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Joe Judge, Matt Rhule, Marshawn Lynch, Bill Polian + Lamar Jackson, Mike McCarthy, Drew Brees

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1:06:30 hr | 7 months ago

Joe Judge, Matt Rhule, Marshawn Lynch, Bill Polian + Lamar Jackson, Mike McCarthy, Drew Brees

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Isn't your twitter facebook or Instagram Graham feet. SF tells you what you need to hear and not what you WANNA hit. So welcome aboard buckle up and enjoyed arrive we start in New York where reportedly the giants have hired Patriot special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach Joe Judge as their next head coach. DOC judge has been with the pages two thousand twelve rain. Their special teams units as two thousand fifteen and ESPN add. Water is reporting that the giants have requested Sup- permission to interview Jason Geared for their offensive coordinator job. All right. Let's get to yeah. We like this higher Joe. Johns New Judge Joe Brown Joe. Johns giants head coach J. J. Hey respected Joe. Judge who I didn't like until I entered his name into Google and went deeper than just. What the Bio was suggest in terms of being a wide receiver special teams coach and I started to put it all together and actually like to hire one this out the box this respect that so it's not just a traditional trick to as a special teams coast you get in front of the entire team office? Coordinator don't defense corners don't and a special teams coach knows that his key to success is to motivate that room. Because that room doesn't WANNA be there no one ever raise their hand after draft as they came presentations. You hate it but you find line. That's the way to your success and for some guys that's their livelihood so when you have a young coach thirty eight who gets in front of the room and has the vote of confidence from the Don himself. Bill Belichick said this guy's Nex after the top layer of WHO and what actually respect admired him for going out the box and higher jobs. I agree which is why I was there with him for for hot few months You know he's a guy that everyone you know. He was well respected. They looked up to him. You know he was a guy that like you said. He was at the head of the Hound for special teams that they You had gone on The only issue that I would have what is that. I probably would've wanted to see somebody with a little bit more experience at head coaching than just US between the helm of that unit. Other than that I don't I don't have too much of an issue with I liked the higher when you look at the history of what's going on and we go to Baltimore who's probably arguably the hottest team in the National Football League right now Guy Guy by the name by John Harbaugh who is the head coach. There was the special teams guy in Philadelphia for Andy. Reid Andy. Reid saw the competency. We saw the innovation what he brought to the table. And I think in a day and age where things may be getting a tad bit stale and then we'll continue on the conversation the coaches ages but in this day and age. You have to have somebody who's innovative can capture the imagination of his players and brings some excitement to the team so regardless regardless of US knowing him or him being a big name prospect. I think it's a solid higher. Yeah I'm a little surprised that I landed there as well because I had the initial reaction idea who the hell when I saw. Patriots coach giants is. It was Josh mcdaniels and then I'm like well hold on. I haven't heard to judge. Joe Joe Judge. I haven't heard anything about him but I did think about Andy Reid when he had John Harbaugh elevated John Harbaugh to DB's coach to enhance his chances of becoming a head coach in NFL. It was a one year. Deal the same thing as bill. Belichick just did for this guy elevating the wide receivers coach to enhance his ability. Become a head coach. That's eighty read signing off on John. Harbaugh this this is bill belichick signing off on Joe Judge. It's it Marceau's I think the point that you make in terms of the special teams James Coach addresses the entire team and then motivates unwilling participants to do what the Patriots special teams did. This year they he carried this team. Everybody and all respect a Peter King who who I respect a lot. But everybody's talking about Oh. I can't believe they didn't interview Josh mcdaniels Jocelyn Gang. Whose unit was a problem for the Patriots? This year Joe Judges June. It was a strength but the Patriots is this year I think in terms of coverage and in terms of blocking punts and just creating field position his unit was a was a asset for the Patriots so and and to me I might Jackson Games has already failed once. He turned down the colts. Why would anybody be in hot pursuit of him so so much so I I really? I don't have a problem with this jolt. Judge drove or respect to that brother. Look at Josh. mcdaniels failed with flying colors as well because a lot of players were were upset with him as their head coach and how he ran that organization Being a motivator a man being a special teams coast he's studying for his PhD education. Go get it Joe so when you get into that room I wanNA talk a little bit more about through because I I was in that room you were in that role yes sure yeah. That was my only way. You're only way right. I was wrong guy. We were in and everyone was. There wasn't a room to make it right just because they said hey look at this bar so here you go your in that room and no one fully wants to be in that room unless they know that's their only way and a special teams coach will walk up to you and say look man. I need one hundred percent every we single play you like. I don't make money off of special teams. No one doesn't asleep. And I remember Mark Coaches to say I need you to go to one hundred percent because I can't even guarantee you'll make a play if you go one hundred but if you don't I will guarantee you won't make a play. That's the mindset. Nestor leadership that comes out of this. You also focusing on the hidden yard you hit on it. They were number one. In terms of average starting field position. Potent opponents starting position. Oh this is a unit. Dad was leading the pack and he had to focus in on those little details to motivate. Those let me add this. Sometimes the biggest heartbeat the strongest heartbeat of a team is a special teams player is slater and New England area. When I came into the League Eric Metcalf and Dion Sanders were the guys who pushed the importance of special teams was so to me? When you're looking at the influence that at these type of coaches have an influence that it can have on the players and what that can represent in the locker room? I think it's I think it's a it has a great opportunity. You too have a ton of success and possibly see what happened in boulder the other thing. I think the giants may be maybe trying to ride this way. Visit Narrative on Bella check assistance instance. That they don't work out. But we've got bill O'Brien right now. Mike Rabl not an assistant right. He's off the branches injury. Having Success Brian Floor. Is I think most people think he did an awesome job in Miami and he beat them and so to me I would never give involved on Bella. Check Assistance I. Wouldn't you WANNA pick from the tree of success. And I know that maybe some of these guys have been riding a a bill belichick's coattails but I just don't know who's been doing it better who's been creating a better culture than the Patriots and I just don't have a problem with organizations that keep picking from that tree. We talk about physical fitness a lot. But there's another side to the game is just as important. 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That's com dot com slash sports forty James Harrison. A Bar Errington back time now for a big story. Let's move to the panthers who reportedly filled their head. Coaching Vacancy Z.. Hiring Baylor coach Matt rule take over Ron Rivera Zo job. NFL Network's Ian rapoport reports. That rule has signed a seven-year deal worth sixty sixty two million dollars. I can go even higher with incentives. The higher raises a lot of questions about what the future may hold for Cam. Newton and that's where question is. Is this a good higher for Cam. Newton no says cameras gone go. Money talks seven sixty coach. Who was never gave me? I mean I'm not this is what are what he's done. So have you done this at this level to get this money. Talks to Cam. Newton and Cam Newton who we heard reportedly was a great asking price for one Cam Newton and his services if you want them. You don't Dangle Cam Newton out there unless you're thinking about trading now you sign a coach who had the seven year the deal think about this in terms of calendar. Do you won't Cam Newton at thirty one in seven year deal and then he retires or falls off around four year four year. Five doc approve it time for a coach and a seven year deal. So he doesn't want to go to free agency or or rookie in the draft around year. Four year five. It doesn't add up so so you don't give a coach this type of runway and save start with some old old playing with runway. He's going to start fresh in new because he knows he has that time. Hi and he's GonNa draft or he's going to try and groom. I agree with you but less clear. Like John. Harb Jon Gruden got ten years and stuck with Derek Carr for these but not the same vehicle. We're talking about their cars younger descartes and same style of play and they have a big move. Move that we'll see if their car joint I don't I don't I don't like it. I don't understand it To be honest with you it's don't make no sense. He's got seven years sixty a million dollars and he's done what at the pro level his his his college. Wha what does. He didn't seven and three at Baylor last year. I think he's forty seven seven and forty-three over his last seven years as a head coach in college. He gets seven-year Dear. So this the black show around. Let's let's let's go to this right here right now. More News Listen Black so Rama Gigi. Okay that's what I'm going through right now Laura let's go back to two thousand three. They implemented something by the Great Dan when he called the Rooney rule. Right now gives minorities a chance to get these positions and in two thousand and one thousand till you had three. Hey coaches at that time and I believe Tony. Dungy of minorities hermit words and Dennis Dennis Green fast for seventeen years years from now. And we're in the same position with three minority coaches and Mike Tomlin. We Got Lynn and Brian. Flores okay what has Rooney did the really rule did but give somebody who is not qualified a seven year. Sixty million dollar deal. That has not done anything anything at this level. If Dan Rooney was alive today he'd be pissed to see what it has done. So now it's just come down to. Let's check the box. We gotTA minority minority to get an interview. We check the box and let's move on. I don't understand this. I don't like this and this dude actually had the nerve what they call the giants and say. Hey y'all wanna mess this the the judge said you know what. Hey we go get crazy but we go get that crazy so this is not a good move for Cam and I don't understand the move at all. I'm biased and and I totally look at what James said some of it I respect. I respect the Rooney rule course I'll disagree a little bit on what you were saying. And and and the reason why I say yes. It's a good it's a good deal into the record you play with Matt ruled by Waiting in your linebacker. So He's smart is for well. Smart Football Player. I have been around at that time Erin Collins and had had a great great experience with him and have been friends with remained friends very close for a lot of years until present day. So he's like a brother to me but this isn't about the Matt Rule The question is do you think that might rule hires good for Cam so we could attack Matt Rule You want but the reality here is that Cam. Newton has to make this work. This is cams less possible opportunity to be considered a legit franchise quarterback so it has to work. Ah Better work for him if we're talking about and here's where I disagree if you're talking about getting to the moment and year four of your coaching coaching contract contract and your career. Because they gave him such a loan deal with such high numbers. I think number one year one is the most the most important year for him and that year one being him setting the tone for what this franchise is GonNa look like what the identity is going to be coming from him and if Cam can can buy into that and support that it really can make it a possible saving grace for his career but I anything he says because he hasn't done anything at this level that makes me want to below the name spotted understand. How many? How many coaches can you name on one hand? You can't even through through your hand up. That came straight from college and went to the. Here's the only problem. Here's the problem with your reasoning. The problem is is like I said not year one. You have an opportunity to build hill the identity of your team as the head coach of that team. This is the pros. So if you come into that room James Harrison and could be possible future hall Tamer at that point all pro they just sixty million dollars depot. So if you come if you come ended up meeting rock can recall when Marty came in. And and Bruce Smith and in d'oro green and those guys did not like Marty Schottenheimer coaching style. But you know what Marty debt he pushed through it he pushed through it and am both those guys. Were not on the team. The following year and and to me it comes down to a coach has to be able to overcome. Come if a player is a vet. That doesn't like it or doesn't think that you're proven a coach is to overcome. If if there's a franchise quarterback that may be too old or maybe to beat up. That coach is being being paid sixty million dollars for what to come in and figure out what they need to do for that team. And I think that's wave causing list James. We're going to get to the Rooney part of this probably the mall. We're GONNA take a beat. Think about today. WanNa talk about whether it's good or bad for Cam. Newton there certainly is a discussion Russian to be had about. What's going on with the Rooney rule but today I'm I came into the conversation thinking this was bad for Cam but the more I think about it I think he got a long term deal and that kind of money and it gives him the freedom to really evaluate Cam and do whatever he wants wants to do? Maybe he wants to come. He's got his mind made up. Let's get rid of Cam but I don't think there's any risk for him to hey let me go a season with Cam Newton and extremely greenlee talented guy at some point his career a former. MVP A guy that has carried a franchise before. Let me take this year and try to figure out what if there's something there and if I have to discard him. He takes years to do that or does he. Come in and say I got seven years. I'M GONNA make team without the guys that were here before for me. I'm going to make this team. I'm going to get rid of anybody that is not going to give give me the credit that I deserve from making this team what it's going to be. I don't think with that kind of leeway and that kind of backing I don't think you discard any asset potential asset. What that's just an ego thing you're talking about? The smart thing to do with the kind of leeway is like hey man Cam Newton was the number one overall pick and win healthy. We've seen signs of him being a very good player. Why not try to see what's there and that's what I think he'll do? And then you can move on from Mexi when you're trying to redefine culture or when you're trying to really look at your Rosser to restore stored you set someone fulfil you when you grab a unproven coach and gave them that much runway because it doesn't create urgency. So now you can say there's a new coach. I have to work for him. But that has a limit what gives you real. Motivation is a coach. Who's sitting there say? I got three or four year contract. Trag that's where I got one two years to make this work when you have a seven year contract. He could go out there and do what you WanNa do to the tune of what John did it his first year forward twelve elven. Everyone's like what is going on and then this year they responded. But we're safer Cam Newton is. He can't just have a Mulligan year. This year is the urgent urgent year for Cam. Newton in terms of what's good for bad when coast comes in. WHO's not saying? How is it really for the coach and I do you understand what you're saying but I still think it's good for the coach as well? The sense of urgency is because Cam has not been able to prove what type of player he is today. Right now that's not fair Ron Right on this moment. Not just to jog. But he's not the problem coach. Your not as motivated as me to get this done immediately. 'cause you becoming a contract you still got to look at it from the coaches perspective. He is coming in unproven he has. There's a sense of urgency to prove him. So what what a seven six hours I go if I need to make you always want to hold for one second though honest to goodness. Do we really believe coaches think that way that needs to be my team. I need to do it. Oh I got time here. There's no urgency for me to virgin. It's the sense of urgency. But I have time. I don't need to do anything drastic because I seven years to build. That actually puts you in a good position to make sound decisions. Wrecked that when you have ta But now we're GONNA clean. You Fit Matt rules not coming in here think Eli. Hey Man. I've made it. I got sixty million in the tank. It doesn't matter what happens here. I'm I'm not saying it doesn't matter what happens but the fact of matter is I do have seven years do you think John Do you think gruden would did what he did over there. If he didn't have ten years thank thank. You have a say in code get prematurely fire. I've seen how sixty that they still gonNA give me talks and they say oh it's tear it. Oh Go away swinger whatever you want to you can let some go by. You can do whatever you want to. His reputation means nothing onto him. I think he's not on par with the average coach and accomplished coaches. No one is walking around here. Sending I got seven years already banked up except Jon Gruden and that's unfair affair for a guy who's GonNa come in and now have to deal with urgent matter. That's unfair so I can't speak to the value him as a coach coach him and if that speaks the value him as a coach. Then why can't he take the right. Well that's a different conversation. Because I that temper for the new owner has overvalued his given a guy from college several years sixty million. That's a mistake and no one else has that I. I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. They gave you drive by him. Being obliged to I would his blinders on rings off. Wow I wouldn't give any coach. Thank seven years okay your players for Belo. There's there's a value there that that ownership group group so there is he's their wife owner fell on me. I got someone the money. WanNa go through the due diligence. Dinner saying he tried to hire called up. We both talking to giants. Have you WanNa mess this walking. Go new you wanted to be in New York are here in new ring. y'All need to stop. You can get that job do reis. I stopped that show. What you with locking Wiley? James Harrison is backward joining us. Now how is Fox Sports College football. Listen superbowl champion Reggie Bush. Let's move to the seahawks. Just escape Philadelphia with a win and now head to Green Bay for Divisional Round L. showdown with the packers after a lot of hype around marshawn Lynch is return. The running back didn't do much against the eagles rushing for just seven yards on six carries including including a short touchdown run even still Pete Carroll says he's excited by what beast mode has done what's and wants to increase winches his role in this week's game against Green Bay. I do we think Pete Carroll's plan more marshawn and we think that's going to work. I think it will work. I think that's the only way you can make this work. I see juice in his legs. For what Marshawn Lynch is in this term of where he is in his career. I know only only seven yards. We saw a couple of kids is six point two yards per carry on you. And I both touchdown touchdown again I'm GONNA take everyone back to defensive meeting room football one. Oh one to triple A.. Alignment assignment action and people. Don't don't understand that principle is basically if you put someone by their alignment it to a defender who was studied up can start to predict assignment limit. And then you just gotTa go out there and act on what you're doing that's hindering. Marshawn Lynch is putting them into gain in alignments and in a limited roles where defense is a t and often they know exactly what's coming you have to open it up because one. You limit their alignment. You'll limit their assignments. Once you limit their assignments you limit their actions as defense right now. They're seeing marshawn lynch come in and they're like only three things is going to happen. It's too simple. So open up the playbook for Marshawn Lynch he certainly has the aptitude to take it in and digest it. Let them go out there and express themselves full action. I think it'll work too. You definitely have to give him more reps. Rather he's getting a bar not getting the ball. He needs to be in there at times where he's not getting the ball and I've been retired and unretired and came back and you know it's a it's a timing thing you have to get back to the muscle memory taking taking hits giving hitting and being able to come back and play the next week or practice. The next day playoffs ally training camp from listen. I'll tell right now I'm trying WanNa tell you it's the it's the worst thing I ever went through. I was literally if it wasn't for the fact that I was a good man. A yes very hard to get this guy shape during the playoffs. You gotta you gotta you gotTa figure out and you gotTA figure out how to work him in to be able to get fifteen or twenty touches through the process rosters retired and coming back in after. You've retired like it's not. It's not the same thing how you want anything out of they call it August. Listen I don't care where what you want to say. It's going to work no question. Are you selling oh you out. Our bet was forty yards in the first game has he reached forty yards and two combined carries again. Don't do that about three Gothi. Happy one yours in two games. Now what what these most. Now what I trust. Pe- Kuroda head coach man. This guy's been ultra successful at every we level I trust him with the run game. especially with beasts mole bringing him back I do for as a running back. I know how important it is to get more touches. It's just so you can get a feel for. The game is very hard to get six carries and to go out there and try to be productive especially if those carries spread out so Pekar was done just about six thousand seven everything right give these moldable had a six Kerry game with seven yards Reggie. I've had I've had six carry which was not now great. I'm more than seven yards. I mean I didn't retire. And then unretired and combat. This ain't gonNA work. They need to be taught. There's a GAL named roster. They're paying thirty five million dollars a year to quarterback that's their south run him. I want to do whatever is necessary. Theory BOP BOP BOP Carson Wig. Whatever it takes the UCLA where he took that one touchdown dry that would have put down a put your thirty thirty five million dollars on the side and often by running? I'm talking about letting him throw. He's the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. He's probably the second or third best quarterback this year They should be leaning leaning into Russell Wilson rather than leaning into some miracle that they hope happens. This some guy that's been sitting around on his ass for eighteen. Months is somehow say only ooh Oh hell he say to say let me just gotTa help him. Yeah as long as you give him the ball on fourth and goal I'm okay shorten fourth and one one fourth of one. But he got us down. Oh look they gotTA got into zone. He's not more thor and it's not just like getting his rhythm ribbon little simple. Yeah we gotta give them touches for rhythm you also gotta get him in different spots different opportunities so that he can and do more for this offense. Russell Wilson threw the ball throwing the ball seven e times in a two games with marshawn Lynch. Okay it's a little uptick there. Here's the thing you're going to get defense in Green Bay twenty-third against a run. You got opportunities right there. You can't just line up in the near set or far said and say marshawn dive. We we get that we know. So you got to do other things Reggie. I love to record in buffalo new. Reggie you had a six yard. Look I I just I. Retire was still sitting at home grids. This whole marshawn Lynch is like a miracle that you are hoping it happens and I just don't think they need to to pray for a miracle. They got Russell Wilson. They should be trying to win. This game offensively through Russell. Wilson de Que medcalf Tyler Lockett Hollister who I k.. Remember his first name but they. That's who the and whoever homer the running back that actually wasn't doesn't retired for eighteen months this hole marshawn lynch deals like a little miracle. It's a little commercial marketing tooted. Everybody's bought into martial. Let's go sprinkled magic dust magic skills all over the field. He's feeling earned banks. A miracle does not going to happen. So he's he's going to have no bearing. No success owes two straight games that that's been the case today when we listen to the game plan that they need to stick to go up to Green Bay to win they have to run the football and run. And do you remember ladder. Season Russell Wilson. Not exactly the best performances. You GotTa talk about that. They need that ballot especially with the injuries to all the stars. Russell Wilson and latter part of the season outside of Carolina game. You could go philly. That's in the playoff. Everything else is low standard Russell Wilson. Only about if you went to Vegas and had to bet on who could have a superstar type game who could have a breakout performance in this okay. Russell Wilson are marshawn Lynch. Everybody's betting on Russell Wilson born morning Rod. So Wilson is paid to carry this team. He's capable of carrying his team. They should let this man go out there and down his sword and run this office through Russell Wilson and look if you homer these other guy but sitting on their banking on marshawn Lynch. This is a joke. Hold on what Sportsman's do I get them paid. He said expanding his role given them more opportunities. Yeah give them more. But that's not banking Russell Wilson Studios. Go Go go here. We go get the ball forty times. He needed carries a Wego win. The man just had six carries for seven yards and we want to expand in his role. Yes scary. For seven yard touchdown that was the pivotal six points that they needed to win the GEICO. Rosalie do more what we need more. Let's give him much is is expecting well carries for thirteen yards. That what you're looking for. Reggie you add that to it was looking at my stats all right. I know lashing Buffalo Reggie Bush Lavar Arrington back time now for darnold question of the day. Are I take it away homeboy. Yes Sir Tamar Jackson who celebrate his twenty third birthday today `Capricorno season and got a pretty nice present being voted first team all pro others. MVP Speak Albert season. But Lamar wasn't a unanimous choice with three people voting Russell Wilson in Coon Hall of fame. GM Bill Polian. Of course. We all remember Polian. Salem Marsha Swisher are receiver even before he got drafted. Wanted to ask you guys. Do you have an issue. The polian not voting for the more. Yeah do and I was someone that defended Polian when he said. Hey I think the guy should switch to wide receiver rod and have a problem with that but Lamar Jackson has been the best player in football football this year. I don't think it's even up for debate And so I don't I don't I don't get it. I do I get it somewhere but I don't like it. I don't get it in any form fascist so I do have an issue with three things to comment on to support while the issue one just voting in general. Oh usually we vote for something for someone to attain something. It's aspirational not. These votes is actually a record where I saw. We're just voting on what we saw. So how can you mess that up. It's not so much all I think you can become is what you actually were. So that's one two. He lapped the field field. Russell Wilson include. He lapped the field to my historical campaign here so once again Bill Polian truly respect. What are you looking at? And the last thing I think I know what he's looking at those implicit biases de we all like where we live. And for you go into anyone's world and just start looking at okay. You know what I like me a pure pocket conventional acid. is He doing no matter. WHAT COMES I? Don't care what color it is. I know what I like. I like a guy like this. And if I can't find that we'll find the closest version Russell Wilson so for everyone who's thinking the race card. He did pick Russell Wilson so the win Rogers someone else so I just think he's stuck in his ways and he's trying to find any version as close to that. It is still playing at exceptional national level. Russell Wilson is Great Lamar next level. Yeah I think I don't have an issue with it. Because he has the right to his opinion he's obviously earned that being someone who votes for them I I I did wonder. was there a racial undertone to why he is not giving Lamar Lamar his properties and again like you mentioned. He did pick Russell Wilson but I also do believe that you're right in saying that that is the lesser of his two evils to choose from who else is he gonNA choose that we have any type of legitimacy to to maybe shield him from the criticisms assumes that are going to be levied his way after making that decision not to make him the all pro selection. So I think it clearly establishes says that he does have a biased against Lamar Jackson. For whatever reason if it's a pocket you're not a pocket passing quarterback. If you're not the quarterback back that I would have wanted you to be if you're a quarter whatever it is. He does have a bias. And I think that that's that's evident but I don't have an issue with him having his own it sounds like he's doubling well down on his hateful Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he hates strong. Were I'm not saying. He's hates Lamar Jackson but he sounds like a hater the more you can't deny what Lamar and did this year. You can't and yes. I think he is stuck in his old traditional ways because he had peyton manning in Indianapolis Bliss Right. That's kind of how he likes his quarterbacks to to look and feel in the pocket but I I don't understand how you deny Lamar Jackson of what he he did this year. But it doesn't bother me because he's still got forty seven other votes and he still was all pro so I I certainly think peyton manning has a lot to do with his buys for your pocket. quarterbacks also think my memories right bill. Polian was a part of building the buffalo bills. Yes Jim Kelly so passer pocket pass and so what I think. Bill Polian represents and there's two other guys that work on a Siriusxm show fed. Russell appears on. And Sodas Sodas Bill Polian Russell. Wilson's very likable guy. I think these two other voters friendly with Russell Wilson but but I just think that there are. There is a group of football people that think what Lamar's doing is not sustainable and that's an bill polian biases all put Peyton manning. Jim Kelly that sustainable but what he has to do is this all pro isn't about whether you can sustain. That's it's about this year and I'm just I had the same. I have a bias against Short quarterbacks quarterbacks I've been saying it for years I grew up with Jeff George. I like a quarterback six foot four six foot three. Those are the ideal height and again. I've said on record a lot of times. Well not the hugest Russell Wilson Fan. Because he's short. But dammit he to me. Russell Wilson was the second best quarterback this year. And if I'd been vote regardless of whether I like it or not because of his height I'm GonNa give him the respect. He was the second best quarterback after. Lamar I just. It bothers me the the bill polian would be but I'm not his age and old people get really really really starts a good point but the old guard mentality. It's old garment Garland is. There's a level of stubbornness that to some degree makes me like question. Your intellect a little bit. I'm just the facts are so overwhelming in Lamar. He led the League lasting touchdowns with six rushing and his team has the best record in football. Yeah what what else can you do you. Funny every one of us have our own set bias fact things you like you know I like catchable Bowl Matacos and you ain't GonNa talk me out of it and some people question my intellect when I sit down with my catch up today but we're Lebron so you know what I gotta get it in but you know it's interesting I think the most fascinating thing about all this and Bill Polian keeps fueling this fire. Is that a black quarterback found the white space face at the quarterback position. Now the white space was who's going to take full advantage of this position. 'CAUSE mathematically you're not taking advantage of it by not involving him in the run game amen those principles and not only did he do that to a plus level. He turned around. It did the quarterback as a conventional pocket passer to a+ level level. So then as you were saying how can bill polian now suggested someone was greater in that role of combined attributes of being being a runner and passer care. Jim Kelly yet no super bowl championships. But amazing favor and pay got his two was amazing. One of the best my favorite player Bush. Still in the moment you have to respect game and Lamar has it all. I think when you take somebody out of their comfort zone of something that has been tried and true for for so long you begin to scare the establishment right so it might not even be again a racially driven driven thing. This is A. I don't understand this and I get my mind wrapped around it my age and I am not going to try it because of the people that have done it that I think so highly of and I think he's resistant to to that change. He he sees a change and he don't want that change. Take Place. Well I think he and some others think this is a Gimmick yes Baltimore has gotten gotten maybe he doesn't maybe it makes a guy like obsolete now I I don't think it's because again I just think the guy when you're in those position you just WanNa win get get into the hall of fame Blah Blah Blah. There's people that just don't believe like you know what the got away with it this you. Yeah he and they put again this. All all profiling isn't about that and what I think is dangerous for Bill Polian again. 'cause I got a lot of respect for Bill Polian. I'm from Indianapolis not a huge fan. But I'm from Maine Eight. Abbas very aware of his work and he certainly a hall of Famer for what he did. But this is just a bad look in terms of your presented a set of facts and you object to those facts in this type of way it feeds people's notion of all man if you've got a bias you won't even react to the facts and that's again as someone who believes in following the facts wherever they lean. That's it's the proper mentality that's what you WanNa have in any leadership position And and you know someone like bill. This bothers me. Did he just won't follow the fat as a microcosm statement for such a big lake discussions follow the fact she next year. I'm just wondering what's what's he going to do next. Is He gonNA fall the facts next year or follow his buys locking Wiley. Joined once again by Lavar Arrington James Harrison Tom for the most serious discussion of the day. All right. Let's go to Dallas sponsored by. Pop looks chicken. Sandwich is the Whitlam always owner Jerry. Jerry Jones onstage rap music career. He'd be silk. The shocker. I remember silk. He's won a masterpiece. Younger brothers and original no limit soldier silks folks most famous song. Oh it a bit Jerry. Jones never his his fault and he can't stop. That explains Mike McCarthy Landing The Cowboys Coaching Job Jerry Jones reflected on reflected on one of the most disappointing seasons in cowboys. History and decide the had absolutely nothing to do with Jerry Jones. Oh it ain't my fault the truth is it is Jerry's fault Jerry's Suharto the cowboys leadership problem. He wants to lead his football team from the owner's box. It can't be done not effectively and replacing Jason Garrett. The cowboys is number. One priority should have been trying to find a head coach. Who is a dynamic leader in the mold of Tom? Landry Jimmy Johnson. Instead Jerry hired a fifty thirty six year old coach who is trying to rebrand himself as an analytics and XS and Os innovator good luck you know what they say about. Oh dogs new tricks. The new McCarthy marketing campaign has been in operation for a month both NBC's Peter King and the NFL's networks Thom tillis Ro have profiled McCarthy's football makeover makeover McCarthy wants to build a fourteen man analytics team. He wants to hire two coaches who work on the future. He's going to use motion and shifts and multiple personnel l.. Groupings McCarthy is equivalent of a sixty year old widow with a facelift a tummy. TUCK and a two thousand dollar Racquel Welch twig and they singles bar. He's a cougar. Auger cowboys needed a sugar. Daddy and established brand with the leverage personality and wisdom to challenge. Jerry's dominance of the team. Urban Meyer was the perfect coach coach for the cowboys. Two months ago on the heard Meyer posted his profile on seeking coaching arrangements dot com he favored at Jerry's profile. That's the One New York Yankees. That's The Dallas cowboys. That's the one great city. Dak Prescott. Got Zeke Elliott. Got Loaded team to me me. That's the one job in professional football. You kinda say I gotTa go do that. Jerry blocked Myers profile and fell in love with McCarthy at first sight according to a report. ESPN's Adam Schefter said the whole thing was wham Bam thank you Ma'am and then McCarthy Stayed The night at Jerry's house on the first night I've never been a billionaire. I'd imagine that that much money for men's delusion works against self reflection it likely makes you look at every problem every failure and conclude it at -ma- fault. The cowboys lack leadership is Jerry's fault. Jerry didn't address. Dallas Dallas is leadership void with the hiring of McCarthy Jerry accentuated waited the problem there's no limit to Jerry's delusion the hiring and McCarthy signals Jerry takes no responsibility for Dallas's failure are Marcellus. Does Mike McCarthy fix the cowboys leadership problem amazing where it was. I mean you went silky shocked. Oh February Microsoft you WanNa come come on man. There are limits so I'm their feet at PD MOM and dad. This is a proven super bowl coats. And you're really not respecting him. What he's going to do for these Dallas cowboys? They got it right. You don't fix the leadership problem. And he's going to fix the exterior reputation gene of the Dallas cowboys being dysfunctional upstairs. I'm GonNa tell you how we ever put with Super Bowl coach. Who Professional on the exterior? Who knows how to deal with management sometimes aggressive management management? That dictates terms like he just left in Green Bay with Ted Thompson. If anyone knows how that dynamic worked it worked like this here's roster do what you WanNa do not a part of this process fully so now he gets that owner who steps past that line rightfully so in many ways as but still is going to dictate terms. He's used to dealing with that now. You have the same guy who's professional exterior run in this locker room league. We need men. Because he's no punk ever met Mike McCarthy one you walk up to him you don't feel like I should challenge them and then after that conversation you realize you you were smart to not want to challenge him. I love this higher for so many reasons. Even Troy Aikman went out. There said it checks all the boxes is just a smart hire based on what he can do upstairs and still keep his call. Remember all the issues in Green Bay every single week every single presser. Would Mike McCarthy say that's just what families do that's just what teams do we're fine. He's going to handle this on the outside and handle this on the you go yes I sure will I sure will and I couldn't disagree anymore than what I could possibly disagree with him. Being able. He cannot fix the leadership problem that exists in Dallas. There is only one man one soul that is up for the task of that job. One man named Jerry. Jerry's Jerry has to take that same influence. What's that has built the culture of of undeniable leadership for him that has undermined mini coaches? That have come before Mike McCarthy and he has to set a tone very quickly and very early that this is the guy That is in charge now from there. Does he have the capabilities to be able to lead this team. The right way I say yes I would have to say. We know because of the things that I've been hearing you're saying he's very professional and all this other stuff. I mean a man that goes and get her massage on Saturday. Walkthrough don't seem like the type of professional national coast and that's what I'm here on the way out. That's a lot of. Let's say at the top. I'm here and then also her that he's not really that Tuck. They say he's a pretend in tough guy so with that being the case. I don't think he can fix that. Sent Guy said about about Jerry. Jones Jerry Jones is so loud and bolsters that that is the voice of them like the players for me. Your leadership comes from your veteran players and Jerry's just so loud in both ways that you don't really have a person that you point to own a team it'd be like. This is the veteran leader of this team. They thought it was Jason. Wit Not thought that Dak Prescott could could transition into that position telling me it's either one of them. No No. I'm not saying he's not. I think James Your point is is right then even let's say somebody stepped stepped up and wanted to be that leader. You can't get over Jerry's voice it if that Prescott wants to be that leader. He can't compete with Jerry. Jerry Jones Jerry controls the purse strings and Jerry's voice rings loudest. Everybody can say whatever they want after the game Jerry's is going to get the headlines in the Dallas Morning News on this show cowherd show undisputed every prefers things for every is always jerry. His voice rings rings louder than everybody's and that undermines everybody else and that's what blows my mind if you listen to me. Talk the past couple of weeks. I kept throwing out. Ah I think Jerry's learned a lesson Vicki's chain and I think he said he goes. It's not my fault there you go. It's as long as he's silk. The shocker in and cats his fault but he got all the money that justifies it. Ain't your fault you can't change them interesting this culture. You're has flipped to a place because Jerry Jones and he's not boisterous. Jerry Jones has a silent strength that he knows is going to resonate so jerry the latter once I can say whatever WANNA say. It's not a coach or player on a team. That's going to go against what I say. No now over with part of Jerry's calculation Nisa would I say doesn't matter because talk is cheap dig about if you're internally motivated. It doesn't matter what's going on around you if your product of your environment in your circumstances then you're not gonNa go far as the numbers the owner is saying one thing and I believe in my heart and soul is something else and they asked me that question my going to go against what it is he say no no. You're not also savvy enough. Know How to avoid answers by still giving the answer that you need that keeps you going and out of that conversation oversaturation. It's not hard. Let's not act like every question we've ever been given is something that we derail. Casey how are you going to go into the locker room and lead these men and tell them exactly what it is. When you know that's GonNa get back up to him because he's up and down anyway but that's not the calculation is not what I'm saying on the outside? That's why Mike McCartney works. He had to deal with turmoil. Internally would air rogers is some of the teammates he had upstairs with Ted talks and he still won. The Super Bowl is still went out there and won fifteen games. Thirteen Games twelve games. My point is this. It's not perfect but if you're externally motivated Jerry. Jones is a problem for you as a player. If you're entirely motivated you're going to do your job. Dak Prescott has it's a sin. It has progressed and matured despite Jerry Jones being fit. If there's fifty three guys in that locker room right I would bet bet. twenty-seven are externally motivated. And you're not going to change their. You'RE NOT GONNA get fifty three guys who are immune to Jerry's bluster. It just isn't going to happen. Jerry needs to cut out the bluster. Look Robert Kraft and the Patriots have laid the blueprint for twenty years on how to build a winning culture. You you don't hear from Robert Kraft you hear from Bill Belichick and Tom Brady what they say about. The Patriots gives the headlines week after the week after week after week the crash not the GM so craft doesn't even have their role Bella check not even a GM technically so if you look at the situation it's not the same aim dynamic. There are a lot of teams that don't say anything as well. But if we don't calculate order teams that are doing it. The right way in terms of perception of culture still don't have the way I ain't on your way into your way out of that further proves the point you can't be the GM make yourself a point yourself with the GM who appointed appointed him the GM did a old hall of fame ownership. He's trying to chase being on the Super Bowl not yet. He's trying to hall of fame with knives being here so all all I know spent it all on. Noah's in years old matter. They matter the credit has gone to Jim. Johnson and everybody knows that narrative is Ken Ken. Jerry Jones without Jimmy. Johnson did his own Matt Jay Johnson Broadway anyways. Here's here's what I'm saying. You're he would not be the solution because you can't be noisy. You can't beat noise with noise. Noise and North Korea would not work but I can't have higher you're urban Meyer. You're saying I'm backing up. You're going to lead his. What if he does? What if he's not wars Hong Chow going org? That's probably why Urban Meyer didn't get this job. Why Mike McCarthy did at yes pangolins he's GonNa let Jerry's horse and you can't that's good no? There is no seventy year old owner. That can leave a football team. Why first of all sample size a seventy year old owners that are? GM's that owner that can lead a football team. Take Age out of basketball team. You brought it up I. I don't see how this is a situation where it's a recipe for Disaster Mike McCarthy in that we keep seeing has not seen by recording. Costa cobblers we've scene Dave Campbell. Bill parcells Jason Blair. Who am I forbidden Gaily okay? Listen I'm not going. This any of those guys is most of them. Don't qualify for this conversation. Will Bill parcells does and Bill parcells. What was the narrative him tomorrow? Win Without Bellichik. How did that go? It didn't go. So here's the thing McCartney won't who do you win it we go. He did that so to start putting some respect. That Mike McCarthy go into Roger I throwing the ball like a madman great. Hey there's a battle enact Mike McCarthy is trying to play with upstairs noise and downstairs leadership I think he's the perfect. I gotta develop that rapport with the team. The way you start this thing off right and give mccarthy a fair opportunity to see if we can do this with his leadership is for Jerry Jones to go to. Everybody and I mean everybody that has to do with football ops and say that this is the this is the wagon where touching our horses is to do not come to me. Do not undermine his authority. If that doesn't happen that we're GONNA be right here. Why does it there you go? He's won sixty three games and a super boehner's only eight coaches active to have super bowl championship and we will fail. We're not this at him. We all have something to say. He's not fixing problems cowboy literature problem. No okay he's not that go look. There's little marketing campaign. It ain't about leadership it's about analytics teams and Oh we're GONNA only work if the players the way we're demand for working on his left hand. He wanted on his left hand. He knew the issues with him in coaching and he worked on respect. What lock in Wylie James Harrison Lavar Arrington her back? Let's move to New Orleans where the saints are looking for answers after another crushing playoff defeat. This time at the hands of Kirk cousins and the Vikings Jubran struggled for much of the game and Jared Bell of USA. Today writes that. The legacy a breeze. And Sean Payton Saints is being redefined by their recent playoff failures which brees has played played a major role in the last three playoffs. The Future Hall of Famer has the most losses interceptions giveaways and sacks taken. All right have the playoff failures altered. Your opinion of drew brees. No not at all 'cause already had a healthy realistic unstick view of looking at drew brees and his success and his career If you WANNA say underachieving I think that's a stretch rich but certainly when you have one of the least statistically greatest players ever and then go conversation for some one one super bowl championship makes you say we should have got more air. Rogers come to that conversation. His will but I already was that that place so when I see this team come up short short in the playoffs year after year especially in recent history it is allies to what already thought like. There's Tom Brady Tier One. And then there's here's tier two would a lot of other great successful talented quarterbacks but to seeing ordered suggest that he's fallen off because of his issues in the playoffs in his team's lack of success that's already written desk already. Been One super bowl for the rest of y'all outside of ally. I been an arrest all brady. I'm saying no a player does not change my my alter. It does not alter or change my opinion in any manner. A player builds his red light. Bill polling you're not gonNA just do information no I'm adjusting to May assaulter. No Change Definitely Alta. I just think that when you get into I know that. Get into the whole end in sight in my focal so I can build what I want my reality to be when it's OUTTA sight outta mind. This man has built his reputation. Play by play. Anybody that's ever played. This game would never sit there. Air and say drew brees opinion is is that of a failure or he can't go on that I think is I don't even think it would be even in the question of having a strong stance that he can't win the big games the ones going. Okay well then it doesn't. It doesn't alter my opinion of them so I uh-huh again. Let's say you went into this season thinking. He was one of the ten greatest quarterback. I still think he's wanted to his quarterback. Joe There you go. Oh No I'm with you I I don't it's Nice not in my opinion of When you look at it the game that they just lost? That's that's on him before that they had a pass interference interference that didn't get caught and before that Is there anything great. Is there anything he could do. To alter your opinion of if he comes back in and doesn't another two more times is it. That can offer me up. I feel like I'm listening to people may ask with seventeen. Say these thousand with your react to new information okay altered my opinion. OJ We're talking. Do it is hard with a murder Jordan European. Ask Your opinion of his whole career. Now me you'd think he's I it say say he say home say opinions no Out Author your gesture no yes the. MTA has six titles MVP five. I that was new information for Mason. Then we should ought to your. I'm on your -nology I'm gonNA give. My opinion of Tom Brady is is a irreversible. It can't be changed because had a bad perform. The man's got six titles he's proven he's elevated to go six titles. That's the only way you won't have enough titles for you. You don't have an operator not so wait. My point is he doesn't have enough title to Wildwood it altered because they come up short. There were people again. I wasn't there were higher than he was is what you're saying I was high and I've lowered him a notch or two. He's he's Dan fouts was here. He's Dan POWs house as a gun to number one a super bowl. What type of records has Dan foul play when he retires to? Yeah yeah got it and do better today. No He's not better than even with the tight end records now he's never been. MVP In this league. That's what I've been trying to tell you. He's never been the best quarterback I hate to sell. I'm taking the guys Grady's tremendous again. He's the Walter Payton of his era. I get it but is not what the people are putting him out to be as better than Marino and Steve Young and represent them that one again watch. The PEYTON represents a lot in terms of class and all the things one of the greatest players of all time but again when it comes to class and the way he represented Lee. Walter Japan drew brees are synonymous to me but not as a player as a performance and as a player drew brees is going down a notch. That's because of these playoff failures. I think that's only fair. Is New information you had to how to begin with all the information you again. What he's exam right? Jimmy's here to Elvis talking about our approval rating from Mike McCarthy Nell L.. You know the day victim today go to the person that said that based off for the latest information drew brees. Wait a minute. Based off the information of your last six months Dayton. Is that what we suggest. Let me there was. LS Talk Mike. McCarthy liberal nation will be introduced as the cowboys head coach. Paul McCarthy claim to fame is coaching Aaron Rodgers. We all know Dak Prescott can use some help from the coaching staff. Now marcellus any chance McCarthy turns back and Aaron Rodgers ooh a-rod there's the the not that but look what is deck Prescott Numbers Debt Prescott Evolution. I don't want to limit the guy because he continues to get better so I will say he's going to this one of the best but no not in Aaron Rodgers that's another level stratosphere not Iraq's no and then I don't know and I don't think I've got better this year stats there but he didn't all right. Jimmy I mean I got some no limit thoughts here. You didn't like myself shocker. Analogy for Jerry Jones. What was the nephew? You got this one here. Chapman screwed up to go ahead and had a hell. You Go ahead Jerry Jones. The silk the shocker. The marvelous who love Saga Right. I know who the Hell I love him to some one one hit wonder he wasn't even the face. The no limit the general manager and owner and Proprietor Auto Dallas Football Cowboy. Anyone complain the body from no limit. KINDA HELL GONNA be masterpiece Supreme ran everything down in the South Bay running everything hang down and data including his mouth giving you got master pre and Jerry Jones is an old g the last the og again you gotta show lack of hip hop culture came Jay Jones. A master P talent. I don't know what. Oh you young talented somebody talent. Would they be more like. Dj Count Attorney these county new a lot of songs off news go out and sign talent and put his name. Moaning sound like Jerry Jones. I'll kiss a wolf says okay. Another they say. Wait a Bass Jerry Jones talking about. You know who started. Do y'all boy. Did He. Say WanNa be a baller JAP caller Jerry Jones to take over. Maybe you WanNa be a Dallas footballer. But I'LL BE DAMNED IF I've give back another dollar Donald J let me tell you look at you. Tell you tell pity. He didn't Nydia Bush. Shou hit just like a new. You Pay Jerry Jones. He Ain't a football coach. Pay You remember what happened to me Johnson when he told Jerry Jerry. You know football coach same thing and it happened to be when he puff Daddy. He wasn't a rapper near. You better put some SPEC on his name. He's an old. Ag Our room. We're P. Diddy beat up the football coach the UCLA. That's where I thought. Oh your they. Don't build them dumbbells. Mike McCarthy had a role player Mike McCarthy at a twenty five and before the best job in sports he was fired from his last today new information Elizabeth Sport Internet and agrees with you. Got An all star the best sport.

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Best Of (Bill Polian + Lamar Jackson, Kawhi Leonard, Julian Edelman, LeBron James, Antonio Brown)

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Best Of (Bill Polian + Lamar Jackson, Kawhi Leonard, Julian Edelman, LeBron James, Antonio Brown)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the Best Segments and discussions skip Shannon let's go poorer and F. L.. GM and hall of Famer. Bill Polian in is backtracking on saying that. Lamar Jackson would be better suited as a wide receiver instead of a quarterback two years ago ahead of the draft volley and said he was using a traditional quarterback standard when assessing Lamar the hall of Famer also said that the ravens have found a way to use them ours dynamic skills and that the bottom bottom line is the fact that he was wrong about the ravens. QB appreciate that honesty shared. What is your reaction to this? I'm glad he admitted it. And the analysis that he used was white guy. Six foot four half six foot five two hundred and thirty two toward report pile that just dropped back and forth because the team that he's built Buffalo. Kim I'm Kelly INDIANAP- wait. Did he say that. Are you saying that is allison. That's his that's his mind right right no no no. That's not what you say. No I would say that. That's the that's the the framework in which he using for quarterback so anything that's outside of that he is like this he can't see outside. Because the Blinder I understand the quarterback needs to be sixty four to have two hundred thirty two hundred forty POW dropback passer. Well Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. Done a great job the skills the skimp every quarterback that played in the NFL desk successful has this system. That's really catered to what they do. Well they're not running. The read option withdrew reason. They break Tyson meal taste meal. S era in an offense. Couldn't the offense that Lamar Jackson. Why would you put him in there? That's not his skill set so to say whether you everybody does that many outfits that utilized his skills skillset. So that's what you that's what you're supposed to do this notion when you hear people say well you have run system especially for a cab. Every every quarterback that's accessible system is cater to the skill set. That's what makes them successful guys are successful when you have a system be it offense or deepest get that caters to the skills sitting here block. Fifty plays a game. We had an office that was catered to what I do really well. Yeah block the bags out a couple of times to block the front side but get down the field shannon can you. Can you be a match up so it was disappointing because this also lazy analysis skill skip skip they make us do ran the single wing in college he won the highest went through over three thousand yards both years his junior year. Skip with actually better than his which You Wonder Osmond. I'm looking at the numbers and that's pretty true. Yeah it's close but it's yeah and so when you look at it and what's not even say. Oh yeah he should transfer to wide receiver. Bill has been around this game long enough skip. There have been two positions and people don't realize uh and I was talking to Steve and he said he didn't know that there have been two positions that they felt black. Men could not plan the NFL the quarterback in the center position because the center position is responsible. All the line calls and the quarterback. Would you got to process information. You've gotta be able to think on your feet and for the longest time. They had a hard time reverend minds around a plaque bank and bank on his feet. If Miami Dolphins of the seventies had Dwight Stevenson eighty eight. He came he thought he was thinks. He's not good. Why came? Eighty Agley came in. He might have came after Marino came in with Marina. Oh Yeah Yeah. But he'll he'd have a short career but you think about skip you go back to fifty six percent the black centers and then all of a sudden they're like oh we can give that responsibility. Then you make line call. They can reroute the Latin in quarterbacks. Yep You know. We've seen guys lose their jobs for saying blacks couldn't process information Asia and couldn't handle couldn't think on their feet so I'm just. I'm just disappointed that bill would the bill polian being around the game. Aim as long as he has knows that he's not hold on the air. Skip being around the game long. He has skip knows that guys in ability come in a lot of shapes packages. Nothing if you just can't say okay will not this it won't work and and the way the NFL. Now skip is different guys when bill when bill was building teams. Get everything twenty-one personnel. You had to receiving tied right into bags. Yeah very bad. Teams Play Twenty one personnel which is to obviously with a tight end in two bags. Everybody's basically Levin personnel skipped. Yeah or they're playing. You know basically basically a four wide receivers. I'm glad at the end of the day to make a long story short. Yeah I'm glad he apologized. I'm glad he admitted he was wrong. Okay can we be clear on one point before I launch. I don't think you're accusing bill. Polian of being racist no. You're just saying he's got this. This arch conservative. Mind says yes that was developed in the sixties and seventies were by. He sees that position as a quote unquote white position. Because does he did draft. He made one great move in his career. He drafted Peyton manning over Ryan lead yes so his position six feet five inches son of archie. Gee Man and happens to be a white guy but we skill when you have success drought the a particular type of if you look at the steelers look how they draft wide receivers they. They have accepted drafted from Antonio Brown to manual seines. Juice used the guys all basically about the same I. Have you know six foot. Five receivers zebra. All of those guys are like five ten James Waddington all of those guys a quick fast but the same high accents drafting Peyton. Manning has excelled building with the Buffalo Bills and Jim Kelly does it will visit the only way I could build a team right so just for the record. This is the path that bill pull into key was born in the Bronx. So he's not from the deep south born in the Bronx he went to Nyu New York University. They didn't even have football. Don't have football at Nyu and he played on the club. Football football team there then. He bounced around in the CFL and the USFL and then he land with the Buffalo Bills in one thousand nine hundred four and he didn't draft. Jim Kill a Kelly or require them but he built around him teams. That went to four straight super bowls. They did lose but he built teams. God He's really good a whole lot of uh-huh picks that he meant yes and then he went to the colts and he did draft Peyton and he built around Pay James K and they won a super bowl. Yes okay so now. What do I know about Bill Polian I got to know him a little bit worked with him at ESPN? And what was my first big clash with bill on the air. It wasn't over a black quarterback who was overall white quarterback named Tim Tebow who also shattered the mold. He was not your conventional conventional six five. Drop back passer. So Bill Polian told me on the early in that twenty eleven season in which Tim finally got his chance to start for your Bronco you you know. Well I do remember what happened there. One in four dead in the water at collared and a quarterback in the new regime featuring John elway in John Fox's coach they said. Let's throw throw Tim Tebow into this dumpster. Fire in. Let's get it over with you. Know the rest of the story right. They win the Division winning a playoff game so early in that year. I had bill Polian on our show on. ESPN and he went so far as to say Tim. tebow is not even a quarterback. He's John Riggins now. This is old school reference that you know. The John Riggins was a running back Holloway running back for the Washington redskins and he was six to two thirty five somewhere in there he he was one hundred. I don't know if they call one hundred meters or one hundred yard dash in Kansas in highschool. Your Day he was the one hundred yard dash and he won the State Championship and he was a Hurdler ridler athlete with speed and I told Bill Number One. Tim Doesn't even brought belong in the same breath with John. Regan's as a runner like like as a runner Tim's more of a tank you know. He's like rollback runner. The little bit of shifting this but but not he. He doesn't have that kind of speed Iran. I think the baseball tryouts. You're the showcase sixty though they don't run the four day I don't think he ran the forty got but he ran. He just runs okay. He's like average speed for a size. Tim's seems like to forty five fifty to fifty. Okay so I said no no no bill. He's shattering the mold. You GotTa let him run his college offense offense and he can win with his college offense because the debris gets into the game the more accurate he gets because he'll just sorta will the ball to receiver late in the game which he continued to game after the game after gay just for the record I was taking them on because he was saying that. A white quarterback should be playing running back. You know he shouldn't even be playing quarterback what about it just for the record right now back to this it did take a big man to stand up and say hey I swung and missed on this one. Yes because if you look like to to your point and again I'LL BE I. I didn't love Lamarche chances coming out and neither did you. But I liked it. I liked where they got him. Because I thought there won't be great about you. Know they didn't take him second overall so the pressure will be less right right somewhere between fifteen to fifty chips with skip saying okay. I wouldn't take him in the top ten. It wouldn't take him in top fifteen but you say somewhere between twenty and twenty five twenty thirty switch so when you look at the the Heisman Eisman year he threw for thirty five hundred yards which is extraordinary. It was thirty touchdowns to nine years sections but he ran for twenty one touchdowns that that's like the big time running back numbers on top of really very good at throwing number. Yes so you could just see the yards pile up into your point. The next year was slightly lightly. Better across the board we remembered except the game against Clemson into Shaw. was't hooked up yeah. They went back. Best game between the Alabama and again Lamar did come up small. At the end of that game he had four chances to try to score down close. Remember but whatever again to Sean is really special the closer of Football Games but the point is Lamar doesn't look that that pretty when he throws it it just gets word supposed to go. He is really accurate and plus plus he can really process fast and he makes the right choices because his college coach Hobby Bob Reno. Who coached big time football in the NFL? Vic Rush Four Thousand Yard Gracie one year badly Bob. Three not coach passing game office. You better believe he can then he Mike Nydia last very long you know what he did not think he might have came to your big got in trouble but whatever but remember. He's really good. He's really good with quarterback quarterbacks so he got the right kind of teaching early and Ozzie newsome left what a parting gift. He he's search is right but what did John say instead of trying to find peyton manning. Let's find a guy and we build it offense around here skip. Don't you think everybody WanNa pay managed. Sure have a guy who throws over seventy thousand yards in five hundred plus touchdown and go to four super bowl to win five. That's what I'm looking for. I ended up finding it. I have a big the problem with Denver replacing Tim Tebow with peyton manning. Nope no come on now seriously. Yeah then what happened. History APP exactly. I'm I'm sure everybody. Everybody wants that. I'm sure coach Belichick walls another Tom Brady but though some guys get only comes along once in a lifetime. Yeah what's what's the likelihood of the code with another guy exactly like Tom Bring or they thought they had one Andrew Luck. Yeah but come home but he was just he was just laziness it doesn't malices and it takes a big man. It took a big high enough. He's lazy he just that's his mindset. Honestly though that's good see you. What did he go? Watch the guy I don't know yeah. Well Lamar proving all of those around right now to watch. 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Due to load management that resulted in a one twenty nine to one twenty four loss according to the NBA League office. The Clippers were compliant with the League's League's policy on resting players because why has been listed on the injury report for dealing with a knee issue so shannon is load management becoming a problem because this is not like something like the NBA more so than any other league as superstar driven leaks. Kim and you have these superstars housing cooperative superstar and he's sitting out he's already missed. A quarter of the season played. Eight Games missed two already. So you twenty percent of the seasons and you see they got thirteen back to back so at the bare minimum. Now this is what J. Intimate 'cause the Internet keeps perpetuity happened to the paperwork paperwork. This is what Kawata said in September out. Quasi is a different is different this last year I was going through with an injury that we're dealing with from the year before steel with lingering. We knew it had to be healthy going throughout the season and making it into the playoffs. This time I'm feeling good feeling way better than the start of last season. They will play out to discuss really. Maybe he heard himself. We're here to report the injury boil the NBA signed off on key issues coming up now what are the NBA say but we got role reversal. Because I've been telling you this is kind of weird a me he did. He tried to pick and choose now. He tried to pick and choose and thought he's going to run up on the sun and do them any kind of way and book. Oh big money book book got him. Pat Bill dropped forty on them. The the deep is the greatest defended. We see Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippen pivoted have a deal. Nobody got forty Scottie. Pippen uh-huh Jordan and the breath smelled dig at third. I think he got got thirty to Jordan and enjoy came back the next day with a back to back skip joined Hong thirty four and a half religious. Let you know we've talked about but anyway skip. Look how do the best play the World Cup. I keep telling you. There are two types of ability that matters sports availability and accountability in the middle of twenty five minutes. It was accountability to not make nobile slow because they all into without you know maybe if you have Paul George in there you got the superstock. Okay but Paul George is out. Yep Paul George another week two weeks away and while he already loves it but I think California Bay. There's normally a grace period. Would you have to put it at least ninety days before you get get. PTO here now. Researchers up thinking what we call the probationary period that you have to put an X. amount before the ninety day you get no. PD Reagan Roseanne Unocal lenient as liberal as we are here I athey. Weakened I'M A Californian Californian Yeah Killa Georgia with gives us this is the problems for the NBA. But what can they do. How can they fix it? Because if the guy says I'm hurt in his medical staff Caesar what are they gonNa do an independent dog and Nicholson independent around. La La in Milwaukee and the Miami and Yada Yada Yada. There's really nothing they can do. But this is a problem because if I put because I remember going Lebron was with the cavs and they. We're playing back to back clippers and Lakers. ooh broad thing clip. Go Watch it. I'm driving to the gay. Skip the broad career areitio. Nobody plan now almost turned around in the middle of the room out. Just go back home and you never go. So it's a problem skipping. You know it mad about if I if I spent about three four grand on them tickets by winning out here they play tonight. You Um those fans skip. There was a lot of outcry yesterday about how this has become a bigger bigger issue than ever but the truth is it's just one guy who was doing exactly the same thing all of last year off radar because nobody really noticed noticed after he left small town San Antonio and I was really the only one outside of Spurs nation nation. But outside 'cause I live in L. A. But I was pounding this desk about what he did the year before to my spurs. He did quit his way out of town because he had a master plan of layover in Toronto or wherever it was going to be to get to staples because this is where he's from. The layover was off radar. Nobody really cared about the Toronto Raptors. WPRO nobody really noticed what he was doing. He set me pounding the table ridiculing you. Look at what he's doing now with her. Okay so we miss twenty two games. That's a lot of games to miss last last year and nobody paid that much attention because nobody really thought. Toronto is going to win the looney. With seventeen and five in those games and you see what's the what's the outcomes doing now now all right okay so it was a really good basketball team but it got great with that guy in the middle of it in what happened when he ran into Janas in the the playoffs. Yep well he finally said let me take him and then they built the wall behind him. And that was the Indiana says we knew and loved him. I get it. I was all fired up for last night. The late GAM out here in La for at least for us up early but it's going to be Kawai versus YON ON ESPN here. We go regular season. NBA Finals okay. Then espn did a piece for the late sportscenter in which it went out into the street and interviewed clippers fans outside staples. What do you think about about quite not playing and obviously they're all just talk this garbage? This is outrageous. Well you you've got him in. These are the terms of getting. Want him anymore. You want him to go the Lakers. You'd probably say we want him anymore. Right no no. You can't do that because you loved it. All those same fans were doing handsprings springs. Cartwheel's right ignite northwick night. They couldn't believe it. They were shocked out of their minds. The clippers have their. They're back. They've arrived right. So here's the problem. I have with all this. The coach in San Antonio has been doing this for years and nobody seems to care. Nobody holds him accountable for and I go back to the fateful night. In November of two thousand twelve in which my spurs had played at Orlando so on a Wednesday night and they were about to play Lebron's and joins team in Miami on TNT on Thursday night. And what a Gregg Popovich do he said he said. Duncan Parker Ginobili home on South West. He just said here's your tickets. Go sit on south. The old himself up in class. Well they don't get it but they stop. You said you. Three and everybody was outraged but nobody held Gregg Popovich accountable. Because that's just all pop and they let him get away with berating and humiliated media members. Sunday's pop he's money. I don't think it's funny. But that's just me and I've never loved a load management but you can't argue with the the result of it because he probably prolonged Tim Duncan's career doing that. He probably prolong Mongoose career doing that because he would pick his spots throughout throughout the year. It would drive me crazy. 'cause I'm all excited about watching. No they're not playing but the thing is I think the thing is that for the most part. That was the first time that we've seen seen pop risk all the guys at one normally one guy. Yeah and maybe Paul George Skip I can. I can understand it. Yeah but there's no there's no PG so so. I'm a skill we do. We do the regular season skip. I could see if it was January. It was February. You know all you got the All Star game. I'm going to let it Michigan right before but I don't even know if you missed the game before the All Star game 'cause they weren't too late so but I did if his leg is march. Okay did take a couple of to always tell me production taller you okay. Is there a high production. Yes did not validate last year load management because he said okay. You can criticize me all you want. But when it's time for me to play against Philli and Milwaukee and Golden State I'll be there wh- what happened to the rule. The rule was instituted wire because they wanted to Lebron James a few days off. Everybody loves their daily. We've got to put a rule here. Lebron Lebron James. The Best Plan People WanNA see in play. Don't you think they deserve to go. James and it put the rule in Knox wild with his hair braided. Okay so reminded minded Jerusalem work at Jersey. My Guy is Michael. Jeffrey Jewelry Anew believed that nine times and Michael's career he played all eighty two games aims. Would you believe another time. He played eighty one games at another time. He played eighty games. So that's eleven years of eighty plus games. They just didn't even think about load managing could Michael have extended his career. Maybe but oh it was often brown did pretty well L.. From you imagine yeah okay instead. Light five cigars to okay. Well let's but he took three years off before we went to Washington another year. The half before that that was my God. Don't do that by skip out on Seattle. Get all of this. Well you know these choice. He did it. They decided to do it. Jimmy my guy for seventeen straight guys played eighty to one time one time in his career Korea. There's been some little old management. Would you tell me about amount of minutes. He's played played. What the third or fourth multimedia all-time little is different than twenty twenty two games? Twenty two games skip bayless. My Guy Would Lebron take off their. You know what I feel. I play okay that what it should do criminal. You don't Lebron's you do all day. I'm low management. I WANNA be with Zuri. Need to wakeup. Is the daddy breathless. I IBM sometimes but I included the net worth about Louis. Day Mind. Well he'll be home that morning. He'll be okay. I got the we come to the game of the Family Lee. Y quiet gets it's to have his own role in the real world if you can produce. They tolerate Lebron. Lebron produce will win Lebron he he could put make these terms. Do we play people. Want to see all play with. The other guy doesn't do this and yet when when it's time to be there WANNA bet he'll be either because right now. He's the best player on the planet. Lebron James It must be move. I don't know the three golden the plea. The truth is Kevin Durant is the best out stop it starts no start. No He's giving has thin skinned. Well he does but he backs it up. I don't know what my guy don't well. We'll see I'm not sure. This is the best strategy for him. What did we miss read in skin? We play back at every. I bet we tweet and back back. During those was twenty eleven finals Maroney fired back and reportedly. He's making a list of I told you so's Yeah I was number one bad game three Kelly everyday you number three okay. So after three games. They're up two games to one and then what happened Shannon skill. I'm going to tell you so you so and maybe you should tell yourself so because does yeah you better go okay. We don't need to rewrite history nor can we nor should we attempt. He lost the finals to the maverick three He. He pleaded not play well at all. I'd say he disappeared. I did he okay. I believe he's made a man's three final win percents ZITS OTHER HE DID I. I don't know he's three and six. It's it's simple though. He's he's playing right. That would mean enjoy watching people what I enjoy. I enjoy Lafley. Always watching show finals getting paid a lot but if it doesn't work than People Julian old man has never been viewed as the best receiver in the League but Jerry Rice thinks he's he's still stands apart from his peers yesterday. Rice settlement has the best foot work in the NFL because of that he said about ohman quote. You're not going to be able to to cover him. You can't do it. He's going to be able to get separation from you and make the catch rice. Also admired elements physical style of play so Shannon is Julian Edelman a hall of Famer. This really puts me in an uncomfortable spot. Because I'm in the pro football hall of fame and when I try my best not to really speak on whether or not the guy's a hall of fame things of that nature because me being in the hall of fame. It almost comes off if I said No. I'm a hater I'm trying to keep Julian Edelman out of the hall of fame and I'm not I lose lose. No sleep. He gets in. He doesn't get in. I take no pleasure but what we do. Is that a debate. And when I don't duck and dodge questions didn't the question is if Julian Hall of Famer and is uncomfortable position that it puts me in. I'm going to answer this honestly. I do not believe that. Jillian elements that Hall of Famer. And I'm just looking at his resume skip. They started having pro bowl selection in nineteen fifty. No player has gone into the hall of fame that has not gone to a single pro bowl after nineteen fifty so from nineteen forty nine back. They started play football in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred. The previous thirty one years. There was no pro bowls guys again again got in without having one. I just like look. It's hard for me to believe that. A Guy that in the pro bowl area era in which players coaches and media fam- excuse me fans select the pro bowl. He having got one as much as he's on television as much as he wins. Not One not one all pro team first or second team. All pro is just hard for me to believe. He's almost in that situation like Robert. Ory Robert Ory has seven rings. Three different teams hit big shots with every team but no all MBA. No All Star game appearances. Here's a guy that has only two seasons. And they passed the era of a thousand yards playing alongside. Tom Brady and for me skip. You look at West Welker now. West did not win the Super Bowl but he had two one hundred yard games endel superbowl a we. Just remember because of the drop because you look at the ball given the caliber player that heels but was working with the five five time pro bowl two time. All pro had five hundred season. He went to three super bowls. He went to another whatever although he lost. All three is over for me skip. I just don't I just don't see. Yeah he has great playoff numbers but that's because he's in the playoffs all the time but at some some point in time skip. The playoffs is kind of like the icing. But I see no cake and so I look at what he's done in the regular season I mean no all roll the media. They watch in he like. I said he's playing all the time and it's like now we go the players when they vote and if you look at the top one hundred. He's hovering around eighty five ninety. You'll load high nineties so for me. Skip as uncomfortable as it is. I do not believe based on my criteria that in which I would use the hall of Famer. I hear everything he said and I do appreciate your objectivity about this but I hear everything you said about doc no regular season accolades but I believe Julian Element is on a hall of fame trajectory. Because he's not finished yet. He's thirty three but he's on a trajectory just because of postseason pro duck. It carries weight that he he is second all-time to Jerry. Rice can catch his in the postseason and he's second all-time to Jerry. Rice in postseason receiving yards. That's highly highly impressive to me. Because he's played eighteen postseason games and Jerry played twenty nine so he's averaged Julian six point point four yards per catch in the playoffs. Jerry averaged five point two yards per game. I'm sorry catches catch per game. Six point four catches inches per game to five point to Jerry Rice so if Julian plays let's say four more years age thirty seven Thomson. He's GonNa play forty forty seven right. Let's say four more years of Julian to thirty seven and by the way he is high contact. Hi thanks a lot a lot of punishment. He's I think he's playing the cracked ribs right now. What they're saying but let's say that over those four years he gets to play? Let's say eight more playoff games to a year on average. GotTa be three. You get the divisional you get the chip. I'm just upset polishes realistic give him a couple years for six games. But let's do eight. Let's do a playoff games will if he keeps averaging six point four catches Jack. He's GonNa Pass Jerry rice and all time catches in the postseason will be pretty special stuff. But he's Jay writes in the polls these well I agree but if you eclipse his record that I thought was pretty much unbreakable of one hundred fifty one catches for two thousand two hundred and forty five yard. There's no way he's going to get to the two thousand two hundred forty five because he's a slot receiver and it's just little catch right underneath option route but think about this you know. uh-huh pro bowls no probe all pro and all decade teams. You mean at some point in time. He's playing narrow. Would Antonio Brown will Julio Jones with with Diop with all these guys when when you put it in there. Nobody's skied up when they say okay. When you said Okay warbirds you won't? We're your number on that list. And that's the voters the voters that's what they look. They go in the room. He's like okay. I remember it. He was just the. MVP of a super bowl those guys'll ask them VP desmond. Howard Brown Jack Jackson Larry Brown layer of the receiver? He was the MVP New England and new going to Seattle the brand. Yeah that's doesn't necessarily. He still did that. Yes you have that on your post-season recess right so to me. Are you sure this isn't sort of reverse bill. Polian thinking where you're just look at him. You say a little white guy. I can't be in the hall of fame as a receiver. No no no. Because they're trying to thank me. Latham AC- large eight. I think eighty nine Ninety Cape but Steve l'argent was a wide receiver. He was split out wide scale. But when when you when you look at it okay in in sixteen games and you look at the body of work and you'd like to one thousand yard receivers to one thousand years eight now. He's on pace to get a thousand so a wide wide receiver. Playing any pass freely era with Tom. Brady only has three one. But I'm just looking at the post. The poster Oh you can't well I'm just saying when push comes to shove who does Brady look for. He looks for that little guy and that guy gets open to Jerry. Rice's point because footwork work is just disagree with that. I think I think I think. AB although he's not an NFL talk about him. A little later I think. Odell I think Amari Cooper Abraham way better footwork. I don't know what he's really quick. Good let's get on a dime I mean look at Wes Welker you. Talking about small guys brandon still bleak. Small Oh God works in world and that's what you mean to me no no. I'm not taking a shot at West here but elements made a tougher stuff than Western. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah He. He built a little more sturdy. And it wasn't until toughness where you can you can trust. He's going to make the big catch at the big moment. So I I gotTa tell you if he passes Jerry Rice for postseason catches who I mean. That's the Robert Ory argument. Okay but Robert Ory made one big shot at the end of the the game. He didn't lead the team in scoring. If he got seven rings and may big shots for the Lakers. They may be up for the Spurs role player in for everyone. Seems he wasn't wasn't the star. But here's what you said is the playoffs okay. He made shots just here and there. This guy makes all kinds. He leads the team in receiving like look what he's doing right now. There are eight and one. He's caught sixty three balls. Who Second on the list for the Patriots? James James White has forty four sixty three eighty four sixty four balls bitchy over one hundred targets. You gotTA factor that in to skip if I'd say about ninety sixty three thank you so he though projection the have one hundred eighty targets. He's really all that Brady has really had the first nine games of the year. I just is gonNA GONNA be. It's GonNa be interesting but looking at the criteria how they do it because they're going to let okay. He's an error with. Julio I mean these guys are eleven thousand yard. And he's with A.. J. Green and diop all these guys and skip if you WANNA put them all on the field for a combine shot. No but when you put them on their where when they've like okay who you rather have element of Julio who'd you rather have L. D. Hop who would you rather have and that by that token and you look at who you played with breath. It's I think it's third and ten in Kansas City and overtime. You say Tom Brady. Would you have Julio or Little Julian which tweet think he'd go. He just might go for what he's going to go with someone that he's no then it's comfortable but it's about how trust right but I also believe what helped me get into the hall. Oh was also going to Baltimore and doing it without my head of my head. Coaching John My quarterback making a pro bowl at a different location because skill when you play the system system. Because everybody's like well you look at all these running back to a lot of running backs that came out the TV will get the thousand getting fifteen hundred yards and so when you play in that system well Janu playing with John Elway. Oh you got DVDs you got guys outside will now all of a sudden I don't have I don't have TV. I don't have those guys outside and I'm able to make the pro bowl. I'm able to leave the team in receiving I'm go to help you get a team to the super bowl so I think those things help and I think a lot of time. Well hurt Patriot. Players is that when they leave they don't have nearly the success. They had in New England. So people like okay. I gotTa take you down and not for that. Because how much is that a you but with him. I don't see him a scenario skit where he plays anywhere other than New England. But if you look at resumes skip. It's just hard with zero pro bowls zero all pros all pro season. And he's not going to be an all day. Okay player is that he get in but he might if he winds up number one in playoff history and catches in the postseason. You're you're finally going to have to sit back and say okay. I give it up skill if you kick if I collect camp for twenty years. I'm GONNA have a damn lot of Jeanie doesn't mean what about what about your catches hands still upset if you play hold on. That's what you did to me Grahn. You said the reason why. Lebron James Pass Michael doernen minutes. I mean the important is because he played more games. Okay that's apples to apples. Okay the Lebron James Guy Fully. MVP's James Duh. Who Come here always tell you Michael? Six and six. Mvp Ron Three in all MBA selection season. Let's do that. You got my got the most points more point so food. He's collected a whole lot of chaos and see the cayennes right. The real you awards. Lebron is off to a hot circus season. As is his team kings. Third triple-double is tied for the most in in the league. So far and he has led the Lakers to a six one record. Lebron is also averaging more than eleven assists per game good for two more per game than any other season in his thirteen year career. How about that? We're joined by Sports senior NBA insider as they were making already your goal. Okay come on Chris I want to get your thoughts. What shot give Lebron to win? MVP This let me say before. Before I start a My condolences to my childhood friend. Nate rix he lost his daughter Down in Fresno last week so I WANNA say the rich family. I love you support. You let me know if you needed Thank you in that. So what do I give Lebron James. Look I'll give him a legitimate shot. I picked Anthony Davis PRESEASON TO BE MY MVP base. Janet is based off of. You know the fact that they say they're going to him. Yeah he's going to be the guy we go to office the way. Lebron James has been taken over and just seem I'M NOT GONNA say turn back the hands of but it seemed like the narrative that people want to say because people felt like he was wash. Russia was FG blow. Well look I'm going to say this. If Lebron continues this trend this can be an unprecedented situation to where I think the Laker is going to be up there. I think they're going to have one of the highest standings in the league. I think they'll there's RECKITT. It will be better than the clippers. I don't know that they will be better than the clippers. I think it'll be better just based off of the lower management with the clippers. So if the Lakers have the top or the second best record Agassi a situation to where we can have the top two in pecan. It's coming from the same team. ooh would that not be a problem for one or the other. I don't see this on a cost. Commotion visited Do Internal Strife Votes against the vote. That's right there I'm not. I'm not a mathematics major. So you know you saw my flaws right there but they go get a Lebron the way to go man every day really. Yeah you may not. Every the bras stay healthy. He asked to stay healthy if he stays healthy. And then also the razor Rondo dynamic when he comes back. How was that going to play a fat? 'cause he's he's loving that point guard position he he loves loves spilling need. So how was that done. And I'm going to play out with not just him but eighty s oil and also when coolidge he'll be healthier and he can play his normal minutes. Does he go back into the starting lineup. And then in out of that affect Kuzma never met a shot. He didn't like you all Bingo senior junior racing mon neider. I'll go through your NFL player. We do what we don't know about. I think they D- tale to be the MVP. Because Lebron says we're GONNA go through if we're not gonNA play through a D.. Why did we get here so I assume and I said I think you've redone told us I'm surprised that rebound totals are considering Ad Dwight Howard to build the team? But I told you I believe this will be the first year he averages double digits assist. I thought his his scoring would be somewhere between twenty three and twenty five Shaw points a game. Because we're going to get the lion's share probably the first time Back back because since I think it was second your back with a recap related in shots taken had a higher usage rate. That doesn't happen very often. But if you're gonNA play through a D- he's GonNa get filed a lot so the ball's GonNa be in his hands. A lot skipped so. I felt that Lebron scoring average in his rebound total would come down some and so that's what I was going to average somewhere. Where between Twenty Six and twenty eight points somewhere between twelve and fourteen rebounds improbably have this customary to block the game and they were GonNa Win Fifty six game? Might we demand that total. I might need to pull assange Linda real man my you know what my projection. What might have to offer the minutes? Michael Fifty nine. I baby senior body would do that but you keep picking up in talking about Old Bra Win Games with blue one. I'll go by cases that we'd be seventeen or three hundred twenty. I remember he get nervous. Five Live case. No one to take your by for sure and a have right now but but this would be validation. Because the people thought he was done they didn't they didn't see days like he didn't have the same impact is give if he were to win. Karl Malone when the MVP and your fourteen playoff for four years college slightly older but to win the MVP you're seventeen would be unprecedented something we had never seen we. We know what we do. We do things that's never been done before. We never you and I want to soil in the five horsemen. Is Lebron math rich. Randy encinas yourself. We've yeah so this would be unprecedented. And I think it's only justifiable because the biggest thing. Sometimes you do you turn the page. Do you close the book. Well who am I got Wendy's Wrigley than MVP here. This is N. B. is over. Go James Barth wrote to level overpass and Michael Jordan on Komo Komo hold a first of all we already. We try to keep more interstate. We already passed we shop paying him. We came back thirty three thirty three win team. We call them competence used. Ah You know I am six. I'm getting a great kick out of this premature. Delusional loading and celebration over there and it is so dangerous and you're going to eat so much fried Kroger's with listen if Lebron James does win the regular season. MVP This sure you will get the goat mask tattoo on your face. You just wear it all through on goal Jane. Electing the Mike Tyson do go on your face. No right right or static and I've already said I vowed that if Lebron wins the regular season. MVP this year and year. Seventeen I will stand in the middle table and gave him a standing ovation whilst yet we did you know that would be yeah. That'd be that'd be awesome. I already said why do I what do you do you wear Jersey. If he goes no no Boakye skip if he does win. Mvp what does that place up on. Mount Rushmore second. Third the second and third right now. No He's not. He's not the same faces all the way across Mount Rushmore. It's the same guy he was bought. Let's let's get to Lebron's delusion because he's already crowing about look at me now. Hashtag washed King and he's gloating and his skins getting a little thing because he's firing firing back at a heckler in Chicago. Let's look at the case that he is making for him. In his comeback season for the ages he is right now shooting a career. Low Low twenty nine percent from three point range and neither of you brought that up twenty nine percent you like that. I don't he's he's way up to seventy eight percent from the free throw line which is a really good start for him but you know and I know that will not let me several case. Now seventy five yes right. Yes it's not going to be eighty percent percents. So He's twenty six eight and eleven and the eleven's pretty good right now because you got a lot of options for your eleven every because you got a d.. And listen you guys are right kyle. KUZMA is coming back. It's going to be a problem for Lebron because Kaku is going to become the closer for this team that it does not have. Oh ooh that's a that's a problem so we look at. PA are which is a great indicator of DP and right now Lebron ranked seventh. which is it's not bad? He's off to really nice. START BUT JANAS SAYS I is second so those are big problems for Lebron got up lake water the the blaze he really play Lebron his play and when he plays which is all the time. So let's take a quick look at some of Lebron's low. Oh lights allies. Let's look at that playoff game. One game one is stable. You were there nine of night games Geico so what happened in the quarter that game. It's a tie game going to the fourth quarter in Lebron's house twice houses Lebron sails. And what did he do in the fourth quarter. Lebron shoots one for four. He misses his loan three. He doesn't get to the free throw. Line and scores. toots two points. That's the guy you picked to be. MVP and you picked ad. He scores no points in the fourth quarter. He gets blanked in the fourth shutout. Get skunked in the fourth quarter. That's you're you're in the fourth quarter of a winnable game against Leonard Kenny. Smith's after the game we don't have to see it again but he made the point. That Kawai made Lebron James. James Look not athletic. That doesn't make it scripture because Kennedy Smith said that okay but I really respect Kenny Smith. The White House. He's saying I think he'll be there all said and done okay so then at Dallas one big game for the last six seconds of the game six in which the team the Lakers are down three and somehow either Lebron signs off on not taking the last shot or he chooses with the ball in his hand not to take the last shot if we could see that last. Play again else avery who kicks it. The Lebron Shoe it drives the mall and kicks into Danny Green for the last shot. Unfortunately for Lebron he made it. Danny Green Way Allen from the rail corner and made it at the Buzzer. And I'm saying in real time. Shoot Lebron driving to the basket ask it down three. So what are you GonNa do would you about today degree and he did he was either you ask I turner and said why didn't he shoot basketball. I said thank you thank you this is the MVP. You're talking about. Skip yes I said it by after. I'll wait another second and I said Oh this one this one above my head there was so play the song this Salou accepted it was designed in the huddle so the king the quarter a Hashtag rush king he signs off in the huddle on Danny Green taken last shot. Not Lebron James. And you're talking about Mount Rushmore. Jordan would have said in that situation and somebody else is going to take a three point shot. No He's GonNa take no sorry. Well what about what about the final of when John Paxton took double. Steve has will little jump shots. which do they come to me? I'm going to dump it to you. Was that to tie the game. That was to win the game. But I'm trying to figure out skip. I'm trying to figure out you mean to tell me a regular. The season game in October is more important than NBA finals game enjoyed. Take the shot wait. It's a comeback season for the ages and Lebron James. Just pull up and take. Tony is still a very good skill. Why didn't because he's twenty nine percent from three he's he's Jewish shot in the twenties and during his nobody even tried to shoot you? Try to hold on four legs aiming to sit with. Lebron drove the ball kicked Danny Green. You remember the Great Clint Eastwood Line and Magnum Force Man's got reclaim. It tastes new his limited. That was a dirty Harry New Guy Magnum force and he just said Lebron said I know my limitations. This is not my shot out here. I'm GONNA drive it and kick it. Wow I got another move. You remember that movie Bradley Bradley Cooper when he talked about peel limitless limitless. Lebron say the way just quickly finish this up. Then at San Antonio Lebron goes over six from three and five of ten from the free throw so long but they came back because Dwight Howard took over the game. That's why I like the new Dwight's I don't even know please. He's how what about what about Chicago. Thank you for bringing that up. Because Lebron sat on the bench down thirteen at the end of the fourth quarter and watch Kyle Kuzma lead lead the second unit on a fourteen. Nothing Ron and they go from down thirteen to up one with the injury on all the only one that's not allowed to have I'd just watch wildland management who got to come off the bench. Thirty four We just real quick in the second quarter that Chicago Games. They were falling into a deep hole. Can you see the to Wash I. I got to see this DP right here. Shot a early over the rim. Come on Lebron. You're better than that near seventeen. And then we got to see the other play where he tacks to the basket from the left side. Here we go again left side Lebron up and he airballs ball's a layup slightly a greatest driver. The basketball I've ever seen we've seen is. What are you doing? See Michael Michael Jordan is dunk here. Cammie Smith echoing in my psyche. Made him look not. So what is so when he took them all four four feet I remember he took the ball up in Dallas slush. Now require awesome. Did you see for seeing quiet. Yeah I've seen a whole lot. The Statue of Liberty. That's yeah we all. Yeah what about what about what about Chicago the other night when he come down the lane. who where do you like it or not talk to Lebron James is going to go down as arguably arguably the best player to ever will destroy? AWW I'm Jordan. I grew up watching Jordan to me. Nobody can take Jordan. But you've got youngsters nowadays. You got some. You've got players in the League right now. Who feel like Kobe? Bryant is the best player to ever play because that's what they grew up watching anybody who knows what happened in Chicago in Nineteen Ninety eight and before that knows it's over. He ended all discussion and it was six six miles. I have to because you've got you've got to beat the take at least once in the playoffs and get some credibility to beat them that what he's saying I've made himself. There's one relevant at that time were eighty didn't even so you don't get a team to go don't not. Gop Lebron Lino Team He. You did go to Miami. It is interesting Shan everyone who they look pretty. That's fine with me. I would like to stay in the middle of the table. We got loftier goals. We got through expectation disqualifying Tinari hers. Go on and let them know that you're part of the new balance. We do have some breaking news with Antonio Brown according to reports Brown is scheduled to meet with the NFL sometime next week. There are DR reportedly teams still interested in signing the free agent wide receiver pending the League's investigations so Shannon. How do you see this playing out? How far would play out all alone? Skip there was no secret the NFL mental abundantly clear. When they sent that letter out you can sign him but he's going on the commission's list? Yeah and nothing's going down until delete talks to US Antonio Brown and he can do it on his way. I AIN'T NOBODY GONNA call this. I mean it's a funny when the phone doesn't ring skip. There's nothing thing that will make you more motivated Jenny than a hungry barely a roof over your he. Wa- you talking about getting motivated Roy. Chubby brought up going the whole grid up at the stars of them landing in my bathroom. That Tin Roof Barr with more motivated there and then Tonio Brown. That became very Eric Crystal Clear. You're not playing until you go to four hundred Park Avenue. Yeah and when you sit down and talk to them and address what transpired then we could. We could talk about what what what were you go from here but it was never going to happen until he went and talked to somebody in. The Commissioner's Office being the Commissioner or day. Hey Brooke or whomever who is in charge of that platform. Maybe it's the DB skip played with the eagles. Yeah ooh he number two guy for for what he played for. The Eagles are the discipline. Oh visit Troy Troy Bisson. Maybe you have to talk to him. He was going to have to talk to someone in in the League office to get the ball moving. I just wish he would have wised up. Sooner could the moment they released me. I'm on guess what they released. We all know when they released east of kept. Maybe it was a Friday but guess what do the League office look. We Tell You my side of the story you do what you made you believe it or not but let me tell you my side out of the story. Because he's sitting at home. He led five six weeks and we need to pass by. What because you thought you control the the Narrative Arctic that was never going to happen? But I'm glad he wised up. Hopefully he's learned his lesson. The NFL will never revolve around a player. The League is to be equal one player to control it. He's wising up and I'm happy he'd come to some sense some sense. My first reaction was yours. What took so long wouldn't took him so long to come around? Swallow a good bit of his prime and say I have to. This is only step one yes in getting back into the and getting paid so again. Just remind everyone. There's a civil suit pending in which he is accused of of sexual assault and rape in that accuser. I'm pretty sure has already interviewed with the Lebron interviewed by the League. Yes so now. The League is saying saying well. We have to go to step two here. What does Antonio have to say for himself and then the other user we got the whole other situation going but but but again this was the first one in the you know the the more this is the one that started it so the point is that even when he goes and interviews I think then then they would sign off to the point? You could make futures sort of bet on Antonio your teen. It's interested and you could pay him because he's probably GonNa go if you do pay 'em he's going to go straight on. The commissioner's rest. So he's going to be on ice until this. This gets resolved and when it does get resolved. Do you believe gives resolve this year. No I do not and who knows how. It's going to get resolved in a quarter law law but when it does get resolved by the League. I'm pretty sure Antonio's going to have to sit out game right there. The thanksgiving I shouldn't say accuser. There the lady that said there was some he. He made her feel uncomfortable and then he sent out the information about our kids Yada Yada Yada. So he's going to have to offer an explanation for that also okay so in the end he's going to get suspended and will somebody pay him just to keep him under their umbrella. We the when he's finally eligible apply. Maybe maybe he's obvious bashing minimum plus incentives. Is it. So you're going to stand for that y'all got where you were. He thought he because he could sit down and do it. His way and T- he's going to go out with a team nobody in. It's a long list of other things pending against him. All the other conduct unbecoming Gothic skipped uh-huh Seattle talked about it. Antonio Brown is better than Josh Gordon. Way Better and we don't know if Josh Gordon's is one hundred percent healthy or he's still a couple of weeks away but they said No because what we find you you go straight to commissioners list. What have we accomplished kip? We've still can use you now. You get not money you eat enough I table were doing the work. And you're taking up our cap space. Yes for nothing. Ah for maybe a good while. I mean it's possible. He could be suspended for a year. Maybe it's possible right. It's possible I I'm I'm just glad skip that. He realized that he needed to go. Talk to these two. Commissioner is Park Avenue to get the ball rolling to start the process and whatever the punishment may be it may not be any punishment they may be believed what he said to be credible but and I'm not saying if it happened or didn't that's not what I'm here for but I'm saying he needed to go talk to these people to get this process. Started if he wanted to get back into league. What the hell took you so long amy at at some point in time Bro? Come

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Of course, he's an NFL analyst extraordinaire for ESPN the one and only Bill Polian is on the line with yours, truly what's going on Bill? Good afternoon. How are you sir? How's everything? Fine. Steven, great. To hear your voice. Good toy, always good to talk to you. Let's get right to it. You former team Indianapolis Colts lost the game on Thursday night football to Tom Brady in India and New England, Patriots last night. Thirty eight to twenty four. You know, Andrew lucked cannot be Tom Brady. He's lost every time against Tom Brady that he has faced them, but there was some unacceptable drops according to coach Frank. Right. What were your thoughts about the Indianapolis Colts first things first? Well. They probably should have won the game on how well they played. They're playing with the practice squad rec- or us because of injury. And the fact that the the roster was depleted anyway. When Chris Ballard became general manager two years ago, the cupboard was bear the group that succeeded said, taking a championship team and run it into the ground, and there was nothing left. So this is this is a rebuilt. Frank won't say it and chriswell and say, but I will. It's rebuilt having said that they were magnificently coached, Andrew is back and better than ever probably should have won the game, had they caught the ball and not had the inexcusable turnovers, give the pats credit for taking advantage of that as they always do. If you give them gifts, they cash them in and they don't go to WalMart. They go to Neiman Marcus. So that's what occurred. Now, the good news for the for the. Colts is that on defense, they got some players Leonard, who's the rookie of the week the month. Excuse me. The NFL was not there because of injury. Divall sheer played well, Marcus hunters playing better than I've ever seen in plain his career to Nico Autry, went out early with a with an injury, but he's a pretty good front. Guy. Me cooker is is going to be an excellent safety and and gathers who went out with a concussion. Relatively early in the game is a good specialist on defense. So they got something to build on the Bill with on defense on offense, coverage pretty bare. They need a running back. They need to wide receivers. They need an offensive tackle if they can get those guys and and I'm not saying Marvin Harrison, you're not gonna find him every day. That's right. If you can get to Reggie Wayne's and an edgier James. Now, all of this. There are a formidable team. Bill telephone as read. I've seen I'm talking about Ryan grantchester, Raj, Zach, PASCAL, and rookie running back in the ones that not hime Hines and titan Eric Hebron. Every one of them dropped a pass. Last five, five different people dropping passes. I don't think I've ever seen it on an NFL team, not five different guys drop it passes the Bill Polian. The reason you saw it is because they're not around long on fell teams. Once. Your ticket? No question right here with Steven on ESPN radio and ESPN news. What are your thoughts about the New England Patriots? Now that Julian Edelman is back, I just did that makes them different team. Not to mention the fact that this kid Sony Michelle has been running a football affectively averaging better than five years carry. You give Bill Belichick somebody to run the football for him and reliable pass catcher like Joe man, I think in the New England, Patriots, it. Everybody expects you to be your thoughts about that. Well, pensively I agree changes everything because he now takes the double coverage off gronk and and he can do things after the catch, which really adds to the production and allows Brady to throw does check downs when people play deep. The Sony Michelle is a is a good addition. If if Leonard had been there last night, he would not have had those big breakout runs on the outside zone. That said, he's a good player and he's gonna have. He's gonna have a lot of success. So offensively I think they're probably about as good as they were last year assuming that adamant and gronk can stay healthy on the defensive side of the ball, totally different story. The coverage of practice squad receivers on the colts was unacceptable guys running open left and right titans open left, and right and Andrew, of course, back and better than ever delivering laser strike sued them so that that's by built ballot check standards. Absolutely unacceptable. But the the good news is that Bill will coach them up and they'll be better, but the lack of time. Silence in that in that in the back end is pretty clear before before I'm from the subject of the New England, Indianapolis, you keep talking about Andrew luck back better than ever just a couple of weeks ago we saw Jacoby. Kobe set, throw a hail Mary. Okay. And you have people questioned whether or not Andrew Lux on issues and shoulder issues had been completely resolved. And I do the ball home or sixty times last night for crying out loud so that clearly and last week he threw the ball damn near as much as well. So that doesn't appear to be an issue, but I wanted to know what you were making of it and based on what you're seeing, is there any reason to question the health of Andrew luck moving forward? None whatsoever. I was in the locker room after the opening game against Cincinnati, talked with them listening to his conversation with Chris Ballard. He was upset that they didn't win it was they had a chance to win at the end, but for fumble. But he was ecstatic about how he came out of the game and how he felt he's built on that ever since. There was a broadcast the game in Philadelphia where the hell Mary took place. It had to be like almost a seventy yard pass. The ball was slippery and wet. Clearly you're not going to risk him in that kind of situation. He threw the ball fine that day and he's thrown owner sixty passes the last two weeks and this week on a short week which by the way we've talked about this a lot that's criminal, but it's here to stay bottom line. There's nothing wrong with it. They'll it right here was Steven a. ESPN radio ESPN is by the way, brought up Andrew. Look through fifty. Three passes the first game against this natty sixty two last week against Houston. Fifty nine passes last night. So if these guys showed the issues, I don't know how you can do that too. Let's let's leave it at that. I got a transition because I got to talk about the New York Giants Bill Polian. I really, really am interested in knowing what you see. So many people are pointing the finger at ally manning, they're saying, he's lost it. It's over. He just doesn't have it anymore. On the other hand, you're looking at that offensive line. It's no protection whatsoever. I think it's a strong combination of both. I think the offense of lines absence of the absent, the ability to protect them the way that they should has him looking around for, you know, for posing on Russia's as opposed to looking down, feel to connect with receivers. And I think it's, it's obviously hampered both him any offensive line. Your thoughts about Eli manning what you're seeing this far? I broadcast the game last week for ESPN radio and giant stadium, and therefore. Looked at all of the pills of the games. They've played up to that point. Then saw the game live number one, offensive line, very, very difficult protection problems against by the way last week, quite a good rush front from New Orleans. People don't know that they've improved greatly there. The protection is a problem. Then Eline knows that he's getting rid of the ball. I got this from stats and information yesterday because I I was interested in knowing it just for you know, informational purposes. He's getting the ball out in two point, five seconds. That's the second fastest in the league. Why? 'cause he has no confidence that they can protect them when you gotta get out that quickly, you can't throw it the. So the idea of throw it deep to old Dell depends entirely on protection. They don't have it. Did he miss two throws last week? Yes, he did. He missed too. Wide open, throws to one one was to obey. Jake can't recall who the other one was to, but. Report of x. going to do that. They're not going to be, and he didn't have his tight end less week which would have helped greatly because that allows them to get the ball out and have a reliable receiver. Ally is about what we li- always has been. And the problem is that fans don't recognize, let's use Mahomes who's the other end of the spectrum just coming into league as an example. Pans, don't realize that not every quarterback can extend plays eve, I cannot. And when you're in the pocket, you must have protection. If you don't have protection, you can't throw the ball down the field. How do you change that? You get it out quickly which he's doing. The coaches have been that. And then the other way to do that is go too heavy sets and run the ball with the best running back this side of the guy in Dallas in saquon Barkley. That's how you do it. This is not on ally. It's on the lack of. Protection and this nonsense of they didn't show any hard and they don't have any desire. Oh, Dell's frustrated. I understand that play wide receiver. Odell let Shurmur worry about the team site. We're talking about the guy manning this has a career completed sixty percent of this past this year. He's completing seventy four percent of his passes and there's only throwing one interception four game. So I get where you're coming from on on that level is speaking of Odell Beckham, Julia, and what he had to say. I imagine you have a problem with it based on what you just said. Here was my issue at Odell though. He didn't point anything in terms of specific names. He didn't personalise. He talked about the team and how they're not winning football games. Is that a frustration? That's understandable, or is this still unacceptable almost as unacceptable as him naming names? No, it's understandable. I get it. Okay. And and if I were, if I were Dave Gettleman and I'm sure they do a better job than I, but he's probably talked to him about it say, hey. You know, it's not about heart. It's not about desire. It's not about us. It's about execution and we're not getting the execution. We need up front. That's the bottom line. You don't think we wanna get you the ball. We've freak you. We're not crazy, and we understand you frustrated. Don't worry about it. We'll do everything. We can't get it to you. The idea that that that they're not trying hard or they don't have enough enough energy or or want to cetera that that's that's not true, but I understand bells for he has a right to be frustrated now, then inspect him, like you said is Patrick Mahomes the Kansas City Chiefs are rolling. They're going up against the top rate of defense and the Jacksonville Jaguars this week in Jalen Ramsey against tyreek hill. We've heard them bantering back and forth. I'd like to know what you make of this matchup more importantly, I really, really want to know what do you think of what you see from Patrick Mahomes? Does he deserve all the hype that he has been receiving. Well, I normally don't get into hype 'cause you know, I know that. But in this case he's the real deal. There's no question about that. He's got the arm strength of Dan Marino, the quickness of release of Marino and far he's got the extension ability of Aaron Rodgers. He's got escape ability and strength to get outta tackles. You talk about not falling on a quarterback. You've got a tackle this guy run right away from you. He ran out of about five tackles the other night and he's got the fields vision presence, and sort of a improvisational skills of far. So that's that's pretty high cotton. And I'm, I'm a believer he now, and here's something for fans really to think about now, but please remember it when we get the draft time next year and we're creating the next messiah who's coming out in the dry. What did Mahomes due for a year. He's sat and learned from the all time quarterback whisper Andy Reid. And now look what you've got. There is no substitute for learning professional football without the pressure of having to go out there and play and win an answer to the media every week and do all the things that we've that we've that we've, he bundy's rookie quarterback's. There is no substitute for staying in the laboratory and learning under professor read, and now he's coming on and created this, this unstoppable monster from incredible, incredible talent. Well, how does Chicago biz field? They moved up in the draft to grab a quarterback. They chose to Bisky out of North Carolina with the number two overall pick Patrick Mahomes is the second quarterback nab pick tenth overall by Andy Reid in Kansas City. Chiefs, how should you be feeling the Chicago Bears and you pass up on this guy? I'm asking about the difference between Mahomes and Trubisky to be clear. I was I was talking to the guy the other day and said, hey, I looked at all Mahomes stolen film and and and I missed it too. I missed it. I saw a wild and crazy throws. I saw incredible arm strength. I saw great released, but I didn't see it finished product. And, and in this gentleman said to me, there are a lot of people like us if the differences, Andy Reid, first of all, Andy saw what he had to work with. He told me that last year about before a third of the season was over and then he worked with them and develop them this, this is what great coaching can do. And so you take a guy with incredible talent and your coach him up and and you make them into a a a real weapon. Now he's going to have some some ups and downs. He had some ups and downs in that fall came Denver price. Shoulda wanted actually case keenum it's it's too wide receiver in Mary. Mary in stride, but bottom line, if Trubisky had the opportunity to sit for year, he would have been a heck of a lot better. He's got Nagy to work with him. I think he'll improve willy willy beat the same guys. Patrick Mahomes I don't think God made to those in one year, but we'll see, but he's gonna get better Bill right here with Steven. A. on ESPN radio ESPN news real quick Bill before I let you get on outta here, put in the work. I've put in a few words what the hell is going on in Pittsburgh. I mean, the offense doesn't appear to be on the same page. Got a quarterback mitigates much to secondary is a problem yet. Again, they're about to go against Atlanta, at least Atlanta has the excuse of a plethora of injuries decimating them on the defensive side of the ball. But with the Pittsburgh Steelers, I, you know, to me, this is on the line. They don't win this game against it. Lanta this week in this season is over what the hell has been going on with Pittsburgh real quick. No lady bell on offense, although they're still doing pretty well. They're scoring enough to win. The defense keeps getting worse by the minute. It's it was bad. Last year was bad in Foxborough the previous year, it was abysmal against Jacksonville last year now granted, no Shays ear and he's not been replaced, and that's, that's you lose a cog like that. It's very difficult to replace him. But the the answer is defense. The polling. Always appreciate you buddy. Thank you so much. What you enjoy this week in the football week? Five of the National Football League season, which gained by the way, are you looking forward to most more than any other game this weekend? Yes, Denver at the jets, I'm looking forward to that. Okay. I'm going to be glued to the television screen tonight. Watching the Boston Red Sox play the Bronx bombers who you picking. Yankees. Okay. I was I was checking Bill Polian. I was worried I was very nervous. You know how much I value your opinion. If you pick the Red Sox, I was going to be sick. I was going to be sick. I got my, I got my key add on man. I'm rooting I just wanted to make sure. Thanks a lot buddy. 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The smooth gigolo. That's the name of a guy called Valentino. I'm telling you right now. Well, go ahead buddy. You'll might a racing the day when I take was on point is is must-see TV, man. I just had to kind of tell you he did a good job today. Marry the do. Thank you. Must you all over again that Murthy TV Valentino. I must tell you, I must tell you, I joined it, but I do not want Molly carems job. Let her keep that job. Now, if you wanna give me a sports center, you wanna give me the Stephen, a Smith show like like an Ellen Degeneres or Stephen. Kobe somebody I'm down with that, but me hosted. I take you probably won't see that again. First of all. I mean, I liked it, but I didn't love it because I know I'm not as great as Molly is. And Secondly, I got, I got a big visions for myself. You quite honest with you. You really in the last and all your Elliot's would on I, I enjoy it. I must. I must say you doing. I really don't. I really don't dabble in it. It just ain't gonna be an everyday thing. I promise you that, but go ahead. Okay. It was cool. I just gotta tell you that in another thing to you in front of the most really person I heard on TV, but I must say, I think you and mix kinda give an era just just a pass a little. Okay. Go ahead. I think I think it's because I think, yeah, I make the students form sometime when he's not doing too good. You know, I I know you don't give him hard time. You're not saying 'cause makes it. He missing to make you think he Jesus, but you do say that he's not the best of our. I mean, he's not the best football player about time. You just saying, tell you you quarterback position, but let me ask you this question. This man is sixty five percent of his passes in this career. This is say, man at three hundred twenty touchdowns and just seventy nine interceptions in his career. Okay. What life career quarterback rating of one zero three. I think Euboea just regular quarterback rating of one or three. Let me ask you a question. When when does he do much wrong? When does he do windows Amer Rogers do much wrong. Well, I'm gonna one do kinda wrong when he put he. He kinda though as his coach, I don't have a problem with you. I mean, how many comedy is Mike McCarthy? Green Bay Packers brass going to waste away one of the greatest players. And without question the greatest talent at the quarterback position we've ever seen in our lifetime, how many years are they going? Just wasted away. Good question. Right? It is if the right it is. His, but my guy last thing, my guy I wished you do give praised too. I must say you the only one give praise to this person is true breeds. He's got give you. Look look drew Brees props. Drew Brees is phenomenal, phenomenal, but go ahead. He should give you some his money because I'm not gonna lie. I really think you'll Boyce on saying he a van man kind of generate on how good he feels. But I really think that by you giving him bad mad, I think people get kinda like stuck with that and think he's better than he really is not agreeing. I disagree with you. I disagree. I heard enough of you. You the call me back another day Valentino, but I gotta get to some other callers. But Aaron Rodgers is the greatest talent at the quarterback position I have ever seen in my life. I don't think there's any question about by the way they Smith show. ESPN radio, make sure you tune them by the way. Plus you can watch us live simulcast on ESPN news when your back is against the wall, and her birthday will anniversary is just days away trust at one eight hundred flowers dot com. Has you covered toward the twenty four multicolored roses for twenty nine hundred nine. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com. Slash ESPN please. Let's get back to the call Vinnie. I went from Valentino to Vinnie your lava. Stephen on. ESPN radio and ESPN news what's up buddy. So Stephen, I wanted to talk to you about the McGregor. Could be like, okay, go ahead. So to me, the everybody keeps talking about this fight like rather mcgregor's gonna knock them out early or could be going to take him down and Connor stop that. But me one part of this point. No one's really talking about is the jujitsu of McGregor. I think it's very underrated I think could be, we'll take them down. It's not a matter of if a matter of when and it's just can is mcgregor's jujitsu good enough to get back to his feet and frustrate it'd be 'cause we saw at the end of the Aliquippa fight that he, you know, he was able to get back up in the later rounds and really gas out. All right, that's all right. The I've heard enough from you. Let me tell you why disagree with you. Okay. I don't think it's going to be a wall attrition. I don't think this fight goes past two rounds. I think either. Khabib gets Conor McGregor down to the mat and moles them inside a two rounds or Kana knocks him out inside a two rounds. I don't think it's going to be a war of attrition. This ain't going five. Well, how do you think he would finish then? It'd be be thinking, I think he's gonna catch him coming in. I think I think if if if if because it's a big, if because Khanna's not even favored and by the way there been some questions about Connolly's wait his, his face, looking a bit of a worn and drawn in how he's not doing what it takes to be in tip top condition. That's what they're saying about Connor. And that he's too small for could be because she wants to read it about one eighty to one ninety. I'm saying to you, Connor can't underestimate or dismiss that power catches goofy. Trying to come in because could be recognized. He's not going to beat Conor in a strike in may. Match or could be successfully takes them down and malls them to death and finishes him off. That to me if he was being mean but have to finish him with the submission. He's got Comores Manjit I say how I said to you. He get down to the mat submission or whatever you wanna call it all I'm telling you is it ain't going five. It ain't going five. I don't think it's going pass to. That's my personal opinion, and it's going to be submission. Knock out, whatever is going end into somebody's gonna, go down. That's all take it. Easy. Vinnie preciado the call. Let's go to Marquel now from the seventy Sixers. This is the Marquel. You'll obviously on ESPN radio. What's up. Going on, even. I'm good man. Talk to me. All right, man. Let's meet the talk team because it's about time I get on you about this air time, but I didn't. They man. I. Hold on. Hold on. KYW get on me about what I didn't understand. You talk to fast by listeners. Get on me about what? Okay. This Tom Brady and a Aaron Rodgers debate on greatest talent greatest quarterback. Got it. Okay, going. There's nothing that Aaron Rodgers those besides getting better than Tom Brady everything else that Tom Brady does is better than McGregor. Man. I'm sorry, number graded. Heard you talk about. Okay. Okay. And that's the. No one that chemicals, six. He's never had the weapons consistently that Aaron Rodgers has had at his disposal. Okay. Let me ask you a question. Hold on. I got it. I got let me ask you a couple of questions, right. Listen to me more care. Yes, I running out of the pocket scrambling to his left or his right Alao. Aaron Rodgers connected down the left sideline. It gets Dallas in the playoffs. Tom Brady does a better ball in that. On the run. I mean, no, no, that's what I'm saying. That's the only thing Brady can't do because of his lack of mobility. But that is the only thing. Talking about Brady, does everything else better quoted standing in the pocket, throwing a spiral from the pocket. You trying to tell me Amer Rogers is inferior to Tom Brady most certainly, especially outside the numbers. Look at the talent at the wide receiver position, Tom Brady has liked throughout his career, and he is still able to do a more than Aaron Rodgers cheated. Let me tell you why you cheating. Let me tell you why you cheat mock Cal, you know, damn well, Tom Brady, you don't have to throw outside the numbers that much the fact that the matters gronkowski and at and before that amendola is well with targets in between the numbers, you know that why you lying. Okay, that's true. Why you lying. But you know. No receiver Leica Josh Gordon, Leica Randy moss. He is more. Did you just bring up any malls? Humane six, six, ready Moore's all world. All purpose. Receiver, Randy moss, Randy moss that's one of the top two receivers in the history of football who religiously could go up and get it against anybody. Is that what you brought up. I mean, he only had them for years. I didn't bring them on. Bring them up. You did. I didn't bring up anymore. Shoot. Did you brought him up? So what I'm saying to you is winners Aaron Rodgers. Had Randall Cobb Jordy Nelson. They compared to Randy moss. That's what you're gonna say next now, Napa, one season I'm saying for a career is the man fan of his. Bring up the percentages. Stop it. Tom Brady is phenomenal, but he's assistant quarterback. He ate the quarterback. Arron Rogers is our predate the call. Thank you so much for it, but you need to stop that Marquel. You ain't winning this debate. Have a nice day. Let's go to John. You lava, Steven, John, what's going on? I'm good. Talk to me man. Valentina that just called he hit on it just like you said this morning I take. I love you. I take man, but I really reason I code because. Will talking about these Cowboys. Man. He never has a bad thing to say about the Cowboys. Does a typical cowboy fan disgusting and nauseating listen to you, don't how cowboy fans. Listen. Am I lying in my exaggerate John? When I say to you, the Cowboys go three and thirteen and the second season ends as seven o'clock by seven fifteen. It'd be like, you know, we're gonna make the Super Bowl next year, right? This is what they do say every time you so rightly said every time you know you fan, but you give it to us real. You never, you know, you'll say, all, you know, get back to him the last two. The last six times either went to a to Ryan made to play all. Okay, three last three or four times they went to a two. We made NFC conference championships. We're to what he says. We're good. We're going to be good, so good, Dave. You do the same job. Just remember everybody lays laser jet. Remember this very little things in life. Worse than the Cowboys fan. This actually, I don't know if there's anything worse than the cowboy fan nuclear bomb could drop. And somehow someway. Like mice and cockroaches a cowboy fan will come out of the rubble this ho day off its who they are somehow. So not only would they come out on a rubble drenched in smoke and soot and Lord knows what else they still say to you. You know, we're gonna Super Bowl next year, right? This is what they do. This is what a cowboy fans do. There's nothing worse. I'm not talking about all campus, you know, to conduct Albouy fan. I'm talking about there's nothing worse than that. Kinda cowboy fan. I'm not gonna say all of them because it's a really fun, loving, good Cabot the, you know, I had a black woman who was old enough to be my great grandmother, and I'm fifty. This woman walked up to be. I'm here thinking, oh, nice, humble sweet lady coming up to me just to say Hello and a b. is kind and Sweden jovial as she could possibly be. She came up to be true story. John came up to me and slapped me on my chest and said, stop talking about my Cowboys. This is who. This is who they are. They're everywhere. They're everywhere in a not good for this nation hated eight. Say ESPN eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six more of your calls to close out the show in a minute. You're listening to Steven eight when he used to being radio. ESPN news Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent lightning storm here to describe the event a TV tray. I was watching football and holding a plate of Meatloaf, win Cup, bam. A bolt of lightning slams into the apartment blowing out the TV and surround sound anything you could have done to help my. I'm a foldable table, not an electrician. You were TV tree can't help you in a lightning storm, but the co insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Go to Geico dot com to see how affordable renter's insurance can be. Guess what you're in the middle of the Stephen with show podcast. Damn it made it back to the phones. We go right here to Stephen, a Smith show ESPN radio. Let's go to Robert. You'll love Stephen a joke to me, Robert. How are you. Stephen, listen, there are times listening, I disagree with your opinion, and there are ties when I agree about fifty fifty, but I have grown to expect you to always give me a full opinion and I can't let you do it. Tell me who's gonna win the fight. They'll tell me to rouse someone's gonna win. You better than that. Well, you know what? Well, you know what? Tom, it. You know what the problem is in all seriousness, Robert. Yes. Or I don't know the UFC that well, I've never seen Khabib. Thank you. Me your opinion. I think that could be. I think that Conor McGregor is going to catch him coming in, trying to wrestle them. He's going to catch him coming in and he's gonna drop them. But that's wishful thinking. Everybody associated with the UFC that I know is worried about Conor McGregor because they don't think Conor McGregor is at his best. They think that he's been drinking and living the life says he got all five, four. Ronald think he'd prepared properly. Right, right. So. So here's the deal. I have no knowledge as to whether he's prepared or not. I say that you are prepared Conor McGregor catches no mega meadow of coming in. I say, you unprepared Conor McGregor gets wrestled to the ground and get taken out inside a two rounds. Are you know what? Stephen eight? Daddy always told me. You didn't know the answer. It's okay to tell some, you didn't know it. I appreciate the, I promise you this, Robert, you ain't gonna find anybody in media more honest than me. I'm never gonna lot of you about what I feel you could pro off promise you that I'm gonna be real with you on that one. I appreciate the call or buddy. Thank you so much. There's go to Dante. You lava? Stephen eight. What's up. Yeah, yeah. Kinda McGregor. I really, I'd be kind of great museum estimate. So the topic of Saddam stop being ridiculous. Stop that don't disrespect them like that. The man is a world champion. He must be doing something right. Come on now don't e- man. I'm the world champion. He didn't even kinda McGregor not in the world. Can't hold on. Did you say you're the world euro world champion. Floyd. What else? Boxing, we're talking. You see. Goodbye. Manhattan. Nice day. Having nice day. Let's go to Nick. You'll obvious even what's up, Nick. Stephen, thanks taking McCall again, buddy. I appreciate you. Go ahead. Yeah, you're going to give you an, oh plan. Boma shot, yellow best. Talk show hosts on TV today, and I love both of you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Love your back. Man. Go ahead, buddy. Steven. A. with two of situation, Alabama would only playing half games most I do you think are gonna hurt as is been hopes that she might try to think Alabama is so dominant and he so officiant want when he's in a game, I don't think that's going to be the case you hearing about Haskins and Murray and others. But I have to tell you the way Alabama is rolling in the way to a has looked combined with the fact that he just came onto the scene after halftime at the national championship game and put on the show that he put on in those particular situations and under those circumstances, I don't think it's going to be held against them. A matter of fact, I think people are gonna think about, look at the year if he continues to play the. Way that he's been playing and feel they owe him to Heisman because you know what he, he didn't do anything until he came in at halftime of the national championship game. I think it's gonna work to his benefit. I thank you right saving and one more thing and I'll let you go. He. Glenn, but. Remember I told you couple of weeks ago to five bands sucks. Yes. And they still do. They are injured though. They are injured though. You got, you got Ricardo Allen, you got Dion Jones. I mean, I mean, you know you, you're talking about the secondary, be a decimated. Come on now, give him a break. I'm trying to. I'm trying to. The next man up. That's true. That's true. Fair enough. We're gonna find out 'cause they're going up against the Steelers those they're just outscored because it's not still stop anybody. I appreciate the call, man. Thank you so much. By the way Stephen Smith show ESPN radio got something to tell you get triple action protection for optimal engine performance was shell v, power, nitro plus premium gasoline back to the phones we go. Let's go to John. You live Steve. They talked to me John real quick. There's a pleasure to speak to you. Haven't tried to call you for three weeks. We'll let you not band wind jumper, bandwagon jumper. I've been trying to call for three weeks every since the bear's loss to the Packers. And if you look at that game, but there's lost by one point to the greatest player in the history of football on their home field in the first game of the season and understand that you can look at the potential for the bands. I'm putting everybody on alert. The bears are coming because Mitch Mitchell Trubisky is a second year player. He's barely got a season football under Bill compared to Aaron Rodgers who did an apprenticeship under the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the league and look where Mitchell Trubisky liquid bears overall and had it not been for the bears thinking ahead to gain one at halftime and not really playing defense like should've been like were in the first half the bears will before no right now. And I just don't think anybody's giving them enough attention or recognition because they're on the rise, the package on the decline. Most of the other so-called powerhouses up NFC on a decline, but there's ever. Facet of the game is good right now and getting better and with the. In the south stop, stop, stop, stop enough for your points. Let me say this to you. The bears are no joke. I'll I'll say for you does defense is real monsters of the midway Israel Khalil Mack, the MAC, daddy is very real and to bid sqi look pretty impressive. Now what I will tell you is this John and I don't mean to hurt your feelings disabled today to be doing up through Bisky because as good as risky looked last week, it was against Tampa, horror defense and the bears pad moved up to get him passing on Patrick Mahomes. And how does that look right now? Luke where Luke where erotic was granted though he was drafted so far below expectations that aren't fifty look at the person. There's no more homes that was picked before. Amer. Rogers that's playing like Mahomes is playing. And I gotta go. 'cause I got, I got to get on outta here, but that's just the truth. Don't get me wrong though. You are right about the Chicago Bears. They are coming. There might win the NFC north because I'm not at that impressed with Green Bay, but I can't wait to this week, gave it a week to me is Jacksonville versus Kansas City. Plus I'm interested in seeing Atlanta versus Pittsburgh as well. I'll keep my eyes on all of that, but I'm heading to Vegas for the McGregor. No mega medoff fight. I'll talk to y'all Monday until then peace and love. Everybody have a wonderful weekend grass, just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN app.

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Bill Polian on Team Building & Core Traits Needed in a QB

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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Bill Polian on Team Building & Core Traits Needed in a QB

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Welcome to move the sticks I'm Bucky Brooks and I am flying solo from us. My Partner Dana Jeremiah is out on vacation. Can hanging out doing what he does during the summer months? So I'm running to ship. I'm doing solo, but I am excited because we have a great guest on today we have pro football hall of fame executive. Bill Polian joining us and we're having a one on one conversation about everything that. You've ever wanted to know about scouting and the team building process. He has. So without further ado, let's is gifted interview. Here's my conversation with Bill Polian. Joining the move the sticks podcast someone who have always wanted to talk to. About the team building process scouting business pro football hall of Famer Super. Bowl champion six time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian also the host of the inside football podcast will bill polian how you doing Mr Bowling good bucket. How are you? I can't tell you how excited I am. Because I feel like we have so many connections along the way I feel like I've learned from you without even working for you obviously drafted about the buffalo bills. After you left the buffalo bills, and then I work as a scout for the Carolina Panthers and a lot of your philosophies. An ideology still existed and of those places so I want to begin with the buffalo bills because I think it's an underrated dynasty that has never fully been appreciated to have a team that you were reported building. They went to four straight, super bowls. Can you just talk about them? The process especially was to be a part of that. Well, it was unique in a lot of ways. Number one we we in the cowboys with the triplets. Were really the last. Of the PRE free agency teams. Are Team stayed together for a long time, which was a neat thing. so that was unique. Secondly you know when you go to the Super Bowl just the length of the season. And that last month month and a half where involved run to the playoffs, and then ultimately the playoffs. Is just so pressure packed it. They lose. They use determine baseball high leverage, and that's absolutely right. That takes a lot out of you. People talk about a super bowl hangover, and it isn't because you're partying or you don't. You don't WanNa win. or You satiated after you win the Super, Bowl, or even after you lose. It's because that that six weeks leading up to. It's just such a grind. it's hard to come back from that and coach. Levy did a miraculous marvelous job getting our guys focused and they did a marvelous job. Staying focused and Hungary through the whole process and. And so that part of it is unique. And I think because of free agency, and because they're so much media in this day and age. I don't think anybody ever do that again i. mean it's really hard to do. It's hard to do twice much less four times in a row. Unbelievable run and so in thinking about that I come right at the end of that run, and that's my first exposure to a team, so my first exposure to a championship caliber team is one with the hall of Fame Quarterback Hall of fame, running back a hall of Fame Wide Receiver. Andre, Reid a hall of Fame defecit been in Bruce Smith. Another high level player anchored Helius Bennett and so when I think about team building. Processes, what is your team building philosophy when it comes to the more key positions, what are the more key positions on a championship caliber forty? Well the IT changes slightly in the free agency era because of the salary cap, but having said that. the real issue. Is. It starts with quarterback unless you have a quarterback who could win. Not just manage the game. You have one who can win in December in January. you're not, GonNa go where YOU WANNA go! It's really that simple. You have to have a wide receiver who can win against everybody? That means that he has to be good enough, so that bill. Belichick can't take away in a championship game. He's got to be good enough so that the really good defensive teams can't take him away. He's got to be able to make plays in that situation. You have to have a left tackle. Who can handle all of all the pressure that you need to get? You have to have a center who controls the offensive line? And who can make all all the calls? Nowadays you pretty much need a right. Tackle can can play at a high level. How you can get by with athleticism now. At right tackle. You couldn't in the days when you were playing by the way I scouted you at North Carolina. Fingerprints are on you. I'm think I feel like I know you because of. Your Plan Carolina. In any event and you need a running back. Who can carry the load? Down the stretch and through the playoffs, most running backs nowadays can't go sixteen when you stop and think about. Barry, Sanders and Thurman Thomas and. That's the reason they're in the hall of fame because they they go sixteen or fifty. but nowadays you need to, but you have to have the bell cow, so to speak who can, who can make plays and win games through because what happens on offenses that. The running back wins by making people miss and making big runs and making something out of nothing. Lately on Elena's heyday with with the steelers, and how many games did you win for them? By ripping off a big run whether it's in four minute or whether you, you know you needed to yards for a first down, or you needed to flip the field? On those kinds you have to have that kind of back. You have to have that receiver can make the play. Thinking, stay in with the steelers Antonio Brown you have to have the the quarterback. Big Ben is an example and you gotta have an offensive line. Two tackles in the center. That can can basically do everything. They've got a pass protect. That's a must, but they also have to be good in running game, and that goes to the offensive line coach you have. That's the one position. Where you have to have a coach. Who can manage his position totally on his own? And get the most out of the guys that he has an essentially creating a run game. Where his guys can shine that that that's a must when you hire a staff. I would argue that. The offensive line coach is probably the most important guy in the whole operation. As far as assistant coaches are concerned 'cause he's on his own by himself I mean he doesn't get any work with anybody else other than the defensive line coach. You have to have. A. Kicker! Who can win in the clutch? In every single situation, every kind of weather, every kind of pressure indoors. It doesn't make any difference. That guy has to be able to come through in the clutch. And Kickers Win Championships when we want to Carolina our first. Free agent signing big free agent signing with John Casey and people sway crazy signing kicker now if you WANNA win championships. You have to have a not only reliable, but a guy who's really good in the clutch. 'cause they. That's where games are won and lost at the championship level. Then on defense. You have to be able to rush the passer. And you have to be able to. In this day and age, if you're going to really be good, and almost from the time that we were in Buffalo, but certainly from the time Tom Brady and peyton manning or in their heyday. You have to be able to rush from the inside. You have to have a guy who can get it done inside because if you can't. It doesn't matter for the Brady's. The Marino's the manning's. you can put two F. F. Six F. sixteens off the edge and it won't make any difference he he'll just step up or slide around. You have to get people under his feet. You could not rush and Marina we had. Bruce Smith and Cornelius Biscuit. Two of the best football wants all of Famer, and the other should be and. And nothing bothered him with them. We had to stunt. Get people up the middle eventually move bruce inside and critical situations where he could overpower guard. You have to have pressure underneath. Nobody know. quarterback likes pressure under his feet. And so. You have to have those three things on the defensive line without without those. You're not going to the big dance. And then I would say you need depending on your system. If you're a three four system. You need a power inside linebacker. You need a guy that can can stop the run. If your a four three. If you're Dungy, type, system, or Carol type system. You, really need you need the week linebacker because he's the guy that everything in the run game funnel to. And so he's GonNa. Make Place, so you have to have a keithly. Whether he plays in the middle, or at will is immaterial, but you gotTa have him. And and Believe it or not. The two safeties have to be really good players, and if you have a Bob Sanders Detroit Paulo mallows, someone like. Your your, you've taken a big step toward winning a championship because. The strong safety if he can go two ways if he can play back, cover to and come up and stop the run play in the box if he has to be the eighth man in the box. And he can do that well and changed games. Than your clover. I think having those things is an absolute. must the others you can build around? What it all boils down to it when you think about. we used a color scheme blue. Being the best players read being. You're familiar with it. I'm sure most our. Listeners. Viewers are to. You have to at least twelve. Blues and reds on your team to win a championship. That's that's a metric that that never fails. It's true given in Europe. That's funny, so having worked Carolina under. Tony, softly! Tony always talked about. We need to have ten to twelve blues to be able to be at a championship level you. We went to the Super Bowl in two thousand three. We had that primarily on defense, but when I go back and look at this team building formula that you've construct it. To me, it stands the test of time because on look at teens in Buffalo I look at the team at Carolina that you'd be. They went to the NFC championship game when I was in Jacksonville, we went to the championship game, and then when I look at the colts I can just check off the boxes on all of those things. Let's start quarterback though when you talk about the core tricks because you mentioned something to me, that kind of rang a bell when you said I need a winner, not a manager, but when we get in critical situations in the play offs, I need a quarterback that can go win the game. There are a lot of guys now. That are being paid like a franchise quarterback. You and I both know they don't have that capability and so. What, what identifies like what stands out when you talk about that winner? How do you see that? What do they do? That shows you the okay. This guy's the winter that I can build a. Well. It isn't money as you know. The money is is just a function of the market in a given year. That's that's why the players union fought so hard for free agency. But. I really think that playing quarterback boils down to some very simple core things. The first is accuracy. You have to be accurate and that means. Putting a ball. where it has to be so the defender can't get it. You, you gotta be able to throw people open. That's what throwing people open means. Putting the ball where the defender can't get it, even though he's got good coverage. That's number one. Number two. You have to be able to get it out quickly. I was on my Sirius radio show. We talked Dante. Dante's Karnicki couple of weeks ago on it was just. Could've done three hours with him. It was so educational and I said to him how the heck were you able to? Take care of Frene Mathis every year. You know we could rush everybody else. We couldn't really get time off. And he said well. We had Tom Check. Free On. Virtually every play. And free to step on the on the left tackle. The ball was coming out. And I saw the place. My Mind's eye. Okay I. Get it. I wish I knew that man. But. He has to be able to get the ball out and get it out accurately without a lot of wasted motion and. You have to have a quarterback. WHO has a Canon front arm? If his release isn't quick, Kerry Collins? Did have the so-called hitch wasn't a hitch. It was simply a way cock the wall, but the bottom line is that. His arm was so strong he could compensate for, plus we were down the field offense so that that helped to some degree, but He's gotTA. He's gotTA. Be Accurate. You gotTA. Get it out there quickly. And most importantly, he has to process quickly. If, he can do those three things. Arm Strength. Is Not an issue not now you'd want them to be able to drive the ball to the outside from the far Hash. You know you want him to make the seventeen yard out, throw. But, you know every year we here in the pre-draft hype. This guy has cannon front on. He can throw it sixty yards so. That's nice. How many times he drove sixty yards. Not Very often. And so. If. You have a mahomes like that's great. That's tremendous, but the thing think that sets mahomes apart is that he can throw accurately from so many different platforms. Throws it sidearm throws a three quarter. He throws it off his back foot. He throws it when he's running those are. The accuracy is what's stunning about him from so many different platforms so. I think those things and then the ability to make the play in the clutch. That's what wins do. Mar.. said. He said to me one time it just in passing, he said we're I. Forget who we were looking at. It was a college player might have been Joe Montana with with the with the forty niners through sort of an ugly pass. You know and I said. That wasn't beautiful and said you know what winter's find a way to win. And it's true. They do? They find a way to make a play and. Jim. Kelly is a prime example of that. It didn't matter how many times you've knocked him down. He'd get right back up and find a way to make a play famous. No one ever saw this because it was a play. USFL, but a pit them is is Jim, Kelly. We were with the Chicago blitz. Mar Night. And John. Butler who you remember late shot. And and John was on the phone upstairs and I was down the sideline next to Marvin we had plank plan safety, and we call the Blitzen Doug. Came Free Jim Kelly Plan for the Houston gunslingers and and and he. Gamblers excuse me and dog hit him right under the chin. He would have been injected today hit him right under the chin. You could see the blood fly out. Jim was falling backwards and went through. And threw a touchdown pass and turn tomorrow holy bleep. John Upstairs Oli. What does happen well Jim? Kelly just happened in all that. Those guys have that special knack. Of. Making plays Tom Brady as you know I broadcast i. was the color guy on radio for ESPN's game of the week in the NFL for about six years. And loved doing it. And we had so many New England Games. And nobody. In the history of football. Is as good as Tom Brady when you give him a break. You make a mistake. MARV used to call them gifts. You give the opposition a gift. He cashes in at Neiman Marcus man he. Takes your bank account. He doesn't go to the guest action. He's coming. No one has the killer instinct Tom. Brady I've ever seen. So. It's those special qualities. That allow them to make plays in the clutch. that. Set the real winners apart and that. It's hard to. It's hard to put a metric on that other. Than How many times have they let their team from behind? How well fourth quarter passing doesn't tell you the story? How many times have they WANNA game when they're behind in the fourth quarter I think Peyton and Brady lead the lead that statistical time I could be wrong on that, but I know they way up there. How many times says he has? He led his team from behind in the fourth quarter. When the Games on the line you know who's better than Tom Brady and the play offs, I mean. Nobody so. Montana on, you know. Bradshaw, keep naming the hall of famers. That's. That's that's what sets them apart. The common denominator and It's funny when you talk about the quarterback position because I feel like because who you've been around in who you've been exposed to from scouting perspective, you keep the standard very very high and I. Think it's easy in our business to want to do it right particularly on this side to want to get right. This guy's going to be the first round pick or whatever, but if you pure to the standard of what you're talking about, there are not many guys IRV to be at the top the top of the board when you talk about the standard and those four things. Talk about so from paid manning Peyton Manning, not only check off those boxes, but when I think of quick processing. Payton in the amount of stuff that period that he had on his plate, and he was able to direct that offense. That's what you're looking for the quarterback from intellect standpoint. Well, you'd like it. You're right about a high standard. We had a young intern with US years ago in in Indianapolis. Bright and And went on to do a lot of good things. We were talking about quarterbacks when we were going through the quarterbacks that were listed in the draft that I kept saying I'm not excited about this guy I really you know he's okay, but he's he's. He's not what you want any. He said Bill can anybody play said very few. Many are called but fewer jobs. The standard is high now. Payton had really so much on his plate that I don't think other than he and Brady. We've ever seen a quarterback managed the game way I don't mean. Manage the game in a pejorative sense, manage the offense and conduct the offense set the protections and change the formation than go to the audibles. Thing. That those guys did. That's because they were such great. There's. And and their preparation was was. That's not. Entirely necessary. I think as long as you can process on Sunday. And you can get in and out of the audibles. The coaching staff is giving you. Someone else can call the protections if necessary. Really offensive. Linemen a center can do that. so. You're not necessarily looking for Einstein and In even the test score or GPA doesn't. Doesn't necessarily correlate. Those rare people I pray manning have. Have that innate capacity to see the game in a different way than most of us do. But that's not necessary. As long as a quarterback has the other things, the most important thing from in terms of leadership work ethic is he gonNa be there the first one in the last one out literally. And working seven days a week literally. Because if he doesn't. Then no one else is going to so. That part of it is is a given. But I. I wouldn't expect. A for example college quarterback to have the capacity to do what Manning Brady. So it was funny. As of late we're seeing in the last ten years. Teams are going to the Super Bowl with the quarterback that is planning on his rookie deal. So it requires it appears that the offense coordinator in the head coach to be able to Kinda. Dumb it down, but have a little flexibility adaptability. It comes to playing with a young quarterback. If you're in the business today, you were tasked with building. A Super Bowl team with a young quarterback. Like what changes? Now compared to yesteryear when when you're building a team with a young man, you got that five year window to get it done. Well, The hope you have the flag. And you're right because the championship, the life of a championship team is about six years. Before you, you really have to turn a lot of people over. what what I've. What I term is that. The offensive coordinator and quarterback coach. Have to be. To crutches for the rookie quarterback. Literally, he has to be able to lean on them. In practice in preparation. Especially into game. To be able to say okay. What was it that the Donald said last year I'm seeing ghosts. Yes, well, you and I know. That that's very common. If you said we looked at tape and said boy that guy seeing ghosts yell Dr Gave Voice to it and fans were shocked than media or shocked by it when when it's very very common. So you go to the sidelines and he says to the coast coach. I'm seeing ghosts. And he said fine. That's not worry about. Let's look at the let's look at the pictures, and I'll show you. What the key on sudden! You don't see ghost so. They have to be crutches literally for the quarterback. Or training wheels if it maybe a little bit better analogy so that he's able to steer that biological in the right direction and perform at a high level. Without worrying about going off the road because he doesn't cross, says something, or he's not the it doesn't have enough. Experience to to see something correctly. You hope that as time goes by. And the best ones do this. They make they don't make the same mistake twice once. They've seen a defense once. They've seen something that's confused Amena. Coaches talked through with them then they say okay I've got it, and and now we go and one measure that you use. In terms of metrics and talking about whether they're qualified or not is to see whether they can learn. Retain retention is is the key, but. If you're playing with a young quarterback that means you're investing in defense, which is good. You absolutely have to win a super bowl. quarterback coach and the offensive coordinator or the head end or the head coach to be training wheels forum to help them navigate the road. Yes, it's a tricky thing because now what we're saying is. We're seeing these guys that are going to the super bowl ricky contracts, but your three ends of being critical, because now you make the decision on whether to extend the fifth year option and then you. You have to make a decision. Do we want to pay significant sums of money for the quarterback? And if the quarterback is just as we've talked about early on the PODCAST, a manager, how far are we willing to go with a managerial type at the position, or are we willing to go back in the draft and see if we can find the right guy if you're a decision maker? How are you balancing that? Do we just keep together? We know his just okay, or are we willing to always search for great at that position? I wanted to do. Both I'm risk averse number one so I'm not GonNa, let the guy who's functional. Go until I have somebody that I know is better to replace it. But if he's only functional, and you're convinced after three years that he's not going to take you to the promised land. And it's hard to make that judgment. It's really it's a hard judgment to make. But if you convinced. Then you better go looking. For the ultimate answer, but I would not I would not unload the guy that I have. especially if he's on a rookie contract where I have rights to technically for for two more years. Or maybe three. I wouldn't let him go until I was sure that the replacement was on board. So, there brings me to a conversation because there's been a lot of. Conversation around Deck Scott Because Deck Scott is one of the few quarterbacks that has been on a franchise deal, and so from the outside, it appears that the cowboys are either uncertain, or they can't reach agreement based on like how he views his value at how the cowboys view the value long-term when you're a team like this, and now that your quarterback is on the franchise, deal is an imperative to get them signed to the long-term, or are you telling your scouts? We have to be on the hunt for the next one just in case well. It's a very interesting question I think. You're dealing with two different. Situations here, apples and oranges. The apple is. Can you get done on a long term deal? That's that that works for you financially. And it has to work financially because everything else that the team buzz financially flows from that. Both expenditure of cash. And and financial chemistry in not if a quarterback who everybody in the locker room knows, it's just an average guy gets thirty million dollars. All of a sudden. You and I are sitting next to each other going what? What's his seven here? I better call my agent. If he's worth thirty million. What am I worth? That's financial chemistry and there's a lot of that that that. That goes on. So you have to worry about that. And then the other of course is the expand the truth cash and the CAP. The beauty of the cap from the standpoint of ownership is it doesn't forgiven doesn't forget. You're. GonNa pay for your mistakes. So that's one part of it. The other part of it is that. You may have heard this from John Butler we always told our scouts every year the new year. We're looking for everything every year. We're looking for the best football players we can get. We're going to try and accumulated many draft choices that we can get, and and if it's a quarterback, so. And then Ron, wolves. Always said and he was absolutely right. Draft A quarterback. Year, or so no more than three years apart so that you're you're backed up and you're ready to go. If something happens unfortunately for us in our last year in Indianapolis. We weren't prepared to do that. And and we and we paid the price for. This interesting, there's another team building thing that I just noticed. I always wanted to ask you about. You have to be okay with investing in a running back in the draft. Your history suggests that you will take running back in the first round, and you're okay with a lot of people on the outside that are like. Oh, you can find one later and thing look at all the teams that are doing it just talk a little bit about your philosophy when it comes to the running back position and whether he would. Would just rather draft one high and just kind of route him out, and in draft another one or draft him in and pay him when it comes time to kind of pay a bill at the end of his contract. Well, let's put paying aside because that becomes another. That's another issue. Okay? Drafting is the key issue. Would I draft why of course? James? Joseph I yes. They're great players at a hall of Famer. If if that player Barry Sanders Saquon Barkley keep naming him. Christian McCaffrey is, he's a game changer by all means take him. Why would you not want a game changer? Just because he plays running back I don't understand. You can get the ball twenty five to thirty times a game in the run game in the passing game. Why would you? Why would you wanNA lesser player in that position when you could get a game changer? So, that's always been my philosophy if the is a game changer. Don't look back. It'd be happy to get him. Some. Go ahead. So. That's where it gets muddy because you says it's an apples to oranges, conversation drafting them and paying them because. The conversation is on the outside. They kind of diminished the value of the running back, but we're. We're talking about building a championship team in common denominator with your teams. You always had a marquee running back a guy that could get it done so. Where is the lack of valuation appreciation from the running back coming from? I don't know I honestly don't know. None of it makes sense to me. Okay because I see Barry Sanders. I see Thurman Thomas. I we, I mean we got. He was a first round pick. Obviously, we got him in the second round because of the injury. Edgerrin James. Todd Gurley. Keep naming them. Now if you're if you're in a Shanahan offense. I get that because the design of that offense uses running backs who have a special skill set? which is one cut downhill run through linebackers. Don't run around them. And and that's great I mean if that gives them an advantage they can. They can use that money in that draft slot on someone else. But. You know the average career length if you play. Two years in the NFL is six. You if you draft a running back in the first round, you haven't for six years five years on the contract one year on a franchise tag if you'd like to use it. And! That's about the length of his career. So, you have to be ready to recycle those guys. But I I wouldn't Pasa Game Changer. Under any circumstances now whether you pay him or not, at the end of five years or six years is another question that's that's entire, and the odds are pretty good that you would not. Because they don't have long careers there's. They take a lot a lot of hits and they wear down so. That would that's a different question. And that's hard to let a great player goal like that I mean. It broke my art ledger and go, and we'd probably kept them one year too long in all honesty. If you look at it from purely a purely incense, stand point, but he meant so much that team that we didn't want to let him go, but. That's the orange part of it. The apples part of it i. take him again in a heartbeat. This because you really cleared up some, because not only, did you? Kind of talk about the philosophy of the running back, and how they important, but then you also talked about from a data in metric standpoint like look average for two years, but it stretches out the where they that matches up with a first round contract, basically, so it makes to take the best player in the first round Rodham all the way out, and then at the end of the deal. Look for the next one because the UH suggest he's not going to be able to sustain that level of play. Lasting offense you talked about why receivers number one wide receiver and the number, one wide receiver has to be able to beat all comers coverage double coverage elite corners. The number one really has to be a true number. One explain explained it a little bit. Well he's got to have enough size to withstand a lot of punishment because you're gonNA. Get him the ball a lot. Secondly he's got have enough speed to make plays down the field. It's hard to. It's hard to play with speed deficient wide receiver. And and and be very consistent. The and If. He's the one he's going to get the ball a lot. You know the quarterback as you know trust wide receivers. That's a chemistry position. They've got to trust each other, and and and they do develop chemistry with certain receivers so. And they're always an anomaly. Michael Michael Love. Urban didn't run real well, but he did other things exceptionally well. But most importantly, he's gotta be able to separate against man to man coverage, tight, minimum, coverage and press. And he's hands have to be totally completely reliable. He has to have those two things if he doesn't have those two things. A likelihood of success, and certainly the likelihood of being a number one for a championship team is not good. Is Funny. I was listening to your podcast. The ineffable podcast with Bill Polian and I was listening to the series life of a scout and you were talking about that. You were talking about how you broke the percentage down for why receives a head to be ninety plus percentage catch rate for them to be on the board. And they had to have all these things, universal characteristics traits, and and that's what's interesting that you brought that up because it's kind of a time tested theory in terms of being able to catch the ball and being consistent in those things now with the metrics. Metrics because you seem like you. One of the first to embrace they call analytics. Now we call the metrics data. It seems like you guys were on the forefront of being able to do when it comes to receivers. How do you track? Would you have your guys kind of track? Their catch rate throughout the absolutely yeah, absolutely back in the buffalo days when we didn't have all the computer capability that we have now. Yes, we had every scout track. Everybody's catch rate throughout, and you can get it off the tape now. It's much easier to do you can have you know do it. But but the bottom line. Is that you better? They better be able to catch the ball, and they better be able to do it consistently, and they better be able to do it in a crowd and. Tom More the great offensive coordinator for us in Indianapolis. WHO IS STILL COACHING ON TAMPA BAY? WHO's a? He's a a football. Philosopher any any says things so clearly and concisely that sometimes they'll snap your head back. We were talking in the draft about a wide receiver and somebody said you know he can really Ron, and he's good. It can separate out of the hands need work, but we can develop is hands, and so I said what? What's his catch ratio so somewhere around? Seventy, nine or eight, seventy, nine or eighty two percent somewhere in there. And Tom said. We have the most accurate quarterback in football. Why would we want to give him somebody who can't catch? That makes sense. I mean it's so true when we talk about development like there's only a small level of development in certain areas that a guy can improve on when they get to the pros and so. In a way, I kind of believe like a guy is what he is. And how does it fit a heard you in your pocket? Talk about prospects are fifty percent of those universal characteristics, highway, speed, queens agility and balance explosiveness, aggressiveness, competitiveness all of those days in in it's fifty percent how the fit into the scheme taking that because of your success Drafting Pass Rushes Bruce Smith in Dwight Frene all those guys. What are the core characteristics that you look for in those guys that are hunting the quarterback. Well it isn't size because nobody could be more disparate than Bruce Smith and Dwight Frantic, they weighed about the same height loss. Differential is about five inches, and the arm length is Breteuil is pretty good to. Robert Mathis of course was also on the on the short side so six or so, and and really in the to forty five range. So the key is. Get off, quick first step quickness. Can you be an offensive tackle off the ball with your first step quickness? That's critical and go back to what Dante Scar. Nekia told me about Brady he was checking to make sure if rainy had beaten. The offensive tackle on the first step. The ball was coming out at Tom was going somewhere else so. First step quickness is critical. GET OFF! Secondly. Can you translate speed into power? Because really good offensive tackles as you know will get to the junction point. And they'll get the junction point. Maybe sooner than you do or certainly intend with you. And at that point. You have to be able to translate that speed into power. And blow through them to the quarterback. That's critic. Because if you can't just stick to them like Velcro, and they win. So get off, translate speak to power. And then the ability to change direction because if you can't change direction. You're a one trick pony rusher. All you've got as an outside Russia and maybe arm over. If you can change direction if you can spend if you can. If you can head, fake can change direction and go under and things like that. Then you've got a rep a TWAT that makes it easy for an offensive tackle to handle. And I and I suspect that. Most fans really don't know what goes into. Preparing each week, but the offensive tackles keep books. On on the rushers. Just like pitchers keep books on hitters in baseball. and vice versa, the Russia's keep books on on offensive tackles so. You gotTA. Have those who things get off it -bility, you know to power through. An and change direction. If you've got that, you got a chance to be pretty good. You've been very generous time. I have two more questions for you. One of those is coming off of your past. Russia thing you mentioned about office tackles, and it used to be your year. There was a distinct left tackle, and then Kinda the plugger pounder Ma brawler played at right tackle whenever we're seeing more teams deploy their pass rushers at left, defensive been spotted at left outside linebacker spot to expose him against the right. Tackle man when you look at an office tackles. Is there any difference between what you're looking at right left because you talked about athleticism for the right tackle. Yeah. I think it's the differences minuscule. You know I. I remember looking at Mike mcglinchey Notre Dame I saw on the staff there, and I looked, and I said you know He. He's he's going to be. I think a pretty good left tackle, but I'm not sure he's powerful enough to be right. Tack Away Plays Right Tackle. Does pretty darn well, and went to the Super Bowl because. What's happening now? Is that so many people have spread the field? We play in fifty three and a third yards. Now the run game is in many respects zone heavy, so you don't have the double team kickout anymore. You don't have to post up. A defensive lineman. You don't have to do things in the run game as an offensive tackle that you used to do in the days of power. Not Everybody. Is. Zone oriented, but a great many of them are an and sixty percent of the time. You're facing nickel because you are in three watts. That's that's the metric, so if sixty percent of the time you're, you're performing one skill as opposed to. Some other skill. Why why would we spend a lot of time worrying about the other skill? You better be able to pass rush a pass block. Excuse me because sixty percent of the time. The likelihood is you're doing that and and so now. You're really looking for pass blocking as the number one criteria for an offensive tackle if he can't. Set and move his feet and do all the things you want to tackle to do. It's hard for him to play. You mentioned something because I. Know You an avid baseball fan and it's funny that you you miss that her. That on your podcast I've heard you of talk about baseball references. When I played for a dictator Ron Jacksonville, he talked about building a football teams just like building baseball team. You GotTa be all championship teams in every sport. You gotta be strong right down the middle, and you mentioned a a spot that I feel like has been a little devalued. The safety position, the free safety and strong taping Jamal Adams kind of having his impasse with Jessica those things. About the value of having. A game changer a big-time playmaker. Whether free safety or strong sit yeah. Ironically Enough Dick was a professional baseball players you know. He played in the red sox chain as well as being a great running back. The Strong safety position I think is one that is becoming more and more important in this game. Because the more we see, the athletic quarterback in. The option. Come into the game. Which didn't exist? What six years ago five years ago. We now have to have a player. In this secondary. Who could either run the alley? I'm not a big fan of running the alley by the way I think it's just too far for anybody to go i. don't care whether it's Bob Senators Troy Paula model mover. That's a mismatch against Lamar, Jackson. I'd rather not have them in the allies so. You need to have close to the line of scrimmage. Who Can. Cover zone. Who can cover a slot in man? And and press a slot. It's necessary. And absolutely take quarterback or pitch. And be able to tackle a Lamar Jackson in space. Or Tackle Cam Newton in space. In order to play solid defense, because now it's love and on eleven. It's not eleven on ten anymore. The way it used to be the run certainly in Iran. So. Who is that guy well? It's Simmons from Clemson. And I think we're GONNA see more and more of those guys coming into the League because the colleges have to deal with that as we do now. Bill parcells used to say we're. We're captives. What the colleges send us well. The colleges are sending US quarterbacks who can run the option and throw like like the you know had the man with the golden arm. and. And so. What they're gonNA send US strong safeties I'd think who can play that role and I I. I've said. I was you know for good for Real I think Simmons is strong safety. He's not aligned back. He's a strong safety in the monitoring modern game, and if you WANNA play him back as Clemson did at times, they played him back deep and covered to. That's great, too, and that's a bonus, but if he can do. Those things around the line of scrimmage and still play good zone defense. I think that guy is invaluable. This? This has been great Like a graduate degree in Scott heard a bunch of different things. from everybody I felt like I've got a bunch of your for Las cruces secondhand, so they have opportunity to talk to. You is fantastic and the one that you mentioned on your products. You mentioned that in Indianapolis your goal was to try and have your draft ward with one hundred or fewer prospects. I think on the outside. People would say that's absolutely crazy. Why did you want it so skin? Why did you want it though so if you could get it that way? We never quite got there, but it was. It was an aspirational goal. We'd end up with one hundred five hundred seven something like that. Bottom line is we want wanted the bar to be very high and we wanted to be very sure. You've probably heard Tony softly by the way who's a great scout in a great administrators. Say this you WANNA be. Wrong for the right reasons. If we're wrong, let's be wrong for the right reasons. Let's know everything about the sky. Let's make sure that we know that he we. He checks every box for us. Let's don't be in a position where we shrug our shoulders and say okay well. We like them a little bit Let's put him in the seventh round, or let's put him in the sixth round. It's just to me. That just muddied the waters. Be sure about everybody and you can't. You can't be sure about two hundred players. You can't be sure about hundred fifty players. Some those are throwing, so we didn't. We didn't want to waste choice necessarily, so the more information we could have the smaller. The board was the better we felt. We could manage on draft day, and we did a pretty good job of that. Because it is was to. Her name's up there. It's much easier to manage. Make Trades and zero in on people, so that that part of it was just part of our philosophy. Because, we felt like the fewer names we had. The more we knew about each guy of it. Thanks much one thing is for certain. You're one of the best who ever done it. From the evaluation standpoint everyone should pay attention to your podcast inside football podcast would bill polling. It is a master's degree in the evaluation and team building process. Thanks so much for joining us I love the conversation. Thanks much Thanks buckets my pleasure. Okay I'M GONNA. Say this. I had I've learned so much. From Mr Polian, on the outside, a lot of contacts and Cross County Library Cross paths like a different times in Buffalo. They talked about him. He was well revered for the way to build their team in Buffalo in Carolina. There are a lot of scouts who kander remain from when he was there, and he built their franchise from the ground up, and you know to have the conversation with him about team building. In the way, the scouting process works was outstanding. Hopefully you guys enjoyed that conversation. Because I know that. I learned a ton. Hopefully, you did as well so that's do it for the show Michelle, the checkout the mood sticks TV show which will air on NFL network at six PM eastern also, we re airs on Friday at four PM, eight PM, midnight and Saturday four pm in eight, a m eastern be sure to tune in next week for the baseball. 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Don't do it again But now and they stepped in to help the young man it realized that it's a good deed and he has started a gofundme page Jason Gonzalez has started a gofundme page to support by a bigger truck to go and pick up the crispy cream donuts and bring them back to Minnesota so crispy cream is all in on that now so we don't have to feel bad for him in his You know making of money as an entrepreneur. I don't for the life of me. There seems to be a very obvious solution to this open a crispy cream where this young man was taking the doughnuts and have him run it. I heard there one near but it got shut down for whatever reason his head now. One of our people hit us a quite some time ago. But here's a double headline real quick for you a couple. You guys love this and you tell me what you think about. This people were outraged after a couple of council wedding but kept the money for the honeymoon. so a couple of decide. Guess to we're supposed to be attending their wedding decided to cancel the wedding and made everybody furious over after receiving a lengthy message from the bright informing them that they decided to council everything. Everything's things off. The couple raised around forty three thousand dollars from friends family. Why he looks like that? Sam Oni friends and family to pay for everything honeymoon. The moon things of that nature so eventually they sent out a letter saying that. Oh No we're not GONNA have this wedding so several people have said and said to them. Send me my money back. Her uncle one of her uncle gave the bride and groom seventeen thousand dollars and then also come into the. He's demanding his money back after a pair didn't respond is causing Texas. He said I'll see you in court. Furthermore she also posted on her facebook look page that they're going to use the money for their honeymoon eventually and to buy things and not live a lavish lifestyle now but they will let everybody know. Witnessed ceremony continues. They will be looking for more money from him. This is stealing. No Oh yes no do you go back. You're supporting a wedding. Not Not love if you if look. I'm going to wedding this weekend. We bought a gift for the wedding if sometime between now and Friday evening when the wedding is scheduled to take place it doesn't happen fully. Expect to get my salad bowl back. I am buying you a salad bowl or whatever Susan bought for the wedding is. I don't know exactly what it was did for clock radio. Something the the celebration of your wedding. Not so you don't have to buy your own salad bowl or go on vacation but it's the same thing no it's not. You're buying the Senate both they don't have to buy it just because you're getting married. You can't get the Salad Bowl back keys. Headlines in Los Angeles cast and stuff like that. Maybe maybe you get divorced. Oh you through the wedding. You had a wedding. Would you get everything to go with the Tom Sawyer Never I just wanted you know because I had a teammate that when I got married and we had the Neiman Marcus Registry this fool winning bought one Two one four one knife. I gotTA get registered target. Not the Notre Dame too so go imagine there you go all right. Let's go back to Jeff. Passan really quickly joined US few minutes ago. We were talking about where the dodgers might spend their money whether they can get both guys whether hundred Reuse GonNa come back air all all all of that stuff but the takeaway was what you ask does Ian. It's if you could go hire someone else. Who would it be? And the answer. That Jeff Passan gave included the phrase. This was the worst managed game of all time and we set it at the time. It hasn't become a better managed game and the criticism that he put in there was exactly could the same. We've all said this dude. Are you even watching. What's happening? And then afterwards the explanations for what he did and made no sense is. I can't believe people think I was under fire. Dude wake up it was. It was a very similar response to. Aj hinch WHO's basically said I didn't put in Garrett Cole because the plan was if we had a lead then I was going to bring it because he told them what to say. He'll get over it but I think you look fairness to him. He blew it. He screwed it up house Elspeth failure because he well he can't look if the management then telling me he was under fire then he's not under fire just because we as fans feel like something should have happened. They should of finding something that at the end of the day. He's still the manager and we've got a supporting forty this year. And hopefully you know we won't be dealing with a Clay Hilton situation. I hope he makes better decisions if he finds himself in a similar situation. But I think I think the answer the question is why is the answer. The question can't be because we think he did a good job. They can't be because he didn't did just definitively a bad job Bob in the postseason. This isn't a act could have gone either way. There's not Monday morning quarterbacking. He blew it period but the answer for why. He's under fire because the the decision was out of his hand. We're not GONNA fire you for decision that I made you make. That's the only thing that makes any sense that does make sense though in his defense as well cody. Bellinger may end up being the MVP but didn't help the league. He didn't help didn't help. Aj pollock who brought in to help unhelped. That's so unhealthy Kelly unhelped but then they flip kershaw hand go into the situation. Where are you even dealing with Kelly when you hear review thrown Joe Kelley unhelped because he was allowed to help because the manager didn't stop it from happening? I'm GonNa Assayed again. Cody bellinger was bad. I'm not defending cody. bellinger performance in the postseason. They had a two run lead and they needed to get six outs and their best relief. Pitcher never came in the game. We're done on where you came in a game where we came after a nearly level dodger stadium already that his best relief pitcher and I'm I'm not saying he was Prime Dennis Eckersley he would but he's your best bet. Okay he's the guy that is your best bet in that situation and he came in after the game had been lost already. That is an inexcusable mistake. After Anthony Rendon hit that home run to take it from a three to one lead to take it to a three to two lead. You let Clayton Kershaw. Threw a pitch to a guy. There was just salivating to get a meatball from him. And he got a Clayton. Kershaw was shell shocked and you left him out there when you had plenty Eleni of other options to do it. This is not. Hey a lot of things happened. They needed to get six outs. They had a full complement of bullpen options. And he blew. The thing is having worked in live in Atlanta during the Bobby Cox Heydays and these questions about Bobby Cox in his decision making they also were percolating. They also were around Why did you do this instead of bad blah blah Blah Blah Blah but? I think everyone also recognized that. Win Your top two guys. Don't come through for you in the postseason. In this case it was Madison sometimes grabbing that what is Bobby's opposed to do. Because the plan is based upon superstars superstars being superstars. That argument's certainly can be made and Dave Roberts case. What is Dave supposed to do if the MVP of the League doesn't show up if you're free agent signings fall apart Aj pollock as well as Joe fall apart? What is he supposed to do? That's my that was led Zeppelin. Yeah my next heartache. The answer to that question is what are you supposed to do. It was one of the worst manage games I've ever oversee. I've loved that such a this is not a second guessed. This was a what the hell is going on right now. And that's that's his responsibility. If the answer is we told him to do it and we're going to keep them they're fine. I can accept that but if the answer is only like how he handled the end of the game. Then it's insanity sanity a no. You didn't WanNa keep skipper as a manager but we certainly want to keep a d. as our five or four and he's he's pretty good player. He finally decided to clean up the mess that that he created a couple of days before. Let's listen to what he said originally saying the ship. Today's it we'll see. It's a possibility. Of course everybody well. WHOA WHOA? Whoa what what what he had to come back with this new consider? Chicago's voice afraid. Anything I said that you know folks on championship with the Lakers. Of course not. I'll be afraid of next year and I'll say we'll see we're GONNA do people think that we have memories that won't last a day. Yeah but he did say in the NFL but he did say that. That's not what he said key championship. No never mentioned Lakers championship clip. That we are in the clip that we heard I I. I'M GONNA ask and I have a feeling I know how this is going to go. You don't really believe that right. I believe we don't really believe that there's a part of that answer that was excised and certainly one hundred percent believe that that conversation was longer than what we we heard. I absolutely as long as tow but the content of the conversation. There's not always. I'm always changes changes. I'm always going to believe coach that they go cut it slice it and take the media's part in push it out there I just that's just me now now I never for one minute thought that he was ever going to Chicago with. I heard it or not. I didn't either so here see told you. There's a chronology chronology algae of the exchange chronology espinel being little here. We all know about that when that might. I just crossed that fashion. We've got to ask Janice on speak Spanish. Yeah so so according to the story Perspectives Charter School is where the event was scalise were empty. David's went to school to high school. The question is if you get a chance to come home and play for the Bulls would you do it. A young athletes asked ask Davis in the midst of acuity segment but Nike sponsored event. His answer was honestly if the Lakers win a championship. nope that wasn't answer. The classroom was honestly is nothing like playing at home. I don't know dot dot dot. I mean I am free agent next year but we'll see ability that which is the rest of it. We asked the audio. Can you read and hang on. WHO BELIEVE No? You want to hear the audio. I'm GONNA play for you because they don't want to hear all of somebody else jumps in and says next question the next avenue which is miles different than this. So that's an I consider Chicago. Consider anything. I said that you know. L. Folks on the championship with the Lakers. And of course I'll be afraid of next year. We'll see where it goes the first answer. He missed it and he didn't the second one he fixed it and everything is fine playing at. I was a starter. I take great offense to that bitch. Yeah well guys you know. There's there's GonNa be some moving chairs now you say oh. Yeah okay well. I played moving chairs. It was different so a chance. Musical chairs moving pieces. I was combining the princess right. You got me you got me so the NFL revolving around starting quarterbacks as as we know we'll probably be somewhere else whereas go. What about the team? He left we know foles. And all those guys so take it away. Got Some questions for you. Three Vegas has released some odds. It's on if a guy will start or be a bench warmer next season so it's a yes or no question you found along keyshawn used up questions at this point. Okay here. We go so Cam Newton Newton next year according to Vegas starter or benchwarmer in week. One starter starter unanimous starter. Okay you guys got that right. He's minus three hundred to be a starter. They okay you sound is okay. Let's go The Mustache Garner Menchu a starter or a bench inch warmer in week. One starter starter. Bench keyshawn. He is to be the on the bench. They don't know anything about football. How about one of our guys travel? America's quarterback Alan Callan a a starter or a bench warmer. That's tricky. Because I think that depends on how the next day games go clear to me. It started I think Kyle Allen will play well enough to be the starter vich warmer. He will be a bench warmer. They know the game. I played against one of a PAC. Twelve Marcus Marcus. Mariota a star a bench warmer in two thousand twenty keyshawn starter out the league. Yeah I will take neither of those and I'll say he'll back up somewhere he will be a backup that is correct yet that when incorrect what about the guy that started with only oh they came out with James Winston Keach quarterback a starter a bench warm in two thousand working at a seafood restaurant. The joke I think that Cam or excuse me James Winston will be a starter in Tampa. He will be on the bench according to Vegas King. Listen Vegas Minna. Get everything wrong. That's not true. Yeah that's why they got those buildings lights and they get a lot of it right my friend all or how about this guy. Yeah Mitch Trubisky News quite a bit a starter. A bench warmer at the week. One of two thousand twenty key starter. Baseball Travis Starter. Yeah I not doing what they have him on the bench. You will not be a starter. Here's one Ryan Tannehill. We'll be started or been tormented in two thousand and twenty benchwarmer bent back to wide receiver is correct. How about this one hairband? We know he led to have been in a starter or a bench warmer in two thousand twenty week one starter starter. Of course okay. He's a starter and five. Okay Ginger your Andy. Dalton they start or bench warmer in two thousand twenty key starter bench bench he will be a starter keyshawn right okay got one right and maybe you can't play in Cincinnati you. Maybe that's the answer. Answer right that he keeps starting for that terrible not just guessing garage dot com guys. This is from Vegas. I Teddy Bridgewater favor. Show a starter or on the bench again. Again in New Orleans Nikki Sean. Bench starter bench in New Orleans L.. Z. was only got that right. He will be according to Vegas and NFL. You'll give him so much money to stay. Just wait just sit tight you I got you. Yeah I got you. Drew brees is not retiring at the end of the year. Drew brees will be. We're going to extend drew one more year. We're GONNA continue a hefty harvey is. Pay Me Mr eight million back. We're going to give you fifteen. No they're gonNA do the Patriots thing they gonNa Flip Jacoby percent some assets. I'm telling you right now. I don't know if there's a bigger job sparring never mind in sports sports. I don't know if there's a better job on earth than highly paid backup quarterback. You don't have to play and when you do. The expectations don't exist. I think our job is pretty pretty good. It's good we didn't get criticize. You know remembers what we said. It doesn't pay though if it paid eight million dollars. Perhaps you don't make teddy bear. Teddy Bridgewater makes six. Eight million bucks is a backup. Had Teddy Bridgewater come in and instead they go Filo Centaurs but he's not but he I hear what you're saying started talent. He's a starter talent. But he's sitting there even if he'd come in and in the six games he played they'd gone three and three good job. Teddy yeah good job. I mean there's not a better gig in the world in that now I don't want to be the backup though because being a backup and just sitting tight you got all your brain capacity you WanNa play wants to play. But also so he understands being with Sean Payton in making good money. He'll get to the big money eventually but then you get the tier two women. That's the problem. Oh and by the way at Janus did the numbers so That would a grain of salt address. She's done a math three times three different answers but she says you all got at six. You are all winners in my book on my winning streak continued you. Why would you get the second women? What are you talking about? Because we're going to go with the wide receivers Account all the conversation. Yeah the conversation. It's what conversation you have would you baby. I don't play no no no. You're going to take out the black American Express card and go to Senate. You have a logo looking at the local that don't play it on it. Pretty special teams. I don't want to clubs you come on and walk this study. We're all they do is run down to take the best they come through. It'd be six of 'em wait a minute on the strolling through how about this. This is something you don't hear every day. NFL Executive in this case a former NFL executive. Give me for saying that he got it wrong. Here's Bill Polian. Of course Bill Polian was the guy that suggested that Lamar Jackson should switch to wide receiver. and he said I was wrong because I use the all traditional quarterbacks standard with him which is clearly. Why John Harbaugh and Ozzie? newsome were more pressure than I was. It took him to to get there but that's about right because last year. He really didn't didn't show he show flashes of some stuff but this year he's showing that he belongs at the position period last year it was kinda still up in the air. It was like well. What are you going to do with him? What is he going to be? This is only going to be gadget for five games and all s win the chargers under arrest him in the playoffs. There was a real. Oh Yeah I was. It was the first thing that was the first team that saw him twice right. So that was my concern last year in the playoffs charges with song for the second time and shut that down but no there's no great executive in professional sports that get everyone right now. Of course all in Bill Bill Bullying Bill. Polian has been like nine time executive the year's Super Bowl champion whole deal putting teams together so he certainly knows talent much like he said he was smart enough to identified that he was losing his mind when he said to play receiver. Bill New Must Bill Senate. A bill was like Oh Damn T. Go get me ballpark before McKee. Bill Polian is seventy something. Yeah okay so he like you said He. He has the oldest mindset. That's your league. Though the League at a general have this old wizard mindset about the way we do things we've always done on it. I only want this guy in the slot. Only this guy outside and that's the wrong way to think. So if if guys that think the old way are in their seventies or getting close to do it and we're seeing this being seven Jackson. We're seeing the success of not just black mobile quarterbacks but guys like Aaron Rodgers who can move right Aaron Rodgers Baker Mayfield field can move a little bit and create some things. He hasn't been great. But will we see Colin Murray more and more guys that defy the classic Jared Goff six-foot-five I stand in the pocket. You know big arm and just pick you apart. We'll more and more guys that are more like Lamar Jackson. Get chances the more than the bill. POLIAN 's age out. Oh no no because they have left trails of people that have worked underneath them. They think like them Mike. I'm not seeing Lamar Jackson. Because because you're not gonNA take Lamar Jackson. Were just in her. You just not going to do that. I don't okay how much Lamar Jackson is winning. Just Herbert can put that in. Let it rip for sure but just in Herbert Still GonNa get picked. I understand that. But instead of the Jackson lasting the thirty two he gets to ten or twelve. Well you got to remember some of those guys that are making these decisions. Still think like Bill Polian. They still think like yeah. Well we really know jalen hurts is a guy out there right now. I take jalen hurts and I wouldn't mind seeing him any. NFL underneath the center. It doesn't hit can't at times he can't the side of a bus but he's really really good and he wins at one point. Magic Johnson is opposed to Ben like somebody's power forward Unfortunately someone had a good sense of saying that's special chance sometimes songs. Just make up traffic and I know you lit up like Christmas Judy. Yeah now we're talking to me now. Happy Birthday to Sally Field Seventy three years old today. Of course she was a co star in smoking the ban handed. which is you ever see smokey panicky? Of course yeah Transam Transam a couple of months remember. I took a picture of an entity guys with the station literally after we had talked about it because I believe of course got to be forty years old by it was it looked forty years. You know we talked about something. Yeah and then literally a couple of days limbaugh and I saw a car. Sally Field Seventy three years old today. She was the flying the score. Gump normal ray. She's been in everything she's been around for ever. Yeah so her birthday is brought to you. By Jaguar Land Rover of Newport beach off the seventy-three toward the Sea Visit Land Rover Newport beach. Dot Com Land Rover above and beyond with Sally Field. Gidget yes I think so. I think she was taking dream of Jeannie my bed. That's agreed track. No one else has been around forever. All right we're looking at key's power rankings. I forgot it's my turn to Care uh-huh slip in slip and you know that when I knew you don't know stall him out but he no commpany slipping I do. I know what it is here. We go so the powering. Of course it's a very controversial power rankings. Sometimes you sometimes it gets So let's go last week. We had those Dallas cowboys and number ten. Of course they come off the Monday night. Victory where put it away late against the giants coupons. Who's WHO's number ten this week? Well it's hard for me to say the cowboys move. Obviously really but I'm GONNA put the packers at the bottom. Dropped him down to five to ten. They walked into. What was it? Called stub hub. Committee health. Sports wanted wanted names that they've had over the last three years. I think they walked in sure. They've got run out of the stadium so I just you know when you fall asleep at the wheel like that you get pushed down pretty far. Could that could you not just chalk it up to that's the NFL and look. The chargers are not having a great season. But they're not a bad football team and they just got got. Yeah they got got but that there's nine other teams. I feel like wouldn't allow that to have happened walking about those nine other teams because last week he had the rams way back a number of mine. WHO's number nine this Wiki well number nine this week a Yo boys they move up just a smidge it? WHO's my boys cowboy? The Our may move the number nine spot. I moved rams obviously somewhere else. move the cowboys number nine. Look they took care of business against the giants. It got out of hand Dan late in the game but the giants is bad as they were playing they still kind of hanging around a little bit. Yes that to me was the takeaway that game. It wasn't so much that the cowboys won in one. It was the the giants who are legitimately terrible. Were within one score in the middle of the fourth quarter in near a fellow that the cowboys weren't in control. Even though now was tight right they still had a hand on the game very true very true and of course number eight last week we have a tie with the colts and the seahawks. So who's number eight this week. Number eight the Minnesota Viking Lou Lou Kansas City and they lose to a backup quarterback born on the road nicodemo. Today wind up having dogs. They wanted to plan pretty good losing by a couple of field goals that you know they'll kick it hit a fifty four and a forty five so I'm confused about taught to all right so the packers have the best record. NFC North still. They lost to a team. That's not playing. Well yes but is a good football team. The VICHA easy t- to Frankie's worse record the packers they're second in the NFC North and laws to a backup quarterback who wasn't even playing last year. This time yes that is ranked higher than the packers. Because I believe that the packers are getting ready. Take a step back. That's why that's why the boss wants to miss. It's what my is you achieve clarity. Because this monsoon at the same time the Vikings are sitting alone. ooh In Pittsburgh ooh Pittsburgh are trying to climb into me based on where they're at now to me. They've been playing the last four games they are better than the teams that they're in front of. Okay if they play those teams today. I believe that they would beat those teams. Aaron Rodgers made some Rudolph it just never seven number seven or of course the buffalo bills the team high on the AFC were the buffalo bills whose number seven this week. The Rams are number seven. Yeah they moved there. They were killing at the area so I got him a number seven. They'll never be number one again so I don't even have to worry about that. Wow I was so confused starts falling. We'll be like Bill Polian Alien Joh- All right Last week number six of course. We're the Ravens and we saw those guys on Sunday night football. I know they moved up from there. WHO's at number six this week? The buffalo bills are at number six. The bills are good football team right now and they're certainly playing that way I haven't really ran up on any real killers real waller's but we want him. They lost they lost New England. Yeah but we'll see what happens as time goes Josh Allen. We've talked about SAM. Darnold Josh Rosen and all those corpse quietly he just. He's the only one that is you know. Every every since he scrubbed his twitter clean he's been doing all right. That's the The the packers as we heard they dropped down rankings. They dropped all the way to ten. They were number five last week. Who's there this week? The Hawks folks who the hawks are not Seattle but they got a tough one. You know in Seattle when you when you think about. They got to played a San Francisco. Forty niners this weekend in San Francisco. I think that's what yeah. That's why games Monday night in San Francisco on a Monday night. That's a big time deal. Now this'll be the first big time on Monday night. Game for Kyle. Shanahan P carols used to this Russell Wilson Abuse. It is go in there and they take care of business they may not blow them out. Aw in a May not win by seventy may win by field goal. But that's how Seattle place do the forty niners not get credit for doing what they did to Cleveland on Monday night because they tore for them up a few weeks so of course. He's supposed to do that when too bad teams pose a pound to the ground all right so number four last week where the Patriots. I haven't heard their name little. Did he drop out of the top ten or or I mean they did lose the gay where WHO's number for this patriots are number four. Oh so you stay here going to in the Patriots lose to Baltimore team that I feel like at that moment is better than the Patriots. But there's not very many any teams in the National Football League that I could say that about so who you GonNa put in front of a other than in Baltimore. Like who else are you gonNA put it in front of him. Rams move on number three last week with a forty matters of course We get to see them Monday night. Who Do you have a number three this week? Lamar Jackson in the Baltimore Ravens. Are You satisfied with that one. Are you happy with that when else used it when you wings to go up and if you'd lose you're supposed to go down your wranglings nine my mind. Lamar Jackson is showing. Everybody can play the position in many different ways. He can win many different ways. You win running. The football can win throwing short throwing loan the defenses clan solid. HARBAUGH's good. I I like what the Ravens are doing right now I do now. That doesn't mean that they can't hit a stumbling cooling block here coming up. They still got play. Pittsburgh doesn't mean at Pittsburgh is spoken by winning and playing good doesn't mean anything they're good. I got nothing added that they're really good and they're coming here to play on a Monday night game against the rams in I wish they got three. We've got that is a long. Yeah I do not love that game okay last week. Of course the Vikings things were second on your power rankings for some reason. What do you have second this week? They lost I know San Francisco Forty niners Oh. Tehran defeated the undefeated Seattle. which is a big challenge for them this week but at the end of the day the San Francisco Forty niners? There's or showing everybody that they belong. They are for real if they lose four their next eight games or whatever that is they still wanted to play off. What what were the chiefs? But I'm looking at I was working went. She wasn't even any last week. I know but they won it the miss cleal they beat your number come team. Is it not in my power rankings. It is but the power the Chiesa sitting at number eleven number two teams atop opt to not in mine. No okay because the Pumpkin may come very soon with Matt Moore. Just watch out. I'm trying to play it. Yeah no mahomes else is coming back. Maybe but he just said you hit miss cleal man number one the New Orleans Saints Number One. I took the Kansas City chiefs out. Didn't put main although they did beat the Minnesota Vikings. I don't know if mahomes hurry up and gets back and he's playing and he's doing something that Kansas City would be good but if he doesn't Kansas City Mike wanted to fall into the raiders in losing their division. You got this drive you got. Oh I certainly do do not have it those e real belly. No no he sheltie not a Tommy. You got me Chris. Woo Woo W. Korean today K. rap K. Rap Korean rap even though he's rapping in English bilingual but this is his birthday man. Happy Birthday to Kris Wu. Twenty nine years old today right. Komo news brought to you by. I don't know why you thought I would know Chris Woo. But that's that's all right birthday has brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover of Newport beach off the seventy-three tour of the C. Visit Land Rover Newport Beach Dot Com Land Rover above and beyond articulate. Start with college football right here. The First College Football playoff rankings came out yesterday. Here are your top four. You've got Ohio state at one. LSU In Alabama or two and three and then another big ten school penn state at four a team from outside the top four will win the national championship. Take it or shake it which means we're talking about Ohio. I should say we're talking about Clemson Georgia Organ Oklahoma. Those are the teams outside. Would have a pretty good chance to get in even if they did get in is long as Lsu or Alabama is still in it then those other teams three teams and not Oklahoma. Not GonNa on a beat. Those guys Clemson Oregon's going to beat them. Clemson is not as good as their record. Indicates the record is undefeated. Obviously but when they've been kind of an up and down year for them and they haven't been smoothing salon a lot of turbulence going on when they're playing I know that they're not supposed to factor in previous seasons and all those sorts of things. But it just feels like if we're GONNA have a final four clemson script clemson has to be in. I'm saying even if they're in it I don't believe they'll win it I I think somebody else went in. And I don't think Penn State Alaska I don't think Penn State beat Ohio state. Yeah that's coming up. I want to say too. We hear Penn State Minnesota here. WE GO MINNESOTA ODA. who was unbeaten debuted at seventeen? That's just a direct reflection of their schedule. They haven't played in school and Nicole better soon as they beat Penn state this weekend. They've got penn state eight. Oh how state and a big twelve championship game to get through. That's not a tough row. Row Your Peach got an engine yesterday. Last night we were ooh turf. Just look bad. Look old to get some new turf. Let's move onto the next one. Here's the owner of the chargers. Dean spanos talking about his team moving moving to London. I know there's been a lot of crap going around in the last twenty four hours about this London thing and I just want to give you a quote for me okay. It's totally okay. We're not going to London. We're not going any worse. We're playing Los Angeles is our home and this is planning to be for a long conor period. Okay to say it again I'll say again the NFL. We'll have a team in London in the next ten years. Take it or shake it say AK. I don't think so I don't I just don't believe that they'll ended ended. They're doing just fine going over the every week. They don't need to put a teen in London. A lot of coaches and a lot of players. I'm sure they don't WanNa live in London. Because I know I wouldn't we D- rather live in London in Buffalo. I live in Buffalo. Yeah just it just seems to me. There's a market for it over there. Roger Goodell clearly wants everytime Roger Goodell's asked the question about football in London. His answer has always been the same thing as soon as possible possible. He's invested in it. Somebody's GonNa realize there's money to be made over there. I think it's going to happen. I don't think so I just don't what's the biggest reason no I just. Don't I think that it's I don't think that it's like if players. I think it's going to be an issue from a player's standpoint coaches standpoint. I know then they gotta work all the other logistics financially taxes. All it's just a lot to just think that they're gonNA put team. They're one of the team if you look at the NBA. This is exactly how it started started with little spec then it grew and it grew and grew and the next thing you know the national champion the NBA Championship is in Canada. But come on be real. I am unreal championship New York Bush. Stop all right. Here's the head coach and one of the teams that goes over to London every year. The jags here's Doug marrone talking about nick. Foles was getting his job back looking back at all the work we put in and I just go back to the experience and what he's going to be able to do you know. I think that's going to give us the ability. A better chance of winning winning right now. Nick foles is in Garmin shoe is out Doug marrone made the right call taker shake it. Take a kid he made. The recall team makes the wrong call right. I mean it. That's exactly the way this thing is and I think they signed him. Nick foles all you gotTa do is follow the money. He's got all that money tide of about the city and they just gave him like ninety million dollars guaranteed chips not even close. I wouldn't get them if miss you for seven thousand dollars in one game but sometimes times the decision. I made the Russell Wilson Matt. Flynn is the ultimate example of that. Did they ask. All the Dow was a different type of money. Matt fleeing got fifteen million opposed to new Russell Wilson soumillion got five hundred thousand versus ninety million. I mean come on and by the way Nick Nick. Foles is probably just a better quarterback easy super bowl envy pal guy. He but more importantly the first series that he played in the game get hurt in. He was balling. Yeah he he doesn't deserve to lose his spot based on injury he just doesn't deserve by based on the edgy. But they're going to put him in because he's healthy and they paid him a bunch of money let's go to the NBA for our next one. Leonard is not gonNA play tonight against the box. The bucks are in town to take on the clippers. It is a bad look for Leonard to miss this game. Take it or shake it shake shake It's it's not a bad look for him. It's a bad look for the team in the League for him to miss the game. I mean he you know he's he's rested up. He he showed you what he can do with fifty games under his belt. He he's like I'm good but I think because you're talking on nationally televised game. You're talking about people looking forward to this. I actually thought my mind or my want to attend a clipper game at checkout against Janas. Yeah and then when L Z came in and told Oh me he's not playing well actually saw it last night come across the ticker but when he said it again this morning I was like. That's why he's not playing And so that's the part but that's not good. It's really tricky. Because I get what the clippers are doing. It worked for Toronto. Last year they managed to this lowland Israel whatever for lack of the game name right and it worked they won they won an NBA championship. But they're also is something about being a part of a collective in part of the collective is the NBA is. There are nationally televised games. There are Marquee Games. You are Leonard at worst as the second or third best player in this whole league. At worst Jaanus is the second or third or fourth best player in awesome. You play against each now. Is this good for the League. Clippers got who this back coming up. They've got Portland on Thursday. It is not as second end of a back act back. They play Wednesday and Thursday both at home but again you've got the reigning. Mvp You got the match up in the NBA or the Eastern Conference finals last year. And again I I see see I was at any minute. It looks bad for the League sitting in a bag game games under the guise of rats slash load management. And you. Have you played ten yet. So what are you doing. He's doing what he needs to do. In order to make sure guy remains fresh but but it's ridiculous to load managing less than ten games into the season. Especially when you got a guy in the other side of the building that's in his seventeenth season. That's played I never game so far that the juxtaposition of those two things real but I want is we want wants to play and they say no if I wanted to play why why would play. They're not going to say no. You can't please. No you know what I mean. Like Cou why would prefer to play. But they're like oh we're GonNa sit you hear. It's okay whatever this is the plan. Yeah but what is your commitment is your commitment to your team exclusively above all else or you also part of the NBA and this is good for the NBA to have this game. It's not an easy answer is because you're part of both Gregg. Popovich has been doing it for decades. And that's been Baloney. I almost said the other word. I almost said he dean Spanos work the the idea of will to do

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RTAB #130: Charlie Ebersol

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RTAB #130: Charlie Ebersol

"Contracts salary caps. Why do I were favorite teams make some of the moves? They do. It's usually the money. It's time for the business of sports with Andrew Brandt. And they're boys and girls walk into another dish into the business of sports with Andrew Brad special edition with Charlie Ebersol founder along with Bill Polian of the alliance for American football. Starting this week the new football league in the void that we have after the NFL season ended more on that a minute. The businesses sports podcasts is presented by bet. Online dot AG. There your online sportsbook experts. And of course, they're the exclusive partner podcast one sports net. Use the promo code podcast one yet fifty percent. Sign of bonus bed. Online dot AG. L start you out with my rants brands rants of the week. Couple of quick ones. I on the NBA what's going on with this trade deadline. I think it's fascinating that you have stars holding teams hostage like Anthony Davis than the New Orleans pelicans. What he's doing to me is fascinating as an expert in student on the business and legal issues in sports collective bargaining agreements, including especially. That of the NBA are designed with this in mind to keep stars where they are to keep them within our incumbent teams because players like Davis could make so much more money staying in New Orleans. Chris Bosh could made more money staying in Toronto. Lebron James, of course, could have made a lot more money. Staying in Cleveland the first time staying Miami. The second time staying in Cleveland, the second time and staying in Cleveland just now before he went to LA, but they leave and Kevin Durant. Of course could made a lot more money staying in Oklahoma City. Gordon Hayward Kalat made more money staying in Utah. This is what happened. So what did the CB? Do it even created more of a disparity with the supermax contracts? So here we are with Anthony Davis if he stays end size in extension with the pelicans could make two hundred forty million dollars as life changing wealth beyond anyone could ever expect as an athlete. But now look what he could do. Turning his back on that. He threw his agent a city wants out specifically to Lakers. And of course, we're going through Mackin nations. Now, the trade in the Lakers are offering up all their spare parts all their young players all the draft picks taking on bed contracts, the whole deal still no deal. But as we sit here today as I record on Wednesday twenty four hours before the NBA trade that line where it looks like the talks are off. I say talks will be back on. I say this deal happens. There's too much in the air about it does happen. But the bigger picture from a legal point of view is the CBS creates all these incentives to keep players where they are. And it's not working. It's not working the players leaving to play better places for them to have more opportunities to win to go to the big markets. So the next CBA is going to have to address this in. How do you dress Delta's in my class? I teach sports laud Villanova. Why ruin program? How do you do that and students came up with well had a hard cap because then if you're paying? You know, play if he will that won't help New Orleans because a hard cap they can pay Davis is much they want, but they're going to be very limited. Otherwise, another idea take one player out of the cap again, you could do that you could out even more financial incentives for players to stay where they are. But the financial incentives aren't the deal because Anthony Davis turnings back on. I don't seventy eighty ninety hundred million dollars by going elsewhere. But yes, people note, they make so much shoot contracts that make so much outside their such factors in all sports that these superstars run it that they're dictating terms. Now, some do stay James harden signs of supermax in Houston, Steph curry, of course, Senan supermax in Golden State. But you know, these these players are able to do this. So I think it's fascinating. I don't know the answer. But think about it if your listeners something intriguing to think about and let me know your thoughts. What do you do to keep stars worthy? They are if they don't wanna stay money doesn't do it alone. And even these wide disparities of money, sixty eight hundred nine dollars on my God. It's not working something to think about. The other ran to the week is obviously we just had the Super Bowl couple things on the Super Bowl. First of all the rating or one hundred million dollar one hundred million people. It sounds like it's down for saying. It's down when a lowest approval ratings in recent years, give me a break to get to get a hundred million people to watch anything in this day and age with thousands of content. Choices is amazing to me that they got one hundred million be able to watch and it's a bad game. It was not a good game in all these casual fans that are watching the didn't go away. No, they're super parties in blah, blah, blah, but they stayed with it. So that's a fascinating fact to me that they stayed with the game. Even though it was not a good game. And the other thing about the ratings. It did a forty four Sharon L A, which was under the forty five share nationally at gets expected. LA's no matter how good their team is. It's LA. You know, people are going to do other things even for Super Bowl with their extensively their team. Although their team is still new to them. I was a little more surprised. People talk about a fifty seven share in Boston. It sounds like a great share. But my questions will what are the other four forty three percent of TV's watching forty three percent of TV's in Boston or not watching the patriots in the Super Bowl that shocked me? So that was interesting. The other thing is on the game itself. Again, coulda gone either way people talk if the patriots dominated the game. I don't think. So I think the Rams were right there in laws. But now we have to folks on the patriots. What they've done is amazing. I talk about sports law sports business in this world where it is competitive balances everything in sports were all these rules and regulations are designed to achieve competitive. Balance parody is what I call it like a reverse order draft like three agency. And of course, the salary cap. The patriots have thrived and their run of sustained success as compelling. It's something to admire you, look at it in basketball, San Antonio Spurs. They're just very few teams. We try we tried to do that in. Football as the Packers. I think we were closed, but the patriots -bility to win throughout all these restrictions is uncanny. They just seem to be now. They're lucky in that the dolphins. The jets in the bills have not been formidable opponents. They started every year five and one six in our form to whatever it is basically looking at the games they're going to win. Yeah. That's good. That's a nice start. And of course, Tom Brady taking less money. That's not the mystery that he does. Of course, he does a documented that many times the question is why in the mystery behind it. We may never know. I don't think as simple as having a rich wife. I don't think it's as simple as trying to help out the team. I don't get it. He's got a good agent. He's competitive guy, but he takes so much less than market level quarterbacks at his top tier again. So that's my rent the week. It's about the strange doings in the NBA. With stars dictating terms. I predicted deal with the pelicans Anthony. To the Lakers will happen. 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How it came to be who's involved their relationship with the NFL or lack thereof their relationship with the XFL or lack thereof with. They're paying players with the value of these teams are whose owns them. Without further ado, the chairman and founder co founder of the alliance for American football new football league starting this week Charlie ever saw. Charlie. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me. I'm going to give you an open landscape. Tell us how the af came to be and how you are looking to fill are. Void of us wanting more football and going through this withdrawal after the Super Bowl. This status Sunday in America's no longer going to have to be sad. Indeed. You're correct about three years ago or little over three years ago. I the thirty thirty about the XFL about my dad and Vince, creating a lead together and during the course of it. I spent a lot of time looking at the papers and the numbers, and what they made and what it worked not work, and Tom V who was the head of business operations today for me, and the X af was the general manager of your landed him XFL, and he went on to help create the US L the United soccer league and use a us president in the MLS for quite some time. And he and I spent a lot of time during the filming of the documentary talking about if you were going to do this again, how you do it and out of those conversations over about six months. We developed a business that was a interesting business model if you focus not just football, but on technology and. If you could build something larger than just something for football. And then I went to my father. And I said, look, the only thing that matters is quality football. You can have all you're going to business model in the world. But if you're probably football this matter who do you think can help do that. And he said, well, I think you need to go talk to Bill Polian and see what he thinks if it's viable or even a good idea. And I called Bill and said, you know, you willing to sit down and he said, yeah, when had breakfast with them for about five hours and after the breakfast, I called my father, and I said so Bill not only thinks it's a good idea. He wants to co found it with me. What do you think? And my dad said, look if you go pulling the greatest team builder of the modern era of professional sports, do it and from there, I moved forward, and we went off, and we see went and built a cadre of coaches, and general managers that have combined refined hundred years of NFL experience Twenty-one Super Bowls, untold number of college national championships. And we on my. That went on to raise money in Silicon Valley from technical from tech investors around the idea that we're going to not only launch a football league route and build his Texas that had you -bility really in our view revolutionize how data's captured and sent from from sports games to everyone from gambling to daily fantasy to medical to all the areas with data really hasn't been able to be done and this Saturday, we will launch the first game of the alliance of American football and alongside at launch an app that for the first time in professional sports history will be truly fully realtime. Meaning we'll deliver data and under four hundred milliseconds which is under half a second. And a lot of people to play in game guessing plays play the play. And then part of that is our partnership with MGM which ultimately not on day one, but ultimately will allow fully Indian betting, which has never exist. Before. So much unpack here. But since you mentioned, let's stay on the path and differentiator you're talking about with real time data and analytics explain how that will work, and how that differentiates you from the NFL in terms of coming up right away with this real time data and analytics what kind of things will be shown and how will your interact. Well, first and foremost, one of the things that we focused on was the fact that if you started from scratch if you didn't have all of the antiquated technology that's been built on top of on top of on top over the last couple of decades. If you start from scratch, you could eliminate a lot of challenges one of the major challenges is that the capture of the data using chips on the players and software and other analytics, the capture of that data and delivery to the end user right now takes anywhere from ten to thirty seconds, which basically eliminates ability betting as one example, because it's basically like you're in the movie the sting someone sitting in the stadium with their cell phone is way ahead of what you're seeing on television. Or what you're seeing and stack cast or game cast or any of these data delivery devices, and so we focused first and foremost, narrowing that down as low as got his two hundred milliseconds, then we created smart, chips and smart software, which puts machine learning and. And artificial intelligence around that data to be able to create predictive analytics, we call it pre-cast. So with pre cast were able to tell you the likelihood of them running to the right or thrones laughing running down the middle cetera et cetera. We create a game that is not a gambling game. It's just a fun to play him on our up on day one where you can guess is ultimately that will evolve through our partner, I'm Jim into an engaging betting pot from where you can take God's play to play. You seem to be focused on the gambling side. And again, the NFL starting to brace that it is a tricky dance with their integrity arguments. You you sound like you're all in, and you know, what an incredible fan page tool. That gambling is. You know gambling to absorb. We're not a gambling company executives and reason the NFL isn't which is we don't wanna take bets on games that would obviously create all kinds of integrity issues. The other thing about gambling, which I don't think it's talked about very much. But I think is the real challenge for both the NFL, and I think for us as well is that football is the only true for quadrant piece of entertainment, the United States. Mom, dad billion sue all watch football in almost equal parts. Sending in football is about forty eight fifty two fifty to forty eight male female in its breakdown when you look at age demographics. It's pretty even across all four quadrants. The challenge dot creates her gambling the gambling really skews male excuse male, eighteen thirty six so you have to figure out a way to create engagement around that that is much much closer to what the beer ship as otherwise your primary engagement device which is going to be gambling potentially is going to undermine. What is your single biggest advantage, which is that you have as? Almost as many women and children watching as you do men with football, which no other piece of entertainment enjoys. So I think that will we tried to focus on is how do you build a standardized data collection company that can then create solutions for all types of engagement because what you know fantasy is a much closer male female split then daily fantasy and and daily fantasy is more is still more evenly numbered the gambling. So how do you create products out of that that get, you know, mom billion sued? It'd be as interesting dabs. And in that situation, we think that by creating a standard set that we've built and then giving people the ability to build on top of it or partners like MGM, but also our fantasy partners drills are medical partners as well as our our mobile game partners. We think is really important. It's one of the reasons that on Saturday the product you actually, see when you see the real-time animation is animated in. The way it looks closer to like Madden meets angry birds than it is something that heavily male skewing because we wanted to be game to feel consumable by everybody given that it's the first time ever in professional sports history anyone's ever been able to see the data in real time. Fascinating. I want to peel back a little bit Charlie with your name being royalty in sports broadcasting. Of course, your father dick ever saw and your connection. Now, of course with Bill Polian. Speaking of royalty certainly NFL royalty. I know Bill well from my time in the NFL might timeliest PIN. So I know this is how you're gonna answer this question. Which is we're not competing with the NFL. We're all we're all in with the NFL. But explain the relationship if you will. Because again, you've also mentioned the XFL in relationships back in the day, and that's coming again later. So talk about how you're gonna work with alongside the NFL, and whether you are planning on having any competition with them. Well, when you talk with the NFL used to talk about the ecosystem of football, right? So two hundred million people watch football professional include between the middle of August. And in the middle of February. And then eighty million people stop watching sports altogether until football comes back so football is this galvanizing moment in America that only exists for six months and then for another six months ago. However, the difference between college football and professional Ables really significant the speed of the play the quality of the play the size of the players the development of the players physically. Mentally etcetera is such that there's a very big up twenty six thousand kids graduates visual one football every year in the United States and only about two hundred of them that are given the NFL or shot at in the NFL. So the marketplace has arbitrage around fans, but also charge around players now football is also the only. Sport that doesn't have a developmentally every other every other league in all sports has a developmentally. I mean, everything from NASCAR to hockey to baseball soccer basketball, everyone you can play that sport in multiple places except football. Right. And so what we look at is. How do you support the ecosystem of football from a developmental standpoint? Making the game better by putting more players in finding the Kurt Warner's that are hiding their those twenty five thousand kids each year that don't contract to the NFL finding those guys, but also developing all the aspects around football. So what does that mean? I mean, I've eighty-five referees. That are being overseeing my Perot and dean blend, you know, underneath them of those eighty five referees thirty of them are currently in the NFL ODP process, which is process to prepare referees to be officials in the NFL. So then this normally takes twelve years in our system, it could take a little as four we're looking at can you fly skycam over the defense something the NFL's never allowed, but we can develop that and take a look at our data collection system. Our health care system, all of these things support the NFL and professional football in general making better part of that is because I'm like, everyone is tried to do this before me the big difference reunites and all those people have similar. We are the NFL not how different. We are everybody, you know, the XFL tried to replace the coin toss with scramble and all these other kind of marketing gimmicky catchy things at all. The other leagues have done. We've gone. The other way, we only have nine or ten changes in the entire NFL rulebook and our rule book because we won players build a complaint are the we give them an NFL out. So during our season and go back to the NFL that has led to a very positive relationship with the NFL. The reason why we've nineteen of our forty three games are going to be on an NFL network. It's why we sent seventy-one players to the NFL in the last six months. It's white thirty five of them have been released to come back and play for us underneath that NFL out contract. We created we look at this as being a very significant partnership in being complementary. And I think that's also the thing that differentiates us from everyone. That's trying has tried to before. And is trying to do. Now is look at who he brought into Bill Polian. Mike Marge, Mike symbol -tary. Tripod? Malo Hines words Willie Lanier. These are. These are lead not only legends of the game. But they're deeply deeply route as the NFL. And ultimately, I believe that it is to work. You've got to have quality football that quality football players have to feel safe to complain your league and be able to go back and play in the NFL. Tell me about player economics, three or contracts. I've heard with an out towards the NFL and tell me about numbers is their salary cap. Are there standard contracts every player signs is there any room for negotiation every player in the league signs of three or contract with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars seventy thousand the first year eighty second one hundred third in addition to that contract, they signed a commercial license agreement which affords them the ability to earn bonuses for on field performance. If you're an offensive player in the offense scored a touchdown. You get a bonus at your team wins. You've got a bonus. If you do charity work, you get a bonus. If you your team sells the jersey you get a bonus. So on top of the non-guaranteed seventy thousand dollar contract this year, you probab- and on top of it. We give you a one year scholarship wherever year you plan our lead to post secondary. Education. So we look at this as being a financially adventitious you make the most money in our league of any available turnip league. It's in the marketplace right now. And if you're a very successful player in our league at getting Twitter, followers, doing charity work etcetera. You can make more money above it. And then like I said before we offered NFL outs. The player can leave our leading play in the NFL if the chance arises for them, and that's completely. I guess unfettered. I mean, I know you're number one draft pick overall. Josh Johnson went right to the NFL. And I believe he's going to stay there with the Redskins. So is there any? You don't put any kind of fence in front of a player that has a chance to go. The NFL's, correct. Well, they can't go to the NFL during our season. So between December twenty ninth April twenty nine th they have to plan our league because that and that is probably the biggest reason why we don't distinguish ourselves as developmental league. Because obviously AAA baseball the players can get pulled, you know, during a game pulled up we don't allow that. But if you look at the seventy-one players that we really the NFL could Josh being the best example, we also have guys like your Gilbert who we allowed to go to the NFL he played for the Panthers. And then he came back. And now he's starting quarterback for the Orlando team. That's a perfect example of a player who could have stayed in the NFL but chose to complain early because he thinks he can greatly improved his positioning in the NFL by getting reps in a pro style. Offense on national on multiple national television stations, including the NFL network and CBS and Turner and improve his position in the NFL, and we support that because ultimately look worm. Kurt Warner is the ultimate example of the validity of winning alternatively could be if the business model was predicated on something bigger. Just selling tickets hotdogs. So we've talked about player economics. Tell us about league economics who has ownership value in these teams is it always it through the league is is I'm understanding. These teams are not with quote, unquote, owners, correct? Crack it's a single entity. So all teams are owned by the league, all of the players are fulltime employees of which is Howard able to offer such such exceptional medical coverage for them and their families as well as 4._0._1._K's and all the other benefits that they get. They're all employees of league, all the coaches, all the executives all the general managers. Everyone is an employee of league. And then there them their various teams. Yeah. This is familiar. I was the first show manager of the Barcelona dragons of the NFL a world league. That's how we operate as well. On the. The investment. So I know you may not be privy to tell me, you know, names of investors. But the sounds like it's it's quite a venture. So is this something you mentioned sort of your tech background and knowing people out in Silicon Valley seem like a big raise was it. And. How is this league being funded or is it fully funded? We raised a significant portion of our money from Silicon Valley and a lot of that was around the idea of building technology platform that had total control over sports leagues. So you could actually do it. Because if you look at data capture and all these other things one of the challenges that the leagues have a lot of his historical debt. Meaning they've been building technology type of technology. So they've got all of that antiquated tech, then they have players unions, then they have existing media deals, and then on top of all of that they have just the institutional challenges pushing things through sixty seventy eighty one hundred year old businesses. So we looked at what major league baseball advanced media, did bam and said what they succeeded doing they corralled all the digital rights from all thirty teams, and then they built, but if they'd been able to corral all the rights cross the league imagine what they would have been able to build their and the fact that bam sold for four and a half billion dollars right around the same time. I was raising my money helps significantly. I mean, just saw where the opportunity was my my set of relationships, particularly at the league, you know, Commissioner levels Roger Goodell's Adam, silver's, etc. Was helpful and helping technologist understand how that relationship between us and those leagues ultimately would prevail. Because we're not just looking for consumer adoption of our technology. We're looking for proving our technology for commercial relationships for the leagues to be able to buy our data set like MGM did and invest in the way that I'm Jim did is sort of proof in the pudding. We also raised our money over the course of several rounds. So that we could diversify the type of investors. So we started with Silicon Valley we added onto so valley with investors like I'm Jeb we brought on high net. Investors we brought on current and former team owners from multiple different leagues we brought on athletes. Shaquille O'Neal being a great example of one of our bigger name celebrity investors that was all by design because as the company grew like any technology evaluation. Company went up when we're able to sell significantly larger state, excuse me, smaller sticks to company for larger sums of money. And look this is a massive investment. You're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars over the first five or six years ago this business out, and so you have to show them multiple ways in which they can get their money out of this. Because obviously people have attempting to do this run football have not succeeded in the past. And so how do you create that environment where they feel like they're gonna succeed the technology to media development, all the things we're building which are all on by the parent company. They're investing in it least gives them some level of comfort. Yeah. It's interesting. You mentioned shack another names, I know, a friend of mine Justin tux involved as well is the role model just because can I went to college together Notre Dame we had like eight classes together. And I think I often like six of them. So whenever I'm trying to do something big. I need to have you know, smarter people around me and a smarter Notre Dame graduates. Always a good place to start. You mentioned briefly something your father was very involved in. And obviously, I can't I'd be remiss to not bring it up. The XFL is coming back twenty twenty. They obviously have serious investment as well. Probably in-house investment more than anything else from WWE in Vince McMahon. I'm assuming you're three or contracts do not allow an out to the XFL which begins in the year. And how do you look at them coming on the vigil landscape as well as you wanted a great benefits of having five hundred years of NFL experience among my executives that I have of 'bout Twenty-one Super Bowl rings amongst them. And the guys that have the ring tell me that the way they won the rings was knows years where the years they didn't concentrate on the competition. They just concentrate on themselves, and they built the team as the only competition they had themselves and all the years that they lost Super Bowls didn't go to this years. They were focused on the competition. We don't believe we add competition. We are launching in twenty nineteen no one else's launching an alternative football league. This year. Nobody else has television deals. Nobody else has the coaches. Nobody else has GM's. Nobody else has a co founder who has built football. Not only football teams in football leagues in the past who's a hall of Famer. So we don't we don't look at what other people are trying to do. We only look at what we are actually doing a lot of people have talked about launching. I'll turn a lot of people talking about massive investments very few of ever gotten to the starting line. And nobody's at the starting line with us today. Will you let players leave for a league beyond the NFL assuming the answer is. No, no, no, no, our contract only allows players leave for the NFL. So we're would apply if player a year from now wants to go to the NFL what would happen. He's under a multi contract us. He couldn't okay. Have you worked for ESPN you three or contract with ESPN? Good ESPN up the first year and say, hey, I want to go work for CBS. What does he has a good luck? No, no, I get they say we've been backing me. Here's the thing. We're not paying to develop players to go for another league. The NFL is a is a partner the NFL is the ultimate goal. The NFL players could go make millions of dollars. We're not going to stand in the way of them doing that. But we're not gonna develop players for a different league. That makes absolutely no business talk briefly. If you would in final minutes here with with Charlie ever saw a f- starting this weekend would. Talk about the team's star players what we look for opening weekend from the F. They're going to be some really interesting names that come up. I mean, there's the names of people know, Trent Richardson and Birmingham Aaron Murray and Atlanta Zach Menton burger and Christian hackenberg in in Memphis. And then their names that I think people don't know like the middle linebacker in in San Diego Tupelo who I think is going to be a star based on what we saw training camp. He's really good player in preseason. He's in on every tackle. He has a kind of pro Palmolive style of play. He just always seems to be where the ball is. I think you're gonna see guys over the course of the season are starting to build their names build their brands. But also, I think what you're going to see the quality of play the people haven't seen before in this integration. We did. We had all eight teams play preseason games last week, and we did a full production complement, and everyone we had sixteen NFL scouts there. We had a dozen of the sports bookmakers from everyone from MGM to Golden Gate etcetera. And the one thing that came back was that the quality of. Play was so surprising, which you know, I guess it shouldn't be surprising. When you consider. How many players are getting really really good training in college. Based on how these programs have become, you know, multimillion dollar programs that didn't exist as recently as when the XFL seventeen years ago, but I'm surprised how quickly the tapped into the pro-style systems. Now, the fact that seventy percent of our players played the NFL not eighteen months does help significantly. But we'll see I think people will be pleasantly surprised that when the Super Bowl went off the air three months ago. Football didn't have to end and CBS you mentioned CBS sports network as well as the main network NFL network a digital presence, where can people view it? You can watch on. You can watch on CBS opening night. Heavy ninth. We'll have two games if you're in the SEC country, you'll see the Atlanta versus Orlando game. If you're on the rest of the country. 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Hour 2: Wright Thompson

"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Can you guys help me with something here because I honestly don't know the rules on this. I'm watching the television, David Irving, if you're not familiar is a football player quit on Instagram yesterday. Pretty quick pro football saying I love football, but the NFL's not football, and he did so while smoking blunt or what appeared to be a blunt, but I just saw it on television. And it was pixelated the smoking of the blunt was pixellated which sort of defeats the purpose of playing the video a bit. I don't understand why we need to camouflage that whatever the audio. What are the rules though? I mean, you shouldn't show drugs and on daytime television. And oh, no you shouldn't. I mean, if it's news, it's not like drugs. It's not like a soap operas choosing to put it in a script. You shouldn't show. Somebody who is making news by smoking marijuana. Speaking into a camera and retiring from football, that's not something we should show is not clear that it's marijuana. What's I understand the payoff? What you want you voyeur you? It's an abundance of caution. And we saw the same thing. When when the dolphin assistant coach was in a video snorting something that everybody knew was cocaine and let her later proved to be cocaine, but initially everybody had to refer to it as a white substance is same thing. Here the world needs an influence her that can go to. ESPN and perhaps do so right now, I don't know if he can do it alone. He's going to need a mega Sar someone with a high Q rating that's internationally known to do a story on marijuana to break down some of these boundaries perhaps in a state where it's legal. Well, funny. You should say that because I have no idea. I haven't talked to anybody about this yet. We've got this other television show the art of conversation. The first one was on Pat Riley, the next one's on Mike Tyson. And I honestly don't know Mike, whether I'm going to be able to get away with how we started it. Which is we are driving to a cannabis music festival where he is the guy who is selling cannabis legally through a business venture. And he he is who he Mike Tyson. Actually, the thing that I was saying. Wow. Wow. Oriented should have spoke up on this sooner. Yeah. Am I going put on put it on the poll? I'd be curious am I going to be able to get the introduction of that television show to be Mike Tyson smoking marijuana on television as I introduced him? I going to be able to do that. Yes. Or no. There's obviously precedent. You can't as long as it's pixel every gun because that will ruin it late. The hell I wouldn't want to do it that way they made a decision. Look they made a decision on the Pat Reilly thing, Pat Riley. Did that interview in his socks? I wanted to leave that in there with him in his socks because it conveyed comfort. They didn't want the casualness of sock. Okay. Hold on update. I'm now seeing video. I'm seeing the video and there's the chance that they're just pixel leading the the Instagram users names right now because there was other social media stuff on there that wasn't pixellated the hearts and stuff. We're coming up because the J or the alleged Jay is towards the bottom of the screen, and when you watch Instagram live, that's where most of the comments, are it also should be noted that this isn't just some weird inspiration that struck David Irving, it might be, but we should mention he was spended indefinitely by the NFL, which might have pushed him towards this decision. I am asking you guys. The question though. I don't know what the rules are to smoking on television. You don't see people smoking anything on television. Do you only Shannon Sharpe? For whatever reason. Well, you can smoke black and mild with no problem. But I want you guys to explain this sending someone explained that to help me with all of this. Because I want to understand all of it. Stephen a Smith comes on the set of I take and he's got a victory cigar when the Cowboys looms. But he does not light it up. He will not like that cigar up. And if you guys remember the original incarnation of sports writers on television. It was Rick talent her and like six guys sitting around the table. And all they were doing was smoking. They were smoking these giant cigars, really. Yes. That's that was the advent of sports writers on television. It's not right. It was either bad or sports reporters. But I think this show was the first one with Rick talent. Right. Right. Well, the the millennials in the next room. Probably don't even remember when cigarette advertising was not only acceptable, but proliferated television. I mean that was like the main thing you saw cigarette ads the Winston man and all that. And now it's for boating. Bob Bowman Marlboro, man. But the Winston guy to right. Was there a Winston, man? I don't know it. He just do that was that is pivot. Was there? Winston win. Tastes good. Like a cigarette. Should that was the jingle in a big guy in a horse? In fact, I think the Winston man predated, the Marlboro man, I think Marlboro man was a rip off of the Winston raw say that. Yes. The Winston man, wait a minute. So the Winston man was first, but he is the less. He's not remembered there's Winston men more than one. Yeah. David Gorlitz is the most famous Winston, man. And then Alan Landers was also known as a Winston Jameis Winston came along. He wouldn't successful BOTAS. That is such a tire joke by you've been doing it for forty years. At one time. You heard that Kornheiser Korangi that does that all the time where the joke is just to name other people love Kornheiser sense of humor. He's one of my heroes in the business guys. I have as you know, ESPN does have journalistic arm, and I have heard from my boss' in Bristol that it is only pixelated because of the social media comments at the bottom of the screen were said alleged Jay is also place. It is not pixelated because it is indeed in the ledge. So yes, or no I'm going to be able to get Mike Tyson smoking marijuana at the start of this show. Yes, or no, make sure you don't have any social media comments at the bottom of the screen. My question was he smoking legally in a state that allows us then it should be loved. Arbitrary is. All is correct. That is correct. My grind we have been really stupid without drug policy in the NFL and the NHL for a really long time. Yes, it is remarkably stupid because there was he where was talking. Well, he was smoking in California. Oh, good. Because it's not in Miami. Because we all know that you can't do drugs in Miami. Because line was drawn on a map. I I don't understand. No, no money. Why can Shannon Sharpe smoke on another? Good question. Because no one's watching Ken Stephen Smith light the cigar on I take. Yes, or no. Is it allowed is the endorse? Is that the problem? I thought he was outdoors in Dallas and smoke indoors yet. That's New York law. You can't smoke just as Shannon Sharpe smoke. If no one can see it. Wait a minute. That's just a New York LARs at a law all all around the country. I just know as New York laws state law. It is so arbitrary you can smoke here, but you can't smoke there. You could have sex at this age here, but you can't have sex at this age there. We can have a brothel over here on this land. But not over here. What if you're smoking marijuana while literally straddling the state line where one foot is an estate where it's legal and one foot is in a state where it isn't what side of your mouth is marijuana on. It's right on the state line is right in the middle. Technology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. Let's rats Janet's fangs did she lose up that with a weed whacker? Oh. Sint wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more liberty card who's the second most famous Frank Frankenstein. Stugatz. Pretty good. It's also not as name, right? In front do. Friends do. Frankie these live at our show with to God's on ESPN radio. How do we honor? What is it six time executive of the year? Bill Polian is his leaving ESPN. Now. How do we honor Bill Polian on a distinguished career? The rare post executive career that ends up in a successful television career. Do we have we empty the Bill in full there? Hey, so we're going to empty the Bill Polian folder here as an honor. Bill Polian is now leaving ESPN who's announced that Mike. So that I don't get anything wrong. SPN has credible source. Okay. I don't believe him. So Bill Polian is done with his gas bagging career. And you say that lovingly because we're all gas. Well, guess what you refer to everybody in the industry. I don't want this to be misconstrued. I need still explain that I refer to myself as chief gas bag. Okay. Everyone else can line up behind me. We think we're offending the immortal. Bill Polian by calling him a gas bag when he's a gas bag on the scouting combine like the other gas bags regardless. Let's empty the Bill Polian. File hear the sound that we have. Let's just empty the library. That's it at as our Bill Polian. Folder, isn't there? A longer isn't a attribute isn't there? A long. Isn't there a lot? Are you looking for context? Yes. I was I thought I didn't think that that would be. I self in the library thought that we listen. I. Yes, please. Give me some context. I didn't realize we're doing like the spelling bee where I need to hear it in a sentence. I built a dolphins have the most picks in the top one hundred. I'm sure you know, that and the fan base is not terribly confident and the guy in charge of making those picks. What advice would you give to Jeff Ireland? Sound of the day is brought to you by my computer career. He d you rain for a better life. All right. Hold on there. A number of funny things about that clip. Now, hashtag bills mafias coming at me in the single worst. Most pathetic rivalry week could have with what have you one? What have you one in Miami? So bills Bobby is coming up. But this is a question Stu gods acting like seven general managers ago, the one who has does Brian of his mother was browsed through this sound is super old. We went to Bill Polian for now. This is what we got. I bel- the dolphins have the most picks in the top one hundred. I'm sure you know, that and the fan base is not terribly confident and the guy in charge of making those aches, what advice would you give to Jeff Ireland? All right. This is the question. I have me. I wanna I wanna analyze the sound a little more. And I want to ask you guys this question, and Mike you are the best for end sky. We've got when it comes to is the hypothesis. I'm about to give you on sound, correct. Where you can hear it the beginning. Bill Polian sort of feeling a little scratchy and in the middle. You can hear him. Also in the middle pushing back and trying to muffle it all down and ends up making it worse. Can you? Indeed here in the ambient sound Bill Polian. Trying to muzzle that cough. I build the dolphins have the most picks in the top one hundred. I'm sure you know, that and the fan base is not terribly confident and the guy in charge of making those pigs. So what advice would you give to Jeff Ireland? He took a breath. He was finding it. And then he took another breath right after I feel like his chest was swelling with with air and flam, and whatever it is. That was going to come up there. I just want. So I'm right. I've got the rare time where I'm not hearing things incorrectly. And you you nailed it there. All right. Well, I think that is the best way for us to honor the career of Bill Polian here at ESPN bone voyage. Nobody better. Nobody cough better. Well, maybe you actually, Mike. Let's see we've got a library of Greg. Cody costs back there. Greg, cody. And we're a little alarmed by this as he has been co coughing around here for the better part of eight months. I if any of you have any suggestions on what we can do about that he has been seeing doctors I made a great a grave mistake. Apparently, there's another Bill Polian file here that I need to play. I misspelled it. When I when I labeled it, and I did some digging. So I found this other one unique to have fire in your belly. You need to have work ethic in your heart and your mind. I'm glad that you interrupted everything that we were doing to make sure that that particular portion of the library was cleaned up. Thanks. Fine. Billy sounds bed. It is abysmal helps. Yeah. Yeah. Fire in the belly. It put it on the poll. Please gear fire in the belly. Good thing or bad. Have you seen? What happens Pepito Bismah when touched with fire turns into metal. Wow. Oh my God. Is that right? Yeah. I think I don't think. That's right. No. I think so think it curdled into an aluminum of some sort. Oh and believe so can you get the Cody coughing file plays? Because if we can get him to laughing hill start coughing, more and more. If you have the Cody coughing file, Cody just gave the highest honor you can give a coffee by saying. That's as good as anyone can cause when it guest when when he mentioned Bill Polian because he really did just rusted into the telephone. He's one of the all-time great. So if you could just play for us a Greg Cody coughing fit. I would appreciate that. And I I am a little embarrassed that we continue to be paid for this. Brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking. Offering a cash you. I mean, there's four things here. Hang on. All right. That's fine. I'll wait for all of them. He's coughing while this coughing is going on because when he starts laughing. He starts coughing. Give me another one to get you the right suit at the right fit for the right occasion. So I guess I was a coughing fit during a live raid. Well, there was not my best. Well, there there is one where he says that he's fine. And he's clearly not fine after coughing for the better part of four segments across four segments. He's having a great deal of difficulty with this. Let me the third file. That's the one. That's what I enter into the contest. All right one. That's the hall of fame. I wanna hear that one. Go up against the Polian. And I defy anyone to pick a winner. This moves of Saleh's Silat is an active ingredient in pet though bismuth bismuth is a metal one eighth of that compound. I honestly didn't understand the I sixteen syllables. You said I thought you were doing a show in a totally different language. Wait till I play this back to you. There is no way that that sounded to anybody like English. There's just no it couldn't have their twenty syllabi thought he was butchering Pepco Bismah. That's what I thought that was at the beginning. It's science, Dan. What is the name of? What is the name of the ingredient biz move sub Saleh's Silje? He goes on tight donlevatar when I played little league baseball. There was that one game. I hit a grand slam. It was bad and clean up for Adler drugs. The wreck sauce saying the Holly. He would Santana or at the time. Had a headline the next day in the paper that said cody's, slam paces drugs. I five stugatz. You know, I've been there abandoned, the mountaintop, see, Dan, we've all been there. Everyone's been there in their own little way, we have grant slam Cody, slam pieces drugs headlines DC's Libertad show with his two guys on ESPN radio. Mike grind is excited. He is pumping a fist because the giants have traded Olivier Vernon to the Cleveland Browns. Not the trade that I was hoping for with the giants. But as a good trade that defensive line pretty good young and good, right? Thompson is with us. Now, every time this guy writes anything, it's something you should be reading. And so he decided to tackle for ESPN the magazine ESPN dot com. The combine right? Thank you. As always for making time for us. Why did you decide to do this? What was the impetus? Well, you know, you, and I are both friends with lots of people cover the NFL, and they always talk about the combat and just how ridiculous it is. And they always come back and telling hilarious stories. So I just was like I gotta go to this thing and follow you guys around. And see what this is about re literally a simple that. I mean, I went in all week people like what are you writing? And I was like, I don't know. 'cause prove just as like, I'm just going to go to this thing and see how. Well, the the thing. I always find interesting to tackle is sort of are these guys who are picking players are they actually able to be more scientific about this than we are are is it an ability going to the combine and those guys spending all that money to go to the combine does one guy sees something that the guy next to him is not seeing. No. And a lot of them aren't even watch it. I mean, it kind of ridiculous. I mean, the combine it is the bachelor for football. It is much closer to the bachelor than the Super Bowl. I mean, it's just. People like to watch it. And so they broadcasted and so these guys have to do it. But nobody is serious about player evaluation really thinks that they're learning anything really that seems stunning that like anything you're saying, it's all an exercise instability that it's just an expense an expense account party. I'm saying that the drills are they learn the medicals are invaluable. I think and they really do some teams do interviews better than others. But the interviews are, you know, when they start trying to make a list of what can we get here that we can't get somewhere else that we don't already know it's face to face interaction. And it's like the sort of the idea of WADA sixteen scouts go to say, Texas, ADM's pro day when those things are streamed on the internet seems like it'd be a lot better off sending scouts to hang out in college bars and talk to bartenders and go to the police station, and like run, names and social security. The numbers through databases than having stop watches. I mean, I just think you'd be a lot better off. If you went and found political op like APO research guys who were tired of that game and high them to be scouts right for anybody. Who hasn't read your article yet? What are the indications of debauchery the idea that to a lot of coaches and executives the combine is pretty much just a four or five day vacation the article the headline, incidentally, steak booze and a sense of dull dread. Here's what really happened at the NFL combine. It. I mean, it's an insurance convention in Las Vegas where some of the insurance salesman are on TV a lot. I mean, this is exciting. Yeah. No, really. I mean, that's what it is. It's like it's like a bunch of lawyers going to Kabo except that some of these lawyers are on TV. I mean, like, it's just you know, it's the regular amount of nuts. I mean, it's not like, you know, it's not a den avatar Friday night. I mean, it's like more like, you know, it's just it. It's everybody's real drunk and eating real big stakes and charging that that is my Friday night. What are you talking about Monday night? It's morning to. Yeah. What did you? What did you learn the or find interesting about it that you didn't know going in right that I mean things to make like an I am making fun of you know, this entire thing. But what the most interesting thing I've found out is that it's not like NFL teams are dumb. And that baseball teams are smart. It's not that at all. It's what they are trying to figure out is so much more complicated than what baseball teams are trying to figure out because baseball stops for a moment. And there is this dual hardwired into the game. I mean Clayton Kershaw with eight little leaguers could get them out against the New York Yankee, it's just the way the game. And what's amazing to me is that what the NFL has to figure out so much more complicated onto level one. You're all these guys move in concert with each other. So it's not like someone individual talent is is just is like a permanent thing. They're always a ninety seven. They are bad and some guys might be better or worse. Depending on who's around them. And why and what kind of moods all of those people are in. So it's a it's really complex human behavior stuff. They're trying to figure out and the answers they won't are inside of people. But they don't know how to get them. So they know they won't in every NFL team knows that they won't what is inside of Tom Brady. But when he was coming out of Michigan. None of those teams how to tell if he had it or not. And that's the fall of the draft. I mean team six in the first two rounds when teams are drafting quarterbacks according to that this really great book. I just read about Michael Barr with a bunch of different NFL teams. You guys probably gone. And like, they're there's they succeed forty percent of the time and hate to find success. As is a starter. Who wins games sort of wins more than he loses not play offs? Not anything like that. That's just a success in the first two rounds teams hit forty percent of the time. And the numbers go down after that. It'd be better off with me and you flipping coins. Like, they just are the whole process cannot reveal the one thing they most mostly to know. And instead of just letting them sitting room with indianap- in Indianapolis with all these guys and really talk to them and try to figure it out. They haven't them run for yard dashes when they already know if they're fast or not. I mean, the whole thing is not only stupid it is actively stopping them from potentially answering some of the questions they actually need to know. Just so dolphins fans or whoever can watch it on TV and act like they're in the process. It's actually nuts when you break down. What actually going on? You should read the article he has been dot com. ESPN the magazine. Right Thomson with us the author, right? Did you observe at the combine whether anybody was in particular taking extra series like wondering, whether a newcomer to the lead like Mike mayo transitioning from TV, and at his first combine as the raiders general managers is they're taking copious notes while everybody else is wearing a party yet. Well, what's really funny is? They don't let reporters we go to cover the. Combine, but you can't go into stadium. So maybe I've no idea. I mean, the only time you're getting any insight into what's happening teams have sweets like the luxury suites in the stadium team's get them. So they can sort of set up a war room there and then not watch. But the. So who knows I mean, that's the million dollar question. I mean, look, I think. You know, it used to be prom ground for free agency tamper. But then NCWA I mean, jeez. Freud the you know what? But then the NFL stopped that. And so like one guy was complaining like you can't even pamper anymore. Like, what are we doing here? Like like, you know, the combat used to be prom tampering ground zero. But it's not even that anymore. It sounds really stupid. Right. It the whole thing. Sounds stupid. It. It's just it's one of those things that like it's too big to fail. It's such a thing. Now that. I don't think it does. It's a mile wide and in state. You know what? I mean, there's not just the TV event. It's just a made for television event. That's exactly what it is. Okay. There we go. We could have saved the entire conversation. Just made it that. Right. Thank you. Also, like don't do that sixty three hundred words, you're interviewing skills got it down to nine. This is embarrassing day. And you guys should read everything this, dude. Right. So K because it's always interesting and eliminating. If you wanna learn about something that's pretty bogus in the NFL. You should read this article. Thank you, right anytime guys donlevatar, Greg Cody of the Miami Herald has announced that we are the biggest and best radio show in America on Tuesdays. Stugatz. You're welcome. These live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Mike, I wanna know how your using the Stephen a Smith names, Stephen a Smith gave the internet a little gift yesterday. And maybe it wasn't a little gift. It was a wonderful gift. He he just did a bunch of things in front of a green screen that now people can do whatever they want with. No, Cody jealous that he didn't think of. Of the idea. I because this is very popular right now yet. Well, you did this you did this exact same thing or social media guy made? Sure. So we have all these clever swipe up Jeff's in gifts off our Instagram you soon in front of a green screen, and he did something similar. However, they made the decision to release the raw footage of CNA doing this. Which means you can superimpose almost anything into that background. Which is a bit of an oversight on our part. Probably right. Probably should have been considered by people when I mean, people are inherently evil I found that has been intentional by the way, Dan, the NBA on ESPN radio. Tune in Sunday is Embiid and the seventy Sixers host the pace was presented by indeed coverage begins at three PM eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Thank you. Billy just wanted to share with you. Okay. Well, we're very casually shared it. With a transition. Ronda Rousey is in the news because she says wrestling is fake. He's working. You all come on. Come on money marks AAC. They'll be a Mark you choose work in all of you. If you don't know the story, Ronda Rousey was the baddest woman in the world for a while. And then Holly home knocked her out and since then issue she's gone into fake fighting. And she is very charismatic. She is very good at what she does in both worlds. I have found her offensive self Mike to be super wrestling character just her offense itself. So she turns up the volume with I'm going to do this my way, there's a lot of he'll in it. And she's getting people interested in women's wrestling. She's naturally been a he'll even in UFC, she sort of made a he'll turn. But I think our personality true personality, probably ventures of low closer to the he'll line. I remember the first time I ever talked her to answer. Your question was good. Got it had to be seven years ago on highly questionable. I was being introduced to Hirsch they at that point. She wasn't any kind of popular. She was just coming up and was interesting and. She just told this great story of emptying a movie theater with their fists like somebody threw a shoe at her. She threw a shoe at somebody else like this girl. She she she went. I mean because she's got a a martial arts background. That's Olympic some would say, it's mixed. It's not terrible. And she goes from that to being a true marketing item in a sport making fighting making really pioneer making fighting popular four women among women and she made the transition on natural one. We've seen it done with other MMA fighters we've seen wrestlers go to 'em. May they share a lot of the same fan base? She went to WWE's she's been a success in the ring. She's certainly not embarrassing yourself by any measure. She's actually quite good in the is good in front of the camera to us. She has her moments where she gets flustered by a live crowd. But for a first year professional wrestler. She's doing quite well, she hasn't quite moved the needle. I think in the way that they would hope, but she's on track with this thing in working the internet. This is all part of an angle, I think she's on track to be the first woman to main event, the wrestlemainia, which is a big deal along with two other wrestlers, RIC flair's daughter, Charlotte and Becky Lynch wasn't. She the biggest UFC star for a couple of years. Yes. I mean bar. None star in the sport. It was after was actively fighting because John Boehner Jones just could fight after Dana white swore up and down that he would never have a woman fight. And then then a white became a puppy dog where everybody all the other fighters were noticing good God, you're only feeding this because it was the circus attraction men think about that for a second. Did you think you live long enough to for an arena full of men in Las Vegas to gather around a fight at as as the main event of a woman doing it? Like, that's that's legitimate. Pioneering that that she did that to me doesn't doesn't get a race. By the fact, that good God that sport has volved now where the woman the women are even better than her bite by a good amount because the champions that are coming after her are better than she was you're talking about Becky Lynch in Charlotte. I was talking about in mixed martial art. Okay. Well, this is all part of a pretty good storyline in which they're all working the internet a little bit. There reports there that random is set to leave WWE the day after wrestlemainia which may be designed to get additional heat honor their leaning into the natural hero heel persona of Ronda Rousey, over the course of our shows history. We have loved talking across generations about wrestling and professional wrestling as Mike Ryan was just at the seventieth birthday party surprise birthday party of RIC flair. I don't believe in my lifelong friendship with Greg Cody that I have ever had a conversation with him about one of my favorite subjects which is seventies. Eighties and nineties wrestlers one of whom by the way, a created Wayne the rock Johnson back from a time. When I was it was rocky Johnson and Tony atlas. That that's almost my first wrestling memory. I think of of those two great. Did you ever watch wrestling? Yeah. I used to watch haystack Calhoun on Saturday morning territory days. I loved it. Gordon was Gordon solely. Solely was NWEA. The the Florida territory wrestling alliance mean Jean took out Ordonez solely though, I think in terms of legacy reputation well yet because Vince McMahon took out the territories every region had their own version of Gordon solely. I loved so much and Gary Sinise is gonna join us here in ten minutes. But I just loved so much that in the wrestling days on those Saturday's with haystack. Calhoun, the wrestler in the other corner in the bay trunks out of OPEL, Locka Florida, and then be wild, Greg Cody, it would be someone who looks like Greg Cody in beige trunks. Did you have a favorite like did you go much to wrestling? No, not at all on a favorite bad guy. I don't even know where the haystack. School. Greg Cody on the ESPN radio.

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"This is the Dan Lebatardshow. With this. Got Spot CASS. We will get to the lighter funny Friday stuff. We've got Lakers in town to play the Miami so a lot of ESPN is descended down here but before we do that had I wanted to talk to you guys About what happened last night in that football game. And I'm not interested in the micro yes of course. Large accent accent great. MVP and the League. Totally unstoppable annihilated stugatz is jetes. Yep last night makes it look uncommonly easy Looks a bit like an unprecedented quarterback looks a bit like the Baltimore. Ravens have figured out. Hey we'll just pay one guy real cheap to be our quarterback and running back and then we'll have money for everything else so we'll just have him be both positions but the thing that I wanted to get into you with is getting with you get into with you. A tongue twister is Beyond the idea of Bill Polian when admittedly good enough at his job to be a six time executive of the year because of a sensibly his vision and that guy saying that that quarterback was not a professional quarterback that the analysis could be that egregious. Radish read something. We've never seen that's unprecedented a six time executive of the years telling you. That's not a professional quarterback that's a wide receiver in fairness. Stability has apologized Josh. That and he was not alone. We've got I don't want I don't want to discuss whether or not everybody was wrong about Lamar Jackson. I WanNa talk about the next level of this which is and there's an author. He's written a number of different books about like how you change range systems and his name is r Buckminster Fuller one of my favorites and One of the things that he says is that the best. That's the way to predict. The future is design it. That if you want to change your system you don't fight the existing forces you design a version that makes the old one obsolete. I say it all the time and so this radio show. If you like this radio show you get this radio show. It's hard for you to listen to other sports radio. It's hard to listen to if you you if you enjoy what we do here. What I want to talk about is the idea that someone who has accomplished as Bill Polian and this says how this I know? People are tired about black quarterback talk black coach talk but this is exactly how racism ends up becoming systemic. They couldn't and see it because they were all doing it. The old way and Bill Polian sway was to simply ride peyton manning to every award so all of them looked like Peyton manning and now a revolution started started. Now you see it all over the place now Russell Wilson. We're going to look back fifteen twenty years from now and be like what the hell were we doing at the quarterback position where we ever had guys who couldn't move around back there Eric. I'm the the winning position of playing the other side. Polian was obviously wrong about the Mark Jackson the quarterback but you see Lamar Jackson. The athlete could have been right about Lamar Jackson wide receiver. Because I made more Jackson would be an amazing wide receiver. Agreed but this is what I would say to you when I think it's not irrelevant. The idea that someone could be clearly the best athlete in the sport and the decision makers don't have the vision to simply say maybe I'd WanNA use him at the most important position. The Ravens figured it out by accident. They skipped on him and and then they started him. FLACCO had to beat out flacco but then they spent the offseason saying no. We're going to change the existing model. We're GonNa make this offense something the you don't recognize what offense used to be because we're going to go for it on fourth down every time we don't care about Punti punted since week nine. I've told the story John Harbaugh has said he has told the story. We went into that draft with zero intention of Lamar Jackson once he was there Ozzie said to me. That's the best athlete left in the strath. Graf let's build a team around him. Do you guys realize how flawed your system is when the chief decision makers can't see what they have to do is change the way they look at it not change the guy coming into the system. All the ravens had to do was slightly changed the way they looked looked at it and now the rest of the League is trying to catch up and can't can't catch up because they're sitting there annihilating everybody because there is no defense for what he does. Generally though the rest of the League is scared about having their most prized commodity in terms of athleticism. Get hit so much. Most quarterbacks don't get hit as much he's taken the most hits in the NFL when you take into account his Russian. The Ball Odell Beckham Junior. You've seen him throw passes and everyone's like why can't you get the ball to a more. He doesn't even go across middle barely early anymore. Because they're trying to limit the hit said he takes so this is just counterculture. And that's sometimes what you have to be in order to break the existing model because you're seeing it happen all over the League now. Russell Wilson has given permission to everybody else to get a quarterback who is an exceptional athlete and allow now him to throw the ball downfield away. Lamar Jackson does seemingly effortlessly listen. He's great thirty three touchdowns six interceptions don't want expected that to him for him to ever have that kind of season throwing the football okay but there still is an inherent risk with a quarterback like Lamar Jackson. There's a risk with every quarterback but when Mike says he's been hit more within anyone in the league that's rix that many coaches GM's not willing to take because it's the most important position in sport. But here's but STU gods that risk. They're not willing to take is smaller in terms of what they view. I'M GONNA attach my job to thinking differently. That risk as the more than injury injury in a violent sport that risk is job protectors unwilling to think outside of the box. They'll do it the way everyone else does. Because it's the way that it's been done I don't want to change the system. I'm I'M GONNA get to the system and try to be better at the existing system than to break the model and I don't know if it it didn't exist before Lamar Jackson. There was a first round pick that everyone questioned his ability to throw the ball and could he work in the NFL quarterback. Tim Tebow you WANNA play off game without being really accurate and large accident. He had accuracy concerns and he worked on that in the pros but he was taking a load of hits and the Denver Broncos went for a better option after that. But you guys do understand that. We've we've been talking about the risk and the danger and that this isn't sustainable all season and all that isn't sustainable. Is Stopping that offense in any way right if you're any one but even when they played poorly against Buffalo they scored twenty four points against an exceptional defend we saw something similar with. Rg Three though and Islamic. Now it's to God Stan. I thought he was going to change position. But Stu gods it's so much different. Rg Three was getting it. First of all it's totally different offense. SECONDARILY RG RG. Three was getting A. Rg Three was getting. Hit in with hits that you don't see Lamar Jackson taking. Rg Three was getting hit in the open field in a way that was savage average and obviously going to break him not. The Lamar Jackson is Russell Wilson in terms of never getting him but he seems to be doing that as safely as it can be done. Lamar Jackson also had a body transformation to because he was very slender in college like. Rg three slender. And you wondered okay. With his playing style could his body hold up dude had the frame. Obviously so you see the size of this dudes neck. He is an absolute load and while we're given credit for people being right because we're criticizing Bill Polian for being incredibly wrong munichites dominic. How many Foxworth? Obviously had articles projecting the margin sims Chris on our show. Let me play some audio Chris. Simms called this. I've spent the last three and a half days watching these quarterback back to the draft. The Big Five Right Josh. Allen Lamar Jackson Rosen darnold and Baker Mayfield right and I came away and I just I. It's because it's driving me crazy. Lamar Jackson the number one quarterback in this draft and I just think that needs to be said and be put out there because I've seen more reports today about people talking about him being a receiver and I just think it's ludicrous. He plays the position the right way. He has a big time arm. He's the most gifted runner as a quarterback. We've ever seen other than Michael Vick. He doesn't turn the ball over. He stays in the pocket and makes reads. But I don't know I guess because he's black and he's fast and he plays this type style we're GonNa talk about him being a receiver when it's just absolutely ludicrous. There's really nothing I can look at. What the other quarterbacks I mentioned and say they do a better than Lamar Jackson can? I just don't understand the conversation. I'm sorry I just had to get that off my chest. I wish she ran the jets. That sound bite really aged well for Chris Chris Simms again though. This isn't a hammer. I swear it's not to hammer bill polian although it's agree ges six time. Executive of the year can't see that the best athlete is is actually a quarterback. It's an egregious mistake but beyond that I'm more interested in how it happens guts and how it happens isn't something simply that it's objective active and Bill Polian got it wrong. What happens is you're used to success a certain way and the truth of it is for all the leader worship? We do in that sport. The people there are not actually ground breakers like real shape shifter's in terms of system changes their followers they're leaders leaders dressed up as followers the SBA dressed up as leader. Okay so close. Quick enough people would've forgot. I duNNo. I started leaking confidence Buckminster Fuller I know I lost everybody. At that point Donlevatar Oscar Robinson had a forty one triple doubles novels. Back at sixty one. Sixty to forty once to God's it's Robertson but Okay but these did not live with our show with Stugatz you guys on. ESPN radio tune into the ESPN daily. podcast bringing you a deep dive into a single story from one of ESPN's hundreds of reporters presented by Dell small-business mall business download subscribe and review. ESPN daily available. Wherever you enjoy your podcasts? I wonder how STU gods feels as a jets fan. Dan Watching as all his players after the game swamp like teenage girls around a boy band. Ah Lamar Jackson asking him for autographs. It's the closest they got them all night in terms of being pushy and violent around the House that embarrassing to you as a jets fan to see all those guys treat him like Like a Popstar. Being a jets fan is embarrassing to me. Dan just is being a fan in general everything. That's happened for the forty years that I've been a jet fan is an embarrassment and yes of course players after getting drugs like that at home wanting the guy who absolutely annihilated them who is responsible for the drubbing wanting his autograph after the game is so Bush League man. But that's the jets yet. Things got testy between Donald Gaze. I saw that. Yeah I mean this is. I still don't know if I have a quarterback I don't have an offensive line levy on bell doesn't appear here to be right or happy as thing is a complete disaster. Feel by your coach. Well listen. He's my coach at. He's my friend and normally really if he wasn't my friend I would have fired him. Seventeen Times a week for the last five weeks. But there's nothing I could do because he's getting another year because they allowed for some reason they allowed Adam gays to come in at the head coach for a GM who did not select Adam Gates to be the head coach at Adam gays as got rid of that guy and hired his own guys and they're going to give them an offseason the put everything in place. It's so unfortunately I'm stuck with all this all of it. Can I ask the audience the end why it is that you guys get angrier at that first segment then you do at the system that allows a six time executive executive of the year to bypass the best athlete in the sport. And not think of him as a quarterback. You Get mad at me you get mad at me for asking you. Hey we do a lot of of celebrating of these leaders and visionaries and architects builders of things. How do they miss this one like it's a bit? It's a bit startling pulling like how how. How do you met something that? Is this obvious to all of us. It's not just that we're seeing someone who could play the position. We're seeing someone who could play the position like we've never seen it before. It feels like what piling on Bill Polian and perhaps VR. But he's at the top of the mountain. He was the most vocal about not taking Lamar Jackson as a quarterback in the NFL l.. But there were plenty of people Dan who thought the same way. That's all but you people should be upset about that. What I'm wondering is you get mad at me for pointing it out after after last night and I'm wondering if you're GONNA get mad why wouldn't you get mad at the multibillion dollar business that's paying out a lot of money for leaders to have vision and none of them have it? None of them could see that. This guy was an athlete who could revolutionize the sport. How much value is? They're actually in the the ability to see those things and predict the future if no one saw it no one in this. This isn't Tom Brady being overlooked in the six around. And then being shaped into a monster quarterback this is a guy who is clearly the best athletes on every field. He steps on on right. But you're looking for progress on this front right now. At least someone saw John Harbaugh saw it and Ozzie newsome saw technically. They didn't because they had a first round pick earlier than that were. They took Hayden. Hearse I know but when it got to them with their second first round pick and they wanted. They weren't planning on taking a quarterback and they did because they thought he could be a good quarterback. They were going to build the team. I understand hymns rated as the like barely a first round. But that's more though they knew they can get them later because no one else is going to take him. Because Dan is talking about right now I feel like taking Brady and the six rounds from where regis than this. Yeah everyone no one was looking at their board set. Man Lamar Jackson just not athletic enough. They they had questions about his ability not to play the quarterback position because of his accuracy issues entering the draft obviously improved on his frame and the fact that they didn't want to build their franchise around someone. That's getting hit the most the league. I I really don't think it's that egregious it's personal preference. I'd rather have as my franchise player someone. Who has the rules designed to to protect him? Then someone like Lamar Jackson who if we're all praising Lamar Jackson he's obviously the MVP at this point in the season but he gets hit low in the the next game. They're nuked they're done. And I know that goes the same for every franchise quarterback in the league. But they're not taking the chances at Lamar Jackson. Say there's still plenty of teams. You're getting it done with. I guess what you would quote what you what you would say is the quote unquote you know statuesque quarter but already robin man Rogers. All all I'm saying is I'm not talking about statues I'm talking about. How an entire system is blind to what the future and what someone can be because because they get stuck on whatever the safest path is is the risk free path for a longtime? You guys are killing it that losers goal timer stop over you drew. Do you WANNA stop it. WHO's your country? clueless more Arjun Road Church girl rule would we love serve who who's magic Straw and aroused the. Oh the bus all stritch fiction nipples piercing do God's thinks Life his life on the line for a game. He's made a list of the quarterback. See would choose this your kind of topic demon of debate. And Lamar. Jackson doesn't crack his top five. corker marker top four. This is your life. You GotTa Win a game today. Four year life which I do that I loved ways. Games relied live gundy ahead. I love these games down you in a game for my life today. If I had to choose a quarterback Lamar Jackson would be six on that list vic. I had the top five. 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Dinosaurs ever existed for all the latest headlines Information in the Sports Center on. ESPN radio all throughout the day. So this weekend I'll has has flown in for or You know he fancies himself a karaoke artist He's in a competitive league here in Miami And he has flown in Because we're throwing this party tomorrow at winwood factory Big Big deal with a lot of bands and artists and one of them is going to be DJ. -Ing what you just heard there a little sample. What you just heard? There was mike the DJ ability. Mike Ryan is going to be paying and it sold out Amino has is one of the headliners. Though as someone after the band's he is going to do Karaoke With people and I heard them laughing at you and mocking you during the break saying that. You're already making excuses for why you're going to be terrible at Karaoke boy. Look you guys know. I love this show. Whenever I'm here I want to be part of the show you know? That's why I sit in the back. I don't sit in with the elites over there. Sit with the people right so when we do bits WANNA be part of the bid. So we're channing. EIGER which Great Chann- Eh Love Bob I agree Gracie outscore sesame. Yeah Score. Says he's a bum he's overrated but all the yelling of Eiger over and over again to toll on my voice and you guys can hear it in my voice cracks now. I didn't sound like that when I walked in here. You sound fine. Yeah two full days to recover. I mean tomorrow. It's the moral right. That's two full days today and tomorrow is like forty eight hours until the I. I don't know I mean listen. It sold out then get tickets forty eight hours because it's in the neighborhood. My you know what I'm website today. Tomorrow Twenty eight. Okay do you guys Thirty seven ISH. There's zero percent chance that's do God shows up at this thing tomorrow night off the list. That was our very smart move coming. You know he's put me back on it so less than zero percent percent chance he's not going to see. You took his name off of the list Chris. I was just like there's all these confirmed and then in the middle. There's just one stu gods and just like you. What No? He's not coming any even if he said he was coming he probably wouldn't becoming but he's been pretty open about this one. Can I ask you something. Dan's wedding instead out of curiosity. Do you think I wasn't GonNa go there. Did I go to the less Maas Miami did I ask you. Why do you think you're doing us some sort of favor by doing the things that we do as a group all at those that all of us are at all of these things? I mean this I put up a fight kick scream but ultimately you know show up. That's what you're saying is going to happen this time because I doubt it. Maybe maybe not. Why do you keep us like what do you keep leading us on plans? I I'm I'm driving. Well listen the plants could be as extensive as me having to go to Philadelphia for a Lacrosse game or they could just be nothing at a lie about Iraq's game day before all the time Bob Iger segment recover it out Friday. I may fly out. I do the team. Rachel's invited to a Lacrosse camp in Philadelphia. Adelphia is she. Yeah she's going. The question is am I going with her. You know abby could also go with I if you don't go you're still not going to Moss Miami. But he's GonNa say he went to Philadelphia's what he's GonNa say well someone else to watch Emma. I mean she's a teenager. What do you do you? Just leave them alone in the house. You know what would happen and everybody that mature teenagers. They're not mature ready to go to college. You can leave teenagers at home. Dan Do you know what I did. When I was fifteen? Sixteen sixteen years old but my parents would leave for twenty four hours forty eight hours. Have you kidding me. You never stands any movie from the eighties all the way until this decade. We're teenagers at home by themselves. Parents leave him alone. Nothing good happens. Plus it's Friday the thirteenth. Wow you don't leave a teenager. Go on Friday or Saturday. The fourteenth also the follow-up day very dangerous it also the full moon can leave so a lot of ESPN people are in town for Lakers and heat I mean the Lakers look overwhelming Milwaukee looks more overwhelming but We were talking earlier this week about This is an oversimplification. You do a lot of data driven stuff you You come from the Scouting Realm When I say to you that usually if you're going up against the team and they've got two very good players and your two players are better than their two players? I've been making the argument. That the way the Lakers look is that they look like. They're better than the clippers. Now there's load management thing Kawai Paul George. Heaven played together very much. But if I ask you which two players there's do you want. Do you say the Lakers pair or do you say the clippers. I think based on the way they're playing thus far this year I will go with the Lakers for the big. The big thing that's happened for the Lakers is that Lebron is playing with an effort level that we haven't seen in about five years a lot of people try to make. It seem like that was just last year. Because he's hurt go back to his last year in Miami. You can look at it right now. Tom Habits a piece. ESPN DOT COM thing. Lebron doesn't play defense and Erik. spoelstra basically was frustrated. Good Bye Lebron. Taking off stretches during games during a stretch of the season in that last season in Miami now Lebron had a methodist madness because he was saving himself self for the play offs and for the finals and that was a formula took with him to Cleveland. For four straight years. It was a lot of yelling at Tristan Thompson for not covering for Lebron's mistakes so oh I think myself and everyone else who was kind of cautious on the Lakers. Going into this year. A lot of wasn't because I don't think that good. Just I know how Lebron does and I don't fault them is what makes a lot of sense. But he's played with an intense effort and energy level. Thus find a season that by the way only the Milwaukee Bucks at match in terms of everyone plays every game and we play a lot of minutes and we play hard now. Clippers haven't had that approach so what we're seeing is two different things. One team is taking the seriously every night one team. Maybe not as. Here's the every night but when you ask me which to. which pair would I have? I think I'll go with the Lakers pair. If you don't tell me what the rest of the Rosser looks like. Why do you think we're seeing this kind of effort from the brand? Is it because people started to doubt last year started a question last year. Yeah I think I was talking to a bunch of people in la about this. One of them is his 'cause he got Anthony Davis and so now you gotta make it look like now that you got what you asked for you have to make it work and have to make it. Look good and obviously that that requires effort. The other part is because the washed king thing which I don't I don't remember anyone saying that he was last year. I said it four years ago but I was wrong but anyways there's that part of it and then I think there's a reality where last year and maybe the last five years. I don't know if if we're going to win the title try if things break right. This year is so wide open. Oh Yeah No. It's is there for the taking. So maybe that's part of the two Donlevatar at finally police in lathrop California say suspected shoplifter dragging entire six pack of beer inside a target dressing room officers say that the woman took her card and a six pack of Stella or Tohis Stugatz. uh-huh man Stella's Roy. What did I say Stellan? Nice Little Stella Glass. That's what I said. What did I say before he read that it gets? The name right is still artois. Most people just say Stella Stella Stella Artois when a punch in the face. Okay okay. Very good artois. Stella these are show with stugotz on. ESPN RADIO ESPN. Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sports interrupdate. Last Night Joe Borough at the Home Depot College. Football awards went home with the Maxwell. And Davey O'Brien awards. Giving a given to the best overall player and best quarterback in college football presidents got the international team leaves the United Sates six and a half to three and a half and finally a Scorpion can hold its breath for up to six days. What I mean? I'm tired of this international team getting the way the United United States absurd tiger we got. JT WE DJ and the Europeans have a six and a half to three and a half lead. It's absurd we have a lot of Presidents Cup a decade. If you're worried about finding the perfect gift this holiday we've got you covered because when you give the gift of Peleton you're giving a gift. They are guaranteed to love with efficient high intensity cardio workouts right at home all year long for more details. He won Peleton Dot Com for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on. ESPN radio all throughout the day. This is due to Godley. He will be at Maas Miami tomorrow. He's got a greg. Cody Tattoo. A Very Large Greg Cody Tattoo. He is going to have a temporary tattoos. I don't know if this is a great idea. A terrible idea. But he's going to have temporary tattoos of of Some of the members of the show around here that people can. He's going to be running a tattoo booth a temporary tattoo. You didn't know that Chris that's a surprise for you. Maybe it was supposed wants to be surprised tomorrow. Maybe maybe just ruined it. Is he coming with fantasy. Trade offers as well and Speaking of fantasy billy before did I hear you correctly correctly billy. Were you rooting for someone to be injured. You rooting for a human. Being a player to be injure no not exactly but that's the conflict that I found myself elven yesterday because I am in fantasy football playoffs in one of my leagues and I was playing with Mark Jackson and Lamar Jackson was playing the jets and I said very early early on. He's GonNa Score eight hundred million points today because it's the jets so I'd prefer if he doesn't do that because I'd like to go to the finals in my fantasy football league but I don't want to root for human being to get hurt but also if it happened it wouldn't be the worst thing for my fantasy league so as either the jets have to figure out a play defense. Stop this guy. So he doesn't score eight hundred million points or something has to happen where he doesn't play for a little bit but I don't know how as a human I was very very conflicted on. They said I'm sure I'm not only one. We'll put it on. Do you root for you root for injuries. That help your fantasy team not career ear ending injuries. Just an injury that really on this I have a strategy for this. You hope for them to wake up with a migraine. The day of the game. Yeah but it was happening so like once. He was on the field. I'm like lets you know spring a finger. Something like not not even on the throwing hand. Hola the Hammy well. That's more serious. I want something that's like not a big deal but a big enough deal. Words like for precautionary measures. Let's just take him out a little bit. Do you think everyone does that because You know the fan as you know can be very selfish. Raven fans do that I do is if you're in a fantasy super bowl okay. And you have a lot of money at stake. And you're playing against Lamar Jackson. I think raving fans are fine if he hurts his finger and he's out for the rest of the Ganley still beat the jets anyway. He has ten days to recover. That's what you see. This kind of makes them feel better. But it's still got so I don't know that I do. You shouldn't feel better about that. Stu Gods of course we're saying yes. Everybody puts money ahead of everything. That's I mean that's every walk. Now you're saying you're saying Raven fans even so you're saying everyone one. I did say all Raven fans I'm saying Raven fans. It would not surprise me. Ravens Fan was in a super bowl and fifteen grand on the line and didn't mind garrison Ariza Leagues you playing in the team grant. This is a free league I league I mean they're living expensively exactly is out there I'm not saying I play pathetically I got friends who play in leagues for a lot more than that. This isn't just a fantasy dilemma. What if it's just a big game for your team? WHAT IF YOU'RE IN A playoff game your teams in a playoff game? Lamar Jackson. What am I allowed to reform I? I think I don't feel like I'm a jerk. I'm rooting for him to tweak an ankle just a little tweet nuttiest Deitch hangnail. It's sort of hangnail. Fans were happy in the AFC as when Brady for the first time and the only time off that field. I think it was a torn Achilles. Whatever it was ause he was out for the remainder of the year? Fans were there. I think that what you're doing what you're presently articulating right now. This is and it's not surprising because your me I about everything is let's take the most exciting thing in the entire sport and not have it anymore because it benefits my crappy Fangio's for this week then not not extended. He's the only reason to watch last night. Billy he's the only reason for any. You realized there were people going to Thursday night football last night just because they want to see what this whole the thing is all about like their people as tuning in who are trying to get near something. That's new and exciting and you guys are rooting for the biggest star in the sport right now the hottest pop culture figure in sports right. Now you're rooting for him to miss time so that we could become. We weren't rooting for that. We were contemplating possibly rooting waiting for that and conflicted on the issue. I think Tony back here. Has the winner you want him to get take a hit where he ends up in concussion protocol and then have missed. The game then doesn't end up having concussion von. No but that's the thing though you guys don't actually care once he's in the tent you're happy and you don't care what the results of that our mind. We wish prayers. That's ridiculous. Yeah I think what you guys have to do. In order to the to abide by the rules also being a decent human being is route as much as you want for whatever injury befalls him to get off of the field whatever it is and never admit it just be like Stugatz root for whatever you want deep inside but don't say it out loud except to the people you most trust and be careful with even that but as long as I say publicly right now that. That's not what I'm rooting for. I'm good I thought you were one of these people. I could trust you. I think a lot of people do that but I also think that fantasy makes people crazy for the fantasy sports leagues fifteen grand. I mean what is that. What what wh they're buying him in bill? You guys know him in. These Leagues Minimum Forever. I mean for me. It'd be telling you about them forever. They don't know the amounts involved with these leagues. And Billy wonder specifically why it was so hard for you to get him a couple hundred bucks when he was when he was producing sports. 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The late Bob Einstein was somebody we loved having around the show and also Alan Thicke who passed away three years ago today with someone. I never met him Stu gods but it feels like. I don't know if you guys have any of us. Ever met Alan Thicke but Mike Ryan Sobbed for an hour in his bathroom. When he learned of Allen thinks passing think didn't any of US ever meet him? No we actually drew up The paperwork and it was all ready to go. He was going to make his way down to co host with us in studio remember member at the time of his passing. He was our celebrity prognosticator. Right why did you cry in your bathroom. Well because I found out in my bathroom and that's I had a very difficult difficult time processing and because for three weeks I was texting with him regularly and I considered him a friend. We would talk throughout the year. Michael would have great conversations. Gins without thinking really would like I would listen to the conversation. Mike was having with him when he called it. I don't know why. Call the Michael there. I felt the need to call Michael. But Michael would have these really good conversations with Alan Thick and he has a great impersonation of Alan Thicke and I would great Mike. Every morning thing I feel Allen was my friend and it was a shock passing. He he had a heart attack while he was playing hockey with his son. And Yeah like anything ripped away from you. That's totally unexpected like that. You're GONNA and have a billy. Why are you skeptical? Billing always to add lies the things just to give it some conversations. The money wants to be around is the thing is that you guys are talking about. And I'm not listening. I draw the line at lying. About how emotional I was after a man passed the way he was very nice to this radio. Show and I'm telling you right now. Mike knows I was listening to those conversations. Why my yelling? Because you're defensive and you know which trail because it was. I'm telling the truth you're not telling the truth. This is what happens when you have the facts pound the facts. When you don't have the facts pound the table? I told enough of the truth. Man It was like eighty percents percents sprinkle allies. It's always got a sprinkle of life through Sunday with a sprinkle So let us remember. Ah Let us remember what happened billy. What's the matter with you? Are you just marveling at how bad he is a man. I gotcha imagine what people will start talking about that love you billy sprinkles thought billions get zag with yet. He's irked that I I. I think belly's not being on his because he's a liar to everyone's a liar here he's made. It spent the entire segment making faces at every last word. You've said and accused you of lying about the late. Alan Thicke and what your relationship was with him simply simply because you wanna be around the famous no matter how dead they are funkhouser. So here is Alan thicke montage. We're going to remember him here because because we do we miss him as a show. Except for God's who lies about everything well the world don't move to the beat of just one drum or might be right for you. You may not be shown thank you thank you. You're talking ovation shoot. I introduce you is that okay. Hey father's from growing pains like how should I mean you know I think things like Conic legendary and maybe your highness all all kind of I'm fine with any of that. How much money do you actually make? Just from the fact that you wrote two of the most famous television songs ever written i. I made a enough to have three pre nup. I WanNa talk demoss hurdle with him. The Best Player in hockey hockey correspondent respondent. Who the hell is that? We were at this tie off for a lovely luncheon and we're celebrating actually the fact this year that My wife and I turned one hundred this year. Hello Mike I've just risen from is lumber. I'm drinking mint juleps and looking at Beluga whales here in the Pacific Northwest Worth was which is very relaxing. 'cause you know it is tax time and the irs he's coming for an audit reporting or whenever has to cover while making love played one of his sons songs. I count on it. Are you kidding perverse thing that I do give you a list of what those things are. SHATNER's turned down. That thick is hooped in Doodoo did host. The bunch of packets hosted Miss Universe Miss World missed Misconception was A you name it. I've probably posted. I WANNA dollar amount. How much money have you made by Shatner? Certainly saying no four hundred seventy dollars work by the host of missing the only three words is it Eager New in English. Were Vodka dance and girls and I took it upon myself to make sure that of all of that. It came through the last week taught him on the ice against Canadian teams for sometime. Really only the only three words that you need we know right. Yeah you might not even need to know. dench been remarkably thick or painfully police or Thankfully thick you seem. You seemed to be very happy with your marriage I am I am. I've been happy with all of them. We have our celebrity prognosticator. I've been told I'll show that it's a surprise. This suggests to me that we haven't been broadcasting this that this is not a guest that they couldn't get had a real celebrity. I don't even know I don't know who this is or what this is but if it was somebody super famous told you they were coming on. I think Hello Hello Hello. I'M GONNA try to overlook not very famous Snoop Dogg on Radio One Who the weirdest most unusual guy ever smoked weed with was and when he responded founded? Alan Thicke My my son's line's lit up like was he did. He was mistaken for the. You've been your dad to which my I thought I was at the same party. Maybe in another part of the room and I wanted to be there tonight when lightning strikes fire on uh turtle wax still doing well is a business attorney asking you. I was asking relaxed. My I got my hands full with fever very much appreciate it. Hopefully we'll get more often. It was a pleasure. Thanks Dad my pleasure talking. I hope so Alan Thicke be careful. He'll steal your women uh-huh catching for some ads. Look at how emotional. Well this fraudster. God says tearing up man why did I don't think mean more to you than he did to me. I mean I'm sitting here doing the show with you. I loved Allan Thank you know. Oh that's okay that works because your big connection to Alan Thicke was claiming to eavesdrop on Mike's Conversations with him. That was your connection with all the time you wanted to get in on the eulogy and so you said You wanted to be close to the guy who is closest to the famous guy. I didn't even here. Alan Thicke on the other end of the phone. I just saw the delight and the laughter coming from Mike Ryan and I knew those conversations were fantastic. Every word of you could have said that they're listened to what Donlevatar Never GonNa stop what I am and I'm forty four years old. I ain't changed Stugatz. I changed now. It's worked here. I am that next year healthy rich. This is Liberta show with two guys on Espn Radio Oh if you missed any of the show you can listen to all three hours of the Dan lebatardshow plus our Miami only hour and our best of podcast on demand in the ESPN APP and subscribe hyped lebatardshow friends podcast network featuring South Beach Sessions Stupidity Mystery Crepe please rate and subscribe new episodes posted every week wherever you get your podcast because he has the golden helmet of life and because of his general avalanche of lies and because he's wearing a green tank top we want to put it in for in front of a green screen. STUGATZ is getting sent to the penalty. Box Right now. He is getting out of here at this minute it so that we could do the bucket of death without his help and you can catch him on. ESPN news doing whatever it is that he'll be doing in front of the green screen screen. It sure is never flattering on him. I before we get John Goodman would wear on Roseanne as he winding minded down it. What did you see what Phil Mickelson was wearing while watching the president's copies wearing an American flag onesie? That was so uncomfortable for me. I started to become. I'm anti-american. Just watching him before we get to the bucket of death though. I would be remiss as somebody who likes the craft the radio And all of us enjoy the fruits of a radio in two thousand and nineteen As a whatever. It's not much of an art form at the lowest rung of show show business ladder but for those people who care about radio. It's an intimate space. We live in your heads Often not on television So you know some of us and of feeling like friends to you because of just the general intimacy of Radio on the way this stuff works in terms of stickiness and end today. A legend did his final broadcast. Tom Joyner The morning show after twenty five years he has now done and he was known as the hardest working dude in business because over almost a decade he was doing a morning show in Dallas was flying out to Chicago and doing the afternoon show there and then returning to Dallas by late evening so he was living an entirely the morning. Those morning shows will age. Anybody it's a crazy lifestyle. He almost did did that for ten years travels further. Yeah we'll still God's complains every day about his drive as Tom. Joyner a legitimate legend as opposed to the gods who thinks he's what Sat there and took flights for for ten years eight years. He was taken that flight and he accumulated more than seven million frequent flyer miles mile. And if the ratings dip he'll be back that's how this business works at is how we speak for Mike Francesa twice. Let's go ahead. Go to the bucket of death hears God says Golden Helmet of life for this. The final way. This works is reach into the bucket. Grab grab a football team and if that football team loses we then have to do something shameful we tend to throw one back but only one and only the only the first and so Chris go hadn't select from You want the Ravens. The Ravens won last night so that would carry over today. That's the one you want. Today Texan the Texans are tight end at the titans and they are three point Dr Protections the titans play two out of the next three weeks. AFC comes down back okay. This one sticks no matter what he picks here. He's got to do this. The Ravens. All right. Congratulations that's a victory. Roy is not happy for you. I'm the black death being pool. Billy go ahead and reach around around praising Damn I'd boys reaching in their ladies latest Tanka talk a little short pulse all good. I've got any team any team team. Take take the radio and I think you could take the ravens. That's fine you both have. Roy doesn't like that either. He doesn't like the success of others. It is it is a textbook definition or hater. Billy what he I've got the browns going back all right round favorite against Arizona. Two and a half points. It's who I got Arizona. It's the there's no facemask. I don't know that this town facemask penalty pending the results. You Care About the commissioner. Yeah Roy go ahead and reach into the bucket and let's see what you pull out of there. There's nothing good in there. Although I suppose Patriots Bengals have the chargers Bolt. The chargers are plus one and a half at home against the Viking opposite back does not want that eight team. I'm a minus nine and a half so this team has to win by digits. Pick the ravens again. The rate you can take the Ravens radio I'm lab. Roy Is absolutely glad that is textbook. Roy Textbook dating from Chris already has has it. A Raven is unhappy for Royce happiness. Hits Berg steelers the steelers are playing. The steelers are at home against the bills. They are minus one and a half football man. They win so many Primetime Games. But I'm putting him back. I mean you're not going to get a whole lot. That's good in their chiefs chiefs over the broncos. I know I'm not gonNA take my chances. Visit Game Boy New York giants they lost last night. I'm sorry I was the jets. That's my bed dolphins. Hey I got a shot all right the giants are against. DO THEY WANNA play for their own. They WANNA save Patterson Russian and their minus three and a half. All of these lines are provided by. Caesar's I hate this thing. I've gotTA DO DARTH Maul. GotTa gotTa do Darth Maul Costume. I gotTa do a raiders. Fan Costume. I gotta do a marching band costume. And now I got the Falcons. The Falcons are at the forty forty nine part of that. That's a minus eleven right there in revenge game then and now I've got the Carolina Panthers Airline Home Against Dance to see how you manage bounce though the new manager bounce all right great. This is depressing. This thing is really depressing. I am so happy. The football season is finally getting out of here. Because this damn bucket is getting out of here you go to hell. REAPER GOES STRAIGHT TO HELL technology. The truth brought to you by GEICO truth. You will certainly any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's BANGS? Thanks did she lose a bet with a weed whacker blow sent. Wait no no no no no truth. It's so oh you to switch and save on car insurance GEICO DOT COM Janet. I think my phone was hacked. Or something geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more Donlevatar Ktar. It's Friday. I'm getting into the weekend. I want to get my drink on Stugatz. You've got to open up the club. Open it open and now but is the computer buffering is this is live at our show with his two guys on the SPN radio to an infrared football doubleheader this Sunday as the titans host the Texans followed by Vikings chargers presented by vivid seats. pre-game begins at noon eastern on. ESPN radio stations. Am I going to have to. I've already begrudgingly. Allowed that the titans are a different team. Am I going to have to revisit. All of America's opinions on Ryan Tannehill because of the last six or seven in games where the titans didn't even know that they had the better quarterback on the bench. They'd seen plenty of Marietta and then all of a sudden they lose a couple of times the way the titans eaten often do and boom tannehill comes in and I think their offense since he's come in has been averaging more points per possession than even the Ravens. Wow Yeah there. At eight wins though. We know how this story Anson. So is America. Am I going to have to revisit. America's work is opinion on Ryan Tannehill. You know what maybe go ahead and open up the club open it. Open it Kimmy. Second is the computer buffering open. Open it now now now you while he's doing that. Hold on a second because I have to update a very important Paul. Twitter poll at Lebatardshow is brought to you by. Hbo a never seen before look at football's most powerful friendship from HBO. Sports Bella check at Sabin. The Art of coaching chronicles the friendship between two of the most successful coaches of football's history now streaming on HBO. Now I swear again to that but I opened up. Hbo Go yesterday. And I watched Dan soder stand up special instead and is really good. Check that out. It's was good. I liked this little watch. Arctic coaching I will get to it today. No one talked about it. More is Mac and cheese all the rage right now. Sixty eight percent of the audience said yes. You're doing a poll. Oh from Wednesday. 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AAF Done, XFL Different?

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AAF Done, XFL Different?

"We didn't have the infrastructure to support the business side. And the first rule in sports is on his own the alliance of American football launched quite quickly perhaps because they knew the XFL it's coming in a time of desperation. They turned to a man they didn't fully understand. We're taking all twenty nineteen to Rambo. This about the XFL name. Odran dot currently have a pulse. Yes. I do play football. What you see change your perception any sporting events. This is outside the lines. I'm Ryan Smith. What can the XFL? Learn from the af XFL Commissioner, Oliver luck joins us today. That's coming up. But first our big story today alliance. No more at least it suspended indefinitely after just eight games. And now the head scratching is in full effect. If co founder and head of football Bill Polian initially released a statement saying he was quote, extremely disappointed with the move made by league majority owner Tom Dondon, adding that he was under the impression we would finish the season. Pay our creditors and make the necessary adjustments to move forward in a manner that made economic sense for all today. He had this to say about Dondon on Golic and wingo. Tom really breath of fresh air for us, a godsend in many ways, Tom's the owner and the first rule in sports is owners on and he just felt that we weren't moving fast enough toward viability as a business, and that's his prerogative and on whether the suspension was truly the end for the league. The word suspension is there are no football, employee's left. So if it's going to reconstitute it's going to have to reconstitute from scratch, others, the af may feel differently sending this E mail the personnel saying they're keeping on a small staff to get new capital even talking of a season two. But now paying now former employees only through today reaction from players and coaches was fast and furious Orlando Steve Spurrier who claimed he was told the league was funded for three years chose to look at the positives. We're all disappointed, but on the other side, we're we got to be the champs, right? And Johnny Menzel summing. It all up Monday morning quarterbacking, the league's strategy tweeting just the reality of this unfortunate situation. Great concept. Good football on the field and fun for fans to watch. Just not enough money to go around which has been the main problem with other leagues for a long time. All right. Let's bring in sports business journal NFL reporter Daniel Kaplan to talk about the latest. Okay. Daniel you, and I were sitting here twenty four hours ago as this news was just hitting twenty four hours later, are we finally understanding what really happened here? Well, I think you've you've heard it a little in some of those clips, which is the AFC lines of American football went to market too soon. They went to market without the proper financing without the proper insurance. Bill Polian did yeoman's work on the football side. But the clearly just did not have enough money and the money would have also funded business operations marketing ticket sales. They didn't have anyone really selling in those local markets some markets did well with. Attendance others others were were awful. So when polling talks about it infrastructure, that's partly what he's referring to. And he also talked on Golic and wingo about these problems that needed to be rectified. I understand money as part of. That's what specifically were there. Other problems that needed to be rectified. Well, again, getting back to local business operations that you every week. We seem to hear from the XFL which is still almost a year out a new team president being hard with significant sports business background. You didn't have that. With the lines of American football. There were no hotshots team presidents. There was no in selling tickets that I've ever heard of there was no sponsorships. There was no marketing they talked about their app their technology. But this was a football league. I think they got caught up the alliance Charlie Ebersol, and the concept they were a Silicon Valley tech startup that had a byproduct call football. It was the other way around, but they didn't seem to see it that way. Okay. The other part of this is the af has this amazing gambling app as we hear it. It's this great piece of. Yeah. -nology there's been talk about done than having designs for that app. What are you hearing about this? Well, I mean, I I would hesitate to call it amazing. I've I've talked in a number of people who are not blown away by. But clearly if there is any acid value left in the alliance, it's it's this technology. I will say if if done didn't wanted to just by the technology, and this was his ruse was to by by the football league. He would've shut the football league down after week one or two I think he got under the hood saw the the the business operations were non-existent. Saw the money wasn't coming in revenues. We're not coming in. I mean certain point you've got to sell tickets. You gotta sell sponsorship. She you need you need to sell ads on TV. This was not happening with this league. They were putting on a decent football product. But the rest of it wasn't happening. What are you hearing about the NFL in the NFL as reaction to this? Well, I'm not sure the I it's a very significant reaction. They you know, they they were talking to the alliance of American football. There's some reports that the those talks were promising, but I think would doned in had in mind was more of the minor league baseball major league baseball model in which the big league clubs pay for the salaries of the players at the lower level at the minor league level that clearly was not going to happen that would that would certainly help the economic model of a minor league football league. But it's there's no indication the NFL all the or the NFL PA would ever go for that. So from what you know, what's now happening with the players. There have been reports that guys are having to find their way home. Yeah. There was just a tweet out for Manjoo brands of Sports Illustrated that the players are getting paid for the rest of the season. I've not I've not confirmed that which would be a nice gesture if that is the case, but yeah, I've also seen the reports that they're they're on their own. They have no way to get home. They have to buy their own plane tickets their own bus tickets. I mean, this is what happens when these leagues shutdown. It's it's every man woman for themselves. So you know, really said I think about what they're going through right now. So is little lesson to be learned from the af go slow if you're going to start a league clearly Charlie Ebersol wanted to be Vince McMahon to market with the exit. He Vince McMahon was coming out in twenty twenty. He announced that in February twenty eighteen and March twenty eighteen Charlie Ebersol and Bill Polian announced they were going to market within less than a year of that announcement. It was rushed. It was too quick. They had funding issues they had issues securing insurance the. I think they did a very good job with the football side. It's the business side that they were unable to put together in the business side ends up being the most important at the end of the day, Dan. Yes, you. And it's one football league ends another prepares to begin the XFL is set to launch until twenty twenty. But the af suspension begs the question for the Vince McMahon fronted league, how can the XFL succeed where the failed if man made headlines when he announced the relaunch of his league back in two thousand eighteen we're going to give the game of football back to fans. Mcmahon said his league will be fan Centric, family, friendly shorter and faster paced and just last week. He sold two hundred and seventy two million dollars worth of WWE stock earmarked for the league. He expects to spend close to five hundred million dollars in the league's first three seasons. According to ESPN major change from his last attempt at the XFL in two thousand one which pulled the plug after just one season. Let's welcome at XFL Commissioner and CEO Oliver luck. Now Oliver I think with what happened to the af lot of people are out there saying see, this is why we now know a second football league cannot exist. What would the XFL do differently? Well, first of all, let me say, it's unfortunate that the other league is shutdown. These up leagues are complicated. They're difficult to do. There's no question about that. I've got a ten years of experience with NFL Europe and five years with MLS all involving startups. So we recognized that they are very difficult. I think what sets us apart really two things one is the capital contribution in the capital commitment that Vince McMahon has made for us, and because of that significant capital commitment, we have the time to plan and plan properly four hundred thirty three days ago, Vince announced that the XFL would be relaunched February of twenty twenty three hundred and eleven days from now is kickoff. You can tell we've got a digital clock in our on this. So we're constantly reminded of how precious every day is, but that has allowed us to plan to plan our workers comp system to plan are generally ability insurance. Stadium Lisa's practice facilities all of those things take some time. And I think with the advantage of Avensis capital commitment and with the advantage of the time that that's allowed us. I think that we're going to launch in a much better position. Quite honestly. So you talk about the capital commitment. You talk about the time. But we know the XFL existed before it failed before it failed after one season. So have you learned something from that time to bring into this time? Yes. I think we've learned a lot from not just the failed XFL back in two thousand and one. But from all the other leagues that that have made an attempt to establish themselves in the spring, certainly the capital commitment, certainly the time, but also focusing on what really matters for fans, which is good quality football in a family of four double price. That's very important having good solid broadcast partners that can provide exposure for for any startup league. And we feel very confident in our future broadcast arrangements to play good football to have a high quality games into address those issues that football fans be the NFL fans or college fans talk about and would like to see change. You know, having fewer breaks fewer stoppages uptempo game more scoring, and we think all of those things are very important. And we think that given the time and again because of that capital commitment from Vince. But given the time that we're able to hire good quality coaches start to stock. Teams with great players. And then put that great game together that fans we believe will really enjoy. Speaking of players. I think it's one thing people really liked about the af there were some high quality players in there. They seem to really take at least many fans seem to really take to the field product. So now Johnny Manziel is available. You've mentioned in the past or there's been mentioned in the past that you don't want people with criminal backgrounds. He had some criminal charges against him dismissed will you consider signing Johnny Menzel. Well, I think there's a lot of good players out there that we're going to look at it. And if we believe if our coaches believe guys like Bob stoops or Mark Trestman pep Hamilton Jim zone, if they believe that player is is good enough to really help us play the good quality football that we want to achieve then we would certainly sign them up. But I'd rather not mention any specific names at this point. Okay. But he would be a possibility then. If our coach is believed that he's one of those quarterbacks out there that'll make our game better. We certainly would would take a look at them. Okay. Another thing that came up in the af discussions was this relationship with the NFL. There was this desire to strike up some sort of relationship, maybe have some of the lower tier players in the NFL play in the AFC to help bring attention and also build those guys careers is that something the XFL is looking to consider a relationship with the NFL and that way. Well, we certainly want to be a part of the football ecosystem, which the NFL is clearly a major part of college football and cetera. So ultimately, though, Vince wants us to focus on building a sustainable stand alone league. We'd love to have as we do. I think very friendly relationships with not just the league office of the National Football League. But the various franchises. I'm. But ultimately, our focus is on building. A sustainable stand alone league. I was involved for ten years with NFL Europe, which was a true developmental league. That's not our intent. But certainly we want to have friendly relationships with with all the members of the football ecosystem. But when you mentioned this sustainable, standalone league are we talking about competing for the number one pick with the NFL. Or are we talking about something where you say, hey, the products got to be tight on the field. So we've got to get those high quality players that fans expect is that is the plastic sort of compete for those top picks. I don't believe that anybody quite honestly can compete with the National Football League. It's an incredibly successful league. It's a juggernaut we all love the league. I love the league. I was proud to have been a player proud. My son can play in the league. I don't envision us competing for a top draft choice from the NFL. I haven't said that. Of course, we are not obligated to follow the eligibility. Rules at the National Football League has in terms of young man being three years out of high school. So there may be an opportunity to have players come to our league that aren't eligible yet for the National Football League. But we believe the pool of players that's out. There is certainly deeper and broader than it's ever been and we can put together good quality football. Given the fact that that their players wanna play, and there's lots of good talented players in in this country. And we've got a great group of coaches that I think our players will look forward to plan for one thing that the af it's come up in the af discussions is the idea that some of the coaches thought that there was a three year plan. Many people thought it would go beyond the one year. I know that you've got hundreds of millions of dollars committed with Vince McMahon looking at least a three year plan, but what is the long-term plan for sustainability? Well, they belong turn long-term plan. For sustainability is making sure your revenues are are more than your expenses, and that you really generating enough revenue to to run a viable business. So Vince is an incredibly successful entrepreneur in the wrestling space. I think he's certainly learned lessons from two thousand and one, but with the experience that he WWE bring to the table in terms of business with the group that I've been able to assemble in terms of our coaches, and our football staff, I think we've got in our business staff as well led by Jeffrey Pollack, I think we've got a great opportunity to create a sustainable model. It's not going to be easy, right? There's no question about that startups. Generally, speaking are very hard. I think the small business administration says basically rule of thumb is that eighty percent of startups don't make it. But we believe that we've got something special that we're in a somewhat unique time that we're going to have great partners both on the commercial side as well as on the football side. So we think we've got as good of a chance. Anybody does? And I think that's part of sort of the entrepreneurial spirit that exudes within the XFL as well as with with w w and it's a tough road to try to take. But we certainly wish you luck them. We're rooting for you, Oliver luck. Thank you. Coming up the big baller. Brand balled out. What's causing Lonzo ball to sue? His dad. Lavar is longtime friend. Here's more stuff that matters fresh off leading Virginia Tech to the Sweet Sixteen. The hokies have announced the buzz Williams is moving on Williams sector and the head coaching position with Texas am where he served as an assistant from two thousand four to two thousand six now prior to T V tech Williams Greenville, Texas native took Marquette to three Sweet Sixteen and the elite eight in two thousand thirteen. That's for nipsy. Those were the words of an emotional. Russell Westbrook last night dedicating just the second twenty point twenty rebound twentieth. Six game in NBA history to his friend slain rapper nipsy hustle who was shot and killed Sunday in Los Angeles Westbrook grew up in LA joining Wilt Chamberlain as the only players with twenty twenty twenty games. Today's be blocked the big baller brand. Although doubt might seem. So after it star Lonzo ball filed suit last night against brand co founder and manager Alan foster seeking more than two million dollars in damages alleging that foster conspired to embezzle millions of dollars, and then divert those funds for his personal use including to acquire assets. In Ethiopia, a foster formerly sentenced to seven years in prison after pleading guilty to mail fraud and money laundering in two thousand two unbeknownst to the ball family. According to the lawsuit own sixteen percent of the brand and has been a friend of lavar ball for over a decade of our for his part says this is just a bump in the road for the brand. Brand is good. Somebody did something bad. And it's like, here's the thing. We we had a snake in thing. But but you got understand this. I'm gonna stay charter eating snake charmer you gonna get bit. But he can't kill me. Okay. Well for deeper look at this story ESPN NBA reporter Ramona Shelburne with us what a character, but I have to ask just on a serious note with his lawsuit lonzo's claiming this embezzlement. What happens specifically, according to the lawsuit? Well, what he's claiming is that he did not know all the all the companies that Alan Boston was setting up and the way they were structured was was in a way that they were going to enrich our foster and not to Lonzo. Right. They have evidence that there's several different companies that seem to be somewhat shell corporations you funnel money into one corporation and the finals to another. And that's in the lawsuit saying goes assets than being funneled to earn. Eat the opium. I mean that was when I read that my job kind of dropped. But essentially, this all started this all started back in April or may of last year when he had a financial advisor by the name of humble conga who started raising questions about. Hey, we have this is what the operating expensive big baller. Are. This is what the prophets are and the Allen foster had claimed certain amount and expenses that he could not account for any of these expenses. And what they were it was about. At one point five million dollars there. There was another four hundred seventy four thousand dollars he paid himself through a company called marathon consulting that he also couldn't account for and these warnings were delivered to the ball family in two separate emails in October and November of last year, and they weren't heated and this whole story kind of came together. Because one I started as reporter having covered this for a long time. I couldn't find Allen foster when you background him. You couldn't find much of a record. And it turned out. He had a different name. Every every three to an interesting question. Let me let me jump in real quick that brings me to an interesting point. You know, it's supposedly lavar ball zone for a decade. And yet they didn't know about this criminal background. How is I think a lot of people look at that and say how is that possible? Yeah. Well, you know, that is the big question right is is how can you not know? How can you not have done the due diligence on this guy? He's he's actually a very public facing person in the ball, the family organization. He's on that Facebook watch show that they do that gets about a million downloads episode. He's in every episode when he wasn't he was hiding in plain sight, right? It wasn't something. He was he wasn't trying to stay in the background at all. He just had a different name. His name was Gregory Allen foster in the criminal complaint by guilty to and was sentenced to seven years in jail. And he went by Alan foster when he met the ball family now one of the things that I found interesting was when he was released from prison. It was right before he met the ball family. Right. And then he ends up going back to jail out of parole violation just in the same same timeframe that he actually met the ball family, and it was sort of an innocent meeting through through his son who was lonzo's front. You cannot make this stuff. Up. But now, I wonder what do you think of the relationship between Lonzo and lavar? Well, the big development was Lonzo ball made the decision to cut sever ties with Alan foster, independent of his dad, and I know this is a reporter having worked on it. We had a story that we've been working on for a couple of months, and it was really only in the last couple of days that lavar ball came to the same place that Lonzo ball had gotten to trying to understand what had happened with Ellen foster and severing ties of the last couple of days, lavar was still associated with with Allen foster. And so now, you know, the video from TMZ some of the comments he made in Las Vegas at their all star game see was indicate he still wants to keep the brand going. But the question really is what brand is there left to sell? What brand is there really mean from a brand standpoint, there's big baller brand of it's popular Facebook show that merchandises sold. Well, but if a lot of the money has been taken if the money is gone and the other part of the lawsuit was which was. Revealed Lonzo is deeply indebted paying nine hundred fifty thousand dollars a year in low fees, which he believes Allen foster was collecting himself, man. What is there really to save? You gotta feel for this guy. And you gotta wonder if that brand is going to be around this time next year Ramona. Thank you. We'll be right back. Thanks. Sportscenter six eastern after PTI with sage in. Kevin. We'll have the Phillies. Nationals highlights how did Bryce Harper follow up Tuesday night's big game. Plus a basketball dreams have come true for one of the best players in the women's final four and Mel and mcshane's latest mock draft dul love that sportscenter after PTI on ESPN and the ESPN app, and we'll have FREDDY Freeman and the Braves tonight when they play the second game of their three-game series against hobby by and the cubs their first homestand of the season at SunTrust park. Seven eastern six central on ESPN, and of course, the app, and we will see more.

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Hour 2: Paying College Athletes

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

34:45 min | 3 months ago

Hour 2: Paying College Athletes

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You're shaving with barbasol for all the ways headlines and information tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the day. Christopher cody do you have anything in the way of legitimate theories on where it is your father is at the moment he has been so spectacularly bad for an hour of this radio show and now as we want to go to him to talk about some of the things that he wants to talk about. I am looking into the room then room from the nineteen eighties where he is doing this show and all I see is an open door. I don't see a human being in that room. Do you have any sort of theories on the whereabouts of your father. Chris I have three theories cooking omelette getting another cup of coffee. He drinks too much coffee on things like three or four or five cups a day or he's going to the bathroom because of set. Ghazi drinking all right. We will ask him when he comes back to. It's anybody WanNa take any votes. Yeah he's back now but it'll take a minute to get his headset. Yes to God I was GonNa Ask. I mean is if a simple case of Greg. Cody has had it like. Is that it like you see just as tired of getting yelled at and made fun of and I don't know I just walked. That was never coming back. While we've got four theory. Billy just held up a piece of paper that said poop on it so the fourth theories. Let's see which one is right. We now go to Greg. Cody of the Miami Herald. He's with us here. Show killing every Tuesday. Why could you not be bothered Greg? To be there at the start of this segment was making myself a cup of coffee? I Apologize. I lost track of the time it was a short segment unusual segment. My brother my brother who is painting the show every day. Lebeau ARE DOT com. You can check it out also. He's doing some charity stuff for aerial. Hawan my brother has asked me the first hour of this show Greg. Because he's not a regular listener of the show he asked me. Does Greg Cody care about what he's doing and then he asked me. Is He being bad on purpose? And My answer. The second was no. He's not being bad on purpose. And then Mike immediately start apologizing for you and saying hey he's old and it's difficult but I don't think old and difficult have anything to do with never knowing what time we're on on during the show never knowing when we're back when we're on and getting coffee in the middle of the show. He would have spent the last forty years crushing any athlete. Who failed to show up for work by five minutes because they were. They were busy making coffee. Well in my defense I think with the exception of the time I forgot to turn on my mic. It's been a pretty clean show by me. Ask What what were you saying? Before we cut you off on paying conor McGregor to go away to be quiet conor McGregor every time. He says anything interesting often does he. Is someone who ends up. Trending and people take notice. He he has done more making then. I've ever seen from an athlete with his mouth. I'm including Charles Barkley and Mohammed Ali in that category floyd with his mouth or with. I guess floyd maybe as well but Khanna McGregor's mouth is what sells his fights. He's an above average Finney. Is that funny again? Yeah we got lawnmowers Blair it and you know when the lawnmowers come around he starts parking. Okay Well Bristol. We now have a song from a listener because we were waiting. It somehow didn't happen yesterday. We're waiting for Finney to start his barking yesterday. Interrupts to show we have a song. Bristol Davick queued. Go ahead and play the from a listener on stugatz Dog Finney listeners. Continue to bring strong songs. I wanted to talk to you about something Stu gods that we didn't get to yesterday. I'm curious. What Greg Cody thoughts on this are as well. The back story was a Doug Williams interview by the author. John Feinstein who John Feinstein wrote one of the great sports books of all time season on the brink and Doug Williams told him that if mahomes and if Shawn Watson had been white that they would've been drafted ahead of Mitchell trubisky and the part about this. I know the people get uncomfortable with the race. Talk and some more than others. The part about this. That got my attention. Was Doug Gottlieb on twitter. Telling John Feinstein this is beyond idiotic now a race conversation makes an appearance in a black person who's filing a complaint about something this is beyond idiotic is exactly the wrong response for any kind of conversation like that not because you're not allowed to disagree you are allowed to disagree but once you've started a conversation with this is beyond idiotic. You're not interested at all in hearing what anyone else has to say about anything. So Doug Gottlieb continues and the people who object to this always looked like Doug Godly. The people who say this is beyond idiotic always look like Doug Gottlieb the idea. The League evaluates a quarterback on race in twenty twenty s just dumb disconnected and bitterness from forty year old transgressions. Trubisky isn't as good as Watson. Mahomes the bears evaluate them all and missed that it. I wish that this conversation was as simple as Doug. Gottlieb thinks it is because Bill Polian a six time executive of the still got Lamar Jackson doesn't look like a wide receiver to him. Doesn't look like a guy who can play quarterback in this league if at least in part what. He's not doing the same thing I did. When I saw the Shawn Watson plane now you might want to accuse me of racism here but I haven't seen someone like the Shawn Watson come into the NFL and be Shawn Watson. I haven't seen it before college quarterback. Who's great moving around and confused? Nick Sabin that's not something I had seen. Have that kind of success in the NFL. Before and that's where race ends up playing a factor and it's not beyond the idiotic to suggest that any of us would be guilty of any kind of viruses or places where we have a blind spot on this stuff but the problem with this is people like the godly perpetually. Stugotz are more sensitive to the idea that they're being called racist then they are to actual racism like God doesn't know what it's like to experience racism Doug Godly doesn't know what it's like to live a life. Where does Shawn Watson is going to be questioned and this is race playing a factor? It's not racism. I don't have to prove intent to you. I don't have to prove to you. The bill Polian isn't a racist. I'm just telling you. Why do you think that happened? That Bill Polian six time executive of the year Saul Lamar Jackson and thought he was wide receiver. Could it possibly be? Because his prototype was Peyton Manning. His prototype looked like peyton manning. Why can't that possibly be? Why is that a conversation that's beyond idiotic? That of course could possibly be A. Is there racism in that Dan if indeed Bill Polian thought that you at least what that conversation to have? Because you've never seen it before. Does it mean that it can exist and can't be good in the NFL? I think the other part that's disturbing about what happened with the Shawn Watson that lets you could sit here and say bears. They identify the quarterback. They wanted it. Was Mitchell trubisky. They have the overall number one pick. They didn't have to talk to anyone else. That's the guy that wanted black white whatever that's the guy they wanted. But it's confusing to me. That the Shawn Watson was that good at the college level and to Shawn Watson on twitter said over the weekend. The bears never even spoke to well. They never did they did. They did they did. They did talk to him by phone. There was an interview on earth with Rich Eisen where they did interview him by phone. But that's off to the side whether or not they talked to Shawn Watson they're allowed to think Mitchell trubisky better quarterback it's just super rare stugatz that the Black Mitchell trubisky ends up being drafted higher than the White Mahomes. And the White Shawn Watson. You guys remember when Doug Alley was on the march madness Coverage and he thought he was way too cool for the situation and thought he could just kick it with Kenny and Charles and he saw it he could bring the white perspective and they let them know immediately that he couldn't and he had to walk it back and apologize. That was like one of the safe one's for white history month. Your idea white history month never ended up happening. Greg Cody because Mike couldn't find thirty incidents that he thought were funny about racism and white people in their history of raising a challenge picking thirty instances in American history of racism. I feel like marge. Schott has like seven of them. There's a couple of statute of limitations. Were like maybe Donald Sterling has a couple to cody. Do have any thoughts on this as a long time columnist for the Miami Herald who has covered football for a long time and knows that Doug Williams is the first black quarterback to ever win a super bowl. I know this conversation makes people uncomfortable and what I'm saying is that those people have to be uncomfortable. In order for these conversations to have any kind of impact it sort of required as part of the discussion. The discomfort of white people. The discomfort of the majority is required on this stuff. So what do you have for me as an old white person? Greg Cody as an authority on being old and white. I find it sort of offensive that somebody would call the conversation beyond idiotic. It's the opposite of that. It's valuable to have the conversation. It's enlightening and I do think that that the NFL is getting asked. The the inherent prejudice against black quarterbacks. I do think that because the position is so important. And when you see a guy like Shawn Watson Walls to crumble the more and more Great Black Quarterbacks. Stir are but Older than I am said. I guess is that true? I'm not sure if I'm not short. I gotta be healthier. Even though our introduction bill Polian was also violent coughing more race next GEICO has the insurance industry leading APP. That lets you manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage by angry. Hi Megan you guys said you would hear about an hour and I think the possum is starting to get angry. Listen I thought if I felt it would go away. But now it is ripping holes in the drywall and making some sort of nest. Just coming back GEICO. Always there for you with savings and the industry leading mobile APP. If you missed any of our interviews please check them out on demand and the Damn podcast brought to you by capital wine with capital one. You can open a new checking savings account with no fees or minimums. Welcome the Banke reimagined capital one. What's in your wallet approval required capital want NA member FDIC. Daddy's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless well. This is what I want to talk with you and Greg Cody about and I am challenging you okay to have some thoughts as I spoil this. That are in the same common thought that we've all had on sports radio for twenty years about these kinds of subjects and cheating in college sports and paying athletes. If there's a way to take a different angle on this I'm going to challenge you and Greg Cody to give me something different here in terms of sports radio than Blah Blah Blah athletes should be paid. I want something on the Zairean Williamson Front. That can be talked about. Because if we've arrived in a place to God's twenty twenty when the idea of a whistle blower with Adidas and Duke a Duke and Nike a whistle blower saying. There's all sorts of money. Going around their surroundings. I on Williamson Duke. Somehow has always gotten off with the idea that they are clean. Michalowski has had a halo over that program. Which is kind of surprising given how many people hate Duke? And so if I can't get America or sports people fans interested in the idea of scandal involving Zion Williamson. Then you're numb to this in a way. That is a little bit jarring. I've told you to gods and we talked to the director and we will talk to the director again on South Beach sessions of that documentary on. Hbo The scheme. If you care about sports and you're looking for content I advise of you to look at this because what you will find. Is that the least greasy person in this. Entire scenario was the middle man who went to jail and then includes all those federal investigators that ended up doing all that wiretapping. To catch these coaches to gods and these federal investigators were somewhere between incompetent and corrupt. They didn't end up getting anybody. They didn't know what they were doing. The rare instance where a federal indictment doesn't amount to much of anything at all except punishing. This middleman. Who has said seemed more honest to me and less greasy than just about anybody in the documentary and he was the only one punished. But we've arrived in a place where I can't get people interested in anything involving scandal and college sports because you shrug your shoulders and you say well. This is what it is. It's what it's always been. I am totally numb to the idea. There's nothing I can tell us. To God's once I've what's I've made it about prostitutes in Louisville there's next to nothing I can tell you that would end up shocking. You if I told you somebody got a million dollars. Where do I need to put the numbers? What do I need to do for people not to be numb to these stories and all of this greasy nece that happens in the sewage corners of college? Sports there's nowhere you could put a down. I don't think you know throughout this entire time that you and I have been doing. We've had this conversation. I don't think you give the public enough credit. Okay because I think we all know exactly what college sports we know what it is. We accepted for what it is and we don't really care. I don't care if it's coach k. I've been operating under the assumption for many many years. That Coach K. Roy Williams Dean Smith John Wooded that at some level they all did something to break and NC double a role they all committed NC double A. Violations. I don't think that the public can't maybe the media cares but I don't think the fans care of course Ziya Williamson got some sort of benefit to go to some college. First Year. He was going to go to some college per year. Any probably chose the deal. That was the best for him for him and his family and I think just operate under that assumption for so long. I think what it what. It appears in our lab. We just don't care because we just assume. Of course I am. William took Zay Williamson. Took some benefits for him is family at. Why wouldn't he Greg Cody what are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on this subject? do you have anything original? Unlike Stu gods who said the same thing you argued with Dick vitale about many years ago? I mean there's no. There's no shot value left to to this story because it isn't a of wrongdoing now and I use the word wrongdoing Cautiously because it's technically wrongdoing against the rules but look I've come around to change my view. I think if you're as prominent as he was to the University of course you should be paid a stipend of of course the you know the the the Star quarterback in his eye n Williamson do so much for their university to bring in income that I have come around and it's ridiculous to head. Coach is getting twelve million dollars a year and and the star player is supposedly getting nothing. You know my only issue with this whole topic. Is You know the the star is worth money but is the backup guard worth money. You know if you're GONNA pay athletes you have to pay all athletes. But I have yet to hear a plan a workable plan for how you're going to do that and then in terms of the middleman I mean that's just the easiest guy he's actually executing the plan he's carrying out the plan. I think from the Fed standpoint. That's the easiest person to go after the easiest person forever get mad at if you're wondering I don't have the answer to this and I apologize. Why does anyone care about bill? Self Wise Bill South Still Coaching. Why does no one care about Shawn Miller y? Shawn Miller still coaching? They shouldn't be but they are and I don't have the reason just wide. They're not I'd go another step on this though I'm talking specifically about the otherwise pristine duke image like if you do believe Stugatz that everyone is cheating in College. Sports as many people do this. Is the situation. You find yourself in for awhile. It seemed like cycling was draw it was draped and soaked in cheaters. Lance Armstrong seemed to be the guy who was not cheating but of course the way that he beat them is he was cheating. You look at track and field. You saying bulk remains clean. Even though all of the people around Him who have the fastest times have been caught cheating. And to think that Duke is clean and getting Zion Williamson Winnings Ion on Williamson. When everyone else is paying for recruits. 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I'm organized yet and people are telling me on twitter. Reminding me that I'm nothing like him and I didn't move into any kind of house like but I'm still on cloud nine. That's why I've been kind of did you've noticed in this show. I've been looking down my. I'm just drinking in all the praise this show just drinking it. All in you should focus father. Father and son have some similarities. Whenever the applause starts they get lost in it. They get delirious and dizzy and they just love staring into their phones then he was so adorable. During the Tom Brady Interview Chris was he got a half question in Brady Brady. Broke off interrupted it. Ripped into him said you're in full. Quarantine bowed made fun of his background. Then I've tried to get Chris back in I tried. I kept going Chris. You're up I was trying to get it back. And then Chris finally revealed to US mid interview. I'm good I'm terrified so we just that. Was it Christmas done? He just watched the rest but what happened was like three hours after Brady left us. Chris sends me attacks at this. Was Chris the attire weekend. Dude Dude Dude Dude did you. Did you know any good questions did cody? This is the reason you have no future in this business Did you did you? I told the Head of digital we delivered seven perfectly mediocre minutes and be at say calling it mediocre. I think is being I mean. Check out the latest potty for a seven minute interview with Tom Brady the only the second interview he's done or other. Yeah only only Howard. Stern has also gotten Tom. Brady quite this exclusively. Yes Chris what is it that you have for the audience in defense of yourself as as we pound you from every corner of the universe. I don't want to undermine the journalism that we did during that interview. But I had some questions that I potentially wanted to ask but there was a relationship here between Tom. Brady and Charlie's grandfather that I was terrified of ruining so I wanted to just give them the easiest question possible. Is that good journalism good journalism. Put It on the poll at Lebatardshow is cody guilty. Of The opposite of journalism. I was making fun. Eighteen months ago or twelve months ago. There was an interview with Tom. Brady that had all splashed behind him. Tb twelve products and basically the first question was some form of. Tell me why it is and how it is. You're just so amazing. That's that that's not really journalism. That's not what you guys did. Though did that was also our first question. It was edited out post production and we really did swoon over dead. I'm not making this up. You're getting this handsome guy. The greatest quarterback of all tied. And you're getting them with Charlie's grandfather Charlie you you don't WanNa ruin that relationship but you're getting them right off the golf course sun-drenched. He looked fantastic. He's so nice. So warm so caring. He's he's asking how our families are doing. I. I don't know what to tell you. It was hard to get a real tough question there because I fell in love with the guy. And you. You're not yourself Lately for a variety of different reasons. Can you explain to me what it is that you were saying during the break about Showers feeling like a vacation. That you feel like you're vacationing every time. It is that you step into the shower. I mean any little thing that you do that kind of strays away. That used to be normal but now strays away. A bit from the normal like taking a shower to me feels like a vacation like so for me. I'm spending most of my time downstairs Ed so when I go take a shower now. It's like a big thing. It's a big to do. I take a lot like I am putting an out usually am rushing to get through my shower but now of doing is I'm setting the see like taking a drink into the shower. I have a set of grateful dead music that I play in the shower. Big Look our my shower way. You're romancing yourself lighting candles and it said as eating and being you first of all. I don't understand why you would say that. Taking a shower is not normal. Like I don't understand your starting point on this but but beyond that off what are you trying to do? You're just trying to get away from your link. Yes that's exactly right. It's a vacation away from my family. Shower used to be two three times daily. Now it's one time daily. I don't care everyone. Shower habits have changed here. It's one time when I decided to do is make shower. Time a really special time for me to put it on Lebatardshow shell but do showers now. Feel like vacations to you and your shower. Habits changed because I don't understand why you're now showering less I don't i. I'm confused by what's happening there where you've decided. I'm going to take one good one hour shower where I really pamper myself. And by the way the idea of you pampering yourself while never washing anything below the waist is disturbing to me. I'd someone who knows because admitted it that you simply don't wash beneath the knees cleared that up art cody. Do you have any thoughts if your shower habits change at all when I don't even understand the point that's to God's his making here well. This is nothing I would ever admit unless as directly but yeah I skip a shower every once in a while now you know instead of instead of showering daily and in maybe ten times a week You know maybe I'm showering five times a week. You know you a little extra dealer at one day. My vacation is not shower. That's what makes me is not getting away. Showering skip a day. Well more sports next is it's time for the Binge Club brought to you by marathon. These days we have to travel smart. Maritha can help by improving engine performance with quality top tier gasoline marathon. Fueling the American spirit. So Stu got helped me out here because we were all trying to get greg cody attention during the break. For some reason he takes his headset out. He's looking at his computer. He's not paying attention and we couldn't find out whether or not he actually has something that he's been binge-watching so we'll all find out together a little bit later in this segment. But can you tell me? How do you WANNA start this? You want to tell people what it is that you're watching. I would I would venture I would tell people in the audience. Dead to me on. Netflix is something that they might enjoy. Very easy to watch Christina. It is funny it is dark. It is an unusual show and it is worth your time. You can watch it very quickly season to just started. What is it that you're telling people still got so what's been really one of the I guess for lack of better term. Good thing about this. Pandemic being quarantined is being able to binge. Watch television shows that you grew up watching and being able to share them now with your kids. It's one of the shows I've been watching with. One of my daughters is west way. And that's what we've been binge-watching she likes it. She's Kinda into politics. Kinda into that drama thriller thing. It's up we've been watching binge watching and we're on season three. I believe right now of what's weighing. And she loves it. She says it holds up. It's as good as any television show. She's ever see. This is my sixteen year old daughter. Rachel Emma has no interest in it. But we've been binge-watching West Wing together there. I've been tempted by the Sopranos and by breaking bad going back to them even though I've already seen them at Lebatardshow put it on the pole. Are you binge watching anything that you have already seen in its entirety Migraine? What are you nominating? Here is something you suggest. The audience should be binge-watching taking a little break from series and binge-watching these epic multi episode shows and watching a few documentaries right now and I just saw a documentary on Natalie Wood but it was from the perspective of the family so as very skewed to didn't kill her he's a good guy. You need to honor the segment. I don't believe a documentary. I single documentary is allowed to be called a binge-watching that's just watching. That's not been watching. A man who honors the truth binge-watching very good no matter what the corporate sponsor needs. Mike Ryan is beholden in this one instance to the absolute truth. Here better than me. Billy Billy what is it that you are binge-watching these days that you would recommend to the audience last dance. Dan It's every Sunday on. Espn it's a ten episode. It's kind of a documentary which you just said you can't beat for when it's ten episode you can watch it it airs. Sunday nights on ESPN. I've mentioned Monday mornings a lot of times. That fall asleep before it's done on Sunday rate little story walking through the final season the Chicago Bulls era together and it goes back and forth. Just been great so far. Thanks for nothing. Glad you prepared so hard for that segment Roy. How about you What is it that you're binge-watching these days? Binge watching a show on discovering America called Barbecue pitmasters again together in barbecuing all sorts of Types of meat and it's a very occasional. Es Em trying to muscle her is. You're trying to learn something during the quarantine. Like Cody Zeller. Chris Cody what do you have here on binge all this morning today the Mytalk and besides that I've been really watching the meets world the entire series. I love the devolution of the Cory Matthews character. He started out as a young kid as he got older he becomes the. It's really interesting. But that's what I've been. Did you just use the word devolution? Is that what you just said? Okay very good thrown on Brady Dan okay. So he's just he's just looking at all the hearts around his Tom Brady interview. That's what he can't stop binge-watching if you hadn't heard you might. WanNa check out the latest episode of Stupidity Seven Totally Mediocre minutes with Tom. Brady Greg Cody of the Miami Herald. What are you binge binge-watching and why my wife and I have discovered and are absolutely school. Greg Cody on ESPN radio.

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Kawhi Leonard Will Be an All Time Top 10 Player, LeBron vs Giannis MVP Race, Nick Wright, Rob Parker, Bill Polian & DeMarcus Ware.

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Kawhi Leonard Will Be an All Time Top 10 Player, LeBron vs Giannis MVP Race, Nick Wright, Rob Parker, Bill Polian & DeMarcus Ware.

"Thanks for listening to the heard podcast, be sure to catch US live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon, Pacific on Fox Sports Radio nfs one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream it live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching heard. You're listening to Fox sports radio. Oh here, we go on a Wednesday live in Los, Angeles. It's the her wherever you may be. However you may be listening iheartradio Fox sports radio and F S. One Nick Right in thirty minutes hall of fame Executive Bill Polian in an hour and fifteen minutes. DEMARCO's where the cowboys former cowboy will be joining us on a Wednesday. Busier than we probably should be considering the scarcity of sports enjoy joining me joy. How are you today and great, wealth? where it's almost back, almost baseball's close a basketball, a couple of weeks away less than that actually a couple of days, so we're ready to go do it. Let's do it. So I saw a story this morning I'm not going to call out the writer. It's It's woefully off, but it is interesting. I think you can really I. This happens in life to if you're brutally honest, and you just wrote down either for yourself, your business, your favorite team three sentences to describe him over the last ten to fifteen years. Just three brutally honest sentences to describe yourself. Describe your favorite football team. Your favorite college team or your favorite the business you're currently in. It'll tell you all about it. You don't have to go on and on and on and on, so this article comes out and it says. It says the cowboys are wasting the luckiest quarterback running NFL history. Says the writer finding to generation. Lee talented quarterbacks. Robo Dak between the fourth round, an undrafted free agency win span of thirteen years. Is the football equivalent of winning the lottery? Generational talented, he misspelled. Marginal. Let me say this. Is that the cowboys are exactly. where. They should be in the NFL with my three central. Now let's first address this outside, of Tom, Brady and new. England and Eli Manning in New York. Every fan base thinks they've underachieved in terms of super. Bowls In New Orleans there like one peyton manning indie one farve and Rogers. Were that good and. Outside of new. England where I think Patriot, fans are lake. We squeezed every last win at at at and I. Think New York giant fans are like we got the lesser of the Peyton. Manning brothers, we got out of that. We're good so almost every every franchise thinks they should win more new. England, the giants Eli Brady. That's the exception. Secondly I'm done talking about Dak but let's just talk about Tony Romo. Tony Romo burned really bright for about an hour. Tony Romo had three great years that was it twenty eleven to two thousand fourteen in two thousand fourteen DEMARCO. Murray had two thousand yards rushing. He was the MVP of the team. I like Tony Romo. He's been a great broadcaster used to defend him constantly. But. The guy had three great years. That's it. He was raw early with too many picks and he was injured late. Does that sound like a super bowl winning franchise. Now it doesn't. Now. Have the cowboys gotten value? Don't get me wrong value out of the quarterback position Romo undrafted Dak. Fourth Roud. Yes, absolutely! But value isn't Peyton manning. There's a reason you pay what you pay for a Mercedes. You're not getting value on it. I mean I think it's worth it. You're not getting a steal on it. Not going to be an unpersuaded is not undrafted. Mercedes is not third, fourth or fifth round. So let's go back to my three sentence rule. You are what you can be described in three sentences. For the last fifteen years if I said this about the Dallas cowboys. Now tough, but instead about Dallas cowboys. Of Vanity driven owner who made himself GM. Bailed onto hall of fame coaches. But have gotten great value at quarterback. That sounds like an interesting team. Certainly viable. That mostly gets in their own way. That is exactly what the Dallas cowboys are. That's what they are interesting. They're viable BETCHA. They've won a playoff game or two, but boy. Do they get in their own way? If I describe New England best smartest coach in NFL, history, best quarterback in NFL history and the Weakest Division for twenty years that screams dynasty. If I. IF I describe Houston or let's, say Cleveland. Chaos everywhere revolving door of coaches and executives. And have passed on more than one pro bowl level quarterback in the draft that says to me what a mess! Houston it to me is an interesting one because when you think of Houston. My three words or sentences would be. Good coach trying to be a GM. Several superstar players including a quarterback. Average division! And you know what Houston would be whether winning games. They're fun to watch, but it feels like there's a ceiling. That's exactly what Houston is. This is not about Romo and Dag and finding value is great. Right like you'd love to be able to get your quarterback. At a discount, but if he's really great, you won't be able to. You're going to have to pay for wins and Brady and Mahomes and breeze and Peyton, manning an Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson eventually. So getting value at quarterback is fine. What I really want is elite talent. And Romo had three brief great years and decades good, not special. So. The so the idea that the cowboys have blown it have wasted opportunities have squandered it well. They have, but it's not about the quarterback. It is again about a franchise that has bailed onto hall of fame. Coaches. And a vanity driven owner who made himself GM? So the NBA bubble the NBA bubble. We're getting very close to games. And I think it's going to be very interesting and I WANNA. Talk Leonard. We all acknowledge collide Leonard is interesting. He battled with Popovich. Everybody works in San Antonio. He didn't. He goes to Canada acknowledges early. It's really cold amount staying here. But then wins championship with a bunch of kind of guys. And then instead of choosing Laurent and dominance. He goes to the clippers. But Kawhi, Leonard has figured something out. He figured it out in San Antonio. Whereas they got old, they still won. He figured it out in Toronto where they had issues but man they had good ownership a good gm and a nice coach. And? That's why he chose the clippers. In Los Angeles right now the clippers have better owner. The better GM, the better head coach viewed by many in Doc rivers more titles. And the better roster. But it's funny. How often the media misses the mark. On player moves. Like Lebron? The Miami was roundly criticized. It was a great move. Is the best move the Brown ever mate. He upgraded owner GM coach. Going back to Cleveland was actually a terrible move? Why would you bail on Micky? Arison Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra. A terrible move, but the media like the story. I'm coming home. You play the music. We all cry. It's a great story. Prime example the rafters got heat forgetting. One year acquisition. It didn't manner. It's candidate. They like hockey. You Win One Championship in Toronto. You're good for two decades Jimmy. Butler gets every time he leaves. But he left Minnesota. They got worse Chicago. They got worse Philly. They got worse. He chose Pat Riley Erik spoelstra eight a plus with both. That's why. Is Fascinating. If I, said to you today. Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard I think most of you think. Kevin Durant much better player, and we'll be viewed historically as a better player. But what's funny about Kevin Durant Coli is? I think there are a lot closer than you think. Both have two titles. Both have to MVP's in those finals. Both had injury issues. And both are multiple time all stars. Now durant has many scoring titles. But Colli Leonard, maybe the single best player in the NBA The last couple of years if you need a bucket. But here's the difference. Kevin Durant left a great owner, a great GM and a great coach and a great number one teammate. He downgraded in those. COLLI LEONARD IS A lot sharper than we think. He upgraded in everything. Because the clippers, not the Lakers have the rock solid owner Steve Bomb with unlimited money. They have doc rivers. Who's won a title like Frank Vogel But rivers considered the better coach. They've got a front office that includes Jerry West and Michael Winger. In five years. And I think Kawhi is going to win the championship this year and is going to be the MVP of the finals. Three months from now. It's going to be a with three titles. Kevin, with to. Kowa with three finals. MVP's Kevin Durant with to. Co y the healthiest. He's ever been Kevin durant still recovering. And Kawhi going forward with the better number. Two Team Mate, Paul George more stable, better, front office, better owner, better roster. We always struggle when players move. We're always like well. Who Do they join? Lebron could not overcome a bat owner initially. Michael Jordan needed to get the coach Reid. Is that. In about three months that Durant Coli Leonard. Mismatch I mean Katie's up here. Kawais, down there three months. It's going to be a lot closer than you think. And my my arguments going to be in five years. Colli will be seen as the superior player. because. He's figured out through his NBA Journey. You got choose the owner. You gotTA choose GM. You gotTA. Choose the coach as much. As the roster. Coming up there certain things in life you can say and you. Lose me. And camp did it again yesterday. That's coming up. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon. Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox sports. Radio s one and the iheartradio. APP whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, you need noise isolating. Bluetooth seamless wearing stylish ray on wireless ear buds get fifteen percent off now by Ray. RAYCATENA DOT com slash H. E. R.. D. So years is a long time ago. This about. Let's see I've been here. About ten years ago. I I went to buy a condo. And I went to. My realtor at the time was Her name is Liz. And she said it's. I said how is it? She Goes Oh, great location. And she's beautiful. And I'm like So why is it still in the market? She has been on the market for a year among understand it. She says you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA love it. Like stand it. The you know the country was doing fine. The economy was fine. It wasn't stagnant so I go, and I go into it and Liz opens the door and I'm like good hell. She had Greek art everywhere. It was a it was amazing to walk from the door to the bedroom had to like. Take. You could, and I'm like. What water she can't sell. This is beautiful. It's a great location, but. She's hoarding. It clean it up. I'm a minimalist I. Don't have a lot. My wife met me. She's like you have to pair of shoes. You have no clothes, and I'm like I have the clothes to wear. She goes everybody I've ever you know. People have clothes and shoes. I'm a minimalist. I've never had a second car I. Don't like stuff so when I walked into the Condo I said I'm GonNa make a low offer because nobody's going. Nobody's GonNa offer on this because she's. It's all cluttered like mental. Clean it up. She had big Greek art everywhere I'm not nothing against the art, but you couldn't find your way from one side of the House to the other. It was a small about two thousand square foot condo. One of the things I love about what is happening in sports. We're getting rid of all the crap. I love it. NFL preseason Outta here. It's been terrible. It's terrible for players. They. Make per diem. That's it terrible for fans. You get charged full boat for a ticket. You couldn't give that thing away. NFL, preseason. Out. There's one out of the CONDO. Three Awful Outta Conference Road Games. Nick Sabin complains arched are fans. Don't show up for all our home games stop playing citadel three times. Out. Hundred Major League Baseball Games out last twenty. NBA Regular Season Games out. We know who the best teams are by game. Sixty five white white injure players like we know who the best teams are game. SIXTY FIVE MEMPHIS AIn't great. Lakers potentially could be all these college athletic programs. Nobody. Nobody in the stands, expensive road trips out cut cut cut cut. Like. This is all like to me. I look at this and I think in my entire life. Even during tragedy in America there's always good from bad to me. We're just cleaning the CONDO. We're just getting rid of stuff. We don't need NFL preseason. And Sixty two baseball games. With the phones we have an American now. Believe me it's easy. I mean I. Find Myself last night. I had if I have to put it down to put it away. I'm sitting here reading reading, reading it and my God I. Have Watched Everything on Hulu, I. With phones you've got to make games manner. You've gotTa have urgency. That's the strength of the NFL. That's why I don't love a seventeenth game I. Don't Love More playoff teams. It's good for my business, but what makes the NFL special is? There's not a lot of wasted art in the CONDO and not a lot of extra crap. Like. What you see is what you get. The game matters. You have to watch. And right after Thanksgiving the Games even more. And and so all this stuff, I everybody looks around I if we can just. Start the NBA and Christmas get rid of these awful college games that nobody watches and dumped junk. GET RID OF DUMP. The NFL preseason sports never been better. We are making moves now. That are long overdue. I am here for it I'm a minimalist in my life, and in my sports and I think we'll look back years later. If these leagues conferences have the courage of their convictions and the owners finally acknowledged. You know my players. Don't get as banged up when we don't play four preseason Games, sports will never be better joy with the news. No heard on the news. This is the third line news well Patrick. Beverley has reportedly left the NBA Bobble. He laugh last night to attend to a emergency personal matter and he does plan to return to the clippers as soon as possible. He's the second member of the Clippers to leave the bubble in Orlando Mantra. Herald also left a few days ago due to a family emergency so still very early. Obviously, we haven't. Haven't gotten into games yet. But how? What's the quarantine thing? So if they leave, they leave campus for extenuating circumstances like this. They'll be required to quarantine for four to ten days upon return, so beverly will need to pass a corona virus tests every day. He's off campus in order to have a four day quarantine when he comes back instead of ten first game, their first game is July thirtieth against the Lakers. Today July what twenty twenty second. So if he's back in two days, they're fine probably back in two days in east pass a and he's had a negative tests for those two days. You need one or two negative tests. No every day. He's gone the test and if he gets if he's negative. Every single day when he comes back, he only the quarantine for four days as opposed to the ten. So, yes, to get tested. Every day is gone. They're getting tested. Everyone who is around this bubble is getting tested every single, but it's working. They had three hundred sixty guys tested. Nope, Nope, no. Reporters as well reporters to have to take tests, the nose swab or the mouth swab every single day on top of taking. They're taking their temperature every single day. They have to scan and put in their temperature. Put in their similar to our questionnaire that we do to get into work here. They they put it into an APP and then when they scan in the Disney bricks. They scan in if you know if they put their information and it'll light up a certain color, and then they're free to go in, but they have to test every single day by the way have been tested three times I've been tested twice and negatives. Yes, yes. Here, the first two tests were the long. And then you wait it, you know or know. The first half was long the second to taken I I knew in fifteen minutes and it wasn't. It didn't go. The swamp didn't go nearly didn't touch my eyeball. It was quick and they. You sat there for fifteen minutes, and they give you an answer. Yeah, I mean the testing, the testing situation obviously way better. I think it's gotten easier. I think it depends on where you're getting tested. First Time I got tested I had to wait because some people are waiting like nine to ten days to get the results. I don't understand how that works. Because how's it even valid? I don't even I'm not going to a special place like. How is my test better than that test? I'm not going to some. You know like super private. I went to a I went to a concierge doctor took. I went to a emerging care. I don't know I mean I. Just different parts of the country. The testing is insane, so why the in the NFL and everyone else can figure out how to do it last. Two Times I've done it. It has been literally just in out, and it's not even the swabs, not even. It's like. I will say though I was I was. Cautiously optimistic about how this was going to go, and obviously we're very early into the bubble, but it seems like they are taking it. Like they are not playing any games, the NBA is on. The! And testing in quarantine. The players may not like this joy this benefit for the players. Do players, you may not you just sometimes we all know in life. Sometimes. You got to suck it up for like two months to get what you want, right. You want this season, and because then you'll have leverage in the CBA, you do not as a player by the way this is Adam silver. He wants these players to be viable. He's been he's been. The players commissioner more than David Stern was the owners commissioner, the best case scenario for everyone for the owners, even if the owners are going to have leverage in the CBA, it's the best case scenario for everyone to get through. This gets finished. Get it in the books and then move forward and figure out how you're going to actually play outside of the bubble, an entire season with all the teams. But they're doing an excellent job so. So in the NBA. Mvp Race Janas seems to be a lock to win for the second straight year, but Magic Johnson thinks Lebron is more deserving of the award this year. He tweeted the Brawn James is definitely the MVP this season. He's almost averaging double double twenty five points ten assists and basically eight rebounds per game. His defense has been amazing and there's no better leader in sports. tweets. I Love Magic Johnson Sweater He's right, though I mean he has the statistics. Obviously honest has has great numbers as well so that's kind of the argument for honest. This year is that they are? They do have the best record in the League, and he has better numbers than he had last year when he wanted to be, but again like I said yesterday. The the narrative or the criteria for who wins the MVP changes literally every single year. So, why would it not change this year? It's like they're constantly in view closer and moving in further away the finish line if you have to learn a new if you have to change positions with an entirely new roster. And your number one in the West. Why are we even having a discussion? He had he has now he's leads the League in assists. He's like well. We'll want decided I want to lead the League in assists. I just feel like for this year. If you're looking at what Janas and Lebron are dealing with. Its, I mean. Why wouldn't you honest put up better numbers this year? He did great last year, and he's an essentially the same exact situation. He was in last year, so of course he's going to put up better numbers than that. The idea goes Lebron is overcome more right to put up his numbers in Janas. Yes, that's not even argue again. It's not taking anything away from. Performance in new coach, new roster new position just overcome more Rana's envy. Finally NFL training cancer set to open within the next week and teams will be facing some roster restrictions. Multiple reports indicated NFL. Teams are expecting to have eighty man rosters at the start of training camp. That's down from ninety a typical year, so that's as bad news for any unsigned undrafted free agents. It's bad news. runny veterans who were looking to get on a? A roster this year, or any you know rookies that are drafted later and later rounds. They're going to really have to have great performances in these camps, or they're going to get replaced by those veterans who are waiting that have that have tape it's it's GonNa be very interesting for for NFL teams I found this actually kind of kind of shocking, not in that they want to limit the amount of players that are there, but. What's the situation for replacing players? If they are, they do test positive like I got into this discussion. The other day with a friend we were at the beach on Monday took the day off and we're talking about this. I said you know every one of these sports. NBA May be doing it right. Bob It and the NFL's not going to do that and the NFL's a contact sport. Is that. What if the NFL just did? Play two weeks. Two weeks off your plate, so teams would play two two weeks off now. That sounds ludicrous, but what it would allow is at least for about a month. As as cases ramped up, you'd have like fourteen days in between games. I I think the NFL's going to happen, but I think it's GonNa look so much different than it's ever looked I think they'll just kind of figure it out and kind of bulldoze their way through it like you have. But I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL didn't say you know what what's the hurry are super bowls in the warm weather site. Let's just have less add two to three buys per team. So if you do have a contact sport, you're not going to do i. mean the bubbles really figured it out. Nobody can do is so there's so. What facility could even handle? That's right the Trianon. Can't do a bubble because the NBA needs to work about six weeks me to work for. That amount of personnel is dramatically lower. Yes, yes, the NFL your point is the right point which is, you can't do a bubble in the NFL right so if you're going to do it in a contact sport. I wouldn't be shocked at the NFL doesn't do. We just extend the season five to six weeks I. I think that the NFL is going to learn a lot from MLB because they are coming back and they are not in a bubble now, whereas it's not a contact sport, you are still going to be in locker rooms together. You are still going to be around each other, so I think that they will actually learn more from MLB and how that works then the NBA, because I mean the bubble is just a completely different scenario. The bubble may end up being the way to do it i. mean you have see bought an island i? Mean that's kind of. It's kind of it probably is the way to do it, but you have to be able to APPA facility that can hold the people that you have in your league, or you're in your sport, and there is no facility on earth that exists that can have an. NFL No positive tests in UFC's working. They've bubbled it. One bought an island in, but you have see is what twenty fighters at a time it's their limited staff. Even without like we're just going to go out of the country to an island. It's essentially a bubble. It's only GonNa work for sport. That has that limited. Athlete that's right. That's why football is going to be. It's going to be really interesting. They better be nimble, which they generally have through the years. Joy The news. Well! That's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard lie, so nick right? thinks on crazy on this. I said before is. We judge players when they leave who they join US players and the question is who you join as an owner. Who Do you join his GM? Who Do you join as a coach? Michael Jordan couldn't overcome certain coaches. Lebron hasn't been able to overcome. Let's be honest with the Brown. In the four years in Miami. One coach Gm four finals two titles. In the other. Her teen years he says seven coaches and seven executives and one title and brought to you by Mercedes Benz. The best or nothing Nick Wright joins us, so I said Kevin Durant I think downgraded in the owner. GM coach, thing and top teammate thing. Leonard I think is set. Was Steve Balmer Doc rivers? Paul George Lou Williams Quality Front office and I think in five years from today. Co Is GonNa have four or five finals three or four MVP. And Kevin Hall for piece you. You're out of your mind. I'm sorry to interrupt. It's your show. You've gone crazy all right first of all as far as. Leonard and upgrade one could argue he has gotten worse as far as franchise, GM and coach at each place you go from Popovich in the Spurs the best in the League to Messiah Usury. Nick nurses about the winning coach of the year and a team that won sixty games with Algebra. And now you're at the Clippers and listen doc rivers. Dade coaching a finals back when w was president. President, so maybe some of that will rub off on them I. Don't know. I, do know that he had Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, and they never even made a conference finals, but this this is unbelievable and I appreciate you give me the opportunity to defend Kevin Durant because you did vintage Colin Coward thing you didn't do. Vintage Colin Coward. Today already shows only thirty two minutes long. Were like I'm a minimalist minimalist when you were talking about buying what I assume was your third or fourth piece of real estate of the week. The other one was when you said you said listen Oh. Yeah, Client Gedi. They both made a bunch of all star teams. One guys made ten. The other guys made four so of Katie retires and Leonard makes the next five all star teams. He'll almost catch him. Him Do you know work why Leonard Ranks in NBA history points? I'll answer for you. Don't because no one does because the rankings only go through two hundred fifty and he ain't in the top two fifty Colin. I got three names for you Wesley Matthews Marvin Williams and Jeff teed those three old time. Greats have all scored more points in their career than Qui- I've got three more names for you. Jared Dudley. Amazing unselfish player, Land Stevenson and dynamic playmaker Dwight Howard. Those three players all have more career assists than Kawhi. Who's twenty nine years old? He's not a young guy. Before we start, saying is going to be better than Kevin Durant, can't he mark? Can you match? Joe Folks no disrespect to the Qatada Clipper. Team all MBA's like this pump the brakes please I mean it's. K. D. Mrs One year and you forget who he is well when Colli wins the title this year on a third different when he wins the next six. We'll see. He's got to win the title I got to actually win the title I so I was saying this yesterday. When you've been title starved, and you get a little taste of in Kansas City. Gorge you binge so I got Chris. Jones now is like at five raids seven and I'm like Dibella. Check retires Lamar Jackson not playing. What if drew lock is amazing? You're paying now. The highest paid quarterback has won a super bowl since the early nineties. Could. We slow the Kansas City dynasty down a tad little bit. Well Luckily. Luckily, mahomes will never be the highest paid. He doesn't have a cat that hit forty million for seven years by then. That's NFL salary cap. Be Thirty million. The fact that you included drew lock I'm GonNa just assume that was a senior moment. We're GONNA throw that out, but listen. Here's the thing about the NFL, Colin Dynasties are regular occurrences. Every decade ever has had them. The sixties had a dynasty. There were the packers. Seventies had a dynasty. They were the steelers. The eighties ended dynasty was the niners. The Ninety s dynasty was the cowboys the all Tattoo Dynasty was the patriots the tens at a dynasty. It was the Patriots and by the way within those years. Years. You had kind of many dynasties. The dolphins made three straight super bowls in doing the seventies. In the eighties, the giants made two out of five years one two out of five in the nineties. The broncos went back to back like dynasties in basketball and football always happen, so I heard you mention Baltimore Baltimore is unbelievable. It would be nice. Listen Lamar's nineteen and two in his career in the regular season as a starter against everyone, except for that guy who is into against, and he's yet to win a playoff game. Meanwhile mahomes has had the lead with one minute left in every playoff game. He's ever played in so I'm not exactly terrified about Baltimore drew lock. Okay and the chiefs. If you had to pick a team, that's going to win a bunch of super bowls. Of course, pick the chiefs and one more note I heard you mentioned. No preseason limited off season. The last time we had this twenty ten going into twenty eleven. What happened? The packers Super Bowl champions in two thousand ten? Nobody has an offseason twenty eleven. They go fifteen and one. The lack of an off season helps teams that are bringing back stars that have continuity. The chiefs have that more than anybody. Reasonable argument, let's shift of this. I'll give you Lebron. Finish up if I ask you tomorrow. I look no more sports for you. I WANNA farm report and you did it. Brilliantly I would be like. That's a that's an MVP. Level broadcaster. Lebron is now asked. Hey, just be a point guard. Avery Bradley won't play in the playoffs Rondo. Won't a new coach new roster new best teammate plan position, and he leads the League in assists. I don't even think the MVP races close. He's had so much more to overcome than. Our Harden! But I hear you're not Lebron MVP guy this year. No jaanus is the MVP. Here's the deal Lebron rightfully should have seven league MVP. In year three. He finished second to Steve Nash. That was when the whole media was just nuts over Nash's second. That was an absurdity and he the Derek. Rose MVP was obviously. The media was angry because Lebron went to Miami and steps first BP Lebron's first. You're back in Cleveland. He should have won all three of those, but this year. Janas deserves Janas averaging as many points in as minutes as he's playing thirty points and thirty minutes, he's been. been the best defensive player in the sport, even better than Anthony Davis, and yes, Lebron has been asked to do so much, but he also does have ad alongside him. Now I think it's as it goes along Kareem, abdul-jabbar one finals. MVP separated by thirteen seasons. Lebron's going to top two in BP. Finishes separated by thirteen seasons. It speaks to the longevity of what he's accomplished, but Janas deserves to win. The MVP let me add this though Colin. I don't know if it's good for him and by that I mean this. If the box, don't win the title this back toback MVP's will start to be used against. The bucks don't win. The title Janas is next man up what the media did to Lebron and ended up leaving Cleveland with the media, did Decay D and he ended up leaving. Okay? See they will do to Jaanus. If you are that level of player and you don't breakthrough with a championship, it starts being used as a negative, so he's listen. He's going to do something only. Akeem Jordan did Lebron should have done in two thousand thirteen. He got screwed by a couple of the voters which is when league. League MVP and defensive player of the year in the same season, but if he finishes it off with a NBA championship, then there's no question. The Best Player alive is if he doesn't people start tearing him down maybe unfairly, but that's what he is in store for over the next eight weeks as we determine what Milwaukee can do. I thought you were very good. Today you brought a lot of energy didn't like the senior moment shot at me, but you know that. Is You get a little bit gray hair? That's what you get. Nick Right I think I. See you later in all right nick. Good stuff bill polian. Hall of Fame Front Office will be joining us next hour. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific. GEICO fifteen percent credit in your car, motorcycle and RV policies. Go to. GEICO DOT COM to learn more switch by October seventh and get fifteen percent off, so nick right thinks I'm crazy on this, but it's funny that I think in five years because I think Kawhi. Leonard is GONNA. Win The finals this year. The clippers are going to win. It and Co is going to be the MVP and it will be his third title on his third different team and he's the MVP. How do I not consider him top ten player of all time well, he doesn't play every night. You've never said that mattered. When matter you never said that mattered well, he's not top two hundred and fifty points. You never said that mattered. Karl Malone got way more points than Michael. You never said that mattered Kareem's got more points than anybody. You don't even think he's the best center. Many of you stay wilt. Or Shack. Or Bill Russell Bill Russell didn't even score. Passable is not a great assist Guy Jordan was. I mean magic's better passer than Michael Jordan. Believes that magic better than. Michael. Jordan I mean I think it's closer than people think. But I guess my point. Is You keep telling me it's all about finals. And Championships and the ability to make the big shots in the big stops in games. I'm listening. If Kawhi Leonard Wins this year. He wanted to San Antonio is a baby. The youngest guy to ever win finals MVP youngest ever younger than Michael. Younger than Lebron. He goes to Toronto Canada hockey. Country Wins with a team. None of us thought would win. Myself included joy, thought it that was it in the whole world, and then he goes los. Angeles, to the clippers, the Cleveland Browns for thirty years and he wins this year. How is that not a top ten player? You keep telling me what matters? Winning make for stop hit the bucket better and big spots. That's why Jordan's better than Lebron. Right because Lebron's got way better numbers, Lebron's GonNa. Blow Michael Jordan away in terms of games played total point total cest total rebounds total final appearances. Lebron's going to crush Michael and everything. But Michael. Hit the big shots. He was the MVP and he wanted. If it's if it's if that's it, what do I do with Leonard? I'm telling you right now. I think right now today. Kevin durant better than Kawhi. I think it's way closer than everybody thinks they both had issues. They both have to MVP's in the finals. They both have two titles Kevin's a more profound score. Is a much better defensive player. Much better defensive player that that's something so again we know offense in the NBA is more important than been defense. Right like we know that. Okay and that's Katie gets the advantage more all-stars. He's been an elite player longer. But you start, talk- Dirk Nowitzki and Colli Leonard. WHO's better today? If it's just points, it's Dirk I'd say if collide Leonard Wins a finals. He's not better than Dirk Nowitzki. What. Ha-? So. Fans want to be heard. Okay, these big ears! I'm listening you. Keep telling me the only reason MJ beats Lebron. It's not stats, not numbers. It is who was better in crunch time and I think that's a valid argument. Michael and crunch time was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. Lebron crunch time is often been unbelievable, but not as consistently unbelievable, so Lebron is second MJ. The first guy ever to go to three teams, three championships, three MVP's, and he's still got seven eight years left potentially. A. All, I'm going to say is we tend to be prisoners of the moment I? Try Not to be sometimes I am fans are very much prisoners at the moment. You tell me what I'm supposed to say. Whereby put coli in a month in two months. He is holding the trophy for the third time MVP for the third coach. The team, the third third GM, the third franchise. What are what are we supposed to put him? Seems like to me. That's a top ten player of all time because you've never said. It's about plan back to backs. You've never you've never said it's about point you've never said. It's about assist now I do think the assists is what makes Lebron, the best player, a lot of guys that score, but Lebron's ability to elevate everybody is really what makes him the first or second best player of all time. I'm just I'm going to hold you WANNA. Hold me accountable. I WanNa hold you accountable. Three finals, three titles, three MVP's collide a top ten player. Say Hello to Casper company with outrageously comfortable products, but not outrageously expensive products go to Casper. Dot Com everything to build the dream bedroom. I'm holding nick right accountable on a break and no more old guy shots I'll tell you that Bill Polian Rob Parker. Around the corner. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on-demand whenever you like. Oh here we go into our to our APP but so lutely packed live been lost angeles. This is the her wherever you may be, and however you may be listening Iheartradio Fox sports, radio and F S One. proud of everybody here on our staff We have kind of made it through. Without any games for like four five months, it's not been easy. We're getting really close. I've been watching. UFC AND MLS last couple of nights. A baseball's right around the corner. In fact, what we have a game Thursday Yep and NBA's about nine ten days away of getting it straight, getting very close join I. we're talking. Joy Taylor the radio audience. We're talking during the break. Is I've never worried that Like if you don't like me, that's okay. You have a right not to like me like I I don't like all sorts of politicians. They don't care about me what you should worry about is. You know. Make sure the people that do like you feel that you've got their back so when people rip the NBA. Go to their twitter account and find their last thirty NBA posts if there are thirty negative posts, who gives a rip? They don't like the sport and there's a lot of people don't like the NBA I do I grew up with it. I love it sometimes. It drives me nuts. Sometimes, the players I roll my eyes at their decisions, but it stylish. It's fun. It's player driven. It's unique. It's flashy. It's all the things like football's not but I. Think I like those things to. Watch mob shows I. DON'T WANNA. Be a mobster. I watch serial killer shows I wouldn't want to have to chase a serial killer. I like stuff that I'm not. I'm not stylish, I like style watching people who are stylish, so it's funny about Coli Leonard for all the people that criticize the NBA Kawhi Leonard is absolutely the Guy You should love. Doesn't do politics. All he cares about basketball. He's not stylish. He goes works. Hard grind goes. Home hangs out with his family. He's one of the reasons he's not as love. He doesn't fit into any of these boxes. He doesn't talk politics. Hell, he doesn't talk. He didn't have a flashy shoe deal. He's not stylish. He's like the Anti Harden. So to me if you're if you bang on the NBA and go I wish guys just played the game. That's all Kawhi Leonard is he is just a hooper doesn't care about anything else. That is it and it's perfect because the Lakers have always been glamorous and flashy, and the clippers have always had kind of discount tickets, and there there are working. Working Working Class if you can afford the MBA, but the clippers been little more working class than the Lakers. which is you know Lakers Hollywood glamour in uptown? It's movie. Stars and agents in the clippers are like for people that have normal jobs want to go to the NBA afford nine hundred dollar seat or a thirteen hundred dollar night for their family. Embodies the clippers. He's just head down. Grind it basketball, no politics, no style. Let's get it done so if you don't like the NBA, and you wish players are more like NFL players Meekali Leonard that is exactly what he is, and he doesn't fit into the box. It's not. Most guys in the NBA. They gotTA style to get an agent. Twitter got. He's got none of it. Like none of it. It's like there's nothing about him. That screams NBA a football player. That plays NBA Odell Beckham. NBA Player in the NFL CO is an NFL player in the NBA. He's always Kinda hurt. He grinds he not really into politics. He shows up and he's tough. He'll guard the toughest guy. He's coach -able despite the Popovich stuff. He's coach -able. He was very sociable in Toronto. In! Los! Angeles. I wanted to go. Yeah, I mean I guess my point is in Colli? The if he wins the championship this year. The only reason we are not considering him a top ten player because he lacks stuff that nobody's ever asked for. We never said he had to be stylish to be an all time. Great, he's not. We never said you had to be political or talk or overly verbal. He's not. We never said he had to have a bunch of points. If if that was the case, then we'd all talk Karl Malone all day. Okay so Kawais just doing what you tell me you like. No politics, win games heus titles, play your butt off and go home and care about your sport. He's exactly that. Why don't you like him? We really is the ultimate hooper if you think about it if he does win, a championship or finals MVP with the clippers. Being with three very very different organizations as well I mean. One, yes, the ultimate coach controlled yes, and then the number two kind of shaky now relevant brandon the NBA how relevant now stable but traditionally? Disaster? Yes, it's just going to be unbelievable and everywhere he goes. He wins at the highest level everywhere, and he's the best player on the floor. He's the best guy to get a basket and the best gotTA stop. You? Just because people don't this, this is what Russell Wilson faces. He doesn't fit into the box you want. Russell Wilson's a little short. He runs a little too much. He's a little optimistic. Slash Corny. Sometimes he doesn't. He doesn't fit into the box. You want and we struggle when athletes they don't. All should look like Joe. Montana well, he did mostly for a long time but I mean Big Ben get a razor six six runs around. We initially with Ben with Cam. They don't fit now now. Better Than Cam but Russell Wilson has been doesn't quite fit into the box. Steve Young face this by the way Steve Young Face Steve was left handed. Steve Played I in another football league the USFL He, didn't he didn't go college to the pros he went college he went to another league left handed. He didn't play traditional power. He ran around more than he threw initially. We didn't know what to do with Steve Young. Steve Young was unbelievable. He was Russell. Wilson left-handed. Steve any replaced Joe Montana. So we never gave Steve Young. Credit Steve Young one of the ten best quarterbacks in the history of the League Russell Wilson and Steve Young, they don't fit into the box. Co., why doesn't fit in? We'll box would also kind of speaks to what do we actually evaluate when it comes to athletes and the best athletes? Is it really just their play on the court or on the feel? Of intangibles or outside factors carry a role in how we evaluate it winning. All I want. Everyone says, but when you think about it when you start looking at the actual facts and numbers and winning and all the championships and finals, MVP's and consistency and availability and all those things. Is that really what you're evaluating or you? Talking about the school? He went to his performance in college and. His Style and flair and interviews, and all those things do include. Lebron Brady. Russell Wilson. Like winners urban Meyer Sabin Bella Check win games I don't care about anything else. I. Don't Care About your style. Winning certainly elevates it, but you do become attached to personalities as well. It plays a role speaking of Steve Young. I like Jimmy. Garoppolo I think more than most of you I I don't think he's homes, but I think he's really good. But when you argue against me on the one thing you have that I can't argue out of is Kyle. Shanahan basically took the ball out of his hands. During the playoffs, multiple times literally said we're not throwing with you and I'm like. Kyle Shanahan is taken about Jimmy Garoppolo sans then he's not as good as I think and Steve Young. Speaking of him was talking about Jimmy Garoppolo, and the next phase. He has to eclipse or standard. He has to hit going forward. There's something about Kyle on him that you felt through the playoffs, a lack of trust and whether it was true I just perception, it doesn't matter at some level, and that that's the number one thing that I, if I were Jimmy that I will be focused on is making sure both truth and perception that couch trust me and willing to put the ball in my hands at anytime anyplace you know any form and continually. That's the thing that this season's really about to me. Is Kyle and Jimmy? Jimmy Earnings Kyle's. And comic actress hundred percent I I don't doubt that, but the perception is another piece of the puzzle. You WanNa. See that out in the play calling in key moments. It's really interesting about this. There are a lot and I'm talking about winning teams and playoff teams were I. Don't feel. The coach totally trust the player. I, think, SEAN! McDermott likes, Josh Allen. I think he takes the ball out of his hands and key spots and thinks he's GonNa win with defense. Matt Nagy Does Not Touch Trubisky, trust trubisky Gruden I do not believe totally trust Derek Carr Mike. Zimmer doesn't trust Mike. Kirk cousins L.. Times Mike Vrabel clearly didn't trust Ryan Tannehill with the ball in the playoffs. Shanahan and Garoppolo And these are winning team. Some are playoff teams. I mean I'll ask you this. When you watch Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. Why don't they let Russell? Wilson have a bigger say in the offense. Why are they still run centric? Isn't Russell the second mess. quarterback in the League doesn't feel like trust me. I watched the Green Bay packers draft. This is not a shot Aaron Rodgers, but they drafted a blocking tight end a running back three interior, offensive linemen and a quarterback. Feels like to me. They're pulling the ball out of Aaron. Rodgers hands not putting the ball in Aaron Rodgers hands. So it looks like to me to me. There's five relationships in the NFL. That, I honestly believe. That the coach totally trust the player. That he will, he will throw down the play sheet I think Andy Reid. Mahomes Doug Peterson Wentz Harbaugh, Lamar Bill O'Brien Sean, Payton and breeze. They will call any play anywhere anytime. Throw from your end zone and. Now no defensive coaches there none four offensive and a special team Guy John Harbaugh. But it. It's funny when you talk about well. The the coach doesn't. Really feel like he trust the quarterback. Five of them in this league and I think I think. Last year I think harbaugh and Lamar I didn't see that until about Thanksgiving on I think Lamar was so great for the first seven or eight weeks that harbaugh came to the conclusion. The kid just makes plays I'm going to give it to him, but I don't feel that Seattle OAS Trust Russell Wilson I. I don't think Gruden. No is trust, Jon, Gruden I. Don't think Mike Zimmer always trust cousins. I don't think Shanahan Trust Jimmy Garoppolo I don't. You know. I didn't put Brady Marian's because I've never seen him play together. I didn't put Dacca McCarthy I've never seen him work together, but I think it's I think it's rare. Denna coach is like all right, third and nine from are you? Don't deepen our own territory. Go for it I don't think you see a lot of it. I don't and you don't see it ever from defensive coaches. You just you just don't. All right bill. Polian is an NFL hall of fame executive. He is going to be joining us next. Don't go anywhere good hair day for me. 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They haven't given the title have been very good for I think the one division. WHAT FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS! But they just can't get past that spot. A Bill Polian thirty two years as an NFL executive. He is a hall of Famer. He got to three straight. Super Bowls with the bills. He won a championship with colts. He made the panthers in the year to a conference championship game team, and he is joining us from Beautiful Cape Cod. He's about the third guy that's join me from Cape Cod via the coward, Global Satellite Network, and they're all happy. Because it's like eighty degrees, and it's beautiful and Cape Cod. Let's start with this. The preseason is gonNA. Get scrapped now. As a as a sports caster I've never thought it's fair to fans. You got to pay big prices for preseason games. I don't love it for the players where you get per diem more than salary, I don't love it but I get it. Does it bother you as a GM potentially going forward, not have none this year and potentially reduce significantly. Well the significant reduction going forward bothers me Colin because. In a normal year, and this is anything but normal for our country in every in every way, so let's scrap this year in a normal year you would want at least three preseason games to get your team ready to get your guys ready to play football, and most importantly to give the younger players and the undrafted free agents a chance to show what they can do. Absent a preseason game this year. Those young players will get very little chance to show what they can do. so that hurts the the future growth of your team, so we need. If they settle a to going forward, Grit might teach and say okay. You can make that work, but anything less than that. No, not not in the long run. You Know Kansas. City's talking now. You know they were so championship star. Star forever. They got a little taste of it this year. Now everybody's talking dynasty and you know you actually had a mini dynasty in Buffalo. You just kept facing teams like the cowboys, but when you were building it, there's there are there's liabilities their concerns. You have to deal with a different set of problems when you get great. What would worry you about Kansas City over the next four or five years going forward? Well number one the CAP. But Patrick's contract. Helps that great really helps it greatly. Number one issues the cap because when you get good, everybody wants to get paid, and you just simply can't pay everybody. It's that simple. That's why the CAP is there. That's what it's designed to do is to rob. Good teams have good players right. and spread them out around the league, so that would be number. One worry number to worry would be other key players besides Patrick, and Jones and Kelsey would be the guy that I would think about right right immediately. It's if Kelsey were to get hurt or isn't available. That really bothers me. Because his such a weapon, he makes all the rest of the passing game. Golf Patrick sent a class by himself, but Kelsey makes all the rest of it. Go, the other thing is. The defense has been patched together excellently by the general manager. Read each and Andy and spags, but a lot of them are veteran sort of spare parts. Long Lifetime Yup so you're going to need to replace those guys with players of similar talent going forward if the defense is to stay great, and you're not GonNa win with Patrick alone. You gotTa have an order to win the super. Bowl into, get to the Super Bowl. You have to have a very good defense, and and they do right now, but we're going to have to keep feeding players into that. You know the the Brady thing to Tampa fascinating because tom is very intense, he comes from a very detailed officiant system with the best coach ever. And now, Tom. WHO's a pretty obsessed detail guy. Intense guy goes down to chill out. Bruce Arians Ebor city Tampa. I've always said this bill. It's very easy to take intense guy and ask him to chill out a little bit. That's Tom Coughlin Tom Chill out a little bit. It is different to ass. Chill guy to deal with intensity for twenty weeks of the NFL season and I keep going back to Thomas Older. He's got his ways. He's going to bark. He's very intense, and I don't know if all those young Tampa guys in coaches if it works it. Is he going to overwhelm them, and and and and take some people off? Are you concerned at all about that? No nobody is gonNA. Take the top guy in place off. They're just not and and everybody will fall in line. He's the goat, so whatever he says goes. That's true of a normal NFL starting quarterback. Imagine the greatest of all time so. Forget about that? They're going to follow his lead. Bruce is in his own way quite intense when. I worked with so when you're around them every day. You recognize that he's all coach and get it done, but he's such a great quarterback coach that he will work with Brady and do what Brady feels. He can do well. That's what Bruce does best. He's GonNa put him in his best light so I. Don't I don't WanNa -ticipant any problems along those lines the the history. History of these things tells you that WanNa player, an elite player changes teams at the end of his career. After he's had a long run with another team, he normally has a great bounceback year that year with the new team, and then father time enters the equation. So expect Tom to be dynamite. By the way this is interesting for you, so you dealt with Jim Kelly unbelievable. peyton manning unbelievable talent is as a general manager. Is it different having a superstar quarterback in the building. Does it change the mood? The vibe our their eggshells I. Mean you had peyton Intense Jim Kelly. Tough Guy. What's it like in the building? There are no eggshells. There's nothing but rose pedal. and. Here's the example we're getting on the bus in two thousand eleven when Peyton is with us. And a player and a coach. said to me, you know. We'd get on this bus every Sunday. Morning every game day morning and eighteen was here. We knew we had a fifty fifty chance to win no matter who the opponent was. We don't have that anymore. That's what that guy gives you. He gives you hope every single week. No matter what goes wrong. No matter who else is hurt, it doesn't matter. That guy gives you hope there are no eggshells nothing but rose. Rate! So the the deck negotiation was very public and I'm sitting there. Thinking in most normal organizations bill Polian doesn't want a year long public you know negotiation, and it's just not what anybody you want this stuff to be like mahomes or Carson wentz boom overdone. We can stop talking about money. Do, you think. In. The Dallas cowboys are run so differently than everybody else, but do you think in the end of the day that deck I mean let's be honest. No state tax cowboys go line Zeke Amari. They offer him one hundred and six million dollars. Did he in the end? Should deck of just said you know what I've gotten pretty much everything in this league. They're gonNA. Pay Me one hundred, six million I'll sign for five. Not Four, or do you defend the player and Dak San I won you a lot of games and I made me money. I'm going to get this year's right on this. Where did you fall on that? Well. You should have gone to law school because you just made both cases. The fact of the matter is that this is really a tough call, and but but I think what the cowboys are doing is saying. Hey. We're about ninety five percent of the way their. Dock won't budge. Let's let Mike McCarthy coach him for a year and have Mike. Come back and tell us at the end of the year I can win a couple of super bowls with this guy, or maybe we need to go in another direction I think this is Mike. McCarthy's call in the long run after he's had a year to work with. And Jerry's had a year to see him. Work with Jack with back and see what the team looks like at that point, I don't think it's. A Win Win for everybody DAX, making thirty one million bucks, so that's twenty nine million more than he made a year ago. And and Mike McCarthy gets to coach him and install an offense and see. How does it? You know it's interesting, so you want an you built Buffalo, and then you build Indianapolis and you've Got Carolina to the NFC championship in their second year, and there's a handful of teams in the NFL. They have the young coach and quarterback. Arizona's got the coach and quarterback and now Carolina's got a new coach and Teddy for a few years. And you and you see about four or five of these organizations were right now. It's more promise than results in productivity. If you could sit down with a with a with a team like in Arizona that that thinks they have the coach and things to have the quarterback. How what are the first couple of steps I'm a fan watching and I'm like I think we have the right guys, but everybody's really young and unproven. When you went into Buffalo in Carolina in Indianapolis. What were the first two or three steps to build the culture to ensure? It lasts a long time. Number one have the right coach Marv Levy Tony. Dungy Dom Capers, absolutely the right coaches under every circumstance. That's how you build the culture to. Build the defense. If you have the quarterback and you have the coach. The next thing that you need is a defense that can take you all the way. Number three. Build the offensive line because you have to be able to run the football in order to win big. And and you have to be able to. Run, the football and short yardage and goal line. If you're going to go all the way, so you have to have the offensive line, and then you have to have a back or backs, who can convert in short yardage and goal? Get a kicker. Cocaine kick under. PRESSURE BECAUSE When it's all, said and done when you go to the big game, kickers win championships, so those are the next things you have to build. The coach will bring the culture. The organization has got a committed itself to bringing the right players into create a fifty three man unit that goes with the coach and goes with the quarterback, and that's the hardest thing to do. It's hard on two fronts number one. You have to be right in selecting the personnel and number two. The organization has to commit to it. Not Be satisfied to have oh, this is a great year and there's a lot of buzz about us in which selling tickets that doesn't mean. Mean anything in the long run if you'RE GONNA win the Super Bowl. It's a long hard slog. It took US five years from start to the Super Bowl in Buffalo. It took us a while took Carolina when off the rails after we left and took them about eight more years to finally get there, and then with the colts. It took US five years to get to the Super Bowl, so it's it's if it isn't done overnight. And all those other things have to be in place by the way you're about an year about a forty minute. Drive away from Bella. Check your up in Cape Cod bills right down. Have you seen bill lately? I haven't seen it. We saw each other in January at the at the hall of fame. Committee meeting where we selected the additional members to the hall of fame on fortunately will not go in next weekend, but but next year. and. We had a nice talk and we work together in evaluating the old time players who were considered for the hall of fame, so that was a great meeting, but I haven't seen him since he's on that Sucker, which is a a long boat. Ride away from where I've been to both heaven on earth up their bill. It's absolutely you know how much I like you thank you so much for stopping by show today. My pleasure appreciate it all right bill polian boy. When I was at ESPN, I learned a lot from bill like I would just sit down and grill bill. Just tell me why this matters. This matters. One of the thing he talked about. Is that Pete Carroll's great coach? He doesn't pay attention to the offensive line. It drives me. Nuts drives me nuts about Pete Carroll. Bill O'Brien. Doesn't pay attention to the offensive line drives me nuts. POLIAN gotTa Build Offensive Line you know I always, said this league simple. It's take the coach. We obviously can't one of the bad coach. Get A quarterback. Protect him and get there's. That's it Gimme, pass rushers protect my quarterback. My quarterback rest of its commentary joy with the news. Heard on the news. This is the third line news. Thing. That's the first time I heard. Anyone put emphasis on getting a good kicker. It's that's why. When a few years ago Tampa drafted a kicker nerve. Everybody's like. A terrible pick I'm like. Yep Nine linebackers on your roster behalf the draft another linebacker. If you're by the way Tampa his been lousy special teams for years, you can go to New England dynasty. How many games they win with a kick? I mean kickers. Put put points on the board. I've never understood this argument with fans in basketball, five guys who put the ball in the basket? The leaving scores in the NFL were often kicker. Why would draft a kicker via bad if you get? You can get a generational kicker that will be with your team for two decades. Check his drafted kickers. Adam venit terry like I. Don't know I. Don't by the way the the guy the Baltimore Kicker for best kicker in the League right now. Justin Tucker. You've got to be kidding. You literally go to games, not having to worry about. He does sing opera. I understand fancy. You can't draft the kicker. Check. Picker absolutely do so on a surprise. Everyone back in April saying he did not have access to a basketball hoop during quarantine. It turns out. The honest was just messing with us. Tuesday, that was not true, and he only said it to try and get a little bit ahead of the competition. Well, not they but Jaanus. Sir Now Look I. Don't know WHO's an underestimate Yonathan to begin with so. I don't think anyone was like. Real, but it'll be easy. Honest hasn't been practicing I. Don't think anyone's really looking at it like that, but it is kind of funny now that said you and I have been kind of curious as to how some of these. Really top level top paid guy middleton haven't had access to. Don't get or don't get it like gyms and it seems like that was maybe an effort thing. Obviously, everyone's situation is different. You don't know everyone's family situation, but in four much it can't find a live. You are capable of working out or getting to Jim and you haven't been, and you are one of those guys who makes you know high end money, and you have access to different kinds of facilities and things haven't been. It might be a little bit of an effort thing in that situation, but it wasn't free honest. He was working out the whole time he did have access to a gym and he just playing, so you guys would. Take lightly and he could dominate. He's averaging twenty nine point six points per game thirteen point seven rebounds and five points assists obviously favorite to be the MVP. Even, though I think he should go to the Bronx, so the Lakers had been great away from Staples Center this season, the League best twenty six and six record on the road, and their teams is trying to keep that success. Going by looking at their time in Orlando is just an extended road trips. Anthony Davis said. That's how he's approaching the bubble just like he would any normal away game and keeping his same game day routine. So. The routine thing I think is always very interesting when it comes to athletes, allies Zaveri routine people because you do have to play a lot of games on the road. You're playing away from your facility away from your family, but you are doing that constantly, so you have a way game routine. You have a home game routine for me. I've become a very routine person. Because I was working on undisputed, I had to get up at three twenty in the morning, so during the week keeping routine. Gets a bet on time. It's helps to perform better. Get eat certain things you can't. You can't have alcohol during the week like that's very similar to that. Like I got very attached to my routine anything that threw me off from my routine I'd be like now that I'm not gonna be able to do my job, but it does affect you mentally so looking at all this as an away game. Because essentially, everyone's playing away games like there is no homecourt advantage. The mature teams are going to figure this out. Real Quick Lacquers are an old veteran team. That should be a piece of cake from it. I think it's I think it's I. think it all depends on mentality, because while I do think that you're right. Being having more experienced under pressure, which is is very pressure filled. Situation will be an advantage to older players, but then you. You have to consider older. Players are usually the ones with families and the ones with other businesses and a lot of things going on outside about bubble, whereas the younger players don't have all those distractions, they just need to lock in and focus on being in the bubble, and staying present so I think it's going to be mentality all around for for every team in the situation. They're starting scrimmages today that you can actually watch which. I will be participating. So. Sports sports are creeping back a few hours away, so the dodgers are trying to keep McGee bats in La for a long time that's in the dodgers are reportedly close to a massive contract extension that could be done in the next few days, so the deal is said to be for ten plus years and worth between three, hundred, fifty and four hundred million. Great. Been Funny Dodgers have passed on a lot of big contracts passed on Machado long-term. They passed on Bryce Harper. They passed on Zach so this would be at tells you what the Front Office thinks monkey. Bats, that tells you. They think he's the best with the second best player in baseball also kind of interesting because. A lot of things can change moneywise so this is a huge deal. Massive long-term Von Steel to be signing during this time. Dodgers are a such a great I think. They dropped four and a half million and and let me tell you. About six seven dodger games since I've been here, that thing is a financial term style, they are selling all my God that is cash. Cow Man, those garlic price. Everything they just food. Drink got bars everywhere. That's that place is built. You can watch the game and eat all over the only thing about going into dodgers games is it's full day commitment with the traffic. Getting in and out. That's why helicopter into all my favorite. I've really because it's you're going. You're going to be insignificant traffic getting there and and leaving unless you unless you leave early, but it's a great experience and having. Obviously be birds for them. They face the giant Saturday four PM Eastern on Fox. That is a commerce. Ballpark. They have figured it out views food. The ice cream in the helmet. Tolerance dusting. No, it's not at all. You gotta eat like that four or five times a summer called being human joy the news. Well. That's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard Law Parker shockingly agrees with me on something. That's next to her. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific by the way Rob Parker who's a an adjunct professor at USC. He's doing very well for himself. coast the odd couple. He joins US here at least once a week. Rob Parker joining me once again with new sports coat probably cost him a Nicol v the coward global. Satellite, network we don't agree on much. But. I'M GONNA. Throw this out. I said if coli Leonard in two months three months is hosting a trophy. Then you keep telling me all. That matters is championships. He's going to have three MVP's three teams three titles. I think you can make the argument. He has surpassed Kevin Durant. As an all time player, Nick writes that I'm nuts am I. Know. You're not because along with Kevin Durant Guay player. But if you're Kuweit, Leonard and Colin think about this. If, you were able to go back to back championships on two franchises that had never won Jack Toronto, and then the clippers the also ran clippers. You're able to win back to back championships and make that kind of a difference. And then when in three different places where you were the big guy. You were one of the big guys in this. It would it would put you it legendary status in the NBA. It really would and then think about this. You. Spurn abroad didn't go to the Lakers, and you went to La and you want in Lebron, house you want as you know in the Staples Center in La. This was supposed to be Lebron Tom. In La Oh yeah, this would be huge if he wins the championship You know it's interesting. I said everybody considers Lebron's low point. The decision but I can argue. When he went to Miami, he upgraded owner, GM coach and star player I thought. His biggest mistake was leaving Miami. To Go to Cleveland, which is a downgrade in coach in GM in roster in owner. Too often we fall in love with a story, and we love the story of Lebron going back to Cleveland, but he left Pat Riley Aid Erik Spoelstra. No chaos, great owner I thought it was the biggest mistake of his life you. Think away will be if he doesn't win a championship. Your Colin to be honest, because all the players were great players come here and been able to win a championship in Los Angeles and if he comes up old for four years here, and if it's more disappointment and again, the clippers are now the big ten basketball team in town to me. That looks bad. The thing about Miami. You're right about all those other op about all those pieces that went along, but let's be honest. He failed in Miami and I. Know People say why he won two championships in four years. How did he fail? He failed. Don't you remember the the the Big Party Impress Cup, not two not three now Ford. You remember that you really believed that they were GonNa win all these championships and they lose to Dallas. which shouldn't have Lebron play poorly and they want to water for. They didn't do anything special. Had they want to repeat or something like that a one? All four would be totally different. I think by EMI was a disappointment yesterday cam. Newton is starting to Kinda. Wear me out going third person. I don't love that. He's talking about Cam this and Cam, that and I'm like Oh boy, you go into an organization in New England, where the only expectation is you not only get to a super bowl win it. I think cam should under promise over deliver. I think that's I think that's always the best way to do business as a broadcaster as a politician as a quarterback I worry. That cam is building this up. He said this week he said. Boy I'm going next all year and I. Think boy. First of all I've never doubted that he's tough that part I. Don't doubt and I doubt he cares, but should he just bring it back down because frankly? You replacing the best player ever that position. I did a Colin and I. think that's that's a fair take on your part, but I do understand where camp coming from. He's a former. National Football League, and the remember that you through thirty five touchdowns when for another ten got to the Super Bowl team was fifteen in one. This is not a guy who has played poorly because he was healthy and Justin perform. He was banged up. He was hurt and he's young people parading that Tom Brady's GonNa, take the Tampa Bay. Bucks to the Super Bowl and Tom Brady's forty five years old and Tom. Brady still having sodium fleet. Bacon DECAF COFFEE I. I, mean you know so cameras? Look at go, and what's I'm thirty one years old? I'm not older by any stretch of the imagination. He's a big guy feels good, and you know what everybody's dogged about like. He's terrible and he can't play I. See why he's pushing back and you know what Colin if he goes to new, England and they win the Division and make a playoff run and it's better than the. The playoff run that say Tom Brady has I don't think they're gonNA make the playoffs, but if they make one Tampa Bay, people look at bill check, but what? He was able to do and look at Cam for Great Comeback Story. This is set up for him if he's healthy and plays well a magical place and Tom Brady and doing better and go phone. Going further into plows Tom. Brady and it's interesting. By the way I haven't asked you, this couple of minutes left. and. We don't know what we're getting with college football. NBA's back baseball's back MLS back. NASCAR BACK GOLF BAG UFC back. It looks like to me right now. College football doesn't know what they are. Are you for or against college? Football kids coming back to campus and plan. I'm against it only from this standpoint, if the student body kid come to campus, then how in the world could you ask football players? That's my only thing at USC this coming semester off a class that I'm teaching and Colin. I'm teaching it virtually online. I'm not teaching in the classroom so that the kids are part of the university. If the kids aren't in class, staying in the dorms. dorms going to school. How in the world could you ask what ballplayers to come the College Klay Zip the independent of the student body I don't think that's right now. To good tank. I liked that Rob Parker by the way how much of that suit Kasha got ask because you are only only a couple of hundred, but this is a beauty right. He Fits like Glove Colin. It looks. See you in this. Pink is not necessarily my best color I think it looks very good on. A sports writer as long as TV, personality and a college professor, so you look good in jackets. Are Teaching America's youth. You should be in a jacket. I should. This is the way you adults dress. Good my friend always thanks collar. Hey, joy, hell! Yeah, it makes a good point. I I'm such a college football fan. You know I I. DO think everybody is beating up on college, Football and College football doesn't have good leadership folks. They don't remember commissioner. K Sixteen last year in college football made over one hundred million. Thirteen made over ninety million. They don't have the commissioner. The problem of the NC AA isn't that Mark Emerton incompetent. The problem is college. Football's too big not to have a commissioner. Why did you F C surpass boxing for about ten to fifteen year stretch? Because Dana White. Data Commissioner they had a leader boxing had multiple. Weight classes. They had multiple. Promoters, there was no centralized. This is why conferences have commissioners. College football is too big not to have a commissioner. So you can blame, you got five conferences all the different sensibilities the it's a little bit like boxing. Is that. There's a reason UFC cottam. Centralized leader, a centralized voice in Dana White, and there was one direction boxing splintered everywhere. That's what college football is the south things this the big ten things that the whacky PAC twelve things this hour. Three demarcus ware next. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Here, we go at our three live in La. This is the hurt wherever you may be, and however you may be listening I. Heart Radio Fox Sports, radio and F one. So Joy Taylor me. She just said the NFL. Who was the vice president of the NFL said. Something, Ryan, McCarthy, he works the NFL offices For the NFL just tweeted out a picture and said for those wondering. Yes, it is league, wide fans and NFL Games. This season will be required to wear face coverings us. It's not a problem I. We should have assumed that of course, but outside of I wear a mask not in my house, not in my car I. Wear it at the Gym I. Don't wear jogging although I put it around my neck. If somebody there I don't find it. It'd be that difficult I I said something about. Five months ago on the air you were with me. I said twenty twenty is going to be a difficult time for rigid people. Yes, if you're rigid. Just not going to be a good year. This is the year of curve balls. You've just got to be able to handle it and if you can't. You're going to be struggling. It's also been a tough year for I'm right about everything guy. Yeah because I always love this. We'll call in your woke. And? I'm not saying woke, doesn't there? Aren't we haven't gotten? I just watched the sensational piece of video on Youtube yesterday about a professor that younger generation is more easily triggered on stuff. That actually is okay. When you're young to get into arguments and fights, it creates certain advantages tend not new by the way that was the happened in a sixty S. But. The reality is people are confusing. Woke with crap. We gotta do what a new way because like drew brees prime example. Seventy of drew brees, his teammates are black, and when there is something that matters deeply to them, and you are an older player, and they're young and growing in your older and they say do put your arms around this we need you. Within you should that's being woke. That is oh well the employees that most matter to me. Want my support on something and they don't ask for much. Because drew your the highest paid player by a mile on the team. We need your support. It's not woke drew's like. Away Yeah. They do need my support. That's that woke. That's like, do you? Are you saying that drew? brees now was just being fake and he didn't really. Look at a different link drew. BREES was like. Okay not everybody gets everything at the same time like there have been things in life I've said this before. Obama and Hillary Clinton was anti-gay marriage twelve years ago. Then they turn the Tel O Society is changing and people love each other. They didn't get woke. They got educated I. Mean Woke is only an insult, if you consider learning new things and updating your opinions to be a negative like no preseason. preseason has been a rip-off for fans. You pay full price for two extra games that you could not sell if you wanted to. And the players don't get paid for the preseason. They get a stipend. It's terrible I. The NFL does Guy Whoa. It's like now now there are times I've seen stuff. A Boy Roll my eyes at that, but the reality is. This is just not a good year for rigid people like nothing's the same. It's just the will, also you? Can you can? You can update your opinion based off of new information. When it comes to this virus, nobody has the answers right and even people that we are looking to the have the answers. They change their answers for US base of new information that they get. It's like people are like. Oh, well, the CDC said in February well, it's not February. It's July by the way. The reason the death rate is going down in America is because all these doctors and these hospitals in these nurses? have been dealing with this for seven months and they're figuring out new therapeutics. Do you know people? I went in there? They put them on ventilators on their back. They now don't do that. Hospitals turn people on their stomachs. Don't often use ventilators. Ventilators weren't helping. Smart People Digest and consume information. When you consume information, you change opinions. It's all K- to say wow, what happens though in two thousand twenty, the half the country and it doesn't matter if they're stubborn liberals and their stubborn stubborn conservatives. If you read you change your opinion all the time. That's so difficult Colin. Why can't I mean? You know it's like if you consume information. A get smarter. And then you change your opinion and be stuff does change all the time like like. and social issues and companies. We didn't even have a Silicon Valley twenty five years ago and now runs the country. It runs the country. We didn't even twenty five years ago. It was like. Steve Jobs Apple. There was a Hamblur companies. Now it is bigger than Wall Street like that's just. Supposed to ignore it that it controls the Dow. Jones is basically if you go, look at the stock market stock markets up not six companies all in Silicon Valley. They're up that grocery stores. Everything else is flatter down I. Mean. I think it's just. We're out of space where you don't. You don't have to be right about everything. And if you were wrong about something, you can okay your opinion. It's not an insult doesn't make bad person and actually makes you a great person that you're open and willing to learn new things. Because there's new information out there, you wouldn't want your doctor using an outdated procedure from nineteen seventy because. That's what he used to do. Like why. Why? Why? Why is that insane to update medical information as as a come to this virus? It's not you're not allowed to update in. Any new information was on a plane a week ago. And it was a smaller plane and the pilot said to me said there's a storm here. We're just GONNA Kinda. Swing around it. No go to the storm. The radar an hour goes and it's like. It's Ok new in the NFL San Luis and we're not gonNA have as many fans. You have to wear masks all right. If you like the game to the now now, I would say this I. Think the NFL's way better on television. Then at the game college things better at the game and on TV because there's so many college games one hundred thirty, the quality of the production in the NFL so good. There's thirty cameras every game I think that television experience for the NFL is better than the in. Person! Experience for the NFL in college, the bands the student bodies tradition. Yes, I think college. Football's better. Their NFL's better home so I mean if you don't WanNa. Go don't mass, don't it's still great product, but the idea that if I take a mask because the NFL game are were fused virus. It's contagious, so you can't go to the game if you wear it sort. Like I'm not one of these boycott. Guys because in the end I. Don't want to boycott my way out of entertainment. Like I want to go to what I WANNA go to. I want to by the way I'm GONNA BOYCOTT NASCAR. Ratings are up. I'm going to boycott. The NFL capture nick ratings last four years or up like if you can boycott your out of having fun I mean boycott. All you want I just I just ask that you. You search for the basis of your boycott. What is it is actually upsetting you so much that you feel like you need to boycott? Something is actually truly a part of your life, which is why I told you before. There will be people who don't watch NASCAR. There will be people who don't watch the NFL or whatever it is the boycott crowd. They weren't really fans to begin with. We even had sports all summer. I can't wait to watch scrimmages today on the bubble. Like it's GonNa be on my phone all day. Joy Taylor will watch more football than you this year in baseball if you're a boycott person because she loves sports. If you truly love something I'm not boycotting. Something I'm not by the way, please boycott going to games and watch on Fox by all. Please boycott, the baseball players kneeling and watch the Games on Fox and boycott, the football games because of the mask and watch. It I can't boycott my way out of entertainment if I like stuff. I like stuff. What am I going to do? Okay, I want to talk about this. I got to talk about this I. Don't talk about Kawhi Leonard A lot. Because Lebron show I mean he runs the League but the Clippers Leonard. Do, you realize their favorites when in Orlando. What what a third title with a third team mean for Kalis legacy. We all acknowledge collide. Leonard is interesting. He battled with Popovich. Everybody works in San, Antonio. He didn't. He goes to Canada acknowledges early. It's really cold amount staying here. But then wins the championship with a bunch of kind of be guys. And then instead of choosing Laurent dominance. He goes to the clippers. But Kawai Leonard has figured something out. He figured it out in San Antonio. Whereas they got old, they still won. He figured it out in Toronto where they had issues but man they had good ownership, a good gm and a nice coach. And that's why he chose the clippers. In Los, Angeles right now the clippers have the better owner, the better g. m., the better head coach viewed by many in Doc rivers more titles. and the better roster, but it's funny. How often the media misses the mark. On player moves. Like Lebron. The Miami was roundly criticized. It was a great move. Is the best move Lebron ever made. He upgraded. GM coach. Going back to Cleveland was actually a terrible move. Why would you bail on Micky Arison Pat Riley Erik Spoelstra? A terrible move, but the media like the story I'm coming home. You play the music. We all cry. It's a great story. Prime example. The rafters got heat forgetting why? Last one year acquisition. It didn't matter. It's candidate. They like hockey. You Win One Championship in Toronto. You're good for two decades. Jimmy Butler gets heat every time he leaves. But he left Minnesota they got were Chicago. They got worse Philly. They got worse. He chose Pat Riley Erik spoelstra eighty eight plus with both. That's why Hawaii is fascinating. If I said to you today. Kevin Durant and Colli Leonard I think most of you Kevin Durant much better player and we'll be viewed historically as a better player. But, what's funny about Kevin, durant and Colli is. I think there are a lot closer than you think. Both have two titles. Both have to MVP's in those finals. Both had injury shoes. And both are multiple time all stars. Now. Durant has many scoring titles. But Colli Leonard maybe the single best player in the NBA The last couple of years if you need a bucket. But here's the difference. Kevin Durant left a great. A great GM and a great coach and a great number, one team mate. He downgraded in all of those. Leonard is a lot sharper than we think. He upgraded in everything. Because the clippers, not the Lakers have rock solid owner Steve Bomber with unlimited money. They, have doc rivers who's won a title like Frank? Vogel but rivers is considered the better coach. They've got a front office that includes Jerry West and Michael Winger. In five years. And I think Kawhi is going to win the championship. This year and Co is going to be the MVP of the finals. Three months from now. It's GONNA be. With three titles Kevin with to. Kowa with three finals MVP's Kevin Durant to. Coli the healthiest. He's ever been Kevin durant still recovering. And Kawhi going forward with the better number, two team teammate, Paul George more stable, better front office, better owner better roster. We always struggle players move. We're always like well. Who Do they join? Who? Lebron could not overcome a bad owner initially. Michael Jordan needed to get the coach right. Is that. In about three months that Durant Coli Leonard. Mismatch Katie's up here Kawais down there three months. It's going to be a lot closer than you think. And my arguments going to be in five years. Will be seen as superior player. Because he's figured out through his NBA Journey. You've gotTA choose the owner. You got to choose the GM. You got to choose the coach as much. As the roster. Former Cowboy Bronco demarcus ware is right around the corner I think is going to be holding I said this. The joy earlier collide is going to be holding that thing in two and a half three months. Going to be his third championship third franchise. And you'RE GONNA. Tell me what brand better. Didn't you tell me durant had to join the super team to get any? If it's all about one, and it's all I. Hear from you guys. It's about winning titles, not about points or we talk about Karl. Malone it's not about assists where we talk about Magic Johnson. We talk about winning. Big Games MJ six for six. If gets a third and Kevin Durant often Brooklyn. Still still rehabbing. You know how reasons he buys works. We kind of fall in love with the last thing we see. What are you just ask yourself this if I'm wrong. What are we going to be saying in three months? Because a? Championship if Kawais holding that. Third Third One. He's like what twenty nine. What are we going to be saying? Top Ten player ever. Second Best Player in the League to Lebron someone. You'll be wrong, but you say he's a better player than the brunt. He's not, but he can't be below. Second Janas got to playoff series. Wins can't be below can't be below Janas if that's the case, sorry can. He may not be cooler stylish, but you can't say that if he's hosting a hoisting a third straight championship and I think he's going to be I in fact I don't think the clippers I. Don't think it's going to be tough. I think we're GONNA. Roll through this thing. I really do I think the clippers are GonNa roll through this thing. At least until the finals and then I think Boston or Milwaukee pushback, but I think the clippers remember in this bubble. Players do not want to waste one night. They WANNA. Get in, win. Get home. They're going to sweep teams. They'RE GONNA twelve games this year. The clippers that everybody healthy eleven and one. They're going to roll through this thing. Everybody needs a great pair of wireless ear buds. Why not start with Ray com half the price of other leading brands. Six hours of playtime works seamlessly with Bluetooth. There called the everyday e- twenty-five earbud the newest model. More base more compact design, so it's discreet and stylish. No stems. No wires looks fantastic. Unlike other leading brands. That'll charge it twice as much. Work out these sweat on these binge podcast with these video chats with these the best on the market rate con fifteen percents off your order today, an additional fifteen percent off a great price, fifteen percent off go to buy recon dot. com slash heard by ray dot com slash H E. R, D, be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon, eastern nine am Pacific on Fox sports. Radio s one and the iheartradio APP demarcus ware is an amazing story, so he went to high school in Auburn Alabama. And yet Auburn didn't offer him. A Scholarship Alabama didn't offer him a scholarship. So then he goes to troy. And how do you have to be that? He was the first first round pick in the history of Troy. The cowboy got him in the first round from Troy. The Games aren't even on television, but he was overlooked too long time. Then he goes to Dallas all time. Sack leader played for twelve years nine time pro Bowler Hall of fame level. Guy made it made quite a life for himself, and he is joining us now. He just got done fishing fifty minutes ago via the Coward Global Satellite Network Great demarcus ware. So, do you look, did you do? What did you trout fishing? Is that what you did? Sandbox saying ambassador? There's no trout down here for sure but Sam Bass I caught about twenty, four, twenty, five political circus up and eat him tonight. Let's start with this, so you were a first round pick, so you made good money. Distort the NFL and then you negotiated with Jerry, and you also got a big deal for seventy, five, seventy, six, million, some around their Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick. He didn't get big money, and now it only gets a franchise tag. Do you think it's possible? There's a little resentment a little bitterness because he didn't get paid all those years, he was winningest division, and now he just gets a franchise tag. You think it's possible. Dacca's saying to himself I've made Jerry Jones a lot of money and I got one year. How do you think it falls for him? I think that guy in his position. You always think about okay. I made the playoffs a couple of years. I Got Dallas Cowboys Map. I, know I haven't won a super bowl, and then all of a sudden nicely, Patrick mahomes deal five hundred million, I see a couple of other quarterbacks, hundred hundred and fifty million, so it's almost like what is my work I worked so hard to get to this point now I, need to I wouldn't say break the bank, but I need to have some savings I need to create some type of wealth and I mean those are very lucrative. Jerry Jones gave that, but maybe he thought that he was worth more than that, but to me when you get into win those championships. That's when you can start putting that stamp on things when you get to that point and. I can't wait to see what's going to happen this season. By the way Jerry you signed a seventy eight million dollar deal Jerry, so you negotiated with Jerry is Jerry Jones a tough negotiator. He's a very tough negotiator, but one thing you have to do is be very very odd with him. He's going to be honest with you about how much your work will. You are on the team in what he's trying to bring in to win. Championships is different when you're the franchise quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, no matter what if it was Romo if it was bledsoe. So forth. Everybody's gotten paid in your part of that. In your name in Dallas Cowboys Star for five six seven eight nine ten years, so you want to make sure that your money is stable when that happens so I just think that you know that being franchise is going to create a lot of. Talk this season, but hopefully everything goes well, and he stays focused it interesting. After two decades in new, England Brady goes to Tampa. And you, you went, you went cowboys broncos. Regardless of what position it is, you were a cowboy, euro pro bowl, and then you wake up one morning and you're against them, and it's a different uniform, a different city, a different culture, different coach different GM. Tell me the first year in Denver, and what Brady will experience. How difficult is it not just happened pads on a go play. You have to learn a new cultural playbook. How hard was it for you? It was a very very big challenge I think about it. You played your whole career in one place and you think you're going to retire there. And all said you gotta change not only colors, but your teammates. You GotTa change where you live. You GotTa Take Your family in a whole another place that I can see here where I'm getting an awesome sack I love. But. I just think that everything changes in the best players take it one of those situations, and that's what I did. I was able to go there and win a super bowl. I was able to get those teams. That I needed to to be that champion so for me at first I thought if I put that on Jersey on the quarterbacks would be able to see a lot easier because it's almost like the deer and the headline. But it wasn't the case. It was changed name of the changing natural name, but changing the color of the Jersey, a different atmosphere, which is still a gladiator in the stadium, and when you a gladiator in in the stadium you WanNa, Compete, and you WanNa win football, Games yeah. You know, it's. It's funny about this when you look at Dallas And you look at Denver they're run very differently. Dallas is very glamorous, very glamorous, and then Denver's kind of more like Pittsburgh steeler feel like they. A lot of the news is private out in the mountains. You don't hear a bunch about them as a player wit. The kind of the glamour that came along with the cowboys or sort of like football centric. DENVER, You know I wish. That Botha does can be merged together and have the football centric part where you get debt, awesome, twelve man, you get the thirty degree football weather, and you get the fans with their shirts off yelling and it's a great advantage, but then you want the off the field stuff. The business aspect that the Dallas cowboys bring to the table The wow factor that the dallas cowboys bring to the table, and when you can have both old at one time this when you have the total team. Usually. Don't get that you get the quiet team winning championships or you get the flamboyant team that you know that's consistent, just being honest with you. No, no, I get that. Listen in Dallas. You had good teams. You didn't get over the top and I. Think there's a lot of things I like about Jerry Jones were there times in Dallas? Though that you thought you know, we could pry better. Stay out of the newspapers. Up every training camp I mean trying to count was one of the hardest things. I mean I'm coming from Chore University Where There's One recorder. There's one video guy and. You only see that his name was famous Amos by the weight and this all you had, but during training camp when you have to fly oxnard. which are not doing this year in? You have the huge. They call it the Jerry Jones circuits. Sometimes it can become a distraction, but the thing is with it also brings to the players is a lot of off the field marketability, and that's why Jerry Jones right now. When you think about feeling, hundred one hundred thousand people in one stadium. He can do that and and when you can play very well there it helps you out and build a platform which I have are now. You've done well for yourself. Yourself you're a Dallas Jim, a fitness trainer and done well for you and your family, obviously a beautiful home so the I've never been a big fan of the preseason. I think it's a for fans on a rip off for players I. Don't like it, and the other thing is every preseason is the same I'm crossing my fingers that none of the star players get hurt so the NFL share no preseason. You can be totally honest now. Did you like or hate the pre season? What did it mean to you? I hated a preseason. A life to. I liked the mini camp and I I hate it training camp, but I knew we had to go through it. because that's what you get when people say the blood, sweat and tears. The team Camaraderie who's going to be the leaders in the identity of the team is built in the off. Season is not built in a preseason. The preseason is getting rid of you. Know letting a fancy what we're showcasing from all the hard work. We had an off season which they had had a off season so with them saying that we're going to get rid of these four preseason games. I feel like now. We need to think about those these four weeks as the OT as the mini camps, the training camps that they have only four weeks packing all of that into four weeks. They usually have about three months not attacking into four weeks so hopefully they're able to Nakal. Rostov because a lot of players that can't work out without Cova right aid. They can't go to the gym. The can't hardly see their teammates to gotta stay six feet away to gotta wear masks I mean so on and so forth, but now they got four weeks to get everything in place by the way. Would you I think I've said this before I'm mid fifties and I and I work out every day and I. You know if you weren't. Fifty five. So I worked out every day, you're a pro athlete. When you were in your prime I, think if I was a pro athlete I'd be like I. Can Play A. Covert get covid. percent of people are as symptomatic, and they're not in the shape. I'm in, but that's how I view it when you look at the NFL right now and you're go back to your twenty seven twenty eight years old. Would you be worried about cove it? Would you not be worried? Would you feel kind of bulletproof because you're such incredible shape? I would say I will be incredible shape I will think about. Only myself. Throw I mean I wouldn't say that for me. I'd like I'm in great shape. I'm not worried about covert. Any other younger players won't be worried about covert. But what about my family you know, grandma wants to come to the house. Granddad wants to come to the house. Uncles nephews, or you know your kids, our worry about more of my family them getting covert in not being able to cope with it I wouldn't worry about myself because I'll be at my healthiest state, but what about them? That will be only word. Yeah, by the way now that you have your gym. You're in Dallas. How often? You played for twelve years, and you played in the trenches, and people often talk about I'm a big believer in going forward with football. I want fewer practices better safety measures because I love the sport and I want guys to look like you and they're retired, so you play twelve years in the trenches when you wake up in the morning, demarcus, how do you feel? Right now. I feel great. My last year of playing I couldn't even. It took me about A. In thirty minutes I'm not going to joke joke with it took me an hour and thirty minutes to take shower walked downstairs. Get in the car and drive to work and get out of the car. It took me hour in thirty minutes, and it was only a twenty minute drive and I couldn't move after every single football game It was one of those things where assured you know if I don't stop right now. I need to hang up the cleats. Yeah, and it and I'm glad that they've. They've changed so much from not having tour. They practice padded practices having the special teams practice for forty five minutes out there for almost four hours practicing. There's a lot more shelled practices a lot more mental rep that they're adding in there for a long jeopardy of the safety of the players, and it's all about the safety of the players there gladiators. They're going to get out there in the stadium and they're gonNA perform and do what they need to do, but you can also get beat up. During the OT, TA, a mini camps and training camps, and then you can't make it through a whole season, right? We look great. You're in great shape. You'RE GONNA. You're going to eat your fish i. what's it called again? What's it called? Fan Bath. Sand Bass. meal right here. Very we're moving. Take your man. We're moving and changing great. You look fantastic. Appreciate you joining us on the show today. Thank you so much by the on? You Bet you know it's funny joy. We were talking about this about. Don't be rigid. I can remember work in ESPN and this about this about twelve years ago, so I've been there four or five years in the NFL was starting to. Eliminate head hunting. You couldn't hit quarterbacks and I can remember being on the air and people would call an argue. Wear dress. Timeout. Tom How. First of all wearing addresses, not that easy again. No question rausing around Dennis Rodman Amort very well, and I used to always say timeout. Do you love football? Do. You love the game. Why would you want? Why would you not want all players that retire to look like demarcus ware like this idea that you're you? You haven't validated your manhood unless you're willing to get hit in the head. There's always been this. Push back on the NFL but I will say this I. Think fans have really figured it out I. Think they really I think. Fans really struggle for a couple of years. Oh, you can't hit this I. Think fans have figured it out the game is nobody watches for defense. They don't nobody watches for hits with the explosion of betting and fantasy football. We watch for points receivers quarterbacks. We do not want said this before if I told you right now, a game in six to three or twenty, six, twenty five. which game do you pick and of course won't offense. We've never watched football for the hits. The House I think that you know the information. Updated information that we got about the C. T. e. and the effects of these hits on. These guys, heads and concussions long-term effects of that. Not just you know your body, which is going through a lot, but your head. It became very obvious that this was not a choice that it was something had to happen. Yeah, football is better when less heading at practice, only games account. Get rid of. It takes a while to figure it out. I mean the NFL's very well. Run but I. Think they're figuring out, is that? How much does it look optically? When I bring demarcus ware on, and it's like Gotti looks great. MOMS watch that in think. It trickles down right. That's that's why you can't have steroids or Performance enhancing things at the professional level, because it's eventually going to trickle down into the amateur level and then down so kids it gets. It's how it works. Because everyone's trying to get to that level, never forget who decides who plays football, mom. demarcus ware played twelve years. We'll get good, he looks. MOMS decide if their sons can play football. Not Dad MOMS the ones. Over my dead body, because women control the family, because they control well anyway, so the point being women of says he's not playing football. He's not bland football. Yeah, so you want players get hit less walkout with money. I've argued this for years. You shouldn't have to. The NFL does guarantee some money? But if the owners turned the telescope and said. In a remember a few years ago, they stopped hitting in lower levels of football. People like Oh, you got to learn how to hit me. Don't know you don't you don't have to hit at seven years old. If you shrink the window of hitting in football from Freshman Year of high schools when you I can hit, and then you have more guaranteed money and guys are out of the League by thirty one because they have their money. The hitting window. Is Fourteen to thirty. It used to be the hitting window was from like seven and players signed another third or fourth contract, because they didn't have guaranteed money. The hitting windows from seven to thirty seven. Yeah, a lot of kids play flag football now until they reach high school so you. Shrink the hitting window from thirty years to fifteen. You look like demarcus ware when you're done. Because he signed a big deal, most of it guaranteed, he said it was taking me an hour. In the old days. You signed another four-year deal because you didn't get enough money. It's a collision sport. We call it a contact sport. It's really a collision sport. You running full speed into your garage door fifteen times a day and see how you feel. That's what it is. All right gotta take a break heard line on the other side I'm told. It's just we just start talking and. Be sure to catch live. Editions of the Heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am. Pacific. Listen Up fellas right tools for the job. You want to keep your eyebrows nose hair ear hair. And I want to keep everything up to date. It's called manscaping. Twenty. percent off free shipping to manscaping dot com code Agr de. Led Lights. You can see everything you want to call manscaping. That's the company got a big box full of stuff about a month ago. Joy, with news. On the news. This is the headline line news, so the bucks added some elite pieces to their offense, Tom Brady and Gronk and tight end Oj Howard expects the teams live up to all the height the season. You look at us in versus any office in the League. Right up there with the top of I mean you know so i? Mean you know is only Tomba? Tell how good we are, but I think when you put us on paper. We're one of the best, if not the best. Thing on paper? They are pretty on paper. They good on paper Tom. Brady Ronald Jones Mike Evans Chris Godwin Bronco. Jay Howard Cameron Bright. Focus ranks their offensive line is thirteenth best headed into the season of sounds like a super bowl. It's GonNa. You know. They're going to be good though they have the fifth best odds according to. Fourteen hundred. Who's got who's got the better odds of Kansas City Baltimore? Who else in front of me, but Kansas City? Fifth best in the League. New Orleans must be ahead of him so long. New Orleans is second behind New Orleans to win the division. I'm not saying they're not going to be good. I have actually pretty high expectations for them this year. They're going to be a playoff team. What if Brady lights and up from like MVP and New England's just a bunch of often. It's GonNa. Look great for him. We listen he don't get yourself Peyton. Manning chose Denver for reason. He knew it would elevate him. He wouldn't have to carry. I will say we talk a lot about their their divorce and Tom Brady was definitely he definitely winning the bowel? CHECK DIVORCE? No question but I'll check is. His little patient. You know you a little more time to get over it. Got Cam Newton. I don't like New England's. Personnel. What did you I'm not? I'm not firmly in the camp that. Tom Brady has won the divorce yet. They're both like with their new people. SHOWING OFF! We'll see which one. Goes test of time. That's where we are. Right now if CAM wins ten games with that skill group. That will be impressive. They do not have a number one receiver or number one tiny, not one of the disappointment for you this year for the buccaneers. Five hundred. Pointing. D- I. If they were coming back with this unit for the second year, I'd be like that's an eleven win team, but I think September could be rough. I mean God no, no preseason yell. At him in the nine and seven, ten and six, a little, spotty early, and then by Thanksgiving. You're like holy crap. They are Kansas City in the NFC. They're just lighten up expectations so Cam Newton, obviously will be facing a lot of pressure to adapt to the Patriot way New England's and Stefan. Gilmore has some advice for Cam to get acclimated to the new system. One thing I know about you know planning to go. You have to be mentally strong. You have to be very hungry. Everyone's get treated the same. There is no superstars. No nothing so it's except in on goal. Right? Someone's GonNa. Get you and we're going to correct it, so no eagles! A team that won coming. Go this landing and I feel like this. The Patriot tells that well. I think that's why Cam fits this year. Because generally, that's not really cams personality right like star. He is a certified star whether you like how he plays or white. How things have gone from the past years? Not Canton is a star, and that's not what works in new. England's right. You have to buy and system like you said it's not about you. Gronk said everyone gets treated the same. They can be very frustrating, but this is kind of a temporary situation and CAM is. Is I don't care when it comes to that he's. He's got a lot to prove. He's coming from an underdog place. He has this mentality that he wants to won't camps through what he's doing? He's thirty one and let's be honest. He has not been unbelievably paid in the context of other quarterback. So does CAM WANNA make more money for the next years? Yeah, so generally stuff works. If people if both people want it to work doesn't want to be. I I would say this with ballot check if it if they finish six ten. It's not it's not gonNA, hurt bills legacy, but I think cam wants to win. Because you know it's funny about Cam. When you look at, Cam like you think old because the injuries. He's a kid. No I still think he's just had an unfortunate string of injuries. I don't think cam is older at all I. Don't know where that there's so many narratives around Cam Newton that it's like you slow down like just just hold on. He's injured a lot. He's very tough. Yes, he's a personality and he's flashing all those other things that that makes you uncomfortable I got A. A separate situation there's nothing to do with his actual play like he was a league MVP number, one overall pick national champion he's had credibly successful career by any measure. Just last couple of years have been rough, and now he's in a completely new situation, but I think because he is coming from an underdog situation for the first time in his career. It Fits New England Patriot way. Uniquely this year, so Patrick Beverley has reportedly left the NBA Bobble. He left last night to tend to emergency personal matter and does plan to return to the clippers as soon as possible. He's the second member of the Clippers to leave Orlando. MANTRAS Herro also left due to a family emergency. He will beverly will have to pass a coronavirus test every day. He's off campus in order to have a four day quarantine inside the hotel, instead of ten, and because of a player leaves search sending circumstances, he'll be required to do quarantine for four to ten days on his return. The Clippers first game. July thirtieth against the Lakers. They do have a scrimmage today. You said yes, so all the scrimmages now televised day ours. They're televising them on MBA. TV or if you have to leap past you can watch. I'll be watching the heat one later today. Yes so I mean they're televising the scrimmages. Their first game is on the thirtieth, which is a few days away with enough time that if he came back within the next few days, quarantine and play, obviously, they're concerned about him for the long term along with mantras hair. But this is the thing that concerns me about the clippers with you I think they have. The most step I picked him at the beginning of the season. I think about situations to win the championship this year, but this is the type of stuff that can change how things go we. You have no idea what the situations are why they've had to leave their planning to comeback. Who knows what's going on? The chipping away at the depth of these certain teams is going to play a role in how this goes long-term. Obviously, we have months and months. To get this sorted out with the only team, though that could lose a star, a series and win the series and think easily. If you told me, Lost Paul George Tweaked Ankle and lost him for a second round series. I would be like although in the series I. Don't think anybody else Mohicans the Lakers. No No, they lose Anthony Davis. It this it's it's to Lebron Centric I. Think this team is so deep. I mean God they really. They built a garage built it to beat. Wrong got four wing players to defend ability to twelve minutes. They're really good, really good. There's their game start in seven minutes so scrimmage. Watch, the guys back. Are. Facing tomorrow. Call and. We made it. And the best thing about the NBA bubble was nobody's got the virus. Yes, they've done a tremendous job. The players reporters? Everyone's getting tested every single day. People should I. Hope fans realize. This has been fluid. You're having to baseball. Literally had never negotiating games and salaries and percentages and stadiums. This is I, think it. I'm amazed by all incredibly complicated in I mean it's. All these leagues joy with the news. Well. That's the news. Thanks for stopping. Heard lie, so we had nick right today. He was funny Bill Polian boy. He's got a lot of good stuff. Rob Parker a new sports jacket and demarcus ware looks just fantastic having played in the NFL over twelve years. He's in great shape. Look who's got fancy pants over there. That's. Very. Nice little outfit over their. Those people are just crazy, or they have suits and stuff and they got. I'm not a suit guy. Don't like I have to wear them on Sunday, NFL, Fox don't like it. Never been it. You Larry David who created curb your enthusiasm. Big Fan one am I I went one night and he was at a dinner and he came up to me. Only thing he said you know. Look good in a suit. Take the off. The and where! Suit I David to give me fashion to it. That's what he said he goes. You don't look right in a tie you'd. You're not a tie guy and I'm like tell my bosses totally agree with you I'm not a tiger and you don't. Know No. Oh I have to. You have to regret. Regret resented. Resent my, bosses, for it. Third.

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"Hello. It is June nineteenth? Also an unofficial holiday in this country June, nineteenth. A day. That should be celebrated a lot more I. Think we're all realizing that a day. That should be an official holiday. Look it up. Look into it big day. In this country history becoming a better place, it wasn't perfect, but it was a step forward which I think. We're all taking currently. And I'm happy to see what we become after all this look into June nine or June eighteenth, June, nineteenth, eighteen, sixty five. It'll be well worth it for you. Today shows a good one. Let's have a hell of a June eighteenth year. Let's get after this. War. Being joined now by a man that I'll a lot, too. Not only did he choose to draft me in the seventh round and trade with the Eagles for the two hundred and twenty second pick of the two thousand nine NFL draft to put me in a position that neither of us were a hundred percent. Sure I what is going to be able to figure out NFL punter, but also after I got in trouble. I got arrested for public intoxication for an alleged swim the conversation that he had with me the next day when he was informing me that he was going to suspend me was one that hindsight changed my entire life. My entire perspective in kind of changed my life for the better a man that I owe a lot to. Hall of fame, General Manager Bill Police. Thank you Patrick Nice to do it hey. Mr Polian, and I can't thank you enough for joining US inside football with Bill Polian is a podcast I think a lot of people are going to enjoy I've said it on numerous occasions. You of forgot more about football than most people know and I'm excited that you're getting into the podcast game. How'd you decide to dive into this? Well I talked to some people that had suggested it to me didn't know much about it as you up technologically challenged. So they said you know, give it a try. You've got so much experience so much history. You've been. You've done some things in the football league that by explaining those things at talking about them, you can relate into what's happening today and give. Listeners an idea of why things happen as opposed to just how they're happening so we gave it a try, and I really enjoyed it. It's long-form obviously, so you get a chance to be a little more detailed and a little more nuanced and Apparently it's. It's been received pretty well, so thus far it's been fun. We watched. We listened to the first thirty minutes of the show this morning, trying to get a grip on it I like the fact that it's somebody who I think is aimed Scott. He's he sounds like a casual fan, but getting a chance to ask you questions and then listened to. Your brain has been beautiful. I can't wait to dive into it. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy it, but let's dive into football a little bit now with a man who has been there done that with damn near everything whenever you're thinking about building a team like you didn't Buffalo Carolina and Indianapolis. How important is the culture of the team? Because whenever the your regime left in Indianapolis? The culture completely changed, and it just became a very different operation for you. How do you? How do you ensure that the culture of the team that you're putting together is one that will be successful because that's a big x factor that does not get accounted for enough. Well, as my original mentor, Marley to us to say simple, but it is an easy. you you. You set a set of principles upon which you're GONNA work. And then you bring people in who believe in those principles and adhere to them, and then you get the theory of multiple. -cation because when one person believes, they can only affect one when ten people believe, they can affect the hundred, and as you know having been in that. Locker Room when you have jeff Saturday when you have Peyton manning when you have. When you have Reggie Wayne when you have, but Gary Bracket than they're all believers, those guys that share the same value system the same approach to the game. And as a result, they make believers of everyone else so that's the way to do it. It's the only way to do it. and you have to be very careful about who you bring on board. You have to have high standards, and once you deviate from those standards. One deviation strangely enough can cause a big crack in the foundation, so you have to be very careful about that. It was. In I. Always talk about this. The regime's the regime that I got drafted into winningest decade in NFL. History I mean I was too young to fully get a chance to really enjoy the thing. I only had a few years in that culture. And then when we moved to the next culture, it was just a very different operation. Let's spend money on free agents. Let's get people in here and it was just one. The locker room wasn't completely together. It was a whole different world. The the team that you built there in Indianapolis I could see a tail end of with all the guys that you're mentioning and also the people that you brought in just like for special teams. You walked in that building. You had this feeling, okay. This team is a team that wins. This is a team that works hard and I wanna ask you about the year whenever we did not win a lot. It was your last year as General Manager for the coach. There's always been a lot of conversation like. Did they suck for lock? Did they try to lose and I always answer while the players didn't try to. To Lose Im- bill. Polian got fired after that in all the coaches got. Let go, so that conversation is an interesting. When did you know going into that year that it was potentially be your last year being general manager in what were the decisions that you had to make whenever you find out that one of the greatest players in the history of the game is going to be out for the season there well. Let's. Take your time, this is a real because I've had this question now for like seven eight years now because your position is one that is not easy in this whole thing because I mean, you got to balance the greatest of all time with outside expectation that there's the next John elway coming in I mean there's a lot that you had to juggle in that entire world. Well let's go back to August of eleven when the lockout ended. we then only then found out that Peyton had had serious surgery and really hadn't taken as well as it should have. but we still had hopes that he was gonna be fine. he and I sat down and met. and. We talked about when both of US might lead which looked to be in general terms about four years hence. And we basically agreed that we'd like to go out together. That was all possible and I let Peyton know that it was my strong desire Jim Ursa strong desire that he finishes a Colt and he and I think he wanted pretty bad. I said to him. You know you're there cheater and you should be. You should go out as they come in as a cult the greatest of all time. Lucas Oil stadiums here because of you and you should go out as a cold Yep so that was a decision that that we hope to to fulfill. then on the day of the cut to fifty three, which was the Saturday following CNA last cruise season game I was actually in a meeting with the coaches, discussing the structure of the squad. And and one of the doctors came and got me and said you have to come down to the training room. And I knew it was serious because they wouldn't interrupt such a meeting. I went down there and Dr Foyer We know was a A. Spine doctor, show medium awry, and he said Payton is going to need have a fusion year and he's going to be out for the Susan. So boom. Knockout Punch so when I when I finally cleared my head. I said okay I gotta go back and and at least help coach Coldwell. And and then we'll finish cutting squad than we need to get paid in here and talk to him about it, so I went back and I took Jim aside and said to. There's going to be a long term problem with Peyton. On I've got talk to Peyton about it. You finish cutting the squad and then I'll come back and we'll deal with it and in the interim just before I went back to meet with Hayden. I call Jimmer safe to tell them that this was going to be the. Subject Now! Postscript here during the original meeting with Peyton when we talked about what the future would hold, and who's going to sign a new contract which he did. At the new contract by the way anticipated that there might be a situation where injury would prevent him from fulfilling a contract, so we we address that in the contract and he was very upfront about telling his agent wants to stunned. This is this is the fair way to do it. On I told him I said look. It's my obligation to the franchise. To make sure your successor is on board. So I'm going to go and try and find that person. It doesn't mean he's going to succeed you before. Time comes, and it certainly won't be this year, and it may not be for another couple of years, but I do have to look and I'm an, and it doesn't do any either of us any good. To deny it publicly George. Rogers Yep. So. That, we have taken that decision as well. So When I finally got back with coach Caldwell. he said we pride and tell coaches so I got the coach together and said look. He's got a serious injury. It's going to require surgery. The likelihood is he's out for the year. And so we decided to go forward as is and then later that night. Coach call. Will Online discussed about whether or not? We should bring in a veteran quarterback in and we did. It was Kerry Collins as you recall, and we tried to get him ready to play as quickly as we could, but that was going to take some time. The assistant coaches were an absolute shop. Jim Caldwell was phenomenal, he said. He obviously here's the closest coach Peyton. He had coached them for seven years. As a position coach, and and he he and Tom Moore said okay, we just go forward, but there are a lot of other coaches that were absolutely in shock and I don't blame. I don't blame. It was A. Earth shattering deal. and and so At that point, we just had to go forward. And our approach our by I mean everybody in the football operation and every coach at every Schumer Annella meetings. You know what Jim said the team. Oh Yeah what we're going to try and win every game just like we did it in years past. We don't have Payton. We'll find another way to win. It took us a long while half the season to figure out and of course Keri got her killed, he got killed. I mean there wasn't just got hurt. I mean he got absolutely slaughtered concussion. Concussion and ended his career. so. You know we then had to readjust the whole offense again. But I've said this on numerous occasions and I'll say it again is loudly and proudly as I can. We want to list three games so if we were sucking for lock. You and I and everybody else in the locker room, and that football operation never got the message. And by the way the celebration after that first win by everybody yourself included in that locker room. It felt like a playoff. Win To be honest when you're like, thank God. We're not alliance. Okay? We gotTa Win, but we were pumped. And that's why it was so interesting, because everybody outside was like other sucking for luck, but then I see you and everybody else celebrating after we. We win and almost blow it at the end. I was like I. Don't know if that is the case in this entire thing, not at all. Not at all. It became an issue where you know I've said I've never been prouder of a team or a coaching staff than that group because I mean. How do you sustain the loss of a guy like that like Peyton? It's my fault that there wasn't a veteran backup quarterback there and I take full responsibility for that and feel terrible about it because it costs so many people their jobs. so I'm responsible for that and bear the burden of that, but the fact of the matter is we never quit. We never threw in the towel. We never said all this is over and we knocked. The Houston Texans right the heck out of the play how? That felt good there now. This question for you when that season ends are you assuming okay? I will draft luck because I have the number. One overall picky, so highly sought after I'll keep him in Peyton Peyton will be able to be like a mentor for Andrew, which I think by the way would have helped Andrew Luck's career immensely if he could have seen how peyton would. Would work off the field. Not just I'm not talking about on the field. They both had incredible work ethics talking about the way you talk to coaches general managers when you have a maybe a strength coach and athletic trainer the way he handled himself as being a CEO of that team as opposed to just being the quarterback. It's a different level I think if Andrew to been. A whole different position especially now. Was that your plan? Though is like okay, we'll bring in lock now. Hill secede Peyton Peyton Wellesley. Be Healthy back that next year, and then you just get fired is kind of how the whole thing played out sets exactly the way Saturday before the Jacksonville game, which was the last game of the season I met with Jim Irsay, and he said which of the two quarterbacks do you think is the better one I said with all the? You know with all the psychological work still to do, but of course I. My son had been on Sanford staff so I. Knew Break Feel about Andrew Luck I've been to Stanford twice already. That year and I've been to Baylor twice already to see our three. and I sit the you know. Andrew was by far the better choice, but if we win the game against Jacksonville, and and and we don't end up with the first pick rt three proudly still a pretty good pick for us I, think he. You know he's very different than what Peyton is and we'll have to change the offense, but still I think he's pretty good player but Andrew was by far the choice If we have one, so that was the decision was made, and then early Monday morning. We Lost Jacksonville early. Monday morning. I call from a reporter friend who said I just want to give you heads up You're going to be out. and. And then you know about. Ten thirty or so Monday morning Jim called me and said you know it's done. So That's the way it went down. And as I say, we never had any intention of doing anything. Throughout all season Sporting, you guys at helping you do your best and. And as I said I've never been prouder of a team than the effort at coaching staff, the effort that you guys put it in all season and then winning the last two games would really pretty special watching. Watching that whole thing unfold. Nobody had a clue what was going to happen. I good friends, obviously with Dallas and in a lot of people Joseph. Di You it. Gary Bracket the whole group there I was very lucky to kind of they kind of took me in in very welcoming to me, even though I was much different than them as a human. The family atmosphere there. I started getting texts from people that are like hey, man. They just caught me. They're cutting Peyton. Don't answer your phone. Don't even answer your phone and felt like there was an entire clean sweep coming through there, so I turned my phone off for about a week and just off, I survived on the other side of it. I was very thankful to still have a job, but that was a wild time. In the history of football I, mean just an insane time. Peyton gets cut inevitably still had good football. Football left for another three years after that your four year deal was agreed to I mean so much could have changed their with the way that thing was handled. I'm happy to hear you talk about that though I. I don't think I've ever heard your side of the entire thing I was always intrigued on how you actually felt. Though throughout the entire process, and how it ended to be honest, 'cause you had like a ninety five year in the NFL ninety five year career in the NFL, and that's kind of all ended. How was that member? Did you think about taking on another job? Think about going anywhere else. Are we like you know what that's probably it for me? No. You. You heard me say hope you remember this. When I talked to rookies every year, the NFL's terminal for all of us. Through the acts falls. We don't leave willingly. Leaves Willing, so you got to be prepared for that, so I was It wasn't it didn't shock me to my shoes. Payton's injury was far more shocking and unexpected. or surgery I should say so You know I wound up what I had to do. Indianapolis tried to help as many people as I could get situated. and that's never an easy task, but it's just hard. You know when people lose their jobs. That's the hardest part of it because. And it made it doubly hard because we'd open together for so long. Fourteen years at says as a lifetime in professional football, so that part of it was difficult, but once I got back I left in soon back to Charlotte, where we had our our sort of retirement home and then immediately got some media offers, so I went with the ESPN and I enjoyed it very much. then had an offer. maybe two years. Two and a half years later. But it came in conjunction. As it happened. With my name. For the hall of fame. And and. I got a call from a selector. Who said to me, look if you go back. The likelihood is that that you won't be elected that voters will turn you down because there are significant number of people who believe that your career should end on the steps of camp, Oh wow, and so. Hey, that's up. What was the team? The team is not need to be said. No I. I'd rather not say at. The the the. At that point? I, said look. Let's have a family discussion. And So we, we queried. Basically all the kids. My wife was a no, she didn't want me to go back. Requests she might feel differently now. After this cleansing. Kit said absolutely no. All famous forever. That's your legacy. So I, said Okay and in. The people that were interested in me and It it's worked out great, so I wish I wish that we would have been able to come to your. Induction I think from what I've been told her say was right to send a plane full of us over there. That obviously didn't work out. For whatever reason you know, the business of Egos and stuff like that. Let's let's talk about the current state of the NFL right now because there's two quarterbacks that are on the market that a lot of people are asking questions about Colin. Kaepernick after Roger Goodell. He said Hey. I think it. Teams should sign him out employer team to sign them if they don't sign them I would like to them a job within the NFL to help us make better decisions and then Cam Newton is. is also on the market right now. What is it about? START WITH CAM Newton? What is it about? Cam Newton is it the timing of the quarantine? You think you live in Charlotte. You're very close to this situation I. Don't know if you've seen as workout videos because you've had said that your technology challenge, but it feels like Cam Newton is ready to go. He's back healthy instill. He has no home right now. If you're a general manager, what is holding you back from bringing in? Cam Newton is it strictly? You don't want to challenge your starting quarterback. You want to empower your starting quarterback. Is that what you think? It's probably eighty five percent that. And then the other fifteen percent is. How does Can feel about being a backup quarterback if it came to that. And the only way you can determine that is to sit down with cam talk throat. The financial issue, the financial part of it is also an issue because if he's going to be a backup quarterback, and he's going to make backup money, then he may may not WanNa do that. I don't have no feeling one way or the other for that. but those are the questions that need to be answered. Also the Docs. Individual club Docs need to get their hands on it because they want to find out the status of the shoulder. The foot is one thing Liz Frank Lino. Brandon stokely came back from that. You know that that that's it while not commonplace. It's not career ending, but certainly the shoulder for quarterback is a big issue. I WANT WANNA get their hands on so there. Those are the three questions that need to be answered analysis about Colin Kaepernick I always said that there was probably a conversation amongst the owners about. Hey, let's not bringing. Bringing Colin Kaepernick whenever the whole thing was going down. Roger Goodell has even admitted that they didn't handle that property for years ago, but now he's four years out of the game. That's a long time that's an eternity to not have reps conditioning, not at practice and all that stuff. If he was approved though that he still had it, and he was like yeah, I'll take a backup quarterback role in earn whatever I gotTA. Do to prove that I still got it. Is that a guy that you would bring into your franchise because it's like? Hey, he was once a freak as well on the football field. First of all he's got a fit. What you WANNA do offensively. He's not Peyton. Frady operate from the pocket exclusively. So he's GonNa fit what you WanNa do that narrows the the numbers of teams that that we're going be plays, but theoretically and I. Forum Ozzy's land. Here John Harbaugh's land here, but theoretically. That kind of an offense in Baltimore. He would fit perfectly so if you're looking for a backup, if anything happen to rg three or the kid from Penn state that they have who sits equally well I if those guys weren't there, that's the kind of offense he fits. The thing you look for is offensive fit. What can do anti Lynn has said in San Diego. Yes, he fits for us Los Angeles. Los Angeles Bill Los Angeles. Excuse me you're GONNA get kicked off the air. To Find Jar? The so. Bottom line. There's only so many teams for fits. so that's point one that narrows the market a little bit point to what is he willing to take financially? That's really important. Because whoever was represented him for both Spring Leagues xfl on the a AF He was asking for money that they certainly couldn't afford an and was actually a little bit more than than. Mainstream backup money in a felt, which is probably what he's looking at, and then the third party, but his. Let's get a workout a physical, a real legitimate workout by Tom. More or somebody like that. You know who knows quarterbacks. And let's let's find out. How sharp is after three years out of the game, so there are those three questions that have to be answered. If the answer is affirmative in all three. Then, the owner has to say. In an election year I am likely to get beaten over the head. By the talking heads. And the chief talking head. about bringing this guy in and disrespecting the flag and the anthem. I just have to be able to recognize. Say to people. I, respect people's opinion, but I also respect his opinion, and what he represents, and the and the and the dignified way, in which he's doing it and let the chips fall where Mitt it is interesting, because there is that whole aspect of it, but I feel like now. We're in a much more unified world than we were four years ago, so hopefully that last part of it isn't even in the conversation, but it's real life that is something that's GonNa come up Bill Polian. I can't thank you enough for taking this much time with me, man I. I love talking to people have a wealth of knowledge and football and people that are great at things. You're great awesome to get the watch you one final question before we go, there's all these rumors that in these these like hearsay stories that I've heard Peyton manning whenever you were thinking about drafting either him Ryan Leaf Peyton manning walked in with a briefcase and interviewed you. Is that true story in what was your relationship? And what was your relationship like with pain? 'cause I got I got to see him work on practice and everything like that. He was a guy who knew everything knew what he wanted. Literally new everything knew what he wanted in command had to command and control and the respect of everybody. What was your relationship like with him? When those conversations have? Maybe the rest of the team couldn't see. It was the same as it was Jim Kelly, and the same as it was with Frank Reich, and and and any veteran quarterback that I'd been with throughout my career. We're we're we're. This is not boss. Employee relationship where colleagues were teammates. have to say I. WanNa hear. There are times when I'll disagree and I have two votes, and and in you only have one. I'm GonNa Bend over backwards to make sure. That your voices heard and be you have everything you thank you need to win. So from the day that he signed his contract and we drove together to training camp up Anderson University to this. We've been colleagues and friends and remained so while you guys were great tag team I was lucky to see the tail end of it. Thank you for drafting me. That is very nice of you. Thanks for having faith in not my athleticism would be able to figure out how to Punt I. can't thank you enough sir. Thanks it for what you did for us. You were great and I'm happy that you're careers. Progress the way it is. You're one of my favorite guys. Thanks for having Me Ladies and Gentlemen Bill Paulie Shaw. Awesome. Hey. When you when you get a chance, talk to people like that. You have to try to drain the orange as much as possible. How can we get as much information on that? That whole to fourteen year suck for luck thing? Because when everybody was saying now granted, there was some players that were questioned. Some of the coaches calls and be like listen. We're not trying to suffer luck, but there has been some calls here that really make us think that we are not trying our best to win, but maybe that was the coaches legitimately trying to throw something at the end of the fire. See if it'll stick, so I mean. The thought that Bill Polian was purposely trying to suck was always hypocritical to what happened contradicted. What happened where he got fired immediately after, so it's like. Did Bill Polian know that? Hey, we're gonNA suck for luck. Let's do it, and then you're gonNA. Lose your entire job. All your staff everybody that you've worked with for the last thirty years from Buffalo. All the way to Indianapolis is going to get fired. There's no way he knew that in the fact that he said the day before the Jacksonville Game Jim Mercy was like. Religions, Guy Walks the guy. Obviously, he's working draft. Luck, man, do you know how different hosts of be right now? If luck had a chance to sit behind paid for one year and I know that that would have been a big contract because it's the first round. Draft first overall pick, but with the way our our salary cap was setup. Payton. He's one of those guys that was able to win games. Regardless of everything else around now. That I didn't get to ask this question, he never gave a single damn about bringing in a special teamer. You know to help out. Never gave a damn. Never ever that was. That was just a part of the blueprint for the billpoint thing. We're GONNA. Pay a kicker. We're GONNA. Pay a punter you to have to take everything else where we're going to spend money now on. On Russia's because we're going to have a lead because we're GONNA pay quarterback in a couple of weapons, so he had his blueprint on how we going to spend money in this way, this is our strategy. This is how it's going to go, but in lieu of that you obviously have some drop off points and for me. It was just we never really had a real special teamer, which would have been nice back when I was trying to figure out how to input. I didn't even know how to punt those first couple of years, but it was awesome to watch that regime dude. It was just like the most put together professional been there done that thing, and then you go right into a rookie running head, coach and everything that they were trying to put together. It was very that transition was tough. It was a very very tough for anybody that was around. Matches athletic trainers everything it's a it's a whole new world. Fourteen years together that entire building was basically just the same thing, and then all of a sudden. It's see you later. Here's new guy. We're GONNA paint over the walls as well. It's always hard to get the proper nutrition into your body. Whether you're on the go whether you're working, or maybe you're just lazy and don't really think about it. 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Fill up with the right shit. Athletic Greens has all the good. Shit for you Greens, Dot Com forward slash pet- twenty free travel back it's. Hello. It is Thursday June eighteenth, two thousand and twenty this. Sports Talk I. AM The first part of that name Mr Pat Bac fi I'm wearing a collingwood magpies official kit tape over one of their sponsors, because all those sponsor paid going. Would they do not pay me no love here. This company small business. I believe over Australia. Will them a little bit love? But I'm all about the magpies. Let's go. Let's go calling thanks. Thanks for the kit? This morning can't wear the shorts all day because they are way too short. My nuts would be hanging out at the bottom of them, but I appreciate everything that's calling. Would bag positive done? Sitting to my left is Mr a j Hawk coury Aj. I'm doing great how you doing. We got the undertaker coming on a short five. Can't wait man. This is a big deal. The last ride the documentary that they're airing on wwe network about his kind of decision on to retire how to retire the behind the scenes stuff. It has been very very very well done. That cannot go undersold. You what we are what? He's been on a big media tour to talk about his last ride, obviously the last dance I think probably had a little bit to do with the naming of it, but one of the greatest of all time. Time, wrestlers a man who's been loyalty wwe for very long time they've documented so much stuff and getting a chance to see behind a screen. A little bit is awesome, and also his personal struggle, and when to call it quits when to retire when not to retire. What's fitting for the character? The undertaker I mean it's really deep. It's really good I. would recommend you watch Aj. I know you said you're too, but I. Hope you find enough time with your fifty five kids watch it. I am going to find time to watch I think I still have the wwe network because I got. If I bought WRESTLEMAINIA couple years ago. I have it right Yeah, it was free for new subscribers at the time, but you had to put in your car dot. Assume whenever you signed up an auto pay nothing. Mana, so yeah, you definitely still have it for sure. So. With the undertake in his career. Where's yet? He's not officially retired he now I think are still that's what this last episode is going to be a big like. This is this last episode that they have a episode? Five debut Sunday am I, think a lot of those questions are going to be answered his seven time world champion. He's been with WWF WWE fers entire career the character. The undertaker was one that he never talked. Talked to anybody publicly like for a long time, he was so dowd into the character the undertaker for so long so all this media that he's doing and I think that's why the last ride has been so good. 'cause you get a chance to see the guy that you literally have never really heard talk before great personality, great stories cannot wait the chat with them and look. How looks today just look at look at NYP. He's wearing a stone cold Steve Insert. He's got to take your hat then. I think this is going to be an exciting conversation. We'll probably get a couple of cuts out of this thing if I had to guess. How often does the undertake your show up shows now? It's a couple of times. A year depends like if you watch a documentary, there was one year where he was ready to go. Like three or four times, it almost felt like a conor McGregor situation where he was like ready to get back in but Vince. Like okay, let's do this. There's been it's been up and down. It's been an up and down last couple of years obviously undertaker weather in like he had a match with Goldberg and Saudi Arabia that was underwhelming, because we're to concussion early and wasn't able to do anything. Then there was a match with in Saudi Arabia. Arabia again. Where Mr H., Torres Peck in the middle of I mean there's just been a lot of situations where he's trying to find that perfect sendoff like his last match and I think they're trying to figure that out right now, and that's what episode five I believe on Sunday. We'll be talking about it. Why does he didn't want to have like a last match? Don't you know these guys always seem to pop up? Though and big moments like old guys come back. Yeah, they do. Obviously. There's like a nostalgia pop that a lot of people can get, but I think. To help us. Rookie switch over here. Everybody's email. Fox's what. I was just trying to play the media. Package, we know no. He's so worried about his damn leg. Foxy did with his legs. He took the same photo I talked this morning. so now we're going into that. He's been so. Everybody's been making fun of his legs on the Internet. Now. He's kind of in a bad spot, so he's a little bit flustered, but the picture. We're supposed to be getting the taker on right now. His personal said three more minutes three more minutes. Okay, show the picture up the picture of The the thing that you made foxy is possible to pull it up here. Okay, emmy in my legs obviously. have been underappreciated for Very Long Time I. Knew it anybody that's ever seen. My legs is known making sure everybody appreciates him now. This is the first time that I've ever said like. I'm fucking done with the conversation about my legs, not being in the conversation about being ridiculously large because they are. I mean the upper body of an adolescent but lower body of my Greek. God I've been saying Centaur for a long long time. Guide. Show that thing Foxy, so there's my legs obviously foxy. You've gotta hit the hit a button on the screen. They're just touch the screen. Foxy, just touch the screen. In, look at Fox. He's little. Legs are Aj looks like guys never done a leg day and his entire life. Fox here, you okay. I'll born this way. Aj a see, that's the thing like legs are very genetic. You were born with those cock, diesel legs and. Squats and you earn them, but you also were born a little bit ahead of the curve, a little bit ahead of Foxy. We Remember I. was born in a house at the bottom of the hill in a town with all hills, so to get anywhere I had to walk uphill to get anywhere literally anywhere the houses up on a hill, the Nice House on Hill, that's cool I'm at the bottom of the valley in basically one of the most hilly areas. It's actually called the. The East hills of Pittsburgh I am at the bottom of it so growing up if I wanted to get anywhere either biking straight, uphill or walking straight up ill, so yeah Tim McAfee. It's good legs on him back in the day, but I think my childhood of having to earn these legs is a big part of this now ladies and gentlemen. We have to pivot very quickly. Foxy does have tiny legs, but that has nothing to do with the conversation we're about to have. Ladies and gentlemen. If you've been watching along with the last ride on wwe network, you know this man is an absolute living legend who has been battling with when will be his last match in a WWe I've been a fan of here's my entire life. He's a living legend Future Hall of Famer. In the Wrestling World Ladies and gentlemen the undertake. Automobile. Now you already have. You don't have to Jack Shit in this conversation that you've already lived up to all of that Mr Taker. I appreciate your time today man. I'll. Hit. A. Aj is obviously sitting on the far right side of the screen at you're looking at right now. We can't thank you enough for joining us, I'm going to dive right into this watching and learning about the behind the scenes of the undertaker has been so cool, because even self, admittedly that character was so mysterious. You didn't do a lot of media. You didn't do a lot of talking now in this like last couple months here, I've got a chance to learn a lot about the undertaker in. It's been really cool. What does it been like for you to finally? Come out and get a chance to talk about this character that you've taken to the top of the world. Well, it's it's it's. It's been a work in progress It took me a while to kind of get comfortable with letting the guard down Even on when the we started this in the cameras were following me around I can't tell you how many times I would turn around and like. The hell, are you doing? The film, then it dawned on me like Oh yeah. I told you guys. They'd be like. It. Was You wanted us to do this? And then early on doing interviews like I've done more abused in the last month and a half and I haven't thirty years so Trying not to like pick my words and just let it go was like I've always had that. Guard that wall up to let it all. Come down. It's been. It's been pretty cool because you finally get to get some insight into different things that no one's got perspective on and I'm getting a little more comfortable as as as we move along. Were there times over the last thirty years where you would have liked to to kind of step outside, and and giving your opinion more or did you want to always make sure truly your character? It was always about the character. I think that's why it was so successful I didn't worry about like the business. In my concern was the business as a whole and the character, and what my heart and that was, and so that everything was focused in that area, so I am back on a day. You didn't have to worry about social issues and everything else going on It was just all focused on. It was all focused on the product in and Simpler Times everything obviously has changed and must have changed for the better, but. that's my mindset. My mindset was undertaker, twenty, four, seven, and and the wwe. Prospering your loyalty to Vince. McMahon is I think something that. I didn't truly even as somebody who has done a little bit of work with the wwe and also been a lifelong fan I did not know that the relationship between you and Vince was the way it was because the stories you hear about Vincent Van. That guy is a robot. He's a savage business. Wise doesn't like anybody, and then in like episode, three of the last ride their the sit down meeting about the contract where you go into his office or whenever you guys. When you came through the curtain, he walked with. You want to the hospital with you. That relationship is one that I think I've been very very like surprised to see how great it is. Obviously, he owes you a lot with our loyal. You've been, but I assume you feel the exact same way towards him. Absolutely none of this happens without him giving me that opportunity and which you've probably heard by now because I I, it's finally come out when I was at WCW. And, I went in for a contract. I wanted to go shake my contract. And I I was going up on my first year there and I wasn't looking for a huge, but I felt like I deserved just a little bit of a pay of payback. You know I was on the minimum deal and I was happy to get it when when I got it, but. I've been there for a year. been in pretty big stuff with different guys saw looking for a little bit of a bump, and they went to the offices there in Atlanta. And only Anderson Jim heard and Jim Barnett are all set in there and I went son. You're great athlete. But no one pay money to see Russel. Cheese! That's what I'm thinking. In my head I'm like. Wow. That didn't go well. But, but the writing was on the wall at that point because they already they already give me my ceiling. And you know so finally I had A. A started you know getting his conversations with WWe WWF at the time. And And a meeting with vents and Left that meeting thinking I'd just blown them away and this is interview and. At the end of that meeting it well, I don't really have anything for you right now. I wish I had give my notice down at WC. So, but he he eventually calls me and gives me an opportunity, and I said I couldn't you know. I I'm so blessed that he gave me that opportunity and I never forgot. You know I never forgot that and we've been through. Man We've been through good bad indifferent together our relationship now. Is It's more of a friendly. Really. Obviously, he's still the boss, but you know our relationship is is more. We call each other and shoot the shit more than we do we than we talk business. And I usually deal with somebody else in the corporate ladder when it comes to you know W W business, and our relationship is much more. You know Denmark awesome. But it really is, and you know. He you know everybody has their preconceived ideas about you know who then sales and what he has like. That man has got a hard big goal and You know you're you're loyal to him. And I mean he's. He's GonNa. Do Right by you and. You know we've we've obviously had that relationship, but relationship far exceeds that, but at this point and and. I think in the episode. Early on. You know I'm giving him craft. He's at the hospital I. Don't Know My name. But I knew, but I knew he at something else better to do. The be at the hospital of me so I was trying to get him crap about that. but he left. Wrestlemainia and it was still going on to go to the hospital to check on me so that right there. You know that tells you a lot about the man. Is there anybody out there that can kind of put Vincent Man in his place like? Have you seen that over the last thirty years? Is there somebody that can kinda? That can kind of speak back to them whether it be his wife, a family member anyone else. Well Doug back to. Whether, it's going to do any good or. We I have I've come out on the short end of. More Than I care to admit but He You know. I think he needs more people around him. That will give honest. you know giving honest opinions and honest answers. As, you can imagine he's. He's got a lot of people around him. That says yes. Sir Mr McMahon and Don't they don't want to make waves and and all that I think he needs a little bit more people that that. Don't fear you know the wrath of. Mr To make mad, yeah, so let's talk about that. Let's talk about the current state of the wwe because it's still to this day I. mean the other night Christian was on their big pop andrews on their big pop that match with Randy. Orton was was next level. I mean Great Ring Psychology. It was beautiful. It's like a trip back in time stone costs. Interrupt you but I. it's my thoughts exact. I enjoyed that match so much that you know I found myself a watched it with no volume. I just watched the match and was mesmerized, but anyway let's go ahead no one. Hundred percent right, but then when stone codes glass. It's still gets a massive pop. Whenever the bells go off for you. The place goes crazy right now. There's not a lot of people I mean Charlotte flares, probably the most over out of anybody. Roman was getting a little bit of a push. But what do you think about the state? Right, not a little bit of a push, but with the crowd. What do you think about the current state of the WWE? Do you think there comes a time where there are some younger guys you're? Going crazy in the fans really go over for. Yes Oh, there's such an influx right now of a really basically new talent and. So they're, they're all new. When we came up like myself, triple h Shawn Michaels, we already had got established guys that were there to work against an and guys that we were looking to Bush out. Not Not, not in a I mean just in a competitive manner. Ya Get them the hell out of here, yeah. It's just like we were hungry. And everybody was bruce grabbing for that brass ring and we were you know we competitive amongst ourselves, even though stone call was at the top. Will there was rock right after him in triple H and Shawn incurred. Reaching for the brass ring. and it was a healthy was a healthy competition. you know right now. There's a overall I think niceness to niceness. Yeah, guys. You know nobody really wants to. You know nobody wants to be that guy and I I don't know I. Hope so it just. It's so hard to figure out now how to connect. With our with our audiences you know. I protected my character for so long. And and did all the things that I did. Because that's what I felt like I couldn't have that disconnect. When people saw me in public and when people saw me on TV, I wanted them to see the same thing, yeah! In this day and age, you see people out trying to do something on TV. And then you know, and then they're on their phones and doing and social media, and their something completely different I agree you know so. There's a big disconnect there and any mystique that you might have is lost. A like okay. Oh, he's acting. He's doing. He's known this now. I'm not saying the way I did things was was right. It was right for me. But, but I. IT worked for me at and I lived it and I have I have no regrets because here I. Am you know thirty years later? And we're having this conversation so. I think. I don't know if you can put the toothpaste back in the tube or not. But I think there needs to be a kind of a little bit of a pullback. and not so much exposure to the guys and let them try to figure out what it is. They want to what they want to present on TV. And then kind of live at a little bit just so that. There's some authenticity to it, yeah? How is everything away now? Everything's giving away. It's interesting, too, because you see somebody on social media, right? This was the big law now Lashley, rousseff angle that really. I don't know what the expectation was inside the company, but outside the company is like well. We know lawn and Reuss ever married. This is kind of a weird thing to happen. Because the behind the scenes now you're learning a lot more about whether. It's social media human behind the care. It's a very interesting time to kind of balance thing. It really is and. I kind of look at it. It's kind of a detriment really I really do. I mean. Obviously, understand, you know. Everybody understands what sports entertainment is now. But, you, still you know magicians don't don't show their tricks. They don't show you how to do tricks. If you do that then it's. You know it's. Ok on our understand. How does? Interest so and that's kind of what we've done with our business to a degree. There is there's no mystery. There's Mystique to it and I. Think IT'S A it's a detriment to you, know obviously you know. Everything's progressing and evolving and. But there there is something to some some old school stuff that's been lost that I think they need to get back to. Do! You think there's going to be someone that comes up that. Obviously, there's never going to be another undertaker, but will somebody. Be Able to come up and keep that mystique throughout their whole career as you have for so long. Is that possible nowadays? It's going to be really hard Like I said I didn't have to battle I didn't have to battle social media for the first. You know ten fifteen years really. I didn't have to worry about cell phones and cameras as much as guys do I. Mean You can't do anything or can't. Be Anywhere in this day and age without somebody taking video taken a picture. posted it to whatever so I mean. It's GonNa take such a big effort. By someone I mean hopefully, someone is motivated enough to do it. at least try to do it. But I, just I just can't see it happening in this day and age there's is there. Everybody's so. overexposed. Let's talk about not having to live around the camera phone, a timeframe or the social media timeframe where everything you're doing is being documented. This story that I heard on Steve Austin show. On wwe network about you put in Cyprus to sleep. He's probably my favorite story that I have ever heard when he comes to legendary. It was awesome, so Aj for those that don't know how summer I don't want you to tell the whole entire story again because there's a little, but I guess I. Guess Old Mister Taylor here sitting next to us here Mr. Taker was pretty legendary drinker legendary drinker, and there was this one tore. They're on and he was going to go to bed because he had long night before it stopped me. If I'm ever wrong on any of this, please Mr. Several long nights before. Take off. Just GonNa, take one night off your your room, walking through the lobby and Cyprus was either theref- with the wwe or not, and they kind of gave him like. Oh, you're going to bed I. Like Oh, you tired Oh. Is that Kinda how it went. Yeah, that's kind of how win. I was on my way up slow. Tell had pass the hotel. BARBS IS GONNA. Stop in and say hey, what's up, guys editing O. Cypress was in there. And so I was just gonNA say a load of two to the wwe guys, and then go to bed and next thing you know you know. Hey, take a as from hill their own tour over here. Two guys doing speech. Guys Yeah I've had I've had a rough week I'm GONNA I'm GonNa go to bed. And somebody you know hacked off. Man When I heard, you could go weird. You could already. Well not tonight you know. Get Jeff Turpin and it was just like. Okay Boys. And if I'm not mistaken that night ended with you an expert in one of their rooms, and that one's you saw the final Cypress. Hill member fall asleep. You woke up xbox and was like. Our job is done here. Let's go to bed exactly. It was like leaving the gunfight at the OK corral. there. There was a blue smoke that had come down to about three feet above the floor. You know you're looking around. It's just like bodies everywhere. xbox was. He was laying on my shoulder like that unconscious and grabbed him. Leave no man behind. Door opens up out of the room and. It was WHO. It was rough. There was some rough. Rough Rough dudes in the lobby the next day. That's why I was not Xanthi. My favorite part of the whole story is the fact that you said you had an early college on the next morning, and you just know sold it because you didn't want anybody to think that you're in a terrible spot, but you're absolutely getting crushed inside your. Oh. I was still drunk. A student a cold shower for five minutes. This trying to you know. Get it together. You know finally. I said we go walk down. Hey, what's up? You know and everybody like? Hold onto dudes. Was it a bad thing is there? Is there anybody else that you guys at? There's a not as legendary story is what you did to Cypress Hill in the WW world mark. Henry had to carry me home. Summer Slam. New York City back to a hotel. We had a hell of a night, but was I think back in the day. That was something that was kind of like understood. The Hey, the wrestlers the hotel lobby after. After, the work is done a good time. It's going to be had. was there any legendary partners that ran into whether it was ended WWe business or outside 'cause? The waste stone cold was talking about. You were the guy that the wwe was like? Hey, this is our guy. If we have to have somebody drink against somebody, take her is our guy. Is there anybody else. Anybody else that you count your warmed up. There not anybody that I really not no not. Really think that. Most people stayed clear of us. You know we. Were still the of the pariahs back then nobody you know ordered associate much with us, so we associated with ourselves them and we just demolished ourselves and. I am this. We didn't miss only good times. That's for sure I have this quote that you know because nowadays with nutritionists and scientists and all this shit there. Everybody's like I always had this quote. A team comes together a lot better around a keg than they do Kale moments, though where you're sharing a beverage with each other and kind of learning more about each other that carries into your workplace and football teams that carries. Carries into the locker room. The Chemistry is higher whenever you're talking about a wrestling locker room. The chemistry has to be very high for the show to go on every single week. Is that accurate is? It has ever been a time where somebody in the locker room was like kind of I don't WanNa say an outcast, but a little bit different in kind of fucked up. Maybe what everybody else had on? Oh Yeah you've always got an. Athlete but sport it is or our entertainment genre. There's always somebody that's a little different and you know. We're pretty much of a pretty inclusive group because we traveled together everywhere. What Overseas Marsala and when when the states we kind, we travel separately, but. you know there was always an opportunity Treaty to be part of whatever and then my role I. Think what what what you know people. Valued with me as they knew that I went out, and I and I had a good time. And they could trust. They could trust the okay. Will you know he's doing the same thing as we are? But. They always knew that when it came time. You know when it came bedtime. It's time to go and you can't. You can't. Say Hey. We'll. We'll get along night. Remember Yeah I was there all night with you? It's time to work, and then we go do it all over again, but you can't. You know you can't. You can't dog in the ring because we had a late night. And I think that's what a lot of guys respected that because. More Times than not I was one of the last guy standing at the bar. And then I got one of the first guys on the bus next morning. legend. And I think they they appreciated that. You knew that you know they trust men. They knew that. You know regardless of my relationship with with the you know the corporate side. That I was still one of the guys. And and I definitely agree that that kind of camaraderie that you share with you know having a beer whatever it is. It didn't matter you know if he didn't drink. You didn't drink. That's fine But be part of the be part of it. And you know people ask me all the time. I don't know this kind same that. You know people. Ask me all the time about writing a book. And I'm so I. Tell People Look. Things. That would make my book good. Things I can't talk. On my mom's still alive. Two I, I enjoy being married to Michelle. Statue of limitations don't. Run Out There, but Yeah, but but the thing that. Everybody's like yeah. That would be a great book, but the stuff all that stuff that I've shared with those guys. You know I value that stuff it and I don't know. I. Don't need to tell the world about that. You know it's not fair to you. Know somebody else's life that. You know we had that time together. We did these things and I think it's better having those memories and Elia and having that trust amongst you know good friends. How has that changed behind the scenes? That Camera Camaraderie from when you started till now I'm sure you've seen it more like you guys still hang out like that behind the scenes. I don't think you know there's there's a few guys now. That are starting to hang out again, but there was. There was a period of time I. Guess where like the no-one no-one went out. They all. Got Nothing it's video games. Video Games are great, but you know. They would bring their. Video Games out on the road and sitting there hotel rooms and And play video games in as is like. I'm not going to judge you I'm not as deal with. That's what if that's what makes you that because you got to do? Whatever makes you keep saying when you're out on the road as long as we're out on the road every year, but You know, it. It wasn't you know what my what my deal and But I think there's a few of the guys now that that. Are you know they're young? And they got a little bit chaining her pocket and. They, WANNA. Have a good time here and there so I. Think there's more there's there's there's more. To this lifestyle obviously didn't just being in the wrestling ring. You know I got said, and it's like you're saying the camaraderie that you have with. Some of these guys are GonNa last for a lifetime. I remember make I. Appreciate you taking time with US right now I! Don't know how I was told twenty five thirty minutes, so we'll get you out of here as soon as possible. I'd like one or two more questions and I appreciate your time here. You are the leader of the locker room and everybody's is everybody's like anybody that talks is I. Take the Guy Takers Guy now. When you were young, there was a story I. think it was on maybe. Forget if it was Steve Awesome show or one of the last rides. Were you thought there was a chance that you're GONNA? Get a fight in the locker room. Because of what happened in the ring, it was when you were younger guy, but as you grow older, you became the leader of it was a tag team match I think somebody would beaten the hell out of somebody. And you thought there was a chance. There's going to be a scuffle into locker. It was great. Great I think it was a Steve Austin. Yeah, yeah, it was a great conversation, but you became the leader of the locker room. What does that entail whatever you're the leader of the locker? Because right now everybody says it's Roman reigns is the leader of the locker room, and that's like a big deal in the wrestling businesses. WHO's the leader of the Locker Room? What does that all entail? And did you know that you were leader? Locker Room when you were the leader lager? I was leaning had no clue really. I. Feel into a really curious place. Because I had this relationship with the corporate side, they trusted me. And then our talent. They Trust And you know they knew that anything that happened. like like most times was when when a situation where would come up. I was able to defuse it. long before you know, the top brass had to come down, and and you know and do something like we. We were able to release ourselves and. And and I think guys trust me enough like about full somebody aside like a never tried to be that got it. Would you know? CUSS, everybody out or somebody out in front of a bunch of people. Pull somebody aside and said Hey. Matt. Look you know you're screwing this up. You really. Are you need to take a look at yourself? And figure out you know. Are you, are you with this? Are you with, are you not? You need to figure it out because you know such shots, abouts come down on you. You know and daughter you know. And then they were like okay. All Right, okay, appreciate that and usually that's all it would take something like that, and then you know the guys had learnt hard ways. But It it was. At that especially early on in my life I I was on the road. Two hundred seventy days a year Geez. You know I'm with these guys more than with my own family. And You know. And unfortunately I guess you know. Can I handle things about better work than I? Did in my personal life. early on and like I, told. Someone asked that question recently. Yeah, if anything happened to work, I had the answer. You know I I I could give you some type of advice that would help you. Get through or diffuse a situation. Better than I did in my personal life You know I'm kind of catching up on that aspect at in this aspect of our is where I'm at in life now, but. But it it. You know I did this is nothing? It just kind of happened and it was just the way. It was always business first. And you know having a good time was part of it, but it was. It was always business I and I. Think everybody appreciated that. You know yeah, I demanded you know I demanded everybody. Work their ass off, but you know we could. We could have a good time to and it all works together, but you know when. You don't you know at the end of the day it's it's what you do in the ring and putting acid and seats that matter and. You know I just. Able I guess respected the fact that that I could do both and and I didn't have an. I didn't have an agenda. Other than to keep growing the business you. If you ever have any other wrestlers like resent you for this relationship you had with the corporate side and you're one of the guys as well like today. Look at you say. And how do you balance this out and sometimes have hard feelings towards that? No one's ever said anything to me, I don't I'm trying to think. You know. Other than the first couple of years I don't think I've had really any confrontations or anybody's ever add. You know no one's ever said anything negative to face You know smart. Obviously I'm sure of Piss somebody off along the land very smart. But I don't I don't I've never had any issues. Where somebody all you suck up or you know you kiss ass or anything like that because. They didn't even their wildest imaginations. I didn't have. You know. They just didn't have any any anything to support that last question for me here. Obviously, one of the greatest gifts of all time is cozy in the crowd. After you get, beat Wrestlemainia in the streak, it's broken day that face are the absolute shock in terror of the streak. One of the greatest things to ever exist in sports was broken by brock listener there. There's there now that the footage is come out behind the scenes. Of the UFC with brock, and then obviously right before you guys, go out, there slaps you and. Bring it to you and you say I'm bring it right back like that moment going into that Wrestlemainia. What was the mindset of like how this could be perceived? Who ultimately those conversations that led into that moment in? How big was that in your life? Like I assume that was a rather large moment in the history of your life I would assume. The street and broke yeah. Yeah, you know I. Mean What it was at twenty one dollars at that point and. Found out that day. The day of so It's really hard to give you a lot of perspective. because. My memory that day stops at about one thirty in the afternoon I got concussed during that match and I don't remember it. As and that was the last memory that I had was about one thirty when Michelle came backstage and talk to me for a little bit. And the next thing I'm at the hospital at four thirty in the morning. She's Try Try to get her to tell me my name a wrestling's fake by the way. I'm glad it's I'm glad it's not anymore real. of thirteen surgeries things that happened in the ring. You know. And that's another thing that's changed through the years like early on my career you now, somebody says something like that. It's Tom should have been by an ad as like. You know what I got. I got a road map my buddies. A roadmap scars from being fake wrestling. So a you know tell you walked a mile in my shoes. You might want to just keep walking. But. The only thing I remembered asking. Are you sure? Are you sure it's what you WANNA do? and. These if it's not rock who whoever could do it and You know, said okay. I said it's. It's his baby and. you know I. You know none of that none of the twenty one and happens without him so in the end of the day. that was his call, and and I had to respect it and. You know. That's that's the way it is on a personal level. What I would I you know perfect world. Go undefeated! Absolutely! Yeah, by the way we wanted. You gotta feed it before you get out of here I WANNA show you. We. Well. How do you feel about this right here? Does this look like? Boy! He is Steve. Austin shirt on hat and WIG. Trying to do is best undertaker as a stone cold fan. You have captivated people all across the globe man for a long time. I don't know what this last episode is. GonNa show on Sunday I. Don't know when or how you're going to get your final sendoff or whatever you want to do, it's been. It's been a hell of a joy to watch you work. My friend while tree say that that means a lot too many men and. Yeah this this. This last episode is going to be a good one We're still putting the final edits to it, but It's definitely one you don't WanNa Miss. It is Thursday one thirty four Sunday. Ten Am debuts on wwe network the last ride episode five putting the final edits on it. That's fantastic. Maybe we'll make it ladies. A job at undertaker's awesome I. Hope that. You know what I mean. They cut that in. We can't thank you enough for joining us man. You're the best hope I get a chance to see you in real life at some point nine line. Can you talk about that? You wear a lot of that gear. I assume it's something fantastic. Absolutely. This is a veteran owned and operated company out of Savannah Georgia They do a lot of work with homeless veterans. they built in Savannah. They built a tiny veteran village where they're given veterans, homeless veterans two year opportunity to go back and go to trade school, or or get a degree and try and get these guys off the streets back into. Society? they just do a Lotta Gray. Work with with with our veterans and I am a big supporter of of a veterans in general and I got hooked up with these guys and yeah, where a lot of their stuff just to get the message out there You know that we should never forget those who fought for us and and and to. To is do as much we can form a man. You can be against the war before the war, but you have to before the warrior, because that is literally the bad ass in the entire thing. Thanks to nine line. Thanks to you and I can't wait to watch episode. Five Sunday ten am the last ride with the Undertaker Ladies and gentlemen. More, Calloway the undertake. Thank, you man, you're the best thanks guys. To Dawson. Oh Cool! Is he just like Super Cool Guy? Legends living up to their expectations that Cyprus. Oh, sorry, so when he was on Steve Austin show Aj. He stopped drinking. He has stopped drinking like not fully, but he has obviously gone away, so Steve Austin brings out like a bottle of Jack into shot, glass, or one shot glass I think I forget how it gets introduced, but he pours a shot in takers like. Well, if we're GONNA, go, let's go. He starts taking shots with them. And then the party stories came out about Cypress Hill, and that whole it's like a traveling family. They're like a circus. Just picking up and moving, you gotta really rely on each other, and that guy was the leader of the whole that was awesome. I'm so happy stop by. And you think people. He said no one's ever said to his face ago. We resent your relationship with corporal ever, and I'm thinking well. Yeah, aren't you six ten and one of the scariest? You're. Your little known for being one of the most intimidating humans of all time. Everybody's Oh look at kiss, ass, blocking. Undertake to pop it out of. The mouth rate in the MA. That was awesome. That was really cool that nine line he has. If you watch the last ride, W network has long sleeves the nine line short sleeves. He has it all I'm wondering what that is. I'm happy to ask. The high brain reminded me of it as soon as we got started. You should watch at Aj I'M GONNA. Watch it. I I knew of it because I've seen him bouncing around doing a couple, other media things and he was always good on him. Yeah I was I was. When did he start? Kind of breaking character just recently very very recent I. mean the amount of interviews he has done I think that's why it's such a big deal for instance there, no way in Hell I would take anybody on a show after they've just done seventy five interviews in the same week. Right because there's no reason like okay. Let's wait a week or two weeks. Whenever dies down a little bit? Everything you've said has already been basically talked about, and let's have a fresh conversation at some point, but when the undertaker. Hasn't talked much in forever. You finally get a chance like interview and chat. I mean we had to do it, so it's all been within the last couple of weeks really that he's fully opened up. It's been cool man just because he's been there done that with like literally everything he's been there done. Yeah? We should've asked them a little bit about. Did he ever hang out with Ric flair I? Know Ric flair can go. I Know Yeah I had? He has on that with flair. and I wonder how many Rick flair stories. He has about taker. You know like I. Wonder How many Ric flair stories are about. He's always units, one bar Omaha or whatever and I bought. You know my classic hundred shots where everybody and then taker came in and drank all of them. Sure there's some all those behind the scene. Stories are what make those and then by the going. He said he had ten surgeries. He was concussed there. For what what is it? Fourteen hours he was concussed for doesn't remember anything I mean the amount of injuries, physical and athleticism. It takes to be a wrestler and the travel schedule, and then they're also party. It's you have to have it. You have to be a special breed of human to be able to pull it off. Yeah you do I, would imagine the wrestlers with this whole. Kobe Much, needed break for them when it comes to the travel do with. There's always been conversations about having on season and offseason. Maybe alternating like there's those conversations have been happening for the last ten years and I think the fact that Vince travels to every single show in he still his I think that will be I. Don't know if they're ever going to change. I don't know if they're ever going to. They made a lot of money. A lot of success change a lot of lives with what they're doing right now. -SSUME that they're going to potentially do this. Until the wheels fall off a, it's A. It's a wild schedule though they're all over the place. Yeah, we'll triple H. he's next in line, right. He's GonNa take over. I don't know I i. have no idea. Honestly I have no idea because. I think that an interesting conversation as well that I didn't even want to dip my toes into their with the old taker. Because obviously you have triple, H and Stephanie Have Shane McMahon You have other people that have worked there for a very long time, so it's that is going to be an interesting transition as well, but Vincent man might never die though so. Glickman might live forever. I think there are actual people myself included. who think that is potentially an option? Is that Vince just lives forever? Yeah I can see that I if anyone's going to do it. Will be the top of the list of people that I think could possibly do it. They say he works out like four am still three am like he's ever it's still is. Isn't. She thinks she's like ninety nine. Yes, so Vincent Pants Potentially Never GonNa die so that conversation. I don't even know if they've even had the conversation about who's potentially next, but there is I'll. I'm intrigued to see how that business changes if it has to change or if it does change it all because I would assume with science and things that are being learned about the body and travel, and that something's going to have to give, but right now they're all. All Fun operate now. The performance center seems to be going on well. Ratings are still over a million, basically for everything I mean got to feel pretty good here for a long time Let's transition talk about some real life stuff. That's happening the MLB. Did you learn of any of the stuff that happened last night? Rob Manfred said at my request at my request I in the middle of a work stoppage and potential burning down of my league. Eh, by request. In, Tony Clark met for several hours yesterday in Phoenix. We left that meeting with a jointly develop framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement which just means we agreed to potentially agree which no sense he said I summarize that framework numerous times in a meeting in San Antonio Written summary Today, basically rob Manfred said he's encouraging. Clubs move forward as Tony's doing the same. Same. It sounds like that meeting was a lot of rob Manfred telling Tony what he would like to do. He said I had to say several times and I'm assuming a lot of that meeting was tony going yeah players aren't gonNA agree to that. Like what do you want? And then he had re explain it and her. Explain it every single day that passes. It seems like the. Drama gets worse, but they are at the eleventh hour on top of the eleventh hour. They're GONNA play games. How many will be? There's a difference a two hundred and forty five million right now between the sixty games prorated salary that the MLB once into seventy games at the BPA wants. How can you not just make that difference? And let's get back to baseball and get this over with because the MLB rob Manfred one win and associations publicly. That's the only reason why at this point think. He's trying to save face I. Think a little bit I think. Didn't you say it to the Samson like when they had that round table? Rob Manfred is the only one that lost the night. Nights ago. Did. That thing is true, so yeah, he wants to try to. Make himself. Look a little bit better because it's pretty rare that the players are the ones where like fans are siding with when it comes to work stoppage, obviously players. No one's GonNa ever feel bad for players but this. In right now, baseball. It's like Okay I. Get it I understand why. The players Matt why they haven't agreed to this deal yet. It should have been done though I can't say this. That should have been done whenever their spring training stopped, and they went, and did some agreement in March about a potential whatever that deal should have been getting done during the thing like hey, this what we're thinking whenever we get. Get back over many games. We can do ready now. It's at the point where it seems as if the MLB just trying to save some money in cut short on games, and that's just not a good look, especially when you're a bunch of billionaires in the world is in a place, and it's and it's just a lot of drama. A lot of stupidity and Rob Manfred, I think is an actual stooge. Did you watch the AFL this morning. Yeah so everything every snap lie funnest. Lying was he line? Was It on this morning? Why don't you send me a text man? If you were up I was up I could have watched in talking about for the last three days those morning five forty a m. there's a game Richmond Tigers Hawthorn hawks, and I'll tell you what it was a blowout, so you didn't really miss that close to the game, but the fact that you refuse. Futures flat out refuse to give a the AFL nauseous football chance is disheartening. I want to let it is disheartening to everybody in this office and everybody on the island of Australia. First off, there's no way that over. The boys have the same passion for the NFL. Jay. Z.. That! See that. That's not what they say. Like you may not know this, but after the show as soon as we stop going live, your up gotTa Poop and you go, and you leave, and you take your dump I. Sit not chat with the boys a little bit off air, and that's when they give me. Their true feelings about. You feel air listen. I can have a conversation about that offer. Feel as if they are being held hostage here to talk about the fell, but I will let you know. It's the only physical sport in town right now, and it's a sport that I'd never seen before so feels like every game is like my first game. Watching and I learned something new this morning. There was a lot of the REF was calling lot of penalties. That I didn't know existed this morning. There was a lot more penalties than I thought, but man I mean. It is a sport that you would love age. You would love saying I'm not saying I don't like. asking. Me Up Asia. You will wres-. Oh, Jeez I thought you were the undertaker there for a second. That was just talking about. It wasn't everybody else. That was just how deep voice gets. He does his undertaker, but it does feel like you are slapping Australia. Right in the face every single time one of these games happening. You refuse to watch now I. Don't need you to try to bully me into it into watching. That's what I by the way I think that's what at some point you know the whole, I can lead them to water. Thing can't make them drink, I'm GONNA, stick your head under the water a drink at some point. Garth Brooks Sane. Every once in a while you can get a camel and take water, but you can't force at home packs on bitch. Drink until you show. It's head on your water Rodney Bitch bottom of the ocean. In bad is what I did with Chris Gaines. I can't with Garth, you watch. You Watch the fucking AFC. Is that not a problematic. Now Chris Gains Garth Brooks. Don't even know that Australia exist. What? Wait on the trillion charts. It was like Keith Urban Mike. Some. Shot it, keyser, so garth brooks the dissolved a troll. That's some people. have been around back then when wall. So Keith urban comes into the country music world. POPs Garth Brooks probably off a couple of notches because Keith urban becomes this guitar savage. Music Eero so garth Brooks says by the way this might up garth brooks couple of notches in my brain. If he's so spiteful, he's like al-Qaeda Nemo character and go down Australian fuck. Just take urban off the charts down there. If that is how this all played out, I am pumped up about Garth Brooks. Chris Danes all of a sudden that what you're saying. Is alleged. It's a rumor can neither confirm nor deny, but why will you watch? Chris Gaines Garth Brooks while you want, watch the AFL. because. It's on Netflix easy for me to go to instead of. He spent to ESPN two into your up working out. Apparently I'll tell you gonNA. dvr It. said that, Tuesday. Star you visit all ready. You've missed it already I can go online and watch it I'm not sure you can't you can't. They sent me a full kit. Dude selling a fouquet watch it. For photo of be me my entire uniform. Can we please put me under age AJ look at that. Guy Ready to take over to Pitch Gardens Enzi. Why is there much like Photoshop? Under this picture? Well, it's kind of a boring photo. Had I got this APP I got influenced into getting this APP. That kind of makes you like. You can put on backgrounds I can even. Even get like shooting stars background. Now you know that on instagram. There's that APP the photo APP that it makes you stop and look at it. It's an editing photo APP. It brings photos to life I got it. I don't know how to make the photo life yet, but I'll get into that I got influenced in the pain six ninety nine a month for that thing. Bought the three your package to all the money out of me I'll use it probably two more times I. Guess, but it's. Don't worry about the photoshop. Let's just talk about the Kit Collingwood. Magpies sent me of those shorts not. Not, not the longest shortest, but boy I felt good in the football gear. You the good man. You look like you could go play right now. I think I could now cardiovascular wise. It's going to take a little bit. They're going to have to be in and out a little bit, but this ball rate here. I could bomb this ball. Probably a quarter mile with ads you. This thing this thing would drew would fucking go. Aj, like undertaker go. I don't know I don't like that, so this isn't a real game. When it feels 'cause, there's a yeah. Did they send me a fake? One got a bar. Display Ball. From gift, shop! It's like when you buy a Jersey from the pro shop, and all this nonsense jersey, and it's six axle gigantic and goes down to your knees. That's what they say. Now, they didn't they like me. They sent me the real stuff. This was used in a game. I think you'd even has a couple notches. Game Ball a Gameboy. They put my name on it just because they're like at one a game bowl. Yeah that was that is a barcode of authentication. Thank you, thank you so much. This is authentic. What what's just said? The NFL. We have to talk about this NFL. Dot Com ranked divisions in the NFL strictly by the quarterbacks that will play in that division in wait until you see this lineup. Have you looked into this yet? It's unbelievable God, and put it up there foxy at number one. They have the NFC south. We could have all predicted that. These quarterbacks are in no particular order. They're just the quarterback from the thing. NFC South Number One matt. Ryan drew brees Tom Brady Teddy Bridgewater. We all understood that they were going to be number. One number two keeping up their number two Kyla Murray Jared Goff Jimmy. Garoppolo Russell Wilson couldn't imagine them being fucking wrong at number two they on there's way that's the number two overall. You'd have to think how come. Come the AFC west is at three in the AFC north is at four is Ben Rothlisberger just some schmuck in his Lamar Jackson, the MVP some schmuck. What are they got going on? How about the NFC East Dak Prescott Carson Wentz and ask his Daniel Jones all the way down at the bottom. The AFC south isn't getting a lot of respect in this entire thing aside from garment you. The other three are proven vets at this point Ryan Tannehill just had the best career of the best season of his life, then the NFC. Who knows is going to be a quarterback for the bears. They're stunned quarterbacks there at five. Somehow all these rankings come out I feel like they are trolling us and just the fought with us, so we have something to talk about I'm thankful for that, but I think they got probably six out of the wrong right there Do you think the first number one is right? I think with burden I think number one in the NFC South Matt. Ryan drew brees Tom Brady Teddy Bridgewater. That just feels like that's right. But there's a couple of other ones like there has to be a little mix and match, and we go on the AFC East isn't even last the NFC's. Should be less this work, sure a troll job here by NFL DOT COM, and I appreciate the fact that the NFL is getting into the troll game and just click bake game, but that's what we live for to be honest with you. The AFC east all those guys are are other than Fitzpatrick are kind of not unproven, but they're like okay potential. These guys have a high ceiling. I Know Sam. darnold could be a star Josh. Allen is on his way. Fitzpatrick slash tour. We know to hopefully they. They want him to be the face the franchise and end jared stem. Who knows what he's GonNa do enough. Nobody has if he's going to be starting my cam, Newton might be the Star for the Patriots this year. Note it has a clue, but the fact that they got the NFC east or tapping the fact, they got the NFC east at eight. Eight that is just to piss off all the cowboys fans right? That's why they did that. Then the the fact that they got the AFC west there I assume that's because pat him homes, the NFC west though I don't know how. That's number two I a lot of these rankings is it makes me lose? Faith in people's brains is in all overall knowledge of the sport, but this from the NFL so i. don't even know maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we're wrong here. They must love Goffin mcvay then. Just quarter. Thanks doing reading. You put up any kind of list. The only reason you have any list is to get people talking. Give people arguing and say no. You're stupid. You're students. You don't know what you're doing. It same thing with with those dumb power rankings come out every six hours every single sport. I do love judging these power. People like watching US judge. The people that are judging people does great on the Youtube, but looking at that list this morning almost made my head, fuck and pop I was so confused by who writes who? Somebody's hired by the NFL their employees. They are employed by the NFL to talk about the NFL put that list together and is that. Make me like kind of scared for the future of the NFL. Maybe maybe this person ends up commissioner. You'll know work from the bottom all the way to the top. Think to north to to West. Maybe we should switch spots. Yeah, the MC North has some status I think that's north is robbed here. Absolutely, it's raw I think the NFC. North should be up at number three. I'M NOT GONNA put anybody at two or anything like that or three, but I just know that there's some people should be a lot fucking lower in the NFC, nor should be a lot higher least. The NFC should not be that low. The AFC shouldn't be that high I. mean there's a lot to dissect here. It's almost like they said Hey. Point out where we fucked up as opposed to. This is what we think that that's almost what it feels like. How can you have an eighth thing ranking and get seven of them wrong? Nobody knows but the NFL DOT COM is able to do it. What about where do you think the NFC south would be ranked if it was James Tom Brady and Tampa. Comment Tom. Toms is still in New England. Well Jas higher than one. I don't know the probably the top four soon. They'd be topped work because you. Visit J. Exactly we didn't account for backup. Blaine Gabbert is getting a quite an rob years well big handsome, Blaine, by the way. Have you seen the photos? He's been posted on the Internet. Is. It right now I remember Blaine. Gabbert was stunned back in the day. He's but anyways. Yeah I. Don't know I have no idea about that. If you want to L. A. would that change anything if he wants to the LA chargers with that. If, he stayed in New England with that change anything, of course like wherever wherever Tom is probably GONNA be ranked number one in that that ranking system. Really just because it's. Because it's Tom Because Tom such polarizing figure? Everyone knows him. Everyone talks about them, and for the sake of these list wherever time would be, they would put him in number one. Patrick, mahomes carried that AFC west over there I. Mean Patrick. Mahomes is the reason why they're. There Derek Carr I. Guess He's good. He knows if tired by the way Derek Carr was very good. We don't know if he's going to continue to be very good. Raiders went on a run last year. That surprised everybody tyrod Taylor, he took the buffalo bills to the playoffs cut after that so I drew lock had good seven Games Patrick Mahomes is carrying the AFC west number three. So maybe you're right wherever Tom Brady goes they in this person's, I would carry them up higher in the ranking, but I just. I mean this is all just a bunch. A bunch trashed me. If you look at this ranking system here, throw it out. I think whoever made this list? They did their job by having people attack it. That's what you want especially now with nothing to cover when they're just trying to drum up ideas. Hey, what can we put out we need some. What can I right now? Okay, here we go list are always happens on radio a lot. There's nothing to talk about today. What's rank the top five? Six men coming off the bench in the NBA from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty-three. Belly tubes is always trying to get me to do that type of stuff. Ranked like, maybe maybe maybe we ranked the top hundred football players of all time. Maybe do that on today's show because those always do well on the Youtube. They always do well on the Internet so I respect what they're doing i. just don't respect the person's opinion that put that particular list together. Dr Foul Cheeses son of a bitch. Right here on the Right here on the sheet here got sold at school across espn and the bottom doctor. FAUCI needs go ahead. Listen tone tone, foul I'll repeat the same thing. I said earlier okay. I understand you've had what four decades worth of high-end Medical Research Study Agenda whatever you got going on. I don't dive deep into that, but I don't need you right now on June eighteenth telling me all these other sports are about to pop back off that the NFL is not going to happen doesn't see how it's going to go. It's like hey fought. Hey, Thatch! Don't get back to worrying about saving people's lives. Don't try to kill the League despite keep me alive now. Okay I don't need. We don't know what's going to happen next week. Okay, we don't need you projecting six seven weeks down the road. Road here. We're already doing enough of that early. In by the way, that's why we're in the point where we're at right now. Okay, so tone I'm assuming in the medical world. Okay? Dear, th avenue looked into it. You do, but I'll need you. Tell me that my league is not coming back because of your thoughts and expectations on June Eighteenth Fox. Get the hell on. Well, there's no, that's the weird thing about this whole situation whatever she says like if he says it's absolutely not say for the NFL to play if they don't quarantine everybody in kind of playing a bubble and have host cities or whatever. Even if he says that nobody from the League has to abide right like they don't have to. Know Power? The mean it's fine for him to say this. But what did you say it? Maybe four or five weeks ago town just? Just don't say. Football, your, Math Donna. The NFL's doctor did come and be like I. Don I respect you, but keep our name out of your mouth. We're going to handle this the way we wanNA hand and by the way I also want to school to learn about the medicine. and. This is my hey fat. You talk about your Shit. I'll talk about my shit. The NFL doctor said so. We maybe got little Dr Beef happened in which I don't think is bad I'm kind of tired of talking about the MLB EMO BPA beef, but I'll talk about hiring Dr Beef I'm okay with that. Isn't football the only sport where like you wouldn't be able to do the both thing? Like how many hotel rooms would you need for teams? Fifty three guys on there, not including coaches and. There's. Not Possible, he fought in Vegas. I'm just done with that stadium in Vegas looks unbelievable I did not expect them to put a pitch black stadium in the middle of the desert. They did it air. Conditioning costs are going to be next level, but that thing is beautiful out there. That LA RAMS IN LA. CHARGERS stadium I'm not sure that is done yet. But the two new stadiums in the NFL is big deal here for the NFL going forward is the The Las Vegas Raiders Stadium going to be done. That's already. Looking at that thing. That just passed a big test. Yesterday or something and the test was that you could walk in without getting in hidden ahead with a fucking screw dropping from seeing that happened with the colts Lukoil stadium. Did you know the story? No, so Lucas, oil stadium, it has the convertible top. Take the roof off at the at the Lucas Oil. If you take the roof off and put the window down right, so they made that because in Indiana weather literally change changes within five to ten minutes, you can have a clear sky beautiful day, and then boom out of nowhere tornado them bang snowstorm in because Indiana is so windy things just come and go. It's very flat, so had to be a dome. But whenever it's beautiful outside, it is gorgeous outside, so they wanted to be able to take the top off. Put the window down. See the city. That creates a wind tunnel. If you're a kicker punter in there, so it's not exactly a thrill, but it is smart. It makes a lot of sense so with the way. Indiana weather is the colts wanted in a pitched the rules committee. They wanted to be able to open the top out at halftime. If the weather had changed since the predictions of the beginning of the game, so if at the beginning of the game there was. Maybe a sixty percent chance of rain for the first hour. They would have it close, but then if that passes buying Indiana, which happens on a very regular basis, and it has one hundred percent no showers for the next five hours they wanted to colts wanted to be able to open the roof up at time and enjoy the Sky K. skies out. That's what they WANNA do. So they pass this rule. They had to go pitch it. It to the committee the first time the first time that the coach tried to do this the it was, it was a monumental day. I was there. I was warming up at halftime. While the things opening screw falls from the roof that was opening hits woman in Head coaching. She ends up going the hospital where I don't think she got an serious injury, but I assume there was some settlement that happened all of a sudden that. That rules thrown out by the way can open a roof if there's any humans in the stadium. Fuck and take a hike allows this one rule because I knew you can't do that. I know you can't do that now. So that's is that what started that? Yeah got opened up because of our weather being so unpredictable and fickle. They're like we'd like to be able to open it if it becomes nice instead of bad, they open it. It screw falls hits lady. She ends up in hospital. have to reject the rule. Take. It back can't do that. Anymore. Had No idea that do this. The tested allegiance stadium past was a super flush test today. Flush all fourteen hundred and thirty toilets and urinals at the same time as all things on smart gotTa. Make sure you have good water pressure in there, because if you're in the middle of the desert, what do you mean? Water. Hardest thing would be to get. Fourteen, fifteen hundred people together all lined up at all the bathrooms from same time. Right? Yeah I mean especially. It can maybe you think they can remote? We do it. It's a brand new stadium aren't. They probably do have some system that just flushes all the commodes and I'd be fucking with that, too. If I knew somebody was going into the drop, a large, John Hey pal. Let's get a courtesy. Flush got it from the top roping. Flush the toilet. Yeah, good for allegiance stadium. Getting put together. I didn't think that thing was going to be finished. Just like the Los Angeles when I didn't think that one was going to be finished. I think they're saying that's going to be done on time as well. It was it was touch and go for awhile I. Feel like so. Is that only soccer stadium? Not going to be used anymore. The chargers were using for the MLS used. Yeah, but now no NFL teams playing this year now i. don't know what you're doing. It's my name. Heavenly it's not your your birth name. Is Patrick Right? Touche. Touche Sharon Sharon. Made this, you know Sharon brand name. No they do have some fucking respect for Thomas William Sharon. Alley Dude. The forty is a real thing. AFL. Edge Rob's Garth Brooks loves Chris. Gaines just won't give the chance. Is it because they're from Australia Is that what it is? Why are you standing up? Because I would like to know? Is that what it is? Is it because they're from Australia? I WANNA. Let you know there are people, too. They're good people. By the way I've got a chance to talk to a lot. They're good people down under I know criminals in the prison. Thing you're probably preconceived. Notions of they're good. People Personality, Great Sport maybe have a little respect for age eight. I'm sure I have more Australian friends than you do. Now you don't. What are you talking about? Kicking punting community where a bunch of Australia you. Is that like? I have an Australian friend is that? I, don't. How. See that was. If you look this way, we could have full staredown right now if you want. Cause for me. It's not Makuto. You're losing. I can't I can't even turn my courts too short. YOU LOSE! So, scary, you mere gonNA take trip to Australia and you're GonNa Fall in love with the place, and it's going to be a real shame when you have to walk back. All of these condescending comments. You made about Agios football. I would love to have those pods though right on the plane. Pat For us need upon need apart by the way with this ball. You'd have to really give it. Good. Popper won't go has a different sweet spot than football slow. You can't just half ask you to go. More similar to a soccer now. Would you do tricks during warmups? Pat Like spinning the ball and. The other team. Would you do tricks and stuff with the ball in warm-ups Valya? Assert your dominance early on. I mean I would have to be confident. That I was worth a shared amongst every all the other guys who've been kicking this ball that entire life, but once I found out that I was okay. What I was doing? A show, it would become immediately be. believed. See later. I can't run anywhere near as much as though. You're far away. Yeah I guess. There is a position where you can Kinda Park it in the middle, and it just kind of comes to you, and then you just launch it into the box. That's what I'm I'm putting. Is there an enforcer position. You could be that guy. That's a lot of running though I think as you got to enforce. I'm more of a hang out guy limb, get hamble here and then let me just bomb this thing and doing I do believe that I could send this thing a quarter mile. I have not kicked this ball yet. This authentic game that they sent me this morning. I have not, but I think I could send his thing to three miles if it's soccer ball meets a football, it's like. It's perfect to kick. Today kick it like. Do they try to kick spirals? That's called a torpedo I. Guess is what they call it, they they they do have that in the game. There are guys that do it, but a lot of the Games I've watched. They've all done the end of her. Because it's easier to control, it's like a pooch. It's easier to control I. Guess He's a higher consistency level but I. I don't know why they don't just park it right at the middle of the fuck infield and just torpedo this thing through I mean it's. It's in goes I mean this thing goes did. Believe you. You to sport. Though I hate this show, it's done. Just the greatest I talk show. To. Own. With the boys. Who Hates Australia's? Thanks so it's Australia's. Can for this. Is. Back. SPAG AFFI. Slow. Walk. Sorry for interrupting this. Fabulous, conversely I mean. We were really talking to that. Oh Yeah Hey I was proud of what we were talking. Yeah, great stuff I mean you're not gonNA. Hear that anywhere else. I was like you know what those guys right there the way they're talking good, you know. Really, good with the ever increasing number of makes of cars you know. Fiat share Kia, yeah Hyundai Yup Honda jeep GM. Yeah, you know I Miss Chevrolet Chevy Ford Cadillac Bliss goes on and on Genesis. Eagle? Lincoln Saturn. 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Let's go back to the fundamental. Start of fear is a choice I would assume that. When you got diagnosed with cancer, there was a lot of things that ran through your head. How did you land on like the hey, fears this choice and his entire thing I'm going to get through it. I was actually saying with one of my best friends and before I did my press conference at it when everybody thought I was going to announce that I was headed to NFL draft before nausea, bad news on. Kinda sitting around, and he was like man. You know just like we were talking about. Things is like you know fears of choice saying you're definitely stuck and we sat down and the press conference. Not knowing that will be the title of a book someday, so the you know. The symbolism of is Kinda crazy how that came about in a? Title we chosen and I think it just obliged nowadays, it's natural to have fear, but then I think once after the fear. You can realize you know you gotTA. Option on how you'RE GONNA look at this thing your perspective. You know how how you're GONNA. React to it, and so that's kind of hard to talk about. How were you able to get back into football shape? I watched Chuck Pagano. Pagano obviously with chuck, strong battle through leukemia, and he came back I. Think it was like thirteen weeks later to a game, and his body had been through it like Chemo kicks your ass. The entire thing was there. was there always thought like? Hey? I'M GONNA. Get back into football shape. Were you like? Hey, the task at hand currently is the be cancers asking them. We'll worry about that later. Yes, Oh you know, I always have. My goal was to make the NFL you novelty so so driven, and that's what I wanted to do. And going into the first treatment united no House. My body was gonNA. React. I didn't know what to expect and after the first Chemo it'd be me up a little bit. I was down and I was extremely sauce, did but. But I still wanted to beat there for my teammates. Be a leader on that field and after the second one. I'm like okay. Tim More I can do ten more these things. It took a toll on me. You know I think that it on my faith, being strong and having a goal to achieve a mind it to a new level. It helped me get through. The summer workouts. Ten left. F. And that's a now granted. Obviously, cancer treatment is a lot different than running one tens in puking over. The field and stuff like that, but your story was when the captivated Pittsburgh everybody not only did they love. You is a football player. 'cause you're a beast, but now you're this resilient guy that represents Pittsburgh and a beautiful fashion. You end up on the Pittsburgh steelers. I mean it's almost like a perfect story book and the moment you find out you're going to. The steelers assume you've got your email up. EMC as well, I was down in Pittsburgh so. I mean that the whole thing coming together had to be a massive moment. May came out of it up. Man Just so thankful for this. The city I play college, ball and city law give my tribute ain't be cancer in now plan to that professional team man, the love Israel here in the city of I can make of it up. It's just so crazy. How play it out? You know from Erie Pennsylvania. That's right up the road right down the street and so for me to stay in his area. A Pittsburgh district became home and I. It's a lot of love your so many great relationships at the bottom it through my time near so. This is home I'll tell you I rip like four or five soccer, and that's up family I. Places the best. Literally right up the street areas. Let's talk about your time with the steelers. Whenever you got your chance to shine, it was coming right off the heels of the entire left bells, situation negotiation and everybody was kind of intrigued to see how you would handle this young running back. Obviously, bell was a friend of yours, but you've been able to Kinda. Step in and really become I. Don't WanNa say adult but like a vet in this entire thing early. Do you think potentially what you went through with cancer and everything like that kind of puts you in a good head space to become the guy in backroom? Question I think you know, and that's what the football does. Know teaches you responsibility, and and she had a you know be leader and stuff like that and I want to cancer at twenty one. You know so far. I think that that was just like in. My teammates had my back through through through it all you know not that they didn't have living saying just how how rallied around me? And it was like may He'd be cancer like this is a bonus. He just to have fun, and this is just. Extra, not you know like the hardest part is already kind of behind me so for me to to go through to cancer. And all that early on it prepared me for. Life after and you know definitely made me mature early and managed just you know teammates like I, said he rallied around me. Is Now the easy to step into the spotlight and just bog knowledge think I'm a good football player and I can ball, so it's going to continue to do that. Yeah, man, you're a pro bowl running pretty good. I think you know past I. Think I'm a pretty good football thing you know, but I gotta I gotTa I. Got You know I? Don't want more in a lot of game lifting? I had had the pro season and Schauffele lasted twenty nineteen, but with the injuries and stuff, but it's never going to be perfect, but I keep my head down key work in any, so that's why I said. Thank because I know I'm not got much more to give and I asked on the show That's beautiful. There's injuries right now. That just one six to midnight right there listening you speak about that the. Thought of being a running back. It real thing in back position is you're probably not gonNA Make Sixteen Games. That's just the nature of the beast as a running back. You're getting hit in much more even if it's blocking, you're taking a lot of contact. especially whenever entire defenses come after you, but it looks like you've transformed your body a little bit that post that say Thurs trap, but Sure that food flex of your back James. Look at this thing. What have you done? Have you completely change your workout schedule? Or is this normal and I just haven't seen it. No Knowledge, definitely It's definitely a lot of work. I put in when a quarantine I started I, said no I gotta come out of this thing. I'M GONNA, use this time to to get back to the basics I'm gonNA take a little bit of bricks from from weights and just give my body right with all body. Stuff's in and change my entire Diet I had time and and I have people around and I just wanted to strict that diet. In the gem by twice a week twice a day off the week and so You know what cancer was just no way room getting it. In one day took that shirt off his started flexing on. Your, you might have to run sideways through. That is one of he brought his backside. Ever Noaa says the way. The home. Ida question because it seems like coach Randy. has you running out of shock on a lot and I? It seems like you have a lot of success when you're going downhill. Maybe out of an I'd do you guys talk about that? And like the difference between your running styles, versus what maybe the plays have been called like maybe a shotgun to us by the way die hard. This is one of the biggest Pittsburgh steelers fans in history very pumped up. Yeah we definitely talk about it and so, but we you know. I it's definitely a group effort. You know we've been being back there like he likes to. You know being a shotgun as well so I mean. That's offense. I got I got a debt i. like a being in in. You know I am going down fast and I think we'll have a little bit of a Mishra. Both I'm going to do my part with staying staying on the field because I think I can make it work one out of the gun or underneath. Underneath. It's just on me this this they out there continue to make plays but we're talking about. We added some more pieces this off season This is wrong game going even more so We'll take the challenge head on minute. It'll be a big year for us. Pittsburgh steelers have always been a run team. I mean it's just the way it goes. Ben Rothlisberger can throw for five hundred six hundred yards, but the run is always something that's appreciated in the city of Pittsburgh. It's just the way it goes back. Drone is boom boom. You go all the way back to Bam Bam the whole thing, but now that ben is back I mean last year almost made the playoffs. No friends dot Org. She's one of our guys, but I mean through five Pixel one game there that we went through. That was like a playoff game, but the last year is team whenever make fitzpatrick gets brought in became like this okay? We got a squad now. Ben Rothlisberger ends up getting a baseball surgery, but he's coming back. There was a report this morning on profootballtalk. You said that the ball is whistling at her office burgers. What are those workouts? In what are the expectations for the team going into this year? They have to be very high out assume. Yeah. Well, don't we can't put it all together and get back where it should get back there at the team, but I mean seven comes back I mean it's kind of like roll again. He's our leader He. He's our starting quarterback with Super Bowl. You know so. We don't take that for granted. We can learn from him and he's going to lead the charge down away. When make it came through and it? Just actually we started bawling for defense in, and we won't put put together like defense that He'll be his second year with us in and. Got TJ water. And pieces oh well. The expectations are our detectives. steelers standard in every year in and out no matter who even last year when Ben Went Down Light East Coast he did a great job. Message, will we do we? We try to win and the goal is to to bring super bowls here. That's about so when we get our big number. Seven back in Lena shards underway. It'll be nice those workouts. We saw the video of him getting his haircut Shaving Mirror I see it through somebody else's account. 'cause he had blocked four years ago, but he unblocked me so I'm back James. I'm back. Which is good news? But those workouts whenever you get the call from him, it's like Hey, let's go throw. What was the the workouts? All like shorter balls to begin with, and then kind of rolled out to deeper things, or was he at the point already where he was ready to fly. The first time you guys back on the field together. In this just a little chat force, little group chat putting together. We met at the field, and we warmed up, and then as soon as you so good start letting them go, and the video only showed a little bit, but you know deep balls He? He's like he's back. Can I think he's okay with me. Saying those words because I know the work, he's putting in every day to to get his body back. Ready said he feels break so He organized it. Put it together. We met up. He did his thing. We all warmed up and he start leading to go so I'm excited I know what is what is Game Day? I know he's GonNa. Be backfired up again and we don't get it going. This dude is losing his mind over here and Disease Zoe excited. You have no idea. What was that? He has reasonably excited. You know we've got to have a healthy need back the Juju in July baby pieces to their so is reason for the height. You know, hey, jude. You said that he was going to change his body. This quarantine is well whenever you guys are out on that field. Does he look like he's the best ginger you've seen yet? Yeah, may He? He really on he, he was out in La Training and man the way he built his body up. You know he's going to be that beast for us that we need them to be and so but also young receivers coming up to man like the onset Johnson James Washington even. Play Pool Looking good I think we got. We had air. Eat Raw, so I mean I don't love that. Love that. What was your opinion on that I just? Love that he just thought it was potentially going to retire. And then all of a sudden. I see these videos where he's looking like he's in better shape than he's been last two years and so yeah, he's unbelievable. He's whenever you brought his ball and he is unbelievable. Yeah, I mean I know you went through. The injured ankle has. Mannequin with him. Even hidden every half hard and he's been training out there every day so even when he wants to make placement I know. We know he's capable of others, so we'll see how plays out. Is there any chance that you bring back the haircut that really just captured the entire world. We had a guy in our office. Nick also diehard Pittsburgh steeler Fan, he said. If James Goes for one hundred and two I'll be rocking this on Monday, Bingo Bango. For almost three touchdowns in seven hundred yards that game and he caught it in their immediately, he lost a bet to himself. But is there any chance we go back to this haircut? The little mollet with a couple hard parts crossed the top world. Okay, let me say that one that that clarity has retired I. don't know from everybody and now smarter. But I might. I might bring you know some length in the back. You know this is, shake it up, but as far as lines on top of that is definitely a one time thing, but I'm happy that he he stuck to his word though he probably didn't expect you do that. What I did all know? I had your back I. Believe you could. I was all four on? On my let's go so now. You GotTa give me a heads up with the next. One is so I can get a jump on it so I can be rocketing game day with you. See that and we didn't know if his hair was going to go back by the way after that cut a little thin up there, we. We did a little bit of an aggressive decision James. Fears a choice. The book is out. Now I can't wait to be able to introduce you as a New York. Times bestseller. Good luck with the promotion. Good luck with the season and keep going man. You may grow up retakes grab neon. What's the Tattoo on your right? Arm there on your bicep? That didn't make it into the book right there. It says any are at the end. Oh. It's GonNa Strong biceps, says last name. Conference strong ahead to? He. Ladies and gentlemen running back for the Pittsburgh steeler. He's about to get broken off after this next season run into his contract and and future New York Times bestseller from the University of Pittsburgh running back James Clark. Good Luck, man. All right all right. That was cool. fucking undertaker did? 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Best of The Herd: 02/13/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Best of The Herd: 02/13/2019

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox Sports radio. Here we go. It is a Wednesday. This is the heard live in Los Angeles. Wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. We're on iheartradio Fox Sports radio Sirius XM channel eighty three today. We're an F s to flip over good to have you in today. Joy Taylor is joining me joy. How are you this morning time gray running able to laugh L news joy, we'll hit on this morning about thirty minutes. Her line news little story today in the NFL. Joe? Flacco won a Super Bowl is an MVP sign a fat contract. Never quite the same is going to the Denver Broncos who have case keenum? That's never been John Elway guy. John L Y. I think is getting tired of drafting quarterback. He hasn't been great at that. He whiffed on Paxton Lynch. So John Elway said I'm gonna hire a old defensive guy to be my head coach, we can run the football. Very well, Denver always runs the football. While doesn't matter who the back is. And we just got a veteran strong armed quarterback. This is this is what John Elway wants his team to be an Elway hadn't had a lot of success in the draft draft. Quarterbacks. And so he's like listen, I'm going to get a veteran quarterback who's had success against good teams a winning playoff record Super Bowl MVP, not the most accurate thrower today. Not you know, he's got a little Cam Newton. I don't I don't trust flacco and Cam delivering the ball too tight windows, but a huge arm and they're going to run the ball because Dan rose does what Denver does and they're going to play their butts off defensively with Vic Fangio at defensive guy. And it'll be kinda boring football Fangio to have a big personality flag. Oh to no big personality. It's just going to be Denver Bronco football. This is what Denver played for years and years and years in the rocky mountains going back to Craig Morton, any frankly, even going back to John Elway. They ran the ball. That's what they wanted. We're bowls and they played the vents. And that's what they're going to be. And they're going to be better. How much better I don't know. But they're better today. Denver Broncos are a better football team today. I think with Vic Fangio coaching and Joe flacco quarterbacking and Baltimore is gonna get you know, they didn't have to give up anything. To get him. I mean, they're going to give up it says here amid round pick. If you're better at quarterback and all you have to give up a fourth round pick. That's good. That's a good day for Denver new coach new quarterback cannon arm. One on the road winning playoff record. Always went toe to toe with Brady and Foxborough flat. Goes not great not top twelve guy. But you're going to get my running game. And a defense you going games with Joe flacco, he's a much better armed talent than case keenum. And by the way, the ravens create clarity ravens are like, you know, what we're doing the Lamar Jackson thing. Let's not have flacco hovering around us it, by the way might might gut feeling on this is Baltimore goes out and acquires in bell. If you ask me today, we're lazy and bells gonna end up. My gut feeling I don't have any sourcing on this. This is just my gut lady and bells going to Baltimore and Baltimore's all in. They're going to be a sixty five to sixty percent run team play. Great defense veteran coach Lamar Jackson asked him to throw eighteen to twenty two times. He can make those throat and. A great thrower, but can make them. So I think Baltimore is going to go after lady and bell. And they just said today, here's our future inch Lamar Jackson. That's good for them. And then Denver's like we're gonna go defense veteran big on quarterback run the ball. Good for them. And that's where I think we are today. So I think I didn't Denver's better. I don't know if Baltimore's better, I know Baltimore created clarity in the locker room. It's Lamar Jackson's team. So Baltimore created that makes teams better. Usually, here's what we are. Even if you're limited Detroit Pistons we play defense. Remember, the bad, boys? We don't shoot as well as everybody we're not as artistic everybody. But we do what we do. Well, that's usually in sports. Good thing to do to Baltimore's lie. Here's organ do. We'll play defense and run the football even or quarterback runs. So I think it was good for both teams so crucial to designate mess college. You can do the flip flop thing you can't pros. I mean for us to like, thankfully, we don't have to go into the season's talking about a quarterback controversy. Right. If you have more than one quarterback. You have no quarter. The thing. I like about this. I gotta be honest about this. Here's what I like about. This is that I'm a fan of football. I just don't like teams that don't have a guy at quarterback. So Baltimore's said Lamar Jackson. I think Lamar's fascinating to watch. I've said this about Baker Mayfield is not one of the top ten quarterbacks. He's easily one of the top five most interesting to watch. Because there's first Nellie Baltimore now has a guy. And now Denver has a guy that I think they'll keep for years to three or four year. They got a guy football's better that way, you know, nothing's worse than when you have a guy like Ryan tannehill. And you know, Miami didn't truly believe in him. You know, they don't, you know, Denver doesn't truly believe in case keenum, you know, they don't. So I like teams to have a guide. I really believe. John Elway believes this morning. We go in we can win big games. We can go into Kansas City with a run game in a defense and a veteran code. We can beat moms. It'd be close, but we can never felt that with case keenum. You don't feel like Denver really has a shot to get into a shootout. So that makes me happy. For football. I think in general that's better we got clarity with the ravens. We got a big strong armed guy with Denver. It's good for the league is a good thing is a good thing. And that's what happens when all these young quarterbacks come from college to the prone compla-, you move out guys. Joe flacco about by the way used to be you gotta Joe flacco fifteen years. He never left now veteran quarterbacks are moving. It's fun. And it's a rare thing for a quarterback of Joe flacco 's county on the market the hasn't been playing great to be on the market. Yes. Right. Let me shift to this. I don't know if you watched last night the Lakers allow the Atlanta Hawks hawks are nineteen games under five hundred. They almost scored seventy points on the Lakers in the first half. What wait it mean that I was reading the newspaper a couple of days ago that win over Boston? It was going to save the season. And that's what all the NBA media guys told me think proclaimed Rondo shot against the Celtics guy at changes every day. Like Jada Jappie. Now, they got beat by the crappy hawks and blown up the Sixers folks, but the ball bombs down report not support media members. Once every Laker was mentioned as trade bait you poison the locker room, they're not going to recover, and Luke Walton is toast. That's what we said. That's what I believe. And now three games in post trade deadline. This is what you have the Lakers have eight days off. And you're going to see a big push now to get rid of Luke Walton? Lebron and Luke Walton have no relationship. Magic Johnson didn't hire him. I don't think he's a great coach. I don't think he's terrible. I think is substitution patterns border on random at best inconsistent at worse bizarre in random, but I will just remind you football is the coaching sport. Basketball is the player sport is Brad Stevens a good coach. Yes, he's currently a fifth seed in the east is Gregg Popovich a good coach. Yeah. Seven seed is Erik Spoelstra. Good coach. Yes. He is ninth. Seed is Rick Carlisle good, coach coaches think he's brilliant. He's an eleven seed. Okay. This is a players league. You wanna know Dwane Casey one coach of the year in the NBA. Do you know where he picked up his award an applebees across the street because they fired him. They couldn't get the award in the building. He was across the street have lunch because they kicked him out of the building that's doing Casey coach of the year. So if you're asking me. Who the most talented teams in the NBA? Are I was thinking about this this morning? If you said who are the one of the most talented racers in the NBA, I'd say Golden State number one. Let's not even argue about that. Then you can argue about stuff I'd say Houston second if Chris Paul's healthy and James harden and Clint Capelle, and Eric Gordon, I take Houston's the second best roster. Not as quite as good as last year. But number two, Oklahoma City. I've got Westbrook. I got the MVP Paul George. I got Stephen Adams. And I would give them a narrow narrow edge over Philadelphia because Jimmy Butler Symington Embiid. I'm not sure I don't know about the chemistry. I like the players. I put Philadelphia four Tobias Harris. That's a really good roster. I just don't think yet they're chemistry's quite as good as a Houston. I'd put Boston five Toronto with Marc Gasol. I may be underselling him at six Milwaukee Middleton Jaanus. I put him at seven good. That's the that's the seven rosters. I don't have the Lakers. Eight. I think you can start arguing on the Lakers behalf from eight to about sixteen and I'm not so sure they're not closer to sixteen the nine or eight and LeBron twists his ankle. There are sixteenth. So congrats on fire in Luke Walton? That's not the issue. Lebron does create this is not a criticism. It is a reality. If I if I yelled at my son forgetting dean math that is not a criticism that is a reality. If he gets it. Lebron does create an urgency in a stress and at times an unrealistic expectation on a franchise that you have to win now and people have to leave and draft picks have to go to win. Now. That's the stress that LeBron creates I'm not it's not a criticism. It's a reality. I've seen it multiple times. But I will just say this did Luke Walton hurt LeBron's growing because they were the four seed before that did Luke Walton hurt Lonzo ball who got her to get. Oh, he didn't. He didn't do those two. Did he leak all the stories that? In the locker room. No, Luke, Walton didn't do that either. Okay. So never forget pre LeBron's injury. Lakers were the fourth seed in the west the chemistry was getting better there. Only two and a half games out of the playoffs. Now. But go ahead. Take a wrecking ball to blow up the coaching staff. Go for it. That's not the answer. Lebron creates an expectation that puts stress on a franchise now, he is probably the first second third best basketball player I've seen, but that's a reality with LeBron. And so let's blow out Luke Walton is not the problem. Let's trade a bunch of players and get AD. I'm not sure that's going to be great. I think it'd be good. I don't think it would be great. I've seen LeBron with Biggs before. So it looks like eight days off loss to Atlanta almost gave up seventy in the first half to a bad NBA team that I'm not even sure is trying to win. I think they're on the sign Williamson interest sweepstakes as well. But that's the world we live in. I never bought into that ridiculous notion that the win over the Celtics meant anything. I I told you I last Friday off I opened up the internet, and they're all these stories about they can play with anybody say the unbelievable biblical proportions. We just wanted to feel good about the Lakers. Couple seconds long. First half of the. Range so much this winter people need sunshine. We just we just wanted to smile. Little bit one more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you lie don't confuse this is this is a good rule. Sometimes in parenting. I make this mistake. Sometimes don't confuse an opportunity for a problem. Sometimes as a parent. I get upset. I see something and I want to lecture and instead, I think. Now, let's not particularly be this teaching moment. This is a teaching moment. People used to call my radio show. And I'd take calls. What am I going to tell my kids? And I always said, I don't know that your kids you had them. That's your responsibility to teaching moment people whenever there was a controversy in sports. My kids are watching these games. What what am I going to tell my kids? I don't know. I don't even know their names. They're your kids. Okay. It's a teaching moment don't confuse Antonio Brown. Wanting to be traded for a problem. It is not particularly this is a moment for an opportunity. First of all, Pittsburgh standards are really high the Cleveland Browns last year went seven eight and one and they're throwing a parade. The Steelers went nine six and one and they're pissed because the standards are much higher. Players. After five or six years. You got a ton out of an Tonio Brown now at thirty one flippin for a pick opportunity you bought low six round sell. Hi, this is not a problem lady in bell getting nothing for him that I don't like that stings. But in Tonio Brown thing, what this way say it out loud. If I said to you. Hey, there's this NFL team that foulness player in the six round. They paint him nothing for like three years. Nothing. He ended up getting eleven thousand yards and seventy four touchdowns. They pay them. Nothing. Hey fire to pay him a little now, he's thirty one wide receivers post thirty generally start to fade. And we were able to then flip him and get a really good pick. Oh, but what do you do it receiver? Oh, we already got one. We do the receiver thing really well juju Smith Schuster. We do the receiver thing. Really? Well, folks, here's what I know. St- life real estate sports, Wall Street Bilo, sell high winds everywhere you buy the property low fix it up sell at high six round eleven thousand yards seventy four TD's sold all sorts of jerseys. And now you're gonna flip him at thirty one. Because you've got another receiver. You don't have to pay as much. That's a problem. That's an opportunity. All these wide receivers for the Steelers seem to leave Mike Wallace left Plaxico left. Emmanuel sanders. Left's Antonio homes left Martavis Bryant left they all leave and they all get replaced when it comes to the Chicago Bears in linebackers. They do it. Right. When it comes to the Denver Broncos running backs. They do it. Right. The Broncos have had ten different running backs run for thousand yards when it comes to the New England Patriots in offensive lineman. They just find him David Andrews in all pro center. He didn't get drafted. Did you ever watch shack? Mason of college. They take other people's bad offensive lineman overrated, guys moving to left tackle and their great. And when it comes to the Steelers in wide receiver. They do that position. Really? Well, like the Broncos do running back in the bears. Do linebacker in the patriots offense line. Maybe it's a coach. Maybe it's a scout. I don't know. But you know, Antonio Brown leaving is not a dilemma, it'd be a dilemma for Cleveland. It'd be a dilemma for Jacksonville. It's not a dilemma for Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity. It's an opportunity you gotta receiver. You got a quarterback. You gotta get online. You got an emerging linebacking core. And you're gonna flip him and get a really good pick, which you've proven you draft. Really really well last year once again, you appear to have had a really good draft don't confuse what you perceive as a massive roadblock to simply be parenting or football at opportunity be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Everyone. I'm Dr ause. I love getting to talk with you on my show every single day when the cameras stopped rolling the conversation isn't over where decided to start a podcast in order to dive deeper into the issues, and ideas that I love sharing with you. It's health, unfiltered, my wife, Lisa will be joining me together. We're taking wellness to the next level and having a little fun along the way, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Gonna be a hall of Famer thirteen years eleven time all star best high school player in Texas than he was a great college player. Then he was an all star dominant player in Toronto. Then he went to Miami and won a bunch of rings. Good, dude. Chris Bosh joining us in the her today. Great to crush who. Now picks up a basketball only with his kids. Listen, you dealt with those blood clot issues that are serious. And in the good news is you or establish yourself as a hall of flame lie. This wasn't like year six where you would have left dreams on the table. How did L how'd you reconcile all of it? You had basketball left. But dude you'd given the game at ton. And you high-school college pro rings? You did a lot looking back on it. Do a lot at. I'm very blessed to be able to have those opportunities and then deliver. But yeah, I mean it didn't make an easy decision. Still had to consult with my family. I had to be a front and honest about myself, just you know, remember that his heart the decision to make. And I I wanted to play more basketball as, you know, quite frankly as what I wanted to do. Yeah. I've given my life to it. And there were still things, you know, being selfish that I wanted to accomplish in the league, you know? Yeah. But it should be noted it when you were nine years old if somebody would have said, you're going to be the best high school player in Texas. You gonna be a final four guy you're going to be two rings if they had a snag final four. You didn't get today went to the final four after I left. So they got better without me. Always joke about. Had a hell of a career and your widely respected in the league. Let me ask you about this. And this is not a criticism of LeBron. But LeBron comes into a team. Everybody's got this thing that Antonio Anthony. Davis gonna come as all going to be good. And I keep saying this. Lebron has always been good plan was shooters. But I saw you. I saw Kevin love it is tougher with LeBron. He doesn't want you hanging around the rim because he wants clearly open. He wants it open. Right. So, hey, Chris go stand over there. Now. Good news is you're a great shooter. Hey, Kevin go stand over there. Anthony davis. Isn't you as a shooter? I don't I don't know. Chris if that's a home run is it. Well, I mean, it's a home run because Anthony Davis is Anthony Davis. He's pretty good. Yeah. And I tell people this all the time. He was the first player that I knew I couldn't guard him. I don't know if he knew that. So I said, okay. Let me let me get whatever. I cannot this leave before this guy figures it out. He's a great player. He's a phenomenal talent with talent. Like that. You figure it out. And that's kind of always been I guess my philosophy and moving in the things you can worry about it later. We, you know, Disney shooters does he not new shooters? Does he need to change his game as he gets older? I don't know. But he's pretty good. And he's pretty good. If they're on the team, no figure it out. Well, d- Wade in LeBron. If you look at their games were never a perfect fit. Yeah. They were almost LeBron was a bigger D Wade, which is attack the basket they worked to a large degree delayed probably plays bigger than any six four guy ever one hundred Braun can be a point guard at six nine and a half. So he can shrink if he wants to. So to your point talents talent could I could I offer this though that and this is the way it is. If I had a great singing voice, I'm the late Whitney. Houston. Yeah. You're my singing coach. There are times. I'm actually tougher to coach under percent. Of course, the more tat. Lebron is so gifted the Swiss army knife does everything well that he is harder to coach he was hard for Eric. He's hard for Luke. He was hard for black that there's a stress that LeBron creates in the coaching staff. What do you do if you have a biblical talent all best? That's if you can answer that I think they'll give you a coaching job tomorrow. You know, that's just one of the things. I mean, my Jordan Kobe Bryant Shaquille O'Neal these were once in a generational talents. And what was the verdict on their coach ability throughout a career? You know, they're always going to be, you know. Rumblings that they're difficult as just you know, what it takes to be a great player. And being a great player. You have to push yourself. You've got to push people and to be quite Frank. Nobody likes to be pushed all the time. You know what I mean? So if you're not agreeing with something, and there's some sort attention is going to be tension. Sometimes you know, what I mean? That's just a part of things I've said before I think the Miami teams are the smartest teams in league history incredibly high functioning, you donnas, hassle them Batty. Wade you LeBron Ray Allen. It's the smartest team ever assembled. I don't think it's the most gifted you didn't have a ton of size the bench was inconsistent. Mario chalmers. Drove me crazy. But but it's the highest functioning team surreally in my life. And I do believe that LeBron works better with veterans because he's talented people don't want to be mentors. They want you to figure it out. So he loved you guys. Is it fair to say that Los Angeles with some quirky one year deals and kids? Do it may not be a perfect DNA fit for him. Look is the first year, you know. Even me looking at it. I knew that they weren't going to be a super really good team. They have a chance to be good. But looking at the makeup the guys have to develop they don't know that there's a whole other level to the NBA when you bring a superstar into L A out of all places. I mean, those going to be an atomic bomb that goes off, and they haven't been able to really keep up with it. You can't you know, they're pretty much learning their job on the fly. So with the young guys there's going to be tremendous swings and ups and downs. You just have to learn about being consistent. And that's what it is about the NBA and you have to deal with the spotlight. You know, you're in the limelight. Now, this is what happens in the limelight is kinda wack when you find out, but it all comes down to the basketball court at the end of the day. So they have to do their job does Lonzo LeBron fit to you? They're they need the ball. Yeah. I mean, but you know, Alonzo so unselfish, you know, he's. You can tell just getting on the court. He'll he's like the classic point guard where if you pass to him he just kicks it up up to court. I mean, you have to tell him to be a little bit more selfish. So I think he still has more surfaces of his game that he hasn't even thought of exposed yet when you played with LeBron it was four years you were a rock tour. You were you to in their prime. I mean, you you are the stones. Yeah. Is it emotionally daunting being on a LeBron team? What what is it is it different? I mean, you no that's what I mean by that is differences spotlight. And I think when did you first notice it in Miami the minute I signed. The day the day same day and in member of the next day the decision happened. And so then it just really went in the next day. We you did that a nice parade. I tell people all the time. Like, we didn't people didn't like like, well, you didn't plan that it wasn't like an I mean, it was awesome come on. They had smoke and pyrotechnics and everybody we it was twenty thousand people with no basketball game going on. It was like the play offs. It was crazy. I had a great time. Everybody had a great time. You know, everybody. Oh now, Sal looking in not so much. Listen. Listen, join I Joyce spent time in Miami. I love Miami. And I can remember going to games there. And I've always felt sports is better with good stories. It was a fascinating story. In fact, if you remember the first couple years you guys were villains. I think by then I think kind of people joined in when you won and everybody saw the joy of LeBron. But it's like, it's kind of fun. But it's kind of fun. But the first year you were a villain. I mean, it's kind of like the warriors twos. Like, you know when Katie goes. You look at it with like men that looks fun K D dishes to Steph like, oh that was a great pass is right on the number. Steph makes it they're just so unselfish moving the ball. Eventually when you see someone just out there expressing themselves in and having fun and planted team sport, you can't help. But but be a part of it, by the way to Miami Heat are appropriately going to retire your jersey on March twenty six that's home game against Atlanta. You know, we were talking about, you know, by is the aqua water, Pat Riley, D Wade, then all the sudden here comes Chris Bosh, Shane Batty. Lebron James, and it all came together. Tell me something about the NBA that fans listening. You know, I I say this all the time. Chris is that everybody wants to say, you guys make a bunch of money, and I say canoe imagine if tomorrow, my company traded me to the Bravo network, right? And. Move my family, right? Like, take my audience a little insight. I know everybody looks at NBA players as rich. But this league does wear you out. I watched LeBron sometimes, and I can sense through body language. He's been doing this Chris for sixteen years for sure do you use? Do you? Do you sense? Where is LeBron? Do you think? Now is it somewhat business? Is it the mogul stage? Yeah. I mean, I think we've been in the mogul stage for a while. And those are thoughts that the modern athlete now is thinking about you know, and he's definitely one of the pioneers of that. You know after seeing Michael Jordan be a successful business person. And in Mike Magic Johnson amongst other NBA greats. You know, them moving on with their lives. You know? Now, we're understanding the position that we're in and you have to do both at the same time you have to do that. And try to deliver on the core. Because if you don't deliver on the court the product is no good. I try you know, what I mean? That's just how it is. So it's it's it's a delicate balance that you have to figure out, but if you have opportunities to play in the NBA and use your platform for great things, then you know, by all means do it. I don't think it's all the way business, but businesses definitely way more into it. Like, you say Gaza get traded like Tyler Johnson, great friend of mine. You know, it is the business. He's on the road. You know, they're already on the west coast trip. He gets traded. My wife asked me what does he do as well? He has he has forty eight hours to report to Phoenix. You know, point client. Delta Airlines it them. Get the semi bags. Hopefully, they packed everything. And you know, I'll get the rest of my stuff in the summer as how it is. Yeah. You don't miss that part of it. No. I don't miss it. Man. I mean is is is road life. And that's one of the things that kinda helped me in my decision. My kids, you know, they is everything is cool now because you know, Mabel, you know to work, but I come right back. You know on on on those trips men, they just you know, especially being Miami. You're going up during the cold weather, and you know, it's Arctic blast going on in his five below. You got aqua water. Yeah. You know what? I mean, you get out the pool, and then, you know, next thing, you know, you're freezing. So it's just it's a tough dynamic to handle when you're living on the road. Then you had a great career, you you're you're a man with options you could get into broadcasting. You could go into the front office. You could do a lot of stuff. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to keep those things in mind as I Bill for the future. But you know, I've got some things coming. You know, I definitely want to be involved with basketball continue, you know, to do media stuff is fun. This. This is fun, man. This I've worked at other places. This place is good. Yeah. I'm just telling you. I'm not gonna get into particular names. You know, the LeBron is recruiting this. That's. Magic magic magic almost gun -tro- for tampering. I'm tampering right now. Talent. Like, of course, as Tampere Tampere to we've trying to win a championship. We need players. Did you wanna come come on when a championship? That's the only way things get done. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. One of the smartest guys I've ever worked with in my life. He would talk. I would listen he was a six time NFL executive of the year Colt panther Bill GM. I mean, just built everywhere he went he just built up. Football rosters won a Super Bowl, obviously with the colts. And he's one of the co founders of the American lions football, the af which I watched this past weekend on CBS, and I said on the air, I think one or both of these new leagues are going to work. I think it's a new time. I think there's a lot of different reasons from legalize sports gambling to these are not adversarial relationship with the NFL. I think there's a lot of football town America. And I, and I frankly think you're going to have big marketing brands CBS is going to be behind this league at a big company. And again, I don't think the NFL they're not there to spring football league. There's there's three three sports networks. We're all looking for content, folks. We're all dying. The only thing that works on television anymore. Live is live sports and some politics. So I think this stuff's going to work do they both work. I don't know. But af got a year head start and Bill Polian. His joining me first of all Bill. I love talking to you. I love that you now are able to come on my show. What what was the Genesis the beginning when you said to your? Itself. Listen, I'm gonna give this a run. I think this can work. What were the what were the reasons behind your move into this? Well, as you know, Colin I've been talking about this for some time because I'm hearing from my friends in the NFL we need a developmental league. We needed developmental league. We need a place develop coaches and players and scouts and referees. And so on we need a place to train minorities. So they can get on the offensive side of the ball and become offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches and and get on a career path that leads to a head coaching job. So that's been out there for a long long time. And when I met with Charlie ever solo, and he laid the plan out for me, you know, he said to me, you think this can work. I said yes it can. None of it's going to be perfect right out of the box. But the idea is sound the approaches. Sound and the key to the approach was that a we're not in competition with the NFL. In fact, we're trying to augment the NFL, and we're trying to reach football fans who really wanna watch football and don't wanna go dark after the Super Bowl. And Secondly, we're going to run a league that is all football, the slogan, we've used it's a a mantra really that we're living by is real football for real football fans by real football people. We've got all NFL people doing this. We've got people with tons and tons of experience, we've got coaches who have and it fell experience extensive NFL experience. And and so we're putting the game on the field that looks and feels and sounds like the NFL minus, of course, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and people like that. Let's give so Bill would the NFL because I think this league will be elevated more quickly if the quarterback play solid if I one of the games, I watched I'm like, oh, these guys are slinging it around their spinning around this is real football. So obviously good quarterback. Plays more fun to watch. It looks like real football. Is there a possibility at some point? You could go to the NFL and say listen you gotta third quarterback. Once you let us play in our league, you can watch him. It's like being on an L. It's it's it's certainly as good as your scout teams. What about the idea of using occasional third quarterbacks on NFL teams? Would they consider that? Do you think? Well, we've talked about it in general. They can't consider it because it's tied up with the union and the CBA because you can't send players down as you can in major league baseball in D league. Is that an objective? Of course. It is. Absolutely. Yeah. And and there are many players, by the way who did not sign futures contracts at the end of the year on the practice squad and chose to come and play with us number one because it pays a little bit better in number two because they'll be finished with us. But by the time, it's time to go back to OTA's but back to the quarterback issue. Absolutely. We'd love to have that. And that's a goal, but it's not achievable. Just yet. Meanwhile, we're developing our own guys who are throwing it around pretty. Sure. No, no question. You know? It's funny about you know, I was talking yesterday. I said as a parent Bill my life in my my mom parenting. The same values and principles today that one hundred years ago love your kid be their forum. Don't worry about being cool. Do your homework. I always tell my kids when you get home from school go to bed early get up early little exercise little travel, blah, blah, blah, all the basic principles. But over time that gets more complicated with social media. All these technologies will the same thing in football. Is that football? It was still Tom Brady and Jared Goff who could not run a barstool in the Super Bowl. And I'm seeing all Mitch Trubisky running around Lamarque and run around and Cuyler Murray's five eight and a half. In part of me Bill is like time out time out. What am I supposed to make a Keiler Murray now in your league home run, but the NFL are billion dollar franchises? What do I make? What is the standard five eight and a half five nine? Is there a line? You would not be comfortable if you're in an NFL team with a quarterback size. Sure. Yeah. Anytime you're below six feet. It's it's worrisome anytime, you're below nine and three quarters enhanced size. It's worrisome. So that person has to be an exception. So you sit there and you say to yourself, okay? Is this guy and exception? Does he have the arm strength? Does he have the athletic ability? Does he have the strength the girth in his body to withstand the kinds of blows? He's gonna take in the NFL all of that adds up to is a drew Brees. You know is he the guy in Seattle? That's the question that everyone ask because they're the exceptions Bill Parcells. I'm sure told you, and and I know told me if you if you start building with exceptions you'll end up with a team full of exceptions. He's exactly right. But but there are exceptions. And as the game goes to three and a third yards wide, which is brand new. This is something that's new in in this century, really. And and almost since two thousand ten you you there's more room for smaller people. That's well, put the dimensions of change. So the dimensions of quarterbacks on the need. There has changed. One more NFL question Antonio Brown. Great talent Bill. You're one of the people that taught me that there you had to look at age you had to look at hand size. You had to look at the length of tackles arms compared to a guards are everything matters. And I look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. And people think Antonio Brown's a problem, and I see it as an opportunity Bill six round player ends up giving them eleven thousand yards. He's now thirty one him for a pick by low sell high got a ton out of him. Steelers drafted position very well. Bill to have for twenty years. They got juju Smith Schuster. I don't see it as a massive problem with an Tonio Brown you graft in the six get a ton of production. He's thirty one move him you as a GM, do you worry about the blowback that you lose his star? How will it work in the locker room? He how do you give me both sides the GM losing? Star and perhaps acquiring one. That's hard to deal with. Well, I'll give you three three scenarios. One is keep him and deal with him. And and work with him because he is such a great player, and he probably has since he's absolutely elite. You know few more good seasons in them. That's number one. Number two. I if you deal him you deal and number three, what is the blowback? Well, the blowback is in the media in the fans, but if you make a wise choice, then you'll you'll be okay in the long run. In the short run, you'll you'll have indigestion and the headaches as the GM, but in the long run it'll prove to be successful. If you've made the right choice. Did you ever struggle with moving a player if you ever worry about blowback every your three stops? No, not really not your personality. It's not my personality. That's exactly right. I wanna go back. I wanna go back to the af. So there's going to be another league in the year. The XFL is that competition is it friendly. How do you view that? Because I think one of these leagues is gonna work. I think it's possible both work, frankly, I think the appetites fairly insatiable in America football. But how are you going to look because you're not competing with the NFL? But do you see the XFL as one of your lives? One of you dies. How do you view a new league? Well, number one, we're in business. The XFL is is talking, you know. You know, there's no football players on the field. There are no football players signed. So there's nothing that we can look at and say, this is the X, or why was he more importantly the thing? We have to do is get the best product we can on the field week to week in the stadium on television. And let the chips fall where they may the best thing we can do to help our brand is to grow it as quickly and as as aesthetically pleasing Lee as we can that's that's the answer in the end don't worry about as Tony gender used to say do what we do. Don't worry about anybody else. Finally, Bill Polian. Joining us former cult panther Bill GM, the af the American lions football. What do you make of what you watched in that Super Bowl? What do you make of this dynasty? It doesn't even make sense right Bill. It's just doesn't work that way. You don't have twenty years of greatness. What are you just make? If I if I if nobody ever if a novice came up and said Bill Polian. Explain what we're seeing with the patriots. How do you explain it? Well, there's two parts to it the first getting there, and that you know, you have to be a little bit lucky. You have to play in a division that's down which they do. You know, you have to be in a situation where the the ball bounces your way, which it has in the last two championship games. That's one thing. Now when you get there if I picked one coach, and I've been around coach Shula and coach Levy and coach Walsh. And you know, co all of the great ones if I had to pick one coach. Who had two weeks to prepare? It ain't close. It's Bill Belichick by a wide margin. Yeah. So when you get there forget about it. Is he has two weeks to prepare? It's over man, you you you better have four weeks to prepare. There is nobody better at dissecting and opponent's weaknesses negating, their their straights. Disguising his weaknesses and managing a game. In a way that puts you at a disadvantage than Bill Belichick no-one no-one in the game today and probably less than a handful in history. So that's your answer. It's really it really is amazing. It is fascinating. You know? He had a unique childhood experiences. Dad was on the forefront of scouting. So he was around football and his mom spoke seven languages. So there's an academic intensity to bills life. And I'd Sean McVeigh's got some of that as well. If you look at his childhood, he does, of course. Yeah. So I think sometimes it's like the Malcolm glad well ten thousand hour rule. You know, Wayne Gretzky was just better early and more committed early and. Sometimes it's a break from the parenting to the environment. But I I agree with you. I bel- check. I'm I'm fascinated by his intellect by how he sees the world. And you know, the underrated part of that stuff Bill. He's had the same running back. Coach Dante, scar Nekia mcdaniels there in a more mobile society. We're all these coaches are moving around. He's got about four guys he can lean on. And I think that's a big factor. And all this that is a huge factor. That is a huge factor. That's exactly right. He can lose any number of guys on defense the guys on offense. But you mentioned they're hard to replace Bill Polian. Af congrats good luck. I think it's gonna work and we'll talk soon. Okay, buddy. Thank you. It's the Ron burgundy podcast. It's the Ron burgundy podcast. Guess what? I got up, and you don't guess what? I got up podcast, and you don't Ron burgundy. Puck cast. This is Ron burgundy reminding you to tune into my new podcast brought to you by Sharman toilet paper, the best in the biz. It's made by some good guys for some good trips to Duesseldorf, if you know what I mean, go to the store and pick up a role, you can't mess. 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RTFP #998: Andrew Brandt

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I'm sure you have your reasons, and I'll just keep picking winners of the people that actually do re tweet us at Ross Tucker NFL or at RTF Todd cast or just do the like on Facebook Facebook dot com slash Ross, Tucker and L it's a Wednesday, which means Andrew brand. And how about? This week. Are you kidding me? Af Kyle Murray Kareem hunt just three of the headliners that we have to talk with our dude Andrew about it's the big show. Andrew a million things to talk about as always I do want to start though with the af over the weekend, which kind of gotten overshadowed now by the Calum Murray news, the Kareem hunt news, but I'll give you a blank slate on the af especially since you had that awesome interview last week on the business of sports podcast with Charlie Ebersol, one of the co founders of the league. Yeah. Thanks for us and good day. And I encourage right off the bat. I appreciate it. Let people listen to this podcast with the founder, our should say co founder along with Bill Polian of the alliance for American football. That debuted last week. He really went into trying to differentiate it from the NFL, especially really from the XFL of the past and the XFL of the future. More like true football with some innovations that could help it. He goes into the funding a lot from Silicon Valley, and then a lot of NFL connections. As everyone knows with Bill Polian with Mike Martz, Steve Spurrier trying to make it quote, unquote, real football. But it's a fascinating interview. And I guess I like you and everyone listening was pleased surprised and noted all the positive reaction on social media, especially Saturday night filling avoid for football that we missed after the Super Bowl. I know ratings were down on some. Monday night. But it does seem to have a nice reaction. The question is everyone knows is will at last will it be sustainable. I don't think it'll outright Saturday night basketball of major teams in the NBA on a regular basis. But I think it will do well enough. And the point that I got which arly is that there's a ton of investment here. And you know, you have investors like, my friend Justin tuck, the former New York giant who's now working on Wall Street. You have a lot of corporate investment the churn group, which owns barstool, sports and other media properties. And you have a lot of tech investment. You have a lot of Silicon Valley investments. So it has legs because it has money. And I think the key to any league that's not the NFL is managing financial expectations. So players are all making seventy thousand this year eighty thousand next year. And one hundred thousand year three if they've course there is year three, and we'll see what happens there's free rein to go back and forth with the NFL. There's no free rein to go back and forth anywhere else. And that of course, brings up the XFL coming online next year. But this, and I guess my final comment is you have to be skeptical of any football league. That's not at the NFL. There's no question. But this seems to have legs at least this year. That would be one of my questions, it'd be all these people invested a lot of really smart people. I guess I'm curious as to what you think they saw on terms of it being a good investment. Yeah. I mean, if you're an investor, and I know a lot of people listened, especially to my podcast or in finance and corporate finance. You're looking at okay who they got right? You're looking at the people and the ever Saul name is royalty in sports media. Then you're looking at Bill Polian royalty in NFL circles. Then you're looking at coaches like March and Spurrier new Heisel. Okay credibility. So that's sort of behind the investment and the cell is really look speculations on salary. And I'm sure you know, spreadsheets are out there. You know, we pay seventy thousand that's the number. We came to where we could be profitable and still get players. With some value. I think the question everyone has and maybe a month. -ticipant your next question is can they get names? And we saw Trent Richardson we cross Christian hackenberg. That's probably as big names as you're going to get. Washouts that were big names in the NFL. I don't think you're going to get players coming out of college that would turn their back on the NFL even low round ticks. That's just not going to happen. So that's going to be the real challenge. And obviously they're gonna have to make some stars on their own. What what about some of the rules? I feel like if nothing else it's a good testing ground. And I even looked at and said, even just, you know, having the replay official have the microphone and the camera on them, man. It feels to me like it would almost be tough at this point in drew for the NFL to not have that kind of transparency. Now that another league is proving that you can't. Yeah. I mean, these are things that are going to too strong a word but shame the NFL with transparency on replay. Gosh, getting great reaction as it should because I say this phrase all the time, it's not one of my Troy ter- 'isms, but transparency breeds trust. And the more transparent the more trust. This is a problem. We've had in the NFL with Roger Goodell sometimes lack of transparency so this will. Go along way the other thing that will go long way and Creech this all the time the younger generation is not going to sit through three and a half hours anymore. And this product is closer to two and a half hours. I know people say, well, they gotta get in all the commercials and the ads. Yeah. Well, let's figure out a way the NFL figure out a way soccer does it. So I just think this is something the NFL has a look now on the negative side. Ross it seemed like the officials are letting them play which is fine. But then there's the safety part. I saw some hits that would totally have been flagged in the NFL. And yes, those flags would cause delays, and blah, blah, blah. But safety didn't seem to be the number one priority in the way, the games were called, and I know our friend. Chris Nowinski noted this on Twitter few times too. So that to me is something we gotta watch. Obviously some other big topics. Let's dive into Kyle Murray who on Monday afternoon, put out a social media post that he is fully and totally committed to being an NFL quarterback. Andrew. Yeah. He's made the choice. And you know, I think we have to know. A couple of things if I'm him and his advisors, and we know to design with our Burkhardt NFL agent who represented Brad shove last year fifth pick. I know Eric well and future podcasts coming Eric said. He can't come on this week. But it'll be on soon. So he must get some really good info good Intel about being picked high draft. I don't know if that means top five top ten to fifteen, but I think he's got good Intel on that number two. And it's been noted by a lot of people out there the as are given up. Right. So baseball is not saying, okay. We're good good luck in football. And that creates an enormous amount of leverage for this kid because if he's got the as in his back pocket after saying I'm committed to football. Wow. You know? So I I don't know what that means. I mean, he's limited what it can get in football by the rookie pool. But gee, it's nice to have that. Now. I know he told baseball is committed them. But so what you know. He's he's got the leverage of very few people in the history of sports and talk about Dion Sanders and Bo Jackson. He's right there. Yeah. I didn't realize 'til recently that he'd evidently sent a letter to all the major league baseball team saying he would be one hundred percent committed to baseball if they took him in the first round. And all I could think about Andrew was how much the NFL teams are going to grill him about that letter at the combine to. Yeah. And I know burkhart will get them prepared for that. I mean, it's you know, he'll get the grilling and you and I saw him at the Super Bowl. I mean, I didn't seem physically, but these interviews with Dan Patrick awkward. He didn't know what to say. You know, it was there for Gatorade. But now he can say come into football. And of course, he's going to have to have answers. But in the end the talent rules now, I'm not your I'm not that guy. I'm not the scout. But and I could say what everyone says he looks kind of small, but if scouts are saying top ten top five, I mean, gosh. Yeah. I mean being of quarterback in the NFL for long term career. That's is good as gets moneywise. Gotta move onto Kareem hunt. Andrew, and there's a lot there the Browns signing him on Monday kind of came out of left field that you know, it wasn't. Nobody really hurt any whispers about it. There was no rumors. There was no report is just the Browns. Just boom. We have signed Kareem hunt. Yeah. Yeah. And that's my longtime associate John Dorsey and his crew up there. No, they're getting grilled about it. You know, and they're talking about due diligence and people are getting on them for not talking to the victim. Listen. I just think we have to be adults here talent roles. We just talked about Murray. No matter what he said to baseball or football. The talent is too too much to pass up this guy. You get a talented player for low risk money. And I'm sure he had offers. We heard about the bears earlier, and he chose Cleveland worries from you know, you could make the argument. Why would you choose Cleveland, you know, they got chub and they got got do Johnson there. Why would he go there? But maybe that's where he wanted to be from there. Listen, he's in Commissioner exemplified, and I guess you can defend the sort of the character issue with the Browns saying to- serve his time. And then we'll be there. You know, I think the Redskins got excoriated for taking on Reuben foster. This is kind of the same thing, you know. And you just the Browns have to just hold there. Hold their face in the in the wind on this. And they knew there's gonna be blowback and here's the blowback. But how many people are talking about the Redskins signing foster right now. No one it'll pass it'll pass. And then at some point he'll be able to play and by that time will be midseason or early season and people won't be talking about. Why do you think it was so important that he signed before the investigation concluded and the suspension came out? Yeah. It's a good question. The timing is a little weird from both sides. You know, why why now? And maybe you know, there was pressure from the Browns like we're going to chase somebody in free agency or we're gonna do this. Or maybe there's pressure from another team saying, yes, or no, that's the only thing I can come up with you know, offseason program doesn't even start for two months. So yeah, I'm confused by you as you are about the timing. You know, you also, and you wrote recently, and it was over at the rim QB, and it was good timing because you wrote about February is a rough month, and we're already starting to see that a bunch of places the falcons released some guys the bucks just released Vinny curry yesterday. The Texans releasing DeMarcus Thomas who's a little bit different situation coming off of that torn achilles. But it's it's that time of year. Andrew, isn't it? Yeah. It's tough for veterans and. I say it every year, you know, I. These are guys that were signed maybe some of them even last year like curry. Yeah. As sort of the treasure to trash in that quickly, a timeframe, but others signed, you know, years ago. And here's the thing. People have to understand is that these these contracts have zero value, you know, some of these guys that are being cut have whatever on their contracts six million eight nine nine nine ten million. And because of the lack of guarantees that money is has that paper has no value. So these were I just wrote that that there's hundreds of millions of dollars of contract value that will turn to dust think about that where dozens of veterans cut with tens of millions on their contracts that just go away, and it's really the difference between football and other sports. Sure, these other we'd see basketball buyouts contracts and cutting guys. And Carmelo Anthony that they're paid. They're paying these guys aren't paid. Now, they'll be a future guarantee here or there. We'll see. But gosh, it it's and here's the thing. And I'm media now. So I get it. But fans and meteor are brainwashed Ross. Because instead of lamenting this poor guy got cut they're looking at their team. And they're saying, okay. Who can we sign with that capper? That tends to be the reaction more than. Wow. Too cold business. Well, on one guy that did get signed with some cap room the Panthers, and Eric read, you know, there have been so much discussion last year when he couldn't get a job and collusion and all that Panthers. Finally game a chance Andrew he performed. Well, and now he gets a really nice deal out of it, which I guess you think would would damper the whole discussion of collusion a little bit. Yeah. I don't know if he's still got his case. And I I'm not sure the case against the league or case get the Bengals I think it's the league in general. But. Yeah. You know, I look at it. Ross this David Tepper new owner of the Panthers doubling down doubling down. So first thing was bucked the trend of no one signing read, certainly Jerry Richardson wouldn't have and then doubling down re-signing 'cause we're in this age. Right. You know time right now where people are pending free agents. We talked about glow in ski and Bobby Massie. And here we are read voiding free agencies. Stay where he is. And makes sense for both sides. Good players staying where he was staying where he was accepted. Unlike a lot other places, so we'll start to see some more extensions on the verge of free agency in and on the other side to more cuts. Lastly Jeffrey Simmons projected top fifteen pick out of Mississippi State, tore his ACL during training we found that yesterday from Chris Mortenson. What does that mean in your mind in terms of his his draft stock? I know things have changed probably a little bit. Maybe a lot of bit since you were there, Andrew it's been almost ten years. I guess and modern medicine all that stuff, but it has to affect them on some level. I mean, you know, there's a lot of guys you can draft or you're gonna draft the guy that just Tories ACL and you haven't seen him play after that. Now, he's a really futures pick. And. Listen, this is unfortunate. This is a big blow to his income. Because if if the people in the know are telling Chris or whoever that this is a top fifteen pick pre injury. There's no way there's no way post injury. I don't know. How far it goes down after that? But you're right. I mean, you'll invest a pick into a talent like him with an ACL, but it won't in my mind, it won't be high pick. So, wow, I'm just saying the news. They talked about it. And it's. It's a big blow. I mean. But then again, so so we think about what can you do? I mean, everyone's working out for the combine right now that is a risk of getting injured. There's always that risk. It's just really unfortunate for this kid. Andrew, I always appreciate the time. Terrific stuff. We'll check out the businesses sports again this week last week with Charlie ever saw man that was good timing for that podcast. And a terrific. Listen terrific interview. Encourage people to go back and listen to that one. If they missed it for sure, and then well here we got this week. I'm sure there's a lot of rants and other stuff. You can get into all of this different new one of the busiest February eleventh weeks, I can never remember. Indeed Ross always a pleasure talk soon. You know, what is the big show? Also, Angie is always the big show. The other big show your health your body taking care of your skin. That's why I'm all in on getting the trial kit from art of sport dot com. You get fifty percent off the trial kit art of sport dot com, specifically designed innovation and science with the guy. Guidance of world class athletes to take skin care the next level for everyone. I've been in art of sport deodorant for a while the hair and body wash is awesome. 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Well, so this is obviously what he needed to do and in his best interest. When it comes to. Trying to have the best football career. He can and most importantly get drafted as high as he can I guess the thing I would say about it though. That's interesting bribe is and I didn't realize this until yesterday. He reportedly sent a letter to all the major league baseball teams saying if you draft me in the first round, I'm one hundred percent committed the baseball. So I'm just telling you at the combine they are really really going to grill him on this because he sent a letter to baseball team, people can change their mind, and his heads have changed, blah, blah, blah, and you can have different feelings personally as to what he did. But all the NFL teams are going to care about is. How do they know? He's totally committed to them. What if things don't go? Well, the first year or two really look to go play baseball. I don't. I don't know. I will say this. You know, we talked about them a lot on yesterday's college draft podcast. I'd encourage you to check that out as a prospect. I'm pretty bullish on him. And I think that he's making the right decision. You know that commitment letter notwithstanding because it's clear as day that is heart is in football, Andrew, and I talked about it just seems to me like it'd be hard to succeed in baseball. If your heart is somewhere else. I mean, he was tenth grade state champion Alan high school in Texas. I mean, you do that you're a legend in Texas, his hearts and football. And I think you'll have a much better chance of success. If you do something this is like a life lesson for you. If you do something that your heart in mind or totally invested in. All right. Let's talk about the Browns signing running back Kareem hunt, and obviously Bry, you know, Android. I talked about that quite a bit as well. I think the most interesting aspect of it is probably that. He wanted to get signed before these suspension came out or before the investigation was concluded which leads you to think Adam Schefter said maybe ten to twelve games. And then also that he's going back home where he's from in Cleveland. I saw where Mike Florio pro football talk said yesterday that he. You know, his dad was just arrested January twenty fifth for selling crack cocaine. It's just so sad. You know? I mean, it's just so sad. And people can a lot of people do overcome such circumstances. And he has just to get to the NFL. But mean magin that imagine your dad getting arrested for selling crack cocaine? I mean that that's supposed to be one of the strongest best influences in your life. It's tough. But I just I know a lot of people say that you don't want to you really don't want to have guys go back home. I mean, you think about like Reuben foster going back to Alabama or they said the worst thing that ever happened Aaron Hernandez was when he played with the patriots. Right. I mean when aired her. Sandos went for the patriots. He was close to where he's from in Connecticut. That wasn't a good idea. I mean. It's rough man rough. And I'm surprised he's going back home and that he thinks too good idea. And the Browns thing that's a good idea. A lot of times, I think that's where some of his issues have popped up. And I think that's where you know. I think that's really where. A lot of his negative influences are and where some of his issues have been. So maybe it's a good thing. I hope for him. It's a good thing. But I don't know, man. That's that's that sounds like a tough situation. This next bit of news kind of went under the radar a little bit Panthers signing safety. Eric read three years. Twenty two million dollars. Right. I mean, Eric read, you know, there was all the talk about collusion, and you know, if he was going to be able to ever get an NFL career again and the Panthers signed him. And it went extremely well. I mean, he was able to go ahead. Have a good year. I thought some of the drug testing stuff he kept talking about was nonsense. But he was able to have a terrific year and got rewarded with a deal from the Panthers and good for him. What do you make of the story coal, Madison? He was the fifth round pick for the Packers last year. He has yet to participate with the team in any practice. Right. And that's pretty sad. Just because it's because you know, he got draft in the fifth round last year as you said his teammate at Washington state. Tyler Kalinski committed suicide quarterback, and it's just really really had a negative impact on coal, and it's affected him. And it said and everybody handles these things differently. And I hope he can I hope whatever place he's in mentally he can recover. I don't care about him playing football. And I just hope he's in a better place, actually, his Tyler's younger brother Ryan was in the all American bowl that I- broadcast. So I'm very hopeful for him that he's able to you know. You know, go ahead and. You know, get through it coal, Madison. Mentally, I know Ryan still play and he's going to South Carolina, and he's been able to do it. So let's hope the case is the same with Ryan just a couple of other thoughts Bri before I forget, you know, Damaris Thomas released yesterday after the torn achilles, Andrew Nye touched on that a little bit. You know, he's one of the guys getting cut this time of year, the bucks releasing Vinny curry, Jeffrey Simmons, tearing his ACL and training, which is awful. So there's a bunch of things going on. I would expect him to be interested in Vinny curry now at the same out of money. But now that he's available teams want. Everybody wants a pass rusher. Everybody wants to defensive end Thomas had that. Torn achilles. So that's rough for him and Simmons man as I said with Andrew very curious to see where he ends up getting drafted now. That's thanks. I mean, you get through your whole career healthy, you're a couple months away from the draft, and you tear your ACL in training. Just not good at all. What is good is borough? Are you planning on big changes in the new year? It's tough trying to break bad habits, leave a lame relationship. Whatever one of the changes that should be easy. Pulling the plug on that worn out hand me down coach coach couch Hemi down coach come on Tucker gathered together you've been hanging onto start fresh this year with the most comfortable durable and stylish sofa out there. Get ready for next football season from borough. What I love about it is stress free shopping. You just pick. 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It's time to move on blah, blah, blah, which is fine except he doesn't control that they have his right for the next three years. And I've seen some people say that he's hurting his trade value. I don't know. I mean, maybe a little bit. But all you really need to increase the trade values to have more than one suitor. So I don't know that he's decreasing it that much, and he doesn't really control it. But he's clearly wants out that's pretty obvious at this point. Then you have cliff Kingsbury who said Josh is our guy in terms of Josh Rosen because the Cuyler Murray to the cardinals rumors are running rampant, and as I put on Twitter at Ross Tucker. NFL? You know, if you really wanted to end speculation you would say Josh will be our guy moving forward. He's our franchise guy. If he says, Josh is our guy. I mean to me that's kind of just stating a fact, right? Josh is our guy right now, he's our guy until he isn't our guy. So I don't know they put that out there like they were, you know, getting rid of the speculation there. But I don't know that that's going to do a whole lot to quell the speculation finally before I forget, I wanna give a shoutout to Sean Grady are AUSSIE from down under whose amazing. He also just like Todd Bergman helps to grade the even money podcast. He's a huge listener he's prolific on tuck heads and amazing. And I found out through a little birdie that today is his birthday the day before Valentine's Day. So happy birthday, Sean. Thank you for being such a stud in every. Away with all the different shows and tuck heads in grading, even money the way, you do and your special format. It's amazing and much appreciated. Wanted to ask in NFL player question will here's your genius? It's time to ask. Ross Email address Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. You guys know the deal hit me up Ross at Ross Tucker dot com, and I am always able to read and respond to your question. Whatever it may be as long as you took advantage of one of our sponsors. What do you got bright? Hey ross. Hey, Brice if any plans for the one thousand podcast anniversary coming up on the RTF p it's kind of a big deal. Keep up all the great work. That's from Darren in Jacksonville. Yeah. And it's kind of a big deal. I guess I don't even know when we started keeping track of them Bri. Like when was the was it when the year, we did it and the podcast is only available. It's Portugeuse say or was it when the first one we ever did it Ross Tucker dot com. Yes. The ladder. Once we went independent and did it ourselves. So once we were at Ross, Tucker dot com. This was because it was called the Ross Tucker football podcast, even before we went to Ross, Tucker dot com. Correct. But that was number one. That was number one. I want to say it was some point in two thousand and fourteen. Wow. I don't know she'll be do something big. I don't know. What should we do? I don't know. Maybe you guys. Can you guys can tweet us or Email me Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. I don't know what we could do special for thousand. I don't know Brian. Maybe just give you thousand more. I like it March twenty fourteen by the way. Marcher twenty fourteen while and here, we are March to twenty nine it means we do two hundred a year that makes sense. We're actually in February twenty nine hundred we do at least two hundred a year. I love it. Thanks for keeping track of that though. Darren if you guys have a good idea for us. Let me know we'll come up with some type of special giveaway or something. Maybe we'll maybe we'll do some type of memorabilia t-shirt giveaway or something. I don't know. I do know that today's podcast was awesome. Remember fantasy feast even money couch Schrafft's, they're all already posted. We did yesterday. So you got them bright and early and they're all already posted. So hopefully, you enjoy that Warren sharp was amazing on the Fancy Feast. He always his Dane Brookler such a stud breaking out Cuyler Murray. And the combines not Snipes on Snipes snubs on the college draft podcast. What's wrong with you before? I was just going to say I've had like three to five flubs today. On the day show. So we might be we might not even make it two thousand. I think it moves it. I'm going to lose it. I think we're done here. Thanks for listening to the rust Tucker football podcast, make sure to subscribe to the fantasy feast even money and the college draft podcasts all available on I tunes and Ross Tucker dot com or wherever podcasts can be found. Hey, you the old school romantics total sweethearts? And of course, everyone hyped to swipe we're working to help you find the perfect Valentine. With dating advice for all ages tonight at five the must have for every first date a safety plan, including this do a screen shot. 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Raiders, Mitchell Trubisky, NBA's load management issue, Antonio Brown, Cowboys

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

1:05:05 hr | 9 months ago

Raiders, Mitchell Trubisky, NBA's load management issue, Antonio Brown, Cowboys

"Hey Yeah Jimmy here when you speak for yourself you're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show. You need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook instagram feet. SF Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want. So welcome aboard buckle loved and enjoyed. We start in Oakland. I in preparation for tonight's Thursday night football clash between AFC west rivals. The raiders and the chargers already fascinating piece in USA Today Headline Derek cars. Getting too much credit for the raiders. Success Wow. The headline of the article shook my gambling core that area. My iphone where the cash pay pal then Mo Chase Bank Wells Fargo Argo northern trust and Jordache APPS or local. I mean the raiders are playing at home and Fox. Bed is giving John Gruden's boys a one. One point against an underachieving charging I wasn't planning on paying my mortgage with the raiders. Tonight but Oakland does look awful tasty until you read Stephen Reasons assault on their car reasons piece in USA Today makes car sound like Philip rivers the most overvalued quarterback and football rees argues argues. That Oakland's offensive line deserve all the credit. For Oakland's offense of success and the cars leading performance when throwing under oppression under pressure is a function of unsustainable. Good luck Res Calls Car who has one hundred twelve pass rating in his last five games a mid it tear quarterback stephen reasons dead wrong here their cars the second coming of rich Gannon the last Oakland quarterback Jon Gruden transform into an MVP VP with this bullying coaching style. And let me tell you why absolutely love Derek Carr the prize. He's like Hyundai policy all the luxury of a Cadillac escalade. But there's no secret shop. The raiders are paying car twenty million this season next season and the next two seasons after that the dream scenario this is the Tom Brady. New England patriots scenario apologies to my favorite quarterback Patrick. Mahomes the raiders have the best. QB Situation Situation in the AFC west. They're going to move to Las Vegas and into a revenue generating stadium next year. And they have their franchise quarterback at a reasonable reasonable price. The raiders have Jerry. Jones wants Dallas. How can anyone criticized Derek Carr at this time? He's playing exceptional football. He's completing a career. Your high seventy one percent of his passes halfway through the season. He's been sacked just nine times thrown just four interceptions a year ago. He threw ten pixel suffered fifty one secs a year ago car. Looked like this year's Philip rivers tonight. It's a quarterback mismatch. Derek Carr and the raiders win by touchdown down. You have my personal pay your cell phone bill guarantee. I'd joining the desk now or Fox sports. NFL analyst Eric Mangini Lavar Arrington Kamar sells. I'll start with you. Do the raiders actually had the best. QB SITUATION IN THE AFC west. Nine clothes don't even bring this up situation. I didn't say quarterback I'm going to say every we know it's not quarterback that wouldn't be a show You're trying to get some controversy off the workplace situation and being general in that respect respect and I'm going to be specific while being general if you look at. WHO's the best quarterback he knows catch from home if you know? Who's the best situation? What's the best situation is to Kansas City chiefs because having the best quarterback a racist so many of your issues and a world where everyone has a minimum cap number? And if you have flexibility ability or great cap policies you can find ways to try and exceed the CAP or at least restructure your way to the top of the cat. You still have a better situation in Kansas City. If you can't afford them why wouldn't you pay the best player and the NFL MVP. You would so what they're paying for is what they're actually getting there getting someone a little less and then they have to do a lot more around on what Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to do the same things in this situation with Kansas City. Once you give Patrick Mahomes that money is going to put onus on Organization for everyone who checks in with the keycard upstairs executive level. You GotTa do your job to find. Some lower draft picks that blossom go out there and helpless defensively into running game support where we have. which is the greatest quarterback in our game today? So I look at the situation situation I know a Derek Carr is a former MVP in the conversation of MVP but we actually have a real MVP. WHO's going to get paid like and helped the team? We're we're talking about the raiders success and I like I like John Brunell might Mac but we're talking about a five hundred team here. We're not talking about a a team that light up so okay so success is is being five hundred. I I don't know if I'd really look at that as being being the the end game team and so about to call you tonight after they win this five hundred you can. You can start with me because the can win tonight. But when you look at Philip rivers and and you look at his body of work he's got a better completion percentage he's got a better touchdown rate he's got a better quarterback rating than Derek Carr and and all those things Derek Carr has enough of body worked to indicate where he is and Derek Carr has had some tremendous success at one point was considered in the MVP race before he got hurt a few years ago in terms of his contract. I believe he's in the third year of a five-year deal so next year. They're going to be talking about renegotiating if he has success and yet you have met a good price but when he was initially signed that wasn't a wooded or whatever it was it was a course he was the highest paid player in the League league and he'll make that he'll make push for that money again probably next year if the if if our measure success especially is being five hundred who knows actually win more games that then they're going to have to pay him at imagine through the roof he most certainly is the best quarterback situation in in the AFC west. And here's a look at your face. Pick your face up table out. Put it back on your face and I'm gonNA tell you why you should do so so what we know. Patrick Mahomes is the future. He's he's he's the man right now. He's a Goblin but your job connected to Patrick Mahomes fell Patrick. Mahomes get a new coaching staff. It's done for Andy Reid Kirk curtains. That's pressure you go. Let's travel to San Diego. Don't listen sorry Mexico. Say London the to the San Diego chargers his Momma call him and say target. You'RE GONNA have to replace him soon. So now you're tasked with trying to figure out. What do you do to replace a hall of fame possible quarterback that has never won the big game all right? So that's the situation. Then you go into Denver. Don't do it. They have to find quarterback you altogether. They still haven't found a quarterback so then you look got this this. Las Vegas Raiders team. You gotta solid quarterback that came in as a franchise level quarterback your GM and your head coach inherited this player so at the price tag that you have well Matt. It's under the market value of of a franchise quarterback you get to play it out and see if he's a franchise level quarterback that you should play play pay franchise dollars to whether you have to renegotiate it or not. If he fails. We got runway to get a different quarterback if he succeeds eight PM. We're moving forward. I did it with rich Gannon before i. I'm doing ed car now. Of course they're in the best situation. You guys are welcome. Let let me just add that again. Some people cowherd into this show talking about the raiders offensive line which Stephen Rees gives all the credit to. They paid a lot the money for this offensive line and it's performing at a high level. You can do that when a quarterback isn't eating up a large percentage of your cap. According to our a`research I'm trusting Andy our research on the only quarterback to win a super bowl or the WHO had the highest percentage of the CAP with Steve Young at like like thirteen percent year. One to one once you start getting above that you got problems filling out the rest of your team. I want Patrick Mahomes to be. You can't see chief for the rest of his career. Came to forty forty five million whatever. But it's GonNa make it harder to have the best offensive line around him and the other talent around him that it takes to be successful. I'm too I think. The raiders have three more years with if not four more years with car under contract. I think they're in great shape. We didn't aren't. They won in two in the last three games. Didn't they come down to pass that deflected in the end zone. This past their one in two in the last three games. And and maybe I'm missing something on this and I do think they're going through a rebuild and and and I appreciate all those things but they if they have a very good quarterback or the quarterback that that we're saying is a franchise quarterback you would think that that rebuild would be happening more rapidly than it is because you've got an offensive minded head coach. You've got a guy that you're earmarking is a franchise quarterback pod right now air. Ah Okay every team at four four is in the playoff units on bringing. They lost birthday. What who they were building a defence around they lost a B. is going well Lutheran go rapid chase to become a super bowl contending team when you bring in guys? It's like perfect and Antonio say a win now even though we've never one let's forecast. That's great great assumptions. But let's look at record and reason. Listen love record is because it's reliable you can't change it. This guy has lost my man as lost one two three four five of his six seasons. I'm including this year because he's not a winner yet so you can save. So we'll we'll he's on his fourth head coach head coach coach and a six year career. Now you say if you don't win with Patrick Mahomes you're out of there. I don't believe that to be the case but I do know you're out all the dare if you have a quarterback who can't win and their car can't win he's one one year two thousand and three and he still has a losing being starting record. You take away that one year twenty four forty seven you give them one year thirty six and fifty. You know what gets sure coach fired. You're throwing that argument point. No statistics out to a top draft. Pick that had more head coaches than years in the League at one point. But I don't put that you. CanNot I put what you just said on the quarterback you have to put that on how the Office of the organization is come all march that way. Way when you will know that when you walk into a situation when you have a franchise quarterback there there's usually longevity drew brees there's longevity you look at Ben Rothlisberger there's there's longevity you look at Aaron Rodgers there's longevity so they go. Hey there's a difference between walking situation with a franchise quarterback and walk into a situation. We're the quarterback is is somewhere in between what about an organization that's been an ownership transition financial. Hi Nancy transition as they try to get to Las Vegas. The the raiders have been influx for the last three or four years. They haven't been financially naturally. Sound since Davis passed away. That's one of the reasons. They're moving in Las Vegas and trying to get in this revenue generating stadium. The the raiders. Eaters have been trying to do it on the cheap. They go out and get Jon Gruden. Look I've criticizing laughed at Jon. Gruden the plan is coming together. He's getting results out of their car. and this this team there in the playoff. They're better than people anticipated this particularly coming out of the Antonio Brown situation. I I love with this sitting at contractually with their car performance wise with their car and moving to Las Vegas. I don't think we should be dumped on and I can't wait till so tomorrow when they're five and four and we can quit talking about them. Being came back. Not One of those quarterbacks that you name was a part of a type of organization that would broke down try. 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LOVIE ESCA DOT COM with locking Wiley Lavar Arrington in an Eric Mangini are back time now for big story sponsored by KFC come enjoy our new Kentucky Fried Wings in Buffalo Honey Barbecue and Nashville hot. uh-huh I'm hungry all right. Let's move this Lago where Mitchell trubisky has been taking a ton of eat after a series of terrible performances during the bears. Four game losing streak but trubisky Bisky is now suggesting a novel approach to tuning out the criticism saying he wants all the televisions that the bears facility to be turned off because quote there. Too many many people talking about the team question here is like Mitch. TRUBISKY's approach here. No not at all one one. When you're under performing this is the last thing you WanNa map on your personality your persona your mental attributes attributes as an athlete? Because you're in that locker room as a quarterback to lead those men own the field and they're starting to look at you once they hear this. I thought you weren't playing will because you weren't playing well I didn't know that outside forces were having some influence or impact on how your you're underperforming which is discouraging. It would make me feel a certain way if I were his team. Ace but this is also something that is really undermining. What's is is one of the greatest attributes of all athlete's ability to compartmentalize? When you have kickoff one o'clock and ten o'clock you got to leave the House to go to the stadium? Get there early by eleven and the MOM wants more tickets in the girlfriend is still complaining about some. You guys were talking about the day before and the kids are saying daddy where you're going to see later and you're driving up still drinking from the night before for Guy Wife I when I was playing I ordinary to all that happens. Guess what it's still a moment of truth kickoff I gotTa compartmentalize so you're walking through through a locker room and you're looking at our ugly faces that you actually dictate our content. You play. Well we have nothing enough to say but you play you get influenced by the tail instead of the head of this man. I look at him sideways. I want you at the stadium a little earlier than November. The second thing is if I would want my franchise quarterback they have enough juice to be able to get the. TV's turned off in the building like he should be able able to just say. Hey I want the TV's often. You'd think that they would respond to that. But all that being said I I appreciate what he's saying about distractions and and we talk about this all the time. There's three things that you fight every week you fight division from within the media and you fight the other team those are the three things that you gotta overcome each week and the media is just more a function of the outside noise it. It takes a lot of different forms and two Marceau's point you can't worry about what everybody else thinks about. That has nothing to do with what's going on in the building that has nothing to do with the opponent that you're facing and it's wasted time. It's wasted energy and it's it's completely irrelevant to how you should perform and how you should be viewing the week and and your ability and your your opportunity. I find it hard to to put a concrete judgement on whether I like it or not to me. I'm interpreting this as hell being an eleven and three quarterback as as a as a player of the year before the success that he was able to have this could be very classic case of if you put it in the proper context him showing the leadership that that this team may we need that may be one component of several different things. That trubisky is presenting and saying in order for not only himself. Because I'm taking the option that he's not basing this off of himself. He's basing this off of them as a team. So it's it's how what's being reported Gortat. What's the source? Where did this source come from that saying he wants the TV's off? Was that a direct quote from him in an interview. This somebody leaked that out where whereas where are these these things coming from because I think if that is a line item and things that trubisky as a leader is presenting then I like the approach. He said it said it on camera camera. Look I can't believe no. I'm sorry I can't believe there's any this is great. Communication has been devalued by technology. There's one way too much outside noise. It's completely different then from when I certainly grew up from when we all grew up when there was one TV and a house one phone one phone. Line now there's just an overabundance abundance everybody's got a TV in their room everybody's got a TV on their fall. Everybody's listening all the outside noise and I don't well I. I have this dispute with my family constantly. Turn the Damn TV. All if it's not sports are something real. Don't pay a attention to it because it's driving you crazy if it's not sports I'd litter or if it's not sports or something. I want to see on Netflix. I don't turn my TV. Oh Oh because I can't take the constant noise that everybody gets caught up in. It's just ridiculous. The conversations the whole I don't blame this do for saying as fifty three men trying to come together and focus on so we don't need to be even hearing what Jason aborted are watching sports at the facility. So you live sports. Let's say this separate operate the signal from the noise. I hate when people blame devices. Blame Thou saidest of what happens now Michigan in the game and outsiders eighty thousand or screaming against you. Oh that's different because interpretive take our. Let's talk about this. Is that the trash or is this your filter mentally. You have to be able to process things and put them in their proper perspective. If I give you this old man focus. Was this one dot on the wall staring at football. That's all I e sleep. Football new man focused all the dots on the wall. No which wants to prioritize know which ones matter. I much harder. Wichita didn't say look Rena Franchise quarterback in excelling and succeeding is hard as well. If you don't have those Mitchell attributes they won't display if it's an effort to have leadership to me. I look at it and feel as though Oh. The guy is trying to unite us if you have. If you have a uniting factor uniting force energy connected to it as genuine then you're going to respect the weather whether we like the idea of it don't turn the TV off or not. I still think that he's trying to start a conversation. And if you're starting a conversation I'm I'm not condemning to do for for for being that type of leader we'll look whether it's phones or TV's or or whatever it is. I think it's Betty Ford that said no one can make you feel badly about yourself and you unless you let let them and if you're a successful person that means you're out you're out there taking chances you're putting yourself out there and there's always going to be a group that's going to criticize the way that you do things things the way that you conduct yourself and the people that have true grit are the ones that are able to block out that noise no matter where it comes from because it's GonNa keep coming the more successful accessible. You are the more noise and the only way that you're going to maintain success isn't by getting into some sort of sheltered environment. It's by facing the noise head on and being able to have enough self confidence and resolved to say I believe in who I am. And what are they. Could there be a possibility that he's identifying a few this my again Dan. This might not be directly attributed to him. No no what is what if he's defending someone what he's covering. There's guys in locker room. I'm like every locker room immature. That do get distracted by the outside noise he he. He may be talking about himself and several of his teammates. Who knows but I for anybody for any human being in two thousand nineteen to say turn the TV's all in terms of all the outside noise as an second guessing of people and you know because again the whole political thing is what drives me crazy? I I just can't take it. It's stupid conversation intended to drive. I people crazy and it works. This guy's just trying to say we're here trying to win football games. Some of US maybe myself maybe some of those were too caught. Caught up in what others are saying about us. You have this conversation with young people. All the time I looked great ones can compartmentalize but football teams and athletic teams usually have a handful of great ones and a bunch of people that are being dragged the greatness by the great ones. If you write down the right answer there's nothing you could tell me. They make me change my answer. So that means focusing on your work know what you have to do because when you start to let those outside forces become internalized. Nice you're never going to have pure self confidence so I don't care what we say. We can say great things. It's not going to play greater. We can say bad things not go play worse. I so it's the new filter curricular the conversation. They took seventeen starting tomorrow joining us as we salute the troops celebrate Veterans Day. Here on. Speak for yourself. We'll have shout outs from active military bases a special studio audience and hits from this weekend's this Special Fox. Nfl Sunday from West Point. Military Academy Trust us. You won't want to miss it tomorrow and Monday at three. PM EASTERN ON F S One. I welcome back to speak for yourself. The most fearless show in sports presented by Hyundai Jason Whitlock Marcellus Wiley joined by Yahoo Sports senior. NBA insider. Chris Hangs let's talk load management. uh-huh clipper stark while Leonard is facing growing criticism over his decision to continue managing the number of MBA regular season games. He plays last night Leonard. Skip Day Marquee the home match up against the Milwaukee Bucks and their superstar forward. Yana Sante to too low medicine. One broadcast decision play was ridiculous former. NBA Veteran Kendrick Perkins said that load owed management getting out of hand and that the players need to hold up their end of the deal. During last night's TV telecasts Mark Jackson fresh his displeasure with with winners decision. I don't like what Leonard is doing. But the blame for low management. Rest above Leonard's head it's starts at the Commissioner's Office Adam. Oh silvers the most celebrated commissioner in the history of sports. He's treated by the media as if he's a combination of Abraham Lincoln and Pete Rozelle for no justifiable reason. Oh that's it's right. He fired Donald Sterling after thirty years. So I guess we'll be waiting thirty years for the NBA take action on a problem. That has been obvious for a decade. NBA players no longer have an interest in playing eighty two games and they've been mailing in a dozen hangover performances for two or three decades. And in recent years Spurs coach Gregg Popovich. Vich made it fashionable to veteran players risked kawais taken it to the next level. This is inevitable. The players make a gazillion dollars. Go I WANNA do so. Oh for as long as possible they want less wear and tear on their bodies. They're no different from NFL players who basically used their leveraged outlaw. Football Practice FADDEM silverware. SMART lettuces Media Group is proclaimed he'd be out ahead of this issue and the League and the Players Union would reach an accord on short the NBA season. I blame Adam silver more than I do. Leonard Marcel Blame Adam Silver for the in bays load management issues. You know I've got a job Radio Kumho uh-huh retention on tape accompany. You Ain't got no technical turn off the TV. Mr Bisky just wanted to Tom One. I don't have an issue at all with this and I'm getting a little perturbed disturbed by the fans who keep in certain themselves Dell's a little too high in a priority in the pecking order in the food chain talking about we paid our hard earned money to go to the game. He's not there you know what is also true. Last six flags colossus was shut down. Guess what I did went on. A revolution just kept moving. That's enough to do is coming coming back. You could go back again. It's going to be eight games. Plus shutout trump. Now let me get too upset. Though you deal with little man with man was hot. Ah Duty Saves all I love the player empowerment. That is coming from this. More importantly the organizational support and cooperation. That is amazing to think of the former player to not only have an organization serving their interest. This while you're self interest are also respected because there are times when you're compromise I give you adam. Silver's words verbatim that term loan management management is generally used in regard to rest. That's not what the protocol was co why he has an injury. This is different than a guide to said. Let me see the schedule. TAP TAP tap out this. I'm giving you. This letter has not played a back to back since April of two thousand seventeen. Seventeen clout chases all you. People want to make smoke where you being for two almost three years talking about this is building now because this team is the clippers supposed Allston win a championship. I am saying to you guys that if you have a player who was managing the marathon the course the terrain properly properly and organizations support them and NBA two supports them work. Do you think your concerns truly land quiet and move onto the next game. That was a good point. That's exactly what I was GONNA say. There has been a while since he played in the back to back. And if that veteran continue which it did this week I Amihai obviously look. You've got an option plan against Jaanus or plan against Rodney Hood and Kim base more tonight. I self explanatory right. You say this to stick with the question. I think Adam silver is going to have to be the one who does something about this issue but I think ah beyond him is bigoted hill. He's going to be up to be the one to resolve it Earl Watson Tweeden this couple days ago no if you guys seen. I did that. Ah Players are coming into the league with malice based off of the rigorous a schedule. And if you add on the top high school who players the ones who are McDonald's all American caliber type players on top of the a schedule they go outside the country. Play these games throughout the summer. They're playing more games James then their regular high school season and so if you add all of that they're not the regular nineteen year old players that we've accustomed to now. We want to say Michael Jordan Patrick Hatch Accua. They did it well. They didn't play as many games as I did. During the course a regular high school season then these players play. Now Look Lamelo. You can't tell me he's GONNA be a regular fresh nineteen year old come into Lee. You know he's been all over the place so I think that is the big issue. That's the biggest issue but it's going to be up to alternately up to Adam silver to fix it can't we not agree. They should short season. Yes yes that's what. I had two players crying out for that shouldn't we. We agree if we if fifteen percent of the Games go away. They're gonNA have to give a fifteen percent of the money down. That's the player commerce of that in their pockets me. I wouldn't make that deal. I would just low manage for my eighty-two though management can take a lot of different versions and courses doc rivers talks about this whole and Patrick out of practice this I'm going to try and find ways to get them out of the gangs without low managing and violating the NBA's rules. There are times when you have a player who sees a back to back and has a lingering issue you start to play that and prolonged that but this noth- forget wok. Hawaii has become the poster child for this. And how how we got here. And how the Spurs try to destroy his character when he actually was injured and when he went back and they misdiagnosed those two four second time he said the spurs the story franchise is not going to respect player and then they started to employ should nobly and who else today only only Parker David Robinson and all the alums till assault this man's character who has never said a word to anybody already and certainly nothing of malice and he realized that moment. Oh I got to do for Myself Dolo on this one and I respect who. Why even if he they were violating the rules? which in this situation? He's not. Here's my problem with Adam silver though and and my problem with because I don't think there's anybody you looking out for American Basketball Earl Watson get set a great point and this is where I think basketball's been out of control will for a long time. No one wants to step up and do what's right for college basketball and for high school basketball. The shoe companies get an a summer basketball gets free rein to do whatever the hell they wanted to do. This is why I think Adam silver and the NBA are so focused on China China. That no one's doing the right things to protect the health of American basketball. And that's why you got sixteen seventeen year old kids out here plan A.. And too many Damn Games. Not Protecting Their long-term hell American basketball is not in great health. We keep looking oh they. They're producing the stars Blah Blah Blah. This game is being neglected the NBA would be better. I'm telling you I'm in America. If the college game were better. But America's not the priority already China's the priority and that's why American basketball continues to languish college basketball becomes less and less important and more were irrelevant and we're allowing that to happen. I don't think that's good for American Bathroom Eric Genie's back we're joined now by Fox. NFL landless TJ. Who's been Zodda time? Dr Questions of the day Dardanelle take it away yes sir. Let's talk about Tonio Brown. Their reports of the receiver will be meeting with the League next week. Allegations of sexual assault but in the meantime brown is outraged at the. NFL has been dragging their feet on the investigation. tweeting today quote. Imagine conforming to assist them given seven hundred percent to see. Don't treat me like this is unfairly making money off my sweat and blood F- The NFL. I'll never play in that league. Treat black people to worse clear my name and go f yourself guys one is as you start. Do you agree with beat as being treated unfairly. No I think that. Ab doesn't WANNA play in the NFL anymore. He doesn't WANNA play football. That's been my narrative ever since his shenanigans in Oakland and it continues Joe Saint Anderson reports that the the NFL's trying to meet with him next week and now he just blows up that meeting with these tweets Screwed ANTIFA. He don't WanNa play football next week right and he's been gone for almost two months now. Welcome to bureaucracy And this is interesting. I don't like his response. Obviously two wrongs don't make a right but it's interesting when you talk about him. I think that the slow trail the snail. This was offensive because he lost in the court of public opinion so therefore he lost the pressure that the public will put on the NFL. Oh text date this so they took their time for many reasons. They may have took their time to connection to Robert Kraft may have made them delayed this hotshots. Robert cray exactly exactly all that when you talk about. Disturbing and undermining human capital relationships people are not going to serve your interest in priority priority so welcome to bureaucracy if you're a B. but I look at this situation and I say he had a case and his case was even if I am guilty. Even if you're going to penalize me may I start death sentence now not two months later even go through the process to start that that that judgement so he had a case. But this doesn't certainly open to answer the question. Yeah he's been treated unfairly and and I'm going to get to it sucks. That he's put these tweets out on social media because it's like how can I say that After he does this a all right and I'm agreeing with ourselves. There's no clarity here. Has he been treating give him some clarity. Let him know was going on. Let him know you're going to be suspended X.. AMOUNT OF GAMES FOR WHATEVER RE interview interview him as soon as possible. Like you've done in years past. They kept him on ice so he has no idea so when he puts this out is frustrating for him. Because like Marcella said I've already said eight-game some teams nine. Am I going to be suspended now or does the Games that I sat out. Does that count as my suspension. There was no clarity here and so for him yeah. He's being treated unfairly from that perspective. What he's put out today? I don't agree with. There's no way week you come to meet with me next week and you put this out and I'm going to have any type of compassion for anything you say none at all. Well he shot his way out of. Pittsburgh shot his way Outta Oakland. He'd had a third opportunity New England he actually comes dead money on all three of those teams capsule. There's there's plenty of opportunities and then throughout this whole process. He's made needed as difficult as possible for people to WANNA facilitate Closure and I think Marceau's a very good point when you when you're constantly attacking and attacking and creating additional problems here so there's no. There's no motivation for anybody to speed things up to make things any easier for you after you've made them so difficult for yourself and then trying to make it as difficult for everybody else. I don't think there's anything unfair about this process when you sign an NFO. Fo Contract is very specific. Stipulations on on how things work. And you're at the mercy of the Commissioner for for most things and just the way it is this guy has been they say it's a privilege to play in the NFL. And I agree with this. I think it's a privilege privilege to work here at Fox. ESPN we get paid. Well I get I get paid seventy eight thousand dollars a year to do this show. I'm very pleased an appreciative she tiv- of that and it's a privilege to work here and it was working. We sit around and talk about sports for this guy gets to play a kid's kid's game for millions of dollars. And you WANNA take potshots at Robert Kraft when he came in. Got You up out of Oakland and gave you a chance to play with the two greatest guys that ever did it and you take those and you expect them to be in a rush to get you back into their little private club of millionare's. I'm sorry I don't think he's been he's responsible again if you. NFL is the hottest girl in in town. If you WANNA data you don't take pop. Basically just sander trinity my fairly because of what he's done that but it's poorly poorly of course cause you to treat me want to focus in on that because there are some parallels to our judicial system and how the NFL's Phil's trying to ruin their private judicial system you have to. It's imperative to keep an objective lintz in both situations that that means no matter how they come at you. How the attack you? You still have to respect the process so personal feelings. Do not come into play in the process. Here's a case in point when you get arrested or anything happens to you on the streets you go when you're innocent to found guilty and here's the first out you have bill money if there is a bill and if you don't have bail money even though the presumption is you're innocent you're sitting there now as you're sitting there isn't there a hope that we're going going to expedite this because let's be real. I'm innocent until you prove that I'm guilty. ABC's looking at all these situations in the several and he's like I can be guilty but please expedite the process. No matter how I personally made you feel in an objective situation as system unlinking. NFL We're all in any system and judicial system as well your cases heard in order of when it when it happens and there may be other things too that there there may be other they have come in front of them. And if you don't like the way the NFL's doing business. There's been a lot of people who have sued the NFL. There's been a lot of people who have used the the legal eagle system to try to to facilitate the things that they want through the NFL and he has every right to do that right. It's just to say that he's being treated unfairly when most most of the problems are problems that he's brought upon himself. I think that's very hard for people to disagree with. He brought a lot of all the way. The process says two months he j two months. I can't speak for all of us. Have had families in the court system. See a family member. I don't know look if you see a family member talking crazy to the judge arsenal. Hey man cut cut out. They wouldn't stop oil that's what he's doing. He's talking crazy to the judge hundred percent. I just has the owners and the sworn oath to garden. I know they don't be should they shouldn't a b made a fool out of wanted. Roger Goodell's thirty two ball expedite the process. And say you're guilty. You're league what I'm GonNa tell you what they've done I guarantee you. They just can't call A. B.. You know he's hard to get on the phone and you know it's hard again cooperate. And we don't. I'm not I guarantee you. They've reached out and try and then when they didn't get the kind of cooperation. They want us to okay. Do you do you responsible awesome. Yeah that's responsible wh. Why is it irresponsible? The islands I heard about me now. You don't want your other employees. Is doing this. Hurry up and get this done in a lot of ways. You're you're also setting precedent and it's like anything else if if you'RE GONNA act this way we're gonNA respond this way. So then the next but then the next person that decides whether or not they want to do that they got to take a step back and say okay. We how many players will do this nerve. There's not you're not setting a precedent because there's not guys aren't GonNa do this. We're writing unspoken rules at almost laws. Basically so you want to act like that. I'll put you back in your place without even saying anything like that. And that's unfair in a process in. This doesn't do that Marcel. Maybe a writing that. It doesn't make it right. I I am not. I don't have a sworn oath to put that in his proper bucket. I'll have a sworn overlook. Ab Stupidity the Commission. The commissioner. But I wouldn't do it. That will return to the NFL Hall of fame NFL. Executive Bill Polian made news this week. Five million. He was wrong for stadium before the two thousand eighteen. NFL draft the Baltimore. Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson should should switch to wide receiver polling walked back his pre-draft analysis to longtime NFL reported jared bill of USA. Today Poli until I was wrong because I use the old traditional quarterback standard with him which is clearly. Why John Harbaugh and Ozzie? newsome were more prescient than I was. Police walked back sparked bill to write that Poland's original critique of Jackson smacked barriers that many athletic African American quarterbacks faced in previous decades jeered. Bill is a friend of mine. He's been one of the top football writer for at least two decades but we black people in the sports media need to find a new way to talk about black. NFL quarterback who get criticized. Bill Polian wasn't doesn't being racist or biased or smacking bears when he said Lamar Jackson should consider playing wide receiver. Bill Polian simply offered a bad opinion about a quarterback prospect aspect. The Dolphins selected Dan Marino at the bottom of the first round of the nineteen eighty-three draft. Because there were widespread rumors that Marino was a drug and party boy at the University University of Pittsburgh Damn near everyone said Terry Bradshaw was too stupid to play quarterback in the NFL. Black Cowboys linebacker. Hollywood Henderson said Bradshaw couldn't spell cat had bradshaw once said John. Elway couldn't re- defenses. My Boy Jeff. George Mel Kiper attacked everything about his character. The point is. NFL quarterback is a high altitude high turbulence position criticism and bad opinions. Go along with the job. It's like being president if you can't stand the inevitable turbulence you're you're not fit for the position so far. Lamar Jackson his handling the turbulence quite well. He's used the criticism as motivation. It's his groupies in the media. Who have struggled? There's there are people. Acting like Poland's misguided opinion is the equivalent of Jackson being banished to the Canadian. Football League like Warren Moon was forty years ago. It's no longer nineteen seventy eight black. NFL quarterback now get treated like white NFL quarterbacks. Russell Wilson is the highest paid player in Football Wilson Shawn Watson and Lamar. Jackson are the leading candidates as for the League. MVP Dak Prescott is going to get overpaid the same as Jared Goff and Carson wentz seventy two percent of NFL players are black. Let's quit treating those players like special needs children who we must place a protective bubble. The Mark Jackson is a grown man he can survive all the same media. Abuse Terry Bradshaw. How did all this wind about a bad opinion makes us look like we're not man enough to handle the turbulence that comes standard with high profile high altitude positions of leadership? I guess are black. quarterbacks still treated differently than white. quarterbacks aren't most fearless. Most fairly you know I. I almost wholeheartedly. I'm ninety percent towel with you but there is something that needs to be discussed and I will love or as a collective to come to new ground new understanding on this because I understand that Bill Polian gave a bad opinion. We all do but why. I think that's a fair question. How did you get there? Okay I know bill. Polian worked with him is daily for years years while I was at. ESPN will vouchers. Don't care which I'll say. He's like to me. One of the godfathers the football his intelligence to zoos and everything he does that said. There's an implicit bias that I see in this situation I'm GonNa give you an example and we know that example is going to be low hanging fruit. Tim t-bone yeah. Well let me tell you why I'm GonNa bring up that example true equality. True equality is the ability to be normal not a superstar not extraordinary ordinary. Just normal now. Chris rock famously laughs in jokes about how he's a superstar comedian. His neighbors just did a white white guy and he's like desktop neighborhood known people and meet superstar because they're really quality in terms of economic mobility. Count step to say. They disobeyed Tim Tebow Tebow had his struggles as a quarterback NFL but when he was making the transition to the NFL former heisman trophy winner. No one came out record. I know of this level said maybe you should be. Maybe you should do something else now. Once he was allowed the ability the opportunity to fail. People started to say tied in. Be Smart for you. Okay you can just uh I'm GONNA give it back to you. So here's the thing. Lamar Jackson heisman trophy winner. Meaning I'm the best player in college. Football and I played quarterback was told Rhode was asked. Maybe you should switch positions and not have the ability or the opportunity to fail to me me. That's not a normal circumstance and that's why I wanted to bring that once snag it. Would I register from Bill Polian. They are still slightly treated differently profoundly. It's slightly when you're log. It swayed me a little bit but when you when you look at and you delve into it very recent Mitchell trubisky. This guy was drafted ahead of the Shawn Watson and if you base it you know is Russell was drafted ahead of a lot of people. But that's far few between that's between Keely Really Smith. What a black quarterback has to prove himself more you said back Prescott overpaid probably what he has to prove himself? He was drafted afternoon. Four frown he was under drafted Russell. Wilson was under drafted do decide eighty but jewelries Tabriz a second round pick. That's undecided the hall of fame. You look at it now. Lamar Jackson it was almost disrespectful. You have to play. You can't throw the ball giving you a jazz said there but this one that we're this guy has been as what you said. I'm considering Godfather football. Because what he did what the Panthers Tibo simple example one I. I'M GONNA use Tibo as the example of Tibo. There were a lot a lot of people that thought he wasn't the NFL quarterback said so instantly now continues position not strong again. Everybody toys but the difference between t-ball and Lamar areas and this is really about where the NFL has moved in that Short timeframe is you've now had NFL organization go. Do you know what I'm going. All in on Lamar Jackson's running skills and his abilities. No organization was ever willing to do that for Tim. Tebow the the Denver broncos never built an offense specifically for Tibo skill sets. And we've transitioned on things on Fox when they went on that play. Oh not not like. They're he was throwing the ball ten times. The Guy got it but not there was no one offense built around Tim. Tebow football has moved. Baltimore's done something unique. And I Tom I think we've ever seen it in the NFL for any quarterback just going all this unique. Because they're in a position of power to John. Hoban Ozzie. newsome Ozzie newsome so very. Let's keep talking listening to this or are black people. In general societies treated differently. Now okay hold their. Let me stop you right where you do realize that leads. Our professional athletes cleats are not treated the way the overwhelming majority of African Americans. I do. Let's don't do realize don't look my mom and my brother and all these other. The people in with athletes athletes get treated differently if the rest of the world operated like athletics it looked more like the NBA and the NFL. So don't don't look athletes in with everybody. What he was doing he finished? Let's see so here. We go and the answer is no answer after after all of that is still no right. Football Sports in general is a microcosm of the greater whole. So I am going to put. I'm I'm not lumping them. I am categorizing. Sport is just another category that represents a microcosm of the total hall of the society and the culture. That is years. Here's where I disagree with you. Lavar sports operates more effectively more fairly with race than the rest of society. That's a that's it's just a fact of the progress we've made here in. America can be directly attributed to our success in sports and probably probably I would disagree with you and I would argue and say that the Glass House and ceiling that is created within sports would lend to create the actual. This is a Wilson has a glass ceiling. Yes yes he does yes he does. He wants you leaving. She wants to the home. Got Glass Center being cheated. What I'm saying is they fit into? They fit into what their what their identity is. And what what what defines them as that athlete playing in the game and who defines the Athlete athlete or some other people. Bill Polian doesn't define Lamar Jackson me or anybody else. And that's why the more ball you don't go as far as to say that they're doing the defining what you're saying what I'm saying is is they're fitting into the microcosm of what our culture represents so whether whether they make more money than the average human being and doing their profession whether they get more airtime airtime and being able to be on television. They're still a glass ceiling based upon what their racial background is. And that's just keeping away one hundred zero again Russell. Wilson it's probably GonNa win the. MVP is the highest paid football player in the NFL. What ceiling where we need to go to where you can say there is no glass? Assume what what does he need to wear saying they saying now. rollerblading treated differently than white quarterbacks. Well let me say this. Let me say say this. What's happening here? I don't think you guys are arguing. The same language we're not we're we have a long asset. Ah Circle back to opportunity. Because we'll opportunity gives you the spectrum to do is either be properly rewarded or properly penalized alive. But we're talking about a level playing field of reward and penalty there is no glass ceiling in the NFL. Let's just be real but the conversation it does go to. Is there the same in terms of congruent penalty when you talk about if a black quarterback fails and a white quarterback fails will they be the same but that's not even point. This is what the real issue is in this is so nuance you can say that. There is no greater penalty for a black quarterback. Here's what happens when you have a criticism that will choke the opportunity away from the next. That's why it becomes few and far or between as Lamar Jackson is a double minority in the NFL. He's the black quarter any black quarterback. He's a black quarterback and he's a running quarterback making him a running black quarterback. How many black quarterbacks coming into the NFL have not had running attached to their name? How many how many how many black quarterback a whole lot? No no no no. No no lettuce schism said let asking myself. We've got I mean Lavar we gotta stick to facts. Yeah I all I gotta say this this the real of it all the only harm that comes from a guy like bill polian saying something like the only harm it and this is you maybe even reaching Ford is that it will influence the minds of so what else to not give the same opportunity and so that's all I can grab from this if I'm I'm Terry Bradshaw watching this at home. And he was called every idiot in the world by white sports writers a black player called and said he couldn't spell cat if he can deal with it in hamlet. Why can't we can but not leaning into the limitation Shen of the stereotype? What you call Terry Bradshaw or something like that? That's an anomaly at best. You say a running quarterback Kerry every sudden anything that's leadership high profile leadership position that's well-paid man. There's so almost turbulence and critical your jealousy and hate. And that's all this ahead to that position quarterback trust me people are. We're going to rip and criticizing your character. Everything about she's going to be questioned. That's what goes along with the position and either we're man enough for or we go. I'll sit around and it's a fair point where Donald trump the how the how the why is all I wanted. Frank Oh yeah Oh yeah oh yeah we come back mustard on the beaten with locking Wiley or loose yourself while he lavar area to their back thought about kicking Lavar But let's move to Dallas silly or the argument over Dak Prescott contains the raids. Now one cowboys insider the Fort Worth Star is cleared. Seal says Dak is actually the MVP. The team he'll also call dishes cowboys consistently inconsistent and the same can be said about Dak Prescott. I'm skipping the rest of that and just say if Dacca's you MVP don't do this at fifteen eight interception you go. God you've had a disappointing season calculations mainly to advertise. We all get it. It's been a little rockier. Didn't expected affected but they had a turbulent summer and preparation is the separation so you guys edges starting workhorse running back in Kabo and I don't care what shape you in. You're not in football shape playing football we all know. That and Zeke didn't hit the ground running necessarily as first few games. He's on a good little tear here right now of recent note but that Prescott. MVP FIFTEEN TD's Prescott. I like the fact that consistent guy he he is the leader he is the performer that they can bank on this year consistently. I've been MVP on a two win team before the dolphins issue mvp out there Who you are doesn't matter by the record necessarily somebody's still out there? Getting it done and Dak is getting done when you five three. How can things be a disappointment? How can you quarterback back that you look at Dallas offensively? They're I in total offense fifth in points per game. That's a success offense itself I e men. VP is is it one of the top ten quarterbacks. He's the one that Thai whereas mystically the most wanted a top five quarterback eluding your is. He's not one of the top ten. But what what. He does on the top five quarterback. Steve Stop it no. I don't think it would be largely considered a disappointment. It's so far because of the inconsistency and I think you're looking at a superior rows last ceiling over your comments thank you you should you. Should you should limited opportunities. Opportunity depends on where I choose by glass ceiling. anyways you guys are some some. I mean this is very mean anyway. It would be largely considered to be disappointed. So far here here you go man. I'm not giving me the break man. I show we're Out of their super six game. Two quarters ratings go to mypillow the Super Six seven played offering a chance to win. Terry Bradshaw twenty five algae's with Marcellus. When are fans some money when the question for tonight's game wishing will win by? How many points who? You got your quarterback situation. Listen I love the raiders tonight. They're going to win by six points. You're getting the pointing a win by Nick. Derek Carr GonNa play will at very affordable price Arnold Schwarzenegger nigger voice dodgers. You know we get this game. We beat them four straight. And it's going to be five straight. You saw what happened last week. Get the Green Bay. Packers came in their hot all high and mighty Humboldt and is GonNa Happen to the raiders who are feeling good as well so I say scores twenty one to thirteen charges. Lavar treat you like a white pro bowl linebacker every go to pick. No I'm not gonNA treat you any differently than anybody else. I see what you're doing right locking. I'm not going to buy into your rhetoric. Cj would you like to Oh man. We're GONNA win tonight. CHARGES AFC west showdown. It's Philip rivers in the charges take on Derek Carr and the raiders it all starts at seven thirty eastern four thirty Pacific on Fox the NFL network and streaming on prime video uncle. Jimmy's here to Alba's talk about our approval rating for Derek Carr. Who plays tonight for the raiders? I I WHO's the big dummy of the day? You know you know your oh big dummy today go to the person to see it you always follow the head instead of the tale asset until you into she got from Columbia and go to Harvard area. Let's talk. Derek Carr who is having a dollar note and so far say that but before for the year there had been some questions about whether Jon Gruden was fully committed to car long-term permitted Marcellus. Jon Gruden car. Marriage will be long-term. No Oh this is not a shot but of record. He's a losing quarterback and I'm not Marin loser so four of his five seats I've been losing and is six one is at five hundred. So no he's going to obviously take them to Vegas. They're going to get all the branding marketing and the reception that they want and then they're going to look at this record for real say if view don't shape up we don't ship out completely disagree. I Love Derek Carr. He's at the right. Price is the best quarterback situation wasted. AFC West Jon Gruden or are you list. Let's listen to local Chucky isn't it just you can call me on Kentucky but let me tell you I'm one heck of a coachman I coach football okay just based on that alone. I'm going to tell you all all you guys. One thing you can bet your left butt cheek dirt cars the real deal man you know why the fees a grinder man he grind just and you know what that makes him. It makes him a grinder. Man I look here. Look here wit lot I heard you talking about the Han die earlier. Let let me say those are some damn fine cars there but have you ever driven one. Hey even you can get into one of those things. They're a huge. Let me tell you something. I see uncle Jimmy. Driving one of those things can't hint at least nice. Twenty six is on those things and you know what that makes me would make me grinder man. All you guys started. I was crazy back at the beginning of the season. And I told you guys. Would I say Camille who Amari. What Tonio Braille? Don't get me talking about this guy man. The Guy Burks feet man. Let me take up until today man. We really don't know how the hill. That Guy Burgess Feet Okay how the Hell you burn your feet man. I thought you people were supposed to be good at barbecue. They're not going would if you're with me L.. A. Man Look you don't sign up to be a raider man just to throw sand up the butterflies ass now. If you're with me let me say something. You don't put all the silver silver and black

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"Kevin Durant has confirmed surgery on his torn achilles the way that millennials do with Instagram Killys came as a complete shock Irving is gonna hit the market. He said by his agent. You might be teammates next year but he wouldn't be playing with game six NBA finals two nights. Tight. Oh my goodness. Over the Saint Louis blues. I. Our goal is to make the ecosystem football better fill. We think that we fit that mold alliance. No more there is no sponsorships. There is no marketing, there are no football employees. What what you see change your perception of abbey sporting events? Get this. This is outside the lines Ryan Smith here. How unlikely is the blue Stanley Cup win that and the inside story of the AFC rise, and fall, including the answer to this question with their founder, do it all over again? Those stories are coming up. But first, this big one. The latest chapter in Kevin Durant injury saga sakes, could be higher for the warriors tonight in game six season on the line in their last game. At oracle, the NBA's oldest arena with the raptors at championship point. But at least one aspect of their lives as clear their time finals MVP is on the mend Durant, Instagram yesterday that, yes, he did rupture his achilles. Saying, quote, I'm okay basketball is my biggest love and I wanted to be out there that night because that's what I do. I wanted to help my teammates on our quest for three peat adding, I know my brother's can get this game six and his warrior brothers are focused on getting this one for him just thinking about enjoying this last week show. Oracle, we're about to give fans expect fans be last they've ever been, especially in the name of Kevin, bringing his type of spirit, he would bring to the fight, and in the competitiveness, nor fans will do that, because we deserve, more importantly, Kevin does what he gave this team organization. All right. So for the latest on the story, let's welcome in the host of who collected podcast. Bryant went horse. So Brian minutes before Durant posted that message Steve Kerr, basically, said, look, we don't have any news on Durant. So the question everybody's asking is did he not tell them? Well, they didn't have any news for the media under rant, but I can assure you that they were well aware what was happening with Kevin. I think they just wanted to give him space to make his own announcement. Obviously, they were well aware that Kevin went to New York to get the MRI and the surgery they were keeping in constant contact with his agent. This is not unusual. In the NBA players. Go off to see their own surgeons all the time. It usually doesn't happen in this kind of stage and these kind of timing, that's a window. Okay. Well, that's good and kind of falls in line with the warriors have been saying all along. We're trying to respect Kevin Durant, and his process as well. Okay. So let's talk about Kyrie Irving. Let's talk about the dominoes that are falling at least as we hear with respect to free agency, reportedly. He's thinking about putting out. He's now taking on rock nation as his management company. Parting with his longtime agent, reading the tea leaves here. How do you think all of this affects Kyrie's future? Right. This is one of those things where timing. Seems very strange kyri it out had actually been thinking about this plotting this for some period of time, only he knows when he made the actual decision this had been his agent since his rookie year, though. And Jeff Wexler is a guy who has only had a few clients, in focus specifically on kyri. So it was surprising but not completely unexpected. The interesting thing is rock nation has close ties to the Brooklyn. Nets thrown by Jay z who obviously at one time was was a team owner of the nets the, the guy who leads the nets is brother is the president of, of rock nation. So there's a lot of connections here and you could make certain leaps. That said, I don't think that an agent representation they will determine just work really gonna play. But certainly Ryan tea leaves, as you said show, Kyrie Irving is headed towards Brooklyn. Okay. And speaking of another big time, free agent Leonard. How does Durant injury situation affect him? Good question Kawai sort of operates in his own orbit. You know, there's been a lot of talk about Durant, and Kyrie Irving teaming up. There's been talk about LeBron teaming up with players. There's been speculation that a team may try to sign a big free agent, then trade for Anthony Davis, specifically the New York Knicks. There's been none of that with coli he operates independently. He has a very small circle doesn't communicate a lot with other players in the league. So I think Kawai is going to do his thing. No matter what, what is that going to be or all waiting to find out? Oh, can't wait until free agency season starts these. It's not over yet. And we're already jumping, Ed. We can't help ourselves Brian. Thank you. And unbelievable journey. That was in last place on January third kept fighting. They kept scratching they kept on more than a half, century of waiting over St Louis blues. Cup champions, back home to say, say can't be more better. It's really everything we love about. What a see that was an in the thick of it was ESPN senior NHL writer. Gregoire shinsegei. He's finally right here with us after being in Boston last night. So good to see you, my friend. Thank you. Thank you, so put it in perspective for us. House apprising was the Stanley Cup victory for the blues. We'll consider the fact that the Saint Louis blues were in last place. In the entire National Hockey League on January second surged back with a new coach with a rookie goalie and Jordan bidding ten to make the playoffs, and then just rolled I mean one couple series that they weren't favored in, and then against the Boston Bruins got it out. The thing about this team that I'll always remember is overcoming adversity whether it's the wacky hand pass and overtime against the sharks. Or the fact that Bennington is now fourteen into after losses in his career. In the National Hockey League. This team just new head to park it when there was a versity. So what was it like being among the C Bruins fans with the blues doing what they do. It was quiet. The blue head in Boston. Often they knew it was the blues played exactly the road game. They had to play, you know, they had to play five on five. Don't go on the penalty kill against Boston who had the best power play since nineteen Eighty-one in the NHL. Don't go on the power play themselves because they were one for eighteen. They were horrible. So the game was played at even strength and the only way they're going to win this Cup is if they're like no penalties. And guess what? There was one penalty. It was a guy putting the puck over the glass for delay of game calling the first period. The game was played even if that was going to be the case. The blues were probably gonna win the game. That's exactly what happened. Okay. So I, I normally hate to do this, but I can't help it with the story of worse. I can the blues actually repeat next year. Is this lightning in a bottle, or do they really have a chance to run the table next? Jay got something. They got something there players, whether it's rhino riles thin, but can they really do it? They can their players are mostly under the age of twenty eight the kid Jordan, bidding ten that's the real question. Was that lightning in Bali isn't going to be the next? Patrick wa or is going to be next Cam ward, we don't quite know. But I do know this that. Kids got ice water in his veins and overall the scene. The core of it is still very strong. I think we might be hearing from blues again next season. I'll tell you what we'll be hearing from you a lot. Everybody thinks Greg now goes home and takes a nap for the next couple of months. No draft everything else coming up, you're always a busy man. Thanks for spending time with. Thanks for having me. Three weeks ago, C C Telfer made history becoming the first publicly out, trans woman to win an NCAA track and field title taking the four hundred hurdles by a second and a half and the two thousand nine hundred ninety two championships, but her road to the top has been anything but easy tell for initially competed in the men's category at division to Franklin Pierce college, but after transitioning took part in the women's competition for her senior year, since that time she has had to withstand the heckling and withering criticism of those contest or gender. She's faced vitriol online, the president's son tweeted that her success was a quote, grave injustice to women, what few understand, is that she is undergoing hormone replacement therapy, just to participate in the women's competition per NCAA rules. Let's bring the NCAA division to four hundred hurdles champ CC tougher. How's it feel when you hear that? Oh, gosh. Honestly, I'm still getting used to it. So it's, it's honestly, very breathtaking comforting because I did work hard for it and you weren't hard. And you had to endure a lot some of we've read that's been said to you online heckling. You've had to face. I can't imagine what that's like talk about what it was like for you to have to endure that during this rush of the championship. So my coaches really did a very good job at tackling that and really getting me as soon as soon as that race was over coming off the track there. Like I need you to stay off social media for like forty eight hours. So they were really like on it, since since the start, they had security guards there that I didn't even know about. And they were really different protection. So I didn't really see all of the negative all of the negativity. All the bashing the backlash from it. I had friends who did see that. And they did message me and tell me what was going on. And they were like we're here for you. They're giving it was all positive energy. And that's what does feeding off of. So I didn't really get to see the negative bashing the negativity. So, you know, I think the criticism that has been levied at you is that here you are doing this. You've got an advantage people say over cisgenders women, you've actually said it's the opposite. Yes about confirmed. So if not anything me competing against fits, genders, females is a disadvantage, because my body is going on, on going through so many medical implications. Like it's going through biochemistry changes. So being on Homer and placement therapy, it, it gives you. So you're most of the pollution, your muscle tear. You're eating you lose a lot of strength because testosterone is where you get your strength, your Gilady all that athletic stuff. So I have to work twice as hard to keep that strength. And if I slack a day, that's like three days set behind. So I have to continue to keep up my workout to keep on top of mice thing I can't drink. I can't like eat unhealthy or else it's going to impact me harder and going into the blocks. And people don't know running go into the box training. I get lightheaded. I get on dizziness nausea, like when that gun goes off and I that I step out. I lose all leg. I lose all like focus basically. I the dizziness is so intense that I really have to together, but like being an indoor championships. I, I got used to it and working working out in practices, and going through those tedious aggressive workout days. I my body's gotten used to it, and like I've gotten used to like. Handling and focusing on like how to stay straight and upright and for the first thirty seconds. I'm breathing in my getting into it, it becomes numb. I have to ask you this a little bit of time left. What is your message to others out there who maybe facing criticism over their identities? O rien. My message to others out there who are facing criticism over there is that to ignore it and to live their best life and their authentic life. Because nobody else is going to do that for them. And they know their true selves. So these they know who they are, and they should just be themselves because at the end of the day, there's no, there's, there's no time there's no time to be flaunting over something that you can't control. And people are always going to have an image of other people are going to have something to say and you can't change it because of their egotistical mentality. So you can't change it. So might as well just move on to move forward. Well said happy for you. Congratulations. Again, you glad you joined us today. Thank you, having the. Here's more stuff that matter six men, including the alleged gunman are in custody and several other suspects are still at large in the Sunday shooting. Former Red Sox star David Ortiz, in the Dominican Republic police are alleging that the man who coordinated the shooting off to four hundred thousand Dominican pesos or about seven eight hundred dollars to carry out the crime, but they declined to identify who offered the money. Meanwhile, according to update some more teases wife, Tiffany. Big Papi is in guarded condition, but as able to sit up and take some steps he remains in the intensive care unit in Boston, Mass General hospital. Kicked off with big fanfare and strong ratings two months later, the af filed for bankruptcy. How did it all fall apart inside story with wicker sham? I can't believe it. Let Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it get their loan to get there. I'll learn and get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button, do what's this button, do what's this? Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Outside the lines is brought to you by WalMart. Discover more ways to shop at WalMart today. In today's be blocked the rise and fall of the alliance of American football. A new football league seems to pop up every few years, there was the world football league in nineteen seventy four the USFL nineteen Eighty-three the XFL in two thousand one and the eleven by the way in two thousand fourteen this year, the alliance of American football launch, but like the others before it, it crafts, spectacularly ESPN Sedgwick or sham and Michael Rothstein explore the toxic mix of ego mismanagement and blind ambition along with the lack of financing that led to the meteoric fall of the af. Charlie ever saw seem to have the right pedigree to do something. No one else had successfully launch a spring football league that would complement not compete with the NFL the son of former NBC, sports, executive dick Ebersol, Charlie believed. His league would be a true alliance between the fans the players and the game. Welcome to the alliance of American football better known as the af. It was the summer of twenty seventeen Charlie met with former NFL GM, and then ESPN analyst Bill Polian in Cape Cod diner, provided, you can get the capital and the television coverage. It's workable, pulling and said. On March twentieth. Two thousand eighteen ever saw officially announced the. All it needed was money. Lots more money. The af was already behind schedule on everything from practice facilities to stadium leases, ever saw told Polian we gotta get this thing moving. Or we won't make it Reggie Fowler. A former USF fell linebacker was the league's primary investor. He made a fortune business, but also carried a questionable financial reputation in two thousand fourteen Fowler. Lost limited ownership stake in the Minnesota Vikings after it was reported that he had defaulted on financial obligations. In the spring of twenty eight team the alliance at tens of millions of dollars in the Bank. Nothing to the hundred and fifty million in needed Fowler offered one hundred seventy million despite Fowler's checkered past ever sold took the deal. Fowlers promised millions were mostly. In late December Ebersol confronted Fowler. This is not effing acceptable. He said, if you don't start properly funding us, I will shut the company down. But at eight PM on Christmas a thirteen million dollar deposit from Fowler arrived in the af account. It's a Christmas miracle Ebersol told his wife, whatever didn't know was that just months before the government had frozen chunk of Fowler's money as part of a forthcoming fraud indictment. He was ultimately arrested and pled, not guilty. On February ninth. The first af game kicked off on CBS the San Antonio commanders against the San Diego fleet. Ever saw had done it. However, the good times we're short lived within days. The alliance would miss its first payroll. Tom Dondon billionaire, owner of the NFL's Carolina, Hurricanes about the AFC plight and wasn't treat a fast agreement came together. Over the phone publicly said he was in for the long haul at two hundred and fifty million dollars privately key only committed to keeping af open on a weekly basis on buying the option. On Dunton told a confidante. He immediately ordered tens of millions in cuts. We can operate this league fifty million we'll have a league and business done. Didn't try to renegotiate a new deal with CBS and to partner with the NFL neither effort was successful. By April didn't hit spent seventy million dollars. But the league was still hemorrhaging cash, shutting down at five pm today would have done dissociates told ever. So we're announcing we're shutting down ever saw last. No, everyone is fired at five pm today. Lawsuits. Bankruptcy outraged abandoned employees in players. That's the AFC legacy from kickoff to crash fifty two days, but ever saw says, he wouldn't have done anything differently what I do it all over again, knowing exactly how it was going to end. Yes. A thousand times over. That is my point right there, the story by Seth and Michael RAF seen called inside the short unhappy life of the alliance of American football on ESPN dot com. A must read folks trust me. We got set here with us right now. So look set let's talk about this. There was all this talk about when the league failed all the pointing fingers who was at fault. Take us inside that discussion. You talked to ever saw you talked to others of what that process was like. Yeah. The process was chaotic, but at the end of the day, you saw the information on there on Reggie Fowler. I don't think they ever recovered from it at the end of the day they had to go against with man reported five hundred million dollars putting behind the XFL. They had nowhere near that money. And so they had to take the deal that Reggie offered. Looked good at the time. Charlie Ebersol said that he vetted his lawyers vetted. He had Felder meet with board members executives, even his dad, but at the end of the day, he didn't come through with the money when he was supposed to and they were never really able to. Cover from that. And what did done didn't say to you about his business decision to get involved with this, we'll look the lore of spring football is one of those things as you said a couple minutes ago. It's one of those things that people can't resist right at it has this many knows how the league's work. I mean, he's got his due diligence, what have told a confidant that he was a stupid decision. He said he didn't do enough to diligence. And, you know again Charlie ever saw had done. He had it was miraculous that he got the league off the ground. And that's the hard part, I think Dunton was intrigued by this. And he thought, hey look, if we can get a partnership with the NFL to be a true developmental league or if we can get a broadcast deal that's not a time by which is what those were then this thing might have a shot. And it was only when he got into it that he realized that the finances were way out of whack. He thought that they spent too much money on coaches and players and he didn't see this thing, succeeding, now one thing you. Highlighted. Your article is some of the cultural differences between guys like Ebersol of guys like Bill Polian talk about that, specifically when example around the draft. So there at the NFL combine twenty eighteen and they are nervous because the league hasn't launched yet they're trying to keep it secret. So they have a Bill is working for us at the time doing drafts all day long. They go to a private room at a restaurant, the turns out the private room surrounded by glass, they threw a fit they go to a different place, so they sit down. And they start talking about ideas for the inaugural. A after after the first idea that Polian has is for it to be like the US, F L, which is where he worked where teams hold the territorial rights to players. So Rick new highs Charlie ever. So they'll have a different idea where they want the players who are in demand to be able to pick their teams and pulling tired, he's just like what do they say? It's like the voice, and he's just like. And. Did not over. Well, it's the greatest show these red chairs and they turn around when they hear the voice that they like. But the singers can pick who they want to coach them in pulling was tired. He was irritable, Rick Schafer, who is there, who is the senior counsel to the said you could see the steam coming out of his ears and wholly into says, I can't take any more of this, and the discussion ended there about, what kind of draft goodness couple of how close were they really to becoming a developmental league for the NFL not close. You know, I think they hoped they were closer than they were. But the end of the day they were talking about unprecedented language that would go into the collective bargaining agreement. The might have taken months or years to get in the NFL PA didn't wanna do it. They felt like look you're talking about playing during our off players to play in the spring. That's the off season that we fought so hard to get them for. And if they get hurt who's going to, you know that could hurt their NFL gonna be a tough and the NFL. Meanwhile, is like you know, this isn't something that we do often because we can't be seen favoring one of these leagues over another. Do you trust law? So you know what? I don't think we've seen allows Charlie ever saw. But this is a great piece. Thank you. Thanks. All right. We'll be right back. Don't forget game six tonight at or call catching on ABC covers starts at eight thirty eastern. NFL live is.

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RTAB #138: A Postmortem of the AAF

The Business of Sports With Andrew Brandt

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RTAB #138: A Postmortem of the AAF

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Your online sportsbook experts, of course, exclusive partner of the podcast one sports net. Use promo code podcast one you receive that fifty percent sign of bonus. As soon as you sign up bed, online dot AG or sportsbook experts. Do something different here on the business of sports podcast as anyone following the business of sports knows the lions of American football has ceased operations as of this week as of Tuesday, April second players were sent home sent packing finding a way home on their own. And it turns out the league that was supposed to go ten weeks. Plus playoffs has ceased after eight weeks. It really is a dramatic shift compared to what was planned for the af and the early reviews which were so positive and nowhere. Did you hear? More about the potential of the league for its success than here on this business of sports podcast with myself because in February we had the two principles. We had Charlie ever saw the co founder of the league, you know, him as dick Ebersol son royalty in the world of sports television. And of course, we had the funder of the league that came in after week one. His name is Tom Dondon made million hundreds of millions of dollars in the subprime loan business in the car industry and then bought the Carolina Hurricanes. And now is was we'll be we'll see the chairman of the alliance of American football. He pulled the plug allegedly reportedly against the wishes of ever saw. And also co founder Bill Polian, who of course, has tremendous NFL routes. So the Lee has ceased operation it's a stunning turn of events. And what's? Running is the comparison of what just happened to what they said here on this podcast. So what I'm gonna do is play some clips I from Charlie ever saw an early February as the league kicked off the week after the Super Bowl and then from Tom Dunton who joined the league early in the season, perhaps even to make payroll in week two. And then, of course, talk about his investment. So that's what we'll do. We'll have some fun. We'll find out what it is that they said and talk about the way it went. We'll start with Charlie ever saw. And what Charlie talked about on this podcast was so much. He's a salesman of the house. What the business model was and how the investment was gonna work. So here's our first clip from Charlie Ebersol about the business model that they developed. We developed a business that was. A interesting business model if you focus not just dump abo-, but on technology, and if you could build something larger than just something football, and then I went to my father. And I said, look, the only thing that matters is quality football. You can have all you're going the best business model in the world. But if you don't have probably football, as this matter is interesting that he talked about two things their technology, and football technology seems to be an issue with this league. And we'll get back to that. When we hear about their Eappen their proprietary data gambling app, which seems to be in the in the mix here as to why they failed. But you know, the business model is interesting because they do talk about the football quality that seemed like it was pretty good and sort of the way they paid players in the way, they got on players in terms of contracts. He talked about that here every player in the league signs of three or contract with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars seventy thousand the first year eighty second one hundred third in addition to that contract, they signed a commercial license. Agreement which affords them the ability to earn bonuses for on field performance. If you're an offensive player in the offense scored a touchdown. And you get a bonus. If your team wins, you get a bonus. If you do charity work, you get a bonus. If you your team sells a jersey, you get a bonus. So on top of the non-guaranteed seventy thousand dollar contract this year, you probably and on top of that we give you a one year scholarship for every year. You plan our league to post secondary education. So we look at this as being a financial adventitious you make the most money in our league of any available turnip league. It's in the marketplace right now. So you see the model there? It was a three year contracts. Seventy eighty one hundred of course, they're not going to get to even the seventy because players played seven weeks, and we're paid seven thousand a week. That's what it comes out to. So each player's gonna end up with forty nine thousand dollars. He talked about these bonuses. If you score touchdown. Those kind of things team says jersey get a bonus on up that I get a scholarship. I never heard any of that stuff. And I. Told an agent, and he said, what are you talking about? So I'm not sure they made any of those things. And as I said, Charlie upper sauce, quite a salesman is this league kicked off you talked about this sort of on the top money beyond the seventy thousand they played week eight and no one expects to get paid for week. Eight people were told to fly Hong or draw find a way home so forty nine thousand gross comes out to whatever it is thirty to thirty five thousand net. These players have made for their seven weeks in the af there is no year to eighty thousand. There is no years three and one hundred thousand totaling two hundred fifty thousand so that three or contract for players on the roster all year ended up being forty nine thousand dollars instead of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So there's the reality would come out with again, the bonus on top for offense performance, the bonus for selling jerseys. The they one year scholarship post-secondary education. I don't think so it was all sales job speaking of sales job, then dick Ebersol. I'm sorry. Charlie herself talked about his relationships and how he's going to look into the technology and gaming part of it. Here's where he talks about as relationships around the world of sports might set of relationships, particularly at the league, you know, Commissioner level the Roger Goodell's and Adam silver's, etc. With helpful in helping technologists understand how that relationship between us and those league ultimately would prevail because we're not just looking for consumer adoption of our technology. We're looking for proven our technology for commercial relationships for the league's you'd be able to buy David set like them. Jim did an invest in the way that I'm Jim did. Yeah. It's interesting that he brings up his relationship with Roger Goodell, and Adam silver, I on Goodell. There was kind of a tentative relationship with the NFL here, which I thought was interesting mainly the NFL media NFL network showing these games. But did so. Seem to be hands off. Let's be clear. This was not a developmental league for the NFL in any official terms. And we hear about all these disputes with the NFL PA, whether we're gonna Lau players to go back and forth and players sign with the af could they play for the NFL all those kind of things, you know, to me the relationship with Goodell was strong, obviously dick Ebersol close with the NFL from all the years of covering it for NBC sports. But you know, I think it was kind of a hands off relationship as to Adam silver there, you get into the MGM and the gambling app and again more questions than answers about what the af was doing with its app and with gambling. He referenced the deals between the af. And I'm sorry between the NBA NFL with MGM seemed like that was a goal to sort of get aligned with the casino get aligned with a name brand. In Vegas in gambling. But that never happened to which kind of leads me to the real issue about the af. And listen, the real issue, and we'll get to Dondon in a minute. But this last clip from ever saw the real issue is funding. Forget about gambling app. Forget about NFL PA getting involved or not getting involved or approving contract transfers or not it's all about the money, and in this clip, which is really the money quotes here. Ebersol talks about having the funding Silicon Valley athletes, Shaquille O'Neal, all of that. And NFL managed at former NFL management for info players and that sounded like, hey, they got the cash so listen to this clip from Charlie oversall about the funding mechanisms for the af back in February. We also raised our money over the course of several rounds. So that we could diversify the type of investor. So we started with Silicon Valley we added onto so combined with investors like MGM we brought on high net. Investors we brought on current and former team owners from multiple different leagues we brought on athletes. You know, Shaquille O'Neal being a great example of one of our bigger names celebrity investors that was all by design because as the company grew like any technology companies evaluation. The company went up when we're able to sell significantly larger state, excuse me, smaller sticks to company for larger sums of money. And look this is a massive investment. You're talking about in hundreds of millions of dollars over the first five or six years ago this business out, and so you have to show them multiple ways in which they can get their money out of this. Because obviously people have attempted to do is run football have not succeeded in the past. And so how do you create that environment where they feel like they're gonna succeed the technology to media development, all the things were building. Which? All on by the parent company. They're investing in it least gives them some level of comfort. Okay. So Charlie oversaw talking about Silicon Valley investment talking about former athletes Shaquille O'Neal, talking about former NFL players management all the above and hundreds of millions of dollars and lo and behold this league needed a cash infusion to remember, they were there were all kinds of reports coming out, and of course, fuel by agents whose players were uncertain about getting paid in week two. This is where I have to look at ever saw as a great salesman talking about all this investment. But it didn't work. You know, I always worried about this league. Because of so, many, investors and investors have different priorities. Some wanna make money someone to be developmentally for the NFL. Some are all about the app and the gambling some are all about, you know, developing football in different markets and seeing of San Antonio can work or or Salt Lake. This is the problem with. Multiple investors. So we transitioned to one investor the white Knight arrives in early February. Tom Dondon, owner of the Carolina Hurricanes made hundreds of millions of dollars in the car loan business. And here he is. I had him on the podcast the new chairman of the alliance of American football. And he talks here first about why? And how he got involved in week two season. I seen this idea. And you know, for me, it wasn't investable because of the risk associated with sorting league. And we'll people like it, and we can get the quality and football to get viewers. And so that's not a it doesn't meet my risk tolerance. And then week one happened, and it was pretty impressive. What these guys accomplish? And so I got to see some things, and you know, they had a may. I think you know, they had commitments that for whatever reason. Whatever they were dealing with creating opportunity where someone like me could come in and take away their need to have to worry about capital anymore and just focus on, you know, continuing to improve the product which we've had a really good start. So that's how Tom gun got involved looked at it. He wasn't investable to begin with. But he looked at the metrics after week one, which we're very impressive. Remember back in week one Twitter. Love everyone loved it. It was withdraw from the Super Bowl. Nothing else. Going on spiked ratings at least relatively and this was taking off and lo and behold, they needed a cash infusion for whatever reason as I said, there was questions about the investment that was sold at least to me on this podcast in terms of being in robust and substantial but Dunton's in. So then I got into Dondon in terms of what his control what's his factor. Now is he the man, and he was very clear about that. In terms of who's in charge. In this really sort of broke down as we saw this week founders verse funder, the funder always wins. Let's hear done in about that. I've got control now in terms of, you know, I'm the I have final say on everything, you know, I have the capital that. Can take this things, you know, forward in a way that depending on how much we want to grow and how much we wanna innovate will determine how much of that capital is needed. But you know, it's it's the way I explained it's like any other business, right? As long as there's demand. You know, no reason to talk about there's no reason talk about the capital anymore because I don't need to raise it. You know, it's the it's in my Bank. So we're we're in really good shape. And now, it's going back and cleaning up everything. These guys did I have control of the majority control of the league. And I have the funding I've committed to the funding of the league. So as long as as long as. The league's performing there's there's unlimited amount of capital. We have more I have more capital than league needs. The money is literally the last issue on the table. Now. It's now about how do we keep people engaged with this brand and keep growing it? I think that's as clear as clear can be Tom Dondon took funnel control of the league. He put the money in the Bank. He became the chairman. And then the talk about a two hundred fifty million investment, which he wouldn't address. But like any investment, it's piecemeal? It's not going to be two hundred fifty million right away. That was never the issue. So what was interesting there is Tom Dunton talked about money being the last issue as full control, the guy's worth substantial funds. His unlimited resources money was not the issue. The issue was more the underperforming word to use. So he just kind of made it sound like as long as it's going the way it was in week one when he jumped in and saw the metrics, no problem. But obviously. Things change what we saw through the winter and early spring as everyone knows is you have competition, and that you four you of week one people turned away other things going on. You know, the NFL free agency came up myself. I'm a big football fan, but I turned away to sort of cover NFL free agency. And then, of course, the last three weekends March madness, which of course, the af had to intimidate. But maybe they thought they have enough momentum that people wouldn't turn away, you know? And I think lie I'm like a lot of people flip around on a Sunday night. Maybe saw the game watch for a few plays and checked out. What else was on? So I think that's what happen, and then this whole idea of underperforming again in this next and final clip will play from Dondon. He talked about no reason for this league to cease to exist. He had the money in the Bank. But then there are a little more morpheus words like underperforming and keeping up with where it was. So let's hear this last clip from Dondon about whether there would be a chance this league would not continue to exist. I don't think we're any different than any other business in the world as long as there's a reason to be in business. We're going to be in business, right? No, I don't make sense. But no narrative around it is just confusing for me. Because once I put my name on it and put my money in it. It's mine. It's like, why would it not exist? Does he? It's confusing for me because why would I not build a business that I owned so there it is Tom Dunn insane. Why would I not continue to build this business? Why would it cease to exist? Well, here we are the af has ceased to exist. Now, there's talk about some skeleton staff hanging around that's not going to happen. They're not going to reboot and Bill Polian has been out there saying it shut down. No one's here. He's very upset about it. Again, founders verse funder as I said on Twitter funder always wins. Tom Dunton, the funder who has not spoken. I tried to get him on the pod again. He's just he pulled. And I can only say that he pulled because of underperformance as he mentioned as he kept asking during the podcast. Why would I not do this? Well, the reports are did it to the tune of about seventy million of the reported two hundred fifty million that he had pledged that's a lot of money, but to him, you know, to keep it going. Whatever value. He got out of seven weeks. You know, so it's ten million a week that he funded. We'll see, you know. We'll see how he comes out looking after that. And what about the assets? Listen, these things are messy there. You know, my saying they're going to be lawyers and lawsuits coming out of this. I don't think a lawsuit will come out with the eighth week pay for players. Listen players were paid seven weeks. They're not paid for week eight their ascent home, find their way home. Good luck. If a player wants to sue the league for their seven thousand dollars in week eight, you know, spend two three thousand of it for a lawyer. That's not going to happen perhaps a class action about we eight we can sort of see that as a possibility. But I don't think the lawsuits will come for bigger picture items. What about hotels that had the teams had committed for three or four more weeks? What about transportation services? What about food services one about dealing with facilities and the stadiums? You know, this is a big operation, and maybe the alliance needed more time speak in a witch XFL. They have more time they announced about the same time as the alliance they're not starting till twenty twenty. In fact, their name is XFL twenty twenty. I've said this from the beginning. And I say it now, and I'm not a told you so here, but I'm saying it, again, they have always had a better chance of succeeding, the primary reason I talked about was investment, the so many divergent investors in the af that actually resulted in one investor kind of pushing aside the rest was never a model that could work very seamlessly. The advantage the XFL one investor one investor who has substantial resources his name is Vicks Vince McMahon the. W WWE money and low behold on the day. The af folded he reportedly cashed out McMahon about two hundred seventy million dollars the same investment of Dondon of is WWE stock that could easily fund the league for a couple years. We don't know their model. We don't know who they're going to sign if they're going to sign players under the three year rule of the NFL like Lawrence kit. Trevor Lawrence Clemson is going to be available. We can expect names again like Johnny Menzel. Maybe a Colin Kaepernick, you know, bigger names. We'll see what the funding is. We'll see what the salary cap is. If there's one we'll see if they allow player teams or not teams, but the league to spend more in certain players, I can tell you this good friend of mine is now to Commissioner, Oliver luck known to you, probably better Andrew's father, and he left basically the number two position at the NCAA. I would think deemed to be number one. When Mark Emmett retires. For this position. And I have heard his salary's north of ten million dollars. So this league is serious. This league is serious. I do give them a chance. I know everyone out there thinking any league that competes with the NFL not competes. I'm sorry that starts up beyond. The NFL is is deemed I'm sorry doomed from the start. Maybe I did think that about the af even though they had NFL royalty like Polian and television Royal to like ever saw. But I I think the XFL has got a real chance because they've got funding. It's all about the money. I always say that forget all this other stuff. They've got the money, and they'll make the TV deals, and they'll make the player deals, and they got a year to go and Oliver Lux been paid this big salary for couple years just to get this going, and they will have success. So that's my thoughts. We now. Put a post mortem on the af we look forward to the XFL. I'll have Oliver on the podcast at some point soon. And what a ride for eight weeks. Hope you enjoyed listening to those two different clip by podcast clips from the founder of the now defunct af Charlie oversaw and the funder of the now defunct af Tom Dunton finally a word from our sponsor that online we're in March madness. Now, you know that too big games of the year coming up on Saturday night. So get your sports net bracket challenge. In is presented by Ben online dot AG, March madness down to the final four this Saturday getting on all the action. Don't forget to use that promo code podcast. One bet online dot AG. Your online supports book experts. Fifty percent, welcome bonus through podcast one. Now, it's time to hear from you take questions every week. I've got one this week from my friend in Canada. Dan wa so let's hear from Denmark. Love to listen to your show when I'm walking or running my dog like I do. Now question about the owners meeting much spouting slash recruiting slash evaluating is going on of on the part of the personnel. When you have all the exact send their teams at these needing. How much is? Next year. I'm gonna look furnace in GM anex XYZ on next ABC last year, maybe forgiving the call. So. I don't know about their appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you didn't while you, and I really like the you're listening to me while walking and running with your dogs because that's when I listened by casts when unlocking my dogs or running I listen all kinds of podcasts. I tend to like some sports podcasts. Obviously Bill Simmons for my basketball fix enjoy him. But I listen to a lot of podcasts kind of about business self help those kind of things I was in the Tim Ferriss rish role. I really enjoy Gary the disorder about, you know, doing things getting better than I know. It sounds a little hokey a little out there while while will, but I do a cement and some fitness podcast with Ben greenfield ah, listen to some running podcasts on runner, so all of those things purple purple patch. I think it's called. But anyway, you didn't ask what podcast? Guests listen to. Yes. About the owners meetings. And yes, they just finished up in. Yes. Could good question about what goes on in there? And so many people talk about you know, the Rooney role in wasted network. Well, this is where it happens we have gatherings like the owners meetings with all the gyms and scouts and big big contingents from each team. And this is where he's sort of rub elbows. And this is where people call up at when there's hiring changes in their staff turnover. Like, yeah, you know, I spent time with him at the owners make good guy got along. Well, seem to think the same way you're exactly right done while this is how it happens where people will make changes in you know, where else are you going to spend time together with league personnel now. Yeah. On the scouting trail people run in new. There's there at Ohio State pro day or Miami pro day or Florida pro day in they see each other. And they talk or the hang out in the hotel or have breakfast before the scouts. But listen, this is something that does happen. And I always talk about the way the deals get done. Even try. Trade front is through relationships. And now you've got a collegial group of GM's around the league that know each other that came up through college scouting together. I think about the ones that I worked with in Green Bay alone. You know, you've got reg McKenzie's not in Oakland anymore. But he's in Miami Susan fluency in what they do. You got Dorsey in Cleveland, that's been everywhere. Everyone knows John Dorsey. He's along with Alonzo Heisman Elliott Wolff Green Bay south. They're all the Packer connections. And of course, John Schneider is in Seattle knows everyone league. Howie Roseman very connected throughout the league night. Got Bob Quinn in Detroit, Scott, the New England connections, and knowing the people there, so all these end, you know, Mickey Loomis in New Orleans has been around for ever Spillman in Minnesota been around for ever, these people know each other they've been doing business. With each other. So you're always gonna have these kind of deals happening, and what Greece's the skids, obviously is face to face collegial atmosphere. Sun-soaked locations by the pool by the bar it the built more in Arizona last week. So that's always going to be part of it. So it's a great question. And yes, absolutely. It does happen. And it happened last week at the NFL owners meetings. 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"That's right. It's Spain and fit sarahspain Jason Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. And NFL rumor mill continues to turn about a bunch of big name wide receivers about guys who are in the combine looking to get drafted quarterback on the move. And to get more information on all of it. We'll head to the shell Pennzoil performance where ESPN dot com senior NFL writer. Mike Sando joins us before we get to some of the other more breaking news. You had a story up in which you said, I can't imagine there being a worse year for free agency. Explain. Yeah. I think teams have gotten was a quote from fern office person in the league this looking at the last actually had list in front of me. And I was talking to people at the combine, and that was sort of a gut reaction. I think teams have done a better job of, you know, restarting their their guys. And so, yeah, you're just with between the franchise tag and the resigning 's I'm you're just not looking at a great group. So Mike, what do you do with that in a world where there are several teams in the NFL this year upwards of seventy million dollars in available cap money. Well, there's a couple of ways look at the cap money. Number one is it's not necessarily an authorization or a mandate spend cash and number two note all cap spaces created the same because some teams through rolling over unused space from previous. Here's how space, but they also have a lot of money committed. So like the colts and the jets both have around one hundred million dollars cap space, but the colts have way more cash committed next year. There's there's less of an expectation. They're going to be a big spender. You're just not going to spend as much money as you possibly. Can. It doesn't happen. The jets on the other hand could be a more active team. So, you know, it's interesting watch teams like the Rams, you know, the Rams are very interesting to me because like they were they were active in the veteran player market last year without being active in free agency. So they're trading for Marcus Peters, right there signing Sube nominee to who's been cut their trading for Brandin cooks. So like a team like that. That has Donna consumed come off the books issue. It's a fourteen million dollar slot. So are they, you know, going to be looking to acquire a player who fits into that those types of things to look for because there really aren't a lot of great players. You know, that are just going to be unrestricted free agents talking to NFL writer, Mike Sando you can follow him at Sando ESPN on Twitter. If you combine the top three agents, that's like levian bell. And then guys looking to be traded or who might be traded like Beckham junior. We're Antonio Brown. Do you think it helps the fact that they've got this potentially? Some question marks around them about their their desire to play diva behavior, etc. To think it helps the teams either trying to trade them require them that there aren't that many other big name game changers out there? You know? I think it does. And also helps is a are there any desperate Enes out there? There's degrees of desperation. But, you know, the jets situation with their GM, you know, you know, being up against a little bit this year. That's one. I don't think the forty Niners are in trouble like their coach GM are going lose their jobs. But I think there's been some big mutations that weren't built there. So Garoppolo is gonna come back, and it's really going to be important for everybody there. They have a good year. So, you know, that's a team called desperate or hungry or whatever. But I think there's going to be real pressure to win their those with the factors. I think that can drive. The some of the bigger numbers in free agency. So we're talking to Mike Sando on the shell Pennzoil performance on ESPN dot com. Senior NFL writer, Mike when you think about a old L Beckham junior in Antonio Brown. Both have you been able to sort of figure out what the trade value should be for those types of players. Yeah. For Beckham, there's L real impetus for the giants to get rid of them. You know, there's there's no conflict like there is with uncomfortable situation. So I think they've got to get a huge hall to move in on. They've signed him relatively recently. Yeah. You know, there's been some swear. He was a distraction, but for the most part no-one feigns a bad guy or he's ruining the locker room. You know, he's exactly what you want on your team star playmaker. So I think the price there you've got to go, you know, more than a first round pick. Right. It's got to be a couple of them. It's going to be a player involved to me. Someone just gotta blow away the giants for Antonio Brown. I feel like the price is lower. And I mean, they they sort of have to get rid of them. And they've doubled down their support for Ben Rothlisberger whose relationship with Tonio Brown. Obviously isn't great. So, you know, maybe they try to get a first, but are lucky to get a second. If they do get a I do they have to give up something with him, you know, to sort of lower that price. And then you see that where? Yeah, we got a first round pick for Antonio Brown. And they don't really mentioned that we gave back third or fourth. I think those the price for him would be lower. ESPN dot com. Senior NFL writer Mike Sando on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Landon Collins really surprising that the giants didn't franchise tag and hang onto him. He's a three time pro bowler only twenty five when teams are looking at him. Are they just assuming that Gettleman and the giants don't know what they're doing or have some secret plan or do they assume that there's something wrong with this guy that we don't know about? And that's why they let him walk. Well, I think no I think they look into it investigated and watch the tape. You know, I think that's that's the key evaluation. I don't think that there's any any hidden thing with Landon Collins, where he's, you know, somebody you don't want your team, they're making valuation with how much money it's gonna cost apparently in saying it's not worth putting on a tag. Well, I think there's other teams see a guy who's you know, in his mid twenties. And yes, he's not a multidimensional safety. Who's going to run side is inside thank coverage, but for a specific role. I think teams are going to like him. I think you could. Easily. See, you know, that's the type that. He's he would he say ideal type of guy you want to start him because he's young. So I'd be watching for him to have a good market. Wouldn't be surprised if a if a, you know on the come rising team is trying to improve on defense like the coal. You know, we're we're involved with him. But we'll just have to wait and see Mike. Is there anybody that stands out to you that you think is going to be particularly active next week when everything gets rolling? Yeah. To me. I think I mentioned the jets. I think there's an impetus there to stands. So they're an obvious one. San Francisco, I mentioned, I think has the motivation this year to do it. And like you said the Rams are intriguing to me because they're always up to something. I think they're going to try to work system. They ended up coming out of last year's frenzy with two complex this year. Which is usually what you get for not being active yet. They were as active anybody, so always looked to see them. And I kind of a wildcard team that doesn't have it hasn't had the great cap space, but has always sort of found a way to do something. I think Philly's interesting not huge spending screed, but they could be they could do something that, you know, catches your attention quickly before we let you go Santa. We're talking to Mike Sando. He can follow him at Santo ESPN on Twitter it Spain in fits does. The fact that there are fewer free agents big free agents out there is that is that any way possible going to change draft day in terms of teams needing to make more deals too. Get things done than they can just go out on the free agency market and get them. You mean making deals around the draft like trading draft picks, get guys. Yeah. I think so. And the thing that's happened is essentially doesn't seventeen those compensatory picks. They ended up thirty two every year, you can trade them. So I think that is also feeding the increase in activity, and you know, there's a few younger jeans. I think we were just more open to doing that sort of thing. So yeah, I think I think the NFL opened for business, and we have focused so much on free agency free agency for injury. But there's other ways to get players. It's it's not discrepancy and dragons moving those picks to get better and guys it's happened more widely. I think you're right. You're gonna see that again. Awesome steph. Appreciate the time. Mike. Thanks, mike. Thank you. Mike Sando brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today coming up on Spain and fits a great idea in the moment, or maybe it was the plan all along find out next fainting fits on ESPN radio. So when the af started we all. Chose a team based solely on name in my in my case uniform one player, you've heard of how'd you pick your team fits I do a weekly hit with my buddies Jason John on ninety two nine in Memphis. So about this half. No, well, just about sports in general. And so it was like, wow, you know, are invested that. No, no, no. We hang out friend yet. We hang out every Monday on their show and Memphis in in national have a lot of love. So it came down to Birmingham and Memphis for me because they they are the two closest teams to Nashville, and I pick Memphis because I love the Jason John. I love my guys. They got the wrong choice, though, Birmingham much better than Memphis at this point. I went with the Salt Lake stallions because it's a cool name, and we uniforms and helmets. I have no idea how they're doing. I can't name a player. I'm just people. Ask me that's my team. Now. That's how I went with it. But anyway, the has made some interesting headlines since the beginning one with some great ratings the first week to with the. Inability to meet payroll by the second week three with a. A millionaire billionaire stepping in to provide the money to keep them going and take over as the new chairman within the first couple weeks of it being in existence. And now we're hearing that the connection between the AFL and the NFL might not just be that. They're games around the NFL network might not just be that. If you're an af player who plays exceedingly. Well, you can get out of your contract. If you get an NFL one that's always been part of the deal. It's not just that. Now, we're hearing via Bill Polian that the NFL an af might be coming together to create sort of a feeder system that if you are an NFL team, and you've got maybe say a number three quarterback or some other players from the bottom half of the roster and developmental squads. And you want him to get some more reps. You can send him to af franchises in order to do. So now, this is not that surprising for those of us who have already seen the connections between the af and the NFL in ways that do not exist with other. Upstart leagues. This is never been a competitor to the NFL. It has always seemed like a partnership, but it is surprising fits if you try to dive in deep to the details of how you would accomplish having players be able to go back and forth. Here's the thing to me. I love the idea of a minor league. Feeding system for the NFL frankly is a fan of a team that usually stinks. It would lease give me hope because I could look at it and say, well, you know, what we've got a farm system that's coming up. And I I like some of the guys there, and we're about to get better. There's a lot that I like about it. But suddenly assigning the to that role makes no sense. Because one thing we have to keep in mind is that if they want to be a feeder system for the NFL, the NFL has got to be highly involved, and I don't just mean with the players. I mean with every element of it. I mean, isn't it the best way to start getting better qualified coaches to send coaches into an off season where they can coach they had back when they had the world league of American football like send NFL team, affiliated coaches down. And let them work with the talent. Let let teams feed the talent. Through having your own league. That's also a feeder to the other league doesn't make any sense. It's like the two teams, the two entities would have to work together in absolute harmony, and the NFL would have to dictate everything for this to make sense, the NFL would absolutely have to because think about it this way, you have a NFL coach who has been number of years at the professional level in in Fisher with the Rams who as soon as he was gone, and we got Sean McVay in there the quarterback Jared Goff takes massive step forward. And that's the difference between one professional NFL coach to another imagine sending a developing young quarterback down to the af entrusting that whoever's coaching down. There is going to give him the right habits is going to teach him the right way. I'm not saying that they wouldn't being be able to. But the idea that the NFL teams would trust their players down there with development with injury protection with the proper training staff with the number of reps. They're getting and there aren't enough teams yet. Now, let's say you decided, okay. We're not gonna sign one. Af team Porenta Felton. Instead, you're going to have you know, per division. Let's say you a four four so teams per af. Which developing guys get the reps. How many reps do they get if I've got a young running back? I don't want him to be run to death there. I want him to get the reps necessary to get better. But you know, who's drawing the line there? And who's looking out for the best interest is at the best interest of the team. They're on or the one they're going to go to later if they develop into a good player well into the end of the coaching, wouldn't you want values? Memphis is an example might single Terry is the head coach of the Memphis express. If we wanna feeder system where my where the the express meant to feed, let's say the entire AFC south or or the titans either way wouldn't you want coaches on that staff that are actually on the staff of those other teams like what I would want is my quarterbacks coach to go down and be an offensive coordinator, my offense, coordinator, go down and being head coach and let everybody sort of learned the processes in that other league since it's not taking place during the NFL season. Everybody get their opportunity that. Then a fulltime job. Right. One hundred percent. I mean, but that's the way that's the way you can look at it from a structure and say, okay as a raiders fan if the Reno raiders are -ffiliated with Vegas. Then all of a sudden, you're coaches, get better your players. Get better your practice squad gets reps. Now, it makes sense. But but having an unaffiliated af team from Arizona suddenly feed into the west coast teams that doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yeah. And listen it's Spain Jason Fitz Spain infants on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty we've sort of seen since the beginning that people are saying this could be a little bit like the NBA G league. This could be a little bit like a great place for people to earn a second chance. It's not even it's it's in some in some ways people would say, maybe better than the CFO. If you're trying to get that second chance, the problem is is that if it's not fully, it's it's not a fully fleshed at idea, if it's just well, we could get some agreement with the NFL where they. They can come up if they play well enough, or maybe we could send this player down from some reps. Like, you said if it's not fully agreed upon with coaching reps amount that they can hit each other training staffs. It's a disaster. It's ever going to have it reeks of desperation to me. Honestly rigs like they put a product up it's doing, okay. And now they're turning around. And they're saying, hey, NFL come bias come by us. We wanna make money and just fold ourselves into the NFL. It just feels like it feels so thirsty for attention. At this point. It feels like there's just looking for a big paycheck right now, they can get them out of wherever they are. And get them where they want to be. We don't they want names. They want more names that people are excited about because they're already attached to a team than you could say, okay, let's say you've got a guy who's the backup to drew Brees tastes them. Hell, right. He could be an alliance franchise QB for a year or two get some reps prove to people what he can do knowing that he's not gonna step up in place of drew Brees. But first of all what if he gets hurt? Right right in in a kind of meaningless af game. But at least in that case, there'd be a bunch of saints fans invested in seeing if this is going to be there next guy, and that's how it can help the af. But I don't know how much actually helps the NFL player. Well, absolutely. And you know, if the reps are what matter you need reps against great opponents, you need reps against great. You gotta get better practice, right? And one of the things we've heard a lot from af commentators is the backups. Don't get enough reps during the season. That's fine that I'll make sense, but I will go back to the first time ever went to the senior bowl down in mobile, Alabama. I was talking to one of the guys that works in scouting for another team and his comment about the coaching. That was being given at the senior bowl as man. I don't wanna see coaches work these kids. I just wanna see basic drills because I don't want a single minute of bad coaching from them. That's at the senior bowl. Imagine going to an AFC game. And watching coach from another team that you have no attachment to. And you just feel like he's ruining your your backup. Quarterback. I mean, these are the moments. That's why none of it works. The only part of it that works in any way, shape or form is getting a big old fat check in -ffiliated from the NFL. And if that's all you're going for from the af at least be transparent and just tell us that from the get-go instead of asking us to buy into something well on the part that would appeal to the NFL PA would be some extra paychecks for lower level NFL players, right? So they might get extra compensation. But what are the injury settlements are those handled by the NFL who has a lot more money or by the af right service time, a cruel. You have to think about that. How does that affect does? It affect them in any way at the NFL level until I think the issue like you said is it can't be a partial partnership and Bill Polian saying that the talks about trading players is ramping up. There could be a whole lot of conversations. This could have been the point from the start. And we're just going to hear about it when it's all done. But if not it's not going to be something that's going to happen overnight. And ultimately, I think if it does happen. It's going to happen. The way the NFL wants it to happen. And they're not gonna want to concede. Anybody else? Had a great idea. I just can't see the NFL coming in and saying, you know, what good work. We'll take it from here. They'd rather build it from scratch. Yeah. I mean, that's probably not going to happen. Although who who's to say who would be the mastermind behind this again, it might be the NFL, and maybe looking at college football and the need for another feeder system, eventually long-term down the road, it could replace it altogether. But I don't think so it's Spain and Jason Fitz coming up with collar Murray a bust at the NFL combine or not Charley Casserly first reported the critiques of Murray. And the former GM is going to join us to explain what was said. And why he believes the people who said it next. It's Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz. Lots of talk about the comments that Charley Casserly sourced out of the combine on Kyle marine. We're the bottom of it. Yes. PM radio's presented by progressive insurance with more than thirty unique coverage options available progressive, no. No small business. Learn more at progressivecommercial dot com. Happy welcome in former NFL GM, Charley Casserly on the shell Pennzoil performance on. You can see him now on the NFL network. Charlie we use apprised at the amount of pushback on the source comments about Kyla Marie? You shared the other day. Ovid supplies by it. I think it's a little bit non Newsday's. What happens? I guess. Itself. Because here's the thing. I mean, I've seen these things before. And I was quite surprised. Nobody else picked up on it to be honest with you. So the interview was five days ago. What would that being said, Charlie? I mean, you're a former NFL GM. So I found it interesting when you when you commented on leadership and study habits that were identified as a problem in the interview process you've been in a lot of these interviews, how do you identify that? When you're talking to a player in the room. Well, leadership is the mayor and presentation and study habits could be come from the interview and asking him sipping question about how he prepared for game and comments a person would meet now, here's the thing. Big picture is it's a fifteen minute interview. No team's gonna make a decision on a fifteen minutes interview. The point is he went in the multiple interviews and did not do. Well, that's that's the statement everything else after that. I don't know. Where you know, where would come from where he'll comments about a different things with me. The reality is that were following up with taping Allison of him. And how his skill set will transfer into any successful quarterback in the NFL nowhere in there that I say anything about my opinion of its ability. What I was doing was resenting with other people. So in the interview, which was a good interview talking to Charlie Casserly. You can follow him on Twitter at Charley Casserly, sources told him. That Cuyler Murray's interviews at the combine did not go. Well, multiple sources were there any concerns for you about alterior motives on behalf of your sources for this information, knowing what we know about how often things are said and passed on in order to help or hurt other teams zero because I know the sources that simple that's stuff about well. They're a set me up to say things to fact other teams. That's ridiculous. I know the people. I know I know how they think there's no question. They told me the truth zero question. So Charlie with that being said, we're talking to Charlie Casserly. You can check out the NFL networks. NFL free agent free agency frenzy. Coverage Sunday at one pm eastern when it kicks off when when you think about sort of the interview process versus the tape from a former GM standpoint, how do you wait if an interview goes poorly? What you saw during that fifteen minutes versus what you've seen when you break down the film on Kyla Murray. Well, the thing you have to understand is that the tape is ninety percent of the great. So that's the first thing. The interview is important. I mean, not gonna hire somebody while. But to combine interview is the beginning of the process if I was a team I would be spending released one whole day. Kyla Mauri at the school and the bring them into offices. So we'd have at least two days with him to do anything we wanted to. Although it's on the field in the classroom at cetera. So that that's the thing that is lost in this. This is only the beginning of the process. But what he does on the field is the most important thing right now you're trying to team you're trying to separate him Dwayne Haskins. I and maybe do quarterback. That's what you're trying to do between the three guys talking to former NFL GM, Charley Casserly on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Charlie knowing what we do about Cuyler Murray. A to sport drafted professional athlete guy who balanced those things at the Cleveland level. Atop system under Lincoln Riley. How surprised were you to be told that he didn't have good study habits and that the board work was bad? I was led to believe by somebody in baseball that he was not going to interview. Well, so when I got the reports it didn't surprise me based on that. I don't have an expectation about an interview if I haven't talked to anybody before him without him. So you know, when I was in the NFL before we did any interview we had a book on every guy going into it on questions. They ask them based on our sources in our research. So that's the way we approached it in the NFL now, I'm obviously not in the NFL more have access to that information. Charlie if you were the GM of the cardinals right now sitting with the first overall pick would you consider Kyla Murray? Or would you stick with with Rosen? Here's the way I'd approach. I would not trade rose. Let's start with that. I if if I teams berry, then I'd rath- Murray. I mean, Kingsbury is the creative mind that that's what these being sold as he is sold on Barry. I got that is terrific quarterback. When you watch the tape. Let's go if we're going to be creative, and you know, start a new trend in something or be a head of the curve. Let's go do it. But bows, and I took give him away for third round draft choice. I wouldn't do that throw outlast yet. If you look at God GOP didn't wanna games Lookie here. We didn't look very good. Get a better team. Maybe they gave us some players change, the coaches and all of a sudden gops a Pro Bowl player Rosen has talent. He was arguably the most talented player lashes right dropped because you know, of whether it's injury issues personality issues, but Kingsbury is is what they say is. He'll take Rosen making the player say so I wouldn't give away a quarterback. Nobody's guaranteed. Success? Murray's questionably body villain holding up. And I am sure canes very will design the right office forum. Stain infant sarahspain and Jason Fitz. Talking to former NFL GM, Charley Casserly, you can see him. Now on the NFL network, Charlie in more recent years, we've been a lot more upfront and open and having conversations about how African American quarterbacks might be judged or perceived differently especially during combine interviews in their prep for the NFL. What do you say to people who think that these comments from from those who met with Kyle Mary might have something to do with his race? It's a joke. If there's any truth to maybe viewing African American quarterbacks differently. We think that's something of the past only. I know who I talked to and I'll leave it attach. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. Somebody wants to make an accusation. They need to point to the person and proved the accusation. Well. Zero zero truth. That's a joke. Even raise the question. Well, it's at least a conversation that's happening. And I think without making any implications or any accusations at all with the conversation being having happening. Raises twice the question raises an accusation. Well, no because it's not true. It does my point is I know who I talked to I guarantee you those people are colorblind. That's the answer. We're looking for them because we we are aware of the ways that perceptions can affect people even subconsciously how come and do you think it is Charlie for different teams to have completely different reactions at the same player. If we see the cardinals go ahead and take Calum Murray number one that that presumes that his interviews felt very different to them than those who thought he'd tanked him. Well. Well, I think if they take them number one it's based on Kingsbury and Murray has said okay on the record. He would take this guy with the first pick in the draft. Now, he wasn't the cardinals coach then, but you can tell the cardinals have changed their demeanor on this thing. First of all I reported and Steve Weiss show NFL network also reported the cardinals are shopping rose. All right. But let's just think from the outside in of what's going on. I they tell people in the interview Rosen is our quarterback. That's it. All right. Then they make the statement Rosen as our quarterback then it's for now. Then it's we still now we haven't made a decision. So they've changed their tune completely on what they say. That doesn't mean you can't do that. But when we asked the question, do we think they'll do it? And why would you change your tune? If you're not gonna do it or thinking of it. And it did a thing is not that this is gonna affect anything. But the agent for Murray is also pains Burs agent that usually is a marriage. Yeah. And it certainly sounds like Kingsbury is giving us little hints. Of course. Like you mentioned. They were before he became the head coach. Thanks so much for the time. Charlie really. Appreciate it. Charlie. Thanks. Okay. Good to be with you know, it's air Spain and Jason Fitz. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty really thankful to Charlie for joining us there fits it's really interesting answers. I thought his reaction to the question about whether people think that there's any connection to Kyla Murray's race was a little defensive if he's certain that the people aren't thinking that then that seems like an easy answer. The only hard part is that if you feel like you're being accused of being part of a racist culture. Then are you defensive in response to that? Because I probably would I could see where that would make me defensive too though. I mean, I it's difficult. It's it's different. And if you're hearing that and not able to respond them by the time, you get the answer to a chance to give an answer. You might be frustrated. That's totally possible can always send us your reactions to the interview and the rest of the show on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at sarahspain at Jason Fitz at Spain fits straight ahead. We'll give you more thoughts on that. And can you split a bobble head into? We'll explain next benefits. Sarahspain and Jason Fitz hanging out with you on ESPN radio the SPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty brought to you by Uber. Uber rewards is gonna make you love. Uber. Even more get all the. Info and terms at Uber dot com slash rewards. Good conversation with Charley Casserly, a respect him for coming on with us after that story sort of blew up. And at one point I thought he might hang up on me. You left me the tough questions. I appreciate that. Well, you have things like journalists integrity. Right. I'm just a moron. So I just sit back and say, hey, Cuyler. How how would you like I? But I do have to say all kidding aside. Charlie coming on. And I think it's important. We had to ask the race question. Because frankly, it's minute conversation on every show on every network everywhere. You look ever since this news broke. And I think it would be it'd be blind us to not at least to address it with Charlie. So I give them a lot of credit for for hanging in with us and not backing away from it and being willing to have the conversation. That's not easy to do. Yeah. I agree. And listen, we'll Cain. Dominic Foxworth on the show earlier today, and they were kind of talking about it back and forth. And I think listen it can be. Frustrating for people who don't see race issues. Very commonly to hear about them. And think that they're brought up too often. Now, I think as is the case with a lot of issues whether it's the metoo movement or race or anything else. A lot of stuff was happening that people kept quiet about or didn't feel like they had a voice on. So it's not people looking to insert it all the time where it doesn't fit. It's the fact that it fits in a lot of places, and we used to ignore it. And so I think having an open conversation about whether or not some of the things willing around Kyle Murray might have to do with race is better than simply trying to you know, tamp it down and not discuss it because we've seen this in the past. I mentioned it yesterday, you know, Lamar Jackson. There have been white players who have been told to play a different position. But it happens far more rarely well, and how do we fix that we fix that by having more and more conversation about right? And I listened to will today. And I I do want to say, I think that this isn't one of those moments where one side is right one sides wrong. I know I was. Listening to so much of it. And it's like it's possible that yes, this is conscious or subconscious that there is a racial portion of of anything that's going on with Kyla Murray to Will's point. It's also possible that all of this happened and the he didn't have a good combine. And maybe any of that could be the truth, but it would be blind for us not to at least analyze all of it for what it could be in this situation to figure out sort of the way the way it's been handled how it should be handled. And is it being handled the right way, unless we have those conversations we have no idea. So I commend again Charlie for coming on. I thought willing Dominique today had a really interesting conversation from both sides of it for you know. And I thought I thought both of them had smart things to say. Agreed. It's been infant sarahspain and Jason Fitz. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. I did around the horn earlier today, we're going to get into little after the horn later, but a story that popped up that had me cracking up was about a Braves promotional calendar event. There have a. Bunch of bobble head days. Bunch of guys got their own bobbleheads as you would expect since most of the time bobblehead is just one player. But there are two guys on the Braves Dan's be Swanson and Charlie Culbertson, and they could almost be twins. They both are infielders for the Braves. They've got the nice set ahead lettuce that comes out of the back of their cap. Very similar features very similar faces even sometimes their own teammates can't tell them apart. So they decided instead of giving them separate bobbleheads. They would just make one. And so it literally is says swan Burson it has a half red half. White jersey half SOX up half knows. No high socks. It's got a little bit more beard action on one side than the other. But it is a bobblehead that is split between the two almost like old school Boy, George style. But you know, to baseball players is this fair foul foul this picture of it. And this thing is a monstrosity. Okay. Nobody nobody wants to happen half bobblehead as a as a toy collector. I don't want. Bob, look a Spain and Fitz bobblehead night is a perfect idea, by the way, Hartford you goats hit us up. Yeah. I think I would rather have that sad sad moment. That would be my reality. Where most of the people that get the Jason Fitz one walked back up to the person and say, hey, can I trade that out for a sarahspain? I'd rather have that than have a half Z's bobblehead that makes everybody uncomfortable. And that's what it would do. That's what this does. It's very uncomfortable for me. I think it's funny and awesome. Because here's why everybody's got bobblehead night. I've had a bobble. Well, not you. Everybody has bob'll at night, and especially when you're a professional player, it's cool to have a bobblehead night. But it's cooler to stand out from the crowd when everybody in their mom is how to bobblehead, but nobody has had a combination bobblehead, then that's extra special. I think it's funny. I think it's great. I think the only weird thing would be if one or the other got traded before their day happens. Go. Goma God that would be I need that to happen. Now. Like does it still count? Like when your friends are like, oh, have you ever had a bobble head night? And you're like half a one does that still. I mean, there's being on a on a bobblehead still equal. Yeah. I mean, you would know I would not. I mean again, I've never had one. But you know, I think I just think the half-and-half thing I keep looking at the pictures. You sent us a picture the picture of it is just it's frightening. It is not it is not okay to have a half bobble. I think it's pretty cool. I guess the question is what if you were a massive Braves fan and dance be Swanson was your absolute favorite player and Charlie Culbertson was your absolutely favorite player. What do you do? Then do you take a sought to it? Then you're walking around with the creepy. November rain guns and roses video deep cut. Look it up half body bobblehead. That is amazing that you've just went. You remember that? Yes. That is first of all she got hit by lightening. And it was perfectly in half. Which is amazing. Like the fact that she was sliced directly an app by the lightning bolt and they needed us that mirror pain in her coffin perfect. I still listen to November rain whenever it comes on. And I'm angry at the radio station that plays it if they cut it down like the album's rain like I did. I need minutes of all your your back is I remember his kid hearing, November rain in the car, and I heard the orchestra, and I looked at my mom, and I was like, you know, what I wanna do that someday? I think that's really cool. My mom was like you're not gonna do that turns out playing on a bunch of records like that. So I always think in November rain when when I hear that string section c it's it's the tight you just made. Now, I'm all in on these bobbleheads. Like he won me over the now, you're in half. Axel Hass slash now. We're talking about a bobblehead befall. It takes is for there to be a massive, you know, rainstorm that hits a wedding reception slices the bride completely in half. So that there's a half mirror. Tactic. Get you on board with the double bobblehead. The nets good for me. I'm gonna put it out on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. I'm going to ask the people. Can you have a dance be Swanson, Charlie Culbertson, joint bobblehead that reads on the bottom of it swan Burson is I knew like now I wanna half-and-half it's like Penn and teller at once like whether none the same size. So it really looks awkward like that's that's when when you mentioned earlier Spain and Fitz bobblehead night. I thought you were going like I mentioned before the Boy, George we'd be half and half me, which would be especially where it because you have all torso and no legs and short arms, and I am all legs and very long arms. It would look like a formative like kids kids would actually throw it away. It'd be like we would scare people away for generation it. No, no, no. That's what it's supposed to. Oh that is that is remarkable. I can't even now this is all I want I want oddly sized. Yeah. Give me give me like Damien. Woody Brian Holland. It's in the same on Suzy kolber. Oh, my God even Bamyan Woody Suzy kolber bobblehead double let us know on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed, if you think this name or okay, also while you're at it Google Brady fecal F E G L if you want to be really weirded out by two baseball players who look alike guys look the same. They're of the same name. They did a DNA test. They are not related, but this is going to blow your mind, Google Brady Figo and thank me later coming up on Spain and Fitz as the bron- turned into a superstar without a home. Plus the move everyone expected the Lakers to make and they've made it coming up next.

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"All right. It is time for fast track. We do this every day at this time. I've got questions for Ben. He's got him for me. They don't necessarily have to be about sports can be about anything you want it. Sponsored by Rex thinking of selling your home. Try wrecks the lowest fee full service agency, saving home sellers, twenty five grand on average. If Rex doesn't sell your home in sixty days, they'll introduce you to your next agent to get started. Visit Rex homes dot com. We always start with a ceremonial coin flip, Ben we're gonna make it easy tonight. This short handed Lakers. Find a way to beat the Knicks anyway, or you're young upstart New York Knicks pull off a rare road victory. Call it near I'm going with a Knicks loss in a close one for the ages because that isn't win as we're vying for Zion. Sorry, I gotta go to Lakers, man. Well, that's what you. I'm gonna go to defer because with that comes home advantage. A British company is working on a new generation of smart chips that imbed artificial intelligence inside devices. One of these chips is being targeted to smell. It's going to be able to smell the chip the ideas that the chips will be small and cheap enough to be built into clothing allowing a I to keep tabs on your body odor throughout the day. The. The e knows as they're calling. It is part of a project called plastic armpit in which small chips will be made from sheets of plastic each chip will have eight different sensors and a built in machine learning circuit. Now will this be a hit or miss chips that measure your body odor? Do you think people will want a chip to determine whether or not they smell fun? They won't person doesn't. And that's my wife. Wearable, tack is terrifying. In our household more EMF's more connection to robots less connection from nature. Not good for us. Why we don't sleep? Why we don't I why we manifest disease? So there will be people out there who start putting robots on their bodies to determine if they stink or not. And they'll be other people out there say, you know, what I should probably just take a shower. Need a robot to tell me, I smell gross. I feel gross. Yeah. I lied to be more in tune with their own bodies not have reliant machines to tell them how they're feeling that they're sick. And is this a real problem? I mean. I put iota and on after I take shower, and I think I'm fine. I mean, isn't doesn't that the promote into Europe to the morning show? The annual time John for my favorite game on this show with the Coachella lineup just announce punches play great compla- Coachella band or strain of weed. Here we go band, or is this type I type of weed red headed stranger are they playing Coachella or they gonna be playing the crowd at Coachella. Greg red headed stranger. I'm going with a strain of weed. Funchess sounds like a ban Sinaga break the tie. I'm with Greg. I think it's a strain of weed funches. You are incorrect that is a type of sativa or so I am told. One for one Bergman what's dusky is dusky aband- or fun. We'd stream sounds like a weed strain. Now to me that sounds like a man, I'll go banned. Yeah. It sounds like a band keeps playing on Sunday. For to ski guy over here. Still Rusi kind of marijuana. Or is that a band that's playing coach Showa, right? It's my turn woozy that's got to be a strain of marijuana, Greg. That's a band strain of weed if you driving up to the Coachella valley, you wanna get there early on Friday to see still refers. Jack Herrera has Jack Herrera artist or see a strain of marijuana Jack Herrera Greg that sounds like an artist. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with artists. Artists. I'm with him. I think it's an artist. Jack, rare is inspired a lot of artists. Jack career is a marijuana super organism the super organism type of weed or ban. This playing Coachella guys find I believe that's a ban. I think it's a we strain of weed. I think it's a band there playing Saturday on. Last one here. I mean, I could do this all day 'cause I don't know any of these bands. And I know some of these traits Rico nasty, it's going on with Rico nasty. I think that's a strain elite. He's playing Coachella. That's a that's a strain playing Coachella on God. Funchess guy, Rico, nasty Coachella. Get your tickets this morning. All right. We talked about this. Well, let's see this one Patrick Mahomes has a love of ketchup. It went viral this month on ESPN story that noted he likes to catch up on everything he eats, including steak, he puts on MAC and cheese pretty much everything. So last week Mahomes signed an endorsement deal with hunt's ketchup. He's going to start doing commercials for huts. Now, let's say I'm going to pay you Ben lines to endorse any product, you get to pick what you want to endorse, but you have to pick something what endorsement deal fits you the best. What do you use? It would be a good thing for you to do commercials that the saying he loves catch up. So he probably wouldn't love that. I would want to refer back to my first fasttrack question. So let me go the different product place. I, you know, me golf balls. I lose enough of them. Have let me have an endorsement deal with a golf ball that is affordable to lose. And that is a formal the by and can get the casual player hooked on the game. Because you know, I'm always the guy the group is they got an extra ball the day. Like a Quinlan everybody our team lost a lot in Hawaii. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. Golfer streak, all falls or something in the Gulf space. I would love to have a partnership with. I know I was conning LeBron for walking into the arena with wine, but I'm starting to get more into it as I'm getting older. And I love finding out about local vineyards here in California. So if there's something up in Santa Barbara that needed a boost, I would I got married at vineyard tree unfo- creek. So I'd love to do an endorsement deal with the tree unfo- wine the start hosting some wine clubs at our house that could do that for me. It's easy chops say meat pork chop said. And I'm szeswith pork chops. Nobody else I know is obsessed with for chops. If you have a good I'm going to Minnesota Tamar. That's like pork chop. Stop. And but here's the decision. I need to make which is a very interesting one the NFL playoffs are going on. And I think it's a really good game. I think it Seahawks. Cowboys going tomorrow night, do I bale Cowboys and go to JD Hoyts the pork chop. Shop TV at Hoyts chop in watch the game. That's the ultimate John Ireland. I'm on the road kind of having going outside in Minnesota as. But it is picture and this attractive heard you guys talk about that pork chop ad nauseam. I'll take a picture of if I would go with the poor. But here's a true story about about JD Hoyts located directly next to I've never been in it. But there's always a first look like Hoyts here the next door over strip joint. So there's some alliteration see players out there if you know what I mean. All right. So your better half, John she's making the trip to Sundance my favorite place on earth. I've been there fourteen years in a row. This is her. This is your first time at Sundance. Now. I know lease is not the Sinophile that I am. But it's important to me when people do come to Sunday into they actually see a movie. So I went to morning they opened up the tickets for press, and I was able to secure a bunch of tickets. Okay. I wanna go through the synopsis of the films, and you tell me if Lisa will be interested in taking the slope. Okay. Time away from partying with diplo to actually go and see some indicate got it once called Honey boy it stars Shiloh buff and Lucas hedges to stunning collaboration between Shiloh buff. Who wrote the film and director named alma paints, a powerful, and painful, and inspirational story of growing up the son of a clown which Shaya did in northern California. Well, I know that you have a good relationship with Shaya. So you could probably give Lisa some info inside info at that movie. But I think clowns creeper out, so I guess he'll stay like this one. It's called late night. It stars Emma Thompson and Mindy Cailing and Mattamy is a pioneer and legendary late night talk show hosts on the circuit. She's of cues of being a woman who hates other women. So she hires Mindy Cailing to be the lead woman in her writer's room done. She's ended likes both those people. She'll do it for sure. All in for Lisa. Ireland tickets for Saturday morning nine AM depends. How big she does say. That's the key to Sunday's got Vernon of both ends Lisa. All right. The sunlit route sunlit nights the sunlit night summer is off to a terrible start for Francis. Played by Jenny slate her art project fails her boyfriend, kicks Arauz or younger sisters, getting engaged. So she signs up to go by yourself to art program in Norway would lease. I wanna see that movie. I that's v. Fifty fifty the second one for sure. No, I think she'd go to go to the movie before she go to the Jenny slate movie. So I'll say, no, Jon Hamm. Adam drivers starting out matter. Go ahead about nine eleven and the CIA those guys are, okay. There you go and halston documentary about the fashion designer very famous in New York seventies and eighties kind of nightlife scene and halston. Okay. She goes. Yeah. Gonna last one here velvet buzzsaw starring Jake. John hall. It's written by Dan Gilroy. He did June all in night crawler to be tough and weird. And yeah, I like tonight Carletto fleece aside. I I would say probably on that. Because Jake Jilin also goes we'll Lisa actually see a movie at Sundance. I'll get her a ticket. We'll get her the times. Yeah. Depends. If you can get all over nutjob friends in there, you know, it's like the Ireland plus eight plays. Headache for the we the girl she's going with are all solid. I just don't know who she's going to meet when she gets there. So. But isn't a wild trip? Cheers in the crowd kind of collective, oh, it's I mean from the Wu Tang clan to just yet Chastain two girls. She's going with really fun. Could be an interesting thing. All right, which one do I wanna do here. All right. Patrick and Kyle Flynn are two brothers. Who are both New York giant football fans. They filed a first amendment lawsuit last week against the city of Santa Clara, the Santa Clara Clara stadium authority and a bunch of other entities. Plus the cops who yanked out of the first row Levi stadium during a twenty seventeen giants forty Niners game at the center of the lawsuit is the claim that the browser should be allowed to tell giants players that they quote effing suck in quote and middle finger, the plants plaintiffs are informed, and this is part of the lawsuit. Plaintiffs are informed believe in. And they're on a ledge that it was not and is not a crime to stand up flip off the players on the field. I e flip the bird, and outwardly yell you f ING suck. And if you were on the jury in this case, Ben lines, would you find four or against the Flynn, brother? These surprise, man. I actually think these dudes are crossing the real fan lifeline going too far. You gotta keep it PG. I know football games are collection of people being the worst version of themselves. But, you know, this is bills mafia culture jets culture seeping into giants culture lets you know, how bad the very prestigious and the New York Giants brand my dad's been a lifelong giants fan. It's like the Lakers or like the Yankees. It's kind of older fan base in a more well to do fan base in the city has had so much success with the giants were the bills and the jets and New York state. It's kind of rougher fan base. This is part of their culture outside with the team on this. When you can't have guys. Stadium. Cursing and cursing off the players look. Everybody's not calling on to be creative. When I yell. Ricky Rubio and say, hey, you look like you're at Hogwarts reunion, and he laughs that okay? Because he looks like a grownup Harry Potter kid, but if your car seeing dome the view people bring their kids much because they're going to go in the stands, and they're going to say something back to you. And no fan wants that. I'm with you. I find favour of the team. Sorry, Flynn brothers. If you wanna go yell and scream and stay home and watch the game on your seventy inch TV. I I'm with you. You can't let it won't. Once you start using the F word liberally, you lose. All right. John on Christmas day, the New York. Knicks started a lineup of Emmanuel moody. Kevin Knox, Trey Burke, Mitchell Robinson, and I believe Noah von lay or Tim Hardaway junior one of those five that's the five would they win in a game against the team that the Knicks started in the movie. Eddie coached by Whoopi Goldberg. Fox's on that team. Jon south Wayne Schnitzer, slain senses, Mark Jackson, recipes Maliki Sealy and Greg Oeser tag with the team from Eddie coached by Whoopi Goldberg beat the team that the Knicks put on the floor on national television to kick off the NBA's Christmas day covering laws. You know, Ben have been with the Lakers for more than twenty years. And one thing I've learned you can never go wrong going on the side of Rick Fox. If you stay with Rick, Fox good things will happen to you. So I say yes, now, honest answer. What do you think? I honestly think that even Eddie's really solid. The silly was a great pro at Minnesota Timberwolves. And we lost them way too soon in a car crash was great at Saint John. Mark jackson. I don't know if he is a hall of Famer he's no little short by one of the all-time great point guards and top assist leader. That's better than anybody. The Knicks rolled out and point guard and folly fifteen years John Sally towards the end of his career, and Eddie, but give you energy off the bench. And like you said Rick Fox that guy just wins at life and Eddie Franklin Gela. He wrote a horse. He was the owner of the Nixon that movie. James Dolan is a part of a horse. I want to go with the team in Eddie over the team on Christmas day. All right. Ben, French explorer, John Jacques crank Neil Akina. No, I wish John jocks Evine is trying to cross the Atlantic Ocean in orange barrel. Savino took off from Spain's Canary islands this week for a month long trip. He hopes will take him all the way to the Caribbean. Propelled only by ocean currents the barrel is made from resin coated plywood and is designed to protect him not only from the elements, but also possible attacks by orca whales. It has about sixty five square feet of living space enough room to sleep cook and store Savino goods which include wine. It also includes a small window from which he can watch the fish below him. Savini a former paratrooper in park ranger is documenting his trip. On facebook. Which one of these phrases best describes what Savino is doing. Fascinating cool and exciting or be ridiculous stupid and incredibly boring air advocating, cool and exciting. These types of adventurers are almost thing of the past. These explores these people push the human condition and human achievement not in a barrel. But someone who actually just did that sale is former NBA champion Boris Diaw. While I tweeted it out over the holidays Boris Diaw now that he's retired has been exploring his passion for wildlife photography. So he did a transcontinental sale from the Canary Islands and documented his journey on YouTube, and it's beautiful now voice the made sixty million dollars in the NBA. So his boat is rather nice. And there's a crew, and he went scuba diving with the whales, and it's very I think this is inspiring, man. I gotta be honest. There's a guy named John Fairfax who in nineteen sixty nine was the first person to row solo across an ocean. Right. He awry. He arrived in Florida. And that day he that day. He hosted a beauty pageant in Florida after being on the seaman for six months. We have a moment of honesty here. Out in your mind who wants to go across the Atlantic Ocean. And in orange with this guy. On the shore rooting them on. I think it's incredible. The guy in free solo doesn't have this documentary climbs El capitain without dumbest, right? You you want to go in and orange barrel for six months across the Atlantic Ocean. No, no chance whatsoever. Scooping. Here's something I'm really I haven't talked about publicly, but it's something I'm working on that doesn't involve barrel. Does it? Well, it might involve an orange boat. I want to kayak from San Francisco to Los Angeles. I want to do with my brother-in-law. I wanna find a sponsor. I've been starting to chart the route. And I wanna ride with the current from San Francisco in a kayak to Santa Monica. I will literally fly you first class on United to not do that you find the up to San Francisco. I have no San Francisco, and then I want. Well, I wanted to exactly the same. A when you I went to play in the Klay Thompson charity golf tournament. I want you to travel exactly the same way dead on a plane fly up and fly back that is the dumbest knocking around. About it. I'm going to brands about sponsorship. We're gonna document calling wise guy the mineral this show is over. She's a mound girl adventure. Good. John. Is you've ever had. Let's see got one more for you here. Over the holiday, John. I was sad to hear the news that a distant cousin of mine passed away. Name was Bob Einstein. Bob, sleep a minute you'll related to to super day. Yeah. I didn't know him. But my dad tells me I was a distant cousin somehow. Luckily, little little weird. You just hit on it. But little weird thing Albert Brooks, the actor his his given name was Albert Einstein. Right. So we're somehow connected to the family. Clearly, it is not. Rubbed off on me in any way, this cousin of mine sorry to see him pass away. But I love his story in that he was able to reinvent himself and to have homeless the second career as Marty Funkhouser. And he was of course, super Dave Osborne. Who is this character in the late eighties nineties? I was making fun of evil knievel. He would pop a Nike ads, and he was the super Dave character who's the stunt. And who is a system Yoshi that goes crazy. So John, I'm always fascinated with people who have a career doing one thing and are able to switch gears and have another career doing something else. Still an actor. But he was always super Dave right off to a whole generation. He's mardi funchiess Funkhouser who are the people in life or pop culture who have been successful doing one thing. And then been able to be very successful doing something else that you've always said, wow, I really want to give that person a tip of the cap. That's a good question. I suppose somebody that is but Ronald Reagan was very accomplished actor sports cast. And then it was a sportscaster. Then became president. I think that's really cool. I work with a guy like that right now. We're tells Bennett playing the NFL for ten plus years. Now, he creates animation in art and children's books, and he's created an artist people have second careers bright in. It's interesting to see you. Remember, John tash wrote the nineties and actually was a was a classical musician ROY Firestone. The sports caster actually does a one man traveling show. That's not about sports that he was a classically trained musician. But then also hosted entertainment tonight. So people are able to do one thing. And then do something that's totally different. Yeah. It John Brody the old forty Niner quarterback ended up playing on the pro golf tour. Straight say like I'd like to be good at one thing to do that. Well, enough good at being John Ireland. Yeah, that's our Jack of all tray. Master of California. Yeah. The best example of that would be somebody that like always reminded life is short. Appreciate every moment. But then you think about it life is long, and you can do a lot of different things. Sam Jackson wasn't in movies until later in his life. How many now he's moving? Everybody just shot three by the time. We started this radio show. So I love the idea of reinvention, and I want to say a big shot on some. I guess distant cousin Marty Funkhouser. All right. Let's wrap up check with a game. Greg. You could play funchess. You can play. Ben. We just got done with the college football bowl season. I have a list of ten bowl games. Some of these are actual bowls that were played at some point in the past not necessarily this year. But they were actually played others on this list. I completely made up. So you guys tell me real or fake bowl game? All right bowl game. Number one. The Aloha airlines pineapple bowl. Ben is that real or fake? I gotta get that on the. The assignments sheet for next year that sounds like a real one, Greg. Good time dealer fake the Aloha bowl was real. But I'm gonna say it's fake. Okay. Fun. I'm gonna say rue the only person who got that. Right. Was Greg Burke completely made it up. All right, number two, the famous Idaho potato bowl, the famous Idaho potato bowl fund, real or fake. That's definitely -able. You'd think that is. Definitely -able. All right. Gregg, was it. It's the actually the famous I will read it again, the famous Idaho potato bowl you made that up. Greg. I'm sorry famous Idaho potato that is a bowl this. How? The famous part. You're y'all have one correct? All right. Who went first at ten fund. She went I Greg the salad bowl. Really? Fake fake. All right. Fudge definitely van. That's fake. Come on. Cares role wrong. The salad bowl existed for nineteen forty seven to nineteen fifty five played in Phoenix. That's what I wanna see you all on the history of the salad. All remain tied at one. All right. The John Deere tractor ball. Absolutely. Okay. Greg going. Yes. Yes. Completely made it up. Oh way. The judge. Go and Google it. It may be John Deere sponsor, two different fault. There's no such thing as tractor vol. I completely made up. All right, next one the perky. Big jerky bull the perky big jerky. Bullpen that's not going. Fake or keeping jerky. Great. There was a jerky bowl. So I'm gonna say yes time and be real can be real saying fake fake. Greg. I made it up. There was wasn't jerky. Bullet one point. Okay. The go. Daddy dot com. Bowl. Funchess the go. Daddy dot com. Definitely -able. Okay. You're going daddy football sponsorship thing. Yeah. I'm are Greg. You're into on that because they're all correct. That was bowl from twenty eleven twenty thirteen. All right. The jelly belly candy cane bowl then the jelly belly candy cane bowl. Now, you're going. No, I'm going grass valley. So silly. I'm it is yours is fun. I'm gonna say a bowl. Did somebody say no I did. Yeah. No, Ben your career. I completely made up. Jelly belly penny bowl right now. Then as four funchess has three and Greg has to Noma both their links Burke jerky new those jerky. Bill was no perking. All right three more the Tyson vacuum cheetah bowl Greg Tyson vacuum cheetah bowl. I'm so bad at this. I'm going with that. It's not a real not a real bull of fun. Not a real not a real bend Tyson was turkeys. I'm saying no-ball that's fake Tyson's turkeys. Dyson is is e is the thing. But you guys are. All right. I made up the cheetah ble. Did anybody say that was real now? All right. So you guys all got that. Right. All right. Greg S three lingual. Then has five are two left the bat. Bo. The bad boy mowers Gasparilla bowl, Greg. The vad voi- mowers gas for relevant. We didn't have the track there. So we have to have the mower say, yes, you're going. Yes. Futch I'll say, yes. Definitely -able fired up to being the gas goes there bowl, or whatever that thing. John ironed say that's a bowl. You guys are all Karan's actual, Laura. All right. As always the last one is worth two which gives anyone at chance Greg s for fun chess five Ben has six for all the marbles. The Benny HANA teriyaki bowl, Ben true or false their few things John I enjoy in life as much as a night out at Beni HANA. I know you gotta burn your clothes after they smell. But I love any Ana this is not a bowl. There's never been any Hannibal Abedi Hannah teriyaki bowl Greg to have a chance to win. Yes. Of course. It's a ball. I'm gonna say, no, not -able, ladies and gentlemen, your winter. Then it's not a bowl. I want buckle for so long. I've often had the banana Ana teriyaki bowl. But no that is not a Rockies choice. That's that's the best. You get the lobster, shrimp and the state extra mustard. Yeah. Can't get enough of it. All right that wraps up fasttrack been lines in for Mason and Ireland ESPN LA, speaking of prints. We just told the Carlos boozer print story. What a special data's tonight. We'll be finals preview my like Klay ever, add some little you're gonna tell the grandkids. You were the night. You saw manual moody. It's can you imagine. When is it going to happen? The New York LA finals again last time that happened was set was that sixty seventy early seventies the seventies, right or just three. I think they maybe twice. I can remember you you were warned you to happen against foreign. You're correct. No, Michael, the seventy two Lakers with Gail Goodrich and Jerry West didn't they beat the Nixon? The finally did the Knicks beat them twice after that. Yeah. The Knicks are up to one against the Lakers in the final storied rivalry. So many great memories over the years like Chris Childs punching Koby remember that that was the last time. I think the Lakers went on that run in the playoffs when they ripped off four zero. I mean every. The Knicks on April twenty just about every year in the eighties. The Knicks were relevant or in the late eighties and early nice Jordan was around, but they just couldn't be Jordan. But they were relevant when they had Patrick Ewing. What's happened to your franchise? It's been a snowball effect of dark energy. Vortex that is surrounding thirty four th and that has sucked all hope and life. It's like going to a planet that has certain Ellen joins walk the dolans own the Knicks forever. They were Goodman that Charles. And Jim were there such a different one? So it's a big loss. NBA Knicks aren't title contender. Mike, I was trying to explain it the audience. Why is it that we still you? And I get so excited to do a game in Madison Square Garden when the Knicks stink when they stink. That's a great question because they sell out even though they have been horrible the last decade. It's a sold out arena. Obviously New Yorkers love basketball out shopping time. I asked a New Yorker, I says as New York Giants town or is it a Yankee town, and they told me this New York Knicks town the city, it's a Knicks town city down because unlike Los Angeles, which is so spread out and has beautiful baseball field longer fields and football fields. Your real estate is at a premium. All you got us basketball clear. So the city you can't walk more and five strong in any direction without finding a hoop somewhere. So it's the city a-. And a lot of businesses are a giant flush is in the middle of downtown right down and middle of Manhattan. People come from work like. Stop it into the game before they go home. So the energy that energy got tickets every player every player. No matter how bad Knicks all can wait to play their. It's New York City's a whole vibe in the city Ireland, even the bad defense that love their basketball. And if the Knicks, which they are there to see they're still wanna see the opposition, especially in the big team show up. Yeah. It is a very unique building. And it's it's really fun. So Mike licet earlier. Couple of things I wanted to ask you about if you're just tuning in Ben lines, filming for Mace, Michael. And I have laid we know. Day exciting day for the city. John, Michael, we've got Eric Garcetti naming this Knicks Lakers day gave a key to Emmanuel Mooney. People are outside just celebrating this phenomenal NBA finals preview. We're going tonight. You're eighty no of von lay on the courts. It's going to be amazing. New York transplants are gonna beat is a thousands of Knicks fans will be in the building today curious to see who shows up Jerry Ferrara. Bryan, Greenberg might not show up tonight. Why not? I just feel this, gene. Win. There's no Brown. It's been such a terrible terrible, lashing places pack with sure. Ben lines will be a night. Michael baker's, first of all, I assuming you watch that unbelievable game last night hard. I was your son was right on top of heart and writing dream on with on the other has heartened gun into the Kobe zone where the defense really doesn't matter. He's just gonna make Schatz anywhere. Seems like he has a lot of I took twenty three threes last night. So he's got to make so. Mike. Okay. Think about this Michael didn't take twenty three threes in his career. That's the second most threes in the history of attempt by play took the most Klay twenty four. Fourteen of twenty four and harmless ten twenty three if anybody's going to break Claes fourteen may three is going to be because he's gonna take he's going to have thirty three's one game top three point shooters back in the nineties wouldn't take twenty three in a week to week area or in a week. Reggie Miller didn't take in a week maybe four game so five or six and again that was a lie, but heart last night. Yeah. What he's doing is legendary what he's doing. And he's right up there as far as scoring you can put him up there with Michael Jordan Kobe any of the great scores ever played the game. I posted that tweet last night. Michael if the NBA had a one on one tournament who would win it. Yeah. You think Durant out why I said Katie easy because he so long he so athletic. He crosses you over. He stems he has all the tools and basketball. He scores easier than any player of ever seen play this game. And it's his shot is so pure inside outside post up. He's got the most versatile of all those one on one place. Now, one of those guys can win who who you guys named because it all depends on a day, this how great these players are from Damian limits. Kyrie Irving to staff K D, James harden, anybody could beat you on any given day LeBron and it's going to happen. Anybody's played basketball against your boys. One on one you've lost it and they've beaten that's just not a game is in one on one. But I think the favored going in if you had him seated Katie would be seeded number one. All right. So our buddy Dave Smith who we've all done radio shows with and who's done radio in L A and elsewhere just texted me, he said a few months ago. I did a who would win an NBA one on one. Tournament topic on my show and had an NBA GM and coach on is a guest. He said, no question. Lou Williams would win lose the contention. Yes, Luca score. Man. He is professional score that I wouldn't take. I wouldn't take them lightly. I like anyone else. Beijing mentioned depending on the day any of them could get hot that day and beat you. That's all Steph. He's the best combination of dribbling passing and shooting. We've ever seen. What's his name? I guess you right shooting. He has the edge of a kyri. Kyrie's the best one on one player. Passer if not a better pastor than kyri I'd say, but you don't need passing on that comedy. What's passing? Passing. But for recombination for Durant. Best combination of height lengthened scanner skill you shooting touch in length put that under skin I than scale. I wouldn't take you picked Janas honest. Can't shoot relentless. All you. Gotta do is. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. You back off. Well, I guess he could bowl rush the small guys to the basket. But guys all the key. He takes one dribble back to half court and gets four. Four. Okay. So Michael the all-star ballots came out today. And this is just the first ballot in all change. But right now they played the game tomorrow, the two captains would be LeBron and Jaanus I pick you take into K D. You can't lose either way. I mean, all once you, well, I would go. Yeah. But if you took Davis, I wouldn't call you crazy. That's fine. Ben, I'm gonna Derrick rose grows. Wind nine mix it up because again, the teams are going to wash out have amazing guys. Look was in the mix right has been amazing. He would be a starter at their heart. About that. Luke hate every time. I listen, I can't help it every time. I see the Sacramento Kings. They got to be kicking themselves. They have to be been they had this kid number two pick and look team in the league to foreigners rang at patient and foreign odor. I like by. We don't get me wrong. He's gonna be a nice player. But Donncha is going to be special is is fascinating. Because he looks like me, but he plays like you like how is that possible? He says player like he's a world-class player. He's like looks like he hanging out me and my buddies. Yeah, I'm a Catholic drinking beers. Video games. Right. Look at his body. Look at a soft and puffy boy. So man. Beat Georgia that smitty the special man, I I don't understand how to kings past him of. I just don't get it. The hawks fine on the stand. What what are you guys watching when you watch these guys play? And here's the thing the hawks deep take him traded the pick trae young as nice, but he Steph curry Lucas, Lucas special bag. One year Portland. And Chicago did us at the top of the draft. Chicago originally drafted the Marcus Aldridge, and I think Portland tyrus Thomas. And then they swapped and Thomas is out of the league in four years. All thought it just like, but I think Jerry Krause did that deal. Right. I think it was if I might be mistaken, but give Krause credit because he drafted Poland's and traded him for Scotty Pippin old in Ponti shout out. My dad listening my dad's favorite all time player pollen dad's videos that guy. All right, Michael's hanging out with this Ben lines in for me. A reminder legalzoom can help you with any legal entanglement that you're in. I've use legalzoom to help start a corporation years ago. Easy money. Legalzoom is saving. I think. When I tried to start a company without legalzoom it cost me upwards of five thousand dollars legalzoom did it for less than a thousand bucks. That's why they're so valuable. They have a network of independent attorneys licensed in all fifty states from wills to trust to LLC's trademarks contract reviews and more legalzoom has helped more than four million people and the best part is legal terms. Not a law firm. So you won't get charged by the hour. Make this a year, you do the right thing. 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He's one of those Greek bath houses, Rick Pitino is a top target of influential boosters to be the next head men's basketball coach at UCLA an industry source told me Casey Wasserman, and John Branka a graduate of the UCLA law school in an entertainment lawyer who is the co executor of the Michael Jackson state. Both want Patino the source said, quote, they're going after Patino, that's their number one choice who the source said Casey Wasserman is the most powerful person at UCLA the source added. He runs everything. Meantime, a source close to Patino said quote, he is very interested in the job. Ben what? That's me who's running UCLA UCLA the boosters right run every square, gene. I had a great quote for about college last Disney. Every university has multiple boosters at university of Texas. They just have one hundred. So these boosters are the ones who are calling the shot and running the program, and they're the same ones who wanted out for it or they wanna see offered same ones who wanted Ben Howland or the same ones who wanted this the next big name. Okay. Okay. We're up on Sesame Street. You wanna everything speaking both that you guys? Yeah. Real world learning you as UCLA disappointed you as a father of professional who had to sit in the living room coaches and guys come in. And right sell their program. You. What made Klay decide to go to Washington a big bag of money because Tino was the only Pac twelve school at one of them. You think when these coaches walked, and you think I was looking at them as Billy Graham, come on. You gotta be realistic, man. These guys all I says give my kid of chess plate and keep them out of trouble. That's all I care travel, and he can't do that. But Tito candidates exactly my point. Thank you, keep abandoned. Trouble fan was brought in the university campus on what he leaned keep them out of their brothels on every campus note, I mean, yes, then between that brothel and one that you frequent her at Michigan. Michigan. Michigan anything like that? No way. What like that? There was no around that. There was. Michigan with every every school thrill. They have when you go into recruiting trip. If you're a star athlete you gonna recruiting trip. You have came. I get the. Unquote, lovely. There's always a name. But it's always a girl to show you around campus and nine times out of ten they end up being friends with that girl. But if you know what I mean. Okay, John, and you guys are just going to sit back in two thousand nine hundred and be like, yeah. That's all good. Let's get more of that going on our university. If that means we here's a serious question for that's why we are having all these. Okay. Let's assume for the sake that this guy Andre McGee who set up the brothel at Louisville, and I give you that Patino hired him, and he's work. But that Rick didn't know and Andrea MaGee did this now Rick should have known. I grant you that. But why does he get punished for that rather than celebrated for all the kids? He graduated and led to different schools. He's the only coach in the country ever to lead two different schools to national championship Kentucky and Louis is not an alibi. Okay. Just because you didn't know when you should know that doesn't mean you're off the hook. He should've known. It should be involved in the lives of his players, and his coaches and what's going on with his team. That's what any sensible coach would do. I don't buy this urban Meyer. Well, my wife didn't tell me about my assistant coach beating his wife. I didn't know you have to know. That's your job. That's why you're paid millions of dollars to help raise young men. Like, this is so dumb to me that. But I think Tino has raised some young men that did right? They were other ones. Like Andrea McGee. It went south. I if he didn't know this this shouldn't be the way his career ends. If he really didn't know the the the fact that UCLA one of the premier jobs, and all the sport is it should be if highway. Who went there? I would hold it that way that's how I hold the university of Michigan football job. Right. Him Harbaugh is a great fit for that. Now. Sure. Does he do? Shady stuff behind the scenes that I don't know about probably and is ignorance and alibi for me. No. But when I do know about it, and it's something on the level of the things, I know about Rick Pitino. I don't want that versity my school turn back the clock. You had three boys who went on to play professional sports. If Rick Pitino came into your house right now new, and you knew everything that Ben knows about Rick Pitino and said Michael have made some mistakes in the pasture. But I'm a great coach. I'm gonna turn your sons in NBA players. Would you have a problem them playing Rick Pitino if they want to go there? No because I don't Rick Latinas not their father. He doesn't they don't have heat. They don't have to look to him for for to be a role model. I would hope I would be that for my boys. I hope I have already taught and right from wrong. And now they're eighteen nineteen year old adults. They gotta make their own decisions. He'll make the right ones. And Ben Kip. Kelly was hired to great fanfare even. So he has a show cons penalty for what stuffy cheated at Oregon. Tell me more about this Pacific's of this show recruiting base paying players stuff like that. Okay. Well, the recruiting system is totally out of whack a system wide across the board. So you'll look the other way on that. That's yes. I will look the other way on that. Because you just can't get over the sex part. I can't everyone about prostitution rings being run by my coaching staff. That's wrong. No question about it. That is wrong. If I were running that type of a savage here at ESPN, we're happy a problem. How what I get a job? Wait a minute doing sports radio. What I'm doing what he was doing? I didn't know a very good friend was he wanting I should have known about it. But then again, if people are doing something secret and keep it under way from you. How you find out because you should the mouth high toward, you know, you know, my calls word about gossip gets around these young you hear things here. Things players come into this. A little more tired. Then come on then going to give you an example. Okay. No give you an example drugs were rampant in the NBA in the seventies. The it almost ruined the league you can read during a number of books. All right, Michael will look you in the eye on a light detector Intel, you he was completely unaware that any of his teammates were doing dry. Never saw never knew Michael grew up in a book was a coconut. Around the it's not completely implausible Tino. Just didn't pay attention and didn't know. Yeah. Be Michael Dino. He's on drugs or not. I don't think that is the same as ignorance out to you. What's? So you get this guy no chance because of a sex scandal. But yet you love Bill Clinton. You would wish she'd be president forever? I don't wish. Bill Clinton would be played good prison. I did. And I'm a Republican. I do think he was a good president, even though he was messing around even though he's doing things in the Oval Office thing that what about the stuff voters of president are far, greater and more employees. And then the property was doing the Oval Office head coach of a college bass. The proves our point if you're okay with Bill Clinton president you gotta be okay with the ball college in spite of all the extra staff meetings. He was having any Oval Office to do conveniently, Greg. The producers in my ear saying typically working today. 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That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash LA. Ziprecruiter dot com slash LA. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Ben lines hanging out for Steve Mason, John island. Of course, the. Michael Thompson, who's going to own me about a wine because the thunder are going to win more games. The Lakers on ESPN LA Mason Ireland show. This is normally the time we do purgatory. But I think that taking another day off. He's rivaling Mason for most days a year. He's working for ESPN TV tonight eastern, the Celtics game tonight for lost and Michael for us for the Lakers wealth Lakers. Knicks for you pre-game starting at six for us know, LeBron no Rondo potentially. No Kusa that back and for the Knicks Luc cornet will play Noah von, they will play a moody. We'll be on the team. So it kind of even things now we'll porzingas be back hopefully next year next year next year. Why play this share Michael trying to provide for the Knicks? What do you do my draft pick? What do you do in the summer when he wants us five years? One fifty come on. Ben, I insist on is he? I would if I was him. I think he's going to give them a little haircut because of this uncertainty. Ancient building is into be the Manetti injured because of the injury timing of the injury severity of the I think he's going to give them a little bit of a haircut. I don't think. So maybe the injury Embiid in Philadelphia if he stays healthy over certain amount of games as Philly guaranteed. I love porzingas shit. Everybody. Does my socks right now? Ever heard. His name mentioned was for Michael Tom first time, I ever had the name Christmas porzingas was empty was the first I believed, you you are so ahead of the curve on that, Mike. And obviously nobody believe me about new. It's who's next tie Jones. Who's not shows me, you know, who knows no one believed you about you've been head of the curve and a few guys. No one with this in a Michael about Lamar Jackson who's going to play in the playoffs this weekend. Although I think the chargers Joan Watson might win that game. We'll the Shawn Watson at least went with wealth. But the accent. I think went like thirty seconds trade up together. Bill polian. Right. I really now that one should be a wide receiver. Julio Jill is probably the best quarterback in the league. According to Bill Polian. Do you think any of the road teams win this weekend? I think of bunch of the road teams. All right. So you also in this week. So you've got no better. Get ahead. I you got you get Indy at Houston who wins that. I think Houston wins. But if Indy wins watch out for the next few weeks, they could go on a run. But I think Houston. Are you like to Houston? Okay. So then tomorrow night. I think this'll be a close game Seattle at Dallas rooting for Seattle, obviously, unless you're a cab boys fan. There's no reason to ever love Jerry Jones. You would like Jerry Jones is great for the game. Then I think Dallas finds a way to win. Seattle's not as good as as we think they are. They're not they're not a special team. I don't think Alice wins San Diego at Baltimore. I got my boy Lamar they get that one game going unless the charges can stuff them. I don't see them rosters so much talent. They can score so many different ways. I don't think the ravens offense can get him thirty five forty points to keep up. Rainbows defense so good because they have to pay that much. They sit on the sidelines while the ravens go through twelve minute drives and come in fresh every every quarter of boats have too many weapons in rivers is in the MVP conversation. And I think bolts are really came here to LA bolts. What are you talking about? I like San Diego. All right LA sandy mass game eagles at the bears. Now, this one has me nervous with my family being having some Chicago roots full it set up for a bears letdown. I like the idea of the eagles going in there. Rooting for them doing because if some reason they love playing with Nick foles what apple TV leads to another Super Bowl. What do you do about Carson Wentz? Or even if he gets them to a Super Bowl. What do you do out wins? Well, four full of I would falls at the end of his career choice. What twenty eight twenty nine think? Trainer. Shake it up. You can get so much for Winston. I know my because obviously they play with foale's being injured availability is a skill especially in. That's what would you do our own at foles these to another Super Bowl again. Would you do next year? Carson Wentz is really good a lot for him. He's Greg foles twenty nine go who sits just coming into his prime ten more years of quarterback easily. I would keep went to. And what the problem is you can't treat full because he's a free agent, right? Hall for went get a hall for what look the top six highest paid quarterback this year. None of their teams made the playoffs vomit GM and the NFL on less. My guy really is the truth. Like, we all know, it's Andrew luck. He's if he's really why are you paying all this money for these guys who are just handicapping your franchise because you've gotta have a Matt staff with you know, you gotta have Matt Ryan you don't they don't make the playoffs. Michael Matthew, Stafford doesn't win because all the money's you know wins. Pat, Mahomes, rookie list comes up, but he's a stud though, he unless he's the guy. You can't just pay to have a guy. It's Kirk cousins gonna kill Minnesota for the next three years in that division. Hey want to ask you about something JJ? Why? Tweeted today, he was talking about Aaron Donald and how Aaron Donald has twenty and a half sacks play second base. What? I walked right into that. Who's on first his argument is that that JJ watt and he had twenty and a half sacks a few years ago. JJ argument is that Aaron Donald disrupts every play every single play. Why isn't he being considered for MVP and not should they change it to MVP QB because what else somebody is JJ watt? Have a point is the Rams MVP. No question about it. Because he sets the whole tone defensively. Rams aren't good on defense. They're really bad against the run. And they give up a lot of points. This a quarterback who wins MVP? If your team doesn't have a good offense. Well, Mahomes has he's he's clearly my point is Donald should be considered to Mahomes lost all of his biggest games. What was it his fault? He put a forty seven points. I agree. We as you know. It's funny when we have a guy that we'd defined what his biggest games are in the NFL. Every game is a big game. Every week is the biggest game. So we are the ones in the sports media who define the glamour matchup Lamour match that doesn't really matter in the NFL. And imagine the NFL is that the chiefs have a by the best deal. They've been amazing from start of it. I think it's hard to give it a ward for MVP defensive player on when your team gives up fifty points. Like the Rams have given up a lot of points this year. They don't have a nickname for the defense. The defense isn't something. That's one them games consistently. If it were Khalil Mack, and Chicago, and what they're doing kind of makes sense. It's hard as individually great as Aaron Donald has been now, what's even more terrifying. What would that even be without them? They might just be giving up sixty points. Right. But hard to give an MVP to a defensive player on a team that doesn't have a great defense. I for that reason for what you just described. I would actually vote for Khalil Mack ahead of Aaron Donald because I think Khalil Mack New Orleans form the bears. I mean as soon as he got there, they'd be. Unbelievable. He became the plaque Butkus. And and Michael that's why I'm so mad at the raiders for trading. I don't care how many number one picks. You get you want them to one four games. Without would you have one with max seven, but going here argument about Mohali wasn't his full. How many players in the league are worth three wins greater the patriots lost the Super Bowl with glut one this rollout? Gronk. But now if if good and can draft smartly, he's got like seven draft picks right up from a picked from the trade like that. So maybe you can rebuild his history indicates. He's not a very good talion evaluator. Like he didn't have good drafts. In Tampa thing about how many position players are worth three or four wins like that there aren't many. And that's why players like Aaron Donald and Cleo MAC are in the MVP conversation. But I don't think you can give it to Donald with with the year that should be unanimous, Mahomes, even close concern changing subjects Michael the warriors have lost three. Home games in a row. How do you about them? I think they'll be okay. Go through the mid seasons. Dull jobs right now. I think DeMarcus cousins gets back that's gonna make them even more forbid -able. But clay Senate best last night. The reason why they keep giving up these big leads when he get they get to isos Centric. I so ball, and they stopped moving ball stopped doing that gave him the big lead in the first place. And that's what happened to him last night. And I meant James harden just couldn't miss by the way. I don't know. If you Michael I'm sure you did that play with one second at the end of the game. They forgot to guard Klay. He was wide open. I saw that too. But it was going to be able to the top. And he would add to catch shoes right away. He's going to be fine. They play the Knicks on Tuesday up at oracle the end of the homeless, but they've been up and down all year was a bad patterns. But I think they'll be okay. I didn't turn around after all star break. I like him. He's a little more. Look good last night. Looked like a young cappella last night. Yeah. I really like him. He tries each works little heart, these big ISIS. What you're saying last night that there are some people that think that when boogie comes in and loonie goes out that it's going to mess up their defense. Do you by that? I mean, look he doesn't move his feet on a primitive when it comes to switching all big men have to do now to guard these guards there, but that's something you just have to live with and he just gonna he's he's up to tell him back off these little guards and make them shoot jump shots. Only. You can do you can't go up the impression. Anyway, it'll be very interesting to see who is the assuming the warriors make it back to the Western Conference final. We'll my cultures as you. Who's the other team Lakers was also healthy? What do you look at? What do you rolling your eyes for their over there? Mr. New York. Wanna making the Western Conference? Why not got an LeBron's? The town those tough guy Varma Giza champion, what is wrong with you. Is he not two time champ? And he's he's playing like like a pair of the year. What is wrong with you? Why? We why don't you believe in McGee? I'm not talking about Willie McGee baseball. I'm talking about. I must say this banish available. Didn't get hurt. You know? Miss those eight games. I be right. So much about body McGee roots at me every defense for why? The Lakers are good has aquatic quiet. Everybody's gotta be healthy. Yes. They say they have not been. Says who I would think by by the end of this month guys going to be back in back at full strength. Then I actually will say this to agree with Michael, I don't know the timing's important like the Lakers s today for joining us that LeBron is out for this road trip. He's not even going to travel and they're going to reevaluate them too week. So Michael that means lebrons out for the next four tonight. Minnesota Dallas in Detroit right now. They're about a half game up for the eight seed. Well, that's my point if but to so, that's that's what you would tonight verse the Knicks. It's a must win for stop it. But you would be if you're a Laker fan. You would be a little bit nervous about the timing. They can't afford low Brian to be out much longer. But but to Michael's point if they get healthy. I don't think there's a team in the west. They can't give. Okay. So Michael's things. I different he saying they're going to the west I believe that's different than giving someone a series. If we're gonna town with celebrates people a serious round liquors versus first round Lakers vs clip was with. Healthy. Lebron who wins who wins answer the question? Yes. Or no question clippers zoo. Oh my God. What are you talking about Toby and bovi is the greatest show in Los Angeles. Even let's say, let's say upset the clippers. Let's say second or third round and face the rockets they played the thunder with a healthy. Lebron who in the funder better front court? More wins the regular season betta court. Yeah. With who with Paul George? That homes in L guys. Absolutely. You'd rather have that front court LeBron McGee and coups MMA. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought you basketball, I love Oklahoma's Goodman. I know that good in for a rude. Wake-up call come this spring. I think it's so unfair to these young Lakers to be put in Western Conference finals on. I got him. Kids are all nineteen you saw. The warriors Christmas day that was one game on Christmas. Yeah. Happened since then LeBron got hurt greatness is not about moments greatness about consistency. And they're having consistently good. What we'll keep this argument. Go and ESPN LA. All right Mason in Ireland. Ben lines information. Michael Thompson hanging out Michael the Laker game for you tonight. Seven thirty tip six o'clock, pre-game the Lakers and Ben's favorite team. The New York Knicks against my better judgment. I have acquired tickets for Ben to attend the game and yell. Except for a couple years at Staples Derrick rose showdown the Knicks were like fourteen eleven and they beat the Lakers. Oh, a magical night and not Knicks gear. Just like we would be on the New York. Knicks sweat shot. He's got on shoes single assurance porzingas locks and a Knicks hat and you come into Staples. And got a Knicks shirt on the hill. Heckle, and you're gonna have gonna heckle lak- play you gotta hack Alonzo on that, lavar here you who's gonna get it tonight. Well, are we going to are we gonna see you tonight? Yeah. He's he's he's playing. Well, what can you say to a two time champ? I can't say nothing Val. I've each in the Klay Thompson golf tournament. The nineteenth. Twentieth. Handicap and he admitted up front he had no skills whatsoever. But foundation. Does one of my favorite tournament days of the year? We got a. Stuff around the holidays, doing some great stuff up in Oakland and trying to do some stuff in the Bahamas now to given out food drives giving toy drive to the kids pay a lot of educational stuff for the kids Thompson foundation's doing a lot. And we got a bunch of great sponsors. Spongy gates companies wanna come on board and help us apart is doing great. Hey, so let me ask you help the house. Give back. Yes. That's one thing. I commend NBA players for man, you they may not publicize will we know a bunch of guys in this league who give back to their communities in LeBron's at the definite. Lebron does a much different given back by writing checks sommes ING giving giving back by providing your just your time. Right. I'm is our arthritis luxury. Right. Exactly are most valium source. So giving your time and your presence. That's just inspired Lakers. You found Asians Laker players go out in the community and give a lot back to so young. I'm very proud of MBA for that. Okay. So the three of us have something in common that I think everybody else that this radio station disagrees with we all like, Carmelo Anthony player love Kamilo and the guy. He's a great guy in his career. It appears is going to end badly actually think been with the Knicks come into town tonight. And I'm wondering if you agree that the Knicks should. Throw Carmelo Abon. No, no, not at that ship and sailed. No that was built heading. I love it, John. I do. But no he needs to go to a container. So how to rewrite right at the end of his career. What should he signs with Portland? Somebody like that. Somebody like that to be a third option. Right. And he's able to realize okay. I'm no longer one of the top scores of my generation. I can contribute by still making an open jump shot. If I can have a playoff game where I go for twenty and help them beat or something great, but Portland going back to Denver. Maybe a team like Milwaukee know, who's got a minimum walk. You know, got an open roster spot and hang they were holding. If a Pat McCaw of war is the war should take a look at him warrior should have should take a look at him for sure smart guy like that on the end of the bench, and Nick Nick young last year, and bigshot let's Claes won a couple of metal gold medals with carbon what's Klay think of loves everybody loves. Mel did I tell you? I got the smoke cigars with mellow and rate and Rio that was one of the coolest on on the on the on the on the players cruise ship just in a cigar bar, just me and mellow and clay was there for a while. And all the Mello's guys sitting there talking about basketball talking about things and society talking about what he hopes to do. He's just a great guy. Five guys in the history of this league have dropped twenty nine. It for fourteen. Somebody really could he just was a bad mixed down here in Houston because it is so ball. But I think fourteen moves the ball where he can just catch and shoot he could still help. But it just wants to replay that hardened thought that was ridiculous. I was in dream on. We're right funny is right on top of Mike. Oh, isn't it? Strange though, the banana boat crew Chris Paul out with injuries not the same player, James. Dwayne Wade haven't his last dance. Good. Bye. Right. Mellow out of the league LeBron power. What are you trying to say? So they hanging out in the Bahamas bad for you powers. Streak could wine on a two hundred foot. Yacht is bad for you career is in that picture three of them into the basketball conversation as we Chris thirty six thirty six I'm self who else weight is thirty eight. Thirty four Braun. He'll be right. He'll be back. Like, Michael before we get out of here me handed off who's doing the show downstairs, Freddie. Prinz cabinets, Freddie, and Andy FPJ Michael last night at the end of that game, a really bad call it had two feet out of bounds on the why save the ball. They didn't think he'd get it. If you look at the replay referees looking at the ball, he wasn't looking at Durant's feet Tokay Durant's. Just Nick physique. He's all. Here's my question. We review everything they could have. So here's what happened was tied. Game durant. Save the ball. It turns out he had two feet out about it should have been rockets ball. He saved the ball the Klay through to Steph Steph hit a basket and the worries by two in the closing seconds. Now Hardin bailed everybody out from the officiating crew by winning the game for the rocket. So the call didn't matter, but what would have been wrong with. There was a time out after Steph hit the bucket. Could you not go back and say, hey, we missed it. Katie was out of bounds. We're going to take the hoop off the board and give the ball to the rockets and reset you can't go back because let's say we do it. Greg Bill that we do it on on. What about what about if javale McGee makes a great block and refugee afoul could impact the game in the last twenty seconds? No. So you know, let's go back. Block a CV really many body contact. Now, you can't do that. I stay hit the backboard should have been a goal tending. Steve Steve Mason get review except for flagrant the check on flagrant fouls and a last second shot second review. Being not for inbound amounts. Not the out of bounds. Even that stuff. Just make the call STAN with it just like just like Bensaid human element is part of the game too. I missed that part. Yeah. Great calls from that everybody at home. Would know they missed why have referees there? Why not have it? All. New Jersey exactly why why have three men and women because somebody didn't even have to have anybody hand the ball to the plan for free throw. Parts. Right. You want to review everything you want? What four hour games? Yeah. That's a good point. I can't decide it just seems like had the warriors won that game. Man. Did Houston have gripe all the lion twenty-first-century. Philosophers said it best. Okay. So we got a minute left. Michael. What happens tonight Lakers? Wow. I think it'll be a spirit of game because Lakers shorthanded listening guys. But I think the Knicks being LA bright spotlight. They wanna put on a show. I wanna get embarrassed. It'll be a competitive game. But still win by nine Lakers went oh nine Knicks. Eighty-two whatnot goes for everyone. Wow. In your team this team is so bad. I love fizzle. I love the kids. They got three guys players got some young for the first time. They got all their draft picks. They got money. It is a full culture change bottom out there. Terrible. So let's enjoy the Lakers on a Friday night at Staples swin some. Some say his must wins that bad is a guaranteed. They're gonna get on sold because they will get the first pick. And they'll they'll Marvin Bagley. Parents tight Joe. They will go to Brooklyn destroy them for the next few. Now, they say the other kid are good better. Zion. Ziya? He he's a nice player. But knows ion Williamson puts people in the seats Zion have a better and be career than Larry Johnson. Yeah. I think so he's a better. I think he's got more skills. And he's man I've never seen a physique specimen like him. This is freaky to see. What he does. All right. So definitely won't get. All right. Then thank you for coming in. Year. Appreciate the time. And like I said must win at St. Sofit energy could feel one of the building today. It's different viruses man of fun swaying. If they don't win this just make it up on the brand comes back coming up next, and he came in. 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Hour 1: Dan Is Back!

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Hour 1: Dan Is Back!

"Mega is everywhere. I'm cooler. You're driving to a tailgate. So you filled me up with icing cans. Pop Open you panic. And and if you've got cut cut rate Sheri- There might be a few less cancer ice so kid allstate allstate where your rates mobile APP just because of an accident accident forgiveness from allstate contact. Set your local agent today. Are you in good. Hands not available in every state features are optional subject to terms conditions and availability firing casualty insurance company and it's affiliates Northbrook Illinois. Dale Avatar Woodstock. Got Your podcast is presented by capital. One where you can open a savings account in about five minutes and five time national average. This is banking reimagined. What's in your doc? Wallet Capital One. NA member FDIC. This is the Dan lebatardshow with Stugatz. podcast where's Allison Bull. God's call Sir where's Aj. Listen where's deadspin. I go away for a little while to Rehab for non on chosen. Stu Gods is interviewing Jay. Gruden what I want. What did I miss? Everything is different in the same kirk. Cousins cousins are still confused about him. The Los Angeles chargers still confused about them. The rams there are no good anymore the Patriots make that look easy. How you've seen what's happened to the Falcons in the eagles since they were in the super bowl with the Patriot? Try that hard to do with the Patriots. Do and the rams are putting. Ah That's it it's all over. They gave him a bunch of money to the wrong guys. One of them's got a bad knee. The other one can't play is that system quarterback and Pittsburgh exposed at the Patriots. Get there and then they get there the next year. The rams get their done the next season. How do you explain what happened to the saints? Yesterday is that that you can't be a forty year old quarterback and parachute in and pick up the speed of the game. That fast. I mean because the Falcons defense has been terrible all season. Well this was the second game back but as he looked like himself. Do you feel like he looks like himself he did. I think a little bit in that first game second game not so much. What happens is you? Don't give Dan Quinn an extra week to prepare skip point what are they not two and seven. Think about that. Think about where they were a couple of years ago when the Patriots took took their stole soul and look at where it is that they are now. I wanted to talk about what happened with Ed Order on this weekend. 'cause I was surprised by the number of of young people who felt like it was a gross invasion of Ed or girons privacy that he would do the most predictably Ed Orange Ron thing and Dan people thought that we in the locker room when he goes roll tide. What bleep you that? It was an invasion of betrayal by his his players to show that on instagram. Live and we saw with Mike Leach. Mike Leach is like band twitter for his players and these coaches have next to nothing in common with these people that they coach and these young people live on social media and so they do things like what you saw with. Ed ordure ordure on where he has this giant win. He Beats Nick Sabin wire-to-wire he's got all the great players and then afterward he says we're going to continue to out recruit with them roll tide. What bleep you and if I told you what it at ordure on say after the game you would have said something like that that we didn't understand because he's a cajun agent swamp monster and at the end of it in a red bull can on his head? I didn't need the video to confirm what Ed said. After the game I knew exactly what he was going to say. I were Mike Ryan Ryan and Mike golic junior all upset about this. Why were you upset? Did you enjoy when that. The cardinals manager rant. came out where he's like like the Let me actually find this here because it's wonderful Also we don't have the rights to the sound because it's also an invasion of privacy yes So the the cardinals manager after they beat the braves he wrote or he said. The braves started some bleep. We've finished the BLEEP and that's how we roll no-one bleeps with us ever now. I don't give a bleep. Who We play? We're going to bleep them up. We're GONNA take it right to them. The whole bleep way. We're going to kick their bleeping bleep. And then they got slapped and didn't get a hit the rest of the season. They didn't do anything that nicotine they played. Won The world series Animal Sanchez. Almost got a no hitter So explain this to me though because we live in. We live in the age where we feel entitled to all we live in a time where there or is less privacy than there's ever been correct. We can agree with that or she. And there's a certain entitlement about it where the of the world are able to sprout because they ah up in everyone's business and we don't believe celebrities Should have The privacy public figures shouldn't have the privacy That you know they've had had throughout time. Explain to me what you're upset about. There might explain to me why it bothers you that a player would take you into the sanctity of the locker room. We're that swamp monsters being a swamp months firstly let me thank you for coming in and commend you for working on a holiday. I know man. It's hard I do it for these people. These fans of ours. I thank you for the second part. Yes thank you for your service. There's a reason why this stuck out because it never happens what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. That's supposed to be just for that team. It's supposed to be a raw raw speech that can if it gets out there be taken out of. All sorts of context is a height of emotion a huge achievement a wire-to-wire victory against Alabama. You let the outside in and now. It's become a distraction. Dan Become a distraction for the Bayou bengals. And I don't like that coach. Oh deserve better Mike. Those kids were excited after the game as well. They filmed their coach. They shared the most predictable thing. We all knew knew what he was going to say and they shared it with the world. I thought you loved hard knocks until this season like you love the inside access to things. Why would you object? Why would you object object? When you think of these coaches making all the money in this world where the players don't make the money and they get all the fame and they get to ride? These bodies don't rationalize this with the on the backs of Children Free Labor Blah Blah. I'll tell you why you don't have to go on. I G live my I was offended. You did okay. The to a played in that game with his draft prospects and his limping around afterward. God knows what kind of painkillers they had to shoot that kid up with because it was is important it was important that he get out there and get devoured by the fifty pros. LSU Had he had that magic surgery. I mean it gets you back. Two weeks from a high ankle sprain. The second time he's added a second time they he hasn't been that great. We forgot about the whole Kevin. Durant thing right. We just never mind. We can do it to kids and Kevin Durant that thing whereas you know at this leg rolled up and stuff. He shouldn't have been out there. We've got about that's over now. Oh man you should check what happened to the warriors while you're out the team. They're really bad. Starting sign and that is the biggest name they got. That makes you the gangs when Draymond Green is your fourth best best player. You are a champion when he's your second best you stink. That's a fairly amazing thing. Right like the Lakers. One when Lamar Odom was the Fort Best Player. But if your best player going forty two and four now steph. Curry has like the longest hand injury. Ever yeah he should be back the three weeks now. We're just going to call it a season. People are enjoying that though right enjoying seeing them Fall apart. I really don't understand why winning is such a joyless misery. Okay that it breaks apart everybody except the Patriot. Like how is it. Kevin Durant is miserable. And Steve Kerr saying yeah. The second season he was bored I could see he was slipping away from us. Him and draymond hated each other. The disease of me Dan. How can it happen that fast? Though like they could have been dominating the sport for ten ten years and instead it all falls apart on them and they're not even going to make the playoffs. This year draymond upset Kevin Durant probably the wrong guy to upset in the equation. There I mean silly silly thing. Don't think about that think was draymond not aware. What's I guess? Not Now while he was doing all the little things that made amy think he was aware he was doing all the crap. no-one all the janitorial stuff. No one else wants to do take charge. They'll kick guys in the John Play. Play great defense. No one else was doing. No one else wanted to do any of that. He did all the janitor work right but he also rep Kevin Durant that no one else did that either. I mean he did it. And why did you interview Jay Gruden. While I was gone. I Dunno opportunity. You were gone. You'd never like coaches on and they get a go. Johnny made some news Yeah that was an exclusive by the way he got fired. While you're I felt the pressure to deliver some sort of news why you were away too and I got it would j. Hey grew it and then I can do whatever the hell I wanted the rest of the show. You felt pressured to deliver news. I did my Jay Gruden for him and how that goes Choked now the first one. I said Robert and Kirk. He didn't really like it when I hit him with fat. Rob Rob this around the Nice Guy Jaeger. Right I mean yes we are dying. We also interviewed Dermot Mulroney. Oh yeah I I was cool real thrill I actually. I don't know if I told Stugatz this story. I think I told Mike this story that I was actually walking on the beach. A smiling to myself and Valerie Valerie had her first football analysis of the season yesterday. I football yes. She walked past the television and and she said he looks like the Dean Blandino. Put It on the poll. There at Lebatardshow was he looked like a Dean Blandino but I was walking with her and she's like. Why are you smiling ailing? I'm like because if I give STU got six weeks he'll tear it all down. I like he's going to realize that he doesn't actually WanNa work that hard all these things that he's actually wanted where he gets all the chairs and gets to sit in front of the cameras. He's in six weeks. He's GonNa realize wait a minute. 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