19 Episode results for "Bill Ninety"

What does Bill 96 mean for Quebec? And for the rest of Canada?

The Big Story

25:44 min | 4 months ago

What does Bill 96 mean for Quebec? And for the rest of Canada?

"You're listening to a frequency cast network production. No matter where you live in canada. You probably know two things about quebec number one in quebec. They speak french and number two politicians in quebec. Take that very very seriously. They take it so seriously. In fact they would now like to change the constitution. This thing society is a-plus premier console. Lagos says the french language is fragile. Now more than ever so. He's taking an unprecedented step. It's new bill. Ninety six proposes to add two sentences that quebeckers form nation and that french shall be the only official language of quebec about protecting something that will always be vulnerable which is our language in quebec. Prime minister justin trudeau agrees. That back can just do that on. Its own bill. Ninety six is a dramatic hall to quebec's longstanding language laws which themselves are a huge part of the province's cultural identity. So whatever your opinion or whatever you might have heard about. What's inside bill ninety six. You should know this has been a long time coming. And the next few months of discussion will be vital to determining what makes the cut and what the future of language looks like. Not just for french in lebel provence. So what do the proposed changes and bill. Ninety six mean four quebeckers. What do they mean for immigrants to the province. What do they mean to english speaking canadians. Who moved there and for the rest of canada. Now looking at the precedent of a province seeking to unilaterally change candidate constitution. What kind of precedent does that set. jordan rawlings. this is the big story to lead. Ramona's is a montreal based journalist also opinion columnist for cult montreal where she looked at the good the bad and the ugly of bill ninety-six tula. Hey how are you jordan. I'm doing well. Thank you for taking the time. I wanna ask you maybe just to start For those of us outside of quebec can you give us some context for the ever evolving Language legislation this is. There's a lot of historical connotations here. Right oh god where to begin will basically bill ninety. Six is is an upgraded. Its what is supposed to be an upgrade to Kickbacks language law otherwise known as bill went to one you know which just celebrated fifty one years. I think of existence Which aimed to establish french as the common long language in quebec and fifty plus years later the current government The the cue has basically decided because of issues with french because of the constant kind of fragility of the language and they feel that French is eroding vay needed to upgrade they needed to strengthen that legislation that piece of legislation. So here we are now with bill ninety six and the historic bill wanna one Just for a frame of reference for other people may be that's the legislation that makes it illegal for signs to be an only english or for the english to be bigger than the french and a whole bunch of other things right right. sorry. I mean you're asking me to explain it but it's such a part of my world that In some ways it was kind of hard to kind of take a step back and explain something that is just so much a part of my daily life. Yes it pretty much. French is the common language here. So basically that means signs commercial signs must a be in french That is the language of the government that is usually you know when you walk out when i walk out as a backer and i go. You know in my daily life as ala phone Becker who speaks three languages. I you know i the notion that when i go somewhere. I'm going to speak to someone in french that they will usually respond french. And that doesn't mean that. You don't hear english because montreal is very much a cosmopolitan city here. All sorts of languages But yeah i mean. French is the common language you know like new immigrants arriving here who will not go into schools. They will go to You know their kids will go to french school. The goal is to make sure that people speak french. And when you say that the reason for bill ninety six now is to project the kind of fragility of the french language or or what. The government sees as its decline. Is that true. Do we know that. The number of francophones in quebec is declining. The use of french's dwindling. I think you'll get a different answer depending on who you speak to on any given time and who you ask is is french fragile in quebec. Is it a a language that needs protecting you know within the larger framework of a Surrounded by english in north america and within canada that's claims to be officially bilingual but really isn't right In the sense that french is still very much. A minority within An english canada in needs to be protected. It is fragile. It you know. I can only applaud measures to To ensure its survival that being said how the province goes about monitoring you know The so-called decrease fragility of french is can be highly questionable at times. If you speak to you know certain parties that are you know very much a separatist or you know that want an independent quebec or people. Who are you know what we like to call hardliners linguistic hardliners. They'll tell you. Oh my god. French is decreasing. it is dangerous. The numbers keep going down but how these numbers are measured is what needs to be looked at in many cases a lot of these polls that are being used as you know hard evidence for the decline of french will measure language spoken at home now is analysis phone who speaks greek. Who was raised to speak greek at home and who speaks english a lot at home but can speak you know is perfectly trailing can speak french. I questioned these kinds of studies. Because if you're looking at maternal language you're using that as evidence to say that fringes declining when in reality all it shows is that immigration you know is altering the demographics and that of course as the birth rate decreases and the population ages. And we need more immigration. This is not a quebec thing. This is not a kickback problem. This is a canadian problem throughout the world. Like you need immigration. It alters the demographic so of course you're going to see a slight increase. Let's say in the maternal language being something other than french and possibly a decline in maternal language being french. That doesn't necessarily mean that. French is declining because contrary because immigrant kids are going siphoned into the french language. System the The status of french itself is a common language and people being able to speak. It is doing fine. it actually has increased. Obviously since bill went to one. it hasn't gone down. The big story will be back in just a minute. So maybe let's get into some of the highlights of bill ninety six before we kind of discuss their ramifications. And the first thing that. I think i have to ask because i think it's probably the way most non-quebeckers have heard of this bill is. Why am i hearing that. Quebec wants to change the constitution. Right listen okay. I let me preface everything. I'm going to say with making it very clear that i'm neither a constitutional expert nor legal expert. But i'm a journalist. Who basically did read You know one hundred page document that you know can be convoluted at times. You know you're talking about a very wide ranging complex piece of legislation right and it doesn't in some ways represent kind of a significant overhaul of quebec's legal system and so forth. Canada tends to the rest of canada. What we refer to as the rotc tends to sometimes look at quebec not necessarily understanding what goes on here and sometimes you know there is a certain amount of quebec bashing or this inability or unwillingness to kind of see where quebec is coming from with certain issues. So sometimes i feel like there. Is this tendency to discuss issues that concern quebec without necessarily understanding a lot of what is going on you know and not necessarily always from a very positive point of view from the point of view of wanting to understand. But just going like. Oh what's quebec up to this time you know. What are they complaining about. What are they what are they. What are they getting involved in this time. what are they doing. that's not right. I do understand that. There are some issues across the board including here in quebec quebeckers themselves are concerned by a lot of some of these sweeping overrides of the charters. And this unilateral amendment. I don't claim to really understand from a legal point of view. Exactly what the long term ramifications. Don't forget this is a bill that was just introduced and will be discussed at length Probably for a few months before it actually goes through right. So i'm not quite sure wh- whether some of it is legitimately lake pieces that are being introduced to this bill to overhaul it to make it stronger or how much of it is. Vote pandering to a certain degree to its base. Because the tends to be a bit of a populist party now they're claiming you know like they they came out and they said we're introducing One of the key aspects is unilateral amendment to the constitution. You know that quebeckers and this is how they were kick backwards form. A nation and that french is the only official language in quebec now as far as quebecers form and and prime minister trudeau has kind of alluded to the fact that yes based on how the constitution is set up there are ways for provinces to kind of unilaterally kind of immense certain things if it only concerns them. But there's certain things are kind of made me shark you know first of all bekker's yeah okay. This is nothing new. i mean it was. I remember harper talking about this back. In the day i think most people who have a basic understanding of of back and francophones. You know as a minority in canada and has a majority in quebec within quebec would understand that. Yes you know french. Quebecers form nation in the sense that they are quite distinct and it's their histories quite distinct in their linguistic Survival and cultural survival are kind of based on having kind of this distinct nation. I don't i don't think most people would kind of have a real issue with it and if it wants you know if they want it to be worded in the constitution I personally as as as an elephant. Quebecer don't really have a major issue of it. And i think most canadians if they kind of understood it probably wouldn't have an issue with it either because i don't know how it would affect them in any possible way and again i'm not sure if that opens the door. If the concerns are does it. Open the door to other issues you know for other people and for other provinces necessarily French being the only official language of quebec again you know this is something that can be discussed from a variety of viewpoints. There are a lot of people that automatically will will say well. What about indigenous communities and what about indigenous languages wiser such an emphasis on preserving french get. There doesn't seem to be absolutely nothing in one. Hundred page document discusses the fragility of indigenous languages Most of them in much more dire straits than french right now. Seems like a fair point absolutely and it's a fair point that many are bringing up because unfortunately for better for worse most of the time stores we have a tendency and i say we because i'm very much part of quebec but at the same. I understand a lot of these issues and a lot of these concerns from from the francophone point of view but at the same time. I do feel that there has been such an emphasis on survival and preservation of making. Sure you know this like we need to make sure that french survives and culture survives that. They're there tends to be this kind of this tendency to kind of need to spend a lot of time navel-gazing here the majority tends to forget about other people's concerns about minorities concerns the see themselves. French quebecers have such tendency historically to see themselves as persecuted minority and justifiably so certain times because of their history but they tend to forget that that is no longer there status in some ways like yes. They need to make sure that. French is preserved culture remains and that we need to need to take all the necessary steps to make sure that french only survived but thrived. There's nothing wrong with that but you can do that in a in a in a productive proactive kind of way without necessarily always taking the stance of we are the victims. We need to stand up to. I don't know whether it's once upon a time british colonizers whether it's allophones now you know or imigrants somehow compromising the viability of french or the rest of canada. There seems to be this tendency that the rest of canada is always always ready to harp on quebec in our always ready to take down quebec when in reality most other provinces really are not spending their daily daily time like thinking about comeback that much. I am sure there are some quebeckers listening to this right now. taking exception to that but rather than than probe whether or not Quebec likes to play the victim or not or is justified in doing so. Sometimes i'm hoping you can explain to us and not everything at all. I know because it's a huge bill. But what are the main things in here that will change the actual lives of quebeckers and let me preface this By just just clarifying point here. Two things can simultaneously be true right back can and should Justifiably be wanting to protect its language and its culture and at the same time. Be kind of delving into the self victimization kind of thing that you know not. Everything is quebec bashing people are allowed to criticise a bill. People are allowed to criticise legislation. People are allowed to criticize things that take place here without automatically being interpreted as quebec bashing of course How will this bill changed. Here's the thing bill. Ninety six has the potential to affect so many different aspects of daily life. Here you know whether it's business whether it's employment whether it's access to public service education and like i said when i wrote the piece i did refer to it as the good the bad in the ugly there are some great points you know Bill went to one will increase a lot of it'll create this one stop shop called founds. Ascione quebec were basically. Newcomers can come in and easily integrate and easily access like language services In all the resources they need to actually learn and better integrate and streamline It'll bring together. you know. Kind of streamline harmonize a process that. When i've spoken to immigrants will tell me it can be quite a convoluted it can be quite messy. There are a lot of layers of bureaucracy. Makes a complicated. So i think that is good. Any efforts any proactive efforts to make it easier for people to learn french to access wrench services to better integrate into quebec. Are is a good thing Another thing that i think is is is amazing and didn't really even come from the current government and came from a liberal emanate. Greg kelly is a proposal to offer french language lessons to everyone who wants them. Not just because right now as it stands. Only recent immigrants have access to free french lessons. If you if you come here and you know you're from somewhere else. You can get to learn french for free. But that kind forgets the fact that there are you know kind of negates. The fact that there are a lot of people canadians that come from other provinces. That never really had the opportunity to learn french properly right. Maybe they take a year or two someone high school or i don't know what the system is exactly in the rest of canada but they are not eligible to speak to take these french lessons and i think it's important that they should be able to or there are a lot of Quebecers that didn't benefit from bill when i say benefit because really English quebeckers post. Bill wanna one are like ninety five percent. I think at this point. The latest polls showed them to be fully bilingual. That is amazing. You know like anglophones here are bilingual allophones are trailing that's a plus it's a richness to be able to speak more languages. The things that are questionable. They're trying to limit francophones. Access to see to sage ups. Basically they would prioritize english the anglophones here who have a priority who have at priority access to these english schools But they would limit francophones access. Which allowed francophones are not too happy about because they want to have the option of doing their high school in french and then transferring over to english. Because improves. it improves their english right. So that is something that has is not necessarily seen as as a positive by even a lot of francophones that i know Franklin parents who want access to their kids to be able to be fully bilingual those are some of the headlines of the bill. And i guess the things that might really change how people existed day. But one of the things you wrote in your piece is plenty of moves in the bill. Give the impression of doing something. Well not really doing much at all. Can you elaborate on that. And and what kinds of stuff re talking about. What i was referring to is more playing to their base. You know as kind of this notion of will instill this sense of pride or will stelle instilled a sense of kind of pride in the language and the culture which is which is all wonderful things. But by being for example this unilateral amendment saying quebeckers formulation or french the only official language of quebec. Yeah that's that's all great but to me. These are all kind of more symbolic than anything else. Because at the end of the day what i wanna see and i would assume that anyone who is genuinely interested in preserving and protecting a language i would wanna see measures that for example. We have serious issues with the literacy and dropout rates here in quebec Wapping thousand nine percent bikers preliterate. This is a huge problem. You know you're talking about one million quebeckers who can't really read or write proper. And i'm not saying this is uniquely quebec problem. 'cause the literacy. Is you know a canadian problem as well and It's something that needs to be tackled but it is a genuine problem here you know. We have the lowest graduation rates in canada. We are having issues with attracting because teachers are not paid really well. So we're having issues attracting a teachers As a result we have a lot of unqualified teachers. Like the numbers are skyrocketing because we have historic shortages. So q one hundred page document in. I know where do i see any measures to kind of tackle these real issues. Where's the budget for this. Where why are we not investing in better language acquisition teaching french better making sure that You know people love the language treated properly. Why are we not investing in in our teachers making sure that they're better page so that there's actually a desire for people to enter the fields to me. These are the proactive measures. I want to see. I want to see people. I wanna see a government that wants to increase access to french and increase the quality of french. That's being taught because that's how you protect a language. It's not by decreasing access to english that you're going to attain that you're all you're doing is kind of appealing to a certain segment of the population that still continues to see kind of any other language particularly english because of historic kind of imbalance. And and you know English being seen you know back in the day as the language of the bosses and of the of the people who had the upper hand. And i understand this knee-jerk reaction but today in in twenty twenty one. What are the real challenges to french. And it's not the english. it's just not you know. It's not the minority anglophone community. Here that is a threat Who have already you know Adjusted have already. You know already speaking french and are making sure their kids speak french. They are not the enemy. They're not the ones you know. It's not by decreasing english that you're going to increase access to french will protect french. Those are my main concerns really and we have now. I guess a few months before this bill might become law officially. You've kind of already outlined that. But i guess my last question then is just with so much of it's seeming like window-dressing but with also you know big steps Like the constitution. How popular is this bill in quebec right now. Do we know. Do we have any idea. I'm assuming the opposition has some complaints but but what about among regular french speakers. I think it has. I think it enjoys actually pretty a pretty decent popularity and you're right. i think there is a certain segment. The heart linguistic hardliners. As i said earlier in the opposition They for them. It will never be satisfactory enough. You know no matter. How stringent these new guidelines are this new legislation as it would never be a strict enough for them right It's just it will never go far enough for them. On the other hand you have people who are in our members of the angles from community who fear goes. It goes way too far in it. Infringes on individual rights and i think there is a legitimate conversation to be had about the fact that this government has chosen. You know to kind of bring forward the notwithstanding clause with bill six bill twenty one It kind of employs the same sweeping human rights overrides you know and these are conversations that need to be had the the these are dangerous. Moves your explicitly saying you know. Collective rights will override human rights. I mean this is again. Bill ninety-six overrides the canadian charter of human rights and freedoms and the quebec. Both both charters being infringed upon here so. This is something that should be discussed and is caused for. It's a legitimate criticism of the bill. That being said i think the see q. Is managed to kind of find the sweet spot where it will you know the majority of francophones see it as a reasonable a reasonable piece of legislation. That will protect in. You know protect the french language and make sure that it you know enjoys The protection that it needs and at the same time it appears it appeals to you know a segment of the population that wants to hear these buzzwords and the things that they they want defeat they wanna feel that their government is working towards taking all the necessary measures. You know but i do. But i also understand the some of the concerns of The english minority. You know it is a winning Minority that has legitimate concerns about its institutions. It's it's it's it's ability to protect its language as well you know. People need to not con conflict. The to you know. The english minority is not the power of english in north america. These are two different very different things to thank you so much for explaining this to us. It's really helpful for those outside of the province. hope. I explained it as much as best as i say again. It's a very convoluted And i think we've just only started to analyze that you know like the. The implications could be quite far reaching in an unpredictable. We don't know. I think there's a lot of discussion ahead. We'll check in with you as we get closer to the finish line thanks again. Thank you to lead ramona's of cult montreal and many other publications. That was the big story for more from us head to the big story. Podcast dot ca. Find us on twitter at the big story f. p. n. email us anytime especially if you've got opinions on language in quebec because i know a lot of you do we are at the big story. Podcast all one word at rci dot rogers dot com and lastly if you happen to be cruising through your new podcast player. Maybe you switched from one to another if you did like us in that one to follow us subscribe to us rate us review s everything they let you do. We're waiting for it. Thanks for listening. I'm jordan heath rawlings. We'll talk tomorrow.

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The Birth of Vegas | Sunrise on Sin City | 1

Business Wars

31:42 min | 2 months ago

The Birth of Vegas | Sunrise on Sin City | 1

"Join us to listen a business wars one week early and ad free in the wondering app. Download the wanna reopen your apple or google. Play mobile app store today a note to listeners. This episode contains adult language. New is the summer of nineteen forty. Two temperatures push past one hundred degrees under the searing nevada afternoon signed as a dusty cadillac sputters down fremont street the main drag sleepy western town. Call las vegas. The caddy left los angeles asleep and gleaming machine but as it heads east for six hours on highway ninety one. It takes a brutal beating. Overheating repeatedly car pulls over and two men. Step out squinting into the blinding son. Jesus christ ban some away since you picked. The town's a hell hellhole. Maya maybe so but remember. You can do something here. You can't do anywhere else in the country and kill guys and bury them in the desert. No talking about gambling here. Legal gambling mobsters meyer lansky. And benjamin bugsy siegel have fringe criminal business ties to vegas. They're on a scouting mission to expand their holdings. I'm telling you been places. investment opportunity. Sure ain't much now. But the local governments easy to work with. And they like making money lansky is the head of the jewish mob and a brilliant financier to runs his underworld business like a corporation. He's made a fortune from narcotics bootlegging and casinos with setups in cuba. Florida and new orleans. Now he's focused on vegas. Competition is slim el rancho. Vegas is pretty much the only game in town. It's nothing special. A year-old cinder block structure with only sixty. Three rooms lansky wants segal to develop a major resort as a national gambling mecca. But he prefers staying out of the spotlight siegel and not so much. He's movie star handsome dapper and a notorious hitman with well over a dozen kills on his resume. Seagal has been running a lucrative horse racing. Betting operation for lansky. That job requires traveling back and forth between l. a. In vegas but the more he makes the loop the less he likes the desert. -sego prefers the glitz and glamour of hollywood. He considers himself a classy guy. Something he'll tell anyone who listened today. He's dressed to the nines but his summer suit is drenched with sweat. He likes to smoke and looks down the street. There's ethel's liquor store the square deal loan company and frosties log cabin bar. A cowboy rides a horse through the front door. Seagulls shakes his head and turns to lansky. You really think anyone besides two bit. Suckers hicks are gonna come to a place like this. Damn right i do look you build a beautiful luxury resort. Big swimming pool. Good food top notch entertainment. the works. trust me. The high rollers will come. And when they're done eating and boozing and screwing and swimming there's only one thing left to do gamble siegel flicks his cigarette into the gutter and smiles to himself. He can get behind pure luxury and gambling standing in the sweltering heat. These two sweaty criminals are envisioning the future of modern las vegas. This moment is the spark of a new city lansky and siegel's innovative business. Model will generate riches beyond belief and all those prophets will attract cutthroat competitors eager to stack their chips on the table. Ready for a new ri- but not sure where to start. Meet the tool that makes car shopping and financing. Easier with capital one auto navigator. You can find a car and get prequalified instantly. You'll get your real rate and monthly payment without even impacting your credit score. In fact it's so simple. You might feel like you're taking the easy way out. That's because you are capital one. What's in your wallet. Terms and conditions apply. 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Some fifty million visitors a year flocked to sin city to happily empty their wallets into the local economy. People spend six times more on vegas attractions than all others spectator sports and entertainment combined and over the last seven decades organized crime the state and federal government and wall street have all wanted to cut. The city has evolved from a minor frontier hub for gambling liquor and prostitution to a disney style family fund zone adult playground that keeps its dirty secrets. And what does that. Bustling metropolis actually produce the enduring fantasy of getting rich in an instant but in the end the house always wins and who owns. The house has always been the real game in cincinnati. This is episode one sunrise on sensiti. It's january nineteen thirty. One after hours at the nevada governor's mansion carson sitting governor. Fred balls are smokes a fat cigar and sip scotch so do the other five men. Seated in leather chairs around the plush western style living room big game trophy heads mounted on the wood-paneled walls stared down at them with unblinking eyes. Bolivars meeting with his key advisers to discuss assembly bill ninety eight. It's a plan to make the state rich. Listen up gents. They're breaking ground of the hoover dam and three months. I'm hearing come march. Some five thousand per day will be on the job and that means five thousand men with regular paychecks in a way to spend them exactly. Let's give them a place to do that. And make some money for the state of nevada at the same time. Let's legalize gambling by god. The dam is big news just thirty miles south of las vegas. It's the next wonder of the world and engineering marvel. The one hundred seventy five million dollar hydro-electric federal project on the colorado river will create untold power for growing the south west. It's predicted to be a major tourist. Draw to even during construction balls are stands up drink in hand which just need to beat that. God damn ray wilburn is boulder city plans and. I think this is the way to do it. Secretary of the interior. Wilbur wants to keep workers away from vice ridden las vegas and it's bootleg liquor loose women in illegal gambling. Eddie heard what wilbur said in the paper he says boulder city is better for the workers. Safer god fearing with flowers and playgrounds are scowls. For christ's sake. Those boys don't want any of that crap going to work damn hard. And when they're done they're gonna to want a damn good time. That's what we're going to give them unless anyone has objections. I'm signing bill ninety eight. Here's to gambling. The governor's right. The two fisted impact of the five year dam project and the legalization of gaming is a boon for the tiny town of las vegas population. Five thousand one hundred and sixty five vegas has already become known as a no-holds-barred battleground. Where only the strong survive in march of nineteen thirty one balls are signs assembly bill. Ninety eight and sin city is born the next year two hundred thousand people visit las vegas. Buildings quickly sprouted up. The population jumps to seven thousand five hundred saloons and small hotels gaming licenses. Meanwhile the great depression decimates the nation's economy but people still want good time and vegas is set up to deliver. Its nineteen thirty eight. Thomas whole drives east on highway. Ninety one passing through the outskirts of las vegas when he gets a flat. Paul is a hotel magnate. He owns eight high end. Establishments including the swank. Hollywood roosevelt a young mechanic pulls up in a tow truck. Fix your tire sir. You bet while he waits watches traffic speeding by say kid is. They're always this much traffic through here. Sure is sir folks on their way somewhere other. No reason to stop i guess. Like meyer lansky hull savvy opportunist wheels in his head start. Spinning whole buys the sixty acre spot for six thousand dollars. Technically is just outside the city limit a desolate place but the location avoid city taxes hull figures with the of travelers passing through his investment will pay off if he can get them to stop and visitors do turn into el rancho it becomes the first hotel on what will become the economic heartbeat of sin city the strip by nineteen forty-three. Bugsy siegel is all in with. Meyer lansky dream of creating a truly exceptional resort in las vegas like so many mobsters segel's fantasy is to be considered legitimate. He wants to be respected. Not just feared. He thinks becoming a vegas hoteliers. His winning ticket siegel approaches. Dave hull with an offer of by the rancho siegel figures. It's easier to buy something than to build it but hall is a businessman with an honest reputation and like everyone else in hollywood. He's well aware of siegel's gang-land reputation whole wants no part of him at this point. No mobsters own hotels. The organized crime presence is strictly under wraps wounded by holds response. Siegel is even more determined to change that. In nineteen forty-five seagal moved to las vegas with one million dollars in loans from lansky and other mobsters including notorious gangland. Boss lucky luchino. He uses the cash to take over. The stalled plans for a palatial resort on the strip is the perfect location for a mafia hotel. The strip is just beyond the legal jurisdiction of city officials. Seagull wants the place to be top. Notch no expense will be spared. It'll offer a show a nightclub a quality restaurant a spa a golf course. And of course a massive casino the lansky syndicate expects the resort to draw big spenders from around the country. But they also want to. Use it to launder profits from drugs prostitution and other criminal rackets and locals. No nothing of this dark side. Most vegas citizens see siegel as a swab developer with deep pockets of visionary from los angeles who can boost their economy and put the city on the map. The construction boom in post world war. Two america has made material scares. That doesn't stop segal. He relies on the black market to get what he needs and bribes teamsters fast deliveries. He's also got connections in high places. Nevada democratic senator pat mccarron one of the state's most respected powerful politicians steps into hell. He knows the potential economic value of segel's creation but to make sure the project can glide through government. Roadblocks mccarron allegedly takes payoffs from the mob. It won't be the last time. Mccarron helps to grease the wheels. The fbi is well aware of siegel's criminal ties and keeps tabs on his vegas business but they can't prove segel's intent to bribe mccarron his campaign. Contributions are perfectly legal for siegel. It's all as it should be one way or another. He always gets what he wants. In december of nineteen forty-five siegel breaks ground. He tells a local reporter that his project the flamingo will be god damn biggest fanciest gaming casino and hotel you bastards ever seen in your whole lives but by the following september. He's blown through his one million dollars. Budget construction continues nonstop and the bills. Keep growing. if siegel doesn't pay at least half a million of his rising tabbed at the dell webb construction company. He could face bankruptcy. The mob agrees to loan siegel more money. A lot more. The flamingo is cost. Five million dollars and counting and it's far from finished the rising cost his got his gangster colleagues worried. The hotels should be making the money by now on december twenty six. Nineteen forty six siegel stages. The flamingos grand opening. Unfortunately the hotel is far from ready for guest. Rooms are missing bed. sent toilets. Lumber is still piled up on the grounds and the showpiece. Waterfall can't be turned on. Because a cat had kittens in the water. fixtures sump pump. Siegel believes that touching. A cat is bad luck so he forbids anyone to get near them opening night of the flamingo. Hotel and casino is a glittering mess. Storms keep celebrities from flying in from hollywood. The tables lose big money. Some dealers are green and others are stealing but still. The flamingo makes a splash in the first three nights. The hotel draws nearly thirty thousand people more than double the city's population and those guests leave town a lot richer in two weeks. The houses down over three hundred thousand dollars. It's a financial disaster and there's no one to blame but segel every decision has been his the hiring the firing menu. Even the silverware siegel sleep from cold blooded hitman to interior designer has not been successful and he'll pay dearly for his mistakes december. Nineteen forty-six hotel nacional in havana cuba as the flamingo. Struggles through its opening days in vegas. The country's mafia bosses sit down to hash out business hosted by the notorious all powerful. Lucky luchino the guest list includes frank costello mode dalits. And meyer lansky all have ties to vegas. Ben siegel has not been invited. There's a good reason for that. He's the main topic of conversation grim-faced luciano's surveys the bosses and gets to the point. What the hell is siegel doing with that hotel in vegas. He's into us for close to six million bucks. Construction over runs my ass. I smell a rat. Chino turns to lansky meyer. He's yo boy explain. I'm disappointed as you are. believe me. He's made some bad decisions. But i know ben means well. Lucianne shakes his head. I'm hearing it's more than that on the ernie's skimming off the top bosses aren't certain of seagulls pilfering and no one will ever know the truth but all signs point to theft him. This daime so crazy for this virginia hill. She's trouble. she's got him. A swiss bank account loaded with two and a half million of our money. We need to end this now lansky. Swallows hard has a soft spot for siegel. But he knows. There's no room for soft spots in this crowd. I'm sure he'll turn things around lucky. He's a good soldier loyal. All eyes are on lansky. Non are forgiving chano rubs his temples then looks up. That loyalty is gone. We all know. You've been close with ben since the old days in brooklyn but you know this is business. He's gone too far. Do you understand me. Lansky nods slowly watching the ice melt in his drink. Two thousand miles away in las vegas. Ben siegel leans over a pilot. Cash spread over his wine. Mahogany desks hill sits across from him. Legs crossed he likes her cigarette and she smiles at him. Smoke curling from her lips. Seagal has no idea. A decision about his future has just been made in cuba despite his connections. He's about to cash out his chips once and for all. 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But the flamingos finally starting to make money been. Y'all always land. On your feet siegel grants you can smell the blossoming jasmine through the front windows. He inhales deeply turns the page life. He's good siegel doesn't hear the first thirty caliber rifle blasts that pierces his left eye for the eight shots that follow. He's already dead two shots him in the head to more in the chest. All terrified neighbors see is two men who dash waiting car in speed off. You within hours of siegel's death three lansky syndicate associates walk into the flamingo and announce they'll be taking control of the place. King is dead. Business will continue. Everybody gets back to work. Siegel's murder goes unsolved. There are no arrests. But most figure it's a mob hit ordered by luchino and the other bosses their payback for siegel skimming millions. You don't steal from your own people without consequences. The assassination makes national headlines and send shockwaves through las vegas business. Community spoke legit and criminal to supplement his mob. Money for the flamingo. Siegel took loans from straight banks. In salt lake city in phoenix. Those institutions overlooked his unsavory reputation. Um but they couldn't overlook the potential profits from vegas gambling. The mob and civic leaders agree that bad publicity could hurt us city now completely dependent on tourism. Vegas insiders worry about a massive economic slump if there's retribution. A bloody gang war could scare away. Tourists and high rollers. The vast majority of americans are still unaware of organized crime. The mafia has yet to become a household name the lansky syndicate and the people they do business with would like to keep it that way but time passes after segel's killing man that predicted fallout doesn't happen. 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Trouble for the Green Party leader

Party Lines

24:08 min | 4 months ago

Trouble for the Green Party leader

"You're smart funny friends. Who always seem to have the best celebrity gossip. I'm talking about the ones who always know. We should be watching reading or listening to or what have you can pick their brains every week. Pop is a brand new podcast but does exactly that and feels like spending time with your best friends. So join me. Alina mahmoud and a panel of the smartest culture critics that i know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing it. This is a cbc podcast. Hey there i'm rosemarie barton. and i'm elena democracy and this is party lines rosy for the first time in ontario history. The government has used the constitutional option. Duck ford government invoked the notwithstanding clauses week barry so his government could pass legislation limiting third party election advertising after a judge said back violated the right of freedom of speech so this week. We're going to go deep into the charter of rights and freedoms to look at its most controversial. I love it. I love i love it you. Meanwhile green party leader. Paul lost one of her. Mp's to the liberals so that's a third of her caucus now gone and she's facing growing discontent among the membership. She's had the job for less than a year. What is it make the green party. What does it mean for poke. Its party lines drama addition. Let's do this ooh okay. I'm excited for this one. Today show is full of dramatic turns the start with this. Bill just took effect antero. And it's a bill that was introduced by ford and the progressive conservatives and essentially would've does is restrict. Our third parties can spend their money on political advertising ahead of any kind of election. The law that the. Pc's are tinkering with here is not a new law. It was originally introduced by kathleen wynne to keep big money out of politics so before there were certain restrictions on how much third parties like unions are advocacy. Groups could spend a little messing about six months before an election. Ford made that period a whole year before an election but kept the spending limit the same and they made the argument that this move will keep big money out of politics. So unions can't spend big bucks for a whole year before election. I should also add that. It's not just unions. There would also be partisan sort of lobbying groups that would be part of this would be considered third parties like ontario proud. Oh yes that's right so the opposition says hey this is anti-democratic which is of course up for debate. But like that's what an opposite job is is to oppose and say the thing that you're doing is not great anyway. The bill ends up in court and a judge last week. Says actually this. Bill is unconstitutional. Because the pc's pulled this year before the election thing out of a hat like there's no explanation for this kind of arbitrarily said for this period. That's where things get dramatic and i'm like rubbing my hands with exciting here. It's i can really is happening. Okay so doug. Ford recall. The ontario legislature invoked the nuclear option aka sections thirty three. Which is the notwithstanding clause and with the section does for folks who are not familiar is it. let's provinces say well okay fine. This law passes unconstitutional. But we're going to override the charter for five years and we're just gonna do anyway and chaos. I mean not really. Because i've had a lot of conversations with like relatively political friends and not one of them was like you know what i want to talk about is huge story but it is a big deal because it's the first time that it's ever been used in ontario and it's like the courts played this powerful card in ontario was like here's a counter spell this really powerful and it raises the question. Should we have accountable. Card against the chartered. Is this how we should operate this democracy. I love it and we have to answer. That is against in the next ten minutes. It's super fascinating. And it's also a conversation that we have sort of sporadically in this country when a when a province decides to invoke the notwithstanding clause which happens very very rarely producer. Richard wanting to make sure we said that very rarely quebec has used it multiple times. Which probably won't surprise people. They've used it with bill twenty one. Which is the bill that prevents people from wearing religious symbols work in public service positions. They've used it already with bill ninety-six which is their new language law. New brunswick almost used it with a mandatory vaccination policy alberta used it around the same sex marriage law back in two thousand but didn't end up. Having to all that to say is there are attempts to use it. There are threats to us. It would probably be the to put it by provinces to sometimes say we're willing to go this far and then some sort of compromise is reached or someone down or the courts their minds. It's super interesting. I think to look at it from different. Political ideological perspectives liberals Who of course brought in the charter. Under pierre trudeau would say that. This is something that was done. In order to placate a couple of provinces in order for the constitution to be repatriated and that is as you say the nuclear option. It is the last thing any government should ever consider. In order to suspend rights conservatives would have a different view conservatives would say this is vital to allowing politicians and policymakers to push forward their agenda and not be held back by the courts and those positions. Are i think valid in this conversation. I think when the question is is whether in this instance in particular this is about politics as opposed to policy where it makes sense that you would need to suspend the rights and a whole lot of people are certainly saying that this is about politics and and doug ford and his party not wanting to see overwhelming criticism during a writ period leading up to next june. right like what's been an interesting fallout. Is that few people are talking about the substance of the bill. Like sure can change a lot about how democracy works like that is something that a lot of parties do but everyone is now talking about how their getting better like. It's kind of like using a helicopter to get across town like no one's asking about your destination just like why are you taking that to get there and i feel like it's time to overlook the fact that like you mentioned you know in quebec section thirty. Three's like brushing your teeth. You wake up shower and then you use section thirty three to override some stuff but ontario. The idea that this is new territory is significant. Ford has threatened before he spent a use it when he was pushing to reduce the size of the toronto city council but that threat used to be enough that he was the specter of using. It kept it from actually being deployed for the nuclear option. Maybe we should back down here but now that it has been pulled it raises all these questions but the use case because is it actually an emergency to limit spending on third parties people's screaming in the streets. If i hear one more union ad on the radio will lose it like is that what's happening or is it. Perhaps that these third parties are to be blunt less likely to make a big adspend saying you should vote. Pc and it is in fact in ford's interest to make sure that their ability to spend is affected. That's not an affair thing. Nearly every party gets into power and figures out a way to tip the scales slightly to make it harder for the other guy to get support or getting money but not every party pushes the big red button and says it is imperative that our political interest be protected and the charter should like take a seat. Yeah and i think in the case if you look at quebec whether it be around well they would call it a secularism bill or whether you look at language laws. Those are two things that criticized the legislation as much as you want. But they the quebec government. In those two instances plus it goes. Government would argue that they are overriding the charter to protect the identity of quebec the language of quebec and the culture of quebec. You can dispute that. But that's what they would say so you can sort of understand why they might make the case. That section thirty three should be used in the case of this particular one does. I don't think that party. A third party financing speaks to the identity of ontario are need to survive what happened to our rights if we were to be bombarded with third party ads for twelve months like clearly the scale is a little bit different and unfortunately the only way right now for citizens to judge whether the notwithstanding clause is being well used or not is with an election. That's really the only sort of safety mechanism that's built in all of this. The fact that it does expire after five years. That's sort of the normal electoral cycle. And that's when people can weigh in and say you know what that didn't make a whole lot sense to me. And i'm not cool with that. I would critics seemed to be saying though is if you start to use it more and for things like what. We're seeing ontario. Does it start to normalize the use of it. And how does that affect the country's rights overall and. I think that that's a pretty good question to ask. And should we be as citizens worried about that right. It's not so much. The story as would opens the door to because you're kind of in politically unprecedented grounds in terms of this kind of use. The glass and i get is a blatantly political moment to us. I'm than i was standing clause so if ford is going to do this. Does that open the door to other premiers to do that. Certainly the constitutional scholars are banging the tables of course in the back of the room. Because i'm sorry constitutional scholar. They're banging of the table saying no. No this is not this things for and the question is like. Is anyone going to listen to them. Yeah you know to be fair conservatives would say no this is exactly what it's for. This was the whole point of putting this in the constitution was to allow provinces to make these decisions and claim their own powers to make their own laws for it not to be influenced unduly by the court and you can understand that that is the argument that provinces would make but i think you have to also be willing to defend fiercely. Why you're doing it. In this instance. For now i have to say maybe what is allowing the ontario government to avoid a huge amount of criticism. Is what you said off. The top that election financing is not generally why people take to the streets right. This is not this is not. They are not feeling this directly in their everyday lives. And so maybe they'll be able to do it and move through it without it becoming a huge issue but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. I'm speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis i'm jeff turner and this is recall. It's a series about history not ancient past but history that still hot to the touch in this first season explore revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the cbc. Listen app or wherever you get your podcasts. Right you were excited to talk about section thirty three felt. It contained a lot of drama. Somehow let me bring more drama. My friend let me bring drama. Let me bring the actual drama to this podcast and it comes in the form of the green party expecting source of drama. I know i know party that up until a week ago had three Did mp's in the house is now down to party. That you know is sorta just plugging along hoping to improve. Its vote count in the next election and now has been sort of blown up might be the right word at least in hint at least hit by a couple of things by the politics of the middle east complicated and the leadership's response so enemy. Paul has been leader for a year. She does not have a seat in the house as you know as many of our listeners probably know she tried to and failed so she leads from outside of the house. She's an auto pretty regularly. She does lots of interviews and scrums but she is not in the house in able to ask questions of the prime minister and that kind of thing well over the past week or so one of her. Mp's jennifer out win from fredericton decided that she was going to leave the green party and become a liberal. Mp so now she is so that's one of the party. Yes that's gone and you can trace some of this back to when the crisis in the middle east was unfolding most recently annemie. Paul put out a statement that called for a ceasefire condemned palestinian rocket attacks and talked about the excessive military force. Coming from the israelis janika Didn't like that statement. She called it inadequate and she essentially went to bat for the palestinians and called what was happening there and apartheid. Paul manley and other green. Mp did the same. He also criticised the statement. Thought it was too weak. This led the senior adviser to enemy. Paul i mean no. This is so long but just bear with me not to take to facebook on may fourteenth and call out their own. Mp's for what he called anti semitism and discrimination he also called jagmeet singh and sadly green. Mp's he didn't name them. He said that we will work to defeat you calls adviser says will were to defend green polka right right and labeled all these people anti semites now been you know ongoing sort of back and forth around the time line. How much did this actually influence. Jennifer at wynn's decision to leave but what it has resulted in was on tuesday night the counseled green party. Federal council gets together and decides that they are not going to hold a vote yet to get rid of enemy paul but they are going to require enemy. Paul the leader of the party to make a statement that she denounces the comments of her adviser and that she fully supports her caucus. And so that's where we are when we record this. This may happen later today. And if it doesn't it's possible enemy paul's around much longer but like holy shmole like what who knew. The green party could be this fraud What do you think is going on there. I i love this story this story. I love this story so much. And i love it because it is an equal opportunity. Land mine like there's a chance that your blow up every single person's face enemy paul's position has been that jenner cat when crossing has been in the works for a while and the whole conversation about prism of israel with just basically a manufactured reason for her departure but it doesn't look good for her as a leader to have lost a member of your caucus a third of her caucus caucus three people. Genyk you made history with her election but the greens actually do have a few seats in her home province. So there's a possibility. This could backfire on her. Trudeau appears to be easily. The person who comes out on top by gaining an mp which is like a huge win but like her views on israel don't exactly aligned with the liberal parties and there's no good reason why this doesn't present a future source of tension again if not like right now i don't know even like elizabeth may the former leader of the greens has been like quite widely reported to be an odd with the enemy. Paul very publicly and may has been the face of the party for so long that i think it's a big deal to undermine the very first person to take over after you. Everyone has something to lose god. Who the because you know they might think the winners here. Because the greens were nubia their heels for a minute but atwood made it explicit when she was leaving the greens there was only one place she tells you go and that was the liberal party and could that be electability reasons shirt but it's also true that you know if you're a progressive person. You'd look at that and go why would agree. Mp go to the liberals and not be just like the states feel high for everyone and it just like happened very quickly. Yeah i we should point out that win since becoming a liberal has altered her position on the middle east saying now her words were actually intended to send quote strength and support to people in need that she recognizes palestinians and israelis are suffering. So it would seem that someone in liberal parties probably had a conversation with her around dow. Yeah but the other thing to keep in mind here and these are important. Facts to is that enemy. Paul is herself jewish and that she is the only female leader of color in the house. These are not insignificant facts when it comes to this conversation because it then becomes sort of what is going on here in the party. Is this about policy. It or is this about style of leadership and ability to lead a party. Can you even lead a party. That is really built on trying to get everyone. Just sort of respect each other's positions it was only this week that enemy paul really took in my view. Any responsibility for how this unfolded. Here's a bit of what she said and willing to recognize anything that i might have done to contribute to the situation. It's important for me to grow and learn always as a leader and be humble enough to recognize that. We are like months probably. We are probably months out from an election. This is not how you want to be heading into an election even if enemy. Paul does what they want her to do here. And she gets passed this hump. She is deeply deeply weakened by her own party and it seems hard for me to see how she goes into an election in a position of strength. I just don't see it. You might reasonably like the last few years of green party as a journey towards professionalization towards being seen as professional you know sort of national party and this undermines that with one move like be idea that there's this much of infighting intention and the leader that the party was so excited about has arrived. At this point it does a lot. It really does a lot to undermine agrees of worked towards in terms of like building. This image does. The i would say is that they have already been not criticisms but maybe questions about enemy paul's decision making because she's insistent on running in toronto center probably the safest liberal writing in the country. I mean it doesn't get much safer than than center and sure enough in a by-election. She did pretty well but she didn't come even close to winning the by election. She wants to run their again so that continues to sort of raise questions about her judgment as a leader. One can think of wealth for example. There's a couple of hours outside of toronto where the greens already have a provincial seat and so it would be very easy to imagine that you would maybe be able to build support but she was not really having their conversation. I mean the other thing about all of this is that floor. Crossings can sometimes be a harbinger of like an election to come. People start to get restless people start to think about. Oh man am. I gonna get elected if i continue to be with this party. And when you a decision like this it kind of feels like there's an energy in the air that everyone's starting to think about their own future election prospects and if a third of the green caucus feels like. They can't get elected with the green party and they leave. It raises questions about that professionalization. That's been happening inside the green party for so long. Yeah i think it also raises questions about how this party works. Moving forward after elizabeth. May you know who was the leader. The party for so long and who managed to sort of shape it in her image now. Some people you know weren't down with the image but after she decided she didn't want to be leader anymore. There's a question about the so. What is this party and who does this party represent. This is not a problem unique to the greens. You could argue. This is the problem that the conservatives had after. Stephen harper left and andrew. Scheer did not succeed in defining who the party was without steven harper. The it's not unlike what's happening here so it wouldn't be unprecedented to see the first sort of person out of the gate to replace. Liz may potentially not succeed. But i do think that the green party has a more to lose because they felt like they were gaining some momentum and this could totally put the brakes on them that is legit the sound of me on a patio in ontario at last. I haven't done it yet. But i am heading to a lunch right after this. I can't believe you haven't done done done. It's incredibly it's amazing. How many glasses great. I'm just gonna working lunch. So i'm proud of you and proud of anyone who's doing it It's it's also the sound of last call. Last week we asked. How do you feel canada. Should confront its history when it comes to existing statues monuments and even street names. We had some really interesting perspectives. One listener tweeted statues. Don't have feelings or experienced trauma but people do a lot of emphasis is being placed on tangible items markers of intangible relationships people have with this country slicer identity. Maybe we need to talk about where people believe. Their history is located and communicated another listener. Asked this question. Are there any actual reconciliation efforts other than moving statues and renaming buildings. Perhaps in a similar vein. Another listener took issue with the question. They said this is so disgusting. I refuse to have a conversation that involves justifying vandalism. Another listener said. I want to agree with the heavy sentiment. The last couple of weeks news has brought often. I had a smug feeling that we canadians are better than the. Us reality simply makes that untrue. Oh so yeah. We try not to be so This week with sometimes. Sometimes you just gotta go there this week. We want you to weigh in on section thirty three of the constitution. But will make real simple. Did you think government should be allowed to override the courts. And when should they be allowed to do that. You can tweet us. I'm at rosie. Burton elamine eighty eight throwing. The hashtag are hashtag party lines. And let us know you that. Is it for party lines this week from. Abc news and see podcasts. I'm rosemarie martin chief. Political correspondent forced to dc news an element of mahmoud culture writer for busby news. Next week you then for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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June 29: If you can't take the heat

As It Happens from CBC Radio

50:12 min | 4 months ago

June 29: If you can't take the heat

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Continue and our guest. Says they won't stop until president mahmoud abbas steps down neighborhood what's a massachusetts. Couple is shocked when the help of friendly stranger leads them to discover that the person behind years of anonymous homophobic harassment was their neighbor. As serious faux pas quebec's premier says. His new language law is necessary for french. to thrive. but our guest says the bill means english in the province won't survive and the birds are flipping us. If you suspect our so-called feathered friends are actually surveillance robots. The birds aren't real. Movement can confirm that. The last one to believe is a rotten egg as it happens. The tuesday edition radio. that knows. you think you saw a real bird roosting but it was just an honest mistake. Bbc isn't known as canada's hotspot for nothing the tiny village. nbc's interior has had that tagline printed on buttons and the only need to visit the community on a summer day to know the slogan is accurate but for people there this week. The temperatures are altogether too hot on sunday. Lytton broke the record for the hottest temperature ever recorded in canada and twenty four hours later. The village broke. Its own record on monday. It hit a scorching forty seven degrees celsius bernie fan. Rich is trying his best to stay cool. He's a longtime resident of linden. And the head of the chamber of commerce so bernie. How does it feel to live in the hottest place in canada right now. Well hot he but we're often the the hot spot in canada. Never this hot. obviously but it's It's something that You kind of take us too but not totally get used to put up with it and and learn how to sorta workaround. How are you working around it. Well what i do is i get up early. Real early was nice and cool. And i open all the windows and doors of the house the morning to cool the house. God i mean we have. We have a heat pump as well but sort of discount. The house down. And that's the starters. Then i go and do my chores. I did it the country. So i've got i've got horses to look after i've got beasted. Look after got a little mini overture before it gets really hot and then after that i could just do whatever i wanted to do like go fishing for example. How are the horses doing. You know it's interesting because they have been standing within spring distance. I've got to large boomer sprinklers. Going and they haven't standing in and around those boomers sprinklers. Almost the whole time staying cool. That's their that's their solution so they just had on real close to boomer sprinklers. Kudos to you though for a being out and about but also doing your chores now no matter how early it was and that it was marginally cooler because often you know if you've experienced that kind of heavy heavy and very high heat you really just don't wanna do anything. Well i think. I think the body gets conditioned partly took a heat as well i mean i drink lots of water for example and you know with that s you know had on the body burns the co-pathetic certain degree i think Pretty simple when i drive to town. I live five kilometers of town. I don't turn my earth in my car. Because i know how to get out at the other end to avoid the shock from a nice cool comfortable car to to forty five or whatever it is i just keep my windows wide open. And let the body sort of acclimatized. Maybe i shouldn't be doing that but it it seems to work for me. You've got your own personal strategies. Worked out that is great. I heard though that breaking that record attracted some tourist. Yesterday is that true. Well know i've coined a new fraser chair of the chamber of commerce new phrase that we have now is called heat tourism and we've had number of parties that have arrived here because they want to be part of screen never happened before the whole country is learning a lot about lytton right now and there's some fascinating details that our producer has been digging up. It's a community really shaped by fire. As i understand it fires hitting your own way back to the eighteen fifties fire. That's why fires have that. There are very common thing We've had fire right here at our home It was too large fire in british columbia near up until just a few days ago when they got it under control. And i as i'm sitting here. I see this boat at the top of the mountain. Nothing close to where we live here. But they're spilling smoke in the air and and so yes. Fires are not an unusual thing. Here we were speaking with the fire chief in penticton yesterday. He's trying to to keep things light but very much prepared for potential fires there because of the high temperatures. I heard though that you've been helping out. Some local fire crews recently helping them cool down as well they we were one of those staging grounds to attack perspire and we would have. We have thirty forty of the firefighters heading up from summer. Home up into the area of us whether the fire was raging and We happen to have or i happened to build up Well we call it. Lake bernard which is actually a large pond that i built. It's crystal clear water. So i suggested to these to the curves. I welcome to get wet before you had the get wet before you come down where after you come down. And they are so appreciative of that you could imagine climbing a mountainside at forty five or twenty forty six degree temperatures. Not i bet. They are very neighborly of you. I can hear it in your voice. You know you're taking things in stride doing what you can to stay cool and help others clearly but are you concerned that this is more than a novelty that these record highs what they might signal for the future of lytton you i am. I'm very concerned about that. And i was thinking about this very thing a couple of months ago when i read the long term forecast and some of the anomalies that were happening in this area as well as further south in california and whatnot i i developed a deep concern. About what the long term consequences could be here. And how extreme temperatures could get and loan behold were experiencing that now and so. Yes i am. I'm very concerned And and. I i not much we can do about it at the moment but Except takes a long long long-term serious decisions to try to turn this thing around. Which maybe too late i all bernie. I hope you stay safe and stay cool out there. Thanks so much for chatting with us. Thank you very much enjoyed it bernie. Fan rich is the head of the lytton chamber of commerce. Today in bc are warning people to check. In on their neighbors. In burnaby in surrey the rcmp report that they're responding to more sudden deaths than usual and that heat is believed to be a factor for days the west bank has been rocked by street protests. But they aren't about the actions of the israeli government. People have been calling out the palestinian authority which exercises limited self rule in the west bank and calling on president makhmudov to quit. The protests were sparked by the death of navarre banat an activist who had spoken out against corruption in the pa. He died after a rate of his home by palestinian security forces fatty koran is a longtime critic of the palestinian authority and west bank community organizer. Who knew mr bhanot well. We reached him in ramallah. The can you describe these latest protests before us the streets in the occupied west bank or full of sorrow and full of anger and frustration with the palestinian authority for the last week almost every day and hundreds and sometimes thousands of palestinians have been flooding into the main squares. And they have been calling for at mahmoud abbas to leave office and for the pa to be dispensed and the response has been a brutal by palestinian security forces. People are clearly very very angry. So let's take a step back for a second and tell us why people felt compelled to go in the streets against the palestinian authority will. The spark was the murder of a wonderful man and the father of five lazar burnett's missouri was a well respected activist and critic of the palestinian authority and he was a famous influence on social media and so his murder was the hair that broke the camel's back because palestinians have been frustrated with the palestinian authority after it cancelled elections and because of its continued cooperation with the israeli military describes of what's happening in the crowd plainclothes members of security forces. You've talked about that. Tell us a bit more of what you've been seen. Yes so what. Posted security forces have been doing. They dress up as civilians but they have pistols in their back pockets that carry other weapons such as batons and the moment protesters get to the main squares and start marching towards the presidential compound at these plainclothes security forces attack and they start first by harassing women and and throwing stones at them. They start basically catching activists so there would be twenty or thirty of them. Who would run after key activists throw them to the ground. Beat them up at them arrest them. You're clearly vocal about your criticism about what is happening. Mr bhanot was was very critical calling out the corruption that he says he saw in the palestinian authority. What kinds of things was he pointing out. The palestinian authority has tuna of controversies and corruption. What he recently pointed out was a deal that the palestinian authority had signed with the israeli government to to bring in basically vaccines from israel and return for the palestinians. Giving the israeli government a new batch of vaccines that set to arrive from pfizer. Two months from now but it turns out that the pa signed an agreement with the israelis and was going to receive expired vaccines and went that became public. They they pulled out. So bizarre criticized that and nizara funded also spoke about the need for elections want. The palestinian authority announced that they would have the elections. Bizarre was running as a legislative council member and he went when elections were cancelled by president of bus missold was a key critic and demanded that the european union stop funding the pa forces and he had registered as a candidate himself in the palestinian parliamentary elections. They were set for may until they were postponed. As you said by. Mr abbas ease. His resignation is that the only thing that you will will take will accept you and the other protesters at this point. Well there are three key here. The first is is the resignation of the president. That's been the chance in the street. The other is justice foreign izaak and his family. He has five children behind and last but not least that the man's is also for free and fair elections to represent palestinians around the world. You said a of times. Now that you believe mr by not was was murdered by security forces. We still don't have many answers. There's lots to find out still. Authorities have his health deteriorated when he was when they went to arrest him early. Thursday why are you so sure that he was murdered. It's abundantly clear that he he was killed and of course his family in the reserves family was with him when he was arrested he was alive in good health and they reported that the moment he was they entered the house by through the door and they were beating czar onto ahead with different forms of of muddle weapons. We've seen palestinians in the streets protesting the israeli government in recent months certainly protesting settlements in east jerusalem. Then the back and forth bombardments In may now with these protests. How do you feel about the internal political conflict among palestinians themselves right now. This is an internal palestinian splits. Politically it is. The palestinian people demanding that the basically the the local collaborators with the occupation leaves so that the palestinians can truly themselves the international community said he has has relied on the palestinian authority a lot. What is the answer if not them. Then what. The answer is abundantly clear. What needs to happen. Is we need democratic. Elections instead of the international community has been funding mahmoud abbas authoritarian regime as well as the israeli military and what the international community needs to do is to end its complicit with these actors to end its funding to support its recognition of these actors instead allowed the palestinians to choose their own representatives and to choose their future at. That's that's the moral thing to do fatty koran. Thank you for your time thank you. It's a pledge. Fatty koran is a critic of the palestinian authority in a campaign organizer at the nonprofit group of vase we reached him in ramallah for the past five years picking up. The mail has been anything but a pleasant routine for massachusetts couple lee. Michael mclean and brian. I have been on the receiving end of a steady stream of homophobic letters and subscriptions addressed to vulgar names for years. The center was a mystery man. Police said there was nothing they could do without a handwriting sample but thanks to a bit of luck and a helpful. Stranger turned sleuth. Police now say they know who the culprit is we. Recently michael mclean and brian. I in milton massachusetts. Well lee michael. Let me start with you. What's it like to grab your mail now knowing there won't be any more vulgar deliveries well. It's a much different situation now because not only are we not worried about getting vulgar delivery. But we're actually getting daily letters and cards of support Brian just received some the other day from parents of high school friends that he hasn't been in touch with for years. I've been getting we get them from friends Near and far in our town and across the country and so it has just continued this amazing massive court from social media now to hitting our mailbox. Which is a really nice. Change of pace so brian. How did these these letters these subscriptions and deliveries. I begin pretty suddenly and unexpectedly. We open the mail one day and there was a letter on the top of the pile with a pejorative and homophobic toned name with our address on it. We hoped that it was a coincidence on pleasant coincidence but shortly thereafter a couple of days later we received another one and we knew that we had a problem and for the next five years with brief intermission during covid. We received probably over thirty individual pieces of mail with different names that were pejorative and again homophobic in tone. Yeah we're not going to repeat. The language that was used but to be clear to our audiences was a lot more than just minor taunts. Yes we you know have built a hopefully A movement against anti bullying last name. That was used which was michelle. Fritzy which was a attempt to seminars. My partner lee michaels name and add fruit to my last name. You know we were able to take that own it and make it something playful that we could use but most of them were far more vulgar and you have a young son. Did he ask or understand what was going on. Luckily our young son was unable to read until this all started again very recently and so we were able to keep this from him largely until the positive press started recently. Lee michael five years. It's a staggering amount of time to to be facing this every time you go to the mailbox police as i understand it said to you that they couldn't do anything without a handwriting sample so after all this time how were you able to get to a point where there's a break in the case you i would say. The police tried to be as supportive as possible. But there's just simply weren't any leads to go on. We could never get a handwriting sample but then about two months ago this person i think I also all emerging from our homes post covid. You know we were out of sight out of mind for a while. He saw again and side of the sign us up for another subscription this time of the boston globe over already boston globe subscribers so the paper was unsure what to do with subscription cards so they mailed it back to us and suddenly i found myself holding. The handwriting of the person's been for asking us jackpot when he saw that. I'm sure after all this time. But how did you get to the point where you were able to identify a person a potential suspect so i was very carefully holding the card. Afraid that i would mess up fingerprints or something. I wasn't sure what they were gonna do with it And i rush over to the police station But before i took it in. And i snapped a photo of it. And i put the photo on our town wide facebook page. I went into the station. Re explains the whole dramatic story to the officer that was there that day and handed over the subscription card. And by the time i got home i had hundreds of messages from people all across town that some we knew we didn't know expressing just outrage and support and wanting to do all sorts. Exclude thing about figuring out. who's handwriting. That was and one of our milton. Neighbors took it even further and filed a freedom of information act request In the united states and was then eligible to receive all the election documents From the april election in our town and he painstakingly went through and tried to match. The handwriting had posted on facebook with all the samples that he received And he's called me one day and said you don't know me but i think i figured out who's harassing you and they'd just doors away live just a few doors away. This is a neighbor just like the police had told us over the years. It's usually somebody you can see from your house that does this type of harassment and that turned out to be true and it was. It was a horrifying realization. Because this person had been friendly to our faced for over a decade And it also unleashed you know five years sort of emotions that we had been stuffing into a corner because we had no power over the situation of receiving these threats in the mail and now that the person was identified and actually arrested that same day that the handwriting match was made there was released but there with anger That finally able to come to the surface we should tell our listeners that milton massachusetts police are seeking a charge of criminal harassment against the suspect. They're still waiting for a court date brian. Would you like to see criminal charges in this very torn about that. To be very honest with you. I would very much like to see this person. Publicly outed and come forward and show contrition and protect potentially join the fundraiser. That we have that being said. I think it's important that there's an acknowledgement that this is not okay. Actually just today received an email from someone in my business receiving hate mail at their home because they have a chance transgender daughter. I think it's as a result of that for this person to understand that they did something terrible and they should be held accountable so ultimately yes i think i would like to see a charge. Guys have hinted at this but you go into a bit of a movement. Now tell me a little bit more about that. One of our select board members here in town Wanted to show his solidarity and still he just simply said i'm standing with you guys hashtag. I am michelle fruity using the name from the boston globe subscription card and other people immediately jumped on that and said i'm michelle through to. Let's get t shirts. Let's wear them around town. So this person has to see you know the name everywhere and Let's get visible with our support and so in amongst having all of those feelings that was talking about earlier where the anger and resentment was coming to the surface. Brian said why don't we create a fundraiser. And sell those t shirts that say hashtag. I m michelle through the and we'll donate all the money to The gender and sexuality alliance at the high school in the middle school. And so i got on board with that. Brian designed up some t shirts and created the fundraiser. And just a few weeks later. We have now just past. Thirty thousand dollars raised pravo. Well that must feel great after all this does. It's incredibly rewarding And surprising. I expected to raise a couple of thousand dollars to support our kids in town and make sure that they know that they're not alone and was simply overwhelmed by the response and donations. That have come from as far away as new zealand at this point. Wow that's fantastic lee. Michael brian thank you so much for your time. Thank you have a great day. You too take care bye bye. That was lee. Michael mclean and brian firs. We reach them in milton massachusetts. Which is a suburb of boston. And you can find more on that story on our website. Cbc dot ca slash ai. H we me senior. You you right. The carpenters birds due to be close to you. How else can they gather data on your every activity. I know that sounds implausible. Birds rarely seemed to know what they're doing. Let alone what your doing. But we're not talking about real birds decades ago. The cia replaced birds with robot birds. Which have us under constant surveillance. Now that you think about it it makes sense right. I i assume you're nodding if not at least pretend. The birds are watching. The birds aren't real movement. Apparently started fittingly enough with a tweet in two thousand seventeen and ever since people have flocked here. Founder peter mcintyre last week. They gathered in springfield missouri. Mister mcintosh preached the goose bill to ko l. our tv. All twelve billion birds in the united states are artificial. What makes me think that I mean i think the evidence is all around us burns. Sit on power lines. We believe they're charging on power lines. Louis We that burden on cars liquid tracking apparatus. Now some people believe this whole birds aren't real phenomenon is a lark a satirical take on outlandish conspiracy theories such as cunanan. Just a joke one. That's helping its founder gathered decent nest egg but i salute mister mcintosh for his courage in exposing the truth. It's a real feather in his cap. Not that there are real feathers anymore. I'm just laying host of the village from cbc podcasts. For years men were vanishing from toronto's gay village the community had always suspected a serial killer. And in the end they were right called a podcast that transcends true crime by the new yorker and recommended by the atlantic and esquire. Find the village on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcasts. The catholic church in its religious orders have signaled that they are open to releasing records about the residential schools. They ran but paying out. Compensation is another story today. Cbc saskatoon is reporting. Just how little the catholic church has paid specifically in saskatchewan in two thousand and five. The church committed to raising twenty five million dollars to pay survivors across canada. So far it has paid only four million and just thirty. Four thousand two survivors in saskatoon time in saskatoon. The local roman catholic diocese has spent twenty eight million dollars building a state of the art cathedral that coupled with the recent confirmation of unmarked graves and kamloops and calluses first nation leaves. Frank badger feeling disheartened. Mr badger is a residential school survivor. Who lives near that new cathedral in saskatoon and a warning. That parts of this interview are disturbing so frank. You live very close to this new multi-million dollar cathedral what is it like to see it and live so close to it very good feeling. It's not a very good feeling. Because i know what's going on behind the scenes i'll say well they're willing to pay for. What is it twenty nine million dollar funeral a half million twenty eight and a half million dollars a funeral and yet for all damage done from from where i went to school. Duck blake. michael visit a school. It was built in eighteen ninety four and shut down in nineteen ninety six so over a hundred years and all. That damage is done over that time. They're reluctant to pay twenty five million dollars. I don't understand that we should let our listeners know that the catholic church agreed to raise twenty five million dollars to pay survivors of residential school. So far they've only paid out four million dollars. What do you make of that ratio It's not right is just not right there so reluctant to let go of their money. You know unless benefits them like i. I was in residential school for ten years. And just to let you know what kind of people they were for money. These have little pictures of Little pictures of a little kid on there and they used to call them pagan babies. That's what they called us to. They call the pig is because the savage. He's a big but they used to do is when you've got mail and if you've got money from your parents. Quarter did take five to ten cents auditor for the pagan baby back then. Five and ten cents a lot of money so sorry you had to go through that frank. I mean i don't know you as i understand. It became a teacher when you grew up. Yeah swell. I actually came holic i i drank for about twenty years and when i decided to sober up my daughter was six months old and i realized that what was happening to my to my is what happened to me with my mom on the elected. I was abused though. That's how they do something with my life now. My kids are going to be raised exactly the same way. I was raised in residential school. And i've been sober now for forty one years congratulations. I decided to go back to school. I finished beggary twelve. I went straight into universities. I got my degree in education. And there's better fact. I just retired about three or four years ago. After twenty seven years teacher the reason. I brought up the fact that you were a teacher is because it's such an interesting decision that you made given what you experienced and i wondered how it informed the kind of teacher. You were what you told the classes about your experience. What did i told the passes about my experiences where one one incident really kept coming back to. My mind was a spelling class with sister entity in grade three and they had about twelve words on the board and she said there's towards that sounds the same and there was eight eight something and there was eight people but when i looked at it was there's eight and snake so i i thought i told her i said eytan snakes on the same. Oh my goodness. I couldn't believe she come up and slapped me on the head. And she said western stupidly ws all my goodness. You're an idiot. This really degrading and for me. All the things that happened in residential school. We're lived experiences. I didn't want to two other kids. Having lived all of that when you learn that that lawyers with the catholic church successfully argued in court that churches tried their best to raise. The money promised that twenty five million dollars for survivors but had no more money to give. How do you respond. How do you process that. It's so ridiculous. All catholic religion is the biggest business one of the biggest businesses in the world whereas about six billion dollars and they have all these other bigger than scotsman. Now where in the world can become up five million dollars. Not only did their actions caused a lot of damage was in within samolis but now they're refusing to help these people like myself to get back on track to get my life back and the pope not apologizing. Why would he apologize. I can understand if you could speak to the pope directly or even closer to home to the roman catholic diocese of saskatoon. What would you say to them. I would use a few choice. Whereas i learnt. I can't say over the phone or anybody. I mean i like. I'm still angry with The nuns priests to a meeting in to and from where. I work that four questions on the board the one. I really remember if you could bring a historical figure back into now. What would you say this historical figure. And i told him i would bring the john. Mcdonald's is here. And i was asking him what the hell is going on in his mind when he decided to do this to the native. People you've known and so many other people have known you know the kinds of things that happened These residential schools but the stories coming out of kalona. and and calluses. Do you think we're at a point that that these realities will put a different level of pressure on the catholic church to do more this time. That's a good question. When i heard about the camera moves with two hundred fifteen cats i cried. I literally broke. Non chris mostly i feel guilty or lucky that i got other residential school alive after seeing that especially with colleges seven hundred fifty one on my grades. They found their thinking about his knowledge. Very scary. I just wanna make sure you're okay because you've been so generous with your time and your stories. Do you have support with you. My biggest support with me right here. That's my wife. I can talk to her about anything and she herself has been through residencial school and so glad you have each other franken. I'm so fortunate that we got to speak really. Thank you so much for your time. Oh you're quite welcome. I will thank you very much. Should have a good day okay. Bye-bye frank badger is a residential school survivors. We reached him in saskatoon. A national indian residential school crisis line has been set up to provide support to anyone affected that twenty four hour. Hotline number is one eight six six nine to five four four one nine erin. O'toole had been pitching himself as captain cannaday but in ottawa. Today the conservative leader said that he too will be using july first to contemplate. The country's failures erin o'toole has been doing his best to link justin trudeau to moves to cancel day activities in cities like fredericton and victoria. But this morning. Mr auto was asked to square that stance with the prime minister's words about using the day to reflect on the injustices done to indigenous people. When you cancel an event that celebrates our country you lose the opportunity to not only celebrate the great aspects of our country and the opportunity to challenge the citizens of your community of your province or the or the country in general to do better in the future. I think as i said last week our country is not perfect. But i'm inspired by our commitment to do better our commitment to reconciliation in one of my communities on canada day. We had a first nations chief. Who would speak about reconciliation. If events don't take place you can't celebrate and you cannot rededicate your efforts for this country. It's time to build our country up to to address reconciliation to address inequalities not by cancelling celebrations or taryn candidate down but recommitting to the to the principles at the core of this country. I'm just curious. How are you going to celebrate candidate. You know given the thinking about this issue at this time thank you. I'll be in my writing in durham. I talk about how proud i am to. From bowmanville. por- perry and represent my hometown in parliament health restrictions still tapering off in in canada. A small gathering with seniors. That'll be socially distant. I'll be visiting with with Some people in the riding. The events are very subdued. But as. I will do this year as i have in the past. I will talk about our country how we need to do better. But also how. I think canada's the best country in the world and our commitment to it means we need to commit to reconciliation. I've talked to our veterans including indigenous veterans in the past. Trying to hold up people that were were not given the respect. They deserved in the past. That's how i think how we build a great country. We hold up people from our past and celebrate them because they weren't given the credit like tommy prints and other incredible indigenous veterans and we recommit to reconciliation and to making sure that dark chapters of our past like the the horrible residential school program. That should fuel our desire to meet the calls to action that have been out for six years and provide a roadmap for us conservative leader. Erin o'toole speaking to reporters in ottawa. Today a group of english speaking quebecers say politicians have failed to protect their language so they formed a task force to do it themselves. The main target of the task force is bill. Ninety six the proposed new language law would add new restrictions on the use of languages other than french. It would also amend canada's constitution to recognize that quebeckers form a nation and that french shelby the only official language of quebec. Marcus tabachnyk is the former head of quebec's english language school boards association and he's one of the founders of the task force. We reached him in montreal. Mr tabachnyk what do you think that bill ninety six might do to the english language and english speakers in quebec. You'll ninety six is an attempt by the government to we race english from visibility in quebec and as they can call it anything. They want in terms of trying to protect the french language. There's very little that deal that actually protects the french language. It really looks to remove the english language from disability From usage and to discourage anyone living here from using the english language. Just give us a sense of the nuts and bolts of the bill. You say remove english entirely others may say restrict the use of english but take us through the nuts and bolts of it well restrict the use of it and removing it or not that far from each other and given that they Intend to extend extraordinary powers to an unofficial appointed group Watchdog group called the the office of the french language who are going to have to go into businesses really anywhere. They want to check the language of usage to check memos to check cell phones to check computers aid. It's extraordinary powers. And what they're looking for is the use of the english In everyday use that to me is not restricting gingrich. That's trying to rid ourselves themselves with english. Prints lagos says the new powers are necessary for what he calls the quebec nation to thrive and for the french. Language to thrive. How do you respond to that. He said it himself. It's the quebec nation. And that's his goal here. His goal is to create a separate quebec within canada because he has learned over two referendums that he can't win that complete separation but his goal and he has stated very clearly since he was at partaken becua- minister many years ago. His goal is to create the nation of quebec using quebec laws using the laws that he and his party wants to put into place. That's the real goal of bill ninety six. And it's another step on the way to gaining that sovereignty-association they used to call it when they tried to sell it to us years ago. He's been pretty clear though that he does not support separation or sovereignty. Are you suggesting otherwise. I'm stating that. He has never lost his desire for quebec state of quebec nation and he can say that he doesn't support separation but he's creating a separate quebec that will be different from the rest of canada and not just in language but in the way it treats its minorities it's gray shen and many other aspects of life so he may not he may say he doesn't support separation but the effective bill Ninety six can be akin to a form of separation. Parliament approved a motion supporting bill ninety-six by vote of two hundred eighty one to two so if bill ninety six represents is you say such a threat. Why don't you think any of the federal parties have come to your defense. I'm not sure that i can answer. For any of the federal parties there are elections. There's elections coming. There are out. There's a lot of politics involved here. they were snookered by the blockade bay wa into voting for it because included in that motion are a lot of what you would call statement of fact. The fact is french is the majority language in quebec. Well you see. It's hard to vote against a fact What's missing for us. His people at the federal level and the government specifically from saying this is unacceptable. Canada is fundamentally not fundamentally it is rescinded. Dna of canada for the last fifty years that we are bi lingual country. We brag about being bilingual. We brag about equality and the equal treatment of people across this country. Have we accomplished it yet. No but we continue to work on it. The problem with bill ninety six and with see thirty two is that they can effectively put an end to canadian. Bilingualism that is a threat to all canadians. How does your task force plan to fight this. I think for i. We have to raise awareness because you know. Governments are pretty smart when it comes to controversial. They liked to deposit them at the end of session when people are either going on vacation in our case. We're not only going on vacation. But we're trying to emerge from the covert pandemic people's minds are elsewhere. We've got playoff hockey. Going on in quebec here in different central. Federal election ran. So there's so much else going on. This is what political parties do when they want to Put through legislation that is controversial. We have to raise awareness our task force together with other groups. We're all fighting. The same battle is to raise public awareness. Not only here in quebec but across the country that these bills are a threat to the nation of canada. And and we do that by the outreach that we have by do we public public statements and and a variety of other plans that the task force is working on. It's still very new. It's only a couple of weeks Old we've had very very positive reaction to it and It's time for the minority language community in quebec to speak up and not just to go. Well it's just another thing from the government mr tabachnyk. Thank you for this pleasure. Marcus tabachnik is the former head of quebec's english language school boards association and he helped found a new task force. That's fighting the provinces new language. Bill mr tabachnyk is in montreal. Talk if the pandemic has left you so unsociable you can't even muster small talk with your pizza delivery person. You might consider relocating to austin texas because now when you place an order at southside flying pizza you're also getting a chance to really savor the impersonal touch when your meal is brought to your door by a robot. Actually it's just brought to the curb closest to your door. Then you have to punch in a code and grab the food yourself with your inferior human hands which you still have to use to insert the piping hot slices into your organic nutrient whole fueling. What the pizza. Robot will definitely think of as your strangely moist and problematically permeable human body. But don't worry robots aren't taking over there just taking our jobs but only because they are better at them and in austin they're also taking over bike lanes because they have three wheels in their roughly the size of a bike and because the local government said they could this displeases some of the human cyclists because the pizza robots are kind of wide. Maybe too wide to get around in traffic also. They lack compassion. And also despite assurances they may have hidden laser cannons the city. Slogan is keep austin weird and this whole initiative meets that requirement. But austin nights don't smash into the pizza. Robots make sure cycle with laser focus. Or you could end up the focus of their lasers. You've been listening to the as it happens. Podcast or show can be heard monday to friday on. Cbc radio one following the world at six you can also listen to the show on the web at cbc dot ca slash a. h. Thanks for listening. Saw and i'm chris for more. 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Ep 17 Healing After A Breakup

Life, Honey & Missy

13:36 min | 11 months ago

Ep 17 Healing After A Breakup

"Due to the sensitive content of this episode listener's discretion is highly advised cooling or day that kappa miami. Nobody knew by non mcclellan. Welcome to life honey and mri. If you are still feeling the pain after a break op yours. Still in the process of healing yup. If you don't know that now you know what it means. The healing process takes a little time. But it is better to be totally healed in all aspects of life before you decide to ride the love train again. Walk ins and other episode of a life hundred missy. N n today's topic. We are going to be talking about healing after a break up. Complete healing is beneficial to the person who got hurt and will be very useful in the future when you are ready to love again. Gazillion while anna baggage aka lanka. Dhaka's another relationship in one winker pinnock bullet guy new local car or whatever the case may be ending relationship can trigger so much emotions like this pair and up about bitterness self pity and sad to say some people even get to the point that they just don't want to deal with life altogether. Yup nasek banica baron just to stop all the pain and sadness in egypt along la noma were lon along which is a selfish act and very very wrong. Supply cayenne bill. Ninety cents per obama sobbing walesa google walesa numb reassure new boy the momentum demand nantucket network it to months-long that putting begin on kazakh kids among omar the own. But that is not actually right. Time doesn't measure the intensity of feelings. You have for your ex for the person you still love and democracy an emotional attachment nagin risk nestle not beset by lanka your ortega cappella geua late delegates at genuine. Your nagging election young. The lower normal langham massaquoi guitar gaining sobre healing after a break up is a process that can make you a better person. Admit you know mosa why but in mcginn bitter guy or the gestapo getting hurt can change a person so annoying are by young healthy ways to healing does not sung. Break up okay. Let's face it different people. We have different types of grieving wading. Waste more to heal after break up is not going to work for people your age or your gender whatsoever so me my gun on dellagha pedal you should do or you should use the waste that you think is best for you and that is gonna work for you okay. So here are the things that i usually tell people or something about on. My friend scorn usually nick. That sack. and how do i heal but by new owner gago in gorkha sokaia hebraic langham gustavo now makali'i mood or goose tacona kilo among bozo hotel socket dong new one yesterday. So what. I always tell. Them is not to suppress their emotion. Do not suppress your emotions. Do not pretend that you are okay. Hype nasa lobe. More i saw but congo suck bein. Maybe you are known to be a strong person and tendency is to suppress. What's your feeling but that won't help not at all. Hi behaving maheen aca or aca say that will help you in the process if you suppress your feeling store just holding it in or simply putting aside cup oxidant that'd be more lawyering suckered hindi an alliance assab org gear as early as after the break up cry not among hand or he'll be angry. If you want release all the emotions do not set it aside gazette. This is the best time to slowly unload. The pain denied. Alemao this will take time. 'cause indiana's the eastern yarkon lamenting be more. Well i n more relying circuit borough. This will help a lot. But i'm gonna. I knew the more nevada papa norm obscene young circuit adam domain modere. Break up near this or this luna the suck pancake or kayla means san number heating makina. You have to help yourself heal and this is the first step in you socket. Case isn't tabby more cosy up. You fail to acknowledge the pain medallions next relationship more and it can ruin everything gustin mobile anybody who in more the. He'll sir realize sean. More in the past. Helen thought the healed so yes. Release all the pain. Cry if you want cry if you can. You don't have to be afraid to show your emotions network. It's strong person a hindi. He is super. Seo emotion labus moran also be patient with yourself. Give yourself time to fully recover from the heartbreak. Just jump into a relationship but along. Puna noon la in just to feel good about yourself unbending tickets a bias to jump from one relationship to the necks just to feel in the emptiness that they feel without even evaluating the failed relationship. Coups ancilla guiling cigarroa. Somehow it will feel the void. But i think my gigging very brief lung-yuan until you realize now you're just being rebellious geico relation guiding. Get totally healed. This is very common relationships. End up because of a third bark. Casella baron lahore known significant other more so on tendency more mccain of iba it behind them was a social media account. Mona hey i have already moved on. Hey my boyfriend now. Home by go. Hey michael indiana ohio and so do whatever you want messiah wholly-owned young cassini gigging nike gingrich actual and not bang among orange. I'm ca- gutsy less than new relationship without even thinking or unabridged egging me and abidina gimpo blamer about him. Stylegan do not rush gingrich. Bilious sky by mukasa aqualung classic. Bongino armenian was stockman. Galata was at the same time. No hormonal said more cacique alanon and didn't rely shona melancholy. Kellyanne is because goose to more epa mukasa canyon. You are healed you. You already moved on. So yeah it's what do you call this trying to hide your emotions. Sputtering yemen or put. The nine was second year in a. You don't need him by using somebody else. Hello that is not gonna work. You won't be able to heal if you keep using other people in the benefit gab. But in the end it will just ruin you more and it will cost you more. Pain named the more in achaia longmoor adam. Dumb more self care is very important after a break up staying your room skipping meals and being does some lanka a hindi. Maha dulong ceo understandable. Now some people do these things. Say the young mula on how to cope with break ups or sadness but at the same time doing such things will just put you down. Lalu knocking sassaman moba biking. I love songs. It will just break you over and over again. You can probably do this. Assembly line on break up no but to keep it going for weeks or months is kinda unacceptable. Because you aren't helping yourself to heal. If that is the case staying active going out with friends and family. Spending time with people who matter are the best ways to help you get back in the game. Kiss him. Acquire thermo mechanical along love songs or km annoyed gunung love stories macapa. Also you're that same will up. If you keep doing it it will just break your heart. Even more kosei may me memories knit together. Me your lung. You munger happy moments. No your plan on when you own your name being number two but together gossiping lenient. Iba so must have sucked in gaza. So self care is really really important. That sap by kiel got bug elleman. Giggling keelung sound break up or say sang failed relationship. So help yourself always lying merrin key and your friends and family cynic mama. Jose ceo singapore only on lily. Takhar home annaba. Similar nagla had better take baby steps lung one thing at a time. Do not rush. But annulment cupping netapp was number so i fully healed cannata at the day of magma lung by go hide massakin command alumni on at least utilizing kidnapping benjamin moore or nasa more young socket from the past by merimee elegant boy bingo in there to canal macapa move owner maha bug luxury enough fully healed ghana or totally healed gonna be at again broussais so nat in one of the best nabet going but at logan pylon mccullough socket nunca hop on. And also don't forget to pray that helps a lot. Payer helps a la la luna kappa undamaged among denied adam dumb or the nod bella so but i'm hakka julian ceo healing takes time in needs a lot of mental effort. So do not force yourself to heal a few days after break up. That is not possible. Okay understandable newman a process eight. Okay mock lang number. The in breakup don't necessarily mean failure. Sometimes it the way. Bottom allow mona the hindi bellagio on among obara adding and people young. Though one at may nikola unbalanced the owner must not add up at superbug mama. Na kaya thing guy when you're finally healed a from a break up you will be able to say that you have recovered and eventually be able to go on with your life to live your life happier without the baggage of all the pain. The heart aches in the bad memories in the past. I hope you have picked up a thing or two the episode nato. If you need someone to talk to you know what to do you can always reach out through our email. it's life honey in mri at g. Mail dot com. Thank you so much for listening today. Catch me again next week. Yup public next week. I promise for another episode of a life honey and missy and don't forget on wednesday we have our chapter three of the story that i wrote my fiance sister. All right. i'll see you all next week. Stay safe y'all hey thank you for listening. I just want to remind you that. The content of this episode is for informational purposes only base for life experiences in such. So this this replace professional judgment all right until next week.

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Episode 935: A tribute to Charles Grodin

The Strategists

1:20:17 hr | 5 months ago

Episode 935: A tribute to Charles Grodin

"This is a strategist episode. Nine thirty five insane. Veltri with the has always stephen carter corey hogan guys thursday. How you doing. I'm doing great. You know it's thursday night. You know how much i look forward to thursday nights. Okay yeah why yeah. 'cause we spend time with you guys by my two friends corey so he didn't say two of my friends. He said i only noticed what he told me. But yes i have committed to now that is. That's just sad. You would be bad for making fun of you all these all. These shows all the times behind your back is on the credits of the show side. Corey how are you doing. Your washington wizards are in the playoffs. They clinched the playoffs. How the spurs last time we were talking about the spurs not making the playoffs but they looked like she. And i was prescient. I knew they weren't going to go. They had a horrible first half against the grizzlies. I've i've given up on on their season a long time ago. I feel like they need a bit of a reset with a lot of their of their talents. So we'll be on the bandwagon my friend dc rising. It's all happening by that. I mean we're going to the second round buddy. I i'm ready. I'm ready for. I'm ready for the the losers life of the playoffs. Which is the second round stephen carter. I'm not going to ask you about Ozzy football you never offer. You're gonna love me reverses rich in richmond. It's a big night anyways. I gone lions. If you're wondering. I think the lions are gonna take it. Stephen carter were. You surprised that you didn't get canceled because the last episode where we discussed the sensitive issues of israel and palestine. I went back and listened again. Because that's the level of ego that we present here and i thought we walk the line. We walk the line really well. Both during i sounded like it yourself cancelled in your retrospective analysis of your analysis. Always claim you wanna give up for two. Why corey do you save. What he's just ready to. Just roll out that rope zane. I just feel like the strategist doesn't have the same kind of equity built up. Yeah but Paul read ab the podcast. A conversation between two fred's would do just as well. i sure. Do you know. I need to talk to us about something before we jump into the headlines Because i don't have much time about in the show about this. And i've just come to mind steve. Allen has another extension on his report. Can you give me your quick forty five seconds each on the inquiry that has an extension and maybe also answer the question at this point. Should he just be using the crowd sourced document. We have produced for him. Not we you yeah has. The listeners have produced four him at this point. Carter jump in and then corey. Let's get a take on both these before jumping to the headlines. I mean absolutely the document that has been created by the strategist podcast listeners. Best document As always our listeners. Come through with With everything that is needed and they did it in a timely fashion. They only took one delay and made it all happen. I mean we did re post it with the second. I just third delay. How many delays has been. It's at least two four four four. Oh my god. I put three. I'm so embarrassed this it. It's just embarrassing. And i'm really glad that we've got loyal podcast listeners. Who can complete a google doc. Faster than steve. Allen can complete an inquiry corey. Should he be just referring to the google doc. At this point. I think our listeners could have done better. They didn't try very hard. They could have tried more and on top of that. I'm just disappointed in them. Generally about most of the things going on in their lives. Are we going to actually talk about. What what steve. Allen report is for anybody who hasn't been subjected to this in the province of alberta. Everyone should be subjected to this in the in in the entire world. Some context the steve allen report is the the report into anelle berta activities. I think technically called like the anti oil campaign inquiry. Where a prominent calgary unnamed. Steve allen was commissioned to look into foreign sources of funding that we're coming into alberta to talk shit about the oil sands and and this has now been going on for two years an yeah two years. This is commission. It's been going or the inquiry has been going and nothing to show for it. Nothing to show for it except for a couple of documents that were kind of teased out to us that have a bunch of climate. Denial ism and crazy copy-pasted conspiracy theories so not looking good right now and getting into the fourth delay. The excuse given was because they were sued. So you know you're always in great stead when that's happening here but know. Be easy on steve allen. The creative process takes time. If if you're going to find a nice story tell that you've pulled out of thin air. You got to wait until the muse hits. Yeah yeah no. The trailer look like a dumpster. Fire can't wait to see the movie. I'm looking forward to whenever this gets the year twenty twenty-nine or sonic the hedgehog. It's odd saudis. Actually pretty good. Cats looked horrible from the trailer. It looked like it was insane. Cats has a this the the initial documents of inquiry. I had a very cats like feel i. I think this is definitely the cats of inquiries. So that'll be good. Let's move on to our headline stephen carter. I always like to go to your first for a headlines. Because i know you're not gonna fill time waste based do any of that. This first headline comes to us. From ap five oregon counties vote to leave the state they want to create a new state greater ohio. Idaho so carter once again. They wanna leave oregon. They wanna create greater idaho on tuesday voters. In five counties in eastern oregon urged county officials begin to promote border relocation and joining idaho while president biden defeated former president donald trump statewide and last fall's election five counties heavily favored trump the group move oregon's borders for a greater idaho that is actually the advocacy groups name. Very literal is behind the effort. In addition to rural eastern oregon. The plan greater idaho would also encompass large swats of northeastern california just. Fyi the also what the parts of california just just throwing it in their carter. What do you think of this is. This is this seem right. Does it about time that these these five That these five counties leave and just kind of decide their own future so to speak which might be a theme of the show in some ways been not aho. i have not been to idaho. No well i can get behind a greater idaho because every time i go to idaho i-drive straight into washington. So i can understand. Why not very nice. Good let's get that's what we call wordplay which also might be at the end of the show foreshadows leaving that right there corey which you first of all i have to ask you. Are you also a fan of a greater idaho. Well i don't know if i've ever been to idaho in alberta a lot of our tv stations. Come from idaho spokane coach. Yeah we'll spokane's in washing washington idaho. That's that's what people see people. Wanna get right out. Idaho straight to spokane. I know i've been there. I've also been to sandpoint boise. I've been all these places. I can assure you corey. You're not missing much. There is the place with the with the rollercoaster. Though there is a There's a theme park with a roller coaster and a waterpark. Yeah thanks for your travel tips here questions. Please keep going great stuff so five out of thirty. Six counties in oregon have voted to secede from oregon enjoying idaho. That's pretty that's pretty funny. Although i think it's sort of telling that this is the state of america right now where it's i just don't want to be near you or with you if i disagree with you and so as much as we can laugh about this a bit of a canary in the coal mine too. I just think it's a bit wild. And how long until they start turning on those uppity liberals in boise right like this. This doesn't conclude with greater idaho. This concludes with the rural idaho. Seceding from the cities of idaho. So it's it's unfortunate but it's like the great sort by other means right. I don't want to be in a democratic state. I wanna be a republican state and nobody's going to entertain this the The state house is run by. Democrats in oregon. You mean no one's going to entertain them. Just jumping into idaho and also take parts of california alongside. Can i tell you why it actually might like. It's not gonna happen this time. Not in this context but isn't a little dangerous because imagine if you're in a state that's more of a swing well not a swing state. That wouldn't be great example but one where you're actually kind of somewhat not necessarily share. You've got a mortal lock on it. Maybe you wouldn't mind saying goodbye to some of those rural areas if you're a democrat straight political point and you know what i just think it's unfortunate that this is this is how we're not talking about things in the united states. They've really they've really kind of their pants have dropped and they've fallen on their faces. It's funny to point laugh but at a certain point you're like oh damn somebody should call the cops. Speaking of speaking of calling the cops. This next act was almost criminal. This one comes to us from the recount Vaccination new york mayor snacks on fry's while announcing offers for free food with vaccine. Now i we are audio bay show but i will encourage everyone and anyone listening to this. Podcast You can hate me later to find this clip of new york mayor. Bill de blasio eating fries and having burger shake shack which by the way shake shack has teamed up with de blasios office to get more new yorkers vaccinated by offering them free vouchers with the burger or sandwich. It is most disturbing video of a person eating fast food. Which by the way. Another common theme of our show steven carter. Have you seen this video of the incredibly unpopular mayor de blasio trying to sell burgers and fries vis-a-vis vaccine and or vice versa. I cannot believe. I've missed it. I cannot believe that. I've missed watching bill billy fries. This is highly upsetting for me. But isn't he term limited. Isn't this the problem with term limits. At some point you reach give you don't give a fuck level and you can eat french fries. Well you know your opposition is all doing whatever the hell they want and you go for man. I'm not doing anything. you can't give me out of here. i did you. Just ignore terms limit at dan. Right i did. I did that. Corio bay don't don't fail me on this. This was this was viral for all the wrong reasons. Please tell me you have see this did you. Did you know that earlier this week. He also had a news conference where he was wearing. Jersey terrible bad bad know like he saw the movie bulworth in the nineties and he just couldn't wait to be that guy but it's just it's it's not landing. It's pretty harsh. it's pretty brutal. And i guess that's the reason why we should get rid of term limits because still running for office. I mean. he's clearly in give no fox coast mode and he's just having a fun time and part of me admires the fact that he's just doing whatever he wants because he's not gonna be president. He's not got a cabinet position waiting for him. He's not going to be mayor. He is not particularly popular right now. And he's just letting it all hang out. I mean isn't the lesson of politics that sometimes you need to know if you're a leading character and bulworth or an extra on dave i mean. Isn't that ultimately the only listed politics guys. We have to talk about this next one. The military has got a massive problem. We've seen it time and time again. This one comes to us from see tv. Canadian soldier charged with feeding cannabis cupcakes to artillery unit during live fire exercise. I didn't see this. Yes dated army. Gunners is facing more than a dozen tar charges after. She allegedly served cannabis laced cupcakes to her unsuspecting artillery unit during a live fire exercise or documents allege stephen carter. The military issues seemed to run deep in this country but who knew they also ran high. Your oh nice. Thank you anything to add. Did you did you even watch the dope. Bill de blasio clip during the last break record was going on about it. You don't even do that did you. Didn't really find the will to care. And this one is taking me off. Guard is well. I did not anticipate this. I was waiting to hear about charles grodin. Dying current we. We've seen before that. This is where you learn of. This is the shocked. According to react to before i move onto our next one. Okay let's move onto our next door. This would come to us from apple insider because going here guys know where i'm going here. I have no clues canadian. Prime minister justin trudeau busted for using fake. Mac apple's sticker yes. that's right. A photograph of justin trudeau shows him using a hp windows laptop which wouldn't be remarked on but it was sporting an apple sticker. This was of course on the liberal. Party's i believe fundraising page. Where trudeau is seems to a picture of trudeau. Just if you haven't seen it yet. The back of his laptop lid exposed a sticker with an apple sticker covering hp logo while troodos Presumably on a web call of of some sort or zoom meeting of some sort corey. Did you see this. Did you guys see this. Dnc this okay. Okay and and your thoughts. What do you think happened here. I i have an hp sticker on my apple but these things happen. I'm sure i'm sure somebody put it on because it was kind of a funny joke. It's a silver computer. It looks like a mac book. It's not really a mac book and sometimes you forget that you've done something stupid like that. It's like the bumper sticker. You put on that you ignore and then you don't understand why somebody is honking at you and it's because you've got Hard if you're horny on the back of your geo metro so just the most bizarre explanation. I've ever heard no money that that is what happened. There was someone who is decker. Who was setting up the photograph. No that's wrong. There's some photographs computer. Don't you know they put rattle on because they want it. The way to signal that he was working on a macintosh because a macintoshes infinitely york truly believe room way. Liberals hold on some truly believe in room of fucking liberals. There wasn't one person with a mac book. This is your brilliant theory. Yeah because they had them is had them all because they had that connection so that he had ethernet connection all set up an bullshit photograph that was staged in order to win. Points with the lip. So you think links you think you know you think it was more likely. They had a extra sticker around put on an hp laptop than they did a dongle. Get into the ethernet. That's your theory liberals for right there. Yeah i feel like. I feel like paul. Take a paul put. Put up a poll right now. Reality is not a democracy. Carl carter novel concepts so many things i need to. I need to unpack your first of all. Not a mac book but looks like a mac but might be the greatest metaphor for justin trudeau with. I- affectively secondly. I don't know this what you haven't asked me to weigh. But i thought i thought it was a staffer who was probably had an internal joke. The liberal party is down in their fundraising numbers. They may not be able to afford macbooks for all their staff at the party. Q so this. Liberal staffer has a has their own iphone came with a couple stickers put it on their liberal party issued laptop and then when they when they went on to do their thing they just set that one up for trudeau. I think that's what happened. Yeah i mean so. Do i think it was just a total accident. I think it just happened to be around and somebody took it. I don't think anyone thought. Oh this is really funny. We're going to get away with looking like we've got mac book and it's not really. I guess the big question is does justin trudeau. Think he was on a mac. That is the first question that somebody's somebody's to do an accountability interview on that one. Let's move on to our final headline and we'll spend a bit of time on this. This one comes to us from. Cbc activist filmmaker abby. Louis louis to run for the federal end ep in southwest british columbia. Let's talk about this guy. Because i think there's some interesting implications for for lewis for the end ep. Here we know we've teased and ep related stories in the past. I still want to eventually are deep dive. Today will not be that episode but avid lewis. Stephen lewis has son The co author of the infamous leap manifesto Which was one could say instrumental in defeating. Tom mulcair at the leadership convention in two thousand sixteen in edmonton carter. Jimmy top line thoughts here the fact that he's running for the mvp. This is this good news for the. Mvp let's start here on. A binary is this. Is this good news. Bad news for the mvp that they've got. Abby lewis notable but also controversial seeking the nomination. I shouldn't say he's outright being the candidates seeking the nomination in southwest bc. I can almost wrap my head around this being good news for the because he is going to force the mvp into a different direction. He's gonna make it unique and he's going to shift the brand positions you didn't ask me specifically if there's good news or bad news for jagmeet singh. I'm getting but it is terrible. News for him because the leadership just started and avi lewis is making a play for the mvp to rebuild the party in in a different a different brand. And i'm not sure that's a bad thing. I think that you know we've talked before. About how the mvp has been pushed out by the liberal party that has taken so many of its policies and positions and the green party. That's taking a whole bunch of other ones So avi lewis and bringing his type of new democrat to the forefront be might be good for the party it also could be the death now so as someone who's not a democrat. I'm sure the looking forward to watching it. Because that's going to be entertaining. Let's start here good news for the party. And then let's add. Carter's question to jim meet sing or manageable news jug meeting possibly as the second part of that question. No i do not believe this is good news for the end ep. I think they're best case. Scenario is he loses the nomination. There's a couple of things that that immediately. Strike me about this okay. In general my first reaction was kind of thinking. This was funny because of all of the place and did you see the video and all of them. I actually have not know. Carter may have but he's hasn't seen anything or harm under rocco's jose serious debt to a oc and in general like the whole movement in the united states and really a written on a board behind. Anyways it's just it's really silly when you think of the writing like west vancouver sunshine coast sea to sky is is not. i mean. it's an interesting place. everybody know. Well everybody in this neck of the woods sort of knows that rural vibe right. It's kind kinda granola but there's also a kind of a gun toting part of it too and it's it's not it's not something that immediately lends itself to kind of urban new democrat. Nece is does that make sense salary. New democrats like any political party have different groups. Different quote unquote factions i. It's not. i'm not even talking about factionalism here. But i'm saying there are flavors of social democracy and the particular flavor. He has does not seem like a great fit for for this particular writing this writing. That's flipped back and forth between the conservatives and the liberals. Yeah no blair wilson You know the left. The liberals was an independent than a green. But that's as close as it's gotten to something else the mvp forth their last election. They ran just like a fraction of a point over fourth the election. Before i just. I have a really hard time believing that this is a particularly solid feet. It seems like it's a flight of madness flight of fancy. I do not understand why lewis would choose this particular riding but that might actually be something that end ep kind of will count as a blessing later because there are just the thing is like wh. How can i count the ways that i'm not enthused about this laid on generational politics the fact that it's like a sigh on. We all know how. Well i love that. You know whether we're talking about the the liberals conservatives or the new democrats unite the idea that he he has these ideals that are so deeply out of touch with middle canada as manifested in the league manifesto right just like none of this lands in a particularly good way and if i was the the party i would be. Just kind of gently encouraging. Maybe someone even test the waters against him. Let's put it that way. I wouldn't be actively campaigning. But i would just say like hey this is not a cakewalk. For the guy judith. Wilson ran there last time. I don't i don't know. I don't know but this is not great. And if somehow by some miracle he a1 and then he got into the house of commons. I think he would pull the mvp so far outside like he would. Just be part of this. This growing block of people that would sort of push the mvp too far off of economic interests right argues too far off. Are you saying like this is not necessarily just so far. Left is it. Is that what you're saying like i. It's so far out of touch the left or right thing. I think it's just you do not walk amongst the common people and talk uncommon language and you have uncommon concerns and if you become sort of a standard bearer for the new democratic party i mean it almost becomes a joke. It's like a parody of what a new democratic candidate would be right particularly and that corner of the country. I just think it's a. It's a head scratcher carter. Why do you think this writing. He doesn't live there. From as far as i know feels like he's from there. Do you feel like this is something to corey's point that the party might be counting their blessings but do you feel like the party may have forced him into this territory length. You want to do what you gotta do it here. You feel like that could be part of the mix. i'm speculating. I don't know this. But i'm kind of throwing it to you. Based on your party experience like why a person with regard of you know who out of touch or intouch certainly someone with brand reputation. Certainly someone with the name would choose to run in a place that has never gone for the mvp. It's not it's it's the furthest thing from a guaranteed seat. I'm just curious from your perspective. What you think may have happened here. I think that it very easily could just be wants to be giantkiller right. Like don't run into an easy place. An even if i can run and win and in west vancouver sunshine coast ski. Cd's sky then. The new democratic party is viable. Wherever if as me as the leader so go in takeover a tough to win riding. The guy has celebrity status. He's going to get media coverage whether he's earned that media coverage or not isn't for me to judge but he's going to be noticeable. And i don't know i don't know that he can win with maybe he thinks he can. This is not a guy that strikes me is lack of. you know not having a degree arrogance He has a fairly high opinion of himself and his ideas. And i think that he thinks that maybe if he runs You know this. Aoc style of campaign. That corey mentioned. Maybe he's got it and if he does win there and he's able to be a giant killer and if he doesn't win back back he goes through his activism and writing and doing the things that i don't know how he earns a living but you know maybe it doesn't need to corey. Let's assume that this theory is correct. Right like almost going into enemy territory if i can call it that you know showcasing a victory and saying we're more viable than not as a party using it as a proof point to to that good strategy in your mind we're adding strategy on speculation but why the fuck not like good strategy nearby if that's indeed the case it's a crazy one and the thing i do want to stress is that if you're looking at it and you say well and ep plus green vote equals well that's about thirty five and that's what the liberals one last time You might start to think. Hey maybe there's a real opportunity here. I suspect just jump. I'll jump back to your question in a minute here that if the liberal or conservative voters started thinking oh my god Like abbie lewis could win this. I think you'd see sort of a consolidation of the vote there. I suspect he'd be one of the one of the candidates available who might actually make liberal and conservative voters decide. It's better to kind of can congealed votes but not a bad strategy at all in the sense that you come in you show that you you walk in and your your elevator pitch to the party becomes. I got elected in a place that the mvp came in fourth with ideas. That i was told were too far outside of the mainstream. These ideas can win anywhere. We just need a bold presentation of this vision. I can provide that presentation. The proof point is my election. Let's go and that's gonna sound very appealing to some people. But i've got to tell you most writings in this country. Green plus and ep does not equal majority or plurality vote. And so it's it's a bit of mirage so this is why i say the best case scenario is he loses. He could win. And i think if he wins it will create this sense of like well. Look nick win. Here i can win there. We're going to go for it and a party. That'd be kinda cool. But marta me thinks that's a way to kind of electoral damnation and and that's That's just not that doesn't seem like a wise idea for the mvp. Have you actually created a case for saying this is something we can extrapolate or have you said that with someone with incredibly high profile and a legacy can create a beachhead in certain territories. Right like it's not clear if if the former or the latter you say this proof point let me say this. I actually do believe that. The end ep could move more to the left but we talk about this left right spectrum and kind of this lazy sense right. Yeah you know. There's economic laugh. There's environmental social life. There's there's kind of like a justice left whatever you want but my point would be. There's a lot of ground that i think is more popular than it is inhabited by political parties at the end. Ep could stakeout my concern. Lewis is i don't think he's looking for those signals. I think he's a true believer of certain thing and i don't know if he would so much. Be moving into this territory to to build out a new and ep at here. We are already talking as though he's leader of the party. Not right but i think it would be more. He would be moving blissfully unaware towards his philosophy. And i just. I just don't know that there's enough of a kind of i. Don't get the sense in this is largely based on the leap manifesto in a lot of the conversation around there that there's a really good understanding of how some of these things land with huge swaths of the population carter. I've got two final questions. Start with this first. One is any case to be made that someone like him could help establish a big tent and ep that this is actually good for the party in the sense that you know. It's nice to have diversity views. We can reconcile them. We actually have a broad spectrum of progressivism within the parties or any merit in that or is that just spin your mind. It's spin i mean. This is a guy who suffers from true believer ism right like he believes what he the things that he holds true. Are the general populations views. And i see no data that supports that it seems to be just kind of more You know more wishful thinking and a desire to take party in a direction that he wants not necessarily a part of the direction. The journal population wants its believe. It's true believers in not politics corey. If you're jagmeet singh right now are you processing this. How you thinking about this. How are you even trying to respond or strategize around this. What are some points that jagmeet singh should keep in mind or perhaps think about as he as he sees. What's happening with even conversation like this. And many people jumping out. There's the next the next leader their next leader chirping around anticipated federal action. Yeah listen. I don't i think that's that. Is we kind of indulge. Think going way too far later for a ton of reasons and even if you set aside the philosophical concerns and that true believers in that stephen was talking about and listen having belief is not a terrible reason to get into politics but if you want to be leader of a party having beliefs has to be married with a practical active imagination as to how you can make these things real right. Just how you wish them into existence. And if i'm saying a bit of box because the party is not exactly the party. There is a huge swath of the party. That really likes the leap manifesto. You can't disallows guy from running or anything like that. you just have to sort of. Let the chips fall where they may not look like you're sweating too much on it by all means run in west vancouver sunshine coast sita sky. Why not right but you may have a problem after the next election but don't borrow problems for the future in this case because in the scenario where he's one that means the mvp are probably picking up seats. Which will also help you. Carter advice for mac meeting at this moment in time make a donation to the west vancouver seat sky. Liberal party was throwing it out there. You think he should be worried. Genuinely you said that upfront you you you feel like this is like this is a shot. I think i think if if there's going to be a challenge to his leadership i think it's far more likely to come from the ideological left than it is from a you know a moderate centre. I think that so much of the moderate centers moved away. So i think that the ideological left very easily could make a play on. That's interesting we're going to follow this story. We may not. We'll see where exactly let's move onto our next segment the many ways to reopen guys. I wanna talk about reopening in two definitions. Of course we're going to compare the reopening plans for ontario and quebec and then we're going to jump into quebec about something else. They wanna reopen constitutionally. We wanna talk about some other language. Laws that they want to consider as part of bill ninety-six but let's i hit up a comparison on the reopened plans for on -tario and quebec and talk about the politics of them in ontario. They just announced today. I believe if. I'm not mistaken that there is three step plan to reopen the province with outdoor recreational amenities gradually opening as part of the restrictions. As a may twenty second i e this saturday outdoor recreational amenities golf courses. Tennis etcetera allowed to reopen outdoor gathering and organized. Public events will be expanded on saturday. Which allow these menace be used by up to five people and then we have two other stages based and tethered with vaccination rates in ontario Since this has been dropped this plan many of called it a very cautious approach for for ford. You know a a step based plan tethered to vaccination rates know many people within his own party. Even some commentators surprised by how slow. Perhaps i think cautious is the right word The the opening plan was carter. I'm going to start with you on this one. Would you agree that. It's in the cautious territory and mail very quickly introduced quebec here so we can have a competitor and do you feel like that's the right strategy for ford. Given some of the heat and political elle's he's had recently With perhaps reopening too early or having some restrictions fall flat on their face or be outright rejected by a broad base of the ontario population. So i wanna ask you both of those questions and let's introduce quebec quickly and we'll go to court. Do i think it's cautious absolutely against cautious. I think it had to be cautious though because on -tario alberta quebec british columbia. A bunch of reopening too early the lettuce to our third third wave If you look at the numbers he the spike didn't get down to the to the last summer lows right we. We went down a little bit and then we started reopened in the spring. And by the time we were getting into april we we were seeing significant spikes across the country so that that type of you know slow reopening is absolutely required when what bothers me about it is the right now. The the reopening isn't based on caseload is not based on the traditional measures of what we were thinking was important. It's it's instead relying only on the vaccination loads. That's so what i'm surprised. That four didn't dig more deeply and say we're going to balance off. We're gonna make sure that number one are icy user. Okay or hospitals are okay. The caseloads are down. And we're gonna make sure that there's vaccinations so that this doesn't happen again. It it feels to me that a proper reopening strategy would have the vaccination rates as well as hospitalizations rates and the rate of transmission as a big part of the reopening strategy before you even consider the vaccination rates and the two does vaccination rates so to me this belt rather one dimensional but at the same time cautious one dimension it also may be help him throw the throw the throw the blame to trudeau. We can't judo hasn't given us the doses to get to twenty five percent second doses just throwing some messaging atom. Yeah i'm sure he'd pick that up and run with it. I think it's been very much in line with their current messaging. Corey same questions for you. Carter says here. That's you know cautious needed to be cautious. But perhaps the wrong metrics being used in terms of what reopening looks like your take on on broad. Take on the government's reopening plan in ontario. So i hear stephen sane and i do think that from a pure public health point of view tying it to icu. Beds tying it to cases that makes sense. But i also believe you've always got the option as the government to say you know what cases they're out of hand. I see us out of hand. We're gonna shut this thing down or we're going to do a bit of a small circuit breaker. I think talented on one dimension to vaccine makes a ton of sense. And i don't believe it's about throwing the blame to trudeau. I think it's about incentivizing vaccination it's encouraging people who are on that next level out because we are now getting to the point in this country where we'll be talking about the vaccine hesitant awful lot more and yet we've been lucky so far. The number of people getting their getting. Their vaccinations has not been declining. Right at least not at any kind of measurable way at this point but that day will come and if you really want to get to seventy five twenty or seventy five twenty five or any of these metrics that have been laid out there by various authorities. You've got to start worrying about where your ceiling and if you're if you're ceiling if an extra five points out of your ceiling and get that much closer or perhaps tip over her immunity because you have said your life gets to go back to normal when you get vaccinated that makes an awful lot of sense to me and that's pretty clean. Communications and that communications would break if you said if you get vaccinated and x and y and z. Then we'll go back to normal then. What you're going to have is the vaccine has say. Oh fuck while. They're not gonna they're gonna do whatever they want. And yes they're gonna ask us. They're just gonna shut us down. If there's the icu. I'm not getting vaccinated. It has nothing to do with vaccines. So the clarity of this appeals to me and i do think that it is a potentially helpful at heading off a future problem a problem. We can all see coming. The united states is basically to cap out Many people on my were making a big deal. That candidate in the one dose or more category has now tied. The united states expected to pass the united states. That's fine but we are not so different nation. I'm i've got to be if i'm in public health. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about when our curve starts to bend down and people stop getting their their jobs. So i'm totally onboard with what doug ford's doing as long as behind the scenes. They're still kind of a a mental even if not communicated circuit breaker off but if she gets out of hand i'm gonna i'm gonna pull it down. Carter jump in and then we'll jump into quebec. i'll tell you something someone sitting here in alberta. I am very pleased to see the rules. I'm very pleased to see. This is what we're going to do. These are the dates we're looking at. This is the criteria that we're hoping to see. Because that clarity gives us the ability to start thinking about what reopening looks like. And i may have quibbles about whether or not he's in looking both factors But he's giving us a scorecard that enables us to know what the hell's going happen over the summer kenny's given us just simply words of Greatest summer ever may be the best summer ever may be a summer. League isn't really giving us anything to go on at all guys dramatic quebec because as of may thirty first. That province will start looking a bit more like normal. There have a stage plan as well that on the thirty first still have They'll be in what they call the orange zone. Restaurants gyms will open with some restrictions. High school students will be back to class two weeks later on the fourteenth province go into yellow zone team sports. We'll start people be able to visit other households again. Barzal open their doors and slightly ahead of that. Terraces will open and then by the end of june even more relaxed rules will come into play. Quebec moves into the green zone. Ten people get together indoors. Outdoor festivals will be allowed up to twenty five hundred people. This seems quite different. I don't know if it necessarily is going to be quite different in terms of how it shapes itself between the two provinces but carter any initial observations. Maybe i'll start with you in terms of how quebec is dealing with this on the communications side of it. And how they look at their reopening. The first thing that jumps out is that they've already said dates. There's no more requirements in order. What they're gonna hit their tethered anything. Yeah that's the fundamental difference. These dates are set in. You know i'm not gonna say their sentence stone because of course they can change But these dates are set and now we know the twentieth of may the eleventh of june the twenty fifth of june. You've got actual signposts. Were these things are going to start to change. And i think that that helps you know on the one hand. I think that doug ford's plan probably will result in in pushing some more people towards vaccinations. But i think that having again. The clarity of the quebec strategy makes me give me kind of confidence that they know what they're doing what they're doing what they need to achieve. I look at the numbers. And i think there's some questions for me like the twenty five hundred people In big auditoriums. What does that mean and how does that. How does that actually function like. There's not a they're trying to get back to doing festivals and events in a very minimal minimal level so that i think helps quite a bit and you know i do think that they should be more tied to actual measurable but i don't mind the actual dates because it does give a signposts to see where we'll be in the future course any thoughts from your perspective on the quebec plan. We've talked about the big feature here. Which is the the more time bound phase phases that are introduced anything else or even on that point. Did you want to jump in a bound triggered. All the provinces are reacting to the same fundamental fact. Which is we are all getting vaccinated. Train is on track and if people start declining first doses presumably. They become second doses. So we're still going to get further protections from here and what we need to be smart dumb as we move through into this next phase. I think people need to sort of begin to internalize the fact that in about a month a month we going to hit those targets of when we can start reopening these things and those targets that he had built. We're not really themselves more to what's going on. An icu is what's going on. These counts right and so we are going into a different paradigm here. And i think that many times in the past year and a half governments have acted too slowly and people have perhaps acted too slowly or mentally not gotten there fast enough and as a result we have acted too late. And perhaps that's a lesson we have now at this point over learned because now you know the people are almost feeling like everything needs to be perfectly resolved before we start moving forward out of this but there is a moment and i can't say with any certainty that we're at this moment that there is going to be a moment in this in this pandemic where it's going to be okay like we're out of the right and the public. Health officials seem to think that when we hit certain targets on vaccination were there so If you're quebec and you think totally confident you're going to get there. Why wouldn't you start planning to open up if you're on -tario and you're thinking pretty sure we're gonna get there. Maybe even told the confident. But you want to have that extra extra kind of security and you so you tie it. Explicitly the vaccination. Why not and it all it. All kind of makes sense and we can expect to start seeing decline in those trailing indicators of icu's deaths going forward as the third wave starts to look behind all of the provinces while except manitoba. Unfortunately there's terrible stories coming out of manitoba but you pray we don't get to a fourth and and that that this is. This is the moment because the science suggests it might be corey. I'm going to ask a question. That carter implicitly answered about giving final word on it before we jump into the next thing which is what advice would you give as they construct their plans. Communications advice to them as they construct their plans for reopening. What would some of the principles that you would want them to keep in mind. Carter's version of like deliverables around goals. These dates these targets. We know what we need. You get why. What are some of the principles that you would offer to premieres yet to roll out. What they're opening or reopening plans look like talking to premiers who have not done it. I would be looking at the premiere. That have i would say. How's it going in quebec. What was the reaction in quebec. Why was that reaction. Is that something. That's unique to the characteristics. The distinct society. That is quebec. That i suspect. We'll be talking about minute or what you can learn from and apply in my own province. Take by all means draft on the other provinces that have started to move these plants forward to that point. We heard that a lot of quebec's plan was based on a lot of saskatchewan approach right at least in philosophy in some ways you heard. Logos compliments scheduling. Carter finish us off on this any further advice you'd give to premieres. That haven't announced their reopening strategies plans communications our strategic that you'd want them to know clarity and hope this is where we're going to go these are you know. Wanna make sure the my signposts are clear. And then i also want to give people hope that they the normalcy is around the corner. One of the challenges with the quebec plan is it really takes quite a while to start to see anything vaguely resembling full normalcy. Like the end of august or later is when you really starting to see he'll normal reoccur and you think that that's probably right but making sure that you you you give us hope that there will be an end date to this because lord knows this has gone on Well i think frankly for as long as people were predicting but it is is really really tiring and having some hope at the end is our pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Let's stick with quebec. But let's change the definition to reopening. I wanna talk about the reopening of a something else. The constitution basically quebec wants to inserts. Now if you haven't heard this story to bullet points into the eighteen sixty seven constitution act one that says quote quebecers formation. And the other that says french. She'll be the only official language of quebec. It's also the common language of the quebec nation taken by themselves. These two things are not especially controversial. The house of commons back in the day. And twenty two thousand. I believe past emotion. Around recognizing quebecers forming a nation and the second point captures and easily verifiable fact about how the government operates and most people interact and quebec where things get messy is figuring how these two points get included into the constitution so while quebec can alter aspects of its own constitution any challenges that also all alter the cane constitutions to run into roadblocks i e. Canada is a nation of both french and english corey. You know a bit about this issue. I have my first question is how well did i summarize it as relates to quebec's bill ninety-six because there's such politics about it but as it relates to the facts of what quebec is trying to do. How how did i do. What else would you add. I guess is my the second part of the question to help. Listeners contextualized the true nature of this story. So i guess the thing that i want everybody to know right off the bat if not already aware. Is that different countries approach constitutional issues in different ways right. The united states has this document where they had a total break from the past even their own passed right where they had the articles of their their can. They had their own articles and replace them with this constitution in seventeen eighty seven and it's the constitution from that point forward. That was the rules under which they govern themselves. That is not what candidate. And that's not. What many nations do. But that is really not what candidate. We've got a weird mix of a written in an unwritten constitution and explicitly within our constitution. When we talk about the constitution people often talk about the constitution act. Eighteen sixty seven constitution act nineteen eighty-two but in reality the constitution is a lot of documents and not all of them are even acts of parliament there all sorts of various source items to give you a sense. Just i've got a quick list here for you. Constitution eight sixty seven manitoba act rupert's land in northwest territory order bc times of union constitution. Act again of eighteen. Seventy one prince. Edward island terms of union. You've got everything going on including the statute of westminster newfoundland act. You name it. There's a real grab bag of acts. That fall explicitly as the constitution of canada. And we have in the constitution act of nineteen eighty two. It says the constitution of canada includes this act the act in eighteen sixty seven and all of these other things. There's this big are in addition to that there's been all sorts of other documents dragged into it going way back to british times you've got the quebec act from the eighteenth century conceivably because we've got a mix of written and unwritten. This goes back to the magna carta. So this i want to stress. It's important. We're not talking about in the united states where you have like article. Two of the constitution says ex and quebec's trying to come in and change it per se right because that's not what our constitution is our constitutions a big mass of various different acts and our constitution. Also says there's various ways to amend the acts right there. Is this unanimity clause where you've got to get all of the provinces to agree muslim parliament. That's for big things like the queen or the senate and you name it. There's the general amending which is often called seven plus fifty where you've got two thirds of the provinces representing fifty percent of the population. That's where a lot of the constitutional conversations tend to float if you're not trying to abolish the monarchy but we could god. I would love that. Yeah sure why not. And then you've got a number of other amending formula. That i really based on like how can i put this just various fringe cases. I'll call it so we have a gen amendment that hey if this only affects a couple of provinces or one province that province plus parliament can vote on it. That's really what we've used in the past if it only affects the quote unquote constitutional documents. Because again it's a huge list documents right huge lists not all of which get beyond the statutory level right. Parliament can change things that are exclusively within parliament right. You don't even need to go. To the provinces to amend those parts of the constitution and then there is this clause that the province is can amend well really what it's meant for as they can amend their constitutions because of acts i listed like was the all burma act the newfoundland act the quebec act. Right i can make but they are allowed to quote exclusive may exclusively made laws amending the constitution of the province. So that is where we're at quebec is arguing that these two particular clauses. The idea that quebec is a nation. Plus the language of quebec is. French is just amend their constitution. Now that's a really interesting. Take because you're kind of trying to amend the body that we tend to think of at that higher level but again we have so many bloody documents that in mass make the constitution. My point is simply it's complicated and legal scholars have been arguing about it for a week. Now is this allowed. Is this not allowed. I would say not to kind of scoop myself here. If in two thousand one. We decided that changing the name of the province of newfoundland to the province of newfoundland and labrador and it did nothing. It did literally nothing besides change the name. We decided that needed parliament. plus newfoundland. how is it that quebec a nation and quebec's and the language of quebec. Being french exclusively. How does that not reach that bar that we have determined overtime. I appreciate the context. I appreciate the examples. I appreciate the history lesson. Korea is excellent and the fundamental question. Here is the simple one can province unilaterally change their constitutions. Stephen carter jump in here. That's where the politics comes in. I'm going to get into. I'm gonna tease for you. Guys a bit. I wanna talk to you guys about carter second. I'm just gonna give you a preview. Go ahead before you do. The answer to that question is yes. The question is is that what they're doing right right exactly and so the political question here really is about what ligo is doing when he's doing it cough cough election. What's the response of our political leaders on the federal stage. Looks like we're the landmines so to speak. Carter lie here politically but you wanted to jump in your pulling your non existent hair out. So let you. I'll let you. I'll let you go in. Is this constitutional is going to be. Is this going to occur with constitutional challenges. I don't know doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean corey's tell i feel like you're gonna lead to the politics very quickly. He's wonderful explanation. I don't disagree with a word of it. Corey's a smart young man he's he's an up and comer i tell you up and comer got but i think the political question for trudeau and the political question for o'toole is how do i not fuck myself because lugo is putting us in the position where we're going to pucker selves right. This is my first fundamental question. Is this a bear trap by lago. Yes it is absolutely is and that's why you see. Trudeau bringing out the internal analysis. That says how they can do this because they can do this. I mean everybody. External to the government of canada. Is it going. I don't think they can do this. Including our very own legal scholar. Corey hogan right. Who brings up a very good legal resident resident scholar of the threat. Because we don't have big high priced lawyers. We just have choreography but his. I like his analysis. I think he's right. I think that these broad very good case but the high price talent inside the government of canada has come up with something different because that's with the pro. Prime minister wants them to come up with because the prime minister does not want to be telling the people of quebec. Did they can't have this right that in some fashion. They are constrained by the rest of the population of canada. Because quebec doesn't like that and quebec may not vote for the liberals so as a result. Justin trudeau is turned. Probably some poor internal lawyer or team of lawyers into pretzels trying to come up with a piece of logic that allows him not to lose the next election and say what the good people of quebec want to hear. Goes doing this on purpose at this time. I because it's fun. I think he's having a great time. I think that he and his friends or having a drink in their sm- as allowed locations as given by their back back to normal guidelines. And they're just laughing because they're watching the liberals first of all turn themselves inside out and the conservatives try and figure out how they're going to do it because everybody wants those votes and ligo made it very difficult for them to get him seat rich quebec. This kind of feels like last time when he threw bill. Twenty-one into the whole fucking mix to with its it has a very different not entirely dissimilar flavor to two thousand nine hundred. Let me lay out on the table with each of our federal leaders have said right. So justin trudeau's general answer has been not not high price for it but yeah. Cuba could rewrite a section of canada's constitution number permission needed from the provinces or the federal government jagmeet. Singh says if quebec if quebec government wants to make modifications to the constitution to protect the french language and the culture of quebec. The federal government should work with the province to make it happen. O'toole says to l- oppressed that he believes is able to alter parts of the constitution by itself a little bit of that undone by michelle rebel garner in alberta who says that posted her reaction suggesting that trudeau was setting a very dangerous precedent. Signaling and posing example could british. Just do where the fuck it wants the based on this so that's kind of where the parties generally stand corey. Where i i'm gonna ask you the basic question bear trap by lago. And how should the leader stick about navigating this and i wanna start with trudeau at the top. So give me the the answer to the bear trap question which i suspect you're gonna say yes to and then let's talk about the trudeau strategy as we as we move through the other leaders might be a bear trap but it's not a bear trap the way i think many people are thinking of it look. It's actually very clever. It's a clever solution to a constitutional box. We've never been able to quote unquote get quebec to sign the constitution not necessary for it to have legal effect right but by you know if there's a positive here it's that quebec is essentially like by working within the constitutional framework even if that's correct and so. If quebec amends the constitution in a way are they not putting their kind of premature on the constitution. We're on board passed the thing right and so in that sense what hell not i mean. There's there's two pieces we talked about right. The nation piece which parliament is generally already voted on. This was something we did back twenty eleven. I think you were saying oh six. Oh my god what happens to the years and then and then there's the second part which is about the protection of the french language. That second part is almost certainly unconstitutional under the amending formula because it specifically calls out under the amending formula that requires parliament to get on board to that any amendment to any provision that relates to the use of english or french language within a province. So you would have to be essentially interpreted to mean nothing right. And so that seems unlikely. Let me take a step back here. It's clever courts tend to look pretty dimly on clever solutions to constitutional matters there's a doctrine called the doctrine of color ability. Which says you've got crayons in the box because you were prophets right. You're trying to color in a power you do not have with. The crayons do have right effectively. They are trying to do an android around the constitution by this thing that the constitution allows. That's actually there's a doctrine of color ability is a catch all around that to say like no. You can't actually do that. You've got to look at the pith and substance of what you're trying to do here and if you're trying to tell us that it matters what the nation is right like that you are. The quebec quebec is a nation. Like it either means nothing or it means something and if it means something if you're looking at the constitution as a whole and you say this means something well then all of the other provinces you probably have a say in this as well right and if it means nothing it's probably not a constitutional amendment. It's it's super fascinating. It's clever but i think the problem it sets up is not the immediate because all of the federal leaders are basically created i teen with themselves. You know the last one alive can deal with this right and really mouth because the problem is it will be challenged at some point it it could go down and then what and then. What can anybody in this fucking country more than two moves ahead at this point all of a sudden. The court of canada has rejected the amendments to the constitution. Quebec brought forward. And then we'll go say well. Well now guys right. He does this not just stoke the fires of separatism more because it just gets undone and now it looks like there's no way for quebec even to be a nation the idea that quebec's nation gets pulled out of the constitution at a later date. That's really scary. It's scary to think about the chain of events that that could trigger for our country here and so by kicking this can. I think we might be setting up the mother of all constitutional maelstroms down the road. Forget if alberta could put like we're a society based on sexual attraction to oil or anything like that. What does it mean if this fails the constitutional test two years from now and this thing that i just talked about. Hey all of a sudden quebec's on board gets pulled away taken away. What then but can they can. They take more strident position in you know after the election like if i'm the political strategist for the liberals and i'm like oh fuck i don't wanna deal with this. I don't want to deal with this at all. Just give this back to the governing party after the election. It's not. I don't i don't want to deal with this during the election. Do they have the capacity is to take out afterwards or is this something that absolutely must be dealt with now. The problem is that that point like a bills passed. its in theory protocol. Sushi gets challenged. You've you've got the problem of being pulled out like i think. Even at this moment at the problem is growing the the country. Frankly all of our federal leaders. I believe should've taken a bit of a stronger line and said well hold on a minute. Here i think a court reference would have been the appropriate approach to say. No this is. This isn't going to go any further without a court reference. Because it's too important because we don't want there to be amendments to the constitution letter in question that to me makes an awful lot of sense again we've done this for the senate and and other matters of this and the senate actually is also a perfect example of this color ability doctrine. Right the federal government gets to appoint senators but the court said. You're trying to be too cute by half. You were trying to circumvent that unanimous clause that says that. If you're going to change how the senate is elected you need all of you know you need the provinces on board by essentially just taking a power you do have the appointment power and reinterpreting it in a different way. Like you've gotta be really careful when you start dealing with constitutional matters and there's no shortage of armchair constitutional scholars and that have thought they've come up with clever solution for the first time only to find out that it's deeply unconstitutional. Because of hundreds of years of common law so corey in the segment was to scope out the land. So thank you for doing that. Not just the immediate ones but the ones down the road right as you have. i mean. there's an element here. Were gambling with the constitution. Were gambling with perhaps even minority rights and confederation overall. So i think. That's i'm glad you put that out on the table carter. I want to extend on your comments though. Let's talk about liberal strategists. Today based on white trudeau said is his general comment. Yeah i guess they can going to paraphrase the only slash best one that he has. No i think that you know is actually identified. A really good kick the can down the road referred to the courts and make sure that it doesn't come back hope that it doesn't come back until after your your election That's the simplest way of dealing with with it. Just oh we've always respected quebec's you know autonomy authority but we just have to ask the courts what they think which amendment formulas. We're happy to work with them. Regardless of what they see a little help our our legal team just wants to know exactly what it is that we're dealing with. Why why do you think. That wasn't the instinctive response. fear right. Fear aggressively tends to govern politics. They didn't go to rule. I had the time. But he's like he said the same thing. He believes that they have the opportunity. Are you surprised by his response. Almost almost the same one. I felt like this could be an opportunity for him. But once again fear of alienating the vote rich quebec province. Well for o'toole you've got to keep in mind that there's a big overlap between lago voters and o'toole voter at least theoretically like if you're gonna start building these things out and so he's got a complicated situation there as well but a in a sense carter's cars fear and simplicity is probably a good way to think about it. It's simple quebec has a quarter of the seats in parliament. Right you wanna be the fucking government. Maybe you don't wanna go to war with the province of quebec and lago knows this and this is why the timing of this is what it is both of your points this. This is a time tested tactic and on the fear side. Why everyone wants to avoid the fight. There are in total duck and cover mode here. But i really do think they're doing a disservice by allowing this thing to just coast over because they are potentially and i would say even likely setting up a bigger problem down the road that will have to be dealt with either by them or by the next government and that problem. You know these things. Today is the anniversary. It's may twentieth may twentieth. Nineteen eighty was the first quebec referendum. These things are slow burns. I guess is my point. And when you start thinking tactically on matters of the constitution. You're thinking tactically over years and they've got to be smarter than this carter be prescient for me. I know this is your strength on the show you. How does this play out. How does this play out right. We have an election that everyone in their dog. Speculating will now fall somewhere. In the in the will now fall in the fall of twenty one ballot-box issue regional ballot box issue does does does this. Is there something that one of the federal leader does to park it aside. What do you think Give me give me a sense of the beats on this between the summer and what it could mean for an anticipated fall twenty one election. I don't think this is a ballot box issue. I think it sets a tone issue and tone is as important as necessarily a ballot box or the four described that to me. What do you mean in quebec and alburto. So the me actually just use albert. As an example there are parts that are seen to before alberta and their parties or seemed to be against alberta and if this serves to help frame the conservatives against quebec or the liberals against quebec it could be an election issue. I don't think that people will go to the ballot box. Saying oh you know what i really wanted. Our ability to amend the constitution unilaterally using bill ninety six. I think that they go to the ballot box saying that conservatives and o'toole or against al against quebec or they go saying that trudeau and the liberals are against quebec. I think that that's the risk that the these two parties are trying to avoid. And that's why they're acting the way that they're acting so i don't think that this is a quote unquote box issue. I think that this is instead just a simple problem of trying. Not to get branded something. You don't wanna have sticking to you corey. I'm going to ask you the same question. What are the beats on this story. What do you think this leads to over the course of the coming months before an anticipated election this fall. Well it looks like all of the federal leaders are cowering from this one right now now. Trudeau did give himself this out of saying. This is the preliminary analysis by i think that the odds of him saying that was preliminary. And we've changed our minds. The odds of that went down the minute. Every other federal leader jumped on in some way shape or form yeah he was signaling signaling his intention of how we wanted to act giving himself enough of an open door to kind walk out of it if he he realized that he really stepped in it. Now that's not to say that there won't be beats on this. I do think this is one of those things that could rile up people in other parts of the country to whoa hold on like michelle. Rentals reaction is is not dissimilar from my own which is a weird space for me to be now. But but i think that there will be a cohort of people who say well hold on. This doesn't seem right. Like there's i will often come back to the reasonable person test when you explain this to a reasonable person. Quebec is unilaterally adding to the constitution that they're a nation. Can they do that. What that doesn't seem right. Remember meech lake. I remember charlottetown. right it. Just it feels off and so this does this feels to me like it could be one of those issues. I should say where there's a there's almost a like. I don't know if people care enough to be considered a groundswell. But i'll be. I'll be watching this. I think the next act is coming from outside of the house of commons. I guess that's the best way to put it. Explain that to me. What do you mean i mean. If there's going to be anger that forces people to change their mind. It's not going to be organized political anger because all of the parties have decided. They're fine with this. It will be their grass grassroots. It will be average canadian standing up writing letters. Maybe pressure even from an elite class of professors and legal scholars. Saying this is not. You can't do this. Carter jump on that point and then add additional unintended consequences of this story. Corey's listed a few around other provinces around grassroots mobilization so jumping on that and then if you've got any of your own around unintended consequences would like to hear a few years as well. Well i think there could be some really predictable. Consequences like michelle. Rebel garnered jumping up and down. And saying this isn't fair you fell. Did this imagine what would happen. I think that's predictable and given the state of politics in alberta. I don't think it has any impact at all on the on the federal election but if if newfoundland and new brunswick start jumping up and down that could have real implications for the liberals so you know if new brunswick newfoundland and british columbia start getting riled. That quebec has a special power that they don't have Than watch the liberals maybe have to shift back and and do something like a referral to the courts Like corey was saying the predictable. Outrage albert isn't going to force anybody to change their political position. Corey jump in. And i think i've got one more question that i want to start with you on as well so go ahead. Yeah i mean it's also possible when you look at it. The courts aren't going to act until there's actually something to react to but who has been probably the other provinces. I could see for example leading the legal case against it. God i could even see albert in different times but i think right now i mean i imagine part of part of the government of elbert right now is thinking. Why didn't we think of that. That sounds great. But yeah i mean i suspect that it will be a premier who says this isn't right and whose constituency thinks. This isn't right. looked sketch. Manitoba is too obvious. Captain candidates corey caps canada plural. Thank you fred. That question for you corey. I'll start with you on this song. I'll give chance to quarter you. Know you've talked about the Down the road consequences. And perhaps i should say down the road. You know crisis that could come from something. Like this is their political strategy fray federal leader that would not be rooted in fear. That would actually be around having your cake and eat it too. Not eliminating quebec voters not necessarily losing out on seat rich quebec while simultaneously being a strong and ardent defender of perhaps what happens down. The road is there. Is there a lane here. Is there a tight rope here that you could think of political leader. Maybe even agnostic of party because it seems like almost everyone's same fucking page on this issue. Federally that you could advise them and say you do. Consider this as a route of action. I wanna see if you kind of have any thoughts on that and youtube carter before we close this segment out. Well look i think that the solution of kicking it to a reference and saying we're on board but we want to make sure that it works and is not going to fall to a court challenge down. The road is would be my recommended course of action. Because here's the thing opposing the quebec's a nation that would be actually reversal for all of the federal. Party's right the idea of french language protections. I just don't believe that any of the parties are willing to willing to stand up and say you know what i'm going to fight this fight and we're not going any further on this. You can say what you will about. Quebec's language laws but at this point. They're so well entrenched and established. I think the suggestion that you're not on board with french being the only official language of quebec That'd be difficult. And by the way we didn't talk about that much but the constitution says that you know english and french can both be used in legal contexts. What does that mean again. Knowing that you can't amend that part of the constitution with the part. You're trying to trying to kind of call out at this moment. So i honestly i think you've just gotta say conceptually were there. We've got to get on board on process and you've gotta make your process argument about this is too important. We can't have this fall out later We were there with you. If the court say it requires parliament on board. We're happy to push this through parliament if the courts say you need. Seven plus fifty. We're happy to work with the other provinces to try to get this in and there will be risks there because people will say. Well this is quebec's should have the right to do. This is this is so important to the cultural and the identity of this province. You might be also kicking up. The you know the sovereigntists fires. But i guess my point is that could be a lot worse. If it falls out of the constitution a carter finish us off on this. The optimal response the tightrope walk is there. Is there something to add to that. Yeah i mean. I think that you just say this we agree. These are accepted things for quebec. We agree we're gonna make sure that we get it all done so you can just simply take away the fight by thing we agree. I'm not sure that unilateral approval is the way to go so instead. What we're going to do is we're going to you want to reopen. The constitution will reopen the constitution for you. Let's see if it works. Let's leave that segment. They're moving on to. Our final segment are over under in our lightning round. Stephen carter is all for you. This whole show is for you. Everything is for you. Overrated underrated the bill. Ninety six spare trap by premier league. Oh i think it's probably overrated and it's going to be lost. On the average. The average canadian overrated overrated underrated. What we're talking about the bill ninety six quote unquote bear trap by ago. It's underrated i just. I think carter is not appreciating how. How contentious language issues always are in quebec corey today. Are you buying a stock. Are you selling stock if you how to hold it for at least i'm going to give you the timeline a month. You had to hold it for a month. You're buying or selling stock atlas boy. I think i'm selling your sound. Tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because i just don't know that to the average person in the writing. He's a big enough deal interesting. Carter i can let you hold for seven days. It has to be a month. Are you buying or selling stock on abby loose. I'm buying them selling it in thirty two days. I think that he's gonna go. That's gonna fall lega stone okay. So the bitcoin trajectory see this week. I learned a lot of dupage. Dodge to do. Coach does look going. Learn how to just think how good that would have been. If sticking with carter sticking with you yes or no are we gonna see steve allen report in the year. Twenty twenty one. No corey i. We're getting the year twenty twenty one. Yes we will see it and it's going to be dumb so as soon as they get this report. They've got three months they can hold onto it before they release it. So you mentioned this earlier on the podcast but by this time tomorrow. Canada might be leading the united states on first dose. Vaccination percentages as tethered to our override overall population as percentage is that overrated underrated. In your mind overrated. We're still quite a bit back in in second doses. now listen on doses per one hundred. We're doing really well and if you're gonna sit there and say look at all of these quote unquote nations ahead of us like gibraltar. You're barking up the wrong tree when you look at comparable nations. We're doing fine. We're doing quite well but let's not pat ourselves too hard on the back. Let's not dislocate our shoulder in the process. We got a bit of a ways to go here and we've got a long ways to go on second doses garner. We're going to surpass the united states more than likely by tomorrow. Our second doses. Two coreys planet thinks still. Sing a sit in the single digit percentages. I think five or six something like that as opposed to the. Us's thirtyish forty ish born may wanna look into that but regardless carter us overtaking the states by percentage on first dose overrated underrated. In your mind. I think it's ready to bolt right. I mean you. You're you've got people vaccine hesitancy at this point and how high we can get it So catching up and seeing that trajectory the the curve pointing upwards as it is. That's really good news. I think that the next few weeks canadians have booked hundreds of thousands of vaccinations. And that's nothing but good carter last question here. I'm going to stick with you on it. premier kenny here in alberta saying that paid sick leave could be a job killer the politics of it on a scale of one to ten one being horrible ten being excellent amazing politics. What would you give jason kenney on the politics question of his statement that paid sick leave could be a job killer literally. Virtually every canadian has had to take some sort of sick leave over the last year and a half and it's a job killer. Go fuck yourself premier like this is a bad statement that he got away with because people aren't paying attention right now. I think that it is a terrible statement by someone who frankly wants to get some street cred back and he didn't. He's an idiot gory. The politics on at one to ten for jason kenney on paid sick leave. well. I think to carter's point. He was probably talking to a different group than the middle alberta. He was talking to this base. Who is a little bit shakey with. So i'm going to give it a five because as much as i think it was absolutely tone-deaf with most albertans countervailing points one is that So many of us have paid sick. Leave already because of our employment contracts right and And so you're not gonna immediately feel that rage you know there's the selfish route of you not feeling that range but that's a reality and then the other is that there is a group that he is trying to talk to and keep on side at this moment so i don't think that he was keen to a very sensible program that would pay people to stay home if their sick But you know. I mean the internet is just full of snark over this particular matter. You know it's why. Have a job killer when you can have people killer being the most common kind of rejoinder here. So we're going to leave it there that say on episode nine thirty five of the strategist. My name is zane. Veltri with me as always corey hogan stephen carter and we'll see next time. Free fries vaccine on vaccinate. You're saying i could get this delicious but there's also a burger element to this. Let me check need heart. Is it too early today. Not this could be breakfast in kind. I want you to look at this and think about again. Some people love hamburger. Some don't really want to respect all ways of life but if this is appealing to you just think of this when you think of vaccination from I'm getting a very good feeling about vaccination rate this moment.

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The Economy, Stimulus and Congress

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24:54 min | 1 year ago

The Economy, Stimulus and Congress

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Okay, I wanNA talk to you about Something that's been very disturbing to me. probably disturbing to a lot of you folks out there listening to this podcast. and that is. The inability of the government the House and Senate. To pass. A stimulus bill, another words Nancy Pelosi Chuck, Schumer, and company on the House and of course, Mitch McConnell the majority leader in the Senate in order to come to some type of terms along with the White, house Steve Mnuchin and Everybody. To just sit down and to come together. I think this ought to tell you folks that it president trump He has created an executive order. We'll have to see how that's going to shake out We'll just have to see I'm very, very skeptical. I want to know like most you want to know out there. When are we going to get any type of stimulus relief from the? Corona, virus. Most of you folks. Believe and I know you believe and I know a lot of your hurting I'm hurting as well. Lot of people here in Florida hurt and lot of businesses are gone. They're not coming back. In I guess, what bothers me the most is how out of touch these bastards are. Up There on Capitol Hill House and the Senate even even the president's financial team, they're the treasury team. And it's just is Steve Mnuchin I mean it's just it. It's crazy. They don't have a fucking clue of what's going on folks and that really bothers me it bothers me how out of touch they are at bothers me the common ordinary everyday person You might have been in construction. You might have been a waitress or a waiter in a restaurant maybe a cook you might have been had an office job and work and maybe in a law office or just Maybe, a high rise building but you're working in an office environment just anybody just the person that runs the parking garage just the person that delivers your packages may be Fedex or ups or whatever. It's it's. It's just it's just absolutely positively incredible. How would a touch? These bastards are up there on Capitol Hill And I, guess. My frustration is they act like. I just want to point out something here for you folks they act like. That that is their money and they're controlling the purse which in essence in a way they are. However it's let let me point out just a couple of things. It's not their money who we as, united. States. Citizens Pay Tax through the IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, and of course, that's a scam. Don't get me going on that. We'll go into that and another podcast on time but that's that's How we pay taxes in this country are we supposed to pay taxes a majority of us do okay that money that they collect they never once told us where all of that damn money money's going. Well, guess what they take that millions of millions of hundreds of millions of millions of dollars, and they'll say, well, we put it towards the national debt. Well, let's just do this who who the fucks running up the national debt. As it me no. Is that the ordinary person out there listening No I don't think. So who is running up the national debt? It is the bureaucrats, the politicians in Washington cutting deals with lobbyists. And GimMe GimMe Gimme, Gimme, Gimme. That's all the lobbyists want and they go back to these politicians and I don't care if you're left or right. I don't care if this offends you're not. This is just the bottom line. This is just the truth of what's going on and with that said, they go back and they bribe these politicians and why they bribed these politicians, these politicians, the bills will start in the house they'll go through a committee or to there, and then they bring it to. The floor for a vote and because the House of Representatives here in the United States is controlled obviously by Nancy Pelosi in the Democratic Party they'll push through a bill ninety, nine percent of the time. Then it goes to the Republicans AH goes to the Senate. Will the sun is still controlled by a majority of Republicans not very many I think it's four or five or six now, and they have the ability Mitch McConnell to stop the bill to just absolutely stop it. Well what happens is the Democrats will bring a bill and they'll push bill through. They'll go to the Republicans than these lobbyists will get conservative lobbyist and stuff we'll get on Mitch McConnell and those start bribing him the bring bill to the floor than the one hundred senators there though vote on it, and so that's what happens the lobbyists get to everybody on both sides of the aisle. The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats there is no good party here. If you folks out there listening to this, think that you have the winning party that that there is this person or that person. That's going to save you. Let me tell you right now that's not going to happen your full of Shit. I'm just GONNA. Say that excuse my language, but you're foolish shut that's not going to happen. Nobody is going to save you know one man is going to save you president trump is not going to save you. He has limited. Let me put that again limited power, and if the Republicans don't take back the majority in a hold the Senate, but take back the majority in the House of Representatives Shit is going to get done in November if he wins which it looks like he probably will. Should is going to get done. Okay. You folks have to understand how politics work. If you have a majority than you control if you don't have the majority and in this case, it has to be a wide majority at least in the house then it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. So. The Democrats have a huge majority in the house they can push it through but Mitch McConnell on the gop the Republican controlled Senate says no nothing gets done. So that brings me back to my point. Right here and right now. When the hell are we going to get our stimulus and the answer is nobody seems fucking no nobody seems to fuck. No, and there's this rhetoric from Washington and trump on on their or I'm gonNA sign executive order. Well, let me just tell you something folks i WanNa just i. i WanNa just explain something because it's it's it really just starts to Piss me off after a while that we have to go through this nonsensical bullshit all the time Like anything in anybody else. You have. A president that has to Have the authority to go ahead and pass stuff pass bills through executive order which he does. But again, passing a payroll tax cut. I'm just going to be honest. I, don't give a fuck and the beyond the majority of people out there that are unemployed to. We don't give a fuck. They probably don't give a fuck. They just need a little bit of help. They don't need handouts for the rest of their life. They just need a little bit of help because I'm GonNa, tell you this this this this gates Fao Chee, Deborah burks Chinese Wuhan virus that was set in was spread all over the world fucking crashed the economy and like I said before there's a lot of businesses that will never ever ever return from that. Their mom and pop businesses folks that they're just not coming back at least down here in central. Florida. Okay. That's the bottom line and so because of that the economy crashed, you know like anything else these these bastards up here and I do mean bastards with a capital be. They want to Dole out twelve hundred dollars like we're jumping up and down and we're thankful we got our little tiny teeny tiny twelve hundred dollars if you stretch that out what was that back back in March or April or whatever Excuse me that that that they sent this money do you really you really that fucking crazy and that party you're attached to a quote unquote single-party and parentheses on the left or the right that you can't see through the bullshit this from both sides, these people play like a bunch of spoiled little fucking brats ask how much these senators like Oh Cossio Cortez and and Mitch McConnell on the right Cossio Cortez on the left they go to committee and they get hundreds of thousands of dollars while the poor folks out here that are unemployed still trying to do desperately. Just hope and pray that they can get unemployment just don't even know how they're going to pay their electric bill. Don't even know if their cars going to be repossessed was the fuck are you going to tell the is employees and the answer is they don't give a fuck they just think okay you guys are the poor measly. You guys are the poor pathetic little little surfs and you guys are the little servants and you guys had a little You guys are the help will throw you some bread crumbs and we'll throw you twelve hundred dollars and call it a day. Well let me tell you folks that money that they think they're going to throw us. That's our money to begin with. That's known as tax money of that. Okay. It's how they spend our tax money. They don't want to ever ever ever do like. Dr Ron Paul wanted to do when he was in office Go ahead an audit the Fed they don't want to do that the Federal Reserve they don't want to do that. to Go ahead and audit the Treasury or audit the Fed because the US The average person here in the US would go crazy I mean absolutely fucking ballistic if they knew, and let's say they're paying, you know anywhere from five thousand dollars a very, very poor to maybe twenty, five, thousand or fifty thousand dollars more a year in taxes they would shift fucking pants. And anywhere in between if they knew their hard earned very hard earned money on the average, maybe ten or eleven or twelve, thousand dollars a year go into the government they would shit their pants if they knew where the spending was actually going in the waste was actually going up there on Capitol Hill these the the these demons in these speakers of both parties. Okay. I'm I'm just sick of it and I'm over at a again my my my part party loyalty is down the fucking Shitter I. don't care I vote for the individual. I am an independent I vote for the individual, not the party. That's been. That's been mistakes of the past. It's been some mistakes in the past you get caught up on an excuse me on an individual with all the fancy words and this and that this and that you know the be honest is Joe Biden qualified well, fuck no anybody can seize got dementia is trump gonNA kill them in November well, of course, but they've already said they're going to try to take president trump out. So you know at the Democratic Party wants something they go to George Soros and his fucking overpaid goons and wants to go to George Soros Clinton Charleston and and Clinton please take out trump and so Soros will range and Pay. Somebody. You know millions of hundreds of millions of dollars to take out trump and they'll try to do that. You know that's why trump said in the last speech he gave that you might not see them for a long long time because he's had death threats against him. A lot of people don't know that you know in in like I said, both parties are guilty both parties are not worth a fucking shit. Both parties need to be completely scrap. The system needs to be scrapped and I'm not talking about these stupid and start all over again not excuse me not talking about the stupid progressive either because the progressives are just fucking loony bins. He wanted to green new deals and they want to do this crazy fucking shit. How the fuck you're going to do a create green new deal and you got you got thirty to fifty million people unemployed jackass how the fuck you GonNa do they're all? We're just going to create more government money and we're gonNA wear the fucking. You're going to get the government money where does that come from Jackass? You know where that comes from you know It's idiot people out here that that don't understand the government money comes from me and it comes from you and when these jackasses and idiots want the green new deal or they want this or they want that and everything else guess what? It comes from us. And we have to pay for it. So so so let's get straight little critical thinking here. I noticed. No fucking people on the Internet. Have that anymore is idiots as they are they're just they just talk and talk and talk and they can't think critically and that's very very very sad that they can't think critically there is none of that anymore. So I'm becoming a dinosaur on the Internet I guess is what I am. You know this and my other podcast it's just it's very very, very sad nobody can critically think. But. If you want to create the green new deal, for example. Where's the money coming from? It's coming from me and you so okay, let's get this straight. You have anywhere from twenty five to maybe thirty five. And soon, they predict by October or November just before the election up to fifty. million. People. Unemployed. Throughout all the United States. You're going to tax the living shit out of people for a green new fucking deal. And still let everybody be unemployed and you're. GonNa. Say. Green new deal. It's all about the money and there again, just like Oh. Casio. Cortez, you know she might have had good intentions going in but. She's now pushing the green new deal in has been for a long time, and then she's kind of backed off a little bit. She realizes and it's like you have to be a crook and that's what people are. They don't care really about the poor they don't care about the unemployed. They just care about their pocketbook and how much power they can achieve folks. That's what this is always about how much power you can achieve. They don't care about God they don't care about taking care of the poor. They don't care about taking care of the homeless and drug addicted people all or the veterans either one they don't care about any of that shit. They just care about themselves and how they can prophet themselves and their pocketbook that's IT and most people won't say there and it's the same thing on the right. You fucking have the turtle there in in in the Senate. The Turtle. You can obviously tell I don't care for Mitch. McConnell don't don't. He's a master manipulator in his bed in the Senate for years and years way too long what thirty years or so he's been there way too fucking long twenty to thirty years. He keeps getting elected because he's in the pocket of the fucking people and lobbyists in the state of Kentucky he needs to. have another maybe conservative or independent or somebody come in and knock his ass out of the fucking Senate and then somebody would say, Oh, my God shockwave you're crazy. Why do you say that then the Republicans lose control I didn't say that have another conservative with conservative principles that isn't bought and sold by the Kentucky lobbyists and miners associations and everything that they have there in Kentucky. Mitch McConnell's in their pocket. The turtle doesn't do anything. The turtle holds up fucking bill spokes in Congress and he holds them up for weeks and months at a time. Even he has bills as too late last year he still has on his desk and he refuses even look at him. He refuses to even bring it to the Senate floor you know worthless piece pieces Shit do your fucking job Mitch McConnell the turtle won't the turtle don't give a fuck just like Nancy Pelosi she don't give. A fuck. She has to cater to her jobs maybe a little more difficult where Mitch McConnell can just sit down and fuck it. He controls the Senate there since he's the majority leader, he controls the Senate he can kind of do what he wants. He's got a job for six years and his term comes up every six years where the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi it's every two years every two years they have a turnover there. So New People coming in sometimes the old go and out. You know her jobs a little more difficult. You have to deal with the Cook, Whackos Ocasio, Cortes Squad and company, and the fucking nutcases on that side pushing this Oh fifty million people unemployed. Let's push the green new deal with taxed everybody. So we could smile and save the air That's the biggest fuck and fraud I've ever seen in my life folks. It's just an absolute fraud and you're absolutely stupid. If you don't do your homework, you're absolutely retarded if you don't do something and just. Do, some basic research and I don't mean Google research go on duck duck go go on Quant Q. U. A. N. T. another good search engine quant dot com duck duck go dot com and go look up some real fucking search results other than what Google toes you to. Thank all the time don't be so fucking stupid and dumb do your homework folks just pleased do your homework. You know we have to open our eyes in this pandemic people were hurt and this this and then president trump. Runs and jumps around or I got one point two million jobs. Yeah. But you have what? Twenty million people thirty million people out of work who gives a fuck about one point two, million jobs created if you have thirty million people out of work. So even if you have one million jobs, you're still in the whole twenty, nine mil what the fuck can't people do math up there Steve mnuchin whatever the fuck the Treasury guy's name is I mean it's just it's incredible that the the people on Capitol Hill tree us like a bunch of fucking animals. That we can't. Understand anything we're just a bad the sheep. Oh I. Just I don't believe it. Sometimes, I just I my my eyes roll where the fuck is the cricket. The critical thinking folks I just I don't even know what to say. I don't even know what to say I just pray God has mercy on all of us and we can really get through this corona this fake plan debt corona virus I've been telling everybody that I see here in central Florida. This is this is some people again in here's my caveat because I'm going to get people as I always do on Youtube on my Youtube Channel what are you talking shockwave news your full of Shit, and there's people dying left and right? No the numbers are created and they're made up this is how it is i. just I just seen something in heard something from medical professionals. Okay. Some of the some of the. Hospitals around here in central. Florida are crowded but a lot of the clinics in almost ninety to one hundred percent every buddy that walked in corona virus testing cove. Nineteen folks came back positive. So of course, the numbers were going to lead the entire United States and and spreading an infection they're faking the fucking number. Why are they faking the numbers though lie? They're faking the numbers? It's because they hate president trump. Okay. I don't agree with President trump with the bullshit I. don't agree with this bullshit with the stimulus and needs to be twice twelve hundred dollars is a lot of things. The president trump don't agree. But what I do agree with President trump is that this is a bunch of bullshit. This is a setup. Watt one of the plots, one of the many many many things they have going right now get the fuck outta office is one of the plots that they have to try to get rid of president trump one of his allies, the governor of the Great State of Florida here governor. RAIMONDO scientists. Okay. They want to get rid of these guys. They want to get rid of the people that voted for trump. They cannot stand the people that voted for trump they wanna do do him away they WanNa get rid of them folks any way possible and that means of course anyway. Possible. Including taking president trump out they want to do that Nancy Pelosi's got up. You can. You can find Youtube there's tons of times at least a couple dozen times there. She's got up and said, president, trump and I quote will be gone either just before or just after the election but one way or another president trump's going to be gone quote unquote that's what Nancy Pelosi has said. So they'll take president trump out regardless they're going to try to so those people regardless of your party affiliation Okay again whether you're left or right or in the centre or independent like myself, for Libertarian. What have you if you believe in liberty if you believe in the good people here in the United States if you believe in justice freedom for all. And you believe in God most importantly. Okay. You'll vote your conscience votes, your heart, and your vote. For. President trump that's all I got to say. Okay this is shockwave news. You can find me online at Shockwave News Dot net. By me online also spreaker dot com Ford. Slash shockwave news anchor anchor. Dot FM. 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Indigenous child welfare

This is Why

19:12 min | Last month

Indigenous child welfare

"Bring our children home. That's long been the call from indigenous communities about child and family services across the country. Put the laws in place have been a reason for governments to delay allowing first nations from addressing the welfare of their children and with new laws in place those communities can now begin using their laws and ways to care for kids in the system. I'm adam toy. And i'm dave mcivor and this is why we give birth to a new horizon cheap red bear children's law historical day because we never give up our sovereignty to our children and today the prime minister of canada and the premium scotch when we're going to sign a coordination agreement and what that means is prime minister trudeau and beside calluses and in essence as we heal at our pace. Free mir mall stands beside houses first nation and invests and our pace as we are and the end all is one day. There won't be no children in thirty nine years old. I hope that happens in my lifetime. Collinses we've a lot of work to and every day we won't roll up our sleeves to make sure that every child when we call them home they know where home is and that is houses first nation and that they will that's they will get their education and the will walk with their chin up and be a proud causses citizen and ask them and thank you very much. That's calluses first. Nation chief cadmus delorme in early july. When prime minister justin trudeau visited the first nation. East of regina saskatchewan signing supports for among other things having calluses takeover child welfare services for its own children. The band office previously verified one hundred and sixty five cow. Kids were currently in government. Care spread out between manitoba and british columbia but now care for those children will fall under that first. Nations jurisdiction is all part of bill. C ninety two also known as the act respecting first nations into it and may teach children youth and families. That act was passed in june twenty nineteen and came into effect on the first day of twenty twenty reversing a nineteen fifty one decision. Now critics of the federal system said it didn't address the overrepresentation of indigenous children. According to two thousand sixteen numbers more than fifty two percent of children in care were indigenous despite accounting for less than eight percent of all canadian children so was the announcement at calabasas a historic one and it was a great thing for the community has so many like we are indigenous communities when it comes to child welfare working. They're confined by the provincial regulations at the end of the day. It's not the community. That has the final say if the provincial director. That's coren lightning earl lawyer with colin lawn governance lunch at interest vilbert. We're lawn research unit based out of the faculty of law and backley of native studies at the universal berta and so we believe in providing accessible resources to indigenous communities online governance And so and we work with communities on revitalizing indigenous laws. Undersea ninety two first nations can exercise its jurisdiction over child and family services based on their indigenous laws and they can choose whether or not that takes precedent over federal provincial or territorial laws so about that provincial director the richard director may never been set foot in these communities. He doesn't know the kids who doesn't know the communities as another families but yet the directors determined to be the person to have the best interests of this child. I don't know but if you've never met me how do you know anything about him. So and so. The indigenous communities who now can can take that control and they can decide on their own terms with their own knowledge about. What's in the best interest. So they can do things their way because obviously again you're confined by somebody else's walks and you have to move and grow inside that box but if that box only allows you to do so many things than it does limit your ability and so this is a way for indigenous communities to take that back and revitalize their because they do have ways of knowing ways of being in terms of how they take care how they define. What's in the best interest. How they define kinship kinship for me is It's more than just a nuclear family. And we see that building was expanded dead yet can ship to be more than just a moment. Add it involves the grandparents. It involves and snuggles it acknowledges that caregivers can be something other than mom or dad or it can be a family friend and so just even bringing those ideas of kinship poli expands the opportunities that you have to take care of these children and so it kind of take kind of gets rid of that box and starts to create something that looks like the communities that reflects them people can see themselves in these processes and see their traditions and values. I think it's the most important to sue. Ninety two came into effect in january. I in twenty twenty and it took a year and a half for first nation actually enacted have there been. Are you aware that or is it too much of a stretch to say that there have been conversations since ninety two enacted or or do you think that with causses Actually moving on this. I if that's you know if more first nations more indigenous communities across the country are having more active communications of following those steps. Oh i there is lots of has been communities on negociants as soon as we heard bill. Ninety two is coming into effect me by people were having conversations. Before and now under legislation some people are taking that journey to go towards revived establishing their own legal systems around this and then there but there is a lot of communities ready unfortunately we had a pandemic so trying to develop law and have community conversation and engagement during a pandemic is difficult is again not everybody has access to zoom I was talking with people before the pandemic in northern saskatchewan about Just some ideas around building into but then dynamic it. They don't have good access to internet in there. In corinth like they were in lockdown and so indigenous communities it was just a little. It's they were hit very hard by covert and so and because we don't have all the same access to resources did limit those things and so even though now we're in alberta it's opened apparently Indigenous communities are not open and so They are taking Efforts to ensure the safety of the community so it has taken some time but again now that things are moving forward that i think there's going to be a lot more communities if you look on indigenous services website there are lot that have given notice to enter agreements. There are a lot that have given notice to start their own legislation So yeah there is. There is people on the move in. It's i've already had three conversations this morning about doing some workshops with community just to help them understand bill c manatee in their options so coren in those conversations you've had what do indigenous communities hope to achieve under see ninety two. The hope is to bring children home or provide them with services in a way that is meaningful to them. We shouldn't have children in. yes there are we. There is cases where children are going to have to be in care. But how can you provide services differently. like ken. We provide wrapper on services. And that's unheard of from province. What take care of the whole home lake provide home services in the whole thing and yeah you can't do that. You can think holistically and think community rather than just exacting like really looking at what supports can be provided in so really being provided in a way that helps people that speaks to who they are and where they're at and being provide those cultural supports is something that is very meaningful to communities but also the communities being the decision makers the communities deciding who their family is. The community is the one at the end of the day. That's take is doing all the work and so being able to support them and really empower them to do that and hopefully that will. We won't have children. That are in cared. That don't know who they are. I've frequently met with teams that have aged out and they have no idea where they were there from. And that's that's hurtful and that is it's shameful because why didn't you worker ever find it where you're from or connect you with your community and so is just about doing that extra work and communities are. They're the experts of their children. They're the experts of their knowledge. Inner traditions so let's let the let's let them let them do the work and take the leap sakorn. What did the child welfare system for. Indigenous children looked like before. C ninety two came into effect. I can focus on alberta because it's different with each province child welfare's provincially delegated program so each province is different than how they handle child welfare and so in alberta we have the minister ministry of child services or i can they always change their name every time a new government comes in and so they're in they are there for the insure the the guardian of the children and so what they currently do is some first nations. Do handle their own child welfare so they have designated first nations agency that do care of the children and care and they are delegated authority to do so under alberto legislation through the provincial director. So he delegates his authority to Those indigenous communities so to a director of themselves and then they case manage And take care of the children under provincial regulation. So they still have to follow the province and in some communities do not have the if anees so their children are taken care of by Whichever region is near them so like for example stony plain or red deer or any of those other agencies they would take case manager to take care of the children care from those communities for those canadians. Who maybe haven't had a direct interaction with child and family services. At what point would they would. That would that Arm need to step in and address. The situation that a child is in what would what were some. What are some common scenarios. Normally a commentary is finding. The family is finding families and connections for communities So if a child is apprehended saying edmonton that agency would and this is a hopefully because again it's all to the discretion of the director of the hopefully would contact that child's band designate or that ban and hopefully go into some working together to create. What's in the best interest of the child But sometimes it's not necessarily happens all of the time but yes. There is the opportunity to ban designate There is india Acted this talk about first nations in their right to consent for when it comes to children being adopted private guardianship But really it does. There is some in parts boat cultural and so in alberta they have cultural connections plans in. So what an agency would do is hopefully contact those indigenous communities to get some sort of relevant cultural connections plan But that can look like a lot of different things and it doesn't necessarily look as wholesomeness. Sometimes we would like it to look. Tell us more about it. Not looking as wholesome as ideal. Well if you look at it. So under building andy to they've come up with these national standards now and so that is having a connection to your land to your language to your community and so now children can have a connection to the land into their language unfortunately a lot of children in care sometimes. Don't even know where they're from the they don't know where the community some they have. No connection and now we're seeing this connection to land well in order to have the connection to lend you have to physically go to that land and so this kind of pushes social workers to have to work with indigenous communities to ensure that those connections are provided. because before. we're just about a cultural connection now. It's gone very specific with these national standards to say look. It's not just about going to a power or going to around nance now it's about having that connection to the land language and continual connections of their families so the national standards kind of broad in this new baseline Which i think some people have been at but now it does give some itemize points on what needs what that connection means. And what's the best interest of an indigenous child acknowledging that the best interests of indigenous child is different than the best interest of a child and acknowledged that they have special rights that need to be taken into consideration because they aren't richness and really trying to do things differently because obviously the current system is not working. I imagine that might present additional challenges to workers. Does this necessitate building out. Additional supports to make sure these national standards get. Let's be about relationships. because how are non-indigenous. Social workers going to know about the in this child's land their language their family connections without actually go building relationship with the community that child's from so they're going to have to build relationships and figuring out what's in the best because the other thing that came into effect is this placement stat displacement priority if children are apprehended. they can't just go from home. To foster situation are home to group them they have to go from. The parents can take care of them then. Went vote grandparents. What about other kinship. What about other indigenous family members. What about other people in their community so it goes through the series of placements and then at the end is a non-indigenous placement but they're four or five other placements that have to be met or at least assess before they get to that in so in order to do those types of assessments. How are the the the have to build relationships to community work with the community of insurance to find those placements rather than just saying kay we take this child in her putting him in group home meet their needs to be those steps taken and it's actually it says must be the words must use is must disease in the legislation so it's requirement and must. They must take efforts to do that. Can you think of examples of how how how this is going to be changing alberta or even other provinces in how they handle indigenous children in care while the national standards really creates that floor for children and care in some provinces okay. all provinces need to assess where they're at in delivering just national standards. This isn't even getting to the legislation of communities. It's like this. National standards are in full effect. Full rights they're being in courts and so provinces need to assess. Are they meeting all those national standards and some provinces said no. We're meeting them. We don't have no work to do. And then some provinces had no. We're going to overhaul our legislation and we're gonna move forward to make sure we meet these standards and work with indigenous communities. And so that i think is that's a good thing Because these are legislated requirements that and rights at these children have in some provinces said no we. We've be meet these standards. Which i don't know necessarily true but at least it gives that floor so that children all across canada. Have these have some form of equity in they have at least they have the space to move move from and so for some provinces. It's about thinking outside the box. How are they gonna meet these. And then for some provinces. I think they're already well underway to having those conversations in their own cabinet. Do you see that this Do you see this. As a step to improving the outcomes of children in care not just indigenous but all all all children who who are in the child welfare system. I think it's an opportunity for all children because we can. We can start to see us. These indigenous ways as best practices and again not every child care is a caucasian english. Child their other children in care that could benefit from the same indigenous practices. And so could. I think that like i'm work. A colon lodge. Were working with a group. Group called the circle in victoria. And we're just creating a book on beck's best practices like so highlighting some of these indigenous communities. That are doing things so that when people say okay well okay. I can't. I don't know how we're so and it snow fall to the social workers but we're there in a system where it requires you to think a mean see what sometimes you just can't think beyond that ingrained in your overworked and you have all these Things around you and so this allows you say oh. I'd never thought about that. Like oh well we didn't we we. There is a grandma that could take in. There was a program called. We called the bed program and so there was. They said well. We just provide beds if we go into home and it's just they need bed so we provide them offense and so it's like it's simple as that. Oh well we know that. One of the kinship providers can take the children but they just need to two more rooms to meet the standards. We built tomorrow rooms air if we have a young parent program and we can just provide wrap around supports to the parent to support her well when she's pregnant so that she has the the supports and tools for when she has baby. Then that's that's something we can do also so just really thinking about those. The different perspectives And the the possibilities that that can bring different programs and sometimes there's something we're not used to because it's something. We're not practiced. This is why is produced by me. Dave mcivor and adam toy. It's national radio show and podcast. You can reach us by email. This is why global news dot ca and on twitter at this is why if you like what you hear subscribe to. This is why so you never miss an episode. Where available on apple. podcast spotify. Or wherever you find your favorite podcasts. And if could like what you're hearing tell the friend. Thanks for listening. Wearing masks can get vaccinated. See you soon.

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Chief Ronald E. Ignace on preserving Indigenous languages

The Current

24:22 min | 4 months ago

Chief Ronald E. Ignace on preserving Indigenous languages

"From cbc podcasts and the fifth estate brainwashed is a multi part investigation into the cia experiments in mind control from the cold war and m. k. Ultra to the so-called war on terror. We learn about a psychiatrist who used his patients as human guinea pigs. And what happens when the military and medicine collide. Listen to brainwashed on the cbc. Listen up or wherever you get. Your podcasts is a cbc podcast g. i think how would you. This is a healing song in the child language written and sung by two brothers from the first nation and british columbia who were trying to keep that language alive through song. It's estimated that fewer than one hundred thirty people still speak that language. Ronald ignace has devoted his life to studying speaking and saving indigenous languages this week. He becomes canada's first indigenous languages. Commissioner opposition created in response to a two thousand fifteen call from the truth and reconciliation commission. Ronald ignacio lives in ski chest in one of seventeen communities in the shuswap nation. He's an adjunct professor at simon fraser university and joins me now rana league. Good morning. good morning. What does it mean for you to hear. But what does it mean for you to hear that language knowing that so few people still speak it and there are brothers and there are communities. That are working so hard to try and keep that language alive. Well let me tell you you. What the state of our languages are in. I used to wonder if when i was young. A young man and sticking with our elders listening to listening to to say that. I'm feeling lonesome because there's fewer and fewer people that i can speak to our language. It's a heartwarming to hear definitely. How precarious are those languages. This is this has been your life's work in many ways. How precarious our our indigenous languages across this country will there are approximately Seventy seventy languages across canada and it is majority of them are are endangered or critically endangered. And some of them have no more speakers left in their community Fluid speakers left in their communities which is a travesty in my mind. It's a loss of a great heritage and It ought not occurred. That ought not to be the situation. We know that in the years since the truth and reconciliation commission Came out there. Were calls on the canadian government to create this position. What's your understanding as to why this position has been created now seven years on but before i go any farther i would like to say something. Yeah and I'd like to say and speak to the people across the speak to my digits people across the country by saying electric light elliot's Election this alex. This in dan New new cornelia Commitment luminous as i said my language i would like to recognize and honor all indigenous peoples in canada in their as i speak to you from my home and swept and territory as we embark on the work to stand up our languages together and again your question was which is why why. Now that's happening. I mean it's really important to hear the language and in in for so many people. It's a lifeline. And a lifeline. That has been taken away. Why do you think there's renewed urgency to to preserve those languages and why you are in this position now. Well the renewed urgency as you say it is has been For us always urgent for us to maintain and sustain and revitalize our languages for example in nineteen ninety eight There was a resolution passed at assembly of first nations Calling for declaration of a state of emergency for indigenous languages across canada unfortunately things that called that cry of a state of emergency for indigenous language across this country fell on deaf theorists. Do believe now is different. Oh that's different because you own. It's different now because there is a much has happened. Much has gone under the bridge. For example in i worked a established. i was called by national team failed in nashville chief at the time to come to auto established national committee languages after the Began discussions with the federal government to for the federal government to the establish a strategy to help maintain and strengthen our languages across country and fortunately And in the process i realized in discussions with the government at that time that is important that if we need to have a united front a to accomplish our hopes and dreams for our lang were just so i reached out to the inuvik and maty leaders and we join forces and were able to successfully negotiated an agreement with the federal government. Minister seila cups at the time and established a task force and we came up with the report that we was included. Twenty five recommendations of which one was called for a national legislation as well as a establishment of a commission to be the watchdog on the legislation ensuring that the federal government would uphold the promise of legislation Unfortunately when stephen harper got elected In the fall of two thousand five he shelved the task force report at pullback. The hundred and seventy million dollars. That was on the table that we negotiate with the federal government to begin launching the strategy to revitalize maintain and strengthen indigenous languages across the country. And in the meantime many issues such as the end the truth and reconciliation commission was established in sankt murray sinclair and his drc recommendation. Ninety four recommendations calling one of which was a fourteen fifty calling for the establishment of legislation to recognize our indigenous languages in law as well as the calling for the establishment of the commission. And that is what a has helped. But what invigorated us into the hard work of our political organization such as the seventy first nations it. J. and the federal government Adopted at the united nations un drip which then further motivated us to push for the the recognition of our languages in law. Thou what's the impetus along with all the social and political movements said. We've been engaged in across the country. Nothing has been given to us. We had to fight every inch of the way to get to where we are today and For those of us who are survivors of the oppression of our languages Part of the cultural and physical genocide that has been wrought on us by the state supported by the churches at residential schools. Another national another institutional ways in which are languages were stigmatized than the press. The day that belsey ninety one indigenous languages act received royal June twenty first. Two thousand nine hundred was a memorable moment for us because quinn stephen harper. Shout the task force report. I have to back up and say that when we finish the report we called it. We had a ceremony to honor. The work of the task force prayed for being brought to life. However when it was shelled. I could truly here. A from the the the hearts of our elders hitting the ground the country in that dearly. That that that invigorated me to stand up and fight harder in sulphur. Less we were. We were in in the woods for thirteen years. Fighting in the background. Fighting for our language is fighting for the recognition of her languages. It stood the hard work in the sacrifice of many of elders news and leaders. Many who have we lost. Who lost in the way on the struggle to get your and i would hope and wish up. Objective is to honor those people's memory bull as well as those survivors from the residential school to ensure that we do not experience what we experienced the residential school ever again in this country. I told the court that i'm wrong. Friend another one. Small man giant wheel caught. But i do wish that official that. I'm wrongfully imprisoned right now. Uncover season seven dead wrong joke. Pit bull maybe not available on. Cbc listen and wherever you get your podcasts. You are one of those survivors. You were a survivor of the kamloops residential school. And i know that you are invited to visit the site earlier. This month When you were there what did you reflect on. Well i reflected on. It took me back to the time that i was a child that became to what we call slam wheel in our in our language that is when i become a became conscious that i was the shuswap child that we had an that. We had language that we had a proud an honorable family. I was raised in adopted by my great grandmother's two yen. Who was medicine woman. She was born in eighteen seventies as well listener. Big grandfather was chief at that on and they raised me a raise me in the language. They're taught needed ways. It was we were. We were a proud community. A vibrant community self. Reliant hard-working kibo that had orchards and gardens. And root cellars brimming Full of fruits vegetables. Both what we had grown on the ground but also from our boston gardens are medicinal. Plants are buried in ruth bulbs and such. I had It was a when we had a strong extended family. I lived in a household Which i lived with my break. Brad brad Migrant brandt my aunts uncles and nephews and nieces it was it was not a a a a mansion but it was a home with filled with love and affection and when i was taken away put into residential school the day that i was taking into residential school. I tried a primal scream that never other since in nor would i want to utter that again because i knew the life that i grow that i'd become knowledgeable about it. Became slough will end would be no more but before i was That was the ultimate nine years old dot taken into residential school but also i was raised in releasing my grandmother when she before she left. She told me win. Some all of which stem as She instructed me. She said before she left her. I want you to go out into the white man's world studied learning understanding. And once you've done that you come home and help your people. And that's what i did in nineteen eighty two. I came home and stood and withstood up. Our elders as chief of our community and i have not looked since. Then how do you think language can help the survivors of residential school and of the sixties scoop of the foster system and their families if there is that that as you say you fought for everything when it came to renewing and reviving and strengthening those languages if there is real urgency to ensure that those languages survive how can help us survivors. Do you think well. I mean it goes without saying you know canadians. Who are asking. That question should look back into themselves. The government of canvas. You look back into themselves because our language just our identity. Our languages come from the land. There is a reciprocal reciprocal relationship between ourselves. And our land. When i can tell you we have a dead man river that goes through the heartland of our community here and i grew up as a child. A young man no boy fishing in that river along with my other brothers and cousins we'd go to the river and catch fish and bring it home. That was those are food are are. Sustenance are protein. And now in nineteen eighty-five because the way Of the overfishing on the west coast by commercial fisheries that fish that run has practically for all intents and purposes become extinct in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. We made a we. We had to fight for our right to fish in in our in our rivers here and So we passed a law in our community saying that no longer will we allow the the department of fisheries and oceans. Are anyone else to tell us how fish in our water here but realizing that the fish had a is practically extinct we decided to impose closure on the river that that would help in bringing back fish but the never has but what has happened is that there is a couple of generations of young people that no longer know the language of how to conduct that fish no longer know the name of that fish in our language no longer know how to make the technologies to conduct such fishing. Which are a fish has been all. It's an important protein that has sustained us down through the ages. now we are people. Don't own donna how to speak about it. Not know how to talk about. If i talked to the young people today about. They wouldn't understand what. I'm saying so. Win a resource such as that becomes extinct so does our ability to speak about her. So does the words of our language become extinct because of that it is totally connected to the resources of the lab. That is why we have. You see are indigenous peoples across country fighting so hard for the environmental concerns that they have you said when you were named into this post that these are your words are languages will no longer stand in the shadow of other languages here in our land. There are two official languages in canada. How how in the last couple of minutes that we have. How would you like to see that. Change what what should the nation due to recognize the languages that you have been speaking about. Well i mean let's As i stated that day that bill ninety one indians leg which received broiler said was a memorable. It's a rare piece of legislation that was co developed by indigenous peoples and the canadian government and many of us seeing it as a way for as we seek reconciliation restitution and move towards a just future. It recognizing our languages and shooting its rightful place. As the founding languages alongside other languages across country will help make canada whole are you. are you optimistic. That will happen that the that idea of making canada whole is really powerful. Well you know our chips in nineteen ten stated to the wilford. Laurie that our fight is not with the ordinary of our fight is not with ordinary. Citizenry of this country are fight with the government and we have been fighting with the government of canada and they but they went on to say that it is the duty and responsibility of those ordinary citizens who came here in good faith took up land in good faith. They have a duty and responsibility to see that their government does the right thing so that we can build a great and good and just country so today where we are going to call upon the canadian citizens to do that. And i'm deeply moved by the two hundred and fifty truckers. That had a Care about to the residential school hockey and crying and showing their love and support for justice. Let we are calling for the sixty bikers. I thank the the the rising up of canadians across this country showing their support for the loss of those two hundred fifty children and others. It is day working with us. That will surely help us. Attain that dream that vision that we have to have our languages recognized to rightful place alongside the other languages in this country so that our languages will not stand in the shadow of another. And i thanked for what the what for standing with us in this day and this with their help that we will be successful. I'm really grateful to have the opportunity to speak with you this morning and i hope we talk. We talk again as you Continue this work. In the meantime ronald agnostic. Thank you very much. thank you His glenmont cook. Thank you for listening to us. And we call upon all of you to hear our cries of health and the need for your support it is as it is your duty as a comedian citizen to see that the right thing done by us. Thank you very much stem. Ronald ignacio is canada's first commissioner of indigenous languages. He lives in ski justin. One of seventeen communities in the shuswap nation for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Lightning strikes twice for Spurs

ESPN FC

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Lightning strikes twice for Spurs

"It happened again unbelievable scenes in the Champions League. Twenty four hours after we saw that dramatic combined for livable, Spurs, go to Amsterdam and book place in the Champions League. Final in the most dramatic of circumstances. Lucas more the hero hat trick. That sees them through last kick of the game pretty much go. I think halftime looked when Yama hasn't played much football. And it should I think it got stage where ages Hoti terminal down three on aggregate ages at this, right? Lesson was going to go Laurentienne will fly income Amora and son will love noble of the body down in midfield. No whole Medfield bought or what up against it go for. And it was just incredible. And actually dominated the game. I mean, if you look at they actually taught I mean, I actually lawyer but taught them way more, but what's amazing is this side look -absolutely on its backside lost five of the last six premium league engineers, the squad's thin and look that way so to must've amount of energy. Yeah. And passionate and quality to get done. It was just up brilliant. It was strange because the yes all the excitement yesterday. We we watch the game. And it was and it was just. A little bit. Climax, and I don't want to southern the second off this this game in some ways. A little wasn't many goals in the FOX leg. This Kane a member of the fos- leg, you know, the first half Tottenham completely outplayed, and we're trying to trying to play a tactical game the realize that really the end of the day all there to do show some blood and guts, and that's what they did. But it didn't get gold, and it did the same in this game completely open trade. And all of a sudden you go, right? Forget it's takes this is this is about heart and soul and got will clean the. We'll get the ball forward when we can just get after. And of course, another miracle. We've also been fairly critical of your N in the past. And with good reason. But I thought he was standing for what he did. And what you contributed in the second half. He s before the changes forced but allowed Spurs to get the ball quickly. He has brought up really well renew that song. His piece would have an impact. But all it's a little bit of a division. For Lucas Maura who arrive lead with peace and with quality. Every single time thought spruce, and they respond to the second half was simply fantastic and one that I asked for all the prisoners that we've heaped rightly shoe to get this find the competition to be as far to be ahead as windy for his tough wouldn't really able to just the young players the youth inexperienced again, which we've raised so much wouldn't able to make the adjustments needed for for Spurs response. They weren't sure. Ho- to play the game other than on the front foot uninsured on credits. Booze credit to look as Mara and creditor poetry, no forgiven. This team they believe that they can go and win this game. And the second basically said time all them. That's all we're probably going to be left on your own turvy to turvy one ever. So you're just gonna have to deal with and. And that's the way they go to. I think another what for for Hugo Rishi said a few Ricksen them this year. Particularly in the forest half memories says he pulled off grits. Yep. He pulled off some really really big saves Christmas. I know they had the posters put up some big save big moments. I thought the second you see exactly that from from Hugo lorries, which really I in debt by in that, you know, everybody's going to push forward. I'm gonna have to send to Hobbs every time. The ball comes over. I'm gonna comfort regardless on your show the times he got a hand head and it wasn't. It wasn't pretty. But you know, as a goalkeeper what you read you through in bodies. That's what you're gonna have to do you not to come? When you're not supposed to come. You're going gonna put yourself in in positions that you wouldn't ordinarily do an even. But even when he did that even many flops it crosses, resemble two seconds eve contribution that we I just spoke to spruce his response. And again as a keep up that position when you know, what us of you knew how you're going to go about your business. You just do without complaint and trust the others to to do their jobs. I'm that's what they did Nukus more taking home the match for now. Impressive was. Oh my goodness. He he did. Absolutely everything the could possibly do on a football field a golfer head a fault for the ball. He fought to win it by when he got it was intelligent with each Yuki chances. I mean, you talk with Tino making the changes made a difference. I mean, if you don't not feel the UC this guy running around for you, you can only follow his lead. And that's the all dead. And you know, in some ways, I'm she'll be people say, well, why didn't told him start the game late now. But you can't you can't play in minutes way. They played the second half, you know, daily Ali run in the second half to get late enjoying them we guarantee and then the talking about Lucas he's talking about the same thing we saw on you can't expect teams to do that for ninety minutes. So they made the just. The right time because for forty five they showed they can do for for. I have no promise bruise approach astatine again a little bit cautiously Uni wanting to do. So you really only looking for one goal and what you're doing to do as conceded Leon and how the the opposition on the front for the play for Bridget concede rather sloppily from a set-piece then you can see the second. No, you have to you just have to throw all caution to the wind. So as much as we could sit back in hindsight and say about Bush should have started this. We need the sensible thing to start the did you just don't. No coach. Yeah. No. The the the full stop. Doesn't play Harry canes. Wanting to mess and son plays in Newark and subways. I'm not for one minute suggest in the rebel eight hundred Kane who's a fantastic striker. But certainly the dynamic of the team has changed because the previously they had Ronald Gonaf hurricane be daily Allio oncoming from white a no through injury, and some some personnel changes the hard to go with two quick list with them, which was something Moro, which for the the periods. Been a big Fulham, particularly with bows. And behind this station night, an extra border and an Laurentien. Wore Kaufman, I agree with shock that a great job as a great option to hav. But, you know, just the dynamic of ho they've been able approached the games without Cain with the personnel has changed, and we all know Mora had quality, but it's been some journal because of lack of continuity in time, but we saw the best hem tonight. What was incredible with comparisons to last night, obviously in it was kind of done and dusted. There wasn't the late drama that we saw him because at two to I actually the post we don't maybe just Spurs just gonna fall little short in. We'll be talking brave performance in the second half. You know, they almost go to over the line. But then to score in the manner that Lucas did just solely on ninety eight minutes. Pure desire. There's no other excuse me. There's no other reason. After over what this guy is on the game. The he can still produce a ton of pace like that. And go past two defenders he went through the middle two defenders and for the what he did in the game to still have that desire to put himself forward and make that run and then to have the composure at the end finish it. I mean world closet foster. The way the. Yeah. But. Having onto the one that daily Alary vast didn't reveal. Roy Moore onto it because he was so quick the false goal. An in many ways, the same goals, equal is good. Because Lorenzo channel the goalkeeper makes the save all of a sudden. Atlanta has feet. He's he's back to goal does. At least five I XE players all around me monies to wake and I think in the end not make Diller. Thank you, try to squeeze it through the legs of deliver into the coal. I mean, it was. It was just. Meant to happen. But it seemed as if it wasn't going to happen. Because by the way, I asked for an don't blame them the time wasted at the end is well was choking on Xtra Cianci's taught them. Let's talk about Rx this just simply inexperience. I had loss applaud that's and rightly so I think when when Real Madrid not so much so because they've had a very Percy's event is when you look at how taught them just say what why were we saw subdued. Why why did we not strangle the life of these and experienced players and just smother them because when taught them dead that in the second half and Shaq was off and gloves off the just couldn't handle. It couldn't handle as eleven Cup for them. But it's a big one. They didn't know what to do didn't know idea. We had absolutely no idea. And I'm an pray shown the throat this whole season as good as they've played football ways. They'll never been under so much pressure. Then taught them house and the second half of the false leg and the second half of this time to change it in that second half when everything was starting to go wrong. Well, you. You. You can't let you rented Chevy bike. You know, you have to try and be brave and the electoral nineteen, but he's the leader the bike, right? And you have to try and be courageous as a defender and brave and Marshall your troops and get yourself oppor. So that you're not challenging and fighting with a guy for twenty five yards from your goal all the time because you're renting then doesn't have to win it cleanly. He just needs to get down. And then you daily Ali and Lucas and Sean fight through if you're if you're making that challenge for yards. We go. Then the still along a long way to go to the ball in the back to rush Israel spruce got the third goal. Suitable the ball deep in their own half long ball into your N t the licked comes to your rent. If you're renting has got his back to goal seven five or ten yards outside the box. Let him have it there. You don't have to get close. You're not gonna tune on Hutu for peace to back off. But let guess Tiber your any he flicks on to Lucas Mara. And then all of a sudden delivers out of position trying to make a make a challenge on Lucas morality, very death, oddly looked almost zoo. He kind of pulled out always afraid of committee fall in the box, again, lack of experience to the point that that you making before these are the things that will caution again for me, this is don't youth and an inexperienced. The other thing is I asked have not managed any game in this latter stage of the Champions League at home that well uninsured loss Real Madrid. Juventus ultimate defender do Gail at you rent plea cotton most with them, you don't just you. Don't just back off heat rented dictated the whole second half ho deeply one right? You support his getting from me start thinking. So so when you do that turning the ball halfway there? He's actually concentration figure it where he is as opposed to what we saw in the second half of whom just dictate and right here we go here. Knock it to me. You can't let the hopping it wasn't. It wasn't every ball was quite low. But everyone was up these heads Stevie said who's quite a few came in. And he was Chester an whole deal off pharma Medfield defensive midfielder. I'm telling straight away I'm going to try and pick that second ball. But he was a low to bring it down these chest and pop off to the side of poppet buckets. And so he he was he wasn't the only definitely it was huge. Difference when he come on. I think for law up there, and it's not without criticism buffing and Volker is is think rightly so when I'm on deserves criticism, you should get you shouldn't be like on next role the red car. However, when you when a lose when you look at what this guy has done with no sayings in his cell phone with the budget. Fifty percent of all the talk clubs in England. Louis talk five he's vying in fighting for what he's done with team the way they play. The way he please the results of Gaul. Okay. The not in the title race. But to take them Champions League final. No, I haven't back is budget either. I'm comparing him with the other English teams to see, you know, people with much more money to say a job best guy. That's fellow has done. Unbelievable. What was interesting putting was the most the motion out of everyone pretty much at the final whistle and says on the page and the post game interview as well. Similar similar what we saw yesterday. You can tell the players love to play. Right. But you know, the reason tears the players that look as a plea you'd look 'cause you're on the field you runner you use energy. You'll try do something about it. We're Hewlett nice out on the Bank. There's nothing you can do and Staunton them. This puts lately the season, the pod Chalker, a ruler Costa. I mean, that's the perfect example for Tottenham. And so when the whistle goes every age it goes, he's he's on the show much pass pressure. You know, he's not under he's under repression freeze job. But within the pressure he puts on his self and actually the reason number in the final as because he makes please responsible, and he makes them feel responsible and they carry around as well. So the soon as was goes, you feel you feel a guy who sat through torture for one hundred eighty minutes, including the falls again, speaking of torture. You can always download our daily podcast, which is a valuable on the website some scribe on I June's as well. The lineup then set the Champions League. Oh, it will be Spurs against Liverpool in which raid livable weensland tie as favorites on June. The first. Scanned of Spurs. Albion? Honest. Tools ended the the the game on thinking, you know, what that's kind of fantasy the life will be great play against that. Buck four 'cause you know, the them can be organized and can keep teams. So. End of the day. I think I would probably prefer to play I ax just because nor the Porsche Tina will organize this team big time and make it real difficult for Liverpool. Joe how many mutations he's hiding these head since the game. All involve losing. All right because you know, the league table doesn't lie right over the peace. Love uproot a superior team. But destiny, and all that sort of thing whether you believe it or not specified an incredible tournament didn't win any of their opening three matches. Then we unbelievable drama in the Manche to city game. The rely on PSV getting a point. I think yours. Okay. I'll go with you on that. Oh, lay drama the off side go, and then obviously what happened with Lucas more the range sailing off. So yeah. Is it written in the stars? Is this is this going to happen for Spurs? Well. Well. You cannot get the same point for Liverpool. Why? Three. One of match for Spurs continued throughout this tournament. Well, let's not look. It's just good decision. Yeah. You know, VR is the Manchester say was heartbreaking for them. But I'm the but romantically suggests that destiny. At some point the going to run out trip is between these two as strike says league table doesn't lie research results between these two would suggest Liverpool as well. But most teams have done well to get this far Liverpool public feel they've got unfinished business, given what happened twelve months ago at more Saleh on your right spirits concede that we had a fair share of luck to win any competition. This you've got to get a couple of breaks along the way. And it usually depends on who takes. I don't care. What year what team they've all had their moments of luck that they've had to make more stuff if you're Spurs you take it is one offer for all the models. No. And what went on before counts for nothing ship the final shebang create final because the two teams of. I mean, they have to superbly attack and say the plate good stuff. They've got Vaas players, please. So money's performance. Last night with scenes sons performance over the weeks and months, Lucas Morris performance hell knows what fitness they hire Aquinas Iran on the field too. But the fighting free weeks away. So that's that's quite a distance. And then put Gina's some decisions. I mean, think winks wings might be back. So big because when Yama and dia who haven't played much stuff our air mobile now. So craig. Craig Craig mentioned it before with garden. Lucas is that normally the one he makes way because of name if canes back and you'll put you do you feel any sort of loyalty or necessarily necessity to play or not necessarily? He's if he's as good as we think he is the only thing you'll be thinking about as what's the best eleven to win this game. Not who to belong to or any of that so nonsense about how do we win this game? And if it means look is more is on the bench. Then look as more has on the bench. I mean, I could give him ahead pretty moist. Right. No Liverpool or go to be on the front. You don't go into that. You don't really? But can see Liverpool Bill in front foot and short on? We'll be picking up a good position. And the us peace debris if I kings for new question he plays. I think so I think shown plays what should it after that depends on where the porch Tino why? Brecon lynn. And then I tell you why. And you might be right. You talk about Liverpool but on the front foot, which the deal the time then it's perfect for scenarios. Perfect for a counterattack. The quickest pleasant soda Maura who have done great of re weeks the other side of the coin, and you can't underestimate this as he's not going to play the game. Larry King because he's not going to play this weekend. Don't believe. So he's got no game. Are you contributing the halo? Oh, you want you up to speed. So I wonder if there's a case where it goes on the bench purely because right not because it's not a bear player. But he's had no games in wall. Probably but time six weeks every front porch two I'm playing hurricane. I'm playing Lucas more unsown on playing Mora unsown out wide asking them to Liverpool's wing box back as far as you can. Because you don't want them to to advanced and you try to play up against Liverpool on the front foot. That's what brought success in the second. Now, that's expose look their best against a quick coach attacking team axe. And this is one hundred eighteen minutes seen a reason to change it. No, the only Schwope from from spruce second off in this game is your NT for for hurricane which which you do any week regardless of times. Anya predictions. Don't have time now three weeks ago. Those just remind ankle I'm available on our YouTube channel, plenty of other videos there as well. The Scholtz subscribe. Takes precedence tomorrow. Awesome. Taking on Valencia. Atlas stabbed. But you know. I am recite. How a three one lead Hensley? I'll bay favorites. Four to one on Valencia Levin's of four. This is nine means done. Is it staving it's still refunds the also may wanna. Lutely. Velasco lick. Valencia. This is this is a look of the Alderwood suggest for me, Meanwhile, Chelsea against Frankfort one one, of course, in Germany Chelsea six to one on to advance Chelsea following. I would be shocked. Jokes. What we talking about those games, of course, on the next edition of ESPN, say thieving behalf shock and Ali agent. Haley in the home. What a couple of days we've had been able to watch all the 'em fold. Why is there a reason why we've seen this you're saying defendant? Tim teams teams don't put enough on defend. That's for sure. Eighty percent on going forward and twenty percent on defend. That's why you see so many goals in so many crazy comebacks things showed up with the bus food bucks last night. She has your bathroom performance. He's not not sure about but gently jolt Alba, you know, doesn't want you do the the game. He was great in the fossil going forward. But last night he was hiding these leg attack. So I think defending an ultra the so much pace of the game. That was well as played at such a pace that the just so many more. I think John's is being created time too much of your criticizes defending you not to give teams credit for when threw caution to the wind and on how they are somehow able to manage the back because the second totally different from from the first legs. I think that speaks of more than just about defending otherwise we have in this story throughout that's done. Thank you very much shack. Pray gone to stave agents. Remind extra time available not questions looking. Ahead. Oh questions night. No Scholley notes until next time confide. Welcome into extra-time is hits the burly now entertained. Fighting. This gesture the accent suppose there's going to be a good game. Suggested up my game up to. No, I think you criticise me forgetting to excite about the Liverpool game and not excited enough about the. Well, she is a very good game. We have to have you with it like a. Could he expert? As you're traveling. I don't go against mccourty. Yes, I'm guessing contrary, which is the comeback. Liverpool. Why because. Opposition Morrison who the opposition? In some sense. For five minutes opposition position. Well. Messy because. Because the ultimate competition. Two was it's cost had snow around police. The. What did you say? When he's when he's writing these it. Lucky dip lucky. We'll just go for. Michelle Basim Twitter. Twos. That come back. The song about this the next messy. Right. I don't know. I mean as for both these had forty five minutes to come by. Bill ninety but then they were putting site. Gang. Given. To do something miraculously that we are at home. But the way from warm to tell you. For them. He's this the best Champions League, Abe. Oh. Please. Easel only helps obsession with ever never. Everything up to try to figure out what just happened to. Partic- among the top five managers in the world. Yes. Why? We talked to Mike after all who. Absolutely. What he's done with. He was five before when today. So. Yeah. Abel's? Unless he shot his poa run draw for one. Oh, yeah. There's an argument to save pardon is doing as much as any on the monitoring an angle. Spending. Plan to windows. Just one hundred four. About the window on this just us to. Expects an old English. Right Balik final to God trouble. Right. What's we have that? For the next eight months. We're going to be talking about which league is best league looked proof positive and all that another thing. Yeah. We do we say at what you said Ella drawn fit concept. I said months when the league. Yeah. When the league, and then you're gonna have a livable Spurs Champions League final. Also Chelsea rope league. Final mansion night fans go give up anyway, don't want pretty much. Hi high. Okay. All trust. Fill. You know me. Anyone statement? For the first time. Edward everything. The voice of everything on the control tomorrow that we looking back at those Europa league matches Muslim League fine. Let me come back. Let me come back. How many days we'll find out?

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Behind The Scenes At The 2 Trillion 'Coronavirus' Bailout - with Rep. Thomas Massie

Ron Paul Liberty Report

22:51 min | 1 year ago

Behind The Scenes At The 2 Trillion 'Coronavirus' Bailout - with Rep. Thomas Massie

"Hello everybody and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty report with me. Today is Daniel. Mike Adams are co host Daniel. Good to have you here today. Are You doing today? I'm doing fine. We have a special guest It'd be very interesting. He's been on the program before he's so famous and he gets so many viewers that we liked to have gone back again as Thomas. Massie from the well-known Congressman who stands for the Constitution. Thomas Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me Ron. I'm the most hated man in Washington. Dc This week. But I'm wearing that. Proudly Nancy Pelosi said I was a dangerous minutes. Well then then you`re. That's why we welcome you. I guess so so anyway. I find it very interesting you she. You stood firm and you were trying to make a point as well as follow the roles you know and get a vote and tinker around with these little bills. I think you have to wait. 'til they're big enough that the wake-up Congress this was just a couple trillion dollars a why. Why should we have to have a vote on that? The sounds to me like they ran rough. Shot not alone over you. Which is secondary here riding roughshod over the whole constitution. So what did you? Sorta give our viewers an update on this because you did make the national news and sometimes bad national news at the beginning turns into good news on the long run. If you're speaking the truth and I believe you are so give us a sort of an update shirt. What transpired okay. So the early last week the Senate passed a bill. Ninety six to nothing Your your son was absent because he been diagnosed with the virus but was ninety six to nothing in the Senate and they came up with these rules for how we could vote without exposing each other we would vote in shifts. We would come in thirty at a time if we needed to vote and they said we'll give you twenty four hours notice when we're going to vote on this bill but a Tuesday. It became obvious to me last Tuesday that they were going to vote at all that this plan to have his vote wasn't going to happen and they were. GonNa try and pass it by unanimous consent with an empty chamber. That was my suspicion so I got in a car at midnight. Tuesday and I drove through the night. I slept for an hour arrest stop and then drove the rest of the way. The next morning I made sure that the unanimous consent did not happen and they realized it was pretty sketchy to try and do unanimous consent so they decided to voice vote so on that was Wednesday. They said we'll do a voice vote Friday and they told everybody to stay home. They were like you don't need to be here for this. Well I got out my handy pocket constitution and I looked up. Article One section five and Lo and behold. It says you're a majority of Congress needs to come to work if you're GONNA pass bills and I think the founding fathers were very wise to put that in there it seems somewhat obvious but it wasn't obvious to my colleagues so I let them know on Thursday because everybody was was trying to blame me for delaying. This vote actually didn't delay it a a minute. Now if I if if one person could stop a bill I I would have stopped it. I'M GONNA be honest with you but one person can't stop at one person might be able to delay it. But that wasn't my intent. My intent was to make people come to work and go on the record so on Thursday. I told art leadership. I said You'd better have a quorum here and they said why because the constitution requires it and on Friday. I'M GONNA ask for recorded. Vote if you don't give it to me. I'm going to note the absence of a quorum and that would stop the bill so that's when they started taking me seriously by the way I've been doing this for Su- you know as long as I've been in Congress for seven and a half years I've been asking for recorded votes specifically on bills that spend billions of dollars now this spends trillions of dollars so So I made on Friday. Well Thursday night. You can imagine ron the arm twisting that was going on I was offered things I was threatened things and then then on Friday morning. I got a call from the president. I'm not gonNA relate the conscience of that call but it was. It's a cordial call in and I had some of my best friends. Were texting. Say Look we want you to come back to Congress so don't go down there and light yourself on fire because we need you to come back to Congress and I talked to some of my staff and they were like look. Do you even want to come back to Congress? If this is the way Congress works I said no I. Don't this is our country's going to hell in a hand bask in this bill is the worst bill. I've ever seen in the history of mankind. It's the largest wealth transfer from taxpayers to the super-rich in the history of mankind lake. The Roman emperors couldn't pull off this kind of pillage. Fdr Wasn't this bold. It's it's a six trillion dollar bill. Actually because this gives the Fed four hundred billion in less than leverage. It will probably about ten to one. So they'll have four trillion over there. Congress will have two trillion I. I've done the math on this. If you take trillion and divided by a hundred million families that comes out to sixty thousand dollars a family of spending loaning borrowing or printing but each family is probably GonNa get three thousand dollars at most. Where does the other ninety five percent of that money go to goes to the rich? It's it's so I mean I was thinking that even the Bernie boroughs might be upset with this but I didn't have anybody there Toback me up on requesting a vote there were some who indicated. They were no votes now in all history. We'll never know who is yeah. Hey we'll never even know who showed up because quicktime came I. They debated for four hours by the way four hours. They say I was delaying the vote but they said instead of having a vote. We'll have a four hour debate like we recorded. Vote Takes Fifteen minutes and you WANNA four hour debate. And they said well. Yeah because we don't want to vote and some people want to say there. Yes and some people might want to say. They're no so in the four hour debate there was like an hour left and I looked up and that was like hey window I get to speak. And they said you're at the top of the wait list and they said wait. Wait you mean they said well these other congressmen indicated interest in speaking before you did and so you'll be at the top of the weightless which is code for. We're not letting you speak so I didn't get to even speak on the builder and the four hour debate. When it was all said and done they passed the bill on a voice vote. I requested a recorded vote. Something that's never happened in the seven and a half years that I've been in Congress happened at that point. They denied the request for record. Vote the only real. Parliamentary option for me at that time was to note the absence of a quorum. Which is what I did. They filed in the head congressman like in reserve. I guess that. And they filed them into the gallery in down on the floor and kept the spacing. You know the social distancing and then The speaker goes. There's a core bills passed boom put the gavel down like. They didn't even say. How many were there now? Some people speculate. They didn't really have a corn. I actually think they did have a quorum. I I would guess there were two hundred and fifty or three hundred people there which makes their denial of the recorded. Vote even more nefarious. They knew they had enough people there to conduct business but they were trying to conceal both the identities of those who showed up and didn't show up as well as for all time protect all of the Republican and Democratic incumbents from having to this vote so I joke with some of my colleagues I said you know I use the constitution and I. I was able to make you show up for work but I wasn't able to make you work okay. I think Daniel has a comment and a question. We talked about first of all while you embarrassed. And that's the worst thing you can possibly do. But I just wonder if maybe it's been awhile since I've been over there working. But how is it possible that they could deny you? Request a recorded vote. Doesn't that go against the house? Rules will the the house rules say that a fifth of the members must stand and they they didn't if a recorded vote is requested And if you know the leadership Kevin and Nancy we're telling everybody don't stand but even if they even if ninety nine percent of them had stood. I talked to the parliamentarian before this all went down. I said what if I think George is standing and the speaker against me. He said that's not debatable. Or appealable the speakers count is certain so anyways and I and I have a lot of respect for the parliamentarian but he was just explaining the way the rules work. You know You know you did one thing though to reassure the American people because the American People Watch and they have complaints and they said that there's too much stalemate in the Congress and there's too much By you know I'm the partisanship fighting back and forth you. Guys just can't get together and have bipartisanship agreement now there. You went and did this. And you have undermined. Near theory that there is no bipartisanship and Lo and behold a bipartisan came through Pelosi and the Republicans work well together. So should this be an answer to these people. Watch out for bipartisanship. Yes watch out for bipartisanship. What Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy had in common? They both had the goal of protecting their members in their primary races. Now when it gets to the general election they'll battle it out but Kevin McCarthy and Nancy Pelosi also had another goal. They want to be re as the leaders of their respective parties. Not You know. They want to get that reelection. Whether one of them's speaker and one of the minority leader doesn't matter they need to get to the top of the heat. And the way they do that is by being sort of like Patriarchs or matriarchs in and taking care of their members and so one of the parts of the incumbent protection package that they each of them offer to their members will insulate you from the tough votes so Daniel. That's incredible. There's a piece in the New York Post today. I think that's also the paper that name you the most hated man in America it says quote you saying You felt like you were actually doing trump favor. Despite the fact that he was a little bit grouchy with you over this. Yeah you felt like he doing him. A favor by asking for the spoke. Maybe you can tell us what your logic was in that. Yeah absolutely you know the people who are saying you don't have a plan to go down there and set yourself on fire I said I do have a plan in. Here's here's the plan. If nobody objects to this corona virus bill by the way it was the third bill and if we all stay home and and Pelosi gets to pass a bill with nobody there that sets a precedent and then when the fourth bill comes up travel's going to be harder. Let's imagine it happens in a week or a month or two months from now. Travel is going to be harder. There there will be more congressman who have contracted the virus and if nobody stood up on the Third Bill. Nobody would have a leg to stand up on the fourth bill so what? I'm hoping is on the fourth bill which Nancy Pelosi his promised. She said the third bill two trillion dollars was just a down payment And so let's take her at her word Juno tomorrow. If I hadn't done this she could have a vote. She could call ask for unanimous consent and she could pass it right there on the floor with nobody there and who could argue with that if we had already let one pass that way. So what I have done is to strengthen his hand also Mcconnell's hand they. He's involved in this negotiation but I've strengthened the Republicans hand by showing the Democrats. They don't get the pass bills in an empty chamber. Thomas you mentioned that the Executive Branch representative of the Executive Branch tried to change your mind and I'm sure. Republicans worked on as well as Democrats but We'll talk to you and put pressure on you because they all agree that we can have this kind of mucking around with the Constitution. That's old fashioned. But what about What about outside the the Congress lobbyists? Were they involved in this at all at any of a mess with you? Today just fear. You're a lost cause or did outside groups of people in any conservative groups. Come to you and say well. Under these circumstances you know this is a real emergency. So why are you doing? Did you get any of that Idea Ron you and I haven't talked about this so I don't know how you could predict it other than I'm sure it happened to you but first of all let me talk about the obvious ones. The Chamber of Commerce. My local chamber of Commerce was Trying to melt my phone lines you know saying. Don't you don't do this. By the way they they represent only very tiny small fraction of by constituents and I get along with the member companies in the Chamber of Commerce. Just fine it's just sort of. The management of the Chamber of Commerce was trying to stop me from doing this. But there were there. There was one conservative organization and I can't call him out show because they're helping me out but and I think they had to. They had to concerns number one. If there was a recorded vote some of the other people they were helping out would vote the wrong way. And or that if they voted one way or the other if they voted the right way it would hurt them in their general election. And you know that's a fair criticism. They said look. You're in a safe district in November. Even though your faith is not certain in June it is in November. If you win your primary whereas we've got these other members so think about the other Republicans you know when you request this vote and then they also had the argument that look. We don't we don't want you to lose your election. You're you know you're walking into a tornado here and that's what I did. One of my one of my staff said. Do you really WanNa be that guy tomorrow and and I said I I do not want to be that guy tomorrow. If I could find somebody to do it I would step out of the way. Let somebody else be that Guy. I said but two years from now I WANNA be that guy who who did it tomorrow but looking back on it. I whether I win reelection or don't wear my reelection. I I would be agony and tormented by memories if I didn't take this this effort to uphold the constitution while everybody seems to be on fire running around saying now's not a good time to think about the constitute Daniel Thomas. Here's something that I'm really interested in. We know that you got beat up on in the beltway quite a bit because of this but I'm wondering what happened in the bigger part of the country called the country. We'll have reaction. Were you getting where people people all of a sudden saying? Hey who's this guy? I need to support him well. What was the contrast between the beltway and the real country with a real country really came around quickly to support me I've got amazing Support here in the district even some people who texted me Thursday. Who said Hey. Maybe you shouldn't do that by Friday. They were texting me. Sorry I ever doubted you. And then the people who never known me before have been calling in and offering support at my website. Thomas Massie DOT COM since Friday. I've received three thousand donations from all fifty states in the average donation is sixty five dollars just to sort of indicate the kind of support that I received and I and I'll tell you why it wasn't just the money that people have have donated because they know I've got a tough election now. It was the stories. They sent me a single mom. Sent me a note and on twitter and said my thirteen year old daughter stays at home by herself and I go to work every day at Pepsi. She works at Pepsi which you wouldn't think is essential function when the government starts doing central planning but any case she said I work at Pepsi and my daughter stays at home. And I haven't missed a day since this virus broke out and I live in X. County ex state and and I'm not going to tell the county or the state but it and she said we're one of the hardest hit areas in the country and I'm still going to work. She said so. You give it to them. You tell them the truth because what my colleagues were saying. Daniel is well. You're you'll be exposing us to the virus if we have to travel. And and meanwhile they're telling the truck drivers to keep driving they're telling the farmers to keep farming. They're telling Amazon warehouse workers to keep sorting the packages. So they can get it at their house and they're telling the grocery store baggers bag my groceries and bring it to my car. Meanwhile they don't want to go to work they get one hundred seventy four thousand dollars a year and free healthcare right. Thomas I'm going to ask you one Question Short question and then we're going to close I and I'd like you to be able to give them the address and added. I was number of people that have responded to To the publicity that you've gotten but the the one thing that I I wonder about is how how people react now versus later and I experienced this with a lot of people. Of course I stood against the war in Iraq and There were a few good conservatives and we won't talk about who did it but a few good conservatives that took it and really got hit hard and it lasted longer and probably was treated a little rougher than you're being treated but not to not to soften that any but And they thought they could lose in all of a sudden time time changed it and they change their mind. I can remember one time. Somebody a close supporter of mind from the end. He was in the military really. Get after me for voting for that against that. Political War the Popular War Patriotic War and yet a year later he came and was compliment. So I think I think that will change. I think if anybody's giving you grief I think it's going to change it. Sounds like they've already made some changes so I think doing the right thing at the right time and standing up for it is something is way over and above the issue itself. It isn't. The dollar amounts is standing up for something. You believe in instating clearly and Thomas. I think that's where you have excelled gear. It gives the address out. How how's your people can help you out. Yeah the easiest way to help me go to my website. Thomas Massie dot com a massey spelled M. A. SSI so Thomas massie dot com. There's a donate tab like I said. The average donation has been sixty five dollars. We've raised over two hundred thousand dollars by the way Ron. I'm the worst fundraiser in Washington. Dc in five days. I've raised more money than I raised in. Twenty nineteen like all twenty nineteen I did. I didn't raise this much money and it's still probably not enough to win because what's happened we don't have enough yet is some Some people that have a lot of money got really mad that I might. I mean maybe they were doing insider trading and they were assured that the stock market would move a certain way when this bill passed at a certain time in any case people really mad at me and they are Allegedly Funding Super. Pacs to run against me. And so I've Got Wall Street and the big banks against me and so I am going to need that money. It what what was. The certain race is now in is now My opponents got life breathed into his his What was a stillborn campaign? The funny thing is he says he's pro trump but he's deleted all of his social media cow of postings but we have some of those postings that we've been showing people this show he was never trumper like he said he hoped the military does a coup against trump like those that was after trump was elected so he case but he's a chameleon he says he's going to be more supportive of trump that. I haven't supported trump enough by the way trump's already sort of backing off this bill because the base is really pushing back on this bill especially with some stuff. Pelosi got but I know you're short on time so I just want to let people know that We've got two hundred and ten thousand dollars since Friday. Sixty five dollars at a time. Some of them are five thousand dollars. But if you can do anything at Thomas MASSIE DOT COM I. I need every penny I can get to beat this guy. Otherwise the swamp wins otherwise they get to say see what you remember that Massey Guy. Everybody thought that was real cool for him to go against the swamp that day. Well he's not here anymore and that's the problem. This is a proxy war. Well Thomas I want to thank you very much for being on and I think it's very impressive. What you're doing and hopefully we can help you to bring some more supporters to you but thank you for being on with us today. Thanks Ron thanks Daniel and I wanNA thank our viewers for tuning into this very special report. I think it was very informative. And even though I'd been to Congress I think he explained some of the details of how they run roughshod over an individual who wants to do this radical thing and practice and follow the constitution. That's a risky position. You take in Washington and we'd like to reverse citizen Thomas Massey is doing his very best to reverse that attitude but thank you everybody for tuning in to the Liberty Report. Please come back soon.

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The Risk of Concentrated Bets with Brian Portnoy

My Worst Investment Ever Podcast

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The Risk of Concentrated Bets with Brian Portnoy

"Key began to see value in US financials as US financials began to rollover, and we know what happened between Hugh two of seven and q four of weight terms at US, financials obvious catastrophe of proportions in in capital markets. He was buying every tick down he thought that more and more value is being created. And whatever skill we assessed at him reading balance-sheets. He clearly didn't have oh. By the way, it was three year lockup money. There was nothing. We could do. Hello, fellow risk, takers. And welcome to my worst investment ever stories of loss to keep you winning in our community. We know that to win in investing. You must take Rhys, but the wind big you've got to reduce it. My name is Andrew stance from as Notts investment research. And I'm here with featured guest. Brian Portnoy, Brian are you ready to rock? I sure am. All right. So Brian Portnoy is the director of investment education at Vertes investment partners, where he develops the firm's content on behavioral finance and investment solutions and has worked in the mutual fund and hedge fund industries for the past eighteen years before joining versus in twenty fourteen he held senior investment strategy roles, including it mezro, financial and MorningStar Brian is the author of the geometry of wealth how to shape a lie. Life of money. And meaning that's pretty cool, which he published in summer of twenty eight teen, and that's even more cool because you've just published it the book explores how money figures into a happy life in two thousand fourteen he published the investors paradox. The power of simplicity in a world of overwhelming choice, which helps investors make better decisions about both traditional and alternative investment strategies. He has spoken to audiences globally about investing in decision. Making and has lectured at the US securities and Exchange Commission as part of its leading authors series on the history and future of hedge funds Brian pursued his research and teaching interests in politically Connie at the university of Chicago where you earn his doctorate you're in a BA from the university of Michigan, and is chartered financial analyst a CF age charter holder like myself are right Brian take a minute fill in any tidbits about your life. Well. That was an unfortunately long bio, but yeah, I just add on top that I live in the city of Chicago, a small town of nine million people with my wife and three wonderful kids all of one mile Wrigley field. So we're excited for hopefully, the World Series in the in in the near future and beyond that, I think you covered. Okay. Good nine million. I didn't realize Chicago had that many people that's about the size close to the size of Bangkok. So where I am a little bit slightly different temperature though. I think I think our seasons are probably a little bit more extreme. Yes. Exactly. All right now, it's time to share your worst investment ever since. No, one goes into their worst investment thinking, it will be tell us a bit about the circumstances leading up to it. And then tell your story. Yes. Sure. So for a pretty long period of time close to a decade, I worked in the hedge fund industry at a fund of hedge funds called mezro financial mezro, advanced strategies, you made quick reference to earlier in my bio and starting in two thousand six two thousand seven or so I was the global head of research. Hedge fund research for the firm, so I was actually based over in London. And at peak we were managing something like fifteen billion dollars in client assets. All institutional capital that blue chip pensions, foundations, Dowman, sovereign wealth funds. And you know across kind of fifteen billion ever take we had maybe eighty or ninety investments so our our average ticket size. So to speak was was was quite large north of one hundred million dollars. And we at certain investments that were north of a quarter billion dollars in that context of helping to direct global research. We made some good decisions, and we made some bad decisions in the couple the I was the quarterback on where did not go. Well, so you want me to dive in ho fort. Okay. This is a painful one. And I've thought about it. So many times we were building out our global book with an emphasis on European and Asian equities. And it was around two thousand six that one of the most successful prop traders in history as far as we could tell was spinning out of one of the largest global investment banks and just given the nature of. Network in the hedge fund industry when top tier prop traders throw out of those organizations and create their own hedge funds. It's a big deal. You know, there's been a number of legendary investors out of Goldman Sachs, I in particular from both the equity and the fixed income side and actually on the currency and macro site as well this individual who we were doing due diligence on was not from there. But from a very large and reputable organization where we were able to verify that that he and very compact team. Just a few other guys were able to generate many many billions of profits for the Bank over a long period of time in generally he had a track record of success going back twenty five or thirty years. So it was an invitation only opportunity, which in retrospect was part of the problem. You can be on one side of the velvet rope or the other will get into. I led the due-diligence. It involves. Solved doing work in London doing work in the south of France doing work in New York in terms of interviewing not only portfolio manager, but the entire team piecing together. And when someone rolls off a prompt desk and runs a hedge fund afterwards. The prop desk by rule can't really give you a history of the trades. You have to sort of piece together from variety of different sources. So it really is a mosaic process that that that's in play. The you know is very much part of the curriculum from from way back when I zoom still is. And so we were able to number one of validate that he had made some very profitable trades over a over a long career number to the and more importantly, there was investment process behind that it meaning that it's not nearly good enough in the diligence context to see a winning track record. You have to know that there's a process behind it because you know, put crew. Certainly you need to distinguish between skill and luck. And so, you know, we we were able to I think suss out s-, and it's not as clean as it would be for, you know, say forty US based mutual fund where you've got sort of daily NAV's, and you can you can look at it like that. That's just not the at least it didn't use to be the nature of hedge fund due diligence. We dug in quite of quite intensely both on the investment performance in investment process FRANZ as well as on the personal front on the personal front. This was a guy who was known to be relatively brazen, which wasn't the most distinguishing feature especially in the preowned hedge fund marketplace, you had a lot of guys that were quite old. And this guy was out there. In fact, as was quite fashionable at the time, he would be characterized as an activist. So, you know, there are still famous activists in the industry. Whether it be a Carl Icahn or Dan Loeb, or you know, very successful, gentlemen. Like that. So the fact that he was bowled in terms of his public wranglings to extract value out of the stocks that he was buying that was just part of the deal. We kind of had invested in lots of activists funds at that point. So it's not we weren't familiar with that roadmap on and on top of that he was known for and we were able to validate that he made very concentrated bets. If you look at a one end of the spectrum a Quant fund, for example, might have hundreds or even thousands of small positions. They're going to win or lose based on the underlying factor exposure that comes through those many small positions, and there's been firms like renaissance, for example, that has been just fantastic of going by that. But at the far other end, you have a track records of certain folks, including this guy, and whether it be a, you know, Paulson or an icon or or lobe Pershing square. Green light, David Einhorn. You know, big guys. Who take very a big bets? And so he was in that world. He was looking to raise a limited amount of money from a small number of partners. We were one of the firms that was quote unquote allowed to do due-diligence on him. And he was able to raise really a few billion dollars in a relatively short period of time. And we cut him a check for north of one hundred million dollars on day one. So let could go wrong. I mean when you described that, and you're you're setting the scene. Yeah. Really meaningful that like what could you have done? Though that that leads into the story. That's that's that's a great set. Right. Right. And you know, look, there's obviously a sample buys in the story because you asked me to talk about huge screw up. So I'm telling you about huge screw on acting. But we invested in other long bias concentrated activists funds that generated just fantastic risk adjusted returns over long periods of time the sample bias, I guess in the in the good way that we're focusing on a loser. Because the the lessons that can be learned are abundant. In fact, the first book that I wrote the investors paradox. I spent a lot of time talking about our underlying biases, both as individuals and organizations and how you can occasionally hopefully, no more than occasionally end up in a situation. Like, we did with this guy and his organization where he you know, we ultimately invested. I think more than. Two hundred million dollars in him. And he was down more than fifty percents what when everything came due. And so, you know, I I have the kind of ignominies accomplishment of losing more than one hundred billion dollars of other other people's money. I wasn't the only one on the team doesn't matter. I was leading the due diligence it it was on me. It is on me. I mean, this was ten eleven years ago at this point eight nine years ago at this point, but still it was on me. And just a lot jumps off the page in retrospect, and I'm not gonna I I don't have a speed your script prepared. So let me just kind of rattled off some things, and if you wanna follow through on any of them happy to the I was sort of the context in which we made the decision both the exclusivity and the pace at which everything was happening hard to maybe remember for some that in two thousand five six seven even institute thousand eight hedge funds and fund funds that invested in hedge funds were taking in. In billions of dollars. We were taking in upwards of a quarter billion dollars a month at one point and that meant that we needed to put that money somewhere. And so that was on the demand side. And from the supply side, you had a lot of guys working at prop desks and other organizations that were spinning out to do their own thing, they were happy recipients of a lot of this on a lot of this money, and you know, one of the big lessons is that context. Organization matters insofar as someone moving in in this particular case from a prop desk where you have a certain risk management protocol, the nature of your capital balances the denominator. So to speak is quite different than it is when you're running a fund with outside capital where you basically have a fixed on a fixed denominator in a prop desk setting. You don't I mean, this is really inside baseball in hedge funds, but it's one of those things where okay if I'm going to project that this individual is going to be successful the future based on. What he did in the past one of the questions is well is it the same type of scenario? So if I take LeBron James when I moved him from the heat to the Cavaliers to the Lakers is the floor. Bill ninety some feet long is the who ten feet high. Yeah. I mean is the ball of the same size on every court. The the answer is is yes in investing. That's not necessarily the case. So, you know, here moving from prop desk to a fund where you have a fixed capital out. Once it could be context of what securities they invest in over time. People say on I'm in equities. But I understand the whole capital structure. So now, I'm going to run a multi strap right? I'm gonna move up and down the capital structure from equities to fixed income, and maybe I'm gonna do a little bit of capital structure, arbitrage I've seen this seen this countless times. Mark people get very eager to learn new things and that can sometimes be dangerous especially as relates to. Oh setting expectations. So, you know, we certainly I think understated the nature of the change in context of him moving from prop desk to to being a standalone guy because at least at this global investment Bank. There was somebody who could use sort of you know, sort of pull, you know, take take the cane from the side of the stage and say, okay, buddy, we're gonna pull some capital back from you. Now, we confirm that that almost never happened because his his Mets were so successful. But in retrospect, it's clear that the risk management protocol that he needed to have in place at the hedge fund was not one that he was actually experienced with. He was used to making enormous debts and writing them through in them coming out pretty well. That wasn't the case here when the nature of stop-loss discipline was quite different than what he had experienced in the past. We also had learned that. You know, given the he'd been around for a long time he had traded through down markets. So he just wasn't a bull market guy. Bull. Markets are similar, but they're never the same. We didn't really have a roadmap to understand what could happen in two thousand eight tight liquidity crunch that was very different than oa-to. When you basically had, you know, the the the delta between value in growth, flip one hundred and eighty degrees and a ton of hedge fund strategies do quite well because they tended to be long value in short growth. And so unlike tiger if they survived the late nineties, you would be in very good spot and the nature of the really concentrated positions in a bear market of any stripe at especially a liquidity driven one can bite you really hard. And that's what happened. I mean. He was so heavily invested in some of the stocks that he he had such large positions. They were on unmovable and just to throw more kerosene on the fire. He had a global mandate. He was inequity oriented guy. We thought from argue diligence given his track record. He was going to be focused mostly on Europe and Asia where he had made his bones over over decades the mandate for mostly any hedge funds that you can do what you want. And you know, the documents are written as such there's really no recourse from from that perspective. And what happens earning in early the mid of seven, and especially into two thousand eight was that he began to see value in US financials as US financials began to roll over. And we know what happened between Hugh two of seven and q four wait a in terms of US financials on obviously a catastrophe of biblical proportions in in the capital markets. He was buying every tick down he thought that more and more value is being created and whatever skill. We assessed at him reading balance sheets. He clearly didn't have. Oh, by the way, it was three year up money. There was nothing. We could do now that I've made myself probably sound like a complete moron your global listenership all I'll stop and see if there's any particular games that you'd like to dive into. But I think it's it's a it's a great point. The purpose of this conversation is to discuss worst investment in. I know sure you're very successful guy. So I appreciate that. You would discuss this. In fact, there's many people that have just refused to discuss their biggest mistake so hats off to you. Because I believe you've learned a lot from it. Basically, let let me summarize some of the things in. I may ask a couple of questions in that wrap it up but under so much to this. Is a few different points that I've written some of them that would maybe questioned some of them may be just something to the audience. First thing the audience is I always say, but typically within Zia Faye from an ethical perspective. Your job is to follow the guidelines that you've been instructed to follow that you've agreed to follow the follow your mandate. Your job is to have no fraud misconduct in all that. And if you've followed those principles, particularly veg funcees old best who is saying I'm going to his risks that I'm making it. Sometimes it's even blame the the reality is financial professionals. We do the best second thing. That was interesting is the concept of scarcity name a few times. And I think that what I would take away from this is that maybe seniors city is. Really more of a marketing thing in. We have careful not to fall on the influence someone saying this limited time only a limited number of people. And so I would say that my first thing is the scarcity. Something to be careful now one thing that professional investors will really is his is also this and see it's being put on yourselves others at that time with tons honeybee on thrown at you to manage. So that just is really really difficult situation. Now, the other thing that I would take away as lesson is that is this is something I always say about small business in general is that running a small business so different working within accompanying the infrastructure. That's within a company is just is all there. And when you go in set up your own business. None of it's known. So your success is not just going to be. Hey, I did my job really. Well, this company A. And now, I'm gonna go set up a company doing that. No. You need skills UNIDO risk management skills. You need a lot of bills and you need. Structures in sometimes large companies have the burdensome structures that we don't like, but they can be valuable in that case. The last thing I would just highlight is the idea of concentrated. That's really really in the financial. Generally, we liked someone that's making concentrated. That's a two things really have to meet him. Sitter. The first one is when you're making concentrated bets. Gotta have losses in your plan. Something goes wrong. Something can go wrong really quickly. But even if you're sitting on GRIs manages if the market starts to crash you had saying that you see was positions. Immovable unmovable. You just. You just you hit with those issues at night can really hurt. You those are the main takeaways that I take from what you said. Is there anything else that you would add to that? The the the the scarcity one is really important the point about potentially missing opportunities because you know, what's hot right now. What what's hot right now, you know, in in in the US market among, you know, high net, especially high net worth investors as private investments, and you know, you can throw a few thousand dollars in two Aventure or more than a few thousand dollars. And you see this being you know, you you hear it's it's rare that you hear an idea, and you say that's the dumbest thing ever. It's like, oh, here's a smart person or a smart group, and they raising certain fixed amount of capital, usually not that much and the potential upside is of lots and the potential downside is, you know, zero and that a symmetry actually concerned kind of attractive you almost treat it as a gamble. So. And then you know, they can. The screws on a little bit and say, you know, well, we have we have limited seats were raising a limited amount of capital. We've got a killer idea, and that sense of scarcity on that sense of timing. I've realized you know, in part through this experience one of twenty about from ten years ago. But others you got to you really have to check yourself. It's really good to have other people. You gotta have your own discipline. But then you have to other have other people around, you coaches counselors and colleagues and peers who say, you know. What are you getting into in? Is it really worth it? I it's it's you rarely and this appoint for individuals, but it's really even bigger point for careers institutions, you usually don't get fired or in any sort of trouble for missed opportunity. You do get fired or in trouble for the kind of screw up. The I described here, thankfully, it was a committee based process. I didn't look good others. Didn't look good. You know, like I said it was on me in terms of the decision. But so sort of just the nature of the business to take hundred million dollar bets on guys that you hoped would, you know, generate alpha, the this whole experience was the Genesis for the investors paradox because I really wanted to get into the psychology of decision making. So I I know, you know, you don't want these podcasts run too long. But there's the scarcity issue there's dealing with the charisma of the poor. Folio manager, whether you like them, it's are there certain investment styles that you're attracted to I know some people who love widely diversified small position Quant models, and I know other people who like chunky concentrated bets historically through most of my investing career up the ladder, and obviously tone that down given some of my experiences, but yet you kind of have to take stock of the types of things that really trigger you both positive and negative and recognized that there's gonna be arguments in arguments on every investing dimension. And I think with when you have get experience in a specially when you make mistakes and doubly especially when you miss make mistakes with other people's money. You you can learn these things in end up. I think a better in a better spot. Okay. So let's let's get to this. The next part bond gas, which is really one of my which is the actionable advice section. Basically the question that I want to ask is based on what you learn from this story. What you can send you to learn given that destroy was ten years on what one action would you recommend our listeners take to avoid suffering the same that he honestly might guts where I really think I feel most intensely or passionately about this is recognizing that if you're going to take a very sizable risk like the one that we did in terms of the amount of capital, the the duration of the lockup on the nature of the risky nature of the underlying investment. You you need belts and suspenders on top of belts and suspenders to make sure that you're comfortable with it. And you have to it feels crappy in the short term. You have to recognize that if you pass on the opportunity in ends up becoming a home run. That's okay. Because if you wait for the next pitch, you know, buffet said everything at some point. So whatever that line is about the fact that you couldn't stand at the plate and wait for more pitches. So, you know, the number of people who were day one in Amazon, Microsoft, or or any of those types of stories good for them. And the smart ones would tell you that was more luck than skill. But on this particular type of investment, and now anything that I'm doing publicly or privately it's even for somebody who writes teachers behavioral finance for living. It is so easy to get wrapped up in the moment. And some. Times. You just have to force yourself to walk away and say, I'm not going to do this today. I love that. The my mother meet my eighty year old mother lives Bangkok Thailand. She's she's sitting in the other room right now. And she some I think she summed it up even better than Warren Buffett any years ago when I was young she said just 'cause she you don't have to buy it. But this wasn't a case that it'd being cheap. But she is always say that when combined go it's on sale. Well, you know, it's a parallel situation because it wasn't cheap. But it was scarce. Yep. Yep. Is the scion? Sometimes we feel really good about, you know, picking up something that others can't have. All right. Well, there you have another story of laws to keep you winning to find more stories like this previous episodes in resources to help you deuce your risk. Visit my worst investment never dot com. As we wrap up. Ryan Ryan, I wanna thank you again for coming on the show. I know it's main. Talking about are losers. But our listeners are learning mint is a result of any party, the audience, just stay frosty, you know, manage expectations. Well, and you'll be in as good as spot as you can be well, that's a wrap on another great story. Help us create grow in protect our wealth, fellow risk takers. I'll see you on the upside.

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Building a Promotional System that Guarantees More Revenue and Impact

The Entrepreneurial You

30:50 min | 1 year ago

Building a Promotional System that Guarantees More Revenue and Impact

"Hey it's John Lee Dumas of e o fire and it's the entrepreneurial you this show for dedicated and passionate Caribbean entrepreneurs seeking daily inspiration brought to you by Author Speaker Award Winning Entrepreneur Hanukkah watkiss porter. You must be prepared to ignite in summary. You must have a balance of value in your in your business re providing video content or other content at to your tier subscribers to your to your customers at the same time you have to bounce that generating money because you can't survive on your business if you're only providing free value all the time you've got gotTa have a system is way to promote things so you got to be looking at adding more people to your business you have be looking at increasing their prices and you have to be looking at Additional products and services for your own customers if you can look at those three things build ninety day calendars where you're consistently adding each of those three areas into the calendar and you're really focused on ascending your customers and creating new customers of the other side. You will succeed massively. Hi this Hanoch. Oh I'm so glad you took the time to stop by today in Jamaica. Wog One McGLADE say Dale. 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Transformation of our business through conversations John Mahfoud CEO Jamaica. And we're listed on the Jamaica Stock Exchange. Give us a call today at eight. Seven six nine six seven three two seven one to begin your transformation through conversation. We want to see your company listed on the Jamaica Stock Exchange and now Harris. Today's episode everything must be made as simple as possible not simpler Albert Einstein. Hey how are you doing? My people form a chose that you are indeed staying safe in this very strange time. It is episode one hundred and Sixty Seven of the entrepreneur. You podcast I'm your host Henkel. What Kiss Porter? Today's episode is with Steven Summers. Stephen is the CO founder of marketplace Super House and on nine education and says his company that helps people all over the world learn. How sell their own products globally on Amazon complete from scratch together with his business partner? Robert Stephen has sold over twelve million dollars in products on Amazon and has no helped over five thousand. Two hundred people learn how to start their own Amazon business. I'm excited especially in this time. And I'm looking forward to having a conversation with Stephen on building a promotional system that guarantees more revenue and impacts. So that they can rewrite this story and rewrite a revenue story right. Welcome Stephen Thank you so much for having me. Great to be here absolutely no before. We dive in Have you ever been to Jamaica? WanNa know something I'd never been to Jamaica and I hope this doesn't offend you but the biggest thing in Ireland that we love Jamaica is the movie cool runnings. My Gosh I'm going to. I'm going to have to see that. We have elevated so much more above that but anyway I know it's all right we we consistently just love hearing stories about Jamaican People. We are all in all of your athletes and all of that. So I think the athletes in Jamaica really puts you guys on the map certain from errors some point so it's great to get to speak to somebody from Jamaica because I've never done that before so there you go great when I am really honored to be the first and honor that year here and I'm looking forward to what we're going to be talking about and if ever there was a time that our conversation is relevant is no rain You know the online space as being their fatigue in for a very long time. But I'm not quite sure that many did get it. What do you say to that? Yeah that's a really great place to start. I recently did a stream with Robert Menendez partner. You mentioned earlier on and we talked to a lot of our members and the Hash that I came up with From the meeting was Hashtag never again meaning like a lot of people in our world and beyond that really relied on one income source for a long long time. I used to do that. You know. Twelve years ago and dot something. That of late has really come under the spotlight right because now people are in some cases like they've lost their jobs. Some people are still at home waiting to go back to their job and things like that. So it's a really strange time for people that have kind of gone all in with their job and so a lot of people on the call were just like. I wish I had listened even more to what you've been saying and Roberts been saying for six years now five six years now. I'm reading talk. This idea of building a secondary income. Really seriously we're taking this so seriously annika. We're actually building a new. I suppose a new company but a new business called side-hustle heroes because the truth is data for the next longtime history. We're GONNA have to start utilizing technology and the Internet specifically in order to create secondary incomes. Because we can see no more than ever that relying on one source of anything even a business one source of income in your business is not a good idea anymore. It just leaves to open to situations like this so absolutely. This is a relevant time to have a conversation. And when you mentioned that people really get it I would say some people did. But I don't think enough people took it seriously enough to create more income streams as a whole like. We've got hundreds. Hundreds of successful students are doing great Bo also we've got hundreds of hundreds and hundreds of students who who needed this moment. Unfortunately to really shake them up and helped them realize that you have to have self reliance and you have to have control over more than one source of income so yeah and I love that I love the Hashtag never again. I think I'm going to be using it. Never again right. Can you tell you that you know we have been resisting? It would appear for such a long time but it's as though the things that resist are the things that if they are important to our lives. Then we're going to have to catch up with them or be forced with whether or not we want to like. No we know that we are we're forced are forced to work from home to school. From whom and some people don't even know what to do themselves but they'll figure it out eventually. Yeah that's a interesting right. Because I was reading an article in the Financial Times and the gentlemen row boats like sapiens and stuff like that a very very smart guy so these Hannity Civilization and stuff like Dad and he was saying that you know because of what you just said that people have been forced to do different things like work from home and all that our history is going to basically jump forward by ten years in essentially the space of a matter of months know you mentioned colleges schools for so long like you said. I love what you said they. All these different institutions have been resisting. Change have have have known that the Internet is here technologies. Exume here right and they've really just sort of said. Yeah okay but I'd not really worried about that anymore. Like dot never happened or whatever and then something like this happen and now we're scrambling to figure it out and so in in all of this too. That's interesting. Is that from this negative situation so much opportunity is going to be created and is being created because if you think like a lot of people no. I do not take a slightly a Lotta people are hurting right now and I really don't like that a help sympathy for people even ourselves like you know. We're not sort of going to commit unscathed afraid company as part of our marketplace superheroes business. And we've had the close our warehouses for every day other than days. Containers are writing and stuff like that. So we're we're all feeling some level of discomfort from the situation but the one thing for me unfunny by listening is like the opportunity to jump into the world now and really leverage technology helps small businesses get themselves online help people who are already on line get in front of more customers and also help people who are at home with different services that can be delivered and things like that like that those those opportunities humongous but I think the issue is whenever something bad like. This happens because most of humanity is still in the old paradigm of work. That's why so many people see this as like you know such a negative thing and it is overall very negative. The pulling is that you know for every action. There's an equal opposite reaction so right now we've huge downward trajectory and certain industries. Both this is going to be an opposite reaction certain industries a rice and certain businesses even buyers restaurants. Right now closed. I predict that wants this whole thing ends and will end at some point businesses. Like Dad are gonNA thrive even better than ever because we're going to be more technologically. I suppose connected. Were spend way more time not in the presence of other people and so we're going to be craving social connection and somewhere to go so I think the whole landscape of businesses going to change forever because of this and I like what you really how you put it in my madame Ng darkness cannot exist without light and so yes because there is so much darkness there is even more light. That will illuminate and we can blame the opportunities from it. The point is for us to make sure that our eyes are open and the opportunities are not missed on us. Because we're so focused on DART and it's an yes there is and he's it's very important that we you know we stay alert so that we know how to respond and evil and Rather than being reactive to be proactive in this situation but not to miss the opportunities that you've alluded to and so you have you know you. You're such a tremendous experience working on Amazon. Doing Business on Amazon and you have the opportunities that are online and have been present for a long time. Have not been missed on you. So now we're going to segue into the topic of the day really which is building that promotional system to guarantee more revenue and impacts. But before we go into that just share a little of your Amazon Story Charm. Well I think before I get into that. I'll just mention that. The Promotional System. I'm GonNa talk about is really going to relate to people who have their own email lists and things like that so anybody who's got an ECOMMERCE business or at business for you're teaching people have a services business. It'll be extremely relevant to you. People that do Amazon though a teacher funding it's not quite as relevant because of the way we do Amazon Apple. Alex Alex plan go along But basically a background life story when it comes to succeeding with Amazon Than Building Marketplace superheroes and building superhero freight Heroes Nevada it all began. You know a lot of people rise in a job it didn't like and basically I was looking for a way to start something online because I knew even Tan over ten years ago I wanted to have an online business. I didn't want to be stuck to a physical location and so I like a lot of people. Were googling online headache. Money boss only terrible programs like Sony Shady programs at things. I would just never get involved in. Am I just thought like? Is this what the Internet actually is? Just won't as scam. Who will or or what and so luckily for me I. I started telling people You know I needed some help. Needs to try and figure out what business to be in and I realized at that moment like physical products was a great place for me at least start because it didn't have to be an expert in anything per se. I didn't have to have any prior experience or people take me seriously. I just find products that people wanted. Make a better offer and get the get in front of them and a tried on my own for awhile. I made a lot of mistakes. I brought in always talk about it Mike Cream Kansas wardrobe with my first product that I ever sold brought in didn't like it sold out but I didn't make any money because I bought something that everybody else was was basically settling. I just copied everybody else night. I didn't even know what I was doing so a long story short which I am doing. My aunt basically said is this guy called Robert. You should get the know so I met this Guy Robert and I saw to business selling on Amazon selling on Ebay. He had to wear two warehouses lots of staff all that. I got to know this guy and I said look. I want to learn everything I can from you can I can I do that? And he's like gangway. Okay so I quit my job. At the time. It was a data processor. Incredibly Boring Job. Basically moved into my aunt's spare room and just started learning working in the warehouse every day freezing cold and just moving boxes but learning this. Ecommerce business worked from the inside out really and I worked there for nine months with Robert. Earning everything I could an you know. We decided to adopt point. Aware has Z. had staff he had. These are things we didn't want to really have to have anymore. Because Amazon have this thing called fulfillment by Amazon. Which for anybody. Who doesn't know basically means is you can send your products that you get from the. Far East forever. You get them from. You can send them into Amazon. They'll store them for you. And then whenever you make a sale Amazon will actually do. The customer service is the shipping for you so it was basically a way to outsource most of the functions of the business and just focus on finding more products again. Cutting that story short within less probably twelve to fourteen months wade turned around the business completely brought in brand new products from scratch and got ourselves to one point. Two one point three million dollars per year in revenue thirty percent net profit. Lot of people always asking the Prophet. So we were doing well did offer number years with Robert you know. We went on vacation with their families and enjoyed ourselves but then like a lot of people which felt like not really having much impact. Now we're just going to selling stuff and we're getting allow. I'd I'd like to show other people. How do this and we cannot sell all millions and millions of products and other people but I'm zone courses and we just didn't feel like they were really helping people as much as we felt. We could so long story short start marketplace superheroes in ten fifteen of kind of light at a bigger level to fourteen made the idea and now it's five years later well overflight and a half dozen students. We have afraid company will do all the shipping from China for members. So we basically add. Save a ton of monthly shipping their products from China it's us with huge wear in the US UK out. And Yeah we've We've been eight figure business doing this now. And you know learned a lot along the way a lot of down two billion audience spilling promotional machine. And that's what I'm happy to talk about absolutely rights. You know you've you're headed right there and so so. Many people know migrating online. Because again we're forced to when we had the conversation around earlier. I'm how do we build that promotion sin because it doesn't matter what we're doing it's not going to automatically sell itself. In many instances right we're going to need to have a system in place to promote and so on without being spammy without You know just Infringing on the right data protection right of others and dental. So how do we know? Bill that promotional steam to guarantee the revenue but not just the revenue to have the impacts because impact is very important. Yeah absolutely well. There's lots of different ways to do this. But the way we've found that it's very effective is obviously. Just come to your point which is like not being spamming and scamming all that. That's obviously the first things first. You have to have something great product or service that you sell or you're promoting. That is legitimate thing. That's getting real results for people number one then really from there in terms of like infringing on rights of people and data protection etc. You've obviously got to have things like correct permissions on your landing pages and stuff like that. So that whenever somebody is opting into your email list. They're aware that they're doing as SAS. Just real quick Brief point to get into the specifics. Then we look at it. Is we live in what we call twelve week years as Great Cultural Week Year. Actually it was a highly recommend people. Check out and the that's the idea like we can achieve a years worth of progress success etc inside twelve weeks. What point so and see. We've we've we've gone entire year in just what three months? So it's it's you and what is not right. No sorry I had to interject. We've had a year in two weeks pretty much. Yeah Yeah so so. That's what we do. That's that's the first episode ninety days there of course and what we then do. We have basically a simple caught. A calendar a spreadsheet we basically break it up into week by week and what we do is we look at each of the products and services that we have and like in our value ladder. So for anybody. He doesn't know what that means. Basically like in your company will typically have a main core product or service that you're promoting but then you will have our should have alternative higher prices in some cases lower priced products and services so that so upper dam. That is your value latter. Some were consistently doing then is we're creating promotions to promote each of those different things but the way we do it is we typically promote each program over a two week period. And the reason we do that is and sometimes even three weeks because we want to include a lot of content and a lot of value before we ever asked anybody to make a purchase decision. Or we ask anybody to apply for a coaching. Call or anything like that. So let's just say for example. We have a program that so five thousand dollars or something like that. So higher priced offer while we would typically do is have the first week of that promotion air engagement week so there we wanna have like a hook behind what. What's this promotion about? So we think about the product that we're promoting. We think about EPA angle for promotions. Let's say it's a a mentorship program so I might my theme for this promotion might be I know like opportunity is my theme so they might Hook than to hook. People in in the first week is I'm GonNa talk about stories of opportunity where people even me. I grasped and opportunity in my past like my story almost and look where that got me. So we're very story. Based in the first week Amer providing a lot of value typically then we'll provide free video content that we have on youtube and stuff like that which relates to the promotion. So there could be video about the power of mentorship in the first week for example so people feel like you know three or four emails. Not First Week that. Yeah. We're actually providing value enjoying it. They don't even know there's a product or service at the end of because that's not relevant right now and basically in the second week we will start focusing on the fact that we might have a Webinar that we talking about the Service we might have as a free video series is going to be dropping. We have something that we're building pressure up to. Because if you don't build up pressure in your business even if you've got five hundred people on your email list you're just not going to be successful because no one's GonNa invest themselves inside which are promoting. They're not gonNA consume the valuable content. That's helping explain why this is something they wanna do or not do. And so. That's what happens in the second week. We let them know we have a Webinar. For example we tell me today about it. We give them a link to often that Webinar. We always allow people to opt in even already on our email list. We still get the option to do a one click registration. 'cause you WanNa you know. Give people the option to come on live or not and then the third week that little promo we would have. Let's say a lot of applications. That's what the whole a promotion did that. Webinar did on the night we drove some applications. And then we have little outgrow sequence. That usually goes from Thursday through to among they were talking about the program. We're talking about the application call. We're talking about why you may WanNa do or not do something for a few days and then we let people know on the Monday. We're GONNA closing this down on the evening so that there's real scarcity is real urgency. Because I you Hennigan. I started this whole thing. I was like a never gonNA do Scherzinger. Urgency Never GonNa do cam timers on never gonNA tell you. Don't close things right because I thought you know that's just just leave it open then people will know but unfortunately human nature you know you have to add in reasons for people to do things are they simply will not do so. So that's why we always have deadlines and what we do. And we keep those deadlines and so that's basically what a simple inner promotional and then really then. Through those ninety days we might promote two different things each month. Amer- Amer- doing a lot of things. Here were getting content all time. We'RE BUILDING THOSE DIFFERENT. Social Channels. Were also then you know getting to know eleven planes to get to know us even better through this process and also were allowing people to choose whether or not they want to invest more time in particular progress service before we ask them to make a purchase and that's essentially the system at a simple level. It sounds very solid and clearly it is working for you For those business owners who maybe anxious a product or service that you're selling you may be anxious about sales and even coming across as desperate out and and so you you kinda jump start the process you know you you go ahead of some of these things but What would you? How would you advise somebody? Who's doing that at? Just sorry you could have a little bit. Just say that again. Sorry that's a really good question the way I would advise. Is You have to first of all ask yourself. Why are you desperate right now? So typically the reason people I'm business owners are desperate is because they don't have a solid lead generation system and prospect generation system. Why do I say lead our prospect? Because they're two different things elitist. Somebody who can be very cold doesn't much your product or service may or may not be interested whereas a prospect is somebody who knows a little bit about what you're doing there so money entrusted much to say and they're ready to hear a little bit more about what it is you do and so if you don't every day consistently have a way to have people coming into your business you're in trouble because you're going to ruin over prospects at some point as a result of that you're going to start become desperate. So what you gotta do. Is you a focus on three ways to grow your business and this is not my content is from Jay Abraham one of my favorite business thought leaders and he says and Soviet heard this before. But even if you have I would still say listen again because maybe you're not doing one of these steps right now and I ninety nine percent certain I could look at pretty much any business and they're not doing all three. So so what are the three steps? The only way to grow your business is step. One you get more customers are more leads more prospects. As the first way second as you increase the average transaction value of your products or services to charge more and the third ways you sell more often to your customers at and or by the way subscribers because they may not be customers yet now for most business owners they typically focus on just one of these so maybe for example they have some customers and are constantly creating new products and services trying to sell those people over and over again. So that's kind of like way three but then the problem is that they haven't been constantly adding new blood into their business way one so you have to have a balance of these three things. That's why our promotional system which we briefly described the so important because it make sure that we have all three of these bases covered. We're creating low ticket offers for people who have not bought something from us so that they can get a feel for how good or services are were have higher price coaching programs for people who want to go up the value chain and learn more and get more help. We have other services. Like freight's a like a freight company like our software services for the way three were selling more where existing customers so we're covered very well in this more constantly looking for ways to improve so if you're desperate the first thing I would I would look at is number one. Are you selling more to your current customers? Are you constantly just trying to find new people and I know the other side I would actually look at Your Business and say well? Are you only selling the customers? And you're not adding anybody into your business and almost always it's one or the other is the problem. Thank you so much for sharing. That sound. Stephen. I'm going to ask you this time to wrap up with your final thoughts You know just kind of breed home in terms of the promotional systems are not just for for revenue for impacted. Well IN SUMMARY. You must have a balance of value in your in your business providing video content or other content at to your tier subscribers to your to your customers at the same time you have to bounce with generating money because you can't survive in your business if you're only at providing free value all the time you've gotTa have a system is way to promote things so you gotta be looking at adding more people your business you happy looking at increasing their prices and you have to be looking at Additional products and services for your own customers if you can look at those three things Bill Ninety Day. Calendars where you're consistently adding each of those three areas into the calendar and you're really focused on ascending your customers and creating new customers at the other side. You will succeed massively where you're gonNA fail is when you don't have a system you're running around all over the place With no idea why you're creating content or while you're creating products and services at you don't have systems around your email. Have you emailed people help contact people but when you flip it on its head you system? Is this whole process. There's not limited to where you can go Such a wealth of information and Knowledge Base Ounce Steven Steven Summers. Thank you thank you so much. How might or community get in touch with you? Yes so you can do number things. I am on instagram. Stephen Jay sommers. That's Ph would stephen an S. O. N. E. R. S. marketplace superheroes DOT COM and he goes side-hustle heroes dot com either. Those are fine and we've Afri facebook groups side-hustle heroes so feel free to join chicken or a boat and if we can help you great and yeah just thanks so much today. Aol Hates my absolute pleasure. Rita is so I wish you the best on your on journey and it just that Continue to excellent not only in your business but to help others grow. There's as well so thank you so much. Thank you appreciate it and thank you my before an end to this episode with Steven Summers. I look forward to being with you next week. But of course in the meantime you make connects with me. You go to handle kiss. Sports DOT COM. There's an icon on the homepage. Lots of Akron. That comes to my phone. It's not going through any it's correct me and you get your response right ahead. Let me know your thoughts upon this art class. Let me know how have you been so let me know anything is on your mind regarding the entrepreneurial and the amazing this to every single week remember you were born to win but to be a winner? You must plan to win prepared to win and expect to win walk good.

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T5E7: El Yoga y los viajes, con Tami Zanetti

Podcast RadioViajera

52:03 min | 5 d ago

T5E7: El Yoga y los viajes, con Tami Zanetti

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Ep 133   Under the Covers with Molly Grantham

Charlotte Readers Podcast

37:26 min | 1 year ago

Ep 133 Under the Covers with Molly Grantham

"Support for Charlotte Readers podcast is provided by Park Road Books, the oldest and only independent bookstore in Charlotte and by Charlotte Mecklenburg Library a connector of readers leaders and learners with twenty locations and a twenty four hour online presence support is also provided by members like you, and for that, we offer our gratitude along with some awesome only content. You can find out more about these member benefits at Charlotte Raiders podcasts Dot Com. Welcome to this under the covers episode of Charlotte. Readers podcast for authors give voice to the written words. This is the Friday version of Charlotte Readers podcast where hosts land is Wade and his author guests get under the covers vets Roy we get in and out because they're just too many interesting books engaging authors in Region and not enough town and just like the longer version. Of The show, you'll learn interesting facts about the authors and their books and the authors will read their work and also the longer version. You will find images, links and information about the authors in the show notes at Charlotte Readers PODCAST DOT com. We are a proud member of the Queen City podcast network, a collection of Charlotte podcast produced in and centering around the Queen City. And also a proud member of authors on the air. Global? Radio. Network. Broadcasting Ratios podcast about authors to a worldwide audience. Homeland dissuade the producer and host of this podcast. I'm recovering trial lawyer. On. The author of a trilogy of books were lawyers say Christmas. Kind of a cross between my cousin, Vinny and miracle on thirty Fourth Street. And our rights stories and I love books dolls. I love beaches and mountains and fly fishing sports and reading and more. And also love getting under the covers. With my authors. Let's get to. Listeners welcome to this under the covers, the addition, a Charlotte Russe podcast I'm here today with the molly grant them and we're talking about her book that Juggle Israel off camera life of an on camera mom. This. Is a memoirs published in May Two thousand and twenty picks up her first more small victories left off and carries the reader through the ups and downs of life and death in the role of a very busy broadcaster and her family. Huffington Post says, this book Molly Grantham pissed as a mom and a fallible human being shot through every one of her pages in this compelling collection of parenting s molly welcome to the show. Thanks for. Gis Yeah. So congratulations on the book. Yeah. The. Second Book. and I, suppose congratulations also, we need to be said about. Tic Tac your tell people. It's my i. July. Mitchell I but he's pretty big already. So might be early. But yeah, we're all the way. When this episode releases and August, you'll have a family of five, right. Releasing. Be a complete, not exacerbate mass holding golden having the Canton wanting to. Know. So we're we're we're in that countdown phase now, right? So and. You're all about meeting deadlines molly do it in your Your work. Or you get broadcast book baby. Maybe that's the title for your next book you know. Brock, broadcast book baby but you a deadlines here. You had a deadline coming July with the with the baby. You've got a deadline to get this book out You're still own air dealing with the. Protests and things of that nature. So. Is the juggle even more real at the moment I think in general is real at the moment. That's very accurate thing to say, and you know you can't always plan everything. I certainly can't plan headlines or covid nineteen or protests and social justice issues in America but I can try and Flint's Best I can but lately spin zero. Zero ability to. Plan for anything I can't plan when they get the nursery done because I have a home studio from WBZ TV in my house, and so it's in an office and I'll be honest printer had to go to the room that would be the nursery. So the nursery spilled office crap I can't get that out of there to make nurseries up the baby comes I don't know where he's gotta go So this is not a lot of planning right now. I can see an entire chapter in your next book devoted to where we're going to put the baby. Diaper. Yeah. So I love about you real. Quickly your time Emmy Award winning journalist, you've been nine TV news reporter of the year for both Carolinas. One of Charlotte's top forty under forty I WANNA Makmur counties. Fifty most influential women you know stacked against a mom juggling all this stuff and. Out suspect that the MOM category probably takes more energy than some of these other things. And people who follow you. TV News know that you're the ACAR WD DVD's five thirty PM news and Solo anchor the. Show. But that's changed a little bit during the lead up to your. To your third child right. It's still the same still flying five thirty I'm just I'm at home because being pregnant I am high risk, and so for Covid nineteen obviously when your risk, there's some extra precautions you should take and BTV has been like most companies around the country been very, very cautious in keeping people out remote working and finding home solutions, and so one of the solutions was to get me out. And get plenty of our newsroom earlier on when there was more people, we've got thirteen live shows a day and they start in the afternoon three PM. So when you have four, pm five, thirty, six, seven, seven, thirty, you have or people. And so to get me out and have me in this home studio, the that Archie photographer set up an not technologically adept. So I just press on basically and. Fired up and then go buy thirty just from here while Jamie Bulls, in the studio, and then at eleven, there's only four or five of us now this little down to so few people. Out of risk and caution, and then I can go in there and feel safe in the station feels safe haven't either so I'm still lots. Of Home Studio by thirty, a TV studio. So you since arriving in Charlotte in two thousand three, you've covered everything from Gangsta terrorism to the fight to legalize cannabis oil, and now we're dealing with racial and social justice issues in protests and you know you've been involved in your community here as far as cancer goes because of how that diseases personally affected your your own family with your father mother. Succumbing to cancer some question how is writing? About your life. and. The life of your family helped you deal with that sort of broad range of difficult subjects. I think right instant something I like to do and it's my thing and some people like music or want to play the guitar or WanNa. Learn a different language. Some. People dislike getting in a truck driver with the windows down you know country roads I. I like to write and doesn't always say I don't always think what I write is good. I don't always want people to see it. I have plenty of things that never go anywhere D- endless documents center have written stories that end up nowhere. But for me, it just Kinda helps me stay sane it declares my mind and gives me a place to be. Just myself with a were documentary even just slips of paper I find when I have thoughts come in my head and I love reading I love that you have this podcast I love that just is sort of what speaks to me in different things to different people but that's what speaks to me. And your writing. These books about your family there memoir related could be parenting. We'll talk about that in two seconds, but you're also writing for your job I mean you're writing. Assume you. Are you're not Yeah Yeah. So, different different counteracting. Different kind writing although I. Feel like my personal writing has blend more into how TV writing is shorter at Staccato it's Descriptive in ways that you could. See it without having to have the visual, but having a visual would help look. I'm US pictures in this book because I am so used to using visuals I'm not a newspaper reporter I'm a television journalist, and so there's images that are attached to what I write. I'm doing a lot of editing every night of reporter scripts and just cutting cutting cutting things down to a time with deadline, and so when I ended up writing even when I have as many words, I want with as many pages as I wanted I ended it naturally happened over twenty. Years have been in TV journals and twenty some years twenty, five years I twenty five, maybe twenty. But Anyway, I ended up just sort of having that as a habit and it's not as beautiful literary prose that goes on endlessly. If is more right at you in your face and my writing has turned, my personal writing is turned more into TV writing I almost fear. Because I think they could. I would have room to be different in, yet you do what you know and everyday. I'm working eight to ten hours a day, and that's what I'm doing. So when you sit down to your own thing, just naturally sort of feel similar. At this. Interviewed journalist on the show who've written books and I do think there's a discipline there. The comes with your craft kind of like lawyers to I. Always talk about how need to learn not right like a lawyer, but at the same time. What you're doing, you're learning to be a direct you're learning to write and concise ways to get to the point although in literary fiction, they don't always get to avoid if we're going if we're going there but you do you do draw a lot from what you do and and so that kind of leads us right into the book itself. But before we get under the covers, I wanNA talk about the book cover. The Juggle Israel on the careers. You have your book there with you. Let's talk about the book cover they see it. They'll see it in the show notes, but they can't see it now. So tell us. What we're looking at particularly curious about. This image of your actually juggling some things. Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk about the things you're juggling because I think it speaks to the book itself. So and then there's a back story on this cover. And make you roll your eyes over on. The cover I'm standing there and I'm juggling stuff not deeply. Up in the air this juggling stuff. So one hand I have my forty five inch heels end up wearing every day, and in the other hand I have flip flops and then around me is a laptop with facebook pulled up. And then the I spoke small victories and then a pink ribbon and then. Above the Pinkerton is Lonnie my. Now five year old's favorite precious animal and the next to Lamy are pair pink winter earmuffs. And, the next better bunch of Legos, and then under that is a portrait of our of Fisher who passed away last June, he had to put him down. and. Then the the end meeting, my other hand, which was the flip flop, and then beneath me is parker my daughter holding onto our rambunctious new puppy. Who Sixty pounds and full of energy and the next to her is Hutch my son. With all his accessory season. In Spiderman on the back of Tattoo big work pass around his neck sitting in his ice cream truck that Santa brought. A year and a half ago now. Now, this is great because when I look at the cover having not read the book, I didn't pay close attention items that were in the air. But after I read, it started AC- but because you use facebook. To cattle write this book. And then you included. Responses from people on. facebook. I did I thought that was really important in the first book and I liked how felt so much non back to look at it that I did it in the second as well because it's you know it's my memoirs, my story but I I don't think it's about just me at all and When I put these things on facebook right about real life on facebook, the community has just really helped move me through I mean people that read them whether they agree with whatever I'm saying not isn't the point they're responding and you're hearing other people's stories. So it's Kinda like we're juggling. Different details, but living a similar relatable life and getting to connect with people through facebook has been a real joy truly, and so to keep some of the comments ones at disagree with me ones that agree some of the poignant lends some of the ones that have moved me through and helped me strangers through facebook helping me through tough times with kids or life. Felt right it felt right to include and make it more of a community effort. Are you ready to get under the covers? Hey listeners will be getting under the covers and just I I'd like to thank our episode spots or carry knows she's the two thousand fourteen. North Carolina Piedmont laureate for short fiction. Carries an award-winning writer of books and stories who also helps riders with their craft. Her latest gift to riders comes in the form of a book published by Al Canyon Press called a self guided workbook and gentle tour learning how to write stories from start to finish. I read it planned to read it again because I'm sure it will make me a better writer find out more about carry had to get her riding book at Cj. Work Dot Com C. J. A. W. R. K. dot com also if you'd like to support your favorite local independent bookstore and get audio books at the same time. You can join the LIBRO DOT FM that's L. The R.. Dot FM, and use the Promo Code Charlotte reader. That's all one word. From. Charlotte which is still charlotte. Raider to get this benefit when you use Promo Code, you'RE GONNA get. Two for the price of one, join it Labor's fourteen, ninety, nine monthly membership this great way to support your local independent bookstore and get a great audio books at the same time. So check it out. So we got this book it's called the juggle Israel the genre. I asked you about that for the show and you said, well, parenting our guests but then you also said. Could be classified as humor life and I guess my question is fair to say that. You're not really dispensing. Advice as much as you are being honest about your own experiences, maybe through that hoping that people will. Be Able. To. Relate. themselves. Oh, my gosh. The last name is apparent expert. I have zero advice about their. To get through each day about survival. So there is zero advice or platform I. Think we're anyone should ask me about how to Barrett. Agree with you fully there's no defense of advice it's. GonNa help us. And let's talk about the structure and the flow of the book because it is different in the sense that. You can pick it up and it's a quick read. You have pictures you have the facebook feedback from people assume you had to go get a bunch of permissions and actually didn't because my face of pages, a public site or Agency. Sunday only use first names and last initial. So I'm not identifying fully on people. Are So. If you're painting my page, you know it's public. and. So you draw that in you've got the pictures. You've got the chapters the text, but you're moving through chronologically your following your life. STARTING WITH You being in the hospital room with your mother when she's dying of cancer. and then. Ending the book. With the birth of your third child I was just curious. Berry. Surprise Announcement Holy Moly. US. Right. So I. Guess what I'm saying is if you look at those two. Extremes of that journey from the hospital room to the surprise. Surprise we're having our third baby. Have this two events and all the chapters in between. Affected your outlook on life. Loud having one because obviously being in the hospice house with mom affects my life in different ways than becoming a mom. So it is very full circle and I started writing the first book in the Hospice House with mom it's that one ended and so then it seemed a natural place for this one to begin there but it was going back a couple years and having you really didn even at a lot. I mean just. This book is not facebook posts. This book is the shell of it. The chronological order to help me remember what happened each month is from facebook and I went back as research but I've added an expanded and written much more as a book as opposed to facebook. So to dig back and remember MOM's death. And, those feelings of the hospice house and seeing her death through my own children's is was really difficult and then you know it's obviously something you don't plan on she had battled breast cancer. This was your second go round of this one was very, very fast. We've been given a time line ended up being only three weeks, which was far short of the timeline. So you don't plan on that life is full of surprises and then at the end of the book. Up Life's full of surprises again but it's a different type of surprise. It's obviously death versus life and. I think the theme of that is the surprise of it all, and you can't plan for everything which I actually address in the afterward. Because ended up. Announcing this book during covid nineteen. So no one plans for that. Raid and life is just a series of events that sometimes you know about and sometimes you just have to roll with. You actually push us back to the beginning of the book with the epigraph when you talk about that particular point I think the epigraph talks about there's no goddess of surprise but there should be none of us knows what's next right? You didn't know what the situation mother you didn't know with your. Child that will be born by the time this comes out. And we'll have a name of the TIC TAC preserve. Yeah. We know what to blame it originally didn't. So it was a non gender specific implied tiny. So I thought that's good wants to track. Okay. So you know memoir telling is a lot about truth telling and you were telling a lot of troops in this book Did you have to make some decisions about what traits you're going to include and which ones you're gonNA. Leave out or are you just naturally an open person an open book when it comes to Your Life? Naturally Open but at turned into more open since doing since having kids since starting writing about them, I didn't write about. Parker. WHO's now nine When she was born in fact, I pretended I basically never had a child ignored it and didn't want to be looked at differently. I still wanted to be this hard journalist that was a dog on a story and changing lives and had this baby and put out like maybe two pictures in the first year and a half of her life, and then with the second it was so I couldn't fool myself anymore. I couldn't ignore that Parker. I loved being a mom but I just didn't WanNa make that public but I I could still sort of cover up that I had this real life verses the TV public life. Journalism. Life. And so with the second child that all went went up in smoke and. Two babies you can't really gotta you gotTa dig in it and say, this is where I am and yes I can be a career woman but I can also love my kids fully holy and unconditionally, and I have to make some changes. That came through clearly in your book I mean what Parker didn't get in the early years he more than made up for the Juggle Real. She. She got a lot of attention in the jugglers real. Some great great photographs of both her and. Other think she's GonNa come back later and say how much you make me such troublemaker in this book you know. All the worry. Every but here, here's my first question there all these great pictures of you and your kids and everything but your husband, west he seems to have scraped. Pho- photography and much matching of Y'all got some kind of pack their that you're going to leave him alone. touched. Using an amazing husband he's a great dad. He's my rock he's everything but. He is just that's one of the things when he said, are you an open book I have turned into more of one, but it is made us both feel sort of just for security and safety and keeping something private. I'm pregnant on the news is big as a house. Everybody knows I'M GONNA HAVE BABIES OBSERVER CAME in? Each time a habit. And that's all I. Understand people no I have the kids that I am. Proud of them to the shelter mountaintops but. To keep something private, whatever that is everybody can make their own choices. Probably. But for me, it's him and mentioned him in certainly you know his name is West but it's not like and here he is, and here he is. He GonNa. Before we get to your reading here. I just want to a have to look at page two, seventy, six year with because I wrote three Christmas books about lawyers who saved Christmas and. You know when I saw this page I was just so intrigued because it's a I. think it's Parker's. Letter to Santa Claus. And three there's three things in their number one she starts off with a chromebook you gotta have a chromebook and then number two family puppy but here's the here's the catch. Just make sure it's life. Insurance play but my daughter is very specific. She does not Mississippi. Number. Three because the plot in my third Christmas book has to do with the Reindeer Hover Board and. Parker is asked here for a new hover board. So you know we got something in common. There you see. During parameters learn how to write that all around the house so. We are one of my book fly. So shift before that. So we got a low rating here from the book you're going to do it's it's out of a chapter where you're trying to balance think. Your life is a broadcaster with your life as a parent and you you miss out on some things you talk about in the book, and that is everything from a certain point of the day until later after school activities and things of that nature, right so here you're getting a chance maybe to do something a little different It's called cast dinner you want to just whenever you're ready start writing I will start reading. CAST dinner. The Juggle Israel that's not a TYPO I don't mean struggle it's a juggle period. There is no way to accurately describe the balls apparent keeps up in the air when they have a career and raise kids many of you understand it's a constant rotation of trying to catch one ball quickly deal with whatever that fall is then tossing it back up. So you've hand free to cash whatever balls next heading down. Some easy draft a few it's okay. You learn to accept you have to because the reality is you can't do it all you can try, but you'll never be able to hold all the balls at once. So you learn you adjust you switch back and forth you realize one day might be ninety five percent bill juggling balls at deal with family in life and only five percent job and the next day bill ninety percent with walls about your work, only ten percent with the rest of your life. So you pick one ball and given moments and the next day or week another one gets your attention. Some malls especially, if you work in odd shift like two PM to midnight, you leave on the ground permanently like for me the ball labeled parent involvement an after school activities. Through. All this you keep going, keep juggling and catching and tossing back to focus on the next thing coming you do this because that is the only way to keep the entire act in motion. And I love that in the background we can hear some activity from the kids. Know as perfect as perfect for this for this episode. Yeah. But this you describe and here something that It must give you Paul's at times, and maybe it's going to be harder as the kids get and they started being. Whatever. They may do in extracurricular activities whether it's sports or. Drama or where it could be any number of things and you might have to miss some of that. He thought about that. I have I haven't had a whole lot about it, and at this point my kids feel loved and they are completely aware night and I don't put them down at night. Their Dad does and we facetime from the news room every night and that's always nice. Yeah. So you know they are not deprived they don't feel deprived don't act deprived. They are very lucky blessed children and I feel very lucky blessed to have my job anthem. So you know if for some reason they started. Reacting differently and resentful and felt deprived, and I felt like I was missing out on too much enacted reassess it. But for now on at nine and five and almost a third. Were were being able to handle to two PM to midnight mommy shift. They need if they need to see all I could do is turn on the TV right? Well, sometimes I don't know much about the. Exact exactly. Well, at this particular age you did you talked about leaving the cast dinner and then going back to work in you had to figure out okay. How change how I get the Guacamole or whatever it was off my and now I gotta get back to the police officers on this as she got a lot going on as you're trying to parent. Much like US oppose any parents dealing with working day for you? You've got to be in front of the camera. Kudos to you for trying to to make that work. Life discussion do that? So, you said in the introduction to your book. The first book felt a little bit like a fluke. That you didn't feel like a real author. Why is that? I just didn't. Know Read, Beautiful Looks Life I love reading and when you read other people's words that you love and they feel so powerful zing personality and you. Admire. Writers authors so much that when you attempt your first book or maybe you still have this feeling on your tenth, I don't know you start to question yours and what will the? Judge and jury. Thank the reader. You know what is good enough to be published because you can write anything put it on facebook you can put it in a secret notebook. You can write in the journal, but to make it a bound book that somebody holds for me was just a real. I guess like a life moment but in the same breath I'm like, yeah. But it's about kids it's from facebook. It's about my life it's it's not a fiction novel with beautiful characters. It just felt different to me that I wasn't really an author and I have since been schooled in told no molly, you are very about two bucks and thoughtfully off by it was into mental challenge and it's easy to sort of self deprecating over that and to sort of brush off at least it was for me. Well, I. Don't think you're alone and that I think authors have a certain natural insecurity that goes along with writing. Is it going to be good for people going to like it But from what you know Seeing here in the introduction. You write for more than just that. You talk about Wirtz having way where it's having power and thank you said here a right because it makes me feel full. And Happy It's shows. How much of that, you get to do on a daily basis juggling all these other things right alive since I love to write about. Talking about the happy part. Well. I. Even though honestly I'll be honest is just writing even about her tests or covid nineteen or creating. something that is informational still writing, it's still putting things together. In a puzzle that the way I have to rate. Is Less for either way I have to work for me and more for public consumption and how does it help people understand what's going on in our? We're older our community, but it still writing it's still sort of figuring out how to phrase things in a certain way. And certainly be fair and and not politicized and how you're freezing things for the news but it's still finding the right words and writing and I enjoy that I always enjoy the things that I have to write about. And you told me that Writing. A part of your job that. You know maybe all your words aren't saying they're edited their cut out maybe not necessarily good but there's more than I. Think you describe the perfect Senate she. So you're like an addict and need of a hit at moments for your writing and that's great. Sometimes, if I don't rate wildest makes me feel jumpy and that SORTA. Kanzi. Yard writer Molly I read your book. It was it was well done. Only are well written, but you had to put a lot of fall in Tampa. Design, this book instruction this book 'cause you got a lot of photos. You got a lot of responses from people there must have been a lot of work just in that Porta putting this together. And I appreciate that a lot. I Have Diana Wade is a graphic designer in Charlotte and. Is a great editor in Charlotte and copy editor. My Myers Charlotte women who have their own small businesses. In the kids? Is Real. But we. Know. I think the number one thing for anybody in any business, it's trying to do anything is realized or not the best and hire people and ask people advice to are. Okay unless we had a little break here, molly was going to juggle some children there for a minute. And we're. Working. Glory. Yeah. Exactly so What I was Gonna ask her about. What she thought about this You, know as being keepsake for down the road for your children. is going to be the kind of thing he pull out of their weddings. Hey, look at this picture here. You just hope they're going to have a memory maybe that You can forget these things right arm, our minds cloud over, and if you don't write it down. It goes out million percent. I'm doing this that it's like a scrapbook. Basically in a real book, it's a little bit more elaborate Ave scrapbook. However I don't know if the go pull it out with their wedding it's it's not like Oh look at this one funny picture that public for everybody it's more like remember all these stories because I promise you I don't remember them. Until. I go back and read them when I look at facebook what was month thirty one or what was month thirty six or what happened when they were for I don't have any recollection it's like I have 'em Nesia parenting brings about Amnesia and so when I go back and look at it then it's awesome because then it jogs your memory and I think they'll be able to hold in some way their whole childhood in their lives decades from now. Yeah. Thank you know there are a lot of bad things about covid nineteen. Some of the things slowing down going through old scrapbooks organizing pictures people can look back on their lives and see some things that you know they. They may be forgotten speaking of pictures. There's a picture on page two, ninety four we're about to wrap this up here This is when the surprise announcement I think was made to the children about tic TAC. And when they get your book, they've got to ninety four because the look on Parker's facing the way your hand is covering her mouth. It's like, Oh, my gosh. How? Funny. Again sheets. Or daughter She's the oldest. Is Me and when in yourself and a child, the good and the Bat. She is expressive and you know what? She's thinking all over her face. Before she says a word and sometimes that's expressed in photos with my job on camera. I had to hide that and trained myself not to always express what I think or feel obviously just by looking at me but she's nine she's in third grade. She doesn't have any sort of training by that notion sheets just to she is. and. So I look at her sometimes and she is exactly show it later face what I think and feel when I found out I was pregnant. That is exactly black belt, but it's all over her face. Think I know what they're looking at but tell me what are they holding in their hands and Sonogram And so hutches like yeah. But here's. Here's my question. Did you have the same look on your face that Parker has on hers when you found out the news Yeah. But then you tell her she reflects me something beautiful and their too. Okay. So I know what you think about what's coming next and how you don't know what the world is holding for what's next but We know that What's next is is child you have any thoughts on. Maybe, what you're going to be doing next in the writing world are you going to write another book someday? L. I hope. So if nothing else to. The last three words in this book are to be continued and. Leave it hanging where I'm pregnant you know it's a little boy but then there's no stories about him with not be fair to him. I mean, how long would the series go who knows and there's no time right now on life has you're juggling these things to right maybe some of the things I still have in my head fiction and other things but I have so many stories happening in front of my face in real life all the time that I don't need to create stories right now because the real life of it all. Pretty entertaining. So I would hope to write another book with this one I certainly can't say for sure I would and I. Don't want to commit to endless stories still there you know fifty years old but i. I would hope that there'd be more writing in some form or fashion in the future. Also say to your good writer. You can branch out do smoke things maybe some fiction like you said but or not fiction or whatever. You got a lot of get plotlines that you put on TV every every night that are true in real, right so. I'll let you get back to juggling. You get some patient well. We'll call them patient for the moment. Right children in the next room, right so Yeah. Thanks so much for being on Charlotte Russe podcast. Atlanta's your podcast is great. Thank you. Well. That's it. For today, another found author giving voice to the words. 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Alejo Rodriguez of Exodus Transitional Community

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Alejo Rodriguez of Exodus Transitional Community

"For example. Rabbi classrooms thirty people. If one or two students failed to gotta get left back well, they didn't get it. It happens right. If. Five. People fail that steps noticeable. Of Sixty six percent of thirty people in the class veil the question now. What does the teacher? was. Doing. What is the institution doing? You're listening to works of justice the podcast by pen America. And the Cuny Law Review Article. V of Sphere Legacy Mass Incarceration Parole Board abuses of people serving parole eligible licenses Alejo. Rodriguez reported that a study of thousands of Pearl decisions from the past several years, found that fewer than one in six black or Hispanic men was released at his first hearing, compared with one in four eight none. This massive disparity was found among people serving parole eligible sentences for small time property crimes. If Perot eligible individuals convicted of a violent offense, there was a ninety percent denial rate across the board. This report helped to expose systemic racial discrimination and parole decisions as well as the parole board's blatant discriminatory practices against people accused of violent felonies, an issue that away Rodriguez this week's guest on temperature. Check works to change. Community lays on and assistant program developer for Exodus transitional community away. Rodriguez works with individuals who are in re entry transition in East Harlem and beyond. He commits to helping people reclaim the humanity denied by the justice systems discrimination by way of many different roles as a public speaker, a published poet and events, organizer, teaching artists and screenwriter before working at Exodus Alejo served as the mentor and Alumni Coordinator for the prisoner reentry institutes. College initiative at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He's also an executive board member of both the parole preparation project and network support services. Away holds a masters of professional city is from new. York, theological, seminary and Bachelor of Liberal Arts degree from Syracuse. University. I, Nicholas Natoli Pen America's prison injustice rating program had the opportunity to ask who, about parole reentry in Cova in this week's episode of temperature check cove nineteen behind bars. Highly, how thank you for joining us today? Hi, how you doing how you doing lead lead to be here I was just wondering. If before we begin if you could tell us a little bit about yourself, and how your experiences have shaped the work that you do at Exodus transitional community. Okay so My Name's is Rodriguez. Current need the arts and civic engagement coordinator Exodus Transitional Community which is a reentry provider individuals coming home via rikers island upstate New York authors provide general services for individuals who had contactable justice system. our founder actually time and went to we actually himself in in the mid to late nineties, and was really rule to build that it could be done a different way or have a different approach to strategy was come from people were directly impacted themselves so today staffers approaching fifty people I think ninety percent of these overstaffed is former impacted. By consistent in one way or the other and or family members indirectly. including myself, and so I came home in two thousand seventeen after seven thirty two years in prison for felony murder charge. Was denied parole. Actually had eighteen year to life sentence, and I was battling Karol for or boxing fourteen years. During that time prior to even make my parole board ahead taken advantage while college is still available prisons. Ended up. Coming in there as pretty much unskilled high-school graduate right came to prison in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, by by nineteen by two, thousand, three, hundred, quite a masters degree from new. York theological seminary had been published by pen, America in work of. Doing time twenty five years of pen prison writing awards. Won, several other awards, since then as well as in for my homes. In other words, I most recently got Kobe's last year for article called the obscure legacy of mass incarceration. Really Been. Trying to be a part of this work utilize my own personal experience would also learning from it to as well and trying to help cushion needle to create more justice and equity in the systems that tend to not really hear the voices of the people every actually in my opinion help to cook catchweight. The concern is public safety. Try to move away from criminality that the direct. Discrimination indirect not with a hearing. People with a concerns doesn't really dizzy. Indirect discrimination up. The discrimination is very that right what? knock hearing. People in an institutional discrimination actually perpetuates in my opinion criminality and causes people to or can. Cause people to act or the ways then. We would want inside. I, actually had a question stemming from the piece that you just alluded to in your piece. You show beautifully how much you grew unchanged while incarcerated and yet you're continuously denied parole based on your conviction and your experience unfortunately isn't an uncommon one. I was particularly struck by the sentence near State Board of Paroles Disproportionate denial rates of parole against people convicted of violent offenses has less to do with public safety more to do with the federal financial incentives offered to states to hold people convicted violent. In prison longer. Could you talk about how this? Favoring of people with nonviolent charges is playing out during the pandemic than what we should be paying attention to in terms of the motivations for who is released and under what conditions. Sure will. A blue background in that statement that I've made in Mooney tube was in nineteen ninety-five without for couldn't sign the Crime Bill Ninety four ninety five get past. There was also the suggestions to keep. People were bombing scummy offenses in long the violent offender initiative truth in sentencing act. And stage will actually get paid to keep people in committed violence in prison longer to think about it is. It wasn't a ritual active bill. was intended for at that point there. Right the way it's written from that point there, we would have a treatment sensing a lot of determining sentences. But would states were doing as I shown in a paper? Especially, states like New York they were actually ordered to justify the need of receiving federal fundings because part of the bill that President Clinton had signed there was a five year evaluation of states in how they would pretty much adhering to the new incentives, and they get funding. They can raise their funds from the Fed. During his five years, and they didn't have suspended overton five years. I this was always going to be the folks and so New York state ended up funding or say padding their numbers by the nine people retroactively, who was not a part of that ball, so there was specific target against individuals who committed rounded shovel senses. The irony of it is in this is not an excuse trying to justify or minimize the significance the impact of violent offenses. However when we look at individuals or offenses that have a propensity to return back to prison for the same offence, people committed murder have the lowest recidivism life wise people in general who have committed some kind of had lowest recidivism so there was close attention to that in anything yet at the same. Get my thoughts together on this. At the same time we have a national recidivism rate over sixty six percent. Sixty six to seventy percent depending what we rapper Nash six percents, so if people committed murder has mostly citizen gate, who's a reciprocating most? And it's the individuals committed nine ballot fences. So here it is, there was an intention albertine to keep people in prison longer, but the people that were leading out with the people would actually perpetuating more offensive in st now. To across the board. This is not to say. Violent vendors are better non bond. I think it was a cost order failure because for example. Rabbit classrooms thirty people. In School Teaching Day, if one or two students failed. They've gotta get left back well. They didn't get it. It happens right. In Five people veil. That's that's notable. What have sixty six percent of thirty people in the class fail the question now. What does the teacher? Was the curriculum doing. What is the institution doing wrong. So they begin to these individuals who have a higher propensity to return back at. reconvicted like they never really did the work with them to begin with while the individuals who are in their longer. They tension. Some people will call it age out of crime. Be a lot more remorse food about what they've done. With got an inch frizette and taking release. Jog Initiatives to change that. And a thing like I said the recidivism rates lowers I think it's about seven percent and when you talk about for example, someone who's been involved in a life was taken. People who have been convicted of murder have MS likelihood to re commit murder again like. If they do offended babies like with drug use and would not be murder again. I mean the likelihood of that is so minimal and yet stage was able to keep people in longer. Had their. Books get funding for it. While letting other individuals go who they not out of be prepared. So the individual benefited from the early release would individuals didn't have tools for success to begin. How is that related today accident question? What's happening now is individual imprisonment. The longest are individuals who most vulnerable more likely had committed some form of Bob. And will not have that opportunity. They fit in the category because they were in the longest at age ranges, is Aubrey Higher and considering the most vulnerable. Individuals have been in longer. They safe after person gets to be about. Their the sixty years old is is as if the aging tends to accelerate. So a fifty Firoz physical hells could be equivalent to assess euro. To the individual, really most in need of attention or consideration for release are being overlooked based on their crime and as if. The virus hasn't applied to them. As if you know only because the president has a non-defense that they are better suited to be releasing, the virus would not have the same kind of impact that you're the only one Russian say that that. They're the only ones worth saving. Does, essentially what they're saying that only people would not. It's still I get the concerns. And this is not to minimize once again. Especially people and family members. They feel they've been a victim. Of around since, but we still have to grapple with this issue. Something that's been sticking out to me. Is like talking about the release of people cooked and convicted on nonviolent offenses and are vulnerable, is like the overlooking of people who have been convicted on violent offenses or vulnerable, but it's like this kind of. Language suggests that there can't be vulnerable, which is really geeky womanizing? So I wanted to switch over to some of the work. That exodus is doing right now. As part of a temporary solution to address the heightened vulnerability of people who are being released from rikers, island exodus has been working with the mayor's office to provide hotels is a form of housing, which is a gigantic task while you're not directly involved in providing support to people coming home to life in a repurpose hotel I was hoping you could share some of the insights of the exodus staff doing this work. So of course is pandemic came out literally wear out of Thin Air I. It is not something that anyone was really prepared for. And to my understanding, so people from? J., the mayor's office criminal justice was a part of initiating. Wasn't as over, and they released a number of individuals who were soon to be released over being detained and waiting or some type of judge. Sodas a specific category. There was some individuals there who they were there for Technical Karol violation. They weren't able to make their point had a change of address. It didn't copy inform parole officer at the time. So they were sent into the violative will was told to do sixty days ninety days, whatever and their time I got cut down, so these individuals got release, however would not dealing with all the individuals that will release duty circumstances high merrily. What we find is the individuals who were providing housing for our individuals who were diagnosis of Oslo or or have been exposed to cover, so we also managing individuals who are isolation? Some people were exposed still Michelson. Base if they had exposure. They need to be isolated, so we have rooms that were managing them. We also have several looms provided to CEO's confession officers who had been exposed so they could have opportunity be. Fourteen days in this situation. The MAJORI individuals, though that we are serving sides, those two areas that mentioned. Individuals who primarily were always before they even when they have no other place to have more baseball. And, so we started out with approximately I think seventy people may be near hundred, currently serving a little over twenty people in two different hotels. And this is just are merely serving individuals from Manhattan all the different boroughs. IT NEEDS TO BE A. Well another individual with mental health issues at the majority of the individual, always as for mental health insurance, so having access to medications is very critical and yet they were released without having access to a pharmacy. To get different health mid, so part of our role is manage their needs while they're in a hotel because the hotels still operating, and so it is not for hotel managers that manage the knees of the individuals dealing with re entry. We've taken on that specific tasks. We also have relationship. The State Almere city actually hired security firm. That's their if anything else. Hotel feels that someone's there to be in control. Because we re entry, organization is not going to do the thing. We think human I right? We thinking managing I people I not policing verse, and this is not a slight against policemen data job so with that we've also receive a number of donations close primarily, who'd mask cosmetics undergarments for men and women? We also helped to manage the distribution of those rushing them out. especially the cosmetics things so people. They just coming home have no money to make sure that they are still happens basic needs. Met We take individuals to? meds in some individuals had went ed, and they were all in a Methadone program, and so none of the programs currently shutdown because Kobe does not allow inpatient programs at best, and so we've helped to navigate where individuals can't find the kind of treatment uneasily cheating the program. I also had a question regarding. Exoduses Entry Wilderness Program, which is a program, not provide support to formerly incarcerated people during the job application process I was wondering how the services that are part of that program are currently being provided and during up time. That's hard for anyone to get a job. What are the additional barriers to? Justice involved individuals receiving job offers. Yes Oh, okay, so a little background with the reason why the Wilderness so name his exit right, and is drawn from the story exodus of the Biblical story, the idea of making the transition from bondage into freedom, and in following that same narrative. There's this time period in which the people was wandering in the wilderness in order to find land in this case with A. A carve out for themselves. The thinking is that the transition of yesterday is similar to that simply coming home and providing individuals with a job opportunity housing like these things are essential, but a person can actually see in our experience. Of course it can actually be allied with those services and still feel aliens do not thought by they arrived or the mad or be. Transitioned or reintegrated into Sun, they can still isolated, so we kinda like speak to that moment where there's his transition that you're working towards your services again took tain your success in your reintegration. That area reentry is similar to You're still trying to find your way. And when people, this is not just people who prison where people kind of feeling out of place kind of find their way, they're probably most vulnerable to making bad decisions by I like to quit sometimes from the feeling I have going to junior high school to high school I was the big man in the junior. High School is one of the nobody. And then you do, the same thing is college. College should in now society. You gotTa make money. You gotTA. Pay Bills in. You're stepping on your parents house like Hell I. Don't I don't know what I'm doing. Right somebody directly so that and it showed it s why people ally type brain is still developing at twenty five right because it's processing. That was sidelined space, but the Ryoji process is like that you know, so. We called the Wilderness and provide resources. They placed a strain because coated because social distancing. We don't want to expose anybody. We might as known disappeared or carriers are the. So is this big scare? It affects people differently and is no telly. In is no guarantee how the next person's going to be affective, so there was a big scare infected a classroom size. Some, individuals with coming to group on average out, say ten to fifteen people every week some weeks. It might die down. Say Seven. On average, but ten to fifteen, and we had to actually space those out order to adhere to social distancing. Even though now we have a very large room that can help support that we've also had moments where some facilitators held part of the practices or Sunday trading retrain individuals do it resumes on example like some of the. Things that can be done paperwork. Wise is doing online now we will give us face because if some individuals may not even know how to J. Technology, so we will give a space for them also have computers. They could work on it together via social distancing. Another thing that I learned because we also have a wellness project, a wellness project is our chemical dependency treatment program is an outpatient so in order to once again adhere to social distancing. Some of the thoughts were mating can have a half the group in class and half outclass remotely and. The participants they really appreciate going. They've really wanted to be able to be present inside. Especially when social distancing is pretty much targeted to another is elation in everybody's house and Suckley. Don't have regular house unit there in arena, shelter or halfway house. They kicked out by at least a third of the day two thirds the day. They have to be outed Only come there to sleep so coming to exodus in many respects refuge for many individuals, because we also provide of breakfast humble graph in the morning, people come. Also by a humble lunch. Enough to make people have some Tristesse. They ought to worry about where on. So we've created a shelter you coaches was not just your here. Taking a program which are here and you're of a community. It's a struggle currently to my understanding where the only. Organization Open Pan. Of not spite are my trying to say were better than anybody. Because some people have taken other auctions, doing things remotely so does not trying to any other organizations. We all work together. Own Way got a very good networking with the appreciate their work, but our doors have been opened. I was just thinking about what you were saying with like writing resumes doing cover letters, and how that's something that you do usually on the computer because there's a lot of coverage in New York state about how Pearl check. Ends have been moved online over the phone for the time. Being and we know that prisons are often technology desert's and after serving. Serving long sentences, those returning home can find it difficult in adapting to the pace i. wish acknowledges she on the outside has moved. Is this technology gab creating additional vulnerabilities for people who might be struggling with online role check-ins like for example? Are you seeing technical violations like missing an appointment because of issues with technology, leading to rearrest or other punitive responses? I myself haven't now think. Anything, that we've occurred so far, no, even with parole. This whole thing with Kobe branding so different parole officer, different strategies and people have different type of parole commitments. Not Everybody has the same exact whoa commitment. When I come home, some people might be seen every thirty days. Something might be two weeks depending upon your fans, your sense of accountability, all these things play a part. At the same time for everybody is idea of dealing with pandemic has become scary. So parole officers. You know there people, too. You know and still I'm sure they kind of figure out. Systems in Wade serve as they say way and keep the public safe right, their own individual safety in terms of the virus meaning exposing bike wise, you know keeping the public safe part of their job. So you know I'm not gonNA. Say that they've been lenient, but it's clear that a number of institutions because pandemic has been willing to make adjustments in how they do the work as they try to find a way to navigate to this. Asser wanted to talk about that. Euro Executive Board Member of the Parole Preparation Project I was hoping you could share a bit of context about that project. In how covid nineteen poses particular challenges, like has the lack of volunteer face to face. Support affected Pearl Opportunities At this moment. So the Parole Prep Project started out twenty thirteen, and the concept was to help provide Karol preparation support for individuals who has served long-term term sentences individuals who have been disconnected from society, but most was really in need of having some type of social support or connection to support their knowledge court they released. Is what the transition? To get acclimated graduate to society, and so, what's appropriate project does is pretty much put together. What is not a parole portfolio pro packet? The pro packet contains a compile relation of letters of support outline of a person's accomplishments, whatever certificates they may have gathered while they will cost related at these documents. The individual has every right to submit which corrections counselor so that their file to show this consistency. From my experiences, though a lot of times won't be shared with the crushes, officer is put all in one folder, and is not necessarily delineated as the different subjects that might be required in other words. You can have a letter. Support a one page. That support right next to certificate right next to is a hostage, so the portfolio. The purposes portfolio is to make an interview friendly, so they WANNA know place to save. They know exactly where to go is. Your job proposals Israel all data as explained. So San. Antonio! And then the beauty about the project is it operates with their volunteers. The volunteers who go to facilities and they actually visit guys who the clients would be men and women in helping them to prepare at least a sit down and starts. Get to know the person, so it's not just a quantitative presentation of here's your parole packet done. They actually gifted, not person oval course. We like to make it about the cost of a two year process because the very same. Same Volunteer. They too are going to do a issue veterinary letter in two folio, and they can speak to course they met so that's the premise in my understanding. Right now we have over four hundred volunteers, and usually volunteers will go in groups of two to three cents to meet one kind, and of course social distancing institutions being shut down. That has been lemonade so lot of this any. been happening is happening over the phone or via letter, and we're just trying to make the adjustments, but it's nothing replacing face to face conversations. But the work is still happen. That we do. We've been very fortunate to be able to get donations to help. Many innovation prison, struggling finances to get cosmetic sometimes to get other nutritious options for commerce city besides what they're serving the mess hall. And, so we're getting donations will be able to send to our clients sometimes full packages of thirty five pounds a month. We would also send them some money at. Anywhere between twenty five to fifty hours, depending upon the situation to help individuals, you know easier by someone's. There cares you're supported. You belong so many of these things are so critical is the unwritten. But yet concrete aspects of making the transition as necessary that sense of belonging, says it fully committed, and that you have support the seven network, the just general socialization retentive minimize the value of this and we just want to quantify everything all you've got this program done got this that. Sometimes just those programs result is not sufficient. Cleaning the lens out from your perspective. What do you think the most important aspects of the pandemic are as it relates to re entry? Plow, s a huge question because I'm hearing that some men are visiting. There's some facilities. Really consistent, awesome of facilities have operating. They've been operating under the owner. Soy and some facilities are provided with Mass Somare. Some people are getting mass just when they go home. Some people in some facilities. If one person in the dorm is exposed, the whole dorm is locked in together now and so it's really difficult, because we don't know we can easily say was just let everybody out love for that. Right. But what would that look like? Do we have a place for them to go other questions that go along with that, but in terms of dealing specifically the entry, the idea of giving individuals may be say quarantine we tweets before their release white, offering them not so much isolation were there like in special housing unit away from everybody, but a place where they can begin to process that transition before they left, provide them with support upon their lease. Establishing cups for individuals is some people being released or we've upstate New, York and you just totally get on the bus and for eight. Outright, that's it. Typically individuals is supposed to get forty dollars or bus ticket. If they save anything that's great. They have gatemen. So the minimum forty dollars in anything else is something that you say to Tucker. Nation was made in Nineteen, seventy seven. So out of nineteen seventy seven wikileak's badge. Good heat well, right? That forty dollars. Maybe worth now is today, and this is what they're being offered their bus ticket. To a world stealing social distancing. Dealing with his pandemic, like where's The coaching become? One of the things that really I didn't realize with myself, but we first started with social distancing as apple peels, appeared at a black man in this country. I had difficulty pulling mask on. Because for me putting basketball invitation for police say what you do right to be viewed as a suspect. And this in cases of balancing, that's not nothing on TV, having a mask on in store and security following him wherever he went young Batman. Else newstalk. Only trying to hear yourself, you distances. So I was triggered. All those feelings what it was like to have to walk down, you know in a prison yard of the prison guards. You could against the wall. Just because I had this mask. And, something had vigils when bringing compensation that way. A lot of that would be like. Should. I felt that way jotted. Know that feeling was, but you'll right. They had to get over it, but they acknowledge that that elitist did exist. What is someone just came home. I've been home now. Be Busted in home years I got a sense of what it is to walk through the streets and shows accountability and show where my intentions are. Do my work. What are the prestigious Komo? Ready feels like no one knows it. No one knows he had mass. So coach desk be critical breaking point for anybody. But I am saying that is worth of investigated just checking in with people about these things about social distancing. Those kinds of things that has impacted reedited. No one's really had the time you at best. Best. One even headed tied to synthesizers nuances. Yeah I'm just thinking about what you're saying. You know wearing a mask and doing something that's like within everyone's collective safety, but then still like having people be suspicious of you. It's awful. This originally broke and it gets perpetuated communities as well is not something just starting in prison right? I've been experiencing this as a youth and so putting on a Basque inside just brings a lot of all that up. As one of the the Robin questions for our interview, I was wondering for those who have some time or money to support reentry services or are interested in getting involved in advocacy. What are some recommendations you have? Is just as valuable as is money idea? Building community working towards daily community right now is probably wondered critical investment that can made. Noble, also not know dealing with the Kobe via spoke about this over also amid a number of rice, taking place in the country, and and clearly is not something that money convicts right. There's a significant aspect of equitable like financial equity that needs to be addressed. There's no doubt about that, but this idea of community building. Forming alliances, you know one of the things I've always said. When I was in prison I realized that when I to the badge. My college education realize that more than degrades itself is something that was happening within. The class is a socialization was happening in classroom, a sense of accountability and I had the opportunity to carve out for myself by being on time with my papers by assery questions, right assignments like I, had ownership, and I carved out your relationship with my teacher, and then it translated relatable peers. We also begin to know how to process Catholic. Would I always have to say you know, get away from my talking to you right or get into a fight? We begin to process conflict with the shared intention that we're trying to get better. I think that's socialization is just as critical as education especially for those president the grades. Degree itself. Session we're talking about why supported individuals successful reentry into reintegration and security inside society so I think the same thing applies here you know now in this time of arrest people become won't mainly because of social distancing for so long and same thing that has transpired is like enough enough to. There's so much. And we know it's all stemming from the recent murders from George Floyd and other cities named Brianna from Kentucky I, forget a lasting now Taylor. Detailed, so we know the recent ORC as come from, but it's been the same treatment. Sometimes, it's really blatant. Most haunted very benign, very subtle, that creates more hostility agreement nine hostility I think now it's just become crystallize because of covid and people vote and one of the things that really could help is just tasted title initiative building community. Get into no across races. Each other or classes get to know how to have conflict with some. Would I happen to hate them right? These things I'm not promoted. I'll let mony net. In my family, we argue. We argue, but I'm not gonNA let nobody arguing street. Nobody's GonNa be a beautiful sister, because I'm mad at her type thing right so doing community investing time you know our doors at exit transitional community when East Harlem Third Avenue Between Hundred, twenty, eight hundred and Fourth Street. You're more willing to come in if you have specific tools, skills wall job issuing if you want to financing class a literacy class. Always! Try to find ways to get the community involved. You can always get contact with me the first episode www dot, e., t., C., N., Y. Dot, or check us out. That age speaks about doing hotels. Or to contact me on my email, a Rodriguez and each. Each E. C. N. Y.. Dot Org but interview are not in the area. A exodus might be in other parts of the outer boroughs will win connected with a lot of other networks movement. And if people want to get involved in bill community and they want to wear living at at nats. We promote. Do it where you're living at that. We can connect you. I'll be more than glad to a to. Method that would be my job. To Connecticut so if people want to get involved, reach out when his great. Right Great, we take funds. All that donations will give your time to just as. Yeah I completely agree before we wrap up. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Other our religious appreciate his time. Not One of the. Thank you America for together. End User Director always supported. What is she doing? been there always accorded Panamericana people side, and it's really about helping America's very good utilizing literary stretch to build a gap, and I like to say even to right through the walls by use actually say. Like my pen was a sledgehammer to kind of break my way out the walls, but literally that literacy and literary works. Is always made themselves available and I would love to continue to work with them and finding ways in which we can reach inside and connect with the people realizing the tools of today's. Technology engagement whatever would love to have that kind of calm safe to? Use the tools today to create a new form of engaging. Thank you so much for talking to me today, and for all your insights in your time. It was a great end of the really fishy. It ain't going. To me that law. You can relate whose article the obscure legacy of Mass Incarceration Parole Board abuses of people serving pro eligible licenses on the cuny. Law Reviews website or on exodus. Transitional Communities website under latest news stories. Want XS. Be sure to check out their ways to help page which includes sponsorships, partnerships, volunteer opportunities item donations. Similarly the parole preparation project is accepting volunteer applications for their October twenty twenty training for those in the New York metropolitan area. More volunteer. Opportunities can be found in this issue. Advocacy action in resources roundup. Episode researched hosted, produced and mixed by myself, nicolette tally. I received generous edits to my questions from Penn America's prison injustice writing program director cates Meisner an audio editing guidance from Penn America's prison justice. Writing Program Manager Robert pollock Prison Justice Training Program. broke. Van wrote the introduction for this episode. Thank you for listening.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 3

"Dave one of super weak in the rear view mirror opening night in the rear view mirror here day to super weak. It's Super Bowl fifty three. And I'm excited I'm excited because the Rams are in it. I want the Rams to win. I'm invested in it as a fan. I'm invested in emotionally. But I'm pumped that we're here in Atlanta. And the city is hard on Monday night. There was a million people around last night. I was expecting to be kind of out and about and seeing what's going on. But I mean, there was you had to wait to cross the street in the throng of people. It was packed. I think it's a lot of the locals people that live here. Right. Plus a lot of the the corporate people are people that got to be here early like myself, and you and then you'll start to see the fan base start to trickle in as the week continues the goal on Tuesday Wednesday. They'll start to really get thick on Thursday Friday, and before you know, it it'll be Super Bowl Sunday. So they did the opening night in an arena last night. And they let the fans in to see it and kind of watch it and they did a shout outs everybody here. That's a Rams fan. Make some noise everybody here. That's a patriots fan make some noise. And there were more patriot. Fans than Rams fans. But I'm going to be honest. I thought especially on a Monday night early in the week when they shouted out. The Rams fans there might be two or three people in the back in that place went off. There were a ton of Rams fans in the building. I didn't think the patriots would travel. Well, I didn't think the fan base. So they've been here so many times. Yeah. You seen this movie over and over and over again with the Rams hadn't been here. LA Rams obviously hadn't been to the Super Bowl since I believe seventy nine right? Not the Saint Louis ramps owes a different I think it's just a different field. But clearly ram fans are in full support. You know, those those planes coming from L A Atlanta OB be completely packed between now and Super Bowl Sunday. And it'll be fun to be able to see ram fans in attendance, especially coming to know moss. Cantina joining us absolute keeping keeping mind to that. This is at Lanta and while they may not necessarily be whole-hearted Rams fans. We beat the saints to rival. So we got a lot of you. Go fans captured you're gonna grab those and the other part is is that in less. You're a patriot fan. You not rooting for the patriots. If you are a free agent fan at this point if your team got eliminated right up until now, and you're just looking to get emotionally connected to the Super Bowl. You're going to go with the Rams because can't root for the evil empire. Consumer year. We are America week for at least for a week. What else people have written for miam- uncle due to do in the morning? Yes. Simple cockatoos. Even in Atlanta. So yes, that is correct. And you talk about being in Atlanta talk about drink and doing all those things rods. This will be right up your alley. Okay. Former running back Clinton Portis has mentioned and talked about taking shots of hinny Hennessy. Just for those that don't know look at me with that girl. I call her cooking. My Travis right now. Sweet tea I have had my share of faking shot between you to manage the pain as well as to turn up to get excited about the game. And I was telling around I said look at the end of the day. I've seen a lot of guys a lot of things as a professional before games before the meetings at night, you know, at halftime to turn up to make themselves. Feel good. I've witnessed it. I've been roommates guys would smoke weed the night before the games, the relaxed their mind do all sorts of things, but he said that the shot managed the pain of him playing, but also unshod Lassie. While we says one shows one shot. I'm sure it could have been a nice bottle ESPN, Los Angeles. You probably say function, you know, playing football filling a certain type of way, it could be nerves out the dancing with the stars gotta handy, man. I had a shot at about five shots tequila. Dan, stike it. What you dance like. So I didn't have social media like that. So therefore, I lost the Bill ninety one hundred percent. Yeah. Did you know so? When I gave one hundred percent I wasn't going to win because I didn't have the families. But anyway, you shake your hips a little bit more. I think you left some of you could hips. Could go by with Intech. It's you in Atlanta. At the end of the day. I think we talk about a guy like Clinton Portis in the situations in filling a certain way when you plan the game. I think a lot of guys go through that. Whether it's for nervous reasons. Pain tolerance, whatever the case may be. In, you know, this to me is almost like vetted in the opiates as far as I look at it. I mean, well, look if we really want to get into the thing that's probably best for this. It's not alcohol. It's not the Oakland. Those. Yes. Far as a pain management as far as something? That's not addictive as far as all the things that as a society all the things that we're talking about this is the one it's just that the NFL is we see all over the country, more and more states legalizing it for recreational use the NFL will be the very last place. The great Joe Montana's made right Bester right then in a distribution center. Yeah. NFL it's waiting for the crowd of the federal government to make legal. Yeah. And then the floodgates will be open. They're not gonna get ahead of that. The NBA will be much more willing to get ahead of me for the NFL because of the level conservatism among the coach of the two sports. But I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you can read this story, right and laugh about it. Meanwhile, he's learning saying you, I'm taking this drug that we know causes great bodily harm to manage his pain. But if a guy gets arrested for marijuana on the back. He's he's out the league man, but the hypocrisy with this conversation. It's ridiculous. You don't have to go through a professor. He is a professor so anybody expect so Lonzo says or lonzo's team, shall we say the team Lonzo says that they would prefer for if there's going to be a deal with Anthony Davis in the pelicans. They were preferred to be moved to a third team that does not have an established point guard that Lonzo would prefer to be traded where he can start right away. And that's cute and fine, and he can have his desires in. Once we all do we can all wish that we want. Some inhabit fact of the matter is Lonzo ball's needs and preferences are probably around number nine hundred forty six when it comes to get new deal done to get Anthony Davis here. And it's and it's really says in my opinion that Lonzo knees it to be easy. In other words, he can't come in and take the deuce by whoever it is these not good enough to do that. So it needs to be sort of a vacancy they can just kind of dropped into a handed to them. I don't like that tone. If you don't hear Anthony Davis. Camp saying we prefer him to be somewhere. They don't have an established four. Don't that do because you know matter where he goes he got a skill sets of different in you see it in sports all the time what's to fit kit. Kenny fit within the structure of what the pelicans are doing probably not because magic in the Lakers drafted him for a specific reason. He probably wasn't that clearly wasn't the best guy available at the time that they drafted him. But they draft him because they had a vision of what they wanted the Lakers to look like the pelicans may not have that same vision or better yet his family or his group or crew or Campbell. Whatever you wanna call it dad ain't not have that same. Right. Not have the same vision for him to go alongside of drew who is a point guard who dominates the ball brings it up to court any wants to son to be able to do it to play this traditional point gore role because he's not a shooter. So he can't create his own shot like that. Right. So it's like you gotta find a perfect spot for him. And maybe it's not the pelicans. Maybe it's a role in always go to like a Sacramento is maybe it's a role in the psych Ramento. Maybe it's a row at another team somewhere else with this should be a level of comfort here because one he has his teammate there. Julius Randle was right there. Presumably a lot more of them on there be a lot more. So it's just it's just Lakers mid west or make makers southeast or whatever. And we've seen it all over again the point to about this, though, is that I would argue that lonzo's best served by changes scenery that Lonzo needs you. But, but, but but is it the pelicans maybe not because let's say I'm just trying to think of twin the point that I'm trying to make. Go somewhere else because to your point Z that he doesn't want it or he does want it handed to them. Well, there was no more of a ready made situation that was handed to a player then Lonzo ball at the Lakers. You had Magic Johnson of all people going out and saying he's the chosen when he's the one is numbers going up here. He's gonna break my records here, the keys to the kingdom young man to the Lakers of all places. And it's you could tell if it kinda hit him like, whoa. He wasn't quite ready for maybe a smaller place like New Orleans or Sacramento. Like you said key somewhere where it's not. Okay. Be Magic Johnson. Just go be Lonzo ball. He'll be better served for that. But I think an offense to him. He gets a heavy knock on staying in a heavy knock on bath free throw shooting. Shut up. Rush. A heavy knock on three point shooting percentage at all of these sort of things. Right. But he never was going to be a great shooter. He wasn't selected as a great shoot. He was a floor general something that they wanted. I. When I look at the situation. It's not that we're giving up because you can't play anymore. No. He's the we got we got a Rolls Royce versus a bug. You're a bug, and we got a Rolls Royce coming in we could get rid of this bug in order to grab this rose rights, and that's what we want to do. But we were shocked at how poor shooter he was you may not be drafted to be shooter. But we weren't expecting him to be this poor at it. And he was just beginning to show us. What magic saw prior to his ankle injury. And that's disappointing thing if this trade does not happen. If we still have Lonzo ball on this squad for for Siebel future. If what he showed us before the injury is what he's going to continue to grow into. I'm straight with that. Because what I saw with a much more complete basketball player that was a headache when a defensive side of the ball long limbs, incredibly athletic, good, sensibilities spatial intelligence, and if he got beat off the dribble. He was he has shown LeBron like ability to get you on the. Back. We've had blocking blocking shots and be notes deflect passes. So I'm straight if Lonzo ball ends up being Laker for life because I saw flash what he could be. But as key says, if you gotta give that flash to get the spotlight give me the spotlight, and I'll deal with the flash later if Lonzo stays that's fine. Because to your point the last few games that we saw last four or five games before he got hurt. He looked like he was becoming the player that we were hoping that he would become the problem that Lonzo I think is always going to have. And I put myself in this category is the expectations that were sold to us by the family. And by magic were get ready for Jason Kidd. It's not that. But not that. Uh-huh. Okay. But Jason Kidd even in his second year. You're like, oh, yeah. But it has a wash on us. Okay. He was showing he just keep getting hurt and his second. See you have to remember and his second year in his second year, Jason Kidd spent the first two in college vase was a one and done. That's not apples to apples. The fact is is that join your makes that big of a difference. It makes a hell of a difference. I mean a year ago. We weren't in that chair. Right. Things changed. Right. And so I mean, you're makes a hell of a difference. And looking Lonzo bodies physically between last year and this year, huge difference? So yeah, a year, particularly when you're young chemical hell of a difference because he's not when you when you're young in in. You know, Travis you play sports when you were a freshman, you're different than you are junior. I mean, that's just the way it is. That's the year made a big difference for Ingram last year to the not much sturdier. Here's the same guy. All of a sudden going to be able to shoot make free throws is going to be a breakthrough. Here's the question. I'd have to ask yourself is what have you seen growth with Lonzo ball from last year? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay there. Then deductive reasoning suggest that growth is going to happen from two two year. I think the girl. Oh weekly somewhere else, perhaps. But also means you're going to have the right coaching. The right assistant coaches, you gotta have the right system to accentuate. What you can do as a player. You gotta have the right? What you need to do. You gotta have to write write pieces around you to math. What you can't do. Well, Michael Jordan may not all that to say right fit. Right. Yeah. I could Jordan and may not have been Michael Jordan had even drafted by the Portland trailblazers. So I'd say that all the time people because because you pair him whatever they had up there. Now, all of a sudden, you it looks different. It happens. All the time. I mean, you don't need a sports, John. It gets involved in this stuff right fit. Right. Coach right time. It just but you gotta leaving. He's part of the package. He's got to go. See you, bro. Roger staff old from the Rams. He's going to join us. That's coming up at eight thirty. So make sure you stick around for that. Plus the Lakers still need a third star. They get Anthony Davis in one may be on the way that's next. You know, what this is key? Thankfully, no music from newly released movie. I'm Julie, oh, not exactly new nudie. What? No, no one gets. You're not doing now is in the opposite of old. It's actually came out sixty years ago today. Who knows what made it? Sound wiser some close because I can never always thought they would just say the sleeping beauty. The other one always talking to know why the blonde the blonde. Aurora is sleeping beauty her. First name like, she's real daughter. Two years ago. Travis. They had these things are. Hey, man. Play. And my daughter, of course, like every other kid has the Princess phase where they go through Snow, White and bell and all Pocahontas and all this and then Aurora was through Pocahontas. I don't think any of my daughter's hasn't been daughters of ever gone through the Snow White phasing Pocahontas. Jasmine jasmine, none of the Snow White. They won't little use a jazz spice. The skin to be a little like the Kelly Clarkson thing, and they all look the same scene like that. Whoa. Whoa. Fused. Why you? I don't understand there's because I think it's like the same story in this story poisons associated white black hair on hair Cinderella, had blond hair really not that hard to keep them straight. I've never been to Disneyland which one had the doors. Snow white. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. That's like asking which one had the pips. I don't know every now. And then I'm sure there's people that get Gladys Knight Aretha, Patty confused, and I mean, there's some I think some of the I know they all kind got their own issues with each other. But I'm sure there's people not me, and you and Raj, but there's other people we get them. Not you. And yourself about other people wonder who that? I wonder who we might be excluding for the group. Why you listen to you? Guys are making me an outsider. I don't think. I like, you know. You know, you do know is. So according to whoa, JR. Klay. Thompson would be interested in joining the Lakers. If the warriors didn't offer him a max contract and that the Lakers traded for the contract slot close to his max. Now, a lot of things would have to break right for something like this to happen. But what crazier things have? I just don't see why the wears wouldn't max clay. I mean, they're in the middle of a champion window because they they've got other stuff. They got a they got a dress. Whether or not they gonna keep Draymond boogie cousins will be up. They maybe you gotta figure. I mean, he dropped twenty two last night. No, he's a great player. So that you got to figure out what you're going to do boogie and at the same time top of the list of with the words need to do is Katie that. You gotta deal with Katie. I mean, there's a lot to have to deal with an on top of that the Lakers could potentially be recruit not Lakers, but other NBA players can potentially be recruiting Klay to come back home in. Now, you could be a part of this in look as appealing as the Lakers are with LeBron James. And I would I would argue that that's about as appealing of situations you could find because he's one of the greatest players ever if not the greatest player ever, but it's more appealing if it's LeBron and Anthony Davis now, the sudden that window that's opening Golden State gets a little more narrow because you have somebody else in the same half of the draw that is able to push you, and especially in the situation like clay, not only do with the Lakers in this scenario ABC lay your damaging a rival with your own edition. It's a two for one in that -solutely but be not mistaken if this just broad and the brow, and what's going to be remaining. That's good. Tranship Katie in the warriors keep drain on this. Speaking of this season that's enough that is truly enough because we've already seen what Bron can do with Kevin love right finals every year with Kevin won a chip of Kevin even though authencity Kevin didn't really give you anything. He had he had Kyrie right? Right. And then last year he didn't have Kyrie and has to the score. They might have one anymore. And. No names on my throne. Trey to you. He's in purgatory, man. Yeah. Do you think are mental can't get back? Purgatory later this afternoon. Stop her way inside the point being is that if you don't think a guy who's giving you thirty and thirteen right now on a fifty percent shooting can hit the three any high screener rose scenario with Braun is enough to get you over the hump after what you saw Houston doing. I guess go to State Warriors lasts either. Which just James harden? And Chris Paul Chris Paul got hurt come on. I I think all that is true. He can't they can't compete. But remember what magic said in exclusive interview with me, Sean Johnson back one year the backpack next year. So this is great that we can make a, you know, make a clapping run in a happy run towards something this year. But the I for me is always been on the following year being able to grab a third guy. Wherever the third guy is the guy we talked about being back back back. He I wonder if even magic at that point envisioned a scenario where they could get Anthony Davis in that first year that back back down the road. They all know you when you when you in in his leagues, you know, who's doing what and who wants to do you just don't put it out there? So you get fine. Another half a million half a billion dollars. You mess around. And you keep everything close to your this. You learn from your first mistake by saying, hey, we we love to have Paul George now. And this time you allow other people that can't get take that fine to put that message out there, which is clear I wanna play with this guy. He is now with my agency. This is what's going to happen? It feels like that's been said, it just hasn't been said publicly that the Lakers are the destination for what you mentioned as far as the clutch sports becoming a part of Anthony Davis is life and just the timing of this whole thing lead you because if this were I just want out of here. This could have been done earlier it could have been done later. It could've been because we're getting near that trade deadline if they want to try to get something done. Now, really the Lakers are the only team that's going to be able to do. They don't know if that conversation happened in the off season already and that it happened privately and then Davidson's campus it back on. Oh, they didn't take me. Seriously. Maybe now leaking. In other words, they were already giving a heads up at the beginning. He's pointed out, it was pretty obvious. Anyone paying attention as soon as you. Switch ages. Your franchise should have been put an alert. Then you have a conversation. You still have made the move yet. All right. We're losing your trying to mess me up. Maybe not make it public. And now the second tier I'm only re-signing with the Lakers is going to make it harder. But don't be surprised if another team decides, you know, what I'm still going to try and make this trait happen because I could keep it for a whole of the year, and then flip of myself the following year in the before the trade deadline on twenty twenty nine Sunday Super Bowl Sunday Super Bowl fifty three one of the men who will be on the field Rams guard. Roger sampled will join us next who boy Elsie. All right. We're getting closer to Super Bowl Sunday. We're looking for Roger Chaffee. We'll talk with him coming up in just kind of let. Travis wants to bring us back there. We weren't back while. Just because they're they're. Tony says the rest of us were for the first time. You guys get it all in man. He this right here now trying. Yes, the backyard at the barbecue. Coups cigarettes, eight slam the air slamming on the table, eight boom them bones. Dominoes. I'm. Both could be the dice to. Yeah. All right. So Bill Belichick in Sean McVay developed a relationship via text this season. Apparently bell check reaches out to McVeigh. And hey like teams playing good job keep it up, and they started going back and forth after the games each season. Two key. You mentioned in earlier that there is there a little bit of espionage going in and all this or is this just a couple of like minded guys admiring each other from a distance. Well, I think it's I think it's a little bit of both. I mean, but it's trying to understand coaches want to understand what each other's doing game plan wise what they see on a certain situation what they would do in certain situations. I think that's what you take from this. You take the fact that there's things that Bill Belichick season. He likes Sean McVay does advice. I in coaches, they have those conversations they haven't been basketball football. You know, they say, hey, I knew guys are active even vocals are acting. Yeah. They they'll visit with. You. Hey, I see that you did this on this particular situation. Why did you do it? What what why did you blitz? The corner off the side. Sean McVay ask Bill Belichick that. So when he sees it he'll know how to adjust to it. I know you sit. There you go. Well, why would I be telling you all my seek? Yeah. Because I really really doesn't matter film. Anyway, I just wanna know how you think what you thought process, but you wonder if there's not a bit of a long game here from Bill Belichick and looking at that and going I'm going to run into that young man at some point there's some part of that. And certainly I thought that LeBron James kind of correlate the two K D. You remember when Katie was starting to really bubble up out of Sunday started practicing together and hanging out and and working out together in the barn looking going. Okay. This this is comment. So let me spend some time with this. And see if there's anything I can get from that one of the men who will be out on the field. This Sunday Rams in the patriots Super Bowl. Fifty three is Roger Roger appreciate you coming on. How are you? Doing great. How you guys doing man? Big rocks. This. Man, you suck at all you taking it all up. These these days Sunday Monday Tuesday when it comes to win the work week after that. So you're in Atlanta. Sean McVeigh went to high school and played in highschool not very far from here. This this city, hold any particular special interest connection for you at all. You know, not really, but you know. It is nice to be able to see you know, 'cause they'd be able to come back, you know, to where it all started. And you know, seeing where, you know, time coming from Georgia and everybody comes back. So I know it's extremely specimen them. But you know, at the end of the day, I'm just here to win once a ballgame for world championship Rogers sampled joining us here on Keyshawn ill Z and Travis Rudge's it felt like a normal preparation for a football game. I mean, it is a football game. It's different in that. It's the Super Bowl. But can you make it as normal as possible to get ready for it? I think these are the John's where you take it on their, you know, I'm going through opening night. And you know, coming off that plane. You know, you you realize that you really here it's really Super Bowl time say it all in. And then you know, that once, you know, Wednesday starts, and we're going through our normal stands that. You know, we treat is like a game. You know? Of course, we're blessed them prepare for two weeks the team, and you know, but when it comes down to Wednesday yet that that business markets, and I speak ultimate focus for my teammates all throughout the week until Super Bowl Sunday. Roger as you continue to keep preparing for this football game for tank for New England's fronts. What problems could they present for you up front on the defensive line as well at the second corps linebackers with some stunts in blitzes. Oh, yes. A ton. You know, they do a great job of being able to bring a different personnel. They give you different looks. You could have just one D lineman in there, and maybe to de lime in there. And the rest are just linebackers moving all over the place would have been come down to technique and execution, but also communication is going to be key. Everybody needs to know who they're going to. So that if they do decide to continue doing stunts and blitzes that we're we're all picked up and that are running back. Not exactly going to Andrew sees outside picking up talking about running backs Todd Gurley. Obviously the main stay at that position for you guys over the last several years off it's a player to year year. Go didn't necessarily have the best game against the New Orleans Saints and hasn't really played a one hundred percent here in the last month or so the season. What do you expect for from Todd on Sunday? You know is tied to be the saying guy, you know, that that guy has a ton of poise, you know. But I definitely see him doing great things, you know. He's more critical than south than anybody is. And you know, when when he goes out there. He he tries to be the best you can possibly be whether that's running the ball catching the ball of blocking and pants detection. So I spent time Gary to be able to have a great game. And I expect to you know, give the patriots fits with our to head of Mosser's back there. One of the things in covering football for years that I have is talking to players about the headache of dealing with family and friends when it comes to tickets and access for big games. Have you been juggling that for the Super Bowl at all? And Luli a big family. My grandmother had eight brothers and sisters. So of course, I have tons of family. I family that live in Atlanta. And you know, the biggest thing for me was just telling them. Hey, I'm just going to try to invite my immediate family. And you know, that was able to help me out a lot, you know. Of course, you know, a friends want to go. Now, you try to make sure that they can find a way to get some tickets. But. You're gonna have to pay for it. Because there are. The word. Sure do. I have my kids my wife, you know, that's that's eight or nine already. So. Sorry. You know, so crazy when I played Super Bowl it was in San Diego, which is the closest thing to L A, obviously for the Super Bowl. I had to get over one hundred tickets betting behind the pay roll. I was just going to say that you have to arrange them or pay for him. I got him from the team they helped me out, but I had to pay for them. I'm not like. See the cab. There's a cap on. How many we get now? So it's it's nearly impossible to get over twenty six. Roger south will join us. Roger did it got about thirty seconds left. Your take me through with Jared Goff was like at the beginning of that NFC champ to game. We hear it about Joe Montana in Tom Brady when they were just getting started those big moments where the teams down, and they gotta go in a big drive Jared Goff in the huddle. Like when you guys were down thirteen and nothing, man. He was he's friendly. Extremely poised. I mean, the guy has quieted mine when he goes out and plays. And you know, he was like, hey, we'll go come back. We're going to school on this drive. And we were able to do it. You know, you gotta have the leasing your quarterback in the quarterback has the least you as well. And I think that's why we were able to execute in in such noise. You know, he gets harder and harder. But you have to be able to handle those blows and take advantage of the opportunities. When you get them Rogers Sappho will be on the field Sunday night right here in Atlanta taken on the patriots. Roger, good luck. And thanks for coming on. Chip. Thank you guys. Thank you. I I would be climbing the walls right now. I just got to get the gay, man. I get it. I gotta get through five more days. Remember, those two started remember said to you. It's just like you ask the question about, you know, how do you handle the situation just like a normal game you go through Monday Tuesday. And then Wednesday comes you prepare Wednesday Thursday Friday travel on Saturday. And then Sunday you go play the game in that the end of the game. You figure out if you win a loose another guy that has been through this before Super Bowl champion DeMarco far just next kinda messed up to be honest. I didn't say just like Mason. Steerable become need to give me the music. Oh, no. The classics. It's a classic right. I guess so I guess so speaking of DeMarco for Super Bowl champion. He's been on the sidelines for season leading up to the Super Bowl on Sunday. Demarco good morning. How are you? Wait, fellas. How are you? We're great here in Atlanta freezing. But you know, how it is. You know, it's one of the things where it was supposed to be an ice storm with some sort snow here about the last hour and a half. I see nothing with gray skies Ranko. No rain raining field is lighten up a little bit. But a little bit wet. Yeah. Yeah. It is that for sure. For domes. Thank God for domes last. Couple of Super Bowls had the weather wise has white worked out, but they picked a couple of dome. So we you talk domes talking about whether all the different things that go on with the Super Bowl tomorrow. The Rams are in town. They had the press conference to media day limping night opening night is what they call it. How did you view that versus when you were in the Super Bowl, and it was just media day? Again, besides the money. Besides the I guess the global appeal of the NFL I wish I was playing today based on what I saw yesterday that the opening night is awesome. I thought that couldn't be a better recruiting pitch for any potential free agent in the National Football League. Why wouldn't you want to be here? Why wouldn't you wanna come to the west coast with a young head coach a young quarterback, a good nucleus? That was great. I mean, that's that's how the NFL should be presented in my opinion. Your champions should be, you know, held above all others. I thought that was awesome. Marker. I don't want to harp on the past as many New Orleans. Saints fans are doing right now, but there will be ramifications of how the NFC gave turned out going forward. What do you see in a phil- doing? So that went our Rams make it to the Super Bowl. There's no one having an asterisk next to our name. Oh, I could care less. What they think of New Orleans, and it is what it is. I mean, there's always going to be your detractors. But you know, I'm I'm anxious to see what Roger Goodell says tomorrow during his press conference. I'm sure he's going to get asked about that game about that. No call but probably what will come out of. It is some sort of rule maybe you'll get to review pass interference calls late in games or it'll be part of the review process. I'm sure something some mechanism will come out of that that situation regardless it's not the reason the saints lost. And it's not the reason the Rams one. But regardless you can't have that ever. I could care less. If that was in preseason some flag has got to come out when it's an obvious PI or or shot to the helmet DeMarco for joining us DeMarco to kill Roby Coleman who made the hit kind of change the conversation. We at least got off the call for a little bit. Because he said that age has started to take its toll on Tom Brady. What did you make of those comments because it seemed like kind of poke in the bear? With Tom Brady is a pretty. A bad idea. That's the first thing. I said travels like, oh, boy don't don't do that. You don't want to go there with him. I mean, he's already good. I mean, the other report he was talking. I think spikes on his team about pro bowls. And the quote that came out was I don't do this stuff for Pro Bowl. Do the stuff ring? So he's already great in the wants to win. Well, don't add extra motivation by calling him old. And that's exactly how he should take it and the rest of the patriots organizations should take. Oh, they think your whole. So if you thought so we're going to get the best Brady if that got under his skin you're really going to see Tom Brady on game day. Demarco are ribs and ovens joining us here on Keyshawn ills e. Oh, no. Does. He no, he l z Tra rabbit we go. Real quick. What did you make the comments? What did you make of sham McVeigh in Bill Belichick? Texting threw out the season with one another. Weird. Didn't you do that? With guys you're about the play against friends or people you you kind of respected that we're on other teams. So you may keep the bathroom light during the season, your friends, but your competitors. So didn't surprise me. Didn't shock me. You know, the the thing about coach McVeigh, Sean McVay as he seeks out wise counsel. And if you want to be the best why not talk to Bill Belichick. I'm sure he's got something that you can learn from so no big deal. I bet that kind of stuff now. I bet they stop texting as of this point. Even Tom Brady said I I don't have any a vice for Jared Goff. I bet Bella check saying the same thing any advice, you get from Belzec at this point is probably this information, you know, something that's could be used to benefit him. But no shock. You should call your elders. The the elder statesman of a week, and they should pick up your call or text, and there should be a dialogue there. No shock there. At what point do you think it begins to hit the players that they're at the Super Bowl? For me LV. If you watch the America's game video, I'm sure people have seen that or anytime. They show are highlights from our ninety nine season. Whenever you see the Rams come out of the tunnel. And you see me running out big seventy five white jersey with his hands in the air. I am hyperventilating. Right there. Video I'm serious. It did not hit me. How big this was until I was on the way out to play the football game. They did a great job with focus. The team was great dick for meal was great. But I'm standing there in the tunnel. And they're getting ready to announce this and right next to my left is one of my teammates, Ryan, Tucker. And he has this patch on his shoulder that says Super Bowl thirty four. And right, then it hit me. Oh my God. We're in the Super Bowl. And then they said Rams come out. And we did. But as soon as the ball was in the air, it was it was football all over again. But for that moment, you kinda get overwhelmed by the moment DeMarco you, and I talked about Aaron Donald all season long in the conversation got kicked off last night about Aaron Donald relative to Lawrence Taylor. Is there any comparison there at all or is Lawrence Taylor and his own category? I got about thirty seconds left. Sure. Not yet. You gotta win. I and you gotta be dominant doing it. I mean LT was great getting the giants there. And he was great went in the championship. So to be. In that. That's that conversation. You've got to be dominant on game day. You've got to be the reason the Rams win. Demarco far will be on the sidelines for the Super Bowl on Sunday afternoon. Demarco as always thanks a bunch. Thank you, sir. All right up next. How key handle an alarm last night in the hotel keys headline in the morning coming up.

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PHINSIDER RADIO | Miami Dolphins slim down to 53-players following refreshing preseason campaign

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Each and every episode of Radio josh joshua the preseason the books were finally onto doing good how you doing today. I'm doing great jake. So happy that we gotta come on here and talk dolphins football so happy that i'm enjoying iced coffee and staying dry in northeast. Pennsylvania how're you doing today jake. It has absolutely miserable here too in terms of rain. I it's a little chilly at certainly felix fallen. You know that right away is when you're driving around town at seven o'clock in the morning you notice. All kids headed back to school. Today was the first day Trying to get my eyes coffee early. This morning was certainly a pain But josh we have recorded in a few days here. It's officially september. It's officially the football season seeing how we had our first fantasy draft recently and we have a lot to buy into here. The dolphins finished the preseason big cut the roster down to fifty three and there is always some more drama going on with this team in the quarterback position so josh. Let's start at the top. The dolphins bench the preseason with a record of two and one after defeating the bengals twenty nine hundred twenty six on sunday. I think the best way to start. This conversation is with a massive. Thank you to both be dolphins in the bengals because it seems like every time these two teams meet out. We get a little bit of excitement in a little bit of entertainment out of it. No matter how good or bad these students might be yes. I think the last time he played them or one of the last times was ten hills. We all remember that. Being montana hills last games are realizing at that point. You know he was no longer the future. But jake we saw read cinna. I mean. This was a thrilling game. A barnstorming to be completely honest. I mean this is not what you from. Third preseason game but he went twenty two of thirty three for three hundred forty three yards two touchdowns on interception that made him We all saw a stat coming across the screen. Most preseason yards in a game by quarterback. This how awesome is that but it. It was just an awesome performance to see the way to go out there to pull off in the fashion. They did. I mean it was kind of reminiscent of that miami miracle but you know it is just preseason. It kind of ruined me. What was twenty nineteen when the teams met. I remember i was out at the bar watching the game. And the dolphins had a pretty decent lead. And then i drive home and i turned it on the radio or whatever and all of a sudden was the bengals took the lead in the last seconds of the game or something. I ended up being much closer. Game that i recall. The same is true. If you go back to the halloween game with cameron wig and josh talking about. I need to put this out year. In how exciting. This point is that each. And every one of miami's quarterbacks as preseason to jake brisket at not senate everyone has looked so incredibly comfortable in this offense. You know there were using the pasture we'd see met more Kinda get sacked over and over even luke folk get sack over and over and over the fact that miami's wasn't there the offensive line was due netted. The receivers couldn't do anything all of a sudden you had some You're kind of hoping makes his way back onto the team on the practice squad. He has three catches for seventy two yards and a touchdown he will play. Nfl player and author these quarterbacks all three of these three levels of depth. The miami dolphins have looked like they could play in a football game. And i think that was the most appealing thing to me in. General and Quarterback swear you know it wasn't this is going to go off the experience we had. Our third stringer coming in really cooking a little bit. Yeah and you know. Maybe that's just why we should be excited about this team. You know last year. Let's be honest. It looked like a ryan fitzpatrick offense. Just look different when he was in command. But like you said i mean these guys are going out there. It seems like they all have a pretty good understanding of what's in front of their making plays. It's such a weird thing that we're talking about how good Already being cut. But jake camera wolf. You know one of our good pals. He's now working for. Nfl network just reported that read senate is signing back with the miami dolphins on their practice squad so on to that. We'll talk about these roster cuts as we get own with this podcast but Yeah it was just one of those performances that you really didn't expect to see again. I don't think anybody was shocked. That cynic academy. We didn't expect three quarterbacks to stay on the active roster you'd love to see that he lands on the practice squad another guy that we're all hoping and praying lands on the practice squad is kirk mary at three reception. Seventy two yards and a touchdown you know. Try to hurl over guy. You've been making jokes for over a year now about how he can jump high on the boxes. What were your thoughts on that. Jake because i mean again. This was a low receiver room to know that kirkman it wasn't gonna make the fifty three mirage Surprise but after that performance again three catches seventy two yards touchdowns thought maybe he would end up trickling in and maybe taken over that roster spot that press williams got. Yeah just yet to be surprised. If you look at the fact that guys like crested williams and devante parker even though williams had a couple stamps over there did make The fifty three man roster absari. I really shouldn't say surprised. But it's an interesting point. Because i see guys like malcolm perry Who really kind of popped out. And i'm not saying in be starting wide receivers but in terms of the fifth or sixth guy being kurt merit out or Welcome perry now. They look better than they did last year. They look like you know if it's fifteen weeks or whatever. It may be when the dog days of the season and he has some injuries. I would've felt comfortable with those guys being your fifth or sixth by receiver So that's kind of where. I see this receiving group going. I think if this was last year. I look back to you. Know the days where the fourth of the receivers marlet more i mean. These guys are above. And beyond that. So i think it's just more credit to the debt in the team that kris bryant voices put together and just another player. Wanna talk about. Jared dokes sixteen rushing attempts for fifty six yards in two touchdowns nother guy who was cut but at josh at the same time i mean he screams rookie. Our mouths Is going to get what's given to. He's going to play a clean Bugging is going to be responsible with the ball at you as a practice squad as adults. Keep roughly fifteen guys on this roster and really have a lot of flexibility in terms of who can stand that roster who can be active on game days. I mean running backs coming back on this team. I mean does to be right there. Yeah i think we need to come up with a nickname from oak dokes or something like that. But i mean a lot of people. I posted a video of all of his carries from this game. You can check that out. I'll throw it up on the insider some point but i mean a lot of people just really weren't impressed by what he did. I mean he was getting the sure yard is sure he was running. You know straight ahead and get That yards after contact. But i guess he didn't really blow to many people away but for me jake. I thought he went out there and did know pretty much what you expected you know. He kind of looked like a running back. Malcolm brown moves on or you know what we thought from. Howard those guys move on. This is a guy that can come in and fill that similar role. I mean we saw him being goal. I'm back which let's be honest. He seem more capable than what we've seen over the last few years so as little surprised that he was cut. I do think we're hoping to stash on the practice squad but we'll just see the way that whole thing shapes out another thing that we have to mention. Jake is the bengals. Had almost twice as many rushing yards. The miami dolphins a hundred and twenty yards on the ground. And you know we're talking about a third preseason game. We didn't even get into cuts yet. We will but that's still not a very good sign especially when we're looking at dolphins defense who've lost some starters quite frankly we weren't expecting to see go then they josh. I kind of wrote the sun just for the sake of it. Seems like the rushing. Defense is miami's biggest weakness and we'll talk about that. Serbia's we talk about the fisherman roster but it also seems like josh that they understand. This is a weakness in. They're playing to their strengths. This is a passing league breaking news. So the fact that the rushing defense is weakness when you see how that s defense can be. It certainly makes a lot of sense. One of the best parts of your fantasy league the pro level smacktalk but switching between your group chat and you're in seattle. That's a great way to lose your best lines and loot the social experience make your fantasy football league exactly what you wanted to be with sleeper sleepers the all totally customizable and totally free fantasy platforms with incredible commissioner tools built in messaging and support for every kind of draft under the sun. It's the app experience you've been waiting and if your fantasy crews looking for for number one dynasty platform you founded. the draft. experience on sleeper is especially grape start anytime poss- for as long as you need to league rival straggling plus you can undo any pick and draft in person or remotely or like most experiences. These days you can make it a mix to fit your crew sleeper. Also get you the new stamps scores. You need to come out on top and delivered devastating smack talk to your buddies at the bottom of the league find out. Why sleeper is the fastest growing fantasy sports platform. Make the change and see. Just how fun. Your fantasy can be download sleeper from the app store or google. Play store for free today and switch early over josh moving on the dolphins officially announce their fifty three man roster. We were dmz throughout the day. Let's go back curtain a little bit because we saw the cap space scenario. I don't i don't know this tweet was got around other people too but i think it was sport track who tweeted out that the dolphins needed a fine twenty six million dollars the under the cap on the day of roster cuts and it took me a little while to realize that that included players eighty two what fifty four and i was paying like. Are they going to cut someone major. How did we not know about this But just can walk me through. What's going through your head. Because i have to say. In that moment. I was spooked. About what kind of moves. The dolphins had to make being twenty six million the whole. Yeah maybe that's my fault. I mean i was just sitting there. You know we were doing it all weekend long. Just refreshing twitter waiting for something to happen and you know it's negative twenty six hundred dollars in cap space and i just felt like i had to send you because you know like you said on the surface it's just like what the hell but then when you start to peel away the layers like an onion you start to see. That is almost thirty people. Jake and you know some of these moves. Were a surprise. Some work but to me and i just want to jump right into it. Here jake bernard mckinney. I mean we talked about him for podcasts. After podcast we're talking about how poor the run defenses. I mean this one felt like a punch to the gut. What were your thoughts. When you solve an archer bikini was cut by the miami dolphins. The thing that i think we all love is that we have no idea what's happening. We have absolutely no control. And it's those punches those throws they really make this for exciting jazz because this was a situation we had no idea. This was coming in a tree. That involved Benadryl mckinney and shack. Loxton neither of those guys are on the texans or the miami dolphins anymore. I find that to be so crazy. And just after i got passed that initial like what on earth is happening here this year starting middle linebacker. I tried to kind of. You're at the why you're how the dolphins they got to this point and really to me. I think the only thing that popped out me and it wasn't santa guavas for that game. But it was more landed. Roberts actually practicing actually playing Because i remember we were doing podcasts. Like may i remember sharing the quotes of land. Robert saying you know. This is the worst i've ever been injured. I'll be back. But i'd be back. I'm taking it slowly. I mean there was. Nobody thinking landed. Roberts suffering a knee injury late in december would be back for the regular season. And i think mckinney was kind of that roberts prototype in a sense where i even kind of we should have seen this coming with very mellon because mckinney and mcmillan even same tickets thumper guy in the middle. That's clearly clearly what the miami dolphins don't plan on using especially for that cat price when you have landed roberts coming in. He looks out these so at first that shock atlantic is definitely there and saying. I certainly agree with the move. But i understand where brian floors were starting to come from. Especially when you factor in some like landon. Roberts jake and i was a big fan of mckinney. I liked the trae when it went down. But i wanna be off a tweet. From alfredo arteaga three yards precarity. Put shed pretty light on this bikini situation. He said. let me explain. Kennicutt mckinney looks powerful as a thumper rolling in as the mike for nineteen days. Alanna roberts comes back murders every back. We have for practice. They say yep. Same guy mckinney is now one-dimensional player. They don't want to so again. It goes back to what you said. But i mean to me i guess the thing that i take away from that is why did the dolphins make this trade. If they expected to bring a mckinnon have him. You know play pass coverage and do those things that it sounds like you know. They're shocked for some reason that he can't do. I mean again. I think when you trade it for mckinney was in here to change the dynamic that run defense and i. I think i'm upset that he is gone now. But i'm never going to sit here and pretend that. I know more than brian floors and chris greer on never do that. I think it kind of goes back to the fact that the dolphins are going to be playing safeties so often. Three of them i see. What jalen phillips will do. Let their preseason game i think they expect him to be a starter and maybe they're just going to kind of try to third baker in there when they're using two linebackers as that guy who can bursts of the middle. I believe he had nine sacks last season. So i do agree with you. Josh rethought this would help the run defense. But i think this is also a calculated risk by the dolphins in terms of what they see as their strengths and weaknesses. And if they're going to give up an extra you know four carries for five runs of pop in. It looks a little ugly but as a result. I mean you stop team on four straight third downs on third enforce the third and sixth. Because you have those defensive backs it kinda evens out without you knowing that you know. Full story yeah. Let's not pretend that you know ryan floors doesn't love to use his safety's brim him. Down the box. i mean. we haven't even really talked about brennan jones law this off season. I mean that perfect player that can drop down there and do those things. So great point there jake. And again i wish mckinney all the luck in the world he is kind of. He's twenty eight years old. So you know after the restructure after certain things maybe it. Isn't that big of a surprise. Josh another move. The dolphins made is putting left tackle coleman on injured reserve and i think we can both certainly agree that while he did look super prepared to be playing in. Nfl cabourg canes. He really has that body. That mold umass guy. I guess that's kind of why. I know a little bit more about him where i think this was away with adults can really wacky doubted. Make sure he doesn't get onto waivers. Don't worry about keeping on the practice squad. I would've those open coleman just yet. I know the injured reserve a little frustrating but this is a guy at the dolphins. Can you know really work with them for another year to i could see him. Actually being a decent tackle. I mean when you're talking about a seventh on die at at you can get him do klay productive snaps. I mean you gotta take every opportunity. You can get in that situation and i think with this coaching staff and this regime. I think one of the most exciting parts about is just how they can bring in some these raw talents and just get the most out of him. So i love see what they can do. With loren coleman another release you know kind of shocked me a little bit and you know sent shockwaves. Through dolphins twitter was when she came griffin. Got released them. No it sounds like the dolphins wanna bring him back to the practice squad jake but for player. He seems like he was out there. Doing everything look like. His hair was on fire at times. That special teams presents. You know once they got rid of some of these other guys i thought for sure shack griffin was gonna make the roster but that was a little bit surprising. Jake i'm not gonna lie. Yeah and that's another guy too. I think the dolphins are recommended him back on the spot where that depths can really come in handy on he did make a lot of plays in the preseason training camp to really see that hype start to grow. But it's important to keep in mind. I think there are a lot of second. Third stringers evolved their to. Of course you're going to see that and nfl so having someone griffin your back. Pocket is certainly. It'd be nice job. I got preseason game three. I thought karl tucker's dodge me the fullback from alabama he actually popped out on the page. That's kinda why like these preseason games you really don't the squint to see the guys who maybe can have a future nfl. I'm interested to see it. The dolphins keep him along. I as a full back. I mean i know. They're gonna christopher wilkins in that scenario. Maybe even season carter especially seeing the fact five tight ends but in terms of injuries of different scenarios jobs. See carl tucker being a guy. I think they keep on that practice Both new interior rock and do a little bit of blocking old coral took was a mighty man. You wash his face with a fine pandur here. That's the old. Dan tucker song that might way out yearly. But jake another movie. I guess it wasn't that big of a surprise with how you know the report. So michael jeter playing. Well the dolphins. I think they signed a center recently but matt scurr being released. I know that adam schefter in rapid tweeted out. You know this was surprised but based on everything you heard camp. You know the pretty big salary and the dolphins current situation. It didn't really make sense to keep matt skirt and take those reps away from a guy. Like michael who this staff you know. Seems like they are all in on. And i think that's kinda why. I'm excited about low. Now coleman like you said because they sat on michael deter you know. They told him the ins and outs and now he's going to go out there and start center for the dolphins so You know but metzger veteran presence will not offense. Line a little bit surprising jake. Yeah i think it's important to keep in mind the fact that you just said at josh. It isn't that big of a surprise based on what we're hearing in camp so when we think about the fact that you know someone like rapport adam. Schefter is calling it a little bit more surprising move I'm gonna put the call to action of two all dolphin fans out there to not get mad about it and say like no shit or anything like that for the sake of the matter that most people across. Nfl aren't focused on miami's backup center job So that's important to keep in mind there to to ramble the senate majority leader get a beard. It will feel much better about you. Josh you have a little bit of egg on your face. Takim grant is on the roster however he is restructured voids up to three million dollars. I think he can actually make up to three million dollars in the final years of his contract. So josh i was up over grant but i mean mighty mouse came in and proved deserves a spot on this roster. Yeah they clearly you're going to run to punt return system that we alluded to and you know I do definitely a value on my face. I went out on my way to make that toy story. Joke and shame on me. But i'm excited to see what you can do like adam beasley. The pro. football never reported. This contract is up to three million dollars avoids the final two years of his contract. So you know. It almost seems like the dolphins are going to move on from taking grant after this year. It sounded like they were trying to trade him but to restructure had that playmaker another souped up car in the dolphins offense. No why not for two thousand twenty two yet josh. A little side note here. I was listening to the ringers. Nfl fantasy castles those guys. They're absolutely hilarious. But they had peter schrager on and he kind of. I don't want to say you don't maybe showed us and a little bit But he started talking about and he's admitted this on the show he started talking about. How useful Chatting with guys within the dolphins and he heard that jalen waddell from the start was the guy that the dolphins wanted. I know he kinda wanna sit year and have that idea of you know they just kind of took wildly was day they wanted chase they wanted pits Or on the other side. You're trying to be that homer van. Of course they wanted wild but this gentleman seems like the guy that ryan floor is wanted just the sake of going back to him playing that national championship game. If you are a ringer person or you know you a fantasy guy goal is that podcast strictly for peter shaker to be on talk a little bit about that scenario and made me feel so much more confident about what jalen waddles gonna be an in terms of his volume with this group. And i have to say josh based on what i heard i mean joan while is going to be back there returning punts and kicks in. It'll be interesting to see how often they're splitting time with jackie. Because i mean these are two guys that can take to the house over. That's another situation. I had egg on my face. 'cause i mean i'll be the first one admit i was pretty high on devante. Smith liked jalen. Waddell did but never in my life. You know thought that he was going to be all star play. This is game change that so many people truly believe he's going to be jake. We're sitting here doing this podcast. It's not one thirty september first wednesday berry jackson. The miami herald is dropping. Some names for the practice squad. Read senate is now on their kirk merit. Jared dokes all made the practice squad. The dolphins also released safety jamal. Perry so we're trying to keep up to date with some of these news You know again. Shame on us for not doing a podcast. But i think jake a large part of the reason. We didn't come on here and talk about this. Podcast and talk about some of these moves in the game was because of the ongoing dark cloud that just continues to hang over this fan base head with at the shawn watson situation because it's truly picked up steam over the last few days and it was you know it was truly. It was like a car crash where he just could not look away but you just did not want to see any more of it. Just this will think confused me so much because yes. There's the shawn watson talks going on. Yes he has legal issues and this is also. We've been digesting months and so there a tweet that came out that said that the dolphins were front runners and it included the tip or eventually he added that is that the dolphins and texans have not engaged in talks in weeks. So just wanted. Did this blow up. Why did the back that. The journalists reporters say that they haven't spoken weeks. Why did this bullet right now. Why did brian for its shot of jeff darlington. Honestly if you're a dolphins fan you not following jeff. Dog did not whole chunk of your phantom is missing because darlington came out reported. That coach bryan floor is just addressed the team regarding recent reports of miami and a possible Shawn watson just the recent reports but all the information is so old. So i just don't understand why everyone's kinda going bananas with this address stand. Their orders had to continue the asked about it. And you're going to hear about it in every single practice just in case you know someone stood up someone something different in all news but the fact that nothing new has changed. I don't understand how this blew up in why everyone wanted a. Are you on twitter. Because you're kind of going back to just arguing. You know if ben rothlisberger fulda ball going into the end zone back in two thousand eleven. You're getting nothing added that no i. I don't know jake. I don't know if it's because the fifty three man roster you know he's he's gonna count towards what ten million dollars on the texans active roster if they didn't move him so i don't know if that situation charles robinson's reporter. You're talking about. And i think even went and double down on that so i don't know why came out. I just never in you know it made sense. I guess for this to be this situation. Nine months ago at the beginning of january you know when to attack just struggled in before all of these accusations but now with the season on the horizon with how well to plate it just made absolutely no sense to me like i said i mean i was loved to have come on recent with you love to come on and talk cuts but you know. Part of me was just sitting here. I told you. I felt dead inside because it just none of it made sense so i'm glad that it seems like all that's in the in the river mir again as soon as to mess up this is gonna be the first starts to come out but it's just crazy that these rumors have still lasted nine months. We are still talking about the same damn thing. Despite how to tongue about little plate and the only way for that's have gone away was. Brian floor himself addressed the media. And said you know we have no interest. That didn't happen. This was the second best thing in my opinion. So hopefully some of those rumors get put to rest. But i don't know jake. I don't think it's truly over until shawn watson playing game for the texans. Were playing for another team in. And i just don't see the end of that happening anytime soon. Yeah you're one hundred percent right but to the people who are sharing the stories at tweeting about it and talking about it. They're the reason that the story keeps living or the same things you know quoted every single day because we can say that all the journalists are trying to get clicks. hey don't journalists at the paper who's clicking. Don't click on the things that if you know that there's nothing good in that story if you know there's nothing from it but you just don't have to click on it. You know that kind of scenario we end. We're in and if you stories that blowing up and we have forty. Different websites reported the same thing. They won't report on it so it's just a frustrating. Scenario whenever get so riled up when it's as simple don't talk about it and it goes away. I it's that simple. I think it's important to keep in mind. That shawn watson is by quarterback. Brian floors would ever ever want to shut the door on the possibility of him. Coming to miami. If you're a fan. I don't think i'd ever want to shut the door or assume that they have their quarterback of the future in place. That's kind of wind on that. But it's tiring especially when people are saying that there's no news seems haven't talked at everyone still like all the. Where's the pierre of -cation traits about to happen. Despite not knowing anything along those lines. Yeah and i do this every time we talk about anything but you know susan get off your jacor. We're gonna look at our foes damn trades and come through or something just turned our world upside down but all jokes aside. I have no idea why they're still talking about it. Like you said the dolphins were never close the door truly on it. And i think part of the reason. Why floors isn't going out there and saying they have no interest because you know as much as doll fans. Don't believe that at some point or another. The dolphins absolutely had interesting to shawn watson. So you know. I just so glad. That's over in the best way to put the salt arrest for to to go out there and play as well as he had in. Preseason josh i'm going to take it further. I think the best thing you can is stop clicking on those stories in instead. Subscribe to this podcast. Because we're gonna be hitting you with strong content from start to finish as the baby. Dolphins begin to season with doing the patriots in. Just eleven days spotify items wherever you are listening to podcasts. If you're listening to it on the inside right now Could hit control and your mouth and over to window. Go through scroll through some website. Arison stories been cited dot com agile. Another window just don't get me over. Oh my god. I don't know how to this. I don't know a window opening saving your little nightmare josh. I think we do a good job of staying straight thinking about. The dolphins might be doing instead of getting caught up on older promote mason river. That might be either way if it's all new or go shop houses your guy on twitter cheesy z. And i'm not even going to think about it. I'm just gonna say my twitter account. J. ben bill ninety four j. d. e. l. ninety four. I said it bright josh. Ha ha look at you got anything else. You want to save before we wrap up. No that was perfect. Jake do have to say two things. Quick linebacker calvin. Munson is joining. The dolphins practice squad per berry jackson and head coach bryan flora's declines to discuss darlington's reported comments on team onto but says to is our quarterback. He's had a good training. Camp made lots of progress. Made a lot of improvement. Were pleased with wary is so. That's that jake. Like jake said follow us all season. Long subscribe to the podcast. Leave us at review. Hit us up on twitter. Jiechi shots or good pal in earlier. I'm going to give a shoutout to a fan from overseas danny. So shout out. Danny but guys thank you so much for supporting the podcast. There's anything you want to do. Reach out to us. I am on twitter at haus h. O. u. t. z. That is the one the only the greatest co host. 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Death. Health. Comedy. (ep 56.)

Fantasy Theatre

34:20 min | 2 years ago

Death. Health. Comedy. (ep 56.)

"Last week Joe I completely completely struck you down when it came to the intro and after listening to it and I was like oh I felt I feel bad about that so bad so I wanNA give shot tonight. Go ahead. Give it to me telling other people. Were there about experience. No I'm good enough. Last week was enough for me. I know what happens when I fail here consequences suspend. I don't like consequences. What's it like to consequences. Does it feel bad to fail sometimes yeah. Don't worry about it man. We'll all be dead soon. Yeah yeah no need to worry about it thing now. We're going to really think about why worry. We're GONNA cut back to that. It's very what yeah we're GONNA. Come back to that. This is fantasy theater. I'm Spencer Foster. He's Joe Bail. He's happy to be here and so am I. I thought you were giving us a new name. I thought fantasy theater was reserved for unifrance Craig. Hey Man Star football. podcast probably needs to stay that way. Probably these stay that way. It also goes with fantasy football. It's true as much as we like to hide it. It's true where's the theater part in the fantasy. Football part was theater because that's how we met was from the theater You're like no. We'll leave that God I will do it anymore. Even though you know it was a great upgrade man. You got great guests. Ask you're able to actually have dialogue with somebody is a sawyer when I was sitting on the couch and never listened to show but when I was sitting on the couch for that five minutes I knew Spencer's true potential. He just needs. Somebody knew what they were talking about. What I'm not sure I'd change that much. I still still do a Lotta yelling yeah speaking of yelling Joe Bell. I don't actually have a segue boy yelling the talk about yelling. What do I wanNA come back to what we started with talking about not worrying death. That's a little yet death the inevitability of it except for me but you know I used to work at a funeral home something. I don't think we've ever discussed on the podcast and is so make great. Potential stories really really is for forty months between the age of eighteen and a little after I'd turned twenty two. I picked up over a thousand dead bodies ladies. That's what I did. It realize you'd really was this long. I thought it was like a two month summer thing and it's Cute Spencer. You're you know you're the real deal deal dude. I was August of two yeah. I guess we haven't even talked about it. This now August of two thousand ten to January of two thousand fourteen are all the way through that January January. I picked up dead bodies. We get called in the middle of the night to pick up bodies. I think the most ever gotten one night was five or six picked up over a thousand thousand during those forty months. I saw a lot of things things that legally. I'm not really supposed to talk about but I was thinking about it today. It hit me that talked about this with some people before that period of time in all the things I saw during that period of time. I'm still being shaped big time big time. My mind is still being shaped between eighteen and twenty two years old. Oh Yeah I could do it not impact me but ten years ago is going to have some permanent necks. I believe it. Did you even on ways that don't I'm not even conscious about but I do think some of the ways that I got called unsympathetic by a friend lint not too long ago five hundred dead bodies. I was like today I was thinking. Maybe that's one of the reasons who wants one of the reasons. I don't like last week. I was like I got news for you. People are two weeks ago. I was like on this podcast like a news forty. We're not precious you know and I think a lot of that has to do with me. Just seen death over and over again in honestly death became annoying to me. I was like well people like I would. I would get a death call. Sometimes I'd be like Nah. I'm sleeping thirty more minutes. The family can mentioned job to routine. Yes yeah and you know some of the some of the funeral directors they would talk about like you know you gotta remember. We do this every day. It's not like this every day for them. Yeah no crap. No we get it out but that doesn't stop it from coming. I don't know I don't know I look at it and I think you know. This is this is this is the end. This is where I end up. Some eighteen year old is driving me cross town. He's going to address me and put me on a table. Call a funeral director who does not want to be disturbed to come up there and embalm me yeah. It's frightening. How can you embalm. How how can somebody embalm? There's so few director at least the way we did it. They're they're supposed to come immediately like if I get a call at two. Am I'm supposed to call them as soon as I get done putting the body up and putting them in their proper position on the table so we're the funeral director can just come in and get started like right away. I mean like psychologically tall like is definitely like an incredibly important thing and I imagine that has to be the reasons like maybe when they were young. They really appreciate it like seeing them. One more time. So I understand is very important to a lot of people but like no possible way I could do that over. Never never again like a kid does crazy. I had a baby that was I don't know five or six months months that a set shot gun with me because I mean what are you GonNa. You'RE NOT GONNA put it on stretcher. De Sets Shotgun with me. I remember that weekend like calling my parents it'd be like I think I'm going to come home this weekend. I Bet Gosh I picked up a kid. That was my age one time. That was probably the most startling thing yeah yeah that was that was really tough. I remember that one and there was a kid that was few years older than me whose house else I went to and he had died because of alcohol poisoning any choked on his own vomit because he fell asleep bones back or whatever and we had to pick them up in the middle of nowhere be and my one hundred twenty pound female coworker went out there and that family was angry at us. Oh yeah yeah but I'm fine. I'm happy to be here. Yeah Yeah Anyway Jones thoughts on the funeral Peter Home you would say it. What did you say oh. This is what I wanted to say. Look we all have quirks right. You know if someone calls someone else weird. It's just like you know. We are all got something something going on. We've all got crossed bear little things that make us unique so to speak funeral. Directors are different breed. You may like there's a stereotype. I'm sure that a lot of people have about funeral directors like man. You gotta be weird be rounded by attemp. I got news for one hundred. That's not that's. I suspect I have never met one funeral director. That wasn't bet a lot more ahead private. I have a conversation with a lot of their disturbing could be disturbing eccentric sure sure I don't know I don't even know if it was that playful. Lotta Times with some of them is oh man. There should be a law that funeral homes can't hire people under twenty five for that job. Yeah that makes sense. That makes sense you know. Originally you have to get like a sign. Sign like psychiatrists say you're done yeah like I've. I've tested this guy. I've put a lot of negative stuff in said he's good. He's not taking anything in sent him. I had to pick up somebody that I knew one time. It was somebody that I met once at one particular night in Lake Charles at the town. I went to college in and then I had to pick them up like a year or two later and I remembered that person person. I think that it's the only time ever did anybody. I knew I was lucky to be in a town where I didn't grow up doing that because I assume if ed to pick up somebody. I knew I think I just wouldn't I think I'd just be like nope that I would think if they were live. They wouldn't let me do in that either right. I want somebody else yeah yeah. You don't let me accidentally hitting your head off. It's like trying to get on my phone and trail. Fancy players to there are so so many things so many stories that is so many things. I can't say I feel like I can't say about the future hall so we'll definitely they have to do. I don't know just emails fancy theater. You gotta ride is like a pen name like somebody like pretender from Utah or something anonymous well. No they come up with a name. You just pretend you're in a different city right everything like the exact same way. Oh No. I changed names in ninth grade. I wrote a story sorry. They got me suspended for two days to bail changed. All the names is a class C school. Everyone knew who I was talking about but I changed the names. I changed the subjects. They talk to spend two days. Cigarettes is Oh man parents clean toilets who that your longest suspension yeah that was really good. Kid Yeah really good then. I started picking up dead body here we are. I got a lot in a lot trouble in in middle school. I've gone to a lot of trouble and high school. It was fun okay so you mellowed it out. I don't know maybe started getting in that thirty year old lane yeah yeah the thing that made me think about this was. I've been watching the show called lodge forty nine. It's like a little friend of the show. I wouldn't like. I wouldn't make it if you ought to be. I wouldn't shout to the heavens like Oh man you. GotTa gotTa Watch Lodge Forty nine but it's it's a friend and occasionally. It's very site for show but one of the funnier things said that maybe think about all all this was he was he was trying to comfort somebody who was who had just gotten married and he said just keep hanging on with the right kind of support. You'll get to place where your religious too tired to care about anything that is that he was talking to a married person but I was. That's pretty good for life vitually just hitting the head so many times that you go yeah. I'm shocked Marianne. That horror show on it is yeah. It's a French horror. Show It's very good. It's about like demonic possession and stuff and it's about this rider who here is everything she has written and she's written four books in the past this will come true coup and so like she's living in one of her books and she's trying to like figure out what what happens next but she like other stuff is just inevitable in it but it's really interesting says it's scary so some parts of scary. I mean I would but it's not like it's not really that scary but some parts some parts pre pre freaky my check it out. Yeah wipe will be going this weekend. My turn WANNA series yeah. Okay absolutely my if you ain't yard be is a show on HBO. If you ain't ain't watching the night off you ought to be the reason I was late today to this podcast is because I didn't realize the finale that shows an hour and a half is eight episodes long. It came out in two thousand fourteen or two thousand thirteen. I think it's I don't like stop and shows post in the middle. I like to finish it. I told her I was like we can start this bill going to push the pod back because I am not stopping especially not the finale the finale come on the night of net flicks. It's a greater. It's a courtroom drama but it's also prison drama. It's a mystery. It's very in tents in the last episode. I found myself getting very angry at some of the decisions. The characters were making That's no you're super invested in it. I I loved did the night off can't recommend it more gabled no it's on HBO. Thanks for asking Engineer Caleb. Did I say net flicks. I Apologize Biologists. It's on it's on HBO well. I'm saying HBO now. Leave it alone. I've corrected corrected it several times over over doubt we all we re letters for every mistake. We make up no somebody somebody went on Netflix. Somebody started emailing us if you were playing a fantasy theater drinking game intriguing games. They're like oh if that person on that TV show says their catchphrase you get a drink yeah yeah we were playing. I somebody at home was play. The Fancy Theater drinking game saying Caleb would definitely be on the squares joe bill talking about video games would be on there. What else would to be on the squares? Well Lizard yelling can find out the rest of what is on the fancy theater drinking game for a quick payment of fifteen dollars fourteen ninety nine it onto our patron fancy theater the one with Joe podcast Dot Patriots Dot Com fifteen dollars payment payment. We will ship your drinking game right away and you'll get to see all the boxes. We have about Caleb but we can't say anything if a the patriotic money while give him one more ts one of them is if part of the studio falls on one of the US yeah. That's on their double. Shah they Geico you beat me to do but I got something else for you this week. got something else for you know in my current job I do not. I'm not a fulltime podcast hard to believe hard to believe not. I don't do it fulltime. Don't do it fulltime. I do what you have to send me some of your other stuff fourteen ninety ninety any say what a bargain what I do. Sometimes I go to health fairs. I go to health fairs. What is a a health fair well. I see signs for them. I would never they're they're different kinds but it's basically for all the health related businesses to find an excuse just to go to somewhere to tell people like etta meal or at a plant about hey if you if you get hurt on the job you know we're here for you know They're mixed back. Even the good ones are mixed bags but they can be fun. You can have engaging conversations. I can't throw a little performance element into stuff and sometimes people are just like okay. Give me free stuff and leave me alone all right. You don't know how good you got it talking to me on. This is free leading. Let you free usually fourteen ninety nine yeah. The one of the things at a recent health fair was that I don't know what the company was but it was like tobacco booth that was just like not tobacco. Tobacco is bad for you. I'm just like you know. I don't think look people are always going to do that. People are always gonNA smoke or use tobacco but I don't think anyone's on the other side of that. I don't think anybody in that room needed to be reminded. Hey Smoking gives you cancer. We need a booth. We still need a booth in two thousand nineteen. There's no way there's a real organizations. I think there's just fronts like Ho Ho hide money in. I think that's how they advertised. BECO- oh I think because upset or get in their mind absolutely there's so many different laws or whatever I don't know all that but they can't on TV right yeah but they like basically you only only see it at like gas stations like where you pump like at the Walmart gas station. They're always like this much for a carton or whatever yeah time ever see it so maybe all these he's booths at the L. Fair talking about tobacco are just a way to get tobacco in front of people makes sense. Doesn't it I mean it's either that or like like I said they're just like fake. Fronts like people to like some rich guy like yeah million dollars to tobacco tax off yeah. It's like the money doesn't even get spent. There's just like people randomly go to health fair to say that they're still an organization he just that's just a way to hide hide the money right. That's the way for me to hide my time at work. No I do important work at these. Things talked ought to lot of people saving a lot of people getting people out the OPIOID. You've heard of the OPIOID epidemic. No haven't sweeps that elimidate about it look ninety six out of a hundred druid citizens hundred residents. Louisiana had been prescribed an opioid substance this year alone Joe Bill Ninety six out of one hundred ninety six percent. This lot drugs drugs folks. This is so we do this is what we do here in America but there are like companies that profit from doctors prescribing that would be crazy okay. That'll be a really messed up healthcare so that was happening. I be concerned. Maybe they actually genuinely the newly need it. I think they've got good intentions. They've got such good intentions and this this might flabbergasted you and I was flabbergasted. I went to you a opioid summit this past week that opioid summit. I was never heard of opioids but that sounds interesting. The governor of our state just released his plan his response Johnny now epidemic yeah yeah if you want to give away what state were in it sure seems like Adr address and social security number on the pod basically anyway his response forty six page document. I skimmed it. I certainly did so one of the things that this summit one of their parts. It's one of the ways to combat the OPIOID. Epidemic is something called Matt. Matt stands for medicated assisted assisted treatment. New is math that were drugs to get you off drugs basically the to get you out there. There are going to increase you. Cold Turkey baby man sweat it out like a man sweat it out deborah. I don't care that the surgeon gave you eighty peels last month. Oh is your backyard. Get back in the room. Shut the door. I'm sorry it's just a week of pain and misery and then when you get back on your man. It really sucked to get off. It lasts not GonNa do that. Yeah say they're take their changed. They're like we're GONNA increase access to Methadone. somebody needs to go into more detail about. Methadone because that sounds horrible none of these sound i. I don't know I'm pro easing down. I'm I'm formerly issuing a disagreement. Aim was Spencer on this part. You produce just heard about opium opium opioid a few minutes ago but I'm I'm about easing down about and he's down but here's what was not talked about. It was basically like opioids over here. We just gotTa live with them. There wasn't any like this is how we get doctors to do other methods in maybe not prescribed them in the first place. There was none of that it I was just like. You're addicted now. What we're here for you. Yeah it's true. It's either like jail or some other like we're meth like you know mm-hmm the phase down like it just feels like they were. They weren't really giving solutions ocean's. It was just like they're defeated now. How do we live loud. We live in our defeat defense a man then where the energy needs to be focused right now as a Vaping Ping. There were two people that died in California in a year. That's too much probably two hundred thousand people die your tobacco but at first I don't think that's right. It's probably very high yeah definitely yeah to hear really. That's what they're worried about. Well I think they're worried that these things happen and people got pneumonia and they weren't are like fully vetted by the FDA but in reality. I mean like two deaths year. I'm sorry is not worth Finney government spending any time doing anything on we hit thousand down to write a tweet ten thousand assistant looking looking enough is enough. Someone needs to do something. Let us know what you're mad about next week yeah speaking of that. Do you want to go into this and L. Thing yeah we can. You'd send me an article a- tell me a little bit more about the listeners about the article the article. ooh I forget what the author I never heard. His name pronounced site. I don't WANNA DO RAMA's seat. something is very at author bread a couple of things they did but he had like an interesting take on the whole thing as his like. I guess main point was the whole oh like like outrage over like quote unquote. Cancel culture is basically Akon job to make people upset and make people spend money in that. There's actually like a very lucrative kind of hustle for people that can focus on that because there's a lot of people that that WANNA react negatively to it and so I guess I guess his main point was like okay. A lot of these people that got quote unquote cancelled are either doing better or have faced like no actual consequences winces and are maybe even like feeding off right. Just Kinda read out. Maybe a little bit of a rough patch and then you might be bigger than ever when you come out the other side yeah and I I agree with everything and is are the examples they made in the in the post but general the theme of it. Yeah probably kind of buy into it a little this goes back to kind of the beginning of the pod where I worry about anything so here's my deal with. Let's talk about the SNL gas specifically typically yeah and I don't know a lot of specifics on this. I'm going to say that up front and they're like the offing but he was older podcasts not unlike this yeah and he he said some pretty insensitive things some might say racist things. SM- about people of Asian culture and when I I heard the comments my thought when is usually is it funny like that's what I'm thinking. Is it funny or not yeah. What are you saying. It was not funny. I didn't find funny and that was basically the end of my thought yeah. I'm not like what a cruel son of a gun water insensitive you. You Know Person Yeah but I'm also a straight white male so I don't really experience many things like that. It made in America so we're we're not the two people to talk about this necessarily but here's my thing with jokes. I know there's a time and a place not not to say certain jokes and avoid them so I do censor myself. Don't want to say I don't but I really think nothing's off the table. You just gotTa have the right audience in being the right atmosphere podcast where everyone can listen to. Maybe maybe don't use that that joke. What's the most controversial thing we've set me. Run it over elderly. Yeah I think so shoot. I'd make that joke. My parents worry about that. Although I will say if we run for office we probably need you to lead. All these files. Caleb is smiling. He's he's. He's got so much much thinking about other stuff. We cut out who another we cut out that you say on a weekly basis we go down my goodness way so not. I'm disagreeing with you but I just want to understand your. What is your so your point again. I I don't know but I don't. I like a time and a place and if you're if you're obviously doing something improper. I think if you're not if it's not coming from cruel spot which I don't think his is. He hates Asian People I. I don't see the problem what his problem was. He wasn't funny right. You GotTa be fun. If you funny. I can pretty much forgive any job yeah the thing. I don't understand like about the risk of doing. It is like stuff like that like okay like a lot of times. I don't really even understand stand point of like edgy comedy like not that I I would consider myself a prude or anything like I'm. I'm not like a lot of that stuff. I find funny and I don't really get offended or anything but I just like like a lot of that. Stuff is not by itself funny and like like a couple years from now like I think something thing with like the intent of being edgy and pushing boundaries if there's no like underlying lake societal message or like something like behind it if you're just trying to be edgy and funny like I don't a lot of that stuff I don't think is actually funny like it might be like you might it might people might laugh just because of the the like they're uncomfortable and like the tension that it causes that they would ever say that l. out not not at their workplace or something they're like Oh. We're getting away with something here. Do you have like a lot of times. It's just not that funny and like a few years from now when you're looking back at stuff like that and like stuff is no longer edgy edgy or like the boundaries are way different than that's not going to be fine at all like like take for instance like black face like the people who did black face in the back in the day probably thought that was like the funniest stuff ever like looking at it now. It's not it's not funny at all like not because it's offensive like well. Yes very offensive but that's not the reason that it's not funny. It's just like right. We don't get did all my says what you just look stupid like no like your grandpas. Oh I like you know like Oh yeah. That was Eh Graham Gooch like God dude. Lee Loan so why. I don't understand that a lot of edgy comedy. I think is kind of like that and I just I don't it's. It's not timeless. Not The three stooges yeah you know. That's what we've learned. Edgy comics not the three stooges. You hear that Dave I should pay. You're going to be relevant in yes dave with all your edginess no date. I liked it. I like Dave to what I don't understand like. I guess the thing that made like everyone upset was like the Michael Jackson stuff right. Oh Yeah I guess but yeah the worst one thing like who is who is actually actually upset about stuff that has like a very questionable thing like like a Lotta people will write articles like in though just like three or four tweets this and they'll like purposely trying to create something to generate publicity and stuff but the one thing I didn't get like okay this. He made the same joke ten years ago and not like why was it not offensive then. Why isn't it now. I- wise Dave chapelle making the exact same joke these these exact same joke he did new audience but but like what's going on with debt like I duNNo I do. I do not think it's debatable like Daesh. Bell is funny but he's not as funny as he was. I don't know what do you think that I I couldn't intake. He got he got the net flicks check. Maybe he's gotTa regurgitate some stuff and just kind of remoulded for a new generation yeah. The one of the things that was mentioned in that article was the effect. It's had on smalltime authors or authors that are trying to get books out like fantasy fiction books. Oh yeah might be young adults of the young adult stuff and then people were just like before the books even released criticizing some of the ways the what some of the races are portrayed later whatever the case may have been that's crazy to me. Someone can't write a book in America and just Hey. You don't like the books they don't like the book. They'll try to stop it from coming out yeah. You're right what you could write the story. You want to tell you know. That's a lot of publishing consequence. Yeah yeah if that's cool with it yeah and then people hated don't cancel it. I you can buy that yeah a lot of places tonight. Joe Bell A lot of places. We laughed a lot last week. This week had some Scottish made you think yeah maybe maybe we can tie that into the new name but yeah. I guess the thing I was just thinking about like overall with this thing along with what we were talking about was like we were mad. All the time like people like people are mad because they're offended mid and then people react and are mad now that they can't say what they used to say without any consequences so like we're all mad and it kind of makes you think like okay. Somebody's making money office like the same people are playing both sides allies of us and they're making just a tremendous amount of money for us to be mad and scared and angry all the time. There's there's this like before. You react to just react in your mind. Mike think like okay somebody's getting paid and maybe maybe that's got has something to do with what you're thinking. Follow the money gangs of gangs of New York great movie. I think it's still on Netflix Martin Scorsese movie one of the politicians Titians in that movie had a quote that was like worst comes to worst second always expect half the poor to kill the other half of the poor. That'll solve our problems. That's what I think about all the time with the Democrats Republic thing like you're all just don't strings. You're just being played with even when you think you're right the most right to your a court. Somebody is pulling that string. Somebody is bitter fitting. Somebody's profiting from laughing at you. Screw quakers ars the

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