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"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Because the economists said there's no way that we're gonna be fully recovered even close to it by two thousand and ten and that's a leading indicator beyond which we had won a lot of seats in republican-leaning areas that we really had no business holding so the combination of those two things made me believe now the depth of it. I think we lost. What sixty three seats you know i. I didn't forecast that. But i really thought we were going to get our asses kicked one of the reasons why announced five months before that election that i'd be leaving the white house after the first two years was that i knew that there would be a parade leading out of town. If i didn't leave on my own volition being the political guy in the white house. So i had a very strong feeling that it was going to be very tough and i don't have that feeling about twenty twenty two but i do have a very strong feeling that it's going to be challenging for biden just because of historical headwinds plus redistricting much as we had to deal with in two thousand ten so democrats have have a real challenge ahead of themselves but hopefully not a sixty three seat challenge. I don't even know if that's possible anymore. And as polarized as we are as a as a country. So i think we took care flipping that yeah there. There have jack all right guys. Well a laco. and on and We'll see other saw unfolds. Bill kristol newly minted sort of demi democrat. It's good to be with you. Judge at that good phrase. During the campaign he wanted to reach out to democrats independents and future former republicans. And i've been using that phrase for about a year and a half but if someone pointed out to the other day you know there's only so long future form of someplace y- yeah we'll see. Well maybe when you take over the mcauliffe administration that'd be that would be the appropriate time they come on and bill the water's fine orders so so but better than the republican side. Right now. i. I don't car with that. You're going to start off by lying to but anyway the good to see what the cba thanks guys..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"All about is so bill kristol. Eric asks i really feel that. The timing of the syrian refugee crisis and the isis attacks in europe helped to make trump's message of xenophobia and anti leftism really stick in two thousand fifteen. Should we be worried. That an afghan refugee crisis coupled with the videos of al qaeda. Back to openly training on monkey bars will breathe. New life into the xenophobic nationalist camp here in america and in europe. I think we should worried. I be worried. I what happened in two thousand fourteen happens now in or conceivably pakistan. Which is you know. We pulled out of iraq. Twenty eleven things. Were okay for a couple of years and then by twenty fourteen. We had this terrible isis. Aycell you know islamic state and we had americans being killed. God knows thousands of thousands of iraqis and others being killed slaughters. We had to go back in out. There was also having not into syria. We can debate about that for for for five or six hours but we then ended up with a terrible syrian and most syrian refugee crisis in two thousand fourteen fifteen which then led a genuine crisis but then led to terrible political ramifications in europe and ultimately here. I very much greed. Sally fox news showing the syrian refugees. Europe in two thousand fifteen Made a huge impact beyond the actual to end the terror attacks europe the terror attacks year which were not particularly connected to syrian refugees but which trump lumped altogether the muslim ban and that led to trump and trumpism. And all that so. That's a terrible sequence of events. I worry quite a bit. That aid is terrible sequence of events in the real world as we did in twenty fourteen. Two thousand fifteen In the because of afghanistan which would then lead to a terrible series of events in reaction politically in in the west and in the us. But i do think. The afghan refugees are different from the syrian refugees. And this is where i think biden needs now though to be pretty aggressive at explaining that this is. We're proud to take these people. We're taking as many as possible. That's why i think even for political point of view let alone humanitarian point of view pushing to extend the deadline deadline. Not looking like we're we got all the americans out we've got some afghans Afghans we're not gonna to run a risk to get more out of. That would be a mistake. I think he needs to make sure in the real world and we don't have a twenty fourteen twenty fifteen type situation and politically that he Takes advantage frankly of the fact that i think american very well disposed to the afghans. Who want who helped us. And who stood up For principles we care about and believe in and help them and help them get out. Yeah well. I hope you're right again as we said earlier. I hope you're right. We owe these people. They put their lives on the line for us. I have a different view on refugee issues. Generally being the son of one so But i- in this case i think a debt is owed a debt needs to be paid Robert gibbs matthew says i am a young campaign manager managing my first state senate race for a democrat in the bay area yikes we start off fundraising strong but have hit a lull since the summer months and are encountering crickets from the elected democratic establishment. What would be a good time to call it quits so he can potentially run for another office in the future or would be a good idea to soldier on until the end of the year. I sure hope his candidate doesn't listen to hack song tap because not gonna forge a relationship there may be should. Maybe we should change the name there so that maybe he already did a hopefully so hopefully a couple of practical things Most of which is Fundraising in the summer is never A robust thing. I think every time i've ever seen a fundraising budget You know ju- late july mid to late july and august are not seen as munson. Which a lot of fundraising contributions tend to come in. It's it's hard to get people to focus on Going to a fundraiser. Or giving money because they're worried about their summer and they're worried about all the other stuff that we talked about the in this episode in terms of the establishment. And and what you should do in the timetable. I'd give it a few more months in the fall see if your fundraising picks up See if you're outreach. Picks up see if you can convince others that your candidacy in the candidacy of your candidate is actually viable. But give it a few more months to figure that out. Don't just pull the plug right at the end of summer given a few more months And see if you can't figure out a pathway to win if you can at that point it's honorable not to go on and since you addressed this question to robert gibbs. He will come out and do a fundraiser candidates even email your information acts on tap at gmail.com where people should send their questions and robert will be out there with his sandwich board as sometime in the near future One thing that young man. When i see. He's encountering crickets from the elected. Democratic establishment part of me says okay so run against the elected democratic establishment. I mean i. I made a pretty good living doing that. And i i shouldn't. I wouldn't be discouraged by that but you don't want to be caught. No-man's-land warrior seeking the approbation of the democratic establishment. You're not getting it. And you're not taking advantage of being an insurgent so I would think think about that. You got one for me on the way out here. I do acts acts win in the run-up this from jack win in the run up to the twenty ten elections. Did you start to see signs. That would be a tough one for democrats. Were there early warning signs of the famous shellacking that went ignored at that time. win ignored at the time that democrats should look out for now. The gods honest truth. Jack is i can tell you the exact date. I had this conversation. Robert gibbs was in the same room when we got briefed on the economic situation december sixteenth. Two thousand eight while we were told what we were going to face because the country hadn't yet totally come to grips with the depth of the economic crisis and it was such a jarring presentation so depressing as we walked out of the room. I turned to the president. Elect barack obama. Said we're gonna get our asses kicked in the midterms..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Know who else probably could use some painkillers this week. Nancy pelosi nancy. pelosi who Is trying to threaten a trying to thread. The needle. Probably threatened to but trying to thread the needle here and get the two factions of her party together to try to advance the two. Big pieces of biden's agenda the the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill. And you know it is as we speak. I mean i guess. They're intimations josh goth heimer. Who's the leader of this moderate group that is rebelling against the reconciliation bill Or at least moving together with the infrastructure booth said. We're close to a deal and so on but it just speaks to. How if i were. I'd want to get the hell out of there. I mean it's just so hard with three vote majority and you know you just get extorted at every at every turn. I assume you guys that she's going to get this done. 'cause she's good at it but she's struggling more than i've seen her have to struggle in a really long time To try and keep this thing together and you know the thing. I don't understand is if i'm a democratic legislator now maybe gotham who comes from a wealthy new jersey suburb To be seen in this light but if these bills were actually go down. That's a disaster for democrats. That's a disaster for biden. You ought to go into the midterm empty-handed and say we had a chance to do something about infrastructure. We had a chance to do something about child Child care we. And but i i didn't liked the sequencing so So we just killed the whole thing seems insane to me yet it is. I mean i. It's your party is your party and maybe not quite yet mine at a little faster coming over. If i didn't see the up close and with a more sympathetic than i used to and thinking. Geez what is going on there. I think it's not too. I mean it's perfectly reasonable to say when we get to reconciliation. I'm going to be a much narrower. Reconciliation bill than the biden administration suggests that it gets too much money. That's kind of the mansion position but to actually threatened to bring down the rule into totally bolic's up the house. Deliver a defeat to biden pelosi outta sequencing question which the weather. She was wiser not to go with the sequencing. The first place she's speaker she's they've decided to do it biden's behind her so there's a certain maybe you're not aware of this. The democrats. Did you have a slight tendency to manage to turn what looks like a pretty good situation. I mean they get this infrastructure. They get nineteen republican votes including mitch mcconnell for infrastructure bill in the senate which is a pretty big government bill that they should like wanna run on and they've now totally overtaken that story with squabbling in the house over the sequencing of infrastructure and reconciliation. It's it's an. It's an accomplishment by the democrats. You gotta say you know. We should warn you that We've never describe yourselves as an organized. political party. I don't know exactly what you're whether earl tribe is an example of coherence and either but no. Yeah i mean. I think what it reflects. Is that the progressives of which there are more At least more who are willing to say we'll tank the thing. They are mistrustful of mansion of cinema. And so on. And everybody is leveraging to try and get as much into this this reconciliation bill. So we'll see. I mean i still continue to believe this will get done. I cannot imagine they are going to let it not get done and annual. But it'll be fun to watch pelosi navigate this because she's better than anybody at it and you simple. I don't know why should the sequencing thing she does what she needs to do to try and get things done. This wasn't an ideological position. I think she made the judgment whether it was you know. Maybe she could've site differently. I have no idea. But no i think she knows what she's doing it at some point. If you're i mean josh got heimer. I'm i know a bit and I don't know quite what he's up to honestly but you cannot. I mean the party as a whole you guys went through this. No nine ten. I mean and clinton people went through it ninety two ninety four. You need to win on your big issues when you take over when you win the presidency from the other party and when congress both houses of congress one of them at least from the other party and you happened in this case to have particularly narrow margins you gotta win on your biggest priorities of the party has to understand on this that they rise or fall together and no one's going to john is not gonna win in new jersey if the whole biden administrations in shambles and the party. Looks like it's disarray. They didn't get stuff through. I think so. He can make his little point here. Tell people in northern jersey that he's fighting hard for the salt deduction for the extremely wealthy people. He has in this district but he at some point he has to make sure they have to make sure that they that they succeed in general as a party in governing the country and i totally agree with what are they going to be said before too. It's important that biden succeed. I mean it's important for the country that the by administration be a successful administration or i wonder whether there's some point and it may be right now as we speak and he's looking a pelosi in the i Whether got heimer says holy shit. I'm out here on this high wire. And i better figure out a way to get get down from here. 'cause it's a long way down. Well i think that's what i mean. You know by all accounts that the the real discussion between pelosi in the these now. Tout's moderates didn't really begin until yesterday. Because i think she thought they'd realize they were marching themselves into a corner in which they were not likely to get any real tangible benefit from into to to the point that all of you have made and she made in the caucus it is mutually assured destruction to not get this done And to bills point you just got amherst not gonna win because everything is in flames but somehow he got a tax deduction for state and local..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"For the last forty years on on foreign policy you remember that general mcchrystal was fired because his staff in front of a reporter were ridiculing biden mcchrystal who. I have a really high regard for by the way but didn't say anything didn't do anything so that became an issue and he got fired for this so bite. I think there was a by. He's there was a attitude. I'm the commander in chief now. I'm going to end the war that we should have ended when i said we should wound down and I'm gonna you know. And and i think he was very defiant about it. And i think it got his way here Because you did have to separate out the principle of getting out from the execution which by the time he spoke was clearly not going well and part of leadership is to stand up and say this hasn't gone the way it should have and we're gonna fix it right you know and i and that's he didn't do that in all week long. He kind of repeated his his mantra about a. You know the forever wars and ending the war and he was right and so on So i think he was hurt by that. I think he'd diminished his argument by being so insistent without acknowledging the other piece which was planning execution kind of you know seem to outrun his ambitions to t- to end the war so You know as as bill said as you have said You know we move forward now. And we'll see how this unfolds. It is extraordinary to watch the us military inaction here And and catch up And make up for lost time You know and we'll have to root for them and you know. I'm rooting for him. I want this. I want this to be a a seamless as well. Can't be seamless by want this transition to work But just rhetorically. I think he he was hemmed in by his own sort of history and and it hurt him. In this instance. This may be emblematic. I think a little bit of what you talked about accident. i think. Biden sort of stubbornness not to administer. Here i think his prolonged the coverage of the mistake and not really brought us to a discussion about whether leaving afghanistan was the right thing to do. I thought that we're gonna play a clip here from a an interview over the weekend. Martha raddatz interviewed former chair of the joint chiefs of staff. Admiral mike mullen who i thought. This interview was I it's gutsy it it's reflective You don't really see that happening a lot in in the decision making process but mike mullen. Who is you mentioned was in all those situation. Room meetings and and pushing back on what biden was saying and and trying to convince did convince president obama to surge troops. There now admits the body was right. And let's listen to a little. That sound what. I thought we could do and advise president obama that accordingly. I thought we could turn it around. Obviously i was wrong. Yeah and he's expanded on that but first of all. I have a really regard for admiral. Mullen i think he's a very thoughtful And committed person and And yeah that it was striking though that he and you know frankly the ability to go back and say yeah we. I thought my expectations were wrong. I is part of leadership. It's part of leadership all right. Hold that thought. We're going to take a short break and now a word from our sponsor robert one of the things that i so dreaded. When i was growing up was being nauseous. I just could not stand it but you know one out of three. Americans regularly suffers from nausea. We've all experienced that horrible feeling whether it's in the back seat of a car staring at your phone and you know you can speak to this after one too many on a night out with friends or even just the anxiety of a work day nasha can ruin a day. Force us to change our plans. In the most severe cases nasha can make us unable to function. and for those of you who can relate. We've got some good news you've got to check out. Relief band relief. 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"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Hey up a chair. Tax on tap with. David axelrod robert gibbs and mike murphy added evacuated. Thousands of people from kumble is going to be hard and painful no matter when it started when we began would have been true if we had started a month ago or a month from now. There is no way to evacuate this. Many people without pain and loss heartbreaking images. You see on television. So robert gibbs that was the president of the united states on his third or fourth Effort to explain what was going on in in afghanistan Good to see you. I wanna say to everybody including our buddy bill kristol. Who's standing by here. I had a little oral surgery this week. I'm hopped up on painkillers. I'm offering that as a disclaimer. For anything i say during this During this podcast but it strikes me you guys that there are a lot of people in washington. Who would like painkillers right now. There's been a terrible week. It you mean you're not just talking about your oral surgery. Now you're talking about writ large. Did you experiment large yet writ. Large i feel. I mean bill kristol. You're a veteran of the white house. whatever you think about what happened. I watched jake sullivan on sunday You know on some of the sunday shows. I barely recognize them You know. His eyes were sunken He was sallow. And it's very clear you know that. He is absorbed You know totally and trying to trying to navigate through all this. And i'm sure everybody there is doing the same. You know anyone who's been in the white house knows what that's like It's not it's it's a terrible terribly difficult feeling. Yeah it seems like they have pulled it together. A little bit of the last forty eight hours speaking what midday tuesday and i'm hopeful that we get a lot all the americans out obviously and then a lot of afghans and do so without you know it's going to be messy as the president said but without Disaster i'm worried about the deadline. August the thirty first of it wasn't my preferred policy but to be fair the president ran on it and do some bewildered why they didn't in the four-month since was fourteen that he announced it. It didn't organize better to think through. How do we get the civilians out. Not just the military at the afghans out. Not just the americans. How do we handle the possibility of army and the government falling apart faster than than we expected and so forth but Honest feels like this is the by demonstrations. They do this a fair amount. They don't do a great job on the first of a policy and they don't always get perfectly organized ahead of time on something but they do a b. They don't like criticism and As i've heard from people and you guys were snow here. This might have gotten involved and and see they. Do we act though. They do adjust i would say they don't stick their head in the senate. I don't think general and so some of the things you can't make up for unfortunately if if some afghan translator is not in coppell and is in hiding or is being persecuted by taliban as we speak. That's not something you can make up for of time. Maybe some of it couldn't be stopped anyway but they do adjust that i feel like the military's pretty good at this to once they see. Okay this is the situation. And i'm a little more hopeful than i was two or three days ago robert. That's that seems to be what they're banking on you know I saw ron claim Tweeted out the announcement. That thirty seven thousand people have been evacuated. Which is a substantial Number and you know david sanger said once someone in the administration told him you know we're we're we're going to be judged by what happens to the next two weeks not the last two weeks and That's you know. I think that's that's their beyond the obvious moral and strategic obligation to to to pull this off. I think as a political matter. They think that that that they can get some redemption if they get it right. I'm not entirely sure they're right on on how this is going to be judged generally the the i will note. I don't think we'll know the final grade for quite some time But i you know. I grew bill. I think credit where credit is due. I think that number now is even even north of the number you gave axe. I think we're about fifty thousand people evacuated. And i think they've done it in an extraordinary amount of time but also to bill's point on the organization of this. Now you're beginning to see stories of you know over welcomed in in in cutter having to absorb all of these Evacuees and to some degree Afghan refugees and one had to wonder if you knew. This was coming to bill's point You wouldn't have been overwhelmed at the place where you needed to put the people because you would have known how many people you needed to get out when you needed to get out. So i still think there's some real troubling questions around the evacuation of this and if you look at the nbc news. Poll twenty five percent of the public had confidence or supported his handling and afghanistan. Now i don't i don't i don't quibble about whether twenty five is good and fan fairness plus or minus four so to your point exit could be as high as twenty nine percent of the people but no mean i look i think to me. The the politics of this particularly in in its impact of of biden is not going to be on whether or not it's popular to leave afghanistan. I still think it it. It is yeah. I think people can before leaving afghanistan Feel badly or disapprove of how we're leaving. I still think the danger to him as we've talked about before is their series of traits. He ran on to be president right. He was going to provide calmness. Not chaos right. That empathy was going to be an empathetic president. I think we all agree that he has been in. Probably at the core of it that there was a level of both foreign policy expertise and competence that would be infused again into the oval office. And i think that's to me the real danger for the biden team right now in the short term is the hit that it takes on that. I think if you look at approval ratings over the weekend and the public polling afghanistan is weighing heavily on added covert and other things that i know. Get to I think it's the values and traits that that joe biden wants to be of as bitter the real potential challenges right now on this august thirty first date a bill. I don't exactly understand arrived there. Maybe maybe you do. But deadlines seem very treacherous here and now. He's he's been a vice today because our european allies were strongly supportive of extending the deadline. Apparently the president set Sent bill burns the cia director. Who's a really tremendous diplomat To talk to the leader of the taliban in kabul yesterday presumably to see about extending that deadline and I you know judging from the fact that the president now says we're going to stick to the deadline that meeting didn't go particularly Well so now you know. This is quite a task. They're they've taken on here to try. And in the remaining days of august Get everyone out Including people who are not in kabul and they need to get out of the country. It's i. I don't exactly understand why they set up that tests. And maybe it's to get out before the nine eleven anniversary. I don't know but They could they could come to regret that. I've got to think he's also we'll slide that deadline when it really comes to it because look the most important thing obviously both moral and political humanitarian strategic. Point of view is how it actually comes out not just in a week or a month or two or six or twelve and if to the degree that we look if because of a truly arbitrary deadline what is august thirty. I have to do with anything. It was originally going to be september. Eleventh suggestion suddenly Which biden seemed to think was a good idea to make it on the twentieth anniversary of nine. Eleven which i do. Snakes shows a certain he's deeply believed in this..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Skullduggery
"So if that's the case it would you know what do you think can zinger and cheney's vision is what's their what's their long term goal here There clearly buying a whole lot of trouble with the republican party. Cutting themselves off from a lot of the support that the party has given them a drawing. You know opponents in their pre primary opponents. What's their what's their long term strategy. So i think they. I think they've they're doing the right thing. And i think those cases honestly they really are doing it because they believe they're doing the right thing. I know them both well. I was disappointed in them and argue. That over the last couple of years they stayed loyal enough to trump Pretty outspoken cheney lasso but that they both supporters reelection and i remember saying to them to others close to them. You can't possibly think secretary for donald. Trump is a good idea. Incidentally after everything we've learned how this all those people in the middle were you know kind of ood merrill problems with trump Second i'm going to endorse reelection. Everything from the wall street journal editorial board types to view types to ton of congressmen and senators who privately had doubts about trump. How do they feel now. I'd like some of the come out. Safe won't be helpful to more than followed at least which any getting upset said they. They're happy trump didn't win a second term. They regret having supported trump. they wouldn't support again. In james case. I think this is true of kensington. They won't support mccarthy speaker because he's been so accommodating to and so much of an apology apologised for trump so he bits maybe. Maybe it's too much felt that people go all way. But i think you can imagine again the kind of inbetween position where people do they do have an effect on on on people sort of not being enthusiastic about trump for twenty twenty four and about the trump candidates in twenty twenty two inches of their own futures. I mean getting his district in redistricting. Jamie's got the big challenge. Wyoming devised that she'll be Reelected she'll be a member of the house. She won't be part of the republican leadership. But she so at odds with much party on on. This is pretty fundamental issue right now. That maybe it's better to be leadership. And i you know she's doing what you think is right to the degree. That is a political 'calculation. It is as you suggested. Cut a long term. It's not a two months of novelist janet. He's gonna be have wildly favorable numbers. Republican mob Two years from now our maybe four or five or six years from now people are going to say you know what i at the time i thought she picked a fight she didn't need to. She was too outspoken. She exaggerated the problems but now acknowledged that she was right or at least more right than wrong. Have you had a chance to talk to her at all in the run-up to these hearings Have you given her the benefit of any of your advice. No not directly and so let me ask you about the politics of these hearings in particular because clearly everyone who was all of the members the democrats and the republicans there were there because they genuinely feel outrage over what happened and that has to be a serious investigation. But there's also always politics involved as well and i'm curious how you think this plays out politically for the democrats whether you think. In retrospect it was helpful or or still. Maybe think it was a mistake. That pelosi refused to seat either. Jim banks or jim jordan. What do you think the politics are from the perspective of of democrats in this hearing. So i don't know how to vote on this twenty twenty two. Obviously so it'll become one data point among many in the general image of the parties. But i think it helps the democrats in the sense in two sentences reminds people that this is this is this is what happened. January six is what will end up getting reminded. What trump didn't In the lead up to january sexes including the noon that day when he spoke the rally also he didn't do as the capital was being attacked. And i've always thought that part has been a little bit under sort of emphasize Because i served in the white house. They did that. Fresno united states doesn't immediately call an extra security council meeting the department of justice department on the phone make sure every asset of the. Us government is used to protect our own capital. You know from an assault is just unbelievable to me. So trump's dereliction of duty is negligence willful negligence On the side of the people doing is something i think. We'll brought home a little more over the next few months in that will in turn reflects on a republican party sixty percent of which the house members at least of which on the evening of january six voted to overturn election results. Having seen what happened as a result of the big lie during the day on january six. So i think you know insofar as that issue is one of many. That people are voted on twenty twenty. Two it's a insofar as it just makes the republicans look as responsible really as they truly were keeps that a lot that way keeps keeps the the memory of that a little more alive and i think that's good for the democrats. You know marginal way the thing. I would say it has been commented on. Maybe i see this what i would. Are you like. The judge said we were future former republican so i thought the democrats. Some of the biggest. The biggest lease idea certain stripe of not very friendly to trump most may be middle middle class business oriented republicans have either stuck with the republicans or might go back to them in twenty twenty two. Is you know. Democrats radical horribly left wing politically correct progressive. You know low socialist. Whatever the critical race theory. What have you watched it. And the other african discuss each of those elements if you want. What's what tiny parts of truth there. Mostly untruth Think of the democrats. You saw that committee. They did not look like crazy people. They did not look like people who hated america. They didn't look not like people who work. Szeswith some crackpot economic theory weirdo. You know throw of american foreign policy or all of american history was just a saga of horrible imperialism or terrible injustice. I mean dating address this directly but the general image one feeling when got from them is that were decent people horrified by what they were seeing sympathetic to the capitol. Police i mean i think the defunding police things may be a little hard for the republicans to sell after the democrats are the ones who are incredibly sympathetic to concerned about the capitol police in the republicans are at least some of them are scornful of them in a so i think in that respect it has a sort of weird very indirect i'll grant but you know effect on people's again people are paying attention to certain kinds of maybe swing swedish ish voter their image of but what is the democratic party about a party joe biden abedi thomson and Congresswoman luria luria. Stephanie murphy and i really appreciate you should be so terrified of Going forward just one quick. Follow up because the point that you made about the police Is so interesting to me watching. That hearing i mean we all grew up with the republicans as the party of law and order right and this was emotional testimony from these police officers. Who all they were doing was trying to defend the rule of law and it kind of raises the question in my mind. I mean do do principles matter at all and the ability of so many people in the republican party today to kind of hold these opposing ideas in their head down on the one hand the democrats are you know all about defunding the police and i i think it was actually well said by one of the police officers. I can't remember which one it was was pointing out that some of these insurrectionists were holding that thin blue line flag as they were attacking the police and what does that say about the republican party today in a larger sense. Well and Put it out. I've seen some of this data myself to defend. The police thing. Hurt the democrats in two thousand twenty down. Ballot binding was not released as tools that attack. But they you know..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Skullduggery
"Did not get into all of the things that caused those shortcomings in preparation. We don't know really anything about why. The response from the national guard was delayed for hours even though we have testimony from The former secretary of defense and others that suggests there might have been either a lack of communication from president trump. And the white house at the least or you know we need to know was there actual communication from the trump white house that had some role to play in. Those delays in sending national guard units and in sending further police units from other localities. I mean we know. For example that maryland governor larry hogan was proactively reaching out. I was in touch with hogan's people on january six asking. Why are maryland state police on the scene. And his spokesman said the same thing that hogan has said publicly which is that they were not getting approval from the pentagon. So there's all these unanswered questions about why these things happened on january six and that's gonna be the work of this committee but that raises some interesting questions. First of all. I do want to give a shout out to ryan goodman. Who is the editor of just security and then witness who runs law fair. Both of whom are friends of skulduggery. And both of whom have been on the podcast so they are great resources for people who want to dig further into these issues. But we've been saying all along. Look it was it was. I think it was very smart of this committee to start the hearing with this very powerful visceral emotional testimony and to sort of set. The scene of what happened on january sex but at the end of the day the investigation is going to have to uncover new facts. And it's going to have to answer a lot of those very good questions. You just posed and the question. Is you know victoria. Who is the only one among us who's actually been on a congressional committee that's issued subpoenas. Will they be able to do that. they can certainly issue subpoenas. Can they enforce them. What kind of litigation will there be. Can they do it on the time. Line that they needed to be on. So it was notable that liz cheney in her opening statement said basically. We're going to be doing this and we're going to be doing it quickly. We need to answer all those questions. Everything that happened inside the white house every phone call every meeting. But i put this to both of you. How plausible is it that the committee will be able to actually do that. And enforce those subpoenas and get the information they need. I mean the only thing i would. I would defer to victoria on how that could work. But i think my political instinct on this. Is that this. This is gonna be a significant issue. The the enforcement of subpoenas. Because i think they're going to subpoena a number of these folks who worked at the white house and they're going to face stonewalling and congress hasn't hasn't used its powers to compel testimony through basically arresting people. I don't even know which law enforcement agency would do that. But they've done it in the past sergeant of arms right and they haven't done it since nineteenth century. No no no. They did it in the nineteen thirties. Actually the last guy got arrested for declining to kind of comply with a congressional subpoena there. There's no congressional jail as it happens and so they put him up in the willard. Which is which is a fancy fancy hotel in washington dc. So that was that was the last guy who went to congressional jail now. So i like john. I think you put your finger on it. Which is how fast are they going to move to the subpoena right. So previous congressional committees have kind of engaged in these like careful. Cautious dances with people. They wanna have testify. They tried to persuade the and then the when the persuasion doesn't work. They threatened to subpoena them. That eventually. get around a subpoena. And then they go to court to try to enforce the subpoena and long story short. You know three years have passed before you can get any of that testimony. But i think what's happening with this committee is they've learned the lesson of the last four years of the trump administration. Which is no more pussyfooting around right. Just going straight to subpoena. And they're moving fast and yesterday. The department of justice issued an opinion which indicated that the neither the department of justice nor the white house would agree with an assertion of executive privilege so if any of those white house people attempt to decline to comply with the subpoena because they they say that you know executive privilege applies and so they can't testify. They're not gonna get any joy from the department of justice or the white house and likely not going to get much joy from the courts. So i think there's a chance these subpoenas. We're going to move fast and they're gonna get enforced and it's going to be really interesting to see whether or not Try to Try to avoid the subpoenas. Say if they end up in the willard jail for their efforts. Well i'm i'm guessing i'm guessing if donald trump refuses to testify and they send the send the sergeant arms to arrest him. He'll say in the trump hotel. Yeah i think. I actually think it's it's the willard stories funny but i think i think nowadays they've got a I think they've got a Memo of understanding with the dc police and they can they can put him up in dc jail if they really need to but It's going to be is going to be an interesting story when all of that starts flying. Well just out bennie thompson. The chair of the select committee democrat from mississippi. After the hearing yesterday came out and said we're not going to send letters were sending. We're starting right away with subpoena. So he made very clear yesterday after the hearing. We're not waiting. We're going to subpoenas going right away. He didn't say who yet but he made. He made explicitly clear that they're going to do exactly what you just said. Yeah i mean pe- people just you may remember that during the impeachment one Or pre impeachment won the the The i think it was the house. Judiciary committee attempted to get testimony. From don mcgann did bush's former white house counsel. He was no longer white house counsel with attempted to get his testimony Mcgann resisted the trump administration resisted They went to court began. It took almost two years before they could get mcgann in front of anyone to testify..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"The problem with the reconciliation. Bill is if the house says well. If it doesn't pass the senate we're gonna take the whole thing over here while it's not the republican job the past the big liberal spending bill and other stuff. That's a that's a good old fashioned fight. Maybe they can find a republican to if they pair it down. They got enough trouble getting mansion on board. Maybe cinema to democrats and there are others. Who have doubts about it. So good old fashioned. Politics is what the reconciliation bill is about. You can't ask the republicans to be responsible for passing a ideologically liberal democratic bill. It's like holding the democrats hostage if they don't pass the human life amendment is just unrealistic. So maybe there's a deal to be had on the other spending bill more social welfare spending. There's some good things in there. But at the scale they've been proposing Kind of bernie sanders kind of scale. It's just a nonstarter So it's dangerous to link to. I think there is cynicism alive and well in politics on both sides. I think the democrats and the progressives are being a bit greedy but they've got power they didn't have before and they're trying to use it. That's understandable The big problem will be getting the last two or three republican bills. Do the plane infrastructure bill and trying to require something else to pass with any republican votes. That's much more noxious to them than the infrastructure. Bill is a is a fool's errand and you know. We talked about that latte earlier. So it's not quite as cynical man as as you're outlining in your question but thank you for it. Nonetheless and with. That guys was great to have you here bill if people want to check out what you're up to. What's the website. People should obviously read the bulwark at the bulwark dot. Com the best riding around these days. They can come to. They can watch conversations with bill kristol. Which both of you have been an which both of you have been guests and an excellent guests. We have a good one up right. Now with sean trendy. The election analyst by kind of nonpartisan honestly attempt to just analyze where we are And with many more conversations coming up And what else did you go to. And then republican The public accountability project with this new republican voting rights are vr dot. Org is I don't even know. Google republican voter right. You'll you'll find the right. you'll find the right web. That internet with all the dots and using how this network websites okay and gibbs. We can't talk about it but soon gibson. I have a world shaking announcement. I'm talking galactic. i'm talking world. Capitals high alert people sliding down ladders sirens going off ships crossing at high speed with naval instance flying a big big gibson murphy announcement coming soon. Maybe next week maybe the week after but stay tuned for that. All right gibbs you. Why don't you take us out was great. Talk to you guys. Yeah great to see you bill. Thank you for your insights and your perspective. It was great being with both. You guys saved her apples. Thank you talk soon..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"So just quickly. Afghanistan shutting down a year from now in the midterm elections. So you know bit less than a year when they start will are leaving afghanistan. Be a win for bind politically ended the endless war longest in american history or as we literally pack up the airport. This week will flare back and be a problem and will any voter care. I mean i'm very worried about what's going to happen there. We have a traffic pieces. Bulwark today by we'll sell. Bruce spent four towards duty over there. I just i think it's an untold unforced error in the sense that there was zero pressured or pull out the remaining three thousand troops there. We haven't had a fatality there in sixteen months which is a very good thing and you know they might have been opposite. Get then we'll say glibly that could be some if we'd stayed but i think it's very bad for our policy. Error both political and moral error by the by administration having said that. I don't want to pretend that vote. There is a lot of people could be happy to get out of just relieved And i think. I don't know if he'll get credit for it but i don't know that anyone will blame him. Much of those tried to push back on this decision that very i wouldn't say had huge residents of of the public and Republicans with trump having professed a desire to get out so much and having started this process. Which biden is now continued is made it harder for republicans to sort of be do their normal thing of being the more hawkish party and so forth Look i mean. I think president obama's decision two thousand eleven iraq was terrible one day and having to go back in two thousand fourteen to fight the jihadists who would take over part of the country and didn't do anything in syria and the unbelievable disaster. I can't honestly say that. He paid a political price for that though and so even iraq which was so difficult to war and fought so badly for the first two or three years at least bush got reelected. No four so. The ability of presidents to survive what outside observers might think of as poor decisions in foreign policies. I guess for while at least pretty great. So i'm very worried about what's going to happen in afghanistan subsidy but i. I don't want to pretend that necessarily it's to be a huge political issue for the biden. Folks i think there's some long term risk in just sort of what happens in that area of the world in that may even be a medium-term risk with The taliban deciding to consolidate its gains in an even greater way and In control more territory or is you've even seen an american general Talk about the fact that you could easily have an afghan civil war on on our hands relatively soon I think short term. The politics of this are probably still pretty good to get out of there. Because i think the biggest challenge in this is on I accept some of this. Responsibility is Having been in the white house. But you know we we have. The american people have have heard that. We're we're there. Were spending a lot of money and a lot of time and and In some cases Tragically sacrificing our men and women Because the idea was that you know if we just stayed there a little bit longer than these afghan security forces with just a little bit more training in just a little bit more support would be able to Defend their country. And i think in reality what happened was american. Presidents went often flying to the toboggan. Them helicoptering to a presidential palace. And quite frankly always having really that same agenda with With the leader of afghanistan which is how come. We're not making more progress. How come your people. Don't have you know to some degree skin in the game in this fight. How come when the going gets tough. They get going. And i think in reality. I'm i'm not sure biden had to do this but i'm not sure if we stayed there for another twenty years it would be substantively different on the ground. I think this has got to be something that if the afghans can't solve it and we saw this when when when when obama made the decision in late two thousand nine to surge more troops there and it was actually the general suggestion that we put a time limit on how long they were going to be there because quite frankly if you say to the afghan leaders we're going to be there forever then. There's no sense of urgency. There's no sense of okay. Now we gotta get our shit together And i think in this case. I think american presidents writ large sort of had this kind of run its course and it is going to be up to the afghans to figure out whether or not they can provide security inside that country all bring it back down to the political hack craven level and just say as a matter hard political reality. Most americans think an afghan is a cat. They went to college. I think it's a blanket. I don't think it will have any impact on the next election. But fifteen years from now when somebody's doing hacks on jupiter they're going to say boy. Nobody cared about afghanistan but they should have cared about pakistan. So we're we're we're seaward unwinds but there is something to say about owning it. They sure do now but just to be clear. Having sat through any number of good situation room meetings on that exact subject. Don't misunderstand that just because you have Pulled some of those forces out of afghanistan that you aren't there. There isn't a lot of focus still on on pakistan and what happens. Get focused. But they're not letting us. I mean fact a search which you guys did and i is supported at the time was the one time i think i was invited to a meeting. With the president and the result ruin two thousand eleven where was like we and it's only republicans while the partisanship supported that mcconnell supported it in the senate. Republicans voted in favor of it. And i think we're the democrats did in the house. I know that president obama didn't wanna do it. I'm sure there was a lot of regret. And there were a lot of casualties. God does sagging and elsewhere and it's very tough in two thousand ten two thousand eleven it did ultimately end up buying quite a lot of time Which wasn't worth wasn't worthless. You know accent hasn't blown up. Is that what expected for the last ten years afghanistan hasn't been a staging place for terrorism. We were able to draw down to three or four thousand ultimately by twenty eighteen hundred. Nineteen and so i really just think it was. That was sustainable. The three or four thousand of the current situation. And i think the alternative we're about to see is going to be worse. I tend to agree that it won't have an immediate effect. I don't know a real. If you really get a saigon seventy five up situation if you get a destabilization of pakistan you know you guys have seen this and other administrations. I mean far policy decisions individually. Don't usually you know voters don't focus if people have the general sense that the world's things are falling apart in a bunch of places and we're not being strong enough that can have an effect and i don't. I hope it's not the case for the country's sake that that happens. I hope this is kind of confined and the effects of it or very limited. But i'm pretty worried about this combined with other things Beginning to make it look as if all that relief that we have biden. it's that trump. that suddenly doesn't look necessarily that the world is that much safer than as much safer as we thought it would be. So let's talk about the appointment of liz. Cheney by speaker pelosi to the january six commission the fact that cheney took it and mccarthy's threatening maybe even removers From a position on the armed services committee. I say hurry. Hurry hurry for liz. Cheney as an act of patriotism and she becomes more impressive to me every week. I'm now i mean we knew as well back back in the day. We drifted apart during the trump years because she was willing to course to to go along in many ways that i wasn't tonight you know she had a theory about how this would work and she had a theory of how to survive for the how the party and the country could survive the trump years with the least damage which was turned into a parenthesis limit. The damage as it was happening. She did a couple of things to do that. Go along as much as you had to. I thought she wanted to watch but and then it's a four year thing he'll lose. We'll have healthy republican party again. That's good for the party. If you're a republican it's good for the country. So i i wanna give her credit. I think she had ernest honest. Kind of way of thinking about. It wasn't my way about it. I think she paid too high price but anyway november third habit trump loss but then he fights the election results and the january six. I think that was the reason..
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"I just don't think it is sustainable as a narrative for this white house to to think oh those are stories in the other side of the building. We'll just we just don't have to worry about them as much right. I don't think it's just because she's the heir-apparent just because If he doesn't run she's by definition the front runner. I just think in in a modern news environment. Look you know that what's going to happen is biden's going to get asked about this. It's gonna have very little patience for this question. He's gonna snap At the question or or at the question itself And that will perpetuate the story. Oh the white house's frustrated with this blah blah blah blah you know. Hopefully that answers been practiced and say look what you what you all don't see in the chattering. Class is what i see every day. She's helping me make decisions. He's of all of those things. I think those will be important because at some point he's going to get asked and it's going to be fairly soon but again totally. Give her some stuff to do. That is substantive that she can drive and make positive news on make some announcements when the next thing they do on kovic get her get her out in front not just standing to the side so one problem is if the president himself This was true george. H w bush to invite into thinks wants to work the hale and wants to really work ultimately the legislative process which is good. There's not that much room for the vp to chime in. And she spent a lot less time in the senate then biden quayle had actors spent more time in the senate then bush but bush had been vice president of course rate ear so he jim baker when new everyone so those less interest in having quayle take that role. We did a little stuff behind the scenes. More than a little in the senate. But i do think for. Harris is a good public spokesperson. I what we were talking about earlier on. Kothe is an obvious thing. it's a little. She could be tougher than biden. She could be the person who goes around the country and says hey we all need to get vaccinated and we need to do it for the sake of opening up not for the sake of being public health. You know not just because the science tells us where we want open. i mean. There's a very easy public bully. Pulpit message the irony. Is the bully pulpit stuff easier for. Vpn away because it doesn't getting everyone else's lane you're not suddenly the staff's looking up. What's the ep up on the hill. I i haven't meeting later in the day and it's not the and the various cabinet secretaries aren't slightly annoyed. That the vp's edry into their negotiations on this bill or that. Bill i think the cova discussion we had earlier is a pretty obvious. Obviously for for the vice president to kind of go go out there maybe at the beginning of the school year maybe earlier though and sort of really say this is important for the country of my boss. The president's done a great job of making the system work. We produced all this stuff at the end of the day. It's a free country that we've got to persuade people to do this. And i'm going to beat with yeah religious leaders with educators but also with citizens around the country go to states that have unfortunately low sign up rates and so forth. I don't know if that's the right one. There are other things like that. But you've got to think of things to do that. Don't step too much on other people's toes and actually do add something to the administration not not subtract the final point. I just wanna last night on back on the thing. I was remember trying to persuade decent relations most of the time with most of the worst people sometimes they we've had falling falling out. Maybe that's my fault. I don't vice president quayle's while he was he was really loyalty player. But i remember trying to point to persuade one of them. You know we were more reagan. The image was that we were more conservative than were reaganite. Friendlier the kemp types as well than the bush republicans which is somewhat true And so i remember saying you know that's good for bush. Not bad you want it. You can't be everything to everyone you want to have. An that. has people in it. Who different parts of the party can look up to and say. Hey you know that's crazy. Maybe the presents a little bit too much this way abidance case maybe till two old school or to maters they but you know there are people in there who is speaking to us very hard having said. That's very hard to actually persuade president staff that it's good for them to have a little bit of visible descent invisible different points of view in administration but again. That's where i think. The covert thing is a nice the would be a nice platform. That doesn't raise that problem but having said that also wouldn't be so terrible offense like voting rights. She were a little more especially if she would go beyond the base and make it a little more about the election. Suppression stuff She was a g of california. She knows something about this You know protecting state officials who are doing their job beat with secretary of state of colorado. Who's a republican the sec four sixers of washington's republican and talk about big with ravensburger and georgia. And say you know we've had those were different size of political spectrum but these people did their job but we can't have a situation where legislatures are now preventing them from doing their job and and putting volunteers election In polling stations at risk from harassment and so forth. That's the right issue either. But there are things she could do. That would as as robert says would travel around the country. That'd be a little more granular than what the president's going to be able to do i. I liked the covert thing if she could own. We're gonna vaccinate kids a sap. Here's the plan and deliver it and the other thing she could be the hammer. There's plenty it's totally in her interest to go. Rip santa's face off in florida and pick a fight you know because that'll rally democrat partisans to her side you kristi nome all particularly the red states is even easier but she Right she needs a persona other than media bumbler and You know fights are good way to get there. She's gotta be the right fight. All right hold. That thought we're going to take a short break and now a word from our talks murphy. You know growing up. I think one of the best things about being a kid was cereal. I loved it. I loved going to the.
"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
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"bill kristol" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Just had one more thing about the house. And we're move onto the veep. You know a wise democratic house watcher. A few years ago said something interesting to me. This kind of come back to haunt me. As i watched this. I mean the earlier before. I quote that the earlier kind of uncovered big bipartisan. Win was this. Chinese tech ketchup bill. That went flying through the senate with big. bipartisan support. Now the house may be on an institutional basis. But i worry on logical one is starting to screw with that that should be a slam dunk. Pass it deal. But what is smart house watcher. Said is you know you. Re pubs are funny. All year guys are most of them are from safe districts. They only care about primary voters. They don't have competitive elections and they're kinda crazy and hard to deal with. Well here's a secret. Most of our house members are exactly the same there from safe districts. They only care a little bit about primaries and they're hard to deal with. They have just not found anything to have a unpopular fight over. Because all they've had to do as pile on on trump which is a political winner for them. You know you guys are defending the indefensible. But one day. There's gonna be a voter to where people get an idea of who is in the democratic house caucus and it's a mere image more lefty than those you know beauties that you guys have and i worry that that could be the sad story of this infrastructure bill from some of the hint something but i sure hope i'm wrong. Yeah well i think the pressure really has looked. This is this is the counter says twenty twenty one but this is also really about twenty twenty two and i think you know you're not gonna get the base out to vote unless you can prove that the congress can do things While you enjoy control even if it's fifty votes in the senate so this is why. I think in the end. Democrats have to link arms and go and jump all at the same time and if they don't do that then It isn't going end well and it will be really hard to motivate the base. Yeah no it's absolutely right so let's go under the vp's office. Because in washington there is a hurricane of conventional wisdom and cocktail. Party chattering and neurotic teeth grinding about. Oh my god we've got a dud vice president at least politically you know. Comma harris has been haunted by this many critics. I was allowed one during your presidential campaign. Kept saying you know. She's not a very good candidate. But i was proven wrong. She she did. She campaign was a bit of a fiasco. Staff changes falling polls after high initial expectations and a strong launch. So it did and is a fiasco a lot of us predicted. But she performed okay as vp. She was a better vp candidate. I will say then primary candidate now. We're having more staff trouble. Where having leaks at so unbinding like to the media about who's mad at who the chief of staff or the staffer that staffer some people saying it's all at the top and the washington kind of odds. Miss machine is calculating. Oh this is bad. this is bad now. Bill kristol you. Bend the chief of staff to vice president. You know what it's like the kind of coexist under the sun. God of the president with the presidential staff that probably send you out for takeout food. A lot gives you the tough jobs. You live through the famous potato incident. When you were quayle's chief of staff robert thought you might have a little Back into the complete wreckage of we told you about this back then but seriously you lived through it. How much of it is institutional. How much do you think is her. How do you fix problems like that. Because i think my view is if she doesn't fix it she's gonna fall into the same narrative in a different way a narrative of plague competence and staff. Trouble that quayle. Our friend found him in after that ridiculous potato thing you can't let the concrete set so anyway you're an informed observer these things what's your take. Yeah someone who failed to fix if i can put it that way. That quells unjust reputation after the campaign. Which i wasn't involved in in eighty eight when benson destroyed him in that debate and I i'm surprised the vice president. Harrison's team hasn't reached out hasn't called me to get advice on you know here. I am former chief of staff to vice president. Quayle you'd think they'd want counsel on how to make it work you know they look back at other preceding vice presidencies thought. Yeah what's a model. What something that really ended up in that left us left the the vice president with a with a great political future. And somehow i have not though am cordial terms of many people in the biden white house administration. I haven't gotten that call for for advice from vice-president harasses people the it's it is weird obviously vice president. Caesar the vice president is a weird institution it staffs never always little jostling a little bit of adjusting and just hard to adjust. Honest if you've been a senator. I was thinking about this in this respect. Quail harris aren't slight similar situation younger much younger than their than the president. Which were junior. You might say than the president the staff much more junior than the president's staff which both the bush and biden cases where people who'd been with him along time we're very senior. People ron claimed bread scowcroft not people who thought they needed to get a lot of advice from some..
Mike Pence Booed, Called Traitor at Conservative Christian Conference
"I want to thank my friend. Ralph reed for those overly generous words. I'm deeply humbled by them. Ralph reed knows me well enough to know the introduction. I prefers a little bit short. I'm a christian and a republican in that order. And i am honored to stand before you. Today they weren't buying the pious mike pence act at that gathering today but the trump up sucking was on full display. Fealty was on full display at this faith and freedom conservative conference today in florida. We are going to defeat the woke assault. Then all of us need to wake up. it's very simple. Go back to the remain in mexico policy and build president trump's wall fight against this woke mob and these radical democrats who are trying to destroy this country. I may ask you something. Do you miss president. Donald trump still with us. I'll thanking and bill kristol bill. I'm not even a supplicant. Can catch a break these days. I heard you bill on another broadcast tonight. Make the best point that. I'm going to ask you to repeat now. It would've cost mike pence nothing other than a few seconds of his remarks to do what some people in the crowd started to call the trader to say. Wait a second. Let me explain what happened on january six. Here's what i did. Why did what i did. I upheld the constitution. This is the role of the vice president. We have no choice at no choice. Not legitimate choice. I delivered Legitimate choice on what to do There was the election votes. Were counted fairly. He could've spent ninety seconds relating lewis
"bill kristol" Discussed on Politics: Meet Me in the Middle
"From kurkcu media. Welcome to part two of our discussion with bill kristol conservative. Yes but without a doubt. Bill brings to the show kind of insight and analysis. That will make you think. Oh we've got a lightning round so you'll want to stick around for that. This is politics. Meet me in the middle. I'm bill curtis once again. My co-host jane. Albrecht is international trade. Attorney who fought for. Us economic business interests to high level government officials around the globe. She's a member of the us supreme court bar and she's also been involved with several us presidential campaigns. Hey jane how you doing fine always good to be here and welcome bill. Thanks bill as you heard bill. Kristol is that infamous american neoconservative political analysts that you see almost daily on cnn. Cnbc msnbc fox. He was the founder of the political magazine. The weekly standard. And he's now the editor at large of the bulwark and he has his own podcast. Aptly named conversations with bill kristol bill. Thank you so much for joining us to be with you both. Let's talk about where the real fault lies right now. You know it seems that there are tens of millions of people that are increasingly far right who will forgive anything. Believe anything whether or not it makes any sense whatsoever you know. The pandemic is a democratic hoax and will disappear by easter. Nope if i lose the election in six months it was a fraud. Stop the steel joining space aliens with lasers that start california fires. There abused children in the basement of pizza. Restaurant eliminate election fraud by reducing voting hours and forbidding anybody from giving the people online water or food scanning millions of their own supporters such that their online donations suddenly is a monthly donation to the point. Where you have to put your tail between your legs in return one hundred twenty million dollars that you stole from your own supporters. The big lie which million still believe. Why are the republican voters forgiving. All of this stuff. They shouldn't end the suggests problems in our society. Our culture information systems are media and so forth hard to fix it. Hard to know are even understand that for me. The one thing we do other could happen. That hasn't happened is leaders that those voters respect look to their elected officials people. They watch on television on fourth ab not stood up and said that's not true. I stand my voters here in whatever district district you voted for trump. If the republican says i voted for trump. i wanted to win. But he didn't and i've looked at carefully. And here's the date. I'm gonna take half an hour. Now you don't have to listen to all unexplained explain to you. The what you think isn't true. Very few republicans very few conservatives very few people on fox news i would even say very few conservative leads to sense of big donors wall street journal editorial page have had any kind of tough love talk to their own supporters even the journal which is fine the highest tone by conservative opinion. Page of the country influential. It's all sort of well. That's a little off that they've gone too far in that. But you know there are real problems with the election stuff. We need to anyway. What's what's more board is the biden dot. Abc's even there's a kind of failure to police your own supporters lease at rhetoric. If they don't hear that people respect they're not going to believe much on the air from me or let alone russia democrats and liberals and so they kind of are often their own echo chamber itself worth but bill. You know that people are and they're watching news that basically feeds them back their own opinion as fake information..
Marjorie Taylor Greene Launching 'America First' Caucus
"Feel like. I'm of facts based pariah. We're radicals in the republican party. If you say that it the steel was ridiculous. And trump is the new establishment. That's what a former republican member of the house. Sounds like case in point congresswoman. Marjorie taylor green congressman. Paul goes are planning to form their own america first caucus according to a seven page policy platform published by punchbowl news. This afternoon the caucus intends to quote follow in president. Trump's footsteps that includes election. fraud section. That pedals conspiracies about our two thousand twenty election. It also includes the following quote. America is a nation with a border and a culture strengthened by a common respect for uniquely anglo-saxon. Political traditions wonder what that could mean. I'm sure our next guest is wondering as well with us to talk about it. Bill kristol the author and writer and thinker and politico a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations editor at large of the bill biltmore. Bulwark bill couple of things number. One wait till they find out about the border with canada number two. I have in my hand three items on social media that attracted our interest tonight here. They are in order. Republican congressman. Adam kenner. I believe anyone that joins. This caucus should have their committee. Stripped too late for marjorie taylor. Green already done and the republican conference should expel them from conference participation while we can't prevent someone from calling themselves republican. We can loudly say. They don't belong to us. Kevin mccarthy tweets the republican party. Hope you're sitting down as the party of lincoln and the party of more opportunity for all americans not nativist dog
"bill kristol" Discussed on KSFO-AM
"Thing and I, I have this strange notion way our democracy. Some of my Republican friends, and some of my Democratic friends even occasionally say, Well, if you can't get the votes by executive order, you're going to do something things that can't do by executive order unless you're a dictator. Democracy. We need consensus. Yeah, need consensus. You've heard about this Lincoln project. Somebody told me and I am really paid a lot of attention to it that the now I guess they're expanding out and maybe getting involved in the Pending elections in Israel will watch that closely. One of the co founders of this great project of never Trumpers, most of more John McCain and Romney, people. Most of them were you know the Bill Kristol's of the world, too, on top of it, anyway. John Weaver, co founder accused of sending explicit messages. Let's say, to nearly a dozen young men offering them career advice on jobs in exchange for sexual favors. Oh, apparently call Rove. It warned about that at at the time. Well, we'll see what happens there. Um Democrats, according to reports are building an emotionally charged case in the Trump impeachment trials on bright part This is simple to make. 45 Republicans in the Senate have now said a post presidential impeachment is unconstitutional. Why're you wasting the country's time? And money. Why Now, this three quick defense is not gonna take that much. One is the Constitution and the constitutional defense. That should be a pretty strong argument. David shown is a frequent guest on this program. We'll talk about it tonight on Hannity. Is now representing the president. Second thing, Okay. If all of these news reports court documents that have been filed investigative reports, even media mob reports what Wapo and fake news CNN. We're all saying investigators now believe that a lot of what happened on January, 6th was not at all spontaneous. But it was preplanned, including videos of people planting pipe bombs the night before. That kind of takes away the incitement aspect of what it is, they said. Now Democrats, they're going to say, Well, Donald Trump said to fight like hell. Well, we're gonna montage on Hannity tonight. Bunch of Democrats saying fight like hell. Made the same charge. If you remember against Governor Palin, Mo targeted district with Bull's eyes. Well, Bob Beckel was the one that that started that whole targeting of district. They mean to target people. No. Nobody supports violence of any kind. And then we need the 9 11 style commission reports so this could never happen again. How would ever happen in a post 9 11 world? It's It's beyond inexplicable to may so we'll watch that. Doesn't matter. The majority of the country think that this is a bad idea that's going to further divide the country. One thing I am hearing is a lot of Democrats of very uncomfortable with all of this because they know the third aspect of the defense of the first is the Constitution. Second is the evidence that is emerging, which is why you don't have a snap impeachment that there was a pre planned attack an assault against the capital. And the third aspect would be okay. If this is inciting rhetoric and insurrection style rhetoric. Let's go to the video and audiotapes. Kamila Harris. Maxine, I'm gonna take Trump out tonight. Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden. Chuckie Schumer. Let's play them all. And if you're gonna have censure, let's Century mall together. We can do it all in one day play. The hits have the votes. Anyway. 809 41 Sean, Do you wanna be a part of the program? We'll get to a lot of calls today. Promising. Of course of the program. James O'Keefe is an undercover videos shared the top of the next hour. If you have a hard time sleeping, he's a troubled times. Well, all things my pillow work in my life, and I fall asleep faster. And I stay asleep longer. And now you can, too. And by the way, Poor Mike Lyndall my pillow that did you know they don't like his political views. Fine. Do they, like his products is the kicking him out of one story after another. He can't even tweet out and promote his own company anymore..
"bill kristol" Discussed on KTRH
"The term never trump Or maybe you have it. It's an insider's term. Referring to the petulant little games that are played by the career operatives. People for whom politics is a game. It's how they make their living. They don't seek goodness justice and and solid policies to create wealth and opportunity in the land. This is how they make a living. They're hired guns. And here to talk with us about that is Julie Kelly. She's a political commentator and senior contributor to American greatness, and she's written a book disloyal Opposition. How the never trump right tried and failed. To take down the president. Does that mean in 2016? Because they're still trying? Julie? They sure are. Thanks for having me on Michael. They're up to their old tricks on double. Hopefully, they won't be successful this time, either. It's so personal for them. It is, as I write in my book. This has really been a five year crusade from never Trumpers and we're talking, of course about Bill Kristol, Max Boot Jennifer Rubin Jonah Goldberg David from Usual cast of characters. They weren't David French? Yes, thank you. Who I think is Jennifer Rubin. I call it Mr Jennifer Rubin Because he's so unhinged. I found him to be particularly useless, more useless than some of the rest. I am agreeing with you, Michael. When I wrote the book, there were others who were in the never trump hierarchy who I had more disgust for, But David French has quickly catapulted to the top position. But at least unlike Jonah Goldberg, he doesn't just repeatedly post pictures of his dog that strip or talk about superheroes. Well, no, David French does that they You know, whenever something exciting happens on our side suddenly they talk about you know, hot dogs, and they can't stand it. Can you imagine rooting? Against your country and against the party that you've claimed for all these years you were supporting and against American greatness. I mean, how do you do that? So why did you write this book of all the things you could write about? Why did you want to talk about the never trump? That's a great question, because I used to be in this camp, right? I'm I call myself a reformed neo conservative. I was a huge fan of Bill Kristol. He was one of my early political I guess you would say icons right after you know, in the early nineties, After Bill Clinton won. He was Dan Quayle's chief of staff. He sort of helped the Republican Party regroup. He put together and formulated the opposition to Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan. He really helped work with Republicans to win back the House representative 1984, so he really was. Kind of an influential figure. Back Then he started the weekly standard, which sort of must read Ng. So I was really shocked to see his strong opposition to Donald Trump. Obviously before the election, but certainly afterwards and when he started saying things that were so opposite to what he's been saying, for 20 some odd years, I thought, What is this? What's up with this? So in February, 2017 I wrote this tongue in cheek break up letter to Bill Crystal that was published in the Federalist. Looking back. Then he sounded quasi sane compared to what he is now and so I just started following this never trump movement who was involved in and how they switched their positions where their money is coming from, more importantly, which is all from the left and Democratic activists. And so on. And I was straight this book and and I'm glad that it gives a historical accounts for who these Republican traders really are. You know, Julia, I have a theory. That That a big portion of these part of what they're angry about is they're no longer on the inside. They're no longer treated like the visiting rich uncle at the cocktail party that everyone is so eager to meet But I have. My theory also is that they are heavily supported by the military industrial complex, and that trumps antiwar. Bring them home. No forever Wars. Ah ah, positions threatened those industries and that that's what that's why these guys are useful idiots for that industry. I think that's a huge point. And I'm glad you brought that up for people. We're familiar with their background. Bill Kristol David from Max Boot, You know all these Republican officeholders. They were the ones who brought us the Iraq war. They're the ones who have they mean they wanted to invade Libya. They wanted to There hasn't been a country Bill Kristol Neo con saw It didn't think that we should send our troops over there. So Allegedly spread democracy. And so they are the war. Hawks hawks. They're the warmongers. What's funny, and you know this, Michael, These are the people the left once considered or criminals. They wanted the Bush's strung up at the Hague and try for war crimes Now of a sudden they're healthy, wealthy with them on the set. MSNBC. You know they're fed it there at their events as heroes. So, but you are right. Donald Trump poses such a threat, and we see this to the entire Beltway, but particularly the military industrial complex, as you said. And so that's why they are out there giving a fully impression that there are a lot of Republicans and conservatives opposed to trump when you know that that's simply not the case. You know It's interesting, though, because They are such useful idiots that they get a lot of attention from the media. And I have said for some time that they're a distraction that you just don't need at a time like this, But folks get very angry about them because you know how dare they? How dare these people that were once respected the thought leaders. Of conservatism, supposedly and now they have become petulant. Just nasty mean They're the mean girls of American politics and anything about Trump. They can say they possibly will and everyone around him and they've caught themselves now. Trashing the nomination of Amy Cockney Barrett, who they previously would have said, which is the case is perhaps you know, the best nominee we've seen in decades, and now they're trashing her because she was nominated by Trump. They've really twisted themselves into a bind here. They really have Michael. The good news is regardless of the outcome of the election. Never Trumpers will lose for two reasons. One. If Trump wins all of their efforts again for the past five years will have been futile. They really would have if I calculate Totally What never Trumpers have been paid by the left. It will be close to $100 million. But the's groups the Lincoln Project, Bill Kristol's defending democracy together, All of these little satellite groups have been, you know, funded by leftist billionaires. They will have burned all that money for nothing. They still wouldn't will not have succeeded in getting Donald Trump out of the White House. So why would they continue to pay them? It's Joe Biden wins. I'm not gonna be able to play the role of the useful idiot anymore. The Democratic Party will be finished with them. They'll have no place in a bite administration. Leave. Schmidt, who is just complete, raging lunatic who last we saw was managing the giant became campaign into a humiliating defeat in 2008 just admitted on 60 minutes. None of them will work in the Republican Party again. That's for certain. So where did they go after November? Regardless of who wins?.
Scaramucci assembling team of former Cabinet members to speak out against Trump
"I saw Anthony Scaramucci the mooch he's on CNN he's he's been meeting with with bill Kristol hello there gonna when they're gonna work on on a way to get some cabinet members former cabinet members together to talk about the president and and we're gonna have to we're going to do something about this is putting together a coalition to stop trump in twenty twenty okay does it have anything to do with the fact that maybe you were waning and people talk to me and I got something to talk about this is good politics no maybe truly believes this okay he truly believes it you want to have somebody else be president you organize a group of people you organize a mention you trying to let somebody else this is a news outlet making the proclamation that the president I'd states is mentally unfit and on well that's frightening and certainly to every extent malpractice you know there's pervasive rip reporting in this regard and if it was grandpa you would probably take him to see a neurologist or someone who specializes in geriatric medicine that hasn't happened here you are running Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden for president and you're gonna tell me that Donald Trump is too old Bernie Sanders gaffe a second I'm sorry Joe Biden gap a second Bernie Sanders yell at the people get off my lawn but trump is too old this is ugly this is absolutely positively glee when MSNBC is doing here I'm not necessary maybe this is what happens when you don't have collusion to talk about Hey you don't have a structured such of talk about and they're trying very hard not stuck with impeachment out loud I guess they were taking a break from the racism talk another getting into the mentally unfit
"bill kristol" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM
"Steve, what's the poll question? What are the results so far? Are you better off financially now than you were in two thousand sixteen absolutely eighty nine percent say, yes, our okay? Eight four four five hundred forty two forty two who is this guy just in a mash, he's the one who says that Trump should be impeached? Congressman from Michigan's third district. He's, he's. He's pitiful. Now he's got a primary challenger state rep jemele, our lower lower excuse me, lower calling himself, a pro-trump, pro-life, pro, pro second American pro family values Republican, he's, he said he was going to announce on the fourth of July, but he decided to speed it up after Amit Shah said he was he should be impeached. Who is it who is a mistrial to appeal to hear the, the Bill weld? Mitt Romney Phil Scott wing of the Larry HOGAN wing of the Republican party. That's a mighty small group of people, I think I just named all of them, maybe, maybe Bill Kristol, if you if I last time I saw Bill Kristol's face it was on a milk cart. I don't know where the hell he's gone, too. Well now Representative Ammash is being urged to run on the libertarian ticket against Trump and twenty twenty oh so he can be he, he's going to be this year's or next year. Evan mcmuffin. That's what he that's what he's going to be. Okay. All right. I can't imagine that he could win that went a primary. I, I don't know who this guy Jim lower is. But, you know, I think I think anybody could win against this guy in a in a Republican district. I mean who who what, what are they going to impeach him for? That's what I wanna know. You know, there's a there's a story today, there's going to be a big meeting tomorrow of the whole democrat caucus in the house, and they, they're going to decide what they're gonna do. Representatives. Dave cellini Rhode Island, the former mayor of providence, g me Raskin of Maryland. He's a law professor. You know, so he must know something we don't know you know, he must be smart as Barack Obama because he was a law professor to an adjunct professor. That means he taught a course at the university of Chicago law school, if that's the standard that I was an adjunct professor at Harvard for five weeks. Okay. So. You know, and, and then somebody, I don't know, Joe Gucci of Colorado. I never heard of him. They pushed to begin impeachment hearings during a leadership meeting and Pelosi's office on Monday night. And then Pelosi and some of her people like Hakim Jeffries, Rosa from from queens. Rosa delauro from Connecticut. Sherry, boost those from Illinois. They rejected the calls. I know. Citing house oversight and reform committee chairman Elijah Cummings Pelosi asked you wanna shut down Elijah Cummings investigation and tell them to go home. Maybe should go doctor was wife if these kinds of problems with this with this federal investigation, but they're just going to keep pressing forward. I mean I don't what are they basing this off? If Muller and his gang of angry Democrats couldn't find anything. What, what are they? What are they looking for? I know they're looking for. But are they gonna find it? I don't think so. I think these are all all of their friends. Have these big problems with, you know Bill bars investigations..
"bill kristol" Discussed on WCPT 820
"Talked about the? Okay. Bill Kristol tweets nineteen seventy-four impeachment hearings judiciary, vote Nixon resigns Democrats win big in seventy four and win the White House seventy six nine hundred ninety eight Clinton impeachment imminent, Republicans lose a few house seats, but hold congress. Impeach and win the White House in two thousand. So why the assumption impeachment would be super risky for the Dem's? Yeah. I don't I. All right. Speaker Pelosi yesterday. What we did. Learn is that the Russians had a systemic overall assault on our electoral system, and what we also did see is the president of the United States engaged and behavior that was unethical on scrupulous and beneath the dignity of the office city halls as we were saying transits. Sure sounds to me like there was movement because it was no war impeachment is often not worth it or off the table. She's. I feel like yeah. I mean, sure she ever said impeachment was off the table. Right. She said he's not worth it. Right. Yeah. I yeah. I just listened. I've listened all sides of people respect in how you know, how many steps it takes. And but I I don't think we have any choice. I really don't Syracuse your says, the only thing that will stop Trump and his crew or legal consequences. They don't mind being caught. They enjoy flaunting their criminality. They just don't wanna be punished. It is critical that people grasp the difference. Thank you, Carol. Warning forever. All of this. Oh, what was the new head of me? Trump is accused Britain of spying on him. Yes. Does a tweet now. Okay. Brian. Queen. This is enough. Well, no. Brian class tweets change in confidence in US president from Obama in two thousand sixteen to Trump and twenty eighteen according to Germany, minus seventy six percents Weeden, minus seventy six France. Seventy five percent, Canada, minus fifty eight percent. Australia minus fifty two percent. United Kingdom, minus fifty one percent. Japan minus forty eight percent Russia. Plus. Twenty that. Didn't you just that yesterday where respected around the world again this week? He mosavi. End Chicago, you're on with Carlos and company. Is about Dr. Thank you very much world. We're sold on the best. We can. Saying about on him if he just of bad, but yes, I well, listen, the Steph hens the sex army is doing things so just keep tweeting, and we will have hopefully something to tell you. But just keep tweeting calling emailing. Okay. Not today. But he yes, he will. Of course, he will again. Yeah. I love you. I love you guys use great jogging what you're doing. Absolutely loved. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Aw. Yeah. Cookie tweets walk with me. Congress does zero to protect our elections. Why is this not being talked about more? Why why is the media not asking every Republican about this? Why are we not? Why are they not asking Trump Trump administration officials? What are you doing? What have you done Krista? Nielsen was working doing something when she was told to stand down by Mick Mulvaney. Right. Why are we can't let this happen? We can't just in slow motion move toward this coup together. Just like, you know, they've learned the Russians learned things from two thousand sixteen to better implement things in twenty twenty in October of twenty twenty. It will be announced that Russia has infiltrated our election systems irreparably giving Trump premise for suspending elections and staying in our indefinitely. Yeah. Hashtag ugly truth. I mean, that's the part. I keep saying keep saying why aren't people doing something about volume one? I get the volume to the immediately impeachable offenses is the lawyers crossing the most devastating case for obstruction. They've ever seen. Unfortunately, it's the purview of. Department of homeland security to do something about this. And they were told not to do something about this by the administration. Right. That's why nothing's being done surgeon says the investigation Trump tried to interfere with wasn't a significant part investigation of how a hostile foreign power interfere democracy. It's not putting if that's not putting personal interests above presidential duty to the nation. Nothing is that's the other thing. I keep somebody pointed out yesterday Kohl's is keeps being overlooked. He wasn't just trying to obstruct the investigation into him in his campaign but into Russian interference period, and that realizing that again help in twenty twenty s Chris said, yeah. Yeah. Cyber who tweeted this my close staunch Republican front who bleeds Trump orange is. Now supporting mayor Pete after the report was released the Trump's ship is sinking. Certainly he's gone down. What five points to thirty seven percent was pointing that out. The gravity is not rising. Fifty percent, right. It's. Spiking and just use the perfect word to describe what's going on. It's a cyber red dawn. And it's not the movie were white guys from Colorado said Patrick Swayze. Whereas he Travis he's with Travis. No, Patrick Swayze. Can't save Thomas. How? Thanking heaven. Thank you. Yeah. It is cyber red dawn all the way, it's not a great sexy movie title that beyond who's going to. At Thompson, something sure she was just the chick. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what thanks to Lee Thompson? We know exactly. Where take our pictures for our. Because was she's like a director. She does this think. No, no, no. Here's the light. I how to find my life now. All right. Stumble into it. After a sharp stumbling. Hey. Good. Rian chicago. An hour. I sipped. I will Bruce blonde. Delicately sipped his MARTINI like a proper gentleman. On basil. I did. Okay. Sorry maria. Go ahead. Okay. I just wanted to point out a couple of things one is Baidoa works voting record. When he was a congressman. He voted for GOP bills. And he was again, the ACA he reinforced the Republicans antitax ideology, we can Wall Street regulations. Few. We wait for the first debate before we start eating our own. I understand your concerns if people to. Yeah. Google his voting record. Okay. Well, I'm sure I'm sure that's gonna come up. Thank you. I just we're gonna constitutional crisis. I don't want to get started nibbling own candidate. It'd be happy with anybody. Not youtall again, Rick Perry, we're fine. If this if today's show title being Chelsea. Okay. By.
Conservative Bill Kristol brings his never-Trump message to New Hampshire
"All right we're back and i'm glad i'm kind of glad we put this one behind the pay wall because i have to criticize bill kristol and i really like bill kristol personally you bill kristol was a professor of mine for summer in dc and i like him very much personally very nice guy these tweets though these you know i've held off long enough these tweets bill kristol tweeted the other day said quote one striking contrast between reagan and trump reagan's conservatism was a youthful movement in spirit and often in fact fueled by hopefulness for the future trump's conservatism as a reactionary movement of older americans fueled by anger and fear you know i've always been an old soul i guess i guess i've always been an old silicon konya west maybe is very old to maybe candice oh and charlie kirk or they all old all all of the youtube people who are they all really old is that it i don't think so i i don't think that's true at all in fact i think the oldest trump supporter i know is andrew claybin and he behaves like a younger man than i do the the latest i ever stay out when i go out at night is when i'm hanging out with drew the trump movement is a youthful movements energizer and its exuberant donald trump one more millennials than john mccain or mitt romney and don't trump did just fine with the utes you know i i worry i fear without descending into psychobabble that bill kristol might be projecting here angry old fearful i don't know does that describe kanye west or does that describe president trump's detractors ronald reagan's movement was youthful that's absolutely true ron.