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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, December 18, 2020

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

03:57 min | 4 months ago

O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, December 18, 2020

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Cabin - Ep. 7

The Relentless Picnic

1:14:05 hr | 3 months ago

Cabin - Ep. 7

"This is cabin from the relentless picnic event episode seven system. it is without people. it's useless mckinley. January twenty twenty so sometime about six days ago. I left the capital city of these united states and came to a house in maine the smaller house. The very house. Where i grew up. I am now currently stay there all by my lonesome. It's not exactly the wilderness. But you know there is massive amounts of snow the ground. When i got here and it's cold in enough to like challenge the furnace and i've had to shovel a few times so in my mom. My childhood home. The lives like a water heater in the basement. Boiling water and sending steam up through metal pipes to heat the house and the thing is there are not radiators in every room of the house so depending on what fucking room you're in it could be like hot or like basically fucking cold. Have you shut the wrong door. You can start fucking up the heat flow. It boggles mind. There also is a gas fireplace in the living room but that is near where the like overall thermostat is so if you put on that delightful fire you trick the house thermostat into thinking all's well with our steam system you know everything's seventy degrees when really. It is just getting the wrong temperature from the gas fireplace. So like anytime. 'cause from the gas fireplace you basically terrified because you're about to confuse the steam punk system so it's almost useless you need to wear like a million sweaters. It's very strange to be adult in this rickety sinking ship of a house which you know my mom should i be. I shiver listens to what i'm saying. It just it's kind of a lot. It's why i'm house sitting for my mom while she's on vacation. Is that basically the wilderness of maine is ready to conquer this house just so fucking easily. If you fuck up at all it will destroy this house. You really will. They will break the steam system and it will freeze the pipes and everything will fall apart and so to be quite honest be alone here. I'm pretty worried about fuck it up to legacy surprising degree. All i need to do is manage the like heat situation and ideally like dumper now stand against or whatever but i feel like i'm gonna fuck it up i'm not quote a real man or like a real manner or a real american or a real inner. Whatever it is. I not capable of fixing things i know how to know paisley the water boiler thing is fucked up but as far as i understand like if i never make it warm enough to make me comfortable. I don't risk overworking the water. Boiler and embarrassing myself by destroying some keeping it absurdly gold basically then periodically turning gondola gas fireplace and inferior shutting off again and that is basically thousand management. I'm doing. That's the economics of adam. But i'll tell you It's only been six days. So i don't wanna get dramatic but i never really lived alone before i think it's fair to say divorced kid used to go back and forth to households any number of different sizes bounce around in my life mostly living with friends. You know you may have heard. I got married at some point was together with that women for seven years. I'm now divorced. Might be worth thinking about the fact that i basically never lived alone. I don't know that part of where i'm out with my life right now. Mess that i am. It's a humble sturdier mess and in this house a load of maine. If that's all i get out of it like of take it you know is naive to think it. Likely that technology can be phased out smoothly managed orderly way especially since the tech defiles will fight stubbornly at every step. Is it there for cruel to work for the breakdown of the system. Maybe maybe not in the first place. Revolutionaries will not be able to break the system of trouble so that would be chance of. Its eventually breaking down by itself anyway. The bigger the system grows the exasperating Down so it may be revolutionaries by hastening the onset of the break. We'll be producing instead of a disaster in the second place. One has the balanced store dead loss of freedom and dignity too many freedom and dignity. Life or avoidance of physical pain sides. We all have some sometime and it may be better fighting for survival or caused then live law but empty and purposeless kozinski nine hundred. Ninety five. i. I'm so ready. For critique of technology and modern industrial society that's like thorough and numbered and really doing like the kind of work that you can't expect the public to read. Unless you've murdered people. I was like so ready for that and i just found this to be such a disappointing bit of writing. That it was so weird and not illuminating. Even there there are just times where. I just had found him to be really unpleasant and lacking humanity and there are times i was like dude. Even if he is idea here is right. He doesn't have. He doesn't have the argument for his use of the word system throughout this is so frustrating. A lot of my notes are about how he's argued himself into a corner where a thorough critical appraisal of the system and its mechanisms is together appropriate. And he doesn't. It's not even that he doesn't seem capable of doing it. He doesn't but he doesn't even seem aware of that as possible task. He's not attentive to individual technologies. He does not seem to even regard them as worthy of that kind of attention the notion of an individual critique of certain technological artifact or even a movement does not make sense to him. I don't think he's read anything really i mean. I don't even know. He does bring up historical touchdowns. And i do think mark spitz named dropped once or twice. But no when. I like looked up the amish or whatever that telephone is the first thing they reject the amish and they reject labor saving devices and the reason is the according to wikipedia. Or whatever they d- it's promotes individuality and hurts your connection to the community to be using technology that frees you up for time in so empowers you that you're more likely to take an individual worldview. It occurs to me that that's the opposite of what ted seems to be saying. Which is weird kid. Doesn't actually make the case for the relationship between technology and community technology. Individuality obvious at all his conclusions individual. I wonder what he would think about even the term individuality because it's weirdly absent and yet it seems like a tani's is sort of a stand in for individual freedom which might take the place of individuality also just not that interested in technology. You know like if this is the thing that's ruining the world it kind of who's to pay attention to it's like features and how it acts but he just wants to treat it as model if it has to be chopped down so what about paragraph two seven. That didn't i was so happy to come near the end of this long sprawling essay many paragraphs of which have to do only with his hatred of leftists. I was very happy to arrive at a paragraph that was headed by the phrase two kinds of technology. I was like okay finally is going to get into the way. The technology works This didn't resolve your worry this fucking thing and by the way it's really chew eight. That has the distinction. Yeah kinds of technology. His two kinds of technology are small scale and organization dependent. Small-scale technology is technology. That can be used by small-scale communities without outside assistance organization dependent technologies technology that depends on large scale social organization. But it's it's such a stupid distinction because it's a completely sliding scale between like the people. I need to help you make a loom and the people need to help me make an integrated circuit. You know yet struck me as a particularly useless distinction. I mean i know what he's talking about when he says nowadays. We need tools to make the tools that make the tools but he does not seem to really spend time thinking about the route use of technology as a concept for a dude who has made that the tischler subject of his ire. Yeah i don't know what to do with a guy who's not interested in the essence of his main topic. It would be a really compelling argument to talk about how human individuality as experienced by human individuals changed as technology became more and more force in their lives. And he's just kind of very flat and you know Legislative about it that it got worse but to really understand how and why and what the steps were that would be a very very compelling argument to make if he thinks a shovel is technology but it seems to be. There is at some point. You start talking about technologies that are different than just basic tools. And i'm not sure where that line is where he thinks it is but as you move. It seems like the introduction of of certain technologies district to change that we perceive the world. The telephone like changes our sense of distance and where other people are. You know what i mean. The way that he slices up technology makes it so hard to know what he thinks about a shovel. Because it's all about the networks of dependencies to get the materials even for the technology like he talks his. His example of refrigeration is an organization dependent technology. Because you can't like source. The fucking hydrofluorocarbons yourself. And in in that view almost everything is an organization every technology. Now it is right one hundred percent. That's exactly right. I mean the the thing about modern globalized like capitalist economy. That i feel like is worth noting. I mean it's true. There's also managed to climb as with quotas baba but did the whole thing is. You can't make a pencil without on your own. You can't search at all. I mean maybe in the most generous reading that's his beef right globalization a lot of people in the ninety s especially nafta era. Like his sort of that. We have made a. He's not speaking about an capitalist terms. But we've made essentially like a capitalist network. That is all dependent on each other that you can't make a shovel nowadays. Does he believe that. Technological advancement is a disaster. Be because it will collapse in and of itself or does he believe that. It's just a problem. Having to do with human freedom. Technological society for him means a forcibly interconnected society which is part of the problem that he rails against. He says the system tries to solve the problem of that like interconnectiveness in how people are excluded from their own decision. Making the system tries to solve this problem by using propaganda. Make people want the decisions that have been made for them but even if the solution work completely successful in making people feel better it would be demeaning yeah in paragraph one seventy four one gets quoted by bill joy where he says that in the future even if things go great humanity will be the status of domestic animals like that seems to imply it could go on but humanity is he sees. It will just get more and more degraded until ceases to exist. He actually says like the system is creating a situation where we're all going to be driving each other around in taxicabs or whatever did strike me as somewhat ironic and accurate. That part is one of the stronger series at a future in which we are only dedicating ourselves to service and will be as competitive or as compliant as we need to be in order. Like big for our scraps. One of the weird things about his concern with freedom is he seems to see freedom as incredibly fragile thing almost everything you can think of in society. He is citing as something that takes away individual freedom. This is from ninety. Four real quick one does not have freedom if anyone else especially a large organization has power over one no matter how benevolently tolerantly and permissively that power maybe exercised period if anyone or any organization has any kind of power over you. You're not free now. That's indistinguishable true or false. That's indistinguishable from living in a society. Yeah basically i mean it's it's very simplistic and sort of adolescent to believe that you can have no obligations that might on a very surface level limit your freedom but in a larger sense like make you more free. But it's like maybe we're just like two sheep fide man like maybe we're just to in it like he looks at anyone doing anything that's not Survival related and basically says like they're just surrogate eating their power process and their unfree and they don't even know it one of the things. I found very frustrating about that whole surrogate activity actual real survival. Shit is how arbitrary it is that he has decided that there's a hierarchy there where one is such bullshit and one is super real when you could obviously believe that following the necessities of life is smaller and they're like creating art is a much higher thing to do not just some weekends surrogate activity. It doesn't make an argument to support the value system that he likes his adopting his main. Rhetorical argument is that industrial society is going to collapse and so we should do it sooner rather than later but does no attempt to say like you know and the thing that will come after fantastically. We'll have nature again like deer. Walk through creeks and like site of us or whatever the pleasure he seems to be trying to protect nature is like articulated nowhere right. Yeah i mean through. The andes seems to say like all revolutionary movements have to have like two polls one thing they railing against your railing four and we pick nature for the thing that we're we're railing for. I mean nature in that cynical way might not be anything more than like a symbolic like rallying cry for his. Anti technology is eire's he might have no pleasure in it. I don't think he actually does value nature. Particularly i mean i think he's in the cabin to avoid crowded and other people. He is confusing isolation with freedom. If you answer to anybody in any respect Even like interacting. Some you know. Put your fucking blinker on. He seems to believe like this is a major attack on your freedom. But i think it has to do a lot more with his comfortably as with other people. Can i ask a question of like. What is the future of the ted wants or something like what does he really want. What does he want. America to look like if he gets his way. I think he wanted to be full of people who No longer have to suppress their individual wills in a collective project instead do it by like chopping wood or you know contemplating the stars or something all on. So is there a government. No no he wants society as we know it to fall apart n. To return to a hunter gathering small scale like primitive society. That's that's that's what he wants. He wants he wants what tyler durden wants. Fight club basically. That's what i think so. I think i mean that is an archaism. Right or arco primitivism. Or something i mean. Anarchism is an arco primitivism nature of anarchy. I would claim. Don't tell america's. I don't think he is actually positive about this vision of society falling apart and hunting elk on the super highway or whatever i think he's just too doesn't like what we have and would rather die fighting it and thinks there's a good chance it'd be better but even if it's not better fucking he doesn't like civilization. I think fundamentally it's a negative view. I'm glad you brought up the point where he says it might be better to die. Fighting this thing than to live a purposeless life in the in the great words of henry david thoreau. the unabomber. Seems to agree that like a real purpose and responding to a real calling might be more noble than living sort of dreary unquestioning lives right. Yea i. I almost wonder if he's like home. Aside -ly jealous of somebody like throw where throw can derive fucking meeting throw needs by turning over rocks and looking at the answer underneath it and enraptured and i don't think ted has that kind of relationship with the nature he's killing people to protect. No i think he's only a worshiper of nature in insofar as they needs it for pr and also maybe sort of glamour. A lot of what he likes about being alive under the heading of nature because clearly what what he thinks we he likes about being alive is sort of like fighting for his own survival in a non surrogate way that involves his power process actually being active but in terms of what he's bombing to protect. I don't think he's trying to protect anything. I think he's just like i think he just pissed off. He can't be all the way alone. The things that he talks about for the power process. Your survival needs rather than seeing that. As sort of basic requirements animalistic necessities. He sees it as like a grounded. Noble authentic way of living that reversal allows him to then like dismiss literally all activities beyond that beyond trying to live in your little hut. It's amazing to me that he doesn't consider seem to be bothered by the possibility that it is his isolation itself that makes him need to fucking do this yet. No and that would that would mean admitting he's wrong about all of this and i don't think he's willing to do that but i also think it might just be a long protracted suicide as well. I mean at one point. He says when. I'm caught hopefully not alive Exclamation point in in that respect. It is i. It makes sense to me as a product in some ways of isolation. Because when you don't subject your ideas to anyone for any extended period of time you just are allowed to sort of build ornate additions onto them than the things become more and more cemented and more and more you become more and more like indefatigable in your belief of them which is not a healthy way to be period right and then when you talk about as isolation. I don't think we're talking about the isolation that started when he moved that cabin. He's moving to the cabin because he's already isolated right pretty pretty amazing experience to go up there and see how he was living. The cabin was was really small. I imagine based the almost the size of the standard bedroom. If you will was the was the size of it um with an upstairs adequate face area that stuff and so the seeing this remote cabin in the woods snuck in the middle of the sow open area of trees kind of off the beaten path. A little it was on a drive with a couple of their homes so wasn't completely isolated and remote. He was accessible by roads that lead into town. Which was lincoln. Montana march twenty twenty. So this quick background may i. I was beyond twenty years on here in los angeles and Works in a variety of white collar cases. I got into bandit crimes and sly team for most of my career. And that's really what led me to be involved with the the new bomber case just because we did security after the arrest was may be state of the atom primarily to keep the press away that was really my involvement with this case was more on an aware of it because it was the time the largest investigation longest investigation by the fbi worked on for over all of us trying to figure this guy was at i persons not involved with that investigative side of it It was all their conducted. Multiple search warrants on the on. The cabin obviously identified a lot of the points and things that went into his bomb-making some of the writings that he had. I got there actually. A chain link fans have been put up around the cab a lot of issues with people trying to come in and see it really more control than we were or anything else. When we were there time. I got there which is a week or two after. He was arrested but their we. A decision was made to take account off mountains. I was our that team that actually elp breath the cabin we had to go in and we immature everything that was left inside the cavern Interesting see that and then we pulled the the cabin off mom with the kids on lama but attractor while on topic and a down last though it's the very involved with that the insists will educate ersan odyssey of very very bright guy with slowly and then working at university of berkeley yet. The amazing career start off for such a young guy Bene- destroy unplug and go live like that so anyway and like that is is pretty Pretty interesting i mean he had no power had a big Woodworking so fire stove inside the cabin and He added these shelves that he in on the shelves Hundreds of little bottles that contained and everything very well label you know carrot seeds any label month and year that harvest the seeds from whatever your yet raspy us for Bieber this triumph sufficient and and have all the things that he would need to spy. What was it sort of like to be you emotionally as you're coming on the scene and looking around. Yeah you know it was. You feel like you're part. I guess and just being able to firsthand touching feel where this guy live. Get a little bit of a sansom. What he was doing obviously learning the background investigation and learning subsequently is very after the facts on some of the things that he would say. How lived those things. We're all feeling for santa's gonna gives you a feeling of some type of closure released understanding. But i also understood that. My role was lamar july. So i if i had been part of investigative team in or goals years would have been a much different feeling for me personally heart of the bigger you know. Fbi and being part of the plight of that organization at those years comeback effort. Proud of You know in that you know the the cases are made you know from agents who work are right in an each an agent as their involvement but the case long yacht of passion and drive by the folks that were working that that you know i. It's a i don't explained that is is is the was hemingway. it's a man right and As part of it as that that haunt in that changed hoping that you can come about one. He's they'll turn table on identifying this guy have have you personally read The the the manifesto. Ted's manifesto not entire And together understanding of what know. Try to understand his motivations. Were with a lot of things now. Even the violence thicker with you. Know soccer's nothing's come across our cable now on my company in. Everyone wants to try to understand. Why excellent does something while. We're not going to allow times because we're not. We're not thinking like that. We don't have whatever it is is causing them to be off lion normal thinking and so when you're dealing with trying to evaluate that in the standing wire how you read that manifesto helps give some insight as to how he was thinking. But it doesn't for me equate to i'm standing. You know i. I don't think likeness. But i understand his motivations breath them but the best value added obviously the value of that manifesto at the end of it always helps identify who it was technology. Changes every day in and candidly cripples. Your february two thousand twenty. Can we spoke to you once before. Yeah thank you. Thank you for doing this with us again. My pleasure. I have a burning question for you. I think we all have the same burning question. Can how did you come to acquire books that were previously owned by ted kaczynski. The unabomber okay So a ghost of my past is that i was acting full-time for film film and television I was working for an employer named Walt disney inc who. I don't love so. I was being paid too much to do a job that i didn't like or respect and i didn't by extension like or respect myself because i'm a good little protestant Who you know connects too much of his identity to his job anyway. So i'm being paid too much. And i don't know how i found out about an online auction of kaczynski's personal effects from his cabin from which he was caught and ceased had been Like a minor kosinski enthusiasts as a teenager. And so i found out about this auction and i clicked on it and it was hosted by the general services administration so this auction was to benefit. Ted's victims so i started to scan through it. The thing i was really interested in was a first draft of industrial society in its future But that quickly like flew into the tens of thousands of dollars and even with my silly paychecks i. I wasn't willing to go that far. So i was looking at other things and i found a a modestly quote unquote a modestly priced lot and it was for five paperback books found in his cabin and i bid on it and then somebody outbid me and i bid on it again and this went back and forth and i thought damn i really want these books and i won eventually and i have the little document the purchasers receipt authority to release property here for government exhibit. Eighteen dash two oh four one in And lovely lovely woman named tanya dillard who works at the general services administration semi this receipt. And apparently i paid two thousand five hundred and twenty eight dollars for for these books and the the property description says. She had a rather extensive collection of books in his montana cabin. The books included these titles which had special relevance to the bomb investigation and federal search warrants to enter kaczynski's montana cabin men in the book titles chinese political thought in the twentieth century the ancient engineers the technological society the true believer in violence in america. So i mailed the check and my friend lives in atlanta and this is where the gsa at least some of the gsa headquarters are are located in atlanta. So i said hey. Can you go pick up the unabomber's books and mail them to me. And he said sure. And then i. I received a fedex package with this very serious looking at like sick ziplock evidence bag full full of five Pretty beaten up paperback books. And you know they've got heads handwriting in him and his little underlines notes and very quaint so they smell like smoke. No religious smell like old book. They you know. They smell like degrading pulp. I mean this is in two thousand. Eleven so jesus i was twenty one you know and being paid too much and i thought yeah. I'm going to channel some disney's money into the dark arts. Let's fucking do this. So that's how. I own them and sense. I've tried to sell them Because i don't need them nor do i really admired ted anymore And nobody'll buy them. It's pretty great. It's just it's it's a really good piece of evidence about the the the truth of the claim that had so much easier to get yourself into something that is to get yourself out of something. My wife also last night tried to convince me to just mail them to you all as like a surprise. And i'm still considering that so just beware. Did you spend any time sort of thumbing through the books are there. Are there particular annotations or additions added. That are that are interesting about. Ted's sort of time with these books that you notice. Yeah let me let me crack. Open the bag here. I haven't In just a of qualified like these books are are were actually. Chinese political thought in the twentieth century is in pretty neat shape in the true believers is not in terrible shape although that book is notoriously bound really poorly but the other three are really fucked up. I mean they're look bad. I mean i would say that you have the jacques elul book that maybe is one of his primary influences. Yeah logical society and this book is very warm This book is is pretty pretty. Well worn but it's kinda strange because the outside the cover in the spine are very fucked up looking but the the interior pages for the most part are pretty clean Which is interesting These really read it poser. There are very few places in which there's any sort of margin whatsoever on page twenty. Which i think is the first bit of. Yeah the first marked section in the book There's a sentence in the first full paragraph. that's underlying in. It says the skilled worker like the primitive huntsmen remains a technical operator. Their attitudes differ only to a small degree. So that's that's underlined. that's also there was The book came with a piece of paper being used as a temporary bookmark. And that hasn't moved from where it was when i received the books in the mail. There's a little bit of dirt on quite a few of the pages in his thumbprint. You can see his thumbprints like here and there during thumbprints he's not notorious for leaving prince behind their scores of people in the united states. Government who hoped to one day. See attorney thumbprints. I guess i have it. I'm just scanning through the rest of the book. Because i think there's only maybe one to two other places in here that he actually marked. That's so embarrassing for him. I know reading it. You wouldn't think he actually read it like he. He does have tons of margin alien in the true believer offer book and most of ted's margin. Elliot's pretty critical But the other books yeah. I mean chinese political thought in the twentieth century. Either some little places. In which underlined but this one is very clean. Oh boy i just found a. I think a pretty juicy one here. This is in the history of violence in america. I don't know this is pretty heartbreaking to me at this page six ninety four at the beginning of a paragraph. it's all underlined But then there's a piece marginality that will leave as the punchline so it says the crucial point is this no human being so long as he lives is ever completely gratified and the satisfaction of needs up. To the moment of his death must eat and sleep. He must be with people. He asked to be acknowledged as distinct person in he must realize individual potential and in the margin in all capital letters with an exclamation mark. Is the word false. The one his life is to set out to disprove that in some ways but also his claim that all these people who get all their needs met all the time and so are have to do surrogate activity or some other bullshit dramatically contradicted by the claim that actually our needs are not always made. It's a constant process will never be able to go. We need to make perfect sense to me that he would have to write false. Both on a personal level in philosophically. Because it's a threat to him. Like i mean he just has to write it off. Otherwise yes it start taking other people seriously in some more meaningful than he's willing to seriously deadly threat for ted to have to think about where he is in what he's doing any critical at all Yeah i mean that to me is just the piece of margin that the most exemplifies islam ringer. It's almost performative. Like he knew someday people are gonna find his books and he wanted to be on the record. It was for. You can use for you and for me. Oh boy and learn quickly when i retired. Kema grad investigator is nothing more powerful than the behind him in the of the door akron his reputation that was built. Before i got there that allowed us to have that that mystique rank for good or bad. You know people. Will you show them around care of your local gang banger. ceo the company fbi knocks the door. People take notice whatever reason. Tk over wherever salinas back. When i was a kid. I always wanted to be an fbi. When i was a young adult in i applied to the fbi with the process. I don't i can say right now. I didn't really know what that meant. I like the idea of writing wrong. Was so that way. When i was a kid. Kids picked on the playground Trying to help help people are was the inner drive for me What i always said in in. I don't sometimes Sound a little bit I don't know if it's arrogant or what i found when i was to. Do you know particularly with the slot team. That was for whatever reason. I remember reading something michael jordan said about. You know everything. Just you know when he's playing basketball Outrage wasn't in everything just kind of slow down. It's natural for him. I felt the same way. When when i was doing things like soid the tuesday that miss the most is one the sense of mission purpose. I love what i'm doing now. I have a great time when our company in a lot of great investigative work imperative feeling that races chase of somebody. Did something really bad for more sense emissions not same in think part of the training of it's the teamwork in order coats. Your with your so focused on the job emission. What's the next step. What should we do next that either. Their slot things we rested. Neil neil hundreds of viner rentals. I never really thought. I thought about stamp parents be focused always mission drip so you can flip that which you to focus on a mission. There are some cases. We get them all with. Were mike lance making my slice. Still get that a little bit bursting in and the second thing is is the camaraderie particularly for me. I was fortunate to be with us. Law team in the bonds. I have with those guys run one with me the rest of my life. You know my my closest friends all our team in is that that camaraderie in that In this little piece of it involved things that are so so newsworthy. Just a rightful thing able to share with guys were like minded motivated driven. Nothing benzene standing shoulder solo guys like that. I missed that. The best cases the has ever done because the people the agents that are out there working in it's all orbis is pride in what they do and i'm very fortunate to have been in. I had there's agents that were just believe ably excellent and their agents. That were wavering mediocre. But they all people you know. And that's the one thing i could lead in our bill my desk for six months and a really good people and they all have a sense of of care in inserm for those around them at other people in 'support that i really enjoyed being part of that that that component was consistent and then you get a group of like minded guys that are really motivated that whitewater cases an loving slot. And you're getting you know to me for my personality. I'm getting in that one percent of people that i like swim with and this is. This is my group. Because i made as motivated more of your long term care. I tell my kids us settle but they gotta show up a little work. You can't wait for that bowl dream. He's always be be to yourself in not be afraid. That pursue the things that motivate and drive you because for twenty years they say will work one day in the british correct Fourteen hours dead. I never wants to go. You were there. There's one line in the manifesto one eighty five. It's i think it's a little bit and torres because it has the can't eat your cake habit to as opposed to the other way around and i guess that help people hunt him down. But the whole line is as for the negative consequences of eliminating industrial society. While you can't eat your cake have it to to gain one thing. You have to sacrifice another and i don't think i've encountered very many senses. That allied Death in a way that that sends allied steph. Yeah i think at one point. I thought yeah. This seems obviously true to me that we're living in a culture of death in that culture is premised And propped up primarily by tools and the tools are sort of killing us. But then i got chronically ill and suddenly my thoughts about what level of technological sophistication is good or bad They change quite a bit when i came to rely on. Technological sophistication ought to die. So i think that you know like acceleration. Est arguments always crave kind of death in the way that you know. Futurist arguments crave kinda death but like the back to nature acceleration est arguments really our ablest as fuck I you know you. Just you have the fact that the poor and sick among us those people get fucked. I that that has made me really Come to not admire his thinking really at all. Because i think that it is so dismissive of life If the whole argument is oh we got a. We actually have to firm life. And this is my Contrarian way of opening up to the truth. I just don't i'm sick of the means the same old means i think that if you're doing anything with the means of those who you despise You're boring and we've been doing that shit for four thousand years and we actually have to reform the means if we want to do anything. Well i don't know did so to me. It's like not interesting anymore. You know what we're once was interesting to me as as any other girl to your fascism. That's just been you know a day to day thing I think that he desired change so deeply that he probably convinced himself the only way he could achieve it as like becoming this full kiro and i don't know full. Heroes who blow people up is sort of the logic of death is all hidden in there. Just the idea of retreat from this thing that you think of is is bad. I like to think pre-stages the fact that you are gonna like if not kill people as head did at least abet all sorts of death from your little cabin in the woods anyway. It's a rotten seed if you're doing violence to maintain the belief that you or your your cronies are superior to others That's fascism and that logically. The end of fascism is to kill everyone else. That isn't you to think of yourself as a prophet in any secular context immediately strips away. The possibility of any other life being sacred. So you you already you know. You're you're fucking good to go. You got the green light. And then the pair that with advocating for violence and violence is the only way to solve the problem of death and affirm the status life. I think yeah. I just. I don't see ted harboring any love for any individual period. He stands in for all those who want fundamental change and one affirm life but who are unwilling to do the extremely hard and pitiless work of pursuing life by life's means not percent wife by death needs. We've already seen that we can. We can do it. it just i dunno. It's really hard. And i think it's a lot easier to run to run and hide. You know you see this everywhere you see it in. Obviously all of the like accelerations nerd thinking now. And i think you see in the bring back the guillotine Twitter herds great compassion. I used to be one question. I was thinking about asking you before the the three of us have talked about and i was reminded of when you brought up. The guillotine is like if ted had bombed different people if you only targeted destroyers bombed only fossil fuel executives or d. foresters or colonizers in some way would we would we look at it differently. Yeah because the. Because i think the very elegant way in which you were talking about the logic of death being present in his ethos would still be there even if he were bombing. The right people. Yeah i don't know who the we is there. Like i feel like i. Would you know a few years ago. I probably would've been. I would've celebrated that and just that phrase like a person can kill the right kind of people that already. Soon as you buy into that you're sunk. You are just another product of the same boring ass history. I mean i. I saw on twitter recently. Like somebody sort of allowed. What are you gonna think when you know some seventeen year old like pizza. Fossil fuel exact. The tweet was implying that we should get our head we should. We should try to understand how we're gonna feel an advance about that in like have some sort of judgment ready to go about it and i just felt like when i read that i felt so much fucking anguish for that person who coup articulated that thought. You are already trapped. Your foot is already in the second snare. If you think that you you have to formulate a judgment about that thing that events like the judgement is obvious. It's such a poverty of thinking to try to believe that no matter how righteous your causes that the only realms are the realm of words and the realm of like murder. Do you know what. I'm saying that there be no other action sword and the pin. Yeah that's it. That's if you don't have the pen it's time to use the sword. I mean if their oath only murder and like tweets were options. That's that fossil fuel to read really is a world. Where like get your tweets ready for this murder. Yeah because i'm really hoping the fucking seventeen year olds have better ideas than our parents did. Let alone better ideas. That like a french has in. Who's looking starving can. Because you're tied into the system medically the way people are. Do you imagine that or like worry about the fact that some thing like an insurance company could do to you would reignite like stuff that is laden. Everyone i think yeah. And i i mean i'll just be totally honest with you Every time that. I have to change insurance companies. I wanna fucking kill somebody like an and i say that with total honesty. Wait this is not me using hyperbole and this is not me being idiomatic like i immediately in those moments of stress and feeling so vulnerable. Feeling so enslaved that my body is just totally reliant on the whims of my master's or whatever i say grant the goodness of killing and To me this is the biggest problem that i have existing in america because i am brought constantly to the desire to kill and thinking that like. Yeah it's good and right and that these people should be fucking dead all that sort of pain and frustration and and really like some dark sock and bots I've either don't want to like. I try to convert it into some kind of action. You know like doing something for medicare for all are doing something political on a local scale or even just like trying to turn that frustration into some sort of public articulation of why. This sucks all right something publish it or whatever but you know in by doing that i move myself away from violence and move myself towards something that is more i think social ultimately i dunno trying to cook more often. Let's cool what he cooking I'm trying to learn how to be an adult and I guess adults cook regularly. Yeah so i heard that. I love that fucking love. It and i'm not like i'm trying not to really fetish is understanding to to meet that basic human need which will never satisfy me according to some people other people. That's false. yeah yeah. Is there anything you wish all your experiences dealing with criminals over the years. Is there anything you wish you could say to some particularly frustrated person. Who's listening to this podcast right now. You could be like listen. I i was around a million criminals. Just remember this one thing. Just keep this one thing in mind. Is this the one thing that i've always said in dealing with when subjects and everything else. They'll no matter what you're going to treat them fairly humans. In fact i had a couple of thousand one One intermission session when the jury is out in the defendant looked over at the hip hat on i had my son its annual Sign is talking to me like that and talking. And then the attorney looked at me and says how can these guys like. You achieved them like humans. I mean they made a mistake. They're going to have to deal with it. I'm not going to back off on that but on the treat you i'm gonna talk about their families things so the one thing that is the compassionate you have for people not understanding that people are gonna make mistakes essay. Judge them now. I do think there's people who whatever reason you know they're not gonna change right you know. It's understanding that you're responsible for your actions regardless of what you wanna use an excuse as to how you got there and whether you be raised in wealthy family and you had everything given to you or whether you grew up in the inner city i think everybody has the opportunity to make that decision Great thing about this country you have the ability yourself to make the decisions and work. It may take harder work for some people because of your circumstances but if you work hard towards doing the right thing you'd things will happen. We had a huge problem in this country. Socioeconomic issues in the inner city. In i talk with these people that go in Arrests and it seems a little kids in it. Would -tarian are six kids but those kids still have the opportunity to make a decision decisions. So the one thing. I would hope that somebody anybody not working with the community you know. Continue to show them that. There's hope in the path that you can do. You have to do it in you have to be tough on. They care that you're dan is in. Jail is sad horrible. What are you gonna do about. You gotta show tomorrow. Live and i think. Sometimes we as a country coddle more than we should help people great but for sam to help themselves. That's that's my philosophy whether it's running around. I don't know that's how i think neighborliness or something it works. Both ways you'll neighborly. I shadow story you. I had a whole individual by my house up where living in ventura county and the guy's got more aggressive belong. I will never do anything about him. He came up to my door. One day with kids in the car. Hit a lot of issues within this in canton. Right behind my nice little subdivision in a city but that doesn't matter. I guess the guy had mental issues in china the point starting to if you will terrorize us. We extreme more but caused problems in neighborhood and law do anything so it works both ways. You can be kind to a point where someone's not going to fit in and be part of the community in helping it's all about them and her denounce rock community. We got a couple of ways. Fix that too so it works both ways you give people opportunity. But they don't wanna play well in one person's affected ninety nine people. You know we as a community to stand up to that. I think we've lost a little of that. Two individuals override everything else. And i think it works on both sides of scientists cyber aren't take us for example. Fc if we had never done anything violent and had submitted the president writings to publisher they probably would not have been accepted. You didn't even try if they had been accepted and published. They probably would not have attracted many readers because it's more fun to watch. Entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. One of the things grappling with is his own intellectual insecurity and then he's also worried about publishing something and no one reads it. he's worried about. I think how bad that would feel. So he wants to get in mass media and he's like a lot of people would rather read mass media then a sober essay. That's why i turned your mass media into a sober essay today. I think what is happening in this paragraph. He saying okay. It's more fun to do. Entertainment than to read sober essays however violence are violence has changed that equation. Somehow it's the violence doesn't have a purpose except it does to you dear reader. You're reading this because you care about the violence. Can we really talk about the last line of ninety six in order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression. We've had to kill people. Yeah do you guys think that the document is more important to him and killing people. I really do think this is particularly cowardly way to kill people and that his desire to kill people might have been itself very very subsidiary to like desire to prove marty was or desire to reach out. And fuck over those san francisco leftists or whatever like i i don't see in him again desire to kill people at all. I wonder though like it's a very strange act to have these fourteen bombs over whatever it is like twenty years. I think there's an irony. That's being enjoyed to. About the fact that i mean to some extent a these bombs are intricate technological devices. Right i just think like if. I sent a present to a friend of mine in the mail right. I'm excited about that. Seeing passing through space to get to them to like produce in effect or like make them happier. Whatever i find it so hard to imagine that. If i sent a bomb to somebody. I wouldn't be like intensely fixated. On the fact that i had done something that was going to make an effect happen like if all of us now have to live being affected by the decisions made by distant people. We have no chance of influencing like. That feels unfair to him. And he's outraged by it and he's giving them a little taste of their own fucking medicine by being that same kind of force on his chosen people like. Oh you think you got a book in the mail. Fuck you like you would be saying to the victims like doesn't feel shitty not to have a choice doesn't feel shitty to be at the whims of Seemingly benevolent system. That can by the wills of one interconnected person to you. Take your hand off or something like that right On on paragraph one eighty one under section called strategy He says the two main tasks for the president are one to promote social stress and instability in industrial society and to to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. It's pretty clear that the document before us is to write develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology is are the bombings number one to him. Yes i don't think you can make much of a claim that the bombings are number one was not. This is not a situation where bill gates shaking in his boots about the prospect of a bomb. Arriving i mean most of the time they weren't able to connect these bombings and no one had any idea why they had happened. So the is russell when people die but three people over whatever it is of twenty year period is not like the most useful thing he could have done. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that he doesn't make the case for the people he does. This is if justice was on his side. I would want more of a john brown presence here in this. I would want some claim to justice if there was justice on his head right like i mean. I'm just. I'm trying to think of like who i would have to be to have a math. Phd that was claimed by like adviser and all read it from a prestigious math program and then to feel like i had done something so worthless had to leave society. I don't know that it's related to his feeling of worthlessness that he left society. Right could be a very much in our judgment. I mean if the prestige accrue to him by having ridden a successful math. Phd doesn't seem to stay in society like what is making him leave it well. That's not all that much prestige number one and like an part of his problem is that he views this as a sub version of something reeler so even if he got a lot of accolades he suspects that those people don't really get it. I mean i i felt. I've even felt it a little bit being back in maine that feeling of loneliness of feeling sort of rejected it adequate and inferior and sort of trying to figure out how to think about yourself. If you haven't run into anybody who likes you in some period of time it's shitty feeling and it's very easy to like read newspapers and be like i hate all these fucking people and i. I don't know to what extent everyone has felt that. But i have felt that before and i cannot even begin to imagine what it'd be like to have that. Be your tire social experience in your life that maybe this. What does it take to get from that feeling too. I'm going to the woods. i don't. I don't know all of us who don't fleet of the woods. Find some way to get past that moment. So i'll have to get out of yourself. Yes so what does it mean for someone to go to the woods. I'm deciding not to get out of myself ever. I'm gonna freeze this moment and live in it. Yeah that's the danger and this is something we've talked about it on the podcast a lot. It's like in those moments even though it feels like you're filled with grievance and other people are letting you down like the way out of that dark like whole is to try to find some community to try to help someone else go to a meeting do something because if you go the other way it's just not clear. What breaks that pattern right. I mean i. I can imagine hating myself so deeply and so completely that like going to a cabin in the woods is a way of like you know of mantia wing that part of myself. That was a huge source of pain embarrassment. And shame the part of me that had to deal with other people. And like i just having a fire sale myself and pretending that the parts of me that embarrassed me and make other people laugh at me don't exist by being alone all the time. Yeah that seems like a really straightforward like dude thing to do to me to ultimately to feel better about yourself or to only like not not to give yourself self esteem right but just to decrease the level of pain of being alive and around other people because you go there because it's safer. Yeah exactly that's right no matter how shameful you are if it's not being witnessed if you're not feeling like that shameful nece that whatever it's that fucked up at nece that reject ability in yourself if that is in be forced to recognize 'cause you're actually like alone experienced some relief i think i also think there are some idea of purity. There's a kind of purity in the idea of. I'm going to cut all people off from me. I'm going to dispense with all my striving towards society. Because of my failures in my efforts to do that thing. I think maybe i wonder if it's not a certain kind of personality that doesn't also value that kind of purity at the very moment that we're saying they experience all this pain. Those things don't have to go together very often they don- yeah like there's also this feeling of Like if i tried to imagine being understanding to a person who wronged me. What i'm really doing is trying to imagine what the world is like from their perspective. And to see how. I could be like other than i think. I am to myself through other people's eyes right and then there are some people who think that that's not only to difficult. It's like it's demeaning to them that they have to cast their mind out of their own life into somebody else's head and to a person who's like that like a black and white world where people are either with you or against you. People are sources of pain sources of comfort. Like that's a radicalizing way to live right. Where if you have some little like argument you have with yourself when there's no need cause to imagine how it sounds from somebody else's perspective that argument can just amplify itself over and over again every time you have it with yourself until i can easily imagine you got to kill people were yourself i guess yeah exactly except you might have to g go to kill yourself like belie your certain the project guy out there in the first place. Eagles xactly the go a deciding to like be alone in sarobi sort of not particularly pleasant and agreeable all the time but he still is is a social being even when he's not social is a habit of be like myself like i don't care about fancy duds and i just like talk to real like farmer. Talk to whoever comes to visit me. But they're still all of these other people who get to tell anecdotes about him being grump and that is somehow very different than to actually be isolated and writing letters to your family being like. This is all your fault. You have done wrong by me. There really is a kind of dangerous self serious deaths where you're going to the woods is the fuck you to the village that is so profound. You're losing track of what's even in charge of you get with making your decisions for yourself. It's really true that being alone or like more particularly not accountable to other people socially or whatever. That's that's a way of making a really intricate machine to live inside of it. It's exactly not simplifying to be alone. You know when i I was living with my ex. I i realized that like some of the tv shows that we were watching. Were bad like really bad. And i like. I would have these moments usually moments that i was alone and i'd be like man i don't i can't believe i'm like wasting precious hours watching this bad. Tv i only want to watch the good tv. But i can't because i'm with another person you know and i tried to say maybe we should only watch the tv ones. It's bad just turn it off. But then that's there's tension there version me and person now and if i want none of that tension and if i met all worried in analogous ways like i myself was worried about the bad tv. Then one option. I guess is like tear it all down. Be an being a nation of one right right because then you have no one to answer to and all of your bad tv Life decisions can remain angel. Pure you can have to embroil yourself. None of the trashy tv the only way to really none is to be alone about it. Freedom club total fucking solitude ottonomy as absolute pure nothingness. Put you there you as far as the eye can see. You are inside your own self. Nobody bothering you. What could be of a recipe. Unalloyed finally i can see myself. Would be like the temptation writer. but he's in. He's just another hurting. He's another hurting dude. Who doesn't know what to do with that hurt and frustration. That sort of throbbing sense. Of like i don't know powerless. Missing grievance and stuff like that. Totally isn't uncommon. That isn't exceptional. You need to blackmail the new york times or bomb anyway. He strikes me as very childish. Only in the sense of like being able to deal with emotions or other people but in the sense of hearing the world to be utterly black and white place For it to make sense and for him to feel like he can move through at any kind of safety One of the ways in which it is child is also i believe is that he becomes obsessed with his disempowerment. Like so many elliot rodgers and shooters in the world. And i think there is a i do think there's a real danger that is inherent in all of us though to become a little bit obsessed with your disempowerment. I think at like that. Little tv story i told as a very low stakes anecdote is a moment where i think you glimpse disempowerment and you threaten to become obsessed with it or you threaten to sort of pushed the envelope on that disempowerment and you can excuse. I think all kinds of behavior under the auspices of getting your autonomy back and that is a very dangerous but not all that unpopular tendency particularly in white men. I think yeah. That is the thing that can happen to a person in a moment for a week at a particular year. After a break-up like that that obsession and the behavior that you can self condone is there is a risk. I think lurking out there. I have received a package here in maine dressed. Eric g from ken baumann in santa fe. New mexico let's see okay like god they are well. I'm gonna open this fucking evidence bag. Looks like and pick up a book that the unabomber want in thumbing through this book. I myself am checking my own hands to see. If there's any sort of yuna bomber dirt getting onto me. this is incredible to be holding. You know not. Because i'm a social huge fan or anything like that of the unabomber but just to think about all the havoc wrought and a lot of it stemmed in his mind from this book and here is the book now in my own little cabin in me. I can't believe. I look forward to explain this one day to the fbi.

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Eric Schmidt  Lessons from a Trillion-Dollar Coach (#367)

The Tim Ferriss Show

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Eric Schmidt Lessons from a Trillion-Dollar Coach (#367)

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Hello, boys and girls lads and Lassus madams misuses, Tim Ferriss and welcome to another up sort of the Tim Ferriss show where it is my job to deconstruct world class performers. What on earth does that mean, it means teasing out lessons learned habits routines, favorite books, etc? From people who are at the top of their field or fields and that can range from business to sports from chess to unit military strategy and this episode we have an icon. I would say a fair description. Eric Schmidt at Eric Schmidt who is technical advisor and board member to alphabet Inc, where he advises its leaders on technology, business and policy issues. Eric joined Google in two thousand one and helped grow the company from a Silicon Valley startup to global leader and technology he served as Google's chief executive officer that CEO from two thousand. And one to two thousand eleven and executive chairman from two thousand eleven to two thousand eighteen alongside founders Sergei Brin Larry page. He has some incredible stories and his career is is just incredible to consider disgust me. Get into lots of specific takeaways lessons et cetera under his leadership, Google traumatically scaled its infrastructure and diversified its product offerings while maintaining a strong culture of innovation and he believes that innovation can be systematized, by the way, and we get into what that means. Eric serves on the boards of the mayo clinic and the broad institute. Others his film throwback efforts through the Schmidt family foundation folks on climate change, including support of ocean and marine life. Studies at sea as well as education, specifically, cutting edge research and technology in the natural sciences and engineering his founder of Schmidt futures which works to improve societal outcomes through the development of emerging science and technology. He's also the co author of several books. The new digital age how Google works and his latest book trillion dollar coach to hell of a title subtitle. The leadership playbook of silicon valley's Bill Campbell, which he co authored with Jonathan Rosenberg and Alan eagle. I've been fascinated by Bill Campbell for decades. And when I moved to Silicon Valley two thousand I wanted to someday have a chance to speak to him directly. Unfortunately, he passed away several years ago, and in this conversation, I finally get to ask a lot of the questions. I've always wanted to ask about Bill Campbell who mentored or better put coached a who's who of people in Silicon Valley? And did it without getting paid. It's a crazy meaning he chose not to get paid. It's such a wild story. And it was an incredible opportunity to have a chance to sit down with Eric to discuss that and much more from his life. So without further ado, please enjoy this conversation with Eric Schmidt. And for more info on the book, which I highly recommend checking out you can go trillion dollar coach dot com. Enjoy. Eric welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. So if we flash forward, and I'm sure we will jump around in in a very non linear fashion when I look at your your undergrad experience. I is it true that you started architecture, and then shifted to electrical engineering. That's right. You know software didn't really exist at the time. Computer science didn't really exist as a field. I had been programming. I was in high school. It was a rare event at the time. When I meet some fifteen year old boy got has three computers, and is a gamer and sits at home with all sorts of screens all night that was me back then without the computers without the gaming of the screens. So when I went to college, I actually applied as an architect because I had studied architecture and high school, and I liked it. But I wasn't a very good architect. But I was quite much better engineer. And when I got to freshman year. I was good enough. Programmer that I skipped the freshman year programming. And that's the hallmark of a flexible college program as they organized around my ability. So I was what we now. Call early developed nerd, although the term was even used back then. What did you like about architecture? What drew you to architecture initially? I've always liked building things, and I've always liked structure, and I've always been pretty analytical and what's interesting about computer sciences, computer sciences about scale and scale of systems and organizing systems. It's all the same stuff. Right. So I found in architecture, and where again, I didn't have the artistic sense. But I had the scale since it's the same skill set. And we're gonna talk I suspect quite a bit about mentorship. Coaching mentors and coaches in this conversation, and I thought we could look at a few periods in your past to to talk about influences people you've learned from and we we can certainly jump all over the place. If anyone comes to mind that I don't prompt. But. Around nineteen eighty three and I'm skipping quite a bit. Of course, you joined SUN Microsystems, what for people don't know. What what did SUN Microsystems do and anyone who comes to mind as having taught you allot while you were at sun. So one of the things to think about when you look at your phone or your Mackintosh or your PC is that there were whole waves of predecessors of these things that were impossibly slower possibly more expensive. But had those things not occurred. We wouldn't have gotten to where you are today. So each generation builds this product, it's impossibly difficult son manage to build what was impossible at the time, which was a one megahertz processor, a one megabyte memory and a one megabit screen today. Your phone has a gigabit that is a thousand or more times more than that. And we sold products for fifty thousand dollars to engineering design systems because they were busy doing technical things. And that's how it started the workstation as it was known was actually based on something called an Alto. Oh that was invented at Xerox PARC which which had worked with before. And the workstation that that was invented Xerox. Alto park was also the predecessor of the Lisa which was the predecessor of the MAC. So again, the providence of these things are these very early research. Prototypes. There were few hundred Altos to built you can see in museums today. What I will tell you about them is that they are possibly slow compared to what you, but they seemed enormously powerful at the time and Ulan how did you end up at sun and. Did anyone in particular take you under their wing were impart lessons to you while you're there? So in my story, what happened was I was at Berkeley. And my best friend was a brilliant, computer. Scientists in Bill joy who was the chief programmer of much of the technology of the time he did much of the early internet programming. And when I was at Xerox, I worked with another brilliant, computer, scientists name Butler Lampson. So I had the best best smartest mentors in the technical sense. So I had a choice of staying in doing research, but I really wanted to go into a company, my friend Bill had founded SUN Microsystems, which was technical platform at the time, and I showed up and what happened was there were a couple of exert. I knew nothing about business. I figured it was like fine. And there were some technical founders. They had brought in a professional CEO's all very scrappy and within a month of my. Starting. There was a gentleman named Bernie l- crew who was bought in. He was impossibly old at thirty nine to be in my twenties. And he had he knew everything he knew every he'd been through everything. I was so impressed by he knew how to build products. He understood politics inside of a company he understood how to get things out the door. He had worked at Digital Equipment Corporation. So again, the management style of that generation imparted to the next generation Digital Equipment Corporation was subsequently purchased by series of other companies, including Hewlett Packard, son was eventually purchased by oracle where you can buy their products today. So again that the technology is such that thirty years earlier that knowledge base survives in the heads of the people who were there and in the legacy of the electoral property that they invented. And I guess the same will be true thirty years from now for what we're talking about an image and Bill joy, I'm gonna come back to Bill joy a little bit later. But I've only had a few people on this podcast, the people who are on this podcast tend to be well-spoken. But I've only had a few on who seemed to speak in nearly finished pros. And you see you seem to be on that shortlist. Have you always been as clear a communicator, as you are or is that something that you developed if so or honed, and if so how I don't know to be honest. I'm just this is who I am. I think what happens is that. I'm a very logical thinker, and I'm a good explainer so logical thinker plus good explainer is how it works. And I also try very hard to observe things around me and try to figure out how things work, and that's been sort of my secret to having little luck around me. But going back to mentor. So Bernie was an incredible force because he was also tough, and he was also clear, and he was also precise. And he would get upset if we weren't working hard enough on something, and he pushed us, and I learned something. I was very polite. Nice scientists coming out at academe eah. I learned that in business you need to be pushed you need. Somebody says we're gonna go do this. And we're to push it, very hard. And he really trained me in the executive arts. If you will I worked for him for a decade what we're left to talk about those executive arts because in my experiences in uniform, of course, but. Some technologists view say the sale side of the management side with some degree of disdain that's not true cross the board. But it's it's somewhat common sentiment. What were some of the executive arts or the or lessons that you learn at that time, it's important to say right now that today, we know much more how to run successful tech companies that we did in the nineteen eighties and nineties the formulas, the learning the standards of excellence are far for more honed over the last twenty years of executives working in each other companies and things like that. That's part of why things happen so fast and our industry. But at the time, we didn't really know how to professional release software in this new space. We didn't really have open source software established as a principle. We didn't really know how to sell it. We figured we would sell direct. But how do we do that what kind of salesman? Did we hire? So in that period. It was much more raw than it. Sounds in hindsight. We honestly didn't know do we hire a blue suit salesman who looks good and talks a lot. Do we hire somebody who's very technical because our customers for technical? How do we goal them? How do we listen to them? We those of us on the technical side found the sales people very entertaining. Because all they did was talk, and we would sit there and eventually I was so curious about this. I asked one of the sales people actually come and present the engineers what people do and what he did is he got up, and he said, look, my job is to talk people until they buy things. And we all said, well, what do you how do you actually do this? That's why I'm always on the phone, and I don't have dinner with you. I wanna have lunch with you because I don't have dinner with my family. So so we learned a lot about high end sales. Sales cycles that have since become the Norman these big ticket items. What's interesting is the industry has some two removed away from that now that the industry has gone from more B two B to B to see that as consumer businesses and dig change from that sun period is now our industry is a consumer focused in industry with many many successful such companies. And you you are a very good and clear explainer and feel free. To fact, check me on this. But I believe you've taught at Stanford GSP the graduate school business and did you teach with Peter Wendell, the entrepreneurship venture capital class. That's correct. I'm also teaching a class on artificial intelligence applied to science at Caltech. Another fantastic institution. I've spent some time with Peter because I went to Princeton undergrad and had a chance to hear him as a guest speaker. And then went to GSP to sit in on his class when he was teaching many many years ago back when I had more hair, and in that class are there any particular resources or books that you like to point people to for those who want to learn like, you said a lot lot of things have been coda fide in the last few decades. What's interesting is a lot of the things that I'm talking about are still not written down from the engineering science perspective. How do you manage a large ofter project? I'm not aware of the defining book. That describes that there's plenty of technical books about aspects of softer. But the culture of software is still evolving. An example is that a recent change is to essentially a pair programming where somebody writes code, another one checks it. There are languages a recent languages called the go language which. Is designed around that principle. Right. So we just presume that's how programming is done. These were all things that were not worked out at the time without plugging my own books. Too much. We teach how Google works in in Pierre Wendell in my class at Stanford, which is very very highly ranked class and having just done it. I still think that the basic lessons that we that we talk about and how Google works which are fundamentally it's the product it's the product it's the product it's recruiting it's recruiting it's recruiting and transparency of how you operate are sort of key lessons that we learned and they're caught in that book. And I think we can we can segue towards Google because we're going to spend quite a bit of time on it. And we may hit some of the intervening chapters along the way, you mentioned Bill joy earlier, and as you mentioned legendary for his prowess as a as a programmer who also then spent some time as venture capitalist, and it it it's when I look at it was an interviewer talk that given this is actually on the Stanford. Yes, be site. You mentioned an approach that he had one of his purchase. So he'd find an area of interest. Look up research papers about it. He figure out the two or three best authors, and then call them, and it a by the way, these are people who no one ever call. So they'd call them back. And then he would ask them. What's the most interesting thing in your field? And I bring this up because I am segues to another venture capitalist named John door. And but before we get into the role that John played Cording to my reading at least in your introduction to Google what what who has John door. What makes him special? You can answer that of course, in any order. John. Was this mythical figure that I'm at when I first joined son, he seemed everywhere, and he was one of these prodigies at sales. He had worked at a company called Compaq, and he'd been so successful as a salesperson that he joined Kleiner Perkins, which became the most successful venture firm in history and was so for a long time, and he was on the board of sun and Compaq in a number of other companies, and it was critical. It was interesting to me was I learned a lot from John because he had a pretty simple rule, which is that what to venture capitalist to they helped manage team they recruit management team, and they raise money. So his job is was once you had a dentist. A company you invest in. You were all in on that company and Kleiner Perkins. At the time was the highest return highest margin highest paid partners of any of them. And interestingly, Bernie who was my mentor and coach if you will win to Kleiner Perkins after he left sun and a number of other people, including Fano Khosla did as well. So it's a the world is much smaller than it seems if you're an outsider looking at our world somebody you think is vast world, but to me, it seems like about one hundred people, and they all know each other. They've all been on each other's boards. There were all working together toward a common goal. I since learned that this is how industries develop so when you go back to the starting of the automobile industry or the starting of any other industry, they it was a small community everyone benefited by working together. Even if they were competing as an aside when I first came to Google I developed a habit of. Calling Terry Semel who was the CEO of Yahoo was our primary competitor congratulate him for every deal. He got. And he developed a habit of calling me to congratulate me for my getting every deal, and the reason aside from being a good person, which he was was we knew that if he got a customer to buy their product we would shortly follow into that account. And he knew that if we got a customer using this. He knew that he would surely follow into the account. So there's a real commod ary around sharing the building of these new network platforms. These new sort of forces of good if you will. And they're they're relatively small group for much of their time. It also seems like, and this is just one theory that I've come across when people are trying to explain why Silicon Valley happened where it did that non competes in California being difficult to enforce. Seem to also played a role in in a lot of that formation. We don't have to take too much time for that. But I thought that was do you find that sort of a plausible contributing factor when you have say the psych National Semiconductor in these other out. Yeah. So so true to in one in thirty seconds. The history of the valley was that it started with the Fairchild Fairchild corporation and then late nineteen fifties. And then a group of eight left they were called the traitorous eight and they went to Intel and number of companies, and they were funded by this guy named Arthur rock, and he was the only venture capitalist. As I interviewed him for something else. I was doing he's now a elderly and retired, but incredibly impressive, and I said, well, what was venture like back then and he said, well, we were the only one. So we would just wait until we decided how long would you make people wait oh six weeks eight weeks? We were the only money. And he had been clever enough to figure out the limited partner structure which fuel this industry. So you have Arthur rock and Intel and then the beginnings of semiconductor industry and the beginnings of apple and Steve Jobs, and all of these sorts of things that we know about, but it was very much at the time of a valley that was full of technical people because of National Semiconductor Lockheed and things like that this intially engineers, and they had typically come out of Stanford. So Stanford contribution was significant once the business started going the fact that there was not a non compete meant that people all lived essentially with each other, right? They went to each other's parties. There were in a marriage is if you will everybody knew each other and from that strength. They lifted all of us when I was young, and I joined son, I didn't realize that there was a half generation above me that it built this edifice of venture funding corporation. Tech startups and so forth which funded during that period. Microsoft, apple Google oracle and a few others. Yeah. It's it's the. Do you think Silicon Valley is non-recurring phenomenon? Do you think that there are or will be areas that resemble Silicon Valley in terms of positive characteristics front apprenticeship, so this, of course, is a raging debate in the world. And the thing Silicon Valley has going for it are at least storage abundance of land great opportunity, plenty of money to tremendous technical universities in Berkeley and Stanford. This history entrepreneurial nature things a sense of of of going higher than others. This is the moon shots versus roof shots. There is a set of there are set of people who also believed that the nature of California is part of it. There was a book written that some of this happened. This is before my time because of the antiwar activities in the sixties and LSD and so forth and at the kind of Cray. Easy thinkers of the time again before me ended up here and that also helped program the area, so the with think broad or higher. I don't know if that's true or not. But I will tell you that in order to replicate Silicon Valley, you're going to need to have leading universities, lots of money and time we have evidence that Cambridge has Cambridge Massachusetts has done this if you'll get biotech they've clearly built a model, very similar. We have evidence that New York is on its way. It looks like there's enough money enough people enough universities there, obviously, a great draw of city, and we have evidence that Beijing has the same feeling when you go to Beijing, you get that same feeling of crazy startups. So those are a few Tel Aviv is another one we need more competitors than the ones. I just named we need twenty competitors thirty competitors forty competitors yachts. It's. Fascinating to visit like, you mentioned Tel-Aviv Singapore, and many other cities that are trying to replicate some certainly more successfully than others. But if we come back to Silicon Valley, and we come back to John door when I'm when like you said he for longtime this mythical being he is the the the best known of the best known, venture capitalists. And when I moved to Silicon Valley in two thousand surly that was the case what role did he have in? Introducing you to I had known John for very very long time because he was on the board of sun when I was there for fourteen years, and I happened to be at a fundraiser, a political fundraiser, John Chambers house who was the CEO of Cisco and John came up to me that is John or came up to me says you should check out Google, and I said it's a search engine, and he goes, yes. And they're looking for a CEO and said it won't amount to much. He said, look, you really will enjoy you'll enjoy being the founders I briefly met Larry who seemed very smart, but relatively quiet, and so he encouraged me to come and we had a, and that's kicked it off. So I owe the fact that I'm at Google to John Doerr. And you go to meet Larry and Sergei, and it I don't have too many of the specifics. But as I understand, it they had a bio of you or something like that up on a wall bunch of food, and then proceeded to have what type of conversation what what picture? So what's interesting is that somehow we arrange the time I show up, and it's an old building that I used to manage. I was at sun. So that's weird walking into a building. Which is now got this Google stuff in it, and it sort of haphazard a typical sort of tilt up Silicon Valley. So I go up and they have a single office, which they share they have a projector, and they're projecting my bio on the equivalent of Wikipedia up again, this is unusual. They had lots of food in front of them. And I thought okay and interesting and they start to question me. And they're very interested in what I'm doing at Novell. I was a CEO at the time and they had decided that. What I was doing at Novell made no sense at all. And they wanted to make sure of I knew this. So this went on for an hour and a half. And it was rough. I mean, they were very sharp. And I remember as I walked out of the building thinking, boy, I haven't had that good of an argument in years. And that was what intrigued me the story, by the way is the thing we were talking about were called technically called proxy caches. They excel at the internet, and they believed at the time that you didn't need them. And I believe that you did after we purchased YouTube the way we handle the extrordinary growth in cross of YouTube is we built proxy caches. So what I like to say is they were right? And then I was right. So we both were right is a proxy cache. And this is I'm going to show how ignorant I'm technology, but similar to content delivery network in any way. I would. Yes, it a CDN is made out of proxy caches. So a typical typical thing the simplest example is a new movie comes out and everybody wants to watch it online. It makes no sense to send it all from the same place. It much makes much more sense to keep local copies near you. So if you're in us, beca STAN, it doesn't have to go all the way to Atlanta, Georgia. There's a copy locally and the internet is good about making those transient copies transparent to you and keep them up to date. And that's what that is about and YouTube is now the by far the largest such consumer of that such things and made an enormous difference in terms of its ban with I guess, Netflix would use the same thing. What types of questions did they ask you or what made their questioning? Thing different from others. I it was a stimulating debate. Well, maybe made it so because they're brilliant. And because they are so technically current they can ask the really hard questions. And this is something that very few founders can do Bill Gates do it as an example. But most founders couldn't, but they could and that that told me that the team that they had assembled could really address the hard questions their position was that the technical argument was that there's not an imbalance in bandwidth. And that was true at the time. Although it was not true. Once video took off. And how did they assess you as a potential leader, not just a a not just your technical capabilities? I'm not sure they had interviewed for about eighteen months before me, and they like to spend a lot of time with their people their candidates. So they would go on vacation for the day or go skiing with a candidate or so forth to judge cultural fit it became fairly quickly clear that I would be a good fit because we had a although we were different in age. We had the same faculty members eighteen years apart, and we had a very similar technical background. They were infinitely smarter than I was infinitely more current. But I had been like them twenty years earlier and what did? What did John C and you that he thought they needed my understanding again, you'll have to ask John? My understanding is that the to venture capless when they hit invested wanted to bring in somebody who had operating experience this came to be turned adult supervision and. Am I understanding is part of the initial investment that sequoia and Google made is that's what triggered they're recruiting win. When we finally came to a deal, which didn't take very long 'cause I obviously I didn't if you I what else I love these guys I work with them. I remember one of them saying to me, we don't need you now, but we will need you in the future. So understanding that Mike experience with growth companies was quite relevant. And so I said the way we worked which worked. Well, was they were the technical experts. And what I set out to do was to build a company. And I I want to definitely dig into that. Because he's talked about scale and systems or systematising as early as when we discussed architecture at the beginning of the conversation, and in a piece and fortune magazines from a while back to fifteen the quote that I have here feel free to correct it. Of course, is my role was to manage the chaos, you need to have someone to run fast and have a good product sense. That was Larry and Sergei. My job was to organize the world around them. What were some of the systems or policies or rules anything that you put in place to help manage the chaos? Well. When I arrived, the company was full of brilliant people, but it was sort of wandering around. They would have staff meetings that were very very interesting, but not very structured. They lacked at the time somebody to run all their product strategy general counsel things. So what I did is I put in place just a management structure pretty straightforward. So we had a a meeting on Mondays where we would run the company we had a meeting on Wednesdays where we would do product strategy. And we had a meeting on Fridays where we would look at customers, and this is organized. So that the sales lead could leave town Monday night in return Thursday night to wherever he needed to go. We we've changed that many times sense. But simple ways of getting an activity organized was my initial task the other thing is that we had to build a corporation. So we wanted to hire people who could grow and built Bill teams. We had three product managers who were solid Kaman gar. Susan jiechi. Amerson Meyer, Mercer, of course, audibly became the CEO. Oh of of yahu, Susan CEO of YouTube and solar invented the ad system. So these people have enormous consequence. But at the time they were just individual contributors. So someone had to develop them we hired this fellow John Rosenberg who is the co author on trillion dollar coach. And this may not be something worth exploring. But I it's come up in in my readings. So I thought it might be worth opening up on. Maybe there's something there could you describe or explain with these seventy twenty ten model is if that's the right term to use. That's correct. So this was Sergei idea. And the question was how do we organize our resources in terms of core things new things in experimental things. So Sergei we had an off site and with whole management team. And I are still remember. And so we got up on the board and he did some math. He's brilliant petition. And at the end of the math. He said the right answer is seventy twenty ten seventy percent on your core. Business twenty percent on adjacent or nearby things and ten percent on wild bets. And he said that all of these numbers are right? You need the seventy percent because you need the revenue the revenue growth, you need the twenty percent because you need to extend your franchise, and you need the ten percent, which is crucially important for the things that you will wanna do five or ten years from now. And so we would measure seventy twenty ten and try to make sure that the that the urgent was not overwhelming the important to there's a good example of how it worked. It was service idea. It was is math. I took it over in the sense of. I think it made perfect sense, and we measured it, and we ran the company that way, and the reason I highlight this is I believe that you can systematically. Manage innovation. You'll never be able to pick which of the fifty ideas are going to be the next billion dollar corporation. It's too hard, but you can manage it. So that when you get these shots on goal you identify them. You get a chance to fund them. You look at them. You can systematize innovation even if you can't completely predict when Google starts to take off. You have a lot of brilliant people. You are starting to add structure, how did you at that time, of course, later, and certainly now you have many different systems in place. But in the very early days, how did you manage? The what I would imagine to be a very large volume of inbound, and I would probably landing in your inbox at that time. I think that that's what happens with hyper growth company growing doubling every year is pretty easy. It's when you're quadrupling every year now, that's insane. And you might you begin to make mistakes in particular when people are trying to contact you if you failed actually deal with them, you can create an enemy, or at least annoys them. So it sort of bad management. So things would slip through the cracks one of the things to know is that when you're in a high grow situation, you've got to focus on the right things is very very easy to get distracted in high-growth scenario. The most right thing is to make your product better. In other words, product product product product because if you have a very strong product it's relatively easy to sell. It's relatively easy with very strong product to make money from it is relatively easy to recruit people to work on it. If you have a week problem. Product is very different. So it Google famously was a product company not anything else. And that was again because of the strength of the founders with me, helping them. And does that does that then help you for instance, if you're getting making up a number a hundred it's probably more like a thousand who knows Email a day to filter for product related communication or or prioritizing for internal team. I then any external I know this is a very. But I tell you that as the CEO that my most important thing to do is to make the velocity of interactions faster. So the moment I get an Email ideal with immediately, which is typically to send the somebody else to deal with. So everything that lags threw me is slowing. It's like molasses slowing the company down. So I am about spin rate. A using example if you wanna win the win the bike race in the marathon bike race the best way to do. It is to establish spin rate and hold that spin rate constant just chug chug chug chug chug chug at the same rate that you've actually get there. And you do really well. So my theory of management was just to run at the same high speed seven days a week. And that meant that every Email, get forwarded every issue was addressed and so forth, and that sort of heads down. Focus. I think is a key in very high growth environments, you mentioned earlier having and we're going to segue to some new to in just a moment trillion dollar coach the one version of weekly meetings. You had Monday running the company Wednesday product, I think it was Friday customers for yourself. Did you also have a? It might have been the same schedule. But I'm thinking of conversation with Jack Dorsey where he described something similar, right? Having instead of having five different pieces of the business being discussed every day breaking it out. So their daily clear priorities. Whether it's the sort of administrative organizational stuff product or otherwise for you to. Help the company maintain that spin rate. Did you have what did your weekly schedule like and that might be a bad question? But I just want to see if there's there. Well, we initially did the the Monday Wednesday Friday, but remember at that time we didn't have to travel sales guy had to travel, but the rest of us didn't as the company grew. There was much more much more physical traveling. So we alternately resolved to a Monday Tuesday structure, most corporations have a Monday or Tuesday meeting, and then that allows for the rest of the week to people to travel and WalMart, by the way is the inverse. They have the week. The managers are expected to be out in the field. They fly back on Friday night. And then they meet on Saturday morning after doing corporate exercises by says, I mean, physical exercise, so these gathering traditions are very very important. If I had my own way, the way I would run the companies I would meet every day at four because. Was to see if you operate really things happen every day, and they can be quick what I've noticed in the political campaigns that I've observed is that they typically have a nine AM daily meeting, which is kind of update and before nine AM, everyone kind of figures out what the crisis will be for the day off, they go if you look at the White House, the first thing that happens in most presidencies is that there's the presidential daily brief which is the issues going on in the world, which is typically a half an hour at eight AM so for operational jobs. It looks to me like if you're not meeting with your staff often often in a week, you're not you're not running at tight enough. Now, this is not mean that I was telling them what to do. These were check ins. These were issue issue issue because we were talking to each other all the time we had context, and then because that ends up causing you to think short term, you then have to have a separate process to have an offsite meeting some kind of strategic. Discussion some kind of idealization around what people would like as opposed to what they're currently doing. You have to do both. And you would choose for the daily meanings. Four PM instead of first thing in the morning is that right? Yeah. But that's just that's just personal preference. But I think it's one of those things where if I were to start a with a new firm today. The first thing say is what is our ideal is beating frequency, and I think if you ask people what would work for them. You would end up with a couple of meetings a week that would be organized around the life schedules and other personal commitments people have it would work it gets harder the fundamental problem, you have global companies time zones, and how do you accommodate people who are on video conference in Europe things like that? And could you please tell me who Bill Campbell is because I want to make sure we segue there. Okay. So Jonathan alanon. I have written a book called trillion dollar coach Bill Campbell is in at least in our opinion. The most successful coach in world history. He was the primary coach for Google and its rise. It was also the primary coach for apple in its rise along with a host of other companies, and the some of the companies that he has coached have now exceeded more than two trillion dollars value. So gives you a sense of value. He was he he helped create his background was that he was a a football coach at Columbia, and we've pointed out many times to build that he wasn't particularly successful. Although he tried very hard. Maybe because he was Columbia. We don't really know. But he was an extraordinary coach of humans and so in my first year at Google, John? Door who had placed me here at Google said you need a coach. And I said, I don't need a coach. I'm really good. And he said after some back and forth. He said, we'll do tennis players have coaches, and I said, yes. And then he got me. I have to say, okay. So we met and then the rest is history. Now, he has just an incredible. And I do mean Lynn credible in the literal sense. I mean incredible resume right as you said he had this coaching career. And then he seemingly segue into into technology, and you go down the list, and you have basis Mercer Mayer, Steve Jobs. Charleston, Burke, yourself what what made him different, right? Like, why why it's important? Explain why coaching matters. You hear all the day? The I need a mentor. What by the way, you need a mentor, and I need mentors. Great. That's not what Bill was Bill was a coach and more importantly, he was the best coach of teams ever. And why do you need a team because a company is not an individual? It's a team of individuals who need coaching to achieve their objective. So hit all those skills that he built over those many years alternately culminated this enormous success that he had unfortunately, he died about three years ago. But I think his legacy will live on forever in the valley. The the thing that he did is he understood how to coach teams of people who were themselves competitive with each other. And I mentioned this because you know, you would assume that if you go to a company as you get higher and higher you're dealing with very sophisticated. Very educated very experienced seasoned professionals Bill know what to do. Well. In fact, now. Do they not know what to do, but they're all caught up in their own politics and their own egos and disagree with each other. And they and they wanna make their Mark, and they want credit and so forth and coach sorts that out in the same sense that a coach of a football team or a basketball team does it's the same principle, but applied to business, and we were just talking about figure. We can we can dive into many different aspects of his coaching on we we were talking about meetings. Not too long ago. Bill seems to have had very. Very clear opinions on how to start and run a meeting do recall how he how he did that or how he recommended people. Do it. I do and what's funny about it is that he was such an integral coach, I can't tell you. What ideas were mine, and what ideas were his all? I can say is that we that is he and I implemented these principles together. Which obviously a statement of how good a coach he really was. So for example, meetings tend to be unstructured. So his advice was make a list of things you wanna talk about. And then start the meeting not with that list, unless you're in crisis but start with trip reports at because people were travelling people would spend five or ten minutes. We would often use Google maps and show I went from here to here to here. But then that allow people to conversationally explain what they were worried about or what they had observed this worked incredibly, well because it humanized the organization another thing that Bill did is he made you feel that he loved you by listening to you as a person, and the thing I learned from Bill, and I'm used to running fast than I'm used to Bob LA is this good or bad. That's fine. Goodbye. Right. That doesn't work. It doesn't work for junior employees. And it doesn't work for senior employee's their humor. Into if you're going to manage people or lead them lead the whole person. How are you? How is your family? How was your operation? What are you worried about? What are you about life? What do you think about the political situation? What do you think about the grand prix and the race cars, whatever it takes to get people to be humanized turns out to be key. And the difference between a coach and a manager. This is important is a manageable say, Tim, please do this a coach will say, Tim. What do you wanna do, and he'll carefully guide you to what you want to be to what the collective good. Is that function is critical. Imagine if we had that in our political system. Which we don't today. Imagine if we had it in most companies all of these issues, everyone would be kind of marching in the same direction to talk about that what you want to do. I love to look at a specific example, which might be related. You can correct me if it's not in two thousand one. Bill as Sheryl Sandberg. Who was then Google what do you do here? And he refused all the traditional answers until she understood the real answer. He was looking for was not her responsibilities. But what she contributed value every day. Did he ask you that question or why was it important for him to ask that question? Either. One of one of bills rules was to get past the slogans and with experienced executives people who've been executives for a while, you know, sort of ten years of executives, let's say they're in their mid to late thirties or forties. They've done it for a while. They're pretty executed at it. They get pretty good at giving. You the marketing answers, I'm trying to fulfill my life that I wanna make the world a better place, and those marketing phrases he thought where waste of time because you don't use them to motivate people. But because they don't give you precision to what you should be doing. So every day, you would get up and your job was to do something precisely that you wanted to do that would make the world a better place and serve the shareholders or your boss, or what have whatever it is. It you need to articulate that as a. Principal because if you articulated to Bill, you could articulate it to anybody. He was very good at that. What do you wanna do? And what are you doing? He also you mentioned. Political factors and differences of opinion. How did he handle making decisions or facilitating decisions when people were not meeting? I let's say in a board meeting. He was on a lot of boards see of two people who fundamentally disagree or there's there's a sort of a logger head. What what would Bill do how would he handle? So the rule we had about meetings was that there was a decision maker in the room. But the decision maker in the room did not make the decision in the room until after other people have been heard. And so there was a protocol for that. So let's say that I'm the decision maker, and you and Maria are having a big argument. So Bill would say look is why don't we come back with a joint proposal, and then he would talk to the individuals and see if he could coach them to comment agreement even if he couldn't get them to a common agreement. The fact that they had participated in the discussion had been heard and saw the decision being made allow them to overcome their embarrassment or envy or unhappiness that they had lost to go back and fight for a win. And when you go win publican into four Bill recommended that you step aside is chairman and remain CO. But then he made sure you would get reinstated. As chairman later, what was his thinking behind that? Or and how did he pitch that to the there was a complicated discussion about independence involving dual class sort of technical matter, and they had come to this idea? And I thought well, I haven't I've I've done a good job. Right. I felt I had taken. I took it personally. I took it wrong. It was my pride that that got to me. And so he immediately recognized that this was a pride problem. Right. So he said, look, I get it. I understand it. I think this is best for the company at I in the next year. I'll work to make this reverse in the right way at his credibility with me by then this is we started working three years earlier was so high that I naturally said, okay. Now, imagine if I'd done something stupid and allowed my pride to get ahead of me. Right. So that's the key thing. He did is he understood when people were hurt their egos were hurt or they felt that they had been dissed or not not understood, and he could not he could not not mollify them. But but understand them and get them to say there's a bigger goal here. He said, Eric there's a bigger goal here than you. And that worked right? And eighteen years later, it still works when he first how did he I come into the picture when did you use it three years earlier? So what was do you? Remember your first meeting with Bill? I had met him when I was at sun. And he at the time worked at Intuit. He the management son was trying to hire him into sign. But he said, no. And I remember people saying to him. He's the hardest working executive we've ever met and they described him as flying to Japan for a one hour meeting and then flying right back, which I thought was insane. That was his that was his work ethic. And I knew nothing else about his capabilities. So when John or called me and said, you need a coach I said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a pretty smart guy. And then he convinced me that I had to have a coach. But once I sat down with Bill, I knew I needed a coach and the way I knew was that he had been working with another executive who worked for me at the time inside of Google in this other executive had a health problem of very bad cancer problem, and he did not he build did not tell me. And I thought if Bill wouldn't tell me that than Bill must be able to keep confidences. He must be a person who is going. To be on my team keep secrets of the company protect us and so forth. So it's interesting when you meet somebody, you kind of judge them of are they sincere are they serious. Are they professional and Bill was that? And I should say that the first project we gave Bill was to get our product management functions. Going mentioned the three product Nash and people getting those structure working with him to hire people and it worked flawlessly. How how long did it take to implement that that I has? I'm just curious how he went about once he had marching orders on something like that or had jointly decided with someone like yourself on the Martinez wasn't really market marching order. It was sort of. We would have a chat, and he was a what do you think about this? And I said, that's great. Why don't you see if you can make something happen there? And an example would be that one day we decided to get rid of all of the executives inside of generic because we weren't happy with their performance. This was called the disorganized and one executive ended up with a hundred direct reports. I told Bill go work on that problem. Try to figure how how are we gonna manage one hundred people indeed that worked flawlessly right that it actually worked and productivity increase was right decision from our founders once again, exactly correct. But that's an example, where we were responding to what the founders wanted and we did so dramatically and quickly. How does one person manage one hundred or is that is the answer? They don't and there's some alternate system at play. What I cannot ask people will harass me. If I don't ask you remember that then I use the word manage, but what I really meant was lead. Right. So the key thing to do was to get this one one person whose name is Bill Koran by. The way who is incredibly talented at managing large groups get him to be able to do. This is the only time I know in history of persons successfully managing such a large flat organization, and of course, all of those people are now heads of major operations within Google. So again their development with with Bill Koren's leadership really made a difference. But there were many many other examples Bill, and I worked into a structure where I would meet with him once a week and he had this habit. He first place Bill was a hugger. And when I say hugger, I mean, he would hug people on the street. So when he would walk into an office. He would light up smile. Everyone was file everyone will get a hug, and we would sit down. So in my case, I would go to his office. I would have to hug his secretary. He would have to hug me he'd have to hug secretary. And then I was sit down and he would have written behind the whiteboard. Five words, and those were the things that would prompt the conversation, and I would ask him. To just talk, and he would over minute many minutes talk about what he had heard what he saw. And then I would say what we do this. We do that it worked incredibly effectively he worked on a similar basis. Steve jobs. He worked with Steve every day until his death, including on his health. And he would with Steve he would go for walks when Steve could walk. He visited him in the hospital. He would talk on the phone. He is house was very near Steve Jobs as house, so he would literally walk over and serve helping manage apple in the same way. I am going to ask. I've question that that involves Steve. But before I do that. What what might there be on the board? Among those five words, what types of types. It would be the first name of an executive was inevitably trouble over something. They would be some theme like revenue there will be some product that. It was in trouble that we were. Having issues with there was some deal or a customer that he had heard about he wanted to make sure I knew about that kind of thing is literally one word, and how did he structure his thinking when he would. I mean, your as as you've mentioned as clear in this conversation, very structured highly analytical. How would he structure that that talking? Because he was fundamentally a coach humanist. He would talk about how the people felt and he would predict what they were going to do. So here's an example. We would have an executive that we weren't. We weren't. Sure if they were doing a good job or not should we replace them? Should we put him in a different job that kind of thing that was where he was heavily involved? He was so good that I would have him do most of the compensation issues if we had board meeting come up. He would call the board members before the board meeting to see if there are any concerns to ruffle any feathers anticipate, if there were some message that I wanted sent a head of time I say Bill, why don't you let them know that I'm worried about something. And maybe they'll have some ideas people could prepare. So he's the perfect partner to intimidate problems in the same sense that he was a coach of the team if you will below me you're with me he was also coach of the board. He played the same role on the apple board. I know because I was on the. Apple board for four years with him as the coach and board member. So glad you brought that up because I'm looking at a piece from Recode dot net. Kessler put this up and care for those people who don't know she's been on the podcast, but his. Quite feared. Among some in in Intech circles because she has incredible sources, and she's very direct and very honest with her messaging SO can cut people, but she put out a piece after bills passing that is one of the warmest things. Probably the warmest thing I've ever seen her put out and in the piece she she sites. A passage from a fortune magazine for two thousand fourteen which is when he stepped down from the app aboard. And this is this is part of it. And then I follow up question. So the highest profile danger zone was his dual role in the apple board and advising Schmidt and Google quote. Steve would say if you're helping them you're hurting me would yell at me recalls Campbell whose normal banter typically needs to be sanitized for publications. I'd say I can't do HTML come on. I'm just coaching them on how to run their company better. And quote, he continued in both roles for years. How does someone pull that off? And that is remarkable. The quote is correct. And Karen is correct in that matter Bill was not involved in the product the product decisions as much as he was in the coaching. And he was careful not to cross the boundaries. And he was also not on the Google board. He was only on the apple board. So again in hindsight sort of hard to believe, but somehow we all trusted him on both sides, eight inch think tired of the of the tension. But from my perspective, he was so honest, and so direct that there was no question. He could continue. He you asked about how did he work with people? And I think that that he did a couple of things that were profound. His rule was there would be no gap between statements and fact that you had to be relentlessly honest and candid and direct. If there was any kind of alighting of the truth. He would know it, and he would nail you. And he was shall we say, very salty and his language that kept everybody kind of on honest. And because of that you both trusted him you knew that there wasn't a sense unsaid. And he was also. A very good listener. So he he did what we call free form listening. He would literally he listened with full and undivided attention. He wasn't doing his Email and checking his. Iphone and those things you had his complete attention as a human being. And if you're a rambling he would let you ramble. And I can remember repeating myself seven or eight times, I said have I just repeated myself, and he said, it's okay, he understood as a coach that I had to repeat it enough times to believe it. And how would he house he -able to smell B S or stress test statements? So that he could tell when people were. Bending the truth or omitting details. I think for one they had massive experience at doing this. And so you get really good at checking it, but remember he also had many many sources, so we would have executives that would try to do an end around around Bill, and they would try to sort of sort of, you know, go back on message. You know, this is what I did. And this is why did and Bill would say, I'm not sure let's go through that again. And if if the person wouldn't tell Bill the truth he would cut them off and he was pretty ruthless. He would come in and say we can't trust this person. We can't trust this person we need to get them out of here or move them out of that job or whatever. His he was very very very committed to the goals of the organization to think about coach in a foot issues football analogy. The goal is not to have the quarterback run. The have the longest ball throw. The goal is to win the game. Now, if as a byproduct the quarterback has this amazing Sheva, that's great, right? But but the moment the quarterback gets confused, right? We've got a problem. So you've got when you're in the position of coach. It's all about the team. It's all about winning in a business is relatively straightforward. You have a set of shared goals, which are you know, we all agree to what the goals of the firm. Our Bill was very very good at keeping everybody on that message. I'm reading a quote here that have in front of me that was something that Bill currently said to the see of check, Dan Rosenzweig. And here it goes the last part relates to much of what you just said. I don't take cash I don't take stock and I don't take shit. So I have two questions either way that's Bill. So the two I have two questions related to that. Maybe more the first is how was he compensated? He refused. Composition. So I mean, this was all pro Bono. Yeah. And we tell you why he splayed that he had done really well in his previous job, and this is give back to the industry. Right. He wanted to do this. And he didn't want to be confused by money. He wanted to work with people on the principles that he cared about. Wild. So he this was his giving back decades coaching and he had made enough money from his perspective. We did create a foundation for football players which people donated to in his honour, which he's very he was very happy about. But he's a good example of one of these people who's he was very motivated about the happiness and success of people. He was happiest when we were winning and working as a team that was his that was his income that was his success and his personal life. He coached many coach soccer. He coached he worked on awful lot of young football players. He was in his civic duty as principal as he was in his job coaching companies like apple and Google. And another talking about it. It also strikes me that I don't take cash don't take stock, and I don't take shit or are somewhat interrelated in the sense that if you're not incentivized to maximize of economic return by biting your lip that. Could encourage you to be much more forthcoming about not taking shit. It's other any other examples of of binary lines that he had or things that he would not accept. Well, he he had a sort of rule that you would work the people. And then the problem is if you think about it as a coach of again using football coach analogy if you've got the wrong player in the wrong position, you need to work on that. So over and over again is this the best person that we can get to work on his problem. Is there an alternative choice? What do we need to do this perform this person performing better in their job? And then he would work on the problem. What happens in businesses? Everybody wants to talk about the problem. He wanted to talk about the people and getting the right people in the right place. How did he fire people or encourage people to fire people? What was the approach? He was a we would come to decision pretty quickly that it wasn't going to work out. And then it's sort of because he had high credibility even had high credibility with people who were in the process of losing their jobs. And so he would go and say, look, this is not working out. And I will help you in your next role and that made an enormous difference. Which of course, he did. Can you think of any particular? And if it's possible to give. Any any historical examples that be really really helpful any particular hard challenges that Bill helped you through where there any moments that look back at that were particularly stressful or agonizing difficult thorny that he helped you. Well, we mentioned this going public role for me. He was very helpful with the company going public, which is a big moment in corporations history helping us with a venture capitalist thinking through what the functions were. Because of course, he'd done it many many times. But I think his there was no great event. It was one of those things where he would became in the fabric. He was so important to us that he became we started having him come to my staff meeting initially been out side coach he actually attended our staff. Many where he typically didn't save much would make notes, and then of course, later would go and work on issues that seem to come up. He was very helpful. When they're there began to be tensions between apple and Google. And because he knew both sides. He would sit there there. There were serious disputes between Steve and some of the Google executives over some of the issues in Android versus iphone, for example, and those disputes had to do with who could do what and electoral property, and those kinds of things he got people to talk to each other that wouldn't have otherwise to speak. So there's a case we're having cr-. Credibility with both groups was extremely helpful. You said getting people to talk with one another who might not otherwise chat with one. Another one of the bullet point facts about Bill that I have in front of me is he taught Marissa Mayer then CEO of Yahoo. How to sit quietly during a meeting in let less senior people arrive at a decision. Are there? Other other any particular approaches or coaching recommendations that he would that he's made to you or that you've seen him make two other people more than once that fall into that same category of I'll give you an example of that. I would get worked up over some issue, and I would violate my own rules. So my own rules are to listen, you know, reason and then make make a decision collectively. And if we can't make it collectively, then I'll force addition. But every once in a while I be sufficiently worked up upset that I would just blurt out the answer. And he would inevitably say come on, you know, better than that. And so that's an example where coach you know, because he's seen me operating. He says a cross the line there. What percentage of his workplace or workday slash week rituals? If any come to mind he would get up at five thirty in the morning. He would be on the Jim from six 'til seven. And then so he was an early riser. He had he coached soccer at three or four in the afternoon. So he would have to go family commitments. So he was typically be in the office from say eight till two ish, and they would go coach soccer. Of course, we all worked much later than that. So we would call him. But he for example, believe in doing one thing. Well, so when he was coaching he wouldn't answer the phone. Can you imagine that today from Steve Jobs, whatever, and he wouldn't respond to tax because he thought that that was an interruption and what he was doing. So he was one of these principled people of this is what I'm working on. This is what I'm working on. This deserves my full attention. I'm worried that we're losing that style, which I value agree deal. What does the what are the first sixty to ninety minutes of your daily click at curiosity, and you've what was your routine morning routine? Look like during the week. I think like. What I will tell you with. Well, let me tell you how Bill and I worked it out. His his structure of life was Monday through Friday. You just running around with your head cut off as fast, you can making things move and his rule was that on Saturday mornings when you wake up when it's typically, quiet. That's the time to sit down and actually think about what happened in the week go through everything and get yourself organized. What's your week like what your month like and take however long you take to think just in your own head? Am I using my time most effectively, and so I've tried to do that every day in the sense that before anything else happens once a week and up and running. I try to say is this the best use of my day. What am I missing? What do we need to get done? What did I forget to do yesterday that kind of thing? And do you have a sort of boot up sequence that is your default mode? Most mornings you wake up at the same time each morning. I know this the seems pretty quick Tidiane. But I'm curious if you have any if you have a set morning routine at this point when I'm in one place for a while. Yes. I typically get up, and, you know, eat something. Although not recently, I guess I've tried I'm now trying intermittent fasting to see if that makes a difference. But but in any case, the first thing most people that I know do their online, right? So they're checking the news you're seeing what happened in in the tech industry. So dynamic stuff really does happen overnight. And you really you really do need to know what happened. One of the tricks is try to focus on your own news before you have global news because global news is so addictive is like oh my God. Oh, this happened. Oh, whatever you can waste all your time. So try to focus on getting your own world and order. What do I care about today? What I want? To work on my happy with what I'm doing today. If you were giving advice to someone looking for a coach it business coach. How would you tell them to vet candidates or what to look for? Coaching is a special skill. It's like writing there are people who are great writers people who are great coaches, and there's more than one, right? So the first question is how is this person who lights up a room is this a person who has that natural charisma that people wanna listen to is this this person who we can get to be part of our team. And then I think it's a question of hopefully, people will follow the recommendations in our book about how to actually do it. But the coaching is highly highly personal thing when you have a great coach you love your coach again, go back to athletics. People talk about their coaches in reverential terms because they get them to perform so well, slim a wanna ask shift gears just a little bit and ask you a few questions about effectively rapid fire. Questions that I like to ask a lot of people who are on the podcast, and we'll wrap up just a little bit. But before I get to those what are you hoping that intermittent fasting? We'll do what benefits are you are you on helping to drive. And how do you do? Well. So the answer is so there's there's medical arguments. They're not fact that we volved as one hundred gatherers where we had relatively low amounts of food for long periods of time. So fasting was part of being a hunter gatherer, and that our bodies are in fact, healthier and better when they eat they're not continuous grazing. And so there's there's a whole school of thought that says that the best thing to do is not eat for like, sixteen hours and eat a lunch or dinner or just a dinner things like that. And people report that their energy is equal or better that they lose weight that they feel better. The science is still not resolved on this. But it's worth checking out for people interested are certainly sounds like you've done your homework. Peter Attiyah has an MD and Dominic Agostino. Handful of folks out there have some really good literature. -ture? Exploring the benefits of fasting both intermittent as you're describing sixteen hours. And then looking more extended say three plus day fasts with data that they're tracking with Kitone monitors and Commodores and so on. Let's just jump into a few of these. Let me just add that one of the great scourges of our lives today, the amount of sugar that everybody's eating and sugar in the form of carbohydrates and so forth. So experimenting with these low, carb diets and thing might be good for your longevity, and certainly your short term health. Yep. Absolutely lots lots to say there, but they'll save my long winded soapbox for another time. Do you have any books that you have gifted the most to other people, and I'm certainly you have your own books. Right. The new digital age how Google works and now trillion dollar coach outside of those books. Are there any that? You've gifted a lot to other people. I think the one that has had the biggest impact on me and the ones that I've given the most people has been. Angels of our better nature and angels of our better nature is a seven hundred page book on death. And it's written by a brilliant. Harvard professor who talks at great length about death rates and the human condition, and he says a lot of time talking about what happened two hundred three hundred four hundred five hundred years ago, and when you finish the book, which takes a long time, you conclude that the world is in a much much better place than it is that has been in the past that a thousand years ago, the average man died in a war and the average woman died in pregnancy in their twenties and that a child born today has a very high likelihood in almost all parts of the world to live to a natural a natural old age. That's an extraordinary statement. And that's why the people who run around saying oh the world. Is falling apart. We've never had it this bad. That's just not true. And the data says, it's not true. And that's Steven pinker. For people who want to look that up. And it is a big book hundred thirty two pages. Do you recommend and gifts that book because it delivers hope in a world where the news favors catastrophes ING, or are there other reasons that you give it to people I- mile? This is my opinion. Now, I think what's happened is we're surrounded by information. The information that is emotional and negative occupies too much of our brains that it crowds out optimism. We've seen an increase in depression, anxiety, and so forth, which I think is to some degree connected to this of fire hose of negative information. And a person who didn't know. Say oh, it is the worst part worst time in the world. And I say to them if you think that imagine you're the father of an eighteen year old boy in nineteen forty three who's just been sent to the German front or worse. Imagine the your father of an eighteen year old boy in Germany in nineteen forty three. So then people lose perspective because of the immediacy effect and also because there's so much coming at us that I wanna talk about this directly related this could be an overstatement, but just depression, anxiety, darker, more difficult times to say and understanding that on the macro level. I I completely agree with you. If if you read this book, certainly if you look at the data, we are in his spectacular time for yourself just to humanize you a little bit for people who are listening because we've talked about many successes, many of the the companies who've been involved with do you have any favorite failures? And by that I mean failures or difficult really difficult times that set the stage for later successes possibly. Or taught you something that later ended up having tremendous value for me, the the key moment in my professional career was decision to go to Novell from sun. And then the decision to leave Novell, and when I was in Novell, which was a hard core turnaround difficult business, lots of problems. That's where a lot of the skills that I had not developed when I was at sun were developed. You don't really know how a good leader you are until you face a really hard challenge. But more importantly John door would never have recruited me to Google from sun because it wouldn't have been appropriate for a board member. So the fact that I had gone to Novell gave me the training ground. They when I got to Google, and they were things that I didn't like I would call it. I would say it. I would push it. Another thing that happened was I was my hobby is airplane flying. And I had been training in a small jet and. Jet training because it's life and death. They really push you to make this and take command and for me the jet training. They actually at one point they had a a co-pilot, and they told the co pilot to be incredibly unhelpful without telling me that in order to train many to beat to take command in a difficult situation in the simulator. So those all contributed to my development as a strong willed leader. Whatever path you get there. You've got to be willing to take charge. And you've got to be willing to make decisions would Bill would say is somebody's got to make the decision have appropriate process and make the decision and keep going. How did you first notice that your co pilot was being unhelpful, and how did you respond to that? Well, I'm used to having good co pilots, and when they start giving you information that doesn't make sense. And now you've got your flying and your crisis, and he's giving you Mel information. You get annoyed about. And so for me, it took a wild figure out that there was something wrong because I'm so trusting and one of the things that that that in this particular co-pilot scenario, they taught me was, you know, what's right? Us every piece of your body. Right. Your hands or is your thinking your experience to get yourself out of the situation. And if there's something going wrong over here than if it's not if it's not life critical deal with later, and that prioritization, really helped so in there were many examples in early Google where there were choices that we would have around how we set up our revenue systems or accounting or what we took to business or so forth. But I knew the answers because I'd been through this novel. And I understood that those decisions should be made in the most conservative way conservative in the sense of least aggressive from an accounting perspective, you were discussing Bill earlier, or I should say describing, and it seemed to me at least if I'm reading between the lines that he had an incredible intuitive sense. And as you mentioned sort of a humanist bent that would. Lead him to focus on how other people were feeling and the people before the problem. And so on you have superpowers it would seem in the the. Hyper analytical development of framework and systems. And so on have you found, for instance, your exposure to the arts. Which I know you have quite a lot of has aided you in a business sense as well. Or those separate domains for you. As the analytical, the primary driver in business. Is there a place for the more intuitive? As an aside. My Wikipedia paid says that I'm a world's art collector, and that's false. And I left it in because I use it as an example to say that not everything you read on the internet is true. You do have involvement with art though. The let me, but let me answ I want to answer your question. I didn't want to to not tell the truth. So. I think when you have a hyper analytical person, which I am many people have my industry, are you can be tone deaf and anything that you can do to increase your understanding if you're like me of how people are going to react to things how people will perceive emotionally what you're doing is helpful when we started Google. We would just throw things across the. Just throw things out. We didn't worry about what impact they had. Maybe they worked maybe they didn't. But we fairly quickly learned that we had to have a whole release process which again Bill, and I put in place, we would judge for example, how will this be perceived? Should we run this test? Right. What is the moral framework of? So businesses are more than just products at facts, they're about people and emotion and morality, and those we had very good values from the founders in that regard. But operationally it was important for me. And everyone to remember that these things have affect people's lots. You have to really think about how how would Bill or maybe how did he I don't know if he did think about the word success, or what that meant to him or to or what it should mean to other people do have any window into that? Well, he lived his life the way I'm talking about him now. So he was a principal. Person who have have high integrity. He expected it from others. And he thought that a successful life was one well live that were consistent with those principles. And that where you could have a purpose that you cared about that kind of his job as a coach was for to get everyone to that tick feel that they had achieved that while collectively getting the team to have that feeling. I will tell you that there's nothing more fun than having a fairy fast-moving team where everyone's rowing in the same direction. Right. That feeling of power and that feeling of excitement and feeling of energy. And somebody says, hey, I just have a new idea. Hey, I can we do this. Hey, can I do? I wanna make this phone call is that. Okay. Sure. Great bub-bubba, right? This nothing like that in my life. Before after. If this is a this is sometimes difficult. Rapid fire question. The answer does need to be rapid fire. But the the the question I try to keep short. Which is if it doesn't go anywhere. That's totally fine too. The the question is if you could put a anything on a billboard metaphorically speaking to reach billions of people noncommercial a word a question a quote, a recommendation image. Anything does anything come to mind that you'd want in a billions of people to notice and take stock of I guess for me it software and analytical thinking. I am a believer that the next fifty years human society will have incredibly complicated human systems. So if you think about the things we deal with every day, the judicial system, the political system, the prison system, the traffic system, what have you they were architect it in a world where we didn't have a lot of data, and we didn't have a lot of software, and we couldn't really measure everything. And I think a lot of those systems are going to get very very thoroughly designed, and if you're going to design those systems than design based on outcomes you care about in prison systems. Are you care more about punishment or recidivism as an example in e in economic systems? Do you hear more about revenue growth or job growth? I would recommend the ladder because jobs are identified for everybody. So I would prefer economic system which maximized job creation over total read. Renew. So the measurement systems in the analytics. So the sort of software end analytical systems that are billable now should allow us to have the world we want right? We care more about one group or another now our political system which will vary by country need to allow us to make those decisions. But there is hope for people who are subject to. Punishments that don't fit the crime and economic penalties that don't fit the work to get a dress through these through these programmes. Systematically, we know for example, that we can identify bias now in ways, we couldn't before to people who have bias used against them people who've been prejudiced against people who are the victims of these terrible things we have a way now of both measuring it, and I think eliminating it with could systems designed so I think for the next fifty years, the big narrative is going to be who's designing these systems how they work. What are the values that are in them? How do we measure them and much of the work that Google does? And I do now is related to using artificial intelligence and machine learning to try to build these systems to be more effective against the goals that our country wants, thank you. Excellent answer. I think this is a good place to start to wrap up, and this has been very fun for me. So thank you again for taking the time. And I highly highly highly recommend people checkout trillion dollar coach subtitled leadership playbook of silicon valley's Bill Campbell which air co-authored with Jonathan Rosenberg analogy eagle Bill has been on my mind for so long. I mean for decades at this point. And I I'm so so much regret that I never had the opportunity to meet him in person and have waited for a book like this to come out. I mean, it's it's just incredible. That if finally did, and I'm I'm thrilled that that that y'all put this together and people will have an opportunity to look over the shoulder of people like yourself, and like this who's who list of entrepreneurs as they were coached by this incredible human being not just coach not just business mind, but human being named Bill Campbell and people can find more have certainly feel free to add anything here, but they can find more about it at trillion dollar coach dot com they can wave. Hello to you at Eric Schmidt on Twitter Lincoln, they could find you quite easily and also on Facebook. Eric Schmidt seventy six and I'll include links to everything we've discussed in the show notes. Do you have any last words? Parting comments recommendations for anything you would like to say before we. Rep which emits been an incredible privilege to be on on this show. When I think of the way, you've communicated the ideas and the principles you you've established Bill would love you. Because of what you stand for. What's interesting about our book on Bill is that Jonathan Allen? And I started this book just as a thank you to someone who had been our coach and mentor and how huge impact, but what we discovered was that there was essentially, no literature on how to coach teams and business. There was no there were no facts there. No analogies. It was no way of touching about it. So what we discovered is. That the principles that he taught write us directly are the universal principles of managing teams right from football to business and everyone needs a coach. Yep. This is very very true. I didn't actually get a coach in this capacity 'til maybe two years ago, and certainly for people listening, even if you have a small organization, even if you are your organization as a single person to work with contractors, for instance, having a coach even to simply hold you accountable. And and force you to clarify your thinking is of is. So leveraged invaluable. I'm just thrilled that that you guys have put this book out. So thank you again. I really appreciate you taking the time not only to put together the book, but also to share some of your lessons learned in this conversation. Okay. Well, thank you very much, Tim. I appreciate it into everybody listening. You can find links to everything in the show notes as per usual at Tim up, log Ford slash podcast. And until next time. Thank you for this. Hey, guys. This is Tim against a few more things before you take off number one this five bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short Email from me, would you? Enjoy getting short Email for me every Friday that provides a little morsel of fun before the weekend and five Fridays. 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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 7, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

04:09 min | 3 months ago

O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 7, 2021

"Riley here and i'm warming up from the nra dot net studios in new york standby for the o'reilly update morning edition. So we have a new sponsor mammoth nation. America's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes. That includes the police and first responders active military vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases help support. All of those causes. It's better than a donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotels. Shopping wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more. It only costs nineteen bucks a year. Excellent deal you can save that much from just one purchase now. I'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. That's mammoth nation dot com slash bill joy. Now on this thursday. I am still very surprised by the vote in georgia. That elected too far left senators and gave joe biden an enormous amount of power. Now i don't wanna be super silliest word of the day supercilious that means arrogant. But i simply do not believe that many georgia voters really understand what they have done. If mr biden and the democratic party decide to go radical left which is a possibility snot. A certainty but a possibility. America will change in a very dramatic way. now one of the elected senators in georgia. Ralph warnock who's off the chart left. He's only going to serve two years because it was an election to fill a seat. Hell by senator in georgia who retired so two years from now worn out could be out and i believe that may well happen across the country if president biden moves dramatically to the left. Because americans. Don't wanna see dramatic shifts in the way the us as ron firmly. Believe that but in georgia there was all kinds of emotion. As i have said a lot of it had to do with the two thousand dollar cova check being spiked by the republican party. Now this investors are you seeking steady cashflow ready to diversify have you considered a proven real estate investment fund and our as one of the nation's leading realty specialists and offers ten percent annualized monthly pay-outs with bonuses targeted. Twenty one percent as you could receive steady ten percent return monthly payments with bonuses. You know they specialize in realty investing done right even. Use your 401k or ira to invest. And are i as fifteen year track record in one point two billion in new construction development. Back shoe so learn how you can invest in his heart asset real estate cash flow fund today and receive ten percent annualized monthly pay-outs with bonuses. This is something savvy. investors should research and consider. Please call now two zero one. Two one zero two seven two seven two zero one two one zero two seven two seven or visit and dot net an offer to buy or sell any security is only in a private placement memorandum. National is a real estate development firm css and r. I dot net. That is the morning o'reilly update more analysis later on.

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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 4, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

04:22 min | 3 months ago

O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 4, 2021

"Riley here and i'm warming up from the n. r. I a. dot net studios in new york standby for the o'reilly update morning edition on the jordan harbinger. Show you'll hear amazing stories from people that have lived them from spies to ceo's and even brilliant scientists who can help us understand our own minds. You're about to hear. A preview of the jordan harbinger show with. Ken perennial an amazingly talented art forger. Who of museums experts and art buyers. He gave me a book on art forgery. I began to unlock the secrets. I was a storehouse of knowledge of how to create an allusion presented to a experienced expert. Manipulate his mind and bring him to the inevitable conclusion that the painting is genuine. We flooded the market with my paintings. And i couldn't believe what i did. I couldn't believe then. The dominos started falling and eventually the f. b. i. Will add to my door. They uncovered a mountain of evidence against me. But they never actually got you. Why did it go away. Why did you never get indicted into well. How are we having this conversation. I guess degree to story of all. If you want to hear more about how can made millions forging. Art dodged the mafia and even the fbi checkout episode. Two eighty two of the jordan harbinger show available on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever. You're listening now. Happy new year. I wish you and your family good health particularly and prosperity in two thousand twenty one on this monday. I am thinking about media corruption as you know. I predicted this year that the corporate media will collapse entirely without donald trump over the weekend. The atlanta journal constitution which is no longer a newspaper. It's a far left. Journal ran a story entitled experts. Extremists not going away in twenty one. The article focuses in on the militia movement. What is that. Do you know any militia people and then it zeroes in on the proud boys. The wall street journal says there may be are several hundred proud boys across the country. But nobody really knows. Because it's not a real organization. The atlanta journal constitution does not mention antifa. Which is literally burning. Down portland oregon. Does i mentioned the black lives matter. Movement responsible for billions of dollars worth of destruction doesn't mention them under the banner of extremists. Not going away in twenty one. What kind of reporting is this. This is absurd if you don't want to tell the truth. Don't write anything now this so we have a new sponsor mammoth dacian america's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes. That includes the police and first responders active military vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases help support. All of those causes. It's better than a donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotels. Shopping wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more. It only costs nineteen bucks a year. Excellent deal you can save that much from just one purchase now. I'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. that's mammoth nation dot com slash. bill joy. now. That is the morning o'reilly update more analysis later on.

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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 8, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

04:23 min | 3 months ago

O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 8, 2021

"O'reilly here. And i'm warming up from the nra dot net studios in new york standby for the o'reilly update morning edition on the jordan harbinger. Show you'll hear amazing stories from people that have lived them from spies to ceo's and even brilliant scientists who can help us understand our own minds. You're about to hear a preview of the jordan harbinger show with. Ken perennial an amazingly talented art. Forger thousands of museums experts and art buyers book on art forgery. I began to unlock the secrets. I was storehouse of knowledge of how to create an allusion presented to experienced expert manipulate his mind and bring him to the inevitable conclusion that the painting is genuine. We flooded the market with my paintings. And i couldn't believe what i did. I couldn't believe than dominos started falling. And eventually the fbi will lead to my door. They covered a mountain of evidence against me but they never actually got you. Why did it go away. Why does you never get indicted into what. How are we having this conversation. I guess it's to story of all. If you want to hear more about how can made millions forging. Art dodged the mafia and even the fbi checkout episode. Two eighty two of the jordan harbinger show available on apple. Podcasts spotify or wherever. You're listening now friday. I am thinking about donald trump's legacy. There's no doubt it has been hurt this week and there isn't anything the president can do to unravel that the big mistake. The president trump made was not anticipating that violence could happen when more than one hundred thousand of his supporters gathered in washington. Dc the president was certainly within his rights to address the crowd and once again to state his grievances over the election. How ever he should have tamped down the emotional aspect of his presentation because he should have known based upon what happened after. George floyd that violence in this country is becoming increasingly more prevalent. Mr trump did not tamp it down so now that's what many people and many historians will remember the violence in his last two weeks and that will override the good. He did on the economy on foreign affairs and other things. People are emotional creatures. That's what happened yesterday in washington. And that's what will happen in assessing donald trump's legacy now this so we have a new sponsor mammoth dacian america's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right and fight for conservative causes not include the police and first responders active military vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases. Help support all of those causes. It's better than a donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotel. Shopping wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more. It only costs nineteen bucks a year. Excellent deal you can save that much from just one purchase now. I'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. that's mammoth nation dot com slash. bill joy. now that is the morning rally update more analysis later on.

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Episode 9: Thomasina Miers

Spinning Plates with Sophie Ellis-Bextor

1:17:51 hr | 8 months ago

Episode 9: Thomasina Miers

"Does your little one loves paw patrol about dinosaurs well, perfect because the new season a patrol is here and guess what it's a dino. Rescue. I can't wait for my kid to watch each episode ten times nights on the plus side all your holiday and birthday gift shopping is pretty much done because of course, there are a whole new batch of Dino rescue toys to you and for a limited time at target get fifteen percent off the new patrol dino rescue toys with Code Pau fifteen patrol dino rescue, check it out. It's going to be possum. Hello I'm GonNa Specter, and welcome to spending lights the podcast where I, speak too busy working women who also happen to be mothers about how they make it work. I'm sing released seven albums in between having my five sons aged sixty months to sixteen years. So I spent a few place myself being a mother can be the most amazing thing can also be hard to find time for yourself and your own ambitions. I. Wanted to be a bit Nosey and see our other people balanced everything. Welcome spinning plates. Hey, how are you I? Your host of spinning plates poured caused I am getting increasingly loopy with my introductions book cost you not find. Anyway, hyper things about the I. Am Sheltering from a thunderstorm actually we've had A bit of a heat wave, and now the rain is common. That's good. and talking of heat waves when I interviewed this week's guest Lovely Thomason Myers who is The winner of Master, chef two thousand and five. I believe it was but also the founder of Oaxaca among many other things that she gets up to her cookbooks her associated with chefs in schools helping children learn how to cook tasty. Affordable food When I spoke to Tommy, it was another very hot day. So you'll hear us, talking about having hot thought is actually We're not talking about cooking foyers. We're talking about literally our own thighs being warm It was really lovely to talk to me I went round to her house to chat to her and She was very very open and warm and very candid actually about period in her life she calls a wilderness years where she feels like she wasn't really sure what she should be doing what should should be up to. which I think when you hear how driven she is and how many ideas she has and how much momentum there isn't alive I. Think. Kind of surprise you. But Hey, we can all feel a little bit restless and sometimes you have that kind of energy. You're actually very prone to feeling really quite lost when you don't really know where to direct it Am I can definitely relate to that feeling of just thinking I do go this energy and I don't really know what it is. I'm supposed to be getting on with my life She's awesome. Employs some one where some of the women I spoke to They have the careers, they have children, and then off having a baby, they source of rethink rose with Tommy I feel like she scooped up her bubbas she has three little girls and I think they are aged getting this right I think it is four and seven and nine Tommy will party correct me with that when we start talking but some. You know she it feels like she says a scoop them up along for the ride with her with her. With her work I feel like what she does for a living and how she approaches her work would have been pretty much the same. If they were children's Johnson a back on north but it happens she has got them and a very happy home life. She has t she's managed to overcome an unhealthy relationship with food as she talks about when she was younger, she's not the other side of. So you know someone who's very strong and also very open about Any mental health wobbles which I. Know, happened to many of us. So I think it's important to keep these conversations out in the open because actually it turns out that everybody's had those kind of things happen to that one time in their life or know someone that has all this week and he birds tweeting in the background I can hear the sounds of birds tweeting on can also the sound minecraft because when my kids got a play date and they are happily building something a virtual land, what a strange modern world we live in anyway. I have to tell me and how wisdom you don't need any more of me nuts during along Not I'm GonNa make copy I know I was finish off this bill with a cup of tea but it's actually genuinely always feel like doing I don't know I must associate you with t Can you make good thing I love tea and I love you say enjoy senior side thanks so much. Let me. Thank you very much for talking today. I should probably explains people listening in black and where we are we are in your bedroom. Muchly but we're socially distance just to reassure everybody is a good. Even if I stretch my arm I won't be able to reach you. For but we can't speak and it's a really hot day out there and we've shut the windows. If we start to under bit-part, that'd be. Why Um slightly reminds me of a I did the violet clack attack Clark Aches. We Love, podcast in we had we had an audience for sixty people in our cake shop in east London and it was daylight this. And I just remember the sensation of might fights slipping against. Hot. We're. Talking. How many jobs done actually were have been in stiflingly hot situation. You just kind of get on with it. Don't you? A video. Once what must be one of the hottest day were record and we just all of us the whole band keep needs to be kept mopped down over again and makeup sliding off and you look back. You think I was actually really unpleasant maybe in the case of it was quite. Definitely in the video is not nice just to hawks but my mom not. That point. Okay we're doing. Okay. So. When when when we go? Hey, you said you've been cooking in the kitchen. Can I ask you what you've been cooking today? I have got some gifts sprees pitching because I couldn't resist them in the market but they've been. They've been in the fridge for quite some time now. So I thought I better cook them. I can't decide I've got a couple of friends coming into the garden tonight. To have a drink and I thought okay, make some fool or ice. Cream. Inside rich because I, Love I. Love a nice fool. So I'd probably go for the full disk because I think there's something comforting and yeah and then and then getting really chilly recently, I've been doing lots of seasonal British and then I suddenly had a change of mood this week and I've got lots of Aubergine I'm being fatal sheet tomorrow. For my new website. So I've been going through all my books some by this lovely photographers and other working Tara Fisher. You basically built her career ops single handedly raised her case private school, really impressive women and. Serbian, I always looking three last night when my old Capex by her. thinking. I could use some of that photography and and then I found this amazing Schwann aubergine recipe. So I'M GONNA develop for Sounds good lots of Chilean kind of a lovely gunky Chinese e SIC. St Swarm of the stuff that gets that plan where. We've been eating spicy food much as well Y-. Something tells me that that will be ready. Yeah because. We should probably get the kind of Virus check out the way really been finding. Everything during lockdown because Ziemba is working all the way through. Yeah. So I mean the really lovely aspects of it was that. So three days a week I'll do a hacker and that's tiring. Man, the restaurants around the country. Around London and a lot of work in site, which is, which is really fun and lovely but spending so much time home has really released a kind of inner creative and it's been really lovely cooking a lot all the time and I. I've done more social media, they have ever really done because. I, find the juggle of running the restaurants having my column. The children is just a lot and so I've always found social media kind of fools down a bit. I've had a bit more time to that and it's been. It's been really fun. Though the trouble of the social media you go and. Then think Michael is so much more or so much better but try not to do that I. Think on. My forties should be grown up enough to make that is not the case and anyway it's fun. It is fun. If you just fake what you're doing I find that is really good maximum life and I've always found it my recipe waiting I try not to. Recipes I try not to gaze at what other being just focus on what I, what in my head and I feel creative about and that's not the best way forward anyway. So lots hooking I've become I've wanted the cliche sour dough makers. Mother enough rage at the moment we making cider. Yeah. She's like so satisfying it really is and that's been my favorite. That's my favorite lockdown thing too late chow around my neighbors give them a loaf of Saturday. And say, hi on that all steps that was good and also a local school is giving the teachers Saturday. So I think at the beginning I made it really obsessively. Lows every day or every other day. I've just calmed down but now I think real life is starting to creep back in Yeah Biz. Interesting is what you're saying about that desire to cook at home. I mean obviously cooking is your day job, but it's actually also just how to nourish your family to spend time together how to feel like at the end of the day. No matter what else you haven't done. You've managed to achieve making a meal and a really tasting because I know house. We've been cooking lows as while rich has been doing late amazing recipes away to channel that energy. Yeah. Yeah, and it's fun is there are Nice on me. I must girlfriends enjoy kicking march and some of them really love it and I think if you love it. Basic you'll greedy and you love eating than the end of it. You get delicious feed, which is what you want, and then the price of severe find really calming and that's something really lovely about listening to the radio how many times in the background or chatting someone you know having a drink if you want to and just pottering around in the kitchen yeah creating essentially. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's great and the generosity of as well. I mean when you say you take you mention neighbors engaged to the school and seeing the teachers that as a lot of ways to say to show appreciation and affection people and when you cook something tweet or hospitality. I am reading a book called Tokyo, which is about how we feed ourselves in the future is quite heavyweight. So I've been going through fairly slowly, but it is a brilliant book by Karen Steel and a lot of it is how societies change thousands of years but essentially. Food is what we survive. Without food we die and I think fat complete. We we've lost that connection that not only is it survival but over thousands of years, it's been a way that we communicate in eastern make fire when we found for before that was it was harder but once we found fire. It became a senator place of a cave or wherever you were to sit around together I like chat and break bread together. Further for me is the most fundamental way to Joyce dancing. Obviously there's sex is great. But food you eat with your friends sharing food. That's. Great Pleasure Delic-. I find it. Yeah. That Elijah and if you're in a couple with young children and lockdown making is probably easier than achieving some of the other things that are on that list and he suddenly got kids everywhere and tossed salad sometimes. Kids at home or you're trying to get worse than is struggle yes and you've got three little girls have done and so the two birthdays even lost two weeks was that two of your daughters? Yeah. Yeah. So we had a nine, a nine year old and a four year old party when I say party I tried to make as much party atmosphere possible. Yeah. But we did we did fund slough we kind of made pizzas and we We did we yeah we did kind of throwing the X.. And then frantic handwashing after that with. Six people were allowed in the garden. That was that was quite good actually. Yeah we've got. We've got my husband's lockdown. Mission was clearing. He felt free skips Detroit us from the garden. Wow I've looked down single handy. A large amount. Yeah. So that kept him quite busy. So gardens actually was perfect. Yeah Rays. And stuff. I think the focus on Haymond doing the big shot at this morning actually before I can't I was organizing the big part of stuff got charity shopping putting it all in different places I. I'm really looking forward to be able to move on now because I did so much clarion sorting and polishing I ended up dusting things haven't been dusted for decades. Which? Is really good for a couple of days after about a month. It kinda looks the same as it did before anyway. Yeah. I feel like ten years Dustin. Two weeks doesn't massively different on the show, but maybe it's just me. On the comment on my own I stay in my house. So we should probably talk about life before lockdown. Really. because. Obviously. Food is cooking is something that's been day job. What's? Around the time of master chef time when it really is something. When I was reading up about it seemed like master chef was a sort of simultaneous why you've actually this is the thing I really want to do yeah. That was definitely a catalyst or they actually even going back before that spent months in Ireland. By. which is a lovely gentle cooking school. In southern Ireland and I. Essentially I'd always Kurt from if six I used to find playing home I just couldn't. I was really batum I used to get really jealous of my sister. He'd spent hours really happily playing with dolls and stuff, and I just got end up causing trouble getting being in trouble. So I used to sit by my mother and stir pots own and learn how I I was really fascinated by how she can make quite humbling regents taste really delicious. She had this clever neck. So I was always really into it, and then all three altered like you know trying to earn money at school I used to pocket money by kicking for that further friends and really. Young? Well, yeah, which is anyways get some cash like my pants have biliteral cash. So it was kind of and I really loved it. I mean how are we doing that when you? Like thirteen fourteen I really am I really downs beyond narrow will I I just really loved as well as it was also I think we had quite. My childhood felt. Quite, tense and difficult and not that happy looking back and I think cooking for people was that way of getting praised that was really kind of quite crucial part of having a bit of attention and having praise and being made to feel special because I think we didn't feel that special in other parts. So there's Daphne and I think probably when you talked to chefs and cooks that's quite a big aspect of that I think that that lovely warm feeling you get when he put some lovely feed in someone else's Tommy. And that kind of loved you get back from it is is kind of is quite lovely. If You People pleaser. Guess. so but but it's equally. Some pools and a day school in London back and my father. Totally failed to make money. Had always had come on. You've got this brilliant brain. Money than he can do whatever you want and so I had this kind of pressure breath for me and the school and I guess my Tease your brain, and so I spent almost. Like Daphne buckled after the school buckle under all sorts of pressure and failed talks would. Really screwed up my degree and generally things started kind of falling apart and so my twenties when I felt like I should have been. Becoming a rich banker. acing it in or wanting, I really wanted to see fashion or that were all these things I was trying to do. And cooking. In those days cooking wasn't cool like is now and so you either like kind of Birch chef in the kitchen I mean they didn't even know any chefs to be honest and restaurants there weren't as many we never them anyway. All those kind of. Boarding school girl during a kind of. Thing a bit a season and a skiing lodge and dinner in catering and just didn't really identify with either stereotype and I didn't really see. Never really I never really even thought was possible. So spent like, I've I call it my light decade in the wasteland whereas really struggling with quite bad mental health and and just feeling a total failure just just kind of the wilderness is of thinking I I'll try this next and they'll try that next and then not nothing really ever sticking and then I was in a fashion show on a catwalk show with them. At kind of charity and I was there with close sticks whites he was one of the T-. Fat Ladies. I used to love that program and she was so referenced but also really bright in a she'd been the youngest woman to the Bar at age twenty one. And and yet had kind of given up law for for kicking and so I remember you know backstage being made up and her just saying my God if you love food. What what are you doing? Why are you wasting your time? You should be cooking and no one had really said that to me before we even that was twenty six I think she found out during Ireland he ran valley and got me bumped off the waiting list. And Lychee two weeks before the beginning of a term school they found out and said, you've got place if you wanted. And I went off with my. Green White Stripey Reef I mean ours used the love me they. Loft everywhere drove just laughing violence basically. Not. TV But. And I had this really magical three months just creating cooking learning and afterwards I went out of the out into. West. Cork may cheese for three months and was making Saudi breads and selling at markets tools. With. Another chef could close McKenna and just living this dream and thinking my. God. Finally, what took me so long this is what I want to be doing. So that was really magical and it was a copy as after the is did master chef because I still dating identified? I, think I think I'd failed for so long that I. Could Sunny be a chef. I found was struggled to believe in and. And I guess also I just. Can reconcile the idea of working with night nosing my friends. It was kind of it was just it was quite contrary to everything I've been brought up. And then and then realized it Mazda Chef. It was just it's just amazing I I mean. To do this I lived in Mexico. So I went down to Mexico fear and I came back and I was really down on. Having no money for quite a long time really quite desperate twenty nine years old still not really knowing what it's doing and you're going to defeat. And and I just saw this Ad. And so I just saw it as the builders outside that's weighing. Yeah I just saw this verse went and I just something called just I just think fate is so strong in life something in me just made me feel that investment didn't tell anyone about is too embarrassing but I remember making Michigan down to your decision and there were so many things that could stop me but in every turn fate my Lloyd push me forward to kind of come into this and I remember just bursting in this auditions lost one of that series, which is the first series and just talking at them a million miles an hour just being full of ideas a madness and This dish prepared them that ended up all over the. Station platform and I realized that I would Bill Joy Vinci's Friday I was trying in from cooking job in Norfolk and it was it was crazy but it was it kind of it was great and. Ended up being to chef it was just so terrifying and I'd never been filmed done anything like now tally before but I just was so passionate about feed and I think that when you sean three. And it was amazing because when I just couldn't believe it because like be screwing up for ten years essentially everything. I did seem to just fall apart and then suddenly I remember John Greg going. You know their base is this is really good at this. So long even now getting his my eyes so so that was amazing but then I definitely felt like I was on catch up because obviously twenty nine. Case taking young. World where you can cook. Yeah exactly. But that I know that feeling it went to A. An academic girls school not far from where you actually. that. Pressure to. Make something of the academia being offered, and then also to know what it is, you're supposed to be doing. A So many people I know that went through real wobbles in their twenties early to mid twenties thinking of so come out the other side of that system I. still don't really not. My thing is and listening to you talk there's obviously all these trails that lead to the bit where you. As you say almost like Ebay showed, it really is cooking. Not showing you enough clues now but but during those moments, especially, if the idea of making into what you do for a living is so far away from what you would be encouraged to do what you've been shown or examples you had around you. So it's I. Think It's actually reassuring that you don't have to know for really long time actually when. Time you know what I mean is. Nearly thirty and still be finding your thing. Yeah. Other think the whys Oracle's I used to love to hang out with people because they always seems to have these cells wisdom by quite understood them. Things like just enjoy the journey. That's pop part of it and he still have to remind yourself. You're my age. You still have to remind yourself that life is about the journey is not necessarily about where you getting the because why you get into any is that an it was a mean was it's time for so yeah, definitely the journey and whenever I to young people and I do sometimes schools I, always say that. The hardest thing is to know what is and you're still out sometimes people start writing seventy years old and that's fantastic and I think that's the most reassuring thing. The flip side of it is that we're constantly evolving and actually think women are better evolving than men because you need have plan to evolve. You can just kinda follow your nose and your gut instinct. Think we're quite good at that. I think listening to your gut instinct without necessarily having all laid out. So I think life is about constant involvement. It is definitely and I think it's funny I found myself saying that to people's just enjoy the Lakers and as someone in my I don I wanna be a musician that has record oona that well, you mustn't see the record I'll is like the holy grail that always look back on this bit while you're allowed to create what you want do what you want make mistakes and you'll look back and think actually that was a real housing period. But even now in my forties I don't think I've totally practice what preach all the time because I feel it. Hurry with the next thing the next thing the next thing, and let me say with the social media and if you look at stuff anything, other people are doing so much more and there's other things and certainly with lockdown when it started I, felt such pressure to be productive and creative and was should we this is when I should write some amazing piece of music or should write something or something she come out of this and? Relax and take notes. It's actually okay if we're just getting by this bachelor yeah because you are just going by the lockdown just was insane exhaustion of like tidying the house cleaning the floor mopping after three messy kids you. Just. Just keeping all. Yeah even that. Yeah I did definitely I've got a few girlfriends got kids Daphne sometimes find myself looking just thinking God clever ones. Bob. I think you. A look. So when you heard your first baby, did you always think you're going to be a mum while you would in your life? Is that something you is hateful artists don't remember this but my friends. Say that it was always found to be the one we had four kids and I just don't remember that but then I guess because finding the career took so long and then all say. That the kind of the mental health. Big thing. For me. So I was really down in my twenties. So she took me a long time to settle down with someone because I've just been not. So. So then I think that person. Babies on the back burner. And then and then I met my business partner we started doing well hacker and really busy doing that. So so then you know mark and I didn't meet 'til guess was definitely in my thirties and I was also living I, remember my friends saying domino's living in Mexico and I didn't really know why Mexico either one of those things where you know that big part of. Off My life. Yeah I love to travel mementos eighteen and something made me go cop Toubon Mexico City live there for you so. That was quite fun. Yeah. Mexico. City is a lot of fun. So so yeah, I think. I've lost my train completely well, was just asking you when you you always thought you'd be a mom and then how when that's I. Mean you already running Mahathir. So when when you mark your? Your husband young because it's after French to your business partner. Mark on your husband. So what happened was already established at that point was already even. Think thing we had just started it. I think we just also we were slotting it. And we we took you know I think we took quite on time to kind of make up our minds and then but but it is funny once. I mean, I just love babies. I just love children and I think. That my friends me that I always want love children and I think I think my first I was on such a mission because I think wasted so many years. I. Is calling for. Not, achieving that then once I'd started working and feed I, WanNa proper mission I was working. I was working so hard and it was almost a form of therapy to avoid thinking about anything else. Anyway. Loved excuse not to have to anything else. But work I think is quite a handy excuse to build just plain work on everything. That's really interesting. Things. Say I think that really resonates? Yeah. Always say work and it does become this place where you can put so much stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. An excuse not to do so many things that maybe ship eating like nurturing relationships or family or whatever. Say I worked three I do remember they. You know when you have your first child I remember. So I went to my mother's for month. which was really magical and then I remember getting home by myself. The first time with this baby and you know they call it talk back to you and that loneliness that sense of loneliness and that tyrod of am I going to do this. What am I going to I remember my sister the day. I. Wrote Back Home for being with my mother from what can you come and stay please and I think it's really Hokuto. Or not just that first time with your child. And so I did Daphne work through my first two maternity leaves quite hard rate. Book both my first human ten. Steve's, and then my third maternity leave managed to write a book before I gave birth. So any editing but then the third maternity leave as a bit of a gap between the tatty right. TATTY quite long time to derive, and then ought to just happen really quickly after that. So they were quite close together the I. And I think that was core anyway 'cause let's just exhausted from working so hard as well, and then I had a proper break and I think we were really because I cast so much about environment and I was really finding my Catholic Gaelic kind of Gang Shit. You have another baby shouldn't you know this kind of thing and then she just happened and then? That was quite a big chunk of time I, think the lovely thing is by that time, he realized how special is and how quickly that baby bit goes and I just remember this blissful time. Just you know holding and hugging and she's the most delightful kind of huggy baby and a property and bliss. But halfway through that. That I should not even say that united about say offer that maternity leave we got lobos in the restaurants always uncomfortably. Forced into work, but maybe it's not going to bring that up well as opposed anything that is impressive. I know it's not an easy thing to talk about because it's a horrible association but I think the way you handled was brilliant and had integrity and I think also you've had to overcome in which for a lot of businesses would have been something. They could never really come back from but we're hackers good solid reputation and it is a really a someone who goes there with my kids and my family a lot. It's a very consistently happy and good endurance in and all the people that work. There are lovely and all those little details that really make the difference between feeling like a valued customer and just being customer. So I think. What you experienced, but that must have been so stressful and just look back and think Kant believe we got through it but you did. It sounds so naff that corporate idea of having company valleys but we created these values when we started work together we were quite young we set up wacker but we were F- really evangelical idea of having a company that would be fun to come work in where people. Just, really enjoyed themselves and. We basically, non hierarchical and everyone could get by we give people trainings, they get other jobs. I think hospitality is such an amazing industry because you can take anyone off the street Issues self confidence issue anyone can thrive and blossom, and then going to do something else is the most. The an all embracing encompassing. Taking. Anyone in and I, love that people who offer life or nationalities. Bay Sexes we've got such a great amount of women running restaurants and managers, and I'm so proud of that aspect of hospitality, which is often seen as kind of underdog of a book of a career and yet which is creative and independent, and you get to really think on your. Feet about stuff, and then you get to create delicious food. and. The values that we created really helpful at norovirus we really relied on them to govern every. The law would like Donut Mitt any culpability don't say you're sorry and we were just like nave course we're going to say we're sorry. Yeah. Not Few poisoning came happened but we made people ill and say soy gone and funny enough. In lockdown has played out again because. I have been so proud about company three lockdown because we have been cooking with. Angela heart and feed ninety nineteen full ICU units and have been. So I sat help set up a charity cool chess and schools within the call Zion and Henry Dimbleby a copy is a trustee. And so we've also been feeding. Underprivileged kids in quite a few schools in south London and when I come into my sites and I, hang out with my managers, my chefs who are coming in on their own time he so delighted to be there to be helping someone else and to be just doing something that's productive and useful, but also having so much fun with their cheeky and fond and not all that kind of stuff that made me feel so proud and this just the camaraderie of our company as we as we've caped through this really difficult time for restaurants as. A really difficult time for restaurants but it's interesting because you've spoken a lot about the wilderness years and how it's kind of gives you this impetus to make good use of the time now and he thought that you actually. Arrived at things later than you should have done. But actually if you hadn't had that ten years, there's so much about how you've handled the work you start the company. that those values probably would have been really different because even hearing you talk about if people have got. Confidence, issues or they haven't gotten amazing academic results or whatever if they can come in from any background and make you something delicious to eat, you're going to say that tastes amazing. You're really clever for doing that and it can build people up. Now that's obviously been a big of your experience to and giving people that self esteem and wanting that to be infused in what we're hacking representative. When it comes to the day, it probably wouldn't have happened in that way if it hasn't been something that was so significant to you well, I definitely think that. Looking back when life gives you Knox and Very few people go through all of their lives without any knocks, but maybe some people get the Knox later on the maybe actually it's quite useful. It's getting Knox quite early on because you're right shape you and it definitely makes you think more probably in a different way and I think that's a good thing I think I I mean it's horrible when you're going through. The pets but I think. There's also something quite. Good about not being afraid to Viggo going wrong anymore because you've had happen that's one of the things that experience can give you an think a literally had every. Can. You feel that you've had every worst case scenario and you got through it and it was okay. Actually is not very nice race. Okay. Do get through it then I think, yeah, I kind of definitely think. Is Weird thing to even hope that with your kids that they have bits these these peaks and troughs be at the things that they need to go through and you're not going to be able to protect them from Bachelorette land up being hopefully something whether learn quite a lot of things that make them I mean the ED teachers I, teach him that mistakes. As how you learn few mistakes don't you you just? Hey, mistakes. Not, going to compete you take you down I know exactly and I. I don't know if this is normal but I spend time all. Is Enough I get closer to the kids about something or if in a bad mood or a bit distracted or something, and then I'll kind of go back later and savvy sorry about that. But I feel like now they think I'm always gonNA come back and say the story sometimes especially with my older ones that'd be like. Weighing feeds comeback in half an hour and say, actually it's fine. You can do that I'm sorry I snapped. Bill to end. Now. What's going to happen? 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NECTAR SLEEP DOT com. So when you were. Working. Did you always think you would go back to a hacker and run it sounds like your first baby you were like well, I wa I actually saw it as mentally I have breaks from the restaurant I stayed in talk to them and I still talk to my business all the time but what I was still always doing was writing. And doing recipes and and then just generally. I I find. I find myself getting involved in projects, and at the moment I'm going in my house through lockdown just coming out of it. I've gone through a period of wondering. If I'll ever work again you know am I am on the person she produces stuff or do I just really ever really ever bailed presenting again you got those kind of moments of doubt and then I look back over the kind of crazy things I come up with we did think of the idea which was essentially raised. We read eight pigs in Stepney city farm on allowable food waste. then. We had a big banquet. We slaughtered six the pigs and fed five thousand people on Intertribal Square I didn't style Stewart. and. It was basically to shine a light on the fact that offer mouth, the government, and then the whole of Europe banned Swill as an industry. Right. So instead of recycling feed waist, which is the most ecological things. Do we just chuck it out with their now we are composting some of it, but the best way to is to give it to livestock. and. Then obviously, the flip side of not giving food waste livestock is that we're cutting down the Amazon to feed livestock. So. So. The great thing about lockdown is that so many people don't think about these issues. Well, he comes for him because we you know we we do not have enough. We will not have enough food to feed everyone the way with going. Unless. We stop eating so much I. Eat meat I I love beef actually chicken and pork more harmful at the moment to the planet than beef and lamb, which are really good ways locking in carbon. Out Cattle to graze on grassland. No. In kind of big shot feedlots. Basha grassland and they're really good at singing carbon and keeping that carbon in soil so that she quite Ekanayake friendly to have a bit of beef every now and then not a whole obviously The Gist of how we manage our soil how the cost it 'cause great civilizations died out overnight pretty much. Bye Bye. You complete soil erosion. Soil intense we've farming and they did an Polanco members mazing triple I did PALANCA and the the head of the archaeological. Department in Mexico City flew out to show me around the ruins with my parents of so-called tattoos like nine months old and. And he they. He said, you know we don carbon analysis and they basically shut down all the trees they were building the Pyramids. They overused that population explosion and they ruined the saw and they died out of. Having A. Thousand Years They died after about twenty and we just these patterns we see and ally date feel I didn't feel like doom and gloom about it i. feel like this hope that every single one of us have such power just how we eat because food and how it's transported outgrown uses more energy and more water than any other industry So then if we all just have a bit of kind of excitement about, yes, they can do this. I can eat more vegetables I can buy locally I can goes my local market and that is helping save. The planet is helping save species is to protect the rainforests and we can order it I. think there's a real empowerment about that. The I feel everyone can get behind because I think. So much of life is disempowering these days with technology and huge corporations and the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. So much of it feels disempowering. Think food is such a political thing, and that's why I'm saying to see fascinated by it and I guess. Now that I'm talking to you the idea that I'm not going to come out with some of the project is list. So laughable because I saw talking about this i. feel so passionate about that I no longer. Even does not even a glimmer of worry about La. I was actually. Thinking about that because I think as a consumer. I would like to be to be more disclosure about what's in season and when menu for there to be more information about whether whether exit come from whether meets come for away vegetables because I think most people don't really give a lot of thought about whether food come from or whether it's local or not. And Know when you go to buy your your local goes to the supermarket or get your delivery whatever's convenient for most people because has time to go and go around farmers, markets and things just having way goes that if you just want to see the seasonal options local, just click this just shows what's down Abboud I'd love that or in a restaurant if they go. Sorry we marked here because that's actually not free range. I. Mean. You don't even know half the time where things have come from you donate donate and then difficult I think the difficult question also is that we we pay very little profit. And and. And yet we pay a lot for feed at the same time. Say at the checkout we pay very little but then the s which pay for in our taxes has a huge billions and billions is a third advantage as budget is now diet related disease A Diet kills more people now than than smoking related Disease Oh alcohol related disease it's the biggest killer worldwide and that's in developed nations as. Developing so people and this country you know the link between Carnivores Diet is quite bleak. We eat more ultra processed food in this country than any other nation in Europe and and yet we think it's allow this this country blocked. Bannon glysophate. Which is chemical we spray on our fields and also Big Companies Spray on wheat after they've picked it to dry out quicker. So they can praise quicker and make more money. On this idea that that the the people in charge of making feet. Governed by Prophet and nothing else you guys have AIDS have been linked to Alzheimer's to dementia to diabetes to cancer to so many diseases and they tried to find across Europe. I just think. At some stage we've got to realize how crucial is the food that we put body. How we treat the soil and how linked to the to life to the rainforest species to insects even at the Earth Worm, you know we're losing insects without the earthworm mesler is nothing says all linked? Again, it's not meaning to be depressive. If we can take more interest in the how we eat what we eat a more pleasure in it and allow ourselves time for it and maybe this whole. Technological Revolution where we've got more robots. Some people say well, then he worked four days a week because be enough work. Well maybe that's a good thing. Maybe we'll spend more time gained feels than picking feed ourselves or going to the markets or just preparing a meal because all say. Being, able to cook, and that's one of the work that Chacin school stars, which this amazing charity that teaches kids about food and how to cook because it's so enabling. If you don't know how Hook and you also live in a flat, that's been designed badly other Scott. No proper kitchen in it then that's really Ebeling to build feed yourself but you can feed yourself really cheaply. If you do that how to cook and how to make onion taste delicious to make some black beans tastes delicious and feed yourself with nutritious grains and. Not, not rely on really expensive. Say. It sounds like such an obvious thing. You wonder why it's not just a really stable part of the curriculum anyway that make people can feed themselves. Well, you start to wonder sort English cynical thought of what's was the benefit and keeping people. So they always make their own decisions and they can't. You know is, is there some sort of economic bonus where people are actually just go and buy processed food or feel I have two other ways to feed themselves when they have the basic tools are just making themselves nice tweet but also I think the economics is. The small guy doesn't win. So the small guy was talking about the farmers who are looking after the soil, not spraying the of chemicals looking off the wildlife they got the worst deal they're not getting the most of their money. Whereas often industrialized huge companies that do make the money from processing the food growing crops on. And and then present kind of cheat ready meals. But which we paid for by the river pollution by the lack of the the need to keep on putting more fertilizers on soil that's knackered and dying and say, yes, there are lots of hidden costs and I think we need to stop being honest about those costs and also the government needs stop being honest about how to help poor people be able to eat better feed because it's often the most disadvantaged kids are not given access to in vegetables because they cost more relatively than. Shikha and oil and stuff at that is often. Anyway subsidized. And it should be fresh fruit and vegetables that are substitutes. Bought lately and local networks because that supports farmers, we know that most economies are run by small medium businesses. If you can look after those visits spacey everyone's Ak. Huge large companies. So anyway I guess it's quite socialist. I guess there is. A sense to. Look after the farmers feed, Mathare wage, the cost the poor people make sure they go access these vehicles and not just next to corner shop that only sells process. Then cost the government fortune anyway in Portentous at school and diabetes obesity or that stuff none of Myers for free. Now I mean. When you're saying I must be so many countries in Europe that just look us and why they in these basics. So Wrong To know what the scary thing is. Globally is all moving that way. You know even countries like frauds. Is. The multinational companies make a lot of money by persuading us to eat ultra processed foods. That's what they spend all their marketing budget on the compare much the government spends on marketing fresh vegetables to the nation might be ten million or something, and you combat the hundreds of millions. Therapy companies spend trying to convince us that dairy Motzer, delicious boys, more chips by Patrick Chris by Marlins Nicobar because that's much more fun than having a single sicker in. These kind of. Far Right, I heard this young woman on on Radio Show going people on idiots they know that food's not bad for them or they have to say no, and I think that's rubbish. That is okay. It's being marketed marketed marketed martyred to leave us and we're all human. I'm also were designed to to seek out fat and sugar and salt, and the combination of all of them is completely delicious and unavoidably kind of addictive and there's also an emotional tie like. The I think so much of your relationship with food is perfectly sealed before you even double digits. So if you were given those things as a kid, then there's like a emotional residents isn't narrow and comfort in that and I need to taste. Yeah. Potatoes you'll take sent me ages for the Golden Arches not to have Pavlovian hungry response just from looking at the golden of crazy. It took way like over a decade probably actually stopped eating, McDonalds? No, totally just. From when I was tiny yeah I'm still and I'm tired. The first thing I do is reach for junk feed is that's comforting tastes delicious course it does little reason why they're making billions of pounds of prophet is something you talk about with your daughters they really aware of Louis Things I didn't actually talk about it basically we. Try and. We. Love we love fees we laser butter and olive oil and I'm not really precious about sugar and we don't do anything. We dainty alternative sugar anything because I find that's just another fad and. All my all the females in my family models and my mother was quite anorexic and I basically, he wrote with so many Feta Cheese and I had feeder. She's all through my twenties and it was like a chain around on my neck dominated everything. All food was how fast how? Those punishing masters and I am completely free of now and I eat crap sometimes danger but generally, I feel better than when I'm eating feed that it's delicious. But I whatever I won't ever nobles and I my daughters to have any rules or any. And I'm sure I'll give them some issues and I'm sure stuff you hand without meaning to you definitely the. But. Basically. I mean we just we just eat process with here so they don't even see it. But you know what's not Where we have a field day. This is great. This is our. Packaging and everything very exciting. Do. What does it very? Family places. That's something that was before you had a family or do you think that that sort of grown with the company as evil? So raise your. Yeah I. I don't think we ever meant it to be family, but it just it just kind of fun. I think that kind of feed is fun for kids where they can be the the masters of their own invention. I can build our in tekkers they can put whatever they want to know and those small plates I a great because if you've got small appetite is nicer to see small things and it's colorful and I think funny enough. To, Mexico and the hold, the whole culture is welcoming for kids. It's that hot typical Latin atmosphere where kids are really late at parties with grown ups and stuff and I think as solving quite irrepressible about Mexican culture and maybe that's what kids love about going to a hacker because. You can't help feeling. You just always feel that slight bit of excitement is true. Energy hasn't buzz. Yeah, and that is that's to staff our like our angelic I feel. So lucky we have such cool. Star forty s we got these amazing people who work you know and it's just great great plus you get Tequila which definitely house also. Or? Think or lockdown. Jankulowski this God's way Richard. Margherita. So yeah, every Friday. Night, we would do these little discos in our. John. It became like a real unconfessed and then we used to basically the prices got second night out because after that, we put the little to to bed and then but let old one-step for bit late, and then we have a couple of cocktails and eat something. Nice. It was like a Friday nights and it just meant we actually shape to the weekend we definitely have done for the Definitely really something. Otherwise all the days blur into one. It's funny because my mom I'm not using this advocate drinking during or any point by my mom. She hasn't really been drinking at all and she was like it's no different could have been having a drink every evening it's no difference. I think Richard I at one point he said I think I'm GonNa have a bit of time of when I was like I'm not so nice the end of the day and then like a glass of something just punctuation of like well done another day happened. The Sun will rise again today. Rolls. Over. Rose. was going to ask you. Listening to you talk I kind of get the impression that a lot of your drive and passion and all the things you got going on in the. Books and the projects they would all be going on whether you'd had children are not and it feels like your kids are kind of along for the ride but would you say that's a fair thing would you think that they have actually kind of? Influence your creativity or influence the choices you've made I think I think they are deaf I. think that's Fabio happening anyway. Because it, it's my passion and my what is my passion? But they also my passion and I think I think the walls quite scary at she when you've got children, you think about their future what's going to happen in the future? So I think. But also they a check on my work and I think. I think Daphne number. Three. Once, three children does no real hope of of of some level of work. You know you has no way you can work through weekends anymore and and you know you can't necessarily work till midnight every night because you're just T- shatters. So I think. That really nice side I remember always fearing about becoming such a whole corporate this woman that I lose all kind of softness and kind of you know I just become late one of those ready Hokuto. But who are one of these core that feels almost bad can a calling out my sisterhood anyway but I didn't want to be safe acres that I had was work. I think people really important to me and I I really love having their little these little nature's and they can be maddening sometimes. But that just that was a really good fun than really fun and it's fun having them around and I think. That is fun. And I know that's very. I think he's a really bad mother lime really crazy. The kitchen I'm really bad any the lockdown school. Projects I merely shoot me. Shipping Teacher Sorry Robert but didn't know that about myself radio or at least it wasn't a big reveling it's actually fully aware fully aware as well. You know I think it's fun having them along the right and if I can make their lives fund in any way and I just you just want them to be quite people that you. Give a shit about the world as well. But we'll say keeping fun because in the end of the day, just reporting the world for short time to have a few children or not and have some fun as my mother says, what what else are we here for really in the scheme of being a small planet or big Cena. System Yeah. Well, it sounds like. Your child and that was quite quite serious and you weren't always having lots of fun sounds like that something that you really keen to rectify. Yeah I. think that's I. Think. Whilst I knew the lockdown thing with the schooling that when the wheels fell off that so quick but I really hope that my family can look back and think that we had a lot fun too and it has been weird one isn't it? Because as I felt guilty when we were having a nice time as well because dealing with the anxiety and the stress was predictable horrible predictable. But how the bit where you sat there thinking actually this is really nice. We're together to go. That is quite Still the reason why we're not done as been dubbing abstracts in lots of ways. Yeah, and IT'S Where things get your head around be really interesting to see what his generation making in the voter and talk about it. Well I think that's why they they've got to get them back to young normality since possible because you know as you felt. You know my kids are privileged and we have been out bicycling and we've been an outside space so much and I just think about the kids you haven't had the and eating properly and you know makes you feel desperate just thinking about them and there's like logical fallout from this. Absolutely. So yeah, I reckon they just got to work out a way to look after the children who feature the kids where the school meal is there main nourishment of the day and was so many gaps in the woodwork that don't actually add up as this. Is Pretty Shameful Ready yeah. Definitely. Be a fallout from all of it but. Hopefully everything kinda stuck right itself by September then it won't have been Yup. You're right. There's definitely my kids to very privileged. Thank. Even lucky enough to be having a nice time with their families. Really. I'm sure it'd be something that will come out again and again it's conversation starts emerging seeing each other again. Wherever this new normal is that we're kind of experiencing but but for the Meantime. There does feel like a sense of community comradeship nurturing looking after each other i. do think that has been so much positives. Saying at the lake. And people reaching each other I think that it's been a really lovely see. Yeah I agree and the fact that you know your instinct, the beginnings taking bread runs people that's an nutshell. I, can I reach out and Sam here if you need me and his nourishment something bates among kitchen last. Lovely. Lovely today. Could be semi give Richards to trust me US oh. Yeah. And they just thought. Like this I that's all I want st now is just like really go nuts. Love to dance I would love to. I felt like getting about how your thighs hunting from definitely feeling a little bit of your case on. Say You said you've had two birthdays during that, your oldest and your. TATTY turn nine. She's my eldest. She's a proper gaumont cheese historical. So last night she came down. Not Not supposed to be coming down, we were having dinner and got some soul from the market. And my ninety hit coach to Asian style ninety couldn't cook a single thing when she started a year ago has become the most incredible cook. INSTAGRAM and I I mean so impressive and she incredibly Asian Soul and Greens and vice versa, and then we got the leftovers. So I, made kind of break up the soil. And then I got my Samachar out from the cupboard which as chilly Pena Oil from California and insane on anything and we were laying on our peanut and Chile all onto our fishing Greens and rice and touchy game down and she came down to and that was quite hot. This peanuts you know you don't like it slightly go even your property hope for you and they're both what I know. Now I WANNA give it a go and they're like, that's really delicious. I got such. Proud. When they start getting late Fiji. Yeah. So yeah, Tattoos Nine Ati is seven. And and just I'm then is he is is a door is four now nearly for although she still the baby yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean I sort of tried to stop myself mosque if they're into food. Is Question but at the same time, if you're cooking and eating at the family and stuff, it's still be anybody's live even if it's not what they do for a living as well. Well, amazing about kids as you do realize that they all eat differently anywhere and they will have different tastes and so then then. Perfect. I. Think. It's a really easy thing for mothers to themselves about about how they feed their children and whether eating healthy enough and I think you just do your best but I definitely was a conscious bag introducing as many different flavors as early on. I'm not very good at giving them options I'm afraid they get one option, and then if they don't want to. Yeah I'm quite hardcore by that because I feel I feel the need to try things and they do have to eat screen vegetables but they love green vegetables actually you know. Because they are delicious but vegetables the boring on delicious safe. You've give a child some coach. Broccoli with no seasoning and naboth oil lemon juice on 'cause we're going to like it. But if you want some Greens in a pan with garlic and oil and bit assault and. Squeeze Lemon Geez you know, hey, presto delicious and I think the same with French dressing might kids will. Eat pretty much anything as long. One thousand dressing. So I think kids are like. infantilized a bit with food one, hundred percent agree with you know and if you'll, if you'll fed chicken nuggets and checks all the time, that's all you're gonna eat mom was I. think they should be experiencing as many flavors as you eat. You know why should they get a kind of limited range? I think they should never cook kids something you wouldn't want to eat yourself. People do that. They'll make some cobbled together massive a male and where they go and you would you be happy. That's you know one of the not very excited. is there something that you find? Is that a real like sure for firmly head got like favorite favorite thing all three of them love while I mean the hammock pizzas really fond. We've got the day starter to go but. I mean we have treats we definitely have trees I'm trying to think I. got I mean fish and chips. Great. Fish Tacos they love. So we've had to make official since we're has been shot because I really miss the fish tacos from. which they love but but I still completely got it wrong like the other day I made some kind of Daphne using out some leftovers which normally always delicious love leftovers. But this one you know was, and then I found some TOMATILLO SALSA I've been testing recipe for. So I stood that in a and then I'd forgotten that on deer that a pit on his basic of its much flavor and protein was quite. Spicy and the whole thing say spicy and touchy my eldest just retired she had a total meltdown. She screamed for half an hour about how discussing it was why rich case a quote, the other team when no way going to touch it at all it was like a Friday night we were supposed to be awesome band together and having a meal together. It was a total disaster anyway saying we all got it wrong even. Yeah and there's actually there's something so hard for your. Spirits to deal with when you've cooked something for ages of your kids and you think this is great and then they just let I don't get anything that there's so much love in that dishes. One is all the time. It's infuriating mothers. We're all spending plates we're just. Trying to your copy of your article, and then you're trying to make sure that the the floor swept and it's not looking to you disgusting and you do the shopping, and then you realize wash doesn't come out of the washing machine and then someone's emailing you or asking you to go a knees night and you're desperate to become just as. Serious as any other person and you're just you're thinking. How all these balls in the air. So, BEN SOMETIME SAPA YEAH Forever up yeah and when do they normally have good idea of what you do for a living do you think? They talk boy their friends I think I think my three of quite Gomez in some ways. We have the news on much banks I was listening to the radio so that friends sometimes they are your mummy. A. She got famous mom how many mom's famous and then are famous one over. So. Yeah. I think I think but I think they don't really care. I, think they probably enjoy the fat. They get nice feed although I think sometimes specially my middle child, it doesn't care that much about feed would prefer it if I wasn't a Kirk and then she knew We've got one of these in my family definitely just gets a bit later. Trying too hard here. Indulgent. What was I gonNA say T. Question, going on from the. Because with when you're saying before about work as a things on as you could sort of blamed things on work and say you know I'm working you need to me space on working. That's why I was rubbish with. Dealing with a friend or something like that. But with with the lockdown, I feel like. Normally I can do my what when the kids at school. But now they're all the time and I'll say I need to do some work or need but do you find you have the space head is just girona they is everywhere are accessible for them we are. We are really lucky because we moved into a new house. A year before lockdown, he'd been working on it in lockdown and filling skits with Earth and building things my dad's building my desk over claimed would that we took from the kitchen floor. So it's been a bit of family kind of effort and I like things I like things that being a bit gratuity at. All my plate prepared and perfect but equally, the desperation sometimes when you got your three kids on top you, they know you're in the house and that that desperation because my husband is angelic and those lists but he still has the willpower or the ability may be shut the door and just turned into his work whereas I feel like as the woman if the House that's always an element where we were just pulled in pulled in and I think having not supposed to work, it's really Hokuto and I think I think women Daphne have suffered more from lockdown. You know. The washing the sweeping. Mart does leads but but I still feel the women share is quite massive and then joined to keep a work life gang is quite hogle. Yeah. I. Think I read something someone put up Saying like. Mango tend to have a an office or somewhere they go to do their work whereas the women are trying to do often the kitchen table and for me that was. Yet that's completely an our house which is wonderful studio. So the dynamic has always been when he goes into the studio, that's his space, but I have equivalent and I've never really needed it specifically because always come out and do my work elsewhere. So having not having that it's been really I really struggle with the lack of head space was something I. It took me weeks to sort of try and find a way to. Give that somewhere give it a space couldn't do it. I cycled around regions, poke I. Really. Just, something to get out and. Say here when you could actually have some time to yourself. Yeah. But I'm really lucky. The lovely ninety lives with us. So yeah but yeah. Title Sanity Being Restored Yeah. You need a bit of that. Yeah, and actually that's something I. Think I need to carry forward religious trying to find a way to. Get that balance a bit better for I mean the moments well, let's morning my eleven year old wanted he's written screenplay and wants to film the eight-year-old dressed song. They can wanting me to do his face paint so that it matched the rest of his costume and it's getting really crossing me I said I. Couldn't really get their heads around like you keep saying that every day work come on come and do project but I think is really good for children to know them other works I. I love the You know I, say he's going to pay for next holiday. How do you think we lovely feed and why do you think you've got nice bedrooms as because I work and? I could not work, but then all these lobby things might go away and I think it's a really good lesson for them. Yeah. But also I think you're going to be very calm when they get older because if they do have the equivalent of your wilderness years and they just need to go off and do their own thing and have event is going to be like. Yeah thumbs up. Crossing fingers. Did, you have an idea of what kind of mom you might want to do you think getting among Mommy though he? Love my parents actually really they were. They were they were in some ways. I was exposed me to kind of achieve a lot, but they will also really give me freedom and size allows with working parents. Yeah. They were my mom stop working at some point but but basically I was not given curfews. They trusted me to come back when I want to see one is going cobbing and stuff like that. So loved dancing. So that was really good I never really went off the rails in those teen years but so I, I would hate the like that but. But we love we've got this kind of character in the family, which is the linus because when I get enough sleep, I can get really grouchy and I find Saturday mornings and my really really west point because he got through really punishing week often, and you got Saturday and you probably gonNA t late on for a definitely. Bit Too much and then Saturday morning and it's full on there's no confirmed or of school all came schooling and then everyone's going on. That point I was I I. Kind of grouchy line comes out to me and I start roaring around the house and I hate that about me but at least. Now. It's become big jake and sometimes tatty would you say to Mommy do you won't get sleep? So I know what to look for your that's obviously not cool and is amazing once you've had some Steve how much everything is better. Oh Yeah. There's a reason why you can talk to people by denying us like an immediate thing isn't that Low Blood Sugar and not an athlete the two things if you can sort those balances out then yeah. Well, there's a much happier place and actually yesterday I was in a really bad moods just finding everything a bit snappier and knowing and then. I went out to a couple of errands suicides perk up Article V felt much better and I was laughing about something that you wouldn't file phony but basically carrying up at the post everything. Now, what you're two meter things that cute going for ages and I. Say, this is a really good ride is quite a long time to keep it went to go on is really good like for ten minutes theme this to me was. Very, very amusing. I'm Ann Richard Went Oh, it's really nice. Now you're in a good mood and I as I just. I'm not I'm not finding anything funny anymore. So I know if you're the same, they get good meet again don't comment that it's happening. I don't know. You want to know how I know I'm an optimist. Because I'm attempting to record this. And a very noisy house. And other basically been a bit brazen and I just wanted to sitting room, which means anytime anyone can walk in. Anyway. Did. You enjoy my Tommy I think she was so brilliant link candid. And Open and? Sometimes, I walk away from chat people and then a load of other questions pop into my head afterwards. And that's what we're told me I had all these questions I thought. Did I ask her enough about the things she was listening to the cost about sustainable Food when's December farming? Maybe you guys are interested in that I have to make sure you have that information but also she talked about her issues with foods and how she overcome them and how she used to have really big problems with food and she's worked through it and I thought the time you know it's tricky. Isn't it? When it involves mental health you don't really want to push too hard with things because the private however I thought if I just write her name out on OSC, she can say, yes or no conscious about whether or not to. Bit more about it and actually she was really thoughtful and open and sent me amazing email detailing how she'd managed to work through those issues I'm going to share that with you So is I'm GonNa read I'm going to read what she sent me. Okay. So she said when it came to the poor costs that she likes about food. Comes from the one she loves the school farmer armor is really interesting about the food supply and the people making amazing choices to how they grow their food and simultaneously nurtured environment. There was a look initiatives gave local people greater access to fresh fruit and vegetables, and it is really interesting. She says in brackets I never thought I'd be listening to farming. Focus. Pasta, unto you maybe you're be funnies of listening to farming podcast. And said with regard to healthy attitude to food it came off from a place appreciating food more taking more time to prepare it rather than guilty snatching it and never setting rules around I was allowed to eat. I see that's quite a big thing. Isn't it never setting rules around what she's allowed to eat and actually appreciating taking more time and like the wisdom of that? So she says that These these many books out there telling you how to eat better and eat clean I. Understand Food and what with every day. But even I find the mixed messages confusing avoid cubs, avoid protein only greens eat fat grains eat grains. Find the conflicting advice unfathomable and I know what? I'm doing the kitchen what people who don't cook much but simply wants to eat better what which are the many conflicting foods eating does one line and she says after many years of trying any diet came away the symbol answers to follow a non be around, listen to your own rhythms metabolic place and begin to understand what makes you feel good and your body feel happy. that sort of stuff is really obvious isn't it but actually, how often do we take time to really think about what we eating an absorb in that way? I mean my own theory about food is that so many of our relationship with is former. So small the understandable that it gets tied into emotional stuff and it gets very complex and hard to UNWRAP. But yes, by taking time to prepare your food and being engaged in the task and not feeling guilty, you probably actually look after yourself look better as a result. Sorry. That was my thoughts. To continue back to. Me She said I realized that when I was relaxed and spent half in the kitchen chopping settings deeming and tasting food. Part of the driving raging hunger has such power of early twenty s was already satiated by Thomas eat it was not real. Hunger has control of me but hunger to feed and unmet emotion a began to stop stop thinking that certain foods with the enemy. Dawned on me I was at my happiest when I was feeding full of people, the playing with food or ingredients and making them taste good was one of satisfying things did creating food eating sharing it made me feel great. The more I appreciate that the more appreciated me realize denying myself certain things. Then more gradually and unconsciously I stopped denial. When did I when I did sometimes wolf down a vast bar of chocolate ice shrugged my shoulders and moved on. Well, I think there's a lot of wisdom in that and explains her food philosophy. I'm really glad she shared that with me say thank you to me and actually my body is telling me. Once, chips So that is a good thing. I'm going to eat some chips. I love chips and. Chips and chocolates, and maybe okay Kurkin. Yet it's time to leave me as an but look a certain a bold place in a busy house and no one came to disturb me say. I'm just listening to what my body wants to eat enlisted to Emma body wants to sit down to Next week is the lost episode of this series of spinning plates. Thank you for holding my hand through this exciting time. My final guests series is the writer journalist Hadley Freeman. Who spoke to be very beautifully about. Her book which details the story of her grandma and talks about Jewish chat. And could house applause about her grandma's tale also spoke to you about movies about raising twins and the baby. About trying to write from high how does she do that? Well, TNN and you'll find out. Anyway, let's love them via. 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Deepak Chopra | Secrets of Healing | Guided Meditation

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Deepak Chopra | Secrets of Healing | Guided Meditation

"Aw hey there meditators it's your host matteo store. No i wanted to let you know that the interviews and meditations you here in this podcast are just a tiny taste of what we've recorded. All of the other episodes are available in the house unlimited audio mobile app as well as thousands of hours of other audios from amazing teachers like rebecca campbell spring worsham albert vio david g and others. The app also contains exclusive ad free meditations for starting your day helping you fall asleep connecting with your spirit guides finding focus and so much more you can start your free fourteen day trial now. Apple users visit. Hey how's dot com slash ios and android users visit. Hey how's dot com slash android. A today on the. Hey how's meditation podcast. We have meditation on the secret of healing with renowned teacher of mind body healing deepak chopra welcome to the secret of healing meditations for transformation and higher consciousness only once he could to healing and it is enlightenment. Indictment mean going beyond your ego encapsulated identity and realizing that you're the universe manifesting through the human of and becoming self aware when you feel unbounded and free you will begin to heal yourself into the word. Healing is related to the word holy healing. His the return of the memory of wholeness. When your whole your holy and you're healed when your whole you also lose the fear of death because recognize that death is a creative opportunity to recreate yourself so the secret to healing is actually lead to enlightenment the wisdom traditions say that the best way to reach enlightenment is three yoga. The yoga of meditation. This particular meditation city is for you to listen to mma harbach ya. Mom means big ideas cosmic ideas. According to the great wisdom traditionally donde. When you hear these ideas over and over again at trust you will not understand some of these ideas but as you listen to them because it shifting your consciousness everything changes these activists self repair mechanisms because revealing to us a true identity self regulation and self repair healing very spontaneously. The way you think changes your emotions and feelings moved to a higher level helpless and relationships move to a high level that is greater power of intention navigating to ten becomes much more powerful. There is more freedom of choice law creativity the also find ourselves experiencing loving kindness. Compassion joy peace of mind. All this happens they spontaneously because they're getting in touch with that. Part of our staff is inseparable from all that exists. Teza recite the sutras. Put your attention your body. Be aware of your heart. Potention anywhere in the body. Rain need healing closed. Just listen to the words. You should listen to these sudras for about ten to fifteen minutes a day. You can go longer if you want in the next day. Pickup from wherever you left and do another ten fifteen minutes. When you're finished the whole cd then come back to the beginning and keep doing it because what you're doing is seething your consciousness with words that come from the universal domain and even though you may not understand these words in the beginning there will be like seeds in your own inner being and when seeds are left alone in inner being they wait for the right season anti blossom into manifestation woods is the promise of thousands of forests. Just take it easy. Patillo awareness and say listen. I'm am space. I am the son. I'm the directions above and below. The gods demons wallabies darkness the dust. The wind the fire. And all this can be anything but me the spirit lice. Bill joy the world exists in me. The says the infinite consciousness even as a reflection seems to exist in. I am the frequence the and radiance even in that light. The experience whatever mobile or immovable beings existing the lewis. i'm this consciousness conceptualization. I am the very essence in all things in the universe just says butter leagues this milked. Liquidity exists in water even so in ritchie of consciousness exist on exists when we are established in being the mind body and the senses playthings purity total fulfillment of all is the absence of cravings friendliness toward truthfulness wisdom tranquillity sweet lists of speech supreme magnanamity lustrous pointing this realization of cosmic. Un's fearlessness absence of divided consciousness constant experiences one in being her. He sees the truths who sees that there is no division between the self and the other one infinite light of consciousness cysts has the reality whatever is in. The mind is like a city in the clouds. Emergence of this world his Be fully rooted in the non existence of your ego. He came into being through ignorance in dilution false identity even realize essence as the supreme being infinite consciousness and we will be freed from all conditioning. Imitations the universe ego sense and also the fancy that there are others as real as dream objects the sole reality is infinite consciousness which is pleasant pugh He sees the truth. Who seized the non dual consciousness risk wells in all beings impotent and omnipresent bandages non-existent surely degration is for woods of consciousness. Infinite consciousness created. each other. Fancy recreate was as the natural expression Nations experienced by many even as a statement made by very many people accepted to destroy. These are incorporated into the acquired. The reality after what is the truth concerning the things of this world except how they experienced conscious beings do. They're constantly use to nothing enlightened beings inner stages. even though i'm constantly engaged in activity i do nothing happens. Living up there is nothing took seem to cross to renounce what is the duration of a life span in eternity. This lifespan of us can put a trivial moment. Turning stretches before and after it existence is the infinite unbounded consciousness lifespan. just a single thought to snus Twitches known as a person is nothing other than the self experiencing of the infinite. In truth it is the big -nificant and infinite ocean of consciousness in which numerous universities appear and disappear. Ripples and we has the silkworm spins and this cotonou to humans read. The web of their own concepts caught in them when return away from the notions of the would liberate the notion of this show if the mind is s where the taste of food that is being. He's not really experienced. If the way elsewhere we do not see what is right in front of us. The sons are born of the mind but not the other way around when the mine ceases its agitation all the good and noble qualities blossom. There's peace impurity of heart. We do not fall into dote or risk friendship which for most to happiness worry sending zayed's dry up with the darkness of ignorance is dispelled light shines. Brightly mental distractions in distress cease. Just says the ocean becomes calm when the agitated symphonies infinite coaches just two spaces unaffected untouched by the clouds. This infinite conscious. This is unaffected and untouched by the universe that appears in it just as late as not seen except to the refracting agent even so the infinite consciousness is revealed these various bodies is essentially nameless and formless but names and forms associated to selection. Many candles are kindled from one another. It is the same flame that burns off campus even so the one brahman appears to be many when one contemplates the unreality of this diversity. 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The Dose of Fat  Show No. 145  Special Guests  Patty Glines Kotecki  Kurt Refsnider

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The Dose of Fat Show No. 145 Special Guests Patty Glines Kotecki Kurt Refsnider

"The dose of fat number one forty five may two thousand and nineteen. Welcome to the dose of fat podcast. We're raising in beer try to peacefully. Coexist with fun. Here's your host lay an Gomez. Hi, it's good to be back and fat airline Migas. How's it going? So let's put our hands together for the best color man in the business. The spinner Ryerson. Seven-time funder. Oh, derby beer in hand champ. And don't have a. And don't have a. Arrays coming up about how you can't quit if you don't start. Yes. We'll talk about that in Dubuque. That is. Yes. Yucaipa with hot dogs with Todd. And brats and PBR's you betcha. Anyway, today's show is brought to you by RSD bikes the driver's side down real deal, the next thing. So. So you knew that stood for rubber down new. Are they steal bikes? Real steel now represent down. They have titanium they have aluminium. Oh my God. They've fad bike that can run basically fat be plus twenty nine caused serious. Put some pictures up on the siren. So people can do, you know the music. Yeah. Okay. Sure, the Gomez and laya were stuck in traffic for half an hour or so spinner to no one. Amount and do. All right. You guys. Take a look at the sweet deals on RSD bikes dot com. Now, this that's a tribute to John Oliver. Let's take a break. And when we come back. It's Corp vice president and magic leprechaun priestess Patty glides kotecki, you're about to get checked by the ice Queen fep bike radio network. So I heard you need a fuck bike income dissents like say on the Illinois. We evolved runs Oreo. Surly on more. We have. Gears by four to five north. He does. Nice on toast, fix bikes. Also. So you already problem breaks? Year's suspension, we have best mechanics. So. Yeah. Visit off. Dot com. You're tuned into fat lake Federico radio. And we're back with Patty. Hi. Hey, patty. Hi. So you are a magic leprechaun Reese this. Currently. I am. I'm glad that was not mine. Oh, octopus tattoo that she has. Marks her. It's an Alta pus. Dane. And those tentacles down around the elbow at some point. And check it out when I do. Lexin? Yeah. Getting some new ink by that guy. Carla marts. I'll really yeah. You'll see it and you'll be like. Grand theft. Da did mine. Yeah. She's awesome. So we have patio on the show to talk about a couple of subjects that she came up with. Well, I think somebody has actually unannounced maybe killed lamp. Yeah. I'm noticing you raised in the battle a camera. Yeah. I did. It was that. I was I don't know maybe three years ago. I'm like the one on the podium where in a Long John shirt and my keen mountain bike twos. Flip-flop ones. No, no, they're the shoot. Like the party ones. I do the flip flop once. Yeah. Yeah. So you do your cross the just come out and decided to do my own bike racing. I've been a mountain Baker for twenty five years. Yeah. She had a bad Burkey experienced. Bills are cyclists you. Okay. Good. Didn't you? Okay. Maybe a triathlete. That's what I was thinking the other one she's her. She's disciplined in racing. Motorcycles. So that girl can coroner however that she can talk about pet anyway. Okay. So parodies. Court. Well, no, we gotta talk about Corp. I hold up is going ahead. Here we ask about your. Yeah. Let's ask about your first fat bike experience. Yeah. Because I believe I was there you totally were there. So my first half, I experienced was a surly demo ice cream truck, and I fell in love with ice cream check, and I bought a ice cream check. And then I road my husband's for Allison. Tell fast. Yeah. And now, I write a boreal flew for my fat bike. Yep. Do you always think of the smashing pumpkins? This is the greatest day video whenever you ride that ice cream truck. Or when I'm you wrote her whenever you say ice cream truck now. Does anybody else? Song? I know there's the actual ice cream truck truck. In that video f f f always wanted a surly. Yeah. For sure. So for those of people that don't know can you talk about what corpus? Yeah. Absolutely. So capital offroad pathfinder's. We are the stewards for the twelve kick ass mountain bike parks in greater Dan county area. And the thing I really learn like as somebody who loves to ride I've written on those trails forever. But there is a ton of land use management that's involved in managing those parks. So you're setting up use agreements with all the municipalities raising money because you get beautiful trails when their machine built versus getting a lot of volunteers to do it. So while volunteers are very very important having money to actually have guys come in and bring the big machines and do designs for us is really really important to and you can go to mad city dirt dot com to donate. Absolutely see when all the trails are. Open yet how they're looking upwards on them up. We have volunteer day. So there's an events page that talks about things that are happening in the greater Dane county area battle of cameras coming up June second that is our like one of our biggest fundraisers so for us but also wars race to. Official immature after two. Nba chapter if you're a member you can designate that you wanna be in a court. Well, when you join Corp, you're actually joining Imbaba, and then Corp gets a membership kickback. Yes. Absolutely. Yep. Cool. Now, are you guys working with Emba on the donations that the grant that we got for a new trail system? Corey's Greencore is deal. Yeah. For the Madison kind of adventure city stuff. Yeah. We are. Absolutely. Yep. When's that gonna go down? I don't know the answer to that. I just saw the map for that. On Friday, slow roll had their grand opening party. And Corp was there to celebrate where the recipient of the silent auction. I don't know when that's going to start. I'm I'm gonna guess pretty soon. I think. You spinner slow roll. Yeah. Sounds like the right up. Your alley. Wow. That was their roles. Are they dealing up over there? More just bikes. A new board member. Yeah. Incorporate Corp actually has just kind of turned over quite a bit, right? So there's you you're one of the new leaders. Are you are you the first female board member? I think I could be. Yeah. I think I might be good to do Madison is really a progressive a progressive city for for women's cycling. There's quite a few groups, and that's kind of a perfect segue to one of the things. I do. Yeah. The fearless women of dirt and Bill joy. How does that work into your? Yeah. That actually witchcraft has been really really awesome. So I have been riding with the same people for twenty years. Now mountain biking for twenty years of the same group of folks, and we are invited to participate. I in some girlfriends, Annabel, joy Reid and ever since. Then I've been involved as a ride leader. So about four years now just helping to get more women on dirt way back in the day. My husband and I taught mountain biking for field studies program at a community college. So we actually took people up to nine mile and Chicago McGauran, they got PE credit. We got to spend time in the dirt with them. So I already had familiarity kind of coaching, folks. But I I found I had a real passion around it. And I just really enjoy it. So started I've been doing that for four years and then go. In touch with Josie around fareless woman of Dir a year ago to basically offer more writing upper -tunities for women. Is there a certain sites that women can go to 'cause I I have a couple of girlfriends that wanna get in. I'm trying to help them as much as I can. But it's like, okay, you gotta find the demo days. You didn't find a by? Yeah. Fast for them. And you don't want the mango with you. I do what I can. Oh, yes. So as of. Slow doesn't do drop. So it's like I'd like to take them under my wing once and then gently pass them off. Let's see here. Yeah. All of our stuff is on Facebook. So bell joy rides Madison. We have six rides scheduled for this year that was right there all with one exception, July. Twentieth. Twenty-first we're actually going to do bike packing trip from Madison or Verona out to blue mounds and back, but the rest are all mountain biking and the important thing to know for that they are purely social rides every ride has lead a sweep we're hi five in at the end. This is not about training. We might session stuff with beginners. But this is not about being a fire breather. It's really about having a great invited. You would not have a good time. Well, fearless woman dirt Madison. We also have a Facebook page and that too is I'm going to augment the bell Joyce schedule. And then I'm also going to do is standing ride Blackhawk and pleasant view every Tuesday night. Ooh, you're funny. Because when when Patty is saying these things both fitter layout. Yeah. He's suits furious. This is how you get. On tinder. Hey, Tony stories not dead. You should attend. Be the wet blanket on that. No. This is not about that. No. It's not about that. But there were. Sitting in pleasant. View course bar waiting for everybody to finish. A while ago. And there was a women's right going on at quarry ridge. And I was like, hey, I'm going to be there. And she's like, no you shouldn't be there. It's not a dues. No. Good. Good. No. But I was changing pedals. Yes. But the writer I was helping out the other thing that that demonstrates for us, though, is that there really aren't a lot of female mechanics in the industry, and especially in the Madison area, I know with Shinshu is definitely getting in there with cargo bikes and ambers back in town. So there definitely. We're. Yeah. Encouraging both Q, and I believe he had. Yeah. Programs to give people events training, sir. So at that time, though, we were glad to have you plus map brought his equally. It was great. For you can't make it reminds me of a woman's camp outing. I went to as a week long women's camp. And the only menu saw or the dude's coming into change out the porta potties. I love if I had to have a. Role. Wow. Vol. You're welcome for my service at day. Yeah. Thank you. But you're also you're doing a kiss right at Blackhawk. Yeah. I actually so my Tuesday night standing ride will be after coaching little kids on the black hog mountain bike team. I'm gonna do that the summer to ask is it's not a Nike team. No, it's little kids. So it's like six to nine I'm going to be doing some hurting ducklings. But the guy who puts it on told me that I will also be chasing kids down Howlin wolf. So isn't there? Isn't there an event on Sunday or Saturday this week for people that are interested in volunteering to be there is each on Saturday? What time is that? I think that's from three to five. I'm actually leading bell joyride there. Also. So we've got a cyclic ride at blackened pleasant view. So I told them I would just be stopping by. Me Jack Steck links. Ladies mentioned third group Cyclo film cycle famous something that Belgium doing with Bombay bicycle club. So we're all gonna meet at capital burry on Saturday. And then there's two road rides in wonder ride, but we'll all take out from there. And then get back together and have shown up to these things. How Bill rates we have everything from sometimes five sometimes twenty five depending on the day is a good for everybody. This is going to be a really big event bomb bay has a very big like the road cyclist, and they have a big club. So when you coach the kids do you teach him sweep the leg, Johnny. I have no idea what to expect. Or is it let on whack? So I think it's gonna be that gonna be a lot of off the saddle. No strider feed it three. Yeah. Attack position. Yeah. I think it's going to be a lot of tax position. At that age. Have you seen those on on those little road? Courses and the and the kids are just running right by going strike. They're an attack mode. Adults on AmEx bikes. Elk's run. Bike rodeo this summer, but I saw leaned forward and where they put in the seat that does not comfortable, you might you might get like a girdle or something right there. Or you know, some sort of protective plate. Your abdomen. Okay. Anyway, if you play your cards. I don't know. Tonight. You don't have to. But that's your also does to you for taking that on. Adrienne. Have any kids? Now, it actually I figured it would be my way to have a guaranteed ride on Tuesdays Thursdays. I'm already there with my bike. So I'll just ride until the sun goes down. Oh, that'd be awesome. Yes. I like those trails. I love them. So fun. I totally agree. So you looks talk about events. Yeah. You just did the dairy Rubare. Everybody's does every state rip off the the French race and make some sort of word parody for. Fabian the barrier bay you got the dairy bay. I think I saw one more to what do they do in in Dixie obey. Patty. You're bitter a bit. That right. Oh, that's a road read. So how many feet of climbing, and we did like thirty eight hundred which for me is a lot my friends on the east coast kind of giggled when I said that sixty miles. I just bought a salsa Warburg and had a kick ass time on that. But I did throw a mountain biking rear cassette on it. So I could get a couple more granny gears. It would not have been a fun trip for me if I had known that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really fun though. It's really hilly area they drift area. It's really hilly backyard. Maybe. The road. So I had basically like a smile plastered on my face the whole time. It was super as a beautiful day. Gorgeous day. I've never gone that fast on. I was outside. It was gorgeous. It was the day of the of the funder was. Yeah. So I heard a lot about the event. But I heard about the camping. I didn't hear anything about the ride Patty, and I were talking before camping onto bourbon I heard there were some camping out. Bourbon I do like bourbon. So and you're also going to something called one day went. Yeah. Gomez is you wrote the scripted. You said it round. Right. This. You think how do you like that? How you wrote your own Jairo perfect police. I knew it's talk about exactly it's like, well, what your dream scenario. Yeah. Right. Boom. Yeah. I like set myself a goal to do a couple new mountain bike trails a year. I mean, I have my favorite old books, but I've got a friend. I ride with he works at MIT. And we're going to meet out in California and doing eight hour race together. Two hours north of San San Francisco. So this is a boy scout camp the trails are beautiful. It's a just loot. We just we're gonna take turns doing loops in drink a lot and eater. The boy scout food and swim. And have a killer time. I love California, man. Yeah. I do too. I've only ridden in southern California. I've never in northern California. So I'm looking forward to that Oregon actually organ lake it's it could be close two hours north. Yeah. Two and a half. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's. Gonna be really fun. It's also going to be my first experience in like renting a bike where I didn't end up getting a kid's bike like normally. Because of my height. I get like the twenty six inch hard tail shitty. Kids bike. I'm actually a scary chicken. Right. Exactly. But I'm actually getting a bike that like my my ibis. I get to run out. There have to do. Yep. That's yeah. The same the same bike that I right at home. So I'll be appreciative of that drive train. I'm also this year gonna do the three day hundred mile bike packing trip in the Cuomo gone. And then I'll do the Wolfman cool try one which is really hundred mile is what who's organizing that me. Oh, yeah. If you do bike packing dot com and do search for Wisconsin. It's the first thing that pops up. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. This is gonna be my year. So those are going to be my two new my to neutrals put something on the list here that caught my eye interdisciplinary, topics. Interdisciplinary? So that KiKi. Actually gomez. Kinky part in there. Because that had me, you know. That's yeah. Earlier Leah's like you're not one of those cross people who decided to mountain bike. I'm actually mountain biking person who decided to cross cross fit big tire. I have a big tire. Yep. And just roll that thing over and as a sledgehammer on it. Absolutely. But when I started doing cross it I decided to try racing and actually won the first race I ever or not want. I placed I I came in third, but still. Called it farming. Right. Yeah. Lifting shit. Tired? Hey, throwing ailing haven work that was people pay to be an Jim you can just put them on a hay wagon. Then be a hell of a day with wet. Hey, could you flip and do do a handstand and do inverted now for us? Yeah. But I have a dress on. Yeah. I coached cross-stitch at cross imperium. So because wanna come in on Monday night. That's my night. Yeah. Yeah. I would welcome all of you guys. Yeah. Oh, man. I tried crawfish once and I was sore for like five days. I never I'm competitive. So of course, when the dude is saying do this and this I'm like, okay. Okay. And ripped my legs off videos of you on Facebook, all the time and the very controlled atmosphere. Fall far over my head this weekend. Well, balanced. No problem is heavy heavy lifting. That is the issue. That's so instead of crust, it could you maybe come over to my house and move some. She can fights Turkey. You're scared. Some pots potted plants from under my backup on top of my Doug for summer for for your aunt be. If you're making drinks and feed me, no. It's it's. Needed. You hear that you have a new drinking, buddy? Got it. We always have tons of booze. Yeah. You do you don't drink. And we have a lot of would burn now. So we should we listening. Just come over Friday night, Siglo glacial Drummond, or are you going to have the party that you had last year? Yeah. We're gonna Nelson on the radio. Good big liquor plan. And we'll fight turkeys that are trying to break into your house and gnomes jobs so Lapper cons. But never leprechaun's does little people. Let's be. That's a good techies not Irish glens it now. What is it kotecki is polish Klein's is probably Welsh probably. Yeah. Are you same AS Roma's? His native of Indiana. Oh, how exotic. All right. So you're actually hang out. Yeah. Well, I think that somebody's supposed to say we'll be right back with his way for the termination code. But yeah. Oh, I will. In fact, the termination code as been outed. We'll be right back. I was so smooth with it. Were a three to one. We'll be right back with more Murphy known voodoo. What's the name of the show spin? Hey, let's take a break. So I can buddies lending Gomez up next. We have Kurt refs Neider executive director of the backbite. He's going to he's going to leave all these takes. This is like a novel. I'm gonna try. Actually. Bike pecking Ritz, a nonprofit organization and he's here to talk about the twenty seven hundred mile long, Canada and Mexico bike packing route called the wild west road. Ape? Please welcome to the show, Kurt rush. Neider take. Hi, kurt. Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. Yes to so Kurt tell us about you. You're are you the owner or the head guy? Or are you the PR guy for like packing rookies routes? I I wear a lot of hats with Mike packing one of the cofounders along with Caitlin Boyle. And I am in the executive director role for nonprofit. So we don't technically have an owner or anything like that. Just have someone like me that gets to where a lot of happen to a lot of stuff. I would've I would've worn a hat to end a tie that we were. To the executive director, tell us about what what is this story of of bike routes. Yeah. So we we launched maybe two and a half years ago as a organization to support the rapidly growing by packing community. I think you all probably seen how by tacking over the last five or six years of gone from kind of niche thing to this of huge community that a lot of people want to be part of tryout and get into and there wasn't really an organization working support that community in a big way grew. And so we saw the need and talk to a lot of folks about the potential for noggins ation that really targets developing long distance dirt roots for bike Packers both kind of dirt road, GPO oriented, and single-track oriented and also worked on that. Because he side for the and a unique access needs that like Packers have in terms of like backcountry trails, and connective and things like us me and things like that. So that's that's what we came from we launched two and a half years ago. I guess and we've got somewhere around three thousand members at this point. So we're growing federally in in advocacy group like ima is for mountain biking for four backpacking. We yeah. So we feel some of the same role that inva- does in more in the back country setting like, they don't they're mostly from country organization. They've done phenomenal things some of their work has been focused more on back country, but they're really putting an emphasis on access and developing access in kind of front country setting and like Packers really rely on the kind of back country trails and the longer distance things than connective of those through areas. And so that's something that we're trying to to really look closely at and support and work at and so we've been involved with a few different element for service vaccine issue. Over the past couple of years, and we have a good good working relationship with books that Emba how many routes do you have we have developed? Let's see four now ranging from two hundred miles to this new one at twenty seven hundred miles a couple and amid length ones in there at the Marana thousand miles or twelve hundred miles tell us more about this this twenty seven hundred mile or. Yeah, that's a big one. This is the one that we're just releasing right now called the wild west route. And it was designed to be kind of a sister of the popular great divide mountain bike group that was released she's more than a decade ago. And that's one that I don't know how many thousands of people have ridden. Now, it's been so influential in getting more people into bike packing and thinking about big trips. Right. Mike curia and Pete Bessinger that developed that right? No. They were some of the first ones to race on it. But it was a guy named Michael McCoy. And. Adventure cycling association that develop that oh cool to see. Darted? That's a really good resource. That's why why we need you organize -ation 'cause people on the radio saying around podcast saying they're wrong thing. So cool. No, it really that. The racing things is what got the great divide mountain bike route at tremendous amount of his ability. But most people that have written. It haven't been racing at all. And unfortunately for better for worse that that route wasn't really followed up with other big long distance back interest despite its success and decide how many people brought from all over the country and all over the world to ride. And so we saw the need for kind of sister for that developed a little bit farther west that also is Canada Mexico re with similar writing like mostly deep road road kinda stuff. Not a gravel route at all like leader, gravel bedroom is a mountain biker, but not not particularly technical. That's one that we really want a lot of people to be able to ride even if they're not. Single-track loving mountain bikers, and is this self supported or do you have guides that are riding with people on the cold. They've been entirely self supported. So we spent she's better part of a summer scouting different options for the route link everything together trying to get resupply options and communities and water sources all within kind of reasonable distances from one another. So that people aren't out there, you know, going for a week between food sources, but and go through little towns every day or three days or something. And this isn't this route is not a race yet. There might be a raise is not a race. On the rise. There is a there's a no cost GPS route with fifteen hundred points of interest is accurate. Yeah. Yeah. So that's basically what it is. We we put this together, and we're releasing it to the bike packing community. So there's all the way points GPS data. So people can follow it on their own that all going to be available for free argon are gonna nation. And then we've got a route guy that's digital download that's almost eighty five pages. Long talk about all the holes, you could need all the. Reather script doesn't have any pictures. So we've had we really have the visual learners in mind with how laid out I like, I'm gonna throw some more stats at eight percent dirt seventy percent public land. Four state eighteen national forests six national parks. So you obviously had assume it's easily to work with the public land as you buddy, had thirty percent, private landowners. Well, so so the step it's not technically on public land. Oftentimes are like county roads county roads things like that that are public access via. Okay. Line on either side, not writing a ranch or something like that. No, not mostly. We have worked with the UN owners one ranch in southern Colorado and a couple in Arizona for breakfast. And for more importantly for getting water in sections of the route that are really dry that don't have natural sources. And so there were some folks along the way that we're happy to open up their property to bike Packers, which is really cool to see that. Gonna plan for this. Herreid the whole thing. Yeah. Like, how many months are they taken off for this trip? Yeah. That's really hard decimate. I would say for most folks planning summer between forty and seventy miles a day seventy days a lot on this route given the the amount of allegation gain. There is on a lot of figment of it. But that would translate to something like forty to seventy five days. So like a month and a half to two and a half months something like that for a lot of folks. And I think a lot of people are going to ride sections lot like ho is spring. Your Cami gel. There's no trophy lay. You're not going. Sounds really fun though. I mean, look at this. It looks beautiful. We actually had a map in front of us. Tell us a little bit about the partnerships you developed and who is involved with because you you you didn't do all this year yourself Ticha. No, we worked with folks that live along the route in different places to get kind of just general recommendations for places to consider sending the roof. So he had a lot of on the ground beta rum from folks like that start, and then I did a lot of the recon myself two summers ago. Yeah. Through summers ago in my truck. So it was like three week of driving as many miles a day onto road and deep road as I could weave in and looking at different different places. We could send the route and trying to elect the ones that actually linked together the best and then in terms of some of the partnerships. I think the the coolest one in the one that's been the most rewarding. And I think has the like the most long-term kind of other other areas that it can grow into other projects is up on Navajo nation in northern Arizona that the the biggest native American reservation in the country, and they've got a huge. Trails initiative going on up there that they really be the value in trails for health reasons for getting people outside for getting people more active and for small economic development projects in different areas. And so I worked with them for three years. Now, I think on a few of the different projects there and the wild west route was basically brought on board as part of the the trails initiative objective. And so that that led to working with two different tribal up there and the route goes through about one hundred hundred twenty miles of Navajo nation and through their two biggest tribal parks, which is just athletes donning terrain. Stunning. Scenery up there. Yeah. That's been a really really rewarding project which segments are those in. That's in what seven so it's affectionate, basically, the the Idaho era urge sorry, the Utah Arizona border down to Grand Canyon, very cool. And how do you get through the Grand Canyon you go around Grand Canyon? Fortunately. Who wouldn't then people through Grand Canyon? I've done that with a bike on my back a couple of times. And does that doesn't it. Okay. And this that's actually the wild west route that goes around the east side of Grand Canyon. We actually developed partially in mind with like as a bypass or Arizona trail users that they can ride mostly around Grand Canyon rather than hike across it with their bike. So that part of the west actually linked up with the both on the south remand the north rim. I like it hurt for somebody who's just getting a bike packing this year. What segment would you recommend as when you right cross country for handed Mexican as your what's your what's your favorite segment, and what's the segment that you'd recommend to up family who wanted to do this or somebody who is just like wanting to do a segment? Yeah. It it depends on these in. I think and what time of year southern Arizona is really amazing. But in summer, it's not a very hospitable place to be oh into that. Like you wanted to go ride and like October November. I think the southern southern Arizona part of it from from down around the Mexican border north to like that would be a really phenomenal section to ride. I think the Idaho part of it, which somehow there's a thousand miles of the route crammed into Idaho to tell. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very strange one that there's just there's no connective because of the terrain so to get anywhere you have to wind around all over the place. I was a little rise. When I saw this route goes only through four states myself. But yeah, I see I do Montana's big Idaho's big Utah Zona. Okay. Yep. Yes. I think I'd who's going to be really popular. I think it it. Definitely rugged and might not be one for quite a first time by Packer to tackle all of it. But there's even fly in to near the eunuch border. He can fly into or fly out of hetch some Sun Valley area. So easy access yet to go view web. So what more at hostage fires in Idaho and Paul? Yes, sign me that yes. But you do get through MOAB, right or reading this for the main route doesn't go through yet. There's a alternate. That's gonna go way over to my lab in that one. We're not releasing quite yet. That'll come a little bit later. We haven't developed the resources for that that route that section yet. But I think that that loop rum MOAB west to the main stem a little bit south and then riding back to MOAB which ends up being like a four hundred mile loop or something like that. I think you're really line to go through the la- sales evening. Yeah. To the what the doesn't go through the south quite it stays below them just a little bit. But it goes to right through the mountains above Monticello, and then climbs up onto skyline drive to the west which is skyline drive. Is this incredible like hundred miles of rough dirt road on the Wasatch plateau. And so this long skinny plateau with huge views in either direction, and it's a hundred miles a dirt at like between nine and ten thousand feet in middle Utah like go right at three line for most of it. It's just it's stunning. So I think that that could be another really nice nice. Action for people's ride. That'd be a good place to bring the kids use MS bear bait. Outta wrestle. Yeah. Don't bring layup. She let you. Allegation gain for this entire ride. The total. I don't know if I remember that number offhand. It's big. I you all the statistics is that what it is onto to the right of each of the mileage for each segment. Yeah. You elevate somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand feet on the segments are generally like three centers second segment five and segment. Seven the rest are all twenty thousand plus in segment. Two is thirty thousand client. Cli- algae one hundred thousand one hundred eighty five thousand feet, so we've that was trying to avoid too much climbing her a lot of sections that like this would be amazing. But it would add like ten thousand more climbing. That's there's no winning the climbing climbing challenge in in Idaho, Montana. Nobody wins nobody wins. So get just ask. Okay. So this is your fight onc- three nonprofit organization. What's in it for you? I mean, this is word, man. It's been a huge amount of work. It started off really as purely a passion project that I love exploring. I'm a geologist by training. And I teach a little college down here in Arizona. And so just exploring the landscape of the west is something I really love doing as hand sickle. Now, you could you wouldn't see as much in as short amount of time. But no, I think it's I this is that I really felt strongly needed to be developed and wanted to see develop and also same with same with organize organization. I think it's one that is going to impact a lot of people in a really positive way. And it, you know, it's just something that takes a lotta time to make grow. So most most everything that by packing has done. So far has been all into your base? The exception is I've been getting a little tiny bit of money. The last couple of years that doesn't come anywhere close to compensating their time cover well in your costs. Like, you said you drove with your truck you need fuel costs time costs to camp. But when you're that. Yeah. And some of the some of those expenses were covered we've got from our membership. We've got a lot of donors that that are really generous. And we've got a small number of business partners. Also, cycled revelead signs actually were we're crucial in. Fun the defenses that are covered expenses at a cost to regulate. Okay. Late makes sense. I was trying to think why would be involved, but obviously with the. There's usually packing. They have had their hugely invested in supporting the biking community and getting more women out by packing and getting kids out by packing. So they've yeah. They've they've contributed financially to just really cool projects over the last few years, and what's the website that people can find more information on day? You should go to bike packing. Roots dot org are OT at. All right. We'll have that in the show notes and anyone else that you wanna thank or or any wanna share about about the ruse. There's so many people that have been involved with with all of their hard to name name all of them in a short time. But Caitlin Boyle has been hugely instrumental in the Gabriel Amadeus pillar. Some people will know that name from the Oregon trail. Remember mental? This remember ever here. And who help our our board of directors has been than hugely helpful in in moving Orgainzation forward and giving us the capacity to do things like that. So there's there's ten folks on on our board of directors right now all of them, they're huge on a credit to rias based out of. My house. Elsewhere or anything like that? We're I'm I'm down in Arizona. So I don't know where they are. Let's say. Theodore to Chandler Tempe is pan. The whiskey fifties. Yeah. Yeah. With fifty is just down downhill from my house. It's press gets like kind of between Phoenix and flagstaff but a little farther west and pets fifty five hundred elevations. We're in the pines Reiner, Brian mater and Chloe Woodruff, and yeah, there's there's a bunch of me transplant down here. Yeah. Oh, beautiful. There. It looks like it looks like the pond Arosa in the show, but Anza. Right. Any drunk cyclist, dude? Because they're my buddies none of them here. But there's a whole bunch of them down in the valley that come up here. Every once in a while and down. Yeah. They're down Tempe. Yep. All right, Kurt will. Hey, thank you so much for coming in and sharing the new wild west with us, really it that I'm excited to check it out on your website for sure awesome. Cool. Everything will be up on there and released on Monday the thirteenth of may. So it'll be it'll. So this isn't a canon till the thirteenth may oh you can't release this and oh shit. We're live. We should've told you. Oh, the wait till the thirteenth put this up. If you read the embargo, I read the notes, no if you want to. I was thinking Friday, which is only. Yeah. No never released anything. Listen to this show. Anyway to listeners will be like damn pagoda. When the next time you see they'll be like a bunch of littering stuff on your. TV our cans spinner. Hey, where are you from really we've talked about your Minnesota roots where you from early really quick. Yeah. Coon rapid Coon Rapids area. Okay. Lee area. If you know where that is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I lived in Madison for two years when I was in grad school or. Yeah. It was a fantastic get really drunk. Do you? Remember any of it? Remember, most of it is little little thought at ably. Yeah. I forget every trip. All right. Thank you for being on our radio show. Yeah. Thanks for the invite. Really? Appreciate it. No problem. I see a have a great evening everyone. And I. I was Kurt raft Niner. He's the executive director of bike pecking routes. He's we went all public radio voice on there. So now, we have show wrap up. And now we have like now you now have you can join no we can go in the in the closing question. But first we have to talk about Leia's Olaya travels the country in Winston races every fucking state. There is say, okay. Let me do that those. How does it? How does it? How does it go Lewin's Tennessee Asian? I just wanted to send Garda race to race. My that was funny. So that was. The mount hor brace, and she sent me that picture, and it was like, you can't quit if you don't start. And it was kind of motivation that works for me. I was like fuck you. Fuck you hung on that. Fussell? Becky, I really enjoyed following that Astor. You're welcome. Yeah. And it's the show wrap up sex. My ex-girlfriend over here. Facebook covet. No, no dated. I didn't even know about it. So all right. So lay travels the country and just wins races on vacation, the other the other week sounds relaxing. It was their Madison was calling for snow, and I said how now. Sees V and just drove down to Tennessee, which was phenomenal. There's a country song in here somewhere. Anywhere. And there's a lot of gravel that climbed a lotta hills. And this really hurt you. I got you tricked. You know, your bitching about high school girls, my girlfriend? She's like, yeah. This race is like one of my favorites. I should've known cause she's a Rhody, and she's like, yeah. It's all single track with a section of gravel and then you'll get back on the single track. And I'm there's like ten miles a single track at the beginning to. You know, make you feel like this is going to be good. What's total sixty five miles, and it was ten thousand feet of climbing. Just the tip. Yes. So I get on the gravel and I'm climbing for like four miles at a time. And then also realized as the miles are going by there's no single track. Cubbon there's like there's no second single track. Like, I'm never gonna get back in there. And you just spend the big whiskeys. No, it was the big frogs sixty five so as the smaller portion of the was the coda one hundred in the national alter endurance series. So are you do you have your professional bike racing license now? No, no. It wasn't a now that don't get those. You don't have to do for. Yeah. The same series at the Marquis guests is in that hang for the hundred dollar. Now, you did you win the top level the elite and and that distance for the sixty five. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I can't imagine doing a hundred miles of that though on a whim because down one up big ass race this Margie Jessica category. Your dick. And then she came back and won on the worse opener. Yeah. So there's some top and left somewhere in there. Guess but then didn't post the podium shod. Because you didn't think she looked nice? Oh, sorry. I looked like elephant. You didn't do your hair that day? Hey, come on your look like your ex girlfriend. Give me some. I remember now tell you. She would fight you God, how do you know that? Now this nice. With your girlfriend. As nice she would kill me in all of us. Oh, we all made the frigate list. Your list? Remember, I stuck up for you. I'll be the last one. No, no, I feel bad anyways. What about who's got the fun d'oro recap? That'd be spinner ni-. Yes. The fun guys. There was beer, and there was fun there. Yeah. Right in line with the show, topics. Okay. So yeah, we shift gears, and we can go into beautiful port Washington Wisconsin last Sunday at by the band shell. And if you've never ridden the beach, which assume you have not ever in the beach in manitowoc, oh, this up the reveal George by day or just place. Okay. George's thinker. No. But the same beach. Same. It's still at edible. Yeah. No. Yeah. The weather was great. I got there late beat. All right. I know. I don't nobody. Nobody here. The way. Talking race doesn't ride. The beats you're on everybody does a beach any pick up your cans, packing, any pack it out that was the most important part because we drink beer that day and Gomez bottle the beer. So thank you for that. I did enjoy shit on that. I don't think you participated in any drinking, but you paid for a lot of other players. It was not pan. We also had a beer sponsor, the spreaker expected go naked ten cases. So that's like new forty beers right there. Yeah. But this event was cool because it was like a citywide party, and but there was like a central hub. So you could ride north on a beach and tons of people partying Ryden, you can ride southbound beach when people are partying in writing. But we always come back to the middle where there's a couple of bands PetSmart, Jay come down. Right. You know, who that is? No, neither do I ten motorcyles champion. So we had we had a ride aband-. Trials demonstration a ride and another band and tons derby. I perfect day took hut. Spinner no way. Oh, bad seven in a row. You know? Remember, I got beat by Pat smile. Jan we know that you think. Oh, hey there, you know. So if you actually read the website, you'll see that Kelsey Walsh one derby champion. Yes. She did go girl. He is gonna be because that was the round. Here's the here. Here was the kicker 'cause we had and then there was beer and handling. Everybody goes beat bag girl. To he heard that singer early. Let's hear it might months later. Don't talk about my fantasies on here. But anyways. No. So pass my beat me on a unicycle. And I have when I e so getting your mountain bike stance. They're they're doing it right here. So what I liked pictures? Okay. Do you play by play? So you're riding your bike. I like to come around hind and like to get right here. And I like older, and then I know hands on the bars. My piles your hands your Bice. And then I go this. Oh, shove your wheel to decide. And then I go around I hit people most people in the derby lifted just ride a little slow. I try to hit pass Janice unicycle, but he didn't he was holding like this. He doesn't have and jumped two feet and hit him. Again, he jumped two feet, and then he he went backwards on the unicycle like four turns in a pure wet. And that was that was like Ali shuffle was like, boom. I'm getting tired. And then he did a handstand. He did a he jumped on the stage jumped off the save you set up some ramps and his wife is actually commentating as he was doing tricks and a guy. My jack's. Yeah. Mike Jikei living Jack quiz how Jay Lin and he went so he's laying on the ground and Pat road up that are front. Huili rightness crotch just sat there and start a bouncing and pets in here. Mike sent here like this impetuous bouncing right here. And then he did another one we orange his mouth and he knocked orange out with this tire. Yeah. I wish we were on Facebook live right now. No sorry. I know he's jumping up and down. My hands. When when he was talking about the derby. He almost jumped out of his chair like he almost was derby. But I got a unicycle. You're pretty wasn't even his unicycle. He borrowed a unicycle and beat me in derby. And we should probably say that's a surly conundrum was yes, thank you Patrick for bringing that. Anyways. So we have a couple of other funny events planned that by is not invited to what you could come would have fun at that. We would know tranquilize you. Give laya one drink, and she's a lot of fun. But getting who are Heaney's? Really fun climate rafters and thrown pillows. So we have we have a bike rodeo coming up July twenty eighth at silver lake. And I think that I want to spend my dream since that Tyke trail was built there to run strider races there. So if you have a little kid that has a straighter bike he can win like a really cool plastic metal. That's a fun course. Strider course, the silver, lake course. Yeah. Oh, yes. Overlake school, and you're gonna do another funder because of a so cool you're going to write this is all vision. This is a fall version that's going to be a masquerade party at a hotel and convention center in Zion, right on the beach, and we have the ballroom we have special room rate, which is going to be super cheap. So it's it's kind of a kind of a huge party be. We're thinking of doing honestly like like a fashion show a winter fashion show there and not just for people what to wear but for your bike. So will roll out of an ice cream truck with all the revelaed bags on it. And I think they'll be cool. And what time does this event start at the one in in October. We don't have a date. You know, I'm talking about the bike rodeo when I was going to be one on October the evect over nineteen actually this is your notes. Yeah. I know looking at it, right know. Sucked over nineteenth said he you said, we don't have a date. Oh, oh, we don't have time for the act over say the bike rodeo on July. Twenty eighth starts at noon. That started thing said nude that's high noon. Yeah. Wasn't. And that's I just to say. Graduation Gomez for the funder that was your baby. And it was amazing. I heard it was chased her. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. There there were there's vendors. There is beer there. Brought music there was riding. It was lady name any any oatmeal bought her first fat by there and wrote her first fat by there, and just you know, it was like a flashback to to like five years ago. And everybody was having that experience of riding bike for the first time, and all the beach is a perfect. I mean, if you're not gonna rent in snow, the beach is a great place to do it. Did you go out with her to Danny? Oh, I know her actually. Yeah. She's she's. Win the no she she she bought the white pug that we did a video contest with my is. But she paid. No, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Long story. But but she bought it from from the owner. Kerr often thought that she made a joke. She was she was starting to selfishness trying to get a finger. So we're going to end the show with a closing question. And this shows going to air on Friday morning, say ten AM gonna bust embargo where he said it was all right? Okay. Did I am like, you know? Jamie. I am the gnome slayer, and you are the embargo slayer. So we have a closing question. And that question is when the show airs I'll be in Leone Wisconsin, getting ready to do the bare one hundred no way. Doodo suit. I thought you're going to be tied. No, that's again. Oh shit. We are answer is the same. Coming up coming up. So what I going to be? I am going to be in a bar working with the local snowmobile club about a trail access discrepancy that we have. Oh, yeah. Take care of that. Well, and it's wrestle on. Right to the ground. They know me. So no, we have a. Problem with snowmobile trails when snowmobile trails are closed snowmobile riders. And we were told in past that it's okay for fat bikers. But we have some landowners that are complaining about bicycles being on closed snowmobile trails. So I will be drinking in Platte Ville talking to the president of the platform. Drip busters. Not a snowmobile club about more. I can't spin out. Obviously usually come in like say, yeah, he can't spin out. So we're not tearing up. We're not tearing up farmland a when the trails are closed. So I'm gonna be working on trail access Friday. Are you wearing a suit and tie? No, I really be drinking beer and probably be drinking PBR. And if I brought PBR probably would not go. Well, so probably gonna drink like a Bush late or some nice fit. His learn a little bit right now how much convincing that you're. Doing a bunch of women's? Can you tell them what you're drinking tonight? I bought that for you ciders. And I saw a like. Oh, Leyla love this. I'm turned forty. And I lose my eyesight. You guys have you turned blurry. Oh, but I had at the birthday party my on my back tag for the wars race. I had the forty to forty nine year olds up categories bags. They make you wear. Make you wear your age category on your back. Yeah. Man. Surprised when you say your age, including you, I'm waiting another. Swear do any racing if I'm gonna be in the same category. Be in the fifties. Right telling you everything's getting blurry Gomez old. Are you? I'm gonna turn sixty this year is going to be, you know, the festival of gnomes and Gomez, and you know, and plus this is my fifty ninth comeback because I am I'm racing the baby bear that three one hundred thirty one mile race. What did y'all did that last year? Is that Gregory's? It's okay. Yeah. You're fat. Like, no. I'm writing the the framed Marquette twenty drought mar twenty nine or with that life fork that I've been testing it's kinda like the tests culmination of into sharing trading, dude. I actually been keeping track of my mileage and stuff. I do wanna do you? Look like you off last weight. You look, I I know I'm still. Yeah. We look good today. Yeah. There you go. It works. I've been. You know, you to you know, you think we have a guest. So we have today to thanks. I usually see her mouth close. I don't see here in business. People close really. Hey, how you doing so Patty? Yeah. Are can you confirm or deny where you will be Friday morning. When this airs, I will be fabulous. They fees. That's my nickname fatty fabulous. Graham, they're large show. This evening has been brought to you by RSD bikes. Check out the new sergeant or get read with your own rebellious middle child at RSD, bikes dot com. Check us out on Instagram at fat bike dot com till then sweet dreams bitches. And this is where we. Yeah. We know better. We talked to the it doesn't matter. Patty. Would you like to talk to you? Gov is explained that that do in. It's now it's. Licks to puss. You say it's an. I I don't know. And you're like is it going to bite you scared of it? Did you see your flex? We'll be right back with more Murphy, no mood. You do it again. Smoothie smirke. I have Smurfs those little blue. We'll be right back with more. Smurfs known, boo. Let's the name in the show spinner the dose effect, not occasional get it. When you get it next. We have Kurt. Schneider. Packing routes and nonprofit organization called this shit show. Oh, all right. Okay. Take it in clean air. And it's going to be spinner saying we'll be right back in three two. We'll be right back with more Murphy gnome, boo. What's the name of the show spinner? Let's take a break. So I can mighty slim up next. We have Kurt. Rush, Nate Schneider. I mean, Li that's how you know. He's German like me really mean didn't he is the executive director of the backpacking routes nonprofit organization and he's here to talk about and new while twenty seven hundred mile long Canada, Mexico bike packing route called the wild west route. And you make fun of my reading did, you know, you look really good today. Did I tell you yet? Let's take it in three two one. How did I do? That idea. Sweaty is on there. Dude. That's pretty awesome. That's all going on the show.

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Nightwing #16

Capes and Lunatics

37:54 min | 2 months ago

Nightwing #16

"This episode of cape semantics brought to you by tweaked audio get awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping in a lifetime warranty where he can get there through the link on our website. Southgate media group dotcom kookaburra. Can you're listening lunatics. podcast added. Diggity day well kill back to a week of the nightly news. I bill joy christie career numbers six point nine ninety eight this very fun to twenty three years ago can legally drink. Hopefully dr. this was one of my picks you know not a lot of emotional stops of kristen was like why don't we do in this one like that. Just like reading an issue because the car you know. Sometimes a here is just kind of hear how this is true. This is true on kidding. Stay tuned at the end. Everyone for those of you who listen to other shows. We have raised feedback rates finest feedback from down under. That's right. that was just a really nice package. What yeah i mean. Of course it's a you know once again chuck. Dixon scott mcdaniel production. That's cool there on a long time. That's a pretty cool cover into it. Is hawaii stand on the hood of his car but ota sitting behind the hood of his car quite tell where the car and the night wing begins. But i think might be standing right next to it. Oh that's true all these years but like to like the chest symbol like on the front of the car. Yeah although i don't think the car in the now. I actually had that. Maybe they maybe they hadn't settled on final design. Although does not always have anything to do with the the world finest is covers from the forties and fifties. They would be like batman. Superman arrived doing whatever and then the story would completely unrelated so true. All right. so yes this one titled wheels. I'm wondering what get opens up with dick attempting to stop a these a hot a truck truck harsh. They're stealing the dvd's i guess. Oh oh yeah. Because i think they steal the tv's and then they try to sell them themselves right. Yeah yeah and he is worried about it. 'cause they've been hurting drivers because honestly pardon me kind of feels like i dunno stealing. Tv's is really the best use of your vigilant time. But they are putting truck drivers in the hospital. Then yeah hurting the drivers plus you'll know plus you're not going to let you don't know what they're gonna do that. Money worth is what haven one of their bind guns or something mattru all. that's personal. Look the first paycheck. Kirk hit him with a crowbar. Are multi used tools. Guess though it is in dc universe. That's true so he is taking taking them down within the truck mixes sharp turn and he goes flying meals lying and he hit somebody's car. That was parked near the core illegally. Parked in a corner blesses little scott lau heart and luckily there's some snow so priming some a little softer landing right january and that's it i'm getting myself a car This is the funny part. yes he gets. The next day goes to the bank to see how much is in that Account yeah although. His jacket is funny. Nhl hockey league was supposed to be like blunt wailers. I think but. I mean it's also like why are you not by marx's boise brands anyway yeah so he. That's yeah. that was a couple issues ago. Withdrew wasn't the we read. Or just bruce come back in different issue. No he came in he. It was it was it was like we're like three partners. It was the ones right before this one we read. Okay yeah lake. Oh don't tell us how much it is. That's a good plan but we can talk a lot. 'cause obviously well he runs. He runs into his landlord. Doesn't own the building didn't now julia morvillo laughed. All the way to the bank looked at guide. The bank doesn't really care. He's like yeah he realizes super-rich e o now care look in the corporate america. Let glad i mean. I guess it's supposed to run down bank or something like that class between him and the tellers bullet hole so yeah look at the back end to cobwebs on bag the bank. Oh you're like are like one of the only legitimate customers legitimate expert said one of the only ones Own them we course. Get dudley soames. Who had his head turned around by blockbuster. Getting fence that he's not going to deal with it. Well oh no well he. He doesn't even realize until you now was a neck injury. We blockbuster screaming once he realizes his heads backwards so then now setting about with his car but he doesn't have a big house with a huge game underneath it fun spot so he buys an old car dealership and he just pays The last new car dealership to fail in blood haven. Yep so at home with all these magazines dudas research. i guess. Yeah i as one says st illegal max. power horsepower. Body were junkyard dogs. I don't know if any i don't know anything about car. So i don't know if those any of those are like takeoffs of real core magazines yum not sure but but that real estate guy who like you know he's like we're gonna be opening a business in dixie. It's like. I'm going to pay for the whole wheat the first year in advance. I like is this a real estate guys like it's another tuesday employed haven another illegal chop shops getting into upper. Hey the guy's real saying he is. John is just thinking up. I love my bike. There's times you just need a car. Yeah no it's true and this guy. True warmer warmer so anyway. He's working on the car and this is good. We showed that he has mad car skills. It's always nice when they show them the so there's still I don't have these skills dog like. He's doing car stuff because he's thinking. Yeah as Batmobile we start on the outside the actually said he's he's locked twenty miles outside the city. So yeah he's putting in like the souped up engine and everything but then he's like now. Andy protective coloring. So yeah then we see about the junk yard in the skies to get the buy an atv underneath so it seems like it has a different suspension than you would on a regular car so that way it might it might. It might need it bigger suspension too. Because you know just going to be armored and stuff yeah right. Yeah yeah yes. He goes goatee and sunglasses. In the middle of now dresses up areas about this garp in everything is picking out a couple of different bodies you know so he could switch them every time like a truck cab a taxi this minute none your business business business business just handled such a central even paying just a package of like fifties. Oh yeah that's why. I did kind of now. We're coming to the reason that i was of met on this issue. I must admit i do. I mean. I don't think i was supposed to but not like ted. He's so annoying. i am. I could've done without him. Being introduced as a as a supporting character gets shot right. I mean i know. He served a point that it takes more to be of digital demon. Well i mean to be a good day you have to be. A good person is not really just kind of ood. One of the. I mean the kind of person that becomes a serial killer in law and order or criminal minds or whatever where it's sort of avenging person bed like the bad. They should be killed. he's not. I'm trying to remember his origin too. I think they are. I think it was something like you know. He was basically in an orphanage. From the time. I think in remember you never had parents and he never really had anybody. So it's like it's basically. It's what jason todd might have been had batman law taking him in yala also was a victim of a crime or something or even. So i mean it's a that's interesting with jason but dad. Also he doesn't even jason as more nuance worldview than ted. Yeah like you do bad things. You should die jason. So mean even though he doesn't emulate a lot of it. I mean they'll see still sent spent some time with bruce and again. I don't know if town has like the highest i. You can't even spell the word night right trying to be hit. Well whatever though a knockabout ten yes looked on the barbara. Yes it the motorhead own. Yes i if it's motorhead. I was like the ban Well yeah she's like yeah you you know you're looking for the boy wonder he says he's out of the country right now so Like i thought you could steer me to the infant needed on the web. And she goes last. I checked batman and alfred. We're good with cars. I don't want to go running to him for advice every ten minutes. Yes it's with you guys. You have to make everything so difficult time through one thing i mean they do not allow with robin. I don't know it's kind of a robin thing. Maybe into dude thing. I feel like it's partially a guy thing that you're socialized not to ask for. Hello i mean. I think too. It's another thing it's like. It's almost like a father son thing but it's like bruce's never been the biggest like the show praise or you know he'll say stuff just in his cold ways auto fix just like you know even though he he may know bruce's proud of him. I don't think he believes in half you know what's like part him doesn't never believes it right. Why there's always issue omer getting fired. And then i like to interpret that. Bruce became a bit darker after jason died. How i kind of is like oh this is one way to kind of mesh. I mean there's so many different jurisdictions of batman but why would help explain how he was so nice before about well. I mean really. Before about crisis i mean the win. He did had their issues With stick earth becoming night weighing in new titans. That was just more of your like growing pains kind of thing. But then after everything got darker. Abc than it had to be for in Where even in the eighties firing him. Of course you know what's way intense by nineteen year one where you're like the head doesn't even make sense. But the they made him talker after crisis on infinite but especially after jason died. It was just your way. But i also feel like maybe this is a little bit In this issue. See so i did. I also think maybe isn't just a little bit trying to have an excuse to talk to barbara not that hard to find cars on the internet. It's not like he needs top secret. I mean it's not zoo. Not ask him like. Hey can you hack into the word website. So i can seen in mustang plan. I think he just wanted to talk to. Yeah think he'd rather talk to barbara. You know than the guys. Yeah like rage. Just he's still braids. Just call me like halos chad. So he has to call me like hey. Can you tell me anything about cars. And he's like what you're so good at the internet. You're so good at the typing of the keys. And you know it's like you know what you need to similar type it into the search bar. I dunno get google yet. I've been ended. Yes she's like he does an equal over it. He's like he was down here in the blood. Hate just down here in blood haven last issue. He's concerned about you. Though it would kill him to say it. I mean also grew just like kills you to ask for help. It's like things are okay miss right now linda shadow. I don't forget how he reacted the first time. I showed up in cape in booth definitely right on that front but it's also a different a different shadow. I think it's more it's more. I mean the shadow. The shadow of batman is more chance for the for the former owner robin. Because the one thing she saying you were invited into the club. I joined over. Disapproval is true. There's a certain rita bet comes with an and barbara's relationship with bruce has always been less fraud because it doesn't have that dad and batman aspect. She has a good dad that you can go. Does you can go home to. But i don't know that colors like bruce's view her also because it is like his friend's daughter and stuff so it's like you know in right in a way. He might not be as hard on her but he might be extra protective right. But i think it is in terms of the shadow that the kids who himself is operating on. I think it was a little bit. There's more i think barbara's barbecue distance her barking. Distance yourself from bruce a little bit more easily than than the rods camp like in his early years. Tim good distance himself from a little bit more because he added is dead. You know over time became instead anyway. Then there's planting the seed at the end. We had some good times. Maybe we could again. Yeah and then. They're both lost staring longingly at the computer screen and said hey i wanted to call you are was just a smokescreen. Yeah because she's you know she's like oh maybe once upon a time looking at that chair and he's like you know that doesn't matter but don't get don't get too excited kids because it's gonna take like twenty so more issues before they even make any moves in the direction of having a relationship right. Isn't it like it. Maybe longer than that kiss in the like one of the issues. But do they start dating right after that. Or it's gonna take like an earthquake. So i don't think dave the kiss until like towards the end the no man's land so yeah yeah so hunters miniseries takes place before that slow movement. So yeah he's got. He's walking home. And i love his rent clancy and she's like shake filthy working at a bar now. I'm helping a guy with his car. Your bart discard. Help me carry this bloody great big box One of those t. Tv's are selling them off the truck over the gas station we can. You can't tell me she don't know that stolen. I mean it's off the back of a truck. There's the corner of the boxes dented. It's like come on midnight. Or maybe the color scheme. Eugene color televisions are i. Don't we have more john law stuff. Yeah boy when he was. He was the vigilante tarantula. The original for angela took down to break your back of your mind readers and now finally car makes its debut because the guy after guy. They're done so on the. Tv's they take off the truck and yet dick's fallen them. I'll give them three blockhead starch to make this more sporting right there we go the car. The car looks just like a regular old car. I guess a could eventually look like the car on the cover because he does have all these different bodies so he can't change swap them out. I guess right but award. Look at on that splash pages. All the bats flying over the only so many bands in gossiping blood. David normally do not act like this is one of those devices where it's like a calls the bats would ever about with or something. He bats and release them when they need to watch. Did you watch batman begins. He has that they had that thing in his boot word. Like call called the bats. Some kind of sonic thing. Batman had that your. You're one two. Yeah but yeah aluminum alloy mclaren engine at six forty horseys zero zero to sixty in five hundred miles an hour. Four seconds after that that that is. Ib puts the puts the pedal donny's hitting one hundred miles an hour in ten seconds. Yeah i would say so dangerous all right then. The guys in the notice went noticed all the bands in the we are the side. Only see. america's could be trouble must be some hawk cop. Cars fancy in absolved impacts so no ricochet into pedestrians. Not smart really put on saw into that. Car chases bore me. They're not that exciting so then he goes out those little spiky. The added just gives tire all the tires. Yeah luckily get out there. Just like a look. Another guy with bruce. wayne junkin. your was it like three or four of them but yeah like they're gonna look he's going to break a sweat all wrapped up these meat heads or no master criminal masterminds still feels good to pay them back for my road rash. Maybe it's more than that. Maybe things are going my way and blood. Watch ed's as long as nothing weird happens. Well you know you say things like that. Something weird is going to happen. I don't they wear any have any because he's like spill. While he's like blockbusters out of the picture in soames history he's like no nothing. Weird happens as we see. Man bat swooping down from the top of a bridge which will get you next week kids. Also he's wrong. Blockbuster is not as a picture and neither does. Maybe i wore as far as or now live. Think he. I don't think he knows survive. So he thinks is dead and blockbuster maybe he thinks he even strong might have to recover a little bit from getting a house. Dropped on them right. Yeah i mean is gone for a little bit but so yes next. Week two parter. We're gonna go right right. The next issues seventeen eighteen with man bat and added bonus death stroke. Yes her sweets. So see you sound see i can you know. I didn't give you any decrease in issue and you're gonna enjoy you know you're gonna find something yes but same c- c- even with thick even with something like this. You're gonna get the feels somehow when you're looking for bills. You always find them. I guess so but ana reader that looks for the bills. Yeah but looking for but like to told one in the film some gaps. Because i really liked this chuck dixon era so i know that the car did not get it. Card is not last that long. i don't think does it It's often on in i. What in around forty something. Maybe gets blown up. So yeah that's one of the things that is interesting About a lot of the other heroes. I mean the batmobiles so famous Damning although this week what most. I mean all the others. They operate on a much more of a budget. I guess at this point. Dick has some money but they never was home right right. Well and what. Even i mean. Even as he says it's not necessarily just about the money. You have double spot to put that car through. You can't have energy says it has to blended you can't have a batmobile kind of car if you don't have a location that's as secure like Like you know like brute light. Bruce says what was just thinking tools. I couldn't he buys some fancy corn and modify it. But i guess no even that's going to be conspicuously enough. You come rolling up a lamborghini know if nothing else all the car thieves and they've heard like look at that right now. We'll ask why he has to look orene on outside. It looks fancy on the cover. Yeah and i don't know where he was getting. The i dunno some parts laughed at old used car dealership. That's got some of the stuff. But i mean he had to go to the joke our to buy that out the outside part but the body's yeah i mean i mean yeah. Maybe that's why part of the reason he bought that car dealership twos the spare parts. The author needs there. Although i was on a little surprise that when disguised to get the the car but he didn't go disguise to get the dealership. Yeah at the gym on the skies. There do yeah. That is weird. Yeah that's what i was thinking. He went the junk yard in the skies but yeah when he was like i and i don't know i mean maybe he signed. I'm probably ended up giving the guy cash or something so it's not necessarily worse reasonable not as the dick other. That's a weird thing that comics the comics play with. I mean sure any robbins. Be as recognizable as bruce. Wayne i feel like it comes and goes if they want to. They wanted to be recognizable. Oh suddenly like in that one episode one episode of that one issue when batman. Somebody says who doesn't recognize own parents help or something but most of the time. I think they don't want them to be recognizable so they just miraculously aren't and i just wonder if maybe when even if he wasn't in the skies when he was buying that car dealership if he bonded under assumed name or something or like. I said you just pay the rent in cash. Like the whole year's rent in cash. But i thought you would think it's blood haven there corrupt but don't you think he'd have to sign something at least for tax purposes or something. Maybe i don't know exciting stuff kids taxes while you're not buying it though he's renting it so that so that might be different anyway there we go he dada car and it's a fancy car but it doesn't look fancy exactly blend in. I wonder how far away that is from his apartment out. It's going to be somewhat in the city casino. He made a big deal about is you know can't be a cave twenty miles outside the city. Sound thinking it's going to be somewhere. I don't think dick has like dick doesn't have a car has a car. But i don't think dick as a couple blah you know i mean again. Don't go too much into it. Though because of course it makes sense. You know batman yelp anywhere. He's got the car and the car is a big part of its niche. But yeah i mean most of the robins like you must spend most of your time chest. Yeah i mean that's the reason they're so bit been all night just walking around. I guess to caro high do because even on a motorcycle people soon come in. But it's like you can tint those windows no one's gonna know who's the car right and in th another benefit of having your carbon normal looking is you can go round. I mean he's not gonna sneak up on anybody union star and plus. It's bulletproof in all right. So there we go now. He has a car for a while. That's right all right. So do you want to hear what ray had to say about this. All right let's hear newbie through the here newbie ray heads. Aa 'cause he's wing get A new wing fan here. So yes those of you. Who don't know maybe listen the nightly news. This is our friend rain from australia. Who's the such podcast as a last son's crypt on a superman podcasts. To know her is to fear. Spiderwoman podcast He talks with me and macarena. The last tuesday of every month fucking things scarlet spider. And but of course. I'm sure you know him from if nowhere else into the night knight podcast. So yes long as good as batman but yes but moonlight are. Did you have to say hello and kristen. This is ri- i thought i'd just dropping some thoughts Every now and again a lot to dabble and try to understand and get into more night wing. So i thought this raid nine to win wing sixteen and overall I enjoyed it. I think it was really cool. It was a nice little compact story. Had dick basically we say him wanting to get a working on it Sorry i just liked it. I liked how would opened with with him. August trying to foil those crooks and discovering that he needs a bit of motor transport other than a bike Sorry yeah those good they were some of the think there was some other threads day that Were obviously continuing from propose cannon. I guess if you if you bit more by what i found interesting was there seem to be some sort of chemistry between himself end in oracle. There's a longing there and unelected the art kind of Portrayed that with with the kind of longing looks with silent panels. The end was pretty good. I mean i do like a little bit of man. Bats are remember him from the ninety s. Just you know not little rift on on away will or anything. The jekyll mr hyde. United all that sort. Thanks those fantasy him at the end. Yeah like i said they continuing threats. I'm not too sure on was detected sons. I think end ended. It was another nine. I can't recall it now. Overwatch or something yes. That didn't impinge too much on a mind kind of ran with that but not really enjoyed. It was pretty cool And like i said. I should really try and get more into not wing anyway. I'll leave it at that looking to what you think of this issue. Yeah i certainly enjoyed. That was good as well. Catch a lotta rain on if you notice those written by chuck dixon who wrote some of those. Early mark spector moonlight issues in the late. Eighties early nineties. Connecting while isn't roller stuff especially half of these eve. Seems like at this point. Yes oh and i found it when i was looking at the new app women when something like this happened before with the cane so i i think the thing i was thinking. Was that story that crossover. The junk dixon author wrote with green arrow. That was running those monkeys. Yeah that's what i was thinking of. We almost yeah. We almost did that this year. Yes yes okay. Yeah that's that so at least it was fast. We're gonna get there sometime. We're gonna get there someday. Kids okay so many out there who we can maybe do. Crossover with wilson is batman podcasts. Yeah 'cause there's at least a detective comics in there. Somewhere in a robin wanted to green arrows their own. Yeah so relied a car. And yes even. If you don't know anything about digging babs though silent panels like yeah somethin'. That sense something up for later got a. They like to play the long game in the modern comics. Yes i mean especially when a guy's on book for a couple years like chuck dixon was. Yeah i mean sometimes playing the long game like it so long also. Sometimes it makes sense 'cause sometimes whenever there are random like oh girl crash on dig or robin or dig around and has a crush on a girl in the forties fifties. They wrap it all up in one store absolutely ridiculous. Yeah way too fast. Like a pop culture trope. It's just like a will they won't you. Yes while yeah yeah. That's true all right. 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15 Top Scientists' Predictions for 2021

In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt

34:20 min | 3 months ago

15 Top Scientists' Predictions for 2021

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Vaccinations their meeting people where they are making health care more accessible affordable and simply better learn more at cvs dot com. Hi this is david. Aga's name is caitlin rivers high on demoss boy. Hi my name. Is megan miami or this is bill joy. Hi this is not padilla uses eric. Topol hi this is. Dr farzad most ashaari. Hi this is dr. Lena win and i'm happy to be joining anti again on in the bubble. Welcome in the bubble. It's twenty twenty one and decided we are going to answer. The question that i think is the most everybody's minds today. Which is what is in store for us in twenty twenty one and you just heard from a number of the scientists that are going to be telling us what is going to be happening in twenty twenty one because on your behalf i went out and asked the fifteen scientists in the country who are most closely following this pandemic and they some of them. Are that very question. But first how are you. I hope everybody had a good new year. What a year. What a year. He made it. We made it. I'm sure that you had a lot of changes in store for you and your family. I'm sure not all of them. Were good ones. But we persevered. And i think we need to in recognition of all the people who we know didn't make it through two thousand twenty too many of those people Lost in this pandemic we gotta pledge twenty twenty one better and i know that each of us are going to do everything we can for ourselves and our families and our neighbors and i got to just a great sense after our twenty five episode. Which if you haven't heard you you should go back and listen to because it was just really great. Just the kind of people who listen to this podcast A lot of you made nice notes on twitter or on apple or other things and congratulated us because we guy named some best shows of the year lists which Those come with lots of money or rolling in zero dollars money from those awards but it was very nice and i took it as a vote of confidence from you guys and then i just say i was very touched by all of the knights comments year end. Thanks teach good feelings. And you know i know. There's a lot of plenty of bad feelings. Going around. And i feel really just positive about the show about all of you and about a year ahead that i think is going to be challenging but brighter. But it's gonna be brighter so on this show. We decided to do was we asked fifteen of the scientists. We respect the most to tell us what we have in store. And those include scientists. Like eric topol. Anthony fauci and thomas play. Oh he's the guy who created the hammer and the dance. He told us. I think he correctly predicted the theme for twenty twenty so we asked him for the theme for twenty twenty. One larry brilliant naked dalia. john reiner. David ingles be. It's a bunch of names it you know. And they're going to help. Guide us into what to expect in the coming year. Let me tell you the ground. We covered We're going to talk to these folks here with have to say in three major areas. The first is i want them to put in their own words What twenty twenty. One is going to be like second everyone i asked to predict. At what point in time. Will it be safe for all of us to be gathering indoors again and very interesting answers that you'll you'll hear and i'll give you a summary of that and then finally been close. I asked him each to give us advice on. What the most important thing that we could be doing We as individuals we as a country And we'll close with those. And i think we'll find them hopefully very helpful. So what will twenty twenty one be like. Tell us please. This is eric. Topol from scripts research my prediction for twenty twenty one. It will come in like a lion and go out like a lamb from hellish to pre pandemic. Ish name is caitlin rivers and i am an epidemiologist. I think. twenty twenty one. We'll start off in a low note. We are in a particularly difficult place in our pandemic with very high cases hospitalizations and deaths. And i do think that will follow us into the beginning of the new year but i'm hopeful that as we move into spring and certainly into summer things will improve month over month. We have a vaccine two vaccines in fact that are beginning to be rolled out which will certainly help and i think we will regain control and able to resume some sense of normalcy as the year wears on and so i am hopeful that twenty twenty one will look better than twenty twenty has. Hi this is. Dr lena win. And i'm happy to be joining anti again on in the bubble. So what do i predict for. Twenty twenty one. Well i think the beginning twenty twenty one is going to be really rough. Unfortunately we will see an escalation of deaths at this point. We don't yet know where the peak of deaths will be. And i could vary want to pay. That will be surpassing four thousand deaths per day which is an unimaginable tragedy. When preselected biden comes into office. I do think then. His administration will be implementing changes that will head us in the right direction. But i hope that there are expectations that are set to because changes are not going to happen overnight and we will have a very tough period to go through and after that. I think we should expect a slow steady recovery that has many surprises some of which can be predicted and many of which. I don't think we can foresee just yet. Hi this is. David is what do i predict for. Twenty twenty one. Well i think the first half of twenty twenty one is going to be very similar to twenty twenty and that. We're going to be wearing masks. We're going to be social distancing and we're gonna be vaccinating and as we transition to the summer. I think the numbers of virus are going to fall dramatically and more and more. We're going to be going back toward a normal so by the end of the year. I think we will be. Interacting without masks and the virus numbers will have gone to negligible. Hi this is a heap italia. I'm an infectious diseases. Physician medical director of special pathogens at boston medical center. I think twenty twenty one is going to be defined by disparate realities. Will depend on where you are. What country or even what part of this country are in because just the availability of vaccine is distribution and his uptake slightly to be pretty dispiriting different places which means that different parts of the world will reach vaccine induced herd immunity at different times. And that's going to have an immense impact on how we all go back to normal. The other thing that comes to mind. Is that my own experience from west african Ebola virus disease epidemic. Was you know the communities that i worked with there at the end of the bull epidemic. It was almost a culture shock when you started to go back to life as normal it just took a moment of hesitation when you start doing things that were so so regular normal to us before the epidemic started or in this case before the pandemic started i see that potentially Affecting us as well. I'm just going to add one more thing. Because i think is important so because of my job as a healthcare worker one of the first people to receive this vaccine and it really strikes me as a poignant to me that i know that not only are there millions of people behind me in line but billions around the world and my real concern. Is that as we all. Strive to her. You know going back to normalcy there. There might be parts of the world that don't achieve that for years and the longer they don't achieve that normalcy for years. The greater the devastation. You know on their communities on their economies and and as soon as we start doing well. I think it's important for us to start turning our eye outward because we all live together and if anything this pandemic should teach us that. An outbreak somewhere can beat outbreak everywhere. Hi i'm demoss boy. You're the author of the hammer and the dense. What will happen in twenty twenty one while there's going to be clearly two parts to twenty twenty one. The first one is the money. One people are going to scramble to get the vaccine. The second half of twenty twenty one will be the roaring twenties when he won in the nineteen twenties after the first world war and the pandemic. everybody wanted to leave and catch up with what they couldn't do before that and celebrating the fact that we're alive and that's what's gonna happen here as soon as there's enough vaccines people will want to travel. See their friends. Cedar family catch up on all the things. They couldn't do hi. My name is megan rammie. I'm an emergency physician and public health researcher at brown university and co founder of get us. Pp i predict that twenty twenty one is going to be a lot like the proverbial month of march in like a lion out like a lamb. The first few months are going to be unbelievably difficult. We're going to continue to covid nineteen infections hospitalizations and deaths rise and it is going to take time for us to roll out. Vaccinations we're gonna see social unrest. Distrust of the new administration an awful lot of fixing of hurt public health systems and hurt people but by the end of the year. We are going to have hope and positive change. And we'll be approximating a new normal. I deeply believe that bhai midsummer will have most of our adults vaccinated and by next fall although covid nineteen will certainly still be here with us. We will have a functioning public health system a healthcare system. That's no longer overwhelmed and a society that starting to come back together and to heal be seeing. I'm fairly certain we'll see this. As we roll out the vaccine where more and more people get vaccinated. And i do hope that we ultimately get to a substantial proportion of the population being vaccinated when i say substantial. I'm talking now. Between seventy and eighty five percent of people getting vaccinated. We will see as we get into the beginning of the first quarter of twenty twenty one and we get a higher priority people right now. In december the aim is to get people in nursing homes and extended care facilities and the first line healthcare workers who had taken care of individuals as we get to that one be in one sea level and then two and three hopefully by the time we get to eat middle of march maybe middle to end the march that we will be in a position where then it becomes what i have referred to for people to understand as open season. Anybody doesn't matter young person who has no one lying condition doesn't have a critical job but just every normal man and woman in the street i wanna get vaccinated once that starts in earnest. I believe if we do it efficiently and we get people vaccinated quickly as we go through. April may and june that by the time we get to the middle and end of the summer. we'll have that proportion of the population vaccinated that we can really start thinking about returning to some form of normality now. I don't think we have to and we should not think in terms of abandoning public health measures. While we're getting to that point we should think of vaccine as complementary to public. Health measures not replacing public health measures. But there will be a time. I think this calendar year that we will begin to approach some degree of normality if we get that substantial proportion of the population vaccinated less. What you heard of course was anthony fauci. Let me tell you some of the other responses that that we got to that question. She's joh- from the head of the public health. School and brown university said the year will start horribly and get better each month. Thanks sheesh. tom ingles from john. Hopkins says the twenty twenty. One will be a good year but will feel too slow moving for most of us. John reiner from george washington. University hospital former physician to the vice president said we will begin with the worse mortality. We've seen in this pandemic and then every gradual steady recovery so a lot of the same things here. Twenty twenty one. It sounds like he's going to start off a lot like twenty twentieth. Finishing and i would say from my own like. We're not through with prizes from this pandemic whether it's some of the new strains were hearing about whether it's things we can't get see your predict. We're gonna see some surprises still but we're gonna conquer those surprises and We will begin. Gradually get there. 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That's shop dot livy guard dot com and enter code bubba. Ten when you check out the next big prediction for what's ahead for twenty twenty one. I really tried to ask the question. That would signify some specificity. When are we going to be in terms of people tend to use quote unquote back to normal. I didn't use that term because it means if these different people. What i said is what month. Do you expect indoor gatherings to be safe again. I think beginning in may in certain states and by august most everywhere i think in july will start to see a major turnaround. The virus will have a much harder time finding new hosts and that'll be the transition which will continue throughout the year. I think Some point in summer potentially july. Which is what i'm using in. My mind could be when we reach enough of a vaccine induced herd immunity that we feel comfortable at least to start gathering and in small groups. I can see a world where summer starts to look a lot better. Maybe in june or july timeframe we might be in a better position to meet again indoors but We'll see it's been nothing but surprises this year. And i'm hoping for the best. I strongly believe that late august most of us will be able to safely gathered indoors again and that certainly the holidays next year will look more like what we're used to and twenty twenty s. I think that is going to be in the fall I think by then we will have had several months under our belt where we have hit herd immunity and We wear a mask for those several months. And then we see a fall in the viruses. I will predict. September october We'll be back to A social gatherings again. I'll say it with a big caveat. That is a big. You know guesstimate and a lot of things would have to fall into right place for that to happen. But i think getting back to what i said about if we get a substantial proportion when i say substantial i'm talking really substantial vaccinated. I would think as we get into the fall months as we get into september october november that we will be able to have indoor gatherings restaurants. Not feeling badly about having indoor seating. i hope said i think by november twenty twenty one. It'll be safe to have family thanksgiving indoor again. That'll be a major turning point for the economy and life. In general boy am i looking forward to the emanuel family thanksgiving twenty twenty one. I will feel safe. At indoor gathering only if everyone at the gathering has been vaccinated with a known effective vaccine even then. There is some risk in general. I'm not sure. I'll feel safe until twenty twenty two. So you just heard from farzad sherry eric. Topol keelan rivers megan. Ready david egas. Anthony fauci the manual and bill joining. So what we just hear about. Fifteen to twenty percent of folks think that we will be able to be safely indoor gathering by the fourth of july. That's i'd say it's not a lot of confidence in that but there are some i call those sort of the most confident people dependent on a very fast acting distribution. But and i think here's the big takeaway for me. Seventy five percent of our scientists surveyed. Believe that we will be gathering indoors again safely by labor day and about ninety percent. Say it'll happen by thanksgiving with the rest saying it'll happen some time as we get to twenty twenty two so i think we had are liars here where people who said it would happen before the fourth of july or after thanksgiving so most folks think sometime between the fourth of july and thanksgiving. It's going to be really many ways close to the old world of safely indoor gathering not worrying about spreading and Centering that really around labor day. Now i think there's some caveats you know. We didn't play you all of their comments. Every scientists likes to say well on the one hand axe on the other hand. Why yes but for this and that and the other and so forth and so to be fair you know. They're making a lot of assumptions. They're assuming that. This vaccine distribution accelerates and improves over. Its treacherously slow pace. It's assuming that we Are able to conquer these Variants pretty successfully. And it assumes good take-up the vaccine and as you know from some of our episodes if you've listened over the last half of the year even in december. We had a phenomenal episode on vaccine confidence. We had episode on vaccine out. You know. there's there's a lot of work to do but if you want to know what the smart people think. I think that's really kind of labor day. Some say there are no seasons here in la but in hollywood. There's at least one award season. Listen to the envelope. The podcast from the la times every wednesday to hear from the talent behind some of this year's best movies and tv shows including stars like responded jones. Hugh grant an annual taylor joy. 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Make it more accessible affordable and simply better learn more. cvs dot com back which still twenty twenty one correct okay. How's he you're treating you so far. Great okay so we're going to finish off by really talking about what this means and what it means. We need to do to get right and you know i. I think it makes a little bit of sense to talk about these new strains that we are seeing in south africa and in in england. And then let me. Just give a bit of an explanation. If i can. And so. what's going on here. And how this impacts things. We essentially have many many versions of this. Grown virus mutates and mutates all the time in various forms. In some of these mutations are visible and some of them are not visible mutations that are most concerned about are the ones that are making covid. Nineteen about sixty percent more contagious. And what does that mean for us. That means that you can be exposed to about forty percent of the virus in this new strain and still get symptoms of coronavirus so it sends the message that this is considered a lot more a lot more easily. So if you before you were in place for a place for fifteen minutes and it took you fifteen minutes of exposure to get sick now. That could happen in six minutes. If you're exposed to this new strain and of course we don't know where the strain is. We know it's been spotted in a couple of states in the us. But because we don't do a lot of sequencing here because we've only sequenced we just don't know where it is so we have to be careful and we have to make the assumption that this is more contagious. We are currently testing to see whether the vaccine works as effectively and these new strains and we don't know the answer but we suspect they will work but maybe not quite as well which means to get vaccinated is all the more important okay. So what is what's the implication of all that for us. So i asked the experts. These folks what they thought was most important and let me tell you a little bit of a sampling of of what we've heard john. Reiner said stay safe until it's your turn to get vaccinated. He said no letting your guard down bill. Joy said public must realize that safety precautions will not end in two thousand. Twenty one very brilliant said. It's about face masks social distancing handwashing testing contact tracing and isolation vaccination so a lot about what was twenty twenty. Twenty was about the a i think. Kind of summed up. What most people said what. Jesus maintaining vigilance eric. Topol sets about wearing masks and distancing enough gathering so there was a lot of that. David igus tom. Ingles be kate and rivers and those were the kinds of things. We tend to hear now. Megan rainy said something a little bit different. She said get your vaccine. And so that's going to be a few months about is getting these vaccines rolled out. So did thomas. Puerto said same as well so i think what people are scientists advising probably. No surprise is look people. Don't think it's going to be until labor day before we can begin to let our guard down in the meantime i. There's a lot of reminders not to do that. So what does the government need to get right. We have a new administration coming in a lot of work underplayed. What do they have to do. Well two thirds of responses had something to do with getting the vaccine right whether it was public education about vaccines whether it was the rollout of the vaccines whether it's building public trust in the vaccines. Those were the main responses but a play one from tony faouzi because he had a particular view. Well first of all what i would like to see is something that i had been asking for all along. Is that although. I totally respect the federalist approach towards government where the states have a significant amount of leeway in doing things the way they would want to do. I would like to see a bit more of a uniformity respecting the differences of state who you have a consistency and uniformity in your approach to this outbreak. We do certain things that are standard. So that there's no doubt about what one should be doing at any given time. That's what i really would like to say. The other thing that i would like to see is then the testing that we're doing of not the testing where you're trying to find out in identification isolation contact tracing but more of a surveillance testing of asymptomatic people to be able to get a feel good feel for what the penetrations of infection is and people might be able to take it upon themselves to determine m. i. infected if i am i'm going to stay out of circulation and obviously get sick and i need a physician i will but if i'm just infected i don't wanna be infecting anybody else. I want to quarantine myself for the standard amount of time. We've got to be able to do much more of that. I think which airing tony say is. Let's let's make sure we have a national response Let's not dilly dally with kind of state level responses. We had during the trump era. I think that's what he was. Nicely saying. we had some other answers from other folks. that were bit A bit bolder. Broader bigger it's cetera. Wanting to make sure we're restoring trust in government and civil service in setting proper expectations in making sure we prevent these things from happening again in making sure that our healthcare system is equitable. All good important things and quite frankly if we don't get the right senior allowed downright Those things are probably less important So that's where the focus is going to be. I think is closed the episode. I want to just thank you again. I want to reiterate that we are looking at maybe. Three quarters of the year with a lot of restrictions of these scientists are right. We're looking at a massive vaccine rollout program that has to go well and hopefully people were in and hopefully it will be successful. We are in a gradual period of time where we all have to continue to be cautious. Even though we're tired and we want i'll get back to normal life but there are holidays ahead. That will be able to spend with friends and family if we do this right. And i'm looking forward to doing it right with you. I'm in the same boat. I want to pick up or and help row this thing in the right direction. So we'll be talking more in the coming days about all that. So let me tell you about a couple of shows. We have a amazing tool kit. That i think is about getting your questions about how we get back to work in if we're going to work and if we people we love going to work what are both the safety and the legal issues around being indoors and being an employer and dealing with employer situations and then we have the new. Cdc director rachelle wolinsky will make her kinda first major public speech statement on the new direction. Right here and in the bubble that and more surprises coming your way. Thanks everybody talk to you next week. Thanks for listening in the bubble hope. You rita's highly where production of lemonade media chrissy. Ps and alex mccowan produced to show. 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Bless You Boys of Summer: Flint's Baseball Dream

Radio Free Flint

34:29 min | 1 year ago

Bless You Boys of Summer: Flint's Baseball Dream

"Mm-hmm okay Arthur Bush. We're at a Radio Free Flint and I have a great show for a change or are shows are pretty good with this one is going to be exceptional. We have Jeffrey matches WHO's of Flint. Area Up Thomas and he has a great story to tell so without any further. Ado Jeffrey. Welcome thank you for having me. Jeff You You were a flint native and attended Freeman School McKinley southwestern and had quite a quite a career during that time in sports went us. Why don't we start there? And then I'll explain to the fan. The fans out there a little bit about that so I grew up on Dearborn street off a Atherton road. was a great place to grow up. Great neighborhood. Good kids past took care of us. it was the golden age of flat Schools were outstanding We had access to all the sports fields. And the gyms and We played ball from sunup until sundown and It was just set great time to grow up in Flint. Now Jump You Were a played several sports in high school. And I remember going back that far in the class of nineteen seventy one that you played Not Just Baseball. But you also played basketball. I couldn't remember who was football as well. Football too and your position in football wide receiver. Okay and Tell us a little bit about your sports career in high school so as sophomore. I didn't go off for football my junior high coach Coach Williams Told me I was probably should stick with basketball baseball. Said I was too fragile and get her plan football so I listened to him and I didn't go out. Slugged Waza Sophomore played. Jv basketball until Christmas. Time and then Herb mcdaniel. I got called up to the Varsity and we ended up both starting on the bar. City and Urbach same is going to be inducted into the Greater Flint African America Hall of fame this year. It got postponed because of a virus but he was a great player We weren't very good as As a team as Sophomores Juniors by the time we got to be seniors We won the Saginaw Valley Division and we made it to the regional finals got beat by Clinton are Great Flint. Northern Team Tom McGill Wayman Britt and Berry Menefee. We lost five games at your three of them were to northern and one of them was to Piney. Central Time May with campy. Russell so pretty good competition. Northern team go on to win. They win the State Championship that year. They did Actually they played this contact central twice in the regular season and on accent. Oh beaten both times The one at the I. M. A. was packed obviously and buynaksk central beaten by thirty three and They didn't meet in the State Tournament They both made it to the semifinals and Lizzie hairston Joe Johnson webs Detroit. Catering be panic. Central in the Semis Flint. Northern be somebody else that landlord that'd be carrying in files of course can't be. Russell agreed campy Russell. When onto play at the University of Michigan I think he played professional probably played ten years in the NBA. A good career. Well your basketball career was a lot of fun I could see I could see the competition was certainly flint style. Because you you played against some of the best and with the best Herbert Danone's of course was a terrific one. Better Flint basketball players in in our history. Jeff you also played baseball. And that's really where you do reached Some pretty high levels of for a high school kid of. Why don't you tell us you were as I understand it? You were drafted in the sixth round by the Detroit Tigers. Which may you the hundred and thirty four th pick In the amateur draft in nineteen seventy one? How did that happen? Well actually When I was a junior Bill Joy was a scout for the Tigers. Bb He went on to become general manager eventually He came to fly into Scout Mark Crane and Mike Taku at Flint Central and the game. He came to just handed. They happen to be planned. Southwestern I was planned for South Western and bill joy took a liking to me and He followed me. Obviously the rest of that year and my senior year and He was the main reason. I got drafted and so You know I spent a fair amount of time in In the winter watching the Toronto Blue Jays training down in Dunedin Florida and I listened to the code listened to the scouts talking. And there's been several times when we do that. Then I got in the middle of the debates about whether it was best for a high school or go to college or pursue professional baseball Tell us a little bit about your thinking there. Well Hindsight's always twenty twenty. If I had to do all over again I probably would have gone to University of Michigan or to Kent State University and Played Baseball and football I was recruited As a wide receiver to go UBER SO Michigan To play football for ball and I ended up signing with tiger so I never I never made it to them to play in the big house Probably not a good decision but it you know when you're eighteen years old. That's a tough tough thing to decide him. You're not sure which way to go sure. And that year in the major league draft you had some classmates who were also Draft by the Detroit Tigers and. Learn to tell us a little bit about that. So the number one pick that year was Tommy Verizon From Long Island New York? Great Guy Great Athlete Tommy probably ended up plan almost ten years maybe in the big leagues When I was When I signed with the Tigers when I got to Bristol Virginia the Rookie League Jim Leyland was our manager. That was Quite quite a team A bunch of eighteen year olds away from home for the first time. And that was Jim. Leyland's first you're managing so it was It was pretty interesting. Leland of course became the manager of Detroit Tigers and and also use the manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates. I remember and I think didn't Leland Win Well World Series Championship with a Florida team. Was it a floor above? I WANNA say Marlon Ninety nineteen ninety seven. Maybe you're go ahead. I'm sorry I might have the wrong. He Wanna off is Leeland in the hall of fame. I don't think he's very yet but you would think with the amount of Wins it. He accumulated over the years. You probably think he might get in at some point now. Jeff what was it like playing for a guy like Leland? He's a guy that he's kind of players coaches. I understand it. He was quite a character. He was only twenty six years old and he was trying to Babysit a bunch of eighteen year. Old Kids so it was It was quite a time I've got Some few few stories But probably can't tell all over my camera I remember one incident where we were. We stopped at a truck. Stop to eat and when we got back on the bus Bus driver started pulling away and the The police came and blocked the bus. And of course you know the manager sits in the front row on the right there and it was an leland gets off the bus and talking to the policemen and about ten minutes later here comes Leland policemen and they walk back through the lesson. They They Gabe. Mo- Horton who I believe is related. Willie Horton. I don't know if it was their cousins or mos nephew or whatever but turns out Mo- forgot to pay for his meal and that didn't go over too well and They ended up taking the MO off the bus. And we never saw Moore again I'm not sure it seemed kind of a stiff penalty for just hot lunch and up but you know what happened. What was it like to play? You ended up playing in Lakeland I played gives me. I played twice in Lakeland. Played in seventy two for the first half of the year and then in seventy five I played that seventy five team had lance parrish on it Mark the bird. Federal Judge Proper. Leaving off a couple of other guys but it's been richly. He was a great guy. he Ali Wore was a white t-shirt cut off blue jeans and low top converse purple tennis shoes and last parish live Had A had a difference on that he he said they're high tops and I'm pretty sure they were low tops but Great hard worker You saw him run and all the time. He's in great shape he had a really good stuff But he was he was just a normal guy wasn't off the field. He wasn't the bird he would just mark But yeah he I. I believe the next year seventy six was his nineteen thousand nine year in and The city of Detroit fell in love with him. No kidding talk into the baseball. That's the way I remember Taco baseball before he threw. It means he did that. He did that when I knew him. As well. It's crazy and So how long was your mind career? I've played until the spring of seventy six guy released in spring training in nineteen. Seventy six I see. Now you played not just in Lakeland but I miss Clayton another city or two at played in Clinton Iowa. I played in Anderson South Carolina and played in Bristol. Michael Wrong Clinton I. It's a hot. That was interesting I would just talking to my wife the other night about test. We were talking. It was snowing outside and we were saying it's baseball season snowing but the first night in Clinton opening night it was thirty two degrees. Because I remember I had a Turtleneck on and on another shirt and then my base baseball shirt and It was cold and actually a guy came out of the stands and streaked across Southfield and shimmied up the flagpole and then Stood on the top of the fence and jumped over. I remember that was opening night in in Clinton Iowa. We don't see Clinton I will with the streakers climbing rank all the smoke free close Jeff. Eventually you're one of the few major leaguers that probably made to Tiger Stadium before he got drafted right. My research says that that you had a chance to play as a senior in Highschool all-star Michigan High School All Star Game. Which was at Tartar Stadium? Technically it wasn't a official all star game. It was a A collection of high school kids that Bill Joy recruited to play in Tiger Stadium And there was I. It was it was unreal. Thank for me growing up in Tigers Fan Got To play right field that day. We actually played two games and them. I just put us on facebook a few days ago. when alkaline passed it was kind of surreal for me because I was roaming around the outfield where alkaline you know had been and still wasn't time And I was kind of odd by the whole thing and I didn't really look around to pay attention to where the wall was. And in the top of the first in House plan right-field big left-hander Left handed hitter came up and I just knew he was going to hit the ball. You know to me and sure enough. He yanked down the right field line and I went flying over and ran right into the wall and Full speed and luckily the wall was only waist high so I went flipping over. The Wall. Banged my knee up. Pretty good And didn't realize that I hurt my toe as well because when I got home I took my When we got the car afterwards I took my shoe often that my toast swelled up really bad and it was just about a week before. Football season started a little bit worried that I was GONNA get in trouble with coach. Jobson for being injured in baseball. But it it healed up. Okay but yeah. It was Gerry mays from Carmen also played that game and he He pissed on the other team. I got I got to bat against him and Unfortunately geared that point Had hurt his arm so he what he He he lost a little bit on his fastball. But when he heard his arm he could really bring it and he was a great hitter as well so just that that. That was fun I was that was right before we started our senior year. Oh mazing and Jeff you hone your skills on the playground pretty much. I was reading something you wrote the other day. That talked Abou playing at the Freeman School and McKinley. School as a kid I toss toss about that experience. What you thought of that. Well just a memory or too if he can. I remember pitching. I could throw it pretty hard but I had no clue I was gone so the guys were in vogue with varied up step in there. I guess May Scott Taylor was catcher and one ear One or two years. I remember that Paul Krause was our supervisor framing and a he was about six four and of course we were little guys who were just really thought. He was something else and every once in a while Summit say Paul hit hit one and somebody pits one to him and he was left handed hitter and he would Jack Him. There was a parking lot out in right field and he would and then there was a bunch of trees EPP beyond that he would jack up in the trees and we were just Kinda awed by him. He's isn't he lis- let's explain a little bit about him. The high he'd became an NFL. Legend really led the NFL. Mom in all time interceptions. Beat dat record might still exist. I think you're right. It was a fabulous athlete arguably the greatest all round athlete. Ever come out of flat You'll hear some different names. But he gets mentioned quite a bit along with Rick Leach He also played baseball. I think at Iowa and I've heard stories about how great a pitcher he wants. Video suffered his arm and back then. They couldn't fix arm. So you bet that pretty much as fi what led him to football nother guide at nother guy that supervised you in the summer months in the rest of the. The fellas was Fred Carol Who was Long Time teacher in Flint School district. Remember Him Oh yeah. It was a great guy. He's left handed is to play In Flip City League is a pitcher in the league but He was a great baseball guy. He taught us all the fundamentals. Zain so we were by the time we got South Western. We were We knew how to play the game. That's right well. My career in baseball ended on that. Feel that McKinley when I was playing in the summer. And there for some reason I usually played catcher but your friend of Mine Scott. Taylor went to to baseball camp to went together. Rules as leader understood. That was that was quite an experience. I'll never forget that it was. It was a great time Was Ted Way Baseball Camp Want to say it was in Lakeville Massachusetts where the somewhere in Massachusetts and Tad We never saw TAT tat. Never showed up but anyway it was a great Great Time There was a guy and they're named Eddy wake us who I believe was one of the Philadelphia Whiz kids He showed me how to play. First Base and We would place on the local high school teams and I remember one day. You can only if you're a pitcher. You can only pitch inning so the guy said well who who can pitch who can fill in a pitch offered to pitch so they let me pet. Scott Taylor was catching and I threw a no hitter and I was pretty cool then About a week later. Same thing happens and Unfortunately that game. I walked thirteen guys which is really hard to do because the the main thing with that is the coach of the manager. He's got to leave you in there for you. To Walk. Goes Thirteen guys. You think. At some point they come out and say okay son. You've had enough for the day. But Yeah Scott Taylor had the Advocacy that too can imagine. Cashing pitcher walks thirteen guys I did. I've done that in the park at Wendy in my neighborhood in the south. But I remember You Two fellas coming back and all of a sudden left the newer at one level. You were here. And when he came back like we are here in terms of Skill and And growth this baseball players. Jump up and bite the switch Basi- here just a minute One of the things that you grew up with and plant was the community school system which you've described earlier as golden years. What was it about Freeman School? A which Which made you think it was golden years. And what was it that they did that really gave you a boost I remember. I think they had a thing called teen club that there was a guy named Charlie. Mont Pass Had an organization called Afloat Olympian Club. Which basically we will do all kinds of sports activities. He take US bowling guitars. Out of box We have access to the gym whenever we wanted to It was just style. We always wanted to play. There was always placed to play there on the baseball field or in the gym and Bob Callous was instrumental in my life. I remember when you had gym class. Was Mr Cows His rule was When he blew the whistle you throw all the balls towards the office then he would put him in the office and then you go take a shower and then go to your next class. And one day I was shooting baskets in the book. The whistle blew and I just I just kept shoot. And so he blew the whistle again and I kept shooting and finally he called me over optimistic. Minneapolis give me a couple of swats hit. Yeah that that was okay to do that. Back then. And and that That was a lesson for me Like sign that. The world doesn't revolve around you. You know you. You're pretty good sports but you're You got follow the rules. And he lit me up. Pretty good with that pal and I never did that again. One of the things that we we work with Young people I have over the years and sometimes sometimes it isn't always the lessons in life where you're the champion where you end up You know bringing home a trophy so to speak whether it's enlarged weather. It's an athletics. It's how a person deals with That disappointment sometimes. It's even the agony of defeat. I see young people who've lost a game. And they they go into a tailspin. Your case you OUGHTA dream to become a major leaguer and you didn't make that dream come true but you've had some terrific experiences both in athletics as well as in your professional life and I'd like to know like to ask this question. What what did you do to make that transition and tell us what the transition was? So when I got released from the Tigers in the spring seventy six it was like okay now what I do. The rest of my life I knew that I could go back to school and get a degree But it was like what do I get a degree in It just so happen that in Follow seventy five one of my teammates Tommy Thompson and I drove to Vegas business. Trans of Magus and I'm the way they're on the way back by the time we got back. We had decided I was going to go to Tom. Do School and Tommy was gonNA come back to. Flan come to flint. He was from here And learn the optical business from my dad who was an optometrist and so we had this big master plan that after I graduate my time to go into business together. He would do the glasses part and the exams. Santa Pretty good at the time Fast forward You know a few months or whatever time. He decided. He didn't want to do that but I'd already of made Committed to going to school so I went back to school. You them And then Finished up at Unlv IN VEGAS And then one time to school. Now tell us a little bit about what went that ended up with that. What would the next was So I went to Optometry school of Farris and that was that was a great experience Metadata lifelong friends got a great education and my wife and I my wife was so Nebraska at first and we decided that we wanted to go back out west so after I graduated I interviewed with an ophthalmologist in the Reno Nevada and ended up getting the job and That's how I ended up in Nevada and live there for fifteen years and the great place to live and then eventually came back to flint. I did We unfortunately got divorced and Just seem like a right thing to do. At the time I moved back to flint. And that's been great Met My second wife Sam. She's a great lady and she's a great cook Which is Served us well here in the last few weeks but Yeah light life has been good to me. I didn't make it as I didn't. wasn't successful in pursuing my dream but have had great life now. Are you practicing optometry today? I'm just a couple of days a week and Brighton. That semi retired So just working part-time Jeff as we wind up here Is there any advice had provided a lot of entertainment for people in Flint area to follow intellectual and then to serve the people flint later in the field of optometry? Anything you'd give advice or suggestions to the people of Flint. And how is it? You feel about the city itself Well I'm a You know the lateen cleaves and that bunch They they're the flintstones but does a lot of flintstones before that And it was a great place to grow up I cherish all those memories I'm really lucky I'm back here and I get to see all a lot of my old friends that we've stayed friends over the years and yes it's been a Great Great Journey. Who were some of the greatest athletes that you had a chance to play with well in the baseball Ronald Floor? I think Ron probably could have been. Nfl running back to Last perish While I saw so many played with so many Ricky Leach was a few steps behind you enough class but Did you ever a chance play baseball with him? When I got released from the Tigers it came back to flint and we got to play summer. Baseball on this in a city league A couple of years and You know the Great Athlete obviously Ricky was one of a kind He I think he was. The first quarterback ever start as a freshman at U. of M. and. Thank you was. Third in. Heisman is senior year at Michigan and Yeah just You Know Ricky had that whatever it is that makes you special. He had you know He. He walked on the field with that attitude that I'm the man and the I'll be the best player on the field today. Jeffrey You're the best person on the field for many years as I watched you grow up both at Freeman and McKinley and southwestern and I appreciate All the things you've done to keep our classmates at one south Western high school together. I we didn't get a chance to talk about this today but Jeff regularly gather surround table of Darius snub flintstones of of all walks of life and It's been without without your Your effort you brought a lot of great memories back to me over the years and I'm really glad you could take a few minutes to talk to us here today. Thank you for having me appreciate it. He you're certainly welcome and I know you like everyone else of Been sitting around watching our beards. Girl BUT APOLOGIZES IN SHAME. Today s week for that matter. I think we'll get over that Been Anyway will encourage everyone to stay home until the crisis in silver. Thank you Jeff. All right stay safe okay. You too bye bye. Thank you take care.

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The O'Reilly Update, January 7, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

11:47 min | 3 months ago

The O'Reilly Update, January 7, 2021

"Bill o'reilly here thursday january seven. Two thousand twenty one. You are listening to the o'reilly update. Here's what's happening. Across our nation shameful rioting at the capitol multiple explosive devices discovered across washington. Congress certifying the electoral count democrat. Jon ossoff officially in georgia also ahead tough analysis of the violent anarchy in washington. Dc my commentary is coming up but first four dead including a veteran. A woman who broke into the capital was shot in the neck that happened after thousands of protesters stormed the capitol building during the electoral certification process riders use batch chairs and batons to break windows before entering the rotunda vice president pence was evacuated while members of congress were huddled protected by capitol. Police one of the most disgraceful displays in american history. As i said more analysis ahead now. The riot occurred minutes after president. Trump addressed a crowd of supporters from the white house lawn. Mr trump again blaming quote weak republicans for refusing to back his challenge to the two thousand and twenty election early this morning. Mr trump changed his tone vowing. A peaceful transition to joe biden on january twenty. I'm glad the president did that but yesterday he was part of a situation where no one was a winner. Pipebombs other explosives were found at republican national headquarters and the democratic headquarters. Capital police also removed at least three suspicious packages place near the officers of prominent lawmakers during the rioting least fifty have been arrested more to come. It is a federal felony to invade a government building. So i expect prison time for some of those involved in other news far left democrat jon ossoff officially defeating gave it purdue in the georgia runoff giving control of the senate to the democrats. This is not a good development. And i'll have more on that next week in a moment. How did that capital writing. Really begin right back so we have a new sponsor. Mammoth dacian america's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes dot includes the police and first responders active military in vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases. Help support all of those causes. It's better than a donation return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotel shopping. Wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more it only costs nineteen bucks a year excellent deal. You can save that much from just one purchase. Now i'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. That's mammoth nation dot com slash bill joy. Now time now for the o'reilly update message of the day. Everyone lost yesterday when protesters turned violent and violated the us capitol building. Four people lost their lives. One violently dozens of protesters and police were hurt. The pro trump anti vote corruption movement is destroyed. President trump himself lost because he did not tamp things down in his speech before the riot. I do not believe. The president incited the riot. I think that is false and even hateful analysis but you have to anticipate danger when there are more than one hundred thousand people packed into a small area and many of them are angry. Some irrationally you have to try to tamp it down. The president did not do that in his pre riot remarks a major mistake now those who hate donald trump lost as well because decent americans fair-minded americans despise the peddling of hatred which was on display in the media yesterday. Like i've never seen it before. It was a disgrace. As donald trump might say those who condemn the riots yesterday but who did not condemn violence. After the george floyd killing have now been exposed is hypocrites and on bill o'reilly dot com. I have a segment naming people who did just that forever. They will be losers. And finally america's image was besmirched all over the world. Now you not care about this but it is important. The united states is the beacon as they say of the entire world we are the strongest country we should be the fairest and least corrupt country. However that is dissipating and what. The world saw yesterday reflects poorly on all americans because people overseas. They're not paying attention. They don't understand allegations of voter fraud and they don't care. All they saw was a wild mob trying to destroy the symbol of american democracy the capitol building and believe me later overseas. Most of them jealous of us. Were just hammering the usa. Donald trump will go down in history now as a lesser president in his last two weeks in office. This riot will define him. That's not fair. Mr trump did a lot of good things and help this country. Get stronger economically. No question about it but this display was so vivid and so terrible that it will be attached to president trump as history unfolds. That may not be fair. But that's the way it will be. I'm bill o'reilly and i approve the message by writing it disagree. I'd like to hear from you bill. O'reilly dot com in a moment. Something you might not know. Investors are you seeking steady cashflow ready to diversify have you considered a proven real estate investment fund and our i as one of the nation's leading realty specialists and offers ten percent annualized monthly pay-outs with bonuses targeted to twenty one percent. As right you could receive steady ten percent return monthly payments with bonuses realty investing done right even your 401k or ira to invest. 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The process actually started in seventeen. Eighty eight a year earlier when most states ratified the us constitution. The document established the office of the president vice president and electoral college based on each state's congressional representation. How many people the state had before the election. The usa had no chief executive under the previous system. Based on the articles of confederation. The national american government was headed by the congress which had a ceremonial presiding officer all sixty nine elect towards cast one vote for george washington making his election unanimous two of the original thirteen colonies north carolina and rhode island had not ratified the constitution. At the time of the first presidential vote and did not participate. New york fell to choose electors due to an internal political brawl. One month later on february. Fourth george washington was officially elected. As the first president of the united states. sworn in on april thirtieth seventeen eighty-nine he would go on to win a second term. And here's something else you might not know. It would be another thirty five years before the popular vote actually had an impact on the presidential race. The eighteen twenty four election was the first contest where eighteen states us residents to decide how to cast their electoral delegates. Six dates still left the choice up to local politicians. The result total chaos. John quincy adams defeated andrew jackson in eighteen twenty four because the house of representatives gave election to him adams lost the popular vote and the electoral vote. The only time that has ever happened back after this. Thank you for listening to the o'reilly update. I am bill. No spin just facts and always looking out for you.

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The O'Reilly Update, January 5, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

11:58 min | 3 months ago

The O'Reilly Update, January 5, 2021

"Bill o'reilly here tuesday january fifth two thousand and twenty one. You are listening to the o'reilly update. Here's what's happening across our nation once again. President trump alleging massive voting fraud. This time in georgia voters. There will decide the fate of the senate today. Nancy pelosi requiring gender neutral language in congress. The murder saint louis hitting a fifty year. High iran starts enriching uranium ahead of joe. Biden's inauguration also coming up today what the far left really wants and how it will affect you but i president trump speaking before a packed crowd in georgia hours after the washington post published his private conversation to the georgia secretary of state about voting fraud. Critics accused mr trump. A pressuring the secretary of state to flip the coun- supporters say the entire situation needs a special counsel and a federal investigation because of allegations of massive fraud citizens in the peach state now casting ballots will ultimately dictate which party controls. The senate latest poll show the two races tied. Senate has been controlled by republicans since two thousand fourteen speaker of the house. Nancy pelosi unveiling a series of new rules for the next session of congress banning all gendered language. Right bills will no longer include words like mother. Father daughter himself herself angle aunt or niece replacements include parent child family relation and them self. Democrats say the lingo will produce a quote more inclusive environment. Oh yes sure it will come on man up. Sorry that would give you banned from congress. I'm as i say. Louis missouri now at the highest level since the early nineteen seventies meantime radical activists in the city still working to de fund. The saint louis police. It's amazing and it doesn't seem to be much pushback. In missouri's largest city the mola's in iran enriching uranium that makes nuclear weapons the incident a clear violation of the two thousand fifteen nuclear agreement but president trump withdrew from that in two thousand eighteen. Joe biden has said he plans to rejoin the international deal. Once sworn into office iranians fully realizing mr biden is much weaker than donald trump. A moment what the radical left really wants back with that. So we have a new sponsor. Mammoth nation america's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes. That includes police and first responders active military and vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases help support. All of those causes it's better than donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotel. Shopping wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more. It only costs nineteen bucks a year. Excellent deal you can save that much from just one purchase now. I'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. That's mammoth nation dot com slash bill joy. Now time now for the update message of the day. Today's to senate races in georgia will test traditional america like never before if the too radical leftists democrats ossoff and warnock win the senate will be controlled by the left and as you know. The house has already controlled by democrats and that will bring big changes over all of the usa. So what do the radicals really want. Well simply put they wanna totalitarian federal government to tell americans what they can have and what. They can't have what they can do and what they can't do. That is how socialism is imposed. Now the way to do this is to control the economy. Think back if you are a history person to the depression what happened well. Franklin delano roosevelt took the economy over the new deal and washington. Pretty much ran everything for about twelve years. So the free marketplace evaporated in america and it was because there was economic disaster caused by the depression with millions of people unable to feed themselves and their family. So president roosevelt doled out the money that he had from taxpayers. Who were working to make. Sure americans didn't die. History understands that but the model that the big federal government controls. The government is what the progressive left wants. Now how do you achieve that. Well the first thing you do is you have to ingrain into the american people that this is an un joist society. It's on fair. The deck is stacked against the poor and working people once you can get that established then. The only solution is a big government changing the way we do business in the usa. Literally in pose draconian taxation punitive taxation corporations and affluent people. You take their stuff you impose a wealth tax. That's private property tax on things that you have and you basically say to americans. This is what you can have. And here's what you can't have now the way to do this way to have that kind of centralized government running. The economy is as i said to demonize the country. It's an evil country. It's a racist country. And that's why the progressives are running down all of our traditions and they are making progress largely because the media is applauding some of these actions when you take. Abraham lincoln's name off a high school in san francisco and there is no outcry out there. Then you know. The progressives are gaining power so to recap the far left wants to control what we have and what we do. And that's why the vote in georgia today is so important. I'm bill o'reilly and i approve that message by actually writing disagree. I want to hear from you bill. It bill o'reilly dot com in a moment. Something you might not know by. Now you've heard me speak about jeff brown my go-to tech expert and his firm brownstone research. His firm called the peak of the dot com boom and just issued another major prediction. So if you've got money. Invested in the market especially in popular tex stocks. This is critical information. Jeff sat down with tech minutes. Chris hurt to discuss something. Shocking he believes is on the verge of happening so you can watch that interview at bill. Five g dot com right now. That's bill five. G dot com jeff topnotch newsletter provides my listeners with research to let them know the best tech companies the biggest market opportunities before they appear on wall street's radar. It's the only way to win. In the market jeff's track record speaks for itself. He's recommended number one. S and p stock of two thousand sixteen eighteen and nineteen his subscribers see gains such as four hundred thirty two percent more in just day. Sometimes so please go to bill. Five g dot com. that's bill five. G dot com. Now now the o'reilly update brings you something. You might not know on this day in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight musician and politician sonny. Bono died in a freak accident while on vacation with his family in lake. Tahoe nevada ending the life of a worldwide celebrity. Here's the story born. Salvator bono in detroit february one thousand nine hundred eighty five. Mr bono moved to los angeles when he was seven years. Old as a young adult. He became a songwriter and singer at specialty records working with prominent producer. Phil spector. who's now in jail for life and singing backup vocals for the righteous brothers. You'll remember them while married to his first wife. Sonny bono met sixteen year old. Cheryl lynn circassian better known to the world. As share the pair began a romance then worked together and struck gold with their thousand nine hundred. Sixty five mega hit. I got you babe. Bono divorces wife and in nineteen sixty nine married share in august nineteen seventy-one two years later the couple's tv show the sonny and cher comedy hour premiered featuring the tall dark haired share decked out outrageous outfits with the moustachioed bono. Playing the straight man in bell-bottoms the shows run lasted until nineteen seventy four. When couple split up bono was elected mayor of palm springs. California and in nineteen ninety-four. He won a seat in congress. As part of his sweeping republican. Victory led by speaker of the house. Newt gingrich on january fifth. Nineteen ninety eight sonny. Bono went skiing by himself in the mountains. Near lake tahoe. He never returned. After hours of searching a rescue team found his body. Sunny had hit a tree causing severe trauma to his head and ribcage. Doctors believe the sixty three year old died instantly. Despite the divorce shared delivered the eulogy at sonny bono's funeral his wife. Mary was appointed by the governor to fill his congressional seat in california. She went on to win reelection. Six times sonny. Bono's tombstone simply features his birthday death and the words the beat goes on. Which of course was a major hit for sonny and cher back after this. Thank you for listening to the rally. Update i am bill. O'reilly no spin just facts and always looking out for you.

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Starblast Part 7

Capes & Lunatics: Sidekicks

58:23 min | 5 months ago

Starblast Part 7

"Episode keeps a lunatic. Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com coupon code southgate get thirty percent offeree shipping in a lifetime. Warranty can get there to the link on our website southgate media group dotcom s. You got parents. And you are listing over hazing luna sidekicks podcast. What about our quasar podcasts. Autozone birther bonded weapons symbols of his station ongoing cosmic. Hello and welcome back to the quantum zone episode one hundred and thirty eight yes. That's right one hundred thirty eight episodes of slower blast. I am bill joy joining me. It's always master the quantum zone i am will ever and master of the early whitehead builds this me matt. I everyone setting computer. Who did aright still still going backwards. Part six tonight. We do parts one of the part seven last week we did. We do both parts seven last two weeks. Maybe star blast horrible. It's like a temporal exactly like that so anyway What's up Kona how goes the hot. The halloween watching it's It's a slog man would doing two episodes after this. I'll be up late tonight. So i mean just recording barely watch. The movies is it is it. Is it kid harder to find like movies to watch. What is this like. Your is this like the third year in a row and thirty. I mean not. I mean there's a bunch of stuff. Ibm i guess getting harder to pick quality stuff. Perhaps that's easily accessible without having to pay money outside of the streaming services that we already pay for nine. Yeah nobody does talking about my wife yale division. I have been watching a movie a day in talking about it and releasing a podcast. Today in the month of august called gilman recap and It's it's tough. Listen to our tired. We are but we must some good stuff. Today we watched a couple of. What do you call it movies which have been pretty good with just three films within breaks things up a little bit. I gives us more work while i was just reading tonight. is a horror movie but it is a halloween movie and a nice short one for you. it's the great pumpkin. Charlie brown is going that allah tv and they said they said it's going to be free for. What is it like the last couple of days around halloween or something so for the last ones if you can you have if you want to squeeze in a short one. It's what half an hour it is it is a classic that's for sure yet. Comedy comedy. horror well a little bit. I mean we. We did This movie from nineteen eighty one called monster club the other day that is a. It's definitely has comedic elements to it. And it has both vincent price and donald pleasence senate servers like to errors of more by it takes place. It's basically an adult g that takes place with a vampire in a horror writer. Go to place The monster club in wolf men party with ghouls and vampires. There's there's like a different bands between each movie played monster theme song and so yeah. That definitely had some funny stuff. Oh no we haven't done like shaun of the dead or yeah yeah now. I haven't. I never saw that. I liked the first one. I didn't see the second soggy land. Haven't seen the second now. Have you have you guys that. I'm not a big have you guys done. Any of the ghostbusters movies done ghostbusters. Ezulike like dog trying to break into my room ray now scratching on the door ask guys ever do. I mean i'm not a huge horror fam- but the first resident evil movie. I thought it was just a really really good movie. You know it. I haven't seen it but but maybe a thought the thought of maybe doing a video game are like salmon. Who was around. Yeah yeah i'm well. I'm watched the resident evil throw long Play bitten fifteen years. I definitely remember being scared by the video game a little bit kinda old but just not although the video game that probably scared me the most was just probably a the original friday the thirteenth from the nintendo just. Because you're just running around this campground and then all of a sudden music hits the jason comes in at a nowhere with a mass for some reason skills. You real dead. I think we're getting we're getting inside into psyche. What his had him was gonna music. Music is say you. You should have a bait. You should have like a couple of people over for halloween night. And watch like scooby doo. Movies everyone scooby doo. You need to who you are. Do a stretch out your door and we'll still watching us Oh you're an enterprise now yes. We're on normal halfway through the fourth season at this point. Oh nice about to get to that final episode reicher insurance. I've i've read about. That was a little bit. I haven't watched while we're probably we'll probably get to it this weekend. Drop in prize. Then i will probably move on. I don't know we've kind of the little bit on a discussion around. Maybe going back in trying to do the original series i. There's certain. I mean. I grew up with them so i watched them in the afternoon after school. But your wife is not wasn't it wasn't feeling. Yeah we jumped out the next gen that and then discovery might discovery and we did watch the card. So yeah i was gonna. Discovery is good. Yes season three. The premier just came out last week. So they're only like ten episodes prosciutto or trying to remember because i been stillwater though. I thought it was a little more here. Let me look at the An app that keeps track all the tv shows Yeah i thought it was a little more than ten but yeah we'll look it up right now. It's like season. Three's going to be interesting. So it's kind of like gow on a spoilers. Kind of uncharted territory stuff. They haven't done before cool. Well kinda they have not the way. They're doing it all right. Season one is fifteen episodes. Maybe and then season to add another fourteen interesting number of a of a streaming services seem to like ten or twelve. You know and then. I mean unless they're not all listed yeah. It looks like season. three's can be. Thirteen sergei doubted episode every. Step down cool often. I guess there's a below decks going on right now season one already That was only jose that was only eight or ten. Yeah that's it's it's don't they don't expect anything serious. It's a lot of like cute now. It's easter egg references. It's like adult swim cartoon network humor but they throw in a lot of star. Trek easter eggs got like what is that The what does that conan like the end of episode two or three. There's like a statue in the greatest starfleet officer in history. And its chief. o'brien abgal. He can fix anything no mention to. You could say mccue a couple of times mentioned but they never say what is to janeway maneuver going back in time and you people home early Leading with a full coffee in your hand. Yeah yeah. we enjoyed voyager. Some people crap on it. But i'm like why am i good. I i do have issue with final episodes because it was just like anywhere in the delta quadrant where the delta okay done whoa wait a minute at the end but it's like yeah you know just felt like they should have set that up to be like a but i mean at least i'm here smart part of everything spoilers. It was like a board thing but at least that was the only episode the board or in the board had been in an been there in the past but i mean it was hey and they didn't even really get home. It's like ships came out to see them were. Hey there's earth and roquettes. But but i get all the ships come in because they came out like a bore guy kanu never so it's like oh crap their you know their own q. Coming out or the always been assimilated. It was it was. It doesn't hold up to all the things next gen 'cause i have to say. Don't get me started about the deep space. Nine finale of our building up to this space nine in all rights like certain parts of lake like cork stop. But it's just. I don't know it's just the whole space station aspect like the kind of more stationary Who sony characters is kinda hard to satisfactory. I mean they've been building the emissary the dairy he was putting their jake disappear. You he was basically made Made him be born so that he could come and save them by throwing a bad guy into a big frequent hole. You couldn't get really. It was somewhat of a letdown. I know you said your wife. Watch picard card. There was nothing with a little bit dark. I now that i've seen voyager. I note seven oilers. I know what seven nine did that was at this point so the of bloodthirsty in in dino each have your job. Yeah oh that's that one. Yes not a ceremony is in sorry and and shoe you. You know hugh yeah. They need to bring more of those next gen. People like season two or whatever. Yeah and i think there's talk of this janeway is going to be coming back in like nickelodeon show. Yeah they're doing a star trek cartoon. I think the premise was like a bunch of teenagers or something. Get a hold of like a decommissioned ship or something it was start genius was not exceptional up your oddity prodigy. Yeah sort of. Yeah yeah it was like a week or two ago. The nonce jihad jack. Kate mulgrew come back to the voice of janeway throw. We chatted a little bit about it and our money. Just if you take out the average episodes average amount for the series next. I think is still the top. Yeah we actually like wardrobe better than the s nine. Same here and enterprise of fun but it's also kinda is kind of annoying because they're like we don't know anything about the romulus like freaking run. We know the audience knows the don't know you like come on. That's that's what drives me crazy about like prequels because it's like you know they made it after all the other series but the supposed to take place before all of them so it's like the special fat you know your special effects are better than like the original theories be too flashy with the technology and stuff like i mean but i think enterprise probably gets a lot of hate but enjoyable show ocular stripe on scene where he goes think. I travel through time. I see people in the internet. Always like You know they just. They're just like i just like to believe that. You know that sam back at any leapt into this is starship ca. I hadn't thought of that. But i like it. I like it a lot. Other doesn't work with quantum leap because he was jumping his his mind. Yeah exactly are actually get this. This star blast issue jumping to a stranger world. that's right. hey it's going to cover you. Look quasars got kayla on the mind on the brain naked in the bubble bath so yeah quasar fifty five star blast part who knows who cares something supposedly barred six cover but yes i think what are we. Oh yeah Technically the seventh star blasted episode. We think so so. I can quasar fifty five from the one february nineteen ninety four the title. The title credits come. They'll page three. But i'll do now in a stranger land. I swear we got that during journey some point but probably not. Oh speak credit. Smart grunwald writer. John heaping pence ler aaron mcclellan incur. China's chang lederer. Paul beckmann colorist mike rock. What's editor ralph macho group editor. Tom delco editor in chief. Yes he the falco's even given not manny's any fancy nicknames. Nothing no special titles or anything. Yeah i now So yes it opens up says a psychiatric hospital somewhere. Since his discharge from the service over eighteen months ago the patient has lain in this twelve by twelve cubicle. Sleeping twenty hours a day. Even when he is awakened for his meals his mandatory exercise and his toilets. He keeps his silence evincing. No emotion no need except to return to his bed for an sleep. There are dreams and dreams are where he would much prefer to spend the remainder of his life when he was awake. Terrible things happen to him when he is asleep. The terrible things remain obey it would take something unimaginably dire for him the voluntarily traverse the wiki world wants more species is pop opening wakes up in calming so is this the original sleep walker all but he does have a moon on his head. So oh but then at that moments galaxy far far away as starship. The imperial fleet works through the solar system's major star trek aboard stand nine heroes of earth. Who have guessed nine who have commandeered the ship. In order to pursue alien festival through the stargate the unidentified aliens have kidnapped. A woman of earth possesses the most significant new power source and all the cosmos as well as being as significant other Dark store vanguard perran quasar captain marvel lockjaw The she suffered the intruders gladly as quasar says. Look at the screen. Something's not right. I've flown the gate path many times and i've never seen anything like this. My gather marvel think again. I think so. The viper losing power could are or have set some sort of be trapped worth it. Sound the engines are cutting out the earthers done something. Captain assume the command. I'm gonna quantum trump outside and check it out and quantum jobs but they don't look like here's a bubble around themselves. Shouldn't we have some people be thrown across the decker. Something out. where are you going. Dr vessel inside. The gates thermal will have allowed quasars people to think they are in charge needing happens vessel the imperial garden answer to earn district. So it's at the bottom. It says translated from the she are but i'm exactly a through My car that was supposed to come into play but in moments toll porter. Voyager and his tracker moon dancer have joined quasar outside the ship and when quasar is unable to ascertain what is stalling the vessel from immediately outside he quantum trump's still further with the to she warriors lockstep in his wake and a back outside the gate where we went in to see. What's that got company. I see some sort of power. Dampening device by the look of its energy signature. Hey wait there's some sort of anti matter device at its core a bomb. Think my pro made activated it. I've got to get it away from here before it's unbidden. Voyager helps quasar open a space to contain the vice that when detonation occurs later device is light years from the opening of the stargate free from dampening devices gripped the sheer ships subtly retains its version. Corinn's down work tunnel will ship it safe. And those small part thanks to this. Voyager fellow i wonder could have shied away quickly enough alone so much wagertalk tonight. I right at that moment. Several years away on the laboratory world the enigmatic experimental known as not only as the stranger scores earth beings of what interested this one to me do not be disingenuous great strangers. Surely you're instruments detect the pulse of an amount analysts energy residing within its form. Yes they do call grant for how it looks like a cosmetic body marketing the stylized shape of a star see behind his neck. The star brand believed to be from another universe still far from this one that none of this is properties resemble hours asserts can came to acquire this power source s to do with the earth being quasar. You've heard of this bargain. I'm offering you stranger resources to examine the power source for a movement from its host determine where it is from and how by get there and you bake. Keep the bryant. Why does this. Why does it place of origin interesting so much you expect there are many such are objects there. Perhaps trask not too. We have a deal. We do leave you to your work summoned me. If you require anything. I would be in. my ship. Acknowledged ahead of schedule tron at the spaceport. His mentor tearing up the bags. Clinton come on scar pin that forum. Frank don't let me down code back. I have currency depending upon your performance and again currently from the alien argonne. Yeah no indication that again are when you win an american music award a regional and oscar and taught. I told me all right nygaard whatever a it is not. Let us down marv night. If you do have that much energy despair you should be using it to export the sharia world strangers curious shop like we're we're hunting our battles skills giant should be. You should think of doing the same skills i'll ever need. Be your you mean plunder don't you skeleton negotiate not plunder. He would be very perturbed. Contrary to your scale. I go to explore. You went up to join me. Czar docks with ben grimm looking feel free to inform of them on the mighty skela drom elsewhere very disturbing doctor. I believe it to be pre cognitive. Keith still compelling that you it out that that you brought it out of yourself while that's just not right bad grammar. Dr some weird doc. I know but there are voices from another plane of existence on their way here i. I wasn't quick enough to do it. But again i'm a doctor not linguists night. No you don't see we're just you're disdain. Not because you're glad that i've snap out my vegetative state we're going to be invaded doc. You must believe me know about my abilities. Look i won't close my mind. Anything not with all those preposterous paranormal running around. But you're saying what you're saying is true. Would you have to do was gonna. We're we're in the world. The president arm as powerful paranormal. Dr clo- you want. We should he. I'm happy you become motivated again after all these months. I'm beginning to lose oath and you'd ever get over your guilt over. What happened during the war kid. A talk for kit. What's coming is going to make the world picnic and if you don't think we should do anything fine by me. Meanwhile okay. We're past that little booby-trapped thanks apart to your fellow. She ours and i just got a good lock on the star brand signature trail. Have your have your pilots said of course as follows gladiator. Snow a gladiator. I'm sorry about the hassle. Was earth guys taking command. Your ship and all. But you can't believe this star brand deal is you get my little posse in the vicinity of it will leave peacefully. Police at peaceably agreed. You may be held accountable for your violations of law right thinking jerk speaking of doctors in sick bay a watson captain marvel house hyperion yourself. He's recovered consciousness after having its neck. Broken gladiator last issue yet. Editor's note that's connected to an actual thing that saved the end. Lumpkin rock rock rock shocks the daca rock heads. Ninety two. Four nine physically. I'm feeling but i feel rotten. That i let you down and let that alien get the better of me. Hey we all have our heads handed to us now and then just favor and get better. Sorta will kill me. If i bring your fiance Mustered up. I wanted to mention something that she are over there. manta wasn't it. If they believe. So i'm responsible for the coma. She's in fighting our line. There was some sort of eat backpack. That as far as i can tell it somehow restored my control over the full economic spectrum. Still can't turn into it. Like i used to but ours are for the command duck. Got excuse me. Monica and ahead appears to be the world or the starbucks taken earth man already. Well looks vaguely familiar. Me as well gladiator. This is the world of the stranger. Voyager wound answer and i were imprisoned for countless to journey we can go further quasar imperial an imperial treaty with a stranger. We need strangers world alone. No she are citizen ever be a subject of his experimentation again. Okay then gladiator solar wind. I guess this is where we part company solar wind. I guess is where we part company. I'll symbol my troops and we're out here and stale gathering. join him. Everyone join hands with somebody. Teleport's darkstar louis chris. Chris filed lawn peru. Who would walk your dog with you period. Still lots in indy shift to travel. We'll have to come back for him. Thanks for the lift. As quasar quantum jumps out in pertinent earth and do not like him in a board scantron ship in the chamber of his most trusted aide fabric. Can't your me man. i'll do what is this inconvenient. Lifeforms could earth. Irs gotten through my stargate blockade skelter on must be notified trinkets on the stranger's planet. I swear looks different than well. Part of it that that's part of it like this towards the end member. He had all these different different Yeah environments yeah But star blast doesn't have the money of our journey all right so we'll see quasar allies flying out over i. I've been here before. We're looking for a huge adrian. The way quasar constantly assumes command is annoying know. Yes my brother. Pizarro visit says silent one just then cumbernauld burglar where he come from binary marvel subdue him. I'm killing on okay. Let's give my new energy manipulating parish of real workout. It's attacking don't hold back stranger. No i met him. Once seemed to have met bay. We can follow. Quasar awesome tyler. What's unexpected pleasure. He show fees a again her. I can't. I can handle this beast. Go help someone else okay. Enough of this and genetics binary you shoot when you see giant. I'm just gonna pronounce that question marks. All all is me. There are kucha has delta area. Sounding blow now comes to finish me off. All lecture poor peru do absent besides barred that with the fury of the lightning that is in soviet. Russia had standards minus the power to repulse all energies. Used against me. But i am unable to bring it into bear gets a screening jackal further. I'm losing my ability to fly. What have you done a strong as you are. You cannot block all the ways i can. Attack the guy with four on last acres aright once more an unimaginable distance away. Dr won't believe me is going to be sorry. Everyone's going to including me. I guess i could just let the world go hang castrophe soon. The before the earth will affect me to do something but it would mean making peace with my other self might dream for putting myself in the position where once again millions of people could be affected if it if i mess up in some way. I don't see how i have a choice. If i failed to do something. Or if i try to do something and fail either way out still be responsible why i have to be in this position. I'll never know. I didn't ask for this responsibility. I guess i can hide away inside my own. Private jeep dreamscapes no longer. I'm going to have to act if everyone to know peaceful sleep again doing enough to some in night mask from the recesses of my mind pray he can do something to save the world. We walked my way into the nineties. A newer universe. And then a sergeant. No i forbid you to go down to the stranger's world account allow three of you to jeopardize the treaty. listen gladiator. this is very important to us. The three of us and maybe others prisons in experiments in on stranger for almost three cycles did unspeakable things to us whether anything else in. This universe relate to extract extract. Vengeance upon may never get another opportunity. Like this sorry. Remind cake benefits away from him. Okay i appreciate what you must be feeling but your duty to the imperium must come first. That is how you feel pray tour until the emphasis solar wind winter in moon. Dancer your by resign from the imperial guard teleport and teleport back in the middle the fight. We're i got into the where the greatest concentration earth people were. perhaps the stranger is nearby hard. How do black bolt blackballed silently grappled with. Ford's men scar positioning him. In front of the giant. Ny korn whispers the mir syllable and cynicism towards daikin comrade in arms on a shockwave equivalent to a ton of tnt. Who are if. I ate the terrance in their skirmishes with these known entities. Perhaps they will assist us in our vendetta against this roads master so breath adam is power is literally blowing smoke. What the giant come down in nicholas created the portal for vickers. The fall through safely dory blue one. You be crushed. Uk binary tumble somewhere teleported by. Who by of sorry to know. Is that chris by me. Blizzard wait now because he was a case of all. The word bubbles. Come out of a female. You read their earth's or i will drain this one of every speck of lifeforce mechanical. Not far away. I am very nearly through alice's skeleton. You are sure. I did not expect to go so quickly. I have been doing such procedures for eons saw. Can you tell me where the star brand is from. Not while it's still on her person. I will have to remove it first then proceed. Great scientists for seat in close by was he quasar. Flying these corridors are clean complex. I've half a mind the burn right through them all. But if i'm but i'm afraid of might hit a reactor or something hold on kayla. Please hold on. I'm going as fast as i can in ohio. I'm gonna make your tormentors pay and the next issue box has to be continued in star blast three theoretically that the bottom of the letters page next more star blast. Than-thank you in that. Last page is actually kind of cool. I hadn't realized that they're standing standing on Under the floor. A transparent thing was going to say. I also say how many of you wasn't chief floating in tank of something before. Is that what skeleton. They put them on. The also face sort resembles the popular superheroes swaying over pressing to red buttons. Name had a little more action but again it's like okay. The out of the they got out of the stargate and then got into play. I was a little weird the way it was cut to. 'cause you'd be right in the middle of the action tonight mascot yes okay and it's like oh hey we're not going to like connect us any word bubble but yeah. This is all translated from an alien line. What at least one or two grammatical errors right. Oh oh yes. We were going to extract vengeance from this. Whole thank extract. You're gonna take it away from you. We got up a drill bit in on the canned from the ground here strangers about do the kayla man. But yeah i mean. Are they just dragging this out. Because it seems like none of these issues has like a ton do it know. It seems over the impressed at no it. A lot happens but it doesn't seem like a lot happening. It was still was a bad issue. i think it's one of the better ones so far of the bond on in the better ones. Yeah yes just. I dunno green off you know. I don't know if it was because he knew what was coming or just juggling all these characters juggling all the characters are juggling a book still run captain america. Now and again i was. I was just thinking this. I'm like in in the quasar star blast issues. They never mentioned any fantastic. Four name were issued do they. Oh thank so no. I think things are blasting quasars. She's just say continuing in store. Blasts continued in quasar. So we're covering the mall free kids but seriously if you're only interested in quasar part e donington the touch name warren fantastic four. Yeah even deal with the on numbering. I mean that. I find really strange. They would have done it. Where ways are starsailor star. Blasts in those were number and the others were just crossovers. That weren't number right there. Just take him up. You could story. Then they were the sell books so they're like hey man fantastic name or need some help man asked. They didn't actually number them correctly. And it's you're right. It just seems like the secret defenders. The name book the they'd four are completely disconnected. Nothing if they do really impact. What's going on here. Nothing that's happening here really impacts them. I mean i don't accept skill. Transcending the earthquakes. I don't know that this dave quasar even still the fantastic four neighbor. We're doing that on her. Assure you probably read about it during bird. ucla Remember on case files house. That's what was going on out there some shrimp today. more man. what's up killing somebody relatives and send it in the end but looking at the schedule yet sets continuing star blast three which will get to dot two weeks next week fantastic. Were three eighty five type. Kona it's getting Clubbing tanya rate. I think ray comment on it. So many of these bad guys are just even. I can't tell. I can't who knows who they are. They just made up some alien looking characters at even there is basically just you know like we said it's in week one skeletal or in a matron combined their loves all somebody was an. Ra said his name too many times. Who wants to hear rayfield that store. Let's go. I hear wonder probably womb. It is four minutes and six seconds. Yes because i was gonna say kazaa Digital to but gac has on a little was complaining. That raid loved kona morrison. He's been sending longer feedbacks do because because on little that long Sorry people The computer got stuff at different spots. goes austral's now. Sure this all right. Everyone hope this is your first episode of the quantum zone but yes we're going to hear feedback from our friend. Ray oh come on. Never mind after give. New computer are going to give permission for the share stuff. I don't know why my frigging computer but anyway all right Post i agree with ray. Right bubble boo boo. So yes so. You won't see this time but you hear feedback from ray host the last tons of kryptonite superman podcast to know hers to her. A spiderwoman podcast. I can hear him right here on this podcast last tuesday of every month talking with me and mr kona. They're all things scarlet spider and of course his baby the big one into the night. The moon knight. Podcast all right. So let's see what ray had to think about this masterpiece corners. This is right guarantee lead some thoughts four quiz fifty five a continuation of the stop loss. Extravaganza actually read a close on again an all based full theorized mediocre characters held my interest a little bit more than than some of the others. started i guess the the main themes of this would be mutiny or rebellion because We get a kind of remember. All the names The stop loss skeletons that big giant and the ping lock guy they to jump off away towards the stranger bank anyway and then also the imperial god we we had three Solo wins is winds. Sola wants to conduct wreaks vengeance. On him they leave. Gladiator and and leave the imperial god. So a few things happening and also the strike gen skeleton on of course experimenting or the strange experimenting on when kyla a lot of moving parts he a lot of fun but i guess the money pitiful for me is the guess the characters the main characters again because many times They're all kind of third forthright characters. I mean it is fun to the of. I mean black belt. Hardly gets a scientist. I would have liked to paint as well But i'm learning. I mean paren- he. He's he's kind of in the mold of thorough hercules which is pretty fun wouldn't mind is that the do that gets Energy and he he gets offended by that grinning stop-loss interesting as well. Oh and also yeah again. The other story That tie another character is at nine mosk. I'm second thought. Catchy hospital there's a little sod and cut. It reminds me a little bit of sleep walker. I know nothing of this sky. But he seemed to have a dream person or a dream state conversion of himself a wife from his physical state. so we'll see how that affecting. I mean this this saga stunning to get quite bloated with with really need this kind of call him new characters but not really popular characters. Anyway it will be. I mean some good five forty forty the joint same so powerful and rebellious. He seemed to be pretty easily defeated by the doxa policies. I'm just walking out saw. Bb to win coming through to the recording but which offer the drop bears. Yeah not the average comic. But i kind of enjoyed it. Maybe on par with the submariners comic loss little adventure. He the the reveal of the last issue. The trap that was set for them was pretty easily nullified by quiz. I actually loved it more quietly in this bit. It being comic but anyway it should be plenty of characters voice in the the rate true. Look toward alby reading through it again. Whilst listening i'll catch a letter said this one is on par with a man in a speedo for a opponent in a really long going down for underwater. That's true i can. I mean we knew this was coming. But it's like if ray can't defend these issues raise usually mr positive finding. It's not i mean when when the standard is journeys or cosmic collision or even came after cosmos. That's pretty pretty awesome and are not bad. It's just not rate nudging not good. We're not used to. I mean we got used to really great. I mean once journeys kickoff waivers great for good two years you know i mean it was lots of really really good issues I mean that the sweet spot was probably. Yeah from what journey until we hit marvel would probably from about thirteen till about forty used forty one. I think that's really the prime day and we can talk more about this when we do our own. All percentage fifty. That's right. i was thinking about that today too. I was also thinking. I know you broke it down in the segments will so i was thinking to sty think of some. What if what if they wanna take it in a different direction des moines. So yeah we'll all we should probably at some point discuss dp seven okay because the new universe impact on his book you know and i think and i have no inside information. This is all just me being a you know dan board from way back. I think grunwald had real honest love for the work that he did in the universe with dp seven and anything else that was over the war. Pit all of those things that which is why i think he really wanted to bring them into the marvel universe star brand while we got this story because oilers but they'll let but now it seems weird now is it almost seems like star brandon like leave. They played like it's a part of this universe and it's always been that way and i understand it. I've read a lot of the new that a hick was that a hickman on Of injuries i think maybe but jason aaron still do that over. And 'cause like you know there was a star brand baby now. You know everyone's like oh who's the mother. God let it be kayla. Now it wasn't it was just someone because that's the thing it's like. Is that new universe earth so hang in there and to know her house about to spoil something but now i will say you know who still there. I don't who knows who knows aren't any final. maybe it will be addressed win Up again in guardians of the galaxy. Maybe i don't know how it i mean you've been reading hall crate. I mean he's pulling from a lot of different areas of hulk. So that's true that is true. A lot of there is so much really interesting stuff. That a new series of quakes are could delve into you saying like tackling some of the corners in the marvel universe. That have you know people have been exploring and allow for the last twenty or thirty years made clear come on komo marvel. We'll do for pennies on the dollar. Come on right. You have a writer. We have a call to cook writer rate reiter of high. You know we've got a comedian. Got this covered. We've only got this. Just the your lewis hired chris. Sprouse or Mark brooks farm. Ru or i'm just gonna start naming my favorite artist right now. Adam hughes alan davis just give us give us mark bagley. We'll call it. it has go pick one. Yeah art atoms ago. All right anything else on the will only no. I think we should keep talking to the fall asleep. Autos don't i'm not gonna be excited talk the more like he's gonna fall asleep on. Yeah prime caster contention up petition. Watch he stay up and watch a movie while you want them. Keep it up for his wife right horror. All right so yeah. Let's get out of here. Let look arrest. His probably doesn't watching final resting player. You know what it sounds like. It sounds like a movie arrested for his glory and it's just a graveyard of h. m. Run a pet cemetery the boring pet cemetery. Nothing comes back. alright or and everyone. So yes your thoughts next week. Fantastic four three eighty five. So you know cone is gonna put on a st accent reloadable ads right all right so and then followed in two weeks star blast number three. Send your thoughts just like gray. The impressed like ray Email us came in lunatics. Chemo dot com or call the voicemail. 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Colby Covington and Al Iaquinta Have Something To Say

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Colby Covington and Al Iaquinta Have Something To Say

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Also of you're welcome. I'll tell you I gotta get right into this. It seems as though all hell broke loose oh in the last. I don't no five days so okay. Let's start at the beginning. I'm out in Connecticut. I'm with Gilbert Melendez. We just got a couple of cups of coffee. We're we're headed back to the hotel. We just finished up so he gets a facetime call and it's Nate Diaz Gilbert call what's up nate wife sitting right there. There's nothing I can do do. I'm right there with Gilbert and nate doesn't know on there. It doesn't know he could be overheard but he tells Gilbert. I'm headed to practice I. I'm fighting Mas Vidal and and tonight so I I workout now. That may not be news to you guys right now but let me rewind where we were when this happened a- as as a world where we were at was. Kobe was fighting Kamara somewhere that falls through and I don't. I don't think it was on Kamara side. I believe the rumors that Colby was the one that was unhappy was holding that up so it looked as though Mas Vidal would be stepping in and fighting who's Mun then all of a sudden the facetime calls. Everybody's out Mazda in with this was this was there's a real whirlwind but it was very interesting to me for a number of reasons. What love the fight all excited all that nice stuff but as you look ahead I'm going to wait the way this generally work. Mark is if Kamara is to fight colby and that's on top of a bill somewhere championship is on the line because tomorrow's bring it and Colby is out General Camara still in Kamara spot is in stone engraved and it's going to take place but now they need somebody put the passengers. That's generally how we see this. We don't usually see both the whole fight. Just come off the car and the reason that's relevant is because it is a major question of what are you. GonNa do with Kamara next and by the way when are you going to do with Colby next usually usually that would never be a question because Kamara would just get a new opponent we would know that and he's got to figure out what to do with the other guy in this case. Kobe because they're both been removed moved and they're both the best answer for each other is still seems to me like maybe maybe you try to fry that egg. Get that back together. I don't know who else would have business with more. I don't know who else would have business with Koby and other both available so it's just an interesting situation. That's only the first somewhere along the way and I don't know what happened here but somewhere along the way call me and Mazda doll all get into a beef now before you go. We have their fighters. That's what they do. These guys are teammates. They used to be roommates. They are extremely a good friends and they got to see each other every single day in the training room. So did you get into a public dispute is Awkward Choline Agree with that. Okay go to a couple of days later fights. Khabib Post fight press conference poor guy who's also a teammate of Mazda. Kobe weighs weighs in on this took some pretty damn to wreck shots at Colby so it seems what a mess then you all show up the next day at three and you got to head to the locker room and change your shirts and put your gear on walk out on the map and it's a little bit awkward so I spoke with Colby. I asked him some of these questions. I want you guys to listen to that now so coming out to Madison Square Garden Watch you fight for a world championship. I'm bringing my father-in-law. Thurlow with me to watch you fight for world championship and now I find that you won't be at the garden fighting for world championship. Tell me what happened will i. You know I wanNA talk about so. I'm a little delighted and frightened at the same time talking to you again. You know I'm delighted because you've had my back since I was a little kid wrestling organ you I know you. You've always supported me since the beginning but I'm a little bit frightened shale. WHO's protecting the streets Borgen right now. Hey this. I'll tell you what there right outside the door Koby. I'm still running this town. I'm still running this town my friend the people can sleep safely okay. I had a little bit nervous while while we're here and you're there I'm here I don't. I don't know who's protecting the streets organ. We need to keep the crime off the streets of Westland. Oh we could definitely use you. I thought you were insinuate insinuate that I let no. I'm still here man. I was born in West. I will die right here. That's what I like to hear. I gotta ask you though so tell me I'm Kobe what happened so you. Kamara GONNA fight him. I'm you guys. GotTa Fight Right. You've got a belt and he's got a belt. That doesn't work so you guys have to get together. Dummy would happen yeah. There's only one fight to make. Everybody knows it's it's only leverage levers. Marty fake newsman for the unification bout. I mean there's so many different angles at this fight but what happened. Is You know He. He never signed a contract you. He was refusing to fight. Everybody Tale Tale not only did he refuse to fight me. He refused to fight George Mostow. All he refused by Leeann Scott. He doesn't WanNa fight anybody so you know how can I find someone. They don't want to fight anybody. It's not Leon Scott by the way it's Edward Edwards. WHO's got got to go google that I know. There's something funny there but I miss it that is goose Bruce King Edward's. Did you say something about Eve's Edwards. I'm going to have to go look up Scott but I love. I love what you're going. Okay you gotTa tell me this so first off that fight isn't going to happen happen or at least not at Madison Square Garden Koby. Are they still in talks for that. Fight is going to happen. I mean there's no one else to fight you. It would be unsafe to put anybody in there that was at the top guy in the world for actual harm and fear they can't just move down the ladder and throwing a number six or eight. That's just not responsible the other side of the coin who's GonNa Fight Kamara. I mean it's gotTa be you you gotTa. Find Him. He's got to fight you. I WanNa understand this but something's missing so we look into a different date. I guess that's what I'm asking or. Is this talk off off the table for now. Now the talks on the table you know potentially talking about maybe doing vegas in December. I propose idea that we go to the state capital I go to Washington. DC right down the street for the trump's at the White House you know and and in a bigger platform on the ESPN because we pay per view is dead model jail. It hasn't been the same since that you left so you know the the wells dried up so there's only one place colby chaos tended to be going and that's on the big black possible. ESPN so you know they're still talks talks but we'll see what Mardi think was mistaken injuries. Are I respect that so I guess we were at is the as is gonNA fight mas tall. Is there any part of Mazda now being the headliner which failures was your spot. Is there any resentment there is that hey good for you. And when do we start training me. It works out all stand. you know as far as him you know. I there's no resentment because I could care less. I'm I'm a better athlete. I work harder jail. I Bang harder hotter chicks. I make bigger paychecks. Why would I care about anything he's doing. He's fighting for the journeyman title. They made it. They said that they meant that the journeyman mother title so he's fifty fifteen his last four fights until if you look at his last Tanis five and five so he's a job he's a bum I could care less what he's doing but all all the matters is the business between me and Martin is at the top of the Division for the World Championship fight. I'm not worried about that. Stop this Roy. Ads what's he won in one last three years. He got wiped up on the map by Raphael. Does he got wiped out by Dunlop. Kim these are two is it. I completely outclassed jail and you know so. Those guys are just irrelevant. Spend the division. They're fighting for gatekeeper journeyman titles. I'm just wondering though because I did. Here's some of the comments that dust emporia made after his loss to beep veep and when you have to practice if these guys show up to practice is things weird I mean they're your teammates but you are the champ. How how's how's that work. Yeah thing things are definitely going to be weird. You know I it comes out of jealousy and bitterness uncle jail these guys you know that they're doing there wishing they can do what I do and and they're mad that where I'm at and what I do for a living and they would make the paychecks so you know there is going to be a little jealousy we might there might be a brawler rolen. Att You know we might come fist blows so I'm prepared for anything. The thing is that these guys have law but they know what would happen if if if they step to me. I beat their ass so so you know I'm not really too worried about them. They gotta worry about me. So how does that work. I mean let's say practices tomorrow at three o'clock and you show up and you know they're going to be there but you guys. I say something you just get on the mat to stay separate sides of the room. What's that look like yeah. It's GonNa be interesting because you know those we kind of all trained at the same time the WPRO classes at certain times of the day at American top team so I'm sure Dan Lambert my agent is is gonNA figure it out and figure out time schedules Rickaby in there at different times but you know I'm. I'M NOT GONNA be too worried about it. I'm not I'm not looking to avoid anybody if they want to if they want to understand that you know it's just business and they don't understand that then you know we can settle the man. I got you know I'm I'm the best fighter in the world. I'm not going to be scared if I do the James if you're jealous of what I'm doing so you know we'll see you know we might cross each other in the bathroom Jalen I. I can't promise that that I'm going. It'd be a nice guy aren't Kobe so let's back up to this past weekend could be lockport. Khabib went out there could be does. We impressed now. I wasn't impressed at all because we all know that. Dustin can't stop a nose bleed me also can't stop stuff could be taken down so I saw dust and training camp in America. Team is getting taken down by high school. Level wrestlers in his wrestling is just not there so I wasn't impressed at all you know can be you know he's being all these guys that can't wrestle you know if you bought a wrestler and a well rounded a fighter like myself. I would completely exposed him and knocking out so you know. I wasn't impressed by the sheep over the weekend do you do you think that there is any chance said he changes weight classes two two one seven and the reason I ask that Kobe's he has seemed extremely disciplined in many of us call outs or even being gene called out by George saint-pierre of saying come down to one fifty five and I'll fight you but I've just notice how disciplined he was to say one fifty five He. He doesn't appear to be a guy. That's interested in the champ champ thing or coming up for big fights that same opinion of them yeah. I get that same opinion before I had my doubts you know he was missing is a way to fifty five and it looked like you was surely going to have to come up to one seventy and I was looking my chops because I know how easy that is because the guy can't strike all those wrestling. That's awesome I've been doing since I was five years old with you up in Oregon so they're not ready for that organ wrestling pressure tail and you know there's a reason he stayed at what fifty five he knows. I'm the King of walkaway division. He knows that's a terrible matchup self. You know I'm not surprised of course he's GonNa stay down in little kid way class while I rule the men's weight class of course all right Kobe I'm issue about it. I gotTa tell. You I'm happy to talk to you. We do miss out here. You got anything else. You want to get off your chest. do. I have anything else. I mean that's that's pretty great. I'm just getting ready for the next fight. I'm ready to go. I'm healthy and it's all in the court. I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. I'm just asking for what I what I deserve. What I earned jail. I put my life on the line for this company. In Brazil you know had multiple death threats. You know I went out of my way Shirley to sell show so you have seen I return everything under her under promise and over delivered you know some of these guys they over promised under deliver so they need to pay me what I deserve an and just something fair. I'm not asking anything research. Also you have to make this right. You've convinced me buddy and I hope that they do Kobe. We will see you soon. Talk to you soon. Buddy have a good one all right there it was. I mean I don't think you can. I don't don't think I could ask questions any clearer and I do not think colby could answer them anymore. Direct I mean. It looks like it's going to be awkward. Training Environment and I will tell you that that interests me. I'm interested in that drama for whatever reason and these things for a team could be very detrimental. I mean they really can be that from a lot of teams are very open that hey we're all competitors and we all are in the same organization to the same thing we're likely cross paths when that happens we'll go out there and compete and we'll be right back here on Monday at three o'clock and helping each other ready for the next thing. I mean that's a very real thing I'll give you an example to the price sounds a little weird combat back but when I grew up in wrestling rooms that's combat too but you openly have to wrestle off against your teammate to see who's going to be varsity to see who's GonNa be junior varsity. I mean you know that on day one when you walk in there not maybe we're going to run into each other foreshore. We are going to go at it. In front of anybody. That wants wants to watch and whoever wins will get the spot whoever doesn't kind of goes from there so it is a real thing. I miss a real thing where you can have teams that go out and compete with one another. I I just will look back you will remember John Jones and Rashad when they were both training with each other both making their way through the division looking as though hey we're probably going to run into each other. Rashad is the champion. John Lewis on his way to being a number one contender. What do you do. I guess you gotTA fight but that be created a problem a problem to the point that Rashad left the gym. You'll have other teams and the teams had changed so rapidly. You know I'll go back to MMA when I very first started when I very first I started. There was three guys in the room. Dan Henderson Randy couture myself that was it somewhere along the way we got a fourth and a fifth body and slowly we are up to about six skies and that was all that would come into practice and the way practice look does every day we would get together at the same time everyday somebody would eventually say big loves little gloves. We look around the room into a popular vote. If more guys want big gloves that we put on big loves if more guys what we put on little then we walked out on the Mat and we thought we smart and then we go home and this worked. We had no coach. There was no form. It was just eight time to be there. Bring your gear and then we went randy was world champion. Dan was the top star him pride incomes Matt Linlin. He gets a number one world ranking next thing you know. Evan Tanner joins the team he goes on a Wednesday world champion and plus. We had a bunch of up and comers porn on get it was working now. That would be silly right right now to train that way. It would be silly to not have a coach to not come out do a warm up of some level a stretch of some level work on specific drills and techniques each day that coaches showing you and then walking around the room and fine tuning them and making sure that you understand that would be weird to not do that but back then that concept would come up. I remember where we were. We were in Las Vegas. Randy lost to fight. Matt was on the same Car Matt lost and Henderson was in in Japan and Henderson loss. I think he lost to van delay. The point is three guys in the room. We're all on top of the world. All got beat the same weekend and and Randy said that's it. We're changing everything. We're bringing in a coach. We're going to have official. Practices will officially have segments of the from the warm up to the instruction to the drilling to the heart goes to the conditioning to cool down and that's how we're going to talk. That's weird. That's a that's a weird thing. That's what happened. We gotta find a coach Emma. My coaches just weren't around there wasn't even. MMA gems around atop gyms in the world just because we're one of the only jobs in the world so at any rate as I watched the evolution of anime happen it is a very real thing were teammates could run into one another colby and Mas Vidal seem to be getting along just fine and we're openly say no. We would compete with each other. We do it every day anyway. With what's the the difference if we if we did it in front of the world and we got paid for you know something along these lines but now there's heat. There's an issue. Kobe doesn't appear to care which I do think fun and let's see where it goes. Is Somebody GonNA get Hartfield. Just somebody not going to come back. Are they going to try to do a mutiny and have Kobe removed wbt from the I have no idea I'm purely speculating but there's something going on there and in many ways it's fun to watch listen up. I've been sleeping great great these days. 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September tenth on Apple podcast brought to you by podcast one now back to your welcome with jail. Son Is all one hundred seventy pounds right now appears to be a little bit of a mess and it's a mess but the message should should be for the guys in the division what incredible opportunity and I don't know that it's just a lesser seven Patterson. I think everybody can observe. What's going on and see that there's opportunity look. Let me back up so how many times in my life I have been asked. How do I get into the UFC. How do I get in to Balladur and I've answered the question for anybody. That's asked me but anytime I answer the question. I'm giving suggestions. I'm giving guesses. Start in some regional show's star getting your name out there and start working on your record go to a gym every day. Get noticed make contact bill joy giving I'm giving guesses and they're all very good and they're all kind of similar stories. Everybody else's head but it's not the same. As how do I get into the NFL. I could tell you exactly how to get into. How do I won the Super Bowl. I can tell you exactly how to win. The Super Bowl right from going to college to get drafted did the joining the team to make the playoffs to have more points than the other guys when time runs out do that a few times advanced to the finals win that game boom you the super bowl champ. I tell you from a competitive architecture standpoint how to get that done. You asked me how do I become a schoolteacher. I could walk you through the process of getting your degree sticking around. Get your teacher typic- I could walk into the. I think you understand what I'm saying. anime another eight is different though and I just have to give you guesses I could point you in the right direction. I could tell you commonly what is done when you look at one hundred seventy pounds sounds it is a small microcosm of a much bigger picture here which is the opportunity comes knocking very fast in the sport very very quickly. I will tell you to tie this into myself when I got into the UFC that it was very simply. I was a big Fan and and I followed it online and one day and it was like a week before fight or something such short notice. Baba Loo was supposed to have an opponent and that opponent pulled out Baba Louis had an opponent. That's it I saw that and I thought nobody's GONNA WANNA fight. Bob Lives Scary Guy. Bob Lose a rough son of a gun not gonna WanNa find him on a week's notice. He's a main card. He's been advertised advertise pro. I'm your guy. I sent an email to Joe Silva. We had never met. I got his email. I sent him off. I believe next week Joseph you are in. UFC sent over contract that was how it happened but many other things in my own career tied into me had happened from raise your hand snl do it and I think as you look at one hundred seventy pounds. There is something very special there two guys who are ready right. I mean we just thought we could go when Colby and Camara falls apart traditionally speaking Kamar would have stayed on that car traditionally speak and somebody else would have been put in there who's Aga- Mazda. Maybe Muslin already would have been tyron Woodley. Maybe styron ready. It's going to be Leon Edwards. Maybe is Leeann and there's a major benefit and a major opportunity. It's just being ready if you're a professional and this is what you WanNa do you should always be within striking distance of your way class. You should always be at the gym if you're buying into a false narrative about a training camp which means you're sitting on your ass the rest of the time. You're not putting yourself in a position to be successful. You're not putting yourself Johny position to have an opportunity and I just think as much as because there can also be a bit of a morale bust in the back when titles titles are held up you guys may remember to tie this into Conor McGregor you remember when he was the champion of the world and he left the sports entire year to go over and box Roy. Well imagine if the back. Oh man what do I do. I want to be world champion. I have no chance to be a world champion. As a matter of fact the world champion our sport isn't even in the sport right now. He went and got licensed to do something. You see where that would be a very real thing. Thank you also see that. If you're trying to promote the controversies floyd fight while not stripping him is beneficial. Let him go out there champion so you can see were there are some pushing poll but it also creates an opportunity and I will tell you I've talked to Shawn Shelby about this. I've talked about this many times many what's the best way A to get into. USC and they both say it's the same answer and they'll say you know what be ready. If you have a guy who's who's ready particularly geographically speaking if we're coming to your area we're going to want guys from that area on the card everybody in that area with the hope or dream should be prepared should be within weight should have a license so that they can step in. I'm expanding on their thought a little bit. I'm expanding this but it's very real and then once you get in it stays even more real except the opportunities are bigger instead of just trying to get a contract act in one of the major organizations. You're not looking to get main card fights in major organizations. You're looking to get main event fights. You could be getting title-fights just by being ready. I remember where I was. When Dana White calls me and wants to know if I can come to Vegas and a we can fight John Jones and you're talking about a world title fight and don't forget at that point in my life I had never been at the weight class before and I just I just was coming off a loss on the last guy that should be getting a call for a world title fight in fairness. There was nobody else the razor I said the day I said my the first Guy you're calling and he laughed and said no any told me what number I was. I I WANNA taste at eight. No you're the eighth guy something along these lines but everybody else said No. Oh nobody else wanted to do it and that that's stunning to me. That's stunning. Some guys just weren't ready. They weren't prepared John. Too Hard. They get whatever the reason was but it was stunning to me. That professional was not within striking distance of making wait did not have medicals together to get licensed on a moment's notice I and wasn't in shape. What kind of a professional is that. It just seems to me that it's very bizarre and I think there's any lesson that you can learn from one hundred seventy pounds. The no matter how low you are on the totem pole things change fast opportunity comes quickly. You can't make those things happen. You can't make somebody call you an offer you a spot but you can make sure that you put yourself in a position addition to be able to say yes to be able to accept those opportunities. I tell you countless times absolutely countless those were somebody's a number one contender not just what are the guys not just doing a good job the number one contender and they turned down a title fight whether they just didn't like the date or you know whatever the excuse could be thinking it will come again. Guys will sit out. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA wait. Wait for my opportunity. If somebody else comes in somebody else captures the imagination gets the mandate of the masses gets the media behind him against the spot countless times where somebody will lose that opportunity just because they're not in a position listen to say yes but it's very interesting that when you're trying to get into the organization you are always read. Your phone could ring any type boom. Yes I'll do it absolutely where I signed but once you're in and those same calls come but there's so much more so much more in the dreams on the line and people pass the message here is just to understand what it just happened. Two hundred seventy pounds what happened at one seventy will happen at one fifty five has happened at one eighty five will happen at to a five. We'll we'll happen. Absolutely everywhere cars fall apart somebody's to step in. WHO's licensed whose shape who's ready. WHO's in striking distance who can make wait. Who's GonNa say yes gamers. Listen up it is time to make some mayhem. 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Notice gave could be the hardest fight of convenience career not only by your your and is a perception but by means own admittance very special talent who've actually training somebody he's trying to the Bagel boss or the Bagel Guy. We'll find doubt about that training somebody for an upcoming boxing match. Let's get joined by ally China Chan my ace. What's Dude. I got so many thanks to ask you. Can I be silly for a second. The what's the BAGEL guide called the Bagel boss Tobago boss the Bagel now. He's the big guy he can't use. The big of Boston's Bega Bush got mad. They were associated moon alright. It's hilarious. I love it by the way but I gotta ask you. Is this real man. Is there a fight going down and they got a date book. I saw you traded him. I saw all sorts of headlines on. TMZ where we add on going down. It's September twenty third September twenty something instead of being Atlantic City east taking on man. I can't remember the guy's name but he's taken on some old old. Professional baseball players players talk. It's GonNa be a tough fight from what I wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute Alice. He's taken on Lynn's got. Oh my Gosh Josh. Is this the main event by the way if it's not the main advantage. It's the people's made event. That's the one that everyone act. That's what I was looking forward to see. I think it is actually the main of all right. That's actually that was more of a personal question. Let's get into business because you still hold the title you still and I know it's not one that you want but I'm proud of you for having it which is you are hardest opponent to date and that's not a slight on dust and that's just a tip have Kabieh man he is going out and he is smashing gene these guys. What did you make of what you saw. You know I I saw coppee. does Dustin. Just you know he had a few aw spurts of you know he had he had few spots in our it looked good but at the end of the day could be just did what he does listen. I think they dusty. Kinda got frustrated a little bit in the quarter. It sounded like the corner. I don't know it sounds like he was expecting something else house. You know he's he's saying. I can't get this guy off of me. I can't get space. It's like you knew what you were getting yourself into. It seems like you're it should have been a neutral neutral corner. It's like okay. This is what we expected. He actually landed a few shots in the second round. Go out there and do it again but it. Kinda seemed like they were panicking a little bit. I I thought I thought he fought for good and then he went to that. Guillotine looks like that Guillotine was tight yet. We were watching the fight at a local Bar McCann's out here on long island goes to in the place was packed and everybody was owning and is about that guillotine it looked it could be a great defense but it seemed like after he got out of that. Guillotine and he took the back. It seemed like Dustin. Kinda seemed like that was it for you know he he gave everything be had not guilty and I think that once you got that I was I was Kinda. There wasn't too much of a defense for the show and that's that's a real thing though right I mean when you have this hope spots some guys call it an Adrenalin but when you have a moment where you think oh my gosh I'm GonNa win this thing and then you don't and then you've got this knucklehead who happens to be an undefeated vida world champion on top of you. I mean there's a real thing there where you just where it's a letdown and it's hard to regain your composure. I mean if you're ever going to get stuck in a tight spot like rear nick. That's that's probably it right when you're in that letdown and trying to recompose took credit that's he got out of that choke and he was like that's it now. I'M GONNA kill really you know what I mean he he was it was it was Judd huge change in momentum. I think could be I mean. I don't know how how much trouble he was in. I'm GONNA say he was. He was a little bit of trouble he was. He had the defense down pretty cat. It looked like he was he was. It looked like he was prepared for that on. I don't know I think it could be huge just university for everything now. We're not going to run into a situation. This is not going to happen but hypothetical. I want to ask you. Luca's your top guy in the division. If George saint-pierre comes back to one fifty five he cuts the line in front of everybody and he gets the fight again. I know that isn't going to happen. If are you pissed off you go. Hey wait a minute. That's not right. There's some guys some heavy lifting around here. We deserve the shot. Where do you stand back. Go Man. That's George Saint Pierre. He's won a couple of tiles in different ways. If if he's he's here I guess he's the top Guy I guess. It's a little bit of both I guess a little bit of both you want to see. I think it's got to be totally. I gotta get that next shot I it. They ask Dana at the at the post fight press conference. He answered it very very weird. He said if Tony Ferguson accepts the fight yet. That's the fight and it's like why wouldn't he accept that fight so there's there's an underlying something there that he was getting at so. I don't know what I I don't know what exactly it was out. Let's let's start a rumor. I mean between you and I because I picked up on that too and just to give you a little bit of backstory more for the audience earliest. Dana tried to book that for I think it was four times was four times that fights fallen through power many it was he came out and said I will never book that fight. I will never even try to book that it and I realized things have changed and he's back on board but don't forget he said this on the heels of having Koby and Camara bowl say they wanNA fight each other two days prior to date of making the statement about let's see what happened. He loses that fight which was supposed to be as bad but he's got to bring in Mazda all versus the as a a whole new main event so perhaps there's a part of Dan. I I don't know anymore. Guys say they WANNA fight. I talked to they. Don't want to fight my clothes. I mean I think that it's it might be another. I it might have something to do with the money that they want to get paid. I think Ferguson was stripped of that in term title and he's no longer titleholder holder so they might they might be that might be a financial he might be taken a financial hit by finding as a non title older now and I think whether he never lost the interim title and he definitely deserves to be paid aid plentiful for fight like that. He's he's his resume in. La I mean what is what I don't know how I can't even count as high as he's one in a row I mean the guys just put in a tremendous amount of work in the division and can't do injuries and everything he deserves the shot and he deserves. We get paid for it so I really hope that they figure this thing out and make that fight happened and then you know the division can keep moving on. It seems like could be Colette. Fight unscathed and he did say he's looking to fight pretty soon. I think so I think that that's the fight to make AAC That's the fight to make now told he's been back. He had a great fight fight and it's just kind of happened no matter what like no matter what it is. I think that they're both on board and it's just up to the UFC that put it together. Now I agree. I don't know if I I don't know if I can ever. I remember seeing a fight scene a fighter in this case Tony I where more people were behind him for title shot. I mean he's got the media he had dust an and Khabib not only the champion but the guy trying to become the ball same although it's Tony for there's nothing we can. It's Tony Ferguson. We would never slide the radio and the ranking so bad. There's no way to cover it up if we didn't fight Tony for there's no PR department out there. That could cover this. It reminds me of a time and I didn't actually live through it. I had to read about it but there was a senator. A United States senator threatened Bob Arum and said I will hold a Senate investigation if Marvin Marvin Hagler is not given a world title Fight Against Sugar Ray Leonard Bob Arum said done. He's a new number one contender now. I realize Tony's not going to get to that level but for my lifetime from what I have lived throughout. I don't remember a time where he more people were back in one guy to get a title shot. Hey we gotta get. We gotta get the Senate involved we. We're GONNA have to have to get the government involved with this one. 'cause that's definitely find that needs to happen and in. George Bernard comes out of nowhere but even I think everyone would be disappointed if they want with him over Tony Ferguson listen. I think it's just it's just gotTa happen. Now's the time and I think that all the build up over the in the in the past and now Tony Coming back and getting the win could be defending the title now after after fighting Connor now this defense spreads it makes that fight just so much bigger and it's it's almost like kind of the pack. Yell Mayweather Affect to where it was supposed to happen there was talked about. It talked about talk about now. We finally get this fight dawn and I think that's that's the fight to make an promoted the right way as it should be will. We'll sell tremendously Scher. I agree with that all right enough about that. Let's get to you. You're mean guy. You're a rough guy in there. You're taking on Dan Hooker. He's a main guy. He's a rough guy in there. How did this come about He won his fight against James Vick and he called me out. He said he wanted to find the in Australia. Elia and I said Okay and that's basically how it went down it was it was pretty pretty easy. He made it seem like it wasn't but that's how it went down it was there was nothing to it he he was tweeting that. I wasn't taking the fight this and that but he he called me out. He wanted to fight in Australia Korea. I'm not I'm not one to I just say yes. I'm not gonNA Doug all well. Let's fight here do this do that. I was the one that approached the UFC with the idea of the fight. I guess he didn't approach. He said it I called the matchmakers said. Hey you know Dan Hooker Australia Australia and I think they kinda thought I was kidding because there is a fight at MSG and I think they were trying to make the fight. Ashi and I said you know he called me out. Eddie Colby out the final Stralia who am I who am I say yes but here and this and that it's just yes. The answer is yes you call. He called me out. I I like to fight. I think he's tough. I think people think I'm I'm you talk so I think the top mission can the even though. I think that I'm the talk this in and I don't think he's as tough I think the toughness probably cancels each other out and Murray GonNa see who's a better fighter and hopefully that the toughness doesn't play a part at least for me but I will be. I will be prepared for his toughness. I'll be content on putting the pressure on him. The entire fifty minutes that I gotTa tell you that that's an interesting analysis assist and that's the same what I would give if you weren't here right now. You guys are both so tough and known for your toughness that it's not the tougher guy that's going to win. It's going to come down to scale. It's going to be the better fighter particularly fifteen minutes. You love alongside. He loves you. Don't have all that long. If you have a normal sized fight and you're right. It's going to come down the skill absolutely fluids. He put on a great performances last one. He's he's been on the rise for a long time. The fight with Barbosa Corozzo was just a little quicker all just more experienced than and he it was just a kick boxing fight that it's a marbles is GonNa win that fight more times than not saw. I think that I have a more well rounded skill set. I think that I think I've just my experience. I'm a more experienced I think I've just been through. I've been through it. I've I've been through it I I. I think that experience was a big part of the cowboys are on a lot of experience reason. He's a good veteran. I think that I was out for a long time and I'm just I'm just hitting his stride. I think and and that fight really put everything in perspective and I think that fight when when all said and done I think that Cowboy Surani fight will be the best thing that happened for me. What do we have been great to win that fight yes but I think I learned a lot about myself. I think I learned learned a lot about what I need to work on and and I think there were a lot of things in that fight that I I could have done differently but I didn't and because because I I didn't with it was really just it was just his experiences experience and obviously he's a tremendous undecided with a great skill set and he strong powerful great kickboxing all all those things but I think that that the real x factor was that he's been in there. He's can you just a a a real good fighter and I'm getting there and I think that this fight great fight this show showcase and I gotta ask you Central Product Cowboy. He's getting ready to take on a number of days. Who Do you like there. That's a good that's a good fight. I think you know cowboy just really he fights so often and sometimes it works for them and sometimes I think it may not when he fought Ferguson Jason it was I mean he had to have still been pretty bad. I think it was a couple of four weeks after he fought me. I'm watching this fight and my legs are still buying like crazy from all the kicks and everything I wanted to that fights. It's not that I hope you went into the fight injure for my my soul. I hope that he went into that fight with some bumps and bruises he had to have it's not impossible. I'm not we were clashing shins. I had a bump on my on my Shin for like a month. There's no way that he could have gotten not quite one hundred percent and I think that he went out there. In the first round he was great and then he kind of started to fade and Antoni picked up the pace but Harley does that so you you he really can't I couldn't I couldn't tell what what the issue was. Tony does he picks it up as the files on and that's what he always does but I think that I think that that had to be a little bit of a of a whole something from that from that fight with me and him too he had that taken at least a week to off after that fight to recover and also he's gone right back into a fight like that. Tony phrases just crazy and he's a little off now for this a little more time to to to prepare but I mean that lasts fighting's Ferguson's. I was busted up. He had them taken some time. I am off after that fight to to heal up saw an gauges. He's as tough as they come me. cutty comes in he he goes goes for broke and I think that guy's put pressure on cowboy early. My might be something that it works. It works when when guys do that and that's something that gate you does so. It's going to be an interesting fight but I never you can never cowboys always he's always dangerous. He loves CEELO's what he does so it's I'm excited I agree. I agree. It's so hard to count either guy out. I think I think I think that five rounds probably a little better than it is for cowboy but that is a totally I mean. He went twenty five minutes with you. I thought its condition. Sheila good. I really did so may- maybe I'm dismissing something there that that I don't have the right to do I would think that it would favorite cowboy the longer it goes because was it seems like the fights that gets lost on the ones rating loses in like he'll get. He got stopped. I think in the fourth and the fifth round against against Dustin and and Eddie I believe so I mean it seems like he's he wins early likely do wrong. I'm just going off my my memory which is great to begin with the fight. Just nobody crasher. Eddie fight was actually scheduled for three. It was the third one point. Okay yeah so I mean. Let's say it's interesting but I do. I do think he kinda get you goes. He goes for it in the beginning and then he'll kind of weather. Whether a little bit is the fight goes on and I I thought cowboy his his conditioning was was on point with me because he he pushed me that whole fight and I was definitely I was definitely coming after him in the beginning of the fifth and it's it's. It's going to be a great fight. I'm really looking forward to it. It's this fight. I really don't know what what's GonNa. WHAT'S GONNA go down to be some some craziness right. Al I got got three things for you first off good luck with your guide the Bagel guy in your boxing match good luck against Hooker Yourself. I will be there and see you in Australia William and most importantly thank you buddy shell. You're welcome. Thanks now all right guys. AL IAQUINTA GONNA fight coming up well as a coach. He's coaching the Bagel guy the Bagel the Beagle. We're going to call the Guy Right the Bagel guy. I'm looking forward to that. I saw him working out on TMZ. I was pushing him with time. 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Nobody calls the cars calling everybody else. Their Faecal outsor- fights that he doesn't want to do is the point that it's it's annoying but every time there's a show connor call somebody out. I mean just in recent memory called out one night and then he before that it was Mazda erupted there through TMZ and went over to jump to Frankie Edgar and now it's on Kabaeva. Let's do it in Russia. It's silly. It's silly. Perhaps it's meant to be playful. The bottom line is you're talking about talking. You're meeting about meeting your nothing's happening here doing nothing but was interesting about nobody's connor out. Nobody and all of a sudden Dustin Poirier just called him out now. Here's the thing on this first off. Does that fight even make sense. I think a normal world probably check some boxes and I also think that it's very fun to a rematch like that particularly when Dustin who's clearly gotten better. I think that's always fun for US fans right. It's a bit of a measuring unstick. How much better has he gotten. How much of that gap has he has. He passed them up. I it's a good way to tell and you can have some real fun there. I feel as a all of that's completely irrelevant though it looks as though you're going to it looks as though you're going to have to do something special to get connor back connor is sitting onto huge fights right now. Most guys are sitting on none. A really fortunate guy is sitting on one car sitting on to make the S. trilogy could be Gov World title fight. He's sitting on those. He could play either card anytime he wants to think that he's going to go in a different direction seems to me wrong awed an off the reason. I bring that up as much sense as it may make to a fight fan to get those guys together. You can play that game all day. Well this makes sense. That's a very lazy answer by the way if you ever find yourself. Oh yeah that makes sense. You generally don't know what the hell you're talking about. If you did you would offer it because you don't you turn to something that sounded good because makes us why. Why does that make sense. Does that make dollars. What is it called or what have to gained from that I don't need. I don't even think for myself personally. I just wanted to compete. There are some guys like that and maybe connor. Has It appears. He doesn't it appears he did. It appears now out that he doesn't evidence being he's not so it appears that he needs something very special to get him back and some guys are like that. saint-pierre is like that he's he's all but retired but he would listen. If there is something bigger I mean you guys understand that Daniel Cormet in many in many regards as saying the same thing now. I don't know if that I want to be done but I would only come back. If we're Steve You understand that so. Why the hell would you wanNA fight poor you you think he wants to find out. How much better does he was to find you. GotTa get close to Capri. Pass them up. Close the gap come on so I guess my bigger fear and what everybody's fear should be one thing that you we need in this business. One thing that you want is to appear powerful when you do a call out and you do not get it. You look weak week. CONOR McGregor has sold power since he's got here. He has sold people on the idea that he is a decision maker of which he is what he is marked out for his own gimmick so much that he woke up one day and realize I've got absolutely no power which is why I'm sitting on my hands over here that started demanding shares of the company opening of which he will not get but he is sold and convinced people that he has power. I have seen how people treat him behind the scenes they act like they're walking by an executive instead of a kid from Ireland. That's got tattoos on his neck. It's it's the strangest thing I ever seen announcers. Go on TV and say things are callers holding all the cards I have heard that from respectable respectable people they fell for the Carnegie Great Job Connor sold a false narrative and I did that he had power but when connor called shots he got auto so he looked powerful. You put yourself in a very bad spot when you come out begging when you come out at call it out Connor McGregor unless you get the connor fight you you look silly which you are. I haven't seen very many people call out conor McGregor that had any chance of getting a seat at that table the two people who could get to that table right now could be Ed Nate Diaz both do the opposite I wanted to do with him. He been away from me. Bring on somebody else. I get vets gamesmanship but it's something different. If everybody say keeping away from me that'd be the guy that says bring him to me but you don't WanNa just beat the same drum and watch these guys get excited because Connor Senator tweet or said their name somewhere as as a way to try to build a fight just isn't the way to do it and once you look weak in this business. It's very tough to ever regain that you gotta be careful. What names your throwing around. You were just a world champion five days ago when you were just a main five days ago and you just made your biggest biggest paycheck every five days ago you should not be calling somebody out and then get in the door slammed in your face so you gotta be careful. I thought it was good news. That is already looking for another opponent. Though how many times we've seen somebody that spot and they go bare their head in the sand get depressed and go away Eh. I don't know if we'll ever come back just as a way of getting people. Do we really want you to come back. You have so much luck. Oh I don't know if I do right. Take that little childish approach portray he looking for an opponent WANNA. That's pretty cool. I hope he finds Kohner. I would just be very careful with those call outs. I would made a lot of calls behind the scenes that a lot of feeling out first before I walked up to the girl in answer to the problem with me. I WanNa make sure that I'm getting a yes. I think that's a mess by a lot of guys football his back between the start of the NFL teams striving for early dominance and the intense competition on the college scene. Now is a great time to get in on all all the sports betting action. Here's what we got coming up this week. In the pros. It's the vikings versus the packers the chase facing off against the raiders the seahawks taking get on the steelers and the eagles going up against the Falcons visit our friends and our exclusive partners at better line dot. 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The other guys need to do something compelling go but there is no big fight for John Jones John Jones next fight. The audience is is GonNa look like they did it his last fight which is going to be dressed up as empty chairs. That's what's in John's unless he's leaving the way class. He's leaving the way class and going to heavyweight. He's not GonNa heavyweight just looking for something to do you can go up and fight for a world championship and that means he's fighting sleeping. I don't believe that John Jones is finding Stephen Roach. I do not believe that Steve Bisciotti has any opponent lined up right now which means as John Jones does not have a big fight announcement. He just gotTa fight announcement. Let's hear it for our friends at Geiko supporting this podcast and helping you save some cash hash without even leaving the house. 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A Conversation with Senator Tammy Duckworth

The Diane Rehm Show

44:13 min | Last week

A Conversation with Senator Tammy Duckworth

"Support for wmu comes from georgetown mcdonagh's executive mba ranked number one in dc and number five in the us by the financial times learn more at georgetown dot com slash e nba. Diane on my mind. The light senator tammy duckworth. The pines at her biography hit warrior-hero auster legs in combat former representative in house. Now senator from illinois new memoir titled every day is a gift senator worth fills in stead. Her story the biracial daughter of an american father and thai chinese mother. She was raised in bangkok and eventually hawaii. Her family fled. War faced poverty and suffered discrimination eventually joined the army and became one of a handful of female helicopter copter pilot but it wasn't until after recovering from her injuries that she thought her future might include a life in politics. Jealous about your beginnings. You were actually born in bangkok. Your mother tied chinese your father and american talk about your childhood. It was a very international. What i and i grew up hosts vietnam in southeast asia and i got to see america for perspective that most americans don't get off even though as an american i. I got this perspective where america was really a shining light on the hill. You know people respected us. Not because of having won a war in fact we just lost the vietnam war and so america was do where people wanted to go. They want to do business. With americans we were. The ones bringing mediterrean aide. I talked about that a lot in the book about how that those early experiences falling my dad as he worked for the united nations around southeast asia really was the beginning of you know how much i love this country. I love my nation and my idea of how important it was to serve. How were racial children in thailand. Treat it. I do talk about that and you know not well especially at the time. Biracial children were assumed to be the children of prostitutes in american servicemen. So we were not treated well I'm sure those some folks might remember thinking of the children of the dust. Which was the name biracial. Children in vietnam It was a little bit better in thailand. Where i was growing up. There was a lot of discrimination. It was a weird. I really explore this in. The book wears a weird dichotomy between being scorn and look down upon but then also because of white standards of beauty. Because i have a double eyelid in my you know that that i was seeing more appealing and better looking a man in fact buyers will often target of the sex trade and folks who would try for example in the book. I talk about a man just randomly wanting to buy me from my mother and her clutching at i describe in the book that she's clutching in trying to get away from him because he's trying to buy me and she's like just assumed that she was in a poor thai woman Had to by racial baby with american. Gi who was around. They realized no she was married to their. Yeah scary yeah. So when and why did your family decide to come to the us. You know my dad probably would've stayed in asia as long as he could because he really loved being there but in the book i talk about him losing his job and not being able to find one in his fifties and we struggled for years and finally we ran out of money. There was just no more money and we moved back to the states. The biggest motivator. I think was because of the free public school system really and the social safety nets and in fact We got back to the states immediately. Went onto food stamps and public schools. overseas goes. We have to pay for it. So were it not for those social safety net programs. I would never you know. Graduated high score got on the path to become a us. Senator you write in the book. Your mother did not come initially. No my mom's been come with us. I wrote about this in the book. On how hard it was for me to struggle as at fifteen trying to beat the mom to my brother and and trying to take over my mother's role but my mom couldn't come for two reasons one. We have no money. We only had enough money to buy three one way plane tickets on my brother. My dad and i the other was. She did not yet have a visa even though she was a mom american children and a wife american. She didn't have a visa yet and so she had to wait. And so for a while In hawaii that was a mere piece of american soil. We could get to from thailand. We have money to to reach We were struggling. I talk in the book a lot about what it was like. I never worked harder in my life than when we were at I worked harder than than i ever did. In the army or have done since In today when people talk about what the porp- don't give your poisonous. Pull yourself up by your boot straps. It's not that easy i am. It's really tough. What kinds of things were you able to do to help. Families stay afloat well My dad still could not find a job. People kept telling him he was overqualified which was really code for your own. It was in his mid fifties actually fifty three now so he was my age and could not get a job because you progress saying oh we can get someone we don't need someone with your level experience in you know that's all code for you're too old for ageism so i at fifteen became the only person in my family to Have a salary. Ice passed out flyers on the beach. Waikiki tourists. I sold roses a bucket on the side of the road. I don't to this date. I do not get between me and a penny on the ground. I am not embarrassed. I am not ashamed. I will get i will roll over you in my wheelchair to get that penny because i know the value of a penny ice browns for money on the beach. I actually in the book i talk about. I would hustle tourism play beach volleyball because they figure the girl. I could beat the girl and i would. I would partner with a local guy and we would win beach volleyball games for a couple of bucks type but let me tell you. I worked far when we were porn. Had nothing you you know you do everything that you can to keep a roof over your head and food on the table like you talk about one schoolteacher. Who was in fact. Helping to feed you. Now mr nakimora. I hope that when people read the book that they internalize mr nakimora and the day. I think a lot of people read the well themselves. I've their teachers in a public school or if they know a family member friend who works as a teacher there were. they'll recognize story. I had a high school yearbook adviser Who always seemed to us kids. At our wise age of fifteen and sixteen he always seems befuddled. He would give us our assignments and then you know it never failed. He would say towards the end of the day. Okay i need you to come back. I mess up that assignment. We do the layout correctly we gotta redo the layout you guys come back after school in and come back and we do the layout together and he would that two or three times a week and we always would just do it and at the end of the evening when we got done he would take ten bucks out of his pocket to all four of his kids. And say here's ten bucks go to taco bell. Does the taco bell right next to the school at back then night to tacos for ninety nine cents. Just get yourself some dinner on your way home. I'm so sorry. Had you guys to stay after school again. It s until later and we used to think. Oh my god this is so disorganized. Know you're in the wisdom of big sixteen. Looking back i cringe. He was feeding us all the footsteps kids. We were all the food step kids and he knew which kids were probably not gonna get dinner in that last week when the food stamps at run out at the end of the month and he said i am the book i speak about. I think i write pretty eloquently. About how grateful. I am to mr nakimora author mr nakamura's of the world out there. Who today are feeding kids out of their public school teacher salary and providing books and interior walls. I mean teachers are having to bear the burden that the government is no longer taking responsibility for agreeing. Kevin's for the mr nakamura's. I'm glad you ahead him. I'm interested in why you decided to become part of the military. Why even interested you know. I wrote this book to explain to my two daughters. Why did that because my daughter abigail was just now six and she is now getting to understand that. Mommy is different with no legs right to me. She's always know me like this but she started understand. I'm not like the other monies and she started to ask a mommy. Why did you do that. Why did you join the army. Quinn somebody else have called. Why did you go and get blown up and lose your legs just now. You can't teach me to ride a bike. Mommy and i wrote this book. It's a love letter to my country but it's also an explanation to my daughter. Why did that. Why did is because. I love this country. I saw what america was like growing overseas that we were we were at the land. Literally the land of the free in home to brave and then america is worth fighting for the ideals. We stand for our worth fighting for it. So i wanted to serve. I thought i would do the foreign service But i you know i might. My family has served going back to before the revolution on my dad's side I was always taught to give something back to this nation. We thought it would be my brother who would serve in uniform. I thought i was going to the foreign service but I joined the military. Actually i went off to basic training just to learn a little bit about the military. Rotc program and diane. I fell in love with the army. I was a sucker. I was miserable. Basic training with the drill. Sergeants yelling edgy. And everything. But i fell in love head over heels like no one as i say. This isn't the book like no one is a fallen in love for the army before. I wonder why that happened. I fell in love with the pure meritocracy of the army. It didn't matter that rise. A little half white half chinese girl showing up in my platoon. It only mattered. Whether or not i was willing to learn to sheets straight literally shoot straight many other women in the platoon petuna forty something. There were probably about ten women and and so you know and it was and because it was an rotc basic training. It was mixed we trained together. We had we. The women had own floor in the dorm in the barracks. But we've trained together with joint training. You are right next to the guy said it only mattered. It only matters whether you if you literally shot straight whether when somebody's you know was carrying the extra initial that got every for them whether you stepped up and took your help carry the extra mode and that pure meritocracy was what i fell in love with love basic training because i locked myself with the treat and cried many going through. I presume you did not experience any The kind of her within military that we hear too many women speak today. Well i often. Diane was the only woman an all-male unit or at least the only officer or one of one of maybe two officers in a unit. And so i actually it was on me to watch out and protect the younger women. The lower ranking women from harassment and oftentimes. I had come to me. And say hey. I'm having a problem. That i would be the one who would launch the the investigation on it. I myself yeah. I mean i had it but you know what i just because i was higher ranking an older I was able to push back pretty hard and so a lot of the victims of sexual assault in the military. It's not a sex crime diane. It's about power. It's about someone with more ray having more power over someone who's more junior to them and so as an i had enough rank that i could push back but i experienced some of it in an but i was always able to push back and You know i am. Now as a united states senator. I get to work on fixing those problems today. How did you come to fi helicopters. So i thought i would be a linguistics. I speak several languages having grown up in southeast asia and my dad my daddy was a signal officer so i thought oh maybe go to signals. Which is you know telecommunications. But when i was getting ready to decide what job i wanted in the military which you have to give them a list of your top choices and then the army picks and at the time The instructor said alright. All you guys you can choose what brand you. I mean you put down the branches you want. But you have to include combat jobs and didn't matter if somebody was an accounting major for example and wanted to be a finance officer they still have to put infantry artillery armor and i said well what positions do. I quit down. I think i'm going to be a linguistic military intelligence dot with uber. Wherever you want you can't put any combat stops down because you're female. Women are barred from combat. And that diane give me a pause because i thought wow i'm gonna get equal pay for equal work. But i'm not gonna take risks so later on i discovered that a are two branches air defense artillery and aviation. So i made that. That are con- considered combat positions that you could combat arms of you could be as a woman and i put my number one and number two choices and then i took the aptitude test ianna. I scored off the charts for it. And i talked about this in the book where i say. Hey you know a lot of women actually self select themselves out of jobs like helicopter pilot because they never never applied number. Take the fast women. Make better natural islets actually. Did you think that you would fly planes or did you know it would be helicopters. I knew it would be helicopters From the very beginning. And i loved it i love i love aircraft that are beasts helicopters are. They're not gliding through the air. And you know we your hand and touch. The face of god like the like the poem aircraft. They're they're they're you know heavy metal machines that that defy gravity we used to say. We beat the air into submission. What helicopter pilots do. But i get there then. You really didn't allow in your heart support. Going into iraq did not know i wanted. I supported us going into afghanistan to hunt down those who would dare attack our nation on nine eleven. I saw iraq as a distraction. That's so much in my heart. I i that's what i felt. But as a soldier you swear an oath to defend the constitution and the constitution says you carry out the order. You carry out your commander in chief orders if this long as their lawful endurance w bush issued the order which congress had read about right the congress and voted and decided. Yes we should invade iraq and as a soldier doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong in terms of whether he should go as long as there's a lawful order and it's not a violation of you know the rules of war you do your job and so i was. I volunteered actually. I was very proud to go. Still proud of my service and i. I would go tomorrow if they needed me. Head who piloted or co-pilot did a number of ventures into iraq. Before that awful day. When i talk you were co piloting was hit. Yes diane right. Had many missions. We had been in country in iraq for a ten months at this point. And so i had many many missions under my belt and We were actually towards the nfl rotation we were getting ready to come home When i was hit on november twelfth two thousand four tell me about that day. It was a really good day to start off with really diane. It was you know it was a bit of a rainy day. Getting to fly with people. I really loved flying chief warrant officer. Dan milberg was one of my favourite pilots in command to fly with learned with him and he has this amazing sense of humor. That is very dry and very three right at got along great and so it was really good day on. We had regular missions through flew through all throughout the country and we even had time to stop for lunch in baghdad and into green zone which we rarely did we normally just have to eat a a can of tuna fish in my in my helmet bat. But i got to stop half a milkshake and a stir fry because we were in the fancy dining hall in the green zone as last knew i was going to eat for probably three or four weeks. I didn't know it. But i had a good last meal. And then at the last minute as we were done with our mission headed back to base this was during the second battle for volusia we were diverted picked up some passengers and on our way back from picking up those passengers We were hit. Rpg landed right in my lap. I write in detail in the book about it. It's it's pretty graphic but it has a happy ending. But i wanted people to understand the struggle that my buddies went through to save my life and what they did and i learned so much more writing this book about that day because a lot of my memories my memories blank from the minute we had at the helicopter now i was awake and i did talk to people and it's only in writing the book that i reached out and i found doctors and nurses. Who said no. No no i talk to you. You were but i don't remember any of that and So the the the book. There's a pretty detailed accounting. And the reason i did that was not to be gory. That the reason i did that was just to show gratitude for the men and women who saved my life and the book is called every day's a gift and every day since that day has been gift from those people to me. Tell he what your buddies did to save your life some once. We landed the aircraft my door. Eric did one of the bravest things i could ever imagine. He'd been shot also and he was bleeding out going to shop. He took his weapon and walked towards enemy. Instead of walking towards we always fluid to aircrafts with a second aircraft landed immediately and instead of running to the rescue bird he ran. He walked towards the enemy. He couldn't run because he was pretty badly wounded and bleeding any stood the primer to Because the bad guys were jumping into pick up trucks we let it maybe four hundred yards away from where they had shot at us So we knew they were coming to us but the one saving grace is that there was no road through the palm grove. Where we between us and them so they were delayed a little bit and he stood ground and then dad came over to pull me out and realize. Oh my god. She's dead this lower body. He looked at me a tour so and he could see my leg which was severed My right leg which was severed laying on the floor of the aircraft and the left leg was just hanging by Just some skin and so he looked at me and he's a emt and a police officer in the civilian world when he's not serving in the national guard and he said okay. She's dead so he starts carrying me out. That's the main thing that he did was he didn't leave me behind. He didn't want the insurgents to get my body he didn't with the insurgents dragged me through the streets by folksy that on cnn so he rescued by body and then the crew chief from the second aircraft helped him and they described to me as like the scenes from saving private ryan to opening scenes. was just nothing but blood and gore and then they also cherry my my crew chief who was sitting right behind me and he almost lost his leg as well. And it got us through the second aircraft the pilot. Second aircraft Chief foreign officer. patnaik happen to be a medevac pilot in a previous life so he had actually initiated medevac procedures. And so from the point of. When i was wounded to win i got to the medivac. Aircraft was probably twenty minutes and it was less than an hour before i was in the er. And that's why i'm alive today. Because they got me to help so quickly. Despite thinking that i was dead they could have gotten out in a very quickly but they wanted you to be safe in the book. I talk about the warrior. Ethos and one of the lines of the ethos. Those i would never leave a fallen comrade behind and they refuse to leave me behind and because of them because for them of my life since that day has been a gift. It's literally a day. That i should have been living through because i should have died that day and these brave men would let me die so we are. Did they then get you to baghdad. Er so you know the show mash. They're caught caches combat. Surgical hospitals c. s. h. as opposed to a mobile surgical hospital. So it's a cash combat surgical hospital. They got me to the er in baghdad within fifty minutes and that's when they worked on me i actually in the writing. This book was able to find the surgeon who worked on me and the nurse who put me under. And there's i don't remember this but in finding the nurse who actually Care for me at intimated me and put me under. He said that he had been reliving that day for years. When it's been fifteen years he said it's one of the most searing memory. He has of his time in iraq. And you know when you work the er in iraq doing the battles for flu. You have a lot of bad memories but mine was when he really remembered he said before i went under. I grabbed his hospital. Scrubs at the and i said you take care of my men knocked me out. He said he'll never forget that and so for him. It was a bit of closure getting to talk to me knowing that my made it 'cause you know they patch you up and then they ship you out to lunch through germany into trading. They never know if you actually survive. So how much time did you thins. Been at walter reed. I was at walter reed for thirteen months. And i i would have been there longer but i left early to run for congress for shadowing here. I said thirteen walter reed and in the book i talk about you know. The recovery and with that was like was grueling. But i talked about some really good people. That i met at walter. Reed the milkshake man. And tom and l. quarter. Who korean war veterans who were known as the sex talk couple. And all of the great folks at walter reed so the book this. It's about me but it's really an ode to really amazing folks along the way who helped me on my journey. My conversation with tammy duckworth. Senator bill joy when we come back Support for on my comes from the first at notre dame's inspired leadership initiative it's program for accomplished individuals who completed their careers and are ready to have a meaningful impact moving forward now accepting applications for this fo form or information go to n. d. dot e. d. u. slash inspired wmu and the nantucket book festival present a next meeting of my virtual book club on wednesday april. Twenty first at one. Pm eastern time joint for a discussion at the book cast the agents our discontent by pulitzer prize. Winning author isabel wilkerson. Plus i have a special conversation with isabel wilkerson following the book club. Find out more about both event at w. amu dot org slash event. Here's the registered. My conversation with senator. Tammy duckworth about her new memoir. Free days a gift. How did writing the book experiencing what you did. Change your thinking or affect your thinking about war. I don't change my thinking about war because soldiers don't ever wanna go to war right. We're the ones who get blown up. Get killed so. I'm a hawk in the sense that i will defend my country to the death and i've proven that and i would still defend her to death because american her ideals and what we stand for democracy. Is that valuable to me. And i hope you get that Reading this but what he did diane was. Give me a new perspective on my life like it made me go through my relationship with my dad you know he was always my dad but i never analyzed my relationship with my data's difficult as it. Was you know. I always thought of myself as daddy's girl but actually there was a lot of me trying to win his respect. Never getting it you know most of my life and until the very end before he died it also at the end of the book. I was looking at it and i thought wow maybe all the struggles early on is what helped me survive being shot down in iraq right like all you know having to work three jobs in high school and and to struggle was. We went through there. Maybe that just made me tough enough. That i had the reserves of whatever it was. I needed to survive getting blown up and learning to walk again. I don't know we should say that your mother eventually did get to come to the us. She was there within a year after we got there And she was a godsend lifesaver. I didn't have to be mom anymore. I could just focus on finishing high school and she started sewing and doing operations and baby sitting and we were all scraping for money any way that we could and my mom is still with me. She returns eighty here in a month. And she is the toughest lady i know. Let me tell you you right about meeting. Illinois senator dick durbin and the amazing row. He's played in your life. Talent said band. I met dick durbin when he called to walter reed in two thousand and five in january of two thousand five and said by their any wounded warriors from illinois at walter reed. Who would like to attend a state of the union address and dick durbin always invites war. Would to the state of the union address. Every senator only gets two tickets and he gives his up instead of bringing donor or lobbyists or his own family members. He gives his up to the war wounded to our troops and that year. I happen to be one of the two at the hospital. And that's when i met dick durbin. And he gave me his business card in. He wrote his personal phone number on there. And in the book. I describe it as abusing that privilege very quickly house i happen to be the highest ranking empty while to read for about eight months nine months something like that and we had a lot of problems at walter reed. Healthcare was above the best. But i don't know if you think back. There was a lot of issues with mode of housing rooms. A lot of issues administrative. Because the bush administration thought the war would be over in iraq in two weeks right. That's what rumsfeld sat you. Know they'll be meeting with candy and flowers will be done in two weeks and dragged on and on so there were so many more war-wounded showing up than they ever expected and people like me who survived to any previous including the first persian gulf. War would have died with my wounds that they just. The system was overwhelmed. So i started calling. Dick durbin and saying Senator durbin got a guy who hasn't been paid in six months. I got a guy here who His wife is here with his mother. Wants to come. But the army won't let his mother common. His mother should come. It shouldn't be either. Or and dick durbin became the unofficial ombudsman for walter reed. Whoever it wise he fix the problem or dealt with it and after about nine ten months of this dick durbin called me up and he looked at me and he didn't see biracial girl with no legs. He didn't see the wheelchair he saw someone who needed a mission. Before i realized i needed a new mission because i was trying to become a helicopter pilot again i wanted to go back to my unit. Did you really think you. I really thought i could. I really thought. I could And there are helicopter. Pilots were amputees back on active duty with the military. But not a and amputation. That's my highs and dick durbin said tammy if you are. Veterans are not being treated well and we need to do better than you need to run for congress and he just blew my mind. I was like you know that. I'm i have no legs on him in the hospital. Right signal tammy any if anybody knows how veterans and military men and women should be treated. It's you you're living at. You should run for congress. So i did. He gave me a new mission. Because i just not long. After that found out that i would be able to go back to my unit Do serve. I served another ten years in the army but i couldn't do it on an active in an active assignment like that and he gave me a new mission so i ran and lost but that wasn't the end of it. No no no in the book. I say that. I spent three days crying in my bathroom in the bathtub. Is the only place where my cell phone would ring. And that's true It was devastating. But then i went to work as the director of the illinois department of veterans affairs. And then barack obama won the presidency and by before this was in the senate. He'd asked me to testify before the senate veterans committee and and then he called me up and said would you come work for me and go to her for eric. Shinseki the department of veterans affair. So i said mr president if you want me to go sweep floors because you think. That's what veterans need uncle soup source mexico and then after i was at the decided to run again at twenty twelve and i won that race. You brought your own infant daughter in yes is in a chamber. How did people react. Well when i got pregnant. I knew because the senate was so closely divided that i would not be able to take maternity. Leave that i. In fact i couldn't even go back to illinois to have my baby had to have my baby in dc. 'cause they needed my vote in the senate rules say to vote. You have to be in the chamber physically in the chamber to vote. And so i knew i couldn't take maternity leave and i knew that i could go back to illinois so i gave birth here in dc. And when i got pregnant. I started working with senator amy klobuchar who was on the rules committee with our unhatched to change the rules. I could bring my baby onto the floor of the senate. And there's a host section in the book where i go into detail about the negotiations. And all that people did what be to and orrin hatch. Ask questions like well. What's the dress code for the baby because there's a senate that brisk clothes you can't wear a hat you have to wear shoes. Gentlemen should wear a jacket. Women should have sleeves you know. Cover your arm and is like she's a baby she wears a said. I'm not gonna take her beanie off. She'll be in a footy pajamas. I can't put shoes on that. So much is not going to wear shoes. She will wear hats. And that's to senate rules. She'll be breaking. Tell you what i'll put a little baby blazer off her long those of crazy surreal argument that i go into it in the book. Right talk about this. And amy klobuchar being very very calm and negotiating at one point the response was put if we let her bring her baby on the floor. Then someday there could be ten babies on the floor to which ab cova giorgos she says would that sounds delightful and luckily visit would be there. Were there were more women senators and we want that right so eventually i was able to bring my daughter the floor at. She was ten days old when they need it by vote for the first time. What a great story. You will be able to tell her for ever i will. She didn't wear a blazer. So you know placer. I love you. Were near the capital ready to go onto the senate floor. When he insurgents storm capital on january. Sixth yes i was in the capital but i was in the tunnels underneath. I was going from my office. i was supposed to speak a to fifty at two thirty. I was in the tunnels getting ready to go up. Onto the floor. The insurgents the first breach occurred a quarter after. Choose a fifteen minutes earlier as i'm in the tunnel. The capitol police officers near me still did not have a full picture. What had happened but they said the capitol is shut down. You can still use the tunnels to get to the floor if you would like to move forward but you need to go very quickly and then you will be evacuated along with all the other senators. Now i'm a wheelchair user. And i know that there's only one way on and off the floor and i know how difficult it would be for to move me with my wheelchair if there was not a wheelchair accessible way so i decided to just instead of moving forward to go ahead and and secure myself put myself in a secure location with two staff members and we shut locked the doors and barricaded the doors. And i said you guys. Don't worry about evacuating me. I'm fine we can take care of ourselves. Once you get all the other senators secured then come back and get me. So that's what we did. We waited it out for a couple of hours. And then i was on the phone with again senator klobuchar. She's on the rules committee comedian. She was i'm fine. I'm fine. Amy amy when you guys are all secure you can come get me. And the capitol. Police came a knock on the doors. Amy which are said to us about what i knew i could leave my hiding spot. They they said like six police officers some in full gear to take me to safety thinking about that. What does he say to you about. The american people's view of the election. We're obviously very divided nation. I hope that we're less divided now with president biden doing everything. He can to reunite us as a nation. And i think we are. I think we're better off now than we were last year or even on january six. I think that insurrection horrified many many people who may have agreed with the results of the election. But the fact that americans were used the american flag to break down the doors of the us. Capital it diane. It hurt me. It hurt me in my heart to see the same red white and blue that i used to wear my on my shoulder going into To see that same slag used to beat a police officer. that was. that's my ticket with john. You're six the hurt and frustration and anger that that could happen. But i think we're moving. I think we're making our way and listen this whole book that i wrote a love letter to my country to explain to my daughter why america is worthy an america. Diane she still worth it. This democracy is still worth to struggle. It's still worth each of us showing up every day even if we don't agree with each other because the old saying right it's the worst form of government but the best one that i know you know the best we can do and and we're doing better and and we keep striving for that more perfect union and i'm gonna keep showing up every day because america is truly is a ideas are worth the struggle. How did you feel seeing that. There were too many right headers. Who ahead ties to the military. I was. I was pretty angry and frustrated. But i know they were targeted. I've had conversations now with general out secretary austin and deputy secretary hicks about this and the the military. Dod is actively now dealing with this rising extremism in white supremacy within the ranks and are working hard to counter it and to prevent it from from going any further but diane. You should know that. We've had this problem in the military it before in the early nineties at fort bragg at eighty second airborne there was an incident there were there was a cell of white supremacy amongst the airborne troops. And we were able to deal with it so we're going to work hard to fix. It have wanted to ask you about certain Issues much alive today would use e has the prospects for countering the new voting restrictions in georgia and similar efforts in other parts of the country. I think we need to pass a new voting rights act. The house has hp one. Come over to the senate and it will pass as long as the filibuster is in place. Because i don't know that we're gonna get ten republicans to vote with us to get it to pats. I would hope so. But i will tell you when we know republican votes for the american rescue. Plan a bill that put fourteen hundred dollars back into the pockets of people struggling to pay rent feed their families. You know that. Bill gave us more money for schools. Our kids could go back in person learning. They wouldn't even vote for that. You know so what will see what we're gonna have to deal with the filibuster in order to pass a new voting rights act which is what we need. I hope we don't go completely to to get rid of the filibuster right away. I hope we go to Example talking filibuster in the most lows americans when they think of a filibuster they think of mr smith goes to washington. You stand right. That's not how it is. It doesn't cost center anything to filibuster. You don't have to show up you. Just tell them you're not going to do it and that's not right so if we go to a talking filibuster it means that if you want to filibuster any bill you actually have to stand up into senate and argue your position. I think that is a good first step. But i will put defending people's rights to votes I had a filibuster which is a creation for the united states senate. That was really created during the jim crow era for southern senators to oppose. You know a lot of the civil rights movement. We'll see where it goes one other thing. You're pushing hard for legislation to ensure safe drinking water and illinois certainly. Has its problems with that. How did that happen. So we have real issues with safe drinking water across the country. And i've been working on trying to get rid of our lead service lines in this country since flint michigan. I was working on flint michigan. When i was in the house. Illinois has by far the greatest percentage exponentially of lead service line in the nation. We have twenty five percent more than any other state in the entire nation. Twenty five percent of it is in illinois most of it is in chicago. It's an issue of environmental injustice. Diane an infrastructure injustice in that. You know a lot of infrastructure is done based on zip codes right. It's based on tax with the municipality can afford to raise money and then they fix it so in the wealthier neighborhoods. They get their utilities upgraded What has happened is especially in a black and brown neighborhoods in chicago in a lot of the utilities have not been upgraded floor literally decades sometimes as far as one hundred years. So there's a lot of mets service line and what has been done is a stopgap measure and this has done across the country they have pumped through a coating that the inside of those lip service lines so that the water that flows through would not pick up the lead. But if you do what happened in in flint. Which is you switched your water source in flip a switch to the flint river which was more acidic and it actually war away that protective coating so then the lead leached into the water. That can happen anywhere in the country in fact in illinois where we're finding lead right now is in galesburg a rural farming community not chicago and so This is an issue across the country. In fact i talked to some other senators from the From the boston area. Who said that they and and rhode island as they actually have some places where they still have wooded pipes man across the nation. I think the statistic is something like as much as seventy five percent of the water that you pay our taxes and utility bills to get clean and pumped through the water. Seventy percent of that water is wasted through leakage. And we're only getting twenty five percent so it makes sense to make the infrastructure investment because we're going to save a lot of money if we do. I have one last question for you. are you optimistic. That republicans and democrats can work together in the senate. I am diane. I am because i just led a water bill on infrastructure water last week in fact we've passed it unanimously out of the out of the committee every democrat every republican voted for it and it passed unanimously out in. Its has significant dollars to fix things like let things like sewer systems. I guess it has to be the non sexy. Stop right sewage. We can agree on fixing that. But you know i work a lot also with us my connection with the military and i go and i find a lot of republicans who are also veterans and start from there because we have a shared background and say okay. Let's work together. Thank you for being so generous with your time. It was one to talk with you. Thank you C. l. annoys. Tammy duckworth all through the new memoir titled every day is a gift and that's all for today. Thanks to those of you who've written to let us know what's on your mind you can find us on facebook and twitter where does in imail d. r. punt cast and w amu dot org are music is composed by gm. Brian again pentland furka. Wunderle show is produced by sandra baker rebecca kaufman alison brody our engineered. Today is my kid. Thanks for listening all be well. Stay safe i'm diane.

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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 5, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

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O'Reilly Update Morning Edition, January 5, 2021

"O'reilly here in warming up the nra dot net studios in new york standby for the o'reilly update morning edition on the jordan harbinger show. You'll hear amazing stories from people that have lived them from spies to ceo's and even brilliant scientists who can help us understand our own minds. You're about to hear a preview of the jordan harbinger show with. Ken perennial an amazingly talented art. Forger who would douse of museums. Experts and art buyers book on art forgery. I began to unlock the secrets. I was a storehouse of knowledge of how to create an allusion presented to a experienced expert. Manipulate his mind and bring him to the inevitable conclusion that the painting is genuine. We flooded the market with my paintings. And i couldn't believe what i did. I couldn't believe than the dominos started falling and eventually the f. b. i. Will add to my door. They uncovered a mountain of evidence against me. But they never actually got you. Why did it go away. Why did you never get indicted into well. How are we having this conversation. I guess degree to story of all. If you want to hear more about how can made millions forging. Art dodged the mafia and even the fbi checkout episode. Two eighty two of the jordan harbinger show available on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever. You're listening now on this. Tuesday i am thinking about the senate vote in georgia tonight as you may know. This is a key to weather our society. Our country goes progressive left or stays fairly traditional. So you have far left. Democrats jon ossoff and raphael warnock running against incumbent. Republican senators david perdue and kelly law for its ossoff versus purdue and warnock versus loafer. I have predicted that the republicans will win but now there is a new wrinkle in this very important. Many working americans were counting on two thousand dollars. In kovic relief that is not going to happen as the republicans have stalled it in the senate so six hundred dollars will be given not two thousand that could affect this race. I don't know the polling right now. On the day of the vote is even so anything could and obviously and georgia is watching this vote very carefully so i'm not worried about fraud. There are just too many poll-watchers three million georgians have already voted. We don't know how that vote breaks down because it is in counted yet. But i'm still going to say that. The republicans should win now this so we have a new sponsor mammoth nation conservative. Discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes. That includes the police and first responders active military vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases help support. All of those causes. It's better than a donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotels. Shopping wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more. It only costs nineteen bucks a year. Excellent deal you can save that much from just one purchase now. I'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. that's mammoth nation dot com slash. bill joy. now. That is the morning o'reilly update more analysis later on.

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The O'Reilly Update, January 6, 2021

Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis

10:41 min | 3 months ago

The O'Reilly Update, January 6, 2021

"Bill o'reilly here wednesday january. Sixth two thousand and twenty one. You are listening to the a riley update. Here's what's happening today. In america shocking results in the georgia senate vote in washington. Congress votes to certify. Joe biden selectorial. Victory today folks are fleeing new york and new jersey in record numbers arizona now the worst state in the usa for cove. It also ahead. How did georgia morph into massachusetts. We'll tell you but i. It appears georgia. Voters have elected to far left. Senators that stunning phil. Warnock defeated republican. Kelly lav laura becoming the first black senator in georgia history. Thirty-three-year-old jon ossoff is leading incumbent. Senator david perdue in shocking apparent upsets. There will be a recount in that vote. We will tell you exactly why all this happened in a few moments georgia has now helped. President elect biden in a huge way as democrats control. Apparently both houses of congress for the next two years anyway. The usa may well go far left and its policies. More as i said in our next segment members of congress and vice president pence. Meet today to certify the two thousand and twenty election results despite a dozen senators and more than one hundred congressmen objecting to the electoral college count. Because of alleged fraud the count will be made official later this afternoon. After the certification there is no legal path forward for donald trump to stop. Mr biden's impending inauguration the five metro areas with the highest move outrageous last year. New york and new jersey have the mall. According to a report from moving company. United van lines long island. Where i live tops. The list for people exiting the region. The biggest destination for folks fleeing the northeast the carolinas and florida arizona now reporting the highest rate of cogan in the usa. Averaging one hundred twenty one new cases per one hundred thousand residents more than three hundred thousand americans have died from the virus since march in a moment to things caused georgia voters to support far left politicians. That after this so we have a new sponsor mammoth nation america's conservative discount club. Its mission is to get the right. Candidates elected and fight for conservative causes. That includes the police in first responders. Active military vets american farmers and ranchers the second amendment and right to life the proceeds from your membership and purchases support. All of those causes. It's better than donation in return for your patriotism. You get discounts on things like hotels shopping. Wireless prescriptions telehealth and much more it only costs nineteen bucks a year excellent deal. You can save that much from just one purchase. Now i'm a lifetime member. And i know you'll want to become a lifetime member as well so please go to mammoth nation. One word mammoth nation dot com slash bill. Join the fight. This is an excellent program and a great deal. That's mammoth nation dot com slash bill joy. Now time now for the riley update message of the day so i was surprised by the georgia vote. I thought at least one. Republican would win a senate seat. I base that belief on what happened on. November third. When senator purdue defeated jon ossoff by about ninety thousand votes and ralph worn ac lost to to republicans by about four hundred thousand votes. So what happened in two months. Well president trump as you know hammered the state of georgia with allegations of voter fraud. That seems to have mobilize some voters to punish republicans as democratic. Turnout was higher yesterday. In georgia than it was for the presidential vote and in the senate of the united states republicans blocked the two thousand dollar relief. Cova payment settling for six hundred dollars each citizen that apparently hurt the gop but by far the most important factor in georgia electing too far left. Senators is the african american. Vote in georgia thirty. Two percent of the electorate is black and they voted democrat by more than ninety percent. That did it. But why. Well as a caucasian i cannot feel what african americans feel about their country. But i can tell you that. In general black sea the usa differently than whites and the democrats have tapped into that successfully messaging that the democratic party will prioritize black wants and needs in a big way. Then you add. African american icons to the mix people like lebron james oprah michelle obama beyond sit all of them support extremely liberal politics so there is a peer pressure within african american neighborhoods throughout the country to support democrats. It is not cool. You're black to be a trump supporter at the president's rallies. You see very few black faces because you are roundly criticized in the neighborhood if you are a trump supporter or a republican. Don't underestimate the power of peer pressure. We saw that in georgia. It was almost a color line. And now the whole country will have to deal with the senate that is controlled by the democrats handing. Joe biden as i said a huge power card. I'm bill o'reilly and i approve that message by actually writing it disagree. I'd like to hear from you bill. Bill o'reilly dot com in a moment. Something you might not know now the riley update brings you something you might not know twenty years ago today in two thousand one then vice president. Al gore officially certified the electoral victory. Of george w bush ending a months long saga that included han recounts to concession speeches and a historic supreme court ruling about the vote in florida. Now at that time alborz decision to end the crisis was met with widespread opposition by democrats and the media. The new york times wrote quote. There is nothing ordinary about bush's victory implying that george w. bush did not win a dozen members of the congressional black caucus objected to the certification democratic representative jesse jackson junior of illinois said quote. It's a sad day. In america when we cannot find a senator to sign this objection to the certification of mr bush on january. Sixth two thousand and one. After two hours of delays in debates mr gore ultimately ended the two thousand election saying quote. May god bless our new president and vice president and may god bless the united states of america unquote. Mr bushes response from his texas ranch later. That evening was this. Well i guess. I better go and write an inaugural speech. I want to be the president of everybody whether they supported me or not unquote today. Both houses of congress will meet to certify. The election of joe biden nearly a dozen republican senators and even more congress people from the gop will object to the proceedings citing voter fraud allegations. The two chambers will separate and debate the issues for no longer than two hours. A simple majority is needed by both houses of congress to block any state's electoral votes. But that will not happen. And here's something else you might not know if you think. The election in two thousand and twenty is the most contested in us history. You're wrong in eighteen. Seventy six republican candidate. Rutherford hayes narrowly democrat samuel tilden by just one electoral vote and tilden won the popular vote by three hundred thousand. American democracy is complicated. Indeed back after this. Thank you for listening to the o'reilly update. I am bill o'reilly no spin just facts and always looking out for you.

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