17 Burst results for "Bill Gothard"
"bill gothard" Discussed on Exvangelical
"I'm an orderly and That if you look at at home school history teachings, for example this is this is a very common motif and Wilson has written a couple of books that suggest as much as well, and and then you can say, okay, is this fringe where we're talking homeschool? We're talking you know, Doug Wilson particularly can take as figure on but within what I do in the book is I demonstrate how these ideas and these figures become quite mainstream. As home school becomes much more popular and and the home of it begins to influence outside of homeschool circles But somebody like Doug Wilson, you help John, Piper, coming out on vouching for him and inviting him into his orbit of influence and saying, Oh, I, promise you know from the bottom of my heart that Doug? Wilson is not a racist. and. So so one of the things and other things I really worked was to try to figure out. What is actually fringe here within white evangelicalism and what is mainstream and what is the relationship between the two because it's it's tempting. I. Think for quote unquote respectable eight locals to very quickly separate themselves out and anybody who says something that's offensive or deeply problematic. You just say, Oh, you know that's that's not who we are when in fact you can see. That mainstream evangelicalism and evangelicalism have been evangelical leaders have been deeply complicit in things that that we might want to claim are actually fringe grape absolutely, and we've definitely seen that in the last few years of the trump administration and the protestations that people have around instead of Notre. Scotsman it's not Adam Jellicoe type arguments whether it's based on something Arcane or only known two people who've done readings about the Beddington quadrilateral or something else you know to whatever it might be very different than the cultural evangelicalism which you are primarily investigating through your book. There's there's so much to go into there and I think we'll I think we'll get there. What I do WanNa touch touch on you mentioned homeschool and I, think that. Brings to mind the way in which home school ties and a lot of the leaders tie these beliefs about. Quote traditional Biblical gender roles to both family dynamics including. Spouse, relationships as well as parenting dynamics to both family and education. So what were the ways in which these ideas of? Evangelical, Masculinity Which? We may have mentioned the term once so far but really are couched in patriarchal ideas. Let's do a little bit of definition of terms because I think that's helpful for this this type of audience who may have sun exposure to this but mail so not So let's try to define some terms as we go. But how do those how how does the home school leaders like Bill Gothard and and James. Dobson who crosses into a lot of media and politics out of those those figures. Start to develop the groundwork in the seventies for what follows later. Yeah. So this kind of Patriarchy essentially there the idea of of mail leadership or male hadn't ship. They'll say so that the man is the head of the family and you know John on Particular Biblical passages in particular interpretations of those passages but it's not just about kind of ultimate authority..
"bill gothard" Discussed on Titus & Tate
"That is how you watch C. Basketball so everyone in my class. There's like you know the five or six. Do Kids that nobody do. They know everyone to do. And then there's everyone else's point against them wake forest fans fans whatever we watch Duke Duke in the bojangles coliseum determined. They play I North Carolina team. They've beaten by thirty thirty points in every game that year. Matt Dr Is the Twenty Year for Carolina. This is the year before that the okay but it's basically basically magistrates. They're getting blown Jason Williams who wanted to go to Carolina They took Adam Boone. Bill Gothard said you know what Jason Williams just like putting a massive numbers on North Carolina this season and the Naacp tournament they go literally they blow out North Carolina then they beat wake forest and they'd beat NC state and so as far as the Rambus you know the the triangle is like to call. We like to call it the research Rambus. Everyone is defeated. Yeah everyone knows inherently that ducas going to go. I didn't want to watch the tournament. You know everyone's like dukes going to win the tournament. The Indiana game. I remember coming back inside because we were just. We didn't believe it. You know what I mean like as it was happening. We're just like no way so I'd go back outside. Keeps you mass ball get called back in and then we watch the final run and I still don't believe to this day new coach K.. Yeah so Duke Story. They still cannot believe that they can. Duke was ranked number one this season for all but four weeks there were four polls that came out and I pulled the artists like twenty something. There were four polls in which Duke was not remember long I think in those four they were like two or three like they never fell for the three Indiana conversely the highest I you is ranked. All season was twentieth. This was I what a game. So that is a stage that is that is why this result is so staggering It was it was not enough to just I. I SORTA got if Indiana Jersey said Butler and this was two thousand two which by the way Indian and lost a Butler that you're If if this was bought Vineyards Jersey said Valparaiso or something and this exact same thing happens happens to all the same players. This is one of the greatest upsets in tournament. History I swear because it makes it makes no sense when you break it down like breaking it down here but It's only two because even the twenty one game that buzzer loss. They feel we still talk about like this. You know this may amazing thing that happened in basketball. They almost had to have courtship of it actually had been butler. Oh yes Is there anything else before we dive into the game itself that we need to listen to the how we want to kind of map is our like our fun in fact slash fun facts. They were GonNa do the moment when the game was over for us. which is something we always like to do? We're GONNA do the gophers to go because again this is culture culture there are goats and then there are those people who you blame people that are the greatest of all time and there are many what ifs that we have which is my favorite part of the show but first let's just start with the facts. Let's let's let's first take a break. Okay uh right yeah. We'll take a break and then we'll come back and we'll take a break and then we'll come back and we'll get into all this all right. Let's do that again. Okay so those are the four quadrants we have. We've got fun facts. We've got some fun facts. We've got the what ifs that we want to say for the end of this. We gotta do the Gophers the goat. which will be interesting and then I think the thing that is interesting interesting to see is when we both thought the game was over because this is probably GonNa be the first time that we've thought the game was over for? Maybe the other team the game was over tipped off. The game was over to Duke. Is going to win. Davis yelling at an official when they're sixty three. The game is over in my mind. All right so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA break down the categories we're going to dive into the game itself. We're GONNA take.
"bill gothard" Discussed on NewsRadio 1020 KDKA
"S. attorney Scott Brady announcing those charges today in Washington these are the cyber criminals who victimize our citizens and we will pursue them and we will prosecute them whether these criminals are in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania ordinance or in Moscow also charged today one of bill Gothard ministry is Igor tour should have house Democrats will proceed with articles of impeachment against the president CBS is bill Rakoff has that the facts are uncontested house speaker Nancy Pelosi says president trump's actions with regard to Ukraine leave lawmakers no choice the president abused his power for his own personal political benefit facing criticism from lawmakers who say the impeachment process is moving too fast speaker Pelosi says it's necessary to act quickly his actions are in defiance of the vision of our founders and the oath of office that he takes to preserve protect and defend the constitution of the United States the president tweeted this morning if you are going to impeach me do it now fast so we can have a fair trial in the Senate and so that our country can get back to business bill Rakoff CBS news Capitol Hill city council hosting a public hearing tonight on a resolution that would formally recognize racism as a public health crisis more from KDKA radio's Melinda rotor city councilman Reverend Ricky burgesses sponsoring the resolution he says African Americans and Pittsburgh face a higher rate of health risks and poverty in some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods a problem he's experienced firsthand everyday my kids one of the elves.
"bill gothard" Discussed on WZFG The Flag 1100AM
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A. dot org tie okay indeed dot org we're Jamestown in the arena near the arena the Jamestown high school the home of the blue jays talking about education innovation the superintendent north Korea's largest school district west Fargo joins us next bath slowly making her way to James town to participate in a presentation on a busy day here today and be on a panel hello Beth how are you I'm great how are you doing that doing good this is the this is kind of fun and I understand it's a busy time because obviously there's all kinds of the continuing education crisis going on for teachers of personal development classes and getting classrooms ready and it's it's kind of a busy time right it is it is very busy and I will mention one thing before we go on western was not the largest district but we are closely closing that gap amber currently the third largest in the state and Fargo a second but we are expecting to to pass them up and of course his bark is our largest but it is a busy time pressed and it's exciting times happy to be here in Jamestown I guess I I by the way I've said that about a hundred times I've been on quite a bit but I've my apologies but I I no worries I think it's the fastest growing right yeah so that that's wrong that's from getting out into sort on track to you know we're we're do you compare with the your students Fargo students Bismarck students were in the top three well we're we're currently number three but I I'm thinking were just a few hundred behind our goal and so we're expecting this year's enrollment to surpass we're expecting five hundred and thirty S. new student and over the last several years it's been an between four and six hundred a year so when you're considering small district out in the state of North Dakota we're increasing our enrollment by somebody's district entire K. twelve population in one year so it is a rapid time of change and growth we have eleven building projects happening right now this summer is just crazy all the building and all of the projects that we have going on you are on a panel low this afternoon beyond twenty one eighty six holy buckets I can't even think that far out building innovative capacity with the knowledge works a tell us a little about your talk today the panel so jam on a panel just to tell a little bit about what what we're doing this is a five year partnership with the department of instruction and with knowledge work who and helping us I define what personalize competency based learning as in North Dakota and what is exciting and unique about this project is that when an instruction is digging in and helping us do this work so is this is not a common practice another eight necessarily it's not common to have district collaborating with each other to try to define what it means for our local community and it's very exciting to have people guide you through the process of defining what is important to our stakeholders in our community and building it for our own community so although you'll see for example of northern cast and west Fargo are all part of this project what we are coming away from the table where is really a work of the of our community defining what it means it was not a cookie cutter project where district there told this is what you do step by step we are able to really build best for our students and for what the needs are of our region that is what is exciting the department of instruction has been so helpful and I am told in other states you know I can pick up the phone and talk to folks in the department instruction and they help me do the work that is unique and that is special about our state what what exactly describe what personalization of learning as like what would help me understand you know it's interesting because a lot of people cannot find not and we have spent the whole first year really talking about what that means to that to our community for us it means and I know you heard Kayla speak about this to some extent but it's really providing the voice and choice into the student learning I west Fargo is committed to a guaranteed in Bible curriculum which means we want to guarantee that regardless of the school a student attends lead crystal ball that is leading that cool or the teacher that is in front of that student every day that they have access to that guaranteed a Bible curriculum what is what the ball is the resources and the tools is that creativity that a teacher brings to that and what the students interests are is really providing students with choices in their learning bomb mastering and working on the standards that have been defined by our state which insures that that our students are getting the important curriculum that they need so they have the skills moving forward to the next level of their life whether that be going range of career going to a post secondary school are going into the military his gal that up by the system with eleven thousand students that's for the challenges because you can have a teacher doing some really neat earth lies ation of learning but to ensure that every child has that engagement and not a voice in the choice in the learning is what west Fargo is really committed to and working on when I get out of that is it's sort of the opposite of the model of all gold of no child left behind word there is these rigid you know what Rick got guard rails up up where you know we did there is that as much freedom for the actual at the instructional level is is that there is that is that the benefit of this more than anything to be able to have that freedom to be able and available cracked and we're fortunate again we have a governor who is all about that is all about kicking down some of those walls that are in place that ensure that school never changes for hundreds of years it you know we're taking down some of those wild piece by piece but again ensuring that the rigor is still there and that we we can have a student that is ready for the real world so it's not saying you know people do whatever you want just told me that bill Gothard is fine do it that is not what we're saying we want it to be engaging and purposeful for students but we do know that the rigor and the standards are critical to ensuring that our students are ready for the future how difficult is it to do what you just described okay use you see that is that as the A. innovative ways so kids learn and and and the outcomes are are are great yet at your at a time when you more and more and more have you know many of your teachers are having to be mental health professionals more than they're being actual teachers what what what would explain the the challenge of that landscape non education I'm so glad you asked that I had a principals meeting a few weeks ago a welcome back August one you know let's hit this year running and we did an activity where we were describing what you know we were describing a student and their needs and then are we offering what that student needs now and if not what is that that that student needs to take them into the next level of their learning engagement and passion and what I learned from those conversations is that because we have so many students that have mental health needs that even our leaders are having a little bit different a difficult time imagining this creative world that we want to take them to because we need to make sure that their basic needs are met so we will continue to work on the peace of the mental health in ensuring that we have resources in the school because and tell those these are mac it's very difficult for a child to be concerned about about learning and academic so it it's making sure those pieces are in place first but then the engagement he is also does when a student find passion and purpose in their learning that is also going to help them be engaged and also going to help their overall mental health but we do know that there are there are situations where we really need to meet those needs first before we can even take it to that next level governor Bergen said that you know he doesn't want schools firing a social workers he wants a hiring more teachers and and you know and and believes that with this integration team North Dakota between other department Human Services and the department public construction that you know some of that can can you know lighting that load a little bit on on your teachers and other teachers throughout North Korea will that work do you think that you see that integration working well with the private image services any partnership we can create will help we would love to work with the department of Human Services continuing to work with our state or all out where we know that there are organizations in our community that have the tools the skills the training the expertise to come into our schools and we're doing more and more of that all the time to ensure that those needs are met so I would agree that that is great that the school district employees don't necessarily need to be those people we can partner and together we can really make a difference in the lives of students because you know you started in the classroom you know I I forget how long only started started with the west Fargo a school system do you even in the time from from you know being a teacher in the classroom to being now superintendent and even from your time as a you know as a student in school growing up is is vastly different right now right I mean those are really different but there are pieces that are not that I'm gonna give a shout out to our educators when I go into a first year teachers classroom in when I was the assistant superintendent for elementary there was a point in time where I was in every classroom in the entire district I am amazed at the skill that the teachers come with the training that provided now through our district and through our universities but you know really drilling in at the district level these training are these teachers are so engaging and they're doing so many awesome things to reach the needs of our students it Arthur passes anything I ever did when I started my career at higher what it's just a really exciting and impressive to see what what some of our teachers with their creative minds and their dynamic way in that Chris my they bring to the classroom highly highly impressed of a bell perfect all purpose but what they're doing best slutty the superintendent of the west Fargo schools fastest growing school district and in North Dakota texture says Scott with all the talk about mental health problems in the school is it time to start removing these kids from the general population in either educating them in separate schools were entirely different areas of corn schools I get the needed to get these types of kids a normal experience but at what point does it become a hindrance to the students and teachers that have to deal with the disruptions on a daily basis our I'll give you the wonderful luxury being able to think a little bit about that question and we will answer.
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Too hard time D._J.. For Southern Gospel station that was owned by Cakes O._J.. So we actually had <unk> songs like the Brothers Zaydan Israel on Capitol records. That's an inspirational song that warns us about the dangers temporary lurking out there in this sinful and carnal world. Can I get an Amen Dan a man okay <hes>. This is an album the tells us <hes> that it's important for us to walk with Jesus. This is the singing Gospel. Let's Gospel at G. O.. S. P. The E.. L. E. T. T. E. S. recorded in Stereo phonic high fidelity. No just stopped. I can't do anymore awful. I can't do it to you. All right. Human being has their limit dammit. This guy's name is Steve Taylor. I found his story very interesting. This is a classic eighties album covers <hes> for his debut album called. I want to be a clone and you see the Christian clones. They're all lined up in the pews. Okay there was an EP or an a mini a C._d.. Or a mini L P and it was really brave. This album actually really was pretty on edge for calling out Christians for being clones for not having identities of their own for sitting in the pews and just being sheep the the sheep wool and not doing any of their own thinking you know I was now I look back and wonder if he was truly a skeptic or if he was just one of those guys who belt like the Church had problems and he wanted to fix that ship from within this is the nineteen eighty-five cover for his album. The Fritz classic eighties album covers well. This album came out right around the time of the first robocop film and I always thought and I'll show you the photographs. I always thought that Steve Taylor looked like the actor for robocop Peter Weller I mean look at the do you see a resemblance or is it just is my mind playing tricks on me Steve Taylor Peter Weller I mean it's not a perfect resemblance A. D. it. Let's think on these things my friends two years later he released this album called. I predict nineteen ninety so Steve Taylor starts out as his controversial introver- she'll figure in Christian music. He's poking fun at the clones. He had a single in nineteen eighty-four call. We don't need no color code. It was actually a song criticizing Bob Jones University because they had an anti interracial schol dating policy in place at the time at Bob Jones and this guy was calling them out he wrote songs making fun of televangelists like Jimmy Swaggart and other T._v.. Preachers asking for money he wrote a song directed at Christian in Cult Leader Bill Gothard. It was called manipulate. I mean this is pretty heavy stuff for Christianity and they actually ended up pulling the album. I predict nineteen ninety from the shelves over a song called. I blew up the clinic real good. This song criticized anti-abortion activists who said they'd be prepared to bomb planned parenthood right a imagine how many lives you'd save if you went in and you bombed an abortion clinic and so he wrote this song to criticize those was awful. People Steve Taylor is still around. He released a single called Moonshot back in two thousand fifteen. I haven't heard it. I don't know anything else. This popped up in my searches for classic Christian album covers..
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Atheist Experience
"Thing i've been keeping up in new guys on and off for the past ten years you've been in amazing resource thank you very much thank you thank you very much very much yeah doesn't back to the circumcision thing just not come back to we see often the guardians parents cultures will do things that may in fact or or do in fact damage someone but they're not done for reasons of mouse they're done because the people who were doing them genuinely believe that this is right this is beneficial you know we have a christian worldview we send are children to you know bill gothard home scored we have a bill gothard home school thing which is hugely damaging but in their mind they believed it is right unnecessary a they spank their children because the bible says spare the rod at cetera after that it's amazing to see you know that all of this seems to fall under they umbrella of well why don't you just let people believe what they wanna believe why do you have to raise their hand protest what he had to criticize and of course it's a great is because these things don't exist in their own little microcosm they always ripple out into actionable things and they affect the lobster by other people people often dizzy young impressionable in the vulnerable andhra so when i hear you know about this type of thing it always has to come back to people need to be able they need to be allowed to and they need a give themselves permission to leave their own life and that's so hard when you've been raced in it authoritarian model a lot of people i would say a good chunk of people in for very good reasons generally avoid conflict is a great experiment that i'm always reminded of and we hear about conformity where they would take a bunch of actors and put them in an elevator facing the back wall somebody new walks in stands there and of course they're facing the door nobody else face any other way and the number of people who turned a face the back wall with everybody else is staggering a in a rather than it it doesn't make any sense there's no reason to it there's tons of experiments that show that sort of thing and we were talking about this is you know if somebody says hey we can't just let people believe whatever they want well first of all i am i i'm not forcing anybody think about beliefs were were making arguments for why certain things are reasonable rational or good ad why some things aren't end so when it comes to like all the people who like oh well i respect to the child and i turned out okay i'd argue that you didn't if you're continuing that trend end would we ever say when when when people challenge done is on corporal punishment oh well you know it's always happen okay that's a policy it's called appeal tradition go look it up a well you know it's my religious religious conviction the spare the rod points for the child okay if somebody came in and said i've been beating my spouse but it's my strong religious conviction that i should be allowed to do that would let that slide no so what makes the child different i'll tell you exactly what makes the child different adults will say you can't reason with a child the way you reason with adult so what am i left with other than they hit him i don't know how about being left with try fucking harder or be a little patient or recognize that if you're not gonna get through to them with reasoning what the hell do you think hitting them's gonna do it it it it dries a great great maim like a embroidered statement and and it said tradition it's like peer pressure from dead people that's i mean i get the value of tradition and you know the merit of ritual and the human experience that's how we frame are experiences i'll be framed much of are lived i think it's worth it to worthy endeavor have traditions and kerry them on if they have merit on their own but otherwise it's just peer pressure from dead people were talking about traditions that are just fine now that they're the day was so's independence say the united states are basically.
"bill gothard" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left
"I've sorry for everything I've done to hurt my children. I love my children. Hi, only want the best for their happiness has fairy. Important bullshit bullshit. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't really seem like that's the case. And then David Turpin. He read his sentence read partially my home schooling and discipline had good intentions. I'm sorry. If I've done anything to cause them harm. Are you kidding me? Really? They comes from what seems to be a mentality between this world of what's called cripple Christianity, which quiver full means literally a quitter filled with arrows is a movement of very conservative Christian. Couples also called providential. Okay. Essentially, the idea is to fuck and have many kids as humanly possible that is one of the the idea is that they believe that the concept of go forth, and multiply was supposed to be taking literally you're supposed to create as many disciples of God as you can within your own family. Now, this is just that is a section of it. We don't really know what specific branch of this type of conservative Christianity that they followed one good example is this is a group called the institute and basic life principles that it was run by a guy named Bill Gothard. That is a it's an insidious group. It sort of creates this concept of true patriarchy. They also run a they have all these shell companies like one is called the ATI, which the I believe the advanced training institute, which was a home schooling section because all of the Turpin family was obviously homeschool the more. They were homebound the less less decided that they saw and they they had become I believe it was called the sunny Doon school. I forget the name. But what he would do is the advanced training institute was supposed to teach parents and kids how to home school themselves under the actual teachings and belief systems of Bill Gothard, which is this umbrella system, which is it came as a reaction. To the hippie movement of the nineteen sixties. We'll Bill authored this fundamentalist Christian. Basically said the problem is that our children have lost all respect for authority. So we have to re teach an entire generation how to respect the thorny by creating a hierarchy within our home, which is God is the ultimate umbrella. The thing that is just below. God is the dad and just blow that is the mom and just blow that or the children, and that the father needs to be viewed as a Representative of God in this world. And, but of course, what happens when Bill Gothard is daddy of the entire institute. Daddy, gets I lick at every single virgin that comes oh his first question of every single child. That's brought into every woman. That's brought into the which is also started a very short lived boarding school where he would bring children into teach them twenty four seven these various teachings and the first question would be is you of. You of it. Honestly, sounds like that horror film that I watched recently, which I highly recommend level sixteen little under the radar but great movies. So this is a really good. Really good. Right. So this is an offshoot of evangelical Christians the Christianity that really grew. As Henry was talking about is sort of a protest to the seventies the sixties and the eighties. As a matter of fact, there's a book that this may have been in my house growing up. It's called the way home on feminism back to reality written by Mary pride, and obviously she is on the forefront of this quiver full movement. And as Henry mentioned, obviously, the quiver, it's usually filled with arrows. But in this case, those quivers are babies, but there for Christ has ideas that each one of them is supposed to issue for the message of God. So in her book, pride chronicled, her metaphorical journey away from what she labeled feminist and anti Natal ideas of happiness within she had lived as an activist before conversion and. Conservative. Evangelical Christianity now because she was a former evangelical Christian. That's why I don't like extremists the extremist mind can be manipulated to have a different philosophy. When you lose a friend evangelical ISM, it's usually the friend. That was the most like, let's party and do non stop drugs. And then they're like, no, let's not party do nonstop Paret. Cool. It's like, okay. I
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Living Room with Joanna Weaver
"In bringing me to the end of myself. I began to discover crease amazing crease how sweet the sound because it's that grace that saves wretches like you in like me, I wanted just to spend a little time to answer a question that really I had what is grace. I mean, I had grown up singing about it. I'd grown up hearing about it. But I really really didn't understand it. Now. I was offered a couple of definitions, and they're good definitions by think they were incomplete perhaps you've heard these definitions as well. First of all, I was told that grace is God's unmerited favor. And yes, it is. Oh my goodness. Listen, you guys we didn't choose God. He chose us for some crazy reason he looked down through time in he put his finger on us. And he said, I want you you I want you to be my girl while we were still sinners the bible tells us Christ died for us. We can't earn salvation we cannot work hard enough to achieve it. It's God's unmerited favor that is a beautiful beautiful facet of grace. The second definition. I was taught came from an acrostic someone came up with God's really. Riches at Christ's expense. And that's a great definition as well. Except to be honest. They didn't really understand it. It just felt like a bunch of words God's riches at Christ's expense. Well, when I thought about it. I thought we'll yes that is true. I have been reconciled to God. All because of what Jesus did on the cross the bible tells us that we were estranged from God, we were actually enemies of God. But then she's came and he died on the cross any paid for our sins. And he brought us back to our heavenly father. And because grace in what Jesus did I'm no longer exiled. I am brought home. I am the child of got adopted into his family. I'm a joint air with Christ. Which means all of the riches that Christ's enjoys is mine not just heaven one day, but got strength in his power. In his wisdom here on earth. But you see that's the last part of God's riches that I didn't really understand all I could see was Christ's expense. It wasn't until I attended a seminar a basic life institute seminar that I heard a definition of grace that changed everything for me. I'll never forget. I was sitting in a big sanctuary with a bunch of people, and we were scribbling notes in a notebook as we listen to Bill Gothard talk on the screen. There had been so many nuggets that were really life changing for me. But then he said these words grace is the power and the desire to do. God's will all my word any gave biblical versus to support it in there really are so very very many as you begin to study it out, but the one that really resonated with. Me was a part of the Libyan's to that. I had completely missed. Remember? I told you that I had lived from Philippians two twelve therefore my dear friends, as you have always obeyed continue to work out, your salvation with fear and trembling I had that part down. But I had completely missed the very next verse. Where Paul writes for it is God who works in you to will and to act, according to his good purposes, that means you guys God, not only not only has saved us. But he wants to give us the power to want to do his will and the power to actually do it. Because here's the deal. You guys the same grace that saves us is the grace that changes us now that amazing good news. That's the power of the gospel. The power. That sets is free from the power of sin is we do not have to stay the same way. We are. And if we do if all we have is grace for heaven grace that saves us. We will miss out on our inheritance in Christ. Because Jesus came to make us new creations. He came so that the old could be gone and the new could come and we're gonna be talking about that in these solo shows. But here's what I want you to do when you hear something in an interview or you hear something in the solar show that that really kind of puts its being on a sin place in your life or place where you need to grow. Please. Please please do not hear those words through the lens of works and half to try hard Christianity. No, please. Listen to it through the ears of grace. See what God is saying through the rose. Colored glasses of Jesus's blood that has not only cleansed from sin but wants to transform us into his likeness. Let's live from the grace upon grace that John twenty twelve tells us about the grace upon grace the multifaceted grace of God, his unmerited favor. God's riches at Christ expense and his power and desire that he wants to put in us to do. God's will. Let's let God get his hands on us. And when he puts his finger on something rather than resisting or resenting it or letting paralyze you with condonation simply agree with the diagnosis and asked Jesus to bring the cure, and then as the Holy Spirit lead to cooperate with God's grace to change. I love what Paul says. And I Corinthians. Fifteen ten he writes these words by the grace of God, I am what I am wisened to this part and. His grace to me was not without a fact in other words, God's grace changed Paul and it wants to change you in me. Then he says these words echoing the verse invalid paeans to twelve about working out. Our salvation with fear and trembling Paul writes, I worked harder than all of them. But then he clarified by seeing yet. Not I but the grace of God that was with me. I can't wait to see what God does in you. I can't wait to see how grace rewrites your story. Like, it's rewritten mine because I'm telling you, it's amazing this beautiful. Chris we have John Newton was a slave trader, and he was so overwhelmed with guilt that it brought him to Jesus and he asked for forgiveness, and he spent the rest of his life trying to pay. 'institution for what he had done. He wrote the famous hymn amazing grace as his testimony. But there's a line in that song that has become my testimony as well. Twas grace that taught my heart to fear and grace, my fear relieved, you know, what looking back on kind of glad I'm kind of glad that God. Let me try to do it on my own. I'm kind of glad that grace had caused my heart fear that I really did want to honor God with my life in do the right thing. But then that grace came and grace my fear relieved because it's not just up to s you guys. We don't have to live in condemnation in fear and loathing of ourselves, and our inadequacies we simply let me to access the grace of God, the bring salvation Titus two eleven twelve. It teaches us to say no to ungodly godliness into live a holy life. 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"bill gothard" Discussed on Halfway There | Christian Testimonies | Spiritual Formation, Growth, and Personal Experiences with God
"And you found much more compelling. What was it about about in that meeting that really the Holy Spirit? But what was it kind of drove you? Well, it was what drove me was. I had a lot of unanswered questions as as a young teenager and kind of a lot of that stemmed from gona public high school. It's like the things they taught you were sort of like diametrically opposed to to the things you learned in church growing up. Right. You know from evolution to all. These different theories. I like, well, wait a minute that does away with this. And that so, you know, I was sort of confusing sort of searching and when I went to this youth ranch the pasture in his wife. They're like sixteen or seventeen years old. I was twelve well there were like adults to me. And I remember them pulling up in this Volkswagen beetle with surfboards on the roof. And he's and he was barefoot. They were both barefoot. And they're like, hey, we're here to do the tonight's. Praise and worship and bible study. And I'm like, you're like a Europe priest understanding, you know, and so is Christianity and contemporary foreign to me, which was cool as young teenager. And I was like right this this is really help. I can get into this. And that was kind of their draw. You know, the obviously they want appeal to youth then grab met at the right time. And I was there, and I was ready. Yeah. Was that? Like, I don't know when the says the want to date your, but it was that like, I'm thinking Jesus culture kind of time period. Was that? No confessions be out. I'm fifty nine now. Okay. I'm going back to like seventy two seventy four. Yes. I'm thinking Jesus. Jeez. Movement kind of kind of thing. He sounds very very early roots. Because there was a lot of really staunch just like really stiff teaching out there. I remember. Going to Bill Gothard events. And I don't know if you've ever been to any of those praise the Lord, I have not and at the risk of offending. I don't know if anybody who is in Bill Gothard circled listen to the show. But yeah, I'm definitely not not not a fan. Sara, the the expressions made here aren't Representative of this show. It's no browse. I guess even you even modern Christianity can stop be stuffed into this is what you do. This is what you don't do, you know in a very legalistic way..
"bill gothard" Discussed on Halfway There | Christian Testimonies | Spiritual Formation, Growth, and Personal Experiences with God
"So child like you're living in just one remove your house, and you give that room to Christ her Christ. Come. In habitats at but as you walk with Christ. He comes into more and more of those rooms and dab is a never ending process. Repentance, ceaseless talk about how the longer you walk with Christ, the better, you are able to repent so often we think of it this. Then you do one time at the beginning. And then you're done repenting. And if only that were true, all right? I have to keep repenting. And I like to believe that I get better at it, very often. It doesn't feel that. That's the case. But it is. It's a it's a process that suggesting. Yeah, it was pretty conservative family is that right? Yes. I grew up home schooled. My family was kind of middle of the road home school families. So I have four brothers and sisters. There's five kids. So we didn't have ten kids will didn't have two kids middle of the road. And we went through a very conservative phase when I was in middle school in Angola into high school, and we certainly surrounded by some of the most conservative voices in the home school community set Doug Phillips, as very conservative voice. I'm ever going to some events at his retreat center and Bill Gothard events, you know, author would come to town. We would go to that. And and so very much a part of that very conservative stream of evangelical homeschool world. Yeah. The reason I asked is because the metaphor of the rooms of your of your life is actually trees Avila, which is is you know, she was obviously Catholic. So that's kind of an interesting. Interesting connection. Maybe. Didn't know about that. But. Yeah. Did you know? Catholics. Have a lot of great insight, and they spend time meditating I've noticed on different aspects of of the bible and different aspects of Christ's character. And I think that that yields different insights into God. That can be very viable. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. That's may may not be as profound as I thought it was. But it was an interesting kind of metaphor to come. From a conservative person. I think that's it says a lot about FEMA. That's what I'm trying to say. So that's that's cool. See grew up in this Christian family winded faith, or your relationship with Christ become your own. So it for me. I mean there were moments like, I prayed the prayer when I was three or four, and then I was about ties in water and blunt. I think goes eleven eleven or twelve and that was a process of it becoming my own leaving the house kind of growing up moving out became more of my own at that point. So I don't know if there was a like a moment, or it's like I own this now, so I remember before college I came across which summit ministries worldview camp and her Marquette, he'll speak about evangelism. And I got fired up for sharing the gospel and witnessing and passing out tracks. And so I was one of those kind of Jesus freaks in college. We'd be passing tracks and sharing the gospel with anyone that moved whether they wanted to hear it or not. That would that was what I was into in college. And you know. The act of sharing the gospel. I think helps you own it as well definitely helped me on it and being criticized being persecuted and getting into discussions and debates with people I think all of that was part of that process of owning that faith and in that process. I kind of picked up some things I wasn't a part of the. Prosperity gospel. Few follow Jesus good things will happen, and you'll be healthy and wealthy, but I did pick up a relational version of that from the very concerted community. They actually believe in a form of prosperity gospel. She was the relational prosperity gospel. Which is if you do the right things if you listen to the right music, if you wear the right clothes, God will bless your relationships. Hope give you a happy family, your children will be respectful and you'll.
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"Every minute of every day. Limiting your. You can be whatever you want to be don't be that. Don't be that over there. Don't be like that. Don't be like them. Don't be like that. It's a weird hypocrisy. That's going on. I came home from public school third grade Carl Sandburg elementary school. And I told my mother about all the mazing stuff. I learned in homeroom about Neanderthal. You know, what's not in the book agenda? Neanderthal. And so the alarms were going off weight. This school is not reinforcing are biblical worldview. And so my parents took us kids three of us left at home, and they plucked us to into timbale Christian school when I was in fourth grade year, we studied with the program. Anybody familiar with ABC? Well, if you're not familiar with these little assaults upon education science, and then common sense. AC is a popular curriculum for private and homeschool successful rated Christian education developed by Bill Gothard, who has just really tragic ideas. He is the Pounder of the institute for basic life principles, and you learn with pace booklets, meaning that, and I like the concept that instead of being sort of tied to the slowest person in the class, you can learn and move ahead and sort of all educationally at your own pace. I kinda did the idea, but the books themselves were reinforcement of Christianity, Christian, nationalism and blind obedience, magical, thinking religious bigotry, personal guilt and shit ton of Shane. And this is all trust up in the language of love. And goodness. Here's just a few classic examples. You've got it's hard to see here..
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"And everybody in the. Senator of them. And again, it's a symptom I think of a much deeper problem. Ultimately, at the end of the day, though, I'd like to think that people will come to their senses. Everybody will hit the brakes and in the highest court, the land, we'll see some moral people, good, respectful people, whoever they are, who aren't just simply political pawns were lying about their past on the court itself. So I don't know. Do you have any optimism and all about the future? What do you think? I I really do. I think that a big thing with them a lot of moms in the south, like I'm on kind of like this, not quite so the extent of the women in the video is there's a lot of internalized misogyny. I think I think like they a lot of these women have spent their whole lives being told by like the audience and had to be a spoken to recently in court crusty old white men. And I, you know, I think that I think these women have spent their whole lives being told that it's normal and being. And so they tell their daughters that, and they think that that's just facts. And I think that a generations get older and our next generation kind of starts to actually impact how things are being handled. I think that things will get better, but I think that they're just as attitude in the south that very echo chamber and kind of really hard to break through that. We'll plus it good God telling him that man is the head of the house in the woman submits to the man. Remember that grant you'll Bill Gothard books. It shows God, he's the umbrella, and then under God is man and then woman, and then the children and everybody undermanned is submitting to him as he submits to God. So they've been taught that an active obedience to God is just shut up and do what their husband says. It's pathetic, hey, do me a favor would you don't ever behave? Like I know you're surrounded. All these women who behaved just don't behave. I like you better the way you are all. Okay. Just wanna throw that up. Thank you say, well, if I may, you were a great communicator, whatever boundaries you've had to sort of cross to be able to overcome the autism. However, it's affected you, whatever you're doing is working. You are a great communicator year, a lot of fun to talk to on the radio, and I think you've been a great and entertaining call for the audience as well. So well done and let's do this again. Okay. Thank you very much that it's great to talk to you. Hope it's okay that I ask about those types of things. I'm just curious, run. No, I think that's how we learn. Sometimes at least it's how I learn. If you have a contribution for an upcoming show, specifically, I'm going to do go stories in the middle of October. Shoot those to me. I'll give you. In fact, if you give me a story that I use for the broadcast will give you a promo code for a free audiobook copy on audible for stories. I've got a few that I've got lined up, but I could cheer us few more and if
"bill gothard" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM
"Heart surgery he had or something I was like But I mean. I've seriously had There's, a guy named A guy named Bill Gothard give these things that people would go. To in one thing he said. That stuck with me he had some. Good stuff in it, one thing he said when you take up an, offense for another person You know like I was going to stand up for all. Disabled people because I used to. Get up several guys from bad and. Put them in their, wheelchairs and so they're all real hot about those Everything but when you're, gonna take? Up an, offense for somebody. It's. Like it's, like trying to go. In a, dogfight and grab one of the dogs by the. Year they're gonna forget about each other and, bite your face off you know so I I hear you yeah so I I could see it I mean I even approached a car wants to clean up I have to clean your parking lot tonight protest, a car? To clean and some guy thought, that I was going after his early started yelling, stuff at me that I haven't even ever yelled at anybody because he thought. That, I was. Near his girl you know so? I'm just in this case the 47-year-old that confronted. Them, over the parking space what he ever confronted them if he didn't have a. Gun in his pocket. Yeah that's right would he. Be brave enough in? I think this is a case of little Manson well then that was? The whole question? One and not everybody should, carry a gun the Trayvon Martin situation it. Was? The same, thing would he have done would this have happened if he wasn't carrying your gun Bob bottom line is he he he wasn't willing to fight but. He was willing to shoot and kill right Yeah Elena good morning they Elena Hey. Yager, stole, my thunder. Good morning That's exactly what I think, you know you have the store owner other people witnesses saying. That this. Is this guy staying in you're right he shouldn't have a gun. Because, he thinks he's the. Park police You sit there and say hey you, know y'all don't seem like y'all needed departure Yasha parked here and move on. And? I guarantee you if he. Didn't have, that gun he went went over there and start an argument with anybody about anything but they've, had to call the, police because he's harassing people about warning, park right what the. Hell I understand you know he, shouldn't have parked there because there's people that might need to part there and you know, maybe he's, swooped. In but if he hadn't had. That gun he wanted. Went over there started that argument with that that, young lady and her her husband coming out and trying to defend her sitting here, you know starting so he, didn't have a. Gun he, wouldn't have started I guarantee you if you take. His, gun away if you separate. That and just look, at him being shoved down to the. Ground like he's a rag doll which, he was I mean he was just thrown down. Like he was nothing yeah. He confronted, the wrong people then at, that point his life might have been in danger I at. The very. Least second understand understand him feeling like his life was in danger I didn't it didn't look like it was, in danger to me well you can't you can't say you're not him, you're not there I can say that all day long to but that doesn't. Matter? He felt his life was. Threatened because, he can't.
"bill gothard" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600
"Doesn't appear in scripture one time not once um now it talks about brotherly love fla oh it talks about perfect love a copy but nowhere to we here in the bible the discussion of this physical bus full of euros i heard it from i think bill gothard in old dame in volume in teaching build gothard i had said that love was guide was providing vital needs to other people without personal gain as your motive so i can love everybody it's my responsibility to love everybody to love my neighbor has myself you look at pulse writing and he describes what lavas mothers patient love it and and it goes through this whole list what love is right lavas forgiving guess what these are all while every one of them is a skill set saw i mean you can learn to to every single things that that is described as love love is a skill set that can't be practice it is not an emotion will again it it you know if you look at the king james on it it's says charity and that love and so now we have a a better application i'm supplying something to somebody not because i can gain from it not because it's my leftovers but it's because i see a need and i have to fulfil that neat your crossed my path or it's an obligation that we have to now so so we go to church but does not necessarily mean we're being ecclesiastical no can i go further on in i garage you know so so so moses to tells the feira let my people go that they may come serve me right and so they get called out the step across the waters or dry ground right and continue reminded of of their obligation that stuck with them so much that they even while living in tents they knew that occasionally they had come out of their tents and gather together and say hey we got a problem in our community how are we gonna fix this problem and they would call the the people out into the streets are into the the you know into assembly and and do so so congress gatien is acceptable but it became part of a of a lifestyle or an understanding in their involvement in community and.
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"A controversies surrounding gothard and his ministry's which had been around for decades upon decades yeah yeah go gothic well now up to speed with the rest of the let's meet to than hashtag bill gothard yeah are you comfortable dr when owns sharing any of your own story your experience an escape here on the radio i sat at this second chapter in my book i was style charlet missionary score up in taiwan and went to a christian boys school the hope bit and was very sell us myself in fact my grandfather who was also missionary called me the best christian in my family sounds like benny bowers but i love betty bauer the best christian in taiwan lum but and and i was also pentecostal charismatic outspoken tongues which i can still do a boot was very very meaningful to me up through high school but i was always always thinking about it always questioning and and studying the bible and breathing in writing reading papers about it and so you know as i encountered more ideas on i couldn't help but think about them different classes in high school men in college there were even more classes and books that really made me question everything and especially things like class an existential ism philosophy classes then psychology psychology just blew me away the fact that there were other explanations for human behavior and other explanations that that may humans it basically innocent that learning that behavior was learned that a child with anxious sinful for coloring on the wall and meeting punishment which really is a pet peeve of mind by the way the way that that very very small children i considered sinful and that there's this ignorance about child development cut a wilful ignorance because there's so much information available but the hull um dopson kind of approach where children moms at age two months can be actually sydney and needing punishment settlers you know they're are those discussions as well above the age of accountability this is something that the church doesn't agree on either you know every child rechoose an age where it understands its own actions and can be accountable for those actions meaning that they are now a candidate for hell and that can be four can be three can be seven depending on the child this was hugely confusing theology your teaching from the church now and the thing is that an ad as.
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show
"I was doing some research last night on on a on a guy named bill gothard and he is a of i i would save a fairly well known in evangelical circles he he's he's a legalist i'm i don't know any other way to put it and i was watching the documentary on bill gothard in one of the first people one of the first character witnesses if you will that they interviewed about bill gothard it was the name of this documentary was called the cult next door was this guy that i had confronted and i bring that up to two illustrate how it so easy to go in i this is you know this kids story as i don't think no any different than a lot of people story where they go from a very very legalistic background he had been inundated and bill gothard teacher at teachings all the way back over to the other side where he is now off the theological deepened were in a youth anything goes and john your story fascinates me in its i would like to ask you why you didn't go all the way over to the the you know the deepened theologically but we i think we can shock that up to to the grace of of god as well which is why i wanted to bring you on now in the interest of full disclosure as as well um john you have five kids five beautiful kids and i there's there's one of your children who i think is is probably the most beautiful and her name is elissa also i'm dating her right now and lest any of our our audience think that i'm i'm just trying to do this to get into the grip good graces of my potential father in law i i'm not doing it because of that but if it helps you know along the line sucking up to maybe maybe one day askar ask for her hand in marriage than than all all do that but john right now you have just come out of vista in the last few weeks a major surgery at the at the mayo clinic in.
"bill gothard" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show
"The death and resurrection on the cross the freedom that we have is freedom from that bondage that original sin that is the freedom that we are talking about because left to our natural does devices our lives are always going to be incomplete we are always and you know i i played that clip of bill gothard during during the montage on the tv show today where in one clip he says and he hit the i didn't even play the whole thing just want to make it as as quick hitting is possible but he talks about how grace is free gift of god and he talks about her graze can be resisted and if you don't live to these up to these seven principles that he lays out then your life is going been your resisting god's grace and you don't get god's grace then and he says your life will be one continuous failure he's actually right but not for the reasons that he thinks he is if you live up to any stay andrew card other than if you try to live your life up to any standard for the purposes of being right with god your life will be one continuous failure because anything any effort that you make to be right with god and try to earn his favor and his grace apart from putting your complete trust in the work that he did on the cross your life will be one continuous failure those failures megan look different for different people and i think that's true but at the end of the day the freedom that we're talking about is freedom from the bondage of our sin nature.