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"bill dalton" Discussed on The Herd with Colin Cowherd

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

08:32 min | 6 months ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on The Herd with Colin Cowherd

"You see the jet. Sorority is starting to move some pieces. Let's bring mark. Dominik in from nashville. Tennessee you're part of that Department in the bucks won their super bowl. So you've put teams together and disassembled them. So i said this morning. I believe the jets are just gonna get trevor lawrence. I think he's too good of a prospect. I think it gives the general manager. Joe douglas another three years to build the team less pressure. We got a star and my takeaway. If they do that. I'm pretty sure they will. I do think. Sam darnold is kind of what you're looking for in two thousand and twenty in terms. He can move the pocket. He's a big physical presence. He can throw. The ball makes too many mistakes. But i think you'll get a second chance. What would sam darnold. Fetch on the market in your opinion. Yeah i think if you had a chance to trade for sam darnold knowing that you got the signing bonus out of the way so we got a couple of years to see him. Play quarterback the i think you could easily get to and more. I mean if josh rosen. Winfrey to sam darnold still has so much more in front of him than what josh rosen. Had because you know what. Sam darnold play with terms of around him. There's nobody that's really talented. Able to stand up and say look at all these weapons he gets to work with this great offense of becton when he's in there's been good but he hasn't even been in there so i think it's easily too. I think you could also pull. Maybe a following years one. But it's should be tutus at a minimum for sam darnold. Just the jets. Go that direction would you. As a general manager have rolled the dice on antonio brown. It's not a position of need for tampa. Buddy is a unique talent. What do you make of that. Buccaneers move almost has been positioned in need for tampa bay. I mean the frustrating thing for this team as good as they are they have not been able to get mike. Evans and chris godwin healthy at the same time. Basically all season long. And that's really a big recipe of what they want to be. So i think if you've sat with met with antonio brown and you felt from a medical or standpoint he's in a good spot and then as bruce arians said he's in much better shape than expected then knowing. The tom brady has spent that week with them. That time with him gives me the conferences. That turned say okay. Look we're all in this your anyway right tampa bay leonard for ned gronkowski all this so why not take one more step into it because you're in complete control of the contract and when you're in that kind of control if something goes sideways you let them go. So i understand the decision. For jason. Light bruce arians to say let's add one more piece and maybe we don't have to run the ball anymore in tampa. Yeah so i look at green bay. And i think they need a number two receiver and i think they could use linebacker help. It's not a great free. This is one of the reasons. I didn't love their draft. Is that i think air need help now. He in one month. He's thirty seven sometimes in green bay. Not all the free agents want to go there. I kind of think mark okay. My quarterbacks thirty-seven seattle's adding people. We got physicality issue on defense. You can run on this. Have you ever gone into a trading deadline. Thought i'm an overpay here. A little like my quarterbacks older. We just have a huge weakness. How many more good years to get. I mean there's everything about value or review in your life thought okay. I got thirty seven year. Old quarterback i got over overspent here on free agency. We're calling. I've ran into this issue back in two thousand thirteen. I didn't like the draft class and we came in the year before thirty second. The nfl pass defense. And we're like forty two yards away from the worst pass defense in the history. Nfl so i had to make a decision on trading for durell rivas twenty seven years old and saying can he help the problem the solution so i've been there. Were maybe overpaid a little. Bit looking back now. I mean the went on one super bowls went to pro bowls all pros but not for tampa and so. That's the disappointing thing. When you see these kind of situations so when you're looking at green bay. I agree with you. I think you're right on the cusp. You do realize that you're one of the three or four teams and yes if you did not decide to go in the draft which is clearly a very rich and deep draft class wide receivers. This is your chance. And there's a lot of talk about willfuller and whether he could possibly be late minute addition to this Packers team we will see if that happens. But there is discussions from what i've been talking about. So you know ally manning by today's standards would not have made it in the nfl. He made too many mistakes by year. Two you'd been done but we don't know drew brees doesn't probably get a second chance. But i i look at cuyler murray. And they moved off. Rosen and it was the right call and dwayne haskins washington said it doesn't work for us and i look at her and i saw story this weekend where we talked about this on the show for weeks. I got him for eight. Game live bullets. Let's see if he can play. 'cause i'm going to have houston's number one pick and that may be a top five pick and it sounds ridiculous but the world's changed mark. How many starts would you give a quarterback and and and you don't see the secret sauce you move off. Is it ridiculous to say. Nine starts to Show me something. Is that ridiculous to say. You know what i think. Also the part that. I think a lot of fans aren't thinking about is what's the player like when no one's watching. What's he like in the meeting rooms. What's his body language. Houses leadership skills do people rally around him me. i think. That's what josh rosen. Failed at people didn't really appreciate where he was coming from. Even though he was super smart he wasn't grasping what you wanted to grasp and so although you sit there and say boy he needed more opportunity. He kind of talks you same thing. You're talking about dwayne haskins. There's obviously a group of people within the redskins wash organization that's eighty you know. He's not the quarterback of the future so for to a he does need to play all year. He does need to go out there but certainly His expectations and what he needs to deliver needs to grow as quick as possible. Because of the way that other quarterbacks are playing automatically they go in the national football league. So there's a lot of pressure here. But i don't think nine games is enough if you're in love with the character of the guy and i get the sense that miami does love the character of the guy and that's why they win and put them in even with their three and three. That's a great point if you like him in the meeting rooms and you like him at practice and he You know ingratiates himself teammates. That gives you more time. That gives you more legs so patriots. According to reports one a first round pick in a player for stefan gilmore. Awfully rich to me. Did you ever have to negotiate with bella check. Was he difficult easy. Did you ever have to deal with bill. Right rated with bill. I traded away. Smith a young tight end for fifth round pick and i won that trade. Alex went on to play but alex cup before he went to training camp so i got a fifth round pick but also traded with bill and a keep to leave and didn't love doing that but we'd run into too many issues with keep sleeps. I've traded with bill. I think four times in my. Nfl career is only five. Years is a general manager so we had a lot of dialogue. And it's it's pretty blunt. It's pretty like fast in terms of like what are you think you know. It's really just like a quick conversation. He's the same way on. The phone is on the media. But you just state what you think you believe in and he'll be like. Hey look we're rich. i'll call you back or i think we could get something done here. Let's go ahead and turn the paperwork. I mean it's really fast. It's not like hey let's have a nice long conversation or gm to gm where you kind of do the small talk. It's all business for bill in. So i've been on both sides of one. Some trades and loss of trades with bill dalton. Yeah well it's interesting. Today i say this to joy all the i try not to get paralyzed with being wrong if i get information. I'll tell you what i think. And sometimes i with as a general manager on days like today. Psychologically you don't wanna get burned. But i mean How how what was your mind going into trey. Like how did you view it. Well to me calling your personal assistance and your directors this would bruce and had me doing now is director of player. Personnel pro personnel. Same with rich mckay. I already needed to put the map in front of the general manager. Before i got there meaning i had already called all thirty one other clubs and said what do you have available anybody at all. And you know you get those everybody's on the rosters available for the certain price. And so i would. Even give that to bruce ounce. Look the everything. So then he picked up the phone and say have the heart with gm. When you can talk a little bit more candidly so for me. It was setting the table even as the general manager of the bucks calling. Everybody just finding out exactly what is available on their football team in when it becomes gm gm you have a lot more honesty in truth coming out so you know exactly what so. You're not surprise and.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

Red Ball

02:35 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

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"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

Red Ball

02:22 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

"<Music> <Music> <Music> <Music> <Music> <Silence> <Speech_Music_Male> <Music> <Music> <Music> <Music> <SpeakerChange> At the press <Speech_Music_Female> conference <Advertisement> held <Speech_Female> one year ago <Speech_Female> Ruth <Advertisement> Shelton <Speech_Music_Female> sister got up and <Speech_Female> said something something <Advertisement> I <Speech_Female> think about every day. <Speech_Music_Female> <SpeakerChange> <Speech_Music_Female> She told everyone <Speech_Music_Female> there. These <Speech_Music_Female> aren't just victims. <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> That <Speech_Music_Female> was her sister. <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> It's an <Speech_Female> important point to <Speech_Music_Female> remember her. <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> This isn't just <Speech_Music_Female> the burger <Advertisement> chef <Speech_Music_Female> murders. <Speech_Female> Its Ruth <Advertisement> Shelton <Speech_Female> Story. <Speech_Female> Danny <Advertisement> Davis <Speech_Male> is story. <Speech_Female> Mark <Advertisement> Fleming <Speech_Music_Female> story <Speech_Music_Female> and Jane. Jane <Advertisement> Freed <Speech_Music_Male> Story. <Speech_Female> It's <Advertisement> something <Speech_Female> I sergeant. Dolton <Speech_Female> remembers <Advertisement> daily. <Speech_Female> All <Speech_Female> four of their pictures <Speech_Female> are tacked to the bottom <Speech_Female> of his bulletin <Speech_Female> board right <Speech_Female> above his computer computer <Speech_Female> and he sees them a hundred <Speech_Female> times a day <Speech_Female> and he's <Speech_Music_Female> reminded <Speech_Female> who he's doing <Speech_Music_Female> all of this <Advertisement> for <Speech_Music_Female> <Speech_Music_Female> we can't <Advertisement> undo <Speech_Music_Female> what's been done <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> but first <Speech_Female> Sergeant Dalton and <Speech_Female> the Indiana <Advertisement> State police <Speech_Music_Female> are committed <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> to not compounding <Speech_Music_Female> tragedy <Speech_Music_Female> by <Advertisement> letting <Speech_Music_Female> their killers continue to <Speech_Music_Female> walk free. <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> We <Speech_Music_Female> are donating being <Advertisement> a portion <Speech_Female> of all of our ad <Speech_Female> sales from these episodes <Speech_Music_Female> to <Speech_Music_Female> crime. Stoppers of <Speech_Female> Central Indiana. <Speech_Music_Female> If <Advertisement> you know <Speech_Music_Female> anything <Speech_Music_Female> I sergeant. <Speech_Music_Female> Bill Dalton and <Speech_Female> the Indiana China's state <Speech_Female> police asked <Speech_Music_Female> that you call crime <Speech_Female> stoppers of Central <Speech_Female> Indiana <Advertisement> at <Speech_Female> three one. Seven <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> two <Speech_Music_Female> six two <Speech_Music_Female> tips. <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> That's three one <Speech_Music_Female> seven <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> two six two <Speech_Music_Female> eight <Advertisement> four <Speech_Music_Female> seven seven <Speech_Female> or you can submit <Speech_Female> a tip. Digitally <Speech_Female> by going to their <Speech_Music_Female> website crime <Speech_Music_Female> tips <Advertisement> dot <Speech_Music_Female> org or you <Speech_Female> can use the the <Advertisement> APP p.. <Speech_Female> Three you <Speech_Female> can remain <Advertisement> completely <Speech_Female> anonymous. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> We <Speech_Music_Female> have a link to the crime <Speech_Female> stoppers website <Speech_Music_Female> on our site <Speech_Female> along with <Speech_Music_Female> pictures of the knife <Speech_Female> released last <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> year by the police. <Speech_Female> You <Advertisement> can see <Speech_Music_Female> all of that at Red <Speech_Female> Ball. <Advertisement> PODCAST <Speech_Music_Female> DOT COM. <Speech_Music_Female> If <Advertisement> you recognize <Speech_Music_Female> the knife or <Speech_Female> you know <Advertisement> anything <Speech_Music_Female> again. <Speech_Female> The Indiana in <Advertisement> a state police <Speech_Female> asked you call <Speech_Female> crime stoppers <Advertisement> <Speech_Female> at three one. Seven <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> two six <Speech_Music_Female> two hips <Speech_Music_Female> or visit <Advertisement> crime <Speech_Music_Female> tips dot Org <Speech_Music_Female> <Speech_Music_Female> Dalton <Speech_Music_Female> said it best fast. <Speech_Music_Female> It's time <Speech_Music_Female> to bring closure <Speech_Female> to this crime. <Speech_Music_Female> <Advertisement> <Speech_Music_Female> Thank you for listening <Speech_Music_Female> to Red <Advertisement> Ball

"bill dalton" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

05:01 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"Perfect. I'm here to see Sergeant Bill Dalton. Thank you that was me making my first trip to visit First Sergeant Bill Dalton at Indiana State police over a year ago to say I fell into. This story is still accurate but it feels like an understatement. I've been involuntary with crime. Stoppers Central Indiana for years now and begging them to give me one case any case to cover on a podcast. I wasn't looking for the biggest or the oldest. I'm just as passionate about the ones that no one's heard of. I used my first show crime junkie as a case. Study not to say that I'm capable of solving anything. I'M GONNA leave that to the professionals but to show them that I can tell stories. That are hard to tell and I can get people to care about cases and victims. That might be long forgotten because the public you you listening right now your powerful your interest in cases is what keeps stories alive. And it's what puts pressure on those who committed those crimes so so they know you haven't gotten away with it. It is not over now. I didn't get a lot of traction in the first couple of years. I don't know if you know this but the relationship ship between law enforcement and the media can be rocky and I was asking for something that had never been done at the time before this show. I was easy to criticize police for not working with media. Why not try something new? I'm pretty sure I could have literally been quoted as saying you know. It's been forty years at this point. What what do you have to lose but telling you the story now over a year later I get why? The relationship is so strained and navigating those waters between police police and the public and the media has become as much of a journey as covering the investigation of this case back in two thousand eighteen. I'd almost given up on the idea of working with the police completely. I had tried to start a lot smaller. I asked if I could just get an interview for a single episode of my other show crime junkie rather rather than doing a whole podcast together and I didn't hear anything right away so I thought it was a no until one day in April and it's one of those memories that's that's serious into my brain and feels like just happened yesterday. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing. I was riding along a busy road on the east side side of Indianapolis when I got a call from an unknown number and I never answer unknown number so. I'm not sure why I did that day but I pick up the phone and I heard the stern envoys of an Indiana state police investigator and listen. I don't care how much you work with police. Or what a perfect cookie. You might be in life if the police call you unexpectedly. Actively in the middle of the day you automatically start trying to figure out what it is that you did wrong but I was in the clear and to make a long story short and mostly because I was so excited that I blacked out a little and I probably couldn't recount this to you in detail if I wanted to. The Indiana state police had recently promoted a new first sergeant in charge of investigations best to Gatien's Bill Dalton in addition to managing their act of Caseload overseeing all of the detectives for the Indiana State Police Indianapolis. He would also be managing cold cases and that year was the fortieth anniversary of Indianapolis most notorious cold-case the Burger Russia. Murderers First Arjun Dalton was going to be looking into the case again and the state police wanted to work with me to bring attention back to the story. The story of what happened to four kids back in nineteen seventy eight after they were taken from their jobs at a Burger Chef restaurant driven about forty minutes away and killed in a rural area of Johnson County in many law enforcement agencies. They have a name for cases like this. The cases that rock community and require all hands on deck the ones that will cause a media frenzy an often only leave fear and grief in their wake. They call it a red red ball over the next four episodes. I'm going to tell you the story of the Burger chef murders and what happened to ruth. Shelton Danny Davis this marked Fleming's and Jane freed in hopes that someone somewhere listening to this. podcast might hold the single piece of information needed to reinvigorate vickery this case but I wanna be clear upfront on what you're going to get. I'm not going to dive deep into all the nitty gritty details or theories or named suspects. Those stories have been told. This story is about Ruth Danny Mark and Jane but along with telling their story. I'm also going to take you alongside the investigation again a place. We Armchair detectives don't often get to see to show you the people who haven't given up on this cold case and what they're doing to try and solve it and what obstacles get in the way when detectives try to take a new approach at solving a forty one year old cold case. This is right ball..

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"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

Red Ball

04:59 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on Red Ball

"To see Sergeant Bill Dalton thank you. That was me making my first trip up to visit First Sergeant Bill Dalton at Indiana State police over a year ago to say I fell into. This story is will accurate but if feels like an understatement and I've been volunteering with crime stoppers Central Indiana for years now and begging them to give me one case any case to cover on a podcast. I wasn't looking for the biggest I or the oldest. I'm just as passionate about the ones. No one's heard of I used my first show crime junkie as a case. Study not to say that I'm capable of solving anything. I'M GONNA leave that it to the professionals but to show them that I can tell stories. That are hard to tell and I can get people to care about cases and victims. That might be long forgotten. Because is the public you listening right. Now you're powerful. Your interest in cases is what keeps stories alive. And it's what puts pressure on those who committed those those crimes. So they know you haven't gotten away with it. It is not over now. I didn't get a lot of traction in the first couple of years. I don't know if you know this this but the relationship between law enforcement and the media can be lucky and I was asking for something that had never been done at the time before this show. I was easy to criticize police for not working with media. Why not try something new? I'm pretty sure I could have literally been quoted as saying you know it's been forty years ears at this point. What do you have to lose but telling you the story now over a year later I get why the relationship is so strained and navigating those waters autres between police and the public and the media has become as much of a journey as covering the investigation of this case back in two thousand eighteen gene? I'd almost given up on the idea of working with the police completely. I had tried to start a lot smaller. I asked if I could just get an interview for a single episode of my other show crime junkie rather than doing a whole podcast together and I didn't hear anything right away so I thought it was a no until one day in April and it's one of of those memories that's seared into my brain feels like a just happened yesterday. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing. I was riding along a busy road on the east side of Indianapolis when I got a call from an unknown number and I never answer unknown number so I'm not sure. Why did that day? But I pick up the phone. And and I heard the stern voice of an Indiana state police investigator and listen. I don't care how much you work with the police. Or what a perfect cookie. You might be in life if the police call all you unexpectedly in the middle of the day you automatically start trying to figure out what it is that you did wrong. But I was in the clear and to make a long story short art and mostly because I was so excited that I blacked out a little and I probably couldn't recount this to you in detail if I wanted to. The Indiana state police had recently promoted a new first sergeant in charge of Investigations Bill Dalton in addition to managing their active caseload and overseeing all of the detectives for the Indiana State Police Indianapolis List. He would also be managing cold cases and that year was the fortieth anniversary of Indianapolis as most notorious cold-case the burger chef murders. First Sergeant Dalton was going to be looking into the case again and the state police wanted to work with me to bring attention back to to the story. The story of what happened to four kids back in nineteen seventy eight after they were taken from their jobs at Burger Chef restaurant driven in about forty minutes away and killed in a rural area of Johnson County in many law enforcement agencies. They have a name for cases like this. The cases uses that rock a community and require all hands on deck the ones that will cause a media frenzy and often only leave fear and grief in their wake. They call all it a red ball over the next four episodes. I'm going to tell you the story of the Burger chef murders and what happened to ruth. Shelton Danny Davis Mark Flynn's and Jane freed in hopes that someone somewhere listening to this. podcast might hold the single piece of information needed needed to reinvigorate this case. But I WANNA be clear upfront on what you're going to get. I'M NOT GONNA dive deep into all the nitty gritty details or theories or named suspects vex. Those stories have been told. This story is about Ruth. Danny Merkin Jane but along with telling their story I'm also going to take you alongside inside the investigation a place. We Armchair detectives. Don't often get to see to show you the people who haven't given up on this cold case and what they're doing to try. Try and solve it. And what obstacles get in the way when detectives try to take a new approach at solving forty-one-year-old cold-case this this is right ball.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

01:31 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Perfect example of it wow well he's doomed from the beginning isn't the ancient social be lucky if that were a seventy thirty issue I I all of that but it's not even that close why did you want in on that do you think this is way of getting out and maybe saying something so outrageous that I think he believes this stop does your that is cynical and calculated I know he's that not I haven't come across anybody right or left he doesn't think Bernie believes all the stuff he's saying clearly was bones that's the knock on Elizabeth that is she's just trying to steal some of his excitement but she doesn't really believe it right although this is funny somebody called Elizabeth Warren's care plan a guy named bill Dalton I don't know said it was the longest suing the suicide note in recorded history with with with again similar to what Bernie did just did a list of things that there's no way is majority popular in this country right why are you people doing this adserver saying there's no consensus decriminalization could be a tough general elections cell for the Democrats some Yoder drink there said some voters may disagree with president trump's hardline policies but worry about being too lenient of this this line up is getting more and more interesting yeah Bernie will never transcend his cult band status I mean he's a big cult band I mean he's.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on 760 KFMB Radio

760 KFMB Radio

01:30 min | 1 year ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on 760 KFMB Radio

"That is the perfect example of it wow well he's doomed from the beginning isn't the ancient social be lucky if that were a seventy thirty issue I I all of that but it's not even that close why did you want a moment do you think this is way of getting out maybe same so outrageous that I think he believes this stop does your that is cynical and calculated I know he's that not I haven't come across anybody right or left he doesn't think Bernie believes all the stuff he's saying could was bones that's the knock on Elizabeth that is she's just trying to steal some of his excitement but she doesn't really believe it right although this is funny somebody called Elizabeth Warren's care plan a guy named bill Dalton I don't know said it was the longest suing the suicide note in recorded history with with with again similar to what Bernie did just did a list of things that there's no way is majority popular in this country right why are you people doing this gad server saying a little there's no consensus decriminalization could be a tough general elections cell for the Democrats some yellow earning their said some voters may disagree with president trump's hardline policies but worry about being too lenient of this this line up is getting more and more interesting yeah Bernie will never transcend his cult band status I mean he's a big cult band I mean he's.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

06:52 min | 2 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"At every press conference. This is what it's like, it's you get a monologue question anywhere in there. Oh, Kosta Donald Trump likes to college. Oh kosta. He's irish. So. Yeah. Credential gate is a thing. The Justice department responded to CNN's lawsuit over a Costas pass being taken away saying that in a court filing. The White House has rejected the idea that it can't pick and choose which journalists are given a pass the cover it, quote, the president in the White House possess the same broad discretion to regulate access to the White House for journalists and other members of the public that they possessed to select which journalists receive interviews or with journalists. They acknowledge at press conferences, this is in the official firing from the lawyers now, both CNN and Jim Acosta our plaintiffs. They're supposed to be a big hearing happening right now as soon as we hear anything will pass it on to you. We don't know if they're going to reinstate as credential or they'll tell Jim Acosta looked clown. Kick rocks. CNN you can still be here. But you gotta bring somebody else in here. This morning, the thumb Brian Stelter? He. The phone. He was actually praising some of the other media outlets who came to the rescue of Jim Acosta, take a listen thirteen different. News outlets have issued a joint statement saying they are all going to be filing and joining friend of the court briefs Kate this is the Associated Press, Fox News Bloomberg. This is NBC the New York Times the Washington Post. These are not outlets that usually agree on anything. But they are all agreeing on these basic first amendment values and everybody came to Fox News is defense eight years ago in all fairness all the other networks did when Obama tried to. You know, the short lived war on Fox News didn't really work out. And if you're new to the program, by the way, first of all thank you for listening. Second of all if you're wondering why we call Brian Stelter, the thumb he looks like a thumb, but a picture of a thumb side by side next to America's hall, monitor Brian Stelter, and you're going to see the exact same image. Also on. CNN last night. Don lemon. He was on his program talking about the Jim Acosta credential gate, and he thinks the whole intern grabbing the Mike thing was a setup he thinks it was staged. He was chatting with our legal expert, Bert newborn, and listen to this clip, you kinda got listen closely. But while his guest is talking you hear Don lemon kind of under his breath kinda mutter. I think it was staged people yellow questions all the time. And you know what? I mean, I've been in enough crowds with our hecklers. You wanna control somebody you turn the microphone off? You know, you don't send some poor intern right into a crowd to take the. Your ways to control it. First of all, wouldn't you be violating his rights? If you turn the microphone off, dude. Claim that as well. And I don't think it was. I mean, if if it was really a set, I mean, this intern was had been maneuvering between different reporters the entire time. Handing the Mike off the different people in different news organizations rights. That would be the cost would have to be on on a to somebody gets them. Ten foil send it to Don lemon his going on Jones on panels. There's a part of me that thinks or that knows Donald Trump likes the show or else he wouldn't have called on Jim Acosta in the first place. He likes the circus. He likes he likes to he likes to put on a show. Batman can't be Batman unless there's a joker on the loose. And maybe you're right. Maybe he caves ear and says, all right? Give him this pass back and the show continued. No, I see may if needed is show then. Yeah, maybe he'll cave. But I don't I if there's genuine animosity, which I do think there is Trump ever. The supreme court could come down and say, yes, we want Jim Acosta specifically in every press briefing. Trump will be like, no he ain't coming in. I'm not letting that guy in here again, I'm not giving into this guy before we hit a break here. I do want to touch on this burger chef murders story. You may have heard about this at the top of the hour in our newscast. And I know our news director Chris Davis. He put together this amazing documentary that we've played here and WIBC about Indiana, cold cases, and one of the most high profile is the burger chef murders in nineteen seventy eight. These murders are forty years old now, and if you're unfamiliar with it four people were basically kidnapped from a burger chef and from what we understand were taken somewhere. Their bodies were found in a field kind of near center grove high school. Nobody was ever arrested on this. Nobody was ever charged. Well, for the first time in a long time, the Indiana state police are asking the public for help. Help. They've shared an image of what they believe is the murder weapon. It's a four inch blade which was found at the scene of the crime back in nineteen seventy eight. Investigators say that the knife's sheet was missing never located police are now wondering if somebody who is alive back then or familiar with the situation remembers somebody that carried that type of knife. If you do you're encouraged to call crime stoppers the police have in new lead investigator on this. He took over this past February. And I believe he's going through all these binders of information twenty huge binders full of information about the burger chef murders and his goal was to restart and reexamine the entire process here. It's it's hair-raising. It's it's. Goose bump inducing, a bone chilling to think that whoever did this could still be out there. Hopefully, hopefully, the whoever did this the demons ravaged their demons of ravaged their soul to such a point that they had to kill themselves. So they could take it anymore. Story. It's I can't even fathom that somebody that would do this is still walking around out there. This new lead investigator sergeant Bill Dalton has also sifting through thousands of hours of interviews and documents so fascinating story with one of the most high profile crimes ever to happen and central Indiana. All right coming up next big very special anniversary for sports fans right here in Indiana. We will tell you why next tomorrow on Tony cats. We'll take a look recounts updates. And there's a study that says men with beards are more attractive. I know six to nine and eleven to one Tony cats right here on ninety. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime?.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:49 min | 2 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Jeffries. She's Ruth Shelton's sister and grew Shelton was one of four people murdered in Johnson county after they were kidnapped speedway burger chef forty years ago, the hope from Indiana state police is that making the burger chef murders a topic of conversation again will generate more tips. They also released a picture of the knife. That was used in the murders of four inch blade without the handle, which was never found. Their hope says first sergeant Bill Dalton is that somebody knows who carried a knife like that forty years ago. That's actually the murder weapon of one of the victims. And it was broken during the course of the merger and the intelligence division of the state police is also putting new technology to work on the case at the Indiana state police museum, Chris Davis, Ninety-three WIBC mobile news. John Hera, and I'm Kirk darling on the level on the go and on Twitter at Ninety-three, WIBC and WIBC dot com. Live from heartland and the crossroads of America. It's Tony cats today. The Florida recount continues. And it is just a mess. I mean, unfortunately for all of us. This is happening. Not that there's a recount. But that there's this belief that people who aren't allowed to vote should have their vote counted, if someone tells you, you know, you have to count every vote. Stop being friends with them. You don't need to be told yet to counter every vote. You have to count every vote. That's actually a vote. And if someone voted. By Email not about and if someone voted who's in the country illegally not to.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on AM 1350 WEZS

AM 1350 WEZS

06:54 min | 2 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on AM 1350 WEZS

"The continua to. Individuals and cigarettes were clearly the most comfortable at the other end were electric devices and canoes chewing tobacco and essentially. What they were beginning to grade was what, the potential of all these? Products for individuals they determine that Electronic devices ninety five percents safer I should acknowledge that in the American context sometimes felt that was a little bit overboard in terms of making grand in terms of relative. Safety I think more recently it's helpful for people to know more locally the National Academy of sciences. Engineering and medicine Well not, endorsing electronic cigarettes That they are definitely safer and they looked at issues having to, do with clearing as well and they all Yes, definitely how role Combustible tobacco use and the people towards the? Station, from. Cigarettes altogether And you know it's, interesting I said this while we were waiting to bring you on is there some kind of a trend, it seems like if this these municipalities trying to fan flavored tobacco and and what. Does that really do for the people who are consuming it will I think that the trend probably is driven and I don't know This conjecture on my part and understand the belief that the legacy of the tobacco industry as not been doing horrible. I think that that legacy has left a significant Brisebois of mistrust Anything that's tobacco industry might do you probably know Kate that. Being like devices or whatnot initially developed by big tobacco it was small manufacturers that basically began the market and it's. Only more recently that the big tobacco companies have gone on board Allergies and how this coming right so I think that you know You know that I think it's. An fortunate, I think that there's an attempt to serve chip away you know given that people have begun and. The, data indicates that more and more people are using electronics. Arrest now I understand of course that and we have an interest. Hopefully we all have an interesting keeping. Rugs fans of all minor and that would include nicotine is well and I think that there's been a lot of. Anxiety. Around the fact that younger folk Reduce tobacco use at. The same time that they have significantly increased the rate of electronic cigarette you as well So. Again there's a lot of anxiety and I think there's some misinformation about that the tobacco industry his targeting youth I can't speak to whether they are targeting youth and that theoretically Peels appeals, could use data, that I have read is that more adults are using flavored nicotine Then the adolescents taking away that option for people I think we're Putting. People at risk Could give up perhaps using electronic cigarettes in potentially, returning combustible tobacco use which is clearly what we don't. Want to have the. I agree with that I mean for anyone who's had to quit smoking and they certainly have used this as a. Way to do it. That would be disastrous and you know, this earlier this year San Francisco and Berkeley city officials past broad ordinances that prohibited the sale. Of flavored tobacco products some that are now embraced by the way that we're talking about to take the place of. Cigarettes for adult addicts so we're speaking with Kevin macgyver clinical professor school of, nursing university, of, California San Francisco Kevin what are your colleagues because it kind of. All over the, board I mean they they must have. Some opinions on this That's a great question it is, it is, all, over the board and I think for the reasons that I just. Described that, there, are many scientists some providers some academics You know were wary of the rise of electronic cigarettes again because of store Co. legacy of the tobacco industry issue is, which, I don't endorse and I don't believe. I know this no. Data to. This issue that only Karnik cigarettes. Will become a gateway for people who have not been smokers Neil pick up the, habit with, electronic cigarettes Bill Dalton addiction to nicotine which can happen and that will then leave them to using, combustible, tobacco again no data with his ass Even. If that were to occur it would likely occur in very very small numbers I think the important thing would be look at all we going to. Be successful in the, in the long run, in using that strategy for those who choose, that strategy to move them either significantly reducing it's not in, fact stopping combustible tobacco use Yeah you know it's interesting, in your profession. I have some family members who work I have one. In particular is the nurse that works at chop in Philadelphia and there are a lot 'cause crazy hours everything else a lot of people who've eighth. A lot of nurses and doctors who right I don't have data on how many nurses and doctors taping I know because I am in nurse that you, know historically were a lot of, nurse who smoked and. Ironically particularly by clinical area mental health we're the highest smokers You know in terms of physician group smokers but, I think it's fair to say, that that has changed Typically over the last thirty or so years Know The surgeon general. Report I, mean the other thing I think it's. Important eight is come of the people who are in support of the ban have been. Using and I understand that concern is that, again tobacco industry.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:56 min | 3 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"You're listening to indiana cold cases what is a cold case what makes it different from any other investigation that question was put to detective sergeant bill dalton of the indiana state police so we would define it as just a run over a period of time that goes unsolved and maybe is not receiving the amount of active tips on something one could probably make the case that there's maybe no such thing as a real coldcase absolutely i mean this is knows all investigations is detective retires or moves or changes displayed the investigations will be transferred to another detective who picks in detective nick hall spa we know some of the in indiana murder statistics on just regular murder someone yourself and what sixty five percent a little bit above the national average of fifty nine but still that's thirty five percent of just murders don't get solved two murder from thirty years ago when fort wayne is part of that percentage that has not been solved a mother father the whole family and a community of people who helped search for a little girl on april first nineteen eightyeight are still looking for closure the story of april marie tensely hugh versailles eightyearold steve and go round family members or anything like april tensely was eight years old when she disappeared her mother remembers that day very well even after thirty years brian april fools day the same day come home change clothes aiglon then she took couple of pieces of our easter candy friend janet tinsley has been the.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast

Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast

04:17 min | 3 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast

"Needs to not allow to me one of the most damaging things that happened to wcw was the way the nwf dan damaged the brand of wcw with nobody talks about is that the reason the nwf was so popular was at the expense of wcw the reason the end w o was so popular was because wcw wasn't cool right that's why the end w'll became the coolest thing in wrestling because everybody wanted to see a group takedown wcw and what happened you built this group that was the coolest thing in wrestling it made wcw less cool it made everybody who was not in the end w o less cool and so when it's time for the good guys to get their shine back when it's time for the good guys to make w w look good again it's not gonna work because you spent too much time damaging the brand and you can't you can't for long term success and that's one of the reasons why i think w w is in so much trouble as the end of yo started to fade out because no foundation had been built for wcw so that when the nwf faded out wcw could still stand you could say what you want to wwe failing to bring back the n w o but the wwe survived after the end w o went away and you can't say that w w so i think that ring of honor needs to learn from the mistakes as much as the bullet club has learned from the success of the n w o and as much as their attribute in some ways to the end w o ring of honor needs to learn from those mistakes wcw and ring of honor as a brand needs to be just as if not more valuable than the bullet club and so having dalton castle as really a ring of honor built star as the ring of honor champion i thought was very valuable i still think if you could get dalton castle to a point where he was in the conversation the way the bullet club is in the conversation that he could be very very valuable but at the end of the day as much as i love dalton castle it felt like and i can't blame this entirely on dalton castle because as much as i'm sure he wanted to be the number one star in ring of honor it was still cody and the young bucks and marty and you know you're still going for the bullet club matches so you know you say what you want but let's be honest the wrestlemainia show it was the kenyan cody show the fact that marnie squirrel was challenging for the ring of honor championship that night was an addition it was a bonus to what was really going on so you know i think that the to put it on jay lethal is probably just to keep that going the maybe they thought okay we can't bill dalton castle the way we want to with the title on him we have to give the title to somebody who's a little bit more established so that the title has more credibility to it i just personally and this is probably because i'm biased and i liked alton so much i personally wish that they had made the investment in dalton castle and made that character become one of the number one values in that brand now i don't think it's time to give up on dalton castle not yet not by a long shot but i do think this is a setback for him although not being the champion will allow him some creative freedom there is this thing where when you're the champion all eyes are on you everything you do matters are you good guy are you a bad guy how are you representing the company how are you doing this and dalton castle is at his best when he's weird when he's controversial when he's doing stuff that is off the beaten path and that's difficult to do when you're the champion when you're the champion your mainstream when you're not the champion you can do experimental stuff so i hope the.

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:56 min | 3 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"You're listening to indiana cold cases what is a cold case what makes different from any other investigation that question was put you detective sergeant bill dalton of the indiana state police so we would define it as just a one over a period of time that goes unsolved and maybe is not receiving the amount of active tips jerusalem is the bellefonte probably make the case that there's maybe no such thing as a real coldcase absolutely i mean this is all investigations is removed detective retires or moves or changes discipline the investigations will be transferred to another detective detective nick all spa we know some of the in indiana murder statistics on just regular murder someone yourself and whatnot sixty five percent there's a little bit above the national average of fifty nine but still that's thirty five percent of murders don't get solved murder from thirty years ago in fort wayne is part of that percentage that has not been solved a mother father the whole family and a community of people who helped search for a little girl on april first nineteen eightyeight are still looking for closure the story of april marie tensely rear shy eightyearold go round family members or anything like april tensely was eight years old when she disappeared her mother remembers that day very well even after thirty years in april fool's day on the same day she come home change close then she took cover cases over easter candy look over her friend at cole's house janet tinsley has been the.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

01:47 min | 3 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Angry i didn't know them personally but i really title kit that is people who ran burger chef offered a twenty five thousand dollar reward for tips that might have led to an arrest reward totaling twenty five thousand dollars that equals about one hundred thousand dollars in two thousand eighteen nearly forty years later at indiana state police post fifty two in indianapolis two fresh sets of eyes are now on the case inches protective nick all spa and sergeant bill dalton her working on going through all of the case files and all of the paper and electric evidence do you guys get now on this so we probably received several over the course of over the course of a year forty years later i received one or two in the last month and a half probably that i followed up on perhaps one of the most fascinating pieces of evidence in the burger chef murders four in any coldcase are to clay sculptures of the men police considered to be suspects at the time there was composite sketches done back in the early stages of the investigation those composite sketches were then taken to purdue university and some mark professors are students there i'm not exactly sure which created these lifelike busts an attempt to put them on tv but not the other sources in the media to make it a little bit more realistic than the two dimensional drawing the detectives both new to the case say their info says the sculptures are accurate from all accounts best best knowledge that we have these are off of the couple of children that were in the area working nearby.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

02:56 min | 3 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"You're listening to indiana cold cases what is a cold case what makes it different from any other investigation that question was put to detective sergeant bill dalton of the indiana state police as we would define it as just a period of time that goes unsolved and maybe is not receiving tips on something as recent as the gulf on one could probably make the case that there's maybe no such thing as a real cold case and absolutely i mean this is you know it's all investigations is a detective retires or moves or changes discipline the investigations will be transferred to another detective who then picks him up detective nick all spot we know some of the in indiana murder statistics on just regular murder salmon yourself and whatnot sixty five percent there's a little bit above the national average of fifty nine but still that's thirty five percent of just murderous that don't get solved murder from thirty years ago when fort wayne is part of that percentage that has not been solved a mother father the whole family and a community of people who helped search for a little girl on april first nineteen eightyeight are still looking for closure the story of april marie tensely versailles eightyearold she wouldn't go round family members or anything like april tinsley was eight years old when she disappeared her mother remembers that day very well even after thirty years in april fool's day same day home close aiglon then she took cover pieces over easter candy over her friend nicole's house janet tinsley has been the family spokesperson since her little girl went missing she stopped to talk with us at the city county building in fort wayne it's a place she knows too well she's talked with detectives there for three decades tens lease lashed walk with her little girl walks to the nfl nfl now cross the street intersex boxster cross stare she went a couple of lax shoes waving and everything i told her come back for clock and you'd be report clark came.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on The Pat McAfee Show

The Pat McAfee Show

01:58 min | 4 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on The Pat McAfee Show

"I here's a i so i work from think him on ninety five and just retired this year thanks to pat so in that too in that twenty years the related advances probably more so than any twenty year period previous in law enforcement things change fast canal gene otherwise one of the new things now you guys probably you see a lot cops approach a car from when they stop it from the passenger side that was ill that wasn't the case like it took when boom of the car invented and so into twenty i took lyle earlier than that it took like ninety years for cops finally came up with the idea of hey there's vehicles on this side of the car maybe we should go to the other side of the car so finally one day they came up with that and they dislike i remember my department they started implementing the new rule i we're going to do sign approaches and you've you're supposed to do it so the first guy knew the did wonderful buddy bill dalton he stopped discarding the interstate and he gets out that when he do pastor said approach you get out of your driver's side door your patrol car and you just walk backward and go behind your own car so you don't silhouette yourself on the headlights in than they don't know why you a surprise them by going the pastor site so he does that comes up with the pastor she said in a fucking ninja of online is on a you there you're trying to get your try not this be seen because if the guy wants to shoot you it's best he don't know where you're at a fairly your unceremoniously gonna shoot yeah yeah but science if he if she they should know because when you when you get shot approach in a car it's always there waiting for you and soon as you show yourself to shoot childlike surprise that might so anyway you'll do this and the first guy did was built dalton and he goes he says he's walking around the pastor side of the of the guy's car the guy has his window down in the driver's side and he's looking back at a patrol car to steadily looking back out the window and then rolls down the passenger side window.

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"bill dalton" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

02:16 min | 4 years ago

"bill dalton" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"A year in which and some of the people do you know it would not play with the middle you would with a little a little right up to well and bill dalton wouldn't broadly so when it gives leave it but if i signed horton which is i'll budget which we have here a win made all the or all of the dubs helping all made pulled looking to it born it wouldn't surprise me it could be something we started the year in the the big one of the big security have look like the branches we didn't you know when i get that done a little bit but to the manufacturers when i be a them but we love did go with that it was that role whatever call it but good bigs that are a couple of able to but we'll a good to read that would talk with roulette at a lot to that would be it all the the the getting here with to be able to get only get from a public i'm going to go from here and you colin cumbersome about that how it would have made it i'm degree assured of in hand lotion in the the great to you anything the equivalent of for example here see idea another agencies of monitored you up fall researchers in pill traded you up over organizations disseminated this information have really messed with that topic and purposely muddied the waters a be got anything like that in australia an all pro very long davis led the thing goldschmidt rid of able to really in the later i get full of labor that was very simple read the couple of example you know strut his lazier with gold beads broken sure it intelligent and the palais switching plug you would it be like few example with we did with will forcible did it was the who had a thing the league interested in the in us to be in you but you know you think i think i kind of got a bird eight all even the very will originally vote but the hell you take it with a played the pipe wicket.

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