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Hard Factor 5/9: Bill Barr Held In Contempt of Congress, More Big Dicked Heroes Coming From School Shootings, Alcohol Consumption On The Rise Worldwide, Lightening Round

Hard Factor

28:39 min | 1 year ago

Hard Factor 5/9: Bill Barr Held In Contempt of Congress, More Big Dicked Heroes Coming From School Shootings, Alcohol Consumption On The Rise Worldwide, Lightening Round

"Wooded you Joe, man. Randy savage this factor in the risk. No one that does better. Like now, does it better repeat myself? Go ahead told me something right now. Moderate. Welcome to another episode apart factor. Thursday may ninth top stories for the day. I'm going to do about Bill bar in contempt of congress. It sounds guys. That's the worst contempt real serious stuff. Pat is good. Tell us about heroes fighting back against school shootings. There's a couple years that are emerged this week. It's really cool stuff. We'll talk about it. Mark is going to tell us about alcohol use on the rise worldwide. As cracking a beer was that. What was I? Well, what was that was that was you contributing to the stats lot of contributors over here. Doing my part. Is lightning round of other headlines. All right. Let's talk about Bill bar in contempt. Hey you. Yeah. 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Really sealed the deal for a holding Bill barn in depth of congress was he claimed executive privilege as the basis to not turn over the full unredacted Miller report to the committee as requested. So basically just Bill bar being Bill bar main executive. I don't have to fuck off says it's a need snow basis and fuck off. Okay. Right. You're not an executive are you, Tom? Yeah. I mean, this guy has the face of a bulldog and a bullfrog combined into one. So I don't know why you would ever go to somebody looking like that ask him for documents. He's not gonna give them to you got a bully the top cop in the land, the more. You wanted the less? He wants to give it to. You know, the answer is no yet guys got like a permanent frown on his face. He's definitely not handing you anything by choice. He didn't get to where he was by handing over documents real meekly like. This appointment you want is you can't you can't have. This is license. Plate is just no docks. The vote passed in the committee, along party lines is in the Democrats voted. Yes, contempt the Republicans voted no contempt, and it's it's expected to the same thing when it goes to the house floor with these hold on the majority there as well committee chair Jerry Nadler said the information we are requesting is entirely in our legal right to receive any also added that we are now in the midst of a constitutional crisis. God that's a little dramatic. I mean, it's a crisis. The Republicans argued the exact opposite saying that the Democrats are asking Bill bar to break the law by revealing redacted grand jury information in the full unredacted Miller report. And they also say that the entire Mueller investigation was an attempted coup to begin with that's too since we just talked about how Venezuelans going Rover by tanks. That's a coup that that's a coup. The Miller report not Kucice Liu so soft and collaboration and compromise going on in Capitol Hill as usual, but what does this all mean? What's going to happen, right? I mean, there's gotta be something bad happens. Bill bar being held in contempt of congress. Right over imagine. No, definitely not right. Correct. Nothing happens. Even if they vote to hold barring contempt on the house floor, it will then go to a lawsuit which will then eventually someday years from now. Now make its way to the supreme court, and I can't really remember Gaza. Trump of any judges on that supreme court right now. Hang on. I think we have the supreme court's theme song. They're gonna come out spinning basketball the fingers. Water confetti all over the democrat house committee half court shots. Scoreboard, go up without them scoring baskets. How is it hundred one around the Washington generals win this one? I've been trying to bet on the Globetrotters for years. Yeah. The general is good for the sixty. That would be a racket. So this was by far the biggest story of the day. But it's nothing but the two major parties screaming at each other. So more of the same working up there. Lots of important work getting done like how we doing on healthcare. That's what's really drained. I've probably not doing that. At all. Joe abortion thing weren't they talking about that who cares about Bill bar not showing up to a meeting. Well, Mark, this is serious stock and federal Democrats are very concerned with it. Okay. Taking it to the internet and Democrats all over the country are triggered with a capital T. Let's take it to Robin Gemmell. She says another reason to ask congress. Why is there a law on the books that is essentially unenforceable? I don't think that's will question Mark. I don't think she spelled correctly. Yeah. No. She did not what is the point. If there are no consequences to officials in our government, ordinary Americans. Suit device subpoenas are held in contempt and sent to jail. Okay. She's transitioning to all caps. Now. Remember, no person is above the law. It looks like that is not the case here. Otherwise bar would be sent to jail the law cannot work for some and not others Americans are angry over injustice and inequity for good reason because it exists. Wow. Sounds like robbing Gemmell trying to be come the attorney general to change things. I mean, she's got a powerful voice there. But then Frank Barisha he chimes in Robin Gimmel. I have news for you. Obama's attorney general was held in contempt. Also. So by silence. That's a head pretzel. God that is a real head breath on that is true. The only two attorney generals out and content Eric Holder Obama's and now Bill bar Trump's very in vogue this second a comment with all those all caps. She she Google that. That's a head pretzel. Yup. Yeah. She actually replied to that guy saying, but it wasn't for thirty president. So nothing's gonna change your mind. And then we got one from xanada, Allah, Djik Eyestone. And he says little by little snowball is rolling down the hills. Imagine when it reaches the bottom. I am completely patient Thames take your time. But when it all this ends in court. There is no going back. Again. Here's the supreme court's theme song. All right. Okay. Here's a another story about a hero whose emerged after the horrible shooting at stem school highlands ranch on Tuesday eighteen year old Kendrick Castillo knew he had to do something when a micro penis terrorists classmate of his pulled a gun on his classroom steel sprung into action and charge. The coward an action that was surely difficult for him risking his life. Without a second thought. In addition to the sheer danger, he faced Custodio also had to contend with the challenges of running at high speeds being that he had such a gigantic penis and heart and a super swelled penis and super large heart both. Yeah. But nothing was going to stop him for protecting and saving the lives of his fellow students tragically. He was shot and killed in the exchange giving his life, so others could have there's Castillo is a hero, plain and simple. Yeah. According to a student lamb dunk hero. Right. According to a student was in the classroom with the shooter, and sir Kendrick Kendrick lunch at him and tried to subdue him as soon as the shooter said, don't you move and his brave actions gave all the other students enough time to hide under their desks. Three other students all with gigantic genitalia. Followed kendricks lead and rushed the micro Pena's skid Mark holding him down and giving the rest of the class time to evacuate the room one of those heroes all ready substantially above average, penis grew two times that day was Brendan Belay. Yeah. No. I mean, just when he thought Brennan's couldn't get bigger got bigger. Now, they know bolaise a member of the Marine Corps delayed entry program and is scheduled to attend recruit training this summer will join a group of men and women who have similarly sized penises and small type vaginas just a grouping of the best of the best privates in America. Let's let's easy easy slopes. Slow. It's a tough job designing pants for them. Because the men have to have over oversized crotch as the women have to have tight crotch areas, and they're standard issue. I mean, how do you? They don't have like special pants every soldier gets the same stretchy pants now. It can be let's ask Kate shops about that youngsters did exactly what they were supposed to do. According to experts where people were once advised to flee and or find shelter. The new mantra survive for providing surviving an active shooter situation is run hide and fight. Which to me is the correct mantra yet Ron hotter fight or definitely they need to bring back. The buckets of rocks that school North Carolina was probably. Probably. But yeah. Either way. Yeah. Like they were just like skipping stones. Everyone was going to throw stones at a shooter. You just have a rocket your desk as soon as the guy shows up the gun. Just fucking nail. How does he how does he aim when? Twenty-eight rocks him. Yeah. It's a very effective policy in some Middle Eastern countries too. So let's take the lead on that strategy began to emerge in two thousand and two after examining law enforcement response to the Columbine high school tragedy, and look these shooters are not common criminals. They're broken pussies with their dad's guns and the perceived bullying that they often cite as the motivation for their Kerley. Axe works just the same when they have a gun in their hand. So charts these fuckers and beat the shit out of them. Cowards cowards. You charge them in there. Probably going to fuck up. They're not they're not cool under pressure. They're not cool at all. We know that big man with gun. Yeah. We'll look the actions of the brave students at stem as part of a growing trend of students that are fed up with the senseless terrorism that seems to play schools across this country just last week another surpr-. Family equipped hero. Riley Howell age Twenty-one charged unlovable micro Pena shooter at the university of North Carolina at Charlotte subduing, the terrorist in an effort to save the lives of his peers will giving his own in the process, how who was an ROTC cadet received military honors for his actions, and rightfully so absolute fucking hero. That one was tough to read his his longtime girlfriend's dad started talking about them. And she was like just doesn't surprise me from Riley Jesus Christ. I got a little and little sad. When I was reading it like absolute hero, the total. It's fucking horrible that this problem exists in the first place. But it's incredible to see people stepping up fuck and deal with these assholes. That's right. And it's totally in humans. Humans are pretty off and many good as bad if not more good and fuck these losers. So that's a great point. Because honestly, there's been a noticeable difference in the tone and vibe the last two school shootings. And I think the X factor is that these huge dicked heroes have found a way to fight back against school shootings. And we've all been a loss at a loss on how to combat school shootings after finding frustrating bureaucrat? Roadblocks even the mention of gun law reform, and no one has an answer. But these Rafic horrific instances have become so commonplace that the direct victims have decided that it's worth it to fight through the discomfort of running with their large genitalia and charge. These micro penis losers at any cost one sixth grader at stem school grabbed a baseball bat in an effort to fight fightback. No, that's that's a common mistake. It was his penis. They just mistook it for baseball. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Also, not to be too insensitive to run this joke in the ground. These are heroes. But I don't know how the even found caskets that could fit their penises in them. Like, how many pallbearers did they have to have these hero and extra at least one extra? Yeah. Yeah. And you're gonna need a custom top cats is. Yeah. Is there like a special? Doesn't make the penis erect. 'cause you'd need a twenty foot tall cast by eight feet be here. Joe, look, we should all be so lucky to have known these wonderful in selfless souls that showed up to a place of education, just like everyone else. But didn't think twice about paying the ultimate price of others wouldn't have to this shouldn't have to be the case? But sadly, it is and I hope that the impact made by heroes Castillo and how will serve as a to turn to future confused losers. It's at least a start. Yeah. If you really are out there considering shooting another human being as the aggressor, and it's not your job to do it either need to stop and go to cancel it counseling or just eat the bear. But guess what you're gonna get charged? And then you're gonna get your ass. Fucking beat. There's going to be students charging you left and right because people are fucking fed up with this bullshit. So just stay at home with your weird asked dyed purple hair, look purple here with the fucking gunman. That's in court today. It was looked like he looked fucking like just a MO trope like he got a Trent Resonator fucking shrine in his room and reser is great. But like fuck say look at the video the guy the fucking. The school is a little piece of shit rage inducing subject. I get it. I'm sorry. Yeah. I like it was either cheese. I like cheese. But thanks. Because I got a hand job or at. Victims. Outside of the heroes. Right. Let's take it to a fun. One to end your week of Maine stores where new fun one here thirsty Thursday tale, if you will a Roman Juliet story, a real romance Romeo was any human in the world and Juliet was pure grain alcohol. Well, that's right, alcohol consumption amongst all human beings on earth has been on the rise. The last two last two decades almost alarmingly. According to a study published this Tuesday that I can only assume as written by people that never really had a lot of true, friends or friends at all or refund. Yeah. We've been we've been doing our part. Yeah. We wouldn't right. The study. We are the study between nineteen ninety and two thousand seventeen per capita adult alcohol consumption has increased by nearly point seven leaders. That's almost one liter per person annually. People are expected to continue to increase their drinking average across the globe. The average person's gonna get to seven point six liters of alcohol per person by twenty thirty. According to this nerve nerd report. So for those at home that would be like fifteen. Leaders which is the middle sized bottle of liquor of one hundred poof, liquor seven point six times two hundred proof. If anyone's not foam at home, you're probably a nerd, and that's per year. That's a typical. For me scary to me. That's a fifteen weekend plan for me. I'm like a leader a week. Sure. Exaggerate maybe like a season spring. That's a spring. But if I come off, like an energetic, Friday or bad, Fred L, putting a leader down my face. Alcohol has sorry. I have to do the nerve voice alcohol. Use has been increasing and years. So seemingly tenure to increase this knowledge about cancer quences. Your Remm study author at hugely disappointed. That was really good. I like alcohol on a hate deeds. Don't like health. Your continent is slightly down and binge drinking. According to this report, and that's the pricing, but there's also a country that is way down in alcohol consumption. That's very surprising. Any guesses? China. Russia Russia that would be a good one China China's up its New Zealand, obviously, not in Europe. But it's just this pricing. As Europe has broke off Europe is kind of what it's like. So you lump them into your broke off a trillion, right? Australia europe. Combine australia. New Zealand oceanic, whatever the fuck with another continent. Their most like Europe look at the flags for sure. Is way down how the hell? So so far down and binge drinking. I guess they just had nowhere else to go. No town. Yeah. They were when you're at the top you can only go down there starting at Russell Crowe level. This minor setback for a major comeback for they're gonna they'll be back on the mattress a few too many thousand babies in that deck over this just got bored. Just destroying the record every year. We're all right. We're all right because New Zealand still has a third of their adult population considered binge drinkers, which is a binge drinkers at least once a month, which is a ten percent higher than the rest of the world average who are sitting at around twenty three percent that's up for team percent of nineteen ninety five percent in the past twenty seven thirty years Asia. However, besides your. Outside of Europe in Zealand the opposite Asia's way up in binge drinking Indian fact is up thirty eight percent personal loan increase. Lots that bag who. This is not good for the women of India, potentially or the or the junk bay. Yeah. You don't you don't wanna unleash the bag hooch in the middle of in the middle of a crowded Indian village. A bag of fennel laced cocaine entire party people die after drinking back like whole part. What baffles mind is so many people have died after drinking bag hoops? But people kept drinking bag are you going to stop after like after a few pops bag who gonna be able to control yourself? I would just not by the next bag of back in one sitting. Okay. Like, you're if if somebody comes up to you with a ziplock bag full of something like this bag hooch in it will fuck you up. Like, are you not going to buy it? Do they have a straw that? Puncture the the bag and drink Capri sun. Yes. Like back slat. You're definitely you're either going to end up in the hospital or dead. You're definitely in anyways. They're up thirty eight percent. The study even goes so far as to suggest that Asia as a continent will surpass Europe has the most prolific drinking continent by twenty thirty per person. Wow. That's interesting to me at least. And then you guys want to know about the US how we how we looking not much as changed in the US in the past thirty years. Apparently, we have slightly increased binge drinkers are up two percentage points from twenty five to twenty seven percent in the past thirty years and people that abstain from drinking lifelong is down from twelve percent to eleven percent one percent and people that have drank or drink socially aren't binge drinkers as I like seventy percent why I say to my fellow Americans step at the fuck up. Well, we're letting pass us we're already behind Europe. So we're kinda. Yeah. They can't beat us in both science and math and drinking at work contents. Are we losing to Antarctica? Like, what are we like the definition of binge drinking? Is. So pathetic though. I mean, it's like how many drinks there you go. It is time to end the story. So we will get to that sad tale of binge drinking. No, you're right on your right on time. Binge drinking, according to the book readers that conducted the survey constitutes the consumption of at least, four drinks or more in one sitting. So that's once a month. Someone drinking four drinks once a month and one thing that's breakfast, lunch and dinner. So to me, I'm surprised that number's not closer to one hundred percent globally because that's all I know between four and five every day for me. Yeah. Fucking nerd report. Man, have you ever gotten laid? Anyways. It's pathetic report. Like, the census don't even read it. And it is at this time that I would like to publicly challenge any and all podcasts to to verse two case race Samuel ju- best representatives, and we will send ours and whoever finishes the case of beer, I get a fulltime barstool contract for their squad their entire squad, especially if they don't have one. Su. So let's let's do the field games next week. Let's do let's do some drinking. What's case any pod? That wants to bring anyone waiting. Anyone wants to drink and you're gonna be representing heart factor at the field day, and we're not going to do well because it's feats athleticism. But if you if you turn it into drinking, everyone is fucked if they face us don't want it. Yeah. All right. All right moving onto lightning rounds. Lightning bolt goal. We have a Trump date for you. So we'll start with the good. The Trump administration has finalized new regulations that required drug companies to list the cost of their medications on TV ads. If a month's supply, the drug is over thirty five dollars. So that's gonna be pretty embarrassing for some drug companies. Yeah. Oh, yes. Shocking. Couple couple of grants. Tanks. Screw scare. He can't put his jail right now. To jail for might discourage some people from getting some help who knows that and a fixed income right health insurance. Trump is also willing to allow patients to import drugs from other countries if they are shown to be safe and less expensive options for consumers. That's awesome. It's pretty cool. And of course, like we said drunk drug companies are complaining that the new plan could scare some consumers from getting treatment to high upset. Yeah. That's not. What scares them drug companies? Right. It's can't afford it. And they need it. Yeah. It's so sick. It's like, hey, I made an ad directed at you. It's. The need and not being able. The problem. So you should be seeing those changes on drug commercials as early as this summer. Trump also announced via tweet that GM is going to be selling where their plants in Lordstown Ohio to a company called workhorse, like manufacturers, electric trucks. And apparently, they will be manufacturing those trucks to supply the US PS with brand new fleet of electric vehicles allow mailman gonna be sneaking up on us now. Yeah, I guess. That's that's how I know that the mail is there here. The take off the end terribly. There's going to be so many broken down mail trucks. Do you do you think that the mail the postal service workers America who I love our ability to figure out remember to plug nowhere. They'll charge. Absolutely. We'll see. I just love Trump making these Alterra progressive moves. This is some top shelf. Trolling right now. Everybody on his jock twenty four seven over the last year of the postal services existence. They'll be crews in electric style. And you're really not on the postal spun. There were no there an older cat old. Cats. Frontier, right? Like. Elitist. Only FedEx overnight for goodness. Tweet caused workhorse stocks to rise from eighty two cents a share to sixty five share. So tripled. Yeah. Maybe a little two hundred percent went up. So maybe a little well triple and now onto the bad. It seems that Trump lost over one billion dollars one point one seven exactly from nineteen eighty five to nineteen Ninety-four. According to a new report, not sure who who actually doing the report. But those who released the the figure we're relying on only IRS transcripts not his actual IRS tax returns. And according to Trump's Lert Charles harder. He claims those transcripts are very unreliable. So not sure if they're one point one seven billion dollars unreliable, but he's certainly lost a lot of money, and he he was hemorrhaging money at the same time. He released his art of the deal book. But who I mean who really cares? We until we get to make the money got out in front of it got out in front of it today on Twitter. He tweeted that it was a sport in the eighties nineties to report as much losses as you could really technically. He was the best. Okay. That's like I'm the list. Debatable. And some good news for the environment and new type of plastic being developed by a Berkeley lab called poly dyke. A tenant Amine or PDK. We'll just go PD. And I was confident I went for it. But I don't think I know it, so we'll go catch more time. Dyke cat neon that was different. So this is great because it's one hundred percent recyclable through a simple process of an acid bath. That sounds. Yeah. So they will able to break down the polymers. They can then make the plastic available to us over and over and over again. So they call the holy grail of cycling. You can imagine. How great it would be the environment. So hopefully, we won't see, you know, in Wales with his drop it directly volcano, and it's good to go and try to buy acid since I was twelve years old, and I can't find it. So where's his acid bath? They're gonna process I've been shot by acid forever. Everything dissolves Manassas where do you get the Astle light last all not a it is the same. And finally, this is just a nightmare for myself at appears wasps pay wait a minute. Wait a minute. One hundred percent recyclable. Yes. One hundred percent dip, somebody better make a house. Call the AFC and bring a up can make sure she didn't drown in her own home. Hundred percent cycle is one of those. It's like communist. Yeah. It's too good to be true. And should be played as true. No. And finally something that is nightmare for myself. It appears that wasps paper wasps to be exact are smarter than you thought. I mean, I always knew they were smart, by the way, they seem to attack my face and ruin my good time at barbecue is like a very drunk girlfriend. But now researches confirming my fears, and it turns out, it's fact, they are smarter than we all thought. In fact, they're so smart, they can do something that was thought to be a strictly human skill for thousands of years called transit of inference. So they can figure out the old if is greater than why and Why's greater than Z Xs greater than Z and how the fuck did. We figure out they can idea bunch of tests by a bunch of nerds other creatures have of course, now been proven to be able to do this. But this is the first invertebrate that has shown to have the skill a bunch of fat guys three fat guys. I mean knew the speed of one of them was faster, and they let them go and let the wasps go if X Y Z, they're also the only sick that can right in Limerick, right? The fuck you talking about don't know they're just smarter than we thought, which sucks. Good books. Terrifying. Sonam even more scared of them. Luckily, their stings are less painful than other wasps. So they're not gonna do for heart factor. We really do. Appreciate the support that you guys have shown us in the past weeks. Please keep those I tunes reviews and comments coming follows on Instagram and Twitter and has always have yourselves a great fucking day and a safe weekend. Play that game.

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Another Disgraceful Attack on Trump with a Media Assist # 951

The Dan Bongino Show

58:50 min | 1 year ago

Another Disgraceful Attack on Trump with a Media Assist # 951

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan, Bongino, five other Dan Bongino, shepherdess, Joe, how are you today? Rip roaring ready to go. Daddy o. Get more dramatic every day. Figure watch her show on on YouTube afterwards and my gosh. Joe's excited to be here today. I gotta stack show for you today. The Muller team embarrassing and defaced themselves in front of the public. Again, this disgraceful growth Ness copperation. Again. I can't say in strong enough terms with the Muller probe anyone out there. Who believes Muller was a good guy a white hat, or whatever you have been grossly misinformed and this team of anti Trump witchhunting hacks is a disgrace and the stunt they pulled last night with this New York Times exactly big big thumbs down with the New York Times. And the Washington Post is abhorrent. I'm gonna tell you exactly what's going on what this leak from the Muller team, the leak is essentially this the Muller witch hunters are now saying well, the Bill bar attorney general summary of our report really does. Doesn't show. How awful Trump was. Okay. That was due to unnamed officials making unspecified claims I'm gonna get into what's really going on and the grotesque conduct of this disgraced absurd. Outrageous pro. All right. Let's get right into today's show brought to you by buddies that filter by according to the CDC about seven million people are getting hit with the cold and flu this year. A lot of people think getting sick has to do with the cold weather. That's not the case, folks. There's a lot of it has to do with being indoors a lot. You spend more time inside exposed to higher concentrations of airborne pollutants. You know, sometimes the Air's not fresh inside your house because you have poor air filters. 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Unnamed officials in other words, anonymous cowards would making unspecified claims, here's a headline at the hill. Some Muller team members say the final report is more damaging to Trump than the bar summary suggests new corden to the New York Times, I refuse to put the New York Times headline up because I can't stand the New York Times. It's not a serious news outlet anymore. It is the equivalent of a tabloid magazine. Folks. Here's what's going on right now. The Muller team could not fabricate evidence these were awful horrible actors Muller. Couldn't stand Trump. He picked Andrew Weisman as lead bulldog who hated Donald Trump. He picked to attorneys for the team a genie re and Aaron zebbie one who had served us outside counsel to the Clinton foundation genie re and another one in Aaron Zebedee who was stonning Lee had represented. Justin Cooper, who's alleged to be the guy who destroyed the blackberries. And the Clinton Email case. I mean, could you have all the lawyers and all the world could Muller have picked people any worse. The answer is. No. And he did it on purpose because Muller didn't care about the optics or how it looked. He just cared about going after Trump. Now, the problem Muller's probe from the beginning. Is you cannot fabricate evidence that doesn't exist. You can't folks we don't do conspiracy theories or nonsense here. I think that's obvious for a regular listeners. Muller could not attribute comments to people that they didn't make he can't fabricate. This this pen was used in the signing of a collusion deal between Trump and the Russians and fingerprints are on it. Eventually you'd have to process dependent action get a fingerprint. Okay, it didn't happen Muller's Muller's connivance. And he's not a good guy. I don't like the way you handle this thing at all. But he's not gonna fabricate evidence. He's not stupid. Okay. They didn't have any evidence of collusion. So as we set on on the shows last week in a Monday show, where we put together the time line Muller likely new in July of twenty seventeen that July of twenty seventeen just months after he was hired that this collusion was fake. So they set up an ongoing obstruction probe after that. That's why they ask for the revived scope memo and new responsibilities because they couldn't investigate collusion that didn't exist. This is pathetic. Here's what's happening now Bill bar. The new attorney general who is. Has been doing a really good job before he was selected as a turn general and confirmed by the Senate before follow me here, he writes a memo and in this bar memo. He lays out the case that there is no way Donald Trump based on what he only knew publicly because bar wasn't privy to any inside info member. He was just a civilian when he wrote this. Okay, right bar wrote a memo, he was not under consideration for attorney general at the time, contrary to what moron left this wanna tell you. And in that memo, he lays out the case that there is no possible way. Donald Trump could have obstructed Justice based on what happened with the firing of Jim Komi and the Russia probe. The memo was laid out beautifully sites. Legal precedent. It is a brilliant memo. Follow me here. This is important. Bar is then selected to become the attorney general confirmed by the Senate, he is the attorney general now the Muller probe this is where it gets devious. And Joe I need you to put your antenna on and pay close attention because it doesn't make sense to you. We'll make sense to the audience. We'll do keep in mind, the lead here Muller knows and July of twenty seventeen collusion's a hoax instead of wrapping up is investigation into collusion. He keeps an obstruction probe ongoing to damage Trump as we laid out on Monday. I believe he only stops this case when Whitaker takes over the DOJ Matthew Whitaker's, the acting and Bill bars he AG because he knows now the DOJ is going to hold them to account cool. So for yeah. Okay. Great. Muller has read the memo the bar memo before bars under consideration for AG? He clearly knows that bar knows something that same people know, but the Muller doesn't want out there. What is Muller? No. That the rest of saying America knows that Muller disagrees with Muller knows pursuant to the bar memo that there's a strong likelihood that bar believes his obstruction case into Trump Muller's that is is who we miss garbage. And he knows something else folks, he knows that bar is already on the record having written this down because this memo exists. You you you you there is strategic genius of Bob Muller? And I say genius than a malevolent way. I don't mean this as a compliment at. All right. So what does Muller do remember? He can't fabricate a fingerprint on a pen, the sign of collusion deal collusion's done. So he he's forced in this four hundred page report, which we're going to see soon or portions of it. He is forced in there to acknowledge that collusion doesn't exist. We already know that because bars already quoted the report and summarize it for it's crystal clear. There's no collusion. I don't listen to any. It's in the leftist media that this summary is crystal clear it uses quotes from the actual report. Collusion's debt it's not dead because Muller exonerated Trump. Trump exonerated Trump. There's no. Evidence. That's takeaway number one. The obstruction case. However, you can I don't want to say fabricate evidence. But let's just say Joe, you can massage evidence because obstructions not are black or white crime Bank robbery is show. We agree of Joe robbed the Bank, either, rob dinner. He didn't chose either in the Bank, handling the teller note or he's not right. Obstruction of Justice is one of these crimes when I was with the MVP. We would joke around we had things like this like disorderly conduct. You know, we would jokingly call it piracy on the open seas a joke because it was one of those crimes where it was a judgment call. You know, did a guy engage in disorderly conduct or not Joe. I mean, I don't know it was up to the cops judgment. Right. You know what I'm saying? Oh, totally. You know? Yes. It was disorderly. You may have talked to another cop on this matter. No. Maybe it wasn't this order. In other words, ladies. Gentlemen. Obstruction is the piracy on the open seas of federal law enforcement. It's a judgment call the Donald Trump suggesting to Lester Holt in an NBC interview that after the firing of Komi he knew Russia was a made up story. That's that's the quote, by the way, that you know, this Russia thing was a made up story left. This believe that's obstruction. Same people are like what are you talking about? He fired Jim Komi in in the next sentence says, you know, what I knew this. Russia thing was a made up story. It is a made up story. Yeah. He didn't say he fired. He never ever in that NBC interview said he fired Jim Komi because he was investigating him on Russia. He never that's a leftist myth. Let has been entirely completely debunked. He said, you know, what this Russia thing? It was a made up story. It was a made up story. He's been vindicated. Donald trump. Where am I going with this important now this is take away number two number one Muller did not exonerate Trump collusion? Trump exonerated Trump. There's no evidence number two Muller understands. This is a judgment call. Now rather than making the judgment himself. What does he do? Joe? He leaves it. An open question does not exonerate Trump on obstruction and hands the football over to Bill bar. The attorney general who Muller already knows has a memo out there laying out the case about how Donald Trump could not possibly have obstructed Justice in the firing of Jim Komi. Think about what that does. Now instead of Muller what he's been obliged to do make make a call on the obstruction thing he passes it off to bar knowing the Democrats are going to do what show are gonna immediately accused bar of what a conflict of interest because bars already written a memo, folks, we're following. We're following. We're cool day. You get with Muller dead. Yeah. Instead of Muller doing the right thing and making now making the call on obstruction. He had to make the call on collusion because there was not right. But collusion either happened or didn't it's the Bank robbery of this case, there's a Bank robbery or that wasn't Muller. Cannot make the Bank robbery up on obstruction. He can. So you may be saying yourself at home. Okay. I get it. He passes the football to bar knowing bars already through his memo said that Trump did not commit obstruction, knowing the Democrats aren't going to say, look, look what happened. Look what happened Bill bar already wrote this memo. This is a conflict of interest. Did Trump obstructed Justice? I wanted Pizren you may be saying yourself. Okay. I get that. But why wouldn't Muller just make that call himself right show? I mean, why won't Muller why wouldn't Muller if he wanted to nail Trump on obstruction? Why create this cloud through bar? If Muller could just write the report himself and say Trump obstructed Justice. There's a reason for that too. And this is why these leaks are coming out. Now. Because ladies and gentlemen, if Muller charges Trump or anyone on the Trump team with obstruction of Justice at some point there's likely to be an impeachment proceeding after the president would be impeached. If if that happens or after the president where to leave office, President Trump, the president can be indicted out of office. Meaning what Joe follow me they would have to go to trial. Muller knows the obstruction case against Trump is a complete total loser loser. With an out. There is zero chance in a criminal trial a guy President Trump who literally told Jim Komi, according to comb his own memos to investigate his satellites or people on his team who may have done something wrong. And there is zero chance at the deputy director of the FBI testified under oath in front of congress. So there was no effort to obstruct this investigation. There is era chance when that evidence presented at trial that Muller's team would have won a case against an impeach president was indicted Muller would have been embarrassed which would have done, I know folks were getting into level ten here. But this is really important. The breaking news. I it's critical. What would have happened? Then Joe if the president was impeached because you thought he obstructed Justice game. And then is. Put on trial for obstructing Justice and in the trial. Bob Muller's team gets laughed out of court. Can you imagine the damage done to our democracy? If the Democrats and rhino Republicans were to have impeach the president on an obstruction charge that was summarily laughed out of court. Can you imagine how the American people would feel wait? Let me get this straighten. We elected the president you impeached on an obstruction charge that a federal court mocked openly. And thought was ridiculous. That is why Muller and his team of witch hunting, conniving fools. Did not dare dare make a call on the obstruction thing. They did the most cowardly thing possible. They said, well, you know, we don't have evidence to convict him of obstruction. But we don't exonerate him. Either. Right. Your whole job as a special counsel. Joe was to make a call on this. They passed it off to bar to do extensive political damage to the president because they were too cowardly to charge the president to charge the president after he left office to charge the president and a memo which could be used for impeachment with the crime of obstruction of Justice, knowing they had no case. So they pass it off the bar knowing barred already written this memo and knowing that the cowardly conspiracy theorists. Democrats these chumps like Adams shifty shifty and slimy swale well would run in front of the cameras and say oh bars got a conflict of interest here. Muller left it open on obstruction and bar already wrote that memo. So of course, there's a conflict of interest the president committed obstruction. Not only that he's colluding with bar Elias, Rhodia, some home counties. Thank you, Vince. Now, the leaks make sense Joe. Yes. Yes. Weeks last night. This is the breaking news last night. Yeah. About how people on the Muller team. Unnamed officials cowards chumps I'll name them Jones Coundon jump Lieutenant chump, and corporal chump and sergeant chump in there to unnamed chumps made unspecified claims now if you read the times piece. That. We put the headline up again from the hill that it's very specific about what they say. They say it could be I mean, excuse me. It's very it's not it's unspecific that they say the final report is more damaging to Trump than a bar summary suggests if you read the times piece, they're intimating here. Joe not about collusion. They're intimating that the obstruction thing is damaging ten four. Yeah. Yes. They're not. They're not saying that the collusion. The collusion thing is dead. I can't say this. You must understand this. You can't fabricate a fingerprint on the pen that doesn't exist. There was nothing there. The Muller investigation continued for six hundred days after July of twenty seventeen. Despite the mowing. There was no collusion. They needed to nail on something and they zeroed in on obstruction. That's why they went back to Rosenstein for this revised scope memo. They found nothing on obstruction either. That would stand in court. So they pass the football to bar like cowards, they refuse to make a decision because they lose and trial day, then wait for bar to summarize their memo bar makes a call saying, hey, there's no evidence of obstruction ear, I'm sorry. And then these coward chumps unnamed officials making unspecified claims start to leak to their media people. Joe, you know on the obstruction thing. This makes Trump look really bad. Which does what gets the press people to make the connection? Trump appointed bar borrowed a memo before he was appointed about how -struction couldn't possibly be true. Therefore, Trump had to be colluding with bar. That's why they're leaking this folks if I can just I hate to keep plugging this, but it's super important. So my second book is available in Amazon and Barnes and noble for preorder. I don't mean beat you to death of it working super hard on this. And it matters to me this project. It's called exonerated the failed takedown of Donald Trump by the swamp. I'm telling you, I have some explosive connections on this in a book. And I can't I can't I don't want to give them all up yet. It's like the review for reason, I'm still working on it. But I made a connection today in this morning. That is in this book that's going to blow your mind, and it's going to show. You exactly how awful the smaller probe was. This is the leaks understand so please. If you don't mind picking up, we're trying to get an idea the preorder on how many we should print because it's really been incredible. We were number twelve last week. So if you wouldn't mind picking up, I'm deeply appreciated on preorder, just again, I don't mean to beat you over the head with an I'm very sorry about that. But I'm working really hard on it. And we'd love to get an idea. So we can print just enough copies. But this is critical the leak last night unspecified people saying that, oh, you know, Muller's report is really damaging Trump the obstruction thing they're only doing that to wink in an odd to the media. And there there's conspiracy theorist democrat friends. This is the Muller people, by the way this disgraceful team. Assemble to get them to make the connection that hey, we handed the ball to bar in borrowers already corrupted. They weren't supposed to hand the football the bar. They were supposed to make a call on obstruction. And they didn't do it because they had no case, but they certainly could start a conspiracy theory by leaving it open ended handing it to bar leading bar make the call. And then leaking to the media afterwards with unspecified claims how there's damaging information about obstruction and a report. Now watch what's going to happen next? We have called this thing from day one. Yes. This is a Pat on the back. We have caught this from day one about obstruction as our friend audience archive is Judy as as noted we call this year ago about this obstruction thing. Yeah. How this was going to happen because I had people cue me in this. Watch what's going to happen next? They will release likely in a week or two the Muller report. That's alleged to have damaging information about obstruction. There will be significant reductions in that report. Because in that report there will be grand jury information that they are legally prohibited from putting out there. Watch. What's going to happen next? Mark today. It is now ten thirty or so eastern time. What is it April fourth years? They Mark the date. What's going to happen? Next is even the report issued the Muller report is going to just double down on the exoneration of Trump on collusion. And it's going to have stuff we knew about publicly, the Lester Holt interview and things like that. So the Democrats aren't going to have anything new in the report. But what they will have Joe is a bunch of blacked out reductions, and they're going to say what that's where all the obstruction stuff is folks. But you just can't see it. Watch and what's going to happen? The Muller witch honors these discredited hacks who worked for Muller. These democrat activists who went after Trump on obstruction despite knowing collusion was a fairytale. Will start leaking to the media again, Joe while you know, you didn't see the whole thing, and there's really super extra band Adeyemi. Yada. Yada, yada. Is right, right. Was that Paula? You were a big was that you are big Seinfeld fan. Right. That was an episode, right? The Yatta Yatta tag. It wasn't my wise. Lobbed Seinfeld that show. It's great that. It's classic episodes. You know, I've got him. Did that was one of my favorite George does everything backwards at work? He curses out George Steinbrenner gets a promotion for job. What this is what's going to the Yati? Joe you it's going to be the yada yada, yada, talk point. In other words, the yada yada yada is nothing it's meaningless. In other words, the reductions are meaningless because we haven't seen them. But the Democrats are going to say what you haven't seen is the real evidence of obstruction, which is going to be fed to the media and dutifully responded to by by Muller team, unnamed officials who will say, yes, that's the really bad stuff. This is total garbage garbage extensive garbage time as Marv Albert the old New York Knicks announcer used to say when they were down by thirty in the fourth quarter. We're in an extensive Gerbasi time, folks. I remember that. That they had the center the backup guy. I forget his name, Greg something. That's when he'd come in the game was over Ewing came out of the game. It was done. Market. Mark the show. This is the next step in this disgraceful Muller episode. I'm telling you this second book, I'm writing if viscera the Muller probe like you've never seen. You will never look at this thing the same way again. All right. Today's show. Also brought to you by buddies at open fit. Hey love this program. You want convenience you want to get in shape? You want to be able to do it on your own time your own schedule from your own out. You're doing yourself a huge disservice. If you don't check out open fit. Let me just tell you a couple of the great works. You wanna work out six hundred seconds, try their workout six hundred seconds, you training for a tough mudder or any one of those races out there. They have a tough mudder prep. Course there you will get in shape. Paula was just telling me how much he loves these were you, not miss Paula Bongino. 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Now, I have some information for you. Here's the story legal insurrection today. A Chinese national was arrested and charged after carrying malicious software into Trump's mar-a-lago mar-a-lago is a beautiful place down here. It's a club that Trump owns it's down. It's about ten fifteen miles maybe twenty miles south of where I live in Martin county, Florida. So the story is this a Chinese national with a computer and some militia software and a thumb drive. Entered into the facility. She was not supposed to be there. She was caught. And she's now being prosecuted by the secret service. There's a lot of misinformation about this, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not paid by the secret service to put out any talking points or anything like that. I'm simply here to deliver to you the facts, here's what really happened. Yes. This was a serious incident being treated by everyone very seriously, I assure you, but. There's some confusion here again. Nobody's happy about what happened. This isn't some kind of you know, everybody's out there. Celebrating popping corks honest off the champagne, but the blame that was instantly thrown at the secret service. I could tell you from experience was ridiculous because I don't think people truly understand how the system works folks just quickly on this. Because I want to move on. I've got a ton of stuff to get through today. But the secret service does not admit people or or keep people out of a site. If they are not a security threat. I cannot emphasize enough Joe, I know you've heard this a thousand times whatever this. We started the show in two thousand fifteen but for some of our newer listeners. I don't think people understand that the secret service is responsible for security. We are not ticket checkers. If the staff or a host committee or someone at Mora Lago who's been authorized by. The staff to allow someone into a site says this person can come in. We make sure they're not a do not admit in other words, they're not a terror threat. They don't have a criminal background, and we make sure they're not carrying weapons debt bats in. Do you understand what we don't do? We don't work there anymore, but having deep body of experience with the service in my twelve years there and having conducted lead advances all over the planet on this. We don't make those calls. It is it is if. Let me give you a quick example is when I was working with Barack Obama Steve. And I mean, this if Barack Obama wants to admit a guy into a site or woman, and that person is is is showing all the signs of being like, not a good person. They're sweating may look nervous. But the staff says to you I want that person in here. I want them to take a picture with the president. They go through a magnetometer they'll go through a checkpoint. We will do the hand held. Well, make sure they don't pop up on any do not admit list. And ladies and gentlemen, dare coming in. This may surprise you. But we don't make those calls. Now, if the person pops up on a felony do not admit list as being an al-qaeda terrorist. We're going to get with the staff, right? Quick and say, hey, buddy. This is a real problem. But ladies, gentlemen, even then on foreign trips. There are people who go into meetings with the president the staff will make the call on where they're questionable. Yeah. And the secret service will say, I don't think this is a good idea. This staff makes the call I say that because the woman mar-a-lago who got in there with the computer in the Mauer. It was not the secret services. Call this staff of the host committee said Blatter end they mistakenly thought she was a daughter of a member, I'm not absolving anybody responsible carrying water for the secrets are had no interest in doing that. I'm just telling you how this works it. If the staff says let them in they get in. I mean, this is one of the few areas of expertise. I'm uniquely qualified in podcasting a conservative talk to giving you input on. There have been many times staff and a host committee, the Obama and Bush administer. Has said let him in right? Like you. Sure. Let are in. All right in the magnetometer turnaround got anything on you, get an ID. I'm just giving you the facts, folks. So you're informed. And the reason I bring this up. I wanna be clear is because the left is again using this amunition to attack Trump do the secrets are low Trump, so disorganized more Lago breakdown in security. Trump shouldn't go to you said two stories are up them yourself. Now, you know, the facts it was a screw up the staff should not have let this woman in. It's clear. She was up to something in there. No good. She was caught. Luckily, she shouldn't have been in the first place. I may be clear. But you need to understand how security works we secure the we're not ticket takers. If you got a ticket, which is a pass from those committee come in. You're in. Simple as that. Don't fall for the media hype. Drew Carey us and more or Lago stupid. Okay. You know, it's a great story. Hat tip to the listeners sent it in you know, who you are a Mabon Mitchell. He sends a lot of stories story from Forbes, ladies and gentlemen, as twenty twenty heats up. You're going to see a renewed push for this absurd. Outrageous, you know, Medicare for all proposal, which is not Medicare for all its Medicare for none. It's government controlled health care for all I want to be crystal clear on that. Here's the story of Forbes by Sally pipes Britain's version of Medicare for all is struggling with long waits for care. Well, it struggling with a lot more. This is a devastating piece. Available in the show notes today. Go to bungee dot com. Please subscribe to my Email list. Email these stories right to you. But read this. It is really good. It's a short piece, but it nails. Why government run healthcare absolutely stinks to the heavens? First this Medicare for all push. Bernie Sanders, comma Harrison, others is a disaster. It is not Medicare for all it is government run health Cam. You may say Joe, why are they calling it Medicare for all then because ladies and gentlemen, the term Medicare in focus groups, generally polls. Well. So instead of calling it what it is a government takeover of health care. They call it Medicare for all thinking seniors that vote will say, well, I like my Medicare. So maybe we'll vote for this plan. Ladies and gentlemen. This is not Medicare for all your Medicare. If your senior we'll be bankrupted by a massive expansion of government benefits to people who can pay for them themselves. Now, let's go to the peace. There were three monster takeaways from this piece, and the lead is clear Medicare for all. In other words, government run healthcare is already being tried in Britain. And it is collapsing on multiple fronts point number one. From the peace waiting lists. Ladies and gentlemen. Look at this snippet, you want government control healthcare, you sure. Nearly a quarter of a million British patients have been waiting. This is unbelievable Joe more than six months to receive plan medical treatment from the national health service. According to a recent report from the Royal College of surgeons the ri- have colleges Sachin. Goes on. This is bad. I should different college. It sounds so official more than thirty six thousand Joe have been intriguing cues lines for nine months or more. People will die folks. Yes. Time. Yes. Birdie people we'll bond waiting lists. You're darn rise two hundred and fifty thousand people have waited six months or more for healthcare because the government's telling them, oh that is an astonishing number. Now, if you're interested in basic healthcare economics Faxon, data in other words, you and I'm not talking about liberals. I'm talking about people who are interested in facts and stuff liberals are interested in emotion. Why this rationing by waiting? Lists is happening is obvious. Joe? Let me explain simple. It's not even econ one a one it's econ zero zero zero zero one in other words common sense. There are two ways to allocate scarce resources a doctor's time medicine. Whatever it may be a hospital bed is a scarce resource. It is not unlimited. Correct doctor has an eight to ten hour workday. His time is limited a hospital has a certain number of beds. Their beds are limited all resources in medicine. All are scarce. There are two and only two ways to allocate hospital beds, doctors time injections, vaccinations, whatever they may be because they are all scarce one is to use the free market to price those items which allows people to work to pay for them. When those things get in short supply prices, go up when prices go up what happens competitors come in. Joe again, this is econ- zero zero zero zero zero one for people who have common sense when prices go up in a free market competitors. Come in Joe and say, wow, those are high prices we can make some money, and they compete with other companies to produce more hospitals and beds, which does what show increases the supply and drives the price down. This is only happened throughout human history with every single item subjected to free market pressure Lasix surgery, plastic surgery, flat screen TV's computers, iphones. Lasers for your shoulder. This thing really helps my show this a laser. I put on my shoulder vitamin B, twelve spray. Go can openers from this is from one of our spa. Answers battle box nail clippers case, you gotta hang now. What else what other items? Do we have? I phones paper made pens Sennheiser as your call some cans normal people. Call them earphones objected that kid Joe's dorm on just joking. My buddy lump Joe, let's see what else. Do we have here? We have a flat screen TV in about two TV folks in the background shirts. Cobra forty seven all of the prices on these items have come down. I can't believe we have to do this. But liberals watched the show can't figure out basic economics all of the prices on these items. Joseph have come down over time if because competitors in shirts, remotes, pens, nail clippers and everything else. Have come in and not allowed one producer to charge monopoly prices. That when the government. How 'bout that? When the government creates a monopoly, there is only one producer and producer of that product is government. Yeah. So the first way is pricing. When the government is the only producer of funds to pay for an item, you have ranting because the price system doesn't work because you can't bid up the price bidding up the price of healthcare is a good thing. Why why liberals all did he just say that because competitors come in and bid the price down? Why do you think plastic surgery is a cost you can go in and have plastic surgery, a Columbia and other places for like a thousand dollars because competitors came in and a free markets that I could do cheaper. It's just hard liberals as this hard for you when the government gets involved, and there is no price control control of prices by competitors. What happens? They have to be rationed the hospital beds. There are no competitors. There are no new hospital beds. So the hospital beds. They have to be rationed. You have a thousand patients who have to fit in one hundred hospital beds. What do you do Joe you rational one out of ten people gets a hospital bed? And usually it's the most connected that is why nine out of ten people Pollock if you don't mind putting up that that screen to get that is why nine out of ten people are waiting on a waiting list. That's why two hundred fifty thousand people are waiting six months or more. Okay. Take away number two from this. Excellent. Forbes piece. I thought you know, you government control medicine. Oh, it's so much better. Gosh, people they love this government control mate. So great. The results are so much better. Really? Because here's a corporate apiece. Unsurprisingly Joe British cancer patients fare worse than those in the United States. Now, only eighty one percent of breast cancer patients in the United Kingdom live at least five years after diagnosis hours that I thought it was wonderful compared to the United States where the survival rate over five years for breast cancer is eighty nine percent eight percentage points higher. How is that? Oh, it goes on just eighty three percent of patients in the UK live five years after a prostate cancer diagnosis versus ninety seven percent here a fourteen percentage point difference. Wow. The NHS Joe also routinely denies patients access to treatment. This is insane. More than half of their clinical commissioning groups, which plan healthcare services within their local regions are rationing cash. Cataract surgery cataracts. Like you'll go blind. They call it a procedure. Joe quote of limited clinical value. Yeah. You know, Joe that eyesight thing is totally overrated limited comeback about like seeing like seeing stuff. Hold on. Let me did Lee. Folks, you need your eyesight this you'll be out a very serious note. Yeah, I had a great aunt Natalie. She was she's since passed my cousin is named after she went blind later in life, and I'll tell you, and I mean, it was devastating and my family. She was I think in her sixties or seventies. Forgive me. 'cause it was young. I was young when it happened. Limited clinical changed everything. I mean, she required care from that point on and she I'm obviously not blind. But she had said to us because obviously she only recite was effected on her. She was fine. I mean, psychologically, there's no mental impairment or anything. But I remember her telling me she almost wish she had been born blind at that point. Because once you our whole life. She'd spent with perfect visual acuity and then lost it. It was devastating for devastating and everyone around her. Are you serious that you think cataract surgery that could blind people's of limited clinical value? Are you nuts? Are these people create this is what you want? Are you crazy? German serious stuff here. This is real cataract surgery. Limited clinical about. Yeah. Folks that I say things way overrated. This is what's coming down the pipeline for the Bernie Sanders Medicare for all people. What a disgrace. Finally, another takeaway from this piece, which is really wonderful again. I can't recommend it enough. And I hope he listened to it. This one involves massive vacancies by healthcare professionals who don't want to work in the United Kingdom. Quote, patients fate will face long, wait times and rationing of care because he NHS can attract medical professionals to meet demand at the end of twenty eighteen they had more than thirty nine thousand nursing spots unfilled. That's a vacancy rate of more than ten percent. Among medical staff, nearly nine thousand posts were unoccupied these shortages could explode in the years to come in twenty eighteen then Royal College of general practitioners found that more than seven hundred fifty practices could close within the next five years. What? Yeah. Why Joe because medical personnel who train their entire lives to earn an income are not in a free market system where their pay and their work schedules are through their satisfaction because they're run by the government. So instead of being able to work out a deal is a nurse with your employer the hospital at a pay package with the hospital. They have to work it out with the g the government, which thinks eyesight is of limited critical value in colleges surgeons thinks it's terrible that these nurses are paid their fair value. So the nurses throw up the double barrel middle finger and say, I'm not working here anymore. I'm not working sixteen hours a day for crappy pay. No, thanks government. Which teams eyesight of a limited clinical value. No. Thank you. So uncertain prising -ly they're leaving. Again, Joe econ zero zero zero one we're not paying people enough. So what are they doing? They're quitting. You know, Joe? Yeah. You and I worked together you work other places, but you work it, you know, when you went I worked out how this was going to work out you we came to an agreement. Right. You said I'll take this. I said well off that's how this works now with the G if Joe worked for the government or Whitney government on a project. The G says, hey, here's what we're gonna pay and Joe's gotta take it because the government has a monopoly on healthcare in the UK, nurses, go. No, thanks key for good by G for by. I always say, gee, a case, you all wonder where that's coming from your G, man, when I worked in the government, everything is shortened, everything is jargon. And the secret service everything in law enforcement for that. Everything's jargon. I there's like code words. They use for everything. I don't know why. It's just the way cops law enforcement v. We are charging everywhere. But so with the government car, you were issued they would call it. The like you taking home the G the G ride. The that was all everybody knew what everybody was talking about. And if you weren't. Outsiders listening to g to heck is he talking about it you getting in getting into cheat and go home. That's that's where that comes from a case, you won't want curious. Okay. Listen, I love this product. This is check this out. 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Joe Biden, and his now what looks like strong evidence of his collusion with the government of Ukraine to benefit his son evidence is in the hill report by John Salman, what am I getting at book number two paints? The dreadful Muller pro which I just viscerally it in the show as an effort to keep the attention on the Trump team, despite knowing collusion with Russia wasn't real because I believe they were hiding collusion with real entities. Joe Biden in the Obama administration would Ukraine and the Clinton team and their collusion with Russia. There is a John Solomon story from the hill. It is from twenty seventeen but this is worth your time. I- reupped in today's show. No, it's the title is Bill Clinton sought State Department's permission to meet with Russian nuclear official during Obama uranium decision. I'm gonna make this quick. But it's very very important. You understand understand? Excuse me, understand the leader. Collusion scandals are very real. They're just not the Trump one Biden Ukraine Clinton Russia Bill Clinton, while his wife is in the State Department back in two thousand and ten there were emails uncovered in this piece that you need to read I will put the couple of screen shots up these emails, but these emails are devastating citizens. United did a lot of work on that. Dave, Dave Bossie, screw the emails are requests from Bill Clinton's people Bill to State Department officials working for Hillary for Bill Clinton to go meet with two Russians, ladies and gentlemen. These two Russians are key figures in what I believe is a massive collusion scandal. That's getting ready to blow quickly hat tip, by the way, Big Hat tip to Peter Schweitzer's, book Clinton Clinton, collusion or Clinton corruption. Peter Sweitzer checkout his book, it's fantastic and John Solomon as well. I don't wanna take credit for their work Schweitzer's hat tip than this John Solomon pieces. Well, but here's the first official, and we have this screen shot. From the help. He's so Bill Clinton staff wants to meet with a guy named Arcadi devore cabbage a top aide to then Russian president Dmitry Medvedev. What wa what do you mean what meeting with Russians now Bill Clinton? So and one of he's one of the highest ranking government officials to serve on Rosatom. Remember that name their board of supervisors this was listed on may fourteen. Twenty ten Email as one of fifteen Russians Bill Clinton wanted to meet with during a late June twenty ten trip. Now keep that up for a second. Keep in mind. This is an Email in late. This is an Email in may Clinton's taken a trip in June of two thousand ten a month later the uranium one deal is approved win October in two thousand ten so after this Bill Clinton staff is in an Email asking to meet with a key Dmitry Medvedev confident who sits on the board of the company Rosatom that wants to buy uranium one nothing to see here. Folks. Don't you worry it goes on in the context of a possible trip to Russia at the end of? June WJC, William Jefferson Clinton. This is the Email is being asked to see the business government folks below with state have concerns about Clinton's seeing any of these folks Clinton foundation forest policy advisor Amitav d'essai wrote to the State Department. Folks, why am I even bring this up because again this book number two it just destroys this collusion, man. So let me be clear on this the whole collusion Russian collusion. Hoax is based on the fact that what that Russians were in the United States and met with Don Trump junior Russia at Trump Tower. That's their entire case there retire cases that this was a suspicious meeting the meeting now the emails row public. Nothing came of that meeting at all we now know that everybody acknowledges that not only that the people meeting with Don Trump junior are in trapping him. They're connected to Clinton people. It's a trap. So just to be clear the left's whole premise, Don Trump met with Russia's Bill Clinton's people are in the emails asking to meet with key Russian officials sitting on the board of a company trying to buy uranium before Hillary sits on a board to approve the same exact sale. Are we serious? Are you left a serious Arcadi divorce vich the guy sat an abortive Rosatom? They're trying to buy uranium one to get access to our uranium supply months later, Hillary State Department, sits on the board that could have mixed this thing and she says nothing. Tell me again. Now, folks, this is important because your liberal friends will say, well, let me tell you the whole show together. Now, the collusion collapsed obstructions gonna collapse soon to despite all that's going on here. And these these these hacks in the Muller probe it's gonna turn to the swallow line of attack show. Well, it may not have been criminal conspiracy with the Russias, but these meetings with the Russians were suspicious. Okay. I'm Eric was the requested meeting with our Katie divorce damage who sat on the board Rosatom, and is a confidante of the Russian president was that requested meeting with Bill Clinton is at suspicious. We'll wait. I'll wait on your answer. We'll give them a little crickets silence from it. Anything? All you got nothing. Okay. Eric, thank you. Thanks for your time. But there's another meet doesn't it send their folks there's another meeting a request for one. This one's even more devastating. They also sent an Email, quote, the second person on the list that caught the attention was Russian businessman, Victor expert, all you've heard that on the show before two days after Hillary Clinton's visit to Russia vessel. Berg was named by Medvedev to oversee a new technology investment project called skulk evolve all boy designed to be Russia's new silicone valley. According to media reports Hillary Clinton had directly discuss the Skoko project what Medvedev and state was whipping up support for it among US companies, creating the appearance of a conflict. She even attended a major event with the Russians to promote the project. We want everyone to help because that's what I think it's everyone's interest to do. She was quoted as saying about the Skoko project, ladies and gentlemen. Bill Clinton is an Email asking to meet with vex Oberg. This guy is running Skoko a Russian Silicon Valley project that is later determined by Intel officials to been an attempt to steal sensitive technology for military. Use Clinton is Hillary's promoting the project the company's going over there involved in Skokie vote donate to the Clinton foundation. Bill wants to meet with the head of Skoko while Skoko is stealing our military technology. And you're telling me, Eric. Well, well, I think the meetings with the Russians were suspicious what about the vaccine Berg meeting, Eric shifty? What about what about Adam shifty shift is that meeting suspicious? Or the requests for. What do I hear? They're joking play that again, I something I played. Yeah. That's right. Credit cards. Yes. Thank you Armacost. Key timing there. Crickets, of course, is going to be crickets so meetings with Russians at Trump Tower that produce no information and the Russians at show up even though they're connected to Hillary in an obvious entrapment Donald Trump, but we know everything about the meeting about that's evidence of collusion worthy of impeachment. But requests for meetings with a Russian sitting on a board of a company wants to buy uranium while Hillary Clinton's on a board that approves it that's not suspicious and meetings for requests for meetings with Russians involved with a military project disguises, a commercial project, Hillary supported and steals, our military secrets no worries at all you worry read the piece it is in the show notes today. It is devastating devastating. All right, folks. Thanks again for tuning in, please. If you don't mind again, pick up my book, it would mean the world to me exonerated, the failed takedown of Donald Trump by the swamp. We're going to have the cover out hopefully by Tuesday on Amazon that you're gonna like it. We're almost done with the book. It is. I very proud of it. I think it will blow your mind even more than book once by so please go pick that up today, Amazon or Barnes and noble, and if you wouldn't mind subscribe to our podcast on YouTube, YouTube dot com slash Bongino. 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CAFE Insider 05/06: Bill Barr: The Politics of "Snitty"

Stay Tuned with Preet

11:01 min | 1 year ago

CAFE Insider 05/06: Bill Barr: The Politics of "Snitty"

"Hey, folks, another week and no sign of the new slowing down. Bill VAR is coming under increasing scrutiny for his handling of Muller's investigation. There's been a flurry of letters to make sense of including the letter the president's personal attorney Emmett flood sent a bar. There's the question of Bob Muller testifying and and your time story about an undercover FBI investigated that has fueled allegations of campaign spying. I talk about all this and more on the cafe insider podcast where each week and milligram joins me to break down the news and take stock of what's happening. The podcast is part of the cafe insider membership today, we're making a clip from the most recent episode available in the stay tuned feed to listen to our full conversation and access all other cafe insider content, including a weekly newsletter and bonus content from stay tuned. Become a member have cafe dot com slash insider. That's cafe dot com slash insider. A couple of other exchanges that now maybe look a little different in light of the back and forth between Bob Muller and Bill bar, those letters that became public whereby mother clearly on multiple occasions wanted the Justice department to put out the special counsel's own summaries that didn't need to be redacted to the public as opposed to the four page letter the Bill bar sent on March twenty fourth and one of those is an exchange from back in April between Charlie Crist democratic Representative from Florida and Bill bar where Charlie Chris reports have emerged recently that members of the special counsel team are frustrated at some level. With the limited information included in your March twenty four letter, do you know what they are referencing with that not the greatest question in the world. But you know, I think ordinary people would understand it and Barr says, no, I don't know. I don't I think I think and then he says I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but in my view, I was not interested in. Putting out summaries which we've already discussed this bizarre because he put out a summary. And that's maybe why he doesn't want to call his own thing a summary. So he could say this thing with a straight face was that was that perjury. There's a couple of questions here, and obviously he's under oath. And so I thought about this actually Moore's one thousand and one where you lie to someone conducting an investigation which could be part of we've talked about this in the context of lying to FBI agents. Could you, you know, you're lying to a member of congress about a material fact is. It goes back to my view that he sort of he slides around or tries not to answer directly the questions, and I did read this as you know, when you're a lawyer. And again, this is why people hate lawyers. So let me acknowledge that I like, lawyers I do too. I love lawyers. But, but it's the sort of if you read the question, do you know, what they are referencing with that? They is the press. There's an expression of frustration with the limited information and then bars saying, no, I don't know. And he could be saying I don't know what the press is talking about. And again, I'm parsing here. Which is what I think he was doing. But to me at the end of the day, it's completely false. And it is a lie. Now. Would it be a prosecutable? Why in my mind, I would not charge. I would not charge this crime right as a crime for lotteries. But here's what I think each has. No, I don't he kind of closes it down. Like, he doesn't know anything about any issues. Right. So and then he says I suspect that they meaning Muller's team probably wanted more put out. But he didn't suspect anything he knew he knew it four occasions in which Mahler there's one before the report comes out remorse saying here, my summaries. We would like us are summaries. And then there's three times after the report comes out to in writing one by phone call. There's no way he doesn't know that they thought that there was an issue with the summer he did. And they wanted their summaries out. What what do you think would you prosecute this repurchase or false statement? No, I would not for various reasons because you can see a jury might look at it differently because you have to get to intent. But what I don't get is. I mean, I agree completely false. If someone in your family dissemble that way about something if your kids said that what would you do you would say come on? You're not going off. What's also weird to me? It's totally unnecessary. You know, you have to know at that point that the letters at some point may come out look on other occasions Bill bars perfectly capable of saying a flat. No in ways. It also make him. Look knock very good when he's asked. Will you recuse yourself? Will you follow the? Elections of the ethics officials. He says he says, no, very forthrightly, actually, frankly doesn't make him look good. Because because I'm decider and on other questions to is very forthright. You know to a fault when he wants to assert his power and his progress as attorney general so what I don't get is. Why couldn't you here to say? Yeah, I think I do know what they're talking about. They wanted to put more out. I didn't want out for all these very good reasons that I'm reciting to you that you may disagree with. So I don't get the point of it. Do you think he got just caught? It feels weird to me that he would not have been prepared for that question. Because you, and I we actually haven't even had a chance to talk about this. But knowing who Bob Muller is he's pretty conservative. He's deeply respectful of the chain of command for Bob Mueller to put something in writing. It's like he screaming at belvoir. And and so for most people they might say, oh, the guy wrote a letter. No like, he papered him, which means he put on paper as a record for all time. You did something wrong to Bill bar. You're not representing this. And by the way, you're defeating the whole. Purpose of the special counsel, which is to bring the truth to the American public and to do a good investigation. So, you know, it might not seem like that big a deal, but it is literally like shouting by Bob mall. It is an memorable bar said about the letter then snitty say. That's that's. As an underused were. Yeah. That he thinks he may apply to a lot more things, by the way. I've read the letter snitty, it's not it's actually very straightforward. It was a weird moment in the hearing because bar generally, actually retains his composure. He can be infuriating because he doesn't answer everything completely forthrightly. He's com. Pretty calm. And with respect to this letter. He said, you know, Bob Muller was a political appointee. And he was a political appointee. With me at the department Justice. I don't you know, the letter is a bit snippy. And then he says, and I think it was probably written by one of his staff people. Do you think Bob Muller didn't have the power of the pen over this letter that you describe as a, you know, something that's shouting missive? It doesn't matter who wrote the first draft. Bob Muller signed it just like, do you think Bill are wrote that four-page summary himself? No, I thought that was kind of snitty. Yeah. And. The word was snitty. But somebody else drafted it. And then he probably edited it and made it his own. It's a silly silly thing to say who would reminds me of something else. Rudy Giuliani say there's many things you can say about Muller among them. You could say war hero. And did a thankless job. But of all the criticisms he is not an uncomfortable. He's person he's extraordinarily careful. And so I saw similar to this Rudy Giuliani. When talking about some aspect of the Muller report. And how Muller came to this conclusion about or lack of conclusion about obstruction? I heard really Honey say yet that section of the report, I bet Muller didn't read it, very carefully. There's no way. There's no way. And times to the point where he was probably blurry eyed at three o'clock in the morning, but there's no question. There's one other thing from the hearing to there's we have a listener Jesse who wrote in and asked us why Bill bar wasn't pressed about Senator van halen's questions of Bill Barr. From a previous hearing, quote, and I will discuss that decision after Muller. Support your conclusion, I don't know other. Bob Muller supported my conclusion, and Jesse writes, it seems like van halen's question and answer are harder for bar to dance around. What I think Jesse is asking is why didn't the senators push more on that. Because this is consistent with the conversation. We're having which is it's incredibly clear that bar knew exactly what Muller thought of his summary. And that Muller was not a fan of it. I agree. I think this is also clear dissembling is also trying to make it seem like there was not, you know, huge amount of daylight between bar and Muller on this particular. Score. So I don't get it. It wasn't necessary. Clearly, you know, an ordinary person understanding the question would say, yeah, I think there are probably some disagreements in fact, they Bill bar said at the press conference before the release of the report rod Rosenstein, and I disagree with an disagreed with and continue to disagree with some of the analysis. Bob muller. Especially in the law and how expansive executive authorities. So I don't I don't get why you would sort of leave a misimpression here. But I do think that if you're if you're looking at the question of perjury or the crime of lying to congress that this is even more ambiguous than the exchange with Krist, and it would be difficult to trust the kennel. But it's this thing we keep coming back to both with respect to the president and other people in the White House. And now with the attorney general we should expect something more than behavior that comports with the criminal standard. Yeah. That shouldn't be the question is the question shouldn't be the attorney general it's fine as long as he didn't commit crime. If a judge asked you any of these questions when you were allying prosecutor, or if any of the people you've supervised gave this kind of answer repeatedly during a court hearing that a congressional hearing turned court hearing, I would expect to get a call from the judge and say, you know, you had a prosecutor in here. No doubt who was being too cute by half. You need to talk to that person. And make sure that doesn't happen again. And that person would lose credibility in that courtroom for the rest of that proceeding that trial and maybe for the rest of their career. That's the kind of thing that the tens of thousands of lawyers who Bill bar overseas have to hold themselves to what do you think this means for a, you know, the men and women in US attorney's offices who are out there. And what you I'm sure trained as a as a United States Turney is, you know, you act with integrity, and truthfulness. And then you see the boss the head of the organization doing the exact opposite. It's a terrible thing. Yeah. So I I don't know there have been other occasions most notably in my experience when. Gonzales was the attorney general I think a lot of people they just do their jobs doesn't sort of matter. You know, what what the head of the agency is thinking or saying it probably doesn't help. But I'd like to think that the rank and file folks were prosecuting in a public Russian cases and robbery cases and all the kinds of things that they do keep the country safe and the individual districts safe and hold people accountable that it's like sort of a thing that they can ignore and keep their head down. Just do their jobs. I hope so I hope you enjoy the sample of the cafe insider podcast to listen to the full episode. Head to cafe dot com slash insider and become a member. That's cafe dot com slash insider to the many of you who have chosen to join the insider community. Thank you for supporting our work.

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2082 - Handbook For A Post-Roe America w/ Robin Marty

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

1:07:33 hr | 1 year ago

2082 - Handbook For A Post-Roe America w/ Robin Marty

"You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program. Go to rejoice dot S M. Please. Jarra de rapport with Sam cedar. It is Wednesday may first two thousand nineteen. My name is Sam cedar. This is the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America. Downtown Brooklyn USA. On the program today. Robin, mardi author of a handbook for a post ro America. Also on the program today. Bill bar lied to congress. Turns out he and Muller not quite on the same page. Meanwhile, Joe Biden expanses. Is polling leads. As Democrats say policy schmaltzy. Meanwhile, congressional committees threatening prison too reluctant former Trump advisor would be witnesses. Inspector general finds that hud's impeded the Puerto Rican aid probe not the role of HUD to impede investigations into failure to provide aid for Puerto Rico just in case, you're wondering. Julian Assange gets one year for jumping bail awaits an extradition hearing tomorrow. I believe it starts. Meanwhile. Eric prints. Neighbor, blackwater nays, Jay, nee whatever they call it. Now. Gets criminally referred to the department of Justice by the house intelligence committee. And the ongoing continuing fall. I'll be right wing con, man. Turns out Jacob wall. Also, had some investment ideas. And speaking of falling the Stephen Moore nomination. Implodes turns out he may actually be worse than Cain. And lastly Venezuela. I don't know if in chaos is the right word, but Guadagno wants yet another bite at the apple. Hey, guys, one Guido here on periscope waiting wait for a few more people's chatting the stream are trying to do coup. People Khuda get down to the Rb barracks. South iraq. Thanks for the likes of. Thanks. Oh, hey, what's up? Thank you. Are you back all this? Go in all all this and more on today's program to chat donations appreciated. We have US support. But all body, Terry. Cutch bution sell Mike Pompeo was making some very weird noises yesterday. I mean, not not like like squeaks and fart noises and stuff like that. But he was saying some very strange things that. I mean who knows in terms of our I mean, I imagine there's we have some type of involvement. Right now beyond of course, the the sanctions that we have imposed on Venezuela to punish the people of Venezuela for being the people of Venezuela, which apparently they should not have been. But in addition to the sanctions that we have to punish the people of Venezuela. I imagine we're engaged in other things. I don't know what they would be as a government. But the the question is will there be less clandestine? Engagements? I, you know, coming up, we don't know. But there's like I say Mike Pompeo was saying some pretty weird stuff yesterday. We will get to that later in the program. In the meantime, the Senate Judiciary committee has been talking to Bill bar and Bill bar is the the attorney general most well known for his. His helping George Herbert Walker Bush extricate themselves from the Iran contra stuff and suggesting pardons and otherwise misleading congress on Unimak several issues, but on the eve of bar testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary committee today. The Washington Post got a story. Robert Muller complained that bars letter did not capture context of Trump probe. Look these things don't come out stupid. Got that letter. Right. One person who wrote it one person who who received it. Theoretically, there are other people on that sort of the chain of title. If you will of that letter, but unlikely I any of them would have. In any way, shown this letter to a reporter without one of those two principles permission. And I can't imagine that Bill bar. Who we will see in a moment just weeks ago claim that he had no idea. What Muller's thoughts were about his letter? Bill bars letter to congress in in multiple different testimonies. Now. It's unclear. I mean, it's unclear exactly I think what Muller was concerned about with the letter. We have yet to see the ladder, but we've seen. We've we've heard parts of it. I guess or maybe it's been released this morning by Bill bar to the Senate committee. But clearly they are upset at Bill bar spinning. And it is a big deal for someone like Robert Muller to put this stuff down on paper. It is a formal complaint. The idea that it's now been leaked to the press makes it even more formal. Bill bar has been testifying. I don't know that I've ever seen a witness. Who's testified at any hearing. So confidently so blatantly avoid answering questions. As proficiently Bill bar. And quite clear why everybody in the White House was excited to get him. Because he is as obstinate, and I would imagine ethically challenged as Jeff Sessions, but clearly more talented could you please slow railed Cusack will make Sheldon potable self here. Exactly. Let's go back to April tenth. Now, the letter was from was from one April fourth was that what it was the the I'm sorry, not the bar letter. But the the Muller letter was two or three days later, I guess. So April tenth would be in April ninth would be days after Bill Barr received a letter from Robert Muller, saying really don't appreciate the way, they're characterizing the report think it's misleading. And so here's a Bill bar lying to members of congress. I mean, I guess you could call it. What was it that the white Atwood? The New York Times said the other day like sort of prevailing on the truth in a way that stretches things in a. Uncomfortable manner something to that effect. Here's Chris van Holland asking bar. Ultimately, if Muller supported his conclusion now bar spends a lot of time in this thing. Well, it's not a conclusion it was a non summary of the findings. Blonde fact in making that assessment, it's not a question. I really can answer until I think well, you did it. But but you may you looked at the report, right? And you looked at the evidence of the report, and you made a decision, and you said that the presence not guilty of criminal trucks and of Justice. I'm asking you in your review of the report. Did you agree with Muller that there were difficult issues of law? In fact, I'm going to give my reaction and comments about the report after the well it wasn't. Okay. So what Bill is doing at this time couple of weeks ago is he's trying to just have the only narrative out there is that there is no obstruction? We know subsequent to this. And we saw the report in the report specifically said we're not dealing with the question of obstruction. Not because we don't have evidence of obstruction. In fact, we have ten separate incidents which would constitute obstruction. But we also are very aware of the OLS's ruling. That governs the DOJ that a sitting president cannot be indicted, and there are other constitutional mechanisms in which to hold the president to account those other constitutional mechanisms necessarily reside outside the DOJ and all you need to do go to the constitution and find out what those mechanisms are and their impeachment. So bars making it out like I didn't make any conclusions. Or I'm not going to talk about why I made the conclusions. It's not appropriate for me to talk about that now. And it's all part of the spin campaign. But you put your view of the report out there on this issue. Obstruction of Justice. Right. Nobody asked you to do that. What happened to our sound is the sound there? I'm not hearing any evidence. Did you agree with Muller and his team that there were difficult issues of law? In fact, I as I say I am going to explain my decision. And to the extent that requires any assessment of the mullahs report or decision outta my your decision require you to look into the intent of the president states with respect to trucks and Justice. I'm not going to discuss my decision. I will lay it out after the report is out, Mr. attorney general the thing is you put this out there. I mean, the president went out and tweeted the next day that he was exonerated that wasn't based on anything in the mullahs report with respect to structure Justice that was based on your assessment that was on March twenty fourth. And now you won't elaborate at all as to how you reached that conclusion because I'm not asking you what's in the report. I'm asking about your conclusion. Let me ask you this. It was the conclusion of a number of people, including me, and I obviously and the attorney general it was also the conclusion of the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, I understand I've written letters. And I will discuss that decision after you did Bob Muller. Support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusions. Well, at the very least. We know that Bob Muller was unhappy with the way that those conclusions were presented. We know that for a fact at that point Bill bar did not answer that question. And then a couple days later, he goes in front of the house committee. And questioned by Chris Christie that the House Judiciary committee, and this is what Bill Barr had to say further at the very least misleading congress. I mean, this guy who is a professional liar. And he very adroitly. I think avoids a. Perjuring himself, but he's got to be pretty adroit because he's certainly misleading congress in a in a particularly acute way. Reports have emerged recently bought generous say this is after the news reports that came out. That members of Muller's team. We're upset with the way that this letter had come out. Now, understand the way, you know. Bob Muller is getting circles run around him, frankly because he's trying to fight this through the press. And he's also, but he's driving with the brakes on. The reason why members of Muller's team came out. And did that is because Muller is still operating under some type of notion of like I've got to maintain the integrity of the office. And it's got to be hand. And it's gotta be at arm's length from me. And so Bill bar takes the opportunity. I want you to listen to this carefully. Bill bar knows that Muller's upset about the way that his report that that Bill bars letter went out there 'cause he's he's talked to Bill to a Muller and he's gotten a letter from Muller. But what what Bill bar has not done is talked to members of Muller's team. So Chris Christie doesn't mean excuse me, Charlie Chris doesn't realize that he asked the question the context of people of molars team Bill bar only answers in in regards to Muller's team and avoids having to really address what the gist of the question is does mother have a problem with what you did reports have emerged recently general that members of the special counsels team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March twenty four th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the reports findings do you know what they're referencing with that. No, I don't posit. So he doesn't know. Because he doesn't know he doesn't know what the members of Muller's team thinks he only knows that Muller. Has that problem? Keep playing. That's it. Yeah. Okay. So he's just basically arguing he's just basically answering the very narrow question. I know what Muller's problem is with it. Because I got a letter. But I don't know what people are Muller's team is because I never heard from them. That that's the the game that they've been playing in their replying it much much better than than certainly Muller. Muller was the only one who had this information. So that's what's happening. I means. I in look, you know, this is from the very beginning. From the very beginning. Every investigation of a president every impeachment. Whatever it is is a political. Activity. It is not within our criminal Justice system. You cannot indict a sitting president at the very least you cannot indict a sitting president under this department of Justice. And so from the very beginning. This has been a political fight. And so to the extent that there have been excesses. On either side, it is they're what they're doing is politicking. But for those who had argued that the atomic clock or whatever the nuclear clock is being implicated or that Muller and Bill Barham. Best friends in Bill bar would never lie about the Muller report. And any way there's no daylight between them or that the this. This investigation. I guess or maybe the hyping of the investigation or the nature of the coverage of the investigation somehow handed Donald Trump some type of big gift. None of that has been born out. Did people get out over their skis in terms of like, yes, they're backbenchers. Who? Who tried to take advantage of it that guy Eric swale? Well was on TV a lot. He may be one of three Democrats don't make it into the debates because it didn't work for him. Which I think also cuts into the assessment that somehow everyone was like caught up in the specific fever of of conspiracy charges. It's quite clear. That the Trump campaign was encouraging of of Russian interference. I I don't know that that made a difference in the context of the election. Certainly didn't help. Hillary clinton. But it's quite clear that the the Trump White House. I should take campaign did that maybe they did it, and maybe he obstructed Justice because he didn't want people to find out about his but the lies. He had told about. Not having business in Russia. Which he claimed throughout the entire campaign. Maybe Donald Trump knew that that three hundred four hundred million dollar tower in in Russia was enough to get him to do just about anything to get that built including sanctions he didn't care about including who knows what? I mean, does anyone really think that this guy had fully formed opinions geo-strategy on geo-strategy Esther that were not tied into? How much money in my gonna make a hotel, right? There's an agreement. There are many things thing and you make agreements. I don't think we're covering it. Because we're hanging all of our hopes on it. But like, it does bear mentioning that the president could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, and he wouldn't be indicted. That's right. 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I I'm fascinated by this because I think I it certainly after. Cavanaugh? But before that, I think it was a fairly safe assumption that we are headed to a an era where if not directly overturned Roe v. Wade certainly the right. Curtail certainly the right curtailed in in such a matter as to be effectively overturned just. Yeah. I see your beliefs going on right now. Obviously the intention is that row is going to be overturned in which case we have at least fifteen states that will make abortion completely illegal. We have about ten states that will make abortion completely legal and the rest will fall in between. But what's really interesting right now is if you watch the surge of so-called heartbeat bands that are happening in states across the country. Those are all fail-safe bills in what they are is they are in a tent to make sure that if for some reason the supreme court does not decide to overturn Roe v. Wade they can still essentially ban abortion in their states. What they're playing on is this idea that the supreme court could potentially say, all right? We are going to keep abortion legal all throughout the United States. However states can do whatever it is. They want to do as long as they do not officially completely ban abortion. So with that happening. That's why we're seeing MS. Sippy Louisiana just introduced one now every state in the south in the Gulf area, and the many of them through the midwest are all doing these heartbeat bands knowing that if the road is held in abortion stays legal. They can still basically ban it completely within their states. And I noticed that to today. I guess maybe it was yesterday that is Alabama at least pass the house of representatives of Bill making it a crime for doctor to perform an abortion, and I would imagine also we're gonna see like trap laws, right? Like these. The you know, anything that that makes it just that much harder. To from a practical standpoint to provide an abortion will be found to be the the scrutiny in which a state's restriction or regulations around. It will be lowered the scrutiny will be lowered. And therefore, this is going to be chipped away. I mean, this is almost inevitable. It's just really question of like how blatant right? And what's really interesting about the idea of trap laws is the fact that we're not even two years out from the supreme court saying that trap laws are not constitutional. We already had the ruling will women's healthy Heller said in two thousand sixteen that said, no, you cannot use regulations or use extra scrutiny on doctors in order to close abortion clinics. Make abortion inaccessible, despite this that we've had the fifth circuit in Louisiana say, you know, what I think we should go ahead and revisit that. And so we're still waiting for this new makeup of the supreme court. To decide whether they're going to uphold holdem is health, or if they're just gonna toss that one aside as well just to be clear, the trap laws, and the Heller said, I was in Texas, and I can't remember if that was the physicians needed admission rights into a local hospital, or but there's other stuff to the effect of like abortion clinics. Need to have a eleven foot ceilings or something to that? Right. I mean. Help the Heller said actually said that both of those were unconstitutional. However, we've already seen other states that are trying to go round it in other directions. One really good example is that few people have noticed that in Ohio more than half of the state's clinics have closed over the last five years that has happened because what they're doing is. They have transfer agreements, which are essentially the same thing as meeting privileges law, but the board of health is shutting down each one one by one. And because of that there has been no scrutiny over this. Because there is no point in which they say that they've actually reached undue burden yet. So because they do it one by one they can keep going. And then when the court finally says, okay, that's out one clinic was too many. Now, it's not do bourbon to the right to access an abortion. Then they're basically as close as they could be without going over. Okay. So now minder standing is that you. You think that the that an overturning of Roe would be a good thing. Is that relative to you know, the the essentially what we what we're we're seeing in Ohio or these these sort of like when it's chipped away. It's hard, you know, there's no headline of the day. There's no it's very hard to rally people around in Ohio that one by one the health inspector shutting down these clinics. And so it's very difficult to sort of like make people aware of how this right is being taken away and rally against it. Yeah. Because one of the things that we've already seen on the ground is especially since two thousand ten but even before that it's been nearly impossible for many communities, especially rural communities in communities of color and communities, a low economic standing to babble to access abortion as it is. It's too expensive. There's too many hoops to jump through all of these things may. It too hard for people who need abortions fell to get to them. Yet abortion is still legal in all of these places. What we need are these really big wakeup calls. That will help make people who are less affected by abortion understand that this is a fight that they have to have him being gauged with now. And we saw that immediately. After Trump was elected when millions of women came out, not just in DC, but across the country and marched in order to say, no, you're not gonna take our rights away right now. And then we saw it again when people came out when Cavanaugh was up for a for appointments and people were coming into DC, and they were being arrested. There was this huge moment where everybody understood this is a point of change. I believe personally that in a lot of cases, it is too hard for people to access abortion. It's why we are seeing so much of an uptick of people trying to access it by buying medication online. People trying to do things themselves people already leaving states in order to get. Two other states nor to get care. Should we hit a point where row is officially overturned in people understand? Okay. These states do not have any care whatsoever. And we're talking about not just like a state here state fair, but in entire swath of the country that is going to have no care, basically from the edge of New Mexico all the way out to Florida. There will be no legal abortion there when that happens it's unavoidable when that happens, it's a rallying points. And unfortunately, I feel like although activists right now are doing so much good to try to make sure that people are getting access. There's just only so much can be done until the people of privilege really recognized that this is a problem in step up will that's I mean, that's seems to me to be a big dilemma to even in the event that Roe is overturned or even in the the worst. The worst case as it were that it is defacto overturned, but in but nominally not overturned, which is that. That you know, when we talk about Alabama when we talk about Mississippi when we talk about Missouri. We talk about Louisiana we're talking about like, you say women who are maybe living in poverty and don't have access to this care when we talk about the states where it will still be legal. We're talking about the bigger the wealthier states, right where presumably folks of privilege are living and will not have the same experience because it won't be in the local news. It won't be in the you know, to the extent that it's even in the national news because the national media is centered around those areas where abortion will very more than likely still be legal. How does that work get out? I mean, effectively now there's a couple of states like you say where where abortion is almost affectively unattached. Annable? But yet very few people are conscious of that. So what we to do is make sure that abortion becomes a much bigger platform, especially when we head into the twenty twenty elections, we need to make sure that every candidate knows how to answer questions about abortion, one of the things that is going to be probably the biggest factor of twenty twenty is the fact that the right has already decided that they are going to define everything by infanticide that they're going to only talk about abortion as it comes to third trimester abortions in their going to conflicts, everything that happens after a first trimester to be a so called late term abortion, which does not exist. Our politicians need to know how to talk about this the need to know, how talk about abortion as a right that belongs to everyone. And that isn't just something that people, unfortunately have to have that it needs to be considered a part of healthcare. It can't be divorced from it ends in a lot of ways it needs. Not just to be clinic. Based because regardless of what happens with abortion law as long as abortion can only exist by going to abortion clinic, rather than through purchasing online doing Telam as long as it's restricted to Justice clinic than the right knows that all they have to do is close a clinic be it through regulations through zoning through violence, if they can close clinics in they can cut off health care access. We need to be sure that everybody understands. This is not just a rural problem or not just mid west or south. This is how they will close clinics in New York. This is how they will close clinics in California. They will close clinics everywhere. Because all it takes is to take them out one by one a no one will have care we need to expand access beyond just Lennox. I want to circle back to that. But let's start with the question of late term abortion and infanticide. I am very confident that. That that there's nobody who supports the idea of of just deciding after the birth of a child that you can wrap it up. I think is Donald Trump said it they at a rally the other night in Ohio wrap it up, and then decide to kill it kill the baby that doesn't happen when we talk about when people say late term abortion. We're talking about dilation and extraction. Explain to us what that process is. And give us some numbers here. Because I I mean, it seems to me that there are and tell me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that there are third trimester abortions that take place when a mother maybe was unable to get an abortion earlier was unaware that she was pregnant. I mean, they're extremely rare. But they do happen. When a woman's health is not necessarily implicated. Just discussed that. I mean, what I into the to the extent that they exist. So the first thing that we have to talk about is we have to straighten out all of our terms. There's no such thing as late term abortion because term means forty weeks and so late term would be after forty weeks. So that does not exist when we are talking from progressive standpoint Lee used the term late-term abortion, even though we shouldn't be what we are. Usually trying to reference is the idea of third trimester abortion. The first thing that we have to understand is that when the right is saying late term abortion. They are in fact for from to anything after the first trimester. So that is how things are getting completed. An how you're finding stories of Venlo start to say, okay. Well, look at all these districts about abortions after twenty weeks, and why people have them. The thing is twenty weeks is not viability twenty four weeks is the point in which science believes that viability is a likelihood viability is the point. In which with medical care. There's a fifty percent chance of survival in order to live outside the womb. So we're already talking on different levels of definition and those have to be straightened out when you get to third. Trimester abortion third. Trimester abortion is almost always going to be labor induction. There is not e dilation evacuation because at that point fetus to develop to do that. So when when we are having a third trimester abortion, it's going to be labor induction that would be a third trimester abortion would be the only point in which. Yes, it could be possible that a fetus that is born at that point would survive the abortion. But because of the way that the procedure is done fetal demise as always done. I so I there would be an injection to the heart. They would make sure that there was no longer heartbeat in. They would do all of that before any sort of process to open up. The cervix, and then induced the labor so when we're looking at third trimester abortions or abortions after viability they are in that case always going to be because of the health of a pregnant person or because of a fetal anomaly, we do not have elected third trimester abortions. It just doesn't happen is is it legal or you're saying it just doesn't happen. Like when according to ro you are allowed to have abortion, the first trimester, you are allowed to have abortion in the second trimester. For special indications in the third trimester is only for the physical or mental health of the person who is carrying it mental health in almost all circumstances refers to okay, there is a fetus within anomaly, it is more detrimental to this person to be able to be forced to carry to term give birth to this than to just go ahead and end efficacy. Okay. Fair enough immune. So that I mean that I think it's important for people to to really understand because as you say there's a lot of conflict of lot of different things and not at happens on the other side because what they'll do is they'll start talking about. Okay. So we're having late abortions. And here are the steps that say here, these people twenty who have abortions after twenty weeks that Seitz because they couldn't access a clinic early enough or say that it was because they didn't know they're pregnant all of these other things, but they're talking about statistics that aren't specifically for the third trimester. They're talking about statistics that are any point after the twenty twenty weeks. And so because of that they're completing second trimester third trimester abortions, which are done under completely different circumstances in and we should also add that these abortions take place, essentially. After consultation with Dr between a doctor and their patient. Right. I mean, this is not like, you don't just go in, and, you know, go online and register for it. Like, you're going in for, you know, a I guess, you know, I don't know a haircut or something you are actually in consultation, particularly in the context of the third trimester. With a doctor to assess whether your need foreign abortion crosses that threshold. Exactly. And if we want to talk specifically about the New York abortion law, which is where this whole thing got started the thing that a lot of people have lost track of is that when New York past their new abortion law what they were doing is. They were allowing people who were in the third trimester babbled to obtain abortions with just one doctor saying that it was okay to have an abortion because. Four that it took three doctors saying that. It was okay to have an abortion. I'm sorry. Not New York in Virginia logged that they fought over. And then it got stalled because that was the only changes they were trying to make it wasn't even hey, you can have an elective third trimester abortion. It was you only need to get one doctor to consent to this abortion. You don't need full panel. And this will idea of panel approving abortion goes back to the days pre bro when people were trying to get abortions. And they were illegal, and so you had to go up to a hospital and give them the entire story of why abortion mattered for you. But not for been legal for everybody into a lot of ways. It just goes hearkens back to this age of it's not that we want to make sure that abortion can't be had by anybody. It's just we want the bubble the pick and choose whether we think that your abortion is valid or not so with that clarified. Let's talk about what we're looking at in a. I think it's it becomes a little bit easier. It's a little bit more low hanging fruit as it were if you know a supreme court says we're overturning Roe v. Wade and of story forget about it completely thrown to the states anywhere that they want to ban abortions. Totally. They can do it. That's a little bit easier to imagine. What happens if it doesn't happen that way, if it simply like, it's okay for states to pass trap laws that we're just not going to give that that that measure of scrutiny. What what are now we're getting into the handbook a little bit. What do we do as as women? What do we do as men in the context of you know, activists and also people who need this health procedure? Right. So the most important thing that I talk about in the handbook over and over again is the idea that we are not. In is nearly dire. Straits, as we think that we are because there is a system that is already out there in Arctic cysts Ardy networks people together in order to make sure that people can get from one state to another state. If a person needs abortion care, reproductive Justice groups have been doing this work on the ground. For decades already had been doing it with little resources in their communities helping their own communities because they know them best. So what we have our abortion funds. We have practical support groups we have clinic escorts, we have all these people on the ground, especially in low access states who know how to get somebody to a different clinic. How to put them up in a home how to drive them to a different place. These are all places that exist in that as activists if we are new to the movement in want to do something to help we can find them in plug ourselves into already existing work. This is good because it means that we do not have to spend the resources to try and create an entire. Network. It's already out there. So as people who are seeking out abortions. The first thing that we're going to need to do is it's best to try and figure out ahead of time. Some sort of plan one of the things that I recommend is that people try to figure out where their nearest abortion clinic is going to be sort of restrictions might be there. How much money they might need for an abortion? Another thing that I tell a lot of people right now to be completely honest is it is not a bad idea to treat medication abortion. Like, you would emergency contraception. The biggest problem with medication abortion at this moment, isn't that? It's a health risk because it's not it's that it is a legal risk. And especially in states, where a person could be could be under investigation for having a miscarriage that could be a problem for you. However, the other big problem right now is the fact that getting that medication online can take a long time. The FDA is already cracking. Down on places that are up offering it into people in the United States. Those are closing new ones have popped up. But even still were seeing that it can take four to six weeks for somebody to get medication that orders online you have to trust. Right. I mean, it's it's it's I mean. I think these things are imminently trustable, certainly. But you don't know the agency. Right. You don't have that presumption that you have, you know, within the states, I guess we there are groups out there that have worked on vetted information to make sure that so they order pills themselves in order to test. The materials that come through. See how long things are gonna take make sure that they do actually provide what they say that they're going to provide plan C is a group that does that online, and they have a report card, and they update the report card as different pharmacies. Disappear. In other firm ases Papa again, it's still among waiting period in. So I often tell people that if they think that this might be something that they will need to do down the road. It does not hurt to purchase pills off of a vetted supplier on the plan. C report card have that medication in case you need it. And if you do not somebody else might need it, and then you can. Get it to them in a timely manner, and you can purchase another one yourself. I don't see any reason why medication abortion should not be treated in the same way as emergency contraception in Canada. Now, they have decided that they no longer need to have an ultrasound before a person takes medication abortion and in the United States. There is absolutely no concern about medical risks, other than the fact that a person who might have complications could feel insecure about the idea of going in for follow up care in which case, they just need to know that there is nothing that they have taken that will show up in blood work or urine work in that. All they need to say is I think I'm pregnant I think I'm having a miscarriage and I'm scared. And let's talk just a little bit about. I think the, you know, the the general preference for clinics and surgical procedures in in in the context of abortion. Because that is I mean, it seems culturally that is what we're used to. I mean, an and what is what do we do about that? Yeah. There is a lot of benefits to having a vacuum aspiration rather than a medication abortion for one thing. It's a lot easier. It's a it's not it's not more medically unsafe. If that makes sense. So it's if done in the clinic, it's very safe it's quick and it's done. And there is a lot of there's a lot of mental mental wellbeing too. The fact of knowing that you go into clinic, and you come out on you're not pregnant, whereas with medication abortion. You are involved in in that abortion. You it. Will take awhile? It will be lots of blood. It will be a labor miscarriage. So yes, there is a huge advantage for a lot of people in being able to access a clinic and be able to get a safe vacuum aspiration abortion. And also medication abortion does not work as well. When a person is in the second trimester. So that's another advantage. We need to work as hard as possible to keep our clinics open, and one of the things that were seen right now that is actually really making me feel a lot better than I if you had talked to me six months ago are things like Kansas. The state of Kansas, just reaffirmed that the state constitution says there is a right to an abortion. So as long as the state is not capable of amending. The constitution Kansas will have abortion, regardless of what happens that early on the same rights as long as that is not amended. I wha will have the right to an abortion. We're seeing more states that we did not expect to keep a right to an abortion find that their state constitutions. Have it is. Is there? A is there a provision or I guess I mean is there? I wonder about the concept of clinics that are designed specifically to receive women who have begun a medically induced abortion. So that was actually something that we saw happened quite a bit in Texas when the clinics had all closed, especially when the clinics in the real ram valley had closed on a Paso ended up with a planet that was opened solely for people who had begun who were experiencing any sort of miscarriage issue. And one of the things that I wanna make really clear is the fact that if a person is having a miscarriage they do not have to go into a hospital abortion clinic can help them as well. And can probably do it much more cheaply. It's just it's not something that people who are pregnant with wanted pregnancies tend to think about. So what would happen is that? Yes. People who were trying to induce on their own would begin to bleed but get concerned and go into this clinic enough Paso, and they were able to finish it up with the vacuum. Aspiration? That's a thing that could work and really should be in existence, especially if we hit a post throw era, one of the issues is that this is also going to be something that is going to be highly highly scrutinized because the right has already looked at this idea of miscarriage management as being a way of just hiding abortions. And they're already looking at statistics of clinics that have been have announced that they have done miscarriage management and saying, oh, well, we don't believe that was actually miscarriage that was obviously just an abortion that was being done in secret. When people hear about the various states, we've we've heard this over the years of state legislators trying to pass laws about the police you need to file a report when you have a miscarriage or something to that effect with the police. This is a way of intimidating women from exercising. This option particularly of medically induced abortion. Well, let me ask you that. So. Two things one is assuming that there is a either ineffective or a total of overturning Roe v. Wade what is the do? You have a sense of the legal strategy. We may be decades away before that legal strategy can be play at least on the supreme court level. But to the extent that there is one or there is possibility is there a legal strategy to come back after that. Hey, Embi, what about the symbolic implications of Roe v? Wade made a material impractical difference in in women's lives. But it also was a statement that women have rights over sovereignty over their own body that it also opened up a a whole understanding that reproductive rights was also economic rights. What what supplants that? So Bill to your first question what we would see happening. When ROY is overturned is probably a state by state level of counter to try end, get state constitutions to once more include the right to an abortion. What we do need to think about though is robing overturned is not an end game for the rights. What they want is a amendment to the constitution a person who'd amendment to the federal constitution. So that abortionist completely illegal all across the country once that happens than that would be addressed in the same way that we just saw in Ireland where they overturned the eighth amendment, and then made abortion legal in the country and made a right to an abortion legal all throughout the entire country. So the right only, well, let me rephrase part of the right is only just getting started when it comes to the idea of returning Roe v. Wade because what they really want to do is make sure that there is a comp-. Pleat in Uttar federal ban on abortion all over the country. The thing is the I would say that the antiabortion extremists want this. But the Republicans in general do not in do not want this because abortion is the easiest way for them to pick up votes in election abortion is the reason why Trump is president right now and abortion, quite frankly will be the only reason that he can get reelected if it happens, and they don't want to give up something so easy. They have so many people, especially the people who call themselves pro life, Democrats who will go out and vote against absolutely every progressive value that they believe in just as long as they believe that they are saving babies. The rat. Doesn't wanna get rid of that? They don't want to lose that low hanging fruit. So in my opinion, there's never going to be a federal federal law that makes abortion completely illegal. Okay. In the second part, the the sort of the symbolic nature of a a federal understanding national understanding that a woman has sovereignty over her own body. I mean inherently that's what the equal right amendment is. And that something that we still need to push make happen in that something that they're fighting for in congress right now. And that's why the same people who are opposing it. Right now, are they changed their language as to why they oppose it. But in general, it's the religious, right? And they do not like the ER a because it it interferes with their belief that traditional family values means that there is a man who works in a woman who stays home and takes care of the and that how got intended the Stanley to be. The book is handbook for a post row. America, Robin Marty thanks for talking to us about it. We will put a link at majority dot FM. This is I mean in you predict I think that this is going to happen in twenty twenty one after the election, really? And it it really isn't implicated by the election at this point. There's five votes there, at least there could be, you know, could be six theoretically, and one of those five could be even a younger more conservative maybe than than even Clarence Thomas. So this is there's a certain inevitability about this then and really important to address. I appreciate your time today. Thanks so much for having me on. All right, folks. We're going to take quick break. Head into the fun half of the program. No, it's going to be that much fun. We will have. Some we'll hear from some senators anticipation of them talking to Bill bar in this committee hearing the earlier we saw Sheldon Whitehouse with the Bill bar and White House was. It was a little flummoxed because he couldn't believe how vase of Bill bar was being. It was one of those moments. Like, you realize you're on TV right? I mean, people can see this. But they also know. I mean, we're living in a very it is a very very difficult time to try and leverage reasonableness. To leverage shame. 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Bonus: "This Whole Thing is Sort of Mind-Bendingly Bizarre"

The Investigation

20:11 min | 1 year ago

Bonus: "This Whole Thing is Sort of Mind-Bendingly Bizarre"

"General are thank you for your testimony. Let me start by just saying, thank you. You've had an extraordinarily successful legal career. You don't have to take this job being attorney general of the United States is a sacred trust you have betrayed that trust America deserves better. You should resign. This whole thing is who sort of mind-bending Lee bizarre because I made clear from the beginning that I was putting out the report as much of the report as I could. And I for one of grateful that you answered that call and are leading the department of Justice both with integrity and fidelity law. Welcome to a special bonus episode of the investigation on Chris fluster, senior executive producer here at ABC news. Joining me here in the studio to senior members of our task force Johnson to cheat and Matt mosque, but we have to special guests with us senior Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas and Capitol Hill. Correspondent Mary Bruce who? Sitting outside this hearing room. But what a day it's been on Capitol Hill today and attorney general Bill bar has really truly been on the hotseat. And I think it was a letter that came out last night that exposed that gave Democrats some ammunition to fire these bullets at him. And what it what it basically calls into question was two things. One did Bill bar mischaracterize. The Muller report when he first put out that four page letter and to was Bill bar as forthcoming and honest and even truthful during his congressional hearing a couple of weeks ago. So now as I said, we have Mary, Bruce and Pierre Thomas blitz listen to one of the first testy exchanges of many from Senator Pat, Lahey describing the incident. Test by April night that you didn't know the concerns being expressed by Muller's tape back. You heard those concerns directly from Mr. baller two weeks before. Well, as I said, I talked directly to Bob Muller about his letter to me. And specifically ask them. What exactly are your concerns? Are you saying that the March twenty four th letter was misleading or an accurate or what he indicated that? It was not he was not saying that. And that would he was concerned about my question, Mr. bar using learn the filibuster rules, even better than surgeries. Do. I question was why did you say you were not aware of concerned when weeks before your testimony, Mr. molar express concerns too? I mean, that's a fairly simple answer the question. And the question was relating to unidentified members who were expressing frustration over the accuracy relating to findings. I don't know what that refers to it. All I talked directly to Bob Muller. Not members. Of his team. And even though I did not know what was being referred to and had and Muller had never told me that that that the expression of the findings was inaccurate. But I did then volunteer that I thought they were talking about the desire to have more information but out, but it wasn't my purpose to put out more in for, you know, listen when I heard that Mary it reminded me. No, I talk about my Clinton days a lot. But it reminded me of another person who is very good at parsing language. Can we go back and listen to a very famous person who's excellent parsing language? It depends upon what the meaning of the word is. Mary. What do you think? Do you just have that ready at the radio button that you just push your Clinton button ringtone wakes me up in the morning. Tearing down. But seriously, it reminded me of those days that there's a lot to unpack your first of all that. That's democrat crats are have been very quick to point out. Look that the Bill bar. Yes. He is a lawyer. And he seems to be doing some very careful lawyer Lee parsing of the words here when you look at the big picture, right? This letter that that came out that we learned overnight the Muller letter in which he essentially complained to the attorney general about the way that he was summarizing his report that was a bombshell here for Democrats because they look at this letter, and they say that it underscores their concerns about the attorney general they say, it reinforces their criticisms and accusations that that they feel that the attorney general has been essentially acting at the president's behest that he's been doing Donald Trump's bidding and trying to create a narrative here about the report that would benefit the president. Because of course, while Muller found no determination on the question of obstruction of Justice. Bill barr. Did and said that the president did not ABS. Justice. What you hear in this exchange with with Lahey and bar? And why it's so interesting is that it gets at the question of whether bars been misleading congress when he answered questions in his previous testimony when he told lawmakers that he didn't know whether Muller supported his conclusions. And when he didn't realize when he when he testified about the time, it was reporting that members of mothers teams were frustrated with the way that Barr had put out that four page summary and bar, you know, essentially just that he wasn't aware of any of those concerns. We'll now based on this letter Democrats say that was misleading. They feel the Bill bar was deliberately misleading that he was deceptive in the way that he explained this to congress. And it's why you're now seeing so much anger and frustration from Democrats that's leading to many Democrats saying look it's time for Bill bar to recuse himself or to resign flat out. You have a one democrat saying you should be impeached. I don't think they're gonna go that far. But it's it's upped the ante here when it comes to the concerns that Democrats have about the attorney general appear. Isn't the billboard the bottom line with Bill bar is he ended up putting the whole report out isn't isn't that isn't that his like shield saying guys? What's the problem here? I you have read the four hundred and forty pages. Now at the end of the day. That's what the people around him are saying is that he's released an overwhelming majority of the Muller investigation and its findings the bottom line here is that here's what's unusual number one that several days after a bar released. This March twenty fourth what he called a summation of conclusion the bottom line conclusions. As he calls them, the military was not happy. And they felt that he needed to put out more information. Now Barr says that he picked up the phone and called Muller and Muller. Expressed his concerns. He went out of his way. According to barter say, you were not inaccurate, nor where you misleading, but they clearly wanted more information out as item one item to here is that bar is today in some ways paying a price because he did not tell congress in an initial hearing about this letter from Muller and about this exchange. He believes that this is not indicative of a real bit of strife between the two men. But it's it's you know, a situation now where he's dealing with. And I think the thing I'm struck most today's hearing that he sitting there calmly he feels very confident that he's made principal decisions. And while the Democrats are suggesting that he you know, is basically the presence attorney. And not acting as a law enforcement officer. He he seems non pressed he he's he seems like he really doesn't care about those descriptions now we'll have to see what he does if they turn to heat and try to hold them in contempt or something like that. But that his his bottom line to to go back to the beginning of your question is that look we put out the report. Right. I was what I was trying to do is got a report delivered to me. And I looked at that report. And I said, you know, it's going to take a few weeks to get the full report or most of out I felt like because of the public hue and cry for some information, I was gonna put out something, and guess what? I did it. But here's the problem politically with that from from Democrats point of view is that wall you'll have bar and those who support our many Republicans will say look ultimately put the whole thing out. Right. And even have Muller saying that that in this letter that you know, none of these summaries that he put out were or inaccurate or misleading. It's a timing issue. Because what Democrats will point on his. Yes, he put out the full report. But the Bill bar. Centrally got head start that he got out there and framed the narrative, and that that was the narrative that was beneficial to the president. It was a narrative that the president took and went running with it. It's the narrative that allowed the president to be tweeting. You know? Even again, just a few hours ago. No collusion. No obstruction full exoneration. And and the president's critics will save you dig down into this report. That's not what the report says. But that was the narrative that was allowed to be baked early on based on that four page summary that port four page letter the Bill bar put out did put out a much more to the full report on the full redacted report, right and Lois. Cheers gears a little bit here. Because this is obviously been a long day for Bill borrow Christmas. Saying source e how at some moments now, he sort of getting a little more tense as the question is going on and on and on. But one area they did explore. When the senators were asking questions is that what we're his thoughts about certain individuals testifying. He was asked about Don Mcgann. He was asked about Bob Muller. Here's what he said. Do you have any objections? Can you think of action of white Don Mcgann shouldn't come testify before this committee about his experience? Yes. I mean, I think that he's he he's a close adviser to the president ever the president executive privilege excuse me may have already waived is now we haven't waived executive privilege. Well at this point. Do you believe you're saying what about Bob mower, should he be allowed to testify before this? I've already said publicly I have no Jackson and Don Mcgann, should he be allowed to testify? I that's a call for the president to me. Well, his private citizens this points. Sumit be testifying about privileged matters. Mary. Let's get a reality. Check here from the hill. What do members of congress want? They want. Bob muller. They won down Mcgann. Also, right. Yeah. They'll take anyone they can get. But they particularly want Muller, especially after the new revelations about this letter. They say look the bars they're questioning bar so much and questioning his separation from the president so much that they say that they have to hear from bar excuse me. They say they have to hear from Muller himself as soon as possible they've made these requests already. They've reached. Out to Muller asking him to testify before the end of the month, two separate committees have and they're still waiting to hear back from him. And I've asked several Democrats today. You know, what's the hold up? Why do you think you haven't heard back from Muller, and you get some very interesting responses? You know, there's a lot of sort of about eyebrow. Raising one Senator looked point blankets that that's a very good question. I wish I had an answer. There's some concern that the Justice department is holding him back. What's interesting is that ultimately, you know, Muller's going to be a private citizen sometime in the near future. And once he is the Justice burnt won't be able to prevent him from coming up here. And of course, they could always subpoena him if they need to. But there are some Democrats who feel there's some stonewalling going on here appear Bilbo or kind of bummer and billboard been friends for almost thirty years. But today Bill bar criticize Bob Muller and said, hey, he should have made a determination about the obstruction question. That's why I had to make the determination. How do you think about Muller's going to take that you know, his head and spoken publicly in two years? He. He might not like it. The two men have is is fascinating to me dealt with each other. You know, very delicately in the in recent weeks where would fascinating to me that for example bar today. He doesn't know why Muller did not make that prosecutorial judgement one way or the other. Well, he could ask him, and he could press them on it. But apparently they've not done that. So I think one of the issues with the story today. Chris is this. Nothing. That's been said today at that hearing so far one way or the other is probably going to change the minds of anyone who is you against the president. Or anyone who is, you know, for the democratic, you know, point of view, or anyone who thinks that this has been a witch, and that's part of the issue, and you hit on earlier that ultimately reports come out most of it has and what you have is just more information about whether there's been tension between Muller and bar. And I just I think that that's part of the mentoring part about this story. You never get any definitive answer about anything hasn't this exposed here a little bit the the flaw in the special counsel system in that it really while it's publicly that Muller was independent that he was able to proceed on this investigation as he saw fit. At the end of the day. He works for Bill bar, right right in the attorney general went out of his way to today to make that point. He said essentially think of Bob Miller as US attorney his job was to do an investigation and follow a follow report. And he works for me bar said he works for me. And and there was a quote that he was almost funny. He said, it was my baby, you know, at that point. He said after Muller follows report, quote, it was my baby. In other words, the follow call rested with him. He expressed surprise that mother wouldn't make this prosecutor judgment. And he made the point. And Chris said, it it was sort of a jab when he said look does the job. Do the investigation and make the call Mary what about Republicans today? Well, what do have they scored any points? What are they? I mean, they seem to be talking about the struck FBI agents the crop that be I, but it's it doesn't seem like I don't understand their defense is there one. Well, what's interesting is that this has become for Democrats is become so much of a hearing about bar and Nana -sarily about Trump and you're hearing from Republicans. Remember, this is a committee that is chaired by Lindsey Graham, one of the president's top allies on the hill. You're hearing them focus so much on their calls for this investigation into the investigation the origins of the Muller investigation and the Russia probe. They wanna go all the way back and look at that. And what they claim was biased against the president. I've heard the name Hillary Clinton more today than I expected from Republicans. Although I guess that should should come as no surprise. But they say, that's what the attention should be focused on the one thing. That's interesting that both sides agree on, and it's an important point to to to remember years it when you. Look at the big picture. There's an election coming up, and I'm not saying that to talk about politics saying that talk about about security. There's a big focus from both sides of the about how to protect this democracy going forward. Given the fact that there are deep concerns about ongoing Russian meddling, and what lessons can be learned from from from the conclusions of this report, and how to prevent that from happening again and married to congress feel compelled now, I mean, did you get a sense that they feel compelled know that they're going to have to do something tangible to address that they are the question is can they come together to do that you heard Lindsey Graham in his opening remarks that, you know, he hopes that the committee can work in a bipartisan way going forward to try and address some of these concerns, and everyone has has a vested interest in this. It's just a matter of what that looks like Mary, I just wanna go back to what you were talking about Lindsey Graham and really the person they're playing defense for the White House. I mean, you soar in that opening exchange right out of the gate with the attorney general the questions that Graham was. Asking him. You know, basically getting him to agree with the fact that the investigation was done the right way. Take a listen to this. Thank you did thorough job. Yes. And I think he feels he did a thorough job and had adequate evidence to make the calls. Do you think the president's campaign and twenty sixteen was thoroughly looked at in terms of whether or not they colluded with the Russians. Yes. And the answer is no. According to Bob Muller. That's right. He couldn't decide about obstruction. You did. Is that correct? That's right. You feel good about your decision. Absolutely. Thank you very much. So Mary that is, you know, soon enough going to be the end around one in the Senate, we've got round two in the house. I mean, what how is that going to look different to people? They're going to tune in for this rounds, obviously, Jerry Nadler's committee. It's run by Democrats. Do we expect more fire and fury expected to be a little calmer? What what's your estimate of what what's going to look different? Is that Bill? Are may not be there right now, it is still unclear if this hearings actually gonna go on tomorrow, and it comes down to a fight over format and both sides are still digging. It the democratic chairman Jerrold Nadler of the House Judiciary committee says that in addition to having members of the committee ask questions they wanna have staff attorneys. Also, do go round to be able to ask from both sides. Republicans be able to ask questions of the attorney general Barr says if that's the way it's going to go he's not coming. And now is holding firm saying, well, you know, this isn't up for negotiation. There is some precedent for that. It is rare to have staff attorneys ask questions, but not unprecedented. But Republicans say that's just gonna make the whole thing a complete sideshow. So we don't know what's going to happen. It's entirely possible. Tomorrow there will be a hearing in an empty chair. So it will look very different. But but to get back to your question in the point about that that what Graham was saying that is chairman Graham and Republicans trying to turn the page saying look an investigation was done. It was thorough. You know Muller did his job bar. Has done his job. It's time to move on. And that's what you're going to continue to hear from Republicans over and over again. Pure lost word here. Some of the senators have gone they've gone as far as calling him a liar that call them a lap dog for the president and talking about that he should resign. Do you think Bill bars regretting taking this job as attorney general? I mean, he was this attorney general twenty five years ago and had an impeccable reputation now now look at it. Well, I have on excellent sourcing that quote, he knew what he was getting into and chose to take the job. And if you recall his confirmation hearing, the things he said over and over again is that he's been in his career long enough where he could do this job and take the fire from all sides if necessary and do what he felt like he thought was right? And from that standpoint, he's very calm about it. I can tell you about that. And he seems to be taking the approach that I'm doing what I'm doing. I'll make the calls need to make. And I live with the results. Okay. Well, that's a perfect way of ending. Our special bonus episode covering the attorney general's testimony on Capitol Hill, be sure to hit subscribe and leave us a rating and remember new episodes drop every Tuesday. Thanks to our producers Trevor Hastings, Emily Chelsea Caitlyn Falmer, and we'll see you back here next week for another episode of the investigation.

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Trump reverses stance on masks as polls drops, virus surges

The Beat with Ari Melber

45:49 min | 4 months ago

Trump reverses stance on masks as polls drops, virus surges

"Got a busy night. Welcome to the beat I elber. We begin right now. With the facts. There were under one million coronavirus cases in the US, and about fifty four thousand deaths as of April twenty seven. That's about three months ago now tonight. The US is approaching four million cases and topping one hundred and forty thousand deaths. That's the problem you see there on the far right part of your screen. A portrait of a virus winning as the US government loses the reason these dates stand out is because of what president trump chose to do today holding his first corona virus briefing since what you see on the left sense April twenty-seventh. The president's return to the briefing process telling the nation. What's going on with the virus reflects obviously more than one thing. The fact that the virus is surging that it will not just disappear as a medical or political reality something that trump allies have even stressed because they've been openly discussing whether or more briefings would help Donald. Trump's currently cratering poll numbers. Tonight. There were no task force members in attendance. That's why you see the president are alone. That made this more of the presidential address than some sort of fully staffed medical update. But I want to be clear about something with you tonight right before we turn to our experts and our doctor. The president may have been technically alone up there, but as he refined backtracked on key points about how to combat this virus, it was actually clear he wasn't really alone. The guidance of the CDC and Dr Fauci and many other critical voices moves donald trump to concede things. He used to deny about this deadly pandemic. Bad and it's getting worse and you gotta fight it with social distancing and masks. And I would use it gladly. No problem with it and I've said and I say if you can use the mask. Can Use the mask if you're. Close to each other. If you're in a group, I would put it on when I'm in a group. The CDC, also announcing the data from ten cities and states shows that the covert infections that are actually here could be anywhere from two to thirteen. Times higher than the confirmed case count, many people also with no symptoms are believed to continue to be a source of spreading the virus. Those are the facts now we get right to our expert. Heather mcghee is co chair of color of changing NBC News, analysts. She's worked on healthcare and many other issues. Dr Zeke Emmanuel is a former Obama. White House Health Policy Advisor. He's at the University of Pennsylvania and he's the Co host of a podcast making the call. Welcome to both of you Dr Emmanuel. What did you hear there in? The president has mentioned up there alone of but sounding like some of the people who were not in the room. I think He is finally realising the seriousness of this, and I said I should say that tentatively, because before he also at various points, a sounded serious sounded like he understood the gravity of the situation. Many of your viewers will remember in March when they got the imperial college estimates suddenly, he sounded very That, we really had combat this thing, but that disappears in a very short time that this president. And it is quite worrisome. his ability to focus and then once. It he's distracted by. You. Know economic numbers or something else going and not harboring reality I. Do note that it's Tuesday on Sunday. He had that disastrous interview with a Chris. Wallets. In which he was just. Stating untruths and re-emphasizing and the data were selective selected for him in a very distorted way and maybe. The criticism has gotten to him any. He's becoming a little more serious. And whether or not one gives them him credit, or how we appraise, it had their. The medical experts have told us there are some things that work here like social distancing and masks, so having low bars. It may be leaders in government accurately reflect. That would be the right direction. It's so late so much has happened that people are rightfully upset about that. For your views take a listen to the president here doing that. One eighty on masks, etc.. We're asking everybody that. When you are not able to socially distance, wear a mask. Get a mask whether you like the mask or not they have an impact. either. This is three months too late and thirty or forty thousand lives lost too late at a critical time when the question was. Are we going to fully commit as a nation to slowing this pandemic? The president failed. He quit on the job in. He betrayed the country He gave political cover to protests that were trying to. destabilize. The Republican Party's maturity on this issue I'm and it was successful, and so now we see the states that opened most quickly. were are now having tremendous bison cases, and we don't even have the Republican governors. In Texas, and Florida and Georgia I'm doing the minimal basics that are needed to keep their communities safe, and all of that resistance, public health and science is flowing from the top, so no I don't give this reality. TV star any points for coming on TV tonight for the first time in a while and saying you know. Know, saying what what is very obvious, deny you know two year old son, which is that you should wear a mask? The thing that we need to be doing right now is putting pressure on the Republicans in Congress particularly. Mitch McConnell in the Senate to have an economic and public health relief package that matches this moment in so far from what I'm hearing from the White, house, wanting to zero out the testing budget the corona virus protesting budget, so they don't get more numbers that could spook his election You know promised. His election. Forecasts on to to them, not really recognizing that they need to give states and localities funding to be able to prop up. The economy's in the public health systems that we all depend on. They're just not taking it seriously, and it's too late and not enough. Dr Manual. We're going to put back up on the screen at the chart, which is the the factual context where everyone those dates as mentioned are three months where the president felt no need to brief anyone. Now is when you look at that that rising charter where we are on the far right as we approach the four million case count which CDC says is just you have to get multiples of that for the true number. What should Americans understand about what we're headed into right now, Dr. Actually I wish you would also put up the graph for Europe. Say Germany and Canada and even Italy and you would see it. Come down, doctor doctor that doctor. You know we always. Command. Doctor's orders. There's Abramov this is important. Walk through a doctor, we went from April and then boom. The US goes up until July well as you say. Many European countries dropped. You've obviously become an epidemiologist. There are because you're absolutely right, but you see is both the US Europe basically in the same place? We're about a week or two weeks behind them. They then dropped because they have implemented. A lack found that is that are nationwide? They've been implemented social distancing. They've closed a non essential businesses in a uniform national coordinated way. We didn't do it. It was haphazard. We did have the clydes in our EPI centers like New York, because of good leadership at the state level, but then the rush to open up. We can't take it anymore and you can see. Europe is way down and we're way up on the other hand if you look at New York. Cases are debts are down. The positivity rate among tests are down. There is as was said it's a national leadership issue, and if we're GONNA go forward. We need to have that consistent leadership across the whole country. You can't have spots like New York doing well and Texas. Doing poorly expect the country is gonNA come out of this because in Texas. Guess what they go to new. York and we need a consistent national program. Dot. Etc.. Dr Zeke Emanuel we always pre. We appreciate you and I have to say we are not will be working to take your cues. Whenever you say there's some other data we need to digest, and hopefully it can get people in the right direction, so we thank the doctor. Heather stays with me because we're GONNA turn to some of the politics on this someone who knows Joe Biden Well Ron Klein was the former boulevard during the Obama administration. He's an adviser Joe. Biden who served in senior roles there and Ron I think everyone knows how politics works, so we identified obviously supportive of Joe Biden. But I'd be remiss if we didn't emphasize you. Also happen to have this tremendous public health expertise for managing a pandemic response. both those things are looked to be these big issues going all the way towards November. We just did cover the president. We covered some of what he said. Let's listen now on the flip side to Joe Biden. He's been discussing this brand new. Take a look. There's leadership here. He actually has zero zero. He's he surrendered only one thing he has in mind. How does he win reelection and it doesn't matter how many people get covert and or die from covert. Joe Biden they're making news on several fronts net interview with my colleague joy in read Ron. What is important both substantively and politically there is a political brawl here as Biden says, trump is surrendering. Look I think that it's all good for the process to come to the briefing room now for a couple of months and urge people wear masks. It's definitely a step forward, but the fact that he's president. He has the power to fix the testing staff, who he has the power to make sure that our healthcare workers have the protection ity gowns and gloves and masks, and the year that he he has the power to create an order contact racing. He's not using any of his powers to fight this disease. I don't be pleased if he stopped using his powers to divide us. US and to turn people against to their address the things heather issues discussed earlier about how he's inflamed. These irresponsible protests response measures, but he is still not doing anything to really address the fundamental needs. We have as a country to try to to fight this virus tests tracing gear national policy on closing a national policy on how to reopen safely national policy and how to do with our school system just last week he was still bullying every school in American reopened with no hell, no resources to do it safely. So what press conference? That doesn't really change a fail approach afield. To fire his virus and they're. Really going to do anything fundamentally different in this national struggle against the fires. And Joe Biden also makes the direct claim as other trump critics do that. It's all about him. The Associated Press which doesn't have a position for or against either candidate did report the basically trump to rea- virus briefings amidst lagging poll, citing that same political self interested motivation. I'm reading here from the AP quote, quote an apparent course reversal aides pushing trump to ignore the virus. And instead focus on the economy and politically advantages advantages terrain the idea that they could distract away from this, which everyone is familiar with trump's penchant? That these three months were a failure of that, and that politically Iran is why he's back out there talking virus tonight. Our Donaldson's poll numbers are down not because he did or didn't hold briefings, or because he is or isn't tweeting their down, because he's doing a horrible job, not fighting pandemic, this killing thousands of Americans every single week and so I'm for job I want us to win this fall on for America, really want us to what Donald Trump to get out there and fight this virus, using the tools and the power that he has, and he refuses to us, and so you know I just think that Briefings, no briefings press conferences tweets facebook posts whatever you're. What's going to fight? This virus is a president leading national fight against the virus. That's what you'll find has said he will do if he wins. We still are seeing that from Donald. Trump, and the death count continues to mount. A fast here between the lack of feeling in caring for just the incredible human toll is taking on the country with what Joe Biden did today with economic announcement, which was centered on caregiving, and I really I don't always agree with Joe Biden's positions. I think they need to be bigger and bolder, but this guy seven hundred and seventy five billion dollar commitment to caregiving, which is the probably unifying in this country that we've all been made harshly aware of which is just that win the care economy is. Is Not functioning. The rest of the economy is not care. Work is the work that makes all things possible. All other work possible as the folks at the national domestic workers. Say this plan that he put out today. The Joe Biden put out today would fundamentally health Americans take care of one. Another families childcare elder care so that we can get back to work. You can't have the kind of economic recovery that Donald Trump is hoping for before November without a vision of how we take care of one another. Iran the president also has been a beefing to use a technical term with Dr. Vouch e and then they sort of patch it up. And everyone understands the tough job of anyone who's in substance or empirical position this administration. Let's play since trump talked about this and that Chris Wall interview with which our earlier guest Dr Manual called disastrous Tried to quit up now. Dr Chee. Explaining his perspective why he sees this as all about being a realist, which seems like a nice way of saying, you have to be factual, take a look. Over the weekend, the president described you as a little bit of an alarmist I consider myself a realist as opposed to an alarmist. You're dealing with reality as you would like to say I believe so, but then again others have different opinions. I mean Ron. He's working hard. You've been in these kind of jobs. He keeps his smile on his face. He believes. He's dealing in reality. The negative space and that painting would be who else is not dealing in reality Ron. Yeah, I mean I. Don't think there's really any responsible person America. Who Doubts Deputy and Tony Pouches view of this pandemic, Donald? Trump's one has been proven time and again to be correct, and one has been laced with fantasy, misleading lies, misdirection and Tony Fallacy is a great doctor. His great public servant I know how hard it's been from to serve under Donald Trump I'm. I'm glad he is though because I think he is doing his best to give us truthful information I think the single best thing donald trump could do is remove the White House gag that's placed on Tony couching. Let Tony Fauci go. On TV shows just kind of Internet broadcast that he's allowed to go on, but you know do the Sunday shows get the bay. Yondo read on the Internet. I've been hanging on the Internet I. Bet your kids get plenty of news off the Internet. That, yes, they do, but many Americans get their news from shows like yours Ari and thank goodness for that too, and so I just think that there should be no gag. Tony found she. He's a truth teller. He has hunt this country deal with HIV AIDS news a critical aspect of fighting a bowl around the world. He's fought Catlin Pepsi's. He's brilliant. Researcher is amazing, doctors, an incredible public leader, and the more we can hear from him the veteran period and his story. Period end of story I think a lot of folks feel that way. It was definitely interesting watching that as well I wanNA thank. Ron claimed for being in one of these opening segments in our show, heather mcghee for being in two. Thanks to both of you. Thank you thinking. We have a lot more coming up the backlash to Donald Trump's move to try to put federal officials into these American cities. We're going to speak to D- Congresswoman in the epicenter of all this very important story. We're staying on also a new legal fight over Michael Collins criticism of trump that could hit before the election reported claims about alleged leaf, racist comments, antisemitic comments allegedly by Donald Trump and where bill bar fits into all. That's my special legal breakdown later tonight, also new calls for action the Briana Taylor case we're going to be joined by a protester WHO's watching a hunger strike demanding. Justice, Amari Melbourne. You're watching the beat on MSNBC. Hey It's Chris Hayes. podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with political campaign veteran Luke as my brother about what it's like to be running campaigns. In this moment there's a frustration out there with the American electorate and just American general that like things are not going well, and at the response to them is underwhelming. So I think there's a predisposition to being like. Why is this also Har-? Why are these things not working the way they should be? and that's only compounded over the last few years for some them. It's like they lost their job. In the great recession, they lost their pension and like these people that go play. Play by the rules they just got screwed on. The mortgage on job screwed on their pension. You know I voted for this guy and my life material. Change all that much I think people are just frustrated with the system of not addressing the needs. That's this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening? Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe introducing peacock, the new free streaming service NBC Universal. It's hit movies current, so's live sports, trending bits and timeless hits, and that's why you can't not watch peacock Wasser free upgrade from one stream now at peacock tv.com law and order svu streaming now. Turn into this growing national backlash over the way, the trump administration has tried to expand the role of federal agents in at least one American city, the spotlight intensifying because videos that have emerged of officers here is basically federal agents pulling protesters off the street, putting some into unmarked vehicles also reports of teargassing the protesters. The clashes at times of appear to intensify and here's what's important about that. We're now hearing from numerous Oregon officials who are on the ground in the center of all this saying that it's the trump administration with this deployment plan that is deliberately trying to create the impression of some sort of chaos to then justify the potential crackdown. Washington Post also reporting on specific measures. That basically would surveilled protesters based on the fact that they're exercising free speech, rights or joining black lives matter protests. Critics are alleging this is all about stifling dissent in two thousand twenty on these big issues heading into the election. I want to be very clear about the facts tonight. There have been roughly fifty days of consecutive protests for these civil rights issues. In Portland we have been tracking I'm sure you know protests all over the country. In some places they went big and faded Portland's a place where they have continued and in those fifty days according to Oregon authorities, most of the gatherings, most of the people have been described as peaceful. The trump administration deployments Oregon officials have repeatedly said are actually not helping public safety. Now that you can say clash between different government officials, but also take a look at this local reporting. This is courtesy of the Oregonian. It also shows the scale of this. Because while on television with politics, you may hear it presented a certain way. The local coverage on this map makes the point that where you see. Protests are police clashes. It's in that little area in one little part of Portland, not a city under siege. Now I also WANNA. Tell you a beyond that around the courthouse several. Other things are important, congressional Democrats. Out of the organ delegation. Taking on this policy, they say it's not only intolerable, but the way the trump administration is deploying. These agents may even be illegal. So now you know the facts, you understand the stakes and one of those very lawmakers joins me on this one. We're back in just thirty seconds. Welcome back. We're joined by congresswoman Suzanne Boorda. Meet you whose district includes part of the city of Portland. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me on the show? Absolutely we just went through some of the facts. The federal government. Has Broad Authority? On Federal Property and in other situations to try to keep the peace. What specifically is your concern that the trump administration's going beyond that? Well. Thank you and the trump administration is going beyond what is needed because when you think about what people are doing, they're protesting. Black lives matter. They are rightly exercising their First Amendment Rights, and now that the trump administration has sent in these uninvited camel clad officers They're heightening tensions, and they're exacerbating the stress in our community and I saw you showed the video of someone being taken off the street into a car questioned they actually covered his face took him somewhere questioned him. Let him go when he said he wanted a lawyer. This is exacerbating tensions and we don't need them there to keep our community safe. We don't want them there they are not helping. They're making things worse. Do you believe you have enough evidence to say definitively at this is targeting people. This is because of their actual views which they have every right to old, or because they're black. Lives matter activists as opposed to. Alleged unrest or keeping the peace in other parts of the country. What we know a is that we have had many people speaking out exercising their right to protest now the protests have gone grown, significantly more and more people people who haven't protested before, because they are so concerned about the presence of these unidentified officers who are really wreaking havoc, and you know the president said the other day, or maybe was this morning or yesterday that they're doing a fantastic job in Portland, they are not. Not doing a fantastic job they shot a twenty six year old peaceful protester who's still in the hospital after almost ten days, fractured his skull. They have teargassed groups of people at peaceful protesters, including the MOMS who are far formed their wall of MOMS. This is via video you're showing now is Christopher David, a Navy veteran peacefully protesting. They beat him with batons, broke his hand, and then as you sauce. Sprayed at gas directly into his face. That's not doing a fantastic job that is violating people's rights and causing so much stress and concern in our community We don't want these these unofficial. These a Cammo clad agents here we want them to leave We want to deescalate and and when we think about the fact that people are protesting police brutality. You do not address. Protest against Lee's Taliban with more police brutality. It is counterproductive for them to be there. We need to work with the community. Where make we were making progress? Actually the protests were calming down in till they arrived until the trump administration sent these extra. Officers to Portland and trying to figure out who they are a, what authority are they? To whom are they reporting were demanding answers to these questions on behalf of our constituents here in Oregon and also raising concern, because the administration is said they're sending these tha these. Officers to other cities as well and if they're GONNA do in other cities what they're doing in Portland. It's so wrong. It's still counterproductive. WE WANNA take our own community. We want them to leave. Right. You lay that all out. Including that story of course for David which was written about in the Washington Post the new. York Times and I know in Oregon press as well. We were just showing some footage I. Think at one point you could see someone with the navy emblazoned sweatshirt and he had said as a veteran, he wanted to ask these officers. What they were doing could be consistent with the oath. They all take to uphold the constitution. And you just detailed the alleged abuse that he received caught on tape. Before we go, I did WANNA play as viewers know we do around here. The administration's response here's the secretary laying out what they're up to. Against some of the types of criticism. We've heard from you. Take a listen. To credit the government specifically, your agency is acting like an authoritarian regime, especially because you have the governor of Oregon saying she's still specifically secretary love and said that hurt that she doesn't your officers in her state that she doesn't need them that they're acting tensions. Well I would say is if you did your job from a local perspective. We wouldn't be there just like we're not in any other city. Congresswoman, I think anyone can hear the circular logic, which is where they choose to deploy is the evidence of why they feel their deployments necessary that said. What do you say as a representative part of Portland to that? That's absolutely wrong. we are working as a community and I do not condone violence or destruction of property, but we have to address that in directed way not in a way that results in innocent people who are protesting being gassed or beaten with batons or shot in the head. so I very much disagree with that notion that we aren't doing our job. As I mentioned in you can, you can look at the history of the protests over these many days. People people have been rightly protesting in exercising their first amendment. Amendment Rights protesting police brutality. We need to work with the community to address that end the absolute wrong way to address. That is with more police brutality, and that's what this administration has brought to our community. Now we have many many more people protesting, which of course they have the First Amendment right to do, but they're. They're heightening tensions, so they are not doing a job this helping us. It's counterproductive to have them they're. They're hurting people in our community and we want them to leave before. More people get hurt. A congresswoman Motomachi. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, sorry. Appreciate, A. We have a lot more in the show tonight including my legal breakdown as mentioned Michael Cohen Sparring with the Bar DOJ, trying to retaliate against him to abuse the power to jail, someone to stop his book, but there's a lot more of the story. That's my breakdown later this hour, but first we're GONNA. Get into it. What one guest tonight! Call the disastrous interview for Donald Trump. Do you see the late night? Comics did with it. That's coming up. President Trump's absolute grilling by Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace has been getting tons of reaction political media, and otherwise we're also seeing of course the late night hosts way in take a look. He really believes this is going to go away on its own trump like everyone knows the virus will disappear just like chickenpox and herpes. It's not reassuring when presented with evidence of a rapidly spreading disease. Your answer is show me the depth chart. Because that implies there are enough deaths for chart. Some of these comics also keyed in on that moment when the president of the United States. was basically invoking the fact that he passed a very hard cognitive test. It's chilling the most powerful man in the world. Bragging that he passed a test that they give to people to find out whether they should be allowed to take the bus by themselves. Just approved trump eighth test spent the rest of the interview, pointing at things and naming them. That's the chair. That's a tree. This is a shirt I can go all day. Also by the way I don't know if it's the absence of a laugh track, or what, but our late night comics, they look a little more somber these days in some of these appearances and the last thing we want to show you is when Donald Trump. Then also with the charts getting so much attention here tried to use a chart to prove that he was right about those death rates while it got this reaction from Trevor Noah. And the funniest part about this to me, isn't the used. To prove that America has the best mortality rate. It's even on A. Chart, it's not true. I mean if you just want any chart. That's to show how well you're doing. Just go all the way with it. They get to use some words there that we don't on the news, but we wanted to catch you up on that. And when we come back my big break down, what's wrong with the Bill Bar Justice Department and this new fight Michael? Cohen coming up. Welcome back to the new pressure in a story that we have been following. It has now been one hundred and thirty days since Brianna Taylor was fatally shot in her own home. By police officers. None of those officers have been indicted or arrested for that, and now with all this time going by, we're seeing new efforts for pressure, four Louisville residents, launching a formal hunger strike in protest, one of the hunger strikers, Vincent Gonzales as explained what they're trying to do in drawing everyone's attention, and in so doing he and the other organizers. We're actually paraphrasing an old Gil. Scott Heron Song that you may recall the revolution will not be televised. He's activists are saying that next step of protests might not be televised, but they will be live streamed with the power of each individual person to use their phone to share their story Vincent. Gonzales, doing this hunger strike on a Taylor joins us now. Thank you for being here? So much for having. Absolutely. Let's start with why you care about this case to go this far and tell us about your hunger strike. Yes, so this is absolutely as a longtime resident. Of Louisville, Kentucky this is an act of love by being my co-conspirators a to a as honor of to bar beautiful community just making sure that justice is carried out for. Mister Taylor and Peace was. For Family! What are your demands? Are Tuned Demands are pretty simple fire, the other two officers that were involved in her murder and strength their pensions. Jonathan Mannion Flea. Costs Rope are the to still remain. On course. So you're focused on something that is within the executive powers of the government. It's obviously more complex. To demand a legal outcome. Because as you and I think viewers know that goes to that process, and whether there's evidence to charge or a grand jury. Why was it important to use strategically to focus here on what basically the city could do right now tonight? I think is very much is like you may shed not legal redress is. You know sometimes can can evade us. for various reasons Based on that love. Really one of the message to get out here that these sort of things to to murder an individual in their home while they slept. In the community that I wanna live in. A! You are not welcome there, so yeah, we stay all the dirty and we say that you will not. Live comfortably and you to work the job as if you did not commit acts. And you like a lot of these activists these days are. Young, I know you're in your thirties. We're seeing a lot of that. I'm curious. What are you seeing in your fellow activists and if you want to tell people how they can get, get involved before we lose you. Right Oh. Yes, so beautiful energy coming from a queer inclusive multiracial space We listened to older leadership. But we stay united as one as a city as a nation go to firebrand dot com to hear more of our demands. and. Thank you so much for having me. One hundred percents We've been tracking his. You know all different protests and efforts here. There's different ways to do it. You all doing something that that falls a long tradition and also. Involves your own public health so I. Wish You well. I know you're fasting Vincent Gonzales. Thanks for joining us. After the break we will get into what I've been telling you all our. We've been waiting for my special breakdown. Bill Bar Michael Cohen, and why this fight matters when we come back. Now to an important story on the rule of law and what Donald Trump's controversial attorney general is up to. America continues to debate our whole criminal justice system from the longstanding and yes bipartisan systems of racism, two new problems under trump. But there's also now mounting evidence that Donald, trump's attorney. General Bill Bar is deploying the DOJ's powers to protect convicted felons were close to trump like his allies Michael Flynn and Roger Stone, and there new allegations bars also trying to use his power to potentially punish trump's enemies. which brings us to this big contrast right now? Top trump adviser who were sent to jail by juries and judges are now free like Paul Manafort Roger Stone. While! Trump's former personal lawyer turned antagonists Michael. Cohen is actually back in custody. Like Manafort, he was actually released from prison early for holded then he was just sent back to jail and now. Cohen alleges there is he says an illegal trump bar plot to retaliate and silence him before the election. So think about that right now. Donald Trump's own former lawyer is the one suing Donald Trump. Cohen alleging the trump administration is keeping him in jail as payback for his plans to release a scathing upcoming book, the lawsuit claims that bar is literally quote imprisoning Cohen in retaliation for drafting a book about trump, obviously true that would violate your first amendment rights, and all of that may be true. It will be fought out in court. It is also true it's been reported that Cohen was cut out to dinner with his wife and another couple which appear to violate is confinement agreement. has lawyer arguing that it doesn't? The COEN ended up back in front of New York judge, and this is where the story takes such an important term, Coen! Officers asked him to agree to terms that he at first basically wouldn't accept. It was a probation form that would restrict him speaking out or having contact with the media, no engagement of any kind including books Coen's advisor. Saying that. When he backed down about this, he was still taken into custody anyway. An officer reportedly told Cohen. It's out of our hands. Okay. That's what the officer literally said. So, whose hands was it in? Allegedly the Bill Bar Justice, department, and that sounds bad for bar because think about it. A standard local probation decision almost never important enough for the attorney general to medalists. Can you name case too? Where you have intervened so dramatically where the person involved was not connected to the president. Off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a number of cases since I've been here that I've done that. You can't think of one, but well frequently. Case we don't go discussing WHO's under investigation at any given time. He couldn't think of one. That was an important failure to answer. The question is the same bill bar meddling to help stone and Flynn, who is now literally helping allegedly? Slap these cuffs on Michael Cohen. There's a reason. That actually goes much farther than just this legal fight. There's a reason they're so worried. That could go all the way to the next election. Trump's allies worried about Cohen going public on trump because they remember last time. I know what Mr Trump is. He is a racist. He is a conman. And, he is a cheat. The country has seen Mr Trump court white supremacists and bigots in private. Is even worse. He once asked me if I can name a country run by a black person. That wasn't a toll. This was when Barack. Obama was president of the United States. Now the First Amendment issues here are not an automatic resolution, because Cohen was supposed to be in jail where he wouldn't be able to do most media, but the lawsuits also telling us a lot more about what is in this forthcoming book, allegations of graphic details about trump's behavior, pointedly certain antisemitic remarks, virulent erased remarks against black leaders such as Obama and Mandela according to the new suit. Now how scary is one book or one media to around a book? Well at the White House, they're keeping track of this. They just live through Donald. Trump's niece shattering all kinds of interest audience records etcetera with her account of her uncle. Have you heard the president used the N. word. And Antisemitic slurs specifically. That was noticed. Donald Trump. Who is notoriously ratings obsessed may have. Kept track of the fact that that interview which was here on Rachel Maddow's show on MSNBC broke ratings records with over five million viewers that made it the most watched. TV including prime time broadcast TV now is that legal fight is occurring? There's another convicted felon out talking without concern about any free speech situations because he's not going to jail anymore. And that of course is Roger. Stone, who did this victory lap in Classic Stone Style? You see him right here. When he discussed Donald, trump, who again after bill bar went and tried to help. The initial sentence commuted the whole thing anyway. So the president has saved my life, and he's giving me the opportunity to fight for vindication to fight for my generation. Donald Trump's actual handwriting on that one. This isn't the first time that trump and his allies meddled. It was again and this is important. Bill Bar that I tried to save Donald Trump from even having to commute the sentence and got all kinds of criticism from legal experts, also the resignation of line prosecutors, then two thousand other prosecutors two thousand said Bar shouldn't have this job anymore. He should resign just that. That may have been distraught broke the camel's back. Because of course was now being seen much more as the president's personal lawyer. As the attorney general and he's been criticized before about his approach to the job. The keep in mind. This is the second time Mr Bar has taken up this office at his first confirmation hearing. This was back in nineteen, hundred hundred eighty one. He talked about the importance. Of being independent and not cutting people political breaks. A lot has been said about not wanting to have a political justice department. and. I agree with that. You shouldn't sweep anything under the rug. Don't cut anyone special break. Don't show favoritism. Don't withhold an indictment that should be laid down because of political influence. Just, take each of those intern. Don't sweep anything under the rug. It's trump zone former lawyer alleging that's exactly what bar is trying to do to his book right now. Don't cut anyone a special break. That's exactly how bar metal and Roger Stone's jail sentence a move so extreme that you had those resignations and then don't withhold an indictment because of political influence. That's what bar did by literally withdrawing Mike Flynn's indictment and guilty plea. Undoing, a legal victory that was achieved by the very same DOJ he manages, but of course back when Bob Muller still work there. How could a lawyer shrewd bill bar make so many pledges under oath that he's now contradicting that we can just walk you through them right here. One answer is those pledges are literally the bare minimum for serving as attorney general in any party or any era. If, you were to admit the illegal intent to abuse your power to try to corruptly control who goes to jail for political reasons you. You wouldn't get confirmed. And that's where all these different strands and stories unite from the streets in Portland and black lives matter to the secret deals and Donald Trump's Washington these are attacks on our rule of law. Times Michelle Goldberg also tied this all together. In a chilling piece writing trump is already established that his allies like Mike Flynn and Roger Stone are above the law. What happens now. Will. Tell us how many of us are below it. This is not a drill. Activists around the nation are demanding America reckon with the rule of law. The problems that yes predate this president and many that are of Donald. Trump's making with the rule of law itself. A central question in this coming campaign and what America will accept. Michael Cohen suit is just one piece of this picture. A judge will actually hear the spectacle of the president's former lawyer suing the president from prison. This coming Thursday. But that case turns on what Cohen's allowed to stay and do. I tell you tonight. The much larger question is whether Americans will accept or challenge. What Bill Bar is trying to do is he executes his notions. OF TRUMP JUSTICE! But does it for us? Thank you as always for watching the, we'll be back at six PM Eastern tomorrow. We choose to go to the moon and do the other thing not because they are easy, but because they are hard. I'm Chuck Roosenburg on my podcast the oath I. Speak with those who sacrificed for the common good who do things because they are hard this week, former, National Security Council official Fiona, Hill we? Can ourselves have a serious rational discussion about where we want the relationship with Russia to go, but we have to stop using Russia as about domestic politics. 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CAFE Insider 04/29: Fight Club: Congress v. Trump

Stay Tuned with Preet

10:54 min | 1 year ago

CAFE Insider 04/29: Fight Club: Congress v. Trump

"I folks another week other relentless new cycle. Bill Vars expected to testify before congress subpoena fights continue between committee chairman and the White House and a Massachusetts state court. Judge stands charged with obstruction of Justice. I talk about all this and more on a cafe insider podcast where each week and milligram joins me to make sense of the news and take stock of what's happening. The podcast is part of the cafe insider membership today, we're making a clip from the most recent episode available in the stay tuned feed to listen to our full conversation and access all other cafe insider content, including a weekly newsletter and bonus content from stay tuned. Become a member at cafe dot com slash insider. That's cafe dot com slash I n s e r. Now it standing all these fights about Bill bar. It looks like he will definitely testify in the Senate two days from now recording this on a Monday, what kind of stuff should he be asked? And how do you get a real answer out of this, very smart and shrewd lawyer when he says, the president didn't commit a crime, I would want I would want to basically get him on the record saying that I would also work through with him some of the analysis you and I have done and saying okay in section one of the report, here's what Bob Muller says, here's the standard that he used. Here's the exact language. What about in section two and going part by part? And and I don't think that they necessarily have the time of this. But I would I would go line by line. Some of the parts of the report to really try to pin him down. There's some smart people on the internet grew providing free advice to senators and saying don't ask certain kinds of open ended questions don't ask questions to begin with why. Because it allows the. Witness to go far afield and to filibuster the answer like you. And I've been talking about that happens all the time and other hearings. And when you're trying to make the point that Bill bars, you know, so-called summary four-page summary was misleading in some way can be careful how you do that. And what's most effective is if you plan in advance you show the phrase verbatim? Yes. You show the phrase, it's them in the mullahs report, put it side by side juxtapose, it with what Bill bar said about it to show that he left stuff out to show that it was, you know, weirdly edited you can do it in either direction, you know, his his phrase, I compared to Muller, I I compared to his, and you might not even ask a question other than to say, did you write that, sir degree this? What the report says because that's how you often do it in court. You don't have to go to the question to allow a person to do. She would explain away. So that's one thing. I do think worry I have is people will attempt to show that the four page summary that was submitted on March twenty fourth was miss Lee. Ding, in some way, you could characterize it as false in other ways that you're not going to get that far because he's a cage witness because he's a smart guy. And he can always fall back on the answer. Look, you know, what kind of a fool am I that? I was going to get away with misleading anyone about anything. Obviously. When you have a four page document that's trying to give the principal conclusions of afforded in forty-eight page document things are going to be left out. There's nothing I could have done in a short period of time that you would say was not misleading in somebody. That's the nature of the other thing. I was doing although I won't call the summary. I have now by the way, and you could say he can say with great enthusiasm. I have now released basically the whole report restoring reductions. But to the extent the spirit of your question is I'm trying to mislead people, and I'm trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. And I'm hiding something. I have not hidden anything you cannot point to a statute you cannot point to a law. You cannot point to a regulation. You cannot point to a precedent. Really? That says I had to tell anybody any of this not to congress not to the gang of eight. Not to the public. So it is what it is. And you want you can Senator if you want you can quibble with me about this line and that line I was trying to fulfill an obligation. You know that wasn't required to do. But I thought in good faith for the sake of transparency in the feeding frenzy that occurred after it was reported that the report was delivered to the attorney general, which is required by regulation. People wanted to know what the upshot was. And so I gave up shot. So leave me alone. Also, do I think he's also going to slam molar? I think he's also going to go one step further and say, and you know, what Muller couldn't make he didn't make a call. Somebody had to make a call. I couldn't leave this out there. I made the call. I'm the hero. You need me to make that. That's what I think agree with you. You want me to make that call? What do you think about the line of question? I think there's a really interesting line of questioning around. And you can even forget about the press conference where he says the president was great. He cooperated with everything just a line of questioning around the president not sitting down for an interview when you do standard, and you just use city cooperative. Fully present did not who ex correct. The president did not do why. Correct. The president. Did not do z. Correct. The report points out, you know, a correct just just do that. I think that could be so effective and just three to four minutes of that. And you know, what the answer have to be. And so that's a good example also of controlling the question isn't everyone on the democratic side of the judiciary committee in the Senate running for president? Oh god. All like. Already. You'll make them worse. It's three at least three. Yes. Cobblers? Cory Booker, Amy klobuchar who were all rapes, Volver, smart and can be good questioners. Here's what I'm interested in and under that anybody will do this. There's some value in being forward looking and making the record with witnesses, and you know, from time to time people ask my advice about these things. And I say look not everything has to be a blockbuster question in the moment. Most good cross examination is not blockbuster in the moment, it setting it up for later because remember what congress has function is they're not proceeding towards a particular trial on a particular charge. You're trying to get someone on the record. You're trying to let you know. We were talking about this suspect interviews that we've done in legal matters. We've we've engaged in you want to get the attorney John the United States to commit to some principles that you were worried are going to be trampled and violated in the future and that useful do that. So for example, what is a political campaign supposed to do if they are offered dirt on arrival by a? Hostile foreign nation like Russia or North Korea or Iran. That's a great one and Rudy Giuliani. Went on television. Same time. I did and said, yes, okay. It's okay. To take information from Russia. I would like to know what the chief law enforcement officer in the United States of America thinks about that. And if I had my five or seven or eight or nine minutes, I would only ask about that. I would say, you know, we have an election coming up. What is your view on what should happen if a democratic candidate is offered material on Donald Trump that's dirt by Iran or North Korea or Russia or you can make these Donald Trump to would your advice not be reported to the FBI? And then the question is should the FBI what should the FBI do? And then the exercise will be one of either getting the attorney general to agree with that proposition, which is important in a good standard to set both that it should be reported and investigated or make him look like an ass for refusing to accept that common and decently held. In widely-held, principal and just that. And you can't write out those questions. Right. You have to in the moment. See how the particular witness is going to Bob, and we'd too many people questioning and these kinds of hearings are about the question. They're not it's about depending on the circumstances. The answer you want the person to give you so focused less on the question and more on what the thing is. You know, that you want them to say because it's the truthful thing to say when the when the greatest release pieces of advice, I got as a practicing lawyer before going into a deposition with a partner at the law firm, and I was keeping him at the questions. What questions should I propose to the partner to ask this witness? And he said look into win this litigation. You know, we need to prove things you tell me pre based on you know, you're involved in the case. And I was three junior associated the time at a law firm. What are the ten things we want this guy to say not where the ten questions I should ask. Right. What are the ten things we need? And then you go about it. And you and you you hit you hit you hit you hit. And if they Bob this way, you go back to the thing as long as you keep four in the forefront of your mind. The thing you want them. To say, then I think you ask better questions you said on I think Twitter this morning. Also, you you pointed out the bar is a smart lawyer and a practice layer. So it is even more important in a circumstance like this where he will be incredibly evasive. So he's going to be smart witness. And he's going to be tricky witness. The other thing that I always think about questioning and there are a couple of points. One is people grew with facts not with conclusions. And this is what all the people running for higher office. We'll probably do wrong. There's no way that you're gonna get Bill bar to agree that he did a terrible summary and lied about what Robert Muller said that's not going to happen. And so what you can get him to do is agree to underlying facts and pieces. Like, you're asking a great question. What should a political campaign? Do wanna foreign adversary? Come. There's only one good answer to that question. And if he gives the other answer everyone can draw the right conclusion, but you're you're pinning down the actual factual answer. And the other thing that people don't remember to do. And we thought we would talk about this in training. With assistance in the same goes when you're crossing examining your child. Who is who would like this is good? This is good stuff. You ask the question. Is it your view that? If you're presented with dirt on arrival campaign that the receiving campaign should report it to the FBI if it's from a foreign power. And he doesn't answer because he won't and he'll Bob in. We've and do other things people think you have to rephrase the question. You don't if your first question was well put and well phrased and they say, okay. Thank you for that. My question was and you repeat the same question. You do it. Again, you do the fourth time. You know, how effective that is? You've you've done it. You've seen it in court. Now, it helps if you have the luxury of time you don't have the round ending. But again, but by either the answer that you that you need to get because it's the truth or the witness looks like an asks, and you prefer the first over the second. But the second has some value to and good questioning I have no question with Bill bar. There are a lot of avenues for good questioning of him some of the things on its face. When you first hear you think that doesn't sound quite right. But you have to think about it. And so you really have to pay attention. And then think about what does he actually saying? And what is the role of the department of Justice, and there will be ample opportunity if if folks can do a good job listening to what he says. But you're right. He's he's going to be a tricky witness. I hope you've enjoyed the sample of the cafe insider podcast to listen to the full episode. Head to cafe dot com slash insider and become a member. That's cafe dot com slash insider. To the many of you who have chosen to join the insider community. Thank you for supporting our work.

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Senators Push Trump's Attorney General Pick On Impartiality

NPR Politics Podcast

17:30 min | 2 years ago

Senators Push Trump's Attorney General Pick On Impartiality

"Support for NPR and the following message come from WalMart to help tackle the opioid crisis. Walmart is limiting certain non chronic prescriptions to a seven day supply and requiring e prescriptions for controlled substances by twenty twenty more at WalMart dot com slash prevention. I I'm Bella an I'm Lindy we are currently sitting in AP gov. Waiting for classes star while pondering whether the shutdown will ever end this podcast is accorded at five forty nine PM on Tuesday, January fifteenth things may have changed by the time. You hear this? Okay. Here's the show. Hey there. It is the NPR politics podcast today. William bar, President Trump's nominee for attorney general was grilled about what he would do with the Russia investigation. I am Danielle Kurtz leave and political reporter. I'm Carrie Johnson. I cover the Justice department, and I'm Ryan Lucas, I also cover the Justice department. Okay. So to set this up a quick previously on segment bar is set to replace acting attorney general Matt Whitaker who himself replaced. Former attorney general Jeff Sessions Trump as you guys might remember had some issues with sessions if I'm recalling correctly seemed to remember a little bit of criticism was a tweet or two I don't know enter Bill bar he wants to be sessions replacement. So what concerns did bar have to address even get through? This hearing Democrats had a number of issues that they wanted to go through with him, including his views on executive power on immigration, civil rights as tough on crime views, but the one issue that. It really was looming over all of this were a comments that he's made about special counsel, Robert Muller's Russia investigation, and in particular in nineteen page memo that he wrote which questioned possible obstruction of Justice investigation that that Muller's conducting. So those were the issues that really Democrats wanted to dig in on and and they did. So let's walk through the big moments to see how well he addressed those questions. So Carrie, let's start with you. What is the big moment or a big moment that really stood out today law? Speaking of criticism of the former attorney general Jeff Sessions, the present never got over Jeff Sessions decision to recuse himself from oversight of this Russia investigation, which became the special counsel program. Right. And so the big question. One of the big questions was we'll Bill Barak himself. Bill bar had said some things that were not so nice and op EDS in to reporters things like maybe questioning the composition of Robert Muller's team of prosecutors and FBI agents, maybe questioning why the Justice department didn't do more to investigate Hillary Clinton in the Clinton. Foundation in that memo that Ryan talked about and people like Dianne Feinstein, the top democrat on this committee had some questions about whether bar might step aside from oversight. Will you commit to making any report Muller produces at the conclusion of his investigation available to congress and to the public as I said in my statement, I am going to make as much information available as I can consistent with the rules and regulations. Okay. So what happened here is that Senator Feinstein was pressing bar about whether he'd recuse he said, I will seek advice from ethics officials, but I'm going to go my own way and make my own decision. And she more importantly was asking a Bill bar about what he would make public when Robert Moore's finally done, of course, the regulations allow for Muller or tell molar to file some kind of wrap up with the attorney general who soon will likely be Bill bar and the big question is members of congress in the pub. Wanna see with that is bar basically said I believe in transparency, but this is going to be my report, I am the decider here. And I am not giving up my thority in this confirmation hearing. He went so far as to say an pretty tough exchange with maisy Hirono of Hawaii. Basically, I'm not going to surrender. Maya thority is the attorney general in order to get this job in the first place. Okay. So Ryan, let's move to you. What was your moment? What's something that really stuck out to you? A lot of what stuck out to me was how Bill bar managed to Perry. A lot of the requests that Democrats made the demands for pledges that they were looking for Bill bar is a longtime lawyer he was served as a turning general from nineteen ninety one to nineteen Ninety-three in the George H W Bush administration. This is not his first rodeo he has done this before and he was very skillful thought at attempting to push back on democratic request. And there are a number of exchanges in which he does that. And here's one with. Democratic Senator Chris coons? Do you want special counsel Muller to shield? No one and prosecute the case, regardless of who is affected oh on special counsel Muller to discharge his responsibilities as a federal prosecutor and exercise judgment that he's expected to exercise under the rules. So decode that what is he sidestepping? And what isn't isn't he saying there? Well, that was a question that I interpreted as coons trying to bait him into saying something specific about going after President Trump if the evidence is there and bars essentially saying we're just gonna play by the rules. So one more big question looming over all of this was executive power in his views on this. And we saw Minnesota democratic Senator Amy klobuchar are really trying to nail him down with some questions surrounding this. You also said that a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. Is that? Right. Yes. Okay. And on page two you said that president deliberately impair. Being the integrity or availability of evidence would be an instruction. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And so what if a president told the witness not to cooperate with an investigation or hinted at a pardon? I I'd have to know this specific I'd have to know the specific and you wrote on page one that if a president knowingly destroys our altars evidence that would be obstruction. Okay. So what if a president drafted misleading statement to conceal the purpose of a meeting with that be obstruction? You know? I'd have to know the I'd have to know the specifics. Okay. So this is an example of. Ripped from the headlines and news stories about the president of the United States and trying to beat the nominee about the head and face with them. Right. Yeah. And bar basically said I'd have to have more specifics. But we know that President Trump in his lawyers have talked about with a witnesses and subjects of this investigation possible pardons, President Trump himself said in front of a whole bunch of reporters and TV cameras not so long ago that pardons are not off the table for a whole bunch of people, including his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and maybe Michael Flynn is former national security adviser one person unlikely to get a pardon is his former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, whom President Trump has called weak and rat but bar basically said the president has the power to pardon people. But if he does it for a really bad purpose or a as a way to get people to lie or not incriminate him. There would be a problem. That problem. No Barr says would likely be a constitutional problem in impeachment problem, not a legal problem in indictment problem. Okay. So guys a big thing looming over this. We've covered a lot of it is the Russia investigation. What did we learn today if anything that's new here mobile bar didn't go out of his way to criticize the president or take issue with president? But he did say some nice things about people the president doesn't lake very much. He said he understands Jeff Sessions was probably right to recuse himself. Bill Barr says he is a very high opinion of the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, impo bar also says he has no reason to doubt the idea that the Russians attempted to interfere in the two thousand sixteen election, and he doesn't believe that. Bob Muller has been conducting a witch hunt. And as you know, Bob Mueller has been the guy's friend for thirty years. So he's probably not gonna fire him, right? There was one other thing that isn't directly. Well, it is directly related to the Russia in investigation. And this is a meeting that Barr had with the president at the White House in. June of two thousand seventeen that we were unaware of before and bar told the story of how he was called in by the ambassador to Israel. It was largely about possibly joining the president's personal legal team bar said, ultimately he didn't want to do that. It was. So he was a little more colorful with his legs as turn a free or celebrating the twenty years of the sopranos. I had to get the meat grinder in their favor. So what he also said was a lot of the conversation revolved around Bob Muller and bar was asked what he thought of Muller about Muller and bars. Centrally said he's a straight shooter and he should be treated as such. He gave the president has number. He said he didn't hear back from him at any point in time until it came to discuss the attorney general's position. So that was a meeting that we hadn't heard before certainly something that is going to raise questions in the minds of Democrats about possibly improper conduct or adds to their belief that there should be reason for him to recuse. But for Republicans right now, there's enough support there appears to be enough support at least for bar that this confirmation is likely going to happen. Okay. With that we're gonna take a quick break. And we'll be right back support for this podcast. And the following message come from mizzen and main mizzen and main dress shirts are made with performance fabrics designed. To look great all day with minimal maintenance, their moisture wyking, wrinkle resistant and machine washable. So they don't require ironing or dry cleaning. Check out their gift guides for the guy on your list. Who is always on the move heads visited, Maine dot com. Mizzen and main look great longer use code NPR at checkout to receive ten dollars off your dress shirt. How do we perceive our experience as humans who are we today? And who could we be tomorrow guy Roz on the radio? Our we go on a journey through the big ideas that animate our world each week. It's the Ted radio hour from NPR and we're back. Okay. Guys. We talked about what you thought were key moments. But this is the NPR politics podcast. And we do have to talk about the politics of all this potential twenty twenty candidates who are on the committee were trying to flex their muscles. And one of them was comma Harris, you just reviewed in yell. I mean, what do you think she's trying to do here? I mean, what she's trying to do is what she's trying to do in her book, which is sort of show. I am a prosecutor. I m tough I have bona fides here. Let me show you, and she, you know, also like Amy klobuchar herself a former prosecutor both really kind of went at Bill bar today. And with these very rapid fire questions where it was clear. They started asking a very simple question. But the questions very clearly led to a very particular place. And actually here is commonly Harris with her exchange with him over recusals. They're different. They're different kinds of recusals summer mandated, for example, if you have a financial interest, but there are others that are judgment calls. And that's imagine. It's the judgment call and the judgment by the career ethics officials in the agency are that you recuse yourself. What scenario would you not follow their recommendation if I disagreed with it, and what would the basis of that disagreement bay? I came to a different judgment on what basis the facts such as. Such as whatever facts are relevant to the recusals. What do you imagine the facts would be that are relevant to the recusal? They could be innumerable. It's like she's trying to nail jello to a wall or something. I I will say that we're times when bar was more skillful and times when he was less skillful. I thought that in this exchange Harris and hurt pedigree. As attorney came out. She has shown the ability to kind of penned a witness down in past hearings on the Senate intelligence committee as well as the judiciary committee. And I think that she showed a bit of that skill today. All right. So leaving aside potential twenty twenty contenders trying to show off and get at whatever they were trying to get at and leaving aside. Russia there is a lot of other stuff in question today. A lot of other important topics came up immigration the wall marijuana what stuck out to you guys is really important. He had a lengthy exchange with Senator Cory Booker, a democrat from New Jersey and doubt bars last time in the DOJ, which was the early nineteen nineties when bar said, basically, I hate put it this way. But that there was blood industry. Meets the violent crime rate was very high level of homicides were very high and Bill bar was like such a tough on drugs tough on crime prosecutor that he in one case came out basically in favor of capital punishment for drug offender, which is now considered to be somewhat outside the mainstream. Right. And Cory Booker was trying to impress on Bill bar what it felt like to be young men of color in these communities and trying to get Barda understand basically that the Justice system is often viewed as a disproportionately punitive on young men of color in bar didn't give a whole lot of ground. He said he did basically support this new criminal Justice all law the first step back, but he in Booker agreed to disagree, and maybe talk about it some more. He did spend a lot of time defending views that he had in in the early nineties, and in drawing a contrast and saying that that was very different time and his views then were not outside of the mainstream. And things may have changed since then and he's willing to consider those changes. But as you also noted a lot of times, he did not give much ground. He didn't give much ground. He basically said that he agreed with a lot of the Jeff Sessions approach to civil rights, which I know dismayed. Civil rights advocates in the room who were sending me Email messages about it. I do not expect a lot of additional police oversight and system wide investigations of police departments under attorney general Bill bar if he's confirmed Bill bar also, basically said, listen, I may not love the status quo when it comes to federal the federal approach to marijuana, but the current regime were many states are just doing what they wanna do breeds disrespect for the law. That was the real Bill bar coming out right there. He is a conservative. And he does not believe that a federal law should be disrespected basically called on congress to to make a change to basically either get rid of marijuana as regular. Hated under the controlled substances act very tightly or regulated all the way, but he said the current regime in the current federal poached marijuana is not gonna work. Bart also showed kind of his hardline credentials on immigration policy. Talked about supporting the idea of building a barrier along the southern border to keep out drugs to keep out immigrants. He says immigration reform is long overdue, but he also talked about sanctuary cities and talking about how they hurt the ability to protect the public, and those are definitely policies that we heard a lot of from Jeff Sessions. All right. So simple question is he going to be confirmed? The math is firmly on bar side and getting confirmed Republicans hold a fifty three forty seven edge in the Senate. There haven't been any cracks in Republican support for him. So far he may pick up some Democrats as well. So at this point, barring a disaster in some of the written follow up comments said he still has to make he looks like he'll likely get confirmed. Yes. One other big question, I'm curious about. And I think a lot of people are curious about is how tied would Barbie to the particular. Whims of the president who really tried to for example, pressure Jeff Sessions and really got after Jeff Sessions when he didn't do what he wanted. I mean, what do what did we learn today about that Bill are made it clear that he was coming back to the Justice department. If that's in fact, what happens after twenty seven years with some reluctance, he was supposed to ride off into the sunset with his wife and enjoy his children, and grandchildren and kind of chill out in front of his have asked me like does this guy need his head examined. Why is he entering this department at this time in history in Bill was asked that question. And here's what he had to say about it. If you take this job, you have to be ready to make decisions and spend all your political capital and have no future because you have to do you have to have that freedom of action, and I feel I'm gonna position in life. Where I can do the right thing and not really care about the consequences. Listen, this guy is sixty eight years old if he has to quit hill quit, and he's not gonna worry about he's just gonna leave. And that may be what the Justice department needs at this moment in time the sort of come at me answer. Exactly. All right. Well, that's a wrap for today. But there's news literally every five seconds. So there's no doubt that we'll be back very soon until then had to NPR dot org slash politics newsletter. To subscribe to our weekly roundup of our best online news and analysis. I'm Danielle Kurtz, leave and political reporter. I'm Carrie Johnson. I cover the Justice department that I'm Ryan Lucas. I also covered. Lucas I also cover the Justice department and thank you for listening to the NPR politics podcasts.

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Impeach Barr

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:11:47 hr | 10 months ago

Impeach Barr

"I know everybody wants to talk about the Horse Race but the thing that is really getting to me right now is what's going on over at the Justice Department and the whole notion that we have people in our Justice Department resigning because Donald Trump's inappropriate influence and The the the Attorney General Overturning sentencing of Donald Trump's cronies right in front of our eyes. We're watching a descent into authoritarianism and this just seems like a moment to me. Everybody should be. Speaking of presidential candidates should piece speaking people around this country should be speaking. I said we can't have this last night. I said on air that the Washington Post says democracy dies in darkness. It actually doesn't it it. It dies television and dies right under the lights of the day. This is an attack institutions injustice and with people. Not doing something understand right now. We should all be calling for the Attorney General to resign. What bar has done should mean that we are demanding resignation and if that guy won't resign should start impeachment proceedings against him. I'm Sur- cancer. The author of the bestselling essay collection the view from Flyover country and the upcoming book hiding in plain sight. I'm Andrea Chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the upcoming journalistic thriller. Mr Jones and this is gasoline nation. A podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around the world. And we have been doing this. Podcast ON RISING AUTOCRACY FOR A YEAR. And a half so yeah. Welcome to the show in more ways than one. So trump's so-called acquittal in the Sham Senate trial has prompted yet another round of pundits and officials realizing that we are in a burgeoning authoritarian state. We have been through this before these rounds of media revelations usually last about forty eight hours before everyone gets distracted by some minor controversy and reverts back to denial for those of you who crave a comprehensive and honest account of where we are and how we got there. Check out our prior seventy five episodes of gasoline nation on this topic. We have been warning of all the scenarios that came to pass as well as tracking it in real time. We also have transcripts online. Gasoline Nation POD DOT com for those who would rather read are horrifying history than listen. I want to stress that we were not alone in predicting this or in observing the obvious. It's hard not to predict authoritarianism when a proto dictator openly announces his autocratic ambitions. And it's hard not to spot a criminal when that criminal is constantly confessing to his own crimes. So what you really need to examine here is complicity by members of Congress state officials in the mainstream media other people saw the exact same things Andrea and I saw. They chose to lie about it and we chose to call it out as it was regardless of the danger that that put us in the agendas of those who chose to lie differ. Some were craven careerists somewhere criminal accomplices and some were simply cowards. But in the end they all contributed to the demise of our democracy and that was a choice they made they chose to lie. Deny delay. An ops you skate. They chose that knowingly so remember that in the midst of this horrific moment in history when so many rights and resources are being stripped away that you still have a choice you have your conscience you have the choice of whether to honor. Your own principles or to betray your integrity. You have the choice of whether to help others more vulnerable than yourself or whether to conform to the dictates of the cruel and powerful. You have the choice of what kind of person you want to be. You have your individuality and your morality and you should never surrender that. You've now seen what happens when others do Sandra thoughts. It's an authoritarian state. If you haven't heard yes so yeah here we are. I want to tell people who are listening. I know everything seems incredibly scary right now. If you've been paying close attention as many of our listeners have and yes it is what it is and it's possibly worse than what it is and Sarah are going to go through breaking down. The latest terror show coming out of trump's White House as a reminder that as bad as things are guess what they can always get worse it. That's true that's not us? We're not inventing that that is just fact and we'll break that down in this episode just so you're aware we're not doing that to scare you. We're doing that simply to prepare you. And I want to just share an inspiring story. The I've lived through in recent years which is an important reminder to why passion matters and fighting for what you believe in matters and by doing so you find your people you find your community. That's going to sustain you in the urgent work. We desperately need everybody to be engaging in right now do not wait as congresswoman Barbara Lee. The moral voice in Congress said on this show do not wait until twenty twenty November to stop trump. Start now start now. Find Your community get engaged with your community. Strengthen your community and start now to stop. Donald Trump in November twenty twenty to stop and a vodka trump presidency to stop don Jr. Presidency. Because that is the name of the game and I'm telling you in talking to other journalists who follow all this closely when I tell them you know the end game is to make vodka trump the first woman president and to keep the trump legacy going. They look at me as they're shocked or don't say that. Oh my God I don't say that so even people who follow this closely don't fully understand that the times they are a changing. We're up against actual authoritarianism. Yes of course it can happen here so one country. It's happened in in historically speaking one country that lately in recent history has been resisting this far right. Takeover is France and I want to share what I hope is an inspiring story because I learned a lot from it myself and it helped energize my work that I'm doing so back I don't know when this was maybe twenty seventeen or so. I happen to be in Paris and I was getting ready to go on set for the production of my film Mr Jones which is a story very much about today. It takes place in nineteen thirty-three right at the rise of Hitler which everyone was underestimating at the time as shown in the film and a as well as Stalin and it's about real life whilst journalists that risk is life and career to expose Stalin's genocide famine Ukraine that deliberately killed millions and major journalists of the day in the Western press including Walter drawn to you the New York Times helped cover it up and got away with it and it's a horrible story the tragic story but ultimately there is a silver lining to the stories. I encourage you all to see that film Mr Jones it's out in the UK right now and it's coming to the US and Canada in April. So when I was getting ready to go into production on that film as the screenwriter and producer I physically wanted to get into the world of my film before even heading onset and so being in Paris at this time I think in late twenty seventeen was a book by the American historian. Timothy Snyder. No you know Tim Snyder. 'cause we talk a lot about his work. We've told you all to go. Check out on Tierney lessons from the twentieth century and how to resist authoritarianism so Tim Snyder's mainstream historian but here in this little random book store. In France. In Paris there was a tim. Snyder book prominently displayed. Which was like leg Tim Snyder? It was a random book that most people never heard of and it was called the reconstruction of nations Poland Ukraine Lithuania Belarus. Fifteen sixty nine to nine hundred ninety nine and I point that out that here in Paris they prominently displayed obscure. Tim CIDER book because that is very French and I thought that was so funny and then in addition to the during this week in Paris I also visited a phone museum which is just all those old style record players from the twenties and thirties. There was a man. That's absolutely passionate about old school record players and keeps a massive collection of them and even took me into some random private collection. That's not even displayed in his own personal museum to show me all the good stuff like this was a labyrinth of old record players. And this man was. You're so passionate and so what. I'm telling you is that the intellectual is on display in Paris and just all these. Little eccentric characters are living their passion out loud. Whether it's for an old school record player or jazz music. I was just completely eating at this. Buffet like crazy and just enjoying it. Even though I personally did not have to be there me as a screenwriter producer. I had a team of people like our production designer. Who is doing all that work for US looking at the history of times on how to re create the sets for the film. I chose to be there. I chose to nerd out. I chose to follow my passion. I chose to merge myself not creativity and find people like me. They're just as nerdy and passionate about this stuff and amazingly just found out that my little film about genocide which has gotten a limited release in bigger in markets like the UK and North America. It is going to be shown and one hundred and thirty theaters across France including dozens theaters in Paris. So that's massive. My husband is from Paris and when he found out he was like blown away. That's a massive release for film of like this so I just so honored and thrilled. That might work is being recognized so far in in France has a big home there in France or welcoming with open arms. It's a country of freedom of expression is a very much part of their culture. There's a wonderful Feminist Group from Ukraine the topless feminist known as feminine. They take their shirts off. And they disrupt Davos they disrupt Putin they fight against all kinds of human rights abuses and they put their bodies on the line and the started in Ukraine and their international headquarters is in Paris and in Paris for a reason and visited their trainings and so forth. And so an order that Mr Jones is part about Francis long history of of freedom of thought and creativity expression which is what this film stands for. And so I'm sharing this story with you. 'cause I'm thrilled about this discovery and very honored by it and also it just a reminder that that same passion and creativity artists have that is the same passion and creativity that's required for fighting for your country. It's the same and in all my experiences with activism when a group of us of random strangers on twitter got together and launched the March for truth demanding accountability in the Russia investigation. A bunch of artists came to our rescue caveat. Muniz who played Hamilton in the Broadway. Show New York J Smith Cameron. Who Plays Jerry on succession? Those guys were instrumental in making the march for truth a huge success and they brought all their artist friends into it. So the reason why you see so. Many artists as activists is because that same passion you need for your art is an investing creativity. That is what we need right now to save our country so please passionate eccentrics of the world nerds wonks all of you. We need to unleash your inner beast. Let it out now if you need a place to start go to the gasoline nation action guide on Gasoline Nation POD DOT com. This is why we always say aren't matters because it does. We need our oxygen tanks more than ever and you need to breathe deep into who you are in your community and you guys you know fight like hell right now. Because survival of our democracy literally an urgently depends on it tired of fighting the transnational crime syndicate masquerading as the government. 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That's friends without the our best scenes people need to find something else that sustains them kind of beyond just the sheer political fight. Whether it's your family your community your are your creativity. You find something else to keep you going. Because if you're immersed in this hellhole twenty four seven it is very easy to kind of burn yourself out to lose perspective and so on you know. Remember what you're fighting for. Not just that you're fighting. But what are you fighting for? What do you value? What do you want to see if you can hold onto that vision of the future? Then it's a lot easier to keep going for the long haul and this is a long haul fight and so on that note. Speaking of the long-haul Bill Bar the master of the long game the Iran Contra Cleanup Guy who has reemerged in the trump White House to be probably the greatest threat of this administration is back to his old tricks newly emboldened after trump's sham acquittal and no one is doing anything about it so despite calls for legal experts and ordinary citizens alike. The House is refusing to impeach bill bar. Which is unfortunately in keeping with. Nancy Pelosi's lackluster impeachment strategy. According to a recent interview with Ralph Nader who was a consultant to legal teams working on impeachment the majority of House representatives who worked on impeachment wanted to impeach trump on far more articles than the two that were actually named and the sole reason they could not do so was Pelosi's refusal so Nadler Chef and others sought a rigorous impeachment. They sought real accountability and they were shot down and so now the house is going through the hell of inept leadership yet again as Pelosi deems impeaching bar to be not worth it much in the same way she initially deemed impeaching trump as not worth it even though bar is a profound threat to our country possibly even a greater threat than trump last week bar interfered in the sentencing of Roger Stone in a move that showcased the loss of independence in the courts and prompted for career prosecutors to resign in protest. This corrupt intervention by bar shouldn't have surprised people. Roger Stone is a key player in this transnational crime syndicate going all the way back to the early nineteen eighties like trump. He was a pupil of Mafia lawyer where I cone and he long ago embraced cones corrupt and brutal tactics will devoting decades of his life to building up trump as a presidential candidate. We did an episode in January. Twenty one thousand nine hundred called. Roger Stone Democracies undertaker that described Stone's long criminal history and how he uses the media to try to hide under this image of a lovable yet. Reckless trickster in reality. Roger Stone is extremely dangerous as well as powerful in bar seeking to protect him. They are the deep state that they claim to rally against bars. Also seeking to protect Michael Flynn and prevent him from facing punishment. Much in the way bars. Lackey Robert Muller did in late two thousand eighteen when he overruled a judge's sentencing much to the shock of that judge who had deemed flint a traitor and was horrified by the severity of his crimes and the lack of punishment and meanwhile over two thousand former DOJ employees have now called for bars resignation. These former DOD employees noted that because they have little expectation. That bar will actually resign. I quote if falls to the departments career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan. Apolitical justice the rule of law in the survival of our republic demand. Nothing less after that. The Federal Judges Association called an emergency meeting to address bars intervention in the stone case and in other cases involving trump's inner circle. This was an unprecedented move for this group. Which has over eleven hundred members and so it's obviously very good that both of these legal groups are doing this and we applaud them and we are on their side. But it's really something they should have done much earlier. Like before bar was confirmed bars. Entire record was in the public domain. Going back to his days as the Iran Contra cleanup guy and he literally auditioned for the job by pending a long letter promising to persecute anyone who sought justice in the Russia probe and defending trump. Regardless of the legality. The law never mattered to bar. Power did and he was very clear about that. The whole time people simply refuse to see what was right in front of them and finally there is also likely an element of fear. Most folks seem to have forgotten this but back in two thousand sixteen the American Bar Association did a study of how trump abuses the legal system to intimidate opponents into silence with NDA's threats and excessive litigation among the tactics. He employs the American bar. Association then went on to self censor their own paper out of fear that trump would sue them. That incident should have served as a warning that the legal system would not hold under trump. But it was largely ignored by the media possibly because they feared commenting on it would lead to excessive litigation as well. We were headed toward authoritarianism. Long before trump even took office so remember when we thought it couldn't get any worse than Jeff sessions as attorney general and Jeff Sessions. Who was so extreme that he had Stephen Miller who is a four Chan. Internet troll in human form. Stephen Miller was the communication director for Jeff Sessions. When Jeff sessions was a senator like? That's how extreme sessions and Miller was jeff. Sessions was so extreme. He gave us Stephen Miller. Okay let's put it that way and we thought it can get any worse than that and along comes William Bar the Iran Contra cover up guy the Roy Cohn for President Donald Trump and his family. If it can get worse than sessions it could always get worse than Bar. It could always get worse than a president trump because once they start normalising their corruption to this level and we got here again because so much of the Republican driven corruption in this country was normalized to begin with George W Bush being impeached and George W Bush Dick Cheney being free to walk around even though they committed war crimes and so forth and just this revolving door of corruption and hundreds on TV praising these guys and praising William Bar when he was coming in as though good. I can breathe a sigh of relief. Because William Bar Cleans up nice. He still respectable. He's a white man in a suit whereas Jeff sessions war. His far rightness like baseball mascot his Klan Robes. Yeah exactly and so I want to read now just to get us up to date on the specifics of what we're up against and then we'll go into what this all means and we're headed next so from the new times now. I'm reading when more than eleven hundred former federal prosecutors and Justice Department officials called on attorney. General William P bar to step down after intervened last week to lower the Justice Department sentencing recommendation for president. Trump's longtime friend Roger Stone the also urged current government employees to report any signs of an ethical behavior at the Justice Department to the agency's Inspector General and to Congress and they quote the letter each of us strongly condemns president trump's an attorney general bars interference in the fair administration of Justice. The former Justice Department lawyers who came from across the political spectrum wrote those actions. They said require Mr Bar to resign and then the article goes on to point out after prosecutors on Monday recommended a prison sentence of up to nine years for Mr Stone who was convicted of obstructing congressional inquiry. Mr Trump lashed out at federal law enforcement senior officials at the department including Mr Bar overrode the recommendation. The next day with a more lenient one immediately prompting accusations of political and the four lawyers stone case abruptly withdrew in protest. All right so you know what's really interesting here. I know we're back to deja Vu. Sarah were gasoline. Nation again is calling for impeachment way ahead of the opposition party even doing so largely and we could take one of our impeach trump episodes from early twenty nineteen and simply replaced bar with every time we say trump and we could run that. It'd be just as useful today but I have to say it's amazing that it it doesn't pointed out on Cable News. Hardly anywhere that the Republican Party put Nancy Pelosi aside and her clear lack of will at this point of impeaching bar. And that's something that we could definitely change definitely change just like we did win. Keenum impeaching trump. But put that aside for a moment my God. Why aren't people pointing out that? The Republican Party is the Party of cowards. They can't stand up to some Humpty dumpty. Orange Menace. Who just wants to like snuffed out? Mcdonald's and scream at Fox and friends on TV ALL DAY. Who's toiling competent? Who doesn't read? Who can barely put together sentences when he has to make a public statement. Who's got this massive slurring issue? This is who they're terrified of. This is who the. Republicans are scared of and they fall in line and so William Bar certainly being an ideologue certainly shares the worldview of this Clement Kremlin clown car at the same time. This has just gone way too far the point where they can't even hold their own anymore. They're absolute cowards. And Servants to trump and certainly you could say corruption as an industry and they're all making money so really. They just have really horrible jobs. Like they're getting handsomely compensated. They're staying in power and so forth. But you do have to point out the ABSOLU- cowardice of the Republican Party despite whatever handouts. They're getting in return for the utter lack of moral courage. In addition to that I wanNA point out that it's really amazing. How autocrats and WANNA BE AUTOCRATS? Go to great lengths to use the system itself to justify its actions. So I'm GonNa read from Marcy Wheeler and her great deep dive into William Bars cover up and we're GONNA linked to this new show notes because absolutely worth reading just to see how. The sausage is made an autocrat. Power GRAB SLASH COVER. Up reminds me so much of how? Putin now is busy trying to secure dying and Power Putin is trying to Change he's his own government so he can die in power he tried in. He went to great lengths to do this. That he tried to politically absorb Belarus as a country so that Russia and Belarus would unite as one country and he would then be justified in a new constitution. That would make him the head of that new country that what kremlin-watchers reporting out and that was such a desperate move to die in power by. Putin likely that even the people in Belarus were protesting and for once their dictator was on the side of the people and the dictator is like no thanks. I'm happy just being the dictator Belarus. I don't want to be a dictator stuck under you so that fell through so Putin how to reorganize government. Because that's what autocrats do they use? The system itself to legitimize normalized their crimes. That's why they have these Sham Elections. Putin doesn't need to hold elections every year. Can you just steals them but they do it anyway? Legitimize IT and keep that in. Mind as you hear. Marcy Wheeler now on bars cover up and I'm quoting from her great piece which will link at the top of our show notes but partners has insinuated that is said arrest October ninth. That's love of course was an attempt to keep him. Silent Bar visited the SDN Y that day and subsequently visited Rupert Murdoch at his home interesting. Suny showed unusual concern for the privacy of third parties as Parnis tried to share more information with the house. Intelligence Committee and Bill Bar has not recused in spite of a clear conflict and requests from Parnassus. So I'll pause there. What the Hell is bar doing meeting with? Puppet Master Rupert Murdoch because as we keep pointing out we need laws in place to prevent abuse of power in the media. Rupert Murdoch built in Media Empire around the globe by bulldozing over media regulations and now trapped in his propaganda prison here in here in the US as well as in the UK. Marcy Wheeler goes on. Here she points out that the DOJ prevents a full investigation of the Crane Complaint Barn his DOJ engaged in multiple acts of obstruction of the Ukraine. Complaint I bar did not recuse from a complaint mentioning him by name then knowing that was personally implicated. Doj did not conduct a full assessment of the whistleblower complaint which would have identified tied to the suny investigation of life partners and Eager Freeman. Then elsie invented an excuse not to share whistleblower complaint with Congress which resulted in a significant delay and almost led Ukraine to make concessions to obtain aid. Do you understand that bars? Cover up almost force Ukraine out on its own to do trump's bidding in exchange for much-needed aid so their soldiers stop being killed by Putin's invasion Putin who helped bring trump to power then marcy goes on then DOJ did not share whistleblower complaint with FCC required by Memorandum of notification finally DOJ made a comment claiming trump was exonerated precisely the abuse speaking about ongoing investigations. That Jim Komi got fired for so the rules only apply to us. They did not to the autocrat. And that is how the sausage gets made. This shows the weakening of the legal system the weakening of the judiciary which has always been the strongest bulwark against autocracy. In any case where a country goes from being a democracy into autocracy and it was something that we warned about early This is why we weren't people to not have too much faith in the Mueller. Probe if the Mueller probe was not going to move swiftly because what happens is that time becomes the enemy and so you have courts that are packed. You have judges that are threatened you have agencies that are purged. You have latkes taking their place and then you have people like bar. These deeply corrupt institutionalists. And that's not a contradiction in terms. He was an `institutionalised and he was covering up crimes for the time that he served an office consistently across his entire life. And what happens? Is People get so caught up in the image and in the title and the idea that this person could serve. As the Attorney General twice and that no one is going to challenge him challenge his fundamental legitimacy as somebody whose job it is to uphold the law they think. Of course you know. You're the attorney general. That's what you do. That is never what he has done. He has been immersed in Republican criminality for several decades and has been kind of lurking at the surface of various offenses and before you mentioned how the GOP has coward to trump despite trump looking ridiculous despite trump looking last week like the orange teletubby son in a photo you know there are these moments where yes okay. There must be incredible humiliation for this of all people to become the dictator. Like he's not even like a bad ass dictator but that of course. I WANNA sexier of dictator. I this is America dammit. You know we invented the action movie. I demand a more suitable dictator. Or we're going to go down. I want to go down under some spelt. Yes some have some looks you know I might as well be a Dapper Nazi than out of shape. He's very American though. I think in the way that he deceives people and especially deceives this kind of Snotty highbrow media into thinking that he's not a threat and this is what the GOP has been doing for a long time. Like when you mentioned before about how we've had these recurring crises where there is never accountability for those who committed the crimes. So you see the same people recurring again and again you C Watergate. Gop IRAN-CONTRA GOP the nine eleven aftermath again gop war in Iraq based on false pretenses by the GOP the two thousand eight financial collapse GOP. What happens sometimes like in the latter case you get a Democratic president who comes after this as Obama did and he gets the blame for what Bush and his administration actually did. But this is a very consistent pattern over the last forty years where you're literally seeing the same people you see. Roger Stone all the way back to Watergate Roger Stone who has a giant Tattoo of Nixon on his back. That will hopefully be seen in a jailhouse though. I don't really have hope for that anymore. You see bill bar being written about in one thousand nine hundred. Ninety two BY PEOPLE LIKE BILL. Safire people who were hard core conservatives and yet they were out warning everyone like stay the fuck away from Bill Bar. Bill Bar is crazy. I'm paraphrasing bill. Safire HERE BILL. Bars fucking nuts. Like he's a criminal he's covering shit up he's making the rest of US look bad. He's bringing the liberation down. Only Shit I mean that's basically what it is although that's all wrapped up in this well-mannered kind of veneer so everyone should have seen this coming and everyone should have recognized this as deeply scary. You know like Bill Bar. And trump are two sides of the same coin. You get trump as the flamboyant clownish buffoonish asshole basically and then you get bill bar as the slick `institutionalised who people like Ben Witness. In the law fair blog will go and swoon. About and see how wonderful they are until they do. The Very Bill Barr things. Bill bars like program to do which is to be a crime machine which is to cover up the dirty work of criminals and it's gross. The whole system is disgusting. That is indeed the swamp like when trump said there was a swamp. He wasn't lying about that. All the people I just mentioned are in that Swab but trump is in that swamp to an all trump did was take the swamp and make it and put it around the White House and have it protect his family and their criminal interests. And that's it and we wanted to clarify we're not that shaming anyone here or not fat shaming the president states where shaming specifically just how physically mentally emotionally trump is unfit to be office. You personally can be any shape size. You want we all that right. Donald Trump specifically is somebody that has shown us again and again that he is mentally fit to be in office he is somebody who fat shames other people who shames other people for what they look like for anything any tiny little thing perceived or real and yet he is somebody who is just physically repulsive to look out. I simply cannot look at this person anymore. His inner utter lack of character is physically manifested like Java the hut and who he is as an individual so I just wanted to clarify that and in terms of it finally becoming mainstream that yes. This is authoritarianism. Women and people of Color Women of color have been calling this out since the beginning. The black lives matter movement was about calling out police state violence as we've always point out in the show black people. In AMERICA NATIVE AMERICANS IN AMERICA. I've always been on the forefront of confronting the the the strain of authoritarianism has always been a part of our country's history because we were built on centuries of the Holocaust is slavery itself. It's just gotten to the point where now white people including affluent white people are impacted including the DOJ and members of the DOJ an F. B. I like like Anne McCabe and others like those people were were normally cloistered from the strain of authoritarianism as always ran through our history and now they're not and that's what's changed things that's what's changed the game. It's gotten so bad. That white people are impacted. One of the best commentaries on the lenient. Paul Manafort sentencing was. Somebody wrote on twitter. Now you understand how white people how the justice system works. If you're rich and white you can get away with it. No matter how many leads you destroy and now we're looking at the possibility of manafort even being pardoned right so so it with stone nearly getting off here which is such a Roger Stone Magic. Dark magic trick to pull off. Who Do you think's next metaphor? And then he'll be free to commit more crimes as Putin's political operative hill dye his hair. Again he'll be probably one of the first things he does and he gets out of prison and he'll get his suit on and he'll do the table rounds you know cable. Tv news rounds and he'll be right back at it and people will fall for it again because white people who are cloistered from authoritarian strain in our nation's history are not impacted and not just a reality. That's just a reality. So we need to confront that reality and we need to change it. And we need to understand that We needed to take leadership from women especially women of color because they are on the frontlines and have a long history of building and fortifying communities to resist this and the imagine how exhausted they are by now so we need a fortify them and back them up and be the cavalry to the most vulnerable among us and not leave this on them to save our democracy because it's about all of us refusing to abandon each other now because things really are that bad so we do call on the Democratic leadership in the House to impeach William Bar as soon as possible. That impeachment trial will play out likely. Just like trump's did they'll be phenomenal. Must Watch TV coming out of the house things to Adam Schiff and others in the house and then it's going to go to the Senate where the Republicans in the Senate are going to humiliate themselves for all of history in front of all the world by voting to let our criminal off the hook. You'll still get incredible. Must Watch TV coming out. The Democrats like Adam Schiff really nailing them really nailing them for their utter lack of a moral courage and and we need that to play out again. Because guess what. William Bar will be the first attorney general of the United States to be impeached and he needs to go down in history without around his neck Weena. Absolutely make sure of that because we need to fight with all the power that we have at our disposal as of now who is to say that the Democrats will maintain the House of the twenty twenty election. The trump crime family needs to dodge accountability. They've been very good at doing that. They've amassed a fortune doing that over the years. Who's to say they're not gonNA play all stops to steal as many races that they can twenty twenty. Why wouldn't the Kremlin help them? Because one of the first things a Democrat would do one of the first things that the congress would do if it had enough of Democrats in power the first thing they do will be passed sanctions on Russia for its massive aggression and finally contain Putin's aggression. That's what they would do. And then guess what the EU would fall in line because the EU needs the US to be strong on the Kremlin. That's how it always has been. Of course the Kremlin and the trump crime family needed dodge accountability now. We don't know if we're going to have a fair and free election and that's not alarmist to say that because look at our attorney general right now look at what's happening in front of our very eyes while we have the house. Democrats absolutely must impeach him. Please call on your representatives to demand that the impeach bar. That's it because if you don't put your foot down if you don't fight back forcefully at every turn but especially early you end up in this situation. If for example iran-contra had been dealt with bill bar hadn't been around then to help people get off if these Republican criminal administrations had been put in check had been held accountable. Had been publicly. Shamed had not just been reappearing endlessly on Sunday. Shows or on news programs you know and had been treated as the Anti Democratic corrupt people that they are. We not be in this situation. If people had reacted to trump announcing his campaign by proclaiming Mexicans to be rapists and murderers by banning him from TV or just saying we're not part of that. We think that that's dangerous and horrible and is actually hurting people. Were not going to go along with us. That's what NBC initially did by the way they cancelled the apprentice over that and then within years you find them you know bowing down to him. That's what would happen. I mean I mean even thinking about Roger Stone how when everyone was so ecstatic thinking he was going to go to jail and he just immediately was on CNN. And all these networks palling around with the media that he pretends is his enemy but his actually his best friend and being legitimised by them so there needs to be a whole change in this entire system in you know who people uphold what they accept you know. I always encourage people to strike out on their own to not necessarily try to fit in to this system which is corrupted from within. But build your own media. Express yourself build your own projects. Because my God I it's just it's crowded and grotesque. It requires conformity at a level that no one should have to bear speaking of actually. This is a pretty decent segue into Bloomberg. Did you have anything you wanted to add on bar before starting to that speaking of Bar? Let's now talk about. Bloomberg's seamless segue. Which is absolutely true as Sarah's going explain well speaking of like gross institutionalists like people who are legitimized for horrible behavior over many years of time without facing reprecussions so we are against Bloomberg on guests at nation. I'm just GONNA come out and say that. Bloomberg is an incredible danger to democracy in my view. He is the most dangerous of the Democratic candidates. And I'm actually including Tulsi Gabbard in that in part because she just. I don't think she has a chance to actually win but his candidacy is an insult to voters. We should not have to choose between a kleptocrat meaning trump and a plutocrats meaning Bloomberg. Both of whom are racists both of whom have enacted vicious policies against children. Who AREN'T WHITE? Both of whom have been accused of sexual harassment by dozens of women both of whom seek to decimate basic services that benefit ordinary people both of defend dictatorships like Russia and China and both of whom are connected to Jeffrey Epstein Gylain Maxwell and their pedophile trafficking operation. I would just like one president who is not in a fucking photo with Jillian Maxwell or Epstein just one also like trump Bloomberg is someone who switches parties when it is politically expedient and now he is running as a Republican in Democrats clothing. We will never vote for trump. Obviously but the old mantra of vote blue no matter who does not apply to Bloomberg you cannot expect people to vote for someone who said this quote Amir five years ago and so. Here's what Bloomberg said about his notorious. Stop and Frisk Policy. This was brought up by Benjamin Dixon. So thank you for that. Thank you for all the things people are bringing back into the public eye so Bloomberg says ninety five percent of murders murderers and murder victims fit one. Mo You can just take a description xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities. Sixteen to twenty five. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city and that's where the real crime is so. This is not just factually wrong but it is disgusting. It is cruel. It is racist. No one should abide this or be asked to abide this so Bloomberg better than trump. Sure because nearly everyone is because trump is a sociopath within nuke fetish at the center of a Transnational Crime Syndicate but Bloomberg's election would destroy. Us Democracy in its own way. He has authoritarian tendencies. He is smarter slicker than trump and he seeks to build a technocracy. Probably along the lines of what we've been seeing in China. It is a frightening prospect. And so what everyone needs to do is vote in the primary and make sure that we do not have a Bloomberg versus trump election and finally last thing people should be vetting Bloomberg far more rigorously than they are. You may recall. Trump's spent his life in the public eye yet. The extent of his criminality still came as a shock to most Americans that is decades of criminality. Bloomberg was mayor when the Republican Mafia continued the money laundering operations. It had begun under Giuliani in the one thousand. Nine hundred ninety s under Bloomberg New York became not only a city for the wealthy alea before elite criminals. Bloomberg is the last person you want in charge of holding the trump administration accountable for in a world where white collar crime has merged with organized crime. He is part of that circle. Aim The further ado a very special guest on this week's episode an old friend of mine. While Sarah's he is a reporter that covered the Democratic primary in twenty sixteen for the US presidential election. And he's covering it again this year where he's on his way to. South Carolina and early voting states in this primary also happens to be an expert on the countries of Ukraine and Georgia where countries as both worries lived and an expert in aggression towards countries as well as foreign policy regards those states welcome senior reporter for Dot Com Terrell Germain Star. Hey I'm so happy to be here. This is like always listen Before now like actual guests and we have to save. Terrell happens to be a patriotic supporter of. That's not why he's on this show. Bloomberg my way on so well said well said well. Thank you for coming on. We really appreciate it. And so before we were starting to talk about Bloomberg. And you're a New Yorker. You have experienced living under his tyrannical rule. You also are an expert in kleptocracy in Russia's regime you've been following trump and covering elections for years. What are your thoughts on his candidacy? Well to tell you that one thing that we have to remember when we were discussing. Bloomberg is we have to remind ourselves that too often American reporters just the American media. Landscape covers America from the Lens of exceptionalism meaning that we are not like Russia. We are not like Ukraine. We are not like those other countries where we use these political science terms plutocracy kleptocracy aggressor or regime. But when you look at Bloomberg and what. He's done in particularly particularly the way in which he bought himself into his third term. It very much reflects of an oligarch somebody who uses their political power in order to exact the type of result that they seek now was different between a Ukrainian. Oligarch yours say the blooms are the American version of Bloomberg's oligarchy is that the modes are which they deploy. Their THEIR MEMPHIS is very different. So I'll never forget when I was in Ukraine and I was talking with a corporate lawyer and they were explained to me how the Ukrainian oligarchy works in the short version to joke is dead so Dimitri and Ukraine and there's a dmitry in and Moscow and so basically they're investigating corruption through the internal affairs offices of a company and so- Dmitri and you in Kiev somebody goes to a mysterious man says Dimitri is everything. Okay we understand that you've been asking some questions. Do you need assistance from us? And no same things happens in a Moscow. Scenario takes place now in Moscow. The very next day Dmitry car blows up and Ukraine. The same mysterious guy comes again the next day and then a week later. Dmitri's car blows up. The same scenario happens in which the mysterious man go to Mitri at the at the internal affairs and the mysterious man says. I heard that your car blew up. Is Everything okay? Do need any help. We can look into it for you and Moscow. Dmitry Says No. I don't need your help. The next day they kill him and Ukraine the next day the mysterious man comes and says I heard Dmitri. Do any help is everything. Okay and Imagery Says No. Now what happens in Ukraine? Is that the mysterious man comes for another few weeks and then finally kill the more of this joke is that in Ukraine and in Russia the oligarchs both kill you but Ukraine's nicer. No just give you more time to come to your senses. Sounds about right now. It sounds I heard? I'm like Oh this is just as just so more. But Yeah I mean the joke is that Ukrainians were just nicer but in reality. I'm saying that to say that Bloomberg's not killing anybody okay. He's he's not gonNA kill you but he but if you look at the MoD there which he deploys and when you think about stop and I when you think about how on one uses a misleading claim that stop and Frisk actually stops and reduce crime when it doesn't all you're doing as you're taking advantage of black and Brown bodies and you're pushing this narrative that particular mode of policy works when it clearly does not and so you're using this mode of a false this racist policy in order to strengthen your position as as a political leader so very much fits it explain what it stop and Frisk was the New York City for so long under Bloomberg. Yes over I. It was a policy which was stopped. Random people in very the theory is that you're in neighborhoods. Were were high amounts of pine for taking place. And so you're looking at black focused on black and Brown people particularly. I mean he has said this in recordings okay and so the idea is that you stop people who in these crime areas who in officers have the discretion to determine if they thought they were likely to cause crime right now. Legally the stops were not. They were not illegal. The problem was that there was a racial profiling component behind it. So that was the issue right. That makes it unconstitutional. But the way stop and I worked was that the theory was we're GonNa go to high crime areas. That was the theory but in reality so over the course of anywhere it went. Anyway I was. I was taking the Q train. I think the best seven Avenue Avenue. Stop of the q train and you see like a black child. Getting stop and Frisk by a gang of NYPD police officers in front of everyone. In broad daylight that was stop and Frisk like like black children and teenagers carrying about going out of business. Getting stop and Frisk in front of people. It's humiliation absolutely absolutely yes. There's absolutely correct. I mean I'm just giving you what they're three was. Bs can say something. When I was their age in high school I was a menace. I somehow got my driver's license and I proceeded to dry a hundred and twenty miles an hour get pulled over drive through stop signs. I became so good at talking to my way at a speeding tickets and and running. Stop signs in a way that if I were a black teenager doing that they would have derailed my life absolutely and so when I was living in. Eci for a period of time. You never saw this. Were they going down to the same nearly the same rates but it was really indiscriminate policy. Die Impact people across this city. And so you had ends you. Have you know. Hundreds of thousands of people were impacted by this and all those are unconstitutional end. Bloomberg until he threw his in for the presidency that he was wrong. Right exactly right and also the misogyny plus cases of sexual harassment so the the coalition of support that the Democrats need in order to defeat trump in November twenty twenty women and people of Color Women of color. Those are the communities that are going to be fighting their hearts out to make sure that voters show up. Those are the communities that Bloomberg checks all the boxes in terms of causing actual harm against and young people to I would add young people and poor people and younger people. Are you know poor people anyway? I WANNA hear it. Tyrel thinks so gone. Here's the thing was hard about. This is that much of the knowledge about stop and Frisk and all the horrible things. He's done all. This information is digital and for people most voters who are going to go to the polls who are the forty enough particularly the fifty and sixty and up are living analog realities and so when you go around the country a lot of folks. Don't even know this not know it because I travel and I listen to people talk about Bloomberg talking to talk about a write range of these folks and so the mistake that journalists make people like us make is that we assume that their level of knowledge and understanding of issues. Equal that of ours. And that's simply not true and so when you when they look at our Bloomberg they look at somebody but you girlie black people. They look at somebody who Ran New York City and think that they're if there's an exception to anybody who can move up from the city level to the national level it would be a Bloomberg and so they're not really into the nuances and nitty gritty. Stop and I and then we have to also deal with a very painful complex issue within our within black communities is that there's a complicated relationship between black folk and the police. There are a lot of people who have not come to the conclusion that having more officers on the street does not equal a reduction in crime and so the conversations around investing in schools investing divesting from the criminal legal system regards to jailing people just want their communities to be safe and they assumed that there's a police officer there then that means that's one of the least likely equal to them enduring any type of heart and you get that particularly from older voters who are not harassed to are not profile like younger. People are in those younger people while they may be. The most impact are the hardest wants to get to the polls. And so. That's what you're dealing with. You're not you're dealing with a generation of people literally a generation of people who can really tap into stop who can really remember. Stop and Frisk but the problem is getting them to the polls while the older voters who may find Bloomberg appealing it may not be as impacted by those policies. They're not hearing what we're hearing. And so that's the problem. Yeah I think that's a huge problem and also the geographic disparity like because this reminds me of trump like when trump ran people in New York tended to know his history. You know they'd grown up with him. As a tabloid figure they knew about bankruptcies they knew not the full extent of his criminality but the basics and out here in the. Mid West people knew him mostly as the host of the apprentice and the host of celebrity apprentice and they assumed if this guy has been in the public eye for so long the really bad stuff about him must have already come out. There can't be that much more to know and I kind of feel like the same thing might be happening with Bloomberg that people who were most directly impacted by him particularly black youth but also just people who live in New York City who read the New York City media. They tend to no more than folks who are out where I live. Who experienced the same policies? I mean I live in Saint Louis. Obviously so people are experiencing stop and Frisk. They're experiencing police brutality. They're experiencing a bad bureaucratic management from above. But what they're seeing on Youtube. And I know this because his his ads are so ubiquitous that even my nine year old is reciting to me things about Michael Bloomberg the Great Savior. They think Obama endorsed him. Bloomberg as an ad saying that they think he's the next LBJ Bloomberg has an ad saying that. They think he sincerely apologized for. Stop and Frisk which he didn't he did when it was politically expedient like what do you think of this on a national scale because your reporting takes outside of New York City quite often right. So do you notice that kind of disparity as well? Yes in the main problem is the press corps and it's racial makeup and we're covering these types of issues. Though trajectory for a national reporter like myself traditionally happens when you work at the Metro Desk. You worked at the Daily News Sarah so you know how this works and so is starting staff at the Metro Desk. You start off at City Hall or the City Council and you move up and so you build up your resume by going through those different steps and then you go into the national or the political death which which is I believe the New York Times. There's a national desert. There's a political at the same way with the Washington. Post is different and so when you get into the political desk you can go through those steps having any understanding of white supremacy of not understanding the way that Kleptocracies work. So you just so you go there without any ideological or political education that will compel you to ask the type of questions that were making into the national conversation and so that is the issue and so when you get on shows like meet the press you ha- or other Sundays morning shows. You don't have hosts that really put people like Bloomberg's feet to the fire to really ask them these types of questions and so they're not going to because most Americans are getting their news not through twitter or not through facebook. Facebook is a different animal. But they're not getting it on twitter. They're getting it on these shows where you just turn on their remote controls gathering mobile trolls. Turn the television set and there are watching. Cnn At in prime time and so it's primarily primarily the failure also to make up the press corps is more diverse than it was in two thousand sixteen. I see more people of Color on the campaign trail but the other issue is with the exception of Elizabeth Warren. For example you have to have the other candidates are challenging him to and so I see a Elizabeth Warren talking about red line talking about his racism a really robust extent but the other candidates parents not so much because they probably have their own issues to deal with if you think about it. So clo- Char Bernie Joe Biden all these people when you go back to holy seen US narrow time as prosecutors charge so it's a multi-faceted problem that is creating information gap that is not reaching these most vulnerable populations. And what do you think drives the kind of coverage that we're seeing know where we do have not only a a white male dominated media but also a media that can be bought a media economy that's been in tatters for awhile and that depends on people like Bloomberg or Jeff bezos or other billionaires to pump it up like. Where do you think the reluctance comes from a combination of all these factors of wealth and racism and just structural impediments or? Is there anything in particular that stands out? Well being a Ukraine expert where the media has largely owned by oligarchs. This makes symbolic an expert answering this question a couple of things one enoch even go back. Ukraine parts so you have some independent media outlets in Ukraine. That are pushing back against this. Oligarch bought media. So let's just say so. The thing is that in in at the fall of Soviet Union. This is more pronounced in Russia. There is in Ukraine and Russia's have been on steroids in Ukraine F- like there is some efforts to really challenge. You know to really push for independent media there too talk to a lesser extent but I mean but better than Russia but the thing is is that in both Ukraine and an America. What both populations share is a distrust and misunderstanding. What media does and so the distrust ranks? Kinda like in those professions as lawyers. You know the people who are the professionals at defend people who they know are guilty and then you have. The journalists who are seen as creating stories are not true. Just they can get that. They can get juicy headlights and so there is. There's is not a healthy relationship between media powers and the people who they want to consume their content. That's the to me. That's the number one problem because if you did have a healthier relationship you have people who will be more invested and supporting. Just think about this podcast right. Gasoline nation take about the people who are subscribing. I mean everyone who's listening. Please subscribe I mean. I am the Patriot and so getting people to support that work. That's something that matters. And so but in order to do really quality work just like me. Traveling on the road requires a lot of money and requires a lot of money that frankly a lot of independent media just does not have but in regards to in regards to the oligarch element of it. Media is one of those weird businesses where is the fourth estate but as a state strongly depends on the other dot culture. It depends on the wealth culture in order to survive and to be honest with you. It's always been that way. It's always been that way so now and you've always had political power. That's been using media in order to advance their concerns. That has not changed. I think what's changed is that it's kind of like cell phone cameras with police abuse your video recording in the case with social media we just have more information to tell us what's going on but the Bloomberg's of the world and I can't name them in the nineteen forties fifties sixties. But they were always there but also you just had a more than and more billionaires over the past thirty years or forty years and so when you see with people like vessels and Bloomberg who created his own enterprise. You START OFF IN FINANCE. Then moving onto media is that he they allow these people who saw that if I can create a media outlet that is independent because Bloomberg has won Pulitzer Prizes in the white range of national and International Awards It creates a very dangerous cocktail because we live in a capitalist society and because we live in a capitalist society that's unregulated it creates a blurred line where someone like. Bloomberg can come and use your media resources. And then there's no checks and balances for. That's that's really. That's the problem is capitalism in along with the fact that we don't know we we don't have a healthy relationship between media and the people who want to consume a Bloomberg News Bloomberg News Bloomberg News does some excellent reporting. Obviously and. It's just go back to your brilliant analogy where you basically said that all guards that tend to be on the democratic side of the spectrum in the US are like Ukrainian Olive Eric's whereas oligarchs that tend to be on the conservative side of the spectrum in the US or like Russian oligarch sir absolutely ruthless so in terms of Bloomberg it. Bloomberg News is certainly not Fox News. Excellent reporting there but what is troubling and what is very much stolid. Ukrainian style Lagarde is Bloomberg telling his news media company that they will not be reporting on his candidacy. I more or less. I don't know if that went down with Lewinsky per se but like I'll give you a comparison right so with But that's like that's bizarre. That was more authorities have a president. That's different on the press using Stalin's phrase calling calling the press. The enemy of the people. Are you know? So it's like we don't need another president. Who who is afraid of being scrutinized? But he was interesting is that no we don't but the thing is is that people don't realize that. Bloomberg is not -particularly different from trump in many ways. That's the main thing people don't understand the problem with this call for anybody. But trump is that it undermines the primary process when you're supposed to vet people who have problematic relationships with media and with money and with policy and and because you don't properly vet someone like Bloomberg or properly challenge someone Someone on their policy. And then you say okay. I think that this person may be better than trump without you know the you have someone like Bloomberg who can come in who has complete control of a major political apparatus to change the narrative. And that's what he does and that's what I'm saying. What makes them different from a Ukrainian? Is that because we have unions here because we have a we because we have a civil society here. There's a way in which Bloomberg cannot deploy a violent type of reaction or forces reporters to do anything to extreme what he directed to do political coverage of the campaign. That's one thing right you know. That's one thing. But as far as sending someone to reporters offices or doing something completely authoritarian. That's what makes it different. But what Bloomberg is doing authoritarian and the American system. That is kind of like you know you can't do something right. Because he has power because the threat. It doesn't have to be explicit right. That's the main thing with Americans a lot of money away to grassroots organizations. Every town is every town. Movement has been quite effective. It's it's an important part of the coalition in the in the in the political resistance to the fire at takeover of governments across state by state and so forth. So Y- I mean no one really wants to mess with her openly and no one wants to mess will Bloomberg openly because a million such a hiring machine that I I have friends that are like looking at Bloomberg money and thinking you know I really could I really payment mortgage but but but but see. That's the thing that's what all the guards do. And that's what makes him an American. They bite they buy your silence. Take advantage of your financial situation and they stack an oligarchy. And you're stuck you're stuck in oligarchy. And so the question for the person is that. Because I'm I'm having this conversation with black people who are supporting because there is a way because I work in black media that I can critique black people who support him in ways quite frankly white people can't out because I look at my people and Black. What the fuck is going on like look at you and have these very critical questions about stop and Frisk and bring folks to ties. But on my end I also see people see candidates who have a struggle raising money themselves when I covered the two thousand eighteen election's the midterms Iran to people at the state level and local level. Who Do the various organs of the Democratic Party in a in a in a financial structure cannot get support particularly black women now? Am I going to blame these black women and these marginalized folks who want jobs for taking the job where Bloomberg is somewhat of? It's honestly a tricky question. Because you have to ask yourself what. Part of the financial apparatus has failed a decayed to the point. Where somebody who was a person of color would go for somebody who's WHO's policies towards black people whereas disgusting as Bloomberg's and it deals with the larger issue of the failure for you know campaign finance reform. It deals with the failure of the larger organs of the Democratic Party to make entry into candidacy more equitable. And so we're talking about Bloomberg but this deals with a larger wider failure of the Democratic Apparatus in general Our discussion continues. And you can get access to that. 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Day 831: Dems call for Atty. General Barr to resign as rift with Mueller is revealed

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

47:00 min | 1 year ago

Day 831: Dems call for Atty. General Barr to resign as rift with Mueller is revealed

"The breaking news covering tonight. The latest blockbuster reporting from the Washington Post and New York Times Robert Muller is indeed unhappy with how Trump's attorney general characterized his report and said as much in a letter and over the phone the timing of tonight stories is interesting because Bill bar is hours away from appearing before Senate Judiciary. And this may explain why he's been fighting the demands of House Democrats will preview tomorrow morning's testimony here tonight. We'll also look at what it all means for individual one Bill bars boss as the eleventh hour gets underway on a consequential Tuesday night. Well, good evening. Once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, eight thirty one of the Trump administration and tonight, Robert Muller has supplied our new bombshell and this pertains to our attorney general Bill bar in plain English. It's sure seemed to a lot of people these past few weeks that Trump's new attorney general may have shaded the truth of the Muller report from the get-go may have cherry pick the facts in it. He certainly tailored his words to please, his boss, and he certainly seemed to give Donald Trump air cover plenty of it to say as Trump did loudly and proudly and incorrectly that he'd been totally vindicated. No collusion. No, obstruction and tonight. Now, we learn Robert Muller had some of those same concerns as well. Both the major newspapers relentlessly covering this story are on the. Board tonight with different versions of the same. Big story Muller was bothered by what he saw and heard enough to write a letter to bar objecting to how his twenty two months worth of work was being portrayed. The two men later spoke on the phone, and yet all the while the attorney general continued to verbally carry the president's water, the story first broke tonight in the Washington Post, notably. This comes out on the eve of bars appearance before Senate Judiciary tomorrow, the post reports Muller laid out his concerns in a letter to bar March twenty seven it was about bars four page now famous summary for congress that have been released just three days prior the post has quotes from Muller's letter. This was Muller to bar, and we quote, the summary letter the department of Justice sent to congress and released to the public late in the afternoon, March twenty four did not fully capture the context nature. And substance of this offices work and conclusions. There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the department of Justice appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations Muller. Didn't stop there. According to the post, quote, the letter from Muller to bar made a key request that bar release the four hundred forty eight page reports introductions and executive summaries and made some initial suggested suggested reductions for doing so Washington Post continues here a day after the letter was sent bar and Muller spoke by phone for about fifteen minutes. Muller said he was concerned that news coverage of the obstruction investigation was misguided and creating public misunderstandings when bar pressed him, whether he thought bars letter was inaccurate Muller said he did not. Muller's main worry was that the public was not getting an accurate understanding of the obstruction investigation. The New York Times version of the story. Reads in part, quote, a rift between the men appeared to develop in the intervening months as the special counsel wrapped up his inquiry. Mr. bar and senior Justice department officials were frustrated with how Mr. Muller ended his investigation and crafted his report, they expressed irritation that Mr. Muller fell short of his assignment by declining to make a decision about whether Mr. Trump broke the law that left Mr. bar clear, Mr. Trump without the special counsels. Backing tonight House Judiciary chairman, Jerry Nadler, democrat of New York is requesting the Justice department give his committee a copy of Muller's letter by no later than ten AM tomorrow morning earlier, just this evening house, Intel chairman, Adam Schiff and Senate Judiciary member Amy klobuchar had this to say about the attorney general. I don't think the kind of the country can have confidence in its top law enforcement official. It's hard to see how he can justify to himself continued service in that position is attorney general it's gone way out on a limb here to the point where he is not allowing the the report the foreigner forty eight page report speak for itself. And that's why we will continue to demand we hear from director Muller as well as the other witnesses well that brings us to our leadoff discussion on this Tuesday night. And there is one of the bylines on this breaking news tonight, Matt's Petoskey national security reporter for the Washington Post, notably. He also contributed to the Washington Post. Addition of the Muller report that's already in bookstores Chuck Rosenberg back with former US attorney, former senior F B I official who served as counselor to Robert Muller for a time. Notably. He is the host of our newest podcast. The oath was Chuck Rosenberg. First two episodes are now. Available featuring interviews with none other than James Komi and Pri Pera also back with us. Former US attorney Joyce Vance who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor and Philip Rucker Pulitzer prize winning White House bureau chief for the Washington Post. Good evening and welcome to you, all Matt. Take us through your reporting. The tension is so clarifying. Now, this explains a lot it also I'll say this and not you tells us that those around Muller are not above apparently, dropping something like this on the eve of the hearing. But what what if anything surprised you in the course of your reporting. Well, look, we knew that molars report was not sort of completely represented by bars four page letter that just said, you know, short shorthand would be no collusion and shrug on obstruction. We knew that Muller's report was way different than that. 'cause we can all read Muller's report. But now, we know that that Bob Muller when he saw Bill bar offer that kind of overview or summary, even though bar doesn't like to call it a summer anymore that he was really upset so upset that he memorialize in a letter in the days after he saw. Aw, Bill bars kind of own missive his displeasure with this. He said that this was like threatening public confidence in the special counsel investigation. That's a weighty thing to say, particularly weighty thing to say for somebody who you know, is a by the book guy a chain of command guy for him to object. How his boss was characterizing his work and put that down in paper. So that one day it could come out as it has today is is really remarkable. We knew that there was some displeasure about about that letter the bar letter from some members of the special counsel team. We in the New York Times had reported that before today, we didn't know that is that Robert Muller was willing to kind of sign his name to a very forceful voicing of this displeasure in a letter. And that to me, it was probably the most surprising thing about tonight spectacularly well. Put Matt before I bring in the two former feds we have in our studio here in New York. Let's listen to. This exchange from the bar hearing on the hill. Did Muller's support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusion. So as a result of that exchange. Chuck Rosenberg Senator van Holland who was on the other end of that is tonight calling for the resignation of the attorney general, it appears the attorney general did no Muller's opinion at that time. Matt stole my phrase. I was going to say Muller's three rules of operating our chain of command chairman of command chain of command. What did it take for him to write a letter like this in your view that if you had a fourth rule would probably be chain of command. It's really remarkable. Here. Here's why Brian and Joyce. We're talking about this just before the show. We're part of the same team the same family in the department of Justice. And so before you go to paper before you write a letter memorializing your views. You wanna try everything possible to make your point to win your argument to steer the policy in whatever direction, we don't like to write to one another. And so the notion of Muller not just writing but writing to his boss and contradicting him doing it in a forceful way is really something. You don't see very often. And that phrase, you feds us, most of us think memorializing means sending flowers memorialize ING is intentionally putting pen to paper or finger to keyboard to memorialize a moment or a conversation. Well, it is. And I think Chuck is absolutely right. It's not a step Muller would've taken lightly. None of us would have taken lightly being so directly confrontational and biblical boss and Muller is in essence saying here. There is you Mr. attorney general have diminished the public's confidence in DOJ's, integrity and DOJ's value to the public is its integrity. So he obviously felt very strongly Jewish. What about benefit of the doubt? We've had a number of former feds on this broadcast going back to the naming of Bill bar saying, I believe he's an 'institutionalised. I believe the good guys win and Bill bars world at the end of the day, then came things like his use of the word spying, then came his insertion of no collusion at that news conference knowing he was about to reveal a report to the public that specifically said collusion is not a thing in our world. What what about that benefit of the doubt? Now. So you know, I was in the camp that had difficulty giving it to him from the get go after reading the nineteen page memo that somehow found its way into the White House prejudging the obstruction issue, but but. I think any good faith that he deserved for many of us because of his prior service has long since of outbreak. Well before tonight, and this is just very much the nail in the coffin. So many people on the hill are now calling for his resignation, and when you think about it, whether this is technically perjury or not that's something that'll be debated. But this notion that the attorney general could be disingenuous in such important mamber matter in portraying it to the public I think is impossible to stomach drug. Shame question. So I started in a slightly different camp than Joyce high believed. He was a principled 'institutionalised. I said that that was certainly his reputation in our department. But there are things that have shaken my view, and you alluded to them, and I don't know quite what to make that you hear these discordant notes. Right. It just doesn't make sense. But the only view I can have now really is the one that Joyce just articulated. So well is undermined confidence in the mullahs report. And then by extension in the department itself. And that is deeply unfortunate. Phil rucker. I note that Rudy Giuliani is making the rounds. Phone calls with reporters, he already told reporter from CNN tonight that Muller should stop. I believe the quote was whining and complaining that won't go over. Well, among the remaining institutionalist's in Washington how what's the reaction likely to be from the president? Well, one thing Brian. With regard to the comment that Rudy Giuliani has been making about Muller whining and complaining Muller actually has not winder complained and it's actually worked to his detriment throughout this two year investigation that he's not said anything publicly he's let his work speak through the indictments and through the narrative that he has built in his four hundred forty eight page report. But you do not see him on Twitter. You do not see him at news conferences, speaking about any of this. And in fact, you do see President Trump repeatedly every day complaining and whining about the investigation. So setting that aside, I think the president's going to be upset that this letter came to light. But I think he's going to have it's going to going to reaffirm his belief that Bill bar is the attorney general he's been looking for he complained when he had Jeff Sessions, the attorney general that he wasn't tough enough defending the president that he wasn't a ROY Cohn who is the president's sort of former personal attorney and men. Tor who actually was disbarred because of his unethical conduct. But Trump now will see him Bill bar somebody who's willing to to bend the norms and to really shape public narrative and to focus on headlines and focus on public relations, which is what Trump cares most intimately about to try to make the boss look met. We had been told as part of the kind of DOJ folklore that these men Muller and bar had perhaps been guests at the weddings of each other's children that they'd had a close social relationship over several decades. So it was with surprise that people initially learned any hint of tension between the two men among your sources at DOJ. I'm imagining now that's become memorialized. And now, it's less surprising to people. They absolutely are. Or at least were friends. I think Bill Barr testified. I forget if it would. Confirmation hearing or another hearing that they were friends they were friends before the special counsel investigation, and they would be friends long after that. I think their wives or friends to they come from the same generation at the Justice department when Bill bar was the attorney general before Robert Muller was the chief of the criminal division there. We'll see if that friendship kind of stands the test of this intense political fire that's burning around them and this subject the Muller investigation and Bill bars handling of it is clearly a sticking point. I point out too that press conference that you sort of just reference where five times Bill Barr says some integration of no collusion that came after he knew about molars displeasure with the way that Bill bar was characterizing his works. So I don't think we've heard the last about the tension between these two men over the special counsel investigation is the fact that their friends that is the definition of going out on a limb for viewer number one over at the white. White House is repeated use of no collusion. Joyce. If you were Senator Vance of Alabama on the zero committee. What would your first question be? What would you want answered from Bill bar tomorrow morning? When our coverage begins will, you know, one thing that prosecutors don't like to do is ask witnesses open ended questions or questions that they don't know the answer to I understand that congress may be has a little bit more of a fact-finding mission here. But I think the important questions with bar who is very smart and very capable of dodging questions is to simply confirm the facts. So that he is Hynde down. It will be very important. I think moving forward out of this sort of mini crisis that we've seen tonight to have our commit to what happened when it happened when he spoke to molar what what he learned from Muller, and what he knew when he made these statements in his prior testimony drug won't be go a little darker. Have we just witnessed a successful campaign to sit on this report long enough to maybe advanced spin? It's details early on enough to cloud the actual findings and blunt the impact of the mullahs report. Well, it did. And it did right? I mean, the narrative was defined when Mr. bar came out and said that there was no collusion and is exonerated. And we don't believe that the evidence establishes that obstructed Justice and in order to unwind that narrative people would have to read a four hundred and forty eight page report, right carefully. And that's a hard thing to do. And so even a head start of five minutes. Bryant accomplishes that goal that. In fact, was his goal. I still have this. Hope it wasn't nefarious. But as I mentioned earlier, I think that has really faded Phil Rucker, let me play for you. What is being said? As of the nine PM hour eastern time on network across the street from us here in New York City. No collusion. No obstruction no conspiracy. But the radical left the media mob desperately breathlessly continue to pursue a fraudulent hoax. And if that doesn't work. Well, we see what their plan B is. You've got people like Nadler and shift and they wanna get on Trump. Now, the going after some type of of conspiracy theory financial crime. Phil Rucker in the military. They called they call it close air support that is what close air support looks like. And I guess we'll see more of that. But that was the summation of the reporting tonight of your newspaper in the New York Times. Brian that came from one of the president's friends, and informal advisers, Sean Hannity, and I imagine we're going to hear that same line that same narrative coming from a number of other hosts on FOX, you know, look, they're trying to speak to the president's base and air joining the president in creating sort of their own reality about this report. They're not looking at the four hundred forty eight page report, which does detail extensively ten examples of that were reviewed for obstruction of Justice, and instead pointing to no collusion. No obstruction, which is what Bill bar the attorney general said in that four-page letter that is now we learn thanks to max good reporting was seriously questioned by by the special counsel. And so look, I think the president's gonna continue to spin this the way he has. And he's going to get a lot of air cover on FOX and elsewhere, the conservative media as well as frankly by. Republicans in congress, and in the Senate who were probably going to hear from the judiciary committee tomorrow, including possibly chairman Lindsey Graham, I really can't think our front four enough for adding door understanding on a big night Matt's up hausky, Chuck Rosenberg. Joyce Vance to Phil Rucker. Thank you all for coming on and coming up. Our next guest has broken news tonight that Robert Muller wants to testify, but bars DOJ is getting in the way will that still hold plus tomorrow's bar testimony may become one of those mandatory live TV viewing moments. We'll get a preview of that. And later as bar and Muller battle it out. A look at a fringe player watch closely VR US government for real good reasons who plays a key role in the Miller report. We're just getting started on a busy Tuesday night. Hi, it's Katy Tur wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the NBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Reports have emerged recently general that members of the special counsels team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March twenty four th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the reports findings do you know what they're referencing with that. No, I don't and of course, right there. According to tonight's breaking news. The attorney general did know about Robert Muller's frustration over time as the New York Times pointed out Bill bars assessment of Muller's investigation seem to change they pointed this exchange with bar during his confirmation hearing back in January. Do you believe Mr. Muller would be involved in a witch hunt against anybody? I don't I don't believe Mr. Muller would would be involved in a witch hunt. Well, those comments now stand in sharp contrast to what bar would go on to say this month. You believe that the in this case in that mode. Direct Muller undertook was a witch hunt or a legal as Minnesota by the president. As I said. During my confirmation. It really depends on where you're sitting. If you are somebody who is being falsely accused of something, you would tend to view the investigation, and you're sitting you would not be alone for asking what's going on here. And with us for more to people who know thing too because they've seen a thing or to this area. Sam Stein politics editor for the Daily Beast and Katie Benner Justice department reporter for the New York Times. So Sam talk about your reporting tonight. What is or was Muller prepared to say? What was Justice trying to do to him? If anything to prevent him from testifying so are reporting a little bit limited on that first front what we know is that Muller had given indications to people on the hill that he was ready to testify about his report. We don't know if it was going to be public testimony private testimony or the length contours of what kind of hearing it could be but the indications were given. And then subsequently what we were reporting. Tim is that the department of Justice has dragged its feet on scheduling such a hearing our testimony, citing the fact that special counsel Robert Muller continues to be an employee of the Justice department. And so there is a mounting sense of frustration on the hill that the star witness the little author of the mother report can't be brought up yet to answer questions even as. There is mounting misinformation. Confusion with what is actually portrayed in his report and how he Mr. mole related and related to attorney general bar second question. Sam can anyone prevent Robert fill in the blank Muller home. Marine combat captain and the Vietnam war from testifying before congress. So that is a good question. I'm not a lawyer. And also, Mr. mother will not remain a employee of the Justice department for ever. So the likelihood that he will testify before congress is exceedingly high. It's just a question of how much tension will there be between the administration in when it happens in what he's allowed to say. And whether or not he ends up just taking matters into his own hands. But I believe that tonight's episode in which it was strategically. I believe let out there that he was dissatisfied with Bill bar summary of his findings really reflects a sense of frustration. Not just from Democrats, but from people on Muller's team that he has had to watched other people talk about what he's produced and been silent himself. And then you get the sense that that will soon change Katie I'm going to play an exchange with bar at the hearing about the letter he wrote, and then I'm going to ask you when we come back. What makes it notable here? It is. The letter of the twenty fourth. Mr. mothers team did not play a role in drafting that document, although we offered him the opportunity to review it before we sent it out, and he declined that. So Katie why is that notable knowing what we know tonight. Sure, it becomes part of a pattern for Bill Barr of not lying per se. But orienting extraordinarily important details such that the public is misled and narrative hardens, so when he said that the Muller team didn't want to see the draft of the four page letter in that in large part that was to make people feel confident than Bob Muller had confidence in him that they trusted his judgment. And that there were no objections to that four page letter. What we discover tonight, thanks to reporting. As in fact, there were objections to the letter, and he knew that at the time that he gave the testimony and yet just mid that inconvenient. Fact, we've seen it happen again. And again, even in his response to the reporting about this letter and Muller's discontent. Bob Muller said the. Words, the content the nature of the characterization is off and bars responses, but he didn't technically say that I was looking like he didn't technically say that I was inaccurate. So he's relying on a very very narrow point in order to try to ignore the larger issue and we've seen this again. And again, soon what people are reacting to impart his confirmation hearing the portrait he painted for himself was a guy who had really been looking forward to go to Florida or wherever enjoying retirement. He mentioned his AG introduced his family. The portrait being painted tonight is of a cagey inside bare knuckle, political operator and pro-trump attorney general who is playing an audience of one despite having the United States as a client one is tomorrow's hearing going to be like you think three of those Democrats are candidates for president. It's going to be messy. It's going to be emotional. People are going to be upset with what is a consistent misrepresentation of information that he had soul or near sole possession of and highly sensitive public information that point too. And so yeah, I expect it to be very contentious. And I do expect Bill bar to mount a defense. That is essentially quibbling with words saying I didn't miss. I didn't misrepresenting thing. It was none. None of this was inaccurate. It's just they were worried about the public or trail that seems to be the defense that his team has for shattered tonight. But yeah, Brian, you're absolutely right. One of the re keeping mind the context of the confirmation hearing was deep concern over the interim appointment amount Whitaker the possibility that a true Trump ally. Someone who's a sycophant will be put in this position. And basically end the probe and Bill barg. It's put out there. Presented as someone who actually could land the plane to borrow a phrase and do so admirably, and what we've found out is that every step along the way he has made a choice that has been highly controversial if not downright misleading and he's going to have to answer for that tomorrow. So Katie how do we now think about Thursday democratic controlled house of representatives judiciary committee? Everyone's acting like staff have never asked questions before. Of course. It's been a tradition. Ask Fred Thompson. Sam dash who made their bones at the Watergate hearings as staff counsel. So do you think I guess this calls for an opinion, we will see bar before House Judiciary on Thursday share? I love to address that question. I mean, Jerry Nadler's gambit was we're going to force bar to do something that could also set a precedent. So we can continue to use house counsel in questions going forward around the Mola report. Now now there can do that. And he can fight it and he can subpoena bar embarking not show up on Thursday. But in doing so chairman Nadler would lose an extraordinary opportunity to press bar in the moment when he is at a disadvantage when public opinion is turning against him and would Nadler what have a rhetorical advantage. So to lose the opportunity could be huge. And so does not really want to make the calculation and going to subpoena and fight this. And then maybe asking questions about this matter weeks or months from now when people aren't paying attention or don't care. I think there is a chance that he could see now they're changed course. And I think that he could use the breaking news tonight and say, you know, what the situation has changed. It is essential that we get him before the committee right now in a timely fashion. And in addition to what Sam. Was saying about how messy it's going to be. We also need to step back and take a look at what bar represented, not just in terms of integrity and restoration integrity that apartment he represents a sort of a turning point in the course of the presidency. We have a president President Trump who is changing what it means to be present in the United States he's busting through norms. And right now, it looks like he has an attorney general is inclined to help him do that. And that you know, it's out as the case we could be in for a very long two years and the office of the presidency itself could be completely transformed by the time. We get to twenty twenty. Wow. Well, there's a reason people look for and read these two by lines are thanks to these two very thoughtful journalists Sam Stein and Katie Benner. Thank you both for coming on again on this consequential Tuesday night coming up for us. Donald Trump wants named him as a top foreign policy adviser to the campaign that man still wants to meet Donald Trump. We go deep inside the Muller report with new reporting from. Our series called uncovered when we come back. Carter page HD that man Carter page PHD is back in the news. Need a Kumar of politico reports that even after getting caught up in this whole Russia investigation Carter page is still eager to meet President Trump. And we quote after hearing that Trump reached out last week to another former campaign adviser, Michael computer, following the conclusion of special counsel, Robert Muller's investigation page said he had not heard from Trump said he would like to talk to him in a series of reports were calling uncovered where we dig into parts of the mullahs report that haven't yet received wide media coverage tonight, we cover Trump campaign advisor Carter page. The Muller report says page had previously lived in and worked in Russia and had been approached by Russian intelligence officer several years before he volunteered for the Trump campaign. The report. Reads quote, during his time with the campaign page, advocated pro Russia, foreign policy positions and traveled to Moscow in his personal capacity. Russian intelligence officials had formed relationships with page in oh eight and twenty thirteen and Russian officials may have focused on page in twenty sixteen because of his affiliation with the campaign. However, the investigation did not establish that page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the twenty sixteen presidential election back with us tonight. The aforementioned Anita Kumar one of our regulars White House correspondent and associate editor for politico, and we have talked Chuck Rosenberg into sticking around Anita. I had to write down some of this to remember to ask you, how is it that Carter page Donald Trump? Haven't met is Carter page out of jeopardy. If you ask him, and what might he? You want from the sitting president? Well, if you ask him he is out of jeopardy he feels vindicated much like President Trump. He was recently on Capitol Hill sort of doing victory lap. It's very interesting that he says he has not met Donald Trump. He has said this before and he said this also to me just in the last couple of days. This is a man who worked for the campaign. He worked in Trump Tower in New York, he also had a business venture where he says the building was attached to Trump Tower by an atrium. So but in all that time he and President Trump never met at all. Of course, the president also worked in Trump Tower. This was surprising. But he has said it before and he says he's looking forward to the day that he can meet the president after he gets out of out of office trick Rosenberg's so much of this refers to your former beat here's a guy, swimming and Russians as is his right. He lived in Russia as was his right? It gives our government collide. Skopje reasons to light him up and watch what he's doing you have detailed how difficult it is of the reporting to the country to get a Fiso report. Let me ask you about that. And in your view, should he be walking around thinking he's out of jeopardy. The man has nothing to celebrate. The report seven pages of it are dedicated to him. That's never a good thing, by the way. Right. You don't wanna be mentioned in that report? All it found is you are ticketed was that there was not evidence to establish that he had coordinated or conspired with the Russian government to interfere in the twenty sixteen election didn't say anything else other than detail new seven pages series of contacts with Russian intelligence officers. Dating back to at least two thousand eight there were four five warrants. I three or four five warrants of foreign intelligence surveillance act warrants issued by the FIS a court to surveilled him, according to reporting that means and this is really important Brian. It was probable cause to believe as authorized by federal judge that Carter page was an agent of a foreign power which farm power Russia. That's not a good thing. And that is not an exoneration. And there's nothing for him. To celebrate. You've told me that FIS an applications are as thick as your wrist. That's right. And they go through a very careful process between lawyers. Department of Justice in the FBI and between agents before they're certified by the director of the FBI before they're signed off by the attorney general of the United States before they're appointed. I'm sorry before they are presented to a federal court judge for authorisation. And so the process has caricatured by certain people is so deeply unfair to that process. It's excruciatingly careful, and when I worked for Bob Muller, one of my jobs was to review a FIS award or every FIS warrant each morning before he certified. Anita. Trump got his attorney general who was willing to call this spying? How can Carter page perhaps still be of help to the boss Donald Trump? Oh, I think he will. Because as we've seen President Trump is campaigning on this mall report. Now, saying obviously, saying he's vindicated, but more importantly, saying this was all it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Right. He shouldn't have been investigated. There were surveillance going on alluding to this right? That it was all illegal shouldn't have been done unwarranted. Whatever word you want to use. And so he's going to be campaigning on this literally for his reelection. He's talking about it. He's trying to get public opinion on his side to sort of go with what he's been saying the last two years, which is there's so many people in this country. Democrats the media mainstream media that are against him the deep state this kind of. Goes into that. And he's using this as a way to say, I was right all these people are against me, and I have one and I'm going to be okay. And so just look what I've come up against. And so he's going to be talking about this your Valence, as you know, he's asked for the attorney general to go and investigate the situation. And how this happened trick Rosenberg just casually mentioned that for a time. He was the one who brought finds a cases to Bob Muller. It's more evidence of the fact that Chuck is among our most learned and experienced guests on this broadcast and at this network. And now you have a podcast of your own. I want to know what your goals are have a long plane flight coming up, and I will be current by the weekend. Thank you. First of all forgiving me chance to talk about the goal. Brian was to talk to fascinating people friends and colleagues of mine over the years about their lives in the department of Justice and the FBI and bring viewers in. And so they can sit with me and ask the questions would've wanted to ask and get the answers. They would've wanted to hear. We talk about hard to things we talk about dilemmas and problems and how we try to resolve them how it's more art than science how fallible than that. We make mistakes. But what we try to get it. Right. And we call it the oath because we take an oath not to a particular person or party or president of the constitution of the United States. And my guess as I did have all taken that of so far pre Perot and James Komi. And those are just the first two episodes veteran journalist, Anita Kumar veteran fed and brand new podcast Chuck Rosenberg our thanks for joining us again on the broadcast tonight and coming up his modest book received giant attention because of its twenty simple rules to avoid tyranny tonight. We will ask the author how Trump is doing where those rules are concern. Turned when we come back. Was just an ounce. There was no collusion with Russia. The most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It was no collusion with Russia. It was no obstruction. And none whatsoever. And it was a complete and total exoneration. That was our president today. The attorney general release that four page summary letter. That's what lead Muller to write about the public confusion. That was being let loose affective that moment, of course, as we've been reporting. The report did not declare total exoneration. Our next guest writes in his book on tyranny, and we quote you submit to tyranny when you renounce the difference between what you want to hear. And what is actually the case? And so we welcome back to the broadcast. Timothy Snyder Yale University. Professor professor Snyder was actually a Marshall scholar educated. In the Ivy league an Oxford, specializing in Europe on the holocaust. He happens to be the author of two books of note in this area. The first we just mentioned on tyranny twenty lessons from the twentieth century the second the road too. Unfreedom Russia Europe America and professor from the distance of Austria, you've been listening to our broadcast tonight. Just the news we're covering tonight. How do you believe it fits into the thesis? Well, unfortunately, it fits extremely well the foundation of Russian foreign policy towards us and towards everyone is to try to get rid of factuality as such to turn everyone into people have opinions to turn politics into a matter of spectacle. We are now in the middle of that we have a president and the turn general who are lying about an underlying reality. The underlying reality is that Russia in two thousand sixteen carry out a comprehensive campaign as shown in the report and elsewhere to get Mr. Trump elected that is the underlying factual reality. What we are seeing is an attempt to turn underlying facts, not just into spin but into fiction. This isn't just a problem because the facts are so important. It's a problem because facts themselves are the basis for rule of law state. And so your your coverage tonight about a crisis in department of Justice. Is a crisis about a crisis in the rule of law. It's about the kind of country that the United States will be. I I saw you in an interview with Bill Maher that stopped me in my tracks. And that very night you talked about as one of your points. The importance of listening for dangerous words with that in mind. Listen to this from our president, we'll discuss on the other side. They tried for a coup didn't work out. So well, and I didn't need a gun for that one. They were really cool that sorted long before Muller. This was a coup. This was at attempted overthrow of the United States. Government just was a coup. This wasn't stealing information from an office in the Watergate apartments, this is it attempted coup. Professor, no one needs remind you that that word while powerful as also a term of art in geopolitics, how does that fit in your list of rules? Well, by by saying by using that word coup by suggesting that the other side has already carried out a coup or tried to carry out a coup. Mr. Trump is doing is saying that I would be within my rights. If I also did something extraordinary. So he's trying to move politics from something normal into a place, where states have exception Khuda talent. So on would be would be thinkable. And of course, he's already blamed the other side. Although in fact, what has happened is that he himself as the Miller report says has been the beneficiary of very strange intervention in American politics by foreign power normalization comes through repetition. Does it not? And is that what we're seeing with no obstruction? No collusion. Total. Vindication. Yeah. That's right out of the middle of the authoritarian playbook. It's everything we know from George Orwell and all these smart commentators of twentieth century to talibanism, you repeat something which you know, is simple, and which you know, is wrong over and over again in the hope that as if he had a machete, you could clear out all of the underbrush of the facts. The underbrush of the facts indicate that there was a campaign in two thousand sixteen to elect Mr. Trump that it came from Russia that Mr. Trump and his campaign knew about it that they supported it. They expected it to help him. Those are the facts repeating these things over and over again as an attempt to make people feel comfortable in a reality. Which should make us highly uncomfortable, the need to speak to you was urgent. And we appreciate the fact that you are with us at five fifty four in the morning in Vienna. Austria, professor comeback anytime. It's a pleasure to have you as always. Again, the professors latest book is the road to unfreedom Russia Europe America prior to that the book is on tyranny. Our thanks when we come back. We'll explain how it is that three Democrats running for president are going to encounter this president's attorney general tomorrow. As mister Jefferson listens. The last thing before we go tonight as a quick reminder of what we're going to witness tomorrow, we will all be back in this studio. Tomorrow morning for our live coverage of what in normal times would be a perfectly ordinary Senate committee hearing, but nothing about tomorrow nothing about our times is normal attorney general Bill bar is going to testify before the Senate Judiciary committee tomorrow. Here's a reminder. Here are the players I the Democrats on the left there. But also, the Republicans we last saw this group during bars confirmation, we we saw them during the Cavanaugh confirmation note among the Democrats, they include three presidential candidates Clova shar Booker and Harris now, we know that Muller objected to how bar sold his report his work of twenty two months now that it's. Clear bar has been choosing his words to please his boss. No collusion. Tomorrow. Just became very important. We're going to treat it as such all be here with Nicole Wallace. And assorted former feds, including Chuck Rosenberg Joyce, Vance who were here with us tonight. And we begin all that right after morning, Joe, we will cover everything as it happens throughout the day. And of course, we'll see you right back here at the same time tomorrow evening for now that is our broadcast for this Tuesday night. Thank you. So very much for being here with us. Good night from NBC news headquarters here in New York. Hi, it's Lawrence O'Donnell. If you love MSNBC where your heart on your sleeve, you can gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from the last word and all of your favorite MSNBC shows you can shop now at MSNBC store dot com.

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OA275: Yes, Bill Barr Perjured Himself

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OA275: Yes, Bill Barr Perjured Himself

"The fans invariably guilty. Chicken salad on Brill's bond to be guilty of been to lure show. What's searching, the constitutions in breach. There is no one section just the vibe of things. Objection your honor what leading the witness. Brequet bullets lawyers. Welcome to opening arguments. The podcast that pairs inquisitive interviewer with the real life. Lawyer this podcast is sponsored by the law offices of p Andrew Torres LLC for entertainment purposes, is not intended as legal advice does not form attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from podcast. Hello. And welcome to opening arguments. This episode two hundred seventy five what a good number. I you know, what is the last episode? That's a good. You know, it maybe I should discuss this with Andrew before making these decisions, you know, what the heck I feel like you'll agree state. Stay tuned for solo arguments new podcast for mandatory. Right. Everybody's fantasies. Okay. How's it going? Andrew. It is killing fantastic. How are you? Permanently enraged is that a that? You're not. I'm definitely that. Because I don't use off. But fair thing to be Donald Trump's hype man was testified before congress. I don't know. If you saw it was interesting. I don't know why they got to do that. But I guess you get you get like one free hype. Man testimony is present is that how it works it in. You know, we have talked about this a lot. We're gonna talk about this allotted this episode. I think I hashtag it victory lap on on Twitter. I have never seen a public official embarrass himself. As thoroughly as as William boarded did did yesterday. It was just a performance that again, you know, you've got to step outside the shirts and skins. I I I like I like the way you put it on your SIM episode, and and briefly on here, which was a screen. Teaming fit about you know, Obama's attorney general meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac of of you know, out side of Air Force One for eighteen seconds versus Bill Barr who has obliterated the light. Right. Like you. You have to explain to people now to to Trump supporters that the attorney general is not the president. I wear. Here's somebody literally the attorney general in the. Ten the name. He's not the attorney president attorney for the president. Yeah. No that that's absolutely right. And it's an embarrassment. And you know, you you and I differ on this. I think but I it I think Bill bars career is done. I think there's gonna be consequences. I think he's going to resign. I think he's going to be forced out. I think it's I think that's that's gonna built and good luck. You'll have fun in that reality Andrews in some other dream world. That's fun. So that must be nice, but over here on planet earth where there's no adults left. I'm I'm thinking, I mean, the only way I think he would possibly be done is if they decide like his mission is over like, he's. You've done your duty. You may now retaliating like he's a undercover agent, and then he just gets to explode the the process of Justice and then leave like just walk away. Like a like a suicide bomber almost but one that gets away with it that kind of thing. The opposite of that. And not. I think it's just bombs. I guess the suicide part is his career's over. But like he did the job. He did what he needed to do. So that's that's the only way I see him leaving. But I don't think there's enough adults left. You know, because the Republicans had a hearing about why Hillary was not investigated more in also who's going to investigate the investigators investigate the investigators of the estimators. That's what they're hearing was. So all right, but we'll get all to to that and more. I am excited that you know, it sounds like you definitely think bar embarrassing himself. And I can't wait to hear an actual sober opinion. Based on what the position attorney general used to be you know, and talk about it from that angle and I'm excited for that historical trip down memory lane. But we'll see what the real world holds for us. I we need to make a couple of nouncement. We are going to do the patriot QNA it is time again, it's gonna be may as the memes. All say, it is may and that'll be this Sunday. That's the fifth at six PM eastern three PM Pacific time. So that's when we'll do the live Q and A as a reminder because those are the only two time zones that matter if you fly over country, this is a liberal elite assed snob show, you can figure out when it I mean, we it's really at any time if you incorporate all time zone. So it said every single time at that. We could tell I have not yet seen avengers and game. But we can tell you've seen a movie involving gay time a time traveling space wizard recently, so. So that just reminded that's on YouTube. Everybody can come watch. You can come in the chat and participate, but only our patrons get to ask the questions on patriot dot com slash law. That is that thread, I think is already up right because Andrews incredibly posting that and if not it'll be up as we speak that threat is only it's up it's out because Andrew never forgets, and you can ask questions there and also make sure to up both the questions that you like our heart them, I guess is the patriot lingo for that. And that way, it tells us like which questions you guys would most prefer to be answered. Because inevitably we do not have enough time to answer them all or even half of them because Andrew cannot do lightning rounds. Just I promised to do at least one lightning round on the next cue and a zoo. Lander can't turn left without turning all the way, right leg. It's that for lightning rounds for injuries. Like, yeah. I can do a lighting around. And then he talks for an hour. And you're like that you called it a lightning round. But it wasn't fast that that zoo Lander comparison is dead on. And and I have three of those suits in my closet. All right. Well, so that's we are going to try to we're actually gonna put off a lot of movies for a little bit. Because the problem is we've got too much stuff at the end of the month and one of us, I'm gonna tell you one of us is actually a real lawyer who has to do business. He stuff at the end of the beginnings of the month. And it's been adding up too much for that person. Again, it could be me could be could be anyone on the show. And I think having the lot off movies be more in the middle of the month will be will be better for schedule availability. So we'll also be nice to break it up so loud, the QNA will leave it where it is kind of right around the end of the month or the very beginning of the next month. And then the lot awful movies will be more toward the middle. And we'll we'll make sure that that doesn't leak toward the end of the he'll actually catch up and lap the Q. And you know, we'll make sure to stay consistent. So look for a lot of movies in a week or two at our lot awful movies is like me in gym class running like, you're on lap number. Three. And. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, let's I was not a fast kid little. I was not. I was smaller than I am now. But it's still out still not speedy. That's okay. We'll we'll get. We'll get to when we get to it. And we've got to start this episode. People wanna dying to know all the things you think about the bar testimony. But first, we've got some quick Andrews was rights and wrongs us. So we've got my favorite Andrew was wrong ever. Which if you follow us on Twitter at open are not open arcs follows on Twitter. You would have seen this someone a amazing listener. Well, do you have this ready to go to you have acute up? Yeah. I do go to it is listener, Chris least famous rock, which by the way, that's an a plus Twitter name to at Mougel at Google Google at Mughal mogul, Chris did a great Andrew was wrong where 'cause Andrew said that the you like. The supreme court the fulcrum gets moved to the right Rio. Once once Scalia died and was replaced and all that are now. I guess it would be when Kennedy sorry when Kennedy retired. I think you were talking about in that move the fulcrum to the right, and then our physics friend. Chris Druce, a very helpful diagram official physics diagram. Go ahead and do you want to describe it? Yeah. So here's Chris point. Which is a dull for anybody. Who's taken physics in the past? However, slightly longer than it's been for me to have taken physics last the center of gravity of the court has shifted to the when that happens, the fulcrum switches to the left which like that's how fulcrum 's work or the lever is there, and there's just more weight on the right or left. But it depends on how you're talking about. But if you move the fulcrum to the right it actually makes the whole thing shift left. I think is the point. So so I guess someone left, but it's sort of like saying, oh, that's below par. You know that that was subpar. It's like, wait. That's good. It's sort of like that where if you say now, it has the wrong. Meaning if I if you were to say, oh, he moved the focus left. I think everyone would think the wrong thing. So I'm going to kind of defend you on this. However, the picture is hilarious. And I love it. It's the best injury was wrong. He Troy he drew up before. And after on the supreme court and look like you have to go, right? So I will include the link in the show notes. You should follow us on Twitter. You should follow muga mogul. And you should definitely check out the graphic. But but I was wrong. I should have said center of gravity. I said are you from those are not synonyms. There you go. That's we want to be physically accurate on the absolutely. All right. And then I guess we have another. I don't know if you're right or wrong. You don't have it listed here. So you'll just have to tell us veto, please answer. The question does the defense case hold water and drill is wrong. Are you? Sure. This is another thing I was wrong about. So that's probably why don't ever list it episode two seventy three which I really really enjoy it. We got some good good feedback on the storytelling of the the decline and and and assisted murder of Sears. Yeah. But in that I was talking about how after the K mart merger the new team came in and under eddy's directions sold off all of Sears is assets. And in my defense, the graph in the complaint was mislabeled along the Ying's, right? So the units were wrong, and what I said was combining both the narrative in the graph. That Sears went from eleven billion dollars in assets at the time of the takeover to four hundred thousand today and. At stupid, goalie Twitter, our buddy, Chris wrote to say, I it can't be four hundred thousand right. Like, it's it's it's Sears. They have to have more than four hundred thousand dollars and assets. That's like, you know, a an above average income in New York City, right? Yeah. And and and look that didn't trip my writer because it's entirely possible. That Sears, you know, all of the things that. Desperate. Yeah. Right. That you know, that that everything like on the shelves is depreciated, you know, that that the stores are now all leased so so that didn't strike me as impossible. But in fact, the axes were mislabeled they were labeled in millions. But they should have been labeled in billions. In four hundred thousand billion. I know no it the the little tics were labeled in millions and should have been able to be in the billions. And so it looked like it was, you know, four tenths of the way up to one million and it's four tenths of the way up to go yet. So Sears has four hundred million dollars in assets. Look that is still write a sell off of ninety seven percent of their assets in ten years. Right. It is the point is still made. But but no, they did not go from eleven billion two to four hundred thousand and that correct wonder splits hairs better William Barr when defending Trump or Andrew when talking about an Andrew with non just kidding. I'm. Slander. I shouldn't have I thought it was funny. Like the comparison of you defending your Andrews writes in Ron's like, no. A wrapping with the word asset and I had food poisoning over the weekend. So like, I've been violently sick to my stomach, and I don't know what hurt more way I felt this weekend or punch to the gut that I just I was just kidding Joe. All you know, what it was. It was a desire for a puzzle. A thunderstorm sketch is what it was. I want them to write a sketch where like you're defense. You're splitting hairs and defending. All right. You got one more. I think and this was this was Andrew was right. Yeah. So this goes back to episode to seventy two we responded to a listener question, a listener who wanted to defend Glenn Greenwald and also pointed us in the direction of a Byron York article in the Washington Examiner that said no that that bit about Trump trying to soften up the language in the GOP platform. I'm related to Russia and Ukraine that that that's all been debunked and only Glenn Greenwald had the courage to point that out. So we thoroughly debunked that debunking in two seventy two I will point out. Boy, this is not a good week to be Glenn Greenwald. Who said, you know, I can't believe MSNBC has gotten away with you know, suggesting that Bill bar lied about the contents of the Muller. Fino Glenn Greenwald. I'm sure he's come out with a heartfelt apology. Stay he doesn't lend was wrong segment, right constantly, so. Constantly. So I just want to point out in addition to all of the evidence that we put forth in episode two seventy two I went back and checked the molar report because the Muller report itself talks about there's a subsection on events at the Republican national convention, and Jay Dee Gordon who was a senior campaign adviser on policy in national security, testified to Muller's investigators. Right. So they have his testimony as to what actually happened. Here's how the Muller report summarizes it. I and again, we should point out. Just how narrow this is. It says the investigation did not establish that one campaign officials efforts to dilute a portion of the Republican party platform on providing assistance to Ukraine were undertaken at the behest of candidate Trump or Russia. And that is based on Gordon's testimony that being said if you go this is page, one twenty four of volume one, the Muller report in detail explains that in preparation for the twenty sixteen convention foreign policy advisers to the Trump campaign working with the R N C reviewed the twenty twelve conventions foreign policy platform to identified divergence between the earlier platform and candidate trumps positions. And then unambiguous statement the campaign team disgust toning down language from the twenty twelve platform that identified Russia as the country's number one threat. Given the candidates belief that there needed to be better US relations with Russia. That's from Gordon's testimony the RNC platform committee sent the twenty sixteen draft. So that that was not even the scandal that that occurred and this platfo. Mhm was drafted differently than you know, we told you in twenty twelve right Mitt Romney was right and Barack Obama owed him an apology right that identified Russia's the number one foreign policy threat right off the bat. Trump's Trump's team came in and said, we're not going to say that anymore. And then one twenty five describes the process exactly as we described it on an episode to seventy two and the person who flagged Denman's amendment was JD Gort, a member of the Trump campaign team. So we now know exactly what happened, and it is as close to accurate as you can get right. So it it even goes kind of a step before. Right. Like, I said, if the original Washington Post headline had just had the word historical in it. There would be no argument. I mean now, I I'm not sure that it even needs that right? Like, the the Trump team came in looked at twenty twelve and said, you know, we're going to be different from twenty twelve we're gonna be softer on Russia. And and the the Muller investigation has said now, look we can't prove that's because they got a giant sack of money and Intel from the Russians, but by the way, they got Intel from the Russians and maybe giant sack bunny? We don't know I those are not hard dots to connect. So there we go not giving up on the story. This administration is soft on Russia. That is an objective. Fact this administration has taken numerous policy positions to weaken the United States with respect to Russia. And as we talk about in the bar hearing, it is a Pauling the degree to which now to become a Trump defender. You have to not care about the security of the nation vis-a-vis a hostile foreign power. But I. Guess that's where Trump defenders are these days. And your the optimistic one thinks there's gonna be consequences for bar after after you just say, you know, well. Was to believe yet. There we go. Okay. We'll get to get to bought with. Let's finally everybody. We're going to get to the main subject today, which is the bar testimony. I just want to check with something. So by way of introduction. What I learned from watching this testimony is Andrew I believe it's illegal to tamper with investigation. Yeah. That's called obstruction with Justice unless you pinky swear that it's a witch hunt. And then you it's fine game on right? Is that that's what I gather from from bar. It bars answers were nonsensical have resulted in the most vociferiously pro-trump circles. Right. The institutional defenders the sycophants and flax on Fox News. And and folks who right for the national review to retreat to this argument. Okay. And and this is a near direct quote that I have seen on Fox News and written in the national review. And that is well, you know, sure Bill bar probably shouldn't have written that ridiculous memo. But like everybody's got the full Muller report now. So what does it matter that that is literally the positions that they have been forced to retreat to because it because bars actions are indefensible and and look. There's an easy way to determine whether bars actions are are indefensible, and that is just looked to see if all of a sudden now you're Cathy is a big fan of Bill bar, right? The guy with the mega hat, and the, you know pickup truck with the decal of Donald Trump peeing on liberals, which by the way is parked down the street from my house got it is I'm not I'm not that is not a disparagement of pickup truck owners describing an actual pickup truck at my neighborhood. That makes me vomit every time. I jog by. If it had a lot of vomiting lately decide side now look into that. Okay. On the Eli Bosnich diet. No, look, the fact that those guys are now out on Twitter, Bill are greatest attorney general tells you everything you need to know. Right tells you that bar is a flag waving hat wearing member of the team. Now, that's not the job of the attorney general, and and again, right there are folks who out of self-interest do not want that to be the job of the attorney general there are Republicans who care about that. I I have to believe now. Lindsey Graham, right? Like, I agree with that not not the Trump hijacked wing of the party. But, but, but this is you know, it's an embarrassment. So yeah. So one of the questions is whether or not bar perjured himself by giving this kind of inaccurate answer. Now once this letter was leaked this molar. Let. Her which I'm sure you're going to talk about it kind of put lie to some of bars previous testimony when he said something along the lines that he didn't know whether or not Muller agreed with a summary that kind of thing. So I wanna wanna hear all about that from your angle whether or not he perjured himself, if I were to take a guess, it would be that. Because you can never prove without a doubt that he said in his heart forty five times in a row, I want to perjure myself, and then Roni mail saying I would like to perjure myself, and then send it to everybody like unless you have that level of intent evidence I've learned as you can never prove this. But what do you think too pessimistic? I think you're too pessimistic. So I'm gonna say this Bill bar perjured himself and poli moly. Yeah. It it's it's odd to me. I'm gonna link right? Because I know what you're talking about. I'm gonna Lincoln example, right from the New York magazine. But there are lots of sources on the left that I think are sort of weirdly. Like buying into kinda the Greenwald narrative allow L, you know, since there don't seem to be any consequences for anything. You know? Let's get law professors and say, well, this is probably perjury. But who knows it's super hard to poll on hold. Okay. This is not a. This is an opening arguments that this is like the bribery bribery. Hold on. Sorry. Like, the rivalry laws that you know, are nothing like you cannot you have to prove like intent to an insane degree this. This is I'm getting this from opening arguments history. Like there was I think back during the cavenaugh hearings. I think it was where we talked about the possibility of someone of him having perjured himself in it sounded if I remember, right? It seems like the bar is set pretty high. But now, I'm very curious to hear us zagging when I thought you were going to zig, so let's hear it. So so look as a as kind of a top line matter. Right. If you wanna get on a lawyer or law, professor to say, hey, it's really really hard to prove perjury. And it's really really hard to prove specific intent that that's all true. Right. Like that that you can you can say. That. And that's what a lot of these articles are saying, right? So for example, you know, the, the New York magazine piece is entitled Bill bar didn't commit perjury, but still misled congress, right? And and I'm just using this one is example, I've read a dozen articles that yeah. That that come to the same the come to the same conclusion. Here's what I think. They're not getting right? That is look. It is it is certainly the case that it is difficult to prove that a statement is false. But here's the statement that is false. Okay. During so bar. I testified as as any general regarding the the mullahs report to congress on April ninth and tenth on April tenth, my Senator, Maryland, Senator Chris van Holland asked bar if Muller supported the four page summary letter that he disseminated and bars answer was I don't know whether Bob Muller supported my conclusion. Now. Let sidebar for a minute and talk about how hard it is to prove. We've talked about how the standard in perjury is to give him a vase of answer one. That is literally true but not responsive, right? Yeah. Gaulish with right. Yeah. With that woman. Well, you know, I did have sex with the woman outside of wedlock, right? Like, and and you don't answer the question and a bad lawyers like, okay? Well, now, I'm gonna move on. Right. And and what the supreme court has said is that the onus is on the lawyer to ask the question the right way. Right. And that's how people get out of perjury. They don't answer the question. And then when called upon to answer the question, they give an evasive answer until you give up. There's there's a couple of examples of that. Right. Like when we talk about the specific testimony. We talk about comma Harris, for example, at at the very beginning. Right. Like bar sort of wriggles his way out of of Kama Harris asking whether anybody in the administration suggested that they open up an investigation and eventually because she's only got five minutes. She sort of gets, you know. She's gotten all she's gonna get and she gives up and moves on which which is fine. That's an example of being evasive and not answering. But the I don't know I think people are used to. I don't recall, right. As a as an evasive answer. But but notice this is a specific question. Right. Do you know if Bob Muller supports your decision answer? I do not know, right? Right. That is an affirmative assertion of fact. Right. I I do not know now what we now have is documentary evidence that in fact, he did know that Bob Muller did not support his decision. You can't say I don't know when somebody has written you a letter. Yeah. We now have a letter dated March twenty seventh from Bob Muller to Bill bar, and it recites the following facts. I it says, hey, look, you know, we prepared summaries for you that could be released to the public that clearly don't violate rule federal criminal procedure sixty they don't contain grain jury test. There. Don't concern about reductions you could release these to the public. We asked you to released to the public. And then here's this paragraph three here's what it says. As we stated in our meeting of March fifth and reiterated to the department early in the afternoon of March twenty fourth that's right before that is Sunday immediately before bar releases letter. Yeah, the introductions and executive summaries of our two volume report accurately summarized this office working conclusions. Then it says, and at this is the unambiguous part the summary letter that department sent to congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March twenty fourth did not fully capture the context, nature and. Substance of this offices work and conclusions. We communicated that concern to the department on the morning of March twenty fifth. So look, and I could you know, this whole letter is only page an couple of lines the only in the show notes, you should read it if you haven't already. There is no way know if intent means anything, right? And and and again, our argument on the show has not been intent means there's not a crime. It means in tempings, it's tough. But when somebody communicates to you three weeks before you do it immediately before you do it immediately after you do it. And then the two days after that, it is really really hard for you to step up on the stand and go. Yeah. I have no idea. I do not know if he supports my conclusion, you did know that and to me that is unambiguous we autumn everybody. It's over. I I I really really do look like as we know through all of this, right? Like, remember, how you felt the first two days after bars letter came out regarding the Muller report, the I we came on here. And and told you that letter was deliberately misleading and hang on the narrative is going to change. And and the narrative changed when the evidence came out. It was even worse than we could have possibly thought. I it I think like I am tempted. The show notes may be Bill Barr show title may be Bill bar maybe out of a job by the time. You get this. I believe that. I look I'm not, and I don't think he will be out of a job by the time this this show drops. But I do think that we are headed to a critical juncture, I who is the mysterious deity that you think is going to make this happen. Like, I get that on substance. It sounds. I totally agree. Like, I it was never a doubt that he actually totally lied and stuff. I just thought it was going to be some, you know, weasel words that get him out of it. But like even putting that aside and saying, okay, it's not he's can't weasels way out of this. He definitely perjured himself who is the person that's going to make some consequences happen because I that frankly, I don't see that in our world anymore. So what how does that work? Yeah. Let's process depends. So I I'm glad you asked step one. We get a letter from God that says this right? Like what it depends on somebody who is independent of Trump? Right. So so here's what needs to be. And I'm going to talk about a positive sign from the hearing that that I'm curious about your commentary on it. It needs to be the opposite of Lindsey Graham, right? Like, we're we're all watching what Lindsey Graham is doing. Here is somebody who called Trump a Kook and unfit to be president in two thousand sixteen right? And is now turned into Trump's fullest deepest throated defender. And and the reason for that is stunningly obvious, right? Lindsey Graham is standing for re-election in South Carolina in twenty twenty and he estimates that his likelihood of losing a primary to a. Stronger. Trump supporter is greater than his likelihood of losing a general election to a democrat. So he's become a howler monkey turned into the mouth of sarin. I get it. Yeah. Yep. Exactly. Right. So who's good who's good AMT tie, Lindsey Graham, right? Well, we already talked about Mitt Romney on on the Senate Judiciary committee a really really good candidate. And somebody who asked really good questions. The only Republican who asked was Ben Sasse from Nebraska. Right. And again, Ben Sasse is in no danger of losing his job. Right. Ben Sasse is no liberal. He's no friend of the show. But I believe right watching and listening to his questions. Right. I believe Ben's as who also is on the Senate intelligence committee that he's. Concerned about an atmosphere in which in order to be a Trump supporter. You now have to say, you know, I'm being hostile foreign powers bankrolled by billions of dollars are going to hijack our elections. Like what you going to do about it? Right. And SAS asked the question right of Bill bar. He said what imagine he said, I won't clarity here. If if China is hacking elections, right? Can a foreign government pay to have Democratic Party operatives on its payroll? And and what was not right. And he did not let that right? And and bars answer was like everything Barr says unbelievably evasive, right? Like bars answer, I went I get the transcript on this one. Because I wanted to make sure I I was recording it accurately bar said. Well, it depends upon the specific. Circumstances. The nature of the agreement who the person is representing are they representing the interests of foreign government. Are they foreign agent? It's a slippery area. This is not a slippery area. Right. I and and you could see in SAS troubled by that answer. Right. Ben Sasse turned and said, look, I want clarity. I'm this is when he said, I'm on the intelligence committee. We know there will be efforts to disrupt our elections in twenty twenty and I want to know I want the the nation's highest law enforcement official to to give directives to campaigns as to what they can. And can't do. So that we're not in this place and bar wouldn't do it. And I don't know if they collaborated I don't know if Koons changed his line of questioning, but he was followed by Chris coons from Delaware who who picked up on exactly that line of questioning and said, look what if North Korea offers a presidential candidate dirt. On a competitor in twenty twenty. Do you agree with me that that candidate should immediately contact the FBI and again bar gave a bar answer? Right. He says, well, you know, if if a foreign intelligence service does yes, right? Which is of course, exactly. The kind of hairline distinction you need to make in order to defend the Trump Tower. But isn't that not even true because the law is just a a doesn't the law doesn't say they have to be foreign intelligence? Does it? That you are one hundred percent like so a it is not a correct statement of the law the law. We've we've been through this dozen times, right? The relevant campaign law says that it's a violation of the election law for any party to solicit or receive or you know, in any way, anything of value from a foreign person party government agent. It's it's bilateral. It is similarly violation of the law for foreign agent to offer or attempt to offer anything of value to any campaign. Right. Like, the campaign laws unsurprisingly are super clear. Right. Foreign governments don't get to meddle in our elections. And and so a, you know, you have the attorney general summarizing the law incorrectly. That's kind of troubling. And and be you know, you have. The position where he's summarizing the law incorrectly and giving these hairline distinctions right in order to exonerate the Trump Tower meeting, right? And and you can see Ben Sasse going luck. If China wants to give Liz Warren, you know, dirt on Donald Trump in twenty twenty. I don't want her to get that. Right. And I don't want her to get like, he's I want there to be a bright line rule that says American political campaigns can't get assistance or offers of assistance from four it from ASTA foreign powers, and you know, what there is a bright line were whole it's called the election laws. And so really what that means is I want you to be consistent about how our election laws to be enforced, and the fact that Bill bar, isn't right. The fact that you have to be in that position in order to defend Trump like this is just one of the many tensions, right? And and look maybe it mattered, right? Maybe it matters. Nothing. Maybe it goes to the mad and bar sticks around and he's a laughing stock and Republican senators privately try and get the White House to dismiss him. And and it goes nowhere bars. Already said he's not going to testify today did not shift to testify just didn't show where the house I just didn't show. Just nounce are not going to appear before the house because I'm scared of it. And and look that the the house can seek contempt. They can get a bench warrant for his arrest. The the attorney general is not the president. There is no that it does not pose the same kinds of problems that you know, that trying to compel the testimony of the president does. And you know, there's a little bit of a game of chicken they're going on. And right now. Bar is sort of feeling like, you know, he's driving the more aggressive tractor. But I love that is the best seen in all of American cinema. I fight me on this. The the tractor chicken sequence from fort Lewis seen in American settle. I hadn't seen this. Anyway, we need to we need it entire episode on that. I'm sorry. But okay. So there's there's this tractor chicken going on. And you know, it's it's slow and it's going to be but I think bar will swerve. So that. Yeah. Definitely put the prediction down. Opening arguments is brought to you by hymns. Listen, folks, it can be embarrassing to go to the doctor for certain stuff. Sometimes I may just is because you gotta go in there, and I felt a form, and then the nurse Alaska about the stuff you just wrote. Oh, it's about a hair loss, be it sexual wellness. Oh, okay. And then they have clarify. 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And it was we should never stop doing Andrews was rights on that. Because you nailed it. However, the idea that Ben Sasse is going to come to our rescue and like slam the cuffs on barn. Get him at like, I just don't I don't understand the process by which this happens. Like, I get he might even send a Romney tweet. That's like very concerned. That's that's all I see happening. I'm concerned about some of the things going on cool. You're concerned. Awesome. That's what will happen same same as Romney. But so. There's our predictions. We can feel free to Wicky team feel free to hold us to these. I want to be held to it. I think Bill bar is done. I do not think you can continue in the job of attorney general when every Republican privately knows that you're a laughing stock and ever Republican privately knows that Trump is a laughingstock. Yeah. I agree. But but the president is not going to resign. The president can't be replaced with you know, some other flunky like a Bill bar, Ken and. Yeah. And and I think he will be Pence anyway. Yeah. No, I disagree. Okay. What else do you wanna talk about regarding bar? There's there's a lot. I was really impressed with commonly Harris's questions. I know you mentioned it already, but just the Cy DEA that she said has any has anybody in the White House as the president or anyone the White House recommended an investigation, or or you know, that kind of thing. And then I like how bar spent a few minutes trying to avoid it for you know, trying to split here. Oh, what's what's recommend was? That mean or what was the word? He he homed in just suggested. Yes, I'm stuck on the word suggested. And then she's just like, okay, cool. How about hinted did you gave him every synonym in the book just to get an answer? And then he went. I love it cared enough to travel. I'm trying to get a precise definition here on this word, and then he's like. Just made like a walrus noise. And then she's like, so. Well, he's he looks like a walrus in a video game who's gonna give I don't know. Like you're gonna help his glasses. I don't that's what he looks like to me anyway. And then he just he just decides he's just like kids video game. You know, like you're gonna help this walrus fight pollution or something. I don't know. That's what he looks like. Any just gives like a wise. And then she's like is that a yes, walrus or? No. And he's like, I don't care what who's gonna make me do anything. And she's like, you're right. I can't no one can make you anyone do anything now. And then he's like, okay, then and then it was over. I. I know. So yes, I. Official hitter physicians. Yes. To all of that. Yes. Watching Bill bar testifies like playing the water level in an in any you know, any s game from the nineteen nineties. I'm with you on that one in terms of frustration. And and you know, every time every five minutes, you gotta go back to the beginning. And there's like pointless obstacles being put in your path and things that are I love someone said something effective. Like, isn't it amazing that whenever Kamala Harris starts talking? Nobody can understand her. And hearing like this all the sudden it's what oh louder. Oh, oh, what's this word? Like all of a sudden magically just she's just incomprehensible. Yeah. She's she's we've talked about this before it in in particular. She came on my radar at the Jeff session confirmation hearings at a time in which. You know, my my position was boy, lots of senators use this time to grandstand, and you know, sort of make political points, but ask stupid questions, and she does the opposite. Right. Like, she asks very very pointed questions and doesn't give up until and again, this sort of illustrates the the weakness of the, you know, five minute at a time approach, right? Like, I she also kinda knows when like, okay, I got I gotta go now. Right. And and bar, you know, as as we pointed out, I mean, he he wriggles off the hook of the suggested question at the end, right? She, you know, he's like, I guess, I don't know. And she's like, okay. So your your answer is I don't know moving. Yeah. You don't know if someone in the White House suggested that you do an investigation that how how do you not know that and somebody just be like, so are you an idiot. The kids cannot be a follow up question. Oh. Question. Are you a more on that? Like, you just don't even know do, you know, what human sounds are do, you know, like? Am I wrong goes another note that this goes back to the reason you don't have to ask that question is goes back to what I said at the very beginning of the of the segment, right? I don't know is a definitive answer in in legal terms. Right. So saying if you get the proof later on yes, we won't get look again. It's really really hard to to prove perjury. But yeah, if there's an Email out there, if there's somebody who's willing to testify like, yeah. You know, Jerry. And we know Trump does not use use emails. Jared Kushner uses Email, right? I've talked to government employees who've said, yeah, we get we get emails from unsecured phone. That's like on still on his a separate. Yeah. It's you know, he's definitely still on his parents Verizon plan and using Kush sixty nine at AOL dot com. But. Got a little like logo down at the bottom. It. It's it. I mean. Greer's into my parents on limited data plan. I'm not leaving. Yeah. I've six well. I guess that makes sense that that she accepted the, I don't know. Well, Rasoun doesn't answer. So that later that can be like pleased play back the lawless noises. He made in this particular question answer. And I wanna I wanna compliment comma, Harris again in the sense that. Has anybody who listens to the show knows? I would be terrible in a five minute question. Yes. Origin of that. Who decides that why is it five minutes again because so that's just set by the Senate rules, and it's because in in general, these are not meant to be, you know, prosecutorial proceedings. The the house has already said or they've already said that they are considering when bar does testify using the cavenaugh, you know, delegate all of time. Why he's so scared. Absolutely. It is right. Because that's that's the only way to get anything done in a in a legal setting is to have, you know, two uninterrupted hours as as a block of time because you lay the foundational question. Then you EMMY, we we talked about this at great length when we were breaking down the the Alex Jones deposition, right Yele the foundational questions. You ask them. Open ended stuff you pin them down on a question. And then you show the contradiction. Right. It's the only way you can possibly get anything useful out of questioning somebody who's a lawyer. Right. And so obviously, you know, you there's no such thing as a as a as a legal. Gotcha question. Right. Like that is the, you know make way for a series of surprise witnesses each surprising than the last. Right. Like, there's no magic bullet. There's just kind of doing the hard work in laying the foundation, and you know, and so right. I mean, look at the reason we were able to lead this off with here's where bar definitely perjured himself was because Kris van Allen esta very specific question with a specific answer. And and you know wasn't. Didn't ask a question that allowed you to give, you know, an evasive, or in my opinion, kind of response, or you know, like contrast that with the responses that bar gave on you know? Well, so would any campaign candidate, you know, would any campaign have to turn over information got from a hostile foreign power? Well, if it came from a foreign intelligence service, right? Well, you know, that's classic. How you evade perjury. Non-answer answer. So so yes, my advice to members of the Senate Judiciary committee to anybody in congress who gets to ask a question of a hostile witness is ask a specific question that calls for a specific answer. Right. Yes. Or no eve the better. And and don't settle for anything other than an answer to that question. When you hear clarifiers ask the question be like, okay. I get that you said before what about an ask it without the clarifier. And you know, that's that's good. Good cross examination technique. Yeah. All in all. I mean, this is just like I said the meeting the show permanently enraged at this. Because it's it's watching the two realities. It's the weirdest thing. You know, you did it wasn't always this way. You're you're slightly older than I am was this. How it always was where you have a hearing and two sides. Dhs compete to have their reality. Be the reality. Like what it's era reminds me like when you're a kid, and you do the thing with your siblings. Like you pretend they're they're invisible. And you can't hear them. You know, like, oh do does anyone know where Thomas's whereas Tom it's like, that's what the Republicans do for their time. And you're like, no, I'm look, I know the fat like, for example, for example, Lindsey Graham off the bat says well Muller left, the decision to bar well as to whether or not to to build our weather's whether or not to charge Trump or whatever it's like, no he's specifically didn't like there's no am. I nuts. So one side can just make a new reality. And then the other side has to try to be like, no, this the reality is this is that how it always was it it absolutely was not always this way. And look the clearest proof that it was not always this way is in a sort of mini controv-. Versi in the democratic primary field right now the way in which Joe Biden conducted himself in the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. Right. It was the norm in which Joe Biden attacked and attempted to discredit Anita hill in favor of the Republican. Setting that up as the alternative like this the good old days. The never I'm not saying that that's obviously, right? I I've used the language indicate like I didn't support what Biden did at the time. And and I don't you know, I don't support it now. But but what I'm telling you you want. I've I've long talked about Bob Dole taking to the Senate floor to break the Jesse Helms filibuster on Martin Luther King day. Right. Like it. I wanted to come up with I wanna come up with an additional piece of evidence. But but no, right. It it. It was not like this the blame for this is in two components. It begins in the nineteen nineties with Newt Gingrich being elected to congress, and then ascending to the speakership. Newt Gingrich taught a class on literally taught a class on messaging on how to oppose president. Entin? And then a generation of idiots grew up listening to the Newt Gingrich class and then implemented that full scale with the Mitch McConnell. We are going to destroy the Obama presidency. We are going to prevent him from having any meaningful accomplishments. And now that's where we are. And it it. I'm sure we will get folks writing in you know, what about 'isms I it. I'm I am very confident on this assessment that while while partisanship has been with us since the eighteenth century, the the idea that you have competing world views that are, you know, artificially constructed reality is very very new. So no, it wasn't always like this. And yes, we have to find some way to get back to where we were. Back when congress could pass laws, but but we're not there. Oh can can. I do thirty seconds on rule sixty. Yeah. Thirty seconds. Sure. Thirty seconds everybody. Yeah. Such timers. Yep. Start the timers. I don't wanna leave without talking about Bill bars opening statement, which is everything you would expect from Bill bar, which is to say there's nothing in there that is perjury question, Mark. But there is everything in there that is ridiculously misleading. The key. Takeaway, the thing you need to know is that Barr says over and over again that that the primary reason he is not released. The unredacted report is grand jury information the disclosure of which is prohibited by federal rule of criminal procedure six e even congress has not received the unredacted the full unredacted Muller report, including the quote, six immaterial. I I want to tell you I will link rule. Sixty in the show notes, you you can read it rule. Six e sub three has exceptions. And the exceptions say that disclosure of grand jury matter may be made to an attorney for government for use in performing that attorney's duty to any government personnel, including those of St. state subdivision Indian tribe or foreign government than an attorney for the government considers necessary to assist in performing that attorney's duty to enforce federal criminal law or any person authorized by statute, it it further provides that you may petition the court to disclose grand jury material. So if Bill Barr were remotely, honest, if he were remotely interested in getting an unredacted copied, a congress he could have gone to any court. You could have gone to DC file. All day motion to release redacted material to to release unredacted material that would otherwise be subject to rule sixty and every court on the planet would have granted him that that request. He did not do. So there are numerous exceptions. This is a. It's as close to ally as you can get which is kind of we need to define that. That's what a bar is right. Something that is as close to ally as you can possibly XM you start this off with saying he actually did perjure himself. So it's not not in this opening statement. He did not perjure himself in that one. Boy, did is there, you know. And if we had a two hour show, I had a long I'm gonna have to cut pages had pages of by notes here. I had a long fiscally of this opening statement because it's just it is high octane nonsense. But, but that's the takeaway wants to know, if if you have maga- hat wearing friends out there who were so, you know, grand jury sixty tell them to read sixty and yeah. Who would Andrew the world you live in love it? Tell Trump supporters about six e. Yeah, everybody tell them to read that that that. That's how that goes say, look, what have you're saying that this material that can't be disclosed under rule sixty the federal criminal procedure. Have you read rule sixty? They don't even get that far. They just say which hunt and total exoneration. There's nothing now they don't even clan anyway. Okay. In Andrews world, everyone is smarter. And I do a like that. And I appreciate that about you that that's the world you live in the world for building. It's not it's not the world. I live in. But that's okay. That's yeah. I li-. I appreciate your your optimism as always. But Wicky team definitely write down those predictions that. I can be right. Andrew can be wrong. I mean, I'm rooting for you don't get me wrong. I'm rooting for you to be right. The bar will face some consequences. But I don't really think that's going to have an okay it is time to thank our. Patrons over a patriot dot com slash law. Our top patrons are hall of famers and reminder, patrons get those questions in for the QNA. That's happening Sunday on remind you again Sunday at six AM eastern. 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Let's I like like if I'm going down in flames of taking everyone around me with me. I didn't did I make Monica Miller. Choose the esteemed lawyer who has argued in front of the supreme court, Monica Miller, choose the wrong answer. No. I did not. Or if I did then I'm amazing. How I made a lawyer who argue in front of the supreme court shoes the wrong answer. Either way looks good for me. So I was happy with last week. Let's see see what we can do this week. Oh, no, social this firm has ever failed the bar exam kidding. All right. Well from the land of food poisoning. I bring you a gross food themed law question. So you you eat six meals a day at McDonald's. This ought to be right up your alley. So here we go. A consumer became physically ill after drinking part of a bottle of soda. The contained a large decomposed snow. The consumer sued the store from which he had bought the soda to recover damages for her injuries. Yeah. The parties agreed that the snail had been put into the bottle during the bottling process over which the store had no control the parties. Also agreed that the snail would have been visible in the bottle before the consumer opened will the consumer be likely to prevail in an action against the store. So totally straightforward question here or your potentially answers, a no because the consumer could have seen the snail in the bottle before she drank out of it. Be no because the store was not responsible for the bottling process. See, yes. Because the consumer was injured by defective product sold to her by the store or d yes. Because the store had exclusive control over the bottle before selling it to the consumer. Wow. This seems hard actually not sure what I mean. There's there are many different plausible answers for this one for me because it's trying to say, oh, this nail would have been visible. So does that mean, you know, like if you drink something that obviously, you should notice his tainted? But you know, but but also the store could have seen it then. But also the store didn't do the bottling. This is a tough one. I see a lot. Okay. Let's just go through the answer. A no because the consumer could have seen the snail in the bottle before she drank out of it. You know? I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's not that. Because I don't think that it would be required that the consumer have that level of like awareness of the I'm just gonna say that that's not going be it, you know, like, maybe for all we know maybe the consumer was seeing impaired or you know, like didn't have their glasses on like, I don't think that should be what gets them out of being liable. I'm gonna I'm gonna go. No on a. Be no because the store was not responsible for the bottling process. I could see that being the answer. I'll leave that one in their see. Yes. Because the consumer was injured by defective product sold to her by the store that seems like the most straightforward one. I gotta leave that in their D. Yes. Because the store had exclusive control over the bottle before selling it to the consumer that that that's the kind of answer that sounds like, okay. They're bringing in the legal terminology from what I'm supposed to remember from law school exclusive control over the bottle before selling to the consumer. So will that be the better? Yes answer. So. Well, okay. Now that I reread the question, I think I was interpreting d- different way. Because I think the fact that question says the parties agreed that the snail had been put into the bottle during the bottling process over which the store had no control. I think that's that's probably means that yes. Because the store exclusive control over the bottle before selling it to the consumer. I was saying that to mean like they they had control of it for a time. But now, they think about it. I think that's contradictory. So I'll go ahead and eliminate d that's gonna be a could be some weird thing where it's right, but between BSE so be no because the sore is not responsible for the bottling or see. Yes. Because the consumer was injured by defective products still sold to buy the store. I don't know. 'cause I could see this going either way. I mean, if you give if you're a vendor, and you give a st- or like, you're a manufacturer rather something, and you give a product to be sold in stores and the products. Has like sealed, you know. And there's no reason for the store like what if what if it's a sealed bottle of Tylenol, but it was tainted in the, you know, in the Tylenol factory or something, you know, I don't is the store liable at it almost doesn't seem like they should be. However, does the fact that this should have been visible. Does that? I mean, I feel like the store would be liable. 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Special Edition: The Mueller Report and the Barr Letter

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Special Edition: The Mueller Report and the Barr Letter

"I'm Benjamin witness, and this is the law fair podcasts special edition emergency addition, March twenty fifth two thousand nineteen you know, why we're here today. People started on Friday when Bob Muller declared himself finished and delivered his final report to attorney general Bill bar Bill bar on Sunday delivered himself of a four page summary of that report a summary as to its quote principal findings on quote. Excuse me. That summary raises a lot of questions it also answers a lot of questions, or at least some and it has provoked cries of vindication from the president and his defenders a lot of head scratching. So we are here to evaluate it. All I'm here in the new jungle studio with Susan Hennessy and carry Cordeiro and on the line from a remote location is David Chris everybody, welcome back. So carry get us started. How do you read what Bill Barr did and did not do? So I I think it's useful to stay from the outset that we have not yet seen the special counsel's report. And what the attorney general released on Sunday afternoon was a very brief summary of very high level conclusions. And it was only on two parts of the investigation significant parts. But if we look at the based on what we know of the special counsels work over two years, which included many different aspects of an investigation and prosecutions of multiple entities and people what the attorney general put in his letter only pertained to two of those and those two are the issues that would have most directly affected the president the issue of collusion. Or as the attorney general is excuse me, as the special counsels theory of it was conspiracy that was the legal theory and obstruction, and I think on the my initial take is that on the. Collusion or conspiracy piece? I always thought that it would be a high bar to reach to be able to establish that Americans were part of knowing participants in and reach a criminal prosecution. Standard that they were participants in the Russian intelligence activity. I think to retake prosecutive standard is a would have been required substantial evidence on obstruction. I don't think I'm alone in saying that the most surprising element of the attorney general's letter was that the special counsel did not make a recommendation as to whether the evidence on obstruction would have met a prosecution standard or would have satisfied criminal elements of obstruction. And instead, holy appears to have holy deferred to the attorney general in that. But. But we haven't seen the report. And so right now, we're only relying on what the attorney general put in his letter. All right. So let's let's deal with the collusion side of this first, and then come back to the obstruction side because I think the obstruction side is significantly more complicated, and actually is complicated. By the fact that there's more information, and so we we're we we have the benefit of relative ignorance with respect to collusion. So let's indulge in the ignorance for a minute. David when Bob when Bill Barr says that Bob Muller says that he could not find a pro a case of conspiracy of any American associated with the Trump campaign to assist the Russians in the electoral interference. Do you? You how close in your mind is that to the president's no collusion or conversely is it merely saying there is not adequate evidence to prove a criminal case here. How how much vindication does who get to claim from this? So the the president, of course, described that report in terms that are just plain vanilla faults. He said it was a totally Ghana ration- when the report itself even as described by bar, go that of its way to say something quite different from that that it is not an exoneration. And it is in a way a measure of how far we've come as the country that nobody even blinks at the president's very blatant mischaracterization, and that it is reported widely. But what the report did find with respect to the conspiracy prom as opposed to the obstruction prong is quote. The investigation did not establish a conspiracy or other agreement on election and appearance between members of the campaign and the Russian government. Well investigation did not establish. Could mean we looked at the evidence, and we found virtually no evidence of an agreement or conspiracy. But it also. Could mean we found substantial evidence, but not enough evidence to return an indictment and under the newly renamed Justice manual. Prosecutors. You know, do not return indictments unless they believe that the admissible evidence is able to allow them to obtain and sustain a conviction on proof beyond reasonable doubt. So, you know, just to give you a sense of the room that is left by bars description here, it could be anything from outright, and total innocence and a complete lack of evidence of any agreement or cooperation between the two sides Trump campaign and the Russian government or it could be as strong as proof by clear and convincing evidence enough to get you a verdict in a civil trial, but not quite by proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't see any way to know what that investigation did not establish phrase really means at this point. And we're going to have to wait and see. To see what you know in culpa, Tori, or derogatory evidence smaller sites, and and why he thinks it falls short of indict ability. Susan I on the one hand, I say. Bill bars. Very smart guy. He knows that much of this report is going to become public. He would be deranged to give raw to allow for a top line summary that is going to be dramatically contradicted as a narrative matter if not as a technical legal matter when the body of the report becomes public that is if to go back to David's description, if Bob Muller's actual finding were was while we found clear and convincing evidence of the worst forms of collusion, comma, we could not we did not establish that a conspiracy had taken place within the meaning of the law. He would be quite crazy to issue a letter that describes that report the way he did on the other hand, I am aware of. Enough highly disparaging material in the public record, for example, the Trump Tower meeting that I continue to scratch my head and say what kind of you know, what kind of reasonable. Vindication. Should we assume this may mean when you think of the range of possibility here, you know, lopping off the extreme ends of it? We find that the president was actually never engaged with Russians at all. He was delivering flowers to children and talking about the importance of the rule of law through the entire period on the one hand versus we came within a hair's breadth of proof beyond a reasonable doubt on all fronts, and we merely didn't bring a case because you know, the the evidence had been you know, was tainted by. Some difficulty where do you think the realistic range of possibilities here? Well to start I would say, I don't think Bill bar would be at all drain JD to write a summary letter. That was factually accurate and yet painted an altogether far rosier picture for the president. Then the underlying material of the report painted. I actually think that is a relatively shrewd move on his part both in terms of potentially sort of paving the way for for this report coming out and also in in terms of giving the president favorable headlines knowing that people were going to inevitably quibble over sort of the the underlying report. So as a as a threshold matter, I don't. The premise. I don't buy the premise. I'm not saying that to presume bad faith on bars part. I think that he probably is offering what he believes to be a reasonable summary. But I think that there are strong incentives for him to be as favourable as possible to the president. And so, you know, I like, David light. Carey said we have to see the underlying report before we can do sort of a meaningful analysis of what it means in part because the delta is so incredibly huge. So it's huge on the metric that David was referring to in the sense of is there no evidence than they looked everywhere. And they really couldn't find any indication of US persons participating in this at all. Or is it just barely squeaks below the threshold of sort of indictable behavior, or is it something in between or whenever Muller? Whenever bar is describing the the conspiracy that Muller did find which was a conspiracy that existed on the Russian side. He says that they found two major elements of that conspiracy. This sort of IRA propaganda trolling operation. And then the GRU hacking and distribution of emails they're quite specific in saying they didn't find any US person who assisted or conspired in those efforts. They don't say anything else about lots of other contexts that we've at least heard reported may have happened. And so what what are you thinking of when you for example, the entire all of the reporting relating to the Trump organization's ongoing negotiations with the Russian government regarding the construction of Trump Tower Moscow now that's not part of collusion. Right or or sort of the central inquiry. That's really really relevant to what the president and his campaign and associates were doing and communicating and participating in with respect to the Russian government does nothing to do or at least is not directly related to these two efforts. So again, I think that there's a possibility, and we have to allow for it with an open mind that this report is really good. For the president. That actually know the answer is they looked everywhere. There's they really didn't find evidence. Yeah. Maybe there was some, you know, imprudent conduct even things that people might sort of Wagga finger up, but just we didn't get within a country mile of anything. That's a moment consider criminal. I think that's a live possibility a genuine one. But I think just as live a possibility is the idea that either we're talking about conduct that just falls short of criminality. Or we're talking about a presentation of conduct that is not directly related to a criminal conspiracy. But is nevertheless, highly relevant to the basic fitness of the president of the United States and a highly relevant to one representations. He major the American public at the time into how we should view his efforts to interfere with influence. I I don't know how I don't know what word to use. Without sort of getting all the way up to obstruction. You know, the the investigation after the fact into that conduct. And so just that's all a long way of saying. I think the the delta here is so massive we have to see the report, and I really don't think we can conclude all that much from bars language other than that. It's quite vague. And it leaves open a wide range of possibilities. And also it is probably not factually false on its face. All right. So I want to bring in a guest who we don't actually have in in the room or remotely, which is a hybrid personality that I'm creating of the president's defender slash mixed with Glenn Greenwald mixed with maybe rich Lowry, the national review editor who was tweeting similar things the other day, all of whom are saying, basically that all the people like us have a lot to answer for right now. Because we've been you know, hyping fair Reuss for two years we've been insisting that there's a big deal here. And that we've kind of built up as a sort of hallmark of of you know, the. The president's supposed illegitimacy. This idea that he was in fact, colluding with Russia and we've insisted on the importance of the Muller investigation. And we've insisted in this, of course, in different ways applies to all of us. I suppose we've insisted that he was a threat to the integrity of the Mueller investigation. And now the Muller investigation has in fact played out to its full conclusion, and it has not substantiated the premise and so as as Glenn Greenwald. I noticed a particular tweet storm of his on this. You know, was sort of pounding the table that this is basically, you know, all of us were wildly spectacularly wrong. And so this is sort of a moment of accountability for us. So carrie. I I have my own view of this. But I'm I'm interested in in in yours. Are do you feel in any way that the findings of the Mahler investigation on collusion are a rebuke to you or anything that you believe? No because there was so much activity that took place in public for everyone to see that as a former national government national security lawyer as a former counter intelligence lawyer was so unbelievably bizarre to witness probably the primary example was the president's summer twenty sixteen statement Russia, are you listening and calling on a hostile foreign nation to release emails of a political opponent. That was so bizarre from a now. Security standpoint. And then all the ensuing lies that came out of the administration for nearly every contact with Russian government or Russian surrogates over a period of the campaign and into the presidency itself that could have been so easily explained if the the Trump campaign and Trump administration would've would've explained it. And so there was an remains an enormous amount of information that still hasn't been explained regarding the president and the campaign and his administration's interactions with Russian government and Russian surrogates. I wrote on law fair in December of twenty seventeen that the Muller investigation. The special counsel report was not going to be like a truth commission that it was. Not going to explain everything all the way. And so I don't think that the fact that the special counsel did not find evidence to support that the president and his team were engaged in a criminal conspiracy to negate all of the information that has been in our face for over two years. So let me push you on that a little bit. I actually agree with you completely. But I want to but I want to ventilate it a little bit. If the Muller finding substantively in that range of possibility that we were talking about is wildly on the sculpture, Tori side that I that there's nothing. There's no substantial information that isn't already public. It's just a series of random reckless comments by people a series of people who took meetings who shouldn't have taken meetings prof cut out professor who meets with an adviser to the campaign Carter page being Carter page if you take all of that. There's nothing more than any of that on Paul Manafort being a money launderer. You look at this fact pattern that presented publicly as a somebody who did national security investigations in the Justice department, and you say no way, this doesn't get investigated. It was worthy of investigation. And let's not forget that the special counsel was appointed to begin with because the president fired the chief investigator who was running that counter intelligence investigation. And then he said on television for everyone to see that at least part of the reason he fired that individual was because of the Russia investigation. So I understand the argument. And and I have friends in town who would probably argue that who are more sympathetic to the administration who would probably argue that they were just wildly incompetent as opposed to. To corrupt or malfeasance or or or criminal. But the lack of explanation and the continual lying is I think what certainly justified the investigation. Okay, david. I you know, you are also have a background in national security investigations. Do you agree with that? Is there any way? This fact pattern that presented to the F B I and eventually to the to what became the Mahler investigation. Is there any way in any conceivable universe that that does not get taken very seriously and investigated very seriously? No, I think it's important to second-guessed oneself frequently even if it's painful like reading your own transcripts of trials, and it's important to adjust to the fact that the facts come out and learn from them, and if people were hyping the results or front running the results of Muller investigation. Okay. But the investigation here was not just clearly justified. I said before a different podcast on luster. Given the fact that we're presented the bureau had no choice, but to pursue it. It would have been dereliction of duty to ignore it. And write it off as mere incompetence or assume that everything was in its upfront. I and the president's behavior during the course of the investigation was likewise completely outside the range of historical norms and practices for presidents who respect the independence. Of investigation and law enforcement. So I I'm with Kerry, you know, I think it is important, you know, not to just be completely result-oriented and start tweaking analysis to you know, she desired results, but I don't really have much out of any kind. Whether this investigation was justified or indeed unavoidable and whether the president's behavior both in advance and then while it was going on with out of bounds. So Susan, I want to this is a great segue to the question of the the aspect of this investigation that bars letter does not address it all which is the counterintelligence dimensions of the investigation, y you know. The collusion prong of this letter addresses whether there was a criminal conspiracy. But we know from the New York Times is reporting that when this investigation opened including open at the time of the firing against Jim Komi against the president. It was opened partly as a criminal matter on instruction, but partly as a counterintelligence matter. And so my question is is there any indication in the bar letter. What happened to those counterintelligence equities? I think the short answer to that is no right there are that is one of the pretty significant holes apparently NBC is now reporting that there's the FBI is going to brief the gang of eight as to the counter intelligence findings to quibble with the premise a little bit rubber Muller did find a criminal conspiracy. He indicted, many many individuals perfect to a criminal conspiracy. He didn't find US persons who participated, and that's that's relevant to the counterintelligence piece because it offered a really really rich accounting of the nature of the counterintelligence threat and those indictments themselves served as unimportant deterrent function moving forward. I also think it's worth keeping in mind. The amount of information that was made public either through sort of the the special counsel's office kind of speaking indictments and through media reports which is highly relevant to sort of core counterintelligence questions ordinarily whenever we're talking about a counterintelligence investigation. We're not necessarily talking about someone being the witting agent of a foreign power were talking about in appropriate illicit and potentially dangerous foreign influence, and so I do think that finding out the full nature of the Russian conspiracy is is important as a defensive counterintelligence matter. I do think finding out the nature of the president's engagements and business business associations. The degree of context. His advisors were having. Undisclosed contact with Russian individuals. I do think it was. An urgent national security threat that the sitting national security adviser had had a conversation prior to coming into the White House in which he offered to or made representations of the incoming administration was gonna lift sanctions. And then lied about it. So the FBI that is a counterintelligence threat, and by exposing that information, and we've had many discussions about the the sort of the the effects of leaking and the consequences of that the way it which was exposed that itself is one way to respond to really serious threats. And so on that metric alone lots and lots of continued unanswered questions. But also, I think lots of basics success stories and an a pretty compelling example of why counterintelligence investigations are important in the first ones, I want to close this part of the discussion with one piece of evidence in the Bar Lev. Letter that there is actually evidence of some degree of collusion. If not evidence that constitutes a indictable case of conspiracy. And that is the following sentence. The special counsel issued more than twenty eight hundred subpoenas executed nearly five hundred search warrants obtained more than two hundred thirty orders for communications records issued almost fifty orders for authorising of pen, registers, etc. Etc. I want to focus particularly on the phrase executed nearly five hundred search warrants, and I wanna assert that first of all the standard for doing a search warrant most of those are presumably for emails, and there that is orders to companies to produce e mails the standard is still probable cause. And therefore unless we assume that. All five hundred of these search warrants are issued to in connection with the obstruction component of the investigation. We have to assume that these reflect that the government had probable cause against a lot of people in matters related to this conspiracy in indictment this conspiracy prong, so David my my mischievous question for you is is Bill bar here acknowledging that actually there may have been probable cause about a lot of people's behavior that didn't amount at the end of the day to proof beyond a reasonable doubt of conspiracy. Are put those two ticks about Muller's investigation in the front of this letter not for that purpose, but to establish the thoroughness of it, and therefore bolster confidence in the conclusion of the investigation did not establish a conspiracy. But I do think it's worth pointing out is you've just done five hundred search warrants means five hundred findings of probable cause. Of course, you can have multiple search warrants, and you often do for any one user in sometimes even for anyone account. And of course, also not every subject of a search warrant that is not every account holder is necessarily a US prison. They may have been gathering information on another person's. So there's you know, I wanna sound to note of caution. But there is obviously a number a lot of judicial finding behind this of probable cause. And. Even if in the end, it doesn't get you over the line in a criminal matter. It is still relevant to the counterintelligence investigation. We've been discussing presumably and gives you a sense of you know, what may be part of the outcome of that investigation. Let me also add on Ben I want to tweak a little bit. Perhaps the way that you're suggesting we we read that which which I framed intentionally provocative -ly, by the way, part part of the difficulty with extrapolating from the attorney general's summary letter is I read that section of the letter that describes all of the legal process that was issued including the five hundred warrants I read that to pertain to the special counsels entire investigative activities. That means the Flynn case the Manafort case, the gates case all the other individuals who were prosecuted for lying to federal government officials. I read those numbers those statistics as encompassing all of that investigative activity all of the IRA prosecution. The everything that the special counsel did not merely not merely the two. Limited points that the attorney general's letter includes findings about which is only collusion as a pertains to the president or the president's campaign and obstruction. That's interesting because the paragraph in question is only about those two issues but the sentence in but the the relevant sentence is in arguably encompasses the entire investigation. And I don't know. I mean, we that's one thing that I'm just suggesting perhaps an alternative reading. But I we don't know until we have more information perfectly possible. And this would be consistent with the aggregate findings right that there's thirty seven defendants altogether. And you can generate a whole lot of search warrants out of thirty seven in my mind, the numbers make more sense when you put it in that context that's perfectly fair. I I do think it goes to the idea though, that even the most basic factual representation in a summary is just not enough information. You. You cannot conclude anything essentially until you have the underlying report except one thing which is that the special prosecutor concluded that there was not a criminal case here on conspiracy. Right. And that the investigation is concluded both pieces which are unequivocally. Great news for the president. But anything beyond that in terms of sort of assessing, the political consequences, or even sort of the the legal consequences in the sense. We're talking about things like impeachment. I don't see how this letter even begins to touch on that stuff. All right. Let's turn to obstruction says, we here's the we dealt with a simple stuff the collusion side. Let's deal with the obstruction side. So here. We have a really peculiar statement by the attorney general about the special counsel's view. And then additional layer that reflects the attorney general's view the special counsel all we really know is that the special counsel for some reason made a decision not to make a decision about whether the president had obstructed Justice. But instead laid out all the evidence detailed in his report the arguments for and against considering it as an obstruction or at each incident as a set of obstructions, I suppose and then. Declined to go further than that, the attorney general notes this and then layers on top of it his own view, which apparently the deputy attorney general shares that the president's conduct does not amount to obstruction of you that is broadly consistent with the one that he articulated, although not exactly the same. But broadly, consistent with view that he articulated in his memo that became controversial during his confirmation. And so my first question David, should we look at this as a situation in which Bob Muller punted this decision to Bill bar or should we look at it as a situation in which Bob Muller? Declined to address this question for some other reason and bar jumped in to fill a gap. Right. So I don't know who Bob mother was trying to whether it's bar, and or the congress, but I did find this to be the most surprising aspect of or description of Muller's report that is I think I would've expected Muller to make a finding on criminality even in the face of the bar on that is the prohibition on indictment of a sitting president. And I I did find it surprising. I I have to believe that he would have known that leaving that space open would 'cause they'll Bart still. And I would be surprised if he was the prized that or did so, but he may be thinking that you know, because the president can't be indicted. There was no need to address these very difficult legal questions and in a way that may be. Eight mother saying look, this is just not the kind of issue that criminal Justice system, or I can really resolve for you. And so I'm going to have to pass it to the political, folks. I don't know. I'm puzzled by this is the thing again that I found the strangest I think it would have been far more conventional for him to make the finding of criminality one way or the other. I knowledge it may be a hard case. But prosecutors make our judgments of that sort, and I don't know what he was thinking. And it's the one thing I really want to understand most of all probably when and if we see the full report. Yeah. I think if you look at the language of the bar letter, it would suggest it would it would not. So just that Muller had intended for bar to fill that space. Even if you might have suspected that bar was going to the letter says that that the special counsel's office was declining to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. That's not saying they couldn't reach a decision or they felt that the decision the that the attorney general was in a better position to make the decision that language to me suggests this is not an area, presumably because of the difficult article two questions, and because of the fact that the DOJ guidance says you cannot indict a sitting president that they were essentially saying there is no traditional prosecutorial decision to be made. I do think that it's worth noting as we've discussed that bar inserting his judgment as to obstruction. And the fact that there was not that this. The didn't meet the legal standard for obstruction has no operative affect other than providing the president. Cover in sort of headlines. Right. His spell that out. Because I I know what you mean there. But I think a lot of listeners won't why doesn't it have operative effect? So when Muller delivers his report to the attorney general he is not delay. He is he is not making a recommendation as to charging the president on obstruction. That doesn't mean that the question remains open right Muller has exclusive jurisdiction here. It means that the matter is closed for the purposes of the department of Justice. And so it's not as though there was then this void that the attorney general needed to step in to declare. And I say this does not rise to obstruction. It was always going to go to congress to the extent. Congress gets this full report. And so Barr could have said nothing, and that wouldn't have changed anything in terms of the the legal position of the department. And so. I he might have felt a duty or obligation to offer his view of things, but it didn't have any effect other than the early narrative framing because certainly on a matter in which Robert Muller after this this this very thorough investigation. Basically says, you know, there is lots of evidence on either side, surely that is going to be an issue that congress is going to have to render an independent judgement on Kerry. What do you think is is this a situation in which Bob Muller punted something or is it a situation in which Bill bar arrogated something to himself or is it just not clear yet? I think I just think it's impossible to know right now without knowing first of all what the evidence is. That's in the report on the points of obstruc. Action without knowing what the substance and level of consultation. There was between the special counsel's office and rod Rosenstein, when he was the acting attorney general for purposes of this investigation, and then between the special counsel's office in attorney general bar once he came on board. It's just really hard to know whether or not the special counsel independently came to this decision not to make a prosecutorial recommendation or whether he decided not to do it because there was a difference of legal opinion between the special counsel's office and the attorney general's office and the deputy attorney general's office or whether he decided not to do it because making a prosecutorial recommendation would have been irrelevant because the remedy for a president who obstructed Justice is political. I just don't think that we have enough information to understand that dynamic. And I think the only way to understand it will probably be number one to see this portion of the report and number two to hear from the attorney general, perhaps the deputy attorney general and perhaps the special counsel in a congressional hearing. All right. I wanna make up a bunch of facts and use them to make a case for what? Bob Muller appears to have done here. And then have you guys any of you who want bat me back, David you seem to be the most concerned about the way Muller appears to have handled this, so maybe maybe you'll attack this. But here's my my gut instinct when I read this part of the letter, which is Muller made a judgment that this is ultimately an impeachment question. It is not you know. Yes, you can make an argument that this violates the crew. Final law. It raises novel issues of first impression as to the interaction of the of the obstruction statutes with article to those questions are freaking hard. And since you're barred from indicting, the attorney of the sitting president, anyway, they're entirely hypothetical questions. So really what we're staring at here as some of us have been arguing on law. Fair for a long time is a constellation of facts that relate to the accent, the normative acceptability of the president's conduct vis-a-vis the law enforcement apparatus that serves him. And so what do you do in this situation? Which is and the answer is gasp you behave like Ken Starr, which is to say, you you use the criminal Justice apparatus to gather a whole. A lot of facts, and you report them in a somewhat truth commission like fashion, and you don't way in on the legality or illegality of them. Because frankly, that's a side point the relevant point is does congress think they are or are not impeachable offenses. And so what Muller may have been doing? Here is saying the fundamental role of the special counsel is to create a record of the substantive behavior of the president in interaction with law enforcement for purposes of of evaluation along non-criminal axes by other actors, I congress, and therefore I don't really need to decide whether it does or does not violate the obstruction statutes as limited by article two. Well, I think that subject to the going to carry and I made about how there's no way to know. I think that that explanation of the desire to pass the issue to congress, and therefore not have to make any judgments that aren't essential to that resolution, and that course of action probably the most likely explanation. But again, I really like to see the report, I think, you know, on the other side of it number one he had to know that or would take up the issue. Seems to me if you're thinking about this you have to know that maybe he doesn't care. But I think he had to know that I do think the ultimate finding of criminality by the special prosecutor or by special counsel could be relevant to the political debate. I agree. It's a different standard, of course, under diekmann during the other political remedy, but still I think it would be a helpful in relative relevant finding to make. And I suppose thinking ahead, you know, the bar is against indicting sitting president, but one way or another it's possible two years or so from now we may not have Donald Trump's sitting in the White House. And I guess it would be an open issue for prosecution at that point. So I guess I think it may very well be that when I read the report, I will say I now understand, and I can really support and think mother's choice was justified. I suspect though, I. I will also think that it would have been permissible and justified for him to make that finding and if he were able to make that finding I think it would be helpful one to make. Carried you have thoughts. I think I agree with everything that that David said there in I'm just thinking while we're while he was talking what I was thinking about was what of the special counsel had not made a recommendation on other parts. So in other words, the the attorney general's letter appears to say that the special counsel did make a recommendation into determination based on the facts of the collusion and the conspiracy issue. So what I'm curious about is why a decision on one aspect that affected the president and not on another that affected the president. I, and I think the answer to that may well be that the obstruction issue is centrally and only about the conduct of Donald Trump as president. Whereas the conspiracy issue is about his the conduct of all the people around his campaign. It's about you know, it's about every Griffin who slipped into Trump Tower. At various times. It's about Felix Seder rate. It's about all these other people who whatever they do have in common with one. Another don't happen to be the president of the United States exercising article two powers. All right. Let's wrap up. Susan. I'm where what happens now, do you have any, you know, Bill Barr says at the end of this at the end of this letter that he's working expeditiously to resolve sixty issues and get out as much material as possible he is still committed. He says to doing that there have been no substantial leaks so far. What do you think are we working toward a process in which the body of the Muller report with exceptions becomes public over the next few days weeks or months, or are we working toward a process in which there is a huge confrontation over the future of this report or both? I think both it is. It remains inconceivable to me that this could conclude without the American people and not just congress. But the public actually seeing almost all of this report with very narrow exceptions. I would imagine there will be fights. Even over six immaterial to the extent there's on a classified material and to the extent that there's any exertion of executive privilege. And so I don't think that we've seen indications from the Justice department that there. Acting untoward here and are going to try to withhold things. They don't think are properly withheld, but we're we're clearly saying the Justice department anticipates withholding something and if they would try try and withhold anything whatsoever. There is going to be a serious legal confrontation over that. Because I don't think congress would or should walk away from. This this episode in American history without having obtained as much information as the legal process will allow them to an I don't just think that that's going to be limited to the Muller report. I think we are going to see a substantial fight over the underlying investigative materials as well. Kerry. What do you think is this a situation where okay Muller bar is going to redact a bunch of sixty protected material? They're going to quietly tell congress. Hey, these twenty pages relate to an ongoing matter that you really don't wanna screw up by us making this public, and this is the classified annex that we absolutely cannot make public, but we will brief the intelligence committees. Of course, like we would on any counterintelligence matter and congress says, okay, we put up a pro forma fight on the following. Issues. So that we can. But basically, the there will be a process that will make enough of this public. So that congress can go about its business, and we can all go about evaluating what we think of low-fare Rusen and Donald Trump's role in it. Or is this a situation in which, you know, the bulls have put their head down, and they're charging toward one another, and we are going to have a huge the fight that we thought we were going to have over, you know, might have over the impeachment of Donald Trump is as an initial matter all going to be about the disclosure of the substance of this report. I think the first part of what you described would be totally consistent with what the attorney general committed to doing and his confirmation hearing in terms of his commitment to transparency and and making as much of the report public as he possibly could. I do think that if he asserts too much. It makes too many assertions regarding or or if they're substantively is so much grand jury information on the obstruction piece in particular. I think congress is going to fight most strongly on the obstruction of the information supporting the obstruction factual findings. And so to the extent that he tries to withhold information on that piece, I think that they will fight fairly substantially in. And we might see litigation on that point. I do want to say one thing before we close on the national security side of things, and this comes to something that Susan mentioned at the very beginning on the reporting that the gang of eight is being briefed on something. And it just that that report indicates that there is still there is a reason many of us are not finding all of this to make a lot of sense. And I think that gang of eight report kind of highlights it because if there is some aspect of this ongoing investigate. Nation that is so sensitive that it can't be briefed to the full house intelligence committee, and the full Senate intelligence committee that it can only be briefed to the gang of eight that indicates to me that there is some part of this that still perhaps a fax of the involvement of US persons or something that is beyond just the activities of four of a foreign intelligence service because I'm just having a hard time coming up with what would it be that that the full intelligence committees could not receive and but the Devin Nunes could receive will because he is still part of the gang of eight. So so just pointing out the irony not make the argument that well, they're trying to keep it from the most partisan partisans because because he is still the ranking member on the house intelligence committee, and so he will receive that information. And so I just think that there is there is a reason why. Based on the information. That's just in the attorney general's letter in based on what we've heard so far publicly that is still not all adding up to this being completed investigation and everything sort of being resolved as it relates to twenty sixteen and and the counterintelligence issues that are related, David. What are you see you look forward? Do you think this is a this letter is a good faith initial effort by Bill bar that promises. Additional major disclosures that will begin to answer all the questions, we've all been discussing or is this a sufficiently measly effort on the part of the attorney general that it simply sets up a a a a confrontation that is going to be vicious or conversely, as it a good faith effort that is that, you know, the Democrats are so. Deranged by Trump derangement syndrome that they will not take. Yes. For an answer in terms of the disclosures. That bar is promising. I think possible that I say yes to everything you just said, I have no I have no basis to question the fundamental good faith of Bill VAR, I know him a little bit. And I and I may not share the same view of what the law is. But I do think he's committed to rule of law. And so I start with the presumption that you know, he he may have written this from a certain perspective. But the factually accurate in. It's not intentionally misleading in any way. And I would take considerable evidence to get me off of that view. Just because that's what I think he's about he's smart and he's committed to following the law as he sees it. I think we probably will end up seeing most of this report one way or the other the pressure in the system to have it disclosed. And so great that if the, you know, an accommodation can't be reached, then I. Think you know, stuck we'll come out, even even by leaks. I just I'm not condoning, but I'm simply describing state of affairs. I do think they'll probably be some confrontation around the edges of what can be disclosed. It seems to me the incentive at least in part may encourage that. I think a couple of interesting aspects that we haven't touched on that may go to the question of what gets disclosed are for what did Muller get for all of his two thousand eight hundred subpoenas and five hundred search warrants and so forth. Did he run into any evidentiary roadblock in his investigation that leave gaps that need filling and might be subject to being filled later with additional investigative efforts over time and second what's the relationship between the core work that he kept for himself and all the work that he's fun out that may be ongoing because we've discussed ironically, I think, you know. Bar could say to the congress that you don't want to disclose all that stuff real compromise all these ongoing investigations that. I'm sure you all in congress at least in the democratic side of Rabi to see done. So we better not talk about that. And I think he will you know, end up putting the congress possibly in a little bit of a hot seat on that. But I'm curious on both of those aspects and how they will bear on the question of disclosure going forward. David Carey, Susan. Thank you all for joining us today. The law fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. 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Mueller Investigators If you are listening; Income Inequality and the need for greed

Rusted Culture Podcast

21:52 min | 1 year ago

Mueller Investigators If you are listening; Income Inequality and the need for greed

"You're listening to the rusted culture podcast. Of course, it is. And I'm your host Frank ever sold. I want to welcome you back to the rested culture podcast. I hope all is well with you in this week. We've got two things lined up that we're going to talk about we're gonna talk about income inequality in the need for greed. The second thing we want to talk about. And I've got a question for you is Bill bar obstructing Justice himself. Stay right there. Well, the gap between the rich and the poor is widening under Trump. That's nothing. That's no big story. We know that's happening. It's getting so bad though, folks, it's getting so bad that even the rich are getting worried. That's how you know. It's really bad. The system that has literally enriched the Donald trumps of the world while you can hardly make ends meet and just sit there and suffering. Silence has got to change. Folks, it's gotta change or it's gonna destroy you the middle class in our country along with it because our country is the middle class, folks. That's the greatest percentage. Of Americans out there are country is the middle class. And if you combine the rich, get richer politics, Donald Trump with his tax cuts for the rich and overdone tax cuts for corporations with the reality that we've we've got the worst. Skyrocketing deficits ever you can see what's going to happen. And in fact, it's already happening right in front of us. Those policies created such large huge deficits, Donald Trump's deficits. That he now has to force cuts to healthcare because of his deficits and he's got a force cuts to Medicaid. Cuts to social security. They're all on the block. In the thing about it is the thing that makes it so insidious. Not the fact that they have to cut the budget because I know that has to happen, right? It's a part of running a business. It's a part of running country. But the thing that makes this insidious is that they knew this was going to happen when the enriched themselves. I even told you last year that the tax cuts would lead to tax cuts would lead to cuts that affect each and every middle class in poor American in here. We are folks. We're at the point where the tech the cuts are coming. They're coming at us. Like no tomorrow couple that with the fact that technology advances in the next ten years and in going forward, even they're going to be displacing jobs of many, many many middle class Americans when that happens as technology advances artificial intelligence advances. It's going to be displacing the jobs of many many middle class Americans, even the so-called white collar jobs aren't going to be safe. And I'm talking about jobs like accountants things like that traditional white collar jobs could paying jobs, well, they're going to be replaced too. Those that control the technology, the rich, of course will benefit from this. So what I'm trying to say here folks is that you can't wait any longer the richer is concerned about what you will do to halt the inequality as the problem just gets worse and worse and worse, and they know it. They're concerned about what you will do to halt the inequality. So just take a second here. And let's look at some things Ray Dallaglio is the billionaire capitalist. He argues that the rich versus everyone else is an existential threat. Ray says that I believe all good things taken to an extreme can be self destructive. And that everything must evolve were die. This is now true for capitalism. He sang that capitalism. This is a billionaire capitalist. Folks, he saying that capitalism must evolve or die. The richer sitting on a volcano of inequality that is going to explode if they don't fix it. And they know it they know it. J P Morgan. Chase. Ceo, Jamie diamond road last week that capitalism and Abel's competition. Innovation in choice. This is not to say, the capitalism does not have flaws that isn't leaving people behind in that it shouldn't be improved. They know it has to change folks. The richer sitting on an edge literal edge of a volcano that's about to erupt, and they know it. Even the Federal Reserve Board in a new report say that forty percent of Americans. They can't recover or they can't simply even pay for a four hundred dollar emergency expense. Maybe it's a couple of new tires on the car. Kids get sick you name it. The Federal Reserve Board is saying that forty percent of Americans can't cover a four hundred dollar expense. Just comes out of the blue in. If you're in the middle class, you know, they come in out of the blue left and right? So how bad does it have to get folks before we change this before it destroys the middle class? How much worse. How much worse. Are you willing to let it get before? You force the change. In according to axios. The reality is irrefutable. And startling since nineteen eighty the incomes of the top. One percent tripled. The top ten percent doubled in the bottom. Sixty percent. Of prime age workers their incomes were flat. How much worse can we let things get before we make it change? How much worse folks? That's your vote is that what can change this your vote can change. This one was last time. You heard Trump even talk about income inequality. Have you ever heard mention those two words the system folks, it's rigged for people like him in? He knows it. That's why Trump talks about anything anything, but income inequality. My God don't bring that one up. In your vote folks, your vote can change. This don't don't ever underestimate the power of your vote to change the income inequality. That's crippling middle middle America. On an increasing basis every year getting worse. Your vote can change that. And you're gonna hear him call your efforts to fix income inequality, socialism, if you haven't heard it already socialism, folks, it's the new McCarthyism if you wanna fix income inequality. You'll be called a socialist. Just get ready for it. They don't want things to change. They've got a good thing. And they know it. They don't want that to change. Agreed within them is going to make them fight like band. She's to hold onto their grip of power. When you hear them, call you socialist for wanting change what you really here is that there need for greed, folks. That's the need for greed that you're hearing. We are the fix medical middle America. Folks. We are the fixed for their need for greed. Your vote is the fix that. They fear the most. And like I've said before socialism is the new McCarthyism, it's what they called social security to what they called Medicare in and even called FDR's new deal. Franklin Delano Roosevelt's new deal. They all called it. Socialism all labeled as socialism. When I hear Republicans throwing around the term socialism. I hear fear fear that the system is that's now rig for them will change. It's fear, folks. The one percent call it socialism when you refute their trickle down theory that enriches the wealthy today. They call it socialism. When you say the rich need to pay their fair share of taxes, they call that socialism. How dare you? They call it socialism. When you talk about Medicare for all. Folks are really good at making excuses for essentially enriching themselves at the expense of the middle class. Aren't they? They're really good at it. They've had years to perfect their vitality depends on it. It's time to challenge the status quo. If you don't like the fact that the poor get poor in the rich, get richer. You've got a bust of move folks vote. You've gotta take the country right back out of their greedy little fingers. Don't buy into the Trump card game where he says he's for the little guy. And then he turns around and pass his text cuts for the rich. Don't buy into it. Don't buy into it. When he says he wants the best healthcare in the world. Then joins into a lawsuit that basically is going to take healthcare away for twenty three million Americans. Instead of fixing what we have today. Don't buy into that condom. Go ahead Trump what he thinks about income inequality and listen to how he tries to tell you that he's fourth little guy, but his need for greed says otherwise the need for greed pass those tax cuts for the rich. And the need for greed wants to kill your best chances for healthcare plan that works for all Americans. The need for greed is why he will fight to keep anyone from seeing his tax returns. The need for greed is why Trump never talks about income inequality. But we will. We'll talk about it won't we? We're not gonna let this issue die without a fight, folks. Stay right there. There's more to come. We're gonna talk about big boy Bill bar member. Shoney's big boy. Well, that's what we've got here with Bill bar hang right in there. And we're gonna talk about that in just a second. Will. So my question to all of you out. There is this is attorney general Bill. Barb strutting Justice right here in front of us is he obstructing Justice. Listen through this. And I'll explain why I think that this indeed might be the case. For one. We know that attorney general Bill bars trumped up four distinct classes that he plans to redact from the more report the four glut classes that Bill bar has come up with are these information that could reveal sources and methods of investigation. Grand jury information material information that could jeopardize ongoing investigations in details that would violate the privacy of those deemed peripheral to the investigation the surprise here folks is what Bill bar deems, violates executive privilege, and he has an added that into one of his fourth classes, but it's going to be there, you can rest assured that he is going to redact information that he feels violates executive privilege because Trump is deferring to him for. Reasons which I won't go into. So in reality Bill bar is filtering out five classes nut for like. He says it's going to be five five classes of information from the report not just the four like he says or nearly folks that's the information that we in the public would get that reduction that filtration of information. That's normally what trickles down to us. But Bill Vare is also gonna he's proposing giving that same information that we would normally get all the redacted information for those reasons I just mentioned that then information is what he's going to pick up in put down right in front of congress. Specifically, the house intelligence committee headed by chairman, Adam Schiff in the House Judiciary committee, which is headed by chairman, Jerry Nadler, they're getting the same thing that we get. The same thing the public. I. In keep in mind here that both house committees have have clearance specific clearance to deal with top secret information, especially the house intelligence committee commission committee, which specifically deals with top-secret information all of the time. It's what they do folks. It's what they do. Bill bars refusal to give the report to chairman, Adam Schiff and chairman, Jerry Nadler is obstruction of Justice in my opinion. And the house intelligence committee may have a claim to the information. According to barb mcquaid. You may have seen her on some of the evening shows, Rachel Maddow, barred mcquaid, who's a former US attorney for the eastern district of Michigan. She said in a call to reporters at one of the other exceptions to the grand jury. Secrecy rule is that an attorney for the government may disclose grand jury material to a federal official whose job includes foreign intelligence work. Well, that would be the Intel committee and at Tuesday's meeting yesterday's meeting with the house appropriations committee Bill bar into needed that the special counsel was helping him. Call the information. In the redacted classes, basically that the special counsel was helping him. Choose the redacted classes in help. Call the information, they're helping he intimidated that was. Sort of their idea to. But what Bill bar Torney general bar didn't say. That it was he didn't say anything that to the effect that it was the Muller teams idea to redact the information. Given to the House Judiciary or intelligence committees. He didn't say anything specific to the effect that. It was my doing. This is my redaction. He made it seem like. It was all of their idea. It was the Muller teams idea to redact. This information that's being given to the house Jewish judiciary or intelligence committees. He he kind of made it seem through a question that was asked to them like it was something they all agreed upon which I'm highly sceptical about. At this point. Folks, we really need to hear from more on who decided to redact all of these classes. If it's only big boy Bill bars idea than once again by filtering and redacting all of these classes down for the mall report. He's again, obstructing Justice. He made it seem like it was everybody's idea. And I want to hear from molar. Specifically was it Muller's idea to help redecked specific classes of information from the report? If the house intelligence and judicial don't have the information that they need to make their own informed decisions about what Trump may have done to break the law because Bill bar number one won't provide won't provide the unredacted report to them. And number two implies that even so Muller's team has produced the list of areas to be redacted. That's how you obstruct Justice. Folks. This is how you protect the president folks by doing exactly what Bill bar is doing. And he knows it. He knows full well that by withholding full information on the mall report. He's forcing this to be settled in court. Hopefully, I think his hope is that he can push this until way out maybe best case until after the election, the presidential election pushed the whole report out there nobody'll, get diddly squat until after the election. That would be as best case scenario. And that's how he's protecting Trump from the real story. Locked inside the mall report. It's kind of a way that he can obstruct Justice. I'd really like to know. Whose idea was to come up with these filtered redacted classes? In. It doesn't end there for Bill bar either. Folks by delaying the whole release of the Malla report and all its salacious details. He's giving oxygen for his crazy spying on Trump's campaign. Kaz conspiracy theories to just echo around Breitbart and all the different news outlets. We heard that happening today. By delaying the whole release of the Miller report, he's giving these. Crazy ideas, he spying on Trump's Trump's campaign. Let's see the Muller report, folks. And we can decide for herself. If there was a reason for anyone to look a little closer with Trump was doing, but he's not doing that. He's withholding the entire report. So he can give more oxygen to these crazy issues. This is an attorney general that's doing this. An appointment by Donald Trump, just basically pulled big boy off the street here. What a couple of three months ago and just in time to prevent the whole model report from going public. But yet looked like he's doing everybody a favor at the same time. And today we also heard that Bill bar said he's forming a team to review the origins of the Trump Russia probe. He's forming a team. And. All I can say is this release the full Muller report big boy Bill bar in. I think you may see why if at all the intelligence community had reason to track in look into Trump release the report. So the president himself today actually came out, and he likes to call this in attempted coup on his presidency and says the more report is treason, it's against the constitution treason treason against the constitution hall of this, folks. And we still have yet to see the report. They love the fact that you have no report to even begin to counter the argument that by simply conducting the molar probe. Treason against the constitution was committed. I personally don't think Miller's team committed treason against the constitution, folks. And all I can say as Muller investigators. If you're out there, if you're listening, the house intelligence committee has every right under the law and would sure like to see the full unredacted Muller report. If you're listening. It would sure be nice. In folks, I want to thank you for joining in. And that's the show for this weekend. We're also we've got some interesting things coming up here. We've got some interviews plant, and I hope you'll be able to join us for some of those. We've got some interviews. Just right around the corner that we're working on along with the information that we bring to you every week as well. So until then folks, I wanna thank you for joining us and we'll see next time.

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Trump, Roger Stone and Michael Flynn

WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch

26:07 min | 4 months ago

Trump, Roger Stone and Michael Flynn

"Technology, it's in your pocket, your car, Your Business and the Wall Street Journal's Tech News. Briefing is tracking all of it from consumer tech to cybersecurity from the giants to the startups every weekday we bring you the latest stories about the companies and advancements that are changing the way we live and work. Tech is remaking. The world will make sure part of it subscribe to the WSJ tech news briefing from the Wall Street Journal wherever you get your podcasts. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac watch president. Trump grants clemency to Roger Stone and the latest in the long running. Michael Flynn legal case welcome. I'm Kyle Peterson with the wall. Street Journal sitting in today for Paul Zhigo. We are joined as usual by my colleagues. Kim, Strassel Cam, Hello Kyle and bill mcgurn Hello Bill Hi Kyle. As, Roger Stone was preparing to report for a forty month prison sentence on seven felonies including lying under oath president. Trump on Friday commuted that sentence while leading the convictions intact. The president issued a statement. Calling. Roger Stone a victim of the Russia hoax. Outrageous couple lines here quote the collusion delusion spawned endless and farcical investigations conducted at great taxpayer expense, looking for evidence that did not exist as it became clear that these witch hunts would never bear fruit. The special counsel's office resorted to process based charges levelled at high profile people in an attempt to manufacture the false impression of criminality lurking below the surface unquote cam. What do you make of the commutation of the President's statement here? Well on the merits, I think I agree more with Dr. who pointed out? This was prior to the commutation that he believed that the the stone prosecution was a quote unquote. And appropriate and I think there's something to that. Because look, let's go back and remember what's at stake here the special counsel Robert Mueller charged stone with. Lying to Congress and obstructing investigation, a witness tampering and all of it had to do with his supposed- interactions with wikileaks. Outfit that published documents stolen from Democrats and in the end it looks as though Mr Stone didn't really have all that much communication with wikileaks. He claimed how far more influence than he did at least when it came to talking to the trump campaign. There doesn't seem to be any crime quote on crime there in terms of his actual acts, but the question was. Did he lie and there doesn't seem to be any. Any much of a question that he did and so the issue was came down to the Muller team, had advocated nine years in prison, which was kind of outrageous summertime given the actual issue here. The Department of Justice did a review under bill bar. They actually revised the recommendation for the sentence, which was much more in line with what other people had received for this that to me seemed generally the right approach. So you know the president. This master stone has no martyr as we pointed it out, and and the president is right that there's probably no evidence about some bigger. There is no evidence about some bigger deep dark tie to Russia but the the issues of the kind of lying and our judicial system at he should. My argument would be that he should base same justice as other folks. To my mind I think that's I. think that's right Kim I mean. There's no evidence that I've seen. The Roger Stone was the mastermind of a grand conspiracy to turn the election. But just to just to dig in on that context a little bit more I mean. wikileaks in the two thousand sixteen campaign was releasing these emails. These hacked e mails from Hillary Clinton's advisers stone had some contact with wikileaks so Bob. Muller wrote an op Ed after the commutation, and here's what he says about. He says stone became a central figure in our investigation for two key reasons he communicated in two thousand, sixteen, with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advanced knowledge of wikileaks release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers so bill I mean to me. It seems like there's there's a legitimate basis for the investigation of stone here. Yeah I look I think there was look at my. Roger Stone. Is You know he's? He's kind of a political, dirty trickster and everything. He's been involved in politics for a long time. any seems if I'm reading it correctly to have gotten in trouble for I. Lying about his connections to wiki leaks to to the trump campaign, the people around implying he had closer ties and. Then he did, and then lying about those lies to the federal investigators and so forth. I think on the merits you could make a case for I, do think that There's a case bill bar inherited this. You're not going to undo. everything that you inherit, and there was a plausible case because he had not told the truth to go after them, but I do think it's part of the excesses of the Muller. Muller Commission going after them this way, and I think that that recommendation of nine year sentence speaks to it. I do think that was outrageous plus start as a legitimate complaint about the jury format so So I think, it's a really messy case I. do think that bar has a bigger. There's so many things Going on just just now from Flynn to the dorm investigation, and so forth and to to waste capital on Rogers. Roger Stone I'm not sure that's the wisest thing after you know. Bill Bar stuck his neck out on the on the sentencing thing so I can understand that I i. agree that people that lie should be called to account, but so far there's been very there've been precious. Few people in the FBI or the Justice Department of the Obama Administration who have been called to account for their lies on the question of Bill Bar. I mean that's part of what makes this a pretty messy in my mind, because as you say. I, mean He. He's stuck his neck out here in a real way I mean. There are some reporting that bar argued internally against the commutation He said recently as Kim mentioned. He said he thought the prosecution was righteous. He said he thought the sentence. The judge ultimately gave was fair. But remember earlier this year, so prosecutors had recommended originally a sentence of seven to nine years. bar argued that that was excessive, and he pushed for something shorter, and then the judge settled on forty months, and now trump leaves him sort of handling hanging, twisting in the wind, there wasting political capital, and if trump Kim was going to commute the sentence, why not let stone get a nine year sentence, and then trump could make the argument that it was excessive. Yeah, I really wish he had taken that into account because the biggest threat right now to bill bar. Is this campaign by everyone on the left to suggest that he is somehow quotes the president's lawyer rather than the lawyer for the United States the top cop for the United. States, and that somehow he is subject to political pressure and just doing the will of the trump administration. It's all a bunch of nonsense. If you look at the way that the Justice Department has conducted, all of its reviews that in any way touch on Bob Muller's work. It's all been done by the book and it's all been done to serve the cause of justice in essence. Here with Roger Stone being that you know if you WanNa talk about politicization Roger Stone appears to have been singled out by the Muller Team for an excessive sentencing recommendation solely because he was connected to the presidency, and that was one of the points that Bar Barmaid in this review is that we can't perceive from the Department of Justice from a weaponized perspective, and so he had this neutral review done, and the revised a recommendation was put forward at much more in line with anyone had ever been charged in the past. And, and that was justice, and so yeah, if the president wasn't a going to, if the president didn't agree with this and he was always going to. Calm you commute. The sentence of of Roger. Stoney should have done it back before that entire process took place in an allowed billboard. Put himself out there and get beat up yet again because we're now seeing this in terms of other actions, he's taking for instance Michael Flynn and that's one of my big worries. Is that these two cases do not bear any relation to up to each other, and if there is a person who deserves at the moment, a presidential pardon, it should be Michael Flynn, but it's going to become that much harder now to do it in the arguments again will be targeted at at Bill Bar. We'll get to flint in a minute, but bill. Where where does this stone clemency fit? Do you think in the sorted history of presidential clemency actions I? Mean there are people who are calling this a unprecedented corruption under trump. And you know you can argue that he shouldn't have done it. That stone should have gone to jail for lying. To investigators for intimidating a witness and whatnot but there's there's also it's hard to ignore the as I say this sordid history of this kind of stuff. Yeah, but couple of distinctions one is the pardon power given to president is pretty much not that absolutely. I think there's an exception for impeachment, but otherwise is unlimited. The president can do it for whatever reasons he wants in many presidents have. Have done it I I really find myself. with a jaundiced view of the people that complaining about the corruption here if you look at the Bill Clinton pardons for terrorists and mark, rich and donors, and so forth, it's really hard to put Roger Stone who's kind of clownish figure up in that up in that category. The other distinction is that he wasn't really pardon. Pardon. His sentence was commuted he still is by Muller, says a convicted Felon and so forth, and clearly he was afraid of going to jail, and he was relieved that I'd say one thing on behalf of trump that most presidents like Bill Clinton wait till the last day for the controversial pardons. Because then there's no accountability for it. Trump's at least done it before the election, so people can. Can you know make their votes on this through the ballot box but I do agree with Kim. If you were going to do this, this should have been done before. Bill Bar went to all that effort on the sentencing it. It just makes no sense to do it in this in this way, you have to take care of your own people and Bill. Bar I think is doing. An exceptional job, which is why he's under constant attack, and this doesn't help him doing. What he needs to do with the far more important cases. Hang tight. We'll be right back. You're listening to Potomac. Watch from the Wall Street Journal. Robotics artificial intelligence augmented reality. The future is here. Listen to tomorrow today with the Wall Street Journal's future of everything, the podcast that takes you to the frontlines of science and tech and shows you what's coming next? Look ahead, what do you hear? The future of everything from the Wall Street Journal subscribe wherever. You get your podcasts. From, the opinion pages of the Wall Street. Journal this is Potomac. Watch, welcome back just to compare again to some of those. Clinton precedence over a couple of instances that are being raised in the commentary are I'm Susan McDougal involved in the Whitewater investigation? Who was? pardoned. Though you know, the counter side of that argument is that she had already served her time. and Bill Clinton's half brother, who was pardoned on a charge, and but to to build point there was a nice line in the Journal editorial. Where said at least at least trump did it during an election campaign, so voters can add this to the legend of character issues. They take into the voting booth. I mean Kim, do you? Do you How do you draw those distinctions between what trump has done in what's come before? Oh. Really! That one important part here is that he did it in the view of everybody, and they can factor that in when they go to the ballot box again and decide you know what they make of that situation that is very different from for instance what Barack Obama did toward the end of his term commuting the sentence of a Puerto Rican terrorist or of Chelsea, manning whose leaks by the way put our American troops sent. An Afghan translators at great risk of folks who were fighting the Taliban and so you know, and those were pretty pretty outrageous pardons, but ones that and ones that came at a point where nobody really had much of a say or could could weigh in on judgment on them. look I the other thing I would point out. Is that I know that in Donald? Trump's mind he he is arguing, or he believes, and you can tell from his comments that the injustice here was Bob Muller as a special counsel, and all of the people who were caught up in his probe and the argument that you know. He was put into office in order to. Put in his position in order to root out. Were there any Russian collusion? As well as look at Russian interference in the election, and along the way he swept up a lot of people that really were did not or could not found to have engaged in any such crimes, but they were instead charged for unrelated things whether it be Michael Cohen and his taxes or You know Paul Manafort in prior business dealings. And so in his in his mind is somehow a broader injustice and you can argue over that, but I think that the bigger point here is that there? There can be no question that the crimes Roger Stone engaged in There was evidence and a jury found him guilty. I know that there are some questions about the jury forewoman and her trial, and whether or not she had anti-trump biased, but still it went through the system that was as good as what we've got and so You Know I. Do believe that he should have. He added therefore has to be judged in the same way. We've you other people. Right and the worry being that. If the president. Is that someone who lies to cover up something? Even if even if there is no grand conspiracy behind, it is going to get clemency that that's sort of a worrying precedent I. Mean it, it It seems clear that the the president's pardon power clemency power commutation power is very broad. One of the strange reactions bill to this I thought was from Nancy. Pelosi who is saying speaker of the House is saying that Congress will take action to prevent this kind of brazen wrongdoing. Legislation is needed to ensure that no president can pardon or commute the sentence of an individual who is engaged in a cover-up campaign to shield that President from criminal, prosecution unquote and I have. Have a hard time imagining what that kind of legislation would look like. Since the constitutional clause on pardons seems pretty clear to me. Yeah I think like so many things? With Speaker Pelosi this is just done for the political moment, they would have to modify the constitution I. Don't see that happening again. The pardon power is very broad I'd say one last thing. The pardon power is not necessarily directed to help people who were innocent. who were framed right I. mean it does do that sometimes. Sometimes people were unfairly put in president so forth, but most of the time the pardon power is exercise people who work healthy and for whatever reason president determines. Maybe the punishment was excessive. Maybe. There are other factors it's. It's sort of a correction some ways, but just because someone is, pardon doesn't mean that they were innocent or deserving of a pardon, because of their innocence, and again in Roger Stone's case, he's not declared not guilty. He still has a guilty conviction. All right, moving to the second of those on the Michael Flynn case so I think the last time we talked about this prosecution. That just won't end. The DC Circuit Court of Appeals had ruled for Flynn. Essentially ordering the Lower Court Judge Emmet Sullivan to dismiss the case so Kim. What what has happened since then bring us up to speed. Unfortunately judge. Sullivan Has Not treated that panel. With as much respect as they treated him, remember they did grant the rid of Mundane Mus an ordered Judge Sullivan to dismiss the case they did not however agree to another request from the Flynn team in which they asked to remove judge Sullivan from the case they allowed him to keep overseeing, and so he is now repaid them with that courtesy by saying he refuses to drop the charges instead. He is going to appeal this up to a full hearing by the Full D. C. Circuit. We still don't know whether the court is going to take that appeal, but there's some real risks here because if you remember in the waning days of Senate Democrats running the Senate and Barack Obama Presidency they changed. The rules impact the DC circuit court with liberal judges, and unfortunately this has become a very politicized case in so there's GonNa be pressure for the full court to hear it whereas normally by the way this I mean in some ways. If you think it's a run of mill kind of lying case. Case not suggesting that doesn't matter, but it's not the sort of thing that normally is subject to Ritz. Man Damus and appeals all the way up to the circuit like a full circuit court so normally this would not be something that would motivate the entire court, but this is sadly become a politicized case and there has now been so much injustice. put toward Michael Flynn, that you know. We recently ran aditorial, arguing that this is the proper use of presidential pardon power. Yeah, interested dig on that. What what's the argument there and why not wait for the process to unfold bill? I mean the DC circuit I think says that Flynn has until July twenty to file his reply, and then they'll decide whether the full court will hear the case so it seems like there will be a resolution here coming in matter of weeks or months. What's the argument for not letting that? Play out well. I think you can argue it either way since Michael, Flynn's not faced with jail. This moment I mean Donald Trump could wait to the last day of his administration and pardon him. The advantage of that is The process may yet vindicate. Roger shown the argument for doing now is doing it now. Is that The case started out with some really bad behavior. By the FBI and Justice Department with which withheld exculpatory evidence Kinda diddled with the three zero two forms FBI agents used to sum up an interview and all sorts of bad behavior, and when the Justice Department looked at it found its. Behaved very badly and that the evidence didn't support charging. Flynn with lying in fact, they said they could either not prove it. They're not certainly could prove it or even if he did lie because there was no investigation, it wasn't material, so it's very different from the Roger. Stone case because Roger Stone doesn't contest that he did. He didn't do the things. He's accused of I. Mean No one's really contesting that they're contesting whether pardoned is. For him, but they're not contesting the facts. In this case, the people were responsible for prosecuting. You're saying there's no reason to prosecute. It was an unjust prosecution. So that's that's the executive branch of government to really powerful agencies FBI injustice now we have. A judge kind of a clowning up judicial system. I mean he was ordered by an appellate panel to drop the charges against Flynn. And what he's doing is is relying on a very small technicality to take the law in a totally different direction, very dubious that would basically allow him to prosecute General Flynn. After the Justice Department is declined to do so so right now. We have an opinion from the appellate court. That's still. Still hold sway so the argument for doing it now is that Donald Trump in pardoning roger stone can say because there's been such bad faith showed by the judge. In this case we're I'm a pardoning him. use the the arguments of the appellate court in so doing so he would have some strength for which he doesn't have in the in the Roger Stone case he would have the support of the court and he could argue that he's in fact upholding the law. Trying to correct The you know the justice, Department's a bad prosecution and upholding the integrity of the judicial process, which I think Judge Sullivan is corrupting. Is there anything that you would add to that Kim in distinguishing these two cases distinguishing Michael Flynn from Roger Stone because I think a lot of people's minds people who are not following a the details of this real closely. They probably lump them together as two guys who were accused of lying to investigators. And and are are probably not going to get punished any way for it. So what are the differences here that people should focus on? Well the biggest difference and the most important differences in one case in the Flynn case, the Department of Justice has said we should never have brought this case. This case had validity in no merit. And that it was not in the interest of justice, and so they sought to withdraw their charges and dropped. The case in a court of law is very different than what happened in the Roger Stone case. In which the charges were brought, there was a trial and things a proceeded through fashion. And then then you look at. Why has the Department of Justice said that this was a problem, and it's because we have had all kinds of evidence that the FBI in the early stages of this railroaded and sandbagged Mr Flynn doing an end run around normal White House procedures denying defense team exculpatory evidence, revising the FBI zones three to interview forms all kinds of things that are just really really outrageous behavior from the F. b. i. and the Department of Justice Prior to bill bars arrival there. And remember too that the decision by the department, of Justice to. Withdraw its charges against so requests to withdraw its charges against Mr. Flynn was done after a months long review a by US attorney that had had no connection with this a respected US attorney. who had spent years himself as a prosecutor and an FBI official, so was familiar with how all this works and found that this was wrong. None of this bears any relation to the Roger Stone case, which again which charges were abroad, evidence was presented the Department of Justice stuck by that. There was a trial and there was a sentencing, so you know. I know that the left is going to attempt to just conflict these two issues and suggests that it's all evidence of Bill Bar and Politicisation and corruption on the White House, but the the two cases bear no relation to each other or anything. You want to add bill given the last word, no I except for one thing, there's a reason for this and it's because they fear bill bar. They know he's a professional and they know he takes laws seriously. And what they fear is that he is going to bring accountability to some of the worst actions in two thousand sixteen, and that's why he must be destroyed in discredited. Thank you him and bill thank you all for listening. We'll be back later this week with another edition of the Tomac Watch.

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The Mueller Report Is Coming! Soon!

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:31 min | 1 year ago

The Mueller Report Is Coming! Soon!

"With over two million Americans suffering from opioid addiction. Walmart is taking action to help communities across the country by limiting certain non chronic prescriptions to a seven day supply and requiring e prescriptions for controlled substances by twenty twenty to help tackle the crisis and save lives. Learn more at WalMart dot com slash prevention. Woken the point four Wednesday February the twentieth. It's my birthday twenty one years young. I'm Chris cillizza cutting through the political spin to bring you the news, you need to know where we got big news and CNN broke it, and that is that Robert Muller's report could be filed to attorney general Bill bar as soon as next week and that bar would look to expedite that report. Then being forwarded to congress in the near future all of which suggests that yes, Robert Muller is nearing the end of this almost two year investigation. What does he know? Well, we already know a lot of things number one. There's been a slew of charges filed. There have been thirty nine entities and people charge. There have been seven people have pleaded guilty. There have been four people have been sentenced to prison. There's been one Paul Manafort who was convicted by a jury of his peers and found guilty so allots Ardy happened. The real question here is what if anything does. Color have that hurts Donald Trump perks. Donald Trump junior hurts Jared, Kushner or other senior members of the Trump world that have not yet come under the public scrutiny. At least of what Muller knows another question. Here is how much of this report. Do we get to see so Bill bar in his confirmation hearings to be Torney general was very vague about his willingness to release the mole report? He said that he would do everything he could under the law to be transparent. Well, everything he could under the law is very vague way. To think about this thing Trump has essentially said, look it's up to Bill bar Kellyanne Conway interview with Chris Cuomo on Tuesday night said we might never even see the report there may not be a report not really totally sure what to make of that. I do think that the Trump administration could find itself in between a rock and a hard place here on the one hand not releasing the majority of the report would make them look guilty on the other. If the report is damning for Trump or Trump junior or someone else in the Trump orbit that we don't know about. Releasing the report could be hugely politically and maybe legally problematic while our long national. I don't know if I'd call it a nightmare, but our long national inquiry is almost over maybe by next week or the week after we'll know something maybe everything about what. Bob Muller knows. That's news. You need to know for this Wednesday, February the twentieth for much more. Please check out my daily Email newsletter. Do it as a birthday present for me? Sign up at CNN dot com slash the point. You can also subscribe to this podcast at Stitcher. Spotify apple podcasts or wherever you choose. To get your podcast. You also choose to call it up on your masonic. Oh, poor Google home device. Hey, Sekou Smith here from the hang time podcast. Join me, and my main man John Shuman every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, be sure to subscribe to NBA hang time on apple podcasts. Spotify an NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season.

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Special Edition: Robert Mueller Submits His Report

The Daily

15:47 min | 1 year ago

Special Edition: Robert Mueller Submits His Report

"So it's here. Well, it's in the hands of Bill bar. It's not here in the sense that we can publicly consume it and see what? Bob Muller found it has just moved from one pocket, which we can't see into into another pocket that we can't see into. But it has moved buckets. At least which is something something we've been waiting to yours for correct. Bob Muller is done with his investigation. From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barr. This is a special episode of the daily today. The molar report has been sent to the attorney general. It's Friday afternoon, March twenty second. So Mike talk me through your day to day. So knowing it was going to be a big day. I turned on the recorder as soon as I left the house this morning and made my way into the office to hurry up and wake. Right. And. Oh, five AM. I left my house at ten AM. Did he finished? Around new walking down seventeenth street heading to the office that a call from the office for my enter wanting to know when I knew. Coloring nothing last thing. Enter wants to year. Nothing new not a ton of people on the streets. Yes. Make I do not. I'm sorry. I call the addresses was stopped by a woman who couldn't find that you make an embassy. So you to wanna go this way, go to do pond circle and make a right kion following that trip. Well, we're all going there on what? Come up to Massachusetts avenue coal March day, currently cold, you're one forty five degrees. Just had a normal sort of walk into the office. It doesn't seem like you're in a big hurry to get to the office. Well, all the work has been done. We know what's coming. Are you going on to come into the building big day? Now. None of the day, Harry. Get on the elevator. Walk into the office. And everyone wants to know. Chasing. No report, when's it going to happen? This is the question I asked every five days or days razor weeks, the whole apparatus of the New York Times is jacked up for this moment. Nick here. We're already here. It's been a lot of time and planning that's got into this a lot of stories that have been written. That are ready to go. It doesn't seem right. Yep. Okay. Everyone's sitting around waiting and they want answers. Dean back K, our executive editor calls down to Washington to ask. Elizabeth you Miller our bureau chief, what do you know? Unless you're about the timing. But Elizabeth calls for desk puts him on speakerphone, Mikey. What do you know? My guess is not a lot. Because I don't know what there is to get a heads up on. I don't know. You tell them that. You don't know. We don't know. Stories ready once we get the word from Justice. We push about all the work is done for. Just sort of lemmings so sort of just having the same unsatisfying conversation with different people throughout the office for several hours while eating doughnuts. And then it happened special counsel investigation is over special counsel. Robert Muller has concluded his investigation into Russian election interference in possible coordination with associates of President Donald Trump that report has been submitted. Now, the question is what happens to it. How much gets released and when that is up to the new attorney general Bill bar. So what do we know at this stage? It is Friday afternoon. What's our understanding? Our understanding is that the attorney general in his deputies now have a long weekend of reading ahead of them. They have to go through the report. See what's there digested? And then figure out what to do with it. How much of it should be made public. How much of it should be given to congress and how much of it to remain secret. Is that really all we know at this point. Is there anything about how this unfolded? That tells us anything about the report or what Muller has found if he's decided to bring any charges against any figure in the White House or how he's thinking about this. We just know that Muller is done. There are no more individuals that will be charged by the special counsel's office in. In the investigation. If anyone else has got caught up in this day will be indicted by other US attorneys across the country who have absorbed investigations from the special counsel's office. So the version of the report that will go to congress and be seen by the public is the version that the attorney general has had a chance to go through and decide which parts should be seen by the larger world, and which should not, and that's still gonna take a while for him to figure out cracked, and it's a very difficult process. Because if there is criminality in regards to the president, very tricky issue to navigate the Justice department has policy that says, the president can't be indicted. But if the president can't be indicted, congress should deal with that behavior. How do you give that information to congress? It's not a snap decision. You can make like. Okay, Muller's done. This is what he found. Let's put this in another box and send it to congress far trickier. So how does the AG make the decision about what to include and what not to include in this report bars in this incredibly difficult spot because he has to figure out how much information to share with the public in congress in a way that is enough to leave people can vinced that this investigation was done thoroughly and based on following the facts, but he has to protect the president from disclosures about him that the public may be interested in that his political enemies may want to know, but that has no bearing on the actual criminal investigation that was done. And as how the attorney general handles that balance. Depend in your mind, Mike on what the report from Muller fines and says and recommends. Yes. If Muller says, the president didn't break the law than bar has to figure out how much information to give the congress. So that congress takes those findings seriously. The problem is bars in the very difficult spot politically because the Democrats have already concluded the president did something wrong. So if bar learns from Muller that there's no criminality on the president how does bar than win over those Democrats and show them that Muller truly made a decision based on the facts how much of what the investigation found does he have to give to the hill in a normal criminal investigation. All of that information would not become public because it just Moore would want to protect the individual who they have found did not commit a crime. But this situation is different. Because a lot of people do think the president committed a crime. So how do you show the Democrats? And the rest of the country that, hey, look, this is what Muller found he only found x y and z, and if we wanted to make a case he would have needed to have uncovered these other things which he didn't. And that's why we are confident with his findings and on the other hand if mother does find criminality and perhaps recommend charges against the president. How does bar have to proceed? Well, how much of the evidence that Muller uncovered should go to congress? What should be told to congress should congress be told explicitly? Look Muller believes the president violated these laws, and here's the evidence to back it up. But what if some of that evidence has been obtained from grand jury, the just catches handover? Grand jury information congress what if the information's classified they're not gonna want to hand over classified information to congress. They think congress leaks like a sieve is it safe to say though, Mike that if criminality is found by Muller, congress and the public will. We'll see more of them all the report than if that is not found maybe maybe. But look these a highly unusual situation the person who runs the executive branch, the president has just been under investigation by folks inside of his own branch for the past twenty two months very awkward situation and the person making the decision about what we all will learn about that investigation is a direct appointee of that president correct has the job because the president put him there. So the perception here is one where the average person looks at this and says, well, how can a guy who has made attorney general by the president look at this situation and make a decision that is free of politics. And how can I have confidence that this was done based on the facts? So when will we know more when will we know what the attorney general has decided on that front. Oh, now, you wanna know more? Yes. Please the greed of the news business, if you'll indulge us when will we know more bar in his deputies will go through this. And I don't know sometime the next few days sometime in the next few weeks. It may be a difficult process to unbranded Muller has been rummaging around the president's life for twenty two months. We don't have clarity into everything Muller's found what if bar looks at it and says Muller's thinks violated this law that law, but actually I don't think he has maybe there's not enough there maybe bar disagrees with what Muller has found simply on a legal basis. The other thing is that bar only really gets one shot to get it. Right. Whatever he goes out the door with in terms of handing over information congress. He's gotta have it. Right. He's not going to have a second chance to say. Well, you know, I gave you that stuff. But like man, maybe it's not what I. Thought it was or oh, let's give you more. He has to get it. Right. The first time, otherwise he'll look like he's waffling, and how much of how our handles this will be with the mind toward the expectation that a democratically controlled house of representatives is already into a series of investigations that they only want to redouble once this report is in their hands for clearly knows congress is going to jump up and down until it is satisfied with the information that it wants about this investigation. He can drag that out and probably lose it one way or another either in the court of public opinion or in the actual courts. So he probably just wants to get it over with his as possible. He knows this has been an enormous weight on the country, and that the sooner it is resolved, the sooner the country can move on. And like, what is the likelihood that the way we find out? Out more about the mother report is not from the version that sent a congress. But from something else, Nick, we're all really mindful of the fact that this is the of the leak and that this is the biggest potential leak in recent memory. Yeah. Will leak I don't know. I mean, the number of people who will have access to this document will be very small, and they will know that. If there are a lot of leaks about this than the president can start to raise questions about what's really going on. It will look nefarious. The Democrats will get their backs up and say, well, if this stuff is leaking out why can't we have access to it? They will know that their lives will be much more difficult. If there are leaks here, obviously, you could come up with a scenario where someone working on the investigation is frustrated that the Justice department has decided to go one way or the other on the report, and they think screw. I'm gonna make this public. But my guess is they have gone to great lengths to ensure that this is heavily protected. So now, we wait again. Hurry up and wait. mike. Thank you very much. Thanks. In a letter to democratic and Republican leaders of congress sent on Friday afternoon. Attorney general William bar said he would brief them on the major conclusions of the mother report as soon as this weekend. That's for the daily. I'm michael. See? Hiring used to be hard multiple job sites. Sex resumes. But today hiring can be easy. And you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter. Ziprecruiter is so effective that eighty percent of employers who post on recruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now listeners contries it good or for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash daily. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash D. I L Y. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire.

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The Attorney General Lets it Rip # 955

The Dan Bongino Show

58:59 min | 1 year ago

The Attorney General Lets it Rip # 955

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan bongino. I love to the Dan Bongino shepherdess, Joe, how are you today? Dude. It's a fine day for a radio program. That's all I gotta tell you. I I always anxiously await your your entrance onto the stage. You know? My greatest showman. When when Hugh Jackman hands off the baton to that his his protege guy at the end, and he just wait for you start dancing like elevates the start coming out. You start doing the triple? Unitil? This sudden we cut to a wide shot. Joe ch. Hey, seriously. We have a stack show today. I drove Joe. And my wife Paula crazy last night producing today's show. There's so much. We'll see what we could get to. So let's waste anymore. W the bar testimony yesterday and just some astonishing video you're not gonna wanna miss right today show. Brought you our buddies at helixsleep helixsleep makes the finest mattress out there. Ladies and gentlemen. 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Let's go before we get to Bill bar and some an astonishing dump yesterday. Jim Komi that got lost in all the Bill bar stuff. Hat tip that undercover Huber Twitter account guys. Great. I want to get this. Bernie Sanders thing because we are running into twenty twenty election against a bunch of socialists who are out there screaming and yelling like a bunch of band. She's. Screaming like Howard, Dean style. Ru. Stream it about wealth redistribution it socialism. Bernie Sanders at the tip of the spear is leading the pack. So Bernie Sanders as evidenced by his numerous speeches tweets and otherwise he can't stand millionaires. He obviously doesn't like millionaires. He can't stand that Trump is wealthy. He can't stand Evan as evidenced by his tweet that the Trump cabinet has people in there who have been successful. We have the tweet up on the screen. If you want to watch the show, you can go to YouTube dot com slash Bongino. I'll read it for you. This was the Bernie Sanders tweet on his official verified account at Senator Sanders. Trump's quote anti-establishment cabinet of millionaires millionaires and billionaires like you says is worth more than one third of US households combined. Oh my gosh. Birdie raging raging against the well, the dying of the light Matic Bernie Sanders. Ray G can't stand millionaires billionaires. Well, what do we find out yesterday? New York Times story by Cheryl, Cheryl, gay, Stalberg, birdie said there's now a millionaire pledges to release tax returns by Monday, New York slimes. This is just peachy. So now, we know why Bernie's been hiding his tax returns up until then, you know, why? Because these folks take this to the Bank cash this check. Bernie Sanders has had a focus group together because he's a fraud. And he's hypocritic biggest phoney out there. I'm the Mark by words, he has had a political focus group together. And he is trying to find a way. It's the reason he was delaying his taxes to message to the public that he is. In fact, the very same person he rails against because he's a fraud. He is a Lieutenant General in the fraud hypocrite brigade he is leading chore. Jeez. On a horse at the front of the hypocrite progress brigade getting ready to attack Bernie did he is the biggest phoney out there? So his message now because he was hit on this. Check out this tweet. How he tries to message his new millionaire status. This is hysterical. This is comical in its tier one absurdity. There's a tweet from John Harwood. Bernie Sanders acknowledging that he's rich as he belatedly prepares to release his tax research. So Essen this is cash tag epic fail. I wrote a basilica book if you write a best selling book, you could be a millionaire to really slowly as my wife is so kindly pointed out today, we do. Okay. But we didn't become millionaires for books books do. Well. But you know, we have to split them up marketings a lot of costs in it. And we had some researchers hope that and we did the right thing. But we didn't become millionaires. Bernie did this guy is a fraud. He is forget Lieutenant General. This guy's a four star general in the hypocrisy. Army? He is a total fraud. So in order for Bernie to rescue. This guy's sullied destroyed reputation among serious people Bernie, Bernie Brahimi. Hey bre, bro. You, bro? Haber? The Bernie broS don't care at all. Because Bernie broS just their life. It's a religion for them. This is not based in reality. Data Mon understand that this guy is a hypocrite. He's been railing against millionaires and billionaires that he is one of them Bernie process, but reasonable people's reputations destroyed because he's a fraud if you put together facts and logic, and you say Bernie Sanders hates millionaires and billionaires and the aggregation of well, yet Bernie Sanders is a million who is aggregated wealth. So who have you Bruce book, so? Birdie Bernie should lead, by example, into rescue is sullied reputation that have a suggestion. Remember, what was that movie was an Adam Sandler was Billy Madison? You can do it. Remember, rob Schneider? Do you can do it? Billy Roberta you can do this. You can redistribute the money from this book sales. I expect you I am now folks let's start a movement. And here's what to give it back. Hashtag on Twitter. Give it back send a hashtag that to Bernie on all of his tweets give it back, buddy. You're a socialist your whole credos, your whole reason for being is that government is best is the best spender and allocate our resources that individuals are not that individuals who actually produce aggregate collect wealth, whatever put wealth than a Bank accumulate wealth via business successes. That is not the best way to to operate in economy. Your theory Bernie is the best way to operate economies to turn that money over to government. You weren't a socialist do the right thing lead. I will expect you at a minimum a minimum to donate fifty percent. I'm being kind. Because socialists, want full collectivisation. In other words, the full collectivisation of private assets to the government. I'll give you a pass. I am expecting has Ted give it back. Bernie Sanders to give fifty percent. Thank you. Ms Paula who even put it up on our YouTube dot com slash bunch. You hashtag give it back. Bernie. This should be the new bread. They have their own hashtag feel the burn respond to every feel the burn hashtag by Bernie. Br Haber Haber respond with give it back Bernie needs to give back fifty percent of those book sales to salvage his sullied reputation. Otherwise, I don't want to hear another peep from this guy about Medicare for all about redistribution socialism. Nothing give it back Bernie Kevin back hue can do in. You can do it costed. We need rob Schneider. Right now, he, you know, Bernie, but also pretty good in some sort of paramilitary uniform. You know, what I mean going to work Castro? You get don't you think? The green Uni green Uni. That's not a bad idea. The military cap can use you. You know, what that if he gives it back at least he'd beat for real. Because those are two things that will happen. It's actually I you will have military tyranny, political prisons, death and destruction and second if he gives back the money, so he'd stand by that at least he'd represent what he represents right government control people's freedom liberty in the economy, but it gives back the money at least he'd be ideologically aligned with what he's telling everyone. But he won't do any of that not a bad idea though. Joe? Yesterday. I don't even know where to start Bill bar was up on the hill. I actually do I had a line. And he's my you wanna see my notes, you could check this out YouTube dot com slash bungee. But the videos, that's how many notes I had for today. Took us good four hours to get today's show together because there's so much stuff. So Bill bar. The attorney general goes up to Capitol Hill yesterday testifies, and I have it broken down to three major takeaways. I mean, I could you know, we were bombshells a lot. But it's overused. Clearly, but these are three let's call them in the interest of being not hyperbolic significant takeaways from yesterday. So before we start we played that video quick, Bill bars reaction. This is set the standard for yesterday. This is Bill bars reaction where he just like, you gotta see the facial expression. He makes this quickly Bill bars reaction when being questioned by a democrat congresswoman, and he just clearly has no time for the nonsense. So you knows he's about to be subjected to play that cut. This is very clear that he opposed it. And so let it work out in legislation. I want you to very I want you to need very let me finish my question because that's what I heard. Maybe you need to clarify. So this credit congresswoman tries to put words as methods ignited say that. Fizzy not watching. She comes back as well. This is what I heard this is that whole democrat. This is my truth thing. I say is true show. It's my tree. Like Joe Joe? My truth is your name is John, Dan. My name is Joe it doesn't matter. It's my true. Your name is John Armacost, it stopped me telling me your name is Joe. But Dan, it's on my purse ticket, dude. It's my truth. It's my true. This is her true. What bought Bill Bart is to have a little cut from that later to happen to Kansas. Oh and says, well, hopefully, we'll get to it today where it's their truth to somewhat Kansas Bill bar said. But you gotta see bars face for those. We listen to the audio. He just totally guests this lady off shrugs his shoulders. Like, okay, whatever that's what I said. But if you insist that's what I said, you just roll with that go right ahead. So that sets the tone. Let's get to major major developing story. Number one. This is from the hill yesterday piece by John Solomon, just amazing. The title of peace will be in the show notes today. Please check them out. You don't dot com. Tom. If you subscribe to my Email list that will send you these articles the hill, title the single sentence. Russia bombshell that attorney general bar delivered to congress by John Salman, short piece, really just summarizes. The fact that Bill bar is now told us all under oath. That he is investigating the FBI conduct in the Russia gate spy gave the FBI malfeasance during the campaign and afterwards the presidential campaign afterwards. He is investigating it. You may say, okay. So what's the big? Oh, no, no, no. There are some big big nuggets in there. Baker gets. I. Here's a snippet from John Solomon's piece at the helm. Though, it didn't happen on his watch bar told congress he will investigate and we highlighted this. How the FBI came to conduct a counterintelligence investigation against Donald Trump. Then the Republican nominee for president starting in the summer of twenty sixteen hold. We'll go back to that. In a second. So take away number one. Remember, I said there were three takeaways I want to break this down. So it's collated nicely for you. And your cerebral cortex. Takeaway number one is bar. The attorney general is investigating himself. The FBI's conduct under one bar opens investigation. Here's a sub bullet. He's investigating. How it open? Why is that important? I know knows. And I know our regular listeners like, oh, oh, yes. Yesterday's show makes sense up. Why is he investigating how they opening investigations the Trump the New York slimes, David corn, Chris cillizza and all the sleazy liberal useful idiots out there working for the Russians and all the distance formation people out there already told us. How Joe how did the investigation start? Yeah. Top dopoulos meets with down or in a London, right? The New York Times it the FBI said what what are we investigating? What's the oh? You mean, that's an open question. How they why is it an open question. Because I told you the F B I is hiding something. The top. I'm not talking about the hump workers. We used to we call it shows that in a secret service, not majority. We were the hump sweet did the work. Sure Joe's that middle class that. I don't want people think I'm insulting anyone the upper level Kabbal involved in this investigation of the Trump has insisted from day one. No, no, no. It just started with the popadopoulos Downer tip. And that's why we opened the July thirty two thousand sixteen investigation against Trump. Is that right? He sat right. Why is it that the day before you open the investigation July thirtieth twenty sixteen the day before you open that investigation? The oars Bruce Meli or one who was working for the company hard by Hillary dig up dirt on Trump met with the dossier producer. I talked to had nothing to do with opening the investigation. I thought that's what you told us. I thought it was all popadopoulos the day before they open the case. The oars are passing off information by the producer of the dossier steel to the F B I taught that had nothing to do with it. So why is bar investigating? How would open I thought that was a closed book book close. I have not steered you wrong. You have not been wasting your time. Here I've told you they are hiding something over and over the case did not start with the popadopoulos down or tip. I beat that horse to death. I wanna move did not they're hiding something. Big here. I'll move on. And it'll make a little bit more sense. All right back to the John. Solomon piece says we have known for more than a year. Now that department of Justice inspector General Michael Horowitz has been investigating whether the FBI or DOJ abused. The Pfizer court to secure a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign advisor Carter page less than three weeks from election day, twenty sixteen. This is important but bar made clear Tuesday that his review is this stink and more far-ranging than I g Horowitz's investigation. It goes back to the moment when a probe code-named crossfire. Hurricane was open on July thirty first twenty sixteen by Trump hating FBI counterintelligence agent. Peter stroke, sorry, gave the case was open on July thirty twenty sixteen to meeting between or steel McCabe page is on July thirtieth today before. Why is this important? So again, headline number one bar is investigating himself. What went on with the contact? How it started? I thought we've already been told that take away number two under under under one here. Sub bullet number two. So one be this is not the Horowitz investigation. Why is that critical? Because ladies and gentlemen, Michael Horowitz is not a prosecutor. He is an investigator. There is a significant difference between an investigation being run by the Justice department head Bill bar and an investigation being run by an investigator investigators secret service agents FBI inspectors general do not have subpoena authority. This is important. This is a critical takeaway when I was investigating credit card fraud counterfeit money cases in the secret service to get a subpoena. You have to go to a government prosecutor and assistant United States attorney or someone granted equivalent powers special counsel, whatever it may be from the DOJ Horowitz doesn't have that. The fact that bar is making crystal clear that he's doing a separate investigation with full subpoena. Power is going to be devastating for the cabal of idiots involved in this. Remember, I will insist to you from this point on. I've always insisted this that will continue from this point of this is the greatest spy story ever told. Except it's a story of idiots. There's no JAMES BOND. There's a bond James there's a bond, Jane, there's a Bondo, Jamie. But there is no JAMES BOND. Nece these idiots failed to cover their own tracks and now bar with subpoena. Power is looking into how it started. How it started? We've already been told that no you've been lied to. And he has subpoena power. Both. You wanted some technical subpoena duce, tcm, but other words produce some documents produce some materials bang records. Whatever it may be emails or subpoena ad testify Cottam. In other words, you're going to testify about this. These people are in a world of trouble right now. Now, Devon newness appeared on FOX and friends right before we was it FOX and friends are America's new one of the morning shows right before we got on the air and also seemed to indicate what we've been telling you forever. The case did not start with pop it up. I'll tell you the minute what they're hiding. It's fairly obvious. If you're a regular listener show, but it's important with this new hawk right? Newness said at this morning on FOX's well, the FBI keeps saying the case start on July thirty first twenty sixteen. We believe it started a lot earlier than that. He said this morning possibly back to twenty fifteen all boy who's been lying, folks. This is going to get real good. Okay. So that's takeaway number one, a one b bars investigating. He's investigating. How it started which is going to be a doozy. And he's investigating separate from our wits. Cepeda power on. It's an awesome power. Here's takeaway, number two, the deuce. The inspector General Michael Horowitz. Should we just referred to is now investigating the role of Stephan? How per a piece written up yesterday. It'd be in the show notes by Chuck Ross at the daily caller had tipped the Chuck who broke the helper store, he should get a Pulitzer prize for that. Here's the story. Daily. Caller report DOJ watchdog scrutinizing FBI informant who made contact with the Trump campaign Chuck Ross April nine twenty nineteen. Wow. Folks. I thought we were all Joe are we conspiracy theorists and nuts for claiming the Trump campaign with spider. Remember that? Yes. When I've heard remember when you're open, but we would call that when the CNN and MSNBC lunatics, the slimes and other people out there left this hack on Twitter. Armacost bongino. You guys are crazy you're conspiracy theorists. Really because that's funny. The New York Times put out a piece yesterday acknowledging the fact that helper was used to gather information on the Trump team. The definition of a word spy for all you nut bags on the left Yuccas fast. By New York Times there wasn't informant used to spy on the Trump. What we've told you this the whole time now take away number two yesterday. The inspector general is investigating the use of said spy now there is some sub bullets to this one. This how our investigation by the inspector general is going to be. Nuclear level at its explosive capacity. Let's put up a snippet from Chuck Ross a piece this is important. This is critical. We should put a shirt thing it this is import one of our key. I like how I known campaign contact. This is the spy working for our intelligence entities. I know campaign contact was with Carter page July eleven twenty sixteen. Way early July eleven twenty sixteen. Why does that matter because they told us Joe the case opened on July thirty first of two thousand sixteen so how is the spy contacting the how is that? Joe? How is that? How is it that twenty days earlier, a spy known to the US intelligence community with deep ties to it is contact everyone. Hold on, folks. Everybody scratched their heads. Joe? What's I shall I eleven or July thirty first just so we're clear I need a double check on July thirty first before before after July eleven comes before. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. Eleven it's. No it actually comes after July thirty first comes after. But that's okay. I told you I Spyder I thought you said it was okay, spy you ever, see goodfellas, and he shoots like I bought. Okay. Spider. Paula. Incent? That's triple check this. Maybe I'll get my mother's Paula is July thirty first after July eleventh or before. Okay. Thank you, Paul again. I think right to Joe Evan is before July thirty first it. How is that? Now. It is bullet point number one what bars investigating make sense the FBI. Our case opened on July thirty first twenty sixteen please put up that clip again from Chuck Ross that's amazing because the spy known to the US government contacts Carter page on July eleven twenty sixteen several weeks before the FBI formerly opened its counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. Chuck Ross continues how per page remained in contact you September of two thousand seventeen the same month the government ended it surveillance of page in NATs pastoral church lead. Wow. This is just magic. So this is fascinating. Because we've been told by the FBI repeatedly over and over that George popadopoulos foreign policy adviser to Trump meets with an Australian diplomat in London over this boozy encounter, which is nonsense. Downer himself describes it as one gin and tonic and popadopoulos reveals to him that the Russians have information on Hillary. And this started our investigation on July thirty first of twenty sixteen. Really? So he meets page two weeks prior to them opening up. The case they say doesn't exist yet. Why is this important? Because who is the key player in the dossier? Hillary Clinton's team had put together on Trump. Well, there's two key players in it Carter page and Paul Manafort. What is the government connected intelligence assets? Stephan how for doing contacting a guy who is only a suspect Carter page because of a false fake dossier paid for by Hillary. What are they doing contacting him with a government intelligence asset? If the investigation isn't even open yet. Oh, maybe Bill bar. Get an answer in this investigation into the how. This is just fascinating, by the way, the New York Times putting out a story yesterday. The New York slimes. Putting a story your city outing how how completely. Listen to me, take this check to the Bank cash at spend the money and invest it. You'll never have to give it back. The times got a leak because the FBI now what show is trying to get out in front of this and massage this story in the most gentle way possible they have been voiding for months what here's the Khuda GRA here. Folks, they had been spying on the Trump team way before July thirty first twenty sixteen. The popadopoulos story is a cover story to hide the fact that a US government spa S P. Why Joe Biden would spell it s p I was spying on the Trump team way before they opened up the formal case on July thirty first we know it now, and we know bar is looking into it and bar as evidenced by his reaction to the democrat congresswoman who has no time for the truth gives exactly zero. Ooh about anything. They have to say up there. He is going to get to the truth. And the truth is the FBI to this day is lying about the depths of their involvement in a massive spying scandal on a presidential candidate. One more angle to this. Ladies and gentlemen. The FBI as we indicated in our first book spy gate on this where we cover this in-depth. Please pick it up if you haven't yet. In one of the chapters. We lay out the FBI's own rules for the use of spys, confidential, humid sources, I don't care what you call them. I care what they did. They spied helper was a spy. And Joe was awfully inconvenient in. That is in the laying out of the rules necessary to spy on Americans. You cannot employ a confidential human source until something happens. Joe? A full investigation is open. I'm confused. How is that the FBI and the New York slimes and slimy Cilicia and usefully David corn have been telling us for months that a full investigation was an open on Trump until July thirty first twenty sixteen. How sad if the spy made contact with the Trump team two weeks earlier than the case open, and you can't use a spy until a full investigations open. But the investigation is an open for two weeks later. How is that? Oh, there was an investigation. Already open Bank on it Bank on it, babe. As Joe would say, yes. Cash. The check spend that money. They are lying to you. And bar is all over it. You think that's a mistake in John Solomon's piece? Takeaway number one bars investigating how they opened the investigation. You think that was just some typo? I told you Salomon knows the whole story. They are lying the scandals. Not just that they were spying on Trump team. It's at they've been covering it up. And they still are. No, no, no, it started with popadopoulos. Wow. That's magic because your intelligence asset contacted Carter page who only appears in the dossier, by the way, not in popadopoulos is talk with Downer. And that happened two weeks earlier in the FBI has to open a full investigation in order to use confidential human sources, how'd that happen. This is me scratching my head. Yeah. Also. The FBI excuse me. The department of Justice is now looking into three Michael Horowitz, the inspector general. Contact with Sam Clovis as he lays out Chuck Ross lays out in his piece. This is another critical. Takeaway Sam Clovis was then a senior campaign official with the Trump campaign. We know that this spy the fawn helper made contact with Clovis as well. How's that show? Clovis isn't appear in the dossier. Overseas never been charged with anything. Matter of fact, I thought you just told us this case started with a popadopoulos tip to Downer. What is the US government spy making contact with a political campaign official for who has no connection whatsoever to Russian collusion. Oh, when we love to see the emails about that one. Folks. I'm telling you. This thing is about to erupt. I know some of you were frustrated with the time line. And I understand I respect that your concerns are extremely valid again. Mike Flynn's already been put to the ringer. We had popadopoulos targeted Manafort six AM raids popadopoulos locked up on a PC warranty airport. You're all these people are still running free. I get it point stipulated period. Full stop. You are correct. Your complaints about the speed of Justice are accurate. You complaints about Justice coming or not. Now a fair point. I'll even give you the the comeback to this Justice delayed is Justice denied fair enough. I get it. I agree. So let me just say. Justice delayed is Justice denied, but Justice will not be delayed. Forever is probably a better way to say this maybe give you some or of hope about what's coming. These people are in a world of trouble. Okay. I got one more takeaway here. These are the three major developments. Let's just rewind a bit number one bar is investigating. How this started critical. We've been told how it started. And it's a lie. Secondly, the inspector general is now investigating helper who is an intelligence asset for the United States government and his role in context with the Trump campaign before they started the investigation. This is going to blow this thing wide open. Takeaway number three. Bob Muller declined a review of Bill bars report, I have a video of this. This is important. And it's not as simple as the media's making it out to be. If you listen to my show the other day, you'll understand the layers to this. But this is a little more complicated than this sound bite. Let's on all explain what what is that? Here's Muller describing excuse me Bill bar describing how Muller didn't want to review is report. Did you contemplate having the special counsel's office help you with the preparation of your March twenty four th letter or did you? We offered to have Bob review it before putting it out, and he declined I didn't ask you about reviewing I asked if you thought about having them help prepare the March twenty four th letter. I mean, they did. No, I didn't think about why not because it was my letter. How did I love this Bill Barr? I love this guy. It's Charlie grabs. Charlie. Christie's hapless congressman the guy with the most permanent permit tan I've ever seen in my life. I Charlie Chris. I don't know what he does. He have like one of those easy bake ovens or something at home. But Charlie Chris used to be the governor of Florida. He's really an awful guy. He was a Republican. He couldn't stay at a power. So we switched over to be a democrat. He says, well, you know, I didn't ask if I asked if you ask Bob Muller to help you prepare the report but bars like, well, why would I do that as my letter? And he indicates there that Muller passed on reviewing the letter, you may say so what what's the breaking news. Oh, listen to me, folks. Democrats never ask questions in front of national cameras on C span and cable news like Charlie Chris, they never waste their time on a name questions. They don't have. The answers to. What am I getting at someone told Charlie Chris to answer that question? Why? Well, you remember last week show Bill bar before he was appointed attorney general it was even consideration for the position wrote a memo as a private citizen indicating that the president could not possibly be guilty of -struction of Justice due to the information available publicly for the firing of Jim Komi. That's before bars appointed attorney general before he's even inconsideration. Mahler by refusing to review the letter that exonerates Trump that Bill bar produced. Joe this is this is slick this is game theory by the left. Chris knows that by Muller passing on reviewing the letter. It puts the responsibility. For the exoneration of Trump on the obstruction charge, which Barin Rosenstein, do they say there's just no evidence for this charge. Puts the responsibility on who bar. I told you this last week nothing happens that these hearings by mistake. Everything is fed to these congressmen. They're not smart enough to think of the questions themselves or you thought Charlie started that himself. What are you nuts, folks? Believe me when you run for office, and you meet these people, they're the most unimpressive people on the planet. I mean, it they are seriously unimpressive. I have conversations outside with hard working manual, laborers who I'm telling you are thousand times smarter street smarts and book smarts than these idiots up on capitol. I'm not kidding. Chris had that fed to him. Ask him if Muller assisted in the review because if Malla reviewed the letter, Joe, then what happens the less talking point about bar made a unilateral decision on absolving, Trump of -struction would be gone because Muller would have reviewed the letter. You get them talking about ambush slick. Yeah. Muller knows exactly what's going on here. Let me just read. I got I gotta redo a little bit. What I said last week said this is important yesterday. So Bill Baugh writes this letter he says this four page summary. The mullahs report is to bottom lines bottom line number one. There's no collusion. There's really no dispute about that anymore Muller's even sign because there was no evidence. Now, you may save Muller's not a friend to Trumper bar. Why did he write that because they can't fabricate evidence? There was no collusion because there was no collusion. It's not a judgment call you either have evidence of a conspiracy or you. Don't Muller had no choice. He wasn't doing Trump of stop saying Muller exonerated Trump. He didn't Trump exonerated Trump. There was no the Bank wasn't rob Muller. Can't charge Trump with a Bank robbery, and it didn't happen. It's black or white, folks. Either the Bank was robbed or it wasn't either. There's evidence of a conspiracy with Russia, or there's not there isn't Muller had to write that. But Muller hates Trump. So. So in order to keep the air of suspicion over the Trump campaign. They wanted to charge him with obstruction of structures a judgment call. It's the equivalent of with the MVP we had disorderly conduct some cops would charge disorderly conduct for screaming industry about something. It's a judgment call. It's a judgment call. Because Muller knows it's a judgment. Call who's judgment? Does. He want on the record. Bars. Charlie Chris knows this because bars already written a memo before he got into the position indicating that obstructions nonsense. So what's the Democrats line going to be thinking through all listen, he was already predisposed to say and Trump was guilty of obstruction? Look at this Bill bar giving him a pass. Now, you may say, well that doesn't make sense because if Muller has evidence of obstruction why not charge Trump or charge him in a it is report. Because you can't indict a sitting president. But write it out in a report show and let them use it for impeachment. An after Trump's impeach charge him with structure when he leaves office. I explained this last week because they have no evidence of -struction Trump asked Jim Komi to investigate people guilty of malfeasance on his team McCain's admitted under oath. There's no evidence Muller would never in a million years taken impeached, President Trump removed from office to trial on an obstruction charge. So he does the slimy est thing possible he passes the football to bar he lets bar make the call bar reads, the evidence on obstruction realizes would Rosenstein it's garbage says there's no obstruction. We're not going to charge him gives the letter to Muller Muller says I don't want to see this. They then pass a question off the Lakers. Aided Muller of you. No. He didn't review it. Oh, he didn't. Also, what was bars called the guy who wrote the memo before this is typical democrat. Sleaze ary of the Mt. Eighth degree. So take away number three. We now have it on record. That Muller did not want to review. The why would he not want her? If that's insane. Joe you're an investigator. Bob Muller for the government investigating a crime. I'm reviewing your report, my writer, four page, synopsis of what you say, you're not even remotely interested in seeing it. Folks, read between the lines. Muller is becoming a full blown liberal activists. That question was fed to Chris to now setup suspicion. That bars corrupted. Unreal. On believable. So takeaway, number three Muller declined to review the letter A for no good reason whatsoever. Other than to put the blame on bar and to punt on on a judgment, call to bar to make bars judgement appear suspect. All right. I got another tactical nuke that one off yesterday again hat tip that at John w Huber account got Twitter. Just a really good job. 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The FBI in the special counsel's office have determined that this closure of the Komi memos or any portions of them could be reasonably expected to adverse effect depending Russia investigation. Listen to this boy, former FBI director James B Komi is a witness in the pending investigation. The call me memos or his contemporaries notes about the incidents that are of interest in that investigation. They are call me as a witness. Why? How is Jim call me a witness? What investigation. Folks, you may be saying at home, Dan, clearly Komi was a witness in an investigation to the Russia probe. No, no, no, no, no, ladies and gentlemen. I spent an awful lot of time in federal local law enforcement, and I can assure you, I have never had a criminal case. I worked in the secret service where the secret service director, no matter who it was loom lady or whoever after that. I was like three or four of them. I worked for I can assure you they were never a witness in my case. I can also assure you that there is not a snowball's chance in hell. The chimp Komi is a witness in this Russia gate probe. Jim Komi has said repeatedly under oath repeatedly. I don't know. I can't recall he was not the investing please pick up. What I'm putting down here. Comi was not the investigator. The investigator was Peter stroke in the Russia gate probe. One of the other investigators was that gator guy. My gator who met with steel in London two weeks prior. Oh, two weeks prior to her crossfire hurricane opened up. How was that? I thought it opened July thirty first. Yeah, you're wrong. Komi is not the investigator. That is not the case. They're talking about that he is a witness in. All right. So what are you getting that? What case is call me a witness in. Komi is clearly a witness in the obstruction probe against Donald Trump. Ladies and gentlemen. This is big MRs really big why? Because it's commes firing that prompts the obstruction probe we now know according to these same court filings that Komi gives his memos about his interactions with Donald Trump to Andrew McCabe before before. Muller is even appointed a special counsel. So how is our this is Donald Trump, the president United States who has full of thirty to hire or fire. The FBI director for whatever reason he sees fit a point acknowledged by Jim Komi himself under oath. Fires the FBI director pursuant to a memo written by rod Rosenstein about Jim commes stupid, mistakes and malfeasance. Kobe turns around if he's fired gives the memos to his deputy directors buddy McCabe who then starts an investigation to the president for firing his boss. Where Komi becomes a witness later on? There's doubt they've state conspiracy theorists. Are you sure you elected the president United States who has full executive authority report fire terminate these people at his discretion. He fires them pursuant to a memo written by his attor deputy attorney general to fired FBI director, then institutes at deep state investigation to take down the same president to fire them by giving his memos to Andy MacKay. Now, you may say well, Dan, you open this up talking about the Muller probe. And how you believe it may prove you, correct? Oh, I did. I've told you repeatedly Muller is not hired to investigate collusion. It's all hoax Muller's hired in may of twenty seventeen. He knows immediately at the latest July of twenty seventeen although I'll make the case, and I have any new probably way before that because his lead investigator, Andrew Weissmann. Joe already knows the dossier. That's the bedrock of the collusion case is a Clinton campaign document. He was briefed on it twenty sixteen. You tracking me that's right Muller's lead. Investigator knows the whole case is based on a hoax dossier Muller is not hired to investigate collusion. His lead. Investigator knows it's a hoax. He was briefed on the hoax. Mahler is hired from day. One. To investigate obstruction. Why because it's a judgment call. You don't need the Bank to be rob. You can just make a judgment that. You think the Bank was robbed, and they could have kept this obstruction case open forever to dismantle the Trump presidency. Which was exactly why sman and Muller's intent the only thing that stopped them is the appointment of Bill bar and subsequently before is acting Matthew Whitaker to run the Justice department. That's the only thing that swallows. This thing down. That's why it stops. Let me give you an example. What I mean why this is important? If I'm trying to destroy Joe's career Joe's, the president United States accused show being involved in a check kiting scandal. I'm eventually check kiting when you send checks to credit card companies bounce you use that period to run up your account. Eventually, I'm going to need cancel checks and records from the credit card company. It's abundantly obvious. If I hire a guy to help me investigate Joe. Who fabricated evidence against Joe, it's abundantly obvious that the cases of fraud from day one. But if I want to keep investigating Joe to ruin his life because I can't produce credit card records. There are none and nor can I produce a canceled check because Joe wasn't kiting checks. But if I want a high this elicit investigation conducted by my lead investigator now using the target show the best way to do. It is the started judgment crime investigating next because it's your judgment. You don't ever have to produce a significant amount of evidence, you can just Leach it out over time. Gotcha. And hope the president makes a public statement. Oh, that's obstruction. That's obstruction. That's that's that's baloney smo- Pery in the teeth degree. Yeah. All you do is wait for Joe. Who's the president? I say it's keep making public statements and everything he says is going to be evidence of obstruction. Oh, he talked to Lester Holt and NBC and said that the Russian thing was a made up story when he fired Komi construction. The evidence is the investigation. The investigation becomes the evidence. You leave a judgment call investigation open. You wait for any public statement. By the president you use every public statement as evidence of the obstruction charge your keeping open to destroy the presidency. Now does this snippet from the court filings? Now does this Jim Komi was a witness make sense, man? He was clearly a witness in this open ended obstruction case for his own firing. This is incredible. This is the status Shing the balls level of cajones. I know how to say could it's a family friendly show. It's friendlier saying it cajones. We you get it. Trump fires. This guy for grotesque malfeasance who then goes back uses his contacts within the FBI to initiate a full blown investigation into Trump. He then reconnects with his buddy Muller. They know they love each other. He reconnects with Muller as the primary witness against Trump for his firing on a totally judgment. Call. That's completely authorized by the president's own powers. Ladies and gentlemen, the hubris. Here is stunning. Jim Komi was a witness in an obstruction case kept open because the collusion case. Jim Komi started was a complete failure. This is on believable. Unbelievable again hat tip that undercover Huber account for Poland that out of there that is a terrific fine Komiya witness. He's not a witness to the collusion probe. They're using commies a witness to obstruction because he hates Trump is this huge. Yeah. And now, we know he gives the memo's to do McCabe before Muller's even hired. Hey, buddy. You want to start an investigation against that guy would just far be Orangemen bad. Let's do it. Love the liberal fares. Now they've start. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Guys, keep that up idiots morons morons. So stupid. All right moving on. I have two videos here. This is I'm gonna call this. The I didn't say this is kind of a little bit of a fight as a very serious shown anybody on a little bit of a kind of a funny note. And I may even by funny. I don't mean funny. What happened to these people? But funny, and how clueless the Democrats recall the I didn't say that. Semi montage here. I I want to play some outstanding video short of Candace Owens. He's worse for turning-point USA conservative activists happens to be a black female, which is relevant to any of us in the listening audience. But of course, matters to the left that loves identity politics. Kansas is excellent defending yourself. So Candice is up on Capitol Hill yesterday for hearing on social media and the absolutely hapless democrat hack. Ted lieu this congressman a debunked conspiracy theorists. Nut who would really as grasp what reality is tenuous at best tries to impugn the character of Kansas Owens, by intimated. Insinuating somehow. That she's like a fan of Hitler, which is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard my life. But listen to how can this Owens response to this? Because the because this is what you have to do when you ever debating liberals, you just have to call them out of their Bs 'cause they make everything up play they cut. Thank you, miss Owen. I'm sorry. We just started recording. Would you like time to respond to that? Yes. I think it's pretty apparent that? Mr. loop believes that black people are stupid and will not pursue the full clip in its entirety. He purposely, presented an extract Nick strategy. Suspend for moment is not proper to refer disparagingly or to a member of the committee. The witness will not do that. Again. We're just may continue. Sure. Even I was called despicable witness may not refer to a member of the committee stupid. I didn't refer to him as stupid. That's what I said. It's not what I said at all. He didn't listen to what I said. Lee's Roro tricky, folks, please if you don't mind, even if you listened on audio and the audio covers most go to the YouTube account, YouTube dot com slash up on Gino. Please check out the video because I just want you to see Jerry net. Joe you saw it you see Jerry Nadler's face hack, democrat congressman Jerry, Nadler, another conspiracy theorists Jerry Nadler's face because he he's so not used to strong woman like Candice Owens calling him on his BS. Oh, that's what I said that that's not what I said. Did you not listen to me Nadler goes whatever I didn't say that. And then I love Candice Owens, opening Mr Liu Ted lieu the other conspiracy theorist who tries to impute our character saying you supports Hitler. I love her opening line. Mr. Luther black people are stupid, and they won't watch over for you can call it. This guy is nut at lose. Like you. Gotta see loose face. Looks even dumber than nether. It's classic. So that's the first Democrats trying to put Kansas who wants to not call Ted lieu stupid, although he is pretty stupid, by the way, I would have happily called stupid because he is. She said that they that Lou thinks black people are stupid and I loved that. She defends herself I didn't say that. And of course, you can't you can't play that without playing Bill bar calling out. Another democrat congresswoman who again tries to put words in people's mouth is very clear that he opposed it. And so let it work out in legislation. I. I want you to very I want you to be very let me finish my question. Because that's what I heard. Maybe you need to clarify where truth is never the truth. There's the truth at you. There's no like your truth by true to let me give you an example. Maybe liberals basic math to figure this out up. Joe? Let's do it diagram. Hold up a piece of paper. We have a sharpie in here somewhere. I got to do you ever sharpie out there, Paul? Let's do this. This is the truth, folks. Democrats watch two plus two equals four. Okay. Two plus two week was four you can see that. That is not your true. That's just the truth. I played them on the little, you know. That's not what I say. Because that's what the Democrats want you to be there. Truth matters the truth. That's not what Kansas. Oh and said, and it's not what Bill Boston. But you see crap. Like this all the time and it's super frustrating. Man thought we just end on a kind of semi humorous note today. All right. I've got some more stuff tomorrow to try to get to this John Kerry thing I couldn't get to it today. But John Kerry just getting completely own Joe keep that for tomorrow, paulie, to by by Congressman, Tom Massie, John Kerry, getting just destroy basic environmental questions, isn't they good also play that tomorrow. And I don't wanna tie it into a OCD thing. She did on the religion of environmentalism because it's become a religion. So we'll play that tomorrow. So sorry for throwing a curveball into the show. But it's this stack stuff today. All right, folks. Thanks again for tuning in. I really appreciated police subscribe to YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash Bongino. You can also subscribe to the audio show on itunes soundcloud. Iheartradio. Please subscribe it helps us move up. The charts helps other people find the show. We don't have a huge marketing budget here. So our growth is been organic to use the buzzword and is entirely attributable to us. So we really deeply appreciate. Support. You just heard the Dan Bongino show. 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Biden targets Trump: My motto is "Make America moral again", Growing number of Republicans troubled by Trump's Fed pick, Washington Post: Mueller took issue with Barr's depiction of findings

Erin Burnett OutFront

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Biden targets Trump: My motto is "Make America moral again", Growing number of Republicans troubled by Trump's Fed pick, Washington Post: Mueller took issue with Barr's depiction of findings

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Out front next worried about Biden, the White House repeatedly bringing up the twenty twenty runner unprovoked why plus new Republicans raising concerns about the president's pick for the Federal Reserve this CNN's K violent or it's more damning comments from Stephen Moore. What's going on here and a CNN exclusive Boeing admitting a crucial safety alert didn't work on all the seven thirty seven max planes steam planes involved in two deadly crashes. Let's go out front. And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight, Biden on their minds, the White House taking notice of a man who is now head and shoulders above his twenty twenty opponents. Now, Joe Biden, the former vice president about to speak to a crowd of supporters in the crucial state of Iowa. They are live pictures of the event it'll begin any moment as Biden today intensifies attacks against Trump. Limited to four years. This administration will go down in history. As an advert moment in time, but give eight years of this administration in the White House. We're gonna forever and fundamentally changed the character of the country Biden's attacks, frankly, taking the White House off its game today. The president tweeted about Biden four times yesterday. But today when his top aide, Kellyanne Conway was asked about infrastructure, which was V topic of the day or the White House. She included this in her answer. Again. The question was how does President Trump plan to pavers infrastructure plan Kellyanne? Middle-class is booming now, despite what Joe Biden says he also just sounds like someone who wasn't vice president for eight years, but him aside and his nonsense to say on the subject of Biden since he's hovering over everything. Now, I'm just curious if he's dumped a bomb, Biden cowardice he against infrastructure. He's been in government for nearly fifty years. Why why are the bruise enriches probably? Did you hear the word infrastructure was actually in there? I'm glad I'm glad at got in there. Look again, the question there to Kellyanne was about how Trump would papers infrastructure plan. It was not about Joe Biden, you sort of get the sense that Joe Biden's on her mind. In front of in several times on. How is it on proximate? He's your. It was on prompted Kellyanne. Because no one asked you, but Conway is right Biden is the clear front runner as of now thirty nine percent of Democrats say Biden is their top toys. That's according to our new poll tonight, which puts Biden more than twenty points ahead of Bernie Sanders, the closest competitor and a new poll from Quinnipiac this afternoon. Mir's CNN's results are lead. Sands is out front live at Biden's rally in Iowa so Arlette, what are you expecting from Joe Biden tonight? Well, Erin, Joe Biden, we'll be taking the stage here in Dubuque injustice shore while it his debut trip to Iowa as twenty twenty presidential candidate. And earlier today he was very clearly trying to keep the focus on President Donald Trump going after Trump for his tax cuts saying that he is a president that abuses power Biden has really refrained from engaging with his democratic opponents like Bernie Sanders who over the past twenty four hours has been trying to stake out these clear differences between himself in the former vice president when it comes to policy. Calling outs same citing differences in their votes on NAFTA. And the Iraq war today Biden was directly asked about that criticism from Bernie Sanders as he stopped at an ice cream shop here in Iowa reporter asked him about that and Biden simply said that he is proud of his record, and that he'll be ready to engage with his democratic opponents in those primary debate. What's that? I bait being less than two months away. But this is Joe Biden's third run for president. He's been here to Iowa countless times before, but he's never come to the state as a front runner leading that democratic pack today, Biden did an interview with radio Iowa here in the state and said that he doesn't feel any pressure as as the front runner, but he is going to work like the devil here in Iowa to win. He told a crowd earlier today in Cedar Rapids that no one is going to work harder in Iowa than Joe Biden. Erin arlette. Thank you very much. And I want to go down to Troy price chairman of the Democratic Party who worked for President Obama's reelection campaign and Hillary Clinton's campaign. Our thanks for being with me. So you heard our let going through what Biden told radio Iowa today. I don't feel any pressure. I'm going to work like the devil, obviously. To polls today show him to be the front runner by far. But, you know, the national polls as we know don't matter. What matters is the state. Because that the case in Iowa. Well, I think there's no doubt that vice president Biden starts with an advantage. You know, he is worked our brand twice now in the state nineteen eighty seven and two thousand seven he's got a strong network in the state, and he's going to be able to tap into that as he hits the ground here now, but it's still very early. And there's a lot of people out there. A lot of people. I talked to who are undecided about who they're going to support on caucus day. So I think there's a lot of time left. And I think we're gonna have a lot of fun between now and caucus back. How long this? This thing is going to go on parlementary. Like all we do is campaign whenever governs. That's an editorial note by me. Okay. But clinton. I will caucus Troy when you talk about who won by point three of a percentage point over Bernie Sanders. Okay. He came in at forty nine point six. So obviously, people know him they liked him Biden, you know, as you point out, right? He's been to Iowa before. But the last time he competed there in two thousand eight he got point nine of a percentage point finishing fifth. That is nothing to be proud of the Sanders and others have a leg up. I mean, if you're as well known as Joe Biden. Do you have something to be concerned about? Well, I think that I mean, listen, there's no doubt the Senator Sanders also has a built in advantage from the fact that he has infrastructure still in place from four years ago. But you know, like, I said this is still anyone's race at this point. And I think that, you know, the vice president certainly has strong relationships here from those relationships from his past campaigns. Plus also his time as vice president he made several trips into the state both both in twenty twelve and as vice president. And so, you know, he's going to have a nice a place to start off with from. But there's like I said there's still a lot of time. This really comes down to who's going to build the infrastructure and who's going to put in the hard work voters in every county in the state. I want to bring in Jen Psaki who knows Joe Biden, very well. And was the White House communications director for President Obama and obviously worked on his campaign. So you know, has been, you know, a up close with Joe Biden many over many years Bill Kristol editor at large of the bulwark and founder of the weekly standard. Also with me. Okay. Bill. All right know, and our viewers know your feelings on the current president of the United States. You heard Biden he is he's taken on Trump. He's doing it aggressively. That's his main focus would you vote for him. I don't know if he's going to be the nominee. But I look I think it's smart of him as a campaign strategy one question about Joe Biden said to poor runs really for the presidency successful vice president for eight years, but that was really I'm Barack Obama's coat tails, obviously. And so did he, you know, what do you have a strategy apart from just I'm Joe Biden, I've been here. A long time. I was Brock Obama's vice president, and he does have a strategy strategies to run against Donald Trump not against the other fifteen or twenty it whatever there are Democrats kind of adore them, ignore them. And just take on Trump be polite to everyone else and convinced democratic voters, and he's starting critics strong place that he can be Trump. He can match up with Trump. He takes up all of these other guys. They're nice guys younger people mostly they're going to squabble a little bit with themselves about this detail of policy or who's a little more liberal or progressive on this or that. And I don't think I tend to still be a bit of a Biden skeptic American politics, usually go backwards, you know, and and elect someone who has been around for so long vice president. Before so to speak. But I I think he's running an intelligent campaign so far. All right. So Jen to this point about going backwards and also as a nominee nominating someone older, right? That's not the way Democrats, usually go, right? You spent two campaign cycles on the campaign trail with Obama Biden was obviously there so so as I said, you know, him very well you've been with him. A lot has changed over just these past few years is Joe Biden ready for this. We'll see I think part of what delayed his announcement was that he was talking to his campaign team about how hard this was going to be that this is not going to be a coordination that there are a lot of candidates with a lot of excitement a lot of support behind them. And that the gloves would be off. And they were right. The gloves have been off since the day in. Now, he was running. I think what should be encouraging to them is in the CNN poll and other polls his support is pretty strong. It's also strong under some very important demographic groups, including African American women now that's contrary to what. You may see on Twitter, but that's encouraging for them. I don't think right now, he's running as Bill said this campaign kind of highbrow campaign against Donald Trump. He wants to position himself as being the best general election candidate, that's a strategy. But you know, Bernie Sanders is running a brass knuckled campaign to take him out in the primary you have to get through the primary to get to the general election. So I think it's got to be more than that between now and the primary start, and I expect we'll see more than that. And and you know, Bill, here's the thing. Joe Biden is saying he doesn't want Obama's endorsement Obama sitting this out and to some that may sound strange like the Ken endorsed, Joe Biden and your Barack Obama. But on the last he said, he's going to wait out the primaries, right? Joe Biden says that's fine. I don't need him. However, his new campaign video would use his Obama's voice. And actually something said when he gave Joe Biden in the medal of honor. So here's Joe Biden's video today. Has made me better president he could not have been a more effective partner in the progress that we've made. And then on the stump today. He continued. Here's Joe Biden. We choose hope over fair. We choose unity over division. We true truth over lies, and we chose science over fiction. Sounds familiar because it is. We are choosing hope over food. Choosing unity over division and sending a powerful message. That change is coming to America. Yeah. Well, why is Joe Biden to thirty eight thirty nine percent right now not because he was a Senator for thirty plus years because he was Barack Obama's vice president Bronco baba is extremely popular with the Democratic Party two-term president and he's got to play that card. I I agree with John though at some point, but he can do this for couple of months. Maybe I think he'll stay. He he's built a nice little lead here. But at some point the primary becomes a real primary a real fight. And at some point he has to defend various votes various positions distinguish himself from other candidates. And I do wonder at that point weather, as you said earlier suggest the normal democratic tendency, which was to go younger when you're, you know, the the Democrats who Republicans. Little bow backwards. Obama Clinton Carter John Kennedy, even Franklin Roosevelt think the all the Democrats who replaced Republicans in the White House and the last century the average age is something like forty eight. I mean, they're all that's been the tendency of Democrats. So look all the walls are gone and Trump changed everything. And who knows? But I I think I think by up to a good start. But I kind of Jason needs to have a pivot at some point where he explains okay going forward. What's my vision does age matter, obviously, Joe Biden's, only a few years older than than the sitting president? But does does age matter from where you sit what you're hearing from voters. Well. Well, I think what matters is who's going to put in the work, and they want to know that someone who's going to be able to go out there and fight every day between now and the caucuses and fight every day from the caucuses to the general election. And then more importantly fight every day in the White House for them and fight on the issues that matter to them. That's what people are looking for. That's what they're going to be looking at when they talk to these candidates, and they size them up over the coming months. And I look forward to the conversations that islands are going to have with the vice president and all the other candidates that are running so John, you know, obviously, it's purposeful. We choose hope over fear unity over division. Right. Those are exactly the words Bronco. Right. He's doing it on purpose. Is that all good? Or does that carry the great risk for Joe Biden? Look, I think right now he's wrapping himself in the cloak of a popular former democratic president, you always get more popular when you leave office. There's no doubt about that. And he remains very popular among the democratic electorate. But if if an endorsement of a popular democrat would win wins an election, Hillary Clinton would be sailing to her reelection right now, and she's not. So I think Joe Biden needs to be mindful of that and he needs to pivot to what he's about what he's going to represent how he's moving. Thanks for it. He did a little bit of that today where he talked about the fifteen dollar minimum wage and buying into the public option. But I think when voters start to tune in they're going to want more. I mean the poll today was interesting too because he ninety seven percent of people knew him only fifty one percent knew about his policies. So he's going to have to define that. So that they have something to bite into when they're really making a decision down the down the road when people are really tuning in post. Labor day. All right. Thank you all and next more controversial comments surfacing from Stephen Moore. As a growing number of Republicans are raising serious concerns about Trump's pick for the Federal Reserve. Comments like that sheer? Don't make me happy. I'm sure they don't make you happy either. Plus a rare moment in Washington between Democrats and President Trump. We agreed on a number which was very very good. I mean, it was it was all wonderful things. Platitudes what's going on? And then. It is time for us to address the ugly stain of slavery. That is a part of our history. Our reparations becoming the Democrats litmus test. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. 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Officiant if it quote simply required every American household to write a twenty dollar check to the radical feminist group of its choice comments like these have Republican senators like, Marsha Blackburn. Not happy. Comments like that? Sure. Don't make me happy. I'm sure they don't make you happy. Either. Dave. He is the nominee will guarantee you one thing. This is something that will absolutely come up in that conversation. Absolutely. Okay. Jodi, Ernst says she would be unlikely to vote for more if he were nominated, and it isn't just women, nor should it. Be just women who would be incensed by comments like those Senator Lindsey Graham today describing Moore's potential nomination as very problematic. Moore told CNN tonight that he wants to sit down with all of them and say, quote, I'm not anti woman. Montage was out front mono. How much trouble is more in significant amount of trouble? He is actually not even been formally nominated by the White House for this position. But already the publican senators are saying don't even bother sending up the paperwork to officially nominate him because the chances of getting confirmed are incredibly slim, that's because there are fifty three Republican senators they would need to lose. No, more than three Republican senators in order to get his nomination through and already ward them three or signaling significant concerns, you name some of them, including Joni earns to communicate with the White House that you'd be unlikely to get confirmed if he does actually get nominated and other Republican senators are saying that they will be unlikely to vote for him. Now Moore told CNN tonight that he does not plan to step aside at the moment. But ultimately, this will be a decision Erin for the White House. What do they wanna put the colleagues through this kind of fight which more would undoubtedly get scrutinized for his writings and Republicans have to take a tough vote because Democrats are signaling that they are going to vote in unison against his nomination. And one key Republican Senator John thune, the number two Republican told CNN, you have to know you're going to have to you telling the White House, they should know that anomalies we'll get this kind of analysis or scrutiny. It'd be helpful. If they knew that before they nominated. These individuals. All right. Thank you very much. I want to go to Joe Walsh, national fares correspondent the nation and rob asked Torino member of President Trump's twenty twenty reelected visory council. Joan these comments from more. This is the I I've. No long time. I've never personally heard him speak this way at all. But this is over many years. It's extremely consistent. It's disqualifying. It's absolutely disqualifying. I think that we will see his nomination not come to fruition. I, you know, let's watch Twitter tonight and tomorrow, I think even this president is going to have a hard time with that. But I just have to say I think Steve Moore has been trying out on TV and in op Ed columns for this job. And he impressed the president before his willingness to just back him whatever he used to be a deficit. Hawk deficits are terrible now deficits, you're fine. He used to be a hike interest rates under Obama now. No, the the whole fed should be gone. They should lower industries under Trump. So he's been looking for someone to do with bidding. And he thinks he found him. But I don't think this is gonna work. I mean, just remind people some of what more said another column this from two thousand complain about his wife voting for. Democrats writing quote women are so malleable, no wonder, there's a gender gap. And then there are things like this on this show. I and most Americans love a woman who stands by her man. That's what a wife should do in standby. Her husband. I wanted to make sure we extended it. So you could see my reaction to that. Rob. Thought of that is that a husband should stand by his wife to good one route. Yeah. There you go. Okay. Here's here's the thing. How does this happen? That they even get to this point. Right. They come out they publicly say they want this guy. They're going to put this guy out. They're going to end. And you know, this is all sitting there. Will I think they properly vetted somebody before they put him out here? But having said that the question comes down to fifty three senators, or at least fifty in the Republican rank and file find this to be so onerous find it to be so terrible that they would not vote for somebody who based on his background is very qualified the club for growth is a very mainstream conservative economic think tank, which he started most of these senators, I would guess all fifty three have had interactions with not just Stephen Moore. But with the club for growth throughout their careers. So he's not out of the mainstream on economics. He would go, and maybe disrupt the fed a little bit. But he's be one of seven. So he wouldn't be the deciding factor do something silly like the gold standard. But yet if this is your economic view, then you have some serious issues. And I mean this. The male needs to be the breadwinner of the family, and one of the reasons I think you've seen the decline of the family not just in the black community. But also it's happening now in the white community as well is because women are more economically, self sufficient. Wow. You know? I mean, some of this probably makes him more qualified now your job was open. I was winning for Jones. Open to the family is I look again, I've known Steve Moore for a long time. I am shocked to see all this stuff. Do have to take with some of what rob said in terms of him being qualified. He is a partisan person. He is not an economist someone with a doctorate who really has been studying the economy he has been advocating for a long time. Rob and using the club for growth is mainstream. I call it extremists. But whatever we can about bad. Not. But that does not qualify you to be on the fed. And I think I will be surprised if the president Braves this storm and bushes him Republican Senator, okay? This is a problem. We asked you because John thune points out come on guys do your work before you put these people out here and put us in a horrible position. Right. And other words, take a hike Steve Moore. But my question to you is why do they have a vetting problem? Or did they know about this kind of stuff, and frankly, not care because women is not an issue this president cares about? No, I disagree with that. And I do think look if they if they vetted him and saw some of these and didn't think there would be completely problematic. Some are some aren't some people are going to be able to pooh-poohed and say it was done ingest or humor, some we're going to have some serious problems with it. And clearly, we know which ones those are are they hurdle that he could overcome. I do think he can it's not like Herman Cain where they were sexual abuse allegations. Or misconduct allegation. Coun-? Rob though, he says he wants to sit down and say, I am not. What was the exact words here? I'm just looking here. I'm not okay. When when he says, the male needs to be the breadwinner, and the reason you're saying they decline of the family, and it's happening in the white community is well, it's because women were economically self sufficient, and I I don't I don't understand rob. How one can recover from that. I was sitting at the C span. So wasn't a joke. That's a. I mean, that's a focus on the family. That's a that's a kind of right wing, mainstream right-wing point of view. But that's really not something. Economists should be advocating overlooking. We're making it sound like every. No wonder there's a gender gap sent rally feminist group of Choi choice don't pass through the violence. That's mount. Do you think that a guy can sit down, and yes, sure, he's he's a likable guy in person people suddenly say, okay, you know, water under the. I think they're going to be more. They want to explanation on what he has written in what he meant. But they're going to they're going to want more information on what his policies would be. And that's what he'd be doing on the fed to say that the Federal Reserve Board nominees of both parties are not political is a joke. Every one of those air every one of those appointees came through the system came through their party. And there's a reason they got the plummets to Plum picks. It's because they donate it to the party or the president. It's because they've come through the party, and they've known people. So it shouldn't be any different for someone like Stephen Moore. Take put aside for a second the things that he wrote it shouldn't be any different that he was picked because he's been bombed in conservative party politics. They sometimes buck their president though. Let's just say that. All right. Thank you. All okay next. Breaking news. The Washington Post reporting Robert Muller took issue with the Torney general Bill summary and told him directly. That it failed to capture the quote, Tom Tech's nature and substance of his investigation. This is just breaking at this hour, obviously, a hugely significant development that reporters who broke that is out front next and the debate over reparations picking up steam in the democratic primary. Cash payouts. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Breaking news. Robert Muller raised concerns to the attorney general to Bill bar, and he raised those concerns about the letter member of the bar letter. Right. And Muller said that the bar letter claimed the principal conclusions of Muller report. Right. You remember that that was the letter according to the Washington Post says Muller told bar and his own letter that the depiction of his findings in that bar memo failed to capture the quote, context nature and substance of the Mueller probe out front. Now. One of the Washington Post reporters who is breaking the story tonight, Matt's epitaph ski and CNN Justice department. Correspondent Laura Jarrett, Matt. So tell me what you know, when when how Muller did this when give us the details as you have them. Yeah. You have to flesh back to kind of late March. When Muller ends his investigation, and then a couple of days later, Bill Barr rights, four page letter to congress that just lays out molars principal conclusions than those by bills Baras telling our Muller couldn't find coordination between Trump and Russia, and he didn't come to a conclusion on obstruction. And that's it. I think there were two quotes from the Muller report. So in the days after that, we're still in late March Muller writes, a letter so Bob Muller to Bill bar saying for all intents and purposes, you've mischaracterized my work in this really jeopardizes public faith in the investigation. This summary is in fair, they ended up having a phone call hashing this out even more Muller. Very importantly wants to release more information. They don't do that. And you know, but. Eventually more information is released. Okay. So he writes a letter to bar, and then there's a conversation a phone conversation where they actually speak. Okay. Now. I know you you have a lot more of the letter. So the letter that again, this is a letter Muller rights to bar. Also says quote, there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation this threatens to undermine the central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. Matt could you just lay out how unprecedented of a move? This is to come from Muller. Right. Who who's never speaks never says? I wanna talk in a second about the significance is about that. You're learning about it now. But just I the fact that he sent this letter that he said bar was mischaracterizing that he talked to him on the phone. How significant is that? So Muller is just so buttoned up. He barely said. Anything over the course of his prohibition one time, he kind of emerges to dispute a BuzzFeed story. So anytime molar says anything. He thinks about it at great length. And it's of great consequence. And he surely knows putting this down in a letter is going to memorialize it. This is going to become a part of history, and he's for all intents and purposes, disputing how Bill bar has cast his work. I mean, everyone can kind of read his full report now and come to their own conclusion. But it's just a remarkable thing for a guy who is so chain of command. So by the book to go to go outside and kind of question his boss like what are you doing? And do it on paper in a way that he knows it's going to become public. He knew that would eventually happened. So what do, you know, Matt bars response when he gets this letter, and obviously then you know, who chose to follow up the phone call or what happened, but what was bars response. So this is just different people's perspectives. Right. But from the Justice department perspective from Bill bars perspective, he is taken aback. He offered Muller by his account. He offered Muller the chance. To review that four page letter that he sent to congress and Muller decline the opportunity to do. So so Bill bar the way it's described to us tonight is thinking of Benchley, I'm going to release this report. Everything's good. And then he gets this letter and is shocked like oh my gosh. I didn't realize there was this level of discontentment. He then calls Muller. I think as I described before and they talk it out Muller than wants to release the executive summaries for people who've read the report, there's these pretty extensive some are getting of each section roller wants to release those and even suggest some redaction. So it's easier to do but Bill bar doesn't want to do that. He still wants to proceed on course to releasing everything at once. And eventually, that's what happens just a couple of weeks ago. Do you have any idea Matt as to why so Muller is obviously feels that bar misrepresents the nuance. This he he he feels that way. But you're saying bar gave him the opportunity to review the ladder, the bar, summary and Muller didn't take do. You know, why? Why why Malar didn't take it? I don't know. Why Muller didn't take it? I mean, certainly the way the process would normally work. It's the attorney general's kind of decision on what to tell congress, and maybe molar at as we've talked about he's so by the book, he's so chain of command. He figures Bill bars, my friend. He's a Justice department veteran. He's going to handle this the right way. Then it's handled in a way Muller. Clearly feels is the wrong way. And he has to interject. But you know, I'm really just speculating now, I don't know specifically why molar declines that opportunity one final question team at when he takes issue with how bar summarized it. Do you know any specifics as to specific things that he thought were mischaracterize was it all obstruction wasn't on. How collusion was characterized or do, you know any of those specifics? Yes. So for him personally. We don't really know what's beyond the letter and what we've reported in our story. But before this we had reporting that members of his team were frustrated particularly with the characterization on obstruction. They've felt the. Case they laid out. There was so much more damaging and compelling than Muller couldn't make a decision which is how Bill bar describe it. So that was particularly frustrating to members of his team. But as far as what is on molars mind, personally, really only know what is in this letter. All right, Matt, thank you very much. Obviously a hugely significant development in this story. I appreciate your taking the time. Obviously, I want to go. Now, we've got we've got a lot of people here to talk through this because this is an important development. Former Nixon White House counsel John dean joins me on the phone. I John what's your reaction to Matt? And his teams reporting again Muller telling bar the depiction of his findings by bar and that letter failed to capture the quote, context nature and substance of the Muller probe. Pretty devastating report, particularly on the eve of are going to congress to have to testify on this very subject tomorrow before the Senate Judiciary committee. He's going to be grilled he'd better be prepared. Because it's clear he was spending. What the special counsel? Did. He didn't do it accurately. The special counsel has called him on it. And he'd better have some very good answers by tomorrow morning. So. Bar obviously accused of misleading congress when it came to the principal conclusions on another matter. Right. When he was was the. On the central issue of. And I know Matt said it could be because he's by the book. Right. But bar writes the summary. He gives her the chance to review at Muller does not then Muller doesn't like it. And proceeds with his own letter. Why do you think Muller chose to not read it? I think that it was clearly under the regulations his requirement to turn the report over his report to the attorney general, and then for the attorney general's deal with it accordingly, and when the attorney general's dealt with it publicly and inaccurately he called him on it. And apparently from the reporting not only was bar surprise. But the people in the department of Justice were somewhat skunked by the by the result of the special counsel calling the attorney general they realized that he had probably misrepresented their work. And and and now they were involved in this whole mess so bar is spending this he's taking it looks like he's ready to take a bullet for the president on this issue. He's let the president off Scot free. And that's clearly what is the the findings of the special counsel report. We know now. Particularly on the especially on the obstruction close, Paul. Yes. So so when they then have this follow up phone call. According to MATT BAHR, then calls Malar when he gets this ladder and says, you know, we need to talk and Muller says let's put out the principal conclusions which as accurately points out when you look at the long, they are incredibly detailed. They do bullet point. They give you a lot and bar still says, no even though according to Matt Muller suggested at that time reductions that he would include with those principal conclusions. Why would Bill bar say no to that? He wants to continue the spin in fact, Aaron when you're when you have a chance to read the reporting on this on the next step on how now the Justice department is characterizing this whole incident. They're spending it again that it's no big deal that these are two old friends that they're going to get it. Right. And that isn't what's happening at all. And and he's going to have to answer better than he has with further spin. Because Muller is someday going to be testifying on this as well? All right. Let me now. Go to the house speaker democratic congressman from New Mexico. Ben right, Luhan, congressman good to have you your reaction to this reporting from the Washington Post. Bob Muller says Bill Maher got it wrong till bar. Sorry. This is both concerning and not surprising air. This is the problem when Bill bar access the personal attorney to the president as opposed to the attorney general. Of the United States of America. And tomorrow, there's going to be a lot of very important tough questions that have to be asked. And that must be answered. But it also shows the urgency of why the attorney general must also testified before the United States house of representatives before chairman, Jerry, Nadler, and the judiciary committee. Why do you think this is coming out tonight? Right. I mean, this didn't just happen yesterday. Muller's had this issue. They had this phone call is this happened. But obviously Bill is testifying again tomorrow. So well. There's obviously it would appear very fair to ask. If there's a method to the timing of this information coming out. Well, you know, one thing that I always appreciate his good journalism as well and good investigative reporting and ever we're able to be fortunate to learn the important stories of what must be told that matters. But I think we'll probably find out tomorrow morning, maybe a little bit more as to why the timing of this. But nonetheless, this is important for the American people to find out and those are the merits should be talked about. So should Democrats impeach Bill bar? Well, I think that Jerry Nadler, the chairman of the judiciary committee has said that there are a lot of important questions that need to be asked. And what is concerning? Now is that the attorney general has lied to congress not just once but on several occasions, and once we get to the bottom of the attorney general whether it was misleading the congress intentionally based on the conversation and the reporting with the special counsel. Miller's concern with the summary of. The reason you're not going there yet you just want. You want answers before you go there. I'm not going there yet. But I'm telling you, this is very concerning when you have someone that has lied to congress not just once but on multiple occasions, and now there are questions being brought forward as to the intentions associated with that letter. We need to get to the bond with. All right. So the ladder the judiciary committee chairman, Jerry Nadler, who of course, would oversee any possible impeachment proceedings has just tweeted about the Washington Post report in which he says Muller has written a letter objecting. Debare summary of his report because it did not bully capture the context nature and substance of the investigation. Right. That's the quote from Muller's ladder Tobar, Nadler rights. I have demanded the ladder and bar must answer for this Muller. Must be allowed to testify is that now going to be the number the number one, focus and battle for you all that you want Muller to testify. Well, again, I fully support our chairman Jerry Nadler with his approach, and when he has been doing with the investigations, and Jerry has been abundant. Lee clear that both of them should be in front of the committee to testify, and I think it's imperative now that we identify where these lies are coming from. And who was misleading the congress and get them before the judiciary committee as soon as possible. So you are at the White House today, you're with the president that was that meeting on infrastructure, and look there were a lot of nice things that were said that was before this report here are some things Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer said when they came out of that room. We just had a very productive meeting with the president of the United States was goodwill in this meeting. We agreed on a number which was very very good two trillion dollars for infrastructure. All right. Is that all now that ancient history now? Absolutely not. It was a very productive meeting that we had on infrastructure that took place at the White House today, and I came out optimistic that we can put together a bipartisan deal with investment infrastructure across the country, but we have many responsibilities. Invest president and not impeaching him. I am still looking at working to pass it infrastructure package that will create jobs across America. While congress also takes its constitutional oversight responsibility serious on behalf of the country. All right can do both. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time comes from Luhan daycare and next. Our breaking news coverage continues. We are just learning. New details about Muller's objections to bars a summary. What were they specifically plus just coming in new pause from Democrats for bars? Resignation twenty twenty candidate will in caster awaiting. I saying he must resign or face impeachment. The case is we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth for renchik files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Breaking news CNN now learning Robert Muller complained to Bill bar directly about the attorney general's letter the summary in which he described especial council's principal conclusions of his report, the Washington Post. I report that Muller wrote a letter to bar in which he said in part there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine essential purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. Of course, the letter also said that bar failed to capture the quote, context nature and substance of the Muller probe out right now. Our Justice correspondent Laura Jarrett. So obviously, this is a huge development. What are you learning as to why what was it that Muller objected to in bars for page, distillation or summary? Well, Aaron for weeks, we've heard Democrats complain about that four page letter saying that mischaracterized some of Muller's findings and generally just unhappy with how he rolled it out. And of course, the press conference that came afterwards. Sort of putting the president in the best possible. Rosy picture people have been very critical for how the attorney general has ruled that out. But we're now learning that it was the special counsel that also had misgivings about bars for page summary and thought that it didn't fully capture the full nuance of what we all saw in those four hundred and forty eight pages, obviously, it's very hard to distill hundreds of pages into a four page summary, despite the attorney general trying to do that over the course of that one weekend. And we're learning that not only did he write a letter to the attorney general, but he also had a follow up conversation. The next day with him where he said, look the press coverage here is misleading and inaccurate, and it's not fully capturing the full scope of my findings. And so it's really exposing the rift between these two men who have known each other for a very long time. But also, I am told by senior Justice officials. That bar has been frustrated about the fact that Muller did not reach a conclusion on obstruction. So there is certainly issues on both sides here. All right, Laura. Thank you. I want to bring in Jen. Psaki White House communications director for President Obama Bill Kristol editor at large the bulwark, founder of the weekly standard. David Gergen adviser to four presidents and still with me mats, Petoskey of the Washington Post to of course, I broke this story, David what's your reaction to this? This this news that Muller says you did not get it. Right. Bill bar. Version prize. I would've thought that there had been complete coordination between the two sides. You know, Bill bark testified, I believe that. I believe it was testimony. But he has said that he offered Muller a chance to review the his his document before it was published and and also talk about the reductions and that didn't happen. So to some extent, you know, would say months, Billy, if there were differences, the breasted on and he didn't wanna get involved having said that you know there. There's no question the Mahler letter gives ammunition to those bit skeptical about bar and about what how he was analyzing report mission Bill or or more. Does this change the game? You heard Luhan, right? He was he didn't take any avenue. He was given here on on impeachment. But but this is not a small development this special counsel saying I spent eighteen twenty months of of this country's time. And money. And what you said I said is not what I said when serious Sturdy's try to be impartial bread, the mall report, putting aside bars letter and boys press conference, they have said while there is at least inviting congress to consider impeachment on the obstruction issue. I mean, these not telling them to do it. He leaves it open. That's Congress's judgment to make. And I think bar did six even coloring things. Sufficiently may be that the Democrats very timid that kind of obvious statement that look we at least have to consider this. We're going to have other hearings record say the word impeachment. But I do now think they are going to have to think seriously. I think it is Muller is basically saying look, I knew what I was doing when I laid out these ten charges of obstruction and for Bartik include ahead of time that it didn't mean obstruction, and then to color the way he did and his press conference was wrong. I don't think they'll be a lot of fighting about Bill bar. But that also is going to be a sideshow. This affects Trump fundamentally and one last point certainly or spoke to the White House before writing is four page letter. Don't we know that I believe we do and he spoke to. Them before his press conference. So it's not like bar is acting. It's highly absent from having consultations perhaps with maybe not the president directly or maybe the president directly. So I do think this puts the question of impeachment legitimately leaving aside. Politics front and center for the congress and front and center. And Jan yet. You hear Bill use the word committee. And it's in a sense. It's a fair word. They've got all kinds of reasons for it. But you are not hearing it from leadership. And you know, they got it. They have to digest this now to your congressman Luhan. Right. It was he he wasn't ready to do it. That's true. But I do think that's because their objective even in leadership as too late. The public ace they know that the public is not with them or with the supporters of impeachment at this point. They know they have worked to do to kind of bring the public with them on making the case. And this is the kind of letter followed by Muller testifying which I expect they're going to step up their asks for and their public pushes for that will help them make that case publicly. Especially on the of course, on the obstruction piece. So some Matt I obviously you can't divulge your sources in any way. But could you can text July's us. Why you think this is you know, you've been working in this a long time. But you get this information. Now, the motive of why this is perhaps happening now that you're you're able to get this information. We'll look the thing. I would say on that is that Moeller put this down in writing. This was gonna come out when you do that, you kind of keep book on somebody keep book on your thoughts that you know, it's going to come out Bill bar has right now to congressional hearing scheduled this week tomorrow and the next day if the next day one actually happens, this is something that's certainly going to come up. But those I'm not sure if it would come up before we had reported or not it will certainly come up. Now, though, I think that's about all I can say that that is for sure look this is this is going to be an innocent to seismic shift in terms of the questioning, right? It's no longer people as Bill built. You know, relying on lawyers and interpretation it is now the special counsel himself saying, yeah, I meant something different. All right. Thank you all very much. And our breaking news continues. Stay with us. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke seen we are the producers behind the H N television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, Di Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelfth subscribe today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Breaking news CNN learning tonight that Robert Miller Robert Muller took issue with attorney general Bill Vars summary of his investigation sources are telling us that Muller told the attorney general that is initial four page summary of the report did not accurately fully capture the nuance. The substance the context of the four hundred forty eight page report, David Gergen is back and David you think this completely changes the discussion on Capitol Hill. I do not that it leads to impeachment directly via their of the president. Or in fact, they Bill bar. I think it gives though it gives a democrat. I lot stronger position the munition to push now to take their investigation to get Bill bar up there to testify under scrutiny and to get the other documents they need to push forward with this investigation. I think this gives them a lot more strength to do that. And that does change the dynamics David Goggin. Thank you so much and thanks to all of you for joining us as this story develops tonight ahead of bars. Testimony tomorrow, obviously going to change that perhaps completely AC three sixty begins right now.

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Why Republicans are talking about Alexandria Cossio Cortes, more than any other democrat, including anybody running for president. Let's go out. Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight. The breaking news showdown over the Muller report. The attorney general Bill bar has put out today. This a two page letter to congress in it. He promises he will give something to the public by mid April. But he adds quote is one of the operative lines. We are preparing the report for release making the reductions that are required the emphasis, of course, as mine, but attorney general bar bent spent six lines in here. Six lines biggest chunk right in here. Okay. Listing possible. Areas of redaction, including quote information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of preferable third parties, obviously performance quite a subjective. Word isn't it? Redaction can be a hugely subjective enterprise away to hide important information. The country has a right to know or utterly innocuous. And that is the problem, which is going to be reductions are. Flying with the powerful chairman of the House Judiciary committee, Jerry Nadler, within minutes of getting bars letter, he fired back with his own letter writing in part, quote, as I formed of the attorney general of this week, congress requires the full and complete Muller report without reductions emphasis, again mine as well as access to the underlying evidenced by April second that deadline still stands the battle lines are drawn with bar fighting the battle as President Trump acts as if he could care less. He doesn't have a care in the world about the nearly four hundred page report. I have nothing to hide this was a hoax. This was a witch hunt. I have absolutely nothing to hide. Never mind. Of course, you know, the six people in this Arbor going to prison and the thirty eight other people charged and the Russians and the criminal counts. And putting all that aside. We all know, this was not a witch hunter a hoax, let's hone in on the operative words. They're absolutely nothing to hide if that is the truth, then let's bring it on all three hundred to four hundred pages because as we have seen so far of those nearly four hundred pages. All we've gotten is one hundred and one words from the actual report. Right. We got this summary, which is loaded term. Apparently today the summary from Bill right on one hundred one words in here actually came from. If you take away the title and the foot note, it's seventy four words that is all we have to go on maharaja was out front on Capitol Hill and mono. This is a huge fight reductions or no reductions, and when are we going to get it Nadler and bar fisticuffs on how tough is going to get it could get very intense. Intern really depends on how much latitude depar-. Department feels it has to redact information. How much information is alternately redacted? I can tell you a private phone call that Bill Barr had Jerry Nadler earlier this week the questions how much would ultimately be redacted came up in that ten minute phone call. And while the call was cordial that key question was not answered when Nadler Preston nether also suggested to bar that they go to court work together to get a court order to release. The grand jury information that the Democrats have been demanding as part of their demands for releasing the full report bar was open to those suggestion. I'm told but he did not say that he would go forward with that. Nevertheless, Democrats are saying that they want the full report by April second, which are not gonna get the question is what do they do next? When do they start to Asia subpoenas? And what will they ultimately be satisfied with giving them all to be redaction? Will they agree to some sort of middle ground at the moment there? Showing that there have offer. No give here. But the bottom line is how hard they push it will they succeed. They are saying tonight Erin that president is on their side. They're citing the Watergate case, the Ken Starr case Republican investigation of the Clinton Email probe to say on. All those cases. Grand jury information in other underlying formation came to congress. They're saying this situation it should happen as well. All right. Thank you very much mono, and I wanna go now democratic congressman Jimmy Gomez who sits in the house oversight committee, congressman thank you very much being with me. So we get this two page letter from Bill bar today, are you satisfied with it? No, not at all. See I wanted to see the report and American people want to see the port immediately. And we want to make sure that all the evidence comes out and the truth comes out, you know, if they were going to redact something understand on some level. But at the same time, if they're redacting protect the president from saving them from embarrassment or preventing congress from following lines of information than that's completely under unacceptable and. We're gonna push back. All right. So let me just get to the bottom of this issue. 'cause this is this is what this is about. And they're fighting over the date. But the real issue here is what we're going to get and co-chairman Nadler right is saying I don't want any reductions any at. All right. He's going all the way over here, the top Republican on the judiciary committee. Doug Collins says that if that happens bar would break the law that there need to be reductions right national security sources and methods according to bars letter, as I said, the longest part of it was listing out what he's working topically to redact, and he says, including till the intelligence community identifies potentially compromising sensitive sources and methods. So do you support those sorts of? Reductions. I think that he has to work with chairman Naylor to determine what is actually redacted. I think that in that sense. They can really get to a middle ground. But at the same time, nobody trusts administration, and we don't trust Bill bar to not redact information and parts of the report that congress needs in order to follow up on Jerry, Nadler, chairman Nadler is saying no reductions at all. I mean 'cause he. Yeah. Because listen we dealt with this administration. Every time we bring anybody in to testify for the congress. They dodged the delay. They don't answer anything. And at the same time we need to do our job. So I understand why Nadler is pushing very hard to make sure that the they listened to congress, which is a co equal branch of government. All right. So then on this other issue for action, I mentioned this and our lead. But I think this is very important Barr. Says he's working currently docked based on several things including information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of personal. Third parties. Are you? Okay. With any reductions for that reason? Given that the word peripheral and third party. Of course is hugely subjective. Yeah. Who does it include? Right. Does it include Donald junior who does it really include? And that is part of the problem. If we don't know who it includes it can actually prevent us from doing our job and following up. So I understand why we're gonna continue pushing back I support that. And I want to see the report with no reductions, but if something is made I will I will try to see what it is. I, but you know, what the American people deserve a full report with no reductions, you you support the full on redacted report going to the gang of right bipartisan group of lawmakers who have access to the most highly classified information and not everyone in congress. No, I think that we've had sensitive briefings on a variety of issues with everybody in congress. And I think everybody in congress deserves to know I wanna play again, some of what President Trump said today about the Miller report for you congressman. Here. He is. I have nothing to hide this was a hoax. This was a witch hunt. Congressman gomez. Do you think he genuinely is okay? With the release of the entire report. Or is he saying that while expects a Bill bar Mitch McConnell to run interference for him. This president has hit everything from the moment. He started running. Let's take take. I don't believe him whatsoever. But remember he also said that he wasn't real releasing his taxes because they're under audit later, we found out that he was lying about that. So he's just saying that because I believe he thinks that Bill bar is going to do his duty work. So in congress has also this issue the deadline, which I want to understand for me, right chairman. Adler says April second and he's not moving from it. And now bar said, mid April. And now Dianne Feinstein democratic Senator, of course, says she'd be fine with April fifteenth are you fine with those extra few days April fifteenth, or do you think is do or die on April? Second is the right way to go. I trust chairman ler chairman Miller has been excellent as the chairman of the judiciary as well. As the ranking member he has he's thinking second year behind him. I'm behind him one hundred percent. All right before we go finally attorney general Bill bars offered to testify before the Senate Judiciary. Committee on may first House Judiciary committee may second. Obviously those are going to be crucial days. What's the most important question? You want asked. I I honestly I'm going to leave that up to chairman Adler. And here's the thing. I sit on oversight. I have other questions regarding the taxes regarding payments to stormy Daniels. I wanna get down to the bottom of that. I'm still pursuing that at the same time we've seen that these individuals from the ministration have been coached by attorneys to not answer a word. So I honestly don't know. What information we're gonna get from their Torney general if he goes before congress they've showed that time and time again that they're gonna dodge not be forthright. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. Thank you so much and next attorney general Bill bar taking issue with anybody who called his four page summary memo summary of the Wooller investigation. What's up? What's what the problem with the word, you take four hundred pages you distill them down to four, but we can't use the word summary. Plus, President Trump insisting the situation on the US southern border is so terrible that he may have to take drastic measures. Very good likelihood than I'll be closing the voter next week. And that'll be just fine with me and Donald Trump junior directing his father's followers to attack democrat. 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If not sooner so that's one better line. But also going to great lengths to reject. This is where it gets really strange descriptions that his letter last week in which he went through Robert Muller's findings was a summary. He says he has issue with that. Okay. So in his new letter today, he says, quote, I'm aware of some media reports and other public statements mischaracterizing my March twenty fourth two thousand nineteen supplemental notification as a quote summary of the special counsel's investigation report my notification to congress and the public provided pending release of the report a summary of its principal conclusions. I mean, I don't know lawyers. Is it true? The percent. I sing let's kill all the lawyers out front now. Former assistant attorney for the standard former FBI special agent auto shop and political editor for the New York Times, Patrick Healey, Harry. Okay. I'm sorry. What is the difference between a summary and a summary of principal conclusions? I mean, we can use words as lawyers to be specific as we want to be, and I suppose in some abstract sense. What he is saying is logical. But I think it is somewhat misleading the way in which it was presented to the public and the way in which President Trump talked about it was not just a summary of principal conclusions. But he and his supporters talked about it as a total exoneration. So he's sort of walking that back one. Thanks because maybe there will be things in this report that don't sound like a total exoneration. And so better to begin the process of backpedaling now. All right. Here's the thing. It's been nearly a week, right? Almost to the day this weekend. It'll be since bar. Put the four page. Distillation out if he had an issue with being called a summary as opposed to the principal conclusions. Why not speak out sooner? Unless as Harry says he is trying to back pedal. I agree with Harry, look as lawyers we are trained to to know that words have meaning. And how those words can be interpreted by the public, and I don't see any reason why even if he chose to do this a week ago. He couldn't have for example, given the number of pages in the full length of the report are offered a caveat that this does not summarize each individual investigation, which the special counsel has provided. I also don't know why if the full report is four hundred pages he couldn't have waited a little longer to provide a more thorough summary. If if that's what he wanted to do. So I think this is backpedaling I think that the pushback has been severe and that it has misled the public on both sides, and it does disservice to Americans anti-congress better. It would seem to just have the fight. You're going to have on reductions, and I've gotten the whole. Thing next week or two weeks later three weeks of fighting. And then let's see it all I mean Patrick Barr. Also writes in his his his new letter, I love this. It's like this era was write a letter and communicate by letter. He writes, quote, although the president would have the right to assert privilege. He's referring here to executive privilege over certain parts of the report he has stated publicly he intends to defer to me and accordingly. There are no plans to submit a report to the White House for privilege review. Okay. To me the words that stood out in here were intends to defer to me is barred running interference for the president saving him from having to claim executive privilege because that looks really bad but subsequently, right? I mean, Bill bars not Jeff Sessions, President Trump's might. He really this is a clear statement of trust in Bill in Bill bar to make decisions that will keep the president keep the White House from getting into an executive privilege fight that really the takeaway from that would be what are you hiding or what are you trying to hide instead deferring early? Intends to defer to to Bill bar suggests that the president has nothing to worry about here. The Justice department can take care of it. Reductions can be easily done he's fine because he is come away from this. With exoneration being the central message that he wants out. He doesn't want to be a fight about executive privilege. He doesn't want to get into the White House redacting he wants just zone. Of course. I, you know. The big question, I suppose is how the President Bill bar communicating explicitly. But one way, of course, they're communicating is the way the president, always communicates. Which is he tells the whole world what he wants one individual here in this case laying praise on Bill bar. You're amazing. You're amazing. You're amazing here. He is. Confidence in the attorney general I will say this. Our new attorney general Bill bars. Great gentlemen. And I've heard about him for years. He's great. He's a great, man. I'm gonna leave that to our new attorney general who's been so incredible actually. And that's based on a lot of people saying, this is a very very special person. The message is clear. The message is clear, and I also think that from Trump's previous behavior his pattern of behavior. He's not inclined to blanket trust someone without some kind of. Sure. Ince's in my opinion. I think that one question that members of congress might have for Bill bar is whether attorney general bar had any conversations with the president either before or after the report was released because if he did then we have a replay of the Bill Clinton, Loretta Lynch scenario on the tarmac that would be highly inappropriate and really call into question at least perception wise his ability to make ultimately prosecutorial decision, which is exactly what happened in the Hillary Clinton case. So, you know, I also think that ultimately these facts are going to come out one way or the other and Bill bar as a pretty highly respected attorney has really put himself on the line in the way that he has decided to present and characterize. Report at the outset. I mean, Harry, it is pretty incredible. There's something going on between between these two. It does seem like it. And why did Bill bar get this job? He had been out of politics out of government for many years. I don't wanna say he was retired. But I don't think he was sort of in the middle of his career to put it to say, the least and so he emerges because he wrote this nineteen page memo in which he specifically said, I don't think that this can be obstruction and then bar jumps into the vacuum. It's not clear. The mother intended him to make a finding on obstruction and says there's no chargeable obstruction here. So it's understandable. Why the president would view whom with confidence, and it's understandable. Why there would be some skepticism and let him prove everyone who is skeptical led him prove them wrong through handling this in a fair and transparent way. I hope he does. So what happens then, Patrick, but I think you have a process over the next two. Two weeks where there's gonna be a lot of concerns from Democrats about these categories that the Justice department is suggesting they can do reductions on a lot personal privacy and reputational interests, right, which is that was very broad category. With these sort of these third the third party figures whose reputations apparently need to be protected as Donald Trump junior peripheral because he's not being indicted. Right. Well, you central as most would would you can see how you could legally parse that chore. Absolutely. But you still the end of the day, you still have the mullahs report in the hands of President Trump's political appointee making the reductions himself and that team making their would actions themselves, and you're going to hear Democrats who are going to be able to make a pretty effective argument about wanting to see transparency from the administration and from the special counsel on this report. So the pressure at least for for two weeks over redaction. Is going to be pretty big if it's not about as decorative privilege, though, that is something that that helps fascinating to see the president alternately truly trust Bill bar to do that to say. Okay. I really do trust you, then I'm not going say anything in there. I don't like. And that's a tall order. We're talking about four hundred pages close to it. Thank you, all and next. President. Trump says the US is facing an unprecedented security prices the border, but what is really happening on the ground or out front investigation with lavender and just moments ago congresswoman Alexandro Cossio Cortes, fighting back to this chant from President Trump's rally last night. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Just now the new villain for Republicans. Alexandria, Akhazia Cortez is fighting back against this attack. That Donald Trump junior used to rally the base last night. Think about the fact that every mainstream leading democratic contender is taking the advice of a freshman congresswoman who three weeks ago didn't know the three branches of government. I don't know about you guys. But that's pretty scary. You guys you're not very nice moments ago. Okaz you Cortes responded. He doesn't have another woman Hillary Clinton or whoever whoever else to vilify anymore. So they need to find another woman to kind of prop up and become a lightning. Rod. Right now, Santa political commentator, Scott Jennings. Former special assistant to President George W Bush and former senior adviser to Mitch McConnell and peace boykin, former Clinton White House aide, Scott you heard what she said this is about them just needing to find a woman to hate on basically lightning. Rod was the word. She used what you say. No, I think she's wrong. I think what they're hating on is the drift of the Democratic Party towards socialism. I think this entire thing. You heard Donald Trump junior do last night as a continuation of what President Trump started in the state of the union where he starting to define the Democratic Party and whoever the nominee that he runs against as a socialist. And so I think they're gonna in his long, by the way is she is sort of one of the leading voices of the party as long as she's basically, the heart and soul of the party. I think they're going to keep going back to this well to define the Democrats socialists as they head towards reelection. I think there's a lot of Republicans who want to act like she has the heart and soul of the party. That's the big question for Democrats right now. Keith, what do you say is is she right that this is about them needing to find it was Hillary. And now it's going to be her. I think she's exactly right. She's a twenty nine year old freshman member of congress. She's been in office for all of two months now last year, she said at this time, she was waitressing at a time. Khobar? She just got health insurance a month ago. She is finding her sea-legs as as they say, she's a voice within the party. She is not the only voice in the party. She's not even in the leadership of the party. But Republicans are so fixated on Alexander Cossio Cortez because she's young because she's a woman because she's a woman of color. She's a Latina. She's progressive. She's all the things that they are frayed of about the changing demographics of this country. So they have a consistent pattern. They go out and attack people they on people like for will Wilson, they attacked people like Maxine Waters, they attacked people at Colin capital. Donald Trump even talking about jussie smollet if he does better to talk about it's always women. It's always people of color. It's always minorities. It's always the people. They wanted to engage in a fear campaign for two gene up there, right wing base. And it's despicable for the president and his family to do that might be slightly a little apples and oranges to Jesse small. And there he did go after him. But I think we all agree that might be in a very. Category. But the president United station be talking about that. That's the point Scott. What do you make though the obsession that Republicans have with AO see because it is that according to the hill, they actually went through and counted them seven hundred sixty six times, she's been mentioned on Fox News this year more than any democrat who is actually running for president. I don't think Republicans are obsessed with AO. I think Democrats are and they've elevated her to a leading voice in the party so much so that she is leading on one of their top issues, which is climate change. And in fact, this week the Senate Democrats had a chance to vote on one of her ideas on climate change, the green new deal, and she tweeted that she instructed the Senate Democrats on how she wanted them to vote. So I don't think Republicans are obsessed with her. I think Democrats are and look they have elevated her, and she isn't exciting voice for them. And she isn't exciting voice for socialism in this country. And I think as long as she continues to be that kind of voice, you're gonna hear the Republicans talk about it because they think it's indicative of where the Democrats actually are Keith when you speak about her being the voice the party, let the green new deal is her Marquis couldn't get away to pay attention to it till she put her face to it. And I wanna play this exchange between her and Republican Sean Duffy who slammed the green new deal during committee meeting this week. I think we should not focus on the rich wealthy elites who will look at this and go I love it. Because I've I've got big money in the Bank. Everyone should do this. We should all sign onto it. But if you're a poor family just trying to make ends meet. It's a horrible idea. This is not in elitist issue. This is a quality of life issue. You wanna tell people that their concern and their desire for clean air and clean water is elitist tell that to the kids in the South Bronx, which are suffering from the highest rates of childhood asthma in the country tell that to the families and Flint whose kids have their blood. It's a sending in lead levels, their brains are damaged for the rest of their lives called them elitist. All right moments like that or why presidential candidate Hooley in Castro told me this week AFC is a breath of fresh air. Keith is she the leader of the party right now. No, she's a leader within the party. That's clear. She's she's important voice. She's an impressive voices and impressive young member of congress. But she's not the leader of the party. And there's no reason why that the only people were trying to make her the leader of the party right now or the Republicans because again it fits into their studio type of the people who they don't like they want to demonize, the Democratic Party and mind, you Malania Trump is out there running this whole be best campaign. Well, Don, Donald Trump junior is out there leading a chant a see sucks at a rally for the president United States. Okay, today campaign Trump junior who by the way, Scott it's supposed to the Trump organization for all sorts of very important reasons in this country is not supposed to be doing all this political stuff. But I guess they don't care about that. He is out there saying some things that are well. Inappropriate here. He is last night at the rally just a few of the other things he said. Let's call them Adam full of Schiff, Adam Schiff has been peddling so much bull Schiff. He really shift the bed, and I say what my father's doing. And I'm just proud of an American to see those results. Scott is at all. Okay. F-bomb word. Yeah. I gotta tell you. Adam Schiff deserves everything he's getting more from the Trump's. He's spent the last two years appro- occasion. The president of reason Schiff ever use it profanity to describe Donald Trump. I think I think accusing someone of treason is worse than profanity accusing someone of being a traitor to their country is worse than it is a profanity to me as a patriotic American called my father trader was done junior said last night with sound like a bedtime. Got was it profanity when Donald Trump's fit five and a half years lying about Barack Obama's birth certificate accusing him of being treasonous. Thank you very much inconsistent view. Does example, the hypocrisy within the party they consistent. Invalid people of color minorities. Anybody doesn't finish their stereotypical image of America supposed to be and you have people's got. No that at least call it the inconsistency. All right. Thank you. Both very much. I next President Trump threatens to close down the border in days. So what's really happening? There are eleven dare investigates and coming up our comments like this going to de rail. Steve Moore's nomination to the bed. I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the fed operates how the Federal Reserve makes its decisions. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke seen we're the producers behind HSEN television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, the Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelve subscribe today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Breaking news, President Trump threatening to shut down the southern border as early as next week if Mexico doesn't stop all undocumented immigrants from entering the United States. We're not gonna give them hundreds of billions of dollars and tell them that they're not gonna use their strong immigration laws to help the United States. So there's a very good likelihood that I'll be closing the voter next week. And that'll be just fine with me. So what is happening on the Mexican border tonight at lavender investigates? Every day this week buses have dropped off nearly one hundred Central American migrants on the doorstep of the good neighbor settlement house shelter in Brownsville, Texas, most requesting asylum, but the scene is sparking frustration among immigrant rights advocates as legions of volunteers scrambled to help mothers and fathers with their children. What we see is that our community is being instrumental instrumentalise as as a tool in a larger political game that is completely anti to what the communities here want. Good. Neighbor settlement is one of several shelters helping migrants suddenly released this week by customs and border protection. The agency says it can't handle the massive number of migrants crossing the border and the Gration system with the breaking point that breaking point as a rive this week at our border CB officials say border patrol agents are on pace for aperture and encounters with more than a hundred thousand migrants in March which would be the highest number. Of monthly legal border crossings in a decade that apartment of homeland security secretary today is warning the system is in freefall and President Trump says the tens of thousands of migrants requesting asylum are carrying out a big fat conjure up and is now threatening to shut down the border to control legal immigration, and we're. For a million illegal aliens trying to rush your borders. It is an invasion, you know, that. We met Vilma and her daughter at the shelter in Brownsville. They asked we not show their faces because they fear being returned to El Salvador. Vilma says she fled her home country with her daughter because they feared being killed gang. Members murdered her mother last year. Her daughter says three police officers unleashed, a bruising attack on her in January kicking and punching her for reasons that were never clear that's when they decided to leave advocates say this is not a con job. But real people facing life death consequences. We are not ignorant here in the Rio Grande valley. We know what's happening. Immigrant rights advocates say the Trump administration is deliberately creating a sense of chaos with mass releases of migrants or housing migrants under a bridge, and El Paso and giving families confusing paperwork. This is one of the migrants here who asked us not to identify her. But these are the forms that they're giving once they're released from custody here, and if you look closely here, this is supposed to be a notice to appear giving them a date and time when they're supposed to appear immigration. But here they're not getting those dates. The Trump administration says there is no manufactured crisis on the southern border. And that there is a real humanitarian and security crisis unfolding. So Erin critics say the Trump administration is simply trying to bolster its case for a national emergency to build more border wall. But the president's threat to close down the borders, really sending shockwaves through this part of the world, you can see there. The bridge in the distance that connects Brownsville about the motives millions of people depend on bridges and ports of entry like that to get back and forth every day, they go to school work, family and friends closing those ports of entry will have a devastating effect along the border region. Those ports of entry those bridges are a lifeline for these border communities. Aaron all right. Thank you very much. And I wanna go now to democratic congressman growl, GRA -have of Arizona. His district is along the southern border joins me from Tucson tonight. So Celo customs and border protection says the systems that breaking point. I don't know how much of Eddie's peace you able to hear. But some of these numbers one hundred thousand migrants apprehended this month the highest in the decade, forty thousand children in custody sixty migrants going to the hospital every single day. Do you believe there is humanitarian crisis at the border? I think there is a tragedy at the border. I believe that it is rapidly becoming a a humanitarian crisis in the sense that this whole situation that we're seeing in the border that we're seeing in the border area that I represent is contrived it's manufactured to meet a political and the President Trump, declares the emergency uses unilateral power shift money to build his famous wall. And the consequence now you have to justify it, and the justifications are what's causing the tragedy, and what's causing the crisis of the seventy thousand talk about the forget to mention that these people voluntarily come to the ports of entry to to customs and border patrol and turn themselves in seeking asylum seeking refugee status, those forty thousand children did not sneak across they came and voluntarily want to be processed to prove their credible. Fear this. And now taking custom officers way from the ports of entry, which is a security checkpoint where sixty thousand of apprehensions of drugs and individuals happens at that border and removing them from there and the threat of closing the border an economic lifeline to the region beyond anything else. So let me ask about shutting the border because obviously he's now he's now threatening to do. So as soon as next week as you just heard him say, congressman Bhave. Yes. So when you look at the Wilson center, they've done the math right there. Just looking at the border hundreds of millions of dollars a day in revenue from trade would be would be lost. If you just look at the annual numbers. The president though is trying to spin this as a good thing here. He is today. With the deficit like we have with Mexico to head for many years closing the Buddha will be a profit making up ration-. Do you agree with that prompted? No for those states along the border and for the rest of the nation. This is about jobs. This is about one of our biggest trading partners. This is about a visitation, retail sales, etc. It is an economic lifeline and to the region back in both sides of the border and to the threat of closure to the border is going to whatever crisis. They have been manufacturing is indeed going to become a major tragedy both economic and in terms of of humanity. And I I think this threat is not the problem with with his threats. They're not always idol. He's he now you could follow through on it, and the consequences would be horrible. Speaking of threats that I hope are idle I want to ask about one related to Puerto Rico, which is something I know very important to you your committee holding hearings on Puerto Rico and the aftermath of hurricane Maria. The governor Ricardo. Sellers took poke to our Jim Acosta yesterday and responded to President Trump saying look Puerto Rico's not spending money wisely. Here's what the governor said. Feel that way. Sometimes. You're dealing with the bully. If if the bully gets close. Punch in the mouth. It would be a mistake to confuse courtesy with courage. Do you support that way of speaking? I don't know the threat of violence is is is that the way to conduct a discussion, but you know, given that and with that caveat, you know, the governor is correct. This has been a pattern here a pattern of disdained disrespect lack of equity of treating the the the American citizens, then put the Rico after the devastation of money a- after their fiscal collapse treating them in in harsh manners. Not wanting to give food stamps wanting to cut the amount of of support and recovery money that has already been approved by congress. So my point is this this is a pattern that this president has whether is the border, and he talks about invasion, or whether it's the Rico, there seems to be a tilt that he wants to make people in this of color in this country. Here's fodder in this coming election. I think it's sad. I think. Devalue all of us, and you know, what the Rica needs helping we're going to have hearings on that. But the issue with the president's taught and threat is is is totally disrespectful and discriminatory to be honest with you. All right. Thank you very much, congressman Bhave speak tonight. Good tube, speak do next President Trump's pick for the Federal Reserve facing questions about unpaid taxes and his past political views. So what's his defense and Jeannie moves on President Trump's love for the third person? Donald Trump Donald Trump, Donald Donald Trump. The cases we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which close when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes. Every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Tonight. President Trump's pick for a spot on the Federal Reserve on defense. Steve Moore, former senior economic adviser to the Trump campaign. Former CNN contributor you. So I'm here a lot fighting back now against criticism over his political positions and lack of experience and about seventy five thousand dollars and unpaid taxes and penalties to the IRS Christina unless she is out front. I'm talking the big Ludo talk. And Steve I'm talking here. Stephen Moore conservative analyst and frequent Trump defender not. So sure we could have a presidential candidate with that would deliver these kinds of results who's praise of President Trump may avert a Macete on the prestigious panel that helps decide monetary policy for the US economy. The Federal Reserve Board. Dating more. There are two vacancies on. The board candidates are typically, former finance executives and Bank regulators. The board is supposed to operate above the political fray beside. Beside noted I. More is better known as a political pundit than in the communist, not depending the process is a former seen and contributor. He advised President Trump's 2016 campaign, but more insists that won't impact is ability to be an independent voice. I love what he's doing. I will be an independent voice. What I'm for just tell you what I'm for for a strong economy, a strong dollar stable prices and high wages when it comes to policy both more and Trump appear to speak the same language, frankly, if we can have somebody that would raise interest rates and do quantitative tightening. We would have been over four instead of three point one. I think that the fed is way too tight right now. I think they have depressed the market, but it's more than just his political background and coziness with Trump. That's raising concerns more. We'll have to answer questions about his taxes. A court filing shows ios, the IRS seventy five thousand dollars more told CNN the IRS owes him money on the. Eager to reach an agreement about the dispute and for them to move quickly on my case, if the Senate confirms him it's unclear whether Moore is even ready for the job he said so himself kind of new to this game. Frankly. So I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the fed operates how the Federal Reserve makes its decisions Semicon next question. Moore's qualifications while others support his non traditional background. You don't need a PHD economics or have written an economics textbook in order to be qualified to make policy at the Federal Reserve. And I think Stephen Moore is a breath of fresh air in that respect. So Stephen Moore is defending himself against this criticism that he's overly political saying that he's actually broken with the president on the deficit on government spending on steel tariffs. But in that same interview, he says that the president calls him every time he opposes him. Every time even more opposes the president on TV. And it's that coziness that bothers the economists who believed the fed should be entirely independent. All right. Thank you, very much, Christina and next genie. Most takes on Trump's Tennessee tendency to talk about Trump. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. 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This is a man who tweeted congratulations, Donald on his own apprentice ratings he said, thanks Donald when consumer confidence went up, but Donald doesn't have a monopoly on thanking himself. Remember this guy? Thanks, Obama thanking himself for lower gas prices. You know, there's actually a technical term for this some psychologist. Kevin Volkan has two theories from President Trump. Use of the third person. It's either he's granting himself. Which of course, he's very good at and I think he does that almost unconsciously. And I think also this could be indicative of narcissism where you know, you're constantly referring yourself no side tracks Donald nice 'n easy. You want the world to revolve around. You psychologists say toddlers are often Ilias before they fully grasp the concept of I and me like Elmo. Tweeted, one Trump critic he gives third person talkers like cookie monster bad name. So. Forget cooking's president likes his own name in his mouth than Donald Trump. 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"Hi, stay tuned listeners more than a week has passed since attorney general Bill Barr wrote his summary of Muller's conclusions. The Muller report is yet to be released in remains to be seen. How much of it will be made public? In the meantime, President Trump has declared an unmitigated victory and Republicans are calling for a counter investigation into the origins of the special counsel probe with the twenty two thousand presidential election fast approaching there is much to make sense of in. This relentless new cycle insider is subscription service from cafe that includes a podcast co hosted by an milligram and me each week. We break down the news and take stock of what's happening today. We're making a portion of the cafe insider podcast available in the state tuned feed. This segment is from our most recent episode to listen to our full conversation and access all other cafe insider content. Become a member at cafe dot com slash insider. That's cafe dot com slash insider. I'm a couple of thoughts about how by mother has gone about preparing the report since you had a few days to think about it last week. We taped literally the morning after the December. He came out and one is it would would have been possible for Muller and his team. And we've seen this another occasion than we do this in my office from time to time knowing that they're going to be some material that cannot immediately be made public or about which there will be a fight. You create versions, you create, you know, the version that you give to the court under seal, and then you create the version that that doesn't have the grand jury sensitive information doesn't have the classified information. And you have that ready at the time you make the submission to the court, I suppose Muller could have done that. And it gives me some comfort that Bill bar has said that going forward in connection with whatever it action process that he will be consulting with a special counsel. Although it appears he didn't consult with him with respect to the four page summary. So that's good any thoughts. Jimmy thoughts on why they didn't prepare in advance. It's some version that could have been made public or made available to congress right away. I think this is worth digging into a little bit. Because the I've had that question in my mind and the other question I've had in my mind is why did Muller give bar three week run time. And basically tell them three weeks in advance. Look, I'm coming to you. I'm not gonna make a conclusion, and I think Muller was probably trying to do the right thing. Make sure it didn't surprise anybody. But you know, I sort of have wondered in my mind was that a mistake because he set up this chain of events where bar basically decided great. He's not making a conclusion there's a void into which I can now step, and I don't want to say Muller got played. But I I definitely think that barred Muller have known each other for a long time Muller is very respectful of the institution bars, the attorney general, and you know, I sort of I question the wisdom of that sort of three week lag time, I also do not understand the this this issue the six e issue the grand jury material issue, none of that would have been so. Prizing tomorrow. And so I could have seen a version of events where Muller actually went to bar, basically said look, you know, here here's what we wanna do. We want to do a full version. And then we wanna do a redacted version or we'll give you at the same time an extra copy where we basically show you the things that we think are part of ongoing investigations or graduated material or super classified and shouldn't be disclosed. What do you think? So I think it may be that Muller's philosophy and approach to all of this is on the biggest highest stakes things were something's opposed question. I'm not going to decide, and that's the reason why he didn't make an ultimate conclusion the criminality on obstruction in it may be. That's why he didn't prepare a separate parallel redacted report that those kinds of things he's coloring in the lines within the lines that he's giving those decisions to other folks. Whether it's congress of the attorney general, I guess now on the question of you. You know, what we're going to see near. There was a second letter. Issued by Bill bar making clear that there's a timeline that he says he's a Deering to zoo started by that we're in which he says these some version of the report will be provided by the middle of April simply a longtime. So among the things to Bill bar said is we should talk about this one sentence that some people took as a positive sign. I think the better reading is that it's Embiid use with respect to executive privilege, which is one basis on which you could say some information can't be compulsory embar writes in the new letter from last Friday, I think quote, although the president would have the right to assert privilege over certain parts of the report he has stated publicly that he intends to defer to me Bill bar and accordingly. There are no plans to submit the report to the White House for privilege review. Does that mean that privilege is not going to be asserted? Or does that mean that the decisions about privilege will be made by Bill bar? Right. And I think it is it is ambiguous. And so my first reading was, oh, they're not gonna serve privilege, and then you know, I always sort of the best guy you got to separate everything fourteen completely. And then when you read it more carefully. I think you're right. It does leave open that possibility that bars just going to be the one to exert executive privilege, which would be absurd because not everything the president says or does or that his senior adviser saying do is covered by executive privilege, and it really goes to this question of whether the conversations are there to provide counsel and advice, and so you know, I would be very skeptical of bar exerting executive privilege without sitting in a room with the president and going through the report line by line. And remember bars not supposed to be the president's lawyer bars was to be the lawyer for the United States of America and all the people. He's appointed by the president. But the president has his own lawyers. He's got a White House counsel who represents the presidency. He's got his own personal lawyers Rudy Giuliani and the whole gang. And so it really that that tends I think is potentially problematic. It's also a question. I think of you know, you, and I've talked about this. But a lot of the folks were interviewed agreed to be interviewed did not claim privilege, but sort of said, I'm reserving privilege. Yes. So that's been reported that they reserved privilege, and I suppose if the arrangement was agreed upon the you could assert privilege later. I do think it's odd that Bill bar has said that he's not going to submit to the White House because there's no reason to do that. And you would have thought that had the White House counsel. The new one said that they want an opportunity to review done yet. I'm not sure I'm not sure why that was given up. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's also sort of at this point the president has done a victory lap. Again. We haven't seen the report but bar summarized it in what he now calls a non summary summary. And so, you know, there is a little bit of the it does strike me as very odd for the president to come out and say nothing I said can be disclosed right for so take out blackout. Three hundred fifty pages of the four hundred plus page report. But I'm innocent. And so I think kind of you can't have it both ways. And so I would expect the president here to waive privilege until allow the American public to see it. Now that being said, you know, again, what you would expect and what we have been seeing or not the same thing. You know, there's ones where too in the weeds legal point on this. There happens to be an opinion that still resigned to the Justice department from the officer legal counsel from the summer of two thousand and eight that arose in connection with the congressional investigation involving the outing of the operative. Valerie plame in which the Justice department at that time took the position that when congress asks for information from the Justice department that sensitive the opinion says it is not sufficient for the committee to assert that the subpoenaed documents may at some level relate to a legitimate oversight interest. Never congress has two functions. One of the functions is oversight. And take a look at the other branch of government and act as a check and balance, and obviously the most obvious role for congress is lawmaking authority legislative authority, and this opinion takes the position that in connection with trying to get these kinds of documents via subpoena is not enough that it'd be an oversight interest. It has to be a legitimate lawmaking legislative interest. Now, I think we'll see how this plays out because the house as as we come into the studio this morning on April. First we have an indication that the house is going to seek to subpoena. The entire Muller reported unredacted form, you could make a good, obviously as a matter of oversight, the house committees have an interest in getting this document. That's very clear, it's hard to dispute that, but I think they also have a legislative interest depending on what the report found, and depending on what level of new information. We get about interference in the election, and what the Russians did there's a legislative interest in figuring out what kind of response there should be what kind of sanctions there should be. We'll kinds of legislation might help to protect future elections. So I think there's there's a deep legislate. Of interest. But that's just sort of an interesting legal fight to think about I agree with that. And I expect that it will be a legal fight. And one of the things that I find surprising is that obviously the White House and the attorney general they're they're not crazy about giving the report to congress, or at least not giving it over quickly. These kinds of reductions can be done fairly fast you and I talked about this last week. It should have been done within a week. They've got teams of people available to review it at every level. But congress gets it, you know, at the end of the day, whether you like the United States Congress or you don't whether it's run by people of your party, or by people of the opposite party. Congress has valid and legitimate reason to review the report, and I think where it gets interesting particularly with the underlying information, particularly if it's grand jury protected material bar sort of remains. I think you know, he remains I think in the wrong place on the sixty grand jury material, which is to say that grand jury testimony by a witness grand jury subpoenas issued to get say think about cellphone records. Bank records, those are treated as secret in less, the attorney general decides that there's a a reason to provide to congress, and then gives notice to the court or goes to the court himself and says, look we wanna we wanna wave sixty on this we want we want you to basically allow us to share this publicly, which I believe a court would grant. So you know, there's a lot of still back and forth. But at the end of the day, I think, you know, congress gets it. And it feels to me like there's some delaying happening here in an effort to sort of play a little bit of a game that that is not good for the American public. 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