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Dance, Dance, Dance

Fame is a Bitch

25:50 min | 10 months ago

Dance, Dance, Dance

"From workhouse connect in. Aj Benza vein. he likes to be walked on a leash and play really dirty. Kinky sex tapes is the GUY. Put the COP in the peacock network. Okay Bitch Hey everybody. Aj Benzene here with fame bitch. This is your podcast for Monday. May Twenty four th twenty. Twenty free podcast. I may not these free podcasts. Down twice a week. I got a Lotta Shit to do lots of stuff. I've gotta right. I got some information about the movie I wrote screenplay I wrote that is interested in perhaps and I've got a free up some time. I'm not gonNA take away from the Patriot folks but I may have slice down to free podcasts. To Day or two a week we will see. But that's what I'm mulling over. But don't worry 'cause if you like what you hear it's so simple to go to patriot dot com forward slash fame as bitch and you get me every day and you guys have been doing it a lot lately so keep it up. I swear to you today show is great. I've got recollections of my dead friend Chico my best friend who was his birthday yesterday May twenty four. I found a poem of his that I read. That has a lot to do with the way. His life went really interesting stuff pointing and stuff. I think you'd like it and you don't enjoy the other day talking about studio fifty four because this is right around the time back in the seventy seventy seven where studio fifty four opened and it started to really pick up a month or so after it opened. It wasn't a smash hit the first night so it it opened April. Twenty six seventy seven. I thought I'd tell you a few more stories now. Seems a good time to bring that out It took about three weeks for studio fifty four to be you know who the dominant club it. It became so after I told that story last week about now's Rogers and writing the Song Freak Out. It made me think of a few more stories that some of you may not know about the club which had a run like no other club in history. I don't care what fucking city living. A lot of people think it must have been around forever studio fifty four because of all the stories and all the documentaries and the movie in the books but not It was open thirty three and a half months. That was it thirty three and a half months before the owners. Ian Schrager and Steve Rebel got taken down by the feds and the whole Party came to a crashing end. But before that happened. Oh my God this stories. The stories are still being talked about some forty years later. Andy Warhol a one said that the key of the success of studio fifty four was that it was a dictator ship at the door but a democracy on the dance floor. Can what a great observation? Steve rebel the velvet ropes with an. I insist to get the perfect blend of guests for his nightly party. He would stand outside either on a step stool or on a small fire hydrant. That was right outside the club and he would decide who would get inside the club. It was very heartless you know it was. The guy seemed like a deranged ruler at times. Plus he was always coked out but during those thirty three months he was without a doubt the most powerful man and all New York City. The mayor and the governor didn't have shit on him and he looked at it like he was always mixing a salad or or casting a play and I've sat in the past with the doormen dot former doorman. Mark Benecke. Who was then in nineteen year old? College can imagine that job. And a guy named Richie. No Dr Ho since you know. Since those days they've always been infamous wherever they worked after that wherever they went they were. They're always known for that and mark once told me that you know you look outside. You'd have a kid who worked at McDonald's next this some movie star or some superstar model and none of it mattered. What did matter was that they had to be dressed in a festive way. They had to be interesting. You have to have higher energy. All they had to be great dancers you know they. They had to show their wares outside even socialites celebrities models they had to bring something to the table and the door code played upon the fundamental human quirk of desperately. Wanting what somebody can't have you know the fact that it was tough to get intimate. Everybody wanted even more. Those who were turned away used to come back night after night. They changed their outfits. They changed their hands styles. They changed the people they went with some tried to. You know. Put money in the palms of the guys work in the door to the tune of thousands of dollars and both. Those guys told me that you know at times. They turn down thousands of dollars in tips. Because Steve rebel found out they would have been fired on the spot. And that was the best job in Manhattan at that time. The Doorman at Studio Fifty Four. Forget it the drugs to see the influence the power nothing match that although both guys told me once they learned the ropes and things were kind of less strict. They figured out a way to have their palms grease without being too obvious. Can you imagine? Can you imagine if there was pay pal or then Mo back then? Oh my God could have retired on those tips. And when I was hanging around with my buddy johnny actually when I was hanging around with Jay. Barrymore trues Mont. She was a regular. She told me people would. Sometimes they would do anything to outdo the other person so that they could be pointed to get in and that included having sex standing up right there in st and sometimes it was two strangers who didn't even know each other there so desperate to get in that they would agree to do it if it meant getting in one. Halloween two girls took out a five hundred dollar loan to rent a horse which they then rode nude to the velvet ropes. They they were addressed nude blog as to lady. Godiva is and you want to hear some great. The horse was granted entry. The women were not. They walked away crying. Could you imagine they let a fucking whore in but the chicks had to go go? So a lot of people steve rebel and his army of doormen and the balances appeared to be you know. Dick's to a lot of but it was. Never a personal. Steve rebel had certain criteria. But he knew that if he wasn't the owner he wouldn't be allowed in either and the amount of rejection got so bad that they were club employees. They had a job that they they would have to go strip nearby garbage cans of all the bottles and cans so that there was less of a chance for people being turned away for grabbing. Something out of the garbage can and throwing shit while they were rejected. Because it happened and Mark Benecke. Houston needed an escort back to his apartment and as the night wore on the people outside got more drunk they got more high and there were times when some regulars who believe in would get show and beat up at a jealousy one desperate guy once tried to literally crash the VIP entrance in his oldsmobile. A car whizzed by and guy in the driver's seat yelled out. Hey asshole and he pointed a rifle at one of the guys work in the club another time. Some club employees began to pile out the back of the club in the early morning hours. And somebody did pull the trigger. Shoot at them next thing you know. They're flying under cars trying to stay alive and You know some disgruntled guys were waiting in their car across the street with loaded guns unbelievable so it was that kind of place and like I said the club's popularity it started out. Slow wasn't really big from the first night but things got cracking when Steve rebel. Got This phone call from the fashion designer. Halston early morning in the phone rings and Halston You know this is big time because Steve rebel at this point wasn't known by anybody. Halston wanted to have a birthday party for Bianca Jagger on a Monday and that's when the club was closed like a lot of venues clubs closed on Mondays. It's dark night. What's the rebels said fucked out? We're GONNA make an exception. So he went all out. He knew this is it this is GonNa make or break. The club If a party for Bianca Jagger was thrown the right way then they knew they were on their way so he called everybody he knew a New York to come and help them blow up hundreds of white balloons and he sends somebody to the stables for a horse right. Now this is this is an early. May and Bianca Jagger celebrated in grand style. She was very over the top and Halston had about one hundred and five hundred and fifty people who were there but these were considered the best people from Mikhail Baryshnikov. Jacqueline beset Everybody who was anybody. Steve rebel asked one of his beefy bartenders to put on a diaper and pop out of this giant birthday cake but the highlight of the night occurred right around midnight. Have Studio Fifty Four. Had this big half moon that would be up in the rafters and at a certain time it would come down. It wasn't just a half moon. It was a half moon that also had a spoon and giants spoon of cocaine would go up the half. The the band's facing the Moon so whenever the half moon did a bump of cocaine everybody in the club took out their coke and didn't at the same time Nobody was hiding in the men's room. Ladies Room getting high they all did it right out in the open. So he's got all these fancy people come into club. He asked the bodyguard diaper around midnight and around that he has this beautiful white horse was led out from behind the stage curtain by this nude couple and the couple of slathered and paint and sparkles and glitter and Bianca Jagger cakes place next to the horse which tries out onto the dance floor and tons of people taking pictures photographers so thrilled. Everybody's blinded by the flashbulbs and that stunt was one of the most effective stunts in the history of club publicity because photos of Bianca Jagger on horseback were appearing in every paper around the world. And then it just snowballed from there And that got everything role and in fact the photos also gave birth to this myth that still around today That Bianca jacker actually rode into the club on the horse. But she didn't. That was the story with the two girls who address this lady. Godiva but Bianca Jagger is tried to correct that myth forever even as late as four years ago. Because she's a real staunch animal activists. Who would never do that? She even wrote open letters to the Financial Times and Shit like that saying I'm an environmentalist. An animal rights defender. I find the insinuation that I would ride a horse into a nightclub offensive blah blah blah. But after that night the club got so hot that some people would resort to anything ticket in if they were turned down the door. I knew a guy in New York City. During those years he was a sometime source of mine. His name was Baird Jones. He passed away about ten years ago and Baird was an infamous New York City character. He was a party promoter. A photographer and author A Rich Kid you know trust fund kid is Father Edited Time Magazine and Founded People magazine. So you can imagine and life was just one big party for and he was friends with that dwarf actor Mike Anderson from twin peaks and Baird really pushed the limits having been in studio fifty four for years. He began to throw parties. When I was in New York. Trying to resurrect that kind of attitude toward party throw party throwing and he started parties that featured dwarf tossing and midget bowling. He may have seen this shit on the news and it got tons of press and then it got the attention of the Governor Mario Cuomo then they signed legislation and it was banned before really caught on but it was a big thing for a while and he had great studio fifty four stores. He told me. Some friends once climbed down from the building next door in full mountain climbing gear. Ropes tied around their fucking shoulders. You know scaling of building and they were trying to get into the courtyard next fifty four or right into and they they got tangled in the barbed wire and they fell to the cement pave in which is about ten feet below. One Guy got really fucked up needed a stretch. Her One guy broke his wrist and broke his neck but he was still thrilled that when he looked up he knew he made it inside the courtyard. That was everything to win at one guy was less lucky. One Guy got stuck in the vent trying to get in from the roof and people's they didn't know that until people said they smelled like a fucking dead cat had died and his body was eventually found in the in the ducks he was in black tie. I mean there's people try to anything so studio did so many amazing things over the top things that there are a lot of club on his my age. Who just missed the fifty four era like I did but when they opened their clubs and restaurants in the late eighties and nineties they did things to emulate Steve Rebellion Schrager. There was this one restaurant called castle of FEM. Always doing fun. Shit these guys Manhattan Ebrahim One time they hung gauze from the ceiling and it draped around the actually. Did that a lot. It is beautiful. Dog would be draped from the ceiling and it would be go around the booths and create these intimate little spots for people to separate them from the commoners. Who might be there so to speak? Just enough privacy for some people to partake in drugs or sex one night. They had a truck porn twenty tons of sand onto the restaurants floor so that there was no floor was just like you're walking in a desert another time. They laid down Saad for a week. You went to the restaurant you walked on. Saad. I mean both. Those ideas came from studio fifty. Four Stephen Ian would spend thousands of dollars for just one night a one night only production would cost thousands. I mean they've put Broadway shows to shame the shit that dead set decorators who work in Hollywood work there and you know they do this magnificent stuff and the very next night given all be gone like one night to design a car. Lagerfeld held a Candlelit Eighteenth Century Party with the staff in courtrooms and powdered wigs. Elizabeth Taylor's birthday had a performance by the rock cats while she watched sitting on a float of Gardenias for Valentine's Day studio fifty four was transformed into a garden. Flowerbeds picket fencing and a group of people playing the Harps Jean Carlos GM Eddie. He threw a circus team. Birthday Party for purrs business partner. Valentino the designer data circus ring with sand and mermaids on Trapeze Federico Fellini. The Great Italian direct gave them costumes from his film. The clowns I mean closure. Fuck does that anymore. And one of the most memorable parties ever was held in honor of Dolly Parton and she was visited New York City because she had some concert dates in seventy eight and Steve rebel created a like a farm setting to help her feel more at home and they had haystacks and horses and donkeys and mules running around the club. They got the animals from some fauna dental. They had big wine barrels. Still corn farm wagons filled with. Hey even chicken pen. I can only think what those animals felt like hearing that music blasting but turned out dolly was really freaked out by it and freaked out by how many people showed up and she never had a studio fifty four experience and she was real nervous about the whole thing. She went up to the balcony and sat there for a while and she just wasn't comfortable should never good time at our own party. But there was a big part of the same year July celebrating the release of the movie grease with Travolta and Olivia Newton John rebel schrager recreated the whole movies retro set. You walked in and there was a bunch of hallways with nothing but lockers. High School lockers on both sides. And then you went into the main part of the club and he had all these convertible cars from the fifties. There was an auto museum. They found some place in Jersey and they agreed to bring the cars up. So then these six or seven big Fin. Classic cars were parked on the dance floor but a few minutes before the party started in the club. Open the fire marshal came in and they said you can't have this. The cars haven't been drained of Gasoline so each vehicle had to be taken to the street where they emptied the tanks and then pushed back in by hand. Those things too. I WANNA say a ton. They weighed probably two tons and the party would offer that a hitch. There was one incident that was nineteen fifty Chevy convertible that got a bit trash because people climbed in and burn the seats. Selah at the end up paying for new seats but the party was wild. And you know life went on but I'll always remember the stories. My Buddy Johnny boy told me about fifty four. Johnny boy was the friend who only missed five nights out of the thirty three and a half months and he took me to studio fifty four on New Year's Eve in the year two thousand. They opened it up for a special party. He wanted to show me the place so he can walk me through all the crazy no nooks and crannies to see what his sex was had and the drugs were done and I always heard about sex cubicles in the basement or the rubber room and the balcony. Once you found yourself inside that there are there hollowed ground. Once you're in the hallowed grounds at studio fifty four the next place. You wanted to go. Once you're in. There was the basement. It was a cavernous dingy. Really unglamorous space decorated with damage banquets and pillars and all carpets rolled up set pieces from all the parties. Were there just like a storage room but gigantic and it was down. There were a privileged. Few would be invited to indulge in their wildest desires. A lot of celebrities went down to the basement security guys with walkie-talkies to patrol the area and they would just remove the uninvited people they would mess with the celebs the rich people and you know there was secluded areas. Whether were mattresses thrown down king size mattresses which were replaced every week and that became a popular place to go down. Get High and fuck on. I mean right out in the open. The other area was the balcony. Johnny took me up there. The balcony was a pulse. It in rubber because it was just easier to clean. You can imagine what they had to clean up a lot of common. A lot of coke you could easily wipe that down with one. You Know One. Swing of a sponge. Maybe some squirt clorox to but you know easy peasy. There was even something above the rubber room beyond secretive up. There where you know the made real big shots that God's could go up there and engage in any chosen vice high above the dancers and like I said the common folk. It was a place of secrets secretions. Let's put it that way Lot of sucking snorting dawn on if you know what I mean. But the thing that was the downfall of studio fifty four was not the drugs and the sex. It was the accounting. It always comes down to the accounting. Not The sex and drug in nineteen seventy seven. The club made millions but it reported it paid eight thousand taxes. You can't do that. I mean skimming was a standard practice in the world of restaurants and nightclubs who were making money hand over fist but that was an insane unrealistic level of lying and cheating on taxes. See like I said. Greed is always what sucks things up and each morning. Massive portions of the previous night's take would be stuffed in garbage cans and it would be hidden above ceiling panels or would be smuggled back to rebels apartment and and concealed in hidden compartments around his place in one day. Rebel who is probably still high for the night before he got cocky and he was joking to a radio host that with the IRS doesn't know won't hurt him and then he started bragging to New York magazine. Only mafia makes more money than we do. Can't say shit like that. I made the same mistake on Howard. Stern one time saying how easy it was for me to go to Cuba illegally. Three times next thing. I know I got the Treasury Department up my ass threaten to lock me up finding me ten thousand dollars in stopping me from visiting Cuba again but rebel had so much money he thought he was unstoppable for Andy. Warhol's Fiftieth Birthday in seventy eight. He gave Andy a roll of five thousand free drink tickets and a big silver garbage cans filled with thousands of dollars worth of Chris. New Dollar Bills Warhol said it was the best present he ever got but then it caused tension years later when the IRS raided rebels office and they found out his financial records show that the garbage can only had eight hundred dollars and then actually pissed warhol off he thought God damn I knew I should accounted that shit but you know only. They knew they were going to get locked up rebellion Schrager when they knew they threw a gigantic star studded farewell party before they were sent off to prison it was a big thing in New York because the IRS raided fifty four December fourteenth nineteen seventy eight and they walk down there. There's pictures on the Internet garbage cans full of cash full of financial documents. Five ounces of cocaine which is nothing but Stevens and were arrested and accused of skimming two and a half million dollars in club earnings that November. They pled guilty to two counts of corporate and personal income tax evasion and the judge shocked the court by giving them the maximum penalty three and a half years in prison and twenty thousand dollars in fines the following February just before they would do to to serve their time they throw one last bash and they call it the end of Modern Day Amora and the final blow out was intimate compared to most other nights just two thousand of studio fifty. Most famous faithful people showed up. Richard Gere Halston Reggie Jackson Andy Warhol Lorna Love Sylvester Stallone Diana Ross. She sang for the deejay booth. Liza minelli Say New York New York Steve Rebels walking around with Sinatra for. You know singing my way which they've played on repeat over and over again as they did with. Gloria Gaynor's song the anthem. I will survive and from a mechanical platform high above the dance floor. Steve rebel addressed his guests with a very emotional speech. He was poked out of his mind. Obviously Bianca Jagger hugging him. And he's saying I love you people. I don't know what I'm GONNA do without studio. And everybody was crying and weeping and the New York Post columnist named Jack. Martin found rebel in the early morning hours and it was all spaced out and fucked up and he accepted what was going to happen to them. It was a very sad going away party but you know they still were laughing and having fun they were actually all together until he took a car to go home and meet the authorities and only then was the party officially over. And I don't care what you've done and where you've gone and what you've seen in Europe since then I've seen a lot. Nothing was like those nights at Studio Fifty Four. I'm AJ broadcast for May Twenty Fifth Twenty. Twenty I'll talk to you tomorrow. Thank you for listening famous. A bitch is an AJ Benza. House connect production featuring the endless wisdom insightful commentary in sometimes fucked up perspective of AJ Benza executive producer. Mike Agostino technical producer Brian Vasquez.

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Studio 54: Disco Decadence, a Dead Body and Bags of Cash

DISGRACELAND

41:08 min | 10 months ago

Studio 54: Disco Decadence, a Dead Body and Bags of Cash

"Your health and wellness are more important than ever and WW. Weight watchers reimagined is here to support you with the world's leading weight, loss and wellness program proven to make losing weight easier. WW's award winning APP has tools like twenty. Four Seven Life Coaching personalized recipes, a barcode scanner and new water and sleep tracking features to help. Keep you on track. Take charge of your weight and wellness and visit ww dot com to join today with a limited time offer purchase required restrictions apply. Guys, bobby bones I host the bobby bones show and pretty much always sleepy because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later. I get all my friends together. We get into a room and a radio show. We share our allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can and we looked. Looked through the news of the day that you care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too. So wake up with a bunch of my friends on ninety eight point seven W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Graceland is a production of iheartradio double elvis media. The. Stories about studio fifty. Four are insane. Arguably the most legendary nightclub of all time studio fifty four celebrated encouraged and flaunted hedonism. Farm animals little people, giant coke spoons hanging from the ceiling, drugs cocaine, quayle, lewd sex and other romanesque acts of debauchery were rampant inside the walls of studio fifty four. As were the criminal exploits of club owner Steve rebel in Ian Schrager, both of whom carefully cultivated the allure of studio, Fifty, four John I on the inclusiveness of disco cultures early days, and later on the exclusive cult of celebrity personality, famous musicians, John Lennon David Bowie Mick Jagger along with the world's most famous celebs, not just actors and actresses, but international heads of state royals, and even Bradey dynastic Kennedy kids were all a ubiquitous presence seem nightly dancing with abandon amongst ordinary New Yorkers. So constant was the celebrity presence at Studio Fifty, four at studio, Fifty four redefined the concept of celebrity for the modern age. That's a fact. Truman Liza suddenly their last names didn't matter studio fifty four had made them even more famous and studio fifty four made its owners Steve rebel in Ian Schrager a lot of money. And money, the abundance of it was the problem, not the sex of the drugs of the great music. That's right. Great Music because this is great music. That music I played for you at the top of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset loop from mellow. Tron call, Coke Baroque mk one I played you that loop because I can't afford the rights to La Freak by chic. And why would I play you that specific slice of fuck off cheese? Could I afford it? because. That was the number one song in America on December. Fourteenth Nineteen, Seventy, eight and that was the day federal agents showed up at two fifty four West Fifty Fourth Street in effectively shutdown, one of the greatest parties America had ever seen. On this episode, sweat-soaked and totally coke celebrities debauchery on the dance floor, cash trash a dead body at the disco studio fifty, four. I'm Jay. Brennan in. This is disgraceful. It was simple. If you own a bar nightclub in New York City and had a jukebox in your place. You're going to have to go into business with the Mafia. juke boxes. We're one of the many rackets control, but the moth. Truth was racketeering millions of dollars in Jukebox Nichols all over the country was a time, honored practice going back to Meyer Lansky in the nineteen thirties. Movie Star Debbie. Reynolds tasted when she tried getting into the Jukebox as an investment in the sixty s only to see most of her financial stake gobbled up by the genovese crime family. Mob Control. Is also gave me guys easy access to all sorts of classy nightclubs and dance bars were they could frequent regularly Duma's. So if you didn't want wiseguys cutting in on your prophet or worse, hanging out of your club, you'd best find a form of entertainment. That wasn't a jukebox especially, if you were gay in trying to establish a club in New York in the nineteen seventies, you had enough problems. You didn't need the mafia jamming you up, so a jukebox was out. And bands good bands, anyway, not the covers crap would attract the unwanted straight crowd, and possibly also the mafia's attention weren't really an option, either so deejays were necessity. deejays music aficionados with impeccable taste, good source new exciting as of yet unheard of forty fives from places as far away as France and western Africa and his near a couple of hours down the road and Campbell. inhofe warehouse philly records like Sugar Pie by the Joneses and wild safari by Barabbas music that would attract the preferred clientele clientele who wanted to dance and to connect emotionally out in. In public sort of for the first time, these were early to mid seventies recordings that had nothing to do with the Post. Sixties Malays the first part of the decade these were records that were willfully ignorant of the societal pressures of the day, the drag of the economy, Vietnam and Watergate records that were meant to be in the scape. These records being played Manhattan's first openly gay dance clubs. The music, these deejays played rhythmically relied on a repetitive reinforced kick drum nearly a constant four on the floor, beat to keep the dance floor revolt, and celebrated hedonism individuality, a sense of individuality that turned out could be empowering for a subculture. Persecuted because of its sexuality, a type of music called disco. Clubs like that Ice Palace Infinity Hurrah Higher Dj's who not only source this exciting music, but who also knew how to perform it and I don't use that word perform likely disco, DJ's or good ones anyway sequenced the records they played to not only keep the dance floors full, but to elicit an emotional reaction from club goers to connect through music through dance, and in an emotionally resonant way one that was enthralling, compelling in totally fawn. Most early disco was a combination of obscure deep groove Black American soul imported world music being played in European disco tax. In addition to attracting sophisticated gay Manhattan Nights, some of whom worked in fashion, stylist, hairdressers and makeup artists, these clubs also attracted beautiful women models who would follow their gay male co workers from the fashion industry for an undeniable good time to clubs where there were no obnoxious straight men hit on them clubs where they were free to dance to have fun until the early morning hours. The vibe at these clubs was special unique. It was a moment in time Ho. Stonewall pre Reagan. For the first time anywhere in America, being gay was being seen as something other than a liability. It was fun in Semi Open. If you were gay or straight in an ally. The experience of dancing at these clubs was glorious. You couldn't but feel emotionally connected to most everyone in the room. The DJ at Hurrah. This any calibrated is set according. Last song was crucial. It wasn't about kicking the party off new club at four thirty am to some driving after hours, there was about creating a lasting emotional connection before parting ways. He had just the Song Donna. Summer's love to love you. Baby, the Giorgio Moroder pen, sixteen and a half minute filled with summers, ecstatic moans, and groans was more than just sex. It was a high walk cable of connectivity. The pulse through the early discuss e. Timed right played at just the right moment. During the night, the song was enough to make those in the know openly weep the dance floor, because aside from the sex, the sweat the pulsing lights represent clubland, drugs and booze the burgeoning. He'd missile. If you were in on this song, it meant you in on something special. It meant you were special. Because you were in on what was going on, he could put feel it not just on the dance floor, but in the larger clubs seen in New York at the time. Something big was about. Little Dude from Brooklyn at the Parnu at two in it didn't matter how fucked up. He was either last call had come and gone in the quayle had kicked it big time. The bartender asked him if he was going anywhere. The little dude smile wryly has in on an even deeper secret. The bartender then shouted over the pulsing Donna summer track. You look like you're having a good time. The short dude replied with. You. Think I'd take in shoe. Many que- you. Own Your name and address. Bartenders smiled influence the back match. The short dude smile back at him and try it again to make his mouth work. Crews. Calls. You! There was simply too much money too much cash too much to count too much to account for. At the end of another successful night at his new club studio, Fifty four CO owner and master of ceremonies extraordinaire Steve rebel used to collect all the cash big plastic trash bag. He'd stash it in a safe. Hide it in the ceiling, squirrel hundreds of thousands of dollars of it away in his upper east side apartment. He'd flaunt it. He'd stuff into the insides of his puffy winter jacket in Rome the bowels of the studio, handing it out to unsuspecting club goers. He'd said an extra trash bag full of cash aside in his office and let his new friend Andy. Warhol over and just play with it, and he loved cash, but most of all Steve rebel on his business partner in Schrager would skim it. Off The top of the nightly take illegally skimming cash was always part of the plan going all the way back to opening night. April Twenty six, nineteen, seventy, seven to fifty, four West Fifty Fourth Street the I guess to show up at the opening of studio. Fifty four were ushered in with little fanfare. Near empty. The new club in old converted CBS television studio seemed cavernous cold. The guests, one of whom was an ambitious coming real estate tycoon from Queens Donald Trump in his new wife Ivana fresh from dinner at lanes to see what all the hype was about. We're not impressed, but that would soon change shortly the close to fill up round. Filled up fast. They came pouring in through the front door side door, the back exit, ten to be open to accommodate the surging crowd inside months of smart publicity, well-placed notices in local papers perfectly timed tip off the celebrity handlers in organic word of mouth throughout the disco scene, created a swell of anticipation for the new club in an hour, or so after its official opening. That's well at crash down upon studio fifty four. Share made see people freaked out. She and actress, Margot. Hit The empty dance floor before anyone else and just went for it. Strategically placed photographers from local rags started snapping picks of basically the only thing that was happening at the club up to that point to celebrities dancing. Norm soon join them, and it was cool this mixing of class status. It was compelling. More people joined on the dance floor Brooke Shields not yet. A teenager brought there by British. Journalist Robin Leach was one of them Michael Jackson showed up accompanied by Diana Ross. Both of whom were in town, filming the Wiz. cogs photograph the music calls deep deep bass from the state of the art. Sound system got to give it up by Marvin Gaye I feel love by Donna Summer Sir Duke by stevie wonder sheiks everybody dance. The music was contagious us so as the dancing vibe was real right? The dance floor was hot, sticky fork. self-consciousness wasn't an option, abandoned visceral in fun filled room, liberation men, dancing with men women, dancing with whoever they wanted. Unencumbered bartenders young cut something shirtless, clad, nothing type gym shorts and Tennessee hustled the craft for tips. Celebrities mingled with Yorkers in off the street. No one busted the VIBE or the groove. It was almost innocent for New York minute anyway. Inside the sudden there were a thousand people and there were another thousand people trying to get in. Outside on fifty four th street, the crowd ballooned. Steve Rebels stood on a fire hydrant next to his head of club security in Cherry picked WANNA be discourse from the sidewalk for entry into his own private theatrical production. Choosing lucky entrance into his suddenly exclusive club was like he would say casting A. Like Groto Marx's famous line that he wouldn't want to be part of any club that would have him as a member. Steve rebel knew what kind of people should get in. And Ironically he joked that studio fifty four club goers shouldn't look anything like himself Schlumpy Short unimpressive, outer borough, bridge and tunnel a phrase he invented. Despite his self perceived shortcomings. Steve rebel had a keen for glamour, not celebrity necessarily, but physical beauty vitality charisma individualism. The scrawny boy from Brooklyn, with the pockmarked face had found a loophole grudges joke. He wasn't just a member of the club. He owned the club, and so he ruled like a little Napoleon that he was casting his embittered glamorous spell with a new kind of magic wand of his own invention, the original velvet rope. The velvet rope connecting on Stanton's was first deployed outside studio, fifty, four, his entrance to keep the prostitutes working times square out from under the marquee away from the customers, but with the swelling crowds looking to gain entrance the club. It quickly became a tool to keep the crowd at bay, clearly dividing those who had it from those who didn't. The velvet rope empowered. Steve to keep anyone who looked like him out. Stephen started from the bottom now he made it. He was special in his club was only for the special people and he was GonNa, Make Damn sure. He only person like himself inside. Outside the studio on opening night while Steve Cass club goers, the crowd spilled into the street in completely blocked traffic sirens wailed beat cop shook their heads in disgust. Prostitutes wondered what in the hell was happening to the neighborhood. WHAT AN HIM WARREN! Beatty tried unsuccessfully to get in, so did Henry Winkler the FONZ was shit Outta luck words spread around the excited crowd that Frank Sinatra was circling in a limo, his people trying to devise a quick entrance. And there was a doctor in the crowd who like the people around him have been trying without any luck to get in soon. He figured that if no party was to be had inside, and there was a party to be had out on the sidewalk about thirty or so ways of people back from the studios entrance. He pulled them in. Is Jer size container of Quail Woods from his Co. pocket and began passing them out to everyone around him. About twenty minutes later, the pills kicked in and so too did the pent up sexual tension in the good doctor's immediate vicinity. streetside or kicked up amongst the fully looted crowd, surrounding the doctor sex in the street on opening night, because why not? Because it was something to do because it was studio fifty. The next day Steve rebel was ecstatic. The opening was a smash it all beset so right there on the cover of the Goddamn New York Post with its front page coverage of the clubs first night complete with a photo of share, the studio rebel work. The phones called everyone. He knew to let them know what a success. The opening was his business partner. Ian Schrager work the books in attorney with a sharp mind for business calculated skin the cut for him Stephen. His other partner Jack Shea off the gross from the door. The bars check cigarette. Concessions was not an insignificant number. Business was about to go boom. Steve took a call. It was international fashion designer Halston. He'd read about the studio in the morning paper and wanted to know if he could throw a birthday party for the soon to be ex Mrs Mick Jagger Bianca Jagger at Steve's new club. Of course Steve exclaimed, he quickly made arrangements with Halston. Deadpan to his business partner. In Bianca Jagger is throwing a birthday party here. We need a horse. We'll be right back after this word word were. An it career at Gd, it means owning the opportunity to play a crucial role in transforming how agencies operate join. For challenging and impactful work that advances your career apply now at. 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The women like everyone else in the world had read about Bianca Jagger's Party at the studio in the papers Bianca was photographed riding into the club into her party on the back of beautiful white. Horse Steve had arranged. So these two women figured they could one up. Bianca not only mount horses, but the naked and be so over the top. They would be guaranteed entrance. Steve rebel took one look at them. They were bridge and tunnel. All the way Steve told in their horses come in, but they couldn't take their naked ss back home to Bay Ridge wherever the fuck. And that's exactly what happened. Next Steve rebel, vicious door, demeaning wannabe customers right to their faces insulting their appearance fashion choices through cloud. It made for Cultus exclusively. Steve made sure the qualifications for getting inside. Remain hard to pin down. It wasn't just novelty here Camper Glamour. Originality Authenticity. Disco Sally Widowed Septuagenarian born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, who still had the craziest moves on the dance floor, role arena staple Greenwich Village and the club scene, who is never spotted without her trademark, skates on inside the club stockbrokers, blowing off steam, coming out to party and drag and mingling with Drag Queen Royalty divine who could be seen Yukking it up with John. For All the access inside the club. Steve had an eye for balance keeping the blend of crazy characters, celebrities and regular club doors just right like a secret recipe. Studio fifty four eccentric regulars in velvet rope policy became legend. Man Mark Benecke regularly exchanged entrance for sex. The shot of superego adrenaline Steve from ruling over the crowd was better than sex Steve and callous and mean to his customers outside, but inside he took care of guests, especially, his celebrity guests showering them with drugs. Alcohol gifts it elaborate parties. Whether it was New Year's Eve or Halloween Bianca Jagger. Is Birthday are Andy Warhol's? The parties at the studio were not to be taught. Magic rain from the ceiling whether it took the form of a literal ton of glitter. Gift Fox's full of designer fashion. Dolly Parton held an after party at the club with live far maps. One Halloween party featured peep show. We're inside. Little people perform everyday scenes. Another birthday was circus-themed costs these provided by legendary Italian. Federico Fellini. Celebrities flocked. Liza Minelli Andy Warhol Truman Capote's New Yorkers. All adopted. The club is the regular and there were more selection of course Robert Deniro Co. mingled with his native New Yorkers and hit out for rats. Bruce springsteen traded blue collar credentials for the highlife Andre the giant. People Literally Mick Jagger Gabor with Bianca and found a new love Texas model Jerry Hall Keith Richards found his future wife as well. Another model Patti Hansen Steven Tyler to know Michael Jackson Michael Jackson. Get to know Brooke Shields John Travolta got with semester stallone. Grace Jones get naked a lot? Despite the velvet rope politics studio fifty four on the inside like disco culture was about inclusivity celebrities, working stiffs, stockbrokers, firemen, whoever it didn't matter as long as you were interesting, and had something to offer young old gay straight drag trans. You're welcome provided. He could get inside where you granted access to a never ending Shangri la freaks, Weirdos and For even the most stigmatized members of society can rub shoulders among other body parts with high. Society Shining Stars. New York's underground queer community was at home studio fifty four in a way that no suburban commuters could ever be because the squares imaginations just weren't big enough, but in this nighttime sanity fifty fourth, the shadowy corners of the outside world like bus station, glory holes became the main attraction in the club balcony. Rubber lined for convenience. Easy cleanup that preheated the moment sex axe that was upstairs. Upstairs the balcony at studio fifty four was for sure for blowjobs. But if you looking for something more, there were mattresses in the basement. grimy filthy mattresses strewn upon the dingy basement floor studio, fifty four for those who just need to talk. The basement was sort of the unofficial backstage where pretty much anything was allowed as if the open sex and blatant drug use going on upstairs wasn't hedonistic. Enough downstairs was worthy truly debauch got. To gain access to the basement he needed to be somebody in Steve needed to believe somebody and worthy of his attention and his drugs cocaine. Quaid lose lots and lots of cocaine in quail, lose A trusted bartenders security member would lead you behind one of the main rooms bars. There was a secret door. It would open, and you'd be guided down a dark dingy stairway into a darker expanse. Instantly you transcended from blitz crowd, a concrete floor, low ceiling, sticky steamed furniture randomly placed amongst old set props venues. Past is as a television studio. There was little light, the throbbed the massive subs upstairs propelling those on the dance floor. Motion, through you, hear murmurs, random fits funhouse mirror, laughter, midst bottles, being popped and blow of me hoover. Debbie Harry grabbing the ear Andy Warhol Truman Capote sprawled out on a sofa in his bathrobe, champagne bottle, dangling from his hand Margaret Trudeau Linda Ronstadt hanging off of so Brian. O'Neal sweating, subterranean sex, appeal and Steve rebel hanging off of his every word in the mattresses, there were set off to the side makeshift cubicles for privacy. If the drugs allowed and if the blow didn't blow your top. News didn't cut down sized to steal away for quick robbed. During the daytime, the basement was largely avoided by studio, Fifty four staff, but one morning avoiding the effects of last night's party was no longer option. The smell was too much too strong. The doorman and money counters could barely go about their business. They swore a stray animal. I climbed in and got trapped. The scent of rot was seeping in through the air vents. Reluctantly, Steve had the air vents inspected. What they found was rattling inside the basement ceiling air vents a dead man. Shunned from the Velvet Robe too many times to count. He Dawn, his tux decided to sneak in studio, fifty four through the air vent, something jammed among who knew how long you've been trapped in there screaming in horror, competing with the blasting music, the funhouse, laughter, and the constant Ecstatic Din and of hedonism. He was dressed to the nines dressed for the Party a party. He'd never attend dead in the Air van. Steve Freeze the sigh of relief. The Air van, not the DRYWALL, no need for the sledgehammers, no need for poking around and potentially exposing what was hidden near feet from the dead man in the ceiling rows and rows of cash, the skim hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars hidden away from the irs right there in the rafters and crawlspaces studio fifty four. Fuck Up. It was New Year's eve disco hitmaker now Rogers and his sheep. Bam Aide Bernard Edwards! Threaten House apartment. A couple blocks away from the studio. Fifty four fucking around the Tars, totally dejected angry. Doorman Mark Benecke for not letting them by the velvet rope into the studios much-hyped tighly exclusive. New Year's Eve party. To make matters worse Nyland Bernard just going to the club party, they were going on business to me with Grace Jones. Discuss producing next album so in effect there were standing her up and fucking business in the process. They banged under. Qatar is in between chugs of warm champagne street from the bottom. Fuck, up. They were messing around channeling their anger. Benecke at seaview ballots studio. Fifty four house disco built while disco music was being built part by now and Bernard. Fuck off the more they played more became clear that the sound of what they're messing around with was actually sounding pretty good. As, they dug in fuck off soon, organically morphed into. Freak. OUT FREAKOUT! Just like that Sheikh created a disco anthem. Born out of studio fifty four is ridiculous exclusivity. She's the freak. Go on to sell seven million copies and hit number one on the billboard hot one hundred. The first song to hit number one three different times over its lifespan twenty five total weeks on the chart. Now Rogers and mark. Benecke are now friends. No doubt because marks actions led to the creation of sheets massive hit in part the success of the three let's now rogers becoming an in demand producer and a working with Madonna David Bowie not to mention the untold millions of dollars. The track generated for songwriters. And the millions were stacking up elsewhere as well in an interview in New York magazine in Nineteen Seventy, seven on the success of Studio Fifty Four. Steve Rebel told the magazine. Only the Mafia does better that set off alarms at IRAS headquarters. Clearly rebel was joking about the amount of money. The club was making jokes must've been rooted in some sort of truth. Everyone knew especially IRS agents. How notorious the nightclub business was for skimming! It was a cash business, so it was easy. Skim money off the top of the nightly take not reported to the federal government, and thus not pay taxes in business taxes in nineteen, seventy, seven or a robust forty eight percent. The. IRS suspected rebel was screwing uncle of serious coin. So they got to work, rumor was the IRS had a plant a snitch. A disgruntled employee irregular someone disrespected angered by Steve rebel. Someone Steve Treated like. Either dress down in front of others kicked out of the club, but more than likely refused to let pass the velvet rope. Didn't matter either way. The SNITCH was pissed anger to being treated like Shit. And, so he told the IRS everything he knew. The drugs mouse cocaine endless supply of quite lose. Steve kept it in his office, kept the hidden away in various spots around the club kept drugs on, and especially when he had his big frumpy winter coat on, then he was definitely holding in more than drugs. The coat was big enough to stash stacks of cash as well cash Steve would hand out to friends warhol's especially, but would also used to bring back to his eastside apartment where worry at close to nine hundred grand in small bills ensconced in a safe. Ian Schrager sees business partner was rumored to be driving around the city with four hundred grand cash in his trump in manage the nightly. Take it most who worked at studio fifty four new every night at midnight, the receipts and the cash registers switched. The Cash Register receipts from the earlier part of winning would account for one set of financial books and the Cash Register receipts from the Second Party. Would account for a second set of financial trump's two sets of books. The Ian Schrager kept the take euless records. When Federal Is Rated Studio fifty four in the morning of December fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight. The book stay on Earth in the raid made clear to them that on average Steve rebel Ian Schrager were skimming about seventy thousand dollars a night over the course of a year and a half all in they take two point five million dollars, the top into their pockets tax free in addition to seizing records, ages also sees trash bags filled with cash from the basement and five ounces of cocaine. Steve rebel was arrested that day. He Andy and hired High Profile Attorney Roy Cohn a bowl of lawyer former attack dog for the red. Baiting disgraced Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy in future mentor to the aforementioned Queens. Real Estate Developer in future President Donald J trump Roy Cohn did not fuck around. He dug in began to fight for IAN and Steve Steve Rebel perhaps inspired by Roy Cohen's notoriously aggressive tactics with the press in his most egregious active hubris decided it was a good public relations strategy to accuse White House Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan of using cocaine in the basement of the studio earlier that year. That, about sealed Steve the fate, the Hubris the elitism the success Steve Ian, studio fifty four, the high profile crime in court case where in the papers almost every day by the time, the Sun came up on the Party of the Nineteen Seventies New Yorkers Americans frankly they were pissed off and tired of the elitist bullshit. Celebrities embezzlement designer drugs. These were High Society East. Coast League problems for a culture that was bending toward Ronald. Reagan conservatism in an idealized regressive notion of what America should be. It was shot and Freud when the judge gave. Steve rebel and Ian Schrager three and a half years in federal prison for corporate and personal tax evasion, a sentence that was ultimately reduced due to the duo's participation in helping the government convict four other New, York, city club owners, competitors studio fifty four. What A SWELL COUPLE OF GUYS! The studio remained open under new management and eventually new ownership. When Stephen Ian went to jail in nineteen eighty, but effectively with their departure and the turn of the decade, the party was over. Disco began with the spirit of inclusiveness, a music and culture that encouraged in celebrated individuality, a culture that was welcoming no matter where you came from or what your identity was male female Gay Straight Trans Drag Rich, poor young old. It didn't matter. You were welcomed so long as you were welcoming yourself. Studio fifty four embodied the spirit of disco and a lot of ways, but not for everyone that was the irony. Steve Rebels, exclusive velvet rope policy smacks of Elitism, and led to not only the demise of studio, fifty four, but of disco as dominant cultural forests as well. Nineteen nine July a loft in downtown Manhattan the remnants of a dinner party turn cocaine pre-game turn night out at the club with more coke turned after party back the loft for it all started with more lines grass to take the edge off. Early morning. Hanging out semi famous DJ's stockbrokers. A street artists in Grace Jones still naked a decade plus days at Studio Fifty four smoking at joint in the corner. It's a relatively chill seeing despite the better part of the evening being in the rear view too high to go home too tired to do much of anything, but wait on the son. Steve rebel is sitting alone on the SOFA, he's frail. Ten years removed from his heyday studio, fifty four his life since a prison term acquit career resurgence upon his in Ian Schrager is release. New Clubs and hotel ventures, and then the Gut Punch reality, AIDS. Steve was positive HIV. And on that night the night he effectively escaped Beth Israel Medical Center. Party he looked like death, knowing that the writing was on the law, then he only had a few days left to live Stephen. been drinking heavily in taking whatever drugs were put in front of. And now the coughing wouldn't stop much to the annoyance of the other guests in the Loft Steve Knew in Steve knew he had to get back to the hospital through the fits of coughing, he tried to make the dial on the rotary phone work, but no luck. Whenever, he gets bony, little finger into the hole, the spin the dial he'd start coughing again, violently ended up to start all over the coughs, worst thunderous, despite coming from such a frail man in seemingly endless and driving the others in the loft distraction to annoyance. Steve tried to dial again more coughing. No dice again more cops. 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Throwback Ep 42: Andre Leon TalleyI Am Fashion

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Throwback Ep 42: Andre Leon TalleyI Am Fashion

"Andre Leon tally has been fashion icon for decades for years. He was top advisor to anti-torture at vogue before that he worked closely with Diana Freeland. And Andy Warhol but life is often been cruel to Andre. I'm wasn't ordered a beautiful canvas bag from the back pages and it was. The bag was a plumbers canvas bag. But you can send away for this bag. It's eight weeks to come and I had printed on the plummets back. The word chunk cats junket if you look up the word. Because that's what appeals to me. It was promised bag it takes a plumbers junk a junket and I got the bag for the mailbox and open it up and went down the street and just walking down the street in Washington DC on Saturday morning. These these guys they just told me walking just came up and hit me in my face but I was smart enough to run support. Serena doorbell was a strangers door to protect myself and being beaten up by these guys the opposite understand what it was. Just reach out. Hit me so it doesn't matter you know. I just keep going when he thinks happened and no matter what I did. My grandmother always gave. Unconditional love so Andrei is a black man from the south. The son of a domestic who somehow became an indispensable member of the elite global fashion community. He's a large black man. Well over six feet tall. Who made it in a world dominated by tiny white women recently? There was a fantastic documentary. Need about him called the Gospel according to Andrei and before it ran he invited me to come and interview him at five of the screaming. In Manhattan it did it so much fun. Andre came dressed up in these magnificent multicolored Kaftan. Scientists specially for him by Dapper Dan. Now these events all sorts of people stood up and asked him questions including my ten year old son Hendrix. Don't know the trend for now you look and look and look for it. You finally found found it but you feel like the trend is unfashionable. What do you do I feel like? The trend is on fashionable. What do I do I simply go? And where what I think is fashionable the choice and I decided he's the people do do what they think is right. Do what you feel if you decide. It's your daddy does not believe short. I think that your daughter said wanted choice and he wants wears jeans. You must dress the way you feel and I always did it as a child. I grew up with my grandma's House and my grandmother allowed me to be free. You must dress the way you feel. I think if you want to wear a bikini to work you should wear one as long way that job. Wait wait wait wait listen listen you should wear the Bikini as long as you have a beautiful table call to cover it up with Audrey. His brilliant he's steep. He's learned a lot along the way. I tried to get him to talk about how he succeeded in what he did right and all that he's been through he's been through a lot. I really love this conversation. It was a lot of fun I learned a lot. It's Andre Leon. Talley on tour. Getting dressed is a matter of options that are based on the individual's life and everyone can be well dressed if they want to be because dressing is a code that expresses individuality. There's kind of a moral code to dressing and I think that most people live up to a goat as long as they are. Clean decent. Whether choices are you can respect them. So I wouldn't wouldn't tell you to get dressed a certain way I would say. Whatever you wearing is of interest is a jeans shirt is an interesting. Jean Shirt is not just any genes. Clearly you chosen for the cut in a fit. It's not some old fly-by-night Jean shirt from Levi's or something and I just don't think that You know the way the address today. Cool however. I don't think that you need to the only place where people in dressed for me on airports when you get on an airplane and you got some over fed person weighing the Hawaiian shorts from Hawaii Thon And there are t shirts. 'cause shirts now. I do think you can wear your jeans. You can wear flip flops or you can wear flip flops anywhere. They've got stylish ones for your men and women but I think that today the world dresses for Comfort. Yes they function and function and sexual awareness. People want to look hot and sexy. If you go to stores any fast food stores. They want to present hot and sexy. Even Athletic Store Salute Tacky. No that's not. Everyone must look sexy. Everyone's hope someone's GonNa get up for sex vibes but I know that people want to be dressed up to be sexy and hawks and what what what what would you say to me. And Not specifically me as as a man in general if he wants to address better. What does he need to think about? Think about the quality of his shoes for forms shoes number one number one. What should he be wearing? History wearing a very important sleek slick broke or very top Oxford. Very classic very throwback. What about sneaker wearing man wearing man is cool? A sneaker wearing man can really find great fashion sneakers. They've got stores with sneakers from years and they got two thousand acres. You've got gotta pay two thousand dollars for high top sneaker with the bridle bit on the hill and that is cool. I two of them. I wore them once. Because I don't want to miss a month. Never get him again. I the speaker man has many choices he can go online. He got all kinds of options for sneaker wearing and sneakers and cool because NECAS are now made in Napa. Leather calmed the guard song they could be done by designer. Rave Simmons Giovanni she that brand stuff. It's so you can wear sneakers. You wear sneakers with. No socks is a good look. You command high top shoes with no socks. You could wear very expensive shoes with no socks. Most people now into wearing socks that was a big trend forever and particularly with gay men particularly gay waspy man and four filtered over into the Black Culture Gay. Wasserman used to wear no socks in the summer right the Belgian slippers. But now you see that. It's a very big train. It's not just the trend for the waspy man but the gay culture and loves no slots with expensive calf bench may choose to get have good shoes sneakers or shoes because shoes you good white shirt fit into your body. You gotTa have a good clean white shirt. You have to have even a good sweater if you don't have a good jacket you gotta have a good button-down sweater cashmere sweater. I just got have a good pair of trousers. They have to be dinner. They could be just you know blue twelve part of what I like about. Your description is that you're talking about the items and sometimes you are just specific fashion folks. In general I think are two logo obsessed and you didn't mention any brands there. I don't restaurants do dress brands yes. I dress brands but they look like brands. I go for the individual moments in fashion. I look for the thing that stands out that it's not necessarily logo however I will embrace dapper Dan. And that's a brand. You WanNa have it back up actual special and cool but you don't WanNa have that brand logo your back. You know. How is a big moment for people? Some people goes just get the brand look particularly Gucci. What do women in the world? What does the average woman need to do better in terms of getting dressed for an average day? I don't think she she doesn't too much. She probably has to pay more attention to her hair makeup. The anything I think. Muslim are well-dressed today. When you see people walking on the street you they don't have to wear two little heels to be well dress. They have to wear. What makes them feel comfortable going to work? They wear flats. They're very you no they. They have to have a certain kind of handbag purposeful handbags. They have to carry their totes their laptops or devices preferably they should have a bag for just for the devices and then another bag. Just being a handbag with a girly things. The lipstick the comb credit card debts designer handbags. Stylish Fashion Land Bag. But a girl to me is fashionable. Even when she's wearing a knapsack however that net sat must be chosen with choice. It could be a PINK KNAPSACK. It could be a designer driven local knapsack but the knapsack should somehow coordinated with a look at the clothes. She has to coordinate her look her excessive with her knapsack when knapsack seconds accessories. I think that girls in the street of very interesting sometimes girls on the street and not very interesting when they are short much skin too much of a midriff. Too much cleavage. Psomas Dakhil Taj. You know too much build up the bosoms and stuff like that but I like the way people dress basically you know I what democratic never. What does that mean fast is free? You have a free choice as more liberal. It's liberating most liberal can get in the game yes absolutely and has actually make it fun whereas before fashion was dictated to you by rolls when fashion was fascinating I loved the broke through the ceiling in seventy one say one thousand nine hundred sixty eight seventy one. Seventy four fashion crashed and became something very exciting from the sixties youth quake sixties with a young people influenced fashion when black people influenced flashing. Diana Ross Influence Fashion Lady's influence that's brings influence fasten. Barbra streisand influence fashion. That was a moment when fashion turned the curve. It move the dial to a kind of freedom that never been seen before because before that in the sixties fashion although people were fashionable ball but they were most dress by rules. Rules of the mini dress rules of correct dress rules of society and now rules are more able to be broken. Rules not establish anymore. There's no rules you can wear a dinner dress. It's ten o'clock office meeting. You can wear a cocktail dress to work and be accepted the lady wrote about this in her memoirs. She said I'd see the day when women will show up with Halter tops at work and now that has happened when you talk about the rules being dictated and and and the the direction being given from on high you maybe that scene from the Devil Wears Prada yet right. We'RE MERYL STREEP. The end of winter character is telling US yes. Of course we dressed you even though you don't think what do you think about that scene and and this notion of the folks at the top which you agree part of dictating down to the folks did it. Happen existed for a long time. That economy happened economy happiness sixties and fifty S. What about when you were there? No we I was there. It was more liberated. Liberated people made their choices. They read Vogue for guidance. But people may choices before after doing that. When I was in the eighty s in the sixties fashion was still dictated to from the upper classes. Fashion came down to the streets with a great moment of Woodstock and a great moment of the Cultural Revolution of sixty eight. Sixty eight through seventy eight. Fashion was going to evolution that was based on freedom and choices and different cultural signals before that time fashioned was dictated by a certain elite that dictated fashion through the pages of certain high glossy fashion magazines. So if you followed faster to the magazines whatever. Your status wise was like student you read. Mademoiselle glamour married to someone wealthy live. The Park Avenue. Read Vogue and Harper's bazaar John Country and if you really want it to be fabulous and you're blind you read vogue and Ebony and jet and you follow the way people looked in Albany and jets and vogue and then you embrace it really when Beverly Johnson got him to cover of folk in August of nineteen seventy four. And that's when it was a breakthrough moment for the black people Miss Beverly Johnson was the first black woman on the couple of. Oh and nine hundred sixty nine. Naomi Samson because of life magazine Color magazine and they'll be sims also broke through as pioneer woman as a supermodel when she when I was a child sitting at home. My grandma and they'll be sounds was the first black woman in a bell telephone. Commercial Lock is in a Pale. Pink Bill Blass organs address and then she was running around advertising bell telephone telephone commercial and this was a moment and this was a moment of aspiration and inspiration. That was the first time I ever noticed that. A black woman with an advertising on television And Sam's was the absolutely great supermodel in Vogue Life magazine Vogue style lifestyle pages Vogue party pages iteration for Halston. And then you have the moments when you dismiss. Moment of freedom in the seventies was very very widespread it was global. Fashion became freer fashion with people who are running around going to rock concerts. People were being photographed for the youth. For the energy defy talented. The Rolling Stones Bianca Jagger became a big icon in fashion. She was married to Mr Mick Jagger. She wants Mick Jagger on. She had a great influence in fashion but she was often dressed with anti cats on an article clothes. And this was the underground because clock was on a brand name designer. The clock was designed in England and she was wearing little ossie clock halt addresses running around on tour with the rolling stones being written up by cody. That's what I I notice. Beyond Notice Bianca Jagger when she was on rolling stones tour we need radziwill and Truman was writing about the stones. To and the Rolling Stone magazine and there was Bianca Jagger running around a little pristine obstacle. Call to dresses. You know she got married in the south of France and eastern white suit. Wait what does this have to do with in blue? What did it? We'll talk about? I was saying this. You remind me of this famous scene industrial this this group that you were part of did they direct dictate fashion trends people going to really say. Mitt Green this season. No that's like a funny face in a movie. That's all a fantasy people will say. Well this is a big ongoing trend. Maybe it's the print dress in a certain season. That's going to be big. You have to be able to know that before it happens wreck this did you recognize it or did you shape it you recognize it and then embraced it and then you shaped shaped it through the pages of you made it happy. You made the authors offered as the suggestions and up to the individuals who follow that or not. It's been how strong it was You know remains vogue dictated and after that Graham Vote Mirabella's vote was liberating kind of a Rina's vote was a very autocratic point of view about fashioned sedan. Hannah winters vogue is liberated and offers a mini choices and does not dictate it just presents. The best excellence of standards of what fashion is. Because it's supposed to be for a broader class of people verse Asians Blacks Latinos. Wherever you got to read middle-class and you gotta be rich you got something invoked for you back in the day. You aspire to folk but it's vogue is a part of high low moments culture. How long are we there? I started at eighty three and I think I left ninety seven in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety. How did you? I don't know no no no not ninety seven now good lot? Eighty three about two thousand last so long through my face. Chiffon trenches swimming through the navigate to my faith and I had to look up to my faith and my ancestors my roots and stuff to survive that it was hard but I did it with. Grace and dignity and style was hard about politics and political backstabbing from other editors and just the politics people in the industry just hard. Racism is hard to racism. You know I talk about in the dial in the documentary. How Clara Saint the populations of of Director of Reeve Gauche Celera was going around Paris. Calling me Queen Call Right and one of my best friends Palumbo Cosso at the time who was also a great fan of Clara Saint told me this and internalizing bottle them up and I did talk about it until I don. Juan de we kate at the Vogue Archives and talked about that. That was a racist hard thing to take but I thought I was running around Paris and being successful and this woman. It's calling me Queen Kong. It'd be negative to be to be racist. Because she didn't like me. And I finally got to to articulate that thought and recently I particularly in a book Chris Tectonics with a book called Untold Eve and little and I told him the story and I mentioned her name so this was a cathartic moment for me to talk about that. Have you had lots of moments like that many moments that all my life? Yes I mean. Within the professional absolutely people I was very young and on top of the world and running around discussing e Sonera and all of this and bracing Karl Lagerfeld. Luby's you phone. She and by the way who bandage he was a master elegance. He died this year. I'm so happy to see that. Megan went and shows beautiful. Simple dress from the designer. Claire who is six is now designing Meghan Markle. He will be judged Sussex he be happy it his grave to see that. That lady looked so elegant and simple the way Audrey Hepburn looked. She's a new black Audrey Hepburn but like yes true but like Meghan markle. You were quite often. The only black person right in the room and I used that blackness did not use it. But but but did you ever feel alone. Did you ever feel like left out? No I had great friends will remain my friends and faster. I have people cam. You love me. Who saw me I was? They saw my talent. I'm Betty Control scelerisque Muse little life. Ls Karl Lagerfeld. These people embrace me for who I was. They didn't keep me there for my looks because I was taller black. They knew that I had something to say and knowledge. I'll give an instance when one of the great things wants one of my bosses at a women's daily came over to parison. He made it up. He made it up. He's running intimidate me and make me feel small. And he came into a meeting. He said you know they're telling me that you went in and out of every designer Abedin parachute designer bed in Paris. Said it never happened to me in my life and I said that's racist would take a lot to be in and out of designed bit and that was the buck it's like. Oh you're on a good for buck and that was so unmade up. I have never been a design a bit. I've never slept with a designer. I have been in designed beds as guests in his guest bedroom but the designer being in bed with me he or she and I thought that was the most racist thing. And I went to the Church of the Madelyn in Paris and I sat down and meditate and reflect upon what he'd said I didn't confront him with it and two weeks later. I resigned from him. Is where daily because of this man who said that to me and then Mr Fairchild called me please. Please do whatever you want. Stay in Paris. Do whatever you want. Will we want you to be with us will he? They were afraid I was gonna go somewhere else and I wanted to but I didn't get to vote. I was going to go to vote. I thought going straight to vote but I didn't get the job right then. I think it's the fucking eighty-three I said. No thank you and then. I stayed in the past three months in a designer. Bet In College. Guestroom paid for food. But we don't raise but you generally survive racism in the microaggressions by internalizing and bottling up feelings and thoughts of racism. Not Pushing back not pushing back not happy back. I didn't clap back. Being quiet just kept going through this Chiffon trenches knowing that I was doing the right thing to get my work appraised by the pirates in the best my work was validated by the highest people. At Deanna Andy Warhol John Van. Though three were making fashion in seventies John Fairchild was a King Donovan was the empress Andy Warhol was the catalyst and those people adored me and admired me for talent. And that's all I wanted to note that they were I was doing the right thing When you are looking at a scene a moment neuron set and I can see so much happening in the is and the mind and you're clicking and you're looking at the details what's going through your mind those moments when you're somebody's come out. They're wearing what they're supposed to be wearing and processing everything in my mind. I'm processing every single moment. I'm processing the dress. The clothes attitude. I'm processing how this is going to impact the fashion or that individuals collection. I have never note in a fashion show. I don't take notes and unscripted on scheduled withdrawal. I put it up here. I just process when you see me scanning fashion. I'm simply processing. What this is going to mean to wins work or the review. I have to write or the success of his show. So it's going what's going through. My mind is the beauty of it. The individual wearing it is it important. Is it important? The evolution of this person's work is just a great color is inspiring for the color inspiration is a quick process. I would hope it would be like the process is in great directors or something you know people who are sitting around who process things in a very important. One thing that you did at vogue was you made yourself a brand as a non fashioned person. I knew who you were. But you didn't outshine the ball. Never could would would not of her. But but that's an important thing to be able to promote yourself without outshining iconic boss and you. Okay how do you? How do you do that because you instinctively feel it? You feel you feel the boss and you feel how you can stay next to her and be supportive and yet be as equally as important to her next to her and she gave me that opportunity because she don't have knowledge. I wasn't there for my sexuality and my sexual open my mouth. I knew it was talking about the colors the inspiration to the moods I bonded I have a capillary of fashion. That most people will not go. You know John Saatchi. Chee the late. Great Johnny for Saatchi was amazing designer. The late great is Eli an amazing talent extraordinary man so these people the people I got on 'cause my best friends so I went home at night. I was basically be continuing my work relationships on the telephone or dinner My great friend Manalo Blahnik Obama call. My brother separated at birth. I mean I would have five our conversations on the phone with him between Paris and London based on something. I'd seen it for side or I would have conversations with dinner reading on the weekends and her apartment we will. Once we talked for hours city tonight about s Badrul the best place to get its betrayals south of fronts and we will talk about hours and hours about streak in Shanghai Express Hours and hours about Queen Marie Romania hours and hours about Lucchino Visconti your intellectual. Yeah well thank you. I'm glad you recognize that. I know you knew that he knew that. But I wonder if you find yourself surrounded by people who are not no always. This is what my relationship of made a bunch Karl Lagerfeld. I would not have bond it. Had I not talk to him knew what he was interested in my first meeting with lot? Karl Lagerfeld was in. May of nineteen seventy five zero. Tell taking up to the plaza suite with Andy Warhol. I was then fashion editor of interview magazine. What's chest bankrupted and folded sir? This was a great great moment a gateway to moments and Andre. We're GONNA come Karl Lagerfeld Jean. I said I said I wanted to interview but do you know. I sat down and read everything I could possibly mean about. Gallagher fell that could possibly inform myself so when I got to the interview dressed in khaki shorts and a turntable assured an attorney asks necktie and Avia Glasses. Halston that I had this look and knee socks so they said Oh. Did you wear hot pants in the seventies I dare you? I would never be seen these khaki shorts. And then he says tacky shows as said get it right. Khaki shorts this was Jacob Bernstein said I would be caught dead in the pants who everhart friends except the wait is four hot pants. That's no so I sat down to interview and I asked him the proper questions and I was cut to the chase. Eighteenth Century this focus eighteenth century stylized style of Eighteenth Street not only what Marie-antoinette was wearing. But who was a designer? Not Only Leo not address. What rug with walking on Infra side? What puts them copper drinking tea from coughing. What cafetiere was given to Marie Antoinette? For favorite hot chocolate. What was the paintings? What was the of Lebron? What was a screens? What were the tapestries? The fabrics all that stuff was very vital to calls instead of then designing for clothing so at the end of the interview. There's Andy Fred Bob. The whole entourage of the factory against the whole entourage Karl Lagerfeld at the Plaza Hotel Suite on a Sunday afternoon for T. He's come to New York launches Perfume Khloe. Clay was his first big perfume designed for chloe and it was a beautiful beautiful bottle but a lack of flour. Cavalierly and call said come with me to my bedroom. What's happening here? But we were all there and I thought well why do you WanNa see me a bit? Milona so I got up. It was five o'clock in the afternoon I went into the bedroom and in his bedroom with two huge steamer trunks dietrich would carry on Ab- steamer. He came to New York for five days with to FEMA trunks. Seven feet tall seamer. Trump's gone Paris Koya. He opened them. Things were flushed out will come buffalo's our come shirts. Things are flying across the business. Good for you take this. I'm tired of this. I'll take and this he body with me of what I'd ask him he. We become friends and from that day forward. We became the best friends. Foes Andy Warhol. He was fabulous. Even he was lying is child. He was like he saw the world through the child is the child of an innocent is of an innocent child. It was all curious to him. It was all newseum but he was very clever very smart. He was a brilliant man. He loved his money. He went to church every day and thank God was money. He's Catholic. He loved his mother. His mother lived with him in New York when he came to New York. He bought his mother to New York. Live because you grew up in poverty and he was amazing. He was so positive about everybody and everything. No one could do anything wrong. Everybody Grace Jones Schwarzenegger Bianca Jagger Mick Jagger. Everyone was fabulous and so therefore his life was fabulous because I think he was grateful. He had survived that assassination attempt from the back. Before I forgot to the factory. He was wonderful. You always going to dinner with a tape recorder in his pocket. You have to be very aware of that. He used to always take a camera. He would snap you just like he. Did you had to be aware of that but you had to be very careful. Senate dinner because he would be here. Have checked so the diaries. This went against the wall. Diaries edited by Pat Hackett but he was great. He was great. Unconditional supportive whatever. You wanted to be a do at interview. Did you accept when he wanted you to piss paintings? That was a series of piss paintings. he did they were in the Bobo in parison when he started the piss paintings He there was only one person doing them. Victor Hugo also lover and Victor Hugo with haul out his penis pee on the canvas and they were still screening Andrei commentator the pay spending crazy. My Grandma's grandma. When it comes out crazy go back and continue work. Did you learn more from on winter? Do you teach her more. No I learned from winter grape when things be precise. Don't wait time a meeting. The goes along the nine minutes. Make it up fast. Don't change your mind go to lunch. Lunch is over in less than fifteen minutes. Food is not important to her and the first time I learned that we went to lunch one day. We left the office to go to lunch at one thirty. We were back in office by one fifty and we sat down for lunch at Italian restaurant. I don't remember what I did not have much. I think I was like. Oh spoon fast fasttrack fasttrack shoot obsessed with vogue. She's obsessed with the. She knows her trajectory. She knows what she's going and she does not change her mind. She does not suffer change. Well let's think about this. We used we used to go for the whole weekend after the fashion shows. We go for the whole weekend and start on Saturday morning. Looking at flights in those states should look at slide box and be looking at bill. Blass for from seven o'clock nine hundred four hundred trying to bill blass rest. We're GONNA photographs without incident. We know why this this this you say. I like that dress address by stunt. I learned from a capacity of decision making precision and a kind of court protocol that I would associate with the highest levels of the court of her side. Wouldn't the entry navigating how to navigate through the borders politics political intrigue the Fashion World? She always knows how to come back around full circle when as little precise drama of something when people have had spats with designers and things like that I mean yes you wonder. How is it that she's been able to stay atop because she's been able to stay atop although the she is the only person she's been a long anyone at vogue? Yeah and it's because she is a decision maker and she's a precise and she follows her instincts and she's very serious about it to think he gives a lot of thought to folk. What did she teach? What did you teach her? I told her what I thought. Never quite the discussion. I think I taught her perhaps a bit more hard to be free and to be more spontaneous. You have a point of view. You are known in the fashion world for having a point of view. What is the Andre Leon? Talley point of view wide. While these people need Andrei in the. Thank you for saying that Tori and I really appreciate that. Can I do think that's important? I think that I might have taught her how to approach the world. The power world of fashion that people who make fashion on top with spontaneity and with being real inauthentic like maybe I could go to see Colorado fell and I could get him to laugh and maybe I could get called fell to change his mind about something because his he trusted me and we were friends because instinctively he was a friend. We're no longer that close because life is changed call with friends. I say up until four years ago and close close close friends I went through. Hell would call a felony with to hell with me. My grandmother died nineteen eighty nine and in in in in in February and Karl Lagerfeld Lover Shocked by she had died in. Nineteen eighty-nine that Christmas. We were both in grieving and mourning same. Mrs Reeling died in eighty nine so I lost my grandmother. Mrs Freeman and Carla Lost Jock. And we went to he said for me on the Concorde to come to his house for Christmas and I got the on Christmas Eve and I stayed for three weeks until two collections and January and guest bedroom. You know he house with many guest bedrooms so there was Christmas Eve dinner and they were beautiful presence that he gave me the most beautiful Faberge Diamond Pin with the diamond spelling. My name a LT waiting on them but he gave it to me in a little paper. Cup this a little paper Cup and I still have that. It's the most beautiful thin and we sat there. I would see him except for lunch. He come down for lunch lunch. What's called around him sometimes. Come down for lunch at four o'clock and we just have to sit in our rooms and wait for him to have lunch called and then dinner might be at ten o'clock because he was working sketching and that was a great friendship and Anna. Winter knew that that she could depend on me to get the beef. Where's the beef? Yeah exactly your ability to charm people and to get the people to give you the anti trust you to give you the good. So how have you done that? I've done it through my natural being my roots. I've done to him am just is me I. They saw in me the people who really matter it and he's still matter. Tom Ford so this to me. Mark Season Me Donna. I bring seizes mutual products. Season me. Bez you fall. She saw it in me. Instinctively people gravitate to people have something that is special and through the attitude of the way it's presented they can gravitate towards it. I mean I. I'm impressed so many people that impressed me and I have been oppressor to them based on something knowledge and it wasn't based on some sex and some racist sexual. No I'm no sex Bob Dole healthy fans talking about. But you have to Gab. And you could talk to anybody right space of my knowledge in basic humanity. Yeah I love human beings. I love people. I love people. I I always admired you. I might you your show. Who's the call cycle by that time? That restaurant with the England and call people at my just my tiffany Haddish extraordinaire. And she saw me out. She saw me out. She thought I didn't know she was a at the ball. And I said come here. And she came over to my table and said I think marvelous success is great. She had her assistant called me a week later. Miss Hatch would like to send you something. What's your address? I said we'll have. I said anything negative about her whether she said she just likes to send you something for having been so nice to at the. I've got this note from tiffany. I looked in your eyes and I saw the man it was to the next level. I was so shocked. You didn't do was and I said well. That's so nice. She sent me these flowers and I invite her to something and her sister what. She's too busy to come back for you on Sunday night to go to Avenue Venice Party and the rate for quitting sugar and then tiffany. I said well. This tells tiffany that she can't make this date. Maybe she can make another date where I'm going to evolve ball the ball vote. Ball's coming back. You know the resurgence of the ball culture. The ball culture to get up that means of course you do and So she wrote back. Tiffany says on applying back for that. I'll be there Sunday I have to wear. I'm coming back to party and we went to that party and we went to the Party and we stayed until the end with Vernay and that is what is all about them and that is how I think Andy saw in me. Mrs Freelance. So I'll be the first and foremost I loved and worshipped Mrs but when I got to the Museum. Oh my God. I was hiding behind calms when she would walk through. I didn't even want to go out and see her. So they said Mrs Robinson coming now down the steps to the museum because him institute so this will come in at one o'clock and but she the walk down from street level to the basement of the costume institute was a long wall. They'd ring up from street level and say MRS is on way down so it took me time. I had time to hide on. Colleges is walking through very dramatic performance but one day. I did something and I was given an assignment and Mrs Renoir through and I sit took hit behind the column to see her response and she stopped. She looked at it. She kept walking five minutes later. I was told by an secretary. Please come in and see Mrs Freeland. She like to see you. Mrs Ask. Who did this thing this cost with discuss them and Hispanic and slit and they said what Mr Talent. He's volunteering and she called me in and she said what is your name. Andrei insured many big on yellow legal pads so big that I could read it from that side of the Dez Andrei Help them and put a pencil down and she stood up and said you will stay next my size for the duration of Mike Show. You'll be by my side every day because you had put together an outfit that I didn't know what the Hell I was doing that she liked. Does she liked the way? I had rained on the mannequin. She just liked the way. I had put it on a mannequin. It was a costume from non-attorney non-attorney call the practical projects where she's a goddess and she's thrown into a big pit fire and it was sort of like a pack bond metallic swimsuit with fringe. But the suit was presented to me in a box and had been come undone all the fridge the metal French and so I was given that balks at a pair of pliers and the I got I went and I put it. Together I put it on a mannequin combine review and. She saw it before she knew who didn't ask who did it. And they said I did and then she called in and then we were became great friends but always listened. I always listened hobbies listened. What's that mean? I always listen to what people said. I never never gave an opinion. I always listen. I never given a painful. I was asked what I'd have opened my business relationship that oh no to the now. You had to listen to what Mrs Realm and saying 'cause she's giving you the narrative to this to eight Meghan to create that moment in time with address you have to create the vision of the dress in the film. So what are the keys to your career? Success Politeness Charm tenacity and homework research. Yeah Yeah I could spend around a dime. It's been around a dime review of collection. I would spin it around on a dime. I'd run right back to the office. And just sit on the telex machine and those days. We had telex machines. Give it to work on now. That's before my baby you had. It's like doing foot pedal organ and you have to sit there and Bang on television at night by yourself. And it's like a big machine and my things were filed from Paris by telex and I would sit there and write him from my memory and seventy eight son rock. Why don't you take notes because I've processing? I don't need to take a note. I'm looking at the close people. Scribbling and rights gap drawing scribbles up. I'm looking at the things go by. I'm looking at the narratives going by me. I'M NOT GONNA put my head down. I WanNa see what's going left to right left right back and forth is Mooney creating the attitude of porgy and. Bess is key heart his. She's these girls walking how these hats. What are these? What are these hats? Mean who what did Shofar Meeting Paloma Picasso's wedding what is she picking a red hat to wear to a wedding and a red blouse and a white jacket on a black skirt. What does that mean? I mean? She's unique and individualistic. She's culture. She's a daughter. Pablo Picasso therefore she can wear Red Satin Blouse me the wrong to have first sweating with white wool jacket and a black wrap skirt lined in red matched the blouse as some high heel ankle. Strap shoes and it's called style and you don't have to take notes. You sit there and you look. The movie is passing you by. You might blink. You might miss something you might fall asleep. You might do this and you might miss it. Every time I see a show I see it go by and I realize that something I can relate to even were show. I could find something good even the worst fashion show. I could find a good piece. You always have a good way of expressing your opinion. Not You know I. It's I remember when used to do full frontal fashion yes and my wife works in Fascist fashioned and so we would watch that like religion. And I'll never forget. We were sitting there on the couch. And you were talking about Nicholas Ghesquiere and you said he brought the water to the well and I don't know the history of fashion. I don't know what that means what I just got a of an emotional needs. I know what is what is the will but the way the not the not getting it historically correct but the way you of the moment of the moment was important. He bought the water to the well. He goes to the well. What else said that? Somebody else might have said. He re he redesigned fashion. He brought the water to the well. So that explodes in highs. I came up with people who read and Mrs Villain was steeped in Literature. Mrs Really was loving literature. Mrs Raymond Knew Isaac Denison. She was a friend. Baroness Blixen. I recall when Mrs Raymond's dim there. Mrs Regner loves the Written Word. She loved to read. She wanted to read the novels. The details agenda the Japanese novels the Princess Shea Shotgun. What's a favorite book for? What did you what did you love? I love very much gustave Flaubert Menam bovery. That was one of my favorite books. One of the first books have loved. Don't ask me why I guess she was a fashion victim. You know killed herself because she ran up debts I love reading about Gustaf. Love Their Selah. Mbo I love very much. Truman capote my favorite. Because I loved him for these from the south. He groped on suitcase with similar to call blood. No not in cold blood Thanksgiving memory favorite book. The best book ever read Thanksgiving memory because he was a grandmother. They were similar his on. Suk WITH BAKE. These fruitcakes and my grandmother and great grandmother would make fruitcakes in the fall and then they would not eat him until Christmas time they put cheesecloth over them in soaked them in Bourbon to keep them moist on the covered dish and this was a very important tradition. And did trump capote wrote about that and I discovered that and I thought that was brilliant and I got to meet Truman Capote. I used to go to his poverty. Union Plaza. What else do you read that you loved? Well I love very much reading. Stefan Joie I'm Marie Antoinette. I love reading about versatile eighteenth century France. I love biographies on Great People. I love the autobiography of Frederick Douglas of a slave. I thought there was really keep it on my desk. I remind me and I Love James Ball and recently I love anything that Tie Neat Nishi on easier. He wrote the was wonderful books and I also loved his great essay recently in Atlantic on Kanye West Limo Kanye West and I think that we all should pray for on. Us We should not abandon this man. We should pray for them. We should pray for him. He needs prayer. Why is Kim? A FASHION ICON. Because she's beautiful beautiful women. Well there's lots of beautiful. Whatever if you beautiful women with Kim is Kim has of reality showed it made a millionaire. Some other created the show fashion icon. Because she she trusted we've all she had for such and Vivienne Westwood and Smith who else she wants to that and she looks good in the damn close and you cannot say what makes a fashion icon festival. Client FASHION ICON SUGGESTS HAPPENED THE WAY. Dutch success is going to become the new. Black Audrey Hepburn. She is going to be that woman. I watched a film of her online before I got here when she goes into the palace with the Prince. They're walking up the steps to meet the the Prince. Charles was birthday celebration after a look. She's got the shape. She swung. Yeah her heels stockings. The made the point. She's sacrificed. She's wearing stockings. Well of course she's supposed to wear stockings. What is this racist Shet? She's wearing stockings. What else you're supposed to wear but sima stockings yields the way. She's walking her heels the way she's put a hat on the hat has a certain rakish the heels the way she has her hands the delicacy of her. It's very important. You must just quietly observe these things as they go by you the way her wedding pass through the whole world the television and made a great impact. Kim has had that in back. I I saw Kim. When she was little Reggie Reggie Reggie Raiding Rageh Ray Ray j branch other and she was backstage at a fashion show with him holding his and then I saw when she was pregnant with the baby this she have a baby before yeah should have been what she got married to a calm yes not just she had a baby. She's my coffee right yes she did. I don't I don't know I don't follow Kim. But she came to the ball he of pregnant. But as you've all dressed on and I know she had that baby four little north was born before she married cardiac because I think that baby north was at the wedding in Florence. Yes yes yes. Why don't you do your homework you can or you mean before the wedding not before Cognac. No before the winning yes. Yes yeah I thought you meant no baby with somebody else. Oh but but I I mean I feel like her being this raining. Fashion icon is partly sort of like it's part of what today is which People Watch. Television reality shows are so popular. I never understood the reality shows that can make you. I mean those Atlanta housewives. Those housewives of Beverly Hills housewives can go figure as a man in fashion d ever think. Do you ever feel a little envy for the options that the women have because they get to have much more common. Alexa game than the envy put. Women have men have the great options to they. Just don't use them. Men have the options as well. They have so many. Offerings men can be so fashionable. You know look at Elton John. Look at the man who fashionable today. Who the men that we should look up to in terms of fashion ability lake kept. Say All right offhand with men I think What may are there. Let me see migos lives in your neighborhood. Migos to group D like the migos their heart the way they dragged fabulous neighborhood. Well that's Brooklyn. They live in Atlanta. Oh someone told me that the Brooklyn. I think you'd like neighborhood like your people really talk. I liked it the way system. When they're wonderful they're one and another woman wiz. Khalifa is absolutely the best healy wiz. Khalifa is so elegant and so eloquent and you know. He's smoking a lot of blunts elegance and I've seen I've heard the word elegant of his Co. wages a walk up to the ball and you will then agreed with me. Where's Khalifa elegance? Okay yes migos Wiz Khalifa. I you know who is really elegant. Jaden Smith that gender fluidity it is various Bari. Jaden Smith is extremely inspiring Young man you like that that barrier breaking Jaden Smith gender barrier breaking. I don't think we as gender barrier breaking he's fabulous snow of course but but you jay choices for clothing. He's iconic representative Louis Vuitton brand. He doesn't farewell he kilt and he can put on some killer boots. And make it happen. Looks Credible incredible? What's your superpower? I don't have a superpower. I don't know what that would be. I don't believe that I don't know what can I don't know we can make a break me in that situation. I don't I sincerely answering truthfully I do not know I just go for it. I just get up and go every day when I go through as to. What do you say when you first are waking up and coming? I'm rubbing my knees trying to get the circulation and sixty nine years old. I'll be seventy October F. I live to see it and then I wake up and I say a little species scripture silently and I get up and I go to my computer and my bedroom and do about thirty minutes of emails and then I navigate down. I know what I'm GONNA wear. Because it's basically the same thing every day mini versions of them. And then I just navigate through the appointments after through. I try not to be stressed out the touched the car and traffic and all that crap but I basically do the same thing every day. Are you optimistic? yes so a degree yes. I am. I'm up to signal personally on a personal level. Not Everything will be okay in the end but it's a difficult struggle to get through the day but I'm not about the world. Sure the world said Europe to by you and your ability to achieve and I'm very optimistic about that conquer. Very optimistic about the. I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE STILL PEOPLE. Don't get me with this film. People will still will not get me. They don't get you. Tari of you would have been. We both could have been rich. They don't get us. They don't get black men. Come on but yeah then. You have successfully made yourself indispensable in a world of of subjective opinion. Thank you thank you dominated by small physically small white women right and you've been twice as your how tall you six six six six six black coming from an entirely different world no threat. No sexual threat. None none none. How how did you get along with being the only gigantic black man in the room in a room full of energy industry? All of it was difficult. I well moments in life alone insecure for thirty the Ritz Hotel in secure alone difficult. I can hold my own talking to Anna Winter. I can hold my own talking to the baron. That's the rock child home to the Baron. Airdrop child a barrel. The DAY SOUTH SLUMBER J. Andy Warhol. But it's difficult to go back home and you feel insecure. You feel doubtful. You're going alone. I've never had a love. So I'm sitting there in the guilt. Guilt hell of the Ritz. I was always guilt L. Gilt plated hell of the Ritz Hotel when I was coming fashioned in Paris talking to them. No Lennox hours to call hours about something silly or something serious like as betrayals or eighteen hundred and then. I'm sitting there eating meadowlands. How is it? You never had a lover because I never take time as afraid afraid of what I don't know I guess I was just eight beginning mostly to mostly commitment you were in the nightlife. You had tons of friends dressed very well. I'm sure that that people were coming at you offering coming at me. No no no no but I was part of that world that glamorous world the world of fifty four the world the parents the two. I was very much a part of Greatest Jones. I imagined surely there must have been somebody who just tickled your funny bone so my race. Jones did at one point but then she was very aggressive about it and so I pulled back. You dated Grace Jones. I didn't know that she was very aggressive in her trying to seduce me but I thought that we did not date no back from Greece because she was Physically intimidating you're at the point of Grace Joe. We associates. But I didn't know it and I wasn't having it I regret it now but anyway I exactly but no house. There have been no one who you like he calls. I was busy spending time with people interested in Me Sexually Tian. Arenas you think I can talk for hours but dinner rhythm about Esera drills and have time to go out and then pick up someone go have to date. No I'm focused on. Dan of remodeling icicle read entire books to the home on the weekends. Do you think I had time to go and read that book until four o'clock in the morning is this career is possible because you haven't sacrificed the time or because you have sacrificed the time for a relationship breath. I gave my time to people that matter to me. You dated your career. I guess you could call it that. This was getting dressed to go to Brennan's houses anything in the world that was ritualistic. It's like going to the Korver side when I got freedom for alone I do. I was never invited. Jennifer eight Jennifer six. I got invited to Oscar Francois de la Renta's House Jennifer eight with Henry Kissinger and. That's because talked on on Alexander Lieberman granting but I did not focus as much on that. It's going to dinner at his house alone. Because the compensation and it was going to be intense it was going to be an intense night and I was gonNA learn a lot. We got off the track gigantic black man in a world of tiny white people. How did you modify? How did you get through? How did you make them feel comfortable with you to let you in? Because I share knowledge and politeness gentility agent. I agree with them and gave my opinion at I had support. Help Stop Teddy taking pictures. You took enough pitcher. You got my phone. Listen I created scandals. I remember once I was at his house. And Paloma and her then fiance Rafael Lopez on jazz and his best friend. Havi we were in the closet of dressing room and we just come from some event and I had to go to a Valentino. Black Tie dinner at maximes and call a-x-i-o-s houses on the left bank in maximums on the right bank and my apartment was way down in the fourteenth on who they plant so. I've been to call logos felt house for a cocktail party. And I was sitting talking to Paloma and Javier and Rafael and I said Oh my God I've got to go. I'm on assignment. I've gotta go cover Valentine's black-tie dinner for his fragrance and I got it. I don't have time to go home and change clothes and call it. A fill came to the rescue. It's like superwoman. He's dollar get onto change clothes on and take my cosmetic dressing gown with friends. Take Care of you. He's gotTA white wouldn't taking my trips and put the Black-tie take this jasmine dressing. And just where you can have. That was and he gave me a beautiful black Kasmin dressing gown with a very beautiful edge with beautiful long friends with the rap. Tassell belt and tax it over to the maxine to the black tie dinner and no one told me that. I was not that in a bag of chips and I walked in the magazines and jaws drop. She like in the movie. Zhijie when they come into the maxine jaws dropping with Eva. Gabor comes through such strict all of society drop betty control all of them. There is will tropic. Georgina Brendan Laney and Valentino. And to this day they remembered as a scandal caused Scott and LACI celebrated in. Italian vogue had called sketch me the dressing and it was celebrated in reporting invoke. But when I did it it was considered the oldest tall black man coming maximes. How dairy not where the proper time? A little bit so for me. It was black. Tie Right it was. It was from the closet parents. But what what gives you more joy to walk into the room looking amazing and everyone go. Oh my God. He looks amazing with that. I don't want that moment or to say that thing that everyone goes. Wow that was really smart. No I would prefer said. Wow that was really fun. Wow that's great. It's one point to have fun than to say. Look at me. I'm studying. I don't ever want that moment okay. That's not the woman I strive for. So what drives you? What drives me is people I said to you before humanity. You want respect humanity respect and I want to be a respected in my point of view and thoughts and I got that in Paris. This this is why you have not needed. Love traded away love. 'cause I'm going to be over here. Getting respect they respected me say Taras I had the best and I can tell you. Listen I often look back at. I forget how many great things I did. I mean I went to the raw for the weekend with Michael Trunks and those people have to take my trunks up the staircase of the shuttle feet just like the other cases. What's the hardest thing you had to overcome in your career? The overcome that gateway gain my way that was a big moment interventions to overcome weight gain and I never lost the weight but it took me a long time to realize this what it is and I've got to settle his lungs. Them healthy somewhat overcome. Like that was hard for me to overcome. I lost my grandmother and I considered food in motion. Crutch because food is love you know black people. So that's the hardest thing I think when you lose someone that important to your grandmother your mother. Your Father. Your Lover and Carlos his lover to eighty nine. I mean call greet for years of a shock. You know and shocked about share with the great love of his life. I mean he loved his mother to his father. His mother died when a new car. But I don't think he's. He's took his mother's death is seriously jocks but his mother died at home in bed. You know and No it was. I don't get dressed up to create shockwaves. I dressed up because I like what it feels like. Which is what comfortable and elegant you not. You can be comfortable in Japan Pajamas. Exactly you're not come to you. Look Great I'm not going to go down and go get some crazy. You put it in the tape. The patterns together in contrast and all of that is modern. But what do you do that for you if you don't want? Everyone is the presentation one expresses to the world wants personnel clothing so my clothing is my armor which sizes which says what about your personality. Your arm is security. I guess I go to battle. You can't break the kind break through the chinks because they know they can't break the cheap. You don't seem insecure to me. I know secure secure but I get more of a sense of flare from your outfits. I get a sense but I'm insecure deeply deeply but I will rise to the occasion wouldn't insecure about. I don't know I just feel insecure foster imposter stuff. I guess I feel secure being lonely at about. I miss a about my future and stuff like that. I still need a future. Have Future insecure about you know paying the bills like everybody else is and everything else. I'm insecure because I think the world has tried to break me down without knowing that they would try to take me down. They never gave the full respect that I was doing until the stock metairie must think Kate. Novak doing math having a vision when I see the way responded to talk military it last night and Schoenberg night before the Times Talk Montclair New Jersey Toronto Film Festival. Lock Ma in Los Angeles. Elvis Mitchell is not to be believed people respond and I sit back stage and this is them laughing and they stand up and clap. When I come through so this film. It's more about a black man in the segregated. South bounces out of the south into this world of high fashion and makes it and survives. I did my gold plated. Hell I made my own though. Played it hell and I will climb up and stay on top of my gold plated hill as best. I can until the day I die what what constitutes the gold plated guilt? The guilt of being involved the guilt of being the fashion icon of being a fashion connoisseur fashion knowledge creating exhibits in museums. Which I've done Being of adviser to young people all of that he does come with a lot of security and the gold plated. Hell is I run around the world but a lot of people. I'm a lot of private jets. I'm swinging up. And down the private jet lanes lyles. I've covered the Oscars for e t. Iveco with the Oscars the Golden Globes to et and. Nothing comes to meet. I don't get anything like a reward for this. You know I do these moments that are give to the world. Something that is a slice of entertainment. But I come away feeling into thanks to Andre Leon Talley for several fantastic interviews. Thanks to you for listening. The show gives you fuel to power your dreams because you can use your dreams like a rocket ship to blast you into a life. 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FHM #31: The Cyclical Nature of Fashion

Dressed: The History of Fashion

20:22 min | 1 year ago

FHM #31: The Cyclical Nature of Fashion

"We are living in complicated times. I'm seventy rule. MSNBC ANCHOR NBC News Correspondent and in my new podcast modern rules. I'm going to be spending time unpacking packing. Some of the hairiest of today's top decided. I was going to be a survivor. Survivor fights back aboard. They want new. It's America listening subscribed to minute podcast modern rules on apple podcast the iheartradio APP wherever you get your podcast just the history of fashion is a production of Iheartradio over seven seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed. Welcome to dressed the history of fashion a podcast where we explore the WHO what when of why we wear we are fashion storms and your hosts April Callaghan Cassidy Zachary welcome to the show. There's Day eight which means it's time for another fashion history mystery edition of dressed which we love but before we delve into today's topic we just wanted to remind all of our New York City listeners listeners that next week on Thursday September nineteenth we are going to be doing a live episode of trust at Bard. Yes the Bard Graduate Center. We should specify pacify perhaps and we're going to be joined by scholars. Margaret Darrow and season one guest Dr Cates Drostan and a panel discussion fashion anxiety in society in Gender in relation to their current exhibition French fashion women and the first World War and cast and I actually had the pleasure of seeing this this exhibit when it debuted in Paris a couple years ago back now cast Gera- three years ago so we're very excited to see this new incarnation which which is gonNa be on view until January here. They have lots of fun no things that they've added to this exhibition so many very cool things from an era that you and I both love love and you can get your tickets by heading over to. WWW dot p. g. c. dot bar dot. Edu Slash events to join us next week and speaking of exhibitions April you just had the pleasure of attending the opening of another must see fashion exhibition this week. He toss a little bit about fit's Paris capital of fashion. Shen yes so the opening was this past Thursday evening so approximately a week ago and it was so packed. I didn't even get to to read all the labels because I'm one of those people that goes to an exhibition every every single thing so you better bet that I will. We'll be visiting again. The entire show is chock full of some of the most supreme pieces of Paris fashion. You really all should go see it for yourself if you can but a couple of my favorite pieces well one of them was George dress that was featured in Richard Avedon series of fashion photographs of Davina with the elephants. Yes yeah I had never seen an actual address in person and in this shoot there's a couple different your dresses addresses that were used but this particular one was the long sleeved black dress with a white satin sash and both just below the bust and it is truly truly exquisite and although it's from the house at your it's believed to actually have been designed by the very young. Yves Saint Rot who was his assistant at the time so that was very cool and then another one of my favorites was actually a film costume. It's this sumptuous Black Velvet Robe La Francaise with gold embellishment and sequence that was created for the nineteen thirty eight film Rian to Annette and it was designed by none other than the famed Hollywood designer Adrian Adrian who we keep saying we're going to episode on and we promised to because he's incredible yes and so the show up and like we said until January twenty twenty any so stop by the museum at fit anytime Tuesday through Saturday afternoon it's always free always free and I am excited to see the exhibition ambition next week so to today's fashion history mystery while he comes to us from a listener Adrian who running back Eh Adrian to us and said growing up. I always heard the saying fashion is cyclical and have witnessed certain trends that made a comeback such as ripped jeans high waisted pants and chokers. Do you agree with the statement. If so which trends would you love to see make a comeback and which ones would you say are about to make comebacks in the near future. That is a great question Adrian. Yes it is and I agree. Fashion is absolutely cyclical. The fashion industry is really built. Upon this the idea of change you know what is new is soon old so on and so forth it just keeps going round and round and fashions ability to keep inventing and reinventing thing itself is what helps keep this chain of production going and fashion never changed. I mean what would we have to buy. NEW CLOTHES RIGHT CASTS SUSPEND MONEY. This is all part of capitalism friends of course and capitalism is just one reason fashion changes of course as we have seen throughout history fashion in trends can originate inside and outside the industry itself you just look at the influence of US street style on eighteen sixties fashion for instance but you can only have so many new ideas right so with thousands of years of wearing clothing to contest with it is perhaps not surprising that fashion repeats itself especially especially in today's Day and age where any designer is hard-pressed to not in some way or another repeat what someone else has already done in the past as accounts like at Diet Product. an act cash and copy are all about pointing on instagram yeah but repeating fashion is not necessarily all about copying or knocking taking off fashion it can also speak to any number of political social economical and cultural factors that influence what we put on our bodies and how the mass adoption certain types of garments accessories or the way that we style or where are closed makes it quote unquote trend and well cast and certainly not fashion forecasters we have never claimed to be. We both agree that an Adrian presented us with a really fun opportunity to talk about some of our favorite fashion fashion trends from history and what we would like to see come back and also the trends that well. We would be very happy to never ever see again yeah. So what am I favor. It trends in fashion. History is actually the decorated poofs of eighteenth century France. This was actually one of the very first episodes we did address the fashions worn at the court of Queen Marie Antoinette and King Louis the sixteenth and that episode included discussion about these elaborate wigs and up dues the decoration one of which reflect any number of trends that could change on the daily so you have had pieces covered in decorations that could reflect anything from various military battles you you know to entire fruit baskets. I'm pretty certain that this is you know sort of intense. Spectacle fashion might not find as many willing participants in today's Today's modern age as in the course of eighteenth century France but it was certainly be fun if it did yeah. I WanNa know what happened to those fruits after they got done wearing them like they eat them. They get thrown out so poofs. Definitely were fun trend for sure but I mean think about out living in New York City. Where would you store all your wigs. You'd have to have a whole separate room where I'm sure there are plenty of drag Queens here in New York that do I. I know that's very true. It's it's modern incarnation yet but I think I have to say. I've been looking at a lot of fashion magazines from the nineteen seventy I do use castrol late seventies and early eighties lately and I vote that we bring back the look of disco because this is one of my favorite time period reads think those Slinky Jersey v-neck dresses that are like all the way down to their and Chunky high hills feathered hair her in the period of makeup really very specific. There were lots of color at the is in the lip again one of my all time favorite periods think Bianca Jagger think uncall- Stan thinks studio fifty four yes so let's see one fashion accessory that I would love to make a comeback is the shadowing we already did the history mystery episode on this accessory earlier in the season but I think they are too fabulous to not come back into ladies and gentlemen's Wardrobe so I mean purses are just just so cumbersome and why not wear everything you could possibly need on your waist. Also this is why I am in love with the recent trend for fanny packs that is definitely one trend that I think will always be in and out of fashion for sure and I'm. I'm glad that you mentioned the chatelaine which is kind of like this obscure. I don't know accessory jewelry type object to of. I think I would like to see come back. Actually also obscure jewelry objects I would love to see dress clips comeback and for anybody who doesn't know dress clips were almost like little broaches except they were they were actually clips. I think about like clip on airings and they were very popular during the nineteen thirties in the nineteen forties and you just clip them around your neck line almost like a little broach so those are very fun and another one which is days all the way back to the Victorian era where skirt razors cast you know about these right yeah. I was in my head. I was thinking is she. GonNa mention skirt razors because it's kind of the same concept yeah yeah for sure so they were kind of clips where you could lower and raise the head of your skirt depending on where you're going and frequently they were worn during the day especially when women are outside walking around around the dusty dirty streets but some of them were quite decorative this quasi practical accessory but also a decorative. Greta form of jewelry of sorts. Yes they're very very cool. We should actually try to post pictures. If we have any so my next on let's see I don't know if you can call this a trend but I I am a huge fan of the emergence of more and more designer's going to up cycling and recycling to create their garments two of my favorite companies these include neo threads and by Eric and I just had the pleasure actually of seeing ems collection just last month at the Santa Fe Indian market annual fashion showcase of of indigenous designers. Stay tuned. We're going to have an episode on that coming up but her clothes are all made to order and her Brooklyn Studio and the company's website confirms that they're quote strict on our minimal waste policy and are always trying to find ways to reinvent leftovers and scrap material and turn them into fabulous fashions so very cool business concept concept and really really cool designs and neo threats is the brainchild of Sara Gonzalez whose company is dedicated to the transformation of discarded clothing into fresh one of a kind hind pieces their motto schoolgirls care and I could not agree more. Both of these companies are amazing and up cycling. Just might be the future of fashion. Russian and I really hope so well funny that you mention that because I would like to talk about FAB scrap. Who Do you know about FAB scrap. I do not Oh okay well. Let me tell you so fab. Scrap is not for profit. That's here in New York City. They have two different locations. There's one in Manhattan and there's also one in Brooklyn and they also have an online presence at FAB scrap dot org so that's F. A. B. S. C. R. A. P. and what they do is so cool. Basically they will go around two locations here in the garment district or other design studios in New York City and they'll pick up your leftover fabric and Dan they have a couple of different warehouses where everything gets sorted and then you can actually go purchase fabric for extremely low costs which is Richard really really neat and some of the designers and manufacturers that donate their scraps to FAB scrap include Marc Jacobs Oscar de la Renta Badgley Miss Ah Carolina Herrera so these are like you know high quality textiles that you can buy and you can also buy online and they will ship them to you so for all all of your listeners out there who so checkout FAB scrap dot org and they're also always looking for volunteers to help with the sorting process and if you volunteer for three hours you automatically get five pounds of free fabric and after that it's only three dollars a pound so stocking go oh and also they're not for profit so if you like what they're doing I'm sure they would love to receive your monetary donation as well. Yes renew reuse recycle cycle where all about it so cool and so many companies are just a few of the many many companies that have kind of jumped on the environmentally friendly Eco Sustainable Sustainable Up Cycling Bandwagon so let's keep that Wagon Rowley okay what else you want to never ever see. I don't know about you April but as a new PhD student on a college campus I have to say that athletes trend the athletes leaders trying to say is in full effect and I'm not kidding seventy five percent of the young women here where athletically to school and I'm GonNa have to blame the Kardashians for that one. I think although it's not just for the ladies I have to say my husband is also a convert to the idea of athletes daywear yeah yeah well. I mean I have to admit sometimes like if I have to run an errand like I'm just going to pop over the grocery store or something like that might wear leggings but I'm not going to wear them out to like a proper way hyperactivity but you're right cast it's all over the fit campus as well I walked out of my office the other day because somebody had knocked on my door and I answered it and the girl was wearing biker shorts and a crop sweatshirt sweatshirt and sneakers and right I was like Oh that's the exact outfit that I was trying. I would leave volleyball practice and hike and the fact that it's on the campus confirms that this is fashion adorable but I was just like Oh. I've warned that before a two one fashion trend that I have grown to have a new appreciation for but don't think it ever needs actually come into fashion is the G-go or leg-o-mutton sleeve which are wide poofy sleeves seen in the eighteen thirties the eighteen ninety s and on the runway the last few years and yes it is French and pronounce announce G-go but I actually prefer the literal fashion Gago especially when you say it in reference to American duchesses go go girl gang because of the alliteration and abby and Loren actually guests on the show earlier this season and we talked about there she go go girl gang of eighteen thirties wearing a friends and they actually recently published a video of the gang on scooters and fabulous Tsuguga immediately but as a trend not really a fan literally your sleeves are competing with your head for attention yeah and speaking of abby and Loren. I'm actually going to see them this week yeah they are coming to fit and and to do an event for our love your library series because they just published a new book on Eighteenth Century beauty which we've actually mentioned on the podcast already but the book teaches you how to do eighteenth century hair right which is incredible and they also have recipes in there for all the Pa- made and you know L. Hair powder and everything and so they're gonNA come to fit on Thursday and they are going to do a live demonstration on how to do eighteenth century here. Oh that sounds so fun you're going to have to post some pictures on our address to count yeah and I also think they're giving a lecture at the New York Arts Club on Friday which is free as part of their fashion Fridays Friday's of it. Oh cool so everybody check that out. Finally I really am a fan of the recent trend for high wasted jeans one and gene trend. I'm not a fan of its exact opposite the low rise we all were them. You know you did too. Oh Yeah I mean I was a teenager with a flat stomach wearing low rise jeans and the Ubiquitous Thong undergarment but new longer and I have a sneaking suspicion that they they are on their way back April because as Paul poiret once said every excess and matters a fashion is a sign of the end so you know pants as Ghana's really as high as they can go oh and now it's time for them to go as low as they can go. Although we shall see if McQueen's dumpsters every make a reappearance yeah I bet they will on that note of of pants you know what I would love to see him back and I do see them here and there sailor payouts. Oh yes Taylor pants. I think there's super flattering on everyone. You know that that little kind of like higher waist with the really wide bottom legs I think just about everyone can Iraq this yeah and then they have the two rows of buttons to your a high waisted pants are really flattering so I'm all about it but I- sneaking suspicion that those low rises are on their way back into our war a not mind but onto the runway perhaps we shall see. I have one more thing to add something. I would like to go away and that is these really short. Jean Insurance where the pockets are hanging out. You know what I'm Dan. That's not all that taking out yeah. Oh I have seen some things. Let I tell you it's the bottom part of your bum. It is that is affect an actually saw somebody who's lady parts. Were a little bit exposed the other day. I was like do you. You know what's happening right now. Are you aware of the situation back there. GAM so as far as kind of prophesized if they're that shorts are literally literally underwear now so now maybe I don't know Capris or what are the shorts that come to your knee. Those are coming. What are those called under me to Bermuda shorts yet so yes Adrian Fashion Est cyclical aw thank you for this relief in question we had fun with it and that actually does it for us today. Dress listeners so we hope to see you next Thursday but if not we'd love to hear from you about your favorite and least favorite fashion trends in history so please write to us at dressed IHEARTMEDIA DOT com or direct message us on instagram addressed underscore podcast which is also our twitter handle and you can follow us on facebook address podcast with out the underscore. If you are a fan of the show and want to take a moment to rate and review us on Itunes we would be oh so grateful. Your support means so much to us and I think that does it. We would like to say thank you to our producers. 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Jennifer Aniston & Ex John Mayer Dating?! Zendaya Slays, Nicki Minaj Dragged for Rosa Parks Lyrics - Daily Pop 02/07/20

Daily Pop

41:28 min | 1 year ago

Jennifer Aniston & Ex John Mayer Dating?! Zendaya Slays, Nicki Minaj Dragged for Rosa Parks Lyrics - Daily Pop 02/07/20

"It's a discussion of the latest entertainment news and celebrity gossip that go beyond the headlines welcomed daily pop. The podcast edition Today on daily Kim Kardashian. West says her son is her dad reincarnated. We're GONNA get into all of that. But I was Jennifer innocent on a date with John. Mayer La's night. I'm Chris this is just an a morgan and welcome to daily. So here's the big guys. Jennifer Aniston is living your best life and she was spotted near another famous acts. People are freaking out again. Look not the best picture but here is JEN. Leaving Sunset Tower just moments before John. Mayer left okay We don't know if they were hanging out but the timing is quite suspicious okay. Do we think they were there together. So as a frequenter of sunset tower this is they were not together. I feel towers one of those places. You can vouch for me. It's like John Maher every Thursday. She's there every week. It's like it's a restaurant that everybody goes right. It's not they were. They probably said hello. They probably were nearby tables. But this is just sort of one of those restaurants that like it's just infiltrate celebrities in and out all day long and that that's probably it. They're friends with the owner. It's not one of those things. It's your favorite thing to order. There's such a celebrity hotspot I love the devil. Really good but the Tuna Tara Tara. I really liked when they make it spicy. I usually just do apps there. Then I got a chicken and it's this is in my head. I don't know I'm not gonna eat the whole thing yup not to bore you on this. It's it's it's a very good people watching spot okay but people are kind of excited because it's already thinking could they get back together. Do you see them ever getting back together when they broke up. John Mayer said some not so nice things about her in a playboy interview making reference Sir Age and how she didn't understand twitter and that you know her Bain came before teams in twitter and she probably hopes that nineteen ninety eight happens again like I didn't realize it was so now. John always does because whenever he worked. It was like you know. I wish it would have worked out but I need to be thirty. Two I just acknowledging the age difference but making her sound so dated and old. It was weird. That to America's sweetheart. I'm sorry imprint. And also you know that she was probably resistant to them going out at first but then she was like you know what he's hot. This is going to be a little bit of fun. He's putting in the moves like I'm going to do this for a little bit. But look when he says that it's probably like why did I not trust my first instinct? Don't go near the Hawkeye. Hardest fall. He was that was his best. Those glasses I can't with you guys. I don't think that they're going to get back together. I think this was just a coincidence. This is lane for Japan. Well Anyway. Moving on we've got a new dad. Jacob eller deciding the two walked the cover separately for Bogor Bulgaria's New York Fashion Week parties. Day has been named a new brand ambassador. She looked of course amazing last night. This is believable. This belted organza moment is every single thing. It really is you know. She's kind of like a mini baby. Riana in terms of the fashion. I am so it's it's not even healthy. She's like Bianca Jagger for me. She's like a Modern Day music every designer wants to dress and the thing is get. You'll get a look here and there. She's it has something on on you'll get two months of looks within diet. You get insisted look like but also I feel like consist. She's more on the red carpet then on it but I feel like we're GONNA in terms of fashion. They can go that like bold daring place. Not a lot of people can pull off. They wear the clothes. The clothes do not wear them excellent. All right well see era was also at Bhagat Bukhari. This woman is six months pregnant right now. Dan still looking bomb. I can't even tell she's pregnant and that I literally forgot that you forgot to. She looks amazing. This is powerful. It's strong it's so Sierra. It's so cool with the oversize leather. It's just her things with the everything. Lean on The sunglasses up. I love it. I love his pregnant person. I've ever seen the matrix moment. I loved one. Who looks like they took the blue the red and then grabbed the yellow while she was added? Yeah like she is in the Matrix. Hazy Okay Carrie Washington. She was at the essence black women in Hollywood awards luncheon. I like this look. I think it's not fully expected for her. It's interesting I like the muted tones. I think it's fresh with the white on the bottom. I like the ponytail. I think it's it's definitely a look and I I don't I don't dislike it. She's been using luxury Lawley. Things are starting to get a little bit more edgier having more of a moment and I think for her this was such a step out of what we normally for her. But for this I loved it. It was beautiful. It was gorgeous. She just looked philology. It's strong too. I love a woman that looks strong one hundred percent and you said in person which is the key element there because you were there so. I need all the scoop. Yeah it was at the red carpet. Unfortunately they invite me into the lunch and I'm still matic. I spent some time with real housewives Garcia Beauvais and find out if the kids were really in Billy puertas future and also talked to carry about her role in little fires everywhere. What's it like knowing that everyone in Hollywood knows that you're the first person that they want to work with when they have projects coming up? I don't know if that's true that you're the only person you saw role. I feel really blessed that I get to tell a story that you really are creating opportunities for other artists and artisans to do what they do. First African American woman on predominantly white dominated show. It's crazy but I also feel like it's about time I'll bet you fill in the season. Did you realize it was going to be this crazy? No not at all. I mean I've always been a fan of always watched the show but to be in it and see the crazy all around me so fun. Rule return for another season. I believe I would. I would ask if she hadn't gone to the reunion. Yeah Okay what have. What have the women told you about the reunion? Have they warned you? Lisa Reynoso Worn. Maybe talk about the fashion. We talk about the projects. But there's always a handsome man on your arm. My husband your husband. Who is this man husband? Adam Smith? We met about ten years ago when the kids come and Billy. I haven't okay. It's really not Cristie Kerr. I'm a good gunk. And then they go home Cressey kid I know crusty looked around for everybody with kids. He was like no crusty kids. Hearing Me Y'all London ends about what he's GonNa do at the Oscars reporter said the one thing you will never get out of. Him is hints about fashion. He will never tell you what he's about to do. I love that I like. I'd much rather when people ask me. I've gotten like what are you wearing? Sunday? I'm not telling you never told anybody any of that. So everybody no you. Can't you gotTa Save That for Yourself? I don't know what he was wearing on Sunday. I do show quite a few people. She ourselves by that thing like this. You show and I don't get a big reaction like do we need to rethink this draft. Yeah I know that's why I don't do it. I don't want People's opinion I just keep it. Keep it clean. You know we've been talking about the. Hbo Show Legendary loved the ballroom scene. Right yes so I ran into the whole cast oppose almost a whole cast oppose on the red carpet and I was just curious because you know people have been going back and forth with their opinions about. Should she shouldn she was an? Hbo Max's Fall So actually asked them how they felt about. Jamila being on drugs. Just take a look at this get all. Hbo Just Green Lit legendary a lot of mixed emotions about the show about the cast. How are you feeling about it? I think it's made that our stories are going to be on the scene. I think it's I'm glad that worker and mainstream now and there are people that are hosting in that are judging you know in their most of them are of color. So I'm listen. What I know is that a lot of people are passing the buck right now. Everyone was clear from the beginning that does Shawn was the host that lay Omi are content like they needed to push it forward so that it looks like a queer person is running the show in the same way that Rupaul runs drag race. She is the HP. I see and you got other people that come in as guests every week because they love and want to be a part of the culture. But you don't lead with that as you mentioned to me. Legit mill has been feeling the heat after being named part of that show. Many hater said her job should have gone to someone in the ballroom world and someone was strong roots and the lgbtq culture so after defending yourself on Social Jamila eventually came out and said she's Queer. She said that this is absolutely not how she wanted to come out and that she is jumping off social because she does not want to see all of the mean comments. Oh Yeah when you say saying you having it only now I will say this. I've always said this from the beginning. I think that if she got the job she did get the job. I am a job as a judge. I'm cool with that. I think as real Max again. Kinda SORTA flobbed a little bit by putting her at the Ham and saying that she was the emcee. It was the verbiage and I think all the girls on the carpet agreed. This is the part that I don't like SIS. Welcome to the club. We love you in Queer Life. Lgbtq come right on in it's cool. I just wish that people didn't use it as a lifeline like hey mino- I'm crew to Minot. Now it's fine. I'm going to you know about this about me so I deserve to be here instead of just do you think. Would you have preferred that? She corrected obviously HBO. Max Put out something that was inaccurate. There was inaccurate information that she was going to be the emcee of the show. Instead of just a judge you think you would have been happier with her. Just saying there's been a miscommunication. I'm actually not the house. I'm just left it there. I think she should have left it there. I think she should wait a few minutes and I do feel bad that this is her truth. I truly believe that she is a person I just never. I get weary about it when people use it as a joke maybe started with. I am a queer woman and I'm going to be part of a show that I'm going to bring relevancy to the MC. I'm just the judge but if there was any question I'm queer like she should have said that maybe in the very beginning with that have been less like when people are like. Hey I'm queer and I just WANNA emmy not. Hey I'm queer. I'm getting heat on instagram. Like you just need to come out. Whenever it's a joyous occasion you WANNA say. She added a rainbow to her twitter name years ago. And she brought that up in there but that's like so subtle and she is a friend of the community. She has always been an ally so I don't think anybody would read into that and thought. Oh that means that. She's saying she's Queer. I think I read it as she supports the community. Yeah I knew that she identified as clear like for a while now on the back end so I know she's telling the truth. Of course I know that's not no we're not just saying more than the timing around it. It's it's unfortunate because I think she felt she had to and this is like like she said is absolutely not how she wanted to do it because I think she probably understands that she probably thinks. I don't want people assuming like I'm doing this for a lifeline or that. I'm just throwing this out there so that people aren't mad at me anymore. I think she felt cornered. She felt like she had to come out. And let everybody know. This is what happens in media. You know this better than I do. Because you've been in this game for far more years than I have. Yeah yeah she's something comes out until something comes out on a Tuesday like this whole legendary thing and it's like Oh my God we can't believe and then I always tell people I always tell publicists. Just wait something else is going on right. And they're gonNA come out if she just would have waited and let the Nicki Minaj Song. Come out and also led the Gayle King thing come out the CBS situation. Nobody would even talking about this today. No but in reality it's her truth. I think it would have kept coming up because people were upset that she was a part of this show. That also isn't right because she obviously is somebody who has a she's relevant. She's going to bring light to something that a lot of people don't that's now that's why they are choosing these people right. They want to have these stories be made and they want to put people in place of or in charge of that so that there's light shed on it is also there's a madness method behind the madness. Listen Rise in twelve years of slave came out in twenty fourteen and they were like Brad Pitt to star in Twelve Years Asleep. And then you watched it. And you're like wait. Hold on there was only like you had two lines in twelve years a slave but it got people to watch that movie yes even but made Lupita the younger who she is. Today it puts Utah on the map. All these people knew. Okay we're just GONNA attach to this because Brad Pitt will bring to the audience. So it's that situation ultimately right you want these stories to be told it's just how it works. You know. Yeah all right up next Kim K. W. says her son Song is her dad reincarnated. Do you believe it we'll discuss. We were in Bali and a woman a blind medium came up to me and said that I was going to have another son and it was going to be my father reincarnated and she had no idea that my no one knew not not no one on my crew. No one knew that I had a surrogate that was pregnant with a boy so my whole family. All the time thinks it's my dad. Kim also mentioned that this also happened another time when her nanny took some to a baby shower on a woman who did not know who they were so that Saddam was a reincarnation of a family member on his mom's side so she's heard this now from a couple of different people. That's crazy. Do you believe it I do. I feel like when I read this yesterday. And I looked at SOM- I feel like I've obviously seen photos of some but not the I mean. Maybe I just didn't look at him with as much intensity as I did. He looks so much like her dad. Yeah don't you think so now? She's is or eyebrows like they really do. Look so similar so I do believe in that. I believe that that can happen. I believe coordination. I've had reincarnation with dogs. Yeah Yeah every time I've ever lost a dog. A new one has come in right away. It's true swear the same dog again. No I know you're talks. He sees the Milan to see. You can talk to your dog so you feel like they have exact same personality as the previous dog. That's and it always happens. It's always I always as one is passing away. One comes in. I got one. Yeah I I don't know that. I believe in reincarnation but I haven't really fully thought about it but if I if I had a bunch of people telling me that chase was my grandfather or something like that I would find peace. I would find that peaceful and cute and I wouldn't creeped me out at all. I would like that creepy of a grandfather. Just watching you the whole time. Ristic's down. It's that's really what it is. Yeah I mean wouldn't let me out of your baby you can't. You can't get grouped baby. I believe in reincarnation because I believe in past lives. There are times where I meet people and I know for a fact they we were. We have unfinished business from time before and I can feel that in my soul like Tom and I have so much unfinished business and I don't know why lovers in it last year when lovers definitely a time where things. We're not yeah. I think we're not working out in. That's why there's tensions here for sure. This is where I really do. Believe that Gary Gary Gary and they have a nice relationship yeah there. It's like an of present. This is your first life together. Yeah you definitely smothered me an eighteen sixty four something off a train to like you know like go with the Indians like lever about. Yeah Oh man it'll be with Marilyn. Yeah thank you okay. Okay we ask. You are you to pull. If you believe in reincarnation. Fifty eight percent of you said No. I don't I can't believe that's happening from our audience would believe aright well unless we bonded Nicki Menaj. Yikes is right. Because Nicki Menaj is catching some major heat for some of the lyrics and her new song that dropped just today but guess what she doesn't care to the line in question to cut cut click. Clack come to look up the FEC food okay. So a lot of people think that her. There's a Rosa parks line in there in case you missed it. A lot of people are saying. It's very disrespectful. Few others argue. It could be a call to action. Well Nicki posted a screen shot of the headline claiming that she said her was bad. Timing but he says No. I never said this. Don't care She had no clue. Anyone is even mad So what is she trying to say with this line? Which just wanted to read it? 'cause YOU'RE GONNA make fun of me when I read you should do. You should really nice actually honestly think you should do it. Honestly if they were going to get to the deep block by the time someone reads it all you bitches Rosa parks. Oh get your ass up. You didn't think I didn't try to try to pretend like Nikki. Okay so what do. Y'All think disrespectful. What do you think she was doing it? I think they make as an artist in Nikki. News in order to break the clutter of the music industry. You gotta come with something. That's GonNa meet people talk in tweet and re tweet and share and I think for Nikki. There is over one hundred and twenty million artists on on spotify. That's crazy. There are two hundred seventy five songs being put out. Today I get it you gotta you really want to break the clutter with Rosa Parks. Look February might have been a bad month to drop it but people do it all the time. Look at Dave Chapelle Day. Chapelle talks about the letter people. He talks about juice my leg. He does things so people can talk about it. He can he talks juicy juicy smolen. French guys users me about UCLA dates. Your PAL is an artist. I feel like as artists. You've got to be able to break the clutter and I think sometimes you gotta ruffling some feathers. Well two thousand eighteen. She declared herself the new. Harriet Tubman on twitter. And so now. She's gone a little bit after. Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks. It's a little much. I think it's a little much but at the same time. I'm not even that annoyed about that. I'm annoyed that. She says she was retiring six months ago. This is his personality. She said she wasn't going to be making any more music. So why are we hearing from her like unbelievable but I get your point? But why did you go out and make this big deal by retiring? You're having kids. You're not going to put out any more music and then literally six months later. Drop a new song. So Nicky Moniz drops the song talking about one of the most influential people in the. It's okay but you're catching onto the greatest salt. I ain't kidney and she didn't say that. Do you understand why people are upset? I think people are upset. I understand it. I just think we're talking about the song dropped. Headlines are everywhere people are going to stream it to see what it's like. Nicki Minaj is going to get the streams. She is smart. You think that's what you can basically say whatever you want if you at least you get the streams. I will say this Rosa parks and Harriet. Tubman ARE GONNA be waiting at that gates. Run up on Nikki when she when she finally passes but that's that's when she gets a heaven. I'm just saying not me. Maybe she'll get reincarnated. Do you think he really doesn't care about the negative backlash I think. She's been through so much after giving me. Don't think she cares. My alien cares and then she keeps putting out music. That's why she does make big scenes in stores and doesn't care because she's just like I don't share farewell tour. I did a seven. Share our toes. Can you say goodbye? Share we're not gonNA believe her when she said it. I'm not saying that believed it. It's just like why did you say it though? Do you say that about people who have never having any more kids and then they pop out another kid like why'd you say you would never have that one all right coming up? You guys. Aren't Valentine's Day gift guide so no matter what state you're in your relationship we have the perfect gift idea for you? Better be nasty. Roll off that train to Valentine's Day is just the corner but there is still time to find that very perfect gift here to help us out as lifestyle expert didn't Lucia. Thank you Valentine's Day. Okay I want to start with the new relationships. 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Good tips okay. You guys you can check out. Geneva's book it's called get it get it. Shed into the point. All right Next Oscar fashion. We're predicting what your favorite stars are going to be wearing this Sunday. These are very cute and they're soft pop. Award season is coming to a close this Sunday with the Academy Awards. A bunch of the nominees have hit the carpet many times before. So we're GONNA TAKE A walk down. Memory Lane presented by. At and T. So I if we have Shirley's there so this is her third time being nominated for best actress. Her fashion always keeps us on our toes. She's been very edgy. This year which which she has edgy looks in her past but this year she's really stepped it up. So what do you guys think she's going to wear this year I think she'll be more whimsical at this one. A lot more feminine than we've seen her and I think it's Charlie's is one of those women who likes to give you something give you something and then flip the switch on you at the last minute. Look at all of these dresses. They all kind of look like they're from the same family right. They're all very similar. They have similar silhouette legacy. It's not like they're not all day or I don't think so but maybe they are but I just feel like she kind of stays within this sort of world. I think it's going to be something like this but I do think it's going to be a color. Yeah I think no matter. What because like even with all of those two. There's still something edgy. She adds to every look even if. It's super glamorous and beautiful there's something about it gives her that. Charlene touch her. She's such a statuesque beautiful woman. Give me a break. So she can basically wear anything. But I think it's going to be wondering neckline color can scarlett. Johansson is up next She against her lease in the same Supporting actress category. So she's been showing some skin on the carpets lately. Do you think he's going to continue to do that? She has had her best year. This past I was just GonNa say the green is my favorite I This red carpet season for scarlet. She has really turned out. Every look has been so beautiful. She's looked so gorgeous but hot and young and vibrant. I think I I'm really excited to see what she's going to wear. I think she's GonNa blow us away. I think she might be best dressed. You know what not GonNa miss a beat there. What I think you might be right because the lead up has been so good and that's always but that's also sometimes that's when the disappointment happens because when there's not so much pressure you just have great options and then we really have to bring it. You're like wait. I don't know what dress to wear. I think she might do something a little bit different. Okay I wouldn't be mad about then Margot Robbie our fifth time at the Academy Awards. She's always seems to be on everyone's best dressed list. So what kind of thing do you think she's going to wear? I? It's GonNa add obviously be a moment. I think Margot Robbie has been throwing us off because she's been so cool and casual on the carpet this whole time that there must be something big that she is saving for us. And I know it's going to be really. I know it's going to be released. Go big big like big skirts or anything like that. You think she'll do something like that does not putting that out right now. Chanels more structured chanels more leg flower child to peace moments one of these days. I do WanNa see her like a big skirt. This sendo. All right we've got Hollywood's biggest night cover this weekend tomorrow. Watch ease to our live. Oscar special at eleven. Am then on Sunday catch the Oscars on ABC and we're going to have coverage all day on a starting at one pm eastern more daily after the break. Welcome back if you're trying to decide what to wear today. We encourage you to go with read. That's because it is national. Wear Red Day. And we're showing support for the American Heart Association's Go red for women movement all right. Let's talk more about the Oscars. We have Joaquin Brad Rene and Laura Dern. They've been basically winning an all. The major categories at every award. Show this season however. Which category do you think is most likely to defy expectations the big snub on Sunday? So want to say I don't want to say but it's going to be Brad Pitt. I don't like that but I also think the academy might think of the scope of work. How long he's been in this industry. How much good work? He's put out for us. I don't know they might give it to him. I really hope they do because the chances of him. Winning another Oscar is just you know I think when people are so super successful and so famous I feel like the academy doesn't want them as much because I feel like they think they don't deserve it because they become sort of tabloid fodder but he's talented. We have loved him for a million years. Give Him an. But we know it's not walkie. Oh my gosh joker was basically. He's GonNa get our monologue. So amazing Rene Rene Getting Rene as getting it I know or a dern I mean she might not yet know larger Laura dern kisses all the baby on fan six all the hands and she also out acted everybody in that movie. It's going to be Brad Pitt because unfortunately Brad Pitt didn't have the body of work that he'd Pacino Though Pacino. Eighty years old he listen. I think Brad is GonNa win. I'm going to hope that Brad Woods playing this game of a hypothetical situation out of those four. I don't like it. We're putting out that energy. Will you got to talk to some big movie fans in New York City? That's right in partnership with kinder- Bueno. I spent some time the kindle brain. Oh sweet easy. Talking to Vancouver is actually one of one of my favorite moments of the year. They told me what they like about meals in what they were looking forward to seeing. Check this out you guys. I am at the kindergarten sweet easy in New York City. I'M GONNA talk to fans about their love of chocolate and film. Come with me. Let's DEFY EXPECTATION BY WEDDING GUYS. You'll get a candidate you'll get kidder. You'll get a kinder- what's your favorite kind of movie comedy. Do you like laughing horror films. The Brits are always a little darker. I like comedy movies. I'm a big girl. You can make your life into comper one day. Tell me what it would be. That's all they wind. You don't care where you ever meet him on this the grocery store. I don't go to the grocery store but if I did which is choice because I haven't so bitty popcorn for sure. Kindred Winnow Actually all Kim nurse On Roy World. What's your favorite way to watch a movie my couch. We love to go to the theaters with those big comfortable seats. Comfort of my own home cocktail. What some chocolate and a blanket right. I said you guys didn't get experienced. This firsthand. Hope I did you justice if this thing comes back in a city near you you have got to bring all your friends. It is one of the things I've done. I was so bad when they kicked me out on. How many did you steal? They sent me a case I was. I like laughing. We all do. One of them was like yeah like to be home having drinks and stuff and Mike Jilin and Mike Okay. Ooh I like that. Guy Says thoughts on twitter. You guys were talking about the reincarnation conversation we had earlier. Marianne says she believes in it. She says energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transferred. Wow Deep tweet on a Friday Sean. Says maybe that's why babies cry at birth? They're aching from the pain caused by wiping away the memories from their previous light on something today. What does everyone so on? Masculine was never like actually. That's the way to sense okay. And Laurence says she was adopted in her. Dad Always told her you were mine and another life. This was just my way to find you in this lifetime. Everyone is really responsibility. Tak- do you believe in reincarnation. I don't reincarnation girl no no I think the baby was like he said the baby came out and like White Memories. I think he was just warm and then got really cold just me. I believe we're talking to her next. We're telling she's telling us why her new role on her show so close to home. We'll be right back to daly pop. Sonic the Hedgehog and mixed this star. Tika sumpter yeah right star Star. Tell me how was it bringing this video game to life surreal? I mean when I was a little girl. I tried to play with my brother. He wouldn't let me really use his controller. I would sit and watch and be like and I couldn't really control sonics but it's crazy to see it's surreal to be in a movie with him right now. I mean just watching him as a kid like a lot of us grew up with him on to and to be in a movie with Jim Carey like a hero. Yeah what was that like? It's such a hero. I look up to him. I mean most actors do and like the only thing they could dream of is like get meeting him being a movie with him as amazing. He's incredibly kind and he's everything here you your hero would wanna be like they say. Don't meet your heroes Bassett here. You WanNa meet at Sci. He's a he's a mad scientist but he's also super normal. That's crazy I wouldn't put Jim Carey for Norma Drew Carey's normal factors are all a little cook on said he like we collaborated. We like broke down on a scene together all of us and we were just talking and having a good time and he liked one of my jokes and I just said something that I've been living in La for eleven years. And I've been dying for someone to admit this. All actors are a little cuckoo. Yeah you know. It's so funny when people don't realize how well I talk about actors as if I'm not when I'm like. Yeah they're crazy me. I know when I go home. My fiancee's like you are a little crazy. I don't WanNa talk to anybody. I want to be a room by myself. Okay you were long you do Let's switch gears because we've got to talk about mixed ish Tracy Tracy Ellis's Ross's mom it's comedy Prequel to black ish mark. Pau Gasol plays your husband. Why was this role so important for you to take shows very important at the show's very important but also like for me as a black actress? I don't get to always play these different dynamic characters. So she's a lawyer but she's also a little quirky and she's like she's her sh- she doesn't she's not up on all the cultural things like she doesn't know how to dance to the snake like the opposite and like she just. She thinks she's cool. She's not and so what I wanted to do with show you. Why bowe became Bo? Because both a little quirky on this you know and so I love that can be all these different things on this show while sending an amazing message and teaching my child something like I don't always have my daughter's only three and I don't always I feel like have the words to explain things or at least in the future because she's mixed ish she's mixed ish and all she loved the giants so you yes so I feel like I have a script and I have words that I can use to help her in the future. I loved it sometimes on instagram twitter. You kinda clap back at people who try to conquer your life. Nicest way the nicest way ever toys she. She must have a glass of wine in her hand. Sit back like oh no honey. Love is love latest clapback but which one will Which one. I think you said worse like I would hope that you can find the love that I found or something. Yeah for me. I'm like for me when you come after my loved ones especially my fiance. It's like you don't need to sleep with him. You don't have to eat with him. I do so much business but not only that it's like love if we're GONNA say love is love for everybody and if you can actually find love hold onto it and who cares what they look like crazy though or twenty twenty and people are still hung up over. They show couples. It's the weirdest thing to me Yeah I mean I don't know what to say but I don't. I don't read all of the comments. I don't I just can't surround myself in negativity because I one love myself too much too. I love my daughter too much three. I love my life too much and it's a waste of time so I hope you're blessed now you've been engaged for a little bit We're GonNa have a twenty and twenty wedding. Okay rummy that weddings this honey. Romeo so for me. It was all about making sure I was ready. And that was about me going through therapy and not just getting married for the fun of it or the party because you have to live with the person afterward. I just needed to make sure it just took time to lake. I'm ready because growing up. I didn't see a relationship that really lasted that long so it was like it scared me and so now we have gone through so much together. We have a kid so he's not going anywhere and neither am I but I am ready. And he is my one and he. I love him so much but they're the mental. Health is very important mental health. Is Everything. Thank you so much? We really appreciate it. You gotTa Sonic. The hedgehog is in theaters this Valentine's Day and mixed ish is Tuesday's on ABC. We'll be right back now that you have a game plan this wedding okay. We're wrapping up with some final thoughts from you on social NASA says. She believes in reincarnation but she thinks reincarnation is only granted for special circumstances. Like for souls. That didn't get to live their full lives here on earth and make their way back into the family plus a lot just now. This is deep. That one is beautiful. That made me a little emotional there for a second. That's heavy. That's it for today. You guys back Monday for Everything Oscars. We'LL HAVE THE FASHION. The backstage moments all the drama. I didn't see on TV good weekend by Pratt. Thanks for listening to the podcast edition of daily pop remember. We've got a new episode every day. Make sure to subscribe and have a great rest of your day.

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Trump pushes back on recession warnings says "economy is doing really well"; Sanders criticized after changing "Medicare for all" proposal; Police: Employee planned mass shooting at Marriott hotel; World's largest rainforest engulfed by massive wildfires

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Trump pushes back on recession warnings says "economy is doing really well"; Sanders criticized after changing "Medicare for all" proposal; Police: Employee planned mass shooting at Marriott hotel; World's largest rainforest engulfed by massive wildfires

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A sheriff's deputy loss from russia with love an american c._o. Stepped down after admitting his relationship with an infamous accused russian agents <music> welcome to the lead america hill in for jake tapper and we start with the money lead new warnings of a recession and a clear message from the president nothing to see here in fact. He tweeted today quote. The economy is doing really well. Meantime a major predictor of recessions in the past dipped again. The labor department says the job market isn't as strong as i thought and for the first time in nearly a decade we learned manufacturing is cranking out less. It's well overall. The economy may be doing well. Big question is can president trump helped. Keep it that way. As c._n._n.'s boris sanchez reports even the president it doesn't seem to know president donald trump trying to ease concerns about mounting red flags in the american economy by once again taking aim at the federal reserve tweeting today quote. The economy is doing really well. The federal reserve can easily make it record-setting later adding our federal reserve does not allow us to do what we must do. They put us at a disadvantage against our competition fight or go home. In recent days is trump and allies have insisted the fundamentals of the economy are strong. I fight. I don't see a recession at all. The american economy is strong. You see a very robust economy but a major indicator of an oncoming recession the yield curve inverted again for the third time since last wednesday and new numbers indicate the bureau of labor statistics overestimated the number of jobs created by more than half a million new data also reveals the manufacturing sector an area of emphasis emphasis for trump has shrunk for the first time since two thousand nine and a report from the bipartisan congressional budget office shows the federal deficit will come close to a one trillion dollars in two thousand nineteen ballooning in large part because of trump's 2017 tax cut. I am the chosen. One economists also blaming the current trade war with china which trump yesterday denied was his fault. Somebody said it's trump's this is in my trade war but trump did start the trade war last year when he began levelling tariffs on china that statement by the president according to c._n._n. Fact checkers one of eleven false claims trump made during his more than thirty minute with reporters on wednesday one more thing for the president to think about eric the growing number of house democrats calling for a a formal impeachment inquiry today to more democrats lent their name to that 'cause bringing the total to a hundred and twenty nine more than half of the caucus erica more sanchez live at the white house for a sports. Thank you so the president as we showed you tweeted earlier today. The economy is doing really well and then followed up by saying the federal reserve. I can easily make it record. Setting the question is being asked. Why are we paying much more interest than germany and certain other countries to break that once again seen that once again. The president is trying to habit both ways if this consistent inconsistency. I suppose that we can now count on right at the same time that the president is saying the economy's fine. There's nothing to see here. He's mulling additional tax cuts. Maybe a payroll tax cut to try and boost the economy delayed the implementation of some some of those tariffs on chinese goods to try and protect u._s. consumers around the holiday season when he had settled along that the terrorists weren't actually going to hurt american american consumers or american workers. He's also passed or approved. Billions of dollars in emergency funding for farmers because agricultural industry has been bearing the brunt of these escalating trade war is so he is trying to have it both ways and it's very clear from his appearance before reporters yesterday that he's unnerved by the the prospect of an economic downturn because the one issue that he has had fairly better approval ratings as president is the economy and so it's very a critical to his reelection. I think that's why you release saw him lash out the way he did yesterday. It's interesting to you saw this reporting from peter baker and maggie haberman this morning and the times noting some former trump ed ministration officials in recent days said they were increasingly worried about the president's behavior suggesting at sam's from rising pressure on him as the economy seems more worrisome and of course as you point out as next year's election approaches. It's not just the flip flops in the concern over the economy. Though joshua that we've seen this week we have seen him thank and in fact praise a right wing conspiracy searcy theorists. He's lashing out at denmark and cancelling a visit because he can't buy greenland. I mean the list goes on and on which there's the unnerving aspect to. There's a real question of whether whether this is the president coming off as worried or the president coming off as agitated an unable to control things the largest yes but i also think the larger question is really early. Whether it'll matter because remember what happened in two thousand sixteen i mean from the beginning of his campaign from when he defended that bolden escalator at trump tower and blame mexico for sending crime drugs rapists some i assume assume are good people to all of the rhetoric came through the two thousand sixteen campaign to the access hollywood video yet won the presidency and since that time some of the voters that we've heard from some that i've spoken to still feel confident about their support of president trump because they see that their personal fortunes their personal lot in life is doing well that doesn't mean they approve of his behavior savior. Necessarily i remember i interviewed a guy in michigan who owns a roofing business. That's doing extremely well and he said he's in you know. Would you support president trump again. He's like my lot in life is good. My businesses doing great. I asked him would you do business with president trump and he said i get half the money upfront i so i think the voters sensible yeah yeah but then again think about it as long as the voters who support the president see that their personal prosperity is yet strong the might be able to hold their noses again in twenty twenty and vote for him regardless godless of what he does now. I think he knows that and that might be why he doesn't care. I think taken half the money upfront is pretty sound advice. No matter who you're dealing with in that case i think some of this also is coming off the fact erica. You've talked about president coming off of one thing or another. I think a lot of this comes off the fact that he's coming off vacation. He had a lot of free time to look at a lot of different issues exactly but with regards i don't. I'm not sure who a lot of these reporters are talking with the folks. I talked to dealing with the economy enemy. They look at from the broad spectrum. Yes the bond yield version was troublesome that is generally a sign of potentially far down the road recession but if you look look at the economy the full dashboard of the economy there's many potential aspects of that talking about the credit housing market jobs and all of those numbers with regard guards jobs and the economy are strong three point seven percent unemployment the labor justice wage growth is at a good steady so across the board. The numbers are good if they remain steady but here's the problem in this goes to something joshua's saying the difference between now and two thousand sixteen. Is you know what three years of trump is like exhausting right if just average american watching your local news this week one day says payroll taxes then no we're not doing that. I'm mad at denmark on mark. I'm going. I'm not going. We're buying greenland and for the average american. It's complex. It's like what's happening. Why why is president seeming so erratic and we i know that erotic behavior is having an impact on world markets. It's ironic that he would cite the rates in germany given that germany also just last week mentioned was an economic trouble so so why are we comparing ourselves to them this week and i think so the problem is and we see this in poll after poll after poll people want a sense of calm. They're tired of getting up every day. Okay and not knowing. Are we going to war because somebody offended the president and the truth is just last thing the economy's not doing very well for a lot of people part of the if you look under the hood of some with those numbers it's because people have more than one job and their costs are still high. Their benefits are not keeping up and so. I think there's an innings zaidi that people have and people are still anxious anxious frankly from two thousand eight. We saw this in obama's during obama's tenure so all of this volatility. I don't think it's going to help. One thing that i found fascinating is that the trump twenty twenty campaign actually dismissed these contradictions that we've heard as a debate happening within the administration. It's just that president. Trump is voicing it in public. I mean come on when when you look at that especially based on your experience. That can't really be the message that is how he has always operated. Look many people in the operates with for that as a message. It's one thing to say. We know. This is how it operates but this is the message that we're putting out here well. We're just having contradictions in the campaign so he's just talking about it publicly. I i know you can't control him. As a candidate we know that the president does what he wants to do but that's still seems like a lot to put out there right but still an if we turn things back to the actual numbers with regard to many people look at the the unemployment rate and the wage growth which is at a good point if you look at the numbers so they are certainly strong the president it's a daily situation to where spokesperson comes out and says something and he comes out and tweet something different that is not not unusual but for him to have a dialogue that has open in and public as he is doing now. That's not unusual. He's done it before and he will continue talking. Also as i think part of what we're seeing is this is how he ran has been his many many many failed <unk> businesses right mr king of debt and the differences when you're president their actual laws you have to follow you can't just declare bankruptcy and underpay certain people i see with us <hes> we also want to tackle the democrats on the debate stage bernie sanders bragging of course it. He wrote the damn bill well now. He's making a key change to his signature. Healthcare plan plus the stockpile stockpile of guns ammo and tactical gear assembled for a plot to commit a massacre at a marriott how authorities were tipped off. Guys are terrible at taking care of their health. Whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rubbing some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. I'm guilty of it myself. The same is true. Erectile dysfunction study shows seventy percent of guys who experience he d- don't get treated for it. 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Lead is one one of the main pillars of bernie sanders white house run but today vermont senator seeming to admit peanuts to make a change if he's going to win over a crucial block of democratic voters c._n._n.'s ryan nobles takes a closer look at sanders new medicare for all proposal which is already drawing backlash from his rivals in paradise california -fornia a city destroyed by the worst wildfire in state history. Senator bernie sanders today warned that without dramatic action the scenario will continue to play out all all around the world we need bold and aggressive action to combat climate change which is the common enemy not just the united united states both countries all over the world and this is a crisis by the way that the united states alone cannot solve sanders early supporter of the green new deal unveiling a comprehensive plan to combat the climate crisis calling for one hundred percent renewable energy electricity and transportation by twenty thirty eliminating fossil fuel use by twenty fifty all with the goal of creating twenty million new jobs but it won't be cheap a price tag of more than sixteen trillion dollars a cost sanders vowed would pay for itself over time. He is also tweaking his signature healthcare proposal medicare for all changing it to protect labor unions concern. The proposal will prevent them from negotiating their insurance benefits. Wouldn't that take all right to bargain for our <hes>. Our medical benefits fits as a bad thing about boggling for decent ways good sanders new provisions would force companies with union negotiated health plans to go back to the bargaining table with the goal of reaping better benefits and bigger wages a sanders talk climate change today a good morning the one candidate who made the issue his central focused announced he was leaving the race is become clear that i'm not going to be carrying the ball. I'm not going to be the president washington governor. Jay inslee will now instead seek a third turn after struggling to gain traction in the massive field. He isn't the only one turning his attention home. I know changing washington is hard but i want to give it a shop off former colorado governor john hickenlooper who dropped out last week announced plans today to run for u._s. Senate against incumbent republican cory gardner who democrats see as volna rebel and there are other democratic presidential candidates who may feel the pull to abandon their white house runs to focus on their home states among them better o'rourke of texas and steve bullock in montana both are in states where senate seats up for grabs in two thousand twenty but both have emphatically said that despite their struggles in the polls they have no interest in running and running for anything other than the presidency erica. We will see what happens ryan. Thank you as we look at this with governor jay inslee now dropping out. We're down to twenty two democrats who are running at this point. Just ten of those candidates have qualified for the next debate so karen if you're advising any of these other twelve candidates if big don't make the cut off next week. Is it time for them to drop out. What would you advise them they do. It's time to have a very serious. Look at your fundraising numbers at your <hes> what your numbers look like and it's certainly the early states in terms of in iowa <hes> commitment to caucus card your how your list building is going in south carolina new hampshire. I'm sure to see. Is there a way to get there in for the october debate. Is there really a pathway to get yourself sort of in front of the voters that you need to get the votes owed. Probably the answer quite frankly is going to be no but i suspect that there are going to be of that twelve a number of them that that's going to be <hes> a harder thing to accept except in a mexico acceptance takes times letters very difficult to get out. We're -actly level so <hes>. It's interesting to those who look this. Tom sire of course needs one more qualifying poll <hes> to make these september debates one of his rivals though we're hearing from governor bullock coosa basically listen. You're the billionaire. Who's just is trying to buy your way into this. He responded to that this morning on c._n._n. Take a listen for ten years. I've been taking on corporations at the ballot what box and winning and that's exactly what we need now a message to americans that we can actually accomplish what we need to accomplish gesture. How do you devoter's say this. I don't know i'm interview. Tom steiner on one a. and i'm not still clear on exactly what his policy plans are. I mean he's very clear that he believes that. President trump is conman a liar and a bit and someone who needs to be thrown out of the white house. He says he's been taking on big corporations for a long time. Clearly that's made him quite wealthy but in terms of the nuts and bolts in the nitty gritty of his policy plans i'm not he didn't really sharply articulate them to me. I also am not sure in terms of who should be in and who should be out whether or not anyone with. Tom stiers among those who've made a real impression. I mean let's be clear. There is a certain kind of chorus line field to a lot of these debates. You're kind of looking for somebody who stands out and tires kind of a dance. Ten looks three at this point like. I don't know if he's not loving all of these references. You're you're are welcome but you know what i'm saying like i do. I feel like in the in the massive. All these debates were kind of looking for a moment or for candidate to be able to advance dialogue like jay inslee dropping out and he said his top thing was climate change. That's great for him. Going back to washington state running for a third term as governor on the west coast can do tremendous ended things in terms of climate change policy california with assembly bill thirty two that has a climate change target for next year and a stronger for twenty thirty but with tom steyer. I'm not sure sure when his breakout moments going to be or what his backup plan is going to be so that if he doesn't get the nomination he can say at least. I walked away with ex. I'm still still trying to solve for it but you cannot buy your way into the white house. You have to work really hard at it and slow and steady wins the race and i don't we see tom style. As much of a tortoise is one that wants to get out there and make a lot of hay and make make a lot of headlines. He can buy a lot of airtime and he cannot buy his way to the white house. I worked with the last three winners of the iowa caucus and they got out there and they won by working the ground in iowa new hampshire and south carolina shaking hands retail politics staying under the radar or until the iowa caucus came around and making a splash but these debates are an interesting dynamic if you don't have the opportunity to be on that debate stage and make your case to the nation like that it makes it very difficult but i would never encourage someone to get out if you have the money and you have the momentum on the ground to keep going. I think you should a good healthy. Debate is good for the momentum. Part is key. <hes> what's fascinating too is we're looking at what we're hearing from bernie sanders today <hes> saying oh you know we're not really changing which is making an addition on there was a fascinating response from the communications director for senator kamala harris who tweeted quote. Oh how interesting. I thought no one was allowed to make any changes to medicare for all plans at all ever. I think served snap missing at the end of that. I mean obviously trying to deflect a little bit from legitimate questions that have lingered about senator harris and her her plan but i do find it interesting that you know the communications director chose to go after bernie sanders today. There's been a fair amount of back and forth <hes> the sanders campaign gene and the harris campaign in particular over the issue of health care sometimes joe biden's campaign has also been part of this conversation. What this debate is really about is the role of private in insurance and senator harris had initially signal that she would eliminate private insurance before walking that back now you have bernie sanders having some union or labor representatives saying that they've negotiated their benefits under the existing system so with his medicare for all plan what would that mean for them and he said you can go back to the drawing board with supervision of the national labor relations board and try and renegotiate those benefits is that opening up the door for some role for private having insurance. His campaign says no some others say yes. This might sound very much in the weeds. There's a lot of nuance in this debate over healthcare but what it really speaks to is the importance of healthcare not not just for the general electric was spiff specifically in the democratic primary. I think that's going to be a top priority for a lot of democrats going to the polls and that's why you see these candidates but really jockeying to position themselves at the center of any clear answers and that's what's been tough up until now really answer that makes sense to to where i'm at as a front runner and being challenged bernie's now front runner means. You've got to listen to what people are asking for. This is true while hotel cook is behind bars after telling a coworker a story and just wait until you see what police found out inside his home ancestry d._n._a. Gives you so much more than just the places you're from ancestry connects you to the places in the world where your story started using mm precise geographic detail in clearcut historical insights you can even trace your ancestors journeys over time following how and why your family moved from place to place and to amplify. Are you results. 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Let's get straight to see and then stephanie elam. Who is there for us this afternoon. So what more do we know about the targeting of this officer staff what we don't know erica that he was targeted. We don't even know why the shooting happened. There's so many questions here but i wanna show you exactly what is of concern earn too many of the people who work in this area as you can see through this gate which happens to be opening on q. right now. You can see back there. That is an apartment complex and below that these personal vehicles vehicles of these <hes> deputies. This is where this one officer was walking yesterday just about three o'clock in the afternoon when shots rang out he was able to call for backup. The bullet actually hit his bulletproof vest and ricocheted off and hit him in his right shoulder. He is expected to make a full recovery. It could have been so much. It's worse obviously after that. The deputies locking down the building. They went through the building making sure that there was nothing they can find in there they didn't there was also a nearby school that they lock down down <hes> but still with all of this information all of that locking down they still have not been able to identify who the shooter was and why they did it and at this point. There's nobody in custody custody erica that is chilling alright seventy. Thank you for that meantime. Authorities in california also revealing chilling new details about a plan to carry out a mass shooting at a marriott the hotel that shooting to be carried out by one of the employees c._n._n.'s nick watt reports eat is just one in a series of plot thwarted by law enforcement since the massacres in el paso and date high-powered rifles hundreds of rounds of ammunition thirty eight illegal high capacity magazines news and tactical gear all found at rodolfo montoya's suspect montoya had clear plans intent and the means to carry carry out an act of violence that may have resulted in a mass casualty incident. The thirty-seven-year-old was a cook this marriott hotel near the airport in long mhm beach california. He was upset about some recent workplace activity <hes> having to do with h._r. And allegedly confided in a colleague league his plan he was gonna shoot up fellow employees and people coming into the hotel so he he had a plan of of shooting everybody that he saw in the hotel that colleague reported montoya's alleged threat to hotel management monday night police were called and he was arrested at his home in nearby huntington beach within in twenty four hours because this was reported. I firmly believe many lives were saved. More than two dozen. People are being arrested across the country for allegedly allegedly plotting or threatening mass casualty attacks since that spate of shootings in early august that killed thirty four the garlic festival in california. Ah -fornia in dayton ohio and in el paso texas security sources tell c. n. N. that f._b._i. Director chris wray has ordered field offices to conduct doc new threat assessments to stifle future attacks. This alleged long beach plotter currently held on a half million dollar. Bond had no previous criminal history that would have raised a flag on a background check. We're certainly living in dangerous times. I think in our country in our community and incidents <hes> where <hes> where folks that should not have access to <hes> to weapons and to <hes> certainly <hes> illegal weapons are facing our departments and our police departments across the country now the long beach police department will be filing their case with the d._a. Any minute now meanwhile we know that montoya's being held on half million dollar bond on charges of manufacturing and distributing soul weapons possessing an assault weapon and and making a criminal threat erica you see something say something takes on new meaning. Doesn't it nick thank you joining me now james galliano's former f._b._i. Supervisory special agency and in law enforcement amil analysts so when we look at this what do you make of this plan specifically the sophistication the plan to to shoot up not only employees of the hotel people as they were walking again an arsenal that we saw well. I gotta tell you erica. This is what law enforcement across the country at the state local and federal level do every single day and twice ace on sunday. This was the disruption of a plot before it resulted in gilroy california or l. paso texas or dayton ohio now. In this instance we have an individual who appears to have been a disgruntled employee he also had access to a variable cachet of weaponry when you asked me about specificity or or how how how supremely <hes> his plan how wells planned were let me just read this to you. This is chilling from the police chief. Mr montoya had clear plans intent and the means to carry out an act of violence that may have resulted in a mass casualty incident he had three things content plans and the means the fact that law enforcement interdicted this when they did is an absolute. I mean just hats off and kudos to law enforcement officers what they did when you look at this is nick more than two dozen since <hes> since the shootings over the summer and specifically in el paso dayton more than two dozen arrests by local and federal law enforcement. Do you see this as a surgeon plots. Are you more concerned about copycats. Is it people like this co worker hearing something and saying. I have to tell someone someone about this. You know i think the f._b._i. Director christopher ray spoke to congress spoke in front of a house committee back in april he was very careful and he was talking about hate crimes crimes in bias crimes and and the uptick or what appears to be a proliferation of these things and he said we're not certain if there actually is an uptick or if it's just better reporting america to your point. Could this be better. Reporting will look we just had three six successful from the bad guys perspective shooting. So of course we're going to be much more acutely aware aware of a plot like this. It was disrupted prior to something bad happening. I know we don't always hear about all of these arrests that are made for obvious reasons but when we're looking at this and the a spate of them and you talk about this is what law enforcement does every day and twice on sunday. Does this added all. Are you concerned that they may need more resources to deal with what you want. Which is people reporting things yeah. We have a country three hundred thirty five million people. There are approximately one point two million police officers. It is an infinite decimal personnel. I know resource look. They're working really hard. It's tough being a cop today or being in law enforcement. You gotta be a social worker a therapist. You've gotta have mental health. The understandings standings of how people are built and how they're going to react and you have to be a diviner of intent and that's the hardest part erica. It's looking at something reading something on the internet hearing somebody they say something and determining whether or not they're just spouting off or whether they're actually going to commit a heinous act. That's the tough part. James galliano always appreciate the insight my friend thank you thank circa. One more republican apparently wants in on the twenty twenty race as another is deflecting speculation that was seemingly we started by that person plus of a major company resigning today because of his tryst with this accused russian agent finding the right pros for home projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions like how do i find a pro who can help will they do a good job. Will i get get a fair price. That's where home advisor can help from leaky faucets to major remodels homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price ace read reviews check project cost guides and book appointments go to homeadvisor dot com or download the free homeadvisor app to start your next project in our politics lead former illinois congressman turned conservative radio host joe walsh might be the second republican to take on president trump and the primaries mary's hinting at a run earlier today. Are you running against him. I'm strongly strongly considering it. That's again. I'm not trying tend to be cute or coy. I've told you before if somebody's going to get in there and go after him john. It's gotta be done soon. Still walls clearly sees an opportunity here. It wouldn't be the first time he of course gained national attention. As part of the extreme right wing of the tea party also for his comments on birtherism repeatedly questioning russian president obama's faith the list goes on and on and then of course there was a may copa last week in the new york times so i'm curious because you actually covered him as a candidate. What do you makeup all of this. What's behind this latest move and even you know what we saw last week from him. Well i think the key word he uses opportunity and a lot of republicans. I've spoken with look. Could someone like joe walsh and they don't see a politician who can try and claim the moral high ground when it comes to president trump who he supported needed very forcefully in twenty sixteen even when trump was making all of these incendiary comments about immigrants and people of color you point to some of the comments that that joe walsh himself has made he also suggested that the reason president obama was elected was because he was inarticulate black man and there were a lot of feelings of white guilt. He accused him repeatedly repeatedly of being a secret muslim. He's once called on americans to come together and defeat islam. He was involved in a lengthy dispute over not paying child support to his ex wife as you said the list goes on and on and now he has penn this op ed apologizing for some of that past behavior and i don't think it's a coincidence to most people were reading that op bedding. You picked now to apologize when you're flirting with a possible challenge to the president which people would then see as a publicity stunt. I it's interesting too because if we look where we're at right in two thousand nineteen leading into twenty twenty the president has an eighty eight percent approval rating. I believe it's real is the latest number <hes> among republicans so yes we we have former massachusetts governor bill weld as we know officially challenging <hes> there mark sanford. Is you know flirting with a run but at this point is anybody realistic challenger sure to president trump will at least feel answering questions you know he was at the annual convention of the national association of black journalists earlier this month in miami attended a candidate forum which mayor buddha judge senator sanders senator booker also attended so at least he's answering questions as he's really running but here's the image that i keep in my mind right. I imagined somebody nobody's saying okay. See that buzz over there. The one that's running. That's been running since november two thousand sixteen. I want you to walk straight for that buzzsaw and just keep deep walking. No matter what happens that is the cultural equivalent of running against l. front right now. Why would you put yourself in that position unless you already from the moment you announce amounts to be at the top of his twitter feed from now until the primary star and i just don't know who is going to want to walk into that especially if they're not committed to winning. That's that's why when mark sanford was speaking on sunday when he said i'm thinking about running talking to my family and then was asked if trump is the nominee. Will you support him and he said yes that didn't square for me. If you're not running to win why walk toward a buzzsaw doesn't make sense and they will all acknowledge. Mark sanford acknowledged assist to be a daunting task while she said this would be a bar fight but look you have donald trump as you say virtually ninety percent approval in the republican party. This is a guy who in race three quarters of a million dollar selling plastic straws with his name on it. <hes> you're going to go against that. You might as well walk into a buzzsaw because it's just not going to happen. Ah for the republican primary. I'm all about vigorous primaries but president has this party locked up. You can disagree with his tone and tactics but if you're a republican policies have been spotted and if i'm in i'm sorry if i may add also the people who are talking about him. Being unfit joe walsh mark sanford bill weld they're talking about the character of president and trump and his actions and his words with those actions and words. He still has an eighty eight percent approval rating so if you're going to beat donald trump. You need to go after something else. Can you make us more prosperous than donald trump can. Can you make america more respected in the world than donald trump. Can you gotta hit voters. In terms of the benefits they perceive from donald trump has clearly the unfit thing that's not do not do. I do want to get to this before we go because it has a lot of people scratching their heads so nikki haley shut down which she called rumors. Apparently she's the only one though who's heard this river at least rumors of her replacing mike pence on the two thousand twenty ticking see here. She posted a picture of her along with the v._p. Saying enough of a false rumors vice president president pence has been a dear friend of mine for years. He's been a loyal and trustworthy v._p. To the president he has my complete support. The president of course said i mean months ago back in june. He said listen one hundred percent and he is my running mate. I don't know where nikki haley is. Hearing rumors floating them. I think she's floating them herself which is a fun little tactic on on twitter and just to kind out of keep her name out there. I don't think she would seriously make a play for the vice. Presidency pence is the perfect person for trump and i don't think anybody would really support <hes> sir replacing him because again the conservatives and those folks in that eighty eight percent. They love mike pence well. If nothing else that got us talking about nikki haley and that's <hes> just ahead we're also talking about what is known as the planet's lungs producing nearly twenty percent of the earth's oxygen now though the amazon rainforest is burning being at a record rate what's far too many of those fires next the cases. We gotta find who wrote wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. 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There's a long time it. This is a very bizarre story essentially because patrick byrne the c._e._o. Was the one who came forward and shared this information. In a variety of interviews and now is stepping happing down. He admitted to having three relationship he said in an interview with the new york times that it started when they met in a political event called freedom fest and they sort of hit it off from there. You know this whole time. She also had another long term boyfriend. His name was paul erickson. He was a republican political operative. Apparently these were going on at the same time. I and you know this bubble dover. I guess to the point where he ended up stepping down from his post. You senator is a series of press releases that i think scared. Some of his investors caused their stock took. Ah tumble and of course we know what's happening with maria bettina. She was sentenced to eighteen months <hes> for her sentence. She's behind bars in tallahassee still well. It is <hes> it is fascinating not to development that i was expecting but there you go never a dull moment sarah. Thank you in our world lead. The amazon is burning at a record rate and brazil's president believes the fires were purposely. Lee set to make him look bad. Researchers meantime say the raging fires were likely started by ranchers and loggers who were hoping to clear the land the amazon rainforest produces nearly only twenty percent of the earth's oxygen. It's often called the planet's lungs and the world wildlife fund warns. These fires could cause the amazon to make carbon instead accelerating in climate change. He admitted involvement in murders and kidnapping widened u._s. Officials just race to protect el chapo godson remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash c._n._n. 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#952: Sperm Banks

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#952: Sperm Banks

"This message comes from. NPR sponsor. Indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash. NPR podcast this is planet money from NPR. Jesse quick note. This episode contains mature subject matter. There's this city in Denmark. Called our whose middle of the fall here in Denmark seems to be a pleasant little Danish college town and and I'm here to visit Krause. International Criollos International is a sperm bank. Close here they shipped frozen sperm all over the world to over for one hundred countries and a lot of the action happens on the fifth floor of this kind of nondescript red brick building. This is the main office up here for the headquarters. That's right when you walk in. There's a bowl of sky. Blue Condoms right there they say krause. It's marketing but also they want their donors to practice safe sex next to the waiting room. There are these rooms called donor cabins with touchscreen computers and erotic Roddick magazines. A Little Red light comes on when the donor cabin is occupied. And that's where I meet. Nicholas funeral if you spend a lot of time in this room no no. They don't lagged when you stay so long as it times hasn't have never they never knock donating today already. Did his donation goes from a little in a cabin to a lab in the back where it gets tested and divvied up into these little straws lab lab technician then need to freeze these straws and to do that. They slowly dip straws into liquid nitrogen. It's at negative three hundred twenty one degrees Fahrenheit. It's like that's the sound of them freezing. It's making all these. Hissing sounds can boost it in post. Then it's off to storage. They have enough donations in here for tens of thousands of babies and it's not like rows and rows and rows of sperm samples the entire stock. All of these donations live in just four kind of small stainless steel cannisters. All this cold steam comes out when you open the LID and of course all of this starts with a deposit from someone like Nicholas. He just graduated from college a few months ago just fulltime spin spend donating. It used to work part time at an architecture firm this lot less time consuming. I mean it doesn't look as Nice on your resume somme though. He says he doesn't really know why he came. In that. First Time perhaps the idea of of fathering children matured in my head And so when I reached that step it clicked made says why wouldn't help. Other people conceive not everyone has the sperm quality to become a sperm from donor. Krause accepts like five to ten percent of the people who come in but Nicholas Cage turned out to be a great candidate. I remember coming in after having delivered the first remmel and the look in their eyes as they told me that would definitely like to see me back. A there was money in those is saw dollar signs. Those nice those Muslim confirmation. I can definitely father babies. And he takes this seriously. He changed his diet. Limits the amount of coffee and alcohol. He drinks he and his girlfriend have to be intimate with each other around his donation schedule he comes in and around three times a week it becomes even more than that. His sperm count starts to dip. Okay here's how payments work the customers pay between fifty dollars and seventeen hundred dollars for a single angle Straw of sperm. It's a pay scale on the high end of the scale customers are paying for the best quality sperm. They're paying for sperm. That's had the most genetic testing possible. And they're paying to get as much information as possible about the donor and this is a really important part of the process because people want information about their donor. They want to know what they majored in in college. What their hobbies are even though? That's not genetic they WANNA see a baby picture or in adult picture. Get a voice recording of the donor. Hear how he sounds maybe he sounds boring. And you don't WanNa choose him and all this information gets curated into one big extended donor profile online nine presented as these prized stallions. I mean that's what I presume. The customers want there would like to have this nice story This is nice narrative about a viking from the north and he plays as music in goes mountain biking. Whatever it could be so I mean it's natural but it's still strange Nicholas gets up to seventy five dollars? Deposit is it. I am actually saving for a car. which is it then? I'm going to build into a like a van. Van Van living living in. What do you call that then? Life van live band. Yeah exactly and then I'm GonNa hit the road. Hello and welcome to planet money. I'm lexie Horowitz Ghazi. I'm Sarah Gonzales today on the show a kind of bank bank we don't normally talk about here. Sperm Banks Sperm Banks are whisking DNA from one continent to another at the click of a button. The history of that industry and how one Danish business student turned a strange dream into one of the biggest sperm operations on the planet with a little help from his mom's freezer and mad cow disease. This message comes from. NPR sponsor. fundraise fundraise has innovated the way people can an invest in real estate. They are the first online investment platform designed to give people the opportunity to own a portfolio of high quality real estate affordably. Thanks to their cutting Ed. LOW COST MODEL ACCESS PRIVATE MARKET REAL ESTATE PROJECTS FROM HIGH RISES IN D. C. to multifamily apartments in La to get started visit F. U. N. D. Eighty R I s e Dot Com slash money. To have your first six months of advisory Fees Waived Greg Rusedski. Here I write the planet money newsletter. We keep you up to date with stories behind fed decisions the housing market and big scooter subscribe NPR Dot Org Slash Planet money newsletter. Just just the right amount of economics sent weekly. Kara Swanson is a law professor and historian at Northeastern University. And she's kind of sperm banking expert. I'm the author of a book called banking on the Body a history of markets in blood milk and sperm in modern America. Okay the first reported successful exemption using a sperm donor happened in the US in eighteen eighty four and back then for a long time. The only way to do artificial elimination was with a fresh donation. Meaning basically straight from the donor in one room to the recipient in another room so couples would go to their doctors say. Hey we're having trouble. Conceiving and their doctor would like look ground and choose someone in the building to donate like some medical student who looked most like the couple or in some cases the doctor himself not ideal and it was all kind of Hush Hush and then people started experimenting getting with freezing sperm. It started with animal breeding cows mostly in the early nineteen fifty s group of scientists in Iowa started testing out the technique on humans aunts and in nineteen fifty three they announced the first human birth from frozen sperm and people immediately started to think about what that might mean for the world the headline line and the Iowa paper after the first human pregnancies was fatherhood after death now possible and it took a little while but eventually eventually some entrepreneurs started thinking about how this technology might be used in business now that you can freeze sperm. You can stock could put it on a shelf. It's inventory now and just like that in the early nineteen seventies the first generation of sperm bankers was born but they weren't targeting in couples who wanted kids this service was intended Furman men who are having the sect amies going through things like cancer treatment so these as early sperm banks were what I call. Sort of safe deposit banks. It was a matter of you will give us your identified semen semen. We will freeze it and store it just for you and give it only back to you. said the service being offered to man. As a form of fertility insurance the market for frozen sperm was pretty small until the HIV AIDS crisis hit by nineteen eighty three or nineteen eighty-four it is recognized denies that the HIV virus that causes AIDS can be transmitted through semen and suddenly a technique to treat. Infertility is potentially deadly treatment several women contracted HIV in the mid nineteen eighties from fresh donation. It turned out it can take up to six months for HIV to shove and tests so doctors decide we cannot use fresh sperm anymore. We have to freeze it. If we freeze a new sample we can wait six months and retest the donor to make sure they don't have the virus frozen sperm went from being an option targeted just toward men having sacked amies to the standard for everyone straight couples and eventually same sex couples and single women. They wanted frozen sperm. That could be tested. So now we all needed actual frozen sperm banks and around that time a young business student in Denmark had a vision about the future of frozen burn. Say Your name. My name is oldest call and it is difficult to pronounce but Oldest goal all scowl ORLA is from Denmark. And he's going to tell us a little story. Well it all started longtime ago. There was a young man. Twenty seven years. Old It's Ali or less the young man. I wake up at night and had a dream about frozen sperm and you had a dream about frozen frozen sperm in particular. Yes may simple no it it. It was a yeah act crazy dream. We dream I'm and It was just a still picture of a sperm in is just a still picture of sperm in case piece actually frozen in ocean waves. I realized that when when I woke up that it was a little peculiar way trim could get it out if my head he becomes consumed with the whole idea of sperm. He's studying business by day studying sperm. By night I delete a microscope which was a gift from my parents. It could allow one hundred two hundred and three hundred times and I could start my own sperm and I started to make experiments with different freezing agents. Any tells no one about his experiments. No I didn't tell anybody because it was embarrassing. I didn't even tell the to to my friends because they would probably think I was crazy. I did tell it to my mother because at a time my freezer was full of frozen sperm. So I couldn't have more so US stores almost the frozen sperm in her freezes and I think they probably thought I was crazy but maybe guy was frozen sperm and your mom's freezer yeah. I know it's not good but that that was so and there were sperm banks in the world already but there were really long wait times and low pregnancy rates so all I wanted to make this process better a wanted to be the best think my father. Teach me that so I didn't thought about being the biggest addict wanted to as good as a best best sperm yeah simply crammed claim got no for six years. Old is experimenting. He's learning how freezing and thawing work learning what makes good sperm. What doesn't doesn't like good mobility the ones that swim the most vigorously high sperm count any learns that the main thing that's really bad for sperm is heat so therefore four I say to the donors keep the bolts cold use Boxer shorts don't take hot showers and yeah keep them cold old all the time gave him. God okay that's news you can use. He opens up his first clinic. In one thousand nine hundred eighty seven calls it krause and goes looking for donors. It was hundred under percents students that time. I didn't have money for advertising so I took my bicycle and put some posters up way I could and I wake quickly find out. It was mainly from the university area. I could hire the donors and right when he opens up. His little office gets a big order from a private hospital. I got an auto out of five hundred thousand Danish crowns about eighty thousand dollars and when we started to deliver to the hospital after one week they reported the first pregnacy Agnesi after two weeks. They've already got five. Pregnancies in word was getting out Salinas sat to spray it then professors doctors from hospitals and clinics across the country. Start a cold can wheels have have can we also have from you and yes of course soon. Other countries called Norway I Belgium in Finland basically northern European countries and. There's probably a reason why those were some of the first countries to call Olis' says people old generally want kids that looked like them and he's found that to be true all over the world across all ethnicities and at the time all. I basically had two types of of donors Scandinavian blonde blue eyed because the Danes been much blonde and blue-eyed also red-headed Denmark has is a lot of redheads and for awhile. ORLA stopped accepting donations from redheads. Because he says there wasn't enough demand. Yes yes that's true. But that's just a question about demand supply we seem to have too many Red Haired gave an interview where he said something like red-headed couple's ten to one a red ahead of donor. But if you single red hat may not be your first choice and that was not good. Oh yeah people upset. And I'm sorry that I've upset and people were saying. Take these ratepayer in again but but it it was it was basically just demand and supply we. You have to much of that stuff on our stock so we would not take more in the negative reactions. People had to always comment. It's not just about red heads. They Echo concerns about race and racism that have been just below the surface of the sperm baking industry. Since the beginning when artificial insemination I became a thing in the early twentieth century eugenicist celebrated it as a way to re engineer the human race to be clear. That's not the way people talk about sperm banks today but but when people use sperm banks they are buying DNA and their genetic traits that come with that hair color eye color skin color and the families we spoke to for this story said he can feel a little weird to sift through donors who have been categorized by what they look like in their education level and their medical history but that also when the option is they're all those things can feel like important information for a big decision for Ole and his sperm sperm-bank. It's more about simple supply and demand and in two thousand one he decides to come to the US to export Danish sperm to America and he markets them him as Viking babies which like okay but he opens a shop in Seattle then something seemingly unrelated happens in two thousand five that changes all his whole business plan something that felt a little bit like a trade war. Europe had said we don't want to feed our cows with. US scorn that is genetically modified so they banned the import of genetically modified US corn and a month later the US says we have things we WANNA banned from Europe to you like human sperm the US said it could have been exposed to mad cow disease and the ban is still in effect today all these other countries can Russian sperm to the US. Just Not Europe. That was the twenty fifth. May Two thousand five as a remember that that was a catastrophe so if all it wanted to continue to supply. US families with sperm. He would need to collect. US Sperm no imports so he opens up a place where people in the US can now now make deposits and he chooses the neighborhood that seems like so obvious Burbank Manhattan Lower Manhattan district in Bank district so yeah but it was not a good idea to be there because there was not a sufficient numbers of donors the less altruistic crowd in in Wall Street potentially. That's that's through the Wall Street crowd. Not Big donors apparently so all moves the Sperm Bank to Orlando Florida right next to the biggest university in the US because he knows from Denmark that college students are big donors and collecting us. Donations donations changed olas whole business. Because now he had all kinds of types dark hair brown eyes skin full reins of Olefin types. All close does all sizes and I call him because okay the US has all these different types of people. And once he had all these different phenotype he gets by all these other regions of the world who wanted babies who looked like them people. In countries in South America and Africa who didn't have sperm banks so like Nigeria area they didn't have a big sperm donation industry. So all I was like I can send to you because oil. It could still exports Brown from the US. The band was only on European sperm imports. In some places they ship donor sperm in dry ice straight to people's homes and he supplying families in the US too and it's all these new markets that the help cry US become one of the biggest sperm banks in the world with around thirteen. Hundred donors wait. Thirteen hundred sperm. Donors doesn't actually seem like a lot lot of sperm donors Managed Them Bang struggle to find donors. So many only have maybe ten or even less The biggest Bambang the United States have about five hundred so it is many these days or less says around eighty percent of crisis customers our same sex couples was queer couples single people and demand from US customers in particular is actually what led to what we heard about in the beginning of the show extended profiles paying more for more information about the donor outside of the US. Many countries didn't give you much information about donors at all that list of names but that was kind of it. It was the only race hair call. I call her height and weight. Nothing more Americans were like. Oh no no no. We're going to need much more information. Yeah so so. They need as Morris Batter so we call that extended profile donors with ten pages of personal information about donuts baby photos or photos or psychological tests and these extended profiles are really helpful to people in other countries because some of their sperm banks. Thanks aren't allowed to share information about donors. It's illegal so like Spain. You don't even get to choose your donor. Dr Dez and in France legally a single MOMS and same sex couples cannot get sperm so cruise ships sperm to Belgium and people in France go to Belgium to pick it up in Australia. Elliot donors cannot get paid and in two thousand five. The country said they could no longer remain anonymous and when that happened. The pool of donors shrunk. Yeah they were more. Darn is is an Australian before they brought in that law. Yeah definitely this is Michelle. I'm Michelle and I'm calling from Brisbane. Australia Michelle is one of our listeners. And she conceived her six-year-old Elsa using a sperm donor. She says her clinic in Australia. Only offered basic information about donors. I colored hair colour height. No pictures so she imported sperm from a bank in the US not krause the Seattle Sperm Bank. which does offer extended profiles who took her seven attempts just to get pregnant? She tried five different donors each vial of Sperm Koster nine hundred fifty dollars because she was paying for more information about the donors. I think I paid a hundred dollars for an all. Oh Access PA and that allowed me to look at all of the darndest by photos and read his personality profile and listen to an audio interview. Oh you got an audio interview. Yes it was actually really valuable in the end because I was considering two profiles and the one that I went we have who is ultimately the during of my child just sounded much more intelligent and well spoken more personable. The other ones seemed really awkward when he spoke. Were there any things you're looking for in particular. Yes they was. I'm not dispose he and I'm not musical so I went looking for Darna. Who had those traits in the hope that my child would have a chance of being sporty or musical? Is that genetic. I don't know if athleticism and musicality is genetic but I thought I'M GONNA give. My child is shocked at having those so I chose the during in a competitive headed of gymnast. Just a child who was a swimming college and he was part of a band and a whole range of instruments and my child is the least sporty. Child on the planet with Zero Coordination's we somme so it didn't work at school and Michelle and her son. They celebrate donor day every year. On the day he was conceived they blow up these balloons that say thank you donor owner only skull the Danish sperm banker retired from Krause international last year. Do you have any idea how many people you've helped create. 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Billy Joel Sucks: Part 2

Your Favorite Band Sucks

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Billy Joel Sucks: Part 2

"People like to joke about. How much MOMS love listening to billy? Joel like your mom late listening to Billy Joel. Yeah I want it on record that my mother has never been impressed. I can't remember what the event was. It was Bonnaroo some other multiday festival like that. I had an artist bracelet but I was only going on one night to see some certain. I don't remember what it was. Billy Joel was headlining one or the other nights and I told my mom I could try to get that bracelet off and give it to her if she wanted to go see. Billy Joel thought that she would like that. A her response was and I quote no desire. That's do I had somebody do that with me. With Genesis I thought Genesis just universally liked by people of a certain age. A said the same thing. Oh something about how we were going to do genesis in an episode and she was like. Oh yeah they suck and I was like Whoa okay. I thought that you were just. It's like a prerequisite I honest to God. If you're over fifty I assume that you think billy Joel's awesome. It is a hard stereotype to not let yourself enough. You know what I'm saying. Yeah it's one of the things that you're going to have to always battle of just making that assumption persons above this age. They for sure like Billy Joel. This is going to be those episodes that people send their parents or your grandparents or your uncle this or your aunt. This is for sure going to someone in your family a hello new listeners of the podcast that are older this podcast. Thanks for listening. Hope you guys subscribe. That's the button on the PODCAST APP. You be sure to hit it. If you're listening to a this is probably the first one you should subscribe to sit back and enjoy the show. It's the age that Billy Joel Is. Also it's billy Joel's peers are who billy. Joel's music is four. It's four people of his generation and the values that come with that the social norms that come with that are all very much in billy. Joel's music he's also got that thing. That generation has where they can't tell what's good now like Billy Joel things. The killers are a great band. He's talked about that before. Well Billy Joel's not GonNa like anybody better than him. He is one hundred percent. The Guy Never ever going to recommend you listen to something that we better something. He couldn't do himself so yes. Of course he likes the killers killers. They right right down. The middle of the road generic pop music. Maybe that sounds familiar to billy. Joel fans who is actually a fan of billy? Joel his point. It's a lot of people. I wasn't sure if we should come back with this episode or the clash episode because I think those are the two that we have recorded so far that are going to cause the biggest response people get in their feelings about billy. Joel talk some shit on twitter to kind of get a feel for people got mad. Man Billy Joel means something to a lot of people I feel like Bruce springsteen's going to be like that to where people have very tight much bigger level than this though guarded. Fuck you you. Don't you know what I mean? It's like a leather jacket on their heart. And if you fuck yeah. Did you just stain my fucking leather jacket? Heart you piece of Shit. The point of the song moving out is pretty much that the American dream does not exist and it's pointless to work hard just to be able to afford the shiny expensive things people by to impress their neighbors again. This says a lot more about billy Joel State of mind than it says about anything. As far as I can tell I have respect people that get rich and they just talked about being rich when people have a shit ton of money right songs like this is just fucking annoying. Did you know that Billy Joel was at Donald? Trump's wedding Malanje no. It's not surprising. What the fuck you get to write songs like this. I don't think he's a big fan of trump of president trump for the politician or anything. Sure come on man. The Guy who picks up my trash every week wasn't at Donald Trump's wedding yeah. I forgot to ask my bartender. The but I'm pretty sure she wasn't invited to Donald Trump's wedding if these people want to save up their money and buy a cadillac. Maybe you should shut the fuck up billy Joel. That isn't GonNa make you happy why I don't know dude. You have ten of them. So how many nights in a row could he sell out Madison Square Garden singing songs like this about blue collar people to blue collar people? The kid and the song says he's moving out but he never says what is big plan is. You'RE GONNA starve or freeze to death. Kid The lyrics and it seems such a waste of time if that's what it's all about. Mama if that's proven up moving out. Do you think this is all bullshit job and you're going to leave home. Wow I guess about the papers next year based on the message of the song. You'd think it'd be like I'm going to move into the basement fucking. Maybe this kid ended up going in washing dishes in an Italian restaurant somewhere. Maybe he's unwritten in the lines of scenes from an Italian restaurant a seven and a half minute long song that Billy Joel wrote. It's actually just three different songs that he didn't think we're good enough by themselves so he put them all into one song. And in some strange form of alchemy people brainwash themselves enough to think it was genius. I don't Oh wow. He took three different pieces of shit and now they are one amazing piece of Shit. Look at this shit. It's a bigger pile of shit now. He didn't even finish writing the individual pieces of the song. The Hook to one of the parts is just him going a wo- over and over again mass a very common theme and Billy Joel saw. This guy wants to be Elton John so bad it has to drive him up the wall. What is that called like a a musical term for that when you Because it is very common in Pop Music. What is it like when you go? La La la La Boo boo boo boo Blah Blah Blah Blah. Whatever like you just nonsense. Why I totally background vocal would be unless you don't know how to write a song and you make it literally your chorus shit. Un's of this stuff in Billy Joel songs. I think somebody should chop up all of the Allah. Las Things that he ever does any song and put them in one song. Probably be like twenty minutes. Sounds like injure that this came out the same year as Bat. Outta hell by MEATLOAF knowing. Don't know if people know that paradise by the Dashboard. Light versus everything. Billy Joel ever did. Yeah tough one. Like if you could go back in time and you had to kill Billy Joel or Meatloaf when they were both babies. You Kill Billy Joel Billy Joel McKenna. Make it yeah. I'm sorry also before anyone gets mad at me about that baby killing joke. It's a very famous mental exercise about Hitler and this is definitely the same thing. That's exactly what you're trying to say. I thought so meatloaf Roast Brooklyn great songs. There's a lot of great songs on that album. Say That I think it sucks that Billy Joel. Probably the guy who orders the wine when he goes out to dinner with people. You know a bottle of wine. A bottle of red perhaps a bottle of Rosa instead. Everyone's bummed like fuck you dude. Why are you even here? Hopefully the wait staff is smart enough to bring him the most expensive show you. They're laughing but inside there. Like secretly like fucking hate this motherfucker. Why did we invite him? He usually picks up the check. You know he's GonNa fucking pay for it so. I guess we'll be drinking Rosa again tonight. Billy I love your music. We're good friends. This is the same motherfucker who starts off the Song New York state of mind by talking about all these normal vacation destinations. All the normal places people go on vacation. And then he says he'd rather take a greyhound bus to New York City. This guy has either never been on a greyhound bus before or he's got his head so far up. Jack heroics acid. He's giving woody Guthrie a blow job. I love the sinking. None of this makes sense as a kind of things that I wish I could roll my eyes all the way around in my head. They would just be like on fire. I thought you were having a stroke. And it's the so very cringe-worthy enrich people talk about riding the bus. That not even poor people WANNA ride. You know what I mean nobody goes. I can't wait to ride the fucking. Greyhound says that the only one that person that says that it's someone that doesn't have to ride it. One time I had to take a greyhound bus from Moscow. Idaho Utah Los Angeles California. Jeez took about two days. Yeah and I would rather sit next to an infant on every airplane flight for the rest of my life than ever do that again. Do debts because you had to do it. If you were fucking rich as billy Joel you just wax poetic about it. As if it's something to it you know what happens when you ride a bus like that. You get sick you get mugged. It's fucking sucks as the person next to you is jerking off sock. It's not good. No one likes riding the bus. It's kind of like being in prison for a little bit. It is is prison on wheels. Two Days Tyler. I don't know how you survive last thing on New York state of mind. I think pretty much every hacks songwriter ever tried to rewrite the Song Georgia on my mind about whatever state they live in. Of course. It's so unnecessary to pretend anyone who did that did anything more than that. Yeah that's all it is only. The young is a song about a guy who will say anything. He can to convince a girl to fuck him. Come Out Virginia. Don't let me wait. You Catholic girls start much too late odd but sooner or later it comes down to fate. I might as well be the one. Listen only the good die. Young means we should fuck and get it over with. I don't I honestly. I've never understood this saying only the good die young. I'M GONNA have to look up where that came from fucking toolman. You might have heard that. I run a dangerous crowd. You're a fucking Douche. Who says that nobody ever says? I'm a bad boy or a Madama. Tough guy they just are. I do feel like he thinks that about himself though. I do get the impression that Billy Joel thinks. He's tough I think. He thinks he's you know one of the gang. He does. Strike me as a kind of guy that wants to be a gangster and they kind of let him in the Mafia type thing because he's so fucking famous and rich like Frank Sinatra right. Yeah not because he's actually worthy of it. You know I will give Billy Joel. That he probably is a better singer than Frank Sinatra as really setting the bar pretty low. It's not I mean. Still Not a complimentary anything but yeah only good. Young was condemned by the Catholic Church because of those lyrics I just read. I could see some people thinking that means. It's cool like that's dangerous song. It's about a girl named Virginia. She's a virgin named Virginia. Sick play on words Dudin. Also here's a super fucked up part about this. I think this is about a real girl that billy Joel really did WanNa fuck when he was a teenager and I think this is her real name that get you Really that's a real fucked up thing to do if that's what happened to hope. That is not true. So fucked up dude. That would be such a bummer. Can you imagine the kind of Messages Billy? Joel would send two girls on tinder own. My God I wish I wish so badly it's social media existed when these people are young one of the things that he says about this song when people ask about is yours. Make sure to point out that the girl in the song does not actually fuck the guy So I'm surprised. The next song on the album wasn't called. She's a bitch and I didn't WanNA fucker anyway. So called didn't want to anyway. The funniest thing about this song though and you can hear this if you listen to after you know Billy Joel originally road. Only as a reggae song and he was singing it with a fake Jamaican accent and everything and his drummer had to finally tell him to knock it off. His German was like. Don't do that very funny. What the fuck is going on? And that's what I want to know. What the world needs a reggae song about Jamaican China Bona Catholic version sung by a White Guy from New Jersey? Also I should be the dude who makes that I. I'm definitely the guy for that song. I really think it takes a lot of humility to be a songwriter to say to yourself. Look I wrote this really great song but I'm not the person to sing a lot of unfortunately artists like billy. Joel never have that moment of clarity to say this is inappropriate for a middle aged white guy from New Jersey to be saying now that we've sold a bunch of shirts. Maybe people will start responding to them wearing our shirts. We get tagged and post all the time I see at Y F. BS pod dot com. I want to hear the story. What definitely want to hear some story. I bet a lot of people laughing at the shirt. I Bet when you're walking around and ensure that says your favorite band sucks on it. You get a lot of people who aren't dumb as fuck going that shirts funny. I hope it's a great conversation starter or ender. If you're a single person and you're someone that goes on dates you should buy a shirt and wear on a date It's a great litmus test figure out right away. Oh this person. I'm going on this date with favor. Band Caesar text your friend. Hey can you call me in a minute and tell me that you really need my help? Get the fuck outta their back to the thing in the interview where he's doing the demonstrations of Elton John. Russell it's really funny. The he used Elton John and Leon Russell as the examples that he chose to respond to in that video playing their songs and their styles. And it's really funny. He used Elton John Song. That sounds the most like big shot because big shot just sounds like Leon Russell. Plus Elton John Yeah. I think it sounds like a song that Elton John would be singing the way he sings it. Just sounds like Elton John Five. Oh do don't get it twisted Elton. John version of this song would be way better than billy. Joel's way better and obviously justice. Elton John Song even if Ellen John Covered this song word for word the just say that's an John Song. It's like to imagine that Billy Joel Does. Enunciate this dramatically in casual conversation. This is a song where he does that Shit. We were talking about earlier with the crazy. Enunciate each sounds like he's trying to talk like a young John Travolta for most of this song. Does he sing? This weighed live because it would be still harsh. It's part of the song it's part of the performance. It's part of what people come to here is him seeing in this way. Enunciate in this way. I may hate this song most any bill. Joel's no you definitely. Hey Piano memoir the big shot at you. I don't know I may hate this worse. Why hate this song so dumb? I still gotTA give it to. We didn't start the fire. I think I think that's my least favorite billy Joel. What stupid about this song digit did Dan? Don't don't do two different songs. We talked about this a little bit earlier. You said you didn't watch the music video for this song I did. It's really funny. How heavy the guys in his band and Billy Joel think this song is if you watch the music video. I'm pretty sure that the guitar player thinks he's in Black Oak Arkansas. Or some shit is they're all he's. I think he's even playing explorer possibly some metal guitar and rocking the heck out. If I may say so sir it's real and Billy Joel just trying to not look like a robot I guess I have a real huge question. I would love for someone to answer this. Why at two and a half minutes into this song. Why does Billy Joel starts singing? Exactly like the count from Sesame Street. Has Anyone ever asked Billy Joel this? It's right after the no. No no no no no no part at two minutes and thirty two seconds. He comes out of the No. No no no no no. You had to be shot. It's so has anyone ever asked. Billy Joel why he did this. I don't know we'd love to find out. I mean maybe this is him getting back in touch with his muppet routes. I I can just picture. Have this scenario in my head. Billy Joel finally snaps. You know. And he can't stand another bad music review and he kidnaps a music critic ties a chair. Like you've read about in a Hannibal Lecter novel or something. He puts in the vampire teeth and strips off all his clothes. It's play on the song and then does a little lip synch performance to it right before he kills them. I WanNa see this could animate this. I guess if you're bored and you may cartoon other any other. I don't think we've ever done someone that repeats themselves so many times in their songs non-indian he loves those June. This is not. I'm not joking when I say this I know my fucking one year old talks like that serious. This is what babies do not is what he does and I'm going to think he's seeking billy Joel. Also well I think there are a lot of very successful pop artists. Even musicians working in others are on rose. The sold a lot like Nirvana. I think to made a lot of babies. Sal Lot of baby sounds syllables. Mugabe type Shit. Fuck this lady. Gaga is literally her name one of the biggest pop stars on the planet. I mean there's a lot to it. You know early impressions stick with you until you die. So yeah I think there's a reason why a lot of pop music is literally infantile in that way literally infantile so big shot is pretty much the song that a person writes after coming home from party. All they can think about is how everyone at the Party. Like some other person at the party so much more than they liked you That's essentially what this song is about. Everyone laughed at that other person's jokes and not yours etc. The lines all your friends were so knocked out and the line. You kept them so entertained implies that the person in this song is making everyone else at the Party. Have a really good time and the person writing. The song has a problem that it was this other person He's supposed to written a song about Bianca Jagger. I think apparently she like got drunk and embarrassed herself at dinner with billy. Joel and Mick Jagger like that but all it sounds like to me. I look at the lyrics. The lyrics are what happened. It sounds like people probably had a good time with Bianca Jagger while Billy Joel was. They're not getting any laughs at himself in the mirror masturbating going. You think you're a big shot. You had dooby be no no no no no crying. When he wrote this he cried. I just feel like if you really identify what Billy Joel's music. You're probably the kind of person who walks around thinking. You never get the credit you deserve for whatever you think you deserve credit for well if big shot is one of your favorite songs. I don't know how you feel any other way if you read more than three Billy Joel. Interviews. You're going to immediately see how much bothers this guy. That critics are not always calling him a genius. It's just depressing. There's this song. He's got called pressure and the music video is one of the most pretentious things I've ever seen. I think it would be great if someone could make a Gif of the part of the end of the music video where he's sitting in a chair sort of like a clockwork orange situation staring like Zombie in the sky or like this really bright light or something sort of like something that you might expect to see in a Gary Numan Video Artsy Weird Shah. He's singing the lyrics. Now here you are with your faith in your Peter Pan Advice. You have no scars on your face and you cannot handle pressure. Why is this a billy Joel Year? This guy's going say this is the guy who earlier was talking about. How pop and rock lyrics should not be art? They're not supposed to be taken seriously or anything. What is this shit? I sounds like he ate like a quarter tab asset and watched like some trippy movie and now all of a sudden he's like deep and it definitely sounds like he wants you to think he's smart yes at least it. Sounds like he wants you to think he's Mario. I have watched art movies. I am weird now. Watch you make this video or someone who thinks that about pop music. That is not supposed to be smart. It also feels to me like he's always trying to write songs from a more serious perspective that he couldn't possibly understand like the Song Allentown which is supposed to be this whole workers a millworker factory worker song or the Saigon Song Soldiers. There's no fucking way. This guy knows what it's like to be a soldier. We definitely in. Doesn't he watched an Oliver Stone movie happing into his Bruce Springsteen Satcom on me with a PI nobody like? I can't imagine who billy Joel thinks. He's representing in the song my life. It seems to be a song about someone chasing their artistic dream because it starts talking about a friend who presumably is making a living in L. A. As a standup comic than the rest of the song is about how you could pretty much fuck off and I'd rather be homeless than give up on my dreams. It's my la now nail. That is the song that is gonNa live for ever a good singer on Kiro. Anybody says the Billy Joel Song. My life is from the album fifty second street which is how many. How many fucking records are we into? This is the one where Billy Joel is. Supposed to have. Brought a bunch of jazz to his sound Zanzibar. Asong everyone sites as an example of this. But Dude I've heard steely Dan before. And I know what this bullshit is. Stop Calling Jazz please. I don't need you to worry for me because I'm all right. I don't want you to tell me it's time to come home. I don't care what you say anymore. This is my life. Go ahead with your own life. Leave me alone. And then the rest of the lyrics look at it. It's essentially talking about how you should listen to anyone and you should just be homeless eventually. You'll have somewhere to sleep. I don't know I think people that say I don't care what you have to say anymore. This is my life. I think something that they're telling themselves usually write a song. When I don't care about something I usually write a song about it mark. Yes that's what I'd be when I read like are you are you. Are you telling that for us what I do when I don't care about something is usually I'll spend? I don't know three weeks sometimes at home. Really working on the lyrics of a song about that and then what I'll do is it's kind of expensive. I don't know if you've ever tried to do it. But I'll rent studio space and then hire a bunch of professional musicians to come in. Oh show you how much they don't care then we'll all span again because I don't care I'll do this. I don't care so then what we'll do is we'll all go in there and we'll spend a few hours making a song and then I'd talk my record company into releasing it 'cause they don't. Care Billy Joel is absolutely trying to sing like Harry. Nilsson on the song my life. This is a year after Nilsson. Dropped his label when they bought that album roll out. I talked about early earlier. This looks like a chance to be the only guy singing that way on the radio this year. Well Shit I'm going to go ahead and take it. Oh Do. This song went to number one in Zimbabwe. Though that really tells you something just yes they did. Yes I mean I get it. It's a cool dangerous vibe to put an a song homeless or whatever but you just hire a publicist to lie about it and say you lived in your car or something before you realized how much money you can make impersonating Harry Nilsson. My life has been compared to the Beatles ally which is fair but Nilsen was basically if the Beatles were only one guy wrote songs you actually wanted to listen to. Which is why the Beatles were listening to Harry Nilsson in the sixties and Billy Joel has absolutely trying to sing like Harry. Nilsson on this song. Billy Joel also one of these artists that has teen big songs but also has many fucking records. It's too much God damn if you put out a hundred fifty songs it's just to typically there's going to be ten songs people like especially if you are apparently under no pressure to have a consistent sound. Apparently it's okay if you just decide sure. I'm going to rip off Elton John. This Song Harry Nilsson on this song. The Rolling Stones on this song. I think you may be right is a pretty good example of the kind of nonsense. Billy Joel. Thought he could put out and be called a genius he put it out and it was a hit. Of course he can keep getting hits by just switching who? He's trying to sound like when you're borrowing what's popular from other people that are much bigger more influential artists. You're going to have songs. It's not that hard if you will a karaoke machine into a bar you're going to get people to sign up and seeing the worst versions of famous songs that you've ever heard yes. So why is it a stretch to propose that someone would make a career out of just slightly altering these songs and making more of them? People will go for the Karaoke machine. So they'll definitely go for the thing that looks like the same thing is what's on the Karaoke machine. Everyone listening to this who follows on facebook or listen on Youtube anywhere where you can leave a comment. Do me a favor. Look up the Billy Joel Song. You may be right and leave a comment if you spent your whole life until now thinking. That was a bad rolling stone song. I want you to leave a comment. If you legit straight up thought that was a rolling stones song recorded. On a day that Mick Jagger had a cold I think a lot of people just think this is a rolling stones song. He said it home dissecting your favorite songs reworking them into his own songs and putting out so many of them started sticking the same album as you may be right. Glass also has a song called. It's still rock and roll to me. How much music by the band of cars do you think Billy Joel listened to between this album and the last one he put out because this song is about how new wave music the cars were performing it still sounds like rock and roll to him and just to prove it. He made the song. Sound the cars but it's so good you don't get ballet. You don't get him if it's not possible to write original music. Then why does everyone say the Billy Joel Song Uptown Girl? Sounds like Frankie Valli and the four seasons Why does everyone say uptown girl? Sounds like Frankie Valli. Why is that the first last and only artist everyone compares that song to and how come no one ever takes an extra step of saying Frankie Valli? Sounds like something that came before him uptown girl? Sounds like Frankie Valli. No one ever goes. Frankie Valli sounds like fill in the blank you want to know why because there was though fill in the blank because you can do original stuff right because the four seasons were original. That's why when Billy Joel decided in the eighties to make a whole album of songs that blatantly imitate other artists. He was able to say. Let's do one. That sounds like Frankie. Valli was like billy. Don't you mean the guy? They Frankie Valli was off the whole time right but all of Billy Joel. Songs are blamed imitations of other artists. It's not just that album and its artists are super famous like the Beatles. This guy has songs that sound like way too close to Beatles songs. You can't do that or you can have your billy Joel. Let me show you on piano. The Beatles would've played it. Ding Dong Ding Dong Ding. Just as bad if not worse. Than Oasis. Sure artists like Billy Joel. The pave the way for away in so many man's that we've covered on this podcast. Actually I'm sure we've talked before about how pointless it is for someone to cover a song. Exactly like the original Uptown girls a cover of four seasons song that never even existed. I there it is again. Every aspect of this song is an attempt to sound like the four seasons to such a degree that again I know there are thousands if not millions of people who think this is the four seasons were song. Billy Joel came out with this about five years after the movie deer hunter. And if you haven't seen the movie deer hunter about Jillian people did and it turned a whole new generation onto Frankie Valli and the four seasons and the power of movies and TV shows because Billy Joel Heads. Fuck using his music. God bless also. It is not impressive. They Billy Joel can sing. Like Frankie Valli because newsflash he cannot but he can try listen to the way he sings and when she goes after the song comes out of the course. And the INTRO. That's where Frankie Valli would have gone into this crazy high falsetto that billy Joel could never ever do. Which is why he doesn't do it. It's dumb when Billy Joel performed the song live. He grabs his nuts. Like that's what's making his voice go higher and I think it's like a bit of an act to try to make. It seem like his voices going higher than it actually is. People believe there is more than their ears. He's jamming nuts up inside and that's what I think he's doing. This song is from the album that billy made. The whole album is blatantly in deliberately copying different bands from the fifties and sixties. It's not possible to argue that this guy is not derivative he always always was and he finally just decided to stop pretending he finally just got sick. Yes that's what he is. He's the guy that takes all the fun and exciting things about everyone. He ribs off and goes. I'm GONNA take the edge off all this stuff. You can go to a billy. Joel concert without having to question your sexuality that's not going to happen in an Giang Show Elton. Maybe you get glitter on you. Now when you come to my show no glitter am I show. Hey Mark you know those on rented billboards you see the point out how good of an idea it would be for company to. Rant that advertising base. Yeah the ones with the graffiti all over them. You know those empty billboards that you see around him yet. You wonder how did that guy get up there and spray paint sign and not fall off? So did you know that we did a million downloads and twenty nine thousand nine. I did know that it's pretty awesome. Because we only put out like nineteen episodes last year. I guess our shows just so great. They're always a ton of people going back and listen to our old content the million imes our voices have been injected into our fans ears in other thing is we have dynamic ads stitching. I have no idea how it works. But somehow we can plug this new message. We're recording right now into all of our old content and that's what people will hear through the magic of technology. We are able to put this very thing that you're listening to at any moment in the history of our podcast. So yeah when companies want to advertise on our show they can email us at Info at Y F BS pod Dot Com to learn more about how it works and what kind of people listening to this show. What kind of people do you think? Listen to the show by the way very intelligent highly educated very highly educated The sought after demographics possible for I know a lot of people in bands. Listen to this show. So probably merged companies gear companies would be good sponsors or obviously music fans. Listen to this. Show any sort of audio equipment. Whoever's making that these days probably don't WanNA mention any brand names right now you know whoever's making nicer speakers and headphones and turntables all those things that people ingest music with. Yeah I could say even if your favorite band doesn't suck you wouldn't know it by listening on your bullshit phone speakers so by the that'd be a good one. I can say something like that right self. It could go just like that. How pissed off do you think? Bruce springsteen was the day he showed up to the studio to lay down vocals on whatever. The song was going to be and found out. Billy Joel had already so when the tape and recorded we didn't start the fire weed in the FI. This song is like someone told Billy Joel about talking heads at a Party. One time and he didn't think he had to listen to it to go make his own version of it. Just fucking do my own. And he's real cocky about it. Oh you mean like this. Let me show you the lyrics myself. I don't even man do we could do. Oh my God I mean we could do almost an episode about He. He talks about you too and here. It would take a year to deconstruct the lyrics of the song I mean. Obviously he wasn't trying for anything other than loose rhymes and fitting certain names in but the impressive thing is that this was before the Internet so he had to have gone to a library to write this. So okay let's let's dissect this a second. Oh God is he. Is he saying that? All these things he listed are bad like we didn't start the fire because he lists of bought like eight. I don't think it's assigning value to any of this stuff. I think it's just all supposed to be reference points of big things that happened. Yeah the story is that he was in the studio and some of the younger guys were talking about how crazy the world was right then. I don't remember what specifically happened. It's probably in the lyrics of the song and whatever the most recent big news in the song lyrics are is probably what they were talking about. Billy Joel said something. And they were like yeah but like things. Weren't this crazy when you were a kid right. You know because every generation thinks they're the only one that matters I'm not GonNa lie the fact that he fucking rhyme schemed birth control. Hokey men Richard Nixon back again. Moon Shot Woodstock Watergate punk rock. That's some next level shit. You think he's fucking crazy. You think this is the best billy Joel Song. This possibly could be the best thing he ever wrote because he mentions you too and AIDS and crack and heavy metal wheel of fortune and suicide all on the same song. Pretty fucking brilliant man. What is an average day of hanging out with this guy? Like fucking pure torture for sure. Drinking Rosa we watching wheel of Fortune crack. Guess listening to heavy Metal Budapest Alabama. What do an Alabama well also if the theme is same major moments or major people so it makes sense will does he mention Richard Nixon twice? He does yeah because Richard Richard Nixon. Back again okay. But then why is he talking about Little Rock? Arkansas billy almost a dozen crazy shit in little rock man. You don't know yeah that's true. It's where he lost his virginity blow for the first time. I don't put up a plaque. Wherever this guy partied in little rock he might have done some real wild shit. Yeah I guess. There's just a few things that here. The don't make sense compared to the depth of the other things like some things seemed important to him at the time and no one even knows what they are. Yeah yeah that's the problem with trying to get to recent in your social commentary. Why that's why we don't do a lot of episodes on who are currently famous is five years from now. We're not trying to have contributed to shape band being more relevant than they ever would have been if we had just left it alone for five more years. They'll still be there if they're worth making fun of in five years all right. Let's let's let career Peter out slack offending wine. You GotTa let ineptitude breathe a little bit the see where the true talent for it lies. Oh do somebody went through every single thing he mentioned in the song in fucking put it in the wikipedia. Now what asshole did that? Okay well now. I know my answers. Do you know why he mentions Disneyland. Along with AIDS. There's someone at Disneyland. Nope Disneyland opened In the fifties I feel like my thing would have been better. You wasn't the band the Baugh plane mother so now. This song sucks shed this song stupid. It's madness to me that there are people who think this is a song with something to say or Song. That even has any point whatsoever imaginative. Someone threw down in early springsteen rip off track and saying a list of everything. Donald Trump has done since announcing that he would run for President. He had just replace all the words. You could do that and no one would give a shit. It's something that Saturday night live. Would do as a joke but it would be so stupid that it wasn't funny we didn't start. The fire is essentially pretending that that it would be genius. This is what it is. It's the aristocrats of songs. Yes how long will people listen to this? And you could also continue it on forever. You could just inject New Orleans into this and make a new song. Yeah forever man. What a song. I don't know I'm not sure if this is a song. There is no melody in this song and again this is a situation where you cannot disagree with without disagreeing with the guy who made it. Billy Joel hates the melody of this song because there isn't one quick side note by favorite things about this entire podcast. Is People get pissed at us if you could just be like well mean? The artists said it. Find out two more things about the artists that you say you love so much and you have to agree with us right straight up. Call the melody of this song. Terrible and compared it to a dentist drill. I'm a hack but people keep letting me get away with it. So what am I going to do try? I don't be silly. This is actually right up the billy Joel Song writing singing not singing vibe. Because he can. Enunciate these words. So per exactly every word in the song we lafortune. Sally ride heavy metal suicide. You know there are people who pride themselves on knowing all the words to a complicated song. This is one of the biggest cam. Magin walking around with all of the lyrics to this song in my memory and billy Joel has to do that. So maybe this explains a lot about who he is a person. There's just not much room there for developing anything else like higher thought. Yeah we should probably just be happy. This guy still has dumps. He could have devolved. This is actually soaked up so much of his brain. Power is what you're saying. Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. That's a good out form to us. If he ever. You know I would start using that out if I was him. If the song does have a point it is the most okay. Boomer song ever recorded if the point of this song is we didn't start the fire fault. These are all just things that happened in. I had nothing to do with any of them. I'm just name checking all these things. I read about in news headlines. This is happening to me. I am not participating. This is the boomer theme song. Yes if you're confused about the okay. Boomer meam greed the lyrics of this song. This is why that's a joke. Yeah that's what the whole thing is. We didn't start. The fire is not your fault right. I do sometimes wonder if this whole song is billy. Joel's way of calling the world. Hell that's the fire. The Hell on earth we're all experiencing right now him and otherwise. What's the fire? What fire is this guy? Walking into the police station once a week ranting about how he didn't steal anything either. I didn't sort of fire as the anything if you didn't do this. Billy you don't need to put as much effort into the denying it. What Fire Billy has anyone checked? The fires in state parks against his touring schedule. Just one time. It's all I'm saying. Maybe people should take this song very literally. This is one of those things where somebody is denying something. We didn't even think that you did do that. That's the curse of this song is. It's so devoid of meaning that it's like a black hole and you can't help but try to throw your own meaning at it. It just sucks logic out of your brain toward it and you try to explain it and there's no rational explanation. Many of these names events are important so when someone references them it activates the important part of my brain and I started looking for the important connections. Why is this important? How does this connect to that know? It's like if you this song is like looking at someone's murder wall. They're trying to solve a murder. They have a murder board. Pans string connecting suspects in events and locations but there is no logic here when he says JFK blown away. What else do I have to say? That sort of sums it all up to like you can reference the Kennedy assassination and. I sure I'm going to start thinking about important things but when you follow it up with to say will you kind of just set it all? I think this extremely altering crazy moment in history and say what else to say. Punctuate it with that. I think that speaks volumes it right. That's it it's sad day when Glenn. Dan's Zig has more interesting things to say about the Kennedy assassination than your favorite band or singer does literally the song it has more interesting commentary on the Kennedy assassination. Then we didn't start the fire if this is someone's favourite song then you also know that end of the world by REM is that person's second favorite song and that's kind of all you need to know about that person's taste in music. This is the same song as into the world. Do you think it's possible that there's people out there right now. That know all the words to both. Yeah Zip has got guy. I know a lot of people. Think that the Billy Joel Song came out. First and REM is a rip off of the fire but that is not the case rem song came out first so yet again another example. Billy Joel. Oh that's what people wanna hear. I could do that Dane. Dude Imagine Billy Joel ripped off or am I think people have sort of a fudge time line of when stuff went down if any Billy Joel. Song reminds you of another song. It's super likely other song came out. First Y'all yeah. I don't think people are finding out about Billy Joel. That much now. I don't think this guy is going to be passed down generation. No no no. You're wrong you say that. And they're gonNA put one of these stupid fucking songs in a movie and movie is going to be extremely popular with young people. That's exactly what people said about Queen. And then fucking Wayne's world came out and then think about all the other movies that rehashed old songs and we're going to be right back here again in five years talking about no really seriously mark. You may be right. I may be crazy. You should never underestimate the stupidity of people if that happens. The only way it makes sense is that half a century. After the fact art that was created as nostalgia at the time gets blended in with the original thing Like I think that there are people who haven't gone back and built a timeline of the history of music or anything like that. They hear uptown girl. Oh that must have happened at the same time as Frankie Valli. And they don't do the homework and find out. This is just repurposing. Something else as all billy Joel ever did but now looking back at everything. That's all just the past example. Elton John's tiny dancer came out in the year. Nineteen seventy-one with the Verse Piano Man. He makes his stand in the auditorium looking on. She sings the song the words she knows the tune she homes four years later. Billy Joel puts out a song called piano man with a Shitload of humming in it. I don't think this is an accident. He was inspired. And I don't think I'm having to read between the lines to say that either. I think this is looking directly at and I think we could definitely do an episode of John in blame. Oh Yeah Billy Joel's entire existence on Elton John. It is if Elton John was your favorite artist. It would be a huge burden to know how responsible he was for. Billy Joel and intern. Billy Joel is your favorite band. Your favorite bands sucks. You are welcome for this. Two part exploration of the creative Black Hole. That is billy Joel's entire career based on request. I know for a fact that a ton of you were waiting on these episodes share far and wide grabby links at why F. B. S. pod dot com. 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Which Billy Joel is now using to try to get laid in a bar? I mean there's at least another fifteen minutes mark and I could have done here on things. People say out of grief at a funeral which billy Joel may then go on to try to use in a bar to get laid such a shame. He was taken from US much too soon. He had so much life to live. I mean just think. Beverly if he were here tomorrow morning he'd find out about how hard I'm GonNa Wreck that Pussy tonight etc as for why. Little Rock Arkansas. And the state of Alabama are mentioned in. We didn't start the fire. These two places were obviously very significant to the civil rights movement. So everyone who thought. I really didn't know who Rosa Parks was in the outcast episode. 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Pel's #10 Jersey

Lost at the Smithsonian with Aasif Mandvi

31:21 min | 1 year ago

Pel's #10 Jersey

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There are roughly six thousand pieces of sports memorabilia. Here for today's episode. I have to pick just one to learn about. It's not an easy choice. You're seeing a baseball. Signed by the nine hundred thirty one yankees colluding Babe Ruth. I'm completely lately overwhelmed by my options. Here there's Tony Hawk. Skateboard Chris Everett's tennis racket. A Yankee Stadium Ticket booth from Nineteen twenty-three. There is even a handball handball here. That was used by Abraham Lincoln. It's impossible to choose look at that. Oh Oh wow number ten jersey. New York has mos Pele is one of the most famous athletes ever. He was the goat before for the war. Goats are celebrated player in the history of the game over the course of a twenty one year career as a professional soccer player. Pele did more for the sports global appeal than anyone in history. He did so much in fact that the International Olympic Committee named Pele The athlete of the century Capelli's spent most of his career in Brazil where he was born but towards the end of his career. He came to America to popularize soccer in the US. Today he joins the New New York Cosmos and the North American Soccer League. Pele Worn unassuming White Mesh Jersey with the number ten on it and now that Jersey has made its way to the Smithsonian's the American history is not just an culture. Doesn't just come from America. I'll kinda shows like we also are Indebted to other cultures for building. Our own is as well. You know. I've actually Matt Pella Okay. Oh Yeah and he actually. He actually came to the daily show once really nancy like meet him tonight. Legendary Footballer One three World Cups during his professional career is the all time leading. Goalscorer are in soccer. Johnston and I both huge soccer fans. I grew up in England where watching soccer is practically citizenship requirement. And though it's hard to believe John Played in college so heck sometimes we even call it. Football new grow up very little money. You use for a soccer ball sock doc stuffed with newspaper or something grateful grapefruit. I mean that's how they they plan on the dirt Pele. He's on a whole other level level. He doesn't even need a ball to play the game and the she works socks Wow It really is a testament. When your socks talks are in the Smithsonian dirty socks dirty socks her in the Smithsonian it is it Pele Pele? I've heard Pele but but I grew up. So I probably will fluctuate through the course of the interview. Herrick is an expert on sports more importantly. He's a curator. Raider the American History Museum which means he's in charge of making sure. I don't walk out of here wearing Pele's Jersey. There is such a legend. Even his name has an origin story. He was born Edson. Atlantis do Nascimento. Pele was a nickname. Other boys started calling him when he was just a kid. He didn't really. I liked the name. They said he said it was a kid before he no he didn't like the name. Pele Pele or my understanding is that he didn't really care for it but it was the nickname that it was attributed them as a as a kid and didn't mean something because he grew up in Brazil. Yeah they say he's the they claim to not know what it means interesting even if it didn't mean anything then Pele certainly means something now soccer legend and he grew up playing soccer football doc football on the streets of West and Paolo he was an incredibly impoverished and became a professional as a so. You know and it's really teams wore shoes in a game at age. Twelve but at fifteen. He was a major league player at Seventeen storrow the World Cup and a major world bigger over the next fifteen years Pele scored more than a thousand goals. One reporter wrote the best and most experienced defenders on earth could do nothing to stop him short of homicide aside. No wonder that. So many people the name Palais is synonymous with soccer itself. There's not many people so associated with a sport back then soccer's Babe Ruth would be an example in baseball where people who don't know baseball that Babe Ruth Baseball player but he's that level of tame the return of Pele attracted worldwide interest and given professional soccer in the US a kingside shock in the art when Pele came to play for the New York Cosmos in nineteen seventy five. It was a big deal not just because polly was a soccer star but because he came out of retirement to bring soccer to America America it was only a two year stint but it made a huge impact the return of play today on. CBS Look at. It is like when you have people like when Brigitte cough or come to America. You know like these kind of international stars people not interested in sports still want to see the best or the most interesting wresting thing so play was able to do that just as presence joining the team and I think he did it intentionally. Because he's new America. Was this great market that it was kind of untapped for the sport that he loved a few years. Before Pele's arrival when the North American soccer league began Dan soccer was largely seen as a sport for foreigners but just a few years after Pele's brief chapter with the cosmos. There were over three million organize players in the US. I went to my first practice and I fell in love. It was just I call it love it. I kicked among the young players who felt that spark when Pele played in the. US was brandy chesting. Justin is best known for her penalty. Kick at the one thousand nine hundred ninety nine World Cup in front of ninety thousand fans at the Rose Bowl and with forty million Americans watching at home keeper in the world is going to save chastain ripped off for Jersey and dropped to her knees in a black sports sports bra an iconic image that was on the cover of sports illustrated Newsweek and Time magazine because of its importance on so many levels for women's sports and for soccer in the US that in one thousand nine hundred nineteen put women's soccer on the map. It really is a moment of insanity because it was relief it it was satisfaction. It was it was passionate it was love it was pride than if you could multiply it exponentially by probably like million. Then we might get close is to the feeling that I had at that moment but it all started when chastain went to a soccer camp as a nine year old with a prize for the best is player was the chance to wear. Pele's number ten Cosmos Jersey for an afternoon man. If that didn't ignite a fire in me and so I I have to set the stage even more and saying that was like three hundred boys at an overnight camp and like five girls so the competition was stiff but I was determined to wear that Jersey and sure enough I did and it was like a Magic Cape. It was like you know the invisibility cloak so to speak. You could put it on and you felt like you could do anything it was you know obviously way too long for me at nine and I wore more like address than a shirt but it was spectacular. It made me so happy. I mean even now talking about you know I have a big big smile on my face and it's one of those moments that you hope in your lifetime. You can recreate the feeling you you had when you put that Jersey on now first of all let me ask you this. Is it Pele or visit Palay. Well I I would just call him. The King David Hershey. The sports writer who co wrote Pele's new World Pele's his autobiography about his time in the US. If there's anybody who knows Pele well enough both personally and professionally to give the king his do it's him it's Pele. La Pele Pele Right. It's not as my first. Sports editor referred to them is really that is not say that guys should have been fired right on the spot. I had this debate with the curator at the Smithsonian Palay. He wanted to call him Palay an well. Hey late eight makes perfect sense because he did nothing. Basically that didn't have a check attached to it so pay lay right. Maybe that's what they're talking about. His opportunism was even spoofed on the simpsons. King of view became of your kitchen us. Chris revealed waxed paper. David who she's interest in soccer wasn't strictly professional. He used to play in college when he was twenty two. He was working as a reporter for the New York. Daily early news. Who's editor told him? Don't waste your time on soccer. It's a game for comedy pansies. Luckily David Din listen. I volunteered in tiered to cover soccer because no one else wanted anything to do with it. So for that first year it was seventy three seventy before I would schlep out to Long Island and write four paragraphs about the cosmos That were usually cut in in half and placed in the hair replacement ads in the back of the paper but that all changed in July tenth nineteen seventy five Wenn Pele arrived and all of a sudden my stories were leading the sports section. So basically I own my career to to demand are here under threat is. I'm still not sure about how much money he got. I was told by my source that it was a two point. Eight million for two years which seems chump change by today's standards but was then the most money that any soccer player made need. It's important to point out that while Pele loved the idea of coming coming to the states to spread the gospel of soccer to the Heathens. He also loved the string of zeroes on his paycheck because he was frankly broke broke from hat relying on his entourage to handle his finances. Share and stuff ya well now when Pele got to America. Soccer wasn't really part of American sports now. Being on a soccer team in elementary school is a right of passage inch back then. It was practically unheard of baseball was American football was American basketball was American but soccer. That was a Commie Armie pansies until Pele showed up when that happened David her. She suddenly went from covering bottom tier sport to following around the biggest biggest sport celebrity in the world in Brazil where he was before he retired all he could win was a championship because he was already a national treasure but here he could actually win a country he could. He could conquer the last outpost of indifference toward the beautiful four-game while at the same time making himself whole financially light takes a pretty good shot of the penalty. Area down the ball comes across three Palais Palais. What half-full stadiums? We're talking about. You Know Ramshackle Stadium Field was strewn with rocks in glass and the mixture of You know former semi pro players in college graduates to make a a decent team but there was nothing cool about the sport back thing whatsoever out in the tie up traffic when we return soccer takes over the United States with Pele leading the charge at the request of Henry. Kissinger wait. What what really okay? I'll check my notes and get back to you on that. The story of the Gods Hero's quest a monstrous force. The stuff of Legend offering a glimpse into a fantastical passed and guidance. For creating a meaningful future they're also the focus of the extraordinary tales explored in podcast network's original series mythology every Tuesday mythology delves deep into the history origins and meaning of myths. 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Bear is advancing science for a better life because because someone with heart issues should still be able to have their heart jumped with joy because a farmer using less water should still be able to grow their crops. Because someone getting getting older should still be able to act young at bear. This is why we science What was the impression of Pele before he came to people that Americans know who he was and what he what he meant to the game? Well you know you had to be a die. Hard to really understand his importance as a soccer player but I think a lot of people knew him as a global Nikon. Here's this guy who I think it was nineteen sixty seven chopard into Nigeria and. They stopped the civil war for forty forty eight hours while he was there and there was all sorts of legends about that his popularity eclipsed the pope and maybe only Ali. The League was in his category worldwide. As a sportsman youngster emerged from the obscurity of the backstreets of Sao Paulo to world fame. Almost overnight is famous number. Ten shirt became a symbol of footballing skill. I don't know if you're aware of this. But Pele came by that number Burak sedan in nineteen fifty eight when he when he made his world cup debut as a seventeen year old. The Brazilian team had forgotten To allocate numbers on the shirts right so AFIFA stepped in and is randomly gave the number ten shirt to Pele which was usually awarded to the teams most creative player and playmaker. But you know it was totally by accident that he got that number and of course he made it into the most famous shirt in sports history regardless of how he got what is number Pele's certainly made it his own becoming the most creative player and playmaker not only on his team but in soccer at large. Ah Ah David once wrote the many of Pele Saba goals were masterpieces worthy of the move. Pele himself once said I was born to play football just like Beethoven was born to write music and Michelangelo was born to paint. I bet it does what was so special about in the way he played. Well I think three things balance you couldn't you couldn't shoulder barge him or or tackle them off the ball. He was a squat man with a very sturdy physical plant so he's five foot six that allowed him to wriggle out of tight spaces faces he then had the you know the golden touch he would stop the bull dead upon arrival that gave him an explosive first step to get by defenders and then his vision he could see things that no one else on the field could he. He could see a space that was about to open up in a nanosecond whereas others just saw two defenders in front of them. I think it was that combination of Balance Vision physical little strength and imagination. That set him apart now. Who is responsible support for convincing him to come to the states in the end I think Henry Kissinger Henry Kissinger breath? That's right former secretary of State Henry Kissinger who served under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford Award might be directly responsible for Pele and soccer coming to the US. I think Henry Kissinger a long story. But the general manager you're of the Cosmos was a An ex pat former soccer writer in England. Who is Clive Clive? Toy Right. Who who realized that you know no matter how much effort and gimmicks they put into promoting the cosmos that they would continue to play in near obscurity in less they could get a superstar somersaulting building through the air the score with a by cycle? There wasn't a superstar in all of soccer. Then Pele if the cosmos could get him he'd put them on the map but the problem was Pele had been anointed a national on exportable treasure by Brazil. So he had to resort to using the leverage of our government in dealing with the Brazilian their Brazilian counterparts and that's were Kissinger game in. He was a former mediocre goalkeeper in Germany who loved the sport and he was able to to convince the Brazilian minister that this would be a win win for everybody and I'll forever be grateful to him for that crowd at historians. Now believe I'm saying this but Kissinger was rate. Pele's first game with the Cosmos was televised in twenty two countries which was a major change of pace for the cosmos and what was the spectacle of that first game like what. What was the feeling in the in the in the stadium? Well the irony is they had to play it at this. At Randall's island is said the downtrodden auden pile of rocks left over from the Paleolithic era in Manhattan rather than at Yankee Stadium. which had a capacity the of seventy seven thousand Randall's island could squeeze in maybe twenty what was to me? What was noticeable? was that the press box. which as I said usually had no more than six or seven journalists had three hundred reporters from around the world mile to witness this watershed shed moment and it was? The stadium was in such sad ass shape that I ride in our before the game to see the clive toy. The general manager on his hands and knees painting dirt spots on the field so they would look good on television loud it it was like displaying the Michael Angelo in some ratty basement. So you know Eh feverish ephemeral moment in time that could never be sustained but for those couple years to say as I did to the to the gatekeeper at studio fifty four. I'm with the cosmos. Those four words were like saying I'm with the stone in another year. That leads me to the to Funny Story probably the most surreal moment in the thirty years. I've been covering Pele took place at the at the famed nightclub studio fifty four back in the late seventy s when it was you know the Temple of disco and drug fueled parties and it was full of one one name. People Warhol was no Andy. Liza Minnelli was Liza Bianca Jagger Bianca and he fit in seamlessly. And I'll never forget seeing him stretched out on some leather banquet like Roman emperor with two blondes on each side of him feeding him dom perignon and grapes and looked up at me in winked and he said not for the book up my friend not for the book at the time we were working on a memoir. One of his six autobiographies mine was simply about his time. In this in this state southbound at the time to follow today Pele was this big of a sports star as you could get in America feet which was all the more impressive because his American soccer career only lasted two years. Two years later he retires. Is that right. He retires. Yes two years in nineteen seventy seven before before seventy seven thousand giant stadium in a game where he played the first half for the cosmos and the second in half for his old club team Santos Auto and then what today is all about the over over. He was able to score a goal for each team so everybody was happy. And then he was carried aloft on the shoulders of his Cosmos teammates around for victory. Lack one hand in in teeming rain and I just remember everybody in the stadium staying while it pissed down around and he finally took the microphone and said this is for the children. I'm hoping my time here will l. had planted the seeds for the children who will follow and then he closed with love love love. They wave me three times. No no AH with this day is about the love of the game in the world in two years. He's playing and then after Pele retires. American soccer never looks back like it's just the biggest sport in America. No no no. No what did it was a house of cards. That crumbled the league that he propped up for those two years now the rest of the team's couldn't compete with the millions of dollars and yet they tried and they didn't get the traction that the cosmos did did than it was I think ten years later before. MLS came into being So no there was that period. Where was just? It's an obscure sport that had its once in a lifetime moment but now forty years later the sport is I think entrenched inched in the DNA of American kids. And that's who you're seeing come out to. MLS Games and Selana united where. There's seventy five thousand people every week. So the seeds that he planted did bro At this point the is almost a quarter order century old. An entire generation of American kids have grown up playing and watching soccer and American soccer teams now compete on the world stage where they inspire via a love for the game in a new generation. Twenty five million Americans say play soccer at some level and that doesn't count people like me who want to play but can't because I'm not very good twenty first century. American soccer has firmly established itself as a mainstream sport. And it's all because of one player. Pele take out a troll as their own. Aw and there's no question that his presence you know when people say that the United states is no longer a sleepy backwater of soccer. It was all due to his presence in in in this country goes goes to amazing years. And that's quite a gift and Doc David her. She was a soccer columnist for ESPN and is now a writer at large for the magazine. Gene 8-for-8 next time on loss to the Smithsonian particular that I wanted to pull out So suits suits worn by the beaches. Oh my God matching. That's huge for me. Matching suits from their nineteen seventy tour with their shoes watt fan on this planet Silver Shimmering Shiny suits that represent one of the best selling selling soundtracks of all time lost at the Smithsonian is produced by Mary. Beth Kushner our executive producer and editor is Ellen Weiss Technical Support from Robin Wise. Fact checking from Danielle Roff and scripting by Alex. Berg mixing and sound design by Casey Holford and John Galore original theme Music Music by Casey Holford. Our supervising producer is Jordan. Bell and our executive producer is Chris. Bannon huge thanks to the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History Eric Jansen Ryan Lintel men John Trautmann and Laura Doff for all their help in making this show lost at the Smithsonian is a production of the scripts Washington Bureau and Stitcher. I'm your host of Monty. 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WWHL @ Home: Monique Samuels & Isaac Mizrahi

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

26:38 min | 3 months ago

WWHL @ Home: Monique Samuels & Isaac Mizrahi

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Andy cohen he can take any item and show you how to wear it. Never accessory of choice is a parrot. It's watch what happens is when monique samuels. Isaac mizrahi now full moon eight audience. I see your little baby shower there to watch live. I'm your host sandy cohen. And the two guys who are sure to be the virtual gravy on top of zoom thanksgiving weekend. What a weekend it was. Please welcome real outside of potomac. Monique samuels halo. Neak god You look great. You look very regal thank you. I'm shooting my video for drag queens for my single. Oh boy and my next guest. Four part concert series. Isaac a cafe carlyle december. Four th on broadway world events proving life really is a cabaret sorry about in ise. Ida isaac mizrahi isaac. Hey how are you andy. Hey field little under address. Now that i saw monique she's so kind of very she's very regal and full beach. Looks amazing you look amazing. Monique you look gorgeous. Thank you i. By the way. Isaac just want to say last night instead of pouring myself a little tequila at a little isaac mizrahi roseanne. And i really good. It was really good for sending me that. I got the back as you did it. Yes before we go any further. Monique i have some questions about tonight's episode. There was a lot of conversation about karen running out of her wig party. And whether she actually set you and candace up so that you would intersect. Do you believe that was the case. That was totally not the case. I didn't want it nor did karen and everyone else. Production knew that we were not playing games with that. There was no setup we were never supposed to see each other and it was impossible so you would made it clear to production. You did not want you would not interact with her again until the reunion right absolutely. Yeah what was your reaction to the footage of care and in portugal telling the ladies that she had not invited you. Ju- the wig launch. I didn't understand it because i was always invited. But i think what she meant was. I wasn't going to be a part of the actual event because it was always known that i was gonna come before. So maybe that's what she was speaking to. I'm wondering for both of you. I mean isaac jump in here your reaction to karen in the top in the top waiting for ray to unplug her. It's unbelievable i hope. By the way. Like when arnold deny had that anniversary i can be waiting for him in the child with like a rose pedal trail up to the top of the absolutely leary. Asli loved it. I loved it with everything that they've gone through this season. I just thought that was the cutest. It really just made my heart worm. When isaac doesn't have his finger on the pulse of all the latest fashion trends. He's using it on his remote to stay caught up on the house side. It's time for a little bravo. No they didn't okay as someone who runs a major fashion empire. What was your reaction to robin cutting karen from her website. Ooh that was cold. I understand if pictures aren't good. But i mean she could have found one picture or i thought at one with the hat down like she could have included that general ashley and michael's marriage this season. Oh man that's what that man is not right. Just not okay right because we want to believe him but this always feared and it's like this crazy you can count on it right like you can literally sex your club by the fact that he's going to stray and she's gonna weirdly not freak out like wouldn't you freak out a little bit more. If you were ashley like seriously a little bit more. I feel like she wants out myself. Hot take no. I know i got to the women. Omo necas second chance To prove that she's a changed person absolutely. Are you kidding. First of all because she's the center of the show. Okay seriously and that's not because she's just sitting there but she makes the show and if she doesn't make the show to challa without without to cia. I've been missing. I'm not kidding you. i've been missing. That bird show seriously says okay. Who's your favorite salt lake city housewife so far and why i think narrative obviously because she's a jew right and she has that insanely cute sun right to son. He's just so cute. And so dare. I say kay you say also like is it more men is it. Christian is a jewish. I have no idea. But it's so it's so founded. The rest of them are so crazy and she's the one kind of holding it altogether reaction to mary's unconventional marriage to her former step grandfather. Oh honey that's that's a lot. That's a lot for anyone to right. It's crazy crazy thing. I judge yet. I don't have judgy is like shannon door. Used to have over the judge. I i don't have the judge is dairy does what she wants. What about japan's insistence on wearing open toed stiletto in the snow fiercer. Fashion faux pas. Well i think it's kind of fierce. I have to say and speaking of drag queen right. Speaking of monique's fabulous hit single cold drag queen know a true drag. Queen is only to wear those shoes the snowstorm. It's inspiring all right. Thank you very much. Isaac by the way i should ask. Have you ever been told that you smell like hospital. Well that's the thing you know. I kind of know what she's going through. Because i can't go into a house. I have a really hard time in hospitals because of the smell. Hashtag hospital smell is going on every single one of my instagram posts. From now until i don't even care if it relates to hospitals smells just going hashtag hospital smell on every post. The potomac reunion was so epic it took eleven hours in a large portion of my soul making and since none of us can stand to wait another two weeks to see and it's time for me to play reunion. I have some spoiler questions. Pick your answers from the bobbing heads of your friend group. Carriages al robin ashley. Candice and wendy other than yourself. Who got your vote. For best dressed karen who provided the most comedic relief and myself karen who was full of it. The full of the most be asked the entire day does who requested the most p. breaks throughout the day. Ashley is pregnant. Who significant other. Got the most heated. I gotta say mine. I was gonna ask Who did to challa respond. The best to back stay you. Andy was on the receiving end of karen sharp tongue in shade. The most giselle who arrived the latest robin. Yes she did last. Who brought the best receipts definitely me. That's the binder. She brought a binder guys and there was a person after at she had binder. Clemson is going housewives. Thank you monique. Monique when we shot the potomac reunion. Two major things happened. I got to meet to challah and the most important beef of the season was resolved when to challa met with karen while. I'm glad that those to buried the hatchet. It appears that child is ready to bury his shady claws into the two of you. It's time for the return of shady to challah. High is shady challah challah. While the real to the i'm the real shady berry they allow wound my god. This is major those fisher above them. It's all a zoo over there. Okay let's get the shady challenge questions for the two of you chevy. What's your first question. Mitch housewives he sounds. I foam urban. Doesn't he he sounds yes. He sounds like patti whitcomb doing catholic jeff. I don't know. I mean. I love my house. Let's not gonna ask. I plead the fifth. Okay give another one to challa. What's your answer Definitely weigh in on this because the women have been going after gazelles close. What do you think. I understand why you would go after yourselves. Close i do. But i have to say like from me doing that kind of couture sensibility on a budget is a real feet. You know when when you don't have it you can't right but she somehow manages to together on every woman sort of budget change. That's a big well down. That considered shady on its own shady shady bird here here okay give us another one shady to challa no meek like you rather have just style you for an event or have robin file your taxes shady charlie bird to i would much rather have robin by my taxes because i could still pay it so it's fine last one shave shala okay one. How would you rate lands. Cabaret skills llewellyn. Are you kidding. Me is the mistress of cabaret. I only i only walk in the shadow in the very long shadow of land. Because you know she's tall so she casts a really long shadow. So i give her a ten. Wow that's generous. Thank you both for joining us. Our virtual audience says a few questions for my zoe. What your question for monique. I'm only a my question for. Is you think. Wendy has a right to be upset at ashley for writing statement on your behalf. And what is your current relationship. Like with wendy. I don't think she has a right to be upset about that. I didn't ask ashley to write anything. That was a lie. I just asked her to write about her history as it pertains to candidates in her belligerent. Behavior My current state with wendy as far as a relationship it's nonexistent. We've never really had the opportunity to develop a relationship. So is this okay toni. You're up next with a question. For isaac isaac. Tony good. how are you good. So i can't believe that Gar cell was one of your models back in the days so i was just wondering what it was like to work with her. Then and what you thought of her first season as a real housewife. Okay wait a minute. I don't remember anything about working with garcia. I don't remember anything about booking gar sell. Except she's probably right. If she says i booked her then i did but my mind in those days i was kind of on stuff so i i tend to have forgotten the entire decade of the nineteen ninety s. What were you all and is like seriously darling. Really must tell you what i was on. I was on a few. I read your book. I didn't read about any drugs in your book. Well charlie and i'm trying to be elegant about the fact that i don't remember working with garcia except i love ourself. I love the cat locked for you. She was in she was in. She was how did she do. You let her first season. Do you think amazing amazing amazing. I love the way she looks. I love what she says all the time she just. She's a straight shooter. That's not an easy bunch of ladies to get in with at. She got in and she did her job. She was interesting all the time. Well some of the potomac women are convinced that monique is incapable of remorse. But i want to see if that theory is as fake karen salzer. It's time to play. Do you regret it came monique. I'm going to go through some things that you have done and will you tell me if you regret them or not. The biggest elephant in the room. Do you regret getting physical with kevin's absolutely but i've grown so much sense so if that occurs. Do you regret anything you said or any of your reactions to the women at karen's house when you own that to discuss the fight. No i don't because everything that i said was what i needed to address them. It wasn't about them and they made it about them. Do you regret trolling karen. A little bit with two challa now risk. You regret spending over two hundred k on a live podcast recording. Did you recoup any of the costs. No because that's not what i spent on that one. That was what i've spent over the course of five years on my whole entire business. God do you regret your tense moment with robin and an umbrella. Outside of karen's ladonna discovery phase meeting. I do regret that. Because i thought they purposely. We're coming after me. I didn't know that kicked them out. Until i watched the show so i thought they were trying to gang up on me. Do you regret spreading the story about your cells acts creep it in the park after dark. No because i don't spread rumors spread facts and it was the fact that okay. Thank you very much. We got two regrets oliver folks tonight. Wendy tried to move on from her career in higher education but unfortunately for her. I'm about to give them all the potomac women of full scholarship to mizrahi university. Isaac you're about to give personalized feedback to each of the ladies each of the ladies on their fashion sense. I want to start with karen. Do you have any words for karen. And how she puts herself together in the words of deonna. Three lind if you get the hair right and the shoes right. Everything else kind of falls into place and i think karen really gets the hair the wig right and the shoe all right here like as you go. Rhino chromatic hair and shoe wig. It works okay. What about giselle. Well as you know. I really admire this idea of taking the most with like this kind of i don't know what she i think. In her mind she is dressing on a budget. I just wanna point. Well listen. I think she does appear. I'm going to rephrase it. I think she jessica lynch off sort of interpreting trends alike every single woman. It's very democratic. She looks incredible to me all the time to move on. And okay robin well. I loved the way robin looks robinson. Me looks like really natural. And she looks extremely young. Robin gets how to dress in this easy casual young way. I'm not kidding. She always looks young. Okay speaking of young ashley the youngest woman in the group. Well kansas me. Well here's the thing that's fabulous about ashley like. She looked so different every single time. You see her. You know it's like okay like taryn. Wears a lot of different wigs and she looks slightly different. But ashley literally transforms. She's a chameleon candice. Candice is like the cutest thing to say what you want about politics. Say what you want about like her sort of pot stirring etc but she always looks lawless. And by the way as a dominatrix like i would hire. Okay what about. And that's from a gay guy What about when exactly. Well i love wendy's. I think seriously only because she has like five degrees and she looks like that. Bryce li like that is a lot of work to have all those at smart and she always looks like not just glamorous. She always looks extremely smart. I mean that okay last up how. 'bout monique monique. I mean like to me. Monique is the most classic and the most infamy. She looks like some like young. Joan crawford something all the time she looks so put together like seriously and i honestly like thank god. She has a squad in her bubble. That's all i can say. Because if you're gonna have the bubble right now new hairdresser you need. You need a makeup artist. You need a stylist exterior south but things and not on a budget. Monique kathy from island. Wants to know how you're getting along with your mother-in-law she supporting you over the candidates situation. Yeah we're getting along fine so we do facetime. And whenever chris talks to her and call are we say hello and you know they're. They're still quarantined because they are a little older in age down in virginia where they live so we haven't been able to see them but she's been she's been on my side and she's been fine. Margot see texted isaac. Since you've famously dressed first ladies in the past Do you have any plans or hope to work with dr joe biden. Vp elect common layer. Once they get into yeah. I would love that. I would absolutely love to work with either of those. I admire them and i love them so much. It's going to be a breath of springtime again. In this country day isaac also branded t wants to know take on the backlash of harry styles Wearing the dress on the cover of vogue. Why is there a backlash to that. I think it's lovely. I mean it. I mean what's new about address on guy a Okay be harry styles gorgeous right see. It's a gorgeous photographs. So i'm sorry like don't backlash on me. Please don't tread on me. Don't backlash on me. Hashtag hospital smell. It's time for tonight's this bravo his story okay. Three years ago. I just when you thought it was safe to bring theresa vacher the table. She reacted to some rumors about her marriage. That left her shattered watched. This movie morrison. I just got back from like. I heard that teresa's been rekindling and all its claim an old boyfriend human right now teresa. If it's not gonna true peace that tau suck up up. I did ask. Wow found that compelling this holiday season is going to look different for most but oetzi can help but feel brighter in a world of mass production. I love to shop for gifts. That are truly unique gifts. That i can't find anywhere else from creative handmade pieces to one of a kind vintage to things that are personalized just for the people. I'm gifting them to go to f dot com slash gifts to shop meaningful gifts for the people. You love this holiday season. That's f. e. dot com slash gifts. We are back with monique samuelson. Isaac is rocky. You can see. Isaac a cafe carlyle four park concert series. It's gonna stream on broadway world events. So isaac are you doing the show live from cafe carlyle and it'll be streaming from there or no. They're taped shows and they're kind of put together like Like shows and have guests of a few guests. The i guess to suzanne vega and she's funny and she's gorgeous and it's a really good series. I think you'll love it. It comes from that beautiful room. Everybody's together musicians in every it's really seriously andy. Could you look at it seriously. I will send you a promise to look at it if i send it to. You like broadway. World events tickets available now broadway world events guilt in moline bit mark and wants to know. If you feel like michael's apology to ashley's family for his infidelity was genuine. I think it was. I mean they have a long road ago but ended the day. As long as ashley's fine with it. I mean they're the ones that's married. So isaac matthew are set in your senior year of high school. You spent a good deal of time at studio fifty four. What was the biggest star you bumped elbows with. Oh my gosh. I mean you name it darling you name. It was their. Liza was there. That's before i knew her. You know andy warhol was there. Truman capote was there halston. I mean literally and it was honestly you could. You couldn't turn around. Without falling over. Bianca jagger was fabulous. Lp bills fan wants to ask you. Isaac about rosa repeatedly mispronouncing your name on the apprentice. Did you get a wallet by that on purpose her. No she's a reality star. So i guess she was trying to make some kind of a story for herself. But i mean that whole booking was so annoying. I remember that i was like a yankees game and my manager was like oh we have to go. You're booked on. The apprentice was so mad because i mean donald trump or whatever i mean really and then i showed up and there was omarosa pronouncing. My name really am rosa and now. She's like the head of cattle. She had she's a she's the secretary of state or something right when it wants to know why it was okay for ashley to bring cherise around the group for not but not for candidates to bring peace i know that ashley cherise frizz and ashley actually caught a gave me a heads up but on the other hand kansas who were supposed to be these like good friends. I never even knew that they were cool. She never ever brought to my attention knowing the issues that i had with cherise and she can be friends with whomever she wants. It was just a matter of giving me a heads up. So i can be mentally. Prepared is a greg said. You said you made clothes for a retha. Franklin in a dreamlike. What was it like designing for her. I don't know that i've ever talked to you about this. Well the thing was it was a letter. The came in the mail right with some measurements. Because she didn't like flying so she didn't. I never met her. But i made these met address or made for her. And all i'll say is. That was the longest bus start. I have ever known in my entire life. That was like a twenty star okay. She has a major sheds. A major major endowments god endowed that lady with an amazing voice and some major titties. That's all i'll tell you. She was fabulous. Where did she did you end by the way. Did you ever see the gown on her. I think so. I mean again it was a blur and so many gowns. We're going on so many different people. And i'm sure i saw photographs and dulled and went mad and i forgot seriously all right. Well you can see. Monique samuels on the real housewives of potomac and isaac at cafe carlyle for four weeks go to broadway world events for tickets. Thank you so much both of you. That was super super fun. Guys thanks for listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. New episodes go live monday through friday at four. Pm eastern time. Make sure your subscribe to have a great rest of your night.

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Tom Ford

Vogue Podcast

38:01 min | 4 years ago

Tom Ford

"Taste. Hello. My name is Andre Leon Talley, the host of oak spot cats and today, I am thrilled to have my dear friend, the legendary. And I caught it Mr. Tom Ford on the phone with me from Los Angeles talking about his latest film nocturnal animals, Tom. Thank you for calling it at tedium, but the boarding power. You. I'm in Los Angeles living you the school year. Oh, because your son is going to preschool in Los Angeles is oh, that's great. I needed a year of sun after seventeen years in England. But I'm going to London on. So in London now he can spec today. So good, we take we take turns towards well. That's lovely. So I'm cutting right to the chase girls questions. How did you? Find these incredible women that opened the scene. Those incredible women doing those extraordinary dances in a nude in costumes sort of epaulettes. Imple- casting call. I had a wonderful wonderful background casting. You know, it's not called extra casting anymore. It's called background casting. And I described exactly what I wanted. And I met the most incredible women in those women were so joyful, and so happy and so- Terrific's. It's interesting that hold part of the film because I started it by think do you want me to tell you about it. Yes. Please. Please. I started it because all of the art in the film was created by artist to very very well known who gave us permission to use their work. I hate movies about art where the artists fake, and it has no soul, and it doesn't feel like anything. But that particular piece to open the film that supposedly in Susan's gallery, I had to create so decided to put myself inside the head of fictitious artist that created enough lived in Europe for the last twenty seven years. So I thought okay, I'm a European, and I'm creating a work that says to me what America. Is. And when you think or when you're opinions often think of America, they think of our faucet in her red swimsuit with a perfect teeth and our big care, or they think of Baywatch, I think of sexy, they think of these tanned beautiful people. Okay. We'll the European perspective of America right now. What's happening America might be aging saggy over fed? Oh, good rich too, much and. And that's one of those women are wearing bits and pieces of Americana. However, once I shot them, I fell in love with these women, I found them so beautiful so joyful, so comfortable because what they've done is. They've all of them have let go of what society thinks they should be. And they're very happy with themselves. They looked so happy and in a way that exact opposite of Susan the character miserable. But trying so hard what she thinks society is supposed to be. So it actually sets the film up because those women are liberated in a sense. And I found the very beautiful. So it was a it was interesting. The development of even my own perspective of beauty as as shot that in as I edited it, you know, as you say the main characters eating a a leaf of lettuce for lunch. But these characters these dances in bits of. America and full on nudity. Have let go to the point of excessive that silhouettes almost. And I don't mean it's a very cruel fat shaming way their elephant chine. I thought it was beautiful. They're beautiful Jenny Saville painting. You know, they're just beautiful beautiful the different, you know. It's funny. It challenges our notions of beauty, and we we have to realize that our our notions of beauty or are something that our culture, you know, we're conditioned to think things are beautiful. But if we look things around us that we think maybe are not so beautiful that I can become incredibly beautiful and those women that their souls were beautiful, and I had so much fun shooting that because I was on the other side of the camera dancing for them. I was just saying copy me and some of them hadn't seen goriest once and in. In Sunset Boulevard. But at the end, I said, okay, I want your I'm ready for close up Mr. demille, and I sort of acted that out for them while we were shooting, and they were on the other side of the camera doing the same thing. It was so much fun. We are here with Tom for talking about his latest fill his second Phil turtle animals, which I think was greatly received. A film festival was not was it. Facing the jury won the grand jury prize. So we have that to look forward to in America. I think you kinda conveyed this absurd beauty because it's a kind of you that people do sometimes comfortable looking at was very very briefly done. Now. Let me ask you do you find do your direct women differently than you direct men? I don't at all. I think that I'm I'm good with actors. I think I understand the process. I think that with great actors you need to give them space to perform. They all want to give you the best performance they can possibly do. And I think I'm very good with actors, but I direct men in the same way that I direct women and I care about the beauty in both. I'm old fashioned believe movie stars should be more beautiful than everyone else. I think that you know, we have enough reality. So enhanced reality is is like, and I'm actually learning about my own style. Now that I have to films to look at and realizing. Oh, yeah. This is my style's filmmaker because. Do it in. What are you know, you do things intuitively? Sometimes if someone says, what is your style? You don't know what it is? Because you just react intuitively. Now, I can look at the two films and see certain similarities and choices I made. And I realize I actually like things that are quite framed or set up or you know, -ality I love how you used the polish stainless steel recessed gate to your whole as a. I have a memory. I have a great memory driving my car by. I pull up to that gate. It does that. And I put my hand because it just blinds me. But you know, when you're writing a screenplay or you're writing anything, you take bits and pieces of your own life. I mean, so much of that you, you know, and then I ran upstairs, and I thought okay, that's a great way to open. It around stairs. I wrote that down to her stainless steel gate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and bits and pieces of your own life work their way into all the characters and into the store. This is a great segue. Do you start with a full on storyboards from beginning to end? Organic because because the two films that I've made I've written myself. I write them in story board. Meaning I'm visualizing the shot as I'm writing. And I even write it into the script. You know, our camera pushes in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm writing it as I go. Then what I do is. I sit down with the the DP on the film, and I go shot by shot and we make shot list. So I don't actually have to draw it up. The only thing that we did have drawn up. Now, by the way, it's all done on computer was the chase scene because quite technical to get the stunt men to be in the cars at the right place into crash here and to do that and figure out our cameras, and whether we were swinging the cameras off of a side arm, whether we you know, how we were gonna shoot it and that had to be story boarded, but the rest of it. I I and then when you get onset you also have to keep an open mind because you have to look through that lens. And. Yep. Say okay. This is not a good shot. We that's moved the camera where we're going to put it. How are we going to do it? So you have to keep the pressure. I while you shooting. Yes. I felt that. Had I felt fear in the great chase scene with two cars crashing into each other with the family, and I really edge of my seat. I notice what you wanted to convey. And what he's trying to convey is because of course, the inner story is his message to her saying, this is what you did to me. This is how you made me feel so that visceral feeling of loss, and and fear and upset and devastation is what she clearly made him hill. Like when she left him. That's what he's trying to say to her. This is how you made me feel so yes fear is is part of it at the beginning. But it also just loss and disbelief disbelief in this dog dog Texas highway, you know, the stock middle of the line. This median line yellow line in the middle of the way and the doctor's not going not knowing where they're going with end up. They don't know where they will end up. The you don't know what they're gonna die raped choke give it away. This story, by the way, remember fictitious story written by him. And then it is being we're seeing it to her is. So it is not necessarily to always meant to always be completely real it isn't melodrama factors shot where she walks into her hallway, and she looks at a beautiful photograph that hangs in my house by an artist Richard MS wreck, and it's one man pointing gun at the other and they're in a field of dried grass, so when she magin his death. It's the exact same field replicated it and he dies. There are lots of little things like that if you detail carefully that, you know, her her perspective of it is what we're really seeing. So was the actual highway in Texas was it in Los Angeles outside of Los Angeles. We shot everything in California healthily. But you know, it does have the sense of the dry arid landscapes of Texas where you grew up. You know, does it's it actually looks just like in part of of California. Where we shot. Remember, California is a desert. It's just that Los Angeles tests are it's just been watered for a hundred years. Well, I think that that was very brilliant moment with the cars just going down the road. And then he ends up in a desert and the next one he wakes up at it. Does it he's running away from the the Salem and all of that, it's brilliant? Now, let me ask you the actor who sits the new on the front porch make it with Aaron Keller Johnson who is a big tackler. Actor Coursey is Tom. Yeah. But you know, some actors you cast and and some actors exceed your expectations, and he just exceeded my expectations. He was brilliant onset. He was terrific was the direct very very easy because he was incredibly professional incredibly serious. He's a friend. He's married to Sam Taylor Johnson. Who's been a friend for twenty years, and I was a little hesitant to cast of friends, but have to say he was he was incredible to give anything away. But was he eases to direct in that scene where you had to have? Absolutely. He was completely ready prepared hook you. Hook you. We hear talking to Tom Ford. Conic film director got the jury price of Venice film festival and a great designer. So Tom about films who do you think is one of the greatest inspiration in terms of your work? One of the great directors that you love well in terms of a film like this. I have to say offered cock Q break clockwork, orange, Brian depalma who also liked very sort of slick polish artifice. Yes. But that's the show. I would have to say one of my favorite all time. Directors would be George Cooper. And I know you're working up to a question of my favorite film. Mater now. Well, that's a hard one. I had to really think about that. Because I like so many films. It's almost I mean, it is impossible to say what you fill but one that is one of my favorites. Impossibly my favorite is a film called dinner date from nineteen thirty three Q. And the thing that I love about it is that it is so modern it is absolutely completely modern. It has not dated at all. Except of course in today's world except for people some people on. You know, people don't talk quite that way, any more most people don't have such elegant dinner parties. But the things that are happening the young daughter who's having the affair with eighty. Himself in the middle of the film. And you know, it's a comedy drama. That's and it doesn't necessarily have a happy ending it just stops. They go into dinner. That's very modern everything, you know. I think in that period. It was rare that you didn't tie up with a neat little bow that you had laughs, you had tears. You had that's life. Life is happy. It's sad. It's up. It's down it only stops where we stop the story in a happy ending is only if you stop the story at a happy moment because VO costumes of Jean Harlow in film. Well, she's wonderful. She was an incredible actor. Twenty seven. Good, Lionel Barrymore, John Barrymore, Billie Burke. Is that incredible lady Louis Tressler? It's her name the la- redress. I mean the gestures in face of her face only, which is amazing. It's incredible. I after say I watched that movie probably once a month. A lot of old movies. Like that. I watched the women I think I was. Watching hundreds of death, George George gluco with the great great. Great. Great. Great. And he was especially great with women. Yes. No. Do you like Antonioni? I love it. On course. Of course. And I mean Antonio incredible blowups incredible movie. Wonderful, but Tony was great Europeans. It's interesting. Because of course, for example, spender, I mean built, you know, Bill collections around fos. Don dark to documents, but visually quite incredible. And I it's funny because occasionally I run into people in Los Angeles who say, oh, my God, you know, I was talking to so and so's in the fashion business, and they know so much about film, and I explained, of course, we know about fellers because we're inspired and every season we have to new collection, and we have such a sense of film history because visually we've gone over all these films in at some point. They've inspired our collections walls are distilled with images of fell. Yes. Yes. I think we probably have a greater understanding film and film history than most people realize realize, no one of my favorite films is a sweet bird of youth Geraldine page. There is no other leading page in those or Kelly dresses as prince's cost plus the broken down. Actress about to have a comeback though. She has a comeback is that what favorite sweet bird of you. It's a very good film say it's one of your favorite. It's my face. Do you like it's just not one of the ones I just watch over Jobe page as a basic. As an actress navy as toys attic, I mean, Jodi page and Wendy, Hiller toys, an addict Dean, Martin just amazing Tennessee sort of film. I think I'm not sure. Toys in the attic. Things happen in that field. Like the way things happening tonal animals thinking about I'll have to rewatch toys, please. We watch toys attic, it's very very beautiful film extraordinary film. Now, we like we like to do love you. Let me ask you, do you. Absolutely love the seventies. Is this your favorite period for everything? You know? I think that well first of all, yes. Chinatowns great movie too. By the way, we're talking about. That is true. That is true. Amazing. Amazing amazing. But I think that everyone is a victim is the wrong thing, but heavily influenced by the era in which they grew up, and they I discovered beauty or music or art, and I was born more sex or sex. But I was born in the early sixties. I grew up in the seventies. So for me that era, I think, you know, it's kind of permanently imprinted in my heart. Dr let's say and by the way, the seventies were very much all about the thirties. Thanks to our friend, Mr Solana that. Very good. This seventies were about the thirties. And by the way, if I grew up in the nineteen thirties. So he entered our money that thirties and the forties, which are also very much about their work. Alway Nikola scares always going to be about the eighties. So I think people are very much influenced by their period. If I were to choose a period out of you know, any period, I could live in I would have chosen thirties, which for me is one of the most beautiful elegant periods ever. And so many citing things happen. I mean, I love where we are. Now, very happy living today's world if I were going to pick another period other than medical care because of course, if you got sick, then you just dot. Harlow like the manners like the politeness like the clothes. I like still there's a leftover formality from the previous century. But it's modern we have cars we have planes. We have telephones sleek cars, you have sleek apartments you have hit. Happening with design and architecture, you know, twenties becoming modern and machine age. And so I think was a beautiful beautiful period. At least looking back at it. But you did not have fifty four in the thirties. No. And I don't think people's teeth. Probably looked as good as they do today. Well, we hear what's hope for change the lanes of bit and go into faster it would aids you realize that you wanted to be was going to be a great faster designer. What did you realize? Thank you for the word grave. Yes. Great great. I didn't honestly realize that. This sounds very silly. And this is a little bit of a silly story. I was studying architecture Parsons, and it was probably nineteen eighty four eighty five and I had gone on a trip oddly to Moscow, and I think we might have even been in Leningrad, which was then called it was called grad now called Saint Peter's. And I I gotten sick on something, which is very rare, and I stayed in that night, and I had been quite depressed because I was close to graduating degree in undergraduate architecture, and it just didn't feel right. And I realized that I always tried to work some sort of fashion into my projects that I would take more care dressing, the people in the models of the house. I was in designing that house, and I just all of a sudden it was literally like piffle, and I thought well, of course, I should be fashion designer I absolutely should be a fashion designer. It was a terrific revelation. So you know, I don't like to be second best. So I started down that path and determined to succeed did succeed, and you are succeeding. Now was your projects a success to season with show now by now by Foale? I noted all stores have the fall clothes in the windows has it works which day. Marshal's standpoint is absolutely worked. We saw spike in sales, which has continued. And so I plan on continuing to do it. I think, you know, the reaction I think in New York in the room and reviews were were were strong. What's interesting about it? I had one reviewer who was very positive first of all almost all of them were positive, but very positive. But then she said perhaps the clothes were a bit tame for Ford. Now, what's going to happen is close are going to become more tame, they are going to go back to an era when women sat in the audience and imagine no I want that I want to order that. No, I can wear that. Because you no longer designing aditorial because there is no at a total for the customer, and you want them to go into the store and buy. So the close work, I think very much me or what become known for my taste. But yes, they were wearable clothes that. The woman in that audience. I wanted them to say I would look good in that I want that. I'm going to go by that. And it's very different because often when you're putting together a collection you say, oh, we've only might sell three or four this. But it's gonna look great on the pages of hope because it's colorful pop off the page, and it's going to work with, you know, they're shooting for bohemian, whatever whatever you thinking about aditorial at the same time when you're designing season out. Whereas when you designing for the season where people are going to see it and buy it or even click and buy it thinking about sales. You felt very good you show that night in New York in September in the four seasons. You felt very good about the success of the whole thing. The way. Good looks windows in Los Angeles. I see the windows medicine avenue. But I did see them in Los Angeles in LA. They looked great. But I particularly love the boots. I love a person that makes a provocation of shoe and you're wearing a boot. And really it's kind of absurd thing to have the he'll out exposing the boot on shades, Shanghai, it prosciutto what inspired that great boot. That was shown. Well, we pur- star spur started working on all those belt, and I had those belt flying around. And I was struggling struggling struggling God. What is the shoe? What is she what is the shoot? Which is for me one of the most important, that's every collection. And I always love that. He'll did that Hillary death Ford for a love that. He'll so I actually pulled out a shoot that I had done my own company about five years ago. And I just took all those belts relying around just wrap them around and strapped it up and cut them up and down and put it on the model's leg at first I had to put her foot in a leather glove because I didn't have the rest of the things so cut the glove off. An old long evening glove lying in the in the sample room, and slip that down in piece it all together with bunch of tape and thought, okay. This is great love this and took pictures and send it to the factory, and and send someone to the factory to put it together and bring it back, and that's how I ended up without shape. So tall for giving us a great process. A secretive process of a boot designed glove tape at boot tape and a leather glove. I think you have to you have to do on the foot. You have to do it on the girl you have to do it with the clothes. You just picked things up you cut them. Sometimes I look around my office. Like right in front of me is sitting, you know, a pen holder made it of dark abalone, and you know, that could turn into a shoe heel. If i'm. Yeah. You can turn into evening clutch or something it could absolutely turn into an evening class. Yes. Just look around and keep your eyes. That's beautiful Tom you had the most beautiful black coat for. And it had gold us reminded me of the diamond dust paintings of Mr. hall in your home cheer her once in LA, but I really have those diamond dust paintings of two. Yeah. And so was printed with gold actual goal. So it was a coat and then printed with gold. Well, I actually thought that it was goal us to speak on it looks like it was shimmering on there. On over printed. They just put the for down, and they just overprint with gold gold just printed on the for. Wow. So let me ask you when you have these wonderful fashion shows the presentations, you always fall back on superstars from the past. Carolyn Murphy, Qadhafi, all of these girls. I mean, had the most beautiful top minerals and defer the skirt was slim pencil skirt that looked like it had ostrich and sparkle the minerals top sparkle the contrast, and then calorific comes on this gorgeous black, no Valetta, gorgeous black velvet velvet. Yes. With the big. Big rapper jewels attached to the bag right now. Why did you feel that these girls are still very viable incredible today on the runway lia's younger than the other two? But these women are in their forties. They have children I left that. I love an adult woman. And I'm not gonna say that. I don't love really beautiful twenty year old. Of course, they are physical perfection their brand new the fresh. They're like a beautiful young pony. There's a beauty to you. I think all of us are no matter what. But I also love an adult. There's something different that happens with all that experience in the way, you carry yourself the way you walk. And you know, I think adults are great on the runway is very read. We see the very rare that we see adults who very well your show I show. I I show beyond say, Lauren Hutton Marley. Berenson these are women who by the way have taken care of themselves. Who are still you know in great shape. They also have great minds. They're doing things. It's I think that's exciting. When you see, you know, woman of of any age who's who's caught with one of your best sales. Will you ever have like the first show in your medicine evidence stalk where you announced the the models and you had everybody be from build say. To learn Hutton to lease is two bottles of that moment. Who Leah who were the great man Lia had actually a quite a lot of up and coming young girl girl to that. But you had the great mix of the great the great superstars. Oh, yes. Super horses, the superheroes. You will have. I'm sure will at some point point. Okay. No. I I believe in kind of feeling the season and changing a little bit each season. Based on what kind of mood were all in culturally, and what kind of mood we are in in fashion. And whether we're tired of certain things or so Cal probably show and quite a few different ways. We in the mood for Tom Ford today Vokes podcast. We're happy to have rare for him to sit down for talk a conversation. Like this Mr. Tom I'd like to ask you one question. What do you think? The worst thing it fascinates today, decorated nails nudity. The worst thing is when you see, unfortunately, quite insecure people completely decked out in a look from the runway head to toe because you can't see any of their own character or personality coming through. And it actually usually makes me sad because I feel I want to go over and talk to those people make sure they're okay because they don't have a strong sense of identity in their insecure. Not that makes me sad. What makes me excited as when I see a piece of my clothing, strong, powerful potent piece, that's put together by a woman or man who you know, has a good sense of self, and they really take that and make it their own. That's a little sad to me about fashion today. What is your favorite accomplice fast collection? Either it's Gucci Tom for it. Or what is your favorite piece that you've ever designed can you quickly after say the seller on Chinese collection that I did right at the end of my. Show seller. Still those pieces are to me incredibly beautiful the one that I did that impacted fashion and my career the most was a show that I did I think in nineteen ninety five or six with white dresses at Gucci Gucci. And the first one with velvet, hip huggers was strong in that one launched my career. But the one that was my favorite from that period where these beautiful long, simple, white dresses, cutouts and and metal on a hip, and I'm still playing with that. I did you know something's not at all similar. But yet you could tell by the same person in this collection. You know, you get to give the world you taste once. Yes. Once you give the world, you taste? It's there, and you continue working on that developing that, but but that is your taste, and I gave the world might taste in the nineties, and it hasn't changed. It's transformed as we were now living. But it's involved in our, you know, the person dress has evolved in its maybe in some ways grown up a bit. But you know, you give the world who taste once it's product. I love each I love, you know, any pick any designer that has a strong point of view their work. And you see a continuous theme hand, you know, that it's the same person designed. Yes, now, I do remember that Chinese clicks seller on what am I friends bought? An extraordinary still souls coat in leopard that was saved almost it had a Goethe shape. Do you remember that of course, a leopard coat? It was very expensive at Neiman, Marcus. But expensive now too. I just paid ninety thousand dollars for one of those dresses because I'm in the process of building. Yeah. My own archives. And so I'm buying clothes back. It's. Very explicit very worth it. Now. What advice would you give to an intern of do you have in terms? What is the best vice give to a young caught work hard? Do whatever it takes sweep the floor pick up pins. Never say, no bequeath ba- fast. You not gonna just jump in designing a collection. You've got to be around. It. You've got to pick up. You. Gotta learn I think people have lost that a little bit today. They expect to come in out of school and go right to the top. And that's not what it's like, you know, I hear that. Sometimes complaining, oh, I'm going out to get his lunch and doing this on doing that not even necessarily about me, maybe someone else in the studio, and, you know, say look my job, I got lunch, and I babysit dogs though. We can't that's just life. So get over it. No, you have to work hard work, hard, work hard. So that we have way to take away is Tom Ford's this work hard to young interns. Now, would you live to pilot own plane, John Travolta, no, I don't want my own plane. I didn't want my plane. I think. You can rent a plane if you need a plane, but there's an old adage that you should always rent Inaba. Floats. One of those rules, but the other two I'm going to continue to the phone wonderful wonderful now, listen what I'm going to say what where do you feel Fania? No, not disasters. No, snakes, spiders will. I don't like snakes very much, but we have wonderful make wonderful. Knicks usually just shoot them. Shoot them. What do you do? Tail off and Richard keeps a bowl on his desk where we throw all the rattlesnake tales. Oh, lovely. That's very unique with Tom for a game revealing wonderful things mostly. I'm I'm very much. Yes, important thing is when you shoot them you've got to remember to put on your blouses because you know, shooting them with a shotgun. In the gravel flies back in your face. Glasses on get you're gonna go out and shoot realm. But it's not a reality. I just have a cousin North Carolina who tells me his tractor and shoots to the copperheads. He takes a gun and shoots. But I. Prisoners. You don't want them around the house rattlesnakes? But I don't want them around, of course. But then I say what do you do after what he says? I just pick them up and drove over the woods dead. You know, a bird elite. No, right. Okay. Going to waste. All right now. What did you do in your last birthday? What what was your last birthday? Like birthday was in Los Angeles, August twenty seven I don't love birthday. So I stayed home with Richard jock my mother. My sister came over. We all Keiko is very quiet family celebration. Good good good. Good Twitter, by the way. My mother lives in Los Angeles. Wonderful and my sister. That's great. So you have a family. That's really cool. I do jackets to see these few said. So he yeah. We have a good family disciplined person. I'd so admire that, so what do you eat for breakfast and lunch for breakfast this morning? I had some raisin brand. But I got up to thirty. I worked out. I just get on a treadmill usually stretching exercise than I had some raising Brown and a gigantic coffee to Beth got Jack up drinking gigantic iced coffee right now for lunch. Sushi pretty much every day for dinner, officiant vegetables, and some sort. And in between that by the way. I'll eat a doughnut or two or. A couple of cheap candy bars. Absolutely. Create based diet, but then a little bit of Joe. Okay. We're gonna go to Woodward's, and you try to answer it when word if you can't. Oh my God. One word is really hard for me to talk. All right glamour. It's funny. Somebody asked me about that word one word. So I'll have to come back to that the other day, and it's worth that. I don't use very much. So I'll just say, gene, Tierney sexy. Oh, that's a hard one. Do these in one word a sentence? A sentence. Sexy. No someone who's comfortable with themselves. Good good Jagua, the animal, not the car. But that e type from the sixties one of those beautiful cars ever can't. We talk about that. Instead. Yes. Yes. Okay. Talk about that a black Jaguar you like the most beautiful cars, ever invented. It's so damned tiny though. And of course, the mechanics aren't what they are today. But it's so beautiful. Okay. I think it has to be actually my favorite car at the entire world seats, cotton linen. I don't like Lenin sheets. They they make your elbows red, scratchy. I don't understand Lennon sheets at all. Okay. Elephants. Something I just think about all the time on day. I have no idea L offense. I don't think about Alvis. There's a story. I reject about a purple elephant. I guess maybe that's the purple elephant ball the story above other Fritz? Well, there is that story about purple elephant come to stay vulgar. Vulgarity? Wow. Arrogance. I think is great. That's great tightness as time. This the strangest from Tennessee kindness is something we all should have. And something I always try to have. I think empathy is is kindness for me. I mean, you have to empathize with people to be truly kind Betty true. Sheikh love. Thin longed. What were just giving us through? I love Betty ca true. That's hard hard breath. Hard that is brilliant golf goal. Golfo eight used to have such good clothes. When I was young. And then I was going to play golf again about ten years ago. And I went out to buy, you know, new golf shoes and everything I was just was appalled at what all looks like now. Yeah. Golf while golfing? A while. I think it's a great sport, actually, especially good older because you can walk. You can talk and think I mean when I was young I used to walk talk thinking drink, but now I don't drink anymore. Bianca Jagger, white and suit Beja marvelous. Marvelous buoy bays soup. Boulia is, yuck. I hate to rebrand the great tooth polish. Jeff koons. Balloon dog. Thank you lovely. That was a wonderful wonderful. This is fascinating with Tom for it. And it's the most fascinating conversation of having a longtime invokes podcast. I'm realtime that you call today. Thank you so much a few final questions, yet dream fashion or do you dream scenes? Do you dream fashion end things? Do you go to? I often just have nightmares. Hits hits sort of you know, because even when it's something insignificant in my dreams they turned into nightmares. Now, my last question is, and I thank you for this wonderful conversation. What do you hope for your son, Jack when he becomes eighteen? That I just Mabel to help him fulfill his destiny, I have no preconceived notion as to what Jack should be do. We all have our undetonated, and I certainly don't want to live vicariously through him. So as all I hope is that he's happy and that he is fulfilling his destiny, whatever that destiny might be is he taking lessons as ease for. And of course, now, he swims and he plays tennis and the play soccer, and he's very sporty. And yeah, he takes our class and a little French class and teach all this things at school. And it's it's good. So what is the rest of your day? Like, what are you gonna do day to day on a Friday? Don't worry. I have plenty of work to do. I talking to you is like talking to George Kuku. I would've imagined that. I would have a conversation with Mr. George Kuka. It would run like this. I thank you for the beautiful work. You do always. And it's a great privilege and president talk to you for vote podcasts. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day, Tom. Thanks caller. Okay. Bye. Bye. The vote podcast is for Duchesne of vogue magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagaa Hammadi, and he'll be Couric sound engineering by David Lauren's and hosted by me.

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Chris Rock Interview

"Don't we're now recording. So Watch you watch everything like the daily show last night. When you said we were doing drugs. Know. Chris rock is here everybody. Yeah. He he he's spoken of on this podcast often. Finally finally, finally, he's the shadow executives of this shadow. Never will hear it but you know you you. We both play a large role in one another's lives over the phone. Now, he's going to deny it. and. And it's nice to be here. You appreciate y'all coming to my home. Rental. Home you. Sny California. As I work on Machiavelli. As I work on my new Elvis and you're doing press for Fargo season for and also you're learning disabilities wasn't really You know things come out Neil. I, public me. I'm just and it's easier than apologize to a lot of people individually. says. Over the airwaves yeah. Okay. I guess I. that it was very satisfying for me for you to have a learning disability because. Careful careful. Satisfying for me because. We would argue about your. Are Different styles. Basically I feel like I made you less cynical and you made me more cynical. Meaning I have that effect on people? On, the world and somebody that affect people. and. I would argue that I made you slightly I made you realize that there is. Value. To feelings. Never. Value. Bill. Maybe. There's value to my feelings others value to there's like your sort of gruff old exterior. A. Always like, okay, I'm the head of the family, right? Right. So you know me and my kids and sometimes on the boss at work more times than not so. My feelings don't matter the overall Pantheon of moving things forward. Know. We can't slow down for my fearless. Would you say that you've found out that you kind of need to though I need to slow down individually? Yes but I will never inflict my feelings on others. But. I do you. You inflicted your feelings on others by not. Your feelings. So then I bet the next time you run a thing or you run a inaugural, say you'll be your management style will be different than it was would've been five years ago probably probably a little bit from being. Offers. Now. I mean. It's a weird a bunch of jobs. I, won't even take just because. Just, producing things and directing things because some of them. especially like. Like a nightly show or Certain things this required into an urgency. Yeah and sometimes you have to raise your voice when things get urgent. Raising voices against the law now. So, I will not take the job. I'll politely passing them. Okay. Yeah And then you got to assess what's piece of talent you're working with. So some people don't need to be pushed. You know Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat does not need to be pushed. Yeah. But tally here all might need a foot in his ass. Well. That's the thing but Riley is he's apparently like a real hard like and practice I didn't realize there's a Lakers book. Called Showtime about the Lakers and he would practice the fuck out of them which I didn't know that. Well, he saw the Miami Heat or the. Pat Rallies teams are always the best condition teams in the League. They very rare. Those guys get tired. They. Are Fat or I shack was fat. They're like track stars. Shack was. He. He can have a doughnut but the recipe. That to get this salad. and. That's exactly that's how you like my pet. Para. Okay, I would say now I WANNA play a game because we don't game the game is going to be called this Bianca it's going to be true or false. Bianca's training. Bianca did Bianca Jagger. The. The WE'RE GONNA. Try to guess what it's a Chris rock believe it or not true false whatever have you. We're GONNA. Start with. I'm doing three Mike's live in New York City. Chris. Rock would call me almost every day and say what Bianca. Philip the blank is. What say, what do you think he would say to somebody doing something best one person show. Okay. Something negative get rid of one of those mics. Which is stay in the Mike area. That was a good note, but he would call me. And go don't kill yourself. Why Don't kill yourself now I know that he's a grizzle detective. His Way. I really didn't want to kill you. Know obviously, this is a man who was thought about. Hey. So what do you say? Yeah, guide it's obviously well, you say Alon thought. What Nora Hayman, how you doing, but you bring a griswold to Texas I, just get to the point. Yes. They're all bullshit. They don't really trying to say is don't kill you don't kill yourself. Great. I. Just wanted to get that at least. In all those people got together. They would also did anybody tell them not to kill the? One I feel good. I'm GonNa go have conscience. You sit here and cry I know I told them not to kill himself. Joke with. Our friend. Which Chris's love language is open hostility. some people, give gifts, some people, words of encouragement. Chris Rock Open Yeah. That was a joke that when I told you, I, felt like I. Agree I thought it was just biting humor. Yeah. No, it is. It was biting you but it was there some truth to it I'm. GonNa say. Bianca Chris's aunt had a cat. Was that Cat's name filling the blank cat, my aunt's key so he doesn't have to say it my aunt's cat's name was nigger. Har. This is also the on who who said. It. Also, the that said a broke man is like a broken hand can't do nothing with. US. Close with his aunt. She still around ashes should that while back which he for the cat? Yes she would. She would call. I. Would you almost come before you remember the? Look I gotTa make that. Legally. Funny Okay now. What now in at Chris's School in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, this is the first year. But you you're in the first year of busing was busted say okay I'm born and sixty, five on seventy five. Ten see how long it took me. That that learning disabilities. Literally to count it. Some seventy, five ten so I would say in. The morning sixty five. Dr King's ally. Yes. That's the thing of how how much like the Voting Rights Act the Voting Rights Act doesn't have until sixty eight. So I'm born my parents can't vote. I mean they can but it's It's they're gonNA get like as you point out a few weeks ago going to get probably fucked up. Yeah. Polls, they're going to get to ask him. What's important about that is not that Martin Luther King. Was So long ago it said it was so recent yet you're so old that that wasn't that long ago. No. Yeah He is. His parents you're the oldest I'm the oldest of my mother's kids. Yeah. So could not could not vote. We did vote the first year. I had no idea. I have no. No, they didn't make it eventually voted but yeah. Fantastic. Okay. Now, Chris Boston, the one of the first years of busing. Now. So I'm the seventy, three, seventy, two, seventy, seventy, two, seventy, three when the black kit there. How many like ten percent of the school was blind will no, no, no, no, no. No, it was me for my ps two, seventy seven was me and three girls three black girls out of. The school eight, hundred thousand. Yes. Four kids out of it. So we you would get at when the bell would ring. Everyone, would you? Grade School was. Grade. School. Like my first days of grade school. I remember like you know like parents outside with like signs. No busing. Go home whatever right. That was grade school. And it was hostile and kids would call nigger and spit on you throw back regular stuff bags of Shit and Piss at you for the holidays but. Holidays he'll. Teachers would call your monkey or whatever. That's the storm trying to get teachers say Wayne these. Going somewhere. Tell you, shits. The janitors rang at three in highschool or lay one time one time or a couple of times I remember. We used to get out like they would let us out at two forty five and let the black kids out early so they. beat. Up. Kind of like get that over with because you don't WanNa just. Easier to watch you. So we get out at two, forty, seventeen, hundred. Yeah, and that was. One of my teachers I time let the animals for some time to let the animals free. And then the janitor said something you said a Something ages is. Just. Everyone's against you is. It wasn't even me. It was like you in for the people. It was just whatever just against black people. Yeah. I was just sort didn't probably didn't. Insane. And you don't have you in therapy and all the shit you don't are you acknowledging that how crazy this I? It's weird. I've always been able to tell jokes about it. But yeah. Now in therapy a M- allowed to. Experience it as trauma. Yeah. You can say and not feel like a bitch feel like now I like a bitch and yeah. I'm I'm a alive I should. That's a fine thing to acknowledge that happened sufficing knowledge and it's also You know the thing about trauma is when you when you experienced trauma, it's not that you. It's basically whenever you think about it. You think about it could happening for the first time your body doesn't know when it doesn't of its present passer viewed right so yeah, therapies allowed me to put it in the past. Therapies allowed me to go. Okay I'm probably not going to get jumped today. Yeah, which is hard which it took me a long time to like. You've now having said that you were getting jumped later into your career than I remember. I got shit. I got robbed Lesson I. Got Rob Lowe was like the first week I was on SNL. A. Laugh on dekalb avenue. I was walking up dekalb avenue in guys punched me in a face until the AVI. And I mean big deal. I lived in Brooklyn. I lived in Brooklyn before it was hit I mean I lived I was born I was. Born in South Carolina raised in Brooklyn but I never moved Manhattan when I did because I knew I couldn't get a cab. Bright. So I had to have a car it costs whatever three hundred dollars a month to park. Corvette mad in Manhattan you need a permit or something right? So yeah. It cost to park a car in Manhattan. So I gotta live in Brooklyn. Because I, didn't want like Farley to have to give me a cab every day is it known that would have been? Funny Yeah. It's still known nowadays, but now I'm kind of an old man. So it's not like in the late leave lanes early early. Nice. I was twenty whatever but I look a lot younger yet nobody no stop. Pre, Uber, Free Yeah. It was whatever it's not. I'm not. No, it's just I'm not gonNA. Sit here and act like just like how late you got robbed Yeah didn't you have a black? Essono cast. Bodo does a lot of makeup on no. Of Black Guy. This black light picture. So it's hard to tell but my makeup so thick. fucking blackout. You think do you think Phil Hartmann or Kevin Nealon had the same problem? No. No. Maybe Phil Hartmann it had more problems. Yes. Turns out. It turns out it turns out Phil was living far more danger explain to Bianca the What happened to the McDonalds in your neighborhood because I have a hard time explaining this to people in a believable. Poor neighborhood. My neighbor was so poor that are McDonalds, went out of business. McDonald's on Broadway and I believe Kosciusko around there was literally they might have opened it back up since then but. Yeah like literally McDonald's boarded up like they couldn't Meghan word. They couldn't compete with the Chinese restaurants. Chicken wakes like think. They couldn't a- two dollars. Sandwich was too big ask. No We had A. Out this okay. This is another true story that Neil Marvels at my life. Yes. Your biography. Seemed to be on Benjamin Button. So happen. Like I have some great tale. What happened? What did bullies you said that bullies will imitate whatever they've seen in a movie. Well I'm going to say, okay here's what nails alluding to. Allege would come up with. Deliverance came out in in. Deliverance. Deliverance came out and seventy, five I believe. So and seventy-five. Delivered comes out on Ted and the common thing was for guys to like gang up on one of their friends and Taina try to rape them. Fame squeal like A. Pig with some real shit. You. You're from a different planet I'm from a different planet like that Shit was like the people think cyberbullying is it problem? Right? Ain't shit and like when deliver first of all Burt Reynolds was the biggest darn world was basically rock. Okay like that because it wasn't just that he he was such a big star. And Yeah, that was the number one scene, the most talked about. John. No was ned beatty media. And deliverance it, and that was very common. Allowed like Yeah Shit went out I'd never got rate but dill late or just how can definitely be attempted rapes were for real at like House party at House for like yeah. Whatever just like you're doing talk about this. I'd never. were. Before, he said it on the files of men get raped. No. No. I know that I mean as a playful bullying thing. Yes. Ask Difference Thousands of men get raped area. They were playing tackle. TAC. Yeah, and. A lot of them happening locker rooms and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's like they're shilling here about circle jerks. I'd never seen that in my life that seems like prep school, Shit. Yeah. So whereas in the in locker rooms and it was it was Yeah. Deliverance was the big movie. That's so insane and Hilarious to me and just insane. Yeah. I'm from a different planet. Yes. Chris father used to say. About if you were trying to make a decision. What do you think is father would say about making he can't just guess. I don't know I say. They need to make a decision before the white man makes one forty. Because you're not gonna like his decision now. So you let a figure this shit out right now some true before the white man jumps in on this, will you explain y your? Job was fun because it's an interesting like his role. Okay. My father was a truck driver right and he drove for lots of places. New York Daily News wrangled brewery, Schulman's firs, whatever you drove for a lot of places. But one of his jobs was they would call him. When Basically. When trying to break the Union and get black guys in like the teamsters whatever right. And so my father would go like my father probably like the first black one of the first black drivers at Rangel brewery a what am I black drivers at the New York Daily News Him in maybe two other guys right and one of the reasons they chose my father is because he could take it. Much like the same reason Jack. Jackie. Robinson's the eighteenth. Best. Black. Baseball player. But he gets chosen because his demeanor. He item most STOIC. He's the most STOA. He can put up with this shit and keep playing. He's not gonNA jump in the stands and one show somebody in the face. and. So your dad was just he would get. Harassed. My Dad will get harassed as you will as it's the same thing people don't piss and. Whatever it's seen gangs of New York. It's very much the same gangs of new. York. Eighteen hundred go ahead. But the. Spirits the spirit is exactly the same. Yes so my dad could take it and later on in life I take it. I have a very high threshold for like pain and people doing horrible shit to be. Served you think or do you wish you were a little bit more affected? It's served me in business right? It has not served me and my personal you know. Desolate situations I probably should have. Said something about Oh bite you'll go you'll take. Full shift from people yeah. Yeah. Just friends and whatever the site. People make. I should raise my voice Variant I should've. I Ju. Yeah. But that's almost like. I was saying on the way over here people parents didn't have no one had good childhoods before like nineteen eighty. The idea of a good childhood is like a fairly new concept. Well, yeah I mean parents were basically judged eighty percent of grade was attendance. Yeah. Now it's like fifty percent of your greatest attendance yet, but it used to be my dad's here. Awesome yeah he hit me back me but he's here. I saw my mom. She Fed us every day. All it really required now it's like. You have to be decent. Yeah. You gotta be better with personnel of GONNA ask You To call your children personnel. I think that's Really good approach. Hi, guys, Neal Brennan here would bianca and you know we forbid cast housing. We use a platform called anchor ABC called Ankgor which Bianca refers to as. Anchor? Nice. So it's like I've said before it's fair. 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So we got a vote. and voting isn't just going to the polls anymore. On Election Day options like early voting mail voting ballot boxes are available to more voters in are growing in popularity. There's a platform called how to vote. It's tool created by democracy works breaking down the options. Your state offers for casting a ballot, empowering you to decide when and where to vote. So. Basically it gives you all the information where you need to go what your options are where to go. You don't have to put him party affiliation any of that stuff. It'll just make it way easier. So. You gotta go to how to dot vote. That's it. How to dot vote is the website and Go there and you can register your put your email in, and then they'll. They'll. It's you're not. You're gonNA vote past November I'm assuming I'm assuming you're GONNA live, right right right. You're in my right how to dot vote get your voting. She had together. What has Having daughters taught you about women. Because I noticed I was having a conversation with another friend of ours who has a daughter and he's like, yeah but she's the daughter. So he was like letting her daughter deal with emotions in a different way than he would have his son. Well. What does it taught me about women has taught a lot on the side as a woman allergist you kind of like put us way. It's. You write your son is different and the reality is the whole world stops for crying woman. The whole company will stop what is wrong with Pam. Ena by stopping fulfil man Phil Better, get back to. Work. Yeah. What the fuck is up with motherfucking fill. Doing. Out Is Up with Phil I talked to that. Yeah. So You. I would say you're a white allergist and a woman. And I was wondering if No one's a woman. I mean your daughters. fucking impossible. You can't. Yeah. They don't have enough time you don't have. Too many variations just try to please you can't get a straight answer from. China to. Try to please you guys went to the same university where. I just try to please I got no, I just try to please. Yeah. I. Got My joke got daughters nineteen I got doors. That's sixteen. And I got an ex wife that's fifty. Fifty and I got a mother at seventy five. When they don't get what they want they sound exactly. Yeah Fat Jokes. There if I showed it in France. You couldn't tell them apart. It's a betrayal. Absolute Spiritual Level Bianca was Chris Rock assigned rapper at any point assigned rapper I assigned or side rapper assigned rapper. Yes. Yes. I. Think I was. It was Atlantic. Demos out there somewhere way you you really wanted to rack. I'm born in sixty five. I I saw grandmaster flash play in the park and I've been to the disco fees still hoping to be. Like I'm that Guy, do you have any mix tapes lying around somewhere sign rapper now? DJ DJ BEFORE I. Ever told the joke. was actually not bad could. Cut Backs men ever ever church you brag dance. Break this but. All adds name you you saw. So you were wrapping maybe and scratching working red lobster. At Radio City lobster. I. Deliver. Areas. Like Oh. Okay. That's what I should be doing with the radio city story is basically meal online. It's like one of those things. Father got the paper. When the only people on the block with the New, York Times and the big full page Ad Eddie Murphy is going to be playing radio city tickets go on sale tomorrow. Okay I'll get there at eleven o'clock, and by some tickets this is back. In prehistoric times to go to a place by prehistoric tops. So the line was. Six City blocks long oh my. Longest Line you've ever seen your life. It was it was like one of those depression lines. Rather. For bread like the one of the. Lines like Eddie Murphy's going to be in a building? Yeah in six months. In theory way I'm yes. I'll wait our way that I get online and I'm just read my paper. Comic Strip. Or? Should go there. That I left line and walked. From Radio City to the comic strip. Audition night was not that night they sent me to catch. I want to catch. About forty people outside waiting to pick a number of one of seven numbers. He pick a number, and if you you know, you pick one of those seven numbers, you get to perform that night. I got number seven. I'd never performed ever had. You thought of Shit too. Maybe I was thinking I should online. While I was online do you mean in the? Online. Meant you were in a line on the line? And by the way of the forty people maybe thirty of them had already auditioned before and it was normal thing like like you see open bikers same open makers. and. So they're all like Oh your first time. Okay. Good. Get this one under your belt. You know by is this is my ninth or whatever you know one day you'll be good whatever the fuck whatever was anyway cut to the only. Got It pass. And You had the joke you the one graduate Butler had passed the week before me. Recipes. I'm kidding. Right she's alive, right? She looks great. She was funny bud. And you had here comes the neighborhood, right? Maybe maybe I got it that night. Yeah. I did have it that night you you've you what were you talk about this? No recollection I said some bad joke about miles. Davis's so black lightning bugs follow him in the daytime. I don't know maybe two more minutes of joke. Right. And I kinda killed yeah and you feel like were. You like I shouldn't be killing like this is easy. It was more like this is wasn't like I should be killed. What's the big? Deal this car waiting for Eddie Murphy and I proceeded to kill for about three weeks. So my first three weeks annihilated. I'm to the point they're like. About bringing in the S. and L. People to see you like my first year. And I brought a girl. Back now, this story. And I brought Kim. And I proceeded to bomb for the next three years. Yes, that's what happened proceeded to. It took me three years to even get back to that point. What do you think? It was just one of them. You know that thing that confidence and arrogance you get that. Comedian kick get to that arrogant place. Yeah. Got To be confident that aren't you cross that line. It's like fuck you. The failure you just that like threw you off. The ball was probably too cocky up first of all youngest buck. You, know, Look Nineteen Twenty Eight nineteen twenty nine. But I looked like. Thirteen. I weighed like a hundred and thirty pounds. You couldn't find clothes that fit like like I was back picture of you before one, thousand, nine, hundred, nothing everything is too big. I was so skinny. And really. A lot of stand up is you know there's a reason there's no Justin Bieber of comedy. There's no little like Eddie Murphy's the closest thing we've ever had to a young comedian. and. All the rest of them are thirty years old man. Start. Is. One Young Guy One guy that was twenty two fucking ripped it. But all the rest of them are kinda grown men and women. And young in one part of the reason is no one believes you when you're that young yeah. I mean there's a point of view. There's no way you have no point of view. It's like there's No. fucking. You know care shut the fuck up, but they'll take miles Davis being black. Any any age can see that. Yeah. Take your your silly shit but. have. You ever talked about why your family moved up from South Carolina. Is that like Like we. Some. Here's. I hate all civil rights movies. Like. I. Don't. Get Me Wrong I. Applaud the effort. And they should exist the problem is They only show the back of the bus and the lunch counter. They actually make racism look very like fixable. And they don't really get into how dysfunctional the of the relationships were and like in the forties and fifties like white men would just walk in your house and take your food. You know like. They would just come in your house. They wouldn't know what happened in the during the depression when people are hungry, and why people are hungry in like. Oh. This black people cooking on that side of town. What do you think would happen would walk in Your House and take your biggest Predator prey relations is a Predator prey relationship. What do you think why guys you think when it was time to Rape Rape Raping White Women? No they would go and rape the women they could actually rate without going to jail for. Okay or sexual assault dislike. You know guys and all that shit you know all that. Shit. This shit is so much more You know. Racism and Jim Crow is so much dirtier than any movie ever show it's in it's insidious. It's in every single. Yeah and yes, the the the amount of rules that existed. You would probably going to get to this at some point. I always tell the story of my mother used to get her teeth taken out at the vet. 'cause you weren't allowed to go to the dentist like like no movie shows you that. This is like, Oh, well, we give them some eggs there'll be five. What why are you? Count, relating to see what? where? They Can Anthony Slam breakfast at Denny's why are they marching? KINDA got left behind at why your family had to move yeah. Something happened with somebody got killed. Lose more. Stories. Somebody. Dead. White person somewhere because there was a time guys came into the house now now got three of them were done. I had to do destroy any. But maybe I feel my friends have similar stories to. Some violence went down. Family had to get out of the south. Pretty. Great racism everybody. why do you? Know Hey explain the social media, the Steve Carlton thing. That's the Steve Kerr. The you and I don't like preening on social media which a lot of people do like a lot of people like. Constant. self-congratulation on social media. And you and I are not fans of it and you say it's because Al Franken and Conan used to dislike Al Franken. So weird that people get in people getting so much trouble now for. For busing balls but yeah. Thank God he's motherfuckers were just mean and condescending to me. was like counting cone and smuggle actually own Kirk was really nice. CONAN rose. Like you fucking maybe they weren't. They weren't fucking deliverance deliverance. You put me in my place at the time. But one of the great stories that helped my career out was Al. Franken pulls me to the side because I had a really good show the Michael. Jordan. Show Michael Jordan. When he hosted ceremony hosted SNL Michael Jordan would musical guests public enemy the Oh my God what is show it was the season premiere in one, thousand, nine hundred. And I had a really good show and then the next week I had a bad show. and. One reason I had a bad shows because again, this is the same thing about being really funny getting too cocky. And trying to find that place again. But Al Franken told me the story about this pitcher. Steve Carlton. Probably the best left handed pitcher in history of baseball. The Second Randy Johnson would be number one you've caught number two. So Steve Carlton would only pitch if this Guy Tim carver would catch him. That was the deal that caught on pitches, macarthur catches them. So you know the game isn't just physical two games mental baseball right and they found that some hitters. If they let them get a hit early in the game. They wouldn't try as hard later in the game. So. There were certain guys. They would let get on basis like this guy easy fastball. Let them get on base and we don't gotta worry about that guy later he so selfish he's just going to be like I got mine. Whatever happens happens and Franken's like that's what happened with you. You Got Yours at the Michael Jordan show and then next league you're just too cocky and relaxed, and you got to have that hunger every night. So. Al. Franken Kinda saved my life. Well so I go hard. And the thing that I like about you as you try it like you. Do during the press. You were saying that you had like mirror. You told me you had a mirror and Mike von Stance set up in your house for years before bring the pain, which is like that makes sense. Yeah that you were actually practicing. I practice all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like. Easier flu waiter. Question. You don't have to get. Back here. Sometimes when what's his face Jimmy Fallon with laugh and people like is there something when you're doing the sketches breaking the fourth wall or kind of like why do people get annoyed because there's something? New because when I was there, you'll get in trouble for laugh. You could not just be like lawyer doing a show was like Yo the Burnett show. Like no disrespect your net but that was. When I was doing snl you laughing during the thing was not You know was not encouraged put. It was just like now we keep it together. We keep it together here. Let me sense Here's a good one which is worse which is a slavery or Jim Crow. Wow the. You've your answer we've spoken about this before and it's Thoughts on. Slavery Slavery. Is Like Slavery Slavery It has rules. You know you're a slave other people have been slaves. The thing about Jim Crow is like. This fake reality yeah that we're free. And Yeah I mean. Not to answer this I mean when people say slavery ended whatever years ago I always go every ended I count Jim Cross. Party slavery as far as I'm concerned slavery ended in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five. That's what I'm like. Okay. We're black kind. Have some shot. Of. Making this thing work. The plant fields not equal, but there are. Avenues and Caves of success. I can go into. seventy-five. The. Thing in years after my birth. Yeah. You said You said perspective you get you go and I'm not exaggerating. You said, you understand slavery but Jim Crow was just fucking mean well, Jim Crow System the meanest that you're just you have sadistic captors. Yeah Yeah I oh, we got guys. Okay. We we have this thing because we want people to work our land. I can kind of understand that on some level this other shit. Water fountains and all this Shannon. All these even Crack Open Jim Crow. They're really thick and the amount of laws. Just, walking down the street and. Okay and you're walking. But if a white woman's walking your way you have to jump you have to be in the gutter. You can't be on the sidewalk in like all of this shit. that. In some states may still be on the books. You know there's a ton of rules about. How much bread you can buy. It's ridiculous. How intricate was yet fucking mean it's mean mean inclosing. We're almost done because we gotta do we gotTa do Yeah Do Drugs Chris Yeah. Go ahead. I. Have Questions. What's the most expensive gift ever given a woman? I'm not even GONNA say. Somebody's GONNA be pissed is why against the next? Regular, but she knows whether. Okay do you have any phobias? Any phobias. and. I don't think I do I can think of one said, why are you? If you have money or did it? I didn't bring up you to said the reason you're doing arenas and pushing so hard. And Toby of being alert Yes yay. Specific I don't want to be just at. Dave actually just said this on Letterman on Letterman thing like I like being famous I do not want to be the miscellaneous black. Do you said you didn't want to go back to being your? Hat. Thank you. Let's not get in trouble will. You don't want to go back to that. Does it okay does being famous? Feel the way you it when you weren't famous just being you never thought about it what I wasn't famous. You weren't like you would like as open mic mind you could be like y'all Makila Eddie. Because, my name is actually Chris Rock. You just knew. No. No. No. I just had this. Okay. 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First Nations Fabulous - Australian Indigenous Fashion

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First Nations Fabulous - Australian Indigenous Fashion

"For me so it's to fashion. You're listening to wardrobe crisis with clare. Press join me. Every week as we look at sustainability ethics and the business and madness of fashion. Twenty twenty one believer last your anyway. Happy new year we had a good holiday or indeed us still having it. I'm back at my desk and raring to go with the return of our past. The mike podcast series. This is the first of three episodes. We've got focused on indigenous australian stories so important and accommodative. It's taken us this long. actually. But i'm thrilled to bring them to you. This one is sponsored by bendigo art gallery and we really grateful to them for supporting it and actually next week's episode two and it's really perfect because the gallery is currently exhibiting the first ever major survey of australian indigenous fashion. The exhibitions could pin p contemporary indigenous fashion and is absolutely phenomenal. It's garments and textiles by fascination designers and artists from all around this country. It's open only until january seventeen so if you're in victoria you need to rush there. You really should. Because it's brilliant but don't panic if you're not because the exhibition will be traveling to cambre at the national museum of australia from february to august. Twenty twenty one a guest host. This week is yet to widows hunt a journalist and advocate for the indigenous fashion sector. And she's the woman behind the instagram account of fashion. So check that one out. I've known you for years actually three ability circles. She's terrific and hey she is yet to. I asked you to hop on here. And do this intro with me. Because i want to get you to share why. It's important that we're talking about indigenous fashion in this episode. Tennis about what we're going to hear and why it matters to you. Thanks so much clear to me. This is a really important pests. No issue as indigenous person familiar. I think fashion is incredibly passable. It's a continuation of storytelling tradition. That he's at least sixty thousand years old and for me. It also really represents the anchor of the australian fashion industry. So i think that's really exciting that we're celebrating as design. Isn't these traditions so much publicly now. It feels like now. There's way more attention even un wet suddenly. Everyone's clamoring to get you on the boards. Everyone's telling their focus to indigenous fashion. This year. right. What do you think i mean. We've absolutely saying a complete change. I think in light of the belan movement. That's certainly shifted things. And i also like to. I hope that it's a sign of maturity of where we are nation that were walking closer to reconciliation together. And that we're starting to see the value and the joy and the beauty in this work and really accepting embracing as part of our strategy and identity. But very lucky we have three guests on these episodes. We have the wonderful shannon hudson who's in indigenous q. Right and who is currently creating a incredible indigenous fashion exhibitions. We'll be talking to her about that and she's super young right. She's amazing she twenty three. Yep but she's really making a mock is one of the country's curate is to watch and we also have two of the designers who featured in the exhibition that shannon. I is key writing taken cowlishaw from ali which is a sustainable straightway brand from western australia and julie shaw from mara collective who's really pioneering co design and collaborative fashion experiences. She's baytuniya works all across the country. Fantastic come wait now. Don't forget you can find all the notes and links today's on our website which is the worst crisis dot com for info for bendigo gallery including the details of their next exhibition which it mary. Quant fashion revolutionary direct from the vienna in london that went up in mont. You can go to bendigo region dot com dot. Au food slash bendigo dash art dash gallery. Hi everyone i am. Yo guest house today we'd is hunt. I'm very proud unaware. John gotti person from new south wales. And i'm also the founder and curator of social media community australian indigenous fashion. Where heat today. Which hobson first nations curator at bendigo art gallery and we're very excited to be speaking with her today. But before we kick off. I did just want to formally acknowledge country and acknowledged that i joining you from the land of the people of the your nation and pay my respects to elders. Poss- present an emerging. Thank you. hi everyone. My name is shayna hobson and i'm a proud. Kanju woman from cohen Each lot i'm coming to you today from. Jj country in bentiu guard says always. That might not be familiar with what a first nations curious. Give us a little bit of insight into what that role is. Yes sir. I started ben. Gurion twenty eighteen ride to that. I was studying a bachelor degree. I majored in anthropology and history from univesity in a key. Part of my role in bendigo is to really engage with fess nations communities here in really be a platform for getting us nations voices and perspectives into the museum gallery setting which historically can be very west in institutions. Sesame was really what to work with the local community but also with first nations from old to really share stories and he's threes on with ince's we are one of the largest regional galleries in australia. Just very exciting moments pretty dynamic team is well. That's great to be able to be in a position where you can kinda can change the narrative and change people's perceptions when they interact with the digital auto come into a gallery for the first time in see indigenous painting or a sculpture or relation. The star long stories in history of being told through a western lens. So it's early. We stop making sure that we're actually having first nation's representation in these spaces that at histories toll throughout lens. I always had a passion for Definitely has led me to worry today. I'm just really fortunate to be able to work with so many amazing and talented first nations designers and artists everyday is out of my job. You are incredibly active when you were an undergraduate in the spice and you worked on the big awaken exhibition which featured a lot of cultural heritage objects at did internal arts. I worked at the mall. Museum interning dead doing research on fascinations collections from northern australia a lot of the effects from my country as well and so for me it was really important to be able to work on the project with the amazing genevieve breeds and to be able to guard back into community and talk about some of the audifax which were in the museum's collection from donald thompson selection but will start to reconnect stories and community in that idea. Leaving cultures in history in attached stars to the facs in the exhibition was a A milestone in terms of being able to get involved. Get the compensation happening making sure that in the future that these artifacts three come back That we do get out old people to reconnect those you such a long time and to be able to our country into be. Some of the mall been listened to this story was really rewarding me as a young person growing up in the community my whole life and unite engaged with mall but to be able to do it in a way that was contributing hearing stories that i hadn't heard as these artifacts taken away and it's definitely a long way to conversation's still happening but for me yells Project to work on. I think museums are really interesting spaces. The wonderful exhibition People's display at the mountain museum. Bunge alaska in germany. Beautiful stories there in a wonderful curate. Kimberly maltin a lot of doing a lot of things as well say it's great to have them as lucky in this space into to look too. I love the way you talk about. Reframing objects that are traditionally been in gallery and museum spaces into living entities and living culture. It's incredible to see that shift within the gallery and museum sector but do you also say that. That way of thinking of that way of approaching. Things has a bigger impact on how we connect culture and also for for broader australia to do that as well. Yeah i definitely think it does. I think it dismantles. There's preconceived ideas that indigenous culture history is a thing of the cost was it's really not. It's continued his three. In living culture that is thriving and wanting to environment constantly evolving changing. But also still strong in who we are out out values. Yeah that's true. And you've touched on this idea of shifting the narrative and if like changing the experience well for people coming into these places and i think when we often talk about going to a museum or gallery to say aboriginal works. We often think of paintings or visual art or sculpture. But there's also this whole other industry that. I know that you are very involved in virtually at the moment which is in the first nations fashion space and a lot of people. Say to me arts. Look at this emerging industry. And i think my god is more than sixty thousand years old. It's always been the tradition of design. I mean how do you see the kind of relationship. Between what would maybe traditionally be called the aboriginal auto industry. This is the wearable fashion industry. Yeah i definitely think that there's a lot of cross artists and it's a may first experience with indigenous fashion as a industry was why attended the cans indigenous say fashion performances so grisly was the founder and creative director of these incredible performances. Which was such a celebration of history and culture but also to be able to see the incredible work of our designers and artists. Who are like you said. Continuing on that tradition of storytelling in dormant man but also being really creative in innovative intensive materiality designs. I always love than i remember. going in. twenty seventeen to the one done session. Performances was a collection of works by the mornington island. Ladies in this stories in the designs splurge xactly the sag narratives that they do on canvas or the being on fabric and to be able to see them wearing the garments in the fashion performance in really celebrating who they are and this continued his. Three of storytelling in mock. Making through off odd was really just a beautiful and lightbulb marmots or may we really sort of seen a bit of a a bit of an explosion. The we've had the very first national indigenous fashion awards. I think a few months ago for the very first time had an office work as they cover for the shoe. I mean it's really sort of taking off in a broader fashion community. As well i mean. Do you think people are surprised. At how much of a thriving and dynamic industry the first nations fashion industry ease. Yes and our. I think social media has been a really good platform to get us stories out then. The work that you're doing as well as super incredible units. Be able to have that platform to showcase the vibrancy in vitality of cermony credible artists working in different spaces. Whether the collaborating non-indigenous designers they got their businesses or inner. Study out jewelry making so i think in terms of it being a surprise. Historically the definitely has been a gap in the market in terms of how stories and industry really recognizing us. Utah had the incredible linda jackson who did a lot of work with first nations communities in the women in utopia by. I just feel today. The real strong push first nations artists and designers to really be the voice of change. And it's three people wax chrysler. Leeann leeann teagan. Kelly show and julie show from our collective throughout participating in the mountain fashion week events showcasing. The collection said just being voice of change in this space. I think doesn't view way Real gang changes in artistic. Innovators shoe are really fleeing thus nations voices and perspectives. Out and kind of coming to the table saying you know this is important. This is why this nation's Integral too old fashioned because of alan houston temps sustainability and wastefulness and interestingly carbon alerts being a really sad times also serving time for a lot of change. And i think for a lot of people to really evaluate the impact that they're having on the environment in terms of mass produce products Overseas sees looking at slow fashion and sustainability is sorry watching trenched in what amount of indigenous artists and designers do. Anyway through the everyday practice is really important. So i think that has been against a key theme in one of the reasons why people outlets are gravitating to was fist nations fashion. Now no you Very entrenched in the fashion industry at the moment because you accumulating an amazing exhibition. Pnp at bendigo gallery and it's known for its love and support of fashion exhibitions. We've seen balenciaga exhibition. There we've seen. The bendigo is just announce america contexts edition for twenty twenty one pimp. E is a survey of contemporary indigenous fashion. And it's really a world. I it hasn't been done before but before we get into the details. I think everyone is curious to know what does compete maine. yes sir. P p is young lead from great grandmother's language in this not really a western term. That translates spot. It's really about the tossing of time on country in that understanding of changes in the landscape close for a lot of fifth nations people across australia. Knowledge of the land as the seasons is really important. Sir sutton thousand indicate when it's the right time to collect sutton sherie oil what You'd be able to use when you're weaving sorry that inherent knowledge of the land to me was a really important part of what i wanted to kind of incorporate into the exhibition so painfully was just the right one in a beautiful quite by mike great-grandmother which is actually in the exhibition. While kind of sets premiss footage shar started the exhibition space. It medically off seasons in the intention with that was to really give audiences the feeling that they will be. Transported onto country with so much of indigenous fashion is really about the land in culture off and storytelling through fashion and sar. We really wanted to create that rich experience. When you come to visit the exhibition i worked really closely with Tata's in resort iota woman and she grew up in Are and becky freeman. Who did this beautiful soundscape sir. When you come in you'll be able to hear songs from country in language. About the changing of the seasons you'll be able to enter the rainbow. Coaling the fire. The wind all these elements from country. That really make us who. We are as indigenous people today sir. The exhibition is more than just the Conventional museum experience. It's really about being invest in indigenous cultures telling feeling Going onto country with these atis leave been workin so much. They everyday practices inner based around. That's really cool so stimulating all the senses and making a much more holistic experience. Yeah beautiful thank you and i think too. That was my experience with the indigenous fashion performances. Is they weren't gonna feel catwalks. Muddles look down with comments. It was whole choreography. That was storytelling. Dance in everything involved in the survey is really about recreating that experience in a museum. Space that's really cool. I've been to a few of grizzlies shows and they're just amazing. I you know people that haven't been. They involve dance performance song. Music sometimes fire natural elements. It's an absolutely beautiful experience. And really you know i feel really proud that that some it's like a first nations led runway. Introductory will is pretty epic. And i know that the exhibition that focuses very much on contemporary fashion. And have as we've said like such long history of design tens of thousands of he's with the original fashion industry in this country. Why was it important for you. To sort of highlight of focus on contemporary practice. Yeah i think the main reason was. Because i really wanted to give audiences a snapshot of the work. That was happening. Today Indigenous design is an odyssey out. There this is the first exhibition. But it's definitely not the lost. So i heard that own. This be more opportunities all curated artists and designers to share. Hey state works in this type of space. And i think traditionally like the history of bendigo art gallery in our credible fashion exhibitions and never really saw myself represented as the first woman as a black woman in these kind of european design is in stories and me it was really important to have that representation as well. I really wanted to showcase the credible wax up off doing today. You've got grace lee and lee's beautiful sculptures to the wiedeman. Dinas hats from the women at beluga watts to textiles and more contemporary. Could you'll stop comments. From the onset heart vow we will sick bought the beautiful warriors even hats. From the oddest set. Lots so that was a collaboration with julie. Shaw is diverse so many different techniques from different parts of the country. Any one of the important things about dizziness. Fashion is that as much as it is about. Crock it's also really about the process are coming together. The looming going to country collecting materials making the baskets in the maths in dinnie bags And beautiful things about oregon hats. Is that still got that. Traditional weaving techni by just through a really contemporary and sophisticated designed false Acing this is so amazing in. Everyone should be wearing sustainable as well. Those had saucer for those. I haven't seen them look them up for la la barak today. Look like bianca jagger hat. Stay huge this stunning. That featured in marie claire in grassi magazine and mara collective. I think actually won the major fashion design award at the inaugural indigenous fashion awards this year. So definitely you've got some of the best practices in your exhibition. And you've as he said you've got so many you've got grossly the work for mornington that she helped to curate and collaborate on you've got off site lino young who's incredible works with silk beautiful prints. I mean i don't. I don't wanna make you any favorites but other particular pieces in the exhibition. That really speak to you or that you that really resonate with you have a different every day because it is really hard regarding to seventy different in design. It's just a little era hundred different objects by one of the really significant works me is taken. Kelly shows dedicating jumpsuit. Teagan is a body office Between darwin and broome. And she's got her life will ali which specializes in st rhett apparel in his deadly. is fabulous it's all up cycled materials the deadly ticks written on the back in its religious the powerful expression of who we are indigenous people by also to be able to wear clothing and just feel sense of pry but also true that notion of decolonizing western space in having visibility within the colonial space. I think is really important in her designs. Really about empowering the next generation of indigenous youth and having think you know what's the best way to sort of land these lessons because there's so much knowledge in community about treading lightly on the us how to be mindful of resources and regeneration even the way we work with each other to make sure that those relationships are sustainable and respectful. Like how do you think we can share. These lessons is a three working on collaborations. Together or sort of more formal ways of teaching. What do you think would with best. Yes i think it's case by case depending on your the designer of the whenever you're approaching us nations designs just for my experience has always been collaboration and understanding. And it's not for me. It's not just kind of really turkey district justice of gonna work with indigenous people. We feel fulfilled. Now would do this project at. It's more to it as really you know you have to be asking a soft. What am i doing in terms of my engagement. That's ensuring sustainable widely How i making sure that indigenous people off the creative designers and have created control. Incredible tournament armadillo creations. Such really what it's about. Sometimes it's taking a step back to let fascinations people the the voice be the change in this industry. So i think there's a lot that can be but i also think. Fashion is a really approachable way for people to understand our culture while are supporting designers polluting. Office buying network beautiful rysley necklace that i always wig. I love it so much. I it's less often really proud when i'm wearing it because supporting greis sponsor to i'm showing off my culture to the rest of the world and so it's so awesome and it makes me feel so excited to see how much people love and engage. We fascinations fashion. You know but one of the things. I get us. Lana show. you get asked lot from particularly from non-indigenous. Australians is is it a k. to where first nations fashion. yeah. I think definitely if the designer and artist marketing and selling At retail price should Them so long as you deleo research at making sure that the products that you are buying Actually made by first nations people in a collaboration that the relation is ethical subtly support. It's good to have allies in this space in honor meakers league when i see someone wearing an indigenous design in straight Nonindigenous i'm proud. And now we're talking to julie shaw from mara collective. Thanks you too. Thanks for having me he today. Mara collective is my brand. It's women's resort and swimwear line and it's based on the foundations of collaboration and co design. So the name mara actually refers to the woods for hands in. ul roy and language groups. Where i'm from. I'm a woman and so the name are a collective is really about nine many hands coming together. That's beautiful such beautiful principal when we talk about collaboration and working in true partnership why do you think it's so important to work like these because we see you know it's such a competitive industry and people are not necessarily always will being open with their ideas or arpan in terms of giving up control of the creative process. But why is this important to you that this principle of patients released so much pot of how you work. Won't i you know i feel that. Collaboration is all about sharing stories coming together to share our stories and experiences to may true. Collaboration is an equal partnership. Between by potties way you know. H contribution is equally important and equally acknowledged. Last year. i code is on a collection of result where and why accessories weighed some female mazda waves from boola boola at center in on a bland. Boola boola center is located in getting a community in northeast. omland so that sway in the top Leah a tiny plane ride from darwin. You'll new from the surrounding highlands and they produced the beautiful traditional wavings and fiber works and also a paintings. I was invited to travel up to land and stay in the community of roman ginning and spent a couple of weeks. Working with three of the new mazda waivers. I was part of the process where they were harvesting and collecting the materials for the waving and just watching these women moves so swiftly through the bush land's day has such deep knowledge of the country and the environment. They knew exactly which plans to go to for certain bulb that you can't even say because it's under the earth and know they worked really hard to speak for the roots in the bulbs into pull down a pant donna slaves and just to see the passion that goes into that and then they bring these materials back and they prepare them and they way they absolutely incredible paces that are telling stories of their ancestors and generations before them that such a special experience it was just such a privileged to make them and spend time with them and learn from them so in the beginning we had conversations about what we could make and we talked about the concept of making these large resort style hats which i could just visualize as being so beautiful using colors from country and traditional waving techniques so i showed the lady sketches and tear sheets and fabric swat shows and designed to give them a feel for what we could create together. Everything just came completely from night. Shah was completely sustainable and from country. What was needed way presented that collection at the country to control runway shy as pot of darwin so i designed the garments and the ladies designed and handmade the woven accessories which included these beautiful hats also woven belts bags and jewelry and these techniques had obeyed pasta and the women for many generations. That much story held in those processes. And i think one thing that you know. I know you're really passionate about as well. Is that the process is just as important as the outcome. So there's a whole story behind an you often share the story of your work in when you release things. Why is it important someone. Who's the fashion item to really connect with that story. Yeah it's really important that the consumer can be involved in that story and experience that story and feel like they're part of it. So when i have a collaboration i always tell that story on the website when the purchasing the gum and they also receive a little oddest kat and story about that. And it's just connecting the consumer to the print and the artwork and the reason for that product being. I called taken cala show from ali fashion to oscar about that deadly jump seat. It times does snap ed mer already where we chat now to the amazing taken cowlishaw from ali teigen. We know that. So much of your work features. The deadly which we know is used nap communities all the time. What does deadly main to you growing up deadly. When i was younger everyone always kind of had it as a slang language for being good or excellence all som and as i grew older and did some research eventually found out that the irish use it in context that means exactly the same or also. Yeah i was really interesting. Because i think it must've got an connected in translation during the convict times with the whole other there. Yeah really deadly deadly. You have famous and glamorous and beautiful jumpsuit that pages the deadly on it's part of the exhibition but we've seen all around the country. tell us about this jumpsuit. inspired you to create it will. I definitely wanted today. Something that was fishy outrageous. And i think. I got that across with my seat. I think was very lucky to be evolved. Initially in the melbourne fashion wake capture which beautiful sinead news stumbled across and then came and saw me at a. I ended up doing at our. Mit toke and she came approached me then and said that she wanted by jumpsuit in pin pay and i felt completely on it. Because the first time i've ever been acquired by a national museum will gallery and yet so to made that such a huge model stein and to actually make it. I had left. David cushion cover material. Said that's i thought i'd go on then. Being up socks claim used by leftover fabric. And i ended up using an old top. That was broken so i cut that up to have the print on the back and if you look on the detail on the york that some kind of what we try to represent with the texture was fish goes to go towards what ali means an ali. Maine's fish in body language. Was it that inspired you to stop ali out really great back that my inspiration was not only with the naming but just being because she got dementia being stolen generation. I really didn't have that kind of traditional wanted. Have language and i didn't have that the united traditional learnings pasta onto me so it was always that kind of thing that how could i create a fashion light bulb that wasn't just essentially creating fashion. I wanted to do something different sir as a young kid. I was always recycling. 'cause i was surrounded by my godfather mother who are drag queens so i was always dressing up and playing around so this kind of recycling element and then this kind of unite vintage fashion being surrounded by that i feel that that's not that kind of sustainability in ethical practice but then i wanted to do something for my family and community end. I was always surrounded by fashion by being around all my uncles and aunties and doing fashion runway shares of my mom's communities so it just kinda naturally went down that path. What a great story says from a young age his you interested this is like eighties as of may this little one and all of these toll like drag queens big. A terrible may have always tried to get into the heels. Walking around in their heels liked combined is and a lot of sake wins for those that don't ali. how would you describe your label to people. That aren't familiar with that. Yes yeah definitely describe it as a a sustainable and ethical straightway brands We specialize now in in custom straight wearing dead stock apparel. We love doing partnerships to try and get up sock with products. And i love that. I'm a hundred percent. Fish nations are operated a really. Take that with pride and if there was one pace that you've created through ali that you think really sort of speaks to the heart of the brand. What would that be own. i think just recently. I collaboration that. I did with mim betting where we got leftover bedsheets and we turn them into. I'm sleep way. So going back to a indigenous brand that in dollar where i grew up and two dollars goes collaborating and taking yet leftover bedsheets making these the sleep way i think is just being superfund and definitely what i feel is a good definition for my brands. I mean you're known for bold styles. really edgy. styles have really cool caps that you make. What sort of drew you into straightway. What what's the power. Straightway really that next generation that that trying to connect to the next gen. I think has always been my inspiration to try. Make them dream. That i'm being from would little low. Darwin moved out to perth. And a bane has a twenty four years but to show them that anywhere in the world that you can kind of being and and liffey dreams and and do what you want especially in fashion. And then i was kinda like that at the start of my journey because i had connected with nobody denim and up cycling the jeans i wanted to go around and get more partnership. So we worked with senior powell in sydney and golden dead stock. And that's how we kind of went into the apparel areas with with doing t shirts in our caps because i really wanted to continue that up cycling using dead stock which would only go into landfill and that spin a huge condo way to get my products out to a awada community because at the status squat expensive today up cycling's not everyone can afford the these deadly jumps that to create essentially a product that you know muslim community could patches and then mobin community could wear the sense of pride. Yeah that's really cool. And i know you. Being one of the pioneers of rising sustainability as a big issue and about how important that is culturally as well known and also lifting the voices of first nations fashion designers. Why now why is now the time for us to really becoming together and and highlighting an elevating. We've really never had this kind of platform we've never had voice. We've never been invited to the table. Obviously with black lives matters. I think now is the time with definitely bane. On the wings of many many designers. I go back to when i was younger was once by on illinois dempsey from type of woman. Uncle rome gidget from declines. You've got friends seeing kick it. You've got all of these old deadly designers that we did back in the united states years ago. And now it's like just becoming a new revolution again. And i think is just super exciting that we're now in national exhibition. Where going into retail now out. Wonderful pop up that we didn't sit the to be given platforms ipod cots and actually getting out voices out there. It's super exciting. And i think the time has differently now. Yeah that's amazing justin credible to say how how much things have changed. Even in the loss six to twelve months in terms of the worry quelling working think was the barriers. Why do you think we haven't had as much of a voice before industry. I wouldn't actually know that question. I feel that it's really quite interesting. That we haven't bain actually out to the table because we have influenced and being that inspiration for many designers in australia for over twenty years that i think it's finally now for us to continue our own storylines have our own platforms. Have a month continued culture through fashion. Because it isn't part of our serve. Reconciliation is such a smooth way to actually be able to interact educate through fashion to be able to have a sense of brands to share shanties content traditional stories that pasta three generation to generation. I think is magical and yet now we're finally getting recognized. It's incredible and you've described this period as oh my psych revolution. May we honor and acknowledge all the people that have come before and all of the people who have paved the way. But you know you've described these this generation this spock as a bit of a revolution of sorts. What do you mean when you say that. I feel like it's because way yeah. We started on on the backs of of other designers being from Aunties and uncles from illinois dempsey. Pepperpot woman you've got uncle wrong gidget. I still call him the godfather of indigenous fashion with his kids back in the eighties and nineties. But to really spark this revelation for next generation to to be motivated. We really need to be without youth. United heart suicide rights lack of self determination completely lack of motivation especially being out. You know serve rural. I think it's this. Walk this igniting for these. This next gen to really they needed to understand. You can be anywhere in the world. And i find especially being out on community. That's what makes them so unique and special. What makes sense so the stories and the products so beautiful is because they're out on country that can fly in city and comfortable to flash deadly for amendments it and then they can go back home and be with their the mob. 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Weebles Wobble

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Weebles Wobble

"Armstrong and getty. Radio! Food and Jackass on radio in an introduction that was holy, God. Nobody, does it better? We do want another it's. Such a bizarre. Apologize for that all right, go go! I remember your facing. And now he. Armstrong and getty. froms studios. Days near dimly lit roll. Deep within the bowels, the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound and today on little Wednesday were under the tutelage of our general manager Kim. Jong own the world's most powerful people. Might Call Information Party party hands-on. We both as an old toy. The fat little wobbly thing. Did you miss out on the we? Did we wobble, but they don't fall down Hawas that sounds. gingery toy. He doesn't like that. Two of the most dangerous borders in the world of in violence overnight, so and what do y'all good things were getting so dull. Thorough melts into the bank, so blessed I said to the last night. Is there no controversy? Is there? No anger is just boring. So a India and Pakistan the other one get north and South Korea and India, and Pakistan, actually got into it in. Killing each other in hand to hand combat. In Indian China I'm sorry. Indian Chuck, all right India and China which is horrifying, because China's a giant giant nuclear power India's a giant giant clear par and these people were killing each other in hand to hand combat. Yeah. WOW small arms knives couple big roster's going at it. They're exactly yeah. Heavyweight fight a two billion count hand to hand combat. Yeah, good point like you know well, and if they decide to jump ugly, I mean they could just send wave after wave of human beings to their doom, which you know, nobody wants what a third of the world's population, and that'd be something anyway. Yeah, so you get North Korean South, Korea! With things get blown. People Killed and same with. China India so there you go I'll be danged. The something something different think about what is it with that part of the world? Is it the humidity? Everybody's very tense. It's probably the totalitarianism. or the humidity and then I saw somewhere. They're trying to somebody who was trying to tear down Kista door statues. Did you see that I did so? When did Can Kista so Thomas Jefferson Statue got? In front of a high school in Portland horrible still down as far as I know. That! That crosses the line into something pretty serious. When you know, confed, your confederate statues are one thing, and you can have arguments each way. Yeah, if you can't name school in America after. The writer of the Declaration of Independence, and have their statue about side been wearing a really different territory, right? The keystone sourcing. Yeah, that's what I brought. That about Jefferson lately I'm or or later rather. DEAL! That's a big deal. I know I I can't be held back. But when when did CAN KISTA doors become a problem? The very name Jacks vanished for conquerors, please they they run row ran roughshod over the native people, but isn't the whole. We didn't cross the border. The Border Cross dos I e s that is the Spanish people the descendants of the CAN K-. K- center reasons late. In recent the reason we have millions and millions of people that speak Spanish is because that's correct. Pain came to Mexico, but see in the tradition of people who make that sort of claim. Jack, and it's going on all over the world as we speak, they pick a particular sliver of history and say all was the one that religion it ownership. was set out now. People have that. Before as they. Nobody does where they were. They just left my Texas. When we had it, that was legit. Then the next people have it. They're evil conquers colonialists right right. Angry and you know every landmass on earth has been owned by seventy seven different civilizations through the epochs. And then a quick check in on the I was just wondering myself personally on the sports I just saw a headline that the Commissioner Baseball said I am not sure we're going to be playing baseball significant because only three days ago. He said I'm one hundred percent sure we'll have a CCD really he did. He said on one hundred percent. Sure Yeah, you can't say you're one hundred percent sure about something. And then two days later said I don't think it's going to. Consider being good at your job. Unless you're a hard ass, and he is a hard ass and my baseball insiders. Tell me there's the enemy. No baseball really players. Association is Super Torqued off at the owners. The owners are hard Hainanese. Themselves as is the commissioner. And and the players are not being terribly cooperative, but then the NBA Commissioner I saw his and I'm sorry. It's worth pointing out that the many many thousands of people who aren't an owner or a baseball player, but make their living major league baseball will get nothing. And like just absolutely nothing nothing. You're hot dog vendor vendor security guards groundskeepers to a extent although they were selling for a living. Yeah, right I'm Pires everybody, the nobody's get nothing and the super rich hard hindsight or saying now you got to be a tough time in history. Few sing the national anthem well. He's singing at home in the shower I guess yeah. But not a lot of adulation. No, now while you gotTA. Do It for the love of it. Let's introduce everybody in the squad to kick off the show. There's our board operator. Michelangelo Pressing Buttons Flip toggles running some sort of foot pedals. It's an old time machine. Hurry this morning on 'em. How are you this morning? Michael, I'm doing good, although I'm worried that there may not be any NFL may or may not be as in touch on the most popular sport in America whether or not, there's going to be I've always assumed there would be football, but the summers dragged on. And We're getting closer to the season. And if it does happen, it will be highly politicized all right Oh. Golly, sorry. I interrupted. You know I'm just thinking if you're an alternate sport like Darts Croquet Darlings. This is your time to shine. You've got to step up and make it entertaining for people and Arts a particularly good example. To people with masks, no crowd very safe except for getting a the head. Count Line. These are professional, but this is your time to shine oddly Jack, they play sober. I've never played darts sober. I thought it was against the rule. Twelve I mean come on. I've played thousands of hours of darts. and. Always quite inebriated around other people quite in Hebrew to. Nobody ever caught DART. I'm surprised that never happened in all the drunken dark games I was in in my life. I think it has the benefit of being so obviously dangerous. He was completely Amer is aware of it right, I mean if you're if you're a super hammered swinging golf clubs, guys get accidentally conked. because. It's not obviously a threat of death. You're hurling needles through there. Even the most by item among US recognize the hazard. You could be knee walking drunk I still occurs Tan is like Oh, knife in my. There is positive. Sean who smile lights up the remark Sean doing very well now I've been seen a lot of articles. The last several days about the the influx of the Robin Hood traders on the the financial markets now the Robin Hood traders are being used as a shorthand term for rob from the poor and give to the rich I assume or not the other way around. As Jones pointed out he was actually stealing from the government and giving back to the people Libertarian the. It is shorthand for the new retail investors largely propelled by commission. Free Trading Robin Hood is the APP that kind of pressure, a lot of the other trading brokerage firms to get rid of their their trade fees and. A study has shown that the retail investors in the first quarter have been outperforming the picks of hedge funds during the market Golden comeback cording to Goldman Sachs. Retail investors now the the way they did the study, their basket of equities, the most popular stocks being purchased by these the this influx of new retail investors is up about sixty one percent compared to the forty five percent of the hedge funds over the same period mile, and that is interesting, yeah, the the hive mind or just A. There seems to be a shift in the dynamic of. they're no longer the gatekeepers of of commission trades and I it's it's similar to what the Internet did with a lot of media stuff now. It's just kind of made it worse. The best example, too. It's the same way that you know. Youtube disrupted CNN and a lot of ways. Because now everybody can do it. And yet wolf blitzer remains inexplicably. I read another Article Wall Street Journal about how trading has changed in the last year. So in a explains a lot of what's going on, but anyway maybe we'll get to that later. I'm Jack Armstrong he's Joe Getty on this already. It is Tuesday. June sixteenth got already have the way through June like the solstice. National Pessimism Day that they start getting shorter just five days away from the longest day of the year, and then we're and we're headed into getting darker in the coronas still around and no sports. Cry. We're Armstrong getting we approve this program. All right then let's begin the show officially now. According to FCC rules, regulations getting started at mark, so the most for the remember you know okay so. So so then so some people you know. And stuff, and then and then other people were they hey. And then other people like. Hey. You should to hear that stuff. It's good. They're doing that stuff, and then you. Should be doing that stuff. Around his three. That's a random gent who appears very mountain. Man asked giant, Gray, bushy beard, long crazy, gray, wild hair, nice, and he that was his impression of what what what the world is like right now. As you. Say! Well that's analysis right there. I'd listen to his talk. Show like it when you. Do of. And other views in. A. Informed as I'd be watching twelve hours cable. House Mel Bag Oh, it's the most horrendous pile of tripe. You've ever heard life. Awesome and other news today on the way. The Armstrong and getty show. We got no sports to watch Michael. Suggested the professional darts. Now we're getting texts from people either been hit by a dart or seen. People get hit by Dr Scott I never saw it in all my years of drunken darting. Bars all across this great land. This person says they. They were at a balloon pop booth. At a Carnival Cho- boy and DART sailed over. The Boo Ono. Standard off the head coach. Shimano stuck in his forehead. Better than your I, yeah, but holy cow. Luckily, Carney's are trained in Advanced Medical Response Jack. At off. You want a cigarette. mouth-to-mouth. Oh No, let me tie. freedom-loving quoted today sent along by Ian and Tijuana. That's right. People get mad when I say Tijuana T wan. WanNa. It's actually from Dr Seuss. We can discuss. Jose Rights. I'm sorry. Ian I'm Jose Ian Wright's. Being an extreme libertarian! Antisocial this quote stretch Muria from Dr Seuss. Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who don't mind. Like that except that, you'll get your job taken away from you these days. Dr Seuss. Dr. Dear Team A and G mark has out for jog today. Last leg of my route goes over a small arts book bridge in back to my street. I always sprint the home stretch. There will never be another day going down that bridge that I don't scream momentum. At least internally you're right. Best Police, one word tweet ever. Pretty funny talking about how he jogged down last part of that rampant west point momentum. Very nice. Alien Animus rights just won Gina know that after being loyal listener for ten years. Thanks ailing I know. Is this going toward? I can't ever listen again. No, actually it's not or the other direction now Sean. This is the thing we were discussing moment to go after a loyal listener for ten years Bob of I you guys have started showing up in my dreams the other night while I was sleeping. You guys showed up in my dream. You were singing and dancing. The Carol Baskin Song. Care Bath. KIELDER HAS! Happy. Then, tigers snack. Factor. And she writes she signs of chaos, IPTF keep sheltering in place to flatten the economy. Right. Lean op-ed. We're going to get to buy scientific types. Crunching the numbers in the Wall Street Journal today really went through the numbers and say we got to open up. That had a marginal decrease in the number of deaths, according to their numbers as long as we're talking about the Chinese bat fever. Let's see back here I, believe in my stack of fabulous emails from you. Good people. You can email us anytime. Mail at Armstrong and GETTY DOT com. Mail Meghan Armstrong and getty dot com social, distancing very important, closing down businesses barely accomplished anything according to the wall, Street Journal today and their number crunching Hashtag flat in the economy. Unbelievable Dave from Yorktown rights, and this is an excellent point, and we've touched on this a couple of times through the months, but probably not enough without context, the covid nineteen death numbers are suspect what we never here is. What's the Delta from normalcy? And so it stats term, but you'll get it in two thousand seventeen for instance to the CDC in a four-month period on average, nearly nine hundred thousand Americans die of health related causes. What are the total number of deaths? The health related deaths in twenty twenty for the past four months that Delta. The difference is more a more accurate estimation than can be attributed to the virus. The to simplify it a huge majority of the folks who passed from the covert, not everybody but a huge majority. Old Sick of weakened. Somehow in the chances are quite good. They would've passed from something else now. How good I don't know as as Davis pointing out. We need that number. And, it's not a question of deciding whether it's a conspiracy against trump or the greatest threat to mankind ever it's a question of what do we decide policy wise to respond to it, and do we for instance crush the economy. Without any solid information that that's still a good idea. Moving long. Boy a lot of people weighing in on Chazar. Chop or whatever they're calling it to the. Occupied zone in Seattle Dave. Suggest calling it chop. Suey capitol, Hill occupied, protests, sickly, undernourished, evil youth. That's that's a bit of stretch their Dave venomous stretch. Let's see Vince from Idaho wants to know. I feel like this movement has escalated so much because we're paying all these people thousand dollars a week, not the work into continue to destroy cities and towns any chance we can get a list of the citizens of Chazan back. Charge them for legal using American benefits I. Love that idea events. Good call now chop. Continues, and we have an update on that among other things coming up on the Armstrong and getty show. Armstrong and getty. The Armstrong and getty. Show. What men and women attractive in each other on the way, and also we need to check in as we mentioned two of the most dangerous borders in the world got violent overnight in. We should touch on that. Why have you tried to silence me? Michael Liberal. Make citing economic news out Jack. Things are very positive on here. Momentarily, sure know. Goes up and down but funny note here from Emily and Cal Unicorn. Yesterday while listening the fourth hour of the show via podcast I got extremely worried that Joe. It had a stroke while on air. That's me. I can assure you I am unstressed as of yet in fact, my. Well I had a doctor's appointment. Yesterday we went over my various lab tests I to be in fine health. Except perhaps for my blood glucose, which is slightly. Hi, it's It's on the road to diabetes is barely it's like Los, Angeles, four hundred and sixty two miles. You're on the road. Los Angeles but you can turn around if you'd like that. You have control over the lifestyle or is that something? To a person nights it's it's in until you pass a tipping point. You can absolutely do with Diet you. Lose weight you avoid carbs, and that sort of stuff so is. Is You know get you abs done folks good. You can nip the stuff in the bud before you suddenly find yourself in Los Angeles. which you know if you live in Los, Angeles is probably a poor metaphor, but I see I think you see my point anyway. So, then once Jack started talking on seemed like he had suffered the same stroke than I realized my sixteen month old played with my phone and set the podcast to half speed Oh. That's funny Thanks for the unintentional laugh. Yeah, I'm sure that's that's fine. Oh, speaking of people with an odd manner of speaking sean that the the champion played us earlier, the wild bearded fence, so the most four. Z. you gotta remember. You know 'cause so so sedated so some some people. Were and stuff, and then and then other people were hey. And then. When I saw a picture of him, it reminded me of the Cracker Kroger Guy. Bush ragging. Warren, Kroger Kroger going around white. Which is just priceless from Mel? Brooks blazing saddles, he does look exactly like that character. And I knew you would enjoy this. That actor was the same. Is the same guy who was a cruel deputy in first blood, the first Rambo movie who beat stallone down and was terrible to him and the rest of it same guy. I mean the range on that. Come on both sides of the law I please. He's No side, wind and power crack. So I, see Trotta joke. Trump is tweeting with lots of exclamation points about the retail sales numbers which I have not seen. Is that what you're? Jackie retail sales are up seventeen point seven percent. Economists had expected. Why do they even tell us this? It's the biggest one month increase of all time. Well ovation up right harshly because we are in such a trough, but that is still good news. It had dropped sixteen point four percent in April, but is up seventeen point seven percent in May. Retail sales, excluding auto and gas, you don't want to include those or twelve point four. I'm a little confused. Because enough enough stores opened up or did we stop buying even online Darah month or We got our heads around. This whole. Auto and Listen to this, would you? Okay! It's broken down here. consumer spending online rose nine percent one point three at grocery stores and macy's sales at department stores jumped by almost thirty seven percent since they're open. Furniture Stores showed a ninety percent increase in spending. Sporting goods rose eighty eight point two percent. This was a sitting around at home. My furniture is not good right, right? My baseball MITTS worn out sales, electronics, stores, surge, fifty percent and spending it. Clothing retailers skyrocketed one hundred and eighty eight percent. Auto parts gasoline food sales from food services up almost thirty percent spending on building materials increased about allows good yeah. It is we're back and better never folks for everybody hating everybody and quarter of the people being out of work in the Ryan's and a lot of those people making more money, being out of work than if they went to work, which I don't know how you unwind that hurt a couple more examples of that yesterday. How do you unwind that I've listened experts talk about it. It's going to be complicated. Cut The cheques. Get back to work. You Lazy Bums. That's what you say. and if their jobs are there, then you give them more unemployment. Somebody texted this tweet. Maybe I could. FACEBOOK's. And then this techniques, Graham, picture of that screen capture been printed out and put in the mail and fax it to someone's great aunt. Fax It to my great aunt, anyway, I don't know who this person was commenting on the people of Chop or whoever? Some of you have done nothing with your life and your mad. You have a college degree in smartphone with access to virtually anything, and you can barely get out of bed in the morning while you spit on people who built a whole world with nothing but a horse map and ax. Is Pretty. Bad is pretty darn good. That's strong. You Know I. What Are we going to do here? Oh what people find attractive. One of our beloved listeners sent us. A video videotape John cleese then on extremism John cleese of monty python fame, who also was a visiting professor at? Cambridge and then American University and is a brilliant guy, can't even guess what his Iq is a but talking about the appeal of extremism. Maybe we can get to that next thing. I want to check on the in on these borders. Before we get to the male female thing, you should probably know this news. It's kind of interesting, so remember when trump walked across the border with. With little fat head there in North Korean nobody'd ever done anything like that and was absolutely amazing and it Kim was the first person in his family to step across the border into south. Korea and everybody smile well. Then they built this little building. They called the Liaison Office where they could all meet after years, of South, Korea north, Korean not even speaking to each other. They built this building where they could meet. North Korea blew up. So that's the end of that, I guess, but they didn't shut it down. They blew it up that in changed the locks and instead word cancelling the meeting on Tuesday. They didn't sell it to a grocery outlet. Just blew it up. They split it and apparently that was on the orders of his sister. CASSIE sister, who we've all come to know who's starting to assert herself, remember. She's the woman. The NBA. The I'm sorry. The NBC folks called the Bianca Jagger the and help if I had these. righty vodka trump of. Trump of North Korea. She's so beautiful she has people killed in blow things up. I find her oddly attractive. I don't. Psychologically I want to be dominated. Obviously I've read about this. And then the other border that's troubling is India and China up in the Himalayas. Some Indian troops were apparently killed by Chinese soldiers in close quarter combat. Just as the two countries, we're trying to settle things down because they had a little dust up a while back, but nobody was killed. Preliminary reports today indicate that the soldiers on Indian soldiers had not been shot, but had been killed. In a brawl with rocks and wooden clubs, holy cow are marriage is sir. Wow. And they say as many as twenty soldiers, Indian soldiers were taken captive by the Chinese believes are still being held by the Chinese. That's a serious problem of tension. Tensions longest unmarked border in the World Jack Twenty one hundred miles of frontier mountain territory, tastic hate to be in a rock club fight unless you're a secretary of Hud right now, but unless you're Ben Carson you. Don't WanNa get into a club Marach fight. He's used to that. Right back to North Korea, the reason they're pissed. Is that the dissidents? Escapees escapees. What do you call them defectors? From North Korea have been sending leaflets into North Korea generally via balloons, saying hey, here in the south people live well. They're educated. We have plenty the rest of IT and North Korea's angry about that and threatened to send its own leaflets in South Korea. I'm South Korea I'm saying go ahead. You can come to the North and starve to death if you'd like and you'll be beaten if you complain about it. Gee, I don't know honey north sounds pretty attractive. You got any any thoughts. Please send all the pamphlets. You want you dirty commies. And now this men and women don't know what the other gender finds attractive according to a new study. It's interesting that they went the way they went about this. They had men and women. Draw a picture of their ideal body type for the opposite sex so I. draw a picture of what I think is the the hottest woman and the women draw a picture. What do they think is the hottest man I'm so bad at drawing? You wouldn't even be able to tell a human. What is that a coffee table? And it's interesting. They did it twice once. With short term relationships I like that phrase people you find sexually attractive. I guess just that's all the on your mind, and with long term relationships in mind, and they ended up with the same results. Men and women. Have seemed to have misconstrued over the years. What the other gender is looking for as far as body type of men thought women wanted someone more muscular and women thought men wanted someone more thin. which this doesn't actually surprise me, but you know. Maybe this'll be good information. Get out there. The idea that women are looking for big bodybuilder types. That's not what the average woman drew for what she's looking for and run into few women who express. Yeah I know and I just just yeah, just my life, experience and singing, who attractive women Mary has led me to believe that that is. A false notion put on us by what bodybuilding magazines movies I. Don't know what that's just. That's not been the case in my life really ever. I've known a few women like that type of Guy, but very few yeah, and the other way around. Apparently, most men are not going for the super skinny stick figure that women seem to think, and they're probably misled by magazines and TV shows shore bachelorette embarrassing voice. Both. Those solo things appeal to. Certainly there's somebody for everybody, but on average yeah. men were attracted to drew pictures of. Much less stick, figure, women and women because Oh. Did I I? Don't know if I said this. Which Ruins the experiment? Then they had each sex. Draw what they think. The other sex want So women drew skinny pictures of women. Thinking that's what men want. Men drew not as skinny pictures which should be good news for everybody, right? You don't have to be a bodybuilders man. You don't have to be a stick. Figure is a woman to be attractive to the opposite sex super general that is goodness. It's weird that as human beings since mating is the aside from breathing the most powerful urge we have is finding a mate. It's weird that we've gotten completely off track I think it relates to the frequently voiced theme around here that instead of perceiving the world through our eyeballs were perceiving the world through the eyeballs of those who feed us mass-media pre mass media you. You're only idea of what women look like what have been your local. They're like women roughly by age married in this town, right? And you notice there four five gals usually hanging around Jimmy the blacksmith shop. You know he's sees he's fit. He's not huge. But he's fit. Exactly a little good news get Greta the barmaid over there who come on to put down the way to have a doughnut. That's what I'm. Working on your personality, yeah, exactly, your personality martling is interesting, friendly smile, the be interesting. That's good rich. Oh boy. Back to cynicism. Good to be home, we were just about the break. Well. The Armstrong and getty show. CNN is just released released a list of statues. Plaques etc across the country. That should be removed because of. Various bad things. These people did through the current lens of time. Right or as Tim. Sandoval pointed out a prominent abolitionists statue was ripped down because he's an old white guy. We're going. That's the enemy. Can talk more about that in a little bit if you want to. Speaking of which this is so terrific, John cleese of Monty Python Fame, and actually you've never watched fawlty towers, which was a sitcom sort of he did after Monty Python, watch out with my dad was really enjoyed. The funniest things ever made just awesome. Absolutely hilarious fawlty towers spelled within Wfan W. he had a temper problem. Basil Fawlty is he did. Rather severe one, but. This is actually John, cleese, who? As I mentioned was has been a visiting professor at a couple of universities and I have a collection of his lectures in book form, and it's absolutely brilliant, absolutely full of insight. He did this thirty years ago now at the beginning. There's like a Britishisms to don't get hung up. This is John cleese on extremism. We've heard a lot about extremism recently Nastya harsher atmosphere everywhere have more abuse and boy, behavior, friendliness, tolerance, and respect for us all. What we never hear about extremists. Is, it's a bondage use. Well the biggest advantage of extremism is that it makes you feel good. Because it provides you with enemies, then explain. The great thing about having enemies is that you can pretend, but all the badness in the whole world is in your enemies and all the goodness in the whole world. Is it you? Attractive, isn't it? So if you have a lot of anger and resentment in you anyway and therefore enjoy abusing people. Then you can pretend that you're only doing it. Because these enemies of you also such very bad persons and that. If it wasn't for them, you'd actually be good, natured and courteous of rash of all the time. So if you want to feel good, become an extremist, okay? And, then he gets into lists of. Left and right wing extremists in Britain and their list of enemies, and he says Oh, we have a fine list on the right as well and that sort of thing, but I'm not. That was very good at you. Know as as we've been discussing. I guess I brought up that there. When you get swept up in a political movement, it is very much like feeling in love emotionally falling in love It's it's exciting. You know you just super enthusiastic. Everybody's coming together your arms around each other and declaring autonomous zones and the rest of it. It's intoxicating the problem, though with all political movements is that. Independent thinking immediately becomes group, thinking or mob, thinking because you WanNa be part of the group to stay in love with it, and the first thing a mob loses is its conscience, and we're seeing that right here and you've all seen one hundred examples that in your life people doing things in a huge group. They would never do if they could be seen as an individual I stopped by a target yesterday, as I was trying to find the last copy of minecraft that exists in the nation to put in an intendo switch. Is My son was getting a medical procedure done, but anyway so I. Stop at this target and I go back there night. And they and having done a lot of research, they had the last couple of craft and so I bought it, and she said I need to walk up to the front with this and I said. Do People Steal these that often? It can't make it from the back of the store to the front of the. The store, and she said no I'd ring you back here, but the other day. When they broke in here, they took all the cash registers. I said when who broke in her. When the rights the other night from the George Floyd thing, I said really so yeah, so when there was rioting in my town I didn't know that I didn't know that either. I had no idea when there was rioting and leander reported. Yeah, I would say. I would say when there was writing in my town, they broke into the target, went to the back of the store and took all the cash registers in addition to a ton of stuff. Obviously you a ton of merchandise, but all the cash register now gone and the. Multi gazillion dollar target corporation is yet to replace the cash registers and a lot of the stuff, and probably going to wait and see what happens for awhile, not gonNA. Put out a fresh crop of cash register to be stolen by the way who wants a cash register and getting told cash in there and get into what John cleese said. There you know you excuse your own bag behavior. There's a certain crowd that would be willing to break into a target and steal stuff. I'm not one of them there. There is no political cause that would ever lead me to break into a target and steal merchandise. There just isn't. I gotTA believe you're the sort of person that would I mean. He's saying you're you're you're you're you're projecting the idea that? If the other bad people went away, you would stop doing this stuff. Right the crowd that's willing to smash windows. I'm never going to smash a window. What if the windows already smashed and people are going in and out and you see A in your size. That's really appealing. Go in there leave twenty dollars, but you're right. Oddly under reported, I had not heard. That far from this radio station that target got just completely decimated. Doesn't make the news that much year run counter. It's all there on the right side of history, so let's not get caught up in that whole thing right did it undermines our narrative, which is that this is the good and righteous expression of good and righteous indignation, and to some extent, Bailey thing well right. Yeah, to some extent it is, but yeah it. It gets more and more extremist and harder to understand and you go from Tarran down. Of stonewall Jackson to Thomas Jefferson to one of the leading abolitionists of his time. Because you're a mob, you've lost your conscience. You've lost your ability to think rationally. And all you're doing is seeking out the enemy, because they are the seat of all evil in the world, and you are the seat of all good. It feels good when you're doing it, but it is morally indefensible, not only does the news not wanNA report because it runs it. The narrative I'll bet target is afraid to speak out and say anything make Moore as much of a ruckus about it. They've changed the name of the chain of stores to target of looters. and.

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Finance on Instagram: what's not to like?

FT Money Show

30:33 min | 1 year ago

Finance on Instagram: what's not to like?

"Finance on instagram. What's not to like? The instagram generation might be criticized for loving consumption fueled images of designer clothes expensive brunches an exotic holidays but the platform is increasingly providing the inspiration for those looking to save money learn budget and even start a retirement fund will get out of debt for the younger generation is getting financial advice via social media a good idea. Well today I'm thrashing this out on the PODCAST with Catherine Gemmell. A twenty four year old reporter at the money and Jason Butler the F. T. columnist who is there? I say more than twice Catherine's age but he has spent thirty years. Working in financial services has lots to tell us about it. So welcome to a special multigenerational edition of the Anti Money. Show the FTC. Weekly podcast about personal finance and investing. I am Claire. Barratt Eddie money editor presiding over this week's bum fight so admit the deluge of sell fees content creators around the world bringing financial education into the social media mainstream by talking about their money on instagram. Now Catherine you've come to F t money on an internship through PA news. You are somebody who does instagram. Yep I am somebody. Who's trying to learn as a forty three year old lamely trying to be hip but for the benefit of the people in the audience who are not instant stars. How does instagram actually work? So as a photo and video sheeting up where you post visual content and keep up to date with your friends family's favorite celebrities and influencers at first on the scene in two thousand eighteen and since facebook acquired platform for one billion dollars. Eight years ago at no boss one billion active users law five hundred million of whom used a platform daily. So taking a photograph of something because you can't pace without without saying here face Gore twitter or facebook if you're talking about money which is what you're asking with revealing. I mean other than taking pictures of notes and coins. It doesn't strike me as the maced illustrative subjects. And I say that somebody you spent much of the last four years trying to find innovative ways of illustrating articles in the F. T. money section of the weekend newspaper so we wanna do people posting pictures of so instagram's all about pitchers so much more engaging than other social networks and this is where the value of it lies in comparison to the lake facebook. So obviously money isn't certainly something that that comes across as visual however these months to governors are using visual tools to spark an emotional response to money so the user lakes of colorful stationary calligraphy to get their message across or instagram. Some Lake to cola spoke. Well I like that and you identified various different kinds of communities of people on instagram. Who a united because they follow each other or they use hashtags to Make sure that they're all talking about the same thing. Like the Hashtag debt. Free communities particularly interested me Yeah so within the personal finance community on Instagram you have what content marketers lake call traipse tribes so these are sort of micro communities within the bigger instagram community You have your frugal tapes and your budgeters to show how to live a fulfilling life on a budget. Then you also have your parental bloggers who talk about the financial realities of Payden Hoot These provide support and inspiration. And then there's also a safe from these. You have your investment tapes and your fire crew which is financial independence retire early. Yes no I've written before about financial independence retire early. This is a US movement. I think could say people who Advocate saving large amounts of their disposable income. As young people like self says they can stop work or achieve greater work life balance Later on in life largely through investing in Lakers Tracker Fund so interesting that the kind of investment community is gaining a lot of people who are doing fire of money. They're not people who a young populous. This is true yes so it just shows the many sheets of the personal finance community. You have your people who have a lot of money on are showing to invest and use that money but then you also have the other end of it like the date free community that you talked about and people who are really struggling on using the APP as a we to 'em connect with other people and strive towards being debt free now as somebody who's written a lot about that in Britain certainly financial conduct authority. This week said the nearly eight million Britons are in serious levels of of problem data. She's a worry. I really like the fact that people are using the instagram platform to be really up close and personal about how. They're dealing with their debt problems because such to be subjects. I mean it takes the average person improper debt more than two years before they'll consider fainting up. That help line is something I learned last year which is just a staggering statistic and one of the people who you interviewed in your article. She'd been so open about paying down her credit card debts Revealing how much sheet and paid and different post. How much was left if she'd made a slip up and she says She still being contacted even now that she's has paid off that debt by say many people who are seeing those posts now for the first time and learning In their own journey people say to becoming debt. Free is definitely. I think that that's one of the things that really became apartment. Talking to these ends to Gummer's was that The the support that they got from the community when they just post a simple thing like saying this is how much I paid off even if it was really small mon or a Begemann it really helps them on this journey as a lot of the people to call it and let them keep going and it gives them a little bit of a boost because as we know money and mental health or really interconnected. And sometimes when you're on your feet turn it can few lonely only so in cigar makes it feel a little less so so clearly. There are lots of things happening on on instagram. That we can agree a good but there are also things. Unfortunately that we can definitely agree about INSTA- scams is how it's been summed up. Yes so last year. The Yuki authorities warned that hundreds of instagram users. I'm had been suckered and to promise of high returns and losing nearly nine thousand pounds on average about instagram. Has Our help each? That helps you to report these scams. So if anything doesn't seem right if people are offering you large returns for 'em small amounts then you should probably go on that page and reporter as suspicious. Well thanks for running us through your piece Catherine if anyone wants to read it by the way we have put it on Instagram An is free to read on Dot Com slash money finance on instagram. What's not to like is the headline to lookout for but Jason Butler. I'm GonNa Bring you in now. I mean what are the things that you noticed about screamer? Somebody who is? I think young people will call lurker. You've had a look at it but you're not actively Posting Graham yourself yet that may change. What struck you about the platform. Well it's like everything Financial Pornography as I called. It is everywhere. So there's a lot of noise out there and you think instagram's I always say to people you don't think about social media platforms. Where do you think about? Is the message soon. The intention the motivation and ultimately what's going to the house someone's GonNa react to a message or content and all the instagram is is a means is a platform for which people can connect with as got through saying tribes on micro communities or certain groups of people but like Channel Four when it first opened in the eighties. You could you could remember a client of mine who is very high appetite and he said. I can target. I sort of a guy guys in their twenties easier through that medium than any other time in the eighty s in terms of advertising reach. And it's the same with instagram. So so you've got to. You've got us or copy on. The noise is a platform. It's it's very very noisy platform but it has limitations in terms of what it can actually get through so the good thing is that I say is that they are innovative ways that you get people thinking becoming self aware and be. Kinda as you say wherever it staring difficulties. We've owning up to that and taking some action and doing something about the all. The fire movement so in my case strong views about fire as a movement as a principal for becoming financial independent is a great thing. But don't feel so bad if you don't want to become part of our community and be financially independent thirty five and a bad person so so the inspires people. I've seen some great inspiring wacko hooks in there. But then when you dig through some of this some of the people are charlatans or even wacko unconsciously incompetent. They don't actually know what they're doing. They're they're content creators. You've just happened to have come across for personal finances as another hook and some of them are willing tension and his you as we found with scammers some actually have ill intent and one thing the. I was really struck by immediately. Nativist is the number of women on instagram. Who have built up massive followings many of them Americans the budget mom. We talked about in the piece really like her But also young people and women in general are exactly the kind of people that the mainstream financial services industry is not really talking to a moment. So should we? Should we really be surprised? Instagram is becoming a form they can express themselves in. Yes. They've been disenfranchised groups definitely young people and female and to a lesser extent. Some racial groups as you say in different countries but I think I think what you're actually seeing is that money really is. An emotional contract is an abstract thing and is actually more about emotion about the stories. You tell yourself about the the the excuses you give yourself about the impose you have about the voids that you need to feel about addictions you've got so few whatever it is or or or even you wanNA break to the well to make yourself feel better on you on your great whatever it is. It's an emotional thing. Money's just one of those excuses to connect with people emotionally and when you realize that money is an emotional thing it's not about and that's test aspects of the need to functionally but mostly money is an emotional behavioral issue and therefore if if people can connect with you. Catherine was saying earlier in motion. -Ly then you've got tension and attention is the big problem so yeah I think I think I think that's the reason. Why some of these micro groups but particularly females and young people can team because we much more open now about feelings are mental health and and money and mental health is is up there with you know breathing and eating absolutely interesting. The eastward telling stories about money Jason because one of the things that Catherine has explained to me over. The last few weeks is how to do a story on instagram. He wants to enlighten any other similarly middle aged people who listening on Instagram as a lot people. No you can post your standard Post which is basically the picture that comes up under you to say that she can also use the story function which basically means that you can put up a pet or a video and it lasts for twenty four hours and its associated with your account for only that long. So you can put up. Maybe if you're an event or if you're cooking something nice dinner and will be there for tweet. Whatever's an disappear but if you don't want it to desapite after twenty four hours you can make it a highlight function with on your page. So for instance when clear last week asked me highway west of my profile She made a love LILLO collection. Abo- about your ask where to get the best overdraw. Yes function to be able to tell stories and I think that's a law of these answer gummer's from peril finance gummer's are doing is using it. As a we tell stories to share information with people and to educate WH- certainly if you want to follow the F. T. on instagram at Financial Times I think's nearly two million people who are doing that. Sadly there's any about four hundred people who follow me. I'm at clube. Jason said our obsessions come out on social media and mine is mostly sunny with saving money. cooking thrifty meals and collecting him in bridgewater monks but moving swiftly on Catherine referring inspired by some of the comments that he readers left On your piece not all of them have to say particular fans of Instagram. Although many of them found it very interesting to have this insolence into a young person's financial world I was particularly interested. One comment from Wollo said personally. I can't stand social media. Finance Gu's the intensely smug we paid off our mortgage in our thirties. Humble braggers the Index Fund. Fan Boys Parenting. The same ordered vase ad nauseam the street or lifestyle scammers et. Cetera ET CETERA. However someone else and the F- phenomenology of logic said him snide remarks from old school F. T. Seti tapes won't dent the undeniable expansion of INSTA- into eightieth scarcely imagined a couple of years ago. I mean it is interesting. The way that it's kind of divided The the commentators the one that really made me laugh with somebody saying why does everything have to be a journey? Yes and then someone actually replied to shouldn't be a trip so which was quite funny. An unknown other comment that me laugh was Mitchell mindset and style cat videos and tech dances and another mentor replied journeyman replied. It's Qa to your own viewing habits. So apparently that's all you've clicked tone. Well mess with these young people's tools at your peril. I think is the US in our stay with US Kathryn. Because we're going to turn the tables now on the anti money show. We've heard Jason Tennis. What he thinks about Catherine's article on Instagram but two weeks ago in his wealth man slot Fifty year old Jason Rate an article in which he explored the things that he wished he knew about money when he was twenty one years old. Now Jason a lot of the things in this Oscar were aimed at your daughters who are not much younger than Catherine. Twenty one and sixteen say are developing their own stories about money Can I say but the advice that you're giving people in this article the things that you wish you had known when you were twenty one took us through a few of those yes so we all have a different perspective on life and money? Obviously when I was putting together my list it was kind of looking at it from all the mistakes and my own upbringing so everyone will have a different perspective. And this wasn't to say this is what you must do. If you're young person it was to say this is what I've learned with my journey. You might come up with different answers. If you've had a different different frigging use that journey word but the issue there was about the meaning of money was one that I was really keen for them to understand that you hear people either are obsessed with money or I think the the root of all evil Unites Biblical terms. You know everyone's horrible and actually money isn't good or bad a toll money's just a means of exchange it's just a means of measurement when it's what you do with the money and how you earn your money which is probably more important than anything so money has the meaning that you give it and I always say here that although it can alleviate sadness stephanie because if your skin and we know if people are in debt and they don't know where the next living paycheck to paycheck or or going to be thrown out accommodation. That's a terrible thing. Terrible way to live a money indefinitely. Might you happier in terms of getting rid of sadness and hardship but money itself compensate you happy and fulfilled just to be rich for the sake of it. I mean yes you can be you all. The studies showed if you have more money than most people you have a higher chance of being happier but on its own. It want because if you don't use it in the right way be use it in a way that's intentional with what's important to you and that makes you feel like a human being. Decent human beings got some purpose then is probably not going to help you now. I think one of the biggest problems for young people nowadays is obviously the property market. If you'RE GOING TO INHERIT WEALTH. And that's probably one of the surefire ways that you can that you will end up aiding your rain house in. Feature. But in the meantime people who are saving lots of money tools. Housing Deposit for many is finding quite hard to achieve the same financial milestones. That generations previous student would have found much easier to reach. Housing is a big issue And as I sit in in my sabbatical you really want to have your housing. And your commuting costs whether that's renting or buying certainly not more than thirty to thirty five percent of your earnings obviously in London. That's more difficult mon possible. Who I say. No no he's supposed to books. I did research on this as a company I do work with shadow refinance and the vast majority that people are under the age of thirty five and I asked ten people and most of them were between twenty. Five and thirty. Four percent was was housing and commuting costs so the issue here is not these difficult. We know it's difficult but that you might have to rethink your career. It might be the actually. There is a job in you call so that is a tech job actually when you actually add up the total cost of housing and the salary that is actually a better quality of life you we. The problem is people think are London's where the jobs are or it's really expensive or isn't really difficult. Well reverse engineer it back. I'm not saying what were the answers. I'm just saying reverse engineer backstage. Where could I work where there was a great stimulating job? That could help me build my human capital where I could have a social life where I wasn't spending two hours. Commuting and negative cost the neighborhood me to not just enjoy life auto put some money aside and avoid debt so. I think that was. The Point. Is Not to say it wasn't easy. He isn't but think about it in a different way. Where could I have that quality of life? Where could I have that career where could have ability to save and avoid that now when you were twenty one? What all the things that you suggested in your article is the piece of information that you really wished you had known developing Good Money Habits. Dighly money habits learning to say no more and and to sort of and just be a little bit more contrived. I hired a nightclub for my twin third birthday and I spent two thousand pounds on it. I mean what lunatic does that. I mean it's just some of it and it was a great party. I was going to say even to this day. Pumping too who say that. The party I know damn well. They weren't because I never invited them. Second Host Comedy Bianca Jagger but we certainly had a few things going on and it was great fun nevertheless it was great. But I'm using is an extreme. I I didn't even think about the long term I d I just I was going to be young and lots of money and I never needed to worry. And it wasn't so much that I've tried to keep myself physically mentally well but I just I just wish I'd got into better daily habits earlier and it was really getting married. My wife suggesting that she might want we want one stop family and had to sort of you know so the get serious. I just wish I'd done that five or six years earlier doesn't mean I wouldn't be socializing a few less holidays. Perhaps not such a flash car. It's not so much socializing and not having you know tailored suits and stuff you know just just just a little bit of less ex- excess would have set me up for greater because I saw my first property in las seventeen thousand pounds because both in one thousand nine hundred ninety four and that was a property crash. So that's just another thing. Is that just because properties dumb rudy. Well it doesn't mean you're always going to be floated out problems and you've got to prepare for when life throws you curve. It's not if it's when and the big problem people don't think of is they don't plan for when the when it's going to rain fixed the roof when the sun's shining and one other you know having a two thousand pounds to when you haven't gotten any savings. I'm sorry if just got to make some key priorities because if the price of having that Tattoo and no savings when you lose your job or you get ill or something happens with your call means you've got no money and you have to get into debt. It's so small choices every day. The really You are responsible. And that's one of the reasons why we kept saying that you essentially earlier. A lot of people find it difficult to fess up about debt nine because I put the on to overdraft Nozomi twenties despite earning a lot of money and the reason is is because when we have to. We have to own up to problems. All the fact we haven't saved enough or we can't afford a house or whatever it is and sometimes that's genuine. This is not your own fault but for many of us it reflects the fact that we feel stupid. We feel guilty. We feel shame we feel embarrassed about the fact that we haven't been better with money than we should have done. And also the fact that many people who are who basting about their lifestyle and their purchases On platforms like instagram might be lying or in the case of some ace or shoppers. Buying clothes trying them on taking your face and then sending them back Catherine. You're smiling at me. I'm sure that you are not one of the people that as sources banned from its site from this practice. But you Jason's column when it came out. See if you want to read is on Eddie Dot com slash money at the moment. What would you like to ask Jason from the point of view of a twenty four year? Old Seeking Advice. Read your call him and actually said to the I was going to put them apart. Because it's all types that I really need to my life. One stood out to me and it said the good news is you'll have a longer working life during which to save and accumulate wealth. So my question is how can as a millennial and agenda Gen z. How can we feel optimistic about having to work in our seventies and eighties when peace generations than to do that? We're good news is you'll you should be able to have more choices to the work. So all the studies show and I'm not saying what's important to you but for so for instance. I'm fortunate that I'm financially independent. As long as we don't go berserk on spending your own mind boats and nine houses but you know I choose to it because I light working right now. I'm saying that to be smug I'm saying this is my choice. The thought of not working and I just happened to get paid for. I do but the thought of not working fills me with dread. Because he's a key part of my life and I like doing what I do. And it gives me fulfillment and purpose. So what I'm trying to say is that it's not about the drudgery of job you height. It may be that you have to do things you don't like the on your passion or aren't your big cooling just to earn money initially but over time the ability to keep earning money through gradually doing things that you really like and the are in balance with the other things you want to do. It means not necessarily working as intensely but press for longer and I know lots of people who are working two or three days a week only as much earning five or six days a week but still time for other things and I enjoy that because they actually now kind of know what they're doing so I think I think if you really hate working in and you'll be calling is to be an artist and unknown but that no one's ever GonNa buy your until you did that may be more tricky but I think it's actually supposed to be a negative. I think personally if you can find what you're good at eventually you don't have to be all through your life and you can find things that you can also deliver value to others and get paid for that value then. I think that's a good thing. So if you've got longer all this idea of I've read various articles including the F. T. Says you got to save so much money and you live on Baynes and you know rivals forever on. You've got to spend anything on holiday. Your terrible person. I'm saying that the little for longer means money's more time to work for you and if that means that you can work part time even if it's a job that you're not one hundred percent right but you can have more time to do other things than I. I think it's A. It's a blessing in the sense. That is just a different way of looking at it because naturally we wanna think about all the pain and what we haven't gone and we want to blame a previous generation. You had easy and all that we never had the internet. We now have social media. We have we could never start businesses. Were micro-financing we. There was none of this stuff. I mean we used to go to the library to look up stuff. Do you remember your young still a member of several libraries. So does that it sort of does he give you a sense. Again side hustles. I know someone. Who's doing counseling in a sixties? She stopped his nurse and she's only almost as much as she was as a nurse. As a counselor and she only does it three days a week and she loves it so yes from that apart from what you said about clear have bitter attitudes towards money of all of this advice you given your column. What advice would you see to begin with for a young person who's never budgeted unless paycheck to paycheck? First thing you've got to do. Is You go to build your cash buffer and what you have to do is if you don't decide where your money goes before it comes in and yet the the the term from America was give every pound of job or every daughter a job so unless you decide where every penny is GonNa go as I always say two thousand pound a month to spend on fun fun just anything I want to spend on. That could be done to nightclubs. Well whatever coffees or whatever I don't have to worry but I put that money aside and said is my wife and we don't have to answer to each other we don't have to. She's always running big balance. I'm always down to a pound so I'm was asking for strategic transfers from her and she said no way Jose but the point is we decide where money goes at the beginning of the month if you can get into the habit of doing and that means making allowance for socializing making allowance for all those impulse purchase making allowance for the holiday. I'm those stacked do's and all the Tattoo you whatever it is Mike Allowance for the beginning amount so that you then have got spice for building. Cash Reserve building savings a bit more in the pension building a house from whatever it is but he's being intentional and also giving yourself permission to spend the fund money as well as somebody. He is the younger Jason of C. Older Newcastle I would add to that number one. Do not get a tattoo things when we step shoulder doubt. Let me see a tattoo when you go into the bathroom but as I found in my own life definitely decide what you're going to do with the money at the beginning of the month but I also find it quite helpful to decide roughly what I'm GonNa do with the money at the beginning of the year because you always get three days between Christmas and New Year and being sat sack Finance journalist I will say to my husband like where we wanna go on holiday this year. Roughly how much is that going to cost AK so how much we can have to save? Tools funding Nice goals. What likely expenses we're going to incur in the form of the children in a like one of them had an expensive dental implant on the cards for awhile which is on the Barrett House or shopping list but all say things like tax bills which can be variable. How much money are we going to need to put aside For those now I mean if you're a young person then yet you'd be looking at housing. Deposits may be saving up to do a master's degree and lots of young people. Who Want to do that? And it's just kind of looking at. How is it possible to put a bit of money aside every month that can make some more of these goals possible but little bits of organization can go along way because then if when you paycheck comes in you've got money going out to savings account a new? You can only get about one point. Three percent interest which is now sadly less than today's inflation figures but it's like the separation of like putting in that money somewhere different. That will stop you from. It's not the India is not an interest. Cash is about giving you options. It's about making financial calamity or even if there is something they haven't budgeted for that you really do want to deal with it. Gives it means a drama just becomes an inconvenience. It's not if it's when you can just handle it and I wrote a blog on my own website Last year about how to get control of all your spending and ease this irregular but inevitable spending rivers the call servicing the holiday or whatever it is Christmas presents that you have to factor in the beginning of the year and put an amount of side. So if you're earning fifteen hundred pounds a month and you think you're spending twelve hundred will actually if you actually spending four hundred pound four thousand eight hundred twenty on other stuff. That's actually sixteen hundred pound a month. You're spending one hundred pound a month more than you're owning. So unless you get grips with. That doesn't matter how much you earned lifestock creep the ability for your spending continually rise and sometimes quicker than your earnings means that you'll never make space for buying a house building retirement funds. Building Emergency Fund and. He's Not Complicated. But the thing here is this is all about having fun now is not about living like a monk on writers so that you can have the golden time you know when you're thirty five because that isn't real for most people is about having commission so that when you go and spend frivolously on stuff that makes fun and interesting spontaneous that you're not derailing yourself on the rest of life and that's why we created the money on track system. Which is this one year planner? Which is where you can say everything from your your when your utility bills come up for renewal you'll broadband all that. So you can actually on your core stuff as well Mike Allowance and make course corrections. What did you think about will of advice the US old farts Catherine? I think it's brilliant. I think also to bring back in the instagram accounts and instagram personal finance accounts as kind of what they are also doing at the medicine and the cheese is a Trojan horse as Gummer's late to call a as just remained in people that as long as the plan and they put a name to their money and they're just a bit more conscientious about that can be easy to be a chore. Just being assay being intentional being aware working out was important. And it's not about NOT-I'm load times a little bit of time and it's not about being easy is about being easier and we're all on her own journey right definitely. Well at which point the journey for this podcast is reached. Its final stop. Thank you very much for joining us. Am Claire Barratt. Ft money editor. We will be back next week at the usual time. If you would like to contact us about a feature item for the pocus you can email me. Money AT DOT com. Follow us on twitter at eft money and instagram. Financial Times is the accounts of. We'll be back next week. Usual time goodbye.

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NYC Season - Ep 4: Ian Schrager

Table Manners with Jessie Ware

48:55 min | 2 years ago

NYC Season - Ep 4: Ian Schrager

"Jesse my saying really pretty today. Major Nefer make upon where black my favorite color came on. I tell you why have made Neffa today because we have the founding owner fifty four, and I didn't want him going through his mind he'd be not even in. So I made it. And also with you and speaker, we don't have nieces we adjusting this awake. Ally was making. Yes, you do. And I've learned from really shit, selfies the I live makeup lip peak. Really? Must be that pregnancy glow as well. Yeah. I think. Have. Many grants. Today. We have I've kind of introduced him. But today, we have among all Khan in New York icon, his cO -tural icon, a stylized Khan and a scene icon. Yeah. I mean, he's like the king of seen the scene of the his name is intrigue. And he was one of the two partners founder founders of shooter fifty four the most iconic discotheque cut in the world. Yes. But especially in New York in the seventies. He's quite the journey from starting shooting fifty four Lama with his partner Steve rebel who actually passed away. Two going to prison for tax charges to then having to restart and now is forty one of the biggest hoteliers entrepreneurs in the world and has some of the most successful hotels in the world. And I'm so excited to speak to him about some of that time in studio fifty four and also his hotels now, and how he's still kind of the scene king wondering whether he's a bit fussy because we got an Email from his publicist saying he was quite he needed a Starbucks Grun day, bold. Half and offers on the side that he pulls in and slim Perez and foof fat toke. Now, we did happy Perez and then we freaked out. So we went and found some periods. So I'm interested to see whether that's come from him or whether he's the first port whether he's about first support what made him I've made Linis just because it's for New York after noon, he's only here for an hour. Just a little something to go with a drink. But I bet you won't eat anything. I think he's probably one of those people. But does he. Yeah. Right. Unlike us. Yeah. We have intrigue in Chelsea. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you very much. I watched your documentary. I felt the documentary was great. And you will you happy with that? Yes. Because I feel like you must have had involvement in it. Because I did wasn't a film. I wanted to make right, but because it came out well. Because it Harrow a drama to it because I trusted Matt I went along with it. I came across radio to me who so I'm singer, first and foremost in that I decided to do this podcast with my mom, and we invite guests over and it we talk about food and food memories. But it always kind of escalates into different bits and bobs. Maini record. I making is very kind of paying homage to this kind of eighties disco. I mean urine seventies. And it wouldn't have happened. But for me, it was so exciting just to see those faces and to see the world, and I just kind of. It just seemed like such a whirlwind in the it was only what thirty six months thirty three thirty three months, and I just wanna know about that party. I won't talk about your hotels and everything, but I just want to know about the party before you went to jail, if you're happy super the fact that knowledge is said it was almost bigger than the opening party. You know? You know, Diana Ross playing. I really wasn't in the mood for. This idea it, man. Took on a life of its own and always trying to show a storm side. But you know, we're going to jail tomorrow. But though party kind of something incongruence about it. But and I really didn't want to go. I would rather spend time with my girlfriend at the time. However, I thought if I didn't go my absence would be very conspicuous. So I I I needed to go was you from any pissed off. She I want a night in with you. And it wasn't so much data. Just wasn't really celebratory time. Right, which she a famous person, you'll girlfriend at the time. She was passionate on. And you know, just I think it just shows you how wacky the whole thing was for us to have a party. Yeah. Going to jail the next day. Crazy. The hangover was pretty bad the next day. I'll never forget, you know, we were like kind of catatonic as Steve and really don't realize until you actually hit the door slam behind you that, but it was fun. Steve Steve had a really good time. And I I had a really good time because he had a really good. It seems like with your partnership, Steve and about a new kind of quiet a little mysterious one. That was in the background may be. And Steve was like he was the person that had. I mean, this is what the documentary says he would he be there? Everyone knew him a imagine high-fiving everyone knowing everybody, and that's amazing like amazing clip in the documentary where Michael Jackson comes in and Steve's getting interviewed and he goes and he's chatting about the club. And he goes, hey, Michael yet and Mike will come. Over. And he's like, hey, Steve always looked after me. It's like the people watching somebody like me just to see that's you'll that was every night somebody or other. You must have been exhausted. Yes, it was when Monday came around which were dark. Stephen I will just completely wiped out go to dinner and chat about things. But it was really a totally consuming like holding onto a lightning bolt can explain what what sorry why was it cooled studio fifty four because it was called studio fifty two because it was a TV studio for some reason because it studio fifty two we just changed it to studio fifty four because fifty four th street and people performed live there or just before you. But then it was too. But then it was just DJ's who would you believe in having performances because we thought you wanna risk of stopping the party. And if you stop the party, you you may not be able to get started again. There's a kind of the momentum built up an energy some inexplicable thing that that happens. And so we would have moments during the evening that would goose tonight, but they would never last more than a minute. And they would never stop the party. They were meant to enhance it to push it to new level. You know, when you're watching performance, it could be very exciting suppose, but it's very static. Yes. I mean when I'm a wedding. I liked the wedding band for like two songs, and I'm like give me the DJ. Do you know what I mean? I saw on those Monday nights Yoon, Steve, you say, you went out for dinner was that I could place used to guard that was there a particular meal that you'd kind of be that. Frankie and Johnny's. It was a steak place. I've heard on the second second level of felt a little bit. It was a speak easy. When. -lica- wasn't legal and it was upstairs and quiet. Wait did right. Steak and just sorta catch up catch your breath. And that was the night that time magazine, and Newsweek magazine and all the magazines came out. So we would go home and very magazines and see the face the penalty breast, but still kind of working flicking for saying what kind of result of joy, ab- light. But it was it was just not stop. It was nonstop for. It lasted. I mean, the non stop activity by us last for more than thirty three months, but you know, during when studios open it was just a nonstop. World wind. Did you like the shoot if full movie? No, why had nothing to do with reality. It was. Next plantation. It was it was probably one of the only movies Miramax time. Did wasn't wasn't any good? It was just it. Just wasn't good. I didn't like it can want to be part of it. And so I guess doing having the chance for this documentary to come out. I mean, you you featuring a law, and it's your, you know, I think you come across brilliantly that was more control that. And would you did you are? You know, what it is? I didn't you know. I wanted to do the film. I went and I wouldn't matter. Now, I went in and I bought in John Bassett from London very accomplished producer who recently did life in twelve balls. Whatever clapton. And I wanted to do the film. My idea to film was to kind of connect all the dots. What happened? Why did it happen so on and so forth, but I trusted Matt? And I was willing to be completely open and honest thinking that I be able to convince him if I didn't want to use something that was a thing to me. You know, people forget the bad stuff forty years ago. Why don't want to talk about the bad stuff? But that's like he has a FOX if he's in the chicken coop. Don't eat chickens. Once I started telling him about. He wanted to use it, look, you know, it's dramatic and compelling and nobody ever really heard it before. And you know, so my designed to be involved with something good. I went along with it. It's a big day in America today. It's the mid Tom's voting and just kind of go back to the documents. You said something you the right of voting taken away from you. And you say how how when you realize when you have that freedom and that it was. It was awful. And I know that Barack Obama pardoned you, but does it mean that you get your vote back? God thank God. So you got it back only what like two years ago. The pardon. Crikey. Can I ask you today? You know, you do something like what what Stephen I did the punishment isn't only going to jail or whatever taking everything away. It's like taking rep lots stripping your uniform taking everything away from you part of the process. But you know, we showed that that process worked for us. You know, we made a mistake we paid our price. You know, we picked us up and went on and became successful again. So we're kind of proof that system works and have you today? Yup. Good. I guess you'll never know again writing I time in a long time home. Well, you need to vote. Everybody needs. Yeah. That you do. Yeah. I'm do you still live in New York? And you you are a New Yorker Jewish. So we measure, we've family religious. You know, I'm not mart. My my family was somewhat religious. My grandfather was rabbi. Oh. But moral a more respectful for my heritage. And you know, I observed the holidays, and I want my son to have about Mets for her. And but in in terms of religious, keeping the Sabbath and things like that. I don't do that. She sounds like I'm we shrimp. Exactly because it's delicious. So you you were up whereabouts in Brooklyn. And you've got the accent. I think you haven't lost in thought I was from London. I love your accent hate that. Because people is that the most wonderful Brooklyn is such a good one gentrified. Now Brooklyn never thought I'd go back really litter. No, no, no. But you know, when I grew up your goal was to get out and move on. Now people going back, I guess the same way they went back two years ago when he to expensive in New York Manhattan, people moved to Brooklyn say where did your parents come from? What's yours? Born here their parents came from my father's side came from Austria. I'll see my mother's side came from Russia say your family's like where your family big on Jewish cooking Jewish food. My mother what was best Jewish dish. I mean, everything I mean, she used to make way to the fish, everything, you know. And and my father really liked it as well. We all we all really liked it. And you know, the house smell Jewish. Yeah. I know that it's like my grandma's. Always has the faint smell of chicken. Broth something. And why would you go for good chicken soup in New York? Now, boy, I don't know tens one restaurant downtown called. Sammy's Romanian favorite ahead of it. That that you know, there are restaurants that are Kosheh. Yeah. But does. Jewish. Yeah. Samuel menu. Does. He do. Everything's good light. And. House. I love house lots of garlic. Lots of garlic. Grumble used to make is like you can stuff the the skin of chicken a new stuff. It was stuffing the new we've Archer. Very health. So my from he lives here. He's a nice Jewish boy. And now he lives in LA. So I just sent him a package of Rawson daughter smoke summon bagels because you can't get good bagel in LA tell you. So I am I want to know because oversleep you are. I mean, what would you would you? Call yourself a hurt on hotel of your kind of ever think. Right. Not to procure guess could call me Oto, you won't can we talk about your hotels because some of your hotels some of well for me. I remember you have the Hudson. And I remember when my sister was living in New York, and it was like the place to go. And it was those big that big escalator and kind of going into space or something like that. And it didn't feel like signed it Philippe stock that was that was one of his, but you work with him quite quite law. And also the addition hotels eve, which I really really love have have you been to every one of your hotels. What's what's been the hardest project? The grandma barcode relay what made it so home because it wasn't my anomalous Dedic. It was more of an intellectual exercise for me doom something much more decorative in baroque than what I previously done. And so, you know, I didn't have an instinctive feel about it. So I had to think about everything, and, you know, having think about everything and having to like get a little bit intellectual about it doesn't come quite natural. And I wasn't sure of myself, you know, with it because it was something. I'd never done before very baroque. Very operatic. Very over the top, you know, where I usually try to things very simple and restrained provocative, but simple, and that's been happening since studio fifty four when you decided to kind of higher. The booed way lighting designers to our truly a luck. Really, you know out of because that time that what I call the garage age of nightclubs where the technology how to garage for everything was being made in garages rock and roll out of garage phase to business took over both those things that time nightclubs very young industry. You know, you painted everything at a record play you in business. So we're only a couple of guys that were doing the nightclubs at that time, we Sheens was doing in Paris. And so all the people we could've worked with the usual suspects withhold to work with us for competitive reasons, I suppose. Right. So we had a very timeframe we had to get open. Because if we it opened after that everyone would start leaving for the summer. So we had to get open. Of people would leave get a taste of what it was. And so we colliding garner sound guy it only one of each. We couldn't one work with us. So we had a the pull something out of a hat and going to Jules Fisher, Paul Morand was really a seminal event. For the place in for me because I never worked with someone so capable so brilliant before so in very expansive for me and having come from the theater, it was their idea to use flywheel, which is what used to pull scenery in and out. It was there intact who they said you should use that. Okay. And everything, you know, went from there was that how you have the like moving of the sun and the moon, but you kind of take people through sunset and to. Yeah. It just it sounds like such kind of immersive experience. Soap every sense, everyone every touch field taste smell sight everything. And then those out bloody CPJ's in Las Vegas went. And kind of Boston is all that. Think it's different ways. He looked back. You can connect the dots. I think I pay my sixty dollars a night. I remember one time DJ came in that is name in neon and put it on deejay booth. I practically jumped off the balcony to get his name off their no it was just different time. And now some of these deejays in IB make twenty five thirty million dollars a year. So, you know, the, but but but Neil look behind it, it, it it is turned that business to teachers become entertainment, and it's a different business. But then it was it was much more spontaneous. And you didn't have to know anything. You know, student Defoe course Mia for hundred thousand dollars to and. When we did a second nightclub any never new idea that cost me ten million. Played that we and that was often came out of prison. He did. And I yeah. Wow. That's a big difference in. How many is is that different Palladio's eighty five eight years? Yeah. But Tuvia was the original idea yet, which you know, as no correlation with the amount of money spent and play him wasn't a new idea. It was just more. And of course, more to studio fifty pool. No D. No. It's still there. I think it's used as a theater. For long running shows, still, basically, they're all the rigging that we did down the floors been leveled put still that who is your most exciting celebrity that used to come regularly. You know, everybody that was a celebrity everybody came to New York you stop there. Yeah. Everyone so act two singers would play rights. I mean, every everybody was there at that time, you know, could have been the Rolling Stones or it could have been made Jagger John Lennon been in particular thrill for me to Scott King was there. I mean, everybody who's the best. So. Belinda. Goes be Bianca Jagger choose to cancel out with this guys. Sterling Saint shock who's a really good dancer. Everybody was there. I was in a room with so many big names, and so many celebrities stacked you actually become numb everybody looks at big celebrity, and you know, what nobody kit night. No. And they will mingle together the beautiful part about can you can you dance. Yep. Do you still like dancing occasionally? Yeah. When you hear disco. Does it send a Shiva for you spine? Do you feel like does it bring you back to that place? No, are I like to discuss music. There was a real to real backlash against it student. Yeah. Maybe studio was responsible for credible. Tacked place like nightclub would have such a long lasting profound impact. Amusing. And on hold show Russia. Yeah. Kind of such Valotti. It was integrated wasn't it. It was very integrated in terms of race gender. Sexuality said it wasn't like gay night. It was just mixed. Yeah. And after the energy. Yeah. Nothing more boring than being in a room full of rich people too. So that that energy combustible energy come from the sparks applied when people who you would know narrowly together through socializing together are in fact doing that. It's so unlikely and that unlikeliness is what creates the energy. That is so thick you could cut it with a knife exciting. So for the people. It was just. The energy was so powerful. I'm glad I got the experience. What was the defining song for you? That is studio. Fifty four song are play every time. I opened up a place called the way of the world. That's the way of the love. Who sung it sound of don't feel? Some reason I've forgotten it. But I love to all of it. I mean, I think I will survive with a very prominent hit. There are a lot of great songs. Great down some songs and. What was the GM of the song that closed studio fifty four like the the loss on plight? And you store you did. Okay. My out on tall. And I wanted to I want to see this is I just want to hear about dancing. I kind of feel like there wasn't that much food involved in studio fifty four I mean the during drugs, right? Yep. I used to think about it at a food food at a party can't really but earned it. Okay. Well, you to issue me. Okay. Are you talking about, you know, like, you know, because I think people there for for socializing, and for camaraderie in having fun and meeting people, and so, you know, in the kind of like, a three hundred person party, and all I think I think and maybe I'm wrong that the food can hurt it if it's not done. Well, doesn't taste good? If the services bad ten people come away talking ill about it. But you know, but if you have a dental, poppy. Yeah. Food after people came late didn't they eaten at and say people started it was late, you energize ready. People started at midnight. Can I ask how the food was imprisoned? Was it just? Pick-up scrambled eggs. Stick to get a place. I was in the used to come around and give. Sedation to some of the. Prisoners also. I guess they were very aggressive. So it was like trading with the Pels remembering goal that food is terrible. No effort. It was it was subsistence. Terrible. How many more hotels? Do you have in the making at the moment? Like, how many jobs do you have going moment of the kind of developing working out about the forty in colty? You must be exhausted. Oh, you know, what as you get? Get older mom. Yeah. You know, you kind of figure it out. Yeah. You know what you're doing? Yeah. And you know, you don't agonize over every issue. He kinda know the universe of abilities. There's only certain amount finite solutions to and you get more confident because you've been to it. I find that I can do and working with Marianne I can do much more than I than I thought before it much much more expansive for me. So I don't to stop them retire and gone. Have bake glide lame is in Hawaii. I'm lucky I love what I do. Yeah. So when you love what you do to have gone day Letica. Everyone of you. No. Well, we have one. Then if you your hotels, which. In Miami have an apartment in one of the hotel's nice. But you know, can go anywhere like wherever, you know. Homes homes. We relax, and you know, we have a young young son. And it's difficult getting all the girls together when they can go with us. You just got one child. No five you've got five four thousand one. Boy, he finally got the boy. Muscle and any of them want to go into the family business. I don't know. I have one may you know, maybe two. I don't care. I want them to just be happy. You know? What's funny? When when I was growing up, my parents wanted a doctor and a lawyer, and they got it. Even. Yeah. But I don't have any bishops for my kid other than the being happy. I agree. Speaking of dogs. She got the I got a boy did may and there's no pressure. If you fancy it if you like the doctor mates and banana bread if you wanted to slice idea, welcome to have some otherwise, we did do some Linis sampling blinis with sour cream, which I did make myself made like little something to eat or. No, okay. But now you love Starbucks was he just like you went for the night. Over that the perfect went. That's the strongest strong coffee. I think it's I don't even drink at all. It's like more of a something to keep me busy. Why to you any light the small Perrier not the big one? I don't know like to take the bottle chug it. I didn't even see it. Okay. To know what we thought you were going to be really, I knew coaches, you just very easy. Now where 'cause you get to eat all over the world because you travel you have hotels all over the world, whereas your favorite food destination. It depends where in in New York. It depends like steak. Okay. So okay. Let's go with New York. We're doing a New York special. So New York some of your favorites places that you get paid. For steak. I like a p Lucas I've had amazing. I mean there are there are others. But that's the best. I like Hobo for Japanese food, even though with kinda unique Japanese food for talion, Putin elected freshman core patsies. Fifty six treat. It's uptown fans. Yours kind of more like is it quite low cares. I mean, there are a lot of big shops and celebrities go the, but they really just go there for the food. Okay. Jesse? What going what's your favorite sort of food? I like all kinds of fruit like. I like it all. Every night. No, art. We stay home. You stay him very bad my reputation. Stay home is your wife, a very good cook. We have a cook. But she cook. And we try need it home. And you know, it's like this point in my life having done everything and been there and done that moso, you know, to me it's about loving my work and and loving bending time with my family, what's on the menu tonight. I don't know shit surprise. So it's a surprise you like it being spies. But will you be like, listen, can you just do that meet life this week, or whatever we you kind of make time? Okay. What do you have for lunch? Oh, I had a salad. With a kale and kale? Get my mom started on cow. She's sick to death of. They deserve. Everybody care in the states. They looked like piece of kale soon. I'm cutting you people into health, and and so we also law gas as this poker table manners. We asked whether you think you have good table manners. Do. Okay. I'm what would what you worst Haberman? Or if you're sitting with somebody did not you cannot tolerate in the other person taking food eating out of a bladder a with their folk not using this spring, very common in some countries. Like, we go to Greece. And that's how they eat. They share. They just pick sharing one and they smoke at the same time as they're eating sharing his one big o on your sharing. That's different. But you know that in eating cross contamination. Fine. Just Corky thing. Feels like that. Start eating before everybody gets. Oh, you went to jail. Did you have a kind of loss meal before you were going to have horrible food? No. After stand. We were in a day as we didn't know what to expect them. Everything was unreal. We didn't think we lost our way because we're friends with the same people. We weren't living in a very ostentatious way. So we had a feet on the ground. Little did. We know that we had got completely intoxicated. What success, but there's nothing you can do to prepare yourself that. So it's like jumping in the water and not knowing what of cold or whether it's deep you, very wise. I mean, you not bit retool that you ended up going to prison acepting of the facts you become Betty, then you've lost. Yeah. You've everything. It's true. That the one thing I couldn't afford to lose. Losing my until Azam for life for becoming bidder is paying the ultimate cost. And Dr nap the girlfriend at the time stick with it. Okay. So she was waiting for you. Yeah. And people visited you from leeann everything, you know, for the for six months, we were in New York. So a PP's common. Bring smuggled dimes in so we can make phone calls and. Elson renew sneakers, Honey. So we would switch when clever things like how long were you in prison for thirteen months? You Steve in the same prison. They were they didn't spit you up. They you could be. And you were great friends. Great. Never have another friend like that. You'll miss miss him yet, you know, devastating effect on my life. I mean, I die when the young. Yeah. But you know. Been so long ago kinda get anesthetized by pied by all the problems and troubles that happen in life. But you know, who was said when he wasn't around for the partner, and I was saying when I probably got a liquor license back. I love the story that you basically would you'd apply for catering permits kind of every night because the liquor license wasn't gonna come in time for you to open in that like six weeks, you're gonna technically violation by the way. We did. But. Today. We we try to be so protective, I call it a beloved studio fifty four that we almost ruined our lives. And so when when they wouldn't give us a catering permit for that night. We were going to take the risks of going to the weekend because we didn't wanna hurt the business. Then try get a lawyer on a phone and get on Monday is important and the restaurants in your town. Yes. So you've got major share very important. Yeah. On a pack to people from our member when I first met all the people from Marriott. And then and current see your marriage asked me, what's more important the bar or the restaurant the the restaurant because it is a bit and board proposition. You know, you got to have good food. Not only a scene, but the food has to be good too. So now. You know, when I started I was really mean didn't make an sane. But now, I take pride in being available to western that has really good food that when the food is put on the table, and you're eating is just really good to really delicious. So I think. Looks beautiful by many want it to look that useful. Yeah. Not precious precious but nicely presented. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You want to interest about making? Did you say making a scene like up? It means if fitful was like the most famous scene, and I I heard about public which hotel here in New York and correct me if I'm wrong, so it doesn't have a reception. It has people with a new you check yourself in or people don't help you with your bags and things that it's quite kind of can you explain the reason for that? Because you go from doing studio fifty four which feels so kind of elite it it's exclusive to them public feeling kind of like everyone get stuck in. And it doesn't have that cut. If you not on the list, you know, coming, you know, everything changes. Yep. Caused change refrigerated change. And so now. Kind of stepping back and and trying to think what really important people. What are they really care about the people really care about Bellman when everybody's suitcases it on wheels. And they're on wheeled have to walk so much when you're at an airport. So I know when I would go to a hotel. I would be bothered when I would come down into lobby have to give a tip to somebody take my bags outside enough to give another tip that somebody that load it on the call then have to give it another tick someone that closes the door that important to me. No two people need help when they come in. When they have a lot of big. Yes, they do. So with figuring out figuring that out, but it's really an idea of of figuring out what important people, you know. I think when you come into a hotel every single transaction that you perform if it can be done better with technology and without any. Friction and it allows you to get something cheaper. It's better to do with that way. You know, when people say, well, they want the. Personal touch. Baloney. I mean did do people mind getting on their iphone in getting a number from Google rather than calling up an operating elegant opera telling him, but the telephone they don't care about that. You know, it's like we have to unlearn certain things, you know, in in China. Everybody pays with the phone everybody. Here it slow. I know it's slow than an even in the UK crucial to get out of your old habits. So this idea of coming in and checking in quickly and getting right up to your room. It makes sense to check in with a razzle dazzle to it's fun like light phones. It's not an issue. So it just having the nerve to try something new and show people something they wanted to need someone old like me would they help schlep going to have someone helping for the. Okay. There is. From the con- icon lifted. Someone is there to assist you it easier. It makes it cheaper. It's smarter. It's where things are going. Like it or not and attack. What going to be had as this place have a restaurant. Yes, it does. And it has a nightclub yet, which is quite seeming, pumpkin. Things you come to New York. You wanna see the best of New York City, nightlife and York City westerns. So the idea go downstairs, it's all right downstairs, and those places are meant to attract people live here because the people go to a hotel go with the people in Okoh of that to hotels merely doing. Yeah. We we've talked about how much we love the the addition we go to the restaurant the different. Great. I took you then it just fell exciting. We will staying in the hotel. I went never again because it was just nice. I remember having a smack and cheap best MAC and cheese. It's quite phenomenal. With on on the show before Jason great. We're doing a lot of stuff with him all over hotels. Well, most hotels in New York. Have this very dim lighting night though that it's to hide your wrinkles. Is it? He all the reason you can't see after put my life own on. We always like to have to like, we don't use any fluorescent light only internet's and you don't hit like, no people. I understand. We like if you want to look good. So. This is you kind of go for sexy. A purchase is very sexy to see if they do. But I can't overcome time. We'd like to think that it's not too dark, then wind up other people copy. Maybe they make it to dock, but they have different light levels during the day. We have two different ferries. So at night, it's well at night as a certain intensity and eleven o'clock gets dark. So we look good. Okay. So you look good. And you feel good. I have to put my glasses on Bill to see anyone Waleed. You really? The menu demand. You could out everybody. On the list such a pleasure. Thank this is Ramon. Thank much, mom and daughter. Was really interesting. He was lovely. He wasn't a fuss bolt at actual. He did drink his coffee. But he said he just likes to hold the time the second faith team. Yeah. Like a safety. But he was he was fun. Clear is tweet twinkly. I couldn't get over the the dim lighting in the whole of New York's down to him. Look good because he cares about sexy. I'm really enjoyed asking questions. I thought maybe he'd be a bit bored of talking about CD fifty four, but his eyes lit up every time we took him back to talking about it. And that was such a pleasure to say, you know, something that has was kind of that was such a rise in fool with it. And that he doesn't look that badly. He kind of has such memories. And it just how lucky to have had. Such a whirlwind and so excited so exciting and that he still working. So I loved the way he said that studio fifty four wasn't for the leat it mixed race gender. And that's what made it the exciting melting pot and so- Tyne Nommik. Really? I thought it was very interesting. What a pleasure to have intrigue on table minutes in New York, by the way, just well where the world is a fire. I like that Nissan you with your with your diskette homes up. The woman is now pointing finger and sway CO to get into that. With new health care will. Thank you for listening. I'm Jesse on jesse's mom. Mom, you are starting your own mind. 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Grace Jones (w/ Janelle James)

Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead

1:38:55 hr | 7 months ago

Grace Jones (w/ Janelle James)

"And How Hello Hello Yeah you know what it is loaded. Do you know what it be? What it was what it shared? What shall what she is it okay. Susan. I. I'm adapting Shakespeare love but. All Vanek I think you're not adapting or Shakespeare play or adapting Shakespeare. Love a movie about Shakespeare. They're giving out checks left and right to black people for what for sure I. I'm so supportive of you to get in your bag take getting the hell out any big news for you won't allow top. No. We're trying to give you an opportunity to make. Oh Oh to do like a fun bit. For. Sure. All right. Cool. Seventy two ernest because you're such a a great actress that I was like Oh she's like I asked. You. Know. Natalie Portman masterclass really paid off. I believed I believed the truth. Things I would do if we were separated but folks the world we live in, we're doing zoom podcasts we're doing zoo bridget zoo tables and rooms and reads and pudge ups and punch downs. But right now, two years live eddin color is our podcast iconography Iowa debris an ammo via craighead Olivia. Do me a favor. You want. Okay. This is a podcast about icons. This is a podcast or island. I, invite on a guest who tells us someone who they think is an icon and we ask the important question does that person endure today we have on someone super cool. The talk about someone who's maybe the coolest person who's ever lived, but it's a powerful episode but before we do that, I own A. Little bit we talked about the icons of our week. We talk about WHO's moving us this week whose inspiring us this week until I'll kick it to you I. Oh Oh, who's your icon this week via Mike on this week came to me in the moment of I'll call it two minutes before the podcast. Okay. Cool I. I moved of near on two months now, and still nevertheless she persisted and refused to hang up anything all the walls. I'm finally hangings of things up on walls. Okay. Because really powerful of you actually you thank you because here's the thing about me I could go longer. No I know I know it's hard to hang because it's like a real commitment to hangs up. The picture thing. Yes, and also I don't have any frames. There's unlike bigger things that I got I got low frames. Now, I'm trying to buy frames of Michael's DOT com. I'm you know It's obviously. Up suffering I'm persisting, riding, dying and. I'm trying to hang things up but one of the things I got that I'm knocking for I'm just going to hang up raw dare I say No I said it to us. Okay. Keep it rocking. Keep it rolling. And hanging up my Truman show poster. Okay. Poster the Truman show it's going to go in the workspace desks desks, desks base area over Q and I've got offer up. Is it a Truman show poster or is it that print of him walking on like the cloud stairs we not doing? No Prince Baby. Posters I got from FC. Dot. com from a man from Australia who collected limited edition posters and prints from when you worked at a movie theater Oh. That is so fun. Yes. It's sort of elevated view who used to work at Peter and that is true. Yes. The. Physical. A little things I remember about you. GotTa. Commercial. Michelle poster I'm looking at this poster. Drew Jim Carey Jim. Carey really would hard did he? He really he really did go incredibly hard in that movie and in many other movies and that's and that's the thing s era turtles on July your Andy Kaufman man on the moods you know. Even. Like the mask dumb and dumber word. Full physicality he's he's got the range. I also okay. Here's the thing about Jim Carey that I feel like we don't discuss dream boat just like well, that's. Just Canadian swoon guy. Really late in wound guy really when he was hot, he was hot. Absolutely, How do you feel about present day Jim Carey What does that make? You feel I mean you know I'm grateful for everything that he has done. is how I feel OK-. How do you feel but present David Gary. I? Don't like looking at his art, but I'm glad that he has it for him. That's Is is not for me, but is not that's none of my business I. Know. I just like I just want him to be happy. I'm glad he's dating Jedi McCarthy. Well, aren't we all? Yeah but you know it's he's just had so many. He's just had so many ups and downs I think the beard is gone now though which is good I kind of like the beard you did not bad. I don't think it's bad. I, don't think. It. It just. Is it simply just? Like the art it's simply as. Exists as yes and I'll even throw it more use grinch. Is. Home what people are choosing to like surface. Lee Up lived black voices is I've choosing to a whole heartedly conviction uplift, Jim? Carrey. The grinch. Is You um, what's her face Taylor mom and the little girl in that movie I you know I've met she is in that movie. Gave me some sort of complex because I was like I wish I for a while. I was like older not be like that I thought that was close you could have. Oh. The girl knows not the grinch knows it was. Really. Like okay. Cool. Three to get the bridge knows. Would you still love me I want you to go full grinch I don't think you can go like like one eighth grinch. To, go full like. Damn you're not all. I'll think about it. Okay. At Taylor mobs in his girl in. Will I mean? Christine. Bransky of course as. Martha, May who've Your Yes. Yes. And Matt. We actually. Doesn't matter. I don't know. Why he does whatever well Mat Rogers. Has a song from his Christmas album. About the hottest bitch and WHOVILLE. which is like from the perspective of Martha Hoover but a song written by Mariah. Carey if. and it's something that I think that a lot. And Olympia something that you think about a lot at least for this week or. Up to five minutes before the podcast is your icon of the week. So ask. Who are they? Okay. So in kind of complete opposite of you, I've been sitting on that we have recorded in a couple of weeks and been sitting on this waiting it just been you know moving around my mind because. A couple of weeks ago on like A. Morning I was just lying in bed and decided. To Watch every single what's up with that? Keenan Thomson's iconic as. Sketch. And so my icon is Keenan Thompson who has maybe the funniest person on alive I. Think. Just been putting in work for. Decades and decades and decades of flawless work and. Dr Go he. You know let's be clear. Here's the thing every single what's I watch? Maybe five what's up with that in a row and it follows the exact same structure every time in every single time I would certainly cry laughing at something he does. I, my own panic have been rewatching psych well as sort of my journey in this quarantine. Perfection. I've started watching episodes of psych. Says everything you need to know about me a am. I re watched the episode where Gusts reunites with his acapella troupe. All my life has no what I'm talking about and he remaining members of the Cappella troupe one passed away the other Jalil white the third Keenan Thompson of course and also this revisal I'd even work even in TV I know it's in the works but like he's just good like he's perfect but he's so funny he's so funny I let her I'm like, oh, he should be in movies and like he should be you know he should be like will ferrell level famous. quick Kiro. He might not want it. He might not want. Honestly he's probably like Chilin like he's probably GonNa fat check from SNL and leg baibing. Here's a quick cue for you. Mary Fuck Kill Delay Hill Jalil White Keenan. Well obviously married, you lay hill tap tap tap tap. Think. Keelan Kill Jalil Liberal Gate I have a different answer which is married Keenan to a kill Jalil that tracks That tracks. And I'd like to ask. Wait. Debating Save Donaldson I already said I think he's the funniest man in the world if you haven't. Gone back recently well speaks funny. River speaking of the funniest man in the world like China spotlight on the funniest woman in the world. That's right we've been can be fairly. GOT would here today we've got one a contender strong contender I funny woman I ever funny woman. Who I'd even like to ask our Fuck Mary kills you if I if I can be frank. Let me but let me tell you who she is because maybe you're listening to this podcast and you don't like reading or. You can't read or you can't I don't really know. What that entails but I respect it, and so I'll usher you and with my voice, how bad I do that for you and I'll say that our guest today. I wish he was my biological mother. If she was my biological mother, she'd have had a hard and really difficult life because. They're young. As you probably wouldn't be able to have her career so way that. You're wishing that you've ruined her life is what you're saying. Well I wish there was a way that we could have both at the same time. I love this comic so much I every time I listen to her speak whether it's doing his standup set or just talking I. Feel Like I learned one hundred thousand more things and my brain gets bigger bigger way too big a she's one of the funniest writers in the world She is an incredible performer where my black Monday stands at. She also is a brilliant standup comic and I love her and I think she's cool and these are the things that I have to say about now J.. What an Intro Thank you a love who I and. My daughter, you could be my cool. Because if we were sisters who would also be. To too much you know we wouldn't actually be able to be it'd be was their mother we wouldn't like each other. You I wouldn't be really I'd. Be. Like our little postcards from the edge sort of by. So. Let's go fun on let best best best you. You guys had a question which was Mary killed and it's so funny because I definitely have an answer but I'm trying to get on Keanu show and I'm scared to say. You know what? That's good. That's enough. That's enough but I will say that's what we're saying she's worth. That I I agree that he's one of the funniest like. Under rated and I'm glad that you guys said that he may not want it because I don't think that's something that people understand realize or understand that everyone does and wants to be mega famous and there is a real nice show place right in the middle where where all is satisfied your ego, your performance and the money it without all the bullshit that comes with fame. So I like that when people say that it would maybe people who are trying to get into business here. So they know that's option and that drive yourself. Working and making it an actual like job and career is a pretty respectable cool thing to do. and. It's it's you pick the thing. Where is one of the coolest ways to do it? You're not middle-management Kane is not you know an accountant? He's still he's still a star like. A star. Exactly. So Yep. Yeah. So I won't answer that question. I feel like you guys know I'd really I I definitely know. I definitely will all's Also want to say with a psych is good. Thank you so good. Yes and it reminded me I was trying to pitch show like a couple of years ago where. Detective. And I wanted to say the meetings like psych like it's a comedy. Don't say site is if I'm like multiple was on for. And Hank a movie and like three musical spindle like the the. The Fans Psych. Like show passionate to like. That's why there was the movie and stuff like you could only hope to create that people were like half as passionate about as they were about sake and also such a wide range of to like everybody thought they life. was. Intellectuals I guess. Also who cares sorry we'll get through it. It's weird because I watched it was enjoyed the fans were passionate and. It was funny. But also like the mystery. Element. was good like. Satisfying I was like what's going to happen this week on also remember. Is a respective well yet because remember how like a couple of years into sites run the mental came out, which is just Syria site. And there are episodes of where of psych in. The episode where they go to British Columbia and meet art thief Kyrie use. The Canadian detective goes Oh. So like the mental list. Well no not like the Nah. He's not real. Real, that would be great. You'll never. overwrought and That's really fun. Show was over and they're still memes fresh memes be used from. Of Delay Hill sitting down in the chair and eating the put the popcorn eternal. Give over also I don't know I don't know what the White Guy's name is, but he just came out as Mexican or something like he's been. In Mexican the whole time. Yeah. Yes. So I think that's cool to like in your face and we got your money. He's been Mexican the whole time unlike fully identify Mexican for thirteen seasons. I love it and. Shout to do a hell for being on TV literature for like twenty years straight jumping straight from the west wing to psych and just like getting those syndication checks like franchise and also black Monday. He was an episode of black Monday playing. Soccer team and he was hilarious emphasis. Okay Great I. Love It. Yeah so I really couldn't answer that question. So I'm so. Okay. It's cool that you're like so connected that you're like I actually can't do this. I know these people. Call me two years ago like I want to. But. I can. I can. Also feel like Lavalin Livia of like previous episodes where we would kind of be like, oh, actually we'd load New York gossip that confirms. We can't say stuff out loud. What it is. That's sucks. Gossiping. Hill. Sorry. Just thinking about him again. Thinking about Mr I could fix that. Mega Man and you know what? You can do. Week it also one. I love. I'm just I just. I'm just GonNa comment on everything you guys. Jim Carrey is hot out of. I have my attracted to him his age as I aged so Even Weirdo. Bearded Merlin face, good Gary. Olivia Dancing I love you feeling vindicate. Just, loved meet people who are like minded and share my opinions what I really think it is I mean, of course when he was. You know. I mean conventionally attractive. But. He's also super talented. That's what I'm. Of realize that you watch he's the Oh sorry I interrupted you. Know go ahead. He is so talented both comedic, and dramatically like can just has the range but did you watch the documentary about the making of Man on the moon? It. Looked like it would make me really uncomfortable and so I didn't watch it. It seems like cringe away the I like don't. Same reason you guys talked about as art and not liking this, I refuse to look. Him. I refused to read the shit about his time. Would you gene McCarthy and I refused to look at his goddamn art like he is a pristine and my mom Great. I think that's A grace that women get. Sure sure Rigid Carrie I will. He's worth and then I'll meet him and he'll disappoint me. I love fantasizing about dating someone that I know will piss me off six. I think that would be a relationship or you guys just have to keep things from each other a not a secret hordic way just like I don't need to find out too much about him. He doesn't need to find out too much about me and that's how we'll make work John. You know very surface fuck up football is conversations is what you're saying. This is about two beautiful people being relationship. Boats I. Guess He has a easels set up on the other end of the bowel and I just never go over there. And say, Hey, what you painting because I don't want to know it's GonNa. It's GONNA harm. Relationship. Well, I love to hear that you know what else I love Ct.. Yeah who your icon tell us we are icons. Con Is Grace Jones. And I mean. Wow, I feel like that's well, thank you for coming on the. Let's wrap it up up. Yes. So okay. So we icon and iconic is all that I feel like they made up the word icon for her like. She's. So when one is when was the moment? Elite normally asks this question gs with Gray. So at steady I go caught. Your IRA goes kind of like talking back. Awesome. A Journal. We like to ask the question. When was the moment that you realized that Grace Joan was. ICONIC, when was the moment that she sort of like clung to you as an icon I think I was maybe twelve or thirteen when I saw her a video for module Bacon Guy. And this is right around the town where I discovered MTV when MTV used to play music videos and that was like one of the first music videos I had seen she was like the black woman I had ever seen on TV as she was just like so different that I was like, who is this I remember? Feeling like electrified, seeing her for the first time in like doing my own research to find out who the fuck is as broad and as you know as I learn more about her like you have when you're a teenager, you're like bit. I'm going to be like this person like she was the person. But me for a long time I just never seen anything like her, which is what I feel like everyone felt at that time. Not, that's because she was out. Previous when I seen her but I'm sure when she arrived you know. WHO and Ed? So not to go. Yeah. So that's the answer to that question. I keep going. Now I was GONNA say another skip end but also I wanNA and has been maintaining it. She's still grace. Yeah like she's like What is she in her eighties? Now she's in her early seventies now. Yeah. Still think that's she looks incredible. Still she like it still has the attitude lake right in is in a thing that I felt I'm sure a lot of people at the time thought was a character but now at seventy, we see that effort. Like she, he'll grace zones so. I love it. I love her. I I don't stay in many people and. Grace Jones like I'll. Definitely. I think it's. Cool to Stan Grace Jones. But precisely because it's like not a character, it's like because like, oh, no, this is really she really is like. This bitch like that is completely. She dated like the finest motherfuckers is in it. She just had this persona of year. Like yeah, I'm dating these guys but. At who? Don't look at them. That he's a purse. Came or identity that she was dating somebody or whoever she was Dayton at a time. So Yan as. And black signifying not only blacks but Africa's. In the eighties in the early, all the way I mean is still too now but nineties it was such A. You know as where I grew up such a it was a insult to say, Oh, you're from Africa. Africa. That wasn't long ago you know. So for her to be an, you know from the island. So at that time I still had an accent and the for her to be so fucking black Jamaican angled drowsiness. Man Eater fucking top bitchy was slapping people on TV outside God down like best. Sees this you know. So she kinda got me through middle and high school to a little bit sir. Knowing that she exists. Rules we had like Sydney Washington came on and talked about Naomi. Campbell who was also somebody. I went back and forth. Yes we're back foot. There's. Like. Also my boss and Barbados and Gino like you're from islands and like you know there's something just about like Jamaican him. Sense of self. Saying. That Jamaican. Attitude of like, what are you GONNA do? Yeah I like not that black of course back America's have hard lives, but we have a hard life in different way in a different way to kind of mold into like. Warriors Ghana I mean I've. People Laugh at me because I say if somebody's that but I've been working like physically I was like four and that's most people from. Me So. I remember by thirteen and my mom being like. So when are you going to get a job? is now. I. No. Yeah. So even now people are like how old are you? I'm had so many jobs so many life experiences and I think with bat and in Tacoma. To become something while being yourself and that self is something. That's so different as stands out in his like hated at the Tom when she came out is is amazing. Amazing Nobody can say anything about Grace Jones. It came out and that is the to get the accident that come out feels like the championship up. Episode. It's never been a deridder movement anything even though she was highly sexual, you just can't. It's Similar to Naomi Campbell where it's like You may be like cut like she and all those boyfriends were always like fighting physically in public which will come up in a later segment but like. Campbell is the original Devi at. A black diva who could just slap people and nobody s she's still gets the exists why women? It's like there is something of like a certain kind of pricing ignorant. That's just who she is like that's just or it is going to like. That's it may only iron amber Campbell is a bit and everybody's I. Yeah. A She's mean everybody. Yes. We Bet. That's that's Power Christian joined Oh interesting can meet you because I. You know in preparation for this I watched like a few interview clips of hers and like there's this clip of her on the tonight show when Joan rivers icon of kindness. And Personality A. Guest host interviews, her and so fascinating because. Grizzlies is obviously very striking and in hence and not willing to change herself, but she does also have this like charm. Beauty to her and is like effortlessness but. In. Some ways people were trying to treat her like she was a spectacle and trying to treat her because she looked a little bit differently and not like Eurocentric. Demure like people I think might have wanted black women to be at that time and I'm saying time but honestly all the time and it's so just interesting to me how deftly she's able to handle people's like gays on her and now she's GonNa be like whatever you think of me you think of me, that's a reflection on you. Alabama's and it's it's that. Makes me think because I, that's something I used to have, and it's gone away as I've gotten older and I'm trying to get back but feel like the gays that. You know that celebrity but people who are in the public eye the gaze at his honest now is so different. That I've kind of retreated. From even being myself because I don't. Although Grace Jones had to hear people's opinions white about her. It's not like individual motherfuckers in Mississippi. People were tweeting at Grace Jones. Being like you. Bitch or whatever like exactly and so it makes me upset that the Internet has kind of made me retreat into myself a little bit. So that means maybe I should get off but that's. I forgot the point. What I was saying. I do think like similar to Naomi again, just like there is something about like. 'cause you know I was I was reading this thing and she was like, Oh, I have like six siblings like you had to just kind of like fight to be heard and like there's something about her whole demeanor where it's like this is not this is like who you are. But at this is also like how you like but come. Grace Capital Grace Jones like I don't think she would've she's like stunning and striking of course. But like the whole career comes with like the personality like in addition to like the talent or whatever. But like. It feels like part of the reason she's like Sajjan icon is that there's so much like myth around her and so much of like in aura around her that feels like. she had she had to be like that came she became famous in a time where you can have myth and mystery and everybody doesn't WanNa know every move you make nobody seeing you go to starbucks and YOU PAJAMAS So she, you're able to have a character, twenty, four seven because you are able to plan when you are going to be seen now that everybody has a fucking phone and. Again. The Internet is not It's not kid in have like a not. If we can have like a grace, Jones now it feels like someone who like why the next one would was trying to be like Lady Gaga who is a Grace Jones does not lake grace. Jones's like Ms. Ready to work with me so many times and she's just like it's not. She grooms herself is like all of these girls. It doesn't feel authentic it's not like them styling themselves. It's on them doing the work. It's like they're trying too hard to do what? Grace dead right automatically. Yes, and they're also trying to like. Bring back an era of something. Yeah. Like do something new it authentic like actually be like. I don't know. That's and grace. Jones I will say that's one way I'm like her in Bat. Try Hard really turns. Me? Don't like people like that who are. The pursuit of fame. I hate you if I could see you bending in a way or becoming someone I, hate it I just I can't stand in office in an office and it makes me. Not, trust you. So yeah I think also just the idea of like if there were to be a new grace John, this is my this is state. How it and agree disagree but I do think that. They would have to also be like an activist at the same time like you know what I mean like. You'll be hard for me to imagine that what are you trying to say what is your message that type of? Music. Or like Greta Burgers, the New Grace Jones. Berg. Mike Little Baby. Yes yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Those my mouth is I gotta take. Apologies Greta. The grace apologies to the listener. They're now you said that you got you psych saw her Like on MTV and in music videos released a fan of her music. My Jamaican Guy. For a bumper is iconic. Sometimes be like pull up to the bumper and be like, what are you talking about? Yes she had a song on Boomerang Soundtrack. I can't remember what that was, but I did lie range. With you. That is I totally forgot about that is true. For you. This e Eddie Murphy, who is like your grandfather's age have sacked I'm so sorry I put you through that The Dad but you were just like he's old you remember. Yeah. Because I guess Halle Berry was his love interest is she was very. Young and it looks like, can I say like pre nose job but? It was. It was definitely. John Anna situation where she was like second. Li like she was like ugly. and. So yes, they will you came. He was. Not. I was just like Oh if if it's this. No I mean I definitely looked at the movie in a different light after watching. Yes and also mind like young like a socially aware. Like things about this. Slaves. The rhythm was was was hot but also you know I was young when she was like deep were music roof like the club the club. Aaron. All that stuff I was. I wasn't it Yes. So yeah but. Definitely. More about again like our myth and her. Presence then not more but equally as. I. Went through a period where I was like like a couple years ago where I was like really obsessed with studio fifty four because just like It was just like a doomed proposition from the start and but like the people who went there like Grace Jones were just like they were all like, Oh, you had the time of your life when you were at I fifty four. Police. Say That I was born in the wrong era I also went through a studio fifty four fifth. Phase hour is just like if I was in seventy. You know I. I mean anyone who truly knows me and I even start centers they say you would be dead because. We all agree though His girlfriend and it'll be like we have no idea where the girlfriend went after this. No I think I think I would have I don't think I would die but I do think I would have like Oh deed after spending a night with Liza, Minnelli at studio fifty four and my parents would be like come home now a local. would-be. To tell the tale. Yeah exactly. Yeah. I was there I came close to death Sarah Schulman actually died I just fried eggs. Oh. Robe mind. Brain would be so cooked. If I had lived through studio fifty, four era like just absolutely destroyed. Infers in like a documentary About Studio fifty four would just be like little shrivelled like the old lady and Spongebob yes like involves mom. Yes. wrapped. In for big sunglasses and then Siri like in the documentary they used me as transition because the rest of I interview with. So unused I would want them to like I would I would want them to show like a gorgeous stunning photo of me at studio fifty four with the lights. Flashing in the back and the most gorgeous outfit and then led transition to me and my I like all wrinkled being like it was the best time of my life. That's My flashback scene is me on roller skates. In the club I have on a bathing suit top I called both sides of it to the side. So my breasts are free. Radicals. And then you flash the president MARTINIS are. Behind me is my skates that I. would be like. It'd be like a flashback of me like railing lines on on riding a horse running through the club. As men lines. In cuts in my house absolutely shivering facing away like like like face parallel to camera and you see amounted horse head in the background of. Somebody want a memory have. You know something like that. Oh boy those when it's Love us. That, we have never. Experienced do you think after quarantine? Okay I've been having this sort of back and forth by line do you think after quarantine we will enter of like space of excess or one of. Retreat. Okay, I've been thinking about this a lot too and I truly don't know I can't tell because I do know that I will wanNA party but I also think that I am like too smart to be just. Like. I do. Do I dunno I do think. I do think that they will be an access, but it won't be. Bad before I. Unfortunately, I hate to say this is literally hurts my heart will be i. don't think the excess will be for us I, think it will be for our children. So I'll, be dead. On the fucking. Just boob literally be a hundred. Die Here right both sitting. Status Out I. IT'S GONNA. Be Because I read this that vice article that everybody else read the Guy who like in two thousand twelve predicted that collapsed is going to be twenty twenty and we run cycle of fifty years. So if we're the if we're the sixties right then it's going to be like seventies eighties. So that's like. Not. Really us. I'm so past that my kids are GonNa be. Out At the club not happy not also, you know like they're going to have to deal with like. The actual collapse of. Earth Probably Sell Reich. You know what? Yeah exactly. It's like you know what actually you deserve to go do as much cocaine as you want to seen. From the Matrix to. Wearing leather arriving on each other I. Guess I don't know I have no idea, but it's That sucks that I'm GonNa miss both. Right and born at the absolute wrong time. It's like I missed I missed the seventies an air with twenty forties thousands, which was excessive in its own way. I came up during the Now, saying my party era was in the early two thousands which was excessive in his own way I I came up through the bottle popping era. That was. You know. The the VIP in bottle girls in the puff daddy's so we had I. Feel like. This is the for US generation. Yeah. I was GONNA. Say I. Have Never had firs except like ironically on like white girls who live in Bushwick, which is like annoying I know knowing what's the point? Right. We don't have any handed down I. There are going to be. Well. Rich people right now are definitely already have like definitely having parties. Yeah absolutely. Oh. Yeah. They're living. That's whole different experience than we saw some video of all these like Tiktok kids having like a big party at of their like Tiktok mansions and I got so pissed at. So those kids who are still. Play Beer Pong like why? Why I feel like one of the parts of this pandemic is the people who are doing they're supposed to do is having to watch the people who are still living as if nothing is going on, it makes you feel like what the fuck why have I been in the house before? Limb I sacrificing for if you're being annoying. April's Olivia I. 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Some music whilst there I just I don't think I think she's like hiding out she is seventy. That's true and she she reminds me of Tina Turner who like move to a castle. Turner doesn't she live in Switzerland or something with like very wealthy husband like Huge. That's what I see and want for for grace. That's what I'm hoping I hope she's doing manifest that for myself. Yes I might as well. You know. She wasn't just a musician. She was also an actor and we reference to her role in egg which definitely left. All Psyche I don't know if. We're the better for the worse. But she also was known for her I mean screen presence and her acting roles. and. Conan the destroyer Anybody Watch James Bond's I of course, have never seen a James Bond movie so Of. Course one of the facts of this podcast that I've never seen a james bond kind of refused to So No is the answer to that question. I WanNa say I WANNA be like work but eh, on the other hand I'm like you're right I don't feel like I'm missing about much. I. Jones's appearance and on Youtube Oh. Yeah. I. Feel like it was like the James Bond movies like especially the older ones were always something that like if I was if I was at a cousin's house or you know like all the adults were in one room and they just sent this all off to another room and then like on. TNT or like spike, there would be. A James Bond. Commercial like that or Baywatch and I'd be like in between commercials. Have watched this at some point I mean also, you could also look very early ones. We've Roger Moore Inches Marvel races they. Like I hadn't I hadn't seen the original James Mons until like a couple of years ago and I went into it knowing they would be racist but was still shocked like open mouth shot at how So it's yes it's interesting to watch him in that way like. What was allowed on television is very office. Just blatant racism. Yeah. Just there I like I said I went in like initiative is by. Our. Socks. And just yet misogyny his whole in fact that he's not hot at all is also Hilas so upset. So upsetting also that these. The lower is in such. It's it's. Bad writing as well, which is the painful put while the writing could at least be kind of good. No. What are the good James Bond I said Sean Connery the new ones? I. Like the ugly faced Guy, the newer Craig. Those are just more. Is. Face you. And I think people think he's I. Don't know I think he looks like a man but like He looks like he walked through. Okay, well, while the twin peaks fire walk with fans. Rise up. Up And Take Greg as your own. Would they announced Daniel Craig's is a new people lost their mind James Bond is los beheaded I mean Roger Moore was not the if anything he's the most handsome even with an ugly faces. So weird he at least has presence the other ones which is. There was another one in the in between like I can't remember so remarkable. Sean Connery Draws Timothy Dalton. But isn't the one people don't like Timothy Dalton Yeah. I mean like listen. To this. Yeah. Of course but no Pierce Brosnan was supposed to be like the handsome. Long speaking of Halle Berry. In one of his movies I know that but the fact that this guy could pull holly berry and her p the fuck. Hot? Pierce Brosnan is. Pulling Holly Berry Hot. He's not he's hot. Older White, man Okay we am I wrong today fuck on a bed of diamonds in that movie isn't that one of the things? I don't think he's that hot is. Diamond because that would hurt you know sure but like many people are hot, who's hot enough to fight calbury on a better diamonds. Okay, this is a good question but who's also like an actor 'cause like I know 'cause like, okay. No, I'm just I'm just I'm just setting the rules looking. Game. WHO's also Niagara? I was GONNA say. commit. Okay Go. Nowhere. Okay. Okay. Maybe I'll say this. Okay. Let me know. Let me know. Morris. Chestnut in his prime maybe. Give me better my head. I said let's get an Waie. It's very and that's why it's always controversial when they when they Whoever they cast his bond because you gotta only not only be handsome perhaps the Bible of someone who can for somebody on the bed. Okay. How do we feel about like Winston? Duke. Instinct. I don't know. No I actually think of Harthill. I think he has to be a big you know. Olivia, this is just like my i. don't like your fantasize. No I just think Libya's. Biggest Diamonds. So. Just kind of opening up to the world if Winston do fuck man about of diamonds that could happen. Okay. Sure. What's his name from? No that's not it because it's not like it's not like. Denzel either it's like. My answer. Okay. See Like I. Wish that Henry Golding, was like a slightly better actor But you. Better diamonds. beefed. Up. Now, he has to be beefy. So now he has to be I'm using. We gave him we give him. If you're casting somebody in a marvel movie, they go on the Marble Diet. Sir. James, bond dying. Maybe. Let me go ballistic Guy Henry Golden. He was in the one in crazy rich Asians. Okay so I'd have to see him. Acts Go didn't see that movie you gotta be swamped. You know what? I mean. You guys watch the good wife noticed you said Christine Baranowski. Episode See. You know. There's there's a guy on air. That I, anyway, this is going the point is. The podcast it's mostly just like thinking and big yourselves. This backing out of it. Back into warn you this is my show. Okay. I mean Pierce. Brosnan is hot is WHO'S THE GUY? Can you describe him I just? He has a really deep voice. God, what is his name? I have a picks. He's all my screen right now and I can't figure out who? among. Oh. His name is Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Talk. Game. Everything. Obscure actor I don't think I. Don't Know Geoffrey de Morgan. Well, maybe this. Is less about how he lives in how he acts the characters. He does gibbs me I can pull Halle Berry and fuck on a dime is all okay. Pierce Brosnan. While hot is Kinda solved in a way he's not giving me. Better dogs like I said, he's given me thousand out threaten. He's giving me balcony bed with light drapery rounded ninety nine eleven sort of like, yes pillow we. Love seeing that. Yes of course, cons ask. You have some have you named your person who you think could do. Is it maybe takes his prime? He's in Morris Chestnut in his prime. I would do is I don't know if that's it. Really Anyway always prove that is that is really hard. That's true. This is the thing about being a little bit right. You have to be highly varied. You could be a stub of a toll. Here's the thing. Is that Grace Jones Code Fuck, Halle Berry on the bed of diamond and we'd all say we all say, yes of course, that's exactly what should be happening here. Is. No male gravestones? No with that energy. And not that there isn't any men with that energy, but they don't become actors. Right. You get. You turn into like David Bowie or like prince or something like that. Damn. Why are male actors like fun and now who's fun? That's a male actor. Yeah. Or like interesting or like dresses in an interesting way, like thinks that he's Vaughn no not that kind of fun. Not Onset Pranks Fun. I'm talking about like much. To watch like. Wear engine clothes or like say oh it's Ezra Miller. Roma. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind Sam Rockwell. I think he's interesting. He's got something. He's definitely like odd. I just best. Okay. So maybe less. Rb because I feel like I loved him so much in his early career as he got more successful Iowa what's happening I? Don't like this for you. I don't know what he's done lately that I just know him. Yeah. Early on I only know early on billboards that Sam. Oh. Fun. Thing you just forget I feel like my last fun Sam Rockwell Movie Moon. Yeah, he's funding the way way back, which is a movie I saw in theatres for some reason. Very good but he's funny in it so. That's why you saw all of you because you are yourself. Yeah. Sure. Yes. That's true. Actually Yeah. I mean pretty funds ill Like fun roles. That's true. The same this take themselves seriously he could. Be Nominated for playing Dr Anthony Fauci Lake. Hang. Tag Resistance. Like Hashtag one, five minutes on SNL can get you in. The fucking. Dude for much of his career he could. He has. Every excuse to be a gigantic I've never heard anything bad about him. Other than his you know Brad Pitt. Bad to say about you. Brad Pitt Peck Probably like. It would either be like somebody who is friends with like some random Indian director I think it'd be like some weird musician. it'd be like we'd be like back. No you know randomly popped into my mind I was Brad Pitt where pink India R. E.. I don't know why that's just what I thought. Brad Pitt loves black people. Way What do we say pick in what was? Hard. Oh as as I. Know probably disappointed by choosing somebody from the rat pack. Bullshit. Like Sinatra. My on is. Audrey Hepburn. We'd like okay off. Her. Whatever rather that I'd rather that than what I bank you. Dare. You my friend George Clooney. Ba-. Funny. Your famous friend is an icon P- so stupid. When we were doing oceans while the La- Walk Olivia, let's do an episode where I pick you, you pick me. We'd have to get a third party or else. We'd just be talking about ourselves for an hour I can talk about you for an hour via i. go you for an hour, but I don't know if you WANNA listen to that But I think I know. Sergeant I'll go. Now I was GONNA say back to Grace Jones. I. Frequently. Just pull up pictures of her and Dolph Lundgren just a Latin back up every Reagan at that was what I was. GonNa talk about. Well, this is a good segue into people's Court Bang Bang the gavel. And if you thought my ham fisted segue wasn't going anywhere but that you're wrong lydia talk to us about people's score. Okay People's Court is what I hack into EBSCO host via middle school somewhere in these fifty United States that has their password public and find in old magazine, Article, Journal, Article Newspaper Article about the icon in question Today you know Grace Jones been in people back like from the seventies like we have she has been in these pages forever and. So. Part of why Dolphin Green is famous is because he dated Grace Jones and like that's how he got his role in rocky and so we have this article from nineteen eighty, five, December nineteen, eighty, five talking about their like kind of psychotic relationship and they're talking about being at club so they describe the okay. So they describe Grace Jones's Amazonean and Dolphin Greenwich, her six five and a half Viking lover taking to the dance floor. And they say they start fighting on the dance floor and Dolph twenty-six Finish by ripping off grace's trademark which sent her to the showers the ladies room actually and gave him the decision on a Tko. So what does it all mean? It was just a scene says the thirty two year old singer slash actress who adds that such quasi violent horse play is commonplace in their lives. We we were pulling punches were very bourbeau theory physical. We fight about a lot of things like going to bed I like going to bed late he likes to go to bed early and we make love passionately as we fight. This thirty two years old I her. Twenty six year old of fighting in the club has led at an going to like fuck it off. That's like her whole energy. And then it goes on to say like this scene is why sly stallone was like this guy and that Dolph Lundgren was just like a security guard and like a martial arts instructor before and like he engraved Matt and she decided bring him around and they were like this is it. This is the dude. Psycho. I love it. That's just might. Say. I Fighting I mean to this day I've had. Now was too much about myself, but I have found out especially in court not enough the had things time to think about things. I've had boyfriends told me that I always WANNA have sex. I will I will be mid fight and say, do you want to like I do I like it? I like the whole fake tussle that you do when you're in a in the beginning of a relationship where you like play wrestle. I'm so I saw it in in eighty. And that's what I think you know Romances. But I love the idea that like, oh, we fade fight. We just start Shit I had my best performances when I have a tax fight right before I go on stage like I just I am addicted to that. Type of drama a net. It's not good but I'm sure the sex was amazing. Yeah, it's it seems very obvious that Grace Jones doesn't like take up with men who are bad in bed like at all it just like why would she ever do I exactly the for the for the. Honor of climbing on me Grace Jones. You Bet, oh, fuck in bring it like come on. Listen she wants what she wants. She's GonNa get it. and. That's what I've always liked about her she just she's just she just is he just is Eh you know I try it and smaller dose. It seems so much were. It seems like so much work to commit full-time to that lifestyle himself like no, just just to like. The idea of like I agree with you on. ME. It is. Like somebody's got to concede and you've got to be. Fine. But do you can you just? have to concede you know I don't know if I'm like hot enough to be like think so like you know I if my face more angular. But that's what I'm saying grace. Jones would not say, am I hot enough a Grace Jones was say I am hot. You know like you are damn. It's not even a wonders. Okay. This is reminding me of shoutout ready for this articles. Appeased by Jasmin Hughes that was about like learning how to break her own hair and in quarantine and how he was somebody. Identified with the section allot. To. Basically. Tar herself to like devalue physical experience because she wanted to like value her mind being an intellectual more. Girls Sue breath road hair dedicate time to leave them like looking hot. All the time are more rapid and and I'm not interested in that type of person and went up both Olivia I posit you your gray why not both? To because I know why because I'm Lee Hello all I will say I gotta go look that up because I feel like that's what I did when I got into comedy like when I first started comedy I would dress up more I would dress more feminine than it could that's really who I am or at least who I was at that time, and because I wanted to be seen as a comedian and not as a female comedians I stop doing. And once you stop, you realize how much work it is, and then you become. Much work to be beautiful all the time it really is and it best not the focus of your career. That's why you can't compare yourself to instagram like their job is to look like. They're not looking like that like, yeah but they're not but he at least actors. At as. People, their sole focus is looking good like you cannot tell your whole job is to have one poor. And the poor is your mouth and As. Or even just like like the the. Editing of the photo like dislike all of it just. Can't even be bothered to learn filters not I'm like I feel like my skin isn't good enough to pose I'll just. As. I don't want to I. Don't want to I feel like it's such a hold of all down you know what I mean. So I just don't to. Good light like when I try to pay those. Girls Hair you know it's like, oh, that's why time lapses because this is taking me seven hour or ever tried to get my hair like fluffy in a way that it's not going to be because like my mother isn't from Sweden. Right. Right and at this point if it's not hitting me monetarily. Want to spend the time they are getting paid to look good, and that's why it's okay to spend that many hours doing it. But if it's not affect I mean I'm sure we're still an Internet entertainment industry I. Know I could become a work feen and get a whole other level of money by being more attractive but I'm too lazy like you said, I don't I have no interest any more at this point now once you get a team and all of that shit sure why not who don't want to be beautiful town but by myself back, that's Best. That's the lesson of. Hot Kumail he got that Marvel team behind him got Jack. That's good for him and money motivation I I, mean I started saying to myself tapes like as before I slate like Hey I'll lose weight for his role but I won't lose it before I get. Tell me I got to lose it, but I'm not going to be walking around in for no reason you fucking. Anyway. On this. And I vote. Yes. On playing a little game. One that we played earlier except we're GonNa do this one with a little twist Yep. It's time for your old favorite Fuck Mary, kill. But this time of doing it with people, we're going to do it with moments of Grace Jones is life and personality and public persona. So we're going to gather these moments and really play a little game has hundred now. Sure, perfect answer Okay so are three moments. TO MARRY TO KILL Okay Guess. I will start picking I'm GONNA, say Number One I'm going to say like the influence how about that? Already you know give us an answer that we've got but just like the influence like she. Basically, every single person who is like, cool. No every pop girl like for the last forty, thirty, forty years. Has Been trying to do too like Salange Yeah Oh my God for sure and everyone in the Middle Lake your lords you're now Rogers Robin goals. You're like, yeah. I mean Lady Gaga. The Lady Gaga Katy Perry like They'll want what she has. That's one and it's also not even it's like it's just like she said, it's not even there. Mimicking or taking her style their style. Race Jones dressed. As she was only. came up with his every single fashion house was like please. Can you should? See. Also, not only war but war it in a way that they probably the bitten it's a which makes him. Okay. So influence I'll. Just for fun like. Like the high days of disco like Studio Fifty Four, making a scene at the club, like all of that Kinda wrapped up. And then I'm GonNa just say like. Working, in the abstracts here, Say. Use It like personality is like I. Think. Yeah. Like not even like wearing a mask just like being who you are absolutely all the time. Okay Influence. Personality Disco. Olivia yes. Mary Kill Okay I am going to marry personality which is I. Think at times going to sometimes be a rocky ride but ultimately like Alike. Rewarding in like kind of like a no secrets kind of thing like good I'm going to buck disco. Just like one crazy night of passion and mayhem and whatever, and I'm GONNA kill influence because. Those girls, those other girls who cares I. Oh. AM GOING TO MARRY THE INFLUENCE because. You know me I'll of power away. I'M GONNA. Fuck the personality because I think would just be like. Just we just get in there we. Just. Have a good time real straightforward everybody's comment. Then we leave. And unfortunately, that means I'm going to have to kill disco. I JUST WANNA, make sure I don't go too hard and pass away. That's okay. That's totally okay. Ju Now to close. Yes. What are you GonNa Fuck Mary. I am going to influence because I like power and the fact. That there's nobody else like her anytime the same comedy anytime. Someone can mimic you. That means you're the thing you know what I mean like if you're doing something people like Grace Jones you doing Chris Rock you do in that that's influence and that's so. Powerful in in hot to me. So fuck influence I'm going to marry personality same. As what she's you know is going to be like she said, Iraqi row but I just think I'll won't be board, which is the death of me that's death to me is being And Kill. Was this. He'll disc on four last days. Ella. You'll be on the radio and engine. killed this go. Only. To be reborn something else like race jokes that Jones did when this go down, she came back out of it so much. All right we'll reimer. Have our verdict still WANNA. Say. Words. On Grace Jones Olivia would you like to start? Yeah, I was. Doing my research and like. I think five years ago. She headlined Afro Punk Katie's out at Afro punk in two thousand fifteen when she was like sixty seven or something, and you know that's not iconic that I don't know what is like just like. To be like still kind of surprising and interesting when people would forgive you for not being that at like when when you get older I think is again a testament to the fact that this is just like who she is and it's not a game it's not a character it's like this is her personality and like that to me is kind of ironic. I will say and I liked Madonna and I, and I have been a lot of her concerts and stuff, but I think it's Interesting that people always tell Madonna to sit down nobody knows Grace Jones to go away and it's because we kind of feel even though she's done it well, but Donna is A. And that. I don't know what the word but she piece together different personalities makers. She's not great. You know what I mean and the the the the personality is now on twitter it's really Fortunate inch. Not. Let see that but anyway. Travel when people who thrived on mystery and so suddenly revealed to be. Incredibly. Fair exactly. So I on. The point. I am I think. One of the things that I think about with Grace Jones when she first comes to mind is so many of like these iconic images has also been part of a lot of them were photographed by. Her now ex john-paul Goud sexy name I don't even apply. There's another people article that I didn't use where they talk about their fights and it is like. Bloody like. Bloody. Yes. But they were together for a long time a really long time and The father of Greece Jones's son. WHO's also like? Can I say it hot the Best the best. Her she is not even like she bopped around, which isn't a bad thing but she managed to have. long-term hot relationships like bats. She's had lovers. If I may say so did both Me That's the dream yet. She like those images just I think are so ingrained in like what? Also just like a time felt like and looked like and she set so much of the ascetic tone of think like late seventies and eighties and things that are even like still copied today definitely some of those photographs are. Unfortunate. I think there's clearly like a A. Man's gaze. Which? Go modell Klay ceased. To she still. Don't. Yourself. Scary. Very much a white male of being like, Ooh, black woman. Will but she just did set so much of like Oh tone and literally I think is also part of the reason why he is seen as an iconic photographer. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. You know like she elevated people's careers and senses of art understand a white man up behind the Asheville do. As we still. Like a never ending literally. Many of them but like. Boosted, his career like was his muse like like. Boost Eddie like any world obviously was like a figure in his own right. But like their careers were intertwined Keith Haring, who is like obviously iconic like painted her like. was amused for ischemia key and Google are like she was is a big deal was a big deal. And is the reason why people felt like inspired to create an that is not Romar. Galvani, come. Now, if you're like a literal Muse, if you're someone's literal mold, not even one person but like multiple people across like years and years and years, but also still having your own career. Yeah. Exactly. Not just like the sideline like Bianca Jagger like. No offense but like. Bianca Jagger Kate Hudson famous. Yes. Exactly. No group you know groupie no fabric slide she's out. Right. Like catch up to me and I might sit for your exactly. Yeah. If I like it which I might not. And I will slap you. It's my right. Probably, it'll be bloody day who a lot of these john-paul. Gouda pictures. Well Anyway. She was subject to like fetishism but also like still endured in what's her own thing and wasn't unafraid to say like no, this is like because I have word than I value I'm cool as hell I just think that's great us. So she's she's yes my leg warmers. I very invested in non-manufactured. Cool. Always feel. So I've never really paid attention to the industry and I still try not to, but I always feel and A. Has To do with me being older but the people that you're told are cool inevitable. And it takes a while for you to figure that out at Gratiot is has always been cool like she is what I think of when I think about word and I think it's bestowed on too people now. Back to just like the now of at all and. The social media and like the art of this of it. All ready for this odd take social media fake. Can crack any image. You want because of like, I, feel like this combination of like aesthetic an algorithm like anybody who feeds into it becomes like. Interesting or by. Even. They're really not. NERDS joking I'm. Yeah, it's a little. It's interesting to watch I I'm trying to be out one to while while staying on the sidelines. Willingly by choice. I'm very careful about what I. Do. And how I present myself. That's what I love about you. I'll think we're shows that that Bo. So it's a conundrum, but I'm living in difference. We get to account for that. Yeah Yeah. Is this is this the show almos- almost okay my bet. Should we vote I'll I feel like this is one of those ones where it's just you know. Yeah but we vote on. If. We think this person's going to be an icon or not. So. I'll start. I'm going to go with an eye. That? Yes. Yes and you know. I mean I brought. So y'all. Hey. So I'm waiting on wait for somebody to say no no, I could never fight. Yeah. Outbreak courts. Unless, you do it. Be Very, grace of you. Please be my so we just. Okay well. The. Yeses have it Greece Jones. An icon. Before we close. Play quick little. Room. So Room is the game where we pract a vehicle room vroom do you get it? Do you get it? Okay Love Them. Vehicle for an actor who we still has knock on their do who? Why not let's give them my Oscar. So we try to write a movie come up with the premise of a movie to give them an Oscar. Okay I have the list up Yes. should be asked do now if he wants to play or beer producer. Yeah. So out, you can either choose to play and one of us will drop out and you can come up with your own movie. It's a minute. It's thirty seconds on the clock as thirty seconds qualities like Islamic luck or you can be the Hollywood hot shot producer and pick which movie you'd WanNa Produce and make in order to win this actor Oscar tell us why. Oh Man I'll be producer. I I have to list up and I think I have a good option for us that I don't think we've done. Okay. Let us win. Tandy Newton an Oscar. So, under who? Do you WanNa go first I just got. Yeah. Yeah I, I think I am okay I'll give you thirty seconds on the cocker ready set go okay. We're going to follow Tinder Newton in a modern day drama that's going to take place in real time as she goes to try to find. Forget. So it's sort of Venice back but in real time and better because tanning noon, we'll also play a recovering addict and it's recommends London extent. Tough. We're going to get to see her be a little bit more natural sprayer down, but still hold acting chops to get home. Okay Olivia. Thirty seconds on the clock time begins now. Okay. So Tainting Newton is the lead role in a new Jordan peele movie it's about. About like, Oh, I'm losing it. It's about how it's. She's a mother in it and her kids are mixed just like they are in real life and they don't know they tried to fucking kill her. Losing Steam here I'm so sorry I. Don't look at me like that. I got to excited about Jordan I. Give Up I'm sorry I, concede honestly that was my worst showing I just did Bellas back. I know I got so excited about Tanny being Jordan peele movie that I fully lost the steam. No I don't think I can do it. I don't think I can do it. I feel like Olivia, just just the Jordan peele angle I know and usually you. Finish the sentence. I couldn't think of a plot I just started. Yeah. I don't have his mind I mean it could be. It's George I won't trying to help you workshop. No. Yeah I do you think it is it's like a Jordan peele movie. That's about. So it's about blackness maybe they move into like an affluent black. Or something, but he's mix. And so it's like a flip of like. And I do like the mix kids old in that they look like they're pat bear look they look like they're whites. People think she's adopted her own kids and so that passionate passive aggressive drives her crazy is she becomes a killer. It's kind of when. People. Are Trying to take her kids away for him or the black neighborhood also like don't really think she's like they maybe the. They'd start getting involved. Some shades days years ran away with this guitar credible. Now so Your yes. I didn't understand she goes to look for her son, but she's also a recovering addict. So we learned this about halfway through the movie she's recovering addict, and so then the stakes get raised as well The Sun is accessible and so he's missing we find out halfway through the she's a recovering addict, which is one why she offense but also gets harder because as she gets deeper into the world of drugs she becomes tempted maybe even has Anderton magazine real time raise time Okay. So. Two hour movie that takes place over two hours. Cool. I mean. This sounds kind of like a crash which was overrated movie that won an Oscar. So maybe. They can. You can do it twice. Something like that maybe. Crash meets Ben Is Bank needs like Victoria. I. Think. That's you know in the room a great pitch. Pitch and if I lose, it's because I helped you make your pitch better. I feel like I os is. A more. Awful. Movie a Jordan appeal trail off is is just Here I'm trying to put this. is working. because. She straightforward longline was faulty. You can't. Going to have to pass on that that's Okay Tired what's happening? I, am tired I had to. Okay. I told you this I had to get a new phone my phone got cooked. This morning absolutely would not hurt on. So I had to drive to two different at and T. store to get a phone. This is my goddamn face. Pilots, he's in isn't over I'm still open. Thank you. For sure I am. A script. Yeah you're constantly WANNA. Hear you is this and you I got notes even though I've never been a writer and and so come on back. Yeah I'm I'm Olivia's managers so you can just send she could send. US So on and so. It's a whole thing. It's what we do. A work. Out also. Circle back. Lord. Well. Put a pin in this perfect episode of a perfect Gasden. On. Human, my favorite part where we go, do you have anything to plug and I know you do because there's a whole TV show. So Denial d have anything to plug. A mean. Thankful and blessed that I do during the day pandemic. But yes, go watch the. Now. Season two of black Monday time. If you don't have showtime, they offer a thirty day. Free you know I don't believe in paying for things right now either so you can go on thirty days in the both to seize it. So slept off really is is so. Funny Jokes on jokes it was my best and most favorite work experience. Don cheadle Regina Hall. What else can you ask for an amazing experience Also, I am currently writing on Central Park, which is animated show from the guy who gave us Bob's Burgers, on Apple TV I just recently got to write a role for Whoopi Goldberg and. People Norah Jones a singer. It's all kind of happening I. Don't know. Is the musical. It's Berry beat. They saw my stand up and they said, this is the happy check we need over here and so here I am. And just spreading chair and it's getting. Good reviews check that out go on Youtube and watch also like people have been doing and Andrew Netflix special. My netflix. Court especially but I really enjoy that people are finding like my old Aska sketches from one started comedies. I Love I've really serious watch the. Conic you in. Go Watch. By a gay go watch all the things that I couldn't put out right now without getting dragged hellfire. It's I. appreciate it. It's still. Yeah and then follow me I'm trying to get my socials up. Gone years with big, it's not important. You instagram nodal but has been a marked improvement I'll say. No because I'm trying. The other day are killing me. You very much so. Yeah follow me on Instagram Dame's comedy. I mean I'm doing Steven Spielberg level of. Level storytelling on their. Follow me on twitter to can't standard but I need you know I figure. Quarantine I'm not going anywhere doing any shows one i. get my numbers up online I guess I don't know I just WanNa feel like I'm doing something. Please just follow me I ain't talk about shit. I'm trying I'm trying to make people laugh during this very horrible that in itself is commendable and inspiring. Okay and everybody I commend inspires, me Olivia. Who you know Did. Me Okay. I'm. Speaking of Whoopi I'm just making a reference to the classic Film Ghost. Also. Well, it's not out yet but I'm coming out with a podcast called you in danger girl Oh my God. Based on what he's iconic lines. Yes, and it's about. Crazy dates. Red Flags and erotic thriller. Look out for that I absolutely cannot wait incredible. I'm so glad I brought up ghost. So now that now I know that that's happening. What am I fe I love that movie Oh my God. I was sleep with Patrick swayze doubt dead version. Anyway. I. Mean. Truly same like. God. I would just have his ashes in three. That would be robin one out on his ashes. And we're GONNA rough this one out and say goodbye. You know. Thank you guys for listening so much. Make sure you like if you subscribe it, you share it. 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Trump insists "economy is doing really well" despite warning signs that the economy is not doing well; Ivanka and Jared publicly missing in action amid Trump's claim that Jewish Democrats are "disloyal to Israel"; 18 states, DC look to block new Trump Adm

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Trump insists "economy is doing really well" despite warning signs that the economy is not doing well; Ivanka and Jared publicly missing in action amid Trump's claim that Jewish Democrats are "disloyal to Israel"; 18 states, DC look to block new Trump Adm

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Let's go out front good evening everyone. I'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett out front tonight. Ignore the warning signs. That's the message from the president tonight. Who insists today quote. The economy is doing really well and he says the reason it's not breaking records. The federal reserve even still there is no reason to worry according to one of the the president's top economic advisers here i myself. I don't see it in the foreseeable future ivars the i can see no now. We are optimistic about the economy. I guess it all comes down to what your definition of the foreseeable future is. We'll get to that. Maybe another day americans may not be as optimistic though as team trump and it may be starting to show just look at this new poll from the associated press and the university of chicago. The president's approval oval rating is down to thirty six percent. That's the lowest. It's been since january sixty. Six percent of americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction and when it comes to the the economy less than half approve of the way he's handling it and there's more trouble signs for the first time in nearly a decade america's manufacturing sector shrank and there's a major correction direction revision to what has been a bright spot in the economy under president trump jobs numbers the labor department now says between april of two thousand eighteen and march of this this year there were half a million fewer jobs created than originally thought so while the president is saying everything is great others are saying it's the source behind behind his erotic behavior of late according to the new york times. Let me show you this former president. Former trump administration officials they write in recent days said they were increasingly acing lee worried about the president's behavior also suggesting that it stems from the economy. What behavior do you ask look here. I am the chosen one. I thought that the prime minister stated that it was absurd that was it was an absurd idea was nasty. You don't talk to in the united states that way. I think that if you vote for a democrat you're very very disloyal to israel and to the jewish people that was outsmarting so russia outsmarted president obama the doctors will coming out of the operating room. There will hundreds and hundreds of people all over the you couldn't even walk on on and nobody's done the job done. Boris sanchez is out front at the white house for us the white and the white house tonight still arguing arguing. There is nothing to see here with the economy. Yeah that's right kate. The message from the administration so far is that everything is fine despite ominous signals to the contrary sorry you saw there. The director of the national economic council larry cudlow is here on the north lawn of the white house short while ago he was saying that a recession was not in the foreseeable future. I i asked him about that report that you mentioned that the manufacturing sector shrunk for the first time in nearly a decade. He said he wanted to take a closer. Look at the numbers in that report that he wasn't wasn't concerned about it. He said the same thing about that. Revision that you mentioned from the bureau of labor statistics suggesting that the job market was actually <hes> substantially weaker than they had initially initially estimated. He said that he wasn't concerned about that either that he wanted to take a look at the fine print the president is aware of all this information. He's had discussions with aids. According to sources sources about how the economy could potentially impact is twenty twenty chances specifically this ongoing trade war with china just yesterday. He tried to distance himself a bit from it saying that it's not his trade war with china even though we called himself as you saw the chosen one he also sort of scoffed at dismissed the idea of payroll taxes taxes pursuing that as a potential way to push off any kind of economic slowdown just a short while ago. Larry cudlow said that it's something that the administration has been working on for some time he he called a tax cuts two point oh and effectively said that they weren't imminent that it's something that they would likely put more out into the public about going into the twenty twenty campaign season kate. Maybe it'll come out in the foreseeable future greg zebras. Thank you so much. I'll out front now. White house correspondent for american urban radio networks april ryan moody's zanoletti chief economist mark zandi c._n._n. Senior political reporter nia malika henderson april what are you hearing is the economy causing the president's radic behavior. Yes yes and yes <hes> you know this president has been touting a great economy <hes> and and and this is his the cornerstone <hes> since i guess since the very beginning almost of his administration for people to feel that he should win reelection that he is is firmly planted <hes> for the american public and he's working for them but indicators nontraditional indicators are saying something different and he's having a hard time trying to marry <hes> this great economy with what it looks like for the american public particularly the grass roots and i i heard from members of congress when they come back on september ninth. They're going to deal with the issue of the economy something that the president is not going to want to deal with especially as they are going to highlight the fact that there is a deficit <hes> that is expected to be a trillion dollars by the end of the fiscal year also the fact that they want to find ways to pay for the things now and reduce the the tax credit and other things and deal with trade particularly the tariffs to try to help fix correct this economy before for gets out of control so the president is erratic now but come september september nine when they start focusing in on the economy. He might get worse than what he is. Now count me as skeptical and i'm happy to eat my words. If all of the sudden a bunch of deficit hawks just start showing up on capitol hill that will be crazy there mark mark zandi thinks about that quite a bit the new york times though reporting that we talked about just a sec. I mentioned earlier that there's this growing concern by former trump administration officials about the way hey that the president is acting. Here's the thing if folks inside the administration inside. The white house are concerned. What do they do about it torretta to know right. I mean if you think about kind of the trajectory of the folks surrounding of this presidency. It's very much thinned-out over the last month or so he he came in with a pretty pretty good team robust team and since then folks have left. There's been all sorts of turnover in not other replacements. If you think about somebody like john kelly replacement not as strong personality not somebody who had this sort of stature to challenge you this presidency even though john kelly in some ways could be criticized for maybe not challenging the president also that's where i think that the staff in the country finds themselves president without the guard rails that he initially had did serve to curb some of his instincts as public instances public comments and so now i think you have a situation where the president really doesn't have a filter in-in you have this kind of fear factor of the economy what what was different about this president if you think back to his inaugural speech was very clear about the kind of economy that he wanted to see right he talked about out of the tombstones of all of these shuttered factories all across the country and he really targeted the manufacturing sector or something he would revive the steel industry the coal industry. If you look at the data here about those manufacturing jobs they're not really coming back and you do see some layoffs and some of these big industries steel steel workers for instance coal still struggling so in that way if you think about those states places like pennsylvania places like wisconsin places like ohio iowa and michigan you go to those states and there isn't some sort of rebirth of manufacturing in the way that this president promise in very specific ways like imagine. It's something something that he is worried about because you know it matters in those folks lives these promises that he made them and not necessarily a come into fruition and it matters how you feel how your personal personal economy feels and that is that is that really where the tough spot is mark the president and folks around him but the president specially has been working overtime this week to to try to to shrug off the concerns and fears of a recession and an economic downturn listen to this. Our economy is the strongest in the world the far nothing even close. We're very far from recession. I don't see a recession but news listing out some of those troubling signs minds. You've got the labor department revision in terms of job growth and jobs numbers. What is all of this show. You mark will real economic. Growth is slowing a sharply manufacturing is now <hes> arguably in recession output declined last month. It's lower than it was was a year ago and you can connect the dots right back to the trade. The trade war is really doing a lot of damage to the global economy. The president is right that the us economy is doing better than the rest of the world but the rest of the rules pretty close to recession if not in recitals relative in this yeah exactly the the value of the dollar is up so exports declining and obviously manufacturers rely very heavily on selling what they produce to the rest of the world. Here's a dark irony and all of this. I mean the <music> <hes> the trade war of the terrorists were supposed to help manufacturing but the in fact what's happening is it's pushing it into recession and now the damage is spreading out so you pointed pointed to the <hes> to the employment statistics revision down in <hes> in the employment gains <hes> those revisions were big surprisingly big and very broad based not only manufacturing revise down construction leisure hospitality retailing <hes> healthcare education and so the economy is weakening and if the president doesn't stand down on the street were pretty soon <hes> recession risks are going to be awfully high by this time next yeah in april over the long term president trump's approval rating since he's taken office. I mean one thing we know. It's it is remained remarkably consistent. It's not where you anyone wanted to. Any president would want to be but it is consistent. Though there have been like the last three approval rating polls we've seen we are seeing we have seen it dip in for very president. I often wonder who is obsessed with polls. Is this adding to him. Lashing out not only is he obsessed with polls else. He's obsessed with himself <hes> yes. This is some of the reason why he's lashing out. I mean when his own <hes> television network that he prefers refers fox news says things that democratic polls are saying and he's actually saying look this is this is not right. You need to recheck this. There's a problem <hes> you know. This is a there's an independent free press in this nation. This is not russia. This is not china. That's what makes us different and this president is very upset with the fact that his numbers are slipping. He is the emperor with the new clothes and i don't know if you wanna watch him. Walk down the street naked but <hes> at this point. This president has a hard time facing reality. <hes> people are tired of the reality show. The reality is if i don't have money me and my pocket. If you're talking against my religion my culture there's a problem so his numbers are slipping for the reasons that he's created nia that president trump and his advisors they do continue to blame for any problem worry they have the economy the fed chairman <hes> and also the president is now going going back to blaming president obama. At what point do you think the white house or any this white house any white house. No longer can pass the blame. I mean the only i mean to obama i mean he owes a bouquet of flowers right. I mean he was handed. A pretty good economy obviously talked down in folks who voted voted for him believed that he could turn it around but i think the unemployment four point seven percent when he took off so that's a pretty a healthy economy. I think it was obviously juiced up with those a tax cut in some of that in zandi can talk to this more than i can but some of that's obviously a waning but you know i think he's got to figure out sort of what's next. I think there will also is this other dynamic of its first post muller phase of his presidency i in so there you know he was obsessed with muller are and the russia probe and now he's got a lot of time on his hands. He had really obviously likes where the economy was. The stock market was booming and now he's got you know uh-huh faced with the idea that could be a recession in congress. It's sort of used all of its tools in its toolbox and facing this big deficit as well. That's really very interesting observation. Thanks so much really appreciate it. Thank you out front next jared and a vodka both presidential advisers who have no problem speaking out when they want to so why are they staying silent after this controversial comment. 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Israel and the jewish the people those comments widely criticized as playing into an antisemitic trope of accusing jews of dual loyalties something that has been used for a long long long time to belittle jews out front now keith boykin former clinton white house aide and rob ask a member of president trump's two thousand twenty reelection advisory council council guys thanks for being here keith ivanka trump are known to be strategic in how they weigh in and how they give advice to the president and we know that that definitely isn't always done publicly as no one should expect it to when they disagree or need to course correct the president but why do you think they're choosing to stay silent on this because it often leaks out yeah i mean i think <hes> i don't have any special into ivanka trump's brain or what she's thinking thinking or her relationship with her dad but i think i think it's all selective she chooses to speak out when she feels that it's in her interest to do so and then she often does so privately services louis c. leaks the story to a friendly reported that she actually didn't agree with something that trump did but only when it's incredibly unpopular and she realizes that it's not to her benefit for her brand to do so but on most occasions she's not inclined to speak out against her father. Even as their father makes antisemitic statements to the public even as he calls himself the second second coming of god even as it says he's a king of israel even as it looks to the skies and says i am the chosen one ivanka remained silent in the midst of all the chaos depite the trump administration. What are you thinking well. They're on vacation. Let's start with that on a family vacation of wyoming and she's putting that on instagram and i think if you go back in time time on some of the controversial things are back though and regardless when you're working in the white house i talked to any ministration i i know i know but you you know they. They're entitled to downtown and if you look at her twitter account she listener bio mother daughter sister wife wife and third and fifth is adviser to the president so cough young. That's not the reason the reason is they have a life with kids and they're trying to raise their kids and so she's not going to comment on everything publicly. Excuse me if she has something to say to her dad. She says it in private and i think that's the relationship that it should be but some of these folks inside the white house have conceded to c._n._n. That they think when it comes to this disloyalty remark it went too far. I mean it has been widely criticized as you know that allied. I'm antisemitic. Don't you agree. I think isn't that a crisis moment in the white house. I don't think he should have said things like that. I think he's got to be really careful with how he chooses his words but i think what he meant to say is and this is true and this is true that traditional democratic bloc voters african americans hispanics jewish voters. You really need to start looking at an alternative and that attorney is the republican party and this president because of what has happened for groups across the spectrum. Everyone is doing better than they were three years ago. Oh and that's the argument is people. Doing incidents have increased economics since became president our people doing better when when people were chanting in charlottesville chanting jews will not replace us in the president is morally ambiguous threatening. These people might be very fine people how are doing better when there's a shooting a mass shooting at the synagogue in pittsburgh and the president blames the synagogue for not having guards there to protect themselves. How are people doing better when the president is tweeting antisemitic tropes loops calling hillary clinton antisemitic and and the and kevin mccarthy and the g._o._p. Are also engaged in the same things attacking tom steyer george soros and mike bloomberg how are people doing better than when we consistently see anti-semitism and racism bigotry from the president of the republican party. You're talking about to leave in those kind of things whatever when i was what i was talking about and what i meant of course and i think what he means by this is look. You need to look at a different perspective. You need to look at a different party because you've been voting democrat for a long long time and you know what it's time you give it definitely it is very clear what the president's trying to do is to label the democratic party as antisemitic. He's trying to definitely a problem. There's no question about that. It was the temperatures harassment members have been called out from within the party about antisemitic really haven't been called the problem the leadership leadership they have thick. May i please pose the question right or wrong. What he's trying to do is to label. The democratic party is as antisemitic addict. Disloyal remark is is shows that in and of itself do you think do you worry that it can actually have an impact on on the party. Well no because i mean first of all. There's any fixed principal in our constitutional system it is that the president united states is not to determine religious litmus test for people and you certainly can't set a litmus test that decides that if you don't agree with a particular governmental particular administration that means you disloyal to your country or you're not being. You're not being a good member of your faith secondly. The democrats have won the jewish vote in every presidential election. Since the creation of the state of israel in nineteen forty eight hillary clinton got seventy one percent of the vote barack. Obama obama got seventy eight percent of the vote. There was no indication of that trend is going to discontinue especially when you have an anti semite and the white house who refuses to do anything when when win anti-semitic incidents are on the rise in his own administration well. That's projection right now. You've got a cancer growing in the halls of congress members of the democratic democrat party. Some democratic jewish leaders have certainly spoken out against what they've seen and unfortunately though when it really came to the rubber meeting the road they they would not specifically condemn them in their congressional. We'll say does not help as we leave it here. It does not help though for republican party hearing what you do hear here from president atop really quick because i'm curious. Do you think jared kushner nevada trump. Do you think they have the kind of way that people try to say that they do with their with the president's son-in-law and daughter would definitely. I think they talk in private. They should again and your and your father used uh-huh brands public. That's just not fair to expect next new york's attorney general filing a lawsuit against the trump administration one every two weeks why she says she's not about to back down plus the c._e._o. Of overstock resigns after revealing he had a romantic relationship chip with accused russian spy. Why would the target the cases. We gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out police used luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood the drama but where was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools the subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every monday and thursday. You'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix <music>. Remember to create an ad like this one visit your winning dot com slash c._n._n. New tonight president trump facing yet another legal challenge over his administration's immigration policies this time a new rule that could allow for expedited deportations of undocumented immigrants attorneys attorneys general from eighteen states in washington d._c. Urging federal court to stop the administration in its tracks on this this is just days after multiple states also sued to block doc another move by the administration to limit legal immigration that rule making it much easier to deny green cards or visas for applicants who are seen as poor or having little education out front now as new york's attorney general latisha james who's involved in both of these legal challenges attorney general. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. I if i can ask hubei's de deportations. Why are you challenging. This rule of version of this rule has been on the books for years. Tommy so expedited deportations have been on on the books for a some time <unk> apply to individuals who who were one hundred miles from the border <hes> and individuals who have been in in our country for less than fourteen days. They've expanded it to include all individuals all individuals who are undocumented across the nation in in addition to that they will deny them due process rights. I believe in the constitution i believe in <hes> equal protection under the law and its value that i hold dearly and so i will not sit idly by while the constitution trampled upon and so it's really critically important that i along with my democratic attorney generals that we stand up and defend the constitution and we need to defend the law aw and we also defend marginal a marginal in vulnerable populations. It's also important to understand that we just recently filed a lawsuit against this administration with respect to the public charge ruled aw again individuals who seek to come to this country who need a hand up not a hand out and individuals who obviously need temporary assistance non-cash assistance for a limited period of time the public charge rule has been on the books for a long period of time decades long rule but in a change in the rule again would deny visas and what did i green green cards to individuals who need assistance. It's important that everyone understand that the best and the brightest should not only apply to those with money. It should apply to all of us. Your office has filed seventeen lawsuits against the administration <hes> in the eight months since you've a little over eight months since taking office you're also continuing civil lawsuit <hes> <hes> against the trump foundation and investigated the trump organization seventeen lawsuits that amount of time is a lot why so many seventeen lawsuits one every two leaks and since two thousand seventeen we have filed the office of attorney general and state of new york filed over sixty eight lawsuits and again it's because we are heated to defend the constitution and stand up <hes> for the rule of law and to again reiterate into and to stress that no one is above the law including the most powerful person in this country <hes> and across <hes> <hes> across the world and so it's really critically important that we underscore our values <hes> and that we stand up for the law in the equal opportunity and <hes> under the law and for justice as a whole and to stand up for the constitution to stand up for those individuals without voice president trump clearly taken notice. I wanna play. I'm sure you've heard it but for reviewers something that he said i was at a rally just last week. Listen to this. All new york likes to do is sumi. They liked to sue me me. They're always doing i said which lawyers handling that case now they sue me for everything so they can try to stop us by any any means possible and in a court filing earlier this year from attorneys for the trump foundation they said quote that you ran ran on an anti the trump campaign where you express grave antipathy an animus toward mr trump madam attorney general. Is this a vendetta. No by no means the office is not politicize the office based on facts and the rule of law and it's really critically important that individuals understand that and what we are trying to do is protect vulnerable and marginalized engine allies populations and stand up for the constitution and i will not sit idly by while the constitution is being trampled upon and and so it's really critically important that again we use the law both that's a sward nisa shield <hes> the president referred to me as a bludgeoning <hes> bludgeoning him and i sorta take that as a compliment the reality is again again the law should be used to she'll those who need protection and that's exactly what i am doing and standing up for the rights of new yorkers all concerned with with so many legal challenges what losing any one of them would mean in terms of giving president trump ammunition if you lost one of these cases so i think it's important that everyone everyone understand we have stood up on behalf of women on behalf of reproductive rights. We have stood on a we've stood up on behalf of the environment with stood up on behalf of immigrants. We stood up on the on behalf of against housing discrimination on a wide range of issues. We continue <hes> to use the law as a means to address wrongdoings and this administration nation has consistently and repeatedly roll back all the progress that we've made in this nation including but not limited to standing up to defend the affordable care act at a time when individuals are facing bankruptcy <hes> when they are faced with rising <hes> healthcare bills and it's so it's important that we have an attorney general who understands that the rule of law applies as to all of us and that i have a duty obligation to protect the interest in the rights of new yorkers the law applies to all of us yes but as we learned from the mueller investigation instigation for one it is basically impossible to charge a sitting president. Do you expect president trump to face charges in new york once he leaves office breath so again my issue again is making sure that the law is enforced and so <hes> as we <hes> investigate <hes> the trump foundation for example the trump foundation was formed at the nonprofit laws of the state of new york and and there have been individuals who have come to our office <hes> to raise some questions with respect to the trump foundation as whether and so we are looking into those <hes> allegations <hes> and ensuring that in fact <hes> the beneficiaries are protected the assets are protected and that individuals who contribute due to the fa- the trump foundation are doing it in a way that is consistent with the law and so all that we are doing is following the law and making sure that the law is enforced and at the <hes> an underscoring the point that law applies to all of us and i'm believing in this simple concept of justice and equality for law under our constitution seventeen cases in the four in the eight months yes does this trend continue under the opposite. Attorneys are all depends upon this administration. If this administration continues to roll back all the progress that we have made it in the nation if this administration continues to trample upon the constitution if this administration continues <hes> again <hes> to violate the rights of boehner marginalized populations than the office of attorney general we'll do what we must do and that is defend the law amateur donald. Thank you for coming in. Thank you really appreciate your time. Thanks so much thank you out front next overstock ceo out after divulging his romantic relationship with accused russians russian agent did he get caught up in russia's attempt to influence the election and we take you to the epicenter of buddha gis campaign strategy right now hi everyone. It's poppy harlow. Hope you are soaking up this summer son. I have a fascinating conversation on c._n._n.'s boss miles this week with cameron and tyler winkle voss one word bitcoin the twins known for facebook fame the social network. They're going all in on crypto currency. How did they get involved. Why are they so bullish. What are the risks associated with it. We dig deeper into what could be the future of money. Check it out today a._m. Subscribe on voss files for more enjoy. Hi everyone. It's poppy harlow for the last six months. We've been working on a c._n._n. Special documentary report and i'm excited to share it with all of you. We take you inside. The age of amazon understand the mission and the man and behind it. How did jeff bezos do it and where is he taking amazon next from the marketplace to the cloud to hollywood and perhaps to space you can find mind our c._n._n. Documentary the age of amazon on c._n._n. Go and subscribe to boss files today to hear some of my interviews from our special documentary report tonight the c._e._o. Of the major online retailer overstock dot com has resigned in the wake of his newly reveal romantic relationship with accused russian agent maria putina who's currently serving eighteen months in jail patrick byrne recently shared publicly that he was involved with a a free three years. His comments triggered a steep decline in overstock stock price last week which surge then more than ten percent today on news of his exit out front now a sara murray sarah. What do we know about this relationship between these two kate. Obviously this is a very weird story. You can imagine you know the c._e._o. Has now come forward and and said they he said in an interview with the new york times they actually met at freedom fest which is a libertarian confab in las vegas. They struck up this romantic relationship that lasted for three years and at some point burs started providing the f._b._i. With information about maria boutin a- about their relationship he now is saying that he i believe that this was some kind of deep state effort at politic- political espionage although he's not offering any proof to back that up now as maria bettina. It's unclear exactly what she wanted out of this relationship with burn. She was trying to make inroads with political groups including the national rifle association. She was trying to meet powerful people l. and ultimately she ended up pleading guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent. She's spending eighteen months behind bars right now. She's in prison in tallahassee slated to get out in october and and obviously all of this buzz around patrick burns relationship with her. You know his claims that this is some kind of deep state effort really unsettling to investors and ultimately inspired him to step aside absolutely thank you sarah is curious always has been maria boutin. I'm thank you so much out front now. Seeing a national security analyst steve hall was the former c._i._a. Eighteen of russia operations steve if dana was working as a russian agent if what would make burn a target well. This is sort of confirmation. If you will in my view is to the fact that rib was indeed part of an intelligence operation that was run by the russians i looking at the two thousand sixteen elections and then onward but you know if you look at it from the russian perspective from boutin filter she comes from a country russia that is ruled by autocrat vladimir putin who surrounds himself self for the bunch of really powerful guys that are known as oligarchs so when she comes to the united states with er tasking being do you need to look for important people in the u._s. System to plug into so that we understand better and maybe even influence what's happening in the united states. She's looking for an american oligarch so she reaches out to a number of different people. She was very active in one of the people. All the cheap makes contact with is the ceo of overstock and begins a relationship with him. This is exactly what the kremlin would have wanted her to do. Because you know big big companies companies big ceos have influence in the united states and that's what the russians were interested in doing influencing politics and other events in the united states so she was successful in interesting. I also wanna ask you steve about a report out of russia. We're finally starting to learn more about the highly secretive botched nuclear missile tests. Yes that killed at least five people. The kremlin is now denying a report from russian newspaper that a radioactive isotope was found in muscle tissue of one of the doctors who was treating eating some of the some of the folks that were injured. The more we hear the worse it sounds. What does this sound like to you. Well with this sounds like to me is is typical goal kremlin and russian spin of any situation. Look i think one thing we can be fairly certain of and this is not because anybody's a russia phobic because we don't like vladimir putin hooton or any of those things but it's simply based on russia's track record is that if they say five people were injured or killed then we have to multiply that at least by a factor of ten if not more it to get better idea i mean if you go back to the accident which bears a lot of eerie similarities as to what's going on right now. In in in our gone goals in the northern part of russia trump we see this pattern one thing that we can be sure that russia will do and the ladimir putin will do when when he's confronted with situations like this will deny everything he'll make counter-accusations counteract and he will simply refuse to admit that there's anything it all going on. This is a real chip on the shoulder that the russians have on their nuclear and scientific programs and they we are very very concerned about what they look like in the international world when something goes wrong yeah. That seems to be one thing clear here for sure steve. Thank you so much out front next. I'm going to take you inside mayor pete buddha judge and his make or break strategy to remain a top candidate plus. The man who paved the way for the designers dressed first lady michelle obama tonight the fight for twenty twenty democrat candidate booted trying to win over voters in a key swing state running ads on pandora and spotify as college students return to school well in new hampshire. Listen spotify. I'm me repeat budgets from south bend indiana and i'm running for president because our country's running out of time time but it's not too late but it is also making moves in iowa as he tries to regain momentum there. Phil mattingly is out front. Biography can grab attention. I'm definitely the only left-handed episcopalian maltese american gay war veteran and the race so i got that going for me. A message can create energy and raise money. Are you ready to turn the page and start a new chapter in the american story but it's here in homes like this just eight miles away from the iowa state capitol where campaigns live or die so we just want to rethink how you guys think about campaigning and how you think a campaign eighteen is done and this is just the beginning we're going to do this. It was the bio harvard graduate rhodes scholar military veteran maher that along with this in in town hall hall. We would be well served if washington started to look more like our cities and towns rather than the other way around sint pete buddha judge from nowhere pulling at one percent sent in march and the c._n._n. Des moines register iowa poll to a blowout twenty five million dollar second quarter fundraising number and firmly into the top five of democratic democrat primary candidates well. It's been a rocket ship but buddha juges rocketship moment at least according to the polls has passed in now. The campaign is under under pressure to turn that early rise and big cash into the type of operation that can win. This is the stage where i think the campaign is really to be one because now we have people people on the ground forming the interpersonal relationships that are the stuff of of good politics especially in a place like island and it's looming in caucus is ground zero for those efforts he'd with seven visits in the last seven weeks and a rapidly growing organization compared prepare to his competitors who have spent a year or more building their organizations buddhadev his campaign launched lean and minimal is just reaching full strength in the state with more than sixty staffers but it's the campaigns volunteers who are key to their strategy so there was a house party. Dallas county didn't know anybody pam a._m. Kenyon a democrat who's never actively volunteered on a campaign before is the prototype for that effort. He held the room and i wanted more and and i signed up and i was invited to do some phone banking which i did immediately the next week and the week after that and the week after that and then there was another house party i just i couldn't get enough with money. Media and more than five months to the caucasus budejovice has staying power in the race. Even if for the moment the polling has has hit a plateau you need to have that kind of army of people who can spread the message and often they find ways that i wouldn't have even thought of to describe what's at stake and why this candidacy matters explaining what this campaign needs to out it creates a whole new way to bring it home that just <hes> multiplies what i need to do for the podium or internet case. There's no question the buddha jewish campaign has the money and the organization to be in the race for the long haul but the big question is whether or not the long-haul can actually turn into a victory that victory may well lie but those volunteers and their relationships kate. Thanks so much great to see you out front next from jackie-o studio fifty four. It's the new c._n._n. Film about one of the most influential designers when you think studio fifty four you have to also think of designs by halston the fashion icon dress stars like elizabeth taylor and bianca jagger jagger ahead of the news c._n._n. Film about halston aaron sat down with celebrity stylist josie to remember the man the legend but first. Here's a look at the film success. Oh sure it's fan in it's not fun and as my mother says it's the price you have to pay the most successful individual in the history of american fashion halls costing costing. I'm most in new york. He's clues dan street. Bolton felt that he had to design. Everything rug shays perfume shoes bags. He came it came right out front now fashion journalist and former creative director of elle josie so look if people a sense of halston right i mean he was an all american hero from the cornfields of iowa originally right as he said moves to new york new york becomes a superstar in fashion reminders. It was how famous he was. How influential for people who see that and say wow. I didn't know i mean he really wasn't all american boy. His roy halston frowick from demoines wins iowa. He started off as a milliner hat maker in burger of goodman and really rose to acclaim because you will all remember this. He designed the infamous pillbox tattoo jackie o war at the inauguration of her husband in nineteen sixty one. I mean that the let's take a look at that read the person who could feel bunks and jackie kennedy yes i was it was very funny story because it was rather windy day and she put her hand on the hat and it ended up dan tended and so when doing all we'll just ceremonies and everybody who copied it but it dan which would so pretty incredible but it just goes to show you how influential fluential it was and his design absolutely i mean i think it is really the influence of the first lady the influence of white house but the influence of jackie o. I mean you look at this. She wanted something different. She i didn't love hats and she wanted to wear something different and she did and she created a lot of news around that particular. Look you know michelle obama also did that with some designers we think about jason blue tracy reese <hes> tha coon brandon maxwell a whole whole lot of them some of them obviously in his inaugural addresses or a big part of that <hes> melania trump of course a controversial first lady but one with glamorous taste and style. Is there any designer who could make their career. Eventually on melania trump or is it just too controversial. It's a very difficult place. The fashion industry israel has become incredibly political over the last years in terms of what it refused to even dresser obviously on inauguration but that we've never really eh hugely. It wasn't like he stood up and said take a look no honestly and wasn't like there was john press releases out. It was a very different situation and there are still allowed. Designers designers have refused to dress her and maybe the legacy malania will end up being the controversy all right. Thank you very much good to see you as always joe and be sure to tune in the all new c._n._n. Film halston allston. It premieres sunday at nine pm only on c._n._n. Right thank you so much for joining us everybody a._c. Three sixty starts right now.

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62. LIFE OVER DEATH: the global campaign to end capital punishment

Reasons to be Cheerful

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62. LIFE OVER DEATH: the global campaign to end capital punishment

"This as reasons to be cheerful with Ed Milliband, Jeff law, Lou. Hello, hello. Now. We we need to start by dressing little political rumor this week. Yes. So I think the started I don't know if it was in the new statesman's political gossip or somewhere, and it started to spread out where but there is a rumor that Ed is is considering a return to front bench, politics, and we've had. An amount of Email by which I mean, an Email from this does this mean the end of the podcast, and we just want to quash this rumor straight. I mean, what's happened. It was news. I must say this rumor was really news to me. I'm I'm on to carry on doing what I'm doing. Yeah. This been a misunderstanding. It's made is considered from politics. And I wanted to keep it quiet. No one's considering me. Somebody's got the wrong end of the. Yeah. No. I think is true. Isn't it that you'll being considering you'll be thought about as parv heading up a government of national unity? Jeff Crecy become a reality. Exact you know, we with staying together. Yes. Or no cracks in this relation. Definitely not definitely not. Good. That's the dress. Yes. And we don't eat for a withdrawal agreement. Because there's always go so. Well, exactly. Yeah. So a of cat through this week, lots on the podcast. So we should start by telling you what I female is. Yes. And we talk about something which is quite serious, which is the death penalty and efforts to abolish it in various countries. There's been news in the last week that Malaysia which kind of got a lot of people more than the thousand people on death row is going to abolish the death penalty. We're gonna be talking somebody from Malaysia about how that has come about. And then we'll be talking to two people from reprieve, which is an organization that campaigns in the UK. Elsewhere against felty is run by somebody used to work for me, and a yearly pot the long line of ex employees who've got onto better things. She's talking about their work in other countries or death penalty. I promise you, there are reasons to be cheerful. Yeah. Sounds a bit. But if you think about the way, this is moved in. Part of progress in a world that feels like things are going backwards to flee part, and as well as that we're going to be joined by comedian, Lauren Pattison, who's gonna be pitching us, some ideas. What's your reason to be cheerful? Just let one for me this week you high have managed to acquire tickets go see Jerry Seinfeld next year while which is one of my favorite comedians. I love that my favorite sitcom of all time. I love his web series that does comedians in cars getting coffee, and I just think he is a stand up master his so precise. So I'm very much looking forward to that to tickets, and you never know it. Whoa. Invited your Jeter. But he can't make you moments a two-way run-off between your my wife's carries. My most. She's going to win will say she she's got to win. Now. Maybe vibrated legend centers. I can let it go. What was your reason to be cheerful? My reason to be cheerful is something which is van averse Serie ish, which is that this week. It's ten years since the climate change act was passed by the house of Commons and came into force the climate change act was something was introduced by my brother completed its passage on to me when I was the climate change secretary is generally seen as a world leading because it committed Britain by law to cut carbon emissions by eighty percent with independent body giving advice to government about how it could meet these targets. It's been emulated in different countries around the world in different ways. And I'm not doing it simply the humble brag. Maybe that's little bit of it. I'm more doing it. Because I think I think it's two things one partly because of the climate change act. We have made progress the country so emissions in the UK back to the levels are nineteen ninety which is good. But also, we need renewed momentum in this. Because if we're honest climate. Has really slipped down the political agenda for all kinds of reasons. And I think it is really really important that we ramp up the agenda, and this I can't help thinking that the key to this is making economic and social Justice part of environmental Justice. So not just making about do we save the planet, but do each make society faira and better at the same time as saving the planet. I think that's in a way one of the things that's been a little bit missing. From some of the campaigning. Cheerful podcast about ideas with Jeff. We're joined now by seven Doris army executive director of SUARAM, a leading human rights organization in Malaysia thanks so much for joining us and give having me to tell us first. What's the history of the death penalty in Malaysia in Malaysia death-penalty has always been the face of the criminal Justice system? Racia- their Bill, Cody Chambliss share imported from India, which was introduced by the British during the colonial era was maintain throughout the years and extended to the security of incest within the country. So in gentle penalty is often shit with the fall murder firearm related drug trafficking and kidnapping which led to there and the moment that are at least one thousand two hundred seventy nine inmates on death row it most of them on death row for tracker drug offenses around nine hundred thirty two so the next largest majority of the death row inmate would be. Through for murder, and I think I'm right in saying that it was mandatory for certain offenses are up to now in Malaysia. That's right. Yeah. So defense is always mandatory especially for this for modify Rams related and also drug-trafficking and kidnapping, which led to death. So this mandatory death centers. Centers. A now we've got the situation where the government of a misdemeanor. Tia recently elected has said it's going to abolish the death penalty. Tell us how this is come about abolishing capital punishment is always ongoing campaign in Malaysia, especially from the civil society. But now after the government change and behind this political Elise allies, there's many of them were previously from the opposition who and some of them are working a work with us on the campaign against anarchy. So now they are with ago with my this cabinet. They're still old onto the relation and advocating for both in Ballymun and in cabinet to polish death penalty. I think so that's the change. How it happened needs everything come into pleases. Now does it need legislation to go through parliament to make the abolition happen. Yes. That's right. So that's the ongoing campaign. So. Probably this will be able next parliament sitting there is issues and campaigns already in public for the abridgement of the death penalty. I'm what is it? That has brought the campaign to this point of the government committing to the abolition of the death penalty. Even though the legislation has still got to get through. How'd you think this has come about apart from having these opposition parties Padre it what has been? The was had the biggest impact with the public. Okay. I how they came the idea of punishment is already there with the previous government. But we couldn't see much of the political will sometimes they say the green table department, and then they backtrack few times. So this been ongoing and then after sometime, they say, okay, let's start with the drug offenders drug related cases. So probably there will be a discretionary power rather than mandatory death sentence for the track offenders. Drag related offenses. But after the change of Goldman again, those in the cabinet now, those with the new government also people been campaigning against that centers before. So they were together with the civil society. They were advocating on on on. So now, the Goldman so it made much easier for them to push forward the already on the table of abolishing death penalty. So that made it easier. So now, it's already in the Ballymun already started talking about abolishing penalty at a prime minister promise this death penalty will go but public sentiment on the death penalty need to be tackled. So this is very important. Again. There is a need to be a holistic engagement with the members of public to ensure that the people understand the concern on death penalty, why it needs to go. This cannot be mere death penalties. Unjust and must be done with its to trade forward for them to seven. But it must be a holistic discussion on how this relative Justice serves better than reputation Justice and enlighten them, the bubbly on how there are at the Netease and second. Is a bipartisan support for the death penalty would likely be presenting the most countries who still maintaining that the government of the should not see to haul all the glory in. Holy Shing that energy and suffer political backlash when the move is seen as bipartisan. So bipartisan support would strengthen the move for bullishness. And would move are more effectively reach out to the general public and internationalized internationalized understanding of the reasons for polishing death penalties. When you talk about public sentiment how far off the public on this. If you look at percentages in in polling, what percentage of the public are opposed to the death penalty. I think it it's like still fifty fifty. But it's also sometimes when you have cases like one of the reason cases is like rape of a child, and then and the baby died so this guy. Supposed to be the guardian. Any rape the baby and the baby died, and the now everyone taking like, okay, you need to exception. Some cases you really need impose dead. So now if you do the survey now probably will be imbalance in terms of four the an audience. Against the death penalty as an experienced campaigner on this. What is the argument that has been most effective at persuading the public that Malaysia should abolish the death penalty? So the biggest arguments put forward some cases, which there is a new evidence led to clear his case back once you're already imposed the death sentence, you can reverse e so so that's why another argument that kipper said okay yard that that makes sense. Sometimes there's not enough evidences. But then you already centers them to death like if you one or two cases in senior or and then sometimes then you have a better evidence new evidence, you know, with technology, then you find out. Okay. So there's there's no clear case, but you can't reverse the decision anymore. The other issue formulation in terms of a death sentences. Okay. We have. Down south Singapore's neighboring country. So they've been like using sentences in many cases, especially drug related cases. And then in some cases, the offenders are not Singaporean they are from Malaysia. So they did traffic the drug and then they got hanged in Singapore. But the same argument this is universal call. So we hope you'll countries in this region reform sued wants militia have abolished this capital punishment. So there are countries like Singapore, Indonesia, lows probably follow because it is. It's it's a global trend many countries are slowly abolishing capital punishment. So let's the big hole. Cylinder asami. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thank you, which the license to be joined by Meyer, and Anna yearly from reprieve. Hello Hello before we get started. And you used to work for at. But he decided to do something easier working to abolish. The death penalty globally that must be less challenging me. I think it's quite telling I left working to try and NFL team may somehow. Bit easier. Your other sort of long line of people who have got onto great successful things leaving working for me. Yes. Of long line of people the last person to buy. I actually I my age. Lot before I started working for him. And I went up to help him over Brown suit. I have pictures of the Browns, which is basically my retirement fund, Brown code racy. In mazing mazing. So I went up to help Ed setup constituency on this date came to Doncaster two weeks seeing the sights on and I remember you took me to the greyhound racing. And that is when I first downs, and we went over and we had a disco. Remember, we all meeting was it could living on a prayer. Do I think that was when I realized that needed to be permanent. I don't think dance was the moment. I thought this man has to be because inflicted on the country here. In karaoke. It's basically about the level. He sings carry kind of similar relatively low. Definitely. So we should probably start by the talk about reprieve for people who don't know about the what you do can you. Tell us a little bit. Yeah. Reprieve is legal organization, and we work on the death penalty claim we also work on a in can't terrorism. Like one time obey assassinations trying to tax sort of thing. And we worry cherry. We found it by cliffs fifth nearly thirty years ago time flies when having fun guys. It's really years ago and Anna joined us three three. Sense of humor. He's not in the mood of it. We have not found any office. We did very serious 'cause oil. I just I think lots of our listeners will have this position. But it's kind of some may not and it was setting out why the death penalty about thing say for me. Actually, this really interesting when I came from my interview reprieve because we're pre has a quiet non hierarchical structure. I was interviewed by the people. I would be managing that was kind of keep mines v and Meyer asked me this question, actually, she said to me, why do you think the death penalty is wrong, and this is a mazing lawyer in America, Brian Evenson, and he he founded an organization could the equal Justice initiative, and they do a lot of work around and the racial bias of the US Justice system. And he I heard him speak on I saw him on YouTube, and he's got this amazing, quote, which is each of us is better than the worst with other done. And I think about that all the time. And if you think is similar crater sister, Helen Prejean, who's the amazing Catholic nun in the states who campaigns against penalty, and she was the inspiration for the film debt. My walking. And she always talks about you being the better than the worst, fifty minutes of your life. And I think about the law. I mean, the worst fifty minutes of your life. I think probably will you anyway that he's. On reflection. I think the biggest okay. I when I bring. We need to mention it. Definitely. And so for me, I just think if we say to people that killing people is wrong, which of course, is and then also Lucien to that is we're gonna kill you for sharing the killing people just seems crazy in such a stupid argument. I play Graham wanna think that so striking when you look at the death penalty in America, which likes to think that it has a very enlightened Justice system. And then you look at the death penalty in Malawi or Pakistan intonation all around the world. That's all it's always politically motivated. It is always those without the capital who get the punishment said speak. So the people who are the most impoverished of the people who had the most disenfranchised people over the most vilified in society, which means that it can then be used as a tool to oppress how society, so it's no surprise that. We have this big war on drugs. And then suddenly now we have hundreds of people being executed for basic drug addiction. If they even did anything at all and not of countries in the world, we have the war on terror and that's being used to justify ex. Cubans of teenagers in Saudi Arabia who attended protests. It's just such a slippery such even if you think in certain circumstances, it might be justified the ramifications of having a policy that allows us to kill people for the west fifteen minutes of their lives. So for example, that dance that's that's problematical. And so might not say that. But you can see the intention before we get into the specific work, the reprieve is doing give us the global picture on this. Because I think I'm writing saying there are some very bad things happening. But it is getting better the global picture, absolutely. Every year more states abolish the death penalty, either indoor and Pakistan. I'm talking globally and then in specific countries, we're on the brink of abolition in number of countries. And I think one of the things that when you tell people that you work on the death penalty people think it's very depressing actually not because if you win more than you lose your dealing with saving lives, and that means you have an amazing to you get to save lives every day and with definitely moving in the right direction. I don't think I think this will be a relic of and and this is one of the questions that we were exploring earlier with our guest from Malaysia civil why is it happening? The campaigners is it recognition about miscarriage of Justice is it will become a more humane world, which doesn't seem like lots of ways. What would you think? Hey is a combination of factors, but it doesn't work. Right. So anybody who has pro on yourself challenge them to say give me a really good reason for it because it doesn't provide a deterrent effect. It doesn't stop people committing crimes, and it also is costly not just in terms of the expense system but innocent lives in society. So I think as those harms in each country get solve. Solve as we're able to shine a spotlight on those particular problems in the particular context of the country people turn away from it. Because it doesn't make sense. It does make sense, politically, it's a cheap, easy political fixed. But if it becomes more expensive more difficult and something a political nightmare, which is our job all the time is to get in the way of that easy solution than I think people will turn away. And that's what we say. We'll get into some specifics in the but what the tools used to different different countries that using popular support what what's the ways of doing different in different countries. But also of underlying philosophy is always we have to courts that we working in. So we've got the core of law, and we can use that in some countries where there is a proper Justice system, and we also have the call of public opinion. And we kind of you those equally important, I think is to say because if you can't take people with you persuade them, then you're not going to be able to affect the change the one, and it's certainly true in some countries. Saudi Arabia is a really good at the core. Vlore is kinda next useless. What we have to use public next for an external organization. Exactly. So what we are able to ease in Saudi Arabia is public opinion outside of thirty Arabia. So in the U K or in America or another European countries in the time that you've been reverse about to just nitty three three. Time time flies. When you're missing me. What's your proudest of would you say, I would say it's probably Andy say being released from death row in Ethiopia. So he is a British Ethiopia man who has lived in Britain for about thirty years in London with his wife Yemi and their three children. Andy was a political activist in Ethiopia, and that's why he'd come to this country because it was unsafe to stay there. And he was given a death sentence in abstentia say basically in his absence, which is legal under international national law, an MD was kidnapped from an international airport, and he was rendered taken back to Ethiopia where he was held for quite like, flat, basically, and he was held for quite a while with that family, even knowing where he was I think they thought he was stuck at the airport. They were trying to get hold of him. And he was held in four years on death row. And actually it was his amaze. Using wife Yemi he wasn't his wife at the time. But they just got married after he was released Yemi came to our office to see Myron to see the team and to say, look, can I get your help and mire. Of course it. Yes. Absolutely. We're gonna help. And so we over the last four years ran a series of really amazing campaigns both in parliament, but will say an externally we did huge amount of public advocacy on his case. And then in may this year week phone call from Yemi to say, I just had if she just had a phone call from journalists and heath ups to sound it was being released that we can to end up happening. Think partly my correct me if this is I think, partly the political change within Ethiopia is definitely definitely tree. But also, I think for me, it just is a great example of where you don't give up hope, and you you make sure that this wools kind of attention. It's focused on somebody Ethiopia wanted better relations with other countries, partly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was keeping it as a political issue. Our strategy if we can't get into the country, we need to find another lever and Ethiopia this is participant like any. One of us who was sentenced to death for his for writing a book actually for writing a book called freedom fighters who don't know what? Freedom is he's living in London Northland near here. He gets kidnapped from an airport render tweet THEO Pierre where he's sitting on death row, and we needed the British government to do more. So we continue to push the case publicly politically legally as far as we could and lots of different fora because of that he wasn't forgotten. And because of that win that was the opportunity for political change with any THEO Pierre, the prime minister made Andy's case a key case on which he either took up his physician or didn't. He said Andy need to be released or I do not do that. I mean, it's amazing prime minister of Ethiopia wrote. So now Andy's role because he he was always politically active, but there's this international acknowledgement of his status in idiot outside and has this potential to do so much good from having been. Put through such awful torment. I think that's pretty fascinating. And amazing. And that case that it was not easy to take on. You know, it was a case where they said, he's a terrorist wasn't terrors. And this was a man who had written about the political parties as they were formed at the time, and they didn't like it. So we have to be really really careful about how we react when that bogeyman word is yes because the British government will hand off to start with. They said went, you know, there's nothing we can do. He's been sentenced to death by a court will maybe try and get contracts. That's not okay. With speaking the week. When Matthew hedges is beating tends to life in prison in the UAE, and people may have heard his wife talking about his case, his raises, you have the activism or otherwise of the UK government. What is your general experience on this is different in different countries, depending on commercial interests? We're going to be really polite now shit. Much. Actually, maybe we're not play. It is diff- on our relationship. There are lots of areas where we think they could be doing more. You know, we we have a principled opposition to the death penalty. I think of late there have been a couple of instances where we might have wavered on that print Seattle on categorical categorical rather opposition to it in relation to the extradition us. Yeah. Those even these case the former foreign secretary refused cool for his. Crystals called news release in the government politicians which individual members of parliament from blitz capacities. They would but and I do feel that has been a shift. I she with the new foreign secretary. He has been more vocal of around the case of Mackey in the UAE, but will say Nazanin in Iran. These cases that we work on because they didn't facing the death penalty. But he definitely has to be more vocal in saying governments need to need to act, and I think that feels to me to be repulsive change. And it does make a difference in this that question of where the noise comes the government has a right to advocate on behalf of their nationals. And also a principled opposition are the European Union. Plays an important role to. Yeah. Absolutely. They fund campaign and the advocacy work. They do at work about global abolition of the death penalty, and they fund a little Asians to America. Because this is a big focus of your work is one of the places. Where I think I'm right in saying that fewer and fewer states at least to implementing the death penalty. Yeah. So those a little bit about what you've been doing the, let's really it's really fascinating moment in the US right now, they we we do some casework on on individuals. But we also look at the method of execution and they use the lethal injection primarily. Although that's now changing in the US. And what what's really fascinating about that is it was brought in as this software, gentler more humane, and I'm using invested comers. Where killing an and actually the reality is, it's absolutely would be torture. You get traditionally a three drug cocktail of drugs. The first ones meant put you to sleep. But if it doesn't a second one paralyzes, you that's purely cosmetics that we the spectators the public don't have to see any suffering. It doesn't serve medical function. And then the third drug is just this extremely powerful Poten. Sint substance that acts like fire in the blood one of the supreme court justices said it's the chemical equivalent of being Bantu live at the state from the inside. And so this method which has been used for years and years and years and years, they started to have trouble in twenty ten getting the drugs, and what happened in this is where I came in and reprieve started working on the case, they some of the states somehow discovered a supplier working out of a driving school the back room of a driving school in west London act in Acton. West London, it's called dream pharma. And so we discovered this and started investigating the supply chain and found that this guy had sold execution drugs enough to kill hundreds of prisoners to states across the us. They were not FDA approved which means they want. They shouldn't have been allowed into the us in the first place. It did result in some what we call botched execution. US drug companies were not that point that point. I was in difficulties with. Factoring one particular drug. So that's why the states went to can't the UK. They object tend to act to dream farmer over these funny disclosures. Now, they give me less and less. But at one point we used to get reams of documents where they would have Email exchanges between corrections officials as prison officials. And there were some of these dream pharma drugs from Acton. Once we shut them off weeps sort of brought a judicial review and expert control in place. The government put an expert control Britain doesn't support the death penalty by with providing drugs for executions. So we won that one. They cut off the supplies. And then you see the scramble in the US. Whether all looking for the the drug dream drugs, and some officials in California traveled to our Zona, and our officials lend them some drugs, and they travel back, and they documented because I trying to prove they've kept chain of custody. And when they get back to California, they write to the folks in Arizona and alongside sang by your bed. They say you guys in as. Eta real life savers muggle irony because they provided them with the drugs that they wouldn't that they needed to start killing people. They still haven't started killing people and the positive side of this. Yeah. I saw that happening and traced the supplies discovered that the companies who make drugs which ended up fire dream farmer in the hands of all these executioners really didn't want that drugs used in education. They make them, you know, you can imagine the tagline we save an improve the lives and officer basically corporate reputation became a tool to really to reduce the youth of the penalty in the US, and it has worked it has. Yeah. Absolutely. And one of the things that we've seen to all of the companies that make execution drugs, which are of course, medicines being misused in execution chambers. They all they all oppose the misuse of medicines. There's now like fifty companies they've all put controls in place to stop prisons buying the drug, and that's at the impact of cost cutting off supplies in number states in some states have stopped executing altogether majority, actually other states are fighting legal challenges over new protocols and some states. Including the state that invented the lethal injection have now rejected it altogether, and they rejected on on the grounds that they say one the drugs legally to the lethal injection is inhumane, the state that invented the lethal injection said Oklahoma that they've seen executions and other states by lethal injection and not reflect on themselves, of course, and that looks inhumane, and that's really significant because it's the debunking of the myth of the humane medical execution. The figures on this to what the give us the headlines about what's happened. The number of executions in the last quarter of a century of the last few years, I've half the stays because of stays of execution because of lethal injection challenges only a handful of states really executing now, and that's a lot of that to do with drug problems. And a lot of it is to do with really really really good lawyers defending their clients who I got back to that. First point these. Are not the worst of the worst necessarily. These are the people who had the worst of the worst lawyers trial people who get the death penalty. So if we have good lawyers, and if they're able to bring the facts to court, and if they have time to investigate then very often death sentences, get tablet opinion, changing in America. It is changing. That's certainly the case in states where they then don't use it felty. Yeah. That's really interesting because somebody said to me doctor actually who used to be pro death penalty. He and then he learned about the lethal injection became anti-death penalty just unusual route in, but he said, I grew up in a state where executions were happening. And if the happening you think you need them to bit like any rule that we have in this country. If it's there, you sort of think, well, if it went there, maybe we all fall into anarchy. So if you can show a period of time with no executions at actually crime rates, don't go up and actually murderer maybe go down, then that's very persuade. Sive? I think emotionally for people. I don't think it some identikit art that people who've lived in a state where capital punishment exists think that that's necessary. And that maybe takes us back to what we in Britain and other countries that don't have the death penalty can do to say, by the way, guys, it doesn't sky doesn't fall down. And actually we have a lower crime rate or level homicide serious crime rate in Britain than we do in America. And indeed in America, the states with the death penalty have a high moderate, then the states without. So what was your role in highlighting this to the drugs companies involved? Well. Some of the companies didn't know when when state started to use new drugs the companies that didn't make those drugs fees cynical injection. So the first drug pentobarbitone was manufactured by a company called back. I spoke with the company they had absolutely no idea. This was happening. And they will horrified by it that that is absolutely. The case they are all our fight at the idea that drugs used to torturing company it happens to be it's in it's in Denmark. So I spent some time with the company and sometime learning how distribution controls work. It sounds like you. But I am very here's animal tell you. So I spent many many nights talking to people trying to design what would be the perfect distribution controls. The company did not immediately respond to my sanguine need to do something about this and no company had ever done this before they never implemented distribution controls. It sort of understandable. I at the time did not decided that that was not understandable. And that I would I would persuade them. And one of the things that I did was to show. Oh that the lethal injection really is inhumane was we did a press conference in Denmark at which I brought a lizard and visit. Yeah, I had a lizard on the table. I had. I had. Out of that grand. Deidra, had very. Friends. They yet. For my. No, I did not transfer to. But what I was saying was that it would be illegal to do to the lizard. What you are legally obliged to do to a prisoner in the state of Texas when you actually cute them using that paralytic drug that I mentioned that is torture in the American veterinary medical association says you can't do it when you guys animals so for anyone who says, well, isn't it just the same as putting you don't know, you absolutely wouldn't be allowed to do that. And interesting learned back when they when I describe the distribution controls. They see. In fact, I'm sitting opposite said why why don't we do that? We should do that. You sure it just wasn't. He wanted to get rid of you in the lizard comes direct said, we had a lovely lunch, and all of this sort of sauteed, and we have publicly announced that put the controls in place, and the comes passenger missile and said, you know, all of this was great really enjoyed working with you. The controls are amazing. Why did you have to bring the? He was really upset by the Lissette. Most of our listeners are here in the UK. If they're listened to these stories and feeling inspired by them other things are the things that people can do to support the work that you do in the support the campaigns bullish the death penalty worldwide that definitely are. That's a great question. So we have a very topic website reprieved oak dot E K and on that we run a huge amount with petition campaigns, and they might sound a bit sign a petition. But actually, they definitely make a difference and going back to the thing. I talked about earlier on Saudi Arabia where it's very hard for offs in Britain to do anything to legally in the country. What we can do is get people to put pressure. And so we earlier this year delivered a petition to the Saudi embassy. They wouldn't take it. My went with Bianca Jagger, and they refused to take the petition but had hundred thousand people had signed a petition to cool for Saudi Arabia to nor execute young people. So we've identified eighteen young men now, but they were boys and teenagers when they were sentenced to death, many of whom sensiti Filipowicz collectivism, one of them was sentenced to death because he'd administered a Facebook group say this is the pre he was actually on his way to the airport where he was going to go and take up a place at university in America on a sport scholarship says. Seventeen years old Mmashebi, and he was arrested on his way to the airport. And it is I firmly believe because of the work of reprieve and other human rights organizations that those boys that alive in Saudi Arabia because we have shown people in Saudi Arabia that we are watching and that the UK government and other governments and not going to let this happen and say signing petitions writing to your member of Parliament, I know MP's get shed lows from people all the time at she saying to your P you've got to raise this you've got to stop these executions from happening. British government does have influence in Saudi Arabia, and in many of the other countries where we work particularly in the Middle East. And so what people can do is. Why website look our campaign sign up petitions. But also, the the other thing that we do quite a bit of is when we've got people who are in prison facing death sentences. We will send them a birthday card will never fate. We will get thousands of people to send them about they caught. And I know some people think oh, isn't that? Nice. It's not gonna work. But actually last year we help secure the release of a young Irishman. In could Abraham Halawa and Abraham was seventeen when he was arrested in in Egypt. He was on holiday of its family, and he was rounded up on a protest in Cairo. And he spent nearly four years I think facing a death sentence, and we sent him a letter card signed by fifteen thousand people for his twenty first birthday. And we didn't know if he got it or not and last year he was released came into our office. Thank us. And he said the thing that gave me hope when I had lost hope. And that wasn't mazing. I mean, we were also slightly influence at that point. But that was incredible. And he said the Irish concert gave it to him. And they said we're gonna take away, but you can have look at it, and you can see and he read these messages, and he said at that point I was on the brink of giving up, and I I do think those things can make a difference to the individuals. Absolutely make a difference to the cases we've got one other question, which is we have the single in the coastal Jeff, oh, Chrissy, which is Jeff as the benign dictator ninety definitely have the death penalty. Let's say he appoints you as his sort of death penalty envoys anti-death penalty involved, but better better put we would you be the dancing and his voice. Well. For the job advisors. So what what's the thing? You would do what was thing you'd be telling him to do nothing. You be you'd be reprieve. Just maybe Pauley on the subject of British influence and the British governor controlling the bridge. Gary thought a Lenore scare is the current situation. The Jeff controls the British government. But what what what what could be what what more could be being done. I would say the British government have enormous influence around the world with a good thing or a bad thing. But they do, and I think the British government stand by their principles if we have principal being opposed to that I felt it which we've had in this country since it was abolished in the nineteen sixties then we need to stand behind that. And if that is saying other countries where they are using the death penalty as a form of repression and political tool, then we need to tell people that us wrong. And I don't think there's anything Clooney wrong about saying that I think that's using our influence for for good does work. Yeah. Absolutely. Does work. Like the case. I said in Saudi Arabia or certainly in other countries. It does work it doesn't work in every country. That is fair to say, and you have to do that. Kind of country by country, but I think the British government absolutely soundbites principles and when partitions facing terrible situations overseas. Whether that was the case of and Ethiopia or Matthew UA or Nazanin in Iran is absolutely right. That the British government say it's wrong. The participants are treated like this. Yeah. I completely agree. And I think it's also supporting supporting the organizations on the band in. That's what we try to do all the time is partner up because you can understand the situation on the ground and change it by working with the people who are experiencing it, and and they need that external support, it's not a colonial thing. Actually, if we can boost the case of a guy a kid and Saudi Arabia's dry from his bed, and brutally tortured and sentenced to crucifixion we should be doing that. And and people in positions of power in government like Jeff should be healthy. I. I'm in. We're in Myron. Thank you so much for joining us. Hello. Hello. It's me. We forgot to do the on this week's podcast were after the discussion. We kind of summarize it. And so what we thought is where we pretend the we're doing a cool. We've just worked out I think so because it would it would sound strange if we just recorded it and didn't village the fact that you're on the phone, I go to break down the full. Yes. And we got to admit the fact that we found out three days ago. We don't we don't wanna patronize them. It would. I think those was like bring bring. Yeah. Hello. Yes. We forgot just a bit sort of say really, it was going to be done with a wink to the listener Shuming that they would know it was all sort of done tongue-in-cheek LIC, which we again. No, no. This is fine. What did you do the episode? Well, I mean, I I'm struggling to think even more than usual. I'm struggling to think of anything that isn't inane because of course, the work that the doing reprieve is incredible. And the fact that more and more countries are bullish ING, the death penalty's is just a positive thing. No other way of looking at it. Really? I think that's right. And I think it's something about the fact that this is just. This is incredibly hard work. But that they're doing, but it sort of uncomplicated. Uncomplicate the work. The Coles Shamin definitely is awful and from stop and they all making a difference. And I think I think the message it sends is really encourage people to get involved with route Greaves campaigns Kevin's struck me about the discussion is they might be saying look external pressure is often counterproductive 's. Kind of makes people or as you could imagine people might think that, but obviously not external pressure really makes a difference and actually external pressure from Britain makes a difference that putting pressure our politicians or other countries is really important reasons to be cheerful with Ed Miliband, and Jeff law. So if you have any thoughts on what you've heard actually stories of campaigns that you've been involved in have made a difference. We'd love to hear from you can Email as reasons at Chipper podcasts dot com, you can find us on Twitter at cheerful podcast or an instrument to it's the same and on Facebook Facebook dot com Strug, whichever book us, let's this comes from Jay Ryan who says Hello recently income sation with former green party leader, Natalie Bennett and another person, then they mentioned that was interviewing you've Noah say, listen, that's nice. Yeah. Shutter to natural the other per the unnamed person. Yeah, I'm Jay. One of the loud wind. No, one creates an app to identify propaganda effects. People just wanted to say that I have well JR continues. I'm an educator and multidisciplinary designer and I've created a system of empty propaganda. The I call reset propaganda. A gave it this name because his aim is to use the common tools of persuasion and psychological manipulation found in all forms of propaganda marketing Tyler biases, provide alternative narratives and show. How these tools are used to manipulators thereby revealing methods to look out for in the future. This one comes Rachel Sedgwick. It's on the three day weekend says I have it behind the times, but I've just been your podcasts. And I thought it was interesting points are on the three day weekend. When you think about in reference to the Google model the four day week model is to have staff in less often. But permit more productivity would you create workplace environment than with fewer collaboration zones. And perks such as muscle Gitte cetera because that runs in taco traditions the way most modern certainly within tech companies themselves up a place where stall stay for long as possible potentially all through the night. But by sister, nap polls, in-house balls internal restaurants, ping, pong tables, gyms cetera thought, it was interesting. The both these employ folks is trying to achieve the same thing. But one encouraged off to stay for as long as possible and crates distraction one is his houses possible with no distractions. I think it is interesting because I think Bloomberg's top in kings cross. And I think they made a big thing that they weren't going to have in house did lose because Italy. Because you can teed massage gyms, blah, because they want to get out and about into the community and the didn't necessarily want everyone stay at work for ages would be interesting if there's any data on that Silicon Valley tech company model of stuffing with fund year. I tend to maybe they wanna treat employees. Well, also move. They will just keep them though. Definitely the flute. And this comes from, Dan and samba and the subject loan is an apology of sorts a says, I'm relative newbie to the podcast phenomenon and came to your podcast voter guardian article, and he talks a little bit. And polka study says a now for my apology. I am a reformed mind I fail. The subjects touched on with regards to media, forcing a narrative upon its readers and whatnot. Really struck a chord. I feel these narratives was strong well before the referendum even within the mainstream media, and we're really come into the fore ED's leadership of the labor party was happening. He says I watched back at speeches now. And I think what an inspirational person is. And was and yet when I watched them at the time, my I know best mindset made it almost impossible to appreciate an empathized. Just this joy that somebody's watching your old speeches. Yes. At least somebody's what was it? You said banging on something. I said bugging droves on thrown on with regards to speeches because of your own baggage. You thought I was talking about your speeches roading on. All right is also just a guest for a future episode, Email reasons. Cheerful Todd Castell, call find us on Facebook tweets. Cheerful podcast and joining us with some ideas that could be potential reasons to be cheerful comedian Lauren patents. Hello. Thanks for coming in the heaviness was going on with you at the minute must show. I didn't bre just yet. I never thought I would so so let myself in that was a really cool thing today. And I'm like a lot of admin I can do only that someone do this focus. And do you. Do you drive don't everything? So not that. So you, so coordinating trains trains trains. Right. Feel like they need to train point site that who annals that's a great idea too. That's good. Them. I couldn't re train points. Definitely slow. Any Bruin some ideas, which could be essential reasons, which was was your first one on this actually travel related? I want quiet so on and child freeze owns on like planes trains unveils. Queue somewhere else. Karen, there's nothing that stresses me out more than when I sit in the quiet cooked and get more stressful than getting onto a plane with a bogey smoking. If they add like of parent and child zones, it would be more chill for the parents because I like my baby can make much noise as they want to pretend the green with us sort of do not necessarily even that show. But but maybe we spent the other one be like parent babies owns right? Cutoff on the eighteen thirty. I get on the quiet coach and someone gets on for baby. Let you know that baby. Gonna be quiet. Don't the quad Koshi. Quiet coach, John quite. I think the shouldn't Banney kids lab at someone. You wanted. Trouble very into their react. The being comic is obviously the the the thing to do. Yeah. Definitely like I hit people looking areas that don't have been something of a tension talk into people's reading like the most appropriate career path. I think popping introvert, but being a performer of some kind. Yes, you're in control. Yeah. Definitely, you know, you doing on your own terms of Bill Iran Lendvai your today. Like, I can be this person for twenty minutes after the twenty minutes are over now. Anymore because we should be renamed info. Abandon this quiet. Intervals extras, but maybe that's good that you have one coach extrovert where I can go live chats. Coach of the middle ground. Finally, we. I get rid of plants other than trooper coach an extrovert coach, I'm into it. Yeah. Finally, we we've blurred through this for over you. What should it start do alone? Listen, I go movie with my nephew is very good. Seven very cute. Your trouble trends, I've got on the I remember once getting on the bus with him when he was really like walking ahe didn't need a bogus. What's been maybe four or five and he fell asleep with his eyes open. I was just produce them. And I was like a few my fitness just not answering. It was the creepiest thing I've ever seen. We just like carry them off the books, and then he walk up on me on just like jolly didn't even Finke fell asleep. And there's a date may it was very weird has ring. Wide. Open like glazed over. No, no. Already possess. Sister's best a demon. But we watching the LEGO movie and how they have taco Tuesday, and it brings everyone again. Confuse introverts nightmare though. But it's nice to have one day where everyone's like, would you? Every day every other biannual would you like stay in your house? Not let other people do feel and Paul of something kind of not like, Jeff, I know I wish people well. The St Paul. Everybody enjoying themselves. What are your community? You wanna bring the communities we need something. Like in the LEGO movie that brings everyone together a little bit community spirit as they've ever the use of the extrovert introvert. I think I am. All right one last idea. Lauren do and I'm not kind of all ready. So of thing I wanna make it more of a thing. I think young people need to get more involved with politics and that women in the world by place. This is a young person young person five one young person too. The problem is loft. With you. She was. Yeah. It's too convincing, and it's not acceptable enough. So we need to think how can we got politics two young people people love violent. I love violent and I get so behind people on reality TV shows. I think we need to sneak politicians like into low violence into the circle, and then people will find themselves getting rainy like behind these people and not realizing that was fun. I should say that because I was listening to the arches on the way David a going to a seminar on the opportunities and challenges of Brexit. So there you go. So when people say, and if you do what you got me out of here, you would have a wider audience than you'd ever happened. You could be able to get your message across to the Electra. What's your is? Not doing reason why why is that a nonsense insects, right? Not to get sexes. More. Across not to go on with like, it's PowerPoint Brazil. Universal basic income. Fifty one. Options. I'm a celebrity. Strictly used is been done strictly be done. Big brothers doesn't exist. Love island. It seems that you're up shit. I'm not going on level officially announce tries. Don't mind doing a cameo PowerPoint. Like a weekly challenge. They lose the challenge. Lauren wanna come and see year? How can they find out about this tool that you've decided to undertake yourself transport interesting trae and in the client? Interval? Follow me on Twitter at lower parson, then apostrophe thing on their thanks so much. Reasons to be cheerful with Ed Miliband. And Jeff, Lloyd, we're in the outdrew. I know what I want for Christmas, by the way. So this man called Mr. L who's I think this type rouses name published? A book about words, the going out of fashion the words as a scripting language, and sort of remarkably or not remarkably this to be mostly words. A us. I'll give you a little sample licks middle. Definitely one of mine got souks. That's sense. Since one of mine, patchy fog, England, compute, rob. Because I mean. All words. I would definitely use Kreider. There was a crumbs is going, right. He did leave do a Rudy. Obviously the power plant less. You're preserving. Preserving these words. Yes. Generation us, right? Frame. It's about that's my role. But anyway, so that's my bid for Christmas present would you like Christmas world peace? I'd I'd like a recording of use angle these words for posterity. So that they're not lost. We could we could do reasons. Beautiful time Cup show. You know did didn't blue peaks where they buried one. We could very simply about garden with all. Your your strange words mannerisms ceremonial. Yes. That's not bad idea. We do have. Thank you. Yes. So I'd like to thank civil Doris army and a yearly admire four and thanks to learn partisan. You can find on Twitter and in the nation's comedy nights up and down the country. And the caution produced podcast. Get Lofthouse is our announcer James Deakin mode the seeds. Composed the music. So he's been Mr. woefully Rooney. He's been Mr. legislator. Lisa pay.

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From the Archive: Simon Doonan

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

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From the Archive: Simon Doonan

"Design Matters. We'll be back with a new season starting next week in the meantime. We'd like to rerun an episode that originally came out in April of twenty eighteen support for design matters media is provided by Wicks DOT com which puts the creative power of building dynamic web sites back into the hands of designers as is anyone who has spent time in a wizard platform knows what you see isn't necessarily always what you get on the flip side for some it's for too easy to get lost in code and lose the forest for the trees wicks dot com allows you to find your own personal sweet spot and take control of your site eight with their drag and drop editor hundreds of advanced design features such as retina ready image galleries custom font sets. HD video and parallel scrolling effects and even service hassle-free coding for robust websites and applications with Wicks DOT COM. You have total control of your web design like never before so join wicks his brilliant community of designers artists and creatives large around the world for free free and ask yourself. What will you create today. This is designed matters. That'd be moment from design. Zainab Zimmer Dot Com for fourteen years now debbie moment has been talking with designers creative types about what they do how how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about on this podcast Debbie millman talks with Simon donut about his unlikely career and his formula for creative window. Yeah displays try things. Other people aren't doing and they'll automatically have some kind of impact. Here's Debbie. Millman Simon Dune is a true polymath. He's written seven books including one that has been produced for TV by the BBC. He's it's been a guest star on America's top model. He used to impersonate Queen Elizabeth in public appearances his appeared more than once on the moth for decades. He designed the windows for barneys where his title is creative ambassador at large and he's here today to talk with me about his multifaceted thief faceted career and how he manages to do so much so well. Simond Union welcome to design matters. Thank you for having me Simon. You've you said that you have no recollection of your twenty first birthday or what you did last Christmas but as long as you live you will. I will never forget how when you were six years old. You're mother's sneezed. Her dentures fell out of her mouth hit the kitchen floor with a sharp clack. Ronald's sideways across the linoleum floor while your mother in her tight skirt and white stilettos chased him down. Would you say disappeared. MICES your childhood in a way it. Does I mean I think the point that I was trying to make when I wrote that anecdote was The for me. I kind of remember the jarring things more clearly than I do. The pleasant things like the day at the beach which was kind of perfect. You don't really re- well I don't really remember it very clearly but when things go horribly wrong or when they're very jarring or dissonant isn't or theatrical melodramatic. Those are the things that I remember most clearly and that's not necessarily a nice thing you now. That's just the way it works in my head. She was in her thirties when she had oliver teeth pulled to get her dentures. Why did he do that. well back then off to the war like Post War England it was very sort of squalid and deprived and the nineteen fifties fifties off to the war was not an abundant time. I think of the reparation money was going to Germany's countries in Europe and in England. We still had rationing questioning and my recollection is that most adults over the age of twenty five dentures dentures everywhere like soaking working in glosses everywhere you know we lived in a two room flat with no kitchen and bathroom. My parents had called board in this shoes. I'm I'm not complaining. I'm just saying I've seen things go from that kind of grim postwar thing and I think that's why the sixties was such a sharp contrast. I was actually interviewing poll. Smith the other day and I asked him why. Why do you think the sixties had that. Look you know the economy street thing. Why did that happen and he said well. After the war everybody was very threadbare and so the MoD kids it was a way to rebel was to where these very persnickety tidy view if you look at those early pictures of David Bowie when he was a maude it's just so neat you know because everything seems so threadbare in chaotic automatic. You were born in what you've referred to. As a grotty gritty post war industrial town called reading which is just outside of London the same same year that Queen Elizabeth the second ascended the throne as you've mentioned you lived on the top floor of a dilapidated rooming house in a two-room flat and your father other made furniture out of orange crates I believe but you've said that. Poverty is vastly underrated. Why is that a my parents. It's always looked on that time when we lived in the Little Garrett as they always said Oh that was a really happy time we were very happy then you know they both fall the Second World War. You know they were happy just to have a pack of cigarettes and some boiled potatoes and just to be free in the end of the war because not having anything is sort of easier than wanting loads and loads of things you know there was something something very elemental about that level of just not having a lot of stuff eve stated that your mom kind of looked like Bette Davis with the upswept rolled hair and the overpainted lips and she always wore a long line girdle even though she was really skinny and she I smoked and you referred to her as a very film noir check about your mother and father worked for the BBC. Your mom was a clerk in the news department and your Father Moniter return foreign broadcasts and while your parents both worked they placed you and your sister Sheila in an orphanage and I believe it was a real Dickensian Lord Lord of the flies type orphanage why they do that well My Dad was actually unemployed for the first three. Four years is of a child's. He looked off trust. He couldn't get a job because he didn't have been to college. He left school at fifteen and he was trying to to learn Latin and my mom went out and worked every day and she was like ten years older than him smart and shady progressive ten years older than her. He's wouldn't think about stuff like they met in a soup kitchen at the end of the war and they got married two months later. I think it was like they both run away from home. mm-hmm so the you know it was a very sort of unconventional free kind of time but he didn't work and then somehow he talked his way into this job in the BBC where where he was monitoring propaganda from Radio Moscow and he sort of presented very well my dad even though he had left school at fifteen in sixteen so he got this job and they had figure out what to do about childcare so there was this local orphanage where they dropped to self every day and it was laughing but it was very grim and my sister and I still talk about how horrifying was because these are like war orphans refunds and John saw throwing the law them were very angry. Kids and sorry yeah you know I think these things very character building and you learn early on you know the life is hard and my sister and I still talk about it and she still gets teary. I guess being a guy. I don't react that way but it's sexist didn't mean it to be I. I didn't take it that way. As you growing up you worried that you were doomed to a life of deranged misery and imagine that your future would be a grim montage of hallucinations electric shock treatments and nicotine. This was furthered when you failed the entry exam to get into grammar school why we used to worried you bet this. What did you do after you failed the entry exam to grammar school as I go to old I started to see the circumstances around me. Were quite grim. You know we eventually moved out of the two room flat into a house with my grandmother. My grandmother who had a lobotomy and my paranoid schizophrenic Bernie Kahn Coal and I thought Oh God you know is that all there is what saved me I think was discovering fashion and style while and I think I looked at my mom and she would get up every day and we wouldn't see her for an hour or two. She'd get herself old done up. I've never saw her without makeup head on outfit pulled together because she had this vanity. That was a very life affirming kinda vanity. It was like okay every day should go out work. A couple of jobs come home cooked food for the lodge's she worked her azoff but she always looked good and she was pulled her look together and she could have become very downtrodden and press looking but she didn't she she resisted it and she always fixed yourself up and that kind of vanity is a very life affirming force and and I think about it as you got older. You stated that you were excessively focused on obtaining freedom which comes with having a bit of extra cash in your pocket and you were prepared to do whatever it took to get it at that time you were washing dishes at the Mars bar factory canteen when you were working at a local cork and bottle top factory you thought at one point you might get a job at the Huntley and palmers biscuit factory where you would work until you fell into some heavy machinery went mad or both what what were you thinking that you might WanNa do with your life at that point it was more about what didn't I want to in my life become I was becoming increasingly focused on the idea of style and celebrities and fashion and the sixties Steve were happening and the Beatles and these people seem to be having fun and looking good and it seemed to be the end antithesis assists of what I was seeing in front of me which was the sort of fairly dismal postwar scenario and I did fail the eleven plus us so that meant that when I went to school and then at the age sixteen we will kick out into the world and that summer my my mother got me a job at the bottle top factory and I worked there for the summer. I thought you know I have to get my ass in gear. He was Sashi very motivating to me to be in the sort of dismal circumstances and most you know I motivate myself. Mike could've could've gone the other way. Yeah given what you were growing up when well being gay was like a big advantage which sounds weird because back then being engaged was illegal like homosexuality was only legalized in nineteen sixty seven so it was like Oh. You're really a marginal person. If you with gay you know my dad you said to me. Oh you know gay people I get arrested. Blackmailed put in institutions like and I just thought Oh year but I'm one of them. Blah Blah Blah at that time probably I'm guessing but none of that was talked about it made me very self motivating so I I have to get to college and then I can and then I can and then I can so I became very driven at a young age and I went to Manchester University. St and purely bootstrapping it myself you know. I couldn't understand why the other kids the grammar school would not paying attention in how you gonNA. Pass your a levels and go to college. You could be stuck in this town forever. If you you know I was very goal oriented simply because of having having sort of been to the bottle top factory before you got to Manchester. You had a bit of an epiphany while crawling around the floor of your parents bedroom dream in search of you're missing cat you happened upon what you referred to as the very meaning of life or so you thought at the time he tell us what you found. Yes I found a copy of Nova magazine. Actually my mother subscribed to Nova magazine. Nova magazine was a progressive yes groovy switched on fashion magazine the had articles by Kenneth Tynan and Harold Pinter and great beat fashion editorials that were very sort of fashion forward and avant-garde. We're talking like nineteen sixty seven sixty eight and so you know here was this other world that was half an hour away by train with these people were leading these glamorous trendy fabulous lives so being trendy to me seemed like the antithesis of being dismal and locked up in a lunatic asylum or working in a bottle top factory so I was looking for this this alternative universe that was all pristine and corrosion salary and fun and glamorous. I thought those people are happy well. Well you went to Manchester after that but you studied psychology and art history why not fashion or something a bit more creative it never occurred to me like back then going to art college which I considered was considered beneath going to university. If you could get into university you went. It was purely oh you know if you can get into Manchester University. Go because it's good after college you worked at a department store in town called John Lewis with a friend who looked like ziggy stardust was that James biddle comb well. Actually I went home after college and actually got a job in demolition because it paid more money and then I did that for a while and it was just horrible we would demolishing public toilets. It was one of the most greatest hammer you yeah things and breaking and one day I remember thinking this is just not more and I don't mind if I take a pay cut. I'm going to work in the local hokey little department store and there was a John Lewis store in reading so I got a job John Lewis in the department store and my best friend who I'm still in touch with. He went on to become like a big drag performer in London and then now he's a cabaret performer and that is James. James Bill comes those names James biddle calm. Everyone knew him as biddy. He became quite well. Known in the seventies eighties and he still performs he and I actually went to Butler wins which is an extraordinary experience that not many people seem to have had in this very working class it was it was what working class people if they were going on holiday they would go to bottling some of these weird buttons holiday camps. I mean I guess the inviting would be sense. Goes there bel places like the Napoli like him they would have plastic parrots and plastic flowers hiding from the seething over the swimming swimming pool and I think that's where I got interested in display. It was extremely tacky. lowbrow kitsch nor ironically and that's where I think I got interested in display was going to butler with biddy anyway so flash Ford early seventies. We're both working in this department store and we just basically go on the train and went to live in London and lived in squalid bed sit which is like a studio apartment minus any amenities. It's basically a room and we just had a great time and back then we didn't worry about all careers. Samonte much we were worried about if we could get in this place or that place or who we knew what close we could buy and it was about how ver- tremendous emphasis on exhibition stick fun like. Glam rock was the big thing back then it was sort of off to the hippie thing came the Glam rock thing with Bowie Louis and Marc Bolan and Roxy Music and we were very into that getting done up and going out and raging on the town so tremendous tremendous emphasis on social life and not thinking much about career and then bit by bit. I got interested in the window displays and I got to know the guys to change the window and they introduced me to other people and that's how I got into window display so it was like being a salesperson is fine you don't have anybody can do it really if you are interested in fashion but the window display thing was a little more interesting there was more to do like being busy so bit by bit it began getting sucked into the wonderful world of window display and is it true that you started doing window-dressing just by going into stores and asking who does your windows while my first. I window jaw was Akwa. Scoot them which was like burberry. It was a heritage company very sort of frumpy conservative and that's where our socratic people there raincoats the Queen would wear Akwesasne twinsets whether set an a tweet skirt when she was walking the corgis Organiz in the have so I worked at Akwa Scooter and and it was interesting I learned law especially brought. Men's display pudding suits boots on bus foams carding shirts. There's a lot of technical stuff with men's display in particular and I wasn't designing the windows rose. You know that was I was like Sh- trim what was called a trimmer and so then after that I went to work at tumble and asa which was sort of a very heritage oriented company and I used to do the windows but I was also the show delivery person to deliver shirts to hotel's for rich clients and by then I saw doing freelance jobs so I would be walking down street and I'd see a little boutique the way you would in in Brooklyn or the East village you see a small shop and I would just go in and say oh who does your window. You know I'll do it for five pounds or something like that and so I built up this little repertoire of window freelance jobs in addition to my main income from tumble and ASA and I had a couple of really great freelance jobs a lot of them were very low level dress shops shopping malls and and then I they had these two great ones one was told me not a who was the first trendy tailor on savile row. He's the one who designed is on Mick Jagger's wedding suit when Mick Jagger got married to Bianca Jagger she was wearing a white saint laurent suit with the big hats on the famous pictures of of them online still people look at those pictures and say Gothi elementary lavarice and told me nuts made mix suit and all these rockstars aw people used to come into told me not to change the window there the other one was surely Russell who was the wife of Ken Russell and and Ken back then was extremely important filmmaker influential filmmaker who made women love the devils boyfriend you know a great number of films and they were all sumptuous and beautiful films with amazing costumes and incredible visuals and a lot of that came from Shirley Russell his wife so she had this staw on Portobello road that would sell vintage clothes that they used in the films they would rent things it was it was a high end vintage shop called the last picture frog and I used to do their windows and that was really fun because the Clientele with these super groovy rock chicks who had come in and buy a vintage poiret dress and then from the savile row freelance job. I was in there one day and this guy came in and he said Oh did you do the window and I said yes and and he said it's really cool. It's so great and he was American and he said it what the window was actually these tuxedos with stuffed off the right wing and trash cans it was like the idea of trash and rights but with these super swanky you tuxedos with these stuff rats and little wing callers on like Downton Abbey on the rats and so he said that's a really twisted window window. You should come work for me and so I went home to biddy. My roommate and I said he was getting ready to go do his drag act and he and I said Oh some guy offered me a job in. La and he said where's that an I said I don't know like literally that gives you some window into how Farrell I was and how feral my roommate was. We just vaguely vaguely knew because in those days if somebody flew to la they didn't come back. You know if somebody flew to Australia. You didn't see them again. It wasn't like now how fly here fly the so. It's a really long way away and anyway I thought God maybe I should go and just is packed bag and went to live in. La when I was twenty five on my own with the promise of this job and I got there and it was just a tiny little store with these two little windows that was max go Max field and was it Tommy peers who actually came in and found you and it is one of the most creative retailers Salas in America. He's a real visionary he was in. La He had this little storefront near the true dual and he brought in the most interesting designer designer clothes and he had this great clientele in this funny quirky little shop. He's a real retail visionary who should be celebrated for that. He brought in. I posted to bring Japanese designers. Ally Armani he brought all that stuff to the west coast and he had the most incredible Clientele Liane. Tell like share fleetwood. Mac fleetwood Mac Natalie would not only would remember her coming in and you also had a t shirt business at this point in your life in which he knows they had a huge role in all aspects of your personal growth. My mother always had lots of jobs you know she she two or three jobs then she'd have a Saturday job on Saturday. She go work at the local newspaper and she'd sit by the phone writing down the soccer scores. They will cold in you know as they happened so I was like that same in Tallahassee every day how different job so myself and a friend. Jackie Tyrrell will achie- started this t shirt business and then I helped over there and then we did more more more and it grew she went off to work with one of the people we were selling t-shirts to and then this other girl Beverley Klein who has a great clothing line in La she and I carried on silk screening hand painting making dresses out of t shirts shots we buy t shirts in Chinatown and paint them and embellish them we're talking early eighties so yeah imbalanced embellished t shirts and I learned how to Silkscreen and hand pain which inks to use and how to wholesale and I always say I learned a lot of practical Michael experience because of you know we were so excited to get our first order from Judy's chain store in La and so we shipped it off and then we were wondering like one of those people are gonNA pay us. This isn't fair and I finally plucks up the courage to call and I said you haven't paid us and they said you the people that didn't send an invoice or any any return address so you learn a lot of practical experience having a t shirt business how to make drying racks out of clothes clothes pins and the last stick. You said that you don't know why people by the to go to fancy colleges everything you need to know about life and more could be learned to the operation of t shirt hurt business. Yeah that is one hundred percent true like I think of the practical stuff that I learned how to get things done in the right order how how to get things done quickly anticipating problems all the things that serve you really well in life. I learned having that t-shirt business and I think it's it's set me up well from my job at Barney's. Will you stated Max `field for eight years. What made you decide to move to New York City well. I would probably still be there. I stay at it places a really long time. I'm kind of inert. Once I get comfortable. I loved Max field but a friend of mine said let's go to New York and volunteer volunteer the costume institute because every year Diana Freeland has these big costume institute shows at the met and I said Yeah Yeah Yeah. I've been to the exhibits but I never thought about working on them but I'm not volunteering. Hello I'm a professional display person. I would take jaw aw volunteering hello so and I should say at this point it was the middle of the AIDS epidemic just really getting going a Lavar friends with dying and it was a really grim time that is hard to describe to people who want there but it was horrible. Just imagine listed in New York City during in Manhattan here all of a sudden all your friends yes terrible so we went to New York. I talked my way into a job. UH-HUH OUT THE COSTUME INSTITUTE WITH DIANA RE Lund Working on an exhibit called costumes of Royal India in one thousand nine hundred five and for like four months worked at the MAT. She wasn't there lot. She came into the Watch what we were doing it the exhibit she would make hilarious comments on the way the mannequins Kim were being positioned. Tell us one one little tidbit of taste. She was looking at the my job on costumes. Royal Royal India was display design us so I had to sort of figure out what mannequins were going where which they're on positions would be shying create vignettes and yet and tableau with these endless array of mannequins or wearing bejeweled saris turbans and diner Freidan would come wishing into the room and she would say they look like they're waiting in line at the A. N. P. Something like that and you think Oh God. Is that a good thing or bad thing and then she kept making making all the painters repaint the walls of the exhibit and I remember they re painting the gift shop which was she wanted painted gray because all of the rooms painted these vibrant. Brent Indian colors Magenta cobalt blue blah blah blah. The gift shop was GonNa be gray and they couldn't get right and she'd go in and say not that gray. Hey I want the gray of quakers unlike maybe because she didn't use pantalone chips and she was very inspirational figure and and you know you gotta remember this woman that of Penn avalon broad of it which you know rouge cuts we she discovered discovered made created the I the fashion vision what things should look like in those harper's bazaar and vogue when she was the editor with incredible incredible bravado and panache and you know she was an unconventional person and unconventional thinker who worked in a conventional mentionable place in our she was in the met in a museum. She was very unconventional visionary so that was a thrill to be around her. How did you get your job at Barney's well at the opening party back then they did have an opening gull back then but it was a small dinner there was a socialites and people like Paloma Picasso or Pat Buckley. Whoever the socialites were back then talking mid eighties and then they would be this afterwards on the temple of dental that the hallway pulawy could buy a ticket to so you. Could you know I I didn't go to the dinner. No just very chichi. Group of people went but I so I'm going to splurge spend a hundred dollars on a ticket for the off to party which people didn't call it that then but I went with Susanne Bartsch. I remember she was my date and John Begum who who was a fantastic fashion personality who created that line go silk and so they were my dates and we had a great time and John. John introduced me to gene pressman who was Barney's and he said Oh. I know your windows. You do those those sort of unconventional. I'm crazy windows at Max field because that was my reputation that I had done these rule breaking unconventional Punky Edgy Edgy. That was my thing. There was enough people doing conventional glamorous stylish windows. I wanted to do crazy things that hadn't been done in in window displays before so that's how I got my job and he said come work for me and so I came in nineteen beginning of nineteen eighty six and and started working at Barney's and it was an all consuming job you know the store was just about to expand opening a big new women's store on Seventeenth Street it it became my life and I'm still involved thirty two years later however many years it is and it's been a very very interesting adding growth experience for me. It was like a family experience. It was everything really because I was always involved in the windows but over time I got more responsibilities disabilities advertising publicity store design. I worked on other areas in the company and always enjoyed it even when it was very challenging. It seem very interesting. I was always learning something new and I didn't have a safety net. You know I had to make a living. I would say my main interest in life. Were being financially solvent. I'd put the number one and number two is being creatively stimulated and so- Barney's hit check both boxes barneys has always been creatively fascinating interesting company. I had like twenty minutes to kill very came to meet you and I just went in. The storm walked around the handbag area. I just WanNa see what's new look. Who's doing what colors so so. It's been never not interesting to me. I'll never forget my first experience of your window Simon. It was the late nineteen eighty s and Barney's was in the flagship on Seventh Avenue Between Sixteenth Seventeenth Street. I was living in a fourth floor tenement walkup on Sixteenth Street between eighth and Ninth Avenue now and I would go to Barney's every Sunday to window shop and fantasize. I couldn't afford anything in the store. I was really into Isaac Mizrahi and one of the most memorable experiences I had. I really have to tell you that. I think that this was life. Changing for me was when you did all the Christmas windows as the swanky bathrooms with the seven seven swans and filled bathtubs full of products and vanities full of makeup. I never considered that life could be that glamorous. It changed my aesthetic immediately. I suddenly needed to have at least one or two beautiful things around me and and it's always been that way ever since will I remember those windows vividly and what I did was. I had a friend in London who used to do these sort of loose sloppy. The paintings of Beata Meyer Patents from like I dunno whenever that is ninety early nineteenth century and his name was mic occurred and he painted all his backgrounds. We made giant swans out of paper. Michelle had never seen such product before. I'll always love the idea that Barney's was this high end glamorous store you could buy our mas- or Jill Sander or Prada but the windows were going to be hokey. Crofty of bit of Coney Island learned a lot of people a lot of found objects a lot of repurpose things so it wasn't like Melissa Swanky expensive store. The windows have have to be swanky if anything I pushed him in the other direction where the windows should be crofty Malacca side show in Kearney Kinda Hokey but then there was this luxurious product in these and there was a wit to everything that you've done. There's always been a sort of sense of cheek. One of the things Salaam from Diana Rowland was that it wasn't really fashion unless there was an unconventional unexpected component so it wasn't enough that just you have a sleek gorgeous girl and asleep gorgeous dress in asleep gorgeous room with asleep gorgeous makeup and and and is much more interesting to take a girl in a sleek gorgeous dress and put her in a building site or in a fruit market or the an he your now on a pile of trash or in the N. P. So in other words context that's to me what creativity is. It's like just looking at about things from different angles not doing what's expected trying to think what other people aren't doing like one of the things that Linda Fargo bugged off she she says to me you know you invented the messy window and I think she's right. I did invent the messy window because I used to look at windows. Thank God it's kind of a pain in in the ASS that windows have to be so perfect. The floor has to be freshly painted. All the sign inch has to be straight. You're measuring the spirit level and I thought what if it was a complete hellhole mess beyond anything and I would do these windows not all the time but occasionally whether it was just this inordinate inordinate amount of detritus and cigarette butts and ripped up magazines and furniture crashing down and chaos as opposed to what you would typically expect in a window. which is you know this pristine five so yeah to me? That's why I think. Creativity is looking for things that other people aren't doing looking at things in fresh ways taking things out of context. It's almost formulaic. If you're working in advertising display or you know try things that other people on doing and they'll automatically have some kind of impact your first book confessions of a window dresser it came out in nineteen ninety eight and Jim started your career as a writer and wrote columns for the New York Observer for ten years a columnist slate titled. Getting it right eight and you've written six more books a new book coming out in June. One of your books has been turned into a television show and BBC yet. You never thought or fantasized about being being a writer had it I come about you are such a good writer. I've been laughing out loud while reading your books over the last couple of weeks yeah. I was very unexpected. Greg did to me I put together. Oh my imagery for this Book Confessions of a Window Jessica and this wonderful Guy Nicholas callaway who owns Calorie Republishing Sex Book Yes Nicholas Callaway. He did Madonna's sex book and he said Oh you should write an introduction and I wrote got it and since the end and he said Oh my God you're hilarious and right more more more it became tax driven and then I sold the rights to Madonna and then I got my column from the Observer as you said and it was unexpected to me but it was very fun and learn like learning a new language or something like that so I enjoyed it and it made me actually very appreciative of my retail work like I love my job at Barney's. I appreciate it you get out of the the house she working collaboration with other people writings very solitary so we actually had a very generalizing positive effect on my life life you know my and writing and it's good you know because like beautiful people was originally called. Nasty and Simon and Schuster published it and they said this is going to be huge. It's going to be gray and I persuaded myself. It was going to be a big book and I thought this is it. This is when I become the next muriel spark or David sedaris or something I was GonNa you know I saw my name in lights and they published it and it was a complete flop like it was like a big dud in the New York Times gave it a horrible review and said I was for fishing superficial and because I read red call him about that and he was talking about how great is to be forfeited superficial. I interviewed people like Boy George Michael Musto but it was disappointing wincing and painful and there's a good experiences to go through. If you want to be a writer it's not all GonNa be plaudits and then one day I got a phone call and it was this Guy John Plowman and he had produced Ab FAB little Britain all these incredible iconic British TV shows and he said Oh i WanNa make Cativa show out of your book nasty but we want to change the title to beautiful people and that gave that book a whole other life. The reason that didn't do well was because of the cover Simon Yeah generals it. Did I mean the story is hysterical but the image is not beautiful and I think people got scared looking at it. I know what to me. I thought it was funny but I think it freaked people out the other threes and I think is because a lot of people take their lives and and put them out as misery memoir you know look at the sadness I ensured and the trauma and they laid all out and I was telling having these gruesome stories with panache and humor and people couldn't relate to they didn't know whether to be as bad or law for you know everybody has my exaggerated -aduated kind of punk rock sensibility so I'd written as like a survivor huma book whereas if I'd written it as alike finally here I'm setting the story of my background and you know the really dark moments and package shit that way. It might have been different but you know it's good to go through those things. You have to learn to be resilient. I think resilience persistence assistance that the only thing that matters really if you're persistent you can get stuff done so I've never really had like those you Malkin Gladwin years on the bestseller list or anything like that but I've always enjoyed writing just finished this book on footballers English. Soccer players tells the name what in England is cold Saturday night fever pitch which is a reference just to Nick Hornby classic book on Soccer Fever Pitch and in America. It's called soccer style the madness and magic and it's a celebration abrasion of the culture around Sokha Globally what happens when an twenty two year old guys making taking six hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week you know and he's buying Lamborghinis and having fun and being crazy and under the kind of pressure that sports person is and I'm fascinated fascinated by that. It's a very visual book lots of Tattoos haircuts cars so it's sort of something I've been working on for four five five years. It comes out in time for the World Cup James. Well Very Exciting Jeanne twelve we can everybody listening can pre-order it right now. Yes soccer style the madness and magic absolutely. I have a few more questions for you. You've been in this business for forty years now and it's a business. That's highly fickle very promiscuous and went about it. You said that the key to your success is that you've always approached everything with an immense sense of gratitude. I really love that. How do you maintain that. I am grateful to anybody who's ever paid me like I had this job before I moved moved to America working for this couple cold shelley and Tony and they had these fashion stores in shopping malls around the south of England and they were just dress dress shops high-street just shops and they were so sweet and I would go. I changed the windows and you know they pay me and it was decent money and I managed to save some of it for it came to American you know I'm just hugely grateful to anybody who's been willing to pay me. Even when I really didn't have a huge amounts who offer you know I found people were very benevolence and willing to to take me on even when I didn't have proven skills so someone like Tommy pose taking me on. That job didn't really know me. He just threw out that offer offer and I accepted it same gene pressman you know offering me that incredible. Jehovah Barney's you know I'm eternally grateful for that. Because I was quite feral. I didn't know very much. I wasn't bringing a lot to the table. They were taking a leap of faith so I've been hugely grateful to be taken seriously. They given a job Andy. Warhol said if I actually Andy Warhol didn't say but he quoted it constantly. success is a job in New York City exactly working in a juice bar or in starbucks or in a magazine or what have you doing. You've got a foothold somewhere somehow Simon. I'm so grateful that you came on the show today. I've been a fan of yours for over thirty years and it is just such an extraordinary experience to be able to have this conversation with you. Well thank you darling. I have one more thing to add lease. It's as if I haven't done enough self promotion about my football book soccer book sorry. I filmed this incredible. NBC TV show which is going to air beginning July thirty first on NBC and it's called making it and I am a judge along with Dana is some Johnson and the hosts are drum roll trim wrong amy poehler and Nick Offerman Offerman my God the host and it's a show about crofting. It's about puts on your phone. Make something gorgeous you know an incredible competition assertion show with an whole new format making it and they see you're. GonNa love it. Of course we are of course we are will you can find out everything that Simon Dune in is up to what he's written about what TV shows on by going to his website. Simon June dot com his book soccer style. The magic and madness is coming being from chronicle June twelfth and his brand new show making it his coming on NBC in July. Thank you for being unsigned matters today Simon. Oh my God Paul. Thank you for having me. I hope it wasn't too dismal. Oh it was divide tonight. This is the fourteenth year I've been doing design matters and I thank you for listening and remember we can talk about making a difference. We can make a difference or we can do both. I'm Jeff Melman and I look forward to talking with you again soon for for more information about design matters or to subscribe to our newsletter go to Debbie Millman Dot com. 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