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Apollo Protection Agency - Episode 99: Verces the Day
"Folks remember when there were space nazis. They're still there. But i mean we were just chasing. A rune drive in stepping up to a lowly sourdough of the atlantic empire. How did we go from a prison. Moon and the lab two bumbling around and the esoteric peculiarities of planes beyond our comprehension. What happened where did we go wrong. And of course. There's no one around to make sense of this madness. no which warmer or anything like that. The characters are only just now peaking behind the veil of the shadow play and thankfully we as players have some resources to understand what the shadow plane is. Speaking of i'd like to give a big shout out to zach on his exploration of the mini planes that compose the great beyond back in episode eighty. Nine as he mentioned the topic is a bit heavy and dense. So thank you zac. For distilling this cosmic truth for further exploration. So turn off your lights and turn up your anxiety as we delve into this tinderbox realm now i feel a quick recap of what the shadow plane is would be good launch pad so to start things off. The material plane resides within positive energy. The force behind creation and life whereas the shadow plane serves as a foil. This overlapping transit of plane is governed by negative energy these the forces of entropy and on death while this whole deal with positive and negative energy may be interpreted as conflicting forces. More accurate description would be that. They are two halves of a whole and much the same way that the principles of yennin yang defined an equilibrium even in such a place where decay is the primary influence. Life can still be found in the shadow plane. And that's what. I'm here to talk about today. The denizens of the shadow plane now aside from the flora and fauna sentient species. Also reside here carving out settlements or even proper civilizations. Some of these are native to the plane while others are entertainer exiled or immigrants among the native inhabitants. Someone visiting the shadow planes is bound to run across the xerox and then select race. Reminiscent of galeria termites. They're seven feet tall. Bipedal and decorated over with glowing runes their cities resemble hives that rise from subterranean levels stretch towards the twilight skies also eliminated and serving as an erie beacon in this otherwise monochromatic landscape. Despite the gloom these people utilized light and their culture from the runes covering their bodies their star ships as well as the variety of goods they craft and sell another native of show planes the way on our old race of small humanoids that once thrived across a plane. According to ancient historical records at some point this collection of people undertook a mass exodus to the material plane recently however it was revealed that several tribes had returned to the shadow plane and established residency on a remote planet in the vast of shadow. Space called. you tana. These people still follow long held spiritual beliefs that they expressed through ritual scarf vacation and skin bleaching which serves as a hard contrast to their love of bright clothing jewelry. To this day people can still find yong's in both material and shadow planes like traveling the stars and elaborate estival ships crafted to house and amuse guests on long-term voyages moving onto outsiders who now call the shadow plane home. The shays composed of living shadow. Who claimed to have once been humanoids that have since transcended physical form from this evolution emerged sense of superiority over beings that have not similarly ascended. Despite this shays will still interact with other humanoids but require wearing masks and form-fitting close to ease any humanoids efforts in discerning shea. These interactions have resulted in some humanoids becoming followers of shea intrigued by their other worldly mystique and eager to learn the secrets of shadow. Transformation reports indicate that shea once had a primary citadel within the shadow plane yet like glaring itself it too had disappeared during the gap most now have established residency in the shadow star system. They call chef from where they travel. Shadows based on elegant star ships pursuing new measures and novelties. Another one of the shadow planes more outlandish. Outsiders are the x kelly. Add species mystery to everyone. These surreal absurdities arrived during the gap and no prior records exist and scalia lacking any standard for him is an assemblage of is bound together by gelatinous goo that can reform its frame to fit the task. Their mysterious appearances often seem to relate to exploration or confrontation some of which result in violence unable to communicate with these outsiders their goals and y they appear when and where they do eludes everyone and folks while i find much joy and discovering these new places and people unfortunately. That's all the time i have for today. I could go on about kyle's and others have this plane. But these creatures stood out. And i felt inspired to explore their place here where they bring life to the shadow. Odd though it may be but for now let's move onward our pursuit of k. unreas- episode nine for seize the day her all right all right another this dark bullshit. Who are we southern tomfoolery. And he how excited are you to finally go to a packed world planet pretty pumped waiting to do this. You've talked about this from the year. Probably my favorite book is the pact worlds because like literally every time. I read it even if i eat a couple of pages i get an idea for like a one shot or an adventure or something like that just from little bite i could read one little snippet and be like that such good fodder for finder material that the company is not fucking using. You know like let's go all these planets. I wanna adventure. Paths that entirely. Take place on one planning. I want these planet so back in the spaceship doesn't because you can do whatever you want other adventures but like give the option to be back gave right now. we're here. i know. I know that you've studied versus and and i know josh. You have a little bit too since your characters from versus house. That was that like to have to not only. Are we going to one of the main packed worlds. But it's your home planet. While when i was making the character i didn't realize we'd be going there of course so that's interesting. Yeah yeah you weren't. That's neither here nor there. When i'm sure here we are. What is that like for you and for fell to some dummy. You don't gotta get an all the the feelings of fell but your character is now returning home. W- it's cool and also a little bit daunting because you know it's it's a planet it's an entire planet in it. There's a lot. And i don't wanna get stuff wrong to be. Eighty percent of the planet is uninhabited rate. Nations running around the equator. So yes a whole equator. You got a whole equator planet. Ringing nations a pretty cool thing right yeah. It's i mean you only have so much space to live on on versi. So of course it gets built up into this like night city type. Cyberpunk ish I don't know. I don't wanna call it a dystopia because it's not really a bad place but there are a lot of cyberpunk is right. The great things that happen there a lot of corporate espionage and stuff. You know it's a high tech suit. Yeah is a lot of great things that have been spawned from there to like versus the dave founded the stewards and the stewards came like they were the governing peacekeeping body of viruses before they became the pact world's police Also we said that the ring a nation is around the equator but there day and night cycle doesn't work. How medal is this. In the in the book they refer to it as a terminator. Not a fucking. Jeez wow and because of that. It's essentially like i said before night city from cyberpunk or los angeles and bladerunner but always dusk which i know. You've gotta be excited. Because cyberpunk i've been i've been telling you since we started. Just wait. Just wait till signal games. What a year and a half now. Yeah like you're gonna love longer than that since before we started recording this So here we are. We're in cyberpunk planet. You know like this is. This is all the cyberpunk in this planet. So i'm looking forward to getting into book to of signals screams proper now as far as the the president action. And you know last episode. We ended with your arrival. And let's dig into that a little bit more as you make your way into verses atmosphere itself you kind of get closer to you know where couva car is and you see that beneath an early evening. Sky stained with crimson and gold. A cry island rises a thousand feet above blue grey waters white dome-shaped structure occupies most of the island's surface concrete landing pads jut out from the islands cliffs eliminated by blinking blue and green lights other ships coast toward the spaceport and slow spirals and this is not skydeck by the way sky. Doc is a little outside of cooper car has kind of got some distance because it's so big or whatever so this is just couva karas spaceport that you see here. You also see a sprawling city of skyscrapers laced with a grid of roadways and elevated transport tubes containing trains litters across the river to the south visible even from this height hollow billboards advertising a range of products. And common verse. Site flicker in the dusky light. So this is kind of what you see as you land on this. The space for fell. How are you feeling like this. The first time you've been back on versus seven years nervous excited anxious. I maj anything out to your crew like. There's you know there's simply of nations you can see it from here. That's not really fell style not really felt style. And he's still a little bit not gonna say shaken but shook from the previous experience and is is looking for looking to looking forward to sending the appetizer down and getting some time to hopefully get some time to work owner for a little bit and just had his meditation innocent. Well i mean you would know that really like okay then. He's wishing that he could be doing that. He's wishing he could go there. And like i mean so. You're landing in the space for which you would know would how's your starship what i mean and you can always go. I mean you basically just rent a doc you know So anytime during your down time here you'll be able to go and work on it but they also offer to any any services that you would typically want you know they have pretty solid mechanics here. Not robots right. Yeah i mean but it's also but also a lot of augmented vert donny. Yeah you know when you when you land on the platform. Your ship is actually lifted by machine arms and moved into a large hangar built into the side of the space for like an empty hangar and tube of silver medal connects to your air. Lock to allow you to disembark into the space for it self fell takes a deep breath. Guys I guess i'm back home. Congratulations yeah it's it's it's been years Hoof let's go let's Let's go ahead and do we gotta do i. Just i don't want my nerves to get to me. You sure you don't want to bring up the folks go. Say hey he maybe if we find a minute but not. I'm not a meal like shit. Men and fell is very very aware of not being able to changes. Skin the scarring patterns everything and just looks at oran and almost tears up a little bit. Blinks them away in joke man. Nice and i'm just kidding buddy. Listen yeah yeah. Relax so deal disembarked and into the yeah. I was gonna say Orange get new armor. That's not like external armor before he disembarked to versus. Actually one of the central hubs of worship of abra. It's yeah it's one of the main places that you break temples and things are so that are fairly common so orrin. We'll done a a a fresh clean set of black. A break rotates silver star chart patterns on them. And you know he changes and puts that on and He grabs evelyn the rifle and normally when he you know he he kind of like contemplates all of that history as he you know. I grabs his rifle but he just feels nothing and just throws it in his back holster. Like it's just another tool in the toolkit and just kind of like hollow empty sort of feeling that he feels for a brief second and yeah disembark says well. Yeah i mean as y'all step off the tracer you just step into this central area that's bustling with activity There's a couple people at the other side of the to the the airlock that goes into the sport. And they're like welcome diversities. We're glad that you're here We'll take good care of your your starship. Things will be great if you need any information. There's a little info screen over there. You can find some great places to stay. I'd be happy to give you some recommendation if you want to. But i don't want to push too hard. What i do need you to do though is to step over here and just let our security bots give you a quick skin so where we make sure that everything's alright not we don't want to have any rep toys running around like got so please if you will just just take a take a step over here through the the metal detector what we like to call it so joko olden times you know it detects more than metal. That's the joke right. Yeah well he's also made a metal though right lake right right again here all right now what what neighborhood you grow up in. Jesus bronx budget. That's the neighborhood. The neighborhood festivals could do well. He's kind of crazy. You know like you years kind of caught up with him. How do you know fizeau phrases like the chris of this planet spa so oh yeah all right. All right well listen. I'm sorry i'm talking your ear off you coming home. What's what's going on. Well you being option none of my business. I'm sorry it's fine. It's fine Came from app slump. Station been out there working for dania decade said. It's good to be back Well okay welcome back. What's the what's your name there. fell marana bevan. It's real nice to meet you then. Just bevan bevan. Bevan never considered doing the double named thing. But now i do like the ring of it. Maybe simply nations. And i'll get my name officially changed to bevan bevan. Ask me like that. They have you know for first and last names from hell does. he's rosier. Maybe his parents are just weird k. Reese does and he's from there. S two people. And i'll listen. I'll have to names in a week. All right don't worry about it. That's a good idea. i like it. I'm going to just call me. Pepe no limit to how high numbers can go. Yuki as many names as you want. God bevan devon. I could have like fifteen bevan's committee through the robot that does the job so they scan you know and nothing armus saguenay gun gun sword me so consider that. This is a time where weaponry is kind of everywhere. I mean like it's it's so it's not really strange that you guys are fully armored or anything like that. I mean if you started opening fire in public space you know people are gonna but like soldiers and mercenaries and and training teams cycle through here all the time like this is just like central station. You know what i mean. And so they're really not sweating any of that they're probably just looking for drugs. Maybe any illegal items like they aren't all over this. Come coming in. it'd be like vegetables. I've read what i've read it versus. They're more worried about like terrorism than anything else. I mean. whatever they're looking for you guys are good. It checks out listen fell. I'd love to have drinks with you. May fizeau and we can. We can remember all times when we used to play in the fire hydrant. When we were kids on the streets. Heavy goodfellas bob. Ever get a get fell. Fezzan bev back together. We didn't. I don't know you yeah. We could say that maybe time we might have seen other. Yeah i mean. I like pizza pizza right. I like video games. You like video games. Yeah you got shit. I'm sure we were pizza. Play a couple of times at the same time you know. Weight yeah chucky cheese you know. Hold on hold on the original pizza. Play the original that bullshit. They moved note the original pizza play. That's the one with the torn up carpet in the corner yet. Yeah yeah that's the one. Oh my god you went to the original pizza. Play hold on going through the the high scores on the arcade. So were you bbb. How did i not get this idea. Then it took me this long. But yes i was bbb. Will you feel we were neck and neck. We would go back and forth. You were the person. I was trying to beat shit. Well you don't want bringing gimme a hug. It's it's been a hell of a trip and you know competitive that i didn't even know that i knew what are the odds. Like hundreds of people come through here. I'm on gates d today. Who who would have ever known that. You d- i fucking love this this city. It's crazy you just a small town in a big planning. You know what i'm saying anyway. It's a pleasure to meet you for real. Fell your incredible gamer. And i'll call up back and we'll see what happens. All right sounds dates. I really appreciate the warm. Welcome home i. of course. that's my job. You know I you know i can. I can hear your home as as they like separate might like you balked up their own tree right. It doesn't say anything tentacles bevan just looks at you and says what you don't all right. Well we'll see and Move along all right buck up so as you kind of move through the space for you. See these big hollow. Billboards this holographic billboards and advertising in common in verse site Various products available for purchase. But one kinda sticks out to you guys as you're walking through because it's emblazoned with the image of a black sphere radiating golden light which you know is the pin number app logo and so you see this giant like you know if you see in the picture. I have on the map right. You see how the hollow billboards kind of rap a whole building. Yeah so like think of that but on the inside of this spaceport the whole inside of the dome is just holographic ads in this social media app ad pops up and it covers the entire zone. He's been fire. So you know if you want to keep your ship here for more than a day. It costs ten credits per day to rent a hanger So because couva gar couva. Kara is so densely populated. That's why the space port is kind of on an island up way up above on the outside of it to protect all the citizens and so really. There's just like a rail system that connects the space for into the city proper. You know there's things that will want to consider right like you're going to be here for a little while so you'll probably want to get some range it's because it just wouldn't make sense to take the train all the way back to the spaceport. Every time he goes one arrest so ask you is. How nice do you want your lodgings to be while you asking the crew were you asking ziva yeah. That's the master players to have that conversation as first of all. How much money do we have in the band fund You know what i mean. 'cause like i wouldn't mind doing some shopping. There's do have some personal credits but you can also get up to any item. That's l. up to level eleven nicely. I wish i had all the money but you know we can. We can handle shopping off air and come back to it. You know but there's definitely opportunities for shopping here. As i said you're going to want to get some quarters here Then you wanna do adam. No you know what i meant. I had to make the joke. I appreciate it so i mean zebras. Not stay in cheat mattel. I've been done right. Like i asked that knowing what the answer is going to be we. We shouldn't force. Does things for touching shouldn't get something so ostentatious s to draw notice right. Well yes i mean. Of course you know you want but like three and a half four. It's it's a huge. It's a huge city. We are minor galactic celebrities at this point. Yeah true true housing celebrity when we started so. So here's the deal. There's there's three options. There's the slimmer warehouse. I know you're not going there. That's like basically a warehouse for sleeping story what it is just case. It's a it's a drab building that has like hundreds of sleep pods that bran flake. You just go down a hallway in a room with asleep. Pod actually stayed at one of those. When i went to the hotel the capsule hotel. It was miserable. Yeah that's how he wants to work at. It would have been if if you want to upgrade at the slumber warehouse. You can get one of the small number of efficiency apartments that are available and customers that it'll be three credits tonight night for that or one credit per night for the pods. We're not doing samba warehouse. I just think it's fun to get a then. There's the mid level hotel. The dusky arms in this is located in the city's south facet offer sweets each contain one to two beds as well as a kitchen and a bathroom. So this is like your embassy. Suites kind of situation. Laundry and dining facilities are located on each floor. A free continental breakfast is available each morning on the ground level of the hotel alongside a bar that serves steeply price. Drake's so the hilton. Yeah yeah. they're disappointed that it's not like an interstellar breakfast or something. Instead of continental we'll see god damage ring breakfast that would be five credits per night for the sky. Jade this is a luxury hotel in the city's northwest. Facet fuck it. Let's do it. Accommodates high rollers in spacious suites. That include up to four bits a full kitchen bathroom laundry and made service drinks from the rooftop hotel bar complimentary free drink as much as you want you save all that money from the bar yet like ten credits per night worth for all of us are person. You can buy a whole suite. There's five of you that can we get like one of the poll in bids for fifth. Yeah we'll say that. The the the rent a cot you ask but like they'll roll in like a day bed trend to ask if there's if there's a refrigerator in there got a refrigerator again cardboard soon as we land kuyper like orders or refrigerator takes the fridge out and sleeps in the box. Grossed wasted funds. Nice totally worth good. So what am i mean. What you know joined skype j. All right Zeba wouldn't even like they wouldn't even be an option like she being hardcore captain and also we didn't get to enjoy our actual fucking vacation so you need a little arner army even mike who probably slept and some horrible places as to the point now where he's like fuck dad like sleep in a nice digs all right well so when you get to Skagit no before you get to that like when you coming off spaceport kinda dumps you out on foot you know you take this train to like a subway station and then you're just out on the streets now you can hail a cab. There is right here at the end of this smartly so a couple of car vehicle rental agency so you can rent your own vehicle if he wanted to drive around here means a big city. Let's get our own like a fucking nissan armada I mean you can do. You would do that instead of yeah i mean. I'm sure that can drive a car. Now let me drive you polly constantly. I never get to drown. i don't trust you. Mike to my own nissan armada motorcycle and just ride speed side right. He's hardly hardly around the city. I mean you could all get motorbikes if you want to know i aren't. They intersect for about that. I mean it's up to you. I mean we're we're in everybody's putting i dunno on draft pretty solid on the piloting. Now we're going. we're going to go for the armato. Yeah i sound like a big like black you are. You're getting a motorcycle. Michael rock paper scissors fergus. To try. no you win. you'll be read by mind and know what i'm gonna do seriousness. I think the idea of having his own separate like like being able to ride around by himself very appealing to might like if he's like planet side and also awkward situation where he's been grumpy it members of the party. You know it's a good way to blow off some steam to write like midlife crisis. Mike has been doing midlife crisis ship for ten years. But i do like the idea of. He gets his own motorcycle. And i'll go where the party goes. But like i won't ride a hog and feel the wind in my scales mid life crisis over here so for the motorcycle. That's going to be five credits today. To read that and for the sec is going to be also five credits. You're getting out on the motorcycle for sure but yeah okay. I mean money. I got like almost six granting credits. Because i gamble all the time well and also like think about the the. The motorcycle cost as much as suv. Because the extra insurance risk sheer shirt. So yeah i mean able to procure this stuff and you arrive at the sky. Jade and it's how do we get there though. Adam is like. I'm seeing on the map. There's this crazy network of spaghetti noodles so those that's like that's like a tram system the trend. Yeah that's like the else. Okay but then the rest of the city is in a straight up block grid. He knows so. You just drive beneath yeah How's the traffic. So the thing is is that where spits you out Let's see here. Let's go to the guest here. Took it to the so where it spits you out is like right in between the northeast facet in the gloaming And the gloaming is is like a luxury housing development And so like you see all these really nice townhouses and penthouse buildings and like some kind of standalone mentioned buildings. But they're all heavily gated with significant cyber technology. And all that kind of stuff you know. It's the thing about this is that it has its own park. Its own beach and unlike the elevator communities of the northwest facet. The gloaming is open to paying visitors. So these rich s motherfuckers charge people to come look at their lifestyle. God you know there's several upscale hotels and beat in and there's a beach resort there that cater to the nonresidents But again it's so overpriced the all inclusive type stuff. It's probably like a little bit. You know two heats point. It's a little bit more spotlight than you want. You know it's easier to blend. In kind of the ritz carlton over on the other side. We're just average reach you just average rich people not lifestyles of the authority in famous. So let's see both fell in ziva. You can roll. Some culture checks here to john. I was about hoping that's an ad. Twenty twenty five. No i'm giving him a plus five for being there. So that thirty two or thirty fell. You would know living here and you probably can give a little inside gossip here that on paper. The gloaming is owned by a few different corporations. But there's been a rumor that's going around couva car for a while. Now that a single individual owns the entire development and that there's rumors of rep toyed sightings here as well At the resorts and casinos here which might speak to y bevan was making the joke you know but knowing what you know from new release you. The rep toyed. I mean there might be something to this conspiracy. He knows that's a whole nother adventure path. I think early design conspiracy have just like my name. Bevan bevan bevan look. I've spent a lotta time cultivating this plotline. But yeah i mean so. That's the gloaming in the northeast. Fast is is basically. The island is considered the northeast facet right so the lake in the spaceport and everything. So that's where you come out. That's where you get your cars and so to answer your question in the most long winded lee way possible. The traffic is light here because it's a bunch of rich people who don't need to drive anywhere you know they door dash everything right so i guess you guys are just going to drive directly there. Are you going to have everyone do here. Now we're just gonna get to the spot so we can kind of like regroup share says situation so you pass through you. Come out of the gloaming pass into the north facet of couva. Kara and this district is more like a patchwork of homes commercial buildings and government facilities house within a network of skyscrapers connected by transparent. Sky walks in bullet train tubes. The highly coveted riverfront property in this area is the playground with the wealthy. So it looks like the north here is where all the rich s motherfuckers live right. The north not the gloaming. I'm no the north of the city in. Yeah going but also. North facet is is like less the beach rich in more though like posh it's also it's also like the more lush section right har there's actual green there it's not born on the desert right yeah So this is actually couva cars oldest facet so this is like the historic area of. Yeah this is like the start of couva car and it branched out from there which makes sense 'cause like started right on the river in just kind of brash. Their way out into the desert in so rules. Roll another culture. Check here remember. Yours is with a plus five here. Josh nineteen is not a good role says twenty four total. And then i was nineteen. Total was like nine on the day. What about she john. All thirty two. Who that's pretty good. That's cute are old forty. Oh eighteen on the dot right. Well i mean both of you would know this. We'll say that the captain relays this information. Well are you in a speaking mood. 'cause maybe kuyper would jump in here to try to provide some. I'll set it up. Outset so kuyper is looking at data pad. And he's actually looking. He's got the pact roles. Travel guide pulled up and he's just about to talk about what we're what we're bringing where we're coming up to before hospitalvideo agent coming into play a motorcycle from. Yes so you know that here. There's like local legend that there might be catacombs that exists beneath the facets current structures And in fact Emily's ziva would know just because of her involvement in the like industry of resorts in hospitality tourism and stuff like that that they actually do like tours under like the shallows underneath they don't ever go deep but there is indeed some relics of like millennia old vermont civilization under the surface of modern day. North facet couva kara. And so yeah you you know you can take tours of the safe. Sections of these historical ruins kuyper. You would probably know more than captain because of the type of research you're doing in in who you are that there are stories of explorers and like archaeologists have. It's all legend. You don't know of anything confirmed but like some people may have come there to try to like excavate some of this stuff and find some of the ancient secrets lost treasures that may lie beneath this present day city Kuyper is actually doing this. Like with this voice modulator. Turn but you also know that. There's a pretty heavy interference from local police to keep people from going to get themselves killed and that it's likely just really dangerous. Unstable under planet cross caverns. You know that they could collapse at any point you know and it's really dangerous to go down there and it's likely empty anyway you know. But there's this legend that's kind of build up you know. Come see the for ninety ruins and it's like a little couple square a couple of little rooms that they've you know i'm sure that the foundations good nobody can get hurt and like keeping jan but yeah so you get to the north facet and you keep driving. You finally get to the northwest facet and this. This is where piper you. You've been here before because this is where your contact lived in the northwest facet so the northwest is is weird because it simultaneously contain some of the best and the worst of the city's residential facilities many of the city's elite make their homes here and secure gated communities accessible only via high security elevators. So they literally live on these platforms. That are above the slums of this facet. In like you have to go through all the security checkpoints to ride this elevator to up into these really nice and beautiful communities the below the sky mansions the the shade thrives like and that's the this government subsidized housing That dominates the ground levels of the northwest facet. In fact right as you're approaching the northwest facet a ramp that you can take like an exit that you can take. That actually goes up to the top layer here too. Which is where the hotel is. And there's like a toll booth there and security checkpoints on that on ramp to get up there and this is like the exit. You don't really wanna miss the hills versus the valley. Right i to that point you know that. The area is divided into gang controlled territories and it's rarely patrol by the city's police. So yeah i mean it's it's this weird dichotomy of of wealth and josh fell would know that k on reese grew up in the shade as was her because congress done all the research but fell. You would know that from talks that you've had with him kind of some more of your personal talks that he came from the shade in like studied really hard and went to college in managed to pull himself out of the shade. But that's the northwest facet and you arrive. And you pass all these beautiful very modern futuristic mansions that are up on these platforms and a little past those. There's a huge platform that has this grand circular domed hotel and the you've reached skied. Jade in the dome is this like reflective green dome. That looks like it's made of actual gemstone and your approach the doors and there's a valet there When you pull up and so heath your drive in the motorcycle you probably pull up. I in suv right behind it with aren driving. You can't sell park if you want or you can ballet whether you want to do here. I'm going to sell park. i'm not. I'm not paying this asshole. Just depart this vehicle. It's really not a big deal. We can walk or drive you off right year. Now drive on horns. Talking to the people aren't come on we receive a nice place that's part of it. Just just hit the guy creditor did was not that big a deal fell i it just against my principles man. I don't know it still you here. We didn't have a fucking vacation like we were supposed to get have a little bit of luxury man. Let yourself enjoy something fell. We're still on vacation. Felt gets out at the door Ziva would say Or let sexually self park preferred that we keep jobs out of the moving car who wants to have instant or access quickly to their vehicle and not wait for valet. That was exactly. My thought is that you can walk. I'm a. I'm a grab my shit. Go check azan sal just hop on the back here. All right see self parking and then you go into this hotel in the in. The lobby is just breathtaking. And it's not like it's all modern and futuristic. You know it it's very sleek edges. There's not a hard angle anywhere. Everything is curved around and you see at the check in desk that there's of urthani stressed in like a white coat. That kind of it almost looks like a chef jacket. But it's much more ornate than that You know he's got this lose four buttons that kinda cross over the whole chest and button down the side got this jade trim and they welcome you to the desk. And they say i. I assume the captain's probably handle in this transaction. Very much says welcome to the sky. Jade how can we help. You enjoy your stay. Yes hello Would like to book a room suite all right. Well how many of you will be staying. We have The five for us said. Oh my god. All i can think of is heath my mic. Is there now. Sales are all kinds of as mike walks up in full fucking heavy armor off his motorcycle. The receptionists kind of looking over your shoulder at the party behind you. You know you see are kind of talking eyebrow. But she doesn't say anything she says. All right well five. There will be an extra charge for the x to bed as the sweets only have four beds. I assume that everybody is having their own bed. That is an assumption that you could make but yes certainly. That's go ahead and get the extra bed just in case the cash a cardboard box. She wink it. The person behind the desk just to kinda give like she saw them looking at the group. Like i wonder what the hell all this is about. Says this is trying to fuck with her a little bit and she types a few things into says all right. yes we have We have a sweet available. Oh lucky for you. It's riverside so you have a beautiful view of the of the river. Are the rudo and river. Are you familiar with this. Beautiful water feature is eva. Feel i would think so yeah. Culture checks earlier. Yeah right so we saw it coming in and a you know enough is very lovely and she kind of squares everything up with you and says okay great and she pushes like button on the desk and a little door slides open behind her and a bellhop little skit. Mander bellhop comes out says. Hey hey guys. I would like to ask you to your room. Please put all luggage on this here. Dali please thank you do a sweet heat adam. My that's you're known voice anyways. Kemal ataturk no pressure. Most david shanley of like literally this before. Can't sir yes We could we please go. This is my first day on the job. And i just want to be good at it. And it's good buddy you doing great. What's your name one name is charles. Skinner manders obviously doing wonderfully bell puts luggage on the cart and looks for the rest of the group to the same celente my luggage. What'd you say out. Hold onto my luggage man. It's it's fine. This is what my job is to watching me. Charles listen to me. Don't force the issue. Okay charles his luggage will not be missed. Because here's mine. Ziva load like twice as many things as a normal. What a treasure for my first day issue amazing. And he's just like using his arms loaded on stacking it all up like you know he's got this big dolly furniture dollar tree and it's like okay. Is this your first time at this guy changed. What is the name of this hotel like ten minutes service. Well i'm studying at the school and this is my internship school. Yeah there's a hospitality school here. i'm i'm i'm i'm gonna walk next charles and like i'm not giving them any luggage because i just carry everything on me but i'm gonna have. I'm so much taller to him. I'm gonna have one arm on the top of the like carte thing like you know how hotel thing baggage things tall lincoln gold rails or whatever so like i'm standing next to him but my arms over and and i'm like assisting with the weight of it so he's not working himself. I mean it's got to be a hover cart right. Yes it's a hover car but you can still. I'm still looking out for you. Still balancing means you're that evolves all right like he's like for the like last little pieces is even sluggish. He's having to jump up to like put him up. Guy may list of the skin. Mander i say this out. Oh god their robot is all right so he takes you to your room. You're sweet and it's like you go up this elevator. That's like a glass elevator and it opens up to your sweet. You know. there's not another like this floor is your sweet so opens up to a hallway a small hallway that until like a big route like living rooms with a kitchen kind of attached and then off the sides are for doors that each go into other rooms And you know he he helps you get all your your luggage. And he says if you need anything just give me a shot. Give me a call on On the phone and he holds out six arms with his palms of well. I would imagine have little beepers you know. Because everything's digital so like i click fob under his little beeper and transfers cool so how much the given i mean thousand children. At least all of my gambling never had to work out. Just remember that you just have to call. Charles and charles will be here and i. I want to do good. I need to get an a. on my project And wondering if maybe i could interview you after your stay for review on. Check us for my my thesis charles. I'd be more than happy to Is there any Any type of survey or any any feedback. We can give you a you know. Give to the management to let them know how awesome of a job you just did. Yeah of course right there on the just called just Pull up pull up the the the sky. Jade i the infamous fear. And there's a little customer stummer comm comments section that like you can tell. He's like trying to remember the script that he's supposed to say all right. Look at it you know. Sales already pointed up giving him like five stars a plus plus plus you see like this little pager on his hip like buzz up with a green light and he's like. Oh yes that's a review your thank you so much. Thank you so much. It gives you five credits. Back fell tips and ten points. This is how it's supposed to work beautiful off. Don't see you for it's fine. it's fine fine. i love that. That's a skinner mander issue because of the house subjugation. A hat now. Because of how unrealistically helpful they are. Yeah and because the vast like no get better than just about wooden really because he didn't grow up as like in the being like shut. Fuck your money man. Mike packed wilder All right well. So that's you know you've set up your your lodgings Will handle some shopping off air and come back to it in between episodes right. And you're here. You're here in verses you here at couva. Kara as orrin to you're not on vacation you're here with a very pressing mission to find kay on race and your your lead is a clip innovations and you know that kuyper knows where that is because of the story he told you and fell knows where it is right fell neighor. He never would've gone to headquarters. Yeah i don't think fell would know like address of the headquarters. Kuyper would be more up to speed on. That fell worked at the sky. Doc which is separate from couva car. Assure in part in it was owned by cliff's innovations like they bought it and so he never would have had to go to headquarters in. Oh okay it's like working for walmart right. You're not going to you know you don't know where he asked you conglomerate. Yeah yes. I mean we get to the unit. Where all the rooms are we go. I don't even give a shit. What room just the nearest one and like. Sling my rucksack. They're all the center. Yeah they come back out. Wait a minute for everybody to pick their rooms and shit. And i'm like all right apa time fellows and lady. I'm sorry i'm tied. Was the plan here. Anyone we gotta find on race. Yeah right but we need a plan to do that. Fuck i don't know i never been. We marched down to eclipse innovations headquarters. Do we just walk in as well. It's a strat slight opposite of ocean's eleven right walk in take the money all right. The movie credits. I mean that's the thing we don't wanna bring a lot of attention to the fact that we're here right at least not initially so maybe we send a copy here and maybe is even the people that can schmooze a bit. And maybe they'll get they go checkout 'cause if i walk in In all alabama draw is and probably not do as good as we could do right. I think a more subtle approach would be our best first option You are familiar with this place. Easter any way that we could schedule a time to visit Under the pretense of being there for business purposes. I don't see why not i. We can just pull up the info sphere find out number. Put each them. Yes later schedule. Can i ask you a question. you just did. Thank you quite clever. How how bullshit was your story about being us talented manager from versus like do you actually have connections can you. I mean could you just set up like a a fake meaningful. A business deal or something like that. So unfortunately i'm afraid it was all just front complete fraud gun often times. It is what it is. What do i could check my my contacts. Bonker unless i checked it was ransacked. You could just call him. You know like you said just as a start right right. Yeah what about with this. This may seem like something from the holidays. Or whatever but gopher about a good old fashioned stakeout we just go and sit and watch. Cv comes and goes see if he's if like maybe maybe we see them walk in. We find out his schedule figure out where he goes. I i don't know. I'm not some investigator anything but you wanna know something about somebody you just why wait will conveniently. We haven't investigator here with this. Didn't you say you've been to close before yes. I have been to eclipse before now. What we could deal is we only need. We can split into two parties year. one can stake. The other can go try to schedule a meeting. Keep an eye out. Keep calms open. You'll see what i'm saying. So i'm not an eva pie now mike the armata with us man you real great sound system can really rock out in this business. I'm like so non into the. I'll just go gamble. I'll find a way to fuck that up by mike. Come on man. The armada. So i have a question about the number app Is it like it's widely used now or is it like it's been coming it's up and coming people have downloaded like the beta basically. Okay so as we're kind of talking Zeba would kind of sort of look through guest the info sphere app store And just kind of look at the number situation and she would say eclipse innovations in charge of the spin umbra. Yes we use a little bit the forest and a little bit of not Maybe they are looking for investors or a somehow we can get a bit more information about this application under the guise of being interested in becoming stakeholders said a fake business deal that would certainly get us passive front door. It's a good idea to go ahead and give them a call and try and schedule something and with that he just pulls up a soul data pad contact information right start bringing them up and rings rings rings it rings and rings and finally a recorded message comes says. Thank you for calling eclipse innovations. We apologize as we are taking some time to restructure our headquarters. Please leave a message for your party of interest. If you know they're extension you can dial it. Now thank you and have a great day because of course they are yet hang up. Can you hack them in you way into figuring out the the extinction on Yeah maybe kimmy minute take. It's gonna be a thirty one. You see no trace anywhere on infamous info sphere for an extension kaelin. Raise the exists. He's like beer. It went the way of gird ngo. It's like he. doesn't even exist Which considering what he's involved in. I guess makes sense but they got another man. I can't beat a third one. Either literally i if i had a twenty so no i mean like that's a success looking like it's not there certain that it's not there okay. Gotcha let's gaon. Scrubbed his info from the infamous fear. Yeah so we can't surely somewhere. Yeah i mean. Hopefully 'cause he looks like right now we can't is on him and we can't get is on him well. What headquarters is we could still a stakeout or at least go and see if the building is even still occupied if the building construction right now we could sneak-in i mean probably not about idea actually under construction and probably just lie brainstorm about how to deal with you. Know the fucking shit show. We just came from well only one way to find out my good old fashioned stakeout. Go sit in a van for ten hours. Great whatever we'd see we have though. Yeah yeah. I'm fine with heath like i might hates it because it's just sitting around to him you can tell you. What might you really should come with us. Man blake just my heated seats in the armata. Man you're gonna love it so unappealing to my tired. Newly drive might. I'll let you drive the armato. But i'll fucking drive out keeping a airbud in at least run me jewels. Not say all right. Well the thing is so then you guys are going to go. Stakeout eclipse innovations headquarters. Are you going to do that after like sleeping. You're going to go do it tonight. What's the deal. Well tied does not matter. How are we on rest because we had just had a trip had fitful night of not sleep pocket dimension shadow eighteen hours so we oh okay go ahead and bump us back up. Because i'm like you guys are are fully arrested for sure and time does matter or in zach because like because you don't know when they're going to pull the trigger on this phone number thing in already a bunch of people already have the beta you know for sure if they pull the trigger on. It's over guba. Car is corrupted would enhance. Let's go right now. All right everybody piles up in the suv. You're heading to in terms of shopping. Well you could have done that this day right and you can go right all right cool all right so everybody piles in the tv valdis to eclipse innovations. And i will say that's where we're going to end from tonight and do the we'll see but i want to actually do a doodling. Do i literally do only do it. Didn't midland about six months ago. A small scout drum cloaked in shadow float through space as it approaches an asteroid in the distance gets closer to the rock. It sees what looks like a small nondescript adorned with all manner of communication raise draped in an inky lack of light. The mundane building fails to give any clear indication of its purpose so the scout drawn presses closer as the drone circles the lab it notes that the tallest communications dish has evidence of being overcharged as the feed horn in the center of the dish shows. Electric burn markings the drone continues to press closer to the building in the front door of the facility. The doors very simply labeled with etchings that say drift travel research facility as our view moves through the entrance door. It takes a moment for the drones cameras to adjust to the even darker interior of this lab. Once the lighting correction finishes an eerie sight groups the drown a collection of lifeless androids all seemingly frozen in mid activity the reception desk features a feminine android motionless covered in dust fingers still on her keyboard deeper in the lab. The scout bought sees the main research center and more androids eerily still almost as if they are staged like mannequins. It looks as if something just froze these researchers in place in an instant forever preserving them in their studies the computers and machinery that they were working with are equally still in quiet except in the back corner cubicle the drone to tex a whisper of a beep beep the scout by floats towards the sound but as it gets closer a brilliant purple light pierces the dark shadows however it seems as soon as the purple light is exposed to the air of this lab it takes on a sickened blacker hugh the sudden burst of light washes out the drones visual feed for a few moments as the light dies the drone refocuses on the cubicle and can see what looks to be some sort of small drift beacon prototype quietly humming with dulled violet light panel slowly opens on this device emits a cloud of black men abuts the drone hovers almost nervously as it watches the botts coalesce and form into a small cloud then they moved toward the nearest lifeless android disappear into the mouth of the once researcher the drones links back into the shadows almost as if afraid of this sudden activity and the otherwise dead research facility moments later the eyes of the android begin to glow with life in a red light and with some quiet creeks he stands and looks around the drone can hear the now intimate body muttering to himself distressed the scout bought can only make out a few words how bad the android seems to be almost panicking now full of disorientation my friends and then his eyes land on the little drone quicker than lightening the android reaches out and grasps the small german and looks directly into the camera lens and speaks whoever has watching where am i i i need help. My name is the android pauses for a moment seemingly uncertain as if reconsidering this communication and then with their red eyes looks back at the camera. My name is enough in these six. And then the android crushes drone and we'll see for episode one hundred and ask much. We'll see look little.
MORNING REFLECTION April 1, 2020 Stew Sheckler
"Hey Good morning. Everybody hope you're doing well just a quick update on a few things. Yesterday we sent out an email about how you can help with some of the international families that we work with. There's anything that you can do to help them. Out Right now Please let us know If you need to go back and check that email please do so. We also sent out a communication about how you can find help or volunteered to give a hand to someone through all of this week introduced you to a new tool Kevin Bevan and I have been working on called neighbor link. Miami Valley It's a new tool it's online and instore. We used to collect the needs of people and match them with people who are willing to help out to volunteer so when you go to the site remember it's new and there's not very many opportunities on there just yet but feel free to use tool as needed to get people some help or post help. I hope you aren't running out of things that are constructive to do. I know for me. I've been digging into stories in reading comics and books watching. Tv shows and movies. I love stories. How about you do you like stories. Stories may do many things in my life from reminding me of my family history to helping me process the process through tough times and my life authors have a way of articulating things in ways. I never thought about before. They they start to help me understand my thoughts and my feelings. I'm also a storyteller I. I've been telling stories since I was old enough to put two words together but telling stories My hope is that I spark some new ideas or create discussion. Among people who hear the stories stories are captivating and any good story should disrupt our lives and make us take a second look at will without. We knew that's what Jesus told parables he wanted to disrupt people's lives and ask them to take a second look what they thought they already had figured out. So as I thought through all of this I started to think about a verse. The continues to haunt me during this corning Romans. Eight twenty and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him who have been called by his name or into his purposes. The more I thought about that verse. I couldn't understand how God was working out the good in this situation. I mean it's a worldwide pandemic after all and then had a second scary thought. God isn't just favoring us who follow him is he. I mean he loves the whole world. Even if people haven't chosen to follow him this can't be about privilege. Can It then in front of mine? Remind me of this concept. God will take the story of our lives with all the good and the bad and the messed up bits and retell it so it brings him glory and him honor. Think about that for a minute. That's what he's already done for many of us he's taken. A tragic story reminded us that it's not over and that the tragic parts will be used to bring him glory just like all. The Victoria's parts all we have to do is let him retail the story. As I look back at Romans. Eight twenty eight with this in my mind. I could see what was being said in all things God bring God works for the Good God will take the story of this pandemic and he'll retell it with all its tragedy and loss not spinning any sensational parts or changing one fact and tell you how much he loves you. I know it might not seem like that right now but we. The store is not over yet. So may you know that the God who brings salvation from tragedy when vite you around the Campfire to tell you a story where he will weave it together with all its bad parts and use it for good and may you be transformed by the store he tells we love you? Bcc Hope you have a great day. Talk to you later.
Ep 131 - It's Like, Charity
"What's up guys? Welcome with the T. M. G. podcast. This is actually today's episode. Today's free episode. But if you want a the bonus episode that went up today as well you can find that on our patron that's pay dot com slash tiny meet gang and The the free episode will be Ad Free as well on there so And if not thanks and enjoy this one piece piece it's like cool guy like Like sorry faulk sing sing like too much but you want to start there criticism right. What's up welcome to the insecure podcast responding to criticism? We receive recently. And we're here to argue with everyone invisibly so we win the arguments and nothing we say can be refuted. Couldn't insecure podcast. Hey guys what's up? it's cody. I don't know who I am and and joined by Noel as well how you feel in demand. Oh sorry I called you man. But what's the mood? Binding men and dude. No 'cause we could shut out. The boy was his name Stephan do we don't have we don't have to start. There actually might as well bring it out now. Who Cares? I've mentioned I forgive me man if I fuck your name. Bevan Ward Seems Bevan Von B. E. V. A. N. I don't know I'm probably fucking this up. He he did a video and be even even Steven just be. He pointed out that we have a bad habit of saying like. And it's so funny because I'm so mentally in my head about saying I'm I do that so much and I used to do that. A shitload while I was trying to get better at stand up and it was like the one thing all people I hung around with. They say hey may say. I'm too much so stage yes I think I just reverted to like. I think mom is not as bad as like. Yeah I watched this video his video. It's not like it's not. I thought it would be. I thought it was GONNA be a hate video that I was going to click this and he was going to be like fuck. These guys faulkner podcast. And you're ready to just drink it all the way I was. I was ready to shut down the Patriot. Shut this shit down but I I watched. I'm trying not to say like right now. Fucking me up. I know but it's good. It's good no we need. We need to. We need to think about this more. 'cause I watched this guy's video and he's not mean he's a fan and he just made this video because he was bored and thought that we needed a little bit of criticism on the podcasts. Which which is which we welcome with open arms. Yeah and We want this show to be good. We want you to guys to enjoy listening to it. Just as much as we like doing it so and so. I think I did watch this video and I did. I did think it was really funny and thought we should. We should watch together and think about it. It's so crazy how I don't know. Obviously we've been doing this for a little while now before we started. I think it's so easy to and we talked about this before. I'm not gonNA talk too much about it but I think it's crazy when you start something and not just us specifically but when you get into entertainment and you do something for a little while. It's crazy the EGO. Some people get just because they've been doing it for a while time automatically means you know if someone has criticism you can just write them off. And I've never understood. You could be five years into a show and if people say oh man the same or I- missing this or I wish you did more this. I don't think it's so beyond you. Just those are the people that watch what you do and enjoy it. I'd never understood why people get so bent out of shape when they get criticized for Shit. I think when you double down and you're like ow fuck you. That's when you start upsetting people at stuff like this is so I'm doing the like thing now. I think stuff like this is great and it's a good reminder. I completely loved it like this. So yeah let's kick it off so to the boy. Bevan by Hanger snicker style like I didn't eat cody and nowhere are to youtube. Is who got together to form the comedy. Rabbi hold on your screen. I can't see it. Oh my bed now dude. It's all good man. Sorry now go out is due in. Beveren being the dark. Yeah you in Bedminster. The beaver. I Yeah my initial thought. When I saw this video might I thought it was fucked this guy man like even just seeing the the title thumbnails talking about shut up. Dude we maybe we need to think about this. Yeah you're right you know that's my ego. Yeah again the way we talk about after but I think it's something a lot of people naturally suffer from. I think you see more of it just because so much of is on the Internet and you do have access to random people's opinions about the show and stuff and I think you get a majority of everyone does get some majority of like either random opinions or opinions from people who don't really watch what they do and so there it's easy to just dismiss it you know. Oh this person doesn't know what they're talking about it this. I understand what I'm trying to do so I think videos like this can easily just escape you because you're so quick to kiss my apps but yet I agree. T. M. G. or tiny gang and their songs are pretty good and their podcast is also not bad. But I'll take it not bad and then I'll take it from an Englishman. I'll take pretty good and not bad. I think he's Australian his knee. No I couldn't help but notice. I signed the word Lark Ozzy even better luck a law and I wondered exactly. How often do that? Say these guys so you take a whole heap of morbid curiosity he does. He has a great set. Yeah sprinkle in a global pandemic causing Mavis up quarantine. Can't go outside and spend time with my friends. I don't exist and what she ended up with. Is Me completely miss it? He's Ozzy every real thing as defense strike for me. He's going to be so offended watching this. He's GonNa say I'm English guys. Yeah okay I respect it or whatever. Wait Ozzy never mind even better cost. I release and cutting out every single time. I said the word Lark so. How often did I sat in episode one hundred twenty four of the podcast? Which was your blinds. I like Mike. Mike Oh we should just change the podcast of this back just sixty minutes of like. We cut out everything we said. What's up guys? Thanks for tuning into this week's podcast. Like oh man. I'm getting flashbacks of on right now. Like okay the only thing I'm going to use as a like see as a two percent defense. Ninety eight percent of this is Soubra valid. Only two percents. I'm going to defend our the times where we've been on the road and our brains were bit fried from forming. That's and where we are added gas this. That's the only two percent of the hundred percent likes. I will defend the ninety eight percent or two percent where we were completely intact from touring so we had no capacity to think. Yep this one whereas Australia. Yeah Yeah that was recently. Yeah this is Australia so we can't even use jet lag as an excuse here. Yeah we were in that time zone Mike late night on our new song. And it's this is a harbourside. I come home I good God. Do exactly seven hundred take like like like like this is so tedious man. I mean he just four episodes to this isn't even the worst one. Holy Pretty Wild but anyway would you say let's show to this man everyone show Bevan's some love Dude Yemen. No honestly I I I. I love stuff like this because there's no way you're ever perfect right and I'm not trying to harp on the same thing but I don't know I like this. Whatever what were you about to say? This is one of those things where when you hear it you can't stop thinking about it. Yeah I'd never noticed I listen to our podcast all the time 'cause I'm vain. I've never noticed it. Yeah but I do notice it on other people's and I it annoys me so I'm glad that someone brought this up because It was a kind of an eye opening thing. I'll fuck. Do we do that? Of course we do. Yeah it does you know. We're fucking saint half the time so we just we got. We got to find a different word Like what we replaced it with you. Know smeg MMA for example or that instead just a harmonized Yeah Yeah it was something enjoyable. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad but the word like is such a what if you replace it with yes. I'm watching the tiger king. And Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's pretty good. Turn it into the horn. His podcast. Yeah I was GONNA say you're not perfect and clearly you got to respect a guy who sat through four episodes and put together a tedious. Cut like this just to say. I like you guys but you do this. Too much in the slightest. So that's very true man. That's very true there's probably was so tedious. Extremely time consuming. So shot to Bev man. This has been thirteen thousand views on youtube. Wow when I saw the headline one hundred. That's crazy. I think the good part about calling it out like this or like acknowledging it is. It'll be in our minds at least. I hope my goal with this is to burn it into my brain. We talked about it for ten minutes. And I'll stop doing it and just even with how much streaming I think. This is a good thing to look at because I noticed I was doing on on stream a lot and again when I look back at some of the bodies I can see my brain like the dissociation happening like I say And then I think about everyone's ever told me not to say and I started saying it more. You can't really blame yourself for that though if you're going for four hours yeah but you got your yourself a little break we need. Maybe we need a like jar or an jar ou where every time we say it we contribute and then at the end. We buy something at the end of the month. We buy something for the podcast. A that's actually really cool. I like that. I like that a lot of actually how good idea we should we should. We should count up however many counted and then figure out something. You'll have kyle do that. Well if Kyle count all the spins you together and then figure out something cool for the podcast cost wise and that'll be our first like jar. Purchase Yeah I liked that a lot when we get. When does something has set wet when it does like count all the time or does it not count when we use it correctly? I think yeah I think use best judgment I think for using it. Because we're fumbling over our words then. Yeah we're going to buy something cool they're gonna go go now. Run that shit up. Run that like Jarrah Man. Don't Change Ki Moon. You be funny though. No no I think that's dope Yeah anyways No this is good. It's criticism I think. Criticism between people who watch what we do and US is good. It makes us better. That's the last also. Sorry I keep. This is a new chapter for TI. Gee I think we've said it probably three times. Maybe now no in this episode Dan as we said about ten times oh eight. Let's see I just said it right there. Nine one dollar in damn fuck. That's all right dude. What are we? What should we get like something something sick? Like some giant We we should know where teddy bears that are that are those giant Teddy Bear Statues at really expensive Bro. You know who makes the hype? Shit Miami I forget the dude. Who makes those he he actually created one? Have you seen that giant one by full screen? No yeah there's maybe he didn't make it but by full screen. There's this massive united. Yeah it's it's It's kind of a spectacle pretty big but I think it's one of those you're talking about. The ship is in the drake video right. Yeah those are like collectible. Yeah I forget the dude who makes those somebody even the small ones somebody who use scripts to purchase supreme clothing. Let us know what it is man. Can I say dude? I'm happy it's such a weird way to do it but I'm happy. We made a sketch really stoked about that. Oh yeah now I It was really refreshing watching that video. I don't know it felt it's all right. Yeah Fuck Fuck. Oh It's good. It's good just just pause is way better to do that. Just if you don't say yeah I'll say a Chamois it was. It was really refreshing if none of this makes refreshing you next door. You're going to be in the middle of a sense and go. F- sh- magma. Maybe he's a penalty. It's like when we say we have to say smeg Ma right afterwards to like humiliate ourselves fucking Senate again. Fuck whatever whatever. Whatever Morgan on it you know it was good. It was it was it felt like a return to form yet And it made me go. Back and watch Arles sketches that we were making on your channel And I found a really funny comment on the Chick-fil-a one is still my favorite really. Wow I really loved that one. I think it flows really well. I think it's like just well acted it's like we've downplayed it really well and it just comes off casual and really funny to me. What a crazy thing for us to do what do you mean like the the big fouled it again. No we weren't. We didn't really have the green light to shoot in there. You know what I mean. Yeah you're assigned to full screen talent. But I wasn't and just margus and Gideon we just said just WANNA shoot them really quickly. That's a pretty big risk at your job to just pull up with a camera and like a tripod and that wasn't even the only time we did it plenty of times. Yeah Yeah we're shooting every day. Yeah cutting that was funny too but you can hear the audio jumps. Yeah so if you haven't seen the sketch search CHICK-FIL-A board meeting it's basically you know I won't ruin it. Just watch it. Actually I have to ruin it and to make this concert to to give context of the comment Basically we you know one of our interns. We're we're the board members of Chick-fil-a were like figuring out how to increase profits and one of our interns says well you can just stay open on Sundays. And then we fire me get mattered on basically. That's the gist. It's Funnier when you watch it. One of the comments that someone left two months ago is this is terribly inaccurate. Not only is doing really well financially but yet using the stock ticker sick but ideas like open on Sundays and sell. Beef are horrible. Because they're fundamentally changing the identity of the restaurant here you don't bring in new business by changing what your existing customer base likes about you. Also I heard. They tried spicy nuggets but they didn't sell well enough to make it a sustainable product. I've been to stores where they sell spicy strips. Though the worst part is the skit wasn't even funny well fresh from his first business school class. Jesus Christ sued as high. That's High Karma from Wall Street bets right there man raids stock dude anyway. What are you going to say where we on Wall Street pets or something? Yeah Yeah Yeah. We'll we'll we'll get to that and say okay. Yes definitely what I was thinking. Yeah no I'm. I'm happy because I wanted to do it after I got back from tour and I've been thinking about it for a while and it was a weird way to pull it off. You know just not really seeing anyone. I have to say the way that came about was a house party reached out. And they say hey. We'd like to sponsor video something like that. I said what the Fuk could I do because I really didn't have any ideas. And then I had old sketch footage specifically that men doing chores bit. Yep footage already. I had that I shot that last year. Actually because I do this idea and then the Mormon sketch I had already shot but the audio I forgot what I did with it. I lost it. So the footage I was going to try and AGR IT. But obviously that wasn't gonNa work so at the last three days of just been crazy. I felt honestly like I was producing music video or something because it was just so wild. Noah has been Chad to know of any. He was cutting. I think like you know twelve hours a day. You just cut. Send me revisions. I just you know kick back with notes is to the point that I was cutting with him so I don't know I'm just really happy. We got it out so no it was great. I love the format on it. Yeah yeah seriously. Like having the fake commercial and the short little sketches stitch together like felt like a real show. That's why I think finally got dammit. I feel something like like. That is very pitiable. Yeah like if we even if we just inject a little music in there like skits or sketches with with music in them. Yeah yeah that we could do. Yeah for sure it's crazy. How writing a three minute song or a two minute song comes together so much easier than writing. Three minutes. Sketch was thinking about that. After rendering the footage I was thinking a three minute song now feels long which is why but if you compare that to three minutes gets and all. I was thinking about was entertainment falling in like what's considered short form a three minute sketch. If it's done not like well. It feels really long. Three minutes can feel like five. Seven minutes can feel really bad. Yeah but it's wild how to a two minute song feels appropriate so every bit down till about two minutes because I feel that's the sweet spot for almost anything right now so that was felt really good. It felt like a move really quickly and the pacing was really nice and I feel. That's honestly what kills a lot of. Snl BITS IS. They just go way too long. Yeah and and when you think about it. I feel sketch premises you. You mark them in the first minute and the best you can do a few more tags elevated key and Peele Shit is so entertaining because it's such high production value but if you don't have that then there's really no point to keep watching I but also like they. They don't really beat the joke to death. They usually just escalate to the point. Where it's a different thing entirely Yeah right is that fair to say. Oh totally in keys. Such a fucking master at Improv. So yeah we know. It's hard to it's hard to beat that. Formula and appeals is solid with writing and that stuff but yeah I mean I say all this to say I I hope when the fuck quarantine is over our hope. This video does well because I I want to. Just keep doing stuff like this. Yeah you know would be dude in his second shoot that shit vertical dog the Helio faulk. Yeah isn't it crazy? The Shit we did it full screen. And everyone's trying to do it now. That's what boggles my mind about. Qube is so obviously. It's like take talk like they're just jamming it down our throats with the ads. And there's so much paid marketing for that APP right now and everyone's fucking seen it. Everyone knows about it because it's fucking everywhere. Yeah and I have. You tried it. I haven't This week has just been a blur but you have right yet. Feels the same as full screen to me. Did wonder does does Warner who who started quickly his name. I forget his name sky and entertainment. Do they have any like joint venture with eighteen. Jeffrey Katzenberg do they have a joint venture. Do they have? Any respect raised a billion dollars in funding. Maybe she's a brand new APP. Then yeah it is. It's independent but it's the guy from Jeffrey Katzenberg is policy of Warner or something or was got it They were they raised. Hold on just because raised. They've raised a billion dollars in funding from eleven eleven investors last year May. So that's why they dump so much money into Content and then their whole play was come out with shit on a content from a less people. Yeah and reboot of whole bunch of old famous shows and then just pour money into marketing. I don't know if I can say this. But I was wondering if they had any connection to fool screener. At and T. Because I know rooster teeth. Repurpose a lot of the asphalt from full screen specifically the code base. Are I know that the front end guys were? They're telling me about that off record. You're joking you're joking. That some of your code is probably in the APP and it. It made me wonder. Did you know full screen? Or Warner pass off the code or anything. But it's really similar. Yeah just from this it really is it does feel really similar all the. Us is the same. Yeah you swipe through cards then. The bottom tab bar has like four tabs. It's really simple and full sun as an APP didn't live very long so it doesn't strike me as something where some tech director or you know. J- APP General Manager says. Hey we should copy these features did seems like so specific and the time apart is so far so I don't know I just don't know if vertical content suits high production value. I don't think it does doesn't fucking work for me. I got I walked. I watched punks His chance the rapper hosting punked they rebooted. It sounds like it's going to be good right. Yeah it's always fun to watch celebs get pranked Like it's an easy thing I feel like to I mean if they a bunch of money it's an easy thing to make it fun to watch but the vertical thing threw me off. Yeah they do the Shit where it's it's you know. Two two squares on top of each other or yeah to show two different things happening at the same time and it's hard for my brain to. I'm not trained. It think about content. In that way I don't think it because the whole point of filmmaking and storytelling is from a technical perspective is one depth in your shots right like. That's the whole point is the field that creates like a cinematic storytelling vibe. At least that we understand and when you shoot stuff like that and you put it in vertical. I don't know it just feels everything feels green screen. 'cause you're subject is really focused in the background you don't fully get it but it's like Kana Blurry Yeah I don't know it. Now that's the point. It just feels like a weird green screen. Show I don't know that's a really point. I don't know I get the kids. Make Tick Toxin Shit and they might be I. I wonder if they're aiming towards a younger demo that if they have data that tells them Oh yeah younger people consume shit in vertical format. But I I doubt that right. There's no way I mean ditches. Taking data from how often people are consuming stories and snapchat stories and all that stuff but vertical it suits real-life shit yeah Vlag like stuff. I don't think it suits that storytelling now And maybe you know. Maybe maybe they're trying to make that happen because they see a shift but I feel like people been trying that for the last five years and it just hasn't worked now. I don't know why it would work now. Dude and technically that should is such a nightmare. It's so he asked me. They would do that. They'd make them shoot stuff twice. And just yeah. What's The fucking point dude? I don't know it's I. I'm hoping that Jimmy and Christian show is good. It probably will from what from what I've watched so far of the other stuff on. Qube I just not for me. I haven't had. I haven't felt an impulse to reopen it. Which is also our which is always a bad sign with a new service or whatnot. What's watched that That golden arm. Shit Bro Yeah speaking of this Vertical Video Sata's dudes Zach Zach reveal R. A. F. F. I O on twitter he posted. This is so funny by real quick just being vertical video. I saw the sun the most insane vertical real life video the other day. This dude is walking down the street. It looks super innocuous and his girlfriend or something comes pulling up in a Toyota Corolla and she fucking runs him over he just hits him with the car and he does a flip church parking lot and then she kind of does a you and see we have. Do you have the link? I don't WanNA play 'cause it now. Kind of ugly. She's she speeds off and comes back and then he opens the door and he's kind of you know he's attacking her and stuff and it gets pretty bad but I was gonna say maybe maybe we dedicate a portion of every bonus episode to like shock shock value content. Just shocked me with something every single bonus I mean. That's that's fair I I. I'm definitely into that. That one was was dark though that that made me feel bad I just. I couldn't believe that though it was one of those things where you watched it and you think I should have seen this. No one shit fucking access to this but it's just a dude in a window. I always wonder what the fuck prompts these people to film that. Shit you know what I mean. Yeah and how? Are they already filming? Because they're always filming way before shit goes down and whoever's film he's always dumb casual behind the camera. Look at this Shit Bro. Look at this. Dang Dang look at this man. Look at this right here. These are what are you. He just runner over. 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I don't know what are cut of that would be. But Hey I'm I'm down to do that though was good. Let's take a percentage. Yeah we already have a massive debt on our like jar so this would help with. That's what we do every like. We gotta take we have to. You know put five bucks. Or whatever into like an investment portfolio and then we at the end of the month we pick a stock or we have we have our listeners. Pick a stock and we put all the money in that stock. Now you doubt man. What if we did? A little like charity. 'cause into the charity stream today but no no no no serious if we smash like a ton per episode. We just dropped some money in a bucket and the end of the month. We just I don't know by some kids in school supplies and a great idea spread it arena idea I listen to you guys think about that. We can start it. We could actually start. I'm I know you're not joking. We actually do that but we think bigger we could start our own. Charity likes for life for some no. We'll call it. I like charity or something. Let's call it like Comma charity. Yeah like charity charity. It's like charity. That's the tagline like charity. Charity did owned condescending charities like the charity you idiot yeah we fuck in we do charitable shit. What the fuck else would you? Were you help people in need? Ring any bells. Have you heard of it dude? It's called charity. Dick Amine charity website thirty website. We have to do that. It's like one of those restaurants where the waiters are mean to you on purpose. But it's just it's like charity. Daddy Bro then. We have a big charity episode once a year where we run that shit up. We get all the lights out for the year of holding our breath on like we on that shit up. I'm excited for this streams at I me too actually. I think it's going to be fun. Yeah me too. I think I think energy is going to be good. Yeah Felix from Chapo. My my pop in. Yeah that'd be awesome. Yeah Saturday chatted with him before we played fortnight. Once it was fun he lives East Coast. So that connection was bad and this was at the top of fortnight man. I'm not gonNA talk about it. I'm not but isn't kinda crazy. How the game? Truly for the first time in how long it it feels as though it's actually falling off a little bit fortnight. Yeah I mean it has forever. Now I wouldn't say forever. I think they're player. Base was still pretty dedicated until recently recently I guess they have a lot of server issues and just keep releasing skins telling people to go fuck themselves. What do you mean when people play on their servers? They either can't connect or the lag is crazy. Just you know like not addressing it. They're just wrote. There's putting more shit in the store. This big update coming deadpool skins man what six your shit anyways. Though I episode of the Tiger King that follows up. I WANNA watch the other tiger documentary because whoever posted it on the Patriots said that they present Joe in a much different context. Hold on. There's another one. There's another one that's older what yeah am really cares about that one. So that's my homework this weekend. What kind of different context? How is it different? I think the current Tiger King documentary kind of presents him as sort of like this troubled person who started you know in a good place and he became sort of bad. I don't know what the other context is. That's what I want to know. Is I wonder what this other documentary is like. Did you watch the follow up netflix episode? Did you know I haven't seen yet? I think it's wild that they did it. Yeah they must have done. It like rushed in response to the fraction of the show was getting right. Thousand thousand present. You know Netflix said Hey dude house a two thousand dollars a day rate for an hour and interview all those guys said Yep yeah. Let's go man. Yeah Yeah I'm I'm really curious anyone who's seen it blow up the comments with review. Yeah thank you. Listen to the debate album any new music because of all the fucking work I really. I'm keen on checking that out. The single snippety put out on his instagram. I didn't know if maybe I'll just being a plea being of some kind but I listened to it and I said well would just be manned is music to have some sort of you know like make you feel something and I just felt like someone was talking over some. I don't know it was it was it. Did it kind of sound like the Playboy Cardi One? No his jets but jetson made Zeman making these weird aspects. I really like them but they all kind of have a similar sound like I heard. Candy beats us. One of his samples in stream and the sample was really similar to the samples that are used in The Playboy Cardi Song and then the one future on the debut album. Like it's weird. It's kind of like You know how like low album has kind of spacey feel. Yeah it's Kinda like that mixed with like a cyborg mix classic Jetson NATO eight eight or jets and made eight. Oh eight yeah. It's weird and it's really off putting at first but I kinda like it. It just makes me wonder if yeah I I know you mean I kind of get that vibe to where I hear it at first and I say I kinda hate this but kind of slaps yes you do. You hear that new son of Vegas. I don't know if the song is new but another song because of the music video came out a few days ago talking about. Yeah Yeah What's that song called? I forget debate. He directed me. It does matter That shit the beat is super minimal and I was kind of impressed because I I know stunned has like a really dealt voice and his style is really dope and it to me. I took I listen to it and I thought Damn stewed his voices so he doesn't even need a ton of instrumentation behind what he's doing. He's good rapper. Then it made. It made me wonder if music is kind of going that way a little bit like just by the way of everyone using jets and made and he's the Dope Shit right now and the baby is. Is the baby doing something that a lot of other people are going to later or is this? I don't know is it just as bad as it just mid? I think you have to have the right style to. You'll office super minimal. Beat like they both do it. Well the baby's kind of overdoing it now a little bit. Actually this album. The beats aren't that minimal. He does a lot more melodic stuff. Yeah so I feel more full okay. Did you listen to the wedding? I did and I listened to like five songs guys. Pick and choose. I just did the shitty thing and went for the features and Yeah. I'm really high for the Westside gone album. Sorry I just have to get that out. I listened to the Tyler. The Creator one. I've listened to anything. Don't spoil it. I won't but it was good. I liked it. I like recording on Fridays. Actually because we all the music l. last night. Yeah Yeah so we get to review the kid. Leroy's gotTa to be one of the biggest stars in the next year. Yeah no for sure. He's GonNa blow. He's got a great voice a kid pop into I West I gun. Dude is is man a guy is a fucking genius he vile if you go back even two years and you look at the content him and Benny. The butcher and conway like what they were putting out. You would look at it and on the surface if you're not if you're just cruising through a ton of music rap music you might. There's so many things where you could go Just some guys wrapping and you just turn it off. And they're not. They're not young they're not like on thriller than on. Fucking Tick Tock. They're not blown up their music. And any of the ways that all the labels and shit are attacking now and they just went from three guys in Buffalo to where they're at now flicking on the runway in Paris and carving out a space for them in music that shit is. I don't know super inspiring for me. I'm I'm big Rozelle fan so let's Westside gun story. There's a ton of cocaine jokes and shit like that is he was like X. Coke Dealer. Oh Yeah Him Conway and Benny they. They were all They sold a lot of coke in Buffalo and they were just moving a lot of weight there. There's a lot to their whole world and just background. That's super crazy that that's why they're music. I Dunno you Kinda for me is gonNA sound pretentious as Fuck but whenever I listen to a west side gun project always look at it like it's a movie 'cause they're usually talking about said that they've done or have seen for real so it doesn't you know it's not just words. They're not just in studio. Do you ever get that vibe? When you listen someone rapping? You're like a probably not but it sounded good like I feel like you could tell the difference when someone is like an l. e. chopper. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah he did. He has like like one hundred thirty verses about killing people right whole thing. It's like five minutes song. All about how. He brutally murders people. You're you're like seventeen. He says in one of the genius things. There's a gap never even like touched any drugs. Nothing right so when you when you listen to their music it's to me. It's like a fucking experience. I feel like all his albums could be done with movies and shit you know. I don't know I I think it's a lot. It's easy if you're not used to that kind of sound to like listen to it and go old school. But it's a yeah. I don't know they inspire the Shit Adamy anyway do nom yum pump to listen to it. I'm not listen to after this. I always recommend you know a little. A little Influences good going into the album's what do you mean a little influence just a little. You know little sauce. Oh you're talking illicit substances just little sauce you know. Dip into Maybe a wobbly pop or maybe some little devils pubis. Yeah just a little something that spark up a little. Yeah Yeah Yeah I see what you're saying. I thought one of the things that I was cracking the fuck up at this morning was matt sending first of all one of the lyrics on the baby album. is is. My mom was my mom. I gave me a condom or something like that. Does the ad Lib or whatever you know one of those right so already. It's like what and then Matt sends out this one. Which is I'm a dog. I'm a shit on my last. Ho All the pretty bitches Nita asshole. Let's go. I just thought it was so funny saying let's go after saying really weird off putting shit. Yeah let's go. Yeah I'm the wave. Y'All a sinking ship fucking bitch and drink piss. Let's go let's go. I say some cool shit. Everybody screamed that way. I love it when girls do on me. I'm ended as Scott play. Let's go let's go go so high. Feel like I lick the frog Mike. Go crazy might just kick my dog. Let's go kick his dog. Let's go whenever I hear the phrase kick my dog. I think Shitty Jerky boys bit. Yeah my dog that one. Yeah Yeah Anyway. Absolute Classic Fourteen Year Old Bit. Right there classic dump it right there when whole on. I don't fuck what. Oh my God was. I told my ex diving coach I would go to their zoom poppins Zoom meeting today at noon and just text me fuck. I totally forgot. What can we take a short break between this and the and the other one you got too much. I'll just pop in for like ten minutes. Yeah I mean yeah. That's fine dude. So sorry dude I feel I feel bad because I blew off earlier. You blew him off. Did yeah blew him off. Fucking kidding me did yeah. Captains would that captains milk. You know some of that cat me. Some of that capability cap. Have we talked about the steering wheel clip? No we haven't that happened after week's episode right. Yeah Yeah it did. I'm sure people are the whole time are wondering is your dog okay. I'm in a limbo with Ali right. Now he's good but we're waiting for more results and we keep. I don't know man you know something's up. Yeah we're going to seek some second and third opinions. Because I feel that the care we have received has been a bit Lackluster that's never good. Yeah so he's he's okay but we'll see what's up Yes during we'LL CLIP. Australia's fun man. We so much fun we that was good. I feel whenever we squad. It's a good time. You Me Salmon Sparky. Yeah Yeah that was really fun. It's fun it sucked because I couldn't fully get the wheels work. I think that's what some people didn't understand. Some guy thought it was fake on Barstool. He said Oh. Do you clearly see that. The doesn't match up with the wheel. That's so annoying. What isn't it whatever he didn't like there's no way you can. You can convince them that it that it's real. Yeah but it's fucking when you know that it's real and someone has convinced it's fake. It's like this come on. You can do. Yeah Adam Whatever Yeah. I think the hardest part about it was that F. I was using. It's a commonly used APP for People trying to just use xbox controller on pc but you can't the steering wheel inputs they don't bind perfectly which was really frustrating because the APP would pick up inputs from the device but they wouldn't translate in game so I couldn't get it to a point where I could use it properly. Which is I don't know I feel like it could have been funnier if I got the wheel to function. If you do it through a consulate works perfectly. So that part sucks but we now but it was still really funny and you got on a like a shit on blogs and stuff didn't you yeah it was. It was featured in a ton of gaming publications and stuff a lot of international stuff to. Oh wait hold up. There's a weird thing that goes on at my place right now. We're a fucking shitload of bees swarm on my window. Hold on let me close this. What hold on. That's scary as Fuck B.'s. Covered in bees. They must have heard about all that. Honey we were talking about shut up. That was bad. You shut your Goddamn Mouth. Five in the swear jar. That's third jar. Yeah there was it. Yeah it was. I don't know there's a fuck. Obesity just swarm around my window. It's really weird. I I was walking Ali and I look up and I see a Shitload of them and then I look on my balcony and the sliding doors open because Alina decided she was cooking something. I fucking bolted upstairs. Come inside. And she's minding around she's like hey close the shit close it. We both run over and close it and she she freaks out she says. Holy Shit a what. The hell is this. I didn't even hear it. That's crazy and we're standing next to the sliding door. You can hear all of them. He's been Whatever and then craftily an hour later were just sitting in front of the TV and Elena looks down and there was a dead. Be In our carpet. Just perfectly like laying on top and then for the rest of the day we were freaking the fuck out. How many bees went inside and are just waiting waiting to just building little hives underneath your TV and stuff but you gotta think dude are bees real. I don't think so I don't think so. Everyone's always talking about saving them. But why will that's a government led thing that's a propaganda as the bees? Have you ever seen too? Because they're not real than their robots and they don't want society to destroying the little Intel robots. Do you ever. There is some of these BS outside of my apartment and I debated putting him down. It felt like a crime of some kind of felt. Like if I did it I will get in trouble someone. I don't know I've never felt that way toward the insect was really weird. Like you'd get smited by God or something or some government authority would pull up or I just kill in their view. Some I don't know a whole foods lady in the hallway. Who Like all unbelievable? Wow you just had to do that didn't you? Yeah yeah ever heard of. Save the bees not familiar with that phrase a just quick. Would you like it if I stepped on you? What who though some whole foods lady? She's a she got a whole foods apron on. Why are you in my apartment? Did you want to receive with that? Do you want to receive that be killing you? Just committed are moving onto the horn zone. Yeah let me pop into the zoom real quick. All right guys thanks in. Please like in subscribe We'll see you in the bone but if not we'll see you next week love you. Yeah sorry for the late episode by the way Yes sorry. Is that whole situation? Really fucking scary. I'll just talk about that for say on zoom. Okay okay. Why have to just meet your mic? I gotTA use it. I'M GONNA get off the call real quick. Oh that's fine. Yeah you know you can. You can leave it. And then join when you're done fucked. We never watched the Netflix trailer looking. Okay piece insect all right guys. Yes real quickly if you care if not it's fine. I'll see you later or we'll see a Nice Week. Basically so we were about to record the podcast and all these is being kind of weird and following me around our place and I just thought he was hungry. So put out some food. He didn't go for it. He just kept sitting by my foot and he doesn't do that. Every super independent so I thought something was wrong so I gave him to Alina and he seemed to sit down as to be okay. A comeback in here to record with cody and the moment I sit down. Alina calls me over. And she said I just went to pet him and he made this weird squealing. He was writhing and she didn't touch him after that. She was like really freaked out and so I look at him and I just gently touch his head and he does the exact same thing like on command and he's shaking and really kind of beat up or not beat up but he's just behaving really fucking strange. Squeal he did was so Off Pudding I've never encountered that before in grand is my first pet so you take him to the ER and The results came back that so far. Nothing serious seems to be the case and I'm really trying to figure this shit out because he hasn't been right for a couple of weeks now so we got him. Some pain medication with which seems to be working. It's like a pain relief. It's not a crazy dosage. Giving it to him but Yeah that's kind of status with the boy so I'm only explaining because I think you should know just because you pay to listen to this so yeah sorry if that went on too long thanks for listening guys will see in the bone zone all right piece.
#75: Marks Of A Movement With Winfield Bevins
"Hello and welcome to this episode of making disciples with Robbie Gallery a resource to a clip and encourage leaders to make disciples who make disciple makers. I'm your host Chris Wayne here with Robbie Galaxy the pastor of long-haul Obama's church founder and president of replicate ministries stories. Today on the podcast. We are talking with a a new friend of mine has known member awhile now L. Winfield Bevan's which I have to say. That name is incredible for me. It is like I am with a modern day. Wesley or George Whitfield or George Whitfield Whitfield Wesley. That would be an incredible name by the way combination of combination. I never thought of it. That's why that's a theologically rich name. I don't know what your parents were destined for greatness for that game I was destined to write books. That is a powerful name audiobook. I gotta Say I'M GONNA pick it up just for name along and so we're GonNa let you tell us just a little bit about just a little bit about your background in the past rob. We're going to jump in there with some some great insights sized because we have a lot in common with with our friend Winfield when it comes to thinking about how we do ministry and you've got some incredible insights in movements months and just some of the way we practice what we are doing today as believers in the church. So if you don't mind tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah absolutely absolutely So I direct the Church Planning Initiative at Asbury theological seminary as varies ninety year old seminary. It's probably one of the top ten largest seminaries in the world. It's global but also has deep Wesleyan heritage and so prior to coming to Asbury I've been involved with church planning for about a decade on the East Coast and launched a company interdenominational network of churches and there ended up Do my doctorate trudell southeastern where I studied with Ed Stetzer and kind of got connected with the larger. We won't hold that again. I don't hold that. Let me about so. Yes I've been doing win. Church planning work for fifteen plus years but with that really have developed a real heart for discipleship and formation and the need it for the recovery of of that here in the twenty first century North America. And that's how winfield and I connected so for years. I would go to conferences. I was exponential remember like two years ago and my came up to me and said do you know Winfield babs and I was like now I never heard any like you need to know Winfield so I think I picked up marks of a movement back then as paperback small paperback. Yeah right and it was kind of a small then I might man this guy's like minded and I think about a year we go. We connect a little over a year ago. We connected had a great phone call and both of US shared our passion for John. Wesley and our passion for discipleship and so oh that's when we connected over the seed conference and then we started talking about. What would it look like to partner together and so here? We are Now and so. I had the privilege yesterday today of speaking with Winfield and Alan Hurst at a conference for Pastors Really Leaders Pastors Ministry leaders on and how to create a movement of disciple making. So let's talk a little bit about because this is really what I think will help our listen. If you don't know winfield you'll you'll you'll get to know him here here and then you want to research his books very helpful particularly one of the books he just gave us on family discipleship. Let's come back to that Dylan. Remind us because I want to promote that. I'm at the end of says something. Chris and I've been living in doing with our own kids but talk to us a little bit about movements. This is where you have spent a long time. Just really studying. How movements movements happen right and we're talking about discipleship? Most we're talking about really awakening. I think we need awakening in this country. Those listening say I'm with you. We need awakening so share share with us some of the some of the highlights of how we see awakening. What did you learn from the research and how we can see that church? Yes so marks of a movement is is The subtitle of the books with the Church today can learn from the West Land Revival and I I like to use the term westland revival as opposed to methodist because it kind of bypasses all the contemporary methodists stuff and as you look at past movements historic movements and even global movements there are some similarities. That you can kind of see with them. And so one of the things I try to distill in this book as water are kind of core essential marks of movement and movements essentially are sociological. You know it's people you know movements or people these oranges numbers. These are people's lives in his people kind of get swept up with a common cause Now awakening happens. I think the unique thing about the Wesleyan revival is there were methods that came behind the the the awakening. You you quoted this yesterday. The great whitfield quote. Where you know he says my work was just kind of a a rope of sand? You know but Wesley had a structure. We had a system he put something in place. And so that was really The genius of the Westland Revival was it connected. People in these disciple disciple making systems so that they continue to grow in their faith and so he was an organizational genius kind of connecting people and in bands class meeting meeting societies. And we can kind of unpack that a little bit more here in a minute. We're things I like to say. His movements can't be manufactured they they really are supernatural. The Work of God. There is the factor we can do things. There are methods that we can do to kind of support and come alongside to keep people kind of moving along but but really movements begin again with people's lives being transformed and what we WANNA do is help them to continue to keep growing in the faith You also have as you look at global movements historic movements. There's always this kind of rediscovery of leaning into the person and work of the Holy Spirit there. Is that supernatural element. You can't manufacture it always makes drive by churches and says revival and there's like a little date next to it. Yeah that's always been something I don't know if it's that easy. Let's throw it on the calendar. We got three days a revival handsome manufacturer and organized well. And that's one of the reasons. Honestly Chris I've never I mean maybe a fault of mine of never had a formalized revival and I've had like like focused times of Repentance Focus Times of study. Yeah but as far as put it on the calendar Revival October twenty fifth through. That's what makes it revival the fact that you can't plan and anticipate right. Now you can but like what you said there. You can create a framework by which the the breadth of or as John you say raise the sales to catch the wind of the Holy Spirit right absolutely and I think that's what the the West I mean. They called people back to means of grace prayer fasting. Go Go to the Lord's supper being community You know they emphasize all the stuff that would put people in close proximity to seeking the face of God and I think that's what we as church leaders. That's what we can do. We can pray for that and we can point people to that and we can challenge them but ultimately really is a work that the Holy Spirit needs to come. And I and I think in the days I think that's one of the things in the West we need to we invite the Holy Spirit back and I think that's a great challenge. Invite the the Holy Spirit right and we have to lose your. There's a little bit of control we lose isn't there. How do we control the survey now if we want God to intervene easy now? Well here's the thing I'm China. Uh you've probably heard this in China what's interesting is. The Chinese came to America years ago to inspect what was happening in America. This was years ago when Kinda the back to Jerusalem movement was happening where the Chinese and the East moving West Jerusalem to share the Gospel and they came to America to study investigate. What was happening happening in America? When they came back to China reported to the pastor's they said what was it that struck you about American Christians? Were they said it's amazing. How much American Christians attempt to do in their own power separate from the Holy Spirit? We can be good at manufacturing and creating an organizing and programming and buffet line of options of ministries. But we really need as you said a fresh wind to the whole. Well we come back from the break. Here's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about what Wesley did with these bands because we talked a little bit about this yesterday. I really want to help our listeners. Because we talk about discipleship and disciple making. Wesley was a master. Her of getting these men and women in smaller groups called bands. And I think what we have you. I'd love to hear what that look like for him. And then what that looks like in your our own discipleship group with what you have and you and you're part of so. Why don't we do that? Chris you WANNA give a quick update on what we're talking this week. You've already heard the guys mentioned it. And we want to highlight winfield. Bevan's new book marks of a movement marks of a movement causes back to the disciple making mandate of the church through the timeless wisdom of John. John Wesley in the Methodist Movement Winfield helps US reimagined church multiplication in a way that focuses on making an multiplying disciples for the twenty first century in the church. We really need a movement of historic proportions once again. So what would a movement like that look like today. We must look to the past to gain wisdom for the the future and as we look at the pages of church. History there's no better example of a multiplication movement in the West and the methodist movement of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries marks of movement mint highlights the lessons and the key insights from that time and enables us to reapply these timeless pieces of Biblical wisdom for today. I've read it. You should check it out. It's a great resource. Go learn some more about it at marks of a movement DOT COM. And we're back. We're talking about movements. We're talking talking with our friend. Winfield Bevan's and he's given us some great insight and again we're talking about really discipleship. I mean when it boils down. There's a lot of pieces to this. But but when it when it comes to a movement we see how Jesus started with a few he impacted them and then he told them to go and do the same and for some reason over the years since we have change administered to be so many different things but we kind of bring it back to. What were we talking about right before the break that you wanted us to lean into a little bit more winfield? Yeah well the thing is as winfield would say he's over church planning and Asbury but we're really not planning churches. Were Planning Disciples. And the disciples lead church obviously But one of the things we talked about is the band. We're talking about Wesley Band emphasis so you gave me a book yesterday. We both know this author. And he's he's a friend of both of ours. His name is Kevin Watson. The book is called the band meeting so I had the book at home and my boys this morning and I showed him a book. Winfield road on family discipleship which is another. We're just giving growing at home is the book. They wrote a book ideas all day. I mean I'm just telling you somebody's gotTa Right. We're liberal. Well we're GONNA load you up with Winfield book growing at home so I was showing one of my boys this book growing at home and then I said look. Here's another book called the band meeting so my boys who were in discipleship group with me naturally ask what is a band and I said well. It's like like a D group and my son Rig said. Did John Wesley get that from you. Actually really son John. Wesley started that in seventeen fifty. So I don't think I he got that from but anyway I thought it was funny. My son thinking about the bandmate. Okay tell us about. What was Wesley's Wesley Band meetings like back? Then and how can we adapt some of that for our time today. discipleship yeah absolutely. Yeah the band meeting really. I think was was Wesley. Favorite methodism is really known for the class meeting which would correlate to what most of us would think in terms of a small group group but the band meeting was really his favorite. This was kind of the small intimate space of say three to five people There is something you talked about that yesterday. There are some about that dynamic of if it's just one on one then it can just be the ping pong match But if you have three people there's really accountability to going deep and so this the ban meeting again. It's not like a rock band. You gotTA explain that to people upfront. But really it's this intimate space vase where three to five people. It's an odd number. Typically where people can really get down dirty with where they are in their life. It's life on life You know in most cases it's Gender specific so people can really kind of deal with issues that maybe they are struggling with and and you know the band's always opened up with you know how is it with your soul and so this is like a holy hour where people move beyond the shallow and they went into the deep and bands. Aren't up what I love about. It is and I think this is where we've kind of propped up Christianity and the West with curriculum and programs. There's no curriculum onto the band. It's just asking each other deep questions and inviting the Holy Spirit to comment and search our souls together and that's where the leadership pipeline blind really emerged in the early Wesleyan revival people really got sears with God and leaders really emerged out of the ban meetings. Yeah what's interesting is that first. This question is so thought provoking so Chris. Let me ask you that question. How if we were doing this? D Group Ban Meeting Right. Now we've got Dylan on my my left. We've got winfield on the right. Got You face to face. How is it with your soul right now? Busy that's what I would say Yeah my soul right now. I need to stop right. I'm glad tomorrow's Friday because that's the day I do that either. But that's a good question you see where I'm asking that and you're listening you're thinking game. Wow she listening. How is it with your soul now? Imagine if you asked that question every week you think about how this works right. I people ask us all the time at RBC late. What's the curriculum? Give us a workbook. They want what they they bet. They've been asking us for years. Give us a curriculum gives a workbook. Give us a fill in the blank. Book gives us a multiple choice. We want something to write down. That's our western wave and have some people who turn take the stuff and make a workbook that's right and then a and us the workbook like y'all use this and the thing we tell them is we have one textbook. It's the Bible Right. It's kind of a novel idea. One Textbook the Bible all and you never graduate from the Bible so why. Don't you read the Bible together. Ask Accountability questions and journey and watch with God in. It's kind of a novel idea but Wesley we knew this back then like just gathering together. What are some of the other things that Wesley did in the band that I think can help those listening or maybe some of the things you've learned in your own meeting? Yes so in the back of marks of a movement I've got kind of contemporary guide so really in the back. There's some stuff that churches church leaders Christians could just kind of just taken us rip-off cut in pay like in the you know it's an adaption of Wesleyan early questions. So how is it with your soul you know with what. What are your struggles this week? Is there any sin in your life. Are you keeping anything secret from the group and then the last question. How might the spirit be moving in your life and so there are these searching questions that cause you to go deepen when you're in this group week in week out and your brother sister says hey? Are you keeping anything secret from us. It's pretty powerful. I mean you know you know you're lying if you don't and again that intimate space weakened weak out how you just look forward to and so I'm GONNA banned With three other guys and it's been really profound one of the things that it's really done for me kind of following following up on your th. I think we all feel busy. You know we are all kind of rushing I'd fly. I do travel soon as I leave. Here I'm flying to England and I do a lot of international travel with the band has done for me. It has forced me. It doesn't always feel good. It's not exciting to have someone ask you these questions you know like is there or any sent in your life. Sometimes you know. Yeah Man I you know a blue it this week and the thing that the I think the great thing that it's really done on for me to force me to be present each week for an hour. It's forced me to slow down my phone in the car. and I'm with kind of a band of brothers and I'm present in that moment and it's actually impacted the rest of my week. It's allowed me to be more present to my family only to the work that I'm doing And so it's causing me to slow down and think more deeply about the words in the deeds that I do. Here's the thing about how profound that is. I'm reading a book. I'm preparing for a series on stress and anxiety. Depression suicide worry. All of that goes together and one of the things. I'm finding an all of this is. Is that the reason Pete and you fill in the blank any with any of them. The reason people are worried anxious. Depress is because they're never in the present. This is what all the research research finding. I'm finding they're always worried about something that happened in the past or they're anticipating something that may happen in the future which may not and even I know my l. life when I get nervous anxious about sometimes never materializes never but we worry about so. That's so that's so cool. He said and there are thought about when you come to the discipleship pushes group the band meeting what you're doing is you're coming and you have to be present to answer these questions and you have to investigate your soul in in recovery. When I was getting clean from drugs and alcohol the first step to sobriety? is awareness. Yeah you know what I'm saying like you have to be aware there's an issue. Yeah I think if there's a correlation I think that's the geniuses well of the twelve step program as it forces you to deal with the stuff in the present and Chuck Hunter looks at this and Georgiana the third who has written a number books he was at Asbury Dean of the school world ages contagious. Yeah he also wrote a great but called on the Celtic way of evangelism and he looks at discipleship in community and he actually parallels the twelve step program communities to how the Church should actually be these these places of accountability which is essentially what Wesley was doing and the band. Meet those right right and I think a lot of people don't know this. Maybe Wesley learned about bands and societies. And that maybe you can help me. This is what I found researching from Zinzan Dorf and and the whole movement of the Moravians. The you know this. Obviously but Wesley Came back from America. He sees the story goes he sees Whitfield. Who invites him to come on his first? I Journey Wesley. Innocence didn't have a lot of success with field goes and blows it opening. God uses him on there so Wesley comes back. And Kinda does some soul searching and goes and studies as or spends time with the Moravians and he's blown away by how these people are living in community and confessing sin and growing. He never saw anything anything like that. Felt like it was a slice of heaven on earth and takes that back and Wesley. The organizational genius that he is formalizes classes. I mean societies classes and bands and the rest is history. And here we are. We are well again. The beauty of this. Anyone can do it. It doesn't take a seminary. Mary degree you don't have to have a PhD. There's no curriculum. That's what I love about. Dodges true can replicate this so good all around the world and its. It doesn't cost anything now. How doesn't cost anything? Any lever filled with the spirit word of God can invest in the people. That's it well. I WanNa thank you for being with us today. Having this conversation a lot more talk about but if you want to find out more about Winfield Goto winfield Bevan's dot com and you can find out a lot more about his books training and what he is up to as always if you enjoyed enjoyed podcast share with a friend gave a five star rating on your favorite podcast listening APP. Thank you for joining us for this episode of making disciples with Robbie Galaxy. If if you don't mind take a moment to subscribe and share the podcast. You can find out more about disciple making resources related to disciple making and are customized training on our website at replicate dot org.
US governor issues 428 pardons on leaving office.
"Coming up on five minute news UK comes to terms with Tory election. Victory US governor issues. Four hundred twenty eight pardons this during final days in office and three digit suicide prevention hotline given green light in America. It's it's Saturday December fourteen. I'm Anthony Davis Boris Johnson has said. He hopes his party's extraordinary. Election win will bring closure to the brexit debate and let the healing begin speaking in Downing Street. He said he would seek to repay the trust placed in him by Labor supporters. who had voted conservative? For the first time he said he would not not ignore those who opposed brexit as he builds with Europe. A partnership of sovereign equals B. Conservative's victory took that total number of. MP's is to three hundred sixty five. Mister Johnson who earlier accepted the Queen's invitation to form a government added that there is no strict definition of his is one nation conservatism. But broadly it refers to the idea. The Conservative Party should act for everybody in the UK Green MP's elected acted in Thursday's general election represented more than eight hundred and fifty thousand votes but only got one seat while Scottish National Party. MP's got under the twenty six thousand but achieved forty eight seats more than three hundred and thirty thousand votes were needed to elect a Liberal Democrat competitive fifty thousand for Labor and thirty eight thousand applied comrie and conservative candidates. Meanwhile the BREXIT party one more than six hundred forty two thousand votes but failed to get any representatives in the House of Commons overall. The Electoral Reform Society claims that forty five point three percent of votes did did not get any representation because of the number of voters who didn't support the winning candidate the figures which come from analyzing the number of votes this compared to the number of MP's elected have led to renewed calls for electoral reform former Green Party and Brighton Pavilion MP. Caroline Lucas used her election victory speech to call for an end to the first past the post voting system replacing it with a fairer proportional voting system former Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin issued. Four hundred. Twenty eight pardons Auden's in his final days in office a list that includes multiple violent offenders. The Republican pardon to convicted child rapist as well well as a convicted murderer. whose brother raised money for Mr Bevan's election campaign? Mr Bevan was defeated by Democrat. Andy Bashir in November After a contentious election the flurry of pardon sent shockwaves. Through the state's legal system state prosecutors told local media. They had not been consulted altered on Mr Bevan's decision and families of the victims were not notified in advance. I'm a big believer in second chances. Mr Bevan's said in a statement to the Washington Post newspaper. I think this is a nation that was founded on the concept of redemption and second chances and new pages in life Mr Bevan space of pardons includes Dayton Jones convicted of sexually assaulting a fifteen year old boy Brett twitter convicted of killing a pastor and his wife while all drink driving and a woman who was sentenced to life in prison for throwing her newborn baby in the trash after giving birth in a flea market outhouse he also pardoned the man who was sentenced to twenty three years in prison last year for raping a nine-year-old child. The extensive list includes Patrick. Brian Baker convicted in two thousand seventeen of reckless homicide robbery in hustling a police officer and tampering with evidence links to a two thousand fourteen home invasion invasion that resulted in the death of Donald Mills. Mr Baker's brother and sister-in-law held a political fundraiser for Mr Bevan last year raising twenty not wanting a half thousand dollars and donating an additional four thousand dollars to his campaign at the same event. Mr Baker had served just two years of his seventeen eighteen year sentence when Mr Bevan pardoned him on the night of December he's co-conspirators in the robbery and homicide when not pardoned poll. Poll suggests Mr Bevan left office as one of the least popular governors in the country following high profile battles with unions and teachers Afraid three digits. Suicide hotline is being set up for Americans after it. It was approved by the Federal Communications Commission yesterday when it becomes operational the nine eight eight. Dial Code will provide mental health support and ease pressure Russia on the nine one one line which covers all emergencies. The hotline would reduce stigma and save lives says. FCC Chairman Agit Pie. Hi Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the US and has increased by thirty three percent in the last twenty years the proposal for the suicide hotline which was unanimously approved by all five members of the commission requires telephone providers to implement the nine eight hundred dial code within eighteen. Months proposal is now open for comment period which gives members of the public the opportunity to submit their opinion. You can subscribe to five minute news with your favorite podcast APP Oscar smart speak at or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa Flash briefing skill. Follow us on twitter at five men news. Five minute news is an independent production covering politics inequality health and climate delivering honest verified and truthful World News daily.
3 Big Election Night Lessons
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Tuesday night in the Kentucky Governor's race but the incumbent Republican Governor Matt Bevin said he is not conceding. It appears the Democrat Crat Bashir edged out Republican Bevan by a very close six thousand vote margin as a Wednesday morning. CNN had not yet called the race there were a lot of local factors at play here. That helped Bashir apparently win over Bevan including Bevan significant unpopularity but Bevan closely aligned himself with trump even rallying with the president trump won Kentucky by thirty points in two thousand sixteen. Still Senate Majority Party leader Mitch. McConnell who is also from Kentucky called the results disappointing adding the margin of four tenths of one percent is really close with a margin that small look for that vote to be contested in some sort of reassessment of the ballots will happen second. Virginia's House House and Senate are now in Democrats control giving the Democratic Party. Hold on all three bodies for the first time in a generation. That's Virginia House. The Virginia John and the Virginia Governor's Office this solidifies. What had once been a swing state as a stronghold for the Democratic Party? It also happens to be a good would return on investment for the Democrats who poured money and resources into winning the state this year. The winds also opened the door for new gun control laws an an increase minimum wage and other progressive measures that Republicans had previously blocked. Plus it offers Democrats the chance to redraw the state's electoral districts in redistricting. Dang in two thousand twenty one another interesting tidbit out of Virginia in two thousand seventeen. A cyclist was fired. After giving president trump's motorcade the middle finger last night she was elected to a local seat in Loudon County Virginia Third Mississippi showed. It wasn't a complete blue washout last night. Republican Governor Tate Reeves defeated the State's democratic attorney. General in the governor's race trump tweeted his congratulations to reeves. Saying our big big rally on Friday night moved the numbers from a tie to a big win. Great reaction under pressure. Tate trump won Mississippi by about eighteen points in two thousand sixteen reeves won by six points on Tuesday night. It's tempting to want to say that. Statewide results apply to the national landscape. They don't nor do they tell. The future feature of what will happen in next year's election but they show that right now. Democrats are making major inroads. That could pay off next year. which brings us to the appoint? Democrats have a lot to cheer for from Tuesday's election results. But that doesn't mean it's smooth sailing onto twenty twenty and that is the point for November. Remember Sixth Two Thousand Nineteen. Thank you for listening for more updates throughout the week including our Sunday night. Campaign edition. 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Deadly Discussions Episode 20
"Welcome to deadly discussions. I'm your host Isaac Harrison podcast on social entrepreneurship before we get started locked to acknowledge the war Andrea people of the Kulin nation on these slant record now today's guest we have Mr Bevan Melman Bevin mountain is a indigenous law mental lawyer had the word Lohman but it works a lot in the wrong bivona than the native title Land Rights different business indigenous business this practices or things that trying to get implemented come as a legal aid and most often than not you providing a Lotta pro bono which a lot of us mob do because of passion for our people so but I'll let you do the proper introduction so yes stuff it up so gung better. Things nearly appreciate this time. I'm today with yourself and listen. I appreciate that he's probably do. WanNa share bid on before we get into what you're doing. Now currently in work which is big big things that I've heard all you want to start will start way back in the story so now he's fat as born in born. Is that correct. I was born in in the west and countries around the the big draw people draw people yet around the nomin ranges oranges and we that moved over to mount is a calculating country. Yep and when dad was a cowboy in travelling around a lot riding on alter newsouth byles Victorian Queensland and when he settled down and he he just looked for a quite wants to raise a kid so we settled down is away. He was a caretaker of the ready. Events dance all really really so. You must have been like one of the people known employed by mining any actually I was but I I am. I five dollars Chechnya. also described so yeah. Wow what'd did you do with that five dollars. I remember my probably all these things and so growing up man Iza than your schooling there. What was so you know what I what time was this eighties yeah around the seventy s in Palliative as I grew up in Isaiah went to calculating high school was a lot of a lot of our business our people there and there's a there's a wonderful time and I guess you know growing up in in mountain and keeps get into a lot of trouble so yeah got into trouble myself and ended up down in Anaheim's out of homes down in Wilson which was in prison. It's closed down now. where I escaped but it wasn't the there was a there was a guy running around. I used to go in jeans that wasn't any skype when I was thirteen and yet jump trying and headed up to cans a few Amal and his jump to fight trying with you said your father was a cowboy so I think I concert and you for our listeners because I'm on a personal no level you've got to marry cultures well slums Seattle and not to put out from talking about banks and the Nobel Domino's road run and so you've indigenous culture. You've got Mary Culture and while supplies what have we got. Anglo heritage a strain heritage in there as well not know of any all really well Yup but yeah it's been a it's been quite a journey you know on the indigenous identification so I've because you're not really you know always everyone's just everyone so you know together and that's it yeah well and so how do you find growing up identifying as do identifies merryman every man or an aboriginal man and what's your take on the differences with the culture and how they've progressed over. New Zealand versus over here in Australia. I think so I grew up. Bevin you know I don't know necessarily identified as aboriginal because yeah I'd have to sense and R R remember being in a watchhouse I S- being fingerprinted as a kid and for biking and I just ran the looking in the men's section because I was too two young so they put me in the women's section. I remember seeing a lot of average. Everyone was black so I didn't really understand it because I was young. I many many years understand you know we understand that what what was going on and and certainly it's it's part of my calling to support those communities that have been through those difficult times as far as as far as different culture. I think you know the scrape. They have corporate astray supporting indigenous people wonderful the rise in raising the bar initiative that come off by state to state. IPP's but the one thing is important properties are tossed pay for them themselves to take hold of their accent was on because of it we once upon a time we carry the exit. Hans and it's been lost time so we've had you know. Many other side is looking after us very much that head before the tile yeah but now it's time for us to to. Gripe grab hold of the accident tycoon. All of those opportunities joined the leadership of the nation going forward which is which is probably the you know what I see the difference between people in back. I'm in zone and people people back home in Australia as well. You know what's two times. I've taken hold of the X. Announce for for us. Hold our head in the celebrate the coaches and that's exciting and it's the best people I've heard. Reconciliation is not one party giving recumbents back. It's both parties. Bayne Made Hall in the second stances not going okay water strike giving give me all this stuff back because the people of those generations aren't the ones who are responsible danceable. You know it's like Bif-. How do we reward and exchange more than just a monetary thing so let's go back to the the story so you yeah have gone up north. Hang out the palm islanders pretty crazy bunch. I'm applying touch forty against them in Queensland growing up pretty fast lot. I'm always thought dollars pretty quick but then I got on the forty with a bunch of palm islanders and break must say to be too busy yeah well fishing in an out and out nick of the woods many Feliz Surfing Valley's only one and so for me to find out more so you now end up. You're you're now. You're a lawyer so how does that guy from a runaway train palmolive to now legal. No you sort of one thing Dad Dad still in really placed in my heart was that can do anything and in the world was at my feet so it's very young I I when I was I was seas. I had a dream since I two guys Olympics and twenties chasing that dream you know one the Queensland Queensland title place the Nationals and then when the seas- and I think through that whole journey you you growing nurture you know self control call self disciplined and and just some tremendous belief in yourself and coming back spot was has that been Judy Judy feel make sure a bit of a wrestling tussle anytime soon and so twenty years so yes I twenty. I came back and started low around the time I like twenties. oh actually started not because what's guy with Japan to match up as a UP. you know when you're when you're in. Mount is which is pretty remote back then it's still is you sort of know nothing about what universities offer and then when you get a glimpse of one area this whole wilder ends up so I went from wanting to study Japanese to accounting to actually studying crops and studied a lot in aboriginal literature in order to complete a law degree at Melbourne Business School Melbourne Law School and then at an NBA business school as well yeah well. I think it's just doors doors. I've been up in the right environment spoke with the right support and take those opportunities and would you say that your personality type that Sorta goes with the floor or you're very intentional about end up. I think you've well. I think you've got to have a bit of article on you know the young doors I've been up and and you step freedom and sometimes it's it's doors that I've been unexpected you know I spend time as a as a youth in detention juvie the door to university. I've been out the door to law school. I've been up senile to and then after that will to now now business go and Clinton have scripted any someone's looking after you thank you and so coming into finishing university where you like all right. I'm a black fellow with the law degree. I'M GONNA Guy Help Mon people all what happened there. What was what was the what the steps that lead you to you know having Jeremy Legal Today Yeah No. I I wasn't thinking that I was actually actually at the complete opposite so yeah home from communities that face always problems I grew up with it and I am was part of it as you know and in time and I just I just wanted to not be involved in that. I wanted to go overseas and you know I applied to Oxford Anna's man I was planning to have it and again. you know after working at some law firms here that gave me against takings lawyers which is now known rightful right. Yep Yep I twenty years ago my joint venture partner with Jeremy Legal those political. Hey I mean I I was headed overseas to you know it'd be a great corporate lawyer but yeah all of a sudden having made that declaration the U. Lighter with found myself spending the next three years working remote communities ninety five percent by Seltzer couldn't have scripted it that sounds like my life end up in community and you obviously yovany loving it and so what what does it look like in one extreme you know set to a Lotta people one weekend. I'm eating dugong seater Cowabunga Alan Bunker C total with my hands and the next week I'm eating live gravy and onion getting told probably not in folks with my white grandma. It's not going from a heavy culture of corporate weld and dog eat dog setup and then yet and community whether they've got nothing heavily relying on the charity of like how do you sort of drop to comparisons. How do you have you navigate yet. How how do you sort of navigate through the head of you. SORTA now a lot of people that want to have everything in a box. That's the people that Dan the bush. We live in the city here. You know what's the steps to bring quality equity back to both by parties or balance and I'm a I'm a I'm. I believe in correct I believe in God I believe in Jesus and I believe that he's love and spirit is in everyone and then yeah in essence everyone has that love and that Haag for each other and I think that's what makes it so easy to uh-huh traverse from Vermont Community Say Luma in Kimberley's to some of the the the corporate companies because ended the died you you never really just all all people and we'll very cohabitate love for each other and that the creation by God and I think it's wonderful to be to share stories to the limit communities about about the wonderful people in the corporate world good and vice versa so that that makes it easy when you know that that that but you understand spiritual things that you understand that there is a love between all things yeah now. I think everyone wants to have the same things you know food food on the table of roof over ahead and It's tying that together that we can all win together. The hasn't have have to be US versus them and you probably know with like a man is away. You've got blue collar white collar living on the size of the town. It's about walk all China achieved something together and there's enough left on the table for everyone yeah absolutely and that's one of the reasons but I was like that that John was set up and means one mountain to the mountain of the Lord South Shelby lifted up and all nations all nations sell flow into it so so is set up to to speak voice to what is right and what is just across the knife in to balance things up so that when you do have deals indigenous people I'm not aiding the Krim crumbs on the floor but are actually standing and in the leadership and it's as partners of some of these mining companies agribusiness companies or the seller. Um Companies in that respect I just rescue brother full for the World Lonzo. Say A lot of people who occupied vice in community projects is can help with the framework. I can help technicalities and where to go but I'm no lawyer. I make that very a clear and I think it's very important to have that legal. Vasco full community and then educating first nation people globally that just Casella Kosonen rox up in a suit with a suitcase. It doesn't mean you're about to get ripped off in how we can do this everyone to benefit. I think that's what's the the steps taken for indigenous people and what doesn't indigenous loyal. Oh clock you know one foot in by worlds and being that bridge between the two and and you know really love what you doing German and Mexican solder that you upon with was it Norton rose known I think the global number full both yeah eh and they as I said they through the to me when twenty years ago when my union marks weren't that good yeah should give you a shot and twenty years like I said to offend you know out of that group all the least likely come back and set up a joint venture and yet here I am. It's just you can't write the script any brother. John writes talk about it. Why workout is what's so. What does that mean ponding with someone with that capacity and capability? What does it mean fabrics people. So what does it mean we wanted to. We wanted to sit a legal framework across this nation. Yeah I'm particularly title is recognized so that that legal framework is palatable to communities and insensitive to their culture traditional values but it's also also welcoming to international and and you know even bash investors so that you've created a point where people can meet yeah and people can work the land and as you said where everyone can prosper so rather than you know you know leasing things exactly how the company's indigenous people will be part of that joint-venture sold and and and look to you know and bring down the vision for their land in in agribusiness in renewable energy which is what you're doing now there always so we we see the next two hundred years yeah very different to the last where this nation vote. We'll come together and I believe will set a blueprint for all the nations as to how we all should walk together Yup. How two different cultures share that one piece of land in. It's everywhere you know. Malaysia have a first nations people get the islands as of Micronesia got the Celsius bloodline as well to Vanuatu. It's everywhere in native America South America Central America and there's a lot of people that are saying hey listen. I want my culture still and now I live in accordance to the land in creation in those ancient your laws that have been set down foundations dacians but I also WanNa be pot of the the modern world and so. I think what you're doing amazing those GonNa ask you about. JV's but you sort of answered it then but I'll ask you about is native toddle full Australians water strategy and Magden strandings when I hit the wooden native title Metadata claim a holding what does that what does that mean if I were engaged on. I wanted to talk to mob about using they land. I WANNA put a Tom. Under what does that look like in real times out on. Alan saw you probably speak to Mr Tiny mcevoy. SC Strikes Bridesburg Soak Aboriginal Silk and is definitely the expert on on that but you know I certainly you get a high level. Ah We're toddlers recognized as there there may be required this requirement to talk to Tricia this morning to talk to the traditional so that the money companies can enter into a man instance land use agreements potentially or other other rights but signed a stint but boy moy my view is that redoubt surveys frameworks pity as long as you have the right the rod commercial understanding the raw traditional values and you have the right people at the table you can navigate within with outs outside of that note no toll framework and bring forth some wonderful opportunities for those communities and I think I think every once that HP's Rio Tinto's everyone wants that it's just a matter of having the right people in the right expertise on both sides of the title to bring that Opportunity full hundred percent. I think you know once we we come out of an in a way that is a reliance on Federal Commonwealth Commonwealth Government but once we realize as aboriginal people true sell self-determination where we go hang on. We've got talented brothers and sisters in law talented brothers and sisters in business talented brothers and sisters and other professional services want we leverage them bring them into country and worked this one on one with four to skew shell whoever were talking to have the benefit. That's what really excite me excites me when I get to travel around now. Darwin and Adelaide and talk about the different businesses is it's not so much how much money they're turning over what they're doing but it's who they're doing it with and it just prizes me you gotTa hold on. He's getting buses on transporting photo skew stuff like that stuff just like you said he can't write the script for that got old on pulling up in Boston's. I get on the young Fella. It's this like who would have thought that twenty thirty years ago though it's it's a wonderful time and it's only it's only going to grow and this. I believe the partnerships between the corporate world and and digital snakes which will grow. That's that's wonderful a wonderful thing excel. We've got senator why they yes. Mr One exciting times and we'll finish out with the future which ed now. I know you have a teacher's what Gimme a vision. GimMe a prophecy of what the future future looks like for aboriginal strands and countrymen and the islands around us. What is it like with a with. He's a white paper and we don't have to have the white paper but with a website developed northern Australia which lead to developments. It's in the south with len is seventy percent under some form of Aboriginal title where the Kimberley region which is ninety percent and help us understand other some form of title neither tunnel year and as I said has been declared as economic powerhouse of the future I see a future where business this nation will rise from the very desks that they shall shall we shall rebuild their communities and communities away shining light to this not just to this nation but all nations that there will be food bowl year in the north and in the spirit of oneness with aboriginal people in the leadership the others will bless the nations puts what I see. It's a blessing to others wrapping to each other. I wherever you want to look and see what did that what what looked to this nation and inside well what what just happened that nice and what did this nation there was try you change everything and that's a spirit of reconciliation at least the spirit of partnership at elites the spirit of love in this very exciting if might have added me back. That's for sure leave you on. Bill Nye said gathered. You meant like go night. You said we'll we'll. We'll one blood you very lohman but he he knew that all men were of one blood seventeen twenty six credit. All nations met at one to let them upset at the boundaries. They have -tection so we're all one brother more jobs to do as well as a team so thanks so much for coming on look forward to getting your one future and find find out what's been happening and hopefully some stuff that we'll be working on together in the future. Look forward to look forward to manner from touch bless you and and everything that you're doing as well. Thanks male talk. This come see about.
Foals On Writing in Pubs and Cycling Around Lakes
"This message comes from NPR sponsor rage wallet. The wallet that uses titanium and carbon fiber to keep your cards and cash safe. Each wallet is backed by a lifetime warranty. See how it works at ridge dot com slash NPR and get ten percent off with code NPR. Here. Listening to world cafe I'm tallish Langer today on the show. It's fools. They've been releasing stadium-sized songs for just over a decade. But this time around the changed up their process in pursuit of ultimate creative freedom on everything. Not safe will be lost out one. Foals produced the album themselves drummer, Jack Bevan's says the band work together in the studio to record the music, but then towards the end we conduct will just dispersed around Europe. And so of cycling around lakes and things and theft. The on this flip about two months by himself in dot bream. And in south east, London Yanez the lead singer and that dark room was the studio where during the day, Janice recorded the vocals at night. He spent time writing lyrics sometimes while drinking at the time. I felt like really worked for the lyrics. My general house looks much phonetics is great. This is false first album without Walter their longtime basis, you are going to hear Yenisei and Jack along with Edwin on keys and Jimmy on guitar on some live recordings. They did for world. Cafe starting with this one. It's exits. Well. Up sound now. Now. Well. Performing live at world cafe that is full with the song exits from their new album called everything not saved. We'll be lost. That was per one of two part album. The second part is coming out in the fall. Jack Bevan plays drums Yannis Filipacchi sings leads and plays guitar guys. Welcome to world cafe. A pleasure. So on this record of feels like you have really leaned hard into the the strange corners of your sound maybe gone a little bit weirder than I've heard from you before. I mean that as a compliment. Thanks. Yeah. I think we really wanted to just give ourselves some real freedom. And we were in the writing, and we didn't want to narrow down the the song structures perhaps in the way that we had on the previous record. So yeah, we just want us to kind of key allow the songs to to get weird. Like, you said and have some some strange structures and some stranger corners to them and some strange images to the first time that I heard the first song that we just listened to you guys play exits. I immediately thought of that scene in the movie labyrinth where the Jennifer Connelly character is like trying to save a baby and David Bowie is chasing her and there's stairs. And and I think it's based on the on Asher drawings to where like where where you don't know which direction is up like that's sort of the mind that that song puts me in is that what were you guys going for in the in the imagery of exits? Let's pretty much pretty much. It's funny said that she because Jackson over that clip from the as a reference fool the video. That's how that's guys nailed it. You nailed your reference. I was really clear. That's funny. Yeah. We'll tell me definitely as well. Yeah. Just when when we would in the song, just I'd often lack a visual image in mind for the for the two company, the the music, and it's usually set and some visual place, and for that one that just happened to be exactly what you're talking about. Like, a kind of strange. Slightly macabre, but also kind of beautiful subterranean place where web people living in order to kind of get away from the perils that they face above ground, which happened to be things, you know, alluding to the the real perils exist in the world. I want to talk a little bit about how the album got made. Because I understand that you guys meant to go into a studio for a couple of weeks just attracts him demos. And then you ended up spending like a year and a half working on this this giant body of of new material. So how does that happen? Well, I think on this record. I kind of I felt like for quite a while. I've kind of I had be nagging annus about about trying to at least stop making records. You know, using will just us and finding someone who can who can engineer it's and basically just trying to maintain as much control as possible. Also, having anti kind of take the helm of the production GT's, just kind of gave us a chance to get the record to sound exactly as it was in our heads without any kind of external influence coming in and changing in any way. What was that like for you sort of putting on the producer hat and taking the helm? I guess as Jack said, yeah, it was fun. I like I had some reluctance logic just about the workload. It will cement that. You know, we didn't buy not work with a producer. We did. Also, we didn't. Have that strain and tension between us and producer? We felt we feel really proud of it. Well, let's listen to an example of a really standout guess producing moment on the album. It's on the song Sunday, it sort of happens about three quarters of the way through and where we're the song takes on this whole other character, and it feels like like the room goes dark, and then everyone has like glow sticks. And all of a sudden, you're like drenched in sweat. And you're like, do you know that that whole thing? Tell me a little bit about the making of this of this song and the shift that you created that we're talking about. That kind of shifts kind of came out with just kind of excitement of playing this playing together in the room, the sort of chord sequence in the bad the song kennison Jimmy he'd been playing around with for a while we started playing together. And you know, we playing it in the way pretty similar to how it is. Now with the sort of slow kind of chef leap beats in the first half. And basically we kind of. I guess after we'd build built up to sort of climax. Just go excite and start paying down speed. And then Jimmy pedal on he has does this sort of that kind of sound, and it just felt really I felt really exciting. But also, it was it was one of those things where it we had to be really careful to to make it. Right. Make it right. Because if you know if you have someone that's the has that kind of vibe in it's it's it's quite like sort of intimate song. You don't want to just give me disco be in the middle for no reason, if it doesn't feel right so were pitfalls, I think. Yeah. But we felt that we got it. Right. I'm this this version. So when we talk about your workload. I guess as as producer of a lot of the live tracking that was happening in studio. I wanna know when when on earth you had time to write the lyrics for for all of this stuff because it sounds like such a a natural process of coming up with with the music together in the room. So when did the lyrics happen? The happened towards the end that's kind of generally how it worked. So I'll have I'll have a central image will have certain lines. The I know that the song will be about usually quite early on. But then I flashed the lyrics out fully to the end of the process certain in this album that was the wet worked. So we kind of got the music to really good place on all twenty tracks across the by threat codes, and then and I had vocal melodies and stuff. And then I had some time to myself in the studio for a couple of months, and I just worked on the vocals much at like every day just really worked vehicles for few months. And then and then once they would done the record was basically done. So sounds like sort of more of a solitary process to add add the lyrics into the mix afterwards is that what I'm hearing. I mean, I felt really bad. Because basically as soon as the the music was done as like. As a known lyric writing singing in the band. It's like, it's you want to be supportive, but it will say, you know, the NS needs to have space to do that by himself. So towards the end we kind of just dispersed around Europe. And so of cycling around lakes and things and lefty on this about teams by himself in that room. And and he's in south east London. No. I'm literally figuring you bicycling around lake and Yannis wrestling with these ideas about about a very sort of forboding state of affairs of the world. Like a lot of these lyrics are super super dark here. Like all by yourself. You're bandmates have ABS gone did. What can you characterize what that time was like? It was pretty full on. Because I definitely like I was saying I definitely need a need the spice to mind. Usually when I'm doing that are trying vehicles out and stuff. So it was dri. I had a pretty good rhythm. I would get up in the morning. I'd walk to the studios any ten minute walk from where we live and not work on a bunch of ideas, and then not to the pub off towards a mind, and I would drink alcohol, and I would write more lyrics, and then I try them out the next morning at down. And I just that was the rhythm that is in for for for a few months, and I felt like it really worked for the lyrics. My general health not so much for the great seriously. We're going to hear guys play another life song from the album. It's on the Luna doing anything that we should listen out for in in this song. Just the big nice lab. Ref unloads of cowbell. All right here, we go. This is falls live for ROY cafe. Buddha. Jacome? How? Up about it. Life arro- cafe that is foles with on the Luna from their new album, everything not saved will be lost part one. And I am talking to Jack Bevan who plays drums in the band and Yannis Philip Pakis who sings and please Qatar so foles as abandoned five albums in you guys, I think are in your early thirties, and you made your debut just over a decade ago. Does it get a little bit more difficult to go as hard as as time goes on like it's hard on your body? Yeah. I think probably a little bit harder than when we would twenty two whatever I find like on my voice, the the shows a hot, partly because there's like screaming and also stuff going on in the songs. But I think physically we feel like we're playing as well if other than we have before I actually think that like when I was twenty one I just was skinny I just didn't have the actual power in my homes to be able to play like for the length of time that we play live now. So that's good become a big beautiful. Sometimes I wonder how like you have to be. So you have to be show strong to play the drums at the volume that you do for the the length of time series. Do like dude train for it. Or can you go to the gym in tandem with that? Or is it just just muscle memory practice? What is it? Well, the end of towing the last album, I was finding gigs. We're getting ready heart. And I think that was because I'd become more and more unfit. I on the road because of the amount towing we'd done. So in the time that we took I was really I just wanted to be really serious about like making it much easier for myself this time, so actually got really into cycling. And that's only I think the best thing I've ever done for in terms of like drumming, fitness because I set myself a goal of going to France to try and cycle a found miles in a month. And I just went and did that and it was like, I know it's kind of one of the coolest things I've ever done, and since then I've kind of kept it up electoral bets, and it's just it's nice feeling really really like fit and able to do the job as best as you can. 'cause because. Yeah, it's it's like playing drums for phenomena half down forty five every night at the of velocity that we do actually. Do kind of it requires you to be at least semi fit, you know. Absolutely. Can you say a little bit more about cycling thousand miles over? The course of a month in France. Just what I mean, everyone I was crazy for doing it because I went out by myself. I go abbey and be in town by a lake at the bottom of the in in knit nece Whitson, but in sort of south southeast frowns, and I just sort of set my mom, six o'clock every morning and just went out and cycled around the lake clock free times, did you know like sort of seventy miles a day. And it was really good actually because we were in the process of Janice was sending me mixes, sending me like focal ideas and stuff and not listen to them in the morning, not gone these long rides. Unlike about free hours into a right like the maybe one of the tracks. I've been listening to the morning, we'll just pulp my head and not have like like. Really precise comments to to send back to Yannis. And sometimes I'd have to stop the bike and write it down, whatever. And it's like, I guess like it felt like I'd sort of tapped into sort of a deep level of thinking, which I've I've never really managed to do before it kind of felt like a meditative kind of head space. Well, well, this feels like a really great time to hear the last one that you guys are going to play for us because it is it is super Lennox song. And we can picture you cycling to it. And and it's cardiovascular if you wanna dance this this song is in in degrees. You wanna tell me anything about it before we hear it, maybe Yannis, I guess the the song feels like it's it's about disconnect. But it's also such a like a such a come together feel. Yeah. So. Yeah. Cut of was just based around that that runs mice of the way through it, which was written through a pedal. I bowl, and then I had this fr- phrase about in degrees in my mind for some reason. I come I told the original Dema in degrees straightway, and like you're saying like the idea of of the sung being about yet inability to communicate and dislocation disconnection, but but it being over don't strike that will bring sweaty heaving bodies together on the dance floor in a way where you will that will be, you know, proper human contact. In the experience of listening to that song. So it's one of favorites. Call. Well, let's let's get sweaty and have the whole band. Take us out on that song Yannis and Jack. Thank you so much for talking to me today. Thank you. Yeah. Absolutely. And here's here's foles with in degrees. Live at world. Cafe. Ways. In degrees that is from foles latest album, everything not safe will be lost part one which came out in March part two comes out in the fall. Thanks so much to the guys for the chat and for performing for us on the show, and thanks to our world cafe producer John Meyers for all his work on that session. I'm totally linger. And you are listening to the world cafe from NPR.
469 Teaser - Casino America
"I thought about that though. I thought what kinda show is. He gonna want on own amp because obviously the whole point will be for him to be on tv. And it's like yeah. He could do the thing. Where he's behind the set desks. That looks like the oval office or he could do rallies by realize there is already a job that exists that would be his dream job and it is talk show host like a late night host because thinking about though like there's a million late night shows and they're all hosted by blobs of soy spouting democratic propaganda all the time and that's that's absolutely a dramatic cannot not be a live and do that shit imagine as counter programming that same time when people are getting into bed. Old people getting into bed watch their stories. Fucking trump is in front of a crowd of slathering mega duck dip shits and he gets to do a bunch of jokes riffs. They wouldn't even give him a fucking monologue. You just you just about what. Yeah and then. What does he do. He gets to talk to celebrities. That is such a good idea. That is here's this. And here's the thing as an interviewer and just as a comedian. He's about a thousand times. Funnier than fucking fallon kimmel. I the only not comparable not comparable beings in terms of humor. It's not even close. I late of heaven. Are you out there are you there. God it's me will trump as host of the tonight show with be fucking and he he would he would enjoy it. It would be pergram. The apprentice job. He's ever had to go all the way back to casino. He gets to be a rothstein. Yes yes you always the shitty show. He challenged his fate. He'll be challenging. Like bruce or today and like said reuss committee. Yeah he'll be gentle murdoch or the county commissioner like. No you'll be. You'll be daring rupert murdoch to come on the show and debate him about the fox decision desk calling arizona. Right after. Interviewing frankie valli god. What a break future for him. You can ask me anything what. I've got nothing to hide. Donald trump was what president. United stance campers the world. He'll take you inside the real mar-a-lago like oh and can i love it. I i. I love the casino america. I mean it's the perfect movie that just like his describes like people coming together to build this gigantic like sprawling empire of fucking money and greed and then like the them all just fucking destroying it and it all just collapsing fucking down. But then the joke is. The casinos are still there still exists. People were ever wonder if you love it. this is. we're all frank marino. We are all joe. Pesci kid dickie bit. We're smart because we know not to put too much on your your. All frankie valli being interviewed saying that it was fun to fuck my wife to create all my kids. We're all we're all. We're other vegas metro. Pd fucking detective. Who coaches league. And he's got american kids out. They can't be trying to hit a home. Run every time you got to. This is this is your life america. We head in a vise to squeeze it. There's there's fucking over your head don't be a bad guy. Show you pop your head out of your fucking head for joey. B s all. A favor can kill me nira. We're getting married in near is calling us. She remembers how we looked on the first day she ever saw when we were fourteen like a wall. Mike like a wild colt. nira you. can you hear me. can you feel me. And you're in the pit of your stomach. Oh what a good country. We're still in the movie ever a good time in america. We're still number one guys number one baby number one. Well yeah. Let's it talk to you guys soon. Oh yeh in a new in a new good america. Yeah exactly or backseat. We're back to being the country broadcast. Live the next episode. Live from brunch. And you know what. Vincent bevan's said it but at the end of the day no matter what happens in the future nothing can ever change the fact that america is the country that elected donald trump. President it's amazing. Rolls it roll. So it's up to the bad. It's real something.
Tackling Health Inequality with Sir Michael Marmot
"Coming up on the healthy thinking social injustice is killing on a grand scale. These are not my words, but the words of the man chaired, the blood health organizations commission on the social determinants of. And that was an evidence based phrase who wasn't just slogan. That was based on the evidence and the urgency that I felt then and still professor. Mike Mahmut has dedicated over forty years of his career to understanding the causes of health inequalities and how social factors like where we live a standard medication or employment status of a huge impact on both our life expectancy, and our general. Now, what are the we want to do in Wales in Scotland and Northern Ireland and England? The background is things are getting worse. He served as president of both the British Medical Association and the World Medical association and also led a strategic review of health inequalities in England. We are part of the discrete, people that I never mentioned. I now talking the language of social determinants of health. He is not only a member of the Bevan commission, which I chat, but a close colleague, whom I have worked with over the years. In this interview we talk about his life's work and his hopes for the future. I describe myself as an evidence based optimist. It's the tyranny of the twenty four new cycle and makes us all. And I'm susceptible to I think we need to look at where we're hitting and way, we're hitting attention is for the better. This is healthy thinking from life sciences hub Wales a podcast series, bringing new perspectives from leading thinkers in health and care innovation. It's presented by professor. Some. Monsell. Aylward. So Michael has been holding a seminar in Cardiff attended by a wide range of stakeholders, so let's get a flavor of what he said at that seminar. One of the questions is, well, maybe we've reached peak life expectancy. It's got to slow down some time. So we looked across Europe two thousand six to two thousand and ten and five years later, twenty seven twenty fifteen and what you can see for all of these countries almost every country in Europe. There was a slowdown and there's the United Kingdom where bottom? So countries that had better health longer life expectancy than we did continue to improve. And we didn't that's not reaching peak life expectancy to something going on in the UK that's going wrong, whatever we want to do in Wales in Scotland and Northern Ireland and in England, the background is things getting worse after housing costs. Thirty seven percent of people are growing up in poverty. Housing's unaffordable thirty seven percent of people in poverty. I mean this is huge. This is not some tiny subset. We did a report on fuel poverty and called homes, a while ago when I was person into the British Medical Association. The chair of council looked at these findings for my report, and he said, I can't believe that growing up in a cold home is bad for achievement. Why? When I was a lad, we had ice on the inside of the window, and I said, Hamish, imagine what you might have achieved. If you've grown up in a warm house. In England seventy four percent of household income would be spent on food if they followed the healthy eating guide in Wales. It's sixty six percent and we're going to tell these mothers feed your children properly, eat healthily. Yeah, we'll pay the rent. Michael, welcome. Thank you. Can I take you back to that, quote from the whol report social injustice is killing on a grand scale? How did you come to that conclusion, I got involved in looking at inequalities in health and social determinants of health as a researcher? And I spent decades of my life doing research, and I published a lot of papers on that topic. What am I got involved with the W H O commission on social determined sip health? Increasingly I was aware that this wasn't an I'm doing air quotes now, only an intellectual research you. But the suffering that we were seeing was unnecessary. It didn't need to be that way. This is life expectancy, at age fifty women. Exactly. Life expectancies, getting worse for the poorest ten percent. It's getting worse for this second poorest ten percent. It's getting worse for the third poorest, ten percent for the bottom thirty percent life expectancy women's going down at age fifty and so looking around the world, we concluded that much of the inequalities within and between countries were buoyed -able by reasonable means and hence were unfair. And so I find that phrase social injustice is killing on a grand scale, and that was an evidence based phrase, who wasn't just a slogan that was based on the evidence, and the urgency that I felt then and still feel that we've got evidence and we need to put that evidence into practice. That was eleven years ago has anything moved on in regard to. Major advances in addressing. Social equities or indeed, you are proud to speak about there's much that I'm pleased, if not proud to speak about I was signed, because there is a danger of an infinite, regress, if you ask what happened as resulted WHO commission. I could say, well, the British government invited me to address the question of how could we apply your recommendations and conclusions of the global commission to one country England, and I produced my strategic review of health inequalities the Mahmut review, fair society, healthy lives. So. I answered your question is, well, did anybody take the WHO commission seriously? Yes. The government in London took it, seriously, and commissioning issue review. Then you say I'll come on Michael. You're too far into this committee business, you, you think evidence of progress. Over a port is another report. What about evidence on the ground? Well, I can talk about mama cities. The fact that the English city of Coventry said, we're going to do this. Okay. Michael, now, that's what I mean, by an infinite regress, you did the global commission, then you did the national thing. But that's not progress. There's just writing another report and then Coventry, just in a way, did another set of reports what's going on. Well Coventry's now evaluating what's happened? And they tell me they've shown me some indicators, that I'm moving in the right direction. Now it's a bit sluggish to get reductions in health inequalities, and there's a lot of other things driving. It not just where the people act on my reports, I'm told that I am a brand name in Sweden. The Swedish city of mama took it on. Set up a commission on first socially, sustainable Mahmoud based on my WHO commission report, Gothenburg, did it Lynch, pin and nurture us soon. I'm told that there are six cities and regions in Sweden that have done, quote, Mahmut reviews. We look at the commission. I'm currently chairing in the Americas for the pan-american Health Organization, which followed a similar European review. So region sip WHO said, we want to know how we can apply the findings and recommendations of you'll blow commission our region. So we did a re European review of social determinants in health debate. We're now doing this commission of the pan-american Health Organization on equity and health inequalities in the Americas. So we're on the agenda and there's not a one to one relationship. Between producing a report and seeing change or even producing report, seeing policies and seeing change. But we are part of the discourse people that I never imagined. I now talking the language of social determinants of health and that clearly is a result of about two thousand and eight me choke commission report. And what's your take on? What is happening in Wales in that regard? Wales's always struck me as. A conundrum. The hill statistics in wells, look dreadful. Always had lower life expectancy than England. With the recent slowdown of life expectancy in England is ground to a halt in Wales is declining. The inequalities are getting bigger in life expectancy, and healthy life expectancy. So it looks dreadful the people I talked to him whales a terrific. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong people. But the people I talked to terrific they had no difficulty in understanding the importance of social determinants of health, the importance of cross government action. So it's a conundrum the actual hells picture, does not look good. But there's a lot of committed people in Wales who I think a ready and willing to act, therefore, what needs to be done. And I'm wondering other any strategies that can help reduce health inequality, which we could work on haunt man. So you. You and I met mcraven the this morning, that this minister and. He gets this in spades. I learnt more from him than he learned from me. No question. So no difficulty in getting in Wales the head of the government involved, and that's key, because it needs the commitment of the health minister, but it needs the commitment of the first minister if you're gonna get cross government action, but then we need to get communities engaged. We don't want to do things to them. We won't communities engaged. We want to create the tools to improve health and wellbeing for communities and that means all the different actors it meets government means health boards, education, community services and the community themselves. You're updating the Mahmut review into health inequalities at said in England next year. Can you give us any previews you may not be able to understand that, but can you give us any pre previews of what that's likely to look like? Well, the background is the slowdown in life expectancy in England and the increase in enquiries. So that's an important part of the background. I'm quite keen that we try and get what evidence we can on. What's happened in my six to means of recommendations? And based on consultations with stakeholders and with our advisory committee. We gain too. I think the jargon phrase is do a deep dive. I'm quite sure what a shallow dive, but we're going to look in more depth at early childhood and education on work and income, linked and on housing and community and place. So those three areas and they were all in my original six, but we're going to spend more detail than I talked to bid about my concern with housing this morning. And how housing is intimately related with income with place. And several of the other things that we talk about. So I can't tell you. I'm not holding anything back, but based on now consultation, those three areas emerged, and we will be looking hot over the next months at what's happened based upon your experiences. Today's on their many and you're a well-known. I regard it a democ- person in this area. How optimistic are you about the future in regard to addressing this major challenge? Well, I describe myself as an evidence based optimist, I'm. Conscious that Hans Roseling in his posthumously published book fact fondness said he's not an optimist. He's an evidence-based possible list. Okay. That's a nice way of putting it. So an optimist, I suppose, is somebody who actually thinks things are going to get better. A possible list, I suppose means somebody who recognizes that they can get better and that rather than say, well, we think they are going to get better. We'll just sit back and wait for it to happen. Let's say we know they can get better. Let's all work hard to make sure that happens. And I see positive movement. I mean, the fact in the United States people don't talk about health now. Without also talking about social determinants of health, it used to be that the only discussion when people talked about Hilton US was. About healthcare and health insurance. A new Ford -able characte. But now at the same time the talking about social determinants of health. They may not be doing much about it at national level. But the drink quite a lot about it in many cities around the country, and that makes me optimistic. The fact that I was invited by the director of the pan-american Health Organization to chair this commission on equity in health inequalities in the Americas. And we hope that will be quite a lot of activity in promoting up about report makes me optimistic. I think we can make progress, so rather than focus on Trump and Brexit, and or band, and they are all right in Germany. And these are all things that are very important. I'm not minimizing them. But if we spend all our time looking at those it, it's the tyranny of the. Twenty four hour news cycle that makes us all depressed. And I'm susceptible to it. I think we need to look at where we're heading and way, we're heading potentially is for the better. I think that your life. What you've done what you think will happen in the future. Despite all the reservations, that could be that you've made me optimist. So I share my optimism with you. Thank you. So Michael, your last common makes my trip to Wales worthwhile in and of itself. Jocelyn. You can get more information on everything discussed in the sets out by going to the show notes, which you find that LS hub Wales dot com slash podcast. And to get the latest episodes for free downloaded straight to your phone when they're ready. Click subscribe on your favorite podcast app, healthy thinking was presented by professors. Some monthsl Aylward. It's brought to you by life sciences hub, Wales and produced by Bengal media.
Caroline B. Cooney's Night School
"Assignment terror. This week on the podcast Caroline Kunis night school. Welcome. TO TEEN CREEPS THE PODCAST that discusses why a pulp fiction I'm one of your host Lindsay. K. Die I'm another one of your house Kelly nugent and today. We are talking about caroline be Kunis Night School and the assignment is terror. Doesn't lie no dozen lives quite literally the assignment. Yeah. So. Okay, I wanna read the back of the yards of where we get to lost in the weeds on because this is a very like amorphous book. Okay. Mariah not sure why she signed up for the mysterious night class. The notice on the board gives no clue as to the subject but something composer to add her name to the list only three other people have signed up. So it's a very select class, but then the subject requires special skill and attention for they are all learning the art of fear and their teacher demands results, but there's no easy way to make the grade in terror. I mean, okay. I'm fascinated because cheers the back of the book for the. Like truly just like scanned. Okay. Copy and open library. Okay I. Didn't make. It so confusing. All right. So the second log line, there are no graduates from this school ever the announcement hangs in the center of the huge bulletin board at school the printing creeps and drapes down the page and seems to Mariah to glow with fingerprints evil crested worlds of dark plans and sick thoughts. Night Class. The announcement reads if she'd known what the class would be like she would never have signed up because it is a class like no other a class teaches terror mariah wishes she could escape, but it's too late but class is closed and Mariah is trapped forever. Okay I mean this is not the mood of the of the story at all it now. And I like. It. It really is like that is how the classes introduced like she looks at it and there's like dripping taxed. Scares the shit out of her and I was like I don't even understand with his. Loan like what's going on? I. Let me see if I can find that section real quick before we get into. I guess that's just the direct quote before we get into talking about it further. So. Andrew Todd pointed to a single piece of paper carefully centered on the huge bulletin board as if somebody had gone to the trouble of measuring right down to the quarter inch, the announcement was in black icicle hung printing from some strange computer fund crept and stripped down the page. It was an eerie creepy announcement and seemed to Mariah's is to glow with fingerprints evil crested worlds of plans and sick thoughts night class. Night Class said Andrew and it seemed to Mariah that his voice turned tonight. Also there's voice grew dark and shadowy lick the letters on the board. Like I don't know I truly don't know what this now to her I know is it written in like Halloween Font and she's like Halloween for us. Yeah. It's like written like creeper or whatever don't understand the glowing with fingerprints and then she looked back at it and it seems totally normal. Yeah, there's a lot in this book that. Seems to defy all physics and reality. Yes and Mariah's like Weird. They're all like I don't like you said, it seems to defy physics and. And is never described enough to where I have any. What things look Nice. Fully what is going on and yeah, I like Kuni also wrote. The fog. Yes. Trilogy and we only read fog with. Jalen this. Yeah and We were also very confused by what was going on that it was just like sucking the spirit out of yeah. And we were like how and what, and what that guy in all Brown. Alan. Zoo Yes, and it never explains and so. She's clearly. Caroline B Cooney. She's concerned. With the state of Teenage Life Right. She's concerned that their spirits are being drained and she's concerned about bullying. She's concerned about bullying. She's not concerned about details. No, and she's not concerned about the connection between horror and bullying. I in the end I mike. I, know what you're going for one hundred percent That's clear. Enough I just don't understand how you think this gets it that because it is just so fucking vague. Like, okay. So also. I I. Get this. She wanted to make. Mariah. Lake relatable. Yes. Because Mariah's got this lake really intense crush, but it's not just a crush. She is like an intense inter. Inner fantasy world which in which like she's literally talking to and imagining that Andrew She's fully scripting relation. Yes. Andrew, and a relationship with. The. Girl. Group. Oh I love how that was phrased. Actually I really liked the stuff about Mariah's fantasy world. Felt that way. Here's the thing. This book was crazy and I never knew what was happening, but I did really like it. Yeah I really liked it too I. Just Yeah. I might critique is that it was just like so vague what was going on or who that teacher was, but my God, the classroom scenes were Hilarious I. was like they stopped into to avoid space. Yeah. They step into this void space and their teacher is like the fucking. WHO's the monster at the end of Candy? Land. The One thing I've seen that. Okay. No, no no. Not The Middle Board game. Yeah. He's got man. Katie Candy Glueck some Luke loop, right, glue ear candy maybe just. Let me see no way candy, land? Yeah I think loopy gloppy gloppy. Okay. So the teachers fucking gloppy. Andy when Kenya was fine. Wait on this where we talking about on was on this show that we were talking about the different hotness of the different Oh we were. Yeah. Can't people yeah and then they've since changed it and I'm like, no, go back to. Classic ideas of female beauty. Pleased because that's what I was race starting at. All did this to me so I also like that like Lord liquorice definitely seemed like he was like into some like dub con stuff flake. Okay. So gloppy teachers like gloppy literally like is like. A figure that she cannot understand or comprehend, and like speaks Pathak too them. They leave their bodies they become shadows they but then they're also not shadows because they can touch things. And they have to and I loved the use the like four no reason use of acronym of being like you need to find. Easily terrified or what were they I? The first what is unique to choose an SC but like the word choice is part of the acronym. Yeah. You need to choose a schedule shoes a skirt choice the ATM. Machine yes exactly. And they're all like Oh my God. My Marine One whereas I would be like, why are we calling it? Billy. Why are we calling it that and also? I don't know it seems like if I don't, she's it. Everything's fine. What are you GonNa do to me like with Mariah? It's I'm GONNA reveal your crushes and you WanNa be friends with autumn and I know if I'm being faced with a choice, a body listening demon man in black void where all of a sudden I can read thoughts. I think I'll just go for the reveal of my crush and that I wanna be friends with a person. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I guess the extent of her crush is creepy like I'm just imagining like someone being like I have a crush on you and then me being like. Oh Wow thank you be like no you don't understand like you are with me at all times. We have conversations we have. Fights we get back together we like to all. You've died in a car accident. Yes. Yes. I was thinking of our remembering me episode where you said that you imagine going to your crushes. Like sit by the mirror crying. I think Mariah. That's the thing is I was like I. Don't know I do this and I do understand. Like why she's afraid and mortified. But also, how is this evil body Lewis teacher going to convey that to Andrew to the point where he is truly afraid. Like he's going to be like, Oh, I'm flattered and body was teachers going to be like, no no, no. Okay. So Okay. All right. All right. All right. Let me put this in context. Okay I. Guess. I'll just Alright. How do I? Okay here. Okay. Okay. Still like she goes horseback riding way okay. Actually should. O.. owner. No it's when she goes horseback riding. You're not. She's not crushing. Okay. All right. So All right. So She has like fake. Okay. You know how you like imagine conversations with people and he's like, yeah, I do that all the time and he's like everybody does that all the time? Okay. All right. So Okay. Like. Okay. Okay. So conversations are things that happen between two people actually. Okay. Let me go about people were evolved from. Different species of like humanoid type things at two X. Okay. I need to go. That's maybe further. Get something. Okay. So like the environment happen no, that's okay. Okay. All. Right. So you know how people have imagination. Okay. You know the song imagine by John Lennon Way okay. And piece. Are you know? Okay All right. So you know Willie Wonka. So it's like. All right. So imagine if the chocolate factory was. Had and she was willy. Wonka. And you were Charlie Bucket. It's like that. And he's like way what and they're like classes ask. Salt Evil has been too confused to try to make them like Spook Minster Phillips Oh, my library I don't understand. I, liked here's here's the things that I liked. I liked the twist that like the scare choice was not like who Who they choose to scare, but rather the choice to scare someone else I liked that too I liked that and I also liked the realization that like, oh, we when we were thinking about like easily terrified people were thinking of all these weak people in our lives. But really like we're that, that's US until I get key. That mapping kind of bullying. Yes. I was just about to say it is a good. Metaphor for why people bully it is either be bullied or do the bullying, right? It was just it was just the teacher and the team. Was Weird it was like essentially like, okay. Go into a dark room, turn off the light and then go. ooh. Yeah now is the extent of the tournament. Eighteen. Grapes listeners Kelly here if you're still using one of the big wireless providers this year have you asked yourself what you're paying for between. Retail stores inflated prices and hidden fees you're being taken advantage of they know you'll pay answer mint mobile mobile provides the same premium network coverage you're used to but at a fraction of the cost because everything is online, mobile saves on retail locations and overhead, and then passes those savings directly on to yeah. I, Love Mint mobile cream about mobile to everybody. I know I got my mom mobile. I got my sister on mobile. 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SLASH TEEN CREEPS THAT'S MEANT MOBILE DOT com slash teen creeps cut your wireless build on a fifteen bucks a month at many mobile dot. COM SLASH TEEN? Creeps. Hey Everybody Michelle again, telling you about my brand new late night podcasts midnight snack right here on forever dodd as promised. Here's a sneak peek of my most recent episode with Quiz Tan France. If you want to listen to the full interview and I really suggest that you do along with all of the other amazing guests we've had so far be sure to subscribe to midnight snack on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Are Certain that really hard to say with an English accent that you guys have caused one of them coir core and the names. of My friend who I adore called her daughter moored. In. American. It sounds really easy mar like however you say it in. English, you ha you sound like a pompous Dick Award but there's no easy way of Saghir. First of all, it's not doesn't sound great in the American accent either. Models I mean I say this as a six one big boned woman maude was a famed be Arthur character the name Maud to me it's like it's like the name of an old. incontinent woman I'm sure she's a lovely little girl. So sometimes, I love in an older lady name on a cool young person it know who do you know more apt out how? Out here, you're talking about because I was least supercooled and she loved that but it's just the word itself is hard to say and I really want to say, can I call you something else I'm just laughing because when you said any mon- and I was about to dig my heels and talk about how much I hate that name I was like there's literally no MoD who can make or break my comedy career and then when you shut appetizers. People's comedy Korean, his documents. Hey forever dog listeners it's Michelle Collins here. You may know me from my Sirius Xm show the Michelle Collins show or from one of my many cancel TV appearances and guess what I have an awesome late night podcast called midnight snack right here on the forever dog podcast network. So every Tuesday and Thursday I'm giving you my take on current events pop culture but just mainly, things are really get to me over the weekend just the little things in life that you don't even want to think about. Well, guess what I think about him. And I talk about it plus an interview, some of your favorite celebrities and personalities like the Emmy. Nominated Co buyer, podcastone, comedian, Bryan Safi, and Glee Star Newell just with you. If you want a sneak peek, here's the good news during today's break I'm going to play you a clip from an interview with clear is own Tan France subscribe now to midnight snack with Michelle Collins on Apple podcasts where we were just need a new and noteworthy podcast spotify or wherever you get your podcasts and I just cannot wait to talk to you guys soon. And then like them being like over no longer in our bodies anymore. So we can all like telepathically communicate. And we're shadows. Sort of or were you sort of delighted by what happened when they all tell a Pathak Louis communicate where autumn was like I'm going to be my own person and then the others were like that's great. Good for you. Yeah. I love how supportive they were. It was an odd I was shipping them as a friend group like I, hard I was. I was like language. And they're like growing and yet they have friends now. Yes. They're defending each other yes. It was very sweet I. Loved IT I. Love, director it's really coming. It's really just the teacher character when I was. Yeah, that was and I literally when I finished the story I was like, wow, I loved these characters. Yeah. I liked the connection between them all like. So the the popular girl group that Mariah is desperate to be a part of is Julie Bruck Autumn Danielle and the one most wants to be like is autumn. An autumn is the word who wants to get away from the group. So she joins the night class Mariah joins the night class because she sees Andrew sign up Andrew signs up because he sort of like is an overachiever like compulsive pathological overachiever but really he wants to like be able to hide in their shadows and just watch people ned doesn't have any friends that's why he signs up. Julie the meanest of the Julie Bruck Autumn Sanyo Dude I stand Julie me to love Julie's who I was so sad for Julie Julie Admires Mariah because she seems like A the`real and like living in her own world and mysterious and Julie like sort of admires her mysterious qualities. WHO's the best friend of Mariah WHO's? Ever one everyone fucking love sal everyone wants to be sal because she's so self possessed everybody wants to be Tommy because he so self said asked and silent Tommy are just kind of like their own thing. They're just don't really figure in the book beyond being life goals. Yeah and like untouchable by the by the scare group. Yeah because there are no, they're so self possessed that they would just shake off whatever like. Victimized imagination yeah. Afraid of the dark thing that everybody else has and poor bevin elbows and so upset for Bevin. Yummy to but as Mariah's little brother who is just like hard bullied to the point where he is suicidal yes. Really Likes Harvey came together. I was like when the all became a friend group, all of them I was like. Oh, my God way only when the thing that saved Julie from being even next victim. And Evil was Bevan accident like just desperate and looking for his sister because he was like at the end of his rope. And he just is like I don't know maybe she'd be at this girl's house because she seems to have more friendly and randomly calls Julie even though Julian Mariah are not friends and he laughed. Is Everything in this sort of like Fugu state. Of Depression. And Julie's in the midst of being scared by the other kids of by Mariah. Andrew Ned and autumn. And she just like totally ignores eight and leaves to go. Like sit with Bevan to make sure he doesn't hurt himself. She literally like goes to hear him out instantly. Fuck I need to go save this kid and she she's like your my lifeline to being are kinder person you're saving me I'm saving you saving them by not being afraid and finally like ending my bullying like they can't bully me because I'm not a bully anymore. Yeah they all just sort of save each other in this like interconnected web of like very relatable character. Yes. I also love the moment where. Like we literally just left my head and my okay. Are you do I need to rush over there Julie Style Oh. A similar thing. So when Bevan is like. Like so Mariah is so wrapped up in her new class, right so it's this class of her and and Adam Enter Andrew and Ned and autumn where their their assignments by the teacher to find week people to like torment and so she's like Shit Bev is going to be someone that they're going to try and like target. So she's obsessed about it obsessed about it and she comes home. And she's so even that right like. So self centered like so like in her own world, she sees that like Bevan's. Bevin has destroyed the Dan in like. Help. Do they share a bedroom. And she says while she's cleaning up, she's like, oh there's like nothing our shared room that is Bevan's they're all my trophies, my photos, my this my that. So she comes home and she's like Oh my God like they. They somehow did find him and they tormented him and that's why like all this stuff is destroyed. And so she's like in her and she's like Oh God and like trying to clean it up. and. So she is like, how like how does all of this? Like how do I figure it all of this instead of just being like is Bevan okay. And then we go into Bevan's mind and Bevan's just like what the fuck like I I'm the only person in here. Of course. I. Did this like well as afraid of. I didn't interpret it that way I thought that she was like, fuck I have to clean this up or the. Teacher is going to view him as week so I have to clean up from his I have to. Clean all this up so that he doesn't see how weak. Bev is because she thinks that possibly somebody was already there to scare him and that's what happened to the. Yeah. That's what I'm saying Bevin interprets dot as she doesn't see me and she interprets that as I have to protect Bevin from being scared. Right, I think the the metaphor that's the metaphor and the real thing is like just put on a happy face Bevin, right? Right yeah. We'll like 'cause 'cause I think she thought that exactly that like what you said that that someone had been there to scare him and that's why all that crap is like on the floor true in about. Yeah. And so like for her she's like she's trying to think of it as like. How can I help Bevan but not really thinking like how how does Bevin need to be helped? Yes. Sure. In a way that like you know most people think about like how to help somebody they're like, how can I help them rather than what does this person need? Yeah, and so like she's like fuck, Anita clean on this up and he thinks, oh, she's trying to clean it up so that dad doesn't see. Yeah and like. Of course, she thinks I'm weak and she's just trying to put push me under the rug. Yeah and so like I loved that that moment of like seeing what she's thinking Oscar on board right like being like, oh. Yum. Maybe someone did like common scare. Bevan. Yes like they're both right. There both because they're not communicating yeah I'm not getting fixed I loved I loved that reveal of Bevan being like no I did that what the does she think is happening like, yeah I loved that the mundane world was still occurring. This Magic stuff was happening That was cool. Yeah. I think. This book would have been like. A plus. If they teach teacher, she hadn't been so vague and confusing. Yeah. I didn't understand the teacher stuff. I was glad that it wasn't just like straight pattern where they just kept doing it and kept doing it and then they realize. It was really just the one scare and then for their next scare they try Julian it doesn't happen 'cause she leaves to save. Bevan. Yeah I liked that I say how to try a couple of times with Julie too. Yeah. I just I don't understand. And I I like the metaphor of it's like I made friends with a new group and we're and like they're bullies and we're all feeding one another bully tendencies I liked absolutely everything about it except for I was so confused. Yeah. I was very confused about where people were what they looked like I'll read the thing. Yeah. Please let people understand truly how like amorphous everything yeah. Okay. So it's like they all are described because they'd like don't they're all like so focused on themselves that they don't notice they're all passing Mike some sort of threshold into this classroom. For Real Place. So they all walk in with him, said the instructor, the room was very dark darkness crawled under Mariah skin like slugs under dead leaves Darkness Shifted Position Inside hurt a colony of poisonous insects, building nests. She's not want to be welcome here. She did not want to be the kind of person that the instructor would be glad to see not that Mariah could see she could not even see Andrew the four of them had blended into the dark like furniture in unused rooms Brian thought seemed even more unreal than usual as if her own brain just replayed tapes of itself, I no longer exist thought Mariah I'm just the imprint of myself. Andrew felt like the negatives of photographs he was not a real person but a future picture of one right now he was frosty and gleaming where he ought to be dark and dark where he ought to be color. He held the camcorder in his lap but did not try to focus. He couldn't even focus his mind right now never mind to film. His utter delight with his discovery in the car Blah Blah. Blah he realized who wanted to be. Lab. CARE, operator maker. And he was neutral. This is good. Thought Andrew Todd Our reporter must always be neutral. The have no emotion at all is good. This is just the kind of night class I need. This four students were visible in a moonlight way grey and black silhouettes. It was romantic thought autumn sort of like opening Valentine and dark whatever that means not so much night class as dusk class autumn could hardly even see the instructor he she or possibly it stood before them like darker dark a more knowing experienced dark autumn warning to make it the class chair go dark. Here were Arno without any. There were about four chairs in the room and no desks. So there had been few choices in seating of of our Roy straight across bubba about their like. Autumn can make out their profiles. The instructors voice was deeply appealing, rich and warm and velvet like the night through which she had passed. tonight she felt liquid in the instructors presence. Cool. Water in a vase waiting to be used. Autumn, felt that the dark was snuggling up to her, she could not quite see the restroom more but this is. Not Matter He's like giving up the instructor gives a talk about holly basically, the human nature is dark. Dr Dark. Warmth left the instructors voice Harare in chilled like meet the voice seemed to bleed on top of autumn's head. She hated the thought she tried to scour it out of her mind but shadows obscured her mind from itself. Boa SC couldn't even see the hands on her lap. She nodded her fingers together and nothing happened. She had no fingers no substance. I, mean I guess. Leaving like they walk in and they. Like. have an out of body experience. Yeah I mean I. Guess It's like this weird collective dream type thing and yeah they are like all out of their bodies I just if that's the case right? Like it's I suspected as right that. Tension, very confusing and like. To My Imagery, why you'll leaving images I just feel like if at the you know just one line after the experience there like like Mariah thinks herself like Oh that felt like a dream or something you know but instead they're just like Well. Now, we're here. They're like that was weird and I don't want to go back in there because it's scary but they never like fully call out how strange it was 'cause it's unlike any other state of being they've ever had here and it's just. I just don't understand, and in the end I I like that it's they realize they can make the choice. I like that I'm just not GonNa do this. You can't make me do this I met. It's a it's sad because Andrew decides he likes it yeah and it's like a He's lost a ends on him being like, no, I'm I'm gonNA choose it still. Yeah. But while it's happening, I wish third I wish the descriptions hadn't made me think that from the beginning. Why are they doing this? Yeah. I I I like that you mentioned You know him a Andrew you said. Is the one who like decides to go fully dark side. and. I really liked that because you know for many reasons like I liked that he was the one who seems to have the most out of everybody like he's very popular he's very cool and I think it's that thing of like you know in Buffy the vampire slayer, how they talk about like vampires because they can't die or because they're immortal fear death that above all So he has all this stuff to lose and he's kind of like, Oh, I'm I'm choosing like he appears to be the one who doesn't really need the night school group but then in the end turns out, he needs it the most. Like I liked that and I liked I liked the moments that each person does get saved too because like he doesn't really have tether. He Nia most but he doesn't need the other kids whereas the other kids need each other. Yeah. That's true. So like like Ned falls in love with autumn. Autumn, like realizes the value in like Julie and Mariah Mariah needs. Bevin. Julia Deans Bevin Bevin needs them Yan Andrews just like he's self possessed without knowing himself. Yeah. Like all he knows his his ambition, which isn't a personality. Yeah. And I liked the description, I'll read the the end where Andrew Light Yeah. Yeah. Falls if that's okay do. Autumn had been right. There would always always be a moment of choice choice between kindness or cruelty between entertaining oneself or others for a moment. Andrew was very angry. You should be able to make one single choice and be done with it. Not have this constant nagging at the bottom of your soul Andrew lucked out at the bottom of his soul. How great was the appeal of darkness? How quickly the smoke of evil swirled up when you thought choice Andrew lifted the camcorder and hugged to his heart the thought of future films and parties warmed him. He tried to run to his car shadows deepened around him. Head Up to the others thought Andrew Dimly get with. Ottoman. Ned Fine Mariah and Julian Bevan. Stumble, whispered the instructor and join the dark? Andrew stumbled. I love that last line and our stumbled A. I mean that and then I loved to like. The thing that Carolina be Kunis always good at and we've felt as about all of her stuff is like. Having. Characters that feel so alive and like your heart breaks for them because when Andrew Stumbles I was like Shit Yeah I was sad for him I wasn't. It wasn't like very typical like handsome. Jock guy. No he he had an emotional. Like inner world and all the characters were very distinct from yet another like they were stereotypes but the stereotype was a jumping off point. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess I mean it may have been extremely intentional for us still like feel confused and lost because that's how the characters were feeling and it must have been like such a metaphor for losing yourself in that energy. Yeah. That while reading it, I was like Oh what's going on? Yeah Yeah. So it's both Sorry I my mic is both a strength and a weakness maybe Yeah, I mean I feel like it does have us experience what those kids were experiencing and I feel like it also. Kind of really captures the confusion that you have when you're a kid like I was just picturing like when I was like fifteen. You know in those like nighttime thoughts that you have as you're falling asleep where you're like like you're trying to figure out who the fuck you are and you're like I don't know like is there a self like I don't know? Is there something that makes me special from other people I don't know because like what is me? It's like first time that you're really really like understanding that you are a separate entity from others I, guess. I also really liked the moment that Mariah get saved. Because she. So like a Bevan and Julie come to where the the like four classmates are hanging out and getting pizza and Julie's like Bevin you need to tell your sister what just happened and he's like, I, don't want to and she's like. I'M I tried to get my ass over there to like walking I, was. Both in total agreement with Rulli and also like Julie, what are you doing like Julie? Why don't we just take her aside yet? We just take her aside. So. Sorry. going. So then Bevan's like fine and the Julian Bevan tell. Mariah. And the rest of the group which I don't think necessarily had to happen. that Bevan attempted to kill himself and had reached out to Julie to try and help him and she did she stopped him. And then Mariah, in that moment is like fuck I have been like. Trying to figure out what I could do for you to protect you when all I had to do was fucking talk to you like your problem was that nobody fucking talks to you. Yeah, and I was like running around trying to make sure that nobody punished you because no one talks to you instead of just solving the problem of talking to you. Yeah. So I love that moment for for Mariah's while when she's like Shit and she's like, all right you know what guys like I don't fucking need to go to this class anymore by yeah yeah, I love that. It says it was Julie who had seen in listened who had run fast enough to save Julie, who Mariah and Ned an Ottoman Andrew had specifically chosen and marked out and stocked Julie. Drove. Beveren and Mariah home. So they tell their parents we can't tell mom and Dad said Bevan horrified dad will be furious. He doesn't want me to be this kind of person abet he wants you alive though said, Julia quietly I. Bet he rather have you rescued lose you I love that Gabby rescued than like Carolyn meetings he's also really good at those like one liners. One. Sentence things where it's like, aw like really gets at the heart of the matter. Yeah. Yeah. Because like that and he stumbled is like really really punchy like really powerful. Yeah and I can see this book getting through to people struggling. Yes. because. It does sort of gem about suicide and apparently like there was an uptick in people calling the suicide hotline. Really. Yeah. So it's like it doesn't take. It just takes something from the outside. Yeah. Reaching out in a small way we'll because the other thing that I think that this did it re this book? Did it really? Well, some other shows do it, which is like Kinda Bullshit. Where were they? They don't do it well. this book. Did it really well in the thing I'm talking about is. 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A rich fantasy world that she hides from other people's she's so used to hiding her other people that she's able to keep. The instructor out so that he doesn't get Bevan's name. Yeah. Yeah. So what happens instead is she offers up Mr Phillips is like pathetic substitute teacher who they happen to see grading quizzes in the library. To when they see him, she thinks to herself That's GONNA be Bevan Ghia. So Sad. So the instructors like thank you Mariah for supplying tonight's scare choice. Blood didn't WANNA do it but Bevan who safe this is in Mariah's have. So they like. In their having their out of body experience still but their bodies are in the room they just don't realize it. They sort of think that they're ghosts. But they are not The scare choice sensed something. He shuffled two papers for no reason except to occupy his fingers, he looked out of the corner of as is without moving his head. A little twitch appeared in his cheek Andrew squinted into his camera, how metal and plastic could pass through a plaster wall fascinated andrew the class had not existed as they pass through the walls of the library and surrounded the SC, and yet the camcorder did exist and somehow it had also moved to the wall. The shadows he filmed seemed to have body not merely light deflection. Andrew wondered how much would actually show up on the film he circled the SEC for a better angle, the SEC. The held himself very still trying to analyze the change in the atmosphere around him. It was an interesting reaction very primitive. Like a white rapid freezing in the snow to hide Andrew focused and then and now the thin nervous facial features of the SC appeared right in the little cross hatch short of. That aiming are Alabama Route. So he's like his eyes darting around he's breathing heavier. He stole grading papers trying to look normal, but although light fighter flight responses are happening in his body. so autumn can tell. She was comfortable in tight group had been part of a tight group for a long long time. She liked the spread of groups the way you were included in the action yet excluded from the blame. If she let the SE's name, enter her mind if she pictured his actual function if she remembered him failing in front of a class, she felt sorry for him. But his SC. He was merely a set of initials. He wasn't somebody. He didn't matter Andrew Zooms in nothing's happening yet just like bringing such an atmosphere and he can sense them that he scared. Yeah, they're all circling him. Like pushes papers on the floor and yeah. So the instructor turn to page in a book, it was a distinctive sound paper against paper only fingers leaving pages could have made that sound but the was the only person there. USC gasped a little and world to see who had turned that page. Oh. Re The instructor Evil Charter Not Mr Phillips. I got confused for a second. But of course, nobody had the library remained empty silence gathered the twitched. The instructor coughed the SC leapt to his feet stumbling twice in a circle struggling to catch a glimpse of who was behind him coughing of course, nobody was behind him. Nobody was in front of him either he braced trembling fingertips against the table Rim and looked back and forth. So often, and so quickly, he must've gotten dizzy from it. Shadows Swirling Cherish scraped. He's terrified. Andrews Review David Mariah thought of the time she'd been alone in the Of frayed listening, to creeks picturing the danger. A autumn is like sort of hoping that. This will actually just lied to him realizing he shouldn't be a teacher and getting a better job and. Stronger for it. Yeah. but he's not getting tougher. He's getting weaker. she's getting disappointed. Why are you putting up a fight and she starts thinking like well, if he was such a weakling, he deserved it he wants to help. There is this kind of like pretty accurate feeling of like when when someone is bullying another person and they get angry at them for a leading like the bullying, how could you let me be this evil you know what? I mean why are standing up to me all you have to do stand up to me and this wouldn't be happening. Mariah's like holding your breath. So she lets it out. the Esi like stairs where Mariah and horror because there's nothing there. Indra clicked his tongue and appreciation he said that. he reaches or Far Wall on which the Bank of light switches lay. He did not make a shadow reached it. I S extinguishing only existing light autumn shadow. When the lights go out, he runs into a stack of books Andrew Pushes Book Office Shelf that scares him se banks into a wall. He cries out please like comes back on he'd like. backed up against a wall and fear a single light came from Andrews can't quarter cameras suspended in mid air filming without human hands and without robotic fingers he lets out a scream abandoned his papers and runs. And then the instructors like all hide the papers and he'll get fired. Yeah and that's the end and I'm like really. I. The thing that I liked that came out of that. was. Andrew like goes. So I see like here's okay that this teacher. Because Anderson Shit that's my teacher I see my name on that paper, right? And he is like. Okay he he comes across next finds out the teacher's not there He goes to the principal. The principal's he's a K. I was kind of wanting to see what happened to that teacher and the principal's like, wow, you're such a good person for carrying about him and he's like he takes the compliment in his head. He's like the only reason. I'm doing this because I'm responsible he goes to the hospital finds out that he just like left and was extremely on well. And his this part is so strange. Well, it's it's interesting 'cause he's like okay and then doesn't check up on it. And later on when he's like thinking about like did I he's I thought I did the right thing like I thought I was like choosing not to scare someone in like being a good person like everybody else when I went to go check on him and then like there's this voice in his head, it's like yeah. But like the second that you found out that like he went somewhere else and is not necessarily better like you didn't. Second it became hard for you to check on this person. Did Not to do it. Yeah. The second you felt like it was an inconvenience. But that part was weird to me because he does ask is like we're where did he live? And the guys like I don't know did he even have a house? Like yeah. Has a house in the guy at the hospital is like, oh Do. They haven't ends there and I always like is he also evil? What do you mean does everyone like? Also wonder Winder you're saying which is that like yes, he could have been homeless. But like. Or here's a thought answer my question. Yeah I mean he was being soling. No answer. He's being so weird and vague the I expected him to be like I'm the ghost of Christmas. Disappear very strange very like very weird. but yeah, I don't know I I. Really loved this book I. Read It fast. Did you read it really fast? Yeah. Felt like a very fast rate to me. Yeah. Like one sitting I just read it. Yet was good. It was a good one I recommend it. I recommended as well. All right. Do you have any any other? Things that we wanted to cover about this book. No style effect I just really I really liked the characters I got there were really well drawn. Yeah. Meet you liked the message to didn't it was like a very it was like I hate you over the head message without feeling clunky. Yeah. 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Running for Co-Prime Minister And Raccoon Fight Club
"Always. Iraq. Welcome to save space, a weekly podcast about the news politics. Pop culture and anything else that comes up. My name is Vicky mo- trauma. And I am your host guiding you through this thrilling political climate here at say space, we are creating a safe space for bad takes to do that every week. We are joined by a couple of friends who help us make sense of the world this week. We're talking all about the PI election Pia is a small island, but a mighty one. And since it's been a long winter. We're gonna try to have some fun here to help us do all of that is guest coho, Sarah bows, about a senior writer at Chatelaine and panelists. Justin, Langer freelance journalist and host of this season of the CBC podcast uncover and also co host of the podcast Otto, Justin, Sarah, welcome to say space. Thank you for having us thing. Even letting me guest co host. Oh, yeah. Shutting up both of my podcast. You are the podcast king this year. Tired? On tuesday. Islanders on went all out to vote for the province's new leadership in this provincial election. Seventy seven percent showed up at the polls stations to cast their vote for one of the four parties running the Progressive Conservatives the liberals the green party and the end EP now that kind of a high turnout isn't particularly unusual and PI. In fact, this was only the third time that voter turnout was below eighty percent since nineteen sixty six so people and I love themselves voting for months. It has looked like this was the first major election in which the green party really stood a chance to lead the province since last fall. The polls have had that either ahead or neck and neck with the other parties in the end, though, voters gave the win to the Progressive Conservatives who will get the first chance to form a minority government just in UN to in the days leading up to the election, which you read about for the national observer, what did you see happening on the ground? It was the nicest most amicable thoughtful campaign. I think I've ever covered. It was actually really lovely. I think they're really needed a detox from the federal level. And I was just the perfect example. It's the kind of place where people would not just wait when the Streep wave at you. When you drive past them like I literally driving country road and someone like gave me a wave. And it was just like I got the campaign was, you know, unfortunately, when I was there. There was no campaigning happening. One of the green party candidates died in a tragic accident him and his young son died in a canoeing accident just days before the election. So the tar campaign was basically cancelled. So the kind of left me untethered kind of hunter around the province into sort of talk to people, but what was going on. It was cool as like p I is much the rest of the country economy's doing pretty well. And you know, people are not struggling to find work. But they're feeling the pinch of affordability issues. They're concerned about climate change. And they're just kind of asking themselves to be questions about what to do. Next in society. And it was interesting to watch a campaign actually address a lot of those those questions and and pretty like grassroots, right? It was a lot of breweries that you visited a lot of progress. Like the east coast early like just dependent on breweries, which is really really good to that. So the results came out and the PC's won the minority government. You know, people were saying, maybe you'll be the greens. But it wasn't there and the official opposition status though, which is a first for the green party in in all all the best ever done in a providence three seats. So why the sudden popularity for this party that has been so miniscule apart from having Maine so part of it part of it is on P specifically part of it is the leader. Peter Bevan bacon is making. Peter name. Baker. I got I got there. I know good tonight. Catch you know, let's fair that doesn't sound right. No. I have some syllables avowals wrong there. So tell us Peter Bevan Baker. He is not quite the model of of a green party candidate. You know, a lot of the green party candidates have done really well across the country have been biologists ecologists or environmentalists. Peter Bevan Baker is a dentist from the rural practice at Charlottetown. And he, you know, he's bored in Scotland he only became a Canadian citizen in the nineties, but something about him. He he ran again. And again, and again in PE, I and it just wasn't quite catching into the last election. He won a seat nine times one or two of them in Ontario. But that's right press of stamina early termination. And, you know, some during the campaign the way McLaughlin, the premium tried to paint him as his career politician, which I think is hilarious because it's like, can you really be a career politician if you failed every time, but people started kind of looking at going, you know, we know this guy there the moment. Where seem to say, listen, we are tired of the same parties the liberals and conservatives had traded government in PI since confederation hundred fifty years of just two parties people were looking for alternative for a minute. Look, it's going to be the MVP that shine where off pretty quickly, and then people turned to the green party, and the greens were kind of relating this vision that was really palatable to be honest. I mean, they're basically saying, listen, you know, we have a couple of priorities we wanna make sure people have living wage in this province. We want to make sure that affordability issues are dealt with. You wanna make sure that, you know, the sea levels don't rise swallow, the whole island, but also our budget's going to be balanced and Rafa bigger crazy, but we have sort of these long term, visions and isn't a nice alternative, especially when the parties are very much four year ahead sort of parties, the green party's talking about ten twenty five years in the future and people respond well to that. And we've lost that in politics in this country. You know that sort of forward thinking political vision and people responded really well, so with a mix of Bevan Baker himself, and and kind of the green party have vision looking forward. Kind of thoughtful. But not too scary. Kind of way. They're also like not doing this sort of fringe animal rights activism stuff as much anymore, right? Like their their promises. Our policies are actually becoming a lot more urgent right now that we're learning and talking about climate change and more enlightened ways, and they can sort of dovetail that with the economic message to also like your children's children, which is what all the parties really try to focus on like don't you care about the future? Because essentially, if you're voting party in your voting for the future, but you know, a lot of the discussion around climate change is like do you really wanna have a world that is, you know, apocalyptic for your children to live in? Right. I think this is like a market change it sort of Elizabeth May's vision of the green party, which is green politics touches everything rather than just focusing on the environment. Slowly. So that's a little bit of what the green party in P. I did where they said climate touches everything and every single way, and we're we're going to have policies at affected impact that. Yeah. That's right. And I mean. And a lot of the poses to sort of speaking to that sort of, you know, carbon neutral future where it's not just about, you know, of me from resorts industries also talking about, you know, a I and the automated of labor rarely the green party's you're saying like where all the parties on you know, how we're gonna do job displacement that come from automation. You know, win McLaughlin, premier ran on this campaign of jobs jobs jobs. I gave you a job bringing more jobs. Everyone jobs three-party say, yeah. Everyone loves working. But what happens in ten years when a lot of you know, the cashier jobs at the local grocery store are taken over by robots right around time. Right. Like to use the self-checkout. I try not to because I do I still like human interaction. I think like the green party is successfully trading on that message of like, we're all humans and this together. Yeah. You know? And let's like let's get a little humanity back. Liz maze done really great with humanity. I actually got to talk to what I was impeached on the phone both her, you know, she was pointed Bevan Baker and basically said like. Imagine him on the federal level. Like, he just looks. And sounds different. You know, he talks to other leaders in very respectful nice way, he talks to voters like they're human. He doesn't talk in sound bites. His entire except Harkin victory speech on Tuesday game second code victory speech was started out with Galong diatribe about you know, how much he was still heartbroken over losing Josh under the candidate who tried to a couple days before it was just such an unusual speech to see the one that I didn't appreciate when I was in PE. I I didn't see this until election night is the degree to which the PC leader is very much the same old, you know, the potential predestinated of the province is actually good friends with Peter Bevan Baker there, and they they ran the super respectful super thoughtful super kind campaign that did people responded really well to I think in part of the reason why I wonder if the story is actually funny, I wrote this really cynical depressed. Call them a couple months ago for vice you said nobody's going to be excited to vote in the federal election. Like, this is going to be as tiring in a cynical as it ever is. And I was genuinely genuinely depressed about the state of politics on the federal level having covered this enough years. Now, I am honestly really perturbed at how politics is playing out mean, it's nasty it's tiny it's angry. And I think you called me out for it being just very cynical. And it was so I think there's some degree. I do wanna start looking at how you know, how little pockets of politics can actually work better. Because maybe we are more like that politics will suck less. I mean, I think what tragically happened after Joshua Hayes passing was that the parties all in PI all sort of spontaneously without any coordination or any pressure on each other decided to stop campaigning. That's such a small town thing it is. But I thought I thought like I've been thinking about like how useful it is to just stop the politicians from talking at a certain point. And let people just talk it out, which I think he's did. Really wonderfully, which is that, you know, people who may be working to vote for the party or their particular candidate. We're still like, hey gonna vote which I think is a really meaningful and useful direction for politics to go into just say like the politicians have at this point said quite enough let the rest of us talk about and does wanna also raise that they had the referendum on proportional representation. And I think you know, certainly on the federal level. That's the one big broken promise that Justin Trudeau's liberals had right? Like, we're not gonna actually go through with discussing that. And also Justin Trudeau liberals being very feminist proportional. Representation is one of the really like there's a lot of good research to show that that's the way you get more women into politics, and like rather than have it be the sort of old party way. And that that PI alternately decided they did not want to go that route. But they actually respected, you know, they didn't they didn't wanna have sort of the low number of voters decided against last time. A tiny plurality voted for. But it was too few people turn turnover with so to me. I just thought that was interesting. They're willing to have those hard conversations at the federal level. Like, it just kind of like what else to complicated and probably politically unpopular to discuss. And you know, what it really would make a change for people. I think it's really easy to go is different. You know, pe- different. It's a small, but like why can't the rest of the country like that a lot of writings in this country are just like PA. I the Lord of them are quite small and real. I mean, if you live urban Toronto chances are you've never met your MP. But a lot of small towns across the country. You know, your p real, well, we're I grew up. Everyone knows the MP. It's not as though politics is completely different in the rest of the country. So what's PI? Yeah. You know, your p m L A rather. And he he or she in. Unfortunately, it's predominantly he now. But he or she responds to you and actually deals with Nino what they stand for. And you you vote for them because you know, and like them have that in the federal level anymore. And a lot of the times doesn't even matter because you're almost certainly gonna vote in line with the party almost every single time. The governor of the big long thing for foreign policy recently showing the candidate has one of the worst rates of basically party disciplined in the entire world. And it's really bad. We've lost entirely our connection to our local politician. I mean that's fair. I mean, I what I'm not about this election that was different. And I it has to do more with the P C's winning, which is that you know, we're seeing sort of like right-leaning parties win across the country in different capacities. But this PC campaign, and perhaps because it's PI had a more positive message, which we haven't seen for many almost any of the others. Maybe a New Brunswick it was slightly more positive, but this one has been sort of the most positive right leaning campaign that we've seen a longtime is. Not a vision for what the federal could look like hopes. I mean, did he king the assumingly the premium designate assume he gets a chance to form government. He specifically called out out Berta on election night. He spoke to the CBC. And basically said, you know, we ran a campaign that was supposed to be respectful and thoughtful and actually treated the voters. Fuck adults. Right. And he was that's in contrast and paraphrase, but he was that's in contrast to some other provinces that voted recently. And it was a really brilliant point. Because he basically said, listen, I'm conservative, I believe in you know, in responsible government. You know, I believe that's why it's personal responsibility. He wants taxes and all this. He's been critical of the way the liberal government implemented the carbon tax, but also he's not going to join the federal lawsuit against the federal carpet pricing scheme. She still cares about climate change. He his pledging to make PI carbon-neutral by some point in the next several decades, and ran this thoughtful respectful campaign that didn't result in sort of this, you know, vicious populism that we've seen from from other parties. So it is a great model for Wayne which. A conservative party can actually operate in a thoughtful respectful way. Really the point now where t to be critical of the way that you know, the Doug Ford's Jason KENNY'S run their their campaigns to be anti conservative. And that's you know, that's not the case. There's plenty of conservatives that I know some of whom worked for Doug Ford, or Jason Kenney who are freaked out about the state of conservative in this country. Because it's it's gotten mean, it's got nasty. And I think there's a real chance that the fate of the liberal party gonna go a similar direction as they get in the mud and start punching each other over it because I don't trust Justin Trudeau to run a thoughtful smart campaign next time, it's going to be just as mean as nasty because he's now so terrified but clinging to power that he the only way I think he's see the path victory is by going straight. They're Andrew Scheer. Joan. And finally, it's time for takeaways. This is the part of the show where we share our boldest bad. Opinions are rants are endorsements or whatever else we need to get off our chest. And frankly, I have something I have to get off my chest right away. Which is a piece of the Toronto Star by one Heather Mallick about stabbing raccoon, and it actually starts I stabbed record with a fork. He was after me. But to what purpose I cannot say your honor. I don't think food and I hope not sex. He was following me around the garden, and I couldn't shake him off a not unfamiliar sensation as I am frequently targeted by obsesses, just like visibly recoil wincing, just like it's bad enough that you stabbed it. It's worse than your impugning. It had sexual motives impressed. You got that close. I love this peace. Love it to tell. I think we'll lose two things one. I think she was trying to be funny, but unfunny people trying to. Leads to exactly this piece, which is like weirdly structure, and you're like involved in this staring chase at the raccoon. And then she eventually stabs it. And then divergence into this thing about, you know, people who stalk her it was it's a lot of a piece. It's not very funny, but she's trying to be funny. The thing I love about it. Most though is news isn't fun anymore. News isn't fun or funny anymore like partially because of the death of local newspapers partially because everything's become so serious and fraught there's not any fun in newspapers anymore. Like, I missed dumb stories about like moose came to our local Tim Hortons and tried to or the job. Stories like that at the post, basically like saying the national post has sense of humor. I mean, I these days, but when I was there it was huge. Like, thou make it on the front page lady stabs that. Terrible calmness. Like who who like aggressively breastfed mental Chong's baby leads to my response to this. And which is feel like women have been pulling the way in the media business of like getting reactionary like that people will be talking about. I mean think about it. That is the one Lee McClair your remember breastfeeding. Yeah. And then it's how they're Malik. And then it's Margaret one TV. And it's like I mean, we're doing they're doing all the work business are doing nothing to drive traffic. You know, true. Typical like women are getting it done. Yeah. Conrad Black like smoke PCP and like. County west show. The one origin ban and we've been trying to get Conrad Black to come smoke. Easy. Be. I mean, I mean. I want to see that he meant something. I mean, that's surely is one of the few giving us sort of like interesting weird dumb takes a lot of them very racist. But Conrad Black takes almost always like lifestyles of the rich and famous. We're just my friend. Mark Stein is struggling financially because people are suing him on TV rich. Rich. Nobody knows this. But Merck Stein recorded Anabel like he's also musician on the side. Stein. Conservative thought notoriously racist Slama phobic record like a doo-wop album of like, we're jazz music. He hasn't whole song roughly based on what's new pussycat. It's. It's called pretty sure it's new swear to God. I think it's called. I think I saw pussycat, but it's spelled in the weird like so Vesta away you need to stop. It's really funny. Just Conrad Black Sabbath, Mark Stein. Back to my take which is that Heather Mallick galas one a solid one like it managed to she's from horrific stuff in the past. It's been transphobic, she managed, right? He completely out of pocket wild, call without offending anybody. She didn't offend anyone with this raccoon piece. I don't think I mean. You. Complaint filed against her for screening for. I mean, she did she did stab a raccoon in the face. She was defending her home. Years ago in Toronto. There was a man who killed a raccoon in his yard with. I believe a shovel or Spade. And it was big local news. And so I'm amazed that will not really amazed. But like there was not that you know, history in the Tronto star newsroom on the half of the lawyers. No. It's honestly the best thing I've ever seen in my entire eighties. I thought I saw a pussycat. I thought I saw. I thought I saw none of jersey. Okay. You need to video link and. Video is he it's gray. Onkar sometime either trenchcoat for some unbelievable reason it just so earnest. Second. Happens when you have so much money. No, one says now all around the whole the whole predecessor video director person the whole premise of the song is like I think I saw pussycat. But then it's like, I wonder what thought it's it's sort of like being suspicious of this cat that's following him. Which is basically the Heather Mallick Cullum. All the way, he's not a dessert. She was specific it was a desert for when she got lower, you know, past the main dramatic entry. I also thoroughly sympathize with being a columnist and just being like I have nothing to say this week. Now, I have done nothing but have dinner parties day, and I've got nothing, and they want you to file thought that she would get some sympathy from people, and I'm sure she has I want like video footage of the standoff that she had, you know, would have been like we'll send a photographer matching like a mink stole like a for coat dark alley with one of those floodlights that goes on and off just got this. And I'd be like as a recommend be like, I have not messing. Club. It's gonna write about me. All right, Sara. What's your takeaway? Mine is less entertaining. But I was listening to the current this week. It was Earth Day. I think and there was a debate about whether women own the there was a story about women having taken a birth strike. So they were climate activists who are not having children because they feel like that is bad for the speaking of Elizabeth may like she has talked about population control. Obviously popular subject, but I just think that's a bad idea a child and as much as I like was late getting here. And I was like don't have children when I came into the studio because they merely he made me late. He's there's like such magic and having a child as much hard work as it is. So I think these people are I think you could just like raise a child to be much more environmentally conscious than we have all been. So I think it's about idea to not have children for the sake of the earth. A lot of people push back against that. Well, you may think wrong with saying like we generally should have less kids because it's kind of true. The problem is is that when you start making it like Paulousky, how do you actually enforce her implement that? I actually interviewed her about executives years ago dr- unless campaign, I called her up with what the hell's with your publish control policies. Go to suffer Canada. I'm like, okay. Other people basically, it was sort of she sort of saying, we extra bad, we need to promote reproductive health to, you know, especially like, you know, the develop the global south developing countries, which is a great, but do that because it affordable choice and has healthcare. Nothing. Is you wanna push population limits on the right? I'm I'm for that offer a reproductive rights and access Araya world, but it has to be about your own personal choice. Like, but I mean like now that I have a family, and I have like a mother, and I have a son. I'm just like if I was someone who wanted to have children, and I had the soc. Pressure to not have children because of like the planet exploding. I would I would resent that. But at the same time, I maybe could be a healthy message for people who really don't wanna have kids and have a lot of social pressure in their lives to have kids. This is a very convenient. Like, you know, what actually doing it for the planet, the planet grandmother because I'm saving the planet. Come across a little sanctimony is. Your granddaughter his the planet. Yeah. I understand what they're saying. Only insofar as I have nephew now. And I've never understood why children's toys R wrapped. I was like why is your much wrapping and packaging? Wrapping? And the thing is my nephew only likes the wrappings given up and I just give that boy paper shred shroud waste. I just think like kids toys kids things there. What kind of our consumptive about it or? Diapers. Like there are people who are like cloth diapers. And I'm like, I don't wanna spend my entire life washing clothes and also washing clothes takes up a lot of water. And I used to believe that diapers are what's causing sea levels to rise. Like, I just don't think there's that many babies doing that. Right. But like there's. Pooping ways to have a kid and be environmentally conscious. But if you wanna have kids, I love this excuse. There you go. That's total other side of the coin. A love it or dumped. Adopt. Holy crap. It certainly all their kids to, you know, people do not adopt older kids. And it's a really shame. You know? And it's about love people. It's about like how you train them per se. Although anyway. I'm not going to. Just what's your take away? Okay. Mine mine's. Don't. No. So I I read this call them for the globe, and assuming they don't kill the last minute. Oh, probably tomorrow someone's gonna pump that but I think it's time for political parties to get rid of leaders like single solitary, dude leaders altogether. I and this is the thing that I wish we're talking about. I think it's time for like I love the mistakes. Yeah. Continue I interested. I think it's time for co-leaders or like leadership committees or co leader in public school that go. Public school. There was maybe it's like head boy and head girl whatever kind of deal, but we were co-leaders. Yeah. It's actually. It's great places do this in in Quebec. Quebec solitaire, this kind of left wing party has co spokespeople like calling the leaders. And generally, it's it's a male male female. And if we're if there ever to win they would either pick one to be prime minister, and it will be kinda like outside or they minister would take turns. That's okay. And it's a really it's a lot of parties around the world are actually moving to this model. It's one that allows people more ordinary folks to get into politics and the Grenfell leadership positions because of the time demand isn't so aggressive. I actually talked about this. And she was like, I would love to do this, especially she basically said like the next person that comes in might have kids to worry about, you know, might not have like endless time to devote to telling me she gets one day off a month. And that's not feasible for a lot of people. If you split the job between two people you don't have to but it so much. It's doable. I mean, just into the New Zealand minister took time off because she didn't had occasion to six weeks off. That's all nothing. But like she like the model for like you don't need a specific individual. And hold them wheel the power. But the thing is that because you didn't really put her deputy in charge. I think she was kind of worried about look like he was a lame duck. We're looking like, you know, whatever. So she actually was still working even while she was on maternity leave. She was taking signing documents briefings that sucks you should be able to take kids really got like rush into it. And as a as, you know, I'm attorney leave right now. And I'm working azoff raising this kid and trying to learn how to keep them alive. And also like sit up and crawl do things that he has to do. But yeah, like, I'm also trying to like hustle in my career to and I I love that flexibility. But at the same time, it can be like a lot of pressure to you know. But I'm more on the side of like, you know, I I like that. There is, you know, support for trying to do all of those things, but they're really to be more support to help make that happen. I also like if I was ever involved like wanted to get involved in politics. I like the co leader model because I was one in grade eight. You already have the experience necessary for co prime minister twenty twenty who would you have is your the episode that? Who would you have is your obviously, thank you. I am. I'm the opposite persuasion, which is that I've been into many feminist clubs you need a dictator. Sometimes you just need somebody who's going to be like, this is what we're reading this month, and I will brook. No, we're from. Vicky is for dictators. Yeah. I think we should actually just only have one prime minister ever, but they have to corral. Whatever party gets elected. Oh. Approach with Megan be prime minister. But she might have to lead the conservatives. You know? I love it could be in power for for a long time. I like messy politics say all right? Well, that's it for this show this week. Thank you so much to our guest. Justin, Ling, and my coho, Sarah. Bozo Justin how can people keep up with you? Me just underscore leg on Twitter foamy. They're saving things that me there at Serra, Bose volunteer. I'm always sort of sharing photos of my dog. That's about all I do these days very cute dog. So this sodas recorded vocal fry studios and produced by the amazing door says let me you can find us on itunes by going to. It's a safe space dot com. 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The Great Mental Models: Volume 1
"Hey, guys, Shane here. Today's a special edition of the knowledge project. It's launch day for the audiobook great mental models. All you one general thinking concepts spent a lot of time on this book for the last couple of years. It's finally today and audio you can go to auto ball dot com or audible dot CA, or whatever your local audible is and you can search for Shan perish or the great mental models or general thinking concepts and check it out. We're going to read a little bit. It's going to be a long podcast in review the preface today. I just wanna say thank you for everybody who preordered a coffee. You can go to your automobile operate now. Download it into it. And since you're used to listening to my voice, it's going to sound the same. If you listen to this onto X, then you probably wanna listen to the audiobook onto you access. Well, but the whole goal of the project is hope people think better this volume one there's five volumes coming out over the next two years and what we're gonna. Try to do is give you the base education that you would have had if you went to the one oh one class and all the major discipline. So when I help people think better, we wanna make it accessible. I do wanna point out of Benchley. It's gonna be free. The audio dish in won't be free. But eventually all the tax it will be free. So I just want you to know going in that it will come out of we didn't sell the rights to it. And that's one of the reasons we didn't sell the rights is that we wanted to keep it free. We wanna make it accessible because part of what we're trying to do is equalize opportunity all around the world, a co wrote this book with Ranan Bogan, and I think you're gonna enjoy it. And like it's been a long time coming and so glad to have it out. And yeah, let's slow. Let's dive in a little bit into the preface which I'm going to read to you. And then we'll we'll call it a day. Education doesn't prepare you for the real world. At least it didn't prepare me for the real world. I was two weeks into my job at an intelligence agency on September eleventh two thousand one when the world suddenly changed the job. I had been hired to do is no longer the one that was needed at a computer science degree. I came from a world of one's zeroes not people families and interpersonal dynamics, I was thrust into a series of promotions or which had received no guidance that came with responsibilities. I had no idea how to navigate now. I found that my decisions affected not only my employees, but their families not only my country, but other countries the only problem I had no idea how to make decisions Island New. I had an obligation to make the best decisions that I could to improve my ability to make decisions I looked around and found some mentors. I watch them carefully. And learn from them, I read everything I could about making decisions even took some time off work go back to school and earned my MBA. Hoping that I would finally learn how to make better decisions as if that was some sort of end state rather than constantly evolving journey my belief. The MBA program was a good use of my time rooted fairly quickly when I showed up to write an exam only to find out. It was an open book test. I realized my expectations were entirely wrong in need of updating Ziona masters program, a great school some days. I couldn't tell that's where everything changed for me. I realized that I couldn't fail as long as newer the answers were on the books that I could bring to the exams, so it's actually quite liberating. I stopped putting effort into my assignments and started learning, but someone casually mentioning class that person was Charlie Munger. I went from theoretical examples that were completely re divorced from the real world to the wisdom behind the achievements of one of the most successful businessmen of all time Munger who you're going to come to in the series of books is built in the billionaire business partner of Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway muggers easy to like, he's intelligent. He's witty. He's a wreck. Reverend finding Munger opened the door to an unexpected intellectual pleasure for me. I felt like I had finally found knowledge that was useful because it was gained from someone's real life effort to better understand how the world works. It was so much more satisfying to learn from someone who had tried to put many theories into practice and was willing to share results. The fact that Munger was so professionally successful mid it all the more compelling Munger has away thinking through problems using what he calls abroad lattice work of mental models. These are trunks of knowledge from different disciplines that can be simplified and applied better understand the world the way he describes it they help dentist. I what information is relevant in any given situation and the most reasonable parameters to work in his track record shows that this doesn't just make sense theory. But it's devastatingly useful in practice. I started writing my learnings the result being the website f s dob blog the last eight years of my life have been devoted to identifying learning. The mental. Oh models that have the greatest positive impact and trying to understand. How think how update how we learn and how we can make better decisions a joke with my kids humor eight seven of the time of this recording. Actually there almost a ten and nine now. So that if you wanna suck up someone's brain, you should simply read a book all of the great wisdom of humanity is written down somewhere when we were talking about mental models Wedneday the kids asked if we had the mental models book. This may be pause. And it was struck with the realization that such book didn't exist. I didn't have something I could share with my kids, and that was a problem. But it was also a very solvable problem. So this audiobook and the volumes which follow are the books. I wish had existed years ago when I started learning about mental models. These are my Amodu to the idea that we can benefit from understanding how the world works and applying that understanding to keep us out of trouble yet is in these volumes are not my own. Nor do I deserve any credit for them. They come from the likes of Charlie Munger deceived. Too loud. Charles darwin. Peter Kaufmann, Peter Bevan, Richard Feynman, Albert Einstein, and so many others as the Roman poet Pugliese Tertre new wrote nothing has yet been said that's not been said before I've only Jurado edited. And shaped the work of others before me, the timeless broad ideas. And these volumes are for my children and their children and their children's children in creating them. I hope to allow others to coach problems with clarity confidence helping to make their journey through life more successful and rewarding. Once again, you can go to audible dot com. That was just the preface the next chapter is called acquiring wisdom. You don't wanna miss out on this? These are the timeless ideas, the unchanging ideas. You can listen to these in the car with your kids. You can listen to these by yourself when you're walking in listen to them at the gym is going to help you think better you're gonna see the world differently and more accurately, and you're gonna make. Better decisions as a result. And the next volume volume two is gonna be chemistry physics and biology. And you might not think that that applies to you. But I bet you work with somebody with one of his degrees. It's going to help you understand them better. It's going to help you see the world through their eyes. But it's also going to give you a broader set of models that you can use to apply to any problems that you face an void problems before they start which is super valuable once again, go to audible dot com. Check at the book search for the great mental models volume one general thinking concepts or search for Shane Parrish and semi note. Say thank you. If you you order the book, and you want an extra Getty's, your rano and Email Devon at F, S dot blog. Just send him your receipt. You'll get some behind the scenes access. We did a recording talking with the book series little bit about what went into it will we hope to achieve. That's only going to be available to people who Email us preorder. 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Case #42 The Family Murders (Part 2)
"The gray dancing dancing to the beat. You know not say Elf the dancing. I think this is the musical episode. Okay I mean I could probably make really depressing. Deaths sound musical. Go to you know I mean really. The challenge is just like find a word. Make a song out of it. Yeah Todd style we can do uh-huh yeah okay well anyway for those of you who hunt for those of you who are still with us. Ah Ha starting over for those of you who have made it through. Last week's big ball of depressing. Yeah this is actually part two of that but also you get an award. We have absolutely nothing for. Oh you now literally no you know you have our love and devotion exactly and we appreciate it and you know the story better than anybody also. So you're welcome. Well how about we just jump into part to today. I think that is a great idea stu it warning. The following episode contains very graphic descriptions of sexual violence and need elation listener discretion is advised. Okay so this as we said is a two parter. And if you haven't listened to last tweaks episode is suggesting PAS here and go listen to part one but if you don't want to do that which I don't suggest you I should go listen Right now I'm GonNa give you a Berry Brief Synopsis. So what we currently have our five five victims. I Alan Barnes who is seventeen. Second was Neil Mir a twenty five year old nomad the third Peter Stoke neff the youngest victim at fourteen years old fourth was Mark Langley at twenty five year. Old and fit was Richard Kelvin. A fifteen year old. whose father was a famous miss newscaster? It wasn't until the fourth victim that Adelaide authorities would start to connect all these murders. Now just another disclaimer. All of these murders are in fact very gruesome and very terrible so just remember that now. Let's it's also remember one name would continue to pop up during these investigations and that one name would be Bevan and Spencer. Bon Lynam we last left Mr von Einem. Just as he was about to amend his statement about not having seen the fifth victim Richard Richard Kelvin on the night of his abduction on Einem chose to admit that. On the night of Richard Kelvin's disappearance he had encountered the young man in his amended statement. He said that he had been driving in the area to pick up some food and was driving around Richards neighborhood looking for parking. He claims that she encountered Richard who wanted to come along with him that evening willingly. He stated facts that the newspaper for reports had that Richard had been going through some issues at school. That sort of thing and said that he talked to Richard as a friend. This took place at Von Einem home. Of course where they simply talked unhugged played Von Items Harp for a couple of hours before von Einem dropped him off off at a bus stop and gave him twenty bucks to get back home however this goes against three points. The fact that Kelvin had not doc gone willingly with whoever picked him up based on the testimony of multiple witnesses that heard screams and shouts and bought item had apparently been sick and bedridden right and all week long. Also the fibers. That examiners had found on Richard Kelvin's clothing imply that they were recent additions to his clothing and since he had been held for over five weeks it would have had to have been closer in time related to his discovery than his initial official disappearance. This man that the fibers would not have been present. Appeal had been at Vaughn items in June but rather of his clothes had been at von Autumn's closer to Richard Kelvin's discovery in July needless to say police and prosecutors didn't believe on item statement. What so so ever? It was just further proof to them that he was no criminal genius. Just a sicko trying to stay a flow as he began to drown Now by his own statement he was the last person to see Richard Kelvin alive. Prosecutors called for his trial immediately and by fall of nineteen nineteen eighty-four von Einem was pleading not guilty in the murder of Richard Kelvin. The trial of Bevan Spencer von Einem took place race in nineteen eighty four and was a relatively tame affair after leaning circumstantial evidence in the trial against Dr Peter Mel House in one thousand nine hundred eighty. The police and prosecution wanted to go with a more heavy handed. Approach linking von Einem with not only the drugs found in Richard Kelvin system but also the fibers Lincoln Kelvin Tavon items home and bon items. Own Sketchy Alibi. Excuses von Items Defense was flimsy at best he had already claimed taken Richard Kelvin back to his house on the night that he disappeared the claim to have been sick the entire entire week afterward. Then on the night that medical examiner's leaves that Richard Kelvin's body had been dumped. He claimed to have been at a family friends birthday party along with his mother likely story. I am also claimed that in the conversations he had had with Richard Kelvin. On the night he disappeared. The young man was struggling with his bisexuality. His family vehemently denied right. This stating that he was heterosexual had a girlfriend. Furthermore there was no proof of this being the truth other than von Einem say-so on November remember Fifth Nineteen eighty-four. The jury deliberated for seven and a half hours. Ultimately leaning in the direction of Guilt Bevan Spencer von Lynum was found guilty of Richard Kelvin's murder and sentenced to punishment of life and yet taller Labor prison. One of the I guess that would visit visit fun. Item in prison would be none other than Mr are. The business on that had been tied to Vaughan items nefarious activities mentioned him briefly early last episode. So again listen. As he began his sentence. The police looked forward. They were already chomping at the bit. Bit To try and pin him for any of the other murders are still absent than necessary. Proof justice had been found for one victim but the police we still had four related unsolved murders over the next few years things were relatively quiet on investigative front police. Were trying to find a link between von Einem and the other murders to at least extract. Some kind of information out of him or his associates. All they had was circumstantial. Evidence of the drugs found Jon. Bon items possession which was much more of a slam dunk as in Richard Kelvin's case than any of the others Kelvin had been held and tortured weeks weeks. meaning that almost all of the drugs found in his system had been at Bevan Spencer von items home. Meanwhile Alan Barnes and and Mark Langley show trace amounts of some drugs but not all and unlike Richard Kelvin. There was no forensic or physical evidence linking von Einem to their disappearances. As the years passed and the four unsolved murders languished. In Cold case. Hell people began to speculate about two questions nations. The I was did Bevan Spencer. Von Einem commit the crimes and if he did did he do it alone. Mr There are one of von items. Closest associates visited him multiple times in prison. Police still suspected him. As being one of the main suspects he seemingly scoured the Logan hotspots for young men and a daily repetition that seemed as well rehearsed as any the upstairs office which contained only a mattress and kept private still stumped investigators and let them wanting to charge him for anything but unfortunately there was nothing to connect him to the crimes other than his association with Von Einem in his sketchy however most surprising was that an anonymous nonethless caller would call in suggests that Mr are has something to do with the unsolved murders which gave police extra ammunition to observe him for anything out of the ordinary. Sounds like just what they were needing exactly. Please continue to use Mister Bay as an informant. Trying onto us the information he had about item and link it to any acquaintances or accomplices. That may have been present. Unfortunately in an effort to extradite himself from any of the crimes police had no specifics to go on. Mr Be would claim that he had seen Alan Barnes with von Autumn before his death. That was the same type of circumstantial evidence that police wanted to avoid in an effort to go even further than that. Mr Be within claim that he had personally overheard a discussion between Bonn Einem. and Mr Apparently during this conversation Mr be alleged that have on item expressed interest in making snuff film with Alan Barnes. This would actually fit into another anonymous caller had stated years beforehand about there being a snuff film made of Alan. Barnes was unfortunately impossible to prove Mr be would also sensationally only stayed that on Einem confessed to having involvement in the abduction of the Beaumont. Children in Nineteen Sixty six and the Adelaide Oval Abductions of Christie Gordon and Jean Ratcliffe in nineteen seventy three. There was no proof of these statements sadly but Mr statements regarding men seemed commencing police. At the time even as the month began to mountain two years police were happy to have Mr B to fall back on to learn more about von Einem secrets. Unfortunately they kept getting road blocked by Mr B's unreliable instances when he would lead police down the dark avenue avant items crimes the remove himself entirely escape all responsibility. It was a survival mechanism of course but it made police wary of trusting anything. He said that was further proven. When the sister of Mr Beale was contacted by police and gave conflicting testimony she stated that Mr Bean had told her of an occasion where he had participated in the abduction and murder of a young man which resulted in him? Throwing a body off of a bridge to investigators offers that meant Mr be my have had more involvement in the murder of Alan Barnes than originally thought but after almost a decade since the crime was committed and that was a dead end in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight police create a reward for information two hundred fifty thousand dollars dollars if someone is able to bring for information that led any resolution regarding the murders of Alan Barnes. Neil Muir Peter Stoke math and Mark Langley. This renewed interest led to a revival in Christ for justice and police began working on a case against on item for the murders of Alan Barnes and Mark Langley Those to at least had been found with drugs in their system. Tentatively tying them to the murder of Richard Kelvin in nineteen eighty nine nine the reward for information leading to an arrest was then doubled and was now five hundred thousand dollars in Nineteen Ninety von. I was preparing to stand trial for these two additional crimes. Police figuring that if they pin two more murders on on item it would make it easier to convict victim for the separate murders of you'll Moore and Peter Stoke niff- unfortunately before the case could even go to trial. The prosecution began to fall all apart under the weight of Mr B's testimony. It was too sensational too. Unrealistic to stand up to scrutiny and the fact that his own sister was testifying against him stating that he was the type to make up stories to get himself out of a pickle police on edge. If they messed up the Strahl against von Einem they would not be able to try Mcginn. Even if new evidence came to light in the future so swallowing their pride the prosecution cushioned pulled the case hoping for more evidence to be unheard in the future over the years the story of these murders would become a bit of an urban legend. Not only only in Australia but around the world when one police officer was interviewed regarding the case he made a quip Aboul breaking up. The happy family in regards is to an alleged conspiracy involving von Einem in other suspects. This would go on to be how the case was referred to the family murders a a collection of crimes committed by gay men in Adelaide that conspired to rape torture and murder young men and you have to admit the urban legend does have some legs. It's easy to point out conspiracy theories environment flaws with it but it's also harder to figure out how someone like Bevan Spencer von Einem could escape justice if he was the sole perpetrator of the axe. I mean he wasn't particularly smart. He worked as a middling blink accountant for amid end. Supply Company an lived at home with his mother. His idea of hiding evidence was to put it on the Inside Ledge of his closet that were police were able to easily find it. And that's not even including the alibis which shifted based on what. He thought. The police knew he wasn't the genius. Criminal and police didn't think he was smart enough to commit these crimes and get away with it especially since the other related crimes showed signs of medical. How To who if your call Neil Muir's body was mutilated beyond recognition? Though is done so by at least an amateur surgeon the same could be said of Mark Langley Corp showed signs of being operated on with the surgical cut below his bellybutton. Mon- item showed no signs of any medical expertise and most likely would not have been able to perform such a surgery. This leads to possibilities the first of which is that a criminal similar to item operated in the area around the same time which is possible if anything research has shown us that a good amount of sickos were in the same area at the same time but the more likely possibility is that these deviants were somehow connected perhaps working together or conspiring inspiring to achieve the same disgusting goals. Mind you. This is all speculation. Nothing's been proven I personally lean towards towards the latter not out of an effort to be a conspiracy nut even though I am but rather I just think that Bevan's von Einem could not have committed all crimes on his own. I think he may have been a gopher of sorts for the group of Patsy if he will and maybe it was responsible for abducting young men. But I don't believe he was the only person fault at the very least someone else had to perform the surgical procedure on our Langley. I couldn't agree more. Thank you over. The past few decades police have also agreed with us. After the nineteen ninety case against von Einem fell apart the story story started to flounder police suspected but had no evidence to claw against him in two thousand eight. The investigation estimation into the family murders was finally reopened as police began to re examined some of the long forgotten evidence. This time they were able to test it it for DNA and forensics but unfortunately none of it came back with any matches. How how is that possible? Had anelle honestly honestly I really don't understand because they had one guy. Yeah they absolutely had him in none of his. DNA was on it. This case is frustrating. We know the believes had narrowed down the description of three suspects who they allege may have worked with Bevan Spencer von Einem to commit the four unsolved unsolved murders. The description of three suspects is as follows suspect number one and eastern in suburbs businessman. He visited von Einem after his nineteen eighty-four conviction and interviewed in late. Nineteen eighty-three and denying any involvement in the Kelvin murder. He has also denied knowledge of the other murders. Despite an informant telling police. He saw him with one item at an unconscious. Alan on Barnes on the night. Barnes was abducted in June nineteen seventy-nine. Finally he refused to answer questions. When approached as part of the cold case view? This is the suspect that I have been identifying as Mr are throughout this episode for legal reasons. I won't disclose the suspect's name but let me just say that you'll be able to find it easily enough with a simple google search. This is the suspect that police have had the most interested in regarding the four unsolved murders. Apparently police planned on charging him in a failed nineteen eighty-nine case against von on Einem before it fell apart and prosecution months later suspect number two a former Adelaide doctor are who is well known in the LGBT community he was a former lover of a well known Adelaide liar and the pair used to pick up drug and abuse young men. He was known to have supplied drugs to von Einem and suspect number one which we're used to incapacitate hitchhikers. He lives in Sydney. Aena refused to answer questions. As part of the case review. This suspect was publicly. Outed in two thousand eleven in regards to a different investigation investigation. His name was Steven George Woodward's and he appeared in court to defend himself against five charges sexual assault against young men the incidents he defended against range from January of nineteen eighty two to August of nineteen eighty four online theorists theorists have speculated that the well known Adelaide lawyer that woods had a love affair with was none other than durrance Stevenson the well-known gala earlier who was murdered by his teenage lover. David Zack's in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. I also don't find a coincidence that Alan Barnes. The first family victim was abducted. Just thirteen days. After the death of Stevenson Rumors Murs have long circulated that Stevenson had had an interest in Alan bards in the weeks before his death and that all of these men ran in the same clique that that included Bevan Spencer on them and watered himself. I assume that the case against him failed or the charges were dropped. The last I could find of Woodward's put him in Bondi. A suburb of Sydney Australia suspect number. Three a former male prostitute Who is a close friend of one item and suspect number one? Police have considerable information that implicates him in picking up drugging and sexually abusing hitchhikers hitchhikers. He is believed to have been with China and suspect number one. When Kelvin was abducted but has denied this now a bus driver? In Brisbane Chris Bane. He fled Adelaide shortly after the cold case review was launched. This is the suspect that I have identified as Mr be throughout this episode. It's very possible that his name was leaked by newspaper in nineteen eighty nine. But I don't want to get into guessing games and risk risk legal action being taken against us. So that's more than fair now. This suspect is perhaps the trickiest police believe now as they do then that this individual had more information on he constantly implicated Bevan Spencer Yvonne item to places and dates but had an excuse for himself or would consistently state that he was involved with on items of deductions up to to a certain point. However these are just the three main suspects that police have identified throughout the years and felt comfortable releasing the descriptions to the public? It's possible if not downright likely that the even more individuals involved who roam free today in the case of the family murders has remained in the Australian minds for years now and for good reason. criminologist Alan Perry. He has speculated that there may be dozens of victims. Perhaps up to the triple digits. After all over thirty eight thousand people go low missing in Australia every single year. Over a thousand of which are never found. WHO's to say that any of the open missing person and reports of young men from South Australia aren't related to these murder men in two thousand fourteen? The family members of Trevor Peters were going through his belongings in an area of eastern Adelaide known as Kensington. He had died a short time beforehand and figured that it was about time. Peters had been in a game in and run around the same circles as Bevan Spencer Amman Aina and his associates in the late nineteen seventies in early nineteen eighties. as-as Asas family members sorted through his longings. They found a diary this diary written by Peter's decades before its discovery went into into detail about his relationship with him and the others that ran in their social circle. Trevor Peters diary alleged that von Einem had discussed the abduction Shen of Alan Barnes with his hairdresser Dennis Saint Denis and according to Peter Diary the pair taken pictures of Barnes during the week. He was missing missing normally. This would just have been a speculative lead a man alleging that convicted killer had a conversation in public with his hairdresser dresser about an open crime. But this diary had other more important details such as the names of von Items Associates associates including the correct identities of the three main suspects who names police hadn't released yet. Miss Diary also linked others the same band of killers that Australia had called family for decades. Another point of credibility in Trevor. Peters Peter's favor he lived just a house away from the to transgender women that Bevan Spencer von Einem allegedly used to lure young men to in. The name of one has never been released other than the fact that she was the sibling of an Olympic wrestler but the other was publicly identified unified as prue Furman who died in two thousand ten many have theorized that one or both of these women were involved in the abduction Russian and murder of the five victims. Perhaps one was the high pitched voice that witnesses were call. Hearing dern Richard Kelvin's induction then that would make sense it would trevor peters diary also alleged that von Einem along with Dennis saint-denis amd perhaps another associate associate rented an apartment in eastern Adelaide during the time period that the crimes occurred while the case file on Richard Kelvin may have been closed the abductions rapes and murders of Alan Barnes. Neil Mirror Peter Stoke neff and Mark Langley remain unsolved. It was a rough one. It was will do something a little light hearted next week. Yes please somewhat light-hearted Thanks for listening to this episode of Farsight Chats. We'll be back next Monday with a paranormal story. That will be sure to creepy out. Catch US next week when we're back from the far side God. He stated facts. That lack that killed had not gone unwillingly. It would have had to have it. It would have had to been closer. Her in time related it would have had it would have had to have been close they would have had been to at least extra. All they had was of a slam fall back on back on suspect number. Three a former male monster monster to a former mill episode complete.
Ep 137 - War with Barstool
"What's up guys welcome with the TM G. PODCAST? This is actually today's episode. Today's free episode. But if you want a the bonus episode that went up today as well you can find that on our patron that's pay dot com slash tiny meet gang and The the free episode will be Ad Free as well on there so And if not thanks and enjoy this one piece piece we're back. Welcome back. Everyone to the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. We're here we're live and we have a special announcement. Kanye West is coming in the studio next week. What I out as well do what I gotta we gotta figure out some questions asked. Yeah Amen. What's it like living in a fucking anthill? Goddamn termite mound. What he's I went. I went to rewatch that video of his house. Like the all white walls. Oh Yeah I thought this. Just lives in a ant hill. Little see through Goofy Shit from the nineties. Were you put answer these weird caverns. You're talking about the vogue video the questions one. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I videos man They they're me. Why because they're so like it. I don't know the production is so weird like it's four but natural the questions are all so written and the answers are also pre-prepared but they tried to play it off like it's not and just doesn't sit well. Something's weird about you watch. You're like I this isn't right. Do same thing on that conflicts sneaker episode with pop smoke. Oh yeah they had him say his Ad Libs while he was supposedly buying the shoes okay. She's like this wants to grant and he goes. Okay Okay Dude. That's what I mean. Hold on let me that about. Every episode of that series is the scene where they're checking out is always really sourced and awkward to him. It's not genuine. Let me an apple originally no. We'll skip over this. Yeah this should. This whole cut was awkward. I remember watching it and thinking. I don't know the pop smoke. Seem like nervous or something did not seem himself. This video gave me the complete wrong impression to him because I wash them genius video and he's he's supernatural and charismatic. And all that but in this video f just came a. He had never been on camera before. Hold up here we go. This shit is Oh man WanNa talk about cringe way for it. All righty. So it's going to be one thousand nine hundred thirty and thirty five cents over Ogre. Know No poor guy you know they. They must have like suggested that to him and his PR person was like. Yeah. That's a good idea. That'd be funny and he's just okay. Okay again oh how many takes how many takes of okay? Okay you look so depressed saying that shit although no yes yes. Can we get okay pop? That was great. Can we get a get me lit? Yes sure Gimme lit now. A woobox baby one. Welcome to the party got eat it again. I'm sorry one thousand nine hundred and thirty and thirty five cents over a rough. That's with the vogue videos like to me. Okay okay damage dude. The Um we the colorady drama did you did you we. I hate when you record something and then like that night. Holy Shit Shit happens because then we got a bunch of comments. That were like Did you see Alex's response because Oh we did? He recorded two before. I hate that share. I WANNA scream at my computer screen. No did not watch the truth video too long but it's actually pretty good. I watched the whole thing. Yeah and she just says it. She's I'm having too long to watch right now but I This shit too long. Yeah she she basically comes out with her side matches. Dave's perfectly okay that it was all they were right. He was also in this dude that she was dating and now the best part is is that. Alex gets to keep the PODCAST. Would've fucking cut. She's out fired. Nothing and social what I'm guessing but like. Wow that's what. What could you sue for? What could she possibly sue for? I have no idea no idea you're going to go to war with Barstool. Co unless your boyfriend is bankrolling your whole lawsuit. There's no way but she can be rich. He just an EXAC. I mean people's you know. Do give away a lot more for a lot less. Just look at only fans. Yeah that's a good point but we're talking lawyer fees here. That's just a monthly five ninety nine now that dude he's he's just the he's just the Beverly Hills version of of a pay pig. You know a construction worker. Just he's a you know he's he's a little sub Sophia. He gives it all the way to her little well. They're both can have nothing bro. How talking how do you fuck that up that pad how do you how are you? How bad greedy yes everything. That's the that's the isn't that the wildest thing when people get into entertainment and they hit that switch and they started going I deserve. Yeah they start getting that attitude. I deserve all of this. I understand if you've been in the game a long time and someone low balls. Unisys CERTAIN SITUATION. You say hey man. I've I've been doing this job for a while. I I know what works you. Can't you can't underpay me like that? That's one thing. Yeah one year. Just shut up. Take your millions and she. She wasn't even the one. That was editing it. She didn't work. She walked in and hosted it and then all of the editing was her and apparently I don't know if this is true or not but she said they record each episode for three hours and she cuts it down to one hour much fucking time that takes. Oh Yeah just audio literally. Listen to everything for three. Probably takes like eight hours to edit that down due to least to like I feel like it so much more time consuming than video for some reason because Oh oh yeah like in terms of like developing a narrative and shit like that so the our flows nicely and there's no periods where yeah yeah with the video at least you have a visual cues. You're looking you're oh this is I this. Change my shirt or whatever and it's easier to build a narrative Did we're long editing. Just earth ending three hours of audio just down to one but I thought they do video and audio. No video audio. It's just audio. Oh my yeah get out of here. You just trimmed down a radio show. Oh my goodness right. Oh my goodness and I guess so. I guess so feel like didn't people to know that it was alex editing so every time I alex post a picture of herself on her story being like hey editing a new episode. Can we go live tomorrow or whatever so? Feel like hey. Can you take that down? What 'cause I don't want like it makes me feel uncomfortable because now people think you're doing all the work. Oh a red flag right there. Read fucking flag right there. Oh Oh what a piece of you are. Hey don't let anyone think you're doing the work that you're actually doing a lot of fucking get Outta here. Bozo at just watching this like. Oh my God so now. I think she's just doing podcasts. Podcast by herself. Or maybe she's getting another co host or something but the funniest part about this now is that now. Everyone's opinion of the show as completely changed now that they understand this behind the scenes. Oh she was doing all the cutting she was doing all the work now. There's no chance of her coming back. Because ask away completely looks ungrateful an Asshole and no one would want her back. They say oh man you let your friend do all this work and you've tried to fuck her over you don't deserve and she can't go start another show. Yeah they're all these a dickhead there to know. Yes it's a rapper. Yep Goodness Man. The as well he Was A it's a podcast speed. Run right there. that's like the six nine of Of podcasting blew up in like two months and then now she's out of the game were. It's Kinda crazy. How much more I think. We'll see that the six nine of media with a blow up super-quick and they all these by way of some audience and then fuck it up somehow. Yeah I mean we yeah. It's funny. It's it's happening more with with everything. I mean every prank youtuber with the those guys doing now. Ya and Supreme Patty. Oh Yeah what have you. We talked about him later in the episode but like what I brought his name up yesterday and I'm like what the Fuck I've when's the last time you saw a video of him? Even Joan export page anything It's like people have these exponential growth graphs and they fall off just as quick. Yeah also instagram changed. The Algorithm of stopped serving a lot of that stuff. Yeah I I think for a while. The algorithm was as the discover page was doing its own thing and those guys figured out how to game it. Yeah and then That I think they just they tweaked whatever they were doing. You know commenting on your own post and goofy stuff like that. So comment your favorite month letter by letter. Yeah what's your favorite type of cheese? Did you write an essay last night? Tell us about it letter by letter in the comments. Damn Bro that yeah. It's it's an end of an arrow the discover page now is for me. It's just it's listening to what I say. So it's just F one cars and the same five pictures of the same models that instagram so desperately trying to get me to follow. This is yeah. I'm not. I'm not following those people and and and our own flick fan accounts the amount of me I see on my fucking I mean. I don't want to see my own. I I hated it. Feels a you know. It's sucks having to watch all of it and you know because you can't three of you on your right now. This is like old from from like an old as WLAC number. We're sitting at What's that was? That food place called Hokkaido Nano the in the healthy food place. We used to go all the time for lunch in the mall by healthy spot. Oh Man who food kitchens roof road. How wow was it. True food is true. Food Kit was got shut down and we saw I saw a millionaire and they're on several lunches such a random celebrity covered it. We we talked about a way back when but he got into tech to millionaire. They see me Rolan. Are you buddy? Are you doing the amount of corporate assholes he probably had to deal with quoting his fucking music a See Can I call you that? That see. I'd prefer if you call me by my real name. Yeah Anyway see list. I don't know if you know this but Wonderful COMEDIAN ABSOLUTE. Great Guy Weird Al Yankovic he did cover of your song awhile ago. I don't know if you knew that white nerdy I relate to that one I really I relate to that one yours yours is good but the white and nerdy one. Oh great right. Listen Cam. Thank you cam real name. I duNno I duNno chem- milionaire cam million and I think this I think this investment is going to be great for us. I really do. I think this APP is a leader in in dog poop. Picking up services. I think it's going to be fantastic as an investment and I think it's GonNa make us all ca millionaires or perhaps Jillian heirs to change your name. You're going to be with Jillian airs in here. My God I'll be Stanley Jillian air and you can you can be the original Jillian air. Because that's you fuck because name is key Hakeem. What's so what's what's his net worth. What's he what's he been? Investing in what is stick. I don't actually know he got any APPs or anything I know. Jar Rule is still is still doing his thing. Even after the fire fest after everything he's still doing like fundraisers and stuff. Well I guess WHOA. Oh Fuck but I guess commissioner was invested in Maker Studios. Oh Wow so. So when Disney bought them you made like a fucking money. Yeah he also invested in cruise automation. It's a self driving automation Tech Company. That was twenty thirteen and it's sold the GM for a billion. Oh my God what yeah worth so invested and maker studios crews and lift. Whoa also he also he also invested in ring. Yeah Holy Fuck Man Mogul. He's a bomb. Vc Firm. I don't know if he runs his own. Vc firm any. I think he I think a lot of his moves were just hey ca- millionaire and I'm putting into your brand. Wow now worth. Does it say it says fifty million but it has to be more definitely has to be more and those numbers are always wrong fucking. Our net worth is fifty million on Google. Yeah Yeah I mean but still you gotta think he had what? How many hit city have yeah? He had some bangers no but like what a handful of hits probably and he managed to finesse saddened. Do fifty million dollars if not more. Yeah that's incredible right. Yeah I remember. Whatever article was where he kind of? He was at a tech conference and he was speaking there and then I think they interviewed him on the panel or maybe off basically he acknowledged that after making money from music says. Oh Man I made a couple of million for music and I thought wow I'm rich and then when I look at tech these guys make one hundred two hundred three hundred million and I realized that making music money really meant nothing. It doesn't mean Shit and so he just a hard pivot he just kissed music goodbyes. Matter Nam Dude. The thing is we did the opposite from tech to music to create a work. And yeah whatever Bro Now. We got to flip the switch again. We gotta go back. How do you even go? You know I was thinking about that. What so when there was the DOT COM bubble? And then you had sort of the APP store rush right all these people creating these startup apps and now I think mobile devices are pretty far along. What THE FUCK. Just keep thinking. What is going to be the next thing? Everyone says a I big data. What else I don't know Okay here I'll tell you okay what? It is. Step chickens stuff like that. No Bro then. Actually what I'm kind of serious no that that that is a that is it because of how hard that she took off she got like one hundred thousand downloads or something in like a day from talk of this APP. If you know what? We're talking about this ex google employees chickens or steph chickens static chickens. An APP called step chickens. That is basically like her own little cult. It's Joe and she made like some tick talks about it and it like went viral and so like to join the cult. You have to join the APP and then you have to change your profile picture. Something on talk. I think that's what it is. I didn't look into it like that hard. But she got one hundred thousand downloads on this one APP in a day. Is this to me just feels how. How can I describe this? It's I feel like she realizes that fan is such a You know it's like a it's such a common thing now deep fandom you know and I feel that she just figured that out just 'cause she's smarten she says. Oh I'm I'm GonNa make something that completely unapologetically revolves around one person and that one person has me and watch. This should blow up. Yeah and fuck. Yeah that's like I think that's I watched most of our video. Where she explains it and this kind of what? It is honestly. She was doing jokes. Like based on this chicken shoot the chicken chicken shoot chicken shoe chicken shoot a chicken doing videos like in this chicken suit that she had and it became a meam honor thing and so and I don't even know do it's funny it's just takes off. That is some high level engineering. Shit right there. Oh Yeah. That is some foresight. My goodness yeah. That's some foreskin to download the APP and see what it is. Kinda step will then we? We can be step chickens. I think step chicken was like a play on. Step sister or brother from porn hub. I think just goes. It goes deep dude. There's levels to this mean there there's so A someone else not me. Okay this is someone else not me someone. Who isn't you truthful? Truly not me a friend of ours. I'M NOT GONNA air amount. He always told you others. Yeah Others Ben's enemy those screen shots of I just. I'M NOT GONNA air him out but I am the screen cavs of all the incest porn. What's the next big porn category? Step chickens there. No there's a I saw Some post about a device broke it. It can simulate tastes of food and and other things and smells. No yeah on your show. Yeah yeah that's what it's going to be can can you may is going to have a field. They were that. Shit you wife comes home. Her husband is just has like. It's like a stick that you put on your time. It's very obvious. And he's just like on a large a fucking. Adm television some bouquet video. He's got this on Deng he's like. Oh Oh how did that get? There is a picky stick. No no he's just no to get to put it on your tongue taste the smell. It was something like that. Let me get that. The actual quote talking like that full from rat race with pierced tongue. God forever since I've thought about that rat race. What a movie way. The neuro mackey synthesizer screen. It's a screen that can recreate almost any taste or sorry or flavor. Sorry no smell without eating food. Smell would be funny if I had little like vents on the side smell-a-vision pump up. This like gas. Just smells like whatever you're like? You know you're watching a cooking video. Yeah or era far his. Oh Youtube Youtube videos. This video is nor maske synthesized. Oh yes this taste everything in the video I love this. Video tastes like meat. My God has his wife comes home watching porn and just lapping. The screen can catch drinking milk. Close shot of Pussy. Does that's going to be you know? That's the future of memes. Someone sends you a dope nor maske Synthesizer Pussy video and you start Washington and your your synthesizer just changes the Dick. All of a sudden. I'll why did I get widely? What out that DIG TASTES DUDE WE TALKING ABOUT? I turn it off for even got their start having pumpkin meltdown. Crying and said texting your wife. I've I'm gay. What what I. I was leaking justice semi Mimi I was tasting and then it chasing the biggest is just in semi of tasting. It swear to be you. I tasted the Dick. What I looked to day I tasted it. What how the have ski synthesizer when did you buy that for tasty? Memes just started as a joke I wanted to watch. You know the crafty videos and taste the macaroni. And you give throws watching this cooking videos arena is if you can taste the instagram cooking video. And then I thought I'd give it a try before I send it gave it to you. And then they leak the beat is i. Don't WanNA tease addict anymore. You imagine tasty accounts and this is pictures of shit and it's video just sitting on your phone and public with your fucking. Just just yeah. I Prima clicky. Just GonNa some Corporate Coffee Shop. And they're all just like ear with the fucking stick on their tongue eating a fuck in eating a gut them. Amazon Microsoft fucking Cheeseburger Green Bean Amazon smoothie infused with Microsoft flavors in with the stick. Jesus did fuck so funny tasty name some tasty me pull this Apparently I'm I'm worth in eighteen hours worth between one hundred thousand and one million dollars it might as well just say zero to one million and then this year estimated between one million to five million. And if if that's true I wanNA know has my five million dollars. Gave it to me it. Pay Run me my bread my bread and we'll Miller net. Why don't you have like a tie? Why does it have a time line? What the FUCK DUDE. I love how it it says. Approximately one to five million that is that's a massive range bro. Jesus Christ Social Blade when social blade estimates on youtube earnings. Yeah and it's like it's like forty eight dollars to seventy five grand a day. Whoa Damn Day. I always thought that was like bullshit. I looked at social blade and I was like. That's stupid fucking stand. Why why is that there? But it is actually that big of a range. Yeah but like on just like you can't depend on youtube to give you to know what you're gonNA make for video or or anything. No I mean to. That End. Spock was joking about some Shit. I forgot what? And he's he said I'll take this as my payment for steamy tweets or something and I laughed and I was as you got paid from steamy tweets and then he said Oh yeah all. Those were demonetized. Us Twenty Dollars Hen. Fifteen million views were the shit big. Old Doughnut. One of them was monetize for an hour or something and it made six hundred bucks. Those the most I'd ever seen and I of the yeah. Yeah Baby. I'm rich. That's so funny zero dollars. Well you know we estimate is anywhere between zero billion. We say that's about that's about accurate. Yeah between zero and a billion dollars. 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So it's no it's Bevan I'd fucked know because I said is it like I was okay so reached out to him. I thought it'd be funny to just shoot the shit with him and we did. That's coming up in a second but Lemme clarify this real quick I said. How do you pronounce your name? Actually is it like Devon with the be and he said or even with a b but so I thought okay is it Bevin or even as maybe he was like you could call me whatever. Yeah maybe he was just fucking with me. So it's Bevan Ward scare fucked back up again Yeah the bathroom governator now he. He got up at five thirty in the morning to podcasts. With us out there and strike so we're going to cut over to that footage. We shot it. Yesterday it was a lot of fun. He's good it to him and thanks for the thanks for coming on the show. We as a A good time. So we'll We'll we'll up episode with with with that And the rest of. Y'All will see you in the bone zone piece guys. Ladies and gentlemen of Michael Reeves has ducked us for so long so we said fuck it. We're going to meet the next best scientific man on the Internet. And that's our boy. Be Even Warren Ladies and gentlemen. Do we say that is or even Bevan. I'm into I'm total moron man. People are just gonNA call me forever. Now thanks thanks for that. I mean you might. You've done that before I've won. I can see you've gone that before now even even not really sure I guess. Just see Bevan. Yeah Yeah so Lizzo you don't know beverages the man who knows more or less. How many likes we hit per episode. And that and that's not that's not like in the sense of you know tap like that's the word like one thousand seven hundred eighty nine times. Do I have to say I look and when I saw that I thought the he sat here and he did the work. I can't no out of me could be upset because it was just so funny that someone did that so anyway. What are you feel like after you were done with it? Were you like I'm going insane? From how many times I've heard these guys say like not really because I discovered your podcast take so long to get into a podcast. Because you kind of have to care about paypal before you're gonNA listen to them so that's cringe in music and whatnot finally got onto your podcast and then I noticed you started saying like lot. Yeah started to kind of bug me thought of to make these video Sunday morning. Get Up Sunday morning downloaded your video from Youtube. Put it into a premier. Just listen to your podcast and just every time you say I just cut it up. It wasn't that bad because I doing joy. Listening to a podcast. Yeah see if I had a height that would of hated every second of enjoy listening to sort of the larks. Well Yeah and then when I cut them out then. It was pretty simple of dislike like editing. The Mo- together. Yeah I guess that's like what we didn't we didn't know whether or not you're like hate listening to it or if you actually liked it and you were just taking out the likes by one or if you're sitting there like yeah could not do that. Do not have that much of a factor for sheet. I don't care about it's May one hundred percent love I mean we. We've sort of gotten better. Probably not me. It's you know man it. It really made me think is is the word like an American thing or is that just a so cal thing I it's it's much bigger. I think in so cow has to be nowhere near as much because I love the comments. Paper was saying you living psycho and some people don't notice at all. Yeah it does but after that I started paying attention to friends and people I know and it just started it. Became this whole thing in my mind. Were not on the other people's likes domino from there Yeah you guys. Definitely you triggered something to me because once I made your video are started because before. I didn't really hear anyone say locked March and now other podcasts. I'm hearing it more here myself. More powerful yes weird. It's a switch isn't it? It's like a switch once you start hearing something or it's like you know when you like today so I found out some brand of pastas was to be really good and now I fucking see it everywhere. I seeing ads for this pasta. I'm seeing in the grocery store. I've never seen this brand of pasta ever my life but once you make that switch the then your brains like Oh. I know this thing now and I'm going to start hearing it and start seeing everywhere. Yes the same thing with 'cause soon as you buy a car you see that car everywhere. Yeah Yeah Man. That's funny though. So now we're all poisoned with the word like we can't pretty much view is yeah thanks to us and thanks to you yeah. Yeah we're we're we're Australia. Do you live by the way Perth Perth Western Australia. So we have a software accent than the east coast so I lived in Elephant Peres. I used to live in Melbourne for a few months paper. Melvin thought I was British. The accent soft. Yeah so when you said he's got British. You went that far off the mark. Okay Fair champs even some extra British yeah? I'm sitting. There is nothing. Australia's Oh man this guy knows. I like as a crutch my speech and I just butchered his fucking where he's from. I've looked like a total moron right now Now Suzanne we went to. We went to a beach bar in Perth. Yeah and I remember it was. It was cool but it was right by shipping giant shipping. Yard you know what I'm talking about. I would've been North Fremantle Fremantle. Yeah yeah which know the exact Bob I noticed gender area bunch of bees and yes but it's pretty. Yeah person ice now I do a lot. Perfect is so the city but it's just so like shape compared to every other city. It's ridiculous traffic and just ridiculous amounts of people do like I know you guys. We don't talk about that virus. Come here six people. Six Westralia have actually died from the virus. And like wow hundred got just. Because we're the most city in the world when I wrote tourist destination winona business hub. Not really a lot of reason to come here except the quality of living is pretty amazing. Like no one actually comes here. So is it over now like you know quarantine and everything like everyone's wearing masks are they is. We're mosques. Never the borders now. It was nevertheless easy. Yeah because he didn't really come here like I don't know if I will moss on the east coast. Maybe they did show in Perth. Like you only saw the average like Asian person in a mosque. We stayed where anyway but no in masks there was just because there wasn't the need by west spread out as well. Yeah I mean have very few apartments and it's not live learn a- yeah people are partying stuff. There's get togethers we associate distance so everything was shut down on back at work right in. The office was working from home for six weeks. Baas and movie theaters are all still shutdown of bought. We just never took that next step where we had to wear masks guys saying I mean. That's the first thing I noticed about Australia. In general like that's the only other country apart for America that I've been where I've felt that there was a shitload space. 'cause you go to Europe and everything is so compact so that's interesting though man. Yeah but are you from Perth. Originally or Yeah pretty much from our South. Got It okay. Smaller town for I grew up on a femme cattle and horses. And you really like a real farm. Your farm yeah. It was like a hobby found. It was like twenty years or whatever we had four horses and four Catalan up onto chokes. Twenty years is considered a hobby farm. Like that's just for yeah. Let's not enough to cause my Mama's here my mom's family. She's from a farm farm kind of her brothers. Have Light Three Thousand Eight. Three MILLION. Three million acres. Maybe three thousand a three million would be like three million three million Acre farm. It's called Lania. You've heard of. He said of his pregnant. There's probably calms strategy of bigger than Lithuania. Yeah I yeah very true point so have you? Do you do your show like. Is that why you have the background in the PODCAST on? Not Lying podcast. Mine blob put out regular youtube videos. Every Waco say Elliot Bevan would locking whatever? Yeah like more. Bevan had apologetic. Do you have to you? Just got to milk it because once it's there it can't be removed. You just slip realize Bevan Ward youtubecom. Yeah please rate comment like and subscribing yes rate rea- might rate my youtube videos. Are you old enough? For Rate Communist subscribe or is that no I. I'm too old seduction. Okay no you're all that's what everyone used to say. Rate comment subscribe because you saw a video. You didn't like it rating really. That was on Youtube Bro. Five zero five all my God. I remember that yeah. How the Fuck Holy? Fuck you sound like me are the only ones that are no twenty three memory of a goldfish twenty three. He comes to the very much twenty-three-year-old podcast. We are all twenty three. And we're all very lit and we're very band or very lady as well take talk if you're born before two thousand. Let me all these. What what when twenty become old do I hate it? They're all getting younger and younger. It's so annoying of kind of gone off. Tiktok basically exclusively look at probably half the time I shit and that's it. She's so much the same stuff every time you have one person we'll get a good idea and then everyone else will just copy that exact same especially when it's a joke that requires a twist and off. That's this isn't how jobs work. They only good for once. That's why joke fifty such a big deal. Because the punchline the drugs gun on yeah yeah. Yeah and it's like there's just so much sorry go ahead. No no you first. 'cause mine probably longer but we're just going to say. I I've noticed. There's a lot of like unnecessary like padding on like before and after jokes you know like a lot of. Tiktok fucking too long and you finished watching them. And you're like that was funny but like thirty forty percent of that could have been cut like there's this one there's one trend that's funny. I thought it was funny. It's the walking on a dream Song. You know what I'm talking about. What what was that. What does that you catching your larks to seventy one cents? Bro? My God clip that out live that out and they just have to. We have to bake in a video. Soundboard what we just cut to that shot right there. Yeah Dude you completely onuma anyway. What was the you were? You were singing real nice man. It's called good. Okay like are we still doing it? Don't one don't do that do that. I don't WanNA see any fingers up. I don't want you. I don't want to head okay like I said I can. I can say that was good. It's the song walking on a dream and they hold up their phone and it says something That's a dream okay. And then they use that effect. That does the freeze frame. Yeah and they walk up and they step on their dream and they're walking on the dream. Okay and the dream is supposed to be something funny right you see it. In the first frame the rest of the year is complete fucking just fluff right and the watch forty of them and then you're like I just wasted half a day. I've been on Tiktok for six straight hours watching this Trent who sorry. Do the clue. Because I don't see you on your crispy Mike. I'll see you on your Webcam Mike so just seeing you at the mustache tectonic. You Watch forty you don't you don't need the end. The joke that it is a massive problem. We like instagram. Instagram COMEY is well. Well put the punchline in the Hashtag yeah so sites Hashtag whatever and that's the punchline people just think they can do comedy and just don't get like the number one rule of comedy surprise. Bro. The thing that is crazy to me is well on. Vine people people would remake other people's ideas but they credit that person right but they're still on vine. There was still an element of you should be trying to do your own thing even a little bit. Even if you're is inspired by or whatever you should be trying to make your own jokes. Tiktok the whole concept of original humor I feel is just very different. And that's how these kids are going to grow up that whole mentality of. Oh you're joked my job. It's our joke. It's everyone in our song. Yeah it's awesome. Yeah you did make. I did this. Who made that pit bull? Yeah it's ours. Now Yeah I I just think it's so is so weird and sometimes I feel that's why you know if you took young kids and you put them in front of standup. I feel some of it. Wouldn't connect with them or you know they say oh that that's a good bit. I WanNa do that bit. They won't understand you don't you? Don't do you need to explain it to them. Yeah so they're all just joke. Communists yeah right. Yeah that's that's the thing is as communism comes back. Go ahead and redistribute everything. Humor will be redistributed to everyone l. Yeah our JOE now. Everyone is bill burr. Okay everyone gets to be funny at the Party. That's what it is. They're trying to take. Its imbalanced right. One of US shows up at a party. We have all the steaming hot takes. It's not fair. Everyone should get to have a hot take So needs to be say until you say you're all part of the tiny meet ganged up. Not so sure about that. Okay no we're fuck anymore. Cody cody really. The only person I know that. Actually that's not true. Dude we're talking about. Lena was heavy out on Tiktok. I've never He'll come back. It's Fine Hillary said. Did he get making talks? I've I've made nine or ten. It's fine in cody. Give figure it out. We get go. Continue on. It was just keep it going tractor. Not I mean some of them a little bit. We hear you. We hear you. Cody Cody's these frozen. Allied like ten. But I had basically attraction and it was like fuck. There's brother put my time into youtube videos getting no traction. Because at least I'm proud of them right. You never proud of. Tiktok like Oh. I'm so glad I did this world. Yeah but dancing dude. Now NO DANCE GOES TO JOKES. Bevan if you do dancing tiktok now that you would never but if you did dance music together. I thought was fun. I was thinking. You're the dwayne Johnson of Youtube. Ambiguous both they and fucking ripped righteous off a door frame dude. I love that clip. Him that just is the new hot shit on twitter that him on Rago and shut up bitch. You guys are talking about his old clue of in sunglasses literally like these ones. And he's just on the Mike and he just goes shut up bitch. Use It as a reply video. It's so fucking mean. That's right I gotta get that if I if I was ever even a back finally. He's backing Jesus student in trash. If you were not using that audio right there you're just you're mistaken sir. We're Johnny Ed Cody Photon He. Probably not you get here you on and off. I had to turn off my interface twice so I keep in the. I'm keeping the rock compliment. Dude I cannot lose that. Nate dare cut that out. I need that complement. Okay well the other one is vin days. Oh Yeah Oh well listen. Let's go ahead removed. I like going better eighty six year. Like yeah this whole part. Let's go ahead and eighty-six this part is connection is bro you are. You are on it for five thirty. I don't think I could podcast and five thirty in the morning cody could. It's I could easily do that. Yeah Utah's near you in your own show. The early boy show but there is no early time for both of US true. Yeah true but I usually get up and go to the gym at five five thirty. So your friends. Yeah but you cannot get my gun out of bed before like the clock and then when you do she's dead for the next hour and a half but I just I'm just like King. She fucking hates me. I'm the same I'm a I'm a morning person. I'm just soon as I open my eyes. I'm out yeah your shit go time. Babies athletes start the bugging day with WS. You know wake up and you start winning. Are you the same way obsolete how to talk about that? Can we talk about that for a second? Bevan the last episode of the podcast but we not the loss one. No it's cool man cool. Yeah Yeah No. That's cool Anyways that's the time he's done. Tell you tell you the story so I guess we can. We can say will behind the scenes shit. We basically sign with the new podcast AD Company Right. The old one we signed with a new one. And so now we're we're having all new companies your sign up to fucking read ads on our show right. Yeah one of them was manscaping so we did. We did a read. The I read ever for landscape. And it's one of the reasons that we've done for this new company okay. We did the middle of the episode then by about forty five fifty minutes in the episode. I'm like hey dude. Let's check out that morning routine video that I sent you one time and I sent him is like three four weeks ago right and it's a it's a cheesy morning routine video similar to the one that we did that's cringe on so we go in on it for like thirty minutes. We're making fun of this morning routine video guy. And he's talking about you. He talks like waking up at five. Am because he likes to start his day with a win he had to the gym then he goes right to the coffee shop managers emails and he goes back to the gym and then he goes back to the gym and then he wakes up again. You know what I'm saying just winning all day long. So we're going on Guy Blah Blah Blah. We find out the next day we had a bunch of pace your comments and a bunch of Youtube comments saying that that dude that we were making fun of is one of the owners of manscaping so if after the episode had gone. Yeah Yeah it's done dude. It's printed slam. Yeah and we haven't heard anything. Nobody said anything. That company hasn't reached out or anything anything like that but after they listen to this they probably will. Yeah so you know if there are any male grooming companies that want to take over for Manscaping. We have we got. We got some open slots Have completely hosed ourselves so you know just as long as you're CEO doesn't make videos about waking up early. The relationship should be just fine bro. Bevan when when we went in on that guy. That's a severe understatement. Because we started at the end of the episode and it was a hot seven eight minutes. And then we go. You've fuck let's take into the bonus be going we're just going in and I read that calm. You know that guy owns manscaping as We Are we are Dumb Bro we are so still definitely gonNA listen to this near are sorted. Yeah Yeah our careers in this game is is is limited just on that alone. We're not GONNA make it. We got maybe six months left before we just for all the ad revenue dries up for us. Yeah we're going to start roasting Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina candle or something. You know Bevin loser money. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I was looking at products. There's going to make A. I was thinking of making video on her other ship. She has a necklace dildo. So it's a tiny vibrator where on your neck she can carry around with you if you look at the post office and beat long just whip it out so it's a horny rosary. Just whip it off do a quick prayer. Yeah just Because you showed up you but at least if it has chind you're not gonNA lose it. So maybe maybe she's onto something that's know about taking off and put an back around your neck. Sorry wouldn't it you? You have to wash it or just stinks like Vagina alday. Bush's into natural. So I think you just. And then it's goop scented afterwards on the fire but Jonah candle done to we one. No it's like You know it's like a little glass piece that you you know she smoke weed out of you just you just hit it with the lighter sanitize it good to go just a quick burn off the germs. It's good to go. Oh Boy Guy Did did either of you watched that fucking series on on her company. I like I refused to watch it. Yeah Okay Yeah. I didn't watch it no. I didn't watch it on youtube videos about it. She says yeah. It's fucking strange. So Penguin zero video data on my of West. I might have just. Yeah but my girlfriend lost her and she said there was some useful info in there. I'm not sure what about. I've seen a lot of pseudoscientific bullshit how to make Vagina candle effectively. That's fine let me ask you this Sorry what were you gonNa some say someone Do you follow laser beam. Laser Beam Dongguan. Why not know? He's like almost the biggest Australian youtuber. Right watch a lot of Youtube is oh I watch very few youtubers. Isn't he? Many naming yeah. I think so. Yeah I don't watch any gaming youtubers. Okay how big is a Youtube Australia community like boy? I know I've never been invited. You have like eight hundred seven hundred subs. There's Louis Spears and I was like new okay. There's a bunch of legit standups ups then moved into video was well frank. Change all that stuff. But then obviously there's the code one guy's maximum. Oh yeah and it's actually been perfect with me. Maybe I'll be on one day BRO. You out there. You have to have an iron liver to be on that show. I've watched clips that show the fucking WANNA go on it but with alcohol and a catheter or something that should is. Isn't it like like like I'll somehow siphon it through my body like into yeah? Yeah so the something a cabinet or no you just then you squeeze the catheter bag and it goes up your Dick. Oh yeah that's all. Yeah I deal with a catheter. Well that was in the documentary. It's a more way to get wasted. You do a but catheter in America like bugging you guys remember that the state yeah. I've never I've never done it. Despite what you may think is never never bought. Have you seen anyone in your frat days but showed no never weird? That's I've seen it. I've seen yeah. Yeah No. That's that's no that's never happened. I've seen someone do cocaine from another person's asshole before I've seen that in person look for us Crock or the whole the asshole okay. Sorry sorry blow it up an asshole offered. I've seen yeah I was GONNA say Nostril Totem Pole. I was GONNA say you pulling particulates their unwanted extent matter. You Really WanNa get fucked up to do it that way. Yeah now I feel like the spine to be on her stomach. The weather your finger. Yeah Okay shut it in school know. Tell us about that. What Sherbert is like Sugar it's like pick pick right. Yeah it's like yeah just sugar like did you guys have a Whiz side. It's just it's basically a sugar and you ate it and it just gives a bit of a tingling sensation in your mouth go you know in primary school. Maybe you're like yeah. I don't know I'm just snow it up. It wasn't fun it wasn't it was. I don't know why we did it. Get you high or something. No just just her self so funny to imagine the the twelve year olds practicing doing cocaine years. This is going to be so unhelpful. I remember six snorted a line of salt. Just just a Mexican head fuck so you. Now you have a Tequila shot where you want it to kill a short. You put the lemon in your mouth. Lick the sows. And then you take the shot and can head Fox. I've done one of these you snort the you squeeze the lemon in your then you know. Yeah it's like some Supreme Patty Shit. Yeah it's at some drunk. The aunt a drunk hours as you're only fans like is that exclusive Bevin war content big base demise. Guys let them know you sign up for Heaven's only fans this clips of him doing supreme patty stunts just crazy as drinking shit supreme patty. He one of his youtube is that does supreme. Patty is like is he a big guy. He's got a he's small but they thick he'll he lost a little bit of way he. His whole thing is like lemon juice in his eye. And Yeah there's a whole bunch of them. Yeah sons upside and other guys okay. So you did the Mexican head which is Gallison Sane thing ever and was it just like whatever like you were just fine or on. I heard I saw a stave a his own with Gordon Ramsay. He put hot sauce in these are. That's next level by lemon juice. Sure hot sauce. That is ridiculous and this was heart source to would not do that. I I recently saw the picture you know. Have you ever seen a little skies? Instagram picture is profile picture. 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Season 3 - Episode 39
"Season three episode thirty nine they will come on us, a podcast dedicated to u k true crime. For rarely at free access to episodes. Visit patriotic dot com forward slash they. Walk among us. Listener caution is advised as this episode contains adult themes and descriptions that some listeners my find distressing. Christopher and Susan Wybrow had been married for nearly a decade. They lived on a large twelve acre country estate could spring farm in the quaint village of Levin heath which they purchased in nineteen Eighty-one they'd been living there for eight years with Susan's daughter, Rosemary. And he's light forties millionaire. Christopher Wybrow worked as a barrister in London specialising in planning and property deals after commuting the eighteen miles from the east of England to the nation's capital. It was always well dressed and enjoyed playing for the local cricket team. Is wife. Susan what delivering meals to help old or infirm members of the community. She was a member of the parochial church council. The villages would aways complimentary run a rare macula to peer it's season was described as a wonderful person by the parish council. She would often go to watch your husband play cricket. When Mike refreshments for the team. The pair will well respected were considered the perfect couple. Wednesday October eighteenth nine thousand nine hundred thousand nine Christopher Wybrow decided to work from home rather than head to his chambers. In London is wife had been out to run some errands and came home to find Christopher in the garden. They spoke about their plans for lunch. But before the compensation could go any further they fell into each other's arms and kissed passionately. They retired to the living room and season slightly began to remove Christopher's close in the throes of passion. They didn't hear the other person in the house. In a matter of seconds amounted quickly approached them from behind through Christopher to the floor before striking him on the head and grabbing his arms. Hearing his wife's screams Christopher quarter glimpse of Susan fleeing the house the hats knowing she had escaped was the only comfort he could find in the following moments. He was again struck because his hands were tied behind his back. A rope was knotted around his legs above the knees. A pair of stockings had been shoved into his mouth and a blindfold covered. His eyes. He was being threatened by an assailant. You said he was there. Too tight the couple's valuables. Throughout the assault. The man barked that he would kill Christopher. If he uttered a word. He was pulled to his feet and dragged through the living room. He was then marched towards the door into the garden and pull towards the Bank with a large secluded duck pond. The below is more punches with thrown Christopher struggled. But it was no use. He was now on the ground and felt something around his neck. He heard an engine slighty getting louder. It was the sound of the citadel lawnmower in a moment of realization, he knew he was either going to be strangled to death or mutilated despite his bindings Christopher summoned the strings within himself. He didn't even know was there is he did say his blindfold came off. He could now see what was happening. You recognize the man almost immediately and in a state of complete shock also identified the person who had been riding. The lawn mower. The police arrived at spring farm after being alerted by neighbor, a family car had been taken. And there was still no sign of season Wybrow. Detectives found the lawnmower by the pond along with a pair Ravenna offs that we sure that the assailants made attempts to stage in accident. One theory was the comprehensive plan to make it look as though Christopher drowned after falling from his lawnmower into a pond and the garden near Queant had fallen on top of him pinning the unlucky Gardner under the water. This theory wasn't one the detectives came up with on their own it came from the person that raise the alarm with his neighbor. Christopher wybrow. Marriage. The white brows relationship was rookie of best. Christopher work long days often stayed away from high. Susan's teenage daughter Rosemary did not approve her mother's new husband, which led to further issues with the union. Susan had divorced her. Previous husband who was the father of her child. He was a county court recorder. We worked in the same chambers as Christopher Wybrow. Christopher it'll say separated from his former wife years before. Susan in Christopher tried for a baby however after much heartache it wasn't to be which put a strain on the relationship that seemed to be set with problems in Christopher's is Susan would exaggerate matters behaving rationally season believed. The Christopher was dictatorial and opinionated this often led to the couple arguing these arguments slightly became verbally aggressive, and then turned physical when Christopher became angry. One of these disputes ended with Susan being struck the couple was spending more and more time apart. Season. One to put the problems with their marriage to one side and focused on a passion of hers instead during may nineteen nineteen nine Susan in Rhode the switch school of flying. She loved the thrill of being in the air. And perhaps it was a way to forget about her troubles on the ground. Her instructor was a married, man. Danny Saunders from Colchester born in the light thirties. Saunders was raised in the district of Witham stories London to talion English parents he left school with few qualifications. Finding work as a driver. You would go into meet his future wife Maria and the pair were married in the early sixties. They had four sons who were fully grown when Denny started teaching Susan Whybrow out to fly. season. Denny's. For ten lessons. The pest spoke about the difficulties in their respective marriages, and they were attracted to one another soon does would like to tell a reporter that the two were mutually obsessed with each other. And he would go into say of never felt like that about anybody after some exhilarating lessons where soon does would fly the plane upside down, it would not be long until the two started having an affair soon. This said when she was in the aeroplane, she was her true self and uninhibited bundle of fun. The affair didn't go unnoticed and fellow instructor the which school of flying spotted how close soon does was with his people. The instructor. Trevor see more often saw the pair in local bars cuddling and kissing. He would like to say I dunno. What she saw him is short and pudgy with buck teeth and Boji is but the real smoothing, but contrasts she is very striking. And then attractive woman to blonde. Slim and elegant Trevor see more said soon dozen Wybrow acted like a couple of teenagers as they seemed so in love. September Susan was arguing continually with her husband. She admitted to him that she had slept with another man during her flying lesson. Susan tell Dennis about the arguments with her husband on one occasion. She east herself into the cockpit. She complained of a pain in back Denison stir. If a husband tater, she told him he had. Dennis was furious and decided they should do something about it. During the morning of Tiber eighteenth nineteen ninety nine season. Cool Dennis and I spoke on the phone to round seven thirty AM to put their plan into action Susana toll the garden and not to come in that day. Round two and a half hours later. She left the family home to run Samaritans once she was out. She spoke with her husband twice on the fine. Presumably to check he was there on her return journey. She collected Dennis who was dressed in overalls and was carrying to- rope before parking outside her home. She dropped him off at bomb near the property. She then ventured out again to the local village to post a letter and on her way, she went into the bond and gave Dennis pair of gumboots scissors and a cloth. She returned home to find Christopher in the garden discussing their plans for lunch. Susan seduced. Her husband. She told him I want sex now in the sitting room. The pair became into Susan position. Christopher so is back was to the door. Christopher Wybrow did not hear any soon does making his way into the room. Denny scrap Christopher from behind tidy map and put a blindfold over his eyes. Christopher was dragged through the house marched across the garden thrown on the floor of a grass Bank while he could not see you could hear the sound of an engine before rope was looped over his neck. He then heard is attack a cool for a knife. He managed to loosen his blindfold and saw Susan on top of a sit on lawnmower desperately trying to wriggle free. Dennis was holding Christopher down as he screened to his wife. Don't let him kill me is wife. Screamed back you've been horrible. To me is Christopher and Dennis continued to struggle. The path fell down the Bank towards the pond and Christopher manage to release his bindings and. Break free. When Dennis loosened is grip Christopher jumped into the pond and waited across some boogie land before swimming to the other side pulling himself from the water. There was no sign of his wife or Danny Saunders. So Christopher ran to the neighbor's house to raise the alarm. Answering the door to a man drenched covered in punt Wade with cuts to his face neighbor. Norman new commit I thought Christopher Wybrow was drunk before. She realized that something far more serious had occurred. Their plan had failed so season. Why brow in Denny Saunders fled? They picked up some clothes and headed to Dover. A Susan did not have time to pick up her passport. She successfully used Dennis's wife's the Pantoja ferry to France. Then drove onto Italy. Dennis is wife Maria ruined the property out there. However, they could not gain entry to the home as they had forgotten to take key then tried to persuade relative of marinas to hand over there. But as he was in the process of splitting out with his spouse. The relative refused is the reality of their action set in after a week, then is cooled is wife. Missing Heim, the ensues unwise Brown decided to hang themselves in. They were arrested in the port town Folkston soon as they arrived back on British soil. While being interviewed by police season Whybrow claimed that she had told then he Saunders to husband struck her a number of times even showing him the bruises upon seeing the marks Dennis was incensed city wanted to treat Christopher Wybrow lesson. This is where their accounts diverge Susan Whybrow claim that she pleaded with Dennis not to do anything. But he became aggressive with her. Then he's claimed that he was in love with Susan a ninety one to teach your husband lesson. No point did he threaten her. Only plan to act to the robot. And a so Christopher Wybrow the accounts they each gave leading to the act were very different. Season would later admit to police that she exaggerated her claim of spousal abuse to Dennis soon this. But she said she felt forced to help him with the attack on her husband. Dennis climb the Susan's blessing when he was carrying out the attack. Detectives found flaws with both accounts and was certain the Denison Susan plotted to kill Christopher Wybrow. stories of the attack on the couple's relationship filled. The tabloids. Danny Saunders was labeled the Romeo and the press claimed he had a string of fairs ju to his talion heritage. He was also referred to as Dennis the menace and it was reported dip, switch airfield. He saw town tiny female students. Before the trial. Susan and Christopher Wybrow, divorced. Nineteen Ninety-one IT months after the attack Trung began Norwich Crown Court. Fifty around Susan Whybrow under lover fifty four year old Danny soon does it each been charged with conspiring to kill barrister Christopher Wybrow. So Susan would inherit the Y browser state. This included a sizeable home, a large amount of land savings and a life insurance policy, which total three quarters of a million pounds. They pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiring to cause actual bodily harm. However, pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to commit murder. Around the six eight trial. The jury heard from prosecuted Charles Kelley to allege the Susan Dennis plan to win Christopher's life by making it look as though he had a gardening accident their home in the village of Levin, he north of the SAFA Connectix border. It was believed. They the plan to make it look as though Susan's husband accidentally drove his sit on lawnmower into a duck pond and the motorized piece of garden in -ment would have pinned him under the water who he would have fallen from it and been fatally wounded by the blades. The Cohen from which this plan grew. In fact, came from Christopher Wybrow after he was reading the Daily Telegraph a month earlier, he recounted to his wife, the story of a man who had drowned after his ride on lawnmower crashed into a water filled. Ditch. Susan told her lover about the story in the paper in the two allegedly made plans to wind Christopher's life. The prosecutor said that planted seeds of the conspiracy in the minds of Mr. Saunders and MRs white Brown went onto say they plan to do away with Mr. Wybrow in such a way that she would inherit his state when the plan failed that was when the two conspirators panicked and fled the country the defendants denied the prosecution's allegations. And claimed they intended to teach Christopher Wybrow lesson did not wish to kill him. Then soon the said he only wanted to give Christopher Wybrow a quote doffing up the defendants on the victim would recall that fateful day in October nineteen Eighty-nine though it each provide a differing account as to what happened. Christopher Wybrow would speak about his former wife wearing a grey suit. The fifty around said choose a bit of a flood. It was a problem. But I loved her immensely. She exacerbated me got on her nerves. But she didn't get on mine. If the what is unusual when his ex wife proposed they have sex in their front room. They offer noon voca Tober eighteenth. Season left briefly to go to the bathroom, Anita? Find her husband naked in the study when she returned. Christopher was surprised when his wife onced into put his clothes back on. She wanted to undress him. Jones Kelley acting on behalf of the prosecution told the jury would have been impossible to stage in accident if he was found in the pond with no clothes on because it was to be ashamed. Mr. Wybrow did not mow the lawn with no clothes on. Christopher Wybrow spoke about the moment. Just before he was attacked in said, she embraced me kissing me passionately, gently pushing me towards the door, then became conscious. Someone grabbed me from behind. I found myself flat on the floor face down with a man sitting astride me. After being tied. He was then marched to the garden near large duck pond. Christopher Wybrow claimed that he was toned. If you don't stop struggling strangle you. Christopher recognize the man to be his wife's flowing instructor even cooling out something to that effect, however received no response. When a road was placed around his neck. He testified that was the turning point in the fight. Then he soon would later argue the one struggling with Wybrow. He said, no one is going to kill you. Now, ever the Barras declined. Never heard the defendants say that soon would also testified that he cool to Susan Wybrow. He is out enough. Let's go, but again, Christopher Wybrow disputed this. Soon. This claim that the right that ended up around Mr. y browse neck at Gooding tangled. When the pair were tussling he was adamant that he did not place it there on purpose. Is agreed by both the defendants on the victim. But Danny Saunders. Briefly released his grip of Christopher left him on the ground as he spoke to Susan. That moment Christopher manage to make his escape. Susan, why Brown Denny soon does have been romantically involved before the attack Susan testify that Saunders it made physical threats towards her around her daughter. She said around a month and a half into the affair things turned ugly from the stand. She said that things got out of hand when saunas Tonga he would cut her up if she looked at another, man. Season told the jury that one day when she was at his home Saunders picked up a knife and said that he would play Norton crosses on her face. She asserted similar threats were made on numerous occasions. And they she initially told police that her husband had assaulted her because she was instructed to do. So boy Saunders wall. They were on the run who was only when Susan realized that she was safe in the custody of police, the she felt she could speak the truth. Season gave her recount of October eighteenth nineteen ninety nine and said that after her husband was beaten and bound he was taken to the garden. After his blindfold came off during the struggle. And he saw Susan he looked at her and said, I love you won't covered in blood. He pleaded to her please don't let him kill me is the two men struggle that the top of the Bank season witnessed them wrong down towards the pond. This moment. Christopher testified that he was still being assaulted over. This is where accounts differ, a Susan Wybrow claim that Dennis then moved away from Christopher allowing him to make his escape. She told the court. I'm shame to say that at the beginning of felt quite powerful. The two men were fighting over me. I was also shocked, but I didn't do anything. She said that she had not planned to seriously hurt her. Then husband, let alone kill him. Susan testified that when she left the property with Dennis Saunders. He said that she shouldn't return with Christopher would kill her. She admitted that she had been threatened numerous times by Saunders. She still fell to track to him. When questioned by Roque tansy soon does defense counsel. She also admitted that she felt powerful manipulating the two men against each other. Denny soon does denied the teeth threatened. Susan wybrow. From the stand. He testified that only carried out the attack is he was deeply in love with Susan and was upset the her husband Tertre. He said, I could not get it out of my head that someone was mistreating the woman I loved I was angry for the rest of the day and night. Denny soon does acknowledge that he did say he would hurt Susan Whybrow by playing north and crosses on a face with a knife. If the affair ended but declared he was joking and it was only meant in a playful freshen. You went on to testify that on the morning of October eighteenth. He can't plan with Susan to assaulter husband and make it look like a robbery she suggested he used a balaclava to make the rules more convincing. He said Susan actually wanted to see her husband beaten. She had said on occasions. I would like to see someone give him a dose of his own medicine. Then Saunders professed his love for Susan never faded until the start of the trial when she made Hurrell allegations against him. He said until then I was one hundred percent in love with Susan. In his closing statement prosecutor chance Kelly told the jury the reason behind this whole conspiracy was to allow MRs white Brown to lose her dole dog of a husband in gang control, his finances as his that by she would be able to continue her life with a lover, Danny Saunders. The motive behind all of this was MRs white brows craving for excitement. The prosecutor would go on to recount the hideous accident that the defendants planned and said to the jury if you read a novel, and this was the plot. You would throw it to one side and say rubbish, this is not life. But here you are trying the case. Defense counsel for Susan Wybrow. Jillian Bevan QC ask the jury. There really was a plot to kill Mr. Wybrow. Because if there was he described it as one of the most bizarre and harebrained schemes imaginable. On Monday, March twenty fifth nineteen Ninety-one at Norwich Crown Court. The jury took just over two hours to reach a verdict. Then he soon doesn't Susan Wybrow will unanimously found guilty. Susan sat stone-faced and Dennis gazed ahead. They did not turn to look at each other. That were being held for the rest of the week while medical and psychological testing was conducted on Susan why Brown. During mitigation council for Susan Julian Bevan told the judge of his cons mood swings and said, she was confused depressed and entangled in motion web at the time of the crime. In reference to Susan soon. This council rook Tanzi said it takes two time. She was very persuasive woman. Indeed. The following month at Birmingham Crown Court. Judge Justice in Kennedy said he did not think that was much planning before the act was put into practice for the Christopher Wybrow was only a few minutes from death. He said it is over well to say the victim suffered no physical injury Riveria few physical injuries that won't heal. But the mental wounds you cause to that man won't ever mend. While the judge admitted that he struggled to draw distinction between the defendant's actions he had to take into account to physically carried out the attack. Danny Saunders was sentenced to ten years in prison for the charge of conspiracy to commit murder in twelve months for conspiracy to commit actual bodily harm and kidnapping the charges would be serve concurrently season Whybrow would face eight years behind bars for conspiracy to commit murder and twelve months for conspiracy to commit AB h in kidnapping. Sentence would also be served concurrently outside the courts one of any song to sons spoke to the press and blame Susan Whybrow four the attack. He said my father is asked himself over and over again, why he ever got involved with her. He still can't believe he ever got trout by such a mad woman. She lured him into a web, and he was helpless under her spell now. Tis destroyed his life. Following the trial? Both Julian Bevan QC defense counsel for Susan Whybrow and wrote Tanzi QC council for Dennis Saunders. Each submitted an appeal on behalf of their clients will they did not dispute the charges of conspiracy to commit actual bodily harm and kidnapping there. Claim centered around the charge of conspiracy to commit murder. The appeal shed common ground in the was argued comments made by the trial judge could have hampered the defendant's right who are fair trial. It was claimed that his interjections heavily influenced. The jury in Jillian Bevan QC's appeal. He wrote the basic submission in this application is that the trunk judge wrongfully entered the arena took upon the mantle of prosecuting counsel. The submission was at I reviewed with alternately refused by single appeal. Judge. During March nineteen ninety three. It was reported that after consideration by three appeal judges, but Susan Wybrow unto love Danny Saunders were granted leave to appeal. The judge's had reviewed the court transcript which had been submitted as evidence and findings. They wrote some of those passages calls are significant concerns require us in our judgment to invite the crown to be present. And to invite the full core to consider the submissions to made as to whether the end of it all these two applicants had a fair trial. During January nineteen ninety four. The appeal was overseen by Lord Chief Justice, Lord, Taylor, Mr Justice, Finch and Mr Justice pill. It was argued that the trial judge had acted in a hostile manner and also inferred that the testimony made by witness was contradictory when it was not during examination in chief the period before cross examination in which the advocate representing a witness can question their client to elicit the facts to support their case Julian Bevin QC was addressing the jury. Judge Justice Kennedy randomly interrupted Susan white brow. He was in the witness box at the time. Why did you tell the lawyer in the first place about Christopher hitting you? She responded will he did push me in the back. The judge said that is a different thing to hitting. The judge went onto disgust any Saunders who Susan claim to threaten to the judge said, it was a man who for no reason tools offered to cut up your face in play nose crosses on it. And who will do the same to your daughter, but is self-evidently not a man to whom you should exaggerate any violence that you have suffered the hand of a man about whom in might be jealous. Susan's defense council. Trying to explain to the jury the Susan didn't wish to travel with Saunders abroad. She was scared for her safety, the judge again interrupted and said, why did you not get out and say to the manage him Gration Laconto me or do not want to go on the boat because you go past immigration. Do you not you have to hold up your passport? They glance at your passport. There is your chance to get out of the car insane to the two policemen out me. The defeated Susan Whybrow replied, yes now, I didn't think about that. During the prosecution's cross examination of Susan Whybrow. When the subject of the injuries to back came up. She said that when Danny Saunders, I saw them. He was going to beat up a husband face to face Manta, man. Seconds later, the judge intervened and said you say he was going to do it man-to-man. It could not be described as man to man to go up behind somebody time up and then knock him about when he's helpless. That is not, sir. Galahad work can this possibly be man-to-man is a manly, man. He was so angered by women being attacked boy, a husband that he devises a cowardly plan. Did you say to him? It is the most cowardly thing to do to him up. And then hit him. It is a very odd circumstances it not season replied, yes. Denny soon does defense counsel rook Tanzi QC might attempts to present. His client's case. However, the judge would repeatedly disrupt his presentation either ridiculing what was being said or continually questioning its direction Tanzi respectfully asked the judge to stop interrupting him. During the trial. The defense counsel for Saunders recounted the day's events on October eighteenth nineteen ninety nine prior to cross examination soon does began to speak about his plan will lack of one is he described the judge stopped him and said so you never been planning to go and face him. Man-to-man punch him on the nose you planning to take him from behind soon does made attempts to testify, but he was repeatedly interrupted. Is the exchange between the judge and roof. Tunsi went back and forth defense counsel said my Lord, my he'd be allowed to do it in his way, the judge exclaimed a simply want you to deal with it. So the jury can follow and understand what he is saying broke Tanzi replied Malul with respect shall be coming to that. When he explains the plan as he told him developed. The interruptions came thick and fast with both the defense counsel and prosecution. Oh, my stunt able to keep up. One. It was made clear during the appeal that it was entirely appropriate for a judge to intervene to ensure clarity. And avert a repetitive. Protracted trial the appeal judges concluded that the trial judge's behaviour went far beyond the bounds of legitimate judicial conduct. They stated that the appellants were there by deprived their right to a fair trial. And there was a denial of Justice concerning. Judge Justice in Kennedy Lord Chief Justice Lord Taylor. Stated interrupted the flow of the narrative not merely to clarify what they were saying but to poor scoring on it. Whether or not less story was improbable. They in their council were prevented from presenting it as they wished. It was agreed that Susan why Brown Dennis soon the should face a new trial for which they would be granted l'egalite. The defendants were released on bail were not permitted to contact any of the prosecution's. Witnesses. Specially Christopher Wybrow. Denny soon does return to his Hyman Colchester Essex and Susan Wybrow state mother's hymen Plymouth. It was agreed that the neutron would be held in London due to the amount of publicity. The case it generated in Norwich. second trial was held at the Old Bailey in London during March nineteen ninety four from the stand. Christopher wybrow. Again, testified the barrister told the court on October eighteenth nineteen Eighty-nine is ex wife seemed happier than she had been for months when the subject of dinner came up, she suggested she would love to cook his favorite meal lobster. So she went out to buy provisions fatigue them recalled the day's events for a second time. Paradoxically won't Christopher Wybrow recited his horrific attack. He went on to speak about his former wife in glowing terms. He said that she had an almost childlike approach to life, even describing her as an extremely coined person. He said she was note materialistic never complained even when they're finance situation change temporarily during a particularly difficult year for his business. John Matthew QC acting on behalf of the prosecution told the jury that the defendants put their planning to action because they are in love in spite of Christopher Wybrow testimony about his former wife she wanted him dead. He said without her husband's financial support. She was not going to live in the way to which she had become accustomed. During his summary of the case. Judge Justice Sachs addressed the jury and said they had to decide whether Susan Whybrow was a scatter brain or manipulative woman obsessed with her lover. The jury also had to decide if Dennis soon is intended to mud Christopher Wybrow. Was he just looking to scare him for the alleged assaults on the barristers? Then wife. The judge stated that they passion play a large part in the events of the case. The jury must not be influenced by those factors. When arriving the verdict. After rumors three years to the day from the original trial and following four hours of deliberations. The jury of eight men and four women reached a decision MRs Susan Wybrow burst into tears when the jury acquitted her and her former lover Dennis Saunders of conspiracy to murder. They had always maintained. There was never a plot to kill her. Barrister husband Christopher in. What became known as the fake lawnmower accident and they're twelve acre farm in Levin. Heath suffolk. Twenty first nineteen ninety four Susan white Brown. Denny Saunders were found not guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Mrs Wybrow, who's now living in Ivy bridge near Plymouth and flying instructor Dennis thunders from Ensley court coaches to walked free from the court because they had already served a sentence for the offence of plotting to cause actual bodily harm which they had admitted MRs Wybrow expressed relief. Terrible. Outside the courtroom. Danny Saunders was seen smiling. When approach by journalist. He said, I'm delighted just look at me when asked if he still loves Susan Dennis responded. No, no, he simply wished to put the incident behind him. Mr. Saunders solicitor, Brian Spiro, expressed his clients feelings, he just simply to save. He's extremely believe of a jury today have found him not guilty. And he's looking forward to his wife and family who've been extremely supportive throughout detective sergeant film. Mason who led the inquiry for Suffolk. Police praised Christopher Wybrow behavior throughout the case and said he acted with no vindictiveness towards his wife. Why brow who did not attend the outcome of the retrial did not wish to provide comment? Gentlest waited outside his home at spring Fum hoping to catch a glimpse of the barrister though. He never emerged. They did however speak to his gardener. He told the press that is employed did not want to speak to anyone. And when quizzed about what happened nearly said he would no longer be using a sit on lawnmower. the notorious piece of garden acquit -ment that since been sold. So where are we now? After the second trial. Then he soon does return to his wife Maria. You only met his lover Susan Whybrow once during the appeal proceedings in the retrial was the last time they saw each other. You wanted. Nothing more to do with her. Dis involved in the case of since remained out of the spotlight. Thank you for listening special. Thanks to our patriot supporters you can now preorder your copy of our new book. They walk among us. Available on Thursday may thirtieth two thousand nineteen in paperback e book and audiobook. Two more information, please visit they walk among us put cast dot com.
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Orbital colony the Meta commentary there. Is that being autistic. Sometimes it can feel that you're apart from the society and An outside observer. Ever do you have any favorite space themed science fiction. Oh don't get me started okay. We won't so let's talk about. That's something else. Nick feels strongly about the language around autism. Nick is autistic. which is the way? The Nick wants us to say that. Not a person person who has autism can you just talk about the difference in semantics therefore us what we currently have as our understanding around autistic people is a in medical diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. I disagree with that categorisation. I don't agree with pathologising zing in entire segment of the population especially when there's nothing wrong with that segment of the population so to me saying person person with autism would be like calling gay man a person with homosexuality. This is not everyone's perspective but it is eye opening. I don't know that I've ever thought too. Deeply about how autistic people think about autism or even talk about it with each other me neither. But we've both been thinking about this a lot more since we discovered that. There's a really large constellation of communities talking about autism unread it. There's autism autistic autism acceptance autism translated autism. Parenting ASPERGER's asper girls. There's also autistic pride that last one was started headed by Nick The Internet in general is an amplifying tool in its amplifying in two aspects. One is you are reaching from just your it can be Across the world but the other amplifying effect is that most autistic people are in the closet. So if you can go on reddit and be anonymous. Then there's no no fear of being outed there's no fear of repercussions in your workplace. There's no fear of repercussions in your personal life. We set out to make an episode. That look at this conversation happening online and the more that we talk to people for this episode the more we got a sense of the vast spectrum of autism and autistic people people with autism people who are Neuro Rhode diverse. However you prefer to describe it so it's a good time for us to talk about this or maybe it's a good time for us to listen? I think in many ways that we autistic other normal ones and the rest of the people are pretty strange especially when it comes to the sustainability crisis where everyone keeps saying that climate change is an existential threat and the most important issue and yet they just carry on like before that's Time Magazine's twenty nineteen mm person of the year climate activist Greta Tune Berg. Doing a Tedtalk so today then and I are going to listen and other than us. You're only going to here. AUTISTIC voices three of them people with different experiences and different perspectives. You're going to hear about their lives. How they think about autism and and how they think about the world? That's it today's episode. Nick Jess in David. I'm Ben Brock Johnson. I'm Ameri Iverson and you're listening to endless thread. The show featuring stories found in the best ecosystem of online communities called Reddit. We're coming to you from WBZ WBZ Boston's NPR station. We're not sure what causes autism. It's usually defined as a developmental. Disorder characterized by a range of behavioral challenges. Lack of social skills repetitive behaviors and difficulty with speech among others autism is referred to as a spectrum of these behaviors because it manifests differently in every autistic person. Most people talk about this spectrum as a straight line with people who can more easily function in quote normal society on on one end and people who can't on the other historically high functioning quote unquote autistic people were even given a separate diagnosis asperger's burgers today. All artistic people get the same diagnosis autism spectrum disorder. Nick who we've been hearing from describes the spectrum as being less it's like a line and more like a circle people exhibit certain autistic traits more than others but those same people may exhibit other traits less. So it's not quite as linear as most people think and Knicks participating in an ongoing debate within the artistic community online about whether autism should even be viewed as a disorder in the first place. He doesn't like the implications of that term because he says the only thing that's disabling autism is the way society is set up if ninety nine point nine percent of the population was born without legs that you know worked and they were in wheelchairs. And then you were born with legs function. You would be considered disabled because the entire society would have been constructed for people who use wheelchairs. Now Nick is speaking from his experience. There are a lot of autistic people out there who have debilitating physical social and emotional challenges people who can't speak for themselves members of their families is sometimes can. This is in some ways of familiar. Narrative Disabled Victims of disease unable to speak for themselves. Nick wants to change change this narrative or replace it replace it with something that's more inclusive to all autistic people to nick. Being autistic isn't a disability liberty. It's a different way of moving through the world and that shouldn't be considered a bad thing. I see the autistic community of the same place that the LGBT the community was at in the nineteen sixties and Seventies. Where if you were gay you were diagnosed with sexual orientation disturbance? It was a medical diagnosis. That was the conventional wisdom within the medical community. That because you are different you were acting outside of you know societal norms. There must be something wrong with you. So right now We're being diagnosed. I am officially diagnosed with autism awesome spectrum disorder. We have applied behavioral therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. Which is just a conversion therapy by a different name where we go in there and they train you to repress certain autistic traits to have you come across as normal whether that is avoiding I hi contact training children to maintain eye contact when there is nothing inherently correct about that behavior where in other cultures it is considered rude to people in the eye so they are enforcing cultural norm when cultural norms get enforced things or people people who are seen as abnormal? Get unwanted attention up until quite recently actually the Common insult was to call. Someone engage Anything gay if you're insulting it that's so gay When I was growing up in school that had begun to change as we have begun to accept the Lt community in their right to exist in society as they are? When I was going through school we started starting to see the trend of people describing things as autistic that is so autistic? You're fucking autistic. I'm sorry the language there but that has become kind of attacks we received. We're going through a lot of the same stages that the community went through. And that's why I'm trying trying to emulate their success and My sub reddit are slash autistic pride. Because I think we are seeing a a lot of the same patterns with our communities as we've said this is not the perspective of everyone but it's the focus of Knicks activism and in a very straightforward way. He's advocating mostly for society to stop pigeonholing holing neuro diverse people. Stop treating them as one kind of person you know that's why Greta Dume Berg is such a game game changer for us because before Greta we've all you know had the experience of being compared to shut him from the Big Bang theory you know there. Here is a positive aspect of that. That sheldon is a genius of geniuses. Right but he's also an egotistical emotion lists narcissistic extinct robot who could care less about how other people feel. I realized I can go to your aunts awful party and still spend the whole day gaming with my friends sheldon. My relatives are going to want to talk to you. And you're going to be sitting there playing a game. Isn't that a little rude. got that covered the headset. I won't hear word the old geezers or saying Nick wants the representation autistic people to move beyond the sheldon caricature her and towards people like Greta. Tune Berg. That's why nick is planning to run for local office in two thousand twenty one. He'd be the first openly autistic politician petition in New Mexico and he hopes that's just the beginning seeing somebody on the national stage or international stage a public figure who you can identify with it. Shatters the stigler it shatters it cuts through more than anything else The stigma and the stereotypes and the self hatred that so many of us carry around the history of autism is complicated. The most famous pioneer of autism research was an acclaimed claimed Austrian doctor named Hans Asper. Who was active back in the nineteen thirties in nineteen forties? It turns out ask. Burger was pretty cozy with the Nazis. Letsie's they helped further his career and in return asperger's supported Nazi programs that have since been completely rejected. Of course things like forced sterilization and even child euthanasia program asperger's autism research wasn't widely adopted until the nineteen eighties and there's been tons ends of autism study in recent decades. That has nothing to do with this. But aspergillus ideas became the foundation for how Modern Society came to understand these types types of behavioral disorders Nazi Associations Be Dand and his ideas were pretty harsh in their own right. autistic psychopath was the term. I used to identify children with autistic characteristics and the scope of his research was narrow he only studied like young white boys always and he like you know they were like extreme examples of people who are autistic. Because that's the people who are obvious so then you know when someone like me comes longer like oh no way artistic because you don't you can do this this and this know that this is jess. I'm seventeen I live in Miami Florida and I'm autistic. According to data published by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry four boys are diagnosed with autism for every one girl. The lead investigator from that study says the evidence for that disparity birdie points towards diagnostic bias suggesting that girls are under diagnosed for autism. Jess's own experience backs this us up. At first she was told she had something called oppositional defiant disorder. It's basically disorder for people who like act out fifth sake of acting pointing out. I guess they thought I was doing it to be disobedient. Where like when in my head if I break rule I'm like oh just take me to Alcatraz like for breaking the small small unimportant role so they were way off base? We did not find jess on Alcatraz. We found her on the Internet where she spends a lot of time. One of my special skills is having the maximum amount of tabs open at once. I have a t shirt and I think it says something like my mind is like an Internet browser have too many tabs open. One of them is frozen and I have no idea where the music is coming from this. There's a good chance at any given time that at least one of Jesse's Internet tabs is open to read it specifically glee to one of the many reddit communities created by and for autistic people. We all know where autistic so we can talk about other stuff although we do talk about being tested a lot and inaudible how life is very difficult but like he we get through it together when we put out an open call on Reddit for participants in this episode Jess responded enthusiastically among other things. She wrote I like being autistic and would not quote cure myself. If I could just always knew something was up the first day of school and they a pass out the syllabus like I'd like missed that but for life like okay. Here's a soloist. Try to talk to people like you know play dates and all that but like Mike you know couldn't get the silent from anybody to extend the metaphor just started out at a Waldorf school so she didn't need day life syllabus at first her school had lots of recess and nontraditional curriculum her differences were celebrated. It was when she moved to a traditional school in the fourth worth grade that she started having problems not with like the work itself. Wake not to toot my own home but I am of course a genius but AAC but like with just like being organized and stuff like my executive functioning is so bad homework and deadlines and a whole new group of classmates who already knew one another that would be daunting for anyone but they were extra challenging for Jess. Meanwhile wile consults and testing with many different doctors led to conflicting answers for Jessen. Her parents oppositional defiant disorder anxiety. I think some doctors. This is actually been like you know. She can't be autistic. She makes that contact. She can talk to people Lolo block. Finally when Jess was thirteen. Dr Officially put put autism on the table but after so many misdiagnoses. Her parents wanted to be absolutely sure before telling jess so. They sent her to a renowned therapy therapy program in Utah to confirm the diagnosis a few months. Later Jess's parents delivered the news. I was in Utah sitting in a food court eating Panda Express. My parents were going to take me to a therapeutic boarding school and they're like oh on your artistic and I was like Oh cool that that makes sense and then I kept eating Panda Express I was. I was very young. What did it feel like to be told that it was? I mean. In the moment I was like kind of focused on my panda express because like I hadn't anything like that I don't like weeks but like yeah. It's definitely nice having the diagnosis. Because like you know not having it wouldn't mean I'm not autistic just just means now it's like I have a name for the stuff of but like it's not always rainbows and sunshine. But like you know I would still be without the name so might as well have a name for it. Meeting other autistic people whether reporting school or or online has been an important way for jess to feel seen. The most famous autistic character I can think of is Sheldon Cooper the Big Bang theory. You don't think I'm condescending. Do you own. Oh I'm sorry condescend it is a jerk. Also the what's even better is the show officially as like he is not autistic he is just whatever but like you know he's very clearly like Geico he's basically a caricature and I'm just like one. I'm not a jerk too. I'm not like a thirty year old white guy and three just like really. The jazz actually wants to correct this. She wants to write a comic book. Featuring characters who feel feel more true to her select. The main character would be this autistic person in lake near like shape shifter and they like shape shifts into like you know normal. Hugh mental like sit in stuff like jess has no shortage of ideas but it may be a while before. She's able to turn those ideas in the comic book. Gold breath starting this past February. She's been busy dealing with something more. Urgent I started having to her sunglasses all the time like even at night because my eyes were just really sensitive just has always been extra sensitive to sound and light but this is next level. I had to like spend of the week in my room. 'cause like I literally like I think I was wearing by sunglasses under the covers. I just could not deal with light. It was really bizarre. Justice condition in has improved slightly since then she can come out of a room but she's still having migraines and she's not yet well enough to go to school. She was in a room when we called her and she was wearing her usual attire. Well you know in keeping with the latest trends. I have on not one but two pairs of Sunglasses Mrs and then over that I were Hoodie and revette. I wear like a beach hat to block light from all angles. It's the latest fashion encasing. Jason Doctors Aren't exactly sure why this is happening. Digests they think it has something to do with the levels of antibodies in their blood. It's it's unclear if it's directly related to autism but sensory sensitivity is a familiar experience for a lot of autistic people. Spending the day stuck in your room with two sets of sunglasses on might make anyone feel like a bit of a Martian but something that makes just feel like a regular teenager is talking with her autistic friends recently thinly. They've been talking about a new project. They wanted to do something to like. You know. Fight the fight at make voice hurrying all the and it's a fun thing at at first they thought about doing a podcast. Naturally that's the popular thing. The cool kids are doing and then we realized doing a podcast is is hard and I was like I remember I was just like do you want to do this. Choose think no and I was like how about blog and she was like yeah and then we did the blog. Doug and thank you for saying podcasts are hard God it's ridiculous like with the Audio and the files and the AH yeah the audio and those files will get you every time every time just as blog is called B. A. Four A. or or -biotics for autistic ex. She's written about her love for Internet Research Common Myths about autism even that moment at Panda Express when she learned she was autistic. She's also written a poem about a birthday party. She went to when she was ten. That birthday party was a time. I'd like freaked out. It's like a good example of like you know the sorts of meltdowns I used to have it's kind of a traumatic memory and what is supposed to do with trauma but turn it into a kick ass poem. Here's a snippet of that kick ass poem. The Cool House with the ZIP line has a yard growing screaming children my radar instruments. It's pierce every time there shrieks past ninety decibels a water bomb is thrown it explodes me. Launches me up into a tree legs and arms as a melted is now lawn ornaments all alongside goggles crushed cupcakes children. I was not expecting to be hit with a bomb. Hydraulics Hydraulics Open. I'm sobbing now. A rich rape leaf is ripped off in smeared across to smear my saw things class acquaintances bases and parents dodge. The smell spectacle dropped underneath. Dad Arrives calls out to me out of the tree. Oh catching your towel still still dry. I fall the towel. Scrapes me up a bit towel. Burn nothing too bad no worse than my diagnosis heartbreak. homedow- Gal Gorilla Glue Vines boxes boxes and boxes of books sand string. The next few hours are busy. I spend amusing my box. So good congealing. All of my parts altogether it just says she knows she'll continue to face challenges throughout her but she's another person who started to speak out about because if there is as a statement we can make that is true for both nick the activist and just the poet. It might be how they want to be seen. I want people to know my testing but also oh I don't want to be like oh you're the autistic person wants to be like. Oh you are person you're autistic but like your person just sort of not have it'd be like a huge which deal and like you know online unless I bring it up. It's not a huge steel. ooh Just thank you so much for your for your time and for talking to ask and I really look forward to reading your comic book. Doc about autistic superheroes day now I have an obligation. That's why we yeah we won't make you make a podcast but we would like to read that comedy. I couldn't hear I was thinking you guys were hurt list. But you know you're not making me do a podcast so just the comic book. We'll be back in a minute. Support for endless thread head comes from zoom. Zoom is used by millions to connect face to face across town or across the world. Zoom ties. Together all of your unified communication communication tools into one easy platform for videoconferencing phone calls group Chat Webinars and conference rooms. Zoom is how business this gets done visit zoom online to set up your free account today meet happy with Zoom quick heads up. There's a mention of physical abuse in this next story. There's also something our next guest references that we should define just so it makes sense self stem which stands for self stimulation. It's a repeated often physical action that is associated with some people on the autism spectrum. So we've I've been hearing from two people who found out that their autistic pretty early in their lives. Now we're going to hear from someone who didn't even though there were hints early early on. I remember when I was in the fourth grade. We're playing marbles during recess and this one kid tried taking my marble and I said what are you doing. He said he said I want. I said that we were practicing. You know we didn't say it was so he told me to jump in a lake. It was really hot and humid humid and jumping into like actually sounded quite refreshing. But I did point out that We did. I did not aware of any lake nervous school. I had not not brought my bathing suit and so what I went home. We there was a swimming pool so I jumped in the swimming pool clothing. All my mom was on the balcony waiting for me to come back and it's never good when a parent uses your entire name. David were you can't get out of that pool. So David Williamson. I'm fifty nine years old. I'm a culinary arts teacher in in Nevada I tend to have a very literal mindset so that does create its and it still. Does it still creates bridge problems for Mason of from from time to time I I have problems. I still have problems with sarcasm. I wasn't diagnosed until later in life so my parents parents had pretty strict expectations as to as to hire would behave and and what I would learn and what I would do extracurricular activities and the you know if it had been up to me I would've loved being left alone in my room. And they said No. No you have to you know you have to join the scouts and you have to learn how to ride a horse and you have to take Red Cross lifeguard lessons and you have to learn how to play the piano and they made me go out and participate and I hated it but in doing this I also learned how to interact with people I learned how to be. Part of the team are learned how to take turns are learn how to follow the rules. When I I did not enjoy the process but I do think I'm the better for it? Back in the sixties you. You did not take your kid to see the shrink. It just was not done so if I started trying to self stem For me that was I like shaking my head violently and I would plot my arm. My arm's a lot and my dad would give me a warning and say stop it. And if I didn't he'd him he pulled off his belt and lay intimate intimate or my mom would pull out her yardstick and go after me back then. It was called tuft parenting. No adverse behavioral conditioning. Nowadays we might call a child. aww Use but I learn to internalize a lot of the twitching as you grew up up and became your own person and went off to college and got a job. How did some of these challenges stay with you or how were they different sprint? And you were gaining some independence. I still struggle with relationships. The the time and effort to invest in a relationship or friendship ship is emotionally exhausted. I see I did not realize I was autistic until I self diagnosed when I was fifty four and then I got a clinical diagnosis when I was fifty five but prior to that you know I I tried hard I tried I have friends and into have a normal life to decode a woman and to date. And and you know maybe get married and Do family thing with the kids and no matter what are hall hard I tried I just could not. I never had many friends. My relationships have been far and few between usually not ending very very well and And I could not figure out what I was doing wrong. Can you talk about the most recent relationship in sort of what that experience was like and how it ended. Yeah so I was. I Wa- I met someone online through our time which is geared towards people who are fifty and older and I met someone and we headed off and she said I really like you but I want you to know that I now I was in an abusive relationship and I just want to be France and let's be friends for a year and I said okay. I love parameters parameters are great because 'cause parameters defined the boundaries within which I can interact you know being friends for a year I could handle that and it was nice and then and then I started noticing that one was sitting on the Sofa. She's leaning against me and I fall. Well she's just tired because you know she's a friend. According to the friendship paradigms there's no Hanky panky because we had a friendship agreement for a year so then she started she. Would you know touch me. And and Komo run their fingers down my arm and at one point she she disappeared into the bedroom and she called my name so I went and she's lying on the bed and she's smiling at me and she had her arms out towards me and she said can you tell what I'm thinking and I thought well no because we had a friendship agreement so therefore it could not be anything amorous. She must be tired tired so I apologized for having a true upon her time and I I left and the next thing I know. I'm being texted that. She never wants to see me again. So a friend told me that she was upset because I had rejected her and that I should apologize. I said I have nothing to apologize apologized for. I did not violate the friendship agreement and since I do have a literal mindset. I did not Ciragan. Did you ever try contacting attacking her again to explain. Never wanted to see me ago but did you ever. Did you ever think that maybe you could explain to her in the misunderstanding. That happened. No because she said she never wanted to see me again plus she also says against the rules. Yeah I had a cousin. Rosen explained to me that that that she may not actually have meant that. But that's what she said. And so I I've I've honored IRA agreement and I also respected her wishes and I can't be I can't be anyone of even the person I am. You said that you self diagnosed yourself off as autistic. How did you do that? Okay well I'm a high school teacher. Sometimes we get special education students and special education student will come come with an IEP which is an individual education plan I was given an IEP for a student who is autistic and fought autistic. What's autistic saw? Aw I started reading the paperwork and then I got online to look for more information and as I as I read that the traits traits commonly associated with being autistic I began to think. Oh my God that sounds like May So then I I was. I waited about a year are because I I didn't know what to do. Eventually you know a year came and went and finally when I got my diagnosis it was it was all a a tremendous weight was lifted off. Man I thought now there's actually a neurological reason for why I am the way I ap so then I didn't feel bad about myself so because I am the person I am. How did that feel? It was liberated one of the first thing I did it. I did several things one was. I realized now why I was so stressed out. I was at a large school. I was allowed to Lara. I mean we have like over three thousand students and so I transferred Vertu a small rural school within the same district And then moving away. That was really good. Excuse to say I am moving. It was nice knowing knowing you buy and and so I was able to end the fuel friendships. I had and that's also reduced a lot of stress so I just found it very liberated I you know oh I basically gave myself permission to be a reclusive introvert when I'm not at work. I'm at home when I'm at home. I expect to be left alone so my my cell phone is off. Answer the door. I have a welcome Mat. What's not really a welcome added says go away and you see you're doing the same thing thing that that that my friends have done because he thinks it's actually being serious yes? I don't want you ringing my doorbell or knocking on my door. But but people think it's a joke and it's not a joke. It's not a joke to me. You have friends I have friends. I have colleagues that I am cordial with but no I I would not say I have friends. I have people who tell me that. They're my friends but I really limit my interaction with anyone when I'm off campus. When was the last time you went out to dinner with with other people three years ago? Maybe I do go out to dinner but I go out by myself and I take. I take my my cell phone or take a kindle tablet and I just read you have cats right I do have cats. Are you friends with your cats. Yes yes and some some extent they remind me it's like their autistic also because they love set routines and they don't always listen. Sometimes communicating with them can be a challenge. What are their names? I have an Alpha cat. WHO's on black and his name is Buki boys and I have an Alpha female named teaching There's another female. Called Houma. Cheese brother is hunter. And then I've got a big fat grey tabby named scrappy cap sounds like a good crew. Yes yes actually. Just bought a new house in April primarily to accommodate the cats. Oh Nice congratulations nations. Yes thank you saw thanksgiving. I spent at home by myself with my cats and and Hansel got under Bret A and I I don't mind interacting that way. Yeah so it's it's a way for you to have interaction when you don't necessarily want in-person Company. Yes so I can offer constructive advice that way because at one point I was thinking about all forming an autism support group for this area and then I realized is oh my gosh people are going to be calling me for all sorts of things and I just. I didn't want that it was. It seemed too intrusive. Yeah that's fair. Are there things that you appreciate about being Pistons. Oh yes absolutely. I'm I have a very narrow focus. Very project oriented in fact that's one useful thing about having cats 'cause the cats get a little peeved if they don't get fed and they will tell me so. I may forget feed myself but I never forget to feed my cats because they'll come and get me. I do realize then having having learn more about autism that a lot of us on the spectrum have the prevailing one or more prevailing interest and it was just a happy coincidence but I was able vol- to leverage fish into a career. You know teaching culinary arts. It seems like being in front of a classroom full of students feels like like the opposite of being at home by yourself with cats who also want to be by themselves. Yes you're right and so so visit term that that that is often used by people on the spectrum. It's called masking long ago. Even before I learned I was autistic. In my my mind. I was modeling teacher. I always roleplaying being a teacher. An elementary teacher was one of those odd people. Who would dress up in period? You'd costumes so when I taught fourth grade the age of exploration I would come to school dressed as a rookie. Steel door and handcrafted steel breastplate. 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"I to just And just make sure so Appreciate your time back. We're GONNA throw some stuff around I don't want to keep you too long. So if we get close you just you know you let me know that you gotta go before we go Virtual Beers is kind of what I'm calling this You don't have to have a beer. I'm not tonight But baseball and this originally came up because you emailed me and said hey this really cool tour and maybe the listeners subscribers would want to Want to hear what that tour is like. And and so we're going to give you a chance certainly to That story and how that was for you down in spring training Love Spring Training Stories. I wish we were talking about the regular season because spring training stories. A great win. There's actually Stephen But you've been a subscriber Tom. I gotta be honest. I don't have very many Female subscribers and that's not because ladies aren't baseball fans so I'm curious How is it that I didn't scare you away like you know? I actually like a longtime follower. I don't know I've never been super active. I've been just kind of more. I guess you could say like the longtime listener first-time caller type so I've followed you for a long time. I mean back in the like Kinda even earlier days of the Internet. When they're there wasn't a lot out there as far as Oh yeah definitely pre twitter like inside the park. Well I wasn't so and in fact when I I signed up I don't even. I guess you had to have an account. There is no money involved but at one point I signed up for an account and I remember posting some kind of a message on my name the name I use then was mariners. Gal and I remember you. You set me like a private email saying hey awesome to have you on board. We don't get very many females around and I feel like that was maybe two thousand and three. Wow yeah that would have been right at the start Inside the Park was my thirst for ray into talking about baseball. I'll say I don't WanNa say covering baseball Yeah that was inside the park. May of two thousand three was when I started my buddy Jo Kaiser who are going to get on a on a zoom chat this week or early next week as Is the one that got me into it? And yeah I T P. He'll be happy to hear that that you've been around since inside the park and I remember. Yeah I remember Joe's named too because I think I feel like a lot of people use their real names and I mean he and then there was. You know there were just a handful of like frequent commenters and Yeah there just wasn't out there in I at the time to I lived in La. And I'm actually from spokane and I live in spokane now but I was in La for six years and so it was especially hard like. It's not like I had you know the local paper and You know like I said the Internet was in its earlier days so I was always like scraping to try to find You know mariners new so I think I Yeah I followed followed bad and I kinda followed everything. There was at the time I for some reason I Occasionally would comment or ask a question on yours and then At one point you did you offered up like forever subscription for something and I remember. I did that And then Yeah I guess you know and since then I've just kind of you know followed along I can't really remember what they're was. Obviously prospect insider but yeah and then twitter. And I've kind of gone in phases with twitter. I'm on a pretty long. Now is a couple of years that I've been pretty pretty active in following before that I was kind of off and on for a while and yeah now I mean I just You know I'm I've just been a lifelong hard court. You know. Seattle Sports Fan in Mariners are at the top of the list. You are close second but You know mariners are at the top and now. My kids are old enough to be superintendent as well. And that's why I think I've maybe that's actually why I've gotten so into it lately because my son wants to talk about it he knows all the top prospects he he knows the draft possibilities we even. He listens a little bit with me too. Yeah it's really quick I'm curious how old your son isn't if you WANNA tell us his name you you can you certainly don't have to I'm just curious. How old you stuff? Because that's not something that kids generally get into a lot. They WanNa see Mike and they want to see the big hit home runs and stuff but they don't necessarily pay too much attention to the the younger players that are below the Minor Leagues. That haven't made a name for themselves and the draft is usually NFL and NBA thing for the most part. Not necessarily something kids get into you for baseball right well. So He's eleven donald. Yeah but he actually you know he's just a different kind of kid he he's been very into Since he was little he was like the kid like age. Four that could name all presidents in order and he knew every state capital and all that kind of stuff and he's he's a pretty advanced in like math and that kind of thing so he's really into the stats maximumness stuff. So he's he's always been into it but I'd say the last maybe year year and a half actually honestly probably right about the time the rebuild started is win or pardon me reimagined started was when he He he started really getting into it and he just loves Kalinic like you know in at spring training actually got to. We'll get to that in a minute. But he got a ball from not so yeah so anyway he yeah and he plays baseball too. So he's he's really into the whole thing and it's been Super Fun in my other two kids at my daughter's twelve and she's not as hard core like wanting to talk about it all the time but she really is a good sport about being along for the ride. She loves where her shirt and she loves going to the Games and win were there. She's into it and and stuff in the little one he's eight and he he likes to. He's not he's very different from. That is awesome. It's not as prevalent as it was back in the mid nineties into the early two thousands. Because you know the team was winning a little bit and for the first time and had stars like Griffey and Randy. Johnson usually five questions that I kind of want to get through. We've actually already got two of them. Because now I know you're from spokane You've been a fan for a long time but I'm curious When did it start were you were you young as well and was there a player that drew you to it? All like Griffey did for so many folks even if they're outside the that's what made me think of that question because you said you were in La I have friends that are from New York. Better Mariners fans because griffey right so. I didn't move to La until like after college. So I was already a pretty hardcore fan long before that and I grew up. You know with all brothers and You know boys in the neighborhood so I got into collecting cards and and that was a bit of a tomboy but not like an extreme. I'm you know still pretty girly as well. So it's you know in fact it's funny a lot of my like really good friends. Don't even know the side of me this whole baseball side. And it's such a huge part but like you know they would have interest in talking about it for maybe like thirty seconds if that so yes so I was always pretty into it. You know when Griffey was drafted. I think I was like middle school age late late grade school middle school and I remember like oh. This is really cool. This guy's really good. I don't remember but I remember like we came up like okay. This guy's really good and the but it wasn't Intel probably more like I hate to even say his name because sometimes you know not not everybody likes to hear it anymore but but really a-rod I mean when we drafted him and yes I feel I feel kinda awkward talking about this but yeah it would be drafted a-rod and when he was you know kind of made that that quick ascent to the big leagues. I think that was really the time because it was. You know I was fully invested by that ninety five season and not just the end of it like the full thing I mean you know I watched the I was in high school at the time and I watch like you know the entire thing and The whole season. I don't even think I missed much of a game at that time. But but anyway so it's more I would say that mid-nineties kind of Iraq. Just exciting we've got these two young stars and plus other People Edgar and I always you know I like Tino Mike Blowers and you know really everybody very likeable bunch. Certainly the winning had hoped but it was a a very likeable bunch so early to mid nineties for you totally make sense. You said your son's Guy Is is your chemic- but do you have a favorite young player whether it's somebody young on the on the team now like like Marco or J P Crawford or or even one of the projects. Gm kind of somebody who's sort of latched onto a little bit. You know not really. I've always been like a prospect hugger so I you know I've gotten a little better in my older age here of especially now understanding what they're doing like you know eventually one of these at least one of these guys that we love is probably GonNa get traded at the time. We're ready to compete. You know so that we can get you know filling meter too so I'm trying not to get too attached. I mean it's impossible to not be attached in my opinion to Kalinic. Julio so obviously those those two I mean it's hard to imagine losing one of those guys but no I mean I'm excited about About really everybody I mean. I don't think there's one that jumps out. I mean if there is. It's you know like when we go and have like an actual personal interaction with them like it's training which I think we're going to talk about. That's when I start to get a little more. Like oh he was just so nice. That's when the rule you know the female side we really female sports fan really comes out in. I get more of an emotional attachment and I think most people would when I'm like. Oh but he was just so nice to my kids you know but yeah I get it and that's the beauty of baseball though so those things are important. It doesn't really have anything to do with baseball. But it sends that family home thinking a little bit differently about the game of baseball The uniform the color is the team. And certainly the player. And that's the difference. You just don't get a whole lot of that with the other sports. The opportunities really not there. I mean in the NFL and it could see their faces. That's the beauty baseball. I mean that's what grabbed me as a little kid so I completely understand it. I think that's pretty typical of folks when they tell the stories of you know why baseball's different for them and why they're so big into it okay to non baseball questions really quick before we roll and you have a spring spring training story at least one to tell I'm curious and the reason I'm asking questions like this When you tell your story I want to know a little bit more about you. So I'm going off baseball for this. So tell me who your favorite character from your favorite television show happens to be like if somebody asked me that question. I'd be like totally Michael Scott. He was idiot and but just a great a great source of like as soon as he left the show. It completely changed. I I would go Michael Scott like something like that. You know I my first instinct is to say probably Rachel from friends okay. Do you don't sound very impressed by that. Do you relate to that because I actually. I'm a huge fan An unapologetically I think it's hilarious. How people on social media like to bash friends say it was a trashed. I'll make you go ahead and do that. I own every season on prime. Because I'm not waiting for. Hbo Max like I don't care what you think. I actually look back at that show and think that those actors that the main six just didn't get enough credit for how well they performed on that show for. What ten years from now? Showing an impressive to me. Do you relate to Rachel was just. She was just funny. In Y- I think it was the I think I just love the show so much and you know especially the age I was at when it was on and I just Jennifer Aniston always seemed cool especially back then So that's I guess the one that jumps out but I don't know you know honestly. I'm not very good at answering those kinds of questions when you know like the favorite prospect. I don't I think longmore onto like a group that the named individual did you notice by the way while we're on friends topic that at some point and I think it was like right around season I wanna see somewhere between seasons three and five all of a sudden. Rachel was skinny Israel. I hit like why like seriously that there was nothing wrong with Rachel. She was attractive. She was funny fit. They had the Ross thing and it was like she went out and like when unlike a low carb diet or something like out. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it was Kinda weird and and I always worry that back in the nineties. Man They asked some of those accuracy crazy things. I just hope that we don't ever find out. They asked her right. Yeah we could talk all night about that. We could and we shouldn't do a friends episode for. Oh Yeah so one more than we're going to get your Your Spring Training Stories Do you have a go-to quarantine style snack or meal like for me lately? It's been Chilean rice. I've been just going nuts on the man see again. I'm terrible at this game Well actually what? Here's what I'll say especially because it's something that I don't normally have non warranty but we've been having like movie night with the kids almost every night right because it's just you know we're all here all day and at that point it's like okay. Let's let's do something and it's to the point. I think they're getting a little tired of it. But we're doing it at least at this point at least every other night and we have been having practically every time. You've been having a root beer float while we watch a movie such a good idea it's a classic it's easy to make but you know here's the problem with. Gruber floats for me. I gotTa have the root beer and I gotta have the right ice cream. Because it's just average you'll rubira aboriginal ice cream. I'm probably out right. Well yeah and I and I hear you there. I think I'm Kinda the opposite where I'm like. Okay this is you know. We're all eating way more than we ever have. And and we're bored so we want to bake and there's always stuff around and so I actually switched to the Diet root beer because you know regardless pretty sweet as it is so if you put enough ice cream in it then the diet root beer you almost taste like regular so you know i. I think that that has worked okay for us but it's it certainly doesn't compare to like going. W. or anything. So yeah I would say that's the go to But I am sad that I don't have a better answer for that. No that's a good answer. I like it. That's good All right so you just bring training this year. This is the twenty twenty story and my correct in in in assuming that correct. Yeah okay so Tell us your story. You went to spring training and was able to do something cool when you got something out of it. Yeah we snuck in there just in time so it was nice Yeah you know so I had been there. This was my third spring training visit. But I hadn't been for quite a few years Once back in the can't even really remember exactly what year it was but I I remember it was like the Freddy Garcia. Like kind of around that time. was the first one and It was it was a good experience both times but it was very different this year because my kids were with me right. I've never taken them before. It had just been know myself and my husband and maybe some friends were before so this was exciting. Because you know the kids were excited and you know. We decided that we wanted to do a lot of autographs seeking or just you know. Watch stuff happening on the backfield. So we kind of planned we're in Arizona for a whole week and we planned Really only one or two games but then to go to the facility you know pretty early on those days and then maybe go one other day when there wasn't a game and just kind of see what what we could see you know with it being there being so many exciting prospects. That's what made it. You know really fun like okay. We can maybe see all these guys so so we went and And it was really like you know when we went the corona virus stuff was was starting like I know back here at home in Washington. Certainly on the on the west side where you are It was starting to get maybe more towards serious over here in Spokane. There wasn't really a whole lot happening yet except I remember while we were there. I got the I saw this. I like facebook post of Cosco being out of toilet paper right so it was like kinda starting but like in Arizona. Nobody was really talking about it much. You know we went to COSCO. There was plenty of all that stuff so it was. It was fairly normal down there but We went the first day we went The kids were able to meet quite a few players. And get you know quite a few autographs and get pictures with a lot of the guys and and really every one of them was so nice. I mean You know the ones that. Kinda stand out as being particularly nice to my kids. Were like justice. Sheffield was one of the first ones they met and he was real happy to you. Know to pose to chat for second and Evan White couldn't have been nicer and and Gp Crawford was really great to And he was he was pretty funny joking around and And we saw most you know quite a few of them but there were a few that we you know we we miss so we came back the following day when they're Trying to remember I I think they there wasn't a game that next day and We kind of do the same thing like came. Maybe we can see a couple of these other players and and there's kind of two separate big events that happened here so on one hand we saw that S- Each row was there which is pretty exciting right like you know. Oh my goodness. That's true. Whatever there he is he's just kind of hanging on the field and I had this Jersey that was my Stepdad's from win The All Star game was in Seattle in two thousand one. It says one of those green all surgers use of each rose and a couple of years ago. He gave it back to me and was like. Hey you know if you want to hang this up on a missiles wall or do something with it. I'm never gonNA wear it again and I was like cool. You KNOW IN IN IN MY MIND. I thought you someday. So cool to get that autograph. 'cause we actually went to that game and it's pretty memorable and And so I hit at the last second before we were leaving on this trip. I remembered to throw it in my bag. You never know might see true there and then when we went you know left the rental VR. -Bio for the day to go to the to the facility. I threw it in the backpack. Like hey again you never know so. My daughter handed it to her. And I'm like hey you WANNA little project. I'm like hold this up so true conceited. And maybe at some point he'll come over inside it so so long story short. She stood there and held it up to the fence for. I don't even know how long until she was like certain that he saw it and he didn't run over to sign it but he was kind of in the middle of some right and so then she continued to just every now and again just kind of flash flash it again and then like an hour and a half later when he's leaving that field and and I'm sure some of these your listeners. Your been been there but just for quick explanation. It's on it. They were on that. Not that mean field. That's like impossible to kind of really get it on. But that's that second one. That's right outside the entrance where it's a little more like they have to walk through people to get to walk through fans rubbed off and so he is leaving field. And you see just a huge. I mean there's not many people ever just like every single one of them. Sprinting over to the other side hoping to get an autograph and There's an area for kids. Only and my kids happened to be already standing in it and they get their each walks all the way through and I told her I said if he sees you with this Jersey there is no way he's not gonNA stop and sign it in. She's just has this big smile and I'm sure he doesn't see too many of those and I'm like there's no way he's not gonna see it inside it so anyway he walks by everybody just to get to the turn to walk into to that batting cage area that leads to the locker room and then he turns around and he stops any signs for maybe five minutes if that just for kids and she got the Jersey sign and each actually had his he was the only person who was signing with his own pen. I don't know if he always does that or if he was a little. More aware of the Virus thing it's it's possible especially with him you know being from Asia. Maybe it was a little more on radar but He signed it and then actually just before that J P Crawford we were out of you know I don't know if you if you're much of an autograph seeker have been but we had run out of every ball. We were saving to get like a big name to be. Just the only name on there was gone and so we're like man. What's going to happen if you know we finally see that person were waiting for And and so just at that time My little my younger son had S J Crawford like hey I see there's two balls like right there by your foot in inside the batting cages. And he's like I'll give them to you ever five dollars in Hong Kong. And he gave him some. Those were luckily each no suit. My two boys were able to get eastern assign. Those two balls. They were really beaten up but it was awesome that they had those because otherwise that would have been really sad to you know have signed something we would have just been scrambling to find something so that was really cool. I mean in each autograph is pretty difficult to come by and you know for her to get it on. That Jersey was awesome and then for the boys go to get a ball. It was pretty fun and one of the huge advantages of spring training to you. Don't like Minor League Games. You can get some of those opportunities. But YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT. At a t mobile park he would like wanting to you. Know say million but you know it's pretty much of a long shot to get somebody like Egypt especially before a game because they're just you know it's the one area at T. mobile kind of near that the dugout down the right built Mina. You'd ever get that chance anyway. It's just and there's so many people in generally so many kids down there that spring training provided you know a little bit of an extra shot. Get something like that and it was really cool. That Joe came through. That's excellent. Yeah it was really fun and and you know there were quite a few adult so bumped because he never signed he didn't sign for single and all it was just for the kids and just for a short time but my eight year old came back with his ball he walked. You know twenty feet back to show me. This older Japanese lady came up to him. And was you know? There's a major language barrier but she's pointing at like one of those just a blink white sheets like a lot of people autograph collectors. Like to get underpin and she was motioning like she wanted my son to grab it and go get him to sign it but he didn't understand so he couldn't started started signing his autograph on it is not in credit default story. That is incredible. He's Autograph Beautiful Pretty Great Off. That's exactly what she wanted. Because I would have. I mean he wanted your autograph. You wanted the autograph with somebody who got each rose autograph it you at exactly yeah. I'm sure that's how he sees it. So yeah enroll with that. 'cause that's amazing In spring training by the how. How much You've been down there before. Was this your first time down so it was. It was my third time but the first time with the kids so And the other to the other times we went it was mostly just go catching a game or two and maybe we wandered around the Backfield for a few minutes. But this was like okay. We're invested we're hanging out watching all this stuff for a couple of hours and it was neat too because you know they're doing drills on one field that we're kind of fun for my son to watch and You know there is one of the days it was when Taiwan Walker was pitchy in that game And it was like kind of his first big first outing really since he had resigned. And Man. I'll tell you what. He just looked huge. He looked so big when he came out. I don't know what it was but he just was You know a lot bigger than I remember being. I mean maybe he was five ten pounds more than he would have started the season ad. But he's bulked up quite a bit the last couple of years. Yeah it was actually. It's funny When he was coming up really early nineteen twenty years old. Certainly out of the draft one of the advantages of Taiwan Walker was the The loose athleticism and then he stiffened up quite a bit and there were some scouts. Thought he's bulked up too much so Interesting to to hear that because obviously I didn't get down there All this Kinda came up the the day I was supposed to To fly down there I was actually sick. And and you know how to have a medical issue and then two or three days later you know everything was shut down so I didn't get a chance to see him so it's interesting to hear that you know. He looked kind of big. Like maybe bulked up or maybe a combination of bulking up and maybe shedding somebody. Some winter Some Windsor Way. What you twenty. Four twenty five twenty six is on. It happens in. Yeah definitely not in a bad way. I don't mean this in a negative light. Big Yeah Yeah exactly And then the other is a really cool thing that happened so And this is just kind of want those right place for just once in a lifetime type situations but You know same thing. We're just kind of hanging around. You know you just when you're doing this. There's you don't really know win anybody's coming from any direction you know all about it. Yeah no guess. Yeah and it's tricky. You know you don't know when they're coming out when they're coming back if they're gonNA stop which route they're gonNA take you know what field they're going to and You know so. We're just kind of hanging around and at that point so we had some I three kids. We've gotten a lot of autographs but my three kids. All were still like hoping for their number one person so for my as I mentioned before for my older son it's Kalinic and he was like desperate to get killing it right and then for my younger son it was seger and then for my daughter it was Haniger case. So you know I knew Haniger was going to be a long shot but the other two. We figured we could. We could get but we haven't seen them at all and any of the three and it was kind of disappointed me so we're standing just outside the batting cages. There's like a bullpen area. With offense along it in some some players walk along since to get from the batting cages to the field and vice versa. So we were just kind of hanging near there and Scott Service came walking through and he was all Bam south and there was nobody else around us. So it's just just us and him and You know and so he stopped and my kids were getting him to sign something and we were chatting for a minute and You know in my my little son is like where's Seger. Do you know where we could find seger. And he's like you know I actually gave him the day off today. Which which I thought was kind of an interesting thing to learn so this was coming off of this was the day after their first actual off day where the players had the day completely off so this was the phone the following day and apparently he said that he likes to give some of the older guys that have little kids an extra day sometimes. Yeah so I thought that was really interesting. So He'd given secret day off so he was like yeah. He's not here but you know if you come back tomorrow you'll you'll see them which side note we did and my son got his Jersey autographed and it was awesome. Yeah and and so then my other son is like Jelinek and you know it's like our place we could go wherever you'd be likely to to see him and he's actually he's sick today and we're like man we're over two year and and he's like he should be back tomorrow because then our minds are like oh man like this corona virus thing we keep hearing about is it real this. What's going on Is it from sending often and touchy so and spent but anyway I said he's? He's sick. He's not here and so then my daughter. You know your sweet little voices like what about Haniger. And he's like well you know he's here but he's rehabbing so he's inside and you know he probably won't come out here and I'm like. Oh that's such a bummer. You know and I'm like you know honey. Even for his number one fanny. Probably you know wouldn't come out. And then and then Scott says because you know you see a really big mariners fans in Raleigh. We're huge fans. Because you know what I'm GonNa do something special for you. Give me just a second. I'm going to do something do something kinda special for you guys and I'm thinking to myself fresh. What would he be talking about like? Is he going to go get Hannigan? Bring Him Allah. Is he going to run? You know get us like a bat or something. Cool like that and he goes you know what go meet me over by that gate right there and I'm GonNa just take you inside and give tour whole facility w-what and unluckily because my husband at that point had Walked down a little ways and able to him down to come back because it would have been really sad if he had a missive but he so he made it back Scott. Let's well though if you were like. We couldn't find him so we just went without him. Yes well there's really it's not like you can ask that service to just wait and do a later age. Plus even had a game that day it was they were heading to play. Anaheim on the road and I think they relieving like you know maybe an hour from that time which was another interesting little tidbit I wasn't. We weren't sure if the if there's a game if the players playing in that game would actually be practicing that morning at the facility. Just go but they were there so that was For anybody going in the future. There's a little tidbit that they actually were still at the facility pre-game And it was like a twelve ten start I think so so anyway then Scott takes us into. I actually took a video of a lot of it which. I'm really glad I did. Because we've watched it several times. But so he takes and he shows us like okay. Here's the lunchroom. And you know we've got this cool Salad Barnes smoothie Bar and you guys love it and eat their breakfast and their lunch here every single day food so good and then he takes us into the weight room where there's tons of guys working out in attached to that is the Like the medical ruin their skies. Hot sounders guys getting taped up and In one cool thing that I was nervous they had like an oxygen Pod type thing. There he said players will go into Hope to recover and stuff and that was kind of neat to see that And then he showed us You know a couple different random rooms and stuff and then next thing we know. Haniger walking around the corner and he's in Haniger stopped. Hey Hey y'all do and he couldn't have been nicer signed a couple of balls Two pictures with my kids you know Scott was was really. He had told us before. Like you know we're not gonNA there won't any autographs in here. We gotta make sure that we know we're on our best behavior of that so so we didn't ask or saving but Hannigan knew it and you know and he immediately offered and it was really special because because we never saw his face the rest of the trip you prefer second so So that was cool and then and then right after that Scott showed us his office which was pretty cool. Kids like take a picture. The desk and there was all kinds of cool stuff on the wall and then at one point he was like yeah. And here's where we you know. We have all the Info on kind of players and where they're headed. What we're seeing. Everybody needs like you probably WanNa turn your camera off now and so I did and I was so so like caught off guard during the cameras that barely looked at it which would have probably been the most interesting thing of the whole tour for me and I look back video in the little snippet that I did getting there. It's too far away and you can't really see you know The only the only thing I remember looking up and seeing what's Calderoli at AAA and and it was just like. Oh you know so But it was cool. There's a lot of stuff there. Were a few little hints like it. He had the starters laid out for the whole week. Which I know weren't public yet at that time. And the stuff. And then and then he took him real quick. He's like I can't sneak into the clubhouse because guess I'm going to open the door I want you to see the ping pong table and You know he did. And then he was talking up Kyle Seager as being like the Best Ping Pong player on the team and stuff and so it was just. It was really special. It was like a good ten minutes in there and You know we pass lots of players and stuff. You know While we were doing it and just to see like okay. Yeah this is how it all works and You know here's where they're coming and going and it was. It was just really a cool cool thing to do and we're so fortunate that we were lucky. Ones that that got to do it. That's really cool and it was just kind of impromptu like you know it's not something they normally do service. Did it on his own. There weren't any You know admin representatives hanging around or anything it was just you and Scott Service and then running into the players. I mean that's That's really cool You know one of the things in hearing a story like that if you listen to that story and obviously you lived and you don't think a lot more highly of service than you already did even if you wipe them before like you're not paying attention and again. This goes back to my comment earlier. Baseball's just different. It's just different. You're just you just don't run into those opportunities and you know at the Scott Services of football and basketball. Don't run into those opportunities to do something like this. So it's just the. The nature of baseball provides the The chance to to experience that and the chance for somebody like Scott Service To bring you and your family and that's really really cool. I my opinion of Scott Service has certainly gone north after that story And when you hinted at it in your emails like yeah we need you to tell that story and for folks to hear that story. It doesn't go on told and and more people can learn about it and it's really cool thing that's got service it. I mean that's a game changer. Right there like if that me when I was six eight ten twelve years old. I'm forty six now. I'd still be talking about it. I'd be like way back. When Rela- Lakshman was the manager of the story of forty six? I mean that's just really really cool. It was it was definitely a once in a lifetime type situation. Yeah and and you know to hit there were so many other like little cool things that haven't obviously. I can't tell you everything but I also want to mention a couple other like just just generous things. That happened You know at one point. His it's kind of funny there wanted twins they're wearing their jerseys and you know exactly who they are even if you didn't see the name on their Jersey you know but it's good to be able to see it when there's a whole bunch of them but but then there's days where they're wearing like were practice gear or a Hoodie and sh- outside of the big names the big young prospects. It's hard to really know who's WHO and so My younger son especially he would go up to everybody and ask for their autographs and it didn't matter you know who they were and he he went up to this one guy and you know he's just getting them to sign it and the guy was carrying a bat and he goes here. Why don't you just take this? You need something bigger for everybody to sign because you know your balls covered in signatures which goes back to what I just said. He asked literally everyone and so then at that point. I asked him I mike. I'm like that is so cool. You look what's your name? It was ZAC Livingston. Who is I? Think the manager of the Arizona Rookie team and he gives us new actually belong to The Guy We got for. I think it's Cavallero I've been ahead. Yeah but it didn't. It said his first name on it said Chemo like CHP. Ama evidence real name or a nickname which I thought was fascinating so that was cool. Somebody gave him a that gave him a bat. And then the other the other really cool thing is So the next day when when it was there and my son was trying to get his his autograph and he had actually I wanted to get an decided this ball. I think he'd gotten from him earlier. Son Pal Anyway He's like Oh get you guys on the way back and we're like man. He doesn't look real friendly. He's IT looks really sweaty. Maybe he's still sick and Batali walked up and he's like. Hey I got you covered. I'll take care of it and we were like. Are you serious? He was like yeah. These tussles balls over the fence and so he. We watched him go. Walk over to colonic and I told my son. I want you to watch this happen so that you can still feel like you know you saw that. He really signed it right here and insurance if you watched it he signed the two balls and the Carson came over Tustin backdoor chatted with us for a couple minutes And then the next day we were back so the last game of the trip and Carson walked by and thanks again Carson and he looks up and he walks overdose. He's like hey good to see you guys again. Hey what the lineup card from today. And he just handed it to us and another just really cool memory for everybody. Like that's awesome you know especially as Carson rises through kind of the mariners and and or the League and him in P and. Yeah they're all. It's it's actually talking about that last last week. I think on on baseball things Where you know at some point these guys going to be moving up. They're GONNA be in the big leagues or they're going to be with other organizations so you know enjoy them you know certainly enjoy them now I got that impression from From CV to you know a couple of times he's DM me On twitter to send me in the right direction on something or I think even one time he said thanks for keeping it real mad because there's a lot of bad information out there but what I took from that was In for mere stories is you know while it's certainly someone anecdotal for somebody like me. You're really anybody To point to all the positives that are happening the organization right now in terms of you know future success but the stories that you're telling our real unfactual like good people that enjoy the game that understand You know the importance of of Fan Interaction and you know truly building something. It sounds like you know you get a winning the baseball field and if all that other stuff is already there like the ceiling is so much higher when you have that combination. I you know I can talk about wins and losses but once you get to winning if the folks that are invested in you are invested in you all the way to the ceiling. it's just that much better at it. It's it's that much more special. I was having a conversation with With my buddy Jo Kaiser about this. How differently the next? Winning mirrors team might actually look in terms of where the players come from and how much they had played together in. The minors could look a lot different. But it sounds like in this day and age. So they're actually taking advantage of the opportunities. They have to really help folks such as yourself invest themselves in in the people that are involved in you know when you turn on the television and you watch them you a little bit disconnected but providing some sort of a connection in a link that goes beyond watching players on television. It's really cool to hear him and other glad you're able to come on and and that you wanted to come on and that you had the ideas all your idea wasn't mine To tell that story because I didn't think that's important moving forward especially when you know you've seen me tweet about it. Baseball Major League baseball as a whole. They don't understand what they don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to promote their game they don't know who to promote it to It's amazing they'll either promoted to kids not realizing that the parents need to be involved in this Or they'll promote it to people who have the money which aren't the kids so they seem to go one way or the other but the individuals that are involved seem to understand. It's just really when I thank you for sharing your time and telling your stories You know here You know especially in this this format and this time we had an opportunity to step away from you know Kinda Geeky nece Of the game that we're usually doing baseball things to To tell some cool stories and share your experiences and and I hope folks that are hearing this go. Hey Yeah I wanNA do that too. That's really cool. I want to go down to spring training because when I push Spring Training Cathy. I push it in a different way. This is your opportunity. This is your opportunity to the minor league Kids on the BACKFIELD'S. Kinda separate without huge crowds And that's the draw for me. So that's the part that I share with folks but you know you in a different position with kids and and just trying to get the Fan. Experience that way provides a completely different values Thank you for doing that. Thank you for supporting The podcast as well. I appreciate you following me for a long time and not getting rid of Not Blocking me on twitter. Because I you know I tell folks to go sometimes but I I really appreciate you joining me on Virtual Beers here. The Virtual Beers addition of Of Baseball things and I hope things are going okay for you in quarantine that everybody stays safe and at some point we get baseball back so we can continue to do our thing. Yes well thank you. It was my pleasure. It was fun and like I said I've been following you for such a long time. It's kind of strange to actually be talking with you now but But no I loved being part of it and I you know I love the show and You know on my own little quick mention about this show is right now. I just cannot get enough drafts talk so if you're ever looking for a way to sell some time you. I'm hoping your default will be draft. I I don't care if it's speculating on who. They might taken rounds four. I love it. Well here's what you just did okay. I'm recording as soon as we get off your record baseball for subscribers. I you literally just added draft talk to the to the menu. I love and I'm GonNa Throw one day about you too because it goes right along with Spring training but as we were leaving the backfield's on our very last moment there in Peoria. We saw Sam Carlsen walking from one of the fields to another. We stopped and chatted with him. Another kid couldn't have been nicer and we talked. You're just a minute about his younger brother. That's a senior in high school this year. And named I think Max Carlson and you were just like hey are you. Do you think the mayor's will take your brother. And he was like man. I don't know it'd be awesome but there's still wanted thirty chance and I don't. I don't really know how MAC's profiles if he is. You know if the draft five rounds if he looks like somebody would get drafted or not but anyway I was meaning to to send a question and ask you what you thought of him so here. I'll just ask you live in in math tomorrow. Carlson absolutely all right cool. We'll get that in and propose that a little later this evening and Enjoy thank you for the support. Really appreciated Thank you for everything that All the stories you told their big value here. A lot of fun Virtual Beers. I pretended to drink a beer this whole time. You were telling those stories so it worked really appreciate African right.
Can Trump Save Kentuckys Republican Governor?
"And checking your scorecard won't hurt your credit learn more at discover dot com slash credit scorecard limitations apply this episode is brought to you by discover get your free credit scorecard today even if you're not discover customer it includes your Fico Credit score limitations apply Dan and can't tell us about the national mood I'm Mary Harris you're listening to what next stick with us Bevin has spent the last four years fighting for his vision of conservative government when teachers flooded the Capitol building last year to protest changes to their pensions. Now you can get help on your own time and at your own pace schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat or text with your therapist better help has licensed yeah I and lots of other political watchers and Kentucky are really eager to see what happens in this election I mean there's another adjective we could use which is trumpy I think there's contingent of supporters who just really Jerod help them assess your needs and get matched with a counselor you'll love that's better help dot com slash what next if you aren't happy for any reason you can request one at any time at no additional charge best of all it's a truly affordable option what next listeners get ten I think that he would embrace that title really who says his governor is combative he's talking about the way Matt Professional Counselors who are specialized in depression anxiety navigating family conflicts and so much more anything you share with the counselor is confidential calls better help online counseling is there for you you can connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environment it's really convenient if you read about him a lot of people use the word mean mean yeah I mean it's kind of synonym for the same thing bevins said they had a thug mentality Bevan's suggesting that he needs to not teachers out in order for their own good because I think the Democratic Race is there anything that's interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goal that about him they're both salesman they they both can really captivate a room You know they are I think both really think of themselves as the smartest guy in the commit to the Commonwealth in my profession and you know it rattles around my brain from time to time but I think it's more of a red badge of courage than anything as a nation and it was really shocking to watch I do think it would be possible but at what price at what price I wonder if you remember that speech the head for president trump but on the ground rylance sees this race a little differently today on the show we're going to talk about what Kentucky Central Election where he was warning about what could happen if trump wasn't elected do you think it's possible that we'll be able to survive that would we ever be able to recover home it's funny you said there he thinks people like this combative style I guess he's about to find out if that's true percent off of your first month with Discount Code what next so why not get started today go to better help dot com slash what next simply fill out a question so Bevan has always been aligned with trump and we found this video of him from back in two thousand sixteen before the press in one word what word would you use combative Ryland Barton is the State House is he beatable especially after this campaign rally Bevan held a few weeks back there is this one rally that you've talked about before this Kentucky Governor's race political operatives have been keeping an eye on it looking for early indicators when Governor Bevin show what retrieve liberty needed to be fed with the blood of Patriots and it was pretty shocking and he was governor at the time that was the thing that really stood out to me he wasn't just campaigning watered with the blood of Patriots from time to time and he was saying that if Hillary Clinton were to win than the country might once again be in such a time in which the vence to it today in a statement was every time he opens his mouth he can't help it it's a disaster like literally that's what they said and it is it is eight eh he's refused to talk to reporters claiming that they're claiming that they like actually worked for his his opponents There was this one time where he called me and embarrassed doc right he's been known to stoke the flames it's something he's done a lot but now his approval ratings are low and it's got Democrats wondering reporter for Kentucky Public Radio that's so good that's silly grab award early in and right now governor Matt Bevin is up reelection that's coal country that's a huge block of voters that president trump has really tried to rally around symbolically and yeah I remember that he was referencing that one of the old revolutionary fellows and you know he has quote about that the tree of liberty needs to be a place where the Governor Bevan's folks figured that Donald Trump's son trump junior would be able to bring a whole lot of folks out of the woodwork for a rally on Governor Bevan's behalf where it was supposed to be splashy Don Jr. was in town and it was supposed to be a big event for Matt Bevin but it didn't work out as expected I I would about I would say a little over one hundred people showed up and it was so it was a pretty a pretty big empty hall for you know one of the most prominent knee wonder if you could tell that story but tell me sort of what it told you as a reporter who's been following him for so many years so this was out in Pineville which is Far Eastern Kentucky reliable not many people expected Bevan to become governor in the first place had never held elected office before his Democratic predecessor was really popular so when Ryland season empty stadium like this one he started thinking maybe this race is up for grabs on one side we're wondering well governor Bevin has been trying to make not too many people showed up it was a bit of an embarrassment for the campaign Ryland says the thing about covering politics in Kentucky is at polling isn't that public figures are one of the most prominent surrogates for president trump. Those must have been terrible pictures for the newspaper yes well there weren't too many people there covering it so they had this who is in the middle of the day I believe on a on a Thursday and late August and they rented out this huge Arena Appalachian wireless arena and Democrats that has really started voting Republican in recent years but especially with Governor Bevan's comments about teachers there's been some questions as what sure Eastern Kentucky stays in his camp because eastern Kentucky is this historically democratic leaning region you know New Deal Franklin D Roosevelt era or not Bevin has been able to keep those eastern Kentucky Inns in his ten back when Bevin was first elected a lot of people paid the state because it'll show us what happens when a deeply conservative person takes control of state that has been implementing these policies that are pretty democratic so can you just explain what happened Kentucky was the poster child for the Affordable Care Act are uninsured rate went from over twenty percents down to seven percent governor Bevin campaigned on on doing away with the Medicaid expansion and scrapping the you know state exchange he's for the people in Kentucky in terms of expanding Medicaid in terms of establishing a local exchange doing all the things at the Obama administration would have wanted and attention to what was going to happen in Kentucky because before he was there there was a democratic governor who did everything in his power to make the affordable care act work me is is that my understanding is that he could get rid of the Medicaid expansion with the stroke of a pen but he has not it shows how volatile being in order to keep their benefits that's been locked up in federal court for the last couple years so it hasn't been implemented we still have the Medicaid expansion well the interesting thing it was largely seen as a success but of course it was also a state that was trending Republican and folk sort of looked at it as a lab like let's watch MS centrally the big part of that waiver is to impose work requirements on most Medicaid beneficiaries that requires them to prove their working or in school or volunteers a whole lot of political repercussions or at least a whole lot of fear of it I think we saw the same thing in two thousand seventeen with the attempt to repeal and replace Obamacare Republicans got money right yeah it's a cost savings measure he says that the state is able to afford it he proposed one of those waivers to tinker with the Medicaid system we get very little our pension is our nest egg we don't get so security we don't get paid a lot but we get a pension and when they mess with your pension there somebody's trying to undo those benefits than there's going to be great outcry from voters but there really hasn't been too much you know whether it's been the State House elections we've had right you know there there are some local reporters there I happen to be one of the few people from the State House that came out to you know see how eastern Kentucky would roll out for Governor Bevin and yeah hard to park it's hard to just loud the whole time but it's you know fascinating to watch pensions are under attack what do we do pension benefits governor Bevin has doggedly tried to trim how much the state spends on them for those pensions impact teachers who have st backlash but that Backlash Ryan says he's not seeing it because a lot of the benefits are still there for now this is something that you oh close but it didn't happen because of that that very same thing one they had to go through reconciliation but then to they're so worried about the and I think that that's basically that the the affordable care act set a political bar for coverage that politicians really can't try and lower without while this issue is that he is saying one thing but acting another I think it does tell us something important about what the issue healthcare is like right now in America the two of them since governor Bevan's been elected and WE'VE had a couple of congressional races this is not really played but there has been an outcry over something else I think it's something like twelve lawsuits if the Democratic candidate for governor has a bunch of lawsuits against the Republican candidate for governor it sounds kind of he is not apologized and he's just kind of doubled down on it and teachers have just only gotten angrier and angrier and so again this is kind of the big question whether or not the thing illusion of of just her name even from anything in there and then it turned into these lawsuits dogs he compared them to drowning victims saying you need to hit them over the head and drag them to shore because they don't know what's best for them and he's been unabashed about it so governor Bevin has been talking about conservative talking points but it sounds like he's run into a lot of opposition from voters and roadblocks and I wonder how his at the state exchange but he never did away with the with the Medicaid expansion which is actually the thing that most people have gotten coverage through and Kentucky and this is basically the same the democratic attorney general and a Republican governor but what it's meant is that any Beshir's just sued the governor throughout their administrations at its aged sick outs and made regular appearances at the Kentucky General Assembly so teachers you know they came out and mass thousands of teachers have showed up on Weei days in the middle of the school year to protest some of these bills that have been taken up in the legislature. It's pretty remarkable it's hard to it's hard to walk around the capital it's things Bevan is done and how he's talked whether that's something that will flip people low they'll get people to start voting Democrat in some of those rural parts of the state four million Kentuckians out of four point four million are on Medicaid itself plus tens of thousands of people who are on the exchange programs you would figure like I did when he got into office was removed Andy Bashir's mother Jane Bashir from a from one of the Kentucky Horse Park Board it's been shrewd when it comes to social issues Wedge Issues Bevan wants voters to focus on impeachment abortion immigration illegal immigration. You'd think would really be a big thing that motivates people to go out to the polls because such a large percentage of Kentucky's are on Medicaid it's like one point four Bashir would allow illegal immigrants to swarm our state
I'm A Celeb: Castle Inn, I Will Survive and Jay Rodriguez
"Hello and welcome to help my sex. My boss says i'm a celebrity. Get me out of here normally. Not something something doesn't feel right. I did not miss music. Let's change it. Hello and welcome. Help sexy by pollsters. I'ma celebrity get me out of here. Normally this is the balkans where jordan and i help you. Navigate the challenges of modern life blue. And we'll get back to that once. Jordan has let this is the official home for those who wish to get behind and support him during his time away on primetime television. Now we've all done so well so far but we still cannot give up. Your country needs eugene. Divas say pleased. Everyone who can vote five times on the free. I'm a celebrity ad for jordan. Please do that don't delay. Let's let him stay. I'm william hansen usually etiquette coach and author. I'm more privy council jordan's more privy cleaner weeks of torture and dignity and mind numbing boredom and nearly at an end until we reach that point. We welcome once more producer. Ben hi guys and how are you today very well. One thing in this intro to to pull you up on she on the phone Love the. I will survive vibes from last night over say. That's the song that you're singing before we started With me could have been joking there. Maybe that's the over myself off. See you didn't quite have that level of of humor. You could say the actual thing i wanted to bring up was that you're still not saying i'm a subsidy. Kept me out of here. And i feel i've let myself down. I let the gene davis by not putting you up on this more often. I'm a celebrity. Get manager here. it's not right it's it is you. It's not you watch this program. Now we watched seventeen additions of imus up to get me out of head and you're still saying here like a dip thong dick for in this context. It's a. I don't know what the word is. Song is what you're trying to say a moment film. Yeah of course experience to those. So i think along with the pickety asking for a lot with epoch. We'll come onto that more later You've got to say it. If we get the end of the week you'll do it place because it's you enjoy. Can we pick between whether onto a picky tea. Or i do it. No this is me asking for a further favor this exchange. It's not kiosk lead win. I'm not giving you anything in return. Just give me two things. And then i'll be happy so you get my happiness instead of some jelly babies. Whatever they get from kiosk clinton right. Well okay that's fine coming up later i'll be chatting to can i've i've i've got one more thing on the soft close low. Sorry i know it's a long list either so we had a stroke out tonight and we didn't. We didn't need to patent with soft close lou chance but let's go for it. Well it turns out. I do have a soft close lid and didn't know i didn't have never closed so i just wanted to. That and my girlfriend sets me. I i also think that we should start closing to flush and she said to me when she listens to cast. It doesn't go band. You tit so i thought you'd enjoy that use of words on the podcast coming up later. Are we changing to footie star. Jay rodriguez they won't be quite people to see and wanting to few trials now. I think he's a few for well so we could see another one now. We'll raise hourglasses to something. That jordan now has in common with both ben and i six packs two six packs banks for those. That maybe haven't seen me in any facials on social media. Seen us on tur-. I am six foot. Four beautiful blonde half full head of hat very very strong. Chill joy line high cheekbones and rippling six pack and very pert. Bottom william. you're describing me. But you said that you were describing yay confused anyway. Let's just the competition mentioned quick. I don't want to waste any more time because there was a little jordan. Graham how i get behind jordan. It's the same as every day. The prizes is provided by the photo bartenders. Okada uk and all details remain. Scrums over there and you know what to do. Let's get on with the shot because there is a lot about a lot to chat about another double addiction. We will come onto that. We started the show entin deck said they were tired. Well that they want to do a daily podcast. Nothing that's all. I'll say we're out through night. They probably didn't rock up to work until i on eight pm do a couple of rehearsals go. Life finished Finish this show do trial. Go to bed easy peasy. He's a but whatever then off shane. Bev went to do the castle in challenge where they basically just had to hook some pub signs in the right order that was crucial because they won the ability for all of the candidates. While not all rashly. Because then this was before bevan. Victoria voted out the remaining ones to go to this castle. In and have pub grub which we've come onto later because all sorts of scenes happened that the interesting thing about that costing challenge full. Bevin chang is. I did not see a second of it because i was just excited about what you're gonna. Pops is tweeting out images and videos as quick as i told him in the pub and one of them. I don't know if you've seen it. Yes you often. Don't check the twitter of your import. Podcast which i find quite weird but there is a video there of jordan chasing to william in the pub just saw. I was probably haven't seen this because you weren't invited. So this was the night where jordan. I went on a on a night out. We had some drinks and we went to a live another life. Podcast mention any names. And i think quite annoyed in the end. Because you didn't get the invite. Yeah so we filmed the video jordan chasing with guinness to camera. Saying to william so you can go back and watch that few on by just bring up just just mentioned it to yeah just to say i appreciate the gesture even who incorrectly put two at the front of the taste which are not really supposed to do but there we go is fine. I'll go back and watch the video before they went to the council in we saw some lovely vignettes jordan joined in with jason dance tutorial. They would they do basic box step. Which is critical. If you're going to do the waltz and that was nice interrupted by by bevan chain coming. Back and jordan started to do his producer. Ben voice absolutely person. Do you think he was. It was cut from the show if he did but do you think he said the voice. I'm doing is actually inspired by our producer. Ben maybe in the back of his subconscious. That was that was thought for cockney producer. Bent doesn't come off as you've heard in the podcast is there especially on talksport. But it's podcast. I ain't going on talk. Spa is available. Wherever usually since your podcast. Can i do the you. Can i ask you to say this joint at the end of your leg. Attention your leg in your foot together. My ankle says again uncle on co anchor. My ankle ankle. Yes there was. There was jordan needs to work on that. Maybe we get him back with gary miami data and sort of get gary to teach him how to do an authentic cockney accent yes because you allocution to you too can do any accent you name. It can do. Is he like copied jordan on zoom course pre bizarre. Okay yeah i mean. I'm sure he'd appreciate that. I'm still saying instead of dole. Do show that you're not that larry grayson was from from burnley on the in there and then and then the biggest revelation that came just after jordan chain wind up to To the bathroom wearing that. Little togas. Looking like frankie. How up pompeii bendon. Bala tells me will that is You'll probably get sent his right next week in the post tigers which i hadn't really sort of close before. But then they took those togas off and jordan started showing off his body. He was amazed to find that he had well he well. He is calling a six pack of us. If you've been away for while the vision starts to go you censor judgment and you start calling you. Stop pretending things that bigger than they are which is as well and and jordan started to think that that was. That was a six pack. I think he looks in good shape. He did look in. good shape. Looks back in better shape than may least then. We saw bev and victoria leave and it was very emotional. Seeing we saw more of what we got the other night jordan saying goodbye to bear giving her big hug and then he did sort of well up e cried. A bit hang. Yeah it was. It was that was. I mean i. It's sad to say back in a way it's nice to say because what it means is that he's made a really close friend and i think we we probably haven't seen that relationship to its fullest from the editing of the last few episodes because there's so much to get through on the program that you don't get everything they've clearly still got that bond. We saw that from from bev oversee saying that she wanted jordan to win when she left him. We saw last night. When jordan was hugging adrian sort of struggling with the fact that she left but the good news is is that he'll be out of the cost to decide. It's tough for these days. But he has made a friend ferrall. If i'm sure and that is going to be good. When he's back at least talking to bob if not with that and as normally happens with with no tony this podcast but with you go from a deeply emotional tender moment into jordan talking about bleeding nipples which again you know. He's reciting things content from this podcast. But you know that's fine. We recycle the o. J. from time to time or anecdotes and however what was what was fascinating. Gene davis as. I'm sure you will picked up on. Is that when jordan's told us that story. In series five there was a critical brand of plaster or type of design of plaster that he added into the story which is probably true which was that the plasters that he put his nipple where dora the explorer. Now he left. That will detail out of talking to the lancet. Course why you've got an economy jordan in front of olympian sir mo fowler. Mb opiate say the is using or the explorer plasters. Can you imagine what shame would it on would shelf it. You'd been onset bed line down next to him being. Did you hear what jordan accent is. Courtney did you hours plastics. Inge way ankle fan clan coz plasters on it. Plasters plasters night. Obviously amongst friends in the gene davis new and He can share door the explorer detail. Great we got an exclusive. Someone sal the newspaper. If he's happy talking to two we lands around it. I don't see why he's he's not happy talking to to those lands. Whatever we'll move on in they went into the call in for their for their rewards are obviously they depleted number as bevan victoria didn't manage to To stay in the competition. Long enough to enjoy this and jordan's reaction to pump food and guinness was well. It was the site of a whole. They were all very excited jordan in particular. Because that's the only way that that could have been better as if it were picky. T on top of what they were being served. Well i mean. I when i saw i thought that has since i mean which say do knows pages beautiful but i guess the reason why had guinness into jin domon. We've actually worked for ourselves in the recording of this podcast is that they can't get hold of bonner now we've drained the nation if it had been if it had been maybe a few weeks ago. A few months ago into bona was in was in supply around the nation. Then that's what would have been waiting for. Many would have been overjoyed instead. He had to go for a second choice. Which was a guinness. Look very happy i would actually love to oversee. We've mentioned the fact that the camp mates. We're not to the up or see you william. You're not allowed to the problem which she must be absolutely gutted about. So it's been tough lucky. In that sense. I did get told. Actually i did tweet out the camp mesa the only people in the country that out pub which is a is a mistake because there are four different nations in this country and wales. You're allowed to pub- Which explains the makes out to go to the pub. So i'm sorry to well. She you issuing a corrections twitter tweet. 'as that soul that i think laura spotted that so apologize. I got it wrong ryan's kind well. We'll just we'll what you just think before you tweet please. I literally nauseous. Tweet tweet tweet jordan. When when he went into it into the into the palm. I think we had a slight camp gang. Jordan came out that not quite so much in the voice but certainly in the mannerisms looked bitter. He looked a little bit like that famous painting. Scream he sort of walked in with his hands on his on his face that famously campaign painting eighties acting But he he had the mannerisms. That's what i'm trying to say and you know it didn't it very much became less camp from that moment. All because jordan picture a very manly song to them sing as expected to one of my favorite songs of all time. I like to feel the he was seen for me. I will survive. Laurie dana and it was he was. He's got a beautiful voice. I think i'll agree the best voice out of consideration and yeah it was. It was a lovely moment. It was it was a happy moment. I felt happy for jordan. I felt yes. We've wizard of leaving him in this episode in a good place. He still hasn't had his treat from home which is winding up. Just give him that. Treat from home but yeah it was it was. It was a nice moment. We go traits at home. So it's time for him to get his treat from home exactly and then russell and jessica another double of action were withdrawn. Can i just say about an in deck if they listen to this college do annan dako dara this. Ta why is jordan. Never the first person that they say. Why did you leave it until a moment in the run of celebrities the it could it could be jordan. It might be you know doing i jordan. It's not you good right. My heart's okay. Yes to leave it for a few we doing we doing well. If it changed tomorrow. We know that they listened. I can't light thanks. Thanks now we we did promise. We have promised we did the other. The other night we promise to swap out jordan's joke of the week for your joke. Gene divas anyone's joe. You can submit if you leave us a five star review on itunes who just today's effort come from ben. It comes from caramel pumpkin cupcake. Which isn't the joke. The joke is to come from the yorkshire cupcake family. Which which family of cupcakes. I have no idea. I mean that the joke is pretty crude. So i probably should get on. Heaven's a guy wind did. The baker have brown hands. I regret this. Why because he needed a visceral like it. We'll be back after this sanitary break. Tis the season to be catching up on your favourite. Cw shows see why everyone's being charmed by star girl. 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Plus only the good stuff. This is an introduction to the podcast gets a flavor for your neighbor parent over the fence when things have gone with the most outrageous tales of your next door fails. The time has come for you to listen to score next door. My name's rich williams. Joan school next door is our brand new. Podcast you're gonna hopefully a bit more than you love. Your neighbors says a new episode every wednesday search for us wherever you listen to podcast find out. What all the footage about. If you do your neighbors you might as well listen to the people that hitler's and we've back and says here. I'm so excited for my pinky. Chill on friday if jordan gates into the final. Yes i'm not really. We've agreed yesterday that you that we're going to meet in the middle. Said we discussed that of podcast and we did the now we saw. I think we need to start putting together. So do you know what's in your freezer current night because i am imagining. Maybe so of like boring soup. Probably some sort of like potato soup. Squash soup is in there. Probably some sort of meat so some burgers right well. Some meet bows the whole point of a pg. I think is just as clear your freezer. Isn't it sort of. Maybe you're gonna defrost frost. Your freezer and other data needs to get things out of their knowingly. I did cross my of the other weekend. Those at one just a bit of color about my life so i not actually quite well stop at the moment but i currently have half chopped. Banana frozen is very good for smooth is oh the comebacks where like that. Yes indeed heim potassium. i've got frozen. Blue brisk frozen strawberries frozen. Lemons frozen lime pre cut. Because then you can just pop in eugene de origin tonic and it sort of a bit like an ice cube as well back to master chef. Jamie davis what else got some turkey mints. I've got some very high protein chicken burgers for my so. We're right on the bogus okay. None of that suits a picky t. And there has been a bit of animosity. And i it happened when i i did my picky say i. I'd have stuff in my freezer on to be completely honest i. I'm not picky man. i'm not i. I wasn't born a picky team. And like jordan was so i had to buy in and that was a grief there l. commented on instagram. Saying well in the spirit of a picky tae. It shouldn't be bought in it should be. What's their you really. Think we want to be having william on friday night. Just have some frozen banana and a chicken burger. It's a very odd combination. That's entertainment what's entertainment. Jane davis. I'm sorry but i'm passionate about this. Now is getting william into an ice land as he says and buying some potato smileys. Some sausage rose. Some corn beef bikes. Not doing anything with kobe. So when i went into iceland because this is what's called off at mentioned was the was the columbia which i found larry's waking shed says you can have a colby pay not for me. I can't be which is around the corner. That's the problem. Scarlet in iceland they stock corned beef. Bakes from greg's official. So you could have one of those anyway. So that's the next thing but we do have to sort a list because what is in your freezer currently. It's just not good enough to do that later today. On our podcast we have. We have burnley striker. Jay rod as an actual premier footballer. Everyone oh my god big big big big fan girl in the form of producer. Ben ben i am going to. I am getting some help with this interview. Like i can carry toner. Fine we found common ground tony blackburn. Basically with the same person one's a great radio broadcaster. The other ones are former king of the jungle. I will have to wash. i will have to need your help with is just a few things to find some common ground with britain. Britney the questions that that's all good. We've we've got that. Just a bit of an instruction for william. There might be some people that are not aware but bernie strike ituri guy so he plays for jordan's team during a big fan of jerry. I know that. And he is managed by sean dinesh. So he's been mentioned on the podcast as well. But he's he's the burning manager. So you sean dodgers don't you him. Yes he's he's the he's the person in the future frame the jordan onto. Yes sir. Here's sean duchess's manager and also we obviously heard on snapchat. Happy place have replaced her more. So bernie platter more and thank you. I'm just ex. I'm just making everyone's in the know because not everyone knows. Football is that problem and then all the interesting thing is. Why was that a couple of days. After this happy place i have more bernie then played at terminal and they won't so that's just the context for the interview. That must have been a turnout for the books. I didn't write that in the questions. But you could sign up right okay. Let's let's get on with their hallowed j. yes. I'm fine thank you now. How do you think jordan's catching on the call safe. I think is doing really well. He's a come across that down to the trials on gave his grit Home please from because this is what's been your jordan highlight to date taking for me. The highlight a burst out laughing moss when he was sick of the cliff. Because i was thinking oh my god. He's going to be a long long long a series for him. But i fear. But i give any of that and it was a really happy for him so fast and being sick is the yes. I think have been so many but vomiting signed the cliff before it even domino thing got god bless him and then obviously the other most iconic moments is happy place. Happy place. Turf moor your. What was your reaction to jordan in the viper volts. At shouting tiff. Moore's snakes cruel. David him he's really and it was a being Led head to mall anonymous liberties. Not something you'd probably think it was really the whole thing of how scotty wasn't marlboro down to go through. This is clearly. If you were in a vote with snakes cooling you would think he turned more sort of calm you down would actually you. Don't we both as in the first place. I think it depends on. If it's winning three. I think maybe my calm you down you know. And it's difficult game. Is maybe combat down. No okay well. Yeah faranoff now. How burnley your your other football lance rancher to. It's unbelievable few of you have met jordan Yeah that's right. yeah. I think bambi. Dj bemis third thank. You was in him early. On in the season we didn't interview together A fly so yes. I think everyone behind him in the squad people. Nothing wanted a few more trials now. I think he's the the nephew for while so we could see the one thing. Yes exactly we need. We need to get him during a few trials. Am i believe you've had a ripping a happy place is obviously you know belly accident in hidden. Happy place you know this this style asking say especially when jamie carragher disaster after the game we win the give the yes mr. The online to use a bit all critical. Nice older than i think is widely read The banks in berlin. I think he's done imagine so. It's all credits him. And i think that proud of him he'll he'll be so style happy when he he it comes out and realizes what's happened to you. Know i'd be brilliant. I think say credit to him lies is a greg guy down to with nothing in being on bassett side. I think you'll you know. But the asked him to contend about what he's done software so now j. Sitting down i can. I can see that. I'm just gonna tell you something that might shock. You say. brace yourself okay. I'm not a natural football fan or really yes. Good i jonnu. If you got that. I know i am bitter land. But i'm not so i'm going to ask you. Thanks for that off. I'm gonna ask a couple a couple of things now. That made no sense to me. But i think might make sense to you. All eyes were on turf. More ahead of the crucial tie against roy hodgson's crystal palace. Yeah did you feel any pressure to make sure it was a happy place last monday. Yeah y- was know every game now in premier league's a big pressure game. And i think that will was definitely a half months to to get through the three prices. You pull them but yeah definitely definitely pressured pressure games. An eight minute zane. You slotted the ball through chris. Words offer a mistake in the palace. Bank line yeah. Would he managed to smash into the back of the net. How much of a happy place was tough. More of that moment it was it was it was a stream happe- toge- against pilots and you know to look out and get the win with with definitely helpless afterwards seen good you see you see knowledgeable in the football football will. Yes thank you. I'm getting their jordan yours. You mentioned back then that you were about happy place on sky sports by jamie carragher go down with the lance. The largest lot had enhanced colleague. You said it in just having About a lot saying on against say are obviously you just have to said enough innocent of interns of said on live on tv adopt to say to circus act. Exactly one of the last things jordan did before he went off to wales was interview. Sean dinesh now has you'll get the ever mentioned our jordan. A a yeah. I think we've mentioned him. Obviously do really well chatting about everyone watches it masterful at a team of all talk to buy and instead i will do and i think it's just a thing you talk about the before you commence is definitely got mentioned. So if it wasn't laughing he will he will. I mean he's jones zipping. Fan of sean dinesh and actually when we went on a poster her in in january and i think that the one before that last year as well very different kind of terse a footballer jordan had on stage a framed photograph of mr dinesh a stage next to my framed facial graph of princess margaret. How do you think you'll boss would react to being on stage with her royal highness. I think he'd like jordan. It will be harnessed conducting combined. The yes no. I think he's so you know i think you'll enjoy it. Said is definitely exactly it is. That's the attitude your your on your from burnley to. I visited burnley for the first time last year. Jordan took me round. We went to the big window pop really yet. The burnley minors social clump office bakery. Turf mall obviously If i ever return to burnley if they allow me back in else do you think i should visit. I think you're gone. The men places that you know. Twenty pizza get into the miners digital jordan jordan. Yeah i think that the places to go walking running the the probably not take smacks Indie town years smacks. Sounds a bit violent j. I don't i suppose guys it's not. It's not violent hopefully not but jordan Music and used to go in here today play reach. Clump sevens manx maybe Maybe she asked the request. I think a multi shirley the quite so by moving out. Do the other thing that we're trying to arrange for when i come up is the joyous saturday afternoon on the turf i wonder if some underwear send you. Love it you know. Is it a good laugh Yes against alabama and Hoste i've got one on the job one of them. I have yes in the minors halt name. That's that's a have you ever had and bonnie okay so this is the thing. So did i introduce this jordan. Way back at the start of this podcast series. So see geneina what it is. Bonnie is a fortified red. Wine is like a much lighter. Port it we over ice with a slice of orange or lime and you to bounce to bonnie one part so is it is a little bit of a. I've had a really bad day drink. That's how i used to view it. A there's nothing to soften it but it's delicious. It was a favourite of the queen. Mother's it's quite hard to find now especially now that we've made it so popular but a ged is very good. Nice era def. Yeah ago. And when i come up too early next time we can go for gene diaz l. definitely hundred percent can get the monitor. Been getting together agenda out fly. I'm sure they will. Yes get you down for the now. You are an ambassador for pendle signed hospice alongside jordan. What the tennessee mean to you. And why does it mean so much. Obviously so which ferry in a helps families locally in towns in need. And i feel that the provides the know the best and went through myself recently granddad and i just couldn't you know thank. This stuff is for the help i think ever o. Spoke about it said the same thing. So that's ninety seconds. Jordan feels the same way to help bendel sides is was the least you can do but i still grab people. It means a lot to allow people. Will you know lasted anything we can detail will always i will bet fan. We've got our shirts on the way of your t shirts per valuations. Want to find out how to donate to get their own t shirt. Banner producer will down the details. So people can do it do that now. J. as a footballer. You must have very strict diet Yeah yes it yeah. We are pretty strict. Maybe on a after a game you can eat. Maybe what you want in terms of needs to get as much energy after again so we can. We can pay strict. So do you have a treat yourself after game. Two a picky picky titi. Yes yes some picky bits. An mississippi tickets and we just got some random bits. It could be a little bit to chinese food and indian picky bit sickness mantle cultural. Because whatever in the supermarket the time we set the bits and you go you see. I'm being basically forced if jordan is in the final on friday produce advantage forcing me to have a picky. 'cause i've never had. We didn't have them in the south. So i've got nothing in. The freezer is not what i think. Ben thinks it is jordan. We very proud knowing that. I have now. Picky advice from jay rodriguez south mestizo the mass him and asks you see. Thank you jay gould iceland. Yeah grateful that you know finally can we have a good luck message. Our jordan under his. And yeah google jordan. Making a proud and keep doing what you think. You've been great. So far. And i i really do you in definitely definitely go well jenny thank you very very much. It's been a pleasure to talk. Honestly say you are the nicest football i've ever spoken to thank you while he's smoking to correct you. I think if i spoke to a lot more others you would still be really enjoyed it and if you like. J. would like to continue to show your support for jordan please do he has come this far. So let's get him a little bit further every day counts if you're able please vote for george using the icbm. Or however you wish to count your votes. Ben and i will be back tomorrow for another installment of our daily. Get behind jordan tapes. Portugal's thank you for listening gene divas. It's goodbye from me and it's by guys from him one for mom and one for me. Hey beautiful all beauty invites you to see the joy this holiday season with top gifts for everyone on your list including you discover great last minute gives like menial shuttle pallets from juventus place fragrance sets from plenty gift cards and more shop in store online or try picked up today also beauty. The possibility is beautiful.