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GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 114: Betsy-Tacy Revisited

GSMC Book Review Podcast

31:04 min | 2 years ago

GSMC Book Review Podcast Episode 114: Betsy-Tacy Revisited

"Yeah. Beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to call her putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Golden State media concepts. Bring you book review podcast by haven for bookworm of all ages, and the whitest genres from mystery to memoirs romance to comedy, fantasy to Sifi. If you look to read, this is the podcast for eve. It's the Golden State media concepts, book review podcast. Hello, and welcome to the g. s. m. c. Booker view podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. Mine is Sarah, and I am happy to be with you here on this Thursday for another episode of the podcast wondering how your week is going. If you're having a good first week of October, maybe enjoying some beautiful fall colors somewhere, maybe enjoying some rain. We had rain this week. It was amazing. You know, northern Californian, you've to celebrate the little things when you get rain. It wasn't a lot, but it was there and I loved every minute of it, even though it was still eighty degrees and humid. But it's been a bit of a crazy week around here as well for variety of reasons. And as such decided that I am going to revisit one of my favorite episodes and one of my favorite books series from childhood, which is the Betsy tasty series by Maud Hart loveless. I loved this series as a child. And I love doing this episode so I'm going to reshare it and then be back with you again next week, new episode on Tuesday, interview with author Sonia for rookie about her debut fiction. She's written nonfiction before, but debut fiction novel called the oyster thief. So definitely tune in for that on Tuesday. And in meantime, enjoy this episode listened before. Then you've heard me say at a million times how I love to read of sleep. I wouldn't probably do a book podcast. If I didn't love to read, I come from a family of readers. My dad was a is a retired librarian. He was the k. twelve librarian. Most of my growing up and going to school years. My mom is an avid reader and instill that love and all of us. We live next door to the public library in my hometown, which was awesome because it meant that I could just go next door and get a book. Anytime I wanted, at least when the library was open. My parents bought us books on a regular basis from book. Fares for birthdays and Christmases. We just were a family of readers and I always loved it. And I was maybe a bit of an odd kid, you know, maybe not. But in terms of the what other kids might think of their childhoods, I did like to go outside and play. I went outside and played with my friends and rode my bike and did all kinds of things. But I also loved just smudge to stay inside and read a book. And sometimes even in the summer, my mom would occasionally have to kick me out to go outside and at least read my book outside if I wasn't going to play outside, because you know, I need to go out since soak up some of that nice fresh air and that good vitamin d from the sun and all of that good stuff. So I I, as I said, I loved books. And I mentioned a few weeks ago when I did the podcast about memoirs, the memoirs read recently that I also loved reading. I was that kid that liked being assigned biographies autobiographies in school. I didn't always enjoy all of them, but I. Never had a problem being assigned them because I really loved learning about different people learning about different time periods and seeing how people lived during those time periods. I knew where the section the auto, the bag Raphy section was in the school library and in the public library. And I just liked going and finding a book to read about someone's life and find out what it was like to live when and where they lived. And I think that's probably why I loved the little house on the prairie books so much, and I do wanna do a podcast episode on that series one point, but it's also why I love the series that I'm going to talk about today so much, and that is the Betsy tasty series by mod heart loveless. I think my mom probably introduced these books to me. I think she did. She had read them during her childhood or her lifetime at some point, and either my mom introduced them to me or I just found them at the library, but I feel like it was my mom. Hi mom. If you're listening. Can correct me next time I talked to you. But I just love them. I fell in love with them. I fell in love with the characters. I fell in love with the story. So that is what I'm going to talk about today, and I should probably actually get to that instead of telling you all about my random childhood, but the books are written in the nineteen forties. The first one was published in nineteen forty, but they take place during the time that mod heart loveless herself was growing up. They aren't auto by autobiographies, but there are numerous autobiographical elements to them. In fact, they are so much of her childhood is represented in these books that a lot of her readers used to send her letters to find out really, which parts were true in which parts wit weren't true. It is about her childhood. She grew up in Mankato, Minnesota, that becomes deep valley in the books. And I love this on the website. There is a website that is the the Betsy Tayside dot org talks about. Mod, heart loveless who was born April twenty. Fifth eighteen ninety two. So, hey, this is perfect timing. I should've on this one last week if I had realized I could have done it on her birthday, but I'm a week late. I apologize anyway. So she was born April twenty. Fifth eighteen ninety two in men Cato Minnesota and Betsy who's one of the main characters of the series. She followed her mother around the house at age five, asking questions such as how do you spell going down the street for the stories that she had already begun to write. So Betsy in the books is a writer, and so you can see where it's based on her on on loveless his life. The the Hart family left mankato's shortly after Mods, high school graduation in nineteen ten and settlement in Minneapolis, and that happens in the books as well. So at any rate, the says, the Betsy tasty books are based very closely on Maude zone life. She says, I could make it all up. But in these Betsy tasty stories, I love to work from real incident. And that's something that she wrote about them. So. Here is some of the background on the books in case you've never heard of them. They are about to it's Betsy tasty, but there are other characters in this book, Betsy Taseer. Our best friends live across the street from each other. The description of the first book is as follows in the first book is listed as the age level of five to seven years. So you if you wanna read these with your children or if you want your children to read them really, they can grow up with Betsy and tasty because the first few books are about Betsy and tasty in their elementary years, and then it's their high school years. And finally, Betsy, there's I think two books were Betsy is an adult, and the last one is called Betsy wedding. So you really do grow up with Betsy and travel with her throughout her lifetime. There are thirteen books in the series. There are most of them are based on directly on Betsy and Taseer relationship, but then there's a couple that have some of the other characters, and so they're seeing from their perspective, the perspective of those other. Characters. So again, the the summary of the first book just called Betsy tasty is after Betsy tasty become best friends at Betty's fifth birthday party. They are inseparable, Betsy is lively in imaginative invents wonderful games and can make up stories tasty, though bashful with people. She doesn't know well is just as Mary as Betsy and his a wonderful companion together. They picnic explorer dress up, go calling and gaze upon a certain chocolate colored house will they eventually meet a new friend tip. So that is the story. It's it's very sweet story about two young girls who meet, and then eventually meet a third young girl and they become inseparable. Both girls have older sisters that they are constantly kind of emulating in competition with as so often happens with older and younger sisters. I can relate with my older sister who I love very much, but you know, I always wanted to tag around after her when I was little and she didn't always want me to with to be with her. So there's a lot of that sibling right. Rivalry in these books, Betsy tasty. The book is Betsy hyphen, tasty. So they spent so much time together. They're always seem together that pre soon, their name just becomes Betsy tasty. If you see one without the other, it becomes kind of weird. In fact, the the neighborhood boys like to tease them when they see one without the other and really the only time that you do see them without the other one is when they go to church, they do go to different churches. They go to different denominations. So other than that, they're pretty much always together their best friends. They do everything together. Betsy loves to make up stories. She's got a wonderful imagination. She loves to write tasty is as it said, bashful a little bit shy with people that she doesn't know, but she is gamed for Betsy adventures. She comes up with her own adventures. They have all of these wonderful time. And of course the book takes place in a completely different time period than the one that I grew up in. Probably the one that you grew up in the one that your children are growing up in. So the books start out before. The turn of the century Motte heart levels was born in eighteen ninety two. So if they're loosely based on her life more than loosely based on her life. But you can figure that if Betsy is five at the beginning, then it's, you know, toward the end of the turn of the century. So her dad drug drives the the horse and cart home. They don't have an automobile in factors seen in one of the books where. One of the girls gets to ride in an automobile the first that they see in deep valley. So there's this whole interesting part where you have new technology coming to the. There's a part in one of the later books also where Betty's family gets a telephone. And of course there's not that many people that they can call because not that many other people in the in the town have a telephone. So it's this really exciting time, but there aren't too many people that you can call when not everyone, of course, has a telephone. So it's very different from our experience now. And yet they're things that, of course, are constant. There are things like friendship and imagination and playing all these wonderful things. And the constant with Betsy imagination is that she wants to be a writer. She's always writing throughout the books, and you can imagine that mod heart loveless was the same way. And that is what inspired her, then eventually to write these books. One thing she did do that I read somewhere was that she would tell these stories of her child. Childhood to her own daughter and her own daughter enjoyed them so much that it eventually inspired her to write the series. And I do wanna talk more about this books because they are some of my favorite books for my childhood, but we are going to take our first break. So please stay tuned and we'll be right back. Sally beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to color. Putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Find out what movies to go see and checkout GMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies, whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick, this show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now don't bother what's hot on Netflix and everything in between. That's g. s. m. c. podcast dot com back slash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies, it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter, visit GS, MC podcasts dot com. For more info. He. Welcome back to the Golden State media concepts, bible study podcast. We are talking today about the Betsy tasty series by mod, heartless. One of my favorite books from childhood, and I love these books so much growing up that I remember doing a book report. I think for I, I don't even remember which one of the books it was, but I was doing a book report and I can't draw to save my life. I'm a terrible drawer. I can barely draw straight line with a ruler, but my mom is quite a good artist. And these books have really wonderful illustrations. They're, they're really fun. They capture the essence of the story kind of the whimsey of the story captured the characters, and they have really great drawing. So not only are they chapter books, but they're chapter books with pictures, which is always fun for kids. Right? So I was doing this book report, and my mom was helping me to draw some of the pictures to to try to draw some of the pictures that were in the book, and she was really patient with me and very helpful in. I have no idea how it turned out. I think I've blocked it, but I love these books and that is just a little bit of an aside. And I wasn't sure as an adult. I read them again, not very long ago. I was thinking about them and I thought I really wanna go back and read those books. And I wonder if anybody else even remembers those books and so I checked them out. No, actually I think I bought the first four. There's a a collection of the I four that you can get in one book. And so I bought that for my kindle, and then I started looking on social media. The book review podcast follows a lot of authors and a lot of different things, and you can follow us on Twitter and Facebook. And did you like that little plug Instagram and tumbler also, but there is a lot of people online who loved the Betsy tasty books just as much as I do. In fact, they have a Twitter account. I don't know who maintains it, but you can follow bitsy tasty on Twitter. And when you start to do some research, there is a Betsy tasty society in men Kato. You can go and see the houses where. Where mod heart loveless and her best friend grew up and see what you know, see where they lived and experience a little bit of that. There's there's on the website that I was talking about earlier. You have Betsy tasty themed birthday parties, and you can do all kinds of stuff. So if you are one of those parents who really likes to have a multi sensory experience with your children's books, you know, take it beyond just reading something and you're up for road trip and your near, or you know, you wanna go to Mankato. I have no association with with this at all the whatsoever. I'm just saying, I think it would be really cool to go to Mankato and go see the Betsy tasty houses and explore. I've been to Minnesota, haven't been demand Kato. I know a few people from mankato's, but I think it'd be fun to go. And if I had thought about it as a kid, I'm sure I would have loved to have had a Betsy tasty birthday party anyway. So these books start out before the turn of the twentieth century. There are very few. Cars, the technology is different, but then you start to see it expanding and broadening and it ends the series ends with as I said, Betsy wedding. But before he's wedding, she takes year off from college, does go to college, and this is in the nineteen teens, and she decides to spend a year travelling around Europe. And that's one of the books experiences doing that. And that trip is cut short because of the beginning of World War One. So you really do get some great historical events in these books. If you are interested in history of you're interested in just in social history, especially, and that is the way people live during certain time periods than these are a great way to engage your children in seeing how you know different different period, different time periods looked and felt and how things were different, but how things are the same. You know, as I said, in terms of friendship in terms of family dynamics in terms of all of those things. So I think it's a really great. The way to engage kids of all ages. Because as I said, they can grow up with Betsy tae-seon tube. And as they go through elementary and then high school and finally college and getting married and all of those things, figuring out what they're going to do with their lives at cetera, it is written into different time. So you know, there are if you're looking for like a good feminist manifesto, this isn't necessarily hit moms. Our moms are stay at home moms. They're housewives dads go off and do their job and come back and and those sorts of things it. There's nothing. There's nothing sort of progressive about these books, but that's okay. Again, I'm saying it's a different time, but what was interesting to me is that in one of these books, Betsy and tasty and believe tip on one of their adventures they go off exploring and they like to go. It was a time when you could just let your kids roam around freely and go wherever they want. As long as they came home by dinnertime, and they discover that there is a community that they've never been to its call little Syria, and it is full of Syrian immigrants that have moved to this area in Minnesota, and they make a new friend and they learned some different stories, and they learn about a new culture, and there are some ways that they speak about the immigrants that you know might make our modern sensibilities feel a little uncomfortable. There's nothing really horrible that would just make you go my gosh, we cannot possibly read this. This is terrible, but it's a different way of looking at it. It's also away we see, Betsy and tae-seon tip encountering something that they're not sure about. And so they encounter this group of people. They encounter a little girl about their age, make friends with her, learn more about her culture and her. Her family's culture before they moved when they were still in Syria, and it's really a wonderful way. It's also a way to then engage in how do we have conversations with our kids about things that are different. How do we have conversations with our kids about things that they don't understand? So these books really do open up those conversation possibilities. And I am not a person that has a degree in child psychology or in family psychology or anything like that. I just like when I read books that, I think, yes, this is a talking point. This is something that would open up conversation and make it so that we can have an entree into things that might be difficult to talk about. And later on when Betsy Taseer in high school, Betsy really wants to fit in or she wants to attract the attention of a boy. You know, as often happens as we get older and there's one book where she, she tries to give herself a makeover, she tries not just a physics. Makeover, but she tries to be different in personality. She refers to her older sister Julia as a siren, which is not a term that we use so much anymore. But you can understand that. You know, her older sister may have been a little more girly than she was. That's. He was definitely a tomboy. She liked to climb trees and do all those great things. And she tries to gain the attention of this boy, who does, you know, look at her in a different way when she comes back from her, her her personal makeover and he. But she soon learns that while she can expand upon her personality and make changes in her life, she shouldn't create retry to recreate herself for someone else. So again, there's some good talking points in there, and I remember reading this book when I don't even remember how old I was maybe about Betsy age. Maybe you know. The place when she was in high school, I may have been in junior high at the time. I don't remember, but there's this way of walking that she describes and I can't for the life of me. Remember what it was. I don't have the book to look it up, but there's this way of walking. She tries to imitate, I think, like an an actresses way of walking or something. And if I'm remembering correctly, and if you've read the book in your member, you can correct me please there. It's a slouch or something. And I remember trying to imitate this walk. I had absolutely no idea what it looked like or what it was or who the person that she was imitating was. But I tried to imitate this in, you know, the late eighties, late nineteen eighties. I'm trying to imitate what Betsy is doing in the early nineteen hundreds of the nineteen ten. And that's what the effect of these books had on me. I was trying to do this. The super cool walk in. I had no idea what it looked like and I was so not super cool, and I'm sure trying to emulate this walk. From this books that were written, you know what my friends might have thought of as forever ago and why would I wanna read them was not making me any cooler than I already wasn't. So on that note, I think we are going to take our second break. And when we come back, we'll finish up talking about the Betsy tasty series. So stay tuned and I will be right back had to Macy's backstage for finds you can't resist deals, you won't believe and brands you love. And right now new fall trends are arriving every week. So what's the seasons? Bid idea. Men styles are not just for him anymore. 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Podcast network guaranteed to fill that podcast, whatever it may be visit WWW dot Jesus. I'm c. podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download on itunes, soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the Golden State media concepts spoke to view podcast. We have been talking about the Betsy tasty series by Maud Hart loveless, and as always the case, don't just take my word for it. I assume that you don't when it comes to books that you do your own research. And when I went looking for some reviews, I found basically positive reviews saying a lot of the same things that I'm saying that even though the girls in these books were written, they, they lived quote unquote lived. But you know, the the characters were based on lived over a hundred years ago. They're still very relatable. There are few things that you might need to look up and that is where of course, search engines are your friend. You can look up and learn new things, something that you might not have known. And that's always for me. That's always fun. I don't know not everyone likes the same things that I do, but I love to look up and learn new things and find out what different words mean and the the few negative reviews that I could find were. More about, you know, the vocabulary was a little difficult for her child. Her child didn't understand it, and that's something to keep in mind that there may be things that are a little more difficult to understand, but hopefully you will not. You know, your child won't be reading these in a vacuum. We'll open up conversations. You can help with some of those vocabulary or some of those concepts that might be a little confusing in. I just as I've said, I really love them and I'm fascinated by the fact that there are so many other people that have these same childhood memories as I do even though these books, you know, they weren't written during my lifetime. They were written much more before my lifetime and before a lot of the people who are reading them and still fascinated by them. So they definitely hold up. I would encourage you to check them out the you can also, as I said, there's a Betsy tasty society that is has a presence in men Kato, Minnesota, that they have restored the the homes of some of the characters of the book. So. Aumont heart levels, childhood home, etc. And you can do tours and they have the website is pretty interesting, and you can learn more about the author mod, heartless, and some of her other books. She did write other things though the Betsy tasty series is definitely her best known, but she had a really interesting life. It seems like, and you learn some of that in these books, but then you also learn more about her life as you do some more reading on her and find out. So on a side note before I conclude, I would say that I think part of what I love about. I mean, I loved as a kid, learning new things and learning about Betsy tae-seon tip and all their friends in this in this world that I could imagine. But I couldn't really quite envision living in, you know, yes and no, you know, I, I was used to my own my own way of growing up and so fun to put myself into a different circumstance. Although I didn't always fully understand everything. What. Oh, really loved was imagining the close. I don't know why, but I had a fascination with button hooks as a kid. And that's when you have those high top shoes, the button, and you had to have the hook to pull the button through the the butthole. So any description of that in the long dresses and the different styles and the different hairstyles I was fascinated with and that actually reminds me that there's a scene where the girls are trying to make a memory, someone has died, and they are trying to think of ways that you know if they were to die, how would they? How would how would someone remember them? And it's kind of a deep, you know, it's a very deep conversation for young girls to have, but it was the reality of their their lives at the time and they decide that what they wanna do is save some of their hair and so like kids everywhere they experiment with the scissors. Tasty has long ringlets. They're always talking about her beautiful ringlets and she cuts one of the ringlets off thinking that this will be a great way to, you know, to save and to be remembered by, but then her head is uneven. And so one of the other girls cuts off half of her ringlets just on one side of her head, and then they do the, they cut their hair really badly. So even though they were written over a hundred years ago, kids are still doing some of the same thing, maybe not for the same reasons. But scissors and hair always seem to find each other in a young children. So there's humor, there's warmth. There are friendships, the blossom and grow and the characters that you can grow up with or your children can grow up with, and I cannot recommend the series enough. I loved it. I still love it and I hope that you will check it out if it sounds like something that you are interested in. So that is my my very long sort of love. Letter to Mont loveless. Betsy tasty series. Thank you so much for joining me. I hope that was passed Sarah, thanking you for joining her for that up. So this is current. Sarah still repair referring to herself in the third person, but thanking you again for joining me for this episode as we revisited the Betsy tasty episode and I realized after I'd recorded the intro that the current, the original episode was episode fourteen and this is episode one fourteen. So clearly it was fate, right? Must be or possibly just coincidence either way. I'm okay with that. Again, join me on Tuesday. 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2. A Matter of Trust

The Thing About Pam

26:41 min | 1 year ago

2. A Matter of Trust

"The funny thing about making dateline is that a lot of times. The murderer is pretty obvious so it's up to us to take you on a journey. Make you question your own assumptions. Your biases and your gut and this story seemed pretty straightforward. Right husband killed his wife. The cops sure this. Oh Russ Faria was the prime suspect within a day of his nine one one call and it didn't take much to get the neighbors whispering he must have done some betsy friends believed it in time her family would too but was this an open shut that case now no it wasn't and this time instead of US creating the journey we got sucked into into one of our own in two thousand eleven when Russ found his wife Betsy dead just after Christmas. He had no idea that in in a few short days he was going to be charged with her murder and that their entire marriage would become public father dissected by everybody they were close to some warm memories came out in the beginning. They were very happy. I just thought that they were happy couple. We we knew that he could not have committed this crime in time. Some unflattering wants to describe him. As a pig man he was a guy's guy and uh-huh pretty crude and rude there was this anger in him that he he could hide and he could put on a front What people said about Russ two lawyers and two investigators ran the gamut so how was it the cops decided what opinions they've valued to get the most same way many of us do by settling on the ones that feel the most plausible I'm Keith Morrison this dateline. NBC's newest podcast the thing about Pam two years after betsy smarter we started looking into Russia's case. I spoke doc to Russia's defense attorney the bets he's friends and her family have we got hold of a police interview tape all the usual stuff and the more. I I learned the more I didn't understand the choices made by law. Enforcement and prosecutors were well. They were baffling. My my producer Cathy Singer was as mystified as I was so I'm often asked. Do you think the people in your stories really did it and I say well yeah. I've seen the evidence and say they did it but almost every day in America. People are wrongly convicted. Police and prosecutors sometimes sometimes make decisions that just make me go and with this case in particular. She found herself saying that quite a bit. I don't think there are many murders in Lincoln County. She was right. There weren't a lot of murders in Lincoln County in the three years. Before Betsy death. There had only been two murders in the whole area. Take two thousand nine. They were zero. That's right zero murders. We would find out that this. This was the first murder trial the judge had ever presided over the prosecutor had never tried such a case either from the start. It felt like the investigation had a few too many shortcomings. We'll get to that eventually for now. The trial Authorities Lincoln County arrested a man in connection with the murder of a woman in Troy. We do know who the person who was arrested is but that person has not been informally charged. A woman who had been murdered is forty two year old betsy free classified as a homicide. Russ Faria was arrested on January fourth two two thousand twelve pleaded not guilty nearly two years passed before his trial started and then finally November two thousand thousand thirteen wrestlers trying to Lincoln County and troy. This is where the furriers lived at the judge was Christa Mayer. The prosecutor is Leah Ascii and the the main defense attorney was Joel Schwartz. Leah Ascii and Joel Schwartz called various witnesses to the stand people who know the Farinas and could talk about their dynamic. What kind of a couple they were whether or not they were happy. But what exactly did the prosecution have that indicated. Russ was responsible for the crime. There was that frantic nine one one call rational what's going on there. I did earn time. I'm curious though she's she's the ASCII the open the trial are you that the call reeked of false emotions on the way there okay. Ashby told the jury that this man was way over the top and betsy family. Oh when I spoke to her mother Janet Meyer where she told me that nine one one call was goofy. Oh my God oh my God. Oh my God it's like Oh. What did I do what I do and bitchy sister. Mary Rogers had this to say what if he got home and they started fighting he went into a rage and he killed her and then you're just beside yourself and you're not thinking you're doing all of these things and you're calling nine one one and from what I gather initially Betsy family wait did not think Russ could've killed betsy but as time went on from the police and possibly also the prosecutor. They became convinced that he did kill Betsy. Lia asked presented a parade of witnesses one by one Russ's inlaws and stepdaughters all took the stand and they pointed the finger like that time. Mary said she got an alarming phone. Call from betsy daughters Leah and Mariah the girls called me crying at work that he was using foul language and so I went to their house and he was like out of control I actually called the police took the girls and got him out of the House. Mother said she had heard things that made her uneasy about Ross. It was at my House One Night Ali. The December was betsy. Myself was just three of us. We were sitting there playing upwards. We played upwards game a lot. yeah good at upwards. Maybe mad I could never beat them anyway. We were playing one night and I can't think for sure who he was talking about and going on about he wanted to kick him in his he got very very violent in his talking about this and I remember looking at him and saying Russ. You're scaring me well. That's I really mean that that's what I would do. That's the way I feel. I had seen what he says. When he gets mad he told a friend of mine's husband that if he got into a fight with somebody he would fight to kill Here's my producer Cathy again. They took the stand at his first trial and said bad things about him. Seems like small things became. I'm very big deals in the retailing then whose turn was it to take the stand. Ham hops he start playing in this game of putting a pillow over her faced to see what it would feel like remember her. She said this is what it's GonNa feel like when you die or whatever on the stand. Tom Was not only mourning the death of her friend but she was also mourning the death of her mother who had recently had a horrible table accident anyway. She repeated to the jury what she had told investigators that Russ talk down to his wife. He told her she wasn't smart. Smart enough to a simple. Pam told the Jury Russ was very degrading that he made people feel uncomfortable so uncomfortable friends stopped wanting to socialize with bessie. If Russ was going to be around after Pan the prosecution presented their physical Michael Evidence there was blood on Russell slippers and on the light switch in his closet. A chemical test revealed that there was blood in the kitchen mhm semen found in betsy the night of her murder which indicate to the prosecutor that Ross must have had sex with her right before killing her and the prosecutor also said that's why investigators found no blood on him need obviously been naked well committing the crime time and then took a shower then Russia's alibi the night of the murder all the surveillance video the receipts according according to the prosecution. They only made him look more suspicious. It was as if he had purposefully covered his tracks but what what about his alibi his game night buddies well. All their stories were oddly identical. The prosecutor argued you'd they'd been rehearsed and that in a nutshell is the prosecution's argument UH. Why am I telling you this. Why isn't Lia ASCII here explaining her case against Rust Faria. She won't talk to us. I can't tell you why she declined to be viewed by dateline but Joel Schwartz Ross's lawyer when I mentioned that to him. He thought the reason was pretty simple. She can't pick up. Any of these. Accusations is she. Could she come talk to you. She proved nothing. If Russell did did this. He's not naive enough to think that they're not going to discover. The multiple wounds in the back. The fifty six stab wounds the post mortem cutting cutting of the wrist someone did this is not going to call and say it's suicide. It makes no sense. Unfortunately I believe the police had already decided who did this. It's the only explanation in my eyes to explain what I consider to be. A horribly deficient investigation doesn't doesn't hold back does he. When the prosecution was done presenting its case Joe's off to the races the blood on the slippers bruce there was blood found on slippers that belong to Russ and it was best. He's blood. There was very little if any blood on the top of the slippers the only bud found was in splotches watches on the very bottoms and the side of the slippers and there was no impact of a shoe in the blood no. Is there any footprint anywhere on the tile floor leading back to where the slippers found somebody attempt to stage this dipped in the blood and hit those back in the closet. What about the blood on that light switch. There is a light switch in the closet that also had blood. D- in it and somebody else they couldn't determine whose it was however if you look at the light switch and the pattern on the lights which the blood was basically a cross stitches. If somebody was carrying those slippers the pattern seemed to be the same as issues but how could you possibly explain Russ putting a pillow over Betty's face. I did ask her mother about that and her mother said they were extremely close. If there was something like that ever done she believed betsy would have told her about the number of it being a crime of passion and a couple of the wounds. We're talking about specifically. I think about six of them were about seven inches or fifteen centimeters deep. Those wounds were the same exact tracking tracking the same distance came from the same areas again with no regularities to me. It doesn't indicate rage indicates staging and Joel had an explanation for pretty much everything Russ had after all four alibi witnesses he had cellphone data placing him at his house finding Betsy Rigor Mortis had set in when you found her he'd been dead for a couple of hours by then and Russ could account. I'm for all of his activities starting at five o'clock that day so you pretty clear cut so Joel felt confident in a million I couldn't imagine based on what had been presented them how they could believe beyond a reasonable doubt beyond any doubt it all that Russia had anything to do with this but van asking you went to little off script during her closing argument. The argument was a complete surprise to me. It's Josh megawatts from dateline. Do you need your true crime. Fix on the go. No dateline episodes are now available in podcasts mysteries with a twist from dateline subscribe now so you don't miss an episode here to read the arguments my colleague Barbara Rab Senior producer at NBC. I I want to thank you for your attentive listening. It started out innocuously enough to them then she started getting I think creative. He decided this would be the ultimate role play the the ultimate game the ultimate way to stage but it required all hands on deck. It required a pretty good. First thing she did was accused for people of murder. I think he brought it to his friends. I think he talked about how would we do this. How would the ultimate role play happen. It just so happens she'd she'd stated in her is visiting plan for years and years in the making tonight was the night and it was ludicrous the night the tonight. We've been talking about for months for years. The night it's here. It's real tonight is the night he then. According to the prosecutor went to his his friends said guys tonight's the night he'd left his cell phone sped home for some reason she argued. He then had sex with her one last time he leaves his phone he he heads back to troy. He comes into the house. Betsy is on the couch. She's covered in a blanket and I submit to you that he has sex with her that he violates her one more time that he controls her. Just one more time I'm going to humidity all sounds a little graphic little farfetched. It's about to get stranger injure because in the end only eight sperm were found in Betsy eight in the police interview with Russ. He said that they were intimate on Sunday night. This was Tuesday night which would account for eight sperm still being present but that didn't stop the prosecution from arguing that Russ violated betsy before the murder and then showered now in the initial search. The pipes were searched. There was no evidence that a shower was taken. There was no blood in any of the pipes they were actually removed and tested. It goes back takes a shower gets any evidence off of him that he has many comes out he then get out of the shower. I remember her saying. What do you do. When you get out of the shower. You put your slippers clippers on show he went to clean up with his slippers on presumably still naked you can tell that he's moving when he's on that call and I would submit to you that while he's talking to nine one one he realizes the slippers. The killer gets careless. He's thought of everything else. It's perfectly staged but the slippers so he took the slippers off took the slippers back hid them in his closet came back in cleaned up. I guess waited till his his friend who picked up the receipt returned the cell phone and immediately upon returning the cell phone. He called the police and reported as a suicide. The prosecutor spun quite detail in her closing argument but remember closing arguments are not considered evidence in a court of law. Only problem was sometimes. It's difficult for jury to remember that without any evidence. ASCII accused four people have helping murder betsy and without any evidence. She hinted that Russ sexually assaulted his wife had violated her one last time. Joel told me he he was infuriated for her to accuse those four people of doing this is not only insensitive in my mind. It's immoral to do that. In a position of authority that she is in but by now now he was used to being frustrated by this strange case you've encountered hurdle after hurdle in preparing Russia's defense and one of the biggest hurdles with some of Joel's rose best evidence couldn't use it judgmental. Meyer refused to allow it to be presented to the jury fell. I pulled my hand banging my head against the bench. I've never encountered decisions like that. According to Joe there was an alternate suspect and she was very very close to the case. Perhaps even the key witness Tam Hopp the judge would not allow him to ask this person any questions that would indicate she could be involved like maybe she lied about her whereabouts. It's based on her cell phone tower information that she had gotten insurance money insurance money. The prosecution argued. Oh you did this was a case about greed Russia's greed but how can that be if pam was the one who received the big payout in the beginning. Ross and other members of family were trying to figure out where the insurance money was to help pay for the funeral and then they started looking got one of the policies for one hundred fifty thousand dollars so four days before betsy murder the beneficiary and one of her life insurance policies as for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars so switched into Pam's name from Russia's name yet pam escape scrutiny. Somehow might be asking king. How did nobody know about the switch way here the story both women had worked in shirts for years in fact they worked together and yet they didn't go to a notary or an insurance office to make this change. No they went to a local library and they went up to a young woman there who worked the desk and said can you just sign this form and she did and and they put it in the mail and and the beneficiary was switched to pam but don't worry. Pam had an explanation for that too. She said it was betsy idea that that's wanted to meet her and she showed up the library one day and she had formed sold out but y Pam why would betsy choose her. She's been on the record saying that Betsy wanted her to have the money so that she could help her daughters out when they needed it and she was afraid that Russ in his grief for just spend too much money especially on the daughters yes the spendthrift husband. That's how Pam explained it. She said Betsy trusted her. You're to handle the money responsibly. I guess I look at it to find. You talked about the fact that she had some insurance she'd mentioned insurance to yes talked about it. She said Ed I'm going to make you the beneficiary if you could when my daughter's older give them some money I said okay well. How much is four hundred fifty thousand in Dallas. The insurance company called the cops to make sure that Pam should get the proceeds. They wanted to make sure she wasn't a suspect. In bed sees murder. Police said No. She's not a suspect at all. Go ahead. The cops gave the green light to Pam Hobbs insurance payout. This fact fact never stopped being odd. No matter how many times I've thought about it they took Pam's story at face value without looking more deeply in the the fact that she was the last person to see our live and the beneficiary form was signed just four days before betsy smarter that you'd think would be a huge red flags a- initially after Betsy Seth Pam was friendly with the family but then they found out that she got the insurance money and she was keeping it for herself and they wanted some of that money be used for the funeral and she said no and she thought that's wrong. Why should betsy pay for own own funeral when her husband killed her and I think that was the turning point that's when I think their relationship fell apart and that was that Pam got the money she put one hundred thousand dollars into a trust for betsy daughters and she told investigators that she gave the remaining fifty thousand dollars to a struggling family she knew Joel these things added up to motive but the jury never heard about any of them. You might be asking why well judge men and Meyer told Joe this evidence was is to be excluded because it was not relevant it would serve as a red herring and merely confused juries what I was told in every case I've ever handled a witnesses bias and interest comes in a witnesses prior. Inconsistent statements come in. I have a right to cross. Examine him on that. Well not according to this judge at this point. There was just no way to know how seriously the jury would take the prosecutor's closing statement after four hours. The jury came back with a verdict guilty first degree murder punishment management life in prison. You know I've been through this. The worst part of it was looking at Russia's face. He was in shock. He couldn't believe it and I haven't lost sleep in a long time over something in this business and I lost for longtime insurance you know how on Earth does a man with a corroborated liberated alibi get convicted murder. The jury was left with no alternative and in most people's words the husband David who else would have Russ went to prison. Betsy family was relieved. They could more now by this story. Ori Wasn't over. Let's go to Joel's office. It was two thousand fourteen. He was still working with Russ attempting attempting to file in the field for his client and then he got a phone call. It was another lawyer working on a civil case between Betsy Farinas daughters and an pop case about the money time God after her friend's murder said there was something odd but the case something that happens right after rush was convicted something still might want to look into a trust had been opened in the name of the kids approximately five days prior to the commencement trial that trust was funded on that day but how quickly things would change only twenty days after the trial. Pam Dreamed Trust was defended over ninety nine point seven percent of what had placed in their ooh dear pam got the payout and the girls cut nothing that it didn't look good next time on the thing about Pam. We'll get to hear the facts. The jury never got to hear and Malaysia who is Pam hop and how is is she able to avoid suspicion the the thing about Pam is brought to you by dateline. NBC FROM DATELINE NBC Kathy Singer and Christine Fillmore Producers Jackie Montalvo is the associate associate producer. 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Jay and Miles X-Plain the X-Men

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"Suit jay. I'm surprised four jen's up on so many super teams surprise tesco aisles well. It just seems like an odd fit for him. I mean i'll buy i am as backup or even the boss like with x factor but it just seems like a guy who'd be happier doing his own thing. He takes plenty of time off honestly as far as work life life balance goes forge is probably one of the better adjusted mutants out there. What does he do when he's not saving the world. <hes> you know invent stuff has a lot of feelings about about storm so basically the same things he does when he's on a superhero team manages the odd dassler tour what komo i'm jay added and i'm miles. L. stokes and we are here to explain the x. Men because it's about time someone did welcome to episode. Two hundred fifty nine of jay and miles explained the x. Men where we walk to the ins the outs and the cons of connex greatest superhero soap opera and welcome back to the show. Thank you yeah you were gone for two weeks. Thanks again to lisa winters for filling in last episode but it's good to have you back behind the mic. Thank you so i took some time off because i in the kind of a deadline hell which is one of those things that happens when took a lot of freelance gigs and then suddenly get a day job and there's the period of really intense overlap and also mike stand broke last week so it's extremely kluge together now so i am technically behind the mike. Mike is definitely significantly more precarious than it was two weeks ago. We'll see where that goes at. It kind of feels like <hes> like i'm i'm just sort of surfacing from from entropy to into which i will i will dive back as soon as we finished recording okay so listeners if you hear like a stream and a crash and then hubcap rolls onto the screen because there's a screen now and you hear a cat yowling like that's going on there. It's just all of that. Entropy catching up in the form of a destructing mic stand are something <hes> yup well. We are going to get back to continuity land. <hes> and boy oy howdy are we. This is like this the or continuity. This is continuity squared this right here. This episode is a big part of the reason we decided to do this. Show yeah <hes> we are going to be having some fun with a meadow rat. Con today ret con of man how dita's this ret conned go. Actually i don't think this rat con- this is by the way the sidewalk quentin redken for those keeping track at home. I don't think it's been undone again. It's been expanded expanded a little bit more but that's mainly been additions to it rather than re. Re re writes but that's okay because i feel like it's it's complicated enough that it doesn't the need to be redone again. It can just be here in all of its horrifying horrifying glory so we should lay the foundations for this which i feel like are themselves complex. That's enough to merit an entire episode but we're going to try to rattle through the much faster you can also take a look at a couple of episodes we did about sidewalks initial body transformation and then cilacap walks initial body swap willing to those in the visual companion but first. Let's go back in time and across the pond to england. Betsy braddock doc was a fashion model. A psychic spy sister of captain britain brian braddock and for a time she herself was captain britain brothers place at least until she got her is is ripped out by a bad guy thankfully mojo ruler of the media obsessed mo jo verse and spiral his enslaves techno sorceress gave her new is unbeknownst but not too bad see her new papers broadcast her every site to the mojo verse which probably got pretty awkward. Sometimes you know awkward and also probably just really boring orange lot of the time you know we do interesting things. Look interesting things although probably kind of nauseating because she she did a lot of jumping around and fighting and if you think like doc hand-held first-person cameras rough man yeah. I'm gonna go with a boring so my day job is working i._t. Department and i noticed that a lot of our users will put little pieces pieces of masking tape or sticky notes over there webcams that are built into their computer displays and i mean okay fair enough securities fine a little paranoia healthy but at the same time i am do they really think we would actually want to wash them. Stare slack jawed at their computers all day. I mean that's what i do at my computer all day. Yes like you're not. It's not at hiding what's on their screens. It's literally just hiding their faces as they watch them. No ones getting naked matt office. It's got windows pretty much every door. Maybe they just make really funny funny faces and they don't want anyone to see them until they perfected those funny faces but if they have the webcam off then how can they actually pay attention to this. Do they have mirrors set. Maybe a complex system of mirrors and if any of them are the phoenix force they would attack those mirrors and destroyed the cosmos but meanwhile back to betsy braddock betsy soon joined the x. men as cilacap the teams resonant purple loving telepathic things were going great until the whole team was forced to flee into the siege perilous a magical portal that erase their memories recent scattered them around the world cilacap washed ashore mindless at the secret island base of the hands ninja clan there a guy named matsuo turrialba upped worked with the villainous mandarin to transform besse's body from caucasian to ambiguously and uncomfortably asian which was super awkward and brainwashed her into being the mandarin's personal assassin asin also now she wears a thong wolverine and jubilee helps freestyle act from the man's control and once again she was an ex-man and things were going going great until a woman showed up in what appeared to be betsy original caucasian body woman went revulsion claimed that she in fact was the real betsy braddock attic after interrogating matsuo in the crime lord narayan the x. men found out the truth sidewalks asian body was really the body of iran's assassin kwan whose mind had gotten telepathically scrambled with patsies when bessie washed ashore after emerging from the siege perilous now both bodies are messy mixes of the mind skills and powers of betsy braddock and quantum but wait a minute that doesn't make any sense in that first thing we talked about matsuo clearly found batty's body audie and transformed after she came out of the siege perilous which directly contradicts all of that quantum stuff what the hell this the hell of miles this the hell hobo okay so let's dive right in with our teeth gritted and loins girded although not girded very much watch because we're wearing ceylon tiny bathing suit outfits. I assume we are absolutely not we can see you on the camera like you're wearing a t shirt. I am definitely also wearing a tee shirt so i mean don't break the illusion for the listeners j. They don't know i. I feel like i'm really good with breaking this particular illusion as long as they still. I believe i'm wearing sunglasses. I'm good. You're absolutely wearing sunglasses. May i'm literally always wearing sunglasses actually spent a lot of today in sunglasses at work because i forgot i had them on. That's reasonable. Why are the streets of rome so dark jay off nine earth reference. Well played any way a let's talk about x. Men volume two number thirty one the butterfly ends the hawk also known as sole possessions part one. You're listening listening to one zero five caller. You're on hawk talk. Hi my name is warren worthington. The third sorry worth warren kenneth worthington the third hi warren kenneth. How can we help you today well. I'm a little rock and there's this girl and she's not a literal hawk but i think maybe she could be. I keep dropping these subtle hints if she should wrap her claws around branches near the base of a tree but i don't think she's giving it okay warren kenneth now. The thing about hawks the thing about metaphors so you know what you're getting into. You say she's a girl. I gotta say some girls or hawks some <music>. Some girls butterflies and other girls are entirely normal. Cosmic splits so again. Make sure that you're not trying to push this girl into enrich. The team doesn't identify within two now. If she is hawk like you you can only recruit you very carefully that serious talents as i'm sure you know being yeah well. I mean obviously before we is this question i want to. I want to kind of ask you a couple of questions and getting into first of all who the hell names talk warren kenneth. What what is wrong with your parents was kind of a long story. Did you ever read hamlet absolutely not only that. I learned to differentiate a hot from a handsaw anyway. This jane miles explained the x. Men knocked shane miles. Do hawk talk. I mean occasionally bat hawk x-men number thirty one hawk talk is written by fabian necessa penciled by andy hubert inked by matt ryan colored by la verne conspiracy and digital chameleon. Now digital chameleon is in fact as you might have gathered not on anyone's birth certificate. It's a columnist collective and loving kinzir. Ski was one of the founders of that collective and j so when i was reading comics back in the nineties coloring was pretty good. I mean you had a lot of really dedicated columnists but right around nine thousand nine hundred four when digital billion and other digital colorist started taking over it was a quantum leap in awesome callers before the eyes of young miles their gradients everywhere the shadows. Some things were all like a pale and fuzzed out others. Were very sharp. It was amazing in context of this story would you perhaps describe it as a quantum leap a quantum leap i totally would she just jump around like a lot. Her gamut both yeah yeah yeah. No there there there. I assume that they both to sort of move in the same video game character doesn't wanna walk exactly it's either jumping or doing roles forward all the time time but i don't know i mean whether the digital coloring holds up. I actually couldn't tell you just because this is so much what the comics i was buying looked like this is what the nineties were supposed to look like in my head. I was it really. I mean you didn't come into comics until a little later at least not x. Men i mean it's andy. Hubert and anti-corporate is fantastic while i know that jim lee originated the character cuba from his melodic ways the definitive cilacap artist at least <hes> for for this iterations the reasons generation of silos and he does some really cool stuff in the story in particular. He's he's a really expressive artist. He's a lot of fun and i think he does a very very good job of referencing and staint connected to that that jim lee image school wile maintaining much stronger narrative sensibilities that got lost among. I think a lot of more central members of that yeah i would agree and honestly for me once there are digital callers on his pencils. That's kind of where his art really comes alive. <hes> this part right here this part of continuity yet and this is this is yet another place where i feel like we can't emphasize enough in the world upside enough that color color art in comics is art is a fundamental part of the art and the narrative and of the storytelling of any color comic and anyone who doesn't credit colorist is kind of a journal <hes> but speaking of narratives in comics what happens in this issue. It's time to wreck. Con the ret con. Here's what actually really happened. At least the story that were introduced to hear quantum with an assassin in service lord neuron matsuo was sworn to the hand and and they were in love despite knowing that they were probably going to have to fight to the death at some point because they were both assassins and they worked for different people and you know it's kind of inevitable when when you're winning especially when you're in a narrative context that those troops are gonna come into play. It's like of romeo and juliet dressed like ninjas were <hes> older. I feel it's kind of the romantic equivalent of nightclub of curtains stefanski thing where it was like at a slumber party was like if i ever go easily after if you promise to kill me okay kurt and kurt with like okay we're like eight but sh- her this is this is sort of the grownup romance version of that because because qanun on an makes matsuo swear and she swears that if they ever if they ever do have to fight each other they will each absolutely give their best because they wouldn't be themselves if if they didn't and they it to each other to be as murderous as possible and moscow is much more of a romantic he's much more of a lover than a fighter a lot of the time time and he doesn't like this idea but he still goes along with iraq. They end up fighting as rival assassins. Do matsuo had actually suggested that they throw themselves off a cliff together <hes> to avoid fighting <hes> and ironically toward the end of the fight he overpowered quantity and she she does go over a cliff alone. <hes> now in addition to the usual cliff fall injury she also briefly drowned and ended up severely severely brain-damaged changed so the body swap as it really really happened for real this time we swear was actually machos attempt to save quantum with the help of spiral spiral who as we know with her body shop can do all sorts of stuff with bodies and souls and genetics and extra arms and stuff like that what's going on here in instead that of emerge instead of betsy just being genetically altered. This is an actual sort of body swap <hes> an attempt to save quantity wanton and the ideas that washed up. She's amnesiac. She's attala path which means her brain is going to be extra receptive to the fact that quantum's got some latent telepathic abilities. He's and they can just sort of transfer over now. Spiral messed with spiral went well first of all. She's a lot more brain damage than you realized so i'm going to have to do some splicing and also i'm spiraled so i'm just gonna kinda mess with everyone for the fun of it and i actually liked this version of the backstory significantly better than either either of its predecessors for one specific reason especially which is that it centres quan which neither of the other stuff exactly in the previous rut con quantum was just an assassin who happened happened to find betsy braddock when she washed up from the siege perilous and a big telepathy explosion happened and that's what scrambled their minds and here this this is this is again. This is something that is about one. It's not about betsy. Betsy just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for it. Which makes the fact that quantum is the one who dies slightly more palatable to any <hes> now the other thing that this particular everson remembers which which gets forgotten way too much around this character is that betsy. He's got a lot of history with the mo jo verse with spiral right because does after betsy got. Her is ripped out by slave master in one of the x. Men annuals drawn by alan davis she got robot is so that everything she did. All of various adventures were just projected streamed straight to the mo dovers and she never told any of her allies about this which i can kind of understand because they would totally freak out. I feel like it's really creepy that she didn't tell them especially once she found out that that was happening like there were major major ager consent issues. Oh don't get me wrong. I completely agree. I'm just saying that's the motivation i can get. I mean betsy was terrified that she would lose her eyes again or that she would lose the trust of these people who are starting to become her family and so she lied by omission now because of the body swap walk those by hanukkah is are no longer betsy braddock problem they are quantities problem and quantum solution is much more direct than any betsy that has ever used i <hes> she leaves she flees the xavier mentioned she leaves a note and she also rips out her autobiography is and leaves them under charles saviors bed like some kind of fair uh-huh man. That's that's amazing better than an eye killer. I guess but i feel like we should disarm big. You it here so we've been talking about betsy. We've been talking about quantum. We've been talking about solid. We've been talking about about revenge. One thing. This rewrite khan really does is it makes it clear that while the two women's minds are a little bit scrambled up for the most part betsy see braddock original british body mostly has quantum the assassins minden it and quantum the assassins original. We still don't know where in the continent of asia body mostly has betsy braddock mind in it so it is pretty much a swap thus when we say betsy we mean cilacap in the asian body when we saquon we mean revenge in the cartesian body. I realized that's confusing. It's confusing for us to it's okay. We're only going to have to keep track of one. After the story. Exactly it turns out that part of the reason for that confusion was was what spiraled and you know the fact that quantities mind was much more damage than she'd she'd realized but part of it is also that neuron basically gas lead her into thinking that she was maybe partly betsy so that he'd have better control over her and she he was so confused and upset had bets telepathy that she was basically mixing betsy up to and that was that was extending and the the state of her powers. The seat of her telepathy is something that is in intense flux right now because remember she's got legacy virus and one of the things the legacy virus does especially in in its later stages is vastly vastly amp up mutant powers so for quantum what that's meant is that that in addition to having much more powerful telepathy she's been able to accurately we assemble a lot of her mind either from the people around her or by just being that good at salvaging the pieces of her memories from her own her own brain so for the first time she actually really solidly knows who she is now back at the x mansion betsy decides that it's probably about time to tell everyone about those eyeballs and to see if they can work together to figure out what's going on but as for revanche herself as for quantum in betsy is original body she goes to meet up with matsuo and to haul him on a lot of his bullshit. Now she remembers the history they have together and she she just jacks right into his brain to figure out as much as she can about what really happened without body swap and about why in the last version of this story also written by fabian and you see as the facts didn't even remotely line up with that now there are the way this this is the thing i was thinking of when i was talking about the really he cool stuff that anti-cuban does here because matsuo still thinks of her as the original quantities her original body and in the the pages where she's talking to him in there they're fighting in real life but also she's she's plugged into mindscape perform various and sometimes overlaps it just it it alternates between the two which is depending on whose perspective is central in that particular panel. It's a really really cool trick. It works really well. It's disorienting but consistent assistant enough that it really manages to get across what it's trying to do and the narrative thing. It's going for something else. I really appreciate is that quantum john in his furious about this that matsuo still thinks of her as as you know the quantum that she was because it's basically a racing in ignoring a massive of massive thing that she has been through been done to her and change in reality that she's having to live with exactly yeah i mean revived revive sure certainly got the raw and of the deal. She ended up in a body. She didn't wanna be and i mean that happened for both women but the one she ended up in his actively dying. If she'd stayed in her original body in theory she would not have had the legacy virus plus hers was the mind that was super screwed up and so much more of a kluge job bob surgery wise from spiral and brainwashing wise from iran and again the legacy virus is a double edged sword here and i really love the way that works for her because it's so bittersweet because the same thing that's killing her is the thing that finally allows her brief wholeness and what does she do with that brief illness <hes> she she got up to monto anchin like yes so <hes> you kinda fucked it up the first time please kill told me that i don't have to die slowly of this thing because it sucks and you owe me that much and matsuo is is not into this plan but he he goes ahead and does it and an actually plays out pretty well again. I think what works best about the story what works best about this did of the arc as compared to any other part of this whole saga is that it set quantum is absolutely central in it. It's about quantity. It's about quantity taking claiming agency. It's about quantity defining the way that she seen in defining her experiences and refusing to be erased refusing to be subsumed under either betsy identity under prior fire brainwashing or under matzos romantic ideal yeah and even though quantum does straight up for real die at the end of this issue halfway through this two part story. The second part is still all about her legacy. As much as betsy braddock in quantity original body is the focal character of parts you you like the shadow of revanche of quantum just hangs over everything it's still about her as it should be so back in west chester betsy who's been spending more and more time with warren worthington to third gets this gigantic psychic explosion from across the world and wraps sir car around a tree because she senses the quantum has just died. She is upset for the obvious reasons but also because this means that she's never going to get answers about what's what's going on but actually she will because you know who was waiting in that tree by remarkable coincidence spiral it's spiral but before or we get to there of course they're gonna fight because everybody fights and comex. Let's talk a little bit about the side. Plot of this issue is a little thing but it's really nice and i appreciate the as is an always remembers to check in with the non vocal characters in his oxygen issues yet now. This is about what's going to happen next bureaucratically to the school into the team because scott gene are on extended leave right now and that is that someone has to step in and run blue team and end professor x convinces a very reluctant hank mccoy to basically be emergency backup cyclops not only will be running blue team but he's going to be handling a lot of the team in mansion incident ministration beast says. Will you know you could just get banshee to do it. He likes this shit and executive as well actually can't kazan. She is is gonna be busy running the school because you know how emma frost in a coma and the basement for like two years apparently one of the things she did before said coma oma was to write up some paperwork that granted control of the massachusetts academy her school where she used to teach the helen's to professor xavier well. She didn't just grant eight with a living well saying in the case of her her death or long term capacity it would it would go to him and i assume that emma frost being emma frost and both ridiculously wealthy and ridiculously smart and organized is that she has her affairs just massively order. Oh yeah absolutely i would love to see that document. I bet it is the most passive aggressive last will and testament ever ever written. Oh man like every other word is just dedicated sue increasing the ratio of shade to notch shade a one hundred percent unlike the things she leaves to people are all really really insulting but also really valuable. I'm a frosted such a glorious asshole. I love her yeah. So this is the first. I real on page acknowledgment. We've seen of the coming of generation acts of there being a new school with new young mutants in it. We've seen little teases here here and there but for now it is clearly coming and i'm excited. I'm so excited to coverage on x. Men metoo all those kids that shimon issue issue yup crisp shallow regular art as well. Yes oh man yeah. I gotta say as as an old school vertigo kid crispy cello art still hits me and like a visceral pavlovian highschool. Oh my god it's awesome place. I mean it is awesome. It's great art but but there's also like that degree of familiarity in being one of the first artists whose work i can just recognize immediately yeah totally me too. I was more of a marvel kid but damn if i didn't read a ton of sandman gus both death mini series and all so good so there's also there's also a deep lot and that is is rogue gambit having a weirdly detailed conversation about breakfast cereal while wearing sexy pajamas that's it. It's not really euphemistic conversation. I kept on trying to read between lines but no it's just like a really detailed description of how they like. Mixing breakfast cereals and the sludge at the bottom is totally a sexy conversation about the sludge at the bottom they they may not be euphemisms but they're still just dancing around sensuality. No there is nothing sexy about the sludge at the bottom of breakfast. Cereal ball like that is something again that is something to which i have a visceral in pavlovian reaction and it is not a sexy one. Hey don't y'all chocolate yum no more power to for them but i i i don't really i i just i <hes> well. Let's turn to an issue that is not as far as i remember involve any sexy serial x-men c'mon number thirty to the leopards and the cats aka soul possessions part two written by fabian necessa pencil ban huber inked by matt ryan and colored by kevin summers and once again digital chameleon welcome back in two zero five. This hawks talk in the last two. We were talking to warren ken hawk within four. We're leaving lady. Remember that movie that had some reading about hawks levi's once turn into each other. You're a busy five is still in questions about <hes> butterflies in hawks but i've also been thinking about leopards and cats like the kinda similar alert. They're not the same as what a super set of the. I don't even know now okay warren kenneth. I did not realize you were saw online first of all my name is not easy one. The hawk sean five is our is our hosts station. Do you know radio works. Warn you live in there right seizing in the box in the little box <music>. You're listening to music. We'll be back right after these messages so spiral has indeed showed showed up to fill betsy in on her incredibly convoluted backstory to which spiralled played a pretty important part spirals convoluted backstory knots. It's not <hes> spirals exactly spirals. Convoluted backstory was covered in your previous x-men annual. She was ricochet rita mojo mass with time travel. She does allude to that she he does but interestingly spirals also here to absolve her guilt because now that mojo at least temporarily dead she sort of a free agent even more than when she was in freedom force back in the day and so she feels i don't know about bad but at least a little complicated about having fucked with betsy and quantum just for the halibut however yeah because it's the accident i there's got to be a great big fight yet. Betsy anger is bigger than her curiosity. Which <hes> to be fair is pretty damning character and everyone attacks including the other x men who show up complete with gambit as he spiral on the ground saying his trademarked bad. You did dude chekhov's tagline yeah and spiral says you know what fuck this. I came here to have a good time and i'm feeling so attacked right now and so she teleport's away but not before saying anyway. I told you what i needed to goodbye okay but the way she freezes awesome so great. If you take all is you've been given and still choose to remain blind how on on the one hand it's tangled spiral talk on the other hand. No no literal eyeballs okay all the is. You've been given the implies that there are more than again the i i ferry has struck again. I love the idea that like they just keep finding is on the savior mentioned like just different system from our <unk> total. Toy is the the the windup feet and some of them are just actual is and some of them are are the glass is that have have no partial squirrel shells things like that that it's like a really creepy easter egg hunt oh man i would be so into that. Easter egg hunt that that is the easter egg hunt that i have apparently been waiting for to care. Everybody's drag hunts well betsy to recruit it does take us opportunity to fill the x. men in she shows the x. Men the cybernetic is that quantum left for. We're from betsy previous body interestingly enough betsy also mentions that her old body got those is months ago. That was a plot point that happened well before the mutant mutant massacre. I really feel that with this sliding timeline murder. That's happening right now. Especially just ignore it. I mean she's not wrong. It's just been more months than implied. That's true. I guess like four hundred months. That still counts as months. I don't think it's been quite that many. I don't know sliding timescale who even knows side for me. Franklin richards a here. He's behind the whole thing would be well anyway. She invites the x. Men to stay and watch as the beast and banshee find a way to activate eight the is recorded memories and they all get a look at her backstory. I gotta say like we have emotionally available cable right and now we have blake courageously vulnerable. Betsy nishida is so good at writing x men that actually communicated actually mature over time. It's really nice. It is so it's time for more flashback now. We talked about the first part of the flashback. We got in the previous issue. We get a little more of it this time. This is where it starts to really jive with that. First body transformation issue that was so directly contradicted by the last round of this whole mess what we find here is that yes matsuo did find find betsy braddock original body and he made a deal with the mandarin to also help in addition to spiral helping what the mandarin got was a custom-made assassin assassin in quantities original body but with betsy blank siege parallelist mind the idea was that the mandarin would get an assassin that he could mold in whatever direction he wanted that would have been mostly fine. I mean matsuo is still would have gotten what was left with of quantum's mind albeit in a new body but then things got even more complicated did thanks joe person who tends to make them even more complicated. Spiral spiral was just like this is boring. Let soup them up a little so she <music> overlaps quantum and best minds and d._n._a. Significantly more than she'd been asked to this was partially for kicks partially to make things more interesting for or her boss mojo who still wanted to watch all the superheroes do fun things and partially honestly i think because spiral saw that this was about love and her history with love was pretty messed up up and she wanted to lash out at anybody who dared to feel it. Spiral has complicated issues and many harms both of those things spiral also stole stole revenge that is to say quantities mind what was left of it in betsy braddock spotty and gave that combination to lord no iran who was the previous employer and lover of qanun so now matsuo didn't really have what he wanted. No one had a version of what he thought he wanted. That was actually all messed up. The mandarin had nothing aside from ten really sweet rings including the mental intensify or nobody was happy except spiral spiral really happy. I don't think spiraled hence to actually be happy. I mean i think occasionally like gleeful but i'm not sure that's actual joy while she was entertained at least so that's where we leave the the ret con again. We have most of a mind body swap. We have a story that now jive is basically with the original transformation story and we find doubt that apparently no aaron wrote his diary that gave us the previous ret con just to fuck with everybody to make nobody trust nobody so that matsuo couldn't get his their mutual love her back. Now erin figured hey if i can't have her he can't either. I'm gonna lie a bunch and hide my lies behind a painting that will get damaged in a fight and oh god this recon shape this wreck con- this really just seems like a very overcomplicated way to accomplish this. I know this is <hes> what's the term sort of like a fix it fiqh vic for the previous right con- oh it's one hundred percent of fix it fix. It is absolutely a fix it fix <hes> it is also just just rube gold. It makes continuity that was already complex. Just a massive rube goldberg machine well thankfully by the end of the story is going to be simpler than it was at least so. Let's strive boldly forward to the end of the story. Cilacap is gonna head off to japan to finish this whole thing off to figure out as much as she can. In the meantime as gambit gambit professor xavier see her off. They have a nice little conversation gates been smoking outside because apparently beast now that he's in charge followed through on his promise to make the mansion a smoke-free zone good job beast and i can't even smoke in my own room. I feel like i'm a kid again. I mean you couldn't you definitely were not allowed a smoke in the executive mansion as a kid. That's true there is that but aside lock leaves gambit reaches out to professor xavier saying hey i just had a bunch of shit it goes down in the gamut miniseries and rogues acting all weird and i could really use some advice and you seem like a nice smart guy. Everybody's learning to communicate ofeibea minnesota. I mean game but this is how you get concert but folly buddy in japan bessie betsy tracks down lord byron who probably was the one that mess things up in his own way almost worse than matsuo did. He is sitting at his desk dead and i i really wonder if the prevalence of that staging an actual murders comes anywhere close to its frequency in fiction i wanna say say probably not but matsuo is nothing if not a stylish asan and he does respect tropes and so that's what he does he kills myron just leaves him there and he's ready to just answer all these questions. He feels awful about what happened and he's gonna do his best to atone but like a much less confusing way than spiral. Did it's still pretty confusing. Matsuo investi out to the cliff where quantum fell all those time periods of of some sort ago and that's where they talk and i really appreciate that they're actually very physically tender with each other like the physically affectionate and close and comfortable and on the one hands like betsy barely knows matsuo mostly hates him on the other hand has become very clear at this point that she's got quantum threaded all through her mind and quantum loved matsuo and <unk> as strange as it is uncomfortable as it should be it feels kind of consensual in a way that only something complicated in a comic book could be and i really appreciate appreciate both the dialogue and art handling that so delicately yeah again this is this is one of those places where i feel like andy huber pulls things off off that i'm not sure anyone else could've matsuo explains yeah. Earn was lying the whole time everything. You thought you learned the last time we tried to do this. Rat con it was all lies because he was so bitter about things not going his way. He just wanted to screw it up for everybody and similarly part the other part of why things were so confusing. Everybody was acting a little out of character violent well. That's because revanche. Just telepathy was just messing with everyone. She was so angry at what happened and so confused based on her own damaged mind and now attempting to rebuild that mind and train it that she was making everybody confused. That's actually really convenient right there. That's really excellent flint recon lubrication yes. That's that's a really good gas. Leak season shortcut exactly and apparently as revanche died at the end of the last issue you she somehow not worry about it transferred her telepathy tomato or at least a part of it she was able to do that again through the legacy flare as she died because he had her powers basically flared up super exploded what they did was transferred some of her memories and give him basically a trigger. He's not functionally a telepathic now but he can do a couple of very specific things related to quan and one thing in particular so matsuo kisses betsy in unquantified old body and he uses this residual telepathy whatever to give betsy one final gift from quan he removes all of quantum's as memory and personality from patsies minds now she is purely the mind of betsy braddock in the body of quan as straightforward as it could be after all this nonsense since and quantum gets to actually have died her consciousnesses than dispersed and she gets as much peace as superhero comics characters. I get which is just as she's definitely gonna. Come back and it's not gonna be pray. Yes she just dead for quite a long time. <hes> actually she's going to be very much back pretty soon by the look of it but we'll get to that later indeed matsuo though he is a broken man and he wants to die he grabs abc's katana and is about to kill himself so he can be with quantum so he can die with her and maybe encounter her in whatever comes next <hes> dude come on just take someone's guitar like that. It's really bad etiquette right and in fact betsy does talk him down own. She had enough of quantum in her identity in her mind to know that matsuo. Maybe a horrible murderous dude but maybe there's some potential in him. Maybe he's actually kind of a good person. In some ways i gotta say this jewish. You are humanizes the fuck out of matsuo as much as he has again done some reprehensible things in the past so so back home betsy and warren have romantic moment of romantically throwing betsy robot is into a lake. Yes the lake <hes> that's actually early on campus at the exhibitor school with a new mutant used to hang out on the edge of it. There's got to be so much weird fucked up superhero shit down there. Oh unquestionably so silent talks about how you know even after everything she kind of is grateful to what quantity did to quantum's role in her life saying that quantum challenged her but that made her better and stronger and to be better stronger all betsy ever wanted and i gotta say that really jives with what we know of betsy braddock for back in the day before all this happened and warren has a moment of vienna. I guess i kind of got some cool stuff. From apocalypse to as warren says makes this bird's feather <hes> antilock salak response hypnotize. Perhaps then we can see how high we can fly together. Basically teach me how to hawk warren so we're we're talking to betsy nails hock on these little betsy what's going on with you. Tell us your heart problems. Well what's going on with me is. He's really way too long of a story but the point is i used to be. Maybe a cat or a blind fashion model or something and now i think maybe i could comma hawks on trying to learn everything. They can't about them all right now betsy. We're going to start out simple d. e. Where robots in the country do you live upstate new york work near a lake full of a bunch of eyeballs. I guess all right fantastic eyeballs. You're getting too close in the ravens. <hes> that's how you sort of establish decent relationships with those guys what you're gonna go looking for and they're going to be a lot of them around morgan winter than this time of year. It'd be active right now. Lose our mice mice and small and i just i just wanted to try anyone bones for have all seeing that sits with you. Okay i mean i've become a lot. The predator lately and i feel like small rodents would be good target for my hawk catanha's right so you're gonna start at work your way up to rabbits eventually depending on what drew hockey even upgrade further from that point. It's it's really up to you. Small deer might you can <music> osh if you've got smaller ones in the area that if you've got one of towns of mixing and get the hang of warming of new poets the hairballs make sure that you know you know how to do the fun stuff off all your business and take it easy. You don't wanna start talking too who quickly because that is how overclock okay okay got it star small all right. I'm gonna take hawk atanas and go. Kill eat a mouse right now. Thank you mr z z one zero five. I really appreciate you coming out of your little radio box to talk to me. What the hell is the water in westchester. This is talk doc. So what do we think of the three explanations for betsy transformation slash body swap. There was the original one that was clearly just a transformation the second one where it was almost accidental and the third one where it was more of a deliberate swap. What do you like best j. I like the third one. I think the third one is by far and away with best written and again. I think it's the one that effectively centers quan which is in my opinion really the only way to make that story work yeah as much as i have a great deal of affection for the original story simply because some incredible chris claremont writing. I think that was him writing at the height of his hours right there. It's also uncomfortable and yet really does remove the hell out of betsy agency and that of course is before quantum even exists narrative lee so she doesn't get any either. I feel like this is about the best way you could make lemonade out of these continuity lemons right here net brings us to speak a continuity lemons x. x-men thirty three the heart of thieves written by famous as a pencil by anti-cuban inked by matt ryan colored by digital chameleon and <hes> this is a fun one. You know you were talking about how motto is kind of a terrible guy but but he's terrible guy who we actually kind of like this this issue centers around a couple kinds hair up up couple varyingly terrible guys and this is this is a baby gambit flashback story and baby seventeen <hes> so baby gap it <hes> <hes> it is told by sabertooth to roque and i gotta say sabertooth and tastic fantastic narrator because he he is just the right kind of unreliable but he's also his voices. All a lot of fun in this has a lot of fun with it yeah. He's basically playing gravelly murdering hannibal hannibal lecter here well. I mean differently murray to be fair because yeah he's telling rogue. This story of young gambit basically fuck with her trust in him but he's also just fucking with her her his also. He's basically like he's hardboiled hannibal lecter. He's not he's not. He does not have the refinement factor going. Oh no not at all but he makes some kind of interesting points. He's like oh yes. Oh by the way isn't it cool. How professor xavier took meat is unrepentant murderer in and is helping me and he still has effectively helped you with your powers when you've cooperated with him every every step of the way that's just interesting. Isn't it right there. What do you think rogue assume that he's full full on growth for river still. He's still got the thing over his mouth. Yeah yeah yeah maybe he's just <hes> maybe him maverick <hes> can bond over both having been in team acts and both having a really hard time talking clearly with that crap on their faces uh now this is the what happened in paris. That sabertooth alluded to a few issues back in x. Men twenty eight and most of this is gonna take place in in in flashback. We get sabertooth narration which again is a lot of fun. It's hard boiled. He's he's terrible but he's not quite. He hasn't quite gone gone over the edges that he's gone over by the time the story takes place. He's still terrible. He's still really murray but he's a little more collective. He's just enough to be a really fun. Central villain <hes> so gab was was a bit shy of his eighteenth birthday and manage to rescue a girl who sabertooth was menacing and this this this damsel in distress is genevieve dharsono the daughter of an infamous and imprisoned jewel thief <hes>. Does she have any kind of a literary. Mary basis that name sounds. I don't know literary. I assumed so <hes> dr internet did not give me any good results. I assume that someone listening will immediately say oh well. I know that reference and and and explain it to me if it is in fact one so preemptively thank you to that person or those people we will look forward to to learning <hes> and <hes> speaking of thank you to the many listeners who pointed out that rachel summers future alter-ego alizarin is probably referring to color alizarin darren which is a type of red dye which <hes> yes it was almost certainly that and we had no idea and now we know that's really cool so sabertooth had been hired by a canadian financier named martin herzog from whom genevieve had stolen a very fancy necklace while they were having an affair but before sabertooth can effectively menacing ed or killer gambit dives to the rescue he's seventeen and he's adorable and he's in paris for some kind of teeth test but i he's going to catch sabertooth just off off-guard enough to get away with genevieve and i love gambit seventeen year old look. It's kinda like his current one. You know there's some there's like a hot pink breast played and there's a code but everything's just just very gothi. It's exactly the sort of thing a seventeen year old would think would look cool. It's like he's doing a stealth cost play of darth vader while he's sexy swab thief or possibly this is when he wasn't quite good enough teeth to go for the full neon and metal boots and so was actually dressing almost kind a little bit sense sensibly. That's why he's wearing black. Okay that makes a lotta sense yeah now. <hes> gabe is there with his brother honoree and unreas- mustache rush which deserves its own crediting <hes> as we've discussed previously they get some some debriefing in some cautionary cautioning gambit is playing fast and loose with the rules unreas- reputation is on the line as well <hes> d- needs to do it right and so game has will. I'm going to seduce it out of her. That's how i mean. Meanwhile there's a moment where herzog tell sabertooth off for smoking in almost exactly the language the deceive you're used to chide gambit for the same which is really really nice point of peril it is and one. That's going to pay off in a way that was planned. At this point. Many years later yes so gambit seduces. The girl promises never to hurt her steals the necklace in a band sir okay. I have a question here so gambit seventeen. That's been established that martin martin herzog guy unless you just really old for his age has got to be at least as late thirties probably much older in he's balding. He looks very middle aged. Genevieve has has dated both of them. I'm just saying somebody here is not obeying the half your age plus seven rule or probably age of consent. I dunno no. They actually all could be if she's in her twenty. S would not work mathematically okay. Let's just assume that's what's going on. It's more comfortable for everybody yeah anyway. This is this is this is also sabertooth or two telling the stories of how much of this actually happened and how it went down relative to what he's actually saying. You really can't be sure yeah because again this is filtered through through the perspective of someone who we know lies and we know specifically is using this to mess with rogan gather he specifically he's trying to destabilise pretty much everyone at the mansion so we don't know now speaking of destabilization sabertooth response to this to gambit getting the necklace that he'd been sent to retrieve say okay fine my turn my move so his move is to kidnap anri and genevieve tie them up and dangled looking by ropes out of the top of notre dame cathedral where he tells gamut throw over the necklace. I'll catch it and have to drop the ropes to do do it but i you'll. You'll probably be able to catch one of them. It's like that scene at the end of x men unlimited number four accept it makes significantly more sense and in fact even though gambit just try to throw the necklaced <unk> tooth speed to maybe see if he won't drop both people sabertooth does and gambit of course chooses to save his brother and his brother's others mustache and genevieve falls too hard but she lives just long enough to tell gambit as he cradles her that she would have just given in it to him if he'd asked. Why did he think he had to do this. She would have just given it to him. That seems unlikely but it's real tragic though isn't it and again how much actually happened how much abraham just fucking with rogue we don't know but he does it effectively enough to plant a lot of doubt in rogue's mind about a lot of the things that gambits been saying to her and as much <unk> tries to say hey baby i've changed rogue rogue and we the readers are left to wonder well how much but i love that sabertooth did this. I mean i don't love that he did it because it was terrible but it makes sense because as is briefly referenced princeton this issue as he thinks back to lens our the woman that turned out to be mystique and totally betrayed him and his son grain creed that came from that union sabertooth hates hates love and he has nothing but disdain for people who even dally with love at all and so part of this was him being status in general but part of what he did. I think was to teach each gambler. The lesson that love will only ever hurt you part of what he's doing too. I think is playing that parallel because the thing is he mentions here that he and gambit have some other shared history. He doesn't go into especially knowing what shared history is gonna turn out to be. This is his way of telling you but you know. You've got your hero stuff on but i know what you really are. We're not actually that different now. The issue ends with a lead into the next arc. Where beast decides he's gotta go to find mister sinister to see what is going on with the legacy virus to steal you'll some of that data and he goes to sabertooth to get some help so that's going to be a whole thing i though he insists he enlists jubilee for help because god knows. That's an appropriate team up to do. Let's definitely get the kid and the really scary murder guy on a team together. Comic books speaking of comic books. We have listeners and they have questions and we're going to do things a little differently this time. We're not going to answer specific questions but the fact is the new line of x. Men books have just been announced as we are recording. This delivered announced a few weeks once. This episode goes up and a lot of listeners have have gotten in touch with us through various methods to ask what we think about this whole thing what we think about the house of acts and powers of ten mini series that are opening this era of the x men and the six <unk> permanent ongoing ex books that have been announced to be coming out of them. <hes> so have you have your house of x. Number one yet i i have and we won't spoil it but i will say. I was fascinated by it. I am so intrigued and i have no idea where things are going to go and i'm actually really excited cited to be an x. Men fan right now. It is a very very hickman book <hes> four everything that implies if you're familiar with his other work. I'm enjoying being at my feelings about this. Line are complicated and frustrated because it it's shows every indication that it's gonna be neat. It's going to be really interesting testing. I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. I'm also really really frustrated that once again the chance to really be the autour in the marvel line that is specifically a gateway for the most marginalized readers and serves frequently as a metaphor in lieu of actual representation in has gone to a straight white dude yeah i i completely agree. I mean i liked jonathan. Hickman's work a great deal but it's one of those things like. I don't know it's like problematic elements in fiction if you have a problematic element as part of a plot in one story great but when it keeps coming up and like every story that's where it's a little iffy and this is this again this is this is just it's really frustrating. It just keeps on happening and again. I like hickman then. I like his work by all accounts. He's a great dude. He seems very excited about this in ways that make me pretty happy as a reader <hes> i i like the way he writes. Cyclops which is very important. <hes> is is is what events livered ion for me but i i just i. I wish that they'd gone in a different direction. Won't let's talk about the books and questions so we have the two interlocking miniseries house of acts empowers attend that are coming out right now as we're recording this how number one is the only issue of those. That's come out but we've also seen the six ongoing. He's coming out of things we have marauders which is about pirate x. Men basically excalibur which is a team with very interesting lineup including cilacap as the a new captain britain which is pretty cool x force which is sort of a black ops and hit squads c._i._a. Kind of deal new mutants which is basically the old school new mutants with the site of generation acts the central x-men book which it sounds like it's going to be a bunch of different characters and a book called fallen angels well well. There's also going to be a second wave of titles coming. 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The Legend of Betsy Ross

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The Legend of Betsy Ross

"Killers. Don't make any effort to involve media or best Gators. They're very secretive. They don't want attention. They almost want their crimes to go on notice. But the idea of committing a crime, and then calling up the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. A man who wore a mediaeval style executioner's hood who has police and baffled the media. He seems to crave publicity. He sent letters and Ramsden newspapers. And the beliefs subject stated, I wanna report murder. No, a double murder. I did it. Here. We are fifty years to the first sodium killing in today's world of friends IX, the old cases are being solved who doesn't wanna know how it turns out from the creators of Atlanta monster come season two. This is monster the zodiac killer. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. Welcome to stop. You should know from how stuff works dot com. Yankee doodle? Hello. And welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh clarkin. There's Charles spirit of seventy six Bryant and Jerry bicentennial baby Roland, but I'm Josh like, I said Jerry wishes she was a BI centennial baby. Yes. She does. Both y'all do I know man that'd be five years younger. Yep. That's exactly where I am squarely in the bison tenure baby year. Oh, that's right. I demand people refer to me as such when I'm out in public, Dr bicentennial baby Clark Esquire. So how you feel? I'm pretty good good, man. We should probably say thank you to all the people who came out for our west coast jaunt. Yeah. That's a good idea. Chuck last week. So big thanks to Seattle Portland in San Francisco for stuff, you should know shows, and then everyone who came out for movie crush into the world live. Yes. Thank you to everybody for all those champs. We we had like really good crowds in good responses everywhere, we went, how'd you go. I was drunken wine country. It went really well. I was tencent on stage in the cafe du Nord actually went well when I went out. So it's like includes like a presentation, right visual audio visual thing. And I could not get it to start working for a good, fifteen seconds. Oh my God. Which which in my mind was fifteen minutes. Yeah. And I was like if you've all everyone to see someone die of fright on stage, man. But I got it work in it went well from there. But the thing that got me the most. As they sat around for thirty more minutes after the show asking questions, so they were really into it in a lot to me. That's great. Thank you. And we I haven't been to Brooklyn yet. But this will come out after the Brooklyn show, and I'm just going to know actually will come out probably the day of the Brooklyn show. I'll hold my thanks for then. We'll see how it goes Brooklyn. Great, congratulations. How does yours go with busy Phillips? It was good. It was fun. She's super nice and only made a couple of really terrible jokes. And I will cut those out. Oh, you got to leave him in where that bad. Yeah. They were pretty bad. Okay. Like dad jokes are like super offensive jokes. So one which evidently, Emily said, I said the wrong word, which explains why it made no sense. Conceive and asked me a stretch use like what was up with that one joke. It's like what? And I told her and she's like, no, no, no. That's not what you said. I was like, oh, I don't won't say it here. But it it explained a lot. Or you gotta tell me later. Okay. Yeah. Ultimately, tell you. Okay. Cool. But what about the other one was at a dad joke? Now. Just dumb, okay. Got to keep the image up. I know what you mean. Man. Sure. But otherwise, it'll be although I don't I got the file today in like the last twenty minutes aren't there? So I emailed them in there. Like, please tell me this is not all so it may be a truncated version. I Don, I don't know. We'll see the lost episode is what they know. Okay. Well, good. Good, congratulations. I'm glad aside from the the file snafu in this too bad jokes. Otherwise, it was great. And we're going to go back out on the roads. Sometimes we decided this year. Right. Yeah. We're figuring it out. Hopefully, another like nineish shows. Yeah. Maybe course of this year. Sure. Places. We've never been places we have been who knows. We're going to mix it up. Yeah. Yes. Keeping your out for that. We've learned now we're just straight up going to put that in the beginnings of episodes. No messing around anymore. No missing around. Okay. So all of that. Of course, segues quite nicely into the story of Betsy Ross in the American flags origin fraud. I don't know if that's necessarily true. I don't think that's the official historical stance. But I think a better way to say Chuck is questioned and a just a great story for history. So who cares if it's true? Yeah layoff. Yeah. Putts going with, you know, the person who's like, you know, said fraud, I guess. So let's well, I mean, let's get into this. Because the first thing that you will probably say if you're a a Betsy Ross believer. She was a real person, by the way. Yeah. I think the first thing a lot of our listeners around the world will say was who is Betsy Ross. Sure. Well, she is credited which is where I was going with the the sort of creation design in sewing of the first flag, thanks to a lot of things. But certainly held up by a very famous painting called the birth of our nation's flag by Charles Weissberger, very famous painting. Yeah. But it's one of those paintings. It's like super old-timey where there's a lot of written explanation. Painted into the painting. I just find. It's just there's nothing more old timey than that. Yeah. You read that? Well, sure wasn't expecting this. He says something along the line. You just want an award. Well, I don't have anything prepared. He said this is the national standard was made by Betsy Ross in seventeen seventy six at two three nine arch street Philadelphia in the room represented in this picture. That's a lot of words. But it goes on still the committee Robert Morrison honorable George Ross, accompanied by General, George Washington called upon the celebrated woman and together with her suggestions produced are beautiful emblem of liberty. So what are you guys doing this weekend? I was thinking about maybe going roller skating. I know it hasn't been invented yet. Because it's only eighteen seventy something 1893 any actually wrote out eighteen seventy something 1893, I know. And then he said how about this new country pretty neat. Right. And then just kind of trails off from there. It's ends there. It's a lot. It's a really wordy painting. Frankly, it is very wordy. But that that helps sort of cement the idea. That Betsy Ross was in fact, the designer and creator in seamstress, I guess for the first flag while I'm going to take issue on behalf of some of our more historically stewed listeners and say she I don't think she's credited with designing the flag. I think this is the one thing that everybody agrees on is that she is is not given credit for designing. She's she's given credit for create like physically creating the first flight, and then helping with some trouble shooting in the early design. Oh, you should go to an elementary school. Why are they teaching otherwise? Sure. Is that right? Yeah. So created one hundred percent by Betsy Ross fraud. It's not true. What what which part sent you? The thing. I just said neither one. Okay. But we should talk about the real Betsy Ross because she was a real lady, she's not an an apparition or a visage. She was born in seventeen fifty two on New Year's day. She's a Newsday baby supposedly documented here. Probably. Okay. Elizabeth GRIs Kim was her name born to Samuel and Rebecca in Pennsylvania in her. Great grand pappy, Andrew Briscoe was a very notable Philadelphian. He was one of the first settlers in a carpenter in like built apparently a lot of Philadelphia's first buildings. Yeah. Which is. I mean, that's that's pretty prominent for that that time because I mean, this is when the the whole place is being settled, and it's being settled by Quakers. So like, Pennsylvania is a Quaker settlement, and that's how Elizabeth Chris kirkum aka Betsy Ross, which makes you think like she she robbed banks later in life and went on the Lam and change your name. Not true. You'll see it's it all become apparent second. But she was raised as a strict Quaker in Penn. Selena, right. One of nine children who grew to adulthood, but her parents had seventeen kids dude that so many kid van well, the Quakers take like keeping their faith going by multiplying seriously. I mean, that's like how a lot of religious groups are they do twofold. They reproduce a lot. And they also try to make sure that their their members who are born into their groups Mary other members boy the group so that they will raise more Quakers, or what have you whatever the religious group is an actually Betsy ran afoul this later on. We'll see she was a bit of a rebel. Yeah. And also imagine a Samuel is a Quaker was like, you know, it's very fun procreation and his wife was like it's not as one for me. Sure, it is such a great like eighteenth century Quaker impression maybe the best of ever heard Chuck. This is the one thing we're allowed to do. That's good. Well, they so the Quakers actually had a really really liberal society. Like, there was a lot of quality. There was a lot of it was very they were very peaceful group and still are their pacifist through and through. But they also were really strict morally like if you were in a play, you could be fine twenty shillings and spend ten to ten days in jail for being in a play because it was just kind of frivolous and not very religious. But on the other hand, they all drank like fish, you just weren't allowed to sell it to like the native Americans because they acquitted that with corrupting them Quakers. Oh, yeah. Sure. Nice. Do you? I think we used to work with one. Didn't we? Yes. Yes. So I think we know the same Quakers probably. But now I'm wondering first of all it was about this shout out. The name was like should I not? Then I was like, why wouldn't I? But isn't the whole thing happened? Why would I? Yeah. Exactly. And then you thought fraud will some people like to keep their stuff personal. So I'm just sure I'm not gonna do that under the table. Quaker is what the that? But they're also called the society of friends. I think is the greatest name for any religious group of all time. Right. Founded by six year olds. Society of best wins. All right. So there in Pennsylvania, the one thing that we do know was that her nickname was Betsy. And when she was about fifteen she did learn to so very, well, she was an apprentice to an upholster named John Webster. And this is where she learned her craft. Right. And when you think of like is here Betsy Ross being a seamstress, right? She was not a seamstress. She was like you just said an upholsterer which involves a lot more than say dress making. As a matter of fact, I'm sure she did make clothes here there. She knew how to but mostly her stuff was on like sewing, curtains, and tablecloths and rugs and like other textiles rather than like actual clothing. So she was in upholsterer through and through. So is seamstress specifically clothing. That's the impression. I have interesting. I feel like such a fraud because I didn't look the difference between the two, but that's that's my take on it. I'm gonna find out also took umbrellas Venetia. Blinds and flags that's something in a pollster would have made back in the eighteenth century, apparently seamstresses any woman who says okay anything. Oh that I wonder if a pulse terror is a specialty of seamstress then. Yeah. Probably so. Okay. And what is a man who sows called? The seam stir. Maybe. Never thought about that. And if he's in the union, he's a seems to Teamster. Oh, dad. I know. It's really bad. Maybe we'll have Jerry cut that out to keep my public image or so while she was doing this work. She met a man named John Ross note the last name, and he was also an apprentice. And he was good at it. He opened his own shop, and he was sort of. And he can he came from a well connected family in his actual uncle, George. He might have recognized from that painting, George Ross junior. He was he signed the declaration of independence. Right. So that's legit. Oh, yeah. He was he was big time. He was I think a Representative for for Pennsylvania in the legislature, either Pennsylvania or New Jersey one of the two he's here's a bigwig if he's hanging out with George Washington, and Betsy Ross's upholstery shop then he was a big week. That's right. A big. Powdered wig, by the way. So so this her marriage to John Ross it didn't last very long, although it was kinda marked by that like younger younger age radicalism. Where she so John Ross was an Anglican, right? Yeah. He wasn't Quaker which was bad. Right. So they fell in love. He was in a pollster as well and John Ross in bets Betsy later Betsy Ross when they met in fell in love they had to elope to New Jersey which everybody does the ill up to New Jersey. Because her parents were like, you cannot do that. And she said, well, I'm doing it. And they said, well, then you're out and she went off and got married, and she was excommunicated is not the way I think specifically Catholic, but she was kicked out of the Quakers and her parent her family disowned her. So she definitely loved the guy went off in followed her heart, and they made sweet upholstery together because he opened his own. Shop actually. Yeah. It's really sad though. I mean, it's great they found each other. But it's anytime someone's like expelled been disowned by their family. It's just sort of sure over religions said thing. Yeah. It is. Yeah. For any reason, really, you know, like bringing shame or dishonor. It's like, it's your family. That's supposed to suppose to be there for you. No matter what. But doesn't always work out that way, which was which Chuck means that family is what you make of it. I thought family what was it? Never trust family. Never trust family. That's specifically blood family. Okay. So the revolutionary war comes along and in Philadelphia people were, you know, kind of getting together forming militias in order to you know, defend the city in case in case things went down. Right. And no one knows for sure what was going on with John and Betsy. But we do know that he he died. We just don't know quite how. Well, yeah, they think maybe it was either in accident or a death from being in the militia or there's there's supposedly family rumor that that he may have suffered from mental illness in may have died as a result of something some complication from that. Yeah. It's really sad though. Because that was obviously her true love enough to to leave her, family and religion. And she was widowed in seventeen seventy six just what three years later after they got married. Yep. So so it was just three years after right? Yeah. Okay. So when she was a widow there that radicalism. I mentioned earlier started to kick in. She went back to Quakers if she ever left. I don't I've never seen that she began attending like Anglican mass or anything, but she went back to the Quakers, but she joined a group a specific group of Quakers called the free Quakers or fighting Quakers. Who were like, yeah, we're Quakers. But we also are not crazy into pacifism. Mm-hmm. Because we we will showed me back showed me and see what happens and that was what they wore on their on their shirts. But man, but the reason that they were anti pacifist because they wanted to support independence. There was going to be a fight struggle for independence. And you couldn't really side with one side in in not and be a pacifist, basically. Yeah. Remember pacifism episode? That was a good one. The other was a good one. So she was once again unlucky in love. She got married again too many Joseph Ashburn he died in prison in Britain. And then she finally got married third time to a man named John clay pool, and she was married to him until he died. But this was like twenty years this time, you you on how she and John clay pool. At her second husband's funeral almost. Okay. He showed up our afterward. John clay pool even even more even sooner than that, John. Clay pool was in prison with Joseph Ashburn over in Great Britain after he got out he made his way over to America. And he's the one who brought Betsy Ross the news that her husband had died. And then he I guess he was like so you doing all right. Can I can I be of any assistance for you? And rather than just being there for her. They he took away the four her, and he was just there. I wonder if he was like, by the way, your husband's last words were totally you should go marry my wife, that's the this that they used to do back in the day. So she worked as an upholsterer until she died at the age of eighty four eighteen thirty six she had five little girls, which is kind of great aside from that. That's kind of what we know about Betsy Ross as far as the facts go. Yeah. That's about where they they run out. And you might say listener, well guys, you left out the most important one. The most important fact the story of for sowing the American flag. Well, well, we're going to stick by what we just said and say that we just ran out of facts, which means is pretty good time for message for Tony thing. Charleston. Agreed. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody, we want to tell you about the brink a new podcast from how stuff works hosted by Ariel cast in and are good pal. John stricklin yet, they tell stories of entrepreneurship took a bold step out knowing really what's on the other side like people who chances like, Walt Disney betting his company and his house on the world's first feature length cartoon. Yes, no, white and the seven dwarfs apparently, even his own wife Lillian, and his brother ROY tried to talk them out of it and wall say shut up shut up all of you a making it and he did. That's right. You're gonna hear stories like this every week stories of trials and triumph featuring men and women who took that bold step. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay. So it's about here that we should kind of go over the Betsy Ross legend because what we just described as in eighteenth early nineteenth century American woman who is a Quaker and an upholsterer and her love life and her children her offspring. Yes. That's it. That's all we've got. So the flag story for those of you who aren't familiar with this is that when Betsy Ross was hanging around for upholstery shop Wedneday in Philadelphia. And I believe seventeen seventy six I think June seventeen seventy six when they say it happened three men came in that trio, including George Washington, George Ross who was remember her first husband's uncle, and then a man named Robert Morris who is a wealthy man known as the financier of the revolution and considered one of the founders of the US financial system. These three come in very very important men and as legend goes Betsy Ross recognized George Washington immediately. And they said MS Ross we need your help. We we have to were part of the continental congresses flag committee and we've been tasked with coming up with the flag. Will you help us create this flag? And she basically said let me see what you get. Yeah. She said we'll first of all my husb-. Passed away six months ago. So why are you bothering me of people? Right. And uncle George was like, I know, but you're still family. You still got Ross on your name, and this will make for a good story later. Right. So she looks at the the design and she said, this is not bad. She said, but you may want to change the proportions a bit and her real in. This is kind of the one thing that I think most historians do agree on is that her one big change design. Wise was changing the star from six pointer to a five pointer. Right. If you if you agree that that Betsy Ross did have a hand in making the original flag than yet. You probably say, that's probably correct. And apparently just because it was easier on her to cut. Yeah. I think though that they were saying like five pointed stars would be harder than a six point seven. She said, no, no. And like without her scissors and cut up some either cloth or paper and showed them. How easy wasn't there? Like, oh, that's beautiful. Awful and George Watson was like are. We still talking about this. Can we go? He's like, why am I gonna upholstery shop? Why am I in this story? It doesn't even make sense that I would be here. Oh, save that. Okay. So they said sure that's fine easier to cut you've proved it even though George Ross over there. Trying to cut the six and proof are wrong. The sun went down came back up. He was missing a fingertip. And so they said that that that's fine. Let's just do it. And they draw the new sketch. They incorporate hurt her new star. And they said get to it kind lady. And she did. And it's a it was a big flag. It wasn't like this was when they were gonna fly, you know, out in public. So it wasn't like a little tester flag. Right. So it took a while. And what would it take a few days? Maybe. And she finally says here's what I've got. And they say this is great. Let's see how it looks on the massive ship hoisted up ship, right? And they said all right. I think we're good to go here everyone today. Oh, basically, that's it. You know? It's just occurred to me Chuck is how closely our history associated symbol drunk history episodes. I know except for sober, right? But the so the flag is it's been proven on this massive ship. It looks beautiful and they go back to Betsy Ross, and they say Betsy organ, eat a lot more. These the implication is commerce takes over and Betsy becomes wealthy and secures her her her place as one of the the important figures of early American history. That's right. Here's the thing though, is that there is no proof or evidence at this happened. This all comes from a story that her grandson William can be told an eighteen seventies. So she's been fast away for what thirty years more almost close to forty. Yeah. Between thirty and forty so she, but but it wasn't like she died a hundred fifty years before when her grandson wrote it down like he had known her in his lifetime. Yeah. And he said that his aunt had told him this ten years before. And instead, this isn't she? Told me the story he recounted it probably a much nicer way than we just did. And he told this in a speech at the Pennsylvania historical society. And this was you know, eighteen seventy eighteen seventy Sixers right around the corner. Everyone's getting all all hot and bothered by the upcoming celebration. Right. And I think everyone to sort of well, we get to the reasons why. But everyone definitely bought into this like this is great. Let's run with it. Right. And so here's about where historian say, okay. All right. So William be produced the story in a speech to the historical society. It took place a hundred years after the thing happened almost forty years after Betsy Ross died, it's family lower. And apparently, they got other people from the family to come testify. Like, yes, they've heard this story multiple times in very similar interational. It's like the story of how our ancestor. Grandmother an or whatever she was to them. So the first American flag, and they say, okay, we don't think that the Ross in clay pool families are liars by any stretch. They're not like just didn't make it up. You know, right. That's kind of the the the the what's it called? When you give somebody the benefit of the doubt disbenefit of the benefit of the doubt that historian Cindy, give the families that they're they're not just like liars who made this up, but but it is family Lawrence O historians kind of approach with a little bit of grain of salt. The thing is there's no other family in the United States who saying actually, it was our grandmother who made the the first American flag or my grandfather was at that meeting. And he was the one who came over the stars. There's nothing like that. There's no other competing stories to this. What to this family story? The reason why historians take with a grain of salt because again. Like, you said there's just no documentary evidence whatsoever to show that it ever did take place yet. And there's like there are few flags here red flags that is about why this may not be true. What I think is that it is a version of the truth. And then history tells reps a good story around it, right? There was no record of a flag committee being formed. The fact that George Washington was there is just doubtful in and of itself as a huge superstar army general in American hero that he would be like, we're kind of kidding around. When he's like, why am I here? But why would he have been there in person not only that this is this was recounted by William canby as a congressional committee for the flag, and there's two problems with that one. George Washington wasn't a member of congress. Right. So again, why would they send him along with this committee? Eighty and then Secondly, congress never in any way, she perform on paper at least took up the flag. The details of the flag until seventeen seventy seven a full year after the story supposedly took place. That's right. There are few things working in her favor. Here. It is verified that she was paid a pretty good sum of money that same year by the Pennsylvania state navy board. Okay. I saw that. She did make flags for the Pennsylvania navy. Well, this is where it gets all murky because there's another man which will get into. Let's put a pin in that though. Oh of that guy for now. Okay. All right 'cause we were getting pretty fast and furious. And there's also a painting supposedly dating to eighteen fifty one a different painting that shows her sewing an American flag. But I don't think they have like officially authenticated that it's from eighteen fifty one eighteen fifty one. Yeah. Okay. But here's what I don't understand those a painting eighteen fifty one. I mean, supposedly, none of this happen till eighteen seventy. The Camby story. Yeah. Like when the big meeting took place. I mean, that's when that's when William Camby told that family story, but the fact that there's a painting that predates his speech by nineteen years showing the same thing. Sure. Glint support to his story for sure. All right. But it's still that's an eighteen fifty one painting depicting something that happened seventy five years prior. Right. Sorry. My math was I forgot one hundred years heavy figures to carry the one. But again that that painting is not I don't think fully authenticated. So who knows if that's true or not one of those dirty lying Ross Klay pool. Family members did it like two thousand twelve but he's less Klay pool for a minute. And I was about to run out of the room less. Klay pool. I'm not a prime guy. So I wouldn't call primus guy either. But I I like some of their songs. Yeah. Yeah. So Chuck, you wanna take another message break and then come back and get to it. Get to the the truth about the flag. Sure. Hi, there stuff, you should know friend. 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He he kind of was in fact, the designer he designed quite a few things back then for United States right in the first thing that he did was say I want payment of a quarter cask of wine. But then he said actually, I want twenty seven hundred pounds which would be like half a million pounds today. Wow. Apparently it bureaucracy took over and they batted back and forth. And then we're like, we'll know we're paying you as an sort of that like working for a corporation in owning your own IP. And they're like, no, we're paying you. Anyway, this is ours. And when you look at what he filed for and this is where the naval thing comes in. It was for the naval flag of the United States is what he requested payment for right, supposedly the quarter. Cask of public wine was for the American flag. And the the big old like twenty seven hundred pound Bill was for the naval flag and. That's the only one that congress responded to just totally ignored the first one. I guess. Yeah. But this is where I just get a little confused like it was important. And that's the kind of one of the keys here too. Is that they needed a flag? It wasn't just like I mean, there were practical reasons it's not like we just wanna fly a flag like in battle flags are very important or they were back, then right? Because if you're a small navy, and you didn't have a flag that everyone knew as, you know, the the United States would be basically don't bomb me. Right. Exactly. Don't shoot I'm friendly with you heated enable flag. Right. So they had they there are a bunch of flags that that you could find in revolutionary America at the time. There was some very famous ones that you would recognize today, the Washington squadron. That's a good one. It is. It's a white flag with a green pine tree. Yeah. To heaven to right, which is the point of that is to say that when you revolt you're you're going above the king's head because the king was the head the divine. Right. Like, they they ruled by you know, on behalf of heaven. So by revolting against the king. You're going to heaven the kings boss in saying, hey, we want to get rid of this guy. Yeah. But the pine tree there was actually a revolt that was that took place a few years before the Boston tea party, even it was the first revolt in the in the colonies against the king the first actual revolt. And it was because the king said I own this pine tree I own that pine tree. I this pine tree, and they were to make ships mass out of their very very valuable. But the king was keeping all the good ones in. So these mill owners just started cutting up the kings ones as well. And the sheriff in I can't remember where it was but came to arrest a mill owner and some other mill owners came around and they beat the sheriff up and chase them off. And that was the. I actual- act of rebellion in the call. And he's that's why the pine tree became a symbol of rebellion revolution. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that until today. It's a symbol of pain in my butt. If you're king the king the king of England. But it's a pretty flag. It's all right. Okay. Are you a gadston flag person? No, okay. That thing too much controversy this very famous don't tread on me flag. Right. Rattlesnake coiled up saying don't mess with Texas. Texas. Don't try to me is what it says. Yeah. And then there's of course, the sons of liberty flag nine vertical stripes red and white. It's fine in this in this one took different different the one we stuck with with the thirteen stripes and thirteen stars over the Bluefield in the upper left corner. There were different designs for that. Including one that I think I might have liked better. Well, one time they had thirteen stars in forming a square, but then they had one where they were in an arch over seventy six which I think would kinda cool. That's a boss flag. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed for a little while they had the American flag the red and white stripes thirteen red and white stripes as a field on the flag. And then the canton, which is a square in the upper left corner which can be up to a quarter of the size of the flag. And it's still considered a canton. Was the Union Jack the these weird ish flag? Yeah. It looks real weird. And they they apparently were running into trouble flying that too because it was a little confusing. So they abandoned that and as legend has it that flag is what what what showed that they really needed an official United States flag. So that's supposedly is what led to that? Betsy Ross flag, which was thirteen stars in a circle on canton, a blue canton with the thirteen alternating red and white stripes. Yeah. I would say the very least the union the grand union flag as it was known with the Union, Jack in the corner was highly confusing in battle, right? So congress becomes clear to them that they that. Yes. They need to flag. We need a national flag. But the the big distinction between what actually happened. And this the story of Betsy Ross is that they didn't say anything about the flag until June fourteenth seventeen seventy seven. When they passed a flag resolution, and they just basically said, yeah, these are these are some things we want on the flag, and that's it. And that's the first time there's any trail any paper trail of the United States actually thinking and talking about and discussing flag, and we have every other change from then up to I think nineteen fifty nine or nine hundred sixty from seventy and seventy seven onto the mid twentieth century. I know every change that was made because they documented it, but this alleged first Betsy Ross flag took place outside of that documented history. Will they may not have known at the time. You know that this was something important. I guess so so, you know, why does this happen? Well, there's a lot of reasons. One reason was even way back in the eighteen seventies. There was a notion that women were doing some great things and being overlooked, and they wanted to inspire young women and girls across the country to do great things as well. So what better way to do? So than to sort of gussie up this Betsy Ross story, right? There's also like a desire for you kind of referenced it earlier about the centennial coming up in eighteen seventy six there was like a real hunger in the United States, which was a relatively young country to to to have its own mythology. So that's what some of these stories that were being kind of generated in rehashed or put down on paper for maybe the first time that that's what they provided was this. This shared national history that that the United States citizens were kind of like rallying behind. Yeah. That's a good example of why that would have taken off and become cemented. Yeah. The other thing that cracks me up as the fact that George Washington was in the story himself, right? Because apparently he was just such a legend at the time. And just you know, emblematic of what this country was in would be is that he turned up in a lot of stories that he was he was never really at. All right. 'cause I mean does it time where people would just tell the story and be like and guess who else was there? Maybe if they're losing the crowd General George Washington himself the crisis gas since it's up. Yeah. That's if the crowd, and then, of course, the easiest explanation is that, you know, it's a simple story, and it's easy to tell. And it's pretty streamed line has a nice beginning middle and end, and it's much better than some weird convoluted retailing that no one would remember anyway. Right. So here's where Francis. Hopkinson comes in the story. It's a get a little muddy here kid, but just fine. But then money and then it was a naval flag. 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When Francis Scott key looked up in the dawn's light and saw that it was still flying over there. Despite a massive assault by the British and was inspired to write the star spangled banner, which became the national anthem and nineteen thirty three. I believe. Nineteen thirty one. Of course, is what I meant amazing. So that's the flag in Betsy Ross go forth and tell the truth. And if you know more about Betsy Ross, you can read this article fine one by Ed Grabowski, actually on how stuff works that calm since. I said that it's time for listener mail. Call this really cool Email from an Atari guy. This is thrilling. Hey, guys. Love the show worked at Atari in the late seventies. 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Betsy Ross - She Brings the "FIGHT" to Reality (Interview 10-12-2019)

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Betsy Ross - She Brings the "FIGHT" to Reality (Interview 10-12-2019)

"Here with us and we also have special guest and author Betsy Ross Betsy how're you doing great how about yourself I'm welcome back to bear stuck here on Wer Devi radio dot net on Boehner would get frosty and wink what you were supposed to do to us your veteran and that's how it should be semantics if you WANNA get that but I digress hobby I started writing than I developed characters that could signify these stereotypes that we have in not helping the veteran community. It's not helping anybody so I want I wanted to do something to give myself I guess have problems transitioning out of the military into the civilian world of all genders and ranks experience was pretty much short-lived unfortunately I had gotten injured but sows only in the army for a couple of years but the transitioning out was deploy 'cause I didn't do anything but yet I was trying to say that I wasn't veteran and I realized that's not helping the mental health it's invite series try to reach out nice now you said you had your personal experiences through the military and then after you you did mention that veterans do have and military service members on top of that if like I said we wanNA place a matter earn community that kind of portray why suicide rates are increasing. Why is transitioning for veterans so difficult for so many for all all Jane all genders all ranks everybody you said something that we've talked about here on this show we try to let people know that is there anything that you would you did put into the fight series that you will people to just because you didn't you know go overseas or you were in a combat theater or whatever debtor in as defined by the government is completely different as like I had no help jumping cashed couch I couldn't find a job I was struggling eventually somehow dug myself out and the fight series and yourself if you wouldn't mind could you please give us a little bit of background about yourself and a New Year of veteran yourself so if you wouldn't mind just pretty rough for me started a bunch of obstacles which did eventually lead to me wanting to write a book series to try to help veterans his after you got out is that what inspired you to do the plight series or is it a little bit more in depth than well my life inspired like hey yeah that's me or is it a broad spectrum of anyone that reads it and I definitely try to reach out to anyone who would who would be able to read it that is one I wrote it so short so that those who do have ptsd or anything they can still manage through reading it I and how I experienced and overcame some obstacles but when writing about such in-depth emotions I guess really all the above because I mean I've always wanted to be a writer ever since I was a kid but I didn't know what I would write about and then I know that's not now but I'm it was well if you're not suicidal then you can't speak with anyone so because the va denied me and they did try to go to the Va for counselling could I knew I probably need to speak to someone and they denied me 'cause I was not medically discharged I picked out characters that can relate to anybody I guess on the emotional side of it I do put myself a quick history on all of that and then we can talk about your series in your book and where you WanNa go with that and all that so I guess my a lot of people don't like facing those so I tried to make it realistic enough to where it hits home they not so much I want to durins and military service members active or not defunct and we define that as long as you made it to your first duty station and you serious correct all right for our listeners that may have not heard me and only and I think Rossi has chimed in during the other shows talk about basically show the real what's going on behind the scenes bright and reading the first installment of when I really started thinking about how veterans were treating veterans because I even had veterans they simply harass and bully me in personnel line because I didn't right I got that like you said you know you don't want to push it to the point where everybody's going to be like screw this person right and the one thing I've noticed in entertainment when it comes to realistic fiction or nonfiction or even biographies day correct me if I'm wrong but a few of the things that I noticed while reading it could be different for anybody but besides yeah what she said might be true but you know whatever screw you know but at the same time you've got to have that Hook you've got to and comes the explosions sprinkles and Unicorns as you see in Hollywood right so and you mentioned ptsd and you don't always push the envelope but they push the envelope and that's what you're doing and the way you're doing it is completely what is because somebody goes and reads some navy seals you know six man tag team on Osama bin Laden or whatever PTSD was physical disabilities depression survivor's guilt is is that something that you meant to put into over and they're like oh he's a bad ass yeah they they do this and do that but they don't see the aftereffects they only see the good times fun times have it backfire where I'm just kicking veterans not trying to do that I'm not trying to make fun of anybody I'm not trying to you know make veterans look bad I'm just trying to on some very generalized very well known stereotype to very well-known things we do see such as your amputees you have ah you and I taught you know throughout Uh uh trying to get you here on the show and finally you at least the first book like I said only read the first one but is that what you wanted to portray in this one yes a little bit I've I've tried to pick up they have brought in some characters who were injured physically injured and it's I don't want it to I don't WanNa lose focus like I don't want it to be a love book I don't want it to be all explosions in gunfire I don't want just those type of so someone like this or if they at least have a family member who had came home and was an acting what they remembered them to be you know they would be the plan the series to be a four book series Nearly Completed Book three but I wanted to focus on the emotional side the veterans veterans but specially with friends and family right and I felt that through some of the first book I don't like I said no look or music or or movie or show the consumer get something different than what the author always portrays I don't care what it is but physical things I wanted to be all emotional and mental that way it hits people on a deeper level where they actually think either they're going through going hey I've done this or if that was your intentions are not because every authors different and everybody that reads something or seeks anything in entertainment in in any way shape or form whether it's your fetus do you have your very depressed or those who turn to alcohol or drugs in all this so throughout pd was everything to me. I love so for me to get injured I all of a sudden guy put on oh I can't remember what they call them now do things that I really really stuck out to me and I wrote notes in the book I don't know if anybody else does that but idea because I'm cool like that cloy Afghanistan and they ended up chap during me out today needed able bodies to go and I ended up on injury in the injured platoon and then all of a sudden it was like oh well she's just the ship bag now she's just like everyone else like the self realization you know I failed as a soldier I noticed that was one of the big parts of at least so don't feel bad and then I was like okay and then my unit was ready getting ready to went with me when I got out of the military I went back home but nothing was right like I didn't feel normal I didn't feel only injury I told anybody really was just my arm I didn't say anything about mental or anything so that definitely and civilians feel that to some extent another no matter what job you've had no matter what you've done in life there's always that moment we don't feel like we fit in another huge thing that really jumped out at me because DVD as a as a whole not in a very good state of mind so for me to be chaptered out with probably a good thing but I wasn't medically discharged I I didn't where you don't feel like you quite fit in when you return to friends and family for whatever reason human instinct whatever you WANNA call it survivor's guilt from combat loss and especially the suicide that was one thing that really hit me in this book I said Okay I guess if I'm not needed I kinda just went with it because at that point I was falling into a depression anyway I was in a very very ugly marriage at the time I was one of your characters in here is that true yes it definitely was for me I was that Gung Ho shoulder when I went in I wasn't empty I never women who needs volunteering I'll be I'll do it let's do it all you gotta mission how to convert okay let's do it let's do it but then when I get injured in PD I'm a personal trainer will be there and one of our main missions is the twenty two a day but the suicide and combat walls and the Oh to go hey or is this what you're thinking is this what's going on I want it to be where family members and veterans keep hammock get that communication like I could be anywhere right I completely understand I think a lot of our listeners and veterans or service members or or what have you talk about any of that well I know when I was still at Fort Bliss I had a good friend of mine sweep went out it was a memorial but that felt a little more personable than some of the other stuff in the book I mean not going to there was some stuff I was like she's talking from experience she has to be and then when I seen some of the suicide stuff I was like definitely do you want to we out there but at the end of the day whether it's fear or their emotions or whatever they won't talk about it they won't put it out there in the aspect that needs and then it was like I questioned everything and then when I got home out of military another good friend of mine was found dead in his various on my truck I have a list of names of in memory of all people who have died and unfortunately I think all but one had a few hours later we had gotten a call yet on himself and that was pretty much start of all the downfall of mine tired to be shown that needs to be seeing that needs to be heard another thing I really noticed was the barracks in college habits or infantry anyway but I was definitely you know when I got my dog tags I was like Oh my God i Miss Odor I was that type of soldier whereas like actually at least talk about it talk about no one else is going to talk about that that really sets up my mission with veterans united are dark period of my life and because I had just spoken with them we had just party together it was very it really hit home and it was just like everyone around me was just dying his all my friends were just committing suicide so in each book you'll see the list of names including so and then of course any local veterans you know how wasn't a cool veterans so I didn't have any cool stories to tell so I didn't have anybody our entire chain of command was just dying and I know I've attempted if you time so for me to still be here whatever lead to self medication and then on top of that the crowded room but alone stealing in like you said on you just are you referring to sit call rangers that an ASC when I hurt my back for the first time doubling needs to be heard most exactly and you and I both discussed at length you know people say they WanNa talk about it say it needs line was that intended don't both of those or did that just flow into the case again four day weekend we went off to the lake and we try to get one of our friends out come with us he said no I'm going to be fine and an and like I said I've had other veterans bully me saying I shouldn't talk about what I don't know about and I shouldn't do this and I'll and the really all I can say is well you're not going to talk about it and you've been there who's GonNa talk about it right to beat up who's going to bring it up on the level that sod or felt especially whether I wanted to end it all or that I you know I missed it I wanted to go back in and then again I didn't and it was just and I couldn't find a job I couldn't do anything so it was very hard on reality season definitely and like I said everybody gets their own take from any book that they read and I wanted to briar listeners to hear from you yeah this was therapeutic for myself because I mean the va didn't listen to me Janet Brandon listen to me and then of course my so called friends still in the service stopped talking to me so I just have these characters and I'm trying to express just how deep these scars can go for so many of us and I tried to pick up on some of the at this internal fight just keeps building and building and then you just WanNa explode but what can you do my thing was alcohol I'm Ben tastic super great it's wonderful wonderful we it's just it's just now you're the author of the so from a structured you know this what you do this is how you do it you know the whole nine yards two you're on your own you know kind of like the military has done with you facility those those are definitely Ron Real I mean every author regardless of what book it is they do put themselves in the book and for this series it's been kinda especially hard for servicemembers making I don't care if he did one year two years four years eight years or twenty years I found it extremely difficult transitioning talked to betsy about regarding the fight series one two or both of them well I think she nailed it on the head when she said transitioning is typical events or thoughts in 'cause I know for a fact I'm not alone I know I'm not alone in the things I have not going to lie I had to quit for minute which is perfectly fine like I told everybody in on can I can attest to it this is one of those books that you could start it well this was a you know stuff like that I know you're at work and if there's no jet slider head what would you like to ask died by suicide including sergeant staff sergeant so it was like all ranks it wasn't just hides in specialists it was everybody which is like the your time and your free you know I think the transition record of it was something that I picked the right away 'cause you know some of those feelings like you mentioned I picked on those right away it was definitely difficult even after retiring to actually put myself in the civilian shoes again if that makes even reading this book it brought back so many not necessarily bad memories but those I deployed I didn't experience a lot of the same things but a lot of the thought processes that your characters had experienced after memories that you second guess and like I said it's not always a bad thing to think those it's according to how your correct correct both very good books and what would you like to talk to betsy about her ask her pertaining to either one of them other fight series she has currently fight and fight to to fight again correct wanted to make sure sorry what I've been through and you know having to deal with the emotional toll sitting on my ass you know twenty four seven for the last ten years on the couch in like frosty said ask served and deployed and even doing what I've done currently she's working on fight three now frosty sir you've read stem talking about them obviously but the fact that you drew some things out of me that a lot of people can't I don't it's because I was reading it and I was along but like like frosty set appreciate that the the way you wrote it and stuff like that but to actually understand what they were feeling during that time or like I said coming back and trying to deal with those demons I really enjoyed them and like Bo is saying where he had to set the book down actually consciously had to start doing that with each sections. I'm normally an avid really made me think a lot which was something that I haven't had a book doing a long time I really appreciate it that mission complete yeah definitely here and I'll read a book front cover to cover and almost no time at all but I found I was reading little sections and setting it down because I was even though as a marine got out and it was kind of I'd have to set it down because I start thinking about some of those things that I had thought about after getting out that was really a lot of service members like you said felt feel and you know struggle with on daily basis so I think you to me I think you put it in perspective that anybody whether they're civilian hi lighted in both the fight invite to was spot on I think you know some of those feelings emotions demons that you mentioned in the books is something that wish together and let's go to jail and let me use my college professor English Ninety four degree or whatever that's not so with these books you actually use everyday language I know in the second book because I like to flip through to make sure all the and that's another thing most authors had to be all grammatically correct you know let's put British American and I think you're republishing but we'll get into that in just a moment but in the second book you do have a glossary of acronyms like I said I I was air force so you know some of the the ptsd stuff you know microcosm mechanics so I didn't get to experience a lot of the stuff that you know armie brothers and sisters did so I think he did a tremendous job of laying out to where like I said somebody like myself yes I've heard of Edo people going on you know the combat me they had I think you nailed it I think it was spot on and I think if a lot of folks out there listening right now that are you know like myself this kind of like well the military which I think is outstanding not just for those of us he's not been in an forever but for civilians and people who may not ages are there because I don't trust a Lotta publishing companies I've had that happen before of head pages missing believe it or not and even though it's not in the first one to be aware of some of these acronyms are serving or served and haven't been updated was that conscious or was that something that you the main focus is the veteran but I want to be able to get families to communicate with their veteran as well so I opened up that I'll be talking to a mechanic friend of mine and when I was deployed I was a Cook even though I've done some other stuff outside of that my main job was a cook and to him and there are some things that are probably not needed to be explained civilians or people that's never wanted to reach veterans but after I had published it I started having more more friends and family who actually began reading they're like well this actually can help families it really means a lot questioned it so if you're just tuning in we're here on barracks talk on radio dot net would betsy Ross the author they're really deployed it all I don't know I've never experienced it I tell you what pixelbook revolt and you're gonNA be hooked a I think he did a tremendous job they had to do the trash runs every day eight times a week twice on Sunday because of Brunch but anyway we had appeal us and you tell people would appeal less what's PM CS because they had the they they they're like deer in the headlights when you say that you know you might as well be talking astrophysics served day in her life to pick up the book read it and understand what that individuals feeling and going through so I think you need to bring this jobs the veterans main mission but when I said we'll let's right fight too that's when I added in the military terms I started to to unlike well I guess it could and then I kinda just spilled everything else I like some of the situations I'll say it will now you are a self publisher and you're doing this on your own as much as possible and to see where it lean so well sorry what are the special one of the best acronym jokes ever heard was they done the leadership thing the L. D. R. S. H. P. You know loyalty duty respect no longer published with the venture so I'm I'm going to republish it again so published and once I can Dan when your spouse or your best friend is saying whatever acronym and they've done this and they've done that if I if I this is the reason why they do that some veterans don't like that because you don't have to Babysit so much you don't have to break it down so much in the civilian doesn't get it they don't get it but and I didn't I kind of had an idea what some of the acronyms were but we'll use a little bit different ones and it helped me kind of Oh that's what she's talking about for fight three and fight four and so on and so forth let's see fight one right now it's just available on kindle I had his it was strictly supposed to try to reach veterans That's why I just stuck with the acronym that just stuck with the jargon in everything about mach training and that led to whatever and that's what triggers my ptsd what's trading day SORTA Kinda need to know that arms or with those acronyms are I think he did a tremendous job of adding that in that the second book yeah as as Cheesy as it sounds for have husbands or wives that have deployed in May themselves have never experienced and they're they noticed a change in their significant other of you know you know how to deal with military soldiers and personnel but on that same token like you said it's it's better to under and why don't you just fill out leadership and he's like because that's the best thing about the army you don't have to spell so I come from your humble beginnings is amazing would you like to tell our listeners where they could find your book and what your plans are so it's it's very important if I can try to reach out to people who were willing to give me more of the personal side of what they it's like in the jokes are GonNa come I'm just waiting for anyway oh even to go along with that the FBI from different branches of service as Marie there's mainly from a veteran expected I'm still trying to find interviews in people who are wind tell me stories on that but but yes I've been respective and stuff like that is there a way people can reach out to you if they want to let you know what their story is or how I books but at the same time I do try to listen to readers in its if there's a perspective or story that they have that I can put a twist parents because not everyone even realizes that a veteran who has all this training you know all these magnificent metals and whatnot and but because of that everyone has story everyone has their own way you mentioned people telling stories from the on on one of my characters than I can definitely do that that's one great thing about being a writer but the thing is every veteran has a story everyone not up on chapter wine right away even when you move on you tended rethink everything that flashbacks invite to kind of suspend with relationships different frosties us to Crayola acronyms is we don't just harming Motech I went to school with with me I would be completed by the end of the year I guess destroyed quick fight could suspend on the introduction of PT Why why are they acting weird now you know what was going on you know for them to actually

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Continuing The FIGHT - Betsy Ross Returns (Interview 03-07-2020)

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Continuing The FIGHT - Betsy Ross Returns (Interview 03-07-2020)

"Let's get it out. You're listening still. Td our own DD radios dot net five veterans four veterans skin playmate fee. You simply made for you here on. Www DOT net. This is very suck. Again I'm Boehner. Would we got frosty and Miss Betsy? Ross with US tonight before we go into why she's here as you heard in the break service dog show is brand new scat. Nps JOAQUIN. What Todd tomorrow night? Twenty eight hundred eight. Pm Eastern Standard Time. They do speak with the founder and director of Tattersall train a dog save a warrior Bart Sherwood About Tad's all program veteran suicide military sexual trauma and much much more. This is his return For I think the second time He was owned back when it was just a service dog show with. Ptsd all about a year year and a half ago or so. But that's a brand new episode tomorrow night. Twenty hundred eight. Pm Eastern time here on DVD radio dot net following that Monday as usual RUPP podcasts. At seventeen hundred. Pm Eastern Standard Time with our good old residential could nook and I don't know what episode or anything because I have gotten to anything so hopefully that'll be up soon if not it will be a rerun following that on teased at nineteen hundred seven. Pm is tones media litters sandwich. Who got another audio engineer on the show this week? Also there 'cause player actually it's a guy and he's both not minor league either. This is a professional audio engineer. And a member of the five hundred first star wars caused played people think Matthew Hutchins from obsidian audio talks about the pains of the screen accurate causley costume and stories from a variety of recording sessions. Please join us on. Dvd Radio Dot net when the website is back over and speak with towed and chat room during his show. 'cause I know he likes to chat with you guys and I know you guys are listening because I can see the reports on how three sixty five succumb to radio DOT net. Listen and talk with toon and anybody else. That is in the chat room on our show nights now with out further. Ado Betcha rush how you do a girl. I'm good out. They ended and the rain. So it's been what's about eight months since you were last on something like that. Yeah and you came on to talk about the Fight Series. And you're still gonNA hate necas not yet read too but I I get out of and I love the first book And I really do need to read the second one Because I love the first one so much. Menial talked about it at extent I'll fly about where we fake Not just your stories. But the these discussions need to go in the topics at hand and the subject matter and all that. What's going on with the fight series? In what have you been up to your past Eight or so months and really trying to get fat three published. It's complete I just have to go through all the editing processes in go through the actual publishing processes as far as The formatting and getting it really ready to go but I've already started fight floor in right now. Four still the set Limit for the series. And then I'll might be able to try to combine them in a different book. But that's still debatable. Cool cool so for those that just now tuning in and has no clue who betsy Ross is. She's an awesome woman Finally has a website that you can actually go to you without me. How did the here the cipher her? Your L. is not that complicated. Abc It is pretty direct. It was just. It was very long Long I had to give her hill about it. But it's a betsy Ross. Authored DOT COM now correct cracked. And you've got a whole new look over there. I love what you've got going on. I don't care what anybody says So with fight three. How is it different from fight one and two for those? That may have read the first to sue book books in the series or maybe interested in reading the series and have not read it. Read it at all will for each book in this series. They are pretty unique by themselves however they do have build upon. It's one of those stories that it just keeps building. Because one thing I really went into incorporate was that the veteran community is basically each individualize their own story as far as being in the military. And what they endured and experience but it's basically a network effect. We all have good qualities about us in. We can still help each other. In Beatles leaders were in the military and with fight it. Kinda starts off with that? Ptsd Story with veterans. Just coming home in that. Shell shock moment where they're like. Wait a minute. I'm not who I was when I was living here. So you know. Things have changed and invite to kind of goes on with relationships but fight three wanted to kind of incorporate as far as Drug use and DISA- different perspective of delayed onset. Ptsd and how even just slight things can just make. Flashbacks come about Even though it sudden it's sudden for the individual it said for those around them and it's it's really hard for a really to describe it's even as I was writing I was like how am I gonNa find whereas I had issues with this. It was kind of like I don't know how to do this. And then one day. I just started writing like okay. We're going to do this but fight for me hoping to incorporate police officers and seeing a different perspective with firefighters and paramedics. I desperately need to find those interviews to help me get more insight but each book is more or less. It's story but it does build upon it it kind of branches out. You still see the older characters as you go. If you have read fight or fight to it does include some of those characters but as you keep going on you're going to see more characters and most people already complain that jumps around so much so I can't jump around every character you come across but I do try to you know. Keep it interesting for everyone story because life does go on for all of this but you just gotTa Kinda hang in there with each one. 'cause every story really builds upon itself especially as the story goes on right. Yeah I know some of the things that people say about it really pisses me off but But everybody has their own opinion. A lot of interviews you've had that get the Fortune to watch or listen to you in my times of can't sleeping. I noticed that a lot of them gravitate towards this fiction. And that's all they say. This is fiction. This is fiction this section of her that so many times. And I'm like the story itself fixated but the subject matter is real. And it's it's you're trying to convey what happens after service to a right deal of jeter INS and those that were in the military correct correct like well a thank you and I had the conversation. What was it maybe a month ago and we were talking about People that make these books and for lack of a better term. It's a Hollywood spectacle. It in my opinion They talk about their missions and what they done during service in how they lead up to service but like mean you keep going back to. Nobody talks about the issues at hand after the fact what happens after that because we can sit here all day and talk about our time in the military and we have at extent however to do what we want to accomplish as far as our mission with the twenty two a day and fighting the PTSD or the M. S. T. Or or whatever problems you may have mentally emotionally physically. That happened during service you have to talk about. The subject matters that you're talking about and you talk about a lot of that in these books correct. I definitely try to now. It's yeah go ahead I was going to. I was what I was just going to say. That it's part of it is that I I didn't experience everything in the military raving though I try to reach out to every branch. I don't have all this terminology. I don't have the jargon. I don't have everything how everyone worked so I can only speak from the army's perspective but again I didn't have those cool jobs and see cool things so I need those experiences to explain it in the fight series however to explain that to somebody regardless of what they've experienced. They don't like that will you? Didn't you weren't there? You don't understand therefore I'm not talking to you right and that bothers me because it's like okay. What are you going to do about it? How are you going to lead people who are struggling with those same things that you are struggling with daily right? It is a very big issue and I really think that we need to quit. Diverting from each other and veterans need to unite regardless of branch gender rank. Whatever really need to unite. Because okay I wasn't there. Whatever happened to you but someone else was. We are not alone. Amy Thing we experienced in the military. Have you gotten the well? Why why didn't they read a book about such and such generation have you? Have you gotten that yet? I have had talk about the previous wars. I've had people ask heavy written about Does it include Vietnam that other generations which is very difficult to get into that mindset. 'cause as I mentioned to you and others before is that is a level warfare that I could never fathom that no one in our generation could ever them yet? I would never WANNA compete with that. I don't want as I try to repeat myself on social media. We should never compete pain. I S SOLDIERS. Regardless were marines our airmen or wherever it doesn't matter what branch or how much you experienced and overcame in what nine. We can't keep competing. We cannot say. Well you know I was a grunt therefore I did this and I had to kill this many people and I had to go on these missions. Therefore we're not. The same will never be the same. You'll never understand and I get it to some degree but you know even even with Vietnam bits and across the board all wars. You really can't see it from that way if you excuse people wanting to help wanting to seek help because if a Vietnam vet is surrounded by basically just the younger generation who went Afghanistan or whatever then they're gonNA feel like we'll they'll never understand you can't see it from that perspective you have to see. War is war. There's death there's probably loud noises there sleepless nights there's missions always going on. There's probably nothing going on. I don't know but whatever it is you can still talk about it. You can say well. We didn't have those guns. Those planes you did. But we can still correlate to some degree because depression doesn't care what you experienced. It'll hit you regardless. Ptsd everyone can have it regardless of what played new flu guards about mission. You were on but Garda's war you fought and it's really hard to get people to really see it that way. You're definitely right. If you're just tuning into barracks talk here on. Dvd Radio Dot net w dvr loud through sixty five more than likely you're listening to his at We are talking with Betsy. Ross about her fight series flight one into his out now not purchase to purchase them in. Read them please do. So you can go to betsy. Ross author Dot Com and just click on the buy now and you can get by we're talking about Why what She's trying to convey with these books. Were also talking about her upcoming Addition to this series fight three last night. I I even told you earlier today. This happened when I posted Excuse me About your website. I had someone ask about Vietnam and did anybody write this book and that or the other and I'm not mad at this man at all. I understand where he's coming from But he sort of came off as he was upset that we were promoting. Betsy and I was like look first off. I don't know if there's a book out there to this degree For Vietnam veterans about their experiences. I don't know I've read a lot of research a wad of wars in history history. Don't know fucking love history like it's it's unfathomable to need at. Some of these people went through the things they did to get where we are today. But I digress and I told him I said look. It's never too late to start the discussion. They're still men and women live in from the Vietnam air today. Their kids are still living. It's never too late to sit here and say this is what I went through. This is what you need to know and I honestly think that we should have someone from the Vietnam Air. Sit there and talk about it just like betsy is sitting here trying to talk for. What US veterans and military have went through her argo in through on a daily basis? And she's completely right one hundred percent when she says she doesn't know what everybody went through however we all have to some degree or another got the same experiences you know. What the Depression it's like you know what? Ptsd is like. We've all had that moment of suicide. We've all had those moments that we can relate to. That's the thing. I don't care if you were an operator or a cook or a radio specialists or you work in the talk or you drove a truck. I don't care. I seen a lot of people get through a lot of bullshit and I was in a support unit. We self-sustained there so pretend months and some of the things that some of the people that have been on this show that were in Iraq with knee went through. They shouldn't of went through it because that wasn't their job but yet he did. And you know what a lot of the gung who rangers and operators day never went through it when they were there but yet someone who packs lunches for a living in the military went through more than someone that shoots up a building. We don't know what each other went through and with these books. I think you shouldn't look at it as the army. You shouldn't look at it as a psychiatrist or a doctor or how you would have read it. You should look at it as okay. This person experienced this. How can I relate to that? Am I wrong frosty link? It's like I said for someone like me was airforce right. You know interfere with the gear. I'm kind of confused it when somebody says. Ptsd 'cause like I said I I have not personally experienced it so through reading. Jj's books to read in the fight series books. It gives me more than I can relate to. You know it. Shed some light and some of those areas that when they say that they're having these flashbacks or use loud sounds bringing back these kinds of memories. They could say it without actually having to saying without experience it yourself. It's it's hard for me to relate to and I think the books do a great job with the characters in laying that out for somebody who may not have a clue or like you mentioned the no was it a different time frame is it is different. Obviously like you said you know the Vietnam wars of a lot different than what you know. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are so I think that like I think books do a great job of laying it out to where you know through characters to fictional characters puts light on real life events real life scenarios that people are facing death land. And don't get me wrong. I love a lot of Books That are are are about Navy seals and they talk about their missions and Tom Clancy series. I love those. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I love reading on because I love to see what quote unquote actually happened. However when people sit here and say we need to stand up for the veteran community and we need to talk about Xyz. What are you doing to talk about it? Are you talking about? Are you talking about the stuff? That is so taboo in society. I E suicide and depression that you don't have to mention it because I'd not really seen that and this is the first thing entertainment or otherwise that actually attacks those things at hand PROC- euro marine. How did you feel when you read the series what I read it? There were a few of the scenes little stuff that was brought up. That brought back memories and I kind of had to set the book aside and think about it for a little while before I could come back to it but overall I mean I thought it was really good that somebody especially with looking at kind of the aftermath of what's kind of what people are coming through when they go go back home afterwards and it really some of those thoughts that even without having the PTSD not seeing the combat not doing it. Because I was just a mechanic and rear It kind of helped me relate to those guys and some of the things that were even going on in my own head at times s after I got out right. So that's the marine in an air force guy and one scenes and shit and one didn't so I was a cook but I really didn't see any shit right. You know what I mean. You know what I meant by that I I was a cook. I was however I had to deal with some of our soldiers coming back to the COP at two o'clock in the morning because roller happened. And one of the special OPS numbers guy killed. You don't expect that you don't expect that Shit. We lost three officers. I believe three or four officers and I think eight soldiers. We were a support unit. You're not supposed to see combat when you're cook or mechanic that's what everybody keeps telling me. That's all I hear from operator. It doesn't matter does not matter like Betsy said war is war. No matter your job. Back TO BETSY. Sorry we went onto tangent there. But no what really bothers me with some of the people that bring you into interviews. And they're they're great interviews. Don't get me wrong by any means. They're wonderful interviews. They they attack a lot of the stuff that is further for their target audience But like I said one thing that really bothers me as they they grasped the the fact that it's all fiction centered around diction but they failed to mention that it's realistic fiction whereas like wing mentioned the story the characters their fictional however this is based on actual quote unquote experiences. That happened to us to you in real life after the fat and I honestly commend you on right you what. I've got on that scripts and I. I can't bring myself to write that one part about that. One one female. I cannot do it like I set here and I started and I can't do it. How you done this with three books. Like I knew it's taken you a minute. I know it has taken me years to get. What use you know script. That's one thing that I know. Our listeners is probably going to ask CAL it. Can we ask you how you deal with writing these books? Basically word at a time. Because as I've always told people it's hard for me to write it let alone reread it and I guess it sounds bad like why would be able to rejoin coke. She should proud of it. You should be this and that it's like it's intense like I made myself cry when I reread some of the sections in when I was writing fight one and just because I intentionally wrote it to be intense and emotional and gets the point and say things that I wanted to talk about and really basically make people feel whether you've experienced PTSD whether you've experienced suicidal tendencies or anything like that. I wanted to describe from an emotional state that characters feeling whatever it is. They're going through and I just wanted people to be able to connect you may not be pro war. You may be down with war you know. Be Done with four. But you really can't hate the the one the service member. Who's fighting it? Because guess what they're gonNA come home and this is what they're going to deal with if you see it from their perspective and you feel what they're feeling you may not know exactly what they're feeling or thinking but you have a sense just because that scene was described to you in such a way where you felt they were feeling then. I feel that we are hopefully sparking. Someone's mind where they can do something about create a program or help in their local communities and just help veterans or at least people in the mental health community. Even though I focus worn veterans it still can play a role and just mental health in general with you serve. Not so you know. I think that's really the hard ball. Truth is what people are having issue facing as far as dealing with the fight series in general whether reading it or talking about it because one it's too real people don't like talking about real life even for realistic fiction. And then of course with veterans they WanNa be all Gung Ho and bad ass and you know just talk about the good times which is great but there are those who are basically locked in their rooms thinking that no one can understand that they want to be Gung Ho. They want to be able to party but they can't get themselves to do it and they can't get themselves to talk about it because they don't know how to describe. I've had people come and tell me that. They basically read the book and gave it to their spouse and say this is exactly how I feel and it has helped their marriage like to me. That alone is a great testimony. Even when I first published fight I always said that just changing one life would be well worth all the all the hey. I had from even veterans and all the just the harsh thing some people have said about me. I should be able to write. This had no business writing about this just for that alone. That one testimony has made this all worth. I'm GonNa why I think you should be more than proud of it I understand why you can't reread it. I can't really listen to ninety nine percent of myself. Not because I'm not proud of it or the the salute shirt that we the OATH SHIRT. I should say that Beatty had a years ago. I hate listening to that Ad. I absolutely despite it like I hate it so much and people are like. Why do you hate it? It's such a great add. It bothers me mentally and emotionally to the point that I cry and I can. I can listen to it. I won't listen to it will not can do it. And it's just listening to the oath so but what bothers me again with what people get you in. Terms of feedback is the amount of. I don't want to call it hate but I guess disdain from the veteran community which is sad because then they turn around and say we should talk about Blah Blah Blah Blah and. I'm like you just told this person that they don't have that right double standard that we have in society. You know what I'm talking about. I know you know what I'm talking about. We thought about it And I think that bothers me. The most within our community as far as veterans in military is concerned. We sit here and we say hey you should go check into a buddy check on the twentieth or make sure Such and such as okay or. Let's do a fundraiser. Let's do twenty to push ups or let's do this suicide awareness. Ptsd and that's all good. But then you're gonNA turn around and tell someone hey were you there. Do you really understand. And and I can't stand that it's like you said we as a community should come together and be happy that once. Somebody's fucking talking about it because like she said. And I've said a thousand times over everybody's afraid of it because it's the truth and to go ahead go ahead Rossi. I wonder if maybe that hate comes because she hit the nail on the head so good so good. That's that's exactly what her and I talked about at extent. You know it's the Truth and truth hurts a lot of times. It's like I've let her read described. I've partially got made and I'd started writing a part of the scene for the female and I don't like writing it and I really don't like talking about it but Showed it to one of my friends. That's in the entertainment business and they were like. You can't write that you can't you can't do that and. I was like flabbergasted by this person. Because they'll they'll push they push the threshold when it comes to what they can and cannot do and I said why they said number one. Nobody's nobody's ready for that and I'm like. When are they going to be ready then went? Who's GonNa who's going to dictate when they're ready? Nobody's ready for it. Nobody's ever ready for it. I can tell you I hate talking about suicide but we have to do it from time to time. Eight talking about domestic violence. But we're getting ready to do an entire episodic series about it when when is the time there's always gonna be somebody that's going to be the first right and that's what. I told betsy not too long ago because her and I were having I think me and her both were having a bad diet and rail and she was like I. I don't think that anybody was ready for this. I think I should just give up and I'm like no because if you give up who's going to be the person that talks about it who's going to be that voice who's going to be the one that brings these subject matters to light and I'm really glad she didn't stop writing fight through the book. She was writing me and her thoughts about that. I mean if if not you then who if not now then win and I really get pissed off. Somebody tells me I can't do something because people aren't ready again. When is the right time? It's just like having a kid? You can never be prepared to Kim. I don't care if you're trump with bill gates is money. You're never going to be prepared to have the child. You're not it's impossible. It's all unique I. It's got to happen at some point in time anyway back to betsy. Ross so fight three. You're working on getting this thing published and other than mean you try to figure out zoom that one night too bad. I didn't cord that fiasco God boy with the storm. That night Do you have any dates in mind if you don't want to talk about that's perfectly fine That you're hoping to come out with it or that you want it to come out That way people can be getting ready. Like I said you don't talk about dates or anything like that. Now we can cut this out podcast and throw it away. I'm shooting for as soon as possible. They I mean definitely within the next month or two would be nice and do you mind if we talk about what we discussed a little bit. So I mentioned that we may or may not have a certain guest on Patriae on with their book series And it's Betsy Ross and We are GONNA do the same thing for her Book Three that. We are doing with Pts Dog and Carlos Book. Why is that Doggie in the store? And it's going to be a women amount of signed copies and all the money's GonNa go back to Betsy. I don't care what she says. She Can. Hush and keep math closed. But all you can hopefully look forward to that and the next month or two you. She said because those dates are coming up fast. Yeah 'cause me and her mate made a deal. As far as dates goes I was like we got this published by so so so as far as fight through his concern for those that have read the book for the series I saw. What can they be prepared to get from fight? Three China. Think an easy way to describe it. the show fodder anything. Well I wanted to definitely take spin more on drug use. 'cause I I feel that it's more common. Most people talk about 'cause no one wants to think about a veteran so many served their country as a drug user regardless of what it was airline cocaine. You name it It doesn't really go into much in debt. 'cause I don't WANNA lose. Focus to what the purpose was which I feel. A lot of people may get a little confused about whether you've read fight won her fight to and some people would say that will you should have or you could've Extended scene or extended some of the things you talked about or whatever and it's like I really didn't want to lose the focus of where the story was going so I don't go too much in debt as far as the drug easing but I do want it to bring it into the light right and then of course with Also wanted to put a spin on delayed onset PTSD. I think a lot of people are confused about that. Not just in. Ptsd's isn't so but it doesn't happen right away sometimes. Ptsd does not hit right as you come home or right as you come back from overseas if you were deployed in a new experience whatever. It doesn't always hit you. Sometimes you don't even realize something affected you until you're sitting alone in your room. You're like Oh my God. Why my so bothered by this right and so I really wanted to bring that about To make that important Of course if you are a big fan of Leslie throughout fight won by two. She definitely plays a big part in what she does and five three and And then fight for. I'm really hoping is kind of a big big finale. I don't want to give too much away fireworks. So that's for those that have read the series. What about those? That haven't gotten to read the series and are still contemplating it and if the about purchasing any of the books Definitely I'd have to advise to read fight. One fight to picks up right where if I went to ended fight threes. Kind of you know sometime later. But it's definitely have to read them in order and pay attention to each character. I mean I try to make it as obvious as possible but if full name gets mentioned it will be mentioned again and you have to pay attention to flashbacks. You got to pay attention to basically the names and I'm curious. I'm really am curious if my readers have caught some things that were mentioned invite wine but didn't get repeated until two and it's things like that I leave a lot of little. I WANNA call them secrets. But they're just like I guess just like hidden gems. I'm curious if people really catch on like or people really GonNa read the like actually understand what's going on but I don't know I'm just always waiting for what people have to say like little Easter eggs. Kinda cool now if you're listening to us and you've not read the series please. I'm begging you go to Betsy Ross. Authored DOT com tonight right now or if you're listening to us on podcast and purchase the books. They're not like forty dollars books and they're not two hundred page books. They're easy to read one hundred page books and like Brosse Oregon myself of all said you can read one sentence at a time when page at a time can take your time with it but please read it and accuracy read it. Leave your feedback whether it's constructive criticism or just say. Hey this helps me or whatever as long as you're not being a Dick 'cause I will get pissed and betsy see me get visits. I take a lot of that ship personal. I don't know why even before I started talking to betsy on a regular basis is started taking it personal but if you're going to criticize her do it in a constructive way. Help her to write the next book. That's what he is for. It's not to sit there and say you're wrong. You're not doing this right. Tell her how she can make it better for someone in your position or someone that needs help or needs to read something like this. Maybe it'll help her with her next series or her next outside of fight. Who knows I don't know she doesn't know that could spark another whole series. You'd never know Proc- now that you've mentioned that you got Easter eggs in there. Have to go back and read them again. I was just sitting. How is just sitting here when she said she's going to call me out on this when I actually do read fight and asked me if I notice something I know she will? Because it's betsy. Read them back to back. It was one book things that mentioned a one and then did get mentioned to later in the second one. I probably didn't catch it because like I said I read them back to back. It has pick up where I end it. So that's that's perfectly okay. You know what you're going to have to do. This is what you're going to have to do. You're going to have to open them both in read each page by reading it again and then come back and start. The next one should leave. The definitely went back. Fight one to Like I said I found them easy to read. It was a different. It's a different writing style if you're not used to it So that took a little bit of figuring out where she going with this. What's going on here it but as soon as I got it. I got it okay. This is a different style. Makes Perfect sense style and it was like I said it actually made a little bit easier to read as well like you said with the shortness of it being over the lower one hundred pages or so it actually where you can read a paragraph leave off and come back and not get lost so Definitely go back to back in like you said I'm asking back and actually read them again because some of the character names and stuff like that. I forgot by now was already planning third third one but now I definitely going. It's like binge-watching on net flicks and then a year later. The next season comes out and you have to watch the first season right before the next season. So what happened supernatural? You're welcome As far as reading style I'm one of those people that catches all in. Manama reading really quickly. So it didn't take me too much time to catch on to what she was doing. I think what a lot of people would probably have most trouble with is like she said the jump around and the flashbacks She writes flashbacks way differently than a lot of people I've ever seen. I love the way she does it. Personally it's it makes me feel like okay. I just had a flashback. Personally sitting in that character's demeanor and and sitting in their in their place and taking on whatever they're taking on a way she and she is a over descriptive but she's disgusted enough. You can sit there. And say hey. I'm in that room. I can smell those smells. I can see that whatever So personally I love the way she wrote the books and I. I'm one of those people that would take this to a school and say you need to read this. This is what people go through. That's me I'm one of those people 'cause I I'm all about human psyche and I am so fascinated by it. It's not even funny. I got my psychology and biology certificate for crying out loud while sitting here doing nothing else. Like that doesn't tell you anything I almost went into. Csi SO I love. I walked human brain. It's one of the most mysterious things in the world And if if you're one of those people that likes hell the hell a mentality works. This series is one of those that teach you for a spin. I'M NOT GONNA lie. There were some parts where I was like. Yep Gad slow down a minute and take a breath and I was asked readers so I went through it just like that but at the same time. I'm like yeah I got a slow down and that's me all the you know me. I'm not one of those people that get hit too hard So yeah there's that again it's betsy. Ross author Dot Com. Go check out her website. Please leave your feedback. She even has a feedback section now on her website. Your website looks beautiful by the way. Now that you've redone it looks. It looks so much better than that. Alfred Jihad Alphanumerical Code that you had as your earlier I am not joking. People I came about a day away before I cede her website. You're always about a day away from going and purchasing her a domain and I told her I was like he does like a day away from purchasing you at their me. I don't think people easy but I was because I was I. I all my own websites and I was like this. This is about to happen whether she likes it or not. She's getting a down. Jermaine what do you have coming up for people? That neigh won't to see you talk to you about the series in depth through. Just meet you as a person. Let's see right now. I have three shows that I will be at or events this year The April showed will April showers fashion show before it is a modeling event. However they've joined with mission twenty two and all proceeds with that will be going to mission twenty two. I will have a vendor's booth there and I'll have signed copies of fight one in fight to they said I'm supposed to get dressed up to and they said they even give me a fancy dress but I don't know if that's going to happen. Are you going to get one of a white? Because he only wears those dresses once and that's it. She only wears dresses. Own Prices Right Matz or not rises right wheel of fortune. I'm not that bad. They Saddam have some sort of designing because they've got all connections for this modeling thing and they're like. Yeah we're GONNA give you this whatever dress like. Oh and let's see and then in Nashville. Tennessee will be there on July third. That weekend visit called Life Life recovery outreach I think is what just the events called the vet life recoveries and other veterans group. They take care of their own. They Take Care Veterans Sir. Very Great Group I guess I'll be a national Tennessee. And then the end of August the last weekend in August I will be a New York but most of those details will be on the DL for a while. So that's as much as I know. She's trying to get me up to New York me and her thought about that a little bit. If you could come you've got to come on now that I see that you're going to national like. If I was going anywhere the national they just had some tornadoes so hopefully they're doing okay out there. Incensio was actually talking to one of our veterans spouses. The other night when it happened when it occurred and we were like. Oh my God So is there anything else? You'd like to tell our listeners. Listening either tonight live or on the podcast I guess just in general if you are interested in reading the fight series of course start with fight one but don't be misguided about how much jumps or what you hear or see other people talking about That they don't like that or whatever really be open minded when you re it because It may take you some time to really get in the groove of how it's written but I really tried to write kind of a simplistic way to relate emotion in word form and that was very difficult just describing the emotions let alone. How am I going to sit up the flashbacks? Megan is set up the transitions with characters. Because I wanted to show one perspective and then in that same conversation. Show the other person's perspective so it does jump around in that aspect but I wanted to make it personable. I wanted you inside. That person's mind whether there it's a character. That's a veteran or civilian. I wanted you to see from the first person experience of what they're thinking and how they're taking that information so don't be misguided or I guess a little anxious I guess because it is emotional. It is very intense. I do warn you about that but it does jump around but if you just keep up with what that character is doing in the next character you should be okay as far as keeping up with the plot. Definitely I personally would say. Don't read any reviews in just read it. If you're interested at all that way like she said you're not misguided not going in with a certain mindset or anything of that nature other than the fact that it is going to be an emotional rollercoaster any may need to lay down and you may need somebody. Don't be ashamed to that at all where she minutes over. 'cause you know. I had to talk a bit. We'll go to break on betsy. Do you want to stay with this through news or Probably not well-founded be that way. I'm sorry I have family well. Your dog sounded Nice. There it is yes something must be out there. Well seriously thank you for coming on tonight. I I love here in what your thoughts about. Everything is as far as the the book series and how you interpret sayings in your own mindset and then how you put that into a story. I love it. I'll get you this in your own standalone interview as always like I guess we'll get a break on the other side of the break that's in the news I guess we'll let like and frosty. Do those and please go to betsy. Ross author dot com check out the fight series purchase. Light one into if you haven't already if you have please leave a review. We Are Bear Stock. We are on. Www DOT net.

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2. A Matter of Trust

Dateline NBC

26:56 min | 1 year ago

2. A Matter of Trust

"The funny thing about making dateline is that a lot of times. The murderer is pretty obvious so it's up to us to take you on a journey. Make you question your own assumptions. Your biases and your gut and this story seemed pretty straightforward. Right husband killed his wife. The cops sure this. Oh Russ Faria was the prime suspect within a day of his nine one one call and it didn't take much to get the neighbors whispering he must have done some betsy friends believed it in time her family would too but was this an open shut that case now no it wasn't and this time instead of US creating the journey we got sucked into into one of our own in two thousand eleven when Russ found his wife Betsy dead just after Christmas. He had no idea that in in a few short days he was going to be charged with her murder and that their entire marriage would become public father dissected by everybody they were close to some warm memories came out in the beginning. They were very happy. I just thought that they were happy couple. We we knew that he could not have committed this crime in time. Some unflattering wants to describe him. As a pig man he was a guy's guy and br uh-huh pretty crude and rude there was this anger in him that he he could hide and he could put on a front what people said about. Russ two lawyers and two investigators ran the gamut so how was it the cops decided what opinions they've valued to get the most same way. Many of us do by settling on the ones that feel the most plausible I'm Keith Morrison this dateline. NBC's newest podcast the thing about Pam two years after betsy smarter we started looking into Russia's case. I spoke doc to Russia's defense attorney the bets he's friends and her family have we got hold of a police interview tape all the usual stuff and the more. I I learned the more I didn't understand the choices made by law. Enforcement and prosecutors were well. They were baffling. My my producer Cathy Singer was as mystified as I was so I'm often asked. Do you think the people in your stories really did it and I say well yeah. I've seen the evidence and say they did it but almost every day in America. People are wrongly convicted. Police and prosecutors sometimes sometimes make decisions that just make me go and with this case in particular. She found herself saying that quite a bit. I don't think there are many murders in Lincoln County. She was right. There weren't a lot of murders in Lincoln County in the three years. Before Betsy death. There had only been two murders in the whole area. Take two thousand nine. They were zero. That's right zero murders. We would find out that this. This was the first murder trial the judge had ever presided over the prosecutor had never tried such a case either from the start. It felt like the investigation had a few too many shortcomings. We'll get to that eventually for now. The trial Authorities Lincoln County arrested a man in connection with the murder of a woman troy. We do know who the person who was arrested is but that person has not been informally charged. A woman who had been murdered is forty two year old betsy free classified as a homicide. Russ Faria was arrested on January fourth two two thousand twelve pleaded not guilty nearly two years passed before his trial started and then finally November two thousand thousand thirteen wrestlers trying to Lincoln County and troy. This is where the furriers lived at the judge was Christa Mayer. The prosecutor is Leah Ascii and the the main defense attorney was Joel Schwartz. Leah Ascii and Joel Schwartz called various witnesses to the stand people who know the Farinas and could talk about their dynamic. What kind of a couple they were whether or not they were happy. But what exactly did the prosecution have that indicated. Russ was responsible for the crime. There was that frantic nine one one call rational what's going on there. I did earn time. I'm curious though she's she's the ASCII the open the trial are you that the call reeked of false emotions on the way there okay. Ashby told the jury that this man was way over the top and betsy family. Oh when I spoke to her mother Janet Meyer where she told me that nine one one call was goofy. Oh my God oh my God. Oh my God it's like Oh. What did I do what I do and bitchy sister. Mary Rogers had this to say what if he got home and they started fighting he went into a rage rage and he killed her and then you're just beside yourself and you're not thinking you're doing all of these things and you're calling nine one one and from what I gather initially betsy family wait did not think Russ could've killed betsy but as time went on from the police and possibly also the prosecutor. They became convinced that he did kill Betsy. Lia asked presented a parade of witnesses one by one Russ's inlaws and stepdaughters. They all took the stand and they pointed the finger like that time. Mary said she got an alarming phone. Call from betsy daughters Leah and Mariah the girls called me crying at work that he was using foul language and so I went to their house and he was like out of control I actually called the police took the girls and got him out of the House that she's mother said she had heard things that made her uneasy about Ross. It was at my House One Night Ali. The December was betsy. Myself was just three of us. We were sitting there playing upwards. We played upwards game a lot. yeah good at upwards. Maybe mad I could never beat them anyway. We were playing one night and I can't think for sure who he was talking about and going on about he wanted to kick him in his he got very very violent in his talking about this and I remember looking at him and saying Russ. You're scaring me well. That's I really mean that that's what I would do. That's the way I feel. I had seen what he says. When he gets mad he told a friend of mine's husband that if he got into a fight with somebody he would fight to kill Here's my producer Cathy again. They took the stand at his first trial and said bad things about him. Seems like small things became. I'm very big deals in the retailing then whose turn was it to take the stand ham huts. He's start playing in this game of putting a pillow over her faced to see what it would feel like remember her. She said this is what it's GonNa. Feel like when you die or whatever on the stand. Tom Was not only mourning the death of her friend but she was also mourning the death of her mother who had recently had a horrible horrible accident anyway. She repeated to the jury what she had told investigators that Russ talk down to his wife. He told her she wasn't smart. Smart enough to a simple. Pam told the Jury Russ was very degrading that he made people feel uncomfortable so uncomfortable friends stopped wanting to socialize with bessie. If Ross was going to be around after Pan the prosecution presented their physical Michael Evidence there was blood on Russell slippers and on the light switch in his closet. A chemical test revealed that there was blood in the kitchen mhm semen found in betsy the night of her murder which indicate to the prosecutor that Ross must have had sex with her right before killing her and the prosecutor also said that's why investigators found no blood on him need obviously been naked well committing the crime time and then took a shower then Russia's alibi the night of the murder all the surveillance video the receipts according according to the prosecution. They only made him look more suspicious. It was as if he had purposefully covered his tracks but what what about his alibi his game night buddies well. All their stories were oddly identical. The prosecutor argued you'd they'd been rehearsed and that in a nutshell is the prosecution's argument UH. Why am I telling you this. Why isn't Lia ASCII here explaining her case against Rust Faria. She won't talk to us. I can't tell you why she declined to be viewed by dateline but Joel Schwartz Ross's lawyer when I mentioned that to him. He thought the reason was pretty simple. She can't pick up. Any of these. Accusations is she. Could she come talk to you. She proved nothing. If Russell did did this. He's not naive enough to think that they're not going to discover. The multiple wounds in the back. The fifty six stab wounds the post mortem cutting cutting of the wrist someone did this is not going to call and say it's suicide. It makes no sense. Unfortunately I believe the police had already decided who did this. It's the only explanation in my eyes to explain what I consider to be. A horribly deficient investigation doesn't doesn't hold back does he. When the prosecution was done presenting its case Joe's off to the races the blood on the slippers bruce there was blood found on slippers that belong to Russ and it was best. He's blood. There was very little if any blood on the top of the slippers the only bud found was in splotches watches on the very bottoms and the side of the slippers and there was no impact of a shoe in the blood no. Is there any footprint anywhere on the tile floor leading back to where the slippers found somebody attempt to stage this dipped in the blood and hit those back in the closet. What about the blood on that light switch. There is a light switch in the closet that also had blood. D- in it and somebody else they couldn't determine whose it was however if you look at the light switch and the pattern on the lights which the blood was basically a cross stitches. If somebody was carrying those slippers the pattern seemed to be the same as issues but how could you possibly explain Russ putting a pillow over Betty's face. I did ask her mother about that and her mother said they were extremely close. If there was something like that ever done she believed betsy would have told her about the number of it being a crime of passion and a couple of the wounds. We're talking about specifically. I think about six of them were about seven inches or fifteen centimeters deep. Those wounds were the same exact tracking tracking the same distance came from the same areas again with no regularities to me. It doesn't indicate rage indicates staging and Joel had an explanation for pretty much everything Russ had after all four alibi witnesses he had cellphone data placing him at his house finding Betsy Rigor Mortis had set in when you found her he'd been dead for a couple of hours by then and Russ could account. I'm for all of his activities starting at five o'clock that day so you pretty clear cut so joel felt confident in a million I couldn't imagine based on what had been presented them how they could believe beyond a reasonable doubt beyond any doubt it all that Russia had anything to do with this but van asking you went to little off script during her closing argument. The argument was a complete surprise to me. It's josh megawatts from dateline. Do you need your true crime. Fix on the go. No dateline episodes are now available in podcasts mysteries with a twist from dateline subscribe now so you don't miss an episode here to read the arguments my colleague Barbara Rab senior producer at NBC. I I want to thank you for your attentive listening. It started out innocuously enough to them then she started getting I think creative. He decided this would be the ultimate role play the the ultimate game the ultimate way to stage but it required all hands on deck. It required a pretty good. First thing she did was accused for people of murder. I think he brought it to his friends. I think he talked about how would we do this. How would the ultimate role play happen. It just so happens she'd she'd stated in her is visiting plan for years and years in the making tonight was the night and it was ludicrous the night the tonight. We've been talking about for months for years. The night it's here. It's real tonight is the night he then. According to the prosecutor went to his his friends said guys tonight's the night he'd left his cell phone sped home for some reason she argued. He then had sex with her one last time he leaves his phone. He leads back to troy. He comes into the house. Betsy is on the couch. She's covered in a blanket and I submit to you that he has sex with her that he violates her one more time that he controls her. Just one more time I'm going to humidity all sounds a little graphic little farfetched. It's about to get stranger injure because in the end only eight sperm were found in Betsy eight in the police interview with Russ. He said that they were intimate on Sunday night. This was Tuesday night which would account for eight sperm still being present but that didn't stop the prosecution from arguing that Russ violated betsy before the murder and then showered now in the initial search. The pipes were searched. There was no evidence that a shower was taken. There was no blood in any of the pipes they were actually removed and tested. It goes back takes a shower gets any evidence off of him that he has many comes out he then get out of the shower. I remember her saying. What do you do. When you get out of the shower. You put your slippers clippers on show he went to clean up with his slippers on presumably still naked you can tell that he's moving when he's on that call and I would submit to you that while he's talking to nine one one he realizes the slippers. The killer gets careless. He's thought of everything else. It's perfectly staged but the slippers so he took the slippers off took the slippers back hid them in his closet came back in cleaned up. I guess waited till his his friend who picked up the receipt returned the cell phone and immediately upon returning the cell phone. He called the police and reported as a suicide. The prosecutor spun quite detail in her closing argument but remember closing arguments are not considered evidence in a court of law. Only problem was sometimes. It's difficult for jury to remember that without any evidence. ASCII accused four people have helping murder betsy and without any evidence. She hinted that Russ sexually assaulted his wife had violated her one last time. Joel told me he he was infuriated for her to accuse those four people of doing this is not only insensitive in my mind. It's immoral to do that. In a position of authority that she is in but by now now he was used to being frustrated by this strange case you've encountered hurdle after hurdle in preparing Russia's defense and one of the biggest hurdles with some of Joel's rose best evidence couldn't use it judgmental. Meyer refused to allow it to be presented to the jury fell. I pulled my hand banging my head against the bench. I've never encountered decisions like that. According to Joe there was an alternate suspect and she was very very close to the case. Perhaps even the key witness Tam Hopp the judge would not allow him to ask this person any questions that would indicate she could be involved like maybe she lied about her whereabouts. It's based on her cell phone tower information that she had gotten insurance money insurance money. The prosecution argued. Oh you did this was a case about greed Russia's greed but how can that be if pam was the one who received the big payout in the beginning. Ross and other members of family were trying to figure out where the insurance money was to help pay for the funeral and then they started looking got one of the policies for one hundred fifty thousand dollars so four days before betsy murder the beneficiary and one of her life insurance policies as for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars so switched into Pam's name from Russia's name yet pam escape scrutiny. Somehow might be asking king. How did nobody know about the switch way here the story both women had worked in shirts for years in fact they worked together and yet they didn't go to a notary or an insurance office to make this change. No they went to a local library and they went up to a young woman there who worked the desk and said can you just sign this form and she did and and they put it in the mail and and the beneficiary was switched to pam but don't worry. Pam had an explanation for that too. She said it was betsy idea that that's wanted to meet her and she showed up the library one day and she had formed sold out but Y PAM why would betsy choose her. She's been on the record saying that Betsy wanted her to have the money so that she could help her daughters out when they needed it and she was afraid that Russ in his grief for just spend too much money especially on the daughters yes the spendthrift husband. That's how Pam explained it. She said Betsy trusted her. You're to handle the money responsibly. I guess I look at it to find as you talked about the fact that she had some insurance she'd mentioned insurance to yes talked about it. She said Ed I'm going to make you the beneficiary if you could when my daughter's older give them some money I said okay well. How much is four hundred fifty thousand in Dallas. The insurance company called the cops to make sure that Pam should get the proceeds. They wanted to make sure she wasn't a suspect. Invitees murder police said No. She's not a suspect at all. Go ahead. The cops gave the green light to Pam Hobbs insurance payout. This fact fact never stopped being odd. No matter how many times I've thought about it they took Pam's story at face value without looking more deeply in the the fact that she was the last person to see our live and the beneficiary form was signed just four days before betsy smarter that you'd think would be a huge red flags a- initially after Betsy Seth Pam was friendly with the family but then they found out that she got the insurance money and she was keeping it for herself and they wanted some of that money be used for the funeral and she said no and she thought that's wrong. Why should betsy pay for own own funeral when her husband killed her and I think that was the turning point that's when I think their relationship fell apart and that was that Pam got the money she put one hundred thousand dollars into a trust for betsy daughters and she told investigators that she gave the remaining fifty thousand dollars to a struggling family she knew Joel these things added up to motive but the jury never heard about any of them. You might be asking why well judge men and Meyer told Joel this evidence was is to be excluded because it was not relevant it would serve as a red herring and merely confused juries what I was told in every case I've ever handled a witnesses bias and interest comes in a witnesses prior. Inconsistent statements come in. I have a right to cross. Examine him on that. Well not according to this judge at this point. There was just no way to know how seriously the jury would take the prosecutor's closing statement after four hours. The jury came back with a verdict guilty first degree murder punishment management life in prison. You know I've been through this. The worst part of it was looking at Russia's face. He was in shock. He couldn't believe it and I haven't lost sleep in a long time over something in this business and I lost for longtime insurance you know how on Earth does a man with a corroborated liberated alibi get convicted murder. The jury was left with no alternative and in most people's words the husband David who else would have Russ went to prison. Betsy family was relieved. They could more now by this story. Story wasn't over. Let's go to Joel's office. It was two thousand fourteen. He was still working with Russ attempting attempting to file in the field for his client and then he got a phone call. It was another lawyer working on a civil case between Betsy Farinas daughters and an pop case about the money time God after her friend's murder said there was something odd but the case something that happens right after rush was convicted something still might want to look into a trust had been opened in the name of the kids approximately five days prior to the commencement trial that trust was funded on that day but how quickly things would change only twenty days after the trial. Pam Dreamed Trust was defended over ninety nine point seven percent of what had placed in their ooh dear pam got the payout and the girls cut nothing that it didn't look good next time on the thing about Pam. We'll get to hear the facts. The jury never got to hear and Malaysia who is Pam hop and how is is she able to avoid suspicion the the thing about Pam is brought to you by dateline. NBC FROM DATELINE NBC Kathy Singer and Christine Fillmore Producers Jackie Montalvo is the associate. Does your producer Susan lol oversees. Our digital programming Adam Gore fain serves senior broadcast producer. Liz Coal is our executive producer. David David Corporal was our senior executive producer. NBC News Steve Lik Tai is the executive producer of podcasts and Barbara is a senior producer of podcasts from neon ham media. Mary NAF is the producer Natalie. RIN Is the associate producer Catherine. Saint Louis is the editor Jonathan Hirsch is the executive producer producer sound design and mixing by Scott Somerville Additional Mixing by Monica Wilhem original music by Andrew Eappen Hey it's Chris as from. MSNBC every day I come to the office and we make a television show and every day I think to myself. There's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get get to the root of the things that we see Lee out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. 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Post-Pandemic Predictions: Unpacking Our Poll Results

Aragon Live

18:51 min | 4 months ago

Post-Pandemic Predictions: Unpacking Our Poll Results

"I'm Kaylin welcome to Aragon live podcast or business, and it leaders where Aragon experts share actionable insights to help you and your business moves faster in this episode. We have Betsy Burton beat research in Aragon Fellow and Jim. Lundy under and CEO at Airgun Research Your today to discuss our post pandemic predictions in some associated poll results from a previous Webinar. Hi Betsy and Jim thanks for being here today. Kaelin. Kaelin great to have you here. Betsy and Caylin. Thanks for opening the scrape podcasts up. To dive right into this topic. What we're GONNA Today's UNPACK. Some of the interesting poll results that we received from members during our addictions Webinar that we did last month in that. First off. If you're unfamiliar with our post, pandemic predictions, you can visit our webinars page and tune into the post and prediction Webinar is available on demand. Webinar is very popular. Our predictions were created to help businesses navigate the challenges brought on by in nineteen and helped lead them into. You know what something is an uncertain future. For this podcast we wanted to take a different angle and steer the conversation. Courts polling result from that Webinar we asked our audience to participate in three live polls throughout the Webinar, and now we're GONNA discuss results and implications of these polls. The first poll question we had was based on your best estimate, what percentage of Your Business will be fully digital by two thousand, twenty three and we asked the participants to pick the one that best applies to their business. And it was interesting because what we found was that zero percent of ten DIS said that zero percent of their business would be fully digital. In other words, organizations are moving some percentage of their business to digital business. We found that thirteen percent said that twenty five percent of their business would be fully digital business. We found that thirty seven point nine. Nine percents that fifty percent of their business will be fully digital by twenty twenty three thirty four point, five percents that seventy five percent of our business will be fully digital, and then thirteen point eight percent that a hundred percent of our business would be fully digital business. I thought these were very interesting results particularly, because in late two thousand and nineteen. Nineteen we made a prediction that less than thirty percent of global organizations were going to be fully digital business by twenty, twenty five, and that is probably still correct prediction in that the number of organizations that are going to be fully digital business by two thousand, twenty five is still going to be relatively low, but we believe we're going to see a a much more dramatic shift towards digital business as a result of the pandemic, but also more importantly due to the economic social and business changes that are coming as a result. This pandemic we're finding a lot of businesses are having to step back and really we think how they run their business how they support their customers their entire business models. And a lot more organizations we think are going to shift towards digital business model. Really because they need to reach out to their customers in really new in different ways, so while the poll results show a more dramatic shift for digital. Post pandemic than beforehand. We still believe the number of organizations that would be fully digital is still going to be a smaller percentage. What did you think of the poll results Jim? Well yeah I thought I thought it was very interesting. It'd be two things one that a lot of people have digital business on their minds. I don't think as many before this. Did I think they thought they had address a big, but they had more time and now they're realizing with. Remote work, and really all the things you need to do to automate processes are GonNa have to really step up and I'm not the thing that stood out at me like thirty four point five percents that they'd be around seventy five percents digital. In you know thirteen percent fourteen percent are going to be one hundred percent, so if that starts to add up, you know he start getting into close to forty seven forty eight percent, and along with the fifty percent of the people said they'd be forty percent so really. There's not be that many laggers, so there's GonNa be a massive investment. It's going to be needed to make these legacy platforms much more engaging, much more real time much more predictive. And so that means you know there is going to be a spike in investment in some of the tools and technology and cog. Latte, or that can help augment these legacy platform that they have. Now I agree I. Think the other interesting thing is that there's a real opportunity for both end user organizations as well as technology and service providers you know and user organisations should be taken this time to come up their business thinking about their business strategy think about their business models, and in fact we've written some research notes on this area and don't just try to take an update existing processes think about where your business needs to go, think about your new business models and then define the new business processes. Processes and the new business models that support where your business going the other thing I think is interesting is for technology and service providers. This is a huge opportunity for you to change your engagement with your customers. You have an ability to start working with them and help them figure out what their new business models look like. And then how can you apply your services and technology to help them think about their business? This is a fundamental insignificant shift and transformation of of business models, which I think is interesting. Yeah Yeah for sure so like I said there could be a lot of investment and again you know NC leads our digital business practice, and so you're listening this podcast and trying to figure out where to get started doing an inquiry with betsy I would be a great way to do that. Yeah, I think that's right. Jim and I look forward to talking to a lot of you about this. The second poll question that we ask people with how you business change its pre pandemic remote work policies, so we're wondering how much organizations were going to have their employees or their contractors partners work remotely vs on site and what we found is that fifty six point three percent, so they're going to increase the percentage of wrote work for employees about thirteen percents said they're going to change to a one hundred percent or predominantly remote work environment. Fifteen point six about sixteen percent, so they're going to increase safety in the workplace for employees in other words, put a barrier the rest of it there. Oh percents a bit. They were going to change to a one hundred percent or predominantly onsite work environment, and then fifteen percent said there was going to be no change. What I thought was really interesting about this. One is the number of organization that are shifting towards remote, and I think a lot of companies have been shifting to remote for quite some time, but this is this is an increase percentage I think a lot more organization are GonNa let employees or or enable employees to work at home, and empowered them or the technology and processes to make that work. I thought it was really interesting that there was almost thirteen percent of organizations that said that they want to move to a hundred percent or predominantly remote work environment. I, think after dramatic shifts, I was thinking about this gym the other day about when I first started working remotely you know twenty twenty five years ago and it was. People Thought Oh. You're just hanging around in your your pajamas and I think what businesses are starting to discover is that they can give their employees the ability to have you know the safety from a health point of view that they want, but also you know, get the productivity. If they manage that well I do think that it does mean a difference in how organizations manage their employees. What do you think Jim? Well. You Know Betsy, you and I. Live this remote worth thing for a lot of years, and so we're kind of subject matter experts. To I think to people like you and me. Remote work is not anything is something that we thrived at, but as we're discovering, it's a new thing for many enterprises. That, actually spent sometimes up to forty five days just trying to figure out like hey. How do we enable people? They didn't have really good telework practices or policies or equipment, or some of their workers and they had to scramble. With many inquiries from people where they're trying to figure out like we need Webcam, because we couldn't get the doctor a laptop, and now we gotta get a Webcam. What kind Webcam show we get? But you know the bottom line. Is You know remote work something you can do really well, but it takes a lot more work and time for managers and also employees to stay engaged. You GotTa talk to people up war. You know I think one of the challenge. I WANNA get your take on. Betsy is when you're new in the workplace and you haven't had a job before. This is going to be one of the key things which is on boarding. Fees that have never been in the workplace. How do you get them on board to make them productive because they're just not used to certain types of work routines, they're also train. What's your take on, yeah? I think that's really important, and I think you need to figure out how you'RE GONNA. Consciously manage the particularly newer employees in effective way. That's value driven I. think that's what's really important. You WanNa. Know How your people are spending on their time. In other words, you want to give them a clear sense of the tasks that you want them to complete. Want to get done, also you don't WanNa police some too much. You WanNa you WanNa, give them some some flexibility, so my view is you wanna give them really effective management practices a good concept of what passed. They're trying to get done. Really clear and driven performance metrics and governance as well as the technology that they could be effective, so it's not just applying the technology. You've gotTA. Have the performance metrics and the government so that they know. What's expected and how they're gonNA perform those expectation. Most metrics that I've seen in the past are really about activities measuring activity I think chick with the next generation, the Gen, X., or the John, S. as we call them. They want to understand how they're affecting. The value in the business valued the organization so just measuring what they're doing. You'RE NOT GONNA. Get the response you need. You need to have value driven metrics value-driven driven governance to be effective. Cool. The last the last call that we had with what will your organization be doing to ensure a safe workplace from employees and customers in Jim I'm going to be interested in your instead on this one because I know. You're in the middle of doing that for air guns lot offices. But we found is that when we asked participants in our Webinar that we found that fifty six point three, so they're going to change the workplace with additional barriers and increase, and by the way we encourage people to pick any that are applied, so there may be multiple percentages here. We had about twelve thirteen percent who said GonNa be taking temperatures before entering the workplace environment. We had about fifteen percents that they're going to require that employees or or people coming into their office. Require where math. You hand sanitizing regular office cleaning. We had zero said that they were gonNA require regular Cova tests. And then we also had about fifteen percents that they're gonNA remote increase work work. We saw that we're the previous poll. Part of the key that I was interested in is whether or not organizations we're GONNA. Start to take advantage of technology you know by metrics, and some of those things as well and these environment and we didn't find that so much what we found. Is that mostly organizations? We're going to be doing for practical things that they could do within reasonable bounds of cost that they can make within their organization and I know. You've been dealing with this specific gym I. be interested in your thoughts. We'll you know when we do this? I mean it's funny. How fast things are moving? You know California's certain businesses can open. And we actually just opened our office to more than one person and last week we started with an essential person and you know who's also our executive Adnan. And the guidelines action from the county and the state actually do cover couple of these things, so we actually do have for monitor that you can use on the forehead or in your ear, but the foreheads cleaner safer. And we've used that, but just kinda tested out, but what we're doing with. The mask is when you walk around the office. You have to wear your masks. If you're seated at your workstation when we have big glass dividers. And you basically don't have as much transmission of coughs or things like that, so not clear plexiglas all over, but I picked this up when I was actually back East I was actually back East for visiting family, so I did fly and in Pennsylvania. When you go into a restaurant, you wear a mask when they see in your socially distant, you can then take your mask off, but if you get up to go to the bathroom, you have to put your masks back on, so we've adopted that here at our office and it's actually working really well out working very careful busy. We're only bringing one person back a week and we don't have that many people in our headquarters. Yeah I have talked to some people who are involved in regulatory issues and HR issues and privacy issues, and the rest of it about requiring regular Cova. Tests or any sort of biometric data, and I don't think organizations and government agencies and regulatory agencies have this really clearly understood. Her are have completely navigated how they're going to be doing that, so there's maybe some technology that's increasing enable people to to do some of the actively. How do they fit that into some of? Of The regulatory requirements and privacy, and the rest of it is still yet to be defined so that that relationship between technology and and what organizations can ask employees becoming a little bit unclear I think that's kind of an area. That's a little bit gray. We'll see what happens on that well. You know I think the thing is until the vaccine. I think that major healthcare provider going to basically have to make like that estee something that can be reimbursed and not. Wait Yeah. Yeah I shared with Jim, but I actually did a Cova test because I've been out since social situation, and it's easy to do the test. It's not necessarily pleasant experience, so you know. How do you navigate that? It's kind of an interesting challenge, so it's we. Lost still yet to be defined. Yeah yeah, but like you said I mean the. People are preparing. And you know like. Is that we? We talk about some of these things, but there are some really good guidelines, both from counties and states Osha also has some pretty good ones so again. If you're a workplace, we have employees. Need to kind of conform, we have stickers near the break room with social distancing. So like I said you can't do it safely, you know for example. Apple is actually their big campus here in Silicon Valley. They're actually opening up next week. So they're all preparing. So like I said it's starting to get back to normal. We did have a pandemic. You know act in the early Nineteen, eight, thousand, nine, hundred nineteen, and they had to go through the same process. We forgot all those things that they knew then. That was a couple of generations ago. That was almost like it'd be a great grandparents. Great grandparents, but like I said that the. Good, news is people are learning. They're adapting and you can work in the other. Countries have gone back to work for us before the United States and they're doing fine. So, we're looking at Fort Worth and like I said I think that the. The last poll question was actually really you need to do. Many of those different things more remote work and billy being just careful the workplace and following the guidelines. Yeah! I worked at one more comment on this because we've released that research. It is time to look at Your Business Strategy in goals, and you know your business. Outcomes and make sure that you you revisit those of think about those today and take a strategic approach. On the tactical decisions that you're going to be making so now's not the time to simply just go okay. We're going to go back to exactly how we did our business. I think that's not gonNA. Make any sense even as we moved back to business operating, you know, now's a good time to stop and look at your strategy and say okay. What's our strategy where business golf and what are? You and the rest of it, and then how do we then operate in given those in the new normal that we have? Exactly, it's definitely new normal. That's for sure. Okay well look I. Mean I think there's been a great discussion Israeli wrap up comments. You make betsy on all the stuff we discussed today. No I think this has been really valuable and I think you know. We've all learned a lot. In terms of the technology impact on our workplace, and and how we might run our business different, so you know it's been a really tough number of months. It's been a really hard couple of months, but I think organizations are learning how to operate. That's an interesting to watch. What I think, we're ready to wrap up here. All right, thank you, Betsy Gem, and if any of our listeners or your organization went to learn more about these predictions or how Erbakan can help you face them. Talk to our analysts or sales team today you can follow air, live on spotify or subscribe to us on itunes and Google play. Thanks for tuning in.

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Betsy McCaughey 12-8-19

CATS Roundtable

07:14 min | 11 months ago

Betsy McCaughey 12-8-19

"Good Morning New York. This is the cats roundtable chunk cats Matisse here Sunday morning. What's going on in America well in the healthcare industry? We got problems with this morning. Is Betsy McCoy former lieutenant governor of the state of New York right now. She's chairwoman of the Reduce Use Infractions Company and New York Post columnist. I'll good morning. How are you good morning? John and that's why I'm really really. I've got my red hat on ide- reduce infection deaths. This is a nonprofit. It's a campaign that I launched fifteen years ago to stop deadly hospital infections and we're making a lot of progress but there are some terrible stories in the news right now. All the way from Seattle to New York in Seattle Seattle Children's hospital has had a problem with a fungus called aspergillus since two thousand and one but they didn't come clean about it and so parents brought their children to the hospital often for cancer or heart surgery. Three and weren't warned that this hospital had a serious ongoing problem with it. Spent elation system. It had mold in there And as a result over the two decades quite a few children died. It's really tragic. We don't even have the Vol- count yet or I would give it to you and now there's a class action lawsuit against the hospital and the real issue here is secrecy. Secrecy Hospitals will always have problems but the honest with the public about what they are. So that if you're going to the hospital have a baby or you have a a sick child. You know what you're facing and you can make the right choice. Now who is not making the disclosure is the hospital. I'm showing I'm should hospital. It's telling Which government agency? Well it would be the state health department and the CDC but here's the problem the hospitals. I don't WanNa tell publicly when they have an outbreak of big peak surge in a particular type of infection. We see it over and over again. We saw it at a hospital los interest but had a serious staff problems in the neonatal intensive care unit where the fragile newborns are port. So mothers didn't no that when they chose that hospital they were going to be giving birth. And if the baby was underweight or woodland in a and Nick you that had a serious staff outbreak outbreak. They ought to be told and right here in New York. As you know we've had a serious problem where they totally the deadliest hospital collection. Yeah it's called candied orange. Also a fungus and a forty five percent of patients who get this infection die within ninety days and New York has been ground zero for this particular passage in this particular killer fungus for several years now the hospitals wouldn't tell and the state health department wouldn't tell and the CDC wouldn't tell and finally they have announced cost which hospitals have it. But here's here's the RUB in a red. My Organization filed freedom of Information Act request to get the state health department to tell us right back in twenty sixteen only five hospitals in Manhattan was struggling with this problem and it really. It hasn't spread outside of New York City now. Finally the State Health Department is come clean but it's way too late now. It is spread to virtually every hospital. Spital in Manhattan and to almost every part of the state now the reason. It spread is Percy because if somebody's treated in a hospital that is struggling with this problem they leave the hospital. They're carrying the germ on their body. And then they go to hospital somewhere else and bring bring it. We've seen it now in several states where secrecy is the cause of the spread. Why is in CDC do about it? Well Oh good question. Here is a perfect example of a government agency that is co opted by the industry. It's supposed to regulate. And that's why I made made the comparison before imagine if the Federal Aeronautics Administration wouldn't tell the public which carrier had a plane crash it's exactly the the same thing that is serious stuff. You have any statistics how many people have died of that New York in the last. A real shocker. Now as I said this is one of the deadliest pathogens in America forty five percent of people who get it die within ninety days you go up on the centers as per disease control and Prevention website. That's a resource. Everybody who's involved in healthcare needs to rely on their latest figures. I can't eat or Oresund Chris or from August thirty first. That's five months old. How good a federal agency provide the they're supposed to be tracking this disease and and their data are five months old would suggest people? Do I think that people have to put a lot of pressure on the federal government. Call Alex as or the Secretary of Health and Human Services put pressure on the federal government to make sure that these are agencies are looking for the public public not the industry they're supposed to be regulating. And here's another part of it this. CDC and the and these state health departments are. I'm very anti technology. They think if you're making a profit there's something wrong with that right. There are actually technologies that can prevent this terrible aspergillus. Spur jealous infection that has killed children in Seattle and they can control can need first to you. Think on our website. We're not for profit. But on a red and websites we actually have a discussion of these technologies. Like dry. Tuten peroxide can be missed it into hospital rooms. It's nontoxic to patients nations and it kills these super bugs and hospitals really helped to be much more advanced and familiar with these new technologies. You have a website right. People can go to and get up to date information. Come to hospital infection dot org hospital infection that thing. You don't WanNa get dot org annual review. What hospitals are the worst another's we have the hospital infection rates and we have a lot of information Asian on how to protect yourself when you're going into the hospital how to how to reduce your own risk and of course we have information mation on these new technologies as well Betsy McCoy thank you for calling in Sunday morning? Thank you for what you do for all Americans and all New Yorkers thank you your show is a public service pack you. We'll catch up with you real soon.

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What We Thought Being a Mom Would Be Like (with guest Betsy Stover)

What Fresh Hell: Laughing in the Face of Motherhood

50:10 min | 1 year ago

What We Thought Being a Mom Would Be Like (with guest Betsy Stover)

"Hey, guys live show news what fresh laughing in the face of motherhood is coming to Charlotte North Carolina on Thursday may ninth will be performing at the booth playhouse at the Blumenthal performing arts center. It's going to be the moms night out of all time. There will be laughing. There will be wine. There will be tickets starting at just twenty four dollars and fifty cents. There are also group rates available. So the great thing to do Charlotte area. Moms is round up all your best imam, friends and bring them out together. Because we want to see you there. Find out more and to buy tickets, go to Blumenthal arts dot org, or visit our website what fresh I'll podcast dot com. And don't forget tell all your friends in North Carolina to Mark their calendars for may ninth at the blue in thal performing arts center, he was like is imperative gray and I will mostly punched him in the face what fresh hell laughing in the face of motherhood, just shooting forty eight I'm jazz. Mitch, and I do Michelle and with Margaret, Abe. And Amy Wilson the child's eating electrical court, relax. Get over yourself a podcast that souls, today's parenting dilemmas so you don't have to she had gone to manicurist who was soaking her hands in Jewish detergent, which I mean, I would get your money back for them. Hello everyone. And welcome to this episode of the what fresh hell podcast, this is Margaret, and this is Amy and this week. We're talking about what we thought this would be like this thing this this that were soaking in were soaking in it, and I'm just we're starting early with an oldie locks alert back in my dairy. That might be the earliest oldie locks alert ever. I'm going to see if I can beat it. What was that Calgon take me away? What was your show live dish detergent? She wasn't getting were nails. This woman was getting her nails done by by a manicures named Madge. Oh, that's right. This is all coming back to me now and was talking about like dish soap is too rough. And she's like not Palmolive you're soaking in it, right? Like, she. She had gone to a manicurist who was soaking her hands in dish detergent, which I mean, I would get your money back for that. You're soaking in it. I remember definitely watching that. And being like, I don't understand any element. Of this. So I at least was young when it was on. I was like why don't you get a manicure? Why do you? Why would you do this? All right. You're soaking in it, it's motherhood. What did we think it was going to be like, what do we think it was going to be like? And then I guess I mean like when you look back. What did you? Yeah. I envision this part pretty correctly. But I did not envision this part. My aunt Teri. She's a fan of like, she's just kind of a salty Dame as you'll hear. If you listen to the episode of the podcast that she was on. But she's always like, what did you think it was going to be like, and what is it like with a lot of different things, which she's asked me about it about motherhood, and my go-to answer is just very simply I thought I was getting handed a lump of clay to sculpt, and instead, I got handed human beings. That's the most surprising thing about mother to me. Yeah. In the way, it takes the pressure off. Once you have more than one a reason to have more than one kid, if you're going to do it is to immediately realize like, oh, it's not up to me. They come. Out cranky. They come out a good sleeper. They come out, right? They like liking to laugh, they come out more serious. Like, they your kids are born. So fully who they are. I feel they could take some of the pressure off you have to do everything perfectly because you're shaping them. No, you're not. You're not really there's a certain kind of slot that some kids fit into. And this is a specially Truitt school, right? Where it's like kids who are like naturally, you know, like pleasers and have long attention spans as they tend to do really well at elementary school like at and that's the thing like, there's just slots where sometimes certain ones of your kids fit really well, and like also sometimes people really like quirky kids and they find like more traditional kids like oh Roma is at that. Like, I'm into irony. I like your quirky kid who knows every logo of every movie, and where it changed going back to nineteen fifties. Like for some of my friends. That's like the kid. Yeah. But you just can't get external about the way your kids behave. But I but what I couldn't have predicted. Is how deeply that stuff would matter to me. Right. Like, your kids really are like you read that on the hallmark cards like your heart's walking around outside your body. Like, they are literally somebody criticizes your kid you. It's like an arrow to the chest. And and I couldn't have predicted how true that would be not true intellect. Oh and mother loves your kid, but true and true, a real I really feel this. And I got a look at how over identified I might be sometimes kind of way I hadn't predicted that. Well, and for me, I feel like I was a kid who was overweight now popular. And like I spent a lot of my like middle school in high school years kind of desperate to fit in. And then in college, I kind of was like oldy locks alert back in my day blind melon video the be girl, and I found my my field full of bees. And I was like oh my God. Here's all that. Like, weird misfits and. Suddenly, I was like popular. And like the fact that I was funny was like really great to people like I've found my people in college and ever since then I was like, I am a person who has been cured of the disease of being really insecure, and then I felt through like a rotten floorboard in my life when I had kids, and I found myself being back to like, overweight, I'm girl like suddenly like my kids that vulnerability. It's not that my kids are overweight or unpopular. It's that whatever that insecurity that was at my heart has really flared up like it's like it was in remission while I was in college out in the world. And now, it's like I'm having a flare up because my kids are out in the world and subject to that kind of judgment, which feels really familiar to me in a way that I'm very surprised by I get it. You know, you are heard you are seeing. Thank you am. I love Daime am I loved you are loved. Community to a good one. A good thing that I couldn't have predicted that I yes, we're not to be true. I honestly thought I think before I became a mother that anyone you like you love your babies, you love your toddlers than they're like ten years old. And like, you're driving them the soccer practice, and then they go out in the world. And then they have grandchildren than the than the good parts starts over. And you love them again. Yeah. I could never have predicted that I would find like an awkward eighth grade stage just like a door -able and not just my own children. But even their peers like watching kids grow up the same kids that were three are now fourteen and their voices of changed. And like, I find them a door -able in ways that I never did before. I was apparent myself. I feel like that's really reassuring. I feel like a lot of people. I hear a lot of people say like oh teenagers. Get a bad rap. You know, like in my brother had kids, I'm going to say, and I think it's true. Almost twenty years before I did even though we're only two years apart. We were on different ends of the age spectrum when we started. And he always says like it only gets better like in. It's it's a nice thing to hear because I feel like you get a lot of like a little little problems. Just wait. It's only worse. Like, you think you're not sleeping now. Like, I hear a lot of people give that feedback. Always find it really courage. Ing like not what you love about your kids isn't gonna change. Like, there's going to be difficult problems difficult times. My ten year old is already in the lake firm annoyed with me, I rolling stage. And like, I do find that annoying. But I kind of always thought that I would feel like it was like this like incredibly like deep stabbing wound. And I don't find it that way at all. I just find it like, oh separate your is. It me goofball. You know, I it's not like I was like how can this wonderful baby. I can hardly picture them rejecting me. And like the other Daij Optum office going. He was annoyed at me. Because of course, I dropped him off on the wrong corn. Owner 'cause dad's out of town, and he usually drops him off dad knows the right corner. I didn't know it. So he was so mad at me. And he got out of the car. And he was like, I love you. And he goes I really don't like saying back, and I was like fine. I'll see after school. It's fine. Like, it's not like when I held that baby. And I was like some day hutted. It's like, oh, it's just like dealing with a regular human who's sometimes annoying. It's it's not some fall cliff. And when you're a parent like I don't really feel like saying about like, even that's adorable. Right. You're like this is so Hugh that is so my kid saying that right? And then you love that. I think I pictured it as summer and winter, you know, like, oh now the sunshine on me with this adorable, baby. And then we're going to be in this, desolate way slam, but it's it's kind of hilarious that my kids. Like, I really don't like saying today. I'm like, you're right, homey. Goop go to school go by it's like, I love that too. With the things that teenagers are interested in talking about. You know, aren't always the things that at that. We're interested in talking about like the NBA draft say, but but when it's your kid like my my high schooler. Last night wanted to do a really deep dive and who had made his ultimate frisbee team at school like he wanted to. He sat down estimate the table. And he wanted to take me through the roster like in great detail like this kid's a sophomore. I know I've told you about him his throws are on par with like like deep dive into who made the ultimate frisbee team. And he was so lit up about it that just to sort of be in the presence of that. And see like you've made this kid that you could not have predicted would be really into ultimate frisbee that was not a path that I had ever considered. And it's like the thing that lights up and just to see your kid lit up about something anything in wanting to share that with you is such a great moment that you're happy to talk about that or the NBA lyrics because if you told me that story like in any other context that sounds like torture, right? That's UN's Ike Halbe when it's but it's your when it's your kid. I think and they're finally like can I please sit down with you and share something that's very important to me. And it's like something you don't know anything about but just to see their excitement about it. It it never goes away, even when they're taller than you. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I guess it's like one of the things we talk about a lot is like you have to lay the groundwork. Like, if you're talking about like, how to get kids to talk to you how to make them safe on their devices how to make them good eaters. Like, you've delay a lot of bricks along the road. Like, you don't one day we like now it's time to start talking about this issue like it's all building blocks. But there's also building blocks of like cuteness, you know, there's building blocks of like I like listening to you brattle on about dinosaurs. And now I like listening to you prattle on about ultimate frisbee. Right. It kinda fun. It doesn't go away. That's that's the good thing about teenagers. I like that. I feel like that's a good takeaway. All right. So we are going to have fun guest on today. Amy tell us about her today. Our guest is Betsy Stover who's the co host of the hilarious podcast. Why mummy drinks will be back right after this. And she's gonna tell us what she thought mother who would be like. And what it really is like right after this. You know, what I thought I'd never do. And now I do every Sunday. I plan what's for dinner that shocking from you. But I do the same, and that's even more shocking. It sounds harder, but it's actually easier. 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Eight years old six years old and three eight six three and you like to say that you live in the funder dome. I live in thunderdome I live in the middle of the the supercollider. That's what it feels like I live in the super collider. Yeah. And so we met like in two thousand seven I think it was maybe two thousand eight. Yeah. So I was at the UC eater. And they were like we're looking for someone someone came to us named Amy Wilson. She's looking for someone to do this show and take it on tour in it's all about her life in having kids and getting pregnant and stuff. So I assist Florida. And I did the show. That's how I met you snow. This is a show called motherlode, and you can probably still find some clips. I'm definitely gonna dig up in our photo of a production photo of Betsy in motherlode. I just wanna say we'll will pay extra for a YouTube clip video clip out. Yeah. I think there's gotta be a like coming to a town near you the stuff exists. I feel like we could probably crowd source a fundraiser for that. So this show it ran a New York, and I did it for a couple of months, and then we got the chance to take it out on tour. I did the show New York while I was pregnant with my youngest who's now eleven and when it came time to do the tour in two thousand eight she was a baby and the tourist started to get bigger and more cities came on which was very exciting. However, I had like five year old a three year old and a baby. So we got this idea that we were going to bring in somebody who would learn like an eighty minute solo show. And then do you know much of the tour? So you're basically, Betsy your Amy's all About Eve, your yes, you ever think down the mayors and taking over the all the glory of motherlode for yourself. Paints the picture Betsy? You're how old when you get this job? I must have been a my Cluny late twenties. So going on tour. I think it was a really interesting learning experience not just doing the show, and sort of feeling the feelings that was required in order to play that character, which is a weird thing to say because it was Amy a character. You would also we would do these like QNA sessions after the shows, and we would hear from the moms, and they would, you know, talk about how they felt about the show and how it resonated with them in. That was a very interesting learning experience. It was very meaningful to them. I think to see their experience reflected back in to have someone stand on stage and tell them like it's okay to not be perfect. And it's okay to have a messy home. And I think they really needed to hear it. I think it was kind of cathartic for them. So it was really. Fun and interesting for me someone we didn't have kids to see that. I think I it helped me for my own parenting mantra much later, which is. It'll probably be fine. That's why you can't do a podcast with Margaret. Because both of you guys who'd be like, don't no problem. That's and I would be like what the child's eating electrical court, relax. Get over yourself. That would be our whole pod on Arizona's right, right? It would be very short. So our topic today that we're like digging in on is what we thought it would be like. And so I want to get in a little bit too. Like Betsy for you like, so you do this show with Amy where you're portraying Amy. You're portraying a young mom with three little kids, and you have a lot of takeaways from that. So I mean, most people don't have that experience. So as a single or in non child bearing person at the time, you you had some weird educational experience in this. Yeah. And then you actually gave birth to three small humans, and you still did it. Right. You still enfor with it? I have an aunt has like. My kind of girl, and she's always asking the question. Like what surprised you most about being a parent and for me? And I said this before it's like what surprised me most is that I honestly thought I was getting like handed lumps of clay to mold and my own image. And instead I got like three humans that I barely have any control of. Yeah, they try to bend to your will. And you just kinda can't it's just so mind altering Jimmy do you have like what was your overall impression of like what was going to be like? Wow. Yeah. I mean, I definitely things that were shocking to me about becoming a parent were sort of the fisa strange like kind of loss of self. That's me was very strange that. I thought I was sculpture, and then my own sculpture kind of was chiseled away or like melted away bit. And then I've had to spend a lot of time in effort kind of remolding myself. So that was very surprising in shock. I feel like that is so interesting. I've told people that like sculpture metaphor million times. I've never heard anybody say that. And it's like the scales are falling from my eyes. Like, you're the sculpture. Yeah. Emmanuel AME kids are just banging against you and forming a new possibly horrible thing. But you're that's called Fisher. Like, you're that. You're the person changing. Yeah. And that's the other thing that was so strange to as you have a sense of what who you are. But then yeah, I feel like parenthood it brings out all these strange parts of you that you didn't know it existed. Like, my husband, and I we always start we were really shale and like not that uptight. But like parenthood has hottest like, no, we are really intense. People who yell apparently, we have no. That's a good one. I I couldn't have predicted that about myself either. Right. Oh, leeann who you yell all time. Actually, the mother lode started the show started with me or Betsy Wright alone on stage. Just trying to get the kids ready ready for bed like the last half hour from the like, the I don't know where blinky is we're not going to like it's cheaper blinky like just losing your stuff. And my director who was not a not a mom was sort of like, I don't I don't know. Like, I feel like this is like too much out of the gate. I don't want you to be unsympathetic. You know, it just kind of weird that you're even though the kids aren't on stage with you, it seems kind of weird that you're just like starting by yelling at them. And I was like I think it's going to work. You know, I think that the mothers of my audience will know what this is. And they won't be afraid of it. And you know, and I was right. You were totally right. And that is such. Overall, mom takeaway. I just was like posting on the Facebook page my husband's outta town. And I have a huge aversion to like, garbage and dishes. Those are all do everything else in the house. But I don't I don't like garbage and dishes. And so when my husband's away like the garbage doesn't go out. So this morning, I was just posting a funny picture on Facebook. Because I was like my husband's to it for two days, and this is our sync. And then I looked at the picture, and I was like we think this is actually to disgusting to put on Facebook. Like, someone might call Trump protective services on the second. I put it up people were like, oh, my single extent temps in that like everything you think like no this is a little too much. Mom ING someone else is doing until. Yeah. I mean, I do the same every now. And then I'll I'll if my house is like looking horrible. I'll take a picture, and I'll post it on my mom's group or posted on the Facebook group for my podcast in. Yeah. I feel like people are like oh, thank God. Yeah. This looks like my house. Don't worry about night. It's hard though. It's hard seeing all those pictures on Pinterest and stuff. And you're like, oh, no, I'm I'm the only garbage person out there. I think maybe another. I mean, we're just basically merchandising here. But another t-shirt idea is you're not the only garbage person. I wanna hear Betsy I want to hear about parenting, all boys. Right. Pretty close in age. I think that's you get a special star for that. I'm curious how that has been exactly what you could have predicted. It would be in. How it's how it might be different. It's mostly for me just about the like energy. There's just a lot of like constant energy flailing, people bumping into things people making things fall on the floor. Like, I'll never have a rug. It's funny though. Because I I actually did always want all boys. That's what I wanted. And that's what I got. But yeah, it's not like it's not the cuddly soft like listening to what I say ever that. I thought might. Motherhood might look like it's not that not the listening to what you say ever when you were when you were imagining these all boys, you were imagining them listening to you. That was the that was the where you fell down. Yeah. I guess I just or. Yeah. It just didn't work out that way. I just mean like when I when I'd see my friends who have girls or I go. Yeah. I go to someone's house where they have girls like they'll tell their girl kid like oh, sit down in eat with a spoon in like, they will it snow shocking. It's shocking. They'll have like a table like a low table with pictures in frames, and none of them are broken. Like, I can't have these things, and I will say like every we say all the time like gender stuff you can't Bank on gender. There's a lot of variation. And none of this stuff is you know, there's a lot of gender cliches and stuff, but I really do. I remember going to the beach with a friend of mine when I have my two little boys, and he had one girl and his daughter sat in poured sand from one Cup to another for three hours. And I she's my kids around trying to stop them from running into the ocean or into traffic for three hours. Hours and at the end of the day. He was like is imperative had great and I almost like punched him in the face. That's like parenthood. We have basically I'm reasonably to wild animals, and you're raising like houseplant. Well, yeah. I mean going back to what you were saying about gender like on my podcast, my co host Amanda Allen. She has an oldest son. He's like seven, and he's like, very quiet and introspective a listens. He's smart. He's just like a very good boy in she has two five year old twins and their girls, and they are animals and. That happen. They are hell cats like go to the bathroom on the carpet. They'll climb the walls. She'll find him eating garbage like they're just insinuating with book, the stereotypes Laden, I send you. But. Yeah, I definitely feel that sometimes when I like we have a guest on our show. We all share a story of a time that our kids broke us. And so she Amanda, and I will share these like horrifying stories kind of like what I just told you of eating garbage in going to the bathroom on the floor. But if we have someone who has like one little girl their story. I mean, their story will be like this one time, I made my daughter cry because I got a little loud, and I felt bad. We're like robo buoy. It's like once she looked at me slightly a scant. That's how much and my daughter is like my kids are very like gender stereotypical. But I will say one thing that I find surprising is I always kind of I didn't find out what it was having. So my my third. I'm pretty sure I was just sure I just felt like I was going to have a boy. And so I was like I'm going to be that like mom of three boys person. And I was surprised by how much like I have found the like naughty chaos of my boys, genuinely fun and entertaining. Oh, yeah. Like, I was kind of if I was saying like what I pictured. It would be kind of like that seems annoying like a bunch of like rabid animals running around the house, but I find it fantastic. That's been surprising. That was one of my things that I thought that I couldn't have predicted that I would enjoy yet that I wouldn't enjoy the chaos and energy not all the time. But sometimes right when you stop trying to fight it and allow yourself to be carried with it it, you know, it's pretty fun and funny. Yeah. I call it capitulating to the chaos. Yeah. That's good. We call our kids team chaos. Are they in together the working the working as a group to undermine authority? Hell no because it's chaos help. That would involve organizations stretching planning. No. It's like a bunch of laser beams and like trying to put them in a shoebox. Yeah. It's like cooperative play like cooperative chaos. Doesn't happen until much later the developmental field. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm here on the older kids side tell you guys that like the chaos it all settles down and in those laser beams get focused on like mom's forehead. I'm now into the like everything I say is the stupidest thing that any person could ever have said I'd just get that. Like put your shoes on in a while. We have to put my shoes on that kind of stuff. Yeah. It it gets rides focused minor ten eight and six and what I noticed is like the laser beams are starting. They're starting to realize the power of like two laser beams verse one other kid, and it doesn't they do at different times. But like they've started to learn to like team up against one other. But I can see Amy that like coming for me. None too far in the future is the three of them realize. Their power if they all turn towards me, right right there like the ultimate like art of war thing, which is like warring factions, and then the factions realize if they get together they could dominate the other factions and then eventually they're like, wait, let's all get together and overthrow the supreme leader. That's what's coming for me next that quote about like, the enemy of my friend is also my enemy the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah. That's what they're running. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. They've got a common enemy. It's a dad off of horrifying aiming my eight year old is already starting to show signs of what you just described. And I'm so scared of what is to come. Oh god. Yeah. It's it's hard. I don't really have advice on besides some sometimes I'll just be like you're making me feel really bad about myself. Like just pick one thing at some point today. There's going to be one thing I say that you're gonna say, okay or sure can do that or not. That's true. They just picked one down, Amy. They're doing what Betsy taught us there. Chip. Ping away. Your chips might sculpture is pretty skinny. Very hunter attenuated this point. Yes. It's happening much later in the motherhood process than I anticipated. But okay. Betsy we love you. Tell us about your podcast, and you and where we can find all the stuff that you do. Well, I do a show at U C B theater, you're in Los Angeles. It's called teachers lounge where we we improvise the other teachers Superfund in. Then I also am a do a podcast called y mommy drinks. And I think if you like your show you'll like our show if you love you'll love for sure exactly we all share a story of time. Our kids drove us to drink literally or figuratively and Ben super phone. We have a guest in Superfund. And then I'm also going to be on the show called American Princess that comes out June second on lifetime. It's all about like a renaissance fair and all of the people in it. And who you I'm one of the ladies in waiting to the Queen in everyone in the renaissance festival hates me. But as a great cast broil, Molly from a Hamilton is in it. He's a delight end gingy Cohen is one of the producers. She did orange is the new black and glow. Yeah. And Jamie Dumbo created it at all of her the Aetna. No her so. Yeah. I think it's going to be really a funny show and I'm excited. That's great. Betsy get back to the thunderdome. Back to the thunderdome your time out of the thunderdome has ended return the thunder don't back to the thunder dome. Thank you for naming my auto biography. Yes. Returned to thunderdome. I love it. We do need another hero. Betsy was so great talking to you. Thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun. So my sister-in-law is about to take my two year old nephew on an airplane. Who boy connecting flights? Right. Not good yet. And just yesterday. She was saying, okay. I'm probably supposed to download something for him to watch. 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H O P S T E, R dot TV and select us voucher and enter the voucher code laughing to get a month of hop stir entertainment for free. Let's all this down, shall we? We all had a lot of expectations about what this motherhood gig would be like, and they weren't all that accurate. What we thought this would be like, I will marry someone who is my true partner in all things. And we will never keep anything from each other. What this is really like Honey did you feed the kids chocolate cupcakes for dinner when I was out last night? They were not supposed to tell you that what we thought this would be like, I will let my children learn at their own pace. What this is really like. Oh my God. We've been working on this. Math fact, log for an hour seven times nine is sixty three what we thought this would be like my children will only watch educational programming. What this is really like, you know, when you think about it SpongeBob actually is educational. I'm to teaches conflict resolution how to run a small business. Oh, you know, what what ever turn on? Other episodes mummy can finished making dinner. What we thought this would be like I will feed my child a wide and varied diet, featuring all the colors of the rainbow. What this is really like listen at least the pizzas from a different place than last night. What we thought this would be like I will cherish every moment. Understanding that the days may be long. But the years are short what this is really like there will be several days where I seriously consider leaving my kids in a basket on the lawn holding a sign that reads free children. Poor Betsy in the thunder dome fest wishes Betsy best wishes to her and. Yeah, I mean, I think we all have the same a lot of the same theme. Attic differences in what we thought. This was going to be like one thing that I'm going to say that we have not touched on yet. Is that I feel like I I've said before I wasn't a person who was like, I can't wait to have kids. Like, I was never that person. Who was like I picture my kids. I always sort of like it could go either way for me. I might just stay single. Oh, really? That's interesting. I didn't know that about you. I was not like a crazy, mom doubt person. And all and in fact, there was a part of me that was like, I'm not sure I'm going to be good at this. I don't know. Like, I also was thirty six I made my own living. I was living in Hollywood. I was pretty independent like I kind of definitely wanted to have a partner. And then I was like kids I could go either way I was. Never that into the concept and along with that. I was always kind of paranoid about the amount of work that was involved with kids. And I had a supreme amount of paranoia about like having a kid who struggled in any way. Like, it seemed to me like, I know I I'm not sure I can handle kids. But I know I can't handle anything difficult. The happens with kids, and I don't have any kids who have gigantic. You know headliner struggles as many people do, but I have been surprised that dealing with struggles. With my kids has been much less scary than I anticipated. Yeah. Everybody's got him. First of all, I was super paranoid about it. I was like I was like if I'm going to have kids like I'm not even sure about wanting kids in the beginning. But if I'm going to have them, they better be like, the world's easiest most simple. Like nothing ever goes wrong with them kids. And that was crazy. Right. And not the case ended in here. We are. Right. That's that's a good one. I find that like an interesting takeaway like, oh wherever you go. There. You are. And like whatever kid you get there. You are. And like that works to what did you not expect about having those problems that you be capable of handling them? Yeah. That I be capable of handling them that like basically, like if I'm a person who's not sure even want kids. I definitely can't deal with any problems that come along with kids. I would have like I can't get a hard kid. And none of my kids are particularly hard. But some of my kids have harder issues than the sort of generic baseline norm. And I find them not scary and not hard in a way that I am thrilled to find is true. You know, there are no easy kids remit they're easier. Kids, I suppose, but there are no easy kids. So yeah. But there are definitely kids who are harder than others have issues that make it harder than others. Whether those things be and guys just to like, take down the fourth wall for a second. I don't get really specific about my kids and. What's going on with them day day because this is a podcast where like I talk about my views, and I don't really wanna leave lingering record of like anything that might be going on with my kids because I don't think that's fair to them. So like, I'm speaking basic generalities. But some kids have struggles, and it's a little harder for them than other kids. And so that's what I'm trying to deal with does that make sense himmy? Absolutely. Absolutely. I didn't know before I became as old as I am with kids as old as I have that. I would still feel like young. I thought that once you became a mom of two teenagers like get out the bathing suits with the skirts. Like, no problem game over old lady. Hang out on the front porch. Like it's over like, you try to go to the beach vacation. They're like man, we have to stop you there. Yeah. You've two teenagers. And I don't think he got the memo, but it's over I thought that I would feel like an old lady. And so I wouldn't feel bad about being perceived as an old lady or feel bad in the ways that I didn't still look twenty-five or didn't still, you know, was not perceived by the world in the same way. And that's not true. I still feel like I just got out of college. And I and and every time I engage with the fact that I have two teenagers. I can't believe that I have two teenagers, and that's like still to everyday from me in a way that I could not have predicted. Well, my dad just turned eighty something. But on his eightieth birthday, we gathered around any a like, basically give to us. And he's like tell you what you'd never do feel eighty and like you never do feel forty something with two teenage right either. Like, you never do feel. We have discussed this under the headline. Oops. I'm old which is. Is something that I think you look this is the one thing that I think like when people are like if you could go back until you're twenty year old self something. What would it be? And it's always this thing. Which is like oops. I'm old like I had kids when I was thirty seven. I was still like wearing a bikini like getting looks at the claw. Like, I I mean, I was a young person, and I was like old to be a young person. And then I had kids and ten years later. I am none of those things. Like, I am crappy skin older person. Who does not like have three men? Leap up to help me with my suitcase as I try to get it in the overhead bin like people like just over there is and they're like your problem old lady. But that to me is the most shocking thing like how you age when you're not looking like, I sing that beautiful. Boy sunk to my kids all the time. And it's the great line life is what happens to you. When you're biz. Making other plans, and like you look up one day and ten years has gone by like that. And you wanna go and shake young people. And like you can't you're it's Cassandra like guys it's coming. You're going to be old too. And like young people are just like how old they never me or even worse like I was at the gym. And there was a trainer stretching. A woman of a certain age, you know, stretching her out after their at workout together. And the trainer was just one of these people who keeps up a stream of chatter. Clearly, you know, all the time. And she's like obstructing forty forty so stressed. What did I do Michigan? And this woman was like stop stop stop. You say I'm sixty three you're thirty nine. And I'm hearing you talk about how you're about to turn forty and you're so old, and I'm here to tell you like do not waste your fortieth year feeling old. You're not old like an effect could go back and spend my forties and fifties not feeling bad about myself. I I would do that. Like stop feeling that you like our mold. And of course, she was feeling bad about being sixty three. Right. She's like I'm old. You're not old. But I was stretching next to them by myself. Like, you're right. I'm gonna try to take this in like stopped talking about how old you are. You've got a lot of runway. Well, it's really true. When like, that's right. Like, I'm forty seven and people in their sixties don't want to hear me complain about being old. But like I. Still think of myself as twenty so I feel so old like it's that's a funny dynamic, but it's probably good to just be like, I am like healthy and getting by and like whether my skin looks weird at my neck is not. So we actually probably spend a ton of my time thinking about, but also like, you are I just was talking to a friend of mine, and I was reading this book, sir C, which is like the big book. Everyone's ready right now, it's a retelling of the Greek myth and stuff, and I was just laughing to myself because I was reading it. It's like the old Krones and like the young nymphs in like the young nymphs are like playing in the sun. And I was like I'm so hash tag team crow. Like, I have crossed the other side. I'm just like don't be ridiculous settle in and go to bed early. Like, it's not just old in body. It's like I become an older person. You do like you do like the FaceTime thing. Where like you? Switch faced him by accident. I looked like Ursula from the little mermaid, right? Like, I make who who is this person. And it's a waste of time into it anyway. But even in attitude, I'm just like get off my lawn. It's happened. It's like the face stuff. You're like, whatever. Like, this is what I look like sorry guys. But it's just funny to me how much I've become like an old lady. In terms of like man is not prudent like, I don't know. I've just I was kind of looking re rebellious like kooky twenty something and it's happened. Now. I'm like get off my lawn, and I should my broom it's got a good one. Let's which to a positive one. Yes. All right. I thought that I would hate breastfeeding. I like not for me kinda weird not gonna do it. And then the sort of bargain, I made with myself as I will do it up until the first obstacle like I should have mistakes by about thirty six hours in and then I'm going to be like, I'm going to take the first exit. I hit loved it. I'm glad you can say that because I hated breath. I hit it everything about it loved it. And I was so I was so afraid of it. And so sure it wasn't going to work. And so sure that I would be like an I nursed all three of my kids for you. Year. And and I know I know that I'm lucky to say at this this this is not a everybody must breastfeed speech. I was so ready for there to be problems, and I didn't have problems, and it was like lovely and easy. And it was like in some ways the best time of parenting for me because I could solve pretty much any problem. I was having at any time, and it was so much easier. This is like in the category of something that didn't surprise me. I think one of the my versions to motherhood is like I wasn't really a newborn person. And I didn't become a newborn person. I don't I don't like lack of sleep. I don't like the constant. I'm very like I like interacting. I don't like the like everything goes in one direction me like pouring into the baby. And I always say like if someone would hand me a four year old, I would have ten more kids, but I could never have another baby. And you had the three of them so close together. Did you just know you one at three? No, I I was thirty seven, and I was like I. I guess I want a couple. Let's see how many we can have. And then four years later when I had three I was like holy cow. This plan is going to. Well, we need to put right? We need to not have. And so I just I had mine close together because I started so late, but I would have loved to have four kids. Like, I I'm from a big family. And I was like if I'm going to have a family I want to have a couple I would like to have four, but I started too late. But I mean, I could have had ten like I like the chaos of it. But I never I'm just not a newborn person give me like a four year old who I can like wrestle and play with him make jokes with and I'm happy. But I don't even like I'm not like so you envisioned yourself like I'm not gonna love the newborn stage. And then you were right. You didn't like the LeBron's. I was I was right. I hate breastfeeding. I hated the wakeup like, I mean, I see a baby, and I'm like cute. But I we were just my sister-in-law. I'd I said it out loud before I even had was able to stop myself, but she has a three year old, and he was just like running around and crazy, and I was like oh thank God it over three year old anymore. Like I like. I like a logical little being like I'll take a five year old this keeps going up. So you so I won't even one eight five year old. I guess is what I'm saying. I think maybe I just only John. No. I mean when they start going to school all day sounds like like full day kindergarten is when they container up. Yeah. That maybe that's it like a five year old. You're potty trained you're going to school most of the day. And I can reason with you. That's that's that's my golden spot. You're a little like WC fields about this. But I get it and actual parenthood did not change that about you know. And I mean, it's fun. And I think I mean, it's like I didn't as my grandmother, Conroy would say, I didn't like it off the sticks and stones from my mom was kinda like that too. She was like I have four kids. But she was never like, oh, give me that baby. She was like I like a kid, I can chap. I predicted exactly correctly. How much I would love Santa and the tooth fairy the Easter bunny being being part of my life. I have really enjoyed having all of those things in my life so much. I thought they'd be awesome. And they are awesome. And it's kind of disappointing when it's just all grownups, and you don't have those special people in your life, and it has been really fun to have them back. Yeah. I mean, I definitely have that with like. I one of the things I was looking for in a spouse. And my my husband is like a home run on this is like, I I like a fun plan. And so I tend to be the Fred of my friend group who's like, let's go to the mystery room. Like, let's rent a sailboat and figure out if we can use it like, let's I don't know like get in the car at midnight and drive to another state. That's amazing. Well, yeah. Like, I liked to be like, hey, I've got a crazy scheme, and let's try and that when you're when you get older and your friends are like married and stuff like I was kind of getting on my own island of like, I've got a crazy scheme and having kids has reawakened the awesomeness of like my. Let's I have a crazy scheme. Like, I'm constantly coming up with crazy schemes and just dragging the kids along to it. And it's fun. Like, I have a little pack of people to do my crazy schemes with which I enjoy a lot which is like now like, yeah. Now, it's like let's run in our van drive around the state. Like crazy scheme. But like, there's no s- crazy scheme that you your kids aren't up for. That's what's great about having kids. Did you look forward to that before you became apparent the idea that you were going to do these criticisms with them? I just it's been kind of a nice surprise. Like, I didn't even understand that until I had kids. Like, I remember being like man, I don't have anyone to do fun stuff with my thirties because like my married friends. You know, I was like getting to be the last unmarried person. And I just didn't have a deep bench of people who I could be like, hey, I just read about this weird pair farm in, you know, Costco, Moscow or whatever crazy town outside of LA. Like, let's go there on Saturday like and so but now with kids like if I'm like, oh my God. There's a haunted train that runs a midnight in Vermont. We're going to that. Like, I've got my God. My group is being a mom more fun than you thought. It would be or about the same more fun me too. I'm in one I wanted to do it. I mean, it was a it was. The one non negotiable thing about my future that I was going to be a mom and have a couple of kids. I mean that just was like it was going to happen. But I don't remember deciding ahead of time. I knew that. I would love it. Because I would love the kids. I don't think I really thought too much about how much I would come. How fun. It would be. And it is pretty good job. It's pretty good job. A may. Well, I'm sure our listeners have many things they were surprised about right grass about becoming a parent. And we want to hear about them on our Facebook page, which is Facebook dot com forward slash what fresh hell cast and also please join our Facebook group just search for groups on Facebook what fresh hell podcast, and there are so many fun discussions going on. And what I love is like the moms are there to like lift each other up and help each other out which a loved. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Ross on Instagram at what fresh hell cast and on Twitter at W, F, H podcast, and Betsy Stover is hilarious. If you guys doing. Listen to mommy drinks. Definitely check them out wherever you get your podcasts because she in. Amanda Allen are very funny. And with that guys we will talk to you next week. Hi.

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Weekly Highlights November 18 - 24

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

02:59 min | 2 years ago

Weekly Highlights November 18 - 24

"Today's episode is proudly brought to you by try to cubs. The double bay dot com. Join up for the free biweekly video newsletter with myself my table, keep you up to date on the moves that are in this crypto market now if you wanna learn how to make money within the market goes up or down go to try to call dot com. Now. The traded Cup. Crypto podcast weekly highlights. They will say I often say, no, no, not all obviously, those people say this is not normal market activity. But it is for this market. Do you know that it's not just about holding waiting if that's the way you still Ondo? Let's fly. Hopefully, you'll have one of these people that are really worried because you've got your plan you're going to stick to it. And it is what it is. To the. Three these periods of the very happy to just you're just want to bother fucking goes straight up. Everything goes straight up on what the million dollars, ladies and gentlemen. This is the real world. This is not how it works. You got put in the hard yards. The education Betsy manage your emotions in this space. Just because Cousy think the market's going to bounce back up doesn't mean that will the market can and will go low the market Ken, and we'll go higher and what we're saying. At the moment is going low accountability is the most important asset. You got if you choose to use it. Yourself is the businesses. The companies token, whatever it is your money into doing that job. They pulling through relate pushing to do what they said they would do. And this is something that I heard over and over again, oh, it's so unfair. If I found out about bitcoin in two thousand and eleven I would have bought a lot, and I'd be worth lots and lots of money. And you know, it's just people got lucky they didn't get lucky because as you know, they were traders back in two thousand eleven they bought it a dollar, and they sold that four, and they they thought they were geniuses 'cause they made four x their money goes down. Bitcoin goes it has done this for a very very long time. There are loads of great people in these spice. China's not going anywhere that tried plan was to out at one to one so minimize my risk, first and foremost, and then leave the rest for hedge. And that's what done. If it's going to go up that fos can also come down that FOSS like you conscious. You can't pick and choose what you wanted to do markets a markets. It's it's a war twain, vase and sellers, you need to understand that these are your choices. This is your understanding this up to you to move around within this market. Is it all of northern view, not in the view of the paper within this by? Wants to be them on big companies and.

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The Thing About Pam

Dateline NBC

1:24:13 hr | 1 year ago

The Thing About Pam

"I'm Lester Holt. Welcome to the twentieth season of Dateline Tonight a new chapter in our most twisted mystery ever at the heart of it a woman as Keiji as they come. He's counting on the door flew open as you and how would you describe Pam old both as they get shades started screaming that he was a murderer. She thinks she's clever. I didn't realize realize how dangerous she is. You Look your shoulder twenty four seven lady in yet you picking people up playing like three people died suspiciously and she's been the last person with them. It's Pam anything can happen. I think she knew that she's going to be prime time again and everybody's really paying attention and here's Keith Morrison the thing about Pam. Where does it live evil whereas it born does it spring a horror movie from some dark and frightening place yeah or does live quietly in find society people in their respectable homes on their wide green moms us as they live their decent lives ten carefully manicured friendships. This story is about the evil that smile and helps and sympathizes that worms at hidden way into unsuspecting minds and kill this is about such a woman as we had never seen and though we followed her for years we had no idea until till now the story we can finally tell tonight it was. December twenty seven th two thousand eleven acquired. It'll suburban town said Lewis Gold Troy Missouri. It was evening seven thirty or so a winter chill was settling on the rooftops frosting the lawns outside the little house under the streetlight was opposed Christmas silence then the sound of a door closing female footsteps retreating a car pull you away into the dark and silence again then two hours later location of your emergency breath so I can see what's going on in Hong on the menu here on the phone so apparently distraught so beside himself is Russ Faria telling the dispatcher he had arrived home to find his wife's betsy lying on the living room floor. A knife still embedded firmly in her rational thinker. She's Theon help right now. I look like she killed herself. So what did she do. Do you know how the police arrived and look around and took US still hysterical man to the sheriff's Office for questioning yeah. They got him settled down and asked him. Why did he say it was suicide as she wanted her so. I don't know oh. She just wanted to scare me or what but she said she was very killer so that's when Russ told them betsy was dying and stage four cancer that afternoon. He said she'd gone to Kibo later to her mom's place though he worked all afternoon at his Home Office and after cigarettes in House Mike's House us where he went for his regular Tuesday game night with friends said he call betsy on the way I asked her she allow the hope is she said Oh there was bigger home and he said okay. I'll Seattle later then at nine. He left left. Mike's picked up a couple of sandwiches. Darby's drove home opened the door just before nine forty and there she was it was early the next morning when Badchi's mother Janet Meyer got the awful news four sergeants marched right in one of them looked right at me and said Betsy is dead. That's the way it was announced. That's the way it was told to me. Well Betsy her exuberant daughter earn IRV life in the party magnetic personality. She drew people like flies and just energized. Everybody all very true set her sisters. Betsy was unique. She started. DJ At the age of I think she was eighteen. Maybe even younger than that and she could start startup a party. She takes you outside of your comfort zone. You will not have a bad time if he would hang out with her and her twelve year marriage to rush plus cops wrote down Betsy Mothers response they had a great relationship and it was to Betty's mother the two of them went when they learned the Badchi's cancer once in remission at come roaring back and was staged for Russia's cousin Mary Anderson when they they were standing in the kitchen and betsy was rubbing. His arm hit a walk out to the carport because he couldn't talk about she was comforting him. She was comforting him because he couldn't face it. but betsy was determined to enjoy life while she could insisted they go ahead with plans for cruise with family and friends. He wanted betsy to do anything and everything that betsy ever wanted to do he wanted her to have those experiences so that cruise for example. Chris that's when they went to swim with the dolphins but now in the sheriff's Office Russ was saying betsy. You tried suicide before a couple of times so when he saw the knife he assumed she succeeded. That's that's when the detectives told him that. Betsy could not have killed herself. It was impossible you over twenty five in high five times. There's still own pathologist counted more than fifty stab wounds doesn't do that run. A stranger doesn't do that. Somebody who loves that person does that somebody who goes white rage data does that somebody like him. The fact of the matter is not they were their own. The rest didn't know how could he then well investigators. Were really him. They were also talking to someone else. These very degrading tour A. N. He makes is comments about how much money he'll have after she's gone. It was a woman a friend. He's got life insurance on our at work. She's got life insurance. currence bill passed the House Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah just insensitive staff which would have sat her and insist tired of it. This was the woman who had driven Betsy home that early evening as the frost was gathering on the grass and yes. She said she could tell them all kinds the things about Ross and Betsy Faria they can you state your last week four eight. Up and your first pan hop. That's a name you need to remember. Pam Hub was about to take a lead role at what would be common epoch case when we come back. He start playing this game putting a pillow over her face. This is what it's GonNa feel like when you die and then act like he this kidding and later another nine one one call from Pam Herself Griffin in my house hell. It didn't sound right. It didn't smell right didn't taste right a crazy plot about to unfold starring someone impersonating us from Dateline Dateline Paul of Post Christmas. Miss Grief settled over betsy for his friends and family. They knew her mother knew she was going to die in a year or two or three of cancer uh but murder the way she died that was absolutely horrible and hard to visualize and the police seemed to know who you did it. They leaned hard on Russ. I have my why not do it was Russ capable of such as and that first day detectives assets his mother and she said things have been quote great in the marriage and Russ had been a thoughtful devoted son-in-law. Russ had been very good to me all these years so that's another reason this was also hard to take. It's like losing to people close to him. I was close to argue. Is the the Senate away but early on investigators were also talking to betsy friend. Pam Up the woman who drove her home by the Mirdha Oughta. Get your friendship is best friends or betsy hit. A lot of best friends the best friends but yes yes. I saw almost every day every other day. I'm so cheat known betsy for a decade they'd worked in insurance together both pam hub and Betsy Faria word for for me work to that insurance agent Mike Bosh both women had been married twice and had two children. Each betty was vivacious a full of energy full of life and just really meet lady. What about Pam hop. She was a right arm for my agency for a while. she was a fun friendly. Friendly level headed intelligent person and you trust her. She was a good confidant is just the way Pam was now impressing those detectives as she told them she knew the inside story bet she's marriage at. Russ was not a good person. He's verbally mean to her. You is pompous us. He's a know it all. He smokes in the house. Even though she's been sick and doesn't care she disrespectful. Oh He's very disrespectful. The feelings hurt a Latte and she just doesn't care to be around him. Got So bad said Pam the Bessie was secretly planning to divorce him just a week or so before her death betsy and another friend had gone to Branson Missouri supposedly for fun but said Pam. They were actually plotting their escape. They they had talked about moving down a brand together and leaving their husbands so last week and she wanted to go to Branson and talk about it and make a plan. That's certainly not how Russ described his marriage though it hardly been perfect admitted his you know history domestic clouds her. We argued quite a bit quite a few years ago five years ago six years ago we were separated. Ah But there was violence or anything to go who to believe Ross Pam mm-hmm. They tried a little test without telling Russ. What Pam was saying. They asked him about her. She's a good person she fridley. Let's say no the detectives pushed him after all if he was innocent who else else could have done it was the last person to have seen betsy alive but she sure would and did tell stories on Russ. He started playing this game putting a pillow over for her face to see what it would feel like. I don't know she said this is what it's GonNa feel like when you die or whatever and then act like keep us kidding. She's very upset Zac. The Detectives Confronted Russ about that he never overweight. No you know what do I know why her friends held Gary here but once police looked at the crime scene Pam I am hops version of things seemed much more likely they found Russia's slippers in his bedroom closet stained with betsy blood and her blood on on a light switch in the bedroom must have been rushed with his bloody hands. Who put it. There is floppy crime scene. There's blood on your clothes in your in your bedroom. I didn't even go to my bedroom. There's no one else that has any kind of monetary or you can't tell you what I don't know. I don't know the question Russ on and off for forty eight hours then their case not quite complete. They let him go. No comment on the media was waiting. The story was all over town. The Russ was the prime and only suspect I like to say and boy. This case has really been taking a lot of turns today. By the time they buried Betsy Hamm was spreading her opinions everywhere about Russ and Betsy and the murder russes cousin. Mary heard was alarmed armed so these red flags off from my head. Well wait a minute. She's talking to the media. The only person talking to the media choose accusing rose and she's giving these details she comes into the funeral home pointing the finger at him by the day after the funeral bets friends and family appeared to have taken a hard turn earn against Russ. They were remembering things a little more like PAM did. I mean people were described. As a pig. There was this anger in him that he he could hide and he could put on a front giddy by pens. Rocketing Betsy was afraid that last night afraid of what Russ might do more than fifty stab wounds some ragent e or a good facsimile coming up questions about Pam herself like on the night of Betsy Murder White. Pam Drive her home. This was approximately thirty minutes. It's out of Miss Hubs Way. I don't know why she offered to do it. Because Betsy already had a ride home from Russ when Dateline continues the store raise a powerful thing and the thing about Pam was she understood that like the story she told the police cast Faria as a mean and greedy husband just waiting for his wife Betsy to die of cancer so he could get her life insurance in fact. Pam told Detectives of Betsy was Afraid Russ would would waste it all on selfish spending and since she trusted Pam she said I'm going to make you the beneficiary if you could when my daughters the older give them some money I said okay well. How much is a four hundred fifty thousand dollars. So Betsy made pam the beneficiary three of one hundred fifty thousand dollar life insurance policy. was that what set off Russians homicide detective asked him in a roundabout the way that she got policies recently or any changes learning policies Roussel's was he lying because clearly something ugly happened in the House that night control like perhaps finding out about about that insurance switch anyway they decided the important thing was he didn't eight days after Betsy death that charged Russ with first degree murder cousin. Mary found attorney Joel Schwartz one of the top criminal defense attorneys in Saint Louis Schwartz certainly knew the power stories and the story making the rounds was bad for Russ Faria but Russ didn't seem like a bad guy to attorney Turney Schwartz and certainly not a killer. I wanted to get to know rough. I know I would consider very well and a and my sense of Russ's Russes a good person rough around the edges but ultimately a good person. We mean rough around the edges. He's he's not gonna be the most tactful person in the room. He's not going to be the most gracious person in the room but those aren't really the things that matter. What matters is what's consigning when you get inside or us. He's a good person so he dug into the story of Russian Betsy and found not the story. Pam told at all like story told the detectives Betsy Wanted Pam to get her life. Insurance and Betsy made the arrangements. She had meet her at the library here in wing haven she was there already she filled out the form signed it we went up to the girl at the counter showed her yeah. I di witnessed it so Schwartz found that girl at the counter and she said it wasn't like that at all. She said Pam was in charge Pam. I'm did the talking well. Betsy stood back that made it sound like it was pam's idea and remember how told the police that betsy and another friend friend went to Branson to secretly plan their respective divorces. Schwartz found that friend to Linda Hartman and she said nope not at all. They had no plan to leave their husbands. It was just the opposite we went to the Strip shopping and she was on the Jelly Bean stew. She told me how they were brought his favorite candy and they Russ was on the phone. Oh and he was picking the ones that he liked and when she got back home they were going to eat those. Jedi beans together. Something was bothering betsy that weekend and she told me that she had to meet Pan. She couldn't tell what the beach with about but she kept on telling me that she didn't want to go to that meet. The one thing that girl at the library recounter's said she heard from betsy was that she was divorcing her husband. which given what you just told? Linda did make sense unless I think there was some form of pressure put on her betsy was not a person who would do something like this without pressure from what I'm told and not tell her mother and not tell her sister's I four days after the insurance change. Bam drove betsy home and betsy was murdered so now Schwartz made a time line. What else happened that last day. Betsy had chemotherapy scheduled that particular day she received a text from Pam Hop Pamela to join her at Chemo and she texted back. They don't need a ride. My mother's friend her name was bobby is in town and she's. GonNa take me where we need to spend some one on one time together so in other words stay away other words. Don't come one on one time to me means. You're you're interrupting if you come nevertheless mishap chose to join them at chemotherapy therapy after chemotherapy bobby took betsy to dinner and then back to his mother's house. That's where Pam Victor Up to give her the s four ride home now. This was approximately thirty minutes out of Miss Hubs Way. I don't know why she offered to do it because betsy. We already had a ride home from Russ left. Pepsi's Mother's house around six thirty in the evening they would have arrived at Betty's play shortly after seven afterwards cell L. phones help. Tell the story of pets time of death at seven four. There's a call from Pam's phone to Pam's husband and in in that call betsy gets on the phone very much alive but seventeen minutes later at seven twenty one. There's a call from that's his daughter unanswered Tebessie at seven twenty six. There's an unanswered call to Betsy at seven twenty seven. There's a call from Pam hubs cellphone. Tibetsi cellphone also unanswered that call. Pan told the detectives was to let Betsy no she was home safe except said Schwartz that it wasn't possible. If you called in your husband is seven zero four and the next call seven twenty-seven it's impossible for you to have been home at that time if at least a half an hour's right it's at least half half an hour drive and she said she went inside for ten to fifteen minutes so she then said while I was almost home were actually what she based on the altar triangulation at the very most about three miles from the house at the very least she was still at the House Bet Sees House that is at the very time Schwartz calculated betsy was being stepped death very different story indeed coming up roses game night buddies produced. What sounds like a slam dunk alibi once we heard the time line we knew that he could not have committed this crime impossible. It's impossible man cannot be in two places at the same own jury trials are in a way like theater everybody playing apart based on strict rules of evidence of course and careful preparation no different when Russ Faria went on trial for murder almost two years after betsy today the attorney Joel Schwartz prepared to turn the tables and essentially put Pam on trial as a greedy woman who killed betsy for for her insurance. Well the lead detective prepared Pam to counter that they're going to suggest that you may have something to do with the planning or the a conspiracy to commit that murder because of your financial windfall detective reminded. Pan She agreed to use the money to look after bets and his two daughters waters however have it's funny and turn this over to family gets a huge prop because girl volition. There's a lot of to make sure that the the family that the girls take care of the money so the detective gave a a little push girls before trial and a few days before the trial she did indeed indeed for two thirds of the money into a trust fund for the girls but it made no difference to the jury because the judge ruled that Defense Attorney Schwartz could not ask spam anything about the insurance or point Ed her as the likely killer after all said the judge. Pam Wasn't on trial and I couldn't get Iranian that I've never seen anything like it but of course the jury did see pictures of the multiple stab wounds evidence said the prosecutor Ascii of Russia's rage age. She showed them Russell slippers the slippers police found in his bedroom closet stained in betsy blood and her blood smudged on the bedroom light switch and and most devious said the prosecutor was Russia's alibi is fake alibi. She argued rose. Actually Killed Betsy Z. During the time he said he was at his weekly game night. Claim that was both impossible and an outrage said Schwartz. She proved nothing. Everything she did is merely guessing conjecture in my opinion missing man got charged with murder and then it sorta snowball from their thing was that towards. Ross had one of the Best Alabama's you've ever seen all four of Russia's game night friends testified that they were with Russ miles and miles from his house night night of the murder. They watched movies six. PM TO NINE PM at this man's house Michael Corcoran. We're all with eight feet of each other the whole night through the act the same as usual and you said you know. I looked over at him and he was dozed off for a second but again I think anything we are to this and then Russell left at nine stopped at Arby's. He's got home just before nine. Forty saw his wife on the floor and called nine one one once we heard the time line we knew that he could not have committed this crime impossible civil. It's impossible. Man cannot be in two places at the same time. Journey Schwartz wanted out to that rigor. Mortis had begun before the first responders arrived any you bet you'd been dead for a couple of hours. Then probably died just after seven by the time fan dropped betsy off at home and before the seven twenty one call well she didn't answer all those stab wounds inflicted after betsy was already dead looked suspiciously deliberate said Schwartz methodical as if somebody killed her and then afterwards went about the business of making it look as if somebody had been slashing her not as if somebody did that there's no other explanation for the lack of blood and there's no other explanation for the deep caught on her wrist. That's postmortem morten but how to explain betsy blood on Russell slippers in his closet easy said Schwartz. There was no imprint imprint of shoe in the blood. No is there any footprint anywhere on the tile floor leading back to where the slippers found so. How would they get on the shoes. Somebody attempt the two stage. This dipped in the blood dipped in the blood and hit those back in the closet. Schwartz was quite sure in fact that time inclined at all that she con Betsy into signing that insurance transfer then killed her for the money and promptly set about framing Russ even though said cousin Mary there was nothing showing he did it but there was everything showing he didn't and somebody else did this but remember the judge had ruled. Schwartz couldn't bring up virtually any of that in front of the jury still based on Russia's alibi. Long Schwartz was confident. They're being acquitted except that's not what happened. The verdict was guilty. I can't imagine how this jury deliberated and convict them. The worst part of it was looking at his face. He was in shock. He couldn't believe it and I haven't lost leaving a longtime over something in this in this business snus and I lost sleep for a long time coming up. Pam said she'd keep Betsy. Life Insurance Payout for her daughter's did she. She founded the trust so that during the trial that looked like she had given all this money to the kids after the trial. She took it all back. That's correct wow when dateline it line continues. Joel Schwartz was an unhappy man a client he was sure was innocent was imprisoned for life. The first thing he thought was the real killer. Pam Hop walked free and there didn't seem to be much he could do about it. It was what I would consider a travesty of justice. STAS Ross was in prison when we met him February two thousand fourteen. I just wanted to declare again my my innocence. I'm Minnesota no this. I can't imagine ever being mad enough to do anything like that to anybody. Let alone my wife and my love but none of Schwarz's arguments are Russia's denials persuaded bet she's family especially her mother once thought of Russia's Assan on if somebody were to come to you with evidence strong evidence that it wasn't rust but it was some other person is that's something that you could still feelings for us. One hundred percent then a few months later talk sports heard a bit of news. Pam was caught up in another legal case. Betsy daughters filed a lawsuit against her demanding that insurance money weird. Why hadn't pan put the money into a trust for them just before Russia's trial. Here's Tom Civil trial deposition. Why did you put the money into this trust account because I felt I was pressured to fill that account with that money from the prosecuting executor's site and from her family but what do you know right after Russia's trial she defunding funded the trust and took the money back for herself. She funded the trust so that during the trial it would look like she had given all this money kids. That's exactly correct after the trial. She took it all back again. That's correct. Wow would you think when you heard that I never never doubted that. That was her motive in the first place so nothing surprised me however that in and of itself is something that the Court of appeals needed to hear about that is the fact that PAM hoodwinked everybody. This search warrants was by legal definition important new evidence with the jury never got to here mm-hmm so it was a long shot but he filed a special motion asking for a hearing and against all odds it was granted and then just before that hearing the Lincoln County Prosecutor Leah Ascii met with Pam are making the judge us by this time. Pam of the prosecutor sounded like old friends having an unguarded conversation during which they agreed that attorney Schwartz was a sore loser wasting everybody's time and money feelings are used to lose and instead of that's really what it is now in in my innocence about sesame still a disservice to the taxpayers and citizens here in any case on June morning in two thousand thousand fifteen a year and a half after Russ was convicted they all assembled before a different judge for the hearing and after the Judge Judge Said Pans manipulation of that insurance money was indeed significant new evidence. If jurors had heard that they might have ruled differently he overturned earn Russians conviction and ordered a new trial is one of the best moments in my life. Finally something good good in my favor so quite streaming in suddenly from the sky or finally really see the light at the end of the tunnel is trying to call you Chris for Rio was released on bomb. Here's the freemen forever. His new trial was set for November. Two Thousand Fifteen to prepare detectives interviewed Pam again and UH PAM story seemed to shift he was Pam. This was just a day after the murder declining to directly accuse RUSS THINK ROSCA donors. I don't know well enough but in this new interview when you very first one Vesey you stabbed to death what went through your mind why because he was an to her first. I interview on her relationship with Betsy. Get a friendship is best friends or betsy hit a lot of best friends new new interview same question. I knew the most intimate of intimate family staff intimate yes us in this brand new story Tam Cast Yourself Not Justice Betsy friend but as betsy lover replaced placed with her husband would be it's honestly relationship with two women who really aren't attracted to women how to explain it. It's not I'm attracted command of everything. I can't wait to Magic Mike. Xl comes out but she's the same way. It's not like she was a lesbian or anything. It wasn't like it was such an evolution of emotional trump for her. I don't believe it nor did anybody else who knows betsy. I and frankly the people people we spoke to WHO KNEW PAM up. Nobody bought it. It just was a an excuse for betsy to have given her the money that is that's he's life insurance and as if that wasn't quite enough pam offered more news stories in her first interview when asked about Russ I mean he seems Nice enough. I I just don't know him that well but now such a tale push me up against the wall and he said never come over here again. He's all red invasion through. He's like about this far away from face yet. He was right there. I can feel the spit nasty and he said to dumpers to that effect ever catchy together. Kim Berry yet backyard then on tape that detectives actives tried out for Pam their theory of events immediately preceding the murder. What we believe may have happened is is that Ross walked in and saw you there. Did you see Rosset night in that house. I did not see how for that theory. We're was it because four months later. I'm suddenly recovered a memory that when she left Betsy House she saw car just down the street to men inside thinking recognized one of those I did. Yes they believe that personal with wrath. Yes Pam had brand new stories for her detective friends but she had something else to do something more persuasive than her shifting memories. She had evidence coming up a letter redress. Japan found on that sees laptop. What did it say. I'm scared to go home. I'm scared of Russ Russ. RHEA was a nervous man convicted once when I didn't think I would be so. There's always that possibility ability of it happening again this time there'd be no jury. Russ elected trial by judge alone and at least he knew as he prepared for a second can trial before that new judge that attorney Joel Schwartz would get the point. The finger at Pam has killer the last time it was like he was as a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. There was really no way for him to win because the judge wouldn't let them fight this time it was kind of the other way around the judges just there's referee and he wanted to hear every piece of evidence from both sides but before. Schwartz could make his case prosecutor. Lee Ask you was ready ready with new evidence like an officer saying that on the night of the murder he saw water droplets in the master bathtub implying that Russ cleaned up after after killing betsy this officer coming up with this evidence three and a half years after the fact and allegedly remembering bring something as minute of details water droplets in TUB is deeply troubling. There was a report on this frankly. I don't believe it. Schwartz was pretty sure he could swat away that claim but then just days before the new trial began the prosecution filed the motherload on bed sees laptop verbiage smoking gun. It was a letter never sent but addressed to pan the prosecutor called at Betsy Dying Declaration accleration. What did it say. I'm scared to go home. I'm scared Russ. He started putting a pillow over my face saying this is what it feels. It's like when you die. I WANNA give you the insurance money. The letter ended. If something happens to me. Would you please show this to the police when you got it. What did you think I would say initial reaction was this is troubling at mentioned this letter to detectives just just after Betsy murder that tennis last week and she said she typed me an email. Maybe if you guys can find that later she was going to send me no one had found the letter until now so Schwartz hired a computer expert to conduct an analysis it it turns out that it would be very difficult if not impossible for betsy to have written this way came up in their computer who I would just say that it was the only on authored documents. Don Approximately two hundred fifty documents contained within the computer meaning it was likely composed on a different computer and then transferred the Betsy Laptop timestamped at a moment when betsy happened to be playing tennis so who wrote it. Miss Hop knew what computer was in. We're on the computer. It was as when it was created this. The letter was loaded onto betsy laptop. The day before Pam became the beneficiary of Betsy Life Insurance policy five days before the murder it had to be part of a plot said Schwartz the frame Russ for betsy murder. It's likely to believe that that person deliberated Cooley as to what they were going to do to betsy and when they do it knowing Russell at the time of course his regular Tuesday game night Schwartz still the judge the evidence proved Russ could not have killed betsy and without saying so directly he strongly implied Pam most likely did and that was a true con artists that she not betsy he wrote that dying declaration that she lied again and again about Ross and his relationship with betsy that having murdered betsy she launched her plan to frame Ross and that she did it all for money. The insurance with the judge see that too he retired to deliberate and three hours later. We heard the judge was getting ready to come back in. I'm sure I was holding my breath. You know and just standing strays I could paying thank focused in on the judge and finally seemed like an eternity and then the judge said the magic words find you not not guilty like a heavyweight lifted off my shoulders. The judge condemned investigation is rather disturbing said it raised more questions than answers answers. The prosecutor made her opinion about Russ's guilt quite clear when she declined to reopen the investigation into Oetzi murder. I really do hope that somebody takes the case back up and opens up the investigation. Because is there still somebody out there. That is walking around that killed my wife. Oh but this thing with pam wasn't over. Oh No remember that lawsuit with Betsy Daughters over the insurance that certainly gave us a good look at Pam like this off awesome wall outburst when an opposing lawyer asked questions. WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. Whoa what was your directly. I don't know what you're talking about when the daughters lawyers tried to pin her down about her lies who else might you had lied to anybody buddy that would bug me and bug me and bug man bug me even her own attorney had to concede that point. I'm not gonNA argue about her credibility. She's not a incredible witness but that's not the issue now. Apparently that wasn't the issue. That's his daughters lost their lawsuit against Pam mm-hmm. She got to keep that's one hundred fifty thousand dollars of life insurance all of it because all the papers were in order no hard proof. Betsy wanted the girls to get the money was all smiles as she left the courthouse in walked past our camera and said. Thank Kathy say hi Kathy. Kathy happened to be our dateline producer. which is something you might want to keep in mind nine after all this was? January two thousand sixteen New Year was just beginning. Now I'm online. Where's your emergency. Eh Person In my house help coming up an alarming nine. One one call from Pan Her story of of an intruder with a note specifically said getting russes money in our startling second hour Russ Korea's brand new nightmare his he said well they take on involved when dateline continues what happens when a true crime show becomes as part of the story hold onto your seats. The thing about Pam is the chart-topping podcast series from dateline and Keith Morrison. This is a strange story strange story and the career strange stories things became personal. All episodes are available. Now we're ever you get your podcasts. Join us for the ride on the thing about path and now a stunning stunning new twist in tonight's dateline as someone tries to impersonate us day the stupid earlier in our story. Russ Faria was convicted of murdering his wife Betsy. Thanks partly to what betsy friend Pam. Hup told investigators makes comments about how much money he'll have after she's gone that conviction has been overturned but now police are about to hear from Pam again in a nine one one call in my house help. Her bizarre story Russia's money a dark new scheme about to come to light here again. Is Keith Morrison. You you would think wouldn't do that. Our story was just about over Russ. Faria was finally a free and vindicated man and remarkably markedly given all that happened accepting been just trying to assume a normal life again really well. It does disrupt the life for a long period up time thing like this well. It'll affect for the rest of your life but the way that I look as you know. The best thing I can do is to not be bitter about anything so I appreciate my time with my friends and my family just to be out by myself but over. Oh no you should know by the way there are people. We meet to try a little manipulation or lie if you will pretty standard stuff but what happened next here in the Saint Louis suburbs hard to believe it was August Sixteenth Two Thousand Sixteen o'fallon Missouri. It was midday hot muggy. I'm online. Where's your -mergency. Hey hello this in my house. Help address sure I know your wife now not getting in the car way out by the woman on the phone was pam up her and moments later the man you heard briefly in the background is dead and in short order was sitting with police trying to explain that she she had no choice that man whoever he was attacked her while she sat in her own car in our own driveway and obviously Edmund brought here to kill her har- came down really fast on cross-strait and whipped around right in front of my driveway and I looked out because it was so fast ask startling and some jumped out opened up the door and jumped in my car was like who are you gonna Car Blah and he was like bitch going to the bank and I like going to the bank with you get out of my car and he goes Bitch Kokkonen Vapor. Getting Raises Money Russes Body. That's that's when the man pulled out. The knife. She said held to her throat. Kept yelling and my thought was to get the knife away and get the heck out of the car. Ah Somehow said she was able to knock the knife out of the man's hand then she jumped out of her car ran into her house the man in hot pursuit pursuit Michelle and stuff none of it made in a sense that he did keep saying get in the car a random the federal student right there and he was pounding on the door org and wants it flew open and discussed shooting can seeing their it's hard to say you poultry cafo clear as day you can hear the gunshots on the nine one one tape as Pam kilter intruder as Pam told that story the unidentified man was lying lying dead in her house but who brought him they asked did she see who dropped her attacker off at her driveway. Most of the most distinctive fame Dr Issue Number Dark here with the buzz dark skin we it sounded a lot like Russ's Faria. Uh now that would be some twists in this bizarre saga. This whole street was kind of a zoo. Guy Was a sizeable crowd gathered yeah that outside Pam's place by the time Lieutenant Brian hooky arrived. Did you know initially as you came up here who you're dealing with initially when the call came in it was reported boarded as Pam Huff huff fs yes so originally there was no tie in know how moment you know until we got here and somebody clarify. Arafat that it was the pam up. This was well enough known that it was the PAM has we're going around doing our cameras talking all these neighbors a lot of them whispered. You know who that is right. Where did you think I knew at that point that it was going to be a media circus that was going to be a lot of scrutiny rainy on the case of high profile people wanting to know what was going on and I knew we had to do it right with them. Safely in the care of the police he'll keep took a good look at the crime scene what was inside when you got there immediately upon entering through the garage. There's a garage door that leads into the house that's worth and the gentleman was that had been shot laying right there. The man had no identification on it but there was a note in his pocket is said get get up in car. Take the bank and the net specifically said get Russia's money should be one hundred to one hundred fifty thousand take up back to house and then dispose of her make. It look like rust wife. Make sure knife is sticking out of neck gave instructions of where to take the money which which ended up being mother's house also in the man's pocket nine one hundred dollar bills at Pam hop on that steamy suburban Bourbon afternoon foiled accrued homicide plot by Ross for rea- an attempt to get back betsy insurance money and then kill Pam. Maybe he was the true villain behind the whole story but live cameras trained on Pam hubs driveway as city waited for answers and coming up investigators would start at the beginning with Pam's nine one one call now. I'm not getting in the car with you know sewn rate. It didn't smell right didn't taste right by late afternoon. It seemed all of Saint Louis was watching. We're looking to do a complete and thorough investigation of this this being the shooting Pam's claim of self defense and her accusation accusation that seemed to implicate Russ Faria so maybe he was the killer all along and soon Russ's cousin. Mary answered the phone there. He was asking for help. He asked me if I could go with him to the place department why he said well. They think I'm involved hand. I was like Oh. What do you mean if you're involved well. She's pointing the finger at me whole now. I'm starting to panic. It was different police force this done. Did they ask you some pointed questions. They gave handwriting samples. DNA Eh fingerprints Mr Hariri was very cooperative is attorney was very cooperative. In fact I think they were anxious to speak with us and he gave us a statement. We're able to establish and confirm his alibi. So Russ was not behind what happened. Who was what did happen. In my house help cyber forensics expert Larry McLean started with Thames uh-huh nine one one call just listening to it. It didn't sound right. It didn't smell rate. It didn't taste right. We listened to it over and over. It just sounded like somebody stage acting poorly. Most people don't realize that before you get picked up by dispatch your call's being recorded minutes this complete silence if there was a struggle if sure may was trying to kick the door in push the door in threaten her. We should have been able to hear all that and it's there's no sound no communication communication until the operator says nine which are emergency like action Charles County prosecuting attorney. Tim Lomar had to listen into here the panic of the tension in her voice. It sounded so scripted not just what she said but what the man said your will reduce your wife now getting in the car but you know it wasn't just the nine one one call. They encountered strange. Things at Thames was house. Remember that story. Pam told about the struggle in the car where she knocked a knife out of the man's hand. We located this knife that was almost appear to be perfectly placed between the center council in the passenger seat. What is also interesting is when you go into to her resonance suspiciously the way she stored her kitchen knives were between the counter and the oven blade down in in in the Federal Council again not flung to the side because she said she bet it out of his hand. There was laying on the floor board flunked aside it was simply stored between the seat cushion just like in the kitchen and when they dusted that night for prince the only fingerprint that was on the knife was the the man that attacked her and it was almost like it was touched like this that's where we located his fingerprint and only they're only away. They're not on the handle only on the blade and then they dug around and discovered it appeared Pam herself about that knife or one exactly like it at this dollar tree store and this was weird inside Pam's house under the dead man's body. There was an extra layer of carpet on the floor. It was almost like this piece of carpet was placed there on purpose. Where was it right outside the bedroom between the garage. Raj Door in the bedroom door and appeared that somebody might have not have wanted to get blood on their actual carpet investigators searched past bedroom to and found some cash including a one hundred dollar bill linked by serial numbers to some of the cash in the dead man's pocket as if somebody went to the back got home into one hundred dollar bills and they were all the chances of that happening in a vacuum if you will or aspirin right astronomical but the urgent question who was the Guy Pam shot to death no idea on them they sent his prints out for database as comparison fingerprints come back and they announced the name his name was Louis Garden Burger. You was thirty three years old and lived with his mother in an apartment complex thirteen miles from Pam's house. My research found some information that the suspect had been in a the automobile accident had a traumatic brain injury based on what I was reading. This person was incapable of functioning at a level to do what was being purported that he had done obviously one of the things we WANNA do is speak with the mother because we needed to make death notification and get some background and in fact another other agency was contacted by his mother and she let them know that he was missing. She also told police more about her son. Not only did and not have the mental capacity to perform a ransom kidnapping murder for hire that also physically unable to do even basic things such as running while he really was incapacitate. Yes Louis Gothenburger therefore was not a perpetrator. He was a victim correct. No Way Pam story could be true but how did these to come into contact. HOW DID LOUIS WIND UP AT PAM Hubs House. I hear that a scheme low cruel an so devious it caught US completely off off-guard coming up someone's running around impersonating us from dateline line stupid who is she and what does she want. When dateline continues murder investigation are so often achingly slow can take months years but not after the shooting shooting at Tam hopp Cyrus that was different it seemed like each and every day a newly developed this was going very quickly very quickly and very early on we received a call from Saint Charles County police that they had some very important in valuable information for us. Oh Oh yes they certainly did six days before. Lewis was shot. They got a call from this woman in her name was Carol Alford and her story just one more thing you couldn't make up so of course they brought Carolyn Jessop. It happened right outside her house she said she was with her dog and this woman pulled up an SUV and this was bizarre the day wine bouquet TV shows and stupid. The woman also claimed to be from Chicago Chicago said Carol later she added. The woman said her name was Kathy just like the producer of this very story for you. The opportunity eighteen eighty thousand dollars cash no taxes so there's no concern same. She's just aside by the way we don't pay for soundbites or interviews. We just don't Carol said she knew that and well. She is naturally skeptical optical person. She told us she was also curious so she agreed the dog in the House and as I was walking up the stairs she says by the away if you help us you can't bring your keys your Wallet Your Secrets Your Cell Phone because the producer doesn't like clutter strange but she complied got in the car. You're even though her spidey sense was tingling and then the woman started driving in a direction that just didn't seem right Natalie. That's one of the quick I probably GonNa get out. That's my tolerant. Even take me back to you know lock my door and get my shoes so they return. She hopped doubt told the women's. Sorry count me out and she's like well. If I come back in an hour where you helped me Cat lady I gotta go then. I called the dispatch line for the cops and I told them like y'all might want to check this checkout. Carol gave the police description of the woman was her. Latif her stupid smile verse Short Blond Hair and for black SUV blue shirt off. She was short chunky the look on her face she had a permanent like grand smile smirk yeah take when detective showed Carol a photo lineup. She was confident. I wonder because Luger fascinating tale in a she's cheesehead sorta way great except as you may have noticed Carol had cameras on her house at one of them got a good book at the women's license aced played hops license plate now they were getting somewhere and then they heard from this Guy Brent Charleton oaten. I was by myself that day mowing the grass when I noticed the car was stopped in front of the lot she stopped talked to me and told me that she is trying to do a reenactment for that. She worked for dateline. He said the woman offered him a thousand dollars. He refused. You got a weird five live from a reset and besides he had to work but it was pretty obvious. Pam was using our identity troll for a victim. She must have used the very same ruse to pick up the vulnerable. Lewis Gothenburger work but to prove that was going to take more than speculation. Listen so detective. McLean submitted an emergency search warrant to Google requesting a location history for Pam's phone including on the day. Lewis was killed sales. When the search warrant material came back. I'm sitting in this lab if the dark room surrounded by screens and I get the data and I pull it into Google Earth to plot and up dozens of tiny fins. That's where she went. I can see when she the house I can see everywhere. She went in as a scroll and Scroll and I stopped. There's a pin on his apartment complex. Wow there's your proof. She went to see Louis Competent Burger at his house. It was the first time we knew how they came in contact attacked. I was astounded at what I was looking at. I play devil's advocate reviewed. The material went back. Did my conversions did my math looked at the time zones. There was no mistake. I knew how long was she. There approximately three to five minutes clear evidence that times phone own was at Lewis burgers apartment meaning herself must've been there too but they had no for sure so what we did was everywhere everywhere that we could plot she had been BRIANCON teams. We just flooded the entire route for any possible camera afoot inch and if Google says she was there and there was a camera she was there was video from all but one particular bit told the detail a camera on a bakery on route from Lewis's apartment house and they had video. It's very grainy. It's tough tough to see but they're in Pam's car was Louis Gump and Burger. At least it sure looks like it to them. He has a distinct mizzou baseball ball. Cap University of Missouri Baseball Cap all the time and in a shirt that he wore and I believe you see him in the passenger seat going to his death. It's here. He's a ghost like figure in the passenger seat of vehicle before he becomes an actual ghost with all that evidence. Let's I think it's time to take her into custody. In the prosecutor was right there in our offices and he just went through it. We laid it out. He asked his questions and he said Yeah. Let's move coming up pam in custody sneaking pen off a table touching her neck. They never want anyone to die on your watch in life for would be devious. Criminals must be so burdensome of late with all those smart devices. We just can't seem to leave without it is very very difficult to get away with a cry these days especially crime this yes so the prosecutor technology is all knowing in a certain kind of way and technology is what finally busted. Pam Hop a week after Japan. Shot Lewis Gunman Burger to death. They slapped on the cuffs. Put her in their car and told her she was under arrest for murder. was she in the car. You're cold calm cool and in fact when we were explaining to her what was transpiring that you're being arrested for murder we had a mountain of evidence and you're getting away with this early statement to me was. I'm a little cold can you turn turn down the AC so cold said prosecutor Lomar she could carefully deliberately stock lie to you and then kill Louis Gump and Burger and then when I interviewed disparage the man in further service of her or story I mean it was like he was strumming. I mean I literally like his time. Was this thing I have to at some point during their approximate thirty minute interaction she had to say to herself. I got the wrong guy here. Maybe and yet you went ahead with it. She did it anyway I think. She believes she's smarter than everybody. She's always the smartest person in the room are the smartest people in the room but most frequently those are are the ones who get caught right. This is pretty cool crime story for a seventh grader. Maybe a fifth grader but to actually come up with the story three and then try to execute the story and you get to persuade people that is true. You can't very bright if that's what you do is what you did. She won't be happy. You say you probably won't Pam's plan was so feather brained. Edwin police arrived at her house and she told them the intruder demanded russes assist money and they asked if she knew a russ she said No. We know russes. How do you not know who russes but in fact the prosecutor times plot in which Lewis was the tragic collateral damage was all about Ross and the murder of his wife Betsy. I think the whole point was to point the finger back at him to show that hey I'm right after all. I had nothing to do with that it case and look how bad he wants me to go down for it bad enough to hire somebody to kill me. That's what it was all about. Prosecutor Lomar gave it a good thing assess the evidence considered the abject cruelty and announced. Pam would face the death penalty in Missouri. The death penalty is reserved for the worst of the worst. We've felt like just the degree of disregard for human life that she exhibited by luring mentally it disabled man to her home and shooting him in cold blood and then make it up a crazy story on top of it. We thought that is the worst of the worst. My office received a call close in time to the incident back in August two thousand sixteen and we were on the case almost from the very beginning Nick Williams defense attorneys. We would challenge a lot at the evidence because nothing involved with this incident. Specifically is on surveillance video. There were no witnesses to what took place on the driveway. We also know that she has a right to defend herself inside her own home especially in light of any deadly force that could be used against her. Williams made it clear the tabs attorneys would challenge every claim the state level against her including her movements. She stopped at Louis. COMPAIN brokers home was there for about four minutes went directly from Gothenburg is home to her home where this little platelet occurred on her driveway and in her home however there's no eyewitness to that car moving who is in and the car wallets moving and therefore there are no eyewitnesses to the actual incident that takes place but for a moment along the away it was not clear pan would need to defense at all it happened right after detectives arrested her and began their formal interview when she he asked for a lawyer now watch. The detectives left the room to make arrangements pans. This is fixed on the table. She spotted a pen behind your water bottle. Then quickly quietly she reached for the bottle pulled it with the pen palm. The pen tucked it into her pants then felt for the arteries in her neck. When the detectives returned she she asked go to the bathroom. It was a moment before they realized she she was stabbing herself. You never want anyone to die on your watch and especially knowing that there's a press conference in about thirty minutes. It really really didn't want to lead into the press conference with Oh and by the way pam hub killed yourself indeed indeed coming up a final chance to come clean. She's just heard the state's evidence. The judge turns to her and says asked asked these charges. How do you play dead silence. When Dateline Continues Uh up did did not manage to kill herself with the BIC pen. She sneaked from that police interview room. When she was charged with murder. It looked like she'd aimed at major blood vessels in her neck and wrist but she didn't hit any. Did she really want to kill herself. I don't think she did I think she's too much of a coward for that. I think she knew that she's now going to be primetime again and everybody's going to be paying attention to how we came to find out later that the injuries mostly superficial instead incident joined a whole catalogue log commissioner along with greed and selfishness and narcissism manipulation conniving and lethal violence dams grams trial was both highly anticipated and delayed delayed delayed and then the rumor raced around. There'd be no trial at all. The rumor was true. Bam wants facing the death. Penalty was taking a plea deal so when when you heard that there was going to be a deal in this case what did you think not unrealistic. I wasn't hoping and thinking that she was getting own up to what she did to Vesey. I was at least hoping that she would own up to what she did to Mr Comfort would she had had agreed to take what they call. An Alford plea meaning she agreed to plead guilty because the state had enough evidence to convict her but naught because she admitted do it all. It's not half-hearted victory. It leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths sure I I would love to have her her stand up there and explain in great detail what she was doing and why she did it and how she feels about it. Now prosecutor Alomar had come to believe Tam Hopp opt would never ever do that and but the extraordinary cost of death penalty trial and limited resources Lomar reason that saving money and putting Pam away for life anyway made sense and so when afternoon this past June a great eight crowd assembled so big head to move to a larger courtroom. No cameras allowed all there to watch a very different looking meantime walk into face the judge enter sins and accept her fate. Lodge got skinny haircut role long gray the best description of her. I could come up with was the old hag snow white the apple. She looks a bit like that now. She still had that grin on her face. She still had that arrogant arrogance about her. None of that changed nothing at all. They were uncertain for that very reason. Anxious would pam finally. Take the deal on offer. Would you admit to anything would say there was a mood of anticipation. Everybody knew it was coming but there was still doubt as to whether or not this was. GonNa actually happen with her pride. I didn't think she could get on that stand under oath and say she was guilty. Even the prosecutor who dropped the death penalty and made that Alford plea deal was unsure. There's a a point in the hearing where she's just heard the state's evidence. The judge turns to her and says Ma'am asked to these charges charges. How do you plead dead silence for what seemed like ten minutes to me I. I don't think it was that long. It was a few seconds a- and then finally Pam Hop said the word guilty two months later the judge gave her the mandatory Tori sentence for murder life in prison without the possibility of parole plus thirty years for armed criminal action. The same charges is that I got charged with. I always wanted her to get the same sentence that I did. Obama cleaned up by the time she was processed into state prison a look of love defiance under face as for Lincoln County in its prosecution of Russ for the murder of his wife Betsy in two thousand eighteen eighteen the judge and Russ for risk I trial and prosecutor Lee Ascii with voted out of their jobs. The man who beat the prosecutor seventy four to twenty six percent is this man Mike would this is kind of unusual for the local election of a DA certainly unusual unusual yeah and now Mike would is reopening the Betsy Faria case reinvestigating it and following the evidence be he set wherever it takes him we want to seek justice. We want answers for the family and that's my job to try to seek those the gump burger case with palms apparent aim to frame. Russ again provides him was some ammunition. If you're willing to stage killing someone in order to attempt attempt to deflect or cover up issues that we're in a neighboring county ought to lead you to believe that if you're willing to kill somebody here potentially essentially you're willing to kill somebody somewhere else to people murdered but the question is were there three coming up. Someone else connected to PAM found dead. She looked over and saw the body must be quite a shock to that housekeeper based on what you saw. Could that possibly have been an accident so many many questions about Tam Hopp. One particular big disturbing question lingers even now and it's about someone else altogether -gether pam hope. who was the last one with her? We know what she's capable of. Joe's Schwartz was talking about Pam's own mother Shirley Newman for that. We need to travel back in time to the year. Two thousand twelve here was pam talking to the lead detective building a murder case as against respiratory it they were talking about insurance and money and motive for murder and Pam told the detective that Betsy is one hundred fifty thousand dollars of life insurance was too paltry to be any kind of motive for murder her a really hate to say it when it my for it to half a million that I get when she he does I really wanted my was easier way than trying to combat. Something physically strong. I'm just saying my mom's worth worth half a million ams by their Shirley seventy-seven lived in retirement complex one county over until alouine two thousand thirteen gene almost two years after betsy was murdered. Shirley was killed in a fall from a third floor balcony. Pam had been the very last person known to have seen Shirley alive. Live the day before that's when she told the staff that her mother would not be coming down for dinner or for breakfast in the morning. They found her body the next afternoon a couple of the bent and broken spindles from her balcony rayleigh relying nearby. It was some time later when Robert Patrick of the Saint Louis Post dispatch heard about it. One of the staff members came into her apartment and notice the water was running and I think she noticed that the patio door was ajar. There are some things kind of knocked around and then some some of the railings had been dislodged that she went and looked over and then she looked over and saw the body must have been quite a shock for that housekeeper. Yes the police he's game took pictures. There was an autopsy. It was ruled an accident but three years later in two thousand sixteen we did some poking around and and this was curious that autopsy revealed that Shirley had about fourteen times the recommended dose for a woman her age of Ambien or or its equivalent in her system and that balcony railing seem pretty sturdy to us. How did she crash through it. We asked a structural Engineer Tame Justin Hall do a little Manley's Justin calculated the maximum force that do hundred plus bound Shirley could have exerted on those spindles that is if she chipped on the threshold and fell headlong full speed across her balcony and into the spindles the momentum force falling at that rate at that that Afar it would almost multiply her her weight types too so we're looking at about four hundred and twenty five pounds into the handrail head. I six the spindles broke from the balcony and we're bent so justin put together a little demo same using six slightly thinner spindles this kind of demonstrate it how strong they are so we decided to use concrete bags pretty heavy each of those ways what ninety four pints ninety four pounds many bags have concrete later the spindles else the main. I'm bent justin figured it would take at least two thousand pounds to bend breaks interesting so based on what you saw those photographs in this test. Could that possibly have been an accident. No no way no way I mean even even if she was running full speed submit. You wonder how how that could have been broken so badly. It's hard to say at this point but it wasn't. Somebody's head and shoulders go through. That's what we've proven right here. Pam has denied she had anything to do with their mother's death. The estate was divided among Pam and her siblings. She received about one hundred thousand dollars a year. After Pam's arrest for murder and with the continuing talk of her possible involvement Betsy Farinas case the Saint Louis County medical examiner change Shirley's manner of death from accidental battle to undetermined though the local police still maintain there is no evidence of crime but around Saint Louis the people do talk and Joel Schwartz certainly understands why at this point now she's been around a minimum of three people who died suspiciously league and she's been the last person with them rest. Faria lives a quiet modest life. Now still certain that PAM killed is betsy. The only reason I can think of is for money and it wasn't really a lot of money in the grand grand scheme of things but money will motivate people to do all kinds of things go door bag. That's why bet Tuesday mm-hmm I believe so pam has denied to us and others that she had anything to do with betsy is murder but then as search has said herself is makes people do crazy crazy thank. The thing about time is if anyone would know it's her. That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at nine eight central and of course I'll see you each weeknight for NBC nightly news. I'm Lester Holt for all of us at NBC News Good Night. Hey it's Chris as from MSNBC you know every day I come to the office and we make television show and every day I think to myself. There's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see Lee out every rebate. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening new episodes of why is this happening every Tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.

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Scaling Your Business thru Servant Leadership with Betsy Westfall

Tribe of Leaders

28:15 min | 2 months ago

Scaling Your Business thru Servant Leadership with Betsy Westfall

"I'm human. So I don't always show up perfectly for for my clients. But if I know that I have shown them that I'm attentive and genuinely care about them. I think that's the most important piece. Now, the words care and needs I feel like are the most important pieces of serving So. I found that. An authentic caring attitude impacts people in a profound way, and that's where I get clients for life. Welcome to Tribal Leaders PODCAST I'M SERIAL ENTREPRENEUR, and investor Emmy Kirschner. Known for sprinkling just a little bit of glitter throughout the street to Philadelphia and on stages speak while I have great entrepreneurs stop struggling as the overworked Adleman in their business and become the CEO of their multi six and seven figure businesses what has fascinated me over the years are the stories of success and failure that courageous entrepreneurs who have put it all on the line face as they change lives, disrupt industries, and become incredible leaders themselves. If you're looking for a community of engaged entrepreneurs and you'd love to get some resources tools that can help you fast track your business I invite you to join the tribe leaders facebook group. The link is in the show notes if you want to connect with us, and of course, the group is free to join. Everybody. Welcome to another episode of the triumph leaders podcast today I have one of my most favorite clients Betsy westfall she is of my legacy leader clients. We've been working together for the last year, but see is a realtor who has taken real estate and home buying and homeselling to an entirely new level, which we're going to talk about why and what that looks like. So that if you're looking to buy a house, it is now the easy peasy as transaction you will ever ever have. So with that, let me let me introduce and welcome. Thank you. Betsy for be on the show today. Thank you for having me I love hanging out and just being able to chat and talk about what we do together and what I do for my business. Yes. Oh tell everybody a little bit about. What made you want to be a realtor because I think that's probably one of the most difficult businesses to start because there are so many people who become realtors get their real estate license and. Very few in the volumes of realtors out there who actually make full-time and successful profitable business. Part of it is my history I. First Marriage was married to a guy who worked for IBM and if you know anything about IBM, it's stands for been moved. We moved around a lot with the company and even with an overseas move and all of that moving made me you know think about that process in my life I really didn't think about it. Then because we're moving with kids, there was just always a lot of moving parts. But later you know as I made a move by myself after my divorce I paid a lot more attention to what was going on and thought about those moves and I think what I realized was that people didn't he attention meaning the real estate agent didn't pay attention. To my story, what was happening in my life right then yes. Someone to buy a house and we had to sell a house to move to the next city but did I have kids that needed to be in school? I'm how was I moving? Was I going to have to have temporary housing what was involved in my head space in getting to know a new area I think only one time did I have a real estate agent ask if I needed any recommendations for Pediatrician for dentist and that was when we moved to Pennsylvania and it was so Nice to have someone who really cares about you starting your life in a new place and sometimes it's not even that you're making a move from one state to another sometimes it's the city or an area but sometimes, you just need to have someone who understands what you're going through in the moment and then help you to where you want to be and combining those two things is the key and that's what I think was missing and a lot of my moves that I made in the past. I would totally agree I mean, as you know, I've moved around a lot growing up as recording this I just moved apartments same building, but it was still there's still a lot of moving pieces right from utilities the know mail of coordinating everything with within the building like. It's a pain it is and but it's also an exciting time. So usually you're moving for positive reasons or you're moving to start fresh somewhere and that should be an adventure sometimes, it's challenging and change can be difficult I I understand. But if you can think about it in a positive way in starting something new, it's an adventure and I don't want people to miss that heart of it with all these details. So that's where I come in and try and take care of all those details. So they can enjoy that part of the process in the looking forward to you know the bigger house earn a downsize. It may be I don't want people to miss that. Now I totally agree I mean you I were working together as I moved last year and a little bit ten months ago. But I moved my older son to an apartment in the first week of August second son to college mid August Neha. End of moved to my first department here, and while I was exhausted at the end of it, it was So exciting because we were all moving out and there was this opportunity to start fresh new and just being a different place in exploring adventures they regardless of the situation there is that place in I loved that your brain up that mindset because I think that's really important and how we look at things do great. Yeah I definitely agree because I do think sometimes people dread moving and so they have this mindset that it's going to be horrible it's it's going to. Be, a mess and it's not going to be fun even though I didn't have all the time have a realtor who was trying to combine my story where I wanted to go. I. Wanted To be fun for my family and so I tried to make it that way and I want to do the same share that thought process or mindset with my clients and help them to look at it differently like don't look at this as this big upheaval and you know. That it's going to be a mess I mean, yeah there's GonNa be some mess, but it can also be fun and it can be exciting Brian. Venture. I mean ultimately just problems that need to be solved so. You can add how big of a mess you WanNa make it. She'll size. So. You referred to yourself as concierge. What does that mean for people who are listening to us and maybe they're thinking about moving I think because each time when I moved, there were a lot of overwhelming details like we were just talking about and you know you're busy you still even when you're moving, you have to continue with your job, all your responsibilities, and so let's think about it. This way just like a concierge at a hotel is there to help with all the details of your stay to enhance your experience in every way. Possible. That's their job. Well, I'm here to help. With all the details of buying and selling a home and so when you think of it that way that you go to the concierge and you say, Oh, I want to do Xyz I, want to go on a yacht I want to find a restaurant this evening for my family or I need dike burst you know where am I gonNA. Find diapers anything from the very small to the very big problem. That's what I'm here to do is to solve those problems. So then along the way there's less stress you know who to go to find out any piece of Information I have clients who are moving right now they during Kovin found out that they were expecting twins and they're in a tiny town hometown home that only has two bedrooms, and so they knew they had to move. They contacted me and we worked hard on this even during covid to get them ready to put their house on the market, it sold in twenty four hours and within a week and a half, we found another town home larger for them to move into and pregnant mom was so worried because she said, I just don't want to have this beat these babies in. This tiny home a you know I wanna be able to move and we got this. We will get this done for you and she's so excited and they're moving the end of July and there are a lot of moving parts to this. There's you know what we call rent backs because of covid people weren't able to be out looking, and so they are renting their back further short period time, and then they have to let their seller rent back for a short period of time but it all were and those are the kinds of things you have to solve those problems creatively. And is that what the differences between helping and serving that's definitely part of it. So when I started thinking about how I wanted to show up for my clients, it was an important piece for me to unravel the distinction between helping and serving. So now I still use both the words interchangeably, but it was more I wanted to define for myself how we wanted to show for my clients. So I started with the dictionary and looking at definitions there, and it's it's hard some of them are very concrete kinda definitions and I knew I needed something else. So I started writing my own definitions. What I do is laughing right. So so I feel like just in a before, he actually give the definitions helping is more straightforward. We're serving as more complex. So helping I would say is to give or provide what is necessary to accomplish a task or to satisfy a need we're serving is to put the interest of others above your own creating a carrying experience. So. From a client's perspective how their expectations are met not met or exceeded greatly influences their experience with you. So I'm always engaged attentive in generally show I care about my clients needs now I I'm human. So I don't always show up perfectly for for my clients. But if I know that I have shown them that I'm attentive and. Care about them I. think that's the most important piece. Now, the words care and needs. I. Feel like are the most important pieces of serving? So I found that. An authentic caring attitude impacts people in a profound way and vats where I get clients for life. They have that feeling of being cared for and know that I generally I'm doing everything I can in their best interests. Nothing you taking the time to? Define that so clearly for yourself and I truly believe that what separates you forever everybody else's while not only do you have this kind of done for you? Let me help you hit the ground running service, but it's it's about the communication of you know I can take care of all these things through care at meeting your needs and nobody's perfect. So you're in communication I think that's the piece. It's a really important. That's what makes you who you are. Yeah I think the communication is one of the biggest things and That, you know we hear that feedback like Our National Association is always surveying clients, and that's one of the biggest things that people complain about is they don't know what their agent is doing and I actually have a communication document that tells them how to communicate and I ask them what's the best way to communicate with you and I tell them the best way to get a hold of me quickly, and then even timeframes because communication and being carrying and there for your clients doesn't always mean twenty, four seven. Because we, as business owners have to take care of ourselves. We WanNA show up like this all the time for a clients you put your own oxygen mask on first before you can really help them and help them solve their problems. So I explained that to my clients and help them understand at the beginning that that's why these hours. I. Said You can text me anytime and I may look at it but I may not answer you right then. But if it's something really critical that you need to get a hold. Of Me. When I look at it, I'll respond to you if it's something that's critical but I do feel like sometimes we as entrepreneurs get caught up in having to be there every single moment in most people understand that you need to take care of yourself at first and have a break so that you show up for them. Yes. I think having the boundaries create client relationships I want to shift a little bit into what helped to build your business particularly the last year because I've seen a huge change and I know. Particularly during copay you're still signing new nuclides weren't allowed to go show houses person I mean essentially had your hands tied behind your back and and yet here you are still bringing on new. People you've got stuff lined up in your pipeline and you've been really busy Samsung's opened up here at Pennsylvania initially my thought would be thinking bigger. You know when you and I met we started working. Together I think I had thought big when I first started and then it kind of strong just because of daily business going on and I'd lost kind of the vision of what I wanted to create, and so I think thinking bigger and then actually moving toward that goal doing things that will move me closer and closer to that goal, and then of course, behind that is you in coaching. Thank you. You, know because I think for me, the two things were like most of us do we have self-doubt negative thoughts from previous experiences that are hindering us in holding us back from our goals or reaching our potential and we've worked on that a lot together, and that's made a huge difference for me in moving forward and then I also think even if you've dealt with those things and sometimes we still have trouble seeing the forest for the trees. So what do I do next I know I need to do this. But how do I? How do? I what are the steps that lead up to that in and then beyond that, and there's so much that we have to think about as business owners to have that sounding board of a coach to help you understand those things and and kind of build steps in nowhere to start. Is Huge it really that to me has been the biggest thing helping me in this past year. Also, what do you see your results has I would say if I am doing what I call my foundational sales activities, which is really just keeping in contact with my clients. You know making sure touching them in different ways and throughout the month ear whatever is huge heat those relationships going. So having people refer me which is what happened during covert I had people say, I, know we can't do anything right now but I have a friend I have a son I have I need to or a neighbor calls me those referrals are success for me and I I think it's also success I had a guy contact me through my company's website this week and we talked and to not meet me in person just to talk. With me on the phone here how I work doing evaluation for him for his property and for him to be great with a what I am offering him I mean to me is a success to because I'm communicating well with that person to an MS goes back to that whole, thinking about how do I wanNA show up if you don't really know how you WanNa show up and you can't communicate it, you're not gonna be able to really draw people in and serve them while I think and that you're talking about this, just posted on social media. the copy was this woman that I took she ran a Mommy Niclas. Brian's like eighty bits at twenty some odd years ago. But she said this thing to stuck with me for forever is your children will rise and fall to your expectations and. I've used that as a way of adjusting how I show up what I expect of myself and it's been really cool to see how when I do that, and I really show up confidently and not trying make everything. Perfect. But they are consistently exactly said with taking care of needs caring whether it's my kids, my clients, my friends, whoever that I'm having relationship with everybody reacts differently and I've I've shared that with clients over the years particularly as well. How do I make this change more? On my staffer, my my colleague Sankar even what will my husband dubious worried fighting about this a may get say anything they just make the change and it's really cool to see how everybody falls in line and I think that's what you were experiencing right now is that you've shown up and you've done the work consistently and your hair comes through with everything that you said I also think to what you were just saying about when we are talking about real estate in one of the things. That I love about it is that every transaction is different. You never know what is going to be thrown at you what you have to figure out. Yeah I would totally agree with that piece that you're talking about as far as showing up with confidence sometimes, you don't know what you're going to be thrown. Now, what's going to be thrown at you but to know that in the past, you've been able to solve those problems for people and you'll figure it out the next time. That's. The confidence in real estate it's the same way where every transaction is different there's always something that is new and you learn and I think that also in this past year has been a growing experience for me just to understand that that even though I haven't had that before I can figure it out and I can solve it and so then I show up like you said more confidently for my clients has it affected what you see as great characteristics is for being a leader in general. When. You're in business for yourself you have to grow you really don't have a choice. If you're going to grow a business, you have to grow personally as well and I through this process creating real estate business, and then also working with you I feel like I've grown so much learn about myself. I have to say I like myself better. And I'm kind with myself as a result and and so that's a huge part of that in part of building my real estate business and I think also you know we talked a lot at the beginning that I was the CEO of my business and I never thought of myself that way and nets taken some time to change that mindset but. What I realized finally was at the end of the day. The responsibility is mine for the success of my business. It's both scary, but it's also very empowering to realize that. That you have that capability within yourself to create that success and it's exciting. It's exciting as I said, I've loved seeing you grow and take on that role as CEO because you're really showing up as a person who's running the business and we're about to bring team members on for you etcetera, and it's going to give you just a whole new level to grow again that's the big thing none of this. New Growth to be done, right? Yeah. Just continuing to get another level of uncomfortable I'm curious to you're open to sharing. You have fourteen forty tattooed on her arm. And I remember correctly on your arm could in a different place. But what's the significance of that for you and how does that Kinda keep you focused on your in your day? I think everyone has had probably an event that happens in their life that brings. To light the importance of treasuring every day you know you might lose somebody suddenly and and it makes you really think and say, wow, you know I'm something could happen and I might not be here tomorrow and it's very sobering when that happens and that happened to me with a boss I had a number of years ago when I worked in pharmaceutical company and he had a disease that he had lost to father. And two brothers to. So it's a genetic disease and when I was working for him, he shared it with me at one point and without even thinking. My first question that came out of my mouth was how how do you live with that knowing that you could die really at any moment like you're in the Ellwood all died in their forties. Really young and he said well, I make the most of every day That's. All I can do is try to make the most of every day and it just stayed with me and he did probably six or eight years later he did pass away right before his fiftieth or thing, and it was hard. He was very well liked by a lot of people that worked for him and unfortunately within I, think it was less than six months. His son is early twenties had passed away to from the same disease. So it it's funny because when we have those things. Happen they're very sobering and you say I have to do this. I have to make the most of every day I have to have that mindset and then time goes on and life goes on and we get caught up in it, and so for me that kept happening you know I would have an event or something would remind me his name is Mike would remind me and my can I be like I have to remember that I want to I want to hold that near and dear. Talk Process. So eventually, a friend told me about fourteen forty, and so fourteen forty is it's the number of that are in a day. So one thousand, four, hundred, forty minutes are in every day what struck me about that and impacted me was when I think about twenty four hours in a day. That seems like it's forever. It seems like it's endless Auxerre plenty of time. But when I thought about one, thousand, four, hundred, forty minutes at seemed fleeting like it was very short and needed to be guarded. And saying I know isn't a to me. I don't know if it impacts anybody else that way. That's how our impacted me and my thoughts in. So I thought, wow, you know thought about it and my husband's son oldest son is a tattoo artist and so one day I just thought you know what I need. I can see it every day. So it's on my right forearm think about it in what's coal to is people ask me about what is fourteen forty. So now I get to tell the story and it helps me remember too. So that's another. Thing, yeah. It keeps my living on to. It does it does. One thing that you do to. Check in with yourself for to create. Intentional days. So you're you're staying on track or not wasting airport. Yeah. So sometimes I feel like it's different things. So for a little while it was meditation, you know kind of just to. Cause and you know this whole Kobe thing changed a lot of things for a lot of people. So just understanding what is it that I need to do to kind of reset or re look at how things are going whether it's this kind of thing or even just in your business one of the things I. realized because I lost for a little while the ability couldn't run because I had a nagging injury and I realize that that really helps me refocus to go out sometimes I think a lot about what's happening get ideas and I really missed that because I wasn't able to do that for a while at that helps me kind of refocus and kind of get centered again. This has been amazing on. We're just about out of time where can people get in touch with you reach out I would say the best way is to email I'll I'll tell you my email address and then also I mean they can text me. Those are the easiest things right now. So it's betsy at Shea Betsy Dot Com, and that is felt C., H., E. Z. bt S., Y. DOT COM. and. My phone number is four, four, three, five, four, eight, one, eight to awesome. Get those up on the show links to so the show nursery. Awesome thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story. I can hardly wait to see your continued success because you're just taking these gigantic leaps forward and a really cool. Watch us. Thank you so much for having me. It's been fun to chat and talk about these things than an and it's always good to look back and see how how you've grown in the changes you made that very encouraging to. Thank you so much for being a listener the tribe of leaders podcast I. Am so grateful for each and every episode that you tune in and listen to, and I hope that you get a ton of value that you can implement starting today and do have to a quick favor if you wouldn't mind hopping onto where is that you listen to podcasts and leave us a rating and review it would help us tremendously so that the tribe of leaders podcast to can be found more easily and help inspire other entrepreneurial leaders.

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Trailer: Introducing The Thing About Pam

The Thing About Pam

02:40 min | 1 year ago

Trailer: Introducing The Thing About Pam

"Ross Faria was charged with a crime that he swore he did not commend no. I I do not know how have you not dude. I was not involved with it. Just after Christmas Troy Missouri the two thousand eleven his beloved wife was brutally stabbed to death fifty six times. The jury was left with no alternative and in most people's words the husband did it who else would the prosecutor said. It was ray greed. We wouldn't be here if the answer was that easy in my opinion man got charged with murder and then it sorta snowball from there I'm Keith Morrison. I've been a correspondent for date nine. NBC for Twenty Five Years and in that time I've never seen a story quite like this before as we investigated the saga of murder greed read sex lies things became personal what happens when a true crime show becomes becomes part of the story we couldn't never have imagined I've worked on other cases that have twists and interns but I never worked on a case like this with so many twists and turns that were completely unpredictable from NBC. This is the thing about Pam Dan the wild and unbelievable story of the murder of Betsy Faria hold onto your seats her exact words as I advanced on the the man and fired until I heard Click Click Click. We thought we do how this story ended our wrong. We were funny and I and I guess that's a huge. It's unbelievable Russ. Faria didn't kill his wife wife. Betsy but did someone else. She knew. I'd like to see this story. Conclude with Justice Betsy free has not received justice rest free has isn't that received justice her family's not received justice and if we've learned anything in all the years we followed this story anything mm-hmm possible while I'm Keith Morrison this fall join us for the ride on the thing about pam own own new podcast from Dateline in B._C. Subscribe now and start listening September eighteenth.

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House Democrats Grill Betsy DeVos Over Denying Student Borrower Relief

NPR's Story of the Day

04:09 min | 11 months ago

House Democrats Grill Betsy DeVos Over Denying Student Borrower Relief

"The Education Secretary was on the receiving end of withering questioning today on Capitol Hill. And that is right. Betsy Devos appeared before the House Education Committee to talk about a rule known known as borrower. Defense it is meant to help students who say they were defrauded by for profit colleges but some three hundred thousand borrowers have been waiting in many cases for years for devices department to forgive their loans. Many of the Committee's Democrats like Andy. Levin of Michigan came out swinging. You go to the ends of the Earth to defend a for profit company that posts fake documents Irishman on its walls. I am not committed to protecting any institution the toossion. NPR's Corey Turner has been covering this story and joins me now. Hey Corey Ailsa so just putting aside for the moment all that rancor what is this fight really about out well in a word fraud but here's where it gets really interesting. Devos and Democrats have wildly different views. About who the victims are So let's start with the Democrats several years ago. Some big for profit college chains went belly up Carinthian colleges ITT tech and so suddenly thousands of of students were coming to the education department. Asking them to forgive their federal student loans. Basically saying look. These schools defrauded us. They lied ride to us. They guaranteed we would get jobs after college and that are credits would transfer neither of which were true In fact just yesterday. NPR published internal. Attornal Ed Department memos that showed right before Davos was sworn in as secretary career staff at the department actually agreed with these students that they had been defrauded and so today Democrats on the committee insisted these borrowers deserve to have their loans completely erased. Okay so what did Devos. I'd say about all that today. Well Devos doesn't believe that all of these claims are valid She made clear today that she thought the Obama Administration had bullied for profit colleges and she repeatedly refused to say that Carinthian had committed actual fraud instead. She said some of these students could be trying to defraud the government. She told the committee she thinks students with valid claims should be made whole but if claims are false or students did not suffer for financial harm than hardworking taxpayers including those who scraped and saved to faithfully pay their own student. Loans should not have to pay somebody else's student loans to so earlier this week devos unveiled a new plan. To basically give students partial relief instead of under the old plan. Full relief. Okay and it goes like this students end up. Earning a decent living Regardless of whether or not they were defrauded devos reasons than they shouldn't didn't get all of their loans forgiven Although it's clear that that idea plus the really problematic math that's behind it would set an incredibly high bar for hours to get any any real. Yeah you mentioned earlier. The internal education department memos that NPR published yesterday. I imagine those came up at the hearing today but came up a lot. Actually the memos were leaked to NPR. Show the department recommended again in early. Twenty seventeen borrowers were the real victims here and Devos claim not to have heard or read. Read our story or dove. Read the memos and that led to forceful pushback from many of the lawmakers including this exchange with Rep Johanna Hayes from Connecticut. I don't need to read Daas. Ember two thousand. I know what I have. I ran a story. It didn't cross your mind that maybe I should read this document. I don't need to read every document this one specifically not the thousands of others because a news outlet chose to print it. Yes yes well. Instead Devos insisted on looking forward saying she is staffing up. Tripling the number of attorneys to review these student claims though we gotta be clear that still only around sixty staffers to go case by case through nearly three hundred thousand claims that's N._p._R.'s Corey Turner. Thank you Corey thank you also.

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More Star Wars Fanfiction (w/ Betsy Sodaro)

Newcomers: Star Wars, with Lauren Lapkus & Nicole Byer

50:31 min | 6 months ago

More Star Wars Fanfiction (w/ Betsy Sodaro)

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I personally truly enjoy taking the quiz because it asked me personal questions and I like answering questions about myself because I'm pretty self absorbed Metoo I I also enjoy taking the quiz. It's very simple and fun and you. I love a quiz. Were already know all the answers about me. I agree and for fifty percents off your first order to take care of Dot Com and enter the code newcomers fifty. That's fifty percent off your first care of order. Go TO TAKE CARE DOT COM and enter the code newcomers fifty. Welcome to another episode. I'm Nicole buyer and I'm Laurin lab goes and today. We decided to do a little bit more fan fiction. Oh God I'm so excited okay. So if you're just tuning in for the first time you missed a lot but we've never seen star wars. Were watching it. For the first time we did a previous episode where we recorded our own fan fiction and We wrote our own fan fiction and it's it was crazy. It was wild. We had Madeleine Walter on. She wrote a beautiful piece that Made US look like animals and I'm so excited because our guest today is one of I think I can safely say. It's one of our favorite pieces. Thank you so much for having you guys are like two of my favorite people. Oh my Gosh Kim. Nice zoom call. I've ever been on. I'm looking at two people. I like so much I miss outside. I miss the world a little bit. Yeah Betsy. What is your connection with Star Wars? And what's like your history with the franchise so I was never really into it until seventh grade. I had a crush on a dude who was super into star wars and I remember like going home to my parents one weekend. We gotta run all three of the star wars movies and they're like why and I just. I just I wanted to watch him. 'cause it was from so out of the blue and so. I remember like watching and trying to remember like stuff from them and the whole time being like oh he's okay Boring but then just being like nope. This is awesome. My Dude like sub. So I'm just trying to get into them and that's kind of it and I've always enjoyed them but now it feels like there's too much star war stuff that I'm burr out We would agree. There's so much we've seen I think ten movies and a lot does it. Make sense will so funny last night when I was writing my fan fiction Mike was like he put on the last I to like. Get me in the mood of writing it and I got. I was like turn it off. I can't like I like a little kid. I can't turn like I even no matter how much I have found things to like. It's still like this isn't what I want to hear in the background. I will say I enjoy them when I'm travelling like flying on long flights because they're very easy to fall asleep to like on a plane. Just plug it in. And you're quite good idea. I'll just pass out during it so I highly recommend that I actually watched a clip not to get in the mood of writing but I was like I. Who are these people again? So I watched a clip to inspire the right. Yeah I did Google the characters and kind of get a couple rope refresh irs. Oh Nice I picked one character I remember and just stuck with it. I watched the iconic scene of Kylo Ren and his wide body talking to ray into play in mine a little bit. Yeah we might have a lot of crossover. Oh I have to say in our Haas Gos- segment which is where we bring up anything we've seen online. That's interesting later to star wars. Someone tagged us a picture of Take a fake family photo of Luke or no Laya Han and Kylo Ren all the actors as like thirty year olds and a child. So we'll take a family photo so when Adam driving was a kid. He's in the picture with Leia and Han as like thirty year. Old really funny looking like train them as his parents and it was funny. I still maintain that Adam driver is not their child that the casting is wildly wrong. I don't think he looks like them I think he I know interesting. Choice is he kind of looks like a stretched out Harrison Ford. Yeah you like is head has been kinda pulled up and down stretched out Harrison Ford a little bit see that but I then the wife. Whoever was the mom would need to be like taller person to make it make sense somehow? Drill also I learned this week that star. Wars does not happen in the future. It happens in the past. That was one of the wildest realizations people on twitter. I feel like upset with us on that one and going crazy in the comments on that like how do you not know or something but it was like. I'm not I'M NOT GETTING I've watched as many of these movies as anyone. I did not know that. No I thought it was the future. We're flying in space. There's technology we have today. I was like Oh definitely future. And then someone literally screen shot that beginning thing. That's like a couch far far away in time long ago and I was like it broke my brain I crying. When will I ever anything? What's happening in these movies? Never I mean we. We've been talking about them in depth and we never got to the point. The fact that there in about I might. I don't know and that is like the first thing you see is like where. And when it takes place fire away and long ago. Yeah I think what happens? Is I see that. But then I'm a gear up and start reading. 'cause that crawls starting and I I gotTa make sure I get all those words that don't ever make sense. Yeah I read them out loud. I'm still like what wo- absolutely it's kind like out the WHO's fighting what 'cause then that's not even part of the movie you really see. You're just like Oh kind of what what's happening. Yeah it's very confusing. Yeah it's almost as if like you go to a restaurant and before you get your meal you get a tour of the kitchen making another tables meal and they describe in-depth and then you don't get to eat because it's for a different table. Yeah yeah they're like we make all types of fish and beautiful arrays here at this restaurant. Here's a hamburger. I don't follow very confusing. Should we read? Yes before we do that. I want to ask Betsy. Have you ever read fan fiction or written by us and I haven't read and this is the first fan fiction I've written? It was very fun. I haven't read any though this'll be my first time. I have a feeling it gets pretty horny right like that's a lot of fan. Fiction is just like on then like what if C. Three Po Faulk at Sixty Nine R? Two D. two and they both shot a bunch of fucking bolts or whatever shot our experience with the first episode. We came into this both Nicole night. Thinking is a hundred percent only sexual and then madeline wrote this beautiful piece about like life everything I was like. Oh man could also be good learned that there is like sexy horny fan fiction. There's fan fiction where you put yourself in the universe and then walk but I don't remember there are other versions but there's I think there's also like the youthful version or like the character young. Oh and then you can like cross universes outlay star Trek and star wars together. Have Captain Picard. Go down on Hans. Although Buckingham and I'd read that that's like Roger Rabbit version where it's like character different universes like hanging out. That would be such a cool movie to watch. And it's kind of like west side story where they like hate each other but then yeah like Han Solo and the one dude you said. Fall in love okay. We made it okay. Let's let's read a little bit of fan fiction that was found on the Internet. Okay and just a heads up. This episode is not safe for work. Even if you're working at home this is not a listen to it on speaker while your child walks around type of episode. It's going to be very explicit and we're going to say some offensive language. Okay so just strap in and get excited. This is called if it weren't for the Falcon by a Lo- love forty four summary. Kylo Ren is left distraught over Ray. Leaving on the Falcon well. He turned to the light just to get her back. Okay Oh shit the night Kylo Ren tossed and turned in his sleep after hours of trying to get rest. He finally sat up in bed and pleased his head in his hands. He replayed what happened the night before and his mind over and over again but still puzzled. Ray had wanted to take his hand. She was gonNA take his hand. Had It not been for the Millennium Falcon showing rate would be at his side right now? You shook his head and tried to subdue. The anger felt that ship. She join me so close to adding Harvey bought himself brushing his hair out of his face. He swung his legs out of the bed. Flinching slightly his bare feet. Contact the cold floor below. I was about to stand up when he heard a soft side behind him. He froze gripping the edge of the bed tightly turning slowly. He looked over his shoulder. His heart began to raise his. He saw race sleeping in his bed. He didn't fucking notice in the bit of. She looks so peaceful and Kylo tried to shake off to see. He was seeing her only because he hadn't gotten any sleep but he couldn't help but be comforted by her presence. He always was Ray was the only person in the whole galaxy. Who saw him for who he for who we was without trying to wake her. Kylo reached out with the forced to see into her mind. You hadn't tried this somebody just waker out. It's a good. It's just use the force. Yeah I guess and then you're like I have all the answers. I never need to speak to anyone again. He hadn't tried this in a long time because she was able to resist him which always amazed him reaching into her mind. He closed his eyes to help himself focus only on her. A small smile started to pull it kilos lips as he saw himself inside raise bots she was thinking of him. He was thrilled at this discovery and carefully pushed further into her thoughts not wanting to wake her kyle himself a wrapped up in her embrace and she was running her fingers through his hair. It was so tender so sweet. Kyla what his smile grow across his face and closed his eyes leading. Raise thoughts flood through him. He always felt so calm but with her. This was more than he can handle for the first time in a long time he was at peace. Kylo never want this feeling to end. Everything just felt right in that moment. Unfortunately this feeling didn't last long. Kyla was pushed out of her mind. Came face to face with Ray. They sat on his bed staring at each other their faces just centimeters apart. No words were spoken. Race stared at Kylo not in fear or anger. But wonder they've been this close before but not like this. Kylo had arisen every urge to pull ray close and kiss are with everything. He has his love for her was unlike anything he felt for anyone and he so desperately wanted to share it with her and to find out that ray also thought that about him. He was too much for him. This long. Okay Ray continued gazing at Kylo in slowly reached a hand towards face. She let out of breath. She didn't really. She was holding in as she watched him nuzzle his cheek into her hand. He closed his eyes and places large hand over hers. Sighing out of context. Ray had never seen this man so peaceful before and realized why the man sitting before her was Ben Selo Her ben that she had been trying to reach for so long. A smile spread across her face. She whispered her smile mirrored his face. Ray Lean powered impressed his lips against him his softly for just a moment. She started to pull back slowly but was stopped when she felt his lips against hers singing into their kiss. Ray felt his hand cupper cheek and she signed into the kiss. They both pulled back and looked at each other. Ray smiled and watched as a big grin spread across bends space but before they could lean into kiss each other again their connection abruptly ended when Ben was left alone on his bed his hand slid down from where it was resting on race cheek and it clenched into this. If only we had more time he thought to Himself. You would have to wait until the fourth connected them again in order to tell her how much she meant to him. In the meantime you'd have to keep running things for the first order as to not arouse suspicion from General Pride General Hooks or even the emperor himself then quickly dressed himself in walked out of his quarters leaving his mass behind. He would no longer be needing it. That was that was nice. It was so sweet. It was very sweet who okay. I did see the last movie that happen. Aren't they related or no? No yeah okay. There's element that exists between them And yes I can't fully. I mean she okay. Here's I guess. This is a good test for us to try to explain that. And I don't know if I can. But she was like she found out that she had Jedi powers choose Djeddai yet but she didn't know and so that's the connection that they have is just that she's this other person who could be a force that could take him down essentially or work with him. I was shocked that true that right I feel good. Yeah I think so. And for whatever reason Rae was like drawn to Hans so she haunts is GonNa take her tiling or even luke hunts because Luke remember when Kylo kills Hans. She's like no because before in Honda's like I liked you kid or whatever she was drawn to family okay as it and it made you believe that maybe they were brother and sister but then you find out later that her parents don't matter or something. Yeah okay died right like she aguado. Yeah right yes yeah okay. Well you know still confused okay. So that one was very sweet but the thing is I was wishing for more sex in any do me do you love does blue bald man. You're GONNA go horny. Go full horny out. Does anyone Wanna read. There's or should I read or how do you WanNa do it? Lauren yeah you requires yes okay. This one is called a cozy bed to rest fanrag okay. We glide over a vast peach colored land as we reach the end of the beach. We see that it is not a beach. At all. We were just super zoomed. In on Kylo rennes naked chest. Raise snuggles up in his deep muskie armpits that was great no seriously she murmurs. Yeah was here applies out of breath. In fact I think I could go around one. What do you mean round one? We just had sex three times says well. I count in a really weird way. Some people even say it's evil eye before then go to five and six and then I go one. Two three seven eight nine does that make sense rig rumbles flirt only. That's actually super confusing. But whatever island. Green lightsaber radiates beneath the dusty brown sheets and gets ready to rock and roll just then. Bb eight roles in need like a dog book off. Kylo Barks Kylo Ray STREAKS JESUS BE COOL. Hey BB eight. What do you need she laughs? He just wants a snack Kylo. We'll give him one of those. Shitty QUARTER PORTIONS. Ray gently slides. Bb eight a black Cuban food. Gleeful he zips out of the room race heads up. Hey look man. I don't know if this is working. My Dick Kylo asks just give it a second. The droid can affect the window to my sales. No Not Dick I mean us. I'm actually really strong. Really Cool and Flon Djeddai. I deserve better than you're rude. Ass ATTITUDE KYLO turns his face get serious but there's a light behind his eyes. He rolls over and grabs Ray. She disappears under his expansive chat chest. I love when you call it. What an asshole. I am his nipples stiffen. They make passionate love their screams growing louder and louder until they're suddenly interrupted by a knock at the door kylo pauses mid thrust. Come in. That's what that's what she said. Ray giggle whispers. The door is usually is open. And General Hawks played by Donald gleason strides in mind defy in. Kylo and ray turn and look at him. His face Redden's oops wrong room. He closes the door and breezy exasperated. Sigh that was hot. He thinks a second longer. I mean awkward. He means hot. He walks one down. Knocks come in a gleeful. Voice shouts from the other side of the door. General hugs opens to see a shirtless Luke skywalker on all fours in front of one of those fucked up dinosaurs. He has slurping and sucking at the team back in general to join him. Jeez you couldn't wait for me. Your hawks exclaims as he takes off his weird long jacket and he's already. I just got so excited. Luke garbled through a mouthful of Greenish Blue Mil- cash sludge general hooks gets on his knees and pathetically crawls over to the scene of the crime. Lynn there he says familiarly Luke wipes his mouth and put his arm around. I'm so glad we can do this together. And he means it to suck the life out of the Beach Dragon and put their arms around each other satisfied with another job. Well done emergency to spastic. C. Three PEOs bust in shouting and sync with one. Another one is a shimmering. Metallic Green and one is a less exotic metallic but both have the same callous. Unblinking golden is yes. They're both name C. Three Po but they should really be named to bff because they are best friends. Luke and General Huq's are caught off guard. They scramble to put their shirts back on. Houck's also grabs a random hat. But I was in the room already and fast and sit atop his lifeless red hair a what. What are you guys need? What's the emergency? Hook spits well. Just tell US Luke begs. The emergency is the Blue C. Three. Po looks around his mouth lights up and he winks meaninglessly at the redhead. It's not sexy enough in here. As if I'm hugh the blue guy gets down on his knees and the Green Guy sits on a futuristic but from the past stool the blue one starts blowing a metal mound of the green one formally glance each other and share a smile. Luke yells you'll be be a BB eight desperately Russia's in black hero pines. Everyone laughs. Go knock on the next door over. Bba dutifully rushes out and within Seconds Kylo Ren and raise stumble into the room messy grasping each other clothes and hair skew with the emergency race has an APAC watch and learn. Luke says authority. He and hooked start to touch each other with deep passion as the C. Three PEOs. Keep robotically at it. Kylo ray catch on very quickly. They start to kiss and lose their balance falling onto the busy metallic men as a group seeking greater comfort. Luke skywalker general hooks though after this escapade. He insisted everyone call him. General Cox Ray Kylo Ren Green CPO and the Less Exotic Bluetooth repeal lay on the warm bed that is dinosaurs enveloping unbelieving body. They have sex for hours and hours and fall asleep. A LONGTIME AFTER. Ray Wakes up with a start. Is this dinosaur thing dead? We was that what we slept on. No Guy Seriously. Everyone up kind of fucked up. Are These teeth repeals related? What's happening all the men? Continue to smile through this panicked. Monologue drifting along in their dreams. No wait guys seriously guys wake up. I feel sick. Bb eight laughs. Then in a sudden panic grows out of the room. A nineteen seventies. Wipe Erases. The scene has emerged from an icy cave. They growl and grab each other's asses but that's a story for another day the beginning again. Oh Man Lauren. Our stories are very similar. That's so funny very very similar. Oh my dad was in credible Lauren. It was aimed so bank very fun. I saw everything highland ren counting. Really got me okay. It's evil I can't eat my God those very fun to right. It's funny how it flows out of view. You you know yeah. It really is easy to deserve it. Oh Shit I can't happen next. Yeah yeah it was like. I can't write anything I need to write. But when it comes to star wars fan fiction like Nah I go. I have all these ideas for scripts on like this one just flew right out me useless. It was so funny though daily. You had a ball betsy. Do you want to read the next one from that? We got online owes sure this one is called star. Wars the deceived by Dr This. Em The win rushed harshly. Speeders fairly large ships hovered through the brightly colored city of chorus. Get the emperor and his apprentice gazed amongst the crime ridden streets and backed up traffic lanes. They had done it after years of exile. This ruled the galaxy. Everything is as I've foreseen it. My friend the Jed eye are no more. In the CITH. All-powerful he cackled lightly. Shortly after vader still recovering from the dual on mustaf far months earlier complimented the achievements of his master. Everything you have foreseen is as you have willed it to be my master. The emperor shrugged off the compliment. Knowing that vader still contained hate for him but would not unleash it. This is merely the beginning of our great rain soon. All will bend to the will of the empire shortly after the Hall of phone on the desk began. Bb City is breast button and a voice began to speak Lord City as you as a guest who is anxious to visit you. City is baffled at the statement agreed to the visit shortly after the main doors. Open in two stormtroopers escort at a tall specimen inside upon further. Viewing Citius spoke to himself. It can't be how happy Mrs so happy to see you. Jar Jar Street moyens. The room had gone completely silent except for the troopers who could barely maintain their bearing. Vader also surprised was probably chuckling away under his mask as well jar jar. What do you think you're doing here? City said sternly me coming to congratulate empire? He said with excitement. Pasaden- was slightly amused by the fact. That jar jar was still gullible as ever but nonetheless he revealed himself. Yes the Great Empire that you helped create manipulating you to give me. Emergency powers was merely a simple task after this statement was made by cities. The mood in the room changed almost as if the dark side of the force had engulfed. The Room. Completely me said no manipulate me. Jar Jar said was sadness while looking down button. Mesa has a question hideous offering some mercy before deciding to execute are agreed to answer. And what might that be? My M Fabius friend jar then looked up at help attack dean but something was different. His eyes were fixed and displayed anger and hatred. What are you doing in Mesa Chair? The ones we have to move. Cities was pulled out of his seat towards beings jar jar without hesitation stabbed the Lord in the abdomen wins with a bright red sabre and let him toppled to the floor. The two troopers reacted quickly and fired their blasters at the gung and he deflected the ball to with ease and then use the force to push the troops against the wall into each other causing them to go unconscious. Vader was lost. Everything happened so quickly. And so many emotions flash through his mind he was angry and somewhat mournful but relief conquered his feelings. The most jar jar known as Darth Amphibia towered over Citius corpse and remove the black cloak from his person thinks. You WON'T BE NEEDING THIS. He threw on the oversized and walk towards the chair. He I'd Vader in the process. Who still stood there frozen jar. Vader said confused. I don't understand this new emperor now and I am you. Use New master stared out of the window of his hands behind his back. Vader moved behind him and reap first. Saber bad move jar. Jar stated as he lifted his hand and began to strip Lord. Vader of oxygen think. Wait music overreacting us. Have lots of anger very good but use a still weak jar? Says he dropped vader? Poppy was merely upon indiscipline plan. Me's would teach you as ways of the true dark side of the force with no some mere mortal can handle vader's still confused kneeled before his new and before the new emperor. Yes my master. He said with delay and confusion. Jar Jar turns his head slightly and with a crooked. Smile SAYS GOOD. Use A has a lot to learn lanny only gye. I loved you so funny. Being that was amazing I love that jar. You know got his own in the end he he's now evil he's the new Lord because Jarver deserves that respect right very true. I WANNA know Nicole. If Jar Jar plays a role in your fan fiction but should. I be surprised. Well here's the thing I wrote fantastic stories and one has jar jar and one does not. Are you going to read them? Both or is one just for your personal no. I'm GonNa read them. Both one is very short. Okay we need a quick break and we will be right back with Nicole's fan fiction so called a tale of three bucks. My second story is called a tale of one fuck. He opened on thin and po drinking a beer laughing. They're in a fun. Cantina of sorts that also features some. Burt lasts dancer. Even though Poe inventor surrounded by women the only have eyes for each other leaving into loudly whisper things to one another. They have to loudly whisper because music is playing in stock. Okay I was for a six headed Magenta woman eighteen titties comes over to their table and ask if they WANNA laugh Dan. Both boys politely declined life to. I'm using star. Wars is okay. We wiped to love Kylo Ren in his weird dark bedroom with no bed but like lots of weird lights and maybe some gym equipment in the background. Liu Fit for an aspiring evil man. Kylo is shirtless and wearing some cute patent leather pants. As to his hero Ole Darcy. Kylo looks at the old melted helmet and says out loud daddy darth. Do you like my patent leather pants. I wore them for you. The melted helmet makes his mom. It doesn't talk back because Darth is dead and daddy darth. I'm just so again. The helmet makes a weird noise so Kylo squats hard and closes his eyes and scrunches up his face and now he's making a weird noise. We've see ray walking around in the dark muttering to herself. She's like left the fuck and so forth and I won't Luke Stop Drinking. Met Nasty Green Milk from the teat of that thing in the background. Lucas Tutton the last drop of that green milk and he's begging for more rain stops in her tracks because she hears a faint sound and she says out loud. Kylo Kyle is back in his bedroom. Happy that the use of the forced to get some pussy worked. He's log like Yeah Ray. It's me Kylo raise like Jadu I know it's you hear your voice. Colored is like okay. I'm GonNa like send you my hand. Can you see my hand? So Kylo has extended his hand to hurt the of the force and it appears on the planet that she's on Ray gasps and runs behind a tree to hide behind luke or to hide from Luke who's guzzling green milk. Ray Whispers. I can see your hand. Kyla deeply inhales in his torso grows even wider than the wide with it already is wipe to How infants who are enjoying into each other's eyes more than the dances around imposes defend. WanNa get out of here. Finn nods and fatty they rush out of the CANTINA and race around the corner. Po Brushes Finn Fins hand and Finn Giggles and pushes into an imaginary strand of hair behind his ear. Post stops in his tracks and spins around and kisses bin. Vinh giggles again and they make out two full deep kisses white back to Kylo. Is He's very swollen swollen into swollen very wide. He looks like Kanye West and video. You remember where you were that big shirt. If you don't remember that Kylo looks like a piece of paper with a head and legs attached Kyle Ray shirt off with his hand through the force. But he's having trouble because she's not like criss cross fabric in the front so finally -rageous pulls it off innocent their full titi down and Lucas still sucking down that green mouth. Kyle are you ready for the darth? Dick Races is foreplay. Done Tyler. Yeah apparently we're in the past so I don't care about you okay. Fine and then through the forest his big wide Dick Split Slides right through and into ray and she around like Jesse Span showgirls at the same time. Po Looks Defense is and says. Are you ready for some Yummy Yum? Dick Fin giggles postman spin around seven times? By the seventh time. Thins pants are gone. Knock OFF. They're just not there and he giggles and says. Wow you pilot those right off of me post says yeah I guess that makes sense and then they fuck up against the wall and it's hot and they both come quick but it's okay because they're so horny for each other so back to kyle in resonate finish Kyla says. Did you come raises? Yeah it was great. Oh my God you didn't come on your leg evil and stuff and I did come but then I was just like your evil. I don't know about this. I shouldn't have done this. Like wow fuck this. And he shuts off the force connection raise unbothered and walks home. Kyla leaves his bedroom in. General had sustaining right outside the door. And Kyle pulls him in and then they've Buck Lucas still chugging greed milk so that lie ahead we had so much crossover. It's amazing much. It's Kinda while here's the second one. Okay I Nicole buyer IM- lying in my bed. I hear a Russell in my room. I opened my eyes and jar jar. Binks is there hope for anyone. Says anything is huge Orangey Red Dick inside one of my holes. Which one readers choice? I cannot believe how much crossover we had in. That was the end of that. Work beauty as sexual. Choose your own adventure with you and George are being. That's a really good. Maybe I will put it on. Only fans page head stripping videos your strip dances with All Star Wars underwear and stuff on the discussing last night. It'd be a very niche. I dripped poll dancing. Why Strip dance? I don't think anyone's ever called it though. Skip Dead You keep going to Europe. Dad's I don't know about that. Mine is entitled Encino. Wookey okay after all this stuff. That happened in Star Wars. Chewbacca or Chu is. He liked to be called decided to go on an awesome ski vacation on that one. Snowy Planet. I don't notice God that's right. They have a really rat. They have really read mountains on it. And it's the planet where Han Solo slept in. We know that one. So Chu is having a damn blast. He's getting fresh tracks. Every day. Eating and drinking the best shit and of course scoring with all the hottest Babes he had a threesome in a hot tub with whatever jar jar being says an adroit whose only program to Suck Dick well after the threesome. The snow began to fall as chewy made his way back to his hotel. Suddenly the wind picked up. The snow is blowing chew. He has no idea where he is. He's trudging through snow. And that's really fucking high because Julius Tall Shit is out in one of his Roy's then suddenly in avalanche happened and this avalanche is bad it shakes the whole damn planet and chew. He gets trapped in a big ice block which breaks off and go shooting off into space suddenly chew he sees light the first time in what feels like a lifetime he feels cold with the fuck. He he barks. Oh yeah what the fuck yards? Just just then a huge cracks sound and he goes crashing to the floor. He struggles to stand up and get his bearings straight. Finally he's looking around. He's in a place that reminds him of a garage where you store a spaceship but he only sees a spaceship with wheels on it and the letters B. O. L. Veto are. He says out loud. Hey someone shout chewy worlds around and knocks over. What looks like space boxes? He stops and looks to see an adolescent human looking at him. This teenager looked like a Weiner like a loser like no one likes him too. He thought my name is Dave. You're in southern. California in Sinoe to be exact. The area nine thousand nine hundred ninety two. I A senior in high school and I'm not very popular so I started to dig a pool in my backyard with the hopes of becoming super popular and dating the one girl. I'm into and while I was digging into my pool I found you frozen in a lump of ice and then I thought you out and year my new ticket to popularity. Come on we're late for school. Before we could growl a response. He was in that space ship with wheels and pulling into Encino. Hi You're GonNa help me become the coolest kid in the entire world you see. Everyone hates me because I stink like shit and I like to call him bomb threats to the school. Jewish didn't understand. He just got a vibe that this kid's up they make your way into the high school and everyone is already loving chewy. He's made friends with every type of kid. The nerds plane magic. The people singing choir the art. Weirdos the drama kids the and of course the bane. He looks like a tall for coat and that turns me on says. One Babe totally sexy. I bet he would rip me apart going down on me. But why is he hanging out with that door? Says another babe who cares less. Just give him a hand job and it's his dick fits his size. We're going to need all four of our hand. Tell I don't get it. David cried in the lunchroom is chew in the rest of the school of dawn. You've already been cast as the lead in Greece you're the QB for the football team and football isn't even happening right now. You got nominated for Prom. King Ed you hooked up with all the babies and we've only been in school for like three hours. Why don't people like me as much? Is it because when I laughed too hard I puke and Shit my appear to the same time or is it because I push old people downstairs for fun. What is it? David started freaking out. All the students were scared of him because they are a member in fifth grade when he freaked out and bit the ear off the principal. So they start to back away just as Jewish steps forward. Everyone has stopped what they're doing and watch the gentle giant they all love. Approach the stupid idiot. They all hate says jewelry in a calming tone. Then he slowly embraces. David David is crying. Like a little baby and chewy continues to hold him in his arms. All of all the students are watching an aw then to snaps David's back and raises his limp dead body above his head and gives a classic to Bacha Roar. The students go nuts. The Teachers Pop Champagne. David parents who were there for some reason set off fireworks and celebrate Choo Choo Choo Wee. They all chant to Bacha Throws David Body out the window Julie. Two Week to week and there stands chewy surrounded by all the Babes and students and adult. He hasn't found a new home a new life in a new galaxy. Far Far Away the oh I loved it. That was a movie that was beautiful. That was thank so much. We thank you David. Frum Encino man is that pauly shore's character or the other one the other sean acid. Yes yes yeah. Yeah yeah forgot the two that was in that movie. Yeah well that was amazing. I loved that very one thing I really love about. All of our stories is that we just would go like and then he's there for some reason we just like I don't know why he's there. Whatever he's there don't worry there. There who gives a shit doesn't matter. It was fun though I was like it got to the point where I was just like. Oh Fuck I could write a ten page story just hitting all of the beats encino man but with Chewbacca. Yeah I think. It's a testament to the franchise that those characters are very easy to dislike work with plug into another situation. Yup It's fun. Oh yeah well. I think we're coming to the close of our showed today that see. Is there anything you would like to plug while you're here? Oh sure yeah I. Monarch cartoon on Fox called Duncanville. It starts up again this Sunday or I don't know in this air but it's on Sundays after the simpsons. Check it out. Yeah it's unbelievable. It's a dream come true. I can't believe you're on your character. Looks like you wouldn't go Q. Looks exactly like when I went to the first table? Read Out Shit. I was like wearing a two-tone hoodie. And everything and I was like Whoa. It's really insane. It's so fun I feel like being on a show with likes Simpson's right before it is dream come true and then your character looks like you. So it's like everyone who knows you know that's like yeah in animation like someone could easily go. I don't know if she did that. I didn't realize that was her like no. That's bad there's no your hair it's yeah. It's like SPA it really it. Such a dream come true. 'cause like growing up I was. The Simpsons is my favorite show and jazz. Yeah I could have never imagined getting beyond the night as the simpsons and then exactly like. Whoa a cartoon of me Brady Act. Yeah amazing on that show. It's like so many unbelievable. Amy Poehler Tiber. Al Rashida Jones Man. It it's surreal. It's so crazy. Well everyone should watch that and you have. You have your podcast. You can add some pie. Gas On one is on head. Gum called a funny feeling where me and MARCI JAR row. We talked to friends about scary paranormal experiences. They've had and we read and listen to a lot of Listeners stories and it's really fun and then Manoa gap in and I. We have a patriotic called. We love trash where we talk about all the trash. We love it. Just do whatever we want. You did is one of my favorite movies. Acrimony money is maybe the funniest movie I've ever seen okay. I need to watch that Lauren. Warm I got. You actually do want to read okay. That's good idea do. It's an don't watch it before. Like I want to hear you being big again. Nobody allegheny oiler someone driving a jeep knocks over whole trailer while the person's in the trailer in any real reactions it's a thing that has yeah giving away wildest stuff that happens in the movie that's permanent. Aw that that not at. It is so great. They shot it in eight days. You could tell it's awesome. That's hilarious. Lauren what would you like to promote? I would like to promote my patriot. Fan Patriot dot com slash lauren laptops and. I've been uploading a lot since we've been an are quarantine time. So there's a lot of stuff going on there Improv. And I'm doing a lot of watch along with my husband. Mike where we put on random movies and Stephanie can sink us up with the movie. We did some for Star Wars. If you're curious about that could check that out and I'm recurring on good girls. Which is airing on Sundays on. Nbc and That's that was a fun job. Some real excited about it and I have a movie. Coming out on Netflix may thirteenth called the wrong missy. And I'm very I can't wait to see an account way. It's wild. Yeah what about you Nicole? What do you want to plug? Oh boy I have so many podcasts. 'cause I can't leave home. There's why won't you date me Best friends was this year's Mehta there's ninety day which is I'm Patriot with Marcy. Jarrah where we watched ninety eight beyond say and talk about those insane people with Manoa campion where we just talk about. Rupaul drag race also nailed it. Season four is currently streaming on Netflix. Six it's so good I was watching it so I was watching it last night. It's so fucking funny so funny that Dude Larry. I love that Dude Larry. I don't know if you remember but I will remember Larry for forever and they cut out I like. I don't watch myself often but I was like. I gotTa Watch that episode because I loved Larry and they cut out a how long I went on about his swath cake because it was funny. I never see. Oh that guy. Yes in a big smile and then his. I couldn't stop laughing if believable. So let's I'm going to read a five star review so if a five hour you will read it. Oh Yeah Five Star Wars segment okay. So this is the perfect companion. Podcast by Meghan Meghan Burke with schools closed. I've been upset. I've been watching the whole time I got. I can't read anymore with school. Was We've been watching the whole Canon with our five year old daughter who's obsessed even though. She made me years of therapy after. She overheard Nicole say. Kyla should've said his dictator but forest giving it five stars. I yeah no one. Who is a child listening to this? that's hilarious. Yeah so if you guys are fans of the show you WANNA leave us a five star review. You could leave a comment that pitches some star wars fan fiqh pairing. You would like to see or tell us how star wars that affected your life and you can write anything in there and we'll read it out loud so Please do that and thank you to Meghan Burke who left that one for us and thank you to Betsy Sadahro for joining us today. It was such a blast. You're the best. Thank you so much. I miss you guys you guys personally last night. I was like thinking about doing this. Podcast and I was imagining going to head gum and then I was like oh no I don't go outside. Leave me never stay in here now. We're here til til march fifth or no no marches till may fifteen. But that's just for everyone out there. I think so too especially I mean. We don't have to ask but with states just doing whatever the fuck they want. It's it's so confusing. What have we don't have to talk about it. We don't need to talk about. We'll just let it go. Let it go okay. Well thanks betsy. You're the best and we'll see you. Thanks everyone a. That was a hit gum podcast.

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Trailer: Introducing The Thing About Pam

13 Alibis

02:40 min | 1 year ago

Trailer: Introducing The Thing About Pam

"Ross Faria was charged with a crime that he swore he did not commend no. I I do not know how have you not dude. I was not involved with it. Just after Christmas Troy Missouri the two thousand eleven his beloved wife was brutally stabbed to death fifty six times. The jury was left with no alternative and in most people's words the husband did it who else would the prosecutor said. It was ray greed. We wouldn't be here if the answer was that easy in my opinion man got charged with murder and then it sorta snowball from there I'm Keith Morrison. I've been a correspondent for date nine. NBC for Twenty Five Years and in that time I've never seen a story quite like this before as we investigated the saga of murder greed read sex lies things became personal what happens when a true crime show becomes becomes part of the story we couldn't never have imagined I've worked on other cases that have twists and interns but I've never worked on a case like this with so many twists and turns that were completely unpredictable from NBC. This is the thing about Pam Dan the wild and unbelievable story of the murder of Betsy Faria hold onto your seats her exact words as I advanced on the the man and fired until I heard Click Click Click. We thought we do how this story ended our wrong. We were funny and and I guess that's a huge. It's unbelievable rush. Faria didn't kill his wife wife. Betsy but did someone else. She knew. I'd like to see this story. Conclude with Justice Betsy free has not received justice rest free has isn't that received justice her family's not received justice and if we've learned anything in all the years we followed this story anything mm-hmm possible while I'm Keith Morrison this fall join us for the ride on the thing about pam own own new podcast from Dateline in B._C. Subscribe now and start listening September eighteenth.

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Betsy Ross, We're Waiting

DV Radio

1:46:33 hr | 1 year ago

Betsy Ross, We're Waiting

"Can you see that link that I sent you in zoom. Chat Ricco identify clicked on it soon enough to get to it. I'm trying to find it like how he goes. I did if I clicked on it soon enough up but it just been faster so what she said. I'll think she's ever said that. This is my microphone is done is correct yes now. He said No. I'm after he needed I did but you answered me. That's the best part like yeah it's it's a hello. Yes we can hear you having fun with recoil. Sorry we like to have fun. We know that's not allowed during the show now don't fucking have a good time. We have a good time now than when the show starts remember her by be quiet please you remember the views and opinions expressed by this show or any other show TV radio and it's strictly those individuals do not those staff nor the Steph dispersion they thought he it and they the on the go on your mobile device. This is talk. It's Devi Radio Google broke the toilet broke. My Dusk Google is planning on taking over the world you can get Brussels sprouts some chocolate cake top fifteen dollars is a little steep for bags. It should be like four hundred ninety nine. I'm pretty easy to please. Let him one touch it. As much as I want to. Shore wages there this is how it is on the radio. Yeah you listen to the podcast. They're young man oh you're tuned into W DVR on DB radio DOT net or by searching Devi Radio on the free live three six five APP on your mobile device device because this is how it is on DVD radio that is what is right here on W. DDR Didi Radio Dot net this is said ten or twenty first two thousand nineteen. I'm world. We've got recoil in like. DV Six decided to hitch Outta here before you know we got things started marquee show up Google didn't show up frosty is supposedly quote unquote working so you gotta deal with US three until we're you're like the bucket but anyway. How's everyone doing this Saturday night? We're here. We're alive. I guess that's half the battle. Yeah recoil sounded like he was getting smothered by pillar there for a second for all right well DB six apparently got back into the show. Yeah something happened. I thought it was on your end then and I realized I think it might be mad that show. How much did I miss well? We literally just started the show. That's awesome so it's your turn. Oh how's everybody doing all the fun in our pre show we have a great time and everybody's happy and stuff it. SORTA like you know prematurely that thing you do once a year sex yeah so that's what's happened once a year because I haven't had that in one year for the last ten years I'd say DNA to him but I'm not into that God damn what is up with your computer tonight. Is it fucking up again to go in high. You're going low you're in between. I don't know what's up with this. They really don't really wanted to stay on tonight but it's it's spinning wheels here. that little circle thing that means something sloughed yeah and it screwing everything up well. L. Didn't stay awake all day to just leave out any I'm on how bad is it. It's okay right now. Okay all right well anyhow back at the farm I want to thank everybody who supported DB me farm in dvd and me and the bird on this trip was great to see chappy out in Colorado Springs. All the fans ends on my God bio so many people come up to would not just at the event but on the road out there in Colorado Springs while I was getting gas sure at home depot a lot of people that recognize me come up and said I mainly most of them said they weren't sure but the bird give it away that that was the consensus Nice Yeah a lot of people asked about you. Chappie did and his wife and and then the fan hand and for the page which I know it's not me but there were a lot of people in the event it was non-stop paraded people coming on over to our booth to say how much the page meant to them. are that saved their lives. I heard that common theme and alike yeah I just post the means that would be recall in and you know the other moderators. That's great it was it was it was nice. Oh shot in the arm. It was good to hear and it was great to see people and all the support it did socked. My health is still in the toilet I. I think it started when I started on the road. I mean I wasn't that active. At Your House. Either was able God he must be doing something well anyhow so just wanted to let you guys know that at the end of the month on exactly the end of the month guide you guys loaded so much stuff in the champ trying to find this brochure on Saturday September twenty eighth from two to eight PM Liam Oh well this won't work. There's a fundraiser. I don't know where I got all the information except words at I know it's a Massachusetts man. It's a concert concert. There's like six bands and food and vendors and stuff like that so I will get back to you on where this is ABC. Ah That's great so Saturdays. It says it's at the boathouse. I don't know where the boathouse is at looks like it says into nine four Tinson borough road draw cut drake's drake it okay drake at mass us all right so if you're in the if you're in drake kit is near north shore. I don't know it's it's hard to reach listeners. I'm pretty sure but he's not dracula yeah. I'd snare lull okay so if you're in eastern mass area main southern Maine Hampshire Vermont on this guy is put on on Chris Murphy's done a similar event like this in the past and he's done an outstanding job so voice so oh big shout out to did disgruntled vets thank you to Subzero mission dot org all based out of a up painesville Ohio there right outside of Cincinnati. You guys were hostelry was nice. Thank you for your your all the information on what you do this group of our veterans out there they got this bus and they got people on the ground and they're trying to get homeless in off the street but mainly during the winter when it gets really cold out there in Ohio they're out. They're passing out coach boots. They showed me their warehouse showrooms with these kick ass winter boots and all that subzero mission dot org check them out. We're looking to do a collaborative effort this year this winter the help each other so I may a be taken right out there who else a shout out to the wet spot bar wet spot liquor. You know I've I've been thinking about this and you guys can help me on his boat. You're probably too young but recall year here right. Yeah you remember the the movie The bad news bears from the seventies or favorite loses a kid well it got me thinking the DV farm and my resident. We're like the bad news bad news bears of programs. We've got the the wet spot liquor bar Dr that spots we remember there were Chico's bail bonds. You're talking about the one with Walter Matthau right I know was it yeah. That was the original yeah the original the the the new one had billy up Thornton it. It's awesome what's his name Patrick Deodato awesome guy who had his own battles with demons demons and all that when he got out and he got blown up over in Iraq he was a marine and up so I actually taught talking to him on the phone on the the ID fucked up so bad that has voices different. I didn't know what his voice was but I'm only talked to this guy on the phone so when I got out there to North Dakota I was expecting to meet this fifty sixty year old man and it's not it's like thirty year old guy who talks like he's sixty. I was like holy. Fuck Donald a lot so yeah so what else anything else you want to know anything that you haven't told us all. I didn't tell you guys got. There was an the accident with a camper on the way back. I've added several yeah there was we we had the tire issue and thank you to Kelly out oh coming out and help me fix that and then on the way back Naiad structural problems with the trailer to Camper I got rare handed over the back wall is fucked up. I don't know I might be able to get one more trip out at night. It's just GonNa just fall apart so I've really start saving. It reminded again another one what else to do it was great to come back in the two residents the Junos ones. We're still here great on another guy graduate while I was gone until we do have beds. We got the college kids coming again. I don't know if I told you that they're coming from rutgers university this winter just good. I'm just I know I haven't been posting a lot on the page and all that and it's like what the fuck for. I'm just going to get band so I've just been doing live. Videos does but hey I am anybody. Come back from fifty one with any aliens they also need five people shirt up of was that all it was Twaddell was there he made an article about got it on. DVR thoughts dot com nice so I do want to say if anybody who's listening is one of my patriots orders just so you know you guys helped fund road trip to where fund paid for all that gas and auto stuff like that mainly. That's related made out of camper. I think I went to one one hour a shoutout to rape whistle I that's DB We rape whistle. He's the one that's donated a gift cards. The homeless fats here and a lump sum donation but he's a great guy. I went out visit him in Minnesota and he bought me lunch. He said I bought him lunch when he was ear so couldn't argue with that so so me and the bird went to restaurants while we're while well technically three but it was released. It's not really restaurants barbecue place so speaking about area fifty one some porn stars traded the outside area apparently mid bridget who got arrested for trying to kill her boyfriend and biting his deck off well that was in use and now yeah that did happen she uh the midget powers or whatever name is he decided to trying to grow up a little bit my wheel still spending but I guess I'm doing fine so that's it what else I mean you guys. Were all talking. That's all I got I mean I can't do. I do too much more on my own without other people verbalize themselves. Oh we were talking personal stuff. I like the one with the the infection yeah that that was nice. I of redoing the radio website. That's it's not publicized or anything just a screen shot but I am redoing that completely make it a little bit easier for everybody mobile users as well except for the chat you still have to turn your cell phone on her tablet sideways e landscape so you can see the majority of chat. There's no way around that yeah got a new show. That's going to be joining us in the next coming weeks. He's going to be all WANNA see next week. September a timber twenty eight will have him all talk about who he is and all that and then um where you're talk radio we're moving forward with working with them and cross promote and collaborate and then doing some shows together so movin Nice so lot going on Yep Yep and I think I told you that shooters express out of Charlotte. North Carolina has now a sponsor of Duty Radio so oh I I don't. I don't know what they were smoking that day but if it was some gun barrels they need to smoke a few more of them. They don't WANNA lose them. Oh Shit Oh man. Oh gotta gotta you need breed. They hold on hold on breathe. One of our buddies is leaving his job. just just posted it so I just want to share that with the radio crew Oh man so like God what else is going on wait. Is that real you fucking real. It's a real post. I mean I know the post Israel but is this real. Is this going to happen to six more times this year before we go into two thousand twenty or this is the only thing that came to mind baby baby. They leave a job. That was never really a job it goodwin recoil learner right for my mom's basement. I'm GonNa tell you leave in my job the hill oh we we will be having Mike Gordon. Do you guys remember him the author that wrote as with Hal Moore Yeah. We're going to have him on on. I believe October fifth the talk about his book. That's coming out. Tom Cat theory I'm really excited to read that book. It's about what is it that fourteen so that should be really fucking interested. I can't wait to have him on. I was working to get Betsy Ross on I told you betsy I would read that book and you would come on you said after I read that book awaiting love you girl Nah. She's a she's really busy so hopefully as soon as she is able to work barracks talking to her schedule should be on to talk about the fight original thirteen stores fled snow. This is the author folks I don't think back to many people have realized that the author's name the same spelling and all that that you just mentioned recoil but yeah If you if none of your familiar with it go to Amazon and go look up the fight series about Betsy Ross she's got her first two out that she's working on the third and fourth when as we speak she will be releasing the first two and self publishing them herself because it's it's a nightmare. You're an author of musician artist or anything to go through any company. It really is especially on a low budget so if you've been tried to get it I get it now. That's that's got to say about that. It's a really good series. I think you've read it to you right point. Yes I did actually downloaded it to buy my kindle APP read on my phone so made it easier to retake with the IT wherever you needed to go and it's definitely a interesting eye opening. I'm serious yeah I don't want to say too much about it right now until we get betsy all on but if you want a harsh reality to PTSD depression and all all of that that's the series to read if if you easily get triggered or emotional with anything like that take your time I'm sure can testify to the fact that it's a really ease it really easy to read book. I think it's around one hundred pages. All of them are and I think I told you guys you weeks ago. You can read it one word one sentence one page one chapter at a time. It's that simple -Tory and it's not these Harvard Grad fucking essays either. It's it's how we talk. It's how anybody in normal society. He talks as to the way it's written so if you WANNA check that out in your interested again that's fight. All Bet by Betsy Ross us. You can get it at Amazon. I think she has a few other places just a user search engine and search it up yoga over there six sounded sounded like you were trying to push one out. Maybe did the answer crickets in that in the podcast these cheeseburger in no. I wasn't Berkshire one out so you're fishing one in now. Ask kind of that's right everyone. You're listening to talk your own Devi radio where we're the professional unprofessional and we push things in not out damn. I just want to let everybody know There's a new place called what pods it's dot com. If you go over there and you sign up you can leave reviews on your favorite podcast Devi Radio Sandwich. security sucks podcast is is get moved over there. The up in arms podcast is getting up there. Go over there followed DB radio. Let people know what you think of every episode and we we get highlighted over in the main portion. If we get enough hits and all of that just leave your honest review don't lie to you know satisfied D. V. 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He sucks up in arms when they get those two there and yeah there's still a few hiccups with website as it is still a new website so don't get frustrated a we've been talking to Tom on the back end about some hiccups that I notice myself and they're working as fast as they can't to get everything you know in plays in in prepped for deter update so good check that out yes towed meteorologist sandwich is on there already already get you on the on the radio profile while security sucks up arms art yet. They're working on moving those over there but pretty much the majority of every podcast it's out there is on there again yeah. That's what pods dot com no man yeah yeah we got. We got about five minutes before we get a break. ANYBODY WANNA say your duty before we get a break. I just WanNa say fuck you you. Will you know what eat a Dick. That's kind of racist. I just WanNa say I even though she's a little younger than me. I love candidates owns can okay my book chills all right. It's he's not a porn star either not star either the you know if she ever made it to higher up in politics sheet up probably hasn't shit come in how look at one Candice Owens Don Nineteen sixty-five man then then then you had tricky. I swear I deleted those. Stay the buck in Hill Omay wholemeal guy. Hey you know what today is. The September twenty first yes it is eighty years to the day that the first Batman Comic came out the big nerd. Yes listen Loma Batman Batman one of the closest superheroes. I do just because he hasn't been go ahead. What makes dot Mancusi hesitant superpowers exactly just has a Shitload of money right he he's trump at twenty one? Yeah I love that man just because of the same reason recoils. There's a lot of people head who's not or you'll stick superhero. He can't shoot from US fucking head. So do you see what he can do with this car. They do you said you guys. It's all year poison ivy. Oh Shit yeah well. I may have done a little tribute for Batman and eighty years that you'll hear in the break I did if you didn't catch frag out drag out production a little original TV radio production. It's okay it's okay. It's okay I'll shut shut up. DVD's identical done a little original DVD radio production with frosty nevermore breakout drag out. If you missed it last is not yet here. I break so we'll go to break. We'll come back. We'll talk about that little production and we'll go from there. You're listening into back stock right here on. WBZ Radio Dot net radio you I see without seeing too dark mrs clearest daily but they might batmans making watering view to brace yourselves for big news crime stalking our our city by night and day is on the increase our undermanned police forces helpless cope with us. They haven't I live over the faithful Robin wages ages unending war against all their mission accomplished. These glamorous figures banishes has suddenly as they appear. What do they go strange? Place can conceal their identities in the suburbs of Gotham said he is the home of Bruce Wayne known as neighbors as a wealthy playboy. Only the Faithful Alfred knows the closely guarded secret of what lies is beneath the house the but kate fame headquarters of both relentless crusader for law and order atop one of the hills which during the teeming metropolis of Gotham today a large house rears bulk again talk sky outwardly nothing to distinguish this how many other lot what the governor base went to the house in a Chamber Hewn from the living rock of the mountain in the strange dimly lighted mysteriously secret that came headquarters of America's number one crime by clad in the somber costume which is terror to the heart of many swaggering denizen of they the word subtypes very very dark grey fit for even now at hunger and apply new assault against the forces of cry onrushing in Washington D Value Belaid of his young to fifty assistant robin the boy they represent American knew who love their flakes and are glad to white fallen wherever crime rate is it talked they had despite with venom of a rattlesnake that man and Robin strike also and and our when they act just spreading that evil over the world there were six foot back in Gotham city. I have given a name to the night of my life is really they do. I am underneath the what I do. Defines this not man Batman and Robin Not that may not man on the Batman in what do we folks simply giving even within our own land. Batman and Robin stand ready to them to the debt in a radio. We make ask Brag drag your it. Does I saw you welcome walk. Welcome back love boy welcome back the DVR the the the DVR Welcome welcome back them out. Welcome back then I'll oh love. DVR Devi pre the lead that fucking plenty you know ooh all have died great in our love one one one one one one one one one one one of these days the radio talk radio red. You're listening kilby. DDR ON RADIO DOT net five veterans four veterans playmate fee you throw it is simply made per year. We're back to barracks talk right here on Wpro. De Radio Dot net Rousey should be joining us here shortly whenever he says the wrong there we go easier. Well Good Morning that how how working go she got stuck there. After ten in only planned on being there for eight sounds like fun driving around in circles all day long Tom so I let everybody listen to your little debut again. In which one I'm just an old guy. So what do I know. Are you talking about the breakout drag out one the first one yet the frag out drag out okay the one where I fucked that up uh-huh yes when he comes about through this Mike Frosty. I met you right. No in person not in person sank voice sounds familiar. I don't know why I well. Let's pretend pretended to pre show I was getting ready to talk to contend yeah shut up again coming up next Wednesday seventeen hundred five. PM Eastern Studio Three Ninety five will be packed as they honorable able discharge start the cast subscribe all peanut butter Whiskey Derek Seder Cohen Damian pruitt Td Cunningham and of course Rod Ripley Light Light up the board talking about cutting. I set at the Hollywood comedy store jokes. They're not allowed to say slutty. Duty Stations unwanted houseguests guests kit you don't need on deployments and they even debate an Internet video where a cop runs away from a naked man yeah a a cop ran away from naked man anyway it's hot episode pick it apart and the new chapell special why they live in California losing their tempers with the audience and what's the the best way to inject a patron from comedy club and the show ends with a brief history of quote unquote gay chicken going joy honorable discharge charge this Wednesday at seventeen hundred five pm Eastern Standard Time again with Rod Ripley his Co host td cutting and their guests Derek Cohen and Damian Amy and Pruitt. Hopefully you guys got listen to this last week's if not it is on podcast right now obey bank so anyway so and yes that was moonshine bandits snapping. Oh fuck having to mirror gotta move to feel like I'm getting older some so I look at sales reports just like everybody else that sayings and I was told that battlegrounds coffee hasn't moved in a while other than in what way has been buying from patron so I have to tell you guys that are listening head already you bore coffee dot Com and get battlegrounds coffee a portion of that goes right back to DB radio only the battlegrounds coffee plants. That's the only one that supports TV radio but it is from your coffee. Dot Com are wonderful brothers down in Gel go go grab some can if you can't go go beg someone to send send you some and after you taste it and get your first bag you can leave a review and get ten percent off of your next order and is it. Is it fifteen if you leaders. 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I mean really there's no whether we explain it because you have to actually try and you'll see at somebody was going to say something after that. I was waiting for somebody to say to Jesus Christ church but yeah that's battlegrounds coffee but DD radio a portion portion of it comes back to Di Rita that's Uber Call Dot Com and yes. We're still getting ready to work on the Sunday morning morning. Coffee Show brought to you by who you Laura Coffee Roasters Oh shit it so now that we're in the second part of the show house. Everybody's week frosty since you want it to work late tonight wanted to start us is out an Asshole Devi fix that it not me but it's the truth eh pretty weak working in the rain. You don't WanNa give any details or anything. Count The puck on. We gotTa Goddamn got them to our show. I'm trying to fucking time. Mother fuckers okay fine. I'll wait wait. Wait wait. You guys would suck in an Improv abroad class. I'm just going to tell you that right now. You've listened to our show. Haven't you guys do more on Frag drag out than you ever imagined possible on here. It's very little in dead air but we have never more. Oh Oh I if that's the way it's going to be. I'll just kick your ass. I down I mean it was pretty much a mm-hmm exciting week strip off the airfield so they can move some place around it raining so playing out in the rain all week. So how much longer do you you have to do that another week and then we go back over to the dark side. Why does the dark mark side frosty? God yeah well if you if you've been listening you know where where we go pee on airplanes well if you've been listening I'm trying to fill a fucking to our got. Their showed people wanted to pre show. We got the PUCK and pre show. Dare we go yeah and it's like. Can I go back over to get a side of the airfield where you get to airplanes from the middle of the night so that that's probably right now Gigi every time I hear that Word Frost I think frosty the snowman. I think a Wendy's 'cause you know chocolate frosties good. So how was your week. I fucking sorry. I was about to say you better get near that fucking microphone. Everybody was bitching earlier because you remove in sorry sorry. I'm GONNA have to bring it down so you can fix it. I didn't know you were headed home. I find out yesterday through a video after the fact that you're in Massachusetts. It was like Oh good deflecting. No Yeah wasn't supposed to get back until yesterday by I you know how it is. This is the first one where like halfway into it. I mean it's great. I I love meeting everybody everybody but I was miserable. I was in pain and it's allow work at you know on the road eleven out of fucking camper generator that I bought was held up and did the right thing. Power was good by between the bird man Edberg getting at each other she is that fucking bar got her picture taken six seven times a day a day easy easy. It's like she's famous. No it's good to be back. I got out today did we whack and burning and basically trying to assess you know everything that needs to go on and basically we need money had the board meetings the staff meetings and meeting with the resident they're doing good. I said that what else I don't know. I'm kind of out of it now 'cause it's. It's nine forty nine well. I'm going to that that means D six is GonNa wait. I can't have that earlier because if I had an earlier than people at night will start fucking a bitch in that we don't have a show at fucking night. We strive rum. No I did not I said if you if you wanted to do something before the show we could record our you said. Listen listen almost a year almost a year ago. I said if you didn't want GonNa be on the show at night we record you during the day and we would play you during the show you said okay. Let's do that every time I asked you to do do that. You said I don't have time so I stopped asking you. I never said we would you earlier. Okay and went to the big. You know what I gotta go to bed. I WANNA get up there before. Google gets home. Now I get most of the bed or she's not home tonight. She's with her kids. I was going to go but there was just too much to do you air. I haven't seen our kids. I haven't seen the kids in two months since it can't be true but that you know what I when I say see the kids that means I yeah I get to go to Kelly's roast beef probably seen the kid you just get to go to college. Because you get to go to Kelly yes ripper amps Griffey Damn Scrapie and then tomorrow guy go get everybody's guns you know and I gotta think up some facts that aren't real facts to fit a narrative the so and then I can run for the presidency. Hell Yeah you're taking away. Everyone's guns hail. Yeah discuss it. I actually I should go now before I screw this up anymore. Four and I'M GONNA go pinch one off. Okay Hassle. You are asshole Kazakh. You Suck it was great. Kelly's your week was to bed. We did a lot of writing around except for was Friday Thursday Thursday. I was playing in the mud yeah scene and we had a dig on the other side of the flight line. Water walgreens main broke so we're down there you know wait for the plumbers to command fix everything up down and old fix me. NFL back in of course it has been raining up your last week so all that the Nice mud that we had we hold that off but some the deal are some crap than whole basically just rocks so we didn't have to ride ride around in the mud so but yeah it's pretty fun the normal day-to-day mowing of the grass shit so it was a it was a good week though at least you had thought exciting and muddy wake up good recoil you still with us brother. I'M GONNA say no since he still beat it anyway. We have so much to do with Devi radio. It's not even funny between the shows that we've got the need to go into production and and everything else to say Oh oh my God has so much not enough people so you want to join. DD radio because you know this is more than just pastime email us at only get Davey radio dot net and let us know why you want to be on DVD seriously. Let us know why you want to be on TV aradio. He's got a show. 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I am begging you only sponsorship and small businesses and organizations that's the ones that need to assumed input Devi radio dot net. I will lose my ever live in mind. If I have an influx a little bit I probably we should awaited until after the break shit happens you know it does it does so and it makes them so earlier in a DVD radio chat we were talking about Batman. 'cause we're cool like that and I was going to ask you here in the second part but snafu jumped the gun on me. Who Do you guys thank played the best physical and voice of of Batman throughout the years? Oh Jeez you know it's kind of a toss up. I mean obviously I think Falcon were did a good the job. I have a feeling that aren't trying to suck up to me he did that. He's probably one of the better ones I mean better than what the fuck was Michael Keaton. Wherever the fuck his Sunday was played at one year I liked Michael? Keaton was okay. He was okay. I'm not gonNA say he was the worst no it definitely not the worst but I think bowel did a better job than the Michelson. But what about you frosty I I said I said I was GONNA say Michael Keaton but you Kinda shot that one down quick definitely not though this is opinion man why when you're cleaning he just didn't do it seep former C. What a lot of people don't understand about the one with George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell? Oh is that was supposed to be a comic. Look at it like from the comic book in that generation. It's like the suicide squad. A lot of people lost their ever limit is about the joker motherfucker. Nobody ever said that joker was going to be the main piece you stuck on that because you see the guy down trailers about it. They promoted him for three minutes a movie well. He had three minutes of airtime so they didn't lie so yeah as far as physical actors is like I'd said in Chat Lewis Wilson was the first one he he was the first one that actually portrayed the physical illness and and a voice for Batman there was one before him. I can't think of his name done it in the silent New Year but Louis Wilson Lewis G Wilson. I should say I'm one of those at the original was the best because it sets the tone for those after that. It's like Cesar Romero for joker that you hear the laugh that everybody does Nowadays Minus Heath Ledger. Everybody does their own version of Cesar Romero Cesar Romero marrow done joker Justice Agata say definitely but after Lewis Wilson. It's it's gotta be Val Kilmer for me fucking Val kilmer all the way not because is I love the man or I would turn gay for him but it's you know Val kilmer done really good in what was it ninety five. I believe it was pretty fucking years yeah he doesn't really good especially long Sida but was it Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones as to face ridler responded. I didn't like that one. Why Jim Carey Yeah exactly I loved Love Junkie Care for Jim Carey and if you watch the end of a liar liar when Jim Carey is on the stretcher in look in the background Fire Marshal Bills in the background in its Jim Carey portraying him? It's fucking hilarious you the US Lewis Wilson said he set the tone for all Batman after that I said Batman I made plural IAGO. fucker sells asset it was a toss up in chat between Val kilmer and Christian Bale. Christian Bale is from a different universe of Batman the Dark Knight Series So do you WanNa go down that avenue at and say all of them together then it would be a tossup between val and Christian bill but anyway I digress. Do you guys know any of the voice actors not while the one that you've probably heard most frequently used probably Kevin Conroy and forget fucking reason he he's the one that gives that that raspy. I bet you know like that's the one that's done. The video games in the majority of the the against should say in cartoons. Hey somebody wants before before but it's got to be but the drag out there frosty. We want else us. What's coming up next on our next one? Where's the notes Don crayons the next one when we discuss like bad paper vets receiving Camila Harris wanting all that's bad pack came exactly want she wants all bad paper vets to be able to receive? Va Gay benefits we just throw toss sat around a little bit and there's a lot of incoherent rambling by the host throughout this episode also wonder why sorry is at the episode. That's coming up that I've got edit that. I hadn't edited yet. Yes each episode five episode five take action sorry I had That sounds like it'll be interested. If you guys missed Friday's forgot drag out the next episode will be up on Podcast Gabar. Take Monday Tuesday according to what I feel like it you know I it should be no later than Tuesday alongside outside of a barracks talk and Marquees dirty thirty not necessarily in that order. I know people lose their ever lived minds when I don't do it in order but you know what I don't give a fuck fucking goes up in St Order. I'll put them out in so there's that up in arms is coming back. You guys got to give us some time. They've been recording. They done a few replacements for hosts and they're trying to get back in the groove. Things just like when Lincoln frosty joined the team. They had to get the things they they're like this. Oh Hey hey guess sorry. I didn't know I was GONNA radio. Show yeah as seen is Daddy Eddie Mack. Oh boy is ready will put them right back here DB radio they'll take their spot as usual on Thursday nights at twenty hundred eight. 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We had to take a typing class before we could actually take computers sure my high school so yeah. I used them a little bit but by that time computers were just about everywhere I have a original. It's beautiful Phil Desk from nineteen. I'm forty two. I want to say and it was actually used in the field. It's still intact I think the ridden is the only thing that has been replaced but it's beautiful it works all the keys are there. It doesn't stick. I got really cheap not going to say how much because that was was a few years ago. People would be like you're made out of money but I'm really not. I'm fucking broke as joke. You can ask oink and everybody else knows me. fucking vote like a Mall Fuck family things happen user but not complain on one damn bit about that but but yeah I'll have to take pictures of these days a beautiful beautiful field feel the old typewriter not desk. It might have the desk. I think this typewriter though I'd like to get a feel desk for the typewriter of the same time Oh me that'd be cool yeah. Would it really would thought about you know I can't sit here in my room but what are these years lifetimes out of the family and built my own house thought about setting up a field desk with typewriter on top of it and making it look like it's been in use not actually use it because I thought that would be really really neat. I'm one of those stellar people anyway. That's Bo rambling for our foamy the morning coffee show hasn't started yet because I have to work around. Everybody's recording schedule. Everybody's records. I got one person that can do it. Maybe once a month of got a couple that can only do it after a certain time during the week I'm tried to maneuver and replace in takeover and it's not as easy as people think it is to to record a show via the Internet. It's hard enough in person but it's even harder when everybody's across the country with all our personal laws. We all have jobs Most of us have jobs outside of this. families personal lives whatever it's hard to schedule everybody really yes. Oh I got to work around that and some of you are probably like. Won't you record separately Kandahar to do a three man show when you're recording separately just sayin yeah frig out drag interesting trying to schedule some weeks never know when somebody's be working late or have an appointment for something and destroys your whole plan off schedule it does doesn't it four hour time. Difference doesn't help no no it. Doesn't I had a few years ago. I don't know any of the listeners remember we gotta the Director Producer of the burn pits documentary come on he lives in the Netherlands. I want to say and we had to schedule during a tie that was good for him and it was so hard because because it was either us up late or up late and I didn't want to have it either way but we had to settle on that so there's that yes and yes we're still we're still working on getting Barrage Fuck you frost was still trying to work on getting getting these snappy music our it is going to cost a quite a bit to get started so please bear with us. We're trying our God damnedest. We promise you can ask Frosty and wink retraining or God damn we're trying to figure out a way to make this happen Vegas. Ask and they ask me and then I lose my mind because I'm like money block but yeah yeah yeah so at the end of the day what is free for you cost us shit tunnel money. That's why we have patriotic and we have the donate button but no we are. We are seriously tried to work on that. We WanNA bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. It might take longer than we wanted it to 'cause. We wanted to have it up and running before you know we got shut down but that didn't happen so not shutdown. I license get shutdown. Sorry sorry got knocked back to swear zero flock yeah talk about recovery of the fucking century ever forget that that night those were a crazy view what forty eight hours or forty eight something like that fuck out on the blended together at one point I was about was about to say you don't even know wait. You're the main one I called in so Minnie favours at Friday night. I don't think anybody realizes how many people I called in here so I think that's officially got drug into this. talk radio really hey frosty. Get your ass over here. MOTHERFUCKER YOU WANNA working to put your westall work. Bitch you my bitch now crack at whip anyway like I said Warrior Talk Radio Indeed Radio. We'll be working together. We're working on getting the website back up and running after that is done. We're GONNA start. I transitioning some shows to hear a syndicate transition. Some guy shows over there for them to syndicate then just a you know we're going to collaborate laboratory and make some shows together a couple of them live here in North Carolina. There'll be traveling up to my house every little bit and we'll be recording in my studio. and I might one of these days. Make it out to their STU you. We don't know yet working that the details on that but they're they're really great. check out on facebook warrior talk radio yeah. They're really great. I don't think you guys don't have you know I don't think so no not that I can think of yeah they were around a couple years ago and they they had to take hiatus but they're back now and talk to the founder and owner and CEO and we were like well. Let's do they Kashmira Shah so we gonna hit it hard tight. I just said hardened. We didn't say moist. No I didn't say moist so that's good got that got that so if you want to know what's happening this Tuesday on media litter sandwich at what time nine thousand nine hundred seven. PM That's right fuck he actually got it right or he was reading the fucking itinerary either way this week tune in tackles one of his most requested topics reasons why he thought going to conventions organized by quote unquote woke people he talks about his own experience being discriminated against and open bathroom policies that help drug stockers at conventions again that's meteorologist at nineteen hundred seven. PM Eastern Standard Time this coming Tuesday and you'll hear that in the next break of course don't forget that we do have security sex podcast every Monday night at seventeen hundred seventeen hundred wet eastern by fume. Oh McConnell coming yes hundred five. PM The eastern Standard Time we do have security sucks podcast this week. He's talking to Rod Ripley. They talk a little bit about his military military career but mostly asleep his comedy and pod casting. Yes Rod Ripley our Ron Ripley is on the security sucks podcasts. That's this Monday in in a couple days at Monday seventeen hundred pm eastern standard time frosty right here on DV radio dot net w DVR The sun well. Nobody has anything to say after I get through talking ever ever get notice that it's such a hot in here. Can you guys hear muscles band. Can you guys hear myself Dan. Now Oh okay here. It's humming. It's not like church because it's actually glued to the van or to the ceiling basically ceiling it anyway it is Tom's it's like like that because it's really high high as in the fucking can speed you assholes laughing at Tobin's comment. I was talking about the listeners when they hear the high art. Somebody's GonNa be a smart as what did. He talked about all seventeen on her cat yeah yeah what was that Sir her at prostate no idea Sir Geoffrey disrespect your elders now boy the you know winters around the around the corner together it is about six six to eight weeks termination up on the mountains. Well I gotTa tell you I hate watching the news even for the weather so you know what I do. What do you do? What do you do though I don't know what Gator Bowl I go to my android device? Go to the Google play store and downloaded the what the forecast out from our sponsor nightcap production. Do you know why I downloaded that weather up. Why did you download that out because it gives me a hilarious? Take on the weather lights. Go Fuck yourselves. Property tonight is grand seriously falsely. What what are you guys? had to say about what the forecast a great app and it's always good good for the entertainment value of seeing what Asura your current whether situation is as in right now it's overcast and mild shut your fucking pie hole and grab a raincoat just in case I was getting ready to say let's I'll read what our what the forecast says right now to to the to the listeners go ahead. It's refreshing ago. Oh good did super fucking cloudy outside mine it sixty nine degrees and mostly cloudy and it says tonight would be better at the clouds with slack off. I'll refresh it and see one more thing that it says is not that one's lame. This was a good one. I just refreshed too so I know you can't see it but one of the clouds we'll call it. Dave Dave's a fucking cock warm. This one says every cloud has a silver lining that one that one hopes you stub your flicking though again. That's what the forecast. Wt forecast from your android in Iowa s stores go grab it right now. 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We really want to know what you guys stink so we can change things for you to make better or worse whichever apparently apparently the couple thousand that listened to frag out drag out one and two actually liked it. I don't know how true that is. Nobody tells anything again you can go to what pods or you can actually put it on pause beans commenting thing we can't read. I tunes comments. Let's we can't it's literally impossible. They have a quote unquote Beta testing area for statistics and all it sucks as much as it sounds announced. It does not work it. Don't work it. Doesn't that's all it mows about Apple Joe in another place. You could leave comments on the FRAGO. drag-out show is our facebook page as which is greg out. Oh my God you got a facebook page. That's called out. Oh God we just had to be trying to follow the the popular trend in that way. The right gotta look for clicks likes just like everybody else. Marquis did have a dirty thirty at twenty hundred eight. 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I don't know spent one of those weeks yeah. It's been one of those weeks. It's always one of those weeks. You guys calm down here a couple of weeks. That's what she said now. Are you guys going to be working a on weekends. When you guys Shis or ill the great come on? I mean you know the listeners are probably wondering that's why the listeners are probably like like are you guys GonNa be on the show when you guys switched Hsieh's slack out of that where more planning planning to do nothing but plan and not get nothing done so working through the dod is basically working for the military and the civilian sector stood at the same stupid ass rules but a little more uniform little more wild. I don't feel like shaven. I don't shave sorry people message me tonight and have to answer them or I will get yelled at GonNa go serve anyway. We have a A nerdy show. That's going to go into production very soon. In one of your very own listeners is going to be joining me. That's all I'm gonNA stay about that. Don't you dare put it in chat or I'll beat your ass can't afford to do with that distance. You know but frost frosting outweigh frosty annoyed with me last week when we talk so so anyway we need to go to break. We'll come back gas well to Google Dot. That's in the news with these two shits. we got some news from SNAFU. We can't do the Mitch Porn thing because DB six when that Shit asshole God damnit. He's always ruined Sutton evening anyway. You're listening to bear stock. Okay DB RADIO DOT network back red after these messages from our were partner the next episode of Media Litter Sandwich but every every single question was something like that and it was it was bad because I had to interrupt private conversations. No other talked about parties adult parties fash had no business being taught by any kind of professional man. 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I'll really want to kill somebody somebody right now burst off first off the amount of sugar that is in chocolate chocolate milk is nowhere compared to what it is and say I don't know a snickers bar and they bitch and complain Marquette won't drink white route. 'CAUSE IT tastes bad. Well give them some fucking chocolate milk. You Dumb Shit. It's not going to kill them. If that's the only way you can get them. Drink fucking walking milk. Let them have their chocolate milk as long as they're not set and they're going after junk food shit twenty four seven your kid. What's one or two things chocolate milk day seriously come? The fuck on people anyway like fruit juices. Amount of sugar is in a fruit juice use or even the one of those little stupid ass. What is it the pouches as Capri Sun Things Yami come on? There's gotta be twice. It's not three times mature and one of those in there is chocolate chocolate milk for crying out loud before people start spurting off. It's made real free Jeez yet by percent. That's about it. I know up here. They tried doing that banned the chocolate milk strawberry milk and all the flavored ones for a while but they will be brought them back at least the kids would drink them. All the others were just ended up in the trash on opened yeah and if you've got soft drink machines that you don't set a timer on most kids are GonNa go buy them. I don't know a coke or a sprite or anything the ADS mores sugar and chocolate Mac your bike and ray well and then moving down the road a little bit a Pennsylvania man dropped explosives on ex-girlfriends the property from a drone say prosecutors lady drought explosives or he dropped. The dues says he had a man arrested in June for for allegedly dropping explosive devices on eastern Pennsylvania community. Via drone was targeting his ex girlfriend's home according to prosecutors. Let's see see they. They took the the man into custody would after he was linked to the explosions evidence at his home in his business tied into several explosions in the township since March. Wow how while the the while his motives initially unclear prosecutors now say he allegedly used a drone to drop explosive devices onto his ex-girlfriend's property he hasn't been charged with detonating any explosives but currently faces charging charges of knowing knowingly operating an aircraft the drone without registration. He's one of the neighbors surveillance cameras caught at least one of the explosions wait he's not been being charged with detonate knit but a neighbor caught one of the fuck and explosions what it says how how did this whole allegedly shit when they know for a fact or call you camera doing some. You won't watch it way MOTHERFUCKER. You see it didn't you. There's bucking evidence right the mother. Puckett denning ain't no allegedly to one of the neighbors that was interviewed said one day I was driving. I was was in the driveway doing something all of a sudden I heard them. It rained nails. He said came out of the sky. They dropped down from the sky. Nobody was around. Nobody went by Hi and through them. They just dropped from the sky. The neighbor suspected that the person and he claims he confronted him and asked him to stop but the explosions solutions got worse rain and now my God it's raining sales. Were they like woodworking nells or hidden. Hills doesn't specify sixteen inch any nails you know hey both investigators did find seven improvised explosive devices in nine firearms including multiple. Ar Fifteen rifles semiautomatic pistols in his possession our God what's Ban God because a dude used explosives yup correct ghetto Pennsylvania gotta love it damage needs something else to do with their time. that's what happens when you have lack of technology in your laws table you start blowing up people from air withdrawals and nails ah shit move across the pond now over in the UK solid gold toilet stolen from from Winston Churchill's birthplace. I was going I was going to ask do they have a solid gold dirt in it as well. Needles has grown. It's early golden this time he neak solid gold toilet was part of the art exhibit was stolen early Saturday which the last Saturday as a matter of fact from the magnificent home in England were British wartime leader Winston Churchill once more wonder thing you presley you know the the golden piano the Golden Toilet I just WanNa know how the hell they got it. Adler Anyway toilet valued at roughly one million pounds or equivalent to a hundred or excuse me one point. Two five million dollars has a gold toilet. It's only one hundred pound. They just don't worry about the police said it was taken early Saturday by thieves use at least two vehicles because they've been connected to the publicist bubbling system Lisa the toilets removal costs -nificant damage and flooding leading to the building. Oh Shit that pig as fucking toilet no kidding prior to the theft visitors of the exhibition could be could book a three minute appointment to use the toilet proved popular when the toilet was on display the artist intended the gold toilet pointed to be appointed satire about excessive wealth whether whether it's whether you eat a two hundred dollar lunch or two dollar hot dog the results are the same toilet ways. I mean that's something you would see and like. I don't know a hospital except it's got gold all over it. That's the type toilet we're talking about here. People holy how the fight you just up instill that you don't just fucking pull it from the guy down wall and a fucking horror at me porcelain one one is kinda difficult to what will you know with one person but I mean a solid gold and I think it says it's like eighteen carat so that's not not a fucking light. Ask God Damn if you've ever held eighteen carrots and yeah they're like an F. D. Like son of and it's got a seal around the bottom there if you look in that picture and then it of course it's bolted down so how the fuck did they take it from the wall. Be pull it from the seal and the boats without anybody knowing I mean in three minutes come on that was an inside job that had to have been an inside job nuking at at four fifty eight. PM They were called right says yet or no they left the spacious property operative at about four fifty. Am so you mean to tell me they just happened to be there early in the fucking more and taking shit on the fucking golden until it hey I would. I still this bitch now. Maybe they got walked in. This isn't night at the museum frosty never know the literally aright nor you come back over to this side of the pond and we're GONNA go all the way out to Montana where a woman uses a hairdryer to stop speeders in her neighborhood says a grandmother mother and Montana is is now an honorary state trooper. She wants cars in her neighborhood to slowdowns so she took matters into our own hands with a hairdryer her picture was made famous on Social Media when let's see it says the forgot to slow down and there are a lot the people that are complaining about the can't walk ride their bikes and wouldn't even attempt riding a bike rounds there so she took matters Enron hands is he were talking about. Maybe something would slow cars down so we decided to put me in a chair and I guess use a hairdryers a speed thing that the radar for Paul you their country folk his her son took a picture tweeted it out in the trooper sought shot and kind of spread it everywhere. I'm not even make a joke about spreading it everywhere with grandma they made the trooper said that they thought it was a great creative idea for the public trying frank combat what little bit without making people to upset somebody was way upset. Hell row grandma in trying to drive my goddamn Porsche through here motherfucker. How am I supposed to drive my Maserati? The way as opposed is to be driven when you got this stupid radar out Bright Gaidar. I just WanNa know how many people she actually fooled. I mean if she's not there any kind of a uniform actually slow by slow down. I don't think it was still doing this well. I don't think it it was the hairdryer so much as it was the fact that she setting the side of the road. 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Ep. 133 - Women of the Table on Women Pastors

Christ is the Cure

39:03 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 133 - Women of the Table on Women Pastors

"Everyone welcome to crisis securely are continuing our summer guest series, and this week is women's week assuming everything pound out because we're recording this months in advance, and today we have women. Women. Guests talking to women about a subject pertaining to women, so it's. We have the women of the table Betsy Michelle and they run a great podcast, and they actually did a series on hell that was. Captivating for me and so I hope that this episode will be a blessing for you as we talk about women pastors, a Michelle and betsy. Would you care to introduce yourself? Sure, I'll go ahead. My name is Betsy Beck, Ner, and I married to my husband Travis, which is a good person to be married to your husband. Right anyways we met in. High School, marching band so nerds, then nerds now nerds forever. we have three kids. Walter is six tremendous for and Magnolia three just a little about myself. I teach crochet classes on the side. So and I also do dishes and laundry daily. That's how that's all. There is about me. And I am Michelle I am married to my husband. Paul and we have two kids Spin Lee she used three and Luther. He is one. We are two of the most awkward people and we pair well together, so that's my fun. Fact I do not crochet I have tried I. Do have I actually took. One of class wants and It's pretty bad. It's it's a sad state of affairs liked playing with it so. but betty nine host, the woman, the table podcast and we talk about a wide range of topics from the Culture Personal Bible Study We also have a blog that kind of houses Bible study help it and pass topic articles to supplement our topics on the podcasts, and really we just want to encourage women to study the word to know God to know the Gospel through the word, and to learn right alongside our listeners, because you know, we're always in a state of learning like to be students and encourage other people to be so as well. we've been doing this podcast for about. Eight months now that we've been reporting but it's been really great to meet brothers and sisters via the Internet, so thanks for having us. Yeah, that's probably one of the coolest things meeting all these new people like that. We would never be able to see face to face just instagram and facebook, and all that fun stuff, so that's been really cool. Absolutely. Yeah, it's. It's pretty crazy. especially like with everything going on right now with with covert. It's like Oh, we still have the conversations that we've been having because of the. so I thought y'all have been doing this longer seems y'all yellow seasons, but I guess this time melts away nowadays, right? So. Yeah, in terms of you guys personality I always find the. What would you call it? The Proto episodes very interesting before the episode begins, yells conversations very entertaining to say the least. Thank you, we. Appreciate that. So with that today we're talking about a noncontroversial subject of women pastors. And so with that. Introduce it. Why do you think this topic is important? Well. I'll go ahead and just start off on that I mean I. It's important because it's in scripture and I think we just need to be obedient to scripture, and we need to know our bibles and We can't neglect one part of scripture You know because I. Feel like that would open the door to start ignoring or rewrite or neglect. Neglect another part of scripture that we may not like, or that may be uncomfortable You Know I. Think it's also an example of why we need to read our bibles and be better. students of scripture We can't just pass over things that are hard i. think we need to things that are harder. We need to dig even deeper. Into those things I also think that It's important because this is instruction on how the Church should operate so I think that is also important. You know Christ died church and he was raised for his church. He established his church through the apostles, so the church his bride, so how we follow the instructions is for our flourishing in the church, and that's all laid out in scripture, and that's important to follow. Right I just piggyback off of that like being part of the body and the Church you know scripture tells us how to operate in that sense and it's. So we can best love one another you know, the same portion of the same book that talks about women. Being silent is also the same book that's talking about how we should love one another and you know we love to quote that that portion in First Corinthians, but. To avoid this women, staying silent part is I don't know. I think if one cares much weight we should. We should hold the other with just as much weight as well. You know we should be glorifying God with how we love one another, and if this is how we do that within the body like we WANNA do that. Yeah I think all frame not really well, so in terms of the conversations. Around the subject whether or not, it's you know primary or secondary tends to come up whether or not it actually matters because of a secondary. Does it really matter and if it's primary? Are you not save you know all those kinds of issues so I guess. How would you address that if it was to come to you? Well I would say first and foremost like in order to be saved. You have to trust in Christ on for your righteousness for forgiveness of sins. That is how you're saved but also Just with my research of doing this, I have seen the other side saying that this is a primary issue as well people who are pro women pastors, claiming that this actually is a primary issue because it saying that they are that women are differently by God that they are valued differently within the church, and so that it. Is interpreted as a primary issue so even if we think you know you, this is majoring in the minors. This is you know we're not really a big deal, so just let people do what they want. You know other people on the other side of this, they think it's a real issue. So in just for the sake of loving them, and loving them well. We should be well. Like articulate I guess in which is ironic. But. We should be well articulate and the argument. We should know what scripture says and we should be able to teach them the way that is more correct so yes, I. Just kind of going back also to why this is important, a putting these together is i. mean we see a lot of like progressive Christianity in feminism like coming into the church is now so this we need to address this issue because these things, these ideals and sort of. I don't even know just how to live. Worldly in the churches seems like they're mixing together, so we need to address it, and it is going to be sensitive and controversial and emotional, but I think we need to be prepared for a Biblical answer, not a worldly answer. To this issue right and even like I said before when even though it's not a salvage issue, and I know that Betty touch on this too It might open the door to other distortions of doctrine, leading to Salva figure You know we can see this with a lot of popular female teachers, getting extra biblical revelation, being one example and so when we allow distortion of scripture, it just becomes a lot easier to allow other difficult passages to be twisted to fit our preference or to be more popular, taken the culture. Yeah, thank you. Guys raises an extra point in there. There is a correlation between the the ones who are women. Pastors tend to have false doctrine as well I haven't yet to see someone who who wasn't actually which is kind of a weird. Situation so with that you know a lot of people act like as if the subject. It's not clear that you know you kind of have the middle well, you know I'm not really sure that it's clear so whichever way someone wants to go, it's fine. How would you address? Do you think that scripture is clear on this, or do you think that it isn't big enough for it to be as big of a debate as it is or Things of that nature. You can go ahead. I was GONNA. Say I think we think that scripture is clear on this issue You know we find in you. Know I timothy to talk fourteen I. Think is the main scripture that people use for this and you know as Paul writing in a pastoral Pixel two Timothy, as for standards for churches of you know for the Churches of God, and so is talking about you know as I'll just go ahead and just read it just a couple of versus. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man. She's to remain quiet for Adam was formed I then eve and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived into a transgressor so these to take to takeaways from this these two verses it plainly says women are not permitted permitted to publicly teach scripture, doctrine and church in women are not permitted to exercise authority over men in Church so I to us. I think that is plainly clear. US explained the reasons why you know the reason why he gives us is the creation order of send being absorbed being deceived I. I and send entering into the world so there's your wife for it that we see and also has a little side note the creation order. If you visit to our episode just to give a little plug, two women at the table here we have actually two episodes about head coverings and this for me. The in First Corinthians eleven when they talk about head coverings when they he uses the the creation order as the reason to do this. That was sort of like the linchpin like for that for head coverings for me, but that's a whole other subject, but I just wanted to add in. Yeah I think that it's pretty clear I. mean it there. He doesn't really leave a whole lot of room It's not like an in First Corinthians fourteen, thirty, four through thirty five. He is writing to the Corinthian church on how to operate in the church setting, and he says that women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak. Speak but must be in submission as the law says if they desire to learn anything, let them their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. I mean it's not just like they are. We're taking one piece of scripture. One verse out of context like this is address, multiple areas, and like Betsy said it is Founded in creation order There's no really escaping that like it's and I know that he talks about Another reason being the law, we know because of the law which would be the Old Testament so it's not this new idea. Of You know women being it's a mission for. Men Having Authority in a setting where the word is being taught this is. Pretty clear. Right so to kind of throw a wrench. You guys because it seems like always a fun exercise on this particular subject to bring this up. Whenever whenever it comes to the role of women, Pastors Teaching Doctrine. How do you address those that? Come to you and say well? Does this mean that a women are? Women CanNot Preach the Gospel because technically they're teaching doctrine. I'm sure that's very familiar because it tends to come up. How would you address that particular issue? Well I'll. Just I'll say then Michele. You can interpret what I'm trying to say. 'cause. Michelle's really get it. Interpreting my babble, but I think there's just too much emphasis on this pastoral role of like being on stage and being in front of people in order to share the Gospel, and to teach things. Obviously you know in Titus, talking about older women, disciples and teaching younger women, obviously teaching other women is an you know in sharing the Gospel. That's not an issue like I think. Women are kind of selling themselves short when they think i. have to be a pastor or a ministry leader of some sort like in the limelight in order to properly share the gospel, but not every single person can have that role at the same time, so we all can't be pastors in order to share the Gospel and we're also. We're all called to go and make disciples Pastors, not just specific people, but but all Christians are. Right. That is people punting on their responsibility to share the gospel. With their neighbors to love them well, we don't just bring our our friends to church to hear the Gospel. We tell them the Gospel and the churches primarily for believers right so we use multiplication model. We go, and we teach other people how to share the Gospel. We don't have to bring them back to the source where we heard it to. You know what I mean like. We have scripture, and we should be disabled by other believers, and that should help us multiply and spread the Gospel. So to make this easier on you guys. Another concept that comes up is often what about conferences where women are speaking. Can men attend? And how does that look I? Guess whereas the fundamental difference there how you dress that? Well I guess I would say and I honestly don't I I don't know you guys could tell me if I'm right or wrong, but I don't. If a woman is teaching at a women's conference, an man happens to be there to listen I don't think that she should stop all of the sudden, because if it specifically laid out that she does not hold the title of a pastor like if she is a teacher or women's author or something, and she specifically at a women's conference catered to women and men have to be our happen to be in there to listen I. Don't think that. Anything wrong that she has done. But I don't know what do you? I would. I would agree with that too I think that. There's been a lot of conferences where there is like a mixed audience like I know that. But on conferences where they have had women teaching like on a side, maybe not like a main thing where people can opt in to go and listen to this woman. You know talk, and there's women attending there so they can so I totally agree with you. There's a total difference in a Sunday Lord's Day service and a conference right and I think this is what it. You know what we're talking about here in in you know in I. Timothy is talking about how churches suppose to be ran. How the actual body congregation corporate worship is the order of which it's supposed to be in You know I think that's where this is talking about. I don't know. Maybe. Agreed I need to be more sure of myself. I know that for sure. No I mean that makes sense, categorically either different circumstances, different situations and one of them has structure. Explicitly stated in Scripture and the other one's a little bit more ambiguous so I think y'all guys address that really well. So I wanted to say, so, thank you. Oh, you're welcome, so no, I haven't been interpreter. Feel special now. So we've kind of already touched a little bit on this with the apologetic, I guess against women pastures. Is there anything else you would add to that before we moved onto? I guess application of this subject. Yeah I think that maybe even touching more on exit rebuttals to women, not being teachers, because I have I've seen a couple of debates and things like that where people try to bring up well, this woman over here at scripture did this. So that means that pastor women can be pastors and such so forth So relying primarily on culture of the day to determine the interpretation of scripture I'm thinking of you know the a false idol worship going on episode. It's often referred to and then saying well, Paul's. You're saying for this particular time for this particular church, but we see Paul in Carinthia. Saying that this was the practice of all God's church is not just the current the ends, not just the occasions He was instructing in a general epistle to Timothy General Pastoral epistle is applied to all the churches of God. this is not written to just a specific cultural. Place or location This should be used. It shouldn't be changed. women being used. I'd never heard this one before, but women being used as the first tell about Jesus resurrection, so that means that women can be pastors, but like we said that is completely different. It's OK women can evangelize can tell about the resurrection of Jesus that is not the function of that that's not the sole. I don't know Being a pastor has more function than just telling about the Gospel Gesturing sharing the Gospel with people they are to rebuke. They are to admonish. They are to do all of these things that are the function of a pastor and so I just don't really see how that makes a lot of sense. And then the Romans Sixteen of Judea, being an apostle I. don't know if I know I. Sent you a link to that before. Nick, but I don't know. Maybe talk to you about the Jounieh project. and. They basically say that junior in Romans Sixteen was an apostle, and she was a woman. So that means that women can be pastors and such but. Dunia can actually be translated to Junius. And often is and still is a male or female name, and it doesn't actually say that she is an apostle. She says she's known to. The apostles so I. Don't know I. Just thought that was really interesting seeing. How you know, you can twist scripture to kind of fit with your preference or try to put on scripture. Things that aren't really necessary. When we see, it's rooted in creation, you know we see that transcends culture. Good. Good well said. I have nothing to add. It's always interesting whenever the women at the tomb come up because I always think of an in some shape kind of rips out the. I don't WanNa say revolutionary because it sounds kind of weird. The validation of women in the scriptures that people are kind of removing because they want apply all these other places. It's like well. You're kind of missing the balance, and this is yeah. It was a big deal that they got to be the first witnesses of that and the other the other end of the spectrum. You have all that means that they must be women passers. It's like well I mean there's got to be a balance somewhere. I think you express I. Really Will. so I guess what from there are common misrepresentations or misunderstandings of those that hold the position that women shouldn't be pastors I mean. Yeah so. I think other than the things that we've covered already kind of like well. They can't evangelize then, or whatever one is above in. They're missing. They're calling. Why don't they have the spiritual gift to be a pastor and I would say that God if he says one portion of his word that women are to be silent. They probably don't have the spiritual gift of being a pastor and just misunderstanding the role of a passer. It's more than just a good speaker. A woman can stand up on A. A stage and they can convince you of something. Yeah, but that is not the entirety of a pastor. You know you're. You're handling the very word of God. We're warned that not all should be teachers, because they encourage stricter judgment so this we should be aware of that when we go against the very words of scripture, and then try to get up and teach as women, and one thing too that I've seen a misunderstanding. Is that means that all women are relegated to nursery or domestic duties only? but we know that women are needed. The vast majority of the world are children and women MOMS have a special opportunity to raise up generations of believers and I think this comes down to the problem of people think kids are nuisance. And I think that we have to stop thinking and believing that they are just problems that well make somebody else do it. Nobody wants to handle it and nobody wants to take the time you know to evangelists. Our Children but women play a super important vital role like. We need to be evangelizing children all right. Yeah, I I totally agree with all that another thing that seems to come up at. It seems to be a men versus women debate or issue when it really isn't men against women and you know That's not the issue here I think it's you know an the issue is of proper biblical interpretation. I think that's what it is I. Don't you know I think there are I mean? Hopefully this is implied. There are men who do in the to do abuse women into who do hurt them like that. Those those things do happen, and we're not saying those never happened because they do but just because they're not letting a woman be a pastor. Is that really abuse of a woman so really like properly understanding what abuse is and like what we're how you are. Be Really being hurt Yeah, so and I think to just this. Like men just wanting to look down on women and Lord over women I think that does happen. It's happened in the past and we know that in other sort of religions that happens a lot, too. Where men are you know the dictators of their household and things like that but again if you read scripture as a whole, we see that you know what's man's wife. Wife or man's duty over there. Wife is to love them. As Christ loved the Church and so I, think reading scripture as a whole and together will show you that it's not just like you pick this one thing out, and this is because men want to be horrible to women. Will what a you're neglecting other parts scripture where definitely says the opposite of that? So. y'All always a lot of a lot of points in. Your. Thoughts come from I think. Michelle. In terms of what the role the passers I think you're you kind of hit the nail on the head. Where well if you're a good speaker and you're a pastor, I think that's kind of what we see it. As you know, it doesn't really matter how you do it or what you do as long as you're. You're speaking on a platform essentially kinda strange. but also the idea that we do need women. Honestly my my life without my wife. We kind of a wreck. There's this relationship. is working together and as betsy implied that there's this notion that. has to be either or you have to be against each other. You can't complement each other in that way. I think that's a major point. I think there's also I see that quite a bit to where. You're talking about this subject and I'm like well. What about the men who abuse women, but I mean that's kind of a moot point. In the midst of well, how do we get back to the fundamental issue of what does the Scripture say on this point? It doesn't matter who abuse uses it. Because it we talked about all the people that abuse scripture. Then we have a lot of problems. You based everything on that. So I ultimately see here is like all these. which all alluded to all these cultural ideas interjecting themselves into our mentality of you know if women don't do the same exact things as men that we have a problem, and if we get him with children, that's that's one of the biggest biggest like the concept is just interesting because children. I mean we were all children, so we have to do something I mean so silly. Just say Oh yeah they're nuisances will. To which I guess I kind of want but. West for shares. Very interesting dynamic whenever you think about it in depth and timothy his his grandmother grandmother was praised by Paul and first or second Timothy. And women are very important for that so I appreciate you guys saying all that. So with all of that said. A kind of sets up this discouragement and I've seen this from people I know personally as kind of discouraging for women they they want to. Feel equal, but they kind of missed the boat on whether or not, there's comments or between men and women, so I guess. How can we encourage women with that discouragement on this particular subject? I, think most of all like we shouldn't be tip Tony. tiptoeing around the subject even though it is I. Don't know emotionally driven in Dicey We should wear ashamed of it or like. It's bad news like this is really horrible, so we got to break the news of the women very gently. Because Terrible You know, it should be discussing a way that makes women like. I don't know not also feel like they're being left out of some of something because it's not about being left out. It's not about what women can't do. It's about the different roles in women should be doing what men should be doing and their specific roles at work together you know complement each other like we were saying so I think being truthful, telling the truth in love being you know loving sharing the Gospel I think is a huge part of that into an Intel. Women wear their needed. Give them things to do just because you can't be a passer. Does it mean you can't serve and other? Large as in your church that are good for your church, and that are good for the body and so yeah and I also like investing in women I think disciple women, disciples, and other women is so important, and it definitely should happen and I think women. I guess I should make a generalization, but for me I know and I could probably speak for Michelle to women want guidance. They want instruction. They want to be told I. Don't think you know we. We don't want passers or leaders to be afraid to tell us things we want that. We want to know we want clear. Cut Instruction, and so we can know how to. Glorify God by participate in the body the way that we should like. I don't know that's just for me and I think to. There shouldn't be any. Like shallow theology that's given to women. you know I, think. That we should be very honest and upfront because we're like. We were discussing earlier about children like that's what's at stake like if women are fulfilling their role in the way that got intended to like you know our families are extent are at stake you know and the. Future generations of believers are at stake because that's a role huge role that women play with their children and raising them. So yeah I think that should also be a priority in women's ministry. This is totally my opinion here, but I think for women's ministries. There's a lot of Bible studies that are I don't know how to say this right. You know without being mean or whatever? Tropical like to topical to whatever I think those things are good I think they have a place for sure, but I think we need to get into some like deeper theology here and and I don't. And I think we should talk about women's roles and be open like what God says about them. What the Bible says about them right? If we if we actually dig into scripture, if we just opened up a book, Say First, Corinthians and just read through it. Guess what it would come up. Come up and it would come up and context. We wouldn't have to manufacture our own study to tell us what how women are valued and stuff like that. We'll see that in scripture. Would we just open up a book and study it right, and I think thing like just be willing. You know if there's a woman that comes up to me and as like. I'm really struggling with this. It says that I need to be quiet. Like what does that mean and what does that say about women and stuff like that just? Like man I understand. I don't know any woman who hasn't approached this tax and been like Whoa like that will be back for a second, because we're just not used to that in our culture right now, and to be able to just go through that scripture and say hey, listen, let's study together. Let's see what this passage actually has to say. Because God is good and God loves. US and Christ is great equalizer. All Men and women need Christ. Their Savior and so this is not a women are less than and so. We're going to read this passage. Read it like that because that's not what God is intending and message. Yeah, I think to like I think. There's a lot like women have to teach women like in Bible Studies, maybe totally on the subject, but I don't think most would have an issue if a man came and taught a a women's Bible study. I don't think we always have to read books that are written by women, or you know videos at our top by women I think it would be okay, I think. I keep saying most women, but really I don't know I wouldn't mind if you know a pastor and elder was like I'm GonNa Teach Women's Bible study I think we should not have an issue with that right, but that's really off the subject. No? That's an excellent. It's kind of sad because you said and I was like Oh. That's an interesting point because I've never heard that it's. It's so simplistic, but you're exactly right. It's like well. Why not you know you guys raise a lot of fascinating points there and if I could supplement that from my perspective whenever it comes to my wife comes home from a women's Bible study and she's like Hey, what did this this? And this mean I find that we have more bonding time over. You got significantly high value. There's a special bonding that comes with having a discussion within your marriage. That's just it's fun. It's engaging and you get to know your partner better in that respect. For sure. so spring boarding off of that. I guess we've been talking about it mostly from the context of being married. Because you know, we're all in that boat. How would you address the situation to I? Guess the single woman who doesn't have that resource, because we're not in multigenerational households and stuff like that for the most part, so that cultural context is a little bit different so I. Guess, How would you? APPROACH THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO! Michelle, how would you approach that? I think that you know we should. Okay like like you said I am not single. I am a married woman so I I'm not GonNa say that I am one hundred percent well acquainted with. The struggles of being single in the church, but I know that singleness is a gift from God and in this context that. It is still a gift from God for women to be in the church and learn and like you said in Titus. We are to invest in other women women you know, step up and if you're married, you know like. That's great, and it shouldn't make a difference if you're going to invest in another woman whether they're single or married either like. Just build friendships be. The body loved one another teach them the word study together. You know holding each other accountable I. Don't think it has to be that harder that difficult I think even more so disciple. If you're married woman, the cycling unmarried women single women. I think that's even more so important to kind of disciple them away when they if they do get married one day if they will have their own children, you know Lord Willing like you could speak into that and like you know like share things with those women and to prepare them for marriage. If they get to that point I know when I was single, you know of course I was. was really young but I. That would have been huge or even newly married women that would have been humongous to hear from a older married woman to tell me like go through the Bible with me. Go through scripture with me like tell me what marriage was like because I mean I'm sure you guys can also agree that marriage at first like is hard, and it's weird like sometimes it sucks, but you know I. Don't know I feel like that's even more like with single women. I think older women married women. You know widows whatever throughout their whole years need to be investing in women who are younger than them, and that's where you get your discipleship from that. So I I think you guys. If I can kinda summarize the things that I picked up from this, it's you know there's plenty of work to do. Women's Ministry as plenty of women who need the attention and so I guess the fundamental question at the end of the day for those who feel the compelled to be women passers. What's the reason why whenever you have these other areas that you can go to, because it does seem like all the theologically inclined women I've met. Met have plenty to say about the negative aspects of women, groups and things of that nature, so there's plenty of work to do there and I think you guys that whole concept of well, yeah! If you're if you're single spin time investing other women, and if you're married and spend time investing other women, I think it makes no sense and I think men could take a lot of lessons for that to honestly in terms of, but that's a different subject, so I guess. We will not be speaking on that with you. We will not be going there. So I guess is there would there be any additional thoughts or ideas that you would want to contribute to this conversation before we start wrapping up or before we wrap up. I think that the overarching thing. You know just thinking about this even more We need to know who got his and we need to know that he is good he is. He is a savior ease love And what is really bothering us about this text? you know, is it? We are pursuing our own glory. Is it were pursuing our own ambitions We serve God first and foremost. We don't serve man we don't ourselves. We glorify God. We don't glorify manned. Glorify ourselves, and we obey got and I just think that. If we understood that then this text wouldn't be so hard. Yeah I. Absolutely agree with all of that. Just wear like looking at yourself like where you in like standing with guy. You know what I mean like. Where where are you in all of this like you're part of the body, you need to work together, but it's to glorify God and to serve God so yeah I. Don't think so much of yourself like maybe you know. Stop Thinking. You're so cool. I don't know I. Own My gosh. I Okay I will say this and Michelle. You said this before, too that this is like this is a hard thing for women. It's not like. Michelle and I were just like accepting you know. We accept God's word that is truth and we want to obey, but we still like our sinfulness wants to push back on this and we you know that's our knee-jerk reaction is to be like. What do you mean quiet? What do you mean submissive and you know so I? Think a lot of women have that, so don't think that you're failing because you're. You're struggling with this I. Mean that's why we you know. We can ask the ask the. Holy Spirit to just guide US and help us through understanding this more and through you know yeah, understanding scripture, and what it means, and to get rid of any sort of like sin. We have against this and any sort of bad. Whatever against all of this, so I think got his loving and forgiving, and he's faithful, and we ask for wisdom, and he'll give it to us and so I think just being in the word, and just praying like just Lord help us to just understand this more to get over ourselves. In our preferences and what we want you know. Yeah! You said that and I kind of think about you know I guess anytime. We read scripture. We come across something that we don't like or something. That's hard. And our our initial reaction makes all the difference. I mean if I had if I could count the number times that a false doctrine came out someone not liking something from the text. There's just be overwhelming, and so that kind of everyone has that struggle I mean even whenever rediffision four and says husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church. I'm just like. Wow, that's daunting I mean that's a massive instruction, and so that's one of those things where yeah, we all have to wrestle with the, but the the point is that we've been our will to God's will. Not Our own I think you guys some that up really well. So to that. I guess. Where would you guys point your? Point the listeners to. You've already mentioned that you have the podcast. Where is the podcast is only on Apple, or is it on other platforms, and all that we have? We have it on Itunes Pod, being and spotify right now. and we also our main hub I. Guess if you will is in strand page, it's simple women of the table. and we have a facebook page, W., O., T. table, and like I, said our blog is W.. O., T., T. DOT blog. Pretty easy to remember. I don't know about the blog so I'll go check that. So often all those links in the description and so that people can get y'all. Relatively easily, and that'll be. Thank you guys for coming on and talking about this with me. Thanks for having. It's my pleasure fun. So that was Michelle and betsy from women at the table? I have enjoyed their podcasts. They do their research say they do a lot of digging and. Again they're also just laid back and easy to talk to you so good. Check out their stuff and until next time, God. Bless. You ought to have a wonderful week.

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