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"This podcast may have explicit content. Also has this implicit request? If you follow me on Twitter, why not follow the gist at slate. Gist hm. It's Wednesday October twenty fourth two thousand eighteen from slate. It's the gist. I Mike Pesca yesterday. Donald Trump said they were riots in California. There weren't that. There were middle easterners in the Hon. Durst caravan there, aren't and that there will be tax cuts delivered by congress in the coming months there won't be. But we did get an apology from Megan Kelly about black face on yesterday's show. She did a segment on Halloween costumes and expressed the sentiment that depending on the motivation of the costume where a white person can dark in their face a bit just to pull the costume off. Here was Kelly explaining to her audience. What presumably most of them knew that it is not okay that it's actually never okay for white people to wear black phase in two thousand eighteen. Welcome to the show on Megan Kelly, and I want to begin. With two words. I'm sorry. You made her that yesterday? We had a discussion here about political correctness and Halloween, costumes, and that conversation turned to whether it is ever, okay? For a person of one race to dress up as another a black person making their face lighter or a white person making their darker to make a costume complete. Well, that's not really the crux of the issue. Black person going as a mime not really a problem wipers and going in black face now. It's a problem. And I think she knows why still she continued. I defended the idea saying as long as it as it was respectful and part of a Halloween costume, it seemed. Okay. Well, I was wrong. And I am sorry. A lot of black people online are not accepting her apologize. Pose that that is their right? What are the one from the wrong white lady on TV? She's no longer wrong. Do they want her not to be the white lady on TV? Oh, the interesting thing to me is not that a Fox News host would hold the opinion that black-faced can be okay. Or that it's overly sensitive to criticize a white woman for. Wearing makeup that makes her face a little bit darker when she goes as Diana Ross in a Halloween costume that was by the way, the actual example that Megan Kelly was talking about the interesting thing is that Megan Kelly, though, she spent years marinating in the Fox News universe wasn't savvy enough to know exactly which stances would fly and wouldn't fly in the NBC news universe. I'm not exactly saying how could she not know that it's never okay to wear black phase. I'm not saying that what a more exactly saying is this how could she not know that her current audience and employer would find this particular argument? A third rail Kelly hasn't job particularly well with the audience on NBC. But I think it's more about a mismatch of tone and some of the content of her show as compared to the news of the day had all along though credit her with being extremely intelligent about how she is perceived. I'd have guessed that if you gave her a quiz about the differences. Between the Fox News sensibility, and the NBC news sensibility, she'd have gotten a hundred percent on the quiz. She might not be able to embody all the new NBC sensibilities. She might actually chafe against some of them she'd stick to some of the old Fox News sensibilities because well habit, but I also think that describes a bit of her world view. But I always think she knew exactly where the lines were. But apparently not in this case the apology ended with a sniffle. And then I think a bit of a little twinge of propaganda. So maybe this was a nod to her days at FOX, I'll play the audio. And then I'll explain to you what's going on in the video the country feels so divided. And I have no wish to add to that pain and offense. I believe this is a time for more understanding more love more sensitivity and honor. And I want to be part of that. Thank you for listening and for helping me listen to. The camera pans to the studio audience know, wildly applauding here. They're them applauding the majority of the crowd members shown are African American in a couple of subsequent camera shots. We see more snatches of the crowd. There are more white people mixed in there. But it's still the case that in every shot, we prominently see people of color now, I went back, and I took some screen shots of the typical Meghan Kelly studio audience, usually it's not all white people who show up, but clearly it's majority white at least in every other day that I looked at look I'm not the Annenberg school of communications here. I looked at like five or six days I've posted all these screen shots on my Twitter feed at Pesca me P, E S C A M I. And also let me give all the disclaimers. I would just going by what it looked like to me. I don't know the true ethnishity of the faces in the crowd. A lot of these people can be one sixty four Cherokee nation for all. I know. We'll have to ask professor Bustamante. I'm just saying from outward appearances, which is what TV. Trades in you can see that the normal. Megan Kelly crowd is majority white but for her apology endorsing black face. The crowd seems to be majority. Black certainly not an accident. Not a coincidence. You could even say it's good television, though, certainly not of the nonfiction sort on the show today, I should feel about bomb blame but first are returning champion. The lively and alert Maria Konakov is here to talk about sleep. Now, we've talked sleep before. But it deserves a lot of talk because it is a third of your day. If you're doing it, right? And that's exactly the crux of the issue is eight hour sleep Bs and also what about this idea of segmented sleep. Let me tell you about the next slate live event that I'm involved in slates best political minds will break down, the midterm elections, and possibly just breakdown depending on the results of the midterm elections in a live conversation in Brooklyn. It'll be me Djamil buoy Dahlia lift wick and Jim Newell at the Polanski Shakespeare center, I can walk them in a word that is that will be the Thursday after election day, which is to say November eighth that will be November eighth. Join us for the lively recap discussion. We'll take your questions to go to slate dot com slash live four tickets to that event. Now, we bring you a conversation the promises to be energizing and not enervating. Yeah. Look up don't fall asleep because we're talking about sleep. How important is it? I'm going to say, really important. But there is a number. That is often if not always associated with it you need to get your eight hours sleep. There's perhaps no other number in health. Besides the fifteen minutes between eating and swimming, which I think we've exploded as a myth that is so associated with an activity that you would think maybe some wiggle room around it, right? I know the USDA has a two thousand calorie recommendation, but no one really says, oh, you need to get your two thousand calories or you got more than two thousand calories, but with eight hours sleep pretty doctrinaire. Should it be? Or is that bullshit? And which is exactly the reason we're bringing Maria Cova, she's the author of the confidence game and she's coming out with her poker. Treat us. The biggest bluff Hello Maria. How are you? Good. How are you? Mike. I'm I'm well since I've. Been awake or even alive? I've been told you need to get your eight hour sleep. So let's go back in history. Was it always eight hours with us? Always the recommendation said normally we get the eight hours from people who've been kind of looking at the recommendations by the national sleep foundation or the other NSF. The National Science Foundation. It has never by the way been eight hours. It's always been a range. Okay. And it's seven to nine hours, but that's actually notable because the ranges a few years ago. They re looked at all of the data the -rageous changed for every other age. Oh, except for except for adults. So the whole idea of the eight hours. Oh, okay. It's the midway of the race tonight. How confident or they about the rain. Yeah. You casually said most people meet need more than Asia. That tells me that the range is a perfect bell curve or else. Eight would be what most people need. Yes. The reason you have that range, and that you can't really say how much each individual needs us that people who are sleep specialist one a hedge their bets because it's one of these things that it's pretty likely that you don't need ten hours as an adult, then you might actually have something wrong with you. So some people are starting to study the genetics of sleep duration and look at you know. How do people deal with sleep deprivation, which is one way of looking at do you actually need more sleep or not? But are you are you as sleep deprived? As I am one. We're both forced to function on six hours of sleep or seven hours of sleep. And if you're not then you probably have actually slightly different genes when it comes to that sort of sleep duration than I do faster way of doing it, then keeping Unilab for a week and just watching 'cause 'cause we know I mean, just in a in a nutshell, what sleep does is something like vita, revitalize cells or some says sleep does a lot of things it's you know, it's essential for memory consolidation learning. But it seems that one of its most important functions is cleaning a few years ago. This woman, very smart researcher, Mike in network, ARD smart, like eight and a half hours sleep. She probably does. Because what she found out is that one we sleep brain actual. Flushes out a lot of misfold proteins and other trash that has accumulated during the day. And so when we're when we're wake our brains are working all the stuff is happening. And you know, there ourselves are making trash and then at night, the channels of the brain open up allowing us to flush the trash away when you don't get enough sleep that cleaning process can't happen plaques and mis folded proteins end up building up, and you end up accumulating this stuff, which can cause dementia can cause things like Alzheimer's, which is not being able to access the right word at the right time. Exactly. That actually makes the actually makes a lot of sense tip of the tongue etc. So this is a very new thing. We don't know a lot about it. But it seems to be one of the essential functions of sleep before. There used to be a joke by one of the foremost to sleep researchers of the twentieth century, and he said the purpose of sleep is to cure sleepiness. That's that's good sleep humor. But it does seem like there's there's definitely more of a purpose than that. And when we're sleep deprived that doesn't actually happen. So yes, I'm guessing that she gets her full, however long she needs. So when we were talking about the genetics of slave some people seem to recover faster and some people seem to be able to sleep shorter. It seems like about eighty percent of how you react to sleep. Deprivation is heritable. So it does seem to me though, if there's a physiological function clearing out the misfold routines. You could maybe even an will. That's probably just one of the things there's probably other markers in the cell or wherever where you can say sleep deprived person. There's probably going to be a way where you could measure someone in terms of their sleep needs and their sleep deprivation, not in terms of hours. But just in terms of how it shows up in the body, and that will be very useful. Absolutely. And they're actually other ways not just before. We've. Knew about the misfielded proteins in which would be hard to measure because it's hard to go into the brain cat. Scans brain scans taking the fluid off rain just to figure it out that seems very doable. But the way that we that we can measure it as by other hormones because we have something called sleep, Dr as you become more and more tired, your sleep, Dr increases because the levels of certain hormones in your blood are building up, and you can actually look at those hormones, so a dentist in is something that basically starts building up and making us sleep here throughout the day. And then at night, we have something called melatonin melatonin is a signal that hey body like we're we're trying to get ready to sleep and melatonin is triggered by light. So that's actually how we figure out when the day is ending and one of the ways that we know that it's very visual. And so it really matters. What lights you're surrounded with is with studies with blind people? So. The blind. That actually have optic nerve damage have a really hard time figuring out when to go to sleep there. Circadian rhythms aren't messed up but blind people who have damage to the cortex to the visual cortex. So that they can't process it. But there is are actually ready light is registering delight is registering. They just can't see it. They can entrain perfectly their circadian rhythms are going. Well, it's it's very clean data that shows that it really does matter and that the melatonin production does matter so by my measuring those types of hormones, you can try to figure out where someone else in their sleep cycle. How tired they are how much they are being driven to sleep at the particular time. And the other thing is that when this is a statistic that I still find totally mind boggling, so if you go for twelve nights with six hours of sleep, which is actually an amount that a lot of right? It doesn't seem. A disaster. It's the amount that a lot of people get on a regular basis, you're cognitive and physical performance is going to be completely indistinguishable from someone who has been awake for twenty four hours straight, which in turn is indistinguishable from someone who has a blood alcohol level of point one. That's kind of cry stayed up for twenty four hours after only getting six hours for two weeks and striking. I could possibly don't don't operate heavy machinery weekend news anchor this. Yes, yes. You might be able to and the the other thing about that is we don't realize we can only understand that we have a cognitive deficit for the first day, and after that are self awareness plummets, we think that we're actually functioning full at full speed when we're not no one other thing. I want to talk about is sleep duration say eight hours or nine hours. Perhaps we make it sound like you shut your lids. And then you're up nine hours later. Yeah. What about getting up in the middle of night? What about you know, getting that glass of water or I will come to this occasional bowl of cereal. Yep. So if you're a healthy sleeper, you're gonna wake up an average of five times an hour for just a few seconds. And you're not gonna. Member it, usually you might remember some of them like if something actually happened or if someone disturbed your something disturbed you. But usually don't remember you just kind of wake up, and it seems to make sense from an evolutionary standpoint because sleeping is very dangerous. We should asleep. Actually, a lot more than we do given the size of our brains. If you do an extrapolation from other primates, we should be sleeping thirteen fourteen hours. But how we don't. But then we let the chimps get the jump on. This is true. Exactly. But but we don't because that that's actually bad because if we slept for thirteen hours, then we'd get eaten. And so it makes sense that we would actually have a mechanism for waking up multiple times during an hour. Just so that you can quickly monitor the environment in case there is a danger. You know, these days, it's like my under my pillow, you know, but but in the past it might have been like is there a tiger standing over me. Right. Then I might want to wake up so in the last few years there's been this new theory, which has been. Pushed forward by historian called Roger eckerd's historian who decided to look at the history of sleep and has proposed. This thing called segmented safe. He said in the past people used to sleep in two waves. They had a I sleep and a second sleep and in the middle. There was a break where they would do things like, you know, talk about important things in bed. And if you're Shakespeare, you know, right some sonnets or something like that. I remember when this book came out, and it was like don't you understand for thousands of years? No one ever thought to sleep through the night, people would get up, and they talk about it. Yeah. Don't you think this would show up somewhere where they wrote things down or? So so we do have references to first and second sleep in some literature, and that's his evidence mostly, but it's all anecdotal, and there hasn't been any scientific evidence that this was actually the case. And so I think that this is what we were talking about earlier when we were just talking about sleep drive, which is the first time, you fall asleep is going to be the easiest because your sleep Dr has been building up all day since you last got proper sleep, and you're tired, so you fall asleep, and that if you actually wake up it's going to take you longer to fall asleep, and you might do something else. And it's not really I sleep second sleep. It's I woke up and now I can't get back to sleep. So there's not actually as far as I could tell there's not much scientific evidence behind first and second sleep. There's no way there could be a reference at a play by Mark. Exactly. No. That's exactly right survey surmonter stunk iota. Okay. Some Shakespeare stuff. Yeah. Those are the references that we have there is. A study by neuroscientist from UCLA not a historian. He's a neuroscientist called Jerome Segal. And he looked at tribes in Tanzania Bolivia and Namibia because presumably if segmented sleep is the way that we are supposed to quote, unquote, sleep. Then if you look at tribes that are still kind of living in the old tribal ways, you'll find segmented sleep, and he didn't find it and the tribes, of course, maybe it's that these tribesmen would wake up and see what's his name Jerome who. Jerome segal. Jerem seagulls. Yeah. See Jerome Segal? Get all freaked out. Jerome Segal the sense. Did not find any segmented sleep. And I have to say I mean, this is like the claims about the Palley diet paleolithic ancestors ate this this and this because we didn't have grains, while lo and behold, we find evidence that actually yes, they did have grains, while grains that they ate. And that a lot of the diet stuff is just bullshit that you want to say to say anecdotal evidence. And I'm sure that drinking cow's milk is not normal going to say that we've been doing it. Yes. So so, I'm I'm, you know, I'm sure that Roger encouraged a great historian. How would we say who was anything that's been great? And it's a it's an evidence being that he wrote a book this seems to not be true. But anyway. But there is there's little scientific backing for segmented sleep having been a norm ever. Okay. So let us now play our game and render verdict, and I will phrase it this way normal adult human should get eight hours sleep at night. Is that bullshit? Well, that's bullshit. If we're talking about eight hours period, if we're talking about a range, eight hours happens to be in the middle of that range at adult needs to get on average between seven and nine hours. But in order to determine how much sleep you need you actually have to figure that out for yourself and one way to do it. You can actually do a study on yourself if your bosses allow you to which is for the next week. Don't set an alarm go to bed when you feel tired and wake up when you wake up and actually time how long you've been sleeping, but it's important to go to bed when you feel tired. Yes. Yes. A lot of times we stay up until we have to. Yep. As opposed to. Go to bed, and when you feel tired exactly you set your own alarm, exactly. And don't get all jostled in the middle of the night by the prospect of Jerome Segal. This is true. This is true. Maria Cova is the author of the confidence game. Also the biggest bluff which is coming out pretty soon. It'll be exciting. And you like the kids say don't sleep on that. All right. Thank you Maria. Thank you make I'm going to go get some sleep now. All right. And now the Bill bombs were apparently sent or perhaps apparent bombs were sent to liberal public figures and CNN also John Brennan was the recipient of a bomb. I would not call him liberal. But he has been the ire of some Donald Trump tweets the return address on some of these bombs was Debbie Wasserman Schultz. So is this an incompetent bomber was this an incompetent hoax ter-? What are the motivations of the bomb? Stor slash hoax. Ter- if this person or persons really meant to kill or at least hurt these mostly liberal institutions that would mean that the right has gone crazy to eggs such person on. No. But if these were false flag operation made to make the right seem extreme by attacking the left that will make it look like some elements of the left have gone crazy. No. The guy who shot up the abortion clinic, and Colorado is a symptom of the antiabortion movement. The guy shot Steve Scalise and the Republican baseball practice. That's a symptom of Bernie backers gone beserk, isn't it? How can you say? Yes to one but not to the other. This is the perfect opportunity to commit to an ideologically consistent position. Because right now, we don't know the ideology of the would be attacker. So I think we have to either say that he or they or her or them is being egged on by some outside force in public or isn't. And I say isn't no matter what the motivations are revealed to be. I would say the blame does not go on the outside force. The blame goes on the would be bomber or hoax. Ter-? I can anticipate your argument. President Trump truly does base the discourse he inspires violence. He literally tells people to beat other. Other people up he provides a permission structure for outbursts. Yes. Yes. I concede. It's not really a concession. I cert- that Trump backers at a rally will throw their fists faster than impassioned backers of any other candidate or any other person in public life but killings or bombings or threaten bombings are the product of a sick out of touch with reality person. Also, I think Trump is the symbol of angry times. Maybe the avatar of it not necessarily the cause of it. I believe that we have always had a base level of violence. And sometimes this gets channeled in different ways. We used to have the phenomenon of going postal was that a logical response to post office oppression. Now, we have the phenomenon the increase phenomenon of massive school shootings mass shootings in general. So that as a popular way to air grievance seems to have replaced the formerly popular trend of political assassinations. I think what happened is or this is at least a theory. We've always had this anger. We've always had this free floating anger, and we have this horrible access to guns, which is the main problem in my opinion. And this anger finds a way to direct itself. Now we short up the defenses against politicians. We got really good at making politicians safe via the security state and psychological profiling and the expansion of who gets secret service and police protection. So once we short up the defenses in that vulnerable area, the free floating grievance chose softer target. Once the story about a guy who invented a shoe that was designed to prevent ankle injuries because basketball players get ankle injuries. So I gave the shoe to a researcher and the researcher got back to me. And he said, yeah. This reinforced shoe could very well diminish ankle injuries. It will almost certainly result in more knee injuries. Because when you have an integrated system str-. Will be visited upon it with the same force. It will then travel through the system it till it finds a weak point. And then it will assert itself. And even though it seems like societies crazier angrier than ever before. There's less violent crime murders down to quote, a recent city lab report that once ubiquitous phenomenon of road rage is down the author looked Google Books and confirm that there was road rage interest in the nineties plateaued in the two thousands, and it has had a relative decline ever since this is one of my least popular opinions not to credit the motivations of a mass killer or a would be bomber. It seems really wrong to say that are extremely angry president has an emboldened and enabled and empowered extremely angry reactions, but I do believe if you say that then how can you avoid saying? Well, black lives matter in some of its rhetoric in some way, inspired those killers in New York and Dallas to kill some policemen. How could you not say, you know, that guy who shot Steve Scalise who was a big Bernie backer? I mean, Bernie bears some of the blame. I'm not prepared to go there. If our president were different we may well have less targeting of these targets, but maybe not we have had lunatics and extremists acting insanely violently in the name of everyone from Jesus to Mohammed to the Beatles. And I wouldn't blame any of them. We can properly condemn extreme. And inaccurate statements from whoever makes them without saying it necessarily put the idea of a bomb in anyone's head or Debbie Wasserman Schultz return envelope in anyone's hand. That's it for today show that just was produced by peer BMA may Daniel Schrader who combined for sixteen hours sleep, fourteen Pierre in two for Daniel Raphael, senior producer of slate podcast. She gets her REM sleep, which means she goes to bed by reciting backwards everyone in that one song. 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"The presenting underwriter of the Michigan podcast progress Michigan providing a strong credible voice that holds public officials and governments accountable and assists in the promotion of progressive ideas. But as we go in Sioux Michigan's election on Tuesday I am going to be voting for Joe Biden. The national spotlight moves to Michigan. The big prize in second straight week of high stakes primaries and Joe Biden picks up a half dozen big-name Michigan endorsements as Joe Momentum grows. This is the Michigan podcast. We're all about Michigan Policy and politics and the national issues impacting our pleasant peninsula. I'm also org and I am Christine. Berry joining lots org while the presidential primary dominates this week's podcast there are other stories of note including a landmark ruling blocking Republican attacks on the poor. A me too moment for state Senator Peter Lucido and more on Michigan Getting Ready for the corona virus and this week's work in progress segment focuses on a lack of affordable livable housing estates largest city. But of course we begin with the presidential primary and what a Week. It has been presidential. Candidates have been dropping faster than art van stores in the last few days a week ago we had six viable candidates for the Democratic nomination. Plus Tulsi Gabbard then came Super Tuesday in the six became too with three of the dropouts endorsing Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Holding back any endorsement that triggered a wave of endorsements in Michigan in a matter of hours. Almost Joe Biden had the support of former governors. Jim Blanchard et Jennifer Granholm congressman lists slatkin Hayley Stevens and Brenda Lawrence and former Senator Carl Levin. But perhaps the most significant was. The support of Governor Gretchen. Whitmer Chow knows Michigan. He was there when our back was up against the wall. To support the auto industry he worked with President Obama to expand You know the access to healthcare and almost seven hundred thousand people in my state have healthcare now because of that work. And that's why I feel like this is the right time to weigh in and to tell the people of my state. I'm with Joe because I believe Joe's will Michigan okay. Crecy two weeks ago. Whitmer was saying she wouldn't endorse in the primary now. Of course she has. She made her announcement on. Msnbc on the morning. Joe Show what do you make of her turnaround? Well two weeks ago. She didn't have to endorse you. Know prior to Super Tuesday. There was no reason for it. It wouldn't have made any difference to anyone outside of the state maybe a little bit of fundraising head. She endorsed like Elizabeth Warren. But there's no reason to endorse and now that the race is here. She has a stake in the outcome. She has to come forward just like everybody else. It would have been very notable if she hadn't you know I do want to say I do think that she is ideologically. Closer to Joe Biden Than Bernie Sanders but one of the things she mentions. That JOE is here for the auto industry which is true but philosophically so was Bernie Sanders. Sanders just wasn't willing to spend any money to bail out the Wall Street. Banks which was part of that whole thing and most economists have agreed that that would have caused a depression scale collapse. And that's just one example of how very different Biden and Bernie Sanders are and that's part of the reason why I think she was willing to jump in and support Biden because she feels that his approach is going to be her is going to be similar to her way her approach to how she governs Michigan Issue to talk to you about the campaign and how she thought Joe Biden needed to go about campaigning to win Michigan which is absolutely critical for winning the presidency. Staying focused on the dinner table issues whether it is closing the skills gap or insuring. Our kids are getting the education they need cleaning up drinking water or just fixing the damn roads. These are the fundamental sand. I shall record of having gotten accomplished. You know important things during my time as legislator and I think that's what Joe is doing and that's why I think the blueprint he's using and twenty twenty is very similar to what I didn't twenty eighteen. I know he's committed to finding common ground and building coalitions and I think now more than ever. We need leaders. Who can do that? You know it's almost a proxy rematch of the to`real primary of twenty eighteen. Where you had whitmer running against Abdul El-Sayed who is a Bernie backer and part of the Progressive Wing of the Party shouldn't up winning with about what fifty fifty five percent of the votes L. Abdul El-Sayed got about thirty percent and seems to me that kind of reflects what we're likely to see Tuesday but if I make a prediction is probably means Bernie? Sanders will win. Because I've been wrong and everything else the last few weeks I'm the one at. I admitted that I thought it was going to be a Michael Bloomberg. Amy Klobuchar ticket That ain't gonNA happen although cloture. I think it's someone play for the furniture nomination and for Bernie Sanders. Michigan is the whole ball of wax. If he can't win the primary here I think he is toast. He'll keep going but I think his campaign is over. I think when she talked about things like finding common ground and coalitions that is where Bernie has perhaps turned himself with his branding. And it's not because his agenda isn't helpful to people or focusing on things that matter to people Which Governor Whitman also mentioned? But it's because his brand is so US versus them that he so easily loses that argument on building coalitions and finding common ground and there a you know a narrative out on Bernie nationally that he doesn't get anything done in the Senate that's not true. There's a narrative that he can't compromise. That really isn't true but his brand kind of supports that and so in a place like Michigan where we're in gridlock. Over the roads and and other things them may work against him. But another thing you know you mentioned Abdul El-Sayed he was on CNN. I Super Tuesday night. He had said something about why people supported Bernie and his very eloquent and at the end of it he said. We're just not interested in being lectured to that was probably the first time I actually understood where all of this anger was coming from from these burning bras that people talk about so even though I do believe that Bernie. Sanders hurts himself with his branding and so on it does speak to that very real anger. That people are feeling whatever happens in this primary in Michigan. Were still going to have a huge huge gap really a conflict between these two groups of people who you know we want progress and we want revolution or however you WanNa put that that we have to heal and the leader is going to have to work on that and try to heal it well. It's also a contrast in styles. You Have Bernie. Sanders is very pugnacious. He's constantly railing against the greed of the insurance industry and the billionaires and the oil companies and Joe Biden while still progressive on the issues. He doesn't go as far as Bernie Sanders certainly but also. His style is much more soothing. He's more from the Barack Obama wing of the party. Which reminds us of about every ten seconds but he exudes an aura of bringing people together. Whether that's going to happen or not I doubt it. Especially if Mitch. Mcconnell remains the majority leader of the Senate will still have the same source of fights in Washington but Biden at least gives you a sense that there's a possibility of reconciliation and of bringing the country together whereas with Bernie Sanders versus Donald Trump. That is pugnacious against pugnacious. And it would be probably the nastiest campaign in our lifetime. I don't even want to be awful. And the other part of it is of course. We're not going to know the results probably until Thursday. Because the absentee voter list is just immense. A majority of Michiganders will have voted by absentee ballot. I did some checking with some local clerks in the numbers. They're running to sixty five. Seventy seventy five percent absentee ballots and because the legislature refused to change state law the Republicans. That screw you. He can't open the ballots. Eight o'clock on Tuesday night which means that's when they begin to process the eighties. We're not going to know until sometime Wednesday or Thursday. How all of that came about. Because they've got open the envelopes. They gotta throw him through the machines and that just takes time and with three quarters of your votes. You can't even start counting him until eight thirty at night. Nine o'clock at night. That's going be a long process. Well and I think people respond by saying well. That's how we normally do it anyway. That's really not entirely true. But the absentee ballot just takes longer to count. It's just because of the way the law's set up. They can't prepare the ballots for counting even until the polls close. Where is in some states? They can begin opening the ballots that morning or they can even open them ahead of time so that they know They've started the process and it's not all dumped on him at once. Couple of other things about the voting process because of the rapid rate of decline in the number of candidates and Michigan Law. Allow you to retrieve your absentee ballot until election day. So you can revote. The number of people who are spoiling. Their ballots is just going through the roof. Detroit News reported last week. Eight thousand plus ballots had been spoiled. Already I check with some local clerks on this as well and they were saying. They're getting record numbers of spoiled ballots. One friend of mine. Who's a former legislator he founded think-tank in Lansing? There's a really knowledgeable voter. He has spoiled his ballot three times because he his candidates kept dropping out. He's GonNa vote a fourth time now and that's he was laughing at himself. He says I must be the kiss of death. I think he just makes predictions as well as you do out. That's all he just had enough sense to hold onto your absentee ballot until equity. Wait and see you know and and I just will acknowledge here. That Tulsi Gabbard is still in the race. As far as I know but obviously yeah so am I no clear path to nomination. You know she. I saw her on social media. She's probably another media but shared a strong second-place finisher to American Samoa. And it's like that doesn't even matter anyway Yes she wanted to to debate and and she's been excluded from the debates and so she was out there arguing for that part of me says philosophically. If you're a candidate and you can qualify. You know without the goalpost being moved and all that then you should be able to and the other part of me is like just stowaway. There's no clear path to the nomination and you don't have any ideas we're talking about before we leave the Michigan part of this discussion. What are talking about. Some endorsements that I think are actually more significant than the one that came from the governor and the Lieutenant Governor and those are the endorsements of Hayley Stevens and Elissa slogging to members of Congress new members of Congress who flipped Republican districts. And who are obviously concerned about their own re-election in districts that went for Donald Trump twenty sixteen the fact that they both went for Joe Biden. I think really speaks to why the party is coming together. Behind Joe Biden Alicia establishing. The party is coming together behind Joe Biden because I want to keep Nancy Pelosi as speaker and they see him as their best chance to do that. Yeah I think that's true. I think they know. There's more of a risk in those districts where Ellison Haley are in other districts set of flipped. There's more of a risk with Bernie at the top of the ticket because he'll drive more. Republicans to the polls but I also think that you know again. Haley analysts are both much more in line with the Joe Biden style of governing their thoughtful. They're reflective they're calm. They don't shout at people but on top of they do things and incremental ways and again it goes back to Bernie's brand or for what the way that Bernie presents himself is very fiery obviously but again his brand says I'm not going to compromise period. Also his brand is not representative of the majority of the party. At least that's the way the voting has shown so far I went through the states. One by one for super every precipitous voted so far actually and with just a couple of exceptions Bernie Sanders hasn't gotten more than thirty six percent of the vote anywhere now in Vermont is home state. He got fifty one percent which is actually kind of a poor showing in your home state. Where you've been elected forever on a statewide basis. And he got in the Nevada caucuses. He got forty seven percent but other than that his high point was Colorado thirty six percent and Utah. Thirty five percent. Just every place else. He was in the low thirties or high twenties. Even In Alabama got seventeen percent Bernie Sanders has a very large base very loyal base of very energetic base. And I respect the hell out of them for building that base but his problem is right now. He hasn't expanded that base. His ceiling is almost at the same level as base. And it hasn't changed much in fact it's gone down in some states since the Two Thousand Sixteen Cycle. That's the bottom line. He does not represent the majority of the Democratic Party and the Bird Bros. Are Not going to be happy when. I say that but the numbers pretty much make that very clear. Let's be real whispering it back to Michigan. Let's be real for a minute. Why would everybody coalesce around? Joe Biden out first of all. He blew away Super Tuesday. He's clearly strong right now if he's the likely candidate and we're all getting behind him. We want something from him when he gets there. And like you said we want Nancy Pelosi in charge. When he gets there. Michigan needs help. We need a lot of help for our water. Cleanup we need help for our infrastructure. You know we want to be on the side of the person who wins. And if we think Joe Biden's going to be that guy we've worked with him before we wanna work with him again now Bernie as president surely win turned his back on us but he's got bigger goals you know. He's a bigger fight. Any also with Biden is the or the potential nominee. It made a big change in the fight for the Senate to raw manual. Pointed this out on one of the Sunday shows in Rams one of the great political minds in this country. He pointed out that Steve Bullock running for the Senate Montana is the only chance that Democrats have to win that heavily. Republican seat and the only reason he's running because he thinks Joe Biden is going to be the nominee was Bernie Sanders. Bullock was going to take a pass. Bullock won the governorship there despite a trump landslide in in the last cycle and he is the most popular Democrat by far in Montana given the tightness of the race for control. The United States Senate. That could be the whole enchilada right there. That's interesting you know. I didn't know that I do have one more point. Though on Michigan and Biden Sanders. It's kind of an obvious. One Biden wants to expand the affordable. Care Act. Sanders wants to scrap it. Replace it with a better version of Medicare for all and that leaves no room for private insurance. I did a little digging in no matter what you think about private. Insurers this is an increasingly important economic contributor to the Michigan the block of insurers and public sector consultants did a study last year and has the industry making direct and indirect contributions of forty billion in two thousand eighteen. The insurance industry's economic footprint. In Michigan is over two percent larger than it is the national average and that's not a health insurance and is not all insurance agents or insurance wraps and it includes direct and indirect contributions but these people are looked at like a block and I think that could be a real factor. If if you're talking about Bernie who wants to do away with private insurance and you look at insurance as a block. That could really make a difference in Michigan and add to it the UAW members that over the years negotiated tremendous healthcare coverage from the automakers. Are they willing to risk giving up? What they've negotiated for for a still unfunded federal program and that is something Amy Klobuchar pointed out a lot during the campaign pete. Buttigieg mentioned a lot during the campaign. But I think that is something that's probably going to hurt Bernie Sanders in his efforts to reach out to blue collar workers. We should point out. There are other primaries on Tuesday there in Idaho Mississippi Missouri Washington or North Dakota but Michigan is by far the largest delegate hall and Michigan Really Critical to the campaign next week. There's for big ones as well which could in theory at least revive the sanders campaign. If he comes out of Michigan with a victory those are in Arizona Florida Illinois and Ohio. Probably of those states. Though I'm not sure which one of those you could even be strong for Bernie Sanders. Given the demographics of those states Florida's a very old state a lot of retirees and he does very poorly amongst older voters Ohio possibility. But again you've got a heavy union contingent there with the healthcare issue. Arizona a lot of retirees as well Illinois Obama's home state. So it's a it's a rough go right now for Bernie Sanders. I'm wondering if at this point if it's not going to be all over by the next week. The only thing that I would add. Is that why you were speaking? I was sitting here. Nodding thoughtfully and agreement. Nobody could figure that. Good Radio in other news governor Whitman Attorney General Nestle when a key battle in the courts over the last week stopping a Republican effort to take away Medicaid coverage from thousands of Michiganders Christine. You've been following this issue from start to finish yes. This is another one of those eggs from lame duck. The Republicans put in some work requirements. If you are poor and on Medicaid and you're relatively healthy you have to prove that you're working eighty hours a week or you're trying to get work. Are you going to school? And there's a reason you're not they just put in some requirements for you to keep getting Medicaid and if you fail to meet these requirements you failed to report on these requirements. Your Medicaid gets taken away. This is pretty simple. Issue for the courts the Medicaid Act is meant to provide health coverage to the poor. That's it. It's not there to put poor people to work. It's not there to make poor people report for the government a reason for deserving it it's there to provide health coverage the department of Health and Human Services has started implementing this this leftover lame duck. Bill it they've spent thirty million dollars already But the work requirement had been challenged in the courts not just Michigan but in other states as well and in other states ahead bent over rule struck down and it was just struck down in Michigan. Which is a good thing but there will be appeals and while there are appeals ongoing We will probably still be implementing it and you know continuing to take these reporting requirements. This is good that it was struck down but this is a significant example of how Democrats and Republicans look at things. Because I a I think Democrats look at this and we said look the Medicaid Act is here to give poor people healthcare and that's IT and Republicans look at it like if you WANNA benefit you have to get out there and get it and the problem is right now. We have a potential pandemic. We have a potential outbreak coming. And they aren't even talking about suspending those work requirements for that. They don't care about that. You know they only care about making people either work or go out and try to work or go to school or something because they think they're empowering them fortunately it was struck down. It was a good ruining. It'll probably get appealed until it gets to the Supreme Court where who knows what would happen. Will the timing of this is really a pretty amazing too because healthcare's rather important when you have a pandemic disease going around the country and right now. We're getting ready wait. Fortunately we haven't had any cases yet of current virus in Michigan. But it's just a matter time you know what's going to happen here. It's happening every place else. I don't know why we would be exempt especially when we got one of the busiest airports in the country at Detroit Metro airport which is sort of incubator for international diseases and that's having all sorts of impacts especially at places like the major universities which have large international student bodies there's a great story in the Lansing State Journal the last few days about Asian students at Michigan State. Basically saying they're getting all sorts of crap because just because they're Asian and people are afraid to touch them or be near them or have them breathe on them One is quoted as saying if you look Asian you're seen as carrying the virus and I'm not quite sure we can do about other educate people. I mentioned on the Pod last week of a friend who owns a Chinese restaurant and it's hurting his business because people don't want to eat Chinese food apparently they think AAC Fuyang carries the the virus or something along those maybe from the fortune cookies. But there's a lot of irrationality right now going along with all of this for a disease which for most people is not especially serious other than the economic impact that has because they can't go to work and it does impact or economic infrastructure but from a medical standpoint. It's only serious for people like me who are old or who are who have a preexisting conditions. I'm sure it's not just MSU where that's happening it's probably happening on campuses all across the country. I'm disappointed though because campuses like Msu you have A university like that is such a mix of you know I mean there's just such wonderful diversity there and I am surprised that people would have this kind of concern about Asian students. Many of whom have been here for a long time now. Admittedly there are people who travel you know. There are international students who may be have gone home over Christmas. Break or something and come back. I understand being concerned about that. But the incubation period isn't that long so I'm kind of disappointed that people would feel that way. I had heard about the restaurants and I wasn't surprised about that but I guess I expect more from universities where people are used to living with so many different people from all over the country. A problem right now at Michigan State because one. They have more than two thousand. Chinese students in their student. Body into spring break is just ending and sooner coming back after being gone. So I think it's probably GONNA ask a little bit little bit on the campus. And if you are Asian or a look Asian and you sneeze God help you well. If if you've got home doesn't come back doesn't it doesn't matter it doesn't matter when somebody sees you sneeze there good. Unfortunately they're going to think the worst right away. I totally get that. But I mean I'm just saying if you've gone home and you come back and sneeze me. I'd probably going to be a little concerned. I mean that seems reasonable to me. But if you've got home to say Indiana where you're from and you come back in you know it's just. It's just emotional. If you've been Indian on spring break you got all sorts of different problems as well. We can't leave the segment. Though without a salute to our chief medical officer in the United States the president of the United States the man with a natural instinct for all of these things because his uncle father's stepson or something or other was a scientist or something like that but trump just once again makes a total fool of himself. I really get it. Surprised everyone of these actions that heaviness so much maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running to well actually. I wish you would've done this instead of running for president but this other issue completely well He. He just came out and said he didn't ever hear of anybody dying from the flow and his grandfather died from the flu related illnesses. So he's all over the place no cure for stupid okay. So on the hammer dropped on the Michigan Senate. Most openly chauvinistic pig members. Senator Peterloo Saito has been stripped of the chairmanship of a committee. That functions as Governor Whitman. Biggest your tent in the Senate As you remember was investigated by the Senate Business Office for things that he said to Alison Donahue as well as some bad touch moments with other women. The investigation found that due to the number and similarity of the incidents. They were more likely than not to have occurred. And these things were inappropriate. So that's the good news. They found the women credible and believe that these things happened. So Senate majority leader. Mike Shirke issued a lengthy statement on the importance of a safe work environment. He stripped Lucido of his chairmanship of the advice and consent committee. The CDOE get some free training on how to be a human. I guess but he does get keep his chair his seeds chair on the judiciary and he's on another committee which I actually am not sure what that is and then the CTO came out and said that he had been cleared. And let's move on from the issued. The Miller report to no collusion. No -struction when of course there was collusion in there was obstruction. It's the new operating standard. Your cleared no matter what the report says propsed Alison Donahue. It takes a lot of guts to come forward when you are. What is she twenty two years old or something like that and do come out against a powerful member of the Michigan Legislature. And basically say hey the guy did wrong and I just don't like it. She ultimately won and it. I've been listening to a Ronin froze. Podcast a catch and kill podcast talking about the Harvey Weinstein case and the subsequent developments about that. And it's the same sort of thing without courageous women coming forward to say something. This crap just keeps happening today and like you said. We're recording on Sunday. It's International Women's Day. Hyper aware of this because we did a thing about it at work but I just wanted to tell you you know guys like you get it guys like running Baragan. There are a lot of men who get it but there are also a lot of people including women who don't understand why Alison was such a bad ass for coming forward because it is risky. It is scary to come out. Look at this guy just said something. That's really inappropriate. And she would have no idea whether when she said that people would agree that it was inappropriate and not say well. You're just being insecure. Well it was just a joke with. I'll just sit down walker room talk. Yeah that was a bad ass moment for her good for her. Good for the other senators. Who was senator mcmurray? Who is the other one who came out anyway? Osborne from Michigan Credit Union League a lobbyist. Thank you not a senator. Yes thank you good for them. For standing up a couple of quick shakes I in the ongoing battle over the enbridge pipeline. The fossil fuel giant is speaking softly but carrying a big big checkbook. It has been reported by Bridge magazine. That end bridges quietly buying up land in the neighborhood of the Straits of mackinac very new pipeline according to local property records and inbreeds subsidiary. His scooped up sixteen residential parcels since November of two thousand eighteen in a township west of the mackinac bridge apparently betting that the tunnel plan will survive legal challenges and for the landowners and for the township. It is an absolute bonanza because they're paying many multiples of the value. The assessed value of this land. A pair of parcels and Wadham township sold for more than a million dollars according to township records local record show their market value at roughly two hundred eighty thousand dollars and bridge apparently believes that they've got their case one and are making a putting up pretty big bet in terms of of course they could always just sort of a really nice resort if they lose the court battles. I suppose I don't even know what to say to that. You Know I. I understand wanting the tunnel. If you could put the tunnel in tomorrow and be done with it I would even understand doing that. But having those lines there for that long with no alternative and no you know but their record of safety just there should be no support for this tunnel. It's ridiculous okay. Another issue that the legislature is dealing with. Which has absolutely no meaning other than symbolism and that is a bill that is being pushed by gun advocates which basically says. You can't even buy the guns back right. This is house bill. Five four seven nine at sponsored by state rep a net Glenn. She's from Midland The bill would make it illegal for any local units of government to use tax dollars to purchase firearms from individuals and organizations. So you city please. County County Sheriff's Department or your board of Commissioners or none of these people could purchase guns. They can only purchased firearms for law enforcement purposes and they must be acquired from a licensed dealer. So what this is doing is just sort of trying to stop a gun buyback program which is kind of silly and it's you know it's kind of harmful as well. I mean there are a lot of people just in my county alone who have inherited firearms over the years. You maybe don't want them and don't know what to do with them and wouldn't be able to go and sell them back through a program like this which you know. It works if accounting wants to do what they should do it by the way. This bill does nothing to stop a local efforts to create sanctuary counties guns so it's obviously not about a local issue local control of anything and. I'm pretty sure the government would veto at anyway if it got to her desk so it is basically symbolic as I see it but for me. The more important issue is it's a continuation of a trend of the legislature to take away the power of local governments and local electorates to control their own communities. They keep passing more and more preemption laws that say basically a local community can't do this can't do that. And it goes totally counter to the longstanding Republican philosophy of more local control unless state control all of a sudden. The idea of big state government appeals to them at least when it comes to making decisions on policy has been true for many years now they really have gone for big state or Bake Federal Control of everything and taking oil local control as as long as they had control of state and federal government. This week's work in progress report focuses on a growing housing crisis in Detroit. Issue is the availability of affordable housing for the city's most vulnerable residents low income families and persons with disabilities while talked with Ruth Johnson of the Detroit People's platform one of the activists who formed the Housing Trust Fund coalition. That's the HDFC. They're a group of advocates nonprofit organizations. Ruth Johnson at the core of any city is housing. You've gotTA HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. You've got to have quality housing or cities going to die in. Detroit and many other of our urban areas through Michigan. It's a real crisis. What is the housing trust? Fund coalition all about the Housing Trust Fund coalition was formed by Advocates Detroit residents in nonprofit organization to fight for an advocate for not just affordable housing but affordable for Detroit Reuters housing that is accessible saved in decent. How shortage the supply of housing fits that definition Ho? That's another story but a briefly I'd like to say we're talking about affordable and accessible housing. It is part of a larger conversation that includes about our tax for closures. The water shot off other things that has affected the housing stock. Detroit has always been known as the city of houses but now we're more than fifty percent renters. In some of the rental houses really is not decent safe or affordable and that is a problem even with the Landlord Registration Ordinance Enforcing so have a lot of people in Detroit either not suitable housing or paying too much for or it's not up to code. Dushi the solution to this problem is being primarily a local issue. Something that is a responsibility for city councils. For example not at all this is a federal stay regional as well as a city issue their problems and solutions on every level. One of the things that the Detroit affordable housing Task Force and Housing Trust Fund coalition though is focused on the city of Detroit because unlike other communities in the region the average median income for Detroit is much slower than surrounding area that Hud the housing and urban development of Federal Agency. The State of Michigan any of the city Detroit uses like sixty eight thousand dollars as the am I the annual meeting income whereas in Detroit household the income levels more like twenty three to twenty four thousand dollars. So there's a big difference between Detroit in other areas. How the trust work? So I'm very glad to say This was a big win for housing advocates in Detroit residents through the Housing Trust Fund coalition. We fought in one to get an inclusionary housing. Ordinance there several parts toward burst. It creates a affordable Housing Trust Fund so twenty percent of commercial property sales. Go into the fun and last year. Because of residents in advocates an additional two million dollars was appropriated or given into the fund from the city to get started. What that means is so a lot of these developments in sales of property will get twenty percent of those but the second part. I think it's also exciting. Is that it forms by the ordinance. An affordable housing task force the last residents of the city. Detroit who can advise the city on how these funds that go into the fund will be used in his targeting extremely low to low income households. So that is thirty to fifty percent of the again. It's the region's average median income. Yeah that's still not good but it's better than what we had. Before one created the fund it created the Task Force in the third thing is that developers are receiving certain levels of city. Subsidies have to submit unaffordable housing plan with their Plant THAT WOULD LOOK. At creating affordable housing units in tip percent of those units must be accessible in addition to being the American dream to be a homeowner. I've read several articles indicating that higher levels of home ownership translate into better communities that people take better care of their property they take more pride in their neighborhoods and that it has a ripple effect impacts crime it impacts economic activity it impacts the overall quality of life. Is that something that you're seeing? Well I don't talk about the American Dream Talk about individuals and families having opportunities and options supports and services to live in communities that are healthy safe and vibrant whether that's rental or whether that's home ownership I think it's also many ways that people can live well and right now. We don't provide those opportunities for a large number of detroiters but especially our most vulnerable residents again. People with very low incomes seniors and people with disabilities for the skeptics hearing this. I think it's important for them to understand so that you told me. And that is that the Housing Trust Fund. Coalition concept has been tried in has worked in other cities. Where's it been successful Philadelphia Pittsburgh? There's at least fourteen fifteen communities that have some sort of housing trust bug or funds are put into a pool and used for low income housing. How that's used as different with different jurisdictions I think important thing the FERENCI eight mayor Doug and talks about his affordable housing fund else. It's a whole new thing because his is private donors foundations giving money it. It's not targeting. The most vulnerable the most needful residents but instead it's incentivizing more luxury and high end apartments and housing units with a very few that's truly affordable and suitable because it's a one bedroom apartment or studio apartment three or four to manage that good question. Good question what do you see is the immediate future for the proposal for the Housing Trust Fund coalition? Do you see a sense of the part of City Council to make this happen. We're very thankful for the support of the Detroit City Council in Passing The inclusionary Housing Ordinance. That was a big win but that was only because of advocates nonprofits residents fighting for we are very thankful for leadership shown by President Pro tem. Mary Sheffield and in discussions with her. She's been very helpful for us to work out. How do we implement ordinance such as identifying? How much money is into fun and making sure that this task force has the information they need so they can give good recommendations and advice to the city for people that are more information on this issue. Where can they go? They can visit the Detroit People's platform website and get more information. Ruth Johnson. Thank you so much for joining us on the PODCASTS. Have a great day. And that's it for this week's polly cash will be back in a week. Hopefully we'll still have a couple of presidential candidates in a week for background information on this week's topics head on over to our website Michigan PODCAST DOT com. Yeah and feel free to give us your thoughts questions comments. You can insult us there or on twitter. If you want the email is Emma pollock cast at g mail dot Com and thank you for listening. We will talk to you in another week.
"Greetings everyone. This is Asian America, the Ken Fog podcast and I'm your host. Ken Phone Welcome to episode number two, hundred and fifty seven and our guest. This week is Helen lead. That's L. I not l. e. e. and Helen and I happen to virtually meet on a private facebook page called asian-american podcasters and I was one of the early members of that and it's pretty astounding how many he's Merck and podcasters they're out there or those who are in the midst of planning to launch one and Helen fit in the latter category and she happened to say that you know she was looking for some some mentoring some advice. Because she was up against a very big. Time deadline. Her whole point of doing this podcast was to stimulate API, young voters especially Jesse's to register and vote in this upcoming election and. Since we were both coming from the same side of the aisle that that really greased the rails for me iris-out to her and even though she's on the other side of the earth. 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We got another dog another puppy Corgi, and we named him Chemo and If you know anything about the breed, corgis are very intelligent, very active they are not sedentary people. And they really need to have their intelligence. Used every you know they need to use it and One of the ways is finding things in fetching things and and they need to exerciser they they. They just have all this energy stored up and the guy get it out, and then they take an APP and then they have more energy from the NAP. Well, the dogs are very different Kogi. She is very, very specific about what she will chase. They're like to maximum three balls. that she will chase you anything else and she'll just look at you like, okay stupid go get it right but. She will go and find if she can't see it. She will go and find one of her favorites and she'll bring it to you, and that's that Chemo on the other hand the puppy he's he's almost a year old. He's happy. Go Lucky and he'll basically fetch anything you throw I mean you could throw a bath towel and he would go get it and bring it back. So one of the things that I decided I wanted to teach him to fetch was a Frisbee. So I bought these two Doug Frisbees, they're hard plastic not necessarily the best thing for some dog's mouth, but he doesn't seem to mind at the PETSMART store these about nine ten inches in diameter and so It took him a maybe two three weeks to get to the point where he actually looks over shoulder as he's running in the direction, he sees your arm point. And if you do a decent throw, he will jump as high as British legs will take him and he will grab that out of the air in his teeth and bring it back you now well, the cute things. To see is to see this dog who's probably. Maybe eight inches tall at the shoulder bringing back this nineteen inch diameter hard plastic disk in his mouth A. Lot of times he steps on the edge and it falls out and then he has to pick it up again but he's determined because he he loves chasing this. He just really seemed to like tracking things that are flying in the air, and then you know give himself a chance to actually get it. So the other night after dinner as our custom I would. Throw one of Kobe's selected balls. Down this hill in our backyard and then grab one of the FRISBEES. And throw it in the other direction for Chemo and. Have a great time and. Chemo was catching like crazy and bring it back and catching like raise and bring it back and then on this latest throw I threw it. He went up as High Z could Katainen his teeth. And then as excitement and kind of running blind because of holding this, if you can imagine in his mouth sometimes it, it's sticking up vertically so he can't see where he's going. He happened to run right to a somewhat dry pile of dog poop I. Don't know if he did it or Kogi did it and I had seen it when we first started playing in normally I'm very good about finishing up the playing area, the playing field before we play but I just thought Oh you know I'm very accurate I'll throw it in. Both dogs they. They know where the poop is they could smell and they'll. They'll just avoid it but. I kid you not as soon as this enthusiastic will dog. Scattered the POOP with his paws he dropped the Frisbee. And gave me this look like. I've lost, I've lost motivation. I. I stepped in Poop. I can't play anymore. And then he just walked away. I could be reading into it, but normally, he would just come right back with that Frisbee and I've never seen him after a catch just drop it worry was and go in a direction not close to me. And I was thinking about this. There's a lesson there. And it might even tie into. This pending November election actually Sometimes you got to clean up the crap. The mess that is clearly there before you can just go on with your life before you can just enjoy life and play and I'm going to echo this week's guests Helen Lee. Old Or young if if you're eighteen or older, you'd need to be registered to vote in this election. And I mean first of all, it's it's a responsibility. So even if you're gonNA vote for trump okay. Just don't tell me. But. I would say, especially, if if you like many people even those who voted for trump twenty six few realized that he is just. He's just incapable of doing this job in. It's all about himself You know he we need. We need someone who's really going to be able to pull the country together and to lead us, and whether you liked vite Internet in the primary he is the other candidate and. We, got a vote. You can't think about you know what life is going to be like when the vaccine is finally here and working enough people take it you. You can't think about how the economies recover when you're gonNA take that the late trip. This crap on the field. And we're not even saying who did it. But it's gotTA. Get cleaned up. Before we can really play without distraction. So you know. My little puppy can understand that. He gets that and. I own it. That was that was my fault I. I should've could've cleaned up the mess. And it's did I ruined his day so. I do not want to have a ruined A. November four, th or A week after November third whenever we find out the official results. We. As a country have got to come together. Get Beyond Party and put Biden and Harris in place so that our country can begin to heal and unite and work together. To get us out of this morass that our current president has put us in because of all of his. His is narcissism in his. Inability to read and whatever you know so. I just want to give you that lesson from our dogs. Sometimes, life is pretty simple. The end up the mess. For you play. Or else you're GONNA. Really. Regret it. And now here's my conversation. With Helen Lee. Now. My guest. This episode is Helen Lee and Helen in a were brought together through think this facebook page the asian-american podcasters association as I think that's correct that you were wanting to start a podcast and I said Hey I'd be willing to talk to you and that's how it started and several weeks later my gosh this woman is a force of nature she has a staff of nine. She's got you know her website she got multiple episodes up but the first thing I want to talk about Helen is the fact that you were part of the just concluded last night Democratic National Convention all virtual for the first time. Welcome to the podcast and we wanna hear what that was all about. Yet thanks for having me can yes. Oh, my name is Helen I am from central Virginia went to school in Richmond Virginia. Rana area and then went to Washington University St Louis Missouri for Undergrad, and then afterwards I moved abroad four post Grad work. and was travelling during the time that the corona virus cove in nineteen broke out in ended up being stuck in Nepal by choice just due to the fact that flights were little. And I felt like it was safe to to shelter in place. So that's where I'm at right now and yes. So I. Got Involved during my time. Living alone during a pandemic with the organization Democrats abroad. Which helps a Democrat American voters abroad, which they are six point, five, million of US abroad. Technically a state hardy. So were the eleventh most populous state or twelfth most populous state if you look at numbers for voters and I got involved and I Iran to the delegates. To to represent. Voters abroad at the Democratic National Convention. So. That's how I became a delegate. It's a it was a process of me like talking to different electors around different parts of the world because of Americans abroad being spread out everywhere and then. Ran, in an election, where we use ranked voting became selected to be an at large delegate representing Senator Bernie Sanders to the DNC. At the time I won it was TVD. GO TO MILWAUKEE. and. So At the same time though as that's abroad, we are well well versed in the webinars well-versed in having communicate with different time zones and across borders and at a distance because of the nature of the organization, and so we were prepared to attend the Convention Online. As which they made the call eventually. So yeah, the past four days have been the Rapa of my work. And Yeah you want to ask a little bit more detailed questions about the DNC. Yeah well first of all, if if this were not a virtual convention in the past. Delegates like yourself was was the expense all paid for by each delegate I mean there's It cost someone to show up one of those things, right Right. So I think that's a great point you bring up Ken because I think, wow, this convention being unprecedented virtual online socially distanced I. think it might have been one of the most financially accessible conventions. I can a hundred percent say I would not have signed up to run and campaign to become a delegate for the DNC if we had not had this Special circumstance because usually for Democrats abroad, the actually meet at a global convention in a certain location and you have to frontload your money to fly out and meet together with this delegation of people and similarly if we were to represent. Voters abroad in Milwaukee will we'd have to fly back to Milwaukee and It's important to know that being a delegate while you are elected, you are not like it's a volunteer position you are not paid and so from what I've heard in the past for delegations that attended is. Once. You get elected. Some people have to start. Go find me's kickstarter bees for. Their costing like, Hey, like I'm attending this convention hotel costs are this Lukasz are this? Transportation costs are this and You know you don't want to go there and not like get some swag or something. Like a memory, right? Like these kinds of things all cost money and this time because everything had to be shelter in place for everyone. I didn't have to pay for a plane ticket So that was some savings and. That initially. It's weird if it's like a balanced right on one hand, it's a bummer I don't get to network in person I don't get to chat with people. There's something about being in the arena having an atmosphere on the other hand. It's a very contagious atmosphere like literally for germs. All right and. Yeah. So literally, such a dangerous during the coronavirus having you know thinking about the Democratic Party. In overall politics still being quite older there's a lot of immuno compromised people that are going to go and we cannot afford to lose leadership just like showing up to a convention in putting people's Health at risk. So having a convention being remote. More financially accessible. Definitely stay for call looking at the cases now. And they did manage to mail some like swag for us like US posters or pin or earth stuff but never got to me unfortunately. Well the Paul Paul his little a little distant right right so but that's kind of how the convention went and can if I can elaborate on this one component of the DNC that I found to be. The best part that came out of being virtual was the roll call I own. Absolutely I was I was choked up right right and I think it's important for people to know what the role wasn't the past. So usually a roll call is what it sounds like. You know year state delegation casting their votes and going up to the microphone in that being a really proud moment and but in reality like people gathering and being very loud and. You can't it takes hours. Wearing silly hat if you were to do it that way right and wearing silly hats like being Yeah. China. Get Yourself. Notice and I think this time what I got really emotional watching roll call because every state had almost equal time and what they did with the time was so significant because they had their home state to support them. We saw we saw Cal Amari House. We saw like the lake scenery we saw we saw like fields and we saw monuments like all we remembered America. The beautiful. Again, that's one thing and then to they were very strategic in getting. People on the ground to talk about issues they're passionate about. So we heard from teachers who are about to reopen schools are they're scared we heard from people who are activists we've heard from people who are farmers and facing climate change and those kinds of issues. Giving them time and space in the silence that a virtual convention gives is so important because I, I learned so much more about what America needs right now from that roll call that if it was person in more about who is louder than. The other person being heard and just because I want to add one more point on this. Sorry. is the fact that we heard from territories heard Salute Weather Mariana. Islands. American Samoa WOM WORTH RICO in Spanish. We heard from these people and when they talk they talk about how they actually don't have rights to vote for. President. Often, and that's why you should vote and I think seeing their culture being represented on the screen plus those words of Those territories almost never get represented in our politics on the congressional level and on public media. So for them to have their shining crowning moment is so incredibly important. Yeah, I also found it very meaningful that. The late Matthew Shepard's parents represented their state He was one of the first killed during a anti gay hate grime right and then Fred Gutenberg who's the father of one of the teenagers that was killed in the Florida school shooting So I felt like that was significant in even who is chosen. Bright Yeah, you know I mean strategic yeah. It was chosen and another. One Anchalee being able to see. Go ahead. Good. Sorry going well, what I'm what I'm thinking is from what I'm reading in my own response as well as my wife's I'm much older than you. I've seen many roll calls. And so I know what it was and I think going forward assuming that we get on top of this virus and we're able to hold another convention in four years I am hearing from a lot of pundits and just regular people that that was the best roll-call ever and they don't WanNa go back to the old way. Right, I think there's In Times of crisis everybody has to reevaluate their priorities and the way they do things and I think the Democratic Party was forced to reevaluate what it means to represent minorities and people and I think this roll call was. A huge. Step in the right direction. And I see the similarly to with like you know late like late night comedy they don't have audience anymore. So their jokes are much more serious than they hit much harder so you are really listening and I do miss gatherings I do miss being in crowds, but on the other hand I I do think that the DNC moving forward might reconsider how they do their convention even in person for years later because this was the most again most financially accessible and had a lot of representation. I will say the main critique though for a lot of the delegates was since everything's a Webinar, you really don't have a back and forth you you attend in a real convention you would attend the caucus like have some photos report building. But in a virtual convention, you are a passive like Youtube Video Webinar Zoom Webinar viewer. So, that was a little challenging. There were some chatterboxes apparently but most of the time it was very passive. Yeah. I think. Building on your. fact, that many of this of all the speakers didn't have an audience except maybe a cameraman sound person. I think it changed the nature of the speeches in it for the better. I think and I was listening to some of my favorite podcasts and some of these people are professional speechwriters for a lot of the previous candidates in previous elections and they were already. They were going doing their podcast before the DNC actually started this past Monday. But what they predicted was absolutely true that the speech writers and and the people giving the speech itself they actually contributed like didn't write in applause lines. that. That's classic like I knew Jack Kennedy. Believe me you're no Jack. Kennedy. And so it was much more conversational and and I think that was more powerful. You could relate to it. The speeches took much shorter time because there wasn't all this applause right and so I think that. That was much more impactful, right? And and I think the other thing talking about speeches there are a lot more regular Americans. Including last night the thirteen year old boy who had the stuttering problem. I mean, he just knocked it out of the park I mean he would probably never be allowed or invited to speak at a convention. So you know my hats are off to the people who produce this because yeah you know it had glitches. It wasn't perfect but they had to kind of really shift paradigms right Helen. I mean this is like we're not just doing the convention in Zoom like we we have to think out of the box like. What what? What are the ways that we need to really change the content and who gets to talk even the in the end? Were they Biden and his wife and Harrison her husband got they came out to the parking lot and there's fireworks going on and people are flashing hazard lights on their cars I. mean that was meaningful to someone had to think of that. And so are you cut out a little bit? Can You repeat the question? Yeah. Want saying that the fact that they had to think completely differently like this was not just doing the typical convention but on Zoom. and. My Hat's. Off To them because I think they pulled off an amazing job. Right. Right. I think something to consider also. I usually at conventions they have like they're like. Keynote like up and coming. Person of Party speak right like Barack Obama was prison two, thousand four. This, time they had like sixteen seventeen people speak. And I think that in you know they were people who are from local legislatures like I really think that they're trying to think about ballot races and how to win because they spread the spotlight so many people. And you know being DNC delegate we have these things, police breakfasts. So our delegation, every morning, I would be my evening, but it would be their morning in the US t we would have zoom call with some cool speakers. Into have chats about. what's going on at the convention issues. Americans. Care about and we had some calls with some of these speakers and. We I would not have known about them if the platform wasn't given to more people and wider range of people not just one. person they always rely on and I think that's really exciting because again, to win this election, you can't just have the presidency there needs to be accountability that needs to be down ballot states. So your local elections to. What do you think the impact of the whole four days? was I mean it felt like especially by highlighting some of the Republicans against trump like casick right and and what have you re crossroads? Yeah Right. So so some people found that corny but and I, I heard from some very, you know strong Bernie people that they were really upset that any of those Republicans against trump were given time right but but I get it I I feel like what the DNC decided was we have to reach the moderates. The, people who voted for trump and twenty sixteen. But now they're really having second thoughts the independence I mean the other the other progressive people and the Hardcore Democrats they're already on board. Do you feel like. They made that case. that's an interesting question. I. I didn't Instagram Live for my podcast fresh off the boat which I can talk about later with another delegate another fellow sanders delicate and I asked him on the instagram live I said. Do you think there are populations that the Democratic Party during this convention. Failed to recognize or did not. Reach out very well to more took them for granted and his analysis was. that. Yes. The party assumes progresses will be on board. And I think sometimes that can feel like they're taking their votes for granted. And there was a sense of being upset about the party. Trying so hard to scoop up the independence and the people who had voted for trump and twenty sixteen and not cater to the. Other people who've been doing a lot of work on the left. I think for me personally the impact of the convention in these days. I think it's a big coalition of people. We saw so many speakers and the overall message was unity and I think. They did a relatively good job in doing that I think it's going to be. something. You know I said this on the idea that I did but. I recently read this article about I forgot was it the economist or the Atlantic but radical presidents don't need to be the most radical. and. Why is that and why Joe Biden could be the most progressive president? You're not going to think logically that way, but he could because. People Assemble coalitions and checks and balances on the people in power, and if he is if he knows that maybe he's not the most healing candidate who came out of the primary and he needs to appeal the people then a lot. You're going to form a group of people to be elected not just him. And I think. That's where people are going to have a say hopefully in policy and then can be pushing for things that they think matter but haven't heard by the Democratic Party. I think give. I don't plan to watch the RNC, but I'm sure going to pick up the highlights. They're gonNA try to portray without a doubt Biden as the most progressive the most liberal. Democratic candidate to ever run for press right and I think there. There is some truth that during the DNC the the. Progressive positions he's already taken the green new deal for instance, right and getting close to Medicare for all they that the DNC kind of downplayed that and. So. Some people calling foul, right Especially on the on the far, right right. But you just watch next week There's no way. Though I think it's an extremist exaggerated going to be an exaggeration. There's no way that the GOP is going to not portray Biden as easing but a flaming liberal. Interesting even though like within the party, they don't know right right already what? I mean I think they're they're big conundrum as they don't know quite how to. Label Biden nothing sticks. So the fact that last night he knocked it out of the park in in his closing acceptance speech I mean they had already set such a low bar that he has mental incapacity mental deficiency clearly, that's not the case. And that and then and the content of what he said I mean he made it very clear choice i. think that was true throughout the DNC all the all the big speakers. They're saying you know. And it's not just a referendum against trump it's like Biden represents. Not just decency but experience and. Unifying force in bringing us back together I mean what know what I heard was democracy is at stake, right? Right, right. Yeah I think the word you bring up decency has been brought up throughout the entire campaign trail. I remember when people to Judge Jala Hera's like. All these people dropped out all of their instagram posts for like I believe Joe Biden does a decent man and I think that's a big message they're trying to send but I think another message they they really tried to. Lay Down was. During a pandemic when people are losing their lives, you need an empathetic president. And that's why when you when you hear Joe Biden speech because I think Joe knows that. He's not like Barack Obama in terms of charisma or he's not like. Going to rain in like young voters, just like Bernie Sanders may be did. But one thing that he has experienced is loss in his life. With his his first wife and. His son Beau and This sense of loss and I felt the most powerful part of his speech. Was Him describing what grief looks like? and. How it can feel like a hole in you and you don't know how to replenish it and how that does to your entire state of. Looking out on life and what to do, and then he tried to take the grief and the sorrow and the loss of hope that a lot of American feels right now and say, Hey, like. We need to turn it around in. Here's how and We must vote in November in order to turn it around and I think that's a huge strength fat not only he portrayed but also previous speakers before him they all tell personal stories. About how Joe Biden left like his personal number two like text these people. Were really looking out for them or even I remember the story about like a woman in an elevator introduced the nomination. Right right and so these stories are what they're trying to do is paint a contrast between Joe Biden and. The current administration because feelings and hope and empathy have people felt like that's been lost for so long. One of the things I remarked every night of of the DNC to my wife is I'm trying so hard to imagine what the arms he's going to be like. Because, for instance, how are they going to talk about domestic violence and sexual abuse? Are they when when the president himself is guilty right I'm trying you know Mulanje our current first lady is going to be given a chance to speak. Well that's not a fair comparison Michelle Obama Oh my gosh right. But but it's like wh- what Milan all about you know be best right Do the backstory to humanize president trump the way they did for Kamla and Joe Right. It's just like he tried to portray himself like that in two thousand sixteen, but he's clearly not. Coming. Up. From nothing. Right, and I think what's going to you know I I don't know about you can. But I often ask myself if Cova nineteen didn't happen. Would the ties turn so fast. I to be fairly it's unfortunate this crisis happening but I don't I don't know and I think of what the RNC's going to be like next week in my prediction is it it's going to be a blame game her probably on. China probably that's kind of been the history of the administration and while there were definitely faults on that side. I'm not going to disagree about the response time but on the other hand, you being be administration of this country, the United States you you had so much time to like. Handle it and save lives at this point and I think that the RNC's going to probably do some sort of blame game probably talk about. Like you said, maybe the the Joe Biden is to Socialists. Or even attack Joe Biden saying that they've abandoned their own progressive branch of their own party. So. that's kind of the strategies I envision in but in terms of like. The ways in which they're going to portray electability. I feel like there. That's really. Show that's really hard. Even even the deflecting and blaming last night after you know the the end of the DNC. Multiple Fox News anchors said Biden hit it out of the park. Right so so that you know that's problematic already The other thought I had is We're definitely going to get the sense that Hunter Biden is running for president next. Week. because I think that's part of yeah you watch they're going to try to deflect. Here's the problem in twenty, thousand, sixteen trump hadn't been president, and so he can say whatever. will now almost four years later it's on his watch all this stuff happened and and to your point you know. As. Much as I appreciate a robust economy I kept thinking you know if the economy is quote unquote doing welfare bunch of people. When November comes around is going to be a tough tough battle K.. I didn't predict no one could have predicted the pandemic but I think you're right. I think you're right the fact that had happened and the fact that it's been so mishandled mismanaged. You can argue, well, it's the governor's responsibility, but there's been no federal. Coordination Right He. He's politicized wearing of masks and it's going to magically disappear when the weather gets hot. That kind of stuff that's all on trump and I think you're right next week, they're going to try to shift shifted to how you know there was no test testing that was happening during the Obama Zach, we didn't have Kobe nineteen during the about right. So I think they're just going to be throwing up the same kind of. That they they've been doing for the last three and a half years. But I think given. Well, here's the other thought the fact that the Democrats went first. And kind of created this this paradigm of virtual. Very, human and humane, and empathic all the words that we've been saying sort of a convention. On the one hand the RNC has to be careful that they don't look like they're just trying to copycat version but even if the try it's going to look so fake Yeah I hadn't thought about like it's always like I remember like in class when teachers like do you WanNa go first like in presentations at everybody would like yes. Yeah. Because like the standard is low. and. Yeah, it's GonNa be really hard to follow bad just because people are going to compare everything to their. If if be you know, it's also insane to think about I don't think the RNC I don't know what they're. I remember the original dates being July, and because of the pandemic they've had to push back and so all of this. Coming as we go like these things are unfolding in front of us is really hard to predict. And with everything happening with the USPS right now and Loading being a challenge like. They're so much. This is not over after the DNC over there is like a lot more work to do to ensure things go smoothly this November. Yeah I think that's a great segue to talking about fresh off the vote, your your new podcast. because. You're from one understand Helen you've launched this podcast and assembled your team. And it's a very time specific guests. We talked about this in our first conversation that you're really aiming to get the vote out from November third. So why did you start this and why target API young voters. Right so I guess why start something? Well, it comes out of this sense of. What's out there like content that's out there I think within the podcast space there are definitely a ton of API related podcast. Focus on parallel topics with us like I know model majority podcast, they have reformer Obama staffers, doing commentary and. A lot of these young people in high school or Saudi podcast to amazing what they're doing nowadays. But I I. Yeah. I started the podcast because I felt like. There's curiosity by API's to get involved, but the issues are not laid out very clearly. And we are such a diverse group of people. And Me Myself. I have been questioning whether to use the label AP API because we're so diverse but I tell myself like they're six percent of the population, we don't have much for separated. But yeah. So I started podcasts to to. To have conversation with. Gen millennials about civic engagement in politics amongst Asian, American Pacific Islanders because. I. Think it's not something at least my parents talked extensively with me about and. One of my role models is hustled hodge, which unfortunately this week you found out his show, the Patriot Act was canceled by net flicks. his talk show which was amazing. Yeah. So he's my role model and I would love to meet them someday but the podcast itself kind of models after the sense of their issues, let's deep into one issue and one podcast episode. So our podcast again, get out the vote increase if they can gauge Asian Americans with two styles of episodes. One is more focused on educating and being a topical focus. The others we occasionally release bonus episodes in these bonus episodes more roundtable table, more raw conversations that people want to hear and I'll give you an example. We recently did an episode on affirmative action and proposition sixteen in. California. So we had one episode focused on. What are the facts? Let's talk to an expert lay down misconceptions etcetera, and then we had a round table for a bonus episode with high schoolers who are applying to college. And that conversation is so different when you're going through applying to higher education. So I think those kinds of conversations are missing within the podcast base. And that's where I wanted to contribute. But on the other hand, I think what's been really lovely is. I tell my team members it's about the podcast, but also it's about us as the team learning together. Because all of them when I made the initial facebook posts because can you tell me to make the? I. Can't do this. Helen you gotTa Post and so I did and people started me and they were like, well, unlike not super involved with politics. My background's in like things like, oh, consulting landscape architecture design but I wanna get to know more about this topic myself through this process and I think it's been really awesome us together as a collective learning along the way more about these issues that we aren't seeing talked about. Yeah, and I want to give a shout one of those people Angela saying. Apparently, she listens to our fight. CAST. So. I mean, that's I love the intersection, right Just how we help each other out and we discover common touch points. Right right. Yeah and Kinda speaking on common touch points. It's. Part of I'm realizing this. Responsibility that comes with having even a small platform like our podcast because WHO's ever who who is at the table determines what story is told absolutely, and we've done the yeah we've done a lot of reflection on. Are we allowed to embrace saying that we represent acidic islanders because. Our team is mostly not Pacific Islanders and. Are we you know. Is is the term Asian American erasing a lot of the nuances and I, made it really appoint from the beginning telling my team and I'm still learning this as well. We have to diversify our storytelling and that comes with pitching stories that. FEATURE COMMUNITIES THAT MAY NOT BE Talked about or if we're in a community, our listeners can then learn more about segments within and one of the prime examples is our on our launch date. We launched an episode we did one episode on. College voter. Suppression then we did a second episode on the Small Third Party called the Aloha Party in Hawaii. And they just became a legitimized party this past spring they ran some candidates for their primaries in Hawaii and there founded by three. Native. Hawaiian Identifying people and those stories are. Not In the mainstream because just you know do to everything that's happening and. I was really surprised to win. We release that episode and we got some feedback like, oh, I had never heard about this and. Thanks for sharing about Hawaii Hawaii has a special place in my heart and hearing those words come from these people who we didn't really know that shows that these stories need to be told and whoever is at the writers table director's table needs to think intentionally about what platform you have and what stories you tell. Yeah I mean we're going to run your episode next week and the following week we're running a one with his Vietnamese American because you know our podcast feels the same kind of tensions, a lot of East Asian representation, right and this guy had written an op Ed for CNN several weeks ago and he was basically trying not to sound too partisan but he was kind of reaching out to Vietnamese Americans over fifty who typically are anti-china anti-communist and trying to make the case why this election they can't just look at that and vote again for trump. And so I out to this guy and his was balcony view and this guy served in the Bush administration right? He he was actually an elector for the State of Georgia and twenty? Sixteen. When. Then candidate trump had made fun of that South Asian Goldstar family and he said this is ridiculous and so he said I can't promise and I as an elector that I'm going to vote for trump as he got slammed. So he he resigned and now he's like the deputy vice chair of elections and registration for the state. And he is one of those never trumpers now and and so it's like, wow, that's a really interesting store. We don't typically have on our podcast and and I wanted to help him get it out there right and he goes well, I'm just touched it someone out there read myopic. Yeah I mean actually I would love to get advice while we're having this conversation of how do you? Think about who you invite on the show and the intentional about storytelling because I think we're running into on our team in, and this is I'm going to describe how our team works right now. So the way as of right now as of this August date, the way we run is we have a team of actually more than ten people and. We have people work on, you know outrage marketing, content, development, audio editing, etc. But if you have an idea for an episode, you pitch it to the team. Once we green light it, you contact gas make arrangements and work with the scripts and so anyone on the team can push for a topic and that matters because. You know. I can't you know I'M GONNA burn out if I'm the only content developer that's one thing. But on the other hand like the stories and perspectives people bring like. We're going to do an episode, Kamla Harris Soon and about. Her south. Asian heritage and what it means for like is representation activism like being a major thing we talk about and then someone else you know that end then someone else on our team who just joined her major sports management and that influencing you know, Oh, thinking about the athletes right now who aren't playing in conferences because of Covid, how can we reach out to them and they have a huge influence? How can they increase voter participation and their influential circles? And so having. Our team dynamic be that way I think produces a lot of variety of episodes. cognizant of our limits until I want to hear more about you can't how do you decide? The guests that come on and. Are you know how do you increase the diversity of? People. I mean you've been doing this for. So as to someone just starting out. I love to hear more. Well, that's a great question Helen I I would say it's different because I'm the primary content developer I don't have a team per se we do have. Guests or potential guests that are recommended by listeners, and so we take those seriously and we do a little vetting and. there's that but as far as I because I am kind of a team of one mainly. It's really on me to be much more broad scape in what I read what attention to or. Trying to get help. In finding out what some of my blind spots are. So, definitely bringing you on. Here's great example You know I saw your little first. Introduction of yourself on the Asian broadcasters facebook page and I thought. Wow. Now here's here's a whole demographic kind gen Z. that I think we need better representation and This Helen seems to be a mover and she's getting things done and I like her energy and I'm going to reach out to her. That's kind of how that happens. There's there's another segment that has. to our delight, which is There are publishers of Asian American writers. Authors and stuff that have now come to see us as a good way to market their books, and so they'll reach out to us and You know some of these books I would've normally paid attention to I'm reading one now by south. Asian woman of two collection of short stories that I haven't read a collection of short stories in forever right and it's like, oh, but it's through South Asian American. Lens I. This is very different, right so so I'm constantly trying to push the boundaries on myself and and. So, that I guess on that actually kind of makes me think and and really ask questions because I really have questions and I think that's helpful for a lot of the listeners because they get to learn along with me. Yeah Yeah I really liked the way he put like learning along the way because it were far from perfect and it's a constant process and I really admire how you stuck to the podcast over the years just because. You know the I I used to be really confused about. You know having a support of ethnic space that makes any sense but to see how people can encourage each other people you know being the first ones to read the books by these authors like you said, that is incredibly supportive and. I. Hope we can learn, but we just had like an outreach meeting today actually started talking about like. How can we grow our listeners and who'd be interested in our podcast, and if our goal is to get out the vote like we need to get more listeners because we can't just keep circulating the same information throughout our own circles, right right and so definitely have a lot to learn from you. I, mean. That's another. Criteria that I picked some guests is like. This guest potential guest have circles that we haven't penetrated with our podcast, and if we bring them on and it's a good, it's a good conversation and they share it within their circles. Is that GONNA help us to some degree I think it always does. Now you know in your case, you're really looking at a young adult API demographic. I I would think you know some of the. Some of the places in social media where the exist. If you haven't penetrated them yet you know and and Kinda put it out there that you exist I would strongly encourage that. I think during this shutdown that a lot more people are listening to podcasts just. Because they got a lot of downtime. So. Yeah. I would think your mission is vital is to increase the percentage of young adult Api Gen Z. People in this upcoming election. You're definitely a Democrat that's another reason why I'm having you on. The, because we want the same thing you know and and I think the other thing that really sold me on bringing you on and and helping promote your worth is you're a Bernie backer and yet you. In right on the Biden, harassing I. I'm part of other little social networks. Bernie. Backers are so pissed off still and they're not happy with the Harris pick that they're just saying they're going to sit out right and I have to just bite my tongue because I don't WanNa, make them any matter than they already are. It's okay to feel. Upset and be in grief and and that kind of stuff but there's another part of me. Helen does it's like. Okay. Got, it Bernie's endorsed you know Biden I mean we have to join forces. There's one job it's November third we have to stop a second term. Because he's going to be trump is gonNA be unchecked, right? So I thought wow, I want to hear from someone like you who maybe you went to your anger and your grief but now you're all on board and and you know talk a little bit about that. Because I think that younger demographic that was really excited about Bernie you're trying to reach them and get them excited about Biden What's that all about? How's that worked in? So I'm, GONNA shift from like the podcast since I don't want to speak on behalf of our entire team I think that's something we slowly discovered is while we all are relatively progressive, but there are still some nuances and part of a challenge of being a team manager is understanding those folks how we work together to learn. But to speak to your topic of. Yeah I know. I. Don't I'm GonNa I. Don't think I expected these results from primaries to come out this way and nobody expected the pandemic to cut the primary short. Not that they were cut but like the way that I think Bernie gracefully dropped out. During a pandemic when dancing and voting hard I think that definitely the People's health was on his mind But in terms of how to get people on board I, have that challenge now because I do do now some work with Democrats abroad and our goal is also to get out the vote amongst American voters abroad and they're if if you notice during roll call. I think Democrats abroad was the only delegation that had more Bernie. Van. Vitamin. That's, true. Well. That and. Her Mont-. Yeah Yeah, in Vermont, you know Brenes. I think Bernie was low key in the back Bernie. His wife are both standing there. They were both standing there. Yeah, and so kind of noting there is this tension of people who were. So hopeful when we had twenty people going to the primaries and feel so. I wouldn't say disappointed is just like. Anna confused about the results that happened. But at the same time, you know I mean, I talked with a Lotta people who live abroad and their viewpoints on be more pro Bernie comes from their experiences of living in other countries where health care. Pensions are different. And they look to They look to Lake America they're like why or do you like this up. So. That's kind of weird. Their experiences are coming from. It's coming from living abroad. It's coming from seeing other countries and their systems seen foreign policy on the ground being enacted. In terms of like. You. Know I actually WanNa go and see what happened at the convention or like I say at. Virtual. Online. I don't know if you heard about this but since the convention is over and I do want to raise awareness of just what happened like talent like what I heard what happened was. The what we do as delegates as we vote on three things, we vote on the candidates we vote on the platform and vote on a resolution. We during the pandemic, we send the ballots appea- copy to our a state party whips and they send them in. That's how we voted. That was our that was the bare minimum participation as a delegate. and. A lot of people were talking about was the. The Medicare for all and whether it was included in the platform and people being upset that like many many states, thirty four states or thirty eight states have ratified that in their own state resolutions by the national didn't include more explicit language about Medicare for all and. So what happened was the Nevada delegation of delegates started a petition of A. Vote. No, on the Democratic National Popcorn. And I think repetition got like a thousand signatures I'm not I'm not sure ultimately what happens with the numbers but I do know that in our delegation for Democrats abroad we had almost I think all of our Bernie supporters are Bernie delegates and some are Biden delegates no on the platform. And that. Is someone told when I was running to the a delegate can someone told me you being delegates very transient? You have actually very little power. and. What you're really bear to understand how the DNC works how your institutions work in push for institutional change you know who gets to make the rules who gets to go into the primaries. Who was in leadership? Those are all things that. are more sustainable. That's what came out of two, thousand, sixteen in two, thousand. Eighteen Unity Reform Commission. WAS, a change in super delegates voting was this. You know push for democratizing the process even more with doing away. caucusing, doing more pushing towards primaries, which allows for people who don't have to take time off of work to cast their ballots incentive like gathering in one place, which is not feasible for a lot of working class people. So I think now there's a discussion of after the Convention Know Okay Great we love it. Let's go back to procedures and you are they going to release the platform votes. How many people voted for and against it? Are they going to because technically within the rules this is getting technical but if a certain percentage of people vote. One way there needs to be like a minority report issued. About this topic or. And I think that's where a lot of Bernie delegates feel like while we do support the candidate, it's important. We hold our institutions accountable. the party accountable and I think you even saw that within the DNC with Ao see Alexander Cortez. Casting horror nomination vote for Bernie Sanders. And people like Oh why she doing that? That's like distracting. It needed to be done because that's what the rules and procedures said. And Yeah. So I think everybody's like Oh, like Bernie supporters are very disappointed, they're not going to like beyond board. I think. At least from the Bernie supporters that I talked to it's about the institutions accountable and as Bernie said, it's not me us right and so it's not just like one person. It's like a whole entire group of people move in down ballot races for progressive policies in local elections and a lot of that is definitely. Having to do with holding institutions accountable once they get elected. Pushing them, I. Think. That's what I heard from after the convention I went on July. And I saw Alison Doco Cortez her live and she talked about. Part of being. Civically engaged is challenging even the people that you have elected. Because, you got to keep them on their toes. They represent a you. I. Think going forward the potential for vitamin. D. Be Open to those challenges I, mean he he over and over again said he listens and you know other people who've worked with them says, yeah he's a really good listener the fact that he early on with South Carolina really sewed up the primary I mean most people who've kind of nailed it. Before they're officially nominated Dale in this listen and changed their platforms right. But Biden listened and he I think he understood that there was a huge bunch backing sanders and so he had to listen to Sanders and I think you know some of the changes and that's why this is the most progressive platform going forward. It may not be progressive enough for some people here. Here's my my ultimate take Helen I feel like. I was a big Yankee supporter in the beginning. I didn't think he was going to have a chance to last as long as he did. So when he dropped out by the time, the California Primary came voted for Warren Okay I don't think that Bernie. Would have as good. A chance as Biden because Bernie is to the left of Biden and in order to beat trump, which to me is job one, two, four, five, six, two, thousand. in order to be trump, we had to have someone who people who were more middle and maybe even a little right of middle could could say I could vote for that guy right and I think that's what we're seeing and and at the same time that Guy Biden. You know in picking a woman of color. And certainly one who's imminently qualified and experienced. That's just one more piece of evidence that yeah. He's not Bernie Sanders but I think he's more electable you know in in this particular. Contest and that's what we need. But at the same time I think he he already has demonstrated that he's open to bringing more progressive things into his platform and I think that it's a hundred percent appropriate that assuming he wins. That the progressives who helped elect, him are going to continue to hold him accountable. Rate, and you you you see again, people are concentrating on Joe Biden because yes, that is an important office but like Corey Bush in Missouri just recently won and. Remembering that she was an activist in Ferguson. Back. Back in two, thousand, fourteen, two, thousand, fifteen, that time period, and. Considering the fact that. She did not accept like big donor donations and she one challenge like. An incumbent who had been there for a while like those are also racist that matter absolutely and I I you know to the people who are perhaps. The the sanders wave of a allies I. I would say think of all of the smaller races across the country that are happening. And the policies that you're pushing for it would be great if they are on a national agenda but on the other hand like local lawmakers do what time to and so think of all of these down ballot races and all these other places and. Concentrate on that because. You're probably going to be more impacted re realistically by a lot of your local laws on a day to day basis. Yeah, and I think. The democratic. Party. Has Been Remiss the last couple of decades compared to the gop they focus a lot on local races and governorships, and they juryman gerrymandered districts and and all that of stuff and and I think the Democrats really made a huge mistake and I think we're trying to correct that right now. and. I think you know in the in the broad sense back to your podcast and what you're trying to. See Happen here. I think the API voting block. It really needs to step up and vote because otherwise the politicians are just gonNA ignore us on whatever level and and even see people run for office and we're seeing that happening more and more. How can people find out more about your podcast? Rate So you can find out more from fresh off the votes that is fresh off the the OT votes dot COM We have our team members airy. Have what we're all about. We have our list of episodes. We actually just today like like as a rea- recording, we just released an episode about the DNC had to episodes on the DNC was what is the DNC? What is? A convention are, do they still matter and interviewing delegates young API delegates? That's another thing we talked to a I guess, and then our episode today focuses on their personal stories what motivated them to run what do they do in community organizing on a state federal local level and it's one of the most inspiring up. So I think we've created just because such role model energy from all these young people. So, yeah. Check out those episodes Ron spotify apples stitcher. Listen to podcasts and I think another thing I do WanNa. Push for and it's part of. This process can of recognizing the value of your work. I we have donate button on our website. We if you like our content, if you could support us at grassroots podcast, it's trying to do good work and civic engagement we lost by me a coffee. Where you can contribute a little if you consider one of the episodes to be one of your favorites and that goes a long way for us. So I WANNA say like I really appreciate my team and all the work they do. They're incredible people and listen to her episodes, welcome feedback and bias a coffee Also, we are open for collaborations. If you're you know if you're an organization that is thinking about a topic that is so not talked about in our elections and you want more awareness of it, approach us. Send, send us an email at pr at fresh off the boat dot com and we can chat further Yeah. So that's kind of how to find out more about our podcast. While listeners. If you're older than Gen Z. I. already listen to discern episodes and it's just encouraging to hear this younger generation of API's who are Democrats and really trying to you know make make November third. A real watershed moment for our country in the world But I would also say listeners if you've got adult children or they've got young adult children themselves. At high recommend that you pass along this link for shop the vote Dot Com just because We all benefit when we get educate, we educate ourselves and and certainly get motivated not just to vote on November third to vote early and to vote correctly. But also to kind of keep spreading the word among other people. especially. API We really need to get the vote out. I'm working with the group Hillen, every Wednesday morning with Biden's director of faith leaders and we're API group and we're starting. Planning for a series of town halls for API. Christian leaders. To you know on various topics, mental health economy immigration. So, they're all these little pockets of things happening and. A lot of times. We don't know about each other and what we're doing, and so definitely we know more I'll definitely pass along some information so you can cross. Promote it but we need to help people wake up to see what's really happening where things have been going and that we can make a difference. So you are difference maker. Thank you so very much for all that you do in such distant land. I'm just amazed by who you are and what you're able to accomplish is given those limitations. I think your someone to keep an eye on I think maybe even running for office is in your future someday I wouldn't be surprised I would be one of your big backers. But in the meantime, keep doing what you're doing. Bless you for that. Thank you for that and. We will get the word out on what this podcast is. All about right. Thank you so much can in the last thing I want to plug you WANNA. Plug is if you have not registered to vote please if you have not registered to vote freeze request your ballot and ice status as a voter abroad where we have a lot of challenges getting our ballots back. Checkout which of your states there's around twenty five or twenty six states that still to this point you have to mail in your ballot, you can't email it right A challenge for a lot of abroad voters So my word to people who are back in the states check your keep updated about the rules for. Ballots your mail imbalance and communicate with your local election registrar I use the cycle boat from abroad dot org to. I Tie Myself Kim five minutes, forty nine seconds. So registered vote and my local county registrar email me back in four days. It was like this is just to confirm that we've received. You know that took only that amount of time and I have their e mails I can reach out to them. Do that now be prepared because this election with the pandemic with the US situation with who knows what's going to happen before November third We will have a tough time getting ballots in it's just going to be US having to do the homework the groundwork beforehand. So check if you're registered and somebody told me, this is a five accountability challenge where you and four of your other buddies you five as a pod. Hold each other accountable make sure you registered to vote and keep in touch with each other. So crepeau support structure so that voting is going to be like a burden. It's going to be like something you're excited about even during these really unprecedented times check in with each other registered vote. It's so incredibly important and also felt the census. That too, and I would say if. If, Biden. Doesn't win by a landslide. Trump is already saying he's GonNA contest the results. and. So even with all the possible Obstacles that he's trying to put in place of getting all the votes in and counted I mean we have got to inundate the ballot box with our votes. Right, I was told you can't just win by like two percent this time you gotta like when one by quite a margin and I recommend the Constitution itself is not that long. I did I did a great class in high school call we the people the citizen in the constitution where we focused a lot on the constitution and my specialization with bill of rights and I recommend people to read the document about the executive branch and About transitions of power about checks and balances. because. That's a lot of it's like a in danger right now. So read up on it. No, you're yes before. Before this election. So many things. So many important vital things that we need to be about. Let's not take what we have for granted. Let's not take democracy for granted and. Thank you again, Helen. One day we will actually meet in person and In the meantime I will make a donation to support your work and thank you again for being willing to carve out some time in fourteen hours ahead of us in politics. And it's like, yeah, I should be going to bed. It's great to chat with you ten. It's great. I really enjoyed this conversation and Yeah hopefully, we can meet in person one day when everything safe. Absolutely That he said. Auto. Racing. Shot to be. Say. Asia America. The Kampong podcast is directed by Ken Fong and produced by Ken Pong and Allison chain. Special. Thanks to Tim be told off white and big phony for allowing us to use their music in this podcast. For more information about any of the guests appearing on this show visit www dot Asian America podcasts, Dot Com. You can subscribe to this podcast by going to our website I tunes spotify or most major podcast platforms if you like what you hear please share this. With your friends and rate and review our podcast on itunes. 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