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164: The Bensalem Abduction

The Confessionals

1:30:23 hr | 2 years ago

164: The Bensalem Abduction

"The this was all circulating around the base that a giant kill almost talk about they saw free long going fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappeared when he came over to dude he slithered over to make and this giant comes out with all frozen and he starts running firing up the giant giant move running really fast spheres then try this. Somebody else shoot him. Shoot him in the face it basically potato take dot dot com when you go about the way that for about blow the hello something pulling at my leg and I looked over and there are two mall gray and and they're literally. I'm getting pulled that reese my Bush and touch bear couldn't breathe couldn't move because I know see monster the yup welcome to the show everybody. You're listening to the confessionals specials. I'm your host Tony Miracle. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or story you'd like to share with me on the show. Go ahead and shoot me an email. My email addresses the confessionals podcast DJAMIL DOT COM. That's confessionals podcast at gmail.com or go the website the professionals podcast dot com hit the contact section and you can reach that way as well. I that works for me just get older and if you're interested in having more shows per week go to the confessionals podcast dot com and hit the joint button and become a member we put out an extra show oh every Thursdays for members only so if you're interested in that go ahead and check it out so we got a cool show coming up here for you guys this week. We have amy coming on the show show and she's a local woman to me. She's from the Bensalem area and I've talked about Bensalem before on this show. We're talking about today where I saw a foe in Bensalem and actually no no. I didn't see the UFO and Bensalem. I read about the phone. Ben Salem and I saw the outside of Benfield anyways. We're bringing amy on the show and I'm really excited about having her talk about. I her experiences because it's going to be talking about different abduction scenario. She's been through an even things taking video of her with her phone while she's sleeping very very trippy stuff. I'm really excited about it but before we get to amy we're going to bring on. Scott here because Scott and I are working on a collaboration where we're going to bring into US starting starting today. The confessionals beard oil series so Scott. Hey doing man I'm doing man. I'm doing good. I'm really excited about these beard oils. I I when I first started the podcast huge beard and I did. I was a judge in different competitions. I entered my beard and competitions. I reviewed beard oil and bathrooms and things like that. I was always in fact when I started the podcast I had a huge pile of boxes stacked against my wall in this room right now of products that I was supposed review and I never did never did never got around to it but either way I was really heavy in the beard game and I always wanted to I have my own beard oils and so you contact and you're like hey man I gotta I just found out about your you know love for beards and I have a company and Yeah I'd love to work with you on something. I could send you products. Check out and I said yeah go ahead. Send it over and beyond that you Scott I after reviewing so many products you get used to the fact that most products suck you know like most products they do. They suck either. It's either they have awful sense bad marketing or the the quality of the product is bad. You know so it's like if you have good quality sometimes the sense suck and the marketing sucks. Maybe the marketing is great but the the quality audie sucks in the sense sucks to hit. All three is very rare and so you send me the stuff and like okay you know. I didn't think anything of it. I got the package and I SIP or a couple of days because I was like I'm busy when I opened that up and I saw the different sense that you had. I was like holy crap like the marketing itself just stood out to me. Yeah I mean it was unbelievable. The marketing aspect of these things so what you sent me where four different sense one was called morning Joe and you designed it to look like a a starbucks logo and I was like that's cool and then there was one that was called the fade which is like a barbershop look to it and then there's the bubble are there was what double-trouble Bubblegum I'll tell you what man I was really impressed with the marketing aspect of things I like well. He hits the marketing but we'll see about the scent when I opened the bubble gum. It's I was like I wanted to. I wanted to taste it like that's how good it snowed and I was like holy crap and I went through these sense and they all all smell mazing like the morning. Joe Literally smells like coffee. I was like holy and so I wanted to ask Scott before we get into. The sense thinks that we're going to be launching for the confessionals. How did you get involved in making beard oil well. It was kind of a It's it's been kind of a long journey to be honest. I was I got interested. I found some products on Amazon or something like that and I've always grown kind of Apache beard so I was looking looking for products that would help fill in some some areas and maybe take care of some work that genetics down but everything I tried. I don't know it just didn't work or or the sense we're all generic and everything smells it a pine tree type thing and so I don't know I just did some research and found out the the big carrier oils get ingredients and stuff to news and I wanted to kind of create something a little stepping outside the norm as far as you know sent profiles and stuff of that nature does so it's been about a year and a half now and I don't know doing well absolutely man so what the audience is getting through this show is beard oil three cents and the sense our dog man sasquatch and Specter and I'm telling you do like I didn't have any doubt in my mind that you'd make a good product with with my face on it with the logo but when you send it to me to try I was blown away and so my two favorite is sasquatch and dog man those are my two favorites cents and when I first smelled them SASQUATCH was my favorite and then I didn't try sasquatch watch on though I just smelled it and then I try and actually put the dog man on and I was like Oh this is great. This is my favorite and then I put the sasquatch on later and my wife smell the sasquatch on me and she's like Oh. I really like that not became my favorite then the wife likes it then I love it so yeah and so that's the thing I mean with these sense. I mean people that are listening. You're you're not. GonNa put these on feel like you just walked out of a dumpster. You know if you're you get the SASQUATCH like it's not like you just rummaging through you know trash and you're going to smell like a big big foot or you know dog man. You're not going to smell like a wet dog walking around the house you know so it's more than names attributed to the show show the most stuff but these things smell great and I'm really excited about it so if people are listening are interested if you've got a beard you're definitely we're. GonNa try these products okay and there's guys that I know have you know big long beards and they're like Oh. I don't put anything in my beard well. You're silly then because because your wife would really appreciate if you took care of your facial hair because do you wash your hair yeah. Do you take care of your hair. Yeah well you take care of your beard hair as well and so that's that's that's my pitch to people. Never I came across people because they're like Oh. Why do you review products. I'm like well because I have a beard and I use products and they're like you actually put stuff in your beard. I'm like yes like it's like asking me. Do I wash my hair. You know guys if you got a beard. You're definitely going to try these beard oil sense and ladies if your man has a beard definitely buy these for his birthday. Christmas is coming up right around the corner and if you don't know anybody the has a beard and you don't have a beard by for yourself because I'm telling you these sense smell so good Scott. Would you say that you could actually take these oils and put them. I'm an oil burner and have as a fragrance in the house and that's what I've been telling people. Would you back me up on that or no yeah absolutely I actually I do it myself since I'm that's what I'm saying man like I wouldn't recommend that for all beard oils but for this I was like holy crap. You'd literally have oil burner and it would make the house house smell amazing and so you know even ladies if you want grow the hair on your legs in your armpits and telling you you're not going to be disappointed but I just wanted to Scott. Thank you so much for coming at me and asking me to be part of this because I'm I'm just this literally was a dream. Come true for me like I can't tell tell you how much I've always wanted to have my own sent line and I finally have it. Thanks to you and I really appreciate it and I'm really excited about dropping these so they are on sale right right now October first two thousand nineteen so if you want to get a look at the beard oils that we're coming out with go to the confessionals podcast dot com hit the store button and and scroll down to the bottom you'll see the sense right there and when you click the images to go ahead and purchase your beard oil ill redirect you to Scott's website and Scott. What is Your Website Anointed Aka Dot Com anointed AK DOT COM and there you'll be able to purchase any of the sense and go ahead and check account the other sense that Scott makes and stuff but if you're going to buy something office Scott that's not the confessionals sent I will hunt you down so definitely definitely purchase some of these sense that were coming out with but Scott thanks a lot man I really appreciate it and I'm looking forward to people getting these oils and and sending US reviews absolutely man. Yeah I appreciate. It's been a fun time together and I really hope everyone enjoys him absolutely so definitely check it out everybody and and let's get to this week's interview. We have amy coming up right after this coming. Thursday's members audio trailer. Let's go Chow. My mom got pregnant with my sister and so we've got a house is really small house when we moved at. I wanted to go upstairs. It was a long plane and so spent so much time compare with federal STOIC fighting for that wrong always called and I lost. I love to call thousand other Asian. Live of this room wiles one name I was I was thinking eleven we had been there for a year or so and I was watching. TV and I heard this noise almost sounded like somebody calling a dog like dot and it came from across the room over by my desk and I had a ton of junk. You know maybe it's just like a timer ticker or something you know making noise and so I'm watching TV not really take attention and so finally you know ready to go to go to bed. I turn off the TV and I'm laying there and I can hear the noise and he's calling and so I'm trying to time it trying to figure out what it is. You know it's it's a timer. It's on like tip again in thirty seconds or whatever you know trying to go through my mind. What do I have over there. Don't be making this noise. I can't think of anything and joining as it just you know. At at that point I had already been like experiencing like weird things I had been having these. This feeling like something's watching me you know seeing like shadows is out of the corner of my IRA and my mom just told me well if you think that it's something tell it to go away and very stern and at Elicit Lewis has like okay so against that up with that and it just go leave me alone turnover on my side and as soon as I do that I hear it in my ear and it goes down the stairs though fast. I don't think that quickly ever and I was like I'm just GonNa. Sleep on the couch tonight and so I jumped on the couch and I'm like my curiosity got the better judgement of me and I looked and I seem to read dot. It wasn't like you know a a person's. I was just read to read blowing dots on the staircase about halfway looking directly down at me and I got aww and I told my parents more that night and I told my mom I was like I'm not doing it again. I'm not sleeping up there anymore. I can and can't do that again like that scared me so bad. It's bad I moved out of the loft but it had been so excited for Anna downstairs all right today. We have amy on the show amy how you doing I L. How are you doing well so you're actually from the area that I'm from stuff and you you were talking about towns and stuff that I'm very familiar with and it's just it's interesting. It's fun to talk to somebody somebody that is from my area because I do the show and I put it out on the Internet. I don't know where it's going down to WHO's listening to it and you know it turns out that there's people in my area that actually in my show. I think it's pretty cool so thank you for listening to the show so you emailed us about some things that you've experienced and I want to tell you. I find it very interesting that the first thing we're going to talk about is this. Ufo You saw Ben Salem because it wasn't too long ago in fact this happened last year and I talked about it on the show where I saw aw you afo going down the turnpike you know the Turnpike of two seventy six and that about that on the show yeah right I was passing. Willow Grove and I see this boomerang-shaped. UFO and I've seen it to two or three other times after that initial account and I remember seeing online I was reading an article all of you afo settings that happened in Pennsylvania last year and somebody had talked about seeing a UFO hovering over trees in Bensalem and I I if I remember correctly. He described the same shape that I saw so. I know I wasn't crazy so yeah. Go ahead and tell us about what you saw. Okay well I right. This was a two thousand eight thousand nine somewhere around there. was still living down in bed. Salem and you know the Parx casino you know where that is right off the street road okay well. My neighborhood was there's parks and there's some would behind it and through was then there's my developments like you know so it was kind of couldn't see it but I it's through those and I I used to have a front porch and that's where I sometimes have a cigarette era this or that. I loved nighttime. kids are in bed. That was always my time a loved being alone at night. That was bombies time. I get news done and you know I I since then I mean just since then for some reason. I don't like night-time anymore. I don't like to be alone in my house without another adult at nighttime and I never really thought much about where it came from and so somebody started really asking in questions and I said I'm afraid to have a USO alien counter and I realized I have a memory and I know was around that time oh I was living down there and it was my husband and I had to put up. I have a memory and the thing is I don't know whether I never knew if if it was real or if it was a dream but regardless it affected me emotionally so much that you know it seems everything about me sprayed. You know be alone at night. I don't like nighttime to that kind of makes me feel like it was real and so I have you know this memory. It's very quick of wow I walk out my front door and I looked through my neighborhoods all neighborhoods of development all these little townhouses. There's a lot of kids a lot of people but when when I opened the door all I see coming up with the tree line from where they toward the casino was and it's well. It's it's right the trees and this is low like not much higher than my house a craft that is so large that you can't do anything but it it takes up the entire sky and it's going slowly. It's like all the sound of everything stops. It was just hushed. I and I'm standing there and I'm watching this thing and it's going so it's going slow but it's huge. That's all I see real. Slow comes up over over my house. At all. I hear is like a low you know kind of but it was like the everything my home environment stopped. I felt like I was the only person I was only present. I could see but somehow now in my mind. I knew nobody else would be able to see that put me and although I didn't feel like it was coming there there for me. I had just had a sense that I knew I knew. I saw you know what I mean like. It was aware that I could see this. Even though it wasn't necessarily there for me I remember seeing when it first came over from the tree line. It was shaped and almost all those like maybe like crescent more kind of like more and shape the front of it. It has some lights on it. I can't really recall the colors to them but I can't really recall. It almost felt like when lights were blinking. You know like real foggy nights. You could see lights so wait airplanes are it's kind of like he but you know they're they're. I needed. I can't recall exactly the cars but but then when it comes up it's all blocked underneath a Matt Black and you see I feel a little like panels and things like that underneath it like me a little mechanical all structures and things like that things you'd see like you know like I'm like a battleship that you know what I mean bolts and that and it just goes real real slow and then it just keeps going and like I said it's so big that it takes up the entire sky and we would have been the size of Pennsylvania for all I know 'cause I couldn't see like on from from sides where you begin where it and I saw the front as it approached from over the trees from parks and that's it. I don't even remember seeing it. Go Away and then seeing sky but all I remember was it was like my entire like time stopped for a second and I was the only one and I knew that regardless. If somebody was even looking out somebody else they wouldn't have seen it and for whatever reason it just terrified me but I really have not one hundred percent certain if it was just a clip of a dream that I happen to remember or if it was real but I I really did you feel like because it affected me and it took us day. It affects me emotionally. I think May I. I'm pretty sure it was real. So then. I'm listening to your podcast. I started listening to your podcasts. something. I stumbled upon it because I was looking something about black eyed children you know Google search and search but I started that was going to cheer podcast and I really liked it and you had an episode. I think it was seventy eight cents. I think the Disney may have been Ryan. I'm not really sure but he had a tossed time. Yeah I'm listening to them over my full any talks about where he was working. Hershey and it was like I'm like Oh that's about. That's what I saw. Got Say that sounds like what I saw and then I realized wait I actually like replayed it to see when he said it was like that's about the same time and he even said like the direction that headed almost like that would be the direction from Hershey. The Ben Taylor and I'm thinking Oh my God. I think I saw that too. You know it was just really weird so that's what kind of sparked me like Oh. I should you know to shoot an email and let them know so yeah in till this day I I I'm having along with my six year old son and it's nighttime. I can't go downstairs or anything I have to up. She's in the bedroom which him when his bedtime. It's my bedtime sure as I'm scared unless another adult in the house and it just scares me. I'm scared to have some type of encounter. I think yeah I mean in everything that you're saying it lines up with because when you were talking about that I was thinking about Ryan's experience and stuff and it's a very common thing of a a lot of things that you're describing with the the humming Matt Black and the idea that you keep saying that you feel like you don't think you dreamt two but like you have this memory. what are your thoughts on the idea of being abducted because it seems like you don't ever remember seeing it leave. It seems like there is a gap of time. Oh my gosh. I know you give me chills because to be honest. I never considered bad ever and I think that it's that I do now that you say it. Of course I think it is a possibility and maybe that's why it has been traumatized to that level. I mean I've had scary before Tony. I mean all kinds. I used that such injuries. These people wouldn't believe me when I tell them about them because they were so you know wild nothing has trauma like nothing has shook me like I mean this is years ago and it is that's a possibility but I honestly never really thought of it and and if it if it was something that happened I don't WanNa know anything about. I wanted to stay in my subconscious. I don't ever want to have to relive it. Yeah I can understand that I mean some people want to go through regression therapy to draw those memories out and some people are like that they can just stay where they're at because I don't WanNa know I in fact I think Ryan said the same thing on his show where he I don't think he wanted to remember some of the things that he went through third because the members he had were crazy enough. I I'm not telling you you were abducted. I that's what I want to make sure that I'm not telling you that I'm just saying that. Some of the things that you're describing are a lot of symptoms that people say they have when they were abducted and you know the idea that you don't remember or anything is a common thing and there's there's the idea that taking whatever happens happens put back in in the same place of time and you don't really remember anything and you don't remember seeing the craft leave but there are a lot of sightings of UFO's in that Area Ben Salem Willow Grove Croydon and there's the horse the old Horsham Air Force Base and Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and that I have this. I have no no nothing nothing to back this up other than just the suspicion of been on the Air Force Air Force base twice and for two different companies that I drove for and the very first time I went on the Air Force Base I was doing delivery and this is before I did the show before I was in the community of paranormal all that stuff and I remember having it's moving equipment off the off the base because the base was closed for a long time and yet they were saying they were closing the base and I was like okay and and so we're pulling out like copy machines and stuff out of this these buildings and I remember asking because there was officers on the base still and the there is there's areas the base that it looked like they were still working. I yeah and it did it had for a long time almost the whole time that I live down there because my ex husband works for comcast in the the office he worked out of it was literally like right near there. They have that little capsule thing right where they early. Astronauts would learn anti gravity. That's still on that. Property isn't Ah yes okay so yeah continuous. It's one of those things where I I was in my early twenties and I just remember thinking they're. This seems like they're not done here but it just and I didn't even think of it in my head like in a cohesive thought it was just I had this feeling like they. They were doing things here still that you know maybe they're not letting letting you know about. I just had this weird feeling and if if there were craft they say they have this no grand conspiracy of you know these secret crafts that they have on the on the on the base it had to be underground because I've seen the buildings outings on that on that property faith at all no it's not and and the property itself is surrounded by tons of industry tons of homes and so so if there is something going on there it have to be underground and the exit would have to be not on that property itself. It has to be some more and yeah you know I I used to. I was always the sky watching always being interested in and and I constantly my kids would always make fun of me. I'd talking that'd be fun. Start Chasing. That's it felt good. It would be a helicopter as like this joke in my family but I would constantly call my ex-husband telling him I swear I see it because McGuire air force base although it's a New Jersey you know it's very close and that's heavy traffic. At least it was back then and I I would see interesting things in the sky all the time and my ex husband is a navy veteran so I would constantly this thing took off from there it spruch winger and he's like. Oh you saw you know Blah Blah Blah whatever would be he would always laugh at me but when I had this experienced. I don't think I ever told anybody I don't think in fact. I don't think I really remembered it right away. I didn't really remember it so people were digging into. Why are you so scared of the dark south yeah and that goes against your character because over over your life. You've always been jumping to tell people what you've seen in. You know if you would have saw something like that you would. I've been telling the world you've been on Fox twenty nine news. You know exactly and I did not. I don't know why I don't even it wasn't like I woke up the next day and said wow. I don't don't even remember how long it took me to remember it and now I remember the time period because I have a really good memory like about time and and this and that but I just feel like because I had moved not long after I knew what was going on in my new who my neighbors you know what I mean. I I remember those kind of details. I know you know what I mean. It was right when I stood up with my husband. I've been but I didn't remember it right away yeah but I just know it. Took me some thinking into thinking about. Why am I love time. I mean I was that one every like why are you always up up at four thirty in the morning. Take the time to clean with all five kids. It's the only time I can get a sleep. I couldn't wait for them to go to bed and yeah and I mean until this day when it's nighttime. There's not another grownup here. I am like Okay and Utah for best with the lights off on run upstairs and I will not go back downstairs. I'm always begging egging my friends to come over and hang out with like scared your affected me in and I never really considered the whole abduction thing Thanks Tony. I mean yeah I mean it makes sense I would I wouldn't sweat it but if you if you feel like diving into things and stuff I mean I I would direct you into looking at other people's experiences that were abducted and see if anything lines up with with you and just a fair warning by doing that. It really really really could jog memory if it did happen so you may not want to have that memory either yeah exactly exactly. I don't WanNa remember it because all the other things I've experienced in my life I never really frightened me or rattled me traumatizing but this did and I remember even as a little girl like my mom say stop watching. These things are talking about these things because they you invite you invite it to yourself and and you oh you know what I mean. It's like wow I really did you know just by my interest in it. I mean I'm kind of terrified of space and the thought of space overwhelms I mean I like I like a strong astronomy and I always have loved telescopes but the whole certain you know the traveling I mean I'm paraphrasing. that movie contact. It's that that made me. It was weird. It really shook me up inside a little bit. I would never want to go. I I'm not I'm not interested in it that that way. I just am interested in other. You know paranoid paranormal things because I think all things are possible and but you know certain things like aliens other life other going to other the planet. Oh hell no no no no no. I would just say stay away from it then. It's it's kind of like the movie Independence Day with Wolf Smith the the drunk he's like we gotta get as far away from these things as we and that's exactly what you need to do. Just get away from it. I want nothing to do. It was time and it's been my boyfriend is friends are such jerks because they'll call me relate at night. 'cause they like or late shift people and they'll be like hey amy alien and hang up. I'm like you shirt. He's you know what I mean. Leave me alone while locked them. No that was that story doing yeah and let's get into this other thing before we jump into the Hatton experience. I want you to share with people. This really weird bizarre video radio that happened with your okay so I I'm binge-watching bench listening to you know confessionals like a lot of people do and about the time that I had emailed you and talking telling about it. I was taught my boyfriend about 'cause I was like what are you. You're listening to and it was just a strange I was. I had a friend over and I'm telling her about it and it was weird. I got a phone call from a number. I didn't know so I didn't answer it. I put it in the caller. Id and it was somebody with the last name merckel which I thought was weird odd Quinton but even weirder that later on that night I went to bed and it was just me and my son that Nice my boyfriend's at work and so I I fall asleep listening to you know put it you know the the confessionals. I'll put it on play and I know with I tunes when you play and it ran. Episode ends then it. It just continues on to the next one but I usually I fall asleep quickly. I I don't I you know I I usually falsely within like maybe we fifteen minutes and she went over so the next alley is back in you know listen. I like to hear sound when I go to bed and so that night I go to sleep with my son. Yeah and I didn't refresh my memory of all the details about time and all this but you had the name now. I wake up the next oh what when I go to sleep. I haven't nightstand stand. It's got to tears on it and I always do is I prop my five and iphone. I kinda prop it up on something on a second here because then the phone is right near hear my ear kind of so I don't have to put it too loud it will wake up my son and so I have it all propped up but I kind of have to strategically place it so it doesn't it 'cause it'll tip and fall easily. Italy so wake up the next morning my phone's right where it usually is and first thing I do you know you check your messages that in the third and I saw that I had a text that I sent to my daughter. I have a twenty one year old daughter who lives down in Philly. She's she's in college at. Temple simple and I go I look at the time and at the time of Texas I then I don't know. Do you remember twenty. If you have the email I don't i. I didn't like I said I don't refresh my memory quickly for you call but it was the middle of the night one one nineteen. Am Yeah Yeah it was I I. I want to be like ten or something like that so I was. I knew when I was like look at this text and it's a video a text that I apparently sent my daughter at one I play it. It's dark but all it is is me you can hear me sleeping breathing. I breathe real heavy when I sleep and I forget how it was not. Maybe thirty seconds something like that and I I was so freaked out because first of all my phone you know the way it is. You know how you know I everybody has iphones. You know when I play my. It's locked this matt so this wasn't a video that was sent like when you're composing attacks then you just hit the camera thing. He sent a quick video in new included in this Texas was a video that was sent from my camera so in order for this video. My phone would have had to be unlocked. You know go to the camera APP record and switch to the text APP APP added into text and hit send put it back to my I tunes lock and put my my phone back exactly exactly where it is propped up real strategic furthermore. How could I have done that in my sleep because I'm sleeping in the video video and I did send the video right. Tony like you couldn't hear me clearly like I'm almost sound like I'm on the verge of snoring or maybe I am sorry. I can't quite remember I think I mean you hear it in the video right absolutely yeah so it's like 'cause it could even be something where oh well. You know maybe in your sleep. How do you hear that I'm sleeping. There's no noise in the background at all. I don't hear anything I don't hear any movement nothing and Yeah I. I cannot tell you how that could have happened. Nobody my my boyfriend. He works like he's not home and morning. It's just me and my six year old son who's in bed with me and he wouldn't know how to do that nor would that phone end up back where it was exactly where it was when I went to sleep ah but even weirder is when I was emailing you about it and I wanted to send like I sent you the video and then I was sending. Can you like timestamps this that I realized that I knew why knew what I was listening to when I fell asleep and when you do the hours you and when I fell asleep asked you this you know this episode of the confessionals is this long and the episode that was playing at one nineteen in the morning was called bedroom visitors or bedroom visitations something like that right really really. I mean I do know that I think that's one episode I haven't been able to listen to. I haven't listened to that one because it. I'm so freaked out by that. I'm so how do you like yeah when I showed that to my boyfriend he he was like you know. You better be putting that gun. Mattress not just like at Bill. Nobody's got nobody coming here like it's really pretty freaky. I nothing like that's happened since thank God but that was really strange yeah. There's I mean it's obviously at least at the very least it's a weird synchronicity right. that that that video or not video that episode is about alien entities into a bedroom. Howdy auty pulling a guy off his bed? Yeah literally shows right now my God and now and now I know I did. I could bring myself to watch it to it after that happened now like I don't want to cheer this episode because it was just really strange. Oh my God let me tell you you've heard the intro throw in where the guy says there was too great entities and they were pulling the off my bed that's that episode right now. David David. I don't think David believes that they were necessarily aliens. I think he falls in line with it was more demonic than anything but what he saw was what you would describe as a gray so yeah. I maybe maybe you don't WanNa. Listen to that episode. did you ever. I see that are here those clips that where people do people who suspect they've been abducted than they put recorded on when they're sleeping. I can't listen to those those are so freaky and I always think myself that I thought this before that happened. That would be scary. Thing that ever happened to me is for me to ever somehow and and listen to what goes on when you sleep. I WanNa know who knows I'm not even talking about paranormal. I mean there's other these you know. What if you get like critters absolutely. I don't want to know where you sleeping. You're sleeping and I always said I don't WanNa. I that would be like I would never put sleeper quick on and it was just so weird that that what happened and I and it's interesting. Why did it get sent to my daughter. which I think is really weird? I mean we don't she. She's a costume. We don't take all too much. I mean you know she's very busy with work and school and she's getting ready to finish and you know it's just weird and the other thing she's ever mentioned. I never asked her did you could you. I never asked her about it. Ah I really didn't want to but yeah. I don't know why my daughter so you never talk to your daughter about it. No no I she's not the open minded person like that. She's not she's very much like a father and she's very very a very you know she's not. She can aries That's what she she's not. The one who would she would get annoyed if I were talk anything paranormal with her and I was really social up by ah I really for some reason I didn't Wanna ask her like she never responded she doesn't have read receipts on so. I really you know I wouldn't know but like like she. It's not unusual for her not respond like I said she's extremely busy if anything she would y. Are You texting me at one o'clock in the morning so I never really asked her. Maybe there's there's more to subconscious reason why I'm GonNa ask her about it. I don't know I just never brought it up to her and I just thought it was odd that it went to my daughter absolutely and then it's just weird considering the experience you had with the the Ufo that you saw Ben Salem and then that happening and the follow up episode so obviously is weird and what I find very weird. Though is the fact that it was like somebody grabbed your phone in films you and then enter your daughter like I feel like now that you're talking about it. We in you're bringing up the whole tie in with the. Uso what that episode is about. I'm thinking that maybe that weird phone. Call that wrong. Number phone call wasn't to that much equivalence either. I mean they merckel on because this was all when I started this all happened within within twenty four hours of hearing that episode that episode seventy so it's like you know I'm thinking about like Oh. I got you know and so it's on my mind. I'm bringing it that you my every day. You know a consciousness you know and I get this phone number from like I told you it's newer area coach the Stroudsburg area so not many people have that but not that big of a deal but I don't answer numbers. I don't know so I put it in the caller. Id and it says J. Merckel. I'm like that's weird. 'cause uh-huh. Merkel's not that I know you know but it's I just start. Listen to your thing I'm talking about. You'd everybody then. I go to sleep that night yeah. It's that's the reason why an earlier Collie County Tony. I'm sorry but I just thought about something that happened two summers ago and I'm not kidding you. I was just talking to a friend about about this. I had a problem where all summer long I ever. I was setting off security alarms in and out of every place I went went and we spent limit it. We we like every variable. No not new bras not you. I was doing everything I could. I couldn't go oh anywhere 'cause I was setting alarms off. I went to the Michael Kors outlet and I said is there something. Oh there. They looked at me like you said No. You don't understand like well. Let me look at your Walla. Sometimes there's security bag no no finally when I went to leave the laser hold on a second. She took my bag. She threw them through the little thing when you walk out and then went off should did. I Walk Through A Walk-through. See I had a friend at the time I have a friend who had an off scanner like detector and we're up his house one night. I was asleep struck with the seat reclined. He didn't know I was in his truck because they were just they met. They were talking outside. They're both like avid hunters mismatch. They're both outside. He had my boyfriend had had this issue with the police. We won't get into that but he took his scanner because maybe they put something on your truck kept going off. I'm asleep at this time. I don't know it and they couldn't figure out why I didn't know I was asleep in the truck with the feedback so that you know that being that but then we're talking about a couple of later sitting in his garage he takes off the BARF scanner goes around the garage. There's three of us in there goes to me good right up. My stomach. Comic is where it kept going off. I even thought that I have not you. D I call my doctor is in that is entirely plastic. I mean it could possibly be you're you D and kept going off right up my stomach and then all of a sudden I spent a whole summer being the going crazy trying to figure out why I'm just upsetting things off and then also uh-huh doesn't do it anymore. You're freaking me out. I feel like I had an alien it 'cause I sort of joking when I was at the outlet talking to people like you know workers because I'm I'm gonNA figure figure out watching him. Go in and out of Turkey hill with these things going off like what girl I said. I was thinking Alien Impli. I said it as a joke but the one girl goes. I was actually going to say that yeah like that. It was gonNA stop doing it. How long periods last it was like it. Probably it was pretty much like late. Spring through the summer probably like I would say maybe from May through August something like that yeah and then all of a sudden it just stop doing it but when we told him when we're in my garage we started talking about it because he then I was in my car. Then one time earlier that night I thought we were in Saudi and he's started skimming my car and I'm sitting in the driver's seat and we just kept going on driver's seat and he goes Oh. You must have your antenna. Tanna here in my are have aftermarket system. I said No. I don't my head you know I have no antenna hooked up in my car and that's weird and that's that's when I said I think it's me and then we went in and we started talking. I said I was in his truck sleep in the other night. When it was going off in his truck he's at are you kidding me you know and and then he took it out and it kept going off right at my stomach and they were like three or four other people in that garage to witness. It and I'm like I'm not joking here guys dumpings inside like I don't. I'm nick swallowed. Something accident couldn't figure it out. I didn't put too. I just thought it was weird and kind of funny and then it just one day I realized Oh what about setting off alarms anymore. You know I do you want me to talk to you openly or do you want me to protect what I say. I want you to talk to me. It's fine fine all right so I don't know how to describe this other than implant. Is something something I'm concerned about here. because you know back in I think it was like the early fifties mid fifties. Maybe the sixties I can't remember what the movie it was called but it's like one of the first movies that was about like alien invasions and and implants and things like that and I think this is where the idea came from but I don't know if it's held up through people's real life stories but in the movie I think the implants that were for being put into people were like these little needles and they were all put in people's next and stomachs and I I know that I've heard people having implants in their arms their legs but also the stomach and it just makes me wonder sure if this is a big if I'm not saying you have an implant reductions if there wasn't a scenario and you were implanted obviously there's technology involved that you know as beyond our comprehension at times and is it possible that there's an implant that is activated the times and that's a sign of the activation where you're actually setting off these alarms. I see what you mean actually in yeah maybe they just they activate it when they need to Paolo. Uso whatever its purposes and then maybe there's they're not interested in whatever it's it's put on hibernate was was there anything different or that stands out in your memory when the during that time when you were setting off these security systems and stuff. was there anything that you noticed different about life. Is there anything that was Kinda list. Any of it is peculiar. I don't think so I really don't There's actually a pretty nice on to be honest. I don't know I don't really recall call anything. I don't recall any serious mood changes or you wounds unexplained wounds or things like that. You know that you know I it just it just it was just strange on it wasn't long after we moved up here to Monroe County. We moved up here in November and so like I said this happened right the following spring and Yeah I noticed that Turkey hill because you don't really hear the alarms they're very often and I think they only had have them for like the differently cell phone chargers and things like that that they sell them. Not many people buy them. They're so expensive there and I just you know why I keep setting this thing off at Turkey hill. Oh you know and like I said we eliminated every variable over a month's time I ask what it could possibly be was it every time that you went into a store pretty much pretty much in or out interact and it was really bad up at the outlets because I mean every store and I mean and there. It's not like there's a lot of Fafsa they'll. They'll look like I'm sorry. I don't know what it is. It's and like I told you that at the Michael Kors store they through my bags. I through L. and I walked through and that things starts going crazy. I said see I told you because I was trying to figure it out. I was asking them like some stores that wouldn't go up on but like a lot of stores that did and it's odd that going in and out it would go off and just like that just stopped went away but it was was when he my friend got that RFID scanner or detector out and it was going off in that garage right at my gut like right around my belly button and everybody's is looking like Oh my God like what's going on. I thought maybe I swallow. Sometimes you swallow thing somehow and they take a while to just. Maybe back got. Some kind of weird meddle in mayor who knows I didn't want it wasn't that to me was just odd and I didn't really get that stressed out or anything for it. I just thought it was odd. Oh Yeah it's definitely odd just when you look at putting things together and a timeline sake the for the first thing that that you remember is the UFO but you don't remember using Aleve and the way you described it does sound like this time loss and then like Ryan like that. Ryan had like time slash and I hope that he hears this. I hope that he knows that there's confirmation yeah that that's a historic. As soon as I heard that I was like wow that's what I saw 'cause I never per too many the Uso stories about something being that large where it took up the entire sky and it was so wow low like right about far above my roof right right and and so you have that happen and then the next thing. Is this weird video where I'm just GONNA say somebody other than you who took that video and send it to your daughter and her that earlier that night you had J. Merckel. Call you and the reason why I asked you when we I talking what the area code was is because my brother is Jack and I. I wanted to just see if there was a a a synchronicity there because he he runs around the entire side of the state with his company. He has a pest control company and I just wanted to Z. Like if there was any connection there but then you have that video happened after the the phone call and then you have the next episode is his bedroom visitations which the subject of that show is weird because you had you had something happened in your room and I didn't even know what it was either until you just call me and with the background of the UFO sightings and the possible abduction and now you're setting off alarms and if that was back in two thousand seventeen but like say yeah it does all fit into the whole idea when I'm describing this. I'm sitting in the right time line right like everything happened. In this order right. Well won't be. Oh you know but just see that the setting off the alarm thing that was in two thousand seventeen that was like may made August two thousand seventeen is what that was of happening but the the the seeing that the USO memory from Salem at that was like two thousand eight two thousand nine okay. I just did a quick google. Search just typed typed in alien implants sets off security alarms and there are a couple of forums that read. I set off store security systems off. I keep setting off shop. anti-theft theft alarms setting off security alarms so I didn't read any of these these but it looks like there's other people with possible same situations. Sion's abduction related or what I haven't read these yet but it might be something for now never mind you. Don't look into it so I'll look into you. Tell me when we first we started getting two thousand fourteen and she used to tell me how like at bite it used to scare him when we'd sleep because apparently I cry when I would sleep. I would twitch soul bad like jumping twitch that he started thinking something was really wrong with me like medically and he said you know you see people twitch when they slave. It's normal but he said amy. You don't understand what you do when you sleep and I he's like it's almost like it's an electrical geico thing like it is. I've never seen anything like it. You'd sometimes do all night and it actually made him worried. He didn't know what was going on with me. He thought you know. Do you take a medication. What is I was like. I don't know I'm not aware of it. At all that I mean it was like for the first year that we were dating that. He's at. I used to do that and it used to. He would it'd be scared to go to sleep because me twitching with like startled him and then it would scare him would stay up all night worrying like. Oh my God look at our what's wrong with her. He said I don't do that anymore. But that's kind of odd to all right so let me ask you a question. I just saw the night that the video was shot of you. You said you went to bed around ten. o'clock right can thirty something like that yeah. I know I was falling by ten thirty. I know that earlier. You said that you tend to be up late at night because because the kids are in bed and you can do things relaxing flint. That's before the two thousand eight hundred thousand nine when I had that memory thanks but this was back the debt like before. I moved up here but when I lived down in bed before I had that experience with that crafts that that vision that memory I used to love the nighttime. It's didn't stand but I don't i. I'm really earliest nighttime. I want another adult in the house like I was telling my friend that night. I had a friend here. She left is when I went to bed when you went to bed that night did you. was that like a normal timeframe for you to go to bed or were. You like extra yeah. It was pretty it was pretty normal. I know it was I think it was weekend and so my son didn't have school school. 'cause I remember you know not beat you could he was up a little bit later and we've only up a little bit later. 'cause you know my girlfriend was here. She was getting ready for us and she was just Kinda here saying goodbye and we were just chatting for a while but I remember my eyes get heavy because I'm used to going to bed really early when my son goes to bed because I just go to bed when he goes to bed because I don't like being here at night by myself so I just go to sleep but it was a normal bed routine to you know what I mean. She left thought into bed you know put that up the podcast and I I know I fell asleep. I think it was border. Patrol agent episode is what I had turned on and I even sent you the proof like and I do think it'll tell you when you played when you listen to them what the hours were just a show like that's what I was listening to and then if you follow along you'll see that at one nineteen better visitations was the one that was playing Joe Yeah. I wasn't aware of it because I was sound asleep. I remember getting up at like four thirty in the morning to go to the bathroom and that's normal. I always get at some point in the middle of the night. Go to the bathroom and I'll get back in bed. The podcast always still be running but I turn them off then. I just go right back to sleep but I was fall asleep listening to them yeah. The title was the confessions of a federal officer yeah and that's when I probably saw to it and that was that it's not up to go to the bathroom. Chernoff didn't think anything of it you know and I and I woke up and my where my phone always is right there because I always keep it there because I don't like to keep it too loud and I always like my launches off in the morning. It was so weakened or not gosh and I mean when I woke up there. Were always that's always keep it like it's GonNa be pretty hard in your sleep to take it to all those those cheeto unlock this app go to this APP. Go to this APP component of tax insert. Send it now eventually right and you know I. It's funny because a that's a lot of process to go through can send in your sleep. I would I will tell you this. Maybe we'll give you a little bit secured even though I don't think this is probably this probably isn't what happened with you. I don't think you did this. When I was in college I would text my wife in my sleep deep and our texter these long bizarre text messages that just kind of ramble on about nothing and senator in the middle of the night and it was frequent for a while where I was just texting her in my sleep and didn't make any sense it'd be like I missed my dad and you know the car flipped over and you don't really remember doing eh on your own. She stay should be like why don't you text me weird messages last night what message. I look my phone. I don't remember texting you at all to do that. She he's just drunk text people and they were bad and I mean it was like I'll be like. Oh my God this isn't he thinks he goes. I know I know you're going to build out but then I remember saying to be aiming now. My trunk shrunk self is getting smarter busted the lead the text before I fall asleep that I I don't even know but yeah yeah people leave. It was my daughter. The last person in my techs laws oh she wasn't I mean she was pretty far down to so it's like it. It was yeah. It's thinking about it much because it's just so weird. It's so freaky and look on my boyfriend's face because he really doesn't get into that kind of thinking about thanks. He's real cut and dry you know black or white and he doesn't really think into things and when he he looks scared 'cause he's like what because you know the. I couldn't have done that myself. He knows nobody was here but I'm a six year old you know if I were you. I would talk to your daughter at some point. I really would and bring it up because I'm I'm just saying like there might be some clues. There had experienced. I don't know yeah maybe there's something telling you that she's next or maybe maybe she had some experiences that night that kind of that video all of a sudden made sense to her and if she told you what she experienced oh my gosh that all fits together now and you know all the paranormal thing the the the alien. UFO was the one that terrifies me. Why did that have to be either. One introduce yourself into my life and not bigfoot or something like that. I'll tell you what you're up. There in the Poconos bigfoot is up there. I I wish I would've thought the timing of a picture that my sister's FRY posed. She lives in town where I live one one winter. She's not into she doesn't she. She works for school district says she's very careful about you. Clicked on social media are making but she just said I'm just GONNA leave this picture here for Y'all Georgia so and I was like Oh my God that's a Steph watch and often I this was right after I moved moved and a lot of people say oh yeah they're up here. Better believe they're up here but I've never seen one. She took the picture yeah. I can send it to you. When we're not on the phone 'cause I can't do as we're on the phone but I'll say it to you and and the footprint she found the next that that night on her porch and the I guess like back portion even realized he goes well. They were up on my porch big giant. It's a prisoner snow on her portrait was right after we had our first huge bad snowstorm after I had moved to town and I was like Whoa it's Blackwood. Please send me those pictures out of a real clear picture but when you look at it you know can't be anything else like it's pretty obvious when you see the footprints but I don't think it's something that you put on. TV and people were like that's great evidence but you'll see you'll be like yeah. I forget what comedians Said said this but he's like maybe bigfoot just blurry and that's why we always have blurry pictures of big foot could not but it's interesting but I'm I would. I would love to spot not up close but I would love to but now the aliens have to come to mate. T's just my luck of course well listen we ramble on and on about this experience because is there's so many different and right and I would love to just kind of talk back and forth about this because I feel like the more I talked to you. The more details tells them uncovering but I don't. I don't know where we're going to go with it but I think that this is something that you and I could definitely keep in touch about because I if you have any new information and I would love to hear about it but let's move in this has had experience okay so this is you know another week or so path fits. It's this initial contact with you. Blah Blah Blah. I'm still binge listening and I was listening to an episode where you were talking about how oh you were listening to something in the car with your wife and that whatever you're listening to spark her memory that she had experienced a happened when she was little and it wasn't until mostly through the episode. I realized Oh my God me too Oh here's what it is okay so when growing up my dad is from the south and his whole family lives in Florida or Georgia and as a child we often would go down. you know to the my great grandmother had very I don't WanNa say too much because I don. I want to respect my dad's prior to his family's privacy but very They're very wealthy. You have an estate in the middle of an Orange Grove and it's an old Spanish style architecture. It's very open breezeway this that and the third huge and even when you're a little child is even much more grand than it is. my dad's family. I of course I you know we didn't have them as well as my mom didn't know them while at all 'cause we didn't see them very often and they're a little more stuffy not very or and so it was Christmas. I think I was three years old. Three we go was almost four so it was Christmas and we spent Christmas in Florida instead of at home because we went on a cruise some Caribbean cruise for Christmas but we we spend a almost like the whole Christmas break in Florida at the family estate. My Grandmother's and I remember it was an an good evening where it was just my myself my sister who's a little older than me and my mother my dad my grandmother his but the rest of the family had gone out some dinner or something everybody was out of the House and it was just the three of us in the house and like they're made and like I said there's a lot of hallways breezeway all through the outside and it just happened like amazed to a little three year old. I remember that we were in the guest room and my mom is wrapping Christmas presents. She was actually teaching teaching myself. My sister and I had a presence properly and I got bored so I kinda started wandering right out into the hallway. I feel like I was on some type of like little scooter or something they you must have had like a little toy thing that I was playing on. Can I remember going out of the door and looking to my last. John was pretty long hallway and at the end of the hallway. I see a very very tall man now. All of my all depends are extremely tall so that wasn't even odd to me because my dad was six four. I'm five nine nine his brother's six four. You know very tall people at but it was so it was dark was evening in fact. I think my mom was watching the Carol Burnett show if I recall correctly so it's dark but there's a lot still light in the hallway little bit luminated from you know different lights in rooms that you know but I see a very very very tell me about the thing was I noticed that he was dressed very formally and knowing that my family was going out to dinner. I didn't even see that alternate. I thought it was my grandfather. He would I saw very very tall top. Hat formal top hat like Abraham Lincoln Hunt. No details no facial features because it's just black like a shadow but at even a person kind of would have been a shadow at the end of a dark hallway. I remember a along you know like a Cape kind of you. Know flax like camp like it's almost as if the person was wearing like had been just in the puck like Cedo for like something you know with all that but you can't see the details just the outline of it and I remember I turn to the left. I saw this this present. It was was walking. You know I thought to the side but it stopped. When I stopped turned to my direction so now looking forward then you know you only know this by the the silhouette and turned back to the room and I said Mommy widespread Father George here because I thought he was supposed to be able to dinner. They left hours ago and she's like he's. He's not here. I said well who's that now. My great grandmother apparently had she had a couple husbands throughout her time and she had a husband that way before we were born and I don't know who he was. I forget his name now but he was a fishermen or some love the sea he would always on the scene. They call them the captain. I I don't WanNa say what his first name was but captain insert first thing and there was a room in the house. That was always locked. It was called the capture them you could go in and everybody would tell stories that the the captain would his spirit was in this state but the captain was more of each kind of guy you know dressed dressed in jeans never had bare feet all the time. He was a like a key largo kind of you know what I mean. When you think of like that kind of person he wouldn't have a bit dressed like that but like I think my mom hearing that I'm seeing something down there. She didn't get up to book. She's like Oh. It's probably captain but and it was we needed to be some. We brush off. The memory is so vivid I mean I remember. I remember that my mom was in Florida. They have the big all-south. It was big. Call Meadow bugs and we don't like bugs. You know we're from Pennsylvania but this is a very open construction architecture out in the nature so it's going to have a uh I remember my mom had this spray and there she was going nuts. Every time she wants to be freaking out wrapping presents remember everything and I can still see this. This is captain and it was not my grandfather and my grandfather being a big pat and like this long coat and like it takes us very. I don't think they went out dressed like that and I didn't really think anything at all and so I heard that after Sorta Oh my God that's how like what I saw the Florida and that you know that that was that but like it was just so odd that I've listening to Lindsey Story of a story sparking her memory. That's sparked spark my memory yeah. That's kind of works isn't it. I mean people tend to forget about things or they. They just stop thinking about it so the memory of it just kind of fades until somebody. IOS brings up the topic and it's like why don't we remembered it but I never associated with like how because I'd never heard of that. I've never heard I I. I heard a slender man not too long ago. 'CAUSE I started calling my mom at one of his friends. Were these real skinny and when he walked Felix Horizontal I call Wonder Man. I knew it was like SORTA. you know some type of urban legend but I never heard of happening never heard man until maybe like a year or two ago. When I started reading the what's called the creepy catalog on facebook and then I would hear little stories about it but not too much. I'd never really heard of it but never associated that with the hat man it to me. It's just that weird memory of something. Something goes to my grandparents house. Yeah I think the slender man is basically a topa. It's it's the it's the manifestation of something. That's been giving a lot of attention to and I. I don't think I think slender man was probably something that didn't really necessarily exist before England. It became this phenomena of people paying attention to it and now it's appearing and and you have you real life cases where those two little girls was that killed. I think it was their friend because they said slender man told him to these are young little girls who did something horrific because this entity called slender man told them to do it so it's something that's very real but I think once it's so the idea is like it's a it's an entity that only really came about because of they a pre existing legend like sort of took on that persona based on like the you know. I don't really okay so like Whoa it's it's like. It's Kinda like it. All depends on how you view things right. I mean I say it all the time of the show you the way your world view is going to shape your experiences and I think that for me personally I look at Topa is like it's something that there's some kind of entity that takes the form of something that's popular. I ah in in being talked about a lot of people so it's familiar scene. That'll get it seen in. That'll get out there but yeah okay that makes I understand that cars. What's up yeah yeah yeah because I never really heard of anything before but then all of a sudden now it's all the rage right and so what about this rake thing. I don't want to know anything about the create makes my skin crawl adapted. You know you did recently 'cause. I was GONNA suggest he was like what are you going to talk about the break and then you did come with an episode right out the rake but I I think I don't think I paid attention very well to that. One must have something that's been going on in my house at the time that could really focus on it but listen our story though that talk about it like a listener It was a live show that I didn't Houston I've put it up as chest and the guy he's in Dallas and he saw to these things in broad daylight with with a friend as they were walking up a hill and the rake is something that you know again I have. I've had people just recently counting aluminium. I've had people commenting recently on that picture or the video I should say that I put up on Youtube of the rake and stuff and the one person said come on the people. This isn't real as made in Hollywood. I'm thinking yes but there's different layers and levels to life and like I said I mean maybe the rake is a topa culpa. Some kind words manifested itself because of the attention that this topic of rake has gotten and so but what it is. I don't know it could be some kind Jonah Monster extraterrestrial type entity but whatever it is the videos that are online. There are a real action SOM- and I and some of them. I'm like there's no way this is real like this. It's not big like some and that's why that's that's the thing because it gives you that much because they really to me looks legitimate some of this footage and it doesn't look at you know what I mean like. Isn't that happened to be something that comes to mostly like younger children. I am I understanding kind of younger. Children and it's either an experience where it's whatever or it's terrifying experience really for from you. Whatever 'cause I thought it was my grandfather because it was just really tall and you know what I mean. I wouldn't have been able to see him anyway if he was at the end of the hallway so it really was whatever at the time hunt that God yeah licking terrifying right. She was scared to call. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's funny. It was funny telling her mom that story just just net. Maybe like a year or two or two ago. We told her mom that story. She's like really. Why didn't you tell me honey like she felt so bad yeah. My mom is kind of blew. My mom I think was a little she my mom kind of believes in that kind of stuff she did she was she was real. I think a lot like my mom and I think she probably really did think it was the captain but she's not having gotten up and see your. She's listening to the testimony of a three year old girl so you know and I was very I still am very very old and you know the actress and the singing. Cc are all the time when I was five so she probably thought it was you know I'm just being amy and didn't think too much of it but you know what I saw. I remember like it was yesterday. It didn't scare me. It just seems like to me. It was odd because I couldn't. I didn't understand what my grandfather was still home and why he would would like creep around the hallways. I can understand that but I'll tell you what amy I really appreciate you coming on and sharing these experiences. It's been a pleasure and I have a soon yeah I. I'm really enjoying it and I gotTa tell you that episode with Charlie the soldier wow it's still has me shaken and I I really that it was a great episode and I'm so glad that he had called in and share share that with you. I just wanted to say that and if he's listening like good job and I hope he. I hope it's helped him. I really do yeah yeah I do too and I I keep in touch with actually him and I have been texting back and forth this past week and stuff and I try to keep in touch with them because you know what he talked about on that show is w I I. He was concerned about you know what could happen after he talks about something like that and things like that and so we we we've been incubator. Got It took. I thought about that afterwards. That's a lot of guts for him to do that but like and that's it really was weighing on him and he really had to get it off his chest and then thank God he had a a venue to do that now well. That's that's the that's the goal with our shows amazing the way I created the show is I just wanted to feel like the audience listening. I want to feel like they're sitting at a table with me talking with somebody. That had a crazy experience. You know it's just like is exactly how it is in a really good job at you know keep it up well. I'll do my best and on that note. Thanks for coming on okay no problem. Thank you for having me well. That's a sure but I really hope you enjoyed it and if you did enjoy please go ahead and share with your friends facebook instagram twitter snapchat tick tock email. I don't care how you share the a show. Just share the show and try something a little bit different this week you see. I came across an ad. They'll ask you random questions kind of like a would you rather kind of thing and I thought it'd be fun to ask you guys is a question of the week so this question is would you rather be buried alive or eaten alive. It's kind of a hard question for me to answer. I'd be interested to hear what you guys have to say so hit us up on twitter at T- confessionals that's our twitter handle at T- confessionals and use the Hashtag. TC Question of the week let us know what what would you rather have done to you be buried alive or eaten alive. That's a hard question to answer and help me figure it out at T- confessionals on twitter. That's so next week. Friends stay safe. Take Care and remember the truth was such a free but I guess you off by. Hello it took Taber slipping. Go Back Carrie the okay to taper also end brisket the Yeah Yeah Yeah uh-huh yeah uh all right so would I rather be eaten alive or buried alive. It's a really hard question to you. Know think about this one. I don't want to have either happened to me. I mean eaten alive. Awful burried alive awful. you know being eaten alive is something that I can vividly picture because I like to watch those videos online from Lake National Geographic or those instagrams those instagram pages ages where people post like natural wildlife actions and so obviously part of that is animals hunting other animals and and one that always sticks out in my mind when I think about an animal beat being eaten alive is when I saw I think it's a cheetah or simply. Now isn't a Cheetah wait a minute. A HYENA may be but it had taken down some kind of deer and the deer was like county just laying on the ground but like a bright so like it was kind of sitting up almost like it was showing grass but it wasn't chilling because there is this Hyena or some kind of cat eating it's insights and it was just like this is just going headfirst into this dear like you couldn't you couldn't even see the head because it was up in the ribcage. Poland step out in his annual still alive and it was just Kinda like sitting there blinking in knowing it's GonNa die going through is probably in shock. I don't know if it felt the pain anymore but it was just a very gruesome thing to watch and I think about that when I think of being eaten alive the idea of being buried alive. I I think the example isn't you know you're in a coffin being buried alive. I think it's like you're thrown in a six foot hole varied with dirt. You know that's at least what I got from. That's what I was thinking because it'd be much easier for me to say yeah. I WANNA be buried alive in a box because they'll just eventually run out of air and uh-huh quietly die. You know you just run when you run out of air. I'm assuming like suffocating you kinda. Just go to sleep eventually. Just lose air. You pass out and you die. Why is sounds easy but the way I was thinking about. This question is it's probably not that simple. So would you probably talking about is. Let's you say it's a ten foot hole and you're thrown down in the hole and they start dumping dirt on top of you and so you got to actually like go through the process of of suffocation but also in that process getting to the point of you know passing out you have to breathe in that dirt and that's gotta be painful and the absolute panic of of knowing you're going to die and and slowly losing your air to brief sounds terrifying and so when I rather be eaten alive slowly and painfully piece-by-piece buried alive slowly slowly taking breaths in knowing that the next one could be my last because there's just not enough air and in the process excessive slowly breathing that Aaron breathing in dirt and feeling the pain and knowing what is at the end of that pain is debts. Yes that's a hard question to answer but if I had to choose one I think I would choose being buried alive because the idea of being eaten alive and like looking down and seeing something an animal or maybe some psychopath psychopaths biting my hip and my legs and just pulling me apart piece by piece being conscious for that. I don't like that idea and I'm assuming that this is all entailing of you know. You can't defend yourself you know because the idea of being buried alive and a ten foot hole. What are you GonNa do to defend yourself against that. There's not much you can do but if you could defend yourself against the person or thing that was eating you alive. Maybe I would choose that then because then there's a fighting chance literally early a fighting chance. I don't know I don't know but these are some of the random thoughts that you have when he just kinda venture out into no-man's-land when you're thinking by yourself during the day. I found it very interesting question but I oh I think I think I would set on being buried alive over being eaten alive. Yeah think so

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204 | Hot Pursuit With Sgt Fitz

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204 | Hot Pursuit With Sgt Fitz

"As prosecutor every time stand up cross-examination of the defendant can leave back this man rush of adrenaline. He went zero to sixty in four seconds. But all of a sudden now okay. This guy means business now. It's danger time and we all know what can happen with these kind of pursuits. Cooler weather is here but that means dehydration is harder to spot. Three out of four people are dehydrated without even knowing. Don't be one of them. Single serving of liquid. Iv hydrates two to three times more efficiently than plain water because hydration isn't just drinking water. It's how your body processes it liquid. Iv is easy healthy. Hydration boost with each serving as good as two to three bottles of water plus vitamin c. B three ba five. B six and b twelve plus. It tastes great. I enjoy lemon lime. But there's also strawberry passion fruit even apple pie through november thirtieth. 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As the gyms a k a fitz james are fitzgerald. Jim fits francey nice to be back with you. Know gyms doing other things. We'll miss him. But i think we'll have a good time on the less tonight. Well fence you are definitely up. I would have to say probably our listeners favorite guests. I mean whenever you're on they go completely crazy and when you're not on. I'm not exaggerating. They clamor fits. I have a text or was it a facebook message from a few years ago. That one fits would come on your show and they would hear my name. This woman's dog would go crazy. Dogs also named fits. And i always wondered if someone names a dog after you. So non lament concer- compliment. I'll take it as a compliment. But so it fits. The dog is out there coach. Get ready we're going to have a good time or the next half hour. Plus well fits for some. We have lots of new listeners. Time and so for anyone just tuning in to best case worst case i wanna make sure that everyone knows our backgrounds. Of course i'm a former state and federal prosecutor fits. Don't you give us the the nickel tour of the background of the legendary profiler known as jim fitz fitzgerald okay. I'm not sure how legendary. But i'll take you thank you graduated college penn. State story -tective for about a year in downtown philadelphia. Kind of a crazy job back then. A cop and bensalem pd. We're gonna talk about a case from way back then Coming up in a few minutes levin years detective sergeant all that stuff nineteen eighty-seven joined the fbi. Met jim clemente first day. At the academy in quantico. We were started our friendship ben and we'd been very good friends ever since we won't both went to new york together on the bank robbery squad. That is jim clemente. And i and became a profiler ninety five. He came down there in ninety seven to quantico work yuna bomb jon benet ramsey and anthrax. Dc sniper. Jim was involved in most of those and retired. Seven went to work for criminal minds and sleepy hollow. A few other shows did some audio projects with the with jim and next g productions youtube fancy and that's the nut shama profiler forensic linguist still teach forensic linguist at california university of pennsylvania and wrote three bucks all titled a journey to the center of the mind. And the story. We're gonna talk about today. Is actually chapter. Forty four out of that book. It's a long book are has it. There might be another book on the way veteran. Yeah i keep getting keep getting request by people. I've got all your your three books so far. When's the fourth one. Stop right after unibond of ten years left in your career. I said i'm doing it. I'm doing i'm getting there. But will these demands from people to do things. Podcasts from my friend francey but i think i can do this and still keep it will be out in twenty twenty one. I'm not sure mid or late twenty one. Maybe it'll be a great christmas present for this time next year. Well for sure back onto you can remind our listeners when it comes out so they can all buy it. I appreciate the antastic will fit. So let's start off with the question that jim and i always ask everybody and that is where were you in your career. When the case you're gonna talk about today came into you good question and it is a logical question to ask so. This is Thanksgiving so as a theme two. It's a holiday. Themed door talk today. Of course it goes way beyond the thanksgiving dinner. What you're about to year. But i was a Patrol sergeant at the bensalem police department. And that's a suburb of philadelphia. You kept referring to his mayberry. Last time we talked. Sworn we're a little bit bigger than mayberry very busy Township just north of philadelphia. Pa turnpike runs through it. I ninety five major Racetrack road one. So definitely busy. A place still to this day and i was working the midnight shift. It was a nine. Pm to seven am chef thanksgiving night so my ship started nine pm giving night after a nice meal with my family and then i was working all the way through seven the next morning. So pits means year when when everyone else is is still probably eating i or maybe napping in their recliner watching football yet to actually put on a bulletproof vest and your uniform and go to work. I worked the before too. So i got home at seven to about maybe two that day then the company starts coming in and and all of a sudden yeah dinners over and people are watching football cleaning up. I go and get a quick shower. Throw on my By ballistic vest you're right and all the acrobatics equipment and at eight forty five or so. No probably about eight. Thirty now sergeant. That'd be in a bit earlier. There was only about a five minute ride. I say goodbye to all the guests that off to work by went well and you know our listeners will be familiar with bensalem by now fits i of course from listening to you multiple times but also we recently had chris mcmullan's on and he talked specifically about a tragic murder case of a young girl that went unsolved for decades And in fact he mentioned that were involved in some of the early response when the child was missing and it sort of tied it altogether when chris joined the force later and eventually help to solve the case and bring justice for our family for parents. Cruise is a good friend of mine now. We never worked together. He joined the p. About three years. After i left i think he joined in nineteen ninety s a great detective. I sponsored him into the dock society. We can do there someday. Francia philadelphia the third thursday of every month. A they made in the very posh union league building in downtown philly and we saw code cases where experts from all over the region and we fly in police officers and investigators from all around the country even canada for the first time last year. Now of course it's all been suspended with With co vid. We've been doing some online things. Whatever but we're hoping to start up again in march and and resume sobbing cases so I sponsored chris in there and he's a great addition to it and he's a he's a good actor too. He's actually done some work in movies. I think he has a whole second career going when he retires from the pd in about a year or two eight when he's eligible. I think that's true so ben. Salem pennsylvania thanksgiving night it's probably fairly cold in pennsylvania by then you head out and you get to the office. Bensalem police department. What happens. I'm going to give a little background. These were the dark years and ben salem. There the different form of politics took over and francia. You're very aware of what's happened in the us. In the last four years a microcosm of that was in bensalem in the mid eighties. in which achieve kind of from the outside name rich came in. And i worked very well with him. He was a sergeant in the philly. Pd but the swamp of ben stay home. We didn't call it that back then but it truly was. They resented this guy coming in so they wound up firing him like they tried to impeach trump and the ruin are a lot of analogies. Anybody go reach my second book. I think will pick up on. That was written before the whole trump saga or at least the impeachment chicken but you see many similarities. So i was kind of when the now so he got fired. I'm now in the house with this new chief. Who had been fired before that. I want to give a little bit of a background. And you'll see how these things Played out because the night before thanksgiving. I arrested a township politician for For exposing himself to a young boy. And i i must have forgot to tell the acting chief of police kind of the guy who didn't like me and he got really upset when all the headlines with the thanksgiving day paper the biggest paper of the year by the way back then not anymore and so i knew he was upset at me and that comes into the end of our story. But now let's go back to thanksgiving dinners over. I'm a have roll call. It was a little safety tip to give the guys go out there. And it's a squad of about ten officers and relatively quiet night and lo and behold around to thirty to forty five. Am one of my younger. Audiences caused me. Say my was the sergeant. I was in charge of the squad out there. And he's a younger guy. He was full of what we say. Piss and vinegar. Can we say that word on a podcast. You can gym the other gym drops the f bomb regular a fettes. I won't do that so He he liked the really hustle but he was what i would say An inch wide and a mile sick in his profession which means his expertise was dui arrest. This guy was the best. Dui arrest maker if you will and he would do three and four in a ten hour shift and this is before do this. Before man was formed this is one thousand nine hundred four. Were talking and do you is. We're not that big of a deal. He was a breathalyzer operator. He would bring in anybody and he wound up getting awards from the governor. He had the most. Dui arrest in pa in pennsylvania. And all these awards in fact it roll-call one and he's a. He's a relative broke only on about three years at this point and the running joke was someone at roll call. I call him officer. Dan in the book. Again i mentioned edmund chapter forty four because all comes together as as the story unfolds had roll. Call one night just how much. Hey dan if your mother was driving a car and it was swerving. You pulled it over and abor breathalyzer you know the field sobriety tests. Would you arrest her. Whole depends what what our numbers were zero fiber above whatever He would have arrested and he was dead serious he would have arrested his own mother for dui so officer was fit so let me just enter. Jack what fun fact for everyone listening. Everyone talks about murder cases right. Murder cases are hard to prosecute. They're hard to arrest people. They're hard to convict people. They're hard to try. But the truth is in most states. Georgia's certainly is one of them a d. y. Trial is actually among the most complicated kind of cases. You can try because of what you're just talking about. The breathalyzer is a sophisticated scientific instruments. And there are all these hoops that the investigator or the arresting officer had to have gone through long before ever making the stop of the suspect for dui and so it's one of those weird quirks in the law that while the consequences for dui aside from killing someone when you're drunk driving but aside from that the consequences of dui in terms of punishment are generally not that onerous and almost always probation but the the path to get there as a prosecutor is actually really complicated and very specialized no normal prosecutor in a normal. Da's office wants to try those cases because there are all these hoops you have to jump through as the prosecutor to in order to prove the case. So it's interesting that you had an officer who specialize in that the the pd. Or or or captain. Lieutenant wasn't the one in specialized. This is just what he wanted to do. And by the way the prosecutors liked him because he had all those check boxes marked off he would do it. He had all the certification into the machine was up today he knew how to do the The preliminary test in the field whether the car you know probable cause for stopping the car and he almost always got convictions. So so keep this in mind. Now he calls me over he says fitz and always had to pick. And i said officer dan When you're talking to me. I'm fine with a toothpick but i've seen you go out in the public note to thick with the public. Oh yeah okay. No problem takes it out and he goes. I gotta talk to you. I'm really bummed out about my career. I said why that dan well. I'm doing pretty good with dui stuff. But i never made any other kind of arrests. I'm never making a robbery arrests or catching burgers and action or you know catching a rapist or a sexual assault guy. I said well. Dan one reason is you're picking all these dui arrests and that's not even your mission you're not unlike the accident investigation division or anything like that. You're a regular patrol officer and dan sometimes. Maybe i've told you this before. We kind of lose you off the streets. When you're doing three d you is do you is bad. Don't get me wrong. And they should be taken off the streets but but maybe sometimes you could be out here to help. Thanks will fits. I know your record. I you know i heard about even read newspaper articles about you before i was hired. All these plainclothes arrest you add. I did have a good arrest and conviction record and all kinds of different crimes. And i wanna get. Were arrested like that under my belt. I don't know how to do it. I keep driving around. And i'm going up the street down this road and just how do you know when you're gonna find that arrest. I said well dan. You really don't know and you're doing the right thing but let me give you some advice. What time is it right now. I kind of knew dry. I guess it's around three a m. I said okay. Here's an idea. Here's how i made some good arrest especially when the midnight shift. Sit in your car. Turn off the engine. Crackdown the widow. And let the crime come to you. What do you mean. And and i said. I've made a lot of arrests with my car. Shut off a kind of a major intersection. Maybe in the shadows somewhere lights out and wait for either window smashing. Wait for someone yelling or screaming. Wait for us. The screeching of tires wait for perhaps gunshots. I i've actually heard those Maybe trash cans getting kicked over or not dovers of someone's trying to get into a second second-floor you'd be surprised you sit with the windows down. Put both windows down. See i've stereo effect. You'd be surprised what you hear. And then you respond calling back up if you think you have something. And and he's not in his head. Yeah you know what you're onto something there so that's why you're the sar jog. You make the big bucks. I so i don't know about that part but Take my advice and you're right here now at the intersection of route. One in old lincoln highway major intersection. Yeah just just hang out here to hilton hotel there at the time. Okay thank saw large. I take off. I call them other officers. I wanna meet the daily log. Some over now the bensalem high school probably about three miles from where i was talking casual conversation signed. This guy's log next thing you know. B b b over a radio system all cars off cars. It really does happen like this. For the non officers out there be advised to trans ams brand. New were just driven off the lot of so and so pontiac dealer route. One old lincoln highway a sector car pursue other cars. Look for these white and black trans am. I'm thinking i just left there. And that's where. I left officer dan. He may have seen this whole thing. Go down as i once serena away. There's about ten of us on the road. I started signing cars. Different intersections are two transactions. They may may very well be like the other we get. The first officer arrives in the scene. He said yeah. There's a guard on duty and next thing we know next thing he knows. The trans ams both together went through a chain link fence from the interior of the live onto the street and northbound on route one. Wow now this was a first for me To hear sort of a car theft in progress here to car thefts and not just You know volkswagen beetle. This is to muscle cars taking off Out of a car dealership. I'm calling. I'm getting all my troops lined up different intersections mostly northbound of where it happened. That's the they went and Officer dan twenty to twelve. Where are you know response or thirteen over here. Twenty two fifteen go. I'm gonna head up north in the chamonix valley. And that's what i do. It's a foggy night. it's now about relief. Three forty five three fifty. A m i cruise up into this area called the shamanic values kind of a residential area. And i'm still assigning cars. Nobody sees anything. Don't description of the drivers is a white transam. Black transam it's foggy. It's kinda spooky out you can imagine like a film noir type building in black and white. There's really no colors out. There i wind up coming to this intersection again. Residential area. Nothing around me. And it's a red light and i come to a dead stop and who pulls up or what pulls up exactly across the street facing me except in the other lane to transam all my gosh. I mean you just were at the right pace at the exact right time. I know who knows how fate took me there and it's a correction. It wasn't a red light. It's a stop sign. And i'm stopped there and i'm just sitting at. The intersection learned a long time ago. Don't put the radio up to my mouth because the people can see what i'm doing. Keep it down like by my chest. And i'm there are twenty two cars. I've got both vehicle spotted the shambaugh bar boulevard declaration dr. Gimme back up. So i'm sitting there and nobody's moving like now. Thirty seconds have gone by. I'm at my stop sign going westbound. They're they're stop. Sign going eastbound so nobody knitting so are you assuming at that point that they can see you and there. It's a mark car. They know. I don't lights on no overt actions. I think one of them to his credit in the left lane of the lane they were in so it was a to blame. I guess four lane highway. He puts his left indicator on. So here's a guy on a stolen car at least now. He's falling in the motor vehicle. Wanna get the app and so he's going to turn and I flashed my. I beams as of no you go ahead. Lo and behold they both said there fifteen seconds goes by. He flashes his high beams. No i insist officer you-go-first and so he's just hoping you have no ideas to go straight. They're gonna go basically behind me make a laugh out of there. They have no idea. Of course what's going on These cars. I'm positive these cars. I fly one more time. The car finally takes off to my left. And i'm on the radio. The all time guys get me up here. I got one northbound on declaration going eastbound and. I figure i'm only one car i'm by myself i can't chase them both. So is that a making a u-turn. The car that went he went left. I made a right turn and found him. I said this has to be the car. I said all right. Everybody i'm filing the black transam northbound that. I'm i'm giving direct. No lights or sirens. Nothing the other car. Go find the other cards approaching the acme at this intersection. And i'm trying to get other cars to cover that next thing you know. I'm about one hundred and fifty yards falling the only car i could follow and with no lights or sirens or nothing guy just is the gifts. I'm a fan of the movie. Chinatown jack nicholson's never been better and robert town script is the perfect screenplay. It's pinnacle film noir. 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They always get caught. Why do they do it. Fits well yet and there's been a lot of criminal and civil litigation after police pursuits and actually i. I mean i'm i'm in favor sometimes of calling off a pursuit especially the tank car now. This was a stolen car. There was no tiger on it But you know helicopters can make a difference so like i said this was a residential area. But we're talking now about four a m no one is out. It's it's basically black friday. The big shopping day. No one's up yet and walmart didn't open at five. am back then whether wasn't walmart but anyway So next thing you know the car takes off. I throw my lights and siren on. Get on the radio pursued. Everybody you know. Here's our ongoing. Look the other car and this time makes a quick turn. Can i ask you questions. I've always been curious about this. And it's one of the you know we promise to take our listeners behind police lines. I think this is so behind police lines. What does it actually like for you. When something like that happens k you're playing cat-and-mouse with this guy not literally and then he turns you follow him. Everything sort of normal. And then all of a sudden in split-second he takes off and is obviously running from you. What goes through your mind. Are you nervous. Are you anxious or are you just focused or is it all those things. Yeah i think a combination of all of those things. I mean i mentioned before. He went zero to sixty at like four seconds. Will all of a sudden my adrenaline was probably already up to about twenty In the same mph scale but all of a sudden now. Okay this guy means business now. It's danger time and we all know what can happen with these kind of pursuits and Of course the lead car and the pursuit meeting the one being pursued. He has the advantage of always know where he's going next. The police car does not at. I'm also thinking boy. There's another car. Should i follow it that one. But i just had to make a decision and say no. This is one of the most logical one to follow so You adrenaline going. What i learned after my first pursuit I've finally about four or five of them and it's very it's very It's very logical for officer to yell over the radio. And i'm not gonna try to mimic it now. Your listeners will have their ears. And i've been sergeant when other officers have had pursuits. Joe joe lower the volume. We can't understand what you're saying. Just joe load. So i learned some. It's it's it's it's a hard trick is not even a it's talent that really has to be developed that you you're adrenaline is high speed or full speed along with the miles per hour on your car. But you have to army buddy bright. No right turn onto You know constitution drive. You know whatever it is. You're driving so that's the big thing you really have to control. You are You are definitely eilly pumped during this timeframe but you can't let it sound that way. Not because you're afraid of people thinking your pump but they have to understand where you are if you're screaming and yelling it benefits on one. It's as obviously is not the same thing at all. I've never been a law enforcement officer but as a prosecutor that something very similar happened to me. Every time i would stand up to do cross examination of the defendant. You never quite knew. When the defense attorney was going to stop the direct exam she had to be ready at any second to stand up boom. Start asking questions and every single time to me in my whole career. That's all the questions i have. Your honor said the defense attorney and and then all of a sudden my adrenaline let just gushes up and you can just feel it. It's literally a physical sensation and when you stand up it's like all of a sudden seven thousand things go through your mind but you can't act like a crazy person at least not with the first question you know you have to be calm. You have to attack the cross examination. You have to be controlled at the same time. You've got this mad rush of adrenaline. So i've just always wondered how police officers you know in whether it's in a car foot pursued or even in a interrogation. How do you stay calm. Because that's a challenge for anyone. It is and at this point in my in about eight years on at this point in my career and i pretty much seen it all at least a sized pd. And i knew enough you know keep the adrenaline controlled somehow and and get the job done. And that was my goal in the meantime. I'm still calling officer dan. I'm calling his call number of course car number anyone here from officer dan. You know nothing thinking jeeze. Maybe he was parked over in the hotel. Live these guys guide. Maybe they took him out. I did something bad to 'em and no response and this after. I just had to talk with him sitting around windows open. You'll hear something. He would have been right on top of these cars. So i'm chasing this car but quite frankly i'm concerned with With with my young Officer dan anyway so the chase goes on. I won't bore listeners with left here and right there they're not gonna know the geography of Of my old town but needless to say when on for about two miles and it was a little bit icy that night to not just fog ice and now we're four zero five or ten. Am luckily no other cars out or very few and we run down one highway and cross another. He goes right through a red light and i slowdown on. Want anybody. I go through the light. I'm still there. He goes up ahead of me and he winds up hitting a patch of ice and does a one eighty spins around but the car stays on its wheels. If you will. I managed to hit the brakes slide. A little bit and i'm basically right next to him and i'm looking in the window. I have a good idea see. It's a like a nineteen year. Old kid Nineteen twenty year old kid and we stopped for a minute and my window is up in my hands. I'm trying to get things in radio. I don't even have a chance to put the window down. They were crank windows back then. And i'm just saying like you know stop here. I'm putting my fingers like stop here. He just looks at me. Real calmly which has middle finger up. It's the gas and takes off. Now you really want this guy now for the first time. I'm taking this personal. So of course i spin around on the ice i chase him back up where we just came from he makes a u-turn comes down the across the same The same red light again. He has the same patch of ice. He does a three sixty this time. I'm thirty fifty feet behind him. The car flies up in the air about fifteen feet and it lands exactly on its roof flat on its route and the chase i know is now. Everything is actually spinning around. Like a top and i said the car just flipped on this intersection. Give me heavy rescue. Get me ambulance giving back up. I'm going to be out on foot. Quick turnaround what my headlights on the car. So i can see have best view in that regard of dark intersection and next thing you know i go up with flashlight in one and my gun my gun night out but i had it on my My host are ready to be pulled out. I think another officer pulls up. Get out of the car. Let me see your hands nothing. I'm thinking this guy. He may be dead. And i see red fluid coming out of the car thinking that may be blood and just about this time. One of my officers showed up and he kinda gets the other side and he'll come out of the car hands up. Identify yourself everything. I could think up and i'm getting down on my knees. I'm no sign of this guy. Glide car accidents were little kids. You'll even know the kids in the car and because the parents may have been seriously hurt or killed and they're actually in the back seat under some blankets or something and at least one or two times happened to me. The kids survived the neighbor. Okay i'm thinking this guy may have gotten thrown into the backseat. He could be in the trump who knows we finally get everybody there underneath. We can't see a thing with this guy and we finally get heavy rescue to come in heavy rescue tow truck. We've flipped to thing over and it turns out it was antifreeze. We saw coming out of the car and the car was empty. This kid who. I saw his face once the car upside down. Pancake on the ground and the roof of this transam when these the call the t top there wasn't much of a roof and it was kind of pushed in but there must have been just enough room for him to crawl out and i assume run into an apartment complex. Oh that's done that. All you were basically making the radio call. She had to do it within fifteen seconds and he had to be a droid yet fit and probably skinny to get out that little space that was between the upside down roof and the and the top of the car door and lo and behold. We have an empty stolen car. This kid got away from me. And i just couldn't believe it and i'm still saying elsie. The whatever car. I was falling. I forget what the other one was the white transam. Did anybody see this at. And they finally found that at seven in the morning behind the supermarket. You know the loading dock or something. Someone dumped it there. So i'll end this story by saying got detective got assigned to the case. He took fingerprints off the steering wheel. somehow some ex-girlfriend got bob. She gave information and they wound up saying that was her boyfriend and his buddy who just decided to who go into the car dealership. She dropped them off actually and they somehow use the true driver and a pair of pliers and they had wired the cars and that's how they got them out they had no real plan just wanted to go joyriding. They weren't professionals. I finally looked at a photo. It detectives showed me a picture of six guys. Because i'm kind of a witness in this case they could just show me one picture. i said. yeah that's him right. There could have finger up in front of them. It would definitely be the guy and Lo and behold he was arrested. I came into the interview. Member may cup was chasing me right. I said yeah there's some prison time for this. You know whatever. I got some friends. Up in county lockup offer a he go back. Let's go back now so finally. I'm actually concerned about officer. Dan anybody see or hear officer. Dad know sarge gnome essien person. Finally i'm going to headquarters around six. Am and I hear officer dan. Call me on the radio in the as me switch to channel three kind of a private channel as era sarge I said where'd you bid down in salem harbor apartments which is in the far southeast corner of the township just an affiliate border nowhere near where we were and yes arjun have the reason. I didn't respond iran. I guess lacks so dan. We had this talk in the route. One hotel parking lot. I told you sitting still. Don't drive all these miles in the car. You come in with one hundred fifty miles. After his ship most have thirty to fifty miles. I see iran is so can you send me a tow truck office had to get it towed in. He missed his whole chase is been arrested at least one of them and he comes in. It's georgia foods. I think i should be fired for this category. I want to quit. I want to quit my job. I wasn't there for you guys. Dan did you stop and do what i suggested. And no nope. I took right off. I know stayed there within twenty minutes. I would have seen this. Go down all right dan. Well we all learned from these things. Don't we so So i go home at seven. Am get a good day sleep. I called on the phone about three in the afternoon. Despite the deputy chief and his lieutenant both guys who didn't like me lieutenant was like a director muller running his investigation 'cause he was running his own investigation of the trump light chief by all so i was called in as a witness when these so they both come in me to come into headquarters. I'm getting overtime for this. Wherever you're called in so. I know i'm probably going to be yelled at for locking up the politician two nights before but i i wanna play a little game with them. I put this all in my book. So they call me in the offset. Wait outside a little bit with the secretary. So what's this about. I don't know okay and So they sit down with me and it's funny how the conversation went. This is now friday at the thanksgiving edge gerald Tell us about this arrest. I said there was no arrest. What do you mean there was arrested. I was There was arrested. He got away. And i'm talking about the car chase from like six hours ago. They're talking about the politician the local auditor or whatever. The heck was who got locked up. I locked him up for exposing himself to a little boy. And and so we go on for like a minute and i'm purposely. Not finding you know what i mean. You loved up an order. Joe checked and we don't know why we weren't. I said oh. I thought you called me in here to congratulate me on on identifying to transact no we don't care about that week airmen and they go bowling meow for not lot. You know when it was lieutenant who actually assigned me the case to look into this auditor. Slash pervert Who was exposing himself. Two little boys so they yelled at me. They didn't congratulate me for helping. Define the to trans ams. One of them was wreck. The other one was in decent shape when it was found. And then you know week or so later Both drivers were arrested when the detective Did some work and put together so. It's thanksgiving week coming up and by the time. This has dropped. It'll be thanksgiving week's so that's what i tell them thanksgiving story. Just when i was done digesting my turkey around three a m here. I am in a give or take fortify mile car chase and eighty to ninety miles an hour sliding on ice in the fog having someone with the indignity of giving me a finger once i get right next to them luckily he was just pointing his finger up and not a gun at me. I've certainly aware of those kinds of chases too so no gunplay here. Pursuit by sergeant. Fettes is the name of this episode. Fats well it was Again we can talk about dc sniper anthrax yuna bomb. But before all that stuff. This is what my life experience was about. And it's what made me and do you know how to handle situations and how to address situations. You know what to do right what to do wrong. And i think officer. Dan told me he was a better officer after that immature after that night he realized he wasn't there for his squad and could have gotten really have been there. He could have made the arrest and he became. He still won a bunch of awards for dui after that any. I don't know if you ever arrested his mother or not. But i think he maintained he would have us still after that fact but he did make some other arrest after that and he thanked me he. He apologized profusely for missing the action. That warning thanked me too as a lesson to everyone out there listening you not to be a cop not be law enforcement sometimes. Just sit back kind of smell the roses and you'd be surprised. Keep your ears. Open your eyes open. Have to say thing and you'd be surprised what you can learn what you can comprehend and what can come to you and then you make the best of it from there. Well fence we have to ask you. Then the the question we always ask was this a best case. Worst case for you. Gus case for me i would have preferred to have made the arrest. A worst case for officer dan He learned from it which is a learning experience as we know so I think i've probably answered this way a few times. Best case worst case kind of combined but now it's it was no skill identifying these guys i just knew they went northbound. I i i swear through a few intersections of few streets and i just took my long a long shot of where they would be and put the rest together from there. I wish i could have put cuffs on the guy that night. It took about a week longer to identify him but But i'll call that a. I'll call it a best case at least for me on that black friday morning before the stores even opened. that's great. Thank you so much for joining us this week. I mean it's it's great. I know jim's not here. And so i didn't have the gyms but i have no doubt we will have you back where i'll have the gyms together again. Well is i always say. You're two of my favorite podcast interviews. Now i'm gonna make get your mind favorite. Well gyms not here so it has to be good have so france you can thank you. Well thanks everybody for listening until next time. This is best case worst case. 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"Circumstances where child was last seen and the circumstances that the job was living in at the time those things are critical to actually solving these cases. Is there any other forensics or anything else that during that six years that you feel like you're able to do to progress the case at all? So help other cold cases. Do we have because it? Just I was really intrigued I wanted to work them. I. Wanted to solve them. If you have type two Diabetes Managing Your Blood Glucose spikes as key that's easier said than done. Pendulum Glucose control is a safe natural medical probiotic, clinically proven to lower a one C and Blood Glucose spikes and is designed for the dietary management of type two diabetes. Here's how it works. Since people with type two diabetes have reduced ability to break down fiber to manage blood glucose. 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How much do you pay the people that say is it the person who cleans up after? The baked goods I make the baked goods and I get the titles. Excited about is today we have brand spanking new guest someone who is new to the best case worst case family and he is my name is Chris mcmullen M. Detective in Bensalem Pennsylvania Kim, a real detective like an actual real detective right here on best case worst case. Detective, this is exciting I'm sure it is for you Francey. Thinking because I feel certain that Chris's going to uncover some wrongdoing that you've engaged in during the course of recording these podcasts and I'll be vindicated. That's what I'm hoping. Okay well, you let onto that hope for high. Instead, we'll talk to Chris mcmullen, how you doing Chris Thank you for coming on best case worst case I'm good. Thanks for having me. So Ben Salem Pennsylvania where we heard that before Francey, we have heard it before let's let Chris Dallas. Okay. Why are you tell US Chris? Who else we know from Bensalem Pennsylvania? Be Jim Fitzgerald. Beds Fitzgerald, our old friend it is don't call him. Oh francey that's mean. Stop It. Means I like him more than you do. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Fits. So did fits work with you in Bensalem? Actually? No because he left I think he left an eighty eight or eighty nine and I didn't start there until ninety two. Young. We were in the FBI Academy together in one thousand nine, hundred, Eighty, seven. Okay. So I was even a year year off. Yeah. So I had actually met him. In the early two thousands at the Pennsylvania State Police Academy training that we were both attending and I was introduced to him there and when he was talking, he had mentioned that he had worked in Bensalem and I heard of them but I never met him. So that was where we first met about about fifteen sixteen years ago I was doing training at that time He. was involved in it yes. Yeah. Anyway. Fits and I sat next to each other in the FBI Kademi class and we sat opposite each other on the FBI's NYPD FBI joint bank robbery task force that was our first assignment in the. FBI. So that's how I got to know fits the wait. Where did you sit when you were both at the behavioral? Analysis Unit you've never said that. We didn't sit next to each other we at different offices I'm sorry Francey what am I supposed to tell you? He was down the hall rally? On the corner not very exciting. Well, so it is what it is. Anyway. Chris. Before. We get into Chris mcmullan's case I wanted to just say Chris because you're still on the job I wanted to say thank you for all you do as a police officer I know that it is a really difficult while I don't know it seems as though. Not. Much. It seems as though it's a really difficult time to be a police officer and I just wanted to say thank you because every day you have to stand up and you have to put on a gun belt to protect people like me I want you know I appreciate it or appreciate Deaden that certainly. The guys that are out there in uniform right now, they're the ones that really put it on the line, but the shit that well, please convey our gratitude to all of the finest in Bensalem for best case, worst case that will do that. Thank you definitely and Chris. Why don't we start with the case that you WanNa talk to us about where was this in your career? Well, actually started way. Before my career started. Wow. So it was cold case. Okay. So it's a cold case that you picked up at what point in your career I was thirty two years old at the time. So I I had I I became a police officer in nineteen ninety stored in Philadelphia in ninety two August of ninety two I came to Ben Salem and in January of two thousand, I got promoted to detective. Two, thousand two when I actually was made aware of the case and reopened it. Tim Do hear the tones and Chris's voice. He's on so much like Jim. Vets. Well they're from the same town. Right, I've already forgotten that part. Of of new. also happen to know that Chris mcmullen is a based when it comes to cold cases. So before you get into this one Chris I'm really curious as to. Your interest in coal cases you and I worked together on a project before and I know you really Kinda liked to dig in to coal cases. How did you develop that interest? You just of always had it I think I have always had I mean when when I made detective Ben Salem I was you know I started. Rowing case that we're GONNA talk about when I was made aware that I started. You know. I. Said Well, how many other cold cases do we have because it just I was really intrigued like I wanted to work them I wanted to solve them I I don't think although we're next to Philadelphia in Philadelphia has you know hundreds of homicides a year we don't we get our share mean some years we've had multiple ones and other years we've gone without having them but I. I just don't believe that we have enough up here that we should have a backlog of coal cases. Got It. So you took it upon yourself to get involved in coal cases, and in this particular case, what were you doing on the day that you first found out about this particular case? So it was in the spring of two thousand and two and I was recovering from I had surgery on my knee. In a cast I was on crutches and I was after a few weeks I was allowed to come back to work and just work desk duty. So I couldn't drive. I couldn't go out in the field I couldn't do anything like that. So other than talking on the phone and catching up on reports, I, couldn't it wasn't much I could do and I was pretty much bored out of my mind and my supervisor at the time was a woman named Lowest Kogen. She said I'll you ought to take a look at the rowing case and the name I wasn't familiar to me and I asked her I said what is the in case tell me about it and she said well. Back. In one thousand, nine, hundred, four up in tree votes. That's part of town and Ben Salem section called Trios. is where it was a young girl that was. She disappeared for not quite two weeks in her body was found and the case was never. And I was like, yeah I wanna see that course it wasn't in the computer because we have computers or at least that system back in eighty four. So we had to go back into the evidence room dig out the. binders the old binders that were. Dusty and whatnot, but fun fact. I've been to the evidence of the. That may maybe a fun fact for you but probably, not Bensalem police department. Stop It. I stood outside of course, I did go in. and. And that's it was part of a Cavic I. I did not require any sort of have. Everybody in like she ran a tight ship. There you go. While I was gonNA say did she order everybody around? Did she tell cheap beliefs what to do probably? I don't know about him. He told me what to do. Not Do. They go. Okay. Bensalem evidence. Yes. So we're talking about the evidence and dusting it off I. think that reminds me polls and what he did with the Golden State killer case but tell me about this. So how much of a case file was there other several of them maybe four or five of them And some you know there was one or two duplicates but. In all honesty, I had a little bit of a hard time making heads or tails because they were kind of just laying around for a long time and they got beat up and some of the pages had fallen out I had to put a company years old were they at this time so it was about eighteen years old at the time and what were the basic facts of the case that you knew when you first started diving into this case Paul the victim was a girl named Barbara ruin she was fourteen years old. Her. She was only child her and her family lived in trio switches in the upper end of Bensalem township she had disappeared on August third one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and on thirteen days later August sixteenth nineteen eighty-four, her remains were found she was skeletal and it was August how indicating she was? Dead on the night of the third she she died and she had just you know took the thirteen days until she was found. There was a suspect by the name of George Shaw that the original vestige they did a great job. They took a who done it and they cast a very wide net and they narrowed it down to to people and they absolutely were the right people they just. What they had was a very good circumstantial case but they just they didn't they lacked physical evidence or eye witness. A testimony and An in gums Chris mcmullen. And so I mean my question is I just want to remind our listeners especially near some young ones who maybe weren't even around in Nineteen eighty-four. So I just don't WanNa remind them what forensics were like back. Then can you talk a little bit about what evidence did those detectives who worked on the row in case from the beginning? What kind of evidence were they able to gather back then? Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that DNA technology didn't really come on the scene until about nineteen eighty-seven and this being eighty four. That was not an option she was very post mortem to the point where. They could not do any type of sexual assault exam on her and she absolutely was sexually assaulted and we'll get into that later as the why say that but dumb so there was there was duct tape that was used unfortunately to to to bind her hands and feet and face, and that was really the only physical evidence. That was in the case and where was she found Chris wasn't like a heavily wooded area, earn a neighborhood or It was in a wooded neighborhood actually, it was very close to her home within a quarter mile, but it was on a a residential road that runs parallel to a big highway called route one end. There's just a little strip trees in between the two roads at a little wooded area and she was in that wooded area interesting in can you set the context of the early part of the investigation fourche new Jim, talks a lot about. The FBI and how sophisticated they are when it comes to missing kids now and searching and concentric circles grids, and all this when Barbara I went missing was that kind of thing done I mean I think the early eighties was a very different time to now but. Was it was? A Barbara Hunt where were alarmed by it? Yes there was And I know that from reading the reports and from talking to the original investigators. Know, some of them still working when I started and then one of the original detectives retired shortly after I made detective but I spoke to him a few times about it because when I saw his name all over the reports I call them up I was, hey, we have to launch because I have a lot of questions for you. He was really supportive of me looking into it, which was not had. He retired how long before you retired he had only retired about a year before I opened up the case and. that. Was You know he to quote him? That was the one thorn in his side that he wanted that case saw than it was never solved than it always bothered. So can you tell us real quick? Summary of what they actually knew about the abduction having worked the number of child abductions the circumstances where the child was last seen and the circumstances that the child was living in at the time those things are critical to actually solving these cases. So can you just give us a brief overview that she lived? With her mother and father and a trailer park. Less than a quarter mile from where she was found. I know that apparently she had a strict curfew I. Think it was about seven pm had to come home. When like a lot of kids in my back in those days when the street lights came on, you had to come home. And she was very good with that she was very dependable with that. But on this particular day that didn't happen. I know that for the first hour to her mother and father went looking for her they then summoned friends and family who also helped them and it was around nine thirty that evening that they call the police and made an official report I know that at one point, there was an organized search with local volunteer fire departments I know they had a helicopter up at one point they were doing campuses knocking on doors, and where and by whom was she last seen she had last been seen was a fella name name. Hayes was a guy that had seen her. A house. She lived in a trailer park and maybe at it was a small trailer park in next to the trailer park. On the same road, there were various houses going up the roadway and one of them was I would describe it as a triplex three different apartments. It was Kinda a rancher style house that had been converted into three different apartments and it was red and I say that because throughout the investigation when reading the reports, people kept referring to the Red House, there was a little girl that lived there about three years old she lived with her mother and father and her. Mother and father were Lori and George Shaw and Barbara used to like to go over there and play with the little girl. She used to say that she was babysitting the little girl and she would tell people that she was babysitting and more than likely. She probably was but unbeknownst to her parents because back at the time her parents said, they wouldn't have allowed her to do that because they didn't think she was mature enough for that. They describe Barbara's a very nice girl but a very naive girl and maybe a little too trusting of people but there were people would see her. Pushing a little girl on swings outside and things like that, and can you describe our reforms? Chris. What did she look like Fourteen years old she had shoulder length red hair. She wore glasses. She looked like fourteen year olds looked back in nineteen eighty-four. She seemed you know I never knew her but you know I certainly know a lot about her she seemed like. A very very trusting and seemed like a good hearted child. I think she was in talking to different people. I gotten to know her cousins pretty well, who were harassed at the time when she disappeared and She seemed like a happy kid. I remember that one of the reasons that she was trying to babysit she's trying to earn money was because her father's birthday was coming up that month and she wanted to present. So. So she's a fourteen year old. She may be a little immature for her age but she was going to school. She was doing okay at school well-liked. Yes. I I never had any I never heard anything to the contrary I believe she was about to start high school that fall 'cause I know her and I were the same age eighty four I was fourteen and I was getting ready to start high school. And what time of year was a son? This was August August of Nineteen eighty-four. Yes. Can Chris when you were fourteen in August of nineteen, eighty four do you remember hearing about this? Do you remember hearing about her disappearance or her body being found later? It's A really weird connection to this case but yes. y'All it's finally. October, and what does that mean to you to me? It means costume tricksters, pranksters and ghoulish peace, and of course, lots of candy and that Candy Horn to our international listeners is here you guys might not get candy corn I feel bad for you. So here's a tree even your favorite mobile puzzle game best fiends is getting into the Halloween spirit. 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That's friends without the our best jeans. I was born and raised in northeast Philadelphia like that other guy we were talking about. and. For, several years I went to a summer Camp Cherokee Day camp, which is located up here in Ben Salem and that particular summer. That was my last year there that I was working there as a what they call the counselor in training and I sometimes worked the pool and I picked up every day on a school bus was day that pippen morning they take you back in the afternoon the route that the bus used to take it would take me straight up Roosevelt Boulevard we'd make a left on old. Lincoln. Highway and the Red House and where Barbara lived on old Lincoln highway so. Twice a day morning and afternoon I would the bus I was raped by that area, and then it would make a right on Bristol road which intersects Lincoln Highway then just off of Bristol, road was wear Barbara's body had been discarded after she was killed. So she was missing for thirteen days and for those almost two weeks. The bus I was on, kept driving by all these points that wound up being very relevant to the case years later now. There was a lot of people that worked or went to that summer camp that were local to Bensalem and I remember hearing some talk about it and I'm going to jump around a little bit but fast forward to the fall of two thousand fifteen and I was reading through reports and I found a report that. was written by the original investigators that on a can't remember what date I don't have in front of me. But in late August of Nineteen eighty-four, they had gone Cherokee Day camp to speak with one of the staff there because his sister lived next door to George Shaw in the Red House and he had actually seen Barbara on the day she disappeared. and. I read that report and I I recognize the name of who they were talking about and I said, you know I actually remember the day the police came to camp because we were all when when the police showed up, we were being like typical insensitive kids we were like all the cops are here. Someone's getting busted you now we're. One of the the senior staff, the adults kind of tour into us a little bit and said, you know you guys better knock it off they're here to talk to so and so about that little girl that disappeared he saw her and I'm reading this was I think it was thirty one years later at the time and I said I was actually there that they are remember that. So it was it was kind of a surreal experience was a little strange. Well can you just tell me a couple of things? What were the circumstances of finding her body who founded how? Gentlemen that was out walking his dog. By. That area that I described and that's how her remains were found and can you describe what that place looked like in other words? Is it viewable from the road? Is it way into these woods? Is it just dumped on the Sira? What's the? What's the deal? It was pretty. From the photographs that I had seen, it was really overgrown and really thick. It wasn't far off the road but unless you were to like walk into the thicket, I guess is putting it. You probably would not see her but the I. From what I, understand that you know the dog went in there and then the man followed the dog but maybe from the paved road, maybe six seven feet away. All right and did they ever determine how the body disposal was accomplished like what did they do today? Did they literally throw her from someplace? Did they actually go in thick it in place your body that they try to cover her do you have any of those circumstances didn't try to cover what happened was they they transported her in the trunk. Of A car and they actually parked the car on the other side on the big highway on the shoulder of the road and took her out of the car and discarded her into the wooded area. Got It. Okay. So You keep talking about the Red Shaw House and its connection to the case when you're reviewing this coal case file does that Red House. Come up over and over again. Yeah. All right. So what what sort of the first investigative line that you take as a cold case detective now? We'll having I must have read the case file a three or four tyrod multiple times that week and there were certain things are stuck out to me one of them was obviously, Guy George. Shaw who lived in a Red House and then there was a second guy involved named Robert or he went by Bobby Sanders and he was Friends with George Show at the time. They were both meth users but what I started doing after I the case was, I. Spent about a year and a half just kind of educating myself on. Finding out where George Shaw was was he still alive whereas Bobby's sanders? He's still alive. and making a list of everybody that had been interviewed and I was trying to see you know all these key players or they all still alive because I want to talk to them again and I was given the go-ahead to work on this case but I wasn't you know we're we're hundred, six, seven man police department. Now on at the time, we weren't even that big. I still had to work on my other job. So this kind of what I was doing in between. And it was about. A year and a half later that I ran into a friend of mine that. Worked for the Bucks County District Attorney's office who's detective of there and I told him about this case and he actually Expressed the same interest in it that I had, he wanted to hear more about it and week or so later we got together and I let him see all the paperwork and a reports we remember shortly after that, we met at the at the police station and we looked at all the physical evidence and the tape that was used on her body and it was duct taped but it wasn't duct tape that you could buy in a retail store. And I know this because it was in the original reports, it was a commercial grade duct tape. And there was a friend of shows that worked at this place called MC specialties, which was maybe twenty minutes away in in Bucks County in another town called Southampton. And they manufactured this tape there. And during the original investigation, they had searched Shaw's apartment and they found several rolls of this tape I didn't even know there was such a thing as commercial great duct tape for either. And so they found several roles that they seize them. They did. Yes. They had these roles, a tape and they had. The tape that was found on Barbara's body and to the naked eye appeared the same and I know that. That everything had been submitted to Quantico to the FBI to seek does the tape on her body? Did it come from those roles? Right? So you about the FBI laboratory. Laboratory in Quantico and at the time. They were not able to establish that. What they do they actually tried to match up the ends of tape that's found on her body with the ends of the tape that's on the roles to see if they can actually matchup. Like whether it was torn from the same place on cut for the same place. But apparently doubt that was a negative that was a negative and they they weren't. They weren't even they couldn't even. Whether they couldn't or at the time wouldn't say that the tape on her body was at least consistent with being from the same source and being basically identical exact same tape. No wonder. They couldn't make any arrests in this case and there was no witnesses at the time. So in two thousand and four Mike and I we resubmitted the tape to the FBI we drove down to Quantico to the lab and. re-submitted and it they did deliver but it took about. I think it was December of twenty ten when I got the report back on my. Years, you drove it down to Quantico two, thousand, four and six years later they sent you the report buck. Yeah. You gotta be kidding me first of all have date on the report not what we believe you. But what what's crazy is you drove right by Jim fits an I, the Behavioral Analysis Unit because we were working together. Then at that time, it's crazy how many different crossroads there are in this particular case, Jim Actually worked on this case to. Also he because I believe he was a detective sergeant at the time because he and I have spoken and he has told me that you know he was involved in it but not greatly, but he was involved in this case. So he was very involved somehow in the initial investigation. Yes. Yeah. We'll have to say that taking six years to do the analysis on a on a piece of tape or on tape. Doesn't sound like it's very expedient. I'm not proud of the FBI, in that unless of course, it's because they had sixty seven thousand other things in front of it. I think they had a backlog that was you know apparently, pretty significant. While I mean I you know listen in computer crime cases. There's often a six month or twelve month or even an eighteen month backlog at least there was back when I was doing those kind of cases. So I understand the demands on crime labs especially a world-class lab like the FBI but six years does seem excessively long. It was did her family. So I'm sorry Chris I. I'm really curious about her parents are I think you said she was only child so she doesn't have any siblings but. At the time you reopen the case and then submitted this tape hoping that it would. At least lead to the conclusion that it came from the same roles that were found in Shaw with Shaw's other things dinner parents know you were doing that. No I. A tough call when I reopened the case I went back and forth should I go visit her parents right now but I I didn't have anything new to tell them at the time rather and you know if something had come up where I needed to ask them specific question, I would have but. Some people think it was a good idea in some people you know I it was a judgment call and I didn't have anything to tell them. So I didn't want to give them a false sense of hope. Well, that was probably much more merciful than giving them that false sense about yeah, you know. Like I said, you know. So they never knew that the case had been reopened was being worked on your use of the tape I'm is there any other forensics or anything else that? Six years that you feel like you're able to do to progress the case at all forensically. No, there was no other forensics I had not just my son Mike and I had been. We had interviewed everybody that have been interviewed in the past we had interviewed again. Some of them were still local some of them I'm one guy was imprisoned. We had him brought down and spoke with him The two key players though the two suspects were George. Shaw who is the primary suspect and then? Bob Sanders. There was a time back in around nineteen, eighty six. I found the report from another agency in Montgomery County, which is a neighboring county where. A guy had reported to the police there that Bob Sanders was in a bar one night and he was drunk and apparently when he gets drunk, he runs his mouth and he had been telling him that. George Shaw had done this to this girl in intrigue hosts that he was responsible for the murder. That's decent. It's not enough to convict. No. But when I you know that was one of the things that when I originally read the case I'm like how come we're not going after Bobby Sanders now right and then there was another incident bobby sanders had a brother named I believe I. Think it was Billy Yeah William Sanders who at that point was deceased but there was another incident where he had been arrested again in Montgomery County he had told the investigator they're the same thing that George Shaw was responsible for this murder. And A common theme throughout the original investigation and when we were talking to people was that everybody was afraid of this this Guy George Shaw. It was a big mean tough guy and in in the photos I had of them I mean he looked like an intimidating guy. So I, you know made sense. Bobby Sanders I. Think it was around. Late two, thousand, four, two, thousand, five, he was in prison in Montgomery County. So we went over there to see him do you know what he was in prison for I? Believe it was a probation violation because he was on. Another Dui he he had a pretty long criminal record, but he never did anything violent the root of all his issues were drugs and alcohol. Well. That's what I was going to ask you Chris about both of these potential suspects that were developed at the time Bobby Sanders and George Shaw did any of them at the time in hundred ninety four have a violent history or child abuse history or child molestation history that the detectives were able to discover shaw yet show had some violence and we'll get into that but sanders. He didn't have any history of violence against people. I think he only had the only felony had was a burglary not that I'm you know downplaying a but I mean, it wasn't like he assaulted anybody him and his brother got drunk or night broke into a dairy queen and vandalized it. So we went. To the prison and spoke with Sanders and you know one of the the officers from Montgomery County that had a report with him went with us and he was helpful and that officer has his last name was tidwell. He was very important when it comes to George Shaw, we'll get to that but So we sanders this WanNa talk this why we're here and he he was. Reluctant he didn't WanNa talk to, but you know we just kept pressing him to talk to us. So we finally didn't in fact, we even wound up polygraph. That's how long we were there. And the polygraph was. Not It was a call guilty knowledge test not so much. Did you kill somebody but you know do you have do you know anything about it? You know the the questions I think it was an he failed it. He started telling us more than he had told them originally and the way the story went was that. That evening in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, George Shaw. His wife was actually the breadwinner and she worked the middle shift at a factory somewhere I forget the name of it and he would stay home with their little girl but. Basically he was he liked to get high and he liked it. He would dumb. He had gone to a neighboring town called hat borough any met up with Bobby Sanders, and some of these other people there was somebody McDonald's over there. That was kind of like the hang out spot and Apparently he owed sanders some money and he offered to pay him back with drugs instead apparently, he had some meth and he said, you know you WANNA come get high and check out my new apartment. So so he wasn't living at the Red House. No, he was the Red House I'm sorry. Yeah. The Red House was his new apartment. He had just moved into town here. He had previously lived in Montgomery County. So. The story was that they went back to the house and they got high and Bobby Sanders says that. We this is true because this was verified by Barbara. Roman's father Sanders said that at some point agai knocks on the door when in the apartment and it was Mister Rohan and he was looking for his daughter and you know they said, we don't know where she's at she's not here and That although we've figured was a lie that she wasn't there but that he had lied to Mister Rohan. Bobby started to it seemed like he was like A. Jimmy. You've interviewed people that he was absolutely lying. His He is the words he was using one thing but his nonverbal communication was screaming that he was withholding in lying. And It just got to the point where he said you know I don't WanNa tell you anything else until I talked to my girlfriend. So basically, the interviews ended. So what we did was we made arrangements to pull his prison calls after our visit. He talked to his father and he talked to his girlfriend and when he was talking to his girlfriend. He told her that we had been there and she was like, what are they want and it almost seemed like You listen to the conversation. You know he says he said only me the Lord and the guy who did it knows what happened and I said you know we were that speaks volumes. That's a pretty good admission. It's a pretty good admission that he knows what happened anyway whether he was part of it is another question. Yeah and I said you know I said I would love to know I said the girlfriend knows and Mike Mike and I were in agreement that you know not to sound is like I'd love to know what their pillow talk was. You know I mean and he seemed that he when he got drunk he liked to talk and you know all of his it almost seemed to me that he had been self medicating for years after this happened. But after we talked to sanders like I said, it was a five, zero, six I. Think you know we kind of want cold for a while I wanted dumb. Thought, the case was a good grand jury case, but just couldn't get in at the time. So I remember in two, thousand, nine, I, think. Two. Thousand. Eight. Two Thousand Nine at the twenty fifth anniversary of the case. The Bucks County Courier Times wrote a big story on it. I knew that George Shaw had lived in Florida and I had an address forum. But I couldn't get a phone number for him and I was feeling kind of frustrated because I wanted to get the case in the grand jury and it just wasn't happening so. I actually wrote George Shaw Letter Will Chris I am rivetted and horrified by what has happened to Barbara Rohan. I cannot wait to hear how this case turns out and how your investigation went. So thank you for talking to us today You're gonNA come back and tell us the rest right absolutely. Thank you all for listening to best case worst case until next time. This case worst case. 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"I'm just cook are talion your today's cbs three eyewitness news headlines a bucks county woman is dead at a hotel in miami beach florida now. Two men are facing charges for raping and drugging her twenty one year old if war collie a and twenty four year old dorian taylor are being held without bail accused of drugging and raping christine engelhard. Who was visiting south beach for spring break. The are facing sexual battery burglary credit card fraud and theft charges. A man who worked as a special education assistant is charged with sexually abusing children. Thirty-three-year-old anthony troup. Bensalem was originally arrested in march on child pornography charges detectives later identified two children. Who say they were sexually assaulted by him. And authorities in newcastle county are investigating a stabbing death of a woman on the side of the road in bear. Police found the victim and the wooded area just off county road yesterday afternoon. Investigators say a person of interest just been identified. There's no threat to the public. I'm just tally for the latest. On these stories and more checkout cbs than philly. We'll see you later tonight on eyewitness news.

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The New Atlantis, by Francis Bacon

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The New Atlantis, by Francis Bacon

"The new atlantis. This is a liberal. Vox recording all box. Recordings are in the public domain for more information or volunteer. Please visit liberal. Box dot org. The new atlantis by francis bacon we sailed from peru where we hit continued for the space of one whole year for china and japan by the south sea. Taking with us vittles for twelve months and had goodwin's from the east though soft and weak for five months pace and more but the wind came about and settled in the west for many days so as we could make little or no way and were some time in purpose to turn back but then again there arose strong and great winds from the south with a point east which carried us up for all that we could do towards the north. By which time our vittles failed us though we had made good spare of them so that finding ourselves in the midst of the greatest wilderness of waters in the world without vittles with our cells for lost men and prepared for death yet. We did lift up our hearts and voices to god above who show of his wonders in the deep beseeching him of his mercy that as in the beginning he discovered the face of the deep and brought forth dry land so he would now discover land to us that we might not perish and it came to pass that the next day about evening we saw within a canning before us towards the north as it were thick clouds which did put us in some hope of land. Knowing how that part of the south sea was utterly unknown and might have islands or continents that hitherto were not come to light wherefore we bent our course either where we saw the appearance of land all that night and in the dawning of the next day we might plainly discerned that it was a land flat to our site and full of bosca ch- which made it showed the more dark and after an hour and a half's sailing we entered into a good haven being the port of affair city not great indeed but well built and that gave a pleasant view from the sea. And we thinking every minute long 'til we were on land came close to the shore and offered to land but straightway as we saw diverse of the people with bastin's in their hands as it were forbidding us to land yet without any cries of fierceness but only as warning us off by signs that they made whereupon being that a little discomforted. We were advising with ourselves what we should do. During which time they're made fourth to us a small boat with about eight persons in it whereof one of them had in his hand tip staff of a yellow. Cain tipped both ends with blue. Who came aboard our ship without any show of distrust at all and when he saw one of our number present himself somewhat before the rest he drew forth a little. Scroll of parchment somewhat yellower than the parchment and shining like the leaves of writing tables but otherwise soft and flexible and delivered it to our foremost man in which scroll were written in ancient hebrew and in ancient greek and in good latin of the school and in spanish these words land ye not none of you and provide to be gone from this coast within sixteen days except you have further time given you. Meanwhile if you want fresh water or vittles or help for your sick or that your ship needed repairs down your wants and you shall have that which belongs to mercy this scroll was signed with a stamp of cherrubin wings not spread but hanging downwards and buy them across this being delivered the officer returned and left only servant with us to receive our answer consulting hereupon amongst ourselves. We were much perplexed. The denial of landing and hasty warning us away troubled us much on the other side to find that the people had languages were so full of humanity did comfort us not a little and above all the sign of the cross to that instrument was to us a great rejoicing and as it were a certain presage of good. Our answer was in the spanish tongue that for our ship. It was well for we had rather met with columns and contrary winds than any tempests for our sick they were many and in very ill case so that if they were not permitted to land they ran danger of their lives. Our other wants. We sat down in particular adding that we had some little store merchandise. Which if it pleased them to deal for it might supply our wants without being chargeable onto them. We offered some reward in pistol it's onto the servant and a piece of crimson velvet to be presented to the officer but the servant took them not norwood scarce look upon them and so left us and went back in another little boat which was sent for him about three hours after we dispatched our answer. There came towards us a person as it seemed of place he had on him a gown with wide sleeves of a kind of water chevrolet of an excellent as your color fair more glossy than ours his under apparel was green and so was his hat being in the form of a turban daintily made and not so huge as the turkish turbans and the locks of his hair came down below the brims of it. A reverend man was he to behold he came in a boat guilt in some part of it with four persons more in that boat and was followed by another boat where in where some twenty when he was come within a flight. Shot of our ship. Signs were made to us that we should send forth some to meet him upon the water which we presently did in our ship boat sending the principle men amongst us save one and four of our number with him when we were come within six yards of their boat. They called to us to stay and not to approach farther which we did. And thereupon the man whom i before described stood up and with a loud voice in spanish asked are ye christians. We answered we were fearing the less because of the cross we had seen in the subscription at which answer the said person lifted up his right hand towards heaven and drew it softly to his mouth. Which is the gesture they use. When they thank god and then said if you will swear all of you by the merits of the saviour that ye are no pirates nor have shed blood lawfully or unlawfully within forty days past. You may have licensed to come on land. We said we were all ready to take that oath whereupon one of those that were with him being as it seemed a notary made an entry of this act which done another of the attendance of the great person which was with him in the same boat after his lord had spoken a little to him set allowed my lord would have you know that it is not a pride or greatness that he come with not aboard your ship but for that in your answer you declare that you have many sick amongst you. He was warned by the conservator of health of the city that he should keep a distance. We bowed ourselves towards him and answered. We were his humble servants and accounted for great honor and singular humanity towards us that which was already done but hoped well that the nature of the sickness of our men was not infectious so he returned and a while after came the notary to us aboard ship holding in his hand. A fruit of that country like an orange but of color between orange tawny and scarlet which cast a most excellent. He used it as it seemed for a preservative against infection. He gave us our oath by the name of jesus and his merits and after told us that the next day by six of the clock of the morning we should be sent to and brought to the stranger's house so he called it where we should be accommodated of things both for our whole and for our sick so he left us and when we offered him some pistol. That's he smiling. Said he must not be twice paid for one labor meaning as i take it that he had salary sufficient of the state for his service for as after learned they call an officer that taketh rewards twice paid the next morning early. There came to us the same officer that came to us at first with his cane and told us he came to conduct us to the stranger's house and that he had prevented the our. Because we might have the whole day before us for our business for seti if you will follow my advice there shall i go with me some few of you and see the place and how it may be made convenient for you and then you may send for your sick and the rest of your number which you will bring on land. We thanked him and said that this care which he took up let's strangers god would reward and so six of us went on land with him and when we were on land he went before us and turned to us and said he was but our servant and our guide he led us through three fair streets and all the way we went there were gathered some people on both sides standing in a row but in so civil fashion as if it had been not to wonder at us but to welcome us and diverse of them as we passed by them but their arms a little abroad which is their gesture when they did bid any welcome. The stranger's house is a fair and spacious house built a brick of somewhat a bluer cooler than our brick and with handsome windows. Some of glass. Some of a kind of cambric oiled. He brought us first into a fair parlor above stairs and then asked us what number of persons we were. And how many sick we answered we were all sick and whole one and fifty persons. Where of our sick were seventeen. He desired us to have patience a little and to stay till he came back to us which was about an hour after and then he let us to see chambers which were provided for us being in number nineteen they having cast it as it seems that four of those chambers which were better than the rest might receive four of the principal men of our company and lodged them alone by themselves and the other fifteen chambers were to lodge us two and two together. The chambers were handsome and cheerful chambers and furnished civilly. Then he led us to a long gallery like a bigger where he showed us all along. The one side for the other side was a bit and window. Seventeen sells very neat once having partitions of cedar wood which gallery and sells being an all forty many more than we needed were detected as an infirmary for sick persons and he told us with all that is any of our sick waxed well. He might be removed from his cell to a chamber. For which purpose there were set forth ten spare chambers besides the number we speak of for this done he brought us back to the parlour and lifting up his cane a little as they do when they give any charge or command said to us. You are to know that the custom of the land require that after this day and tomorrow which we give you for removing your people from your ship you are to keep within doors for three days but let it not trouble you nor do not think yourselves restrained but rather left to your rest and ease you show want nothing and there are six. Our people appointed to attend you for any business. You may have abroad. We gave him thanks with all affection and respect and said god surely is manifested in this land. We offered him also twenty pistol. Let's but he smiled and only said what twice paid and so he left us soon after our dinner was served in which was right. Good violence both for bread and treat better than any collegiate diet that i have known in europe. We had also drink of three sorts. All wholesome and good wine of the grape such as is with us our ale but more clear and kind of made of a fruit of that country a wonderful pleasing and refreshing drink. Besides there were brought into us great store of those scarlet just for our sick which they said were an assured remedy for sickness taken at sea there was given us also a box of small gray or whitish pills which they wished our sick should take one of the pills every night before sleep which they said would hasten their recovery the day after that our trouble of carriage and removing of our men and goods out of our ship was somewhat settled in quiet. I thought good to call our company together and when they were assembled set unto them. My dear friends let us know ourselves and how it's standoff with us we are men cast on land as jonas was out of the whale's belly when we were as buried in the deep and now we are on land we are but between death and life for we are beyond both the old world and the new whether ever we shall see europe. God only knows it is a kind of miracle hath brought us hither and it must be little less that show bring us hence therefore in regard of our deliverance past and our danger present and to come. Let's look up to god. And every man reform his own ways. Besides we are come here amongst a christian people full of piety and humanity. Let us not bring that confusion of face upon ourselves as to show our vices or unworthiness before them. Yet there was more for they have by commandment though inform of courtesy. Cloistered us within these walls for three days. Who know with whether it be not to take some taste of our manners and conditions and if they find them bad to banishes straight ways if good to give us further time for these men that they have given us for. Attendance may with all have an eye upon us. Therefore for god's love and as we love the wheel of our souls and bodies let us so behave ourselves as we may be at peace with god and may find grace in the eyes of this people. Our company with one voice thanked me for my good admonition and promised me to live soberly and civilly and without giving any the least occasion of offense so we spent our three days joyfully and without care in expectation what would be done with us when they were expired. Direct which time we had every our joy of the amendment of our sick who thought themselves into some divine pool of healing. They mended so kindly and so fast. During which time we had every hour joy of the amendment of our sick who thought themselves cast into some divine pool of healing. They mended so kindly and so fast. The moral our three days were past their came to us a new man that we had not seen before clothed in blue as the former was saved that his turban was white with a small red cross on the top. He had also a tippet linen at his coming in. He did ben to us a little and put his arms abroad. We have our parts saluted him in a very lowly and submissive manner as looking that from him we should receive sentence of life or death he desired to speak with some few of us whereupon six of us only stayed and the rest avoided the room. He said i am by office. Governor of this house of strangers and by vocation i am christian priests and therefore come to you to offer you my service both as strangers and chiefly as christians. Some things. I may tell you which i think you will not be unwilling to hear the state have given you licensed to stay on land for the space of six weeks and let it not trouble you. If you're occasions ask further time for the law in this point is not precise and i do not doubt but myself shall be able to obtain for you such further time as may be convenient e shall also understand that the strangers houses at this time rich and much beforehand for it hath laid up revenue these thirty seven years for so long it is since any stranger arrived in this part and therefore taking care the state will defray you all the time you stay neither. Shall you stay one day. The less for that as for any merchandise you have brought ye shall be well used and have your return either in merchandise or in gold and silver for to us it is all one and if you have any other requests to make hide it not for ye shall find we will not make your continents to fall by the answer ye shall receive only this. I must tell you that none of you must go above a karen that is that is with them a mile end in half from the walls of the city without a special eve we answered after we had looked awhile. One upon another admiring this gracious and parent like usage that we could not tell what to say for. We wanted words to express our thanks and his noble free offers left us nothing to ask. It seemed to us that we had before us. A picture of our salvation in heaven for we that were awhile. Since in the jaws of death were now brought into a place where we found nothing but constellations for the commandment laid upon us we would not fail to obey it though it was impossible but our hearts should be inflamed to tread further upon this happy and holy ground. We added that our tongues should i cleave to the roofs of our malls air. We should forget either. His reverend person or this whole nation in our prayers we also most humbly be sought him to accept us as his true servants. By as just a right as ever met on earth were bounden laying and presenting both our persons and all we had at his feet. He said he was a priest and looked for a priest's reward which was our brotherly love and the good of our souls and bodies so he went from us not without tears of tenderness in his eyes and left us also confused with joy and kindness saying amongst ourselves that we were coming into a land of angels which did appear to us daily and prevent us with comforts which we thought not of much less expected the next day about ten o'clock. The governor came to see us again. And after salutations said familiarly that he was come to us and called for a chair and sat him down and we being some ten of us the rest were of the meaner sort or else gone abroad sat down with him and when we were set he began. Thus we have this island of bensalem for so they call it in their language. Have this that by means of our solitary situation and of the laws of secrecy which we have for our travelers and our rare admission of strangers. We know well most part of the habitable world and our ourselves unknown therefore. Because he that noth least is fittest to ask questions. It is more reason for the entertainment of the time that ye asked me questions than that. I ask you. We answered that we humbly thanked him that he would give us leave so to do. And that we conceived by the taste we had already that there was no worldly thing on earth more worthy to be known than the state of that happy land but above all. We said since that we were met from the several ends of the world and hoped assuredly that we should meet one day in the kingdom of heaven for that we were both parts christians. We desire to know respect. That land was so remote and so divided by vast and unknown seas from the land where our savior walked on earth who was the apostle of that nation and how it was converted to the faith it appeared in his face that he took great contentment. In this hour question. He said unit my heart to you by asking this question in the first place for its shoe you. I seek the kingdom of heaven. And i shall gladly and briefly satisfy your demand about twenty years after the ascension of our savior. It came to pass that there was seen by the people of rin few saw a city upon the eastern coast of our island within night. The night was cloudy and calm as it might be some mile into the sea a great pillar of light not sharp but in form of a column or cylinder rising from the sea a great way up towards heaven and on the top of it was seen a large cross of light. More bright and resplendent than the body of the pillar upon which so strangest spectacle the people of the city gathered pace together upon the sands to wonder and so after put themselves into a number of small boats to go nearer to this marvellous site but when the boats were come within about sixty yards of the pillar they found themselves all bound and could go no further yet so as they might move to go about but might not approach nearer so as the boat's stood all as in a theater beholding this light as in heavenly sign it so fell out that there was one of the boats one of the wise men of the society of salomon's house which house or college my good brethren is the very eye of this kingdom who having a while attentively and devoutly viewed and contemplated. This pillar cross fell down upon his face and then raised himself upon his knees and lifting up his hands to heaven made his prayers in this manner. Lord god of heaven and earth thou has vouched safed of grace to those of our order to know that works of creation and the secrets of them and to discern as far as appertaining to the generations of men between divine miracles works of nature works of art and impostures and illusions of all sorts. I do here acknowledged and testify before this people that the thing which we now see before our eyes is thy finger and a true miracle and for as much as we learn our books that thou never work miracles but to divine and excellent and for the laws of nature are they own laws and now exceed is them not but upon great 'cause we most humbly beseech the to prosper this great sign and to give us the interpretation and use of it in mercy which thou dost in some parts secretly promise by sending it unto us. When he had made his prayer he presently found the boat he was in movable and unbound whereas all the rest remained still fast and taking that for an assurance of leave to approach he caused the boat to be softly and with silence road towards the pillar but air he came near it the pillar and cross of light break up and cast itself abroad as it were into a firmament of many stars which also vanished soon after and there was nothing left to be seen but a small arc or chest of cedar dry and not wet at all with water though. It's swam and in the four end of it which was towards him. Grew a small green branch upon. And when the wiseman had taken it with all reverence into his boat it opened up itself and there were found in it a book and a letter both written in fine parchment and wrapped up in sinton's of linen. The book contained all the canonical books of the old and new testament. According as you have them for we know well what the churches would you receive and the apocalypse itself and some other books of the new testament which were not at that time written were nevertheless in the book and for the letter it was in these words. I barth alarm you. A servant of the highest and apostle of jesus christ was warned by an angel that appeared to me in a vision of glory that i should commit this arc to the floods of the see therefore i do testify declare under that people were going shall ordain this art to come to land that in the same day is come unto them salvation and peace and goodwill from the father and from the lord. Jesus there was also in both these writings as well. The book as the letter wrought great miracle conform to that of the apostles in the original gift of tongues for there being at that time in this land hebrews persians and indians besides the natives. Everyone read upon the book and letter as if they had been written in his own language. And thus was this land saved from infidelity. As the remainder of the old world was from water by an arc through the apostolic and miraculous evangelism of saint bartholomew and here he paused and a messenger came and called him from us so this was all that past in that conference the next day the same governor came again to us immediately after dinner and excused himself saying that the day before he was called from us somewhat abruptly but now he would make us amends and spend time with us if we held his company and conference agreeable. We answered that. We held it so agreeable and pleasing to us as we forgot both dangerous past and fears to come for the time we hear him speak and that we thought an hour spent with him was worth years of our former life. He bowed himself a little to us and after we were set again he said well. The questions are in your part.

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Bringing Up Healthy Children

Mentally Yours

26:51 min | 2 years ago

Bringing Up Healthy Children

"Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money you make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com. It's about supporting yourself in many ways you can instance. You know realizing that you're good enough. You don't have to be perfect because if you got to be perfect all the time that's never going to be able to reach reached that level and then you're always going to be kind of thinking that you not good enough mentally focus on your mental. The jets mentally mentally mentally to yours metro code case weekly podcast about all things meant. I'm Ellen and I'm Yvette and this week will be chatting to Caroline Penny. She's got a book out. Go the parenting toolkits simple steps to happy and confident children so we're going to be talking to her about all things parenting and mental health well. The books called the painting touquet simple steps to happen confident children and I wrote it because I've been working this field for thirty years and I wanted to kind of distill kind of all the stuff that I think really important on before I go Gaga. Oh just because I think gets a very rarely important area and parenting is completely undervalued but he would bringing up pigs or something bringing up pigs. If you had a pig farm you'd get Emmanuel to know how to <hes> help pigs get to the size etcetera etcetera show but when you have children you don't get anything and there's a lot of information out there which can make an awful lot easier than Dan then then it can be so when you say watching the fields. What exactly did you do well? I run parenting courses. Yes for thirty s also trained lots of people to become parent facilitators so then they can try another so then they can courses for other parents. Also you are a parent yourself yeah and I'm apparent myself and a grandparent so so done quite training training within all that as well sort of become a family therapist counselor if that when I had my children I I was already a nurse and I've done a psychology degree and I thought what I've got all covered and yet actually having children was something completely different and although skills are thought I'd learned from being a nurse obeying doing studying psychology when any use whatsoever so obviously this is a mental health podcast. Can you just a bit about the mental health side of the book well. I do talk about use supporting yourself as apparent because it's incredibly important when you're apparent that you don't get to stressed out real because actually parenting can be very very stressful so it's about supporting yourself in many ways you can for instance you know realizing that you're good enough. You don't have to be perfect because if you got to be perfect all the time that you'd never going to be able to reach that level and then you're always going to be kind of thinking that you're not good enough and that's not helpful at all so so I took a bit about that in the book and also about the basic things like you know get enough sleep and eating and exercise and they're making sure that you still see your friends friends and making sure that you feel your cup up so that you can and not feel guilty about it. Secret Luke OPS yourself as a parent so I took quite of about hat lacoste yourself as a parent but then I and I want to talk about how you can support your children said they can go up to be kind of healthy or confidence children. I mean all to life as Scott sling scenarios so not every life is going can be perfect but also just to kind of like help. Parents know what they can do. That's going to help their children as much as much as possible so see your also a descendant of Freud which is exciting being frozen a mental health heck. I think one of the things that comes up a lot in Freudian theory but also just general stereotypes of psychology is anything that's wrong with the it's your parents for how do you oh you deal with that kind of fear of messing up nicely messing up your child for life. How do you deal with that as a parent yeah? I'm GONNA is really hard as pervent because you always feel. We feel that you're to blame. I'm for everything very often and also always feel very judged as well so it's quite a so different. It's very difficult position to be into be apparent <hes> but I think I think if you can just say that I've done enough done. A suicide occurred on that I've been I've been as good as parents could be then that can kind of help a lot and I also if you're curious about you know if you look things up you're curious about what is out there to actually support me. I think very often when your parent you've only got one model and that's a model of how you were brought up and if that was brilliant. Ah then it's quite good to think what they might some other models. I can kind of do some research. You are committed to get some help so that I don't need to be up my children in the same way I was brought up and that's and that's very very important. What and another thing around that as well is so if your parent and your child's you know got some mental health issues? It can be incredibly worrying because it's not like they got physical illness where you know that if you take antibiotics you're going to get better or if you've got a broken arm after three months is going to be better. You don't really know what the prognosis is. Are they going to be anxious for a long time or depressed or whatever Sir can be incredibly boring as a parent when you don't quite no you know how long it's going to be whether you're just gonNa be anxious forever all or depressed. Oh down kind of of ice. Would you give different sort of in that situation <hes> because a lot of for lots of people <hes> people's would've stopped experiencing mental health issues around in the teenagers <hes>. What sort of advice would you give? Parents Dentsu say that child is on an exciting forty in that niches. Something's happened <hes>. What would you say to them? Say First of all ready China listen to your child to kind of really see what's going on and sometimes you have to be a little bit like a detective because sometimes it's not all that obvious but really try and see what's going on underneath. What's what's triggering that behavior in your in your child Toyota lesson soupy like a detective so really really listen also charges so acknowledge their feelings said that they feel that you're there for them and try and get some help customers health out the arms? You have to fight for it but there is some help out there either go to the G._p.. Refer to camp so the toddler adolescent mental health services so that you can get health. Also I think the government's was a putting a lot of money now into schools into mental health in schools so you know maybe go to the school and Silicon find the child account slow. I think just be an eighth year actually is if the child knows that you're very therefore them. Sometimes they can feel a D._C.. Got Some be on their side not quite so lonely an isolated you take it seriously I think acknowledging feelings is a big kind of running theme throughout the Book and You told me about doing that from very young children thoughtless tantrums up two teenagers. Why is so important? Can you tell us what more about why it's key to acknowledge. You know maybe feelings that don't make sentenced to US yeah. Ah I think acknowledging failings will kind of key and like even if they don't make sense to you just kind of like being able to put it into words particularly maybe for toddler you know say fences are toddlers. I haven't availed Tantrum because they want home the same way that you went but she you want to go different quick away for instance just Bensalem. I know that you really want to walk home that way by that tree but actually we have to walk home this way because I need you to get home quickly. She put into words what you think. The child is up she feeling and you also saying correct the reason <hes> can actually help the child able to process their own feelings Ling's so then they're able to actually take older to actually say what they're feeling and they're not gonNA cannot bottle it all out and also they won't then just when they are unhappy. Go go from not degrees to one hundred degrees just like that because they're able to connect talk about what they're feeling and why they're upset. The got a lack of vocabulary for their feelings so that can seem a bit stupid to be talking into a three-year-old about what they're feeling Sanyo. No you're very sad because you're sand castles got broken by the other little boy but she's quite important to give them that emotion recovery that it's okay for them to have those feelings so upset several key and also it also shows the child that you are that you will never that you on their side and you understand what they're feeling and then they don't have to acted out by the behavior been regressive. Whatever I think also that as adults we might not be that good at expressing our feelings ourself? How do we make sure that we don't kind of poss- on maybe those unhealthy coping techniques and also make sure that we look after her own mental state while also looking after children yeah? I think that it's a very good question and I think looking after your own mental state is really important and I think sometimes when you become a pair of it and you got an opportunity to repair yourself as in some ways but is to kind of thing you know you ready want to get it right for your child and if you think gosh maybe may be. I need to get a bit help myself before you know when I have my I have my child. Maybe that's a good already good idea. Maybe I'm going to bet therapy or sell. I thought that also like when you do have a child. I'm for a long time. I've been running parenting groups and I've been training other parents parenting groups and other professionals as well so don't that go into a group where you can learn the skills or does let can actually be enormously beneficial official to <unk> help not repeat patents which haven't been helpful to you and you can can transform your life in lots of ways. What are some of the common things that have come? What few in these parenting groups were lots of kind of like worries about children said lots of worries either about the offer is about the children's behavior that is either very aggressive aggressive all that the company understand so either the child's been very aggressive two siblings all not doing what they're told or not listening <hes> sometimes it can just? Just be like that and some as just by learning some Ray <hes> simple to such as you know playing with a child doing chart lead play with your child for maybe ten minutes a day can rarely improve that bond between the parent and the child so that then the child is acting out so much hasn't been adapted isn't being aggressive or been so angry because they know they're having a special time with you. Other other things that apparent can do is like praise you know give into very specific praise and then the child's more likely to repeat that behavior more often <hes> and also come not labeling the child because he start labeling the charter spin naughty open difficult obained shy obeying anxious all the time then ray often you can get like a self-fulfilling prophecy and the child will you know will do their best to fulfill your prophecy said trying to you know not to label the child but maybe discard the behavior is much more helpful awful so some of those positive things of converting change behavior analysis apparent to reflect on why you think their child is behaving that way and to think about your own childhood a bit and think what what's it like for me when I was told off because I came home late or whatever just to get you back into what it's like to be. A child can be very very helpful. We hear a not more these days about mental health issues instead of much younger children as well gee than that's because there's more about what you think it's just because more people kind of talking about it. I think maybe more people talking about it but I think <hes> I think family life now in this person generation is a lot harder than it's ever been before because I think there's many more pressure on families. <hes> <hes> often both members of families after work or if you're alone parent you'd have to work <hes> this not so much time this send many different pressures on new ally that the the Internet <hes> screens so it's it's compared to harder. I think to actually be the permit and you want to be then may be so in previous generations. I think there's also more pressure if you on Instagram pinterest and like mums sites of kind of perfect parents held up yes. How do you deal with the pressure to be perfect and do everything the right way yeah? It's I think I I'd it always took a lot about. Don't try to be perfect parent because that is hiding to nothing you know you discovered feel off all the time never gonna be there but that it's l.. K. Just to be good enough and that is really important and premise to have but I also try to keep away from people who kind of like post always pictures of them and all their kids having a fantastic time been fantastic parent is the E. C. and you know I'm the best in the world because if you Kinda with those people with time you're just GonNa fool terribly depressed because normally parenting. Is it like that parenting haskell enormous highs. It's got enormous lows and the intensities instead of the failings can be amazed can be quite incredible rarely <hes> but also you know as a parent. It's very celtic very often. You know children make an enormous about a mess is is it's difficult to kind of keep organized and you don't have any time because you've got be with the child so you know so. I'd say really try to keep away from people to say it's very easy and they got perfect families and you N._F._l.. Relationships accenture because you know you're just going to feel like hiding away. Never coming out. What's remember that the Internet is in everything on Pinterest? You'll see mums making she liked these detailed Bento boxes that kids lunches every day. Done is not realistic and that same person isn't sharing the pictures of the tantrums the gross nappies et Cetera uh-huh yes yes it's important to think about so development as well that children go through different stages and you know you have to have like a child development perspective this will she people talk about the terrible twos but actually that's a normal will stage of a child becoming an individual becoming themselves and so it's not that you know you're terrible mother or something is that the child is becoming to individuals into become who they are so you know they're not being you know you know a devil child opening up city or for that just doing what they should be doing. What was it of challenges? Did you have <hes> in terms of mental health when well as apparent newsouth found grandparents I think just having children you know I found quite difficult. Which is why I actually went to parenting course when my kids were quite small and that made an enormous difference to me I think with other parents been able to share kind of the Good Thompson? The bad times made such a different so I got really you know I got really empowered. What an I think I lent some things which I didn't Ebola Francis acknowledging feelings and what a big difference that could make in my family and also about thinking about how you know? What is the need behind the behavior by you know? Why is he doing that? A why is she doing that and I think I meant so much form it that I I've already I really want to stay working in this field as well. I think if all parents could use lovie skills and it's not rocket science. And somehow it's not getting out there. which is another reason why wrote the book because I thought I want you know all parents to have these skills? You know that is that they have like a parenting touquet so that they're not always at sea but they've got an idea about what they can do in the children behaving different ways as a parenting expert. Who's written a book? Do you ever feel tempted to like micromanage other people's parenting like do you have a notice. He we'll parenting in a set way. I wanted to stop you there. That's not quite right. I sometimes I try not to but I can. Sometimes I can get quite upset like if I'm out I didn't know without having to picnicker in about about six months ago and there was a family scenario and there was a father who was getting so cross with these two year old child who was just kind of like been a normal too euro child but what was going on before so but you know he was being quite scary. He was making me feel scared so so sometimes I can feel fit more sensiti. I feel a bit more sensitized to than maybe it would be if I hadn't studied so much on parenting so but so it was the question again to sell that always even you feel that way. Do you find yourself getting involved. No no ident- very very restraint. Don't get beaten up so no I don't but using my gosh I wish that person could go to parenting course or something 'cause I can kind of see that that's just not helpful and sometimes you can see people that doing things in the best possible intention but but you know that is having just the reverse effect and so it's not been helpful. What do you think of the kind of parenting trends that go around so like recently those panda parenting and like Tiga parenting? Oh yeah like Tom Yeah think of those. Do you think that can be helpful. They making things was I'm not sure I think the tiger mom thing I think link at. I think it's not that helpful. Actually I know that you know if you if you're tiger mom Yoyo maybe your children too terribly well and they will end up you know Oxford in Cambridge Harvard or something thing but I think that you know the child's mental health will be affected because they're not allowed to be who they are and they're being news just as a object rarely to be can manipulated so. I don't think it's I mean there's lots of different ways of bringing up children and in tune you know can be happy successful an it also depends a lot on the child's L. makeup their own genetic makeup how resilient they are but I think if you know being tells to work you know do homework all the time and being bombed and not allow you go to five hours piano practice every night or whatever no book said that the child had got was teeth marks in the piano child was so upset about having to do piano practice all the time so I don't think that actually helps in my opinion I think that it doesn't it the child who they are and the child you know it's nothing worse than us an adult if you being brought up to be somebody else and who you really are you not been sent to you know you're not. You're you put like a full self. You're not you don't know who you are so so I think it's much important that parents really trying tune into who their child is. It's not trying to make their child something else and final question obviously there's no like one secret to parenting otherwise they wouldn't be books about but if they're like three things that you just think every parent should know to raise mentally healthy children and set their children up for the best possible life. What would those three things being with us it posts a free things <hes> acknowledging feelings nordion feelings feelings then having boundaries because children a much happier if they have boundaries me not I mean kind of like the right the vikes sort of boundaries to be too tight? They don't want them to be to lean loose but just kind children feel much safer if they got boundaries and also kind of unconditional love so I think those three things of rarely rarely important lesson the things you know and then they can read my book coke because that's the other things it but anyway but I think those if they did those three things I think that would do an awful lot to help your child. Go Up to bear happy. Confident Secure Adult built chose me segment come online and have a chat with us on facebook. We've got a group called. Mentally Yours also were on twitter at Mentawai arrests and if you've enjoyed the show please give us a rate on a review. Thanks very much to our producer sump on them and to the Breezy Baker for Jingles and right now at T. 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Episode 135: Riverfront Moving & Storage (Guest - Jerry Reeves)

Rotated Views

1:09:09 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 135: Riverfront Moving & Storage (Guest - Jerry Reeves)

"Welcome to episode number one thirty five riverfront moving and storage. This is devoted views podcast with Jimmy Lee. The crew giving you life from various perspectives. Welcome to our level. We hope you enjoy the views. Brought to you by the blessed lifestyle brand visit DL three s s dot com to get blessed. Also, sponsored by the motivation unleashed this motivational mixed your fuel for success available on all platforms. All right. You were now tuned into the rotated views podcast. I am your host Jimmy villas. I'm here with Gabe. Manny and the man himself Jerry Reeves riverfront moving and storage in this episode. We have special guests Jerry REEs partner in M S. We cover topics that range from entrepreneurship, small business, personal development and much more. We wrapped the episode up with quotes from Bruce Lee, and Eric Thomas guys if you're new thank you for joining us. Don't forget to download and subscribe drop a new episode every Tuesday morning for your listening pleasure kicking things off man of the hour. Jerry. Thank you for joining us here super pump. The have you on for those of us who do not know? Explain little grout who you are. And what you do. I want to say, thanks for having me. Absolutely. My name's Jerry Reuss. I run a managed riverfront moving and storage. We specialize in household and commercial moving. We're located in Bristol PA. That's basically what we do. Yeah. So so how did you get started in the industry? Okay. To be honest. I never planned on doing moving. Yeah. Unemployable running a moving company at implant on managing it when your kid. You don't say, hey, I want to grow up and be a mover. Like, nobody says that you know, you know, I went to school. You know, went to college. You know, six months I was in. Yeah. And I was like Kazan for me. It's not gonna work like, I couldn't adapt. Yeah. The classrooms were too big. I went to temple. Yeah. You know, I walked on played football. Yeah. And I was just like, I just couldn't do it. I have my little tape recorder in my pocket, and I would try to record lessons. I get back to my room and press play it the Legos in church. Just wasn't for me. I can't do it. I was like, man. I can't do this. You know, and it's courtesy after I went through. I was like, man. I can't do it. I just left college is like, and you know, I got my daughter's mom pregnant at the time. Yeah. You know? And that situation was real crazy for me. I was all over the place. Right. I was trying to figure things out. You know, you're eighteen you're nineteen years old. You don't you don't really know what you're doing? Yeah. And she had complications with the pregnancy. You know, not just with the pregnancy. But even delivery yet. Well, no, we had our down at children's hospital. We found out a couple of weeks before she was born. There was something wrong. We didn't even know it was just it just happened. And for for kids that are that young you go from canceling like baby shower and probably like setting up funeral arrangements. Yeah. You know? So it was it was it was pretty deep, man. And you know, and that was probably one of the hardest things. I went through. Yeah. You know, and she wound up having a C section, and we had our at shop and she came out, and she was healthy. Like, she didn't have to get put on any machines or anything, but she was born with no arms, you know. And for me, it was really hard at the time. But even with her mom, she was like what's wrong with her? I'm never gonna feel. Her again, like it was one of the hardest things I had to go through and you figure when you have a C section you have the screen up. And you know, it's like it's last time. You think you're? Yeah. Feel this baby for me. It was like really really tough, you know, and she came out, and I saw her and she's like what's wrong, and I'm like nothing. She's perfect. And that that you know that was hard. You know, you know, I think offer that everyday. Yeah. I do. Yeah. You know, it's just it's a blessing that she made it out like they told us like she's either going to be stillborn or she's going to have five minutes to live. Well, like, how do you tell somebody? That's the shirt. You know what I mean? Yeah. Heavy superheavy, you know, and like year after that, you know, I wound up getting jammed up. Yeah. Couldn't figure things out sticking to a strict code didn't exist put my friends before my family false loyalty, all the things that you don't think about when you're young. You know, why why do you think why do you think you were you were you chasing something that he thought was going to come into fruition? Or was it just figuring it out really just trying to figure things out. And then at that time, you know, college didn't work out, you know, then the situation with my daughter yet. And it's like how are you going to provide? And how are you going to do? This is still in party mood, and you're not really paying attention to what's going on. You're like, oh, well, you know, you start thinking, hey, well, am I really gonna make it or am I gonna wind up somewhere else? And you know, things kind of lead one thing led to another and my life changed in a matter of seconds desert. You don't say, hey, you're gonna plan this out it just kind of happen yet. You know, and that that false. Loyalty, man, you see the kids now in all that, you know, no snitching and this and that and like I get where they're coming from. But these guys nowadays like they don't they have no respect they have no respect they're telling on each other for no reason like we didn't do that. When we were young. We didn't go and just grab a gun or grab a pistol. And there was something wrong. Fight it out in the next day. You'd be best friends. And it's not like that you couldn't disrespect a neighbor street. You can't do things like that. You know? And and it's like if you did that they might do something to you. And then they take you home to your parents. It was just like just from a different error. But it was crazy. When I I wanna well, you know, I got in trouble. And I met a guy there named Dray. And he's like he's one of my best friends till this day. Wow. And he basically had a job set up for me when I came home. Well, like in the the reason a lot of people fail. The either don't have the support system or the, you know, the all the cards in the decker stacked against you. And you go back to what you know, how to do and you fall right back where you're looking, you know, you're you're looking past the front door. That's what I call. It's like that you're trying to chase do with the Joneses are doing or things aren't happening fast enough. Then you made all these promises to your kids like when I get home. I'm gonna make all this money. And I'm gonna take you here. And then you see how hard it is. And then they're like, not your kids are looking at you. Crazy. Yeah. Like oh. I thought you were going to do this. I thought you were going to do that. Like what my daughter because we did a lot of groups all types of things with my daughter when I came home, all I told her was I promise you. I can't promise you everything that you, you know, that you want. But I'll give you everything that you need. And I promise you, I'll never leave you again, unless you know. It's my time. Yeah. Takes me out of here. And I meant it. Yeah. You know, what when you said that let's back up. You have a lot of time, right? Is that is that kind of your kind of did you have like a paradigm shift while you're in? And you're just like thinking rethinking how you can obviously. Because you said everything happens so fast. So while you're there, Dan, I got to make this right? Kind of thing you have to make a personal choice. What yourself? They don't tell you. They'll say, oh, well, we rehabilitate, and yeah, you know, we're doing all this stuff. And you got to rehabilitate yourself. You got to want it. You got to want different. I was never a bad kid. Like, I never went out and said, oh, you know. I hope we get into something. And we brought up. We were brought up fighting. Yeah. And and. You know? That's just how that goes. But how did how did you? Did you meet Dray? Oh, I met Dray just I wound up being in there, and it wound up we were we I think we are either lifting or we're doing something he wound up, and we wound up being sullies. Okay. And we got real cool. Yeah. And I mean, he he got out way earlier than I did. Okay. And I mean kept in contact with me, I came home. And I mean, he basically got me right in the door one of the guys that was on his crew. He brought me right on they train me. How to drive the trucks train me. How to pack the trucks how to run a crew everything, and I wound up being a really really good mover exceptional. Yeah. You know? And I wound up running my own crew. I was training guys out to pack trucks. I was training guys. How to do stuff it? It was just it was it was different man. And I tell them to this day like I'm indebted to a man because you know, I love you man for a long time. And and I just had a lot of things in a lot of people that were put in my life at certain points in time, you know, and it just kind of helped me out. So how did you go from you know, being? Becoming basically a professional mover at this point to then making decision to do this whole thing on your own. That's a good question. If I back up, and I say like, I became a really really good mover. I wound up loving it. And went it wasn't like nothing. I did before. Yeah. Used to drive forklifts. I used to do that you go to the warehouse. You punch in the clock. And you know, you're you're stuck there for eight hours a day. Yeah. I was going when I came home. It was my freedom. In a truck every day. I was dealing with customers every day that was it was something I wasn't used to give me that freedom and the ability to get around, and it was the same type of work, but it was a different place with people every day. You know, and I loved it, man. I loved everything about it. So we know. So when you came out, you weren't nervous, right? I mean, you know, coming back into the world coming back into society you jump in. You have a job, you know, interacting with people where you nervous you. Then you would just excited about it. Wasn't that easy? When I couldn't even by sandwich. Wa wa. It was hard because they had the screens. It was technology. It was terrible. It was like there was so much things that in a didn't give you the price or the calories and all that. So I went and older sunflower seeds, and I left. It was horrible. And you know, even I remember my brother taking me around and going shopping. It felt like a camera was me. I couldn't couldn't even by pants or anything like that. I would just leave him. Like, I can't do it. It took me a couple of years to adjust. But being around people every day and talking to people, you know, especially that company helped mold me. Yeah. Because at first I was just really technically a laborer. And I went I wanted to drive. I wanted to do certain things. I had my license. I had all that stuff set up. You know? And they're like, well, if you're not driving we hired you as a driver. We're not gonna pay you as a driver. Yes. You do it, you know, and I came on. I started driving and I started doing it. And but I had somebody else doing paperwork. Okay. Because I was scared to talk to the customer, and they're like well being part of you know, if you're a driver, you have to do all these other things, and he's like if not we're going to give you a pay deduction, and I'm like are. Well, that's me. How to do it? 'cause I it only took shit it only took one or two weeks. And then after that, I didn't my my check was looking crazy. So yeah, you know, I kind of stepped up to the plate, you know, when I was nervous at first. But then it just flowed because, you know, even though I got myself into some things like we've always been genuine people. You know what I mean? I it just comes across that way. Always live off integrity. It's it's just one of them things. And I I adapted so well to that. Yeah. So how did you? Mold yourself. Do you think your oh, you always were a leader? Because it just seemed like on sudden you had your own crew in his own. Just the know how it wasn't that. A lot of things with me was my my brother was a really big motivating factor for me. And I mean, I know I went off on a tangent. But to be honest, do you know, how I really started this because I was just giving you a little background yet. I wound up you skip a few years. You know, I was a senior already driver. I was on my own crew all this stuff, and I got fired. Yes. Fired from my job. Wow. So you know, and I didn't save any money yet. You know? And it was crazy. If you even if you take a little step back from that, you know, I didn't get fired from my work performance. Had nothing. Do I was wanted to highest paid employees? And nobody even knew I was. Yeah, they pay me a certain amount of money on the books. Pay me money off the books paid me on everything I sold, you know, it's because I mean, my value exceed my. Cost. Yeah. You know? And I love it didn't feel like work to me. Right. Right. Right. I don't know why loved it so much. I just did everything about it. And. In what happened is in in January and February moving it's very slow. Okay. Okay. And wow, I really didn't know had season. It's nobody. Nobody spends money after Christmas and new years. Yeah. It makes sense to get super super slow. Okay. I was working three to ten hours a week. Ooh, I couldn't FEMA while. Yeah. Okay. And my brother the whole time he's never really worked for anybody. He's like stops leaving for this guy. He's like, you know, one part of the removal business is you know, scrap metal. And you know, he taught me everything about it. Like, he's like, it's tax free money. He would call me every day. He's like, oh, I just made three hundred bucks. I just made two hundred dollars an hour later. I just did this. You know, and I'm like, yeah. I'm going to quit my job on a quit my job. And he called me the next day you'll bro where you had. I'm like on my way to work. It's like that rat race. It's the thing. It's like, it's what we're taught, you know. And you know, I wound up getting. My my first truck and this was around. It was in January, you know, and he had already taught me how to do everything. And like when you guys got here. I told you like my first truck I ever bought I bought it with a WalMart credit card. Yeah. You know? You know, I went in line you want to apply for a WalMart credit card, and I'm like, yeah. And they shot me down at the register, you know, and they mailed it to me, you know. And I found this truck on on route thirteen the guy wasn't there. He sent his wife there. It was on a lot. And they were like, hey, you can get this truck for thousand bucks. And I was like, okay. And I'm gonna pay you cash. I got to you know, the auto tags place, and they accept the discover card's in the WalMart car was a discover card at the time, and they let me run it. So I still had the money in my pocket the truck it was a stick shift that didn't even go in the first year. It was a Ford straight six and my brother helped me put the walls on it. Jay Mongolia was starting his business at that time. I ran into him. He got sheet metal from I think he tagged up the side of the truck some cards, and you know, I was technically in business. You know, and I was driving around. And like, I said, my brother had taught me everything about, you know, picking the trash like the difference between the non first medal, and separating it from things you can capitalize and make the money and the copper and stainless steel, and aluminum and all these different things. And if you just drop something the way, it is you don't make any money. Yeah. You know, taught me all the trash routes took all of the guesswork that he figured out on his own. He kind of gave it to me, you know, and I will go to work everyday would show up at work every day and. My truck was loaded after about two or three weeks. I mean, I was making a hundred and fifty to three hundred bucks a day. Well, I'm pulling up at work, and I still showed up every day. There was no work. Now is leaving. I wasn't waiting to see if there was a call, and I would leave and I would don't my truck and I would load it come back. The next day truck is loaded again. There's no work. I would leave and you know, and I planned on leaving in March. It was the February he called me in office. He's like, hey, why don't you come in office? I gotta talk to you. I get an office shut the door. And I'm like, hey, what's up? He's like. Yeah. Just want to let you notice at the end of the road for you. And I looked at him like he was crazy, right? I laughed. I'm like, where's my job for tomorrow? He's no, I'm serious. And I'm like, well what's going on? He said, well, I see you got that truck out front and you're not working exclusively for me. And I'm like, dude, I'm working three to ten hours a week. I can't feed my daughter. Yeah. He's like, well, you should ask me for more work. I'm like, I'm a seniority driver. You gave us our our folders with our name on them the day before. And even though there's no name on a folder with, you know, and I've been here all these years, I still show up to work six days. Never missed a day. And I'm here by seven o'clock every morning, and he's like, yeah. Well, I see it at your scrap metal. You may eventually think about stealing from me or take him on metal my mouth dropped while and sold of my integrity. I looked at him. I said are you serious because I used to promote his business and everything. Yeah. Like, I went above and beyond. And I looked at him and his face in his man didn't blink looked at me and my facing, Saddam. Fortunately, I am. And I didn't get upset. I didn't Kurt like I was upset inside still a man, you know, and I walked up to him. And I shook his hand. And I said I wanna thank you for giving me opportunity when nobody else did. And I wanna thank you for teaching me everything that you did. And he said, yeah. Good luck. And I walked up at door, dude. I left out at air. And I mean in about probably three month period, I probably stack twenty grand just picking trash do. And then I got hurt. She's and I'm like, oh my God. I was frantic. Yeah. What do I not do? I wasn't saving any money. I never had money before spending as fast as it came in. And. It it was it was like a lesson learned. I'm like, oh my God. I didn't finish college. I didn't stack. No money. What do I know? How to do that can bring money if I'm hurt, and it doesn't matter, and I could still feed my family, and it was moving. Yeah. You know, I'm like well an auto talk on the phone inaudible. You know, book jobs. I know how to drive a truck and not teach people how to drive the trucks, not a pack a truck to do everything except during the work in right? I found that's the hardest part. The restaurants coming. Oh my God. It was horrible. Like, oh, this is easy. This is great. You know? And there was a lot of lessons, man. And I mean, even at the, you know, at that time, I mean, I remember after we had, you know, the the trucks are first moving trucks were you whole box trucks. Yeah. And my brother was going to buy one said, well, he's buying one. I have a little bit of money. I'm gonna buy one too. Yeah. Mine the brake line was broken on it. And we were pulling the break in the parking lot. We couldn't take it on the road. Well, so we took a chance got it. Towed? Got it fixed. My truck wound up lasting longer than his truck. And it was crazy. We just learned so much along with the process Jay tag that Trump to. Yeah. And we I remember I booked my first job. I still had the U haul tags on the thing because you know, book my first job. I'm like, this is great. I'm gonna going. I'm going to get the registration and a box trucks. Registrations. Like three or four hundred bucks like a regular Trump. And I'm like, it doesn't matter. I booked a one bedroom apartments going to be like four to six hundred bucks. I'm going to be cool. And I'm on my way to the job. I get a guy to go with me, and I called a customer like fifteen minutes out. And they're like, oh, we moved yesterday. We forgot to call. You. And it just taught me like never count your money before you get it. Stay t used to always say that to me, you know. So it just taught me a big lesson. And you know, even with that truck, we had I started to book work, and I remember I had a Honda Accord at the time we went up there were so many pitfalls. We went out on the job. We came back the river it came up yet down off of mill street, and my car was flooded. The what it was all the way on it. They were they were literally riding canoes in the parking lot. Oh my gosh. It was always across the seats. So I'm like, oh my God. I gotta get my car out. I walked down there. It's up to my waist, and I drive it out. Now, my bras like, what are you doing? It's Honda is like, it's electrical. He's like drive it back in the water. You got full covers like what are you doing? Drive it down. And you know, the insurance obviously, they only gave me three grand for the Detroit. I mean for the car. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like what do I do now? Yeah. You know what? I mean. Do I go get another car? I didn't go get another car. Yeah. You know? I went and got a logo made. Yeah. I went and got the street team. We printed up probably like ten thousand fliers, and we just started guerrilla marketing, you know, a lot of research went into like if you live in a house, for example. I don't care if you're renting or you're buying like you stayed there for three to five year period. You have all these apartment complexes and things like that you sign a lease every year. Right. And I would I tried to do it the right way. I went in and I would go find out who the property manager is hey, can you put me in you're moving packets and all this stuff. And they're like who are you? You know, they had no idea. I had no track record, you know. And they wouldn't let me do anything. It was terrible. So then I would stick with her complex. Yeah. I did. We would go out, and we pump the flyer's on every door, you know, and then they will call us. But you've got flyers flying everywhere. This and that and I'm like, well, where are you guys located at you know, and they would give him the address, and I would come in and set up a meeting with him. Yeah. And like, hey, I don't want to solicit your people to move out. But when they are ready to move you want them to use a good service. Yeah. And this is what we can do for you. Right. And I would set up a meeting off of that. And then there were some things that we would do when they wouldn't let me in. You'd be surprised what like a box of Joe and some donuts will do right right now. They remember you next time. So crazy. But I mean, it's it's a lot of things that we did and still failed. Yeah. But we embraced it. And I mean, it was starting to business almost went down only four or five times. And I remember hearing Will Smith say something one time, it was like, you know, there's no reason to have a plan b because it distracts from plant. Yes. Not like put all your eggs in one basket. But it was like I was already so invested like I can't just feel now like I had to make it work. Yeah. Like, I had no choice. Yeah. You know? And it's just the grind, dude. It's like every day, you get up and people don't realize like you're the first person up your last person to go to sleep, even after they come in and do their shift, and you're checking emails, and you're doing this and then payroll, and you gotta make sure everything street, and it's a lot who you wear a lot of hats. Yeah. So where are you? How are you recruiting your guys? Like, how did you get guys that were loyalty you you said you had like a street team? You guys are doing grill a marketing. Because I know for myself in the things that we do it's not easy for someone to buy in. You already have to have that report so to speak with someone and they're like, whatever he's doing. I'm down for you know, that kind of thing. I don't know if that's how it operated for you. But had it really work out. Do it's it's one of the the hardest part even with business in general is having reliable people because you only have you. There's not another you. Right. You know what I mean? And it's like some people are just here for a paycheck. Yeah. You know, they don't wanna grind or build with you. Or, you know, and that's probably it's the hardest thing to deal with because it's like if you book all these jobs for the guys that you have. And then somebody doesn't show up. You can't just say, hey, well guy didn't show up. We'll move you next week. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. You have to make things happen. And you have to go out there and do that. That's it's it's very hard. Even now even today like we you know, we can go online, and we can. You get the same people. I don't care if you pay people or you go on monster or any of these other things you pay all this money. And you get the same type of clientele that you will if you go on Facebook or Craigslist or anywhere else to advertise on when you start like, it starts out with friends, and you know, friends of family and things like that. And that stuff never works out. Yeah. You bring them on. And it's like they think they can get away with things because you're cool. But now, they don't realize business has no emotion. Yes. Like a really worked hard. I had a lot of guys in place in. Thank god. I got the guys I got because they make they make my job so easy. Yeah. Like, I trained him. I put certain things in place, but they keep it going every day. Yeah. You know, they ride for me, man. And I and I take care of them. Yeah. So you mentioned as your childhood. Like, you know, me and my family were fighters. How do you is that something that you apply to now run run running a business being a leader? You say like so many things went wrong, and you just out of experience, and you have to go through these things is that is that something you kind of apply the really as a fighter you gotta get up. And just try again, not only that I like I was trained my whole life a train with Tommy macgonagall one atomic zone. First black belts. Okay. When I was ten years old nice. You know, and it's crazy because I still speak to them till this day. And he was like my second dad, you know, my brother clung to my dad, I was around like with my mom from getting because I'm the oldest. But I was training since I was like five years old. And my dad was playing pro softball at the time, and I was training. Right. I was in karate. I was you know, we were traveling. I was fighting. And you know, that was the biggest thing, and he he always tells me he's like I could relate. He said because you remind me a me. Yeah. You know? And I grew up fighting. I remember even a time when I was young like my dad was a gentle giant like everybody loved him. He you know, he was great. Yeah. And he would always make excuses for me and everything else. He was telling my mom like bomb that boy alone. All right. You know, and he would make up all these, you know, he would he would just he protected us to the fullest as a provider. Yes. Was you know, I still remember even like from a young age when I was a child. I remember one time I went to school had to be in kindergarten. I remember it till this day, and I came home somebody took my lunch money. And I came and my dad was a monster. My dad was like two hundred seventy five pounds bodybuilding. You can put cups on his chest. And he said, he's like why are you crying, and I came home, and you know, and he's like what's wrong. I'm like I didn't eat today. Somebody took my lunch money. He's like somebody took your lunch money that I worked for and since you to school work, and I was more terrified of my dad than anybody else. Like, he's a monster. He's my hero. Would he's also like right? I'm not messing with him. And I was like I'd rather, you know, Duke it out with somebody. That's my size. My dad. Right. Right. So and then after that it was like I never really lost a fight again yet. I've always done and I love like when people challenge me. Yeah. And like, it's just one of them things. I've been fighting since I was young. We grew up on a block like we didn't have everything. Yeah. You know? I remember my mom used to get food stamps incentives to the store this is like before the access card. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know and taught us how to pick trash like, aluminum, cans and Sam's Club. I don't know if it was called it at the time, but took some initial money took us there. And we were even running a store out front of our house with the cotton candy machine ice pops and all this other stuff. And then the money we made we couldn't spend it to get we won't we had to go and get more product. So there was a lot of things that weren't still with us. Then us when we were young, and they just use the resources that they had because they also still said, hey, go to school. Get a good job. You know, go to college get a good job. Right. You know, and neither one of us finished college. Right. You know, but they used what they had to to teach us everything they could, you know, and I'm grateful for it made me fight everyday. But and in retrospect people right down the block from us. We thought we were struggling we were blessed compared to the people down the blotter. Yeah. You know, we never had the lights off in. We never went hungry. And they may do it what they had. No, my mom even till this day. Day. She'll say things to the kids like she was like the second to the youngest. And she would get the shoes pass down the dirt poor, and they would have the holes in them by the time. She would get him things like that. Yeah. Like, she even says things to my brother's daughter like, I know you're not cutting the crust off that bridge. No. Sodas a lot of things, you know, we just we learned as we came up, you know, and and once I got to a certain age. I just thought I knew everything, but I've been do we've been fighting our whole life, you know, and we still fight everyday now. Absolutely. Even in the same town that we're in right now, like even this this company, we open this company in the community that we grew up in right? You know, what I mean, we've had a lot of issues, you know. And I don't know if it's, you know, directly towards us, or if it just has to do with we don't fit the mold right of what's going on out here. And you know, we're still here. They're you know, they you can't stop something that when you know, I believe in something that's a lot stronger than the people that are around me. Yeah. You know? And I believe you have a planet set out for you as long as you go the right path. You gotta choice, you know. But I worship somebody who's way stronger than the people that are around me. So absolutely. I don't take. For granted. So I'm like there's nothing else. You can really do to me can't handle I've been through everything you could possibly think of. What? What's your motivation, my motivation? Yep. Definitely my kids hundred percent yet kids, my mom like my kids. Just because I think as a provider, and as a parent your job is not only to be able to provide for them. But also to make sure they're okay. When you're no longer here. Not just while you're here as my mom from day. One has always told me like you're going to be something special. Yeah. You're going to be able to do this like I had natural talent. And things I've talented. I've never even done anything with. Yeah. Brothers. Like, dude. What are you doing freezing? You know, and probably right there at the top is my brother. I can't even really put it in the words. He's one of them people he motivates himself like, for example, we're from the same cloth. But if you have like a, and I can figure out being D, right? Like him. He can have nothing, and you could say like you can't make no money off them cigarette. Butts out front, and he'll come back a week later, and we laughing at you Gina pockets full of money officer at both right? Right. Right. Like, and he's he's a true true. Entrepreneur, you know, true entrepreneurs create other bosses, and he's done that multiple times. Like any continues to do that. You know, when he teaches me things every day just about not being complacent. Because once you think that you figured everything out just want everything goes down. You know what I mean? And you just gotta keep going, and you got to you have to grind like, you're broke. Yeah. You have to do it like you have nothing, and you live the way that you lived when you had nothing, and you still give if you don't take care of people on the way, and you're not, you know, you're not genuine, and you don't have any type of integrity, and you're just selfish and your about yourself. It'll never work. If you don't put God first, it's never gonna work. You know, you have to do that with everything. That's how I live. Anyway, you know what I mean? And not saying everything's gonna be peaches and cream because it's dude it's been. A hard road. It's still hard sometimes. So you you Anna, you and your brother, I don't know if you guys went with anyone else. But I know you and your brother just came off of a I believe it was a cruise in Jamaica with featuring Eric Thomas, who's a well known motivational speaker, he has all kinds of books and materials out there to help, you know, people. Become better versions of themselves. If we as we always say what what was that experience? Like, why did you go to it? And you know, what did you get out of it? It will he basically he called me. And he's like Dante's birthday was on the twenty first. Okay. And he's like dude I want to go to Jamaica. They have this motivational. Speaking thing, you know, Eric Thomas going go. And at the time, I didn't even know who he was. Yeah. You know, but my brother every morning, he would send me all types of motivational stuff. Yeah. And he still does. Yeah. And I was like, well, I'm down if it's going to you know, if we can hear some other stories, and it's going gonna make us better. And it's in Jamaica right to win with I'm going. Excuse me. And you know, I was always scared to get on planes and stuff. But we went there, we we met ET we met CJ we met his mom, we met all these people and just in general the things that they talked about and the things that they were setting up and the things they were doing in the community. And you know, you spend all your money and your last money, and you're you have an event and not one person shows up. Well, and like, it was just crazy. And then they just talked about like four different animals like like, you have four types of people. Like, you have a really of a Flamingo. You have you know, chameleon turtle and all for animals, you gotta figure out basically like what you are. Yeah. And then after that, if you figure out what type of animal, you are then you can be better at business and other things there's ways to figure things out because like, for example. In business. Like, if you're a turtle on your slow, and you're never deciding on things, and you can't figure things out. And you always, you know, you're you're very meticulous. And you do things right. But you know, if you're in a meeting or or or you're in a boardroom, if you're not a guerilla like they're going to you up and spit you out, right, right? Like there was all like all these scenarios. He was given. And I haven't really did the assessment and figured everything out. But there was just four levels. And he just talked about relationships and things being like all relationships should be fifty one forty nine percent all of them. He said at the at the least it should be fifty fifty. He said, but there's so many relationships that are out here that are eighty twenty. He said, you gotta get them people from you cut them off at the neck. Well, you have to because if not they bring you down to their level, and you can't survive if it's always one sided, you know, there's just a lot of things that I that. I just picked up on. And I mean, it was great overall like they had nutritional people. They're talking about things in general. And they had it set up, and it was like a schedule for the whole week. Like a seminar was every day. Yeah. While we were there. But I wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world. Even when we got his mom. She's like, oh, did you go to Philadelphia? He was just there. Like, no, we came to Jamaica. And he has another event that's coming up. And you know, we're going to probably go into that too. Well, but it was just so many things that you could just relate to on that level because we do we wing things for years. And even now like there's certain things even with social media and stuff like that. You know that we don't have all that stuff figured out. We basically word of mouth is what built this business, you know, and just backing up everything you say, you know, but that that's seminar. It was great for me. I loved everything about it. And in general, they had it set up. Really? Well, so you said you said. That was you've never been to a seminar before right? Motivational seminar is is personal development something big in your life. I know you said your brother sends you, you know, Texans tough in the morning, and obviously you just came off this, and you're going to grow from here, obviously trying to move on to future events. But was that something that you tap into it all personal development? It's super important. Do you gotta go hard or go home? Yeah. If you come in you have step things that's the same results. You're going to get right on like, it just is you have to the the the hardest person to to even deal with is not even everybody on the outside. A lot of times at yourself. Absolutely hardest thing I ever did was looked in the mirror and broke myself down to the core. And there's some things like you tell yourself all the time. Like, oh, I'm perfect. There's nothing wrong with me. But when you're you, you're only lying. The yourself in. God. I mean, you could lot everybody else. You can't lie to yourself. You know, and it's like how long Zana last like an it's like you have to be motivated you have to be driven. You have to go out every day and and just grind, man. And no move is is worse than a bad move. Yet. You've got to get your feet moving. You gotta do things. And I'm not saying everybody can be a balls yet. You know, but you have to do if you do the same things every day, you're going to get the same results. Right. Don't wake up and complain about this. And that do something different. I don't wanna hear that every day. Do something different if you're miserable. And you don't like it just go somewhere else. Even when I was working somewhere else. They would complain. Like, how do you smile every day? We talk about like you're going to be here for eight hours, sometimes twelve miserable. When you first get here. Right through to twenty two hours from now, it's going to be a nightmare. So, but you have to do it. And you know, but sometimes I do sometimes I do need motivation. You know? My brother is a little different. He's just motive. I mean, he wakes up like. Yes. Ready and. I struggle still sometimes, and I don't have everything figured out doodo not bit know better than anybody else. We struggle, and I make mistakes the problem is now like when you make mistakes, it's on a way bigger scale. It's not one hundred dollars. Like, it's tens of thousands of dollars that you can lose. It's it's a nightmare. Like you learn from your mistakes. And if you don't, you know, you can your business can shut down to now when we were just about to get the show started. You got a phone call or shooting out text messages. How do you organize your business in a way of getting your guys ready to rock and roll for the next day? They basically we have a schedule there. There's jobs that are on the board and every night. I make sure that I shoot a Texan guys. You know that are on yet. We usually only keep like enough employees to cover the jobs for the workload for that time of season. You know, like in the summertime you can have anywhere from fourteen to twenty guys rocking, but in January and February it might only be eight. Eight to twelve a lot more lean. Yeah. Because the the workloads not there, you know. But that's basically what we use you know, and I'll hit him up. I'm like if you don't hear from me, you know, text me. And usually we and we work on the seniority system to the guys that have been here for a long time are obviously going to work more hours than their guys that just started, you know. But that's basically the system that we've had in place should do. They meet here in the morning, or they just meet at the location. Do they have their own trucks dot ORG? We have a lot. Now. We're all our trucks are okay, they meet their in the paperwork will be in the trucks the night before they'll lock boxes on the truck. So they come in the paper works already there. We have a big trailer. There too has all their supplies everything. You know, there's those trucks are specifically. They're just, you know for protection, or you know, it's all bar wire. And everything is everywhere, but they used to be parked in the parking lot. Yeah. They're not there anymore. But you know, we had to make adjustments. Sure. And that's what they do everyday. They they used to meet here every morning, you know. But then it was like oh. All these guys are out front. You know? Right. And then there was just all types of things that were going on, you know. Yeah. Then they started complaining about the trucks yet. And you know, I it was just we're like, let's just get the trucks out of here yet. And you know, even the business. I don't know how long we're even going to be here. Yeah. We were looking at a place in Bensalem. We were looking at diamond furniture. Okay. No. And I know my brother went up there street road out right on perfect location is. Yeah, you know. Hydrate their storage facility and turnpike's three miles down the road. You're gonna move the Bensalem, and they basically shut us down. They you know, you could have went to the variance hearings and all that stuff, but they said to run a storage facility in Bensalem township. It'd be a great business for this township. But it has to be on five acres land. Not three. Jeez. And they shut down. They shut down rural farms to, you know, a lot of pool up here. Yeah. Shot us down. So there's other buildings, but I mean for a storage facility like that building would have paid for itself on a couple of years, and they wanted a lot of money for like two point three million for well, you know, but you know, there's other buildings we haven't really figured that out yet. But you know, once we get there. We'll do that. Yeah. I I have a question for you talked about, you know, one of the biggest challenges keeping your guys around. And now, you have guys at work on a seniority system through those kind of tough times, you talked about you know, almost losing a business. How'd you keep your guys loyalty where they friends or? I mean, you know, what was it about it that that kept them coming, you know, everyday for work. Some of them are some of them are friends, not not a lot of them. There's there's only a couple that are friends that have been here from the beginning. Right. You know? And we do we run through guys, you know. And they don't realize what it is because moving a little different than than your regular nine to five. It's really hard to keep guys if they're not a mover like you have to be cut from different club. Like, for example. Most people go to work every day and their shift is. From this time to that time, and you have a fifteen minute a thirty minute break moving not like that today. You might be on a one bedroom apartment that's two and a half to four and a half hours or you might come in the next day. And you're on a two truck six-man move. That's twelve to fourteen hours here it fluctuates so much. But that's the hardest part about even keeping guys. So if you're not used to that lifestyle a lot of people can't adjust because you don't your family life struggles, my family life struggled even running a business in general. You're like, oh the level of just with that. It's crazy. And you're like, oh, I'm gonna make all this money. It's going to be great. And this and that and then I don't wanna work forty hours anymore. Now, you're working eighty to one hundred. Chapel. Right. You think you're changing it for less time? We're time with the family. It's it's the opposite for small business. I mean now you're running what sixty to eighty hours a week. Just don't and it's all most of it is behind the scenes, right everything. Nobody sees. Yes. It's the emails in the corresponding with customers right everything from running credit cards to everything confirmations. And you know, there's so many things that go on with business that you don't see that's going on. And then even if something goes wrong and dealing with customers and don't do audio. It's so much. So what's your what's your, you know, obviously, you've never gotten to the breaking point. And there's always going to be struggles. But, you know, classify what you know, what a perfect day is for you. You know, just from morning to end what's a perfect day for Jerry reef an arm as I haven't had one yet. Really to be honest. Like, I mean, you always hope that something goes perfect. Right. It never ever goes. Perfect. Not unless there's like one job that day. Right, right. Yeah. Right. That's it like. It's never perfect businesses. And and you have to be able to make adjustments to because if you can't you're you're going to go down flaming, right? I mean it so so for you is it just managing pretty much many crisis every day because it's never it's always a little ones that stack up like in just wear on just beat you down little by little little by little, you know, how do you manage that? You know, how do you course, bond with your your customers talk to downtown? Like, how do you go about it? It's the micromanagement is the hardest part with this. It is even as far as like if we didn't have if if we didn't have the women that we have in the office like for me for my side. I would be all over the place. Because they manage a lot of the paperwork and all that stuff. There's with moving companies. There's a lot of legalities now and things in rules and regulations and things that you have to follow. And if it's not followed to a T, they can take your licensing operating authority. Well, so you really have to you have to know what you're doing. You can't just wing things, for example. Like a lot of people don't even know like moving is regulated by the public utility commission. Now. Okay. Why? I don't know just how the categories of business it is. And it's like if you don't have if you don't have the PUC number in your household moving company, you're illegal well, his two years to get a license nightmare process. I remember you talking about the nightmare. Yeah. So it's like you go to get licensed, and it's not like being election or something. If your electricity you go to school, you get your certification, you go to your local municipality, you know, pay whatever the dues are and your license in that township or like moving regulated by them. So you put an application. It's three fifty for the application that goes in. It takes them six to nine months to review it. Well, okay. And then that time period. You have to prove niche for your service in the application without saying, hey, I'm working already. And I know I can do this. Can you? While it's pending new operating illegally. No, not at all. So and then if you filled out everything right in accept the application, then it goes on the bulletin every moving company in every area. You're trying to move and gets the protest again, a license. We had a lever eleven moving companies protests against us. Well, well, and now you need a lawyer for litigation because in a four startup company that has no money in order to go back and forth in they're like, oh, well you want to open in Bristol. We can't stop you from getting a license, but we're going to keep you in Bristol and levittown. They try to keep you away from the places that have the Kotel. Well, then you we'd yourself out. You don't want. There was a lot of moving companies opened a year we open there's only a couple of us left. Yeah. And did, you know one another did, you know, who they had no idea? But it it's a it comes out, and you can see who's applying. All right, right. I don't even follow that stuff. I was gonna say if you if you wanna work, and you're out there's there's so much work here working Grindley. And I mean, they had to go through the same process. Also, sure. But for me, it's like, you do all this stuff and. And it's like they can't really protest you in Philadelphia. Yes. Philadelphia that like the population. There's so many people you can't possibly say can cover all Philly. Right. Right. Right. It's impossible nor nor do does everybody want to cover certain areas affiliates short. But it's true. You. It's like this is the land of the free home at a brave who knew it would be so hard, and you do all the things to do the right thing. Right. And there's so many roadblocks and things you don't know. And then it's like you like finally we're like we got licensed, dude. And we're like this is great. We're going to go out. We're going to get all these contracts. It's going to be great. And they're like, oh, well, by the way, you can't ten ninety nine guys you gotta get workers comp. Wow. And you gotta get it through swift. And they charge you thirty nine percent off the top well for company that's already not making any money and like for other businesses. I don't really know how it is. But for moving not only do you have the licensing, but you all you have your G L policy. You have your commercial auto insurance. You have your worker's compensation. You have cargo insurance. That's like a balloon insurance in case. Something happens to the stuff in the back of the truck, right, right? Bondage insurance, all this stuff? And it's like, how do you survive in in the beginning you're renting trucks, right? It was. Crazy, like, even when I started this company. There was things that I put in place that separated me from other people. But it almost shut me down like most movers. If you move. I don't care if you're moving one piece, or if you're moving in an apartment, they'll tell you. Hey, we got a four hour. Minimum. We have a six hour minimums. Right. Oh them for six hours worth of work. Whether they'd do anything or not, right. Like in the. Yeah. Move whatever you want. He goes for six hours. You know? Yeah. Because you got to try to stay you gotta you gotta try to stay competitive, but also make money you have to make money or you're going to you know, belly up. Yeah. And there's rules. We have to follow to like if you're doing local moves you have to charge by the hour and charge a travel time. So you'll see all these people on Craigslist, and all these other places. They're like, hey, we'll do your move for this flat rate. They're illegal to do it by law. Yeah. Like if you're moving over forty miles, then it's based on weight mileage of lewd, not time. Okay. Like we have rules. It's super if not they take your thirty. You can't operate. Well, they have a lot of regulations like they come in. They audit you, they do everything. They check your drivers make sure they're drug test eight check everything why do you think it's so heavily regulated? Because you're you're in trucking and hauling yet, you're going across state lines other things you could be transporting anything. Even as a household moving company. Like, we we could take your girl from outback, but we can't transport the propane guts coin currency firearms ammunition liquor. There's certain things, you know, live plants. I don't take either. Because there's no way to really protect them. You know, but there's just certain things that you're not allowed to transport anything combustible, or, you know, especially in the summertime you figure if you're in a truck, even when you're packing that truck in the summertime say, it's ninety degrees outside it's probably hundred ten in there. You wouldn't put protein propane tank or something in there? If you want it it can explode. Yeah. You know? So they have the rules in place for a reason. I think it's for good reason. Sure, you know, what I mean? But I tell people every day the number one question people ask me about moving like when they call. They're like, hey, are you insured, and I'm like, of course, we're insured. You know, what the number one question? You should ask somebody as are. They licensed right because they're not licensed. They're not regulated. And the problem with that is they could be the nicest guys in the world show up at your front door. And a rental truck. They had a website up had a metro phone Google voice number attached to it. Hey, we'll meet you had your other location your truck, don't make it. Right. And you don't know who is there or they break up all your stuff. You don't have no recourse, or they get to your new property, and they slip and fall and get hurt. And so you worker's comp dude. There's an people don't think about it. They just think about the price that I think about the quality of the work. They don't think about those type of things, and there's I mean there's a ton of people. I talked. I don't win every job. Sure him when I talked to people like. Parenti is what works for this company. It just does. I'm straight up and down. This is how it goes. And that's how it is. You know, like pet peeves for me. Like are the worst is when you go over and beyond for somebody. And you take care of them yet, and you agree on a price. And then the quote that you sent them is spot on and you get to the end, and it's time to pay. And they're like, hey, is it the best you can do. Sharpen your pencil. What do you got there? This isn't a negotiation able to scope it work. It's crazy. Yeah. But there's so many things that you just don't know. And when you're not taught these things you kind of just going through the motions in winging it, and then you're you're failing. But it's costing you money. Every time you make the wrong move yet do but I am braced the failures. Just like the success. Yeah. I'm super humble in a lot of people don't know how to take me. You know, I had some unfortunate situations, man. But that's not really the person. I am. You know, I take people every day. I love it. I'm super humble, man. I put God, I would everything I do man. I think that's and we we used to do things for people like we were brought up like that. Like, you take care of people. Even when you have nothing I'm not saying like do something to wear it's going to hurt and you can't take care of your family. Sure. But you have to do think there's you have no idea how many people you run across every day. And there's people that you know, like, there's people that are suicidal. There's people every day, and they made a thought of doing something yourself and just a smile or a Hello sometimes could change their whole. You don't meet people by chance? Right. There's a reason everybody runs into somebody. Like, you do that. There's a reason for that. You don't know what that person was going through? And just hey like works. I do it every day. You know, there's times where people have talked to me and had no idea. I was going through something. Right. And they just mentioned some things, and I'm like man, it's really not that bad. Yeah. You know, when you take a step back, and you have to do that. And you have to regroup man. And just be fortunate for the things you don't. I mean, I mean the things that you have because most people, especially if you're on social media like most people don't social media every day and that somebody's highlight reel. Absolutely. That's not real life. Absolutely. Oh, you see this person? They're going away. Look how happy they are. And then you're out of the local bar, you go somewhere, and you're talking to them. They're like, oh my God. Dude. I gotta get away. You know in everybody goes through that because we Latian ships like you you have guys, and you guys my brother says it all the time. And he learned it in church, you know, like guys work respect and women work off love and emotion. You're never going to really see eye to eye man. But you got to figure out how to get through things together. I talked on every day. That's why you know, we sound very similar. We talk alike, but we still have different personalities. You know what I mean? And we bring different things at a table. So what what would you say to? I don't know. Maybe like a late teens early twenties kind of just someone who's just lost not can't really figure gather, all you know, it all together and just trying to make way they're not. They're not having any, you know, while thoughts or anything. But this all just lost. You know, it's crazy. Even my daughter, my oldest daughter. Yeah. She was going to Penn State yet, and she stopped going. Yeah. And I'm like, what are you doing? Why did you stop going to school? And she's like, well, you figured out. You didn't like college and six months, can I? Yeah. That's the response. I get might drop. Yeah. So for me. And I'm like, well, you don't got a plan. That's problem. But it's not like a conversation. My mom went ahead with me. Like, oh, you have to go to college this and that because obviously I found a different way. Sure. But I asked her I told her I said, what are you passionate about? She's like, I don't know. That's the problem. You know? And nobody knows what they want to do at that age. And I asked her what are you passionate about? And she's like, I don't know. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna tell you like this figure out what you're passionate about and figure out how to make money doing that. Yeah. We'll figure I'll help you figure it out. I said because money does not make you happy. Yeah. I promise you it does not yet. You went from somebody who had no money to makes a lot of money. Right. It doesn't make you happy. It doesn't you have to find out what you're passionate about. Because I don't care how much money somebody pays you. If it feels like work, you were going to go to work, and you going to hate your life. And then later, you're going to look back like I wish I would have did this, and you have to help people along the way, but you have to start somewhere, and it's so hard to just say, hey, I'm going to do this. Rama do that? I would I start with things that you liked to do. Everybody has natural God given talents. Haven't a lot of people. Just haven't tapped into absolutely don't know. What that is. Yeah. I didn't even think I could do this podcast. Right. Be honest like even up to when you guys got here. And I'm like, I think I got to go to the bathroom. You know, it's like, and I have no problem like sharing or talking to people. But it's like once the red light comes on. It's like, you know, everything gets silent. Right. But you you have to get your feet moving. You have to you just got to try something new failed at area late. There's so many things that people just don't see about it. What we failed that? And then they want the worst is when they want the results, and they don't know how many times you failed get to where you're at. So. Yeah. Like when you're like on your last, and you max out all your credit cards, and you do all this stuff to make sure your guys get paid every week. Yeah. And you can't pay your bills, and you're still trying to keep the doors open, and you have no money for advertising. Yeah. So the only thing that you can do is going flyers in pom-pom. There's so many things dude. You can't advertise on the internet like especially in the moving industry. The those national companies are paying ten to fifteen grand a month right to be on the top page Google. I don't care if you paid five grand six or eight grand. You're never going to be there. So you have to find something different. Yeah. That's separate you from somebody else. And I did that. I was like dude the only people that are in business or Chinese stores pizza shops and they pump flyers everyday yet. And we had like eight different versions and only one worked. I had one customer one time with a flyer. She's like, oh, where are you guys located? It's not on the flyer. So I was like all right. Well, maybe that'll work, and I put the address on five thousand fliers, and I didn't get one phone call. Well, do and there was a lot of money for flyers. Because you're only order them in a certain if you order them in bulk their way cheaper. Sure, and I took them off like we had all these different versions. There was only one version that worked yet we still have until this day. Yeah. That's what I hand out everyday door hangers everything it's the same version that I had ten years ago. And then I would I would find a area, and then we would circle out, and then we would come back three months later and keep doing the same thing because the more people would see it like even with the flyers and things like that that. Fliers are active in the passive people that are actively moving especially in complexes every day, but it's also passive. They know they're going to sign that lease again or move somewhere in six months to a year. So they hold onto it because the flyers nice and glossy. Okay. And it's like, and it's also you gotta realize too. It's people that are looking for deal. Okay. You don't I haven't pump flyers in two years. Yeah. You know what? I mean also been on the internet for the last three years, but a lot of those companies that I think tried to start and they failed so fast is because we built we build a million dollar company do from word of mouth. Not from the internet because you go and get a website, and you pay these people they're targeting you too soon as you get your number and all this other stuff you start getting phone calls, and, hey, we'll set up your website. And I see that your Google listing isn't doing this. And we'll do this SEO optimization for you. And blah, blah, blah, and you pay these people and yellow book and all these people and after you make that down payment. You can't even get nobody on the phone. You just pay fifteen hundred dollars that you had to work hard to get. And they don't back up what they say. And then you're stuck in a contract for six months to a year. Like, and that's not the only one in you have yelp. And you have all these different places. Right. And it's crazy and you have to figure things out because then your website is just floating in space. Nobody sees it. Right. How are they? How are you going to get on there? Then you spend in you're renting trucks, and you're trying to flip cost and you're doing all this stuff. And it just doesn't work out. You know, and they they fold gassed. Yeah. There's a lot of movers that were around here. They ain't here. No more since we're here. And we don't get any walk in traffic. Right. None. We're just here. You know what? I mean. Yeah. But we do a lot of work. We do a ton of work do. Yeah. So so in in wrapping things up what what is one thing. Maybe to whatever you want. People to new you four or or remember you as. Everything now is really about creating some type of legacy, man. Yeah. Yeah. For sure I'm I'm just out of age. I'm a little older than a lot of people. Yeah. I don't want to be known as oh. That guy air, you know, I want to be like that guy. You know, has has really done things and changes life in really came out here, and and helped a lot of people out. Absolutely. That couldn't help themselves. Absolutely. No, even with moving. It's not even just like it's not about the money anymore. Like, we have a platform now where we can really help people. Yeah. And I haven't even gotten to that level. Like, they're like, there's four levels of business. Like, my brother will tell you like, I you got you. Gotta learn how to make money for yourself. Then you gotta make money for others. Then you have others make money for you. And then you have your money make money for you. Yeah. It's only four levels like, and I'm telling you now like, I'm probably only between two and three. He's at three and four, you know, what I mean, there's just different levels, but you have to embrace where you're at and capitalize and master your craft and what you're doing and don't have any angles if you're s and somebody, you know, you get a gut feeling you can see it you can feel it yet. I can the funniest is when somebody's trying to get over on me. And I know you're getting over, and you really think that just because you got what you were asking for it at you really got over. Right right inside. I was like, hey, like, I knew what you're doing the whole time. You know? And you just you just gotta keep moving forward, man. And try and be better every then you are the day before you have to man. And even when you can't get up man get up anyway. Yeah. If you wake up in the morning, man, you're winning. I love promise you. So is there anything else you got a lot of notes? I mean wrote a book over here. So. Sure. Anything you've got on your nose that you want your you want? You have to say I I don't want to. I don't want to cut this short. Yeah. I didn't. I was just looking at the questions, and then I started writing, and I haven't followed anything it usually happens. They usually, but the that writing process does create the creative juices going anyway. So it actually is helpful know, there's a lot of things like I know like specifically like I have certain things that I remember about moving like as far as when I got one of my first contracts, we didn't really make any money yet. And there was these these guys came in and they bought up all these properties. And you know, they told everybody to hit a certain amount of time the move out, and they would give them money towards a move if they stayed on the complex or with one of their properties, or if they moved out, they just moved, but you had to go because they renovating on the places, and there was a lawyer that I moved there probably a year prior to any kind of gave me the inside scoop and. Once I got the in Scott scoop, I wound up going, and I happened to go on his job. And when I went on the job he told me what was going on. I was like, well, where's the property manager? You know, I wanted to cut they had four buildings. I mean, there's probably. Seven hundred apartments on that one complex like, and I went in and I talked to him, and it was funny because the guy's name is Steven. But you know, he's like, hey, I'm Stefan. And I'll never forget it. And I met him. And he was like, well, what can you do for us? You know? And I was new at the time, you know. So I kinda to get my foot in the door. You know, I kinda made a deal with them where like for one bedroom apartments, and these are in high rise buildings so it's not like moving an apartment where you can park the truck right there. Right. These moves. Would take forever off from the dock to the elevator? There's only stuff you could fit on the elevator. Then you get up to the top of the building. And they're always at the other end of the hallway. So I made a deal with these people we wound up doing like three four hundred moves for these people, and they were supposed to be packed and ready to go. And there was a guy that I met. This is probably the this move sticks out to me the most. Yeah. And I'll never forget him his name was captain wit. And he was from New York, and he was in a wheelchair and his hands were, you know, crunched up. Yeah. And he couldn't pack anything himself. I found out later like he owns all these allow restaurants like up and down like Manhattan del square and all this other stuff, and it's fifty cents awful. You know? But at the time like he wasn't packed. And it was one of the last moves, and he has all this. Nice stuff. Yeah. And I was like do you're not done, and we can't do it. And I went and I sat and I thought about my daughter like she's in a wheelchair all types of stuff. Yeah. And me, and my guys they came in rocked out. And we still did it impact up all the stuff, and we got him out of there, and I wound up being really cool with them. And we wound up talking I went, and you know, I went and met with him a couple of times after that. And before he finally moved all the stuff up in New York, but I wound up meeting with them and talking to them. And it's crazy because my guys had told him. Oh, yeah. Well, he produces music. He does this. And that he told me he's like, you know, whenever you have whatever you're doing together, he said just contact me. And I'll make sure you get the directly, you know. But I ain't no I never really had to figure it out. I still haven't that's something natural. I do. I still haven't done it yet. Ten eleven years later like I still haven't I didn't want to exhaust that. And it's crazy because as much advice as I can give somebody to. Start. And I tell them just get up and do something, and this I've been successful at something that I never planned on doing her head talent doing. Yeah. And me myself, I got my own demons, and I'm still scared to go and try because I don't know how to do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, I still struggle. So other people that are think they haven't figured out. They don't they don't if you do man like, I don't have it all figured out for sure, you know. And that's something that I'm passionate about like, I love it. I love art. I love music. I love all these things and most artists only, you know, they make it after they die. You know and stuff that I never really tapped into my brother. He says he's like now imagine ten years ago, if you were to did what you're really good at as opposed to something that you kind of figured out along the way. Right. Right. Right. Be you know, and it drives me crazy because he's like, you know, that music not doing any good sitting in that, computer. Yeah. You know? And I knew everybody, you know, I was like in a studio what some of the friends that. I knew when they know you know freeway and hey Smith will Smith's nephew. And they got me in there to like just bring your machine and don't. Yeah. I'm like just don't mind machine. You mean, you're going to have all my music. Like, yeah, we're going to clean everything up. And you know, like when you're recording you have to track everything out. Yeah. But for me, I'm like, I didn't know anything about computer. I'm like, so you're going to have all on music. I don't know you from Cana pain. And I was just like, no. And it wasn't like, hey, we'll just hope something happens or somebody does something or blows up. Yeah. I had to make money when I came home. I had to work. I had to do certain. Yeah. You know? So for me. I mean, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent. But it's just I still have my things like that. I haven't figured out for sure it goes to show you I'm human, dude. And I'm in touch what myself, and I know what I'm good at you know, and sometimes I still get a little nervous. And I don't know. I don't have the right answer. You have to tell you. I tell customers every day like if you have a question and you've got to answer. And I got the do a moving. I'm gonna give you the answer. I don't know to answer. I'll tell you. I don't know. Yeah. Like, I got too many people around me to think they know everything I'm not that guy. If I know what I'm gonna tell you. And I'm gonna mean it. Yeah. Because you have to be accountable every day if you're not. Accountable for the things you do man. Like, yeah. I don't know. I can't even consider you a man. Yeah. I am. I just you know, and I demand that I demand, you know, some there has to be some level of respect with me. Because I grew up that way, you know, and I give it absolute hundred percent. I mean till you do the wrong thing. And then you just have to cut it short. And I don't even give it the energy. I don't feed it. I don't. I'd rather just cut you off and keep it moving absolute, you know. Nice. All right, cool. So there you have folks. Thank you for having us. Is there any way anyone can reach? You. You got a phone number website. Yeah. Phone number. You can reach either me directly at two one five nine two one zero two seven six the direct landline. Office line is two one five four five eight eight eight three one riverfront moving storage dot com is our website, and you can even reach us through you know, g mail. We do have a Facebook page. Also, we don't have the Instagram or anything set up. We don't really use the social media as much on. But we have things in place right now where they're working on it. They're rebuilding the websites. And we're going to have people in place to do that. We can finally get to that level where people are managing that. I mean as we speak. That's what they're doing. Now. Also, thank you for having us, man. We like the close things out with quotes in the first one is by Eric Thomas when you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe. Then you'll be successful in the second one. By Bruce Lee. Knowing is not enough. We must apply willing is not enough. We must do. So there you have it, folks. Riverfront moving and storage. In this episode. A special guest Jerry Reeves partner in our M S cover topics that range from entrepreneurship, small business, personal development and much. More rap the episode up with quotes from Bruce Lee, and Eric Thomas. Awesome guys. Thanks again for joining us. Rotated fused podcast was produced for self felt purposes. Huge shout out to our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by the blessed lifestyle brand that is beat elp. Three S S E dot com. Also, sponsored by the motivation files unleashed this motivational mix tape be your fuel for success available on all platforms guys. Don't forget the visit to website, Jimmy livas dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Instagram at rotated views, if you have any inquiries or questions, Email us at info at Jimmy livas dot com. I'll be happy myself and the rest of the crew we wish you massive success. Stay blessed.

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How the Pandemic Pet-Adoption Boom Fits Into the Long History of Rescuing Animals

TIME's Top Stories

05:28 min | 2 months ago

How the Pandemic Pet-Adoption Boom Fits Into the Long History of Rescuing Animals

"How the pandemic pet adoption boom fits into the long history of rescuing animals by livia be waxman. More than twelve million american households have gotten a pet and the time since covid nineteen was declared a pandemic in march twenty twenty. According to the american pet products association the growth in pandemic era pet adoption continues the trend of americans turning to their pets for companionship and tough times as time. Put it in a nineteen seventy four cover story during wars insurrections and depressions particularly pet. Ownership seems to proliferate even. Today's recession inflation battered economy. When the care and feeding of pets would seem an exorbitant load on a family budget. There are more and more pet owners in the. Us deriving perhaps psychological sustenance. From what kipling called the dogs love unflinching that cannot lie but those shelters and rescues have been rising in popularity in recent years with june observed as adopt a cat month. Their history in america is more than one hundred fifty years old while most americans may associate the idea of an animal shelter with a dominating pet cat or dog. The first such places tended to involve horses with activists focused on the welfare of animals. Who were a key mode of transportation. Then on april fourteenth eighteen sixty nine caroline earle white and a group of women activists established. What's considered the country's first animal shelter and bensalem pennsylvania outside of philadelphia an addition to horses its mission expanded to provide as soon as possible. A refuge for lost and homeless dogs where they could be kept until homes could be found for them or they be otherwise disposed off the whole notion of shelter or even a municipal pound as a place where you could go and find a pet really took hold in the latter part of the nineteenth century and then has grown steadily ever since says historian bernie untidy a singer principal strategist at the humane society of the united states and they progressive era just as social reform activists called for the humane treatment of factory workers in an era of rapid industrialization and urbanization so too were activists calling for the humane treatment of animals that foundation set the country up for the post world war two period when pets became seen as part of the quintessential suburban american family times december. Twenty third nineteen seventy four cover story on the american pet declared that the us today is undergoing what can only be described as an animal. Susan explosion in which pet ownership has become almost as sacred democratic right. If it had been written into the constitution at the time about sixty percent of american households had a pet and it was becoming more common to pamper them today. The american pet products association says the number is two thirds of american households sixty seven percent in march pet products spending surpassed the one hundred billion dollar mark for the first time. Pet keeping has become more intensive just like child rearing has says catherine see greer author of pets in america. I history but as the number of breeders increased security. Did the number of cats and dogs not all of which had homes with those pampering. The country now had to figure out what to do with the cats and dogs that had nowhere to go by the nineteen seventies spay and neuter technology became more widely used animal welfare groups like the humane society of the united states promoted. The motto of legislate educate sterilize to reduce the number of animals seeing mixed breed. Dogs like benji on the big screen also helped. Normalize adoptions pushing adoption and trying to make the shelter as the first place to look for a pet was a big part of this overall strategy says anti adoption is a big part of what reduced the number of animals. Loosen the streets and in recent years. They've only gotten more possible. Among pet. dogs. The percentage adopted from shelters increased from fifteen percent in two thousand six to over thirty five percent in two twenty sixteen the internet and social media. Especially psa's that the ad council started in two thousand nine are thought to have helped drive the rise. In awareness of adoptions andrew rohan chief program officer at wellbeing international tells time there are now five thousand animal shelters and animal rescue groups in the us animal. Welfare experts believe the adoption of first dog. Major will also continue to raise awareness of animal shelters and rescue groups as places to adopt pets. The biden's join a long tradition of high profile figures. Aiming to increase adoptions even more many celebrities have founded animal shelters dancer. Irene castle founded orphans of the storm in nineteen twenty eight and went on to become the president of the westchester county new york humane society. Doris day was known as the dogcatcher of beverly hills and the price is right host. Bob barker urged viewers to make sure their pets were spayed and neutered. It's a mission that even after all these years remains necessary.

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Sarah McAnulty, Ph.D.  The Squidmobile, Cephalopods, and Science

The Philly Blunt: The Podcast That Celebrates Philly

49:45 min | 8 months ago

Sarah McAnulty, Ph.D. The Squidmobile, Cephalopods, and Science

"It was upland. Heads sarah mcnulty. Phd drives around philly in the squid. Mobile she's a squid scientists and bridging the gap between scientists and the general public through a nonprofit. He started called skype a scientists and she's also a resident of fish down. Where else would a squid. Scientists live and she's also guest on this episode of the philly blunt. The national geographic children's video which he rented from the library featuring the color changing cephalopod known as cuttlefish change her life from that point on. She decided she wanted to study. Cuttlefish and cephalopods squid. Mobile is our toyota rav. Four covered squid drawings facts in a number. You can text her for squid facts and yes sarah personally answers. Every text also founded a nonprofit organization called scape scientists would cease to make science accessible to children are people of color. she's connected over eleven thousand scientists with classrooms. Forget to support our sponsors shy of in sports. We can get the coolest philly sports and culture gear. Shy vintage sports. Every stitch tells a story shop at chaib vintage sports dot com or at their store at one thirty seven south thirteenth street and also check out. John ville dot com j. a. w. n. v. i l. l. e. dot com for the ranch ramblings and observations of a born and raised philly bloke. That's me over. Get scrapped till your friend. Shares on social media. Do all that stuff that will really help. Spread the word and celebrate philly to a wider audience and follow on social media twitter instagram facebook all as the philly blunt. We'll be enjoyed this episode with sarah mcnulty vis town resident and local squid expert l. o. Ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the philly blunt. My name's johnny good times. I'm reach. Call me greg and we are thrilled to have our guest this week. She has made skyping a scientist a phenomenon online here in the last few years and she is also somebody that we're excited to talk about. I've seen my octopus teacher. Please welcome sarah mcinulty to the show. Sarah thanks for having me on absolutely. Yeah lots to lots to go over here. But i guess we'll start with the skype scientists. Which is the thing that you've really kind of stood out for. I guess in the last few years and what was the inspiration behind having and for those that don't know essentially you set up a program. Where on the one end schools can sign up to have a scientist talk to them. I guess over zoom skype whatever and on the other hand. The scientists like line themselves up with a particular school so they just kind of meet in the middle. What was the inspiration behind all this. This is back in two thousand seventeen. When i was starting at and we i was talking to a bunch of other scientists on twitter. Trump had just been elected. The scientific community was for lack of a better phrase. Just like freaking out. They didn't know what was going to happen in the future with the new administration. And there's a lot of energy to just like do something but didn't really know where to put that energy. And so i thought that basically we needed to harness all of that energy among scientists and do something useful with it and so i developed skype. A scientist from that. I figured starting with classrooms. It'd be a good way to get people talking with scientists talking to other folks are not scientists. It's something that as a group historically had not been super good at and so we need practice with it and we need to just find a way to do it easily. And so that's where it all came from. Gotcha i mean you guys thought at this This reality show tv. Host wasn't good science. I mean i. I don't know where you got that. From but i guess i'm curious in terms of you saying that yes people were freaking out was but in a way was kind of a wake up. Call that maybe they needed. Because i kind of feel like with scientists so much guys are working on so much incredible stuff but it doesn't really enter the zeitgeist. Everybody wants to know what kim kardashian or you know the. Nfl stars are doing. But nobody's asking what the scientists are up to and was of in a way. Maybe a wakeup call. You guys kind of needed. I think you really hit the nail on the head. I think a lot of scientists kind of suddenly realized that the conversations that we're having amongst ourselves are really not breaking out of this little silo. And so i think was a lot of energy to like do anything that they could to reach out outside of our bubbles. I think generally the lesson from twenty sixteen for a lot of folks was how siloed we really all are. And that's not news now in two thousand and twenty. Were well aware that this is a problem. It's been getting worse and worse Basically as as the growth of the internet. Because it's so easy to find people like you and so yeah. We've really wanted to get those bridges between scientists and other folks. How how you feel right now. It's all the people that are you know. Still kind of in denial about this Epidemic in in in you know still saying that scientists in real and things like that Do you explain your frustration with with seeing what's happening right now in our country. Yeah i mean. It's really wild to see like i just can't understand. I mean just okay so to a point. I can understand why people wouldn't want to believe that. The pandemic israel. I think humans on the whole have a really strong ability to delude themselves into thinking that their lives are better than they are And so for that reason. I can see why people would want to but at this point. It's just. I mean look around. There are overwhelming science. This is real. I mean the pandemic has kind of been like a a zoo. A like a flash forward version of climate change because i'm scientists have been aware and all scientists have been aware of climate change being like a scary thing getting worse and worse all the time and we see the facts and so seeing that people would deny that the pandemic israel isn't that big of a shock given that they also reject climate. Change is real. And so it's a. It's a nasty kind of view into the future for you know. Scientists have thought and talk amongst ourselves saying well once people see climate change directly affecting their communities. People will wake up and realize that this is an actual problem that we need to fix but even when people are losing family members. They're still not saying for some people. Of course many people are but many people are saying you know cove. Ed isn't what killed like or like wild delusion that i think i don't have a solution for yet. I think the best thing we can do start is just like building. Personal connections with people outside of our bubbles is really important but overcoming like the human ability to delude ourselves for the sake of our own. Mental health is a real challenge mystery. And we'll see what we're going to alan. You think part of the issue is that. I feel like we were taught as a kid like sciences this but we weren't taught that the science evolves and as data comes in science changes so you had some messaging in the beginning of the pandemic as it changes people are saying see they said this and now they're saying that with just a lack of understanding that as data comes in science is always evolving and changing right. Yeah i think that's a really excellent point. I think something that we've learned over. The last few years is that we really need to be teaching sciences. The process not science as the fax and so different educational systems will teach science differently. And so like. I remember when i was in catholic school. Sandy from in bensalem. Like i we would just like be copying line for line the science textbook but not doing science not learning the house and the why is and the process and so took college until i was really like doing that. And so that's something that needs to come earlier and one of the things i think is so important. Is that right now in our education system. We are We we separate people too early and we teach them different stuff so like we take the kids who maybe should be going to like the advanced placement or honors classes and we give them like rigorous hardcore science and math. And then everyone else we say. Okay we'll maybe scientists for you. Let's give you like some a watered down version of science. That's a real problem because even if you're not going to become a scientist you still have to have. I'm not saying make the classes super hard. I'm not saying like prep them to go to graduate school unnecessary but teach them scientists process and teach them like everything that sort of thing. Change the approach. So that you don't end up with the like the scientists and then a bunch of science less science literate folks and so we need to kind of build it back from the ground up people get good just going to say like you know. There's i think a thing that i'm coming across a lot and i feel like a lot of things is systems related and how our systems were broken and we didn't really realize it and this the pandemic i think the trump aaron general but the pandemic specifically has really kind of opened our eyes to allow things. Were really way. More broken than ever acknowledged. Do you do you think that again like is there. Is there a silver lining to our eyes being opened or are we so far behind the apl that you're worried that we won't get back. I tend to be an optimal generally. So i'm i'm glad that we're realizing it now. I mean i'm sure it's frustrating that it's taken us so long to realize what's wrong like even look at how we taught teach history right like we teach it in such a way that gives the idea that the united states history of the united states is like is wonderful and exceptional and no. It's a horror show from finish this. I thought george washington down on an ego and a great dude. I heard and this is true like the like racism the realization that. Oh my goodness we live in a racist society. Like oh my god. I had no idea like that and the science stuff. It's like there are a lot of Lights going off of people's heads the last four years. Yeah should've happened before. But we are so answer. Mean i live with a scientists not in the corporate world academia and science always seems to be one of the first thing. Congress cuts the budgets on the nih funding and stuff. Do you think. I mean. I'm sure you hope it. Do you think that with people realizing a majority of people realizing science is important and valuable that the nih budget and funding actually becomes a little easier for people in the future to make progress. I'm hoping yes. One thing that i realized in becoming a scientist is that like the real challenge when it comes to government. Funding for science is getting bumped up but then maintaining it. Because what we've seen in the past is that you will get an administration and that really supports science pose a whole bunch of money into science and then the next administration comes in and drops and so then you have like empty buildings because during the previous administration you handle this money and you build the new beautiful building and then you can't afford scientists salaries to fill it and so we need to find a way to support science much higher than we have been lately because it's been kind of like not only a decrease in funding but our purchasing power of the dollars that go into science is also decreasing so bright so we need to increase science funding for sure and i would hope that like scientists saving the day right now like having a pandemic with a vaccine in less than a year is wild and amazing and so i know people are frustrated and they've been stuck indoors for a long time but what's happened. This year has been unbelievable and really lucky. And so i'm hoping that leads to a stronger support for For scientific funding going forward. It's just really. I like i. Hesitate to be super optimistic. Knowing how entrenched people are in their camps right now. So yeah i mean you know it's just wanna keep giving money to science and the democrats. Just keep stopping them. And it's just gotta be trump's huge science guy much obviously him. Losing is obviously devastating science. This is this has been super series and heavy. I want to switch it up a little bit like yo like what the fuck is the ocean man like our fish aliens fisher. Fisher aliens birlik. They're the they're they're big are the remains of what we became right. I'm not sure if you're not you're not even remotely exactly right. So a lot of scientists will say like everything is a fit. Like every vertebrate is a fish because anything on land came from fish. So we're office. You're fish fish offish. Lahser gals gruesome knew it. I knew it so. So what was it like when you tell the new parents that you're gonna just focus on squids. Did they know this. Your whole life grownup with squids. I was starting pretty young. I was in the dinosaurs before that. I think they knew that there is some kind of animal somewhere because i was really billion animals my whole life and so yeah they knew it was gonna be ocean related and there was no surprise. No shock there. Squid sweet lady on campus. A squid. lady. Yeah i mean. I wasn't as extra about it. As i am now but yes to me. Means flaws was at the ink. Was it just kind of the smooth way they moved. What was the thing that was like for you. That was like oh my god. These are incredible. I think it was the communication with the color changing. That was like really wild and how quickly they can change color and all the different things that they use color change for concern. You can use it for camouflage which is wild and super cool very quick they can also use it to confuse the hell out of their prey like they can take these black bands and run it along their body and it looks like a hypnotist wheel and so a crab sitting on the on the reef looking at the cuddle fisher squid. It's like what am i got is happening. And then there so that. That's pretty good. Do stuff to their skin like hypnotized thing. We're watching that lincoln. Earlier there was weaves of colors. Go down there back clouds. that's exactly right. Yeah it's so weird if you've never seen it audience like google passing. Cloud cuttlefish right. Now it'll blow your mind. And if you if you indulge in cannabis it's even better. This is the right time. When i heard right my my son who turns seven and a couple of weeks had a specific question for it and he wanted to know how they strike and kill their prey which you kind of just answered but what are the what else do they eat. So it depends on the on the top lacob. We're talking about so cuddled. Fish will eat shrimp. Crabs sometimes fish and squid will eat fish. Other squid depends on like what's around whether living so some some cephalopods hang out sort of near the bottom and they tend to eat more like crustacean. He stuff like crabs and shrimp like we do. And then if you're swimming up in the water there just aren't that many crabs around you're going to be eating more shrimp fish that kind of thing. And now how they kill is pretty cool. So all cephalopods squid and cuddle kills pretty cool. Can't get into. How can you just tell us what pot is yes. Totally so pond is a cuttlefish. Octopus squid or nautilus nautilus are those like spiral. Shell big little tiger stripes on them. They're really beautiful. You see them a lot like on shelves their shells as like decoration. They're really beautiful but they are endangered so never by their shells them just. Psa took a sophomore part is so let's get to the killing definition of minnesota. Great so okay. So cuttlefish and squid have eight arms. And so the arms are just like covered in suction cups and they don't really change shape that much. They're just kind of like those little what you think of tentacles and then in between knows. They have super super stretchy appendages. That are really really and then end in what looked like little hands what we call clubs and the clubs have suction cups on them as well but the like stringy. Bits don't have any suction cups. The purpose of them is to shoot out grab prey and then pull it back in. And what's really nasty cool. Is that the suction cups on the clubs have like little serrated rings of teeth and he's like the colossal squid lives in the southern ocean. They are really big. They're the biggest like volume metrically. Big squid that there is. The giant squid is big colossal. Squid is as long but like really chunky as opposed to more like toward. He's he's calls a colossal. He's gotta be the mayo giant and colossal. Well they know about the colossal squid. Giant squid is definitely rate. And you can't use the word titanic anymore right now. That's humongous ask one. We're going to really have to dig deep and in dr vocabulary here. But they're sick so they have suction cups. They have hooks that swivel. So like if you had A fish or whatever trying to swap them away. The hook goes in swivels around and then hooks too dumb in the grasp of the squad. So that's how they grab prey and then they pull it to their beak. And then what the beak and often that has a little bit of poison on it so that paralyzes whatever. It's biting. Do they ever. They never attack humans. Just don't get the opportunity in. Yeah yeah the squid that are big enough to be a threat to us Live super deep with the exception of one. The humboldt squid daily off california and baha and humboldt attacking. Anybody attacking these shit official cephalopod philly blunt. Humboldt squid the handbook with their large. They hang out in big school schools. Wads if you will And they flagged ed yeah. I wouldn't swim with them personally. But everybody else is pretty nonthreatening. So tell us about the inspiration for the squid mobile and is it true that you will literally just talked anyone even if it goes off the conversation of the squid. It's true. yeah so this all started. I was on twitter off scientists of another scientists car. Just add like need like need help with science or something like have science question. Just email your neighborhood. Scientists at gm dot com or something. And i was like no. That's a good idea. Because i'm always trying to think about how again like saying before like how can break out of our silos and on twitter. We're not doing it because the only people that would follow us squid biologists on twitter. Like i'm not break so social media is probably not the way to go. And so i'm always trying to think of like weird ways to kind of play around and experiment and when i saw that i was like well. Let's try. it was my car. What's the worst that could happen like realistically addict diktats. That's the worst that i have. You have you haven't which you might you might now. I'm sorry. I mean we have a certain base base going to send us probably oregon prepare for that. Yeah no it's been ohio. I started split mobile. And it's kind of gotten more and more extra over the years but yeah ex the phone number on the back of this would mobile and you get a good fact and if you have a question about squid or the ocean or find some general that i can answer happily answer for you so you don't know i've got. I've read that you literally had people like text. You like for like an hour about out like he's losing. Some one person i was in kansas. I think driving across country in this good mobile and one person like all tapirs backs but only if you accept jesus back in return. And i was like well bring. Let's deal. i guess why not do to think of it as a dual because don't wanna put science and religion against each other. Because who do that. Yeah but really. There's there's a lot of religious communities there's really not as big of a like anti-science sentiment as many people would predict and so we're always trying to reach out Faith based communities but anyway yes that happened one guy just started talking about is divorced talked to him for a bit that was why not during the pandemic honestly so bored dislike for something that anybody a on philly blunt. That's adam. I wanna get back a little bit too. There seems to be kind of a moment right now with a cephalopods. We have a hockey team coming in. Called the seattle cracking. Which has to be exciting for you. So obviously my octopus teacher is like what all the nerds are buzzing about hanging around a lot of nerds and they're they're a buzzer. I can't believe you guys have crossed. Pass this quiz guy. Come closer guy. Who used to. I used to feed squid. The dolphins a hand back about me on with lows squid lover. I personal story. About dead squid. I had recently been dumped by my boyfriend. And i was hanging out my friend. Diana dana's another split. Biologists and i was like really just down the down and so she was like. i know. what'll cheer you up. And so she took me to this like huge olding on her campus and in the middle wise like imagine a huge huge huge swimming pool. But that's like thirty feet deep and is full of tuna like big big in a building. I mean yeah so the the the study that they were working on was all about like. Can you get a tuna to grow in captivity basically and so we just took this bucket of dead squid and climbed onto the rafters of the building. Suspended over this big pool of tuna and just started throwing tuna. Throwing squid does quit into the tank and it was like i mean it was like national geographic. A they get so when tuna get excited. They turn brighter colors as flying out of the like water to fight each other. It was the most town who is dead square. Defeat other stuff so no shame. I love the fact that you're a scientist and you're obviously brilliant and then you say jump out of the water. I think. I like the fact that kid keeps. You keeps you here Yeah we're exactly affiliated you up. I grew up in salem warrington and then doylestown so those were the places that i lived. Currently fish town risen. Well my i mean this is not important. But when my i like great great great whatever grandparents moved from ireland during the pit famine. They actually lived on palethorpe street. Not far from here and then three generations of mcnulty's live within a mile here so it was it was it was almost like she's a scientist. Greasy fish tau. Yeah so you know. There are roots here in this neighborhood for my family. So i have read over the years Cephalopods i guess the super smart like there's been some people have had them tanks to an experiment and they would see like they climb out of the tanks after everyone goes away turns on the lights or open doors and do stuff like that right. Yeah so octopuses are like the most notorious for just causing mayhem in aquaria. Because they are unlike cuttlefish and squid. They're much more maneuverable and they can squeeze themselves into tiny little holes basis whereas swim pretty much switch shaped and they're not very good at squeezing into things and cuttlefish have what's called a cuddle bone which was a very silly name for an object. But it's like a big device like very whites. I'm really could have thought about better names for that one. No they can't change octopus. Says you have to like lockdown blades of their tanks. And make sure that there's no it's like put mash over the water inflow but otherwise they'll just like say later and either go eat other things in your mariam or just completely leave peace out some of like escape out. Drains wild yes. Oh it's like it's like it's like finding nemo right. Legitimately octopus is the one causing all the trouble by both camouflaging itself and by sneaking all around there. They're rascals h- how did you how did you. How do you have a favorite of squid instead of an octopus theater. I think the activists so much hype and squid. Don't get nearly enough because squid are we. We talk about the intelligence of jobs back to the philly thing. It's the whole rocky deal and my under the pushes octopus new york and la squares. That's it that's actually perfect. Yeah so i mean. There's just so many different ways to be squid. I mean like an octopus. You pretty much like you know what you're getting yourself into regardless of. What type of octopus you are. I mean that might be my bias but an octopus octopus and being squid like some glow some like have benefits so this kind of getting into the weeds but like some have these relationships bacteria that you really really cool stuff. Create antibiotics for their eggs. These bacteria will legit like develop antibiotics and then the squid will put the bacteria on eggs and then a row protect the baby squid from anybody eating it or other fungus and stuff. I think that's cool. There are squid deep deep deep in the ocean. There are huge squid. There are teeny teeny teeny tiny squid. And i love that and i also love that. They are more social than octopus are. Some species are anyway and also i think firmly that split or more bad ass than optimus. Oh oh she threw down the gov you want to go there. Is there a colossal octopus giant octopus. That's big but not colossal colossal. It's big let's leave it. Having the word colossal to that right now come on. Do you wanna do this bro. Yeah come on. I'll even i don't even wanna start this. What's also interesting. Not only are you in the squids. Apparently from a research into reptiles. Oh i do have a bunch of my house. Yeah is just not sure. Sure sure it's really hard. You need a lot of water and like yeah. Some people have dogs. I mean go go. Reptile route a fair number of animals in this house. I have a gecko very cute. I have a bearded dragon. That i inherited from a roommate who got kittens and then didn't really want his bearded dragon anymore so i ended up with a bearded dragon. They didn't go out of my way. They always like that with the bearded dragon dragging and then i've got a snake downstairs and then i've got an axa ladell as well. We'll serve imagine a salamander that lives underwater gills are like on the outside. Yeah yeah off. Pink is going back to comment about them being aliens. That sounds about as alien as against him. That you're conscious of in doing is trying to find math and science teachers who represent under under represented communities people of color women. I think that's really important. So how's that reaction as far as people seeing people who look like them doing science. Do you see like a big difference or a great reaction when that happens. Absolutely i mean i think representation is just so so important in in fields like science and so we asked our teachers when they sign up if over half of their classes from my given historically excluded group and so that includes racial minorities but also yeah women. Lgbt disabled a couple other mixed and low socioeconomic group growing up because a lot of times so one of the things are teachers. Ask for at the beginning. Was that you know. We're all white kids in my class. But they're really poor and so having scientists that came from that area is really really awesome for them to see and so we trying to take into consideration all the ways that people are different and disadvantaged when trying to get into science and then show match those people together because it can make a huge impact. I mean like. I'm a white woman. And i didn't see another woman in science like until my senior year of college like i worked with one in an outside of school but in my department it was all men and so like you know. It's just tough. I mean i'm not saying that you can't be what you can't see a common phrase you want but like it certainly helpful. What can you see people doing what you wanna do that. Look like you that sound like you came from where you came from and so we wanna really really prioritize making sure that that happens worker do you talk about these cultural silos and and do you and i thought it was interesting what you said earlier and i wanted to follow up on it a little bit when you talked about how places i think we all have the stereotype of what places are like when religions big and things like that like and i also know that you know. We're we're all here like obviously not big fans of of what's been happening on the right side of the country. How do you balance that. Where you're like okay. i'm not going to. I'm not going to get mad and just leave that rural america. Aside how do you how do you make it. So like yeah. I'm upset that science isn't getting it's just do but at the same time still need to reach out to people on that side of the world. Which again in our cultural silos might as. Well be a different country. That's an awesome question. And i think that the first thing you should do you when you're approaching that situation is just try to find. Common ground. Tried to find some way in which you're similar and so one thing that's really really hard to doing and not necessarily i wouldn't recommend it for everyone depending on life your emotional seton and how you're doing mental health wise but just like tried to not be offended when you're going into a space and just like be like let's just try to see the good in these in the people that i'm talking to. Which sometimes you just kinda have to leave your ego at the door to do that. People may say misogynistic things to me. And i'm just like well whatever. That's just how they were raised. I'm just going to roll with that for now because if you try to get everyone from zero to sixty in one conversation going to happen and so you just have to try to find where you have similarities and not right people off for what you do know about them on if you're trying to get them on your side eventually my personal approach. I know it doesn't work for everyone. And i don't recommend it for everyone but not a good approach in one of the things whether you like bernie sanders are not one of the things. He did that. I thought was really interesting. He went to liberty university or liberty house. Whatever it is ready to begin. He said listen. We're not gonna agree on gay lifestyle or abortion. Let's get that straight but there's a ton of things we will agree on and let's talk about those things and it's very powerful to get inside. We're all in our bubbles so anytime you can boston to someone else's bubble super powerful. Yeah yeah and listening as much as you're talking is off. So yes she was was that has been tough again. You know you talk about you. Being a woman in a male dominated field how how difficult has has that made your sort of path as opposed to somebody that might not have had to put up with some of those things personally like. It's been fine. I haven't had anything particularly nasty happened to me. I have no complaints particularly knowing that like so many other people have had worse than many ways. I mean yeah. I didn't have women representing science until later on that. I've a little overconfident. Think so that's personally it's been okay but we still have a long way to go a lot of different ways and like even like how we value work different types of work like i would maybe value science communication during graduates wall and others would sort of see that as like volunteer work. Not important work because it was historically done by women like teaching historically done by women for example and so like seeing how these like little things add up in tennessee can affect how all of our academia more broadly structured and so this is true of many different marginalized communities in many different ways. Let's just like one tiny example. But i'm amazed when i go to sign a science conferences with my significant other scientists and i mean the the the people running the show are predominantly is like eighty seven ninety percent. Old white males. Yeah i started looking at who gets who gets to be a professor or who makes it to the professor has wild. We've got a long way to go for sure and many friends all right. We ready to take it all right. We're gonna take to the philly blunt. Here's how it works can be rapid fire questions. Rapid fire answers. Okay all right here. We go in seinfeld. George wants everybody to call him t bone. What would you want your nickname smack because that was my my college. Water polo nickname. Sarah mac. smack me hold on you. Played water polo. Yeah i intended to play water polo in philly but then the pandemic happens. So i'll be playing. I hope with the can. I say it's one of course like is it exhausting just to stay off the blood man. I'm sorry i'm amazed by this. I've never met a water polo player. I how do you stay afloat. We want to existing buoyantly. I dunno it's not bad. The sport in general is hardcore and very hard and by the end of the game. I just feel like i'm dead but the floating is the easy part. Sorry on can you still speak any german. Yeah i It follows on the okay. That's like madison. Oh yeh see so. Yeah i mean squid is tinton fish like ten fish so there you go. There's one german word that i'm sure we'll be useful in your everyday life. Ten or ten ten ten ten fish picked up away Who has the best calamari town. I don't know. I would probably go to an italian place although i'm going to recommend if you get if you catch squid. Fresh makes of ej out of it annexed slice it. Real thin like yeah. It's real nice. I when you literally just caught it out of the ocean that that's what i'll make it a couple hours later. Otherwise fried lady go. What bad habit are you trying to break. I'm a pool exerciser. Obviously and i am very very bad at exercising without a pool blah the polls are closed because of covid so exercising without a pool. I suck at it. I need to do it. You have a python. If i'm correct. Yep do you ever like put it around your neck and let it hang out early. This walk around your art avenue. She get called up. You took your squid mobile on a squid across america tour. What was the. What was the worst city on your tour. Oklahoma city of big. There's yeah. I don't think there's god i hope this doesn't turn off her oklahoma city fans oil. They've been so loyal to the phillies. I hope this doesn't kill us there. where do you get your fish town where you're getting takeout lopez hard frisbee throw from my house Eating a lot of their. And i'm also really close primo so depending on what i meant to. You know premium or lopez. Who do you. Who's style of science teaching. The you prefer tyson the grassy our bill nye. I'm going to go with bill nye Even the because. I think sometimes neil degrasse tyson can be a little condescending and i think that's really full. He felt like he was on. This is from a while ago. But he was on. Jon stewart's show the show allow longtime ago and he said their world was backwards and then he came on a second time was like your earth is still backwards and not just one time but often he'll just like kind of dig at people who don't know things but i think that that's not. He is funny though to be fair. That's not the way to build bridges man and so i don't like making fun of people for not knowing things so go night is one of my favorite shows is squid. Billy's do you watch it. No barbara one. No it's a new one. It's on like a heart. you network adult swim endangered. So they really can't do anything to them and they're just law. Listen crazy. I have seen trailers for this. I need to watch a looking at twenty. Twenty has been a veritable hellscape. What is one thing positive. You see coming out of two thousand twenty right exactly really hope in some places arm. I'm not going happen in philly but we did have a reduction in the police budget. It wasn't enough but it was something. I'm so yeah. Let's say police reform. I hope What was what was your other favorite subject english. West matt coleman in high school. I took three classes him when he was amazing. So english english okay with that teacher admittedly but the shuttle kaufman shots mr coleman. Can you believe that. A former america's sexiest man alive has been cutting his hair with a flabby. George clooney for the last twenty years. I do not know what that question means. Oh she's young she's not said. Oh so it's weird old attached to a vacuum cleaner. You just run it over okay. That's awesome didn't know that what what is your enter. The ring wrestling theme music man. I feel like a woman she was reading did compete in like squids versus wales battle. And that was my walkup song way versus the blood. I know the blood more side be pretty much. Yeah so it's this. It's a show called versus and by two friends. Grech and zack. Marta lucia lucia also group of billy. I'm they're both living in new york and they do a monthly show where they do like. It's what they call like wrestlemainia debate club. So there's johnny this sounds right up your alley dude. That's yeah so we did swim versus wealth. Obviously squid one because there's no more enthusiastic cheerleader for the me but Yeah so but they do like catch versus. Dogs also is this. Is this all you too. Yeah i'll send you like sounds awesome you so this is the last one from me. What's the secret to make relationships work. I think listening compassion and patients particularly patients. Yeah problematic here. Give us something great about fish. I all the fish all over the place like you have committed in this neighborhood to the fish team. And i think that's very funny and i really like it. Like people will put fish on their welcome mats fish hanging from their address fish. I didn't realize how i feel like. I have my. I also think for For christmas i'm gonna make a reese out of squid. I realized that squid or not fish but close enough. You know it's sufficiently. Yeah so. I really liked the number of fish around just from just from hanging out with you here for a while. I kind of get the impression that you've probably got a karaoke song. And i wanna know what that karaoke is. I don't know. I have so many. Because i love karaoke so much School joni nice. Call me. i know. I know i just pick things up. I think you got it. I didn't catch you. Yeah but yeah. I think that's one thing that i really like. I hope that everybody gets back into wants the things over like i really feel like maybe twenty twenty one is the year that karaoke blows up obviously been a terrible year for karaoke. Just terrible all the things we've lost in two thousand twenty year you karaoke zoom work. No lag it just nine i. I like edge of seventeen great risks. We're not too hard to saying. I'm not a great singer by any means also. I don't know what i bet. I bet the performance cares. David lee roth not nice. Yeah that's how i am too. That's how my care. Kariuki is the voices irrelevant. I tend to there to see the perform presence that it's the commitment on earned confidence better than i have a lot of that so we should all right so give me a song. Okay i guess edge of seventeen or four non. Blondes what's up. Oh yeah oh it's like. What is the mood. What is the weather right. What they want from you you know. Yeah well sara. Sarah mcinulty aka smack so glad to have you here on the show. This is a ton of fun. Tell us your gives. Your shout outs on social media. Where do where do we follow you. Great you can follow me on instagram. Tiktok and twitter at sarah mac mac k. Attack on all of those always happy to answer questions and you can text the backs hotline. Now at nine run squid. Those are the numbers that you taken. Then you can talk to me about squid or whatever you're divorced or your mind therapist. I'll try all right. Sarah thank you so much. Thank you so he did everything. Joe joe welcome to the home of brother. Brother have been blood. 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Episode 173: Discover, Learn & Grow (Guest - Marcelous Jones)

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Episode 173: Discover, Learn & Grow (Guest - Marcelous Jones)

"Welcome to episode one. Seventy three discover learn and grow. This is the rotated views. podcast with Jimmy Lee and the crew giving you life from various perspectives. Welcome to our level. We hope you enjoy the views brought to you by the blessed lifestyle all brand visit. Dl Three S. E. DOT COM to get blessed also sponsored by the motivation. POWs unleashed this motivational mixed your in your fuel for success available on all platforms all right. You were now tuned into the rotated US podcast asked. I am your host Jubilee Villas. I'm here with gave goose and Marcellus discover learn and grow in this episode. We have special guests Marcellus Jones. We cover topics that range from early. Childhood Learning Entrepreneurship Small Business. Start up and much more. We wrapped the episode up with quotes. From William Arthur. Ward and Don Zimmer Zimmer guys if your new don't forget to download and subscribe drop a new episode every Tuesday morning for your listening pleasure thank you for joining us. Marcellus tell us thanks for joining us. Mayo appreciate it Beerman. Blessed with here absolutely all right so for those of us who do not know who you are and what you do let them know now all right so I'm Marcellus Jones. I am One half of the owners of discover learn and grow Scholar and grow is a early learning center slash before before and after school program located in Bristol Borough and what we do is we You know we we try to get to the kids in the community and outside surrounding communities early we start with early learning early education which we feel is important as well as offer the older kids in school as kids in the community before and after school program to Get get them off the streets get them into new different things hobbies and stuff like that so nice nice all right so so how did you guys get started an industry so for my understanding Your mother Ramona was a teacher. But but how did you guys get started and actually opening up your own business. So little back history I was in college. My mom mom had opened up a charter school in Bensalem Pennsylvania Christian Charter school show. Yeah she's been in the Philadelphia School district for like numerous years over twenty twenty something years so she started the charter school And then she just felt that it was time to expand move out on our own so by the time I graduated and got home she was like. Hey let's do this. Let's start a daycare and you know we went to. We went on from there so it was pretty cool. Yeah and we decided to partner together. She has all the the The education occasion experience and I tried to put my little business since then I've learned in school and stuff in there so we kind of make good partner a win win right there All right so the the second ego on your website it says Where young minds flourish can can you? Can you explain a little bit about that. It's beautiful yeah. That's kind of Armada. Oh you know we take we take personally we take it to heart. You know we wanna be a place where you know. These kids can come in. They could feel safe and they could just be themselves to flourish. It's like I feel like kids flourish in environments where they are you know they feel safe. They feel loved and nurtured. And I guess that's what we try to offer to these kids in his community. Yeah as a place where they can feel safe themselves in basically flares you know I love it We always talk about potential right and We we all know someone who who has no many people who have so much potential so much within them And it's awesome to see that you all are cultivating cultivating that At a very young age Because we know all of us are capable of so much Let alone you know You know at such a young level dirty tapping into that or at least they're being exposed to that All right so so back to the basics. Can you explain a little bit about the program. You all offer And you you said a little bit preschool before and after school program and then you know cap it off with the with the summer camp. Yeah we have a we have a wide range of sting Programs and stuff that we offer We do we have infant Part Daycare we infants Then we also have pre K.. Where we teach the kids Kindergarten Garden Ready. You know being able to know their. ABC's their colors on and more importantly just etiquette of like how Senate Table How to hold a pencil and stuff like that So that's our you know our pre K. Program our preschool program and then we offer also offer before and after school program like I said for the school age kids And then we do birthday parties thirties. We do Community events and a host of other things like we're always moving always busy so so what's the best way for someone to get exposed to. Do you know what you guys offer. Is it the website. Do they book an appointment with you. How how does that all work? If someone's peeking someone's interest I I mean anyway really I feel like we are where people persons but Just come in and see us ask us. You know how we can help you. We're here to help You know come talk to us. Meet the staff Daf meet the kids meet the you know what I mean like. Our door's always open. So yeah so there's walking. Yeah we always have walk INS Like call appointments. But you know if you want to come in and the facility and absolutely all right so so there's a there's another quote By by your mom by you It says we believe all students deserve equal opportunities to reach their optimal level of success. Let's work together to create a schedule. That fits your family on your budget Do you WANNA elaborate on that. It's a it's a lot and I guess it goes back to our motto that Intel's everything that we are and what we offer like. We're trying to. I think you said we're trying to cultivate these kids. Get all of their potential out And you know we're trying to be an affordable woah daycare prices like nowadays crazy. So we had to be an affordable daycare but not only affordable affordable daycare. That gives your kids the most gives as you you and your family and the kids the most you could possibly get out of it. Yeah I think I think it's amazing and kids at that age or so. They absorb everything breath through their amazing I have a five year old son and when he comes to me and says you know off the wall stuff he asked question. He's very into sports. So as I was trying to break down the difference between an extra point. And someone going for two points after they scored a touchdown and he was was not initially. He wasn't understanding when I broke it down. He said okay. So it's a like a touchdown but they have to get into and then he broke down. Do Brigham Down Sports already. Like we're doing this is on But I think it's leaving that that door open to discussion right a lot of times. We just you know some people. Oh the smiths. I'm like Oh you know it's a kid right but leaving that open and having that you know that that conversation Even at the dinner table goose knows. Gabe knows they've all set. You know dinner. How was your day? But he's five it's exciting. What's HE GONNA say? You know what I'm saying Because he can have a conversation Asian. We'll have a conversation with people So so it's it's fun seeing that and and he started Early with the same thing where he was. You know at At a place In Philadelphia where they were cultivating that same kind of thing and you could just see it. Is this creativity is tapped into that early. it's I I find. We found this so beneficial Not only for just him before our family and now we have a one year old. Who's WHO's watching everything he's doing so it's kind of going along the same lines and and just seeing that just at beautiful mind developers? There's just fun All right cool so so. Can you explain the monthly community event. You hold and its purpose so every month we try if not you know every you two months or so we try to hold some type of event where we Invite the community in to our center. We hold something and it just I feel like art. Art The kids that we service our apart even ourselves. We're part of the community so we try to just continue to push ourselves to community like we're here for you guys. You guys are here for US conflict. That's important because like an old saying it takes a village to raise. You know exactly what we go by like a very true community is here. We have so many resources in Bristol still borough even the surrounding communities that you know we take advantage of and we WanNa community take advantage of us like you know. We're here to help you guys. You know no our faces no so you know we know your kids you know us and we're here to stay so we always try to hell with some type of event where we invite the community whether it's like a Valentine's Day we'd like a mom underneath paintings or Just recently we took a group of our kids to See the movie Harry on a Friday night so well we try to host something where we get the kids aside from the before and after school and aside from you know Early Learning Center where we take the kids out and do something with the kids and the communities. Yeah so what are your. What are the business hours if someone wants to you know enroll their kid into the before school? How early you guys open to and the after school? How are you guys tale? So we opened up a six thirty and that is before and before school as well as our preschool opens up a six thirty okay and then we do before school we dropped we feed. Read them breakfast and we drop the kids off to school And then our preschool starts from around eight to. I want to say three four o'clock and then that starts after school. We you pick the kids up from after school when we take them. We have another center in Bristol relocate and we take them there. We do homework homework stuff until six o'clock so nice our our thirty six thirty to six PM and it's also Oh. I didn't realize you guys offered the shuttle to transportation very cool. All right cool. So can you explain how someone can host a party at your facility. And and what that entails. I know you guys have various packages. We have two Two locations The one on our location on Mill Street. Four twenty street is kind of for like the younger kids like the under five years old so climbing stuff Like a little indoor slide like stuff that you can interact with the war okay and we've had a few parties there and it's just like a good time. It's it's you think of like chucky cheese and it it takes the hassle out from Parents and we try to do everything provide food we clean up and all that so we try to take the hassle away from parents and planning lining their parties. And we just you know make it as easy going as we can and then our older facility for like the the older school aged kids we have Video Oh games ping pong table food while table and stuff like that so they have fun in there. So so that one's on route thirteen thirteen years. Where where exactly is that Do you know where the you know. We're Sloan's is loans thrifts. Yes yes we're right next today. And it's okay Gotcha So we went to my brother directors daughter Danika her party was like little gymnasium thing but it was. It was kind of like the same thing they really did. You tell my brothers. Strategist near Even you know y you know because there's so much going on at the they're young kids young so you're trying to watch them everything. Do making sure they're safe and doing all this other jazz. It was nice where he's you know the the people at at this gymnasium. They had the cake ready to rock and roll down the pizza ready to go like they just had all divvied up in plates. And they're just you know they're just telling us where to go and the kids were having a blast the other thing is Like my attention span. I know is very short and I know kids. Don't have the longest attention span. They just kept a bit moving. Go from one thing to another and I'm sure you guys are experts at that I told my wife I was entertained as much. Because all right over here like okay. We're going over here. You Pizza Pizza soon as we're literally just finishing like we're serving cake piece corner and it was just like I'm just like a big kid but it was just I was telling my wife I'm like Dad. Has His way better than what we we stumbled. It was what we differ. My son was cool. We we went to like a bowling alley or whatever but it was. There was more manual par on era where decorating. We're still cleaning up. We're still doing all that stuff and we said there's takes away this stress when you could host a party At discover learning grow. It's so much better when I was reading up on it that you guys do the clean up you. Do you know all that stuff. Of course we We have staff who provide the staff like you say they shuttle the kids from one activity to the next cleanup. So Yeah Yeah and then I saw two where you could actually have. I've I know like characters like a big thing and that was one thing that we're going back and forth whether we should get it. We didn't know if it was going to be because that's stuff can be like in the middle of the characters are going to be a good one So obviously again you go with somebody like discover learning grow. They have the experience they already. You know what's good. They already know what to provide. They had the contacts already. Takes the stress away so I was one of the part of the packages right. It's character you get the character got to figure out WHO'S GONNA be in there but we have a character legit. Yeah you know the kids love it so a theme for the Parties Right I know frozen twos out so you know what I mean. I mean if you're trying to book a party at discover learning grow. You know they they can do all that stuff and and coming from experience from you know myself it takes a lot distress out of the equation on urine And and and they have various packages. I mean you guys you guys are very Like the Rangers good Goes from you know package Ada whatever you want you included all try to make it as affordable to give you what you want absolutely Is there a particular days as those artists are Saturdays and Sundays. I'm assuming or it doesn't really matter I know like As far as the daycare is concerned. If it's during the week during the school year we have to be after after six but you know we can make arrangements mostly. There are Saturdays Sundays. But we're flexible so all right. So let's switch gears a little bit. we did. We did a brief video. I do we do promo videos for every podcast that we do and one of them was. We're here Miguel's oversight barber shop in Bristol not a and you all were both part of a small business revolution You know Showcase of small business call main street that they kind of invest in towns that they see potential in By the Deluxe Corp and they kind of give advice vice. They kind of help you give strategies on how to be successful But I don't really that they picked. I guess it's what seven businesses or whatever it is but it inspires other other businesses and other entrepreneurs and other people around watching The show it's like a little little web series almost That they put together But it a lot of attention to it was it was it was exciting to watch I in especially you know for us. We had a family member That was part of that process. We know what it did for his business and His experience with that. What what was that like for you? All because you all were picked. H- how did that even start. How did you hear about it that someone tell you? How did you enter so it was the time around the time that you know they were into town just getting started so we're only like a few months their location and my mom is really like Let's see headstrong. So she goes and she's determined yet which is which is awesome but she heard about it around town and she was like all right. We're GonNa see what this is going on. Not even knowing that we were even eligible or you know in could be considered to be picked so we went to. We went to one of the meetings things and we came back and my mom's like real. She's real Christian. She praising Yes yes she was like all right. Well we're going to do. We're walking the street. And she's like we're GonNa pray you know. Hold my hand. Let's you know this. This is God. If we want this guy's GonNa give it to us whatever and then we went in and filled out the application. I think it was like twenty question. Application like paragraphs and we feel we filled it out until like eleven o'clock that night and sent it and that was like one of the first steps that we got into it so and then after that we just kept rolling up you know making a cut process and then we found found out the one day it was snowing and you know we were from there. So that's awesome so I know big part of it was the voting process. So so how did you guys is like promote all that and and and you know we we had our parents vote Once we heard about it and we have two little like the flyers and stuff on our windows. We put it on our instagram and facebook and we may chart parents vote people at our church. Family Friends So we were like you know. Even if it wasn't us that was selected. We still want to Bristol to winchester so so I remember it was down down the wharf him Bristol's under the CBO so snowing And it was the whole group. I guess like the top twenty finalist the West or something like that was it or the top ten six Os just open. You guys know feels like the top ten. They're like Oh yeah you guys are. I grew so just come up over here and they had like our backs facing. We were facing a river so we could see what was going on and we would to be honest. We thought we were just there to shoot a video. Yeah Yeah and that you know me. I thought person we didn't make it like we were just here to shoot like Promo thing. Just like the last twelve finalists or something like that and then they finally only turned around and surprise us. And we're like Oh this is Robert chevette. Came in it was it was like an emotional day. Also NATO's we wan on you. See Robert you see on TV face and it was snowing it was like the most whimsical like thing ever so crazy. It was like not like it was almost like a fairytale tail. Yeah Yeah for me. It was emotional. It was like Holy Sh- moon it was because it was like a long process because it was like it was like four straight days of like all right. You got to interview you. You're up at eight o'clock and it was like all right this time like we did all this if we make it. We don't if not you know it's still been a blessing to find out that we finally won and we would elastic so this it was amazing. Those crazy I I remember I remember my brother shot like a video and tell like ten. Explain it to us. He's like getting all emotional channel but it was. It was a big deal it first of all just even to be part of that experience. The town is never experienced anything like debt. I mean it was something that was it was just cool to watch too just to begin with and it was awesome. It brought a lot of attention to the town it reinvigorated. A lot of the pride cried that the town had new potential is kind of like the kids at discover learn grows like you know you have potential I it's more of like just tapping into and and that's all it was. It was like we have all the talent under you know in the world. We have all the stores. We always the entrepreneurs. It's just like that one little boost I don't know what it was That change the entire direction and the trajectory of this town of what it could do kind of like your students are that one little experience they have with one of the staff members that connection action. They make with your with your team Can Change them into complete positive direction. Totally changed your outlook on everything and we look forward to things like that. I remember as a kid be in height for after school program Because there was a there was a guy who I looked up to. Who always made it fun for us? and I was just exciting. I'm just like I was pumped after school make who has pumped after school to go back piece of the kind of school no one right unless you have a great program And that's that's exactly what it was but going back to the the small business revolution it was just as it was just a cool experience and in fact that you guys were finalists and you guys were chosen. Listen just says a lot And then all of a sudden everyone turns into models and and it's just an interesting thing right because like I'm just trying to build a business. Now I gotta impose you got to be an actor gotta be up at crazy hours. Plus here's a crazy part about it. What a lot of people don't know they just see like what was shopped up by the Deluxe Corp which is great but a lot of this stuff would act say all the time is the behind the scenes and all the work you guys still had a run businesses time? It's a lot of people don't realize it was long nights early mornings and you still had you still had to drive the income from the businesses. This is You know if if you have not yet seen any of that It was your episode seven it season two two of Main Street Small Business Revolution by Deluxe Corp.. Look it up Believe its own who it's on. It's on a bunch of stuff they're currently doing. I think they're on season five seven. I don't know you know I don't know what season you're all right now but it just keeps going and it's it's it truly is it's inspiring when you see Small businesses that need just that little push. It wasn't just you guys. There was a like an auto body place and just seeing the transformation That happened I mean for you guys. What was the biggest lesson you guys learned? During that time we took so much from that experience like it was a blessing. I think for me. You know one thing that they did teach us. Was You know we had the passion and we knew what we were here for. We're here for the kids. We WanNa make the you know. Place in community for arcade succumb to and they just gave us like the business sense. Like you know what I mean like I one of the best parts of our episode is Robert. Chevik telling US WE'RE IN MINNESOTA sitting down and he's like you know in order for you guys to make a living in order for you guys a beer to continue to help the community you guys have have to raise your rates and I mean and it was something we never thought of and it was like he was like you can raise your rates like so such a small increment who make the biggest difference business so I mean little things like that from like expert between him and Amanda and my Julie and Cam like there was so much information that they gave us that we took back Just made our business thrive so much more. That's unbelievable that's That's crazy right because sometimes that's all it takes sometimes times you're right there. You're right there and it's just that little tweak that you know someone from the outside looking in concede because sometimes I mean this happens in our own personal lives we get so caught up in the business and like I gotTa do this. I gotTa do this in everything. GotTa be right and it's got to be that an someone just steps back dude. If you change one one thing your entire chain oil result need that outside. Yes yeah because we have. So here's the thing. A lot of especially with small businesses is we're attached to it because we wanted to succeed but you're emotionally attached to. That's your baby right. You don't WanNa see that thing fail right. It's it's like your kid us want want him. You want the best for them and then the other thing is we get kind of overprotective. Someone's telling us how to raise our kids like. Oh now I know what I'm doing you know. And and that's hard to take AAC. It takes a lot of maturity for you all to sit at the table and actually take some of the critiques. But it was all it was all in good heart and it was all in them wanting you to succeed wasn't critique it was it was a constructive criticism more than more than anything And and that takes that takes a mature mind. Some people can't take that there's another show on here on. That's out there where this guy goes in and buys these businesses to help them succeed and and you should see how these people are when he comes in he tries to change. You know everything that they're doing And you know the the show that you guys are part of. It was such such a positive way of looking at things and it was amazing to see how a community came together and promoted you all and I'm sure everyone's business took a a boost to that and the whole main street was is that it's on Milk Street which is quote the mainstream of Art Our town specifically And when you piece together other a bunch of entrepreneurs and a bunch of businesses it kind of makes this oh whole little you know little community move and that's what's driving the business when you you have a bunch of successful little businesses people are going to come in to the The barbershop people are gonna come in to discover learning grow but while they're coming in they're passing by all these other businesses and now all of a sudden within the last two three years. We've seen that thing take off like no other In prior to that ten fifteen years before that we just saw things closed down right and it was the complete opposite. But it took people like you all Obviously to to believe in your Dream Team Go after it and then like you said you don't know what shot you had even being selected first of all the town itself had gets elected. So is that like hundreds of entries of other little towns going against and then we did the math. Then we do the math. It was like we had like one. In like some crazy percentage I forget what otherwise the entire odds against what's already narrowed them for the pig. Natasha was kind of like a free for all so do like different stages. I think like the beginning Nina like a free for all like you nominate in your town has to be nominated by so many like so many nominations. Okay and then they take like the top twenty and then they just break it down going down to keep going down to like the top five and so let's start off with the town. Had to get picked I think it was like four thousand five thousand towns small towns in the United States then narrow down from there like it used from four thousand to the top whatever one hundred ten words on the math. It is insane and a level of Quintus is for for like the the to get chosen in town then to even get chosen as business nurse you about all the businesses and all those four thousand towns. There's probably like one hundred hundred dollars each business in each each through sales if they wanted to be a part of it. So it's like even get chosen was even even more crazy so it's something as getting chosen you don't WanNa waste the time always towns time because it could have been offered to someone else so used to take advantage of it as much as you could have. That's what I did take advantage of. I could with the whole situation just like having this. Luckily you're all I mean. I always say locked. But like when I'm talking to like a mandate under and they're like no you deserve the guys everyone has been picked on this panel was like you guys were you guys. Were like the either town what I can be knowing just yet you have the like the task like representing Bristol to America. So yeah I mean you got to do. What's right open? Yeah I mean interest representatives Jesus and like getting picked were talking about earlier like being down by the river against selected and we said that we won Skinny children now. But it's like it was like an instant family to these guys like her mom Ramona dude shoes like we grew up in the church atmosphere and she was like back. She gave me his biggest hug. I never met her just seems biggest. Hug and squeeze Zuma hallways moves inside like family love. Reader's absolutely with the six businesses. That are that are. We're going to go through this road together. So it's like a family bond like it's like it was an instant family like right then and there so it was like a cool experience. I have a I think. That's how Bristol is though even before deluxe came like you know just like walking up and down the street you just see everyone. The people are smiling like we. We'll take our kids on walks and we'll just go to the bank or we'll go. You know I mean there's like old ladies. I live on the street and they just come out and he'll pet the dog and give have you lollipops over. Bristol is like really really welcome in. They've been welcome into us and it's just like a family. Any new business comes in. There's people there's you know people are here to help you. There's people willing to talk to you promote your business and stuff. So I mean deluxe did a great job and showing that in like people that haven't seen it like like when you watch it is just like this is really Bristol. Walks is really you know. They did a really good job of showing the family kind of atmosphere that Bristol has and stuff like that absolutely. Yeah we actually had on. We had on another business owner from you. Know on Mill Street Noble Earth and he was talking about Out just to the culture I never had a million years thought I was going to open up a business in Bristol and then he's thinking kind of like Oh man all the the odds are stacked against me and he said the complete opposite happened that when he opened. Everyone's so supportive. Everyone's like duty help with this. They're helping them fill it out applications and all that other stuff so oh it's awesome to see the town come together and it's like you said there were just highlight and we already was What I'm saying it's already there You know sometimes you know the potential dormant and it just takes that one little thing to highlight it and wake it up for the rest of the world to see and that's what you get out of you. You know what you guys were a part of and I felt we were part of it because they're doing all the promotion and did the leaders at a town did a great job of promoting and having support behind the show and gave them everything that they needed and again. It was an easy. You guys like you said you guys find out Minnesota Right. I mean I was twenty four hours. That was it for recording to like twenty minutes. Yeah twenty four hours in out and came back went back to work like he was so so two and a half years later now is both of you is what is still something that stands out as a highlight. Ah a lesson learned during that time now you shared one of them With which it was like a tweak in your prices but is there something that just still stands out from that experience two and a half years later like it was yesterday. Yeah there's a lot I think I'm GonNa keep using the word that you said like cultivating what that process dude. Uh cultivate our passion of like who we are and what we hear for on a lot of times You said it again to you just people just need that push or that you know that. Not just say look like you're here. What you're doing is worth it? You're part of the community and I feel like that's what they gave us. It's like a reward. A gift that keeps on giving. Yeah I mean like there's no you know we're here we know we're here for you. Know I mean. They gave us a beautiful Website to US helped us with social media like all the little things that we needed around our passion just to make us like a legit business and let us know like here. You know we're here to stay and we can continue to help the people in families in this community communities it's awesome it was just like immediate feel like important so for me I was already in business for like seven years sir. It was just I was in the shop. I'm just cutting hair. Cutting hair never realized that I was even known or was even visible so they may make obviously on his platform. We're like now you're visible to everyone. And and so now. You're appreciate it but at the same time they did give you like you said all those extra tools like the website like to help out with with social media the little things that I kind of lacking because I'm not like a social media type person analogous techy to say. Should they help you like tell me guy had managed little things and these are things that I probably would never done on my own. You know what I mean unless it was someone like that pushing me without with their credibility like you should do this. Trust me do it. And I'm like okay and it definitely did work to my advantage. It how in in that way. It's also so so speaking of social media does there's discovery learning grow used social media To help grow your brand and and and you know what the services you guys provide yes. We are on facebook and Instagram FACEBOOK NS NS grimace discover learn grow And we use hashtags as governor and Grow Bristol. Discover learn grow So just look up but yeah we use it a lot It's Kinda on a heart with the kids but we use that to like highlight our summer program that we have and do we like the trips and stuff that the kids take the different activities and stuff like that. Yeah for sure. That's awesome all right so so switching things up let's bring it to you Marcellus Jones what. Is it your motivation right. So so wh- what keeps your you know you know you up at night what's your passion and An and and just keeps you. I guess just go in every single day and excited to for the next sunrise to appear Me I'm just like a family person. I have a little one fiancee. We're getting married. I've brothers sisters madge just like everything I try to do is try to do with them in focus. I mean so like when I say like small businesses are small business where family you know what I mean like I. That's how we see it like your kids. Your family bring them in their enrolled. You know you're part of our family so oh love it like just waking up. Every day I wake up for the kids got you know. I mean because if we're not up there and we're not open doors one then they're going to miss out or you know they're gonNa Kreindler hind leg all want to go to daycare. I want to go to after school. So I mean that's the that's the biggest motivate. I think that's only motivated really. I need is you know we're here or I was put on earth or remark calling. Is You know to to deal. You know work with these kids and stuff like that. So I'm here and that's what gets me up. I love it also All oy so so took to to close this bad boy out. What's your recommendation to anyone? Trying to start a small business with to your experiences. Starting discover learning grow with your experience small business revolution. You have one tip or something to give anyone who's out there thinking Whatever their passion is and and to get the thing started? I think you said it I think is just passionate. Make sure it's something that you know. It's something that you can get up early four or something drives you late at night when you're up on something. You know motivates you just got you have to find a passion in what you're doing. Oh absolutely I mean and we all have different walks of life like Miguel's passion is cutting hair. So that's what gets them up. Mine is working with kids others. Are you know fitness of. Just find your passion and if fits your passing. It'll drive to wake up drive you to work harder to expand. It's just it's all about loving what you do and somehow taking what you do helping others you know what I mean. I love it all right so before we close out. You WanNa give us the your website website one more time yes. Our website is discover learn and grow dot com and then we're on facebook and instagram at discover learn grow perfect all right so there are you have it with like the close things out with quotes and the first one is by William Arthur award. The Mediocre Teacher tells the Good Teacher Explains The superior teacher demonstrates the great teacher inspires. And the second one is by Don Zimmer. What you lack talent can be made up with desire hustle and giving one hundred percent all the time don Zimmer discover learning grow in this episode Special Guests Marcella Jones? We cover topics that range from early childhood learning Entrepreneurship Small Business. Start up much. More wrapped the episode up with quotes. From William Arthur. Ward and Don Zimmer. Awesome guys thanks for joining us. Rotated fused podcast was produced for self development purposes. Hugh out to our sponsors. 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196 | The Exterminator Part 2

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196 | The Exterminator Part 2

"The MCC, sounds like in today's pop culture, it rings a value I have to tell me why Did you check to see if he had a handcuff key hidden anywhere I've had defendants who literally had them in their mouth. The buyback is a therapeutic medical grade back brace. The provides a drug-free solution for lower back pain bio back with specifically designed to improve posture and enhanced mobility buyback used to only be available with a doctor's prescription, and it costs hundreds of dollars. It's been ordered by thousands of doctors for their patients, doctors, and back pain sufferers alike appreciate bio back small size and lightweight design bio bax opposing forces combined with Lumbar Dome, which fits in the small back to reduce tension, provide relief and help improve posture mobility. Most people feel instant relief while performing almost any activity and bio back and also help prevent low back pain when more proactively during activities known to cause back pain. 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Actually gyms graded bragging about it anyway I mean Jeb. What's like eighteen things? The front of his hi I'm John Berman. Congress. For me. There's nothing you did that. Interesting enough to. The same is not true for Jim Fitzgerald, who I mean fits your career well, can I just say it reads like a book I mean I know you've written books that's just more of your careers. He's on number four but you started off as a child detective. I'm pretty sure that should be a TV show Doogie howser mysteries or something, and then you went on to become a. Store detective where you faced, you know shoplifters potentially attacking you and then you went onto the Ben Salem PD which seems like it would have been a sleepy town Andy Griffith, mayberry sort of thing but definitely not, and then you went onto the FBI wear. Sadly, you were partners often with one James Clementi I don't know how you don't with that and then the two of you will. greer whatever and then the Doobie became profiles together, and then what people don't know is that after you retired, you wrote books based on your career and they're called journey to the center of the mind and in your career you caught the unabomber all by yourself or at least I heard please prints. Well, it depends what book you read or mini series you watch. All. is mostly true in no. The utilizing arrest was a team effort but everything else you got pretty much Yahweh. Ben Salem PA is a very busy suburb of phileas not mayberry. I. Ninety five went through at the turnpike. There's race tracks route one cut through it. So we were pretty busy town getting a lot of the crime that came north of Philly in another part. So but everything else you pretty much hit on the money there including my lifelong friendship with Jim see as we used to when we reported the gyms. Lifelong friendship I'm pretty said it was something that you had to adore. Really know how to Mrs Turpin. Anyway fits great to have you back and we can't we dive back into the story. So you're waiting outside of this international Keller hit man's apartment where he's hiding out for two years after escaping prison. What happens next? We basically surround the disguised door. We had people in Chase cars we assumed he would be armed even going out lighting up for a cigar and. Sure enough at eight thirty, the door opens here comes this guy stands outside walks a little bit away from his door, and that is when everybody rushed in at. Once we made sure to get him on the ground he looked around he definitely thought about escaping especially with this guy's known background and he kind of looked around hands up and you could tell he was really thinking over the next thirty seconds or so which way to go. Finally. Went down on his knees lay prone on the ground. We solely went over put the cops on him. I didn't was one of the US marshals. It was Roy, their take down and We had our guns out until that time we put them away and sure not by checking his his belt area there was a twenty five caliber weapon found on him. The arrest of south was very undramatic, but you know what that Means Jim because you've been on undramatic arrests immediately planned it right right overwhelming force looking at all the contingencies being ready for anything that could happen and making the person believe that there's no reason to resist or try to escape inner perimeter outer perimeter all those things we covered. So he knows he's in a secure he knows how the arrest went down with the marshalls sale pd now is in this holding sal and the marshalls WanNa take. Him to a New, York City from where he escaped and put them in the MCC, the Manhattan Correctional Center, and That is their goal. So we babysat him all night on practicing these greis cooperative principles with him not giving him any more than he asked I don't have to answer anything with this guy, but I'm still trying to be polite a maybe he'll confess something to me that'd be Kinda cool that the international hitman confessed. The me just sitting outside of the cell, right? Okay. So you've described how a Rico pause for about thirty seconds obviously deciding whether he's GonNa fight or flight, but then goes down to his knees and the marshalls but the cuffs on what happens to him then what do you guys do? Well, at that point, we're not concerned about radio silence. So we bring in a patrol car actually van and they put his handcuffs on already put ankle. Cuffs on ankle bracelets we call them, and so he couldn't run or fight, and of course, hands behind his back lot of police officers that mistake. But we made your hands behind the back is twenty five of course was taken out of his waistband and they transport him back with two cars in front two cars in back lights and sirens to make sure. No interference. No RAMCAR is anywhere feds. Did you check to see if he had a handcuff key hidden anywhere? I've had defendants who literally had them in their mouth it was there the the bottom of their gum was actually in dented because it had been there so long that you didn't even feel it if you rubbed on the outside of their their cheek. Or you know in the beltline in the in the belt hoop somewhere behind his back where he would anticipate having his hands handcuffed. Actually had a specialist with them and out there in the parking lot of this Brookwood apartment complex street, Neil roads in Bensalem they had a guy didn't quite do a body cavity search. Every piece of his clothing was squeezed flashlights in the mouth Ben over at least look in certain areas and they had people standing around. So the little kids weren't walking by and seeing this, but they made sure this guy number one had no weapons and number two did not have anything like a handcuff key and he did have a body cavity search by me but by the marshalls or someone when they got him back to the the PD detention center and he was covered there but yeah, we didn't want the plan getting ruined. Aren't we made the arrests successfully he's on the ground is. Less, not blow it now, either things could happen badly then to after arrest. But the processions only about a mile long to get from the complex to the PD and he was walked in basically through a gauntlet to make sure nobody could come out of nowhere and somehow grab him to away whatever and we got him in the cell and. And he didn't leave there until the next morning the Marshall showed up and they had a few cars with them. He was in the middle and they went up the Jersey turnpike two hour ride and I happen to know there was no issues getting him into the MCC safely. We just want to make sure we took him down safely and for holding him overnight. We wanted to make sure he didn't escape from our detention cells in the police department, and that's I was in charge of supervising that whole detail to make sure we had closed circuit TV members of the early eighties. All these police departments weren't wired up in the cars and the authors didn't have their body cams. So sometimes a move like cameras around we had A. Profile prisoners, someone who was gonna try to hurt themselves or someone else conceivably. So not only do we put a camera on this guy but the chief chief volatile a fits I want you to actually sit in an office chair, wheel it in right outside his cell I want you and a few your men not taking your eyes off him at any time what. So ever senior babysitting the exterminator, which is pretty incredible in small town Pennsylvania and the guy is at Lisa suspect unnamed suspect in the death of people in Italy involve with the mysterious pope who might have. Well, let's just say died under a serious circumstances potentially back in nineteen, seventy eight and there you are. A sergeant in Bensalem PD sitting outside this guy. So I mean, what was that like? This is an international criminal. This seems pretty incredible. Mission impossible to, be. And let me just add when they searched his I knew this because the search of the apartment took place right afterwards and they found four revolvers and automatic rifle with a tripod. shotgun a machine fully automatic machine gun. Lots of ammo to bulletproof vest and a hand grenade. Oh. Fat Guy was loaded for bear like literally, and they found a die marked money from a few bank robberies that occurred in neighboring towns to Ben Salem out. So that's how you supporting himself while he was living on the Lam. This guy's care besides killing bugs and other humans yours the knew how to rob banks also fixed. So there you are. So tell us the setup describe it for us. What is this cell look like? World fisted but our chief just said he's a known kilner. He kills cops he kills lawyers and banking people who knows where he was the night that Pope John Paul the first you know it was found dead and I'm not directly directly tying him to that. But I mean who knows and now I'm in charge of just watching this guy having guys working under me do the same thing and now I wanna bring the linguistic aspect. Two things I know you're you're listening you're hearing that stuff they love it and I didn't even know this was really linguistics. Back. Then because here on where I'm at the same time now early eighties on working on my master's degree at Villanova University in organizational psychology and just a week or two before I had a philosophy course there, and one of the professors brought up a guy named are Herbert breaks and grace's known for his cooperative principle and what an realizes two decades. Later linguists are are really into this guy. Greis. And his cooperative principle in how people communicate but crisis cooperative principle. Just just let me throw this here. It's basically the basic definition is it's the a cooperation between speakers and people spoken. To so right now I'm the speaker and you're being spoken to now you we reverse roles here and you do the same back to me. I'm also the express her, you're the receptor but the but the four maxims of the cooperative principle is how people are basically innately designed to communicate to get their point across and they are quality quantity relevancy and manner, and basically quality is you don't tell falsehoods you don't lie. This is the cooperative principle we should have quantity you don't tell more you don't tell less. Now I'm kind of telling you stories adding a little more very fits view. Offensive you. Do Favorite added gem relevancy nothing irrelevant, and I'm trying to keep everything here irrelevant to the story, and lastly is is matter that is brief. Obscurity or ambiguity let about I think manner would also include just bowling ahead and trying to dominate the conversation like Jim always does with me on this podcast. Wait. Wait wait what Manners not talking about manner the win. Is conveyed. That's what I'm talking about. Jim Conveys his constant superiority over me. I hear it every. True Sir just are hard to avoid. Let's get back fit since he is our guest in this manner. Okay. And we're talking about. Matters. Anyway fits. So you're sitting outside of us. So not in the cellar hope not okay. You're sitting outside the cell of mission impossible world renowned killer exterminator and he wants to talk to you he's asking you about you. Think maybe he thinks you're some kind of country bumpkin who's he's going to manipulate into letting him out. Yeah. Remember this guy's already killed one hundred thousand dollar contract to kill a lawyer and finance person in Italy. He also killed another contract for the Palermo Italy. Police cheek bars Guiliani because there are other documents and he found now all of a sudden I'm sitting across from this guy and he's trying to make friendly with me and I'm going back to these Herbert Greis principles of cooperation out people talk how people communicate with one another and as I mentioned quality quantity relevancy in manner, and I'm trying to be polite to this guy and at the same time, not give him any information in which he could possibly track me down or find out where I live now don't get me wrong I'm not afraid of this guy. I'm not like sitting there trembling in my shoes I'm a law enforcement professionals my job to arrest people like this and we did it right what does he say what is he asking you? First thing he said to me is He called me kid because I was not even thirty yet and correct that. Sergeant Fitzgerald I thought. Why did I give my name? Kid either even if you're an international hitman show me summit and he said Oh sorry Sergeant Fitzgerald I never told him I. First Name. So have you been here and very question he asked I. Waited like thirty seconds to answer and I'm thinking of the cooperative principle I I don't WanNa piss them off not because he's going to hurt either jail. So you know bars between us but I just don't want this guy yelling and screaming or or anything like that. I, don't know him well enough so. At that time six years. And your sergeant already and you know we can with this the yes and you're both France jimmer lawyers you know when you`re Cross examining someone or even under direct you know they witness is usually as answer the question. Asked yes. Now don't volunteer anything which really falls into grace's cooperative principle amy lawyers have been using that for years he has sort of qualified and here's what I was doing with this guy thinking of this these sort of philosophical but certainly language and communication you know aspects and here i. am kind of following those same rules thanks professor who happen to teach these a week earlier then he will. Grow up in. Philadelphia do I live here. Full time and do I WANNA move off do any other job and then he asked me go have at some point this is like the second hour have I ever been to Italy at that time I had not and I probably would have told him I had been there Looking back I wish I said Yeah I was there once I visited Pope John Paul the I did you know him? befits. Do you think he was just trying to pass the time or do you think he was mining for information that he could exploit to try to see if he can manipulate you into giving him just the slightest bit of advantage or even distracting you. Was He profiling you? I mean that's what I'm thinking jam. Was He profiling you fettes. He definitely was and I wasn't allowing him to do that. I couldn't shut up and said a word. No one feels comfortable doing that like as you know I'll show you won't even answer you. But I think this guy, his track record is he's all about planning. He's all about a pre-operational techniques. His whole life just got turned around by literally two and a half hours before I'm sitting outside of the cell he was he was out for two years from rikers robbing banks. We think maybe killing people we we had on side like A. Month before in Bensalem to this day, it's not Saudi. Thought maybe he's connected, but we put him somewhere else he was involved in that. So he's feeling me out I'm kind of feeling him out. I'm still relatively young person in certainly even law enforcement was six years and I think this was the first either domestic or international hit man I was sitting across from 'cause I told the new podcast interviews. There aren't that many real hit men out there Hollywood glorifies them and you hear about them every once in a while but you get some local Yokel, he'll give you. If you kill my wife and daughter go and do that and they call themselves a hitman sometimes the wife of course, paying to get the husband kill and luckily the police intercept these people in more cases than not and get away. Partners ever takeout hits on it. You. Know. Just curious. I. Mean. Question. And it is weird Francey. Talking about. I don't know I just. It just occurred to me I think I was reading. And is not within earshot I hope Oh, he's not home when I talk about Hitman I make sure he's never here. Anyway, you said something that really kind of rung a bell for me a minute ago and I have two questions about it. You said that marshalls wanted to take the exterminator to the MCC in Manhattan and I have two questions. One the MCC sounds like in today's pop culture it rings a bell. You'll have to tell me why that rings a bell and then secondly, why didn't they? Why did they leave with you? Why didn't this up that far? Is it from Bensalem to Manhattan notes about a believe me I know very well, I drove it. For seven years, it's about a two hour drive and for intake and a admin type of reasoning they wanted just not take him at nighttime risk anything in the dark with any co conspirators of his conceivably they wanted to do it in daylight and plus it's easier to put someone in there in in a place like the MCC during the daytime I think Adam arraigned up there somehow. So for court purposes. So the bottom line was they were going to pick him up around seven am and take him up to Manhattan and but he's plea. The BENSALEM PD and me and my men would be done with this operation for this Guinean CC. Why do we know that today? Well because back in August of two thousand and actually get some July of two thousand Nineteen Jeffrey Epstein. was there and he wound up killing himself. That's what everybody seems due to speak. Think and say official reports suggest that and this was the same sell the same prison, of course, that same detention center that William Areco. Is being taken too early that morning of June seventeenth in nineteen, eighty two. So the news segment in August of nineteen. This case came to mind and I said, you know what? I have a connection with the MC and not only did they allow Jeffrey Epstein to kill himself a month ago but in nineteen eighty four, they lent an international hitman get out the window and about fifty feet down the side of the building. Yes. Late and William a rigo what. What how what am? No bars I mean I know that building they're very few windows and the whole damn building but. How did how did that happen fits? He and one of his colleagues from the whole Italian affair, the Pope and the Vatican Bank and killing bankers and police chiefs another guy was there named Mike Michelle. Sonya and they both somehow God's sheets like the old movies they made out of their cell and they made it to an open window and they dropped the sheets out. Time together you can picture the knots in them every you know ten feet or so but they had a little problem with math and I guess you could throw physics in there too because the sheet collection was not quite long enough to reach the next roof, which was about forty feet in distance, and when they both dropped, they both hit the ground, the concrete and they died. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Hold on Becca. First of all, I don't understand. I, mean, I, always thought this time sheets together was a bunch of TV garbage. I don't understand how people can collect enough sheets to tie together with nobody paying any attention to it to get out of their cell and get to a window in the first place and the second place. This guy is an international murderer fugitive who'd already Escaped from rikers island, how were they not watching heaven MCC and now suddenly I'm understanding how Epstein was allowed to kill himself well, now you see the link, you know four decades apart between the MCC and allowing someone to collect at least one sheet with Epstein and and kill himself without hang himself with that, and somehow with a Rico back in the mid eighties doing the same thing except collecting sheets not trying to kill himself. But get out an open window, believe it or not, and both of the MCC. I'm sure there were different people working on each shift in charge of of the of the facility that time but the point is separated by several decades, we have two very lax administrations, employees, correctional officers, whatever you WANNA call them. You know a CCTV's systems whatever you want to attest to it and and they both fail to there's I'm not. Sure what Epstein if it was suicide? It was homicide I don't have any direct information that but it's pretty clear. I knew everything Rico did certainly that was public and made available back in Italy in Bucks County Pa and then a few years later when he finally went to this final trip out the window in the ground horns. All right. Well, we know at least one thing that that a Rico didn't kill Jeffrey Epstein. Thing, we can rule that out at this point. Jim. Which one of you have ever been in the MCC find the whole idea that a rico was able to tie sheets together and get out the window to be baffling because normally these federal facilities which they have to be federal facilities, toll federal prisoners although they're usually stay facilities with certain number of federal cells but they have to meet certain requirements and standards. What does the MCC looked like I mean? Is it just easy to escape? Well I've been down there a few times, but just mainly to drop off and pick up prisoners I haven't actually been to the cells themselves but I can tell you that it's very officially and professionally run although we all know some pretty major examples of when that professionalism Kinda failed. The Epstein case is a perfect example, but I don't know fits. Have you have you been there? Have you seen actually been back to the cells there MCC I have and in one of our earlier shows I talked about the bank robber who turned informant. The mob guys we're going to kill the son of a federal judge. So got a wire that guy up and I was in signed the holding area and I did have a picture of what the cellblocks looked like whatever and of course, it looks like. A very secure lockup facility no one sent there for a real long time. They're basically awaiting trial in that place or transportation one place to another, and that's what was happening with a rigo. He was possibly to being sent back to Italy in some sort of an extradition that was the plan. So yeah, these escapes don't usually happen at nighttime all the administrators there may be officers or agents like me and Jim. are going in and out but these things happened usually at nighttime maybe in the morning hours, trash trucks whatever going in and out there's noise created. So up now to answer your question, Francine the looks like a very secure place, they don't escape from there very often. But at least in the mid eighties, there was one good attempt with Mr Rico Aka exterminator and he could been out killing more people. Didn't have that final drop of about forty feet or so well fits dino if they just if they were both on the sheets at the same time or if they just did it one at a time we did perhaps did it tear and and that's why they ended up crashing to the ground. You know this is a it's on a book called in God's name it's a nineteen, eighty, five book by David. And the subtitle is. In investigations in a murderer of Pope John, Paul. The first now you guys know me I'm not a big conspiracy person. I'm not sure if he was murdered or not but boy some people around the whole banking system that were murdered and who are about to testify in court. So but in terms of the exact specifics of that escape attempt I told it was sheets untold to people went out at the same time or close to the same time and. Apparently they tested the sheets for weight that if each guy was you know two hundred pounds, it can hold four hundred whatever. But that didn't seem to be the problem. It seems they ran out of sheet with, of course, is always a problem if you're climbing down the side of a tall building and. They couldn't convert them parachutes or anything like that. So they wind up dropping to the floor and. To the ground, the their hit men career was was then ended. It's funny because you you feel like you've got hit men who so sophisticated this the terminator he's got a name these you know Intrigue International Guy. He's got grenades and automatic weapons and yet he's so dumb that he dies because he doesn't tie enough sheets during his escape. One idiot. Francis. They probably couldn't get access to enough sheets but he. Certainly, hit the ground and that's appropriate for a Hitman I suppose the fact is though that you were not able to then actually ever fully debrief him right nobody actually knows everything he did it went to the grave with him yeah. Without a doubt and and there's no doubt there are of crimes unsolved because of his death but the way I look at I ended that chapter in a book there are probably people many people perhaps still alive because he self exterminated at the very end they're on the way down the prison wall so Looking at birth. So. A couple of times you've mentioned your books and I know that you published three already. They're continuing saga of your life and you're working on your fourth. That's a lot of writing and it's a lot of work because I've done one book and I know how much how many years it took me to actually put that together how do you do all that? Well, you say one book Jim would how many dozens of scripts have you written and treatments whatever. So we're probably about equal in that regard I spent five years. Pretty much devoted besides doing consulting work and other TV works on with you to to writing these. I wanted to get my story out and. then. The Middle Book falls into what we were kind of talking about with the exterminator in William Areco. Sam Police days at at actually dovetails onto an episode I did with you guys a few years ago when I was a Bensalem sergeant in fact, this was a few nights after the hitman arrests where I caught a Roman Catholic priest. In the process of sexually assaulting not one but two boys. So we talked about this. Already, we put it all on his one of your episodes and a very sad thing. But I'm glad we got this off the street whatever. But yeah as best case worst case, we talked about this priest arrest in an earlier episode of your show at Awhile here's a little follow up to it not the case itself, but just how people can be Well, let's say they are sheets They would also go outside of a building with sheets too short, most likely. The weird part is I published a second book and it goes out there and I recount that story and about three years. Now, maybe two years after that I, read some comments under the Amazon section where it sold I, don't even check the comments very often but here a present existing Ben Salem police officer, who is the son of a police officer who I reference in my book to in the eighties. So I wrote some things about them. All true. All accurate back up with legal documents, news articles, and here this son of this one officer decides to put some comments and he names himself. A My dad officer retired David Cle- you borrowed you stole from him. You didn't make that priest arrest he did and I'm reading this saying what and look what I have here and they put some kind of an attachment on the comments from some unnamed newspaper where it does say officer David cly made the arrest of father so and so and he was then sentenced to you know this is like a few months later and I'm so that makes no sense. It didn't happen. So actually caught up another detectors ridiculous was officer Dade cle- involved in the arrest of the priest no, and then I called the Police Department nowadays it can you attack the arrest book from Nineteen Eighty to June gave the day. You see the this guy's name yes. Whose name is neck to arresting officer took him a few days. Do all this Sergeant James Fitzgerald and other names no. Thank you. Now I did leave that but I wanted to see him somebody was sophisticated enough to go balls information. Around and certainly at least a year ago that didn't happen. So this is what happens when you write books Jim I know you went through some of it and even not even about your book is much is about some other stances you were taking? So it's more of a fun thing to me we talk about best cases on this show and worse cases why still stand by that was one of the better. Aces A my at my career to make that arrest that priests get him off the streets of these for awhile. But it kind of turns into worst case in some other officer with whom I used to work now, trying to take credit for it. So it's just a funny little. Aside, we talk about all that interesting things. I. Did in my career Jim you and Francis same thing but there are people out there. To just WanNa take shots at you just WanNa take take something away from the earn an focus on that and what I found is you know it's kind of fun to just throw back the truth at them and laugh at them and say go a have fun. You know be a jerk if you want somewhere else but you know there are people like that I just in fact, I, think today or yesterday on. Twitter, you know some goof-balls trying to attack me. You know about my testimony might propose testimony in the Michael Jackson case and you know saying that I they ended up not calling me because I wasn't a professional or something goofy like that, and but I mean the reason why I couldn't testify was because I was actually having a bone marrow transplant at the time and you know for some heckler some you know goofball who? Doesn't even put their identity on twitter and thinks that they can just attack people randomly I mean it's just it's just goofy childish bullshit and I'm sorry that you had to go through it to yeah it's you know it's these trolls the I think it's a great name for them twitter trolls or comment trolls or whatever at least you guys get trolled. About your professional career whenever I appear on the news, not whenever. But sometimes I appear I told about my so at least you don't face that I get I get negative comments about of all things well, not just whether or not I'm particularly shapely but also my eyebrows can guys believe that has anyone ever commented on your eyebrows I, get actual comments. On those comments that's insane. WHO's staring at my eyebrows I'd like to know and can I say or the record? These are my real eyebrows. So I just want to put that out there. Yeah. Thought they should place for body shaming and yeah, these people that ruin it at least in my case I call them trolls with actually named the guide, the officer named himself and then and his father just trying to grab onto some kind of legacy that I guess is. Not there. So yeah but again, it's more I put some snarky comments back to people want to check hats up but I I've I've given up on that. So all right. 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This Woodcutters no Railsplitter. Operation Dream Job. COVID-19 phishing.

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This Woodcutters no Railsplitter. Operation Dream Job. COVID-19 phishing.

"Everybody Dave here as you know, we've been fortunate to have build a pretty influential audience over the years security leaders across the globe trust us and depend on us every day to deliver the news and analysis they need to do their jobs. and. That's also why so many top security companies and hot startups trust us to connect them to the decision makers and influencers to help get the word out about their brand and filled their sales funnels. We've got lots of great sponsorship opportunities that can help you get the word out to just visit the cyber wire dot com slash sponsorship to learn more and connect with us. That's the cyber wire dot com slash sponsorship acts. NSA AND FBI release detailed report on Gru tool set North Korea's operation dream job fishes. In Israeli waters CISA warns of covid Nineteen Loan Relief Scams Malek Bensalem from Accenture Lamps with highlights from their twenty twenty vision report. Our guest is Mike Hamilton from CPI security who clears the air on election security and the shift to absentee status and crooks are using infection and job loss as. Fish Bait. And now a word from our sponsor, observe it with a distributed workforce becoming the new norm. Many organizations are forced to learn how to manage mission critical functions remotely. Brings a unique set of insider threat challenges to the four whether it's careless users, disgruntled employees or third party contractors. Insider have access to sensitive data on networks that are likely less secure, introducing new risks to Your Business to protect against these new threats proof points observant in the threat management solution, empower security teams to identify user risk, protect data exfiltration, and accelerate incident response. 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This morning released a report on drove rube malware a hitherto publicly unremarked strain deployed by twenty eight, which of course is fancy bear. Russia's generic. Military Intelligence Service. The report describes drove a rube as a Lennox malware tool set consisting of an implant coupled with a kernel module root kit, a file transfer and port forwarding tool and a command and control server. When deployed on a victim machine drove rube implant client provides the capability for direct communications with actor controlled see to infrastructure filed download and Upload Capabilities Execution of arbitrary commands as route and port forwarding of network traffic to other hosts on the network, all of which is well allot. McAfee CTO Steve Grubman commented an email that drove a rube is a Swiss army knife of capabilities that allows the attacker to perform many different functions such as stealing files and remote controlling the victim's computer. Drove a rube can be detected about the two agencies warned that like other advanced route kits, the malware take some pains to hide itself, and so it may be overlooked if you're not on the lookout for it. The alert recommends updating to Lennox Kernel three point seven or later, which will enable users to take full advantage of colonel signing enforcement. It also encourages administrators to configure systems. So they will only load modules that have a valid digital signature. An Essay and the bureau don't say what they think. Fancy bears objectives are with drove rube but they do scowl in the direction of the GRU's interest in election meddling fancy bears been there before still a Swiss army knife you can do a lot. So why is it called? Drove a rube. You're probably wondering the word means woodcutter would chopper or would splitter. In this case, it's the GRU's own name. That's what the hoods back at the aquarium call it. Nice. Touch that an essay you could Americanize. The name is rail splitter but honest Abe 's they're not. Another question, the alert is detailed and specific. You can get it from the NSA pressroom at NSA DOT GOV and it's a lively read that really put the G. Into Gru. Why release it the authors say in an accompanying fact, we're sharing this information with our customers and the public to counter the capabilities of the GRU GT SS an organization which continues to threaten the United States and its allies. We continuously seek to counter their ability to exploit our nation's critical networks and systems and quote. That seems right to us. It also seems likely that Fort Meade is leading the girls and boys over at the aquarium. No. That NSA sees right through them, wood chips and all. Fishing, for job seekers, the technique in the fishers aren't new, but the target set has shifted a bit. The Jerusalem Post reports that the Israeli Defense Ministry says it detected and stopped to campaign. By North, Korea's Lazarus group to gain access to his rarely defense companies. The Lazarus group used a now familiar tactic fishing in linked in with a bogus job offer targeted employees. Researchers at security firm clear sky where they've given the campaign the appropriate operation dream job have details. And approach maybe initially made through a fictitious Lincoln profile wants some contact is established and degree of report. And this is linked in. So the report needn't be very strong. The attackers can escalate through other forms of communication like phone calls and interaction over we chat. Eventually, a spear phishing email arrives bearing one of a small number of militias payloads. The fake job offer is an obvious approach clear sky points out and it's got a fair chance of being effective for several reasons I it's likely to draw the victims attention during a period. When employment is uncertain, anxiety can render the mark more vulnerable to social engineering and the interactions. One expects during recruiting Ken as clear. Sky Observes establish personal connection and induce a false feeling of benefit from the conversation. Employees are also likely to be loath to disclose to their colleagues and especially to their bosses that they're considering a new job offer. The less the mark say about the scam, the less likely they are to raise any red flags discretion is expected and the Lazarus Group asks for it. It's useful. For example, if the threat actors can persuade victim that correspondents is better carried out over their personal email account as opposed to their corporate account correspondents conducted this way is likelier to bypass corporate security measures. Once, the payloads in and the victim is compromised. Lazarus group has two goals and these are always the same. They want access to corporate networks where they can steal intellectual property and they want access to financial accounts where they can steal well money. The US election continues to heat up and along with it. There's continuing concern for election security and integrity especially as more states focus on voting by mail. Thanks to safety concerns from the COVID pandemic. Mike Hamilton is founder and CEO at CI Security and former chief information security officer for the city of Seattle Washington where voting by mail has been an option for decades. Our own chief analyst and chief Security Officer Rick Howard got on the line with Mike Hamilton. Here's their conversation since I've lived here in Washington state. This is the only way we've done it and it was surprising at first. but you get your ballot well in advance of the election. In fact so far in advance of the election, you know some people voted in the presidential primary and there when by the time they voted it was already a done deal. And they had voted you know they've they voted early and then found out well, you know they voted for somebody lost and didn't have a chance you know to modify that. So takes a little bit of the drama out of it but other than that it's. Your system it is we consider it to be in. There are a lot of controls in place to starting with how the ballots are printed, and you know every one of them has a bar code in that bar code is key to you and it also is key to your signature on file. Those signatures are checked by hand and by machine right if the machine fails as this doesn't look like a match, it goes to a person, they will check it, and then if they have to pull it out, they'll give you a call talk to me about that that sounds fast never heard of that before. So you sent a barcode to a registered user. Yes, how does that? How do we make sure that no one can interfere with that? The Barcode is key to you, right. So you know there is there is a suggestion made recently that other countries could just print phony ballots and no, they can't. They can't do that because it has to be coded to every voter, and there has to be a signature match as well and multiple levels of all of these controls being checked for every ballot Washington state's been doing this for what in years is that what you said or since the eighties is the eighties now now they're states who have never tried this right now it's July, could they get up to speed quickly enough to make this work? I don't know if they didn't if they obviously, they didn't get in front of this a little before now part of the problem is going to be. Printing all those ballots with barcodes establishing a database that has already have copies of signatures probably electronically. But now they've got to be all key to a database corresponding to the Barcode. And then have ballots printed that our individual to each voter. And you know there's companies that do that. But I think he needed to get into the queue pretty early. So you're anticipating that there's going to be some disagreement about the results of all of these things. Regardless. If we do it by mail in or the way we've always done it and this might be prolonged election season is that what you? Yes, that is exactly right I think a lot of people are thinking that too, and so is there anything we can do to head that off? Do you think? Well you know I think. Educating people on exactly the way this works like your doing right now. I. Think is probably the best thing we can do but there's just a lot of people that will reject any information that you know doesn't fit. They're kind of preconceived notion of reality. You're right, Mike. We live in interesting times. What can I tell you? Well. Thank you, sir. Thank you for giving me your insight and. I guess we will see what happens. Yeah. We'll see what happens. Thanks the conversation Rick. That's the cyber wires Rick Howard speaking with Ci Securities, founder and chief. Information Security Officer Mike Hamilton? And finally as if people didn't have enough trouble without crooks jumping up and down on them, when their down during a pandemic, there are more covid nineteen themes scams out and about. The US cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency warned that an unknown militias cyber actor is spoofing US small business administration. Cove nineteen loan relief site, and phishing emails. By these marks shall know them. Subject Line is SBA application review and proceed. The center is disaster customer service at be a Dot Gov. Don't go there. There are also fishing expeditions going after individuals and these are baited with anxiety. So what are people worried about? Nowadays, a lot of them are worried about getting sick or getting fired and the Crooks of course, take notice of popular. Fears. USA Today reports that people are getting spammed telling them. Hey, you've been infected with covid nineteen and hey, you've also just been fired. If you get one of these, take a deep breath and think about how likely it is that you'd be notified of either infection or firing by. If. You've still got a case of the yips, call your doctor or call your job for quick reassurance. And then pick up the phone and call the Federal Trade Commissioners Consumer Hotline. But stay safe out there are all in this together. And now a word from our sponsor threat connect designed by analysts but built for the entire team. Red Connects intelligence driven security operations platform is the only solution available today with intelligence automation analytics and workflows in a single platform. 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It's always great to have you back you and your team there at accenture recently came out with a publication that we wanted to touch on today about some of your vision going forward for twenty twenty some of the things you wanted to share with us today. Yeah, our security technology vision has focused this year on continuous innovation through emerging technology adoption and how organizations can adopt new technologies. In and do that securely. So. We've surveyed about five hundred in C. Suite executives from companies covering twelve industries by eight countries. and. These are big companies. So companies that have revenue of five billion dollars or more. And The questions we wanted to look at is how can enterprises be at the forefront of technology adoption driving growth but doing so securely? and. You know the main findings we've had based on this survey where we're actually surprising? So we've been able to find that leasing merging technologies on the ones we focused on where A. Five G. Quantum and extended reality star. It seems that these technologies posed a major paradigm shift in security challenges we found that the respondents to our survey. Believe. That Ai. Implemented emerging technology to date as indicated in our study was perceived as the most significant security risk. So forty five percent of our survey respondents. BELIEVED THAT AI POSE A significant security risk but less. So with the other technologies. So for Fi- five was thirty one percent only who believed you know it poses a security risk quantum computing only twenty, eight percent and x are only twenty one percent. So This was surprising to us. So it seems that there is a you know some. Lack of understanding or ender estimation of the security risk that these emerging technologies pose to organizations. Now, there were some other interesting things you got from your results here. What else can you share with us? Yeah. So our continue basically whether theme of estimation In our second finding, we found that C. Suite executives underwrite the extent and timing of what they need to do to secure these technologies. So won't we asked about how would you plan on doing to you know to secure? A or five G. Cetera. You know these executives answer had several strategies in mind. So they thought about training existing employees seventy, seven percent of them thought. So thought about collaborating partnering with organizations that have expertise seventy, three percent hiring new talents have been three percent acquiring new business start-ups forty-nine percent. But when we asked what is started planning to secure these technologies only fifty five percent said so that they are actively planning to secure Ai. Only thirty, six percent. A mentioned that they started planning for five fifty, thirty, two percent for Xsara in twenty, nine percent for quantum. So wild, these executives are thinking about various strategies to secure these emerging technologies in the long run it seems that they're under estimating along it takes. To do that how long it takes to secure these technologies we know that just you know bringing people on board and teaching them be technologies these innovative technologies. Itself takes time. Let alone teaching security professionals have the security these technologies that takes even longer. While courses exists them coarser or you know online learning platforms, we know that it takes much more to gain basic proficiency in securing an emerging technology. So we urge know these executives to start thinking about security now as they're adopting emerging. Interesting indeed. All right we'll Malek. Ben Salem. Thanks for joining us. Today. And that's the cyber wire for links to all of today's stories. 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133 Author Isabel Sterling

What Book Hooked You?

23:43 min | 2 years ago

133 Author Isabel Sterling

"This is what book hooked you. I'm Brock Shelley, and thanks for listening, I guess, for this episode is is about sterling who's booking? These witches don't bring is out now from razor bell. I was glad to get the chance to talk to is about to hear what she was into when she was in her why years, how she got into writing and what books have really influenced her right now. So listen. So isabelle. What book hooked you? So the book that hooked me was L enchanted by Gail Carson LeVine. I actually still have my childhood copy that has the instinct get with reading sticker in it. So what time what how old were you, then when you read this book? Oh, jeez. Probably, and he's third or fourth grade. Okay. And why this book, what is about this book? That is the book that really comes to mind when asked this question. Yes, this is the first book that I can remember, you know, picking out the book reading it, and just wanting to live in that world view books that I read over and over and over again, as a child, I'm not much of every reader still to this day. And this is one that I always wanted to go back to, and especially loved, you know, all the different creatures and all the different made up languages. It would just so captivating too. Young me just wanted to disappear into those pages. So tell us then because this was a book that you read kind of in your middle grade years, what we would call now. What type of child when you kind of reflect back with type of child were you that this is a book that kind of really you latched onto? See I was very much a school kid in that. I love school. I loved learning. And I think that's part of what I liked about this book, is that, you know, Ella with a girl who was very smart. He was very funny inches good with languages. And that was that was without her more so than yeah, she wasn't mean she ended up with the prince, but she wasn't to Princess. She was kind of a normal, girl, the wisdom, you know, obviously with some difficulties with her. You know, very Lessing cash Peters, but I think just being a very. Kind of wish kid when it wasn't cool for girls to be at the pub, one of the reasons rather like this bucks. And so over all then beyond just this book, what type of reader were you were you someone that read widely, or was Ellen Shanta kind of that one book that kind of cropped up, but for the most part, maybe you weren't as big a a reader as most. Know I was a huge. I loved reading definitely kind of propelled me into a right a lot fantasy. You know, like most people my age grew up with Harry Potter near those coming out right around the same time that was roughly the same age hairy. So I guess I'm gonna last fantasy and I also read a lot of once I got to lose before it, even we really had why it was like the team fiction section and borders. I lived in action when I was growing up on all the older. So then, as you got older more in that what we call now the why a stage where you a big reader still did books were you, did you still have quiet for books? I'll say or did kind of adolescence in school kind of slow things down down, as far as you're reading life goes in high school. I still is very much a big reader. I do drop off really. When I went to college, but in high school, I read I read all the twilight books, I read almost everything that make cat it put out. I read the entire, I think, Cate Tiernan, the sweet series twenty bucks in that series at all of those, I was just reading, constantly I had grew up with a ton of siblings and reading, kind of like my alone time, just keep from the men, that's at home. And was it around this time that you kind of had the ideal or were making attempts at writing stories of your own? Not really. I really didn't do much writing. When I was younger, I did a lot of times of. I know it I guess it'd be like, sort of internal whole fan fiction, I never wrote it down. But my parents were divorced every other weekend we would drive an hour and a half between the houses. And I would spend the entire ride thinking about stories and they David stories and won't their extra character in this book. You know what would that person do? And now that self insert sort of dance it, but it never actually wrote it down in part. It was Julie to it was so dark out when we're doing the drive. I couldn't read. All right. I just can't imagine stories what point in your life. Did you kind of have that drive or have that wanting desire to start writing? Yeah. So I think they came to it late. I didn't start writing until I was in grad school. And I think part of that was channeled my creativity in a different way through college. I was actually a music composition, major I was writing, you know, string quartets and, you know, choral music, and that kind of stuff. So it's rep a lot of my creative energy for the four years. I was in college. And then when I went to old kind of gotten burned out through like the news thing I realized, I had gone from there is much more. I was like, no really good compared to other people who are trying to do that. And then went to college, and I was like, oh, no, not that good at this, and I never had the I didn't love it enough to fight for the kind of growth needed to make it as a. He's a greater. So when I went to grad school and for completely different thing and went forth. If there's so worked in student housing for a long time, my second year, I would miserable, and I needed an outlet, but I was still had no interest in going back to dick. And that's when I was like, oh, I should write a novel because that seems like something one would just do. So was there a book or maybe a couple of books that were kind of maybe get a little bit of credit for being part of that inspiration to kind of get you started to right? You know, I'm not sure if there is a book that I read and I went, oh I could write this. But I do know a few months before started writing is when I first started rereading me. That rerating but getting back into reading, so the summer before I started my source book, I read the entire hunger games trilogy. I read his in debtor's first books, something change deadly just starting to get back into why. An I think that helps because I was back into sort of a reading group at that point, I don't know if I had read, though, they might not have had the sought to write a book. And so then when you started what were those first attempts would John ra- category, kind of what kind of themes or elements where you can play around with. Yeah. Some very very but then I wrote, which was total garbage. I basically through in everything that I liked it tried to make all work in one book. So I had like every type of fantasy creature you could imagine. I had, you know, some of these like separate magic factions. And, you know the one girl who had, you know the power of both. Oh my goodness. What's going to happen? And so that was a train wreck. But it was it was fun. You know, I think that I did you know, Raimondo in twenty twelve is my first time I wrote something I did it with the whole story in a month is the first time ever trying that gave me a lot of confidence of, like, hey, I can do this thing. So then I had to actually learn how to revise it was hot. And then from there, I wrote the next year, I wrote a high fantasy novel, there's a little bit better. And then I wrote something that was sort of slow historical fiction, kind of witches have like a non linear time for like timely. And then Finally, I ended up writing the first draft Bush's. Don't burn would have been the late winter early full of twenty fifteen sounds. Right. And so as your writing was there a way that, you know, because this isn't necessarily, what you went to school for, what did you do to kind of I'll say hone your craft maybe at writing are, how did you kind of get plugged in to whether you want to see the industry are just getting into maybe best practices when it came to exploring? An expanding your craft. Yeah, that's a good question. The very first thing I did kinda hit went to Google and looking, and they ended up pretty sure it was a paid course totally lie on how to revise her novel, of course. And I was like, this is exactly what I need to do to revise, I, but this is great. So I went through that to all of the. The very detailed process of reading your novel and figuring out what you have and what it is you meant to write. And how do you bridge that gap? And that gave me kind of my first Dacian of, like characterization and the promises you make reader and world building that makes sense. So that was really helpful kind of laying the groundwork. And then I will enter talking to other writers, but I found. Dinnertime mentioned earlier. She has a wonderful amount of resources on her books. I and I was telling her kind of as she was first writing those blog posts. So I kind of used that to help hone in on what religion meant to me. I met some key partners. Some of who I'm I'm still in contact with today. The it though the sharing of our work really helpful in getting teeth back. I'm also joined a local writers grew to share chapters. So to try to find everywhere to get information as I could kind of goes back to being a very focused person, and I didn't have the money or time to go back to learn to do this sort of tried to create my own learning environment as much as possible. And so then after putting all that into it and having these other stabs at books you mentioned it already you have your first book, these, which is don't burn, which is out by razor Bill. So let's start talking about this book and give us the synopsis of what this book's about. Yeah. Chevys which is don't burn is about Hannah while she was out lesbian, but she's closeted as a witch in modern day Salem, and things kinda take a turn for the weird and sukey when blood witch in danger territory and starts going after heaven. And so. What was that? Maybe spark, or what kind of got you that initial idea that got you writing this book. Where I think part of it was having a lifetime of reading and watching stuff about which is so that's always sort of maybe percolating, a conscious, but I would just one day mighty my own business. And all of a sudden I had this character, my head, and she was working on the touristy magic, Sean Bensalem and was just irritated about the whole thing because she was real, which, and that was kinda the seed of who is this person? And what is her story, and it kind of snowballed from there until you're much in that? You always, you know, grownup sort of watching, and, you know, experience different medias. It had to do with witches. So what may have been some of those that may have in direct or indirect way influenced this book? Many. I definitely I think the Tiernan book first week, he reads when I was a kid. I think that just really solidified like the love, which is the magic system. Isn't it all the same? But I think what if I became that in Harry Potter, there was no no going back. I was going to be anywhere. Just forever. I think I would have the Laskar vendor also played a big role really got me into the elemental magic, which pinks makes up part of the book goes, it'd be the main ones. I did. I read this any kind of which book and I read twitches when that was for coming out, and those were scholastic like books are books. I remember getting those out anything 'cause I would read. So you mentioned an if I think I'm counting. This is was is your fourth attempt at at a book to get published, or at least complete. So when you look at this one and you compare it to the other three what kind of stands out that this one is the one that ended up kind of coming together and, and working, we'll say. Listening for book that I had written very and I think the thing that made it different when ended up being the one, I think, with the most heart in the most authenticity. And I think part of that was as I was writing all these books, I kept writing books with more and more, your characters in them, and not really knowing one, I and then Louis book, finally, after I'd written the first draft the light bulb went up, and I was like, oh, I live living. That's why I keep reading these books. And so once I had come out and was experiencing life. And I bet my wife, Michelle mauve and, you know, experience lives, as somebody who is longer street changed a lot about what I knew about these characters. And I think infusing that into the book made it much more like authentic and real and also just every books I tried to level up my skills, as far as characterization. Apply. And I think it was the combination of, you know, kind of like getting getting to that point as a writer, where I was reading and all of us feels I need interests, but also has the heart that needed to go on it, too. And. Taking a step back. Was it always sort of when you initially kind of set off to right? Did you always sort of having in mind that you would be writing within the why a space or did it kind of come that, as you were writing the type of stories that you were ended up kind of gravitating towards on the page would end up in just happened to fit back into why? Or was it purposeful that you were writing why? Yeah. It was it was always intentional that I was writing. Why novels only from the first one those are always the books that I loved the most. And I never really because I stopped reading more or less when I meant to Paula JR. And then when I came back to reading, and it was back to why. And I haven't really got too much into it. Delta. Who's always meant to be right from the beginning. And so what through all this, what is your reading life like now as a writer, is it something where you really try to kind of get immersed in other fantasy type stories and just wanna kinda soak in? Maybe what other people are doing their do you try to maybe avoid that? So as not to get to impressionable and you know, fearful that you might end up borrowing too much from someone. Actively drafting in new project, typically, don't read much during that like six to eight week period. Smokey just don't have time because I tried to write as much as I you know, right in the morning, and I go to work come home owner. And there's what time to read so much, so during them, they usually and more going to be doing like industry type pud tax and stuff. But when I'm actually drafting I try to read, I'm trying to read more broadly, in general, but I try to read as many different genres. You know, to top of the fantasy. So I kinda know what's happening in my sphere. But I also branch out to, you know, contemporary around palm and thrillers and try to get his wine of abreast of different genres, mostly within why that just kinda my happy place, though. I am trying to relive it more adult stuff just to, you know, learn from other authors and see what they're doing, but I don't actively ever like a voice something or. I was trying to read broadly. And they thought you to in terms of the authors that I'm reading trying to make sure I mean here, even different voices that I have heard. And as you've been reading widely I'm wondering is there a book that maybe really surprised you as far as you know, because it's not necessarily, maybe a John RIA, or a topic that you would typically, you know read on your own, but Reno really just kind of grabbed you in surprised you with the story and the writing? Yeah. I think probably your three that immediately come to mind. I, I just read this weekend, I red white and Royal blue, which is an ill. Don't wrong calm. And it was so good. I can't even speak intelligently about it yet because it was so good. We're just a characterization was, so deep and the tone and the voice is just so like snappy, and funny to that one I normally don't go for the you don't stuff. But it was amazing. And then that one, I think Casey, Kristen, I think, is the author of that one. And then actually devoiding from was, like, I don't wanna read that it's not really my thing. I don't wanna read that and the girls from everywhere they hide you highlight. I kept putting on my I don't know if I like time travel, I'm sure him like this and turn tastic in totally on my mind. And I was mad that I should. Sooner 'cause it was so good. And then the other one I just read recently with the called once and future, which is the like gender Benz King Arthur in space, so good. Muslim that really like a stays person typically, but it was based was magic. And you know there's a ton of your character. So I was having to give it a try. And again, it was so good. It was so tightly plotted. So those are ones that I probably wouldn't normally pick up but I just loved. And then when you kind of look over the years that you've been writing, you know, actively in kind of purposefully. What do you think maybe is the biggest kind of lesson? You've learned through the whole process. Good question. I think the biggest thing that I've learned or that I'm trying to learn is your patient, and let him books, take the time they need to take. So with my sequel that's supposed to me now in twenty twenty. Was super disaster to write had to write it from scratch board time. And I think a lot of that was because I kept saying, like, well, I don't really know strike to be that was gonna write it figure it out and pushed through and gotta hit my deadlines when they're just get it done. And I think doing that as taught me, you know, you need to allow yourself time to figure out what the story is you can't just force yourself. Look out the words down, and I'm gonna keep going forward when the word part golden right direction. So I think patience has been the thing that I have learned that him continuing to learn. Right. So let's we're gonna wind down. Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions as we do the first one being what is your favorite movie, that's based on a book? Probably the Harry Potter movie. So they're always feel good like going back to those. Okay. But when everybody answers that I always make them, choose, which one maybe all of them is your favorite. That's really hard. Probably prisoner of asking, and I think that's the one where her mind it gets the punch Malfoy the say, so we'll go with that. And then my second, not Harry Potter, one, I think, by more recent one would be left Simon love that movie an episode. Great. Next question is there a book or a series that you're willing to admit you've either never read or never finished? I not finished the rainbows series that one. I started it. And then I just fell off. Good. And then finally, what is the last great book that you've read? I'm going to stay the red white and Royal blue again, I am obsessed with that book. I read it in twenty four hours a guy stayed up late. Got up early. Read it for like six hours about eating taking a lunch break. It was so good, and like most books that kind of like gets into your soul. Mate sucks. All the right heartstrings, and I mean new very happy. Willows. Well, the book is these, which is don't burn and I wish you and the book all the best. Thank you. And that wraps up this episode and I wanna thank Isabel sterling for joining me, again, her book, these witches don't burn is out now. I hope you enjoy that. Summertime is upon us. So if you're looking for books to devour this season, go through the archives, checkout, some of my other conversations with why writers to give you some of those ideas. I'm Brooke Shelley at until next time keep reading.

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Part 3: Senator Tommy Tomlinson, Seth Merrow

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

55:17 min | 1 year ago

Part 3: Senator Tommy Tomlinson, Seth Merrow

"Senator Tomlinson Getting Good Morning Steve. How are you excellent and You know like everybody else you know you hear these headlines ends and Senator Wolf making a big deal about you know saber rattling about taking money from the Development Element Fund I. I would have thought that his his people would understand the way. The Fund is structured. And I very appreciative that That you could maybe educate them in Harrisburg as to what's involved here. Well they just to say AH. I was actually shocked yesterday when he made this announcement I'm a state system graduate. I went to West Chester University. I sit on the board of trustees. He's for West Chester University. We definitely have a problem with our state system There's many things that we need to do to right size that system we used to a hundred and twenty thousand students we have about ninety thousand. Now there's a demographic problem and Pennsylvania but all that being said we need to address that and look at that and work on that to go over to the Horse Racing Fund. Think that two hundred million dollars will fix all those problems we have is just us. It's just not a good idea. I think it's it's it's it's going in the wrong direction It doesn't fix anything. It gives out a scholarship. That's all wonderful wonderful But we have. We have structural problems in our system. We have demographic problems in our system That I'm working very very very hard to address to take two hundred million dollars The Horse Race Development Thought Fun is not the answer and in fact it ignores a whole industry of twenty thousand employees and thirty thousand horses and one hundred thousand acres of preserved land. That has all good things and probably the most. I agree just thing to me is that I have Philadelphia Park Parx Casino in my district and the people that work at the track or my neighbors. There are people that I know in my community. They rely on these jobs. These are jobs. These are real people and just to make a Glib statement that you're going to bet on kids and not horses this she says this is an industry and I don't think the governor really thought this through. I think it's an easy. It's an IT looks like he's trying to fix a problem With with this found money and I think it's it's wrong. I think we're going to work very hard to make sure that this doesn't happen. And any deep money that we've ever redirected as user going back into the industry in some way agriculture to the Back into horse horses and agriculture in some way but not totally shifting away from the industry into an educational problem that we definitely have and I thank the governor for for being aware of it. But he's not working on. Fish does not work on our problem and it just creates another problem in another industry. There's there's a number of things that I want to include as a follow up and I have to mention you say of course Bucks County and the Sixth District Ben. Salem Salem being part of it you grew up in Bensalem oh I grew up in Bensalem and Philadelphia. Park has been a part of my life's about twenty years old Not that I ever went there there early on but But I I mean I ju- When my kids were growing up. I took my kids over to watch the races all the time and many of the people that worked there a great great friends of mine. I mean John Services a dear friend and John was very successful the Smarty Jones. But I didn't even know John worked at the racetrack. I saw him as a a little league coach. I see him at banquets. He was a wonderful father raising his kids. And then I found out what he did. I was you know he was a trainer at the track and we have a lot of people who live in the Ben Salem area who work at that track and it's a vital vital part of my community. I would've never gotten the casinos. She knows if it hadn't been fulfilled park and in front of horse racing and this is one of the things that that it. It's remarkable that that how how quickly or how easily it's been it's been forgotten or or they're trying to make everybody forget there. There is no parx casino which is really the the engine on the train of all the gaming in Pennsylvania There is none if there is no smarty Jones I mean Smarty Jones elevated the profile and it really is is the linchpin to everything that's happened in Pennsylvania and that includes and this is on the thoroughbred side in particular We we also should mention. I think those of us that are focused on thoroughbreds aren't even aware To some degree of the extent of the standard bread side of things in Pennsylvania with with the Harrison listen and down at chester and Pocono downs and and the meadows in Pittsburgh and a breeding community on the standard bread. Red Side of Pennsylvania is essentially Kentucky for standard breads. It's the center irony. Steve is that the governor is from York York. The irony is the governor's from York Pennsylvania and the irony is that probably the largest breeding farm. I think in the world certainly in the country is in Hanover. Shoes In New York. It's the largest breeding farm and and we worked very hard With those with those breeders and the legislators from that area Because that was such an important part of this community and And and that was totally part of the picture If we had if they had an had an I always say I joke about Steve Martin. Jones did more to get the casino in Pennsylvania Than Tommy. Tomlinson did because everybody who got so excited about Smarty Jones and although I had been working on that legislation for several years before that but all of a sudden people recognize how exciting fighting this was and what a great story at was and we brought John up here and his family up here and people met him and and and and of course the Chapman family just wonderful people just absolutely wonderful people so so I mean it was a great community effort. It was a great community. Win that business but if it Delaware the park had not put slot machine Delaware Park and all our good horses went to Delaware Park to get better purses which is literally an hour and a half down the route ninety five They decimated our horse racing industry which gave us the ability to fight even harder to get the slot machines in the race. Just track and of course then Smarty Jones comes on board and and my gosh everybody started smiling and wanting to me. They didn't care about me. They cared about Smarty Jones There's no question about it that these to me and to most people here are just linked. irrevokable vocally horse race horse racing and casinos to me are combined and we can. We can never take that away and and and It I just think the governor has not thought this through. He probably was not well advised on this. He was looking for a solution without raising taxes. He was looking for solution whether it was just money somewhere else. This is just the easy thing to do He thought he thinks we're GONNA make sure that he doesn't realize it's so easy to do but it just looks like Ajit. Here's two hundred million dollars and I'll just put it over here. That'll take care of scholarships. No you just you just affected twenty thousand jobs governor. You know there's there's thirty thousand dollars there's one hundred acres of open space that the more than a I'm sorry. Let's for two hundred acres. There's one hundred thousand Lakers would open space preserved in these areas so it's an essential part of Pennsylvania. Agriculture still wonder larges injuries. And and you can't you can't turn your back on that and we have problems. I would say I thank the governor for recognizing the problems we have in higher education occasion and the state system Thank you governor. But but let's let's go at that leave this other industry loan let this other industry flourish. I mean you can do on the Kentucky. Derby is running you go to Parks Philadelphia Park. It's packed the race. Track is packed. They're there to watch racist Kentucky Derby it's wonderful when we have the Pennsylvania Derby it's packed when you have the preakness Belmont any of those big races instead of staying home people go to the racetrack to what's that what's the ratios It's it's successful. It's very good we're we we. We have a great track and we have a great tradition. And I I. I don't think the governor fought this through or did he realize what he was doing. Well and I I got folsom some numbers in and You know we on a regular basis actually have discussed the last several years we've discussed what's gone on in Pennsylvania and you mentioned the twenty thousand jobs odds over a billion one point five billion annually in terms of of impact. Both direct and trickle down in general sixty billion economic impact yesterday once six eight million plus tax revenue no the economic impact right and then an additional sixty eight million in tax revenues and also I explain lean going back to two thousand seventeen one of the things. I stressed the when I brought up this. You know this story First thing this morning explain what. The motivation vacation was in terms of creating a trust. Because this money is it. The Commonwealth doesn't have any claim to this money. Correct and and I think Steve You gotta go back to the fundamentals of this this. This isn't just money that's thrown. This has earned money as far as I look at this as earned money. I don't think it is it. This is the money that's generated and it's generated in this industry and it's just not money that we bequeath to them. They work for this. I mean they put on a product they put on a race and and they work for this. So this this this is money coming out of gaining. This isn't coming out of taxpayers. It's coming out of gaming. He's not using taxpayers money. He's come over and and Rada Ada gaming money and And that's why it's there is. Because that's was the original intent of doing the casinos for me because I had Philadelphia Park Racetrack formerly keystone racetrack in my district and we wanted to preserve that again. I WANNA go back these the people that work there live in my community. This is this is this. This is personal These people work hard. They've lived there for a long time They have families They they had this economic impact in my community. visited by homes Just I think it's just the governor did not think this through He's just thinks he can shift this money over. And and it has no other at. It has no negative impact. or he doesn't care about the impact and and I do and I think you're gonNA see several legislators standing up and saying hey wait a minute you know. I come from rural Pennsylvania I come from Chester County and I have horse farms and Chester County. YOU'RE GONNA have people say I have casino in my district and I have a racetrack in my district So I think the governor would we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be respectful and go to the governor and other governor that you cannot take these. You're taking other people's money and you're spending it on a very good 'cause on something that we need to address but let doc let's not steal money take money from somebody else to try to. I don't think it solves our structural problem in higher education by just throwing scholarship. Oh Shit money at it we have. We have demographic problems We have we we. We have to look at the entire structure of our state system. And and I'm doing I'm working on that but don't come in and take take my Horse Race Development Fund. Well and you're talking about the sixth district in Bucks County and Ben Salem and then of course in Granville in and around Penn national in era in and around presque her with the meadows chester with Harrah's and Pocono. Okay no downs in in the mountains. So what exactly. What exactly would the governor have to do? I mean because he'd have to change legislation correct or introduced. Well this would take our leaders and legislation to to move this over And and also there's been some rain on this in the past to maybe fifty million dollars in sixty million dollars but again re purposed into agriculture. In some way or other Negotiations This just Layton grabbed the money and run Is just just a terrible idea. The and I'm not sure I am surprised. The governor being from York that he wouldn't have a little bit more appreciation for what for a standard read reading programme program in the largest in the world and the and the economic impact of that It just I think that I'm looking forward to sitting down with the governor and I'm looking looking forward to sitting down with allies here and sitting and working this out and and saying look let's let's these are two separate issues higher education. I'm all in stay out of the Horse Race Development Fund that that deserves to be used for what it's used for its deserves to go into agriculture after reading It's it's a huge industry You can't just tell you you just you just killed an industry and and I don't think the governor understands that and it's going to be our job to make sure he does part of part of the story. I'm sure that we'll be told includes you know how effective effective the merchandising of Pennsylvania as a breeding ground has been. I can only really speak to the thoroughbred side but You know just in the last literally. Since the in the fund was already there was a different a different format per se before the fund was specifically extablished but the monies that were directed toward breeding and racing in Pennsylvania are are only really now finding being you know the end zone with increased number of mayors bread and mayors folding in Pennsylvania and a much higher profile and higher quality quality of of Racehorse being bread that is resulting breeders. Cup Wins and grated steak winds and higher purchase prices At the sales I mean. There's there's real real evidence of of of how successful this has been. And there's you know the introduction of better stallions and and again this is just the thoroughbred side the standard bred. People have a fabulous story to tell of ongoing success so it it feels like there's plenty of ammunition for you and colleagues in the in the House and Senate to you know to fight with How much how much conversation was there in the last twenty four hours among uh-huh among among colleagues Quite a bit Steve. It was a to say it was a shock. It was a shock to say that caught some people off guard caught US off guard. I think like me anyway. But I'm happy to say that I'd seen my colleagues things and heard from my colleagues on both sides of the Aisle Democrats and Republicans who appreciate this industry Stands for has done and we'll continue to do who and the agricultural impact of this is huge in Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania state and we have a lot of rural area and we a lot of agriculture culture. Here and these are the as you mentioned these different tracks around the state. And that's one of the things. I think that we really wanted to keep and maintain is to make. I'm sure that this was an all in one city like Atlantic city and we were in Erie and we're up in the Pocono area. We're down in south eastern Pennsylvania and we're and and these tracks are in central Pennsylvania Penn National We were you know it's all over the state so the impact is spread around and it has great impact packed in these these communities. So I'm encouraged Steve say that I think from both sides of the. I've seen some statements from Democrats that you know. Well you know we know. There's a higher education problem but we don't know about this rating this fun like this and I'm just hoping that the as we speak to the governor all of us is united that he doesn't really quite understand What he just done and he's not been been well advised well as as anyone? Anyone who has has driven the turnpike could tell you Pennsylvania's a very big state as you're driving west or or or companies you. You don't think it's ever GONNA end. This is A. This is a an area that This is a fight that has gone before. And you know. There's there's a lot of ammunition and those that are are in the trenches that breeding horses and buying and selling and training and racing and owning. They'll they'll all behind and undoubtedly Tommy I expect that A settlement will be will be founded and common ground. We'll be found and 'cause there's two there's too many good things that have happened and continue to happen so anything we can communicate. Don't hesitate and I appreciate you and visiting this morning. Well and we can do both things we can do. These things aren't mutually exclusive. We continue to protect the horse racing industry as I started breath. I'm a huge proponent of our state higher education system I'm a graduate of. I'm served trustees. I'm involved in that. We can do both things. But we don't need to destroy Oy eight industry and not really fixed what we need to fix in the state higher education system. Senator Tommy Tomlinson from Bucks County district. Ah Tommy thank you so much and look forward to seeing you at the bill. Pennsylvania Derby Day. There you go. I'll be there I love it. Thank thank you Tommy Tomlinson. Everybody and You know th there's just there's just too many positives associated with what's going on and then what has gone on in Pennsylvania and I I wish I knew more about the harnessed ernest side. You know other than the fact that you know they. They breed twelve hundred thirteen hundred. Sanford breads and and about seven hundred right right now. It's about seven hundred thoroughbreds. But Pennsylvania is is the Kentucky of up Standard Bred Breeding and and Between the you know the meadows and Pocono downs and Chester in a polka erasing. The other part of things with racing runs. You know most not not year round at at presque but you know they run. They run Hundred fifty ray stays at at at Chester Meadows runs close to two hundred days and parks runs year. Round as this pattern I mean there's the Pennsylvania's vital racing state and they they really are advancing things quality stallions that are trickling in opportunity. Landing being there to start his career. can try it out. You know all the numbers you know the the tax tax benefits and the trickle down You Know I. I know that I'm confident. that the the the racing interests will a press their point successfully with the governor in Harrisburg. Let's take a break coming up toward the bottom of the hour. You gotTA check in with Seth Marrow Capital TV and Seth on his way here looking looking forward to to get the mere fact that we wondering if his actually might be traveling. I can't remember. What did he say? Last week we'll find out back after this raises with feedback on Sirius. XM radio developed by horsemen horse. 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Well Sap barrel his Vegas these going to be here tomorrow. And I think Seth Yummy I do. Okay get the game plan is lunchtime. But it's GonNa be Dicey because my flight lease at seven o'clock predicting a couple of inches of snow after midnight. In about seven o'clock they're saying freezing rain and sleep so I have my fingers crossed. Get down to the northwest gay and be. The plane gets off the runway. Okay well that I I heard that there was. I heard that there was some weather concerns and I know I know. Frankly that there from a planning standpoint and and we will have Later today they'll announce the Friday mandatory is up and people are sweating out. You know what we're what we're going to get whether other and if it means what tracks and often surf. Yeah you know on a situation like this weekend with as you say planning mandatory and whatnot That can throw a monkey wrench into things. Certainly but this is an experience a room full of players and so they'll they'll adjust accordingly With tomorrow the last year I had L. Star on the other day tomorrow this a last chance. He's playing in. That are are they in the same ballroom with that kind. Of course. Of course yes. Yeah and you're having last year the first year that you guys came coverage or two years now last year it was the first year last year was the first. So you're going to you. You'll get the benefit of having seen the way it was handled at treasure island and not and you know I don't want I don't want the next five days to be to be a you. Know a series of you know bashing gnashing of of treasure island because that would be unfair Treasure Island was wonderful. Host and the the event more or less outgrew the building and the facilities so instead of having people spread around in the sports book and then last year there was that downstairs room then there was the main ballroom and then the auxiliary auxiliary room instead of having people spread around like that everybody is going to be in this enormous room and that that includes includes is going to be like lounge areas To you know to break away from the tables and you know each of the sponsors and the racetracks that have sponsored the qualifiers all year. They're GONNA have little areas for people to hang out it. People are GONNA be thrilled. And then there's Valley's itself and I never been I. I think actually I have been in here going back to my early trips Vegas when I was with procter and gamble and this goes back and so working on folger's coffee sat and having some events he In Vegas including one at the at the old Las Vegas Elton but I this is an older property. I it's not it's not new but it's beautifully maintained the facilities restaurants CETERA. I think people are going to be delighted with the whole package. Yeah I'm looking forward to it now again. Last year was the first year I enjoyed joy treasure island but it wasn't a little funky with the room downstairs auxiliary Roman. Look you know. We interviewed some people before the contest. And I think the people down in that room. We're kind of feeling like it might be nice to be down here a little bit quieter. Maybe concentrate a little bit easier but then after the weekend was over. It seemed like the people who had been down the exhilarating fell. You are a little little bit out of the loop as compared to being in the main ballroom and so have everybody in the same room and I know last year. Also some of the sponsor tables were out so that they're pulling formats so everything is all in the one area I think it'll be a benefit Looking for I'm looking forward to arriving. Well we're looking forward where to seeing you and we'll get last last year you you were you were. You were showboating so I didn't get you on as much as I as I was you. I know I came over. I came back I was are you took off and it was filling with. I was building golden a little break and I was sick. I I was fighting. I was fighting a cold all week and And I just it's funny. I thought of that They've got they've got this room in fact they've got this room temperature in here has got to be. I don't know fifty five. I'm telling so you can hang meat in here right now. You need to because when the room fills up with people you know that it gets warm. But last year I was legitimately sick. Actually the and So I I did. I do recall getting a good. You know forty five minute break at some point on Saturday I think it came over said Hey I got my own show I worry about I can only I can only come into your. Oh I'm only to cut in so we're only doing the cut and you guys are constant so I salute you. I am looking forward for it. Listen I I mean I you know players come on your show and say just what I'm GonNa say when you listen to you guys on the radio you WANNA be out out there. You WanNA leave the contest. I told you a number of times. It's like the first I time you you did. You think. They radio and a handicapping contest. That go but I want to be there now so happy to see happy to promote it that way and It it does is it does get infectious and there are a lot of people that that from listening to the broadcasts did indeed Start to play in qualifiers and take an interest in and then get here no shortage of those actually so it's Kinda cool and everybody takes a little bit of a different tact. I think and in fact the conversation we had this morning I had a wonderful forty five minutes with with Chris Couples and Chris. Here's a template somebody that was a sports betting and and and fast bedding and now is only playing horses. Yeah and they say listening to this show. It seems like there's a number of people who are the same as I listened and thought I want to go there and as you say jumped into the contest and qualified and that to me is the point of being out there on the front of listening but last year to being out there as well because what I love about. The game is the handicapping puzzle. I love to to kind of when I was a kid. I like the brain appeasers in the adult brain. teasers you sit there and eight or nine or ten times a day you try to solve A A brain teaser on the track. And if you're right you get paid and when you're out there there are three hundred like minded people in there you know. The conversation is a horse racing handicapping and wagering. I think we're all in the situation. I grew up in a family that was not at all horse racing related. They weren't horse racing fans at a buddy in high school. It was a horse racing guy. He kind of pulled me. And so we'd sit and study hall and in High School and and and open up and just pick names out of the the entries in the gazette and and the next day we'd come in and see if our horses one and I kind of got pulled into the game in that fashion so I I pretty much solitary or have been you know. Was this early on in the early years Just kinda rooting. And you didn't have anybody conversation with but you go out there. And they say there are three hundred people you can have the conversation conversation with. And that's that's what the conversation is all weekend long seven and a bigger number two. I mean talking seven hundred and one of the Nice things that at this facility is going to afford friends and family Whether it's Whether you bring a significant others husband wife Girlfriend boyfriend whatever it is and there's going to be. I think a very different atmosphere that we're going to enjoy so I'm looking forward to getting you out here. And let's get a little general conversation in from the weekend the race action and the three year olds dominating and the funny side two point. Oh is is obviously the the you know certainly partly in our region. The Saka Toga team doing it again with Barclay Tag Tis Law. Yeah and that was probably the most impressive performance over the weekend My Jack on Jackson all non ahead of mine on Saturday. I had jack up at Saratoga. After the the maiden win and we were talking a little bit then and and you know mentioning obviously funny sign parallels and they thought being in New York kind of follow the funny side path and make the bond garden sleepy hollow and then try open company this year. But I said to Jack you know in Saratoga. What was the the change up and they just said you know we kinda with training and whatnot? We were looking at options and you know went to the champagne and said so they wind up with a grade. One win and then the I I said since the race I thought that race down in Kentucky which one horse could build up a first time around two turns take off track. There was some traffic problems I thought he could come out of that. With a good education Jacksonian Barklay fell much the same way and so they came into to Saturday and obviously the third place down in Kentucky. They had a little something to proven little redemption and on the far term while you just knew and he he kind of took off and I just I thought he looked fabulous in their hundred fire figures or did you start the three year old season and Saturday morning. Jackson the game plan was GonNa be I think he just you know they did it with funny cide work out well so they were thinking Louisiana Derby and he liked like that this year. It's a mile and three sixty and they were going to look at that and then Sunday morning. I talked with Mike. Welsh and Mike said he was going to A little bit later in the day talk with Barclay Tag and subsequently the article it might put out said maybe now split a little bit between Louisiana Derby and Florida Derby with a win over the track. It wouldn't surprise me to to see them. Stay in Florida but I thought he looked really good. I you know seems like every Derby list that comes out and I I was GonNa have to have him. On top of that performance. It was it was a very very good performance a little bit earlier that interesting side note from the the three year old seen it on Saturday the winner of the swail and the winner of the withers book came out of racist parks but the parks Performers played very well On Saturday and then I'll in southern California and other baffert runner and I don't know if you had to talk about it on the show already but we were sitting in here watching some of the the Santa Anita Races and then Dino are in the control room I was gone by then but he sent me the picture. You given the trophy for the Bob. Lewis what's Bob Baffert three thousand. Win Mr Bic in the the winter circle Handed out the trophy. So we we featured the picture of the net Sunday morning on the show. Oh Nice I swell very kind. It was it was a rather remarkable turn of events because there was really there was no. I didn't think there until that horse of of that. Happy girl who I think was like like three to five. When when she lost the assumption was that she and an bearish? We're GONNA win the second and third races and that he would have the three thousand th wrapped up Before the Lewis he did have a long shot in or a longer. Priced Horse In that maiden race that went as the That went is the fourth. But it hadn't occurred to me then when she lost. I said to myself well. Oil bears should go. Bears looked like she really couldn't lose on paper and I thought holy cow beverage BAFFERT could win is three thousand. I didn't even expect. They asked me. They'd asked me on Friday Would would you present a trophy Saturday. So of course happy to. It's always a great great honor and I never expected it to be the Lewis because typically Jeff Lewis Bob in beverly son is hurt and Jeff Lewis. Couldn't do it on Saturday so when I came in Saturday and I walked by the racing office and Amy said to me is can you do the Lewis said. Oh my God I would be thrilled to do the Lewis in just just present a trophy in in honor of Bob. Lewis's memory is great honor honor and then for for it ended up being three thousand I that I if if people heard me talk about it now for three days because I was so tickled by it and you know they have to have that picture with the with the sign you know your. That's your favorite thing that you love those signs in those in those big cardboard checks that you love those absolutely the big check to the bank. That's somebody walk into it with the bank with the big check but this sign is always a fun site story. 'cause I always wonder how long is the signed. been sitting there and who's taking care to because you have to have it ready once you get to ninety nine in any of those milestones. That sign has to be on the ready so somebody has to be in charge of that side and sometimes thanks guys get stuck for a while but that signed is always gotta be ready to go now. And there's there's some other some other some other milestone Numbers that Some some doors being knocked on But you know three thousand wins and the the funny thing i John White was doing research and John predicted that it was that he had the BAFFERT had over nine hundred wins her disgust yesterday. That had over nine hundred wins as a quarter horse trainer and BAFFERT. Didn't think that I talked to them the week earlier. And I said you know John Thanks. You've got close to one thousand winds on quarters and he said now I don't think so he said seven hundred they'd be eight hundred at the most but John Pretty. I'm I'M GONNA go with John on this nine hundred seventy something. Oh maybe a couple of quarter horses I. I don't think I don't think he's worried. This point about about hitting thousand on the quarter or number. I think he'd be more. That'd be that would be. I suppose. Now I think he'd like to hit double digits in Derby wins. Yeah that that seems that seems more way more likely a Out there because I was watching that the simulcasts and one point and I can't remember what it was but I'm pretty sure Peter Lori said it was eighty eighty degrees out there If it was it was for about ten minutes it it and right now here in Vegas do. It's it's cold as hell don't don't be shy about bringing in a jacket and and sweater it it's called In fact right now. Here's the just looking up at a there's a TV as they work on the TV's it's fifty four degrees here here and it's a little less windy the if you didn't hear the Monday show I mean we. It was scary. What Franken can I dealt with on Monday? Cold was one thing but the you know forty mile an hour. Winds nuts wasn't great I I I certainly haven't been bringing nice A nice weather to the west coast my recent trips. Well I have to admit Vegas with last year was my first time in Vegas altogether. I had no idea what expect with the weather. So I kind of realized you know it's not bombing by any means. No no there. There was one. There was one one year the year. The Tina came when when Tina got stuck here which ended up. Being a hole caused celeb- The we had that crazy snowstorm. Remember Oh sure yeah yeah snowmageddon and we got stuck here for four nights after Monday Tuesday Wednesday and we finally got home Thursday. Okay and that actually. That was the nicest but that's like five years ago. Ever since then there has not been it has not been warm here ever and that I can recall and you don't spend a Lotta time outdoors but it is kind of fun. It is kind of fun to go walk. The Oh you know walked the Strip and go watch. We're very close. We're closer now being valleys to go. Watch the fountains at the Balaj. Oh and speaking of that the Balaj Oh have you seen the plan for the NFL draft. Here they're going to be doing it from inside the fountain. There's going to be all voting. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard of. They're going to be bringing the players out two podiums in the fountain by boat. If you haven't seen you should go go pull up pull up. NFL Draft Vegas and look at at the at the artist rendering of what they're doing it it's going to be the poseidon adventure meets the NFL draft. You're going have I guarantee you there will be some wacky hijinks. This can only this can only go in the drink. It's it's Kooky but it should be. I suppose it'll be entertaining. Well I mean it's just the fact that the NFL draft has now become a thing like the NBA NBA draft have become a thing but they are so. I guess the more festive than Mary. Well the the the draft is notoriously sleep fixed and everyone knows and or as everyone claims at least at least in the NFL draft. You get you get your wild cards are you. Do get your your your moments when the browns take somebody completely ridiculous and throws everything and you know it's a it's a chaos the The ESPN the thirty for thirty. Where they're talking about the elway draft that that's that's a a good? It's Kinda behind the scenes and calls being made who's GonNa Trade for. Oh that was a that was a good one I I haven't I so rarely so rarely watch. ESPN anymore ZAPPA. Couple of. Let's let's round out. You got about five six minutes to to round out We talked what are we talked. We talked Tis the law and and a little California. What about how about Linda Rice jumping in to a To the three-year-old scene. Yeah as I. There's another one that was a previous parks performer. Match player. I E starts with a career down at parts. I have to admit I did not use Max Player in my mix at all on Saturday. I thought Porto's because todd pletcher wwl Derby Trail Kinda races. But he ends up. You know okay third Shots gearhead right underneath and he winds up in Okay Second X.. Claire looked really good. Obviously on Saturday third career start and jumps into a stakes race up the main breaker. So that was you know an impressive performance. It'll be interesting to see how he progresses going on. is He still lately racing. I'm not quite sure what the to make that field exactly obviously You know because they say pistol to me was the most impressive three year old performer On the weekend but any of these were now along the trail at any of these winters are going to have to do what. Maybe we couldn't do last year. And that's it's going to be the interesting part going forward as well last year. That three that early three-year-old Derby trail the prep season. Where somebody what he would step off run big? You'd say oh that's the one. And then the next time they torn a clunker but somebody else who had run big. And so we're we're early enough on the trail now that we are. We are waiting for some of these sources to validate the big performances. tis The law. Obviously off the champagne last year already has kind of validated. The talent he he has displayed. So you know. He's the one that again impressed me on the weekend at the top of my list currently but we'll see how it shakes out for some of these sorts in their next start art. Well that includes the draw going on probably right about now at Tampa and haven't really looked into who how much competition was lined up. And and how big that field is going to be for. The Sam Davis on Saturday but That's the standalone a STANDALONE PREP From a point standpoint this weekend we mentioned yesterday the sand vicinity on Sunday and a lot of excitement. Get Storm the court the two year old champ get him started and Peter Martin very happy with where storm the court is a kind of waiting into the action and on that topic. Actually the two of them safe than I know you are a very active future wager guy and have you had a chance since yesterday afternoon to look at the new faces and I looked at his. Name's I haven't looked at the PCP's yet there was nothing really that jumped out at me. I will tell you I don't think the morning little hole but if the morning light wholes it's at five to two on all other so I'll jump in there because I think it's still early but there was nobody that stood out to me at thirty two one on the morning line now. I think think this'll all change up. It's hard to make the morning line for that So you know by Sunday afternoon. There may be a couple. That'll that'll kind of Pique. My interest and for still little bit more but based on the morning line. I didn't see any single horses but I was really intrigued within the school but as I say I watch on Sunday afternoon then maybe maybe one or two and if that price does hold up on all others you never know I mean physical law I think is going to take a lot of action. And so maybe all others will wind up being a little more attractive than you think but it just seems early enough with that kind of journalist. Well I mentioned at the top of the show. I gave it a rundown and for those that miss that there I thought there at a glance the number that I doubt holes is fifty two one on three technique. Nick because the way he finished against the track in the Smarty Jones that that that caught a lot of people's I and you know the the old the old comment that's who I want out of that race I mean I heard a lot of that Regarding three technique so I think he will end up taking Taking some money that brings that that price down for instance and he is a bit of an unknown quantity in terms of of pedigree given Mr Speaker And certainly league. You know the most prominent Mr Speaker. That's out there right now. Out of a Holland Harlan's holiday mayor and of course my Engelhardt For Bill parcells so you got High profile interest there with with three technique. And then there's then there's the maiden winners SAF that are are are also kind of unknown violent city within Welk's this is a violence Colt that of Spice Down Mayor. So you don't necessarily you know. I had a glance. Think that that the the stretch out is is going to be ideal You also have the recent winner from last weekend in Palm Springs rings fifty to one breaking the second one hundred twenty between the two main breakers. On Saturday Jimmy Churkin's I thought it was the the more Impressive one coming. I thought I had to work a little bit in the second career. Start as a million dollar purchase the being Ontario Bread. You don't know whether that would may wind up in the Queen's Blake. Well certainly can go in. Either you know certainly can go toward couture Turbie in the meantime but didn't know that that race did not come back fast at all. Yeah well that's right. I mean there was a one eleven but I I thought it was more impressed. It was a debut. Palm Springs was the second start. Also so we'll see well and then there is a couple I love. There is a couple of mystery types in here that premier star TAP pitcher Colt Navarro's out of the hold that Tiger Mayor happens to be for two and I'm sure we'll we'll see probably in the fountain of Youth You got you got the first outwit or the Dow the Tagliavini twelve to one four else among the Who else who my girl? At thirty two one instructor I think structure will. I think people will be very intrigued to play a little little structure an unknown quantity on the dirt so far. So we'll see what And also you know earn earns cut. They didn't include royal acting this but Peter also got exalted. Yeah that's that's on the list so I- forgotten about exhausted so earn with three three year olds pretty pretty interesting getting forcible as maybe a little bit interesting. The price enforceable is gonNA start at thirty. Two one as is Governor Morris and Todd told us last week that these are gearing up and and headed to. What did todd tell? Tell me I rely on the I got to rely on listeners. 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The History of Tama Drums with John Palmer

Drum History

1:01:09 hr | 6 months ago

The History of Tama Drums with John Palmer

"Look into the drum history podcast. I'm roast bartenders. E and today. I'm joined by john palmer. Who was the sales strategist from hoshino. Usa john welcome to the show. Thank you very much mark. Good to be here. Yeah man we've been working on this for a while And it's it's just one of those things where sometimes they the stars don't align with with scheduling but But we're here now. And i have had many people reach out. And say hey. You should do tom episode. And i go working on it. Where were it's coming together. so yeah i appreciate it to you. Guys sent me some some books here which are awesome which the history of tomah the story behind the strongest named drums Which i just blew right through because it was so cool. And it's kind of a little you know handy pocket-size book so Yeah how long. Have you worked at tom so pheno. Yeah so Exactly yeah we'll we'll get into time in the relationship certainly Bart in and i've been here in my sixth year. So i started labels twenty fifteen and have been in the industry for for many years so Have a lifetime drummer Big big fan of drops and trump. Just like you and your community. You know really fortunate to you. Know to work for this brand and have had a pretty long career in the industry. So it's just it's great. The people are great and You know kind of leaving the dream so things are good. Yeah yeah tom I know i've said this on the show before it's probably confusing because i'll say this was my first this drum set and this was like i started off with a big old ludwig set but then when i actually you know i worked at a butcher when i was really young like a grocery store. Butcher for a few years. And i saved up and i bought a brand new Thomas star classic cat which i would deem that my first real drum set when i was like twelve or something and That was just the most beautiful. I had it for ever. I actually ended up selling it when i was like. I mean i was probably twenty five or something But beautiful drums. There's something the star classic line in general. Obviously all of the lines are just great but They are so well respected so innovative. I think that's something we'll obviously talk about is just the innovation which were the four. I read the book I didn't really realize how many things tomah invented It's just amazing. Such a cool company. Yeah exactly i think that is the essence of what the time of brand has become an was when it was finding its way You know is the innovation of always look at the product. Say the product is the star. You know for tom and it just the same day. They aren't d. team. You know the the design team. The market research team the which is centered in in japan. They do their students and dune. Incredible exacting job of of finding out. What's happening at a very detailed level in the market and then working to improve any way possible and it's pretty it's pretty impressive to watch the work on the aren t side happened because i think it fuels the the brand. Exactly what it is. it's too. I think it should be said. It's one of those brands. Where kind of like pasty or some of these others. Where there is you hear. People say the name differently. Tom ah just sort of a thing but obviously you're saying tom. That's kind of what i I think i started saying tama is a kid and then i just realized. I think it's tom and just sort of So but we to hear straight from you. It's it's tom correct. So so that was my very first question. My very first day You know formally. And even you know. I started in. I'm in bensalem pennsylvania. Where i work where the yoshino You know distribution center is an office for usa. So i started my first day. And i said okay. Let's just get this question out of the way. How do you pronounce the name. And i was told by a by charlie high ashi comma. And if you if you know a little bit about japanese it's you know that you can say sayonara say tomah inch roll off the tongue each you and so they're not gonna say tama in japan and so when they say tomah. I say tom up tom. But cool. however it's pronounced. I meet a lot of people that say. Tim a hammer timbre. You know all kinds of pronunciations. That are americanizing and fine with me. You know Priced in mind. You know and and you know sale chin and there's so many colorful brand names in the industry so one of them. Yeah that's so true tama. It's that that very america is the mid west. Everything's kind of that tama. It's that got that that feel to it But yeah it's a little draw happening. You know exactly. That's also no worries. If you say tampa tomah termer whatever you say it's alga so So i think bar. Can i jump in. Because we're we're kinda you know hitting the umbrella topics of the brain. And so can i can hit into the history a little bit and kind of review. Please don't because there's there's a great story about why we call our drums tomah and So here's the story so you know in what is hachinoe you know and people like well what is that. So here's the deal So hoshino was established by in one thousand nine hundred eight. In japan family owned business by man named mr yoshito hoshino okay and he had a bookstore in nagoya japan and he sold music books to schools back in one thousand nine hundred eighty so he. He's in kind of the music education business and then he added musical instruments To his business. So that's how he got into the musical instrument business way back in one thousand nine hundred eight His wife was main tomah otieno. There's the brand name and it's it's pretty cool story so tom oceano and she was involved in the business. Well so you know that's a pretty cool story and in a couple of other cool things is so for hoshino. That part of the name means star in no means field. So you put it together. Hoshi star and known feel star field and then we are hoshino. Cocky and gawky means musical instruments so basically Hoshino documents star field of musical instruments. And then the name tomah has it. Hasn't meaning as well and it means plenty fullness so there it is star feel and so what a cool thing is is we have this really natural kind of organic for the brand and for obviously you've mentioned it already star classic in tomah. You don't have to even be a fan. Thomas deserving star right start has star you know when you star everything star. So that's why we do it. It's really super natural naming convention. That just follows legacy. So that's that's an important part of the history That lets people know that you know. We're we're just kinda roots really. Yeah man that's so Beautifully japanese Just to have that that. I didn't know that that really it's cool to think that the the hoshino star field. I mean it really kind of Makes it all it all makes sense then. Yes yeah it really calls it together. Doesn't it bart. Yeah yeah okay. So nineteen o eight unbelievable. I mean this is a hundred and thirteen year old company and that's Unbelievable right so yeah we legacy And and we do it. Also we do. I've been s cars. So i think probably some of your you know Listeners know that but we we on the guitar ran and the thomas drum brand But there seems to be a real close connection with hoshi. No the thomas brad. Because it is you know it's it's the founders wife's name right so there's a huge family legacy and we're still family owned by people named hoshino in those are the brand holders so the legacy of the company for generations long and continues to evolve under the hoshino direction while so cool pretty cool. Yeah all right so then we start off selling you know musical books and everything. Yeah how long did that go before. He got into other musical instruments in the thirties. I think The story goes at that. i know. segovia comes over and and play some classical music in the thirties and it the classical guitar craze in japan went when pretty fervent. So there's interest in people. That can i get a guitar so there was a guitar brand spanish guitar. Graham all itemize no not ivan s in spain. It's called yvonne us so you know that's the guitar in spanish and i. I'm not sure the details but we ended up acquiring the ivanka's brand and everybody calls it either so that was in the thirty s forty. So we we get into musical instruments then and then post world war two. You know this is really. It's quite quite a history company history and how it mir's world history obviously world war two is a major. You know nothing's happening. It's it's you know as far as production of musical instruments And so it's the evolution of the company after world war two and in just as it is the evolution of japan and it really mirrors i think the manufacturing and the evolution of the country post world war two and and otieno is very tied very much a you know a corporate sort of not even corporate. That's a strong word but just a developing manufacturer They took steps like many other manufacturers. Did after all it's so interesting with world war two how it affected so many different industries obviously the drum industry as maybe in the big picture. Kind of you know a small little thing but it definitely rocked the world of drums and everything changed after that right exacerbates the j. phenomenon. That were experiencing. Now you know that all happened back in the sixties and it. I think i think the beatles certainly had an influence said nineteen sixty four head. People want to play drums so we we realized okay. We started a factory in nineteen sixty two in japan to to build. Oem which is original equipment manufacturing and that's basically to supply other brands a product. So we build it. They buy it. They put their name on it. And that happened for a while and sixties The factory in nineteen sixty two was named the thomma factory. But we were not making thomas drums at that point so we were making original equipment manufacturing trump's some of those drums were sold to big box retailers time such as montgomery ward which was got an old school retailer That was a sears competitor. And you would see different brands coming out of the the. Oem factory that were certainly not tomah and then in about one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Thomas realized well. Let's put our own name on the drums. And of course because of the the hoshino name the drums star though that was the first who she branded drum sets starred wants back in sixty seven sixty eight. Wow and you can always typically tell something that's related hoshino because it says world supreme quality correct which kind of neat neat little thing to to know. It's a cool thing. And and absolutely you know the i think the gestalt of of a japanese culture in the sixties was was to to imitate and take the best. You know of anything imitated. Then try to improve on and what a what a formula for success and you can certainly look at you. Know photo photography industry or the bike industry or or you know so many different industries and television industry and then the automobile industry which everybody and i think that is a blueprint to the formula. And certainly i'm not qualified to speak about that but i'm sure there's manufacturing experts in his. You know history experts that can go deep and it's quite a fascinating study but we were just one company that was trying to do that very modestly in the drama industry. Yeah it's so neat to see the And i've talked about with other people where there's there's just something obviously they. They call them stencil drums to as. I'm sure you know where it where it would be like you know. Hey all the kids are buying ludwig and slinger lend. Let's make the drums look like ludwig and slinger land and a lot of them are on very Very close Representations of the throw a rogers throw off or like this. Like i have a hoshino kit and the badge from from ten feet away. It's like that a slinger land set. Oh no it's not you know so just that sort of Just it's just very interesting. And i think a lot of it. I've talked with people before about it. Where a lot of it is. Because it's the japanese market. It was like the american brands weren't really gonna. Who are they gonna go after to say. Hey quit using our style also Not that it's i guess. There is some legality. But i've run into that too with european brands. where like the turret lug. You know the george way. Turret lug where Hayman drums was using it. And it's like once you go across the ocean. There's there's not as much it's sort of. It's different with copyright and all its. I mean it depends. Where where are you file pat. And so sometimes it's just usa only sometimes now obviously with globalization the host those intellectual properties. very sensitive and more far-reaching. And and certainly you know. China is Become a major in a source of of recognition and and a lot of attention to that. So is an even the thomas brand name. Is that a brand name. This registered in in europe and asia and africa really every continent. because you have to register it Or it to be protected. So it's it's a lot of money to protect the brand integrity globally So that's ya you see certain pockets of things that maybe aren't protected. And you know then you gotta go after it and then you've got to recognize so that's that's another discussion about the business you know legal part in and i'm again not an expert on that but i haven't the iras but that's a fascinating topic. I think you should get a patent attorney or copyright attorney on at some point and and have that discussion to this pretty fascinating topic. I think it is. And it's just. I i've learned with my wife is an attorney and there's so many like i would bring that up to her. I would bring something up about you. Know whatever intellectual property or something and it's like it's like speaking different language because it's so many different you know i guess you'd call verticals of law that it'd be like it's not what they do you need to find. I just think that's interesting with law. It's like oh no no no. I'm a elder care law lawyer or i'm an estate lawyer so even to a lawyer. That stuff is confusing. If it's not the right field that they're in. So i. I imagined for for a drum company or whoever it gets a little a little hairy To to they've three rejected. You know i. I mean every brand goes through that and they have you know the teams to to work on that stuff dedicated. We're just. I mean the industry. The drum industry is the perception. Is those big drug companies. It's not that big you know at know. We're not that big of a business. We're just. We're just kind of a humble. You know just some dude who yeah. Of course we're know into business and functionality of business but you know it's not a it's not like heavy corporate you know beatings and you know. Starting the shirts isn't that gone here. You know we're just we're just trying to build a product that that is inspires people in. Its that in the entire drum industries like that. You know what you see you meet people at now. Know the the guys from the other brands. They're all cool dudes and it's a cool little community you know just like the. The people were not in the industry of a play the product and you know we go to retail stores. You know certainly non cova times. It's there's a flow that happens and there's sort of a gentle five that permeates in the the industry and that's one of the beautiful parts of the industry. You know it just like yourself you know. You're you're laid back dude you know we're we're we're going to get there and everything's gonna be cool and you know i did that. Yeah i agree completely. I mean. I learned not on other episodes with like like vic. Firth for example. I was like you guys are huge. And he was like well. There's like seven of us here and you're vic firth obviously there's more distribution and all that but it's just it's cool to know that and it kind of has it's obviously it has its roots back to being a smaller kind of scrappy company But you know it. Tomah is one of those brands that i think you know this but so with the a the made in japan the stencil stuff i mean it rocked the world of The american brands. And i think we're gonna be approaching that air that area of like when when when star became actually tom but It's just you can't underestimate how. Like i would imagine people here in america were like. We're like oh whatever. Let them do their thing. You know it's not that big of a deal. Let them have the beginner. Drum market these cheapo kits. I don't think people may be realized at that. Point how like disruptive to us like a modern you know Yeah buzzword i. It was when these these. I brands which there were a few of them. In addition to hoshino star obviously star but I hear about it in every episode where people go. Oh man we got killed in the seventies and eighties because the japanese brands came out again. It's so again it'll just a microcosm of a larger economic shift and again look at any any industry and you know. O'brien like sony panasonic or sheba. You know there's so many Good japanese brands that that you know very much mirrored our company history. And and you're right you know if you're if you're a dominant american drum brand at that time you know there weren't many right because there just weren't that many and here come these other guys that are making aulia. It's okay products but the price was really good. So there's a. There's an economic benefit to the product. Now where the drums. As hardy and sturdy and robust as the american counterpart at that time maybe not at that time really fascinating study is how quickly evolved and you know changes were made very fast to manufacturing in and feedback was was gathered very quickly and it goes back to the market research in intensive market research. Study one of the cool things so so you're right so we're moving into now but trauma you know. We're moving out of the sixty s and getting into seventies and and so what. What year was that. So we know so sixty seven. It became star that cigarette six. So we're doing star and sixty seven sixty eight up until nineteen seventy four thousand nine hundred seventy four. That is when tomah. The tom brand was i put onto a drop set. So nineteen seventy thomas. More ochre cool. Yeah so so there you go and then at that point. I think there was realization that the brand had to evolve in end. Couldn't just be a house brand. Tom brand without some improvements so improvements were already happening at that time as far as hardware and and the shell and you know just just things just got better. And they quickly. After that launched there was a lot one of the cool things about about the hoshino company. And certainly the the the drum side thomas side. It's is the people working on projects in at in talking. Rnd people. I'm talking salespeople market research. People nobody i think or maybe very few were really drummers and so there was a beautiful humility and study to the market That was done because there was no arrogance of. Hey i know drummers. Because i'm drummer. And that's a big deal for us. And i believe was really a very objective way to move forward based on informed comments by artists and informed comments by retailers and we listened really closely at without the preconception of we know best and that that's a huge benefit to us. Yeah you gotta. There's there's that whole like well. We do it this way because we do it this way. Kind of with With any industry but like god. That's so that makes so much sense but it makes it. You got to put yourself into that mad at that point of view then of like it interesting that like guys were working on this and inventing us and japanese culture is very like forward thinking and efficient but to be working and building drums for something. If you're not a drummer it's It's really interesting. I remember on the noble and cooley episode Like the the jones the to diet that the father and son work. There aren't drummers. And it's sort of. I was blown away by that so i need to like become more like everyone. Everyone's not a drummer in the world of music. You know yeah. I think it's rare. Drug companies are permeated with drummer. But you know that's interesting noble and cool the yeah. I mean some of his just we manufactured so we can make a around you know would object or you know a cylinder and and we can put some hardware is so why not make a drum you know. Yeah some of the But yeah i think the the humble predispo- predisposition of not knowing there was a big study and you know in in in that that spirit continues in the company today You know. And i i you know. Sometimes i think i know you know the direction so we sleep because i've been in the industry but but oftentimes I just sit back and watch and wait and then you know there's there's maybe a new perspective that's introduced that i had considered and that's due to just being super objective and asking a lot of questions. Yeah i mean you can't it. It seems like thomas had a period where they were the ones pushing forward with everything but as as you know. We live in a modern time. You can't be like we're the only ones who are going to progress but when other brands do come in and it's sort of like a like we're going to like you know brand a build on what tom did and then brand b.'s. Going to build on what brand did and it's just gonna keep getting better and better and better and better. And i think that's sort of how the world works of yak otherwise we'd be sitting around driving model as and horse norstrom buggies if we didn't keep pushing forward with technology obvious that's a car example but there's a parallel out for sure. I think he. Yeah you nailed it. Art arkansas Societies or societies are built on. Continue to prove right in innovation. Yeah i we you know. We didn't invent it. We just looked at it. Said how do we improve it. Yeah so some of the things is so maybe some of the cool things that That we did bring into the market. They were not. there is a boom stamp. And you know we didn't know the drummer's needed to have their symbols closer to them and drum set sizes for evolving and they couldn't get a stand close but we asked people in somebody so there was a visit in and we do a lot of market research and they're fun trips and we go around and visit informed the informed trump community And we ask a lot of questions and one. So that happened back in the seventies and there was a content contingency of japanese headquartered guys came over and and did a market research trip went to a sam ash store in new york. And someone said hey. Can you make a stand because apparently that the story is people were duck taping. Mike boom arms onto onto stands and the spending symbols because they needed their simple closer. So that's a problem solved right so our engineers are like. Yeah we can do that. And we made a boom stan The the nylon sleeve inserts that are going between of the pipe clamps on a symbol stand. It was metal to metal metal. The metal in that had trouble so an engineer came up with let i may. I mean look at this analyzing try to figure out a better way so we made the first nylon sleeve that goes inside. The height adjustment collars. So there's there's some cool things and that's and of course we're we're not the only company to innovate and so you're right. We look we see we. How can we do it better. And other companies do the same with us and who benefits the drummer's. Yeah there are scenarios. Were straight stand is obviously really cool and it can work especially like you know for your ride if you can get low enough and gonna tucked in there. But i mean growing up. I remember this one crappy little tiny toy almost straight stand. It is the worst thing when you can't get the symbol in close and talking legs things falling over so exactly. That's a big one. Yeah that's a cool. Yeah are we at the point to where obviously i mean. Can't talk about tom. Without talking about billy cobham which i think was sort of in this it definitely this round. Yeah right yeah is a few right. So billy cobham was huge impact and you know again is so funny. I think back. Because i i grew up in the seventies and So this was all like role direct stuff for me. But i have to remember my age and there's a lot of listeners. Who are like billy cobham. Who's that So my recommendation is. Check them out He he. He was blowing people's minds. You know he was like the original gospel chops. Sort of drummer. Yeah in the seventies and he was doing things on the trump set that just were not done before Of course he was standing on people's shoulders and he took tony williamson ginger baker and kinda did his own thing and it's a beautiful thing so check him out And he was a big iconic drumming industry. And thomas signed him. I think around nineteen seventy seven and yes. That was a big marketing exposure. Impact for thomas drums so we realized artists were key now. Apparently the how it happened was he was just wandering around a namm show. I think it was houston at that time. And he just saw some things at tomah was doing from a product standpoint and he was open to checking out certainly ideas in ways to improve his plan so there was an again organic interest to the products. And that's what led billy to us. And he was huge for us. We also around that time at lenny. White who was another outfielder fusion guy and then stewart copeland goes way back to like nineteen seventy five or seventy four when he renewed atomic drum said or a british a british music publication and. He was doing reviews and he was sad. He's like easter cool and so he became. He might be our earliest Like signature artists. I believe is stored cool. He's been with us a long long time. And then simon phillips also In the late seventies was another icon. Who joined thomas. Oh you know we had some pretty killer. Artists early on. That enjoyed the branded. Enjoy the sound and is really interesting for me growing up there because i of course i know the american brands and then i see the three primary japanese brands wrapping trauma. Parole in yamaha. Kind of come onto the scene. And i was like what's what's up with these and then i start checking out and again good quality. Sound good in prices very competitive. So what's not to like him more modern to like. I love the you know. I love the american l. of all the brands. But but there's something about the japanese stuff which seemed like Almost like a scrapping. Swear like you had to innovate to to compete. So you better be coming up with the most You know innovative things possible. And and i also want to say that. With simon phillips you get him wearing tomah leggings In his instructional eighth which is like that's devotion they. Yeah it's so it's again. It's so beautiful industry and and the connection it. We're so lucky. Like maybe not lucky but we just maybe were just inciteful and we appreciate the connection of of music in life and the expression of our inner selves through music. And that's so personal. You know in and the people who were him into the brands that they play in its any brand. You know i i love. There's a personal connection to the brands. I love it. I do too and there is a serious personal connection to the brand i mean and maybe that's a good time for me to give give shot out. There is a guy named johnny martin who shot me a message like a week ago. Which is perfect timing. Because we're doing this but just talking about how much he loves tomah and I just want to say that. Because there's there's obviously this. In many brands there are these groups of people who are so beyond passionate that it's just like It's i mean like i. I use the word obsession in a great way. Because obviously we're all obsessed with the drums but But i i don't think it should be. You know skimmed over that. There is a very passionate group of collectors and enthusiasts with tom but also with every brand i mean god. It's mainly you know you look at facebook at the rogers guys. There's camco guys. There's everything you could ever imagine. So i just totally ruth what you're saying very very very very passionate People here and thomas has a great which you know. You're doing something right. If you've got people who who from the beginning love what you do. I think it's it's a testament to the company. Yeah but yeah thanks Yeah i think the industry is full of that and you know a cool thing about our again. Our our instrument category drums and percussion cymbals is is products age. Well and it's it's so cool to be able to play a vintage kit from the fifties sixties seventies eighties and just feel like it's like got some personality you know and it's useful. It's not like a an atari game or a computer you know from one thousand nine hundred eighty six. It's yeah it's novel. It's cute but i would never use it. No you know we can take these drums out. Rehavam makeup sound awesome and and explorer personalities through the instrument. And that's just beautiful thing. I love hearing too. I love stewart copeland. So it's neat to hear the he was kind of the first guy i mean. You always think billy cobham. But it's like of course stewart copeland he he's just you know. And that's that's where there's kids in the front row and they're looking at this drumhead for an hour of a concert or on tv. And it says tom on boom. Yeah yeah that's is is a nice it. Nope unintended good impact. Yeah big time art. So let's for the second time. Let's push forward here. So we're in the seventies obviously very innovative time. Thomas like you know really making the big companies kind of shake in their boots and be be noticed So take away from okay. So yeah i mean it's just continues. Basically the messages is a blueprint has been written. I think as far as innovation and looking at what can we do better so we realized drums are the sound of drums are important and we get into the crest stars in the art stars and and try to do some things different sonically Certainly we've come up to this point a lot of birch most. i think it's mostly birch. And then we get into our to. And that's the first maple kit Bigger kits bigger sizes again listening to the drumming community. Amplification is getting louder and we need to have stronger drops a stronger sound so we just very humbly listened and realize we gotta produce a larger sound and and die cast. Hoops were instituted and longer. Tom's instituted and and the metal market responded. Yeah yeah and I mean. I don't get ahead of myself but obviously you said longer. Toms and it made me think of the The octa bonds which are kind of just a They're about as iconic of you know just a an innovation that that came out as anything else in the dreamworld. When was that you know in the seventies. And i actually now that you mention it. I believe that is the product that billy common was inspired to see at the namm. Show in the seventies. Seventy seven in houston. There was like secretive. Here's this little product in a apparently it was you know site booth or some thing that was not on the floor and he saw those octa bonds and he's like yes melodic very cool So that happened in in. Like seventy seven ish. Yeah and those obviously became important for him. Import for stewart copeland simon. All the key guys that were playing at these beautifully tuned autobahns so that was then and Yeah the based on thing. That billy's like come over determined. You gotta make me a gong bass drum so we did that so you can't just sorta following the artists leads. They're telling us what to invent sometimes and that we've been it then we improve it now a gong bass drum. Maybe we just pause for a sec. I've i've seen them many times. Obviously you know on stages and you see some of them. The the the mega drummers use them but for just an average guy. you don't typically go. hey i'm gonna run out right now and by gong based on and just throw it on my four piece So the technology though is basically it's a normal bass drum that's mounted typically no bottom head right and then the top head is bigger than the shell and it has like tiffany head. Yeah okay that's cool. Yeah this is like this when you know back in the seventies and eighties when let's go bigger. Yeah let's let's add another drum so again you haven't checked out billy cobb. Just check them out and you'll see some incredible gone drought stuff app it. They're amazing It's so cool all right well now if we're getting into the eighties i wanna make sure we talk about and again johnny martin. Who's the big collector kind of sent me a list of stuff like make sure you talk about this. We've talked about previously on the. I did a five thousand episode. But i wanna make sure we talked about with camco and the buying of the rights with d-w and how did that work with camco. What's the deal with the so. Okay so I know bits and pieces. I wasn't wasn't with the company then and so that happened in like seventy seven. I believe late. Seventy seven seventy eight and There was an opportunity to purchase part of camco. Like brand so as what eventually happened. Is w got the rights to the turret lug and tommy got rights to. I don't know all the hardware but certainly the camco pedal Which was a leather strap drive at the time and then we realized we you know that that part was wearing out. Let's make it into a sprocket drive in so we made the camco tomah at all with the sprocket So that was you know. Seventy seven seventy eight so we still own camco name. The brand name and d-w still owns the design for the turret loud. And i think it served both companies really well so that's where it sits and yeah so it's pretty cool to you know. Have that So that's that part. And what what else with johnny what. What are some other top so He just said basically in eighty five and again this is. I just love that. This is coming from a diehard collector. Who you know. These are some some things he just wants to talk about. So in eighty five shenault. Usa made custom shop in bensalem bench on sale. Now where you are so It's the to his knowledge. He said it's the first time a company offered custom paint jobs to the public. I don't know if there's if that's you know a fact. We did do some assembly here. Actually when when we to rewind back to the camco era we change the badge a little bit. Put like a camco hoshi no badge together and we did trump production here in bensalem form. Maybe seventy eight seventy nine to nineteen eighty-three So we kind of had some production here a with assembly and finishes so we. We were set up for that. And then i as far as the mid eighties go and doing customize things yeah we did some. We did some things. But i don't have a very detailed knowledge about what we have what we were capable of doing. So that part. I'm going to sort of You know just really say. I'm not an expert. Yeah that's fine. And i i mean let's just throw it out there that maybe that's something that happened but you gotta be careful with saying who was first because there's always there's there's there's frequently someone goes well. No actually six days earlier you know pearl is doing or something like you can't be too Speed but that's a few. Yeah all right so then eighties. That's all he's got for the eighties but it's to me that it's even more of like tom. I just you know powering through and becoming more of a powerhouse and even more of i mean you kind of think of the eighties. As like maybe not so much with ludwig but like i think slinger land and i know that slinger lin went through and made amazing drums for a long time. Saying that for this guys and girls out there but But really you think of like slinger sling sort of being really in trouble and thomas and the japanese brands. just you know shooting to the moon To use a star or kind of space that that had to be a massive time of growth for the company. Yeah i absolutely an acoustic drums were flourishing during that time at larger sets double bass. Kids have heavier louder. More rock-solid bigger stronger so tarmo was absolutely at the forefront of that and our market perception was the super rock-solid rate sounding drums center. that are very sturdy. so it's it's certainly fit the times And our hardware developments. Were doing well in iron cobra. paddle was being Certainly you evolving at that point so wasser. Cool things and yeah we. We had a great run and and you know products. Asian products were still kind of getting refined as far as the bill quality and the price value. And i think there were some big improvements there that allowed drummers to say. That's a really nice sounding kit That i can afford. And i think i'm gonna buy that because it feels good. It looks good. It sounds good. Looks durable and it's great value. So yeah. I mean so many drummers part. I'm sure you do everybody's like oh. Yeah i had a swing star kit nam. Exactly that in my first kid was a rockstar. I hear that all the time and much like you know the pearl export kits and they're just you know. Certainly there were pearl in tomah. entry level. Kids were allowing drummers to enter their drumming a spirit class basically are their path. You had a really really good price point. Yeah in the real drums. They're not. You know the macy's catalog drum set that Is sort of a a toy. These are more real deal. Yeah absolutely real. Yeah the rock stars in the swing stars and stuff are to this day. Obviously very very very good Not even begin her. Because i feel like with any drum set like that you can throw good on him and make it sound great. So they're not they're not a toy. There's nothing to be like. You know not ashamed of but you know what i mean. There's nothing to be kind of like this is just my beginner. Sat like you can use these things for a long question. A huge value. You know in. I see him all the time You know on on reverve or facebook marketplace or wherever and yeah drums you know you you get a nice kit us kit You know to fifty two hundred exactly like you said he put new heads on their tone is great and you mentioned the iron cobra. Which i've that was. Probably my first real deal bass drum pedal that i got was myron cobra which i still have still love I it's obvious. I have a double pedal. But i i think i basically just use it as a single because i haven't done as much double drumming Double bass drumming in the last couple years but it such a good paddle. I mean there was just something about our was like buying it for the first time which you know obviously no double bass drum pedal or in a single pedals. A different story. But they're not cheap. Any double pedal you got is not cheap. So just mind. It was like whoa. This is the real deal and it just is such a cool design. I just love the the name. Iron cobra is in itself a such a cool thing which now that i think about. It is kind of a departure from the space theme. Yeah yeah for sure. You're right and yes. Some of our hardware is i. Share thrones of road fra stands so the star naming More on the side than the hardware but that was a marketing decision Again preceded me by by a long shot. But it is. It's just form follows function and were able to with connecting rod and any secondary pedal on the left side with a connecting rod. Put beaters into the single frame. And that was our big breakthrough because there were there was another company In on the west coast real big company to letters. I think you know y- yeah so they were you know they're super good innovation too and and you know much respect to and they were using i think they had created a double pedal but it was the second peter was not inside the single frame so when that happened that change the feel To something that was more realistic and expressive. Yeah and i have to say. I think that was the five thousand two invented by duane livingston whose actually on facebook and is just like a super nice guy And which is just so cool to be like. It's just a a drummer like us. Who came up with that. Yeah design and drums is filled with people ever just just dudes just innovating exactly. Yeah that's the coolest part but All right so then. Wh- what is our so like we're an eighties getting into the nineties. Maybe we take a second here and just talk about some of the lines. That are out Because then this is getting into more like you know modern era of drum so there would be like mitt. You take it away but you know what's the lowest to the highest. They had On the market then as far as the range of of drums well so star classic was Was born in nineteen ninety four. So that's the kit. You have an and that. That was our high end kit At that time and going through The star classic performer than was also developed. And that's with birch shells The wanna save rockstar kit in with with different orientations finish orientations and then swing star And imperial star so that basically was what we were looking at and then obviously out of star classic so much kind of flowered out of that star classic bingo start star classic but binga And now we have star classic walnut birch and a brand new series star classic performer. Which is maple and birch. So that's that's new for twenty twenty one so you know there's a lot there and then in Two thousand and thirteen. We launched the star series. Which are handmade. In japan at our japanese a kaczynski factory and that's the epitome of our high end. So that's star the bingo and star maple and star walnut drowns out of there so cool. That's kinda words sits and they're just really really gorgeous instrument so it it's it's cool for us to have that and we did then also in that time period watch of development on snare drums star phonic snare drums the artist's signature palette and then Sap nurham so that as you said it's sort of the modern product offering so from that side of things That's really that's worth things. Were you know where we are now. We also superstar in the line back As a name different than that. The original superstar drums that were from the late seventies and eighties But yeah yeah now. What is the deal with s. l. p. which stands for sound lab project. What is the What's the story with that. because i've played some. I think i played a kit at At pesach locked year or the year. Before i've lost track of when things were normal Listen to a twenty nineteen. I think it was nineteen. Yeah so but they're just awesome like so what is what is the sound lab. So that's exactly what it is it so it's evolved from our snared grounds which the concept of snags to develop snare drums. That were each unique and different. Not so conventional the way like. Here's your brass six and a half and your brass five and a half in your brass five You know five by fourteen or whatever it. Here's your steel and here's your would. That's really the traditional way that snare drums have been offered in the market. So the concept that thomas came up with Was to create kind of teak differentiated snare. Drums each have a different voice within the sap so one might be brass might be aluminum. One might be maple one might be walnut and they're super accessible price points at each have a unique sonic personality. That's cool and you know jumping around here. I'm just looking through the website. The tomah website. And i just think that there's a a a a heritage of like. I think things got a little far out in the sixties and seventies which i love with with the finishes. But they're still very cool finishes to the thomas drums I'm just looking. There's like you know a beautiful green kit. They're they're very unique. And i say you know the sixties and seventies if anyone looks at those kits they are just like there are some the sat flames and stop. It was very which will be cool. They brought you know that stuff back but that being said you guys have very unique and beautiful finishes. And i think i saw online of video of someone doing. Gosh what was it. It's almost you're gonna know right away the name of it. It's like red kind of like like streak it lacquer oyster and then there was a video of them creating that and it was not just print out you know rap and throw it on. It was like hands hunted. Yeah that's that's part of the So our our factory. It gets in the manufacturing stuff so we manufacturer star in in japan and then a most other drums are coming from our. Tom owned factory in in china. Which we started in about two thousand or two thousand three So that's our own factory that we own and we develop our our projects and products and then take that information and then go implemented in china so we have our our painters. There are really skilled and they hand paint shells. And that's what you're seeing that's what's creating now beautiful lacquer oyster finishes that were for able to offer within our our star classic line that are super just super compelling and different and interesting and intricate and really good price points. I mean it's kind of it's kind of incredible so there was a When i was in high school i worked at guitar center. And there was a There is a pink sparkle boo. Ingot there that I would just sit on and play. Because i mean that was sort of the downfall of like retail stores where minus people dropping their their kids off to be babysat by a drum set. And then they'd go over to. You know whatever stores next door. I would just be sitting there a lot and those drums the boo bingo line. I remember Just when i got there it was just a slight holy grail of drum set. There's something about it was just so like the present and it just felt like honestly one of the most out of all the drums felt like one of the most professional high end drum sets. I've i've ever played at that point. said the the. What is boo. bingo. I know it's obviously a type of wood. But maybe a little little informed that yeah so Yeah awesome so we were. Somehow the company associated most with binga Yeah it is a type of wood comes from leave africa and we we just started using it and implementing it and then realize it had super deep low tonal qualities to it and making trump set out the bingo just created different sonic imprint of drum set and rich and fat low end They do sound also. I remember when those came out. And in i've checked out a kid and i'm like i i'd never heard of based on sound like that super dense present But with this huge rich low end. So that's something that you know. We cultivated a lot and we still offer bank on the star line It has been removed on the star classic line. Due to the site he's Trade restrictions of danger woods even though the woods sourcing that we use is is cultivated wooden farmed wooded sustainable It's just to get the clearance of would all the different processes that you have to do to get substantiated cleared. It's just it's it's a big administrative hurdle so we decided that we're gonna move away from that and at the same time it had been in the line for quite a long time. So that's why we now have. Walnut birch and maple birch and Different drums that do different things. Sonically 'cause you know we always have to keep things fresh so it's kind of a. It was a timely issue and also kind of forced our hand due to the the trade restrictions of danger woods. So yeah yeah sure man you saying keeping it fresh just looking on the website. Basically on on every kit you click on. There's just some like little innovative detail where it's not really changed since the seventies where it's still just this. I'm just really running forward fast with with innovative Ideas and things to keep it interesting especially with the hardware. Obviously the drums are beautiful. But just a little like t tales. I mean you know. Diaz star gas so stark system is to me the most beautiful and then in the most useful suspension system in the market Because it's it's suspended. We don't touch any rods. It's all done through the hoop and who pays extra holes to suspend the drum so as far as an interest the weights it's designed. There's no stress on the shell There's really no stress on the hoops. The trump stay in tune they resonate fully in. It looks incredible such an integrated in lovely silky smooth sexy setup. It just looks incredible and i. I've been a longtime admirers of the star cast system And just really really appreciate that design. Yeah man that's so cool so all right as we wrap up here Is there anything i know. The world is kind of upside down right now and things are a little slow down but is there anything that You know the tom diehard fans can be looking forward to in the future. The maybe when i talk about here or anything like that. Yeah okay so yeah. This interesting Your podcast is gonna live on forever so so this is This is for the record. Were in the kobe. Sorta code veroni. Twenty-one yep so what was that read all about it kids here we are but yeah It's been a challenging time to product develop because we just because we haven't been able to travel and are in d. team can't go to our all of our factories and go to Our chinese factory and checkout sample. So it definitely is hurt the flow of our development but at the same time. It's allowed us to sort of work closer together. And as i mentioned earlier we do have a new Star classic performance series that is at the easiest entry price point for star classic at its there in birch shells and the sound fantastic. It looked fantastic. And that's brand new for twenty twenty one so feel free to check that out. There's information on the web now and we just we continue to evolve our our product lines. And you're always going to see new things from tomor. It's part of our dna and it's part of what we do as a company due to keep innovating and at an ethos of our of our company is to continue to innovate and bring fresh things in the market. Because we feel that it drummers wanted they look forward to it and we're just feeding the curiosity so that's what we're going to keep doing that's awesome well Everyone can find tom. Obviously just by. You know googling it or to tom. Dot com t. a. m. a. dot com I think to this day still. Tom is the the strongest name and drums as they as they. The the slogan says. I think that's very You know well earned and you guys continue to push forward and And i i always try and be unbiased with everything. But i do really like tom and i think they're great drums. And have you know kind of one of my. Like i said my you know it was a great drum set to buy and i loved it and it was just amazing to have that star classic kid as a kid so Yeah we're yeah. We're fans of the industry. You know we love watching In the with the other brands do and you know it's it's it's a friendly competition for sure But you know the industry is exciting and you know innovation happens in obvious places in not obvious places. So it's fun to keep up But yeah were humbled and we're just going to try to do our thing. And keep bringing product into the market that lanes fires. And you know as as you said. It's just you know you're the drummer out there. And you're the ones expressing so you know what is it that we can do to help express that's really are. That's what we do. And before we i want so i have this. Awesome little history of tom. Book that they you guys sent over. And i'm going to give a shot because i talked on the phone very i would say lovely man is a good way to put a very nice guy on a thank you to mitsuaki shimada or i think his friends call mike for just kind of really. We talked on the phone for a yo and he was at the post office trying to send me a book but there was a storm in. Get it over to me and Just he had the great idea. I've made the mistake before of I made a call someone in germany and i ended up having one hundred and fifty dollar phone bill where mike was smart enough to say. Let's do it over. You know facebook zoom. I'm like you know you only you only learn from your mistakes. You know and Just a little fun side out there. But thank you to. Mike and mike ex had a long career important career with tom All those stories that we talked about from the seventies and eighties mike was at the forefront of all of that so He was you know huge guy for the brand. And i say was because he. He recently retired And gave his life to the brand. And i appreciate. You appreciating him because it's people like my you know that that you know it's the collective benefit that of their works that that brings it all to motion so shout absolutely shut out to mike so our and if you're listening to this John and i are going to do a quick. Probably ten minute extra little conversation about some other thomas stuff i have a couple of smaller kind of maybe not so Drum related questions. I wanna talk about the ventures and the electric guitar. You know fad. That went through japan which i thought was fascinating in this book. But so if you want to hear that. Little bonus conversation head over to Patriot dot com slash drum history. Podcast and you can pay two bucks or whatever and joined the patriot lan and get these weekly bonus episodes so On that note john. I want to thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your You know vast knowledge and passionate love for tomah with me and the listeners. Thanks for having me barn. Glad we could connect us up and Really enjoyed talking about in the thing. We love talking about so. Thank you if you like this. Podcast find me on social media at drum history. Please share rate and leave a review and let me know topics that you would like to learn about the future until next time. Keep on learning.

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Supply chain security. New cyberespionage from OceanLotus. Data breaches expose customer information. And GCHQ has had quite enough of this vaccine nonsense, thank you very much.

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Supply chain security. New cyberespionage from OceanLotus. Data breaches expose customer information. And GCHQ has had quite enough of this vaccine nonsense, thank you very much.

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The alert warned that unknown actors had exploited insecurity configured instances of the sonar cube code review tool to steal source code from companies and government agencies zd net summarizes the research into and remediation of the issue while the industry has been rife with warnings of the ways in which mongo db and elastic search. Databases can be left exposed. The comparable problem of exposing sonar cube was often overlooked but the consequences of an unsecured sonar cube instance are significant for the software supply chain since the tool is used in checking code during development. The typical problem is that organizations using sonar cube have left in place default configurations on port nine thousand and default admin credentials. Those default credentials our admin admin that ought to be a red flag for everyone. Adleman admin is about as good as username password. 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Rumor control effort but operates against state directed. Disinformation only according to reuters g. C. h. q. Is taking down hostile state-linked content and disrupting the communications of the cyber actors responsible. The campaign against which g. c. h. efforts are directed is russian engineering and technology reports. The week suggests the motive for the disinformation is at least partly commercial since russia is interested in seeing widespread adoption of two vaccines developed in that country. The disinformation is directed against a covid. Nineteen vaccine developed in the uk by astra zeneca an oxford university. One might think that such information would take the high toned friend of nature line. That circulates in the tony or precincts of silicon valley or marin county vaccination causes various childhood development impairments and so on not true of course although vaccines have had their troubling side effects. Consider the swine. Flu vaccine problems in the seventies for example the straight line out of moscow is a lot scarier and much more direct in terms of its proposed cause and effect. Here's the deal. So those egg heads at oxford astra zeneca come up with this vaccine right but did you know that they used a chimpanzee virus to make it any who it stands to reason that anyone who gets the vaccine we'll turn into an ape on account of. They made their vaccine from like some chimpanzees. Or something what the. Hey chimps. Man edward jenner. Call your office may be using cowpox. Wasn't such a good idea after all weren't there all those cattle people moving out there in the countryside but no well maybe the whole eighth man risk is being overstated here or else. There's some serious mad science going on in the urals. But it seems more likely that this view of vaccine trials is more informed by repeated viewings of the fly vincent price version. Not the jeff goldblum remake and it is by the history of medicine. 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That's extra hop dot com slash cyber and we thank extra hop for sponsoring our show and it is my pleasure to welcome back to the show. Rick howard the cyber wires chief analyst and chief security officer. Hello rick a day. So unless weeks. see us. Oh perspectives episode. You made the preliminary case. And i would say compelling case that since containers and service functions are really infrastructure as code stored in the cloud that we need to protect them with the same rigor is any other collection of data. We store there now. This week you brought in some hash table experts to get their thoughts on this whole matter. What sort of feedback did you get from them. Well as per usual with the hash table group days my theories about how to protect our digital environments have run afoul of practical considerations and limitations. What i initially thought was important may not be the question i wanted to hash table. Members to answer was this. Is there a high risk material impact to your organization because you use containers or service functions in other words. Should you drop everything in order to focus resources on securing these digital assets. The answer at least for today is probably not all right that i have to say. That's not what i was expecting. So would what's their logic here. Well if we just look at the mitre attack framework which by the way. I'm a huge fan of. You're familiar with it. It's the most short hopper hints of open source collection of adversary tactics techniques and procedures in the world. Right now and if you're not using it to establish your intrusion kill chain first principle prevention strategy. You're probably failing at that We did a whole entire episode of this way back in season. One on episode eight but even a minor attack framework is silent about any container related tactics techniques and procedures. Why is that our our are the bad guys not coming after it yet. What's what's the reality on the ground. yeah at least. They're not right now and we can debate the reason. Why but it's probably because it's too hard to do not impossible but hard adversaries have many other ways to destroy or steal data. That are not nearly as complicated. So i was talking to rozelle safran about this at the hash table. She is the ceo and founder of a small startup called key caliber. She uses containers to deliver her security service to her customers. And i've known rozelle for a number of years and she has a first-class cybersecurity. Mind and in a former life worked as a government cyber operator in multiple functions what she had to say. Well i mean some of it is just the infrastructure by its nature it implicitly has some some defenses in place in maybe that's just because it's newer technology in so that was more built into it than with some older technology for for example from from the perspective of of the memory. And making sure that the the memory is protected annex bit so the the attacker can execute from the stack and asl lars where everything is in a the. The stack is in random locations It forces the attacker to have to go to no return oriented programming attack so they can't even get two softball attacks and so you have that type of infrastructure that dorothy in place with the end. So that helps. This doesn't mean hackers will never try to leverage this new client server architecture. It just means they aren't right now that if your organization has limited cyber defence resources and you still have work to do preventing all the things we already know that hackers do that are currently listed in the minor attack framework diverting security resources away from that to containers in surplus functions is probably not the right. Well there's always. There's a lot more to the conversation so check out here with the hash table. Had to say it's the cfo perspectives podcast. It is part of cyber wire pro. You can check that. Out on our website ric howard. Thanks for joining us sir. And now a word from our sponsor no before email is still the number one attack vector. The bad guys us with a whopping ninety one percent of cyber attacks beginning with fishing but e mail hacking is much more than fishing and launching. Malware find out how to protect your organization in an on demand webinar by roger. Grimes no before data driven defense evangelist. Roger walks you through ten incredible ways you can be hacked by email and how to stop the bad guys. And he also shares a hacking demo by no before chief hacking officer kevin mitnick so check out the ten incredible ways where you'll learn. How silent malware launch remote password hash capture and road rules work why rogue documents establishing fake relationships and compromising users ethics are so effective details behind. 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Samba cloud But they'll machine learning whether it's performed by one company on its own or whether it's performed in collaboration with ecosystem partners requires in most cases sharing data between the different parties or uploading data to the cloud and there are a risks associated with that particularly privacy risks which Which is what. I want to focus on today. The first one Comes from if a party is uploading data 'em in storing it on the cloud In the clear bright obviously obviously there's a risk associated with that most companies Encrypt their data when they upload to the cloud But that data has to be decrypted if you wanna perform any computation on it so when it gets Decrypted than it you know. There's there's a privacy risk if the if the data contains a private information that is just you know the obvious risks but most companies do a preprocessing step where they try to analyze the data of remove any Sensitive or Pi data but. We've seen dads out. That step is not enough to prevent john on migration and there have been several attacks where the data was anonymous d- Bad parties can take our adversaries can take that data and combine it with external data or third party data to be able to d- anonymous it and to re identify the individuals whose data shows up In that data set. But those are again. Those are the Straightforward attacks But there are more sophisticated attacks. So one of the techniques that companies do or one of the preprocessing steps. They go for In order not to Have their data their private data in the clear On the cloud or any on any system is a step where they take the raw data and turn it into a what is known as features that can be used by the machine learning model as input so this is a preprocessing step that extracts. Some of the you know the Identifying saw some of the features that are used to train the machine learning model out of the raw data and then the party would take that feature data uploaded on the cloud or the you know the server where they performed the computation. Instead of the raw data itself however adversaries can Even when when only the features are transferred and stored on the Computation server There is threat known as a reconstruction attack where the is go is reconstructing the raw private data by using the knowledge. They have a off the feature vectors so examples of that that have been performed. Previously is our Taking a fingerprint or reconstructing a fingerprint image of from a minutiae template that includes just features were Taking mobile device dutch stressors and reconstructing the touch events from from the features That include the velocity and the direction of the of the touch. Now in these cases in both of these cases the you know the threat was resulted in a security threat. So from privacy threat this resulted into a security threat to an authentication system So that's basically the third type of attack and this you know this can be exact exacerbated by the type of machine. Learning algorithm veggies used So in some cases even if that featured data is not available but the adversary gets access to the machine learning model that uses it some of the machine learning models store these feature vectors in them. So you know models. Ikea support victim machines or the curious The k. k. n. the k nearest neighbor them use these feature vectors to identify the model itself. So if the adversary gets access to the model without getting access to the data at all avai may be able to an i formation private information about The individuals whose data was used to build that model. Wow well it's a lot to unpack but Always appreciate you explaining this stuff. I mean like bensalem. Thanks for joining us. Thank you dave thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible especially are supporting sponsor proof points observe it the leading people centric insider threat management solution learn more at observed dot com. That's the cyber wire for links to all of today's stories. Check out our daily briefing at the cyber wire dot com and for professionals in cybersecurity leaders. Who want to stay. Abreast of this rapidly evolving field. Sign up for cyber wipro. Save your time and keep you informed. Oh what heights. We'll hit listen for us on your alexa smart speaker to. Don't forget to check out the grumpy. All geeks podcast where contribute to a regular segment called security off. I joined jason and brian on their show for a lively discussion of the latest security news. Every week you can find grumpy old geeks. We're all the fine. Podcasts are listed and check out the recorded future. Podcast which i also host subject. 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Japonizados Micropodcast | 3X11 | Omakase: Experiencia Gastronmica en Japn

Podcast RadioViajera

21:35 min | 7 months ago

Japonizados Micropodcast | 3X11 | Omakase: Experiencia Gastronmica en Japn

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Physics in Industry 4.0.

Salvador Marin

09:15 min | 1 year ago

Physics in Industry 4.0.

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Notes from the underworld: phishing with hardware, DarkSide impersonation, and cyber vigilantes. Data incidents, and a conviction for a crypter.

The CyberWire

28:05 min | Last month

Notes from the underworld: phishing with hardware, DarkSide impersonation, and cyber vigilantes. Data incidents, and a conviction for a crypter.

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Using only your company's domain insights proprietary tools find potential external threats including phishing attacks and dark web mentions targeting your organization within minutes to download your free threat intelligence report go to insights dot com slash cyber wire and we thank insights for sponsoring our show fishing with a bogus hardware wallet as bait empty threats from dark side of personnel. Cyber aunties may be distributing anti-piracy malware data security incidents at a cruise line and a us grocery chain. Malek ben salamn from accenture looks at optimizing security scanning our guest is edward. Roberts have been perga- on their twenty twenty one bad box report and conviction for a critter with a sentence to follow from the cyber wires studios at data tribe. I'm dave bittner with your cyber wires summary for friday. June eighteenth twenty twenty one. We're accustomed to fishing by email and vitiating is also now a fairly commonplace threat. There's a new approach however that dangles it's baked in the form of a hot for security reminding readers that almost three quarters of a million customers of the hardware wallet. Ledger had their email and physical addresses compromise. Last december thinks we now know why it appears to have been the onset of an elaborate fishing effort. Some ledger users have received would appear to be replacement wallet hardware units they are however bogus and represent an attempt to steal keys in crypto currency. Bleeping computer has pictures of the devices and an account of the poorly written scam text that accompanied them the device itself came in a slick and professionally shrink wrapped box and the bogus key. Looks legit enough to be persuasive. But the accompanying letter should have blown the gaff to any moderately aware recipient composed as it was in jarringly bad english with the poor idiomatic control characteristic of these cyber criminal. Here's a sample bleeping computer shared. It starts off well enough. The letterhead is convincing and the first two paragraphs explain in respectable enough discourse pros that unfortunately ledger was subjected to a cyber attack in july of last year and that contents of its customer database were dumped on raid forum far so good but after the first two paragraphs the quality of the prose falls off dramatically. The crooks write quote for this reason for security purposes. We have sent you a new device. You must switch to a new device to stay safe. there is a manual inside your new box. You can read that to learn how to set up your new device for this reason. We have changed our device structure. We now guarantee that this kind of breach will never happen again. And quote as the copy editors say sick especially after kinda. It's not quite show broke res but it's on that path all in all however someone went to a lot of trouble to be convincing when the criminal markets starts to advertise editors katie bar. The door another point worth noting is the way in which the lie is surrounded with the customary bodyguard of truth. In fact information about ledger customers was indeed dumped on the raid forum hacker site last year. Ledger has been warning. Its customers about the breach since december twentieth. Success breeds imitation. Proverbially the sincerest form of flattery. And this is no less true of criminal success than it is of legitimate achievement. Sometimes that imitation rises to the level of impersonation dark side is the latest subject of such flattery trend micro. This morning reported. That imitators are sending extortion emails. To companies in the energy and food sectors. The target selection would seem to be shaped by the recent notoriety of ransomware attacks against colonial pipeline. And the jbs food processing company. The emails began to circulate on june fourth with a few being dispatched daily. The text begins with a maty. Hi this is dark side and goes on to talk about what it's accomplished against the recipients systems quote. It took us a lot of time to hack your servers and access all your accounting reporting also got access to many financial documents and other data that can greatly affect your reputation if we publish them. It was difficult but luck was helped by us. One of your employees is extremely unqualified network. Security issues you could hear about us from the press. Recently we held a successful attack on the j. b. s. for nondisclosure of your confidential information we require not so much one hundred bitcoins think about it. These documents may be interesting not only by ordinary people but also by the tax service and other organizations if they are in open access. We are not going to wait long. You have several days and quote so there. There are several things wrong with this apart from the appearance of having been written by the same people who composed the third and fourth paragraphs of the letter that accompanied those bogus ledger hardware while it's for one thing. Jbs wasn't hit by dark side but rather by another gang are evil and that doesn't lend the pitch very much very similar second. There's been no reported disruption of the targets operations. Dark side usually sends. It's ransom note. After the victim sees a problem and third. There's no offer of any sample documents as evidence that the extortionists have the goods on the victim. So the whole thing seems to be a tacky commercial analog of the low grade sex stolen emails that tell you falsely. They've gone saucy pictures of you that you'd probably prefer not to be plastered across the internet. Japan has been most affected followed by australia. The united states argentina canada in india with lesser rates of approach experienced by companies and china colombia mexico. The netherlands thailand and the uk trend micro has some good news. They've looked at the crypto wallet. The goons have directed victims too and they found no signs that anyone has actually paid up. We've heard a fair bit about cyber private tearing lately especially in the days surrounding the now concluded russo american summit but cyber vigilantism hasn't been in the news much until yesterday at any rate. You of course wouldn't download pirated software anymore than we would but suppose a friend were to ask your opinion rights and wrongs aside even the bassist self interest should now lead that hypothetical friend to avoid doing so sophos has described would appears to be a strain of vigilante malware apparently designed to prevent infected computers from visiting pirate sites. The malware has been distributed through bittorrent and discord disguised as pirated copies of games and other software products. Vigilante is a reasonable. I guess but the operators ultimate purpose remains murky sophos principal investigator andrew. Brandt explained the 'ambiguities to info security magazine. He said quote on the face of it the adversaries targets and tools suggests this could be some kind of crudely compiled anti-piracy vigilante operation. However the attackers vast potential target audience from gamers to business professionals combined with the curious mix of dated and new tools techniques and procedures and the bazaar list of websites blocked by the malware all make the ultimate purpose of this operation a bit murky and quote in any case. Probably best to stay clear of the pirated software to other data breaches are in the news today. Cruise ship line carnival disclosed that it sustained data breach in march. The company told bleeping computer that the attackers accessed limited portions of its information. technology systems. Some customer employee and crew information is believed to have been exposed but carnival thinks the probability that the data have been misused is low and returning to shore to unsecured cloud databases used by. Us grocery chain wegmans may have exposed customers. Names home an email addresses. Phone numbers birthdates. Shoppers club numbers and hashed passwords to their store accounts w. c. v. b. reports finally in case the. Us justice department says is an example of how seriously it intends to take ransomware. Russian national oleg coffin has been convicted on federal charges related to his operation of crypto websites including crypt for you which helped ransomware and other malware evade detection by anti virus programs. The department of justice said that coskun and his co conspirators claim that their services could be used for malware botnets remote access trojans key loggers credential steelers and crypto currency. Minors and quote. Mr coffin faces a maximum penalty of fifteen years. Imprisonment will be sentenced on september twentieth. And before we go a heartfelt happy juneteenth on this first observance of the newest us federal holiday and now a word from our sponsor extra hob stopping advanced threats with network detection and response stopping. Advanced threats requires knowing. Exactly what you're up against with ninety days look back extra hop reveal. X is the only solution that shows you not just where the intruders are going within your network but where they've been extra help reveal x. provides complete visibility across cloud data center and not even when traffic is encrypted powered by cloud-based reveal x. Fines threats in real time while powerful investigation and forensics capabilities. Allow you to respond. Eighty four percent faster. See how it works in the full production demo free online at extra hop dot com slash. Cyber that's extra hop dot com slash cyber bullying. There's that old joke that on the internet. No one knows you're a dog and the same might be said for online botts. Some box are loud and obvious while others do their best to hide the fact that they are in fact bots the team at impervious recently published their twenty twenty. One bad bought report and joining us with highlights is impervious edward roberts. Something that we've done for the past eight years so this is the time we publish this report. And we look at it as trying to aggregate the data across south platform to see the different kinds of bought traffic and human traffic that we see so. This is an aggregate report of data across many industries. globally. I'm telling you about the traffic. That's on on the internet and on websites around the globe. Well let us have it. I mean what. What's our bought situation these days. What did y'all find. I think what we found. Is that The traffic is increasing again. It's the worst amount of traffic and we've actually gone over. A quarter of internet. Traffic is classified as a bad bolt. That he's doing something that you haven't allowed and you do not want them on your site. It's automation that you haven't approved And so it normally. It's been in the nineteen to twenty two percent range and now would just over the twenty five percent range so It's creeping up in the i. Guess the one thing. That's the the outline era. This year is the pandemic obviously created a scenario where more people are purchasing things online and having daily activities online And so bought. Operators also been very active in that as well. So we think that's part of the driver one of interesting findings that we have in about bought report. This year was that we saw that every business that has a log in page has an account takeover attack for sixteen percent of the time over a year. So that's literally from january to the end of february you've got a continuous. Ato account takeover credential stuffing attack happening on your log in page so think about volume. If that's something that you want to take care of that that lot of people would not want the fraud that would Follow those types of attacks. So that's kind of the average that we see. That's remarkable. I mean what one one seven one eight i suppose. Somewhere around there the logon attempts or fraudulent Yeah we we've actually the the actual number of the number of attempts is is thirty. Four percent of all logging attempts self fraudulence But the amounts of time that you suffer under these attacks we said his sixteen percent of time so that so effectively. Two months period. Yeah let's dig into that. So i mean obviously we've heard stories in the news about things like you know being able to having a hard time getting your hands on something like a playstation because You know box have scooped. Them all up is is that something you all have been tracking here through the pandemic. Absolutely that is one of the big shifts You know we would classify that as automated abuse colts. Scalping and people typically of known as scalping In the ticketing for shows overall sporting events where you can can scout that ticket and get a premium price somewhere else whether you stay outside. The stadium will that moved online. So scalping is a well known problem from from what's in the ticketing industry because there's the ability to make money if you can resell it at a higher price for hide him on. Show what you've now is. this is moved from shows. It's moved into the retail space. Now you've got this perfect storm of the pandemic web you weren't able to walk into stores and actually purchase these items over the counter and walkout with it. It all went online so you actually had to go on online to it. So the operators seventy realize if they can grab as many of these consoles as possible on hold them they can Arbitrage the price and get that increased profit margin from it. it's a business for these operators just grabbing as many and holding many of these gaming consoles as possible and then reselling them is is how making money and paying them mortgage when you all are tracking the activity of botts how many of the bots are out there. Trying to not look like dots are. Are there some that. Just do their business in her fine with everybody knowing and seeing that they are but others that try to look more. Human like yeah. I think i think that's We classify that as the sophistication level of the bots. So the most sophisticated they are they try and emulate human behavior right. They might move a mouse on screen. They might pull as before clicks. They might scroll the page They might have characteristics that make them appear mulch human-like because ultimately that's what businesses won't on their website. They won't humans on a browser browsing reading purchasing goods using services online And that's the perfect traffic for them because that's where their businesses is going to thrive. What do is trying to imitate that. And lucas human as possible So the most sophisticated they are. They trying to evade whatever detections are in there whether it be limited so A lot of people might be familiar with putting a capture in front of a people to make them fill out. You know you know. Find all the traffic signs in this in this picture. Or whatever is that's the technique to remove automation but there are sophisticated vaults that can get beyond those captures and actually program and get get through those so that there is definitely the range of simple bots that get caught by very simple techniques and then there are more sophisticated that are trying to actively evade detection methods. That's edward roberts from impervious. It's time to take a moment to tell you about our sponsor tae neom today. We rely on end points for everything from remote work to mobile banking telemedicine and online learning. That's why managing and securing these end points has never been more important. Hainian provides unified endpoint management and security built for the world's most demanding environments providing instant visibility complete context and rapid response. That's why all six branches of the armed forces and half of the fortune one hundred trust taniuk to protect their it operations. Join tae neom. At this year's converged twenty twenty virtual event to learn about the latest advances in unified endpoint management and security connect with industry peers and hear directly from other leading technology partner spike google cloud and salesforce go to converge dante neom dot com and enter promo code cyber wire to receive a fifteen percent discount on a lab and we thank him for sponsoring our show about nothing pleased to be joined once again by malek bensalem. She is the technology research director for security at accenture. Malek it's always great to have you back You know. I wanted to touch base with you on application security You know we've seen The recent executive order come down from the presidential administration. I know that something that you and your team are working on a specifically. Can we touch today on. Optimizing security scanning. Yes sure. thanks for having me back dave. Yeah what with the executive order. I think there has been calls for even more scanning more application scanning and performing various types of cans the v. static application securities scam attests or sast dass. Scans i ask etc. But we know that these has generate loads of findings of developers may not be able to respond to in a timely manner or they may be able to respond to at all right especially where the vulnerabilities that are not that critical so a woman wants to do is to help fees development teams prioritise what they need to respond to and We do so by several optimizations number one we generate exploitability rankings. For these vulnerabilities. So that you know the the the teams respond to the findings that to have the highest exploitability and some of the the existing scanning tools do provide that but but we take it to the next level by adding some additional information about the vulnerabilities such as their exploitability over time their their past exploded ability. But also you know these are scores that are available through the the database right through the their common abilities scoring system. They do provide some of these scores. Such as the impact of the of the vulnerability. It's explode ability but it's based on the likelihood of that vulnerability being exploited. What we add is threatened information about whether that whether that vulnerability has been actually exploited whether we've seen pc's read proofs of concept of that fun ability being exploited. And how many of them do we see. Now we also include information about the vulnerability not ability. So if Vulnerabilities gaining notably in the media. That means it either has been used. War is very likely to be used by malicious actors. by combining all of these scores. We come up with with better explode. Ability rankings for these vulnerabilities that application teams and application development teams and security teams. Can Can use to prioritize which of vulnerabilities. They too big. Eight or remediate i. So he is part of the notion here that you're providing A lot more context to the information that they're getting absolutely absolutely. I am various key for these teams who are very time constrained. The second thing we do actually is identify. Any correllated vulnerabilities were in some cases. Any false positives that the discounting tools generate. We have realized that. A lot of the vulnerabilities being found are actually positives. That teams do not have necessarily to respond to and so we we do some triaging to help these teams and redo that through a different techniques number one we look at duplicates within the same scam so review of the same scan identify. If there are any vulnerabilities that have been reported twice or more and we remove those so that the teams you know. Respond to fixing the vulnerability just once we correlate findings between different types of scans. So take the scan and the dust can and we try to identify. If there are vulnerabilities reported in the same scam that are actually the same vulnerability again. This would help the team. Response to one right mitigate just one instead of responding twice to these vulnerabilities reported differently on two different reports. And then the third thing we do correlation between scans so what i talked about between scans in different time windows right so so earlier. I talked about correlating. Vulnerabilities between sast and a dash cam that one snapshot But you know sometimes rican correlate scandal. Let's say a week ago with a scam. Bet has been done today and look at the. The correlations between the vulnerabilities between scans and remove any false positives that have been identified in the previous scam so that we don't have to respond to it again or analyze it. Mvp the current scam and We found out is that we can Identify between fifty and eighty percent of these false positives. And we're able to save about sixty four percent of the security analysts time as they are reviewing these these findings from the scans and other as they are trying to triage them and this can be all enable to artificial intelligence. That's fascinating i mean. Obviously you know nothing is perfect in and I suspect you know the the. Ai is not perfect as well. But i mean is the system constantly feeding back on itself so that it as overtime the results that that degenerates are also improving absolutely absolutely. It is constantly learning and it's constantly applying or contextualising information for particular clients because we know that the development environment for one one of our clients maybe different from another client. So we are optimizing vet learning kerr. Burr client environment. Yeah interesting all right. We'll fascinating stuff melik bensalem. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible. And that's the cyber wire links to all today stories. Check out our daily briefing at the cyber wire dot com. Don't forget to check out this. Weekend's edition of research saturday and my conversation with gauge neely and yuri pulls off from anomaly. We're discussing primitive barrier gamero don and it targeting ukraine with timely themes. That's research saturday. Do check it out. The cyber wire podcast is proudly produced in maryland. The startup studios of data tribe were there co building. The next generation of cybersecurity teams and technologies are amazing cyber wire team is elliott peltzman group. Precaut- kelsey bond. Tim no dr. Joe kerrigan herald tarot. Ben yellen nick. Valenki jeanne johnson bennett. Mo- chris russell. John patrick jennifer ivan. Rick howard peter. Kilby and i'm dave bittner. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here next week.

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Meet the Inspiration4 Team, the Worlds First Non-Professional Astronaut Space Crew

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Meet the Inspiration4 Team, the Worlds First Non-Professional Astronaut Space Crew

"Brought to you by the so-fi daily podcast. Did you know thirty. Seven percent of americans would struggle to cover unexpected four hundred dollar expense. April is national financial literacy month. Which means it's time to expand your financial knowledge and that all starts with having the right information for facts analysis and updates related to markets and financial awareness. Listen to the so-fi daily podcast every weekday search for s-o-f-i wherever you get your broadcasts meet the inspiration for team. The world's first non-professional astronaut space crew. By jeffrey kluger scien- proctor mayo. Her life to apollo eleven literally in guam the daughter of an engineer who worked at the local tracking station that helped nasa maintain communications with. Its lunar crews. She was the fourth child of a couple that she suspects did not plan for so many kids and came into the world just nine months after apollo. Eleven stuck it's historic first moon landing. I think i was a celebration baby. She says with a laugh. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for human spaceflight proctor. Herself has a lot to celebrate this year. Come september if all goes to plan the fifty one year old professor of geoscience at south mountain university in phoenix will climb aboard a spacex crew dragon spacecraft and rocket into low earth orbit spending up to three days aloft before splashing down in the atlantic ocean. The mission dubbed inspiration. Four won't be the first aboard a spacex ship to carry crew. It won't even be the second or the third when it will be is the first flight aboard any spacecraft flown by any country or company to be crewed entirely by non astronauts. Four people who until this past february didn't know they would be flying to space at all and now we'll go to a place that fewer than six hundred people in the world have ever gone before. I thought a flight like this was a decade away says proctor. But it's now as previously reported time studios has secured exclusive documentary rights on the inspiration for mission from the beginning. The american astronaut club was exceedingly. Undemocratic nasa would periodically throw its doors open to new entrance. And you're more than welcome to apply provided you were military pilot or an engineer or a biologist or physicist of a certain age and a certain fitness and a certain temperament and prepared to go through exhaustive training over the course of years before your turn finally came to fly chances are it would never come because chances were you wouldn't be selected for training in the first place. It was a fine system. One that gave us our armstrong's and aldrin's in grissom's and glands but it was a decidedly exclusive. One too early. This year jared isaac men decided it was time to shake things up and he was in a position to make it happen. Isaac mun the thirty-seven-year-old billionaire founder of online payment processing providers shift for payments is a private pilot who always had a hankering to go to space. Will and wallet aren't enough to secure yourself a seat aboard. A spacecraft but spacex is a different matter a private company government contract to fly cargo and crew to the international space station but free to sell flight tickets to anyone wants to in. Its spare time. Is it approach the company in january and bought four seats for an undisclosed sum one slot. The commander slot would be his. The question was how to select the three other people. He ultimately chose to fly with him. All of whom time visited with this week at cape canaveral part of the answer isaacs in decided would be philanthropy long supporter of multiple childhood charities including the make a wish foundation is turned his attention. This time to the saint jude's children's research hospital in memphis tennessee. He paid more than five million dollars for a thirty second ad during last february super bowl to announce the inspiration for mission and raise funds for the hospital. The ad attracted thirteen million dollars in donations. And isaac men added his own one hundred million dollars for his first crew member. He chose haley arsenault twenty nine of physician's assistant at saint jude and a survivor of childhood. Bone cancer arsenault will be the youngest american to fly in space and the first of any country to go aloft with a prosthetic a metal rod in place of the portion of her right femur. She lost her disease A little concerned about traveling with it with all those g. forces on it arsenault admits but i want other people with other prostheses to fly and nobody has to go i. One of the remaining two seeds was allocated through a competition in which entrance designed an online store using shift for payment software and shared their entrepreneurial space aspirations via social media the other went to the winner of a random drawing among contestants who made a donation to saint jude. Proctor won the seat determined by designing the online business. The fact that she was chosen at all represented a sweet bit of redemption. She applied to nasa for selection as an astronaut twice before and in two thousand nine made it as far as the final forty-seven thirty five hundred applicants before being cut. At least one of the people chosen in that class had not even had a chance to fly yet says proctor. I may actually be going to space before. I would have gone. If i'd been selected by nasa the final winner was chris some brodsky forty-one and iraq war veteran and engineer at lockheed martin in seattle sim. Broschi was actually not the person originally chosen a close friend of his won the drawing and got the call from isaac. I but chose not to go. For personal reasons. He recommended some brodsky fly in his place and isaac agreed. Jared called and told me that my friend had one and then he said but he's elected to pass this up and is passing it on to you. Congratulations you're part of inspiration for some broschi recalls. The new crew is being fast. Tracked to space never mind the multiple years nasa astronaut spend training for emission. The inspiration fourteen. We'll get no more than six months. Some of their work fitness tests with university of california los angeles doctors. Working with spacex centrifuge runs at the nass star aerospace center in bensalem pennsylvania. Long hours spent in crew dragon. Simulators is the stuff of any astronaut training other parts like camping with men for three days on the flank of mount rainier next week is particular to this mission. I want everyone to know what it's like to be very very uncomfortable and to push themselves. Anyway isaac man says it helps build confidence when other challenges come up. The flight itself will bear isaac men's mark to at his request the spacecraft will be flying at an altitude of five hundred forty kilometers three hundred thirty five miles higher than the four hundred ten kilometers which the space station orbits. We wanna go past the altitude. We've grown comfortable with isaac. Men says we want to say. Let's stretch ourselves since the crew dragon will not be going to the station. Spacex is removing its docking collar and replacing it. With a domed window the crew will be doing more than sightseeing in their three days. Aloft there will be science experiments to run and maintenance chores to perform and proctor plans to teach a college lesson from space. Then too there will be history to make the physics of space travel blistering speeds and the heavy g loads and the huge explosive machines necessary to make the trips will perhaps never make rocket flights beyond the atmosphere as routine as airplane. Flights through it but space travel can at least become more routine more. Egalitarian pursuit not just for humanity's elite. But for some of the rest of us inspiration for is an extraordinary mission with the paradoxical of making space flight a more ordinary thing.

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