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Doctor With Rare Disease Decides To Find His Own Cure
"From whyy in Philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm Dave Davies in for Terry Gross. What if you had a rare disease almost certain to kill you and your doctors told you there's no cure David. Fagan bound was diagnosed with castleman disease when he was a twenty five year old medical student and after nearly dying in the hospital several times he decided he have to try and find his own treatment. His new book tells the story of how he did that. In part by building a worldwide network of doctors scientists and patients to crowdsource the most promising research and treatments that collaborative effort is now turning its attention to Cova nineteen which fagin Baum says has characteristics in common with Castleman. Disease is book is called. Chasing Mike. You're also Maureen Corrigan views. Benjamin Taylor's men were about his friendship with Philip broad. Our guest David Fagin. Bom nearly died in a hospital five times. He was a medical student in his twenties when he was diagnosed with an obscure but deadly disease that was little understood one for which his doctors had no cure and little in the way of treatment. After coming to death's door for the fifth time he decided to search for a treatment himself. Historians remarkable both because of the results of his search. Which you'll soon hear about. But also because of the approach he took crowd sourcing the medical knowledge and experience with his illness around the world to find the most promising treatment the organization he formed to connect the dots of knowledge about his disease is now applying its techniques to the quest for a treatment for covert Nineteen David Fagan. Bomb is an assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the associate director for the Orphan Disease Center and he's Co founder and Executive Director of the Castleman Disease Collaborative Network. His book about his experience is chasing my cure a doctor's race to turn hope into action. I spoke to him from my home in Philadelphia. David fagin welcome to fresh air. Thanks so much for happy Dave. Now you didn't get the illness that's the subject of all this until I twenty five. You were high school quarterback and then went to Georgetown University where you are also quarterback of the football team but Early in Your College Years. You lost your mom to brain cancer. Just tell us how that affected you and how you responded to that loss. Her illness and passing Just devastated me. It took me from a world in a life where I focused on football and I thought maybe I wanted to go into medicine to a world in a life where all I wanted to do was become a doctor and to chase after diseases like cancer by mom was the most incredible person in the world and she taught me so much throughout my life but in particular throughout her illness about how to live the right way and she motivated me to want to focus my life on on helping patients like her. You also formed an organization to help college students. Grieving the loss. That's ray just a couple of weeks. Before my mom passed away we had Our final conversation and it was the first time that we had ever thought and talked about this being the end and she was really worried about if I would be okay if I could cope with her illness while in her her now passing while I was at college and I promised her I said mom. I'm going to be okay and I'm going to dedicate my life towards fighting diseases like cancer and helping other young people dealing with illness or death of a loved one and she just left the idea. She couldn't say too many words but she said unconditional love and I went back to college and I was completely on a mission. She passed away the end of October. And within just a few weeks I started an organization called A. M. F. My Mom's initials were in Mary. Fagin bomb and I started this group called Mothers and fathers for students that were dealing with the illness or death of a loved one and it was a way to continue her memory. She was such an amazing person and I just felt that her legacy needed to continue in her life of supporting others needed to continue on to help other college students coping with illness or death of a loved one. You were a medical student and you've done a few rotations win this disease. That's the subject of all this hit you. How did it present itself? I was healthy third year medical student. I was really on my way to that new thing that I was fighting for I it was football and now all of a sudden I'm this fighting to to take on disease and to fight cancer and all of a sudden I started noticing. I was more tired than usual. I noticed I had some really severe abdominal pain and noticed lumps and bumps in my neck. Didn't know what all that meant. But I just felt like I put it off until after the rotation that I was on I was on an obgyn rotation. I just kept thinking this can wait and unfortunately over the next few days I got more and more tired and and Donald Payne got worse and I just felt really really unwell even told a couple of my friends. I thought I was dying which I'm not a very dramatic person. So clearly knew something was going wrong but after. I took my medical school exam. I went down the hall to the Emergency Department and they ran some blood tests. And I'll never forget the doctor coming in the room and saying David Your Liver. Your kidneys your bone marrow. Your heart and your lungs are shutting down we have to hospitalize you right away and they did and over the course of the next few days. I became deathly ill. They admitted to the intensive care unit where I had a retinal hemorrhage that made me blind. In my left eye I gained seventy pounds of fluid drifted in and out of consciousness required transfusions just to keep me alive all with no diagnosis and unfortunately it would go on for a lot longer. You're going through all this and they're still no diagnosis. You know you write that well before the symptoms were at their worst. You knew you were dying. You were sure of it why you think it's hard to put into words. The fatigue that I was feeling the pain that I was feeling the I. I'd been sick before just like all of us with flus and illnesses but I I. The sick that I felt was an illness like it's hard to describe. It just felt different from anything else I'd ever experienced and something was telling me that it was really really really bad and I I. Frankly didn't think I was going to survive. What do you make this now? All of your organs were shutting down in some way. You kind of knew that but with the experience of several years serious hospitalizations. Now what do you make of this sense that you were dying at the very basic level? I think it was that I was feeling so unwell that I just sense that this must be what it feels like to be dying Now that as you said I've undergone this experience five times. It truly is the pain of organ failure. The confusion of having your liver and your kidneys not cleaning your blood so your your brain doesn't work appropriately. It was all of these physiological things happening at once but I think it was also just the fear of of knowing that this likely meant that I would not be around much longer so you spent four weeks in the hospital in Philadelphia where you were in medical school and then transferred to a hospital in Raleigh North Carolina. Where Your Dad who is also a physician had worked You eventually got better And were released after seven weeks after I guess. Heavy treatment of corticosteroids right but still diagnosis. That's right no diagnosis. And I I knew that I had just gone through this life threatening near death experience. Where at one point? The doctors didn't think I would survive in my friends and family came in the room to say their goodbyes. And all of a sudden here we are seven weeks later and I'm just kind of mysteriously miraculously getting better with no diagnosis and I wasn't really satisfied with this idea of. Let's just hope that it doesn't come back That a number of my doctors told me and so when I got out of the hospital I tried to get off my medical records that I could and see if I could piece together what was going on. I was only a third year medical student but I hope that maybe I could find some pattern that my doctors couldn't Unfortunately I did not figure out the pattern before I was back in the just a few weeks later again with all the same symptoms as before a few weeks after you had your first bout with what was then a mysterious illness you. You're back in the hospital. North Carolina going through the same horrific stuff again and you want him to do a test for a limb foam a- The comes it comes back. You don't have left them farmer but they have some other news. Tell us about this. He had they came back and told me that it. It's not in this. Healthcare professional was actually smiling. She was so happy and I was so happy. It wasn't lymphoma because we were. We were worried that it was and she said. I've never heard of it before. But you have idiopathic multicentric castleman disease and I had remembered vaguely hearing at once before in Med school. But I really didn't remember much about this disease but I was just so happy that it wasn't lymphoma and so So she left the room and this happened to be the first time in weeks that I was alone in the hospital room. My Dad and my sisters never left my side just so happened to not be in the room at this time and so I pulled out my phone and I googled. It and I was terrified. I found this one study on the wikipedia page. Basically said that eighty percent of patients don't live for two years after diagnosis. And so this are our greatest fear about it. Being Lymphoma actually LYMPHOMAS. Survival rates are better than than what I was reading On this wikipedia page about this disease and I knew that it was bad. I mean I had experienced multi were failure. I knew this was a bad disease. Whatever it was that I was facing. But I had hoped it wasn't as bad as idiopathic multi-centre castleman disease is and one of the reasons I soon learned for why this disease has. Such poor outcomes is because so little was known about the disease for by the medical community. Right sort of his characteristics of cancer and characteristics of of guess on immune disorder You discover that. There's actually an expert on casselman doctor. Fritz van Rie. Who's at the University of Arkansas? You contact him and he agrees to see you. So you'RE GONNA head down there and talk to the person who seems to know the most about it. I love this you decide. You have to get some new clothes. Why yeah. I had such a large belly from all of the fluid accumulation that I couldn't fit into any of my previous close and so I needed to get basically triple xl outfits? That way I could. I could actually fit into my clothes and Actually even just right around the time that I finally got this diagnosis there. The the real challenge was then. Well what do you do? You might have idiopathic Molly Center. Kasim's these but what do you do now and I was transferred to Duke University Hospital. The same hospital that my mom had received all of her treatment at and I remember passing by this sign at Duke. There is hope and I remember when I had seen that signed before with my mom's treat and I had been so so hopeful and and of course she had she had passed battling her cancer so all of a sudden seeing it again didn't give me the same sort of hope that that I had gotten from seeing that signed before but thankfully the doctors there gave me chemotherapy and Thankfully they gave it to me just in time because I was so sick when they started. Administering chemotherapy to me that my doctors encouraged my family to come in and say their goodbyes. And now for the second time and my family had a priest come in and administer my last rites to me so back in November of twenty. Ten I was prepared to today by a priest with having my last rites read to me and I've really considered that moment when a priest came in and administer my last rights to me to kind of be the start of my overtime extra time that I didn't think that I would have But time that I'm trying to make the most of right now you they give you these heavy doses of chemotherapy. They still don't understand what causes the disease. How does the chemotherapy help? You're exactly right so when you don't know what to target So if you don't know what cell type is the problem or what. Mechanisms are involved in the disease. You can just kill everything. And that's kind of the approach with key with multi agent chemotherapy because the medical community didn't know what to go after The approach is. Let's just kind of nuke everything with chemotherapy and And that's what they did for me in in as barbaric as it sounds. It saved my life. I'm alive today because of this. Just knew everything approach with a combination of seven different chemotherapies right but the drawback. Is You know that you can't keep doing this forever right. That's exactly right. There's a lifetime Max of these drugs and there's only so much you can take before they actually start causing irreversible organ. Damage cancers There's so many side effects of this. This is not a permanent solution But it it was what we needed at the time to save my life the second and then the third time you end up going to Arkansas where Dr Fritz van read it turns out is one of the national experts in Castleman disease and I love this little story where you're taking. The shuttle from the airport in the driver looks at you and says what he looks at me. Says you've castleman disease right and I'm like wait a minute I had been at some of the best medical centers in the world and no one could figure out what disease I had and all of a sudden here. I am in the shuttle bus drivers telling me that I have castleman disease and and I think that So we'll first off because the world's expert for is in Little Rock Arkansas. They get a lot of castleman disease patients and secondly Castle men's patients Because all of our organs shut down including our liver and our kidneys we gain tons and tons of fluid everywhere. And so. I think that me being so puffy and in my triple. Xl Sweatshirt that you'd asked about earlier. I think that he must have recognized that. I looked like a castle disease patient and he was totally right. And it's kind of an interesting metaphor for the problem with these obscure. Illnesses is that you can have people in one place even a shuttle driver who recognizes it simply because it's known some places but medical experts elsewhere may never have heard of it it. That's exactly right when you have over ten thousand different diseases You can't expect every doctor to know everything about every disease But but that's not actually the problem. The problem is into that. Every doctor doesn't know everything about every disease. The problem is that for some diseases. Know doctors know anything about those diseases and castleman disease. It really falls more into that category. Where where there are just a few physicians and researchers who really have have much understanding at all at least back in two thousand ten about the disease so I want to move the story. Forward a bit here. You were You've been treated for several attacks of Casselman and you talk to the national expert. And they found that there was one promising drug On a clinical trial and you took that sill took some have something okay you go on that and you're hoping that you're better right. You're you spend some time. Not you know believing that maybe regular treatments with this drug are really going to solve. The problem turns out it doesn't April twenty twelve. It's back of roaring attack of this dreadful said of symptoms and in the middle of this. You realize medicine just doesn't have an answer and you decide you're going to take this on yourself And in doing so you kind of learn some things about how medical research does and doesn't work. You looked at the state of knowledge about Casselman. What did you discover? What were the problems? When I set out to begin to understand will what's being done What's been done in the past what's being done right now? I'm I learned that just as you mentioned there was very little. That was being done. The few people that were working were not working with one another and that research was very random I think previously. I assume that there was infrastructure and plans goals and objectives within fields. But what I learned is that actually research happens quite randomly where you have to basically hope that. The right researcher applies for the right project and the right funding with the right skill. Set at the right time and when you have a deadly illness you don't really have time for all of those stars to align and so I learned pretty quickly that the most important thing that I could do would be to actually try to align the stars to actually try to get all of these problems solutions resources lined up so that we can make as much progress as quickly as we cut. What's interesting about it? Is that a lot of this was just organization right. Because there's there were scraps of knowledge a lot of places in dozen scores. Maybe hundreds of people doctors who had tried treatments patients who had gone through things Some studies but it wasn't centralized anywhere and people weren't talking to each other. How did you saw this organizational problem or try to? It wasn't easy but the way that we started out to try to solve. This problem was that we. I tried to identify all the physicians researchers in patients worldwide. Who KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT CASTLEMAN disease? We wanted to just I find everyone. And then connect them online through virtual discussion board and then eventually through in person meetings but the idea was if we could get everyone together then we could crowdsource from them. We could ask the whole community. What research questions are important? And we could ask patients what research questions are important to you and then we could go out and we can figure out. Who's the best person in the world to do the studies to answer those questions and and just to kind of give some contrast the typical way that this works is that a research group raises money and then invites researchers to apply to use the money how they see fit and so for rare disease? You make it a few people that apply for that funding and we said well. Let's not just wait and hope that those couple of people who apply for the right idea and have the right background. Let's figure out. What is the right study that needs to be done? And who is the right person to do it? And then we'll go and recruit them into the field. We'll go and find someone who's studying another disease and get them into the Castle Mansfield and get them to work on this and really importantly as we do this research we also will relentlessly asked what drugs are already. Fda approved that might actually have activities against this disease based on what we're learning about the disease because we knew the to develop a brand new drug from scratch would take a decade and billions of dollars. But we knew that if we learn more about this disease and then identify a drug that already exists already available. That's FDA approved for another condition that we could be thinking about treating this disease in a matter of months as opposed to decades. David Fagin bomb is assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. His New Book is chasing my cure doctors race to turn hope into action. We'll hear more of his story after a short break. Also Maureen Corrigan reviews. Benjamin Taylor's memoir about his friendship with Philip Roth. I'm Dave Davies. And this is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one with capital. One you can earn five times the national average savings rate so you can save confidently knowing that. Your money is growing in a safe place. Every day capital one is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? Na member FDIC. We're speaking with University of Pennsylvania. Assistant Medical Professor David Fagin bomb at the age of twenty five. He was diagnosed with Castleman. Disease a rare deadly illness with no known cure after nearly dying in the hospital several times fagin bound set out to try and find his own treatment he started the castleman disease collaborative network. A patient centered effort to crowd source. The most promising research an organization. That's now focused on treatments for covert nineteen. His book about the experience is called chasing my cure. You get your v Attack Casselman wild workers going on and you decide you're just gonNA take charge of your own treatment now and I'm just going to tell listeners that this is a fascinating part of the story in the book. What we really see as you going through some detective work. I mean it's almost like Sherlock Holmes thing and it's a little too long and involved to get through all of it here but in the book you can follow it You managed to look back at your own history of the disease. Get all the records from all the hospitals. You've been to even specimens might that might still exist and you come up with something you want to just describe what you did in Layman's terms. Sure so just as you said. I had been collecting samples on myself blood samples and then also Lymph node tissue from a procedure during that relapse and This is now the fifth time that I was dying in the hospital that I spent weeks in the hospital with multi organ failure And I didn't know if I would survive in fact I didn't think I would but I knew that if I did survive that I would need these samples because I would need to be able to use the samples From when I was sick to try to find some they could be saved my life. The biggest difference between this fifth time I nearly died in the previous four times. Is that at this stage? I was I was engaged and I had the ultimate date in mind which was our wedding. Date may twenty fourth two thousand fourteen in mind as the driver to say. I need to find something failed to respond to all these drugs. There's nothing left for me but I have to make it to May twenty fourth twenty fourteen and so thankfully the combination of seven. Chemotherapy saved my life and when I got out of the hospital I was able to go back to all those samples. I'd been storing on myself and performed a series of experiments. Where from within my experiments. I found this pattern that suggested this. One communication line in the immune system called the tour. Pathway was highly activated. And what was so exciting about? Finding this communication line turned on is that there is a drug that was developed thirty years ago. That's really good at turning it off. It's called serialize. And just knowing that this pathway was on did not guarantee that blocking it would work and that taking this drug would save my life. In fact the immune system is a very finicky system and basically turning off this communication line could have actually caused even more problems. No one knew because this drug had never been given to a castleman disease patient before but really knowing that I needed to try something if I wanted to make it to our wedding date I decided to to take the leap of faith and to start taking. This drug is the first patient with my disease. Ever to take zero Lima Back in early twenty fourteen and amazingly thankfully I was able to make it onto. Caitlyn is wedding date and you wouldn't think this is too important Dave but but my hair grew back just in time and it was still very short. It looked like a buzz cut but that was actually really really important to us. I I wanted on my wedding day to just look like Dave and to not to not have that external reminder of the bald head from chemotherapy so it was really special that that I had my hair back on my wedding day. So this is amazing. I mean you discover that this pattern by looking at your own records and specimens carefully. There's this cellular communication line and there's a drug which can treat it so it works and so it's been how long since you've had an attack that you've been on this drug it's been seventy six point two six months since my last relapse and I say seventy six point two six months because I literally keep track of it daily and because I realized that I can't round up I don't know if I'm GonNa make it to seventy seven months but I also refuse to round down. My team and my family supported me so much to be able to make it to where. I am so so at seventy six point two six months so this drug shirl was like hiding in plain sight. I think that's a good way to describe it. It was already. Fda approved it was sitting in every pharmacy that I had ever walked past during the first three and a half years of my illness. It took the work that my colleagues and I did the collaborative network the crowd sourcing to be able to figure this drug out as a potential solution. And now we've we've given it to other castle men's patients and we have a clinical trial. Open right now now this off label use of FDA APPROVED. Drugs can be terrific. It's it's also a controversial right. I mean we had the president suggesting that people who have covered nineteen tri hydroxy chloride quinton and there was in fact a story Monday in in the Philadelphia Inquirer about nursing homes in Pennsylvania that had been widely Treating its nursing home patients with drugs. Chloroquine what sort of rules governed the use of these kinds of things when you wanted to use tear. Elijah's for Casselman. Did you need some approval in order to us? So it's actually quite interesting. The off label drug use landscape so once a drug it's approved by the FDA for one disease it can then be prescribed for any disease that a doctor wants to prescribe that drug for so once it gets at initial indication. I it can be used in many ways. There are no restrictions that the FDA or any other governing bodies put on what you can use drugs for. The biggest relocating step is whether it will get paid for so whether the Insurance Company will say Oh sure. I will pay to have misused for castle. Men's even though it's never been used before for castleman disease so it comes down to whether it will actually get paid for most of the time insurance companies will say. Wait a minute. This has never been used before. There's no data to pay for it. But if you can make the case to the insurance company to the pair that this drug has a rationale for white may work It is a safe drug and it's potentially less expensive than the alternative and in my case that was months long hospitalizations chemotherapy that extremely expensive. Then sometimes the payer will agree to pay for that particular drug. What's really unfortunate? Is that when drugs are used off? Label? There is no sort of tracking system to track whether they work or don't work and currently estimates as high as thirty percent of all prescription drugs or actually for awfully will uses so. There is a lot of off label. Prescription writing occurs. Unfortunately there's no sorta systematic tracking when things work when things don't work and as a result you're constantly in a state of limited data and I think that's why we are all such big proponents for randomized control trials so if drugs are used off label we need to track them systematically and we have to make sure that that that doesn't get in the way of doing really really well controlled clinical trials to prove whether these drugs really work or not. Now people are GonNa know because of the network that you've established people who who are interested in castle will know about civilized and its effect on. You. This does not it as it turns out represented a cure for everyone with casselman. Does it? That's right So up until now there have been more ran. Twenty or twenty five castleman disease patients that have been treated with zero and about one third of those patients have improved and so unfortunately two-thirds have not. I think about patients like Joey who was dying in ICU. At a children's Hospital Children's Hospital Philadelphia right next to next door to us. You had this miraculous response to Sierra Linus Which was amazing and I think about patients like Leeson Colorado who didn't respond to first or second line therapy and didn't respond to rely passed away and it's patients like Lisa the that we think about all the time it. We're we're thrilled for the patients like Joey but we really really work day in day out for the patients like Lisa where this doesn't work Because it's helped to save some of us but they're still many of us that that need solutions they're about five thousand patients diagnosed each year in the US with castleman disease and and not only do these drugs. Have Important Relevance obviously for us with Castleman disease but actually the of kind storm and what's happening in patients with castleman disease is almost identical to the side of kind storm that we're seeing cove in nineteen in many of these drugs that we're using castlemed. These have now become drugs. That were using against covered. Nineteen David Fagin. Bombs Book is chasing my cure. Doctors raised to turn hope into action. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air. We're spending more time at home than ever before. So now's a great time to finally adopted dog right. Socialization is going to be harder because socialization and social distancing a are definitely at odds so before you decide to adopt a canine companion quarantine. Listen and subscribe to. Npr's life kit. We're speaking with Dr David Fagin Bauman Assistant Professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. His new book is about his battle with an obscure but deadly illness castleman disease and his decision to search for a treatment himself by building an organization to effectively crowd source medical experience and research about the illness from around the world. His book is called. Chasing my cure so the collaborative that you formed to try and share information leads about treating. Casselman is now focused on Kovin. Nineteen th this is obviously an urgent public health matter. Did you see similarities between castleman disease and cove nineteen? That made this a good fit. That's right so early. On in this pandemic it became clear that the most deadly aspects of Kobe nineteen is actually the site kind storm that the virus ignites and this kind storm. That ignites is almost identical. You WanNa you WANNA explain. What kind is sure? Society kinds are proteins that your immune system releases to help both fight off infections but also to communicate you other immune cells to to basically ramp up get activated and to go into a a fight mode and so in castleman disease. They're a very very high levels of these signs. Which cause our immune systems to get out of control and attack our vital organs. Exact same thing happens in cove in nineteen zero. There's the virus appears and when the virus is there the immune system begins to attack it by producing these kinds. But actually it's the high level of cited kinds that cause all of the organ damage in the deadliness of the virus. It's not actually the virus itself and so with this similarity between the very basic mechanism. What drives the deadliness of Kevin? Nineteen is almost identical to what makes castleman disease deadly. It's these cited kind storm that was one aspect of it. The second is that we know that drug repurposing is our best shot at identifying a drug that can help patients in the short term. So a drug. That's either already. Fda approved or a drug that is maybe experimental but not yet approved for anything that could be re purposed for Kevin Nineteen. We knew that was our best shot. And Dave I found myself in early March thinking to myself. I really hope that some research group out there that has experienced studying site kind storms and has experienced doing drug repurposing will follow our blueprint and searched for drugs. It can be re purposed against society kind storm and a sitting there hoping that someone would do it and then I realized that I needed to listen to my own advice. And that if I'm going to hope that some research lab out there that has experienced cytokine storms and repurposing would turn their effort towards this then. I need to turn my effort towards this. This is what we've been doing to chase my cure for these years and we felt like we needed to do what we could in the fight against cove in nineteen. So what exactly did the network do sure so? We really taken this problem on from two angles again similar to the path that we took identify drug for me and further castle patients. The first is is recognizing that if you're going to do any drug repurposing if drugs are going to be tried against a disease you have to systematically track every use of every drug to see whether it works and whether it doesn't work I mean you can basically think about the state that we're in right now with the doctors are trying all kinds of things. Hydroxy Corcoran Rendez. Aveer and many other drugs yet. There's no system in place to track what's working and what's not working and so recognizing that this wasn't being done. We decided to build a database. What we called the Corona Database Cova Nineteen Registry of off label and new agents. So it's a database to track all of the drugs that have been used against cove in nineteen to date. Because we want to know everything that's been tried and we want to see what's working and what's not working and amazingly almost one hundred and fifty different drugs have already been tried against Kevin Nineteen and of course we hear about A handful of them but there are a lot of others that have already been tried as well and so we've created this giant database on from right. Now it's over eleven thousand patients and growing To collect data on every drug. That's been used and so that we can really dig into what's working. What's not working and the second part of this equation is that you want to track what's being used but then you also want to piece together all of the data. That's emerging from labs around the world to try to map out. What are maybe some new drugs that we could start trying to use what are some new pathways from all of this data that we start going after and interestingly from the state of we're finding signals that are that are casselman like basically a number of other features that we're seeing in the cove in nineteen data These same features we see in castleman disease and one of the most promising drugs. That's currently undergoing randomized controlled. Trial is a drug called totalism. Tesla'S NAB was developed thirty years ago by a CASSELMAN DR A friend of mine in Gaza Yoshizaki and Amazingly early on in this cove in nineteen epidemic. It became clear that this particular site kind interleukin six is actually very very elevated in the most sick Cova patients and people started trying totalism APP and so this drug Is now being studied through a number of randomized control trials but this directive four castleman disease years ago is now being re purposed against Kevin Nineteen and one of our most promising drugs on our list I read that you're the the team in your network Scoured over twenty five hundred published papers already. So there's a lot of information out there if someone can manage to collected and draw meaning from it so you've found this one drug Tosa Lizama might be promising. Will you get attention? I mean they're just zillions of words published every day about this epidemic and treatments Are you concerned that that your work might get overlooked? You know what we really want to do with this run. A project is to map out everything that's being tried to put in one place. All of the studies that are being published all of the data on every drug. That's being tried so that other people can go to it and they can kind of decide for themselves. What looks promising. And what doesn't we didn't build this to say. This is the drug and that's not drug. We say this is where all the data is. If anyone wants to use the data we have this very data I approach. Anyone can use the data and from our perspective. We WanNA use the data to determine into prioritize. What drugs should go on clinical trials? So the fact is is that this drug is already being studied in randomized controlled trials. And that's all that we can really ask for. We want to use the database to say what's being given what looks really promising and what should go forward to randomized controlled trial. We don't want to use the database to say this drug should be given her. That drugs should not be given so we're hopeful and actually we put together a paper based on our first Passive analyses at the data and recently received favorable reviews hoping that that'll get published appear review journal shortly And that we will be able to get the word out about this database But the goal is not to say. This is the drug that everyone should be on the goals. Say these are the promising drugs. Let's make sure that we don't forget anything along the way because you're right. I think that we all have a tendency to jump on every major drug every major headline but we need to. We need to keep an eye on all the drugs. That are being tried. And make sure that we're doing this really systematically we'll David Feigenbaum who wish you continued good health of thanks so much for speaking with us. Thanks so much pavin me. David Fagan. Bom Is an assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and Executive Director of the Castleman Disease Collaborative Network. His Book is chasing my cure doctors race to turn hope into action coming up Maureen Corrigan reviews. Benjamin Taylor's memoir about his friendship with Philip Roth. This is fresh air a rabbi an Arab and a comedian always cove in nineteen walk into a luxury hotel it was Zimba class. Old Young religious secular Arab Jewish was like where am I? It's the hotel corona on NPR's rough translation support for NPR. Comes from whyy presenting the podcast? Eleanor amplified and adventure series. Kids love here reporter. Eleanor Atwood crafty villains and solve mysteries as she travels the globe to get the big story available where you get podcasts. Or AT WHYY. Dot Org. Benjamin Taylor says his close friend Phillip. Roth told him years ago. We've laughed so hard. Maybe we should write a book about our friendship. Taylor took that suggestion and the result is his new memoir about his friendship with Roth called here. We are book critic. Maureen Corrigan has a review. Imagine what Philip Roth would have made of this. That's what I said to my husband last month or was it two months ago during our extended families. I ever Zoom Passover Seder. We were the virtual hosts and so we watched as in groups or singly. Family members materialized in their little Hollywood squares cubes. The little kids waved and held up plastic frogs and locusts. While some of the older folks squinted into their laptops and fiddled with the audio or press the wrong icon and vanished for awhile altogether several times the service was delayed by anxious phone calls from senior family members requesting emergency tech support in mixed marriage fashion. My husband and I took advantage of the situation and made ourselves Seder cups of Gin and tonic. Instead of manage Schevitz everyone genially agreed that the important thing about this shambling service was being together had Phillip. Roth lived long enough to witness pandemic Passover on zoom. He would have been merciless. Roth died in twenty eighteen leaving thirty one books behind. Like other Roth lovers. I will always want more then. Jamin Taylor's new memoir cold here. We are temporarily eases loss by giving us more of roths voice in Conversation Brilliant Profane and so very funny Taylor was one of roths closest friends during the last decades of his life. In fact Roth dedicated his two thousand seven novel. Exit Ghost to Taylor. Twenty years younger gay and himself an accomplished memoirs to novelist. Taylor assumes the role of Boswell to roths Dr Johnson with ease. He's always aware but only occasionally irritated. That Philip Roth is Phillip Roth. And he's not at the outset of here. We Are Taylor tells us we spent thousands of hours in each other's company. He was fully half my life. I cannot hope for another such friend to talk. Daily with someone of such gifts had been a salvation along with their conversations. In here we are Taylor summons up anecdotes and clear eyed assessments of what made Roth Tick. There's an appealing quality of randomness to the slim memoir. That makes it feel like we're tagging along with the two friends on their constant walks talks and dinners in the dive restaurants. Roth preferred on the upper west side. Where anything could come up. Sometimes even big revelations Taylor says that after Roth announced his retirement from writing in twenty twelve he stopped making art but he still wrote producing a manuscript of over a thousand pages. Whose purpose was to air grudge after grudge. Taylor comments that the underside of roths greatness swarmed with grievances time had not assuaged Taylor also recounts some of Roths health struggles. Among other things he suffered from back and heart problems Taylor recalls one particular trip to the hospital with Roth where they jumped into a cab. The aggressively flatulent driver had rush limbaugh on at top volume. Roth pain turned to Taylor and asked are we. We'd be spared nothing. There's that voice. Dry droll delighting in the human comedy and resigned to sometimes being the butt of its ongoing jokes. The greatest pleasure of here we are is hearing roths voice again new especially when he's talking about his writing at one point in their conversations. Roth says to tailor that what he cares about his work is in vigils. Enmeshed in some nexus of particulars philosophical. Generalization is completely alien to me all my brain power has to do with specificity. Wouldn't know what to do with a general idea. If it were hand delivered would try to catch the Phoenix man. Before he left the driveway wrong address. Pow big ideas. No thanks about his development as a novelist from his one thousand nine hundred thousand nine debut in Goodbye Columbus to Portnoy's complaint which was published in nineteen sixty. Nine Roth confesses. Oh I wanted to be literary wanted to be influenced there were Flaubert and Henry James Dreicer and Sherwood Anderson but I discovered I was not a gloomy but a raucous talent. And that's the story of Portnoy's complaint a full-scale force with which to answer the abominations of time assassinations cities a fire the nightly news from Southeast Asia. I flung my harmless obscenities back at the world historical ones. That last line stopped me cold and made me sorely missed the presence of Philip Roth in our world. What an epic. Roth might have written flinging zoom Seder's sheltering in place Lysol and toilet paper against our present world historical obscenities Maureen Corrigan literature at Georgetown University. She reviewed here. We are my friendship with Philip. Roth by Benjamin Taylor on tomorrow's show what we can learn from the nineteen eighteen influenza outbreak the deadliest pandemic in history. We talk with John Berry. Lose two thousand four book. The great influenza is on the current bestseller list. He Co wrote a report on the future of the Kovic teen pandemic and lessons learned from the influenza pandemic. I hope you join us. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our Technical Director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. We had additional engineering today from my fillers. Our interviews and reviews are produced an edited by. Amy Salad Myers Sam brigger. Lauren Transall Heidi Soman Theresa Madden Moods. Eighty pay challenor Kelly. Our associate producer of digital media. Is Molly Seavy Nesper? Roberta shorrock directs the show for Terry Gross. I'm David
The Sunday Read: The Ghost Writer
"Back in february. I was in portsmouth. Virginia at the home of literary biographer blake bailey. After we had dinner. I asked him if i could see the papers. He thought about it for a second and then he said sure so. He took me up to his third floor where i saw these built in filing cabinets and inside the cabinets hundreds of manila envelopes with thousands of white pages inside them notebooks manuscripts letters. These were the papers phillip roth. I couldn't help but ask bailey. Can i hold them. And when he gave me some of the pages to hold what i thought was i might be the last new person to even see these papers. White bailey. just written. Philip broths biography and now that he was done. Many of these papers would be destroyed at ross own request. My name's mark oppenheimer. And i write for the new york times magazine blake. Bailey spent six years with the roth papers. He read and reread roths. Thirty one books. He called all the broths friends family acquaintances. It almost hurts to imagine the effort of piecing together another writer's life but this is what does he writes big definitive biographies of major american writers. Like richard gates john cheever. And now roth phillip. Roth was a literary superstar for what seemed like forever from his debut back. When eisenhower was president right up to his death three years ago he was also one of the last celebrity writers people cared about his private life and his protagonists looked and acted a lot. Like roth himself. Oversexed bachelor's secular jews neurotic intellectuals from new jersey yet. His entire life denied that his fiction about him. He worried that his legacy would be wrapped up in his fictional characters. So we tried to control that legacy. He wanted a biographer but he couldn't decide on the right one he even fired a couple. Phillip roth was looking for a writer who would understand his version of the truth. So here's my story. The ghost rider read by duardo ballerini. This was recorded by autumn autumn. As an app you can download to listen to lots of audience stories from publishers such as the new york times the new yorker vanity fair and the atlantic philip roth who stopped writing in two thousand ten and died eight years later at age. Eighty five was not sure if he wanted to be the subject of a biography he was the narrator of his story. King of zits flash. Ralph sat at his desk banging out his legacy three hundred forty days a year starting in his early twenties returning in over thirty books two protagonists who resembled him. A son of newark secular jew younger brother and childless bachelor. Free to indulge his ego and appetites in a country without pokes in two senses. His legacy would be the writing he never had children. So books would be all that would survive. Him and his life was there between all those covers. He insisted that his work. Now be read as autobiography but roth made a career out of d'appel ganger in authorities standings an ongoing game of hide and seek with readers in the nineteen ninety-three novel operation shylock. A character named philip. Roth travels to israel to confront a look alike named philip. Roth who was middle east peace plans or pretending to be the real roth. He brackets is nineteen eighty-eight memoirs the facts one of his few works of ostensible nonfiction with letters to and from nathan zukerman. His fictional alter ego when embarking on the facts. He wrote that he was trying memoir because he was tired of the makeup and the false whiskers in the whig of fiction and implicit confession that he was always lurking just beneath his characters in the end. Roth decided on a biography because he wanted to be known his fiction courted misunderstand but he was wounded when misunderstood though living in rural connecticut. Got him tagged as a recluse. Roth was a compulsive connector. Always pressing himself on people seducing them after his death the novelist nicole krauss wrote of the sincerity. Absorption with which he listen calling him the most generous one could hope to have a group. He was a kind of a mimic. A gentle teaser. A raconteur the embodiment of what cds smith another friend. His old age called literatures audience. Spirit so full of people and stories and laughter and history and sex and fury here was famous controversial list. We needed to be like or failing that to be right. He had scores to settle with ex wives and not. Incidentally an ex biographer by twenty twelve. When roth gave blake bailey access to his papers friends little black book. Innermost thoughts. Roth parted ways. With two previous biographers. Courted and other and threatened to sue third but bailey would appeal to roth with a sympathetic ear and a brazen request for the job persuaded the aging author on april. Sixth w w norton is publishing. Phillip roth the biography. It is the fourth biography of american writer by bailey. A former public school teacher was become one of the great chroniclers of this country's literary lives in two thousand three. He a tragic honesty. The life and work of richard yates which helped earn the author of revolutionary road. The fame that eluded him during a long poor drunken life six years later. Bailey returned with a biography of another mid-century drunk of gargantuan talent. John cheever when bailey medoff had just finished work on his biography of the lost weekend author. Charles jackson whose aptly titled nineteen ninety-four novel drew on his personal knowledge of blackout. Alcoholism early in their courtship. Roth asked to bailey. Do you ever write about people who aren't constantly drunk or dead bailey replied you would be my first in the literary world. Authorized and unauthorized are both terms of appropriate. An authorized biography written with the cooperation of the subject or her estate is presumed be cozy and flattering and unauthorized biography. Gossipy and salacious bailey's books are authorized. People use authorized as a disparaging label. Meaning that you're under the thumb of the subject or the estate bailey told me that was not my agreement. Bailey insisted on the same terms. He gave the yates cheever families. He would need free and complete access to roth his papers all of roth's friends and family and anyone else even potentially unsympathetic people. Roth agreed his cooperation had the last gasp urgency of one who had the end in sight. But it was not without an era of seduction when wooing lovers friends and colleagues. His strategy was to alternate cruelty and abundant kindness with baileigh. Roth flashed his gentle side becoming as forthcoming with baileigh as he been withholding with other would-be biographers for the last six years of his life. He answered all questions often. With multi-page letters constantly called the bailey and handed over documents that his literary executors may never permitted anybody else to see. Roth knew what kind of biography he wanted. And after fighting other collaborators for years he smothered bailey with attention charmed him and offered the warmth reserved for intimates. He played easy to get hoping to get something in return his version of the truth. I in february. I visited bailey at his house in the historic district of portsmouth virginia. A quick walk from the banks of the elizabeth river near the mouth of chesapeake bay. We sat in his living room eating pizza and talking at a covert safe distance. The wes anderson collection matt zoller sites is richly illustrated book about the movie directors. Work sat on the coffee table. Bailey's house had an anderson esque. Disablement an analog feel there were books everywhere and no. tv insight in the room behind me had a baby grand piano which plays after many a hard day of writing bailey. His wife and their sixteen year old daughter share their house with the beagle and a cat. That was nowhere to be seen after dinner. Swivelled around in one of ralph's old eames chairs. Which bailey had inherited the chairs autumn and was known as nicole's seat as in a close friend who sat there when she visited roth when i asked to see the roth papers. Bailey took me to the third floor where he opened the cabinets lining the wall outside his study. Saw hundreds of manila folder stuffed with archival material. Bailey must turn the papers over to ross literary executors andrew. Wylie his agent and julia gone. You're a lover and then a close friend who may or may not destroy them. Bailey also had copies of documents held at princeton university where they were open to the public until two thousand nineteen the archive was closed and the description of its contents taken off the web at wylie's behest beholding. Six years of accumulated research into one. Man's life is like coming upon a finished jigsaw puzzle covering a ballroom floor awesome but it hurts to imagine effort researching a writer's life is slow. Work makes of shoe leather reporting and endless archival research. Bailey read most of ross books multiple times hundreds of hours labor. You have to be able to cold call people as if you were trying to sell insurance bailey sent. I can do the social persona and i can enjoy it but i'm just as happy not talking to another living soul for weeks at a time. That is a good combination for biographer. Bailey's archivist tendencies have resulted in a book that is exhaustive in its attention to the details of routes life everything from the drudgery of his army service in the mid nineteen fifties to his disastrous marriages to a struggle with mental illness. The book has often sympathetic presenting roth as a figure lived a life of equal parts discipline. The famed work routine that treated writing as a miracle. Out of mukesh labor and exuberance enjoys one traced with if a gardener and rejects and other with jackie kennedy we are thrust into the minutiae of the writers finances. Feuds and psychoanalysis the figure that emerges is a man capable of great kindness irrational grudges and casual cruelty. There aren't many writers like bailey in american culture or literary biography as an anemic tradition to the best of anyone's knowledge. Rachel do nadia wrote in the times book review in two thousand seven. No biography was underway for cormac mccarthy l. Dr don delillo. Tony morrison thomas pinson salman rushdie or john updike since then only updike has been the subject of a major biography besides bailey and a handful of others like roth. Friend judith thurman biographer of isaq denison and colette. Few americans do great work in this genre. In britain. by contrast writers like clare. Tomlinson biographer of dickens. Michael holroyd biographer of shaw and her miami lee. Biographer of wolf are widely praised. Britain's care about their writers in a blessedly prurient way and they want to read about their lives. When in nineteen ninety-four martin amos left his agent for a newer flashier. One andrew wile e incidentally the british tabloids swarmed the sex life or lack thereof of the poet. Philip larkin was of national concern in the united states. By contrast roth is one of few writers whose lives have excited a high level of gossip. What do you know of jonathon franz. Private life lorrie. Moore's we take our writers seriously which means elevating their work above their lives. It is not surprising then that it would fall to a failed novelist to tell our national literary biographical story born oklahoma nineteen sixty three. Bailey aspire to an acting career until as a sixteen year old on his way to audition for the matt. Dillon movie tex. He read the great gatsby by the time he arrived. He had decided that acting seemed pretty silly ambition. He flopped the audition after graduating from two lane. Bailey eventually landed a job. Teaching middle school in new orleans tried his hand at fiction and discovered and admiration. for frederick. Actually i was feeling bailey writes in his two thousand fourteen memoirs the splendid things. We planned a keen affinity for actually with his alcoholism. His morbid interest in sports his contempt for the workaday world the whole narcissistic juvenile worl-. He wanted to be richard. Yates not right about richard. Yates his first agent. Elizabeth kaplan told me but his only success had been with nonfiction most notably spy magazine article. About how the revlon tycoon. Perlman's wife at the time terrorized her home contractors bride me of proposal. He recalled kaplan telling him about something that interests you intensely. What really interested me at that moment. In time was richard. Yates in nineteen ninety. Nine bailey found. Yates middle daughter monica. Who likes the bailey wasn't an academic. She held professors responsible for her father's ignominy. She cooperated with bailey and he got a book deal as it happened. Revolutionary road was already scheduled to be reissued in april. Two thousand and bailey's publisher wanted his biography to benefit from. What had hoped would be gates. Resurgence i signed the contract in late. January two thousand one and i was given until march fifteenth. Two thousand two to research and write the book. Bailey said for the next fourteen months. I spent every waking hour except when i was eating or defecating. Doing yates a tragic honesty. The life and work of richard yates was published in july. Two thousand three as he hates climbed out of the grave and into the literary canon bailey's biography was lauded for finding the narrative tension in the writing life which in yates is case involve living alone in poverty. Smoking in typing all day. The knocking off the bar. The book became a finalist for that year's national book. Critics circle award in biography. Bailey was a schoolteacher. No more. After the critic janet maslin raved about the eighth biography and the times her husband the writer. Benjamin cheever took daily to dinner and asked if he might want to write about his father john. Bailey said yes and the cheever. Biography was published in two thousand nine. Roth was about to publish his final novel. And despairing finding yet another biographer. Read it admiringly. I think phillip chose blake because he had read blake's life of cheever and thought it was superb said benjamin taylor roths close friend one of his medical proxies and the author of here. We are my friendship with philip. Roth i remember his saying to me after reading the cheever book. He doesn't judge his protagonist. He just lets them perform. Behave misbehave what every chooses to do. But there's no moralistic overly and he said that is the kind of moral latitude. I needed a biography or as bailey. Put it cheever is laid out on his ass in my book but cheever remains essentially a sympathetic character. Roth hope for similar alchemy. If you tell the whole truth about a person their humanity comes through. Bailey said philip believed. That would be true for him. Support for this podcast. And the following message come from a trade a- bald eagle isn't bald a shooting star isn't a star and each trade isn't just for trading. There's lots of ways to put your money to work with the trade from saving for retirement to starting to invest and they have a team of financial professionals to give you support. So you can be confident. You're money is working hard for you to get started today. Visit eatright dot com slash the daily for more information each rate security is member typic- a nine hundred ninety six brought ex wife. The english actress. Claire bloom published leaving a doll's house. The memoir includes a fairly nuanced account of a romance combat with enough blame to go around but critics and readers concluded that roth was a gas lighting emotionally abusive partner. His first response was to write. Notes for my biographer. A book length. Reply that he sold to the publisher houghton mifflin. His next move was to find a biographer. I thought someone's got to correct this story or this is going to be the story. He later told bailey. Roth i asked. Ross miller an english professor at the university of connecticut and a close friend would read drafts of his books and progress and edited the library of america addition of his collected works. Poorly and ross estimation roth tried to go straight material for which miller was responsible roth wanted a flattering book and he hoped miller would make up in loyalty what he lacked in brilliance. But according to ralph miller was only intermittently engaged and by the time off took him off the case for good in two thousand nine he had apparently interviewed. Only eleven of ross acquaintances on. Roth listened to tapes of the interviews. He was so horrified by what. He considered miller's inept technique that he wrote another defensive manuscript a never published attack miller he called notes on a slender monger. Their friendship ended bitterly. An roth railed against miller to his last day. Miller declined to comment. When i asked why if the state would sue miller for talking to me he said. I really don't want to go into that but it is not an unreasonable fear. And twenty eleven. Roth paid over sixty thousand dollars in lawyer's fees to force irony del an american academic who teaches in canada to delete one sentence which said that roth had anxieties about being emotionally engulfed by a woman referring to the longtime girlfriend. Who was the basis for drinker. These sexually liberated mistress in sabah's theater from his critical companion to philip roth. They dell was planning a biography and wiley informed him that he could not quote from. Ross work and that nobody close to ralph. Would ever cooperate with him. Sick of miller and contemptuous of needle. whose own roth. Biography paints him as terrified of intimacy and was published last month. Roth kept up the hunt. He talked with stanford professor. Stephen zippers team. Who says he decided against writing an authorized biography. Though he's now writing his own roth biography and twenty ten. He engaged her mind. He li the biographer of wolf and warton but he soon regretted that choice. It graded on him. That you could not start until finishing her book on penelope fitzgerald though she'd been upfront about that operation and there was something else he did not want to be remembered throughout posterity as a person who didn't like women a writer close to roth told me and he thought that was going to happen if he had a feminist biographer in two thousand twelve while we thought she and roth were still betrothed. Bailey emailed roth after learning from the writer. James atlas another. Ross ex friends. That roth and miller were kaput. Atlas seems not to have known about the arrangement with lee. Who would not speak with me saying that. Her head is full of tom stoppard. Now from the time he heard ross might be looking. For a biographer. Bailey wanted the job it was the ideal conference he said of ross availability on his admiring. Ross work enormously and from a very young age broth invited bailey to his new york apartment then for a second meeting at his connecticut house on the upper west side. I asked bailey. Why gentile from. Oklahoma should write his biography. Bailey swift rejoinder. I'm not a bisexual alcoholic with an ancient puritan lineage. But i managed to write a biography of john. Cheever roth was pleased with his new man. It already cancelled. Publication of notes. For my biographer mass. Friends to return their copies bailey. Got a copy of that manuscript along with notes on a slander. Munger and much. More eighteen months after the biography is published. Bailey must return everything to the roth estate. According to their agreement julia collier. The co executor told me that when the papers come back she and wiley will decide based on their understanding of roth wishes what to destroy. And what to add to the roth archives at the library of congress. When i asked about notes for my biographer and notes on a slender monger in effect ross. Two unpublished books. She said there is a good chance. We will destroy them. Andrew and i will decide when the time comes. Forty-eight passes in bailey's phillip roth. The biography are sourced to notes from my biographer. They tend to deal with criticisms from claire bloom. Many of the passages are anodyne and some are complementary. Roth believed his ex wife was actual writer. For example only eighteen passages are source to on a slander munger. The unseen manuscripts may not be exclusive. But they are surely interest dealing as they do with what might be seen as the two great divorces of roths life. After the end of his early first marriage his splits from bloom and miller. And it's unclear. What other copies of these manuscripts exist. When i asked ralph friend. Claudia roth pierpont author of roth unbound. A writer and his books twenty thirteen if she had one. she seemed to squirm. There are copies around. I do not copies of these documents. Live in bailey's cabinet for now and a copy of slander. Monger is locked up at princeton. Part of benjamin taylor's collection of roth papers which he sold to the university in two thousand eighteen the following year while got the university to close the papers on taylor. Himself was unsure when or if princeton would reopen the archive. A princeton spokesman said the university was in ongoing discussions with roth representatives. Neither wiley nor the roth states lawyer. Pearly h grimes. Junior would comment it. Seems routes life force has outlived his life. Cajoling and coursing from the grave. He moulders but there was in his orbits keep respecting his wishes or maintaining. Respectful silences for roth scholars. There will always be the nagging frustration. That one man alone got to see the full rav of the unpublished writings as well as what lives on in bookstores. it's access biography. Raged jacques berliner blau a georgetown professor. Who book the philip roth. We don't know sex race and autobiography will be published in september full access to the papers and then they'd be burned. That would be a shame. Miller was an important early reader on ross novels of the nineteen eighties and nineties and given how much of the public perception of roth has turned on bloom's book that feels as if that jury will be hung forever is also the only man to have read a one hundred one page remembrance written for bayley by the woman on whom roth based drinker. Bailey was only permitted to read the remembrance in her presence. She wouldn't even let me take it to the bathroom bailey. Said he has no idea what the woman who is ross partner longer than anyone else including his wives will do with her manuscript which describes a somewhat darker than drank has lover mickey sabbath the sex and sabbath was largely fund. Bailey wrote to me or as hurry telling was all about philip. Say expecting her to listen while he jerked off on the phone in london and she sat there in connecticut with patients. Waiting outside the door. For physical therapy office the roth who emerges from bailey's research could be callous to friends enemies and lovers alike. He blithely used other people's lives as material for his books when they objected as the novelist and devoted men. T ellen lull. Did roth was unrepentant. He was a maestro of fallings out with lull shook atlas and of course miller it could be emotionally demanding and a sense of entitlement. Overwhelmed has compassion for others. He acted as a needy man child. He often demanded that bloom. Spend time with him at the expense of teenage daughter an rather than face shortcomings. E clung to a myopic perspective on the friction. He helped cons referring to anna in correspondence as a great pain in the ass without acknowledging his role in the family conflict. Version of ross. A man of robust sexual appetite a searing sense of victimhood unrelenting fury and a limited capacity for empathy does seem reminiscent of his most insatiable characters portnoy zukerman and sabbath. Come to mind paul. Roth was not writing autobiography. It seems true that he mind his own shortcomings floor and processed his turbulent life through fiction and ten tonnes unfurling own limitations and the only way he knew how the only language he possessed knowing that bailey would write about all of this roth hardly resisted one of the few rows he and bailey had was over. The granting of a pseudonym to the model for drinker felt that she had maligned him in conversations with bloom and bailey and he did not want her to hide behind anonymity in the biography. I reminded philip that he was not in a position to make such demands. Bailey sent and we put it behind us. Could it have been that as a writer. He knew what was needed that if his great fear was being forgotten that is the great fear of all writers. He had to be interesting rather than simply admirable. He got to be remembered as a man hilarious. Curiel genuinely kind but fickle and mean spirited to a man rather than an inert legacy parts of it would have mortified him. Of course bailey told me but finally he would recognize that his ideal could only be realized if he wrote the biography himself. Which of course in a better world was exactly what he wanted. What makes your morning a good morning. No matter what your routine entails one thing rings true. 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OA406: Fascism in Portland
"The. Guys are still under education restraints in order. I got from her. I've got to. Come by? Objection unlike that about selling to honor. I think legal terms are magic words that can force people to do what I want. Client has instructed me remind court how rich and important is that? He is lot like other men. Welcome to opening arguments a podcast that pairs a comedian with a real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the law offices of the Andrew Torres. For entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice and does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. Hello and welcome and opening arguments. This is episode four hundred and six I'm Thomas that's Andrew Torres, Andrew, how you doing today. I am doing fantastic Thomas. How're you doing great I hear you picked up another specialization in fascism law. Weekend Yeah Yeah, we, we were talking about the main segment for the show, which is explaining to everyone comprehensively. What's going on in Portland? What are the legal base? And why and I told you like I? I'm a little bit. You know I'm treading cautiously here. Right because this isn't. My area, replied whose area is. Like secret. Police, law and What was the course kind of outline in at old, Harvard Law for. Do you want to study stormtroopers in America? Yeah, I don't know what that would be. I guess yeah. Yeah I I. You know maybe I was out on the day in which we discussed secret efforts to subvert the constitution by sending. Federal, agents dressed up as the military to disrupt cities so I'm so blown away by this. It's truly scary stuff and I'm really glad that you've done the research. Because a lot of people. Especially you know in the facebook group by the way join that facebook group because you can post and make your voice heard, and then maybe Andrew will do segment on things. You say you know A. Lot of people wanted to know about this. Myself included because it's so hard as always to know what's real. What's fake? What's is something being exaggerated? But this just downright seems terrible I don't I'm not I? Don't know if there's going to be a good version of this and also if this is really what's going on. There are so many questions I have in terms of what we can do like. How are they even doing this? So that's going to be the main segment. We're GONNA be talking all about what's going on in Portland. The federal officers that are unmarked dragging people way into van. Crazy stuff so that's the world we're living in. You know what this episode feels like a parody that ally Bosnich would have done of our show back in two thousand sixteen like I thinking what it would be in twenty twenty I, we got the virus killing the entire planet. trump's sending federal troops to drag people away in Portland. This is this is a job. We're in a joke right now Andrew I. Just sorry. I'm having a bit of a crisis. Right Delic. We are in a joke from like two thousand fifteen. That's kind of what this show. Show feels like right. It feels like no, like Donald Trump. Didn't really send federal agents dressed in Cammo to go shoot at people. Haul them off the street and throw them into unmarked vans in American cities. Did he and the answer is yes. Yes, he did do that. And so that's terrifying There are a lot. There are a lot of silver linings here so when we get that story that there there there are a lot of good potential long range outcomes and I wanNA. Talk about those, but but yeah, we're GONNA. Walk you through everything. Everything that's going on in Portland all right well. This show is so action packed. We definitely don't have time for the four minutes. We've just been talking about that, but that's okay. We also don't have time to talk about some very important stuff like the executive order on the census want ut's that for us. We're going to break down the latest e Oh that was promulgated yesterday. That instructs that aliens not be counted during the census It is blatantly unconstitutional, and if you want to know, why, and if you want to see us, predicting the strategy in. In the wake of the Department of Commerce decision back in twenty, nineteen go listen to episode three Oh seven, which we will link in the show notes, but that explains how this is a part of trump's abusive, his powers of apportionment. It's something we predicted, and it is something that the incoming president will likely have to deal with so so put a pin in that. Go back and listen. We did about an hour on this a year ago, Yep. Go there to learn how he definitely shouldn't be getting away with this a year ago. That's. That's where. Episode Three Oh seven. Check it out. Okay, let's get to our first segment. down. down. DOWN TO LOW down. Do even introduce these things member. Those lunatics who waived their guns at peaceful black lives matter protesters in. A news update on them. Rush. Yeah, I have this as your moment in white privilege, and I mean that seriously right like we have. We have a liberal audience, but you know we get push back from our audience on things like white privilege and various social justice issues, and I can't think of a more clear application of that, then in the case of Mark and Patricia mccloskey, who were the these turbine list of the whiteboard which we can't say on the show. These are the folks who if you've been living under a rock watched as unarmed peaceful. Protesters marched through an open gate into their little gated community, which is called Portland Place, which has kind of an eerie resonance with the main segment in a suburb of Saint Louis and then these idiots went out on their porch. Brandished firearms right mark grabbed. A rifle appears to me I'm not a gun guy, but appears to be semiautomatic assault rifle and Patricia has a comically large handgun They are in violation of every national. Rifle Association approved safety. Protocol for how you handle firearms, right? She's got her finger on the trigger. Yeah, yes, I'd known as much as we're not. Fans of the NRA. At least they actually have some safety protocols. These nuts never follow correct. Simpson's episode rumors turning the light on an office. Shooting it right that kind of stuff, and if you're asking yourself boy, isn't it illegal to stand on your porch and wave guns? Hadn't he along the street? The answer to that is you Betcha asked that's illegal. Right like Lasagna Briley OUGHTA. Maybe yeah, no, no, no, no, even Florida even Florida I WanNa talk about that because Missouri like Florida has a stand your ground doctrine, right and and I'm gonNA explain how that. That's not a get out of jail free card here. I mean that literally. So section, five seventy, one point zero, three zero of the Missouri Revised Statutes defines the felony unlawful use of a weapon as when a person quote exhibits in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon, capable readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner. That's what they did right. You can't walk around and point a gun at somebody and the punishment is up to seven years in prison. Your honor. I submit to the court every single page of the Internet that has pictures and full video these skills doing that. Like? Difficulty improving what happened here? Let's go to item to nine, nine, nine, nine, seven, five, five, eight, seven, seven five. In the evidence, another picture of these doing this that went around the Internet, and also in addition to that felony unlawful use of firearm. Right like that's not a way. You can use your gun even in Missouri. That's the way to summarize. That's a good. Good bad way. You can use your gun even in Missouri. Yeah makes sense like this. You know as much as the standard ground. Laws are awful often like the idea that that means like you're playing freeze tag as long as you have your hand on base than you can threaten someone with a gun as much as you want I did make sense that that's not how that works, nor is it right? People have been tossing not any of our listeners, but idiots have been tossing around like. Oh, well, it's the second amendment and again the. The Second Amendment preserves your right to own a gun. Sometimes it preserves. You're right to carry that firearm. It does not preserve your right to pointed at people right? That's not a right that you have in the constitution so felony unlawful use of a weapon also misdemeanor assault, right that is when a person purposefully places another person in apprehension of immediate physical injury, and as you might imagine if you're a peaceful protest, are walking down the street, and a lunatic is aiming a rifle at you. That reasonably places you and apprehension of immediate physical injury. Possible sons their fifteen days in jail. Okay, the defense that these people have offered is the as you alluded to the stand your ground or castle doctrine, and let me explain what that doctrine which a- again it amends common-law ready changes, the Common Law Doctrine Leftover from Thirteenth Century Saxony, and it has to deal with self defense as an affirmative defense. Right so so here's how that plays out you shoot somebody or you assault, somebody, right or you batter somebody. You're definitely when you shoot somebody. You're definitely guilty of a crime that applies of having shot somebody whether it is murderer manslaughter, depending on the circumstances right, but you can offer as an affirmative defense that. That means that you as the as the defendant bear the burden of proving this by by a preponderance of the evidence, right fifty, one forty nine right, not beyond a reasonable doubt, the other way that you were defending yourself against imminent physical harm and that if accepted by the jury is a defense to the crime of hurting or killing somebody at common law in thirteenth. Century Saxony, when these were you know like peasants, dealing with knives and sticks and stuff there was an aspect of the of this kind of burden shifting going back and forth in self defense that that had to deal with what what is called the duty to retreat. And it is exactly what it sounds like right so basically what it says is you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, and then that was expanded to to defend others right to defend your family, and then to defend others but. The retreat doctrine was at the moment at which you are no longer in reasonable fear for your life or bodily injury to you or others around you, then you as the person had an affirmative duty to to retreat to leave the situation right, so think about like that in the classic kind of like Gritty. Drama bar fight, example right like guy in the bar comes after you with a knife. You can pull out your gun and shoot him. It's always a pool cue though. Or a pool cue would work. Right guy picks up a pool cue and comes after you. Getting Poku he's got a night I'm going to. Satisfy, the good guy usually pool cues over the head. It snaps very satisfying. The way in which self defense works, there is the assailant comes after you with a weapon, you can use deadly force in self defense, but now let's alter the circumstances a little bit suppose. The assailant comes after you with a knife. You pull your gun and go get Outta here with that stupid knife of yours. I've got a gun I'll shoot you dead. And then the guy in the bars like a bright man that were cool right, and then puts his knife away. Right puts it back in his she. Wherever they are keeping their knives. You can't shoot him at that point. That the self defense period has ended right, and you now have at common law. What is called a duty to retreat right? You've diffused the situation. You're not endanger of your life now. What the law says I think quite sensibly is. Why don't you get the hell out of the bar writing? And the reason for that is because something. We understood seven hundred years ago that. Maybe we've forgotten today is that maybe the law should encourage a resolution of situations. That is designed to minimize the potential that someone will wind up debt. Stand your ground. Laws eliminate that duty to retreat when you are particularly when you are on your own property and someone has transgressed into your home. That's why there's sometimes called the castle doctrine right? The idea man's home is his castle right, and so the idea is okay. It's reasonable to say you should retreat from the bar, but like when you're in your house, your. Your home is your. You don't have to retreat from your home right? And so what that means is, it is no longer it does not defeat the affirmative defense of self defense for the government to prove that the assailant was de escalating at that point, so put all of that together. That means if I show up at your house I break in I'm brandishing a weapon a knife. You pull out a gun I say all right. Yeah I'm done, and then I put the knife away home inspector. Beyond my way, yeah! Just checking the pipes last shark. At and this is where you get those cases of injustice that that would support an argument for you still shooting me right for you saying that the original fear of having broken into your home didn't wear off. You had no duty to retreat and and that's where the doctrine comes into play in creates. These kinds of you know sort of. Bad results be. Sorry. You're saying this is. This is no longer common law, right? You're just saying this is stand your ground jurisdictions. This is this is proud. That applies stretch. The principles of common law to kind of get to that result Kinda to set. Yeah, they've explicitly amended right Oh. They've said look. This is the rule that would apply right. If we had no law, you would have a duty to retreat, but in your home. We've now passed a law that says in your home. You don't have a duty to retreat, and that's how it comes into play, and that's how state your ground laws can be used offensively right, but but but again they they still begin with the. The initial act of the person whom you're shooting in extended self dissenting was hard to believe that that would also apply to standing outside your house, pointing guns at a peaceful protest. It doesn't right so so you've identified the stand. Your ground here does not apply for two reasons number one, because while the protesters were on a private street. Right that is they were in a gated community, and so the streets were not owned by the federal government. They're not public property, but they were not the mccloskey's property right. They were not on. You know in the mccloskey's castle so to speak. They made no effort to transgress Don Castle by the way it right. So that's the I think, but even if they had right, let's say you know. mccloskey went on went on. Fox News to say well. I thought if I didn't point my guns. They were GONNA. Come storming onto my lawn That's a stupid argument, but in addition to being factually false, it's also legally irrelevant, because even stand your ground requires because all it does is amend the common law with respect to self defense. It requires you approve as the defendant that you quote reasonably were in imminent. Imminent danger to life or limb right so in other words. You can't have an unreasonable fear, right? You have to say in order to claim. Self Defense I thought that these people were about to attack me never minding the fact that they were unarmed, peaceful protesters walking down the street and the court and the jury gets to determine whether that's reasonable or not, and no jury in America. Would determine that it is reasonable in the circumstance. Oh, their claims are laughable, are guilty of crimes and on Monday afternoon Saint Louis Circuit Attorney. That's the district attorney for the city of Saint Louis the top prosecutor Kim Murphy African American. Woman. charged the mccloskey's with that felony, unlawful useful weapon and with misdemeanor assault. There you go case closed. Justice is served right. Yep a couple of things. I even garland. Was Not recommending that the mcclosky serve any jail time. She was recommending that they be sent into a diversion program. Right that is a non custodial program administered by the court instead of jail time to sort of teach you responsible use of a firearm, and you might ask yourself like I wonder how many african-americans guilty of essay. Already I mean usually it's throw the book at them, but this is like Oh, Shirley. These kind people can be taught how to use their firearms in a less terrorist away. Yeah, exactly, keep in mind, right the the excuses that are offered when African. American kids armed with a sandwich right, get shot by cops for Oh, well, it had a tin foil on it, and I, thought it was a gun, and I had to shoot to protect myself in any event. The recommendation was that they go through this diversion program. But that was not good enough for Missouri, Governor and Republican of course Mike, Parson, who two hours after the indictments were handed down, went on the Hannity Program and promised a full and complete pardon for the mccloskey's when asked about a pardon, he said quote without a doubt Sean I'll do everything within the constitution of the State of Missouri to protect law abiding citizens, and these people are exactly that they're law abiding citizens, and they're being attacked frankly by political process. That's really unfortunate. It's a sad day for us here in Missouri, so they will not. Not, so much as have to participate in a diversionary program or spent fifteen days in jail They're going to get away with this. They're going to get away with breaking a with breaking the law in a way that you would not, if you were not rich white, personal injury lawyers standing up for a racist 'cause in a racist state with a racist governor, one side note because when I was talking to some folks about this I as well. Hey, like villa, at least be disbarred, right and the answer that is probably more white. White Privilege, Missouri Supreme Court rule, five does indeed require disciplinary measures against anyone who pleads guilty or no low contender that is I do not contest to a felony. Accepting pardon as we know, is the equivalent of acceptance of guilt but I have to tell you the way in which include the rule in the in the show notes We can follow up with anybody. Has Any questions the way in which this plays out is rule five twenty one regarding interim suspension and final discipline and the there's discretion in the process it will. will be up to the Office of Chief Disciplinary Council to make recommendations, and then the mccloskey's get show cause as to why they should not be disbarred and If you're gambling person, I would put my chips on will not be disbarred, even though they will have accepted the guilt for having broken the law and Ben Pardoned in the state of Missouri That doesn't convince you that white privilege exists in Israel I. I don't know what to say. Just imagine if the the racial makeup were reversed. I'm sure Fox News would be. Reacting the same way. I hate the people I can't believe they're getting a part in for just learning how to not use their guns dangerously to. Well that's incredibly frustrating. There's not really much to be done. I take it I mean the governor pardoning is kind of the final of the buck stops there. Really unfortunately. There's the the the the governor's power to pardon is plenary. He is subject to political consequences. I suspect that this is probably popular among his constituency in Missouri, and so he is unlikely to pay a price for it but you know this is. Is this is part of. It's a nice transition to the next segment. Because you know how we change, the dialogue here is Is I think the way that we move forward in the long run? Thank you, Dr Hibbert I rest my case. You rest your case. What? Oh, no I thought! That was just a figure of speech case close today's main story Andrew as a lawyer. What the hell is happening in Portland? What's happening? Yeah, I. I did a lot of research on this I got a lot of help from usual sources. But especially from from emily waters and Ashley. Smith's I WANNA. Call that out because. You, know secret psycho lane closed. Gestapo tactics is is not my legal area Let me let me cut to the chase. Okay, and then we're going to unpack everything what is going on in? Portland is completely illegal. There are multiple paths to relief but that does not diminish the very real risks that protesters in Portland. Some of whom our our our listeners right. Have talked about that behavior in the facebook community and elsewhere and so I i WanNa say this right. Getting Monetary Relief in twenty, twenty, four or having the officer who threw you in Van Get having that officer themselves get arrested in. A year from the rest. They'll get disciplined for a week with pay or something like Yep. Yup, Yup. That's called comfort. You're saying it it is. It is very cold comfort, so The the protesters in Portland are our heroes in the classic definition of the word right that is, they are making a real difference, and they are putting themselves at risk while the rest of us are safe. and and and so I want to say that I wanNA acknowledge if you were spending the protests. Pleased don't take legal advice from this podcast but but do take our heartfelt and sincere appreciation for the long term good. You're doing society. You are making a difference. an in particular. I think you were doing so in a couple of ways that maybe are not immediately apparent right and the first is really highlighting the the the the to America's that we have a a second class legal system when it comes to immigrants and suspected aliens, and even lefties have kind of. Paper, over those differences for very very very long time, and now they are coming to the floor because as the government is. Concocting justifications for this, there are some legal basis for for what the government is is trying to do, and those legal bases come from entrenched longstanding discrimination against aliens and suspected aliens in our law and I'm going to break that. And and second this is a strategy that that trump that acting secretary of Homeland, Security Chad Wolf his deputy Ken Cuccia Nellie. These people are monsters, and they have said explicitly that they intend to replicate the strategy in other cities, so exposing it now is is is key to establishing the infrastructure that helps this from going national. You ready for me to kind of walk through what's going on? Yeah Been Ready Man. What's happened? All right I want to start with I'm going to link the Department of Homeland Security's timeline so that we can steal man the government's position. I want to do this not because they deserve it. These people are bad actors acting in bad faith, but I WANNA point out this to point out that there is no legitimate argument to the contrary. Here's what the government says it's doing. Quote. The city Portland has been under siege for forty seven straight days by a violent mob while local political leaders refused to restore order to protect their city. Each night. Lawless anarchists destroy him desecrate property, including the federal. Courthouse and attack the brave law enforcement officers protecting. This siege can end if state and local officials decided to take appropriate action instead of refusing to enforce the law, DHS will not abdicate its solemn duty to protect federal facilities and those within them. That's what Chad. Wolf has said to summarize all of that is B S. all of that is nonsense, so so talk about what's actually going on and again dhs has issued a timeline I've annotated that time line because there's is nonsense. They're timeline. does not begin on May. Twenty Fifth where mine does may twenty fifth as I think everyone will remember the day in which George Floyd was murdered. It is worth emphasizing this. He was accused of having a counterfeit twenty dollar bill, and that was the reason he was being taken into police custody, which then led to officer. Dirk Sheldon pinning him to the ground and kneeling on his neck for eight minutes and forty six seconds while George. Floyd pleaded that he could not breathe. We all know those events so four days later were the first protests in Portland on May twenty ninth. Here's how the government describes. They say violent anarchist broke front window at the Hatfield Courthouse violent anarchist graffiti the Hatfield courthouse. Overall the cost of damages on federal property was five thousand dollars estimated five thousand dollars. Here's what actually happened. A group called PM W civic northwest. Youth Liberation Front organized a peaceful protests hundreds of people were in attendance they marched and demonstrated in solidarity with George. Floyd some demonstrators broke away from that larger group, and they broke windows and tagged buildings with graffiti including the aforementioned Hatfield courthouse. A quote small fire this from the the Portland Police Department. Small fire was set inside the courthouse. There is no corroboration that there was any violence used at any point on this day that comes from Portland. Police reports so look a again, and we can talk about the strategy of breaking windows and graffiti, but there was zero. Violence according to the Portland, police police however responded by declaring the demonstration, a riot and using tear gas and flashbang grenades to break up the protesters. That's day one the next three days. All the government alleged now. We're back to the DHS's timeline. Is that violent anarchists and again? This is how they described the protesters. The protesters are described as violent anarchists. That's their brand. Did they interview them about their political I mean it's weird to be like because we don't want a black man to be murdered in broad daylight by police officer. Therefore were anarchists. Who Don't you know like? Come on, you could be. You could be a conservative as as could be and not want the police to murder, a black man in broad daylight for no reason yeah, the the alike MOMS marching in between sort of the core of a p n y protesters, opinion w protesters. And the police like somehow I doubt like there are hundreds of suburban mobs who are like reading. Kunin and like you know, let's let's tear down the mechanisms of the stately et, that it is not correct. Call them violent and McCarthyism. Yeah so there is no allegation of violence, even by the government over the next couple of days, and it is undisputed that on each of those nights the police responded with tear gas flashbang grenades, rubber bullets, military suppression techniques because of that two additional things happen. The first is the police set up a chain link fence around the courthouse to try and keep protesters out. We're GONNA. Talk about that a minute, and various. Agencies, departments, individuals and human rights. Groups went to the courts. And got. An order from the court right the US district. Court judge issued an injunction on June ninth, blocking the Portland police from using tear gas to disperse protesters. Okay so. In other words it is established at this point in time that the reaction by the Portland. Police is disproportionate to. The actual demonstrations that are going D.. H. S. describes then the week of June six through the eleventh as violent anarchist destroyed fencing, surrounding the federal property that's Sorta true and again I want to speak to that a little bit because destroying ses and barricades is a long-standing technique in. What we would call non violent protests. Even though you know you're thinking like. Oh, well, they're ripping down the fence. And then like there's this mob that's going to get through but but actually like it. It is part of protest tactics to say like Oh you've tried to say that. This space is off limits and beyond debate and we're showing that noticed. So, is it destruction of property at absolutely is destruction of property in many a great many cases It's destruction of property that I would personally again. Don't take legal advice from this podcast I personally endorse him what I think about here is I think about wind sack, which used to be called the School of the Americas which is a A school at the Fort Benning Army base in Georgia in which the United States by through the CIA teaches torture tactics to representatives sent from dictatorships throughout South America It's a lovely quasi-secrecy program, and because of that there is a dedicated group of of protesters who will show up. And do things like it would be the army. Has You know it's an army base, so they get to set the set up? Fences and protesters will come by in protest at the fence, and like throw blood on the would, and you know attack defense, and and and and tear it down and stuff like that and it is a key aspect of the protests against the slow in any event ears, the police report of what actually happened and by the way during the police report Portland Police is total bs to. Even taking that source at its word correct, that is right. It's an incredibly racist police department. Like yeah there. The police department the had ties to like the proud boys, and was like texting with them like Oh. Here's how you don't get arrested. We won't arrest you for the outstanding warrants I mean this is not like you know I know. Portland you think of it as a liberal city and and I'm sure I'm telling a lot of people stuff they already know, but it's not as though the police in Portland are like hippies or something. They're they're. They tend to be awful. Yeah that is correct, so that report is quote. Protesters had begun cutting out panels of the fencing and popping through it this weekend. One demonstrator crawled through the fence, and once inside the perimeter, mooned, police, officers, and of quote, clearly, they need to be executed, so how can? We could argue back and forth over. Should you tear down the fence? That is definitely a property crime. But counting a hall in a chain link fence, and going through with showing your, but to the police. Yeah, mooning. I feel like that's protest. We can all get behind this. Just, good clean fun. I would like to be in front and. Behind, yeah, I don't know however right, which ever way whichever way is I don't have to look at Eli, is that that's where I wanna be and the crucial fact omitted by the Department of Homeland Security which repeatedly emphasizes crime to the fencing. Is that. The Oh. Yeah it's now defunct. Sadly, but like the offense had its own twitter account awhile set at advance. Link, and and so eventually the police took down the fence right because it was clearly a symbol for we're not listening right and they said quote. The fence will be dismantled. which we hope will show quote our willingness to have dialogue and peaceful communication. Right so again. The police themselves realize all right man we shouldn't have. We should have put up a fence that says we're not listening. That says you're not welcome here. We're GONNA tear down the fence. I think that's really really important for context that occurred on June fifteenth. That's not on the government's timeline. 'cause you know that's not important the damage to the fence. That's important to document the police voluntarily taking it down not so much also worth pointing out during this timeframe, Portland police chief Jamie rush step down because of mass public criticism over the use of tear-gas flashbang grenades, rubber bullets those thing We got the court injunction. The police continued indiscriminately to use tear gas even after the injunction was issued because again when courts issue injunction. They don't say things like the police can't carry tear gas. They say you can't use tear gas to disperse protesters. And, so then the police used tear gas to disperse protesters and say oh well. We were doing that because you know. We were in fear of our law. Never. Minding were the ones in riot gear, and they're over there. You know holding loudspeakers above their head, and you know singing and chanting, but any event blatant disregard for the court's order, and then culminating June fifteenth Portland. Police takes down the fettes June seventeenth another thing that's not in the government's time. is the Portland City Council passes their their cities twenty, twenty, two, twenty, twenty one budget. and. That budget cuts fifteen million dollars from the police bureau. It cuts it from either external materials, right? That's new fun, military toys or personnel eliminating eighty four jobs This is in direct response to defend the police protests right? And we know this because they had to amend the budget, so It's about by the way just so you get a feel for the scope of this number. It was approximately two hundred and fifty million dollars cut down to approximately two hundred and thirty five million dollars right. So how are they? Yeah when say fund the police, right? We don't mean go from fifty million dollars zero. We mean don't do what the original budget had was. From two hundred and fifty million dollars in fiscal year nineteen to twenty, two, a proposed proposed three million dollar increase for twenty to twenty one, so as an eighteen million dollar swing right and they have to sell off one tank that they have eliminate and eliminate eighty four jobs right so mostly tank operators. Polishers! And I will include the budget in the show notes. He can go look that up for yourself, but but but I want to illustrate on the side that this proves. Demonstrations protests changing the narrative works if not for defend the police Portland Police would have gotten eighteen million dollars right at an additional and this nationwide. Yeah, we're focused on Portland. Because of the you know what trump is doing there, but I I hope no one takes this to mean that. We think this is like the locus of where the protests are happening I mean. The protests are happening everywhere around the country. They're much more. Longstanding grievances and other areas that have been going on but as a whole black lives matter this latest iteration of the black lives matter protests is the most successful protested in this country's history I've gotta think like I mean it really is the biggest they tried to measure is the biggest civil rights demonstration of all time in our country, and it look at all the success tat, so lest anyone think this is turning people off. It's just not well. The all those couple of violent people stopping on a fence doesn't have feelings. That's just going to turn the whole thing off wall. No, actually it's working. I couldn't have said that better myself I. Do want to highlight something because it is I think the only fair point that the police and the Department of Homeland Security have, and I WANNA illustrate right? We have listeners who were participating in these protests on June twentieth, the first allegations that among the protesters are the use of various commercially available lasers that are being aimed at the eyes of law enforcement personnel at this point just Portland police. There are no federal authorities on this on the on the sidelines. And and I want to say very explicitly look like. WE'RE NOT GONNA get derailed right like we're not going to spend the rest of this episode. Talking about shining lasers in the eyes of of of COPs As far as I can tell, it's a handful of people doing that but this is really serious. Right like it it. We're defending protest tactics and nonviolent civil disobedience. people get blinded. When you shine lasers in there is you shouldn't do that if you have friends who are doing it or associates are got the D. Don't don't do that but again. If you ask is standing next to somebody who might have a laser who is trying to cause harm to somebody grounds for being arrested or shot at the answer that is absolutely not and we're going to get to that in a legal action so I again. I don't want to make this I don't WanNa fall into the trap that you know. The government always tries to do of focus on the violence but but that is the one substantiated thing that you know. Don't don't don't do that that's not it's not a legitimate non violent protest, tactic and and you could blind somebody and and that's a. that's a serious thing not to do okay now. Jump ahead to June twenty-sixth that is when the president issues his executive order deploying federal troops to American cities to protect American monuments, memorials and statues and combat criminal violence, and that's why all of this is focused on the Federal Court House right. Section, five of that executive order authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to provide appropriate and consistent with applicable law personnel to assist with the protection of federal monuments, memorials, statues, or property, and a federal courthouse is federal property so pursuant to that he. Oh! The Department of Homeland Security sent teams of federal agents to the city. They came from the US. Marshall Service Federal Protective Services US Customs and Border Protection and Homeland Security Investigations. And within that, you need to know to specific abbreviations. I'm am and I'M GONNA, link to The New York Times article on it. Don't have time to go fully down. This rabbit trail, but Bortobak, which is the border. Patrol Tactical Division and sog the Special Operations Group, which is a division of the US marshals. The best way to describe this is these are not experts who are trained in managing protests. These are the equivalent of those agencies Swat teams right. They are engaged in. Paramilitary military tactics to combat armed assailants right? This is how they train. This is what they do, and the idea that those of the troops that you would deploy out to. Engage in crowd. Control is indefensible and explains. The rush to violence. That's June twenty-sixth by governments. Timeline doesn't mention June. Twenty-sixth doesn't think that that's an important date in explaining what's going on, and now we get to the two main incidents that that I think everyone has seen on the news the first is. is July eleventh in which peaceful protester Donovan La. Bella was carrying speaker over his head. And you can see camouflaged troops without identification. Throw a canister at him again. The court's injunction applies to the Portland police. It does not sadly apply to federal troops, so they are very clearly using this canister of tear gas to disperse a peaceful protest, and and Donovan. I tries to kick it away while he still holding the speaker, but the speakers huge try, it looks right. It's it's way bigger than you know John Cusak. Say Anything. And, so he sets speaker down. Picks up the canister, and this is crucial and again I'm no link the video in the show. Have you seen? Have you seen the video Donald I've seen so many of these I don't know. Probably. This is characterized by the government as Throws a canister of tear gas back at the federal officers right and. If you were inclined to steal men that you might say okay well. Never mind never mind the fact that you threw it at him like yes, is it dangerous to throw tear gas at Federal Officers even though you know, they're equipped in riot gear and they have face masks on all of that That description if you watch, the video is is so unbelievably misleading that that I I would encourage you to watch the what He. The the officers are across the street, right? They are a hundred plus feet away, and what he does is reach down and an underhand. Toss in a way that you might toss a beanbag to three or like. It's hard to even see the movement like it is this. This tiny little thing where you're like man, I don't know if that canister goes off. If you've gotten it far enough away from you right reaches down, gives an underhand toss of about five feet to the canister. And then he picks the speaker up again, and then you see him crumple as he is shot in the face with a rubber bullet, Hammer Donovan. Lebowa was then hospitalized with serious injuries government. Has No comment on July. Eleven does not try to defend itself and sorry. Is this do we know is was this was federal police doing that? Rubber bullets shooting. You're these. These are the four tack Border Patrol Tactical Division officers of the Department of of of Homeland Security I'm GonNa? Ask a real stupid question. What border is anywhere near Portland? I'm not great at geography. I'm going to to to to jump ahead to the legal analysis part Here is the answer because this part of this is. Deliberate calculated cruelty that by folks who understand some of the law and have constructed a fig-leaf to to to try and justify their actions in other words. This is not just out of control. This is deliberately pre plant. The answer to your question is eight USC thirteen fifty seven. Which allows the Department of Homeland? Security to disregard the Constitution, the section is called subsection a is called powers without. Right so in other words things they can do without having probable cause and one of the things they can do is. Quote within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, and of quote they can board and search for aliens, any vessel, railway, car, aircraft, conveyance or vehicle, or within a distance of twenty five miles, have access to private lands for the purposes of patrolling. The border I will tell you that the underlying cf our regulations define reasonable distance as one hundred miles and define any external boundary of the United States as including the Pacific. Ocean the Atlantic Ocean, and the Guy Mexicans say it's still not one hundred miles from any border. I mean I don't know a lot, but I know that. Option you. Alliens who are swimming across the were swimming bishop. To Oregon. That is correct. You Council. Five thousand miles of. The net effective. This is because if you think about where our cities are right as a historical function, right like Oh, yeah, they're all ports there. All right like that's how cities colonized and so you get to have secret police come to basically any city BC. L. U. has estimated that two thirds to the US. Population falls within this hundred mile zone I mean that's just meaningless. That becomes meaningless once you're saying like within. Within border area like that, okay, so that's the whole country it it it is, it is two thirds of the country that is correct, is virtually every major city in the United States. Right right? Because Chicago is within one hundred miles of the Canadian border. Thank I haven't researched that I I know Portland is more than one hundred miles from Canada. The border gets a little weird by the Great Lakes. I never know like. squiggly, it might not be actually Chicago. Let's see let's close. Close I it is. Obviously some of the outlying suburbs are not so that's one source of population that is not within this order but fortunately every other city is within one hundred miles of some border of the US Portland is eighty eight miles from the Pacific Ocean. Again. Portland does not have an illegal immigration problem. There are not you know. Hordes of illegals washing up on the Oregon shores It's nonsense, but but that's why an and that is. Part of you know what this highlights is that that that law and the and the corresponding regulations are are valid law. It's a thing to change. Has It always been like this? But just being interpreted more broadly, or is this just a total valid interpretation of this bs law that we need to get rid of the answer? Is that the law? Itself was passed in nineteen, fifty two and the logic says within a reasonable distance. Then the underlying regulations say you know hundred miles from the border is a rig is a reasonable distance and again. You know one hundred miles from the Mexican border i. WanNa make some arguments. Go ahead, make those arguments a hundred miles from you know lady on Areo, yeah, or or the Pacific Ocean city is insane, and and this highlights again. that the incoming administration needs to do more than just overturn these policy. They've got to change the law right. Because we have a second class legal system when it comes to aliens and people who we think might be aliens and and for for far too long you know those of us on the left kind of accepted that as part and parcel of you know getting getting other stuff done for other people, and and and what the trump administration is doing is using that loophole. Loophole as as cover for for its activities now again that doesn't make what they're doing, not illegal, and and I wanna get to that explanation of that, but that's why right? That's why the H. is in Portland that's the authorization there within that hundred miles out in addition to Donovan La Bella. You may have seen on July. Fifteenth our friend, Greg Do. Do set who has tweeted out almost thousand now in the hundreds and hundreds is example number seven, seventy, five of the police using inappropriate tactics on peaceful protesters tweeted out a video, which all Lincoln the show notes of guys in Cammo driving by grabbing somebody against their will, who screaming and protesting and throwing them into a van and driving off and DHS S. S was asked to explain what the Hell Are you doing? And their answers are to that were were nonsense, and were in violation of the law and I wanNA talk about the legal standards there but but if the legal question is, can they throw you in a van? Because your in a crowd where people are doing dangerous things? Let me be super clear here. Don't take legal advice from this podcast, right? It does not do you a lot of good to be beaten by the police, and then say well. You know I was technically correct. Yeah, but. They do not have the right to do so. Part of the just horrible fascist bs of all. This is that you're not going to do anything in the moment I mean. What are you? GonNa tell I I have rights. Okay, sorry, we'll stop putting you in this unmarked van like we're. There's nothing. I don't think there's nothing that you and I are going to do or say. That's going to stop this happening. In the moment, it's just probably more about like who can sue. Whom yet and will it go through after this well, there are two things right I wanna talk about the things legally. You can do in the moment understanding that somebody who is trained as an in. Know Special, weapons and tactics is. Almost certainly not trained in law, enforcement and crowd dispersal. I so the the legal rights that you may have. Maybe blatantly disregarded have been blatantly disregarded, and then we're GONNA. Talk about what you can do when that happens, but but yeah, the law is super duper crystal clear and has been for four plus decades. Its case called a bar versus Illinois from Nineteen, seventy nine, which says Muir Pro Pink Witty. Think is how you pronounce that word. It just means proximity Amir Pope. Pope inquity to others suspected of criminal activity does not without more give rise to probable cause, so in other words You shouldn't be shining lasers at at the eyes of law enforcement officials, but just because you're at a protest. Were other people are doing that does not mean they can seize. You does not mean they can arrest. You I thought the whole thing was. The people there taking allegedly are guilty of like you know graffiti ing sound Oh no bats. Did and that's why I wanNA. Talk about like how the police interact with you because the person who was thrown in a van. DHS concedes that that person was then let go that. They did not have a basis to arrest that person right? This is being used as crowds, suppression tactics and and it's. It's patently illegal I. I want to dispense with the question. People have asked do these federal officers have to identify themselves and the answer as far as can tell, is no, no. They don't thankfully Alexandria Cosco's says. He wants to change. That has introduced a bill. Change it one hundred percents something we should change it as the law enforcement identification, Transparency Act of two thousand twenty I will link the text in the show notes I have read it. And it just straightforwardly says that within ninety days the head of each federal law enforcement agencies promulgate policy that requires that any federal law enforcement officer in uniform or in plain clothes employed by a federal law enforcement agency make visible. The following identification was on duty or serving the public as a federal law enforcement officer, and that would be their last name, the name of the agency and their badge, number or other identification number. This is the scariest part to me, because I don't know how likely this is, but like there are a lot of white supremacist groups in Oregon. And, the idea that just if there's any van, full of people in military looking garb, or whatever the that they're just cool to arrest you. That's totally find that they're going to abduct you in an unmarked van. The idea that like you're supposed to be cool with that is absurd to me like what? What are the odds that there couldn't be somebody else impersonating an officer doing stuff like that like this? This is terrifying and I I would understand why people would be so scared about this. Yeah, and and you should be an and the things that should help guide. You are the rules that federal officers are required to abide by right, and so it's it's why those protections are there right so the very first thing that i. want to talk about. We've talked about this a little bit on the show before. Before but but but that is federal officers and police officers have wide latitude to engage in what they call voluntary interviews. Cops in particular are super good at leaning and making you establishing that something is voluntary unless you ask the right questions ball while still leaning in coercing you into cooperating with them and the important thing about a voluntary interview. Is that after Miranda's? You didn't have to inform you. You of your rights. You're just chatting with the cops you're allowed to They're allowed to talk to citizens, and so long as it's voluntary, there's nothing you can do about it and and so I wanna tell you again. None of this legal advice. COPs are super tricky about this. Their goal is for an interview to be considered voluntary or non-custodial right that means they don't have you in custody. There is God help me one weird trick that you can Hughes. And and that is am I being detained yet used to be sense that has been appropriated by crazy people. Don't ask him I being detained, but asked this question am one hundred percent serious about this. Ask The question quote. M I free to go. And of quote, and if you get if you don't get an answer, ask the question again. I'm asking am I free to go or not. If. They say yes go. Right don't use any. Threats coercion where this will go so much where right that means, it is non-custodial, that means your remedy in a non-custodial interview is to leave is to say this interview is over. I declined voluntarily to to be interview. If you are not free to go, that means you are being arrested. There is not a middle ground. And if you're arrested, they must have probable cause to arrest you and They must then Miranda's you. They must inform you of your right to have your lawyer present, and you should say I demand to speak to my lawyer. We'll otherwise exercise my right to remain silent. Those are the only two options when the police take you into custody, which includes throwing you in event. If the moment they throw you in the van, they ha- against your will when you say I declined to go voluntarily and they throw you in the van. You are being arrested. And the question is. Can you sue federal officers for arresting without probable cause you can. We're GONNA talk about those standards in a minute but absolutely that is a violation of your fourth amendment right against search and seizure to be seized without probable cause in a custodial way so now I also want to let you know I've. I've said that it's it's a when you're when you're picked up and thrown in a van, right? That's a binary choice right either it's voluntary, or it's not, or it's arrest, and if you are illegally arrested that violates your constitutional rights. You have a cause of action against that federal agents. There is a thing in between, and you're going to hear this articulated by the government and I want to explain exactly what it is, and it is called a Terry Stop, and it is after case called Terry versus Ohio from nineteen, sixty seven and the way to think of a Terry stop is Teri is stop and Frisk. That's exactly what the case was. Yep, it involved a police officer who was walking the beat and saw two guys and said quote. I'd never seen the two men before I was unable to say what precisely drew my eye to them. but I've been a policeman for thirty nine years and when I looked at them, they didn't look right to me and of course. This I'm quoting directly from the Supreme Court. Opinion This opinion is not gonna go well by the way even for nineteen sixty seven so officer McFadden follows him around, and and these guys are just kind of walking up and down the street and again quoting officer McFadden he says I suspect that they were quote casing a job a stick up. and then said and I thought you know if they were gonNA stick up a place that they might have a gun. So then officer McFadden goes up to the three men identifies himself as a police officer and ask for their names. and then when one of the men mumbled something. As a response to the inquiries. He grabbed Terry and again. This is from the supreme. Court saying that he was allowed to do this. Spun him around so that they were facing the other two and then padded terry down on the outside of his clothing on the left hand breast pocket of Terry's overcoat officer McFadden felt a pistol You then searched. The other two guys found weapons. They were tried for illegal possession of firearms. They then moved the court to suppress the evidence. They said look. This you you did have a search warrant. You didn't arrest us like this officer just came up to us on the street. And Padova's down and found the weapons You should suppress that When when the court denied their motion to suppress, they pled guilty, and then appealed that on the grounds that the lower courts should have granted the motion to suppress the government going to the supreme. Court argued that the fourth amendment did apply here right, and they said that's because this was a search incident to arrest, which by the way is a legitimate exception to the search warrant requirement right like if you have probable cause to arrest somebody you also have problems caused to search. You don't have to say person. Exactly right the only problem here was no. It wasn't right that the that it was undisputed at the supreme. Court that there was not probable cause to believe that these guys were going to commit a crime right there that you could not have gone to. A judge had gotten a search warrant or an arrest warrant based upon officer McFadden's hunch. I didn't quite look right right. That's not what our losses, but the Supreme Court decided to make a brand new doctrine in order retroactively to make this legal. I'm not making this up. Here's what Terry says quote. We may duck develop at length in this case, the limitations which the fourth amendment places upon a protective seizure and searched for weapons, these limitations will have to be developed in the concrete factual circumstances of individual cases. Then they add. The sole justification of the search in the present situation is the protection of the police officer and others nearby, and it must therefore be confined in scope to an intrusion reasonably designed to discover guns knives, Clubs Love Nineteen, Sixty, seven or other hidden instruments for the assault of police officer, and so that standard is now. Less than probable cause, but more than just. And it is called. Articulate suspicion. And notice that under Terry. Even today it must be articulate suspicion that somebody is about to commit a crime, and that they may be armed and are presently dangerous. As you might imagine since that was all totally made up. And like even the Supreme Court in granting that made uproar at like that wasn't what the officer was arguing. He and in that case you might imagine that that that has been grossly expanded to allow wide ranging stop and Frisk well I was Gonna say that I, thought, stop and Frisk Frisk was declared unconstitutional, or or was it just like how they are going with? That was how New York was going about it without any articulate suspicion right, so your suspicion rule is still good law, Gotcha and it's been interpreted very very very broadly I encourage you to read Douglas's dissent because it's been lost to history, but he's obviously right, and he says you know today we hold. The police have greater authority to conduct searches and seizures, then a judge, and that turns what was then one hundred and fifty years of case law on its head He was absolutely right, but you know it was a descent, so it's not a lot of comfort, so put a pin in those in the Terry stops for a minute. Because although police officers and federal officers have wide ranging powers it it, it still is confined to a reasonable pat down to try and discover weapons, and neither of the two public aces that we talked about. Remotely fit that Pasta you know you, it does not do not have terry right to shoot somebody in the face with a rubber bullet. Kidnapping doesn't cover kidnapping. It does not so yeah at the moment in which you are abducted by federal agents that isn't arrest, and it is either good, or it isn't so now. The question is what rights do. People have in Portland and there are four. Four categories of of that. That I want to here so if your rights are violated, there are a variety of remedies that are available to you and I'm just going to have to do this. At a top level were running away overtime. All of these are valid forms of relief, and we will probably do deep dives as as as events weren't I. Presently officials in Portland have petitioned. For injunctive relief I will link that pleading in the show notes it is stylized as a class action on behalf of journalists and legal observers and given the way it's pled right. They have a chance of this being a valid class action right because the injury of which they're complaining is the violation of their first amendment rights. Right the right to peaceably assemble and that's. That's something where the injury is uniform across the class so It's a really really smart approach, and it is a and I think they're likely to get injunctive relief to tell h and US march marshals as well as the Portland police that you cannot use these techniques to to disperse or suppress a crowd. That's the first the second is. You can bring a private. Private lawsuit against the federal officials who have kidnapped you it is a really really narrow area that we're gonNA have to do a separate deep dive on called billions right, and it's after case called givens versus six unknown federal narcotics agents from Nineteen seventy-one. It's super narrow, but very very clearly applies in this case right. The givens case was the exact same kind of. Of situation where agents of what was then called the Federal Bureau of Narcotics Love Cases from nineteen seventy-one entered. A Guy's apartment arrested him for alleged narcotics. Violations as as the Supreme Court says they quote manacled petitioner in front of his wife and children, and threatened to arrest the entire family. They searched the apartment from stern to stern about stem lived on boat. I language in the nineteen seventies was amazing, and and all of that was nonsense right he was then taken to the Federal Court House, where he was interrogated booked and subjected to a visual strip search and they lacked probable cause, so the Supreme Court said that violates his fourth amendment right, and when federal officers violate your Fourth Amendment right, you have a right. Right to sue them for damages, it is called a biffin's action. It is super narrow, but at one hundred percent applies in this case, we will have to do a separate episode on qualified immunity which covers when the police do it under Section nineteen eighty-three because there's a lot of nuance there, but when federal officers, there is no corresponding, qualified immunity other than a case. From over one hundred years ago, called in reneged, which says that when you S, marshals are acting within their authority, they have immunity, which is true but then that just means that question in litigation comes down to what was this within their authority? That's right. Yeah, and if if they if the is bad, that's not within their authority. Right finally. Criminal Prosecution is available. This is eighteen USC to forty two, and it says whenever anyone under color of law, subjects any person to the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities. Immunities protected by the Constitution They shall be fined or imprisoned not more than a year or both look. This DOJ is not going to bring charges against these officers, but the next one might, and as we look towards a new administration. Does it absolutely question I would ask of Joe Biden. I would ask of the Biden campaign. Do you believe that the unidentified cammo wearing federal agents from Bortobak, and the US Marshall Service should be subjected to potential liability under eighteen s forty two. Should they be charged should. Should they be arrested and get an answer because that's part of how we we stand up to this by saying. Yeah, when law enforcement officials break the law, they should be arrested and a fourth area and we're GONNA. Talk about this next week and that is, it is possible. There is a one weird trick that may undo everything that the Department of Homeland Security has done for the past six months and allow hasn't caused loading. It isn't but okay it. It I'm excited about it and I will tell you all about. About that next week? What Cliffhanger Well Union next time folks all right? 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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - May 14 2020
"Welcome to today's edition of the rush limbaugh show podcast and greetings to you. Music lovers, thrillseekers conversationalist on across the Ferdie Bland. I! Am Rush Limbaugh here for yet another three hours of broadcast excellence. It's a Well, it's an honor, and it's a thrill the privilege every day to be able to do it more so now than ever before. Looking forward to chatting with you as the program unfolds, eight, hundred, two, eight, two, two, eight, eight, two. If. You want to be on the program and the email address elrushbo at eibnet dot us. Okay, somebody in this audience talked. I told you people I warned you yesterday not to repeat what I told you. And somebody did somebody. I knew it had to happen I. Knew it was a career risk while not a career risk, but I I knew that asking forty three and a half million people and keep a secret. would be a little tough to do. Somebody. Among you in this audience spoke to Don Lemon at CNN. Listen to what rush limbaugh you remember. President gave him the medal of freedom. Listen to what he has to say about Dr Algae, saying the quiet part out loud. Let me tell you how you deal with Ouchi. You praise him to the hilt. Exactly like trump is doing. He appraised the hill you talk about. About how brilliant he is and you say that we're so lucky to have thou-. G. O., my God Tony You should run for office and then privately you ignore every damn thing. He says and implement your own policy. That's the only way you can not don't repeat that. Because then. The policy secretly went out of the bag. That's how you deal with these people. Will President Trump. Do that I. Think he already is. Get the medal of freedom for that Don Eleven's. They got the medal of freedom for that. Well, people were asking. We were overwhelmed with questions. Look folks. I, know where you're coming from. I know how frustrated you are I. Know How you want heads to roll I'm the same. I'm the this judge. Emmet Sullivan what he's trying to do to Flynn. I'll tell you exactly what he's trying to do to Flynn. He's trying to prolong this engineer this he you know Flynn has pled guilty. Judge Sullivan is going to pronounce sentence on that. He is going to send him to jail because of Flynn's guilty plea, but rush but rush. He can't do that. He can't do this friend at a quarter Meka stuff because Supreme Court. He was to do whatever he wants. He's GonNa Force a pardon from trump. That's what this is. He is not going to let Flynn get away with the DOJ dropping the case. He's going to do everything he can to sentence Flynn. Based on Flynn's original. Plead the with grew. That, he had lied to the FBI. Now we know why Flynn entered the plea. They were ruining him and they've been promising to ruin his son. Like? They did demand for it like they tried on Roger Stone like they try them Katie McFarland. but I I I I. Think they're they're trying to prolong. Get some people even think the judge. Emmet Sullivan is trying to extend this case. FOR MONTHS! In the hope that trump is not reelected. That a Democrat is elected like plugs. You get a new attorney general in there. You gotta effectively a new Department of Justice. And they withdraw their withdrawal of the case, and they re implement the case on Flynn. And this is. These people. Folks tell you. What is happening here? There's so many different ways to look at this a lot of people with theories. But I think somebody. Is Scared to death what Michael Flynn knows. I don't pretend to know what it is. Don't misunderstand. I think somebody is scared to death. What Michael Flynn would say might say could say. There is an all out effort. To Intimidate Flynn into just shutting up. Whatever goes down from here on forward. He stands mute. He says nothing. and. I think these people that are scared to death of what he knows what he might say. Are All stockpiled as former Obama administration officials. We've never seen anything like this before. No matter who you talk to. With any experience whatsoever is a lawyer up to whatever level DOJ. US Attorney's Office Federal Judge Supreme Court Justice. Nobody's ever seen anything like this. Nobody has ever seen a judge openly fort. The Department of Justice and their desire to not prosecute a case and withdraw it basically throw it away. And it's it's got to be. I mean look. There's partisan politics here. As well the judge. I'm sure there's a lot of people fed up. That Muller came up empty. I'm sure there's a lot of people ticked off. The Andrew Weissmann came up empty. I'm sure that there are a lot of people in the Obama Administration. Saying to themselves my God, we gave these guys unlimited money. We gave them the media we gave them. M, I five we gave them six. We gave him embeds. We gave them spies. We gave the FBI gave Komi everything. He needed to nail trump and they still couldn't do it. And I think they're still ticked off that they couldn't do this. You know who the most clean pure innocent guy in Washington has to be. Donald Trump. Donald Trump has been. Anal exam from every angle for three years and they haven't found diddley squat. And they're lid. I think that that that and at Flynn is the epitome having Flynn's case that was going to be the big. Conviction or the or the big? Get is having Flynn plead guilty have flynn. Get sentenced. Have Flynn go to jail? Have Flynn wiped out as a message to anybody else in the trump orbit? This could be you. And then William Bar comes along and essentially says you guys have no case. There isn't a case here. There never was a case. Now everybody knows there was no collusion. The bottom has fallen out of everything Obama setup. Including now we know that the. Director of National Intelligence Clapper and then Colmey and Brennan. Were all testifying under oath? They never saw shred of evidence. Regarding trump and Russia collusion. Despite the fact that they're lying daily multiple times a day for two to three years. And, that is all known now every effort they have undertaken. To get rid of Donald. Trump is blown up in their face. Christine Ballsy Ford by the way you notice, whistle blower up to this. Rick Bright Guy Today. That's testifying how! We're all GONNA. Die Because trump's president. He's not taking corona virus series. Lawyer is. Know. Who is lawyer is so named Deborah. Katz ring a bell. Car Macci was a lawyer for Christine Ballsy Ford. Deborah Kass was a lawyer for Ballsy Ford now Deborah. Katz a lawyer for this looney tunes whistle blower named Rick Bright. said, this test of ousted vaccine chief testifies in hearing. The networks are covering it wall to wall. It's nothing more than trump Russia collusion. It's nothing more than ballsy. Nothing more than cabinet on nothing more than trump community, impeachable offenses and phone call President Ukraine. So they're just I think it's all unraveled. It's all fallen apart on him at the worst possible time. Leading into the presidential election of twenty twenty. This was going to be the period of time we're. Trump was supposed to be frogmarched out of the white. House lawyer. Plans were that trump is going to be found guilty of collusion. Whatever none of what they set up his happen? These are people that think they're infallible. That they are all. Powerful. Trump tweeted. Yeah this morning, just lose. An hour and a half ago. He's an if I were a senator or congressman. The first person I would call to testify. About the biggest political crime in scandal in the history of the country by far is former President Obama. He knew everything. Do it Lindsey? Graham just do it no more. Mister Nice Guy, no more talk. You want me to Parse this tweet for you. I'll be happy to trump's getting fed up at Lindsey Graham isn't doing anything. Lindsey Graham's going on. TV's on Hannity every night or wherever talking tough thing it tough game. Making all these nothing ever happens. Trump's getting frustrated. Rick Grenell the acting director of National Intelligence. Rick Grenell has done more to expose this coup and the cabal of people in it than the Republican. Senate has in three years. In three weeks Rick Grenell I'm sorry to be, yelling folks. I'm just trying to relate to you I know you're all yelling. You're all ticked off. I don't want you to think. I'm not ticked off ticked off to. You people were really loaded for Barrett me yesterday. I'll never forget that you were. You were coming at me. Every no matter where I looked at I came. And I know how sturdily operates sturdy. Sometimes, he'll direct calls. To certain areas of discussion if he thinks I should be talking about stuff, but aren't. So, obviously snerdley figured I wasn't acting mad. Enough about all this we. He stacks the caller roster. With a bunch of people blaming me for it just to get me off the done I. Understand I can deal with it. But I dig a Rick Grenell in May be two weeks. and. This is a flat-out observation anymore. He has done more to expose this. In two three weeks in the US Senate has in three years. Yet It can be done. I've had I've had some people say rush. You gotta be real careful I know I know. We don't prosecute ex-presidents Russia I know you got beat up for saying that at night, but but you're right, but you've got to be real careful because. Obama is an ex president and they are untouchable. You you. You can't just keep saying that Obama's responsible for all of this indirect. Why can't I? You know what I. got a couple of emails. Along those my warning me to be careful. About. Being. Accusatory of Barack, Hussein Oh. So I've remembered. A story I had read in the. Two thousand eight campaign. And actually it was I. Knew I know it was around the Kim night when I went and looked it up and founded. It's actually ran in November. Of Two, thousand eight a week after the election this it was, it was in the New Yorker and it was by Ryan listen. And it was A. You know a post mortem. It was a look back at the campaign how Obama Won. What I remembered about, this story was Obama. Essentially admitting how hands on he was or is. And let me give you a pull quote from this story. Obama, who is not without an ego? Himself as just as gifted as his top strategists in the art and practices of politics. Quote I think that I'm a better speech writer than my speechwriters more about policies on any particular issue. My policy directors no. And I'll tell you right now that I'm going to think I'm a better political director than my political. Director So, here's a guy. Openly admitting that he's smarter than his advisors. that he doesn't need them. You this is the kind of guy that's GonNa let dozens of underlings run around doing things like this coup without his knowledge. Without his input without his direction? Obama Gate is all about politics and particularly. The politics of personal destruction. Obama's ego would not allow him. To remain out of the loop with such an operation implemented. And the people working for all by my guarantee, you would not. In any of this without his knowledge and approval. And I'll tell you one other thing. The commies and the McCabe. The clapper's in the Brennan's all these people. Were doing what they were doing to please Obama. Some of the might have been using their own initiative, and it was all to impress Obama remember. All these people think the guy is a deity. He's god-like and he promotes people regarding in that way. So you have a bunch of sick of here desperate to impress him. Desperate to be in the inner circle. They know that he thinks he's smarter than all of them. So what they WANNA do is try to show him. How smart they are. But the idea that they would go rogue and start a massive coup operation like this on their own is unthinkable. Doesn't make any sense. They would tell him. Because they would want to brag about their efforts. They would tell him because they would want to brag about their intelligence in being able to put together and implemented operation like this. They would want Obama to be impressed. But rush but rush. What about plausible deniability mean you do things so blows up the president? Is protected because he wasn't told not relevant here. They never thought this was going to blow up. These people didn't go into this thinking that it wasn't gonNA work. They went into this. They were thrilled. They were excited. They were self impressed. They thought that they would get rid of trump before he was inaugurated folks. They thought they were going to get rid of trump. During the transition ally thought they were going to get rid of trump before the election. He confounded that by winning so during the transition. They think they're going to be able. To create enough doubt. That, the Republicans are somebody. was you know what maybe this guy's not fit for whatever they were dreaming? And then when that failed here comes the January fifth meeting in the Oval Office with Obama. One, last, ditch effort. To try to damage trump. Within the realm of public, opinion. Before he's inaugurated. By plotting how they can get the steele dossier into the news into the public domain. That meeting happened January fifth the Obama, Oval Office, and then, of course you add the unmasking of flint all this and the numbers of Obama people who wanted to know who he was something really curious about this to. The conversation that Flynn had. With the Soviet ambassador goes to lunch time Sergei Kislyak. That conversation that was wiretap was on December twenty ninth. More than one conversation, but if you look at the dates. Of. Many of the unmasking requests. You'll find that. They are December Fifteenth Sixteenth Seventeenth Fourteenth. What the Hell there wasn't anything unmasked in there were there were people. That, We've never heard of supposedly were requesting Flynn. To Be Unmasked in these conversations with my my point is there was a there was a plan. In motion designed to get Flynn. And get him out of the way long before any phone call, he had with any Russian. That supposedly set up alarm bells red flags, none of this. Happened! They want you to believe that. This was a targeted operation that had been. Implemented months before. December of two thousand six. Two Thousand Sixteen brief break, we'll be back with more of. Last night on Fox News the Secretary of Treasury Steven Steven Mnuchin. appeared. program called the story with Martha. McCallum. She said well. She asked him a question about me. That's why I'm playing the soundbite in here, it is rush. Limbaugh was on the radio today. He said that Blue States WanNA wreck the economy, and it does appear that in some cases some cases blue state governors are more likely to want to stay shot then red state governors. What do you say to that Roy? Our hope it's not political. That would be terrible I hope that all these governors care about the American. Workers Care about American jobs. See! That's the MNUCHIN HASTA say that he's the secretary of the Treasury. If. The administration wants to speak to this politically the Nelson trump out the door travelcenters self out or have others in the administration. There can be no doubt. There can be no doubt that they are politicizing this. No matter where you look the objective of this is to cause enough people paid. They WANNA. Take it out on Donald Trump. Longer back rush limbaugh with half. My brain tied behind my back as always just to be fair. Eight, hundred, two, eight, two, two, eight, eight two. Yesterday on NPR. They've got a program called fresh air. One of their correspondences reporting. On a new biography of the American author Philip Roth. Now in Guber, left wing literary salons encircles circles in Manhattan. Phillip Roth is the end all be all. He's the Stephen Sondheim literary world. And so he somebody's written a biography of the guy. And of all things here here is one of the stories told by Bay, author Taylor also recount. Some of Roth's health struggles among other things. He suffered from back and heart problems. Taylor recalls one particular trip to the hospital with Roth. Where they jumped into a cab, the aggressively flatulent driver had limbaugh on at top volume roth in pain, turn to Taylor and asked are we'd be spared nothing now. The author here's Benjamin Taylor so here. You Philip Roth. Great American novelist, great American writer, getting a cab to go to a hospital for the health crisis gets the cabinet in a cab drivers flatulent. Now for those of you in real Linda, it means the cab drivers stinking up the cab pretty bad. And the add insult to injury while the cab drivers stinking up the cab. The Rush limbaugh program is blaring at eight hundred decimals in there. And Philip Roth. His disparities already down in the dumps because of his health problems. May the even worth or worse interns to biographer and says are we to be spared? Nothing. The World Health Organization. is now warning. My friends could take up to five years. Before the coronavirus pandemic is under control. You know what this is starting to sound like. This whole corona virus. Story is starting to remind me of climate change. Rising sea levels in the next ten years could wipe found New, York and Miami. Then that doesn't happen. Rising Sea levels in the next twelve years could wipe out New York Miami, and maybe even Philadelphia. The predictions keep changing. They get more dire. They get more dangerous more extreme. And the reason for it is, they're not able to scare people sufficiently. About the impending doom, I mean climate change has supposedly. been going to destroy us. The I. In fact I that I found I've researched first climate change story. That was written in the same way. Stories today are written early nineteen hundreds in a New York Times story. It's eerie. Folks. It's literally eerie. How similar a story about the climate! And our inability to control it in the early one thousand nine hundred sounds so much like the garbage. That's in the media about it today. On the modern era of the climate change begins late, nineteen, seventy, eight, seventy, nine with a Newsweek cover story on how the new ice ages coming. Five years later, they dumped ice, age and instead transition to global warming. We're all going to melt. Co, two, pollution assery, whatever is going to destroy the planet destroy the life support systems atmosphere. And so since the nineteen eighties, they have been saying dire consequences await if we do nothing. and. The predictions are all for different periods of time thirty years today. Now forty years in the next fifty years. The predictions are long term because they know people live. Today won't be alive the. End of the prediction periods the judge whether they were right or wrong. It's nothing but a scare move. It's a scare tactic a series of them. And you are aware of the transformation this. This story, this causes of climate change. Has Gone through. It gets ridiculous sometimes. The, predictions that are made. The warnings. The things that are going to kill us. And I'm noting a similar type. Of reporting now with the corona virus. It seems like every day we get. Some new scare tactic. From some supposedly credible source? And what generally happens is after some reporting of what everybody would consider good news. In less than a day, a couple of stories come along maybe three. That try to throw cold water on the good news and make it sound even worse than it was the day before. And that's what this is. The World Health Organization warns it could take up to five years. Before the coronavirus pandemic. Is under control. This is just it's ear responsible the way this stuff is being reported and the reason it's being reported. The way of is because it's all political now. Let's review. The first objective was to what. Flattened the curve. And let me ask all of you a question. When the lockdown was first announced. When the shutdown nationwide? was first announced when it was first proclaimed what you were told. You couldn't leave your home. When you were told you had to maintain a distance of six feet wherever you talk anybody. When you were told to wear masks when you were told whatever. Did, you think. Were you led to believe that the shutdown. Would still be going on. Nine weeks ten weeks later. Or did you think it was a? Two to three week exercise try to get a handle on things. Before things got out of control. I'll guarantee. The vast majority of people thought it was a temporary thing. It's wider so much. Acquiescence to it. The first thing they told us wise. With flat in curve. Ads Right and we're. GonNa do this. With mitigation became the number one most used word, the coronavirus task force here mitigation. We're GONNA socially distance we're going to we're going to we're going to. Limit, the number of people and get the disease and why? Because we need to make sure the hospitals and emergency rooms and he intensive care units are not overwhelmed. So we got flattened the curve. Lot of people misunderstood that they thought flattening the curve meant we're going to arrest the spread of the virus? It's never what it was about. But. A lot of people thought that a lot of people thought that they were participating. Patriotically. supportively in an effort designed to stop the virus in its tracks. When that wasn't the objective because it wasn't possible. You simply can't stop the spread of a virus by staying home. You're eventually going to leave home, and then everything's just GonNa pick up. It was left off now the purpose. Flattening. The curve was to make sure the hospitals were not overwhelming. Guess what they weren't. Other than in two or three states. But even though states were not overwhelmed anywhere near what the predictions were. All of the temporary hospitals that were that were floated in there and it were built. The javits center in Central Park never used. Then after they told us that we had a flat curve then we had to follow the data. We can't do what we want and we can't listen to charlatans and we can't listen to people that are not experts. We have to follow the data will the data was a bunch of flawed model predictions that have yet to be right about that became. The! The data. From all of these models in the UK and University of Washington. WHO and which to this day have yet to be right? Then after being told, we had to follow the data. We can't end is lockdown. We can't go out. We can't return to normal until we have testing. Will didn't sending about testing whenever flattening curve. At every opportunity to end this lockdown. which is unsustainable at every opportunity to turn this country around I? Note! We can't do it until. X. Until we flatten a curve to data gives us clearance now. We can't do it till we have more testing. So, trump has ramped up. We got more testing available in America that anywhere in the world. Trump points it out. Why. T, do Mr Irons man when people are dying. Where's does it matter that we have more testing anybody because you people have been whining and moaning that we don't have enough of this stuff. And I'm telling you. We gotta look ventilators we need. We got ninety five mass we need. We got all of the testing that we need. But we can't reopen without more testing the more testing we get. It's amazing. How not enough testing it is? Now we gotta have testing for everybody every day until that happens, we can't open. Of course testing. Has Its own? Quirks attached to it. The more you test. Guess what? The more cases you have. So. They are then allowed to report sky rocketing cases they never attributed to the fact that more people being tested because the scare tactic is to make you think the virus is out of control the virus in out of control anymore now than it ever has been were just able to find out more people who have it. You know what else? The more testing you do, and the more people you reveal who have the virus? The mortality rate plunges. Ninety eight percent of the people and get this virus recover from it. You would never know that. If you listen to the drive by Democrat. Party news every day. So we get more testing, and then it becomes not enough. Enough. We did everybody every day, and then they say well. You know testing somebody. One day doesn't tell us anything about the next day. Yeah, we know, but you're the ones. It said we can't do anything well testing. Yeah, I know, but but testing only goes so far. Now the antibodies. We need an antibody testing. They keep moving the goalposts on us. Now. Now. We can't do until we get a vaccine. Can't open a schools. We can't go back to stadiums can't do anything we get a vaccine. Now all of a sudden after all this time where we were told that utes and young people were among the least effect. Guess what here comes stories. Oh No, Oh, no young people are getting a mysterious strain of the disease that we hadn't seen. It's just incredible. Now people are having strokes. They can't figure out why. Oh, my God this virus every day unleash a new characteristic that we didn't know we can't now says the World Health Organization for five years right here could take up to five years before the corona virus pandemic is under control. Doctor Faustus is not going to authorize reopening if the virus is not under control. So we had a flat curve, a fall of data a flawed models. In more testing's got more testing. It's not enough even more. The antibodies. All that doesn't mean anything anymore now. We need a vaccine or may never be vaccine. So, they keep putting road blocks. It's just like what they do with this climate. Change stuff, folks. As, every dire prediction fails to scare people enough, they come up with more. And some of it is now starting to begin absolutely ridiculous insurance. Take a break. We'll be back. Here you'RE GONNA. Look at this. Story from the Hill Dot Com club, Shar and Rubio and ask the CDC to investigate reports of Corona virus, causing strokes in younger patients. Oh, just one. We thought it was safe. For Kids Ono strokes. As my friend, so they've convinced us. All people are at risk. But they're gradually working on spreading the risk to virtually every age group, every demographic, all three sex about twenty six is I. Guess All religions whatever? In other words, my friends, no one safe where all dead. Can't only a matter of time. Which of course is a gigantic truism? Senators Amy Klobuchar Marco, Rubio of Florida are asking the CDC. Do assess the risk of strokes in younger and middle aged corona. Virus patients. We believe it's critical that the CDC evaluate the prevalence of stroke and covert nineteen patients. Including the potential link to draw from the development of blood clots caused by the virus. Well You see my friends. There's no hiding from. There's no escape for those of you in real. Escape for the rest of you, let me squeeze a quick phone call in before we have to abandon the content portion of program for this hour. Scott in Pittsburgh. Great to have you Sir Hello. Hello Sir continue prayers for your good health I hope everything works out for you. Thank you sir. Thank you very much I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay quickly on the your point about the experts claiming climate change, and they claim that they have decades and hundreds of years of evidence, and then they turn around, and they say that I'm an expert on corona virus. Well, how can you be an expert on corona virus? If this is something, that's new. There's no science behind. It That is a very good question. They're not claiming to be experts in corona virus. Per Se they're claiming experts in public health. Experts in medicine, they are experts in public policy. They are experts in what you're right. Corona viruses new the only experts that virus. TRICALM's and they're not talking. Exactly yes. Yep, I was listening to you and you'd mentioned about the experts, the climate change and that just. Came to mind as far as the coronavirus. Say This is all this program inspires thought. Out there is one of the things I'm most proud of. I'm I'm happy I'm happy to hear that if I'm just talking to the way the media folks. Not, just the media, but the activists. The progression. The outright the the the. The virus yet, look at all. This is no different than trump Russia collusion story one lie after another posed as a leak, a possibility or what have you? Okay gotta take a quick time out here top of the hour and then we'll be back. And resume the second. Excursion and in broadcast X. Right here on the EIB number. Bills expressed by the hosts on this program documented to be almost always right ninety nine point eight. percent of the time great to have you with us here on the EIB network the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Studies of everything that matter. Telephone number if you WANNA be on the program with US Eight, hundred, two, eight, two, two, eight, eight, two and the email address. Elrushbo at EIBNET DOT us. Richard Burr is a senator from north. Carolina and he's he's in the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he's not a lot of Republicans favorite Republican senator. Many people think he allows himself to be walked all over by Mark Warner. Who is the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee? But Senator Burr got deep Doodoo. Turns out. That he sold a bunch of stock positions. Right before the market crashed. Because of the corona virus. And it was suspected that he thus and therefore had inside information. So there has been action taken against him by the FBI. Now! I know a lot of people think. That Senator Byrd deserves this, because obviously did something. And I'm not you know I I don't know but. I. Don't know about this, but I. Folks! I just have to tell you something. After everything we've learned this week. About Corrupt Democrats the F.. b. i. POPs yet another Republican. Now, he may deserve it I. Don't know, but the idea that all of these Democrats are running essentially Scott free. We're just a bunch of lip service. From Republicans about how we'RE NOT GONNA put up with this. We're going to investigate. We're going to have hearings. This cannot stand. And while we do all this huffing and puffing, and all this talking, they keep taking Republicans out. Now, a lot of people are curious how the hell did the FBI. Collect any information on Senator Burr the best I have been able to learn. Is that the F. B. I got a copy. Of I cloud data that belonged to him. He's the backup of his iphone. So he has an iphone and he's Yousafzai cloud and I don't even know if he knows it or not. You Know I. Don't know how techie. People are but the default position is that. Your phone and your IPAD will back up I cloud automatically. Now, it's not it's not a full backup of things, but it is a backup data. They don't back up the APPS. Because if you need to restore those that'll happen from the APP store, but it is a backup of data. And apparently the FBI got a copy. Of Cloud data belonging to Senator Burr. After serving apple, a warrant, compelling apple a hand over the data. So they didn't have to get into his phone. If they had gone to apple. And Ask for away like a back door or way into his phone without knowing the. and we'll have whether he's fingerprint, ID or face, ide- or whether they knew his four or six digit. Code. Apple would refuse that. Apple's been refusing those kind of requests ever since they've been made the FBI anybody else local. Police authorities have been asking apple for a back door into the devices back door into the operating system. Software and Apple Says No. But. If you show up at Apple. If YOU'RE FBI and you've got a warrant, then, apparently, they can turn over. Your cloud backup data so the FBI used the data in Senator Burs. I cloud backup. To obtain another warrant to then sees his phone. As, part of the investigation into whether to senator broke the law to profit from the corona, virus crisis. Los Angeles type says Senator burst sold a significant percentage of stock portfolio. In thirty three different transactions on February thirteenth just as his committee. was receiving daily Corona virus briefings and a week before the stock market decline sharply. Much of the was. Invested bursts knock invested in businesses. That in subsequent weeks were hit hard by the plunge market. Here remember when this happened. I mean people were livid. Burr escaped massive losses. By selling his positions before they the market, the market tanked. He turned over his phone to agents after they served a search warrant. On him at his residence in Washington. Now, a official here be FBI. is saying all this on condition of anonymity? Because, he not allowed to speak about it, but that's not stopping him, is it? Such a warrant being served on a sitting US senator. Would require approval from the highest ranks of the Justice Department. And it's a step that would not be taken lightly. Kerry cubic justice department spokeswoman declined to comment. Well guess who runs the Oj. A Bunch of Republicans Guess Senator Burs Republican. So this is what I'm saying. He may He may be guilty. I, Dunno, that's not but with all that we are learning about Democrats and their culpability and the littoral criminal activity they have been undertaking for the last three and a half years, and another Republican gets popped here by a Republican DOJ. A, second! Enforcement, officials said. That F. B. I.. Agent served a warrant in recent days on Apple. To obtain information from Bourzai. Cloud accounts at agents use data obtained. From Apple and the cloud account is partly evidence used to obtain the warrant for his phone number. Now they may have his phone, but unless he participates. And cooperates they don't have a way into it. He's going to either have to unlock it himself when his face kinda phony has. If. He's got an iphone ten class, and of course, that's face ID if he has anything prior to an iphone ten Dan. He is dealing with the a fingerprint ID. So, but he regardless apple will not. Help the FBI unlock anybody's phone per se. Well, if you WANNA, keep your stuff secret. Don't Brecon the law number one number two. That won't protect you if you're a Republican. Come after you anyway, so yeah, you might want to be. I'm not going to sit here and tell you to turn off your cloud backup. I'm just telling you that's how they found. What they wanted from Bir. I'm just telling you that. They didn't need to get into his phone. And they can't get into his phone without his help. And, if you don't want to use the cloud backup, there's other ways to back up your phone. The primary reason for an I cloud backup aside from having a backup is when you get a new phone new IPAD. Is the easiest thing in the world now to set up the new phone using that backup, but but you don't even need an I cloud backup anymore. Because with the in the release of Iowa's thirteen last September. You now have another way to set up a new device call transfer. And the options presented with the phone side-by-side. When you get the new phone, the old phone to left. New Phone on the right. Swap the stem cards. And go through the process of setting up a new phone. Eventually. You'll see all you need to do to. To pair the two funds, essentially you get an option to transfer, and what that does is wirelessly wirelessly. Transfer everything on your old phoned the new phone. Use a backup of any kind doesn't restore from Mitchell literally clones the phone he takes about an hour and a half Max depending on how much you have on your phone. And it says everything it sends your passwords. All of your Wifi Password. Your passwords or Website passwords. So that when it finishes, your new phone is a clone. So there. You don't even need an I cloud backup now to restore a new device. So yeah, you would be but I'm not going to sit here and tell people zap. The I cloud backup don't don't. Whatever you do, don't do that because of me. Now, yesterday folks I told you about the this great new coffee Mug. From Ember. I got it as a Christmas present. I had never heard of it I didn't know what it was. All I knew was. That I used to serve myself coffee in one of the service tumblers that we make available. At the store because it's insulated. And, of course it keeps things hotter longer, and it keeps things colder longer and doesn't sweat. When you put ice cubes in there, but still. Hot Beverages cool off. To the point that you can have what's left in the mug undrinkable because it's gotten room temp cold. So I get this this gift. And it's a Mug. This is a hold up here at the dental campus the fourteen ounce version. And it goes on a saucer. That is a charter. A full charge lasts an hour hour and a half. And there's an APP for your phone. That you used to pair the Mug with your phone. It uses the Bluetooth. And after you do that, you can then select the temperature that you want the beverage and you can select if you can select it for coffee for tea, hot chocolate whatever? There are default temperatures for all of those. You can change them. and. You can watch it work the IPHONE apple. Tell you and show you as the temperatures approaching whatever you've said it to be. The cool thing about this. Is that after your desired temperature has been hit. It doesn't cook the coffee. That was the one thing I was leery about. Because? The old days of a coffeemaker at home and office, and you put it on the burner. And it stays there and have to spend on the burner all day. The Coffee Pot is oh. Because it's cooked, it's burns and I thought well. How can this? Not, ending, Osama, but it doesn't Cook it. It keeps it. Tasting is fresh in two hours is right when you poured it out of the out of the pot. Like I've had this Mug here half full. For profits showstopper. Our I've maybe had one sip of it now. Normally I'd have to throw this out because it'd be cool to room temperature. But it's just like I poured it out of a freshly made pot right now. Now the the one I was given. Developed a problem, it would not. Well I I. Don't think it was charging properly and the mechanism. The flashing lights on the Mug change colors based on what's happening. Certain color when you're desired. Temperatures been hit. A certain color when the Mug is charging certain color when a full charge! Has Been Hit and my. Lights not going through the full spectrum so I never knew, but you can check the charge on the APP on the iphone. Anyway, I was having a problem. I got hold of customer service and they were awesome. They were just. Customer Services that that to me is where many companies make. And they ended up sending me a replacement, even for it came in a couple of days ago. They send me the fourteen ounce one. Because they had my. My my daily have to fill out the data when you make us customer service call or email like I did I had found a workaround for the for the one that I didn't think was working. I just leave it on the saucer. Therefore, it's constantly charging stays full charge, but you can take off the saucer walk around for an hour and it will keep the temperature that you've set. And it's embryo. This note. From A. From a friend rush, those mugs really work. You were talking about him yesterday. Really work. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA buy two of them if they do no, they don't work. I was lying through my teeth. These ember mugs. What do you mean was telling the truth? You would not believe how often that. Let me tell you the truth about something else. I have come across a first time author. Who is fantastic? Name is Christopher Russell. He's got two new books out one of these guys. He's been working his whole life. While, dreaming about being an author. And it's what he's really. His hobby is passionate. He's always wanted to do what he wasn't doing. So finally sat down and actually without having a publisher dealer sat down and wrote. A thriller novel about. Terrorism and sailboat races and so forth. And a very unlikely heroes, an F. B. I.. Statistician and is not an agent who is thrust into the role of becoming an agent. And James Patterson is a is golf buddy. Bunch of US here and Christopher's Dad took the manuscript James Patterson. And just say. Would you read this? You know you're the best in the business at this stuff. Tell me what you could. Patterson raved about in fact, James Patterson said this book is so good. I can't even show it to my publisher. My publisher, my throw me overboard if me saw this. He was joking. But Patterson is raved about. It's got a blurb on the cover now it's available in e book. And paperback. Right now, self published. And it's available both. At Amazon and kindle, kindle, store and Apple. ibooks. The book I like only two dollars and forty nine cents. Paperback versions are eighteen. Fifty and there are two of them. There's a two book series. The first one is called false assurances in the second one. The. What did I do? I must have thrown away. Oh. Look to is threat biased and anyway it's about the. Very Unlikely Hero and FBI. Statistician. He's a operation guys. Not An agent is overweight. He's the he's the lack of everything. You think you can get FBI agent. He gets thrust into a case. Because, everybody else's occupied on the job at the presidential visit in Boston. He gets thrust into it. He's the only guy who sees the potential threat here in his office. And forces his way. Onto the case and I'll tell you I could not stop reading the book it got to be about one thirty in the morning and I had to put it down on. I couldn't quit. So if you're at home and you are looking for things to do TV reruns of started now you see everything there. You really OUGHTA got I mean I. Remember when Joel Rosenberg, wrote his first book member Mr Snerdley. Joel Rosenberg worked at the limbaugh letter. He wrote a novel. Lebron animated how K I. I have to read this as to be nice and I couldn't put it down. This is the same. This is exactly the book is called. False assurances is the first and a two book set. Paperback Eighteen Bucks the book is to for. You can't afford not to have these things. But they are really. Really good. I don't know what's going to do I. Work hard last night to stop reading and go to bed about halfway through the through the first Christopher Russell is again the authored, and it's in the budding up and comer. Who impressed the heck? Out of James Patterson doesn't get any better than that brief break. We'll be back and continue after this. Don't go away. No Mr Snerdley the title is false assurances. and. Rosso is spelled R. O. S. O., W. Christopher Rosso. SOS false assurances. The title of book here is Jo. Leinen Vancouver Washington great to have you on the EIB network hello. Rushland by. It is my pleasure to talk to you. Thank you for taking my call. You bet crazy. Thank, you thank you, very. Prayers to every day I wanted to talk to you and say that you are correct. The democratic. States are definitely being held hostage at this point with their stay at home. Order question about. I am from Washington State. Jay Inslee is our governor and Donald Trump was correct. He is a snake. in our state I. Don't know about any other state, but he has implemented. Tact tracing. The National Guard the wait wait wait. WHOA, Whoa, WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA he has implemented all ready. Absolutely House to begin tomorrow. It is on the Washington state page. He comes on every day and talks to us about it I'm not sure the legalities of it, but he is doing it. What would forget the legalities? How does it work? Here's how it works rush. He hires probably about thirty five hundred contact tracers. These are folks from the National Guard the Department of Health the DMV they will be coming to your homes, and they will be knocking on your door and asking if they could take and test you for cove it. Say You. Don't WANNA be tested. There are going to be measures taken if you decide not to Columbia. Contract that that doesn't sound explicitly like what contract trace it or contact tracing is. But but love look, hang on. We'll continue this after the break. Don't go away. Meeting and surpassing all audience expectations everyday rush limbaugh be end. The Golden EIB microphone. Now we go back to Joe Lean in Vancouver, Washington Jolie. Let me explain to you. How contact tracing is going to work. I don't. I could be wrong I. Don't think it's been implemented yet. IT IS A. Is a plan that has been offered jointly by apple and Google and involves a cellphone. Both people have to be self, but what happens is is that you go about your life and you render interact with people, and somehow because the tech you'll have an APP on. The phone will have all kinds of. Stuff to do you have to agree to? All this is that if you encounter somebody with the virus, you'll find out. Or if you have it, they will find out and it's because the contact that you have this. It's one of the ways of finding out who's walking around with the virus. And there's a lot of people really upset about this that don't think this is Kosher, that's violation of privacy. A lot of people are are speaking out against it. people's at what the hell are Google and apple trying to really accomplish by jointly going into this. It sounds like what's happening. Where you live is just got an army of thirty five hundred people that are going to storm your homes in demand to test you. And if you don't agree, then, what are they gonNA? Do punish you? Somehow what? What? What? What happens if you refuse to be tested? Refuse to be tested I believe they could. They could then their their tactics. They can get arrest warrant they can. I I I read the details a couple of times, but they could. They could come in they if they decide that. Your child has covert or parent has cove in the home. They can take the child to lay. There's three facilities that they have already in Washington state. To take I suppose children or anyone that needs to be isolated. Area outside the home. It's very disturbing here. Rush in Washington state. What's happening? A lot of people are very very nervous. Our governor has taken over as dictator in some sorts, and it's becoming increasingly stressful increasingly. you know restaurants are going to be required. We can open restaurants, but they're going to be required to take our name address and ours email. I mean that's invasion of our privacy, and that is just another way to not let these businesses succeed. That that is going to keep a lot of people out of these restaurants. They're not going to show up at all if they have to give over their contact data to the state. To the authorities. As. They're guilty of something by showing up at a restaurant for crying out loud. Now, are you? Are you certain that they can take your kid away from you. If the kid does positive gotta be very careful here because I don't I haven't seen that. Anybody can call here and say anything and be wrong accidentally. I got to be very guarded on that. That key I've not seen that governor inslee has a bunch of people will take people's babies away if they test positive. Yeah I guess if I can put you on speakerphone. I could read some of the things that I have, but I can't put you on speakerphone, but it is disturbing here in Washington state. We wish we could get some help from somebody Jay. Inslee is just going overboard with a stay home orders this this thing, maybe getting blown out of proportion with You know it is quite scary, though to think that you know, he's hiring people from the National Guard, and all that and they're great people. They're like you and I don't get me wrong. They're gonNA. Be doing a job, but it is a little disturbing. When you hear the things that they're I, I could send you some things. You can look things up on the Washington state legislator Let us late a page. just some things that he's implement implementing. So Yeah, very scary I'm I'm very. I'm very aware of. Governor Inslee and his politics. And I'm very aware of proclivities, and so forth and I'm not. Look I'm just I'm just have to be careful I. I. It's anybody can call. Please don't be insulted, but anybody can call here and say anything and I I. I I just haven't heard. That the governor of the state of Washington has facilitated a bunch stormtroopers. Go Take People's babies out of their houses. If they're testing, but you could well be right, but I've got to find out for myself. The that I would say. Is that sadly, you are probably in the minority in your state. I mean the people that stayed in elected this guy. And I'll tell you what I've been looking for all of these blue states. I'm not seeing anybody revolting there. I mean California, La County just shut down through the entire summer yesterday. And all I see is acquiescence to it I. Don't see anybody out of shape about it I don't see anybody revolting i. don't see any revolution I. Don't see anybody particularly upset about they just sit there and take it. Same thing in state of Washington. You're probably in the minority. People did not vote for the guy would not vote for the guy and don't like him, but the majority of people did. And so he's not getting a whole lot of. pushback you. Elections have consequences and. and all of that anyway I appreciate the call and I feel for the this whole blue states situation so obvious to me. They are willing. To do whatever they can. Are. To thwart a nationwide economic recovery. All in the service. Of the project to defeat and get rid of president, Trump Marty in Orlando Florida your next great to have you on the EIB network. Hello, hello, rush, Ditto Orlando thank you, sir, in reference to the judge in the Flynn case, how does a person in the judicial branch of government ignore decisions from the executive branch when it comes to dropping the Flynn case and appoint a former federal judge to an essence, be a prosecutor, and that person has no affiliation with the executive branch. How is this not a separation of powers issue? It is and he's going to do it until somebody tells him he can't until somebody stops. Zimmer thwarts him in fact. The Supreme Court ruled unanimously just last week. Against the improper use of mucus briefs now unfortunately. The Supreme Court's list of examples did not include cases like this where prosecutors simply drop the case. But the majority opinion unanimous written by Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg. Made Plan your exact point. The executive branch rules and dominates here and all of this Emeka Stubborn, a Miki Friends of the court to fort and turn judges into activists is unconstitutional and not to be permitted, and this judge is going to do it anyway until somebody makes him stop. He's this is a political move. It's not judicial. and. You're absolutely right. He's bringing in somebody who's already biased as already judged the outcome of the case because he wrote in Washington Post I. Bet about this is why John Sullivan chose this clown. His name is gleason. And what's going to happen here? Is Two things. He's either going to try to play this out as long as he can. And delay the adjudication of this hoping that trump loses. So that the Democrat wins, the White House gets a new attorney general, and then reactivates the plan case. or He's GonNa go ahead and sentenced Flynn. To serve jail time. On the basis that Flynn has pled guilty. And he's not GonNa let the Department of Justice throw the case away or drop it. The purpose of that would be to force a presidential pardon. And I think both of these possibilities. Are Active. I think Judge Sullivan clearly an activist judge. These people for what what? We have no idea why they despise this Guy Flynn. And the Obama people despise this guy. There's something behind this that we don't know yet. The reasons for destroying this guy. It's. It's got to be something that he knows or might talk about. They are clearly trying to intimidate this guy into whatever happens with his case to never saying a word about it again. They are purposely not letting him up for air. They are continuing to smother this guy. Just frightened. Threaten to intimidate, however they can. And what I think! The sooner. We get the sooner we get to. Our trump just announces a pardon. Be Done with it. And then go after the judge. Within the parameters of the law if that's what's called for here. But go ahead and announce a pardon and end this. because. That's where this is headed. Anyway I'll guarantee you if they sounds Flynn. Based on his guilty plea, which was coerced. His guilty plea was made to stop. The destruction of his family and his son. He pled guilty falling on a sword in other words. He did not plead guilty because he did anything because he didn't. He did not lie to the FBI. You know what? It may be useful. For me to tell you how this all began with Flynn. I can do it very briefly. Because I'm a master communicator will do that. We get back for the break. Don't go away. AND WELCOME BACK! It's rush, Limbaugh, the EIB network, happy to have you with us all right so. The FBI has has Michael Flynn on their sites and they've got to get rid of him. We now know because of documents that have been released that they were chatting among themselves. What their objective with Flynn was. We WanNA get him fired. Do we want him caught in a perjury trap where we prosecute him? What is our objective here? These were questions going back and forth, and it was decided that they would try to get him fired to get rid of him. So. He is completely unaware of any of these plans. As far as Michael Flynn's concerned, he's the national security adviser. Trump is the president and the FBI is on their side. The FBI and law enforcement DOJ all under the executive branch umbrella. We're all the same team or I'll out after the same bad guys Flynn has no idea. That he's being targeted. So James Comey. Who has bragged about this Nicole Wallace on MSNBC? said he decided to send a couple agents to the White House to conduct a criminal interview with Flynn. But not tell him that that's what was happening. So. He said Peter Struck and another agent to go. Just have have a conversation. I ran into Flynn in the hallway in the West Wing. And he just started talking about things. In Flint had no idea they did not tell him. It was an official interview. They did not tell him that he needed a lawyer. They started asking him about his conversation with the Soviet the Russian ambassador. which was totally unnecessary? That conversation had happened on December twenty ninth, and they had the transcript of it. They had already unmasked Flynn. They knew everything he said to the Russian ambassador. And yet they're asking him about the conversation. Anyway. Hoping that he says something that's different than what's on the transcript, so then they can say. He landed us. They set him up. And even in those circumstances when this interview is over, even struck went back to the FBI. I don't think the guy lied to us. But even though the interviewing agents said that they didn't think Flynn lied since the purpose was to get him in a perjury trap. They told him that he did. They accused him of lying to the agents. Komi was asked about this. He said well. You know we only able to do it because it was a new administration, and they're not sophisticated and how these things work. At Ben the Obama Administration the Bush administration. I would never even tried this I would have never gotten away with it, but this administration didn't know enough. To tell my agents that they had to go arrange a chat with Flynn with the White House counsel. This administration was new. They didn't know how things operated. More importantly, the administration had no idea. That the F.. B. I was working to get rid of Flynn and to get rid of trump. They knew there was some Russian investigation going on the FBI been lying to trump for weeks about the fact that he wasn't a target. So. Flynn was not totally needed a lawyer. He was denied due process. He wasn't even told he was being criminally interviewed. He was asked questions. About a conversation. that the F. B. I.. Agents already had a transcript border. There was no reason to ask him about this unless they're trying to set up a process crime of perjury, which is exactly what happened? This is what Flynn pled guilty to. Why do these two agents? That were part of a setup even after the interview. They admitted they didn't think Clinton lied. Judge Sullivan knows all this. Everybody in this case knows. What an ADB Jack Miscarriage of justice. And Malpractice on the part of the FBI and the DOJ regarding Flynn this was, and they are still trying to railroad the guy. What I told you is among the many reasons that the attorney general has dropped the case. There is no Prescott. There was no trump Russia collusion. Flynn hadn't done anything. He did not give away American secrets talking to the Russian ambassador. He did not attempt undermine Obama's so called sanctions that he had placed on Russia in December of two thousand and sixteen. This was entirely setup and manufactured bar finds out about it as part of Durham investigation. He knew it before then throws the case out on the basis that there isn't a case. They have never had a case against Flynn. But. Rush but Russia pled guilty. After wiping him out folks. After taking away his home in legal fees after having his son BA threatened with the same kind of treatment. He pled guilty to save his family. He pled guilty to fall on the sword. Judge Sullivan knows this to. Judge Sullivan knows all of this. And by the way this is, the cliff notes version I'm giving you the essence of it, because I have the talent and he literally a master community and most people take thirty minutes to tell you. What I just squeezed in here in a matter of five minutes. This is how outrageous this is. With Komi. On television, bragging about how easy it was. To set Flynn up. Because this new administration was a bunch of neophyte unsophisticated googlers at the slightest idea what was going on, they were so easy to set up. They were so easy to fool. They were so easy to lie to in. The audience is applauding Komi. As. He says this stuff. To Nicole Wallace was a live show on MSNBC. Take a break. We'll be back in continue after this woman. It is the fastest hours in media. Improve visit to other already gone and everything where they go. They Happen Fox. They were just so solid, so jam packed that you were so occupied. You had no concept. Of the passage of time same thing will happen with the next hour which GonNa kick off here and just a matter of minutes, so be patient tight. Be Right back. Right all right I WANNA go back. Great to have you elrushbo on the EIB network where we have more fun. than a human being should be allowed to have because. I don't know Fox I'm very lucky. I'm blessed I get to do what I was born to do I. I get to do what I have wanted to do. Since I was eight years old and I'm not. Making that up, I wanted to be on the radio some time first second grade because I hated school and a guy on the radio. Every morning sounded like he was having fun. Not. He was looking forward to the day when all I saw was prison. And so here I am a fifty sixty years later. Doing, what I was born to do great to have you with. US wouldn't be possible without you. What's that? Snerdley. The name of the book is false assurances. Sterling keeps purposely getting e. Christopher Rosso. I've I recommended this book actually in this series first time author. About pursuing a dream. Is is just wanted to be a writer, his whole life, and and finally tried it and self publishing on Amazon and I books at Apple and they're great i. mean I I one is false assurances and I'm. Literally had trouble stopping. Reading this to go to bed last night. Anyway, false assurances. Now. It's about an F. B. I. Systems analyst he's. Not, an agent, he's an overweight. This the entire opposite of what you think of when you think of FBI agent. He's thrust into the role. Of, an agent. because of an event that happens when everybody's out of the office planning for a presidential. To Boston. He's thrust into this. Case that nobody thinks is going to amount to anything anyway so. This guy is giving. His name is Ben Porter. He's given the case because everything's. He's SCHLUB. And it doesn't matter, and it turns out to be a huge thing. And once once this book gets going I'm telling you I read books now. There's no turning pages, but you swipe on the IPAD and I'm swiping like crazy. Pages, so Snerdley keeps goading meet here. With the title false assurances the second book same character. Is called threat by now. I went and looked. The TV show Pennyworth. You're talking about. This is the how the Butler Batman. I tried man. I tried. I couldn't get past third episode of this thing. I. Don't know why. Why did you think I would love that series? Board the hell out of me. I stuck with it. Hoping that the next episode it'd be something in this. To keep me there, I, just it. It it failed to connect. With me. Pennyworth! That's the name of Batmans Butler at Bruce Wayne's Butler. An Italian got started before he became the how he became the the Butler. Now I think I got through to two, maybe three when I still got it. Man I can still pick it up. You can't compare this to tiger, case or whatever tiger what? Tiger you can't. You're not comparing this tiger king. Oh! There's no compare, don't. Oh. Now, Tiger King I couldn't even get through the first episode. Tiger is the kind of show that makes me think the country's doomed. Tiger. King is a Kinda show. That makes me think I've. BEEN WASTING my time here for thirty years. Tiger Tiger king is the kind of show. That makes me think. That! None of what happens here or on Fox or anywhere else matters, because the country is a bunch of absolute dumb. By Better Watch. Nothing to write home about country. And, the fact that it now is the most watched. Or was for while. In history. All right well. Anyway actually. I did not act on my fears. I mean I continue to have great hope and faith in the country. I'm just saying this stuff to be that that show. That show that tiger king that kind of show that. Can't possibly be happening in our country. That's got to be happening somewhere else and you find out. No, it's run only on the country. It's happening right up the road here in Florida. She's. Okay Now I looked up. What's going on in the state of Washington? We have a nice woman. Call claiming that governor Inslee, who really is A. I don't think the elevator goes top floor there. An Order of fries short of a happy meal. Looks like a Paluku. I knew didn't stand a chance. In the Democrat primary big clone that climate change global warming. That was his. Signature. But the woman calls it. He's implementing new policies. Contact tracing and he's going to send the National Guard. Homes and if your baby test positive, they're taking the baby out of the. Out of the house a wait, wait. I stopped her. There said I can't. I haven't heard that. I got to be very guarded here because anybody can call and say anything and some people sound authoritative when they say things. And I have to be very careful about it. And I've had a number of people who have since communicate. Rush guarantee you. If any governor had set up such a policy unit hearing about it, because there's no way responsible, mother, and father or GonNa let some state appointed goon, come in and take their baby away from. It just isn't going to happen if somebody tried it you to hurt by now. But here is the what I did. Find the contact tracing. And in California. I'm told they've hired upwards of. Thirty thousand people. Ask contact tracers. If is a way to identify. People who have covert nineteen and either know it or don't know it. But it's a way to identify them, so that action can be taken. One way or the other? So it's in the state of Washington. Before I get to that. Apple and Google have joined forces. To try to assist. In the in the objective of program contact tracing. And I, frankly I haven't read when I've seen. The stories I've seen the blog posts on it I just. I haven't taken the time to delve into them deeply. So I'm not informed enough to tell you exactly. How the Apple Google? Plan works but from what I have gathered. It will require apps on your phone. You're not identified. Per, se I mean, there's not. Your phone is transmitting data about you, but not its atomised. It's not tied to your name, they say. And it is a way for people who are carrying the virus. Is a way to learn who they have been in contact with. So that those people can be notified. That you have been in contact with this Schlub over here. Who was walking around with the virus in? You might not known it, so you need to go get tested now. So it's being presented. As a compassionate way of tracking carriers and informing the unsuspecting victims. Of the. Of the of the carrier, so the way it works in the state of Washington. There's a little graphic here that they have setup. And? It's a it's a five step process. whereby they attempt to isolate. Carriers. Of the virus and keep them at home. It's confinement pawn first symptoms. The minute you become. Aware that you've got the virus you are. Maybe we can find and then. Whoever you've been in contact with. Is learned, and that's what your phone does. Your phone keeps a record by way of Bluetooth. And NFC your phone because of the absolutely on it keeps a record of who you've given content. Don't mean you've texted them. You've walked past them. You have been within six feet of them. It doesn't mean you've sent them an email. It doesn't mean you've cinema text. Get means that you were within a certain proximity to them. This is what the Google Apple APPs will do. And so after you begin suffering symptoms, you can find, and then whoever you've come in contact with is learned and they are. Informed. That they have been in contact with somebody carrying the virus. And if they. Are also symptomatic than they are to confine themselves. And then testing. Continues throughout the next two weeks of all these people that have been identified as having been in contact with somebody has a as the the virus it is. is carrying it. So. But, but it it it requires Both Bluetooth NFC and certain kinds of. Technology that the phones already have on them. The every phone has an NFC chip in it now, and every phone has bluetooth well. The smartphones do some of the the cheap flip phones. The Samsung things don't. But if you're talking about anything, that's four hundred dollars or more. It's going to have the tech in it. And as I say in California Twenty to thirty thousand people are being hired just to walk around. And make contact. To try to identify carriers. People have have it may not know it a lot of people have this virus a symptomatic. And they are. The thirties, a very curious about identifying them. For the supposed- antibody. opportunity. About it as well I want to go to the sound bites. Had this. This whistle blower up there today. This guy. This guy named Rick Bright, and I'm telling you folks. It is nothing more than an extension of the Mueller investigation. It is being treated as the next or an extension of the cavenaugh hearings in terms of the purpose. In terms of the opportunity to left thought that these things presented. It is an extension of impeachment trump colluding with the president of Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden whatever it was. So they got this whistle blower in their. Doctor Bright and he's out there claiming that in his department of Government nobody's taking it seriously that trump is a buffoon that nobody knows what they're doing that. We're not prepared all. It's all designed to be dumped on trump. As someone who is over his head doesn't know what he's doing going to get us all killed. and. Here is a bit of his. I guess his opening statement here. When the hearing began this morning, our window of opportunity is closing. If we fail to improve response now based on science I fear the pandemic will get worse and be prolonged. There will be likely a resurgence of covid nineteen this fall it'll be greatly compounded by the challenges of seasonal influenza without better planning twenty twenty could be darkest winter in modern history. All nation was not as prepared as we should have been as we could have been. Some scientists raised early warning signals that were overlooked and pages from our pandemic playbook were ignored by some leadership oh. My God Fox. Without Better Planning Twenty, twenty, two, the darkest winter in modern history wonder who wrote that for the guy. Some scientists noticed that some scientists automatically we have to accept. Some scientists said off infallibility. Some scientists raised early warning signals that overlooked because trump is a buffoon in trump's care and from thinks he knows everything. I was ignored. I was not allowed to be a big guy in this. Nobody knows who I am. And that's what this is all about, so people can learn who rick bright is. Pages from our pandemic playbook were ignored by some leadership. Those of us who know what we're doing ignored. Trump doesn't care trump's buffoon. We hate trump. Trump's got to go. So now we move onto questioning. And one of the greatest examples like give you as to what this is really all about what its purpose is. Is Eliot Engel Elliot. ingle is a Democrat from New York. He's now questioning Dr Bright. The former Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority director Dr Rick. Bright listened to the question they answer. President has sidelined. Best scientists push faces conspiracy theories, and more recently described unproven remedies like Lysol. To suffering Americans president encourage doctors to. The Queen. Did. You hear that. President trump is sidelined are scientists. Who Trump sidelined? Anybody know who I mean Dr. G is still there. At Dr Burks. The scarf queen is still there. The CDC guy is still there the Fiba Guy. They they're all still there. Who is he sideline? But then. More recently, the president prescribed. Unproven remedies like Lysol. No he didn't. President didn't tell anybody to inject LYSOL. He didn't tell anybody to swallow clorox. He didn't do anything of the sort. And that's the purpose of this hearing is so these. Democrats can continue to lie. Trump colluded with Russia. Is a Russian asset being run by Vladimir potent trump prescribed unproven remedies like lysol suffering Americans. Trump has sidelined our best scientists. Trump worked hand in hand with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. None of it's true folks none of it. It's all made up. It's all lies here a little bit more of us before I have to. Take a break to suffering Americans despite a lack of evidence supporting, it's use doctor. What are the dangers of chloroquine? If prescribed incorrectly and what happened when you raise the issue of call the Queen Stop the tape 'cause I gotta go to break now. They're going to try to trash hydroxy Clark one, which is only still being used with great results in France. You know why? Because France turned off CNN. Prescribing there, it's still having favorable result. But now they gotta dump on this and not even permitted to be used because trump recommend. Stuff just wears me out. Here we go back to the phones been patiently waiting here. This is Michael in in Western. Florida, a great question how you doing Michael Good. Afternoon prayers rush. Thank you, Sir! Thank you very much I have two questions if I can. And that's one more than I told Bo but I just it just came up now depends on whether any good or not. Let's try one sounds fair just seeking your opinion on something. Do you think blue state governors mayors will fake face a backlash November over there? Arbitrary lockdown rules have the Democrats overplays. Good question and I have to tell you the based on what I've seen now very little. There has been some pushback in Michigan. But I don't see anybody in Los Angeles or the Bay area pushing back the recent California election Tuesday yeah. But but that's. That's Republican won a seat in California median that talking about it. People are aware maybe. yeah, it's not. That, that was that was a Republican seat for the longest time. Before that Bay one it wonders name or something. And then she got involved in the throttle, the sex thing and threw out of their surprising. A. I don't I don't think that. Is a reaction to it could be I. Don't know if it's a reaction to the. To the governor and the corona virus it I if it is and I'm happy to be wrong about it, but that's. By. I'm thinking your question is. Is there going to be revolt? ARE THEY GONNA be people opening stores in defiance I'm thinking more of in in November will the elections Kinda go read. That well. As much ballot harvesting as they do in California, they've got so much voter, fraud and cheating out there that that is a monumental thing to overcome I'm sorry. I missed you I'll get you your second question since I misunderstood. And welcome back rush, limbaugh, you probably products online right now, and you don't even give it a second thought. When you type in your credit card number and your other personal information. In fact, you're probably using a password manager of some kind and all your credit card information, and whatever else auto fills in need. A keystroke in auto fills in. You don't even have to type it all out. At some point. This process becomes second nature to you. And you execute it fearlessly. You execute it without any concern that anybody is going to one day. Discover it. And it's the only way you could. If you if you were afraid every day that your stuff was going to get hacked and all you wouldn't do it. But you do you trust? 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He's looked at as a lightweight. And these looked at certainly not a conservative and not a fighter. But. It's still a case. The F. B. After the Guy Thinking the act on an insider information by selling a stock portfolio. Just hours before the market crashed because of Gerona virus. So they went out there and they had a warrant. To get his. IPHONE data to find out what he knew and when he knew it. They were able to get several warrant to apple. He got his. Backup cloud backup data. The point is. He's not the only one on a committee to did this. With all the news that we've learned this week about Democrat crime. From the upper levels of the Obama Oval. Office and still the FBI is out there popping Republicans. I'm not saying bird undeserving don't misunderstand, but where the hell is the similar action on Feinstein. Where is any kind of legal accountability for any of these Democrats? Who have gotten away? With destroying trump's presidency or trying to? Perpetuating all of these look at the media for cry I know, they've got First Amendment protections, but stop and think of the media here. The media runs with lie after lie after lie for two years. And everybody that fell them. All of these leaks turns out was lying through their teeth. If I were the media I have all these trusted sources, and they had fed me one lie after another I would be so livid. I'd be so ticked off. I would have told them to go pound sand, but there's none of that. They're not upset at their sources. They're not apologizing that our readers and viewers for misleading them. because. They were all in on it. It never was news. It was a political activist objective. Get rid of trump. Reverse the election results. And in the midst of all this, it's Republicans. That keep getting popped Feinstein's husband soul lawful a whole ton of stocks. After the same corona virus briefing the Richard Burr got just like bird did. Now today, Feinstein's office confirmed she was questioned by the FBI and asked to turn over documents. She still has a seat on the intelligence committee. Senator Dianne Feinstein's office confirmed she answered questions from the FBI. And handed over documents about her husband's stock trades. Now when they report on bird, they use the word rated. FBI raided the offices and the iphone of senator. Richard Byrd today. But when they showed up at Feinstein's office, they sat and had a talk. And she answered some questions very politely, and then she volunteered to give the FBI Simba records. But Richard Birds. iphone was see Feinstein's records were given. There was a warrant executed against Richard Burr. was there a warrant executed and filed against Die Fi? Did. They have to get her involve from her I cloud backup. So with Di Phi. Oh, she was so sweet so nice ahead a little chat and she willingly participated her husband did it. She doesn't know anything her husband. Her husband is the financial brains in a family I. Don't know I would just sitting here trying to save America from trump Here's whatever you need from my phone with Burr. And I hope this is a lesson to burqas. He's out there like every other Republican. Trying to curry favor with the media, trying to avoid being ripped, like Bush was ripped or by trump is. And it never works. You can't buy them off. Here's here's Michael, but when go back to in western Florida. You have one more question. I'm going to allow you to ask because I misunderstood. I thought you when you asked me if there was going to be blow back, I thought you meant. Would store owners open up in defiance. Would business owners violate the governor's rules. You're asking me if I thought you know if this'll carry over. Yeah in the November. Russia other question, just real quick. What is it? You think you think president trump is still following his gut when it comes to getting, the economy restarted or I'm worried he's of listening too much to the foul. She's of this world. No I think he's following his gut. That's good. He's trusted it for this long. No, he's not. He's not listening to. What he's the position that the trump is in here. He's he's. He's calling these blue state governors out. let me I got the sound bites here. They're all out of order, so it's GonNa. Take me a while to find them. We've got soundbites here of trump. identifying here grab. Six and seven here's trump last night. During a meeting with the governor of Colorado the governor North Dakota. And trump took some questions or reported reporters said. Yesterday Dr Found. She was a little cautious about reopening the economy too soon. Do you share his concern? He wants to play all sides of the equation when He. started playing both sides just. Give surprised by his answer. Actually because you know, it's just. To me, it's not an acceptable. Especially when it comes to schools, it damn well isn't an except, if you. If you say, we can't reopen the schools. You're telling parents. I can't go back to work folks. If the kids are GONNA. Stay home because you can't send him school then the parents can't go to work in that. Believe me has the purpose here. The purpose of keeping schools closed as to keep the Economy Mara. Make no mistake about trump knows it. Next he was on the Fox. Business Network today with Maria Barsha Romo. She said that little found cheese. Major message to be wants to convey is that the danger is if we skip over checkpoints and the guidelines to open America again then we risk danger of multiple outbreaks than he is a good person. Very good person. I disagreed with him. When I closed the border to China, he disagreed with that, and then ultimately he agreed. We have to get the schools open. We have to get our country Hilton. We have to open our country. Do you think your critics want you to keep? It closed going into the election? Yeah, I, do I. DO think it's a political thing. In addition, it was up to some people. Let's keep it closed for a long time. Okay, a longtime and watch the United States. Go down the tubes, not going to happen, so so he gets it. He knows exactly what he's up against here. and he's up against more than faucher. He's up against these blue state governors in these up against the media. He's up against. And the media's not chump change here. He's up against a bunch of people. He knows that he's the target. He knows he knows they're a bunch of people willing to destroy this country's economy to get rid of him. Now, he's following his instincts on this. He's not he's not. Listening? Say listening too much. To the to the foul cheese of the world. He's gotTA listen to some of it. I mean there clearly is a health component here? But I I. Think. You have to worry that he's been co-opting. Which is the nature of your? Trump set on that last sound bite. We played with Maria. Burcham Romo. He said. Gee opposed closing flights from China. He disagreed with that, and then ultimately he agreed. That's that's kind of newsworthy hadn't heard that before. That A found she oppose shutting down flights from. From Wuhan and the Chai Com virus headquarters. Anyway, you know there's a correlation between home break INS and people being in their homes. That's common sense illustrates a point, the number of home burglaries. During this time are down. Some cities are reporting decreases twenty five to fifty percent. From the same period last year in a why because people aren't home. Contrary to what you might think. Burglars don't break in when they think people are there. They. Don't break in when you're asleep. That's for TV shows. They tried to break in when nobody's home. Run into people. Their. Line of work. But it's not always going to be like this. 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Rush Nice to talk to you. A blue state finally one. Wisconsin Supreme Court overturned. The stay at home waters. I saw that. So I guess we're open for business. Until, they can find a way to shut you down there already trying to say well, those justices were all conservatives on that court. As though somehow that disqualifies it. Well Yeah. They also mandated that all future restrictions. TO THE CORONA VIRUS Must be approved by registered legislature. Meaning lockdown shutdowns that the governor just can't do this right right. unilaterally and yeah, and again Fox. This this is Wisconsin. and it was a supreme court. The State Supreme Court with a majority conservative. Vote. It's a great teachable moment. and. It was. It's it's a check. On runaway power, look, I'm still the question about. Will people in the Blue States revolt? It's of really valid quite. Will they revolt to their governors shutting down their livelihoods? Revolt however you define it. Ballot box opened up I. Don't know, but it's going to be the thing to watch as far as I'm concerned. Anything can change a right now. We're going to have vice president pence. On a program at one forty five tomorrow afternoon. So, we'll take a brief twenty-one. Our time out here regroup. And Be Back Betsy. You thanks for being with us.