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"Batchelor show. Herman Melville, the great novelist. But also a poet as well as a short story writer published a piece a short story called the Belton. And in it. He uses an advocate. Seeking to conquer a larger liberty man but extends the empire of necessity. And again as dead seeking to conquer a larger liberty man but extends the empire of necessity. A new book an intellectual adventure, the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world. Greg Grandin is the author. Greg is the author of a previous book that won wide acclaim for its investigation and its intellectual power Ford land area. But right now, he's a professor of history at New York University. We are plunging ourselves into the early nineteen th century. When America now empowered is the land of liberty right after the French revolution. And the rise of Bonaparte is the only land of liberty because the cannons and the royalty are flying again in Europe backup back in their game. But an incident fires up everything in this inquiry. The people who are victims the people who are the victimisers the states that are in transition in South America, the Atlantic slave trade. And of course, the trade in the Pacific. By the new Englanders, the Puritans the people who put together the revolt from England professor a grand evening to you. And I thank you very much for your book. And I I begin with the quote from Melville because your story is about a Melville short story. And before we tell the facts of the story, what was the short story. And what is it? Understood to mean to us here in the twenty first century good evening to you. Good evening. Thanks for having me. Well, well, the short story the novella. It's called Benito cereno when it's this really wonderful story was published in installments in three installments in eighteen fifty five few years after the publication of Moby, Dick and a few years before the coming of the civil war, and it, and it tells the story of a New England capping named Masa Delano, and and the Mazda is sealer, and he's a traitor, and he finds himself in the South Pacific any boards. What do you think? Slave ship. Now Melville tells it all from the point of view of Delano in kind of a first person narrative or a third person narrative, but from the point of view of Delano, and and he and events conspire that he's elected alone on board this ship all day long. You'd think she's told the ship is in distress ran into a storm, and then it hit the doldrums fevers head. And that's why they were no Spaniard very few Spaniards on board accepted, a captain, Benito cereno, and and and scores of west Africans and Delano spends all day on board the ship. And and he can't see that the slaves are actually in charge Melville. Let's read is no that they're in charge. You about two-thirds, and that they were just pretending to be slaves Melville in a series of flashbacks tell the story about how they had risen up seize the ship and demanded to be returned back to west Africa. And then they ran into a Masa ownership and they had two choices. They could have fought for they could have fled. But instead they came up with this remarkable deception this con- game in which they would let Delano board the ship, and they would pretend to still be slaves and most of the action takes place with Delano watching the relationship between the Spanish, captain who he thinks is in charge does rain and the man who is introduced as Serena slave Babo. And and it goes back and forth from being suspicious of the two two fantasy to what it would be like to have. Such a faithful and loyal body servant. It's really this remarkable story that I think that Melville was trying to capture something specific about the moment the US green to civil war. But also something larger it's really the first portrayal has is the picture of a mouse Adela of an American innocent abroad. It was completely oblivious to the social world around them kind of like a precursor to the quiet American. And so just a really really wonderful fascinating and compelling story. And that's the literary facts. Dow's Serena this is and people who call themselves Melville, Ian will recognize what the professor has done is that he's taken that story. Published by Melville was always disappointed in his publication. Greetings by the literary world the eighteen fifties. And the president the professor has D mythologised another. We're going to go from the drama back to the melodrama back to the history because everything that Melville is describing happened, but it happened in a far more complicated fashion. There wasn't a Moscow. Oh, a man who is a distant relative to Franklin Delano Roosevelt Adela, no family. There was such a slave ship. That was the trial that that Melville calls the the San Dominick. There was such an incident where this deception was practiced. But even more interestingly, the slaves the men who are referred to as the slaves in in Melville story have names they have backgrounds. They come from places. They have religions. They have ambitions and the night. Then the weeks of the slave uprising are part of this larger canvas that the professor takes into wonderfully. And we're going to go all there, but we're going to start with a mass Adele who was born in seventeen sixty three. He's born in a place that becomes a prominent, but not rich shipbuilding place called Duxbury. Professor amass Adela. No. He's born is original name is D E L A N E. They eventually dropped the e he's born into a revolutionary family how so what was their perception of the world in the eighteenth century. Yeah. Well, well, Macedonia was born in seventeen sixty three of the year last year the seven year war. He really wasn't kind of into that revolutionary generation and came a young boy when when when the American revolution broke out in Duxbury was fully for the revolution. One hundred percent neck, and there was some and some other communities. They may have been some political polarization with with loyalists and revolutionaries, but not Duxbury. Duxbury was a kind of yeoman town shipbuilding town fishermen town, and it's right across the bay from Plymouth founded the second by by many of the many of the people that came over on the Mayflower and the ship right ships right after the Mayflower and it early on was. Kind of cradle of of what storylines have identified as the radicalism of the American revolution. The idea that the world was perfectible kind of move away from Calvin is gloom of predestination predetermination. The idea that your destiny was fated to this notion that that that individuals were perfectible and society was perfectible, but that individuals could use their reason and virtue and their intellect and and and and the discipline in order to tame their vices and their passions and their appetites, not psychic self-governance could be the foundation of political self-governance and the mustard Illinois was born into that. And he he was raised in that in that in that, very heady optimism. He wasn't born into a rich family. Duxbury began to ex-. Experience some economic stratification around the time of the revolution. And then decades after his father was was was was well off, but not rich. And and and and Masa Dylan, oh, did what a lot of young men in in Duxbury did in order to kind of make good on the promise of the American revolution. That kind of promise of ambition understanding that one self-improvement which actually a virtue wasn't advice as he went abroad. He's taught it became an apprentice sailor and the officer and then a captain of his own ships. I want to concentrate on a mosses imagination because what you present is a far more compelling figure than I find in Melville's world, a man who has has grinding specific ambitions all the time you describe him. But one point is as Zelic of the American revolution at thirteen sneaks away volunteers. He's at Sarah. Yoga he's at Yorktown. He guards prisoners he absorbs the the the what you'd have to say is the romance of liberty. And yet he wants to be well to do he wants to be prosperous. He wants to pull his way through the world. He comes up against however, New England important barriers one of them. Is that New England has this it lives in denial about what slavery means for its prosperity how so professor, well, he must have Dylan is you say he he gets catapulted into world history. And that's one of the other radicalizing things of the American revolution. It gave people of a Dylan. Oh status a chance to kind of feel that they were possesses that they were owners that the world was not their property in a sense in the sense of ownership. But that they that they that they inherited this world, and they can go out and about it. But he he fails. Pretty much, and yes, he's little league of Republicans Elliott because he he does show up at at all of some of the major events that we think of as as as the foundation much founding the modern world is in trouble Lucien and the beginnings of British colonialism in. India participates in the opium trade, he takes a commission on the east east and the and the East India company, the company merchant marine, ship, mapping, Africa and the Indian Ocean. He he's in the Galapagos years before Darwin is always he kind of gets an e begins to experience a lot of the things that we think of as the creation of the world. But he can't quite make it work. He's he's he's largely a failure at everything that he attempts to do. We can't predict for different reasons. We'll come back to them. Just a moment. Professor, then the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world. Greg Grandin is the author. I'm. John batchelor. Retail rapidly. Leading brands cutting through the media is key to attracting consumers and turning them into customers. Studies show that seventy percent of.

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06:56 min | 1 year ago

"benito cereno" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

"Enormous source of riches, a Rhonda is dead. These the ship trials been sailing up and down. It's now gone for water off of Santa Maria island and a Masa Delano going on his own journey of adventure has has met failure. He's a sealer but their seals are played out. Or the market is overwhelmed with seal skins he seals all the way to Tasmania he rescues ship. That's headed for the the the penal colony of Australia, then called a B. Anew anew. What New South Wales he's paid for that? And so he's looking around for the possibility that other ships to be rescued are a source of income. A Masa Delano is a Yankee captain looking to save his fortunes back in New England. A Moscow comes across this ship. He's on board providence, he's been sailing with his brother, and he's going to meet his brother, a rendezvous future, and he comes to Santa Maria island looking for his brother ship, but he sees trial. What is his first opinion? And how does he respond, Greg? Well, he he sees what he calls his memoir. Strange sale. Opening up around the Cape of the island the point of the island. And and he he it looks it looks suspicious. The ship is the trial is now weeks into into its post rebellion post revolt. Journey and that sales attach the hose whole is moss. Moss? Green greenish tinge from the moss from the secret seagrass. And and he doesn't know quite what to make of it. But but he he he he lo- is a boat a whaling boat and the Sealion away boat, and he and a crew paddle over to it rollover to the trial. He's a takes food, and he makes the offer to Benito cereno. But now comes the moment that Melville turns into a drama, and that is the fascination because there's a great deception underway Maury who has Spanish and understands and Serrano and della. No, sh sh Ray, a trade, Spanish and English back together. But MAURICE stands right next to Sarah. No because he's in. Charge of the ship, but della. No, thanks Sereno. Is he doesn't know anything about the drama? He's being deceived. Maury takes the role of the deceiver, and that is a magical position in Africa. And did more was again, I'm asking self-aware or have we teased this out because we're literary, man. Greg. Were they were at the time. This is this is the heart of the matter. And this is what's so captivated melda. When he read it in in a Mossa del and those memoir more in Baba's, obviously, sore, a Delano perseverance the ship, and they they had they had a number of options. Right. They they remember they were starving. They were dehydrated as I mentioned to women and children by this point had had died. One could imagine that they would have done anything that they needed to do to get food to get water. They could have surrended they could have a immediately forte. But instead they came up with this remarkable deception where they would decided that they would let whoever it was. And it turns out it was a mouse, Adele, no board the ship, and they would protect they would pretend to be slaves. The the Maury who could understand some Spanish. Would stick by Benito cereno and and act as if he was so Daniela's body servant, and and what's fascinating about. This is Delano later on in his memoir describes the scene as if he's still entrenched. He's still quite couldn't grasp what had happened that these west Africans had managed to to deceive him. This went on for hours Delano, an experienced marinade circumnavigated the globe the three times this was in the middle of his third voyage third world voyage. He had extensive experience. He he had seen other scenes of slavery and revolution and colonization. So he was a worldly, man. But but he couldn't quite understand. What was going on in front of me? He thought. Maybe perhaps Benito cereno was a pirate or privateer and that this was an elaborate ruse to try to Lee siege to his ship, the perseverance. So he was a little nervous, but he became increasingly fascinated between the relationship between Maury. And and Benito cereno he looked around the ship. He saw scores of west Africans only a handful of Spaniards he asked Benito sit in your what happened. Came up with some story about running into about sailing from Montevideo, then they ran into they ran into a storm, and then they hit the doldrums, and then they the fevers head, and that was how to account for why that was very very few Spaniards on board the ship, and and this went on for hours. Benita Masa Delano sent his men back to his ship and back to Santa Maria. Still the water casks and get food. There's took a long time. So for a very long time. Macedonia was alone on the trial watching this kind of uncanny seen, and this is what Melville magically turns into Benito cereno. But he does rain you as a story is takes place almost exclusively in the mind of a Mazda Delano read is don't know that the west Africans are in charge of things until the end of the story. Just as a Masa Delano didn't know that the west Africans were running things, we're basically running an eight hour pantomime of the master slave relations at three PM, the trial is drifting out from the protection of Santa Maria, a Moscow a sees that things are awry, and he wants money to help the Neto Sereno. Always the Yankee trader it doesn't happen. So he decides to leave. If you've got an Amazon echo, you've got a new way to listen to WMA, Al this is.

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11:31 min | 1 year ago

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"Is the John Batchelor show. Herman Melville, the great novelist. But also a poet as well as a short story writer published a piece a short story called the bell tower. And in it, he uses an advocate. Seeking to conquer a larger liberty man but extends the empire of necessity. And again as dead seeking to conquer a larger liberty man but extends the empire of necessity. A new book an intellectual adventure, the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world. Greg Grandin is the author. Greg is the author of a previous book that won wide acclaim for its investigation and its intellectual power Ford Landa. But right now, he's a professor of history at New York University. We are plunging ourselves into the early nineteenth century when America now empowered is the land of liberty right after the French revolution. And the rise of Bonaparte is the only land of liberty because the cannons and the royalty are flying again in Europe back back in their game. But an incident fires up everything in this inquiry. The people who are victims the people who are the victimisers the states that are in transition in South America, the Atlantic slave trade. And of course, the trade in the Pacific. By the new Englanders, the Puritans the people who put together the revolt from England, professor grand evening to you. And I thank you very much for your book. And I I begin with a quote from Melville because your story is about a Melville short story. And before we tell the facts of the story, what was the short story. And what is it? Understood to mean to us here on the twenty-first century. Good evening to you. Good evening. Thanks for having me. Well, the short story novella. It's called Benito cereno when it's this really wonderful story was published in installments in three a storm in eighteen fifty five two years after the publication of Moby Dick and a few years before the coming of the civil war, and it and it tells the story of a New England sea captain named Masa della. No. And and the Masa Dylan, oh is is a sealer, and he's a traitor, and he finds himself in the South Pacific, he boards what he thinks. Slave ship. Now Melville tells it all from the point of view of Delano. It's kind of first person narrative or a third person narrative, but from the point of view of Delano, and and he and events conspire that he's left alone on board the ship all day long. You'd think she's told the ship is in distress ran into a storm and then the doldrums fevers head, and that's why there were no Spanish very few Spaniards on board that a captain Benito cereno, and and scores of west Africans and Delano spends all day on board the ship. And and he can't see that the slaves are actually in charge Melville. Let's readers know that they're in charge. You about two-thirds, and that they were just pretending to be slaves Melville in a series of flashbacks till the story about how they had risen up seize the ship and demanded to be returned back to west Africa. And then they ran into a moss, Adele ownership and they had two choices. They could have fought or they could have fled. But instead they came up with this remarkable deception this con- game in which they would let Delano board the ship, and they would pretend to still be slaves. And most of the action takes place Delano watching the relationship between the Spanish captain who he thinks is in charge of. And he does rain and the man who introduced that Sereno slave Babo. And and it goes back and forth from being suspicious of the two two fantasizing. What it would be like to have such a faithful and loyal body servant? It's really this remarkable story that I think that Melville was. Trying to capture something specific about the moment as US green to civil war. But also something larger it's really the first portrayal is is depiction of a mouse, Adele. Of an American innocent abroad. It was completely oblivious to the social world around kind of like a precursor to the quiet American. And so just a really really wonderful fascinating and compelling story. And that's the literary facts. Serena this is and people who call themselves. Melville Lyons will recognize what the professor has done is that he's taken that story. Published by Melville who was always disappointed in his publication. Greetings by the literary world eighteen fifties. And the president the professor has D mythologised another is we're going to go from the drama back to the melodrama back to the history because everything that Melville is describing happened, but it happened in a far more complicated fashion. There wasn't a Moscow Delano a man who is a distant relative to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Delano family. There was such a slave ship. That was the trial that. That Melville calls the the San Dominick. There was such an incident where this deception was practiced. But even more interestingly, the slaves the men who are referred to as the slaves in in Melville story have names they have backgrounds. They come from places. They have religions they have ambitions and the night. Then the weeks of the slave uprising are part of this larger canvas that the professor takes us into wonderfully. And we're going to go all there, but we're going to start with a master Delano who was born in seventeen sixty three. He's born in a place that becomes a prominent, but not rich shipbuilding place called Duxbury. Professor a master Dylan. Oh, he's born his original name is D E L A N E. They eventually dropped the e he's born into a revolutionary family how so what was their perception of the world in the eighteenth century. Yeah. Well, well, Macedonia was born in seventeen sixty. Three of the year last year the seven year war. He really wasn't kind of born into that revolutionary generation. He came a young boy when when when the American revolution broke out in Duxbury was fully for the revolution. One hundred percent. And there was some in some other communities than may have been some political polarization with with loyalists and revolutionaries, but not Duxbury. Duxbury was kind of yeoman town shipbuilding town fishermen town. It's right across the bay from Plymouth founded the second by by many of the many of the people that came over on the Mayflower and the ship right ships right after the Mayflower and it early on was. I kind of cradle of of what storylines have identified as the radicalism of the American revolution. The idea that the world was perfectible kind of move away from Calvinism gloom of predestination and predetermination the idea that your destiny was faded to this notion that that that individuals were perfectible and society was perfectible that individuals could use their reason and virtue and their intellect and and and and the discipline in order to tame their vices and their passions and their appetites psychic self-governance could be the foundation of political self-governance and the Macedonia was born into that. And he he was raised in that in that in that, very heady optimism. He wasn't born into a rich family. Duxbury began to ex-. Experienced some economic stratification around the time of the revolution. And then the decades after his father, and was was was was well off, but not rich, and and and and Macedonia. No, did what a lot of young men in in Duxbury did in order to kind of make good on the promise of the American revolution. That kind of promise of ambition on the standing that one self-improvement was actually a virtue wasn't advice as he went abroad. He's taught it became an apprentice sailor and officer, and then a captain of his own ships. I want to concentrate on amasses imagination because what you present is a far more compelling figure than I find in Melville's world, a man who has has grinding specific ambitions all the time you describe in. But one point is as Zelic of the American revolution at thirteen sneaks away volunteers. He's at Sarah. Yoga he's at Yorktown. He guards prisoners he absorbs the the the what you'd have to say is the romance of liberty. And yet he wants to be well to do he wants to be prosperous. He wants to pull his way through the world. He comes up against however, a New England important barriers one of them. Is that New England has this it lives in denial about what slavery means for its prosperity how so professor, well, he he must've Dylan is you say he he he gets catapulted into world history. And that's one of the other radicalizing things of the American revolution. It gave people of a Masa Dylan. Oh status a chance to kind of feel that they were possesses that they were owners that the world was not that property in a sense in the sense of ownership. But that they that they that they inherited this world, and they can go out and about it. But he he fails. Pretty much an and yes, he's a little league of Republicans. Alec because he he does show up at all of some of the major events that we think of as as as the foundation much founding. The modern world is in triple Lucien the beginnings of British colonialism in. India participates in the opium trade. He takes a commission on the east eastern and eastern d companies Indian company merchant marine, ship, mapping, Africa and the Indian Ocean. He he's Galapagos us before Darwin is so he's he kind of gets an e begin to experience a lot of the things that we think of as the creation of the world. But he can't quite make it work. He's he's he's largely a failure at everything that he attempts to do we can't for different reasons. We'll come back to them. Just a moment professor than the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world. Greg Grandin is the author. I'm. John batchelor. One zero five point nine FM and AM six thirty Washington. Small W A L..

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04:34 min | 2 years ago

"benito cereno" Discussed on The Book Review

"Local jail house, and then being put on a ship and sent back to savannah, or or Newport News or somewhere in the south where they were going to be collected by a very angry master. So it basically turned everyone into a kind of vigilante where like in the communist era where you could report on your neighbors, and sort of turn them over to the state. That's right. And you've and fourth people to face the question of what do I do in the face of this unjust law? The law tells me this this is my role as a respectable citizen is to be as you just put it a vigilante. But my conscience tells me something different. I'm looking into the eyes of human beings being treated as a non person and that phenomenon which builds in intensity throughout the fifties. And that the abolitionists to good advantage of by by publishing the memoirs of fugitive slaves by encouraging fugitives to speak in public rallies and present themselves as flesh and blood Uman beings that phenomenon in my view helped to drive the country to the ultimate breaking point. And the civil war it self you quoted Amerson earlier, which is not surprising as literary scholar. How did journalists poets and polemicist to novelists how did they respond to the fugitive slave act in how influential was that response. Well, the journalists were very important and one of the phenomenon of this period is the rise of black newspapers. The black people became fully participating members in American public and intellectual life. For the first time, and that was one of the other consequences of the fugitive slave law. The writers whom we tend to honor by calling them classics Hawthorne, Wittman at ground PO is a southerner certainly had no interest in the welfare of slaves or fugitive slaves, but they by in large looked away. Wittman writes a little bit about the problem. But to my ears mostly about his own virtue in being on the right side of the question off Orn was quite conservative and hope that slavery would somehow go away, but he was very suspicious of agitators Melville was the only one of the major writers who looked squarely at slavery and wrote about its horrors as best he could as a as a white outside or to the institution. Now does that mean that we should write off these writers and condemn them for their myopia? I'm not sure about that. Great writers, don't always take up the pressing issue. Two of the day. But if we wanna be accurate about where they stood we find them mostly standing to the side. Where can we read Melville's writing on slavery? Well, we'll slavery is is actually all over Moby Dick in discrete passages and in certain symbolic ways, but the work in which he most directly addresses it as a great novella of the mid eighteen fifties called Benito cereno, which is the story of a murderous revolt by slaves aboard a Spanish slave ship. And the complete inability of the New England narrator of the story to understand what he is seeing the plumb the depths of what might drive Uman beings to the fury, and despair that is acted out in in that story. I think it's one of the great works of American literature with which we still haven't fully come to terms, and that Novello was based on actual historical event. Guess it was Melville lecture speier. Often took his stories from other sources. But once he was through with it. It was quite another thing. Was it read at the time as an overt kind of analogy or metaphor for what was going on in the United States. The truth is Melville wasn't very much right time. It's hard to say. I mean, it was published in the Putnam magazine. Which was broadly speaking, an anti-slavery periodical. So I don't think there was any mystery about what side of the question Melville was on. But did it have an effect the way certain other books on palms cabin which was read by a lot of people know, it didn't it was really rediscovered by English professors in the twentieth century. It was really the abolitionist press, the free black press and slave narratives that were sort of had the most influence on public opinion. I think that's a fair statement. And and one of the good things that's happened in recent years is that we've come to a broader conception of what American literature was in the middle of the nineteenth century and whereas fifty years ago. Nobody was..

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09:04 min | 2 years ago

"benito cereno" Discussed on KQED Radio

"There was this perfect storm in many of the ones from last year and the ones again this year where you had high winds you had very dry conditions. And then you have a spark that was. Generated by down line, or by one of the systems that was evidently not properly working, and they were about to go out there and fix it. Undergrounding in high consequence areas seems like it makes a lot of sense probably very expensive unbelievably, but so is wiping out a whole community. The people city of pleasure is Donald Trump called. We are also in the midst of commemorating is really the appropriate word for what happened the massacre forty years ago in Jonestown, and you brought this back into the public eye and your book and your own experiences. And as I said earlier, the congresswoman was air with congressman Leo Ryan. She was shot four times five times he was shot forty five times and. You you're there, you know, one of the things that was so striking me in your book and always make literary analogues in my mind. There's a small novel a lot of people don't know by Melville, call Benito cereno it's about a whole dumb show. There's a scene in the novel. In fact, we're Jim Jones is there's a scene in your book where Jim Jones. And all of his minions are cheering extraordinary degree like almost beyond imagination of something positive that Leo Ryan said this was the day before of course, terrible massacre that occurred on the tarmac and you're being shot five times and the cheery. It's like a dumb show. That's why I mentioned, you know, Melville because Melville has a slave ship is taken over, but the black slaves are acting like nothing's really going on. And everything is completely for the white people for a show for the white people. This was also kind of a dump show really was in. What's amazing? How heroin was to read about what what's oftentimes lost is that he you know, he attracted whites and blacks into his people's temple. But the majority of people in the people's temple were African Americans and the hierarchy was made up of whites for the most part. So in many respects, it was run a little bit like a plantation that gets lost. I think in. Some of the stories that recall the environment there, it it's hard to believe that nine hundred and thirteen people could lose their lives because a man said we're going to leave this world now, and you need to drink the cyanide laced Kool aid, and if your child needs to be injected with it we will inject. Now, these were not suicides, and I want to make that point very clear mass murder. That's exactly right. It was a mass murder. These people had lost any. Right of independence. There was mind. Control going on. They had been beaten. They had been sexually abused and much that was happening here in San Francisco and everyone in law enforcement, and the leadership political leadership in our city looked the other way because he was politically connected. He could at a moment's notice. Put two thousand people on the streets to walk precincts or at a rally to show support. And he used that power in a way that made our local elected look the other way. When in fact, there was criminal activity going on right here in the city. And it went on address you point that out in your book and your name names. I mean, former mayor Willie Brown also former mayor Jorge Mosconi, and a number of others who were strong supporters for the most part of Harvey milk was the Harvey milk was a strong supporter as well. And you also talk. About the culpability the State Department because there is a lot that was known certainly that wasn't acted on. You made let's make a little clear. The while you were there you were. The ryen girls going way way back. Stuff and following Leo. Ryan, LeRoy is your teacher actually know he wasn't my teacher. But I had who's your mentor as my mentor, certainly, but I had kind of observed him as a youngster at local enterprise journal newspaper in south San Francisco. He was young mayor. And then when my parents got this little card in the mail asking them to donate his campaign. I'm sixteen years old and somehow decided to just fill it out and say I have any money, but I would like to volunteer in this campaign. And so I was you know, then offer to be this Ryan girl where we wore these little Beatlemania outfits fully clothed, I might add, but that kind of can of Sweden my interest in impolitic, but. What what's also important to note going back to Jonestown is that the State Department had a duty to protect American citizens abroad. Congress Ryan got involved because many of his constituents had a dull children who become part of the people's temple. And they were concerned because their relationships have been cut off. They didn't think letters were getting to them. And so I had a Manila envelope filled with letters to give to temple members there and to interview them, and that's what we spent most of that night doing before congressman Ryan stood up and said, it looks like a lot of people are happy here. And then you had this eruption that was frenetic and beyond what would be a normal applause line. And then it was after that that Don. I'm going blank. Now. Don, Harris was able to walk around the pavilion and was given a slip of paper by two members of the people's temple saying they wanted to get out. And so he comes up to us at the end of the evening. Enhance us. This piece of paper. I'm telling you, my heart sunk, I thought oh my God. Everything I fear. It is true. There are people here that are being held against their will defectors who had left that we had interviewed who told us these things that told the State Department these things, but nothing was done talking again with Jackie speier. Undaunted? The title has a lot to do with really how this experience changed you and altered your perception and consciousness. There you were dying and really taking less rights are last contrition, and all that and certain that you were going to die, and when you came out of it, and it was a real battle and struggle surgeries, and so forth that was long when you finally came out of and came to and everything there was your grandmother with you by the win. Also, a book about strong women in there. That's where I say, it was inspirational. But when you came out of it, you realize this has got to be a life of service. This is for me to do. It was really I said if I survive I am going to give my life to Publix risen. So that is what I've I've done with with great appreciation for being alive. You know, you don't most people don't have that experience of looking death in the eye and then surviving, so I got very early on wakeup call that, you know, we're not guaranteed tomorrow. So maximize your opportunities to live your life fully and give back and so. I've certainly made that part of who I am. And how I've how I've lived my life. But, you know, real test of me and my ability to be undaunted if that's what we were talking about here is surviving. What happened fourteen years later? He went through a lot of help. And I mean couple of babies and miscarriage and so forth and also. There's real suffering in this book, but you turn a corner on it in so many ways, and you say, you know, you go from harder to healing and you have to move forward. And that's where find the book, particularly inspiring in so many ways, I think many readers will. When also talk to you about where congress is going to go now that it's Democratic Congress. And we'll hear some thoughts from our listeners as well. Let me in fact invite listeners to join us. It's an opportunity for you to talk to congresswoman spirit and any thoughts, you might have. Especially in recollection of Jonestown. We did do another program earlier before thanksgiving on Jonestown and had some of the survivors with us here in studio and so forth. We got a lot of calls from a lot of people who remember it remember vividly, and certainly were affected by it. But can talk directly to the congresswoman about really anything on your mind. We'll talk about what's going to happen with subpoenas in hearings and fights in the house of representatives that really work going on before when the house of representatives was dominated by the GOP. Let's hear. From you. Our toll free numbers available, and you can join us now, it's eight six six seven three.

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"benito cereno" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"Seven England I'm John. Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show Greg Brandon's book is the empire of. Necessity the a real story that Herman Melville based his famous novel Benito cereno upon and others have used that novel to glimpse what slavery was in the new world beginning in the eighteenth late eighteenth century into the nineteenth century half of all the slaves that arrived in the new world after seventeen seventy six and this is the heart of it is the slave trade became an enormous source of. Riches Iran is. Dead the the ship trials been sailing up and. Down it's now gone for water off of Santa Maria island and a Masa. Della no going on his own journey of adventure has has met. Failure he's a, sealer but their seals are either played out or the market is overwhelmed with seal. Skins he sales all the way to. Tasmania he rescues ship that's headed for. The the penal colony of Australia then called a b. at new Knew what New South Wales he's paid for that and so he's looking around for the possibility. That other ships. To be rescued are a source of income a. Masa Delano is a Yankee captain looking to save his fortunes back in New. England a Moscow comes across this ship he's on board providence he's. Been sailing with, his brother and he's going to meet his brother a rendezvous in future and he. Comes to Santa Maria island looking for. His brother ship but he sees trial what is his first opinion and how does he respond Greg Well he he sees. What he calls his memoir strange Sal opening up around the Cape of the island the point. Of the island and and he he it looks it looks suspicious, the ship is the, trial is now weeks into into its post rebellion post? Revolt Journey and the. Sales attack it's a whole his whole is most moss green greenish tinge from. The moss from the secret seagrass and and he doesn't know quite, what to make of it but but he he he he, lo- is a boat a welling boat and Sealion away boat. And he ended crew a paddle over to it row over, to the trial he's a takes food and he makes the. Offer to Benito cereno but now comes? The, moment that Melville turns into a drama, and that is a fascination because there's a great deception underway Maury. Who has Spanish, and, understands and and Serrano and Dell no sh sh, Ray a trade Spanish and English back together, but MAURICE stands right next to Sarah no because, he's in. Charge of the. Ship but Delo thinks cereno is he doesn't know anything about the drama he's being Deceived Maury, takes the role of the deceiver and that is a magical position. In Africa And did, more, was again I'm asking self-aware or? Have we teased this out because we're literary men. Greg where were they at the time this is this is the heart of the, matter and this is, what's, so captivated Melva, when he read it in in. A donors memoir more in Baba's, obviously? Sore Delano perseverance the ship and they, they had they. Had a number. Of options right they they wish earned you gotta remember they were starving. They were dehydrated as I mentioned to women to children by this point had had died one could imagine that. They would have done. Anything that they needed to do. To get food to get water they could have surrendered they could have a mmediately forte but instead they came up with. This remarkable deception where they, would decided that they would let whoever it. Was turns out it was a. Masa. Dylan oh board the ship and they, would protect they would pretend to be slaves They. Maury who could understand some Spanish Would stick by Benito cereno and and act as if he was so dangerous body servant and and what's fascinating about this Delano later on in his memoir describes, the scene as if he's. Still entranced he's still quite couldn't grass what had happened that these west. Africans had managed to to deceive. Him this went on for hours Delano, it's an experienced mariner circumnavigated the globe but three times this, was the middle, of his third voyage. Third world voyage he had extensive experience he he had seen other. Scenes of slavery and revolution and, colonization so he was a worldly man but but he couldn't quite understand what. Was going, on in front of me he thought maybe perhaps, benico Selena was a pirate or. Privateer and this was in a lab Gueret ruse, to try to lay. Siege to his ship the perseverance so he was a little nervous. But he became increasingly fascinated between, the relationship between Maury and and Benito cereno he looked around the ship he. Saw scores of west Africans only a handful of Spaniards he, s Benito's rain you're what happened When he came. Up with some story about running into about sailing from Montevideo then they ran into they ran into a storm and then. They hit the doldrums the. Fevers head and that was to, how to account for why that was very very few Spaniards on, board the ship and this went on for hours Benita. I Delano sent his. Men back to his ship and back to Santa Maria to fill the water casks and get food this took a long time so for a very long time Macedonia was alone on the trial watching this kind of uncanny. Seen, and this is what Melville magically turns into Benito. Cereno but he goes rain you as a story is takes place almost exclusively in the mind of a Mazda Delano where readers don't know that. The west Africans are in charge, of things until the end of the story just as a Masa Dylan oh. Didn't know that the west. Africans were running things we're basically running an eight hour pantomime. Of the master slave. Relation at three PM the. Trial is drifting out, from the protection of Santa Maria a Moscow a sees that things are awry. And he wants money to help Benito cereno always the Yankee trader, it doesn't happen so he decides to, leave as he's leaving getting into his. Whaleboat to go back to perseverance Benito cereno grips has hand and then dramatically in the novel it says tackler throws himself. Overboard and explains that this. Is all a ruse and that, these are rebels and he must recapture a ship and when we, come back the recapturing of trial is the beginning of. The ordeal for Babo. And Maury and the other west Africans who want their freedom and the running up against the change in governance of the new world which is making money from slavery but has its doubts and will eventually shed slavery in. The, South America part of the new world much before. The North America or the United States Greg Grandin is the author of the Empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception. In the new world and Herman Melville's fundamental story of Benito cereno I'm John. Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show.

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"Greg grandkids book is the empire of necessity the a real story that Herman Melville bays his famous novel Benito cereno upon and others have used that novel to glimpse what slavery was in the new world beginning in the eighteenth late eighteenth century into the nineteenth century half of all the slaves that arrived in the new world after. Seventeen seventy six and. This is the heart of it is the slave. Trade became an enormous source of riches a Rhonda is, dead the the ship trials been. Sailing up and down it's now going for water. Off of Santa, Maria island and a Masa Delano going on his own journey of adventure has. Has met failure he's a sealer but. Their seals are played out or the market is overwhelmed with seal skins he sales all the way to Tasmania he rescues ship that's headed for the the penal Colony of Australia then called a new a new New South Wales he's paid for that and so he's looking around for the possibility that other ships to be rescued are a source of. Income a Mazda Delano. Is a Yankee captain looking to save his fortunes. Back in New England a Moscow comes across this ship, he's on board providence he's been. Sailing with his brother and he's going to meet. His brother a, rendezvous in future and he comes to Santa Maria island looking for his brother. Ship but he sees trial what is. His first opinion and how does he respond Greg Well he he sees. What he calls and. There's been more a strange sail opening up around the Cape of the island the point of. The island and and he he it looks it looks suspicious the, ship is the trial, is now weeks into into its post rebellion post per? Revolt Journey and the sales a that's a whole his whole is most more green greenish tinge from the moss, from the secret seagrass and and he doesn't know, quite what, to make of. It but but he he he he low is a a boat a whaling boat and Sealion away boat and he and a crew paddle, over, to it, rollover. To the trial he's takes food and he makes the. Offer to Benito cereno but now comes? The, moment that Melville turns into a drama, and that, is, a fascination because there's a great deception underway Maury who. Has Spanish and. Understands and and Sarah no and Dell, no sh sh Ray a trade Spanish and English back together but MAURICE, stands right next to Sarah no because he's in charge of the ship, but, del no thanks Sereno is he doesn't know anything about the, drama he's being. Deceived Maury takes the role of the deceiver and that is a magical position in Africa and did more was again I'm asking self-aware or have, we teased this, out, because, we're literary men Greg where they, were at the time This is this is the heart of the matter and this is what's so captivated. Melvin when he read it in in a Mossa del memoir, more in Baba's obviously sore Delano perseverance the ship and they, they had they had a number of options right they they. Wished remember they were starving they were dehydrated as, I, mentioned two, women. And two children by this point had had died one. Could imagine that they would have done? Anything, that they needed to do to get, food to. Get, water they could have surrended they could have a mmediately. Forte but instead. They came up with this remarkable deception, where they would decided that they would let whoever it was and turns, out it was a mouse Adela no board the ship and they would, pretend, they would pretend to be slaves They Maury who could understand some Spanish Would stick by Benito cereno and act as if he was it. Was body servant and and what's fishing anything about this Delano later on in his memoir describes, the scene as if he's. Still entrenched he's still quite couldn't grass what had happened that these west. Africans had managed to to deceive. Him this went on for hours Delano it's an. Experienced mariner circumnavigated the globe three times this was, in the middle, of his third voyage. Third world voyage he had extensive experience he he had seen Other scenes of. Slavery and revolution, and, colonization so he was a worldly man but but he couldn't quite understand what was going on in front of me he. Thought maybe perhaps Benito's annual was a pirate or privateer and that this was an elaborate ruse, to try to Lee siege. To his ship the perseverance so he was a little nervous but he. Became increasingly fascinated between the relationship. Between Maury and and Benito cereno he looked around. The ship he saw scores of west Africans only, a handful of, Spaniards he asked Benito's. Rain your what happened When he came up with some story about running into about sailing from Montevideo then they ran into they ran into a storm and then they hit the. Doldrums the fevers head and that, was to how to account for why that was very very few Spaniards on. Board the ship and this. Went on for hours Benita no sent his men back to. His ship and, back, to Santa Maria The water casks. And get food there's a, long time so for a very long time Macedonia. Was alone on the trial watching this kind of uncanny seen and this is what. Melville magically turns into Benito cereno Benito's rain you as, a, story is takes place almost exclusively in the mind of a Mazda Delano readers don't know that the west Africans are. In charge of. Things until the end of the story just as a Masa Delano didn't know that the west, operatives were running things we're basically running an eight hour pantomime, of the, master slave relation at three PM the trial is drifting out from the protection of Santa Maria a. Moscow a sees that, things are awry and he wants money to help the NATO Sereno always the. Yankee trader it doesn't happen so he decides to leave as he's, leaving getting into his whaleboat to go. Back to perseverance Benito cereno grip says hand and then dramatically in the novel it say spectacular throws himself over Board and explains that this is all a roofs and that. These are rebels and he must recapture a ship and when we come back the recapturing of trial is. The beginning of the ordeal, for Babo and Maury and the other west Africans. Who want their freedom and the running up against the changing governance of the new. World which is making money from slavery but has its, doubts, and will eventually shed slavery in the South America part of the new world much before the North America or the. United States Greg. Grandin is the author of the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world, and Herman Melville's fundamental story of Benito cereno.

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07:54 min | 2 years ago

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"England I'm John. Batchelor this is the John Batchelor. Show Greg grandad's book is the empire of. Necessity the real story that Herman Melville based his famous novel Benito cereno upon and others have used that novel to glimpse what slavery was in the new world beginning in the eighteenth late eighteenth century into the nineteenth century half of all the slaves that arrived in the new world after seventeen seventy six and this is the heart of it is a slave trade became an enormous source of. Riches a Rhonda is. Dead the the ship trials been sailing up and. Down it's now going for water off of Santa Maria, island and a Masa Delano going. On his own journey of adventure has has met. Failure he's a, sealer but there's seals are played out or the market is overwhelmed with seal. Skins he sales all the way to. Tasmania he rescues ship that's headed for the the penal colony of Australia then called a b. and new A new New South Wales he's paid for that and so he's looking around for the possibility. That other ships to. Be rescued are a source of income Masa Delano. Is a Yankee captain looking to save his fortunes back, in New England Moscow comes across. The ship a he's on board providence he's been. Sailing with his, brother and he's going to meet his brother a rendezvous and future and he. Comes to Santa Maria island looking for. His brother's ship but he sees trial what is his first opinion and how does he respond Greg Well he he sees. What he calls and more strange Sal opening up around the Cape of the island the point. Of the island and and he he it looks it looks suspicious, the ship is the, trial is now weeks into into its post rebellion post? Revolt Journey and the sales. A that's a whole his whole is most more green greenish tinge from the. Moss from the secret seagrass and and he doesn't know quite what, to make of it but but he he he he lo-, is a boat a whaling boat and the Sealion away boat. And he and a crew paddle over to it, row, over to, the. Trial he's a takes food and he makes the offer. To Benito cereno but now comes the? Moment, that Melville turns into a drama and, that is, a, fascination because there's a great deception underway Maury who has Spanish and understands, and, and Sarah no and Dell no sh sh Ray, a trade Spanish and English back together but, MAURICE stands right next to Sarah no because he's, in charge. Of the ship. But della no thanks Sereno is he doesn't know anything about the drama he's being Deceived, Maury takes, the, role of the deceiver and that is a magical position. In Africa And did, more, was again I'm, asking self-aware or have we teased this out because. We're literary man Greg where they were this is this is the heart of, the matter and this, is what's so captivated Melva, when he, read it in in. Macedonia memoir more in Baba's obviously, sore? A Delano perseverance the ship and they, they had they. Had a number. Of options right they they, wished earned you gotta remember they were starving. They were dehydrated as I mentioned to women two children by this point had had died one could imagine that. They would have done. Anything that they needed to do. To get food to get water they could have surrendered they could have a mmediately forte but instead they came up with this remarkable deception where they would, decided that they would, let whoever it was and turns out it was a. Massive. Dylan oh board the ship and they, would pretend they would pretend to be slaves The the Maury who could understand some Spanish Would stick by Benito cereno and and act as if he was so dangerous body servant and and what's fascinating about this is Delano later on in his memoir, describes the scene as if he's still entrenched you still quite couldn't grasp what had happened that these. West Africans had managed to to. Deceive him this went on for hours Delano it's. An experienced mariner circumnavigated the globe three times this, was in the, middle of his third. Boy third world voyage he had extensive experience he he had seen. Other scenes of slavery and revolution, and colonization so he was a worldly man but but he couldn't quite understand. What was going on in front of me he thought maybe perhaps benico Selena was a pirate or privateer and that this was a lab Britt ruse that they were going to try to lease siege to his ship, the perseverance so he was a little nervous but he became increasingly fascinated between the relationship between Maury. And and Benito cereno he looked. Around the ship he saw scores of west Africans. Only a handful of Spaniards he asked today near, what happened saying, you're came up with. Some story about running into about sailing from Montevideo then they ran. Into they ran into a storm, and then they hit the doldrums and then they the fevers head and that. Was to how to account for why that were very very few Spaniards on board the ship And this went. On for hours Benita de LA Noche sent his men back to, his ship and back to Santa Maria To fill the water casks and get food there's took, a long time so for a very long time must've. Elena was alone on the trial watching this kind of uncanny seen and this is what Melville magically turns into Benito sitting but he does rain you as a story is takes place almost exclusively in the mind of a Mazda Delano where readers. Don't, know that the west Africans are in charge of. Things until the end of the story just as a Masa Dylan oh didn't. Know that the west Africans were running things we're basically, running, an eight hour pantomime of the master slave relations free PM the trial is drifting out from the protection of Santa. Maria a Moscow. A sees that things are awry and he wants money to help the nita's Sereno always the. Yankee trader it doesn't happen so he decides to leave as, he's leaving, getting into his whaleboat to go back to perseverance Benito cereno grip says hand and then dramatically in the novel it's spectacular throws himself over Board and explains that this is all roofs and that these are rebels and he must recapture a ship and when we come back the recapturing of trial is the beginning of the ordeal for. Babo, and Maury and the other west Africans who want. Their freedom and the running up against the changing governance of the new world. Which is making money from slavery but has its doubts, and, will eventually shed slavery in the South America part of the new world much before the North America or the United. States Greg Grandin. Is the author of the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world and, Herman Melville's fundamental story of Benito cereno I'm John Batchelor this, is the, John Batchelor show England My might Excludes.

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10:23 min | 2 years ago

"benito cereno" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"This is, the John Batchelor show Greg Brandon's book. Is the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world this is the original version. Of what happened a Moscow Delano in eighteen o four eighteen o five that was used as the. Predicate for Herman Melville riding Benito cereno as novel in the eighteen fifties this scale of this involves thinking, about and dealing with and being, haunted by. Slavery in the new. World it is the night of power December twenty seventh eighteen o. Four Benito cereno is. The owner and the driver while he doesn't own he's driving the trial, I seventy five foot long. Twenty about twenty feet five feet, wide flat decked schooner and the owner, the slave master is a Rhonda a man who has on uncertain finances but because of the remarriage of his mother is well seated in the Culture. Of the new world and yet he needs? Cash, the slave trade. Has been a great source of cash the end of the eighteenth century into the, nineteenth century the heroes this night are. The leaders of the slave revolt these are men who are Greg presents as educated as lettered as. Sophisticated and it's about three AM in the morning the twenty seventh night of power which reads according. To the Koran the night of power is better than a thousand months they're income down the angels piece, this until the rise of the, more we. Are in the dark. Of the night and the women on board they're twenty eight African. Women eleven babies are. Singing a slow low dirge Greg Babo and moral they have knives from, two of the members of. The crew well they were servants, to a Rhonda or caucus this plan, that they put together does it look as if it was extremely well Prepared or was it a spur of the moment Well we can suppose from the fact that had happened on this holy holiest night of the, the holiest holiest Holiday Inn Ramadan in in Islam the in, which was at the end of Ramadan and Islam it's too it's the day that that that the archangel Gabriel, presented the initial verses of the Koran to Mohammed and we can suppose that that it, was since it was time to that day That was some planning and some foresight again the documents don't necessarily reveal what the leaders of the revolt, with thinking but there's different ways of of of considering this that that that the The experience that that day that evening was so important in their cosmology and worldview particularly everything that they went through that they were Gribben. Up the Andes the beginning of Ramadan that they experience that a sent into inter freezing atmosphere, that it was so thin that it refracted color. That, that that sparks would come from flannel that must have been a fairly, intense melding of the physical and spiritual world for for these these Muslims We don't know what they. Fasted we don't know we don't know what exact conditions they were, under when they were went, up the, slave road up the Andes but it must have been fairly intense fell and Ramadan added to that intensity and then they were boarded, on the trial and and they were about a week out when, they revolted and they revolted, on as as you nicely, presented it on the on the eve of of the night of power so that I think lends itself to some foresight and some planning if only, a kind of you know climax of everything that they had experience and, all of the hajj hardships that they had experience over the last year and a half bobble and Maury are the important ones to watch here because they're they have evidence. Of letters and they have the language at least Maury has enough Spanish so that he can. Watch what's Going, to happen as they go forward they attack the the Nightwatch. They attack the ship's carpenter another. Sailors with these. Knives the initial assault they execute kill eighteen sailors throw them overboard seven begged for their lives and that was, granted there seventy two so called slaves seventy two people have been stolen from. Their homes thirty two men twenty of the manor between twelve and sixteen twelve be twenty twenty five to, fifty they are the leaders there are women their babies there are other men on board who are going to join. With them most importantly Joaquin who was the ship's Caulker Jose Francisco, were random servants may may, or may, not a participated but the important people to watch now are more with his Spanish and Babo with his genius for leadership they overcome, and then they charge down to Benito cereno quarters he holds them, off with pistols but then, he surrenders after they tell, him they're going to throw the whole crew overboard unless he does They take control of Aranda the slave master, and Benito cereno whose ideas to present returned to Africa Greg Well we again we can only we can only guess but the, documents to Spanish documents that reveal they do. Indicate at Babo and more leaded men that they that they that they were literate in their own, language And it, is true that on that in west Africa There was a good deal of literacy thanks to the spread of his lung which had, come down from LeBron, by eleven in the twelfth century thirteenth century fourteenth century There were Koranic schools there was. There, was evidence that Bob on Maury were were of that strata within west Africa so one could suppose that it was their idea to return to to. West Africa I they actually what's interesting is that they actually asked to be brought to a land of a land of, blacks that they heard exist in these waters, and I take that. As a reference to Haiti that he shouldn't written revolution that happened in the years prior to this this, ship revolt and in eighteen o four Haiti declared its independence it was the second Republic of the Americas the. The first nation that came out of, a slave rebellion and and there was no way that these enslaved peoples who had come across the Atlantic, on a French private here wouldn't have known, about the Haitian revolution they asked to be taken to a land of blacks that they exist in these waters He, says no such land exists and and then, it's at that point. That they asked to be taken to Senegal west Africa to west Africa not knowing that that means a vast voyage but it. Is possible Greg, has examples, of when the many revolts slave revolts rising up against their slave masters over the, period of, several hundred years one very spectacular successful one but was stay with trial right. Now because this is the basis of the drama, January? Sixteenth, the, Bobby and moral and the other leaders decided to kill a Rhonda wide what do we know about. Their decision making cra- Greg well. Again this is all guessing and filling in by, from from the. Logic, context, that, we, do know about they were days into the revolt they had demanded to be returned. To west Africa Benito sitting stalled he he he he I sell north and he sells South he was taking his. Fine the last thing he wanted to do was, round? The, Cape, with a with the cruise ship full of mutinous ex slaves in a skeleton crew of of of. Of Spaniards and so he he. Stalled this was a typical strategy of of of, slave ship captains. Who, were, who, had, the tables turned on them and One could guess that the execution of I had to do, with a growing desperation among the. Rebels they were starting to get. Hungry they were. Starting to get thirsty they were dehydrated there was eventually two women, and two children were die of dehydration but they But they ran into a storm ship almost capsized so one could imagine that that the execution Rondo which seems to have taken place, after a bit of deliberation testimony from some of the surviving, crew members talks about the congress. Or the council or the a. Meeting of of. The leaders of the revolt had when they decided that Rhonda had, to die And and so the execution took place quite after The actual revolt The execution, of a Rhonda, the stalling continues and now we're going to sail fifty three days up and down up and down, avoiding all traffic Benito cereno thinking to himself that he's going to come across another ship that. Will rescue them that's where we're headed to a place called Santa Maria island off of what. Is now chilly the book is the empire, of necessity slavery freedom and deception in. The new world Greg granted. Is the author. I'm John Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show Balance of.

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10:14 min | 2 years ago

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"What happened. A, Moscow della no in eighteen o four. Eighteen o five that was used as the predicate for Herman Melville riding Benito cereno as a novel in. The eighteen fifties the scale of this involves thinking about and dealing with and being haunted by slavery in, the new world it is the, night of. Power December twenty seventh. Eighteen o four Benito cereno is the owner and the driver while. He doesn't own he's. Driving the trial I seventy five foot long twenty about twenty feet five, feet wide flat decked schooner. And the owner the slave master, is a Rhonda a man who, has uncertain finances but because of the remarriage of Smother is well seated in the culture of the new world. And yet he. Needs cash this slave trade has been a great source of cash the end of, the eighteenth century into the nineteenth century. The heroes this night are the leaders of the slave revolt. These. Are men who Greg presents as educated. As lettered as sophisticated and it's about three AM in the morning the twenty seventh night of power which. Reads according to the Koran the night of power is better than a thousand months they're income down the, angels piece this until the rise, of the. Mourn we are in. The dark of the night and the women on board they're twenty. Eight African women eleven. Babies are singing a slow low dirge Greg Babo and moral they have, knives from two of the. Members of the crew well they, were servants to Aranda or Cocker's, this plan that they put together Gather does it look as. If, it was extremely well prepared or was it a spur of the moment Well we can suppose from the fact that, it happened on this holy holiest night of the the holiest holiest Holiday Inn Ramadan in in Islam The in which falls, at the end of Ramadan and Islam to the day that that that the archangel Gabriel presented the beater initial verses of the. Koran, to Muhammad and we can suppose that that it was since it was, time to that day that there was some planning and some foresight again the documents don't necessarily reveal what the leaders of the revolt with thinking but there's different ways of of of considering this that that that the That the, experience that that day that evening. Was so important. In their cosmology and worldview particularly everything that they went through that they were driven up the Andes at, the beginning of Ramadan that they experience that a sent into into freezing atmosphere that it was so thin that it retracted color that that that sparks would come off of the flannel that must have been a fairly intense, melding of the physical and spiritual world for for these these Muslims we don't know if they fasted we don't know we don't. Know, what exact conditions they were under when they were went the slave road, up the Andes but it must have been fairly intense fell in Ramadan Added to that intensity and then they, were boarded on the trial. And and they were about. A week out when they, revolted and they, revolted on as, as you, nicely presented it on the on the eve of of the night and power so that I think lends, itself to some foresight and some planning if only a kind of you know climax of everything that they had experience in all of the hajj hardships that they experienced over the last year and a half bobble and Maury are the important ones to watch here because they're they have evidence of letters and they have the language at least Maury has enough, Spanish so, that he can watch what's going. To happen as. They go forward they attack the the Nightwatch they attack the ship's carpenter another sailors with these knives the, initial assault they execute kill eighteen sailors throw them overboard Seven, begged, for their lives and that was granted they're seventy two so-called slaves seventy two people have been stolen from their homes thirty two men, twentieth the manner between twelve and sixteen twelve twenty twenty five to fifty they are the leaders there are women their. Babies there are other men on board who are going to join, with them most importantly Joaquin, who was, the chips Caulker Jose Francisco were Aranda servants may may or may not a participated the important people to watch now are more, with the Spanish and Babo with his genius for leadership they overcome, and then they charge down, to Benito cereno quarters he, holds them off with pistols but then he surrenders after they tell him they're going to throw the whole, crew overboard unless he does. They take control of Aranda. The slave master and Benito, cereno whose ideas, did to present, return to, Africa Greg Greg Well, we again we can, only we could only guess, but the documents for Spanish documents reveal they do, indicate at boggle. And more leaded men that they that they, that they were literate in. Their own language and. It is true that that. In west Africa there was a good deal of literacy thanks to the. Spread of, Islam, which had come down? From the Levant by by eleven in the twelfth century thirteenth century fourteenth. Century there were Koranic schools there was there was evidence that Bob on Maury were were of that, strata within, west Africa so one could suppose that it was. Their idea to return to to, west firstly actually what's interesting is that they, actually asked to be brought to a land of a land. Of blacks that they heard exist in these waters and I take that as a reference to Haiti that, he, should Revolution that happened in the. Years prior to this, this ship revolt and. In eighteen o four Haiti declared its independence it was the second Republic of the Americas the. The first nation that came out of a slave rebellion and and there was. No, way, that these insulated peoples who had come across the Atlantic on a French privateer wouldn't have known about the Haitian revolution they asked to be. Taken to a land of blacks that they exist in these waters Benito's says no such land exists and and then it's at that point that. They asked to be taken to Senegal west Africa, to? West, Africa, not knowing that that means vast voyage but it is possible Greg has examples of when the many. Revolts slave revolts rising up against. Their slave masters over the period of several hundred, years one very spectacular successful. One, but, was, stay, with trial right now because this is the basis of the drama January sixteenth the Bobby, and moral and the other leaders decided to, kill a Rhonda wide. Wh what do we know about their decision, making cra- Greg well again this is all guessing and filling, in by from from the logic context that we do know about they were days into the revolt they had demanded to be returned to west Africa. Benito sitting in your stalled he he he he I sell north and he sailed south He was taking his time the last thing. He wanted to do was round the Cape with, a? With, the, Creighton we ship full of mutinous ex slaves and a skeleton crew of of Spaniards and so he. He stalled this was a typical. Strategy of of of slave ship captains who were, who had the tables turned. On, them, and, one, couldn't guess that the execution of the Had, to do with a growing desperation among the rebels they were starting to get. Hungry they were starting to. Get thirsty they were dehydrated there was eventually two women and two children were die of dehydration but they but. They ran into a storm ship almost capsized so One could imagine that. That the execution Rondo which seems to have taken place after a bit of deliberation testimony from some of the, surviving crew members talks about the. Congress or the council or the. Meeting of of. The leaders of the revolt had when they decided that Iran had, to die, and and and so the execution took place quite. After The actual revolt The execution, of a Rhonda, the stalling continues and now we're going to sail fifty three days up and down up and down, avoiding all traffic Benito cereno thinking to himself that he's going to come across another ship that. Will rescue them that's where we're headed to a place called Santa Maria island off of what. Is now chilly the book is the empire, of necessity slavery. Freedom and deception. The new world Greg Grandin. Is the author. I'm John Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show Balance.

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"In the new world this is, the original version of what happened, a Moscow Delano, in, eighteen o four zero five, that was used. As the predicate for Herman Melville riding Benito cereno. As a novel in the eighteen fifties this scale of this involves thinking, about and dealing with, and being haunted by slavery in the new world it is the night of power December twenty seventh eighteen o four Benito cereno. Is, the owner and the driver well he doesn't own he's driving the trial I seventy, five, foot long twenty about twenty feet five feet wide flat decked schooner and the owner the slave master is a Rhonda a man who, has uncertain finances but because of Of the remarriage of his mother is. Well, seated in the culture of the new world and yet. He needs cash. The slave trade has been a great source. Of cash the end of the eighteenth century, into the nineteenth century the heroes this. Night are the leaders of the slave revolt these are men who are Greg presents as educated. As lettered as sophisticated and it's about three AM in the morning the twenty seventh night of power which. Reads according to the Koran the night of power is better than a thousand months they're income down the, angels piece this until the rise, of the. Mourn we are in. The dark of the night and the women. On, board they're twenty. Eight African women eleven. Babies are singing a slow low dirge Greg Babo and moral they have, knives from two of the. Members of the crew well they, were servants to a Rondo or, Cocker's this plan That they put together does it look as if it was. Extremely, well prepared or was it a spur of. The moment Well we can suppose from the fact that it happen Holy holiest, night of the holiest holiest Holiday Inn Ramadan in Islam the in. Which falls at the end of Ramadan and Islamist too it's the day that that that the archangel Gabriel presented, the initial versus of the Krahn to Mohammed and We can suppose that that it was since it was time to that day that there was some, planning and some foresight again the documents don't necessarily reveal what the. Leaders of the revolt with thinking but there's different ways of of of considering this that that that the That the experience that that day that that evening was so important in their in their world view particularly everything that they went through that they were written up the Andes at, the beginning, of Ramadan that they experience out. Of sent into. Inter freezing atmosphere that was so thin that it refracted color that that that sparks would come off of the, final that must have been a fairly intense melding of the. Physical and spiritual world for for these these Muslims we don't know what they fasted we don't know we don't know what. Exact, conditions they were under when they were went up the slave road up, the Andes but it must have been fairly intense method fell and Ramadan Added to that intensity and, then they were boarded on. The trial and and they. Were about a week out, when they revolted, and they revolted, on as, as you nicely presented it on the on the eve of of the night of power so that I think lends, itself to some foresight and some planning if only a kind of you know climax of everything that they had experienced in all of the hajj hardships that they had experienced over the last year and a half bobble and Maury are the important ones to watch here because they're they have evidence of letters and they have the language at least Maury, has enough, Spanish so that he can watch. What's going to. Happen as they go forward they attack the the Nightwatch they attacked the ship's carpenter another sailors with these knives, the initial assault they execute kill eighteen sailors throw them overboard Seven begged for their lives and, that, was granted there seventy two so called slave seventy two people have been stolen from their homes thirty two men twenty of the manor, between twelve and sixteen twelve the men and be twenty twenty five to fifty they are the leaders there are women. Their babies there are other men on board who are going to, join with them most importantly, Joaquin who, was the ship's Caulker Jose Francisco were Arandas servants may may or may not a participated the important people to watch now are more, with the Spanish and baba with his genius for leadership they overcome, and then they charge down, to Benito cereno quarters he, holds them off with pistols but then he surrenders after they tell him they're going to throw the whole. Cruel for board unless he. Does they take control of. Randa the slave master and, Benito cereno whose, ideas to present, return to, Africa Greg Greg Well we again we can only we, can only guess but the documents to Spanish documents reveal they do. Indicate that boggle and Maury will leaded men that they that they that they were literate in their, own, language And, it is true that that in west Africa That was a good deal of literacy thanks to the spread of Islam which had come down, from the Levant by. Eleven in the twelfth century thirteenth century fourteenth century There were Quranic schools there was. There, was evidence I Bob on Maury were were of that strata within west Africa so one could suppose that it was their idea to return to to. West Africa I they actually what's interesting is that. They actually asked to be brought to. A land of an land of blacks that they heard exist in these waters and I take that as, a reference to Haiti He should written revolution that happened in the years prior to. This this leadership revolt, and in, eighteen o four Haiti declared its independence was the second Republic of the Americas the. The first nation that came out of a slave rebellion and and there was no. Way, that these enslaved peoples who had come across the Atlantic on a French privateer wouldn't have known about the revolution they asked to be taken to a. Land of blacks that they exist in these waters Benito cereno says no such land exists and. And then it's at that point that they asked to be taken to Senegal west Africa To west Africa not knowing that that means a vast voyage but it is possible. Greg has examples, of when, are many revolts of slave revolts rising up against their slave masters over the period, of several, hundred years one very spectacular successful one but was stay with trial right now. Because this is the basis of the drama January sixteenth, the? Bobby, and, moral and the other leaders decided to kill a Rhonda wide wh- what do we know about their decision. Making crack Greg well again this. Is all a guessing and filling in by from, from the logic context that. We do, know, about, they were days into the revolt they. Had demanded to be returned. To west Africa Benito sitting in your stall he he he he I sailed north and he sailed south he was taking his time the last thing he wanted to do was, round the Cape with a with the cruise ship full of mutinous ex slaves and an skeleton Crew. Of of of Spaniards and. So he he stole this was a typical strategy of of of slave ship captains who were who had the tables turned on them and One could guess that the execution of a I had to, do with a growing desperation among. The rebels they, were starting to get hungry they get thirsty they dehydrated was eventually two, women and, two children were die of dehydration but they but. They ran into a storm ship almost capsized so One could imagine that that the execution Rondo. Which seems to have taken place after a bit of deliberation testimony from some of the surviving crew members talks about, the congress while the council or. The meeting of, of the leaders of the revolt had when they decided that Iran had, to die, and and and so the execution took place quite. After The the actual revolt The, execution of a, Rhonda the stalling continues and now we're going to sail fifty three days up and down up and, down avoiding, all traffic Benito cereno thinking doom self that he's going to come across another ship. That will rescue them that's where we're headed to a place called Santa Maria island off of. What is now chilly the book is the, empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception. In the new world Greg. Granted is the. Author I'm John Batchelor this is the John Batchelor show.

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"Greg Grandin, professor Greg Grandin is here is new book is the empire of necessity, slavery freedom and deception in the new. World and I described this as Dima Thala following a brilliant Melville short story, short a novella Benito cereno about a slave uprising and a masquerade that deceives a massive Delano from, Duxbury, Massachusetts and. Professor we were discussing a, Mazda, Dylan, oh being not quite a success in all of his. Adventures and, he's he's. Tireless the man works all the. Time he never. Sleeps he gets it from his his, family the della knows their. Adventurous but at the same time we have to watch Melville 'cause Melville's many years, later although they share some of the same, players the young attorney who becomes an important player in the slavery battle in. Massachusetts when he's a young, attorney he represents della no in his law seeking a. When he wants to be a one What, he, wants to, seek compensation for he is actions the important actions with the trial but, Melville himself comes from a family I. Learned in an elaborate footnote that you provide a family that has a shadow, it's the shadow of a slave revolt against the family that Melville comes from and there were young, people, and a. Sixteen year old girl who, was, hanged, because of the slave revolt in Albany New York does. That does, that weigh. On Melville's opinion of what Delo. Debt well I. Think in slavery in general I this, is the question Melville didn't. Leave any diary entries or or correspondence of what he was thinking when he wrote, Benito cereno when this is a debate among, scholars about his opinion of slavery slitting Melville was was was democrat and he. Believed in emancipation they believed, in in in freedom for individuals he was against chattel. Slavery as an institution but also He was witnessing was living through what the institution of slavery was doing to the United States and he was tortured by. You felt I think he was at. An impasse the impasse though is in that living in denial the wealth I read. You correctly the wealth of New England has to be presented as based upon, slavery the number of slaves after seventeen seventy six was in excess of five million flowing to the age of liberty so there was nothing? About liberty that stopped slavery in fact it encouraged it? Did, Melville ingest ingest that growing up, and, did he put it into Benito cereno yes and what he put into Benito cereno think is is a is a sense of hopelessness he he had come to the conclusion that that America face. To choices in the eighteen sixties, had it could it could. It could fight against slavery and and the. Inequity that sinful inequity that slavery was and, risk destroying In the Republic the experiment in liberty. That the United States was either do revolution or through war through what through fragmentation or could accept the fact that that that liberty all could leave slavery in place and accept the fact, that liberty for some meant slavery Meant slavery for. Others and it was that? Pessimism I think that is very. Much reflected in in in in the events in Benito cereno the captions does that come back to the epigraph in the bell tower seeking to conquer larger liberty man but extends the empire of necessity is that a gloomy epigraph. It, is a yes and no I think Melville believe Melba was a critic of a kind of reification or abstraction of the notion of freedom believe that all men lived in in what. He called whale lines that that that we were all dependent on, others he he thought that there was, a kind of absolutist ideal of freedom that was taking shape and anti bellum America that that was in fact dependent on the slavery of others and yet and yet it wasn't so much the dependence of freedom on slavery but denial of the Attendance that I think that, I think Melville was criticizing epigraph that the idea that you'd think you can escape slavery you'd, think you can escape dependency. On others but but all you do is deepening the leap in these bonds of necessity. Empire of necessity and Melville builds Benito cereno with references towards slave revolt sands and the and the contradictions, one more note about a Mazda. Dylan oh before we we? We turn to the slaves the. People who were victims of the slave trade on trial a Mazda Dylan oh never tried slaving although it was extremely prosperous he wasn't he couldn't wail that's a too sophisticated overwhelming so he chose ceiling which you present courtroom scraping. The, bottom of being a of being an adventurer with your own ships why didn't you try slavery do we know whether he was opposed to slavery I think he was he was raised. In New England and I think that he came over generation that, that thought that slavery He was going to wither away as a matter of course but there was a prosperous man in Duxbury who built slavers right and and he was, known to to the family so one side, the prosper side of Duxbury enriches itself with slavery and the and the del no side does not did no regard himself as superior to the other, side well I think that he. Was a forms of arbitrary power,.

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"Is here is new, book is the empire of necessity, slavery freedom and deception in the new world and I described this as Dima theology a. Brilliant, Melville short, story short a. Novella Benito cereno about a, slave. Uprising, at a masquerade that deceives a massive Dylan oh from. Duxbury Massachusetts, and professor. We were discussing a Mazda Dylan. Oh being not. Quite a success in all of his, adventures and he's he's tireless. The man works all the time he never sleeps he gets it from his his, family the della knows their adventurous but at, the same time we have to watch Melville has Melville's many years later although. They share some of the, same players the young attorney who becomes an important player in the slavery battle in Massachusetts when he's a young attorney he represents no in his law seeking When he wants to one when. He wants to seek compensation for his actions. The important actions, with, the trial, but Melville himself comes from a family I learned in an elaborate footnote, that you provide a family that has. A a shadow it's the shadow of, a slave revolt against the family, that Melville comes from and there were young people and a sixteen year old girl who. Was, hanged because, of, the slave. Revolt in Albany New York, does. That, does that weigh on Melville's opinion of what Delo debt. Well I, think in. Slavery in general I visited the. Question Melville didn't. Leave any diary entries or or correspondence, of what he was thinking. When he wrote Benito cereno and this is a debate among Belleville scholars about his, opinion of slavery slitting Melville was was was, a democrat and he believed in a master patient they believed in in in. In freedom for individuals he, was against chattel slavery as an instant But also he was with the San I think he was living through what the institution of, slavery was doing to the United. States and he was tortured by he. Felt I think he was at an impasse the impasse though is in that living in. Denial the wealth I read you correctly the wealth of New England has to, be presented as based upon slavery the number of slaves after seventeen seventy six was in excess of five million flowing to the age of? Liberty so there was nothing about liberty that stops slavery? In, fact it encouraged it did Melville, ingest that ingest that growing up and did he put it into Benito cereno yes and what he put into Benito cereno think. Is is is a sense of hopelessness he he had come to the. Conclusion that America face to choices and, the eighteen sixties had it could it, could it could fight against slavery and the inequity. That the sinful inequity that slavery was and Risk destroying the Republic the experiment in liberty that the United States. Was, either do revolution or through war through what through fragmentation or it could accept the fact. That that. That liberty. I can leave slavery in place and accept the fact that liberty for sun meant slavery Meant. Slavery for others and it? Was that pessimism I, think that.

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"Greg Brandon's here is new book is the empire of, necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world and I described this as de mythology ising a, brilliant, Melville short. Story short novella Benito cereno, about, a, slave uprising at a masquerade that deceives a massive Delano. From Duxbury, Massachusetts and. Professor we were discussing a Mazda. Dylan oh being. Not quite a success in all of, his adventures and he's he's. Tireless the man works all the time he never sleeps he gets it from, his his family the della knows their adventurous, but at the same time we have to watch Melville Melville's many years later. Although they share some of, the same players the young attorney who becomes an important player in the slavery battle in Massachusetts when he's. A young attorney he represents Delvino. In his law seeking a. When he wants to. Be. One wedding wants to seek compensation For his actions. The important actions, with, the trial, but Melville. Himself comes from a family I learned in an elaborate, footnote that you provide a family that. Has a a shadow it's the shadow of a slave revolt against the, family that Melville comes from and there were young people and a sixteen year old girl who was, hanged, because of. The slave revolt in Albany, New, York, does that does that weigh on Melville's opinion of what. Dylan oh, well I. Think in slavery in general I. This is the. Question Melville didn't leave any diary entries, or or correspondence of what. He was thinking when you wrote Benito cereno and this is a debate among, Melville scholars about his opinion of slavery slitting, Melville was was was a democrat and he believed in emancipation they believed in. In in freedom for individuals, he was against chattel slavery as an institution but also he was witnessing I think he was living through Through what, the institution of slavery was doing. To the United States and he was. Tortured by you felt I think he was at an impasse the impasse though is in. That living in denial the wealth I read you correctly the wealth of New, England has to be presented as based upon slavery the number of slaves after seventeen seventy six was in excess of, five million flowing to? The age of liberty so there was nothing about? Liberty, that, stopped slavery in fact it encouraged, it, did Melville ingest ingest. That growing up and did he put it into Benito cereno yes and what he put into Benito cereno. I think is is is a sense of hopelessness he he had come. To the conclusion that that America face, to choices and the eighteen. Sixties had it could it could it could. Fight against slavery and the inequity sinful inequity, that slavery was and risk. Destroying the Republic the experiment and The liberty that the United States was either do revolution or through war through fragmentation or it could accept the fact that that that liberties I can leave slavery in place and accept the fact that liberty for, sun meant slavery Meant slavery, for others and it was. That pessimism.

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"I think that? Is very much reflected in in. In the events and Benito cereno the captions does that come back to the epigraph in the bell tower seeking. To conquer larger liberty man but extends the empire necessity is that a gloomy epigraph it is a yes and no I think. Melville, believe Melba was a critic of a kind of reification or abstraction of the notion of freedom he believed that all men lived in valid in what he called well lines that that that we were all dependent on others he he thought that there was a kind of absolutist, ideal of freedom that was taking shape and anti bellum America that that was in fact dependent on the slavery of others and yet and yet It wasn't so much the dependence of freedom on slavery. But denial of the dependence? Of I think that I think Melville was criticizing? Epigraph that the idea that you think you can escape slavery you'd think you. Can escape dependency on others but but all you do is deepening the leap in. These bonds of necessity this empire of necessity and Melville bills the nita's Serena with references towards slave revolt, sands and the and the. Contradictions one more note about? A Mazda Delano before we we. We turn to the slaves the people who were victims of the slave trade on trial a Mazda Dylan oh. Never tried slaving although it was extremely prosperous he wasn't he couldn't wail that's too sophisticated overwhelming so he chose ceiling which you. Present, his corner of scraping the bottom of being of being an adventure with your own ships why didn't you try slavery do we know whether he was opposed to slavery I think he was here Was raised, in New, England. And, I think we came over generation that that. Thought that. Slavery was going. To wither away as. A matter of course but there was a prosperous man in Duxbury who built slavers right and and he was known to to. The Delo family so one? Side the prosper side of Duxbury enriches itself with? Slavery and the and the Delvino side does not did. No regard himself, as superior to the other.

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"At the top and bottom of every hour on news talk eight fifty w. f. t. l. stay connected I'm John Batchelor this, is the John Batchelor show Herman Melville. The great novelist but also a poet as well as a short story writer published, a piece a short story called. The bell tower and in it he uses an epigraph quote seeking to, conquer a larger liberty man but. Extends the empire of necessity I'll read again because it's dense seeking to conquer a larger, liberty man but extends the empire of necessity A new book an intellectual adventure the empire of necessity slavery freedom and deception in the new world Greg Grandin is the author Greg is the author of a previous, book that won wide acclaim for its investigation and, intellectual power Ford land but right now he's a professor of, history at New York University we are plunging ourselves, into the early nineteenth. Century when America now empowered is the land. Of liberty right. After the French revolution and the rise of Bonaparte is the, only land of liberty because the cannons and the royalty are flying again in, Europe back back in their game but. An incident fires, up everything in this inquiry the people who are victims the people, who are the victimisers the states. That are in transition in South America the Atlantic slave trade and of, course the trade in the Pacific By the new Englanders the Puritans the people who put together the revolt from England professor grand evening, to you and I thank you very much for, your book and, I I begin with a, quote from Melville because your story is. About a Melville short story, and before we tell the facts of the story what was the short story and what is it understood to. Mean to us, here on the twenty century good evening to you. Good evening having me well well the short story novella it's called Benito cereno when it's this really wonderful story was published in installments in three installments in eighteen fifty five two years after the publication of Moby Dick and a few years before the coming of the civil war, and it and it tells the story of a, New England sea-captain named Masa no and and the Villanova is, is a sealer and he's a traitor and he, finds himself in the. South Pacific and, he boards what he thinks Slave, ship now Melville tells it all from the point of view of Delano kind of first person narrative or third person narrative but from the point of view of Delano and and he and, events conspire that he's left alone on board this ship all day long maybe told the ship is in distress, ran into a storm in it And then the doldrums Fevers head and that's why there were no Spaniard very few Spaniards on board except for the captain Benito cereno and and and scores of west Africans and Delano spends all day. On board the ship and and he can't see that the slaves are actually in charge Melville Let's readers know that they're in charge about two-thirds. And that they were just pretending to be slaves. Melville in a series of flashbacks tell the story about how they had risen up seize the ship and demanded, to be returned back to west Africa and. Then they ran into a Masa ownership and they had two choices they could have fought where they could have fled but instead they came up with this remarkable deception con, game in which they would let Delano board the ship and they, would pretend to still be slaves and most of the action. Takes place with Delano watching the relationship between the Spanish captain thinks is in charge dose rain and the man who introduced that Serena slave Babo and it goes back and forth from being, suspicious of the two two fantasizing what it would be like to have Such a faithful and loyal body servant it's really this remarkable story that I think that Melville was trying to capture something specific about the moment so, US green to civil war but also something larger it's really the, first portrayal is is the picture of a Masa Of an American innocent abroad it was completely oblivious to wish the social world around kind of like a. Precursor to the quiet American and, so it's just a. Really really wonderful fascinating and compelling, star and that's the literary facts Serena this is. And people who call themselves Melville aliens. Will recognize that what the professor has done is that he's taken that story published by Melville was always disappointed in his, publication greetings by the literary world the eighteen fifties. And the president the the, professor has de mythologised another we're going to go from the. Drama back to the melodrama back to the history. Because everything that Melville is describing happened but it happened in. A far more complicated fashion there wasn't a Moscow Delano, a man who is, a distant, relative to Franklin Delano Roosevelt the no family there was such a slave ship that, was the trial, that that Melville calls. The San Dominick there was such an incident. Where this deception was practiced but even more interestingly the slaves the men who are referred to as the. Slaves in in Melville story have, names they, have backgrounds they come. From places they have religions They have am visions and, the, night then the weeks of the slave. Uprising are part of this. Larger canvas that the professor takes us into wonderfully and we're going to go all there but we're going to. Start with a massive Delano, who was born in seventeen sixty. Three he's born in a place that. Becomes a prominent but not rich shipbuilding place called Duxbury professor a Adela no he's born is original name is d. e., l. a. n. e. they eventually dropped the e. He's born into a revolutionary, family how so what was their perception of the world in. The eighteenth century yeah well well Dylan was born. In seventeen sixty three of the year last year the seven. Year war he really wasn't kind of into that revolutionary, generation came so young, boy when, when when the American revolution broke out in Duxbury was fully for the revolution one, hundred percent and, there was some and. Some other communities Then may have been some political? Polarization. With, loyalists, and revolutionaries but not Duxbury Duxbury was a kind of yeoman town, shipbuilding town fishermen pound. It's right across the bay from Plymouth founded the second. By by many, of the many of the people that came over on the Mayflower and the ship, right ships right after the Mayflower and it early on was Cradle of of what storylines have identified as the radicalism of the American revolution the idea that the world was perfectible kind of move away from Calvinism gloom of predestination and predetermination the idea that, your destiny, was faded to this notion that that that individuals perfectible and society, was perfectible but that individuals could use. Their reason and virtue and their intellect and and and and the discipline in, order to tame. Their vices and their passions and their appetites not. Psychic self-governance. Could be the foundation of political self-governance and the mustard Illinois was born into that and he he was raised in that in that in that very heady optimism he wasn't born into a rich family Duxbury began to Experienced some economic stratification around the time of. The revolution and. Then a decade after his father and was was was. Was well off but. Not rich and. And and and Macedonia oh did a lot of young men in in Duxbury. Did in order to kind of make good on the promise of the, American revolution that kind of. Promise of Embiid on the standing that one self-improvement was actually a virtue wasn't a vice as he went, abroad he's taught it became an apprentice sailor officer and then a, captain of his own ships I want to concentrate on a Mazdas imagination because what you present is a far more compelling figure than I find in Melville's world a man who has has grinding specific, ambitions all, the time you describe him but one point Zelic of the American, revolution at thirteen he sneaks away volunteers. He's at Sarah Toga he's at Yorktown he guards prisoners he absorbs. The the, the what you'd have to say is the romance of liberty and, yet he wants to be well to do he wants to be prosperous he, wants to pull his, way through the world. He, comes up against however in New England important barriers one of them is that New England has this it lives in denial about what slavery means for its prosperity how so professor well he he must've Dylan is you say he he he gets catapulted into world. History and. That's one of the other radical things of the American revolution it gave people. Of a Masa status a chance to kind of feel that they were possesses that they were owners at the world was not their. Property in a sense in the sense of ownership but that. They that they. That they inherited this world and they can go out. And about it but. He he fails Pretty much and yes he's little by league of Republicans Elliott because he he does show up at.

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"Herman Melville, the great novelist but also a. Poet as well as short story writer, published a piece a short story called. The bell tower and in it he uses an epigraph quote seeking to conquer a, larger liberty man but extends the. Empire of necessity I'll read again because it's dense seeking to conquer a, larger liberty man but extends the. Empire of necessity, a new book, an intellectual adventure the empire, of necessity slavery freedom and deception in. The new world Greg Grandin, is the author Greg is the author of a previous book that won wide acclaim for its investigation and its intellectual. Power Ford land, but right now he's a professor of history at. New York University we are plunging ourselves into the early nineteenth century when America Now empowered is the, land of liberty right after? The French revolution and the rise of Bonaparte is the only land of liberty because the cannons and the? Royalty are. Flying again in Europe backup back, in their game, but an incident fires up everything. In this inquiry the people who are, victims the people who are the victimisers. The states that are in transition in South, America the Atlantic slave trade and of, course the trade in the Pacific. By the new Englanders the Puritans the people who put together the revolt, from England professor a grand evening. To you and, I thank you, very much for your book, and I begin with a quote from. Melville because your story is, about a Melville short story and before we tell the facts of the story what was the short story and what. Is it understood, to mean to us here in the twenty first. Century good evening to you good evening thanks for having me Well the short story novella it's called Benito cereno when it's this really wonderful story was published in installments, in three installments in eighteen, fifty five few years after the publication of Moby. Dick and a few years before the coming of the civil, war and it and it tells the story of, a New England sea-captain. Named Masa Delano and and the Mazda Dylan oh is is a, sealer and, he's a traitor and he finds himself in the South Pacific can you boards what. He thinks is slave ship now Melville tells it. All from the point of view of Delano kind of first person narrative or a third person. Narrative but from the point of view of Delano, and and he and events? Conspire that he's left alone on board this ship all day long thinks she's told the ship is in? Distress ran. Into a storm and And then it hit the doldrums fevers head and that's why there were no Spaniard. Very few Spaniards onboard except that a captain Benito Sereno and and scores of west Africans and Delano spends all. Day on board the ship and and he can't see that the slaves. Are actually in charge Melville Let's readers know, that they're in charge you by two thirds and that they were just pretending to. Be slaves Melville in a series of flashbacks tell the story about how they had risen up seize the ship and, demanded to be returned back to west Africa. And then they ran into a Mossa del ownership and then they had two choices they could have fought or they could have fled but instead they came up with this remarkable deception this con- game in which they would let Delano board the ship and they would pretend to still be slaves and most of the action takes place with Delano watching. The relationship between the Spanish captain who he thinks is in charge Serena and the man who who's introduced as Serena slave Babo and and it goes back and forth from being, suspicious of the two two fantasizing what it would be like to have Such a faithful and loyal body servant it's really this remarkable story that I think that Melville was trying to capture something specific about, the moment as the US green to civil war But also something larger it's really the first portrayal. Is is the picture of, a Adela, Delo of of an. American innocent abroad it was completely, oblivious to the social world around them kind of like a precursor to the quiet American and so just a really really wonderful fascinating and compelling story and that's the literary facts Serena. This is and people who call themselves Melville Lyons will. Recognize that what the professor has done is that he's taken that story published by Melville who was always disappointed in his publication greetings by the literary, world eighteen fifties and the president the professor has. D. methology we're going to, go, from the drama back to the melodrama back to the history because everything that Melville is. Describing happened but it happened in a far more complicated fashion there wasn't a Moscow Dylan oh a man who is a distant relative to Franklin Eleanor Roosevelt the Delo. Family there? Was such a? Slave ship that was, the trial that that Melville calls the the San Dominick there was such an incident where this deception was. Practiced but even more interestingly the slaves the men who, are referred to as the slaves in in Melville. Story have names they have, backgrounds they, come from places they. Have religions they have ambitions and, the night then the weeks of the slave uprising are part of this larger canvas that the professor takes us into wonderfully and we're going to go all there but we're going to. Start with a massive Delano, who was born in seventeen. Sixty three he's born in a place that becomes a prominent but not rich shipbuilding place called Duxbury professor a Mazda Dylan oh he's born is original, name is d. e. l. a. n. e. they. Eventually dropped the e he's. Born, into a revolutionary family how so what was there Perception, of the world in the eighteenth. Century yeah well well Macedonia was born in seventeen sixty three of the year last year the seven year war he really wasn't kind of into that, revolutionary generation and came so young boy when when when the American revolution broke out in. Duxbury was fully for the revolution one hundred percent, and there was some and some other communities they may have. Been, some political polarization with with loyalists and revolutionaries but not Duxbury Duxbury was a kind of yeoman. Town shipbuilding town fishermen town right. Across the? Bay from Plymouth Founded the second by by many of the many of the people, that came over. On the Mayflower and the ship right ships right after the Mayflower and it early on was Kind of, cradle of of what storylines have identified as the radicalism of the American revolution the idea that the world was perfectible kind of move away from Calvinism gloom of predestination in predetermination, the idea that your destiny was fated to this notion that that that individuals were perfectible and society was perfectible that individuals could use their reason and their virtue and their intellect and and and and and, the discipline, in order to tame their vices and their passions and their appetites, not psychic self-governance could be the foundation. Of political self-governance and the mustard Illinois was born into that and he he was raised in that in that in that very heady optimism he wasn't born into a rich family Duxbury began to Experienced some economic stratification around the time, of the revolution and then a decade. After his father and. Was was was was well off but not rich and and and and Moscow did a lot of young. Men in in Duxbury did in order to kind of make good on, the promise of the American, revolution that kind of promise of ambition understanding that one self improvement was actually virtue wasn't advice as he went abroad he's taught it became an apprentice sailor in officer and then, a captain of his own ships I want to concentrate on Amazon imagination because what you present is a far more compelling figure that I find in Melville's world a man who has has grinding specific ambitions, all the, time you describe in one point is says Zelic of the American, revolution at thirteen he sneaks away volunteers. He's at Sarah Toga he's at Yorktown he guards prisoners he absorbs the the the, what you'd have to say is the romance of liberty, and yet he wants to be well to do he wants to be prosperous, he wants to pull, his way through the world he comes up against however in New England important barriers one of them is that New England has this it lives in denial about what slavery means for its, prosperity how so professor well he must be doing is you say he he, he gets. Catapulted into world history and that's one of the other radicalizing things of the American. Revolution gave people of a Masa Dylan oh status chance to kind of feel that they were possesses that they were owners that. The world was not their property in a sense in the sense of ownership but that they that they that they inherited this world and. They can go out. And about it But he he fails pretty much and yes he's little bike on the league of Republicans Zelic because he he does,.

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