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46-Take the blinders off with Benita Conde
"Welcomed sprinkled with. Open your host shane. And today we really have an amazing discussion with benita. Condie our guest. She gives some incredible insights to some things that she's overcome. And how we can look past those and create a better life. We we really enjoyed our conversation with benita and and one of the things that means shame really liked is that it was real and it was raw and so just sit back and enjoy this episode. She gives a lot of really interesting insight and just a different perspective on things and so We really enjoyed our conversation. And hopefully you do as well. We'll go to this dime welcome to sprinkle with hope your host. Shane and we have an amazing guests. Today benita condie is joining us. She is a life coach and a consultant as she talks a lot about self love and radical love. And just loving yourself first so many. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me nancy. My pleasure to introduce you. Just a little bit but burr listeners. Why don't you give a little background about who you are. What you do sheriff shirt. So my first professional and i love to go way back to set a little To give a little context with that of being a classical ballet dancer so i moved from minnesota to new york city at like seventeen turning eighteen to pursue professional ballet career and train with a ballet school there and so that just says a lot about who. I am in sort of one little bit of information and i did that for many years. There and then I i did quit because it was really. It's a very very challenging profession. And it was getting hard on both my body mind and spirit and acquitted in my twenties and shifted into Sort of like a transitioning experience in the fitness industry so it was a personal trainer and manager of health clubs and then through like a winding path of working with a couple of different small dot com startups at the time and some creative people. I found my way into the advertising industry and i worked in the advertising industry in project. Management resource management talent management recruiting the people management side of that business for seventeen years and really great fit for a really long time like working in agencies and then i also worked in recruiting firm for five years so i got an opportunity gave me the ability to work with hundreds of creative businesses and thousands of candidates in globally. I got a sense of the industry Because the company that i worked for was global placement firm so that was just. Wow okay. I really see the workings of the marketing communications and advertising industry globally. So it's like a whole 'nother wonderful experience. And then i really wanted to go back to working directly with people in an agency and from talent management perspective working closely with folks in their career like in their moments in this organization. That is an external recruiter. You help somebody find their next role and then you might not hear from them hopefully for while you know really happy in that role. So i was missing that direct connection and to the creativity. And that's the link to a regional creative self in ballet and choreography and dance and creating art with people. i found that in advertising. It's like art and commerce linked together and that was like a real aha moment for me. I can experience both business end creating with others. And so i went and i did that when we back to agency setting in this was like three and a half years ago more than that that went there but i stayed for a bit and it felt great in many ways in other ways. It was really starting to feel out of alignment and at that point. I had been sober at the point. That i got to thinking about maybe leaving. I was ten years sober so now i've been thirteen. I've been sober thirteen in and that was you know a huge part of my personal journey. My spiritual journey my finding hope i mean man. It was like a whole new. Like door of hope opened up in my life. Where i realized i didn't need to fill this hole that i had in my soul with like external things. I was creating that foundation in myself. And so you build on that you build on that new build on that. And i got to this place in my career my professional life whereas like i am still trying to fill parts of myself with this professional life with this persona with these external things whether it be a new experience. A title certain organization feedback or confirmation from external sources in people Thing him still playing out some of this addiction stuff like more gaullism in an environment that certainly vary lake prone to being opened a hard worker. You know in port of of that and reflects back that. That's a good thing like i don't think that this is a lining for me anymore and i was able finally after ten years and i would lake share often in twelve step meetings about my anxiety or frustrations or angst or whatever around work and i was like getting sick of myself. Why why do we keep talking about this. Why is this triggering for me. Maybe there's another way. And so there was a wonderful sort of confluence of events that created a little catalyst. Where i can see like. I think what i'm being asked to do in this industry is no longer a line for me just in terms of doing certain roles at a certain speed and i was like oh maybe i should quit So this is like yeah three and a half years ago. I resigned and at that point. I'm married and our son was seven at the time and living in new york city in brooklyn not the cheapest place in the world You know some other things that we had going on in our life and responsibilities. Make that kind of a scary thing to do for the mind and I had a heart with my husband. He saw that. I was really like conflicted about this. Like a clearly wanted to explore something else and give myself some free space and yet all of the things that were conditioned to believe about who we are especially as we might relate to the rule of parents which you guys. I'm sure understand. Now i wrote of a wreck around responsible adults career path and what we like invested in Like there's all this heaviness that we can like start to layer on that make making a decision to explore more freedom and more expansiveness feel really scary and like kind of like irresponsible in shouldn't do this and so we had the conversation and my husband was like i have a feeling like you'll feel a lot better if we just try this and not would be better for all of us. And he's amazing like you know the the constructs of systems in structures in life. He doesn't he sees right through the mall now not all. They're cracked up to be. Make our life choices based on what other people say or like right. So he did. I resigned. And i hired coaches. And i'd never worked with a life coach. Sure overarching support coach. I had done a lot of therapy in my life. I had done had a lot of different supports through my sobriety process. So he knew how to ask for help which was amazing. He's out something. Didn't know how to do prior to really thought you were supposed to like rely on yourself like this. Very like hyper focus on independence especially in this country but in lots of other cultures as well is so detrimental like we don't do this alone to the most successful moments i've had in my life have been co creations with other beings like whatever it's been it's not been like maybe mehan 'isolation coming to a realization and then taking some action but when i take the action it usually involves somebody else you know. We really don't do this alone. Is where like led to believe. Either that we have to figure it out and that's it is awful and so i reached out to people who i had seen evolve and seen grow and seen expand and they seem like they were living this pretty like magical moment in their lives and i wanna work with them and i saw that they had like launched this new platform and a podcast no in their interviews and then they had offered you know they were offering coaching so we spoke in like we can help you and i hired them. And that's a scary thing to do when you realize you're like to not have a salary anymore and you're like spending money on my right that slang. That students selfish you know all these limiting lack beliefs popping up. And as you know. I'm going to do just to be in opposition of those limiting beliefs. Like i'm gonna play like take the risk to my mind and see what comes from this inspiration because i did know at that point from all of my years of sobriety that my thinking like left on its own is super limited. Oftentimes negative and like kinda scared like not maybe the most inspired final limiting with the blinders on stay save. Don't do scary things you know. I wanted to be inspired. I wanted to be scared in that. Really like hopeful joyful like maybe. I don't know humble. It's really the most humble thing to do to try something new that you haven't done before or taken inspiration from another and then like take some actions and apply that it's so humbling. You're just like i don't know. But i'm gonna try and then i almost always feels like magic happens. Oh that was right. There i save is the clients all the time so it is like we've got these horse blinds on like when they're in the thing before the race and if you just take them off for yourself and not be in fear and you look around the thing that you're most excited about or maybe want to explore or try is usually right. They're usually not some like whoa. Never thought sometimes more often than not all ready percolating desire. That's quite close and it's just in our peripheral vision and if it is and you can absolutely manifest that process through it and then see that it wasn't what you thought it was and then move onto the next thing but at least you're no longer stuck with stories first benita thank you so much for being so open and willing to share some struggles real. Struggles that you've gone through and how you've come out of those things that sometimes it's hard for us to do as humans to share those struggles. And i commend you for that second. I'm curious do you. Do you get the itch to go back to ballet ever or not really well. That's awesome next question. An great segue into like. I'll wrap this up. Is that was one of the things. My coaches were like soon. You're gonna dance. Because i had mentioned it to them that it was something that had wished. I had done the last few years. And i was too afraid to do. I was afraid that i'd be hard on myself. I was afraid of what back at me in the reflection in the mirror. I was afraid. I'd forgotten everything. Turns out none of that was true back into the class like the first week started working with them and i was able to reach out to them and like say like okay. I'm going to class. Like i think emailed them or whatever. I'm like a let you know how it goes and having that support just to say yeah. I'm scared i'm going to do. It has helped so much in that kind of like action taking jumping over little hurdles again like we don't do this alone so they were very supportive and it was an unbelievably joyful liberating and i do think that experience like lit up a whole bunch of different parts of my brain that had not been activated for a while because in the advertising industry. I had come to believe that. I wasn't creative in my own right like i worked in a creative industry with creative people that i was a support person. I was better at facilitating others for implementing people's vision. But i didn't have one myself. I just really like was playing in my swim lane. I started to dance again and it wasn't conscious so really leads me to believe there are parts of my brain that were activated that had been dormant than after working with them. Resigning actually leaving. After my notice period having a month off out of meditation like a month into yoga and meditation and spending time with my kid and hanging out new york city like loving it for all of its glory rather than feeling like kind of like teen. That city uber. Inspiring things all these other things are happening in our play. And i'm toying with this idea. That love is missing from creative businesses using this phrase a lot and then using the phrase radical on conditional love is missing from these exchanges with people like. It's so fear based anything in business has been so built up especially in the us fear race like what. If we start playing with that. I start playing with that more openly and out of this meditation create radical love. Which is the name of my business was like. Oh that's a thing i can create. This unconditionally loved life stuff with other people. Because i am experiencing it. And i want it for them. And so that is how my current experience of life evolved and i now have had this business for over three years and i've worked hundreds and hundreds of clients creative businesses and workshops in talks and it's like constantly this co creative process. It's fulfiling and new almost every day. Some like email pop into my inbox. I like i like love my inbox now. All used to hate it like five hundred unread emails. Because it's a recruiter. Just people reaching out to you. And i'm very unlike a person with a lot of integrity used to kill me that i couldn't get back to everybody but you lick literally Humanly couldn't and all that went away august to work with people the way that the good in a line it's fulfilling every day. Do this two or three days. A week focused on create radical love and the other two or three days. I focus on school with my son. We do learning from home which we have for a couple of years here. They have online public school here in virginia and and my husband has his business. So we like design this whole life based on our preferences in our highest excitements. I've loved so much of what you said. i. I'd like to talk just briefly about some of the one of the things you were talking and kind of sparked something in my brain that said you know we're human beings we're not a human being right were beings we. We are meant to be together. That was something that that i wanted to bring up is that i totally agree. We are meant to be together. Meant to interact with each other Right now it's over zoom but anyways. Yeah we're getting creative right. We're using our creative brains. I i just. I just wanted to talk about that just a little bit and i like how you said that. But you know we're human beings not singular Were meant to be with each other One of the other things about your coaching. Is there any like common myths that you hear often like what like. What is the common myth about a coach that you'd like to break up that myth and really bring fell. Well here's the thing about coaching. I mean it's such a catchall word first of all. So i don't love it like i don't necessarily love the term life coach but when i played with other ways i could describe what i do it got like to woo kind of too nebulous so that and it would mean different things to different people so in the current vernacular of support people out in the world that someone might be looking for. Coach indicates like somebody. Who's there for me about maybe a specific area of my life right. Because they're our health coaches. Their financial coaches are executive coaches. There are wellness coaches are take word and then add coach to it. And there's infinite rations right and so for me. The word that did like relate to my approach was the life coach piece. Because what i came to find in this professional journey but also my own spiritual you know self realization and health journey was. It's all one thing. And when i would try to compartmentalize it and like put my work life and persona and prioritization over here and then put family here in the myself until care and i hear it always felt like such a poll in like such stretch in a conflict of prioritization and i never felt like i was doing any of it. I hate using percentages but lake never felt aligned. Any of it. It all felt a little bit out of alignment all the time. So i was like in those months where i wasn't working full-time and i had hours to play a neat with people and then hang out with my son and then do something for myself was like i'm doing this like all in one day and it feels really good. It doesn't squeezing things in or oh a should or i have to. It was just happening. And that's so the word life with coach just made the most sense for me with what's kind of out there in the world right now on understood but in terms of dispelling myths. You know. I think it's depends so much about it. Depends on the person with coaching a therapist relationship to like really needs to be about like an aligned trusting relationship where the approach that person takes is very much in alignment with your values and your excitement like what you want to explore and achieve and so it's super nuance so say like for anybody. Who's wondering what coaches do. Kind of like they do as much as there are. Infinite people who identify as coaches on the planet. And you really have to dig into like that person's approach in what they offer their specialty or their home Focus and i think that's really the only way to like authentically dig through but coaching is. It's like the support person for what you really need. And it's not there be animal it so much more activated. That's what's been really powerful for me. I turn more now after many years of therapy which was very helpful unnecessary. I am by no means suggesting that that isn't like an incredible other resource for foundational understanding himself and like patterns and family of origin. And all of that. Like all of that but i found with the powerful with coaching. Is that it you lake leap over hurdles rather than like at the hurdle and then talking a lot about the hurdle and like knowing the hurdles there and maybe comes from. Coaching is like okay. There's a hurdle there but why don't we try something else. See what happens and little just goes away because he taken a new and and then shifts the belief 'cause all that hurdle ever is a belief percent. If i agree with that you have really said a lot of very interesting things. Jason and to focus on the positive things. So let me ask the question. Are you went through a struggle. A your those type of things but what would you like to tell your old self if you could go back until yourself the lesson that you learned or you know a lesson what would what would you like to go back and tell yourself. I've thought about that. A lot lately actually been a couple of magical things that have happened in my life. Recently this year has been really full of them for me even though it's been also heavier and there's a lot of learning that's been accessible and available if we look at it that way Which i do but there's also been some really like feels like dropped out of the sky gifts and win those happen. I really hold onto like remembering the confirmation in those like wait. There's a whole bunch of stuff working in the background of my higher self in the universe and all of the other components. I can't possibly be consciously aware of lake in my little physical body human self that i truly believe this. Even though i know very very difficult things happen to many many many people. It always seems to be. If i can see it working out for my best interest if i can remember that so i would say back to my younger self like all. The stuff is like working for your best interest in the background. Just not in your time line so like chill and like if i couldn't make less than her anxiety. Oh my god. Experience in my and early thirties all debilitating anxiety tax because it was trying to control. Because they didn't have that faith. Because what i'm describing his faith and i don't mean that in a religious context if one wants to take it in that context that's great too but truly like just faith in the universe in self in one another like stuff is usually organizing in some magical way. We don't see as long as we allow it to and keep the window open to that. Hope if i keep pointing to the lights and i'm going to see it. Religious conscious creation law attraction. And like really if you're gonna point to the light today whatever that means for you. Hope positively giddy generally and. It's almost like we have those horse blinders on and the positive thing or the hope is right on the other side of that so if you just take those things move them just a little bit you could. You could see amazing thing. So i i would agree. I think all of us would probably go back to our old self and the patient. Take your blinders off you know. Shane has seen. Shane has an interesting saying and he always says perspective is an interesting thing and me and shane of talked about it. And know we have a podcast on it as well but you know perspective now that you see what what your life is like now right looking back like that is giving yourself that perspective that that yeah you can just chill and and relaxing that even the hard things are. Therefore you're good you know. They're they're and they're making you a better version of yourself every day and so i love that i love that thought so sure i'm learning more and more and i love just like i'm forty five forty six january. I love this time. Oh i'm i've gone through enough of the tough stuff. Not that there won't be more to come cool too. Because i now see that like all the tough stuff has been edges. Oh when i've been going through that. Some new part of who i am is just asking to emerge like whole cocoon. Crystallised metaphor lake that comfortable trouble pretty grows put the needle thing emerges and i've experienced it enough over and over now to trust it. The amazing thing. I'm seeing with younger. People is is see them experiencing it more quickly and learning this lesson. I work with a lot of millennial clients and creative. Businesses tend to have a ton of young people employed them. And i've just been very like beautifully influence and inspired by that generation. And they're coming to it more quickly. There's not this like the lake suffer. And learn all these life lessons to become more true to myself in my forties or fifties sixties or whatever and that has been so amazing to see but yet enjoying the and finding hope in those darker moments. I'm finding is like a really fun place to play and you can do it intentionally like really contracting around this thing wait. I think that might mean something. Good is coming of weight. I remember this happened before. I just said to my husband a couple of days ago because we just had a really exciting thing happened here where we purchased this home that we've been living in for a couple of years enrichment after renting it and we love it and everybody says that fits like a glove. Never thought we'd have the option to buy it literally. It showed up like the option just showed up in october and we were like weeded. Wow this one of those things in the background right so we've been together a long time. We've been together twenty some years. I said every single thing. I have worried about along the way like wherever have been developmentally in our relationship has worked itself out every single thing like worrying about whether we'd conceive or were in have a child or worried about like when we ever get engaged to get married or these desires of things. I wanted to experience in life as like we've traveling exploring the world. We want to do more of that when we can but other than that like like we've experienced everything i wanted to so far i used to worry about this stuff and it wouldn't happen now. I don't worry it shows up and that's the difference. Right is your perspective is changed and so now you're now you're looking at things from a different lens and so you're seeing the beauty of the creation that you're creating by just just relaxing and enjoying the journey instead of you know worried about all the stuff that's in between right and it was really conditioned and i think many of us are life and culture in certain systems and structures to believe that like worry or anxiety or focus and attention on something in that vein from hard work perspective because i think hard work kind of worry and anxiety are very interlinked in like like the chains of belief or something with stories and narratives of belief. That like that is what would motivate me. And that's what would create success and that's what would get things done and it like worked to a point until it didn't until it became so painful that one has the look like there's gotta be another way because i want to like yes accomplish in create and explore the world but not well it super painful like at all of these points in between wait a minute. That's not right like that. It just doesn't feel right. You can design a whole bunch of different words not true but that's not right so there's gotta be another way not really is just like oh and i i feel like i have been so much more fulfilled and creative as you could label successor accomplishments. That in the last three years working to working quote unquote two to three days a week. Enjoying my space enjoying my time. Like heather hardened moments for shirley none of us or affect but there's not that underlying worry anxiety great and if i do talk to a friend i meditated. I go out for a walk. I look at the sky and unlike who write right yes it. It flows through so much more quickly rather than it becoming like a being state like. I'm anxious about some things to know. I am anxious. I no longer believe that. I m my emotions. They are just like a passing phase in the day or a moment or minute. But i am not them in that has given me incredible freedom. That's great. I really love that. You're talking a lot about the mind honestly believed the mind for me is a fascinating thing. We could see the same thing we could hear the same thing and think completely different so for me. The mind is just very fascinating thing and you touched on a lot of how your mind has worked in has gotten through all these things. So that's awesome so for our listeners. That wanna connect with you. How can they can they connect with you. Sir thank the most direct way through my website which is simply create radical. Love dot com. And there's contact page on their and speak out. I love to talk about all of this stuff. I love talking to people who are curious or like. Aw not fork in the road journey like in the journey and then they hit that fork in the road in there like Like i don't know and can kinda tell that their mind is holding them. Backer creating a lot of fear so retail there and then i'm on instagram at benita underscore condie in on facebook. Benita condie so we have just a couple of questions but before we get to those. I have a question for you what. What's the happiest moment you've had in your life. What's been the most exciting your happiest moment in your life. What was that funny about that question like you know people will call out those of moments. Whether it's you know having a child or things like that. And i'm always like don't think i've felt super happy. I'm calling weird reaction to big things. I think even the house situation closed on wednesday and like joyful and felt excited in the moment and like for a couple of hours after i experienced a real contraction and a heaviness. Big things happen. Like i start processing quite quickly. I think so. It's very funny. I don't have that like free. I will tell you about a period of time. There's a short period of time. In that moment when i resigned from my job and started to do some of this work with coaches in like stepping into more of my spiritual self. I will just give a shout out to like one of the biggest influences for me. In this sense of like experiencing like a more blissful day to day life of like of knowing oneself. Is my teacher tina massaro. I started to follow a lot of his work and there were there have been continuous since then but it was my first period of time. We're like strong days in a row of flake. blissful sense of self. oh stances are not me like so. I think i had like that real self realization shift and knowing for me happened in the summer of twenty seventeen and i would say that really like i could call it some of the bigger like life milestone moments but that really has been it's continued on its matured and integrated but a big moment of self realization. I would say like the most like happier blissful experiences tatum so awesome. I can imagine that you just felt free after that like i'm quitting. I'm done with you guys. And i'm gonna go live life so jason and i have come up with what we call the double dose. There's two questions. I'm going to ask you the first question my question for you is. How would you define hope light. Alight that the whatever you can point to It might not be present for you in the moment which there's something about the image of light. I'm very visual as well. So like just imagining light. The warmth of lights the the you mentioned too. If you can just like take off that blinder little bit or for music crack. Open the window. So it's like hope is cracking open of the door or the window or taking the blinders off a little bit in lake. Let that light shine in and it can take on any form. It can be tiny. It doesn't have to be a lot of anything but like a little bit of light that's awesome. I love that. It's so interesting when we asked these questions. We get so many different responses and it's one of the things that we love because it's like these two questions that we ask are not super hard but just just we we love what the responses we get so the second question of the double down dose which we like to ask is what is your definition of love or how would you define love. Love that question of course right up my alley rate so quickly what. It's not which i think is really important is. It's not romantic love. It's not clear shade marketing defined love. It's not anybody else's definition or experience of love love. Is that feeling you get when you know you you like. Your unique expression is complete in of itself. So that is connection to like a source that allows you to feel that way that but it's full. Ns its completeness it is immovable and it has nothing to do with anybody else. I love like in relation to relationship. I think there's a lot of confusion about like love. An unconditional love can be expressed in relationship in between two beings. But i find very rarely. Can it be. If there isn't that fullness incompleteness in yourself first. Then you're always going to be looking for it to be completed by another that could be a whole nother episode but Love is that like unending. Full unconditional like energy. Thing you know is in you. Yes i really appreciate that you started with. It isn't because i think often we overlook those things in in a lot of ways that we be focused on what it is and maybe not so focused on what it should be. So i appreciate that. You did that Anita i have enjoyed our discussion. I really appreciate all of your insight and your willingness to share your story with us. Thank you so much for your time and best wishes for you and your family in the future all so much for the absolute pleasure. Thank you benita. And i just want to kind of echo. What shane said. And thank you for being vulnerable. I think that you know there's a. There's a lot of power that we give ourselves when we're vulnerable. And so i really appreciate you sharing that and and being open to that and just all of your words i've really been touched and and Have enjoyed our conversation. So thank you so much benita. This is sprinkled with hope. If you liked this episode please share it with you. Like our podcast. Please give us a review or raiding ooh.
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The results have been disastrous in two thousand fourteen Paolo much Rini. Was hailed as a gifted medical pioneer in an NBC special produced by Benita Alexander Paulo and Benita became romantically involved and they plan to marry but as the wedding day approached the plans on raveled, but need a realized that Paolo had lied to her about a lot of things for one thing. He was still married to his wife of thirty years. So why does an intelligent so why does on intelligent and skilled surgeon create a house of cards in his personal life and perform surgeries that he knows will result in suffering and death for his patients as one surgeon put it he would choose to die by firing squad before experiencing a death caused by one of these tracheal transplants. His experimental surgeries have been compared to the crimes of Nazi doctor Josef Mengele yet he remains free. Join us at the quiet in today for a fascinating and horrifying discussion. Bad medicine. In the downfall of Paolo marketing, and please excuse my pronunciation throughout this episode. I'm doing my best. I'm just gonna say Palo that makes it easier. Not even try to do mockery me. But you do it better than I do gotta roll it around a little, okay? Let's do a beer. So we can get started. This is a fascinating case. It certainly is. So for my Attala in beer gonna do on call to Jessica ale from beer Borgo in Boga, Rosa, Italy. This is a Belgian Cezanne and I forget who wrote in, but she was kind of chastising me for just reviewing Stoute's PA's. So I've done that to you. You do that. Not a lot. What I'm going to try to do over the next few weeks begin to balance out a little bit. So today, I'm doing this saves on to delight the other part of it is collaboration with the famous Belgian brewery, canton. So we've got this beautiful his Honey coloured beer with his huge, huge Whitehead, and tens of lace, it's just actually gorgeous. And it's got this earthy Woody aroma with some tropical fruit Melanie type stuff. Very good taste is up front. What you'd expect sort of funky sour taste, then there's some herbal and grassy notes afterwards, and the nice lingering tightness are medium. Bodied beer highly. Carbonated to clear knows very very very nice beer. All right. Let's hope it up. Okay. And will head on down to the quiet, absolutely. Okay here. We are the quiet, and and can I just think the bartender here? Because as soon as he sees this come in. He gets out a stool with puts a pillow on it for your leg, very accommodating, and we very much. Appreciate it. He's a plus with me. That's for. Sure. Okay. Well, let's start our discussion, dick. Okay. Yeah. This as you said, I think this is one of our more fascinated cases, maybe because we're medically inclined. I don't know. I think so I think we're tracked into this kind of story. This is just an amazing story. It is. So from what we know Dr Paulo Macchia Maccioni, he's a smart man who established himself in the medical community as one of the top surgeons in the world. He was born to attack in parents who were living in Switzerland on August twenty second nineteen fifty eight and grew up in Basel. He described his childhood as difficult because he was always the outsider graduated from the university of pizza in one thousand nine hundred eighty six with the Mets. A medical degree and that same year, he married in Italian woman Amanullah pitcher, they have two grown children a son and daughter, how graduated as I said from the medical school of the university of PISA with a medical degree. And then he went on to earn a master of surgery degree from the same school in nineteen ninety one from nineteen ninety nineteen ninety two. He was an assistant professor at the university of PISA he claimed in his CV that he completed a course in statistics and clinical research at the university of Alabama in Birmingham in nineteen eighty nine. He had degrees from the university of franche Comte a master's in organ tissue transplantation in nineteen ninety four and a doctorate in the same field in nineteen ninety seven his primary area of study was regenerative medicine specifically his field with tracheal transplants where he seated first biologic, which was cadaver trick is and synthetic which is plastic. Scaffold with the patient's own stem cells, and we're gonna talk a lot about stem cells. So stay with us over time Palo develop some skepticism about his homeland after I graduated in specialized rest surgery, he was quoted as saying the Irish Times I wanted to enter university continue my studies in that field. I was blocked. I was told not to apply for the job because the result. Even before the interviews had already been decided there were the usual people with pool in the queue in front of me, the Italian system, he told the British medical journal, the Lancet in two thousand twelve favors people who are linked to the politics or our sons of sons, but not the merits. I knew that in other countries. This is not the fact so I left knowing what we know. There may absolutely be more to the story than what Palo has said about why he left Italy. I think so hollow entered into the world of academia where he could both practice surgery and do research he joined the university of. Harris sued where he was a full professor than two thousand or two thousand depending on which CV of his read he became a full professor at Hanover medical school in Germany in two thousand five he moved to Spain. Whereas full professor at an institute in Barcelona Palo was involved in stem cell research, which is a popular topic with patience and with the media stem cells are cells in the human body that had the potential to become virtually any type of cell in the bone marrow. They can become red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets outside the bone marrow. They can become muscle cells kidney cells heart muscle, cells cetera. There potential has led to an incredible amount of research in the field at the same time for almost all applications stem cells have promised far more than they have delivered. One big exception is in the leukemia's in other cancers of the blood where stem cell transplant have been performed. Successfully for quite a few years now. Yeah, you know, the the idea here you've got to stem cell, which can differentiate virtually into any kind of cell you need so too exciting idea. Right. You could do most anything well, theoretically. But it hasn't seemed to work out that way. No, it has there is an ever-widening gap between what is expected from stem cells, and what they actually deliver ended unfortunate side effect is also the rise of pseudoscientific stem cell therapies, which I know you really despise stem cell clinics have sprung up all over in the past several years, and they promised to cure just about anything, you can think of and in place of any clinical data. They just use testimonials. There are plenty of desperate patients who believe because they've been told that stem cells are the cure for them, and they can't wait any longer for mainstream medicine. So they in their loved ones easily fall victim to false hope and scientists can. Also suffer from false hope. And to some extent, they believe Mike urea ni because he told them what they wanted to hear. You can certainly see this in the speed with which is breakthroughs were accepted. So his first patient who will talk about a little bit later whose name Claudia Castillo and only four months after he did his surgery on her his results, which were provisional, but very positive were published online by the Lancet. And then it was all over the news. And certainly the Lancet is a very very prestigious medical journal from Great Britain. Oh, absolutely. I remember using it in college as a reference so something in the Lancet is God's truth. It should be right. But we're seeing some real breakdown here. I feel like oh, yeah. Now, the popular press. I must say has its own share responsibility. Here. Human interest stories make it very sympathetic to publicize these on proven therapies as studies have shown the media often puts a very positive spin on stem cells. Suggesting that the treatments are affective and the risks are very low and the press really did this for polish windpipe replacements. They sure did his recognition is a world renowned surgeon really begin to rise in two thousand eight when he constructed a new airway for Claudia kiss DO in Barcelona. He took a windpipe from a deceased donor stripped away, the cells and seated the windpipe with stem cells taken from Claudia's own bone marrow. He then transplanted this into her left Branca's. The apparation was a success and cloudy ahead, no complications from the procedure. At least initially cloudy had already been operated on by Paolo shit complications from tuberculosis, and he had previously respected her trachea, which means that he cut out the damaged area and just suture the healthy end spec together. Now, he apparently could have done the same type of surgery on her left Branca's, but he acted for this transplant. I think most people pretty much. No with the Bronx and the trachea is. But can you just give us a quick description of the anatomy of that? Sure. Well, the trick is your windpipe. Right. So it goes down into your chest and it divides into and those are the main stem Bronco, there's a right and left. So they go to the lungs. So that's how the lungs are aerated. So this is the surgery, and I can kind of see I guess wanting to do his new method, even though it could have done the safer more easily perform surgery by keep done already. But yeah, he's he's got this brilliant idea any wants to test it. No, the basic ideas with the seating of the stem cells they differentiate into so that make up a Broncos or a windpipe and you've got a perfect replacement. Well, that sounds great. But there's no proof that that would ever happen or ever had happened. No, not at the time. Not now, I know not now as we do know. But as he went ahead with this is the time when he first did this, this is real cutting edge surgery. He has but a lot of doctors would say it was ridiculous. And there was no way it was going to work in the first place in retrospect, that's certainly true. Well, I think there was some doctors at the time. But no one was listening about that race. There's at least one. Yeah. Highly critical. Yes, and wasn't listened to. So I guess the big promise of this type of surgery would be that stem cells would obviate at least in the long term the need for immunosuppressive eight. Agents. Yeah now. So if you transplant a donor trachea, you're going to need to use immunosuppressive agents for a time because otherwise the body will reject that foreign tissue. Now is it just for a time. I was under the impression it was forever. At least, according to his theory, once his stem cells to French eat into the person's own cells, Drake yourselves, then you don't need him unit suppressive anymore because it's not a foreign protein. But there's no dated a backup that would happen. No. I mean, that's all theoretical. And certainly with the his plastic trachea more on that later. But if it's an inert substance like, plastic, which has no antigens noth- nothing that the body's immune system's gonna react against you wouldn't need immunosuppressive at all. But let's talk a little bit about what a trachea as made of. It's not just a straight tube. It has. Property student has mucosal lining, but you still going to be able to have this themselves differentiate into the south that would make a trachea, according to his theory, according to his theory, well, this appearance scientific breakthrough in Barcelona didn't go on noticed, of course. Officials in Italy vigorously pursued him in Rico Rossi Tuscany top health official made Palo and offer that he couldn't refuse. He would give them a state of the art laboratory surgical privileges at Florence's curvy gay hospital and a full professorship, However, Italian law required that in order to appoint a person to a full professorship without open competition that person would need to show an equivalent position head been held by him at a comparable university. So in the end, although Palos appointment was preordained. He never did become a full professor there. Right. And you kind of alluded to this previously. When. You're talking about his disatisfaction with the politics of Italy's Dr system. All right, right. And even though he claimed to have been a full professor at his previous employment. He wasn't. So he never did become a full professor in Italy in the two or so years he was there. So following this initial success or this initial appearance excess Palo perform nine more tracheal transplants over the next two years in each case used a donor trachea again, that's from a cadaver coated with the patient stem cells now of these nine patients, eight of them died either from their underlying disease or from complications of the surgery. The one surviving patient was a ten year old Irish boy who had been born with hypoplastic trachea, and that just means it wasn't fully developed. So he had just a very small underdeveloped trachea and he needed to have. Have a series of stance put in to keep his airway open. Let's explain what a stent is spent his just a tube basically to keep an airway or an area open. So if he's got this teeny tiny underdeveloped trachea as he grows it doesn't grow. So as air way, get smaller and smaller, and he becomes more and more difficult for him to breathe so with a stent they insert that widens the airway and he's able to breath, but that didn't solve the problem for him. No. And there were complications in in a trick you like that you can have some perforations both sorts of difficulty. So which he had so it was apparent that? He wasn't going to be able to survive that long. Now, this kid this Irish kidding. And wish I could have found a little more info. What I did find it as of late two thousand seventeen he was still living and you had the surgery done in like two. Two thousand ten somewhere around there two thousand eleven but the best I could find is as of late two thousand seventeen he wasn't live of though from what I did read his quality of life was suffering. For instance, he apparently had been hospitalized virtually entire time. Since the surgery before he finally did go home in two thousand seventeen so that's like five or six years, right? Basically being hospital bound, so this was no miracle cure stress through doesn't sound. No. So he's got these nine patients, plus Castillo the first one she's continued to live or still alive and this kid, but everyone else knew well as devil's advocate. I would just say that these people might have died without the intervention. No. I that's an important point. Thank you. These are pretty sick patients. They had cancers they had other diseases that would probably show it in their lives. Anyway. So where we? Get into dangerous territory. I feel is when we get to the plastic tricky as and when we get to people who could have lived decent lives without the intervention. Yeah. He went from doing it in sort of a compassionate need narrow and we'll get into that to to doing it more as an elective procedure in patients. Yeah. Which really I think is terrible. Well, let's get in all sorts of issues. Yes. Exactly. Well in two thousand eleven his career was continuing to soar head. He was working at the Caroline skit institute in Sweden the professors. There are the ones that select the noble prize winners in physiology or medicine and Palo had refined his technique. So now he was using these made to order plastic scaffolds for the stem cells and the first person to receive one of these was into Maram Bayan doctoral student in geology at the university of Iceland who suffered from cancer. His apparent recovery from the surgery really made Paolo a superstar. And this is where some of the dissension or dissenters started to really come forward. 'cause it's it's one thing to look at cadaver transplants, at least you have the same tissue. But if you look at like pictures of him holding up these plastic windpipes, look like toys, and if you think about it, certainly with hindsight, anyway, there's absolutely no way this is going to work. But there are so swept up in stem cell research and studies that he went ahead. And did it I can see everyday people. But thinking that other surgeons and physicians were falling for this. This really incredible to me. Well, it is. But again, he was Paolo was portraying everything as a unqualified success. Yes. You want to believe it who's who's this guy who's skilled his a great doctor in his Santa. I've invented this procedure that's gonna work beautifully, and so many people. Well, yeah. And he's one of these con men who can convince you have just about anything. He certainly can. So he came to the attention of Meredith Vieira of NBC TV in the fall of two thousand twelve after she read a lot of Tory article on him in the New York Times, she and her producer Benita Alexander began interviewing Paolo in early two thousand thirteen and this culminated in a two hour documentary aptly titled a leap of faith in hindsight. The documentary was a real puff piece. It was just filled with praise for Palo's genius. And his expertise made him look like a rockstar. Sure. Did I mean Meredith Vieira says in this piece just imagine a world where any injured or diseased organ or body part you have simply replaced by a new artificial one literally manmade in the lab, just for you. That's so far from what the true story is. But boy, doesn't it sound great. But there were scientists that were going along with this in the documentary there were so it was nominated for an. Emme I believe or at least put forth for nomination. And then that was retracted and B C put it out there for an EMMY, I don't think it was ever actually nominated okay, and Yvette did get retracted, and it's been removed from the internet much fully you can't find nothing. Well, we did find a YouTube version with very distorted audio and I found a little seven minute piece in an article, but it's really hard to get a hold of this. Because I think it's an embarrassment to NBC. Many different levels. It is. Yeah. Yeah. So prominent in this documentary, the NBC news did was a story of Hannah Warren. She was a little two year old girl who had been born without a trachea. Now, you think okay, she can't breathe, but she had basically trick you was just kind of a blind pouch. But there was a track between it and the Asaf Agha's will fistula there and by keeping that open. She was able to get some air into her lungs by circuitous route. So she wasn't able to eat only know because she had tube down there to keep her breathing, and she was tube fed, and she wasn't expected to survive. Oh, shoo shoo parents have been told she wasn't going to survive. Oh, her parents were heartbreaking to watch. There was a time when she was just very young infant that. She was in horrible amount of distress in the hospital called and said, we don't think she's going to survive, and you got to be ready for her to die in her. Parents were ready for this to happen. She somehow pulled through and then they heard about Dr Macarena, and he seemed like a savior to them who did besides Hannah on this special in this documentary. There were some other people featured. When was the retreating guy bien another one moves Yulia to leak, she had a tracheostomy, which is a result of a car accident for those of you who don't know tracheostomy is simply a hole in your neck who were the tube inserted to keep you windpipe open. So it bypasses most of the trachea. Yeah. Which I imagine it's uncomfortable. And it's there a lot of issues with it. But I think a big part of it for this young woman was the aesthetics or. Yeah. She didn't feel attractive anymore, which you can't blame her. Plus, she didn't have her voice. No, she had to plug the trick tube to be able to speak. But it wasn't life threatening. No shoes pretty much. Okay. Yeah. Except the had this trachea that she hit the tracheostomy that she hated one other patient kind of featured in his his name was Christopher Lyles had some form of throat cancer. He was an American right? And he died weekly after his surgery now, she also interviewed a physician just one there were certainly more than one. But this one physician doctor, Dr Joseph Conti who was highly critical of mock uranium and his work. But in the documentary, this is portrayed as a minority voice. Yeah. Almost just kind. Yeah. We got to present both sides to this. So here's this one guy. Yeah. But there were there were others. Oh, absolutely. And we'll get into that. There were some at the institute who actually suffered repercussions for trying to speak out against it. There were. So the documentary was aired in June of two thousand fourteen now during the filming of this a leap of faith documentary Benita Alexander and Paolo began to have an affair, and they found themselves together in Illinois for a period of weeks in the spring of two thousand thirteen they were brought there by the NBC special. And they started getting together often for quiet dinners became romantic trachea transplant on Hannah, Warren, the Korean Canadian girl was being performed at children's hospital of Illinois in Peoria and the procedure was risky Hellas technique was still a work in progress. Even for adults. Christopher Lyles as I mentioned the American who became. The second person to receive an artificial trachea died less than four months after his surgery. He's a brilliant. Scientists in a great technical surgeon said Dr Richard Perle who had operated with Paolo in Illinois, like others, Pearl describe tallow as a renaissance man fluent in half a dozen languages a friend of Benitez would compare mccranie to the most interesting man in the world, the famous guy in the dosage spear commercials that guy. Well, they have the new guy now. Yes, religion guy is a New Hampshire resident really. I thought he was a European. No. Yeah. They haven't new one. Now, who's also kinda cool looking you have it not as cool. So you original. Well, no one ever is. But Benita was aware of the conflict of interest that she was in here being romantically involved with him in being producer of this show. But she would admit that she was swept up in really in love with him. And she chose to overlook it. This guy was you know, fairly handsome, very charming. I think she was really just taken with him. And she was in a vulnerable period of her life as well. She would point out. Yes, she was. And certainly Palo is force. Yes. Yeah. He's pretty dynamic. He's apparently brilliant. He's developing news medical groundbreaking seizure. Yeah. I'm gonna hook up with him. Most women would sure and why would you think that someone would be at that prestigious institute and not be legitimate? And I think that's what it all boils down to here is anyone working in that institute should be legitimate. Exactly. Now, she admitted that she knew he was married, but she thought he was separated and going through a divorce when they met did she. Yes. Okay. So he proposed to her on Christmas day two thousand thirteen and I think that's why they had this long engagement because he had to get his divorce and her ex husband, the father of her young daughter was dying of cancer. And she would say that Palo was just wonderful with her and her daughter, helping them get through this. So after the proposal Palo told Benita he wouldn't be around for the new year because he was on call for emergency VIP surgery when she asked for details. She said that he. Told her he was in a group of highly classified doctors from around the world who catered to the world's VIP's overtime Palo would reveal to Benita that he operated on Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as Emperor Akihito of Japan. He even claimed that he had been called on to consult on Pope, John Paul the second. I'm looking at this reading this. And to me here is where my bullshit meter starts going way up. Oh, sure. And you know, she's she's a smart person. She should should have high hate saying should. But I'm a very important, Dr I catered to the world VIP's, I've operated on the Clintons. Well, I see that in hindsight. But if you're involved in this why not he is a world renowned surgeon. Why wouldn't he be doing these things it kind of makes sense somebody has to be their doctor? Right. Well, yeah, it does. But that's that's just to me the. Beyond the realm of belief. Okay. It is. So you're rebel belief is a little bit narrower than hers. But you're not in love to write. Let's be real about that. I'm not in love with Poudel. Well, right. So in the months that followed the proposal Benita in Palo traveled extensively. They went to the Bahamas Turkey, Mexico, Greece and Italy, and they began this intense planning for their wedding. They set the date for July eleventh two thousand fifteen so their desire to marry in the Catholic church was complicated. By the fact, that they were both divorced or soon to be divorced. Yeah. How case right and Benita was Piscopo alien Palo said that he would try and fix things. So as far as Benita could recall Palo told her Tober two thousand fourteen that he had met with pope Francis. The new pope and the pope it consented to their marriage, and he even offered to officiate it not only that the pope offered to host the wedding at his summer residence. Kestil gandalf. Oh, and again, here's my meter going up again. Absolutely. As far as I know. I if if you said to me the pope is going to. Marius? I said come on. Not true at all. But she believed it. Yes. So this is going to be some wedding wasn't very glamorous dollars are going to be spent on this. So among the guests where president and MRs Obama the Clintons, Vladimir Putin and Francis nNcholas cozy. Wow. And I think they were inviting surreal in John since sports figures this is just for star five-star twelve star wedding. Exclusive Andrea Bocelli would sing during the service, and this very famous restaurant in Florence NO Teke pinch yori who's going to cater the affair. This is a Michelin three star restaurant. So we got it. Holy cow. And then besides her wedding. Dress Benita is going to need three other gowns just to get through this wedding day wedding, period. The invitations were sheathed in lambskin. Don't get to pissed off about that. Well, yeah, I certainly wouldn't purchase that. No. But on the topic of this situation, but need a pay thousands for the dresses, and she paid ten thousand dollars for the invitations. So this is where my radar would go off when I have to start paying for things. 'cause that hits me in the pocket. Well, yeah. Yeah. If he gave me the money and said here by invitations, I wouldn't buy lambskin, but I'd buy expensive ones if he gave me the money sure who they're going to and he was paying for the dresses Scher. But if I have to start paying for these things, I'm going to be much more skeptical. Now, he said he'd pay her back. But why because she was well off she had a good job. She was pretty. I don't think she was rich, by any standards, some standards. She was she lived in New York. And she most people who live in the city are rich compared to a lot of standards earn. She heard a kid in private school. She was well as wealthy enough to Ford some nice things, right? But not this. No, no. And her friends that were invited purchased airline tickets and plan their lives around attending this amazing event Palo even claimed that he had secured a castle where the guests would stay over these few days, we're going I quit. So all the way so everybody is really involved with this this dress designer he actually designed to dress that was like a wedding gown. But when they went out and danced on the floor. He would twirl her in the long part would come off in. It would be like a mini little dancing dress crazy and the gowns, which is awesome. And even if you knew all these people in head all this money. Why would you do this? What's the point? Well, that's that's how you and I. Do things. Yes. It's a waste of money. You could give that money to a good cause think of the dogs. You could adopt. So may thirteenth two thousand fifteen was Benita last day of work at NBC 'cause she's preparing a move to Europe just gonna live in Barcelona with her new husband. Why wouldn't she he showed her this beautiful home in Barcelona where she and her daughter would live who wouldn't go? And then she notified her daughter school that are not be returning in the fall the very next day. Her life was turned upside down Benita received an Email from a friend in the subject line, simply said, the pope, and in the message was a link that showed that pope Francis was going to be in South America in July, the very time when he was supposed to be marrying Benita in Paolo loops hoops to Benita confronted Paolo who told her it was all scheduling error, and that the wedding was still on now here, I would be getting suspicious. Both suspicious, and we find out when this happens that some of our friends had been suspicious for a while. But they saw her so happy giddy with excitement. What are you gonna do? Yeah. You don't wanna be the Debbie Downer. This thing. Right. Exactly. And if you say that to a girlfriend, they're gonna think you're just jealous 'cause they're gonna get defensive. Why wouldn't know? Right. But that's how women work. Okay. So if you have a friend that has all this wonderful stuff happening, you're skeptical that it's real he got to be careful about bringing that up because they're going to say, well, you're just jealous. So I can see why they kind of held out saying anything, but it kind of makes me feel better to realize that some of our friends were suspicious because a lot of this is suspicious, and I can kind of see why she would fall for it because she's wrapped up in this whole romance. Yeah. It's like a fairy tale at the same time though. A lot of these friends were suspicious sort of after the fact, well, yeah, they'd say, oh, I was suspicious. But where they really we don't know. Exactly. But finally at this point Benita was questioning everything that he had told her. So you give credit there. She's finally waking up not that naive. So over the course of the next month or so Benita with the help of private investigator. She hired found out that essentially everything that he told her was ally. It was quite shocking. Probably humiliating. I can't imagine how you would feel finding this stuff out this whole thing. Just collapsed, boom, while you're losing this person who you thought was your life partner. That your daughter's bonded to in cares child seem to door Paolo. Yeah. He was charming. Plus, you've told all your friends, you've quit your job. You've spent this money to million. So the the first thing was he wasn't divorced. Holy cow. Yeah. He was still married to his wife of almost thirty years. And there was no plan for a divorce. Not anyone could find. No the Vatican had never heard of Palo. He was never the pope's physician. The pope had never promised to officiate as wedding. He never offered his summer residence for the wedding. None of that. Andrea Bocelli managers said that Andrea does not sing at weddings. And it never been contacted by Paulo and the manager of the restaurant said, likewise, we've never heard of him and on and on it went on and on so one footnote to this whole betrayal was that Benita traveled to Spain to confront Palo with a couple of her friends, and she disguised herself in a blonde wig. So two of her friends traveled to the house that was supposed to have been her new home and Benita remained in the car while the friends went up to his. Store. So they spoke with him. And they said he just wanted to get them out of there as quickly as possible. They gave him a bottle of wine from Benita. And they watched him throw it in the trash after they left now behind him in the house. They had seen a young woman in two little kids in the house. So this gave way to speculation that he had a whole other family. In addition to the one he had with his thirty year wife because he's young kids and a younger woman younger woman. So later on on I think it was on Dr Oz clip that I found Benita said that he had three or four families. If you included her in her daughter. Yeah. Yeah. So live in a huge lie. So Benita was continuing to try and find him and talk to him after that and ask him why he had done what he did. But other than this brief phone conversation that was talked about in her special. He lied about everything. She was never able to really meet up with him. No, let's let's take a little break here before we get into the really interesting stuff. Okay. I am. A really exciting announcement to make on behalf of pain. Lindsey and oxygen in a one night special TV event oxygen brings to life pain. Lindsay's hit true crime podcast up in vanished. 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To learn more about how ADT can design and install a secure smart home, just for you, so Palos deceit with so out there that Vanity Fair didn't investigation and wrote an article about Benita Alexander's experience Vanity Fair sought out the opinion of Harvard. Professor Ronald shootin, an expert on psychopaths who gave a probable diagnosis Macarena is the extreme form of a con, man. He said he's clearly bright in his accomplishments, but he cannot contain himself. There's a void in his personality that he seems to want to fill by conning, more and more people. So this left the big question. To be deliberated. If mockery any was a pathological liar in matters of love. What about in his medical research was economy? His patients his colleagues in perhaps the entire scientific community. I think so in many ways, well, the answer to that question came only a few weeks later when Swedish television began broadcasting three part expose of mock, urea, knee and his work it was titled experimented the experiments now claimed some of his patients had died, but Machi Rini had not discussed potential risks with them before the surgery Sweden's prestigious Carolin institute said it was dismantling as research group in not renewing his contract. A top official at the institute that awards the Nobel prize in physiology or medicine step down over the controversy. It's a big deal. Right. Be huge deal. This series showed quite convincingly that Paulos artificial windpipes. We're not lifesaving miracles is people had all been led to believe as a matter of fact, they seem to do more harm than good which was something that market Rini had concealed for years. Or at least downplayed in scientific articles press releases interviews, well when you see the Russian young women. What was her name you Yulia when you see her getting ready for surgery, she looks happy like she just thinks this is some kind of normal surgery. That's done often, she's smiling and everything and people are questioning her about her nerves, and she's just seems oblivious to the fact of how risky this was there. Then you see her pictures post operative -ly, not a happy woman. No she suffered from. She's clearly suffering. Yeah. So faced with this public relations disaster the Caroline skit institute immediately promised to investigate the allegations. But then within just days they suddenly announced that Palo's contract would not be extended. So as far as quick as far as quick. But even then he kinda landed up. We'll talk about that. But still stuff started happening and is without a job. So he might have had some suspect things from earlier in his career. We learned that he had been arrested in Italy in two thousand twelve. And he was charged with extortion because he apparently asked patients at the hospital Caridi for money which would expedite their procedures. So that sounds like extortion, doesn't it it does? Yes. Now, these charges were dismissed in two thousand fifteen then the question also rose about whether Paolo had been a professor prior to his arrival Caridi. He was eventually allowed to submit a corrected seavy. Now this intern led to a closer examination of is original seavy. And this was Steph I gleaned from the Vanity Fair article the university of Alabama said the only record they had on Palo indicated he had done six months out of three year fellowship in hematology oncology. Now, that's different from his claim that he had been awarded a degree in statistics. And they tried to contact the school in France. They never got any response to them. Hannover medical school in Germany, where he said he was a full professor said that he was never a full associate professor, but merely an adjunct professor. Yeah. So there are a lot of questions here about why he was allowed to continue his experiments for so long and some answers have come from the official inquiries into the Caroline skate institute and the Caroline ski university hospital. They identified many problems with the way the organizations handled him Palos fame had also won him some wealthy backers. And these included Harriet Walberg who was the vice chancellor of the Caroline's institute in two thousand ten when Palo was recruited. She pushed through his appointment, despite the fact that he had some very negative references and some dubious claims on his resume. So this set a dangerous example, it showed department heads as well as colleagues that they should give him special treatment. And that's what seemed to happen. Very scary dangerous. He could pretty much do as pleased in the first couple of years. Caroline ska. He put plastic Airways into three patients since this was radically new he and his colleagues were expected to do surgery animals I but no animal testing was done. Now, I just have to add here's an animal lover in an animal rights advocate. I'm compelled to mention that. There are valid alternatives to animal testing such as in vitro testing with human tissue. Also, when they bathed the plastic trachea in bone marrow and stem cells, it was no evidence that the cells were growing unto the plastic. So they probably shouldn't have gone ahead from there. This should have been assigned this idea could not possibly work. Well, yeah, he found ways around this by claiming this was compassionate use compassionate need, which is a an idea that basically the patient is so sick. They're gonna die, and you might as well do the surgery which was false anyway. But that's that's how he got through. Because typically as you. Said they're going to do testing. You have to do stages of testing. So what should have happened ball as a person out there who might need surgery someday? I'd like to think that there's some kind of procedure that needs to be followed for fuck sake. Right. But he didn't. But typically, you would do testing probably in-vitro testing. I then if things were preceding the way you wanted or they should be you started doing animal testing. I know you say, no, just that's how it usually goes. So you try small animals like rats something moved to larger animals, and maybe to Boone's pigs bigger animals each time, you making sure that your procedure is relatively safe and producing results, and then you might start to sting on humans. He didn't do any of this stuff. And again, his his excuse or reason was that this was compassionate need. Which it wasn't. But then he just kinda jumped off from there and did people who weren't in compassionate need. No. Although he claimed they were. Yeah. The Swedish series began with Paulos rise following Claudia kissed ios surgery in two thousand eight and his move to the Caroline skit institute by this point some of the early transplant patients a total of ten we're beginning to have problems. And this is when Palo proposed the use of plastic as a scaffold for the stem cells. The first patient was end tomorrow him bien after his transplant Palo publish the results in the prestigious medical journal, the Lancet, Dr Pierre dealer stated bluntly that there was no scientific reason that a synthetic trachea would function. His remarks were heard at the beginning of our podcast, and Dr delared tried to warn officials at the Caroline skate institute of his concerns, but no action was ever taken. After the three other patients received artificial trachea. They've all died Makia Rini then made the strange in kind of radical decision to try to synthetic trachea as an elective procedure in relatively healthy patients. The procedure had never been tested adequately yet Russian. Authorities gave him permission to start a clinic in Russia and Palo's team invited people to submit videos of why they should be chosen and the winner was Yulia Tulich who had been left with a tracheostomy after not a mobile accident other than having live with a trait Yulia was quite healthy and she's living full life with her husband. They had a young son as well. She said in her video that she wanted to feel normal pretty again as you wanted to be able to sing to her son. But she seemed to have no idea of how risky this was. No, well, and it just kind of turns my stomach that it's like a game show. Going to get the trachea is just I agree. That's just I don't like it. So Yulia had the surgery and was reported by mock arena to be doing. Well, the reality was that she accomplishes almost immediately. So this first transplant failed and this was replaced by a second one which also failed. She lived in pain for a little over two years in her mother said she smelled all the time like riding flesh. So explain to me what happened why we have the necrosis what was happening to these people that had the plastic traits in their bodies. Well, the obviously the stem cells weren't populating the plastic and the plastic was suture to the the trachea, but it's not like a joint where just kind of hammer things in there. You've touched his plastic piece to a tube. That's less rigid than the plastic. So ideally, you got themselves taking over and gets to be more tricky. But if it doesn't happen all you got a hunk of plastic that's gonna work its way free. So that's what happened and one of the patients, I think it was the end. It was such a disaster with sites of infection and pleading that the piece of trachea could be lifted out of the neck without cutting it or anything just kind of dangling there. So these people were miserable horribly miserable. And one of the articles of his that. I read in the Lancet he was saying how there was epithelial sation of the plastic saying that tissue was growing on it. Right. Evidence of that outright. Why he also denied that? There was any fungus or bacteria? But in all cases, there was it seems like the only people who had any hopes of surviving head that removed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I read somewhere. Sorry. I know that's poor documentation one of the articles. We read said that he done about twenty of these counting, the cadaver tracheal transplants and the plastic transplants with the stem cells, and they're about twenty patients, and they're all dead except for one and that person has a trick. So no one's living with one of these plastic trikes no-one no-one. So the producer of the series Linquist found some unedited film footage of Paolo in one segment. He was speaking to the company that manufactured plastic Drake us, and he was apparently aware that the scaffold wasn't working. But he went ahead anyway with Yulia surgery using that kind of trachea and then in another interview shortly before her surgery he was also wear that all three plastic scaffolds at the head on hand were defective. But he went ahead anyway and perform the surgery using the least effective scaffold of the three. Wow. I mean, what is that Sadio uncommon? Fuck ary like he just does not give shit who doesn't he just wants to plow forward? These people's lives are just nothing to him. And at the same time. They're taking pictures of him at the bedside of his patients like he's this wonderful person. It makes me really sick. So while he was off traveling the world, his colleagues at the Caroline sky university hospital were caring for the patients who'd been operated on their by him. And they found a huge discrepancy between what they were seeing. And what was being reported by Paolo now as an example Paolo was describing bans air. Airway as open in lined with healthy new tissue while in reality. His airway was almost closed and he needed Stenning just to keep it open. Plus there was a massive infection. Here. He did not die a death. No. He would have been better to just die. If the cancer he may have lived longer also because he didn't last very long, and I imagine imagine how horrible it was for his family to see him like that. I can't so in two thousand thirteen four whistle blowers began efforts to make Caroline ska leaders aware of this situation, they met again and again with officials, but nothing seemed to work in fact, there was retaliation against these whistle blowers. They were threatened with dismissal in one of them was charged by Paolo of stealing his data. So finally in late two thousand fourteen Caroline Scott officials agreed to an external investigation and this was headed up by Dr banked girton of Uppsala University. And I don't know if I pronounced that correctly at all. I think so it's it's a Swedish university famous so his report corroborated nearly everything. The whistle blowers had claimed yet the institute overruled him. Vice chancellor Anders Hamson told reporters at a news conference that Palo head the full trust of the Caroline skit institute. The Lancet approved the decision in an editorial titled Palo mccranie is not guilty of scientific misconduct. But of course, they would change their minds they have. So he was fired Palo was fired from Caroline institute in March two thousand sixteen then he was indicted for involuntary manslaughter institutional leaders lesser positions and scholars began to question the legitimacy of the Nobel prize that was awarded by the Caroline's institute. Well, sure, I mean that would undermine everything they do. Yeah. I mean, if they're turning their backs on all the evidence against Paulo and claiming he was great. We'll Palo came back to Sweden to give his version of events about the failed trachea transplants that he had performed his well as some other complaints he had to core messages. He extended the lives of the dying patients by transplanting them with untested, plastic as any did all this certainly not behind someone's back, but with the full knowledge approval in supervision of his colleagues at the Caroline skit institute. So there's the core of the problem, dick. Yes, the institute and the hospital allowed this to happen here always gonna comment out there, and they need to be more careful. Vigilant. So this certainly would lead to the question of how this could happen. Right. Absolutely. So we talked a while ago about how stem cell research is a very hot overly hype topic that it is and certainly hospitals and institutions are in competition for the latest stem cell star so much so that they could be willing to overlook things that would not ordinarily be overlooked so instantly in Palos case, the prestige of the institute gave the procedure an air of authority. 'cause if the Carolin institute is involved in this it must be good. Yeah. Why wouldn't smaller hospitals, less prestigious hospitals? Do it. Then. Right. And he had the full backing of this great medical journal in Great Britain, the Lancet. So I can kind of see how he got away with it for a while. Because he he wasn't Joe blow. Oh from Florida doing the surgery and a little county hospital. I can see how he got away with it at other hospitals. But I can't see how Caroline skit didn't nip this in the but immediately because they were just as starstruck as Benita Alexander. I guess they wanted to have he must've been some charmer cutting edge surgeon. So they could claim look look who's working for us. Yeah. They were taken in also. But they shouldn't be they shouldn't know also by invoking compassionate use for terminal patients officials allowed Palo to avoid the ethical review that normally would have occurred in this type of study. Right. So that's kind of a loophole, which has a place. There are times when this is something that's legitimate. But once for sure when once he started operating on an elective basis rather than an emergency basis. He loses the compassionate use argument. Okay. But I'm to take. That further and say, even if they were dying there was nothing compassion about this. And he knew it. So it was just something. He was using. It was not legitimate in any case. So the the end result, though, is that his experiments were failure of institutional leadership by the Caroline's institute. Not only because they dismiss credible findings. But then they attempted to cover them up and punish the surgeons and other people who reported their concerns. So the Caroline's institute would like to put this controversy behind them. But nothing really changed as we found out amazing, many, the fficials who were under fire remain employed by the Carolyn ski institute, and despite calls for the resignations Harriet Walberg, Anders Hansson are still members of the Nobel assembly. Well, the saddest thing is that the families of these patients have lost their loved ones to horrible often drawn out painful deaths in also they haven't received any compensation or haven't seen any change really in. How things are done. No apology from him. That's for sure. No not from him. He operated on at least twenty patients in all. But one is died. Caroline ski university hospital. Never contacted begins. Widow to discuss his death following his dismissal from the Caroline skit institute. Palo worked at the Kazan Federal University in Russia, and he was dismissed from there in April two thousand seventeen in Koper two thousand seventeen Swedish prosecutors dropped the involuntary manslaughter charges against him. But then in December the Swedish public prosecution authorities announced that it would review that decision after finding that there was a potential for bias in the case. And we don't know the results of that. Were there hasn't been a conclusion to that yet? I don't think so because I couldn't find it. So I think that still pending still pending I believe so I'll tell you what I would charge them. Oh, he should be imprisoned for sure definitely charge in this cause. 'cause I think as we found out that he knew that this procedure wouldn't work anyway, I hadn't did it. Anyway, he was fired in Russia because he had no license to operate as a doctor in Russia hoops, if anyone operates as a doctor without a license. I I would think they go to prison. I mean, if you come down to it. He's a murderer and worse than a lot of murders who are already in prison or even been executed. So just because he's well off and charming and has a degree big fucking deal. He's just as bad as any murderer. We've ever talked about on the show worse than a lot of them. And that's why we're doing this case, right? Does it absolutely is a crime? It is. Yeah. So some other fallout from all this Sweden central ethics review board called for a retraction of six of Paolo's journal articles after they found evidence of scientific misconduct of these six articles for them have been retracted. And this includes two articles in the Lancet. However, maybe amazingly with all the notoriety surrounding him Palo is managed to have a paper published online in March of this year in the journal of biomedical materials research this time, recreating the Asaf Agha's. Now, the editor of the journal said he had been unaware of Macarena history. And the reviewers the article knew nothing either. How how is that possible Nordia? That's just ridiculous. The editor said that the peer review of this manuscript was rigorous as it might have been. But nevertheless. According to one of Paolo's, former colleagues, one of the whistle blowers. The paper contains the same problems as the studies recreating trachea. Yeah. It's not like he's revamped the whole thing he's still trying to push the same garbage. I mean, he's switched from one tube to another. Right. Exactly. But he's doing the same stuff. He is. Well, neither the institute nor the hospital has made any effort to remedy the situation for those who tried to blow the whistle on Paulo. There's never been an apology and to have had to leave the institute. So when I think about this to me, it really sends an unequivocal message to the employee's their loyalty Trump's the welfare of the patients, and if someone is to speak out, nothing good is going to happen to them. This is so dangerous. I mean, it reminds me a lot of what happens in politics, if you're in his institution where you're not allowed to say the truth anything can happen. So according to the global ethics initiative. Of this case is a clear example, the ways in which institutional checks and balances which would ordinary ensure ethical research can break down when recruiters become starstruck. And institutions wish to be associated with individuals achievements. Were clinicians are eager to jump at the prospect of an innovative affective new treatment, the medical community the media, and the general public are constantly looking for new advances in medical technology. Scientists welcome such developments as an opportunity to advance their knowledge clinician, see the prospect of helping patients patients in their family. See hope and journalists often see the thrill of an exciting new story that might seem like something out of the science fiction novel, certainly all of these factors played a role in making power mockeries elevation and his fall as dramatic and interesting as it was now is the idea underlying mockeries work seating scaffold with the patients. On stem cells in hopes of regenerating, a healthy functional organ still worth testing in patients. That's the question facing scientists in the United Kingdom right now where two trials of stem cell based larynx intriguing. Ah transplants are planned, but on hold in the wake of the scandal. Now, the larynx is the voice box. So it's in the same area. It's at the top of the airway now both studies led by former mockery collaborator and university. College of London playing college est Martin Birchall received approval from the medicine and healthcare products regulatory agency more than two years ago and have obtained close to five million euros from UK funding agencies and independent inquiry last year concluded that there was no reason to cancel the trials in D C L says that they can proceed now they haven't yet. But isn't that scary? It is scary. Because I think there's been enough research. Searchers and physicians who have demonstrated this cannot possibly work. If you think about it what you have to do with this piece of plastic that's coated with stem cells. I of figure out a way to keep the sense styles attached to the plastic right? Right. And why would they and there's no reason for them to and Secondly, you need to establish some blood flow to get the cells to grow, and how you gonna get blood vessels growing in a hunk of plastic. Well, that's what I mean. It's just common sense. Why would any doctor believes this was going to work? So I mean, I guess I don't know if they're looking at the fake tubes. Or if they're looking at cadaver tubes, right? It could see more likely to be using Atallah gas or cadaver trick user Asaf a guy. I can't say that there is a lot of success with that either though. No. But it's least from a scientific viewpoint. It would be more workable aside from all the suffering this 'cause think of. Money. Should we be dumping money into science that doesn't work? That's another thing to consider. Yeah. Who knows how people decide what studies are going to get funded in which aren't. So there's two clinical trousers you said that are on hold right now. When is the inspire trial, which is a collaboration between University College of London and the regenerative medicine company, the again, which was designed to study the safety and efficacy of a transplant for patients suffering from narrowing or softening of the trachea, the second study is the Regan vox trial, which would test the same procedure on patients with similar defects in the larynx. So these are basically the same study just looking at different parts of the human anatomy. Yes. Well in the documentary from Sweden in Palo's lab, he had some students medical students and other physicians working on creating. Plastic diaphragms, which is a large muscle. I don't know how that would ever work. Well, other organs same same thing. You're putting up the scaffold in the stem cells supposed to grow on it. Now, the diaphragms a big muscle. Yeah. Right. So and you need it to work if you want to read it certainly would. So I'm thinking, how can you even begin to believe that that would work when you're trick? You experiments were such a dismal failure. Right. Well, anyway, there were a lot of doctors working with him there. And all I can think is he was giving them. Incorrect information to lead them a stray, it could all be charm. There has to be a lot of deception there as well. Palos current whereabouts are actually unknown, but he is rumored to be living in Italy. Again, low-profile though, my good idea. I just hope that he ends up serving time at least losing his medical license. Come on. So to find out more on this case there are multiple. The articles available online. There's also the ID special. He lied about everything and this is mostly about Benita Alexander in her relationship with Paolo. But it does go into some of the medical deception as well. The three part documentary fatal experiments aired on BBC in two thousand sixteen and I was only able to find part one to watch on video now experimental Swedish documentary series is in Swedish, and I wasn't able to find an English version. So I haven't watched that where we kinda watched it too. We're trying to guess what they were saying, right? We really needed someone to come in and help us interpret. So the music for this podcast was written in produced by tristen Capelle, if you enjoy true crime brewery, and you'd like to offer some support while gaining access to members only episodes each month. Please go to our website Tigra dot com and join team tigr ever or you can also go to patriot and become a patron Tigra members also received gifts from us and our endless admiration and devotion. Recent members only episodes include the kidnapping of Shannon Matthews. 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I've been listening about I've here now. Really enjoy a variety of different topics. But when I would introduce the here, and it remember how I think it was if I happen. It actually stop me from listening to a lot of the protests that I had Creevy enjoy. That's not a bad thing. I've been listened to everything at the of your pocket. Now, I wait with bated breath Tuesday. Calm. I can listen to your job. I'm really excited about all of the things that you do into the research and hitting your tax rate. Hey, close attention to the victim every episode. He did work what the fighting. Well, that was pretty nice wasn't if we were on video you'd see me blushing right now, he's snuck that one in on me. I know it's wonderful to be complemented. Thank you Judah. But normally I don't play voicemails that are just compliments because it just seems a little self serving on my part not that I don't like them. I do like them. Well, I put those in there, actually because you had this idea that you were bouncing back and forth. And I wanted to give you an intro to it. So here's your chance. Okay. So here's the idea. I really liked to get voicemails and play them on the show, and the ones that I like to play mostly are ones that have case suggestions, or that have comments that we can talk about about cases, we've already done so in order to try and get more of those coming in. I've come up with a plan where any voice mail that we plan the show between now and the end of the year that person will get a free true crime Burri t shirt. So if you send in voicemail on his case suggestion or some kind of comment, and we play it on one of our episodes. Then we are going to have you send us your address. And your preferred shirt size. We're going to send you a t shirt. And this is just my way of blackmailing listeners into sending me more voicemails. I'm gonna be honest upfront about it. So all we had this week. We're complementary ones and this was a beautiful one from Judith. I don't wanna say it wasn't great. But I'm going to bribe people. What do you think? Well, I think that's a nice way. Putting it. Okay. So let's hear some voicemails will probably be overrun by them trying to decide which ones to play. Oh, yeah. That'd be lovely. We'll see. But I'll stockpile them and play them. I might have enough to last a while. So all right. So with that in mind, if it's submitted before the end of the year, but it isn't played until next year is still are going to get a t shirt still count subsequently or and I offered a bunch of t shirts. So I do have quite a few in stock. Okay. All right. Let's go to our emails. Okay. We've case suggestion from Alana. We do there's a couple in here. I'll do the first one you can talk about the second one. Okay. So on says, I'm recommending the Laurie Bemba Nick case, you've probably already had suggestions for this to familiar name. Isn't it? Who was the Bambi case? I'll yeah. So recently Vanity Fair confidential did a fairly good episode on her with as much info as it could fit into a forty four minute our, but it's still missing some important. Details voice goes to become a complex dead after she went through training. She was dismissed due to questionable marijuana charges based on hearsay. And she had some access to photographs of cops dancing naked bar with naked women children present. Wow. And packets of cocaine and she was claiming the Milwaukee police department was corrupt. So an internal investigation started until so she married. Fred Scholtz thirteen year. Police veteran January of nineteen eighty one. Then remarried him in November of eighty one. When it was determined that Fred heading waited the legally required six months after his divorce from searched wife Christine in may of nineteen Eighty-one. Pristine was murdered by gunshot in her bed. Her ten year old son says it was a male intruder and yet Lori was arrested June twenty eighth for the murder allegedly having access to Fred's off duty revolver and keyed Christine's house. The investigation into the naked cops, dancing and cavorting with strippers and using drugs with dropped lorries tried and convicted in March of nineteen. Eighty two based on questionable evidence. She escaped from prison in July nineteen ninety with the help of cellmates, brother. Dominic. Google e-e-eddie the Toronto Sun editor Peter Worthington wrote a long editorial challenging the case we in Canada. I guess that's where Alanis from have especial regard for Laurie taking up the US refrain run Bambi Ren, she got caught in Thunder Bay on -tario. She got refugee status by leading immigration attorney who helped her with the case in one her second trial. She would eventually take the no contest plea with time served. I thought googly Eddie was very unchivalrous about her afterwards and put it on her. I believe you could both do much more detailed episode on the case. So I just got some quick info and think it's a worthwhile case. So she was a police officer convicted of murdering her husband's ex wife, she escaped from the. The cheetah Correctional Institute was we captured in Canada which in an episode which inspired books movies in the slogan. Run Bambi run. She got a neutral pleaded no contest to second degree murder and was sentenced to time served. Ten years probation in November in December of nineteen Ninety-two for years afterwards, she sought to have the sentence overturned. Okay. So there's a connection here to Jeffrey Dahmer is that what it says the connection is. It's the Milwaukee police department. Okay. So it says may nineteen ninety one three women called into the Milwaukee police station. A boy was wandering naked disoriented and unable to speak coherently, two cups arrived taller white male rushed out. Explain they hit a lover's quarrel, and the cups. Let him take the boy back to his apartment with him. This white male was thirty one year old Jeffrey Dahmer, the boy was a fourteen year old drug Leo Shen, and their physiological stature is much smaller than Americans. So he wouldn't have even looked age fourteen never mind an older man able to give consent the women protested, and we're told to but out shut the hell up and not to interfere. Adding that the incident was a domestic the cops left. Donna profligate killed him Dahmer had previously molested. This boy's brother. Now, if the cops done their job, they could have saved this boy's life and found somebody parts Dahmer's apartment and caught him earlier than he was caught head. They even done a background check. They would have found his child molester record where they lazy incompetent corrupt. This is within the same time range as families claims that some Milwaukee police were corrupt. So at least incompetent Donna would go on to kill four more some food for thought. Thanks for your many insightful podcasts always enjoyable Alana. Interesting. It is I really know nothing about the Jeffrey Dahmer case, which is weird. 'cause I do all this true crime stuff where we can look into that. Okay. I'm not sure I wanna do serial killers. Well, yeah. Done a few of them we have and we're gonna do when sometime this month. Ed Kemper in December. Oh. Horrify go. So I guess the statement that we don't like to serial killers. You should take with a grain of salt. Right. I definitely want to look into the boy, Ben Burnett case, that's has a lot of interesting things. Absolutely. And maybe Dahmer. Okay. All right. So I have a comment from Brenda on an inconvenient woman in one of your videos from November two thousand seventeen titled in inconvenient women, Hugh discussed why might be that the focus in domestic violence is why did the victim stay or the focus is on the victim. Instead of being unwise abusers do what they do. I learned in college that in fact, there was a multimillion dollar grant funded research project early on when the US was actively gaining awareness on issues of domestic violence in child abuse, the focus of the research project was to learn why abusers harm others. However, the abusers in the study refused to cooperate in order to maintain the funding. The researchers. Quickly changed the focus of the study to be why do women stay since abuse victims slash survivors, were more cooperative in the study than it was just a thing of interest to me is interesting hadn't heard of the trying to look at. Why abuse did what they did make sense crusade? They deny it anyway. So so you say so talk to me about what you did. And what what are you talking about wasn't me? Well, this is something we've been called out for before is instead of saying a woman should be careful when she goes out at night alone. We should be thinking about well, why is the attacker attacking her? It's not her fault. We shouldn't question. Why? She does what she does. So to me, this is similar. Yeah. Well, of course, we don't think that men should be out raping women. But can we teach them it's hard to tell them? Don't rape. It's a lot easier to tell women. Hey, be careful. So I don't think that we're trying to blame the victim in any of these cases. And I hope it doesn't come across that way. Most of our podcast. Because we definitely don't feel that way. Not at all. No. I have a comment from Mike on the episode dark water. This is the Asian Canadian girl. He was from Canada. I think she did have Asian parents who was found in a water tank in a hotel. Yes. And there was some thought about her mental illness, whether she was victim of someone or if she had hurt herself because of her mental illness, and we were of the opinion that the mental illness or the drugs being used to treat her mental illness played a huge role in her death. So Mike writes that he had a girlfriend that was also bipolar and the doctor had her on much of the same medications, especially the Serra quell. So his experience with Syrah Quayle is he would come home from work and his girlfriend would be walking around the house naked talking to people that were there. She would talk in tongues. She turned everything in the house on. The washer and dryer would be running but empty the stove top and oven on with nothing cooking. What are faucets ally? She'd also take more midst thinking she hadn't taken any in my opinion, the circles with did this girl in I've seen firsthand what this shit can do. Okay. So and just briefly Sara quel is one of these atypical antipsychotic one of the newer ones, and there are many many side effects. And this is just some of the more common ones. Trouble sleeping restless and unable to sit. Still sweating rapid heart rate agitation and hallucinations. So what about taking excessive amounts that just make those worth sure this side effects taking the recommended doses? Right. No. Well, hallucinations explains a lot in this case. Yeah. I remember the scene in the one of the videos. We watched the elevate ERI there. So yeah, she might have been hallucinating that peop. Were there because it sure looked like she saw somebody? Sure did. But I agree with Mike the medications probably played a role. Well, yeah. When someone goes on that kind of medication it's really hard. If someone's not there to help them to supervise them, and she wasn't monitored. She was off on her own. She went on a trip. So Hillary has a comment on the mainline murder a recent with. Yeah. The last one I've been listing off and on for a couple of years now. And I enjoy your show a lot. I just listened to the mainline murder episode. I was caught by surprise regarding the content. I expected it to be about the Reiners Susan Reinert. Enter to children were killed by her lover, enter ex principal in nineteen seventy nine that was huge news Beck when I was a child in Pennsylvania, and is my first memory of something being called a mainline murder. Stephanie Newman was two years ahead of me in high school in wine, cut, Pennsylvania. And when the news of her murder became public. I was of course, we're tied. We were not friends per se, but she was in my social circle as a bright in popular upperclassmen who was friendly with some of the older siblings of my own friends at the time of her death. I was living in Philadelphia. I don't recall it being called a mainline murder, but that may have been because my perspective of having grown up on the other side of the river as we say Elkins park wine coat and Jenkins town are not so fancy as the main line in. I certainly would never have thought of Stephanie is a mainland girl. Of course, I married a man from Bryn marr. And now my kids attend to main line school in my office is in Ardmore, the heart of the mainline these days, I am more sensitive to mainline news, perhaps right now, if you say mainline murder to someone here, they will think you are referring to the playboy model who was killed in her apartment last month near suburban square of possible interest Stephanie's mother in law. Joyce pest away this past April. Well, thanks for writing in Hillary. That's interesting. I did hear that there were three or four different murders that were called the main line murder. This wasn't the first. So not feeling super creative about a title last week. That's what I went with. But you know, it's interesting is the the murder that she's talking about the Reiner's. I think that was the last name of the stripper that break Rabinowitz was so infatuated with and killed his wife for so I don't know. Maybe it's just a common name in the area could be. Interesting story about Susan Reiner. I think we should look into that those elect going on. Yeah. Her lover and ex principal. I just threw in the quickey Winstons thing without expanding on anything else. So I think I'll check into that some more. What about the playboy model? Did you look into that at all? I have because that could be another interesting one could be a lot of shit going down in the main line, be careful Hillary, but thanks for the litter he acid, thanks to everyone for your feedback today. I really appreciate it. I wine about voicemails. But I do like emails to we certainly do. Yes. So we're going to go now. And we will talk to you next time at the quite the quiet end of be there. All right Bye-bye.
Full Episode: Friday, February 12, 2021
"This is nightline tonight a whirlwind romance. It was a constant shower of flowers and gifts. We went to london went to mexico. Russia of bahamas twice. Greece swept off her feet by a star surgeon. That george clooney type of sexy. A wedding fit for royalty. John legend was going to be playing during the ceremony. The backgrounds the obamas but when the fairytale came crashing down. How far did his web of lies go. We don't do anything i love. The people will die. Thanks for joining us. From the moment there is met. It was electric a journalist and a renowned doctor who was set to perform miraculous surgeries and claimed. He kept company with the pope but when their fairytale wedding ballooned into absurd fantasy. She tracked him down to europe and couldn't believe what she found was the closest thing to prince charming benita alexander. A season television producer thought. She'd met the love of her life. A handsome doctor was the world's most famous surgeon that george clooney type of field sexy swept her off her feet. It was like living a fairytale but the man of her dreams was spinning a web of lies that she and countless others were caught up in. This is a man who was people's lives in his hands. A highly regarded doctor and surgeon. People could be dying benita. I met dr paulo macarena when she was assigned a story about his groundbreaking work thank trachea. Transplants breaks over report. That a doctor is found a way to grow a new windpipe are hailing a surgical. I could offer new home the technique to replace the patient's trachea with a plastic tube seated with the patient's own stem cells one of his patients a toddler from korea. This roy named hannah who is being brought to the us so that dr mark rini could on her. She was born with no trachea at all so she had been hospitalized from the day she was born she was going to be the youngest person ever to get one of these. Artificial trachea 's dr macarena held a post at the prestigious caroline ska institute in sweden which hands out the nobel prize in madison. Did i think he was going to be a part of my life. No absolutely not until she started falling for him. We met the afternoon before we were gonna sit down and interview him and it was. It was the weirdest thing he comes around a corner. He looks right at me and in that second something happened. I mean i got the sort of shelter. my body. Benita was a reporter doing a documentary on paulo. But she couldn't stop her feelings for him. It was really difficult. Because i was falling in love with somebody. That was doing a story about which you're not supposed to do. If you get involved with somebody that your objectivity could be compromised. And agonized about him. Benita was divorced palo said he was separated from his wife but the divorce wasn't legal yet still. She agreed to go to italy with him. He was taking me to venice. The halter was so romantic. I mean just over the top romance everything. The food the flowers the dinners. She had finally met the person that she was supposed to be. He would record these little video. Love messages to me thinking especially you're sober. I was very hesitant to introduce to my daughter. I wanted to be absolutely sure that this is someone that i wanted to keep in my life. She got an amazing. Doing her was important to him as a wing me his princesses. It was like living a fairytale. Paolo proposed at christmas giving her a ring. He said cost two hundred thousand dollars. Paolo often visited new york corp anita and her daughter lived but never stayed long telling benita he had to perform surgeries around the world. That's when he told me that there was this kind of clandestine network. Who are on call. Basically for these people he told me that it included the clintons and that he and bill were tight that they were good friends and that they played tennis together the ads the obamas to this makes solvers jail part of this vip network. He had become one of pope francis private consulting doctors zones crazy. I know we've anybody sort of fit that bill policy. Benita says paolo told her he wanted to plan their wedding in italy and was adamant they be married catholic church and i said look aside from the fact that i'm not catholic. The catholic church is not to marry two divorcees. Paolo told her he would use his personal connection to the hope to see what he could do. He said he offered to marry us himself. And the puck doesn't marry people. I'm serious. He wants to marry us. Because we're both divorcees. He thinks we're the perfect poster couple to push forward his ford thinking agenda to change the catholic church. I looked at that okay. Maybe it's not completely out of the question. From that moment on. I felt my head was spinning. And it didn't stop spinning says paolo. Toltar- that andrea bocelli and john legend with a forming at the wedding. I mean the guest list just kept growing and growing the backgrounds. The obamas the twins the clintons for some reason russell crowe list but while the wedding planning was kicking into high gear benita said palo was becoming increasingly tense about work. He had been talking to me for some time about how they're people that were against him and his enemies and one morning she woke up and read in the new york times. That colleagues at the karolinska institute were accusing him of scientific misconduct. And i'm like what the hell is going on. Why didn't you tell me. Paolo headed up a research lab at the caroline ska institute one of europe's top ranked medical universities and had performed three trachea surgeries at its affiliated hospital. Several doctors who worked alongside paolo. Some tending to the patients he had implanted with new trachea started voicing concerns about the new procedure in particular. They took issue with the way he'd written them up and medical journals. We went through. Six of powell. Macarenhas articles could show that there was lies falsifications. They filed an official complaint with the university. This was bad. It was all over the news. He was insanely stressed. I've never seen him like that. He was adamant that this was going to go away. And there was no basis to these allegations and that was just these jealous colleagues of his. We're out to get him. And i believe he was being unfairly maligned on top of that little hannah. The subject benitez documentary. Never made it out of the hospital. After her surgery. I was devastated. I had become very close to her family. It was awful hollow really depressed but they were still forging ahead with the wedding and benita and her daughter made plans to move to barcelona to live with paolo but need quit her television job and poulter daughter out of her private school. These were the knife. I had asked a group of girlfriends to go to the spot. I'm walking up to the reception desk to pay. And i pull out my phone. I see this email. The subject line just says the pope and it's from colleague and it says we need to talk and it has a link to an article that shows that the pope is not going to be in rome on july eleventh. He's going to be in south america. I actually literally almost physically fell over. Benita started investigating paolo. The way she would investigate her stories at work she also hired private investigators in the us and italy. I call the castle where he says he's booked all these rooms and everybody's saying they never heard of it. I called the restaurant that he said was catering the wedding. They say they've never heard of anything. Benita managed to get the vatican to verify. Paolo was not the pope's personal doctor. She called in clinton contact and found out. They never heard of paolo and she couldn't find any evidence that the obamas knew him. Either on top of it all heartbreak just weeks before their wedding. The italian investigator found records. That paolo and his wife were still married. Coming up the shocking discovery and a confrontation. I knew there was something hidden in that house in barcelona. And i thought the only way i'm gonna find out what it is is to go there and for him to not know that i'm going to stay. Informed has never been more important. Information is coming at us faster than ever. So how do you make sense of. It'll start here. hey. I'm brad milkey from abc news. In every weekday we will break down the latest headlines and just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app. I order myself a glass of champagne on the plane toasted myself at six pm. When we were supposed to get married and cried on the week she was supposed to marry the love of her life beneath to alexander flew to barcelona with her friends determined to discover how deep dr palo. Macarena deception wins. We're getting ready to do a little road trip. We decided that. I was gonna wear this blond wig dry house and i'm watching behind all of a sudden i see somebody so i yelled to to my friends. I'm like somebody's there and they jump out of the car and they walked down the hill. He was paolo and he was not russia. Like he said. I'm in the car. May hurt is counting on. Come down the steps with his dog. He's dare. I was angry as hell was angry. As hell. you you lying second. Yeah i see you and your white shirt and your black shorts and grey hair. you as i'm videotaping. This i see a one and two kids from what i could tell. He had a whole family there. So we ring the doorbell and he answers the door follicle about and he's like. Why are you here this i found by and we're like oh we wanted to give you a gift you know for the wedding for the wedding. That never happened. Basically old zone is is eyeballs. He was looking down and they were going like like he was calculating was trying to figure out what lie he told and what he was going to say next but i see him. Walk back up the stairs. I mean my my friends open the car door. I am not even crying wailing. The last time i ever saw him was when he turned around and walked those stairs to go to his house in barcelona. I decided to text him. I basically sent him this long text telling him that i knew he was lying about everything any makes me sick. He writes back one word. Wow that's always said. Wow i was devastated. I was shattered but nita wondering what else. Paolo could've lied about. Emailed caroline's institute. Were paolo worked. I wrote To emails and basically said you know man isn't whom he seems to be. This man doesn't walk on. Water turns out paulos. Professional life was in deeper jeopardy than benita new colleagues and other journalists were beginning to ask more questions and a reporter for vanity. Fair began to investigate. I did a pretty deep dive and every- cv. I could find from any conference. He had ever been any medical institution that had ever had him. Actually put them on a giant spreadsheet. New the timing didn't make sense. He would have been in multiple places at the same time. Paolo also claimed he had a masters degree from the university of alabama in biostatistics while also doing a fellowship in thoracic surgery and i remember calling down there s no degree in biostatistics. Okay cross that one off and then he said yeah no fellowship. In drastic surgery vanity fair also found that palo misrepresented his status as a professor at the university of italy and that some of his italian colleagues were aware of this. This guy had falsified his his work experience and yet was going around the world performing human experiments masquerading as cutting edge operations weeks after the magazine article and investigative documentary about palo aired on swedish television and working for the university. And we are trying to create new orleans frankenstein. The documentary raised a number of questions about palo's techniques and it showed footage of him admitting to an issue with patients artificial trachea while still forging ahead with another surgery. The documentary also told the personal stories of patients. Who had died. Paolo claimed a synthetic trachea did not shorten the lives of any of his patients nor caused their deaths instead pointing the finger at their underlying health conditions saying they were fatal and may have been a factor. It's difficult difficult. Tacked on me preowned the front pages and at least we would have done something wrong. Then i would understand it but i believe we didn't. The crowd was such. That's the karolinska institute had to do something. The caroline's could institute announces. They are not renewing paulos contract and unwinding his lab then the leadership of the caroline. Skit institute resigns then the leadership of the nobel prize committee and medicine resigns and it was like a bomb went off. Storrow carolin institute launched multiple new investigations against paolo. They eventually reversed their previous findings and found paolo. Guilty of scientific misconduct six medical papers. He published about the transplants retracted. We reached out to the karolinska institute. And they said it is obvious. That karolinska institute's initial handling of this case was insufficient and inadequate on several points. It has also led to extensive reform work internally at karolinska institute in order to improve and clarify a number of regulations and routine paolo implanted. Artificial trachea is in a total of eight points today. Only one is still alive. That patient has had their synthetic trachea removed. They still believe in the procedure. Of course i will even do technology and come on. I mean the first liver transplant. The first kidney transplant heart transplant. They go all well know if you do something. Such radically new. You expect complications if you look at his career. He has made doctors trust him. People get carried away because the promise of being part of something from tastic but nobody wanted to acknowledge it. There was too much everything with us too big to fail in madison until he had lied too much in his personal life. Paolo has never publicly commented on his relationship with benita and didn't respond to any of our requests for comment on this storm. I do still believe in love. They have always been a hopeless romantic. Always will i'm just. I'm really afraid to let somebody in there again. We should note that last. September swedish prosecutors indicted paolo macarena on charges of aggravated assault relating to three of his surgeries at caroline's get university hospital. He has not yet entered a plea but he's completely denied. All the charges. A court date has yet to be set. Of course you can watch the full twenty twenty episode on abc news dot com and who. That's nightline thanks for staying up with us. Good night america.
Feminist Utopia Episode 0
"Feminist utopian podcast that explores a world would look like if there were no gender roles where women and men are equally valued and respected in society. My name is Benita Malone. I am here with my friend, Debbie Williams. We invite you to join us and challenging misogyny and looking beyond the daily crisis. Tin vision, a better future in this inaugural episode will focus on what we mean by feminist Joop topa why we are starting this adventure, and what we hope to achieve in spite of what happened earlier, I do know my name. I'm Debbie Williams. But even I've been friends for a few years. I feel that the word seven est has been so maligned in the last few decades, but it wasn't always liked it redid disagree slightly. But one of my earliest memories of feminism is a group of women in my parents room with mirrors between their legs racing their consciousness our bodies. Our selves was one of my birthday presents for my mother's a teenager. But I also got a nine millimeter MAC ten with thirty round clips for my dad, but my word childhood is a story for another day. Feminism was presented to me is the hope of more opportunity not just for women. But also for me. Men they could be freed from the masculine stereotypes that have harmed them as well for generations and women themselves can reach their full potential. Maybe we could get away from the idea that the gender roles were a limiting thing. And that was before we even came into the idea that gender itself was a construct which is something else. We will explore. We disagree. Just bring. I I have to say that I think to some people men in particular that feminism has always been a bad word. I think there's a segment of the population. That is intimidated by the word and by powerful women. So when I think of feminist utopia, I think of a world where that feminism word isn't so waited and loaded, and it means more of what bell hooks says where we have rights and empowerment of all people, male and female and liberation from those sexist role patterns and oppression. So to me to be feminist is to want all people, male and female trans however you identify to be free from oppression. I completely agree. And I think you bring up a. Very good point that much of what feminism when it is viewed in a way is about messaging, and there's a book called don't think about the elephant written by George lake off. But it describes how you can create messaging and how the progressive left has failed compared to people on the right people in the right of taken feminism. I made this bookie man, that's quite to oppress men and forced women to work in all sorts of industries that they didn't ever thought about working in and they don't want to. But basically, the idea is if you allow them to create the framework of how you describe your argument you've already lost. So if the right describes feminism is oppressive thing, and you say, no, it's not we shouldn't be gauging at that point. We should promote engage. The message that it's a positive thing for all concerned. And I think that's one of the things Benita, and I really want to do with feminist utopia. We want to provide hope and knowledge and the idea that freedom is obtainable for all. Of us. And I think that's a great segue into the utopia part of feminist utopian. We recognize that there is a long way to go to get to that point. But there's that me if you can dream it you can achieve it. And when I think of a feminist utopia if we don't dream it. There's no way that we can achieve it. So my vision of this podcast is a safe space to dream and think and get outside the box and explore what a real utopia would look like where all women are empowered and the differences among the women race sexuality economic status nationality. Religion language, all of their intersectional. Issues are empowered and address which which brings us to another thing that Benin I strongly believe in. Is that intersectional? Feminism isn't important part of this podcast. One of the first things that we said while we were discussing this is that we wanted to bring and highlight voices, especially if women of color women of different marginalized communities and provide a platform where their thoughts and projects could be discussed and Benita already mentioned bell hooks who's one of my absolute favorite feminist writers. And I would say theologian, but no, she's more. She's a professor she's not the Bishop of feminism much. She is a black woman that has written extensively about black feminism. And how white feminism has failed that Benita knows more about how the term intersectional feminism was actually coined that. Was Kimberly Crenshaw. Yes. That coined that term and think a big part of where we're coming in. Our is that we recognize that both both are privileged in a number of different ways just being white economically stable in a lovey families when stable household so this podcast. We know comes out of place of privilege, and we hope to bring in people that maybe don't have the same kinds of privilege in give them a voice, we strive towards intersectional feminism, but we don't presume to call ourselves. Her sectional feminists. Like Benita said, we come from tremendous places of privilege in many different directions. I grew up in a two parent home, attended private schools went to college in like Benita separate reprinted in many ways. And I think that white women that claim their intersectional feminist are kind of stepping on the toes of the women that are dealing with intersecting oppressions, we strive towards it. We are not intersectional feminists ourselves in his white women. I don't think that's really our place to give ourselves at label. Agreed. And again, I go back to bell hooks, and she talks about privilege and having privileged isn't in south bad. What really matters is what we do with that privilege, and we have to share our resources and take direction about how to use our privilege in ways that empower those who lack it. So this is a constant learning process. I know. That I have biases that. I don't even know that I have this is kind of an exploration and an experiment, and we're going to be learning together about them is issues and equal rights issues and social Justice issues, and we hope that our explorations our inner -taining in that you will want to come on this journey together with us, the sturdy isn't just about listening to us talk because that would be boring, but and I both are completely appalled by our current political environment. But we want to do is empower people to create the change in their own communities as well. So one of the things we are going to be doing with this podcast is finding action items that you can help us to build your own feminist utopian your own communities or in our own country or in your own school or your own workplace, and I most excited about that. Dunedin? I are doers. We met when we were working together at the human disabused in on the board there, and one of the things that beneath an I bonded over was the fact that we're both doers. We like to get things done. We like to help change things we knuckle down and get the work done. So it got to the point where we didn't feel like we were effective in making change. And that we didn't feel like there was a space for us that we weren't valued in appreciated for the work that we were doing that is the insidious part of misogyny. It is like the air, we breathe it is all around this. It's that cultural phenomenon that enforces gender norms and the policing of women's behavior. And and fortunately and the community that we worked together, and despite that humanist label we still experience. A lot of patriarchy misogyny. They're just endemic. So we want to shed a light on that. You can't fight it. If you don't recognize it. And sometimes I think it's so common that we don't even recognize it and that we participated in some ways as well. It's very interesting going back to George lay cuffs. But don't think of the elephant he uses a story of pretending. There is no elephant in the room. And how eventually everybody will pretend. There's no elephant in the room. So does the elephant even exist? And that is something that I think people dealing with race certainly people dealing with gender people dealing sexuality has been raced in not naming the elephant in the room. I'm bothered by the pejorative nature saying the elephant in the room. But I think naming it allows us to change it and change is a large part of why we're doing this podcast. We believe that changes important. We believe change is coming and we want to help make it come faster. We have so many ideas of all these things to talk about to. And the the other piece of this is that we believe that change is possible. Yes. And it isn't always easy to keep that positive attitude. So we are here to build each other up and to encourage each other and to remind ourselves that change is possible. There's a lot to be concerned about right now is specially you know, reproductive rights are severely under attack right now. But one thing that is encouraging is with the election recently, at least in Texas one of the authors of the bathroom Bill, the author of the bathroom Bill got defeated. So I'm optimistic that maybe will see that Houston, equal Rights Ordinance. Comeback into play. Now in this next legislate. Session. And maybe we can actually pass it this time. I I no longer live in Houston. I'm especially of the view that that's a basic, right? I know when he row was happening in Houston. There was a call within the gay community there to drop trans rights from that particular Bill because it was just too controversial. And that was what three years ago now and for already in place for the legislators that so vehemently opposed that cues trans people of being child molesters and murderers are getting voted out in just three years. This is huge. I know a lot of people very sad that Betto didn't win and Heitkamp got voted out. And all these things happen. And I can't get over. The fact how much changed on the ground in many states like Texas, much eastern, Washington change. They got rid of people. Two. And so again, I'm very positive about this. And I want to keep that momentum going and super looking forward to it in in in case, you haven't figured it out. Our trans sisters are part of our feminist utopia or trans friends are part of our feminist utopia. We believe feminist utopia has to include liberation for all and are gender. Non conforming. Folks are welcome here too. In Hackett men. Wanna listen, we're not gonna kick them out either. Because we are all on the same side is not as zero sum game, equal rights a improves all of our lives. I that's one frustrating thing. I'm never understood is how some people think that giving rights to one person takes rights away from themselves. What do they say rising tide rises all boats or something? I honestly think having had disc-. Russian with people that I'll just call white oppressors just cut straight to the chase that they feel that losing their privilege equals oppression to them. And I'm not really interested in trying to address those folks, this is more of a positive place in if they want to argue there's always read it or for Chan or Facebook, I want this to be a safe place where we can discuss how to move forward we are moving forward. And I don't know if those people are ever going to be along on this journey. We aren't catering to them. I guess is what I want to say not only are we not gonna cater to them. We're not gonna gauge. Yes. And arguments are discussions about someone's right? As the basic human being saved those comments for someplace else, we do wanna hear from people. And as we go on this journey. I hope that people will share their ideas of what of. Minist- utopia looks like to them. And also what topics you're interested in couple of topics that were really interested in coming up. Obviously, we've touched on politics that's huge in our world. Also, I think it's an area where we can really make a difference. So we're going to get deeper into that the me too movement is still very powerful and emotional. There's a lot to explore in that area. And also women in religion. I think tonight both have very set views that we came from different religious backgrounds. I was raised Jewish in video was raised Catholic, but working within the humanist community, which is a largely atheist secular community. We've got to hear a lot of different stories about how religion has changed. The lives of women in many times. Not for the better. One of our friends friend of the podcast Deanna. Adams heads segment in a book recently, women versus religion and dealt specifically with black women in the church in the civil rights era and moving forward and how historically that worked. And where things might have worked out better if certain cultural norms had been different we're definitely going to be talking to her to learn more about that the N is awesome person at a full disclosure. She was with us at the humanist Houston as well. So one of my big things that I wanna talk about medical care for women how it's expensive how it's difficult to get. How women are dismissed, and it's very close to my heart because I had a very good friend decide not to treat her cancer. And maybe it ties into the religion. Because she thought she could have it healed through faith, but little bits and pieces. Also taught me that she was scared of the money that it would cost. And she ended up dying after five years of a cancer that she had been given an eighty five percent chance for cure on it really hits home to me how for example, breast cancer is monetize and sold and given to the privilege few in terms of treatment. And how women are expected to bear other burdens in that regard, especially with the cancers that women tend to contract. So we're going to cover that kind of stuff. I'm not sure what other fun topics. You guys have in mind. We're just barely scratching the surface. I mean, we talked about the pink tax, and how basic human needs for feminine products at that time the month are taxed and how we don't tax men the same way. We tax women men don't pay the same price for their razors that women pay. That's another rabbit hole. We can go down. Did you hear about the it was an era Zona where there was an attempt to raise money to get female prisoners more pads 'cause they were given three or four pads for each menstrual cycle. I can't imagine trying to do that. But again, it comes down to men deciding what women need and it knowing the facts in front of them, and again, the misogyny that so systemic and punishing women for having vaginas, even and so that's something that really chaps my. Nice. And it's just another example of how misogyny is everywhere, and they're an endemic, Artem our laws. Our institutions are social norms. You know until we can recognize and column out. It's not gonna change it isn't but going back to the we believe changes possible. One of the things we're going to focus on early on likely women in politics Benita. I have both worked with some really extraordinary women who ran for office had good ideas that everyone was successful. But we want to talk to the women that have run naturalist one, but women that have also lost. And find ways that we can help support one another as Warren more women move into politics. I'm excited about that. But, but he didn't I literally have to sheets with two columns filled with ideas, but we want to hear yours. Another part of this is, you know, word not PHD's or. Have specific trainy and no-one listening to this should feel like they aren't feminist enough. Nothing that we suggest is action items are intended for guilt or shame. But just more of a positive way. To gauge something you're passionate about at believed that feminism informs a lot of what we do even fashion and cooking crafting were not going to just focus on the heavy issues will get into some of those other topics as well. We don't want to continue the sigma that interests. That are traditionally held by women are somehow less or meaningless or pointless. We are feminist in many of the things we do not just politics every spent some time with Benita back in Houston. And we've talked politics I'd say eighty percent politics. And then we veered into crafting for a bit. Bit and came back to cooking trying to come up with some meal ideas, and then came back to politics, and I think that that is indicative of what anybody can do there's no right way to be a feminist and women do enough. Let's put that out there. Women do plenty. We don't wanna make you feel more guilty because you're not cooking from organic scratch every night, the calling your senators while you're stirring, the pot right? So thank you so much for listening. We look forward to hearing from you at info at feminist utopia that net Email us with suggestions for topics. If you're interested in being on, and like Benita said when we open we look forward to you coming on this journey with us. We don't pretend to be the all-knowing people who have all the answers were just starting out at this be patient with us be kind, and we really want to know what you're interested in hearing about because we hope to learn with you too. So, but that have a good evening talk to you later. Bye.
Rain Keeps Falling In Oklahoma As State's Levees Are Tested
"They are excuse me. There are seventy seven counties in Oklahoma and everyone is under a state of emergency tornadoes have whipped through parts of the state in the last week. And the bigger issue is flooding swollen rivers from weeks of heavy rain are testing levies, and swallowing entire neighborhoods in northeast Oklahoma. The national weather service is warning that every town along the Arkansas. River should expect to see near historic water levels, and as NPR's Nathan rot reports the rain keeps falling. Met Reiner is standing on a bridge near downtown Tulsa, looking at the Arkansas river below. It's waters, affronting rust Brown color dark tangles of trees and debris, keep upping by asked for his thoughts. Bryner shrugs about words, man, it's takes over at the way Brenner lives just up the hill. And he says he seen the river flood before most folks here hat but nothing. I've never seen decide. What if it's going on here? What further down the river further down the river. It's a mess. Driving east and south of Tolstoy along the swollen banks of the Arkansas. River roads are closed in fields are flooded. And once again, today, it's been raining. Raindrops pop off the windshield. Looking down at my map, and it shows the Arkansas river, you know, aways over to the north from where I am right now. But on either side of the highway, it's water basically driving on a bridge on either side parks hayfield in businesses are flooded. There's home further long entire towns have been inundated their residents forced to flee to emergency shelters in donation centers like the one at the First Baptist Church in the town of Warner about eighty miles outside of Tulsa. Benita Teague is with her family outside the church. They just finished loading her car with supplies like it's entails and take pace to brush, everything. Yeah. Everything that they didn't have a chance to grab when they fled their home. Almost a week ago in nearby Webbers falls evacuated. The twenty third. We've been down here since then. So we don't know what we got lived, or, you know, I think we lost everything when God I don't know a coworker, who left him later. Teague says told her that the water was up to her homes rafters inside the church sandy Rhett, the mayor of Webber's falls is meeting with volunteers who are organizing canned foods, diapers, and other goods. In a quarterback room right says that who home has been flooded to most of the homes and the roughly six hundred person town have been most of the town, sits right on the Arkansas river. So, you know, when the waters came up, it just went right through the town right says it people are anxious to go back, but the waters are still too hot. She's met with some who feared that they lost more than their homes. But their crops, your livestock, their entire livelihoods on. They don't know what to do. You know, everybody's just standing in limbo, not knowing what to do, but we're strong, we will be back and be stronger for it. But I she says the just need it to stop raining. Nathan rot NPR news Warner, Oklahoma.
Ray Murphy Big Carlos Pass Bridge Comments
"Agree i agree that it's beautiful to have ten footpaths. Six sixty calves bypass i believe. I believe that that would be fantastic. But i think it would be held blockbuster on a twenty four rich Sixty footprints your life. You're ruining status. In the way we in the county. Where like a family. We disagree from time to time. That's what happens in families so you got your business for road for us out there we appreciate for. We disagree with what you're doing down here the bridge. We don't want we don't want the heidrich you just don't want it. And not only the people that islands in across the bridge of the on lovers. It's people throughout the islands and throughout the city springs and elsewhere for that matter so it's there are all sorts of effects that are detrimental environmental effects. That could happen there what you will also do by building that a sixty foot span is you will displace fisher another fish there for generations because it will no longer be available from sixty feet up in the air at some possible so that that tradition which is a florida tradition will end will end up big carlos pass which by the way as one of the fishing is bridges in the state of florida. If not the united states of america. So that'll be gone. And that's one that's one bad effect but There are several others and concerned about the near you avi wrapping up but the they'll be under detrimental effects which Which i'm sorry to say will happen. And not just close by telling the i the council brings as a although they're not sending out unanimous letter right now. I've spoken the most of them. Most of them are opposed to this. I spoke to mayor. Rick steinmeyer the other day. And i forgot to bring my phone update with me to read a letter from that. Just wrote me a little while ago. But he's in he's e agrees with us in their opposition to the sixty foot staff cuts councilmember any caramba. Whose district is on the other side of the bridge is also opposed to it and the list goes on and on and on but of conclude by saying this i watched council woman holly smith who is now vice mayor hollie smith for the city of santa bell and she was interviewed the other day and they were talking about different things she said. You know there's a project coming up with lee county regarding the spoil islands going into the city of santa belt along the causeway and avi on. I'm gonna sit down with the county and we're gonna hammer out what we want on the fence throughout. Sit what we want. And we're going to work at something out. That's agreeable the everybody to the entrance to our city because it means that much to us states you at the calls pass is the entry way to choose. The city of benita springs to the south and the town of fort myers beach north. We are united in opposition to the standards for post somewhere. The took draw. Bridges were deleted from the from the plan. We want one of those back with the amenities on. There will be very happy with that. I thank you for your time.
Food Porn Secrets Revealed | Funky Fries and Burgers (DH 020)
"Welcome to digital hospitality. I'm your host Sean. Rawl check. This is Kelly. Bbq Media Production. We are in Benita California Funky fries. Burgers with my man Sebastian. Welcome to digital hospitality. Can't tell you how fired up by him so you are an instagram youtube phenomenon. New Your brand is the essence of digital hospitality. Which is why I was so excited to come and talk to an operator somebody that is already at looped location number three. This is location number three because number three okay. So location number three. When did you guys I open your first? Your first Footprint was Horse Brooklyn was Twenty sixteen we opened up about a foreigner square foot location and honest since then took the social media starting Those Yep I've heard about that you heard of that. Few had food porn is a good thing. It's actually a good thing to get likes and engagement. Exactly yeah so we just tried to create in that content and for you know a few of these insider inside of cheese All these foods. Pick this up in How did they pick you up? Because I think that's I think that's important because everyone wants their instagram. The the major thing to grow in its account or any account is to have content yes content is king beautiful pictures Lot of action shots. Or You know. People love cheese polls anything that you can do to get their attention. Yes and Make them hungry. And that's that's the name of the game so we just had been put out so many videos pictures all that kind of stuff in instagram. I or Instagram facebook facebook instagram facebook. Okay so then they reset said Do you mind if we take all these videos and pictures. I'm compiling make videos like hell. Yeah I think I think that's important because there's a lot of times in old business the way people would think as well. You're going to be stealing my recipes. You're going to be stealing my concept. That's that's like you said they're all thinking. Why is that an old way of thinking? I mean no one's GonNa Steal Concert. I mean yeah. There's still hard word. It was easy. Everyone would open a restaurant. It's not easy to do. So the then they took it and there's videos on Youtube and facebook. Go on go on to find him. Seven million views ten million views and sane seven million tenure in big numbers. So part of the reason why I was so excited to talk to you as the video. That you did with East County eats which is Kyle whissel also been on behind the smoke avenue itself has like three and a half million three and a half million views on east county. It's by far his most popular. Definitely Watch Kyle do his thing. Because he's a gag. Stories is only zillow. Sold our CONDO. Help us by our house and eastlake living he literally is the Gary Vander. Chuck the Mayor of San Diego. He does exactly what he supposed to do. But also he doesn't have video ammunition funny that we're talking about it because it was him and Brian that came in when Derek and I were recording our podcast with them and they brought in a Meteo camera so we were always audio. I in our podcast behind the smoke until Mister Kyle whissel brought this Nivo Cameron and he's like you don't mind if I record you. Of course not go ahead fucking Eric Right. After that episode we bought a Nivo camera so that we can record which is what more podcasters are starting to understand that. It's not just audio. It's video but there's another component. It's the written word and the final piece which is a digital hospitality. Piece is the in person interaction. Yeah so part of our thesis on this podcast on this. Youtube show is to find people that understand that every business needs to be digital but every business also needs to be in the hospitality business direct whether you like it or not. That's what you have to be asked if customer service is doing great customer service if that's your standard that's fucking shit like great customer services treating someone like a human hospitality is going above and beyond started this podcast. We started talking about staff and about the things that are in rain in our blood and one of the most important things that no one ever gets ignored. Now someone walks into your business. They get smiled at big. It greeted how can we help? Because it's about developing a memorable moment for that person that they're so excited that they have to go digital. They have to go on instagram. They have to go on Yelp. They have to go on Google to post about your business. No one's treated them like that. Now they went down the street they went to Wendy's they went to another shop. They went to. I mean Shit. We're in a mall. Yeah and I think that they could give a shit if you get in. It's so important in two thousand twenty and beyond that every single business understands that like you have to embrace hospitality in a way that you never have before. Because I'll tell you going to lowe's are going to home depot my wife. She will pick where she goes based off of how she's treated same products but it's how they treat her if she goes. I'm looking for this color paint. And someone actually takes her down and finds that off white color Abune or the other are on the other the guy that shrugs as I go. Oh Shit it's on. I'll sixteen logistics now. Now go that extra mile right in my restaurants if I if they want if a customer walks in and they're not greeted with higher up in the FUNKE's and Vigia first time here. Would you like a run down the menu? I mean I'm pulling them in the bag that way. Why the fuck are you not giving them the full run the full experience because like you said customer service basic service and even good food is almost not been enough anymore correct. You need to create the experience when they walk in. You know you gotta just hit off all points to back all the points in. That's part of the digital hospitality. Is these people have already? The chances are it's a high likelihood that they've already touched your business on your instagram account. On Your yelp account on your Google Account. Somebody told them about that. And that's where they're like. Oh Shit that's the place exact. They got the fucking the video. It's six million views. I gotta get that Sandwich. Majority of people do their research before they come my wife. Does I mean there's there's really no reason not to? That's why it's so important to make sure you have a good wrap up. Good name a good product Good customer service but above and beyond customers correct because you know the eminent. Yeltsin deadly man. You can look at it. It's the lifeblood of your busiest and you can see just based off of the analytics on Yelp even without advertising. You can see this user has clicked on directions for your business. This user has uploaded a photo. This user wrote a review and like no matter if it's a good review batter viewed by engaging with the customer. The chances are you're probably ten percent and that's generous of of restaurants or businesses that even respond. Oh yeah people don't even say. Thank you a review. Whether it's a one two three four five. Yeah I mean either respond or say thank you actually came out with a new thing like a pretty recently where they made it easy just to say thank you you for Iraq coming or one on the business side of Yelp you can literally click one button to thank somebody else not exactly and that that that makes it easier for us as business owners. Because we're we're busy. We like we like to do all these things but we sometimes we can't and sometimes it's expensive to hire someone that so. That was a nice thing that they added just to kind of give those people that nicer view or or even not a nice review. So thank you. We have business owners in different parts of their journey whether they have multiple locations where they're ready to launch their business where they own a brand but things that I find fascinating is that I. Oh Shit where you're jumping off the cliff and you're like yeah this is it. I'm GONNA do this. I'm going to get that four hundred square feet and we're going to open up the fucking restaurant having where it had to take take me back to to that. I mean honestly it's a it's a long. It seems like a long time ago. 'cause you know it's it's almost almost five years five years. Four restaurants sold was a open a Mexican restaurant sold and so almost five years opened. Four restaurants got rid of what now? I'm now three funky fries only Huge growth You know where does this transparency? Sometimes tubular Yeah so when we started out I had zero experience in restaurant industry. I just had always in my family. You know gas station liquor store in always something in retail and I had this on paper probably two years before I even opened Just you know the recipes. Now these are things you cook at home or things that you just I just. I've always been a business owner. I've always wanted to own my own. Business are always run. The family business. I knew I wasn't going to work anymore. Yeah so I I said fuck it and I just wrote everything down on paper and I didn't know when the right time was going to be. I just wanted to have it thrown on my safe cool. We actually had a little spot. Open up In one of the in our in our strip mall that's we'll get an extra store and As you know what fuck it. Let's just try to do it? Let's just do it? Yeah so Started UP We married at the time not married. Just Buchan not no responsibility but not It it might guide. I'M GONNA try to take a lots. I lose what's the worst Sixty seventy fucking try. I tried it. It is what it is. Yep So tried it You know literally recision Twenty Sixteen Twenty Sixteen so never been in. A kitchen never Never held a fucking spatula so to Some friends of the family. They were cooks They let one of their jobs came in. And just Kinda helped me put it all together. You know I said I wanNA make a Garland I only I have no idea how to make a buck I I I just know it from eating or whatever so they helped me put together. Help me get my weight around the kitchen. How the perfect some recipes and then from there just opened up like started. These videos started post on instagram. Where would the COMMS concept comes from? Was it food porn right out? The Bat it was it was it was like well. I'm making the food really. How was I wanted to just open up? Your a Foodie is absolutely I'll go I would go to Taco shopping fucking. Hey can have an opinion about food shocking. Exactly life has a couple of opinions but I would just different shit on out of fries or just do that so it just hit me like I said a few years before I even open just like a custom. Friday shop would just going to be easy. It was just going to be funky fries so Dan. I'm putting all this stuff together and I'm fucking Mac and cheese on top of fries. I showed my son. My son is almost three years old video before we came into. He's like Oh dad like Oh yeah now. We're talking like exactly we're talking really smart. Two of his favorite things on this earth man I mean the the way to devise burgers. It was strictly fries and then you make the Pizza Burger and I'm like I'm in a pizza fries. I can make a Pizza Burger. I already have should anyway. So you know. Let's make pizza. Burger tried it was amazing. Same thing You know we had bacon Mac and cheese fries. Yes Cool let's make a big Mac and cheese burger and then that's when we sat. That helped me out in the beginning. We made a fried MAC AND CHEESE PATTY PATTY. I know they had a back east But that was the first out here. No loss no one had that stuff so Then just started slowly you know it's added a burgers and it became funky fries burgers and the shakes also known for Freak Shakes and We know we have rick shakes. Yeah like instagram -able shade. Instead grandma will take bone. That's what it's about meant. It is no one gives a fuck. You fucking Cherry. Absolutely they want to. They want you know you see those crazy bloody Marys we this and that and you know all that stuff fried chicken know exactly they picture Greg? But that's that's the beauty of social media. They bought it. That's cool. We made money on it. They're taking a picture if they don't eat it. That's fine but the next person seeing that. What the walkers that I want that. Look at that fucking thing dripping with this. And he's got a cupcake and then that person comes in. That's that's what it's about. That's what you know social media for its work great in that content creating that what the. Fuck my dad you know we. We put a rubber duck in a fishbowl cocktail aside literally multiple different types of ducks and now we've branched out now. We have turtles and we have all different kinds of fucked. But it's it's literally it was. We had a fish bowl which is a big large Meyde drink. Yeah everyone has that but then we put for the photo shoot. We put a fucking rubberduck in the fish. Borough we accidentally printed that picture of the fishbowl with the rubber duck on the menu and then people started ordering it go. Where's my rubber duck? Oh No I don't know yeah. We started ordering rubber ducks now in the rubber duck business. That's it all kinds of rubber fucking ducts. But it's GONNA put your name on there ever. Does it take it home? I think in a bubble bath. They're going to see it and then they go back to Kelly barbecue but that is the evolution of the world that we live in the as it is visual because it is audio because it is you wanNA taste it but you also it. It's a sharable thing now. You want to see it and you want. It gives you that desire to want to go to that business. I think one of the most interesting things for me on the business side of you can want to have food porn business and you can make a bunch of incredible food. That looks sexy one time but in order to make it a business you have to be able to make that shake or that fry with a line of fifteen people who want the same dance because they tell us can you tell me about the operational challenges of ticket times and getting the food that so that was seafood sexy food. I mean really put lipstick on you. Get that fucker out the whole thing. I mean what I what I learned and learning from. I love the like I would love to talk to you and just get your advice. I A lot of restaurant guides so just talking to them and you know having zero restaurant experiences like consistency of the good food. Good make sure it's always good quality the quality control and Ray Crock. You have you ever fucking Nick Big Mac here and you have a big Mac and Bulgaria guy saying big fucking same exact. You will not be disappointed. Yeah yeah so would the freak shakes and all that stuff and ticket times when we brought them when we when we started making them we tied ourselves when we made it so if there was something that was taken too long to do at long A freak shape probably from start to finish takes about six minutes six minutes. Yeah and I mean that's I honestly. They could get him out sooner. That's what I did. Is I understand. Well I took the visit a five on five start. Yes at a five star Yelp Review. That's GonNa come a bit or is it a two star like you can get it out like we can get a tailgater out but if it's shitty food correct like exact. Don't talk and put it out exactly. Just don't tell. Ya employee if you if you don't if you wouldn't need it if you're gonNA take a photo of except when it hits the table don't fuck and take it out bring it out. Don't bring it down. I'm not even GONNA get yeah. We'll fix the problem exactly because there's a different problem that's happening. Yeah Yeah I agree with that. Well I also a lot of the three six. I'm sure we'll get some shots over. We've kept the rims every morning so we'll probably prep like five ten lars yes? Par is based off of volume free. Seattle roughly Amazon. You know we know we know how it goes in. I mean sometimes you you sell out and then you make an order to actually start. Stick ten twelve minutes whipping up these wrens from scratch in You'll you'll see you know. They're they're placing candy. They're making it really beautiful to make that experience for those people. There's places that try and mimic It's pictures and video. Yeah and others fucking puts a whip cream and DAB it and some it looks like Shit. So that's the reason that people come back awesome exponential power of social media marketing. Is that literally? It can be on snapchat IC and beyond tick tock it can be on facebook it can be on. Instagram could be on instagram stories. But it's now it's not just me as one person going and telling my buddies. Hey I just had this fuck incredible shape. The is me telling whatever hundreds of people some people have. Thousands of people have hundreds of thousands millions of hours where they actually like. Oh Shit that's the spot exactly like you just put a fucking flag in the ground and now I have to go to there and the end of the thing is it has to taste good. There's a limit. Has You know thank you for. A lot of people will open this spices up or open food food porn place. It just became diet starts tomorrow on the your your Funky Diet. Yeah Punky Oh yeah so you know it's like you have to create the Gimmick. Yes the Gimmick is funky prize crazy fries crazy Nebraska. Yeah but you have to follow it up with quality absolute because they're gonNA come into say all all the fucking Shit and if they come in and it's mediocre never come and Bob so we're not so you gotta give them the show you gotta give them first off you. GotTa Hospitality You GotTa give them the rundown of that many. You gotTa make them feel like they're that wanted you know you give him the Ooh and then when they taste it. Got To be correct if not you know. Actually I'm sure you see the places. Close Open close in daily so. I mean that's the the most impressive thing is when you can a brand or a business. That's not only sustainable. But that you actually want to open up another location year here number three yes. I'm back to what you said there. There's challenges you're open in Plaza Benita Mall and you know malls across America. Have their own challenges? Big Box retail are facing their own challenges. Trying to figure out. How do I deal with Amazon prime when my wife can sit in bed and we have two young children it instead of going down to the mall fighting parking coming into a store where she's not greeted yet we're if she's looking for her size no one cares like this flora's messy it just it? It's it doesn't the energy. Isn't there exactly instead. She just presses one button on her phone and the next day. Somebody brings a package. It's Christmas like everyday is Christmas. Everyday how do you compete with that? You compete with that with experience with that with hospitality. You compete with that with quality. And that's why I'm so excited to talk to business owners like you because it's in your blood it's your DNA you can't you can't help. It's part of it is. It's not a great opportunity is that we're living through this digital revolution where now your story can be told all over the world. Yeah your story can help another business owner. That's on the other side of the world on the other side of the country as it goes up about this is I mean he just get like you said people are going to see this in New York and Michigan at a channel. Lucky to have people listen to digital hospitality that listened to behind the smoke that continue to follow the journey. We are grateful and they reach out. You know they tell us things that resonate with them and things at some business owners says that might have saved them. You know from some catastrophic catastrophic spending too much money on a build out. You know spending not buying enough sure. I can tell you about that. I love this this place I mean like I guess some some bureau this location. Four hundred square feet second location. How how second location thousand square feet thousands two and a half times and then moved a small location over to about Eighteen hundred square eighteen hundred. So now you're so you keep adding keep adding okay so we don't WanNa keep adding and making huge we. We just we need onto that now. If you seven hundred square feet another location. It'll be half that exactly you learn you learn what you need and Yemen and talk talking about this place. What was your build out. Three seventy five was three seventy was paper. And I'm I'm pretty decent savvy when it comes to building stuff in practicing and stuff like that but coming here where it's the mall. Yep It's not owner builder. So I I built all these places on my own correct obser- hire people and get done. So Oh you need to have a contractor seven million seven Sheri- correct all right. After I signed the lease odd. Shit all right cool Ten years if I'm five so there's a cost there boom boom boom and it started building up and I'm like I could build this. We're going to build a canopy alcohol on and it was gonNA cost me like thirty thirty grand so I like. This is GonNa cost me double it for fun on my number somebody at high sure because we sixty grand this fucking canopy outside past me like a hundred ninety thousand dollars. Motherfucker told me you can land helicopters on them but you know what they said feed. My baby is what I need to do to helicopters. Pack of what I did it for the whole place. Went outside to dig seven feet deep. Kay San's and And of course the contractor that rain for four days of course off faulk four days got bringing this equipment cost me an extra ten grand. There was a there was another foundation another slab of concrete. Two feet down. Come on swear to God so he said he called me up. This is I'm I'm having my I'm hospital my wife. Just had our kid. Congratulations thank you very much. Which is like this. This is welcome to business like when you own a business. Life happens and there's never a great time to have a child whenever you have. A child is the biggest blessing. It changes everything changes you forget about the two helicopters landing on your realize that in the big scheme of things it will all work itself out and you keep doing what you WanNa do. We'll find another funny thing. Is that if there's an earthquake you win. There's he said tell everyone to come under. Your candidate ain't going nowhere. Okay good. I'll be. I'll be exactly it's all but then again I really Stand by you know I love to learn from yes on a lesson you know what I mean if you are scared of mistakes. And they're scared daily. Let's word the biggest growth happiness so now open another one yet. My three seventy five budget is out of the fucking door if I do. If you do something of this size no now you learn correct so I never build a canopy fucking to tell you that right now. You'll never build a can of how about the delivery. Yes we do Jordache I'm sorry. We do a node actor. Yes door dash an uber. Jordache new delivery scary man. It's very scary very scary. I really like the Mafia. Yeah I read a stand. Take off your leg really By twenty five or so this this was a stat came out in some kind of tech magazine. I forgot where I read it by. Twenty twenty to thirty to forty percent of your sales will be through tablets. Yeah how fucking scary is that for us. A lot thirty or forty percent of my business that. I'm already struggling to make a penny on correct. They're gonNA take twenty five to thirty percent of correct. How do you comeback? So now? It's like I don't I don't it's like I'm at the point where okay fuck it do. I get every fucking tablet and get ahead of the game and adjusts. I even thought about kicking him to the fucking curve. I ten grand a month in one location in one tablet. What about have it half goes customer and BECCA. I'll still make more money so really to come at. It is and this is something that that showed a lot of people that tell them tablets. I said you have to make these cards. I learned this from a job to do what I've been discarded so I learned this from John. I love watching John Motherfucker. So he said he's finding that like you know how how I am I doesn't we all we all learn from each other. Yeah if you're willing to listen. Yeah so he said the The ritual over. How is everything cool? Here's a for twenty percents off next time you get back one more time when they come in and they redeem that twenty percent fired you give them a ten percent or this idea at twenty ten and a free deserve but he was like okay. Try Out ribs. Southern LOW-COST COST YEP. Try Records on a house next time. Yup Boom you bring them back credible by the third time to give a fucking desert cost you two bucks cheesecake tape cheesecake. Here's the next time. They came to three times a day three times a great meal. They're gonNA come back over and they're going to start paying full price not forever forever. Yeah they say like the odds are seventy to eighty percent of you. Get someone three times. You have a customer for life yet so I took that and I put it on the Applied to Delivery to tablets so now when they get when they get their first delivery I send a twenty percent actually every twenty percent coupon for in Dining or phone order only got it so now you try and eliminate the ubers and bring them in. Hopefully they're going to spend when they come into your tent. You should do it and we will do that absolutely. Have we absolutely have to combat assign? You're absolutely right though when we talk about managing every week back to so everything we talk about. We'll put links in the show notes but I heard John Taffer on Gary Banner. Chuck's asked Gary V and he broke that down very well for restaurant owners. So we'll put a link in there too that episode but that's very important fucking guys sponsor. Very important quick was absolutely. We're we're all creatures have had. Yes so if we start building inhabits like we all know where we go and back to having a family and raising kids like you're going to go wherever you're comfortable yet so if me and my wife decide that okay. We're comfortable bringing our kids here or were comfortable with. We know we like that food. We're going to call and that's going to become part of our routine whether it's once a week whether it's once a month like we have a list. These are the places that we go and these are the places we don't you need to get on that list. He said if you're not on that list you will not sustain that business and that's how you got you got you just have to hook them. Yes one two three times. Yes they love it absolutely and that goes back. You GotTa have a flop. Flawless three times flawless. You have to have that customer service. You GotTa have the GIMMICKS. You've gotTA follow it up with with the quality 'cause now being consistent on those three points you'll get it is it is what it is. We're fortunately people are looking. They're looking to pick you out there looking at pick your sure that goes back to. You can build a sustainable model on a gimmick discount. Either which is why groupon never works never is that because if we discount our tailgater which are all you can not all you can eat. But it's all of our slow smoked meats family style for five people and it's seventy dollars but that's the best seventy dollars you spend at the restaurant and that's what we make all of our money on. That's where our number one to go live. We do a group on where that's half off. Someone can pay thirty five dollars. Why would they ever WANNA pay seventy five? Never they're never going to pay that. Never the same when you do any kind of group which is why this is different. Twenty percent that's fine twenty percent you can you? Can you can live with the acquisition cost of a lifetime. Generational customer yet right. Will you try and get him in? Also you know that's twenty percent is to combat the twenty five or thirty. Correct that you're going to make you might make five or ten percent more and then you're given that ten percent and they might say fuck it. I'm not gonNA order on here. I'm going to say ten percent plus delivery fees all that stuff and come in but then that's when you hook them with the experience They're not going to be able to order shape to go. Yeah they're not going to hear someone. Hey bill welcome back. They're not going to hear that. So that's the that's the whole part of hostility. Everything like you're saying. Is You just really have to create an experience from start to finish? So how many employees do you have? Now I believe fifty five between all three fifty five fifty five US fifty people. How do you have you motivate in this day and age? I mean you know money. Money and ours is not even enough anymore. Yeah you know. Don't get me wrong. You had the you had the great core set of people that you that you start off with absolutely you know but then there's going to be people that come and go and you can't do anything about those about those guys all you. All you can do is do what you're doing that. Stay true to your brand stay. True to who you are and people will be compelled to work at places that are doing things differently. Yeah that aren't just doing things just for the paycheck or just for the hours. You're teaching someone life skills that most likely they're out a young age they're an entry level position but they're learning hospitality that they'll never learn if they just go to school now if they just go to an office job what you learn when you actually have to ask someone and take them through your menu. Take them through why. It's important that they ordered the things that they order help. Them anticipate needs. Oh you have you have a child. You like high chair like all those things. Those are that anticipation of understanding. It's not just answering the phone because Conrad It's knowing what to say when the phone. Rene you know we say your name. Make sure say the location. I mean just you could go. We could go on and on about how detail oriented. We have to be As owners to tell these people how to act and react to to customers. I would love you to talk about your choice to use one. Instagram account. Set a three to be honest with you. I just know that we grew one so large and I. I know that I was able to grow during the instagram. Kinda boom yes. I knew that I was going to be able to replicate at once twice. So one on one account twenty almost twenty thousand followers organic no no box. No nothing was too so we really those are people that really follow you in engaged with you. I. I don't feel like we're GONNA be able to do that. So locations in new specials per location That's really I think it's I think it's really smart. I think it's just it's it's a lot more work to do it. And but it's also the same menu at all three locations. Yeah so same. That helps yeah. It's probably a honestly if I had different different different menus now. A big point where I would do something different. Because you know you're taking pictures they'll obviously not the same thing. Yep So probably be a deciding factor but but these are all important things that you all. I mean because it's not just instagram. It's facebook it's twitter. It's YELP YELP is a different business location physical address. Where yes you have to have a separate page but although things have to be updated constantly constantly you have to feed the feed the beast career Internet beast the digital beast and as always fucking hungry. It's always hungry. You know What kind of what kind of plans you have for for this year. Twenty twenty honestly man. I like honesty. Yeah I mean you. We took off foreigners square feet right crazy doing like ninety grand foreigners were in San hurt him. It's in Sackville one of my guys these guys. That's more per square foot than fucking than That shake checks obviously a foreigners benefits. But it's a cool cool. How four hundred square feet is it just a window? I mean how big the kitchen three hundred four. Three hundred and eighty was probably Probably Seventy Square foot eighty square feet of Holy Shit entryway. How many fires to Friars Holy Fuck? You have wrote but was shit. Yeah like fucking Manhattan's yeah. I mean listen. We grew really fast and very fortunate. This Not GonNa sat rushed into it But it's going to transcend is. Don't go too fast. Golden strike while the islands hot. Don't go too fast for any for anyone listening. That's the major thing especially if you have a If you have a a I'd take myself for example I blew up crazy. People come out of the woodworks I wanna I wanNA Franchise I WANNA take this. Let's take a here. Do this keep that to yourself. Don't don't don't go for quick money yet My goal is to franchise not now when I'm ready to do it. I'll do it was. I don't WanNA manage sixty fucking people mile life as I grow. Yeah for Charlotte. The gopher this year is to really just dial in these three YEP maybe towards the end of the year open. Open a fourth Midway through the year we'll talk about it as long as all. These are on on point on pace to to keep growing. And I'm already in the works for the franchise Work in policies and procedures. And all that stuff. That's the goal and like you have kids I got I got two kids. I'm not trying to work fucking seventy hours a week anymore. Will you goes back to. Do you want to work in your business or on your progress and you ended in. There's a point where you have to be in your business as you're growing to be one location. Where eleven years in yet like I know now where we're going to go and that's doing media yet so we're GONNA continue to add clients to me oster to help them do what we've done but back to your point is that you had you. GotTa Find Your playground area. You know what is your playground? What is your core component? That drives you every single morning to wake up to do what you do to build your brand but then all the other stuff. There's other people that can probably do it better than US absolutely. That's that's as a man. Yeah one of my biggest weakness is really do I. I don't have to do it some. I can actually probably hire somebody. That will do a better job than me. You in opening the restaurant closing the restaurant. Who is doing the checklist? Like I guess what my General Manager Eric he does that fucking five hundred times better than I could. I just can't I have to do something else nine. I I can't help myself. You gotta you gotTa Find Your where you're the most productive because I could go work the kitchen every day. What am I doing. I'm work in the business. I'm not looking for new location. I'm not Look at improve it just like you said if you're working in it you can't work on. Yes so that's I mean that's a whole nother topic thought about employment and I know for sure what one thing I do. WanNa talk about his family business as the N. who's your sister. She works out and she works out. Jim Trotter at Tenth Planet Spring Valley. You have had Murad on the PODCASTS. We've had Prince Tiger smalls Nice on the podcast as well. They have an incredible business there. Jim they're trying to open up another trying to open up another location Your sister she is a buck in. Tough is very top Twin so I mean. They're they're crazy so but they also help out in the business. Oh yeah and like that's part of the village mentality my family. You know growing up restaurants you you. Kind of have to your. But that's part that's part of the growth. I couldn't I couldn't have been I could've had you know it'll four restaurants in this almost five years without honestly you know my sister's Mom Dad. Mom run out of all the back end stuff erol. Every every everybody did shop and they helped me with operations they. They're the ones if you know if it wasn't for them I couldn't grow out. How wrong and I and I probably wouldn't have. I probably would've stayed with one if it was just a one man show who knows what happened. So they are a big factor in a big reason of why I am where I am and you know my pops is of fucking handyman. He knows literally knows like sixty percent of everything that's sixty percent of a job where he just knows everything and so he probably saves me on every bill twenty grand. Sure Shit that he can do. Yeah so he's a huge help moms and everyone's a new job. It's it's definitely a family a family affair over here but like I said I I would probably be where I am without them. There's no there's no way and the other thing I wanted to ask you about is your wife because I know for myself that no man can accomplish anything he wants. He doesn't have a stronger woman at home and tell me a little bit about. I mean she is very supportive I think in this business. You don't really have to. You have to be supportive because we come home sometime. We're stressed the amount of our hours. I whatever you plan your day once you get into it. Never near in operation ever was all of a sudden. My goal is to always be proactive. Not Reactive Yeah. When I'm when I was managing the restaurant it was all reactive to what was happening. And it wasn't me being proactive. So Act on and in the business. You're absolutely right. Is You have to have somebody that understands. May when I get home I might not even want to talk about any of it. Yeah or I might WanNa tell you about every fucking thing and you don't even need to respond. Hasn't just let me tell you how fucking six cooks and working through. Locations Shifts in Zion. But definitely like I said if my immediate family it would be hard to grow and avoids afford to have a strong wife at home and someone that you could talk to and you know even someone that you know. She's not in the restaurant industry Shit about someone that can even give you an opinion of because someone on the outside looking in might even see some that. You're not seeing She's GonNa Chino's you knows you better than anyone planet definitely. So just you've saying the things and being vulnerable with her helps her give you guidance and I know that for myself that I share. I share with my wife that she gives me advice. No one else can give you know. They're smarter than we think. Much much smarter. They're they're always rightfully. That's for sure you're watching you're right. You're right baby you know you're right. So how can people find you just Google ask Alexa? Yeah funky pop and if we don't show up in your pissed and we gotta figure out a Problem Happen Burger and in San Diego. You'll probably catch US boom. We did the The reader event they do the Best Burger in San Diego. Beer event Their first year. We WON'T FIRST PLACE SECOND YEAR Second Year second place third year it was like either either best in show or most unique burgers like that but three years in a row Fucking headline in that. Everyone's just before we started. We had a line of maybe sixty people on. Everyone else was empty. But they just wanted to try fungicides. That's the best it was. It was crazy man. That's the best. I Invest Burger with our pork Burger second year with our Bacon Mac and Cheese Burger and the third year. I think that's why I when I is that the best to show or most unique. I put them both together. And I made a full board with the MAC and cheese daddy and people were just fucking losing an task type. Fantastic gambles fucking like this. They're coming and they're getting a quarter of a great point. No that's a great point. If you get invited to participate in a food event and got out light treat it like a fucking super bowl read it like it is the most important thing and I don't care if you're going to church if you're going to local fire station if you leave your four walls and you go somewhere go with everything you have bring your fucking eight and I could have just did a fucker you doing. What are you doing? Who's going to see you for a regular burger. So many people they send their new staff or staff. That don't care I every single fucking ass. There I was there. My wife is when we first started. We would be at everything and even now. I'm afraid to go absolutely you know. Even if I'm that's an opportunity it's an opportunity. I mean there's I think two thousand people come to these things. Yes so I I know for sure because I I would poupon. Yeah that are from the reader event. Beautiful I know you knew. How many am I really getting across? I won't even do the fucking abandoned or if I'm not getting it anymore. It's a waste of a day but it's money it's time it's labor it's every yes so but if I'm not getting some purpose yeah so but every all three years that I did it. I mean social media hundred hundreds of people magazine US shares. People come in and redeeming those coupons. Because they like that's what it's about if I don't WanNa fucking place cares the food genetically. It's literally the digital hospitality. Magic is when you activate offsite when you activate offsite and you do at the same. When do it in at your child all of a sudden you like I'm exposed to all these people right fuck in front of them and they're like I met the owner? The owner was here and I my Dad's yellow bird come on down and people are like? Hey that Guy Salmon Sam the owner. He's fucking great guy. He's amazing but he's that guy you know he's he was the best. GotTa put your your carry is in the right play. The market. We had next to my original location. We have for thirty three years so they would you know? My Dad was a staple and of course SAM. The marriage is the same the Mary zone for SAM present exactly. Well thank you. Guys for listening to the PODCAST. We're GONNA do a behind the scenes youtube episode Obviously you've made us very fucking hungry for some of these guys and let me take that subscribing Youtube Channel Kelly. Bbq media obviously checkout funky fries burgers on instagram on facebook on twitter north twitter. You will be afterwards. Let's get you set. Let's get him on twitter ranked in late than yeah yet Lincoln. Okay we're GONNA put all those links in the show notes stores GonNa make that happen but US thank you for subscribing to the podcast. We'll check you out. Check you guys out next week thanks PAT.
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Ep #54 Paul Kiker and Heidi
"Sir. Podcast network. The voice of Florida. S on. It's put on a map it's documented and that at the end of season. All that information goes to the state and US fish and wildlife, so far we have documented two nests. So again before it started before may one. So the state wants to know what the what the activities of outside of that official day. So we've got to nest both of them are on Benita beach. Okay. I had one foot. What's called a false crawl or in other terms anon- nesting emergence? Okay. On Fort, Myer speech, the turtle came ashore. But did not nest. So we're waiting for her and many others. She's looking for better property, I guess or you know, where she came ashore in what we call zone nine which is at the south end of the island wildlife area. Actually, not sure why she didn't s but he just didn't quite get. It turtles come back to the place where they themselves hatched. That that location is changed. So she's looking for or she may have been the turtle that went little bit for the south and neces- Benita. I did want to make a quick mention to the big crowd that we have here. If you wanna listen, you can listen on iheartradio or Spotify or the beach talk radio. So okay, we are live on Facebook. But if you don't have Facebook on your phone, you can listen that way. And so I I have been asking the wife and everybody this question here, we might know anything about turtles because I don't know anything about turtles when can you run? And how if you're running in the dark on the beach? What should you not do or when is it? Okay. Or what kind of like can use? Well, ideally, there should be no light on the beach. If you're running you might want to use a red LED headlight that would help you. But we discourage people using an iphone or certainly a flashlight and that is because sea turtles are knock. Ternal animals, they see in the dark. We don't. And when a light appears it can scare her away from nesting attempts. Or if you're in hatching season, the hatchlings see the light, it can disorient them, and they end up not going into the ocean as they should. But rather they will just wander around in on the street or essentially lost and condi-. Okay. So how many turtles had from hatching the average from nest the average number of I don't know anything about turtles to correct me. Teach you the average number of of eggs that turtle will laze about one hundred twenty we're talking about loggerhead sea turtles now out of those hundred twenty maybe eighty percent will hatch a turtle any given. Turtle loggerhead that is may nest maybe on the average seven or maybe even as many as nine times season. And she could listen to this though, she could theoretically lay close two thousand six out of this thousand eggs, and this is really really important only one to four hatchlings will survive. And that's why is always sensual, essentially. And so important that we make the turtle that we make the beach turtle friendly, which means no lights visible on the beach. And that if you should while, you're running and counter turtle don't go up to her. She sees you and because of her nocturnal vision, but just stay way. Back, and you can certainly watch that awesome event, but don't ever approach. Turtle do not ever shine a light on her do not ever take flush graph are protected by law. I stopped running on the beach because I was afraid that I was doing something one guy really yelled at me. I just think he yelled at me because he didn't like the light. I had it wasn't even turtles season. But now running over the bridge hard, it is to run over the bridge. That's how much turtle fan. I am now run over the bridge because I don't want to affect the turtles. So helping your health. Yes. Yeah. Well, not really it's killing my knees. So the question I have eve is not your fault. I mean, you're saving the turtles. I why do the turtles run like crazy or Crawley crazy into the water? Now, they're just making themselves bait right for fish. Turtles you talking about the hatchlings? Yeah. The had the not call the turtle. They're not called a turtle yet. When the first some type about the turtle. Let's but yet turtle. Okay. The they're not saying that. Instinct is to reach the water as quickly as possible to escape predators and predators on the beach could be a ghost crabs fire AM's, even nocturnal birds. You know, the night herons so their inclination their survival technique is to get into the waters quickly as possible. And yes, they are part of the food chain in the marine ecosystem. But when you have this many hatching 's going in it will be survival of the fittest. And there will be certainly turtles have survived for over two hundred million years. So that mechanism of all these hatching making it into the water yet being part of the food chain has worked if they also vives I jokingly say, we could walk across the ocean. But the balancing the ocean has worked for two hundred million years. The only the problem is we humans have affected that balance by interfering with turtles. Even lameness. We've changed the habitat we've introduced lights so that turtles can't can't find their way back to the ocean or the disorient. So it is all worked very well. But we just need to become more turtles friendly turdly cognizant, and we're here to help people do that. What about you know, the condos that are on the beach or lights from houses that sit directly on the beach to those affect the turtles as well. Really? This is this is exactly the population that we are addressing when we talk about turtle friendly beaches all buildings along the beach have to have either the amber LED lights recess in a canister people must close their drapes. Okay. And now, we're really pleased to say, for instance, the pink shell has converted all their patio lights, amber LED, read, I'm sorry, amber LED lights, and they're wonderful. They provide. A lot of light. We don't expect anybody to honker in the dark. We do not want to compromise. Anyone say we have a question from the live audience. We have a live studio audience all over America that you didn't know that Jerry wants to know that you said one out of four of thousand one to four one to four he's right. He ride it. He wrote it right. I can't read it, right? One to four out of a thousand make it where do those numbers come from? That is based on long term data that I mean there that number based on the number of Ness, the number of turtles that have been tagged, and it's it's based on the long term data. I mean, it's may not be one hundred percent accurate. But it is a fig Napa guy sit on the lay on the beach and ninja outfits with night vision, goggles and watch this. Do you have what is that me? No. 'cause I mean, can you do you do that as part of something you do watch and see how it I think that would be? Cool take school room full of kids and get him all dressed like ninjas interference. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Smelly too much stress on the turtles. We don't need to be out there, we really discouraged people going out. And because as I said sea turtles are nocturnal. They see very well in the dark. We know exactly. What has happened in the morning light? We can read San we know where each and every little track went, and ideally what we want to see is little baby tracks going from the collapse nest straight into Zini treks morning. Not yet. It's too early. Well, I'm sorry. No. We we we've monitored from from a bunch beach all the way to the county. Call your line Lee county. Call your line. And there was nothing this morning. Turtles would you say you saved over your lifetime? I don't know. I don't even. Let me say a lot. I want to hold you to. All right. Dear. I know you had a question I kept in a ruptured. So how long is the just station period? But by the time, they lay their eggs, and they make their way to the good question. Painter turtle about an hour an hour and a half to lay the eggs than she covers up. The the extra about two feet deep in the sand. Okay. It takes a little hatching about two months to develop an interestingly with some people a lot of people don't know is that temperature in the nest determines the gender the sex of the of the turtle if the system the nest temperature is eighty four degrees and lower. It'll be all boy turtles if it's eighty six degrees and higher the all-girl turtles. Pit houses cooler. Temperature eighty four to eighty six to just at about fifty had trade. So takes about two months to have the hatching processes is absolutely astounding. These hatchlings these eggs are about two feet down in the sand. The hatchlings all have to at the same time out of the eggs, the eggs are soft. So when they come out of the becomes like a carpet, and then they're in a room and they've been bent in half for two right, right? Takes them about three to five days to straighten up. They absorb the yolk. They get a little new. And then the oxygen. I imagine gets very thin in that nest. And then they start scrambling around in there like a fire ant nest, and they work their way up the sand filters down and bills the floor up like an elevator hatchlings do not crawl through sand. Okay. Has she's seaters air-breathing reptiles a brief as we humans do. So they work they way up and then just before they reached the top of the beach or top nest they stopped because they don't wanna hatch in the daytime their night there reptiles, right? So they one hundred if the San is one hundred degrees that you know, that they know they know do not wait until the sand above their head is cold or cool. And that's usually about two or three hours after sunset, and then they all come out little notes. Stick out is stick out what they wanna do the lightest spot in the light of spot is usually the word horizon. And that's how they know. Got you. Seaward horizon looks is gone right to the hatchlings because they see in the ultra light range, the horizon is there beckoning light. So that's why if there's a light in a somewhere else confuse don't know the difference between artificial light and the natural light. So is there some kind of law like if somebody interferes purposely interferes with this whole process. What's the what's the that guy going to jail or what there are laws? These are the primary laws so people should look for this. If they're on the beach. That's what the sign looks like if you're on the beach just for instance, any person knowingly, violates and provide housing dollars up four penalty up to one hundred thousand dollars, can you imagine a serious? Yeah. Going to the county jail and you're sitting next to somebody for armed robbery. And he says he what you went for why stepped on a turtle. Well. Guys spec is going to get his his. Knowingly. Yes, accident isn't out right. Knowing stir being criminal behavior. Right. So is there a way for people to volunteer and help sure every every beach access from here to call. You county has a turtle times telephone number. They can call that number or they can Email or look on our website, WWW dot turtle time. Turtle time dot org website since you log on there's a turtle big turtle. Yeah. They are so beautiful and graceful I was out paddle boarding last year. And you know, looking around there wasn't an Iran across a smaller. I, you know, I have no idea but smaller, and I just he or she was swimming around pop their head up. It was amazing. And they are really they're so cute and they're beautiful. Yes. And they're the caretakers of the oceans, I mean, there's a reason why the sea turtles are protected each species has a specific function in the ocean ocean that we depend on we humans. How long can they live sutras on the average live maybe seventy eighty years? Wow. They're so their social please don't try to folks. So so out of did I asked us already. I've already forgotten out of how many like all these turtles race to the ocean to the sunset to try and make it to China. How many actually survive? Four one they make it too. When they make it to the water. How many actually survive in the water? That's what percent can make it religion. Yes. I mean, however, what happens in the Oche, ROY? And that's that's based on years and years of research on beach documentation on number of Ness and their mathematical. Systems that the researchers that's way beyond me. That's how they determine these numbers. How do they tag and who tags? There are definitely programs that tags Santa bell captive conservation nation does tag use satellite-tracking. Also, they put the turtle. Vice on the turtle and this then determines and gives information where they migrate when they hang out. What happens after see turtle season is over where they go. It's fascinating. Yeah. In fact, people can go on that website and follow certain turtles have names, and you can track. Cameras. They don't have cameras in the water anything to watch that today. That would be kind of cool. I attended an international symposium and somebody had done that. They put a camera gopro thing on on a sea. Turtle and we got to watch. What did what did did when an encounter another? It was fascinating. Well, you know, you think the Fisher out there going like, oh, they all set up waiting. He'll here they come again here. Come those silly turtles again at the same time. And just sitting there waiting for him. Again. It has worked for two hundred million. All right e- Vira item to play some scenarios. Just maybe this will reassure you little bit the hatchlings swim nonstop the first twenty four hours swim soul, the fastest swimmer survived. How far do they go? Sorry. You can feel free. See we told you about twenty or so nervous at the beginning. Now, we can't stop or dear. She's talking over us. So we can never stop. Roll here. Everything's gotta be turtle talk with you eve. Go ahead. About twenty miles off shore are the star Gasa seaweed floats. If you're boaters, you know, what I'm talking about the sea weed that floats on the surface of the of the water the ocean little hatchlings they that's their goal to reach that as quickly as possible. They hang out there for about a year. So it's called a lost year back like a gap year sort of. That's they live in there. They hide in there. There's food supply there the sarcasi- we does not stay in one place. It actually is in the currents. It gets catapulted down into the Caribbean and hatchlings will continue to grow and then thirty to fifty years later the loggerhead sea turtles survived. They will come back to Fort Myers beach to lay their nests thirty to fifty years. They have great sense of direction. Unlike someone sitting to you're right eve, they're imprinted on our beach print on. Whatever we don't know what the imprinting processes, but we do know we need not interfere with the printing process and part of it has to do with their scurrying across the sandwich. The water lemme ask what should someone do if they see a certain sea turtle nests that may not be already roped off? Or if they saw a sea turtle in trouble. They can contact turtle time immediately. However, I mean, we're out there as I said about half an hour before sunrise, and we Mark and each and every Ness, we we certainly we appreciate all is. No, if we miss something, it's my volunteers are really pretty Eli ally the best and yeah, turn ally. Does crow crow ever help out if there's a centrist. Yes. We take our injured or weakened or diseased sea turtles to crow a wonderful place for it is. We had them on. So how can people get in touch with you? And what what do you want to know? We're running out of time. I apologize. It flew by and could probably. Well, I might end of season. Have have people. They can go on the website. And there's a way they can contact me by Email. Do you think? You think dot org? Turtle time dot org. Everybody if thank you so much coming very much and come back and thank you for the temporary. Gonna get to put that on. All right now. I want to tell everybody about our good friends. Nikki and Ed at FM be designs and remodeling, Nikki and Ed or longtime beach residents and have been in the design and remodeling business for a very long time. If you need something if anything remodeled in your home, I want you to give Nikki and Etta call today, if you need a kitchen remodel the bathroom remodeled. 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And that you that you know, you're you're still getting after what happened. You know, Larry has been sick for some time. And we being in the political fanfare of of our lives. You know, we we kept it, quiet. But anyone who you know, had the opportunity to see Larry saw that he was he was ill. And so we've had a lot of well wishes and support and guidance and my family's incredible. They they were here really the last full month of Larry's life, helping me with everything. And we've been having a lot of great giggles. A lot of laughs a lot of memories. And of course, Fort Myers beach. This is what's his home and everybody here is as we all know pretty awesome. So for anybody that's new to the show that doesn't know what we're talking about. That's from out of town. Larry ker was the mayor of Fort Myers beach, a while back for five years was it five vice mayor his first year, and then mayor for five after that. And then he ran for county commission and was elected. And how many years was the county Commissioner six and a half years. Six years any passed away from cancer. Last Tuesday and the service for Larry was three days ago in Santa bell and over six hundred people showed up what was that like for you know, the county and a gentleman by the name of Randy Thibeault, who is the owner of land solutions, basically that those folks got together, and they put the entire program together and the facility Santa Belle harbor resort. That was always a very special place for Larry. And I we did a lot of stations there. Just this side of the causeway, and it was beautiful and everyone I asked to participate just hands down set. Absolutely. They wanted to be a part of it. So it was really a very flawless event and the outcome of of the folks that were there, I it was just really beautiful. And I when you you sit there, you don't get to really observe everything. But I saw the YouTube. Yes. Saturday with my family. We watched it again. And the, you know, the honor guard everything was just really amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Now, he this political stuff really started after you guys moved down here because he kind of had a career Hora. Larry likes to call these things sabbatical, and he's had many in his lifetime where he had a career then he took a sabbatical, then he changed careers, and he had a sabbatical. So. You know, as I as I wrote in the obituary, you know, he's he did a used car salesman. Then he went into. Oh, yeah. I worked for IBM. Yes. So after the car thing he made some money he decided to do the corporate thing. Yeah. And after a couple years, they're like, Larry, you don't even have a college degree. And he's like, yeah. That this job. So they they sent him up to northeastern got his MBA, and he did the corporate thing, and when it got to be kind of a negative environment. And he said, I'm going to go fishing and he bought a boat, and he moved down to Newport, Ritchie and. And started a charter business, but always wanted to be down in. I'll Morada I can agree with that. Yeah. So he was trucking through here and ended up at fishtail, marina met algebra at absolutely fell in love with Fort, Myer speech and said, nah, I'm gonna stay here. And he was so he was a captain and US dive master masters. Well, and so he did that for about twelve almost thirteen years that was a long sabbatical. Yeah. He it was hard. I mean, it was fun. We met a lot of great people. But you know, that's really truly a hard life. Those those guys out on the water. Sure. So what were the conversations like between you and Larry when the last few weeks? I mean, and believe me if I ask something that you don't want to answer, she'll say, something, you feel free to say something, but yeah, arm Larry, and I are. You know for lack of a better term. We're very practical people. And we thought we could beat it. You know, we Larry very very hard. But he always just wanted to make sure everyone was taken care of and up until really the last couple of weeks and a few people have said it he was still answering the phone. He was still taking calls. He was like, hey, I'll be there next week very optimistic that we could beat it. And. If we were sitting there, and he's like now, we can pay these medical bills, right? And I'm like, okay. You know? So he was just very practical till the end and so gracious to the staff on NCA, he loved those girls down there and those guys who who took care of us and. It was you know, we watch the masters together. And you know, he was so pleased when tiger won, you know, he had a big smile on his face. And so, you know, we got to spend a lot of one on one time. And it was great. We had mayor and the see the on last week, and she was talking about. She was telling a story, I think about him answering the phone while he was in the house, just get better. Yeah. No, he he was always there for everybody. And that's yes, she she said that she was had many nice things to say, it was obviously it had long history and spoke very very highly of him. So one of the things that you both started was I didn't really know this until recently was the putting pub crawl that. I say it, right? Crawling started that eight years ago. Why? So Larry was on council and the social seniors from the bay oaks group came to council and begged for coffee maker and a card table and a few other things and the council had no money. And I said this is just so sad a coffee. Yeah. Well, we we've been broke many years here on this beach. So so they were asking for these what I thought were incidentals and the and we just couldn't afford to do those things. So I said, well, we need to have a fundraiser and some dear friends of ours had told me about this and pub crawl that they had an Indiana. And I said, well, let's do that here and Larry said, it'll never work. It'll never work. I said come on. We're Fort Myers beach, and we raised about five thousand dollars that first year and the social seniors were were so grateful, and so then we basically chose a different entity each year. And a lot of most of the times it was for the kids. You know, the baseball the soccer team peyot again, I learned arts. So we thought it was really just great to keep the money here on the beach. It's grown every year. This last year notes, it's divided up. Is that right? Yeah. So last summer, I got together with Beverly Milliken and the and the group from the Women's Club and. You know with Larry getting a little sick. We had a we thought we were going to be campaigning again for another term for Larry. It's just got to be a little bit busy. And and we just thought that that would be a great venue to take it over and keep it going. So and they did a great job this January a great job. So. At some point Larry knew what was going on. What what was he saying? What was he thinking? What was he saying? Yeah. So, you know. November December timeframe he just wasn't feeling. Well, and we, you know, you run the gamut of tests, and he actually ended up being diagnosed with mono initially, and what we found out a little bit later was folks with mono at his age, it it can develop into infomer- very quickly very aggressively. So the team at Florida cancer centers Tomasz it, and we were able to get in and four days, which is pretty unheard of. And so the folks at Moffitt actually were the ones that diagnosed him, and they said, it's the most aggressive, but it's the most treatable. So we were pretty optimistic from the get-go and the chemo was going very well. But it's it's some of those nasty side effects of chemo. What they what it does to your body that. He couldn't beat. And so at what point until when he passed away last Tuesday was was there a certain point where oh man this is not turning around. And how do you how do you? What do you say to each other about getting clothes gear? I know that you can stop me at anytime. I apologize. Well, we've been in the public light for eight years. So. Were used to these questions. Hi, it's know without getting intimate into the details. Larry had a lot of stomach issues. And and basically was unable to to eat for for a long time and lost a lot of weight and. You know, they even put a feeding tube in him the Friday before the masters, and you know, they were talking that this would help and in a week. We were going to go to rehab, and we had a plan everything, you know. And I think Larry started getting very concerned in his mind that you know, what if this doesn't work, and then, you know, our chemo gots postponed, and he was worried that he was going to start the chemo over, and I think probably at that point. He he probably said, I'm not sure I want this anymore. The pain was incredible. You know? So I think it was kind of at that point that week that he decided and he was a NCA. Yeah. Went to. Yeah. Here's here's a dilemma for you. We called the head of emergency management systems here in Lee county, Ben Aronson, and we're like we're not doing. Well. We gotta go in the hospital and this was March twenty third. And he says I haven't got a bed for you. You got to go to Naples, and I said, well when a county Commissioner who basically overseas, the emergency man on that guy says go to Naples, so so we we went to Naples, and it it was really actually, you know, that group down there on four south. They do a great job. And it's it's a cancer floor and so very good to their specific needs. So it's really where we needed to be. And so he was down there whether any other agencies involved and the other groups, well, the politics care group and. You know, the the hope hospice health park that was you know, I I don't know how they do their jobs marries airy well things very well. Yeah. Yeah. So so so what do you want? Larry's legacy to be and people to think about when they think about all that he's done for this for this beach, and for the county and up, and you know, up until the last few days of him being with us drew Steele had as you know, has a radio show, and he and I spoke on Thursday. I guess he he did a little thing about Larry. And he said at the end of the day, Larry was a human being and not a politician and. You know, most everybody knew him as just that guy who always just wanted to give a little more never gave up. You know? Always said don't tell me. No, tell me how I can do it. Find a better way and. Any loved this speech, and he loved these people, and and the balance that, you know, our little town has and again, I put it in the obituary. It's really hard to run a town this small that is so big with jurists and. You know, what what Beverly Milligan did with the, you know, I hope I hope somebody picks that up because the businesses here they were very very important to Larry and. You know, we don't have a voice here in that. And and it's difficult on the small island. So I he always had the it was always a three two vote the five zero implementation plan. So even if everyone didn't agree that was the vote, and you need to stick behind it and you need to move forward. So are you going to stay involved with things and decompress at some point? Right. You know, Larry, and I had a had a plan. A we. I you know, we always thought. There that you don't want. I'm not going to share that just yet but come on. You're gonna share the plane told her not to you know. Yeah. Of course, I'll say involved. I've I missed the circuit. You know, all those folks are friends it's important to give back to the community. Always I own a business still here, the mayor, and the vice mayor Anita and Ray, and I had a little conversation Larry services, and I said, okay, you guys you you get some things taken care of down there, and I'll be moving back. So we'll see if that happens. So not to make light of anything that went on at the ceremony. But what really stuck out the most like was there? One thing that happened or one thing somebody spoke about or a person that got up there that you're the biggest highlight for you. You know, everybody was so great. And I heard so many comments afterwards stance. Stouter is an incredible speaker and also beach resident lives on the north end. And he's very powerful in his words. And you know, I say words are powerful. But the. Music. The you know, the fact that you know, Randy Mercer sang and Terry Stewart who was our town manager for a number of years here. I don't know if a lot of people really knew he had that powerful of voice, but and then, of course, our very own Joe list and Mary winner saying and so that was a little bit more upbeat towards the end. But I probably I would say Terry song of my way. I don't think I ever really listened to those words until that day, and they were very spot on. And it was really powerful everybody. Everybody loved that. Who would be the perfect person to be the next Commissioner in in that seat that was occupied? So well. Besides me now. Wow. Wouldn't that be awesome thinking about it? I think I think that Larry would not want to politician. I think he would want a servant of the people. And I think he would really want someone who really understands that. They are there for the people and not. Not for any fame. Not for you know. Any one person to just feel entitled? Well, that sounds like you spoken like a true politician that was part of the plan. And so, but would you consider that? You know, every really no question. I mean everytime. Larry, and I talked about an election or every two, you know, Larry ran for election here because he didn't like what was going on. And he might have not cared for how things were being done when he ran for county commission. Same thing. He felt there were things that were you know, there were entitlements that shouldn't have been there. So. He was never called a politician. Always just a guy that had an ear and listened more and more and more leery. Always listen, Larry always listened. And that is a very hard talent for people to have just to sit on the other side and make sure that he knew both sides of the story. And I I hope that the outcome is is someone who portrays that very strongly. All righty. I think that doors opened here. I'm not really sure that was yes or no. But that was a great. So I never say all right. Well, anything else that you wanna pass along to all year, great, friends and family and the community? And and the residents Lee county have at it just just thank you. Thanks for the ride. Larry, and I have had an amazing life here on Fort, Myer speech. You know, it would have been. Twenty four years this month that I met Larry and every aspect has just been an incredible. And I I look forward to another twenty four years of given back. Well, you're wonderful to come on and rock solid. And we appreciate your time. So soon admire yes, yes. Now, I'm gonna can't even talk. So I just want you to know. I said, no to wink. But I'll say yesterday. Thank you. Well, you want more of an audience you gonna come on this show? So now consider us if you decide run for considered waking the news with us. All right back. We're good do. Good up in very one-sided. That's right. Thank you so much. Everybody. Thank you so much for coming on. And she's got one of the biggest audience we ever had here. So. Thank you Paula. All right, folks. You are listening to the Florida podcast network. The voice of Florida. I think our next guest is down at the at the other table waiting for. I don't know if he's area. She comes the voice of Florida f- PIN is committed to promoting you while they promote Florida if you interested in elevating or Florida Brandon becoming part of the voice of Florida, head to Florida podcast network dot com slash partner. For more information to download a media kit and for more contact information to Florida podcast network. Local voices supporting local brands and businesses. Welcome Heidi to the show. And don't they? Yes. Yes. Thank you very much. You have a full table over there. Which was nice. Thank you for that. Now, Heidi how long have you been a beach resident eight years eight years, and you were recently appointed to the public safety committee. Right. Why why did you want? Why did you want to be involved in politics? Well, why does anybody wanna be involved in politics? Yeah. What is does that qualify? You guys watch any of the hearing of the bar hearing and the the guy with the Kentucky Fried Chicken thing. It just makes embarrassing at the public safety committee. Yeah. Right. Oh, please. Do you know, my husband, Mr. ADD's, a Mexican jumping bean? Yes. Once more other. Yes, squirrel. So turtle. You want me to leave? Conversation. So why did you decide that you wanted to be on the public safety committee because the lighting on our is awful. Yeah. I was running this morning down just down the street, and you have to have a light in. That's I mean, I on the beach. It makes sense on the on the street. Why aren't there? Streetlights? Good question. We have to comply with the turtles. Yeah. Even on this side of so far away from the beach. Turtles are charge of everything down here. Day rule rule, which is fine. So how could you overcome that? Yellow lighting. Yeah. Amber lighting that. She spoke up, right? But we can also they can also do lighting that is brighter during the busy season down here and lighter during turtle. Okay. So there's there's options. So where are we on that? It's a good question. We're waiting for their study to come back. I would imagine it's not inexpensive to new to adjust the lights you with the microphone up down. Where should it be as your stay on focus police? So the other topic I want to talk to you about is the bicycle safety. Now, that's a big part of the public safety. It is. Okay. You guys had started with signs that were so high in the palm trees are so high that nobody could see them then you painted not you paint. Did you? The. Painted the town painted three big white. It looked like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters three white of big circles that say you can't bike on here. They're writing right over them this morning. I don't know. If you saw my sign it says biker, oh, you see the video side bikers must dismount. I put it right in the middle of the sidewalk. And as they were riding by reading it they stayed on their bikes. Well, what is the solution to this? They're going to run over a child out if they run over a turtle that'll be all hell breaking loose on this beach. The squash internal something auditory buzzer cross in the crosswalk. They cross next to the cross hot. I can't. Yeah. So how do we resolve on? Really? I want to be involved in the bike thing. How do we fix the bike thing? They don't want you involved because your ideas are going to be too wages beer Wego being that my sign didn't work. I'm going to bring a Bullhorn next week that I'm just going to stay with the ball on Amazon. They're like twenty have one. Oh, yeah. Do I need a permit for that? Or can I just let it rip? That I don't know. I think you can probably just let it. All. Right. So you're working on the yellow lights, you're working on. You're not really working on the bike thing. I wasn't. I didn't hear like you were getting anywhere with that. Right. Well, we are. We're trying to get some things in order bike shops have to have lights and on their bicycles. Because if you rent a bike anybody actually should have lights on their bike whether it be day or night. I'm with you on that. I'm a biker, but requiring the stores to be responsible for that. I always thought that was a dumb. I. Goes up because you can't make a business responsible for numb nuts that comes in and rides a bike without a light. It's fair renting the bikes. Okay. You want to them that they need a light. But if they take the light off they shouldn't get in trouble for it. The business. You get in trouble. He gets the biker could say the guy at the shop never told me, right? It's the same thing with the waystation explosive icicle on the island, you sign a piece of paper that has all kinds of rules on it which series. To ride the bike being there that you have to have a light on your bicycle, right? So if you're coming here for two days, and you rent a bicycle, and, you know, in these rules that has to have a light on it. Right. Where are you going to go buy a light? I don't even know where do you bike store? Right. Well, I mean, you could truck up to WalMart. I've got nine bucks up there by Masan. I know you're writing your bike all the time. You're talking about people that come down to leisurely ride a bike. Are they going to seriously go buy a light firing? Bikes have lights on them. Yes. It's like having. I mean, you rent a car? It's got headlights. Exactly. I don't know. I don't know if I liked it what you into. Into social responsibility. I'm going to and then your over your car walked the sidewalks at ten o'clock at night can't say. Say we go. So now you need to stay up late one night and become down here. And you need to see all the people in dark clothing riding around other bicycle, and you can't see them because they don't have lights on. You're not supposed to ride your bike on the sidewalk. Anyway. Right. It's supposed to be. Is that right? So if I still the biker falls on the road in my car, and all of a sudden poof, there's a. I think we should just ban bikes from the beach. So. The other thing too is an correct me if I'm wrong, but the the rule is to give bikers three feet three zero rule. If you have a biker on southbound in a biker on northbound, and they happen to pass at the same time. And they each need three feet. You're running out of feet. Exactly. You're outta room for the road right hoping there's not a car coming the other way. All right. My four solution for the bikers in Times Square is electric fencing. I knew I knew we were. Hey, it's just gonna take one or two to flip over. And there you go something like that or taste the guy. Well, Dan, come down as the guy. Just all we could do your does. Yeah. My uncle. Yeah. What does he got a slingshot with? Oh, yeah. As little kids coming by the house off the school bus shot with marbles. My goodness. I hope they're not watching Utah dad's watching in Orlando. He asked the craziest question when the turtle eighty was on. I have no idea. What's going on? Years loves conservation. But go ahead dead thought he was gonna live like he thought he was gonna live like forever. He I don't he's got his plans taking supplements. So he thought that was going to, you know, make him lift the technology is gonna come. So what else is going on at the public safety committee? I'm glad you're sitting in between us stall. Yeah. Because I'm over there on a knock you out. So we got the bicycle safety. There was something else. Anything with the homeless on your committee Nelson? Now seems to have died down. All right. So Crosswalks Russ walks. We're gonna get more Crosswalks. We're working on items that are in the next section of the construction for where crosswalk should be. Trolley? Stop should be benches that kind of thing. Yeah. What about bike racks? We heard a year. That's you know, I think bike rack right here is a great idea. Why not no? Why would you put it in the middle one? I put it to ride their bikes through here. So put it common. Anyway, once we once the end, so they can park their bike. They're not nobody's parking nice looking road bike at the end where they can't see it's gotta be where they can see it. And they're always going to be at peace bring a lack. Well, that's true. But these bikes are like ten thousand dollars, they're not parking their bike at the end the Times Square. Why not just put it in front of that ugly dumpster park in their cars in the parking lot. It's a little different. Nobody's going to steal the car people. No one's going to steal the bike. If it's last sorry for you. Dear people care more about their just for me, and my mental health seriously one the one we hit them with the electric fence on the end, they're going to have to walk down here. Anyway. So. You know, put it right here. Front of the dumpster. And then blocks the dumpster right there. Look nice right there. What they're doing. Look look what they're doing. I so what they're doing. They're wrapping up tree while it's not wrong with it. Except from sure that, you know, it's not great for the palm trees chain people might. You gotta treat. We had a turtle person. We had a tree hugger walking around. And that's the end of it over there. So they're looking at putting bike racks at all the beach accesses that it would be at all of the okay, actually, there is one right down there. It's a small one. And then there's one on the other end of the bridge right on the other side of the bridge. I don't know. I was reading something in the minutes about that. Someone was saying that it minuted what the minutes from their committee that the never injured minutes on old saying higher Los boulevard. There's a rack that is unrecognizable. And I was like, I don't know they made it look like some kind of piece of art. No, I don't know. I don't know if that if the person was saying that it was old and it didn't in it needed to be replaced. But I was like how do you not recognize a I don't know how a bike rack is unrecognized recognize the bike rack like at sign. This is true. That's right. So can I get you beer or anything? You're right things. Do after new. Yeah. What do you go on your agenda today? I'm going to see how at the tattoo shop get me a link. Oh. I was given a little temporary tattoo from the turtle time ladies. So when I'm gonna do think she's getting anything temporary. No. I what's what's coming up. A whale's tail why what's the significance to that? I want. It's what I want. Okay. People get tattoos. I thought people get tattoos because there's some kind of meaning to sudden motion people just get what they like. Yeah. If you got a tattoo. What would you get? Oh boy. I don't know surely not your name. No. Yeah. No, close not your name portrait's. None of that. I was thinking maybe the beach talk radio logo that will look nice. That would be a hard. No. That would be a hard. Probably get our daughter's names going to be a rough day for her tomorrow. She's not even to. Yes. Four o'clock tomorrow morning. We head out. So. Yep. Yet, my turtle nest is going to be empty. So she's driving her in the hurts truck, which she bought pen rented, many, her whatever she she she rented one too big. Yeah. So everybody's worried that the furniture is going to be falling back onto the spot. Roped? I have that roped in it's going to be how to secure the boxes effectively. So that everything stays and then we now have to go through. And no one knew this. And neither did I till yesterday. Folks. If you rent a rental like moving truck, you have to stop it every way station. Yes. The regular big trucks. So I'm going to be driving. You can do it can do it. So I haven't question thing right around a question for listening or millions of listening people has anyone ever gone through a move and their house where the loading up truck, and there's not a fight in the family. It was stop arguing yesterday on you. Did it did it, but my digital self okay? Only bowl yesterday was Ruutel throat. All I think it was par for the course, it's it's hot it's stressful. You know, people don't want their stuff ruined you and I have done at ton of times. So she's driving the truck up and everyone's going up, and I'm staying on the beach tonight. So if you're going to be hanging out of the beach people we're going to be hanging out on the beach tonight. Well, this would be a good opportunity for him to come out evening and see what I'm talking to take a nap. I if I'm going to be up at ten o'clock. I don't need to take a nap, by the way, we're going to be broadcasting live with two special guests hosts being that the wife's not going be here. Tomorrow at the taste of the beach. Yeah, that's going to be at eleven o'clock. We're going to be live on. I think that's over sterile sincere up early. You're going to be there helping set up right? Let the dogs out. Bike riding help stadium. If you need somebody tonight. Fence tonight, five o'clock. All right. See? Oh. Five o'clock, I could make manage five o'clock ten o'clock bureau rough. So anything you want to say to your friends down at the hoosiers. Not come on us. You're usually you work Sunday day, not Sundays anymore. Oh, nine usually, Wednesdays and Fridays. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate your dedication to the public safety committee. Thank you look forward to working together with you on the bicycle safety. We're going to get this resolved. Okay. Last thing I do on. All right because it really bugs me. It may be the last thing you want to come up with a solution a week to the public safety committee who's on the committee with public comment. I wanna make sure nobody's mad at me from that committee. What does Roger go to that meeting? Sometimes. All right who else? No everybody on that committee. I love about safety fund speak at public comment, and give us your ideas. I don't know I go right to the mayor. I don't need to go to that. Connection to the top. Yeah. I don't even live down here. So anyway, you read your bike down here. I do I do and I have nine lights on my because I don't really extreme. I don't really care so much about running a person over. I don't wanna get hit by a car. It's just common sense to have a lights on our bicycle very good. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for coming on. And have a great time. What did you say you were doing today? Oh, you're gonna tattoo. Will you send me a picture of the tattoo posted on the Facebook page? Awesome half today and half in a couple of weeks. You want to give the tattoo parlor, they still call him that plug. Yes, Dow is located right under hoosiers and right next to this. That's right salty dog. We're doing some negotiations with Carla pine nine can't tell you anymore. It's just like to leak that out there. We need. Remember to as a teaser s. Painting class. No, I know over the sun addicting paint better. No. No. Go with my listening. We all just dropped our running round. Appropriateness? O'clock now all the kids are asleep. PM? All right. Thanks so much. Thank you so much big hand. Everybody for Heidi. Thank you. Let's see. I want you to put one down which is number. All they really put one down that is loud. Mike was that the one you were using? Well, we had a stellar audience today. Dear big audience. Of course, Paula was fabulous. And she was a ratings bonanza today. Everybody loves Paula. And she Larry Larry. Yes. You did a great job today. I I don't think I I wasn't holding it together. But I don't think I could. But that was fabulous. So tomorrow, you will not be here. Nope. Leaving at four AM four or four thirty four thirty. So that by the time Jillian gets up it'll be seven so and it's going to be a long ten hours. Plus, so one of the things that I did want to bring up with somebody. I don't know. Maybe I guess we could talk about it for thirty seconds. It's plastic straw. Band that the the state is thinking of abolishing like, right? They don't want like they don't want communities to make laws where you're not allowed to have straws. And so I love the people on the beach. I don't know where that is. I don't think they voted on it yet. But a lot of the businesses on the beach already doing the paper straws. So I wonder what would happen when they repeal that law like you're not allowed to make a law. That says you're doing easier making double negatives here. What? So there's a there's an ordinance on the beach now that you're not allowed to have plants trust because I guess it kills the turtles or the birds or bad for the environment getting the water. Yeah. And so the state is considering a law where you can't pass an ordinance that says people are not allowed to use plastic straws. So, but people could still business owner is what you wouldn't get trouble. If you brought a plastic try guess if it passes, you might get the stink. I know. I wonder we get the stink eye. But I wonder what would happen like who's in charge. Then is the state in charge. Or is the is the the beach and Char's that'd be interesting. So able to tell who what we want to thank the mayor for coming on last week. She spent forty five minutes us answered every question and Stella was fabulous. And the council meeting is tomorrow everybody. So you have to get involved in your local government, and if people tomorrow. Yeah, isn't it tomorrow nine o'clock? It's on the Facebook. I mean, the YouTube it's on YouTube. Pretty sure it's tomorrow. Oh, Samara Sunday my bad I met Monday. While you looking at me like that. You know, what I meant I meant Monday, it's Monday. You know what? I mean. It's. Monday at nine o'clock where all and there's an issue coming up Monday that we've been following closely. And I wanna see what happens like one of the residents on the beach was granted a permit and somebody in the neighborhood complained as building a dock somebody in the neighborhood complained. Well, the guy was told to stop building because of the complaint even though he had a permit. Now, I'm not sure if I have all the facts because I haven't been to the committee to the council meeting on this. But that's the way it was explained to me. We'll see what happens tomorrow that if the government grant you a permit. You shouldn't have to answer to somebody complained a give you one guess maybe three who the complaint is not doing Chris Patten? Yeah, lawsuit. Crazy, Chris Patten, the one that's stunted the growth of Margarita Ville. But that puppies coming. I'm sure that's it's going to be a temporary thing. It's going to get resolved. Oh here. We are. Again. You're going to be. All right. She's honored goody two shoes. Slant. People. Yes. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah. Wow. Did you see the video rendition of Margarita Ville that? I think it's on the wink website. It looks pretty awesome. It's been viewed like I dunno seven hundred million times, they have they did a rendition where you could see it from all different angles, and they have people. I don't know how they do that like people walking like robots. It's pretty right word video, whatever. All right. So what else you wanna talk about four? We say Sinaia because we don't want overdo it tomorrow is another show. Well, anything else? Topic? Now, not bringing anything table this. My brought the moving thing to the table that's been on my tomorrow's going to be Kyrie is. And I'm ready to roll. But I I am really really really sorry. I'm gonna miss taste of Fort Myer speech because I love food and specially seafood, so I hope that they will extend an invitation next year won't show. What you turn people down like that? You you reject them then. Yeah. Well down you came. That's a good way to end the show. All right about hoax. Thank you all for tuning in on Facebook and on YouTube it on speaker on iheart and all that stuff in our thanks again to FM be designs and remodeling. We love those guys, and we hope you spend some money with them because that would be super cool. And that was yeah. Now, it mean that we help them out. And if you need us to help you out, well, we're out of spots. No. We have one spot left. Just kidding. All right. We'll see you tomorrow, eleven o'clock. And if you need anything just call Kim or cell phone number is two dollars kidding vire about a guy.
"Live from news. Zeti eight seven. Houston i'm gail to lauder workers at some houston hospitals are about to get vaccines for covid. Nineteen and those facilities are getting ready for it. Mad harrah's latest from methodist hospital methodist. Ceo a mark boom said moments ago that he expects his hospital system to receive the first allotment of pfizer's vaccine tomorrow morning. That's five thousand eight hundred and fifty doses. Going to the main methodist hospital downtown. Boom says he expects a couple hundred people will be vaccinated at methodist tomorrow. By the end of the week he expects thirteen thousand six hundred fifty doses to arrive and the arrival of vaccine means some last minute preparations. Benita patel is vice president of pharmacy services at memorial hermann medical center. She tells npr they'll have to store the vaccine at temperatures colder than article. We had to purchase ultra-low freezers. We've had to increase our staff. We have to make sure every vile is appropriately taking care of meeting from start timing it when we literally told them out of the box to when we closed the box we'll have more on the texas medical centers vaccine plan coming up this afternoon on. All things considered a man is in the hospital after a houston. Police officers shot early this morning. And the ben todd parking garage police chief artas veto says the officer was acting in self defense. He says a man was shot. Had a an nike which us into cut himself and then charged at the officer rather than dropping the knife and stopping. The suspect started running right at the officer. At which point the officer discharged more than one around. We believe a two rounds striking the suspect us vado says a man had come to the hospital for psychological distress. Hp the officer who shot the man was working as a contract. Security guard ben top for the latest on the corona virus in greater. Houston you can go to our website. Houston public media dot. Org are high today. Should be around. Fifty one degrees. We'll see increasing cloudiness tonight. Low near forty two chance of rain tomorrow. High around fifty five right now. It is forty six degrees on the hugh h campus. I'm guilty water news. Eighty eight seven tonight on houston public media. Tv eight the legends of one thousand nine hundred eighty s and early nineteen sixties.
AP Headline News Oct 18 2018 11:00 (EDT)
"Hi, it's Jamie progressive's number one, number two employee leave a message at the, hey, Jamie, it's me Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name, your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now, get out there. Hit that high note and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry, it's pitchy progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. AP radio news. I'm Tim McGuire. Afghan security troops, opened fire on a meeting involving three top Kandahar provincial officials in general, Scott Miller, the commander of US and NATO troops in the country. Miller wasn't hurt, but the provincial governor, his security chief and police chief or killed two other US troops were wounded. Taliban spokesman says Miller was a target of the attack. The meeting was being held to discuss security for Saturday's parliamentary elections. A pro government newspaper in Turkey publishes still images from surveillance video, showing a man who previously traveled with Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman walking into the Saudi counselor NIST bowl before the disappearance of Jamal kashogi Photoshop by the Houston chronicle the Princess visited to the city. Last April showed that say, man in his entourage, a John Gambro reports from Dubai major. Of importance happened in the kingdom without the say. So of the crown prince prince, Muhammad or his father, king soman by having images of this gentleman who was in prince Mohammad entourage April when he went to Houston to see some homes affected by hurricane Harvey that really does bring this case directly to the doorstep of prince. Mohammad for the first time, President Trump is meeting with secretary state Mike Pompeo who met with Saudi and Turkey's officials earlier this week, the Washington Post publishes what is likely the final common column written by kashogi saga megani with detail. Shoghi warns Middle East governments have been given free rein to increasingly silence the media saying the Arab world is facing its own version of an iron curtain. The column was published more than two weeks after kashogi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. The newspapers global opinions. Senator says she received the column the day after he disappeared. The post held off publishing while hoping kashogi would return. But now says it accepts that won't happen saga megani at the White House. This is AP radio news, more heavy rain in the forecast or central Texas leading to fear of more flooding national weather center. Meteorologist vet Benita Benedetti's says adding one to four more inches could spell trouble already. So saturated from the previous rains. Any additional rain is going to possibly cause more issues, you know, especially with some of the vulnerable rivers that have already seen some sa- major flooding floodgates along the lower Colorado river been open since Monday last week, four people were swept away by a flash flood on the Leno river. Three of their bodies have been found. The search for the fourth has been suspended because of the rain, a nineteen year old. Pennsylvania man has been arrested in the Tuesday's, shooting death of a man or woman, and her ten year old daughter police have charged Stephen, precip. Yo with three counts of homicide investigators say they believe he used to babysit for the little girl and wasn't acquaintance. Of the mothers. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news. Hey, covert listeners. There are some things that shouldn't stay top secret. Here's some new Intel that I can safely share with you. We have officially launched emerge store and it's live on audio, boom right now. So if you love covert and you want to support it head over to audio, boom, dot com. Slash merch slash covert. You can buy all kinds of things with more being added all the time. Personally, I love the covert tote bags pretty slick. Is it to carry my night vision goggles, go check it out audio, boom, dot com. Slash merch slash, covert. Thanks for your support.
'Lives Are At Risk': Venezuelan Charities Struggle Under Shortages And Intimidation
"The main border crossing with Columbia has reopened for the first time in four months. That's made it easier for Venezuelans to get food and medicine. The country is suffering, what international aid groups. Call a humanitarian disaster one that President Nicolas Maduro refuses to recognize. So as John Otis reports local charities, are the ones trying to help the needy. At this soup kitchen in the western city of Mata, Cavo Venezuelans, give thanks before lining up for lunch. ACC. It's meager fare. Each person receives a bottle of milk and a few spoonfuls of rice mixed with eggs and vegetables run by the Catholic church this program used to provide full meals, but amid Venezuela's economic meltdown, many of the businesses that used to donate food have closed, says, volunteer, Sarah Cooper tanking us of potatoes, thank Hilo skyrockets. Sometimes we don't finish it. We don't complete it. I ended enough. Right. Right. So we'll have to work with what we have the soup kitchen is small yet, it's come under scrutiny from them, doodo, government Venezuela's political opposition, which is trying to force doodo from power is constantly talking about the need for international aid. As a result, aid workers, say their efforts are often misconstrued by officials as anti-government activism by they'll said, then nor to my son. Benita perito, kisses, again, as he ended up Dida in fact, Franklin Mantia, a cook at the soup kitchen, says, bureaucrats recently tried to shut it down claiming unsanitary conditions critic say, Madore refuses to declare a humanitarian emergency because it would signal that his government has failed, but his position makes it legally impossible for international agencies to bring in the vast amount of aid that the country needs. India, their roots, genital Kia on in a recent speech doodo insisted that allies like China, India, Russia and Turkey are supplying hundreds of tons of aid, but aid workers in Cabo claim. They haven't seen any of it, and that the burden on local charities is growing heavier. You got to bid Saudi among them is the Samaritan foundation distributes baby formula, antibiotics supplies in cable. It's director Gustavo Rincon shows me around his office, which thanks to nationwide. Blackouts has no electricity machine, you'll see quit, but due to a lack of spare parts Rincon says, none of the foundations five vehicles are working, even if they were gas shortages often, prevent him from delivering supplies. He hasn't been to a nearby leper colony for five months. So I agree to take him in my taxi. We stopped by a grocery to load up on eggs, plantains chicken for the patients. Arrival Rincon receives a hero's. Welcome food donations are so rare that the patients who are missing fingers ears. And in one case both legs often share it with malnourished nurses. Thieves recently, stole the electric cables, leaving the facility without air conditioning in the one hundred degree heat. Some of the beds have been moved outdoors to take advantage of a slight breeze elect. They don't get Red Cross help or United Nations or world known program. No, any organised public, ROY. International organization, taking Kennedy built-in. That's why despite his own difficulties ring cone promises. He'll be back as he leaves. One of the patient says may God bless you for NPR news. I'm John, Otis in Mexico, Venezuela. This message comes from NPR sponsor smile direct club. Are you a smile Hyder smile? Direct clubs straighten your teeth with invisible liners sent directly to you get one hundred dollars off its smile. Direct club dot com slash podcast. Offer code NPR one hundred.
And So We Begin
"Welcome back everyone and this is a shanty golf. The host of ram rolls guy into politics in walk two seasons six. We are excited to have you back with us it. We are also very excited about today's special guests. Are i repeat gas. Alexis mabille johnson. Who is the ceo of planned parenthood of america. And for those of you. Who don't know pain. Parenthood is a nonprofit organization that provides sexual health care in the united states. And will alexis. How are you. Oh i'm wonderful. How are you sean t. It's so good to see you again is so good to see you and i love the fact that you are. I repeat guests. Or what am i. Favor people. I know i was super ecstatic with they. Do the permanency yell a planned parenthood because vine while was there any other choice. I obviously can't tweet that. That's what a deke. So i just wanted to tweet my congratulations congratulations. Thank you thank you. I i didn't think it was gonna feel as different to become permanent. You know like when when somebody actually puts a ring on it When you live together for a long time and then you're like a that. I felt so honored and humbled that that organization in the boards would put that kind of faith in me to carry us. Forward won't the perfect well-deserved at twenty twenty was quite the year as we know in twenty twenty one is already giving twenty twenty a run for its money so i do have to get your thoughts on insurrection at the capitol because the fact is it was it is direction in way you and i had our first chat just our first girlfriend have i leading organizations chad. We talked a lot about what going on in the country particularly racially in how the trump administration was feeling a lot of the. How are you feeling about everything that has happened. It was devastating. And when you actually think about the the day of january six you know for most of us particularly i knew you were as i was like up all night watching the returns for the georgia senate race in trying to just hold onto that. Lash shred of hope. You know as you said. Twenty twenty just tried its level. Best to get rid of. And and like reverend warnock said Thirty five joy comes in the morning right. Joy will come in the morning and it did and it did by midday to watch that. Just full throated unapologetic demonstration of white supremacy and anti democracy and the weaponization of racial anxiety. Over and over again. And you you think about just like when they said win at all costs this is what they met right that they were really winning willing to destroy democracy to destroy the integrity in the belief in that just really underscores everything that america is right. We are at beth. You know we are. We are a nation state because we are imagine community right. We have to bind ourselves together with these notions and while so many particularly black women have been on the front line trying to claw our way into democracy right like foot in the door that we are not gonna let this door democracy close on as they were they're trying to destroy it and so it it. Just it's it's a wound you know to know after the november election. That half of america's still supports misogynistic patriarch girl racist. Yo pick at the same time that they are so willing to to fight for that last gas that it is just terrifying. I agree with you in. I was talking to someone in their life. Where do you think this came from. I said this is really been building since two thousand eight when we had the audacity to elect a black man ask president. We saw the rise of the tea party we saw the rise of birtherism in twenty sixteen was very much about key our country for the people that we think it is for. I wasn't surprised. How close the election. Was i tell people all the time on this thing is virtual retied. I felt it my heart. We could ican how you know a only did. I'm very excited about georgia. I was telling people. I have lots of friends who are down there running things and they are extremely talented in good so i think that they can eat this out by it stays in my mind. That seventy million of our fellow americans were a hundred percent by with the direction that the country was going in bites. We have a new president. We have a new vice presidents. we had a brown role in the white house. What are your feelings about. The biden harris administration. I mean first of all just how exciting it is like you. You just don't really know how. How much representation matters until you you see it in all of its pomp and circumstance and you know the pride that you feel your heart swelling. Just looking at by president khama harrah's take stage a brown girl. You know we've seen we've seen president biden onstage before but vice president harris we we haven't and so that's just a moment to like exhale and pies and just revel in it and you know the excitement around. It isn't just about the representation from a symbolic standpoint but substantively. We just know she is going to bring it right. We know that what we've already seen from this administration that the ways in which they've configured the cabinet that the white house personality your friend like some of your friends are friends together so excited for our friends going to be running the truth right. I mean none of it is siloed right like it is even though there is a focus on racial equity it also embedded in the domestic policy council right. Even though there's a focus on gender we see embodied throughout you know every cabinet and so just the notion of like you know how to bring to bear not just intersectional framework but actually turn that intersection. -ality into policy making is just so exciting. I mean it's going to be wonderful berry excited about dabhol in who will be our first indigenous cabinet secretary. I mean perfect person About near handan excited about congresswoman marsha. Five benita need. Just i know. Sarah i feel like a little lake like i feel like parliament. I love it. I'd just the fact that we know these are great people. They're wonderful public servants. I know i'm just going to be sleepy so much better at. I know we are the people who are going to be running our country and they have a huge task ahead of them absolutely. I mean we know we got four years a lot to be done in. It's going to be heavy left. And i wanted to switch to an amazing article that you wrote. I saw it on your twitter account and share juror. Twenty twenty one resolutions. And i would go through and talk about some of the things that relate to your work at planned. Parenthood by there are also They are that were really personal in verbiage reminded me. This is why elec says is. This wasn't just talking about your work by your also speaking to women to people in general all about taking it easy on ourselves because we've got a lot over the past four years. Were still in the middle of pierre debate. We just saw another attack. Democracy fueled by racism. There's a why but starting with your resolutions you release said. We do have to hold a biden harris administration accountable on sexual reproductive house. So what are some of the immediate planned. Parenthood would like to see from the administration. I think the notion of having a very strong outside game complement the very strong inside leadership. I think first and foremost is is something really that we should. We should highlight the work that planned. Parenthood is done in concert with ninety organizations in the reproductive health rights injustice to come together around a blueprint agenda so that we will be ready on day one as long as they were ready on day. One i think is really is really important in the your point about the last four years having been so horrible including the blast couple of weeks on the supreme court ruling on on rams is that we do have to undo the harm from the last four years like the that is a lot of work but what. The biden harris administration has shown us throughout their campaigning. In conversation is that they are willing to move right. They are willing to learn. Move and understand how these policies actually impact real people and connect the dots to the lived experience. So we're we're looking to make sure that this administration's commitment to sexual and reproductive health care is demonstrated by eliminating the global gag role. Right we should not be telling other countries you know who who who need aid. You know what their policies should be around around abortion. We wanna start the process of rolling back. The harmful policies like the title ten domestic gag role right. We need to make it easier to expand access to family planning. And i think we have an opportunity not only to restore tidal ten. But also bills it. Back better Modernize it all of the ways in which you know the biden harris Administration is is thinking and you know we do need to ask the incoming administration at current administration to to keep medication abortion easier to access particularly during the pandemic and to reduce those restrictions. And so you know those are just some of the beginning conversations that that we have had but you know we are. We are committing to work with this administration about long-term fight to also make sure. I guess that we are repealing. The haydn and helms amendment toward eliminating them altogether which they can just in the ways in which they write their budgets and so it's exciting to have congressional majorities in in both houses and the white house. I have had started conversations around why it's so important to repeal discriminatory laws in bands. And why it is so important for us to to show up in a full throated way in support of sexual reproductive healthcare absolutely and also an article. He just mentioned the hyde amendment. You called for the repeal the hyde amendment and king you tolerant listeners. Just exactly why. This is bad for women of color. Because will we hear. It talked about a lot particularly by congresswoman of color. They say this is so harmful for women of color so he elaborate a little bit on that for the listeners. Have courts looked at the hyde amendment restricts people who depend on medicaid essentially or federal programs for healthcare from getting access or using their health insurance to access safe legal abortion. So we're talking about people's low in cubs were talking about largely women of color young people transgender nonbinary people you know a policy that disproportionately impacts in that way is just racist right. It's beyond dettori. it's actually raises. I think when you see. I would love like your listeners. To look up the amazing conversation on in speech that congresswoman ileana presley in other brown girl gave tying together the the twin pandemic of twenty twenty two twenty twenty one rate of the of covid and the race recognizing the disproportionate impact on people of color in. So i just think that finding ways to eliminate high ensuring that people really understand with the state young people get it by the. Almost two-thirds of young people support medicaid coverage for abortion reno like the majority of americans actually support access to abortion in every state. There's no state not even georgia that don't believe it should be the law of the land so we have to make sure our policies expand that that access and repealing hyder eliminating hide actually would be one of those ways to do that and talking about georgia in the states. A little bit more about the word planned. Parenthood is going to be doing to make sure that women have air freedom around healthcare sexual reproduction in the states. Because just like the supreme court we are seeing so many states just a little bit here a little bit. They're just tap tap tapping away at trying to just take us back. Yes now absolutely. I mean look i think As excited as i am around our white house in our current congress. You know it is. It is still alarming that that we have a essentially a super majority on the other side of the supreme court as well as the lasting legacy of the mcconnell administration pushing through all of those conservative judges. And so you know the work that we need to do to while row is certainly under threat. There are eighteen cases that are literally one step away from the supreme court that will chip or harden those chips permanently in in that law in every state that has been hostile to access to sexual reproductive healthcare. There are people organizing around bands to continue to further erode freedom. And so what that means right if roe falls or if they you know lock into something that that just as bad makes row in name only across the board is that there will be some states. Where if you make a decision to terminate your pregnancy you will be able to do so without restriction and supported to do that and other states. You'll be forced into a pregnancy. If you are not able to get the resources to travel out that's something like twenty five million women of reproductive age who were living in steeds that Be hostile and i think that fat is what we know won't happen is people won't stop trying to seek access to abortion right so like putting that undue burden we've seen it obviously during covid people travelling through the pandemic just to get access to basic healthcare and so we do have to do a lot of work to build an infrastructure to make sure that we're supporting people with our partners who are seeking access twenty five million. Wow that is a huge number. Don't like sitting in a waiting room right now planned. Parenthood has got you covered as a leader in using new technologies to provide high quality healthcare. It ways that the airline through here and hoods virtual placements you can get high quality affordable care your way by phone or video. Trust supervisors will listen. Give information and support you in all of your health-care decisions planned parenthood. Telehealth appointments are high quality affordable in private just like in person visits whether you need help with birth control a prescription refill our other sexual reproductive care services. Skip the waiting room and get the care you need when you need it planned. Parenthood takes distress at at healthcare. And it's ready. We are check out the imperative dot com slash telehealth to learn more book a virtual appointment. That's planned parenthood dot com slash telehealth. One of the things she also talks about in the article irresolution zanu spoke to me as a woman of color. Also leading an organization is century. Recycle equity you know at emerge data were doing releasing torri equity injustice and the catalyst for the roles guide to go from the blog for mad to the podcast format was we did a series called the brown rural the room where we talked about the struggles of women of color. Impolitic sometimes be the only woman of color in your department in your organization and the reality that organizations have to face it as well that no one's really immune to this so tell us a little bit more about how what you're going to be doing planned. Parenthood around racial equity. Yes absolutely and it is. As by brown. Girls who led traditionally your formerly white led organizations. It is a very unique as face to be sitting in. I think that the work that we're doing is we've established a federation vibe commitment to addressing racial equity in our own ranks and you know part of that has been our move start restarting with a benchmarking survey around belonging inequity to make sure that we understand what we're actually solving for. You know we. We have a lot of really important information from our staff from our patients that are telling us where where we are getting it wrong. We need to get get under under are the really important stories that we know are real. You know and we know our our troops. We've lived them. In experiences that them ourselves we need to understand kind of deeper a had a connect dots in the right interventions for us would would are the gaps in what our knowledge is power. We growing leaders. How are we you know ensuring that we are reducing our blind spots in our racial anxiety. All of the things that we should just be doing from a technical standpoint but really. it's it's a cultural shift right for me. It's about bringing bringing equity in the work that we're doing in equities as a broad framework into the office of the president. So that every decision that radiates out from from my office into all of my leadership team has to has to match up to that equity framework and help us understand. Where are the trade offs as we build different work and making sure that we're making those right choices and then of course. It's accountability right. It's like making sure that you know we were also measuring ourselves. Which is why. I started with benchmark because i think that actually helps us you know build out the right set of metrics to understand what the underlying drivers are around the inequity that we're seeing right now. So you know. Marie search head so like i had to put together like the plan that fell authentic to me that i also grounded in literally how our brains bodies process race gender identity differences in so so that's kind of our leading but the general piece of it is. There's this moment right now. And i hope you feel it too where i actually just feel quite free. You know freedom iq now because we do have to imagine it a little bit for ourselves because we never really been free but a moment where where the country world is being forced to grapple with racial equity and to be sitting in the seat knowing that yes now is not the time to be incremental. Now is the time to be bold and transformative and you know do what we need to do. I agree with you so last year. We did our equity injustice survey across our network. We did a presentation to everyone and we were like look. These are all the things that we have to work on in. It's just not a staff saying it also has to be who are sitting on our board who sitting on our cabinets are we really making this an inclusive experience for the women who are coming through our program. You know we know. Running for office is different for women is off so different for women at callers. If lgbtq women went disabilities making sure that we're taking in that broad spectrum in especially for me to be the first black woman leading the organization. How can i not yet not do this work. Especially when i want more background women of color in. I have to make sure they're also getting the experience that i would have wanted to had. So how am i making this good for them as well so i can't wait for us to compare notes and see how we can continue to make our organizations better absolutely and something else that she wrote. That was really per so. Is you stop apologizing when your parenting and when your partner in for me. I love that. Unlike lemme copy paste Bars because we'll be on zoos woundsand now kids are running around. Just being kids in there. Always apologizing might stop. I say all the time. Please do not apologize. You're trying to work your home schooling. The kids are hungry. We are all literally worke where we live. So why was it important for you to say that. Not only to yourself but to let the other moms light people with partners now. Hey this is our life right now. We need stop apologizing for really just handle yet making it through. Yes you're essentially for being a mom or a partner or what you know for just being you and unprofessional. As if like sitting in your at your at your desk zooming you know full. Time is actually the definition of professionalism. Anyway like we're we're all making away out of away ito. It particularly felt important for me to say because the way the way communities get marginalized it starts with ideas about how it starts about ideas around hierarchy right like Revalue men for this women for this. We value you know You know communities of color differently than we value white communities like all of the ways in which the ideas have changed around equality. I think we all kind of feel like of course. Of course gender-equal. Course you know races are equal like those things are kind of basic and built in we are working in organizations that are fighting for policies to make those ideals real every day right and so we understand that. There's still work to do to make that ideals real but long after you the ideology address the the kind of institutions. The laws the practices that help us. There's a whole set of informal practices that keep that inequality alive that inequity alive and every time we apologize for saying you know. Oh my god. My kid needs to eat or got. I need to go to the bathroom or please email. I can't turn on my zoom today. Do my hair. We are replicating. You know practices that. Are you know that ladder up to inequality in our values and so we can't have one that values and then then acknowledge these. These informal practices as as standard on they. Just don't go together. So i'm trying to get us to be more coherent in focus on really addressing. Those who i love that. I love everything that you just said in. This has was ban once again. Been a great interview with you. Alexis so i do want to ask you the first four years of the biden harris administration are dying. What is your hope for what they have been able to accomplish to make the world better around the work that planned parenthood does. Oh my gosh. She were asking me. I just said i was free. And now you're asking me of all four years from now cove is over. yes yes amen. We're claiming that claiming that that people are actually back outliving in healthy and productive. Lives not worried about being in a pandemic but also understanding the impact of it and that we have restored kind of expanded access to health. Care hide has gone as i mentioned so people have have access And that you know we have. You know the support the recognition that you know That sexual reproductive healthcare is healthcare that abortion is health. Care and that it is funded at levels appropriate inconsistent with How people need to access that care and that we we are doing that work That it is it is done through a really strong equity lens and not just racial equity of that's obviously really important to To us as brown girls but there is a lot of geographic equity inequity that we need to address there. We need to have better rural strategies for care You know and. I really hope that what we see in this current administration cabinet to have deb. Hal and and you know a bizarre. Have you ever. Sarah like working together to talk about like what needs to happen in what needs to happen over here and how raise equity was through it with our sister susan rice. I think all of that is what i hope to see. And then if i can just put one other possibility onto the onto the table. Is that together after this. After this last horrible for years of weaponising racial end gender anxiety that we have worked to create the conditions for war. our our sister or some other sister who is able to Run and be seen as a viable candidate for holding the highest office in our land and in the world so the next four years is tilling the soil and creating the conditions in making sure that we are doing what we need to do to secure freedom. Thank you alexis for joining us. Thank you for everything that you do. Thank you to everyone for listening. If you like this episode please rate a review us wherever you listen to your podcast and in between jobs you can find the ram rolls guy to politics at. Www dot the bg dot com and on facebook twitter and instagram at the bg guide and brown boroughs guy to politics. Podcast is produced by me and network. He buy them at wonder media network dot com until next time round girls.
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Full Episode: Friday, February 12, 2021
"He was the closest thing to prince. Charming is the world's most famous surgeon that towards clooney type of fields sexy. It was this very intricate weaving of this web of lies a nightmare. This is a man who was people's lives in his hands. A highly regarded doctor and surgeon. People could be dying. Come padded his impressive resume. This guy had falsified his qualifications his work experience. Well that's interesting for a guy who's going and cutting people's necks and chests open. Not like somebody was standing there. Raven a red flag saying caution caution. This man's of steak very first thing he told me was andrea. Bocelli was going to be singing in the church. And then he added john legend then it was also john. Guest list just kept growing and growing russell. Crowe backup icing on. The cake was that the pope is gonna marry them. It's like are you kidding me. I understand why people really you bought. The pope was marrying you. Come on just trying to wrap our brains around everything how we could all be so full. And those medical breakthroughs suffering was. I was this guy being able to do these operations every stone. We turned over. We found a new lie. The doctor should be jailed for what he did. Ask glenda's medical deception become medical crime. If we don't do anything. I love the people who died. She was on this mission to wanted to see him and look him in the eye and ask him like what the hell. How dare you who the hell does that. Oh benita was Television producer in new york city. She loved her job. She was at the top of her game. The two questions about just get back to me about those. This girl works a zillion hours and never tires and was so committed to her work but so committed to her friends and so committed to her daughter. She's always been making sure that everything she does has a plus on it. She is always done on very glamorous. But you don't always expect someone to look like that to be so warm and loving giving she just is the most loyal non judgmental version. You probably will ever meet. Benita was assigned to work on a story about a brilliant headline making surgeon dr paulo macarena. He was performing groundbreaking synthetic organ transplants and develop a technique to replace a patient's trachea with a plastic tubes seated with the patient's own stem cells. Good girl we were following story of a toddler from korea was being brought to the. Us she was born with no trachea all so she had been hospitalized from day she was born. She was going to be the youngest person. Ever to get one of these artificial trachea. It was an exciting story in a whole with the story was it. This little girl was going to be kind of a miracle child reading about him. You really got the sense from him that he wanted to help people that he wanted to help humanity redoing a report that a doctor is found a way to grow a new cycle hailing a surgical. I could offer. New studies are ongoing. This could he had this nickname that was a rockstar surgeon and super surgeon. And i think that came from the fact that he was willing to take risks was a cowboy he was basically a one that sean trivia successful he was very much after internationally. Seen as someone who's going to revolutionize field of organ transplantation. It seemed as he was able to tailor me that you could perhaps even mass produced in the future. People were thinking that with his technique. You could do synthetic hearts in synthetic libbers synthetic far guy even parts of the brain. He held a post at the karolinska institute in sweden. That's where they hand out the nobel prize in medicine. They thought him as someone who went to nobel prize one day. I think he was going to be a part of my life now absolutely not. We met the afternoon before we were going to sit down and interview him and it was. It was the weirdest thing he comes around the corner. He looks right at me and in that second something happened. I mean i got the sort of chill through my body likes. There was some sort of an electric spark. And i remember in my head thinking what the hell was that. I'm saying to myself okay. Whatever this is like don't about it. The thing that was always a question mark to me was my personal life. You had recently been divorced from my husband. Twelve years whose father of our daughter that was a messy divorce and it was difficult. I had a rebound relationship with a lovely person. I wasn't ready to be in another serious relationship. That was just kind of putting one foot in front of the other and getting through. I've always been a workaholic. So that's always been my refuge and now with bananas upcoming story about dr macarena. She began spending a lot of time away from home in illinois with surgery was going to take place and on top of everything. There's added pressure. When paolo and benita i met her ex husband had brain cancer wrong and it was heart wrenching. The puck was awful and it was really difficult. I knew i was going to have to tell my daughter that her dad was dying. I couldn't even fathom how to do. It was only nine. It was very strenuous because she's trying to hold it together for her job. She's trying to hold it together for her daughter. She's trying to hold it together for everybody and everything else except herself hollow really good listener. He and i started going to dinners and pouring my heart out to him about all this stuff. He gave me really sage. Solid kind advice have amazing friends with illinois. They weren't there. And i needed someone to lean on. He was really comforting And really helpful. During that period at a really critical time was very close to the end with my ex husband and he was in hospice and he was already in a coma at that point I couldn't physically say goodbye. The him and paulo kept saying to me. You need to find a way to say goodbye to him however you do it in their own way. It's the only way you're going to be able to get through this and so I i said. I know what i wanna do and hollow said okay. I'll help you first of heart. Ice were my ex husband's favorite flower. We had them at our wedding so he drove me on his motorcycle and we went to a flower shop and we took a long motorcycle ride along the illinois river until i found a place that i wanted to throw them in the water and there was something about that day the fact that he had taken the time that he had driven me all the way out there and he just sat there waiting patiently while i did what i had to do. And he hugged me He could see the pain. My face and i didn't resist and wasn't just a quick hug. There was something really sort of intense about it. I remember thinking you know. I'm falling for this guy. That was the moment. I knew that day marked the beginning of our romantic involvement but it was really complicated palo explained that he had been separated for years but the divorce still wasn't legal and benita. She was still a reporter doing a documentary on him. It was really difficult. Because i was falling in love with somebody. That was doing a story about what you're not supposed to do. If you get involved with somebody your objectivity could be compromised and agonized about and i was very surprised to see her so focused on this guy and so i figured he must be special to kind of take that risk. Did i compromise my journalistic integrity. Yeah i really didn't know what to do. And that's when paolo really up the stakes. He told her he was whisking her away with him on a long weekend in italy against her better judgment she agreed. He was taking me to venice the whole trip so romantic. I mean just over the top romance everything. The food the flowers the dinners. He brenton private boat and day. Trips to be violent that was truly being swept up. It was almost like the scene from any romantic love story that you could imagine. He did took. This started out as a beautiful love. Story turned into a nightmare at some point. This thing had to staying informed has never been warned court. The information is coming faster than ever. So how do you make sense of. It'll start here. Hey i'm brad milkey. Abc news in every weekday. We will break down the latest headlines in just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible always solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app I never had this fantasy of prince charming coming in prince. Charming and women are not cinderella. None of us. He was the closest thing we ever could imagine to prince. Charming paolo came into bonito's life and he was gorgeous. Had amazing career spend money on her so many on the fewer. It was a constant shower flowers and gifts. He would leave notes and lipstick on my bathroom mirror. Gave me a lot of really beautiful jewelry. He seemed to have unlimited money to drive ten thousand on something for him. He would spend money like he would not even believe the food. The roses on the badge like hard are and then there were the trips long weekends around the world. Royal happens here for it. We went to london and we went to mexico russia. Sweden biko bahamas twice greece. Her life suddenly went from very down to earth to this kind of glamorous almost celebrity lifestyle that i was like what is happening to benin hollow kind of gives you that george clooney type of feel that salt pepper gray sexy kind of guy. He's smoke cisco were seven languages. He reminds me of that beer commercial. The one with the most interesting man in the world the most interesting man in the world meeting for the first time. Frankly was a bit intimidated. I thought here's this extremely well. Educated person world renowned surgeon. What am i going to say to this guy. And he was just incredibly down to earth. It was really easy to talk to him. These little video messages to make just wanted to send you a few good morning words of cases to my princess i mean. He was even concerned about her friends. I had breast cancer and called me about what to do with my surgeries. Benita had a spark odor. Are she was blessing a lot. She had finally met the person that she was supposed to be. When cannot stop thinking that you especially proud that your mind. I love you so very much. This is not somebody who's just telling her he loved her. He was doing it with actions. When i first met follow The one thing he didn't do was dance. And i love to dance but then he surprised me. We were in this little bar in mexico and all of a sudden salsa music comes on he takes my hand dance with me and i said excuse me. He had been taking private salsa lessons in russia. Heat for months took just to learn how to salsa dancing benita how strong support system friends and family members. Who would look after her daughter when she spent time with palo. Oh i was very hesitant to introduce you to my daughter. I wanted to absolute assurance that this is someone that wanted to keep in my life. She thought he was wearing her was important to him. As way his princesses. It was like living a fairytale. Took us to the bahamas and with her red believe. That's the first time since her dad diet. I'd seen her seem happy. And i distinctly remember thinking if anyone is going to step in to try and fill her dad's shoes. He's a great guy to do that. This is our first christmas together. I love christmas remember. He has me gift. I think anything of it. Who i opened the skift and it's a ring and i looked at him like visits what i think it is. And he's like yeah. I actually couldn't talk for a while. It was gorgeous ring. And i was so stunned. That's how he proposed sweden and that ring. He slipped and admitted that he had spent one hundred thousand dollars on it but they still had a lot to workout like hallows divorce. They had to figure out where to live. How would they balance their careers. I wanted him to stick around for new years and he said he couldn't. He said i have a really important surgery. I have some really high-power clients like dignitaries of world leaders and what that's when he told me that there was this kind of destin network who are on call basically for these people. He told me that it included the clintons and that he and bill were tight that they were good friends and that they've played tennis together he adds the obamas to this. Mix one word to solve israel as part of this the ip network. He had become one of pope francis. Private consulting firms sounds crazy. I know but if anybody sort of fit that bill hall of somebody has to do that job so why not him. As much time is spent in new york. It's still was a long distance relationship. He was holding positions in london. Russia sweden lots of hospitals are inviting him in to say look. We've got a patient here. Either windpipe damaged. So he's this kind of star expert. The people bring in. He often had to cancel things at the last minute because he had an emergency surgery he was gone for a few days or a week and my sister might not be able to get a hold of them. Because you saying. I'm going to be doing surgery on my. I'll be reachable. I mean it all seemed to make sense. It was frustrating. But it's a hazard of dating super surgeon. So happy just can believe in three days again and book my flight. We knew we wanted to get married in. Italy wouldn't have that much time and he said to me. Look let me take over all the planning the wedding. It was really hesitant to do that. No offense but what man what man how to plan a wedding when baena told me that paolo was going to do everything like damn you deserve it. It's your time to be able to show up and enjoy the party. Hollow is catholic. Absolutely adamant that he wanted it to be a catholic wedding. And i said look aside from the fact that i'm not catholic. The catholic church is not going to marry two divorcees. Maybe we should ditch this whole catholic wedding thing out. No i'm gonna go talk to my contact central now. I knew he had supposedly done work at the vatican man when he landed in rome. Are you meeting with. And he said if you're not gonna believe me and said i'm meeting with the pope goes to this meeting and i'm waiting and i'm waiting and i'm waiting and he finally calls me and he's like you need to sit down and i'm like what's going on palo and benita were starting to plan their wedding. But they couldn't find a priest willing to marry two divorcees in the catholic church to palo told her he'd pay a visit to the vatican to use his personal connection to the moon to see what he can do finally calls me and they took me enemy francis then he says he said he can help us and then he said by and as long silence on the front of them why said he offered to marius himself and i hope doesn't marry people serious. He wants to marry us. Because we're both divorcees thinks. We're the perfect poster. Couple push forward his ford thinking agenda to change the church. And i got so mad. I said well. I'm gonna talk to you later and i hung up or even thought it was joke. Who are you kidding. that's nuts. You're not even catholic last. I checked. I don't think divorce people get remarried in the church. I don't know. I got on the computer and google like disappoint mary. People but the thing is what popped up was pope had just married a whole bunch of couples at the vatican. Pope francis has varied twenty new couples. Look to that okay. Maybe it's not lately out of the question. i'm not joking. We're getting married by the pope from that moment on. I felt like my head was spinning and it didn't stop. The dress that i picked was kind of sexy. And i thought i can't wear that in front of the you know so i go back to the dress shop but i i said is there any way you can put me in touch with the dresses on her. I got a call and was of ours that we work with and said she had a really high profile clients. Tacoma friends with me and my daughter and video taping the meeting on fought documents. Stop i knew that it was imperative that it be kept quiet so i had everybody sign a nondisclosure agreement. Basically you sign to not tell anybody zip. Lock it put in your pocket. Uh is there going to be a lot of the talian family. They're very like traditional. He starts asking me questions. I explained who follow was then. Drop the bomb that the pope is. Maria's yes we're gonna marry off. I couldn't believe i literally sat there. I think i was in shock the whole time and then it just starts sinking in and i was like okay. This is a really big deal. This is not a joke pressure on. I mean it was on a trip with stephanie. On this which i love is it a bog down as a trumpet. We're going to show off your curbs. What is the pope in want. Because i really liked to show curves like marilyn monroe right. And i'm thinking is he gonna go all claim that the vatican had offered us the pope's summer residence which has been a small beautiful romantic town halls castelgandolfo about a forty minute drive. Outside of rome he said he had secured a castle. And that's where everybody was saying. Perfect sense in the scheme of the whole prince charming thing that we would stay in a castle he would reveal the surprise to me sort of slowly one by one. The very first thing he told me was that andrea bocelli was going to be singing in the church was like wow really issue. She said he said that. His mother and andrea bocelli mother knew each other because they were from the same town in italy and then he added that john legend was going to be playing during the ceremony. I had just read that you can actually pay john. Legend to perform at a private party surgeons don't have money so i would think okay then it was awesome. I mean the guest list just kept growing and growing tobacco. Founds the obamas. The coins the clintons some reason russell crowe was on the list so the invitation came wrapped in lambskin envelope and it was really fancy with gold lettering and embossed ferry extravagant. If you've ever priced out invitations very expensive. The wedding wasn't just one and done. It was going to be a full four day affair and that meant benita needed four beautiful gowns along incredible that next week we are to visit a place where we will marry so he wanted this very elaborate wedding gowns and it was going to culminate in me coming on all down but he wanted says skirt to come on and so she could show up like you know her moves just gonna wrap her polar in and then read told me that he wanted to play piano for me at the wedding and that he had played piano as a child but he wanted to relearn the piano. My daughter was playing violin at the time. so he'd be there playing the piano she'd be they're playing. The violin was actually lovely but while the wedding was kicking into high gear. Benita said paolo was becoming increasingly tents. About work i've of two thousand fourteen. We had a trip to california to spend thanksgiving with my family and he had been really stressed in the weeks before he had been talking to me for some time about how there are people that were against him and his enemies and one morning. She woke up and read in the new york times. That colleagues at the carolingian institute for accusing him of scientific misconduct. Gessler press coverage. And i'm like what the hell is going on. Why didn't you tell me got benita and palo gearing up for the wedding of the century and then in palo's professional life will there were serious. Criticisms being raised as with any pioneering technique. There were some complications and it wasn't a clear cut success from the beginning little hannah. The subject of anita's documentary. She sadly never made it out of the hospital. After her surgery. I was devastated. I had become very close to her. Family was awful hollow really depressed. We had become very attached to her. We all hope that one day we'd be going back to korea to see her running around at home. Now she was dead and it was all hold palo headed up a research lab at the caroline skit institute one of europe's top ranked medical universities and it performed three trachea surgeries at its affiliated hospital. Several doctors who worked alongside paolo some tending to the patients he had implanted with those new trachea started voicing concerns about the new procedure in particular. They took issue with the way he'd written them up in medical journals. We went through six of pelham macarena articles. He could show the lies and falsifications in in the article she published. They filed an official complaint with the university and this became worldwide news. Wild benita -em palo were visiting her family. This was bad. It was all over the news. He was insanely stressed. I've never seen him like that. Of course i supported him like any loving partner responsible. Do he was adamant that this is going to go away. And there was no basis to these allegations and that was just these jealous colleagues of his out to get him. And i believe he was being unfairly maligned. I'm helping him answer press requests. You know he felt like his career was imploding. She went into full. Pr mode took over my dining room. Table spread all the stuff. I was on the computer. He came in crying. is very emotional. Felt bad honestly. It made me like him more. He has an intimidating presence and so to see him vulnerable like that just made them more human. I was going to do whatever i could to help him. And be by aside and and help them get through it too soon. After palo benita headed off to italy for a quick weekend so we had gone to italy and i kept saying to follow. While we're here. Can we please go to castel gandolfo. And i want to see the place where we're getting married. And he was really resistant. It's just one excuse. After the other. And i couldn't understand what the resistance was like. Please i just. I wanna see this place drive to talk. He showed me where. I'd be walking in and showed me the for the fireworks would be and he showed me the little city hall where he said the paperwork was already in there with our names on it and everything was ready for the wedding the whole time. He was in a foul mood. And i was really annoyed because you know i'm seeing the place where we're going to get married. I wanted him to be more excited. I remember ask him like you know it's your problem. And he basically just said that he was occupied with all this stuff going on with the allegations regardless the countdown to the wedding was on ryan in the wedding of the excitement for this wedding with palpable. With my friends we started pulling at the wedding century. It just felt like this was going to be a kindle a royal wedding if started to feel like shoes princess diana being many of us were very concern about what we're going to wear when you wear a that. The pope is ad and the obamas are at like. I just don't have not just one special outfit but three or four for the most expensive shopping trip remarks marines so on top of everything else he. I said that the pope was going to allow both of us to take communion in a church during the wedding which also would be highly controversial because divorces are not allowed to take communion in the catholic church and then he adds to it that have so many lovely gay friends and because of because of matthew designing your address he wants to open it up so that if gays wants to take communion wedding ceremony. They can do that too. I grew up catholic and unsafe. Wow this is unbelievable. This is really gonna happen. This would be timing your life. That was the moment that you were accepted. And after the wedding they decided benita and her daughter were going to move to barcelona with palo where he had a home benita quitter television jobs and pulled her daughter out of her private school and got ready to move and relief three or four times. We were supposed to go to barcelona and every time at the last minute. There was an emergency surgery every single time leaving her job and having been there. I was kinda like well. That's odd. I had asked group of girlfriends to stop walking up to the reception desk to pay. And i pull out my phone see this email. The subject line says the pope sheila stricken. Somebody knocked the wind out at me. benita spa. We're all having a great time. She was looking at her phone and she looked wary. Might see us email and it's from a colleague and it says we need to talk and it has a link to an article that shows that the pope is not going to be in rome on july eleventh. He's going to be in south america. It's not only that the pope is going to be on a different continent on the day of their wedding. According to the article the trip had been planned for a long time. I actually literally almost physically fell over. She looked stricken and her friend set. Is everything okay. And she said now. The pope is going to be in south america on the day of my wedding and we all just got really quiet and we're kind of like. Oh my god. Oh my god there was like somebody knocked the wind out of me. I felt sick immediately. Start blowing policy screaming at him. What the hell is going on. He said look. Somebody is trying to undermine the pope the former pope benedict who's much more conservative than francis would never approve of what francis was about to do so. Explanation was that benedict had gone behind francis back and made it so that the pope couldn't do our wedding and that he was gonna fight a room and get to the bottom of this and not to worry. I'll fix this after the phone call was absolutely free. She said oh. My god my god what if this is all aligned and that was just she just kind of woke up from from a cloud of love and romance and started asking questions. I call the council where he says he's booked all these rooms and everybody's saying they never heard of it. I called the restaurant that he said was catering the wedding. They say they've never heard of anything phone calls. I could've made at any second. But i didn't because everything was supposed to be a surprise. Benita started investigating palo the way she would investigate her stories at work she also hired private investigators in the us and italy envision and onion and you start peeling the layers back the onion she basically started to uncover everything layer by layer piece by piece. I made a very strategic decision to start playing academ- ousts game. Basically she did not let paulo know that she was onto him. She just started investigating. I wanted to get all the information that i could get Before i really confronted him because clearly he's not gonna tell me the truth you know so then. He proceeds to tell me that they're going to bring back the weddings to long. Okay at the same time. Things are heating up with scientific allegations. Caroline's get institute was deep into a formal investigation into those claims. Coming from colleagues the powell had fabricated parts of his medical research. I basically said we can't get married right now. Anyway your way too stressed i think the best thing we do is postpone the wedding. I'll send out a note. Cancelling it three hundred people already plane tickets and you have to somehow let them know so she somehow created an email. I think the title set a sad note. It was so hard to know what to say. What are you say. Everybody was so excited. I was blowing up everybody's dream not just my train your family and friends. It is with an extraordinarily heavy heart. That i write to inform you. That due to unforeseen and unfortunate personal circumstances may have to cancel our july eleven. Th wedding italy. We greatly respect lengths and expensive undertaken in order to make plans to celebrate with us this summer and we are deeply sorry for the great inconvenience this causes. We respectfully ask for some privacy to figure out our next steps. I'll say what my jaw could have been on the ground it so much because the staff had to put so much work into this. How do i tell the workroom. After we sat there and pin every ruffle through we went through every lace placement. We went to all this stuff for vanita deserved all of that beautiful work and for that day for them. My feelings to adjust crushed also devastating. Matthew was the realization that he wasn't going to be getting communion from the pope. Paulo told my ex partner myself that the pope was going to grant us Communion to a same sex couple that had been buried in. That's never been anything that's been done before. It would have been super special would been probably earth changing and life. Changing it was insane it was so upsetting for all of us and we were upset for her. she was just starting to discover all sorts of truths Or i should say discover the lies he had told and they started to pile up one. After another after another benita manage to get the vatican to verify palo was not the pope's personal doctor. She called an clinton contact and found out. They'd never heard powell and she couldn't find any evidence that the obamas knew him. Either and that engagement ring he said was worth one hundred thousand dollars. She had it appraised and it was worth about one thousand dollars. And the big kicker was the italian investigators found records that palo and his wife were still married the whole time. He was planning this grand wedding. He legally had a white at this point. Benita was really and she decided to use her non-refundable plane tickets to head to italy. On what would have been her wedding weekend to get some answers. I wanted to go to italy to investigate myself. I wanted to see the places by was supposed to been going. And i want to the hassle. I knew there was something hidden in that house in barcelona. I didn't know what it was. But i knew there was a damn good reason to get. Never let me go to that house. And i thought the only way. I'm gonna find out what it is is to go there and for him to not me but there was a lot more to this story and it was all about to come to a head. Scout turned over. We found a new law. We don't do anything i love for. People died you. Her love affair with the famous surgeon was over over. The top wedding was a fiction. No famous guests though pope officiating but benita was heading to europe to confront the man. Who's big love was a big line gama extraordinarily painful and devastating beyond belief on so many levels. She was a mess. She was a mess but she was on this mission. She wanted to see him and look him in the eye and ask him like what the hell but was benita the only victim what about those groundbreaking and all the patients who died. Not even angry about what he did to me. I was enraged about the patients and the people whose lives he was putting in danger in the field of psychopathy. Nobody who does what paulo is doing in their personal life had already done that in their professional life. You're going to get to the bottom of this. In the sky had falsified his qualifications and the ad was going around the world performing human experiments masquerading as cutting edge operations. He was a fraud. He was a conman. Couldn't crawl under the covers. I had to expose them. Even though palo and benita had called off their grant wedding benita was pretending to continue the relationship and had palo believing that they would eventually still get married when you add up. Everything including the invitations addresses the plane tickets. It's over fifty thousand dollars. That i had spent personally i think they have. I have no job now. I no longer have health benefits benefits and have nothing. You've got to send me money. You gotta help me out here. I don't know what i'm gonna do. Many of the guests invited to the canceled wedding still headed to europe. Since they bought non-refundable plane tickets benita went to italy to and met up with friends. Once she got. I flew there on what was supposed to be the wedding day by myself. I ordered myself a glass of champagne on the plane and toasted myself at six. Pm when we're supposed to get married and cried. We spent a couple of days. Enron and then wanted to a number of places and ask questions there and walked up right to where i was supposed to have walked in. I remember seeing her a went by her hotel room. Because i ended up not canceling my trip. She was a mess. She was a mess but she was on this mission. One of my friends before. I once said. Why don't you bring addresses. You were supposed to wear them changed into the readdress. Took some to emotional somehow putting readdress. It was just me telling myself you can do this. You can get through this. We're gonna get to the bottom of this. A her next stop after. Italy was palo's house in barcelona the house that only weeks ago she was planning to move to with her daughter. She was convinced. This house was the missing link benita and her friends. Nancy and lee landed in barcelona and headed to palo's house. Benito was still playing cat and mouse with palo. I was still texting with him. Because i'm still playing this game with him. He's telling me that he's in russia. I told him that. I had gone to a lake in upstate. New york with some friends because the wedding becomes too emotional for me. He has no idea europe again. Ready do a little road trip shop and really didn't know what i was gonna find out but i wanted it on videotape. I had so much nervous energy so we decided that i was going to wear this. I think deep down she wanted to see him and look him in the eye and and ask them like what the hell is on xy. Nita was super nervous on the drive to paulos house in barcelona and it was literally up a hill up a mountain. We were basically just trying to keep her lighthearted and happy. There is Something we were doing all along the way we would stop all along the mountain and have a couple of scenery shots with some hand. Just you know giving the middle finger. It was more about a sign of strength to be like you know what like at the top of the hill and we get to the top. And i was shaking. We drive by the house. And i'm watching behind all of a sudden i see somebody so i yelled the to my friends at make. Somebody's there and they jump out of the car and they walked down the hill it was palo and he was not in russia. He said i'm in the car. My heart is pounding renaissance. Come down the steps these dare. I was angry as hell. Anger as hell you you live. I see you and your white shirt and your black shorts and your gray hair you as i'm videotaping. This is c. One and two kids. From what i could tell he had a whole family there. Who's this woman in. Barcelona does the wife he still legally married to an italy. Know about her. Are these young children. It's is this another woman he do ct. These are all maddening. Questions that benita to this day still doesn't have definitive answers to little kids coming down the stairs. Wow that was unexpected. So that kind of threw a little monkey wrench in it for all of us. I knew pol had a wife. I knew about the wife in italy. The woman in barcelona is not his wife schist puke up until then i had been thinking about getting out of the car. Once i saw those kids i couldn't move so we ring the doorbell. And he answers the door about and it was just like holy crap. He answered the door comes out in this t shirt and shorts Shocks as all get out like what are you doing here. So we ring the doorbell and he answers the door. Follicle i had my phone on and you know i didn't get a good shot him but i got his feet and he's like why are you here and we're like. Oh we wanted to give you a gift you know for the wedding for the wedding. That never happened. Just his eyes as eyeballs. He looking down and they were going. He was calculating. He was trying to figure out what he told and what he was going to say next and then he said well. Where's your car. He didn't even invite us in normally. You would think if somebody travelled this far. You know you like. Oh can i get you a water coffee. If i see him. Walk back up the stairs. I mean my my friends open the car door. I'm not even crying and wailing. The last time i ever saw him was when he turned around and walked up those stairs but it was housing barcelona. I decided to text him. I basically sent him. This long taxed telling him that i knew he was lying about everything and he makes me sick. He writes back. One word as always said wow. I was devastated. I was shattered. She had quit her job. She had no money coming in. She took her daughter out of school. It was awful. She honestly went pretty dark and silent. We just felt awful for her awful for my knees trying to wrap our brains around everything how it could all blow up like that and how could all be so fooled. It's different than any other kind of loss or break up because in an odd way. There's nothing degrees. Because the person that i thought i was in love with them exist at the same time. It's extraordinarily painful and devastating beyond belief on so many levels. When there's somebody that you care about and they finally put their guard down to be loved to have this piece of crap person come in and just be such a good con artist is still breaks my heart to this day when i got back from europe i wanted to get rid of a lot of the things that were in the house that were his and the one thing i really wanted to get rid of it was this piano which symbolize paolo i sold the piano on craigslist and the woman that bought the piano we become friends very good friends. She likes salsa dancing. We go salsa dancing together and we took a vacation together several months after he bought the piano and she says i have to tell you something i said so i said. Do you actually know that that piano. Actually has prerecorded classical music. What do you mean. And she says it has prerecorded music on it can play itself and that poets had george dropped and she looked into she's they're busy driving and then she flips ahead and looks at me and said kidding me so i said yes i mean it has a lot i go back to the clip almost died. There's follow plan the piano literally. He picks up his hands and he's dusting the piano and the piano still playing so even. That was fake. I think in hindsight many of us sometimes wonder why we couldn't why we didn't see all the signs by three hundred people. Most of us very smart women. It's not like somebody was standing raving a red flag saying caution caution. This man's of fake the fact that he was often cancelling plans at the last minute defects that there are always these emergency surgeries but most of those things had plausible explanations at the time especially in the line of work that he's in. I saw his six telephones. Or any. Sony telephones surgeries in russia and just surgeries in germany. Of course makes perfect sense. So looking back i guess it should have maybe better red flag. I think that it's much easier for somebody to con people. The more successful they are. When somebody is very successful we tend to sometimes idolized on suspend our beliefs more. Even if they tell us the most incredible things mainly because they have such stature. I just can't help but wonder had she not how far he would have taken to leave her at the altar. What was his endgame. What was can happen when we all got there. I don't know what his end game was. I don't think he had an end game. So that's the million dollar question. Why the hell do this. Why do this anybody. Why did you do this tweet. I would you do that to anybody. She believed in the love and then to have all of that. Just fall apar- in the worst of ways almost unbearable. What would you do if you had given up your life for something that you believed in entrust it to you on a mission then to make sure that others do as furious as it makes me a thought that this is a man who was people's lives in his hands. This is a surgeon. People could be dying because of this man. And therefore i couldn't stay silent couldn't crawl under the covers i had to expose Do we're rolling all right. Let's go back in time. It was complicated even from the beginning. Because you were doing a documentary about him from a professional point of view. Obviously a big no professionally. I was so conflicted and tormented. Actually my thought process was. I'm head over heels in love. I thought i was going to spend the rest of my life with this man and the risk was worth it. I've been through so much and at that point in my life. I just wanted to be happy journalists to you. Did you ever think this is too good to be true. It's hard to answer that. Now you know. I remember feeling like i was floating on clouds. You know i was so happy and sort of get it. I was giddy with happiness. Sounds like a drug. Yeah i had never thought of it that way but i think when you first fall in love your infatuated and those initial moments months whatever they are being in love it is like a right. Here's this guide. Literally prince charming too good to be true of vip. Dr the pope's officiating your wedding andrea bocelli singing. He's got this unbelievable guest list going on. You didn't kunin. You didn't even doubt it for one second honestly if weren't me like come on. Give me a break. Really you bought the pope was marrying. You like come on. i get that. It looks absurd when you're in it. It's like a spider weaving a web. It was this very intricate slow. Meticulous weaving of this web of lies. You're so caught up in it. You don't really realize what's happening forty dollars. What gets you the most angry about what he did to my daughter. You have a little girl. That just lost her dad. Dad just died you know and he comes riding in his fake white horse. He's going to save the day he said. I'm gonna take care of both of you for the rest of your lives. You do this to a little girl whose father just died. How dare you. How dare you. Who the hell does that why. He sat in front of her and talked about the school. He had enrolled her and her life in barcelona. She would ask questions and the whole time you know. It's all a lie. What the hell is wrong with you in the car. My her discounting when i saw him. Come down the steps these ear in that car. You're friends down below. You're you're filling it with your phone. You never confronted paula. The minute i saw those kids i couldn't do it. I didn't wanna cause a scene in front of them. That would probably traumatize them. They're living this idyllic life in this beautiful house on top of a hill and seaside. Spain they have no idea. What's going on Do you think the palo loved you or that. He targeted you way everything. I don't think he really loved and that's crushing. But now in hindsight. I realize me getting so excited about those surprises and and being so touched and giddy and happy. That's was a high for him. He wasn't doing the things for me. he was doing it to get my reaction which fed his easel. What'd you do with the ring by the way through it on a river seriously you. We're on a mission then to make sure that others do even as furious as it makes me what he did to my daughter. This is a man who was people's lives in his hands. This is a surgeon. People could be dying because of this man and therefore i couldn't stay silent. I couldn't crawl under the covers. I had to explosive new warns the caroline's get institute about how. What did you tell them. I wrote the to emails and basically just said you know. This man isn't who he seems to be. This man doesn't walk on water when she wrote that. Email to the karolinska institute. There was much more going on in palace professional life than the previous allegations. He denied to her colleagues and other journalists were beginning to ask more questions and a lot was about to be revealed. Somebody tipped me off that there was a story that was kind of interesting this affair between a news producer and her story subject. Who in this case was the world's most famous surgeon paolo. Macaroni when i pitched demanding fair actually titled the made off of medicine. It just seems crazy to me that there was this big lie perpetuated by somebody who is really at the pinnacle of their profession. I did a pretty deep dive. And every- see the i could find from any conference. He had ever been at any medical institution that had had him and actually put them on a giant spreadsheet new. The timing didn't make sense he would have to have been in multiple places at the same time tenured professor at like four places in four different countries consecutively on one of his. Cv's it was written that he had been at the university of alabama birmingham and he had received both a master's degree in biostatistics while also doing a fellowship enthusiastic surgery. And i remember calling down there. S no degree in biostatistics. Cross that one off and then he said you know fellowship thrust surgery. He was clearly lying about what he had done. In the united states and what medical training he had received. We'll that's interesting for a guy who's going and cutting people's necks and chests open palo was already assertion. But why would he claim all these other qualifications as well. Didn't he think padding. His resume was risky. I talked to my editors and we started thinking while. Let's just keep pulling on this thread. Even then i did not think that. By pulling that thread we would completely undo the sweater. Animals found that palo misrepresented his status as a professor at a university in italy and some of his italian colleagues knew about it what that didn't translate into what we might expect. This guy had falsified his qualifications his work experience and yet was going around the world performing human experiments masquerading as cutting edge operations. Can we operated or one hundred ninety one times for different complications. She had suffered at least. Two strokes lost much of her vision. We have to clear her throat. Basically every four to six hours twenty four hours seven days a week which had absolutely catastrophic back. I didn't get why somebody in his position would pull thicker. Assim fly so close to the sun around two thousand eleven. Macaroni became known for creating an artificial trachea. He wound up at karolinska. Which of course gives out the nobel prize in medicine. A macaroni was a water walker in the medical community. This is somebody who had been published in the best and most prestigious medical journals and was literally like bouncing from prestigious medical institution to prestigious medical institution after months of looking at this. I think the was pretty obvious. And that is this guy had falsified his qualifications his work experience and yet was going around the world performing human experiments masquerading as cutting edge operations. I then of course called caroline's and i got a lot of having an hiring is he was a superstar at this point. Palo's own colleagues at the caroline's institute had been trying to sound the alarm about him for more than a year questions were being raised about a twenty four year. Old turkish woman named yeshua schettino who came to macarenhas attention. After a routine elective surgery surgery went forward in turkey and in the course of that procedure. Her trachea was nicked. The surgeons in turkey tried to repair it and there were some complications. Macarena was called in to consult and the decision was made to operate by this time he had already performed. Four of his pioneering artificial trachea implants on patients. This is how the procedure was said to work. The synthetic trachea was made of plastic. The same kind of plastic used to make water bottles and the two was first coated with the patient's stem cells and wants implanted. The patient's own stem cells would generate new tissue and a functioning trachea. She got on an airplane from our own country and flew to stockholm. Got off the plane and went to the hospital where she was operated on and had her trachea or replaced which had absolutely catastrophic effects in total. We operated our one hundred ninety one times for different complications. She had suffered at least two strokes. She was partially blind. She couldn't walk. We have to her throat. Basically every four to six hours twenty four hours seven days a week and actors have described this. As if you're waterboarding. Somebody new the emotional stress on the personnel. Were with or taking care of her in the. Icu was just absolutely horrible. It was such a torture to see this young girl and the suffering was horrendous. It was obvious that she wasn't getting better. And that we were doing was insufficient desperately trying to save yesen medina's and several of his colleagues started digging through the papers palo published about his largely successful groundbreaking surgeries but when they compared those papers with the patients. Real life medical charts. They became convinced he was falsifying data to make the surgeries look more positive than they actually were the first patient mosa pile policies based on was operated in two thousand eleven. Decoding to paolo's scientific things. Yes you could see healthy trachea. Starting to develop. According to the real biopsies. There was nothing he was dead. It said that he had a normal functioning airway. And the that wasn't true they said was that the patient was doing fine and had no major complications. And that's not true. One of his lungs was completely obliterated from a chronic infection. The patients were not getting better. It was unclear whether he actually had the proper ethical approval to do these operations on patients in the first place beyond belief we would never in our wildest dreams thought that somebody would be capable of lying about so many things but every stone over. We found a new live. The first thing we did was inform our boss and then we also informed how the mercury knees bosses. You want to discuss this to say if we don't do anything i love. The people will die from this. Several palo colleagues. At the caroline's get institute wrote up a detailed five hundred page complaint accusing him of endangering the lives of his patience and the response was basically nothing. I think they thought there'd be some justice there or at least some intellectual curiosity. What they found was the exact opposite after several months. The university did launch an investigation into the allegations which palo denied but ultimately ruled that while. His work didn't always meet their standards. No scientific misconduct had occurred. Balas contract was renewed and his work continued was. Just you know absolutely insane. We're incredibly upset about the whole thing. It was just unbelievable but back. In the united states a damning article was about to be published as benita prepared to tell first-rate for the first time he had no business operating he was a fraud. Excuse a conman everything. Just tumbled you know boom boom boom boom like house of cards. Well the doctor should be jailed. But what a snowy january in stockholm with the explosive vanity. Fair magazine article came out. And the domino's started to fall paula. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be because there were two distinct lines in this piece. The personal and the professional a large portion of the public gravitated to the personal stuff because it was outlandish with the pope and with all the heads of state coming to this once in a lifetime wedding. I think for me. The story really was that the world's most famous sergeant peg gone unnoticed for so long without ever being exposed weeks after the vanity fair article dropped an investigative documentary about palo aired on swedish television and working for the university. And we are trying to create new organs frankenstein. The documentary raised a number of questions about palo's techniques and full of him. Admitting to an issue with the patients artificial trachea while still forging ahead with another surgery the documentary also told the personal stories of patients who had died including this young russian mother. That film crews had begun following hoping and expecting there would be a happy outcome to palo surgery in the documentary When one gets to follow closely a young russian woman who has life destroyed by surgeries and people were just so absolutely horrified by what they saw palo claimed the synthetic trachea did not shorten this woman's life or the lives of any of his other or caused their deaths instead pointing the finger at their underlying health condition saying they were fatal and may have benefactor stiff difficult to be attacked from the beyond the front pages and at least we would have done something wrong. Then i would understand it. But we didn't the whole sweden. Apparently watch these programs upgrades. It was a big outcry. National scandal was a radical. Wake up call for the swedish people to see this. The reaction was as you would expect. Nor how is this guy being able to do these operations so you had the documentary that showed the patients were in a really serious state and you had the article in vanity fair which showed that his personal life was in a weird sort of conman lake situation. I think once you put those together. The was such that the caroline's gets to to do something. Caroline announces the palo macarena is under investigation. They're looking into his background. they're not renewing his contract. They unwind his lab. Then the leadership of the caroline get institute resigns then the leadership of the nobel prize committee and medicine resigns and it was like a bomb. Went off start. The caroline's get institute launched multiple new investigations into paulo and they eventually reversed their previous findings and found palo guilty of scientific misconduct. Six medical papers he published about. The transplant were retracted. All the scientific papers were necessity to build this house of cards which he was then using to go globetrotting around the world and getting the prestige in the money at that and tail while this resulted in palo being dismissed. The university even cited some of the whistle blowers reprimanding them for their participation. In some of palo's papers we reached out to the carolines get institute and they said it is obvious that k is initial handling of this case was insufficient and inadequate on several points it has also led to extensive reform work internally at k. I in order to improve and clarify a number of regulations and routines swedish prosecutors were also looking into palo asking were his actions. Criminal as palo was being investigated in sweden his patient yes. Shittier had been transferred to the us in philadelphia hospital waiting for a lung transplant. She and her father alone in another country befriended another patient's family member. When i met her she had one lung on oxygen. She could not cough up the phlegm. Choke her for everything that she'd been through. She was such a positive sweet girls. You really had dreams. She was very close to going to the next level. Been moving out of the icu to the pulmonary floor. And then from there the rehab floor. It was within sight but should she just could her body just couldn't handle it. Palo has barely spoken publicly about yash case but has said that her complications due to underlying conditions today her family members are pursuing a wrongful death lawsuit against the manufacturer of the plastic trachea. He has him was healthy. Beautiful young woman who did not need to have the senator. Paolo implanted artificial trachea in a total of eight patients. Today only one is alive and that patient has had their synthetic trachea removed. You still believe in the procedure. Of course. I believe in technology and come on. I mean the first liver transplant. The first kidney transplant heart transplant. They go all well know if you do something. Such radically new. You expect complications if you look at his career. He has made doctors trust him. People get carried away because the promise of being part of something fantastic but nobody wanted to acknowledge it. There was too much everything. He was too big to fail in madison until he had lied too much in his personal life. Everybody wants magic solution to whatever disease is going on sciences. Not fast science takes a long time. It sounds too good to be true. You're but the story doesn't end there. Swedish prosecutors have an announcement regarding their investigation. It's now been five years since paulos rise began to unravel the wedding. Did he destroy your life. I would never alone the one thing. I was really adamant with myself about is. I didn't want this to make you better. And give him out of power of having a lasting negative impact on my life palo has never publicly commented on his relationship with benita and didn't respond to any of our requests for comment on this story in september twenty swedish prosecutors indicted palo on charges of aggravated assault relating to three of the surgeries at caroline's getting university hospital including the surgery of your he has not yet entered a plea but has completely denied. All the charges accord date has yet to be set. You have met family members of some of his patients. What what was that like. It broke my heart. It is a level of betrayal that is unfathomable And so there is. There is a unique bond between us. Because we've both been betrayed by this man that we trusted that the world trusted you know but in their case someone died and i. It was hard to sit with them. It made me so angry. What would you like to see happen to power. I want him to go to trial. Want to go to the trial. And i want him to look around that courtroom and see the families of the patients whose lives he destroyed and see my face and at least before i for whatever few seconds to look at us all in the eye and maybe understand what he did and then i want him to be held accountable. I think needs to be behind bars now when it matters most the straightforward facts. Abc news is america's number one news number one in the morning number one in the evening with america's most watched newscast number one in late night versus the competition number one in politics and most watched across this historic election versus the competition. The number one daytime talk show and number one in stream. Smoked trusted most watched. Abc news is america's number one news.
BROWNS WIN....What?!? (Ep.115)
"Let's a weekend people did. It is that it is, and we've had another week of NFL and we're preparing for the next week NFL and lots of things have happened. Some trades, some big victories. I don't know who, what could it be? I well, we'll just have to wait and see, you know, when we start to show, you know, we might actually do a little get it off your chest today to maybe toward the end. So you might want to stick around kilos yet. You hearing. You're listening to argue here in this. I'm your boy, Jay. Go whim and I'm Jay smooth. Bringing you are take on sports and entertainment. So Jay go, man, you know a lot of things happened. You got Cleveland, of course, trading, Josh Gordon's Osgood, babe to the New England patriarchs. KOMO yo they'll do what go here with Tom frady 'fraidy cat, boom. That's his name risky business who lost this week, who a lot of people always Linglan patriarchs lost will look. Right here. Woo radi. Oh, I guess it was lows for the second get who the Buffalo Bills and not just that they had a Gat to retire at halftime. Are you serious ale tab, bills mafias coming after you plea? Have you heard of the bills mafia idea? I thought it would just part of the thank clue. It's no two people are messed up. I'll never. I understand tailgate and they do stupid crap. Just go on YouTube or I do. Yeah. Look at bills mafia. It's messed up, but yeah. Yeah, I do to give a shoutout. To rand fix, patriot who of blacks this Patrick, the temporary buccaneer. All right. Why is that? For nominal numbers. The the pay weeks shutout Jayme in Wisden you might not have no job when you come back because you want to funnel on a driver. Job is shut out there. Your man. I think name Mahoney in Kansas City. The boy is on fire. You know, also fire who. Who cares? What was wriggle one one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one. One. One. One binary code for Cleveland sucks, but I told everybody go up tick the past episodes. I told you guys. Tyrod Taylor was not going to beg it. Three games he's gone. Baker may feel came up the sideline and he was ready to go. That just sounds like a winning quarterback's name may feel Baker Mayfield comes in, you know, I mean, he just goes off the tongue, have a trophy winner, baby Chateau, the Cleveland on your first victory. Hope hope they continue. I'm going to predict there. I'm going to predict their year end score. Oh my their win laws town. Fourteen one. One, fourteen one where you what's out the Cleveland aide. Elmo number can last night. I'm Sarah. I went there in Cleveland lands night. I wonder how many people in the city of Cleveland got tattooed on their rear end one one one out on. No, somebody gotta do somebody gotta do. There was a line for that. Somebody got drunk last night in the NBA work, but the boss don't care because I want right to the doghouse baby. The dog pound extra was doghouse. That's the dog pound my I got. I got a big house at adult pound could join together. You can take down the Cleveland Browns as much you want their terrible now because what did they do who they traded, Josh Gordon man just like we were just talking. I won't. I will talk Howley them because I appreciate it for a fifth round. Pick. For a fifth round, was that out to old is as well? Yeah. Oh man, this is messed up. I mean, I don't get. I don't get a broken. Man look could tell and we welcome him. And in New England assure you do a little Caesar, but all in all, you know, celebrate Cleveland Browns, you know. But. Big. But in enjoy it while layers opera go do better way. But in that y'all ready to start off doing better than what you did past couple of your, let's reckon prediction then. First of all. To me Cleveland be three or no. I'll be on this the kid or Mr. Boothe tired with the Steelers, bro. Playing against the saints, a hap how off his right? So. They should be three. Now shoulda coulda woulda. I'm gonna predict. I'm predicting win more. Pays for years. So more than one? Yeah, more maybe to maybe give. Yeah, two thirteen in one but sit, it's big of Cleveland. Yeah, let's go. Let's go to hip hop. A hip hop hypnotist hip to the hip hip hop. Not clear on his game. We up. They're going by Cleveland. Okay. Oh, you mean to try new well, isn't from Cleveland from Cleveland, which is why not? Okay. Okay. Okay. You have empty where I say, suck now. Good Kelly. That should be a boxer's name saying kill. Yeah, for real makes me think of from rocky five Tommy machine gun. It was real bossy with it. Yes, yes. Tommy Morrison, empty cavers. Y'all heard been hip hop new, you know, they beef in. They going back and forth or this song's. So I heard both sides empty k D's will call rap devil. Let me ask you this jae-gil him. So really into the hip hop world that much. Has anyone else other than MGK came back at Eminem. No, those guys are smart. Good for them. I don't know about you bro. Losing rep. There are heard. Great. I when I read, I'm like, oh, okay. We, we my guess I'm going on your right, right, this good? Yeah, good Lear is good. He flew his flow was was good. Outta here. Eminem was spun. I'm like, yeah, this Benita Eminem anyway. So I click on a YouTube assay, kill shot. I listened to and I'm like blown away game over and on breaking down every bar that he's saying, yeah, you have to understand what he's saying. He says, east calling l. g. k. his son first of all because he's as staying staying dead isn't made right. Yeah. I mean, he sons you already. Don't everybody know this creeped out. You should let nobody son you. If you ain't to other. So if somebody calls you son now it's it's like yell, okay, this would it deals. Gotcha. Son new terminology, almost like the dudes. Dad, like town of what it is. You. If z k had a couple of bars that was good. Okay. A couple of bar that good. Just a just a couple though. Couple, because I understand Eminem what was Eminem saying? He had a lot of dope bars dollar. A lot of dope punches even had a couple of blown away bars that he did it line by killing to park. Got to to be killed. Yeah, I'm like, wow, and was public knowledge. Everybody's been saying that I'm not saying they had anything to do with it, but it being public knowledge of saying he used it and plus empty k. Sam would Babbler which is p didn't regulate it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I Gotcha that I was up on the same umbrella, which is Interscope. You know, they still about the same Interscope, but. What I want to say. Why other rappers didn't try it because Eminem is known for battling? Yeah, he's for balance. And I think that's why he did this because we all know last almost trash wasn't him. I'm not gonna say it was right. It was trash. I'm not gonna say, and that's in my opinion, compared to the other stuff he's done, which is always been phenomenal. I think he's trying to get back to his roots because that's when he's the best battling. So. He destroyed machine gun Kelly, and that's okay over as it is. Yeah. What what is what is a. It was a body. We watched better up three rounds, three row convincingly. There's a body. Yeah. What this a body. I think so only because machine gun Kelly hasn't came out with anything yet feels. And then at his shows he's getting booed about at thorough bay said that there's not true because it was set up. Somebody put video at there. That's not really what happened there. Another video so that he didn't move really? Yeah. It's just the audio is you if you listen to audio sound like it don't sound like the crowd for real right. It sound like something else, but. Okay. Okay, so but still I think the windows closing for machine gun Kelly to put out a response. Well, he got put out because his one one now. Is it really one though because this first day imminent respond to back them, so is really well. I'm MD I now machine. Well, Eminem talked about it. I machine killer drop the song I, the Eminem came in reply to. Okay, and machine Kelly's song is rap double. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty it pretty good, but everybody just like all Eminem kill machine killer, even kill, still thing. Machine killings come out all you want to know the one. Yes. Keep the battle going. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's good for hill power, but now man you, you don't wanna test a pinned or worst male, but the reason that no one else has done this is because here's a reason one, they're smart to, like Eminem said and kill shot. He had to give machine gun Kelly career just to kill it. Whoa. And that's true for a lot of these other rap, oh, which is why they won't do it. Like NF did. Okay. He gonna try this man. Now he should know better who else was mentioned. Joe Boone's let it never even heard of that guy, Joe, but Joe blow Yati yada. But like I say, he will flatter day he does lizard to little. He's say, he will flatter to hear Eminem even know who he'll take go. But like I say, but seeing killer couple of minimum Eminem on this song still. Really? Yeah. While let's say and the kill shots on there was no complimenting at all? No, to give you a career gist to kill it, which is true. He. I mean machine gun Kelly getting bigger, but he's not blowing up or anything, but I do get a machine gun Kelly credit for this. They're not give credit for say, have so twenty records really did not know that. I didn't know they needed to the breakfast club interview the song Cleveland? Yeah, they won't even wanted published on when double platinum. Wow, that didn't even know that neater, but still in comparison Eminem. Nothing compared to Eminem. That's a crawl, right? I think he said that he is is you got you talk to a man, the the biggest sailing. Hip hop artists of all time. You got a man that went diamond. There's ten plus platinum records three times, right demand went damn and three times bro. You know how hard it is. Do that and hip hop. Yeah, about a mandate. Were cut like a knife, man, you know. Daily demand literally is a dictionary walking. I will say this that kill shots on. It was good, but I wasn't. I wasn't like, oh, like all the time. I was just more scared by the end. Like all my gosh might actually kill machine gun killing. At the end. When I turned it out and I list out the MG k. so I'm good. Eminem saw had great country to just was directly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, any had a lot of word play and a lot of man. Now, this is to me though if there was another artist of the MD k.. They wouldn't have been no kisser. You would have to. You lay show booths beggar, we're going it like. Who you think could give. Who Eminem would have had to do better job because you know the next two days, the guy would put out track. Layers, like Sese. Okay. But saying would all I'm saying per se, personally, ludicrous, Kendra, Lamar j. Cole. Okay. You would have had to do better a big shown you would have to do better against them because they went to end them. I would love to hear. Jay z battle rap. I don't think he could do it. E probably came into days time, but twelve, we tell you about this is really like it is bad or what is this? What a b, but you're actually able to sit in a studio. This isn't like live where you gotta. You gotta be ready. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think either of those guys do that. Maybe Eminem I think Manila could set out to that. You are real king dot r. b. bullpen. Shout out to my guy, Jay black on champion. Out embattled easy. I won't take some of them out. Just go to YouTube rough man. They got out about -als good, good, good stuff about a route, but Emma nails speaking to you to the man and twenty four hours. Yeah, the most listened hip hop. So. And YouTube history? Yeah, I think like thirty some media may I ask you this go here. Beyond with me, this is all set up. No, for both of them. Why are you? Why don't you said why who need EMC sale on his own? But that lasts album was getting trashed bro. You could've got trade, but he sold him. I'm just I'm just saying he don't need. The seems like a great plan I think is to it is the worst plan became a with why beef were MG k. when you be with a major artist, there would have got in popping. Because I think Eminem sees MGK's and artists that will get to that level. I don't think so. I think so. I I don't. I don't think he's terrified even like he told them, I read to be eighty year old me twenty year old. You like he's like, you're, you're the wake me, man. That's been out for six days on YouTube. It has. Ninety four million. My ever now. Outed. Oh. By video Eminem d may know video too. Wow, man to know. He don't, but no, I don't think publicity started light. We talk about slim shady the power that ain't no, probably in it. Well, re greatest rebels alive, all life ordeal. Let's see. Rap double video. Don't man is it has one hundred four million. But that's in two weeks, but still still good. So everybody else still giving Karinna this roller. Yeah, I'm just saying that. I think a machine gun, Kelly took a chance obviously. May have paid for. I'm not dropping the EP. So why would you not come up with a small record right now? Put it out, but you say you already had this so he he was thinking about it. Liar come. Come. Why not drop it? If you had that much heat, you would sit in your studio for the next week and come up with an. I'll Merle crying what real quick. And in my you might sometimes when you're pressured in a creative moment like that, you may come up with one hit that just your hit forever. His echo. So maybe you know, I think it was good thing. I don't like machine Kelly at all. I, I don't like his face. Oh my God. You don't even notice me. I do know of him and I've never liked them. I don't like the name. The whole thing is just it always has seemed to me like an Eminem rip off. And it's not just because he's white promise because he got blowing her. I mean, he's, you know, he's definitely got a different style, but, but they're all kids. Yeah, but see, I just don't. I don't know. I just don't like him. So I, I'm sorry. I just don't. I'm not. I'm not. Sorry. Not sorry about it. Like the guy. Cool with me. I'm not gonna say it took the chairs might have paid off for, but here's a lesson. Everybody. Learn. They be the teach artists when they come in. It's certain people you do not know for, okay, I stay away from him. Emily wouldn't over. Do not go for man. There's known for controversy. He started off career. Kurt man talked about Elvis, Michael Jackson, Christina Aguilera in sync at may talked about everybody. Yeah. So why would here's it? Here's his own natural habitat. When he do this, there's nothing. It's like waking up in the morning. Right? 'cause this what he'd been doing and why they said, oh, I mean, the last album will try to because I think Eminem was like, well, I got some new, you know, I can't stay with the same thing even though they love before I can't stay with the same thing. So he said on the next up, so y'all won't say tobacco, do what you want to. He gave it to a great album. If you have to going to join Lucas, oh my God fall. Oh, fire. Okay. Cool. Wow. Okay. Cool. I, I don't. I'm fine. I just don't like last out and everything else. Good. As our right because there was once on that made me laugh a little bit, but the reservoirs weird I cover was weird too, but it was. I listened to one time knowledge. I do didn't listen to it a couple of times I would have no way of knowing that. I don't wanna listen to some music while you know what we can't play. On air. There's one they'll probably sue us. Yeah, because they're probably looking for everyone right now we're going to play you something else. Like what we'll try something. Right. Probably gonna beer. Now it's. Of course that was in sync with. Bye. Bye. Bye. Now for machine gun Kelly. Told you to play some. I know you was a hater why? My hater I tried to try this man. Try, hey, hey, by, oh, man. He tried to sun Yuma showing. Tough. I just wanna tell you that had enough of your crappy rap songs. All my Sheen's gone Kelly. Bye bye. Bye. Are you a, hey, hey, Irv rigs hater raid. Seeing disown about him getting some Omar. Did you wait about me? I hope he ripped. J. Jay smooth is game the blues because he played in sync and I thought it was a drink and then I drank it up and I don't know anything about you already done. Wasn't gimme a day. I'll come up with a better song machine gun Kelly. Okay. Okay. Anyone in this room can do that. Oh, we're going to see. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to be a part of and I'm not running your ramps. I'm not a ghost writer. What I'm not a goes, right? I don't want you to write my rhymes. It'll be like, hey, do they go together beating sheet. And and another thing. And what I want to get off my chest. What man dog get your kids, bro hair gotta shave for swimming. What are you looking for in this weekend? Football, man. I'm looking for Josh going to take the field in if aid. Hey, drunk. Now he, you know, drink, he's smoke, smoke, smoke weed, everyday, chronic out. They call it the chronic I do. This may guys want some chronic. Anyway. Judge going continue to do your thing. My whole there in Kansas City key firing all ceilings. Why ask you mean cylinders? The cylinders. Raffray patriot keep doing your thing now. Wister knock who's there. PLO who police Ewing Dermot Mon. That doesn't make any sense. I know, but I put whole who get off the my whole. You poem e police. You know, you love my bars. Hato your other host of the show, bro. I don't hate on. You do not want to hear your disown my Dissa. Yeah, I wanna hear you disempower. I'm gonna. I'm not do that. I'm not gonna do that. This you before? I do. I'll be like shady, Grady gravy, maybe. That's it. That's all I gotta do. It'd be like mind blown this new guy. He's the best Jay smooth. You you, you blown, your brings out bro. That's not right now on the show. Thanks for listening, a new par drops every Monday and Friday you can subscribe on. I tunes and be sure to leave us an honest, five star review. Out more at. Are you here in this part dot com?
Sample Excavator 03: The Isley Brothers
"Hi Welcome to episode three of sample excavator. I'm your host Angelo Roberto a simple archaeologist digging through sample and production history to piece together the stories behind the world's because records this week will be a bit of a longer episode than usual because we're discussing one of the most influential artists and sample history. It's almost a rite of passage for hip hop artists to sample this group. And because of that their discography has been sampled a total of eight hundred twenty three times over the past four decades by everyone from the notorious B. I g Kendrick Lamar in case. You haven't guessed already. This group is the legendary Eisley Brothers formed in the early fifties by brothers. Kelly Rudolph and Ronald Eisley. The Eisley Brothers started as a Gospel Group. They added a fourth brother Vernon and continue to perform gospel until his death in the late fifties they started experimenting during and through the sixties incorporating elements of soul funk and pop to the records enjoying top forty charting success. While signed to motown records in the seventies. They added more brothers the group Ernie and Marvin Eisley and even a brother-in-law Chris. Jasper and further delved into rb Balladry and rock. As a six part band. They enjoyed success through the seventies and the beginning of the eighties before splitting up in nineteen eighty three. They're very sound the treasure trove for producers in the nineteen eighties and nineties to mind for samples. Both there faster. Funky grooves and slower ballads have used hip hop often with heavy manipulation. More so than we've seen thus far in this podcast with over eight hundred record samples. I won't be able to go over everything but hopefully I can provide enough of an overview for you all to firmly grasp. How influential is e brothers are we of course must talk about what? I like to call the big three when it comes to is brothers samples between the sheets footsteps in the dark. And that lady will go in reverse chronological order starting with between the sheets which was released on their album of the same name in one thousand nine hundred three one of the last projects. All six members worked on together between the sheets is a slow in sensual ballot that groups with the keyboard synth and drum machine to use of Chris. Jasper the opening measures have been mined extensively. Take a listen. Most stores do share. Yes yes no majority of you have figured out the song that sampled this most famously. But that would be a bit too easy so while I will get to that song eventually for those of you who have may not figured it out yet. I I want to look at a few less obvious or less known uses the first one. We're going to examine is actually one of the first songs ever to sample between the sheets. It's the nineteen ninety quote Unquote Hootie Remix of a tripod. Quests hits Song Benita Applebaum after their nineteen eighty nine debut album people's instinct of trouble in the paths of rhythm originally included on the twelve inch single release of Bonita album alongside the album version and an instrumental with their song. Mr Mohammed on the flip side. It was later released on a full length. Remix album in one thousand nine hundred ninety two properly entitled revised quest for the seasoned traveler as genius dot COM puts it this is less of a remix and more of a sequel to the original. Benita Applebaum with new verses and lyrics continuing the story the use of between the sheets is unmistakable. Matt put an apple the Nida apple way back. The next usage will look at is more subtle and appeared on a much more popular song than the tribe remix. It's none other than funk defied by debris released on the of the same name it helped debris become the first solo female rapper in history to go platinum with over a million copies sold produced by Germain do pre on his so so Def records label it. Beautifully funk defies the original beat to be a near irresistible jam. Of course we now have to talk about the notorious. B I G. He uses the sample on his mega. Hit Big POPPA written by himself and produced by Puff Daddy for his nineteen ninety four album ready to die. This is by far the most successful and well known use of between the sheets also just as a side note the second verse on the song has got to be one of the smoothest in rap history. So if you haven't taken a close look at the lyrics or rhyme scheme in a while. I would suggest taking a quick detour and looking them up. Place with styling. Greece allow me to Liverpool dishes in a market stylistic change and biggies discography big. Papa was seen as the East Coast answer to the West Coast g funk being popularized by Dr dre with it's less aggressive slowdown style and laid back delivery. The HIP hop of the early eighties sample disco funk of the seventies while the harder rap of the late eighties early nineties sampled more rock the G FUNK air took a new approach however going after lesser known markedly slower aren't being soil samples from labels motel from that tradition. Big Papa was born. Interestingly Enough Germain DuPrey the producer behind funk fide by Brat also later worked on a remix of big POPPA to songs in the same decade using the same sample worked on by the same producers giving next. Let's look at footsteps in the dark. The feature track from the is brothers. Nineteen seventy seven hit album. Go for your guns found for so long while dozens upon dozens of songs have sampled this incredible slow jam. We're just going to look at to the most famous one and one of its most recent uses. If you haven't figured it out already this song with its unforgettable guitar part and sparse but marching drumline was the foundation for ice cubes breakout hit. It was a good day off of his nineteen ninety-three Album Predator been a morning. What to breakfast in a two thousand five interview with now defunct Music Magazine blender Ice Cube talks about his inspiration for the song. And where the use of the sample came from. He says the idea of sampling footsteps in the dark came from hearing. Can I kill it by comptons most wanted which samples the Eisley brothers for just one verse in the middle of the song blending the melody from footsteps with the drumline from fool yourself by little feat ninety nine suit once again? It's not keeled. Get A ski before like Soda. To skip into called the. This sounds solving fucking. That made it easier to get her. Was the start dragging the movies. I said Okay super-quick Quick Sidebar the drumline which you just heard from for yourself as a heavily sampled track in its own right. Used many times throughout hip hop history. Ironically it's the same drumline that makes up the instrumental to the original version of Benita Applebaum by Tripod quest which we looked at earlier when talking about between the sheets. I hope at this point you're realizing how connected music can be when viewed through the Lens of samples back to footsteps in the dark. One of the most recent uses of the sample was by thunder cat. Who Used It on his twenty fifteen song them changes on his album. The beyond or where. The giants Rome. He only uses the drums. However looping the intro to create the backbeat for his song take a listen palm part off by the third and final song by the Eisley brothers that we're going to look at is that lady which is actually a nineteen seventy-three cover of their own song called who's that lady originally recorded in nineteen sixty four. The original is much more bare bones and laid back with the nineteen seventy-three version utilizing more modern equipment and sounds like electric guitars and synthesizers. This song has been sampled markedly less than the rest of the is brothers discography but the two main times it was sampled. Were quite incredible. I we must look at the Beastie boys. Three White Boys from Brooklyn are definitely not what you'd picture in. Discussion of hip hop virtuosity but the weasel themselves into that discussion as their nineteen eighty-nine magnum opus Paul's Boutique album has been more and more respected as a pivotal masterpiece in hip hop history. They had incredible commercial success off their nineteen eighty-six album licensed to ill which likely came from the fact that they were one of the first white rappers too seriously release rap music to the masses giving them a jump start when it comes to crossover appeal at the same time from a critical standpoint. Licensed to ill was still phenomenal. Produced by Rick Rubin a simple legend who will come up many times in this podcast if not have his own episode. The album demonstrated sample techniques unheard of at the time. This may have been because the Beastie boys actually started out as a punk rock band playing instruments while rapping all rage against the machine. Fifteen years later but either way Rick Rubin tapped into not just soul aren't and funk records but rock as well sampling. Everything from led Zeppelin to war for Paul's Boutique. However the Beastie boys were no longer working with Rick Rubin and wanted to make an album that was less appealing commercially but would be critically acclaimed as a hip hop masterpiece produced by the dust. Brothers and Mario Caldo junior also known as Mario See. The album contains samples from one hundred five different songs in total making it one of the most sample heavy albums of all time the final song alone which is a nine part suite entitled B Boy. Bouillabaisse contains twenty four samples the Beatles sly and the Family Stone Eisley brothers. James Brown Rose Royce sugarhill gang and dozens upon dozens. More are sampled throughout this project. In fact there isn't a sound on the album. Besides the vocals that isn't comprised of some sort of sample section D of the nine part closing suite is where that lady is sampled creating the background for a blistering. Mca Solo rap. Jill has exc much more recently. Kendrick Lamar used the same sample from that lady for his multi. Grammy Award winning hit single. I released in two thousand fourteen visit the freemen chatroom Benicia but I know guy say me million a bow at the holy water. Don't go dry. Kendrick Lamar actually personally visited Ronald Eisley to get permission to use the sample on his song and he talked to new musical express a British music journalism site saying quote actually had to go to Saint Louis and get the blessings from Ronald Eisley. That was a trip. We got the studio and just vibe talked about how things were back then and how they are now and can actually hear him on the record with a few atoms that he actually did. We got it on camera and things like that. It's a beautiful thing and quote the simple mixed. The song prideful up lifting a fast paced banger. That still has melody in grew sounding new and old at the same time the innovative sampling in production. Like at worthy of all the awards received in my opinion was Atlanta city. Thomas this last as mentioned at the top. I'm leaving out literally hundreds and hundreds of samples and songs simply because there isn't nearly enough time to go through. Every song has sampled the ISO brothers. But hopefully this was enough of a primer for you to fully appreciate their impact on music. I'm sure they're discography. We'll be sampled for decades to come as new artists attempt to insert themselves into this piece of hip hop history. You can find me on twitter and Instagram at I dig IT I. That's D I G I t one s t all one word on both platforms and you can find the podcast at simple excavator on both platforms as well if you are enjoying the project please. Rate comment and subscribe on your preferred podcasts streaming service. You can support the podcast for as little as twenty five cents an episode on patriotic. This really helps keep the podcast above board as I go through proper channels to pay for the songs in order to legally use them in the show which cannot have quickly. Several excavator is researched written and recorded by myself and produced by Guy Tannenbaum. The theme song was written and produced by Rama's you can email questions suggestions. Comments and concerns to these sample excavator at gmail.com songs from today's episode can be found on nearly all major streaming platforms and links to the articles and interviews. Referenced can be found in the show as usual. Here's a sneak peek at a song that we'll be looking at next week until then keep on digging arrange came my name is Demon Carter. Aka. And I'm nate. Leblanc two thirds of the crew that host the dead rat pot. Our Third Co host is internationally acclaimed hip hop writer. David Ma as the neighbor. The gross suggests deadline rap. Pod Is a podcast where men of a certain age discuss debate in dissect rap news while we are somewhat classicist in our tastes and grew up listening to hip hop from the eighties. Until now we're also interested in the music's present and future over the past one hundred fifteen episodes. We have been interviewed rap. Legends like Paul Del the Funky Homo Sapiens Onta- Keith. Dj Premier even the Proto rap group. The last poets. Just we also make it a point to talk to writers commentators and creatives shaping the genre. We've interviewed journalists. Invest selling authors like Nathaniel Friedman. Jeff Weiss an of an atom. Man's back and as nate mentioned even though we are products of the eighties nineties. We take time out to talk to some of the most important voices and wrap today groups and individuals like little brother open. Mike Eagle Billy. Woods and rap. If you don't recognize any of those names that's okay because what we love most on this podcast to introduce old school fans of rap music to new music that we know new episodes every week on Thursday we are the dead Bod pod.
NPR News: 12-14-2020 9AM ET
"Live from npr news. Korva coleman the first doses of a covid nineteen vaccine from pfizer and biotek are arriving at specific destinations across the country. Today very soon healthcare workers will start getting. The first of two shots needed to prevent the disease. Benita patel is the vice president of pharmacy services at memorial hermann medical center in. She says her staff is aware that the pfizer vaccine must be stored at temperatures colder than antarctica. Had to purchase ultra-low freezers. We've had to increase our staff. We have to make sure every vile is appropriately taking care of meaning from start of timing it when we literally pulled the ball out of the box to when we close the box separately this week. The food and drug administration will decide whether a covid nineteen vaccine made by. Moderna can also get emergency. Use the vaccine news comes as the united states draws very close to three hundred thousand deaths from covid nineteen according to johns hopkins university the electoral college votes today and by tonight joe biden will be officially president-elect as npr's tamra keith reports the vote will formally affirm biden's victory last month a total of five hundred and thirty eight electors voting mostly in state capitals taking the results from november and translating them into votes in the electoral college their chosen by state political parties and in most states electors are required to cast their votes to reflect the winner of the popular vote in their state. It's a vestige of political compromise at the time of the nation's founding and typically occurs without much fanfare but president trump is still disputing his loss falsely claiming fraud tweeting debunked conspiracy theories and pledging to fight on president-elect is said to deliver a speech after the results are in about quote the strength and resilience of our democracy tamra keith. Npr news the kremlin is denying media reports that russian hackers have broken into us government computer networks as npr's lucian kim reports from moscow. The breach reportedly led the attackers read internal treasury and commerce department emails. Russian president vladimir putin's spokesman denies the reports saying russia had nothing to do with cyber attacks and that the accusations are groundless speaking to reporters in moscow. The spokesman recalled that in september putin proposed a treaty with the united states on cybersecurity with formal guarantees of non-intervention in the other countries elections in the past putin is offered president trump to form a joint task force on cybersecurity. An idea that has gone nowhere. Putin's denied the russian government conduct cyber attacks on the us. But it said it's possible patriotic. Hackers have acted on their own lucian kim. Npr news moscow. You're listening to npr news. The national weather service says a storm is moving into the southeast today. That will bring heavy rain and thunderstorms but forecasters warn a major winter. Storm is developing that will strike the mid atlantic and northeast states by wednesday. A few to several inches of snow could fall from parts of west virginia. To connecticut north carolina could receive sleet snow and freezing rain. The cleveland baseball team is going to change. Its moniker according to a report in the new york times greg. Exxon has this report change at already. Been in the works for the team. Known as the indians since nineteen fifteen before the two thousand and nineteen season team phased out. Its chief wahoo cartoon. imagery on. Uniforms amid increasing outcry among native americans in baseball fans that outcry grew even more this year in the midst of calls to resolve social injustices. There has been no official announcement from cleveland but the times reports that the organization may announce its intentions this week for npr news. I'm gregg clip. Early voting starts today in georgia for two. Us senate runoff elections to republican incumbent. Senators are phasing to democratic challengers if the republicans win the gop will continue to control the us senate if the democrats flip the seats control of the chamber. On capitol hill will pass to the democrats. president elect joe biden campaign for the democrats tomorrow in atlanta. I'm korva coleman npr news.
Ode to the Foghorn: The Sound of the Sea
"A foggy day in San Francisco, a guilt free moment for inside time with cookbook and some teeth. What did you choose? I chose Earl grey classic. I went with wrong depending on where you live in the bay area. Foggy day also means. Foghorns. And that's what's driving this week's listener question. Hey, I'm Alan price hanging up this week with reporter Laura klivans. Hello. And this week's question comes from San Francisco residents. Andy McKinnon. Yeah, that's Andy engine Lou and the foghorns are a constant part of the soundtrack of their lives. They live in the sunset and your beach. So the question starts with us moving to this neighborhood from the Soma, and so we can see the fog's rolling in off the ocean and creeping up the street until our house is completely involved by fog. Shortly after that happens, we start hearing bog horns. Sometimes we can hear one of them. Sometimes we can to sounds like they're different distances from each other. Sometimes even three. It happens when they're awake, which Andy really likes calmness and serenity and when they're sleeping, which for gen is a bit of a shock is that while the purpose of the foghorn is pretty clear to help ships and boats navigate safely through the water, Andy, Jen, still have a lot of questions. Questions, like one, where are these foghorns to how many of them are there? Three. Why we still use them and four or what turns them on since Jenin. Andy, say the sounds of here seem to rarely come from the same place. Let's I find out where are they and how many are there? Sounds like one of us is going to have to go out into the fog and do some reporting. It's going to be me, isn't it? Yeah, it's you. Let's go to year Boyne island, right in the middle of the bay bridge with John Sherwood. He's a petty officer in the coast guard, and one of his jobs is to maintain foghorns and other signals that are essentially the road signs of the water. We're looking at a chart of San Francisco Bay. The point Benita lighthouse is the entrance to San Francisco Bay. It says that there's a horn there. Sure. Woods map shows eleven foghorns that the coastguard operates in the bay. We have horns located at point Benita your one on Alcatraz island angel. They have different sounds and play different intervals. So if you hear it in the fog, you know which point of land is nearby. We walk out into the parking lot, a place full of twenty foot long metal booties on their sides. So the area that we're in right now is one of the coastguards buoy depots. They restore Billy's that have been taken out of service for for different reasons and then put them back into the field. Turns out, foghorns are not the only sound makers guiding ships on the water deeds booties are two, and they're equipped with noisemakers other than horns. These pieces of the gongs here. And you can see obviously used, but they're going to be reused because they'll still make noise when you hit him. And then again, pieces of the whistles here out on the bay. You may hear the bell. Or a whistle all helping ships navigate from land. I don't hear those. I just hear what I believed to be foghorn. It's more likely that you don't recognize them. So who knows? Maybe some whistles are making it to Andy, jen's place and the don't even know they're hearing them. So wait a minute. How many foghorns are we really talking about here? It's roughly thirty including ones operated by the coast guard and private organizations plus a whole flurry of other sounds, and those are things like what we heard from booze. It seems like they're everywhere they are. We've got them on. I Lindsay by lighthouses on bridges and even on ships quite an orchestra. Yes. Okay. Let's take a quick break. And when we get back the answer to Jenin Andy's remaining foghorn questions for our next question about foghorns here are jennen Andy again. Why do we still use it? If we have these highly sophisticated navigational systems? I mean, they have some guesses to generate a feeling of of calmness and serenity in the fog except San Francisco for what it is a foggy city. To answer this one. Let's go up north to Vallejo right by the carquinez bridge to a very, very big books. We're climbing up the steps of gleaming white ship it weighs over ten thousand tonnes ahead of us is captain Harry Bolton, Goldenberg to the United States transhipped Golden Bear. We have a very up on the stack that serve our mascot. My son calls us the bare boat. We were at CS you maritime a university that trains students in the ways of the sea. This cruiser is docked right here in the water off campus going right now, shifts ridge where we'll have. Here in Bolton's command center. He pulls a covering off of two large computers are the latest greatest technology in the world today, the ships radars electric navigation systems, but there's many small boats out there that don't have this equipment. So those little guys, if they're surrounded in crazy, fog still need sounds to help them get around and so way on the fog signals. So if they don't have the equipment, they can avoid hitting us. So in Andy and Jen, can't seem to place where foghorn is coming from when it seems like it's a moving target, it's because it might actually be that a horn coming from a ship. This, we'll be testing the ship to whistle. We'll be testing the ship's whistle. That is all Bolton flips are bright red switch, and we step out onto the chili deck and we wait. Jumps you jump just like you jumped most. People do jump on the when they hear desert shop. It does show that was loud. I can't imagine what would be like to stand right next to one of those guys. Well, it's funny. You should mention that because our listener, Andy actually has a secret dream that you can volunteer to put a foghorn on your house and when it's foggy, you can turn it on yourself. And that brings us to Jenin Andy's last question which was who, or what turns on the buckhorns. Now, a lot of fog horns, these days are automatic. Like on angel island, there's a foghorn that has a sensor detecting particularly in the air and if there are a lot, the fog horn sounds but some even some very important foghorns like those on the Golden Gate Bridge require a human to flip a switch or press a button to go check this out. Let's meet up with Mario thereto her. That's him doing a foghorn impression. He's really good. He should be. He's been working with the Golden Gate Bridge district for almost thirty seven years. The Golden Gate Bridge has five foghorns total two of them face out towards the ocean and then to face in to the bay. And then one is backup. Thereto says, when the foghorns I blasted after the bridge opened in the thirties, there's a lot of complaints by citizens of San Francisco because they were kept awake. They're pretty loud. They run a hundred and forty nine decibels and by the threshold for pain, when you hear a sound is one hundred and forty decibels. So the people working on the ridge redirected the foghorns more towards the center of the bay and Alcatraz prisoners were complaining that it was interrupting their sleep, but those complaints were pretty much ignored. So the foghorns stayed that way. So let's go see this classic foghorn the type that comes up as a favorite. When I ask the nautical experts, it's the foghorn that literally. Moves you. If you're standing next to it, vibrate, your bones to get there. We have to go down to injured and forty feet through a secret door that if you've ever walked across the Golden Gate Bridge, you have passed and likely not noticed. Then we squeeze into a tiny elevator inside the south tower of the bridge. Would you say this size of phone for by three? Let me scramble out. We are just forty feet above the bay waves. This is amazing. As as you can see, we're on the south tower. We had original air tank. The foghorns that was put in here in nineteen thirty seven, and it rusted out about a year ago and we got to new pair tanks. So they work by pushing air through the mourns. Yes, Dan, I or one hundred twenty pounds daddy or is pumped to these tanks from a building right by the bridge toll booths. Here I got. I got some bridge money here. This is people throwing money off of my Geigy. Wish it lands on the on the concrete. This is so exciting. This is quite a view. Do you feel pretty special? You have this job? Yes, I do. It's nice being the middle of the bay. Yeah. And then so this is the fog on. Great here with the five horn, it's beautiful. It looks like a four foot long international orange tuba, and it really is beautiful. So if it were to go off right now we'd be we'd be you'd be. We shove neon earplugs in and thereto radios. The engineers real people sitting up in that office right by SF bridge, toll plaza to blow the foghorns and the way they operate something very old is through something very new. A touchscreen monitor while it's not foggy in the slightest. They do it for me for you for Andy, Jen. How do you feel? Are your questions answered? Yeah, definitely. I'm sorry, missed out on the field trip. That sounds really cool. We can't volunteer to put it on our house. That's like the biggest bummer of everything. That's too bad for Andy. Yeah, but I think Jen may actually appreciate it. You know when she's trying to sleep. All the parts of my body like any part with fed on it. Just five rates. Andy McKinnon and Jen. Lou. Thank you so much for your question and to our three experts on the sounds of the sea. Thank you. You guys were awesome Laura klivans. I had so much fun today. Thank you. Thank you. Lydia, we just put a new voting around up on bay. Curious, dot org. Here are your options. They're always turns of large oil tankers anchored out in San Francisco Bay. What are they waiting for out there? How long are they? There are some permanent, how the birds notice swarm at the end of giant's game at AT and t. park. I'd like to know why is it so hard to get stolen bikes back to their owners? What else can we do head on over to bake curious that org and cast about for which question you want us to answer next. I'm Alan price few next week. The mindshift podcast is back just in time for the new school year. Check out a new season of stories that dig into innovation in education. 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