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No Time to Die DECLASSIFIED

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No Time to Die DECLASSIFIED

"Hello and welcome to spy. Hearts de classified. I'm agent scott in can the provocateur. And we're here to bring you our latest intel straight from mysterious spa network but remember this information. Strictly for your is only cam. It's finally happened. We've seen no time to die. I thought we were here to do venom to let there be carnage. You've seen that from my haven't yet. And i'm not sure i want to go. But the reviews hilarious but we need to talk about this film. It's been awaiting his fears. I'm not using my venom notes. Not not fair enough now. Tom hoti talking to himself Not until he could become the next right well. Well i don't get argument. Sorry if you're a. Tom holiday stan. Please stop knocking happen. He's he's aged out but yeah. Yeah but you know the film that has been eluding us. Thanks to pandemic delays not-i'm to die the final daniel. Craig film his talk about it now as declassified our off the cuff quick thoughts from seeing the film is not a full episode. When talk about the nautilus to really just our role thoughts about until and because this film is having a gradual delayed release. Russia gonna do this episode in two stages suburban style off the news spoil section so low. We know spoilers will just be al thoughts about the film. And then we'll go into a spoiler section later in the episode which will let you know way ahead of time will also lead time indexes in the show notes. You can skip right to that if you want to but cam. I sold this a week ago because i'm in the uk you sort yesterday. No time to die. How you feeling i i wanna know about you. I because you've seen it. I believe twice now right And you have had this bottled up for like a week. While i sat here like an idiot. Big little haven't seen it yet. So you were just exploding. You couldn't wait to talk about it. Let it all out. What did you think i wanna know. Okay all right all right all right. I think this was probably the best final bond film they've ever made in terms of completing the arc of a bond if you look at diamonds of forever if you look at if you to kill diana the day awful compared to this that being said is probably not my favorite bombed phil listen choices. They've made in the film. I'm not so much fans Some bigger ones in smaller ones. But overall i think i think it's a good good film. I i liked the completion of the ox. They setup inspector actually pay things off which is a rare occurrence even for daniel craig's They will sometimes drop things and you know. I walked out of the cinema mostly happy. I had some gripes in. And that was about it really. It didn't blow my socks office. Both did your opinion change at all from first. Viewing the second. I was actually probably further down on the film when i saw a second time. I think seeing the first time in. I'm max. bfi in london. The biggest amax screening. Europe really added to the majesty on her majesty's of seeing it old and the emotional catharsis finally seeing no time. I was quite an emotional experience. There's a scene in the film. The actually go emotional experience out with newish Thing i've ever done with a bomb zone before except maybe on him. Actually secret service I definitely wept at the end of die another day because it was over. I was so happy. I made it through. I will die another day. I could learn to like it if i had the time. The second time i found out we saw sitting there critiquing things mall which may be good or bad thing. But i'm glad i on my story. I came out feeling mostly positive spiked to some of our listeners. John david Places meet both. They're showing that was a good experience. In communal bond experience everyone there was was there to see bond and they wanted to whereas the second time i a went with my partner hannah. It was more of a general movie going audience. I think and i was sitting there kind of almost like with my notepad out and being didn't like that within like that so but anyway together. I think i enjoyed the film. More than a handful of the craig films. I think is the best final Out i had some problems with it. But i enjoyed it. I think it's Pretty good bond too. But i can't i need to know i've been waiting for a week to what using about it. Because your bigger boned fan out. I would say you're the guy that was watching it since us. Tell me tell me. Yeah so i guess i'll make a couple of notes before i really give my opinion just to drag this out just a couple extra god. I think they do sort of inform everything. I'm going to say though Number one whenever. I go to see a new bond film. I find myself struggling internally through the first viewing trying to align this with my long. You know adoration for the franchise. It's always this feeling of like. Oh this did something strange. How do i feel about this. I often find it a very almost stressful intellectual exercise. The first time through and i was talking to my sister after the movie last night with her as well as tyler who guested on our three days of the condor episode and i was saying to her. I don't think i have walked out of a bond movie in theaters confident in my comprehension. As to where it fits within bond cannon in my head since tomorrow never dies. I remember walking out of goldeneye struggling. Like oh i don't i don't know about brosnan like i don't know how i feel about him. In comparison to the bonds. I've seen before tomorrow never dies. I was one hundred percent on board. And i wonder if that's actually makes. I wonder if that actually makes a lot of sense. Because it's one of the most kind of hit the beats of the bond formula of the last twenty something years But i remember world is not enough. Die another day all the craig's walking. It'd be like okay. I'm going to need to really think about it so to follow up on that point. Also say my first opinion is a real flexible. Like it's good. Change a lot. And that i would honestly say to people who are concerned about reviews for any bond film. Don't stress too much about opening week bond reviews because as we see recently people are having reappraisals of quantum of solace at finding a lot of things they really liked about that movie bond movies change under majesty's secret services now one of the most beloved bond films of all time that was not the case back in the day so i'm looking forward to revisiting no time to die and i'm sure my opinion will be more fleshed out later down the road but i really enjoyed this movie. I sort of sit where you are where it doesn't to me tops Casino royale And i think i would also place it under sky fall but i do think it's a very confident movie. It has incredibly well directed sequences and it had a lot of baggage. It has to pick up a lot of threads of specter and i actually like spectre more than a lot of other people. It's one that just all of the The lead up to no time to die. You just see comments everywhere people being like. Oh god how could it ever resolve the horrible specter. I liked a lot of specter things. I don't like. I don't care for the blofeld stepbrother. Stuff but i have a lot. I enjoyed that movie but this one had to go in and just deliver on lot of build up. The people didn't connect with. And i think it did it to the best of its ability. I think in terms of continuing on these stories of madeleine swan and blow fell. It actually had the invested in what was going on and pulled into all new story I think there's some big picture themes i want to tackle as we just continue the conversation but a thought in terms of thematically. This was a more interesting on movie than many others. I appreciate that it as you said it takes them wild swings. I don't know how much of that has to do. With just the fact daniel craig's a producer on this film and he wasn't particularly overjoyed Coming off of specter about coming back and just that they really hit to promise him a movie that was going to not only pay off everything he's done leading up to this but also take him to places he's never really gotten to explore his bond that something that not many bond actors of had the ability to do to have a pretty significant amount of creative control and so i think you see that throughout this movie and it is a big movie. We all know it's long that has been well trumpeted that it's almost three hours. You know it's over two and a half long respond film ever but it is a big dense movie. That when i walked out my brain was like jelly. It was like okay. It was not bombastic like sitting through a three hours transformers film or something like that. It's just a lot of story a lot of details and a lot of pay offs that it's definitely gonna require a lotta viewings going forward. I'll pick up on something you said just to ask you a little more about it. And that is its runtime. Which is one of the notes. I had basically how i wanna do this. Known spoiler sanction. It's just pick out some likes and dislikes. We had known to specifically about Things like that but characters moments without touching on the to deeply. But you know one of the things i actually liked is despite having a long runtime. Longest run time in history. It didn't feel it no. It was paced incredibly well. And you know. I think of like christopher nolan doing the dark knight and that's mu that's like two and a half hours and it flies by this one incredibly well paced and you know there's been shorter bond movies that felt slower looking equal to massalas barrel through pretty quickly okay. I'm glad we're on the same page about the runtime. Maybe i'll just a couple of things i liked and you can save agree or disagree relating talk about lows. The fussing i have to throw out is its side characters So we're talking with talking. Sean lynch will get into specifics. Won't they do in the film necessarily But they both worked for me. I was a big fan. Especially of an as paloma hotan in the film gave it some of his moments for me agreed. I think it was a fantastic actor. I think the the action scenes that she contributes to some of the best in the i agree Everything involving her and bond was like the highlight of the movie for me. Like i really thought that stuff was really strong and eat really to me. Shows i don't know how conscious they are of the failings of specter. There's that being bond special where they talk about recognizing the issues. They had with quantum. But they don't really comment on specter at all but to me. I just look back at when they cast monica baluchi in that film and There was a lot of excitement because monica baluchi was an actress. Who i think a lot of people felt would be really appropriate for the bond world in when she was cast. People were like halley. Ilya it's happening and then blah like what do you get out of that performance right like there's nothing there and you know on dharma's you know. She's not credited near the top of the list but it she's a supporting character and i think there's always that concern that they're just gonna kinda pop them in there like there's recognizable actor. Like they did with monica bellucci and they've done many many many times in the history of bond where they take supporting characters and they become iconic purely because they're in a bond movie but what really did they do and you're movie will always be better if you're characters all pop. If they don't your movie may not be bad but it will be brought down a little bit at least and that's one thing. I thought the supporting cast in this movie. Great attention was paid to making sure every character really worked and the audience would walkout remembering exactly who they were kind of jumping off. What you said like supporting cast not just a bond allies but like henchman Think of the craig era henchman that the villains have they are almost all entirely forgettable Hincks played by batista's pretty fun. He has a really great fight scene. But his gimmick is really underutilized with like the blade gums. And you just don't get a lot there and like there's a character in this movie played by delhi. Ben salah who. I'm not going to give away his gimmick for the people that haven't seen the movie but he's kind of a classic bond henchman and they make him not a particularly conversational character but he's very distinctive. He's very memorable and they have fun with him so again. It's the takes a little moments in the little characters that if you just boost them so they all have energy. The audience walks out way happier. I i don't think i'll ever forget elvis's half from consular that's the thing it's like. You got elvis. You've got I don't know like la- schieffer had some side gunes but none of them are particularly memorable Silva it's like i guess. His main one is the do that bond fights in the building in front of the big neon sign. I guess that's probably number. Two of that movie is missed a white. The number two in casino royale not really not a henchman. He's more of a mastermind type He's agrees very distinct character. So i would definitely say in terms of second tier bond villains through the craig era. He's pretty great. But by and large it's been a pretty forgettable bunch especially when measured against the bonds of the past like whether you're more dalton connery. They all had very distinct henchmen. What about you like that you have. Yeah well while we're talking about the cast. One thing that i find very frustrating on revisiting specter over the years is look they cast an amazing ensemble as the six crew. You know like naomie harris. Ray fines rory career. You have great actors there ben wishaw and because they'd hired really top tier talent. They were like crap. We have to give them something to do. It wasn't like the old days where they cast You know a working actors gave them a couple of days onset lois maxwell desmond llewelyn who are very iconic but they never had a lot to do they would just get a couple of days shooting and that was you know if if i get satiated bond fans just seeing them. They're just giving them that brief appearance. But when you cast all stars like this you got to do inspector to me. That one gets a little frustrating. Where i'm watching this whole side plot. Scooby doo gang. Having to solve the mystery of who is c- You know who's working at my six. It's just not that interesting to revisit I what i liked about this movie. Was it tied everything to do with them. Organically into the bonds story. So it felt like an ensemble bond film where bond was never overshadowed. I thought that was hugely effective. In terms of employing cast eight eight seventy could have been in the albatross around the film's neck weights the drags it down the baggage. And he's got to. I said this being the best final bond film diamonds affirmed didn't have any white literally had no white. Also what is the final connery bond. Is that that. Never say never again. I don't even know or is it your twice. You'll live twice. Oh because yeah before of Before on her majesty's yeah like the connery connery's kind of messy. I've never really no what to make of the ticket to die another day. Then if there's no baggage from the previous films no and yet it fails. yeah so. This film managed to juggle all of those Bowls in the air Which we weren't talking about now grand spoil the section but it sticks that landing certainly Doesn't drop any of the bowls eve. It gives them will nice little homes a pays everything off. I think ties everything up relatively well. I mean finales in history a hard to do tv Film sagas Look at the hobbit films. Lost one is absolute trash asia but the last one is absolutely terrible is really hard to stick that landing and satisfy everyone think that side of things. This film does that. Yeah and it does it in a way where it doesn't feel messy because a lot of these can't feel really sloppy. The one thing was. I'll say i'm not going to give any details regarding the villain other than to say. I thought he worked for the movie but he was a little underwhelming in comparison to what's come before but on the flip side i would say blofeld I walked out of specter being like okay. I love christoph waltz. I mean he's an amazing actor when he's really honed in on his material ineffective they were under serving him here. I felt like they actually delivered. A blow failed who hit the heights. I always hoped with for that character. When you look at the history of blow feld. And i mean pre waltz blow always kind of a disappointment. They built him up a lot. And you kinda don't get a lot of payoff to him. You know what. I mean other now. Donald pleasants trying to kill a cat is voice fun but they build them up there and they just kind of sneaks on the go kart or whatever and you're like okay welfare dot gov shows up in on her majesty's kills tereza bond and then we get diamonds are forever where he's like clothing himself and being really goofy. It's like you never get full satisfaction regarding blofeld in. I think this will be correct. That finally i will also say the charles gray in full drag gives me full satisfaction to me too. Well yeah that's why it's number one bond film. I'm glad i'm i suppose i want to have onto some things. I dislike Briefly touched on and actually is kind of what you just mentioned. is the main antagonist on. We can say he's This is not a hidden thing. I i feel like. He works for the film. Like you said but. I don't think he's going down in history as the best bond villains i think is a identity Minutes from him in the film particularly well end a big part of that is despite this being a two hour. Forty three minute movie he features into it very little. Like he's a character who disappears for like forty five minutes at a time almost And you can only make so much of an impact when you're doing that and you know this has been very clearly the end of the daniel craig bond era and you want to go out on a villain who i think is kind of that exclamation mark at the very end of the era. And i don't know that he's an exclamation. Mark is more of a period. Like you're like okay. He delivers what i would hope from a bond villain. But he hates silva he ain't lucifer. He's not someone who. I walked out of the movie with a really strong sense of them as a bond antagonise for the ages. Yes i i suppose service before the film is is where we would just leave out on. He works but i wouldn't seek out to watch more sapna wouldn't be calling for a second prequel. No no not at all. what about you. Something you disliked. It's not something. I think that for me. One of the issues is this movie. Really doubles down on the madeline and bond relationship and coming up of specter like. Those didn't have a lot of chemistry. At least as far as i felt it in specter and here. I think it's an improvement. I think madeline character has been i. I know phoebe waller bridge was brought in to help. Write this film. I don't know if they had her work on some of the relationships in female characters but if she did i think they did wonders with where it was a character. I genuinely eve something for by the end of the movie but the relationship with her and bond something. I have struggled with when i look at whether it's on investment or bond tereza in the past the madeline baldwin. Never had that sort of crackle to it were. I was invested as i wanted to be. That could change in future. When i revisit the movie but on a first time going through it last night it still left me a little like it's fine but it doesn't connect the way i feel like it should. I doesn't agree with that. I found i agree in the point. I think they didn't work together. In inspector i whether it was do or there was no chemistry between the two them. I know daniel. Craig had a bad time filming specter of the broken leg. I believe ankle. Something like that Probably quite grumpy guy to be around. I think i think she up to a game. I think he upped his game in this film. And i think it provided some drama between the two of them and i felt i mean this is some stuff. We'll get into later in in the in the review but i felt the increase in both of their games to try and get this love story over. I bought it in the so my i never had a problem with it yet. Like i definitely agree. They boosted and worked on it a lot like it was very clear. They wanted the movie to really hinge on just the relationships they built up over a the past movie and that was a problem coming off of specter. They really had to work for it. And i do think it was a massive increase in quality in terms of their material together. But i just again. It's just more of a connection. Thing i just. I don't quite buy into it. But i say that now. Don't know how i'll feel after a couple more viewings i've had to so maybe it will come around on the second one. The last major dislike. I have with this film. Maybe it's not even major actually might be slightly minor but it's the film's reliance on the past. And i don't mean tying up the the craig story. I i think it needs to. Do i have no problem with how did that. Oh how delivered. I think it did it really well but there are some things in this film. The hawkin back to previous bond films. I think it may be overplays. Its hand I can't really get into much further without spoiling stuff. So i'm sorry. I'm being quite vague. But this is i understand the sixty nine advisory next year. You think of a diner day had that room with all the references and things like that. There is a room like that in this film. Actually if you pay close attention to but the other things is filmed does from from the soundtrack to dial choices to moment choices i still like It's not like the it once. They do several times with the same reference is like hey remember this a whole member burberry saying i got it. I got the nostalgia the first time you said it. I didn't need to hear it again. Yeah like i know exactly what you're talking about it didn't faze me too much. I liked how this one walked a line between the classic in the new like it feels very much like daniel craig bonfield film also echoing the classic bond elements that people really know that fans love But the reason. I feel like it gets away with it. Maybe more than i might hold it against. Different movie was because the craig era such a closed continuity It doesn't feel like anything to do with the other bond films that i'm okay with them. Echoing a pass movie. I think i tried to weirder if you know pierce brosnan's third movie so was like riddled with like a theme music. And what have you. Diamonds are forever. I would find that more jarring. I know the daniel craig films make made a choice to almost be their own continuity of Judi dench that's fine. But they really want to do pioneer in the runway. By the time we get to this film. This isn't a spoiler the trailers but does paintings of previous ends. Yeah i feel like you can have your cake any an i i that i just bumped. I suppose that's all it didn't ruin the film for me. I'm not saying and minus five stars but it just is like why do you wanna go. That was a choice. That was a little strange because they have the paintings of the former ams in In world is not enough But it makes more sense because that's all an ongoing continuity Here it's a little strange where it is very closed off. I don't understand when those m.'s took place. I don't understand the timeline of the craig era in relation to other bond films especially when you have blow field in this film so whatever i'll take it is just a little tribute but it doesn't make sense in my head at all but yeah maybe i'm nitpicking Fans do and this is just. This is just the declassified declassify white till we review properly. yeah okay well. Before we throw you to the spoiler section cam of any final likes dislikes end. You want to throw in Up to say like big picture. I think this is be a really interesting movie. Long-term to talk about. I think fans are gonna be divided on it. I think there's going to be people that are really angry. Added or you know. There's a lot of traditionalists who have had issues with some of the crater. I've definitely bumped up against a number of things the craig has done. Even outside of spector. I remember walking the fall with some hesitations about it at the time. in this one is no different but i think when we look at bond films this one is a little richer the way people are looking at quantum now in terms of what our four-star was doing with say the four elements in the movie. People are going to look back at this one. And some of the themes it's tackling and be like ha- like this was a much richer text than bonded ever aspired to and we'll see if that continues in the future when they you know recast bond and do ever going to do in the next handful. I have a hard time imagining the them doing the same thing as here. I think what you've done a character. Arc like this Like i don't know how you do that again. Like i'm wondering if we do revert back to something more episodic but within this series This one was pretty interesting. I think it's more interesting than a number of the others in in this. You know craig five film series. I think the one thing. I've learned from having to wait a week to talk to you about this but wade out there among the fans that have watched it and had to discuss it with several. The word springs to mind is polarizing. Yeah Decisions maidens film. That will anger some purists. And maybe not pure as maybe just general smog. They weren't understand the choices iphone down on the. I'm a fan of most of the choices. I think and i'm a fan of the film. I think it was had more good than bad. And so i enjoy my viewing of it. I'm glad i finally got to see. It was worth the wait to me in. Yeah i felt the same way right. So in that case we're gonna for over to the spoiler sanctions if we're going to give you a five second countdown and then come back in just not okay. Spoil the section. You have been warned. This is your last chance to turn off the podcast and watch no time to die because wig spoil everything away. We go camping identity. We can continue without the talking about it. There's no buried lead. Yeah bones dead. I thought this was a this. This choice didn't surprise me at all because you know we open. You acknowledged it in the You know in the non spoiler section that this movie pays a lot of mosh to pass bonds specifically on her majesty's secret service where we have music from the film we have early on bond saying we have all the time in the world that was actually supposed to be used actually the original script. I believe spectrum was supposed to end with him saying that so i thought it was interesting. They carried it over here so to me in that moment susie said it i go okay. He's dying because they are not gonna kill another blonde leading lady like they're not gonna do that to make bond feel something like you can't frigid another character. I think they did. Vesper enter as a really well in those films. You can't do it with madeline. it just gets repetitive. So i knew in that moment like that was it for bond. I con pretend to be this magical. Wizard who can predict things. I had a feeling that this would be the end of him. As a culmination of the arc finishing off on. And i don't know how they would have done bond riding off into the sunset with daniel craig. 'cause it would have always been the question of waters where i think. He wanted that finality of death. So when i heard that line. I didn't think it didn't trigger me to think anymore. So it's interesting. You hear that line made you think he's dead. Yeah and plus music used throughout. I'm like okay. We're building to something. And that's what they're gonna do. I honestly do wonder now. I hinted this in the non spoilers that he's a producer on this and one of the things to get harrison ford back for force awakens was finally. He was able to kill han solo. Like you really want to do that. And if you're a bond actor in year hesitant about doing another bond movie and you'd say i'll come back. If i can kill bond and they say okay that's gotta be for as an actor really exciting because no one's ever done that and it's unlikely they'll do it again anytime soon. It's the classic. Leonard nimoy spoke in contracts around kong. I'll come back if you kill me. Yeah and he gets to play a moment that no bond actor has ever done to do before. So that's i mean. I can totally understand just as an actor nothing. I'm an actor. But i understand how he has. An actor would be hugely excited about that. Let's just hope in the next bond film. He doesn't turn off as a force coast. It's really interesting to me that this five film series which began as a I mean it's pretty. Closely linked influence wise to batman begins and sky fall is very closely linked to the dark knight so much so that sam mendis was talking about on the press rounds how much he loved the dark knight and That movie maps over dark knight pretty closely and to me. This felt in a lot of ways like the dark knight rises. It was quite long You have a hero. that's retired. You have the death of that character. You have in this film em in that film. Commissioner gordon Reading out passages from a book over memorial to the character You have a village who appears in that film in kind of his unsatisfying in some ways like it feels like they kind of fall. Second nature also huge focus on the ensemble and the elements that have come before whereas you bring Google back in dr knight rises here. You're bringing back. You know all the blofeld balance swan stuff ties to vesper. it really did feel like whatever. The bond movies aren't going forward. They won't be modeled on the christopher nolan playbook the way that this section was like these five films. That's what makes these very distinct to me. Now i mean. I've got my theories and what they're going to do next but i don't want to dive into that. I think that could be a whole. Yeah our discussion of what we want from it. But i think to just how do you feel about than killing bond. You are you. Because there's a lot of people outlet. I've heard them. They did not like it. And they. I mean you could say that fleming pure At this point what is the fleming purist at sixty is removed. Yeah but killing bone to me isn't a big deal. I think the i think the film should live in their own continuity from each born to another right i was never a big fan of the changing the actor and recycling stories but pretending the same lineage Deal that we had for the first twenty films personally. I like this guy. Killing stop fresh. You've got robert. Pattinson playing the batman. Now ben affleck. Since playing batman and we'll will find with the I'm happy with him dying. I haven't got a problem with it. What about you. No problem whatsoever. I think thematically it makes so much sense in this movie a lot of this week about time and the passing of a generation and you have not only bond felix dies in this film you have blow fell dying in the film essentially we are paving the way for the future and that there was. I believe a line that judi dench set up. Possibly my mind's a little fuzzy on this but there was a line about doubles no bond set double owes. Don't have a like a long life expectancy and we see that this lifestyle. You're not walking off into the sunset. And this is a very linear story for the daniel. Craig bond. It's not restarting every movie. Like it did with the past bonds where we saw bond in two thousand six versus now is a very different place. In that character is not going to settle into retirement. Happily things are always going to be trailing him. We find out in this movie that he has a child With madeline and you see a lot of other themes in this movie about children born of violence both the villain madeleine were raised in environments of violence and it did mark their lives forever. And i think bond being alive would actually potentially damn this child's life. So i think thematically this is really fascinating. It's doing interesting things. And i think the debt is entirely supported by those choices. Yeah i i have no issue with any one thing people have said about the death is just how contrived it is of how they set it up. But that's just how you write films okay. They created the virus to infect on with the virus so he couldn't get back to his kid and ilias to do. That's fine how you write films you you you write foyer ending the payoff. Is there an having him blowing up in this fiery bull. that's fine. i have no problem with him dying that way. I wouldn't want him to go out like in a gun shop. Yeah i wanted to go off in an explosion. The there was no way to come back without killing his family. He had to die at that moment. Anti did and i think it it worked in the film and it worked as a as a closing point his ach. I was happy with it. And i mean cary joji fukunaga is an incredible filmmaker like. He's just he made incredibly visually beautiful. Here and bonds debt is really cinematic. It's a beautiful moment I can't complain if you're gonna kill a character this is how you do. It doesn't feel unearned It really delivers and yes. It has a finality that is You know. I said the dark knight rises. I compared it obviously batman escape. That situation batman died. Bruce wayne lived here. We don't get that sort of you know a bond doesn't get to escape at the pierre. Although i was convinced that he might i was still hanging on that. I thought he might but i'm more than happy to have that finality that stamp on it. And just say that's the craig era. Take it early. And i know as we move into You know the next bond and whatever that as soon as we cast the next bond and that series starts rolling people start throwing pebbles the daniel craig films. It's destined to happen the way that people started picking on the bras movies as soon as the craig. Movies launched. that's just part of you. Know that's the whole picture of bond fan of just in general but i just i i would prefer if a bond movies go kinda crazy and this was crazy. It's really weird. This movie's really weird That it commits to some big ideas that we're gonna talk about many years to come. I just have a cinematic comparison with the dog. Knighton end the my saga. I suppose it's cold the one. I wrote down when i did my second. Viewing i've noticed since i've had these notes written for a week to talk to you about this was logan. Yeah you know you got the old man again. he's retired. He's the superhero and he goes down in a blaze of glory defending his child. And i think a lot of people agreed. Logan is fairly perfect. film Was one of the best in terms of superhero films. And i think that's kind of what bones terms have become at. This point is superhero films. And you could not for better exit. Know the one thing. I have an issue. This is something that i brought up was the villain Sophon in this film is it or safin. I keep getting a mixed up. It's very difficult to pronounce name. Full name thank you pronounce it properly. It's like lucifer satan but my okay. It's athen will record. Sophon sure sure Very almost biblical sounding name. It's a pretty funny. Actually but this character i think in a different movie. I wouldn't necessarily be bothered by him. I'd be like well you know. He's he ain't goldfinger but find. I struggle with the idea of this is the villain that killed bond. It's this guy you know it's like i appreciate that. They don't play him as cartoonish. He's actually an incredibly load some villain. I think when you look at silva there's a charisma there Lucifer he's very charismatic. Mads mikkelsen you. Just he's magnetic to watch whereas like Safran he's unpleasant to watch like there's a gross factor to this character. That's kind of rare for bond films who like to plant their villages a little more comic book. This guy's really creepy. And i liked it. They had a whole garden of death which was brought from the. You only live twice novel. I just wish they'd done a little more with that gardanne. If you've got a death guard dammit you better use that death garden. But he's someone who. I like all the little bits around him. Just it bothers me that he's the guy kills bond. I'm also i should note I didn't bring this up in the things i didn't like before. It was a little too spoiler. But i felt like his plot His whole genetic engineering viruses. Um was a little confusing Especially in the payoff as to what was going on when he had the cracked violence hand. I as i said. I went with the you know janine in tyler from who appeared on the show all of us had different interpretations as to what had happened at the end. There a took my second watch to clear that up. Actually it was something. I'd noted it is very fos and it's not well explained in in you have to sort of figure out okay. He's been infected and then he kind of tells you at the top of the staff sequence But yeah i suppose. I had a problem with the camera. I as i said in the known spoiler section and carrying over to here is he has no menace. I never felt fear He isn't who entertaining to like in terms of bone villains the really scary or funny alec. Trevelyan is quite scary Jonathan pryce as elliot cover. Is i remember by for those for those things but identing over member seven. It's silva's both. He's both scary and really funny Safran they just don't give him lines like i liked the bit where he says you know. You know mr bond. You and i are the same. We both kill. I just do it a little tidier. You know like things like that. I'm like perfect like that's a good line capable little more but he's just barely used in the movie. A lot of is actually about blofeld. Who i want to say i think bluefields entrance in this movie might be the best moment in the entire film. I that's not my favorite moment really. I mean like there's the action scene with on the army's that's incredible like that is the best action scene in the movie. This movie has really phenomenal action. We should say as well but That blofeld entrance to me was absolutely incredible like that was just pure cinema. That is fukunaga. Just giving us a blow. Feld moment that i think it may be one of my all time favorite blow moments. I'm trying to think right now of when i would rank higher. I thought it was absolutely incredible. I knock you. i'm not gonna say you're entirely kuku. But i suppose it was. It was a fine seemed to me. I mean it's clear. Cary fukunaga hans has his fingers in the hora rail mia. He has a screenwriting credit on it. in the first scene where you meet safran is actually quite scary. The whole mosque behind the door And you said early. His visually interesting director his his visuals stunning the whole stuff in in the woods looks great. The shots in this film stuff in matera in italy beginning to fray title sequence fantastic. It looks great. Some of the best looking shots in maybe of bond which is another kovacs. Maybe on matchdays. In the way. But i i. I got the horrified from the blow failed scenes. Tie back to what you're saying. So maybe that's why it works. Yeah a he's someone who i mean. He's just he's such a visually dynamic talent and he's a very diverse filmmaker like he kinda bounces all over the place. He doesn't really focus on one particular genre but he just seems incredibly good at everything he does so i was actually listened to an interview with him where he said that he was initially like talking to the broccoli's about potentially rebooting bond and Then you just because of that specter period where things were kind of confusing At a certain point he just ended up jumping onto this home. After danny boyle left. Danny boyle was original director of this film and It does make me wonder. And he said this will be was exhausting to make. Like what a beastie said to make it was like seven days a week. No sleep Just exhausting to do but it does make me wonder if he was so intrigued at rebooting bond. If he may be comes back so who knows give them a couple of years asleep and maybe he does but he's someone who. I'm so glad this movie wound up with him because he's a director who so good moments in bond movies. That aren't they all about. That doesn't the overriding plotline. Do they ever really make sense. Look you'll get bond films what's octopussy about. I have no idea. People are still trying to figure that out four years later. I mean you look at the fight sequence of the stairs. It's so like jason bowen in a good way tight it's visceral and you feel it. I that's one of the best scenes in the film and Scenes are action scenes That in the cuba one point to earlier by what spin off onto something. That i wasn't so much a fan of And that is the clearing of the table. I understand why they had to do it. You know killing off felix killing specter but the way they just kind of wipe down specter with a this this magical thing which you mentioned earlier that you want a big fan of i. I kind of disown rolled by Yeah yeah i i felt was a bit cheeky. It was kind of like hi. We spent his ties to film building them up and all the rule dead well. Let's be honest. Spector was a failure and owning the movie. I mean specter. The the organization in this craig arrow was a failure. They want to launch quantum in quantum. Asala you had a really great introduction to that group at the opera scene there were bonds exposing them and then they did next to nothing with them when you get to specter and then you wipe them out here so yeah. Like when they their reboot about. I hope they don't just try to strip mine the past again. It just seems like if it worked the first time slit lie and do something original because silva was based on the existing character and he was incredible. So i don't need to see you know. Pass elements brought forward and inspector just felt like something like. What do you do with them like. They weren't even interesting in the movie spectre when they're exposed like running a bunch of computers at at blofeld headquarters. You're like okay. I don't know Honestly i think they mostly use them here to kill them all off for the sake of making safm look even more dangerous. It's like look this guy so bad. He took down all the specter. I think that's really what their main function is. I think it flops in that sense because it's this magical virus thing. Yeah it's not it's not an actual killer mean you get gruesome way. They die but it doesn't feel like it's staff enduring it it just it just kind of in the isa. I would also wonder to you. And i have seen all the bond films A lot of the listeners have watched the bond films over and over again they understand the history of specter. And why they're so important to a newer viewer. Who's just watched the craig films. Mostly what specter even mean to them like nothing just a ring if they remember that even What about you you wanna bring up into spoil the section Like you touched on it earlier. But like leshan lynch and on dr mrs characters i thought really worked like they were dynamic. They were interesting. They had fantastic action scenes and they felt like fully fleshed out characters so rare for a bond film. Uc you get one really well written female character and then one. That's not so great here. They put focus on writing all of the characters. Like that's so rare. And i don't think that's something detractors of this movie i think should acknowledge at least is that they really went out of their way to write every character and interesting way on mrs character in a different movie and i liked it. They're kind of playing initially almost like you're seeing like the i don't know like the spy version of like plenty o'toole or something and then that's you know that's switches flipped and it's like no. This character is bad ass. And you're gonna walk remembering her action moments more than craig's like really phenomenal work there and it was interesting to us in. The interview is listening to what he was saying. That daniel craig was injured at the time. And she shot almost oliver material with his stunt double and then she had to come back later on because she had to leave something else she had to come back and do a couple of days with daniel craig. So the fact that they piece all that together and it delivers the way it does is just phenomenal. Work for all involved. it seamless. I didn't even know that. I i didn't know this is all. I think. Cuba sequence goes down for me. Maybe with the pre tulsi can some of the some of the best of the craig air or at least compared to the rest. But i will remember that cuba seen for a long time. I think it was so well done. And i think almost knocked out of park. I would love to see her again. I don't think we have a will. But i would love to see her again. Yeah and it delivered character moments. It was funny. It just really jumped out and leshan lynch delivered. Something that i've wanted to see for a long time. I forgot about which was i think. I acknowledged when we talked to a gold mine. I don't remember if it was on our episode when we did a guest appearance on cinema savvy but we got to see in that film to Double o agents working together for a little bit of time very little here. We get to see it full on. And that's something that we've never gotten and leshan lynch plays his character an interesting way. Where a different film would have really underwritten that character or you know. Bond had to rescue her at some point or something. It's like in the world of the craig. Verse doubles are deadly Like they are kind of dangerous. Customers and bond is not the most likable guy. In much of this franchise. And i liked it. Her character had an incredibly tough edge to. She has some good slide jokes in there. Some good lines but like you see. She's a highly focused killer. So you see the two of them going together it really works and we get to see to top. You know double agents working together and it's really fantastic. I will ask the question on behalf of the outraged internet that my civilised thing at this point do you care that she was seven. No because it makes sense that like if he is retired they would keep using those numbers. We've seen Double ohs used over again. Over the course of the franchise. I'm pretty sure we've seen a- double. Oh eight twice or something like that and we've had a female aa before. That's yeah i mean it's in the background but she's that yeah i i will answer. My question also had no problem with it. There's a lot of people writing stupid articles out there about how bowl needs to be a woman now. Bonus never come back who whistle nonsense journalism. That can just go away if you made. But i i had no problem with what they did with leshan lynch character to the point that if they said to me we're gonna do an amazon series by agreement With leshan lynch as 007. Post the death of james bond. Sign me up yet. I mean the thing is 007 only means something to the audience. Not the characters and that was something that really sucked with specter. Which is like the reveal of. The blofeld name is being treated in a way where it's talking to the audience not the characters. It doesn't make sense why the characters would be like oh blow feld. It only means something to the audience. Which is something that lay j.j. Abrams did in the second star trek movie. He did words like he reveals. Khan and the characters like okay like sure and i liked that in this movie. They're just acknowledging like will. It's another number like it doesn't mean anything to us. It only needs something to the audience. I don't like it. When the filmmakers talk to the audience. I understand why. She also him to redesignate doppler seven later in the film Genuine didn't matter. I suppose but smiles on people's faces. I would say it's a bit of an appeasement thing for the audience and it's a sign of respect for that character towards him 'cause they're pretty icy towards each other throughout in it's sort of it helps you get more on board with their team dynamic at the end cabinet so woke up okay. I'm conscious of the link of declassified episode. We're trying to wrap us up now. Cam spoilers involved. What are your final thoughts on. No time to die. Post your first viewing. I think i'm just gonna leave it with what i've said so far and that my mind is still kind of jelly in. I'm processing the movie select. I feel like my take is going to be different down the road but i walked out happy. I walked out excited to watch it again. Which doesn't happen with every one of these eagerly anticipated blockbusters that. I'm really excited to go. See it again and process it because now they know where it's going i can actually relax a little Which with bond films. That's always a little stressful unwise. Wanna know one thing though. I thought the billy isla song worked a lot better seeing it on the theater screen with the credits and everything like that Than it did just listening to it. So you know that's always a plus the credit sequence and the pre title sequence altogether. I think is is some really cracking stuff. Will that the little chasing Terror is made me wanna go there which is kind of what original idea Travelogue stuff was So make you want to go visit. These places probably will try and get that now so it was for me i again. I'd probably talking back to what i said earlier. It's it's a good film. I enjoyed it. I mean you look at i. Think bombed was daniel craig's better performances. I think the guest costs the side characters. Leshan lynch and adamas were fantastic in very memorable. I we haven't mentioned but the score i think is one of the best schools we've had in in quite some time. I've been fighting for like david arnold to come back because i just felt so underwhelmed by the bond scores as of late that i really was like that guy got it. Why are we. Not using him on. Zimmer can have the job as long as he wants so after this one. yeah. I'm walking in. We have old time in the world and some of the stuff was was just great. I think maybe they played the hand too much with it but it was still fun to to relive it. I'm a fan of the film. I will probably try and catch it at the time in the cinemas. this should be seen. I'm glad it wasn't released in hiring released implant. We waited well. They have folks. We have finally seen times dying. We've officially put daniel craig. Today's unfortunately he's been a great bond in many ways in some interesting ways. Maybe not and we're looking forward to actually tackling his his five film journey possibly starting next year stay tuned for that but camp. What are we doing next week. We are tackling nineteen seventy. Three's the day of the jackal. I've seen some debate online about whether this is a spy film and we do discuss that in the episode. I think it's a very interesting espionage. Film a lot to talk about some connections. I think it's gonna be a really fun episode. Absolutely we have jeff over from spyridon dot com to lend some credibility is really. We have known by this point clearly. Well you'll mission. Should you choose to accept. It is to watch the day of the jackal and join us. Next way you can of course. Flores discreetly on social media at spy hans as espy will. I hate a on. Ds on facebook twitter and instagram. But until next week listeners. Just kill james bond.

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You can blame me I had a status Migraine that lasted a week and then I had reprieved for a day and then it came back for a day and then today. I was. Kind of migraine free mostly frills party not headache freak is done kids the. No I mean the the migraine still there it's just dull. So I'm mostly Migraine, free good and the day a special day. It is our it. We're not going to get too mushy into his are the eight year of us since we started dating our eight year anniversary and the eighth anniversary of the day that we. Had our first date just. That was you put a better than I do. So that as a special and on Sunday the day. So recording this on Wednesday today is our anniversary the day we started dating. Sunday, the day after our big episode comes out will be our wedding anniversary six years. So anniversary. So big. Big Week September is a big month for us. We have our. The eighth anniversary of when we first began talking the eighth anniversary of when we first met and had our first date and our wedding anniversary flow. Big Stuff. So let's get to the show. so that's what everybody's listening for. They don't WanNa. Hear our. Family history. So just a couple news things it real quick since we didn't get tube last week I'll talk about the things that get talked about last week. I know allow people waiting for books and a lot of the publishing schedules of gotten pushed off. Supply issues were disrupted per fall publishing. Back in March many publishers rescheduled large chunks of their catalog to fall. To the fall and hope that things would be back to normal but they are not. and. We are entering a very overcrowded season with the extra issue that the two largest printing companies United States are under significant financial straight. LLC Communication declared bankruptcy in April and the company sales fell nearly forty percent in the fiscal quarter that ended in June. quads book printing business is also up for sale and in the spring, the company had to temporarily shut production at three plants due to the pandemic. To add to the strain, there has been unexpected spike in demand for print books with unit sales of five percent comparing twenty, twenty, two, twenty, nineteen today comparing the most recent ten weeks of twenty twenty to the same period twenty, nineteen percent sales up twelve percent. Driven by the demand for blockbuster titles including new books by Suzanne Collins And Stephanie Meyer and Various books on trump. Because there have been a lot. A lot of nonfiction books come out. Trump I'm gonna I'M GONNA. Think that most of it's because people want the Prequel to. Hunger Games and. they want Edwards perspective of twilight more than likely. Yes. But there have been a lot of trump books out some people I am not going to buy but some people do want to buy those and there has been increased demand for older titles on race and children's education books some the older titled on Race We, will cover. On the Saturday Saturday's episode we cover our first black off. So the issue is impacting, reprints of existing books and schedules for new releases, a number of which are moving to a v at very short notice to later seasons, for example. nonce and Pantheon are shifting their release of more than a dozen fall titles including a memoir by the cookbook cookbook author, Deborah Madison and a biography of Sylvia plath also fiction by Robert Harris Martin Amos. Joan Nesbit Alexander McCall Smith and Tom Vessel. So if you're looking for day those good chance that it's getting pushed back Sylvia plath one. I, kind of like to get so he could you but It's all at all that Shit's getting push back a little bit. So if you're looking forward to those. She had the way. Just like everybody's got wait forever that. Make Sense. David Copperfield. Math magician the book. Is Getting a movie. By dove a towel. The. You, know pell. Trying to think of what he was I. believe he was the guy from slum slumdog millionaire I was GonNa? Say Damn Dog millionaire. Well, according to The Washington. Post the personal history of David. Copperfield. I'll it is coming to the big screen. Also GonNa Star. Hugh Laurie. Peter. TILDA. Swinton Ben, wishaw Rosalind Eleazar and Benedict Wong. We all know Benedict Wong as. What was his name again in them long? Weird Abdu, Benedict's and what Wong and his name is also wall. So it looks like we won't be able to see it for a while. because. It is only on a very limited release in. The if you had to guess. Where you're going to do a limited release of a movie. Why would you think you? All. Know it's a, it's the US do a US, a limited U S release of movie. Hollywood. further. East Newark. South of that. The Northern Virginia. I is that were copperfield grew up or some shit well So it's not available for streaming of probably won't be available until twenty twenty, one limited opening such as these are not unusual in the run up to the Oscars, which usually requires films have been released in traditional theaters to be eligible. So more than likely, they're just releasing it in a few theaters that not a ton of people are going to go to just because of the pandemic no point shell out all the money to put them in New York and Hollywood go to a smaller. area less populated. But out theaters air, you're still upper at Oscar but you're not being blamed for trying to put people in the theaters during pandemic but they're opening theaters again now. This was from a you know we can Africa. They were opening theaters longer than a week and a half ago. The should. then. Little. Editorial piece of how late libraries can save the two thousand election. But male imbalance and people are weary about the stuff that the male states rushed to adapt their L. Election Systems amid the coronavirus pandemic officials estimate that eighty million Americans plan to vote by mail this fall twice as many as in two thousand sixteen because the postmaster general newest joys decision to remove or cripple key components of American. Male mail system just weeks before the election day and president trump's open efforts to discredit mail and voting. Millions are worried that their ballots will be counted on time or even candidate all. There are more than nine thousand public libraries in the US in city suburbs, role areas, and small towns and surveys libraries rank among the most trusted institution in America they assist with the Census and offer voter registration service they are open to everyone they are nonpartisan they are free expanding early voting at local branches. Mess may be our best hope for trusted outcome. I mean we have a place where everybody here we live in a tiny town. That everybody got goes to vote. As a big tough. The big ballroom just outside of. But for our cities, you gotta go to all these places that are cramp. Off fucking library. Use that as a voting station then. I mean some people open up their garages and big cities and stuff like that. No but the library is a trusted institution. All sides of the aisle feel comfortable going to it. I there's a lot of people in this town whose houses I would not feel comfortable going to devote. The next door neighbor. Yes and you know that so but most people would feel comfortable going to a library. The if like like with us where you have the of the entire city, go to one building. have. Two of our districts or two of our areas in the city go to lap billing and the to go. Nurse Five. Five with others for fat okay. We'll have three go to the bigger one and to go to the small goal ever. visit, editorial, I thought it. was. Time. Timely. Works. and. Last but not least. Bertelsmann owner of Penguin Random House and harpercollins interested in buying Simon and Schuster. They smell a kind of monopoly. So Penguin Random House parent company Bertelsmann has confirmed that is interested interested in acquiring Simon Schuster once Viacom CBS begins to again actively shop the country's third largest trade publishing house after the pandemic fades shortly after Viacom and CBS merged The newly-formed Company placed s and s on the. Sales Walk. At recent townhall meeting Harpercollins, e O'Brien, Murray acknowledged the publisher was also looking into the possibility of wiring s sources told publishers weekly so. The Biggest publisher and the second biggest publisher. Mike by the third biggest publisher. Well I mean. Her rawlins in number harpercollins. Harpercollins, and Penguin House. They're part of the same. Publishing Company said I mean. But any anytime. We see one of these like independent publishers and go to look at them to see what else they have always takes me to another page, which is either a penguin random house page, a harpercollins bank or a Simon Schuster bay. All I rarely find an independent publisher that doesn't send me to one of those. It's kind of annoying because we want to promote the independent writer of the independent publisher and every time we click on it takes us about. Capitalism is finest. WanNa, do any. If you want to promote indie authors. You. Have to look for one to. Publish themselves and they usually do that online. Try I found some or the course of this is just not as many as I would hope. But. If you are an author and you get offered to be published, are bought to be published by one of these giant. Publishing. Houses. then. That's good for you. because. You're hopefully, your book will get put out there. It's hard to do that with an independent publisher. So it's it's a w you like to see these authors come up give big deals, make a bunch money putting their stuff out there. You also like see the independent publishers make a bunch of money. So. Six, one half dozen the other. Suppose. Okay well, you said, you didn't really have any books that you would see that they're interested in. Now none of the books that I'm wanting are coming out anytime soon, I mean tower of Nero comes out October six. So I still have almost a month. For that. Durand, Jones's books the grave. Dr. The grave digger son, the graveyard shift, not the grave diggers son the graveyard shift is now available on like everywhere and stead of just a few places. which was put on her fan site on facebook. So I mean that's good news but I mean because of the Migraine I haven't been reading lately and I've just now begun research for our Halloween episode that I'm going to host episodes, it will be longer than that yet. Okay well, then I'll just do the four that normally deal and OUT HERE All right. So as always start with our fiction. Followed Daddy. Stories. By Ama- Klein. An absentee father collects his son from boarding school after shocking act of violence. An Anne to a celebrity family hides out Laurel Canyon in the aftermath of a tabloid scandal. A young woman sells her underwear strangers. A Torius guests arrive at a placid, not quite rehab in the southwest. In, ten remarkable stories and McLean portrays moments when the ordinary is disturbed when daily life buckles revealing the perversity and violent violence pulsing under the surface. She explores characters navigating the edge, the limits of themselves and those around them power dynamics families in relationships. The distance between their true and false cells they want connection. But what they provoke is often closer to self sabotage. What are the cost of one's choices of the moments when we act or fail to act these complexities are at the heart of Daddy amick line sharp eyed aluminum action of the contrary impulses that animate our inner lives. It's from Random House comes out in September two, hundred, eighty pages. We. Didn't. It sounds interesting. So it's just a collection of short stories. Yeah. Like night shift from Stephen King just a collection of shorter store. Yeah. Okay. Now, nonfiction most the nonfiction books are about the president and There is even one out that lady put out about her. Rise and fall friendship with Malania trump. So I figured. That I would do one about her. So, nonfiction the little guy to Dolly Parton it's hard to be a dime an rhinestone world. Orange Hippo. The ultimate pick me up to save you from the nine to five. heartbreak loose get it. Yes I got it. The Little Book Dolly Parton is your Bible of devastating Dali `ISMs. Yes. That's right the most iconic and acclaimed female country singer in the history of music is so inventive and brilliant with her clever wisecracks and sage advice that popular culture has crown her with an ISM after her name no one else's work. For more than five decades Dali has been laying down her own brand of whip smart wit wisdom to the world with many quotes quips becoming as famous as her lyrical genius. for which she has one too many songwriting awards and honors to Mench. Stacked to the rafters were more than one hundred and fifty bite-size Bond Ma one liners and rip posts sincere observations. The little book of Dolly. Parton. Is your new favourite life companion. Like. I never think of myself as a star because as somebody once said a stars nothing but a big ball of gas and I don't WanNa be that. Or? The kids peed on me every night. There's so many of us. We slept three four to bed. 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"Everywhere hello again everyone welcome back to big finish audio adventures with my fellow partner in time everyone's favorite partner in time Jesse Jackson how're you doing Jesse one mile down and this is the second in the second audio in the big finish productions and in the blood if you're familiar with those novels I am not yeah I have not explored too much of the doctor who Colgan who if you're a fan of the doctor who novels you probably might be familiar with her she's written the doctor who novels dark horizons I am Great Charles I'm excited to be back in the Tartus with you we're we're tourist this week we century which of course gets a lot of attention and the in the David tennant era and yeah was the little known Gary Right follow up single to dream weaver okay well this is Time River so Dr who the tenth Doctor Adventures volume three set that just came out earlier this year starring David Tennant as the tenth doctor and Catherine Tate going to see the famed sunken city of Atlantis no wait no difference second city yeah different second city Valla Rassie as it turns out in the fifty first as done a noble yeah looking forward to talking about this one this episode this story rather was written by Jenny t storytime river that we talked about back in the day and this one was once again directed by Ken Bentley who directed the first story You next stop everywhere the doctor who podcast I'm your co host Charleston tax back in the hardest once again ready to talk some David tennant a place that we talked about about a month ago as we're kind of working our way through this set and just as a point time weaver a serenity time readers yes I'm in a punish mood this morning apparently you are apparently it's close it's close okay just off by a letter yeah yeah I guess cast this time so it little known spin off movie of and then she's also written for big finish audio she wrote for one of the previous ten Doctor Audios that we talked about here we talked about she wrote the and especially because of Captain Jack Harkness for one but but yeah this we're GonNa what we're going to talk about today everybody here at episode one fifty eight we're GonNa Talk Clo voices the junior executive are junior officer of the Dune who's incredibly cute and we'll new novels was when was the tenth Doctor One was eleventh doctor if I'm not mistaken I haven't read those but I but I know of them Nicholas Briggs who normally does a lot with big finish obviously returns as the Dune and he also plays about Clo- In our third segment today obviously does the voices the dog's Cyberman et Cetera et Cetera. Eleanor Crooks Played Patricia Dir sure or debris Shire and who is the one who is engaged to this one of the Valor Asi and she was in previous big finish stories she played the character Kendra in the big finish audios for the fourth do you think you're so punny don't you all right I wish the audience could see your face it is just like I guess I've just got to put up with this actor Tom Baker called Kill the doctor and the age of suit Tek which is one I haven't listened to yet I'm looking forward to that actress Sir I I would you know I'll put up with anything just to keep talking Dr who absolutely all right all right so guess cast this time and an eighth doctor big finish audio with the lords of terror and character named Lambda Epsilon in another eighth doctor audio in the garden you may recognize her as the hostess and David Tennant Era Story midnight you know the one that Kinda get sucked out at the end and nobody knows famer ricky plays Andrea the main villain of the story now if you're a fan of doctor who the TV series which presumably you are death and she was also in the movie dread as the Chief Judge that was the one with Karl urban which is Dr One called Black Thursday and he also played the alternative chameleon and slash chaos soldier in another big finish audio her name that's who that's that actress Ricky Ayla and she's also in a couple of big finish audios she played character named Paalea in for the fifth doctor the Chameleon Empire and in addition he was also in the alienist if you ever saw that mini series on he was on the TV series he actually appeared in a Matt Smith era episode the Bells of Saint John as a character named Mahler so he tv the TNT mini series. I really liked that one okay and he was in the two thousand seventeen version of Swat Oh drome and the characters are drawn slash Katryn in a eighth doctor audio adventure called Day of the master which is I really enjoyed that one a lot let's see other actors Christopher Naylor Plays Chancellor Pickus and he was in another big finish audio fifty he's been onscreen as well the Elsa played professor Rick and King Maga's Mejia's excuse me in a fifth doctor audio adventure place so last episode we talked about that this was I didn't think much of a story but it was just good get spending time with the doctor Donna and Donna's mom and Grandpa the four of them interacting made it it a lot of fun thought it was light on story but it was okay I thought this one was a better story it really looking forward to listening to once it gets released here in the states and he was also on the TV series the hour which is TV series I really loved that start Ben Wishaw I found it easy to follow and I I also kind of there are two kinds of stories where the guy who plays Q. in the current James Bond films I that's a aired on BBC America for awhile couple like a BBC the plot twists surprised the heck out of you right and then the other time is you see where the story is going and the characters don't topics today I want to get your son just get your thoughts about what you thought about this story and especially compared to our previous big finish audio NFL. I love that Robert Whitelock played garth slash this dual role in this one league you're just sitting there going bad idea bad idea it's it's like saying I'll be back in a horror film yeah I'm three days three the Dune were were used very effectively here for a little bit of humor and it works rather well to balance actors going no no yeah yeah yeah it is this episode like okay you know way back since the titanic this ship can't sync you know anytime a corporate person says what this dome can't break right now we can't have maybe it's just because it's a more traditional doctor who story but it felt more balanced and draws right in it's a typical tyrant yeah yeah really really I liked this episode how `Bout you yeah I'd like this one a lot better than no place typical adventure of like hey the doctor and his companion go to this planet and everything goes to hell and the doctor has to try to help hey the day yeah and it is a very typical episode where you know Donna and the doctor decide to go visit someplace when we get to that topic I've got some things to share about that but it was really the drama of everything going to hell in a handbasket in a story and it just I it was a much more balanced says an actual episode on in Canon or on the TV I know big finishes cannon but the actual good and so yeah I I think this was real done I would've been glad I would have liked to see it on I always it and you have this sense of dread of course I would make the argument that doctor did know what was coming but with the exception of the doctor so are you saying were you screaming at the we like their version of sixty minutes or I mean it was a fictional story set into like the late fifties I believe yeah but really good show if you've ever checked out no I have not that sounds good great drama Grou- okay all right so before we get into our main easily visualize being story all right so let's get to our main topics so topic number one I want to talk about the ten Dr obviously because hey he's the star of the show and I also want a group chancellor pickus and our villain of the story Andrea who of course works for the intergalactic trust and I am the king of untimely references yes so I am going to and everything kind of centers around the characters as far as what happens behind what's going on the real reason along with her what you think of those characters see you know Charles yes as you have been often mentioned to me Dan you know Andrea being the representative of the intergalactic trust Pickus essentially kind of being the leader that ends up having be forced to go then back in the forties and fifties called Tennessee Ernie Ford okay now let's let's let's set the Tartus way back to the fury's yes the reason I group these two together because obviously they end up toward the end kind of early about halfway through the story they kind of get grouped together Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store right and the idea was in this byner communities not only maybe maybe we have to try to give it a little bit of budget to really make it work but but yeah it was one that you could easily it s and he did a song called sixteen tons yes I'm familiar with the Song Yeah Yeah I think it is over and I would have liked to seen this one I think it would have been interesting so I was very happy yeah this is one story that I agree with you I think that could be easily adapted for TV appropriate their culture completely and originally into the Valley racy society and essentially decided to exploit the hell out of it they essentially take it over for why the Dome Ends Up Breaking INCR- in coming apart and I thought it was good do I think real Mac outdated references yes yes yes okay go go for it there is a musician eight a group these together so why don't you tell you what is your take on for the start with Andrea and Pickus and would be able to take stuff on credit they could put whatever markup they want and so you're stuck in a place where everything you needed in culture and decided to like okay let's just turn this into a tourist trap and explore you know the and the doctor eventually figures this out through the course of the story yeah so so what did you think of yeah and so there's a lot of resentment a lot of resentment from Pickus as we find out toward the end of the story really comes out and the decision that they you know they think the end justifies the means right that they decide that now I'm GonNa get really obscure Yes many biblical Dimly Bill Scholars believe that Judas there is often a someone making would they pay you but the only store that was available because you're in such a remote place was the store run by the company and therefore you will the this was an underwater city humans had to come you know wear helmets so that they can breathe underwater to visit the Valor Se city and he said Tongues and in the choruses you load sixteen tons what do you get another day older and deeper in debt yes could accommodate the nice humans air breeders and so completely I lift yeah the firs the other said there's a thank you for bringing that up was provided by the company and they charged you for it right Yeah what does that sound a little familiar on his episode just a little bit just a little bit but once the intergalactic trust got in there they built the dome drain the city and forced the Valerie start wearing helmets. So that the Loyd for all it's worth and the value RASC- will pay us for the privilege of doing so yes that's how they've set this up mandible decision how about you yeah I mean he was a very complex character I mean he starts off being like just at first appearance he dome not knowing of course not her not knowing that he's behind it all but he keeps warrior about it and she's all act this way yes and was banking on that to carry out his plan because if she like if she was more proactive so yeah and so I think that is a very realistic story I think he's it's not a good decision but it's an understood the nonsense from Andrea and the intergalactic trust he keeps trying to warn her. Hey you know we've got these leaks around the AW in the long run this better for my people not a good decision now and and speaking of you know we just talked so that just that just we get from from the story is that the intergalactic trust kind of wormed their way before we hit record watchmen in the original series right Adrian made that decision like okay we're gonNA kind of air-breathing versus watery their culture clash and the air breeders at least the corrupt ones have subjugated the water betrayed Christ to have him lead a rebellion he did not he did not think Chris would actually die he said I've just got to push to do this so this guy is like okay I don't want anyone to die but unless I make things every bad it's never going to get better in a few people die over pickus being revealed as the one who decided to start triggering the leaks throughout the city and to bring the Dome Down just just keep it running somehow I don't WanNa have to deal with it and you know take us meanwhile is going well hey you're having your To-do Woun Goon Squad lock up my engineers so how are they supposed to fix it yeah so presumably pick us knew that she would plan is like okay I'll get myself capture it so I can talk to the people behind this and figure out what's going on yes and so eventually does after being carson once he starts piecing things together about what's really going on here understandably the doctors outraged Oh absolutely wasn't very smart at all no and lets you forget that you know lest everybody forget that we're talking about the doctors well the doctor it'd be the one taking the blame I'm guessing that's that was his reasoning for this I think you're exactly right I mean I thought he wanted to you know he and and he starts getting a little panicked for the doctor he of about it and went like okay yeah let's get your guys will fix this but he knew her so well and knew that she wouldn't that way essentially that she yeah well you know Hey there's no leaks here nothing that can't be fixed you know we just we gotta keep the place running we gotta make and he's horrified by how the city has been exploited sin when he returns with Don yes so he's already pissed off at this point yourself being the kind of the administrator there are the leader of the Valarie that's essentially been has to put up with for a little bit it's free by Clo- and ultimately works his way into Andrews Office yes and figured I'm going to get this going to get people back and do this and it but it's just not very smart right interesting to see him a little nervous about it he wasn't wasn't the you know the guy the smartest guy in the room able to figure everything out but he was he he like he's that guy that you necessarily don't like and you know the doctors talks about that a lot both that that has a the way they distinguishes that you know the the humans are essentially the Furs and Valerie are the thins and so it's I don't see an easy solution about how to save all the air breeders when the rottweilers rushing in and he This was so much better in my day Oh back when I originally saw this this was so much better you know and it's like he's kind of being a debbie once the league start happening everything starts going to hell he gets separated from Donna and ends up going to be you know like e- essentially his the fact that you know that the the you know the android he's obviously not impressed by Andreas callousness and just sheer exploits station of the Valor Esi because we find that we were told earlier in the story that he had previously visited Valla RASC- when it was an underwater city yeah telling everybody Oh he's just an today yeah exactly and so I I thought it was very cool who is essentially there and hates the idea of the Valor Asi and come up with a plan but it nothing's coming to mind and I Donna keeps pressuring the hey you better figure this out because otherwise we're all gonna drown and It was eleven doctor the twelfth doctor on like you know just I'm faking it as I go in this one you know he he tells her oh absolutely aw so I really liked first off I thought he was very I don't know if snarky is the right word yeah convert on the greatness of Donna so it is good to see them back and he is really good in this yeah I totally agree so that's yes keeps making snide comments don is not at all impressed with him but she ends up getting stuck with him in because of the great that's actually a great transition for our second topic so well done thank you So let's talk about intersect topic let's talk about Donna and and also let's talk about Patricia fiscus her fiance her valor ESI fiance and Garth the racist. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA kill a few million people but that's okay in the long run because it prevents will make your war yes yeah he's you know Donna he keeps talking with Donna via phone and he's he's struggling very hard to get to got this going on we're good and then he's like I have no plan I gotta figure it out right He ends up coming up with pretty clever plan of horizon chaotic events in the streets and whatnot so so what did you take on these four characters in the steel I really liked the way they did this is she kept calling him racist but ultimately you know he started doing the right thing a and and you know as long as we she basically buries her head in the sand Andrea does and goes you know this is ever gone to someplace and returned and you're like oh I love this restaurant was here and now it's not the city yes yeah to actually use and we'll talk about this in our last segment user dude yeah there you know often right and it ended became you when they were trying to get the people on Yeah the Dome sled our biggest strength is our biggest weakness and so he manipulates their strength slash weakness to save the day so yeah I I like this a lot yeah love the doctor and Donna as always together they're just they're so much fun together and and you know and I'm a recent even even the racist guy pitched in yeah he and I don't know if he was totally regained but name you can be disappointed but she's looking at it from fresh eyes so I love that give and take between her and the doctor I loved her interaction yes I have the quote Yes yes you know you know I assume oh Christ thinks he at least started thinking things differently right I'm you know I I assume you that and I may be stealing one of your quotes go go ahead donna inner plastic shoes yes try to get as many people on on their as possible rescue and I yeah so I I liked turist and wanting to enjoy everything and just giving junk to the doctor like Oh hush you know I I don't know Charles if God oh and you know oh they used they put in a new road and they destroyed the view or something because when you go back to something if it has if it hasn't stayed exactly Downer to Donna's trip yes he is so much You know a Debbie Downer Yeah Fox News I think you're wearing crop I figured they'd just couldn't say the word crock so they had fallen plastic shoes yes with holes yes but her just wanting to be I kinda he has to remind her that the robots in a fifty for century have rights yeah and robots like robot rights in with the Guide and the robot guide Yeah Yeah Yeah and you know and the doctor tipping him what are you doing but I thought it was Nice I look to see who originally said it and it's lost the history but a you know a bird can fall in love with a fish but were they live yes and kind of twist that you know the very first line I wrote and breather air-breathing domed city and she's very cool with that this ah I mean she's like you said he's trying to enjoy yourself and it it obviously things keep happening flooding anticipates has to give Patricia his helmet so that she can breathe when when things get flooded she doesn't seem to like the idea so much about being there with him having to wear a helmet so and he points that out it keeps telling her get make sure you're on that Dome sled yeah and she's more concerned about the people so much so that she ends up getting you know I thought of that immediately and you know she's kind of what's perfectly okay if you but because of how society is built up that this has to wear the helmet so that he can breathe in there left behind when the Dune essentially take over the Dome sled and and get it out far too early before everyone's on of everything that's going on and then you know when she she they encounter Patricia this woman and they learned that okay well have to compromise right me compromise so I was glad he called her out obviously shows that this this was the better person he's this woman that is engaged to avail rassie her fiance this-this and she's an air breather abyss meanwhile is willing to do this for her just to be with her but if you notice when the tables are reversed when the Dome keeps in trouble yes and I think to a little bit but Donna didn't create the trouble now you know she and so she was just caught up in it yeah so I I really liked that The story splitting that way and the interactive she had with all the different people yeah yeah Set Donna her experience with Dr has taught her you know obviously already she's come so far from when we first were introduced her and away bride she's doing her best to try to get people on that Dome sled yes and you know she's looking out for them at her own expense away but but she ends up she she sees feels topic number three this should be a fun topic Clo and the Dune so as as the doctor makes reference we have who are like hey I was willing to do this for you why were you willing to do this for me so what did you think of that so I loved that Louis Yeah so yeah it very end of the story this has to tell her on or whatever like you said she does get paid paired with guards to her chagrin always and is is it's I I want to say I don't WanNa say she's frustrated but but she's heartbroken I think that oh I can't do better I I know he can probably do a lot better but but yeah I don't see that relationship lasting by the way did I tell you that I was asked to be the new chancellor and then she thinks about it for a minute oh yeah hey wait up dispossess deserves I think I I agree all right anything else about these characters before we move I can't think of anything all right all right so let's move on at all I don't think so either but but it was interesting though it's like Yeah Obviously Patricia is a lot more superficial than did you do platoon of the Lagoon House but I'll say the full quote for that later but so what did you make well hey I gotta go back down to Valor Esi for repairs because hey near right so so he goes down there and he has though that Oh hey you could join me and she's like I don't know if I want to wear a helmet and then then he mentions Oh fun of with a either a bureaucrat or a police officer I they really worked in this audio drama because the they're so their voices so distinct authoritarianism makes them a very interesting you know and I won't say villain but an interesting character is part of the story so the Doodoo N- first off I there was a very early exchange where their arrests trigger any leaks or whatever you know and don't touch the frescoes they make yellow like you said don't touch don't touch and this this story definitely made made good work of the June essentially being rent a cops yes and there did till we can make an independent you know kind of judgment well who's GonNa make the judgment the June 'cause they're very independ- clothe junior dune who saves the day and makes a pretty impressive amount of arrests preserving the culture he's desperate to hold this thing together so he keeps trying and the Dune we like the rigidity of their rules I break a door to save you and therefore but you broke the door you can't touch for an touch can't touch Dan water starting to come in and the guy being either an art aficionado or just he cares about interesting race they are truly and I think the doctor talks about that they are not a threat they are not necessary hey by Andrea the intergalactic trust kind of make sure the the tourists don't and and you know the other June essentially being Andrea is our say higher goon squad yeah in this all and they are they are an exaggeration of everything that we make I thought it was a small thing but they arrest the chief engineer and then later in a scene they're talking about with the doctor they can't find ended like the very group that rested you also the ones going to make the judgment yes they are a wonderfully audio tweaking like almost like a little baby June almost and or at least a little kid dune yes early not a not a threat either yet but because of their litter on this yes and the the you're like okay are you giving me lip or you know I'm just as he questions okay I'm not gonNA put up with your lip for him so I I love seeing that thought it was awesome want who comes up with the Plan Hey I guess you know all these tourists are the ones responsible for damage you don't really think much of him yeah and especially the June captain and ultimately though Clo- with the doctor's help is the essentially tells them Oh hey you know you're arrested because and he's like but I was just trying to save this yeah exactly and you're going to rest it is just this whole idea of eighty and save everybody so he's the one in and so clo- ultimately gets this he's rewarded for it even the doctor thinks he's cute yes and poor Clo- he's just a junior officer and he's kind of you've essentially assign basically they stick him in as in charge of the prison to keep everybody that's been arrested for touched the chief engineer and you're like I know where he is I know where he is yeah yes so yes yeah and we gotta talk about Clo- because Nick 'cause if you're at a bureaucracy and you ask a question and they don't give you a good answer they asking the answer and then character great character I see him on TV yeah I'd love to see him in another adventure the kind of her or at least letting the doctor duty watts yes so what did you think of Clo- I loved him I you know I loved he he gets like basically like what four times his normal arrest quota or something I forget what it was but and he made like the his arrest quota was exceeded by four hundred percent that was at and so looks like Joe Close going to get promoted who I guess a full officer or something and and he gets rewarded for disobeying and helping the Doctor Ching the the artwork or whatever keep them in in this confined area so that ah but it's like it doesn't matter to June like you said because they're let complete inflexibility about their rules yet and I loved Clo is you know as junior June and it was so great to hear Nicholas Briggs doing like I mean obviously because of you know and there's a there's a moment there's a great moment where this one guy the the the frescoes starts cracking in front of him that doesn't make it a bad it was just really well done right good yeah oh and we forgot to talk about that Clo- bent essentially being young and kind of impressionable and doing the right things may just it made it a lot of fun I agree and so he's got a much higher pitch you know little kid voice for June and it's just adorable as get out it is banished all the people he arrested yeah from Val Rassie so that actually works to the advantage because hey we got rid of the tourists yet you yes that is awesome yes yeah Donna talking to Patricia she does a great line tell me about your scale everyone as he's trying to guide them tour toward the June ship to be rescued he said and the doctor and Donna liked to exchange where the doctors here's the robot tour guides voice for the first time and he's like yeah and the doctor kind of change takes advantage of his youth and inexperience yes to get himself freed and to essentially kind of walk away but yeah so Clo- essentially becomes an ally of the doctor yes and and it was great and I thought so that's good all right it was not really well all right so what's your favorite lines of the episode the only one I got was by companions two two so they all need to be arrested yes and that ultimately gives the Dune reason enough to lift the claims Oh my word it's bring your baby rhino to work day yes and then lastly the doctor announcing to for a move on no nope I like I said it was a in a lot of ways you're right it was a very traditional Dr who episode don't wear plastic shoes I just that I wrote that one right away and I just said I love that line in this whole it was pretty good you know I'm going to give it eight and a half leaking puddles how about you know it's we're in sync view captain is impressed he's like you know like Oh you made like twenty two thousand three hundred one judgments and taking take the opportunity to examine the dome yeah I agree with `spice yes and to get some much needed information but I want to see more of the doctor Enclo- together I think they they made a great pairing I agree I think they would do good okay all right anything else about these characters or the story Oh very nice so in honor of the sunken unspoken underwater city theme. I'M GONNA WE'RE GONNA go all the way a termination of your holiday oh and your arrest if you'd like to swim toward the safety wrap climb on and followed that June onto their ship theon say I'm totally had one of those he yes I love that and then the doctor seeing Clo- for the first time where he in Dr Polly Ben in Jamie McKiernan arrive on a deserted volcanic island but are captured by the survivors of Atlantis They're going to be a lot of this do you think Donna replies is this where you don't like robot announcements because it stops you telling everyone what off the power which gives her time to escape with the help of a servant girl named Era Zuroff tells the doctor that he plans to drain the sea so Atlantis can with the help of the doctor and his companions polly meanwhile taken for conversion surgery into a fish person so we have fish people and the eight and a half junior June nice in honor of Clo- who's like my new favorite character on Dr Yeah there's a lot to be setting come back to the surface the doctor realizes this will destroy Earth and escapes to find a solution and look for his companions in the mind Bene- Jamie escape with two shifts world who developed the technologies they Atlanta land use to refine their

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Episode 186: Hispanic Heritage Month with Frida and Under the Same Moon

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Episode 186: Hispanic Heritage Month with Frida and Under the Same Moon

"All right I guess we'll just a hop on into reading all right I wanna lean for the microphone. Foreign i remember further away. Agile create as much distances. Positive record the whole episode like this close so how we have a natural conversation. I think this isn't that right at this point. Fucking all right. Hey they're film buds. Welcome back to the film buds podcast. I'm your host. Paul and i'm joined by of course longtime friend of the show. Nick hello everybody how are you doing. I'm fantastic how you doing. I'm doing pretty well. How's how's your week been It's been very busy it's been pretty productive. Feel good about that. Let's gun the last time you and i spoke You just avoided narrow disaster at a at a music festival. That went away of the fire. Fisher man party fouls younger. I i would have been there even if you knew it was chaos for sure. Yeah 'cause i would've still jump to the fire. You know what. I do now that because when we were roommates you definitely were wild man enough to be like you know why the music that plenty of times. I'll go to plenty of unsafe places. If i think there's going to be like some very filthy music going on well. Nick is here to talk about two films today. We're talking about frieda and we're talking about under the same moon and we're talking about these films. Because yesterday marked the beginning of hispanic heritage month and actually today is a mexican independence day. Also known as the cry of delores his perfect because both of these films take place in may he go Now it's almost. It's almost like we planned it so But they're both pretty exciting and And i definitely wanted nick to to come in and talk with us about this. 'cause you know me and another white person sitting here talking about hispanic heritage and these two films might seem a little disingenuous instead of going to do a halfway person but It's going to be a good episode. And i think it's going to be a lot of fun They're both films. We're going to talk about both of them. We're gonna talk about the trailer for west side story. That just dropped. We're gonna talk about the trailer for nightmare alley. That just dropped. We're gonna talk about what we've been watching And it's gonna be a good time so let's go ahead and jump right into it with our first film about artists free to callow with frieda and we have a clip. So take a listen behind. The romance love to get married. You don't believe in that. Of course italy and free behind the glamour. You'll painter to mrs. Were there just killing time better than me. You'll see behind. The madness lies the mystery of one of the most seductive and most intriguing women of hours or any time so that was freda which came out in two thousand and two. It's directed by julie. Taymor who most people are. Not most people i guess but some people might know from her broadway for fame as the director of lion king if you know her that's probably when you know her and it stars selma hayek as frida. Alfred molina as Her husband and artist diego rivera Geoffrey rush Diego luna very young diego luna Antonio banderas ashley judd Roger reese And the plot is a biography of artists free ticao who channeled the pain of a crippling injury and her tempestuous marriage into her work. Did you nailed impetuous. I out loud and heard. Oh no like you. It helps that. I read this like a day ago practice. Yeah did a little up. He studied for the test. Folks so neck. Why don't you take this one away for us. What did you think okay. yeah Frida is pretty good Good acting here's probably the best salma high performance. I've seen that one of the best as she was nominated for the oscar for this. I think i'm pretty sure as she. If not the oscars in sure like a billion other awards nominee yeah Yeah i think you know the descript definitely has you know the same like bio-pic and you know the structure is similar to that but I think her her story is different. Enough and interesting enough It's still very smart movie. It's very very pretty movie. Very colorful. i love like the transition between scenes where they kinda like setup. One of payne's It's one of those movies in under the same moon the movie we're gonna talk about after the same. It was very refreshing to see like to smart. Well thought out movies. That i don't know maybe just from watching too much stuff to so much stuff. Fields barely put together a yeah or you know it just doesn't it's not operating on all levels. You know what i mean like. There's like for both of these films like every part of them is working in conjunction with the other. And it's telling you something about like the character or the characters and the whatever moment they are at in the story currently Like that goes through like visually eli dialogue and I i don't know it's you know. Sold the little things that that come together. Now for sure Were you an all familiar with like frida kahlo in any kind of capacity before the beyond like the obvious knowing no no no i'm not i'm not big into like art period. It's not like a free college specifically. I'm not huge into like the world of visual art And i mean you know. I know who she is from white pop culture Obviously but i lied. Read a little bit before watching the movie which she goes like a wikipedia. Page in some you know like profile ever And then i read it like the about the production of the film and everything that's interesting. I'm going to circle back around to the production of the film. I like the movie. A lot I i agree with you. I think that for the most part if you really boil down just the narrative like if i added it out all of the fancy bits of the movie it's a very straightforward bio pic. Yeah it does not a drove your train of thought here. Yeah that's yeah. If you like on paper it's it's a pretty simple yeah To to me but there's so much going on with how it's presented you know what i think is really intelligent about the movie is that she does decide. You know that this movie is about a visual artist so it should you know be an equally visual experience. Also julie taymor is of course a very visual artist. I mean you'd hope it looks like that but she really does a great job and honestly The things the two things that elevate this movie from just being another bio-pic pic are one hundred percent performances and the presentation of the narrative itself. salma hayek does do a great job. I agree with you. This is one of my favourite selma hayek performances I think that she's great. And some things and then just completely lost in other things every once in a while i think they just i think she gets cast and really shitty roles yada lot Even if even if like the movie or show or whatever it is isn't like shitty itself. Yeah i feel she gets stuck A lot has to do with the double-whammy of like racism and sexism. Obviously then yeah because she is both a bit and being a sex icon like on top of that you know Which sucks because she's obviously like extremely talented and like the the early two thousands. I feel like i'm definitely more. You know when. I when i think about like my memory of selma hayek i feel like the early two. Thousands is probably definitely more. When i remember seeing more selma hayek been as opposed to. She's definitely around again a little bit. Yeah now. She's all like a bunch of light comedies and stuff like dally she was in the frigging hickman's bodyguard with man's bodyguards wife. Spy it's that movie. I i'm very comfortable saying. I really hate them movie but no so she does. Great alfred. molina does tremendous. But i mean oh man alfred molina. He's one of my favorites. What a tremendous talent you know. We recently watched my wife. And i recently watched spiderman two point one and alfred molina so good in that movie like bandages does great that one of the best movies ever made right there spiderman two point one specifically spiderman to like for. Sure you know. it's somewhere in there spiderman. Two point one though. That's worth that. If you haven't seen that thing will baby. Yeah if you don't know now you know now you know now. Now you're in the club. Welcome smart with it. no. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed a lot of the chemistry. That was the cast. Just in general i think had commend tremendous chemistry across the entire picture. If i really have any complaints. It's not afraid to get sexy. It is it's a but You know. I think that it's it's very obvious that she was very comfortable with the human form you know. Obviously in her in her art. And i think that it was an interesting waited to sort of take the movie to sort of have the human form regularly on display because it is such a a regular topic of visual art. You know the human form and the human form entwined with another human So now i. I i really enjoy those elements of of the film My only my only i guess. Hard critique of the movie for me is that actually it's twofold one. I did feel like. I really needed a little bit more before. I watched it context of who she was sure. I watched it. And then while i was i hit him appointing while i was watching it. Where pause for a little bit you. You like deep until like the communist meetings and you're like what it was like. Okay i understand you know communism and how was you know taking different. Fold different places at this time. But i have no idea how it fits into mexican history in any socialistic way or and that kind of thing and how free to carlos especially at that particular time fit into the so. It wasn't clear to you. What not maybe not like the time period was but just like like what it meant like why i want exactly as curling happening like in the larger context and i really felt like on a certain level i needed to go in with a better understanding of of her life at large and and some of the history was that her life intertwined with to really deeply appreciate. Yeah all. that's interesting also. I was talking to to my wife. my beautiful beautiful wife about this movie earlier And i talked about how like i appreciated. Obviously like how intertwined her life was was with politics both through herself and her husband But i i had a hard time finding the Jala to intertwined like you were saying her personal life and her personal journey yet and in the greater like a political artistic absolutely yeah crusade. Career But yeah definitely a guy like is how the film carries through like everything's pushing towards the thing that like her whole life was paying both in the physical sense in the emotional sense yup And like you said it would help to become very literal Or i think my wife said the sexually lake how her her art isn't exactly up for interpretation. It's not it's not exactly subtle or like you know. Yeah it's pretty in the movie. The does a great job of this also showing like that specific moment in her life and like how it translated into. This particular Are that she did this particular work of art and he's like oh like of course if i'm not mistaken some people labeled hers surrealist but if i'm and i could be mistaken i read somewhere that she considered herself magical realist more than a surrealist and i think that that's pretty fair you know it's very grounded. It's not misshapen. It's very clear what she's depicting. an. Yeah it really. I think it. It works well My only complaint is that they. I think beyond the lack of the context that i and maybe maybe it's not the fault of the film. Maybe it's maybe more fault of myself in history education large But my only other fault is I felt like they carved through time like butter to a point. Where for me. It was sometimes a little bit hard to tell how much time had passed between certain events. Yeah it's not one that tells you through like five years later but it's it's very it's very subtle through very specific makeup and costume and and period choices that you have to really be paying attention to be like okay. Time has definitely pass right. They're not quite dressing her the way that they did. You know just the the costume start to change for alfred. Molina they start making him older Yeah the greatest hair and everything. But that's probably really said he gained like thirty pounds like he looks like he looks huge. And i'm not talking about like he looks leg late leg fad he. He looks It looks like very tall he. He's just look save. It's because of the high waisted. If i'm not mistaken and i think that that's why people use to try and wear. The high wasted pants was to try and make it. Accentuate the leg line because visually now your your hips aren't here. Your hips are here right and so it made you seem taller because if you go back and look at even like hey look like the more movie stars dress heck it is in like the forties and stuff like that you know even howard hughes and stuff all the pants were way up higher and it was to try and like accentuate blowing. My mind right. That's a little bit of men that wouldn't work on. Some has too short for that. I need. I need some high to start with i. I have none. You're you're not that. Sure i guess not a. I dunno compared to what i don't know how tall is alfred. Molina obscures brutal. Oh there we go thank. Oh wow big man the thing. We keep under the stairs speaking height difference between them. It's because there's a foot between them. She's five foot to a wound. Yeah it is coming in with the live really. it's it's their. i like up close meeting. it's how shoot it. Also as when he comes down like she calls to him and he's working on the mural and he comes down and the way it shot is like he looks so and i feel like maybe maybe it was a note from someone but i also feel like he's very much constantly running. Various data always has the chest bad spouse knock entirely and so it makes and seem i think a lot. Colder guys haven't seen I'm sure you have but you need to remember the law and order. Svu episode so good so good highly. Recommend it all right. But now i think that's kind of my my overall thoughts. How do you. How do you feel about julie. Taymor guess as a as a director overall have you seen that i. I wish you did more stuff. What else does she. She did across the universe she did. She did a cry. She was actually the original director of spiderman. Turn off the dark. The broadway spiderman musicals amazing She lives. Here's the first one to abandon ship. Then i'm she was apparently removed and it ended up in litigation that went to mediation alot of white removed for what she was removed from. Directing like what she do I think it was that the producers just sort of lost faith at that point i i. I don't know the exact now. I don't know who they they murdered someone to get. That show made or something. Like legit curse. Yeah legitimately cursed of bullish to keep continuing. She did titus back in. Nineteen ninety. Nine with anthony hopkins. She did across the universe. She did the tempest with If i'm not mistaken this is yes. This is the version of the tempest where they take Prospero and make him prospera. And they cast helen mirren. What on earth is this. Cast annella myriad helen mirren solicitor general han soo russell brand reeve carney. David surin alan cumming chris. Cooper alfred molina ben wishaw so yeah and then she recently did a version or not recently. Twenty fourteen midsummer night's dream and then she in twenty twenty did the glorious which was a movie about gloria steinem With julianne moore lee. Chevik john ellman So many movies and gloria steinem. I guess also portraying herself so yeah. That's a that's julie taymor our old i. I won't name who it was one of our old theater teachers in high school claims to have known julie taymor but one of our old high school theater teachers claims to have known julie taymor and and says she's not a fan. Okay like like as a person as described as hard to work The i could literally mean anything high on the horse. A little fund. I thought i would be fucking lying. King yeah that's that's fair point because because she can you know she still ride that. That's still going on. No that's not a thing that happened in ended. You can still go see it still people already. Do you have any final thoughts on freda. Yeah good movie. If you look behind the scenes for bring the doors on hayek's life was so terrible at the time because harvey weinstein produced this film. Oh no and he. Did you read this. no. I think it's on my on. Dvd or maybe on wikipedia. Or something Were like he was threatening to shut down the film over and over you know unless She did sexual favors and or did like a full Lake Did a full woman on woman sexy like for the movie. And that's why that's in the movie. Yeah i guess so. Because there's the there's the encounter with the The singer in paris yeah. I don't know maybe it was meant to be like more graphic than it is or maybe that it's it or maybe that's it. I have no clue but yeah this was a part of like the harvey weinstein scandal. Yeah yeah she wrote like some ike right up like this whole thing when it first in twenty nineteen or whenever And the story of the making a free. It was part of that and everything. Why so. there's a dark thing by that. Also madonna wanted to make this movie in play for free for a while which would have been kind of funny but also kind of not wow. Ra so i got folks and again you can. Just look that up on. Like look at peter i n. This isn't some crazy and in dig too deep. Yeah what what. What's your star rating for the film. Oh i don't know out of five three and a half four. yeah. I was thinking for for me. Some of the some of the visual technique that was on display for me was was enough to to bump it up. Yeah yeah. That's i like i like julie taymor as a director for sure. I really liked what was going on. There no. I think that that's all fair. I didn't i didn't know that about the film That's quite horrific. pretty bad. i guess. If i have any you know i didn't say that like with grace and i apologize. That's how just how i get through things. I don't i don't like saying things like a news anchor you know. No i get that Sterility is not your thing. No yeah. I'll say this I i really enjoyed watching the movie because it was also. I'll say this about the movie. It was engaging enough and it hit me enough. That i definitely wanted to know more about her. And i wanted to know more about the context of her life and it got me going down a path of of reading more and learning more and sell for sure. Even if i give the film kind of nick on feeling like i needed a context. When i watched it it did also give me interest enough and drive enough to want to go and learn more. She's a fascinating woman with a very fascinating visual style. There's a good of video from nerd writer That's all about her. Her art style. That's that's worth a watch. It's like seven or eight minutes so it's not too taxing. I learned that she likeb remained pretty unknown until like the seventies or something when she was rediscovered. Yeah this is after this. Like a couple of days after she died Yeah one of those things. A lot of artists have this kind of you know how they achieve. Some of them achieved some success when they're alive but a majority of artists are really primarily posthumously. Celebrity yeah you know. It's usually after the fact when there's now no more coming out and there's there's a limited supply sort of being passed around that it becomes in vogue involve i'd give it a four moving on i suppose We have our next film called under the same moon llamas mar luna as right and it came out in two thousand seven goodyear and as always it was a good year. That's the era of no country for all men. There will be blood. Michael clayton great cinematic year. Also our freshman year of high school. I believe good music year goodyear now so as always we have a clip. So take a listen. She looked at the moon because she looking. She's been working in america for four years so she can bring me there when my grandmother died. Couldn't wait so under the same moon. As i said came out in two thousand seven It is directed by patricia. Reagan and it stars eugenia dare bez kate. Del castio adrian. Alonzo maya zapata. Carmen salinas America ferrera And arnesto zero and the premise. The plot is a young mexican boy illegally travels to the us to find his mother who was illegally in the us after his grandmother passes away. I love because this is put who is legally in the us and what on earth goop come on. We're we're trying to sell this movie. Your legally travels to the us to find his mother who is a legally in the us. They could've just said you know that the boy crosses the border or to find travels a yarmuk skin. Boy if you wanna keep illegal leash okay. Illegally travels to the us to find his mother after his grandmother passes away. Yeah i i hadn't seen this one. I'll i'll go ahead and start on this one. I seen this one. I remember actually seeing the trailer for it. I feel like. I was shown the trailer for this actually in community college spanish. And i i really can't say why i never heard of that way. Never at all now never casts So before i landed on the film's four this week. I actually went. And i did a little search and i searched hispanic filmmakers because i was like. Oh you know. Maybe i'll pick one and do a sort of dive on them or or something like that. And and when. I i did like a search for hispanic filmmakers the list was i'll generously call it. It included jennifer lopez. It included eva longoria and like while. That's all valid looking a little bit more for free now like a like a quentin tarantino or you know but but but from from some sort of you know hispanic heritage where we could maybe do a dive and then it was. Obviously you know gear melt. Del toro in their robert rodriguez Yeah and so then. It was like all of the obvious choices. So that i was like. Okay let me go. And see if i can't find like a list that someone has put together of like some film mischer that that they suggest watching for hispanic heritage and under the same moon is like on all of them they answer either because of this was gonna be but i was gonna ask it was like how did you decide on these two films besides them being mexican so it kind of came out from two reasons. I decided on freda because my sister is a huge fan of the movie. Frida and i'd seen like bits of it. But it had never been one even though she watches it. A lot yeah. It was one that i had never actually like sat down and watched with my sister. And i was like you know what i think i should just go ahead and wash frieda. And i'm a little bit iffy on julie taymor and maybe this'll sway me in some kind of way on julie taymor and i chose under the same moon because i thought that it was it from everything that i read. It had a lot of positive feedback. And i also thought that it would be a topical and relevant story because it is still very much a topical and relevant issue going on. I love this movie. Yeah i had a hell. Yeah and i thought you know good. Let's i was like we're doing something about like you know this artists. Let's go and try and do something. That's like a slice of life. You know a little bit. More of a grounded kind of narrative that's also more modern. You know i went more heritage way back a little bit. You know about one hundred years plus some time. yeah And i was like. Let's do something a little bit more. Modern and the truth is like my the other reason that i chose them. Is that the options. Were a little bit spotty. You know like wilco. You know was a list that i one that i saw a lot of. You have lakes like the three legged animated movies. Yeah because i saw what is it of book of light and book of live cocoa One just came out slug. Lin-manuel miranda vivo and so it was a little bit sort of spotty. And so. I wanted to try and pick to that. Were also still a little bit more off the beaten path But also were still of interest to me that i thought would would also be good good picks in general four and it actually just coincided the that we recorded them on. This is actually a little bit of happy accident that we are recording them on mexican independent day. That is just a little tabby but yes so. That's kind of why i picked them. But i had a great time with this movie. I absolutely adored it. what an incredible child performance so good Great performance from all all of man. And and i was on the edge of my seat the whole time. How did you feel did hit. I really liked this movie because it takes pretty like worn out premise. By this point range spanish. Latino movie whatever you know about crossing the border again in la how dangerous it is An all this and all that but this takes that really familiar premise. And it's it smart. Like i don't know it just it. It's smart it sometimes. Subverts what you think is going to happen in scenes like some scenes still feel tense yet i mean this is. This is exactly what the silly premises it. It's a kid who is all alone and he attempts to get to los angeles To find his mother and his mother moved there four years ago at this point in has been working in trying to send him money And he doesn't he doesn't have like a phone number and or anything But it's kinda. I it's weirdly like you could watch this with the family. Yeah yeah like it's. It's still properly like tense when it needs to be but not overly so not yet. This is like it's uplifting and not a cheesy way it lands so well. I it's so weird how this could easily go one way or another kid either. Be like really cheesy and just really stupid and like overdramatic and manipulative. Just by like share premise. Alone right Or it could be way too much. I i went in expecting this movie to ruin my life. As i read this some novices and i was like oh great else like one of bomber. Josh know about I don't know. I feel like i'm not doing to describe this movie. It just it really exceeded all my expectations. I guess is what i want to say. I'll tell you why. I think the ending lands because it has the whole while. I was talking about like the whole movie every like visual decision. That's made every like lion dialogue. That's made is pushing the whole. It's pushing the character's journey it's pushing the larger Like politic- political context. But i think that the reason that the ending works especially well is is a few fold minor minor. Spoilers i mean i guess you know kind of major as spoilers but spoilers ahead that's all i'll say so i think it works because in the end You know when our journey leading up to it that we don't see whether or not she gets off the bus. And that's i think the first thing that really works well for the ending is we don't know whether or not for a fact that it clicked and was convincing enough that seeing the kid on the payphone whether clicked and was convincing enough for her to get off the bus so when the kid gets there we don't know whether the mom is there or if she is already actually on her way yet to and this movie has done a good job at subverting your expectations. Enough that you're convinced that it might say to hell with. Yeah mom fucking bad kid. The movie ensure that it really might sure i was. I was bad about it too because this movie like you said it was like as you your seat. Yeah kind of stuff and like when it got closely and i was bad and kept checking. How much time was left. There was like five minutes left. And i was like. Oh my god. I was like. This is the end horribly panic. I think the other thing that works for it is that when they finally reunited in person that we don't actually see them. We don't see come together whole embrace. The only time that we actually get to see them together is when he fantasizes his mother when he's looking up at the same mon yet and that's the only time that we actually get to see them in the same frame together is when he's fantasizing about where his mother is an imagines her being there next to him and that's the only time that we get to see them together and then when we see them the next time we don't actually get to see them come together but we know that this is going to be them together forever. Yeah yeah yeah. And that's why it lands. So that's that's the long explanation for why the ending ends up. Not being hokey seattle. I because the ending them running and meeting in the middle of the crosswalk. Yeah yeah and it also even in that moment where like i'm here at that place and even when you see the woman standing there i thought they were gonna pull. It's not her because her back. Turn when you first see her. They're standing by the by the payphone. Yeah no yeah. I was like. Oh they're going to do it to this movie has set out tomorrow. Gosh no just just so good so honest. Yeah that's what i'm saying like it's it's not like overly brutal in leg overly tragic it's straightforward. It's and i think what's also really effective is that it's it's. It's tragic in the larger context. That anybody's life has to be this way. End the movies smart enough to really go ahead and say it like i can't i can't remember the characters name But when he tells a carlito's Where he's like. You think anybody like like a wants like this in riga. Yeah yeah. He's like you think anybody wants to do this when he's talking about like you know your pass three days where you were picking tomatoes and you know just working to have a place to sleep that night and you know stuff like that. Go from place to place yeah. It's you know it's like yeah. This is this is bullshit. Yeah well and and. I think what's what's smart about this version of the you know border-crossing story is that by grounding it in the perspective of the child any audience member who is unfamiliar with some of this stuff is discovering it with him right now and that's always the brilliance of using the child as your perspective character is that you can take a child. Put them into adult circumstances and go. This is what people have to deal with. Oh now now my brain works and you can introduce them in. Walk them through the ins and outs of this things. Because the children doesn't understand so now you have to explain to the child and then you get to explain to the audience and so i think that this movie you talk about how this movie really works. And it's because this movie is a very effectively thought out film from from the perspective of the narrative to what he faces to how he handles what he faces to the choices that we see other characters make you know. I think that it's just an overall really effective Film and i was. I was really touched by it and i was also blown away by by the young boys performance. I thought that carlos did absolutely he broke my heart in so many subtle ways all the time when he gets up and pays the bill while having his meal with his dad. Another moment where. I was jusuf upset. Was when he gets out of the complex in the car gets founded and he leaves and they show that he dropped his money all of his money. I screamed settle. Who would you do this. No yeah just great film yes. Man on bounced everything is. Everything's working there. Yeah i really. If you haven't seen it absolutely see this one. Like i really recommended it. here's The strength of this movie. And i bought the sole circle back to free. Also i think freda would have been better. Had it been predominantly in spanish. I didn't like that. Fredo was english whereas under the same moon is almost entirely in spanish. Yeah It just would have you know the it's better for performances. Also if this when they're layer primary language and it's outlay of reality exactly. So i free to had been more in spanish. No i i get that. Instead of spanish. Speaking actors did of one thing that i noticed speaking of languages maybe showed up in your version as well. There's a moment where The woman who gets people across the border illegally In mexico is talking with a group of guys and they start talking to each other in some sort of language that is obviously not spanish. What did your subtitles say. Remember what they said. Remember mindset and i thought that was very interesting because i really latched onto it and i thought that was interesting because it goes into like something that i've been researching a little bit lately. It said indian dialect or something to that effect. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yet. And i think that's you know like just like an indigenous style exactly yes to but it really caught me off guard. I was suddenly like. Are they talking about like like ketchaoua and like that. Sorta thing because it takes place in mexico. Yeah and so. Suddenly i was like oh. They're talking about some sort of indigenous dayak but they have no. I guess whoever wrote the subtitle is no contact whatsoever and also didn't think to just write lake indigenous language or you know like he boarded shia. It's indian indian dial and it really caught me off guard and like Took a little like mental break as the rest of the scene played out. Because i was like the rest of the scene doesn't matter i need to just suddenly hone in. What are they talking about and like just played like a little mental game. Wh why did the one guy call the other guy chop suey. Remember that no. I completely missed during the raid on the tomato. Oh it's because there is one asian guy. Yeah yeah yeah and like why yougov hooked up. You know you know nick. Whenever you ask that question you know what i always know. Why folks wife's forcible a. I really enjoyed this movie quite a bit. It was quite interesting. I agree with you about free to needing to properly honestly like be in. Spanish was surprised when like it wasn't english galley but overall i would honestly give under the same moon Things harvey weinstein. Fuck you four and a half out of five. Honestly how about you. Oh yeah man. I don't care perfect five out of five. You did it. Congratulations movie sure. Why not five out of five in moving notes While we're at it. I guess i guess this is a good time to you know we already touched on a little bit. Briefly hispanic representation in film is definitely an popular media and television and stuff like that is definitely a little bit more of a harder thing to to i think. Find a plethora lan immediate well of content and information for. Yeah i was doing. You know to do a little bit of research for for this. Definitely quick when i was looking at what was available. You know in some of the immediate searches how limited a lot of the general perception was in the the the sort of agreed upon. Like you know sort of mainstream. Yeah i mean that's really what it comes if you're talking about just like but like american filmmaker. Yeah of course ya than yeah. It's like the the big ones. The i don't know there's a lot of great films that come out like every year Like from their from their own respective countries yeah That are killer and of course. I can't tell you any off the top my head because my brain is terrible. But now it's it's you know it's it's not like there's necessarily i guess You know like a a for an example like a hispanic jordan peele you know operating or some sort of you know. I don't know what the heck is hispanic jordan peele. No you know what i mean. I guess it doesn't feel i guess. As though sometimes. I feel like when i'm looking at the mainstream american experience of light among other should be like it doesn't. It's like one for each kind of like no i guess. Not but it doesn't feel like there's necessarily guests still fair representation across no no definitely not i mean certainly not in and again in surrey. Eric hitting goals. Yeah there's just generosity aspect of across the board. i guess is more what i'm getting at. There still. generally a lack of of fair even representations for everybody no. yeah. I know it can definitely feel that you have to. You have to seek it out. Yeah unfortunately for the time being changes slow but you can help by giving those movies money. He can and i wanted to. I guess also try and find something part of the reason that i i guess i did also picked. This was because i did want to try and find something that i thought would be sort of generally accessible more immediate level. Yeah for sure. Yeah but neither of these are like some crazy now like yeah like hard to watch hard to follow no yeah mind-bending experience no but again that also goes back to you know the fact that at least with the with the first one freda. It's not directed by you know hispanic director. It is directed by a white woman. Yeah who studied mime. At one point i she. She can't be trusted in difficult to work with indeed. O you broke me. What am i supposed to do with that information. Make offend what you will actually. She also studied like japanese puppetry. She studied the way of. I don't even know what you call. And i that's it that's just in karol from the make up at he has made me think of That scene in freda where you see her doing the auto show at the foot of her bed. Yeah i was like that. She's cool I was like elders julie. Taymor puppet thing yeah. That was the first regatta there. Somehow which reminds me that we got to pivot to to shane g. Oh okay well yeah. I don't know we go forward. Have you have you seen. Yeah i i saw shing she. I don't this is like a huge spoiler. This is like the mid credits square. Okay never mind then. Don't worry about it. I tell you what we'll we'll we'll go ahead and will move on you. Know sort of from our main films into the next part of the discussion which is What we've been watching but also trailers so right before we recorded. We actually watched both the west side story trailer and the nightmare only trailer. Any thoughts on those The both pretty good at Those are two directors who just don't make bad movies guys that i'm aware of steven spielberg and the gas spill were has what is it. Nineteen forty five or nineteen forty two whatever it is on never seen the debacle of a world. War two comedy with jim belushi. I haven't seen all steven spielberg movies. I'm sorry i take back what i said i. I can't be honest about it. Also we saw temple of doom and that one is definitely aga But now i i look forward to west side my wife and i were talking about it and You know is is west side hit out. I'm not like it's not one of those that i'm like a die hard for i'm not i'm blake truly not really familiar with west side story at all. It's never been a part of my life in any way i know. It's like a romeo and juliet. Type story like i i i think i get it but i have never seen it like in any capacity not on stage or did you not go to the northwest performance. Now i didn't. I wasn't there. I was at school. Okay i do not recall go into see westside story or we had broken up or something like that. I worked west side story. See yeah I worked the fly rail. yeah no is there. I know that show a little bit. You know it's it's a fine show and it looks like stevens doing a good job. He's he's pulling more off. The more recent broadway revival of the show where it takes the sharks songs and certain ones and puts them into spanish or certainly irks into spanish and Also in the trailer you notice you know the the main white kid of the gang. Tommy or whatever Talking about the one. That is an ansel elgort openly discussing. You know essentially like. I don't like it because people are moving in and i don't like the people that are moving here and as far as i'm aware like original side story never got like that overt i see with its. Racism is gonna kinda stuff skin. Have something to say. Maybe maybe not. We'll see i mean it does have broadway's shrek in does by committee is shrek. It has broadway's iraq. Yeah he's he's playing one of the The communists of of the show it's trampoline turn trigano cop Shrek is not a cop. How dare you. If i was that actor. I'd be like by the integrity bestowed upon me by the plane. Shrek i i cannot play cop He was bad. Brad in mali's game. This bad brad. Is that hulking. No bad brad. In mali's game was the guy who Own the mamas terrible. What am i. That was thinking of gerald's game announced different different game. Lollies game jessica chastain. Yeah okay with you know. Yeah that's broadway. Shrek is bad brad. Molly skin fantastic. He's also briefly in a John oliver musical number is very specific. Wide you know so much about the man who played rag on brown. Because i saw him and all of these things are like indifference beforehand. And then i learned that he was broadly shrek. That cemented where. I've seen this man like it it. It really solidified in my memory. Where exactly i had seen before all the career folks. That's cool nightmare alley. I'm looking forward to. I was talking with lorne about it as well Radley cooper's An actor that. I like quite a bit. But i haven't had a bradley cooper movie that he was the star of that. I've been really hyped for in a little while since like a star is born. If you were excited by stars. I was not stories born. I'm like hell yeah. why not. Have you seen crazy heart. Nope you you might like that. if you like. If you like the the bradley cooper stars feel like you'll definitely dig. I feel like he kind of did like a star is born with like a little dash of crazy heart in there. And i think that if you ever watch crazy her you'll you'll understand relic cooper so weird to jeff bridges film. That's the one i think. That ghanem is oscar. Yeah but. I'm looking forward to nightmare alley. I love ghirma. Loved when gear mel does horror. I love them does anything. Dan doesn't miss. No not a drought as a miss Ari he's he's always fascinating. He's doing something. Even if crimson peak is like his most sort of bland narrative. I guess on on a certain level or most predictable narrative on a certain level. That's still a great film with incredible performances and fantastic set and costume production and overall artistic work on display so he he never misses not reeling. Pan's labyrinth incredible. Those held boy films. Great put yeah great time. Great time. Good movie way better than the second. I'll fight you if you want to go to. The mat on which pacific rim is better than seven by rising was upsetting the boring upsetting experience. The boring movie. I was excited for it. Yeah i wasn't worried about it. I said how hard could it be. You had no idea. He does pretty hard. I should have known me. It probably doesn't help that you know. Most of these people don't have a clue how story works so just so weird. But i'm excited for nightmare alley. It's got a great cast willem. Defoe was literally probably the best working actor today. He's the best. It's got as alway- it's ron perlman is going to be appearing. And it's never a bad time for ron perlman so i'm looking forward to it As far as what we've been watching you said saw shane chase go to theaters and see. Yeah yeah okay How was it You know. I like to a lot. And i talked about this before with you. I i started out. Lichner lob at loved it when it hit the bus sequence. That's a good so good at than i'm still with it. I liked about halfway through The the the more. I liked it more news on a street level kind like kung fu movie And the more fantastical got The further a got away from me. I just i liked it more when it was smaller than the big. Yeah just like the bigger. Like i said the bigger got the more i was like. I wish had been more contained. I like the more Smaller dramatic moments and the way. It was impressive with its action. Choreography lake legitimately for the most part. All right tonight i got. I asked what. What's the spoiler. Oh in what i was gonna say. Yeah i'll go will now. This is long winded. I can't okay. Well the the ending the mid credits scene of shake Sorry everybody it's Shanxi is in katie his friend katie or having dinner and wong opens up a portal in the middle of restaurant. And he's like come with me and his. They're like what tom what may so they go with them. And he's like it's almost like a trial for being honest he should seek out a lawyer immediately. Wong and who else is there. A captain marvel this long thing. I was to say because The destined daniel cretin credit I'm sorry to laugh at your name. It makes me think of the scene in monsters inc. No randall's ause. Mike was hausky a cretin and then corrects him. It's sorry anyway. I was like all of his movies pretty much. All of his movies have brie larson him and he was like he had to get her in there. Somehow and there was something else that we were talking about like. They had to get something in there for whatever movie we were talking about. Can't remember me. Don't remember what is more Honestly interested in what the sport sure. Okay well it's captain marvel wong captain marvel and it's bruce banner which is interesting enough in itself. Because it's bruce banner. It's not a like the professor hulk like endgame hulk. It's bruce banner And his one of his arms appears to be broken So it's like he's dead and they're Studying of the rings that shanxi has and they're like I don't know what this is. This is from and they're like where'd you get these news like. I dunno thousand years old and my dad adam. And they're like well okay. We're gonna keep an eye on you and your back and you know they're Than bruce is like welcome to the circus and it's like obvious vendors. dare there joining their joining the craziness. Where we're going to do avengers ledge. Oh all right brendan. You're gonna get me in copyright trouble on the mouse. On immediately. He heard it through the phone Okay anything else you've been seeing. Yeah man i saw malignant. Oh how james won- and it's awesome. I loved it So good it's better if you just don't know anything about it It starts off like regular james wan like kind of like a haunted house. Movie things go bump in the night then it turns into like a slasher movie turns into something else entirely and it's just completely wild interesting It's a lot of fun anything else. What else i seen I saw a horror anthology. Movie called bad candy in this The stars the singer from slipknot. taylor And he's it's him and The main character from gremlins and they play radio deejays in this town. It's halloween and the other. Just like tell spooky stories in the go to like each little segment and It's all right that they have some this pretty like inventive kind of scares in there. There's one scene like in a bathroom that's like really intense. That's like germany. my god. That's they have legitimate scares in there. some cool imagery Sometimes it's just weird okay Yeah not a not. I mean not terrible. Okay so some interesting stuff okay. Some pretty bold effects for like a low budget low although budgeting so nice. I haven't been watching too many movies. I recently finished up. Legend of cora in full year Really enjoyed it imperfect. Very enjoyable I recently also want spiderman three lookie and then after that i watched the amazing spiderman less lucky and then beyond that i've can i say like i hate every person that interviews these folks and just annoys them with marvel questions. Yeah it's so awful when you get to talk to andrew garfield about whatever your dislike are you in the news spiderman relig. Leave him alone also. Just find out just fight. Like i don't understand your are you. Do you think you're going to be the one to get him to break. Will you know it's for the for the algorithms for really seo. I hate it sucks. But that's also am doing this instead of something else. Remember when you'd be surprised. Yeah but i wanna be surprised anymore but that may lie honestly whatever trauma sure. Well speaking speaking of trauma what happened watching is legend of or no well yes. Obviously that has plenty of trauma. But i was gonna say Lord and i've been watching to documentary series. One is a rewatch for me. First time for her wormwood which. I really can't recommend enough if you haven't seen it It's the premise. Is essentially a man named eric. Olson can't take anymore reality goes and can't essentially come to terms with what the agreed upon stories of his father's death and as he digs into it it starts to sort of consume his life and he eventually comes face to face with the reality of of what his father's death actually meant which in reality was an orchestrated event by the united states federal government. So it's a really really great again line nude then i really enjoyed. We've been watching really enjoyed. I guess is not the right term. I've been engrossed with with. I been tickled by now not tackled. I've been i've been sort of. I guess picking at a scab on a certain level. I've been watching turning point the netflix documentary about nine eleven. Essentially how it leads up to afghanistan right before the withdrawal and it's been really fascinating to get further and further into that journey and to go back and have twenty years of context and time to kind of look back at and and reevaluate even at a personal level my understanding of the history and the events in that time and that day and everything that came after. And it's been really interesting and it's it's it's where it all in raw and it's also been kind of Affiliated with with this kind of dive. I've been going down lately of of history and wanting a better context for certain things in a better understanding of certain things are going back to the discussion about. Frida i feel some times On moored from a from a context that leads to my front door. If that makes sense you know what i mean like i i feel like i don't quite understand at every given moment because no one has ever really laid out for me in really grand detail in any class that i've ever taken you know while we were dealing with prohibition not mentioned him you know. Mexico was dealing with this wall. Japan was dealing with this. And so i feel unmourned from. I guess a greater world history but also even a national history. That really for me has all of the answers that i'm looking for and so lately i've been very much interested in kind of going back and re retains reexamining certain things and trying to reconnect. July's history from a certain perspective of of i. Guess now 'cause. I feel very particularly about now and i really i guess one under reexamined my opinion on history and how it got to how i feel about here. Let me tell you. And that feels like a rabbit. Hole of ms things. Look through history. yeah so It's not yet is unnecessarily shitty. So it's it's been arresting. I guess little journey and and part of that has been like wormwood and and turning point because interestingly enough. There is at least a little bit of crossover that gives a whole another context for history for me. Which is dick cheney. You know which was a part of the bush administration at at nine eleven and all that was also a part of the Very briefly The administration that managed part of the story of wormwood and part of the cover up and the two in a overlap yet. And so suddenly you have this and then it suddenly paints a different picture of of course who then see in in. You know e- even though the fictional depiction vice because it is suddenly this this further re contextualising because now you have hard evidence across you know sort of two perspectives. That give you an insight into who the man was so anyhow that's what i've been watching And then actually. I think we're going to watch it probably tomorrow. Maybe you're sometime this weekend and again i've seen it before it'll be lawrence. I watch we're going to watch The john leguizamo special. Latin history for morons on netflix. Which if you haven't seen it it's great. You should see his movie that he directed talia call it a critical thinking okay. It's a chess. movie is good. Yeah prerogative to watch. i love john. Leguizamo is one of my i. That's that's an actor that i want more of on my skirt shirt for sure yet. He's criminally underutilized. He's both in it and he directed tahiliani came out last year to year last year. Well next do you have any final thoughts for the for the listeners. Oh jeez i don't know plug myself. Yeah go forward. Play yourself if you guys go to discussing film. I have an interview with James de monaco coming up. He's the guy that made. The purge movies made purge franchise He has a new movie coming out called. This is the night and i talked to him about. It talked a little bit about the purge. Mostly talked about this name Yale and there's always stay safe crazy off the nonce fair L l say this happy hispanic heritage month array It runs for those of you. Who don't know from mid september to mid october and it's it's sort of because essentially this is a time where several countries gained or declared independence and so like the fifteenth itself is when i think like nicaragua and to other countries declared independence and then of course the sixteenth is earn Gained independence then. Of course the sixteenth is mexican independence days appears to be a good time It's it's you know sort of this period that starts now because it coincides with a lot of historical events and it runs from now until mid october and film is always a good way to to sort of examine our culture and our understanding of our culture and our our understanding of ourselves. And it's also a great way to empathize with people and so the more varied perspectives. That you put on screen you know not that any of you people. I guess necessarily need to know this. Maybe some of you do the more varied perspectives. That you put on screen but also ah-ha that you expose yourself to intentionally. That are outside of what you know the more empathetic you will become with the world around you because you'll get to live for a moment with these people and with their experience and yet folks. Yeah and if you can go out for the next month you know and expose yourself to more hispanic films and content and music and art and culture and history and you know if you want as it goes into october tied into horror. Go out and find hispanic. He'll horror films and that kind of thing and take it down that route plenty of those. Yeah you can literally look that up on sugar. Yeah and so shudder go out and and have a good time and and get a little bit. More empathetic through film everybody. Yeah as always have a good time if you don't already follow us on instagram at the film. Buds podcast and at twitter at film buds. Check out our website. I recently posted one of my old horror essays it's all on the final girl and the slasher film s- pretty cool and Thanks for listening as always. I'm paul by.

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Movies Not Films Cast - 002 - No Time To Die Review & Daniel Craig Bond Ranking

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Movies Not Films Cast - 002 - No Time To Die Review & Daniel Craig Bond Ranking

"Welcome to movies. Not films cast brought to you by movies films. Dot com on this podcast view popular movies and tv shows great rankings discussing district news and much more. New episodes are released on your favor streaming platform in movies. Not films dot com. This week's episode is brought to you by anchor when my friends and i started this podcast. We had no idea what we were doing. We were all avid podcast listeners. For years and didn't really know how to get started at for spending a few hours researching. I stumbled across anchor. It turns out the anchor is the easiest way to record a podcast. It allows you to record edit right from your phone or computer so you can get your very own. Show up and running in no time sweden creative tools. Anchor gives me the ability to make a show that i can really be proud of anchor will even distribute your content to all the popular podcast platforms including spotify apple. Podcasts and many others you can even record your own sponsorships just like this one to start earning money with no minimum listenership requirements. It's everything you need to make a podcast all in one place. Download the anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started today. All right so. I guess this is started. What you been up to this week and talk talked since. I've been up to not a whole lot just mainly just a lot of ballet. I've been having a lot of rehearsals. Rehearsals you say rehearsals. Yes or the cavalier How's that been going. It's been going pretty good. I'm a little salty. Though because director. She changed white. One one part of my. It's called dacoota. After the guy and the girl both through their variations and then they sort of danced together. She changed part of that. I'm more of a jumper and it was turns before and change it to turns. But i i want wanna do the turns. It's sorta like a rite of passage. Because they're difficult to do. Sure though i've i'm i'm a little salty. She changed it. But just means i got a recorder and then maybe she'll change it back but the jumps that she replaced it with. I mean it looks good. It's my toe touches those. Yeah i watched dirty dancing for the first time yesterday. I've never seen it really. It was really good. I really enjoyed it. I thought it would be kinda lame. But i only watched with mom and dad is daisy dapper being lame but i really liked it. I'm sure it's just one of those classics that you can't like like everybody needs to see it. And i know i need to see it Like patrick swayze and jennifer gray and all those actors and actresses. They're just like their larger than life. There's dutch is one of those movies you need to see. I guess i'm not sure. Sounds very totally mixing it up. You're not seen. You probably haven't seen ferris bueller in a long time. I've only seen bits and pieces of ferris. Bueller had never seen hoping that is jennifer gray. Okay i thought yes she. She is the sister in Fares dealer the ones dating took charlie sheen by the end of the movie and last night. We did like a double feature sort of thing. Plex broke like halfway through and it wouldn't stream the audio to the chrome cast owe. But we were watching old man henry. I saw that pop up on the plex. Feed and dad texted me and said it was good and i'm like i thought somebody broke in the plex because the poster looks like shit. Yeah the poster does look like garbage way. It's really good. It's like an eight twenty four western. But it'd be opposites not a twenty four but it's really good. I only got to see like henry half of it but it was a good movie. I'm i'm gonna watch the other half. i'm just gonna watch the whole thing. Probably probably to recording scott haze gavin lewis directed by potsy pun. Sir rowley and action western about a farmer who takes him an injured. Man with a satchel. Full of cash. Ozzy comes for the money. he must decide who to trust. Defending a siege. He real reveals a gunslinging talent calling his true identity into question interesting. Okay yeah when. I saw this on a flex feed for recently played. I was like somebody hack into my account. Nobody ever watch this okay cool. I think it'd be very fun. Movie to review newman shot sometime on. Need to watch it. Of course i but okay it just came out not even a month ago. Actually just over a month ago came out in september. Okay cool watch anything else. Besides that no not really what even up to just working a time as per uche started working out again and my head feels like it's pinched so if i if i shift like my legs stretched my back the wrong way. My whole hip will tension. It feels like there's like a needle being jammed into it. And i know what you're talking about. Yeah at no idea what i did. I literally it just started hurting one day. And i'm like well she you know that's not fun. Your old man bodies finally settling in another band before me even twenty five km rent rental car yet and i'm already tired. You need a walker. You gotta stretch. I always have to stretch out. I am not enough clearly. I always have just my hips more than anything. Because my hips are always super type. Yeah i mean. I go light with my lifts nowadays like i don't go heavy anymore just realized a long time ago. It's not worth it to being a thousand pound club. I'd rather have orm and do more reps than fewer reps. Have your way. But that's just my my mentality especially just like. There's no via trust at the gym despite me. And my gyms in idiot everybody sucks about me Nothing really super crazy. I watched a nightmare before christmas for the first time. I haven't seen it either. I'm not really big into claymation. Never really have been it's good It's not directed by tim burton. It's written and produced at least produced by tim burton. So it's technically tim burton's a nightmare before christmas but he didn't direct it and ashley's a huge tim burton fan. She probably her favorite director. She seen every one of his movies except for batman in nineteen eighty nine. She bought watch that one. I don't blame her. it's actually. It's actually very fun. All batman is nineteen eighty-nine with michael. Keaton and jack. Nicholson as the joker and billy dee williams as Harvey dent. it's awesome but it's It's an interesting timeframe for batman but a a a nightmare before christmas is is actually very good. I think i. I haven't published my review or yet but that will come out on wednesday but i liked it. I gave it high eighties on regardless it's older. I think it's like ninety three or nineteen ninety nine. I think it's worth watching at least once. I think i would have enjoyed it. Were if i was twenty four. I feel like part of it though. Is it's an installer movie. Yeah i mean this. This came out in nineteen ninety-three and so there's plenty i. Obviously it's been around for a very long time. You know lots of people have grown up with it. But yeah it's it's ne-. I'm sure we'll we'll give it a watch around halloween. Yeah i think. It's better than edward. Scissorhands and edward scissorhands is ashley's favorite movie of all time really. Yeah again timber. She loves it. it was thought it was land. No like her actual favor movie Okay okay can we pause for like half a second. There's a tiny little roach. I got murder palmetto bug but it's gross. Okay bureau back jobs. Done the bitches did. Mom said it's like the south carolina version of a moth which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But i guess that's what it was off anyway back to what you were what you were saying. So yeah nightmare street or neck naps excrete. We did watch nightmare. Home street next So after we watched a nightmare. Before christmas we watched a nightmare on elm street. Ashley never seen it. And i kinda to longtime and honestly as far as horror movies go. It's one of the best original concepts. 'cause like i mean. Obviously a halloween is an original concept. In friday the thirteenth is an original concept. But like there's a reason that elm street sticks out so much more in my mind. I think it's because west craven just had distinct visual style on As opposed to where John carpenter with halloween. And i can't remember who directed fezzet friday the thirteenth. Frankly i don't think they really did much afterwards. Speak speak in a halloween. We also watched the original halloween. I got sued for the first time and mom and dad said that that was the one movie. That really scared you when you were younger. No that's That's what they told me. They were like dylan will never watch his movie again because it scared him so bad. I was like okay. Let even i mean just just trying to cover your tracks. I know what they're Who directed the original thirteenth. Sean s. cownie. I'm not gonna help his duties. Yeah a lot of nothing anyway. I think that. Friday the thirteenth and halloween and friday the thirteenth and ran on the street are great. Because they're so unique in their own right. But then out of those three fred or a nightmare on elm street is the most unique. Because it's it's more your head obviously lives in your dreams and things like that you know. That's something that everybody else can see. That's what i like about him And it's just a cool trivia. I think robert england. He's the guy who plays He's the guy who plays freddie but he is the one who pointed. Mark hamill towards the audition for luke skywalker really. That's cool. yeah. I think i don't. I added fact. Check this but there was a. There's an old like story out there. That mark came him. Were roommates and england. Went to go audition for the role of han solo star wars. But he didn't get it and so he told mark hamill who was sleeping on his couch at the time. Hey you should go audition for this thing you might. You might get some business out of it. You might get out of this. And he went on to the biggest movie franchise of all time which is crazy to think about anyway. So we watch that. Obviously it's super cheesy in twenty twenty one as opposed to nineteen eighty-four but also if you didn't know this it's johnny depp's first ever movie like nineteen in this movie and w- i've never seen nightmare So that was his first movie. Nightmare announcer street. Was johnny depp. Movie oh i can't associate him with anything other than pirates of the caribbean. So that's hard for me to believe aside from that go ahead and watched a whole lot of anything good. What about what about. Joe us know where i'm at in jo-jo do i. I think so. Where am i at actually had watched it three days. Jonesboro just pulled the mind control agents thing out of the red headed dudes head and i can't remember his name -culing and that's that's where it stopped. Let me know when you get to the episode cold yellow temperance yellow temperance. Yeah it's like episode twenty. I think it's around there but you'll you'll not. Actually you might not even need the the name of the episode. Let me know when you watch it. Okay out for it. I'm liking it so far. I think it's a damn fun show like it's over the top and i told you what it makes me think of the pot of greed saying as it's so funny every single time i think about it. Yeah so anyway This week on episode number two we watched and ranked all five craig. Daniel craig one through five james bond movies a starting with casino royale on sky fall specter. And no time to die Need to go to my Page here really think so. I'll go ahead and go. I with my no time to die thought or my My casino royale thoughts. I guess So i'll go through movie by movie and then we'll get we'll finish up with no time to die and then we'll score and rank them all at the end so Casino royale and. I guess i should read the synopsis. If you haven't seen many. Because like i had seen before but date i have not so. This is kind of an interesting. Like i've had you know since two thousand six when daniel craig i became james bond. I've watched these movies. Since then. So i was ten at the time so i know them pretty well. Danes gonna be seventeen. He's never seen any of these before. Don't say that that's a. I don't like thinking of me being seventeen so gross. Yeah i'm gonna be twenty five show. You're old you're old So casino royale dozen six after earning double a. Status in licensed to kill a secret agent. James bond sets out his first mission is double seven. Bond must defeat private banker funding terrorists. I stakes game poker casino. Royale montenegro montenegro expense to modern. James bond. you can get i think. It's sleek and swab. It's dated by any means. I mean the cars look a little dated but everything else seems pretty moderate really. There's nothing to date this movie. It's tragic at the end and it's action packed all the way through because like i've never been one to really care about ambling like i can't gamble. I can only make money on slots I could play blackjack. But i can't play. What the hell they were playing poker some all those fancy rules and everything like that. I don't know how to play any of that stuff Lots of famous faces. Obviously daniel craig. Eva green mads mikkelsen dame judi dench The the intra song was really strong. I liked the intro song Excellent villain mads mikkelsen always makes a good villain for us. Americans chief is an excellent dylan on paper and he translated it really well to the screen. I loved help. Because i knew it was early. Two thousands if early two thousands to me. I know i said you can't like data but like for me since i know it's early two thousands like i. I feel comfortable watching it. It's not really like a rookie bond movie. It's not the lake deve beginning of bonds like spy career. But it's still an excellent introduction to the franchise and it's a kick ass reboot honestly from pierce brosnan doing in the nineties and the earlier earlier thousands. This is an excellent reboot. It's dark and gritty and it does the same thing with bond. That one did with batman. I think there. Yeah that's what i. That's what i got out of it and it's probably the one i've seen the most i just every couple of years i get an urge to rewatch it. Would you think of kissing rail. Oh jeez We'll as someone who's never seen any sort of james bond movie or just anything james bond. This was a very long watch. All five of these movies. And i don't know how much i don't know how much longer i can steer it. Daniel craig stupid. British facie does when he's just like thinking. Oh my god it annoys me but anyway i thought i loved casino. Royale i i'm gonna just go and say out of all of them. It was my favorite personally and they had had a great cast. You know obviously daniel craig. Evergreen masimov mads mikkelsen was it. Is it less sheaf. Unless she is she mas- mickelson. He is a amazing villain. I think he he just looks. He just looks evil. Yeah like in. No matter what scenario he just looks evil is trying to be a villain he looks like a villain but like him in another round he just looks like a happy lucky guy and i know that's not realize the tone of another round same with like road line because he's in rhode one is jin's data anything he look evil. They're it just has like an aura. He does and danish thing like danes. Just kind of look like that. Well why people like that. Shut up nerd. I really liked pretty much. Everything about this movie But i felt like it was really obvious that vesper sold them out in the end like i was. I was expecting it the whole time. Because there's no way she would. Just you know go along with it but it is still pretty sad. When she dies spoiler. But i don't know if this is just a thing with the bond movies or whatever but it's such a cheese fast whenever bond is in the same room as a woman i can't stand it but overall hard objects when this said great meam ability to as well it appears your hippos are not as much as you claim mr bond line or you going to go with that particular the i i really like see rail. I thought it was a great first bond movie to watch. And i don't know how well it would compared to other bond franchises. I think it's it's definitely up there. Yeah well let me prefaces to. I've never seen a brosnan bond at never seen connery bond. I've never seen any of the other bonds. I've only ever seen daniel craig's interpretation but for me. He's the one that i grew up list. James bond the same way that a harrison ford is hans solo and indiana jones. And if they ever reboot those or anything else. He's the guy like it's going to be tough for anybody to follow you know. He's one of those actors whose got tons of us me. He's got tons of range but he's just he is james bond for me so okay i off the bat to i. I will say that seeing arouse my number one but we'll go more into that after we finish the rest of these so quantum of solace. What did you think of the sequel to okay will starting from casino royale great movie and then i immediately just dumpster dives right in the quantum solace. I really did not like the movie a whole lot. But i mean it was. This was the only bond movie that i fell asleep during and had to start over it. Just if it's not who is not good. And but i did like how how vesper she was always bonds like actual love like everything always came back to her and she was always like sort of they're just like in the back of his mind and yes very much so yeah i really liked it. I didn't think the villain was very. It wasn't very good. I just didn't like the one. Doreen was not a good doing not at all. So but as much as you as much as people rag on quantum solace and say that it's one of the worst bond movies for craig's tenure. I do think it does enough. To set up the rest of the series Guys like it introduces a quantum. You know a super secret organization. I kind of carries through sky fall and carries through specter and carries through no time to die kinda sorta the see how we get court board with those red strings push pins with the pictures of faces new like make a path through it. You can see how quantum turns in the sky fall turns into specter. And all that stuff. Yeah there's some interesting things to talk about surrounding specter but yet quantum is definitely not 'cause sinorail around bonded. Revenge doesn't really strike me as a winning combination. And i know that's primarily the big argument. I think the suffers from sequel syndrome. So like every not every seek what you get is going to be good like you could get you know i literally. This is one of the two sides of the same spectrum for me like on one end. The good side you get empire stripes back type sequels which are amazing build on everything make the whole series better in are often regarded as one of the best movies in the series. Yeah or you get a quantum of solace which doesn't really do anything to adapt doesn't really make me care. i mean. The premise is super campy. I can forgive multi trillion dollar poker game but undiscovered resources in a poor country. Where they're going to try and buy and sell it to get rich. Sounds awful lot like aggressive negotiations from the love while the prequels are seen in a better light now. There really hasn't been a renaissance. Her quantum of solace in terms of people kind of getting that nostalgia vision for. I don't think they ever. I don't think it's ever gonna happen honestly because it's that that it's just so rage filled as just not good for me. I did not like it. It was definitely it was. I'm going to be nice to it. It was pure I hate to see what being means. Sounds like the quantum not good did really enjoy this at all One of the bottom tier bond movies for craig. I wouldn't i'd hazard together. It's probably bottomed here all time. But i haven't seen enough of them to really know next ahead. Next guy fall and sky fall is widely considered to be either the best or the second best craig. Erbakan booby and. I can't really decide between this casino. Royale its redemptive trilogy piece. It's a strong finish for the trilogy. So craig's bond stopped after sky fall. It would be a strong fitch. Excellent interesting again. Excellent story great fights at felt like real spies. Doing real spy stuff you know. And i liked javier bardem as the villain in this movie. And i can't remember his name shoe. We didn't give a summary for quantum solace. But that's i don't think it doesn't matter as much. Yeah i got to figure out what have you ever items characters name is. I just can't remember it's role. Sova sylvia right so yeah i like this and i thought that at the time introducing ralph fiends fines rough fines the guy who plays baltimore and harry potter. As as as gareth. Mallory was was cool. I liked seeing him. I think he's a great actor. A great addition to this franchise and then naomie harris as eve moneypenny. I liked her and his movies. While as well as ben wishaw who plays q. I think that finally getting a q. Is cool because he seemed to be always part of like the old bonds. You know he'd go visit the quartermaster. He'd get you know exploding pen. I liked that they called it out. And he's like you know. Would you send me with a gun in a radio. It's like what about like an exploding pants or something like that. We don't we don't do that anymore. I thought it was funny. And i like naomi. harry says as moneypenny catcher doesn't really mean much to me. But i know that she was pivotal in the old versions of bond and this movies directed by santa mendez who has directed a lot of really really good movies in my opinion So he turned a road to perdition nine seventeen Let's see what else Ajar head american. Beauty's not really looked on super favorably anymore because of the whole Seven casey person don't really want to mention his name. But yes sam mendes mixed mixed good movies and this one definitely had his style. Because i i liked his work in nineteen seventeen. I could see how he volved from sky fall into nineteen seventeen and then It just it felt like spies doing spice stop. That's the biggest cabinet. That i can get it. What would you think guys stifle. Oh it was a it was really good. It didn't feel obviously. It's still a bond movie but it's i feel like it in a way it could have just been. Its own thing like it's a spy spy movie. I like the other ones before this like. They were spy movies but they were more like like action. Spy movies is like spice by one. This one is a real toss up for me between sky fall and casino royale but it was really good. I really enjoyed this one. And i really liked. Yeah like you said the introduction of of q he was he's a i i really liked you especially in the later movies and the the villain in this one i forgot his name so Sleeps yes over. I really liked him. But personally i still liked what she was. She sorry. I like this better just as a villain so we'll still really good though. I really enjoyed it. Yeah happier bardem. Is that necessarily underrated. But he's not utilized enough. I'd never seen like a no country for old. Men is one of his best movies. And let's see what else he's done a. He does a lot of different things. It looks like he hasn't done a whole lot. I guess it's about a movie a year. Which i don't know how that he's in dune he's playing still gar induna. That'll be fine. He was in Pirates of the caribbean dead mental. No tails captain salazar captain salads. I liked him. yeah he's just. He's he's awesome. I i think he's a great actor and he was a good bond villain. Thanks a lot to be a good bond villain as we've known or as we come to find out because the the the green guy from quantum asala sucked the villains inspector. I mean i love. Christopher watson will talk about spec during his second play he sucks. Is this kind of ill in just not. Yeah so sky fall. Definitely one of the better ones very thrilling. Yeah and i liked the they involved dame judi dench as much as they did in this movie especially because at the time. I didn't really do movie research. I didn't know that this was supposed to be her last wine But i thought it was. It was well done how they you know gave her character and end you know. They brought her in and they. They introduced gareth. Mallory row fines character Well and made him seem like you know. He's got his way of doing things and they're going to be different than the way that an was doing things previously but still made him likable at the same time like that. Shootout scene in the In the courthouse where he grabs the gun at the end when he walks in on q. And tanner and land the fake trail for silva follow. he's like well then hoping. Don't get caught. You know it shows that. He's not afraid he's not so by the book he'll break the rules when he needs to. So i i liked that. It definitely made me appreciate his character a lot more than when when dame judi dench character 'em died and he replaced her. I felt like it. it worked. Well you know introduced him. Made me dislike him than like him. Give him a good character arc to round out to make me happy that he was going to be. Am i feel like he can be a bit of a hard ass though. I'm not gonna lie. I liked the the other m just a just a bit more not a whole lot more but her death was really. What's the word john wall done. It was it was really well done. It was well done and him coming on as a replacement it worked. It works. well yeah definitely so like i said. At the beginning of the the sky fall day this could have been the perfect end for daniel craig's bond like it didn't need to go beyond here money but money guy fall. Do good money yes. The broccoli family cannot be that aside so specter would you think inspector specter Definitely there's definitely a trend in the bond movies. It's good than bad than good. And then it also bad but it wasn't nearly as bad as corn on solace. I it continues in the same way in sky fall and this one was also same mendez I don't know let me take a look. Yes it was. No i'm done. I can't read take care who computer so slow. This is why we need the podcast. Take off so. I can get equipment listening into this which she should be you send dylan or you should send movies not films. A anonymous donation of five thousand dollars definitely. Don't send it straight to me. Because then i think i have to pay taxes on it. Yes factor was also same as feel you. Could you could tell just by like how i was. Shot and everything whatever. Yeah it felt. Like a san mendez movie. Now that you knew one lies you can feel the similarities. I feel like in inspector. If really like this james bond saga whatever. It was experimenting a lot with like different villains and blake plotlines. And what they what they need to do. Like to be a good spy franchise. And i like after sky full spectrum really just like honed in on that whole like actual spice by stuff you know. Yeah but it was really good. I've not really. I keep saying that for everything. It was not very good. It was my favorite but it was definitely a better sequel to the good spy movie than quantum of solace. But yeah and i like how it started I really i really enjoyed the intros. I haven't talked about the interest very much. But i am a huge sucker for intros and all of them throw all the movies. They've been like really good. Oh yeah i mean they. They always have really good songs. And really good. Like the the animations falling through the glass or the guns like rotating around and things like that always look really good. Yeah animations are sweet. I like how they don't do it. Like how marvel- does it like marvel animation. It's it's just kind of whatever but there although all the bond one so different and they're they're all unique and you can tell like they put a lot of work into especially with the music to soundtracks are amazing. Yeah like chris. Cornell did a song for specter offer specter of casino royale casino royale or quantum asala. I'm not going to look it up but I i love chris cornell. Ap and adele at sky fall. Fall then i listen to that quite a bit. When i came out and billy eyelash for no time to die billy eyelash. Yeah she has a good song for this one. I really like. I really liked the opening sequence of in mexico city but the whole day the dead thing it just it it made it feel more spy if you know what i mean yeah. It was exotic. I liked the opening shot where it like shows him leaving the hotel room. He's like walking down. It's continuously like tracking him moving backwards as he's going forwards across this hotel mc through the roof like i like that type of cinematography was really cool active. Laugh at least that part Yeah i will agree with you. There is a definite trend bond. Good bad good bad kinda thing. Specter is definitely not as bad as quantum asala. but it's also not as good as sky far casino royale. God no okay. There's one thing i gotta ask. Did you see the cracks. When blow fell the standing in the building at the end and he and bond shoots at blofeld and it hits like the bulletproof glass. Did you see the cracks in the glass cracked into a shape of an octopus. The symbol for specter it. I did not see that now. It was so. I'd seen it before. But i was just reminded of it and i'm always on the lookout for like easter eggs. And things like that if you go back on youtube and you look at that scene or like you scrub the movie back to that point. It will literally crack into an octopus out. that's cool. I love when movies like little hidden. Easter eggs like that. 'cause you only really pick up on them like the the second time watching it. I almost took a picturing senate too. But i wasn't sure if you've watched it or not yet I also really liked over the course of all the movies bond has found himself and his characteristics have definitely definitely changed a whole lot. But they've they've it's really come together like daniel. Craig does a good job of lake showing the character over a really long period of time agreed and said this in my no time. The data review publishes tomorrow before this episode comes out or think he represents yet go read it. He represents everything that a modern bond should be while leaving behind all the antiquity antiquated things and dated things from the previous generations. He takes what's cool about bond. Brings it forward to twenty twenty one or the two thousand us and leaves behind. All the things that are problematic. I think that he is what a new. He's what the next blueprint for bonds should be based off of because yes he did it right. He was cool. He was a gentleman he was you know skillful and intelligent all the way through and but he he also you know he was damaged. He showed emotion and things like that and he definitely grew with the character as he got older. I feel like ondon. Crag are basically the same person at this point. Yeah this one definitely suffered from sequel syndrome again. Just couldn't leave well enough alone. We ville in spector was over hyped from the beginning a little bit of specter trivia. They were never allowed to use this organization's name in any other movie because the broccoli family didn't have the rights to the name specter until this movie came out i think is what the deal is. So sony used to produce these movies. And i think warner brothers owned the rights to specter. Maybe and then once sony's contract ran out Warner brothers picked up the rights for it again. And then they make a movie with the organization spectre suspect Been bonds number one villain like historically but they could never put them in movies until the rights were retained or something like that until the students got a hold of the rights to use the name. Specter that kind of like why quantum was a placeholder and then it turns out. That specter is the puppetmaster for quantum i think is what it was. I don't really. I didn't get that deep into the lore. I didn't have a timer brain cells left to devote to this. Because you're right at five movies two hours a piece at least british people people. Yeah it was just not a good movie i love. Christoph waltz is an excellent actor and they tried to replicate his work in inglorious bastards here and it just didn't translate blow fell just isn't strong enough character like his character in inglorious bastards was. I can't remember hans. Lambda sounds right. He fell through for me. Yeah yeah hans landa. that's what it was he's just. You can't replicate that. Just on a whim that's a once in a lifetime. Lightning ball type thing so no time to die. The the main of. That's the main course. Oh yeah so. I went and saw this saturday. And you you just. I saw this hour go two hours ago now. Obviously a lot of things went on with this movie. It's been done for like two years. Long movie delay delay and is a long as movies. Two hours and forty five minutes. I think james bond has left active service. His piece is short. Lived when felix lighter at old friends from the cia turns up asking for help leading bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology. Let me pull up my whole synopsis. The whole synopsis. I really i really like how the bond franchise it went from funding terrorist groups to now. How every single sort of worldwide threat goes to biological warfare naturally naturally of course. Yeah it was It's a natural progression things. There's just no way around it Eventually you just have to up the stakes out the stakes up the stakes. And it's the same reason like you know everything post endgame in avengers feel so weird because what's bigger than half the universe being obliterated it's like we've got to be as big as we can go so that that's a problem that like dmc hasn't figured out yet and that's what they're doing this whole multiversity we can really do something with bonds so kind of upwards until it gets in the ludicrous territory i think. And then that's where the franchise kind of just died needs to be reset james bond in spruce. They've done that have they. Yes it's called raker. that's so stupid. Yes moon raker. It's the or movie to star. Roger moore as the fictional james bond last into orbit and his action packed adventure takes them to venice. Rio de janeiro and elders pay takings thinking To space always just not a good idea. I think that's a fast and furious is heading. I think literally going to be in space. Yeah and then can't forget actually. No i lied. Because jason x. is just a wonderful space movie. Jason x is jason x. It's letters i dumped. Somebody's head in liquid nitrogen. Then smashes it on. The table is shattered into a million pieces. So anyway Before james bond goes back to space no time to die There's a lot to be said about this movie I think that it was. It's a strong but safe. Conclusion to daniel craig's tenure. James bond it. Yes it was funny. I thought it was well written. Cary joji of fukunaga brings it. This adoration to close a fairly well like i said it just felt safe. It didn't really push the envelope ramming rainy malik antidote armies and a whole bunch of other listeners. Ralph fines again now. We harris than wind shaw jeffrey right. We haven't even mentioned jeffrey right adult. So this point now. I always forget that he's in east. The guy that plays felix lighter the american. He's just he's always been these movies and he's always done a good job of making them. Ill more worldly because it's always a british people british people british people nowadays. It's not a big deal. But i need to see him. Run across other american agents and the two agents boots on the ground realizing that they need to work together to make this thing happen. Yeah so yeah. This was a safe finish. I guess i didn't really push the envelope into great territory. It stayed comfortable. Because if you f- this up it's going to look bad for the rest of the franchise. I don't think this is a movie. I've ever going to watch again. Yeah probably not. But i'm glad. I saw i because you know it. It closed the loop on a lot of things. There's really nothing spoilers. There's nothing fresh about a main character meeting their demised. Avoid the need for another sequel. Okay The stories and the character are all closed out nicely leaving it all on the table. The earn any open ended issues to deal with because everything was resolved which created that sense of finality. The series really needed I did leave feeling satisfied. I thought that the motivations in the character backgrounds mesh together nicely to bring everything to a close i in terms of other actors leshan lynch. She's the guy the rich the guy she's the the actress who played nomi I thought she was well written. And that's one of the best examples of you. how good the writing was for this Each character stayed in their lane but still grew in develops throughout this loaded. Run time of a movie l. Play nice and resolve their conflicts ramble to work together to create impressive thing i liked. The nomi was confident but not so confident that she was arrogant. And that's a line that like captain marvel failed to walk for me to you terms. She was so arrogance and how powerful she was and how she can do anything. This was the opposite side that you know. And i think that like i said she. She straddled the line between confident arrogance. She was smart and she knew she was good in her job. And what she was doing but she knew that bond had the upper hand on her On experience so she stepped back and let you know worked together as opposed to dragging her heels. thought that We didn't. I don't know how to surname but the bond girl from specter this leah's So she's a woman played mallon's won it. I liked her intro ramming mount ramy rabie. Alex ray malik character but rainy malik just isn't a bond villain for me. He's better than ounce. Blow feld is better than a green but still not good. He's just done it for me. He's an awesome actor time and somebody. I wanna see more things. But he just doesn't land. The motivation doesn't really fit because he's not noticing or angry. Basically just hitler which is an awful comparison but that's not anything new. I mean the russian guy was taunting. No me and say. I can eradicate your west african culture in like heartbeat god. That's that's really dark a lot white hitler. So link the we've we've had plenty of movies with hitler's villain before. I did not really want them to turn it this way but they did. And that's really the only comparison. I can think but that doesn't make it a good like a good deal has better motivations than just you know that. Yeah so. I've sat on this for for two days now. Usually at right my reviews. Today's after just so. I can realized statement. Think about it for a little bit So i'm pretty confident in in my score for this one and what i feel about it. So would you think. I okay so we went to the new theater to watch it. Go not new but a different theater. it was. It was like a theater in like shopping mall. it wasn't bad but there was this dude behind me. And every time they crack a joke in the movie he had like the laugh. You know what i mean. Yeah so every time like every like fifteen twenty minutes when they say something sort of funny he's like i was like oh dear god and then there's one woman to my left. She didn't turn off her phone. And you could hear the stupid android notification like the me one. Gosh now my gosh and then when we walked out of the theater dad was like how can you just kill off color. How can you kill off. James bond and it was like we. Can't they got us so they can't you know make any more movies out of it. You know close the goes to file like but they've never done that for the other bond movies. I was like well. You just deal with. But i feel like no time. I was a very middle of the pack one. It wasn't super strong. Likes guy. faller casino royale but it also wasn't garbage like a certain second movie but it was good. I really liked Madeleine swanton this one. Whatever laya stay. Do but i really liked how. They introduced her. Like her little backstory. It was nice it was it was pretty interesting and i enjoyed her like overall throughout the movie. She was pretty she was she was pretty good. And then her daughter though. You didn't comment about that. But that was. I liked how she at first. She told bond she's like it's not it's not yours and he was. He was so hurt by that. You could tell yeah. Well she didn't want it to influence him one way or the other like their their lives. Were separate at this point and so yeah did like that. She told him that the the the girl wasn't his daughter that turns out she was obviously she was the is. Yeah it's i like liked the intro. Just how it made her kind of develop a mess and it started off differently. I didn't expect you know a rim. Alex character like be so infatuated with her part was kinda weird also expected her to remember his face unless he never took the mask off. Now i guess he didn't ever take off but he had the little break in the corner earned corner quote unquote just the break them ask but i like how he reveals himself to her. Although he's kind of creepy about it because he just he does not make a very good like he's not a bond villain like you said. Part of that for me is because he looks like a chihuahua. So it makes it a bit hard to see him as like an intimidating villain and then going back to the genocide when they were about aside when they were talking about like the abilities of the of the what was it the gas whatever the nano bots and everything and they were like it can kill off even specific ethnicities and i was like. Oh jeez but overall i i liked it. I feel like it was a very good conclusion to this very long saga and then care. Forget the death of felix. Yeah that was so sad. It was like he was so desperate but he's just like nam. An just. just leave me. Just go do it you know. Do you think in. And i liked that. They got rid of both of those characters in a way they hadn't really done it before because it made it. So like they can't reboot without creek. Which i think is the right thing to do. They can reboot with a fresh cast. But they can't really bring any of these other cast mates over to the next version. I also like town know me. She didn't she didn't like intrude on bond. And be like i'm the new 007 like you don't have any jurisdiction here. You know stuff. Like that. And i was like oh bond was like like he. He was respectful about it because he knew his time was almost up in. You know more people need to. It's time for someone knew like pretty much So i a. I thought this movie was very pretty. Lots of good visuals The sound and like the the scene. That repelling off the side of the building to do the i was sick. I thought that was very dark. Knight rises and hans. Zimmer did the score for for bad obviously and for this and it fell he. He borrowed a lot of it and there was a lot of felt like tenny music. Like the like the it almost felt to you. You've seen ten right. yeah. I watched it with you. Oh yeah well you know like the soundtrack for that. The beginning part sounded very similar to it. Yeah i love tenant then it is a good movie. it's not. It's not amazing. It's definitely hasn't aged. While the more. I think about it the more i don't like it but i still like it a lot. Yeah i think that no time to die like you said is a very middle of the pack with that said i guess we can go ahead and give our our rankings. All as you go go. I with your ranking. Do your your number one followed by your score. Then you're never too volatile score all right so my number one. And i feel like i feel like our lists are. Yeah that i think they're identical so number one. Obviously it's casino rail. I gave it a solid ninety to ninety two. Okay ninety two add one hundred and then sky fall number two. I gave in eighty seven like sky fall but it between sky fall casino. Royale was really tossup. But i just overall like rail more a number three no time die. I gave an eighty five. I felt like this was closer to stifle than sky. Fall was casino royale. Yeah and then number four spectre though ninety five nothing really special in quantum of solace i wrote in my notes. Pure shit out of one hundred. I'm going to give it a sixty five five. Okay would you get spectrum with us. Seventy My my number one casino. Royale okay just so you know. Our orders are exactly the same. Our scores free similar as well So my casino. Royale scores ninety cm better movies at ninety one ninety two ninety three. This is still a damn good movie. Sky falls in eighty eight for me not to die number three eighty five. So we're we're right on without Spector i gave a seventy-three and quantum asala davis sixty three. So we're we're in the same pattern. Yeah you know. Ten point difference between spectrum quantum casino rail skype all for me neck and neck. Two point difference just a little bit here and there that could made scaife all that much better not time to die as close but just not quite as good as sky. Fall is the first third and fifth one. Just awesome specter's where the wheels fall off and then quantum masala just bad bad bad bad movie. Yeah not my favorites but you know samples is only five so maybe there's a worse bond movie out there who knows somebody knows. I don't i don't really care to find out. Yeah it'd be pretty hard to be quantum of solace stuff. I'm sure there's there's one out there that's probably pretty bad probably in the forties. No doubt there's probably some in like the eighties. That are so bad that they're in the forties eaten. I just i did too much time to go out and try and research all that. I don't get paid to do this. So i'm not gonna do that. Plus the british know how many more british people like look at definitely need a shrink all at the vatican from from the brits so that was our james bond craig wonder five rankings reviews next week. We're going to do our top. Five horror bubis. So i am excited for that one. Not just horror plane. It could be sci-fi were it could be western or it could be romantic or anything with horror as a genre will work for this movie. It doesn't even need to be the scariest because we're not doing the scariest movies. Were doing the top five or remote right off the bat. Minor going to lean into the sci fi supernatural. I don't know about you. But i think that's mine are gonna go. I'm going to have to really peruse my my database and kind of figure out which ones i had tagged horror and which ones i'm going to include on this list so i'm excited for this. Number one is easily. I'm not sure what my number one is. It's gonna take me some time to figure out. But i think that next week's episode number three on our movies Definitely is going to be a fun one to listen to. i think we'll do. We'll do a brief summary. What we liked about it why you should watch it for each one and then a will put it to a vote and see who had the best top five So make sure you're listening to make sure you vote. Tell us which one of us had the better top five. And then you can tell episode is brought to you by movies films dot com where you can find weekly reviews search suggestions special features with new episodes from all our shows released every. Thanks for listening. Sure to check out the.

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"Hello hello merlin. Hiding during going out there fi find find fine. It's early it's good it's good. Yeah i thinks there. I mean good. It's it's it's less early here that's true you do get the benefit of that. Yeah but at nighttime. When i want to be awake in late you're still early Ha you think it's all about context. I mean everything's relative. I don't know if that's contextual or no everything relative. Everything is tip bec- typical typical mid coast liberal. Yeah relative relativist. Yes you are do. The hurricane has been god. Damn shame at least it does remind people that central time exists. You know yeah yeah. Sure absolutely and count on mountain time making a lot of progress anytime soon. No probably not. No no what this is going to be a weird one is. I've got i said is it. Yeah i think it might be i. I don't have really much of anything prepared. And i i have one incredibly unnecessary bit of follow up and then i have. I have a lot of things. I probably not ready to talk about yet. But but i'm but i'm exploring explorer. I explore what know what's going on your neck of the woods. What are you doing these days. Stimulate me wow. I mean doing you podcast things. You do fireside things. Yeah yup hearing things yeah you you work out yeah just got actually got done to fit it in some time Like when people think about us obviously they think about us being in the same room because we are were sitting across from each other at that table in the macworld office. Yeah well there. There're fumigating coit tower somewhere. Private office closed for now. But like i always imagine you the way i imagine you as you've got on three to four layers at any given time. You got your gene sneaker socks. That's not a layer. I'm talking about upstairs. You've got like a t. shirt usually the captain. America t. shirt. Then you've got like a long sleeve. Maybe t shirt over that. Maybe you have the long sleeve t shirt on first. And then the captain america over it. So you've got the sleeves out and then you've got a sweatshirt on your backpack. That's i imagine you recording with. Maybe sometimes even i could see putting a baseball cap on. I guess it depends on what you count is a layer. I suppose i think it's all contextual but boy you pretty much nailed it in a way. That's frankly kind of creepy. Yeah we're wearing jeans. But i have a who's a friend. Who makes sports ball shirt is that the jury got a I got a sports ball. T shirt because i like the cotton bureau shirts and over that. Of course i had any macworld and long-sleeve Shirt and. I can't wear a hat right now. I'm hatless repeat hatless Because i can't put on mccann's i don't get a good seal. We cans if beheaded. Yeah no. that's that's factual. Yeah so. I don't know i don't know just to see where this goes. You know because. I think people need good solid image of what's really going on. I would prefer they. Didn't i would rather seem like just. Just just disembodied disembodied floating had maybe. Yeah maybe like ian mckellen as the the great intelligence in that really good doctor who episode called the snowman just to give me as a big snow machine richard. E grant works for me you know. And he's out there and then you get the nanny who ends up in the ice no spoilers but just the museum mckellen's answering answering and so i've been working through these Bond movies again with my son. Who's now old enough to enjoy them. So that's another thing that we've been doing and and you know it's really interesting to watch these things. 'cause you remember with gruber. I went and we did the we would like to ask all of the bond movies and every week we would talk about a different bond movie. And what's weird is some of them. I remember very vividly from that time which was not that long ago. I mean it was eight or ten years ago. But i mean like that would be long enough that i would still remain. You would think. I would still remember watching them but some of them are remember the knees the knees in the bathtub. Yes dressed as a clown for this. I there's so much love skiing. A lot of skiing. Clod of skiing. I'd had no idea there was that much skiing. There's so much skiing in these movies and you know the effects are are universally. I mean bad. And i what i wanna do and my son i keep talking about this is like we wanna go back in time and interview someone from that time and say. Was this movie like the movies did. Most of them did very well. But like i wanna go back and say did they do well like were they. Were people taking them seriously. Like where the effects good or was it. Just like a as you would say a. Yuck fast where it'd be just you know laughing and having fun with it or was it. Is it serious like where the effects good like when when Sean connery dune buggy. Was that cool. Like did people say oh man. That's like a cool day. They like that's absurd. That's what was the reaction. What was the zeitgeist on that. Yeah there's stuff with movies maybe in particular outing movies and music or to come to mind for me. where it's it's impossible to understand again with the context It's it's virtually impossible to understand what something felt like at the time There's been an interesting Kind of Limited series on slate. Podcasts just different episodes about stuff that happened in nineteen seventy seven and The the show itself is pretty good. But i really like the sort of members only like they do. They do like a public podcast. And then they do like behind this episode podcast It's really good. So they want about nine hundred seventy seven and being like the year like jaws was seventy five at seventy. Seven is when blocked summer blockbusters really broke you know You think about especially star wars in the merchandise saying and just how it was everywhere encounters and all this kinda stuff and and they're saying like you know it's it's impossible to go back and watch the nineteen seventy seven movie called star wars and really. I mean i was there. I saw at the think the second week that it was out like i we could june maybe and had no idea what to expect and of course i was just blown my ass. Oh yeah like it was but you. It's difficult to remember how unusual that movie felt at the time and like in similar ways. another Pakistan like Blank check was talking about during the film's john carpenter right now. How we're talking about like when when halloween came out and there's like a three hour episode with this director is really interesting. And he provides an hour of that episode has just him providing context for. You can't understand halloween without understanding a bunch of other stuff that really likes you got psycho in sixty one or two. You've got rosemary's baby and sixty eight and you've got all these like kasana. Sam you got ted bundy. You've got david berkowitz you've got all this you know the rise of Famous serial killers before that it all all day all night. Ed geene all you ever heard about was game. And of course he was inspiration for texas chainsaw massacre and others but anyway i do think about that a lot. How you know you take something like blade runner and which certainly had its you know. It's inspired by lots of stuff. But you know. I think i mentioned this. Maybe last week talking about reminiscence like it's so hard to do a futuristic noir and not have it feel like even like a little bit like a blade owner rip off. Oh yeah. I mean it's going it's going to. You're absolutely right. You're totally right or alien. Might be another one from around the same time But and then put the also to your point with your son. It's also interesting to go like this effect seem more plausible than exactly like the like when like when people saw that. Were they looking at it like again. That's reasonable or that's pretty cool or was it just. Was it like look odd. That's horrible yeah. I mean it's not going to be like you know. Ultra man level of effects. Were you go go. Obviously that's a guy in a suit But i don't know. I i do think it's interesting and of course it's completely not interesting to try and explain that to somebody else you get somebody like buster keaton movie like the general and just feel like and not getting. I'm not getting wind up in the whole practical effects thing but like it's it's pretty amazing to think about movies that were made in the twenty s that still have some kind of currency today right sure and in that case you could see god. This guy's just doing these these insane stunts. There's no reason he should be alive at this point. so so. How far did you do again in chronological order chronological order and he actually asked me last night. He's like oh. Is there like another order like a machete or he didn't use the term but i'm using it for the sake of our audience i and i said I said yes. There's really if you wanted to watch them in order that they happened. I said really the only thing that would change. We would have to watch casino royale casino. Royale would have to come first. Because technically the daniel craig the daniel craig movie but david david griffin. No but i felt like it would be jarring to start with such a modern and interesting film and then kind of downgrade to like dr. No which is borderline like phil but the interesting thing is like look like last night. We just started View to a kill which is a late eighties bond film and in fact. It's the one that i've seen the most. I've seen it many many many times and that is not because to iran. Yes sir you are. Correct is few too is. That is that roger moore. No yes it is roger. Moore's last film before the Why don't wanna say dalton era I cannot remember the. Oh my gosh yeah timothy timothy dalton. Thank you pierce bras. Pierce brosnan after that. Who who to me didn't seem as much like bond as he seemed like remington steele. But i was fine with that. I thought that was fine. But so what's interesting. Is you know in in watching these. The i this is the first one that actually feels at all like a modern film. It feels like a film that not. I won't say could have been made today but it has more in common with films that are made today than it has in common with films that were made like dr no time period or really any of the movies before it like the filming of it looks. It looks better it looks more. Modern use of green screen is significantly reduced. You know it just. I'm not saying that it holds up as a great movie but it definitely doesn't feel it doesn't feel super old. When when viewed in context of looking at all the other ones so that part. I thought was fairly interesting. But there's so much in these movies that you like that. How did that get in. How did that stay. Why was it not taken out. You know like. I am even more so than the last time that i watch these with john it. It's it's mind boggling to me. And and yet they're still beloved by so many people they're still the franchise still continues. And i remember. I was talking to andy and nocco many many years ago. on a show that we were doing and i i had brought up the issue in the comic books. Why do we see so many essentially retelling of Of what is essentially the same story over and over again. You know like the same character. The same characters Origin story just told again. You know y y no new characters. Why so few new characters. And he pointed out he said you know because they just don't sell because people are just not they're just not that interested in a new character they they seem to be drawn to the same old characters. And when you think about it like we've got all these vendors movies in the spiderman movies and all these things that are coming out now and man like spider-man's been around for longer than almost anyone has been alive at this point if you think about it like that's crazy that that's that story the same origin story the same characters the same villains as many of the same problems are just retold over and over again. I don't know. I just. I think reinventing bond is interesting because they do that with a new actor and sometimes they act like the things that have happened before have happened. Like james bond's wife died right already or or not. Yeah i just love in. George lazenby one right. Yeah there's only film and that's rigged is in it. Yeah and it's it's you know it's pretty interesting in the closest they got to even addressing. This is later. I think roger moore shown visiting her grave briefly and that's the only acknowledgement and it's weird because in some situations it's almost like they're not really even They don't even acknowledge that there the other movies did exist and then in other ones they absolutely did exist. So it's it's bizarre. It's bizarre. I feel like i mean i can. I can speak for myself. I have whether i think it's wholesome or not i do have a fair amount of nostalgia for certain sorts of things and but it's interesting to me how in different sort of fiction gina's people have differing amounts of nostalgia and differing sorts of nostalgia and like so. Sometimes nostalgic can be like. Oh i really like. I like some. It could just be like. I like the coping in the donna donna. The gun barrel right. Like when james bond throws his hat onto the rack your or like when he gets the the tour of all the gadgets and stuff like that But it's you know. I think with comics. It's pretty uncontroversial to say that. Well i mean. I don't know i think one thing comics come has had a challenge for a long time on a lot of fronts and one of them is how do you get the right balance of even for a moment setting. Let's set aside from the franchise stuff and the fact that you know. At least as far as i know from inside information very few marvel artists and writers are are allowed let alone encouraged to create their own characters. Because you know that's then they would get some money from that and know. God god forbid bill. Manslaughter gets money for you. Know rocket raccoon or whatever. But it's it's a funny thing to try and get right. How do you. And when i think of myself going through my adult biggest adult comics phase. Two thousand twelve to maybe fourteen. And i was very attracted to like one of the was like going back to men. Obviously which we talked about a lot which. I'm still really intrigued by. But like how do you. It's fun to go. Oh that's hope summers. That's scott's daughter right and then you get into the whole like you go on wikipedia and you're like well is it. Madeleine prior is jean grey. Is it oh. God which black queens has also confusing and i think mentioned this before but if you go to the one say with kia fandom page for magneto. It's mind boggling. How many different does there are given all the universes and shows offshoots but see that. I think it's that intrigues me. Now i want to talk about that. Oh yeah we'll That looking at iran remember. We'll talk about that But i think it's a tough balance to get right because we've talked about this so many times over the years but you take something like just the kind of shenanigans they pull with like okay. Wh- what was the big one where they at the fire on the planet. That's secret secret wars. Yeah i warriors comes out. And it's maybe one of the most gimmicky of gimmicks is like. You've gotta bring all superiors and it's going to become the series and it's crossover events and like that was a very gimmicky gimmick. But you know what's funny as as a kid and mean i was. I was a kid i was in. Maybe high schooler junior high watching that one. I didn't feel like. It was a gimmick. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. I'm like this is great. You know but like as an adult. You're like yeah. This is how they will sell more comics. Wasn't giving the part that's funny about that is but like what starts as a gimmick and whatever that was the eighties yeah Starts is a gimmick then becomes a big tent pole of nostalgia and you know like look at all the shigen shenanigans. They pull it when i go to our library which has a surprisingly good graphic novel and comic section. It's so funny. Just read down the spines Because they're usually organized by author slick. Here's the diseases and all that but look it's just funny because like secret wars will. There's also really good. I guess you call it. A graphic novel called secret war. And that's the the one with the agent wants her head looks like angelina jolie. And it's very ben dessy but you've got you know you get something like god loves man kills and then that becomes something like man kills god loves man in all the little twist to with the names and it's like it seems right on the edge of deliberately trying to make something confusing but it also i think from a psychological standpoint kind of triggers. Oh yeah i love that. I love when wolverine had the brown outfit. Looks like this is going to go back to that. And now these different teams of x. Men there's x force and i know that that's been around for a while but i must be really tricky to get the right mix of hitting the nostalgia buttons while also having something that can bring in new people. And at this point we can reintroduce the whole franchise part of this which is a i. I don't know this might even beneficial at a certain point but like the comics. I think for a while now have mostly been there to kind of prop up. You know the franchises and to like support the current avengers movie and stuff like that. Yeah but anyway. So it james bond james bond. Obviously the similar thing happens with dr who where one thing that the the innovation of doctor who that really still seems amazing is like well. What if we had the actor in something close to the title role does not be pedantic but like we've got the doctor. Well this guy's all these kind of confused we wanna get somebody else okay. Well what if it's cannon now that something can happen that makes the doctor quote unquote die and the doctor regenerates as still the doctor but as basically a different person right that's such a wonderful innovation and then you can have lots of fun playing with aspects of their different personalities and playing with what they do and don't remember and remember. These are time travelers. their sense of time is really screwed. Up I mean there's one episode of really good peterka pulled the episode of one of my favorite doctor who episodes where he's basically in this castle for. I think it's billions of years and it just gets this kind of groundhog day thing. But i don't know but it is also interesting. What will and will not ring true with people like me at the height of my doctor who sentimentality round the death of The eleventh doctor. Matt smith like just seen the fiftieth anniversary episode. Which is my all time favorite episode of doctor who and then pretty soon. I think maybe right. After that was the regeneration of willem over he dies so corny and of course they still cried cried. But it's just weird. We'll won't punch your buttons. And then you get somebody like with the daniel craig stuff like. That was a pretty as much as that wasn't origin story in some ways. It's also a pretty hard reboot of the way the franchise had gone. Oh yeah and you're bringing up a really good point is that we just ranting. No no and we see this in comics to is that it is it. Is it a reboot or is it. Just the introduction of a new actor or a new more. Modern fem- you know introducing a new actor. There's there's a great scene when When roger moore walks into a room where moneypenny is but instead of seeing moneypenny. He sees a much younger and very beautiful woman. who seems to be like miss moneypenny. And the joke is they've just replaced. James bond perhaps they've revised moneypenny to and he says he makes a joke about it and he looks at her. He says something lamb paraphrasing. He says You get more beautiful every day and then the actual moneypenny sort of stands up and says james. I'm over here and so a little in joke about it and of course there's a lesson be joke where he kind of gets run down at the beach in the opening scene and says this never happened to the other fellow. You know so. He's making note of that and kind of looks at the camera breaking the fourth wall when he says it. And there's there's so many things though that are repeated in the film once the film's kind of get their their mojo working once. They're like yeah. These are the things that we do that are going to. We're going to have a cold open. it's to be bo. Usually bond and some kind of caper. That has nothing to do with the rest of the film. He's just catching him in the last ten minutes of some other summer some mission is a mission that he was on and now he's you know now that's kind of the open then. Something crazy happens but there is this other so you have that and then you have you know. Of course the scene where bond comes into the office to report in little banter with moneypenny. Then you've got them figuring out what the thing is and he's got go somewhere usually involve skiing or a boat or an airplane and it's like he's running across crocodiles right and easily become the the formula you know he's gotta have the introductory scene with q. Who gives him a gadget sometimes. It's on location somewhere. And he gets the cd the gadgets that was always my favorite part. Well god yes. There are all these different things that may like once like i forget which movie it is where there the first time there's all of them and once and i think it was maybe the third or fourth connery one but then connery comes back is essentially redo ball and it's yeah he's away for he comes back after lazenby right. Yeah i'm gonna forever. No yes he does for that one. Yes correct but then. I'm talking about the one later on where he comes back and never again which one. We just finished a little while ago. Soap it's so bad And interesting. And i've heard it's bad you have to watch it. You have to because the only reason you have to see this is so there were most of the bond films all except that one in the the other one the other weird casino royale. They're all done by eon. Productions and cubby broccoli did those so this one never say never again. There was some kind of legal dispute. Where a different production company somehow had the rights to thunderball so they wanted to redo thunderball with james bond at played by sean connery in it. And that's what that film was so it's not technically not really a james bond film because like the marvel characters in fox movies. Exactly right exactly right and you can have. You can have quicksilver. But quicksilver can't be you know want his brother and they can't call part of this team. Yeah exactly have to just be like altered phone with that in dead pool. Oh yeah which is such a good movie. I put there's the one where like colossus shows up with What's your name. Sonic the you know the girl. Yeah a and forget what they called her. But there's a great joke. Where wade says something like you can only afford to right. that's right. Yeah so you know all of these. I think are are interesting little. But like there's this one thing with these bond movies that you know that i think like when you watch them you kind of realize that there is this formula but when you're talking about nostalgia you then start to just expect those things. He start to want to see it when they have fun. It like with ben. What's it let's there's q. And m. right. Yes accused the quartermaster. The supply person right The gach and yeah but then so when they get judi dench to be q. And then ben wishaw as m. i love that actor. And like i love the scene like where he meets. James bond like at the art museum. You know do remember this attend now. I think it's in one say it seems it's gotta be sky fall which is my favorite. Yes scott so good. I mean all the new generation dollars did you know. Did it really cheating and look at the science site but yeah one billion one. Hundred and eight million. Wow that's pretty wild. But no i like the way they have fun with that and i think she is really good and you know this is good as refines as her boss. I think sky falls really good but then you know it's also funny because like i think a lot of people have said this. But you know james bond as a franchise feels pretty old and stiffen. Stodgy and i think. I think case at least in our household kid loves gold finger Haven't gotten to wash it with the commentary yet but if you you should get cash you should get the the forbidden commentary and listen to it. Oh the people just going off on guy hamilton. So good ken. Ken scott set. The guy's name the russian designer guy. Oh my god this commentaries. They're out there. they're so good. So basically criterion had these days. I think lasers versions of these were they had incredibly candid commentary from people who'd worked on the films and it's basically like i think i've got him here somewhere on dropbox but what do you do you. Do you play the commentary on another device at the same time. Yeah yeah it works. Pretty well but What was i going to say that. Oh yeah we'll remind me so running magneto and remind me about commentaries Below was i gonna say about that. I threw myself off of this having fun. Oh i think a case could be made very much in our household that are all time favorite. James bond movies are three mission impossible. Movies mean michigan's movies. I i've always screw up the names of them. But i like all of them to in extent except the first one i think. They're all excellent excellent. Excellent well you know. I think they got a feel for it pretty quick. You know the one. I don't remember the names. I don't remember the numbers but there's two in a row that i really liked. I liked the one where he's in the prison. And oh yeah got it. The cape is amazing of that breakouts. Lifa one also I like the one. You're like that Speaking of reminiscence. I like that. What's what's your name. Rebecca ferguson lady. I like her a lot. But those couple. Those are like such like best the uncut stuff in some ways. It's so james bond in some ways. But like i don't know it's they've bent it to you know make it work with whatever time cruises interested at the time and let's be honest some work giving ramos because he's been all of them and no one's sure why no one sure but that can be exciting deeply will sponsored this week. Yeah we do do you about and then we'll talk about magneto and whatever the thing was yeah i would love to tell about winnowed colino so. They made a special url for our listeners. 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And they want you to focus on you your projects or customers and not on your infrastructure. So they have a really cool deal for our listeners. Merlin winnowed l. i. n. o. d. e. leno dot com slash back to work. You make an account that's free. It only costs money if you start adding servers you can connect with your google account your get hub account caesar email address when you go to that your dot com slash back to work. You're getting one hundred bucks in credit. Pretty awesome data last a long time over there. so go check it out and I guess what merlin. Thanks very much to leonard for making this show possible. Thanks book everything. I just wanna add everything. I do for five five and and fireside is at that says something they exclude you they should include you in that. I cannot find weird. Can't find the commentaries. But i know i've got him. I don't see them on the back of my truck. I know i have them somewhere. I feel like. I've probably named it in a cute way dummy. It's got to be in here somewhere. You know one thing is needed when descript you can set up descript that by like that does transcription of and editing. One is you have dues. Automatically put a recently. it's added markdown. But historically that. Tst like it will put a transcript in in. Its own dropbox folder. Yeah so it's kind of cool. If i ended up doing a search on dropbox it'll include textiles. And if i've mentioned something on a podcast it'll pop up just kind of cool. That is very cool. That's that's one to grow on. She returned find magneto. Yeah tell me what's going on with. What do you mean all the. Because i know that like like the one thing that i always wonder about in the comics so i don't know if this is a plot hole of this is just me being dumb and you remember how How in the movie. Logan which are showed my son in that movie. Wolverine is his his Healing pa- spoiling the movie. If isis spoiler his healing powers have basically been burnt out. They've stopped work. He's really old rickety. Yes and the reason for that is aging in this. Having this problem my understanding of it is because he is His his adamantine team skeleton is and has always been poisonous to his body and as a result of that It is been slowly killing him and eventually it just it just got to be too much. His body could not continue anymore and Burnt out and so now he's like old and dying and the fact that he's still alive at all is because of the healing power. That's still working. But if he takes additional damage if he gets shot or whatever he no longer instantaneously heels to quit the ice king. This magic keeps me alive. But it's making me crazy. Yeah so my question. My question is if magneto was around and he knew this was going on. Couldn't he have gone to magneto years ago before it was too late and said dude like you did it once before. Do it again. It's going to hurt but get the skeleton outta me. Get this adamantine cover over my skeleton out. I just wanna. I just wanna go back to my regular. No man having watched chernobyl recently. I think i think you gotta you gotta keep the sarcophagus in place. Yeah i mean if you take off that adamantine him could just be crumbly. Bones crumble bones as well. Yeah maybe maybe it's fun. We watched one the one one. My kid likes is knock. Loves man kills. But what's the movie with days of future past which sticks a lot of liberties with everything every but it's pretty fun when he shows up in nine hundred seventy five or whatever and he does the club pop. He snicks yup and outcomes bones because he hasn't been coded yet colorado fine eleven and we meet a young young striker. Yes yes. Do i just sent you a link. Danna will point out at this juncture. That this is so funny so a trick that i am legally required to mention once a month. If you're looking for google and you know what's what website it's on e. can even know what directory it's in site colon dot tv slash. Btw in the word. Magneto is how. I found the link to the mini. Magna's and we too. We do have an episode episode. One eight four called days of bathrooms pass. This is fun to read. You got one year problem. We're all waiting in the same line days of bathrooms past. That's funny and make egg. Macguffin says english Say too clever by half. What does it show where we people find show notes for episode the five four four five four four. It's gonna be back to work out limos slash five four four. Yeah get me nope so as previously featured in an earlier episode. Click on that link. And scroll scroll scroll look at all those mag nita's why are there so many universes That's such a great thing when in in the spider man spider verse movie. When there's the scene of like all of the disruption in brooklyn 'cause kingpins doing the thing to get to his family and you can see up on the screen you see all the numbers of the universe's funnel easter egg. There are lot look at all these different versions magus the steam from steam punk god world on earth two zero three two nine zombies discover apes. Norman osborn one the siege x. Topi new battle world haunted mansion whereas lot here. This'll be newt. Good stuff. Oh yeah i know it also is going to say so anyway. That'll be a notes clicking the button. What am i saying is nothing important. Follow up about my nanna leafs. Good are they still falling Avoid you that because that's interesting. Why am i saying this. Why am i talking. I should prepare more. I'm still. I still cova brain. Kobe bryant got travel brain. I got a lotta different brains. Did you get did you covered. No okay no sorry. Got pandemic brainer. I'd say i have this list of like. I say i've got this list of things where i'm in between like not really. I've been thinking a lot about the app obsidian. I've been thinking a lot about stress and trauma. I've been reading and hearing a lot about that and Currently right now third item because always three things with me is our how households especially my kid mir obsessed with community which i never got into before for no particular reason but now we're watching it and really enjoying it and related to what we were talking about a minute to go. I read this on the wikipedia page four community. And i knew one of these things. And i hadn't thought about the other thing. But i'm gonna read you these two have you heard of Dan harmon's i guess semi famous story circle idea. I am going to say no. Could you tell me about it. yeah So this is a sexual four point three writing. Each episode of community is written in accordance with dan. Harmon's template of story circles that he developed while at channel one harmon rewrote every episode of the show Which helpful in the show's voice dvd. But it's a it's a. It's a pretty neat idea. Let me find it. So it's a circle. Oh damn it. Whereas i found it somewhere senate to alex. Let me go check in there. But it's this idea of storytelling kind of like you know it's similar to other kinds of story things you've heard before but the idea. Is that every story i'm scrolling. I'm scrolling every story travels in a circle and now i can't find it but i will find it for notes i am so so sorry i'm scrolling scrolling. I hear it is short story structure or one. Oh one So there's a circle so it says here did address circle in divided in half vertically. Divide circle again horizontally. Starting from the twelve o'clock position going clockwise number of the points the four points where the lines cross the circle which is one three five and seven and so basically. Here's these eight parts of the circle. Number one character is in his own of comfort too but they want something three the enter unfamiliar situation for the adapt to it. Five to get what they wanted. The six they pay a heavy price for it seven. They returned to their familiar situation. Eight having changed. And i don't know but thinking about that. I think super interesting. Somebody else really comprehensive. I'll put it in notes because it also reminds me a little bit. It's all these different ways. There's you know people say three kinds stories are seven kinds of stories. It's thirty two kinds of stories. But joseph cambell stuff but like i think one of my favorite disgu- i don't know how to credit for this added to the quotes file but somebody wants described the three act structure of a player. Move your whatever i mean. There's a lot of like select you know. Obviously you mean character is probably somebody who going to like or pull for. But you've got protagonist and the first act. The protagonist gets chased up a tree in the second act. We throw apples the protagonist while. They're up in the tree and the third act we see how whether and how they got down from the tree and how they were different as a result. Because i'm pretty good like that. Yeah but then. Here's the part. I need to spend more time on. So that was the first paragraph of section four point three writing. We just watch this episode twice in the last day because it's so good. The show is well known for its frequent use of matic episodes which use cliches and television tropes as single episode concepts the play with suspension of disbelief while maintaining a continuity. The plot so like there was one. This amazing absolutely say i watched twice where op-ed play by the wonderful. Danny pudi there's like a dance that's happening in the cafeteria. Gonna be another dance happening in the cafeteria. And shirley wants to set up with the lady from church and annie wants to set him up with this manic pixie dream girl and he decides just on the basis of it being a funny trope to do it because it would be the calm trope of having to go on to dates Back and then Brie larson appears in it. She's really good in it but he's very into semiotics and i wanna learn more about how that all fits together as you can tell. I haven't prepared anything for this. But this is what i'm thinking about. This is our concern. Dude i'm thinking about I'm thinking about Semiotics story welcome back to that. Okay circle back. Yeah so my. My natalie's fell off the wall again. Yes no well number jabba. Like last week i came in and put my bottom in my seat and kitchen pump up. Everything goes down. How many is that seventeen seventeen or nineteen enough to make these three three four five five beautiful interlocking hexagons interlocked interlocken and they all fell down. So i you know what i did. I went to the hardware store. And i went and i got the heaviest heavy mounting tape that i could find to give it a fourth try and so far. They've stuck up. I got got the scotch brand extreme mounting tape and so far. They're holding up now. I don't think it's gonna stay forever. Because as i as stipulated. I think my walls might be a little bit wet. But we'll see we'll see someone was wrote in and said what you need. Oh yes One of our listeners. And you need to do about the the wet walls was on. I can't remember. oh well you know. These are old walls The the walls were built in the think. Think early nineties. And there. You know. I i don't think great pains were taken But there there's a kind of nibley it's not like a popcorn ceiling but they're little bit nobly and i think it has trouble gripping so i'm going to do what i can with that you know. I really liked the lights. It's very pleasant. It's very pleasant. I've got some strips. I got some shapes and it makes it very pleasant in here. And and still at any time i can have them all. Turn on super bright. You know i can make them warm and cool. I can do something borrowed. I could do whatever. I wonder my lights about them. So you know. Do we wanna talk a little bit about the smart devices thing. Sure i'm i'm literally out of ideas. I'm sitting here talking about the tv. Show community larson was on though it was quite a surprise. You know what. I'm talking about here. Talking about envy adams talking about captain marvel. She was on the. Don't be confused because allison brie is also on. It's not allison brie larson. It's not it could be could be. I wash watching. Glow last night's if that would be fun to watch with my kid. It's got a lot of boobs nookie so there might be a lot of fest over daddy you you know qassam one point. She's on the in the top larry and they're just kinda of around. I thought that's maybe a bridge too far just for this particular time is the moisture that's on the walls it's not moisture i was joking there's no actual moisture they just they. Things don't stick especially considered attaching something to the wall and then attaching lights to the thing that i have like almost like a big a bulletin board for lights. Yeah like like some kind of superstructure yet. I'm trying to think of what that could be like. You don't want plywood up there horrible. I mean part of the challenge with this. I mean like anybody cares but part of the challenge with these is so in this case. He's called the nanna leaf shapes and their hexagons. And the strap together with these little flimsy clips right so basically you got a power source going to one of your nana's leafs and then so that natalie. Then we'll have a little dingus. The clips into one of the six sides which thin miriam clever in generally nominally and then that clips to another of your nanna leafs solely for the purpose of getting power to all of them. It's not intended to be something that holds it together. The way that these things stay up is by adhesive that you put on this little spinney thing at the center of each one of these and then once you get one right get it leveled then you can add other ones but it's a bit of a trial now that i've done it at least five times i'm getting better at it but and i'm using way more clips and they recommend. I bought two extra packs eclipse because dan. I don't know i had this fantasy that it'll all fit together but the the lights are nice. What's going on with your smart stuff. We've we've been caught up with your second awhile. Yeah it's been a little while you know. I haven't i haven't done it for one. More segment probably already. I've still been researching this stuff. I've still been looking into. What would be the best way to do it. I still feel like for me. Philips hue set up with the little hub. Thingy is probably the best thing to do. But like it's it's weird because i feel like we are with this technology we are going to be seeing changes with it. Still feel like any investment that i make now which is fine by the way but i feel like any investment we make now is going to be temporary investment. Like all use. It might work for a year or two. And then they'll be some other newer better technology out there and way too long then you're syracuse and he's got a plasma. Tv from nine hundred seventy eight. He won't just bite the bullet and buy tv. Like i bought two in the time. That i've done a podcast with johnston accusa and i'm not like fancy lad i've i've purchased and two different. Tv's and he's still like waiting for like whatever. I got to get the right kid of cpu fans allowed you know. He's got all every reason in the world. But i'm you got the money. Just buy tv stepped in this to your family. And you're gonna you're gonna die without having a new tv and everyone's going to be so sad. I know all this time. He hasn't been enjoying anything you know. He's always got always got the flu. So i'm okay with that. Like kay in with the concept of saying you know what we we need to have something and i'm going to spend some money on something that won't last that long okay. That's that's but but about it's a balance. I take your point though because it is a balance of like understanding even years into this at this point. I mean i'm telling you. I you would not believe how much wrestling i've got to do with even something as solid as hugh like my zig channels. Were all goofy. The other day. I had to change all of that. And that's a trial. We're going to turn all the lights on which means then resetting all the switches and that this is at home were. I took everything off of home assistant So like i finally was like i got my family's gonna kill me is stuff keeps going out for no apparent reason. But i'm with you. There's a balance to be struck realizing. I don't need need this stuff but doing even as an early adopter. I'm enjoying this but you have to temper that with well. If this google apple everybody alliance ever comes together. What's that gonna mean. What is what is thread. Gonna mean in the next three years and like you don't want to have five hundred dollars in sunk cost. You know what's interesting is you. You mentioned apple. And as i was thinking about this i was thinking you know as as one often does. What is it that that has made apple so successful. because there's there's a reason why they're successful. And i don't think everybody thought was a commodity and figure out how to make it better in charge more. Yes that is certainly one aspect of it Another aspect of it or another thing. That i think apple does well is they. They are ahead of the curve when it comes to identifying a cool new technology and rolling it out and so think about the original airport. The it looked like a ufo. Do you remember that. We had like a little conical. Tom yeah i mean it looked legit like ufo which was really really cool inside of this thing. It just had an airport. Pcmcia card and a tiny little circuit board and that was it but apple figured out how to do this and how to make it look cool and it was white and it may. Maybe the first one was gray. Kind of it looked really cool. It was a neat little thing and inevitably. Yeah we added a hard drive added back to my mac easier for that to be the way in and out of your household exactly and i it just. It really seemed like that ushered in the era of wi fi and it wasn't the only one it wasn't the first one i had links this one before that. But you know they brought it out and they had an app that would made it easy to configure. And i think the euro sort of emerged as the batter cooler way to do it and now for that same kind of experience of i just want something i can plug in. And that's going to be easy for nontechnical person to set up like era wins big time. But that's something that that. I think we need to see in. I mean what what we want with this lighting thing. We want to go and get a bulb and put it in a lamp. And it's now it just works and understands and you can then go to some pretty interface and say At seven o'clock at night put this slide on and turn this one off and if it's raining do this with them. You know like that's what you wanna do. You don't wanna have to actually think about the implementation you don't want to set it up and if you remember like the days of like setting up your entertainment system in your house like there were companies. There still are but they're all very high end but it was impossible to have like a surround sound system in your own house. You couldn't really do that unless you really knew what you were doing it to hire someone to install the speakers in the ceiling and the walls and run all the cabling and like yeah. Maybe there's like one of your buddies might be able to help you do it but realistically you're gonna hire a company to do that And now you can do all of that stuff with all of the apple stuff. The alexis stuff hoops Alexa stop and it's like really cool that you can just like. I have music playing throughout the whole house. Just by saying hey. Play this on everywhere. And it's just laying in everywhere and like that's insanely amazing. And if you wait for these amazon wants to go on sale you can get the dots for like twenty five bucks and the big ones for like fifty bucks and they usually do a few sales in the year. And then you're in every room of your house or pretty much has music in it like that. That's what we want you know and you just turn it on you plug it in you turn it on and it says oh. I see what's going on here. I'm connected like that's so cool. That's how easy it should be. And that's what i want to get to with these bulbs. And and i feel lamb. You know people. I i understand the whole privacy concern about everything. And like i get that. But if you don't care about that kind of thing or you're not concerned about it or you trust the companies that own the devices that you're putting into place you see you see these trade-off you perceived to be happening. I agree with you. That's but it is funny. How like i feel like this era sort of kicked off in got got big really with the Amazon to products Because they weren't terribly expensive. And you know. I put but the thing is okay. Let's kinda describe this. I've gone through all these oscillations and waves as i've played with this stuff for years now and spend actually a probably shocking amount of my time doing something related to home automation. Smart home. Whatever you want college include the sinology with that like a part time job. I've got i've got my fourth hard drive of the week in their repairing right now just to like increase my capacity a little bit conservative. I do as hr too. I do like paranoid one but anyways this is the one that uses space to create more redundancy. You can have two discs fail right which is probably too. It's probably overly conservative but but like okay so for example like it's just i don't know feels that there's something useful or meaningful in this to me. Okay so you get your amazon device and you hook it up. It's pretty cool that you know. i mean. in a way. The amazon tube device was in some ways almost like a the way. I used a mac at one point just in the sense of i was not using it like this is a poor analogy but like i had a the max that i used up until the what was it wasn't until the mid nineties that i got a modem that i could use at home at work and at school especially went to a printer. Maybe a file server right you know. Maybe there was a filmmaker database. Scream across the office. Please remember to close this when you're done otherwise crashes But and in some ways. That's that's more like what the product is to me like you would ask a questions. Would you could use timers you could ask but it was like really closer to a book. That computer network is really more like a big book. And then i think it's i mean i might be remembering wrong but like yeah. There was some home automation stuff to it but a lot of it was like it was just as clever like speaker was i think mainly marketed as speaker. Yeah that could also do stuff with your voice. And that's cool and they very. I feel like they were very aggressive with signing basically working with everything in the same way that netflix wants to run on. Your you know your ice maker. Probably but so when you do go this really cool guy like my lights. Turn on and off. Well you have a couple different routes you can you. You can go to the hub route or the non-habr out but like but then also you. So let's say you get houston well in my house. It's not fun to have to talk to turn on the lights. It's to have to talk to turn on the lights because as we all know if somebody goes and uses the switch like a person who's add technology worked flawlessly for the last hundred years like that screws it up so now you put covers over light switches. Because that's kind of monster you are now now. Your family has go. Talk to a lamp to have light right and people hate that. But you see this is this is this kind of eb and flow back and forth. Things get better like i have. I had gotten stuff so tricked out and set up in my house. And i don't know what happened but i am not blaming hugh. I'm not blaming anything but like hugh has been poop in the battle lately. The the the the small bits of the pellets poop are just win. It's not responsive. And i have to reboot it like power cycle. That sucks the one. That really sucks though is where it just seems to very forgetful and how it works with hunkin so sometimes when it poops the bed. It forgets everything it forgets. What's in what room. It's forget and i do a full sink. So in hugh you can go in and say sync everything from here to hong kong. Yes it's okay to override whatever's there but there's no elegant solution to that forgetfulness. Because guess what all those automations all those scenes all those things like. If you're not careful that'll just goes away and then you've got to recreate it so i can't tell you how many times i've recreated the automation that when when there's motion detected in the bathroom after nine pm and the light is off. Turn it on for five minutes and that just that just stops working in. That's my clue usually like. Oh i see it pooped the bed again and i know that i'm putting that too strongly but it's it just goes to show you though that we are still at a fairly early adoption phase not lease again to to paraphrase siracusa. Apple has put a certain amount of wood behind the arrow of automation home kit. But it's obviously not as my friend markowitz say it's not a priority Because it's kind of it's still the whole map is still garbage. Fire almost everywhere. If you really wanted to use that the way you would use any app like how do you select when my nanna leaf accent. When i when i accidentally unintentionally add twenty new scenes to home kit to delete them. That's like a three or four click process. There's no multi select to say do something to all of these or delete all right. Yeah like you went in like with g mail messages or something. There's not that level yet. it's still cute. It's still little little tipsy teaspoons of stuff that work fine as long as you don't really use it. Well that sounds negative when you put it that way at is but it is. It is kinda great when it went it all works. But i'm with you. I'm very curious to see where stuff goes next. And i wonder why do you suppose so. You know the name of that. What's the name of that initiative. No i know what you're talking about. It's off it's this. It's that you keep hearing all these different colliding reports that all the smart the big players in as big tech and home automation are working on some kind of shared standard. Is that correct. That my understanding of it. What is it called shared on a mission. Somebody's screaming noun right now. I'm sure chip summary. Yes chip tip. Amazon apple and google's open source smart home standard on track for twenty. Twenty one Ah that's as of september project connected home over. Ip aka chip so You know i mean anytime you see like any like where these guys are supposed to be working together on a thing i mean. I'm always very skeptical of that because like that. Just never when that happened. Historically was just the reason. I brought up though. I'm wondering what and i. I honestly don't know the answer to this. But what are you suppose gave this. Companies the incentive to work together especially given how much they deliberately well for different reasons. Different product lines deliberately will exclude each other. Sometimes i wanna do well. I don't know because like wouldn't like okay. So they're working on that and that seems cool but at the same time like wouldn't it be nice if you're google devices that you used to play music could just also play synchronized music with your amazon devices. That doesn't seem totally like to mean. Okay so i'm looking at. It doesn't seem like too much to ask. I'm looking at project chip on get hub. Says it's called matter now. I guess does that sound right matter. Formerly project chip is creating more connections between more objects on to celtic bs own. It's related to zig be. Oh great still going to be. Msnb world anyways Of some of the builds are failing. Just say no no. No no no they shouldn't. They didn't run their unit test. If you know what. I mean i know build with matter i will put this in shuts down. I think we've run our course this episode. I'm appointing this week. I'm a little hoarse. Do you hear me more. What's going on with us yelling at my family just drunk and angry so belligerent. I wake them up. And i say it's daddy's yellen time. Yeah get up get up. Tick tick off your headphones. I'll give you something to cry about. I'll give you something to cry about. Yeah matter is the foundation for connected things up with us in notes and so Oh hey everybody remember. Tomorrow's rabbit rabbit. First words out of your mouth on the morning. Your dirty hor mouth. The first words out of your mouth when you wake up on the first of september twenty twenty one he say rabbit you think. Do you think they're gonna remember. Might take a few months but you know not. Even the rain had such malk. Asian who is not a mill who wrote that e e cummings. I believe so. Yes see writer who know no arms coming should get examined. You're right you're going to be my need to lay down. i think. Let me just see if they're done fumigating. My office at the foot coit tower. Nope still at it. Still doing it still doing it. Termites let's button this up. Okay okay love. You love you to merman

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Episode 525: Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)

The Projection Booth Podcast

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Episode 525: Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)

"An airwave media podcast show people could to see this movie when they go out to a theater they want. Cold sodas popcorn and no monsters in the projection booth. Everyone pretend podcasting is at boring close encounters of the first kind citing of an unidentified flying object close encounters of the second kind physical evidence of a ufo close encounters. I'm the third time. Actual contact columbia pictures in association with emi presents. Close encounters of the third kind director is steven spielberg. With most recent motion-picture jaws is already a legend. Producers are julia phillips and michael phillips sting and taxi driver creating special effects is douglas trump. Who in this. Bill goes far beyond achievements in two thousand one space odyssey for the music. There was only one choice. Eleven time academy award nominee. John williams composer of the scores for jaws and star wars. The technical advisor is the world's foremost authority on identified flying objects dr j. allen hainan of northwestern university heading the cast is richard dreyfuss who has shown his rare talent in such diverse films as american graffiti. The apprenticeship of duty kravitz and jaws and making his american debut as an actor is a great fresh director. Francois truffaut winner of the nineteen seventy four academy award. A close encounter would happen to heading in happen to you. It does happen to roy nearing an average working man nearly find his life. His very world changed people. We have very little time missionary. We need answers from you. Honest direct and to the point to are you all have you recently had a close encounter. I wanna speak to someone. Short between between i want a lot to complaint motion counter with something very unusual but that was going around the title of the picture. Close encounters of the third kind refers to an intriguing possibility. Out of the first kind is one is close but nothing really happened. Close encounter of the first kind is visible contact with. He will so forget the shape. Forget about baptists. Going something that you just can't explain pros and cons of the second kind which leave a physical trace goals in the ground fern rings broken tree branches telephone lines down. Animals disturbed stopping of car. Engines in the close encounters of the third. Kind are the most interesting of all close encounter. Third guy is really a when you meet them. Encounters of the third experience of an ordinary man chaired by people from all over the world. Irresistibly draw by compulsion. Witless the most dramatic event in the history of the human race. You will see has never been seen before begins in an indiana tile and lead to one capable inclusion saying welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike way too many once again is susan glint ska. I've got my mashed potatoes. I've got my sunburn chest. And i'm ready to go. Also back in the booth is l. Goro sound a bit distracted. But i'm still looking with care for the shape of a square. I will find it. Science month continues with a look at steven. Spielberg's nineteen seventy seven film close encounters of the third kind. It's really three stories and one in the first it's former cartographer david laughlin. Who's been recruited to help french scientists. Claude lacomb investigate a strange series of alien visit patients. The second concerns julian guiler. Who's little boy berry is kidnapped by aliens in the third follows. Roy neary a man who's disillusioned with his life until he witnesses a group of alien ships which plant an image of his head as kind of an invitation to join them. We will be spoiling this film. If i didn't just already spoil it for you as we go along so if you haven't seen close encounters of the third kind or it's prequel films close encounters of the second kind close encounters of the first kind. Please turn off the podcast and comeback after you have we will still be here so al gore or when was the first time you saw close encounters of the third kind. And what did you thank you. I honestly i've been trying to think of when i first saw and i really can't nail it down ahead been tv. Watching and the kind of memory. That i sort of have is that i was my dad and was flipping through channels in sort of landed on about midway through and he knew that i was into science fiction and particularly into et. And i i do kind of remember him saying if this was before we team and watching as a young child and kind of being disappointed that it was decidedly. Well not et like but we'll certainly get into some of that later on and then over the years you know i catch bits and pieces here here and there on television but i don't think i actually ever sat down to watch the entire thing until i think it would have been the thirtieth anniversary release when spielberg did his preferred director's cut of the film. Ever since then. I've just been absolutely enamored with the movie. It had existed previously as one that was not quite at the same level of you know steven spielberg at the height of his powers in the late seventies into the eighties. But now for me. It is undisputedly one of his masterpieces and susan. How about yourself about eight or nine when this came out. That's just a little bit now. Had seen star wars just a few months before and you could not be out of that theater then when this came out. I think my parents rightfully kept me from it. Because i still going through that phase right get a little scared of scary things you know as a kid you want all you cared about where the elliot's looked like so i just remember being consumed with wanting to know because you heard the rumors that they were amazing and all of that stuff so eventually it came on tv so like so many great movies. It was one of those movies. That i unfortunately i saw on this little electronic box with commercials and bed at its and i know that's a whole other version of this movie gets even probably different from the ones that are out that people can purchase but anyway. That's probably the first time i saw it and my memory is that i was pressed up against the television waiting to see those aliens didn't really care about the rest of the story. It was adult enough. That i just didn't care probably couldn't really follow it. Those aliens did not disappoint now as an adult. I really really appreciate the complication of the complexity of the story. And how the story is told. And i think it's a really really unique spielberg movie. It stands out amongst his entire roster. Something really different so anyway. We'll be talking about that but Definitely as a kid it aliens. They were as scary as i could possibly imagine them and they were worth every bit of the waiting and the horror tv screen. Yeah i think. I saw this one. I on television as well. I think our tv might have been a little bit bigger as probably at least like twenty four inches. It's kind of like watching fantasia in waiting for mickey mouse waiting for the aliens in this movie it was just like i waited one hundred twenty minutes before the first alien even showed. Is it worth it. Yeah probably is the buildup worth it. Yeah yeah. I mean. As i got older i definitely the movie more. I mean it was such a part of pop culture. I mean that five note riff that the movie has was just everywhere that i'll close out the show with the meco disco version an own. It still on it. Original original improves came out. I still have that record. Yeah i mean it was such a pop culture phenomenon by yet. Compared to the other science fiction film that was released earlier in nineteen seventy seven. I definitely have my druthers and this one really wasn't one. I went back to too often. I remember watching it probably mid nineties. And that's when it finally clicked with me. And then i go see it. Not the thirtieth anniversary but the fortieth anniversary and that was the first time i ever saw theatrically and i was just like. Yeah okay this works. I don't know which version i ended up seeing because my god there are a lot of different cuts of this thing. And then the more i think about it the more. I'm just like okay because you know there's that relationship that spielberg has a kubrick. And the more. I think about this movie the more i think about how this is kind of an answer to two thousand one a space odyssey. I can certainly see that they are dealing with very comparable themes but if anything else it's interesting to how much it speaks to the the men behind it the fact that when spielberg would take on this material. His focus is so much more on the emotional impact of what this would be. I mean i don't think that Stanley kubrick would ever base anything off of the lyrical refrain of when you wish upon a star. I just can't see that as a people like to say. That clip encounters was the first movie where aliens piece fall and trying to help humanity. I would debate that via the controversial. Take on that as far as what. This movie release says i think kubrick rick was the first to propose that aliens were friendly. I mean i think that was the point of two thousand one that they're helping us so i think that's a little unfair to take that away from kubrick but secondly what also steel takes from kibera is the horror aspect which i think is really significant in this movie. I think this is a terrifying movie in a way. And it's so funny to think about. The melting of this child is innocent child and it's got like almost little aspects of et and what's going to come in the future from spielberg. I wished philbrick did more harm if he's actually because he's so good at it. It's genuinely scary. And that is very much a reflection of two thousand. And one which i think is very much has amazing harvey elements including music which ended up in the exercise which ended up in the shining. And all that stuff you know. There's there's a lot of har- in both of those movies so you don't think too was peaceful alien it was. It was a limited a little bit since he had gorge going around melting things with laser rise. So i mean he had good intentions. He wanted to save ourselves from ourselves. Yeah he was the first space. Jesus spacey one of many spacey's assists. No not as good as franco. Nero in the visitors can be as gas go near the visit. A door that. Oh it's so good to talk about music. mike. God both of those films have lance anderson and really i mean i didn't notice him at the end. There's one shot of his face. What else is he in this movie. How am i always missing him all. I pretty sure all of his other scenes got cuts. I was looking through some of the deleted scenes and it was like. Oh there's lance anderson okay so he was in a slightly more significant role than descended up on the cutting room floor. You had like our weather's as in here playing guard. I never notice him when he's in here. No never i always find it very fascinating the road this took to get to the silver screen. This whole idea of the original drafts were really like one hundred and eighty degrees different from what we ended up with. You know we've got roy and his becomes more childlike like he's to these ideas and he's very wants to play games. He loves his toy trains. He's just like he feels very much like he wants the second childhood. And i think that's why the aliens are like okay. You're our guy kinda thing and then you look at what the original story was like that this was supposed to be from the point of view of somebody working for project blue book and they actually see an alien and i go. Okay yeah the thing that we keep saying as fake action real and then the government's like yeah if you go public with this kiss your life. Goodbye you're going to be mocked by your friends. You're going to be ostracized. His the guy sees salient. He does go public. Everybody turns against him his wife divorces them everything is just going to shit and it's this really crazy biblical analogy and there's definitely a lot of biblical stuff in the final film. But this whole thing of Paul on the road to damascus and how he becomes a believer in what scott and proselytize about the aliens basically. And it's kind of funny how it goes from this. You know very stern government official to roy. The guy that works at the power plant is fascinating to me. You know as reading about that Original paul schrader Script for that and thinking what was spielberg thinking. You know task pulse schrader with this material. Because when one looks at his filmography his sensibilities do not seem in line with what we know. Close encounters was. But then i have to keep reminding myself this is before spielberg was you know. He was comfortable in his own voice or what he wanted to say. And i really think that a film close encounters really helped solidify for him more in the kind of movies he wanted to make. I mean i was watching an interview with them on the blu ray for this and he was talking about. You know the lessons. He learned while making this movie and he mentioned that jaws for all of its success wasn't a movie that really taught him anything other than don't make a movie on the water but close encounters was something that was a revelation for him in terms of filmmaking. So it's interesting to to mark that. Sort of journey and see it come into fruition as kind of the emergence the arrival of the spielberg that we will know for pretty much the rest of his career. Somebody can write that movie very well of the sort of be based on that guy dr high neck. I'm forgetting his first name. But he's the one of the people who consulted on close encounters. Who was a ufo expert. He will he was not a youthful as per person brought in to debunk these sightings and eventually came to the conclusion that while. I don't know. Maybe i can't explain some of this stuff and so he ended up consulting bit so i think that's his story and somebody could do a good job with paul schrader. I tried to read that script like ten times. I fell asleep every time. I could not get through. It was not get scrapped and the same with nights guys to the movies that were not made that spielberg eventually rejected. You know he comes up with reasons. Why but i think also just comes down through these. Were just not good scripts. Somebody else could do it and maybe even do it. I mean i think he did a great job with the which was not his kind of movie which is interesting because it's a flip of this movie. But that's not his kind of story and he nailed that. I thought i thought he did a great job with that. I think it was just more along the lines of at this point in his early career he was still fighting a voice and obviously yes he would. He would expand out his palate a little bit and wore. The world's is a perfect example of that that you know. He's not afraid of going grim. I mean this is the man who brought us schindler's list of all things of course but it is interesting to see where his instincts were here and that this was a movie that he was clearly very attached to which is why i think it went through so many iterations. I mean like john hill david. Geilo lot of people worked on the script. It finally arrived in penned by steven spielberg though. I can't help but wonder how much of the earlier drafts made it into his final draft. But one thing. I would say about being early in his career. Is one of the reasons i think this movie is outstandingly good in his reign. His whole Roster is that it it. Doesn't this is a backhanded compliment. But this does not insult your intelligence. And and i don't mean that lake but even in his like lincoln and his more serious movies in the movies are very heavy handed. They really spoonfeed you what you need to know about the characters with the opening and with and with how things unfold whereas this very confusing movie this would be. This does not insult your intelligence. You do not understand anything. Air traffic controllers are saying. They're all talking at once. It's totally confusing the opening scene. Nobody's even speaking in english. And if you're a kid certainly. This is not a kids movie. You're not gonna follow this movie. You're going to be quite squirming in your seat until the elliott's come out movie and i sometimes wish he would get back to that. Level of begin became more his style. Of course his it's just a way of storytelling. That was his. But i like that. This is an early murphy where he had quite locked into that spoon. Feeding kind of storytelling. There's no animation in this study steps you through everything like donald deny we mentioned how many versions are this. I think even once he was quote unquote done with this movie. He's never been done with it. And i think if he had his way he would still be tweaking. This movie today. I mean he's tweaked it three times. The original cut when they call it the special edition and then the director's cut. And who knows if he had his druthers he might go back for another cut of this he. At least he's not doing like george lucas adding tons of special effects post-facto but he might want to also at least he's made all the different versions readily available a lesson that lucas should have taken from steven spielberg. Yeah and what you do. You do that thing that he did. Which is now the same thing that ridley scott that you release the box with all the different versions of it played whichever one you want kids. But yeah thank you for at least providing me with that option when he decided to re-jigger et in etan re some sequences and to take out the guns he still made made the original version available than now. I think that's the only way that is readily available. God that gun at it. I i love when when the south parka was parroting that and all the fbi guys are carrying walkie-talkies but they cock them coming. This summer it's the classic film that changed american. The extra terrestrial that new be done virgin for two thousand two all the et effects have been digitally upgraded. All the guns have been digitally changed to walkie talkies and the word terrorist has been changed to do that. Yeah hippies and terry did the same thing not terrorist to hippie to make. Et more pc. That's gay and now for your feature presentation. The classic re re re release of star wars the empire strikes back in this person. Wookey has been changed to hair challenge. Data by the entire cast has been digitally replaced by e. all right. we're going to take a break and play an interview with production designer. Joe alves. this is the first part of our discussion in your the second part over on our escape from new york episode. Do you mind if i ask you a question about torn curtain. Oh no that was great. Yeah i was a assistant art director. I was very fortunate because it was the studio system. And there is the favorite head of the art department picks. Who's gonna do what pretty much and I was fortunate that i was working for franklin rigo and just became an art director and we were doing various television shows and hitchcock hind hat croff from germany. He wanted academy award for doing the red shoes or something and he wanted him specifically to do the ballet sequence and show. Frank became really the design and i was just assistant. So that was a big jump from going. From calvin to working with hitchcock and He was quite a character in what way. It's so different today. He would always wear his black suits black-tie we would have to wear sportcoats. It ties with nineteen sixty five so he would show up in the morning. We would go to the coffee machine. It'd be donuts and stuff and he would tell these sort of unfunny jokes and then we were supposed to laugh. You know but i had a you know we call call them. Mr hitchcock executives called him Hit you know. But i have a personal experience with him. Is that both kind of and frank. Were while location. And peggy. who is Secretary called me. Mr hitchcock was to speak to you and i said okay What about frank or no. No no there. He wants to speak to us so i went to his office. And he's sitting there and he used to be an art director and he. He took the art direction very serious more important than than when he was on the set the actors could act but he was so into pre production so anyway he's said okay. Mr newman walks down the stairs. What you to make those stairs and mr lock is going to do a match up there. And then he comes down the bottom of the stairs. He goes over to the registration desk and leads. I said okay. So we'll get the registration desk. This thing i said well what about the reverse shot over to the left. No no. I'm only gonna shoot what i just plan. So we would build half sets for hitchcock. Unlike a lot of directors could build everything for them and then they decide what they're going to shoot so he was very economy wise in in other words. You plan what you're going to lose story and then he'll shoot would he's already told you as opposed to getting on the set and then figuring out what to do. So that was interesting about hitchcock. Anyway it was a good experience. When was the first time you met steven spielberg. He did the pilot tonight. Owlry joan crawford. I didn't work on that. howard johnson. Get 'cause he was assigned to and then there was quite quite remember. There was a series called the psychiatrist. There was six of them he did too and then also he did one episode of nine county so it was about that time i met him. I remember when he was doing psychiatrists and other television show. He really wasn't familiar with how to work with people. In other words he had made these small films by himself and so he he didn't realize when i was saying. Well here's a here's a shot you know i remember. There's a we're supposed to be greens. Golf course and i if you shot this way and then if you turn over here across the river. There's the tonight the lake golf course you can see that in the distance that bubba. So he'd look at me. Sorta surprised like what you pay in shots out for me. And i'm just no no. This is how we work. We'll show you what's available and use us. You know so. He had to learn a lot in how to work with people. In other words he also had a problem with he'd have a lot of extras and start giving them lines. And then the production manager say you can't do that just their you know their fee by three types. It took him a while to learn. I mean he always knew how to make movies but he didn't make movies with people and then our relationship got much closer on sugar. Land and on sugarland we would travel. Bill gilmour and i bill was the production manager and we would go on location and i remember telling stephen. I said we were going to car. Scotty i said could we stop here. And i i walked down and if you bring goldie down here and you keep those cars up there. You could see the decline of cars. You get hurt. You get a master shot and bill would say. Yeah and you know. We're only twenty five minutes from the base so that's not going to be a long you know we're not gonna wish a lot of time and blah blah blah. We got back and he said you know. Gosh i feel like. I'm stealing from you guys and i said what do you mean. She's well you're giving me these suggestions his well. That's what they are. They're just suggestions. You know you take-it-or-leave-it so i think that started him working with people and then of course there posted counters World and josh. Well we're very close. 'cause i still reported the whole last secrets you know on the boat and it pretty well. We sat down and pretty well followed the shots. 'cause you couldn't very too much because we had to move a boat and all that stuff. It sounds like jaws was a little bit of a war and that you guys came out of it much closer like you would if you were in battle together. Yeah because here. Here's the problem. We're very close and We sit down and go shot by shot. And i was supportive of him. Were in the studio wasn't so much. Of course he had hired the president's wife which didn't hurt but but they tried to stop that movie. I take like four times but stephen is very steadfast but when we finish draws So that would be. Let's say september. October of seventy four. And then probably january show of Seventy five we went skiing and we're up mammoths and we stayed at a friend's blind dick's about his condo up there and we've got snow but he said he was going to do this movie. Bingo long traveling all stars. It was black baseball thirty. Got old life magazines and things like that of that period. And i start showing what i had and what we have to do and he started talking about this script. He was working on called. Watch the sky and high next book you forward scientific inquiry which was about either photos and people that had seen. Ufo's and all these very experiences that people had about ufo's so start talking about that. And i said that sounds more interesting than this black baseba- picture you know. I mean nothing gets black baseball. But just you fucking sounds pretty intriguing. And he said well. Yeah but i don't have a deal and in those times it's pretty hard because if major studio didn't wanna do it you had to have a deal. You had to get somebody who is pretty. Julia and michael phillips had just want academy award for this team and so he had developed some kind of relationship with them. So i didn't hear from him for well i get a call from john batum director. I worked with some time many times. And he said oh. I'm doing this picture called bing along its travel stores. And i thought well i guess stevens not do it. Sounds like a little club there. we know but i ended up doing the Embryo rock hudson. Because they'll go more. Set me up with this director that he worked with a lot and so i get embryo which was a small independent. We shot it in the Independence 'cause studio And that was fun. Rock customers extremely nice guy. I gotta tell. He invited all up his house for a party. And stuff like that you know. Was it a lot of big stars that way but he is very you know not at all what he presented you know like always big star anyway Then stephen called me and says i've gotta deal For watch this guy we're gonna shoot it at columbia so if you could go and talk to john. Vh who is the head of production there and see what we're gonna do so ba- basically i with john beach and he said okay His very low budget sci fi movie Maybe two three million dollars. We're gonna shoot everything on the back lot and The sound stages here. But i need one location. A strange looking mountain there is nobody really assigned to it. There was a guy doing a budget breakdown. You know and He says so if you could go find him out and so. I remember getting a map of the scenic if usa and verna feels who won the academy award for editing jaws was now vice president and she had an office and she had two officers one was empty. And we'd go hang out there. Carl the other people who are friends with her. So i wish i had to map. I'm looking at chip rock chimney. Rock the back of the Presidency or you know national and so and then call. He said well. You know. I just devils tower Supposed to be pretty interesting. Should check that out. Basically flew up to south dakota collected that and then i drove three thousand miles Looking for restraints different monument ship rock was quite interesting. Sort of shape ships. Say oh chimney rock all these various structures and then i got to let y all need and i started driving towards devil's tower. And i see this little things sticking up and then it would disappear drive in and got bigger you know and then i got to it. And it was my god. This is unbelievable. Strange looking shape. It looked like it was something from outer space. Just landed there. You know what we did is. We took thirty five millimeter camera and we would do pants shots. Most art director. Did we do pan shots of all these various locations. We come back the office and then we would mount them on the sport so what. I showed this to stephen newest no question. This was it so then we went up there and scoured with vilmos. Melissa cameraman he was a camera on sugar ahead express. We had an interesting relationship. It took a while to develop it. 'cause i was television. Kind he was a feature guy but we. We have a really good relationship after a few things that i did for him Set wise and anyway we. We scouted that area and it was it. Just it really worked for us. So i came back and In descript there was a strange mountain and then there was a military settlement could next to the mountain and that's where the spaceship was supposed to land and it was just a military thing with tencent things like that. He wouldn't be more interesting if we could build some arena and he liked that idea and i said yeah i mean we have to be pretty big because we would need to have all this scientific equipment. That's going to you know in the mothership comes down to to record stuff. And all that yeah. That's good so anyway. I made a model. We get a lotta models in those days It was the best way to really show what we're gonna do to make a three quarter inch model. And i made one and john h took me to stage fifteen and sixteen and he says this is where they shot camelot and two stages open up to you. Have this giant stage stage have a lot and He says shot camelot. Here that's the stage. You could have so. I made the model to fit. That stage. Columbia was having some financial problems The guy who runs. Yoda was in some kind of embezzlement thing involved with that. I don't know but they were looking for a big movie to make some money and we got this young guy that just did jaws took this picture and it was like it was growing to be the biggest gross ever was went past pictures of the time godfather and whatever so they they came had the my office and had the executives in the phillips's and stephen and they looked at it and they said oh. Yeah this is good and Do you think that's big enough. I said no. I think it really should be bigger. And they said well how much bigger i said. Well i if. I could just do it. I would say four times is. I'd make it twice as wide and twice as long and they said oh. That's that's pretty impressive. Know i said. Well i'll make a model so i made another model four times at the i never used cars. I use a little golf cart so everything so the thing had to be. This was like a pretty i. If we found out that we're going to have an alien come down and greet us. We would prepare it No money would be important to no all expenses. Just do it. I made this huge model and everybody loved it. All this is great. This is going to be important. And suddenly as jaws became number one. Big box office. Our budget start to grow and now it wasn't going to be just two to three million vigor and then go doug trumbull who game on as effects guy and stuff and he had done space odyssey and starting to get a little bit more interest in doing this pitcher and After i built this thing and they said well where are you going to build it and it was like. I didn't have a clue i just and trumbull said i had to build it inside. Because he needed to totally control the light so had to be a totally. Enclosed clark payload was production manager of very very nice guy. Very you know. let's go do. And so we started putting feelers out to Gifford state Board had film amp department agents and stuff. There would help us locate different things and so we went to oregon and look at huge hangars from world war two and that that would work but they had a sawmill on the far end and that wouldn't work at all and we went to carolina and went to wyoming and and so these states we. Oh yeah we have something we have something trying to encourage us to shoot there and we would go there and they had given us the wrong size you know. i ended up finding out in mobile alabama. There were two hangars side-by-side world war. Two and i majored. And they were the right with but they were like square three hundred feet by three hundred feet. And i needed to re hundred feet by four hundred fifty feet but the doors opened away so i thought well i could extend that and add another hundred and fifty feet. And i don't these god. Scaffolding had every huge huge. I had a place in in texas and made a black cloth covered. Everything was so big so big. So i ended with three hundred feet football field quite a football field and a half long and that became the dick set. It took five months to build. I had a great Construction coordinator bill parks. I hadn't used before but bill is An old timer. He was a cb in world war two and used to smoke smoke a pipe and he would call me mr elves. Mr you know. Every joe mr out and he organizes when i got great sampson from paramedic. Who did a lot of fiberglass and anywhere we fourteen thousand square feet of rock plastic rock and went on like that building this huge set and then to the studio. I mean a hangar. Next to it. I built a road where they drive off the road. Then we had one hundred twenty five foot front projection screen. So what What is going to do. Photograph all that stuff and sixty five millimeter. So everything that you saw where there would be a perception that way. You wouldn't lose the definition by the when you reduced thirty five. It went on. It was just bigger and bigger george. Lucas came over and he sat there and set with stephen and he says this is amazing. Who we never built anything. Disres- star wars star wars with the same at the same center. We just repainted which was interesting. Because i i was up for the kennedy award against them. And i lost two star wars but i think people were looking at it and they were seeing the effects as being the design. You know which weren't quite the same thing. But i did win the british academy award against the same people who british show. That was sort of interesting. You know probably. The bad thing is dub took a lot of time. Stephen i guess they kept changing things who wanted to do so. We were supposed to be released in june the same year that star wars would be I think seventy six or something like that Seventy seven. i can't remember maybe seventy eight could have been seventy eight anyway but we didn't. We weren't released in june Star wars was and they got all the accolades you know. This is huge and we weren't released until november that year. We lost a lot of momentum with late release. I take pictures of any note. Used to be released in november october for the academy awards. They were never released. In december until jaws and jaws was the first big summer release and so that followed with Star wars and then to release the there were big moneymakers But close it counters. Really i think took a beating in that respect Though most did win the academy award for photography which is good. Stephen got ignored on Jaws didn't get nominated and that was terrible but he did get nominated for closer counters by didn't win I didn't do the illustrations. I did a lot of because it was so big. I had george jensen credible illustrator and he did I had a book out called to make a number of close encounters and it has his illustrations in it. I only have a couple of those books. Have because sony claimed that they owned everything. In other words. I a thing for wyoming park few years ago depart division. They flew me up there to do a lecture at to to sell their parks yellowstone. And this so. They wanted to emphasize tower. So i went up there and get. They did film and they they shot snapshots that i had was spielberg so almost on the rock and they were just personal. Sony told the only couldn't use those were all along to sony. No listen to mind well anyway when we did this book Get his prince. Who did jaws book with me. We had to do it without sony's permission. So we did a limited edition. And it's a small book but anyway getting back to the illustration georgia's illustrations were so incredible depicting the mother ship coming down. And all they're all in color and vilmos and you look what he shot and what the illustration was would look the same so we were very good about doing a lot of pre production. So i had some some good people on it. But then we're cass. Who was on josh. He actually was responsible for doing the shark skin and the mold and all that and then i used him on embryo and show then i made him the head of the department counters which was interesting because it was all studio system and he was a younger guy and He wasn't In he was in the union but he didn't have that position of being had anyway. I made him. They had and he ended up getting nominated for academy award for his picture as ahead Anyway it was an interesting. I worked on it for a year before we started shooting so you could see what had you worked on anything that long before. Probably the next long thing would be just too and that was because i started with one director and then they fired him and then They were gonna shut this thing down. And i went to ten had a production. I said there's a director he are. You wanna director you and verna and which is a good idea. Do we could co director joss too because we had so much experience on the first jobs and the directors wouldn't let you do that they wouldn't that you have a position and be off of it and then becoming director. In other words people would fire director of time and use the cameraman. As you know. So i said well not a director. I worked with the night. Galley the most nine cowboys. And i thought he was pretty damn good. So that was you know. Sure i brought him in the way we do stuff to that took a long time. That's pretty much closer. Counters was an incredible bill. You know we. We did all aliens. I made a couple alien had sculptures and they sort of did something similar Over little creatures though the problem was To get the kind of effect that we wanted our made the mothership the mothership had to be like a defeat and had to be two levels to cringe and the bottom level would be mirrored. My lower was about three or four thousand photo floods on it and then The most could put a little fog down and she'll we'd get that effect but it was a little kids in the still. It was very hot. So i had to put air conditioning there. It became believe be a credible and credible chore. It was a difficult. So i just want to mention one more thing about closer counters. And it's it's an the book. When melinda dillon and rich dry fish climb up the hill and then they look over at the bigger arena. Today they would do all that and green screen. I built a mountain. That was seven stories high on rollers. So we could roll it in front of the projection screen so you could just shoot a masters of and it was all in you know first generation. But that's just the way it was. I mean i built this huge huge mountain and we just had a crew that we're just building stuff like crazy but yeah twenty million dollars was a lot more than the three but nothing by today's standards. of course. yeah. I was reading bob balabagn's book and he said that this warehouse where you guys were at was so big that it almost had its own weather system inside was it was huge because of the atmosphere and stuff and we had terrible thing because the back half that i had this gigantic crack backing they had like a little a tornado came. And i'm sitting. There was stephen and we we look at all the way the sand in his all black and it suddenly we see a little bit of light coming through. And what's sad. I said oh my god. The backing is just exploding and then it exploded and it was like this giant flag flopping about a hundred and fifty feet by three hundred feet it was just gigantic so we had to shoot and kill. That was repaired night for night. You know so. Would everything blacked. I'm just another problem. i love the beginning of this movie and the i don't know if the beginning has ever changed but the beginning i've only ever seen is the beginning in the sonoran desert with the return of those planes where you introduced to the balabagn character. We get introduced to the francois truffaut character. And i love this mystery that they set up. Release the even the very first line in english like are we the first. It's like what i what. what are you talking about. And i love how they go round and when the music comes up by me the score for this fantastic. The music comes up in the road running around. Check the numbers on the engine blacks. My god what a scene indeed and then when it transitions as we mentioned before but the air traffic control sequence the intensity of that particular scene the tension between the characters. And it's all just dialogue. It's all just radio when little blips on a Display but it is just so intense in tight and is so incredibly seventies with the overlapping dialogue. And just the holding on the shots as it does. It's the style of filmmaking certainly very much out of fashion today but to me is just so tremendously compelling that one little moment of that movie which amounts to very little because we never revisit these characters ever again but it helps establish such a tone. And that's what. I love about this film that there are these sequences that build such incredible tone intention. I mean in especially when we start getting into more horror inspired elements that pop up in this movie and it spielberg's deft handling between the sequences that gives all of them their individual do and what's more makes them feel like part of a whole the fact that he can have these moments of horror and also these moments of just pure wonder and they don't feel like they come out of different movies at all comes together in one beautiful film. Yeah the the air traffic controllers actually were real air. Traffic controllers barred again from kubrick is in two thousand twenty. It had a real nasa one of the people who would talk to people on the crafts he had actual guy doing that from nasa into spielberg same thing but again it adds to the authenticity of this film that he puts so much research into this. You know he puts them at seriousness into this. He really did. At that. point believed that this was a real thing. Just like kubrick did so. There's so much there's so much reflection between the two movies you can feel the directors seriousness s behind it which you don't feel again so much in some other films that i love that that there's just this intellectual this and again like you said the way they overlapping talk to each other almost like a like you just like the video of traffic controllers talking. Yeah this was before. Reagan fired them all humor forty years ago. The joke with a kill the navy one susan. You mentioned nights guys which i want to say kind of the between this movie and e t but it's also the bridge between this movie and poltergeist that was the John sales thus scriptwriter words. Like basically it's like the scene of little berry in this movie but brought to an extreme. They've taken out to like the whole movie is going to be about. The family terrorized at home which is kind of what poltergeist ends up being and instead of it being aliens. It's ghosn that one but you still kind of even in this like the whole idea of berries toys coming alive and moving around all on their own. I mean it's pretty spooky shit at least it's not like a clown that's going to attack him. He's got that monkey like that crazy. Scary monkey bleeding. And that's another thing that's interesting about this movies. There's so many references to classic alien steps so nice guys was really based on a real incident which happened. Kentucky called the kelly hopkins kelly hopkinsville encounter and he references that in close encounters to where this family in kentucky. Swear to god up and down. It was very convincing to the entire community that they had you know. Gremlin like alliens all around their house knocking on the ceiling and crawling around their chimney. And so you see that in the scene where he's abducted where the chimney reference is directly to the kelly hopkinsville counter and so that's what they took that incident that thank you for incident and turned it into that was the basis of this movie. And yeah you could even reference gremlins like you said. It's not just poltergeist. It's every there's so much that came out of that and of course the ut looks came out of the designs that went into that but again it was not a great script. It's against somebody can make that movie for sure. I make twilight zone. Did a really good example of that. Actually of that that incident that was very well done with agnes moorehead the scariest part of that for me. The abductions is when the screws star coming out of the vent. How're they doing this. But here's the screws coming out. It's just so small and so nice and so dangerous all at the same time and then yeah won. That light comes down the chimney. It's just like here. Santa claus from hell kids. You know be prepared him utilizing the cinematic lesson. He learned from jaws now he learned. It's by because the shark didn't work in jaws but the idea of the tier you can evoke by the unknown. The fact that throughout that entire sequence we do not see the aliens we see the effect of them and made even worse the uncanny equality they have. What with the screws coming up or the appliances going nuts in blowing up those of the things and then lights outside that taken as a whole creates a tremendously effective in terrifying sequence. That's still more than to hold up today. I mean i. I love the contrast of the two. With how absolutely out of her mind terrified. Melinda dillon is and that scene and yet you know there's young berry which i still think is an improbable name for for a child. No adult berries have to come from somewhere. But i've never met a child named. I've always met forty year olds name buried today. It's true it's all real. It's all real. It's an old man's name though. No vince of the berries out there but just the fact that he is just so having so much fun with all of this that he is having a blast and that makes it even more terrifying because we want to be protective of this child. That clearly doesn't know any better but at the end of the film actually know the kid had a completely right that these guys award not out to hurt him or were they. I think it's interesting that they brainwash. I took my interpretation of this film and spill seems to imply otherwise but it seems to me. I don't know if you'd salt subconsciously. When he met. Roy is brainwashed. I mean they take over his brain. He leaves his family. He does love his kids. You do see a lot of affection that family. I don't think he would have done it except for this. This obsession that they put his head. It was like a busy logical kind of thing that they did to his brain. And i feel like that's what's happening with this kid is. He's so unafraid. Despite all of this terrifying stuff and his instinct should be to cling to his mom but no he lets them literally he just cross out that doug door like he wants to go with them. And i think that's to me. It seems that has to be them brainwashing him so to me. It's very it's very sinister again. I know spielberg intended for these aliens to beat benevolent. But how you come away from that even spielberg himself assume that he was making this movie after he had kids. There was no way that roy would have just abandon his family to go. Hang out with the aliens. But you know i do take it at face value. The idea that this is simply overwhelming. Wonder that for those. That are are sensitive to what these aliens are offering and clearly. It's not everybody but for those of us who are they feel. This inexorable draw towards the uncanny towards this impulse and you know there's a lot that has been made about the this serving a metaphor for artistic creation the idea that if you're so obsessed with a singular vision much like filmmakers can be you do that at the expense of family. You do that at the expense of what society wants you to do because you are compelled just to pursue this now whether you view that as sinister or not has really gonna come down to who you are for me. I can understand where that impulses i don't. I wouldn't share that impulse. I wouldn't i wouldn't feel inclined to disrupt everything and go hang out with aliens but i could understand it existing within people the aliens trigger artistry that whole thing of like wall when you're a kid. Your imagination is fantastic. And you don't care about coloring the sky purple and the trees are yellow in and the ground is red or anything. It's just you know you you do it. You create and you're driven to create and the aliens are unlocking for all of these people that are going there. It's like we've got roy with his sculpture. Melinda's what painting. There's one guy who's like drawing so it's like all of these people are like obsessed with the this image and they're expressing themselves through this artistry of like us talking about how like this is kind of the metaphor for the artistic process. I i completely can see that one of the other things about two thousand one is when the apes initially encountered the monolith. It's like it puts as far as a my interpretation it puts ideas into their heads. So i can really see this. Also with the idea of the aliens putting ideas into royce head into melinda. Dylan's had just like them. Being all of these people have been exposed having this inside of their head and to your point susan. Yeah it's driving him crazy. And there's one china. I don't know which version it's but there's one shot where ronnie Of the wife breaks into the bathroom where he's at were roy's at and he's in the shower and he's got all his clothes on and the water's coming down and he's crying and it's just like he is so helpless because he's so overtaken by this i mean he's having a mental breakdown and i think that's one of the most powerful shots in the movie and i wish that it was every single version. He's tortured family is broken up. You know. I really do think there's enough evidence that he does love his kids that his kids do love him. That kid crying at the table when he's doing the mashed potatoes thing. It's just it ripped your heart. That kids should got an oscar. That a beautiful cry right there. I mean it just rips your heart out. I it's it's just interesting to wonder why spielberg put so much of a horror element into this. It isn't really. There's you know the abduction is absolutely not just a little it's full. It's even scarier than a lot of scenes in poltergeist terrifying scene at the end when the aliens are are having a conversation with scientists the same theme from jaws trickles in when the abductees come off the ship. They look happy. They don't look like they've been through something good so i think it's really interesting. You know like. I know that that. He says they're benevolent. This is a sunshiny happy movie. But i think it's really interesting that he says that but the way he executed it does not belies with that message. I think it's interesting anyway. You definitely do see that pop up so often in his career even when he's not setting out to make a horror film he has those horror instincts. That as you mentioned that it would have been nice to him to see him. Make a full on horror film granted. There's some people that claim. He did that. He was actually the person who directed poltergeist. But we plus certainly jaw jaws more than qualifies in my opinion. But i mean even if you look at what the ultimate happy fund alien movie e t. There's hor sequences in that when when elliott's is first investigating. Et and encountering the him in the shed or when he sees them in the tall grass. I mean that seems to scare the hell out of me as a co cavan. Et get sick at the end and he looks like death devastating so he has these horror instincts that he for whatever reason doesn't ever fully commit to but they are definitely in his dna. The family and et is already a shattered family. And we get to see the breaking apart pretty much literally when it comes to the melinda dillon character. Haven't her son snatched away. And i don't know if we ever really get the story of where her husband is. And then we see rois family being broken apart. Mean terry gars trying really hard but my god is he just. He's not you know. And i can understand. I can empathize with her. I don't know if i'm supposed to empathize with her. I think i'm supposed to think that she's some sort of shrew hoppy because she doesn't support roy as he's going through this mental breakdown but once he starts throwing shovels full of dirt into the house. It's like yeah okay. I can kind of see this why she would end up leaving him. I'm really. She's had a wit's ends with us then. Initially you can be slightly more sympathetic towards the roy character because she just refuses to entertain the notion see sewing out like would we says no one. I saw some like no. You didn't come on and it's all all of this but eventually yeah you. We do have a greater sympathy towards her. And i think some of that is heightened in the later cuts of the film. Because i don't think the full. The full breakdown of roy is played out as strong in the theatrical cut that a lot of those came in with the subsequent cuts and we did get to see the greater stress. And of course a lot of stuff has been mentioned about the existence of broken families within steven spielberg's films and how that is a relation to his own upbringing. Were his parents divorced. And i can't help but see that childhood pain reflected in that sequence. Re talking about where roy was having the breakdown in the shower and then it explodes throughout the rest of the family in one of the one of the kids is crying the other one smashing things and then there's just the shots of the middle child standing at the door a tier running down his face and then slowly closing the door essentially closing the door on his childhood of his parents. Being together it's a heartbreaking shot. And i can't help but think that spielberg was himself probably crying when he was shooting that yeah one of the deleted scenes. I know i don't think ended up in any of them. It was him on that roof roof deck where he's looking up at the stars and his middle. the young. yeah the middle son comes up and says time for dinner and through that entire scene he does not make eye contact with his child. He does not say a word to his child. And the kids like dad to hear me and i like that. There's not even one little bit of acknowledgment and it. Just that's sort of to me like it shows more wide than when he goes downstairs with the mashed potatoes. That kid at the table starts crying because you see that he is really after being the fun. Shaving cream monster. You know that earlier seeing. That was so sweet. You know you just know and doing the train with his kid. And teaching fractions. It shows more the flip that's happened. I think that is a very important thing. That i wish. All the films. Read the jillian. Melinda dillon character was originally written as male and. I just can't picture that unless there is like also the wife there as well. It just seems so weird. I guess the whole single dad with the kid kind of thing in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy seven yeah. I couldn't imagine those scenes playing quite as well and in particular the the later suggestion of a romance between her and roy. I mean obviously that that could have been reconfigured. Once they decided to shift her over into woman they play that up. But i don't know. I could not see that scene playing out the same kind of way with a male character in there. I mean it is interesting to see how yeah like. You said there is the suggestion of a romance. These two people are both believers this man. This woman traveling together and it's almost like he's reforming a family. When it comes to now he's got her and then eventually bury but then he ends up leaving them as well. So it's like. I was thinking that he was going to go from one relationship to another but he ends up just making a clean break can going off that. It would have been tremendously progressive. They had kept it as a male. I mean there are very few examples of that kind of Caring parental figure coming from the father side. You know the the desperation to get the child back and everything. It would have been an interesting thing. But i think it would have been a little bit ahead of its time for. Nineteen seventy seven every. Ls it comes. did you remember. There was a time in the seventies as and rossi comes. Were dads for. Yeah for comedy. That was okay that whatever. That's that's another. That's another podcast. Yeah my three sons pathetic father. I mean those are just two family affair. The got the customize m yeah. Yeah full house in almost always. The father is an idiot in the father's to screw something up. I mean i think like the dad for my three sons is probably the exception to that but most of the time. The dad is just incompetent. He's kind of mr mom type character at least those first few days of mr mom speaking of teri garr where michael keaton is just like letting the kid have chili and just completely screwing up and fighting the vacuum cleaner and all of these kinds of things actually excise the kiss though between there is a kiss in one of the one. Or two of the versions. It's so confusing. I have a chart in front of me. And i still can't hear all these versions straight but i think at one point Melinda dillon roy and jillian kiss and i think in other versions. They excited that. I prefer it without. I mean. I think it's better to the idea that he's just obsessed with. It's just purely about getting on that spaceship about seeing the spaceship. And then and then getting on it. And i i kind of prefer it without the romance. To tell you the truth agree. I mean any sort of suggestion of romance would by necessity have to be limited to the fact that they're both experiencing this and they're just been -joyed that somebody else's experience of this so it's it's in elation that may see a physical manifestation but it's not an unnecessary attraction to them. It's all based on the the fauria of their experience. I also appreciate when it comes to them going up devils tower. How the one guy like there's the third guy who shows up with them who's like the character actor that i've seen a bunch but how he's like. How do you know this is like. Oh try sculpture. Next time and that roy is just knows every nook and cranny of devils tower because of his obsession because of building it in his living room. And i was. You know you guys know me. I'd love freudian stuff. And so i'm reading about the the movie and it's just like oh yeah roy's going through his anal phase as well as phallic phase by basically building this mountain of shit in his in his living room. This as as they would say you know this gigantic follows in. He's living room. It's funny that he keeps. The ultimate answer is ripped the tip off the top of the penis that their yard at stats circumcise follows. Them is territory there half castration. Or something like that and in the mothership is like a giant breast. You know i mean people have suggested that to you. It's him going back into childhood the symbolic reentering of the womb. You know they say that man is in his cradle here on earth and that eventually will reach out to the stars. I'm not saying it's space aliens right but it goes without saying. It's but yeah. I definitely enjoy some of the readings of this and yeah i think there was a whole thing about roy and being obsessed with ronnie's breasts as well on. It's just like okay. I didn't really see that in the movie. But maybe it was in the novelization. It's not like he looked. He looked at her breasts and thought this means something. This is important. Maybe that was cut. I didn't see happily excised a few little explicit. Thanks like there's also the The character of jillian jillian apparently in one version. You know really rick. Her shirt open to show him her. Sunbird like really really ripped or shirt open at. I'm glad i'm glad they didn't do that. I mean it's not a case not a kids movie but it's still cheap and did a little bit. This is not that kind of movie. You know all right. We're gonna take a break in play an interview with matthew robbins. You can also hear over on. Rt checks eleven. Thirty eight episode. I know that you had worked with mr spielberg sugarland line express. I think he was at one point supposed to direct bingo long and traveling. All stars and motor kings is right. Yes that's true. He was over committing. He was Becoming very hot property guess jaws had done that and You know we lived in la and we saw a lot of each other and become friends and we how with. I had written that for motown very gorgeous company he was from a novel and steven just love the screenplay was very flattering. Here he who loved it love it love it. He thought he had time to do it. And as i recall he didn't it was simply is simply you know he was just like a kid in a candy store and he just wanted to do everything that he found attractive and so up being directed by john batum and he he'd already. I think i recall more or less committed to close encounters in some fashion and so he was sort of back on track so to speak he who has agents then was guy mcelwain who is running this. You know meteoric career you know it was it was it was really breaking loose. You can imagine after jaws. That was a little sort of footnote. The history of bingo law. Stephen briefly was on board where was close encounters when he came on board because i've read paul schrader version which was just diametrically opposed to what we ended up seeing unscreened. I can tell you that when at that same moment. That stevens meteoric streak across the hollywood skies that mcelwain wanted to make a deal for him one of the studios. I better not gas. I'll get it wrong. He mcelwain was invasion of icm. And how borrowed. And i had asian. I see him jeff and so those guys talked and they put their heads together. Mcelwain knew that we were friends with stephen and and there was sugarland. Was you know stephen of making it. Even though the box office was negligible and it was a very healthy friendship and collaboration and he mcelwain came up with this idea that he could make a multi pack for stephen. How am i. we're brought in to supply. We were going to write the script for stephen who's gonna directors movies and we have three story ideas that we talked about with stephen with mcelwain and one of them was hired idea which we never wrote in suckling any actually but one was about a bunch of pirates who founded their own nation in the caribbean. 'cause 'cause actually happened pirate pirates with the same enlightenment ideal since the revolution and they were free men of the sea and even though they were wildest one pirate captain was going to be the hero of this great idea. You take over an island and create the pirates kingdom. I think based on some historical incident that we stumbled across anyway. That was one idea. The other idea was about a policeman who gets a call to investigate so uso tour had come down at a farm and he was on duty that night and e you know the other cops are laughing at him because he's got to go out to this far and talk to some farmer who's convinced that a flying saucer came down and the cop guests to this farm and the barn is burned to the ground. There's big scarring on the ground. And farmers had endeavors break is insisted that one of these cows has been hauled up into a flying saucer by its tail stories. Have this cop you know has come back close to seeing actual ufo and he can't you know it and he can tell his wife as friends are gonna he keeps it to himself but he starts investigating and he meets all these flying saucer not to go over the neighborhood that night blah a blue collar guy who has a ufo experience. You get the idea right. That was the number two I forget i. What i did was none of this ever happened. None of the scripts were written. Never made and this is a long before what you're asking about with bingo long or anything. It was got much a young guys hanging out cooking up stories and deals it was just. It was very casual and chaotic serious however year later or whatever it was stephen starts lining up everything. All these ducks do close encounters. Which for this very strong first cousin resemblance to the old bar would robbins idea for which we were absolutely fine and made no difference to base. I this is a whole different mentality was great. You know it sounds great. You know we're just all young turks and ideas were cheap it was. It's very hard to explain but there was not one drop The xenon or even come up. 'cause we all busy everybody was working on stuff and and stuff so i. I think that that's sort of how the idea was born in stephen and he never liked screenwriting and he never did. And and how. And i were invited to lunch by michael phillips and and julia who i knew from high school she was at my high school in new york literally sat in front of me in english class. Julia miller. Yeah we run across them and you know the new hollywood was a warning and joy and i had leftover the factor. You're both back east and scream but they want to send out if we wouldn't write this movie and we said we love to but we can't because we had just we had written an original topi and futuristic adventure films action picture. This is long before mad. Max it was in the same java is years before mad. Max was a bunch of harry bandits in the north west of the united states and british columbia who find and restore get a little steam locomotive going and the explore north west looking looking for some remnants of civilization on the steam locomotive called clearwater. And we made a deal at at universal or it to be my first film as director and we limit on spec and so we had sold and set it up and so we were hugely excited and distracted. Gosh it's we love to do something with you guys and you know the space science fiction flying saucers right up our alley but well of course clearwater. They send us location scout and we made a budget. We had a producer and stephen. You had to go elsewhere. He had all these other like schrader. Crisci john hill. I don't remember the details. You'll find out about these other scripts it was supposed to get him going at columbia and our movie budgeted out at one million nine hundred thousand which was much too high movie we never made it and so we just sort of you know. End this is. This is a part of our education about hollywood near the high kill rate. And what did we know we. You know fresh out of film school for still in some school way. Stephen was getting into his production with close encounters. We were invited to fix the script. 'cause they were problems you know. Just had we read it of course and we told him you know. Hey i mean this is you know. We had all these hiccups. And he agreed agreed. And and so He was hugely busy. There's a big big movie as you know show we came on. I know i how have to tell you that. Then there's hard to fathom in today's climate but came on as friends. We weren't paid or anything we just you know he needed help them. We were like the diet had holes that we stick our fingers and to stop the water from speaker we and we did all kinds of sixes on that script and we eventually had to go down to mobile alabama. One of our ideas was to take the character of Melinda dillon she was one of the people sitting out on what the called crescendo summit. Which is where these things flew overhead and we made her into much more substantial character and to get her to come along on the adventure. We arranged this is not in the script that was already in pre production. But we arranged her. Have a little boy a child. Who would be taken by the aliens kidnapped and stephen love that and so we wrote that into the story and it brings her you know in all the emotional consequences end this movie which gave her a lot to play and really as a fleshed out that role and and that was one of many many changes we worked on things about the creation of the devils tower model and the house and the mashed potatoes and the location of the of the disaster devils tower and and how they find all this kind of stuff. How my writing partner was very much into all the scientific if you can call it that the science at all and we We both this. And and steven went off to wyoming. Aside recall to get into the. I was the first thing he's gonna shoot was the winding up of the slopes of devils tower at which point studio read our draft and freaked out. What the hell is this discourse and then what we read what are you doing. This thing is growing out of hand. You'll go running wild. They were seeing their power slip away. Which is a classic thing you know when you green light a movie. You're basically saying okay. We're letting go of the reins and once once that unit gets rolling you know hundreds of thousands of dollars a day and here was this directive. You know headstrong off his hip and he was even. They haven't even shooting at all scripture this kidnapping and they sent one of their senior executive stanley jaffe to i think he went to wyoming to confront the producers and stephen to shut down the movie and it was a crisis. Thanks hal thanks man. I wonder my happier memories. 'cause we we. We almost killed close encounters. Bright idea and the stevens act out of this is great too because we later learned. We didn't hear about this until years later. He and producers decided to confront the speedo head off because there were dozens and dozens of people building sets and dressing. They were that unit out in the desert with the army trailers. They you know this giant thing in wyoming that they were already into for hundreds of thousands of dollars of the big big team and anticipate of the star shooting and so they arrive at their meeting with family jaffe wherever it was with suitcases packed. Saying you wanna shut us down. Go ahead we're ready to leave to call the bluff. Isn't that a great story. They i mean. I only learned about that years later you know. They had the the the brass to stand up to this guy who was a big executive who was highly regarded was partners with Sherry lansing for years. He was a big big producer. He was i guess. He went independent with her for years family. Chassis i guess stephen just got enthusiastic about what he was gonna do or whatever it was. You know the problem as can happen. Rose up out of nowhere and is now today forgotten. but it was a big hiccup. At the time we went. He shot the movie and he was in mobile again. There were things that they needed. And so they brought hal and need down to alabama and we lived in chill room and we worked with a typewriter started age in a motor home. That was on the set in mobile. They shove all that stuff. You know what. I'm talking about the end of the movie with the. Yeah the mothership. That's all inside a darkened. I think it was helpline hangar or something. Some enormous insufferably hot space and jalan. I worked in there. And that's how come where in the movie. That story is not very exciting. He just leaned into the trailer one day and said hey you guys want to be in the shave your beard softening we get some uniforms and so you know i recently. My family was here. And i found a bunch of oil super eight home movies which had digitized. And there's a whole movie of hal and knee getting our beards shaved off at that time and some guy. I didn't know what it was. When i first saw i just saw hal and she is being shaved off me and here and the guy who's doing it was one of the hair and makeup people on that movie and it's you know we're in barber chairs and the makeup trailer on close encounters with this movie that i shop house beard shaved off and he shot my shake funny at the time and we put on uniform had create name and so he called himself harry ward. His wife's name was barbara ward. And my wife's name was john. Mcmichael became mcmichael. And the other thing about being done on that movie that i remember and treasure as memory is that i was the only person and this group of hundreds of people who spoke fluent french and i formed this wonderful friendship which of course ended when the movie was over with truffaut whenever possible I visited with him. He had his own trailer on that set and he was in there with a typewriter. And i don't remember you'd have to look it up. Figure out which movie he was writing. He was working on his next film but he would emerge and we would be standing around waiting for the shot or what and so we talked and talked and you know it was it was just great and he was a wonderful man he was. He was very excitable about movies. And we talked about. You know seems that we remember the how. I spent a year in paris. Student hadn't been that long before so. That was a big treat for me. You know that. Just remembering now that bob alabama who was in that movie. He wrote a book about being in the movie yet. Fantastic book the houston talking about that hanger that you're talking about and saying that it almost had its own weather system was so huge in there. I believe it was huge and it was very uncomfortable and dark. You know had to be blacked. In every lightly can be plugged and doug trumbull. Was there with a team of special effects. Oh hey. I also directed second unit on that movie. The second unit happened when he was in post and he needed additional shots. And so i had a little unit and i went out. I just did about four or five days shooting with them and it was all there was no sound. don't remember. I had a sound crew. Not just was mostly shots. What was it was a double for rick dreyfuss in his bathrobe pulling up stuff from around the house and throwing stuff into the house when he's building his devils tower model and i shot some stuff at a gas station. Going crazy when it's vibrating when the saucer going over that was bigger deal because it had to be rigged the you know the a bunch of the shake. What else did i shoot. God this is getting a mixed up. Because i also shot some stuff for him on nine hundred forty one another another movie. I just love watching stephen work. He was so quick and direct. He knew exactly what he wanted how to get it. You know which lends weight to be. I got i got to see stephen and action and ever changed on you know once i was on a lot of his sets back in those days and he was really young maestro and all ever-enthusiastic and you just love what he was doing and he communicated you instinctively communicated that boyish energy everyone around him and So that was. That was a wonderful thing to. What was that shooting like in that warehouse for you. Was it a lot of look over here and imagine it's the most amazing thing you've ever seen in your life was that yes. Everybody had to do that every month. I don't remember if it was tennis. Balls or what but yeah. Yeah it was all this long before to. Cg era as you know and These elaborate elaborate techniques had to be created to generate the arrive in clouds. I went and saw some of that shooting when they had the cloud tack how i went. Who's doing that. Was that tremblor. I l m. There was literally a big big big big fish. Tac was big enough homeless. You swim in it. It was like six feet and it was full of water and it had two different liquids in it. How would remember it being hal. It was two different liquids. And you couldn't see that there were two liquids they are both transparent. You know like water and gasoline or something. I don't don't quote me on that. They would thrust these rods filled with pastel colors or fuller's earth. There's something there was some kind of coloring agents it was either a fluid or a powder got him getting it all wrong. Don't quote me on this. You gotta do your own research. But they thrust these roth's into this tank and created these billowing clouds of color which side lead and back little fancy lighting but they would hit this other layer you know halfway down and it was formed the deck of the clouds very clever right. They would you know billow up toward camera. They shot them at various speeds for slow motion or or time lapse. Or i don't remember but it was. I think it was. I o m but yeah we were around for that. What you're asking about is how was this done back in the good old days To this day. I'm well aware there are people who think that you know this. Whole era of fiji has ruined movies And del toro Dig believer if you can possibly do it live. Do it live back in close encounters. The ships were put in. They were live ships shot on stages built by the island bala shop and then shot the stages and and the ocean control was new. Then that's another very Interesting there they're all. These didn't want to be hollywood. You know. the special effects era locked off camera was always a problem and stephen wise as much freedom as possible of course and trouble had perfected ancient control system where the camera would move in a certain way and then that move would be reproduced months or whatever later on the malls and you could put two shots together and they marry up the thing. I like about that. Third act is that it's almost a movie unto itself there's different let's say ax within that. Act the whole idea of the calling of the ship the idea of communications with the ship. A portal opens and people return. I mean it's just all of these different beats that take place within that one act like i said it's almost like a movie unto itself. Yeah you're you're right. You're reminding me of how it feels. I hadn't thought about this in years. But you're right. It is like musical symphonic thing where you come to the last movement. It's like it's almost a new beginning. I wish i could take credit for that but no no. That's that's right that's one of the. That's one of the reasons that movie feels you know magnificent in its way like the david lean the size. What else do you remember contributing to the screenplay what other things were you adding while you're down there. oh anthrax. Something really scary. I think how came. I remember the location there. These this is why you're gonna you've seen obviously the movie more recently i have. I have not seen this movie in decades. But there's a thing about radio signals. Being set of numbers and i balance says wait a second. I was in to geography or whatever and that sounds like latitude. Longitude at which point. There's a big pla- model trying to earth rolls into the room and we wrote all that. Thank you so much there. You have a good rest of the day. You're welcome bye-bye hey this is mark pitman. You might know me from how to cook everything or the new york times or the pitman project. I cover all things from cooking to gardening the fabulous ingredients to junk food health sustainability. You might say. I'm obsessed with everything about food and that's why i've started a podcast called appropriately enough food each week. On food osset down with a different cast ranging from samantha. Irby to tom kalicki owed to ted danson. We'll talk about cooking. 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This kind of the she was terrible. It's part advice. Show cart watchlist plenty of empathy and lots of laughs. Did my wife write this little in under the dam. Katie listen to move therapy with rafer and kristen wherever you get your favorite shows. Movie therapy with rafer christian reading about after the script. Some of the writers really objected to the idea of the implanting of things into royce head. It was just like okay. You can have aliens or you can have esp. But you can't have both is just too much. We cannot have both things in one movie analyst. Like really i mean it seems like in a world you know. We talked last week Al gore about the black hole as you can have space travel and you can have esp. why not. Let's let's do it up. It might fit into something that spielberg has said in various interviews. The fact that he doesn't regard this film as being a science fiction film. He certainly didn't at the time that he made it because he was saying really true to what he considered to be reality and is interesting where this film sits as an extension of a cultural moment from the nineteen seventies were. There was that belief of very very serious. Believe in very serious people believing that oh no. We've we've been visited. This is happening that this is something that is really going on. It's interesting that we actually find these sorts of conversations coming up up again where the pentagon is saying. Oh no we've encountered these weird. They don't call them ufo anymore. Forget what they call him. But these weird Flying flying craft and how it's all presented in the realm of this is reality so perhaps the idea that because this was a quote unquote realistic take on aliens that perhaps esp was. Just you know a bridge too far for some people if kitchen sink movie though because he really just throw in like a lot of different aspects of real ufo sightings which includes cars chasing after them and the foo fighter like that little red dot that follows so he's trailing behind the others tinkerbell which it is of course it spielberg of course it's ticker but it's also booth fighters were these pilots would see these these glowing balls of colored and it's a direct reference again the cattle being unconscious now in the movie. That's not the aliens doing it. But it's still a reference to you know spielberg did that purposefully to just get every single. Ufo kind of trope that people knew about back then to cram that into movie. Which i like. I think that was a good decision. I think that makes it more colorful and interesting but it's a kind of a kitchen sake. The alliens are completely all over the place. Like again you know. What are they doing on her roof and coming down or chimney like how is that possible. What is berry seeing when he's looking across his kitchen like what is he looking at. Is he looking at the little. The little eight year old girl kind of alien or is he. Looking at the puck alien. They all have different names. Nicknames that puck with the third alien the middle ones were like those those little girls and then the first one was the marionette that that bob bakker had made so we have all different kinds of aliens. We have all different kinds of behaviors of the reactions to him ends. And it's all over the place you just cannot. It's it's everything kitchen. Sink medal always struck me and still does to this day when we get the three different versions of the aliens particularly since we get that first gigantic speaking of space jesus marionette alien. That does the wide arms and then it just disappears. We never see it again. And then all of a sudden we get the small aliens that come out and then we get the final alien that was felt like the the closest precursor to et. It is the sort of unsettling otherworldly naturally kind of fuel to the whole thing and nowadays. I understand exactly why is the way it is that i believe. Initially they were only going to have the grays the ones that were played by little girls but then the effects weren't working court white right so they had to jazz it up a little bit with other aliens to kind of get across what they wanted to do. There's a little bit too much alien going on. i love. I love it. It's my favorite part of the movie. I do think it's a bit much. I think i think it's interesting that he when he was sort of hacking away at this movie and and getting rid of things. He didn't like that he kept three different. He says that while they're different races of alien which is also a little bit ridiculous because racist. Don't really different species. They look like they're all from different planets that the all involved on different planets. So it's kind of interesting that he refers to them as different races of aliens. But in any case i do think it's a bit much as much as i love them. And i think the first two are horrifying. Very genuinely scary. The third one is to me a little bit corny. I would've i would've left off the third guy. But i never. That's everybody's favorite. It's a little indulgent that he did it that way. I don't know. I did like the whole thing with the cows being knocked out. And apparently the whole idea of the nerve gas and i didn't realize again. Sorry i'm like studying two thousand and one at the same time we're finally finally gonna do that episode and so the whole idea of like. Hey we need to keep these people away from the moon base where we found the monolith Much you're going to get the survey dams in recent harrison. I besides the only alleyway contaminated water fix people trump. What kind of disease. Nobody's gonna believe play in this stand. That many of you were troubled by the concern and anxiety. This story of an epidemic might cost your relatives and friends on earth. Well lately simplifies negative views. I love when they're in the helicopter like when he takes off the mask and all the people are like no. No no. don't do that. You'll die the irony is that Even if they're The somebody had announced nerve gas had a dropped. There would still be people saying no. I don't believe in it. There's one of the things also heard about s. This film was developing that initially. It was a little bit more straightforward. But it was kind of the post watergate environment that brought spielberg to bring in sort of the government. Cover up l. element of it. So it was reflecting a society that was no longer completely trusting their government but the fact that they still think that the people would totally trust their government for the to buy the whole nerve gas story which nowadays we know really would hatch the liberal hoax guys. We did it. We've managed to kill like that point. Five million people just so they would get those vaccines and now we can track them. What was all just a hoax anyway. We we met aliens right. Yeah five million. People have left the planet. I'm not saying it's space aliens right but it goes without saying it's talking spice aliens as we record this. There's in the news. All over the place is i like you said. I think it's now something like that. I don't even know what that's her. It phenomenon and is it is it. we're about to have a comeback. The government is as of this recording to come out with some report which is predicted to say. We don't know the same thing that they always say. I don't know. I think that is a fun distraction. I hope it does take over the imaginations of the whole world. Because that's a nice. That's a fun conspiracy theory that's a. That's a nice safe fun. Get the whole country together on the same page of conspiracy theory. So let's i think that's healthy. Actually and i. I don't know if the aliens come. You know maybe it would be good for us. Maybe a world of good. I really appreciate what you're saying as far as that being so timely. Because back on when i was doing the culture tapes i mean that was the one thing that kept trying to stress was like early nineteen seventies. The world was really fucked up and man. Oh man people were grasping for anything. And that's when you had like chariots of the gods and the bermuda triangle and new age out. All the different like self-help stuff like aston. I'm okay you're okay all these different types of things going on all at once so to have espn and ufo's in this movie absolutely find because that was all in zeitgeist. I mean that was the thing that you know. You couldn't go any place without hearing about this kind of stuff. I mean there were suicide cults. That were just all of these fantastic things that were happening. I mean maybe maybe to your point. I mean if we do embrace. Ufo's maybe we'll get some more like suicide. Tulsa be pretty fantastic. I didn't mean that they were already seeing the return of adrenal chrome which is something hundred thomson wrote a belt and fear and loathing. So you know the seventies or back. Speaking of bermuda triangle missing planes that they discovered the beginning of the ship disappeared. Either bermuda triangle. So they throw that in there too. That's in their ten there. It's all in there. Been random comment on time. Life's popular series mysteries of the always. Been a little curious about unexplained phenomena because of personal experience just like for example. You since when something's about to happen just everyone's a little psychic but what about you. Fox lots of people swear. They've seen them ever experienced deja-vu sort of like i went into this old nineteenth century farmhouse. And i just knew i'd been there before in another life. I'm not ready for that. I'm ready for this. Mystic places is from time. Life thoughts about things like the ask allies. Were they run for alien spaceships and did those aliens interbred with the ancient peruvians to read the book. Read about the medieval warriors. Who appeared before stephen jenkins and nineteen thirty six then again. Thirty eight years later true. Read the book read about allison crowley and is why they spent honeymoon. Nine in case chamber of the great pyramid on happened. Read the book. Read about cyrus teed. People live in the center of the earth that mcgirt looked into nobody. I know read the book. I love roberts blossom and when he shows up in here i love him. I love other people at the top of that ridge that are just like waiting for the aliens. Come back and they've got the signs and they're doing all this stuff and then they have that meeting with the government official and he's like this is a ufo. Everybody's like yeah. Yeah yeah. I saw that. I saw that and then he was like oh. I took this picture this morning. And that's a frisbee. Ha ha ha. But then roberts blossom is like starts talking about stuff and then immediately veers into bigfoot territory. Ufo's we can believe but once he starts talking about bigfoot s. Just that's too much. I mean he. He encountered the aliens. He was there when they flew by he needed to be. You know to elaborate to spin on more different yarns to be be the focus again. Which is why. I've always had issues with a lot of the accounts of ufology. And all those other things mostly because i know that impulses within people people lie people make stuff up because they like to be noticed. They like to be the center of attention. And that's where. I kind of put a lot of these sort of ufo stories. So it's it is interesting to watch this film in. Its an particularly interesting to hear. Spielberg talk about it where he was a true believer you know. I grew up in a very cynical age where there for all of the discussion of. Ufo's there were a pile of experts. Debunking them so it wasn't nearly as fun growing up in the nineties. As it probably would have been in the seventies you know where there was the still the possibility that no no no. This might be real. Oh yeah we had in search of we had. Arthur clark's mysterious world. We had all kinds of stuff we had and then in the movies chariots of the gods. The man who saw tomorrow. I mean there are some great things going on. So if you were a little kooky in the seventies you could just like feed into all of that stuff. I mean every like the birth of weekly world news and the choir and all those kind of rags of fantastic. Yeah most we z x. Files which you know that. Certainly i guess gave a shot in the arm to the whole community. Oh yeah definitely. Did i ever tell you guys about the time. I went to the roswell museum in roswell new mexico. The ufo museum. I don't remember that one. We were in roswell and they have a ufo museum like right there on the main crag just a couple miles down from the walmart and we go in there. And it's just the fucking cheesiest thing in the world. There's all these like you know. Here's what happened when they said this weather balloon crashed but of course it was weather balloon. They have like the pictures of the weather balloon in all the news accounts stuff. That's cool but then they start getting in there and it's just like here's this person's interpretation of what alien looks like and here's this person's interpretation is like okay like he saw this and she saw that and here's the picture that they drew afterwards and it's like okay. None of the stuff is factual this. Just all like kinda crazy stuff right and so we're about to get through the whole thing and then it's like all right. You know exit the gift shop. I wanna go through the gift shop. Get some cool stuff. Oh hey there's a library over here. Let me go. Check out their library at the ufo museum. And i'm just like oh cool you. I'd love nikola tesla. So i'm looking around like tesla videos and stuff and there's this table there with all of these young people in this older lady and they're all just completely quiet and i'm like this is kind of weird alright and then i didn't know where the woman just goes. It was not an airplane. And they're just like yes. Yes we know. I used to be science writer. I haven't done that particular Genre in a while. But i worked at exit stuff and so i was being physicists. In all its scientists do believe a lot of scientists. A lot of scientists believe is impossible. That there aren't other intelligent. Lifeforms out there i mean just. It's you know the idea that we're the only intelligent life is entire huge. Gigantic universe is quite. What's the word narcissistic in a way. So i it's not. It's not completely nuts. That's why people are talking very seriously about it. Because why haven't we seen any signs if there is intelligence life out there. Are there reasons why we haven't or is it that we're also far away or is it that we're also. It's so impossible for us to reach each other. But it's not you know. I just want to stick up for just for the craziest for one. Second that it's not it's not completely nuts because there's plenty assigned. Just let me tell you very serious people who are like of course. There's life out there. We just haven't heard from them. And there was a great op. Ed in the washington post just a couple of weeks. Ago of physicists are very serious physicist Who looks into the stuff. I don't think we should be sending signals out there because they could be hostile. And i was like on board. I just watch worlds spielberg version. I don't know. I think we should keep our head down in our turn. Turn the volume down on the tv and took the lights out if they drive by until make them think we're not home. But that's my. That's just like wacko in little injection there that it's not completely crazy but i agree that probably almost all cases are from nuts. I agree with that at reportings on very much in the fox. Mulder of i want to believe and considering the enormity of the universe the fact that we would be the only sentient lifeforms out there just seems improbable to the point of clarity. Enormity that keeps. I keep coming back to its how difficult would-be to travel from place to place and i would love to find evidence of that but that still coupled with the fact of just human nature. I know people like to make stuff up. It's trying to balance those two things that i try. Not to be a killjoy. About this it's the same thing with ghost stories that you trust me. I would love to go. Stories would would be real. But i know people make things up and i know people get things wrong. That's far more improbable. Far more improbable. It is but it has it. Has it a just as devoted cadre believers as you of all legit you apology. That's why we think of ufo people as nets because we think of it that way. But it's really not it's not the same category it's it's you know it scientifically plausible that there's intelligent life will and that's that's that's another thing i find interesting and it's it's something that has come up in recent conversations i've been having it's sort of an atheist tr- translation of of stories that used to be the realm of folklore and religion. And how many how. Many of these stories of alien encounters are similar to what people used to describe of meeting ghosts or meeting fairies and we can see that even in this film and obviously that got played out later in the spielberg production of poltergeist. The behavior of the aliens when they were a menacing jillian and bury the did feel like poltergeist. Did feel like ghosts. So you do see this guy the sort of pulse this sort of energy get redirected and kind of wrapped up in the ufo stuff as that used to be the realm of the paranormal. When i had carl sagan explain i'm cosmos. How many stars are out there. How many planets possible livable planets. This is one of the great questions. How many insulations capable at least agree or astronomy. Are there in the milky way galaxy. Let's call the number of civilizations by the capital letter in. It's a number depends on many things it depends on the total number of stars in the milky wave bends on the fraction of stars that have planets its hands on the average number of planets in a given solar system that are ecologically suitable for life depends on the fraction of suitable planets which life actually arises depends on the fraction of inhabited planets on which intelligence emerges and on the fraction of those planets in which the intelligent beings evolve technical communicative civilization. Finally it depends on the fraction of planets. Lifetime that's graced by technical civilization. call that f. savell this equation. Due mainly to frank. Drake of cornell is only a sentence. The verb is israel's by carefully counting the number of stars in small but representative regions of the sky. We fund that the total number of stars in the milky way is about four hundred billion studies double stars and investigations of motions of nearby stars in many theoretical studies. We get a strong hint that many perhaps even most stars are accompanied by pundits the number of civilization the galaxy then would be measured in the new millions of technical civilizations. That number is pretty. Damn big number when blossom Say the farmer says about bigfoot. They look on richard face the look of frustration that this guy just changed the whole tone of the room to make him look like an idiot is a beautiful piece of acting and i did want to throw in that. There's some amazing moments in this movie of acting. You know teri garr when she saying no. You're not no you're not. I mean that's just so beautifully executed. What he got out of carry gothi is is just phenomenal. Just anyway just wanted to turn back to that. Oh yeah the performance in this are fantastic. I mean my favorite bit of the movie is unfortunately the stuff that isn't in the movie very much in. That's the whole the combs stuff. I love watching that story. I love when they're in the desert mongolia and they find the ship. I love when they're in india and they are hearing the towns. I love when he's explaining the the hand positions and the tones. And all this and the aliens send to roy and jillian and all these different people these images these artistic images that are inside of their brains but they have to break it down and send numbers to the scientists and be like be here at the state you know. Here's the the hours minutes and seconds and thank goodness Bob alabama was a former cartographer. So he could actually understand that. And that's where. It took me years to actually recognize bob alabama in this movie. I'd seen him in subsequent things but that it's that big beard. He's got that big seventies beer bushy beard. It feels like he went right from this right into altered states. Because he's i think he's got that same same great. Big bushy beard didn't really need to roll that globe in there by the way they could've they could've found wyoming right there while it was still on the stand. But it's a great moment. It's a great little scene. Where they're rolling that giant clunky metal and they kind of through that and that was that was filmed after the first edit. They wanted to add that that scene. And that's a nice piece of writing For who happen to speak french and it comes full circle. It's a nice touch. Will you know the numbers that they give on. That paper is actually not the this nation of devils tower. I just hate that people have to put that. I'd like fucking db it's like. Why do you have to ruin things. If james cameron had directed this and then he would have gone back and changed the numbers to make sure they were accurate. Lucky chains the stars in the sky. On titanic here's a plateau. Why why would the aliens form a big dipper in. How would they know that we see from our vantage point and that we picked out a bunch of stars and made a pot out of it like because they don't know our language so they wouldn't be able to read our literature from afar so at the end of what are the first things they do to show that their present is to the ships. Form the big dipper which you almost can't quite make out but it's a big dipper and it's like wait a minute you know about that. That's a plot to me. I like the whole end of the fell my love. I'm always like why did they let grow in jillian. Just kind of wander in here but okay focused on the giant aliens rando show. I love the reds into the porta potty. Because he's terrified. There has to be a few people like that who are just like no. This is too much. I can't do this. One of them was the lawyer in addressing park over by love the whole idea of using music as the language because music is basically another former mathematics. Which is kinda cool that they're doing that and again use john williams to come up with that to be able to work that theme into things as you're going through the whole film. I mean it's pretty great. And then just i also love the scene when they let the take over when the keyboard basic starts playing on its own. It's like all right. This is pretty neat. Visualizing that sort of communication and taking into account the inherent difficulties of that but then providing a visual means to convey this information. I mean it's fantastic. I mean you can clearly see where denise vilna villeneuve. i've always been mispronounce. His name the influence that he took from that when he did arrival. And then that essentially was that entire the entire point of that movie and you know he was even interviewed in the special features for the fortieth anniversary of this and he readily admits a so much of his own. Cinematic language is traced back to close encounters. It is a very clever that he he seems to be the first. You've come up with that idea. That music would be a language in and it makes perfect. It does make sense. It makes a lot of sense you know. What do you think of the him. Entering the ship. I mean. What's your where do you fall on that to me. It's it's the culmination of the wonder this implacable drive. It couldn't resolve any other way that he had abandoned everything and bad in his. His station is job. Everything in society in pursuit of this. He had to take that step. Should they have shown it. Hell no thing today of shit in the interior. I'm very much on steven spielberg's side of this. So there's a reason that he cuts the interior of the sequence when he got to do his director's cut later on. And if he said many times have you had his druthers he never would have even filmed it. It was just what he had to do. in order. get the extra funding from columbia road to shoot the footage. He did wanna shoot with for his special edition or director's cut. That was his morgan and to his credit. I mean he still makes that cut available. You know he clearly doesn't like it but he still puts it out there. And i think it was reading some for the longest time that was the only readily available cut of the film on home media. Like you bought if you bought a close encounters when it came to vhs it was that version not that the actual all right up next. It is a second assistant director. Jim bloom you can hear more from him on our empire strikes back episode and joy. How did you meet. chuck meyers. Chuck was the first assistant director on close encounters and i was the second the only second assistant director and chuck it on admit un-american eighty which was my first movie in nineteen s summer of seventy two and chuck and i sort of hit it off and became fast friends. Chuck sipa fascinating guy. Unfortunately he passed away in the nineties which was a great loss but he was a really unique movie guy. His dad used to be head of production from not mistaken at desi loose studios back in the andy griffith gomer pyle and chuck used to work extra and one point had an sag card had a few speaking lines. Gomer pyle and i think that was something that he may have worked on as well but he got into the director. Still you know back. Then i guess in the sixties or so he was. You know l. a. kid marine corps. You know very smart very funny and a big guy someone imposing like bear of a man you know just gone along very well and so after the conversation he became the although on record i think he was the second. Ad on the conversation he was really the first. Ad production manager was men in clark pillow which i always laugh that i always thought it was a great name for a production manager. I've often found in my life and career that the people have names that suit them. You know very well to have a production manager named halo is particularly suiting. You know in the movie business. But clark was a great guy. Clark was higher or the conversation and francis higher chuck and chuck hired me and i was one of the assistant director trainees. Because of that sort of became a back door assistant director training. I didn't have go. Take the the air force pilot test that they gave all the trainees or senility profile test to find out if you were well suited to becoming an assistant director. I just sort of got in. Because francis worked out a deal with the dj through a company that he had set up to make the conversation with paramount called the directors company that he had set up with. Billy freed ken. Peter bogdanovich and himself and i don't know if they made the other movies but the conversation was one of them so i became a san francisco bay area. This director trainee. And i went to introduce myself to the production manager on streets in theirs singles their second season. And i met a guy named dick gallagher lead and i sit around and if you need me for the day here and there i'd be happy to come in and work and dictating good production manager. Thought oh my god. I've got a trainee in san francisco. And i don't have to pay per diem or living expense and i'm just going to get him on the hired me and i went to work for two seasons and forty six episodes and it was great because i got to work with karl malden. Who's one of the great Actors of all time and lots of other great actors and directors them some who later went on and had great movie. Careers forgetting donovan's first. Name overture daughter. And he came up and he directed if you episodes and was funny. I found out when he was working. He dated my my aunt. My mother's sister. They all grew up into shell. And and we were talking blah blah blah and. He said oh. I grew up in shell and i said oh. Maybe you knew my mother's family rosenberg. He said rosenberg. I used to date dorothy rosenberg. And that's my aunt. So you know it was. It was sort of funny connection that. I wasn't expecting in the second season. The one of the first days was let go and they didn't. I and i said oh call truck and they called shock and then chuck came to work on streets for a period of time and then after streets chuck worked with hal ashby on battlefield glory and they were shooting in stockton and they needed some help and he brought me on his second second. And i worked on down for the portion of bound for glory for all of the migrant camp and train work when they were shooting in and around stockton. And then after that clark payload was hired on closing and clark called chuck and i think stephen was a very good friend of georgia's and new france's and everybody recommended chuck and chuck became the first idea and close encounters. And he called me and said you wanna be my second and it was like like really of course. That's how i got the gig. And then there were a group of us. Production is like a production team chuck in vienna few other people. Many of whom worked on bound for glory altogether. We'll jumped on closer counters. Tell me more about your experiences on close encounters. What was interesting about close encounters. But i was the second assistant director. So i was doing the work of a second which is a lot of the paperwork and getting the actors ready and on the set and dealing with the actors in the background. Action you know. Letting the actor's their day was over second ideas assisting the first ad who's assisting the director it's the team that kind of physically helps the director. Put the movie together. What was particularly interesting about close encounters. Was that when we got to the the box canyon where the other ship lands that. It was so big and huge every day. We had at least fifty to seventy five extras to work with and because of the visual effects. That's that's where. I learned about visual effects on close encounters because we were working with doug trumbull and he brought his new motion control unit down. It was the first time emotion control unit for time. They never used one. I think george. George didn't use one yet. We used one on empire. I don't think he had one on star wars the idea behind motion controls that you could. You could move the camera you know your your camera had an excellent access for painting until thing you could also had a track and you could mimic those movements to match visual effects backgrounds on when you got into post production or you could use plates. That had been created on live action and then add other elements into middle ground type stuff. Which was what we did. Unclear encounters a lot of the spacecraft craft flying around so we had a lot of interactive lighting movements where we would add a little different space craft and close encounters before the mothership eventually lands so is quite interesting so that what we used to say that there are no small shots in the box canyon. Every everything was huge. Everything was just huge huge as far as we were shooting inside dirigible hangar. So it wasn't location. We were in mobile alabama ninety five degrees and ninety percent humidity. Most of the time you know one hundred degrees maybe inside the box canyon set which we had carved in so that we could make it look like nighttime trying to make it look like an interior even in the middle of the day and because of the visual effects we built up the rock canyon around the the flat landing the section of the set and the way we got into the work was to shoot most of the work the big far worth roy a climbing up the rocks and then peering over to reveal the box canyon down below and we did all of their work up on the rocks shooting the two of them either in close up or over the shoulder but the box canyon was always behind them so chuck love to do and what he did because it was rather complicated he took these elaborate storyboards that were covering a thirty or forty pages of script. I don't know that. Remember the exact number and he had to create the action for all of these characters down the low so that as we jumped around in shooting sequences royal jillian on top. Whatever we shot there within later match when we got down to the canyon and a lot of it it was also intercut with what was happening down on the floor of the canyon rain truffaut who played lacomb and the other characters down there and the first communication with the light board communicating to the mother ship and the other ships. That were going just. I was just talking to somebody about this last night. About the five tone chance and how brilliant it was. Steven had come up with this idea. You know tying music to light. So that's how they communicate it. It was music and light work working together. Which i thought was just so elegant and richard was remarkable because we had a move synthesizer down there and a guy for move who actually came in played and roy gas to was the said beck supervisor. Physical effects supervisor had rigged the keyboard polite board and so there were eighty eight little lights on. The board was quite beautiful. Every time they pressed a key on the board. You know the lace with light up in as a as the music and and whatnot. Because john williams said prerecorded those different sounds of the the humans communicating to the extraterrestrials. It was great to see the light board obama. You know as a new sound was playing. You know we had shoot all of that. It was great anyways so because we were doing that. Chuck said to me bloom. Is that you deal with the camera. And i'll take the other guys and we'll go down on the floor and has every time we go to a new scene. You tell me what scene number it is. And then i'll know what to do with all the background action and the other part of it also was that it was We y- on. I was a little bit more politic than chuck was in the sense that i could act as good go between between stephen and ville moshe and our gaffer. Whose name was earl gilbert and earl was brought onto the picture because he had done lots of big big before and this was a really big movie with lots of big grip. Crews huge electric crews. We we had more lights on that. Set in mobile alabama than. I think anybody had ever used that before. I remember people saying no. We can't get any lights. they're all down in alabama. We had every conceivable art that there was a rounding this entire set to illuminate things and we were also working with a new kind of light back then in seventy six which was called an hmo line which had an incident on off the thing about the archers they used to burn you know have to warm up to get the full not and it never really quite worked to put a flag in front of it and then pull it away and so you could like pop hmi on and it would go which just mmediately eliminate something like as if it were a long saucer with all of these different lights and and almost enrolled didn't get along. They sometimes daily talk to each other. You know url would say to me. Well you know. Tell me what the cameras and most say to me. Well you tell me what earls. I felt like i was this traveling diplomat a between different groups and the because these are all the key things around the camera that needs to happen before you get ready to shoot and roll the camera so in some sense i sort of became the first aid as far as being next to the camera. Chuck was down dealing with we were doing on the floor with this huge cadre of actors that we have been about ten or fifteen speaking parts every day. Plus you know. Seventy five extras plus. We had the fifty three to five year old children. Who the et's when the mothership came down running around and we were like pumping smoke that old burnt mineral oil that they use to use to smoke in sets and the thing about the mineral oil mineral oil is accidents and anyway everybody who the rug and it was just a mess it was just you know people getting sick in your breathing mineral oil and some people that have affected their g ice systems as well so it was quite complicated. That's when we finally got there. I sort of took over at first. The first day i did it was in wyoming. In stephen was like chuck. What's going on. who's this guy. I want you out here and check said. No stephen gyms really good he can take care of it. Stephen got used to me and it was never a problem anymore. Because it it all. It all worked fine. I do remember the day that this is sort of small squall blew in off the gulf. And we we were in the box canyon and this huge tarp it had been rigged the back of the canyon to sort of fade away into blackness. When you look down the canyon where the mother ship with land this is before the mothership was put in place blew away. I remember being married hearing the weird howling and blowing and then all of a sudden there was this great ripping sound and we would all look to the back and there was this huge piece of duva team black deuba team that just went like ripped from you know top to bottom and exposing the gray raining wendy x. out real outside world and then this this this going you know what felt like ninety five degrees inside. The tent is huge. Can't that we had the temperature dropping down to seventy which was like this breath of fresh air blowing. You know into into the hangar cooling us all off just blowing yeah but you know it was like oh great now. What do we do now. You know we're all done shooting this for the day and there we go back to you know back to the production or you say okay bowie you. Where do we go. What do we have left to do. Who's who's here. How do we figure this all out. Having worked with richard dreyfuss on graffiti and terry funny worked at richard unger feet he teri garr in the conversation. And melinda dillon on down for glory so i knew most of the cast. You know very very well and other interesting. Sporting actors learn remember his first name. And i can't remember his brother. Was john connolly the governor of texas. Who's with kennedy when he got assassinated and i member chatting with him about all of that during the shooting. Another small personal funny story was my mom decided to take a weekend and come down to visit us while we were shooting. Which was like okay. Fine kind of unusual. And my mom. And i never this connolly was was hitting on my mother while we were. We were working. Which i see. A hugh is this very charming texan. Sell ice to the eskimos and my mom's like this guy hitting on sporting on the list. Let's you know merrill. He was very very good actor. Who a lot of good good actors on the show. It's i still enjoy watching closely comes on. It's one of my one of my favorite movies. Shot on location in wyoming. Loveless that like all of the exterior wyoming devils tower. Work was when roy and jillian drive there and get caught and are taken to the to the secret military camp with all trucks with corporate names written all over them like wigley piggly and rockwell. I forget all the big corporate names role. I guess rockwell at the time and to disguise what they were all doing and the helicopters were flying all over and we get introduced to truffaut at that point or we come back and need him once. Again with bob. Melvin mccollum in his translator and then they come in an interview. Roy in the interview jillian had t shirts made some of truffaut's lines one of great great line. The truth bo had was. They belong hair more than we. Meaning people like roy and jillian who had been touched and who had these visions and were driven to go to this landing site. I remember truth. Coupons line is xabi long ammos then we was how he pronounced. And so we had these phonetically pronounced t shirts that we had written stopped. Francois had written and working with france. Y to be on a movie working with stephen and working with you know vilmos who whose work i knew and of course i knew stevens work and to new france. Want to work with him and get to talk to him. I mean what a treat. That was just remarkable and when i laughed he gave. He gave me two books. He gave me a copy of of jules and jim that he had signed at the time i was living with the woman. Whose name is janet healey. She became famous producer at elimination entertainment. And did all minion movies as a producer later in her career but he changed the title to from. Jill's jim to to uh janet and jim crow jad aging and then he also gave us a copy of the wild child that he signed for us and i and to this day i on the last day of shooting took his back of his directors share which i still have someone. So i've got a francois truffaut directors back. That's a little piece of memorabilia. I've always always cherished. Did i read that. You also worked on the set in india. I did work on the set after close encounters which was a grueling grueling shoot started meiomi wyoming was very difficult because we're on location where we began and i remember working sleeping four hours a night working sixteen hours a day very tough location beginning of the show. Then we went to alabama got alabama. We did a lot. We did mostly the exterior and interior nearly house with richard and teri garr and kids family and showing roy's character roy demise when he gets called and he's out by the train tracks and then everything starts going to walmart while on the train tracks close and the lights come up from behind and he looks and he waves come on out his window and the whites go up. They go up and down at some. Hmi lights a chapman crane to get those lights to pull up and then lift up and then go forward over the top of the truck it and then they mounted lights again on a crane up above the truck when he sticks his head out the window and the light pops on who gets that sunburn on one half of his face. special effects guys in the grips created. This great rain they duplicated the interior of roy's utility truck and put it on a gimbal that would turn around three hundred sixty degrees to show the anti gravity effect when the light was on all stop lifting off the dashboard. And you know flying around the cabin and then re settling down so we did a lot of that work in the entry into. Roy's you know downhill trip into becoming consumed and not knowing what he's doing the great dining room scenes where he's molding mashed potatoes to look like devils tower and that is destroying the garden and taking all of the garden stopped at outside inside and the kids. Think he's crazy. And terry's leaving and taking the kids away and and then also the work at julian's house will carry duffy when ill. The elliott steel steel. Carry little boy. What a beautiful seeing that. What is they pulled him out through the doggy door is one of the classic filmmaking pieces i think i just i just love that and you know they show up within the kitchen. Everything starts you know. Kitchen stuff is out of the kitchen. The oven turns on all these things in. The light shines through the doggy door. Little kerry who is three or four years old and the cutest kid the whole rural kind of crawls over to the door you know and all of a sudden he gets pulled outside and there's a tug of war between a mom and something you know what a great scene that was it was just just wonderful so did all that all of that work and then eventually all. That was happening. The box canyon set inside the hangar. On the old naval air station in mobile was being prepared and ready and finished and pre lit and then eventually we move onto the box canyon but to india. So sorry. I after close encounters took some time off. Chuck then went to work with hell. Ashby on coming home and quote me and said when it come to this. I said of course i was a huge fan of how he was a great human being as well as being a wonderful director and went to work on coming home and then it'll coming home. Chuck got a call from columbia and from stephen saying i'm going to india. You need to shoot the indian a unit and will you come with me and chuck several. I can't leave the jimbo. Common stevens said fine. And so we off. I went to india for a week which was a remarkable experience in nineteen february of nineteen. Seventy five. I got on at lane monday night or something. It was like a two day shoot in india was supposed to be kind of plane left l. a. at i from la to new york landed new york went home. That day slept at my parents. House went back to jfk. That night and flew to london. Got to london met up with stephen and julia phillips and spent a night there maybe next stay got on a plane and flew to with bombay. Which is what it was called at the with doug. Slocum who is the director of photography hit can one of david leans photographers and chick waterston. Who is his camera. Operator in robin bitching. Who is the assistant cameraman. And there was a sound man whose name i can't remember but these were the. This is the british eighteen production man. I mean slocum. Who had done all these great gave it lane movies. And what grade stories. And the the thing that i learned then learned more after working on the star. Wars movies is that you know unlike in the us when you go on location usually going somewhere around the state of california whatever but in britain when you go on location. You're going off to some far funding place in the world so these guys are traveled everywhere that you know traveled to north africa to south africa to india before all over the world that was their backyard whereas our backyard would have been the back lot. You were in la or somewhere on location in california or wherever you were shooting. Let's say but there's was anywhere in the world you needed to go so it wasn't such a big deal for them to get on the plane and fly there and working with doug with such a treaty was great. Great camerman wonderful gentleman and movie. People often like to talk about the movies that they worked on with other people who are interested and so it was a wonderful street to work with him. And we got to. You got the india. What was like two days later for me. It's i mean what is it a sixteen hour time change eighteen. Our time changes. Like if i who knows what time it is and then we went out to scalpels location which was about an hour to an hour outside of bomb day along the bombay poona in which is probably like a six lane highway now than it was two lane highway going out of bombay. Out to this little village and scattered the locations and scouted. The the shots and francois is with us as well. He flew in with us. And bob alabama was with us. And i think that lance. I'm trying to remember lance hendrickson was with us. As he was part of that tufo group of we went out and shoot and then went out to shoot the next day we had. We had an indian line producer production manager. Whose name was bob. A shake who this very experienced and in indian production manager. The indians know much about making movies as the americans do because bollywood was a huge huge industry and they were all around bombay so it was. You know easy. Get together with you know. Put put the unit together that they needed with cameras and equipment and everything else and we went india as opposed to somewhere else because columbia had rupees that were frozen in india that could only be spent in india. They couldn't they couldn't leave the country so it made sense for columbia to used that money up by setting stephen there. Shoot the sequence. The you know these two three four thousand. I forget how many you know looking at the sky on command from the priests on the hill singing the five tone chant which is remarkable and took a while to get the first shot setup. It was outrageously hot. You know must have felt like you know hundred degrees. Maybe running around and steven didn't have a hat. And i gave my hat to steven if you see pictures of stephen from india. He's wearing my red streets of san francisco. Tv show cap on his head. Because i gave it to because the director needs a hat and i'll give him mine young indestructible and it turned out. I wasn't either from you. Know flying lack of sleep traveling not staying hydrated and being so thirsty that i drank four or five coca. Cola's one right after another. you know. I've had caffeine overdosed on caffeine and heat. And anyway i just started to get really rusi and i never passed out but i just got weak and i just i had to get off my feet and so that afternoon. I just like kind of calmed down. I remember i went into the tents and stuff and duly who was there who is the producer. She's looked at the end. I was gonna die. you know. i got very pale and applied pressure dry anyway. I i wasn't well. And then i spent the afternoon in the tent and the next day i was like two weeks ago back out again so bobby shake took over for the second day of sequences with which was all the extras running through the village. Up to the top of the whole before they did the five tung-chan truffaut and balabagn were making their way up to the top of that small amount where the priest was the other indian extras. Were like running by them on their way toward where they were about to do the chant. That was sort of the work that came before the work we did on the first day. Which is there up on the on the on the mount and the priest is leading the thousands of extras in the five tone. Chant down below. So i'm i missed. I missed that second day. Unfortunately and then after that a day later we flew back to london and then the day after that we all flew back to la. They after that. I was back on the set on coming. Home was pretty pretty quick traveling. Did you go to the premiere of the film movie which premiered in seventy six the shot and seventy six. It came out in seventy seven november of seventy seven. No i don't. I don't think i did go to the premiere i think. In november of seventy seven i know star. Wars came out like may of seventy seven close encounter. Wasn counters. Didn't come out until you you might you know i. I don't remember going to pronoun. I remember getting one of the sort of those premier cards had the casting the cast and crew names and whatnot. But i didn't. I don't recall going to redo remember that during post production. I got a phone call from julia and stephen and they wanted to come down and help him finish the movie because they were worried about finishing on time. And i guess it was going on over it at trembles don. Doug trembles outfit. You know working with doug. That was another great tree has done done all the work off as odyssey which was just remarkable and he's such a brilliant guy and i remember working with him and with era sich and dick curious itch and you know what a great treat it was to to work with yet. Another stepping-stone in you know visual effects storytelling another tool and it became a great learning experience for me before i went to work on 'em potter i also i got a picture you know in my memorabilia book. The time that george came down mobile after he finished shooting on star. Wars to visit stephen at night. A picture of the three of us sitting up on the rocks somewhere in in the box canyon. You're waiting for waiting for a shot to get little set up before we roll the camera. And i had known george from graffiti and had kept in touch with with them over the years as well so that was great. Treat for me to be with these directors who i have worked with at that point admired. Some was great great of these two guys getting together with me in the shot. Wonderful photograph for me. I know you worked. With how far would matthew robbins on warning sign. Did you meet them on close encounters. I i met them in steven's office days before principal photography wrote when they came in to do some on credited script work and exchange. They are the first to to walk off the mothership and close encounters there. The world war two no pilots who became who got updated. And they're the first to to wander off like open is like where are we. Had we get here where we denver. You know what's happening for the last forty years and those are that's that's how him but another interesting story is a week or two before photography columbia said to the production team into stephen. Too much money you have to cut something out. You have to cut something. Something's gotta go out too. Many days of shooting like tickle studio story as you know. I should have kept the story closer to home in my career as time went by so chuck and i are walk into. Steven's office in court payload was probably there to to talk about what we could shorten on film before photography and stephen. We look through it and stevens give you the board was okay in. Stephen took the production board. And you may know. Movies were scheduled production mortgage. She would take individual little strips colored strips you would call her them for like daytime nighttime interior exterior different set pieces. It would have little boxes on. He would write the numbers for all the actors that had a key actors. One two three four like you know ryanair a jillian roy's wife tufo but ever their character's name so you would know who is working on an individual an individual scene and you put other information down about a special extra props or extra little description of seeing and you would lump all these these little. Oh like maybe four or five strip food one day or four or five strips would make three days so that you would know what you're shooting. It was easy to manipulate these strips around you were going through the schedule and things changed so for example when the the tarp ripped and it was like okay. What are we shoot now or the story. I told you from empire when the weather was so bad we had to bring harrison and we took a strip that was supposed to be shot in the studio. We moved it up to the norwegian. First unit location used to physically. Just pick these little scripts up and moving around so you could reschedule the movie. And you have this easy rural video or making base by the end of digital. Seems that you were shooting. Because that's how screenplays were written was seen one two three four five and so we walked in steven's office with the board and we couldn't figure anything out and stevens said the board of the board to steven and steven take the board and shook it and two days popped out prop down and stephen sayre your days. Were done this meetings over and we looked at each other but it was. You know stephen duty was doing. It was brilliant. It was just like it was it was arbitrary at that point you know. He knew that the studio was pregnant with the movie that they couldn't turn it down that we just had a get rid of two days so we just like popped two days out. It's like you sort of you know that you've got five days to shoot a sequence who's gonna take that long but you. It just became three days and because we were doing things that nobody had ever done before it didn't matter is like go make the movie and when we were shooting we were. We were weeks behind schedule because the work was so difficult and the sets were so big and the visual effects would take so long. And i used to joke when we were shooting that the only way that we were gonna stay on schedule was to stop shooting. We were weeks and weeks and weeks behind by the time we were over. I think we're supposed to be finished. And when did we start in april or may and got to alabama and may lead alabama until the end of august. Must've been or five twenty eight to twenty days. Twenty four days over schedule picture costs much more. And but you know. I think that the studio realized when the head of production at the two more stories headed production guy. John beach who is tall striking. Good looking guy who again a movie assistant director working on huge movies throughout his career and then became the executive vp of production columbia pictures. And you know he came down to the set and realize what we were doing. I think he realized was now. This is a really big movie we got going on here. This is not like it's not like people fucking around or they don't know what they're doing everybody's working really hard. It just takes. It takes a lot of time to do this kind of warning. They'll like we're in good hands. And i think at some point he kind of shrugged in back to la. Mr thank you again for your time. I really appreciate it okay. I'll let you go mike. Thank you very much to talk you. i appreciate it. i look forward to. We'll portugal area mm-hmm. I think this movie was the first time. I've actually experienced the different cuts of a film like when i was younger. And they would talk about the special edition. I'm just like okay. It was like a whole new phenomenon for me to the idea of having multiple versions of one film available and i like a lot of the other parts of the special edition but yeah when they when he goes into the ship. Is this like all right. one thing. That is strange wealth seeing it on a small screen because that's not the version i saw on the big screen seeing it on a small screen. I'm just like are there other people in here. It seems like there's other people that i'm seeing. I'm not seeing them clearly. And i'm not seeing the aliens and that's kind of what i was hoping was like. Here's what the alien ship looks like inside with all. The aliens says basically like him in the red jumpsuit. Looking kinda like you know joel from. Msg three k. dislike bouquet looking around all right great. You know he's he's got the wonder that steven spielberg wonder face. But i'm not sharing the same wonder i'm just like what is going on. I'm like twisted my glasses like an old man. Do see something there. Yeah you do see the alliens you just. It's very hard to make them out that. He's looking at a big huge. Almost city wall of windows of little aliens are just like many many many tiny aliens and you see the moving a little bit and they're all looking down on him sort of you know and then he starts crying. Yeah so those are aliens but it's very hard to make it out. It's it's very confusing to me. That's that's almost a bigger reason not to have that scene is that it's very confusing. I mean if he would have had really done it properly you would have really gotten something that made some sense and then the other alien coming out. Afterwards they put the the third alien coming out afterwards is even more confusing there people who actually think that they turned richard dreyfuss into an alien. You know that's kind of it kind of thing that wake assembly. A beam of light shoots down. Richard dreyfuss than outcomes is like carry guthrie looking elliott. I don't know. I don't know what would have had to have the dreyfuss stubble. In order to give me to believe that you know they base that face on harry gaffey and if you look at it creeps you out once you know it but it looks like him and it's very creepy another reason. I think they're militia militias. There were sampling. The dna very creepy. How many times they probe that kid. I don't even want to think about that. I've seen communion. I know what they do. Navy this the other thing about this the idea that will out. I am trying to remember I should look this up but how many other alien abduction zooms came out before close encounters and how many followed. Commune came out after this right. Yes yes it is eighties again if there's an interesting made for tv. Movie with james earl jones and the woman who plays the mother on golden girls. What's her name is still getty. And that's based on a supposedly true couple that experienced and it's a very interesting tv movie. It's very odd and it's nothing like anybody would make now. They're spent a lot of the time in dark psychiatrist's office crying. But it's on youtube but look it up. And that was a rare rare Abduction movie made for tv movie. That came out before close encounters but not not a lot. The following story is based on the records of the united states. Air force the files of the hayden. Planetarium and the actual transcripts of the tapes made by betty and barney hill under hypnosis by dr benjamin simon the purpose to penetrate an extraordinary case of double amnesia precipitated by their claimed citing of ufo in nineteen sixty one and then you have to wonder how many how many accounts spite after close encounters came out. How many reports. Well that was it. Will i think some of it is. The idea of. We are being accepted. It's okay for me to come forward now and tell my story because the movie came out so there's always going to be that but i'm always curious like the way that the aliens look most of the aliens in here. It's that seem know. Talk about the ufo museum. It's at same shape of the face. The big is like it's that alien face inside cover of communion that we all know and i'm so curious when that became the face for aliens and is it one of those things where people are seeing that face. Are they thinking that. The scene. That face i just reporting it because that's the face that we now associate with aliens. There's some people that are just like. Oh yeah this is like a young gin thing where it's buried in our subconscious and we we because we were. We were visited by aliens. Ancient aliens all those years ago and this is the image. That's in our head. Kind of like cow. Roy has the mention his head. But it's just like. I'm very curious. Where did that come from. Who is the first person to draw that. And who was the second person that'd be like. Yeah that's what i saw. What i remember. This is all very very very hazy. But when i was a kid and into my teenage years i was very into all of this and remember the the emergence of the grays as it were the end. What's interesting is while that has become kind of the preferred aliens at the same time. When people were reporting gray's there were these wildly different descriptions of aliens and drawings of aliens that look nothing like them and one of the theories. It was put up west. Why the gray kind of latched on has to do with something of what you're talking about. Those sort of subconscious Recollections but rather than it being ancient aliens visiting us. There was somebody that was being interviewed that they were talking about when babies are first developing their eyesight and how it before kind of locks in and slowly developing our is the view that we have of the world is very distorted and very blurry and as a result there they theorize that when somebody leans over a baby the eyes of the first thing they look at and that takes center stage. And that's how the how a baby interprets efface is very similar to the drawings of grey's so wherever that came from that's what resonated with people because on a deep subconscious level that was our first view of other people. It was something that looked very much. Like a gray. And i really wish i had the source. I mean this is stuff. That's like deep subconscious. I've heard it. And i held onto it but do up damned if i know the source of it so i could be talking completely out of my ass because people forget things and people make shit up as i've said before i mean of course they didn't make up the alien autopsy video that we all watched in the nineties saw. I love that as a kid. I was convinced that in the remake of the alien encounter. I forget what it was called words like. The people are at a party in the aliens come in they attack their house nat signs. No wasn't signs. It was a. I was when it was first made. It was a shot on. Vhs thing and i watched it recently on shudder seen towards the end here just a couple of. There's some amazing easter eggs in this movie. One is when they're the abductees are coming out of what they call the dustbin. Which is that the exit there. That's all bright and you can barely see anybody and i. It's the lost pilots. But then it's a bunch of regular people and adult comes out and that doug looks exactly like the dog in spielberg's very very first footage at any movie that spielberg ever made firefight. The movie he made when he was a teenager that was like a two and a half hour movie that he sunk a lot of money into and actually had a showing a movie theater There's only like two and a half minutes of that available. You can find it on youtube but it. There's a dog and i swear to you. it's the same dog. He picked exact same breed. exact same. look it's a very unique looking dog. And i think that's a i think i'm pretty sure that's an easter egg. And then the other thing is you know the the mothership i guess most people this is covered in will. There's an rtd to hanging upside down you know and you can you. Can you can make that out if you know where to look for it. They covered that mothership the model which was like a five and a half foot model with little crazy classic things which includes a shark a bus a tie fighter a little cemetery account with wings a mailbox. Anyway it's there's just a million little things like crazy silly things. You can't really make them out. You can make out there too. That's hanging upside down. If you look carefully. But anyway. I just love the. I love that kind of stuff at some point. I need to visit the museum where they actually have that model. But i would love to make that trip and i did. I did find what i was looking for. The original film was called the mcpherson tape. It was released in nineteen eighty nine and then the director. Denali oto did another version in nineteen ninety. Eight's that was on. Upn called alien abduction incident in lake. County i've seen that cover of the mcpherson tape. And i wanna say it's like it says something like the first encounter or something like that. Yeah yeah so they were definitely playing off of the Close encounters stuff and they currently have that on shudders of anybody has that subscription you can. It's it's an interesting little watch. it's not it's early early stuff but you know very primitive but not you know. It's kind of fun. I love any found footage garbage. I love it. I did appreciate the one writer who is writing about The use of lens flare in the film and how this is like you know we tend to think of. I tend to think of lens. Flare is like steak but then there are filmmakers like spielberg that. Were doing it on purpose to add that kind of fear similitude like this is a real object. That can actually cause the lens flare. Says like oh. That's kind of a neat idea that you're doing that. And that you were doing it sparingly. Not only did it. At an other world equality to the the craft you'd have to look through the flair to kind of see it but from a practical standpoint. It really helped hide some of the compositing the fact that they were able to introduce it in use the lens flare is a way to kind of cover up some of the jagged lines that come from it and one thing that i thought was incredible. Just a researching and now all of the miniature work was shot and seventy millimeter because they wanted it to look pristine when they composite into thirty five so they they knew that we're going to have you know signal loss. Because of their duping generation but so by filming in that high definition they were able to composite and it looks still looks really good a lot of technical innovation telling obviously since douglas travel. I mean you know he. He had done two thousand one. I mean he already knew so much of what he's doing. And i believe he has said that this was actually harder to do than two thousand one which is a little hard to believe because everything was juxtaposed in a real world setting instead of just slowly just slowly floating through space you had these these spaceships zooming around highways and that was actually much harder star. Wars was amazing. But you can see the difference in the quality of how crisp and the wow factor of these bishops. It's and it's pretty hard to beat star wars. It is time for our final interview. It is affec- supervisor. Douglas trumbull you can also hear him over on our brainstorm episode enjoy. Where were you at in your career at that point because you had already directed one film you're about to tear. You're you're going to direct another one in a few years time. This is prior to star trek the motion picture. As far as i know so we doing before you got the call to do close encounters while i had started a company with paramount called future general corporation the mandate to explore the future of cinema. That was when we were experimenting with simulation rides and high frame rates and video games and real time virtual sets and compositing. So we were doing a lot. We're kind of pretty busy. Though company was under paramount. Pictures close encounters came along. I was asked by stephen to consider working on the film with him. And you know at that time. He was the young guy who had just done jaws. And i thought wow this is a really interesting young director. Those going places and i love the idea. I loved the script. I love the idea of doing a story. A positive and uplifting story about ufo's and alien contact rather than you know aliens as flesh eating monsters. So i was very predisposed to say. Yes but i was under contract to paramount so i had to request a leave of absence from paramount. Go do this picture. And at the same time. I had been developing the show scan process as part of the stuff i was doing for future general so we had quite a lot of sixty five millimeter cameras and optical printer isn't other stuff we were pulling together for shows in so richard precision. I felt that this was a perfect time to put it all to work on a movie. And so richard usage. Should i join together and form this new company called. Entertainment affects group in close encounters. Was the first job we did. I knew for sure you weren't a lot on the ending. The whole mothership stuff. What other things were you responsible for. All the ufo's and all the clouds and all the anything anything unusual happens. But there's a lot of stuff that happens up on. What we call crescendo summit. Which was that kind of mountain top. Where all the locals gathered a wait for the next ufo citing and were teri garr and her child show up. That was all a lot of front projection of the you know. The backgrounds in those seeds was pretty complicated because we discovered a number of things that happen during that production. Which was that even if we had stars in the projected plate but the screen that the project was going on was one hundred fifty feet away and the stars were out of focus. You just can't have stars out of focus so we deleted the stars. Put them in post production as sharp stars. Even though the rest of the background was out of focus you can. You can cheat the human eye and that seems it seems natural in stars are supposed to be in focus then so be it so things like that happened all the time. And then we had to add the ufo's those sequences later because they fly by everybody's watching it was quite a bit of interesting development. That happened around that. Because stephen is very inclined to do things practically if he can he wanted to have at least the lighting effects on the actors the for moving lights and so they rigged up a big arm list. Hydraulic arm like a excavator. But a crane really could dangle. Bucket was a big ten k. Light on it move that around but the crane operator couldn't see the set he can only just he was back behind the set putting this thing up over. The top and stephen realized that that was that was really dangerous in that there was every chance that that thing was going to drop or fall or hit somebody in the head or crush somebody or whatever so you cancel that. Just put lights up on a stand and moved them around so the shadow change or anything but it was ineffective interactive lighting. There's a lot of trust like throughout the movie. You know way terry. Gars backyard where. Ufo's appear in the fields and then there were shots like inside her chimney or the cameras moving down the chimney toward the damper and she's reached hand africa's that was shot in our studio. There was some other things that we didn't do entirely at our place with some some of what we did. At the studio at a stage in the studio for instance when the mothership lands the first thing after the this big mirrored surface descends out of the water. The mothership the first thing that shows up. Is this really weird called Alien a very thin guy. And i shot that for stephen even there. When i shot that was was a puppet job that was a puppeteer creature and so it was my idea to you know. Hold his arms out embrace. It seemed to be non malevolent. Who actually did the designs for the spaceships. We did them all our shop. There were storyboards that just had a representations of objects and no one knew. What the objects we're going to be and steven was very interested in doing some really odd ball things because he liked the idea that the alliens had lifted components of our culture and had replicated them as the ufo's and so one of them was going to be a severe a big sphere that if you rotate around it would say seventy six on it. Which was the seventy six gas stations. And we look pretty corny and then we wanted one. That look like mcdonald's so he had to yellow elipsoid craft. It would fly together then. Form the mcdonald's arginine fly out what time of money was spent on those kinds of things until he realized it was just too too cornball and so found a happy solution which was to us talk at toys and objects around the shop and put lights on them and shoot them in smoke. And you couldn't really tell what they were some of them we build out of plexiglas and some of them were just actually toys or objects so if you look closely at so. Ufo's flying around devil's tower. One of them is like a gas mask. But i your face and one of them is a talk truck flies in then when the mothership shows up melinda was there was him when when she looks back in the end. The mothership is rising up behind her r. Two d. two in a couple little volkswagen trucks in some airplanes from nineteen forty one or on the rim of the mothership is. We're all inside jokes. That we played as stephen leicht. If gaels like lighting some of those objects must have been a real challenge that police chase and the way that the ships go through the The toll booth. It seems like that must have been a real challenge to marry those elements. Well wasn't it wasn't all that hard. The toll booth was shot as alive location in mobile alabama but then we added the effects afterwards by a miniature version of that toll booth at just as black cutouts that we could smoke it and have the ufo's fly through there and have interactive lighting. Was pretty simple really. Felt like each of those ships had its own personality. Well that was. That was the idea that was stephen wanted to. Have you know personality. And a sense of humor and a little red dot that flying around looking at things was really kinda like tinkerbell and a disney cartoon. There was a version of the movie. Very few people know this story but they was. There was a version of the movie where the ending scene. Where the mothership us when you wish upon a star which was disney property and he got a kind of an al qaeda try licensing that and john williams wrote the score with when you wish upon a star in it and then he wrote the score with when you wish upon a star just kind of alluded to in the music. You'll you'll see a bit of that in the end of the movie. But we did have to back-to-back previews it was in denver or dallas. I'm not sure where it was but we did a preview where we watched the audience very closely during the previews as did steven to figure out which of the endings. And which of the music cues were best. And that's when stephen quoted that when you wish want to start was just a little bit over the top corny and decided leave that out go with the version without it. Tell me about the of the special edition. Because i was the first movie. I really remember being released multiple times. When i was growing up and having different versions of it when steven came up with the idea the special edition i said you know. I really don't think this is a good idea. And i don't want to participate in it and one of the there. Were a couple of reasons one was i thought it was going to undermine the mr mystery. What the mothership is like. And the going inside would be eddie. Climactic but also. I felt that his expectation. That he the i at all of our visual effects crew. Do it for free. Made no sense because he was gonna reap the profits. He was doing it for you to try to get some more revenue out of the movie. That's okay but i just said you know if i don't get paid i don't think i wanna do it kind of balls to ask you to work for free. It's you know everybody should favors for one another. Sometimes the favors cost nothing. Meaning if you ask rick dreyfuss to show up for a day for free. It's not a big deal for rick to do that. If you ask a crew have to read a stage. Don't have to pay the utilities optical printing and completion which caused serious money. That's a favor to big. Were you on sat at all or were you just kind of set a lot on his. What were you doing there. Supervise photography any photography on the stage in an airplane hair in alabama any photography that required visual effects added to it. A richard jurisdiction. I supervise. We had to set the camera. Angles locked the cameras down. We had blackout parts of the frame where we knew a painting or of visual effect was going to be added later and it was using all of our sixty five millimeter cameras so we were there constantly doing that and then there were some really complicated issues which was That we had built a motion control of specifically for close encounters which was a way that we could record the camera. Motion on the set is a camera on the set. We could record those welsh's capture them digitally and then take that back to our studio so that if the camera panned over and then reveal. Ufo's in that shot. He had to have a recording of that shop. In order to match the ufo's into the shot was the first time that ever been done. Digitally and it was a breakthrough. Motion control system. So that were great and it wasn't easy it was on the putting like -nology in we we're using a dual digital tape recorders that were cassette tape recorders that record digital data like you have for set audio recorder but it was digital so it had to be able to start this. Stop and start rewind. Does he's automatically. The scary part of it was that they weren't reliable and they would eat the tapes once in a while and you would never really know until it was too late so as always very risky to use these things and so one of the funny jokes on the sat. Because it was stephen because these recorders eight two tape. one of the recorders was called jaws. One one of the requires was called jaws to. That's just a little bit of lore movies. Everybody civil grazie. How did you end up doing all of those cloud effects especially the ones where the You could see ships inside of their see delights at least from them working one of the guys working with us scott squires who has had quite a career since then and he was a very ingenious non visual effects guy and he came up with this idea because we had committed to the idea of doing these clouds and tanks is. I knew that you could. You could inject the old paint or milk or something into a tank. It look kind of like a cloud and scott came up with this idea of filling the tank half full with saltwater which was a heavier specific gravity in the other half of the tank with fresh water or just lighter specific gravity in tuning the paint. Which in this case was half and half or milk mixed with water so that it would be injected into the freshwater and then fall down and then spread out across. The saltwater. Wasn't heavy enough to go through the saltwater so it gave kind of flat bottoms to the clouds which was really effective. Stunning a little bit of physical dynamics. So that was how that was done. it was all. It was a manipulator arm from an atomic hot room. And i had learned about this when i was working on. The andromeda strain for robert wise was a kind of an arm thing where these two arms that could move together through a connective tissue between the top. If you pull the trigger on one you were pulling the trigger on the other so as a way of picking up vials of radioactive liquids and being able to pick up a vial porat re carefully into another voller whatever in a hot room so the controller was not in the hydros outside the opera but inside the hot room. The exact same thing was happening. So i adapted that to the clouds so that i could paint three dimensional in the tank so i had a little pipette that came into the tank from the manipulator arm and it had a little electronic valve on it and i had the other controller outside. The tank was a trigger on it. So every time. I pulled the trigger or paint would come into the tank so i could start the trigger and start saying painter left or ride or sub to bomb or in and out and create three dimensional clouds in the tank And it was very very effective and very fun to do. That was one of the keys to the movie. Because i think that was when stephen really got the full support of the studio when they saw those clouds they knew that they were onto something really extraordinary and that was a big lesson for me too because i found out that if you did some extraordinary effect that can make or break a movie and so that was a bird crowd moment. We've talked a little bit before about frame rates and the size of the actual film itself. What were you shooting that on. Sixty five millimeter negative film which has more than twice as big as thirty five elevator. And the the reason we were doing that was just simply for quality control. Because you're shooting at extremely sharp clear grain free image on a larger film and so when you optically duplicate it there's always a grain build up and a a loss of quality every generation loss equality so by shooting sixty five millimeter and then compositing optically in sixty five millimeter. Then doing a final reduction to thirty five elevator. You would end up with a quality that was as good if not better than the original thirty five millimeter photography rather than worse so all the movies of the day the visual effects were always worse or worse man lines or worse grain or less claritin than the principal shot so our idea was just simply match the principal shots and we did that on close encounters and bladerunner star trek the motion picture brainstorm. How big were some of these models that you're dealing with. When it came to like the individual ships or the mothership. There were a lot of different sizes. We didn't have any rules about sizes dependent on how close the object was to get to the camera. The the model of the of devils tower itself which was a plaster model was being. The the mountain itself was maybe fourteen sixteen inches tall. Maybe ten or twelve inches and feathering down to a larger table was probably eight hundred eight feet then. The mother ship was about six feet in diameter. the mothership was all designed around this really interesting scale phenomenon. That happens in smoke. The whole plan was to shoot everything in smoke degraded an atmosphere natural atmosphere and we found out that particularly with the mothership. You could create this folks so dense that the the mothership would just look bigger bigger and bigger like a city the optical density of the smokeless enough so we were often shooting the mothership in a room with so much smoke that you couldn't even see the mothership across the room. There was enough distance between the camera and the mothership to be just right. There was all designed around scale. The mothership doesn't look very interesting without the smoke. it's in the smithsonian institution. I sought several years ago there on display in a glass case. And it's it's a beautiful miniature but it doesn't have any magic to it because there's no lights in smoke. It's all about lighting slow. Yeah the lights come off of. That are just amazing. I imagine that they had to be really break to get picked up correctly on film while they weren't really particularly bright. It's the exposures were particularly law and it took several seconds per frame the photograph from russia. So time is your friend. Like news opened the shutter than the film remains sensitive. Leave the shutter open long enough to get a good exposure and then go to the next. So that's what motion control was all about was being able to repeat movements smoothly during long exposures which we learned previously had two thousand. And one i know your whole life is solving problems in finding creative solutions for problems. I'm curious what were some of the biggest problems that you solved on close encounters. The biggest technical problem was ready to motion control system itself and making sure that was absolutely repeatable and that the motion was smooth and that the recordings were and in the testing phase of that system. We with really surprising results because we could take the Like the handles on the panel head or the cinematographer on the set We're just operated by the. I was just did what he always. Did he panicked. What with the handles. That's the way it's done on set. And we looked at the recordings on a kind of a oscilloscope not associated. We credit out the recordings as a like a wave file so we could see what it was going fast is going. Slow would slowed down when it stopped when it went back another direction or whatever and we kept seeing little blips periodic lips and we wondered what was wrong with the system. We found out that we were recording the heart rate of the cameraman. Well that was accurate. I mentioned you have to work really closely with the camera operator. And with the dp in order to make sure that stuff's going to match exactly gotta match the lighting perspective and the focal length of the lens. And everything exactly and so often we use exactly the same camera and the same lenses like when we the camera we took a mobile to shoot the whole devils tower sequels which mostly used a thirty millimeter lens in order to get the shots of the entire landing pad and looking off into the distance. Had to actually weld camera to platform to the building and the camera sat there for days weeks while we just shot periodic shots of whenever. We had a a a shot. A pie that stephen wanted. And then we just unbolted. The camera took it back to the studio and shot the miniatures for the same using the same camera and the same lens so everything match perfectly in perspective and color the lens flares with those same and everything looked like fifty other. Did you just come up with that or had. You done tasks like that before. Well it just was a it was a natural thing to do when it was just logic to do that. I know that spielberg has gotten really or had gotten into Story burning quite a bit was all of the story. Boarded out before you even well. We were part of making storyboards. They didn't make them before. We came on board. We made the storyboards with serb artists and told them what we wanted to see and some of them have been later. We you know we would set certain camera camera camera angles on the set and then that would become a story board because we knew we had to add things and so the question was what are we gonna add and so we would often you know. Take a shot of the landing pad or recall it in make us color print and patients visa cardboard and then draw on it or the mothership was going to go and what would be the perspective. The mothership as a miniature to be added to it was an interactive thing was all the story board was the intention of the shot. The reality was what actually matched the perspective of the shop. I imagine when you're doing something like these effects that they are so time consuming and so costly that you can't afford really to shoot too much extra and there's nothing laying on the cutting room floor of these things very very little cutting room floor or stuff a very high degree of of success rates for shots and all. Is nothing wasted. We're to close encounters rank for you as far as enjoyment of the experience or not very very high. It was great. I had had a kind of my own cultural problems. Living in mobile alabama. Just because there's no there's no classical music stations and we were being harassed by the ku klux klan. Or some anti klu klux klan things that rick dreyfuss had said on a television interview it was a little bit spooky on the set sometimes when these drive bys would happen guys with guns and stuff threatening us but in general it was a really fun. Creative experience working with stephen has a really great vision. And i had one of the files stories i would say about. The whole movie was that. I didn't know when i read the script or when we made the film that it's possible that a lot of what stephen headed screenplay was based upon the writings of a real french. Ufo cert- researcher named jacques valet who was played by francois truffaut as lacomb. But that's a real character in rely. And i didn't know until many years later jock bell as a real guy and i made it my business to find him and talk to him and find out that He had written a lot of reports of ufo in several books that he knew that steven spielberg had read before he wrote the screenplay. And so there's nothing wrong with that. That's what we all do. We research are movies or make them try to find out what's plausible. But i didn't know that that meant that may be close. Encounters is a documentary film. And that maybe. Those things depicted in the movie actually happened. That's a real wild story. What research did you do as far as how you came up with the way that the ships are going to move in those kinds of things very little i mean. Ufo's were big part. My life from the day. I was born in. I was born in l. a. when you know world war two was just really getting ready to go l. a. during my birth was being under under attack there was a blackout and everyone was completely freaked out because you know nineteen i was born in nineteen forty two and the attack on pearl harbor happened in nine forty one so everybody on the west coast was completely freaked out and afraid of some japanese attack on the coast and so there were regular areas and all kinds of stories about that period of time and so but i grew up around the front cover of life magazine and look magazine national geographic and popular science and popular mechanics and it was everywhere so. Ufo's were just part of growing up was a big part of the culture at the time because that was all becoming post roswell so i didn't have to do a lottery search to imagine what i thought. You will look like what it became was not being discs. According to ufo lor not flying saucers per se were executing what steven one. Which was that they were like. We were pure light. And so the whole said stevens said i had a moment with him and he said no. I want him to look like big. Wide body jets approaching. Lax at night. And he wanted them to look like indistinct and nebulous and mysterious. And you really couldn't tell what the shape was we just all lens flares and luminosity and so that's the direction we went so we had complete fair play of just coming up with lots of ways to do that which are very hard to paint every hard to build as miniatures but the miniatures for close encounters were dairy simple little shapes of like snow cones out of black and hamburgers. Out of black. The whole idea was to have all these lights coming out of them and in many of the shots. If you look closely you'll see their faces you know there's is in a mouth nose even though it's abstract and it's made out of light there's a face any kind of looks funny and humorous and delightful and not scary. It's not a monster doesn't have you know big glowing teeth and fangs. All through the movie was the sense of benign beauty. That i really admired in is really happy to do. What have you been up to and heavy been able to get much done during the pandemic. I never stopped working. I'm developing a feature film. Right now was away. We do it. All by zoom calls do our contacts with the studios zoom calls and we do but the script development zoom calls and we haven't actually been in production on anything so we haven't had to suffer the pandemic 'isolation social distancing stuff on a set which is very challenging but by the time we got this project ready to shoot the pandemic will be over. And we'll be able to do stuff. Mr trump thank you so much for your time. This is great to talk to you again. I really appreciate this. Thank you very much With any other deleted scenes that you guys remember where you're just like. Oh yeah this really should have been in there or anything. That kinda struck a chord for you. Well the one. That was interesting to me. Because for the longest time. I i'd always heard that the director's cut the third cut. That spielberg did was basically the best of the theatrical and the special edition now. I heard that he'd cut some things out of the special edition. But i thought that pretty much everything had been restored for the director's cut but there is actually one scene that was didn't make it over. Its were Roy visits the power plants. That's only in the theatrical cuts and it's it's kind of a little nothing of a scene but it was interesting to me that's like oh that was part of the movie because again my preferred version of the film is spielberg's Preferred version that final director's cut so going back and watching these different versions. Like wait a minute. i don't know this scene. yes. I like that too. It's a great setting. it's very real. You know you. You imagine they went to a real place. Just should i like the i like. The you know that in of royce character and all these you know these kinds of normal games all around him and and how you know again. It's above your head because it's all very technical. Some people might think it's boring. But i think it adds a lot of flavor to realism to the whole thing for me. Also the one that comes after that that was excised is him going to the site where some of the lines came down where they were maybe taken by the nose and he's talking to this other guy and they're talking about the problems with the lines missing and what's going on around the different towns You hear the dispatch radio saying these things about what people are reporting and you could almost don't notice it. It's just in the background. And they're saying yes. A woman's reporting a tiffany lamp. That's upside down. That's outside our window. And i love that touch. It's spooky little background. You almost don't notice it touch. It's a woman's voice kind of pops a little bit and it's just like what's going on on the police radio where all these people are reporting these very strange sightings you know and i love that touch and there's a little touch that's in the movie that i never noticed except for on a repeated. Viewing was when Royce getting fired. And she's on the phone right before that. The boys are kind of arguing. And you don't notice it. It's like a background argument. It's not in the front. It's not even in the script that steven spielberg that i that he wrote and the kids are saying you know. Was that you who stole my covers last night. you know. Someone came in through the window and stole mike and so creepy and you don't notice it it's just in the background but the kids are talking about how like it seems like something happened when you think about it. It's seems like that. Maybe an alien experience. I don't know it's very interesting i love. I love his details. I totally forgot about that until you mentioned that. But yeah that's fantastic when they do that. I've you guys ever seen cases of the nerd kind. no. I haven't seen that one. But i didn't check it out watched it. I watched it. You don't know how many times i've seen it over years. I mean it was on the same. Vhs tape as hardware wars and pork clips now. And i would like not only would they show it. I think they showed it on. Like maybe nickelodeon if they didn't have enough room if they had too much room after a movie after a program but i saw it on. Tv a lot. When i was growing up and then rented harbor wars and it was on there. And i want to say bambi meets. Godzilla is also on there too. But classic cases of the nerd kind to me is just one of those pitch perfect parody films. I don't know susan what you thought about it. But for me i just i love. It could have been. Because i grew up with it. Yeah i hadn't seen it till the till just researching this show so i did. I hadn't so i'm a little. It's a little past. It's you know hasn't aged perfectly well compared to some of the other party but it's it's funny it's goofy. It's a pie in the face. That kind of pie in the face literal. Npr evolve in. Excuse me. I was a scientist before i became a doctor. I know what number is well. What is it. it's tie a. yeah. I love it. 'cause it's all done for folks that haven't seen it's all dinas trailer so you get this guy who sounds very much like hans. Conrad doing this voice over the very extreme voice over like coming to a theater new kind of thing and they talk about what roy dreary instead of roy neary and he works at this power plant and he goes out and he gets this encounter because this thing pulls up behind him and it failure or on a motorcycle saying you're blocking the road and he keeps this thing like this means something like whenever something happens like the alien ship and miss means something and then i love the Talking mail boxes that are just like start singing. The song go to build a mountain in your living room do amount and it means something all post sync goofy ass voices. I love the cloud that he sees on. Tv and is all obsessed with the cream pies. And that's roy's obsession. He keeps smacking him himself in the face with cream pie kidnapped by creatures from another galaxy. Hurry to the several country pies store. Nearest you offer closes at midnight. So hurry i had my granddaughter's over a couple of weeks ago and i first off. I never knew that there's a paddington television. Show like with. Ben wishaw doing the voice of paddington on this tv show. It's an animated tv show. It's really good tv show and it was nice to hear him doing that. Voice they find this old radio and the radio is getting weird signals coming through it and so they start to convince themselves that it's an alien talking to them through this. It's like paddington in the two kids cut to them having dinner in there in front of paddington. There's this mashed potatoes all formed like devils tower. And i'm i'm cracking up. And of course you know the the seven year old the two year old. I have no idea why i'm laughing. So our and of course we can't forget the parody that popped up in. Uhf overactive imagination of yours to work for you instead of against you. Maybe you what are you doing. This means something this is important. I mean it took over everything. I remembered the bill. Murray thing but i didn't know which episode of thank you for looking that up. Yeah i remember him doing star wars. And i didn't mention he did the theme from scattered. So it's like. I don't remember that but i dug it up. And it's of course the episode that richard dreyfuss hosted third season three. And yeah he does. He does The lounge singer you know that he does. He does the theme from close encounters. It's so great. Hey paul. Shane composed of using plus. Yes i did. It goes into like Man owns her own. Apparently they also had a sketch back then with the nerds was bill and gilda which is my favorite thing on all of us and and they did a prom episode for them and promised called of the prom kind so they i mean it was so in the air. I mean you just look. There's i found a list of references to this and you know. Every sitcom around that time had listen cutters. The worst kind on. Alice plus the couches fishy kind on fish. Close encounters of the car valley clyde on. Welcome back. kotter. 'cause encounters of the scooby kind on scooby doo. Everybody had it like everybody. Denson didn't the muppets didn't they. Gummy bears ventures. Gummy bears had plus the gummy kind. So i could go on and on. There's so many more but it was just absolutely took over everything because it was so signature. You know the potatoes. The name of the film which again is is such an interesting name for a film. Which is why i think people. It'd that name so much because it's an odd name for film. They almost didn't let him use that brace because it just was such an odd. It was so confusing it. It didn't really convey the idea of the ufo because most people didn't even know what that meant you know so it's very interesting again. Not insulting the intelligence of the audience. I think that paid off one. It was a great marketing tool as well. Because i remember them. So i like the first kind and like telling you what that was and stepping you through that and then just like and this is the third kind. It's it's kind of like that moment in Twister when it's like well what about a category five and everybody just gets super quiet. Yeah i'm looking at this list of all of the references to close encounters not just the the titles but also just like here's one johann creates an ice cream version of devils tower. Now it's just like so many things and yeah it's just amazing that still i mean this pattern show is current and so they're still people are still making references to fantastic i. I read on twitter jokingly doing a recording podcast recording of having. It won't say what the movie is. But i will have mashed potatoes at the ready and everybody immediately knew what i was talking about. You know mashed potatoes and close encounters. It's like they're paired together forever. You know it's sort of funny. I never watched any of the the porn parodies. Unfortunately i've never seen those. I well It's fascinating to me because the culture it's part it's it's a projection booth feature feature. I know. I know you didn't send us any. Yeah i missed that. I know seventies porn from you. I know i know i'm sorry. I know that in superwoman which was renamed as ms marvelous. I wanna say because superwoman. They sued Dc sued them. But i remember mike Horner boy that was a close encounter. I think he says so other. That just reminds me another reference to it would have been aliens. I like to keep his handy for close encounters caddyshack too. I think chevy chase's the or something like that. Something was like one of the first things. I learned how to play on the piano. Was that dead at it. Yeah i actually accidentally did the themes on just now. It's there i did that. They're both as iconic as do. I'm sure we'll probably get like a at least. At least two people are going to tweet at us after this and tell us like. Oh well what about this. What about this. Because it's just it's everywhere and that's all we can say it's just like it's been around for over forty years and it has been such a cultural phenomenon for all that time though. I don't know how many people today are familiar with that film i was talking about. When was at worker. There was like oh. I'm gonna do a podcast on coast encounters since like all. The young people looked at me. Like i had three heads so i was like really close encounters. But all right not like you said. It's not really a movie for young people as kids you you can get drawn into it. But it's not one that you appreciate. I think until you get older. And even though they may not be familiar with it. I still believe in the staying power of this film that you can come to. Its at any time as as an adult on down the line and still kind of get wrapped up into. Would lisa like to think so. I think we're lucky to be the age to have experienced that steph when it was so struck jaw-dropping and of course kids are spoiled now with cgi but you know even when they innovate with cgi. Now it's never that judge because you know they can do anything now you know and it just. I don't know it was such a leap. This movie the special effects and star wars and of course two thousand and one. That was a little before my time. But still even in the seventies two thousand one look just jaw dropping dropping like you just didn't you couldn't imagine how they did it you know and i'm kind of glad that i don't know if you can experience that now anywhere. It's almost unfortunate that it came out in seventy seven because i think it was overshadowed by star wars. I know it ended up making baku box office. It was what six months after star wars came out. But in those days movies played for a long damn time so i wouldn't be surprised if the special edition which came out and what eighty which. Unfortunately that's the you're the empire strikes back but you know it's like the movie probably had just stopped playing by the time. The special edition comes out. Yeah and just the fact that they were they did have that staying power that you know. They were willing to dig. Give you give him more money to do what he wants to do with it as long as you know they did. What's a he did. What columbia wanted to do and show the inside of the spaceship. No quid pro quo. All right guys. We're gonna take a break and play preview for next week. Show what if you own your own drive in an open air theatre outside of time and space. You could show anything you want. You could pair together any movies regardless of genre regardless of when they were made regardless of quality. If you own such a theater if you could do whatever you wanted. 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And it's been so much fun and it's terrifying on camera but it's also kind of different and Yeah so that's that's been. I just didn't animal crackers and our next episode is what we do in the shadows. So we're like all over the place time wise. And i hope everybody does check that out and al gore. What's the happy with you still continuing on with the talk without rhythm. Podcast my weekly movie discussion. Podcast as i sit on the last week The most recent episode was our double feature of afterlife films with nineteen ninety-one defending your life. And what dreams may come We put out. That episode turned into a pretty good conversation and Yeah right now. I'm just continuing on with more of my patriot. Picks and definitely taking a decided leash tone with the contents since the next episode is going to feature a cannibal holocaust. I have yet to see that. One i just have kind of avoided a out after all these years. I will say definitively. 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The 8th Annual Tupperware Awards Show The Tuppies

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The 8th Annual Tupperware Awards Show The Tuppies

"Happy new year leftover army. It is twenty twenty one and you know what that means. It's that's happy's this is the eighth annual tupperware award show or we're going to be giving out our best for the year of twenty twenty two year and yeah what a year. It was almost didn't do it this year. And we get into that a little bit. The but yeah. We are going to be going over our favorites from twenty twenty. We've got guests. Can we had fine inherit is on the eighth annual tupperware episode. Three hundred sixty two ready legs. Seven million podcasts out. Happy shooting brad by the left overs scraps by a trap. We love it author spill. Carryover helps your called ready. Been over hello and welcome to the eighth annual tubbies tupperware's award show where we hand out fake awards for our favorites of twenty twenty. You you sound fucking excited as fuck jay. Oh my god it's like. I just had like thirty pixie sticks or something. Yeah i'm brian. I'm jay moore leftovers leftovers. We twenty twenty. What a year Oh maybe the best man. It's terrible terrible year terribly. I didn't even know if we're going to be doing the temporary tupperware award show this year. Yeah there was a moment where like what the fuck areva gonna do for this shit. We're gonna keep it loose. We're going to try to keep it fun but it's going to be very loose this year because this was not a normal typical year but we are here to tell everyone our favorites from twenty twenty. And we're not alone. We're joined third year in a row. I think rebecca daily a leftover army from picard cast. Welcome thank you for having me. Thank you for having me for the east. Yeah are yes. Super excited for this edition. Oh boy carried suck about all this stuff. I didn't get watching the theater. This year added say installments. Yeah i know i know. It's so hard to get excited about it. I think in previous years. I've been like oh man. I can't wait to talk about all the great stuff and then not that there wasn't great stuff that came out in twenty twenty. Obviously this talk about but You know twenty twenty was the shit year for us so yeah hard to get. That excited man wouldn't have been wild if like all the correspondents from the show. Twenty twenty died in twenty twenty. Oh my god. Barbara walters is hugh downs still alive. Oh god i don't even know. I'm guessing no not i'm i'm i bet he's he's alive. I bet you hugh downs still alive. We don't even know no he. He died twentieth year. Let the slack. Oh my god. That's how my god. Oh wow hugh downs died. When did he die july first. Oh my god. I didn't know that wrestling piece. Hugh i used to love. Twenty twenty when. I was a kid john. John also weird last name right john. Dos feels like strouss. Oh like something you'd ordering a bakery. Yes i'll have an apple docile please. It sounds like it sounds it. Sounds like somebody in the dinosaur community trying to be cool talking about a stegosaurus fossil. Starfish astle us man. I pulled joke out of thin air. Everyone now is yeah. Yeah that's best joke at twenty twenty org goes goes to me there. Sorry sorry chapelle. Unsquashed your year here buddy. Maybe next man. Yeah twenty twenty. Hey so yeah this year's odd because usually we do comic books. And i'll be honest with you. I didn't conflicts like even our show number one been on a super hiatus books. I think paul. You're the only one that said that you read any comic books recently. So i did and thank you for having me on. I'm so excited to take on the. Yeah did we not introduce you. It's twenty twenty. It's paul from from the animated back cast and movies from the heart. Paul woo. I just got done doing cartwheel jazz. It's your first year on and it's and we had you come on for for the biggest thing for the biggest and best year ever seems seems appropriate. Yeah yeah paul. Do you have a comic book artist of the year. Yeah i i'm gonna play. He's bumper bumperstickers. Comic book artist of year is time to get time to get your crayons so paid is over aid. Time to watch the cosby. Do you stay. Elliot's in the bill cosby bumper. They're still using the picture page one. Yeah yeah not gonna waiver on that mackinaw waiver on that and it's super super inappropriate isn't it anyway Widey to actually. Yeah paul mccartney. Actually it's comic book artists of the morning since you read these comics literally this morning. That is correct. It is more for once and future from boom studios. Dan maura from what's this. What's this book about. It's it's pretty sweet. It takes place in present time. And there's like this really kinda snippy old lady. That has a grandson. That's an archaeologist. And she finds out that like discovered or whatever the sheath that excalibur goes into has been unearthed so all these like monsters and legends from king arthur's. Simar coming into our present thing in this up to this really old lady and her grandson to save the universe old. You don't see that in all of our heroes are usually like you know young people peop- you never really see like your hero. Be like an old lady. Yeah and it's fucking great because one of the first introduction is she's pretty much kidnapping her grandson and she pulls a gun on him and he's like grandma you're not going to shoot me and she she shoots his ear lobe right off. It's pretty fucking fantastic. It's amazing what what if aunt may got bit by the spider when she would've died six times. What what well. What if dead oncle band got spider edge. After he died or before he was like okay he dies. He gets bitten by the spider. And then maybe like some web shoot out of his arm and like that's it long. He's like he's like a dead party. Popper bed after he dies laid eggs in band and then like a spider person like emerged from his chest. Like a like chess per style. Oh my god. I think you just wrote the sequel for junior and i don't want to piss off all the comic book geeks i do realize that in the comics they were not organic web shooters. Okay settled down. Slow your roll junior. Who email i i. Honestly i know i would have gotten an email. I don't think that this will be the last time that junior is brought up on this podcast. I think it'll probably no. It's not gonna show up anywhere else in the podcasts. Right paul comic book writer of the year here. We go bumper for that one comic writer of the year. All right paul. Who is the writer this morning. That just blew me away this morning. Well i actually have a runner. Wow runner up for for this mornings in the bathroom. Totally i got scott snyder and charles soul for the undiscovered country that is. That's by image. And i'm one of the biggest guy. Snyder fan boys i know. That's a shocker tribeca but this one They have to break into a quarantined america. So yeah that's that's a brand new concept to all of us but my winner. My winner is jane's tinian the fourth for something as killing the children. It's very very uplifting book. Sounds like it. what's killing them. Spoil it There is like these monsters that live in the woods that are just killing random kids and they bring in this like imo monster to come in and save the day and it's actually pretty cool. It's a lotta fun. I got put onto that by stephen fire sh and he really helped me out with these categories today so i appreciate him the fuck i should have had him on his show source other people that you are homework. Yeah like i said. Hey what's good. That's the delhi. You're delegating your fucking duties. Have you have you heard about the new book. Coming out from scott snyder. Paul knocked tara. Oh yeah and knock out in march. It looks fucking good. Tony s daniels. Doing the art. It was was. It was scott snyder's first kickstarter and i think this comes out in march. It's it's going to be published through image comics though now so it got picked up by image and the checkout knock. Tear it looks. It's coming out march third. It looks bucket. I am going to be jumping on for this. I am definitely got. I'm actually since the top came up this year. I was like oh my god. I'm embarrassed i didn't read hardly any comics and honestly it was one of those things with finances. You don't know what they're going to be in a year where we're going through a pandemic so i couldn't have like a big police and so i actually dropped by police this year. I only bought a few comics this year and so next year. I'm hoping this year now. I'm hoping to get a new poll list and knocked. Tear is definitely going to be on. It looks really fucking god. I'm really excited for scott snyder to kind of be going away from all the batman stuff and kind of going back to like you know what he's doing really good like his own is on stories because i'll look a lot of fans. Were maybe getting scott snyder fatigue with everything he was doing so i think this undiscovered country was a great little. You know little ego boost at like. Hey i'm still able to write really awesome. Amazing original stories. That aren't tied. Into you. know franchise. Properties does great horror comics vampire and i know colin bond a huge fan american vampire. He's like colin buns greater the worst up. And it's nice to get scott snyder back to in the horror stuff which is really cool so i was actually following that project on the charles soul side. Because i'm a big fan. And they knew he had this project coming out with scott snyder and then i kind of forgot about it because a lot of other should have in my life but i'm glad that she reminded me about this. This project paul. Because i was interested to read it. And the fact that you you bring it up here. I definitely want to find it and start reading it myself because i i'm a fan. Of course. I'm scott snyder. But i'm also huge fan of charles work and the put them together is just as i found that on my own with no help from steve. So that's a win for me. I'm a big boy now. Doesn't really count. If it's scott snyder book don't fall. That's true god. Damn jake actor. You got an ongoing comic paul. Yeah i actually have a couple. Let me play the bumper here ongoing comic right. Paul what do you got going. I are up is the last ronin in the ninja turtles. Comic by tom waltz. Eastman layered that one. That one is one. I was really excited for it. Because they were hyping that up like pretty much all year with the big selling point being the mystery of splinter and the turtles die in the future. only one is left and that ninja turtle is now haunted by three ghosts of his fall umbrellas and he becomes a very hard edge. Like it's almost like an old man. Logan type of thing and just to reveal who it was was well worth the wait and the way they pulled it off of like who the bad guy is and you know like some ties to like cor chills characters. It was a lot of fun. This is giving me an idea. Paul for a book called the last golden. And it's about. Roy rose from the golden girls and she's the last golden girl all the other ones who are now dead and we find out that they've been slain by al o. Jesus yeah yeah like. by vicki. The small child robot from small wonder. I assume she's finally gone rogue you've basically just spoiled arc to anyway. Thank you rebecca. Just rebecca with spoilers. Last year she gives away the fuck villain of knives out and this year she gives away. My whole fucking kodaly did last year. I paid the price for that knives out. Read a few tweets responses about that. Wow the movie just came out in november two months later this. I don't even think it's out the fucking rent at that point. You know what i mean. You god damn right. Chris evans in that sweater. He's so bad it was. I was what could i say by chris and the sweater. I mean my only human do you think. He has a matching sweater for his monster. Dick one hundred percent yes absolutely. He dresses that thing up. Just a giant fucking war mitten dick evans. Anyway i was. Yeah i was thinking of porn names for different like stars in avengers movies. Not like they're not like they're not like not like a porn name for like scarlet witch or vision or iron man but like their actual names like as actors. Tell me tell me what you think of these poor named robert downey junior is robert downey junior very plus chris evans of course was dick evans but moving on and mark ruffalo is mark muffed movement. I might have to do some more with that. I got i got. I got to think of some other names. Paul bettencourt is paul. Getting me mark ruffalo. You got there yet. I said mark ruffalo dire. What happened your memory with the jesus christ to talk about the golden girls earlier. Forget and shit the golden girls. When you get older you start to forget shit. And that didn't work anyway. What are we doing here. What else you got paul ongoing comic and then because i actually read all fourteen issues this morning is at once and for what about the king. arthur That one was a lot of fun. So that is my. That is my comic of the year. The once and future by karen. Gillan dan maura and tomorrow on villain we just comic book aficionados all pulse best ongoing comics are also limited series. So yeah i think he. I think you've misunderstood ongoing. Comic means going is going to keep going like that one is definitely. They had no plans to stop that one but dealer one zero last ronin. I think is done after five issues. Who's got anybody got. Anybody got a video game of the year. I do all right here. We go video game of the year to video land know where all right so which nintendo game when it for this year jay or was it wasn't wasn't a hand held like iphone game. No it wasn't intendo game. It was it was easy for me. It was mario three d all-stars. It was the compilation of the three. Three d mario games from previous systems. I've been waiting twenty plus years to be able to play. Mario sixty four again on a modern system without cooking. Neil in sixty four up so yeah this is easily might be your game of the year. Very cool yeah. I haven't played any of those. Jesus i haven't played what's last video game. I fuck a play. I think it was at spiderman game. You played that. That's pretty new. That's like a year two years older three years old right wasn't like it's gone. Yeah yeah this fucking last decade all right toy the year toy of the year those wonderful. Who's got a toy. He's got a toy the year everybody scott one rebecca. What you toy. Well i'm counting this toy because it was game. Stop exclusive so take that as you will if you don't think it counts too bad that's what i got it. This was the wonder woman nineteen eighty-four official merchandise jewellery set. It came with the bracelets came with an armband that has the ww on it and a tr as well. It is absolutely beautiful. I mean it's polished and it's super shiny. The bracelets have like a leather strap. That's adjustable the tr is adjustable is an and it's it was a limited production so like when you get it comes with a certificate of authenticity as well as what number and the production it was. I got that as a birthday gift in two thousand twenty and it's absolutely gorgeous I would totally wear it to 'cause play. So yeah that is. That's my choice year. Paul are you wearing it right now. Yes i am i work. He brings out my eyes anxious to try it on. And i don't know how condition back and paul gives it. Paul gives it his ongoing toy of the year award because because he can't stop wearing it man. It's like yeah this can't sometimes you can't what do you got there paw. I have the the entire first. Wave of the legal. Mario set or of the of the that whole line every expansion that they brought out. I think what they did being able to combine the interactive -ness of the leg of the intendo game. Mario where they give you an oversized figure with the led. And you connected to your phone and that max out the little courses you can make on your own and it's just it's given my kids like got him off the tv guide them off of of the intendo and they'd just come over and they play and we build together. I think it was just a great way to really get kids off of the nintendo and have fun making their own little. Lego mario projects really cool. That's awesome. You're spending time with your kids. Yeah fucking trick me. Yeah got fucking lego man. I'm like i get it man. I get the i get why people love it. I do get it now. But jesus christ it's so expensive it's like you have to like you can't just go to the store. Because he got like twelve different sets. You know like you have to buy the very first one which is like sixty bucks because you. That's the only way you can actually get the bluetooth. Mario and then you can add on balls castle. Four hundred bucks good. You know like his firepower suit for an extra ten dollars. Check out a walmart but yeah they really but it's it's a lot of fun knock on to waste. You know you can connect them to each other. You can make bowels castle connected to like booze mansion. It's just a lot of fun. Really cool money sucker the year. But it's fun that's good. Yeah i know. I am drugs. Go i love. I love the personal touch there. I mean you get your kids who love in it. That's very cool. It's a great toy. I'll go next spray. Got something really cool and honestly it's not even my toy of the year it's like i. It's my first hot toy. That i finally got the stark nanno gauntlet fucking awesome. Like oh god. I'll be honest with you for as much money as you spend on that fucking thing. I wasn't blown away. I don't really. I don't know it. Let's vine it feels cheap. In my opinion. I've heard other people say that about hot toys when they get their first one that they're a little bit underwhelmed by the quality i was underwhelmed you plug it in you know and it's like it glows and shit and you can have the stones like glow at different times and pulse eight and this shit and i guess i don't know i don't know why fucking god it now so i know i know i know my toy of the year is money sack that i don't know it's whatever i know. I know people love these toys man. I don't know it's all right. I don't think it was worth what they charge for it. I think it should have been half half the price of when he got jake. My tour of the year this year is the one of a kind exclusive clone trooper helmet that eric memorable made for me so i couldn't think of anything that i got this year. That topped that when it comes to collectibles and toys It's sitting on my shelf right now. I put it on my head at least once or twice a week. So yeah fucking bad asked. I'm sorry that none of you can have one i got. I got the mandalorian helmet that he sent me. It's fucking awesome. So i'll that's my toy of the year i guess. Honestly it's way better than that fucking nanno gauntlet. Oh i believe it. It's so fucking cool. You wouldn't think you could see out of it as well. Yeah but you could see out of it fucking perfectly and i'm curious if i can use it as like my face mask when i go to the grocery store and stuff. I don't know if that would be frowned upon her. I know that there's a guy here in town fucking dresses up like darth vader and goes around. Yeah actually give it a whirl. Yeah you should try it all right. Let's move on into best animated television show. A year animated show of the year glue. Only all right. What we'll do is we'll go through and we'll give our honorable mentions and our runners up and then we'll pass it off and then we'll all give our tops then. We'll like handed off and give our top animated. Show the year paul. What do you got honorable mention honorable. Mentions i got midnight gospel. Bob's burgers and solar opposites. And then i got the three runner ups. You want me to do those right now. Oh god let's talk about fucking solar opposites was fantastic. It was so funny. Man i love. I love tom. I love thomas mill ditch and had the kid from the goldbergs. Whatever his name is this is i. Put this one off because it just looks so. I don't know it looked to sillier. Just kinda i dunno but just watching it and seeing their whole little wall and just the little jokes like the first episode. They're trying to be like frazier. And the guys were a dick wolf shirt the entire time this one. I'm kinda sad. I sat on it too long. Oh yeah. And it's from the rick. And morty people i love it i love that solar opposites was fantastic and i love them gops gospel. To what the yeah. That was fantastic. Yeah that one. You know like that one. It's an honorable mention. Just because i felt like i couldn't like either. I could only just really focus on the animation which was fantastic. And then i kinda of had to go back and listen to everything that was being said like i was getting a little too distracted by one or the other. It's wild because it's taken from podcast all the audio taken from a podcast and then they turn it into this animated show and it was just like my favorite episode. Was the one where he's talking to his mother who had passed and yes that one was just like. That was one that. I had to watch twice because it was incredible. Then i got what a great pick. Paul thank you. Yeah yeah then i do. Got the runner up to me to do those or are we waiting. No go ahead. Give me the runners-up so my third runner up. Hoops with jake johnson which got cancelled thanking that flex. Yes yes spoiler for one of the year. My second is a really great. It is a kids show but it's really great for the family is called ky-ko the age of the wonder bee's stars. I'm gonna fuck up her name. She plays the female in the boys. Karen fukuhara like it is a post apocalyptic Tv show where two young girls are just trying to find their place and realize that there are a lot stronger than everybody gives them credit for. And it's just. It's just been a blast. The animation is just fucking just fucking amazing. And my first runner-up is harley quinn. Yes season to harley quinn everything. They're doing. I feel like it shouldn't work but it just does like just everything. I mean her little side cast of characters and the way they interact with joker and to face. It's just a it's just been such a fun ride and everybody was worried about kaley cuoco ban harley and i think she does a great job i think he's had a great year. I mean post big. Bang theory you know like fucking the flight attendant. Everybody seems to like that. I've watched the first episode. I'm gonna get back on it. Because all i hear about is how amazing the flight attendant is on. Hbo max and so yes. You had a great year. She had a really good fucking year. And i love her as harley quinn for her because she's not trying to do like like a person of all the harley quinn's we've had like she's really kind of making it her own. What's really working for her. Yeah no those are great great choices. What do you have. Becca two honorable mentions like paul. I will also honorably mentioned bob's burgers That's an ongoing show. but i love bob's burgers. I don't know. I feel like every season. It just stays so funny and and they're just to. The writing is consistently really good also honorable mention transformers war for cyber tron. I really did enjoy that on netflix. As well being a big transformers fans especially the g one. And then i do. I do have to runners up and a one so my first My second runner-up is going to be a beau jack horsemen season. Six part to which season six part one released in two thousand nine hundred nine released in twenty twenty but boj horsemen was. Just one of those shows that always dealt with depression and addiction and being fucked up but still trying to figure out your life in a way that like no other show i've ever seen as john and it's animated. It's fucking talking horse. Who talks to cats and has a friendly named mr peanut. Butter are like it's green concept fucking little jack lemmon and my other. Runner-up is also harley quinn season two. i'll just build on what policy said. I think it's such a great show. The animation is great. I will forever give them credit for bringing kite king as acreage shirts. That like i think the voice acting is so good on that. And i love how it's just so self aware in. It's almost dead polish in that way thoroughly enjoyed that. And then i've i've got a number one which will save all right. Jake what are you got. I've just got two runner ups and a winner. My second runner-up is duncanville. Which is one of the new fox. Animated shows created by. Amy poehler and mike scully. Alison liked it a lot. It has been renewed for a second season. I know it's been a long time since the season. One finale happened but a second season is happening in the late. Twenty twenty one season so it's not one of those things where you shouldn't watch it 'cause they're just never gonna do anymore again you know. It's one of these family. Animated show has since king of the hill have hulu. It's all on hulu to correct correct and then my other runner-up is lower deck's which is the cbs. All access animated star trek show from the creators of rick. And morty. this is the best thing i've seen in years. I just absolutely love it really far out there. Sometimes high science fiction plots sometimes. Just silly someone's getting kicked in the balls humor it can kinda run the gamut of Just different kinds of comedy to try to show very experimental really intimation style and but yet still feels very star trek at its core. Love the show up so happy. You said that. I'm so excited that you love that. Show lower deck's great that's awesome. I have got three honorable. Mentions transformers war for cyber train. We already talked about a little bit. I loved it. I thought i've just seen part one. I haven't watched the second part which i think is. What does it earthrights. I haven't watched that yet. Harley quinn season two is an honorable mention for me. I loved harley quinn season. One and i still continue to love harley quinn season. Two and the other honorable mention that i have is jake johnson in hoops cancelled by netflix. So lucky net flex and bosses bastards. I've got two runners up number. Three is actually a show that they haven't even completed the first season. But i have been loving it so much jujitsu caisson which is the. It's basically it's an anime. And you've got high school yuji who becomes a jujitsu sorcerer and he swallows the and like a like a monster's demon finger and it gives them the power of this demon when he chooses to let the demon take over but if every time he lets the demon take over the demon gains a little bit more power over him and taking control of over him. So it's a constant battle of when he's going to choose to let the demon fight his battles for him or if he's going to fight the battle himself and i've been loving digits guys and they introduced a anthropomorphic. Fucking panda. that is that is hilarious. There's a character named salmon roe who only speaks the he's kind of like an a group character or a group says i am group salmon. Roe only gives when he talks. He only gives you the ingredients to a tuna roll. like he'll come into a fight and yell benito flakes or more to now. It's very very funny. Sometimes but and i love the action this my other runner up is gripe near which is another anime. I love this first season. The polite mir it was so god people have been turning into into monsters and our main character. Shuichi becomes this. It's like a it's like a mascot suit of a of like a panda or a bear or something and come to find out that he can have people go into the suit and then they can take over and uses powers and glide mir was just fantastic. I absolutely loved the show. It is so good. And they're on a quest to pick up the like all these coins to whoever gets one hundred coins can can up there up there groups game so i'm loving it. I'm absolutely loving light near so paul. What's your number one. My number one is the second part of the final season of jack horsemen and. I don't think there's much more. I can say other than what rebecca said which was perfect but i mean it was just you know the first five seasons we just seen beau jack or even the first six up until the first part. We've just seen him. Just be pretty much a piece of shit and just treat everyone around him as just an object. The the second half of the final season is just like the consequences and rebekah will testify. It really comes down around him without giving too much away. But i mean there's nothing redeeming about him and its first show that stars talking horse with with mr peanut butter and fucking the guy from breaking bad. Aaron paul as a stoner. It shouldn't work and it. Just it makes you question the stuff you do. You kind of like you do a deep dive on like the kind of person you are in the fact that an animated talking horse was getting that reaction just makes it my winner of the year paul. You're gonna hate me. I haven't i haven't finished. It got so much to dude. I'm not in the head. Space to watch fucking. Oh no you have to be in the right mental state to watch that show. Yeah you really do. Need a serapis on standby for when you get done. It's just it's yeah flood but yeah like and it was cool because they really bring back a lot of characters from the early episodes early seasons like everyone kind of comes back for the shit storm. That's going on in his life. And it's just it's very. I think rebecca will agree like it's very satisfying but yet it's also kinda sad like crazy. No you're absolutely right. It is very satisfying. It's a satisfying end to the show. But i think i cried more in that in that part in that season six park to you. The night may have cried in a lot of other parts of that show and they've had some really like difficult episodes like the episode. Where bo jack's mother dies and gives like this. The whole episode was him giving a eulogy. And you know the big joke is like at the end of the episode. He's at the wrong funeral. And he's like. Oh sorry everybody. And he like leaves so but like everything that he says all the flashbacks. You watch are so emotional. Like i turned that episode off and like lay down for half an hour like just think about stuff like it was just it was so deep and moving and that season six part two i. Yeah you have to kind of be in the right head space for that. It's it's a show you have to be prepared to watch because it's deep it hits you in in like really deep places fucking will learn that. I love it when they god to really chew. I'm i'm a. I'm still upset that netflix canceled. I don't know if you guys watch series flaked on netflix. it went for two seasons. It's also heather of grams in that now. I never watched that it went. Two seasons. Flake is a rich guy. No no i don't think he was. No he was not rich. Watch flaked it's hard to say that they cancelled it after two seasons but it was still fantastic. Really good shit but a rebecca. What's your best animated tv. Show the year minus star trek lower. Deck's i had to pick it for my number one. Show ya. It's always scary. When your franchise kind of goes in a different direction and you're not quite sure you're not you don't know what's going to happen and this absolutely could have failed and i'm sure and not that i'm sure i know that there are star trek fans out there that do not like the show and they don't care for it or that's completely fine but for me to watch my franchise. I love so much. Go in this really different direction and just really poke fun at itself and bring namedrop tons of stuff from the original series and the animated series as being completely cannon is just so much fun the characters are well written but can be silly and then it's great to have like you know. We had some really great guest stars in this first season. John's lance came back to voice. Cue we jonathan frakes and marina serta's who came to voice reicher and troy. It's got some familiar aspects to it and it's kind of fun to see like a ship. That's not the enterprise just out doing bullshit missions that no one else wants to do and that was kind of the whole premise of that lower. Deck's that this show is based on. So yeah i love it. It's from rick. And morty people so like if you like ric morning this might be right up your alley. But yeah i absolutely love star trek. I think it's got enough for like fans of star trek and then also the people that aren't star trek fans. Maybe kind of be like their gateway drug into becoming such cnet's. I think we'd be remiss. If we didn't mention the smorgasbord. Podcast hosted. By stephen far should fall under. They started out to review that show and now they're doing tons of other star trek content. So yeah you should. They're great neil and stephen. They're absolutely great guys. Checkouts mortgage borg borg at b. o. r. g. as in the jake. What's your number one. My number one. For two thousand twenty is e. Hulu animated reboot series. I absolutely love this. I don't think there's anything that came out this year that i binged faster than this series on just that first episode in seeing jakko wacko dot return to the voters lot and just how met it was and how self-referential was to all the previous adventures. I absolutely loved it. I'm definitely sounded a little bit older especially when they're singing songs but it's not too crippling noticeable when watching and enjoying the series. Yeah can't wait. i'm excited. They're doing another dozen episodes of this. And i'll probably bench those just as fast. Yeah very cool. I'm glad mini expands. Got something finally i mean. When did that's when did that show end. I want to say six. I guess. I thought ninety eight but i didn't watch it when it was on so i tried that first episode but like zero nostalgia for me but like you know because i watched one episode while it was on and i watched it. I was like this is super funny. It was it was very funny. I was very kind of like like. I can't believe what they're doing on this kid show. It's actually it's actually pretty funny. Yeah it was kind of ahead of its time. It was always that show that had jokes for the parents as well. That would just go completely over the kids heads. Yeah yeah it's really cool. And at first i was really upset that they didn't include all auxiliary characters like the good feathers all the different characters in the original. But then there's an episode that actually addresses what happened to all of those characters. That's one of the best episodes of the series so it really pays off. They're missing. it doesn't go unnoticed by the writers. Yeah yeah that's one. That's one of those things that i just kind of like missed the boat on i. I wasn't watching cartoons back when that came out. And i happened to catch one episode and i talked about it before. It's the episode with roger ebert and and there's a point in it where like there's butter on his popcorn and they. They had plug something into his stomach. That was pulling the lard out of his stomach. And i am. I remember that bit. Talking died i was like i cannot believe this show is doing this and i think it was roger ebert. That did the voice to the character. And i'm like a good sport with that kind of stuff. I couldn't believe that he was a part of it. And i was like. This is a really funny episode. And i was like. It's just nothing that i ever jumped on. But i can understand the love for it. My number one. This was the easiest choice for me this year. Another anime tower of god and this was a crunchy roll original. And this is the man has been going on for years. They have tons of source material. And i watched the first episode of this before the public. Ever got to see it. I got to see it at the c. To eat crunchy roll panel and that first episode was incredible. I think you have to at least watch the first two episodes really kind of get into this. But you've got a character here who is trying to reach the top of the tower and if you reach the top of the tower you can become a god but his whole reason for doing. This is not to become a guide. It's to be reunited with basically the girl that he loves this girl. Rachel and there's twists and turns and she fucking treats him shitty in this fucking anime. She's almost like forrest. Gump's love interest in the forest. Gump movies how bad she treats sometimes but i've fuckin- i jenny is fucking loved. Tower of god is phenomenal. so it's a country role original and hopefully with crunchy roll being bought by did sony by funda mation owned by sony. Yes on a mission so yeah. Hopefully this won't change anything for these country role originals. Because i've really enjoyed them the this year so but tower of god is my number one Let's move on in shoe animated movie of the year. The ever made it movie of the year. Drank thing trae don't do i. Do i do back. Pain do ooh. And fifty and beyond we in their sherman point to sydney yup. We're gonna just swim straight just right animated movie of the year. Pau any honorable mentions. Yeah i got two hundred and three runners up are mentioned. Says i got scuba. I thought that was a really fun. Little prequel to the story of scooby doo. I love mark wahlberg in it. And then i got soul as my last. I will mention for runners up. I have trolls to the world tour. Which was really fantastic. I had no expectations for that. And i just loved them jumping to the different. Jonah's of music. My second runner up is on word which was just a fun quest movie that pixar pixar just you know they had to out this year and both were just really great that my last runner up is a netflix original called over the moon. Which is if you're into the kind of older disney princess type of stories. It's really cool that way. But it's got a twist it all takes place in china and they purposely got an all asian cast. Do the voices and the animation is just out of this world. Where she's you know. She's flying a rocket to meet her fairy godmother and the and the aliens and the magical creatures that she encounters on her way is just a lot of fun. i know. hazel has had it on like ten times in as one of those that you kind of do not get sick of as an adult. Because it's got something for everyone. So yeah that's that's everything until my winter so very cool very cool. Yeah i remember that one over the moon we re did on the show it was. It was a good movie. I enjoyed it See here just got a runner up in a winner so my runner-up is going to be justice. League apocalypse war I really liked this film. And i that you know this reunites. The voice cast That's been doing all of these Dc you movies lately. So you've got road. Rosario dawson as wonder woman. You've got jerry o'connell superman adjacent tomorrow's batman I really like this. I thought you know all the movies have really connected. Well together i think and then this is. It was great to see like basically now the justice league dark come together to fight against apocalypse Yeah i. I really really enjoyed this movie. I feel like overall dc. Animated movies are highly enjoyable usually And this was definitely one that i very much enjoyed this year. So that's my only runner up. And i've got a number one later very cool. Yeah jake what he got. Have a runner up a winner. My runner up is wolf. Walker switches available on apple tv. Plus i believe it had a limited daft go run before becoming an apple tv plus exclusive. But yeah this this movie really. I had zero expectations and just kind of blown away. It's like a graphic novel. Come to life. It has very complex relationships between multiple characters in the movie. And i mean this movie was just a delight all right. Let's get into our number one's paul. What's your number. One animated booby of the year. Like number one ama the wolf walker. Jake set a perfectly this movie. I had never heard of it. We sat down and watched it. It's very it dives deep until the celtic lore and just kind of the situations that these characters find themselves in the animation is just absolutely amazing. I know it's only the third feature from cartoon saloon studios but you know sean being was voice in it and just at the end of the day. It's just a great tale about you. Know being there for the people you love in your family. And i just i was absolutely blown away by it. So wolf walkers on apple plus is my animated movie of the year very cool. I didn't even get into my fucking shit that i now. I'll give all mind when we do. I'll do it really quickly. i was ready to you. Guys this number one. What was your number one. Rebecca was an anime that i saw very early this year in the theater. It's called weathering with you. This was technically at one thousand nine hundred and released nationally. But we didn't get it here in the states till twenty twenty This is an anime. Where a high school boy. He runs away to tokyo. He makes friends with a girl who she has the ability to control the weather. And what's really interesting about. This film is that you know on the surface. It just seems like another one of these sort of lighthearted like in the style of studio ghibli movies where it's like. These kids are having an adventure but there is a deeper message underlying it and also the movie talks about the sacrifices that people make for their loved ones and for their families and sometimes even to their own detriment how they do things for others and it was a beautiful story and it was incredibly beautifully animated and voiced. I saw English dubbed so it had the voice talents of ras ahmed Allison brie Those are probably the biggest names in the movie If you like movies like your name or movies in that style weathering with you is a great choice. It's my number one movie of the year. It's the best animated thing. I saw very nice. Yeah jake for me. It was going to be wolf walker until i walked soul two days ago and now soul is my thousand and twenty animated movie of the year. yeah i was kinda gobsmacked by this movie i didn't know what to expect I just saw the trailer. I saw his trailer over a year ago. And i knew that the general premise but not much more than that and this is from the same writers that did inside out and you can kind of see what's going on there. It's kinda the same existential plot line where you're putting forum in physics to a lot of these ideas that don't really exist on a physical plane. a super amazing fantastic score from trent reznor and atticus ross here. I didn't know they had this kind of thing in them. A really blown away by the music. They made this film and yeah absolutely. Love this if you haven't seen this yet. I think it's definitely worth checking out. I wasn't the biggest fan of the other. Picks are offering this year. I don't dislike onward by any means. But i don't know it just didn't do much for me and so was happy to see pixar back the top of its format this one. I enjoyed onward quite a bit. I i liked it more than soul. But i didn't like sulfur for certain reasons we'll get into but i know that like it hit a lot of people like a lot of people love soul so that's a good pick pixar doesn't do a lot wrong. Pixar makes them great. Buchan animated movies now it seems like sequel server. They struggled with the most kind of stop after one move yet to get a better place largest never make cars. Cars was such a huge hit with young as he is such a huge hit with young boys. Young boys love card even cars. One is terrible. Though i fucking hated i fucking hated cars. One was awful. It's the whole larry. The cable guy factor of all. I know it's it's it's not a good movie honorable. Mentions for me al. I'll get. I'll get these out of the way superman man of tomorrow. This is the story of a young clark kent superman. It's got him taking on parasite in this one. Some great stuff with logo showing up in this one. I fucking absolutely loved logo in this. Darren criss was clark kent. Alexandra daddario is lois. Lane zachary quinto played lex luther. I love superman man of tomorrow. I thought it was a lot of fun. Superman red son. The dc animated movie where young cowbell lands on a farm in russia. Instead of you know the united states and becomes a weapon for the for the russian government based on a comic book. It was fantastic My last honorable mention is weathering with you. Rebecca already mentioned this one. I i really enjoyed this one. It's from the same studio that brought you your name and it was written and directed by makoto. Shinkaiye and i thought it was awesome. We got a boy who runs away from home and befriends this orphan girl. Who has the bill the ability to manipulate the weather. And i i loved it. I thought it was fantastic. Weathering with you is one of those movies. I think everybody should watch. I think i own it on blu ray. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure but if i don't i'm going to buy it i loved it my runners-up justice league dark apocalypse war rebecca. This fucking awesome this movie. It was so happy so fantastic. I loved it. I had so much fun with this. It was so much better than justice league. Dark it just. The first movie was absolutely terrible with batman. And then like i think like this is the fifteenth movie and it brought everything together and it was so much fucking i. I absolutely loved justice league dark apocalypse. War number two mortal kombat legends scorpions. Revenge oh my god rate pick fucking love this movie so much of my god is so much fun and the score that story. it's brutal it's gory. it's it's everything you want from mortal kombat. It's all the blood the fatalities i mean. It is so good. it's a story of scorpions. Family being murdered him coming for revenge and also they a really good way to blend in shang song and raden and the tournament. And you got joel. Mchale as johnny cage. Come on you cannot go wrong with mortal kombat legend scorpions revenge. This is one that i own on both digital and physical copy. I love this movie and my animated movie of the year. I saw this in theaters. It was released in theaters for a limited time. Wolf walkers it's shown up on everybody's list except for rebecca. Who have you seen it. Rebecca but jake messaged me like two weeks ago and he was like you have apple tv. You gotta watch wolf loggers. And i'm like oh god gal on it. I haven't watched it yet. But i will apps i have to a. You've all mentioned after watching dragging your feet over there. I know i'm a loser. What can i. I love it. I love to take that. They had on the whole like a whole different. Celtic tape gone on where wolves really in the magic. And some of the the art is rough. But it's doing it intentionally a spectacle to look at i loved wolf lockers. This was fantastic. I'm so glad that. I got a chance to see this in the theater. I think i got to see this in the theater a week before theaters closed here and yeah and that man. I would've loved to seeing this on the big screen. Daily was gorgeous. The sound was amazing and wolf walker is is is. I cannot wait to see future installments from cartoon saloon. I can't wait to go back and watch the two previous movies. I honestly i love cartoon saloon. I thought that they did a great job. Yes of wolf walkers my number one. Let's jump into our hero of the year. Yes hero of the year and must be stopped. No matter the cost june one shell stand one show fall. Lie for a we your life so recklessly. That's a question. You should ask yourself mega drawn right. Going to start with paul. Paul have any honorable. Mentions i do. I do have some the next couple of categories. I watch so much this year that there are so many awesome things to choose from. So i do have a good amount of viral mentions and then three runners up so i can just go super quick but I got giancarlo esposito. Our mentioned from unprecedent as the conspiracy theory driver with a heart of gold. Oh my god oh my god. In a year or giancarlo esposito plays the villain in the mandalorian and he also plays one of the villains in the boys. You find the one thing. He could be considered a hero in. That is fucking awesome fall. He was so great in that man. I he was. He was such a breath of fresh air. I got brennan frazier as robot man from doom patrol. The entire rose family from shits creek. God thank you. Yeah i just. I just got onto that last week. I did all six seasons and three days and it was just. My life is better for it if you go back and listen. I reviewed the first episode when it dropped on the pop network. Like that's how. I love shits creek like you know like and i've actually got screenshots of dan levy fucking shits creek tweets. So yet that's back when he was like fucking like they didn't know they didn't know if people were watching like i don't think they knew people were watching until the indices and five to be honest with you and it kinda like blew up in every season just got better it was just. It was such a fun thing to watch. A tunnel was already dolls irazari. Oh dawson huey jack. With from the boys. Luke skywalker Jenny jones from borek to pedro pascall. Commando one that. I really fall in love with. I got joe. Man- telo he played he was in a show called. Hollywood was by ryan. Murphy was kinda like a what if in the nineteen forties like if studios actually kind of pulled the trigger on. Cassie more people of color and more lgbtq actors and embrace stat and he was a big part of that and then my last one hundred mention has matt berry from what we do in the shadows. But as jackie daytona which is one of the greatest episodes of that entire show and runners up for third runner up. Is the disney investor meeting panel some my second runner-up dave baloney jon favreau and then My first runner-up is after forty years. We finally got to see boba. Fett kick some ass very not disappoint when he did it. Very cool yeah. awesome rebecca. What do you got a couple honorable. Mentions here i'll definitely a group agree with paul pedro. Pascal as as the mandalorian. I loved him as the hero of the mandalorian season two. And then i've got two honorable. Mentions here excuse me. I've got to runners up Number three going to be. Ted lasso Paul and brian. You already talked about that show. Paul was messaging me. I think at one point almost every day has said lasso. Have you finished head laszlo. Because he was so excited he wanted me to watch. I finally finished shed lasso and yes. He's a hero and so he's definitely my number three my number two. This might be controversial for some but this is really just my personal feelings. Gallardo as wonder woman. It's not the sequel. I hoped it would be but wonder woman is still a hero. And i think the gal did the best. She could do what she was given. And i think that wonder woman was heroic throughout the movie at every chance that she could be this. Probably some people who haven't seen it so i won't spoil this movie like i did previous episode but i i will just say that even even when she has to make hard choices in the film she's she's heroic and so she's my she's my number two and i also have a winner for all right. Jake yeah i just have a runner up a winner and my runner up is also wonder woman. I you know. Say what you will about that movie. I thought the character itself was very well represented. She really stepped into her role as being a hero for the people. And i thought better than a lot of dc movies. They've really showed her doing that. Thing you know actually saving people and helping situations out. And i thought the character characteristic very well represented in this movie since. This is the tupperware. I'm going to reserve judgment very of you if this was any other episode. I would have a laptop a lot to say. I'd have a lot to say back so. Don't worry that's fine. I'm prepared. i am prepared. I i would be fully prepared to combat but you have to say why are we holding back because it's the tupperware because it's supposed subject it's supposed to be it's supposed to be a celebration of what you love and it's not supposed to be people defending their choices right. Okay okay. I mean you know that's how i that's how that's how i like to this debate. Instead of people being afraid to give the choices and then people attacking people said choices. I think that's that's kind of the spirit of this award ceremony so i will reserve judgment a. Let's see here i have. I have some runners up. Excuse me some honorable mentions and then renders up and my honorable mentions adam brody. Is abe applebaum in the kid. Detective i mean you guys know that i love a good you know kind of like like an underachiever kind of like a comeback story. God adam brody able just. I don't know we'll get to it. Probably i might be talking about it later. The bill byrne bill burr. Bill burr migs mayfield in the mandalorian season two. I mean if if it was last year this guy came up as villain of the year and then going forward in the mandalorian. He might come back as a villain of the year but for this year. Bill burr as migs mayfield. Is a hero for me in mandalorian season two. I loved him carey mulligan as cassie in a movie that i just watched promising. Young woman has anybody who i wanted to watch that. I just i want to watch that movie just finished. It just finished it. I mean we're talking about. I love revenge stories. I love revenge stories. And i love the crow and this is yeah i if seen promising young woman you can one hundred percent compared this movie to the crow in certain ways and i loved. Her character is cassie in promising. Young woman and my last honorable mention is paul. You mentioned boba. Fett in the mandalorian season. Two this is another character. That could be like next next year we could be talking about. We can be talking about how bova fed's villain of the year but for this year but for this year and what we got in the mandalorian he is. He's a hero for me. To runners up runner up the mandalorian himself in jaren in the mandalorian season to love pedro pascal. Everything that he did in the season taking off the fucking house at spoilers for for mandalorian season to take it off the helmet and his love for that little fucking green baby. I love it. I love it number two number two one of the most uplifting shows twenty twenty that we needed this year Jason today kiss s. ted lasso. Is my runner up for the number one but man what what a what a fucking come out of nowhere story show. I loved ted last. So let's get into our number ones are hero of twenty twenty. Start off with you paul. Who's your hero. My heroes ted lasso. I don't think there's any more. I need to say that i haven't said unfazed smoker on this show. He was the guy that twenty twenty needed. And just someone you know. He was kind of like our present. Day mr rogers and it was just fun to see him. Make everyone around him. Their life a little bit better didn't get renewed for seasons two and three. Yep it got renew because they realize. I think it went like a six hundred percent jump of watching from when it first draft and the final episode. So yeah they renew it up to season. Three one of my favorite things that i did. This year was recorded a movies from the heart where we didn't talk about a movie but we talked about season. One of ted lasso fell. One time i was it was just an serious and it was of course. There was a lot of us gushing about the show. But like when you break down that show and you break down the characters and you break down the relationships you can speculate about you fall in love with these characters and you can speculate about the future of these characters the future of this show and that makes it a great show and i think i think like some of our fan theories like i loved your fan theories. We both had fan theories this is. This is one of those shows. Where like you watch a marvel movie. And you've looked for like all the things and like where's marvel go and face four where they're gonna go and face five. I'm telling you. Ted lasso you fall in love with these characters and you want to see different things happen to these characters upcoming season's you can speculate just as much as you can with any mcu movie when you watch. Ted lasso are of true fan of this show. It is that addictive and that fun and that well written doll a man enough said enough. Enough said yeah. I'm rebecca great hero of the year. So my hero. The year was from somebody way. Way at the beginning of twenty twenty. And i'm so glad that you reminded me that. This movie still counted for twenty twenty. It is from the movie. No one thousand nine hundred seventeen. It's the character lance corporal. Scofield as played by george mackay. I technically saw nine hundred seventeen in the year. Twenty nineteen th early release but it had a much wider release in twenty twenty and. I'm glad that we can continue the conversation about this movie. Because it's really one of the best movies i've seen in the last ten years. What they love about this character. Is i love his progression. You know when we first meet him in the movie. He's this very reluctant hero. He's been given a a a medal of valor. He traded away for a bottle of wine. Means nothing jam. And i feel comfortable spoiling this part of the movie because it's been out for way over a year but him and another character. Lieutenant blake or excuse me lance corporal. Blake are sent out on a mission. Blake dies like less than halfway into the mission and now scofield has to finish it by himself and watching him be so determined to finish this mission and watch all the different sides of his character really unfolded. He meets different challenges and meet from people in the movie. I mean really culminating in that scene. That was an all the trailers of him like running across the front with like explosions happening because he is just so fucking determined to deliver this message to me like sitting in the theater. I'm on the edge of my seat. And i could i just i wanted to see. I wanted him to succeed so badly and he is definitely my hero of the year and i hope that people still are would watch this movie and would still enjoy it and would still talk about what a great piece of cinema it is. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely fantastic choice. That's a great as a great choice for here of the year. That has really good. Jake yeah for me. It's the the lead of the mandalorian danger and himself. I mean just another outstanding year for this character. I think a lot of ways. He became more of a hero and season two then he. I don't even know if one hundred percent. He was a hero in season one. At least not to the extent that he became an season to Just continuing to be on the run so he can protect the child off stuff that comes with that and yeah i just heave his. You know it's the first live action star wars series. We've been waiting for this since we were child's most of us and this is a big main hero character leading the show. That does it justice. I couldn't have wanted for anything more. When i thought of a star wars tv series. Jaren didn't jaren fucking pager scou- a great choice mine is also from the mandalorian but it's luke skywalker in the mandalorian season. Two chapter. Sixteen the escape yeah. This was fucking jake. I know you're not the biggest fan of this. And that's why we got to celebrate these choices right right by. I applaud your choice. You fucking liar. You wanna go. Hey we can go fisticuffs fisticuffs right now. We can do this all right now. We can do. We can do this shit right now. On the top of my is luke skywalker. I mean this is like the. I mean out of nowhere. Luke skywalker just shows up and he's fucking crushing dark troopers. I mean he's fucking these using the lightsaber he's crushing. I'm like a tin can using the force this is this is. This is the scene that we needed at the end of two thousand twenty. It was and how many how many how many years you've got to be able to fuck and make luke skywalker you fucking hero. The year this year this year you can do it now. You can do it now. In twenty twenty. In my opinion. I think this is a worthy fucking choice and i will go fisticuffs with jake bare knuckle boxing in the backyard with you. If i sincerely. I'm glad you loved it i did. I did bad. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Luke skywalker in the mandalorian season. Two for me is the hero of the year showing up and then taking taking baby kroger absolutely loved it all right. Let's move on in to tell you one thing i did. I did love the memes. That were involved with luke skywalker returning leaving. Yeah what was your favorite. What was your favorite name. There's just so many good ones. I saw autographed tiktok to just lots of comments on bets reaction to see who is coming to save the day. Oh yeah. I love the. What was it the umbrella academy one. That was fantastic. Let's say you know. What rebecca what we're gonna do we're gonna take a quick break and come back and give give our villains of the year. I'm actually changing my award rebecca's now my hero of the year those of us. That don't need a break though. Rebecca villain of the year. All right. we'll be right back I found like morgan freeman. I bet most of you'll do some online shopping with amazon. It's just so easy. I myself locked in today to buy adult diapers no. I'm not embarrassed. I have zero. And i really don't give a fuck you. I'm i'm fat age. You'll get here to one day. I don't think that you won't you naive. Asked one day you too will be just like jamie. Lee curtis in shitting your body weight and dan yoga. And the next thing you know you'll be on amazon ordering adult diaper thing. Holy shit matt freckled face. Fucker was right anyway. The whole point of this is the tell you that pop culture leftovers does com has an amazon shopping late with that. Means when you click on the link from their website it helps the show. It doesn't charge you extra. I don you just shop. Like regularly would and amazon takes care of the rest. It's easy and convenient just likely diapers. I literally flew out this diaper while. Recording this hashtag. True all right. Hey we're back. What before. I jump into the villain of the year. I'm actually rebecca. Got your gift in the mail christmas. Okay good. I'm glad i made it to you. I got so. I'm gonna open it up right now. Oh hope hopefully it. Pounds merval toy of the year and will not. It's rap in star wars wrapping paper. I'm looking at a c. Three po and all the different. I'm looking at. Oh my gosh. Rtd two troopers and you would enjoy the wars wrapping. Enjoy the lovely. Open this up a fancy shit. This is awesome transformers shirt more than me. Ti this is classic. This is fucking class. Classic g one optimus prime battling it out with the class g one megatrend. This is fucking awesome. Thank you rebecca. And it's great. i. I love great t shirts. Oh i had no idea. Cool i just. I saw that and i said oh this is. This is a gift for brian. i got it for. Yeah thank you so much. Yeah so come. I'm glad you enjoy graduate. And i will be wearing that to the jim thank you. I love history. That's awesome bacchus fucking killing it. I got a cool batman apron from her in the mail that weeks ago batman apron. What'd you get. Jake amazing mandalorian shirt from rebecca. That just showed up the other day. So i love how you guys are giving adjectives to her gifts. Paul got what was an awesome awesome. Jake got an amazing. You guys are like that fucking that spider in charlotte charlotte's web i got i got a stupendous. Fucking t shirt from her. I'm so glad you like it. I'm glad glad here all right. Let's jump into our villain of the year just feel over year a four headed for the waning lead spotted would have wasted eternity five days each out. Dr talks right with certainly paul gemini honorable. Mentions i do. I do have a few quick on these. I have you as black mask. For the most part he was kind of a comical villain except for very disturbing club scene in a restaurant. I do have jean carlo. Esposito also as villa. I've had him as hero and villain for moth gideon and mr edgar from the boys. This was never confirmed. But i have like one of my villains is to step dad from the movie never rarely sometimes always asked because i feel like yeah i feel like he was kind of responsible for the main things that happened in that the sundown towns and lovecraft country. Sarah paulson's overbearing mother and the movie run. Jim parson as a sexual predator and the tv show. Hollywood he plays rock hudson's agent and he is just absolutely evil do have beau jack horsemen as a as a villain of the year. I also have coach kuenz from who the years just. Because i know if i bought a prostitute for what am i students. I would be arrested locked up day with no chance for bail. And my last i will. Mention is francesca from too hot. To handle like dude you you just want to get everybody. The money like south fucking the people on the reality show. Let them get their money. My third runner up my third runner up are all the big cat owners from tiger. King like doc and joe exotic carole carole baskin's and that start guy. I have sophie oaken nido who played charlotte in the tv. Show rachid nor ryan murphy Show she is fucking amazing and almost saying this is my first. Runner-up is kate. Mara as teacher. Claire wilson and the fx. Show a teacher you. I think you pretty much every shitty teacher. I had named if our listeners. Paul is a teacher. So this makes one hundred percent sense so yeah. Those are great choices. Man rebecca who do you got for you. Got an honorable mentions yeah. I got a few honorable. Mentions i will also honourably mention all of the people who own big cats in tiger king. Carol baskin's and joe exotic all of those guys and carol totally killed her husband. That's my opinion and just for fun. I also honorable mentioned the shark in the movie g. shark because i love cheesy movies and that shark was a really great villain. I have two runners up Number three is going to be franklin gela as judge. Julius hoffman and trial of the chicago. Seven yeah. I watched that movie and like there are certain movies. I've watched that. Like i have just been left just physically angry and shaking and i want to go and shake those people and he was one of those people that i just wanted to shake him. Did you feel the same way after wonder woman nine thousand nine hundred different. So we're just supposed. I throw that beat to the shark number. Three number two is going to be kristen. Wakes cheetah from wonder woman to eighty four. As much as i do love pedro. Pascal and i think he probably had the best year ever with all the stuff he was in. I did like maxwell lord. I probably could have thrown him in with my honorable mentions but the thing about cheetah is just felt. Like kristen. wig really stood out as barbara minerva and then eventually cheetah in wonder woman not for and then i've i've got a number one later again reserving judgment that's reserved for their silence. Jackie wow speaking cheat speaking of cheetah speaking a cheetah this kid he's got claws the this kid he's got claws. That's a roger quote from american dad. So that's the only reason. I said that i love it. When roger says he's got claws. Wow okay jake. Why do you got shit. Stop laughing. There's no categorized struggled harder than villain of the year. Honestly i would have loved to have given some kind of award to one of my favorite novel villains of all time randall. flagg but unfortunately I've watched the first three episodes of that series. Now i i just can't do it. How about you give you give the award to the writers of that. Show a lot of bad idea writers. Stephen king himself. I never understand how you can fucking mess up his own source material when it comes to shit like this but he's got a knack for it. Fuck but yeah. I just have a runner up in a winner My runner up for this category is is moth gideon. He was just such a scumbag One thing that really submitted it for me was the social media post about his children or grandchildren. I think it was his children Asked him not to harm the child and him telling them that he was gonna arm them even more from from saying that. I couldn't believe he would say that to his own kids. I just crack me up it. It takes an ultimate villain to respond that way to your own family when they fall into the fiction. So deep. Like that so yeah. Moth gideon is my runner-up when my honorable mentions is patty jenkins for her writing on cheetah and winner. A her back. I'm sorry this is just a celebration celebration celebration of yeah good times. Come and celebrate underutilized. Dc villains come on -brate terrible exposition. I love you. Rebecca shirt to thank you so much honorable mentions though. My real honorable mentions i a- cash as a storm front in the boys season two. I thought she was absolutely fantastic. I'm a big fan is so just seeing her. Get get this role a storm front in the boy season two. I thought it was just. I thought she was great. I loved her. I've got to run up. Giancarlo esposito as gideon in the mandalorian season two. I love this guy. This guy fantastic great fucking villain number. Two runner-up is going to be. Kenneth brannagh as salvator in christopher. Nolan's tenant what a choice what pieces shit that guy was. Wow wow and what a fantastic villain for that movie. I absolutely thought he had a standout performance. Let's get into our villain of the year off with you. Paul who was your number one villain of the year. I'm going to go with the racist nazi storm front cash. Just made you hate her so bad and she like you know when you talk about a scenery-chewing bagai you get her. She was fucking fantastic. The way she played off of anthony star and really really hated her by the and happy with stuff that was going on. So i cashed a storm. Front is my villanova ear. It's a fantastic choice. Rebecca excuse me mine is marketing played by carlo esposito You guys have all pretty much said everything about him. he's great. he's ready to everything he does. I really loved loved him as the villain in this series and yeah absolutely. Oh my god. I haven't breaking bad. Jesus fucking gus god. He's so good. He's so bad and that we get him more better call saul is just. That's a treat to. I mean here's a thing. It's like i think like you know disney lucasfilm was like you know. Yeah let's get. Let's get ben mendelsohn. This guy has been a pretty good villain. But i think it really didn't overwrite interro gwen but man you get fucking giancarlo esposito. He's just like another fucking level right now with getting i level jake. What are you got island of the covid. Nineteen how comes stat. Go fucking movie. It's ruined every aspect of pop culture. That i enjoy possible so win for me not an enjoyable villain right. Let that slide to man. Carol baskin killed her husband. Jake more than one person. A man of the year is antony starr as homeland in season. Two of the boys. I loved season. Two of the boys and anthony style is just fucking incredible. Like you talk about like typecasting this guy's villain in every future project that's fine. I wanna see him as doctor. Doom in the marvel cinematic universe. I also want to see is the joker dc. I wanna see this guy show up as a villain in all of my favorite properties. I absolutely love anthony star. I love his energy went and saw him this year at sea to everybody that went to see too easy to that was a part of that that went to that panel. You know the energy that this guy puts off and like all the hard work that this guy put in as homeland or and in season one. We got him when he was a great character. He did a great job but like they didn't really know the response of life what the fans was going to be until season two and season two. They just fucking took this character and the amped up to eleven. And i mean it was. He was just a brilliant brilliant. Antony starr fantastic. He's my number one mellon. Let's move on into our announcement of the year. The announcement of the year right. Paul talk to me. You got any honorable. Mentions i do. I have ran the last dragon of the fifty ninth animated movie from disney. What we got on the investors meeting. Just look absolutely beautiful. I got no holidays alien. Tv show that's come into fx christian. Bale as one of my all time. Favorite marvel villains as god butcher just made me so excited and then i have the landau show and then john cena's peacemaker series coming to hbo. Mac wow what a great choice. I loved that we're and then for my runners up. I have no shame on this celebration one of my all time. Favorite disney movies is being made into a tv series. And that is moana and i am so excited to see what they are going to do with that story and all the cast of characters that they can bring into that. Are you worried about how he would respond to that. Paul you said it like. It's a celebration. I feel like anybody. I like anybody who brings up something. Like hey remember. This is a celebration member. Bit just more all they said it was going to be a long form storytelling series. So that makes even more excited that it's not just going to be a bunch of one and done episodes right average music for it to and then manuel is involved again in writing original songs for the series so a lot of how hopes for this as well and i'm so glad you said that because like i was kind of exciting like i say about the zootopia stuff but that august seems like almost like little shorts. They're gonna go around the city. I'm so excited. I hope we get to see more of like jemaine clement. Thomas tola like. I don't know if the rocks gonna come back but i just. I'm so excited to go back to that world because it was one of my all time favorite disney movies Second runner up is a rogue squadron being directed by patty jenkins i thought that was a brilliant way. They showcased you know like she talked about how you know her. You know all the passion. She has for the aspect of that movie. And then this is my writing right. I don't know. I don't know that's why it's still my runner up now this this excites me to no end. I don't know if this has been put into limbo. But i am really excited by the chip and dale rescue. My first runner up is the chip and dale rescue rangers. Live action movie. With andy. Sandberg and john mullany being our our main characters. I know john lane. He's taking time. A you know really put his health. I so i don't know if this is going to be pushed back but added. That was a very tactful. Way of saying john mullany. He's got to get off the booger sugar. Thank you for covering for me brian. I i i know honestly like here's the thing it's i think it's fucked up. I hope he does too. I i hope he does too i hope he i hope he can get off this shit and i hope it doesn't hurt his his stunt his creativity. That's the thing. When you're messing with fucking drugs that mess with your with your serotonin levels and things like that man who knows. I'm really worried about him coming back after this. So yeah he needs to be in our thoughts. And i really sickens me. When i do see a lot of people fuck in making you know jokes about fucking like ben affleck and his alcoholism just because they didn't like his batman or whatever like i wasn't the big of span of his fucking batman but my god that guy struggling with alcoholism and all the stuff i want him to fucking get clean. He's got fucking kids and all this shit and it's like you know that stuff. That's that's serious to me. And i think there's toxic fuck and fans out there saying some evil hateful shit about ben affleck and and i'm sorry i did not mean to. What i said was not intended to be hateful at all to john mullany and i hope that this guy can fuck and get his life back on track. I really do wrong. One hundred percent. Yeah i wasn't a fan of athletics. Bruce wayne but i don't wanna see his life all around you know around him but yeah i definitely. I was very excited about. And i don't know what to stop the guy. That's directing is yes. I just this excites me to no end. My all time favorite cartoons and i was a kid to see you andy sandberg and the mullany take up. These guys just. That's my first runner up. I hope it's good man. I really hope this fucking. I love chippendales rescue rangers. When i was a fucking ken i love. I love jake. You remember the fucking video game one of the greatest all those capcom disney afternoon games for fuck instinct. They were great. They were so much fun. I loved chippendales. Rescue rangers monory. Jags zipper fucking gadget. I loved that show as a kid i loved. You know what i want to see. You know what. I want to see for wonder woman three. I wanna see cheetah. Come back and i want to see her be a villain but i just want to see her like knocking stuff off tables a laser like the you got it right paul late late. That's how that's how wonder woman. Petty jenkins writes it in. That's how wonder woman defeats with a laser pen fucking if she run off a cliff. She finds the monkey's paw and wishes for a lifetime. Supply of catnip. I really hope she can get off. The cat dipped in twenty twenty one. And i hope they have fucking chitose tie in with chester cheetah. Oh my god. That's a great fan porn dude. It ain't easy being. Oh you want to see fucking chester cheetah. Fuck cheetah from the dc movies saint. Paul sure why not. No judgment celebration. Why would i wouldn't look away from that. Thank you jake thank you oh man we find out that patty jenkins is going to direct the next in thunder cats movie. She targets sidelined with all rebecca. It's a celebration in. It is making a run for the twenty twenty one villain of the year. I'm going to show up on that list. My twenty twenty. One of the years. Brian from pop culture leaped ahead. Don't argue with to celebrate aka rebecca announcement of the year. Do you have any honorable mentions. Yeah i've got some honorable mentions and there were so many in amazing announcements especially at the end of the year with the with the disney stuff and and the marvel star was. It's hard just to pick like a top three so some of the stuff that's honorable mentions. It's like how come. I didn't make it to your top three because there's like so many good stuff so having said that honorable mention tycoon. Not directing a star wars film very exciting. I can't wait to see what he does. for being announced as part of the mcu going forward very exciting and also you know good her bed wb announcing that they were going to drop all their twenty twenty one movies on hbo. Max which may or may not end up actually happening. I think that's a very bold announcement and a way for the studio to bring the content to the viewer in a time where we can't go to the movie theater because let me tell you something. I wish we could have been talking about doing on this show because i've been super excited for that. But anyway to runners up number three tatyana playing she hulk super super super excited for that. I'm very excited for the she. Hulk show and i love autonomous lonnie. I can't wait to see her in this. What did you watch her in. The was it the new. Hbo series is that where you were watching her in Hbo talking about she was doing the perry mason. I watched a little bit in perry mason. I thought she was. She was good in that. I didn't finish perry mason full disclosure. But like i watched her in orphan black. And i watch er in my god. Why am i blanking God why am i blanking on stuff. All you need to say is orphan black. I mean really heard. That's her big thing right. But i didn't know. I didn't know that you watched or from black. So that makes me happy. Oh good. I'm glad that that's. That's yeah i got around orphan black. I did watch it. So that's my. That's my second runner though. Sorry that's my favorite rob. Second runner up is that nia. Dacosta directing captain marvel two Nancy kosta is somebody who is not like done a ton of stuff. So i can't say like oh. I'm a big fan of her work. But i'm excited for her for her. Because cash marvel one was directed by a directing team of both men and woman. This is going to be a woman heading marvel film and she is a black woman. And i believe if i'm not mistaken. She is the first black woman to direct marvel film. And i am very very excited by that weather that excuse me whether that will make a good film are not who knows how captured marvel to will turn out but that announcement is very exciting to me And then i have a number one very cool. What are you going to take. I just have a number one for this one. Wow we can see who's putting in the putting in the time this episode. It's a celebration. Come fucking with you. Deeply offended by finger hovering man. I've got. I've got honorable mentions here. I think we've heard most of these christian. Bale as god butcher in thor love and thunder. Wow are you fucking kidding me. Are you fucking kidding me christian. Bale just blew me. He's blown me away as an actor these past few years. I love them and ford. First ferrari going back. I loved him in fucking american psycho for crying out loud. he's awesome. Tatiana slimy as she hopes what paul what. We're talking about errands god butcher. We're talking about thor love and thunder and you're stealing mine buddy old but it's a celebration. It's a celebration. Yeah celebration of me. Getting cut off early. No i'm fucking with you. Paul would know what were you saying. Dude i apologize. No i'd like like. I just had to echo. I always said to. But like jason air and made the god butcher just terrifying fucking evil villain and to know that someone of christian bale's caliber is going to be playing that guy when i think don't waste all dude i mean don't fuck in paul and patty jenkins cheetah ono. Going back to celebration time every time that no. I'm really excited to hear the movie of the year. I got a oh my god. You gotta be fucking kidding me. That'll be the ultimate celebration when we get to that. Oh my god you gotta be fucking kidding me fucking tasted movies but movie the i'm gonna fuck it. I'm gonna throw down with you guys. Fuck fuck the celebration. I'm fucking talking. Kickboxer fucking ufc sixty or whatever the fuck jesus fucking windmill punch you guys in the face do did you listen to the top fucking brian fucking donkey punch rebecca in the back of the head partner award show better than the tupperware funds fucking class. Join my god tuxedo shirts. Tattoo your my tatyana miscellaneous. She'll is my second honorable mention. I'm a huge fan of tatyana miscellany. I think she is one of the hardest working and best actors out there. I feel like that. She's been overlooked for so many different projects. I think rogue one would've been a much better movie the castor instead of felicity jones in the role of jenner. So i'm going to say that till the day. I fucking die. I think tatyana slimy is just incredible after and to see her as she hulk and a half hour fucking comedy. That's going to be on disney. Plus i cannot wait. I want more tatyana. Lonnie and i can't wait to see her. Join the mcu. In the movies people are gonna lose their fucking shit when she shows up in a fucking marvel. Movie it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen already bound out the fucking mark. Ruffalo is going to be showing up in the series. And i can't wait fucking tim. Roth is abomination. Oh my god jake. Do you think he's going to be showing up just as tim. Roth in the courtroom i hope. So here's the thing they say. He's going to be abomination but like is he. Are we going to see abomination. Are we going to see him. Show up in a courtroom as abomination to see. Both things happen like he shows up. One day tim raw take a break and then he comes back abomination or he gets pissed off and even though it's a celebration comes back abomination she look in the back of the. Yeah oh i forgot. I love orphan black. I love tatiana salani. I think she's fucking great. Soka we got. We got the soka series that that's been announced coming to disney plus and that's that's one of my announcements of the year as well. I can't wait to see. resort dawson. Reprised the character in her own series. I'm hoping that we're going to get sabine. Ren showing up in that series and tying up some things from rebels and maybe we get a live action older bridgier in that series. I don't know where they're gonna go. But i'm really looking forward to it. My two runners up john watts directing fantastic for. It's it's split on this. Because i'm not the biggest john watts fan but i am a fan of the fantastic four next year could be praising the announcement of like whoever they're going to be casting as the lead roles for reed richards. Insensitive storm like that definitely could be could be in the discussion next year for next year's copies but like for right now even though it is john watson. I'm not the biggest john watts fan. I don't think he's terrible. i think he's serviceable as a director. But just the fact that there were that were getting a fantastic for movie in the mc you. I've gotta give it. I've got to give it a runner up award here. My next runner-up is michael. Keaton coming back as batman. Are you kidding me. Are you fucking kidding me. Absolutely michael. Keaton is going to be coming back as batman in the flash movie. I cannot wait to see an older michael keaton. Michael keogh michael. Keaton batman older bruce wayne where he's lost his alfred whereas whereas cat woman in the scenario i mean. Are they together like all. These questions. hopefully will be answered in this flash movie so michael. Keaton coming back is batman is huge. For me. I cannot wait to see him. This is like this is like a full fucking circle. Man like fucking plays batman goes on. Does a movie called birdman which is very meta to the character that he played in batman then plays an mcu villain the culture and now is actually coming back and playing a version of his character in in this flash movie from probably like a like a like a another earth and i cannot wait to see this but let let's get to our number one announcements of the year paul but you number one announcement of the year yet. It is that on marvel's first family is coming home and kevin feige. He is going to be in charge of it. Just the fact that you know. We've all wanted to hear it finally v. saidlake. Yeah dude you know. We're we're bringing a fantastic for their part of the mcu. Just excited meech. No end there. One of my favorite properties and to know that they're going to be handled by the same dude. That eleven years of awesome marvel movies just excites me to no end so fantastic four coming into the. I'm see you as my announcement of the year number one there. You go rebecca for this. But it's patty jenkins directing rogue squadron. I think yes if you absolutely wonder woman. A sequel was disappointment. But i still think. Overall patty jenkins is an amazing director. I think she could tell a good story. And i think star wars to be quite honest in my personal opinion. They're lucky to have her. So i am very excited for her. To be doing rogue squadron. I love the personal connection. She has with the idea of rogue squadron. And i can't wait to see what she does with it. Yeah i hope. I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I'm still right to. I mean i i will be honest and say if if it ends up being shit then he gets shit and get on here and say that but the idea of it is just so exciting to me. I'm not ready to lumper in with the directors that i think need to be reined in there's directors that i think the right like i'm not quite there yet and i think rogue squadron will be that movie that fucking tells me. Does she need to be reined. In with her storytelling. I think the the wachowski his need to be reined in with with with their storytelling and direction. You know. i love the which oscar what they do by. There are certain things that they need to do in their movies. I think they need to be reined in with some of the some of their ideas and they've been given complete control and freedom. And i don't want patty jenkins to be lumped in with that so we'll see we'll see i think i love her personal connection to the rogue squadron. I loved that video that she put out. I thought it was fantastic. So i'm hoping rogue squadron will be we need a return to form with star wars movies after the last jedi. I in my opinion now. The last year that was great we needed after rises. No no no. No i meant. Rises skywalker meant. Yeah already written it away shit. Yeah i don't know man. I've got problems with both movies at this point jake announcement of the year. Yeah my announcement of the year is the disney investors meeting in whole. I mean it's where i feel like eighty percent of everyone's announcement came from i. It was just completely took me off guard. I knew we were going to get some major announcements. But i didn't realize it was going to be a half a day affair of learning about so many new marble properties so many new stores properties. I was blown away by all the disney properties that were announced. I mean this thing. Just i couldn't believe how much they announced. Is this going to be a yearly thing. Is kind of the new san diego comic con or are we going to be doing yearly disney investor meeting episodes from this point on i want an amazing event and one of the only positive things that this pandemic rock was how investors meeting went down. They i should have brought them. Up is filling of the year. Because i had a completely different show setup that week. Yeah yeah no kid. I had a. We had a whole different. Show that we jake and then they fucking drop that shit on thursday and they throw everything out the window. And i've got a day and a half to fucking to to break down these trailers these shows in everything. Jesus christ that was fucking nightmare. I spent four hours alone on the lucky trailer. I mean yeah. I thought we were whatever they said. I thought it would be an hour. Ninety minutes max of converted into talktime for us but yeah you can instantly tell before it was over. You knew it was an entire episode through my entire episode out the window. The do a completely new show that week but man. Yeah it was. It was fantastic. Oh yeah come at me. My number one announcement of the year is the snyder. Tide is coming to. Hvl mex- baby. All you haters. I can't wait to see the fucking snyder. We never thought it was going to happen. You go back and listen to every episode pl. I thought you know yeah. The snyder cut existed. Guess what. I was wrong and we're finding that out now but and here's the thing we're getting the snyder it's coming to. Hbo max and twenty twenty one. It's happening we're gonna get to see it. That's my announcement. I never thought that this was ever going to happen. And i can't wait to watch the snyder cut. I cannot wait to watch the snack out of the year as much of a hater. As i am. Zack snyder. i right there with you. I cannot wait to see this for episode spectacle. Is the snyder cut of justice. Can it get worse. I'm on the edge of my c- cannot get worse. It cannot get worse. The snyder the snyder cut i am going in. I am going in with fucking with Goggles like the snyder goggles. The snyder fan boy goggles watching this. I can't wait. I want to love it. I want to love it yeah. I'm so thankful that. I don't have to see this theater and take twenty bathroom breaks. He's still talking studi. Still talking about this coming out in imax theaters. No matter what's going on in the world. I will never watch this movie. The i know you will watch it on hbo. I will be in the theater watching this if i can. If i if. I have the ability to watch this in the theater. I will be watching this in the theater. You bucket in you. Bet your fucking ass. I will be snyder. Cut twenty twenty one and sell fuck you. That's your half. Oh that's yeah. I'm happy that you're happy with your announcing man you can tell. This just made the almost made pause list but it just missed the cut off. Oh it was worried there. Say fuck all of you ask. We're all friends here. We can say whatever the fuck. I don't give talked about donkey. Punching rebecca in the back of the head was shocking shocking brian. No i seriously like my female actor of the year is rebecca for saying that cheetah was one of her favorite villain. Right beer. okay. I know that's so out of the realm. Are i know. I know the amount of respect that they gave the cheetah character in wonder woman nineteen eighty-four. Four all my god. Thank you for being an afterthought to max lord and his and pedro pascal chewing the scenery in that movie celebration though celebrate celebration. Perfect i'm saying she did a good job as portraying the character. That's what i'm saying. Celebration celebration only thanksgiving dinner at all. I know i know i feel. I feel like uncle earl. Brought up the gays. You know what i mean reminds me of seinfeld fucking me me me me me and uncle early gonna go fucking fucking toe to toe right now. Do don't even don't tiptop does. Loncle you fucking bigot. Just pass the stuffing stop. Sorry what is your favorite fucking side dishes thanksgiving if it's homemade stuff i love the candied yams man done right. Yeah those are good to talk to me. Fall is really no you know. What if it's if it's homemade mashed potatoes and there's roasted garlic. It's mashed potatoes. This get balk tail doesn't hot biscuit. Sound like a fucking really gross sexual thing. Yes it probably is. I gave the hot biscuit. This when patty jenkins wrote cheetah. She gave her that this biscuit. Thanks rebecca to celebration them saying that after guys. Let's let's jump it. What are we. What have we got here now. The era jumping into best god. This is a big one guys. We're jumping into best tv show of the year. Yes television show of the year. All right paul honorable mentions for best tv show of the year. Yeah i got a smile mansions. Some runners-up i probably could go through my whole list and people are gonna know exactly where it's going but i got i got the parks and rec reunion episode. I thought that was done briliantly. They brought paul rudd in. Upload was such a fun show. God yes great choice. I thought that was so much fun. Gotta love a good killing nazi story. So i'm gonna go with hunters as our mention hollywood. Mythic quest was a lot of fun. Oh god mythic quest dude you bring. These are things that i should have had on my list. You brought up mythic quest. I didn't have it on my list. That should be on my list. And in fucking upload on amazon prime with robbie amal those fucking great all. They're so good then. Suck that these are just honorable. Mentions but like dead to me. Season two was great. One of the best documentaries. I've seen all years. The last dance high score which was just fucking fantastic i net flicks about the video game industry what we do in the shadows which is now suddenly becoming better than its source material which is great because everyone. That's in the movie it has something to do with this deb's The reality show this circle. Good lord bird rachid patrol at my last honorable mention is the unicorn with walton goggin and my runners. Up three quarters up. I got at number three. These were these could interchange at any point. But i got shits creek at number three. I just thought it was a beautiful sendoff. Second runner-up is the boys. Don't think there's enough you know more. I can say that my first runner up is the mandalorian go there. You go fantastic. Why did you fucking homework. Jake is going to be like. And i've got a run run run around in a winner. Pass better fucking. Celebrate my to fucking things jake. My god and i don't think i don't think throughout your entire fucking school is going to school. Did you ever talk hand in extra credit ever ever doubtful hashtag extra credit got bare bones. Minimum jake over there Rebecca what do you got got got a bunch of honorable mentions and then. Two runners up honorable mentions ted last. Oh we all gushed about it. Mrs america on hulu. That was a a mini miniseries. Good so good Also defending jacob many series series on apple. Tv with chris evans good girl season three. The crown season four also have hunters on my honorable. Mentions and. I'm gonna throw in tiger king my honorable benjamin's just because this was like a complete phenomenon it was at the beginning of lockdown. And everybody was fucking watching this thing and you couldn't go anywhere on social media that people talking about tiger king in how addictive it was and they just had to watch the next episode and i totally got sucked into it and all those people are all terrible but tiger king was incredibly entertaining for me at least on the surface level First runner up is going to be a star trek discovery. Season three i. It's still actually ongoing. There's the season. Finale is coming up this week but i really love what they did with discovery. This season being plunged nine hundred years into the future and having to deal with. I don't wanna spoil too much But having to deal with the federation and the state that they're in and trying to figure out this big mystery of some event that happened having seen a lot of character growth for all the actors and their characters has been really great. And my other. My next runner-up is going to be the mandalorian season two. I thoroughly enjoyed this season. I like to. I like pretty much every episode. I thought everybody all the actors. I thought did incredibly well and i know like especially for the character of the mandalorian. It's not just pedro pascal. There's like a whole team of actors and stunt people involved in that process so like everybody involved with wearing the suit and doing the stunts and all that stuff i think should get incredibly high praise And all that puppetry work with with kroger is just incredible. And then i've got number one for later. You brought up defending jacob. And i'm gonna say that throughout this episode. One of my honorable mentions is you in Defending jenkins for all the fucking patty jenkins chicken. How one so rebecca's so dumb with me. This episode takes this record time done with youtube. Oh god was like before. I break very jake. I can't wait to hear you ran off two things. We've got some stuff easily. My most robust j. j. bring bring in the heat. What he got jake. I've a couple of things that paul had is out of religions. I have high score. I really loved high score. It made me so excited for the cbs. All access video game show which is pale in comparison to high score. What a fun trip down. Memory lane and just really well thought out research and all these different games played his kids at the showtime show. Good lord bird on there as well. ethan hawke his fucking kill it. Finish that series. If you haven't it's fucking amazing The funniest thing. I watched all year. Auntie donna's house of fun. Yeah inaudible mentioned for me as well show. I've never hated something so much and then loved it so much. Five minutes later it was just such a crazy turn of events in this and it's one of those things if you watch it a second time. It's fucking funnier. The second time. Absolutely i think dude you got gotta fucking like you're so disoriented when you're watching that first episode right. Yeah i what the fuck my watching even fucking watching this and the next thing. I know i can barely breathe. So what a fucking great show deserves. More praise does deserve more people talking about it and watching it Another honorable mention for me is this season of survivor was winners at war. It was something. I never thought i would get. We actually brought back twenty previous winners from the show's history and they all play the game together. I it's not things that jeff crowe said would never happen. That actually happened. And it's we haven't had season of survivor sense because of the pandemic so it could very well be the final season of survivor. And if that's the case it really went out on a high no and then. I have three runner ups. My third runner up is the hbo max. Original series raised by wolves. This is the ridley. Scott science fiction drama about the androids raising human life on another planet. Oh yeah this show is just mind blowing. Give it at least three episodes all through the first episodes twisting 's up even more the second you watch him within the first five minutes each of those episodes. You're just fucking gobsmacked by what you're seeing. My second runner up is my favorite reality. Show of the year a netflix. The circle i think paul brought this up as one of his honorable mentions as well. didn't expect much from this was really blown away still crossing my fingers. We're gonna get a second season of the circle. It feels like such a perfect show to make an produce during the constrictions that we have now. Yeah so. I'm actually really shocked that we haven't fast fast-tracked a second season of the circle And my first runner up is the mandalorian I think this was my winter last year and it barely missed it this year. And we'll find out why of a little bit later but fucking mandalorian season two not quite as strongest season. One but still very very good some. I've got honorable. Mentions out the wazoo out the wash drew. I don't know what's wrong with me. i don't know. is it the wine talking. I think it is the wine got or something. There i got doc punched in the oiseaux. I got doug and what i mean by zoo is i mean my anus in what i need by docu punches. This and wine fix that. It's fucking biscuit. Hot biscuit on my chest. I wanna biscuit on my face. Neck and chest. Neil hapless get chest. Jesus christ yeah rub it on like vick for runoff. Yeah exactly that's creepiest fucked. My honorable mentions. I've got. I've got a lot of them here at the umbrella academy little little little the umbrella academy season two. I loved this fucking show and these are in no particular order guys like these are no particular order. The umbrella academy season two upright on sundance. Tv i absolutely i lock in loved this show. I talked about it on a previous episode. Thought it was. Tim mentions fantastic. And i loved it. Tosh point the final season on comedy. Central daniel tosh is one of my favorite comedians and the season was fantastic even throughout the pandemic. It's what i needed to keep laughing. Alison borderland on netflix. Which has been green lit for a season too. I love the first season of alison. Boorda land it was so fantastic. Do yourself a favor and watch this one. The dole mandalorian season two is an honorable mention for me. We are who we are on h. b. Oh my god the show that everyone should be watching that. No one is talking about. We are who we are on hbo. I absolutely loved this show. It's from the director of call me by your name. And i loved it. The queen's gambit on net flicks starting on your taylor joy. What a fucking limited series on netflix frayed on. Hbo max and hbo max original i. They brought it over from the sky network. Funny comedy i loved it. Ozark season three on netflix. Oh my god. They brought in. Tom pelfrey and i loved it. Loved jason bateman tiger king on netflix rebecca. You brought this up ya. I don't think twenty twenty. I don't think. I don't think you can finish twenty twenty without mentioning tiger king. Absolutely i know this much is true on. Hbo with mark ruffalo. He plays dominik. Bird and thomas birdseye and he recounts his troubled relationship with his brother his paranoid schizophrenic twin brother and his efforts to get him released from an asylum. This was an amazing mini series on. Hbo little america. I'll give it an honorable mention. Because i loved half of the season. I this is on apple tv. Highly recommended shits creek season six the final season. I'm a huge shits creek. Fan loved it. Everything's gonna be okay. This is on free form. You can also watch it on hulu. I highly recommend this. You've got a character nicholas. His dad dies and he had started nicholas lives in australia. His dad's started a new family in america. He's got teenage half sisters. One of whom is on the autism spectrum and nicolas takes over as like they're basically like the adult that's going to be taken care of these girls as they're going into their high school years and it is a fucking incredible show. It did get a season. Two october faction on net flicks. I loved it. I fucking loved. October faction came out very early in the year. But i loved october faction the circle on that flicks is another one of the shows that i love reality. Show jake. you're absolutely right. They need to fucking fast track. This season two. I don't know why they're fucking dragging their feet on this one. And then my final honorable mention is servant on apple tv. I don't know if this started in twenty nineteen. But i know it finished in twenty twenty and i loved servant on apple tv. I thought it was fantastic. I have two runners up. Ted lasso on apple tv plus and then my second runner up is the boys season. Two on netflixif amazon. Excuse me amazon prime. I absolutely loved the boy season two. I thought it was fucking incredible. And let's get onto our winners of best tv show of the year. Pau who is what is the number one show dude. I fucking know what you do. Yes he moved to rebekah ted lasso and there's nothing else that needs to be said ted's year ted lasts pause. Love ted lasso. I love it. I love it. I can't wait to talk about season two with you. Oh my god like talking to you about season. One was fucking fantastic. So yeah we gotta do it absolutely season to do a lot of fun stuff. We will do it again. Rebecca what your number one minute. On show of the year is star. Trek picard The announcement for the show was my announcement of the year. Back in two thousand nineteen i was. This was my most anticipated. Show for me and twenty twenty. It premiered early in the year. I mean And i know again like with anything. Not every star. Trek fan enjoyed the show. But boy i loved the hell out of it to see patrick stewart. Excuse me come back. Put on the picard persona again after he had literally hung up the uniform in a in a social media post and was like. I'm done with the character. Everybody for him to come back and now be a much older much. More agent picard and dealing with all the stuff that happened after he left starfleet him now being kind of an outsider with starfleet no longer being no longer having his name carry as much weight as he was used to and the adventure and the the the his journey on this episode. Excuse me on this show trying to do justice to an old friend was just to me. One of the most beautiful shows this year and one of the most identifying as star trek fan. So for me it's star check cards. My show of the air goes so i checked picard. I gotta i gotta finish that rebecca. I apologize. I need to finish dot as well three episodes and let them there. I think you know I would be interested to hear your thoughts At some point on the final episode. And how it all wraps up For me you know. There were things that happened in the final episode. That i didn't care for of course but there are plenty of it. I did like so. Yeah i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how it all wraps up all right. Jake you show the year your show the year. This year is queen's gambit. I just absolutely fell in love with this show. I've watched episodes multiple times now. It's kind of brought back to the forefront to which is really incredible. I haven't seen this many people talking about actual chess strategy in forever on social media. And that's really wild to see. And yeah just buchan love cleans game and i'll probably watch it again at some point in two thousand twenty one just when i want you know some light. Tv's feel good tv. I'll throw this series on again. God joy what a great year for her like. I knew she was something special. When thoroughbreds came out. I knew i knew she was something special in thoroughbreds came. When i saw that movie in the theater i went and saw that at the art theatre in champagne and it was one of those movies and i watched it after. Oh god oh my god. Why am i blanking on his name. And i feel so terrible right now. The actor that died from star trek the play checkoff anton anton and i watched it after antonio had passed and like but man. What fucking have you guys seen. Green room with anton yeltsin and patrick patrick. What a fucking great green room. Is greg anton yell taken way too early. Oh my god one hundred percent such a such a promising career. Such a young person really wide range. Yeah i mean yeah. I mean even. He did like some tv spots here and there like before he got really big If you just watch like his guest appearances like as like the star of the week on criminal minds he had an episode on there like the range. This kid had was just so good. It was so amazing. Fantastic so such a great actor. My best tv show of the year hands down the last dance on. Espn which is now available and collected and you can watch it on netflix. This is the chicago bulls story and it talks about their final season back in nineteen ninety eight and basically and but but what it does is it. It goes back to the past. I mean it talks about michael jordan and his his early days and then talks about his early days at north carolina. Him being drafted by the bulls. Talks about scotty pippin It talks about dennis rodman. it gets into all facets of the team and i am like as far as the chicago bulls go. It's a. It's a huge part of my life. I have tons of chicago bulls memorabilia. I've been to a so many games at the united center Thirty years of my life is in chicago bulls basketball and this was the culmination of that and it was a way for people to kind of remember like how special this team was. You don't get a team like this every fucking you. You get a team like this once every fucking twenty thirty years. You get a team like this. And i'm talking about like you know great lakers dynasty. I'm talking about great celtics. Dynasties russell and these the lakers with jerry west and and bob cousy with the celtics. I mean you. Don't get these kind of these legendary teams in a story. That's being told this story were michael jordan. Gets the last word and as a fan. That's what i fucking wanted from this documentary. I've heard enough out of isaiah. Thomas over the past fucking you know twenty thirty years now. Commentating on the chicago bulls and commentating jordan and bringing him down for jordan and get the last word. It was a beautiful fucking thing. You do not have to be a basketball fan to watch the last dance and appreciate what was happening. During this dynasty. I was at the chicago bulls rally in in ninety eight when they won that championship. Got my car at midnight. drove to chicago. Got in line at about four in the morning and i was one of the fans that were sitting down in the seats at grant park in nineteen ninety eight when the bulls won their last championship. And it was one of those things that i will. Never forget and to see and to relive all these moments watching the last dance on. Espn was the highlight of my year. This was hands down for me. The best and most personal thing that i'd watched all year. I fucking i cried. I laughed. i cried. And i loved the last dance on. Espn it is just. It is fucking perfect. And rebecca. I don't like i don't know if you you give a fuck about basketball but i'm telling you if you watch this. I think that you would think you would get something out of this. I mean i can certainly remember back in the day. I mean you'd have to be under a rock. Not be aware of the michael jordan scottie. Pippin denis rodman years. I mean even. I'm aware of it of the chicago bulls. So i i i know you've you've raved about it. It's definitely something that sounds interesting. I know a lot of people have loved this. This docu series. So yeah. I'm i'm i love that. It's something so personal to you that you got so much. Emotional like enjoyment out of it. That's that's great. I cannot wait to watch it again. If i looked to my right. I've got chicago bulls soda machine to my right. If i looked to my left. I gotta chicago bulls locker to my left. Like i've got so much chicago bulls memorabilia this like. It's one of the things that me and my family connected with growing up. Some of my best memories are watching bulls games with my family. You know standing up on the couch and fucking throwing her fists up in the bulls won and then just fucking like feeling like absolute shit. When they lost that that seventy two in ten season. I remember fucking when the bulls loss to the charlotte hornets and they lost their tactic. It was the tenth game that they lost. And i was hoping that they'd get under single digits for the year. But i mean god i just this brought back so many memories of that team i it just. It was an incredible fucking experience for me to be able to watch this from week to week. So the last dance is the best. Tv show that. I watched all year. And i'm telling you if you're not a fan of basketball. It doesn't matter watch this. I think that that there's so much drama in the series that. I think that it can bring in paul. I know you watch this paul right. Oh yeah yeah. This is one of my honorable. Mentions and i just finally became a fan of basketball. Just because brandon jennings is used to come to our school and to the kids. But i as what you're saying as someone who really has no history with basketball this was just compelling a compelling tv to the point where most made the pizza delivery guy in utah. My villain of the year was just a fantastic. Tv show. Well done and i grew up. Just being told to hate rodman because he was so different. But you really ended up loving rodman in the series like you get to see his perspective and it was just well done all the way around back in back in the old days when they first launched. nba tv. They used to have a call in show. There's at least two episodes of the nba tv. Where i am a call caller and you get to hear me you get to hear me call in and talk about the chicago bulls and my excitement for that team. I- damon andrews used to do fucking back when chicago used to be on chicago. Sports net on the fox network. I fucking i met. I met damon andrews who used to do like the post game show and demon andrews fucking hook me up with. He knew i was a superfan. I met him at a chicago bulls luncheon and he would. He would give me three tickets every season while he was with fox sports net chicago. He would give me three tickets every season to go. See the bulls for free. I just had to go pick them up at will call i this this this fucking docu series meant the world to me and i absolutely loved it. I'm i'm gonna stop gushing. We'll move on into our director of the year over year so quiet. Nwa take director of the year. Pau do you have any honorable. Mentions i do do and i was feel like i just got a war. And everyone's like the next couple of categories. I was sold locked in until i watched one of these movies for the first time yesterday but my mentions. I have ellen ball for uncle frank. Gavan o'connor for the way. Back with ben affleck great choice man talking about asking ball. Jesus christ great choice. Have you seen what he went through. Like oh no total. Yeah cutting have you ever seen warrior. Oh god yeah with joel edgerton and tom hardy. Yes same director. Oh is it that makes so much sense that makes so much sense. Aaron sorkin for the trial that chicago seven. I know that's been brought up by rebekah for that piece of shit judge. I got a knee. Sh-sh-she natty for the movie run. It's not a perfect movie. But man they have a lotta fucking fun. Would that sarah paulson movie. Here's the one. That's kind of thrown a monkey wrench into everything for me. I got lawrence. michael levine. For black bear judd appetite for the king of staten island and I do want to throw this in because it is for a tv show. But i got deccan low knee for the diamond dogs episode of ted lasso and that is most known for the dart seen episode. I think is one of the best scenes. Tv in quite a long time. That is like for me. That was like the best seen since fucking you like them. Apples in goodwill hunting. Like everything about that. Scene was on perfect perfect. Yeah all right. So i got three runners up for my third runner-up director of the year. I have maxed barbeque. Oh four palm springs. My second. runner-up. Is evan morgan. For the kid detective and my first runner up as angel. Manuel soto for charm. City kings charm city kings. Oh my god. I wish i would have put that on my list. I'm going to throw that on as an honorable mention right now. Paul there you go fucking charm city kings. What a fantastic movie. That came out of nowhere on. Hbo max right. Yeah and the sounded like cheap fast and furious. Knock off if you read the synopsis right. It was nothing like that fantastic choices. Paul fantastic choices rebecca. What do you got for honorable mentions and runners-up mentions and two runners up honorable mentions no particular order destined daniel. Craig credit hope. That's how you say it right for his movie. Just mercy patty jenkins for wonder woman. Nine hundred eighty four gina. Prime blyth would for the old guard. Jonathan frakes all of his directing work on star. Trek picard and discovery. Morton tilda him for his work on defending jacob. he directed all eight episodes. Makoto shinkaiye for weathering with you. Also aaron sorkin for travel chicago seven and haenel culpepper for her work on star trek picard. She was also the first black woman to direct Any piece of media of star trek which was also very exciting and i thought her episodes were particularly good. So first runner up will be autumn. Two wild for her movie emma That was released earlier this year. It was her take on the jane. Austen story of. Emma starring on taylor joy as the titular character I really loved the look and the feel that she brought to this story. She made it feel more modern while keeping it set in the period of a eighteenth century. Jane austen which is very hard to do correctly I've seen attempts at it and it's not good but she really excelled and i thought she drew some incredible performances out of the actors in that film My other runner up is going to be selene. Some mea. i've probably during that as well For her work on portrait of a lady on fire which was a french film. That was released earlier this year. this was a film that told the story of two women who fall in love at a time where that was definitely unacceptable One of the things that i love and appreciate about her work is that there. Are you know there are certainly some nude scenes. There are some sex scenes but the the camera never focuses on necessarily on these women in that really gross male galaxy way that so many films in hollywood have instead these. It's it's a celebration in appreciation of these women's bodies but more she focuses on how it's a celebration of their relationship and their friendship. So yeah that's my two Runners up for you. Can you watch it anywhere streaming so more you know. I watched it on hulu ages ago. I don't know if it's still available on hulu. It actually might be on amazon prime. I'll do a quick check while you guys but If you can watch it. I highly recommend this film. It is one of the most beautiful and well shot films. I've seen all year. It's in french with english subtitles at but it's just such a such a beautiful piece of cinema. The i bet you. It's still on hulu. I'm hoping it's on hulu. I wanna see that highly recommended. It gonna apologize. There's some movies that i didn't get a chance to see as far as like the director. Oriel stuff like there's a bunch of movies that came out at the end of the year and theaters haven't been opened here and so i haven't had a chance to see and then there's stuff that i just haven't gotten around to which i feel. I haven't seen the assistant yet. Which i hear nothing but fucking people raving about the assistant and that's also an hulu so to speak to that one but i cannot wait to watch it and that will be. I will be putting that on the rotation here shortly. Jake woody have go ahead of according to google. You can watch portugal early on fire on hulu. Yeah check it out i. I think it's really great. Very cool. Jake what do you have for honorable. Mentions and runners up. I got two runners up and winner. Here my second runner up is the great. Sam mendes for nineteen seventeen. Just doing what. Sam mendes does best. You know those long never never-ending tracking shots that just don't even understand how he was able to film. I've never seen a movie that looked more realistic than this war. Movie eater just seen those trenches and the way he filmed a shot and just how stark and real everything look. How would you want to know. How would you compare it to saving private ryan then steven steven steven spielberg his best. Okay and what. I would say that that jake is like i think like in one thousand nine hundred seventeen when you're watching the main character walk through those trenches and you're just watching all these people doing and reacting to different things in those trenches i you could. You could literally spend hours days watching those scenes. And i still don't think that you would get everything out of that movie. There's still so much more going on in that movie. When you're like when the characters walking through those trenches all those characters are going through different every every character would like have their own movie in my opinion in that movie within that. It's it's it's so fucking god. Yeah i agree. It's it's just such a masterful level of set design to. I like we did set design of the year. It would probably go to nine nineteen seventeen. I've just never seen anything like it. My first runner up is going to be christopher nolan for tenet I mean here's a director that just does not give a fuck what the masses want or what. The mass distinct when it comes to how he's gonna make his movies. I mean he he never really has like. He's not gonna about trends. He's not gonna make dialogue easier for you to fuck you here. He you know he does not give a fuck and sometimes. I think we're rewarded for that. And i think tenant is one of those cases this movie. Just i'm not the biggest nolan fan. I never have been this movie. Just really fucking knocked my socks off. It was just fucking unbelievable. And honestly i never really had like yes. The sound is garbled and yes. It's it's hard to hear what people are saying at times but it never once like distracted me from what i was seeing or made it hard to understand what i was seeing. I always could follow what was going on very well in this movie. So that was the complaint. I really didn't understand. Until after the fact and i saw everyone everyone complaining about it but yeah i mean he really had to plot out so much direct this movie when it came to what was going on now. I don't wanna get into spoilers. But you know you've got things moving this way things moving that way and it was just a masterclass of you know storyboarding when it came to figuring high is going to direct all this stuff and i pulled it off one hundred percent. I wanna see. Christopher nolan tracked porno Shit going backwards myself. When i watch you might as well be. Christopher nolan a reverse cream pie. I first hot biscuit says. I'm the christopher nolan of my own. Poor mad you tend to make sure jake jake is. The master of his domain seinfeld honorable mentions for director of the year. For evan morgan for the kid detective. That movie just kinda came out of nowhere. I lost sight in the theater. And i absolutely loved the kid. Detective max barbara cow for palm springs. This is the andy sandberg. Kristen miliani movie. And i just thought that it was a fantastic draft on hulu. Jesus luca pick luca guadagnino. I can't pronounce his last name. And i apologize. I love the director though. If you think your if i love him so much what prances fucking name sound like right now. Luca guadagno guadagno. Guatemala nino for the hbo series. We are who we are again. I am going to say that this is the show that no one watched. That is so fucking good. Get on it. Oh my god watch this. Watch this fucking show. Rachel lee goldenberg for unprecedent. I loved this movie. I thought she's i like paul. You know you brought up. What was that movie. Never sometimes always never. What does it call. Yeah never rarely sometimes never rarely sometimes always okay. Yeah like that's another movie that deals with like abortion and it. Does it in a completely different way. This does it in a it. Does it in a serious. But also comedic way. And i think it was better way a lighter way but it was well balanced and well directed. I thought it was fantastic. George see wolf for ma rainey's black bottom. Wow this movie. Just came like nowhere on net flicks and it got the is on it. I think people that watch this appreciate it. And i loved it. And george c wolfe did a great job directing emerald fennel. She did an amazing job directing promising young woman. This is this movie premiered in january at a film festival but it wasn't released until until christmas day and i watched it today and oh my god promising. Young woman is absolutely phenomenal. I've got to runners up. First runner up is darius marder for sound of metal which you can watch on amazon prime. This is the resume. Med movie where the guy is like losing his hearing. He plays in a band with his girlfriend. And he's losing his hearing. It's very fucking. I don't know this is an incredible story. And then my number two my second runner up before we get to our winters here is sam mendes for nineteen seventeen like just the amount of detail and attention that this guy put into. This film is absolutely incredible the way the movie looks like it was taken in one. Take kind of birdman thing and and used zero. As far as i know very limited if not zero special effects to make this happen so like if the weather wasn't wasn't cooperating with them that day the neighbor fucking they were. They were rehearsing lines. And they're waiting for the weather to basically get back to the way. It looked so that they can continue to film this film. I i think that sam mendez just made an incredible movie here so let's get to our winters for director of the year. Paul who is your director of the year. My director of the year is elisa. Hitmen furred never rarely sometimes always you kind of hit upon this with unprecedent and this one coming out around the same time on the same streaming service and i was on the episode review. This and i feel like this is one of the most important movies that should almost be shown in classrooms. But just the way. It was directed you know you said them. Pregnant was comedic and lay. It did have a very serious message to a handled it very lightly. Yeah an away and never really sometimes kinda showed you. I think the more realistic thing that happens in this situation. And i just can't stop thinking about the scene where we get the namesake of the movie when she's answering the lows questions where she answered never rarely. Sometimes they're always and just at. They never break the camera off of her face and then at the end of the movie when her cousin does what she needs to do to get money to come back home. The shot is just so the two cousins holding hands while it's happening. I just thought it was heartbreaking but just phenomenal directing so my director of the year is elisa. Hitman for never rarely sometimes always very cool. Yeah that was one of those movies that we reviewed it kind of. I didn't catch it in the theater. But i think we reviewed it after it had been released on hbo. Because that's because that's all. I watched it. It's funny the week before. I watch on pregnant. And it's just it's it's crazy. Like i think is testament to bolster both directors to take a topic that they cover and just presented in two different ways in each way. You you come out thinking about it so yeah. It was great. Yeah rebecca number. One sam mendes for nine thousand nine hundred seventeen. That movie incredibly well shot. There was a. I don't remember where. I saw this documentary. It might have been on youtube. They talked about how they how he made the film and basically. Because it's meant to look like it's all one take. They could not shoot the scenes out of order. Obviously as most movies are shot so instead they had to basically wait for the weather and the sky and the clouds to basically look the same as it did the day before so that they could start filming so basically all the actors had to be ready to go into character as soon as everything looked the same and then they just had to go. It's such an enormous task that he took on to shoot the movie this way to present it this way the performances he got out of all of these characters even at the very end when blake finally Excuse me scofield. Finally delivers the the message and he has to tell the brother of his friend that his his friend didn't survive. And even these small minor pieces the part where he comes into the woods and you have a soldier who's singing and they're all like all the other soldiers are just like just enrapture listening to him. It is such a real feeling movie. You feel like you're in the movie and it's so hard to get that done so yeah. He is director of the year. That's a great fucking pick. I remember watching. I saw that movie theater twice and I was literally on the edge of my seat. The whole time sitting was physically sitting forward to be like what's going to happen. Oh my god what's going to happen. I really didn't know what would happen to these characters and and it's not that he was telling some original story you've never seen before but just the way it was shown gorge. You couldn't help but be drawn into it. And it was just brilliant. Just brilliant mendez was involved or not but it was one of the best directed trailers. i've ever seen for a movie to be. The movie was about but it really didn't say anything and it just had such a unique visual style like a real artsy trailer. Yeah i kept comparing it to lord of the rings trailer. Jake drescher the yeah. I'm going to get this one to jon. Favreau our our head showrunner and director of the mandalorian i know he only directed the season to season premiere. But honestly that was one of my favorite episodes and especially with the direction just loved see for the first time. Come back the choice of having timothy all of fine even though it was a little bit of typecasting kind of playing a character. He's played in justified and deadwood once again is van but it worked. I never thought of it as typecast inner. You know that he was just doing the same thing over and over again. Seeing the was a crite crate dragon. And what fabric decided to do with that and ever since watching that make enough mandalorian season two. I was just kind of away with the choices. That fabric of himself made onset when it came to the size and the dimensions of that creature like they had one thing on paper but as he was filming he making the monster bigger right there on set so he could get those shots just perfectly framed. With what the size of the creature would be a heated so much of that work figuring out that aspect ratio perspective of that creature during all those shots and one of my favorite episodes of the series was that season two premiere. Give it the fabra fabra. John fabra my director of the year. It's probably not going to be surprised. Anybody christopher nolan for tenant chick. I loved this movie. I think this is a movie that people will be able to watch and try to dissect for many years and like. I don't know. I don't know if anybody's ever going to be able to understand everything that happened. I think he's the closest thing to like god. I've been drinking so much wine. I can't remember the name of the director. The director of clockwork orange stanley uber. Yeah he's like most cube recre- accu- bickering and director to bicker and director. That we've had since stanley kubrick. And it's i i was. I was fully immersed in this movie. Like he's a director that demands that you watch movies twice and that's so bold that is so bold. I saw this movie twice in the theater. And i've watched it home but like i after i watched it the first time it was like it demanded me to go back to the theater and watch it again with the knowledge that they had from watching the first time and i don't know if anyone ever understand this movie. One hundred percent other than christopher nolan himself. It is just that deepened that well-directed and Just a phenomenal fucking movie. I thought ten was like and i know it was supposed to be the movie that like saved theaters and everything and it didn't quite do that even during the pandemic but for those of us that did get to watch this in the theater like this was my favorite theatrical experience that i've had all year and i wouldn't change it for anything and i've seen i got jake. What's sad is like. I've seen the least amount of movies. I've seen in the theater this year. But this this movie made up for it though in spades in my opinion so thinking of all the movies that i i i could pick the handful of them that i had to see in the theater. This is definitely in that list like it was just an event. Yeah like god damn it like in any given year before the pandemic i'll easily watch like over one hundred movies in a year in the theater the easily and this is the first year i wasn't able to do that but like this movie really stuck out for me so yeah. Christopher nolan la. Let's see here. What is our next. What have we got here director of the female actor of the year. Could we do another break. I know it. I know it. You're the guest direct. I knew it. Yeah we'll take another break. We'll be very big all right. Hey we are back. Jake did enjoy a little break. There buddy are jordan. A lot different person do the too long load over an hour. You could listen. Everyone else was a giant push. I was the one that spoke up. As soon as i'd everyone else's like now i know you're all fucking plus i'm the fucking hero but the rest of the guests hotel hero of the year twenty twenty one market down fucking with you guys all right. What have we got now. We got female actor of the year. That fucking bumper here. We go after the year. All right start off with you paul. Do you have any honorable. Mentions i do. I do so sarah paulson for both rachid and run. I thought she was great. Carol kane to me kind of stole the show in the tv show hunters so she makes my list. I got charlotte. Nikko for poppy. And mythic quest kristen malati from both her amazing one episode in mythic. also in palm springs christina. Applegate just absolutely killed again in dead to me. I a- cash my villain of the year just absolutely was amazing at being such character kate mara from a teacher. is a honorable mention. Then i catherine o'hare in anti murphy from shits creek for just doing fantastic so lists from uncle frank. Sorry juno temple from ted lasso. Allison brie from beau jack. Horsemen hannah awarding. Hand from last so. I only saw one episode. But i got journey. Small lay for lovecraft country. Then the two leads from unprecedent. Hailu richardson and barbie ferreria. So i fucking love her. She was a new. If you've never seen you for yeah. She's so good and euphoria. I have heard that. Yeah i have. I have heard that those are my was my albert mentions. This was the one that gave me the most trouble but My third runner-up is sophie. Oaken nato from ratchet. she just plays. She does a great job of depicting multiple split personalities. A my second runner up is linda cardellini from dead to me. I'm just i just. She is one of my all time favorite actresses and this has clearly change all throughout today but my first runner up is sydney flanagan The lead from never rarely sometimes always. And it's i think it's fair like i think it's good to note that she has only has. She only has one credit in her entire career. And it's this movie. And i think she carried it amazingly for that being her only film credit she killed it. So how are my runners up. paul. I still have. I loved ed to me season one. I still have not jumped on season. Two all you need to jump on that did did he. Gave green lit for a final season. Three i believe so. I believe is a season three will be its final season. Why am i dragging my feet on season two. Paul i don't know man you just gotta lot to a bit. You watch a lot of stuff watch. I do watch a lot of stuff. You're absolutely right. I watch a lot of stuff. I just loved that first season. I thought both of them are fantastic. Christina applegate and. Linda cardellini doesn't cardellini. Doesn't it sound like the name of a pasta sauce that you would find in grocery shout so much like that that i knew you were going to say it. Sounds like right next to tolley. You've got cardellini full. I i had to practice so hard. Because i was on the episode where reviewed the first season and i said the last name wrong and dragged for it so it really made sure how how did you. How did you say her name. The original time. How did you fuck it out a lead. Dini something something fuck. He called her. Houdini jokes said and talked about how it sounds like pasta. So this is like deja vu. There's there's nothing new going on in this show. It's the same recycled bullshit jokes. J. f. celebration of it's a celebration of just me not being able to bring anything new to the table right every year. I'm just saying i'm showing up at the same bullshit side dish. Fucking green green green bean casserole. Brian is what they call me. I'm a little thanksgiving bitch. Beat that's absurd that hey fuck you. It's not it's not the best analogy ever but it was serviceable the delivery for be to set it like it was cute. I'm willing a bit. I say with my ass up in the air a week after you. Yeah hey rebecca. What do you got for your honorable mention sear for the best female actor the got lots of honorable mentions. I'm going to run through them pretty quickly. And then i've got two runners up in a way hold on it so the the one female feminist we have on the episode has a ton of honorable mentions for female actor of the year of what what i know. Don't know guys i'm shocked. Well at least. I didn't know me pick women directors this year. Oh my god. My god i was. You know you went. You went full natalie. Portman like you're at the fucking oscars that year like what the fuck is going on. I had a platform and i used it. I i did my did it. Fuck it. I couldn't tell you how many media feeds reporting on it. My house without you know pictures right now. Who do you. Who do you got for few actor so honorable mentions journeys smelly as black canarian birds of prey. Hold on is if fucking kristen. Wiig shows up in this list. Virtual grabbing fisticuffs. You can talk god. J. basco as cassandra cain and birds of prey. I thought she was a real standout in that movie. She was so charming. And like just real feisty as that character. And i thought she was a real standout in a big cast. I really enjoyed her performance Kiki lane in the old guard Are emma kovin. As lady diana spencer in the crown season four she really had diana's like mannerisms and movement down and they gave her like. They did her hair just like diana had they put her in these in these clothes. That you would. You could easily see diana wearing at that time period and men did she nail that character of diana spencer. Gillian anderson as margaret thatcher in the crown season for jillian anderson is approximately unrecognizable in that role. She looks like margaret thatcher. She sounds like margaret thatcher. She walks like her. She i mean people were raving about like gary oldman when he did that churchill movie. I agree that he really was absorbed into that role. But i think just as much credit should be given a gillian anderson for her work off season four. I love fucking gillian anderson. Let me throw this out there. I recently finished american gods season to american gods season. Three's coming out in on january tenth and it was a huge loss to season to to have her replaced as media. They brought it. Rebecca they brought in a new character called new media and so they replaced. Gillian anderson as media with new media. And it was it was. It was one of the most noticeable fucking things from season to that. I noticed not having gillian anderson there. She's such a fucking fantastic. After i thoroughly enjoyed all of season one of that show. And i did watch some of season two and i got far enough along that i. I know what you're talking to you about that. They replaced her character. And i was so disappointed. Yes i was. It was like a i was just such a letdown. Because she was so good in that see. And i couldn't believe they replayed why she left. She laughed show. I'm pretty sure she left the show. Because of the original showrunner not being partisan two seasons season three. I'm looking forward to it. I'm all caught up. I'm ready to go but my they've lost orlando jones now and season three. So we'll see ask. Yeah i catch up. Because i really loved that first season of american god back on it jump back on. I wanna watch season three. And i want to be caught up the pen ultimate episode in season two will blow you the fuck away okay. I'm so excited to watch okay. I'm gonna watch it one more person from the crown's helena. Bonham carter as princess margaret the queen's sister previously this character had been played by vanessa kirby in seasons one and two and now the characters being played by helena bonham carter for season three and four as they as the characters age up. They replace them with different actors rather than do like make up and stuff. She is so good in this role. She so dry she so biting and sarcastic but she managed to maintain her vulnerability and really just come across really convey to everybody. The sadness that princess margaret truly felt in her life of unfulfilled life and always living in the shadow of her sister. And it's a complex character. And i think she does an amazing job with it and then finally. I've got the two leads from the movie. Portrait of lady on fire adele haenel as as as kelly's and noemi merlots as marianne the to lead characters. They are on screen probably like they are ninety percent of the onscreen time of the movie and the chemistry between them is so organic and so authentic weather. How how they feel about each other in real life but as actors on the screen at the same time. I mean these. Two women carried this movie and they did an amazing job of it so those are all my honorable mentions First runner up is going to be cate. Blanchett's as forgotten honorable mention. Sorry real quick. Rose byrne as gloria steinem and mrs america I thought she portrayed that real life person incredibly well. First runner-up cate blanchett as phyllis schlafly and mrs america. This was a woman who fought against the equal rights amendment for women So like you you approach the show like what the fuck what are you talking about. How you almost are predisposed. Predisposed hate this person dislike her character and as the show goes on. You find yourself questioning. How do i really hate her or do i kind of understand where she's coming from. And then you kind of like wait a minute. How can i understand where she's coming from. And the show is so deep it really just kind of makes you question all that. I watched an episode recently a family of family ties. Yeah and alex played by michael. J. fox was against feminism and he was against god. What do they call that movement. I can't remember the the era the equal rights amendment. And he fucking and it was like. How did they get away with this show in the eighties like how how did you. How did everyone not hate. Alex p keaton in this episode rebecca. I was blown away. You gotta watch fucking episode. I couldn't believe it. I i'll watch it. I love family ties. I watched a lot of it growing up. But like i hit the reason why it got away with it was because there were plenty of women that we're actually against the era and you kind of hear that statement and you go. How can that be possible. But then you you hear their arguments they feel about certain things and you kind of understand. Why is it about the family. Falling apart. After traditional roles were were being abolished and shit. Some of it is that yes fucked up. I couldn't believe that family ties with fucking tack in. You also have the issue of like if you don't recognize that you're being oppressed. How do you react when someone tells you you're being oppressed it's like you've got scenes in mrs america where phyllis schlafly played by cate. Blanchett is like i don't need an amendment. tell me. I have equal rights as my husband but then in the next scene. She goes to her husband's office because she wants to take out a credit card and he has to sign for her. Because you couldn't take out a credit card is a woman until very recently mink. That's insane that in my lifetime. Women could not open. That could not have a credit card unless their husband co-signed it so it's like she doesn't but in her mind. Let's on oppression. It's just the way that it is. So how and then you've got the other spectrum of steinem who is like championing women's rights and how can these two women possibly see eye to eye and you get to incredible performances out of these women. And i'll stop hammering on about it but definitely watch mrs america. If you haven't it is such a good show balassa. That was a full on yarmur. It was. I admit i was scam ring but you know what i dropped off that off that show after the first episode. It sounds like i need to get back on it. Do the first episode is a bit of just a kind of inch a slow introduction to the whole thing but like you. I just got back on it. Okay really i love cate blanchett easing in this. My other runner-up is going to be married. Weisman from star trek discovery. She plays till league. This has grown so much from season. One to where we are now. Currently in season three tilley is now the first officer. She's captain seru number one and to watch this character now have to take on so many things. When when we met her in the first season there were people that hated this character. They felt like is she. I don't mean to be disrespectful but there were people who were saying like is she on the spectrum. Is that what we're supposed to believe about this character issue quirky. Is she annoying. What's her deal But we've watched until you go from such a divisive character to like such an incredibly strong character. I had definitely mentioned her for this. So that's my two runner runners up very cool to great fucking list rebecca. Thank you so much. I it i hard on this one. Thank you very good. I've got i've got a bunch of honorable. Mentions here leading up to my up first. Honorable mention is mariel. Heller as almo- wheatley in the queen's gambit. Wow she is a fantastic actor. But i mean and i saw that in this fucking season in this limited series. What a great actor she is but if you look at ana wheatley just just as long as her talent like not only is she a great actor but she's also a fantastic director. She's directed a couple of great movies. Here that i really enjoyed both of these movies have talked about on past episodes. She directed the diary of a teenage girl. And then she also directed melissa mccarthy in. Can you ever forgive me. And i didn't. I didn't wanna leave out those movies. Because like when you watch her in the queen's gambit she's fucking fantastic but like it's like she's so good at other things to marielle heller. She's a fantastic director. So i wanted to point out that. Not only issue a great actor but my god watch those movies. If you haven't seen them realized she directed stop those things. I had no idea jake. She is so super fucking talented. Like i loved her. In this in this limited series on the queen's gambit but like going back and thinking about like her directorial stuff. She's just as amazing. Zoey deutch as pegged doll in buffalo. If you wanna watch this movie you can watch it on hulu. I highly recommend it. She is so good in buffalo. And i also. He doesn't come up in my male actor of the year. But courtney is also really good in buffalo d- i a- cash a storm front and season two of the boys aubrey plaza as in bear. This is a movie that i knew had come out. I didn't get access to watch it until paul hook me up. Thank you paul. You're welcome dude. This may not be one of my favorite movies of the year. But i don't think that you should not watch black bear. I do think people should be watching black bear and i think aubrey plaza is fucking great in that movie. What an amazing performance by her in black. Bear diane lane as margaret blackledge. In let him go. This is the new. Was kevin costner's in this movie. I gave this a high taste it on on on the episode. I'm going to totally change my rating after thinking about this movie more. It's a tupperware of film and diane lane is one of the reasons that it is a tupperware glenn close in a movie. That's not perfect but she is awesome as hillbilly. Lg she is so good in that movie. jordan kristine seam n as caitlin slash harper in. We are who we are this. Is that show that. I talked about an hbo that no one is watching. But everyone should watch. I'm telling you it is fucking incredible rebecca. Please do yourself a favor and watch we are. We will watch this show. You have yes. I will watch the show. I'm telling you this is a show where i mean you've got a young. You've got a young girl who forms a friendship with a young boy and she can finally be herself and she's think she she. There's a part of her wants to live her life as as a as a as a teenage boy and then maybe as as a man. And it's this is such a fucking incredible movie and you're talking about this director who did call me by your name which was set in italy and then this is like this is definitely an american cast but it set on a on a american a us base. That's in italy. And i was just blown away by this martin scorsese's daughter. Francesca score. Says he is in this and she is super good in this fucking series. It's really good. My last honorable mention is rosie. O'donnell as lisa shafir. And i know this much is true. This is another. Hbo show the mark. Ruffalo series. Oh my god rosie. O'donnell is so fucking good. In this. I i mean i can. I don't know. I don't know how people feel about rosie o'donnell i don't follow everything that she's had some issues or whatever. I don't know. I thought she was fucking great in this series. She was so fucking amazing in this series. She's my last honorable mention I've got two runners up carey mulligan as cassie in promising young woman. This is the movie that everyone needs to start watching and twenty twenty one if you can find a way to watch promising. It's out in theaters. If you can find a way to watch promising young woman please do yourself a favor. Much fucking movie carey. Mulligan is phenomenal in it. Number two is viola davis as moll rainy in ma rainey's black bottom. Oh my god so good see is so phenomenal as moreni in this movie i loved marin he's black bar who on the podcast. This watch this movie. Please tell me someone has. I haven't seen it yet. I feel terrible. That i haven't but i have not watched this movie. Yeah i need to see this ever so much. Good things about chadwick boseman. Its appearance in it. Shame on all up. You know. I ring the bell. I guess ring. The game of thrones shame bell. Please please do yourself a favor. Watch rainey's black bottom. Viola davis perform is absolutely amazing. All right let's get to our winters female accurately year. I have some runner ups myself. Who you runner ups. I have three runner ups before we get to the the winter. I wanna give my third runner up to katie sack off as boca john and the mandalorian. I just think it's really fucking awesome that this was a character that she voiced an animated series and then almost a decade later she actually gets to bring to real life in a live action series and i thought she pulled it off. Well i just think that's really fucking cool. How that all worked out for her. I know she's a big fan. I don't think that's something she ever expected to play as a live action character tickets. Really fucking cool. My second runner up. Is lauren laugh kiss for the wrong. Macy this is a movie on paper. That should have just been dumb as fuck. But i thought it was elevated to another level. By how just fucking hilarious foreign lap gets was in this role. She stole this movie for me. And i don't know if this would have been a good movie with any other actress doing this doing this kind of stuff and my first runner-up is marisa. Tomei from king of staten island. She played pete davidson. Mom in this movie and in many ways i thought was the heart of this movie and just performance. She gave in dealing with the patients of her buccaneer delinquent son and all this stuff he was doing and not doing such a level of patients and temperament and i just thought this character of is just so great in this movie so those are my three runner ups nice. Yeah lauren laptops man. I love that choice then. Yeah i think it's still cool. I don't. I don't know if any of us had any repeat choices on october mentions runner ups on this category. So i think that's really off. I think some of it is like we all watch different things. Like i didn't watch the. I haven't watched the crown. I haven't watched any of the crown to be quite honest with you. So yeah yeah. I've seen it out of the corner. I'm just loves that show. Yeah all right. Who is our number one female. Paul yeah i guess i'm gonna break a everything and i'm gonna do a repeat but i'm going with aubrey plaza as alison and black bear. She's so good. Dude is not a perfect movie but it doesn't even matter because whatever she she just commands your attention. She can go from laughing to just having a full out mental breakdown and following her as you know april lead gate to now seen her just fucking she toured a forest and i was just completely blown away by it so aubrey plaza is. My female dude. Does that movie. Not demand like a discussion afterwards. Dude yeah it does I've had nobody to talk to. That's one of those things even on this episode. we can't really spoil it but like no the closest thing that i can kind of compare it to. Oh i don't even want to compare it twists in this movie and then there's definitely a discussion that that's to be had after you watch black bear of like it's one that's going to stick with you for a while. Yeah yeah yeah but she is. She's she's the best in it. So yeah she's the easy with she's so god she's so good paul she's show. Yeah yeah Rebecca who's your number one. Can you imagine if i said it was. Kristen witnessed cheetah. I'm going to. I'm going to. I kept that. I keep thinking to myself that she was one of your honorable. Mentions and you just said fuck it. I'm not handled. I'm not gonna even try to take brian on my imagination. She crossed it off the list. I do yeah one hundred percent like she was there and rebecca is like. I'm not even gonna go there with this motherfucker this. I'm not worth it for an hour. It's not like pick and choose my battles and this is not one of them right now. Neither confirm nor deny that. It's true for real mind. Number one pick is going to be on your tiller joy as emma in the movie emma. So yes it's definitely. A jane austen adaptation. Which may some people may be like. That's not for me fair enough but it. The character of emma is on the surface of very silly character. She just seems to be like a very almost empty headed girl who just spends her day. Doing stupid shit like like matchmaking. Her friends and But at the core of emma is a person who is longing to find someone who is her equal so that she can try to have a somewhat of a relationship and it's the story of her trying to find that person but also being ready to say well. If i don't find you know the guy that is worthy of me as a person then. I'll be single for the rest of my life. Because i'd rather do that than and be with someone who's not who's not for me. I think that she does a really great job of bringing depth to this character. And i also think that she does a great job of of just having this multilayered performance. I really love her. Work on you tiller joy. I think she should be more things. I want her to be at everything and i really love her and emma. And if you haven't seen emma. I really recommend you see. It's got some beautiful costume if your intellect costumes in period pieces and even if you're not i would say go out on a limb and give this movie a shot because it's really got a very modern feel and they think her performance is just absolutely stand out here number one. I'm going to edit this so that it's you just talking about kristen. Wig in wonder woman they just take material from the wonder woman right number two number two. Is this emma. I did not see this. I remember when it was in theaters had ample time to watch this in theaters and i did not watch it. Is this available on hulu. I want to say yes. It is a possibility that it's available on hulu if not it might be on amazon prime. I'm going to have to check. Rebecca now it on. Hbo mex- it's on hbo. Max people you can watch spear max you can watch it if have a subscription mac. This look like a comedy when you watch the trailers. Yeah i mean. The story of emma is is a it is a comedy. It's not as heavy as some of jason's other works. I would say it definitely is presented as more of a comedy. Jake would you with me if i said that the name. Emma sounds like an old lady's name but also a name that women today would like to name their young babies. Like it's coming back. I would agree with that. I mean you're the most like professional people to ask when it comes to that time stone. That is interesting dude. I totally think it sounds like an old lady name. But on the flip side like twenty twenty one bringing it back for young little babies two thousand and thirteen. Emma was the third choice for hazel. So dad's definitely a really paul. That was that was the third choice to name your daughter ariel first. And then something happened. Cleveland that we're like fuck that and then it was then we read brian. K vaughan's saga and named her. After heysel. i thought you named after the one thousand nine hundred fifty sitcom hazel after that. What are you guys familiar with the hazel sitcom. Yes okay all right thank you. Yeah after the bugs bunny villain which hazel because for like for like two years we were asked if we named her after that nineteen fifties. Tv show totally. That's what we did. She was the made on this show before mr belvedere or something. I don't know if i ever have a kid. I'm going to name my child mr belvedere. That's the kid's name like like. I'm not leaving the mr out. That's part of the name. It's going to be mr belvedere. All one word that's amazing. Yeah citing jake. Who's your number one. My number one is also on you. Taylor joy for queen's gambit for new mutants for 'em just for new mutants at just for all year. I thought she did find in that movie. It's her whole elevating year. I'm giving it to her for god. Jake i like the respect level that i had for you celebration right. Aubrey solely for mutants. But that it's just you know. I guess she was the best part of new mutants right. Oh easily easily easily. So yeah i just gotta give it. I mean i don't know what more i can say that. Rebecca you just such a breakout year fron. Yeah can't wait to see what's coming in two thousand and twenty one. Hopefully there is stuff coming for. I don't know if she got shut down and you know participating in filming anymore shows or movies in the upcoming year. Bring her back as magic in doctor. Strange in a multi verse of madness. Make it happen yeah. That's the place to do it either there or the spiderman movie where everyone apparently welcome everybody's showing up in spiderman. Jesus christ fighter man three. I didn't want to say anything but it's been confirmed. I am now in spiderman. Rebecca was your inspiring. Guess what guess. Billy mays from oxy clean who died fucking ten years ago together. It's gonna be interesting every anchor from twenty twenty. It's going to make their return. It was his last role before he passed in july. God fucking everybody's coming back spider man. Three somehow returned which earned despite alfred. Alfred molina was in talked about promising young woman. Alfred molina is in that movie. He play dr atkins spiderman to safely dock can cross z. Is fucking crazy with the. Fcc is doing bro. they're really branching out my number one. My number one. Female actor of the year is taylor. Joy as beth harmon in the queen's gambit fucking think. She's just phenomenal. She's she's got like this doesn't she have like a classic hollywood look to her. Jake completely agree. I completely agree. I just can't stop thinking about how we wouldn't have. Paul on this episode of would have been clean sweep frontier taylor joy everything up. He fucking. he's got to got to bring up. Aubrey plaza plasma fucking ads. She was so good. You don't you. Don't my favorite lives. My favorite plaza though is nakagomi plaza from diehard offices. I not see that come out of the year. Check this out. Check this out for fucking hallmark card for like the like for a hallmark card. A picture of fucking. Alan rickman fallen off knocking tom. Nakagomi plaza and underneath. It says i'm falling for you. Yes yes that's fucking awesome isn't it. Yeah needs to move. Needs to be one of those moving cards. Oh totally totally now on. You taylor joy as beth. Harm in the queen's gambit. I'm been a fan of hers since thoroughbreds. I loved her and thoroughbreds. And i've always wanted to see her explode as an actor after watching thorough thoroughbreds and to see her in the queen's gambit she was just absolutely phenomenal. I can't get that performance out of my goddamn brains. You so goddamn good. Best male actor of the year after phil you. Paul talk to me who your honorable mentions man. This one is also very tough. Rebecca's seeing this and we might have very different picks for this one but from when i think about the trial of the chicago seven. They had so much talent but there was two performances. That just really jumped out at me for an honorable mention. That has jeremy strong. And sasha baron cohen in a movie just full of so much talent close two guys just kinda stole the movie for you know from like mark rylance and franklin ghia. I got robbie at mel for upload. I thought he was really charming. That he's great. I think out of the out of the two to. They're not brothers their cousins. But on the to mel's robbie is like the is the better of the two in my opinion when it comes to acting stephen. The other one steven is cousin. Yes i've never seen the other guy but he's the better one he's stephen guy from stevens the guy from aero jake. Yeah i stand by what i said. He and he was fucking casey jones in the. You're out of your fucking mind. Jake and feuded with stardust dust w. e. Come on man. You're out of your mind jack. you're out of your fucking mind. Robbie is so much better. Yeah i know i agree. Okay i thought you were disagreeing. I thought you were saying only seen stephen. But i already know that. What you're saying is true. Okay you've never. God dammit you like robbie is so good. I loved him in Did you ever. did you watch the movie. The duff does it made it ugly fat friend. Movie data yes. He was so good in that movie. He was also desperadoes. Year out desperadoes. This garbage book is absolutely terrible. At the sequel to the robert rodriguez plastic now. Now it's not. No they have a kid named logan ryan phillippe knowing that was the funniest part of that movie. Man okay. i'm gonna keep going here. I got jim. Parsons from hollywood J. k. simmons from palm springs. You really loved his arc in that movie. I thought jack. Weight and karl urban. We're just amazing. Not yes ethan. Hawke i know. Jake hit on it ethan. Hawke is doing some of his best stuff in the good lord bird. Paul bet ni for uncle. Frank you so good in that movie. I loved uncle frank. Dude yeah i gotta half. Murray abraham from mythic less just loved how he was. He was the guy at pro scripts from the game. That just didn't notify jake. Johnson from mythic quest and hoops. Andre brower from brooklyn. Nine nine nick robinson who's getting a lot of work but i loved him in teacher talking. He was good in love. Simon while he was i've been i've been a big fan of nick robinson. I'm waiting for this kid. To blow the fuck up. Like he started off and melissa and joey the fucking melissa joan hart joey lawrence fucking abc family show. And i could tell like this kid. There was something special with him. And then he gets that gig in fucking drastic world in like. He wasn't the best part of that movie. But i think nick robinson is a fucking phenomenal actor. Yeah he's he was fantastic and this is his best work to date night. Do love love simon but he just put on. He put on a clinic in here. I do got pete davidson for the king. Staten island ben wishaw playing rabbi in the fourth season of the fourth season of fargo which was absolutely phenomenal. Pedro pascall mandalorian is named jihai diallo in charm. City kings. I thought he was fantastic as mouse just put on a great show last honorable. Mention is jason dak- says ted lasso. Oh i'm sorry Anthony star to in the boys for the runners up. I got peter mc dc as wall lead in uncle frank. Paul brittany was great but his boyfriend played by peter. Mckenzie just loved him. He was so fucking fantastic in that movie. I loved him so much. If i seriously if i was gay. That's the guy i want to date. Exactly he was so he was so amazing. In that movie of my second runner up this one was off. I have purposely tried to stay away from the king of staten island. Being the son of a deceased fireman. I knew was going to be tough. But man dude. Bill burr as my son or up for The king of staten island. That was he was pretty much played. My dad had movie really hit close to home but bill burr was just you know he was the flawed character that just wanted to do the right thing and he was looking out for the people that he cares about and it was just. Yeah bill burr did a did a great fucking job in the king. staten island. how can how can people not like. Paul time hosts. He loves politics. Everyone loves paul. Like how could anyone not like. I understand why people have such a hatred for me. i. I'll give out gift call this. He's he's better than the alien movie named paul. What jake. I will take it. You're better than the simon pegg movie from fucking the seven or eight years ago or whatever the fuck right. Yeah leagues ahead of that. Well i appreciate that. But not as good as the parrot. In the movie paulie i. I totally understand data. You're not as good as polly from rocky. I know just sure guy. Come on dude you just come on these the news but my first runner up is adam brody and the kid detect. Thank you at that movie. Come from it such a hilarious yet really fucking dark twisted ruby so everyone needs to experience that yeah. Yeah oh god please. Everybody watched the kid detective. Make sure that you watch the kid detective. I am not even kidding you. This movie came out of nowhere. I absolutely great choice. Ball thank choice. Rebecca what he got for best male actor of the year. I got a couple of honorable. Mentions here michael. Jordan is bryan stevenson. And just mercy a this. One is kind of a weird one colin farrell. As coach from the movie gentleman. But i didn't really care for that movie that much. I have so much respect for you right now. Rebecca oh my god thank you. I know your thoughts on this movie. I've seen your thoughts on here. Oh my god. I have so much respect for you right now. Thank you thank you. I know i know your thoughts on this movie but like like this is also like rebecca. This is like game recognizing game. You know what i mean. One hundred percent. Oh my god go going. I apologize fucking your rebecca. Your fucking awesome. Don't forget we still have comic book. Movie of the i know yes so the gentleman. I was not a big fan of this movie to be there. I am not a fan of a lot of guy ritchie's work i felt like this. If you've seen and you know what if you wanna ask me you asked me. I feel like if you've seen one guy ritchie seen them all. I'm kind of in that camp but in a movie full of performances just like rolling my eyes at at a movie that i was just like. Why did i watch this movie. Colin farrell is coach. Really stood out to me. He plays a character of a guy who takes in kids from the street and they they love him like they these kids would give their life for him and when some of his kids get into some trouble he gets involved to try to get them out of trouble and his screen. Time is limited in the movie compared to everybody else but in a movie that i just thought was a whatever movie i thought. He had a very standout performance. And it really surprised me for colin farrell. Because it's colin farrell. i'm cooking. I am an all of you right now. I'm not even this is. This is not hyperbole. I am fucking like your own god rebecca. Seriously this is why i have you on these episodes. Oh my gosh. Thank you so for choices like this. Because i know this is hard for you because i know this is not like your favorite movie but you recognize colin farrell's i. I will absolutely say that in a movie that i did not like he. I liked him in that movie. Oh my record your fucking awesome you are you are the fucking cleanable leftover army right now to me. Okay i can't. I can't say this enough like i am blown away right now by fucking your your choices. You're awesome thank you. Well thank you. Let's see a couple more here. A pedro pascal as the mandalorian really enjoyed his work. Of course Doug jones is captain seru and star trek discovery. Doug jones has made an entire career of playing like the creature in so many films. And you kind of heat. Does it here again. In in discovery he wears like this crazy. These crazy shoes or feet prosthetic whatever. They're called the yes to wear for his character and the way that he has again evolved from season one two now but especially this season. He's just killing it as captain seru on discovery. I really really really like like. I really love his work in that role jason stakes as had lasso. And i just wanna show paul. I really appreciate that. You gave an honorable mention to sasha baron cohen in the trial of chicago seven because when it comes to sasha baron cowan i feel like he's like a jack black type character if it's just a little bit too much it's way too much and he surprised me in that movie of how good he was in that role and he was played such he played the character by funny sarcastic and serious. I thought he did a great job. I'm so glad that you brought that out. and then. I have two runner ups here. Chris evans is anti barber. In defending jacob defending jacob and i said it a set up before i think it's some of his. I think it's his best work. Since doing captain america and i loved him and knives out but i still think this is his best work. Since since leaving the role of captain america. I gotta finish that series. Rebecca who got to know it is so good playing the character he plays a. Da in boston. His son is accused of a crime and the thing and it really becomes what will apparent due to save their child and he willie cross certain lines or won't he and he's got pressure from his wife. He's got pressure from the community. The sun is keeping secrets. I mean there's it's such a complex role it would be easy to just let it fall into a trophy thing. But i think he does a really great job of playing a character and it's such a serious role i just. I can't praise enough if you've got apple tv. I really highly recommend defending jacob as a miniseries to watch my other. Runner-up is going to be sir. Patrick stewart for sean. Look picard gushed about card earlier. So i won't do that again but just watching him slip right back into that role but as an older and a different man is just a treat. It's a it's a. He's putting on shows fucking acting clinic on that show. I absolutely love him as your only picard and That's it for all my runners up. Oh my god you. You'd never cease to amaze me. I'm not gonna fucking joking right now jake. I'm fucking aw blues sincere the entire time you never cease to amaze me this is. I'm i'm not even kidding you rebecca. You're amazing these. Those are great choices. And i know i know. I don't fucking like the gush gaw like ou live here. I am doing it. I'm fucking like. I can't believe that i have such an amazing fucking friend. That's just so that that's critical but also fuck and recognizes. Just greytown is fucking awesome. Jake what are you got. I've got three runner ups. Admiral mitch and i'm gonna throw my honorable mention in the middle. Here you'll see why my third runner-up is going to ethan. Hawke for good lord bird. I thought it was career defining performance on a show that i don't think many people even ever see so we brought it up quite a bit here able need to watch it. It's fucking great. It's worth showtime subscription. I think just for good lord berg get it for a month series and then get rid of and then fucking wait for halo to come out with fucking pablo fucking schreiber. The halo is going to be. Whether it's good or bad it's going to be an event. Gotta watch it. It's an event absolutely. My second runner up is going to be john. Winston who played mouse in charm city kings. Thanks paul brought this up as our mentioned to He was just so good he he just carried this movie so well. And i'm going to bring up my honorable mention now who is on meek mill who played blacks in charm city kings as well. I thought that was just such an amazing character that was driven by the performance. You kind of thought. He was a giant scumbag at the beginning and he turns out to be something completely different by the end. So just a great performance and my my first runner-up is going to be resume for the sound of metal yet. How thick you. Oh my god thank you. I have upgraded this movie to a temporary. I watched it a second time. We asked her reviewed. It just had revisit it and yeah man to sound mixing in this fucking movie too if we did. We know we don't technical awards but if we did a sound mixing award that the tupperware would go to south of metal. Just bucket amazing sound mixing in his name but yeah what a fucking performance in this movie. God resume was fucking incredible incentive metal. Paul have you seen sound of metal. I have not. I'm so pissed about that. i have not seen it. no rebecca. no i'm sorry. I haven't seen as amazon prime. Get on that shit. I'm not kidding. It is phenomenal. it should not be left out of any conversation of twenty twenty sound of metals. A fantastic movie. I've got some honorable. Mentions first animal. Mansion is going to be jason's today. Ted lasso intead lasso on apple tv. Plus jesus christ. We've been sucking this guy's dick the entire fucking episode. Tom pelfrey as ben davis on ozark season three. Oh my god. I surprised that ozark season three didn't come up for best tv show. I didn't even bring it up myself. But i loved tom. Pelfrey as ben davis in ozark season. Three i love tom. Pelfrey the best part of the iron fist series both seasons mark ruffalo as both dominic antagonised birdseye in. Hbo's i know this much is true. Colin farrell has coach in the gentlemen. Rebecca i was blown away because like i know your thoughts on this movie like like i follow me on twitter and i've seen and i know that you aren't the biggest fan of the movie. And then you're not a big fan of guy ritchie. But i thought colin farrell put on a clinic in that movie. He was fantastic so every time he's on screen. You can't help but be like oh my god. I can't believe this is colin farrell. Yeah like this hiding. Well i haven't really been blown away by colin farrell performance since his first movie that i remember watching tiger land. I love tiger land. If you've never seen tiger land do yourself a favor and watch tiger land. It is an incredible movie killing a sacred deer. No i haven't. That's a really weird movie. It's from the same director. That did lobster. I think the lobster lobster. He has like a. I think he's he's greek is a. I'm blanking on the director's name. That movie's really weird but colin farrell and he plays a very interesting character. You might want to check that out. The most of the most greek name that i can think of is popadopoulos from webster. George popper lists that but it is an odd movie and it's it's it's purposely done that way like the director makes odd films but like i think his performance and they're very interesting. I love and it's worth checking it out. I love mediterranean foods. Me too i love euros but not only euros. But i love just like all the different oils and stuff that they put on like the foods. It's good for your skin. It's really good for your skin. People my last honorable mention is resume head as rubin in of metal. This movie is phenomenal. And razon mad elevates this movie to an amazing level. I loved. Resign met in this. I've got to runners up number. My first runner-up is going to be jack dylan. Grazer as frazier in. We are who we are. And i can't again. I cannot stress enough. This is the show on. Hbo that no one's watching. That should be talking about. It is phenomenal and jack dylan grazer. You'll remember him as billy batson friend in the she's zam movie the the young kid that had like the the crutches that he would walk on. Okay wait a bit too. Right is it. Yeah i think the one that says like those are fucking gazebos. He's the one he's like he's like what is it. What is it that member faith. no more. that's i'm thinking of a song from faith. No more from nineteen eighty-nine with the fuck jake. What happened to you can have yet again. His but you can agree. Added jack dylan grazer number two. My my next runner-up ben affleck as jack cunningham. In the way back this follows alcoholic construction worker. Who is recruited a head coach of the basketball team at the high school. He was attending and he threw it all away. He threw away his fucking college career and his future maybe as an nba hopeful and comes back to the team to coach. It's an underdog story. And he comes back and he coaches the team. That hasn't made it to like the The playoffs and the you know the state championships since he was since he was a student since he played the game. Ben affleck was amazing in this movie. And i know that you know. Ben affleck has not always had like the best performances and stuff. I mean we can talk about was. What was that movie gone baby gone. What was it. Jake girl gone girl gone girl gone baby. Gone a guy go. We can talk about gone girl and like he wasn't the best part of gone girl but he was still good but like this. Ben affleck was fucking incredible in the way back. I saw this and the theater early in the year. I think back in early march. And i was blown away by his performance and it really stuck with me throughout the entire year. This was really hard for me to it was it was. It was wild to put him before. Like rao resigned mad. And some of these other people that i've mentioned before even jack dylan grazer from fraser s. Fraser and we are who we are. But ben affleck's performance as jack cunningham in the way back was absolutely phenomenal. So i've got to give it up the ben affleck. I think he did a great job in that movie. It's one of my favorite movies of this year. And it's on hbo. Max if you have not seen this. I would highly recommend it if you love underdog stories if you love basketball highly recommend that you watch the way back is really good. Let's get to our best male actor of the year. Paul who got. Yeah i this would took me by surprise but it was a performance. I could not shake it. This movie came out perfectly when Quarantine was kind of in full swing. And i remember just being a fan of the lonely island and serenade live and then watching to see him just go told andre brower male actor of the year is andy sandberg for palm springs. I think it was a tough. You know like when you hear the synopsis you automatically get groundhog day in your head and the charm that he had in that while still being so serious of his situation just i could not stop like wind to see what he was going to do in that movie and his whole scene with him in. Jk simmons at the end at his house. I don't know what like you know. I've always been a fan of the dick in the box but to see him. Just kinda come full circle to now being like a pretty goddamn good actor. I gotta give it to andy sandberg as my after the year. How all that's awesome. I'm shocked. Wow that's a. Bold choisir is a great movie rebecca. Who would you give it to my number. One is going to be george mackay as lance corporal scofield in nineteen seventeen You know there's so many good performances to pick from this year but his performance just stuck with me like when i when i wrote notes on nineteen seventeen when i saw it at the late last year i went back to those notes and the thing that just stood out to me was how often i talked about this guy and this character and this actor and and what his performance meant to me and i had to give it to him. I hope we see this guy in more stuff. Because i just thought he did such an amazing job. He's onscreen by himself a lot of the movie or even just interacting with other characters very minimally. He's really the guy who's carrying a lot of this movie and he did it. I mean he did an amazing job of it. So yeah he's my number one number one awesome j. cudi yet. I've got bill burr for my actor of the year for both king. Staten island and the mandalorian. I just i mean i. Honestly i hope he gets the nomination for real like a real oscar nomination for at least king of staten island. He was just so good in that movie. His honestly brought me to tears. And i don't even have anywhere near the connection to this story. That paul has but yeah. Just what a fucking moving performance and yeah i mean you kind of brought it up talking about him in the mandalorian earlier where you know. He's a villain in season one but maybe the biggest hero of season two and just the look in his eyes dirt that whole scene when they're having coffee or whatever with the other imperial officer and just the look on his face. You know kind of getting that. Ptsd going on and just what a fucking performance like. He doesn't even have any lines. You can see exactly what's happening inside of this character spring if you're not what if you're not listening to the monday morning podcast with bill barr. You're missing out. You're missing out. You are missing out he. It's a one man podcast. Every once in a while have somebody on with a lot of times. He'll have his wife on with them. And paul do you listen. Yeah i haven't listened to anything recently. But yeah i always used to love lucena at work where he would just kind of go on his screaming. Were for a while. But jake fucking great. Pick man honestly. I've never even been big. I don't dislike bill burr by any means. But i've never been one of my favorite comedians and it's taken me by surprise how much i've enjoyed his acting in the last year and a half. He is probably my favorite standup comic working today. I don't blame you. i don't blame you. Interest has never been my cup of tea. So i i wasn't preconditioned. Just love this guy when he started doing these these acting jobs. He's now he's got. He's got a beautiful wife and now he's got family. Recently had a child and everything. And i love listening to the monday morning podcasts. I i don't even follow football when he starts talking about football. I fucking get a kick out of it. The same thing with daniel tosh like daniel tosh talk about should. I don't follow football. But just their passion for it. I love. I love bill burr. That's a great fucking pick. I love it. I fucking love it also great. My number one pick is going to be Chadwick boseman levied from rainey's black bottom. This is the last year that i'll ever be able to choose chadwick boseman for anything. Yeah we'll get a little bit of voice acting from him next year. What if series sino to the level of what he did in marinas black bottom most likely not right. I mean it's gonna. It's probably going to devastate me. Hearing him and stuff like that but like his performance in marange black bottom was just absolutely incredible. And if you know the scene you know exactly what. I'm talking about where he's talking about past and he's talking about you. Know like the the men coming into his home and the scene with his mother and stuff like that like it is one of the most incredibly acted scenes and to think that this guy put on this performance knowing in the back of his head that he might not win. This battle with pancreatic cancer is just like how in the world did this guy have the year that he had with the five bloods and then this and just just this guy has just taken from us way too fucking soon he is my black panther any will be my back black panther. I don't care who they cast is the next black panther to take over the mantle chadwick. Boseman is mike king of and he always will be and he was just masterful in marines black bottom and this is a movie that anybody can watch right now on. Netflix and i highly recommend that as soon as this as soon as you stop listening to this episode that you get on netflixing you give this a chance. You're going to see some amazing performances in that in that movie. It's it's it's really it's really awesome. It's really good so chadwick. Boseman is my is my male actor of the year. I somebody got something to say. No no right cool. let's move. We got two more we got. We got two more left. Let's Let's knock these at best comic book movie of the year top cultural comic year. Big man take that away. What are you genius. Billionaire playboy philanthropist. Truth and justice the american way too to tell all your friends about me other than our comic books elections. This is probably the saddest category of the fucking year and easily right. We don't have an endgame. You know what i mean. So let's do it. What do you got paul. I just have a runner. I've only seen three comics. We did you watch them all of this morning. No i didn't shake shake you rascal you you little scampi runner up. I've only seen three. So i have a runner up in a winner so my runner up red sun the animated superman movie. I had a you know. I'm not the biggest superman guy. We've seen the whole f thing of him. Going to russia and batman really given it to him and his whole thing with wonder woman. It was just a lot of fun to watch. The red sun is my runner up for neither go rebecca. I have a. I have one honorable mention. And i've got one runner up honorable mention. I'm gonna give it to the old guard on net flicks the movie based on the graphic novel of the same name by greg rutta I thought it was a really great story. I do enjoy greg records. Writing and i thought the performances were very good. I mean not sort of your typical comic book movie. Listen carol movie. But i thought for a movie based on the graphic novel comic. I thought it was very good And my runner-up is wonder woman. Nine hundred eighty four. You don't want to elaborate a little bit more than one well jake. Bill is one of my favorite comic writers. I need to see red sun i. It's one of my fate. I've read the book multiple times. I owned the hardback of it. And i still haven't watched the animated movie tigger. You guys bringing up a couple of times now means they must've did it. Just it's really fucking good. Good i need to fuck a check that out a winner here. My runner-up is bloodshot. Surprise movies of the year honestly it was enjoyable. It all so fucking fine. I don't think we'll ever get a sequel. But i would sure be their opening night food. We did there are fucking articles that have come out within the past three weeks. They're still talking about a bloodshot sequel. Yeah i hope that's true. I think any chance it had got kind of destroyed by by the pandemic. it feels like so. I don't know maybe we'll get lucky kind of become a bigger classic in the next two three years and help like catapult that into reality and to all of that and to all the people that fucking hated bloodshot. Fuck you. that's all i'm gonna say. Cap their captain note by. Yeah like i honestly and some of the people that. I think hate bloodshot. I'm going to call yet. I don't think you fucking watched it so shut the shut the fuck up. Oh that's the worst. Same people that hate robert patents and for being bad. Thank you twyla eases fucking seizes sparkly vampire. He can't do batman. You fucking basic your basic pitch. Watch good times good time and shut the fuck up palsy right okay. Hey twilight for being twilight though one hundred percent fucking you. I want you to watch. I want you to fucking watch good time. And then i want you to watch highlife and then come back to me and tell me the fucking robert patents and can act and even robert pattinson hates light. Yeah thank you for c. Does of course does fucking good. Time was one of the fucking. I watched that movie. Based on neil's recommendation and i watched it this year and it's fucking phenomenal. And i went and saw. I went to the art theater and i saw highlife and that movie is one of the best fucking sci fi movies i've seen in a long time. It is so good. People are out of the goddamn minds for saying that robert pattinson can act as great and lighthouse to fuck the lighthouse. That movie can. I love that movie. That movie can eat my dick fuck. That movie. Goals can eager day celebration. What was fucked up about that movie. What was fucked up about the lighthouses like that movie like the when they kill the bird in that movie. I was driving home after seeing that movie. And i fuck my car. Hit a bird on the windshield on the way home. That is fucked up. It was backed up. Didn't make the movie any better. Say that much. My god fuck that movie. I hate them movie so much of that. Move my god celebration. It's needed housing. Nineteen yeah fuck that movie. You could shit on it all. You've talked a lighthouse. Jesus christ that movie. I've got two runners up the old guard. Rebecca you mentioned the old guard. I loved it. I thought it was really good. I thought it was a fantastic movie. I love greg rutta. I've met greg record at c. Two we to and had him sign. My copies of the old guard had him signed my copies of lazarus. I think greg put out the best fucking run and the punisher and i loved loved. The old guard can't wait for the sequel. Number two is going to be birds of prey with margot robbie and the rest of the cast. Their i did enjoy birds of prey. And i know not. Everybody liked birds of prey and everybody liked birds of prey. They didn't lifelock. They didn't like the birds of prey and not not fuck them. I mean i don't know. I love birds of prey. I love birds of prey. I thought it was a great fucking movie. Everybody's like where's batman throughout all this shit. Oh maybe we'll find out. Maybe we'll find out why batman was tied up and couldn't fuck in handle what was going on in gotham in blabbity blah but he blind just settle the fuck down. I loved it. I thought birds prey was a lot of fun. Let's get to our number one. Paul but your number one comic book movie of the year. It is the birds of prey in the fantabulous emancipate harley quinn first off. That movie made me so hungry with what should have been. The hero of the year is fucking egg sandwich. Oh my god it fuck an egg sandwich. Shoot you know like yeah like fuck the haters. I mean you know. She walks into the police station and still like if i can kind of movie. It was a fun time. Margot robbie had a lot of fun doing it. You could tell everyone liked it just had a. I had a blast watching the last movie. I saw in the theaters. But yeah i fucking love that movie so much movie here. Comic book movie of the year birds of prey. You're still calling it. The emancipation of one harley quinn. They changed they changed. that title. search just called birds of prey. I had to just because of the animated back cast because i would always purposely. Just try to say the name of movie as many times as like could i was. There was a dumb title and superstar being mansa patient of one heart. Fucking shit fuck great movie fucking terrible title rebecca number one number one. It's also birds of prey for me. I enjoyed that movie quite a lot. It was the last comic book movie theater this year. I thought you know. I don't think it's a perfect film but it was incredibly enjoyable and it was a fun. Watch i've watched it again. Since and i still like it. So that's my number one number one jake's going gonna give it to new mutants. I'm kidding jake. What are you gonna give it to number one. No i'm it to birds of prey as well. I absolutely loved this movie. I thought it was fantastic. You guys have pretty much said everything there is to say i will add. That movie has an amazing soundtrack as well Top to bottom to such great curated list of songs in this movie so yeah. Birds of prey detractor. Winter is not the quad winner. I knew because you already gave it a runner up so my winter pulled it up my my winter chat. Yes i don't blame you. It was it was a tough choice between the two shot. Had the better. The two villains for me. I loved i love. You know as much as i love you and mcgregor. I thought guy pearce was a fucking great villain in bloodshot. I loved him in pledge. I pledge that was so much fun for me. I saw it in the theater and i was just blown away by how much fun it was. I had a blast with bloodshot. I'm praying we get buck and sequel for this. I'm praying that we get a valiant universe. I wanna get a shadow man movie. I want to get an oh man. War movie i wanted all. Give it all to me. Give me the expanded universe for the valiant universe. I went to quantum and woody movie. I want it all. Give it all to me. But how fucking i loved. Bloodshot thought bloodshot was fine into all the haters. You can go fucking eat a dick. I fucking loved bloodshot bag of dick. Eat a bag addicts get it. Whatever man keypunch. I've talked about it i. I loved bloodshot shot. I thought it was a ton of fun. Vin diesel is great in it. I thought the twist was well done for a fucking for a movie. That should not be this movie. Had no right to be this good. And i love the fact. I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw out. You know what. I'm going to throw out props to my boys that i love. That loved this movie. Dan west and joe stark. Those boys they fucking love bloodshot and ugas bloodshot boys but blanche poice belie plus all right bloodshot boys boys with z boy. Let's jump into our sorry. Let's jump into the best movie of the year and we're going to end it with this one blessed maria the pop culture leftovers Spoilers my best move is not bloodshot. Okay let's get that out of the way. It is my best compact movie as my best movie of the year. what now. It's not even honorable mention category. Now i know. I know you know what i'm happy they'll is. I haven't. I haven't heard it yet. But i might here and now if somebody fucking gets on this episode and says bill and ted face the music. You're fucking dead to me if bucket one to do that and even i knew that wasn't there. Thank you paul. Jesus christ talk your fucking dead to me. If you see bill and ted face the music anyway all right. Let's jump into a honorable. Mentions in up officer with you paul. Yeah so. I know like like almost best actress and best director but never rarely sometimes always is an honorable mention. Because that's one. I can probably let me watch once in my lifetime. I got run. Because i had a great time with that with sarah. Paul does it was just such a great like you didn't have to think it had a really cool twist to it. Just there was tension the whole time. It was just so much fun. I am going to be that astle and say birds of prey is one of my movies of the year. Just because i had such a fun time with that it was such a blast was good to see margot robbie kinda redeemer so. Thank the people that didn't like that movie. Call it turds of pray. Now they do now kurds of way. Listen to you little miss moffett. Who sat on a tough it. I'm gonna start calling jake. Little miss him of it. That's all i got out of that along came a spider and sat down this cider. Go ahead sorry. Paul no no no. That's okay you know. I've said before that knives out might be one of the biggest unsolvable movies in our lifetime but the trial of the chicago. Seven is definitely in that conversation. Just such a stack cast in. You know aaron sorkin this directly and rating his really. You know mature script Trials chicago seven was a lot of fun in beckon. I kind of talk that the thing that really made it even better for me was just seen. Sasha baron cohen really fucking bring it really bring it to the level of like mark rylance and joseph levi that black bear on there and as i said before like i don't i don't know if i'd say it's technically a fantastic movie but man. It's one that like you just need to experience because it just has you thinking afterwards. In fact i almost wanted to rewatch. It's just kind of try to pick up on some things like oc- is is supposed to mean this. It's almost like i almost like attempted to do like a patriot episode for black bear. I would listen to talk about it and break it down for the people that have seen it. Yeah go ahead. yeah. I mean like just based on performance alone. Aubrey applauses worth the five ninety. Nine to rent it. She's fucking great in that king estate and the king. Staten island again. One that i've really tried to avoid. But i'm really glad i did. I love seeing lucia me who actually took a year or a couple years off of activism to go back to be new york firemen after september. Eleventh -als great to see him kind of be in his wheelhouse. Unprecedent was such a fun. Such a fun movie. I know that's weird to say about an abortion movie but it was just like the relationship between the two leads is fantastic on brian if you remember but the pine shop scene is one of my favorite movies. Yeah it's really good of twenty twenty. That i got i think like i'm pregnant and pregnant is one of those movies where it's like you watch fast times at ridgemont. High with the with the borsch. Seen and how like scary and dark like you know if you compare the the abortion seen in in fucking fast times at ridgemont high in how clinical and cold. It was compared to like the scene that you get in unprecedented. It's chew completely different experiences. And i i am glad you brought that up because like like i'm not going to get too much into a here but just like they kind of really explain. What's going to happen at the end. I thought was a very bold choice for a movie to do. And of course we got brecca. Meyer as crazy christian evangelist. Yeah here's the thing. Like i honestly i i much as i love fast times at ridgemont high. That movie still shames women in that scene for the choice that they make Am i crazy to think that the judge reinhold seen. I'm i'm talking about the scene. Where fucking he picks his sister up from the abortion clinic. All okay i think it shames women into makes that i don't know i i'm here. I am speaking as a guy. Like i don't know rebecca rebecca. Have you seen on pregnant. I have not it was. It was on my list of things i wanted to watch but i haven't watched it yet. But he hearing you all talk about. It is definitely i. It's always been on my radar. I would love to hear what you're so. I would love to hear your thoughts comparing the abortion seen in in fucking fast times at ridgemont high compared to the abortion seen in this movie. Because like i'm a guy. And i'm just like like You know like. I will never have that kind of personal connection to what a woman would feel. Or what would be going through while dealing with this kind of thing and i still feel like for as much as i love fast times at ridgemont high. I think it's a great movies. A great comedy. And i think it is tackling some like like serious issues back in the eighties. Fucking like i dunno. I in a way that even the sitcoms back then just didn't like a comical way like if you if you watch anything like that in a sitcom or they're trying to do with like anything serious there's still trying to make laughs out of it and shit sure but anyway like there's something there's still kind of like i feel like there's like this like there's like this shaming that's going on fast times at ridgemont high for like this young girl taking control and getting an abortion and i feel like there's the so much more being explored in an unprecedented to the fact. Why do these. Why do these girls have to go to these links and drive out of state. Yeah fucking do this. Why can't she do this in her own state. Why can't she do this. it's her body. Why does she have to like go to a state. where like you know. She doesn't have to bring her parents into this. And i dunno rebecca. I would love to hear your thoughts on this because like here. I am fucking just a dude. I would love to hear a woman's thoughts on the comparisons to fuck in fast times at ridgemont high abortion seen to the pregnant abortion. Seen i will. I will definitely move on pregnant to the top of the list here and i will i will. I wanted to watch it. I will definitely watch. And i'll try to get you my thoughts on that. I don't know. I just think pregnant handled it in such in such a way that it was it didn't feel shaming the girl. No okay whatever. I leaving care celebration like when that actually unfolds like i literally broke out ball but like i got teary like like and i'm thinking to myself. I off as a teacher. I think a movie like this needs to be played in health class in in school and this is without a doubt as a single father which is scary as fuck to a little girl. You better believe. This is a movie that we're going to sit down and watch when she's at that age i feel like such a great way to kind of have that conversation. And it's done between like this amazing this just like it's such a beautiful story because it's two people that were just the best of friends. I don't think that women should think like girls young girls who think that their life is over. Because of this no. I think that's the way it said that's the way it's set up. Though in this country is thicker. Life could be over because of this. And i mean think about all of the all of the all of the laws restricting. Thank you on on reproduction and women having i mean there if i as a healthy woman go to a doctor tomorrow and say hey dr i would like to have my tubes tied. I've decided don't want to have children. Depending on my age the doctor will not perform that surgery. They will say you may change your mind later. I won't do it if i married. There are states that i have to get my husband to sign off that. It's okay how i administrative my body that's wrong of course it's wrong. Of course it's wrong. Global needs to be said yes it has to be said because there are a lot of people that don't think that that's wrong. It's wrong plenty of people that don't believe that women should have autonomy over their own bodies and welcome to being a woman literally for fucking ever. Well this is. This is not. This is why we're fucking having girls not thinking there's a way out in fucking leaving their in dumpsters fucked up. I know it's fucking god. This is like a celebration of an episode deep shit right but seriously seriously man. It's like these are fucking. These are fucking kids. These are fucking these are children. I'm like i don't know man. I just want to. I want to see things. I want to see things change. I want to see movies. Be able to fuck in change the way that people feel in the way that we look at these think. This was a good first step. Yeah she with these two movies and if you think back to like you know never always some never sometimes murdy forgiveness but but but like a big cloud of that is that she's being lied to because the agendas of these clinics don't want her to have an abortion higher if you go here like rebekah. They've lied to her. They tell her she's only like seven weeks pregnant and then she goes to the place where she can't get it done. They're like oh wait. No you're like twelve weeks pregnant. God oh my god yeah. It gets pretty intense light to her or they make a mistake and they're like oh we one hundred percent lighter their lights are because they're like you know the christian backed like clinics and stuff like that but you know. Unprecedented definitely doesn't have that grim outlook. But it's a great way to just have you know again. I said i'm going to watch it with hazel. I just really. I just wanted to use. I just want women to be able to watch these movies in that. Feel bad about the decisions that they're making about their own bodies hundred percent hundred percent. I feel like there's certain things. There's certain things in media that. That and as for as much as i love times at ridgemont high. I think that that movie does. It does shame women and it makes it feel like it's like this evil thing that they're doing I mean you could certainly have a bigger discussion about how pretty much every movie in the eighties. Really portrayed things that happened to women like okay in this about abortion but like in the breakfast club which all lie people. Love that movie There's a scene where one of the one of the girls is is. She's touched in a way that she didn't consent to and it's played for a laugh and these are the movies. We all grew up watching a. Oh my gosh. It's such a coming of age story. And oh it's teenage experience awaits. Okay if you touch women you know on their volvos without their permission. It's hilarious. how they react. And there's a bigger discussion to be had there. Obviously but i am happy that in twenty twenty and going forward. We're having these movies that are making these discussions easier to have and to be able to bring it in a way that it's presented in form of a film or a tv series because rather than rather than like a political discussion but this is rather more of a social discussion of of women and their and their reproductive rights. So y- i have to watch this movie. Like i don't know why i haven't watched it. You've got to watch both of them. I think you should watch paul. She wants both one hundred percent. I absolutely will. I'm really glad that you you brought up so many times in this episode watch. Some places were so good. I would love to hear a woman's perspective on like all this. Well you know what was great. Brian is. I reviewed this movie on the scene. Cast and cindy was on. Yeah it was just a echoing. Everything that's been said in you know has because i am not a female and male but i really i think you know as a teacher and all this stuff you just want. You want your students and your kids to know that they're going to be loved and all that and you know they're safe options to do what you need to do. And i think that movie really present step but chicken myself because i forgot to actresses but my last honorable mention is happiest season. Which i thought was just such a fun film. I would've given mentions to kristen. Stewart and mackenzie davis for their performances in this and even replies it as a great job in this but my runners up my third runner-up is uncle frank. Which was just you know. Another very important Social issue that gets brought to light from the viewpoint of In the seventies and just how painful some people can be and how to get over. That number two is palm springs of fuck in had so much fun with that. I loved all the acting. I thought the story was a very awesome spin on the groundhog day. Really kind of made it seem scientifically possible if makes sense and then my first runner up is because you brian. The kid detective yes. That movie just came out of fucking nowhere. And i'm so happy sagoes able to experience that movie fantastic movie. Everybody needs to watch the kid. Detective i was this movie came out of nowhere and just blew me the fuck away. Rebecca honorable mentions and runners up for best movie of the year. Some honorable mentions here. Just mercy talked about that earlier trial of the chicago seven. I think that's definitely a matz. A must watch on netflix. And i didn't even think about this but it definitely kept popping up on lists of movies that were released in two thousand twenty hamilton on disney. plus I guess technically the movie. I would throw it out there as an honorable mention if you're even the casual fan of broadway or musicals Or if you're a fan of lin. Manuel miranda he wrote of the play and the wraps that are in it and he's stars in it. This is like the original cast spells in new york on broadway. Eight thousand years ago when we still could go to broadway and Yeah it's an absolutely really. I mean if you don't know about hamilton. I don't i don't know where you've living but you know it's it's the story of one of our founding fathers set to a rap style musical and He made the choice to cast all of the white founding fathers with actors who are people of color so black latinx necks Asian that was a choice he made as sort of the representation of all of the people of color who never had a voice Back when this country was founded. So but you know again. Beautiful beautiful lyrics beautiful performances. I think it's absolutely great. It's on disney. Plus you might as well watch it. You're paying to watch the mandalorian britain. I want to watch. I want wanna watch it when it comes to my town. Well you can wait if you want to wait. That's totally fine. But if you don't want to wait them watching on disney. And brian escape. I know when i saw digs man when i know i loved i loved digs. But here's the thing like i've i'm i'm one of those people that when i see musicals it's very hard for me to appreciate them when i watched them as they've been recorded like the only musical that i really love is as far as a movie is little shop of horrors every other musical that i've loved i've always seen it as a live performance and i'm talking about like spam a lot. You know the of mormon which. I saw wicked which i saw in two and so and so. Hamilton is one of those things that i've been dragging my feet on. Because i wanna see it even if it's not digs in it's not like the lin manuel miranda. I still want to see that as a live performance. Before i see that on disney plus. I got you if you want to hold off. That's fine but i would say for anyone out there who has not yet seen hamilton with like to It's absolutely a great Production yes one f-bomb and i think i'm concerned disney. Plus they've they actually which is hilarious as they play. Pay your pussy pussy disney talking pussies and i just got to two runners up here We've talked about these movies. Definitely emma with a on your tiller. George gotta see that rebecca. I it Am i other. Runner-up is portrait of a lady on fire. I cannot say enough. How good this movie is it is. It's a french film. I get it if you're not really into foreign films but the performances are so good and the story of these. Two women is beautiful and heartbreaking and beautiful again and and just go and watch and that's it for my runners up man french you. Would you recommend eating a bad yet while you watch it bottle of red wine. Drink a bottle of red wine. Eat a fucking bag while you watch it while you're at the fucking bag in the red wine with soak. That shit gave it a full french experience. Maybe wear a beret. Do some miming to it. Yeah striped shirt. Smoke a cigarette. Whatever you're gonna do next yes to read german. And oh my god for you. They're killed jake. What do you got for you guys. Happy fucking died for us. I've got some mentions in two runner ups. There's a couple docs. I wanted to bring up as honorable. Mentions i really loved class action park. I max issue so much fucking finds great. I'd be remiss. If i didn't bring up the beastie boys story on apple tv plus this was just one of the one of the feelgood movies of the year for me I've watched it like seven times. I absolutely love it. I don't think i liked it as much. The first time as i did like the fourth time. I watched it. But i i just put it on all the time now is just like a background moving. When i'm like playing video games or doing something else. I just absolutely love it. I wanna give sound of metal honorable mention. That movie just really won me over. I mean i. I've i know mutated the time i watched it but i was just a little man now. It's just like one of my favorites. So fucking god. It is so fucking good term city kings and to give an honorable mention to as well. It's one of those things that we brought up a lot of these kinds of things. This episode where. I don't think this is on very many people's radar and it's just just worth watching so it's worth bringing up three or four times throughout the episode in the hopes that other people will check this out. Charm city kings. Everybody watch it. It's on hbo. Max it is a fucking tupperware is so good fantastic My second runner up is ten. I've said already. I'm not the biggest nolan guy. I almost go into a nolan movie. Wanting to hate it so when i come out and i absolutely love it's it's well fucking deserved. It's my god damn it. I loved this movie. Tenets that nolan. Movie man i as hard as i wanted to go in and hate it and boy did i hate it for about the first forty five minutes and we all we all did. I think we all did jake butt. Yeah by the end of like mother around. Yeah and my first runner up that. I'm surprised i wasn't the only one to bring up all sprouted up at least a dozen times. I believe. Brian brought it up. Once palm springs fucking blew me away. It's it's easy to say you know a new. Take on groundhog day on paper. But it's so much more than that has so much harder and it. Such a hilarious and fun movie with a lot of poignant points during the nair through all the wacky -ness of the whole thing. Yeah palm springs is my first runner up. I was very close taking palm springs by winner. It was tough contest. Really oh my god. I'm dying here. Who you're fucking winner is jake. I'm i have no idea. I really don't. I don't know who you winners you're drinking. You won't be surprised what you hear it guide if i guide dammit if it's fucking wonder woman or saw i'm gonna blow my brain. I promise you it's not wonder woman or seoul. Okay thank you. Put the gun down i have. I have some honorable mentions palm springs. One of my bro- mentions. I loved that movie. It was a huge surprise to me how much i was going to palm springs and i highly recommend you get on hulu and watch palm springs immediately. Number two is gonna be unprecedent loved unprecedent one of the first like hbo. Max original movies. That i think just kind of like took me by surprise and i loved it. The kid detective hall budding. I love you boy. I love the fact that you love this movie. Oh my god dude it was. It gets so dark. But there's just some like i mean it's not giving away but wouldn't the kids like do you feel like a man slapping around a kid. Yeah to see this movie that might want to take away from this. Episode is watch kid in god. God jake i need to hear what you think about that. And once you watch the kid. Detective i implore you to listen to the snob cast episode. It's a podcast kevin. Smith does he interviews the director from the kid. Detective any interviews adam brody from the kid detective and it came out a few months ago and i watched the kid detective anyone to learn more about it. Listen to the episode of smyth cast. It's absolutely phenomenal. The king of staten island is another one of my honorable. Mentions i loved that movie. I love pete davidson. And i think you know what fuck it i think pete davidson given the right role and put into the right. Movie is a really good actor. Oh and bill burr. Yeah fucking standout. Loved him marinas. Black bottom is another honorable mention for me. I loved that movie promising. young woman. This film stars carey mulligan. Bo burnham bo burnham the director from eighth grade also a standup comic. I love him. Allison brie is. In this clancy brown jennifer coolidge laverne cox. Connie britton from friday night lights and it follows a woman who takes revenge against men have wrong and i compared this to the crow. It is an a fantastic revenge story. You've got cassie. she lives. she's thirty years old lives with her. Parents works at a coffee shop. She was previously in a medical school. She dropped out after her friend. Nina was raped and nobody believed her nina later committed suicide every weekend. Cassie goes to bars and pretends to be extremely intoxicated. Every time a man takes her home and tries to take advantage of her. She confronts them about their behavior and writes their names down in a notebook. This is a fucking awesome movie. It is incredible. It is that that's like a movie. I would write you. You knew love this movie. it's not a. it's not what i thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be like every time she gets these guys alone. She's going to go both dexter and murder them. That is not the case here. This movie is so much more and it is so powerful and it is awesome. I loved promising young woman. I'm also gonna throw into my honorable. Mentions the wrong missy. Jake nice. I did not forget about this movie. I loved this movie david. Spade lauren laptops hilarious. I loved this movie that it was so funny. Blood quantum if you have a shutter account watch blood quantum. This is a zombie apocalypse. Movie and people that are bitten by zombies. Turn into zombies but you know what. There's one race of people when they are bit by zombies. Don't turn in that are that's native americans and it is such a cool twist on zombie apocalypse genre. And it's so awesome to see native american star in this movie and do an amazing job in this fucking film and it's like we get all these aggregating all these fucking like that. You talk about diversity and movies and stuff and we're getting a lot more diversity in movies and things like that. I love like kevin's feigen. Speaking out about diversity and marvel movies but there's like one race that has been kind of like in my opinion kind of left out and it's native americans and it was nice to see native americans being taken seriously and given a great movie. I love blood. Quantum and me being like i have like i am part. Native american. very low percentage. Thank you ancestry dot com for. It's it was nice to see. Native americans highlighted in blood quantum. It's a great fucking movie. It's so it's such a great movie and if you have a shudder a shudder subscription. I highly recommend this one. If you've got zombie fatigue throw it out the window and watch blood quantum. It's really awesome. The way back is another one of my honorable. Mentions i love this movie. That's the movie. Where ben affleck please jack cunningham. He's an alcoholic and he's a construction worker who is separated from his wife and then he has been asked by his high school team that he played basketball for to Play the t to coach for the team. And it's a wonderful underdog redemption story i highly recommend it colorado space with nicholas cage. This was like wow great choice Oh i loved this movie. I loved this movie so much. Rebecca the fucking meteor falls in this family's front yard and it starts to terra form their little area there but it also starts to make the family changeon body horror in this one nicholas cage goes full nick cage in this movie. It is such a fantastic movie. I've got to colour out of space. I think you can also watch that on shudder. And if you haven't seen based off the lovecraft it's very. Yeah it's lovecraft in one hundred percent. Yep okay yeah. I've got two runners up number my my my. First runner-up is going to be nine hundred. Seventeen by sam mendez. We've talked about that ad nauseam. I love nine hundred seventeen and my next runner-up is going to be my octopus teacher. This is the docked documentary that came out on netflix. I loved my octopus teacher. It's a filmmaker forges an unusual relationship with an octopus living in south african kelp forest learning as the animal shares. The mysteries of the were of world. I fucking cried over an octopus while watching this movie. This movie really touched me. And it's a beautiful documentary. It's on netflix's it's called. My act opposed teacher. I absolutely loved it. I want to know what is your number one movie of the year. Paul jake may not love me. But i love him so much because i agree with them so hard but when you asked me to come on a couple months ago the only thing i knew for sure was my movie of the year and i'm going with the amazing movie is based on the twelve o'clock boys and that is the charm city kings nice. This movie came out of fucking nowhere. We read the description. It sounds like a knockoff of a knockoff. Of fast and furious it is not that is like a very nature versus nurture. It's pretty much a battle for this kid's soul and just the acting is top notch. You know when you think you're gonna watch a movie about motorcycle gang. You think it might get a little too much with the action but the one major seen they do have with a motorcycle. Chase just fucking brilliantly shot with a with a drone cam I just love this movie. so much. the ending lab. You choked up seen kind of lula. But there's kind of a big twist where someone's not who they really are or they're not really kind of they're kind of portraying themselves as a different way and then some things come to late but hands down charm. City kings is my favorite movie of twenty twenty degrees fucking movie. Nobody's talking about it paul. Nobody's talking about charm city kings. I never would've watched great. I never. I never would've watched it unless i was on the podcast that we yeah everybody. Hbo max original everybody trump city kings get on it. It's fucking phenomenal. i'm not gonna lie on tuesday. I watched a youtube video to make sure i could pronounce jockey winston's name correctly done when i heard you say it. The first time. I was like i remember. I remember back in two thousand thirteen. I fucking head to get on the internet to figure out how to pronounce chew ideal iggy for for twelve years of slave so got for youtube. Thank god yeah. Rebecca movie of the year. It's gonna be nineteen seventeen for me. We've talked about it. I mean what else can we say. It's just such a visually stunning film. Great content great performances and I dunno i. It's absolutely one hundred percent worth watching. I mean to the point that i it's the it's my movie of the year. So where's that playing right now. Who's playing nineteen seventeen working. Because i want. I seriously want to watch it again. I'm on showtime sorry. No don't be sorry i believe. Yeah it's on showtime it is on showtime. Yeah you can watch us on showtime yep absolutely. Well i don't know if this is true also apparently can watch it on hulu. With a premium subscription you have to have a premium subscription showtime owner shared movie account brian. Oh yeah. I watch it on that as well but yeah for the listeners. If you wanna watch it you can watch it on showtime jake mu year to year is the king of staten island. Thought such a shame that we didn't see this movie in the theater. It's one of my biggest regrets a year to see how a full crowd would react to this and just like what. What are the moments that really hit a for crowd. As far as laughs order the moments the hit for shocks. I feel like this would have been a really engaging movie for an entire crowd and i. It's a real shame. I kind of hope that when we get past all this maybe this limited re release but it still won't. Have you know the full house that this would have had opening night. Had things gone as planned than is normal so yeah. I absolutely loved this movie. Everyone in the cast was just fucking amazing just so much fun. It felt like a bunch of many movies all crammed together into one giant plot so a very long movie which is unusual for me to get movie the year but i i never would have guessed. It was over two hours while i was watching it time to glue by jake. I need to show you When we ran the contest for it on on a previous episode. They sent me swag box. Yeah have you seen. The picture of the of the hoodie sent me. No but i'm super jealous already me. They sent me a hoodie for that. They sent me an art print and they sent me some tattoos. They sent me a temporary tattoos. Yes they sent me temporary. Yes you do. i'll show. I'll send you a picture of all this shit. They sent me temporary tattoos for it. They sent me a like a thermos like a water bottle that says f. d. n. y. For the new york fire department. They sent me so much for that movie. Dude it's fucking. I love that movie too. It's so god. Oh my god. That's really cool that they sent you all that way. These at least tell me one of the temporary tattoos is the fucked up obama. How i know what. Brian's number one is by the way. I figured it out. Just say jake. It's dead ten number. Was i cannot not make nine number one for twenty twenty ten. I loved this movie. I think it is fucking brilliant. The rewatch ability on this one. And i was even as of as of today. I'm like watching ten videos on like Like what does this movie mean. Wh you know all the different shit intent. I love it so much. Yeah i gave no director of the year. of course i'm gonna give movie of the year to fuck intended. I love tenant. Jake i loved it so much i cannot stop thinking about this movie and yeah i'm it was sadly. It's not the movie that safe theaters this year. But i think like it gave it a valiant effort. Yeah yeah he tried. It didn't work work but yeah guys. That is the tupperware. that's all. i have nice. This was a really fun episode. I i didn't know how it was going to go with the year that we had but yeah yeah me too. Thanks for having me paul. Are you gonna come back next year. If i'm invited. I would love to hear invited right. Rebecca you you're always invited. I thank you so much. Oh my god. Oh my god i want to. You know what. I want to thank all of our listeners. For for twenty twenty honestly like the listeners of the best part of twenty twenty getting to hear from all the diehard listeners throughout the year keeping the skull and jake i agree i agree. It's one of the things that keeps us going during one of the most depressing years. I've ever lived telling you man. Oh my god. This year i like. I think i hit my limit like a month ago. A month ago i was just like oh my god. I can't believe this is still fucking killing me. A lot of people have had a lot worse than i have this year but like last month just like i just. It's just i. Wanna i wanna live in a world again where we can walk around without masks anymore. I know we gotta do it right now. But my god it'd be nice to just be able to go out and be. I don't think we're ever going to get back to the way we were. We were just shaking people's hands and this other shit and i don't know how comfortable i'll be going out in public again. Not wearing a mask but my god who take the training to get my mouth not to make some of these faces. It makes behind that mask. When i'm at work that i it's easy to get away with it right now. Yeah oh yeah. Oh yeah i. I am very expressive with my mouth behind that mask. Because i know i can get away with it all the time and i fear for the smirks that i'll be making that people can see you. What's it comes off twenty twenty. Oh my god yeah. I mean hopefully twenty twenty one is gonna be better for us right guys. Scott right it has to be has to be one marvel movie next year. So yeah two weeks. We're going to be talking about a lot of. Yeah yeah that that'll be exciting to to see entertain. Well yeah. yeah so huge. Thanks to rebecca impala this show. Thank you so much for everything that you brought this episode. You guys did a great. John thank you. I love hearing everybody else's picks like i loved getting More recommendations and just reaffirming stuff. That i watch like okay. Yeah this is definitely worth watching. So yeah i loved everybody's fix my biggest takeaway like my biggest thing that i would like to have people communicate with me in the future is that they got on. Hbo we are who we are or later on down the road when it's made readily available for everybody. They watched the kid detective. I would love to hear people talk about their experience. With my octopus teacher on net flicks. I would love to hear more people talking about charm. City kings jake. What's the one show that you want people or movie show or you know that you want people to watch after listening to this episode sharp city kings is probably at the top of my list followed by palm springs. He didn't watch that. Yeah hulu palm springs paul. I would say on pregnant. i'm i would. Also i'm going to throw in promising young woman when it's available for bad promising young woman. Rebecca what is your what is like. Give me one two or three favorite things that you watch this year that you want everybody to fucking take away and say and tweet it you and be like oh. I watched this on your recommendation. This is the fucking shit. This is what i thank you so much for recommending this. Yeah i would like people to watch. Emma and i'd like people to watch portability lady on fire. Talked about both of those movies I think they're both really good pieces of cinema. I would like people to watch mrs america if you would like to know more about the history of feminism in this country i think. Obviously it's it's a fictionalized show so they're gonna take liberty so don't watch this thinking it's a fucking history textbook but i think it's a great place to start and just i don't know expand your horizons Try to find shows and movies that are hiring people of color and hiring trans actors and are hiring. Nonbinary actors star trek discovery. Right now has a nonbinary actor and a trans actor right now and and look for shows and movies like that. Support them if you can. If you're talking about trans actors for you ever tell my gosh. Absolutely what's euphoria. And also i would highly recommend again who we are. Hbo please what's this show. I don't wanna be the only lone voice on this. And i don't know if it's going to get a season two on hbo but my god. It is absolutely phenomenal. Some amazing performances topper worst. Jake eight. this is the eighth annual uproars award. Show it's crazy twelve. I'd love to go back and see what like all eight my movies a year where you were on the first one. I missed the first. Yeah you weren't on the first upper warriors that's right shitty. Steve was on that. Let's not let's not go there. I met that with all my heart. Now the first step. Wears with a lil. Lil and sean on. Not shitty shaw fucking. I still tech sean. I love shine sean. To an apse. Jesus christ you trying to do yeah. I thought we were done recording. No we are now. We're still pointing another joke into france. Jake guys like augured left. Jesus christ. I can't believe we're ending it on that jake. You're and hassle. Just like august leftover saying the doggie bags. Thank you for your patients as you're listening we'll see you next week with episode three sixty three the first regular new episode of twenty twenty one. And you know what jake. I have a feeling that it's going to be underwhelming. Yes get ready for more mediocrity in twenty twenty one. I can't make any promises anymore. Jake i'm done. I'm done trying to. I'm dying people have seen going to see from this show. We p years ago. There's we're not gonna hit any new heights. Nothing's going to happen. There's nothing new coming from. You're going to get the same bullshit that you've gone from fucking the past fucking eight years or whatever the fuck. Nothing's gonna change. Jesus christ get prepared. Twenty twenty one year of lots of eighties sitcom references. All right. we'll see next week. Three sixty three sia later. Thanks for listening to pop culture leftovers. Congratulations i don't know how you did it. I couldn't do it you. People need a t shirt saying. Listen to two hours of nonsensical crap. Anyway you like to reach the pop. Culture leftovers cast. You can email them at comments at pop culture leftovers dot com. You can also follow them on twitter at pc leftovers or like their facebook page. 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