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The Roblox Debut

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03:41 min | 3 months ago

The Roblox Debut

"Is out the door. Robots closed its first day of trading as a public company at sixty nine dollars. Fifty cents valuing the company at thirty eight point two six billion dollars quoting cnbc. Shares began trading at sixty four dollars. Fifty cents which represented a forty three percent increase from a private financing round just in january when the company sold shares for forty five dollars the reference price on tuesday of forty five dollars though no stock changed hands at those levels. The reference price tends to reflect private market trading and does not indicate where a stock will open road blocks hits the market coming off an explosive year of growth primarily from kids who were stuck at home because covid nineteen forced schools to close and sports leagues to shutdown within roadblocks which is one of the top grossing apps on apple and google devices users create. Avatars that they can move between the millions of games on the service navigating theme parks adopting virtual pets and fighting enemies with their friends. Revenue last year jumped eighty two percent to nine hundred and twenty three point. Nine million dollars still relaxes. Net loss widened to two hundred and fifty three point. Three million dollars from seventy one million dollars in two thousand nineteen as the company almost triple. The amount of money paid to develop through its revenue sharing program more than twelve hundred and fifty developers made at least ten thousand dollars last year through virtual sales in their roadblocks games and quote. Now i've said before that in the universe of unicorns among the companies investors. I'm friendly with our most. Enthused about roadblock has been at the top of that list the yardstick i'm using here to measure the level of investor. Excitement is basically when i hear investors. Say something like damn it. I wish i had gotten in early on that company. Roadblocks has been the name most mentioned in that context for about a year. Now the other one by the way is stripe which people have foam mode on forever but over the last year the frenzy around fintech has reached a fever. pitch so stripe has become the company. Everyone's still wishes they were in on early or still wants to get in on now if they can anyway back to roadblocks. You don't have to take my word for it in terms of people's excitement around this company. Here's ben thompson describing how by bringing disparate parts of gaming into one place. Roadblocks is basically created the conditions for interlocking feedback loops. That are very exciting. Quote by controlling. Everything roadblocks can bring all of the disparate parts of gaming into one place instead of one app for social interactions another app for purchases and a different app for every different game. Everything is all in the same place. This also makes roadblocks easier to develop for by constraining graphics to a consistent toolbox. It's very easy to build something new. This creates the conditions for the interlocking feedback loops that characterize transformational products by reducing the prominence and feature set of games. Roadblocks made it possible to create something. Bigger a micro verse. This actually fits the pattern of other transformational products. The feed for instance relies on reducing all types of content from post to photos to links to the same format such that they can all be incorporated into a greater whole. It's a reason why. I think that clubhouse being all audio actually gives it an advantage relative to twitter. That leaves more room for user entrepreneurship. Both in the kinds of rooms created and also norms around behavior twitter realize the same benefits relative to blogs with its one hundred forty character constraint. Similarly roadblocks games aren't really competitive with non roadblocks games. They're worse in any sort of traditional sense because the things that make them better are the parts that are enabled by imposing constraints and quote.

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What Is Clubhouse and Do You Need to Be on It?

The Talk Show

07:55 min | 4 months ago

What Is Clubhouse and Do You Need to Be on It?

"Talk about clubhouse before we run out of time I what what are your thoughts on club. I feel like clubhouse right now is is like as we speak february twenty. Twenty one is still in private I wouldn't call a beta on the app store. It's invite only right but they seem to be accelerating the invitations to the point. Now where february. Twenty twenty one sort of is the month where clubhouse went big. Yeah i would agree with that. I mean i would say maybe maybe january No yeah i'm trying to think. When was the lawn on. When when did he do the thing that was like it's over joins twitter moment twenty twenty one today january to february. And i'm sure you know in hindsight you know there'll be more people in march and more people in but it's getting a. Can you describe what clubhouse is and then. Tell me your thoughts about it okay. I'm going to find something. That is certainly find my tweet that i sent about it because stevens noffke was annoyed with me but i stand by it. Okay this was. Someone asked me two weeks ago. Says what does one do with clubhouse. And then i wrote waste time. Not working by listening to other people not working talking about stuff. They claim to be experts end but really aren't while hoping for celebrities to show up. That's pretty it's pretty tart. But but i don't disagree with it. And i say this as someone who i've spent a lot of time on clubhouse i've hosted shows on capelle when that was still a beta feature. I think i joined in april. I'm i'm not above this. Like at all. I'm just saying like when i use it. It is usually because it's the end of the day. And there i see one of the main notifications come in that. You know somebody you're on things interesting is going on or i'm like you know kind of trying to avoid doing actual work and so i tune in the afternoon and then listen to other people who are often doing the same thing and then there is that bit of like. Oh and maybe someone famous will pop in. I don't know i'm being totally honest like for me that that is kind of the appeal. That's not to say that. I don't think there. I think that you can have some real substantive and interesting conversations and and there are some really interesting ways it can be used in the way that it's interest. Graph is both connected but disconnected from twitter. I think is interesting i was. I was in a room last week. End someone's a ten year. Old was briefly in the room before that was deemed. I guess not okay. And and We were asking the the youth some questions about their use of technology. And you know they kind of described it. They were like. Oh it's dischord for adults and that's actually not a bad description to be totally honest like it's kind of scored audio groups but you know audio channels for adults. That's that's not a completely terrible analogy I i'm trying to wrap my head around it. I think there are. I do think they're onto something totally. And i also think i haven't quite had this feeling about something since instagram in two thousand ten like so i was not on the instagram beta n. g. siegler was and he tweeted enough like pictures from it. I definitely kind of it was like okay square pictures filters and then i just say on my other. Podcast dithering with ben thompson. I think the episode that aired this morning. That i remember where i was when i realized instagram out of beta and i could sign up. I was with my family down in disneyworld. And i was on a bus going from I think i even remember which park we're going to. We're going from our hotel to the disney studios park on the little disney transportation. Bus and i was like. Oh it's out of beta quick. Get gruber still available got it start clicking around and like within five minutes because you know all of a sudden we're at disney and it's time to have fun and go on rides and stuff. I was like oh this. Is i get this. This is great. You know now. That is the original instagram where it was. Just you post pictures and you see pictures from the people you follow and you can comment on the pictures And you can apply these filters that re- you know at the time was great feature because don't care cell phone cameras still so crappy. The filters it was perfect and histogram or no hips dramatic amount of it was was awesome so it fit without whole asiatic that was happening with the time that made it. Easy to to apply like they. They didn't take as long as you know. Some of the other filter ops did and it. It really made your photos look better and added remember. When they added the tilt shift feature and amazing. Yeah until fisher. Was this massive deal. Because i was like. Oh my god i can take mr rogers pictures right. Like is how i felt at the time. The hips dramatic took so long. And i don't know. I've never to anybody who could explain it. I don't know if they did it on purpose to to fake. Yeah but it hipster. Matic took so long to apply filters remember talking to somebody at apple about near like. Yeah it makes no sense to even if you're using a bat algorithm it shouldn't take that long and it was like crazy. It was frustrating and instagram. Let you like oh this filter. Nope this filter. Nope and they apply instantly. And then you'd pick one that major picture look better then you'd posted and i was like i got it. I was like oh. This is going to be huge. Just a snap judgment. I feel that way. I feel that way about clubhouse with just with a little less certainty because the thing about instagram was i knew i wanted to use it whereas with gregg house. I'm like i get this. I can see why people really get. I don't think this is for me. Yeah no i kind of agree with you. And i'm like i go back and forth about my feeling like i do. I do think that it's you know. Current valuation is kind of insane. Yes drink the concept has massive legs. Absolutely i think the other difference is is that instagram came out. There were a couple of other Kind of competitor's pick please which was available on both ios and android that dalton caldwell who later did app dot net did and the. Didn't you know work and there were some other kind of attempts at doing similar things but instagram was always wear momentum was and i think it's because they had really strong product direction. I think that always going to be getting the product direction in the attic. Usability was key. It was always product. I don't always product. I clubhouse one of those things were not that i don't think we're i wonder if it's going to be more like an instagram stories. Saying we're not as a staff staffed stories. Thanks but you see where. I'm going with this where it's a great idea but it could be potentially co-opted and done better by someone else. Like i feel like twitter spaces. Could you know. Beat it in a way that you know. No one else even had a chance against instagram. Even though instagram was ios only until it was acquired by facebook like no one else even had a chance at sucks all the oxygen out of the room Because it was it was the best. Might i feel like the concept of clubhouse has a lot of legs just don't know of clubhouse it's going to be the thing or if it'll be whatever mark cuban. He thinks he's doing or if it'll be twitter spaces. I don't think it'll be facebook. Facebook single fall flat on. Its face but i do feel like twitter spaces could potentially you know Hold the the instagram move and like make their version of stories way more successful even though it's a blatant copy it's it's better

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An Apple Ad-pocalypse For Everyone?

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05:57 min | 4 months ago

An Apple Ad-pocalypse For Everyone?

"You know about those changes to ad tracking that apple is going to flip the switch on on ios. Soon you know how facebook has said this will hurt small businesses and also them quite directly. They've also admitted. Well as this ad pacalypse creeps ever closer. There is increasing chatter about how big this move might actually be for basically everyone let me hit some of the most recent takes for you i. What prompted me to lead with this. Today is that in their earnings last night. Snap had to warn that. The coming changes by apple to idea a could have a materially adverse effect on their business and it wasn't just snap either unity also came out and said idea changes will hit the pocketbooks of all mobile game developers quoting cnbc. Unity software said in its earnings report. That the changes will affect the way mobile game developers get and quote how they optimize lifetime. Customer value and quote although it's difficult to estimate our guidance assumes idea changes begin in the spring and will reduce revenue by thirty million dollars or three percent of revenue in two thousand twenty one. The company wrote in prepared remarks for its q. Four earnings report snap chief financial officer derek. Anderson said the apple changes would present a risk of interruption to demand after their implemented quote. It is not clear yet. What the longer term impact of those changes may be for the top line momentum of our business and this may not be clear until several months or more after the changes are implemented. He said quote so coincident with that. I know that this is long. Reads day but i encourage you to check out ben. Thompson's free article from strategically this week because it is the most sober and i opening look at this situation that i've seen anywhere thompson did a qna with mobile marketing analyst. Eric su firt and he had some interesting things to say about. Apple's true motivations and all of this and how these changes could ripple out to affect not only game developers but things like chiappa fi and the smaller businesses on that platform. I highly highly recommend. You read the whole thing. But i'm going to quote two parts for you first up. This is ben quote the thing that is always kind of weird to me about this. Is i think people underestimate and frankly i think apple underestimates the degree to which apple's growth in services revenue growth in. The app store is because of facebook and that facebook and apple have had this very symbiotic relationship. facebook has done. All of apple's dirty work and apple has harvested thirty percent on the back end just by virtue of owning the app store. The question i have is. Is it possible. That apple is shooting themselves in the foot here and their services revenue actually takes a meaningful hit because they've destroyed the engine driving it and they didn't even realize it because they actually didn't understand facebook's role in this and then this is eric's answer quote. I don't think so. I think apple very much recognizes the role that it plays in the app ecosystem which is the distribution engine for apps. And i think that's what apple doesn't like. I think apple sees that the app store has basically become irrelevant as a point of content discovery. It's basically this kind of frictional annoying moment between clicking an ad and installing an app almost all discovery happens via ads or word of mouth. And i think what apple is doing in this in recognizing the power that facebook has in terms of influencing which apps become big which apps are popular. How people are using their iphones. Essentially in recognizing that apple is trying to regain control of that because if apple cripples advertising which is doing mobile advertising this is all happening within the context of all this stuff. That's happening on the browser which we don't need to go down that rabbit hole but apple has been the instigator of all of that too if apple cripples mobile advertising than the app store becomes the primary discovery point for apps again and apple decides how people use our iphones apple decides which are the most popular. And by the way. That's a position that apple used to occupy twenty twelve twenty. Thirteen apple was kingmaker. If you've got featured your company valuation might increase by one hundred million dollars it was really important to make that pilgrimage to apple. Go to cupertino and beg for featuring please feature as please give us the headline featuring because that would make such a big difference to our company then in that way apple got to influence. What kind of apps made and how you made them. So my sense here is that apple wants to regain that control and quote and then from further down in the piece. This is ben again. The great thing from google's perspective is they get to copy everything. Apple does which completely benefits them because apple wants to kill cookies. Google's like that's fine. We have the browser. We have the app store and we're justified in doing blatantly anti-competitive things because we're just copying apple. The apple. google duopoly is really ruling. Everything and this is eric's response. Yeah google silence on this issue has been really intriguing. Because i think they've got to feel like a little bit stuck. It's like well okay. We're going to slow copy apple on any privacy initiative. It does because we don't want to allow apple to create a competitive advantage around being seen as the privacy centric mobile platform but at the same time they run an ad network so day can't come out and demonize targeted advertising. Because well that's how they make some substantial portion of their money. Ben interjects here. They're being sued for antitrust. And this is so blatantly. Anti-competitive and eric responds right exactly. They've got a fine line to walk. And i think they've you to a very shrewd approach. Which just like you said. Kind of copy. What apple is doing but doing it in a way that is not a full manifestation of that and quote again read. The whole thing cannot recommend it highly enough are we all of us in the tech ecosystem facing an ad pacalypse

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TikTok deal deadline not extended, but talks expected to continue

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01:31 min | 6 months ago

TikTok deal deadline not extended, but talks expected to continue

"Tiktok can what what the hell was. Is this all just kabuki theatre like was there any substance to this at all. Do we expect this to never be brought up again. What do you think well recording this. On december fourth which i think is a new deadline for for for the tiktok deal to go through. It's pretty fascinating. Because obviously the trump administration did not really care about tiktok. it was clearly a it was always evident. That was a a thing. They thought was beneficial to them to talk about politically And now they've moved onto to imaginary fraud. And there's no one there to push this through but there are thoughtful people who say yeah. There's really is a problem with tiktok. being essentially a chinese company ben thompson is one of them And so something should be done here. There's a whole wider sort of us. China thing gets worked out so this is just vaping and bam nothing not in the morning I do think that assuming this gets sort of left on the biden administration's desk that it doesn't go away and that they'll be some kind of change to tick tock. I don't know if oracle and walmart being sort of investors have operators is. This is the is the solution in clearly. Tiktok doing just fine Even though it has an issue

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Marketing Trends We Are Excited About for Q4

Marketing School

05:02 min | 8 months ago

Marketing Trends We Are Excited About for Q4

"Walk onto another episode of Marketing School I'm Eric Su and I'm Neil Patel, and today we're GonNa talk about marketing trends that we are excited about for q four. So this is a little bit of a new experiment tweet at me Eric Oh sl you. If you think this is cool because Neil and I don't get a lot of time to talk about what we're actually excited about right. So there's a lot of stuff that's happening in the business world and in the marketing world. So we'll see how this goes. This might be a little longer than usual, but I'll start it off I. I mean Neil yesterday. Linked in just just launch stories and I'm super excited about that. 'cause I just post stories instagram all the time I screen shots of stuff up there, and what I'm finding now is that I'm seeing all these people that are relevant seo manager over here content lead over I'm like, Oh, my God I'm going to follow these people you know have talked at a click flow team and then we can do something there. Right but it's just it's a people are here to do business on linked I constantly see like who's relevant talk who want to keep in touch with right? Because there's a little message button over. There but on Instagram, not so much I'm not looking to do business on instagram. So I think Lincoln or Microsoft rather is super smart for doing this and I'm glad that they finally brought it up. Have you tried it yet? I haven't tried it. We have it on her list to try in the next month or so were slow some of that kind of stuff but we're going to try that out another trend that we're seeing as boysearch everyone knows that half the search is at least in the United States now are through voice search according to common core specifically say voice her voice commerce did you. Know over sixty percent of people in the United, states have these smart speaker type devices have made a purchase do boysearch according to crunch and according to a have you done that before though I have many times what did you buy? We buy like bottled water toilet paper tissues, household items man I've never done that before as crazy works really well with Alexa and according to Oh CNC their company that does research they're saying by twenty, twenty, forty, billion dollars is going to be spent on boysearch. That's ridiculous. Amount I know this tiny in the grand scheme of commerce, but that number's going to blow up and explode. Yeah, you don't like the other thing too. I'm just looking at. This is more of a business trump, but I kind of is a marketing trend do but there's a Casey, Newton? I believe his name he's one of the lead editors of the verge. He just left to start his own substance. So everyone starting substance right now, which is basically just you're starting to email newsletter. So when I spoke to Anthony yesterday, I think he's got about five thousand subscribers paying subscriber. So paying ten dollars fifty grand a month from his newsletter, which is. Not, bad at six hundred, grand a year and so whether it's paid newsletters or even paid podcast subscriptions, i. think that's going to become more and more of a trend because people are legit leaving their full time jobs as writers unders going off on their own. You Got Ben Thompson, that's doing that. So what are your thoughts on that? Do you know anyone that's doing it really well, I don't know anyone that's doing well, but I know it makes money look at a Gora. Yeah Oh, how much they do in review of Gore's billion plus dollar company in revenue go some arriving ago. What else you got connection that I have that we're seeing come up in the upcoming years is look when you think about marketing all get emails, a lot of US ignore. But there's a new trend that we're seeing in emails. Right even we ignore emails it's still generate so much money we all send out so many emails, there's company called Sam email that lets you make purchases within your emails. So imagine me sending you e mail regarding I a t shirt you can pick the size and actually checkout and by within the EAMONN never have to go to the website or right now they specialize in airlines you can actually adjust your seat and adjust your ticket and all that kind of stuff within the Eamon. You see like the seat map and you can click and upgrading all that kind of stuff. It's Kinda cool. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean when we think about this at the end of the day, I was buying stuff using my phone when I as I was traveling is just when there's apple pay I immediately select that because the friction there's there's a lot less friction, the experiences a lot better. So whatever way you can make it easier for people to get things done. That's GonNa do well, and then your total. addressable market for that is huge right because you're just trying to solve problems for of Swath of people, you're not even just solving for for niche problems anymore and I think the final thing all end with right now is well to me I, just kind of been observing an investing world right now if you go read bessemer memos just typing bvp memos, what's fascinating to me is how firm decided invest in Shop a fine the very beginning, and you see a lot of interesting trends around that at how off they were in terms of how big they thought the market size was for. This is not exactly a I guess a trend here's that people are writing a lot more than what I'm gaining a lot from these memos. So I guess my only thing I'm trying to point you in the direction of is. Go check out these VP memos go check out morning Brusco, check out the hustle. The Hustle has trends as well. We're did talk about trends and I think you'll learn a lot because there's a lot of good information being put out right now. Neil.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka

Recode Media with Peter Kafka

02:03 min | 9 months ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka

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"ben thompson" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka

Recode Media with Peter Kafka

06:00 min | 9 months ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on Recode Media with Peter Kafka

"They recently signed a zoom was a big win for them and so you'll oracle would love to have the tick Tock Klaudia, which is a massive cloud you I think they. Actually already have deal with with Google but you know it's growing you're talking real time video we saw his with snaps IPO we've hosting video like this is extremely expensive extremely taxing it's it's a great sort of service for any cloud provider to both one make a lot of money and to sort of demonstrate that their cloud can handle a very very difficult and taxing sort of application. So from Oracle's perspective, they would love to have that cloud part I. It's not clear they would actually want to run the business so. Not to not to go on and on, but I think it's important to get all the pieces that are happening here to sort of perceive what's going on. So you know Oracle's the Sake Horace Microsoft is there and then China sort of. Scum now. Not An NPC an actual country with people comes in and says hey. This the because the algorithm sort of in contention algorithm part of this deal whereas bike dancing to license it, which is by dances like will drop like a get Hubbard. And you can like you updated every few months and the problem is that that's a huge part of the value of the deal. TIKTOK has two big assets. When is the user base in to the sort of? And both are important. I. Mean Remember they bought that user base by and large by spending twelve billion dollars like facebook and instagram. That's the way the reason those ads worked and the reason they kept that audience is because the algorithm is so good. So it's not one or the other it's both and if you're not acquiring the algorithm, I think particularly from sort of a Microsoft perspective if you're not acquiring the algorithm than what quite are you getting because you're, yes, you're getting a nice business for your cloud, but that algorithm that the potential sort of use it. More broadly in that sort of approach, something I think is very the the analogy from I think was the south China Morning Post to his you're buying the car but not the engine. That's right. That's right and it's a very nice invaluable car. This is interesting. People want to say one or the other it's both but it's a very important piece of this and China came in and said the algorithms not going anywhere. We are now passing were we made an addition to our basically export list equivalent of the US has it says that includes algorithms of this sort and. So they're saying look Donald Trump said you. You must sell this company to a US company and we're essentially saying no. Well. Without, saying it was there yet. I think what they started out with was you can't. You can't sell the the Algorithm for national. We'll tell you. We'll sell you a crippled version of this company well. Again It's hard to fault them. Right I mean. Just yeah. Side from for WHO's right and WHO's wrong they said, no, actually we have a say, we have a significant say that's right and we're going to not allow that deal to go through as constructed. That's right. That's right and so that really put the brakes Mike shops like well, what are we actually buying here and then I think over time as US rhetoric continued to ramp up I think the thing same. Thing happened in China and like well, you're not only are you not buying the buying the company and so where we ended up with is this sort of licensing deal where I think the wait is is that there's going to be a US entity that is tiktok that's GonNa be headcorn us. This is all funny because by already tried to play this game, but they said that Dick back was headquartered in the Cayman Islands. And so I dithering the PODCAST, those of John Gruber, we have a running joke about tiktok Cayman Islands Company. I mean the reality is, is you know who's? Running who's calling the shots and the funny thing is this this this new entity this tiktok in the US entity Oracle be a minority stakeholder and bite dance with majority stakeholders. So it's actually less favourable from a US perspective than the previous one because dance is still in charge and they're saying, oh, data will stay the US. It's going to be with. But that's what bike dance was proposing all along and so i. You know there is an argument it does solve the data question number one but number two that I was already proposed in already rejected. But number three, my biggest concern and this is speaking for me personally, not the situation as a whole continues to be that algorithm it's powerful. It's a black box. It's not based on who you follow where your friends are. It's controlled by bike dance, and as we just saw win, the Chinese government says, you know when she says jump Bite dance like any other Chinese company is going to say how high? This is if anything a validation of the concerns that this company is in China and has to do with the Chinese government says, and again, that's not a criticism. It's just a reflection. I think of reality. So to sum up the state of play right now, sort of from what we understand is that Donald Trump had said this company must be sold to US company or be shut down, and now there is a proposal from Oracle and by dance actually no instead we're going to create. This kind of us-based entity, but it's still going to be controlled by China it'll still be owned by Bite Dance, a Chinese company and and As as nod toward security concerns will store the data in the US and then the question is will donald trump accept that or not, and we don't know if we had to guess maybe he sounds like he will. Yeah I think that it is a widow stronger than a isn't that the data will be owned by Oracle and. Again that's I. Just returned to the fact that I I wrote this in the world is I think the focus on data is misplaced to me you know the reality is is that it's not difficult to get data on on Uk-us of the US you go to credit card broker and by better and more valuable data than you can get from Tiktok I. Always think that's been a misplaced focus. If that was the only national security certain, I would not be opposed this entire thing. To me issue issues always been the algorithm and the the opportunity to push propaganda and censorship, and that's not addressed in this and I wanNA to get to the concerns in a second, and there's a variety of criticisms about tick tock presence in the US..

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The US government is considering a TikTok ban

The Vergecast

05:38 min | 11 months ago

The US government is considering a TikTok ban

"TIKTOK has a history in Congress now. Josh Holly has basically been the main guy out to get to talk, but okay, so for the past year year and a half Josh Holly has had some hearings. He's invited to talk to testify, and then he's done these like wrestling style like hyper wheels on twitter, where he just like shows like an empty tick tock chair and he's like. Where are they and it's like we're guitar music album. Is Our personal information being made less secure by big tech, because of their partnerships with some of these questionable receive. At least. This has happened. We've been waiting all this kind of happened when Mike pompeo like randomly one night on Fox, news. It's like yeah. We're thinking about banning TIKTOK. And that's basically all he said, and then, of course, everyone's like what is happening, so the government can't really do a want to ban tiktok addy. Our colleague here on the policy dusted a wonderful story talking about all the ways that they could kind of get around. Banning them, but the one thing the government can do is banned other people in government from using. On their devices so. This week the House of A Josh Holly Bill that would ban federal employees from using Tiktok on their devices, and then just yesterday earlier this week. It made it through the Senate committee, so all it needs now is vote on the Senate floor to be approved signature and Tiktok. His banned from Federal Devices Military Tiktok is not a small community. No, it's huge. It's huge. It's huge I watch a lot of fighter jets land on aircraft carriers. Somebody took a very bad dad. TIKTOK I'll go. Is Very different from mine, so federal employees banned from using it. Is there any further motion like? Their moves right. You could like you can say it's a Chinese company. We don't want them like. We did it to Weiwei right, but we. We basically banned companies from buying equipment. How would you? How would you do that with Tiktok? We have this problem all the time. With like what regulator deals with tech, no one has any idea or they want a piece of it, and then they fight over it, and it's a nightmare, so that's part of the problem. We don't have in federal agency that really organizes around Blake Tech Regulation at all, so it's not like you can just go knocking on the. The door. It'd be like excuse me. Chairman Simon's please ban. Tiktok you can't do that so in the same way that the FCC jeep pie can be like no money goes to while away and then here's some money to dig it up and get it out of your system like we don't have the infrastructure for that and I think that's primarily the biggest problem here I mean. There's a couple of things that you could do with like foreign, Investment Sifi's. Sifi's stuff. It's all incredibly Wonky, but it's an incredibly difficult, if not impossible to just ban an APP, and that would have to do with like talking to apple and Google and APP stores and having you know what I mean having to com- completely direct what how they operate in some way. We just got done with a huge discussion about how apple has monopoly on after being on the iphone Google doesn't on Android, but they might may as well for. For most intensive purposes, especially here in the US, so if they can strong-arm apple and Google just pulling them off the APP store. That like it's pretty close I mean they're like Donald. Trump is like one iphone tariffs right away right? I mean but like I. Don't know if anyone is gonNA. Pull it off now, Casey. One thing that strikes me is even on my extremely lame Dad Tiktok I see so many creator saying is getting banned following instagram. It's a trend all over the place, and obviously trump and sort of the republican side of the the world are like Tiktok Chinese. We hate it. trumpet is I, think particularly pissed because of the rally narrative run TIKTOK that's Russell singles last week. Also delivers a lot of information to people in young voters in particular in Opaque Algorithm feed like that. It feels like yours zone has bubbled up beyond just a bunch of noise for you. Yeah, I mean like this is a Ben Thompson. Point which is that China has been in an information war with the United States for twenty years, and Americans have just pretended. It doesn't exist right like the point makes over, and over again is China started this fight? A social networks are not allowed to operate in China, and so the fact that. Albert Mickley based feed that is totally opaque. That is operating insider. Reporters should raise at least some national security concerns right like the kind of. Threat you worry about. Is You know what if the Communist Party decides that? It just wants to push a lot of pro-trump propaganda in the run-up to the election. You know it just because it would. It would so some chaos, and it would benefit them regardless of how likely you think that is to happen. The fact is that it could happen and. Should the the country have some sort of response to that? How should think about that? And you can take different views on it but I do think the thinking about what Tiktok is and how it could be used has been unsophisticated because as with every social product when it first got started. We all look at it and we think this is fun. This is a toy. Nothing bad could ever come from teenagers doing dances. And fast forward to the two thousand sixteen election has no one ever watched footloose I mean come on yeah. Look what happened. What state will allow dancing in that town? Lot of people think happy story I. Don't think that that is a movie about how town was ruined through dancing.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

12:38 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"A button and boom you get the podcast so we had this ability. Where if you already had this your check every feed it would suddenly start the the dithering dithering podcasts as well and You know so like it always crossed the line to be to friction lists because then it got confusing and we will. We realize we had a standard and we want podcast players supported to split it out. But that's actually as you've worked with Mark Down Game. The world standard sounds like is just a recipe for headache. So we kind of unwell that but it was driven by the exact same idea. Which is this needs to be as easy and frictional as possible and yeah and the other thing too is. We fully aware that one of the things we're competing with our podcast that don't have a subscription right where you click a link for the RSS feed and it opens in your podcast player. And you're there or you're in your podcast player and there's a search field and you type the talk show in return and there it is and you can click it you know. We're not inherently something subscription based is going to involve a few more steps right the minimum. You have to give us your name your email address and a pick a password number and credit card data and apple pay. Yes but you know. We're not doing stuff like. Oh what industry do you work in? And you know what are your interests what are your hobbies and this and that and the other thing all it. It really is low. Friction people are verifying and any other thing. We have We should talk about is part of the reaction to do during that. We don't have like a free episodes to listen to. There is no free trial. And we thought about these things you know very very significantly in the run-up to it and we launched without it for now we don't have it one of the ideas as well. You can listen to me and you together on this show and obviously the formats very different in terms of length but you can get a sense of the Camaraderie. We have together. We list the episodes on the dithering DOT FM website. So you can see each show what we're talking about. What the you know. Just that at the because that's one of the things people says. Well what's the show about you? Know because the show that website is minimal. Enough and really just sorta describes the periodicity. But you can you know part of it is I think people saying what's it about or being a little little cute and what else. What else are we going to talk about? All right well do on over talking about sports which the answer is no. But that's mostly because sports don't exist right now just four goals right here right right now. It's like we. We might look back on this episode Of say well you know it? Got Off to a good launch. The subscriber numbers are good. The reaction from people is hey. I really liked this. I love the format. I'm really enjoying it. It's it's really really overwhelmingly positive in a way that is why we past six thousand during recording by the way just checked well it? Yeah I think we literally were five thousand nine hundred ninety. No exaggeration. Five nine nine nine. We started recording yes. It's it's very gratifying. It's successful. The feedback is good. But it's very possible that if there's one thing we're overlooking is that the as the quarantine pandemic starts to dissipate in sports comes back. We might just derail the whole thing. We're going to ruin it. Hey we're going to look back and say oh. The show is going great when there were new. We started talking about sports all of a sudden and and I was even mentioned. One of the things I mentioned is that look. It's five bucks a month to start and you can go monthly for five bucks. Gets you access to all of the shows? We've already done which I think is over twenty-five already and you can listen to those. And if you don't like it. It's like you're two clicks away. From unsubscribe ING. And you're only out five bucks and that's it and you know it doesn't seem like anybody's doing it and who knows maybe once the NBA starts and baseball starts up. It's always on instead of watching the subscriber. Never go up. It's going to start going down but I don't think it's going to happen the the other thing about this. I mean we're also technically right like so. We actually do. Have it that checkers? 'cause it's funny you when you do something new you run into all these assumptions that other people made that are unexpected right so like podcast way one of the things that we if you look at our page we had different show art in different months in March and April and May and if you actually go back and you play our podcast knows months you have that short come up with the MP three but none of the podcast apps actually whisked the right show art because they just assume a show always has the same march right in and there's all sorts of cases where you run into this you know one of these is the membership software just never really thought about there. Being multiple free plants is because it was a subscription product. And so there's actually not a really means to do the free thing right now but that's also what's been so fun about building this is is sort of paraphrase that Allen Kay statement anyone that serious about software needs to build their own hardware in this case. It's like anyone serious about publishing build their own software. It's gotta moving at a different stack but to explore the different things that you can do and are possible and so. I think it'll be fun. We can see this evolve I think potentially overtime as well. I mean there's still some like cou features like if you if your credit card expires. You will get a podcast telling you your credit cards expired. Right which makes sense. Because you're not checking the website. You're not checking emails to podcast. Why would you expect anywhere else? We so we. How can we meet you where you are and I it just? It's really fun and invigorating? To sort of think through that opportunity that experience in how you can really you know. Make it as easy. And maybe we'll they're getting with they're paying for right. Part of that is making it a great experience part of it is being super consistent right you. You're getting forty five minutes a week. Fifty three fifty minute episodes. It's like it's not. It might be a three hour. Podcast might be thirty but it is what it is and it's been very invigorating for for for me definitely and that's you know it's a sort sorta cleverness that. I don't think anybody's experienced yet because I think it's still so fresh for only twenty days in Cincinnati and so Maybe even less than that. So nobody's credit cards expired yet so they haven't. Nobody's gotten the podcast episode that that will pop into feed reader and say. Hey you're doing. A credit card has expired. Go to dithering to renew or whatever Lincoln your show notes. You just do it. Right during your podcast. I told you this. It's a funny story is back in the day and one of the reasons. It's such an interesting thing is i. I I without going into depth about it because we talked about it on on a strategic very last week. I'll put a Lincoln show notes. People can sign up and listen to that for free But you know in the history of daring fireball. I had custom. Rss Feeds for people who paid an annual membership fee and you've got full content RSS Feeds for daring fireball and people who didn't pay got just the top level expert of the article and you had to go to my website to read it and everybody is sort of similar. Everybody got their own personal url. It was like you know daring fireball dot net slash feeds slash and then like a unique token and. I built in thing. That said that if you know if they're year membership was up and it was time to renew. They got a custom item and addressed them by name. And it would say like you know Ben Thompson you know your membership to daring fireball has expired and I thought boy that's Clever. Won't that BE NEAT and people who you know because I thought you know my idea was hey you could. You don't have to ever go to my website again. Maybe you you love your feed reader so much once you have the feed. You'll just stay in the feed reader will. Here's how let you know that your membership has expired with a custom thing just for you. The thing I didn't anticipate was that people. Let's say somebody signed up and eleven months of daily reading of daring fireball. Everything that showed up in that feed was something I had posted to the tens of thousands of people reading daring fireball. And then all of a sudden one day their name is in what the headline mentioning that. They'd let their membership expire. They thought the public site that I was shaming them in front of the entire fireball audience for having let their membership expire and I got a couple of emails like that and they were always very nice and they weren't like because they of course it took them seconds to realize what was going on but they did have like a momentary and so. I rewrote the message. I forget what I did exactly but I did something to try to clarify it. Put something in brackets in front like the way that I fly like sponsorship message or something to make it clear that it was just for them. Because I hadn't anticipated and I go back and do that. Dow podcast because we do. That's probably gonNA happen to someone like way is this. Is this the whole and like the handful of people who wrote to me about? It always said the same thing. Which is that you know once you think about it. Would you know I subscribe to your side of a member because I know you and I trust you and you know? It's very out of character for you to to do this but still it was quite a shock to see my name in the headline field. That's amazing you remember expired your father because like if everyone like you everyone has a customer's sp like you. It doesn't they. Don't need all be the same. There's so much there's so much potential here and it's like do you know what though you know what people are going to ask for? They'RE GONNA ask for a check box for sports. Yeah well it's funny. I do want to build that for the has been doing. Just the daily updates where I read them. But I've been doing more and more interviews. Because it's like well. I used to do interviews occasionally. But you transcribe the whole thing. It's hard really retrench. Description can be very difficult whereas once I had the pocket said well they could go. Listen to the podcast so it made me want to do more of them. But then now I people go. I actually want podcasts. Only for the interviews. But that's actually something we're going to build like. It's it's not done yet but you'll be able to check cook check box and say I want this want that. I don't think you'll get that for dithering. Object just GONNA put a stake in the ground right now but yes we will. We will continue. Our descriptive are descriptive. New Chapters. I I'm okay with chapters but what the other said people might just be in their feed reader and never visit the site. That's I think that that is like the core like dithering ditherings like the realization. That vision right dithering is not a website. Dithering is something that lives in your podcast player. We don't have any expectation. You come back to see US. Come back and visit us. It's all in that MP3 player and you can. There's a link there if you want to measure subscription but the but even then it's like coming from the MP3 itself and really weaning into this idea that it's like a what is that it's not centralized at all. It's fully sort of like distributed. It's a distributed product in the way that sort of the openness makes possible. It just is native to podcast in your podcast APP. In a way that is to me very pure it is very pure to the medium of podcasting anyway. My suggestion I thank all of you who do listen to this show but I think that if you enjoy me and Ben Together you very high likelihood that you would also enjoy dithering. I've definitely encourage you sign up and I'll just emphasize only five bucks a month to start Seavula. And it's super easy to cancel if you don't and You know but I think you'll like yeah and a hit us up for refunded really. Hit the other thing. Is that my big concern? Starting this was okay. I mean how many times a year you think you're on the talk show traditionally probably three two or three. Yeah it's a one or two. I don't count. I rose. I'd been actually one of the most frequent guests by I guess but then I realized I've been doing surgery for seven years. It's it's amazing. How fast time flies but concern.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

03:40 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"I listen to podcasts all the time. I don't listen to Rogan at all whereas to imagine if I watch. Tv All the time. But I have never seen Seinfeld like it's unimaginable back then in a way it is very much today and Seinfeld is an interesting stake in the ground. To because Seinfeld's finale aired. Forget what year but I can't say I could. Yeah I could get it within a year or two because I knew it was within the two years of graduating from college because remember where I lived and I was only there for one year. So Yeah Ninety. Eight sounds right. And that's pre dvr revolution and and. I'm sure they're out there and probably people listen to my show among them who you could build your own. Dvr At the time but like Tito was relatively new in two thousand. Because I remember where I I saw. Tivo it keep. It was introduced in nineteen ninety nine year. Exactly right and I remember seeing the first time was at He was just blowing. Well Yeah I remember it was. I went to work at a bare bones. Software the makers Abebe at it and Amy and I weren't married yet but she moved with me and we went up and rich. Segal Co founder of bare bones software. has over to his house for dinner. It was delightful and and it was. I don't know who they were playing. In what level it was but it was in autumn and the Yankees were in the playoffs. And he knew I was a baseball fan rich himself baseball fan but he likes some other team at not the Yankees. I forget the name of them but anyway the Yankees are on TV but we had dinner and rich had Tivo and so we didn't have to eat dinner. Wall watching baseball it. He just paused it. And and there are no lag at all and we could fast forward these commercials and it wasn't like Oh when you're fast forwarding you just kind of have to guess how long and too far nope you could. Just watch them stream by and then right boom there we are and I mean we left and it was it. Was you know the perfect device to sell both me and amy on you know just as intersection of technology and my God? This is wonderful. We just literally the next morning went to best buy or wherever you went in two thousand two by TVOS and we bought a Tibo literally the next morning because we couldn't even wait wasn't even something. It was like me buying the belt you know it was like there is no way if they were still open at night. You know like we probably didn't leave his house until the baseball game was over. Probably like eleven eleven thirty or something like that. If you could still if you like. If best by twenty four hours we would have stopped at best. Buy on the way home. There was that kind of moment so I remember. That seinfeld was before that so everybody not only did everybody watch because there wasn't that much on TV but everybody watch Thursday at nine o'clock on NBC. Yeah to watch it. It's amazing this evolution. Technology point is really interesting though because you started out with TV broadcasts. Tv made it. So you can time shift right. That was that was the phrase that was used. And but I was thinking about this and you're talking about FM HOW FM radios used to be built into everything into your into your Walkman into you know your stereo whatever it might be and do you remember when the iphone first came out in like the rate association was like lobbying for Apple to include an FM radio into the phone. Oh Yeah what's funny is what used to be. Ubiquitous is now very hard to access rate broadcast you the streaming Enzo. Podcasts are actually easier to access in aggregate because your phone with you everywhere you always have an Internet connection.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

11:38 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"Statistics from a web server How that translates into actual listeners is sort of impossible to say it's the same gauging. The audience is always pretty difficult. Right you can measure how many subscribers you have but how many people read the subscription. I don't know how many people listen to a show. That's been downloaded. How many people download it three times? Because they have three different podcast apps that automatically download but they only listen to it in one. It's not one to one but you know you can kind of get a rough number. What was interesting. Actually as an aside. one thing that. I realize well sort of you writing about this stuff is it's hard to measure market share of podcasts players. In part because your typical pop player plugged into the open ecosystem downloads. Podcasts all the time you can set it to stream only but most people they just download the podcast and so when they hit play. It's already downloaded and they can play the MP three Whereas spotify because everything is streamed what spotify does to accommodate the world like because downloads sorta like the defined accepted measure in the podcast world. So spotify when you hit play will take tap the the the original MP three so it registers a download but then spotify just streaming it. But the implication is spotify spotify download is. If you go your analytics pay for your podcast. And there will be a spy category The spotify download is actually a listen because they only do that tagging. When you actually click play on the podcast which means that spotify is always undercounted. Because they don't have the bonus of downloading a bunch. Do I don only podcast that you never actually listened to and so it's kind of tricky actually to figure out how much market share do they have because they're downloads actually equal listens in a way they don't forget what else and they have? An incredible installed base already. I mean that's the point we're getting to. It's not like an upstart like luminary. Where luminary is this new. I guess it's a year old now You know that only does podcasts. And is only proprietary. Requires you to download the new thing. I get the point. I'm trying to make here. Is that if the only people who moved from Joe. Rogan's current podcast. That's open to his new one. That spotify exclusive are people who already as of today May Twentieth Twenty. Twenty already have spotify on their phone. That's it could work right because there's like two hundred eighty some million spotify users out there they don't need new spotify users to make the Joe Rogan deal work Presumably spotify probably a good idea that there's some number of tens of thousands hundreds of thousands perhaps Joe Rogan listeners. Who are huge Joe Rogan fans? Who Don't have spotify or don't subscribe or something like that who will and he'll have months to go in the rest of this year to remind people on a regular basis multiple times. A week is show is like three or four times a week. I think four times a week To say hey. We're moving to spotify get spotify APP. You know it'd be part of the show. I'm sure I mean it wouldn't make sense not to But they don't really have to get a new APP most of them right. That's exactly right. And whereas the the other thing with the luminary thing is to think about is luminary is wants to charge a subscription fee upfront. So not only. Do you have to download a new APP? You also have to pay whereas this is where it's important member. Spotify does have a subscription layer. Of course they and they say that. Some people that listen to podcasts. You know to convert and it's been good for that part of the business but this is really really ought advertising and there is a will thing that's about if I did on the West earnings call. Which was they shifted how. They accounted for content costs because they bought the ringer about the game. What so they're they're getting all these costs for producing content and they used to split the cost of proportionately between their subscription business and their advertising business. Because you know both sides listened to it. What they did was they went back and they said actually all these costs go on the advertising side of the business. And why do you do that? Because the point of accruing. Those costs is to build the advertising business. And that's just a more honest representation of your numbers and I think it really speaks to the fact that this makes sense to go back to the rogan thing. So He's switching over. Spotify is paying him this money because they want to build the advertising business whereas say luminary signed Joe Rogan and say it was successful in the way that serious was successful for Howard Stern right right. So luminaries super-popular podcast well. What Joe Rogan could do is go to luminary and say you need to pay me more? Because I'm the one driving all this money in a very direct way. And if you don't pay me more I'll just go independent as a whereas spotify spotify billion advertising engine that Joe Rogan or any single podcast couldn't because the scale of an advertising is so much greater than any one person whereas description is much more of a sort of one to one thing and that scale mismatch is why it's a win win for spotify in Rogan to work together whereas Rogan illuminaries would immediately be negotiating over who gets the biggest share of the of the subscription and Rogan. Would take the most go to stern so stern was subscribers. But you had have satellites in the air right now. Like devices at Stern could do that on his own so he needed the he needed. Serious serious had some sort of leverage in the relationship in a way that luminary. Because it's all just bits on the Internet do had no even luminaries succeeded even if they got tons of subscribers. What what happened is they would never ever make any money. Because the most popular podcast that drove this subscriptions would renegotiate to take all the money and so it was just a doomed model from the beginning because there. They weren't doing anything that any podcast couldn't have done on their own right it. It's that's the and that's the question that comes up. Is Is Joe Rogan. Better off. Now Dr Willie be better off. Twenty moves to spotify already with what's in arguably the the super popular podcast in already making tons of money and it's not that hard and you don't really need. There's not really a lot of overhead. You don't need to your point. They don't need satellites in the air. You don't need your own custom. You don't even your own custom APP right. Which isn't that much to ask. It's not that much to build but in fact it in the open podcast world. It's actually contrary it's a bad idea in probably slows adoption if you build your own app it's better all you need. Czar feed which really is technically speaking trivial to publish. That's right that's right. It's very interesting to think about. Because I mean he's so he's also making West than Stern Dead Reich is. Stern was making stern or what was making twenty million a year one hundred dollars a year. I think it's not twenty million. Yeah there's a fire deals for ninety million dollars or a five year deal for ninety million dollars. Yeah whereas the Roman thing I think could be up to one hundred dollars. So maybe it's maybe it's actually roughly comparable I heard it's for like three years or something and There's a signing bonus and increasing amount each year but then there's like performance incentives so. I guess actually fairly comparable but it's very comparable fifteen years on. There's some degree to which it's it's less but I think it's I think it's a win win for the. There's a degree if you're very big. Advertising is always going to be has the most up as far as sort of monetization goes like subscriptions are great obviously I built my whole career on subscriptions but you are by definition limiting your audience because people have to pay money to sort of get into your university and as always in you can't spread as well it's hard to get viral because people are always hitting pay walls like you. A implied in a subscription is making it more difficult for people in in some respects. I but well I got to interrupt it. Interrupt Live live correction here. I'm getting a feed here from the control room. Nope I we were wrong. I talked myself down. Stearns current deal from two thousand fifteen is a five year deal for ninety million per year. Okay that's I thought that's what I thought. Yeah so Rogan is making a lot less because he's making an average of ood. I think it's around thirty million once you once you sort of it all out. That's that's whisper. I don't know if it's actually true or not. It passes the sniff test though to me. In terms of how popular does just the sniff test of how popular does Joe? Rogan seemed to me in popular culture compared to Howard Stern and yet it seems to me like twenty twenty deal in a new compared to two thousand fifteen where there's a lot more money in the market and a player like spotify who wasn't in the market and Twenty fifteen. I mean spotify was around but they weren't throwing around hundred million dollar deals for podcast type hosts it just you know and I just think like you know in terms of Howard Stern and enormous pop cultural presence. He was For a couple of years. He was on the America's got talent show. I don't know if you've ever watched IT I. It's not the type show I watch. It's like one of those Yeah it's a talent contest with celebrity judges There's a bunch of them But they got Howard stern to do it for two or three years and I watched because of that. I've never watched before. And since he left. I haven't watched again but I watched when he was on and it wasn't even at great and he wasn't really as Howard Stern. It was sort of a dour you know it was appropriate for a primetime. Nbc Show but it still made for much better television than in my opinion than it was without him. If Joe Rogan became the host of America's are one of the judges on America's got talent. I think it would be news. I think it would bring in people but it wouldn't be the sensation that Howard Stern was so wrong that the Internet. Oh sorry. Go ahead. Rogan thirty million compared to Stern Ninety. Five year old deal. That's about to expire feels. You know passes the sniff test and this is the advantage that that Howard stern had right he might gripe about. I came up through the Control Board and you know worked my way up etc etc but if you were able to sort of get in the door because the problem was there was a door right. There a gatekeeper. And if you're able to get in if you were able to be William Safire you ought to be whatever might be the then you had very little competition in so you had situations where Howard stern could be on every radio station. All the entire country and people had nothing to listen to so they listen to the radio right. And you see this. Tv shows like Seinfeld back in the day. You know how the entire country be watching one. Show walkers there weren't that many shows to watch the Izzo there was it was very beneficial for you if you could get through the door and if you could get on top the payback was way greater back then whereas today. Sir Joe Rogan's the most popular podcast or Yacky has millions of downloads. But he's competing against hundreds not hundreds thousands if not millions of other podcasts in other uses for their time..

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

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02:24 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

04:42 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"He's been talking about a lot. But there's there's actually a few really interesting points in what you just talked about. You mentioned the well. Yeah it's different bandwidth but I think there's a certain sort of like there's a tech mindset which you know we were both share which at the end the day it's all ones and Zeros right taxed and and audio and video. It's all just going over the same pipes as it. Were in the same format right and the truth. Though is I actually think that the cost of bandwidth has fundamentally shaped the fact that taxed and audio and video. Art is totally different. I actually think that is all that matters it because it just wasn't you know you think about go back to napster sort of blew up in you know one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I believe it was ninety nine and it was on the edge of possible. If you're on a dial up which most people were. It would take an hour to download a song. We were on the university broadband network so it was like amazing but even then compared today it's still took forever but there's no way there are some people that were sharing video even at that time via you know you'd have these crazy sketchy sites eating right you do like FTP. Loggins like other people's computers across the Internet and insane and downloading. Like a movie it would come across is like fifty different files. You know that lit up in numbered and then you'd have software on your computer to to put them all back together but it was because the downloads were so unreliable and so slow that you couldn't possibly risk having one file of the whole thing because you know you might get ninety percent of the way through and somebody will pick up the phone and not just that but you would download it like a week and then you would play. There's like postage stamps size. Because it was so the like the size of video is so astronomically larger at. I think that's why it never became sort of user peer-to-peer sort of thing it was always been centralized services. Yes you can host your own video but you like I in today. It's actually more viable because of widespread. Cdn's and things on those lines. But it's already too late because youtube is dominant just. GonNa use Youtube professionally. Speaking Napster or not Nassar. Netflix's is sort of was early to this and establish a very dominant position whereas audio files because they were small enough they sort of US started out with a peer to peer thing and with everyone having a much MP threes and so spotify came in a very different position in the market because instead of competing against nothing like youtube was your Netflix's was it was competing against piracy and so that shaped how the service was created and formed and the same thing and so that's number one is different but the number two with podcast particular. Podcast started apple. Watch the PODCAST. Support in two thousand five or something. I think that I mean the name pockets even existed four. I think Dave Winer produce something along the lines late nineties. But you'll say mid two thousand so we're on then what's interesting is at the same time that Youtube started wasn't two thousand and six I think and the difference though is youtube grow up around Youtube and podcasts. Grew up around Apple Itunes and the reason why I think nothing has happened in podcast until the last couple of years is because apple was the only obvious candidate to do something about it and they just continuously chose not to do anything and so that left it. Sort of a state of Stasi's where if apple had cared to lift a finger they could have completely shaped and owned in dominated the entire market but by virtue of doing nothing nothing happened and also no one else could do anything. And what this whole job and think fits into this because it's an attempt by spotify to basically rest control of the system away from apple because without a centralized player it's never going to evolve beyond what it is and spotify not that's drives player now and they're trying to become it aren't let's take a break we can pick this backup and thank our next sponsor man. I love these guys. I am enjoying their product right now. Literally as we record the show yes please coffee. They spell it funny way speaking of taking out some vowels Y E S P L Z. Yes please coffee is the sponsor I wanNA tell you about. I'm enjoying some of their coffee right now..

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

03:36 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"Only I've told this story before but it's still my favorite is and I'm not. I'm not a like a radical on the issue. I just staunchly believe that. Fahrenheit is a better scale for for For weather because it's based on the human condition. Not who gives a crap? What the boiling point of water is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life that that's within a problem in Celsius is not precise enough right if it in the car like it adjusts it by point five because a single. It's too much for car. So yeah it's it's a Fairways Fahrenheit it's more finely greened in a positive way right. Well we're talking about this. This was and as this As we learn more about the COVID nineteen you know. We realized that fought. Fever is still very common symptom but it is an absent. You know there's plenty of people who wind up terribly ill who never have fever. You know. So it's it. It doesn't prove anything but in the early days they were like it was it was a lot of Make sure you don't have a fever. You know and even now you know like an it like I think you say that you guys go out to eat you get like temperature check and I know that. That's a worldwide thing at airports as as airports prepare for the return to some semblance of normalcy with travel that passengers will be given temperature checks. Just you know. Anybody has a raging fever. Let's let's get them out of the get them out of the queue. But I don't understand how you know you do it here. You get you two degrees. Hi Hey you might have a fever. You know Celsius. It's like what are you like a tenth of a degree often in. You've got a fever. I mean it's crazy. It is funny because that's one. I've had a harder time but it's weird because I think because I paid much more attention to fever temperatures once I had kids then before and so it's super locked into my head. The Celsius numbers that are relevant for fevers and actually have a hard time with Fahrenheit was like oh one hundred and three temperature. What does that mean is that bad? Honored Water go poor ice into the TUB and you know I mean you gotTa. You're in big trouble one hundred. No it's Nice 'cause one hundred one hundred major probably have a fever right so one hundred one hundred hundred is a thirty eight point three degrees Celsius in its thirty seven. Thirty seven is ninety. Eight point six Fahrenheit. Well what is it? Ninety eight point four and I. What is the fair? Well See. That's the thing I just linked to this for. Over one hundred years it was considered ninety six and ninety eight point six was considered normal. And and now they're saying experts are saying the average healthy human temperatures actually lower than ninety eight point six. But they don't tell you what it is. They're not saying it's ninety eight point two. They're just like Oh it's nights not ninety eight point six and the reason we've said ninety eight point. Six one hundred years was that there was some guy like in the eighteen ninety s who like went around and did the hard work of taking the temperature. Like five thousand people figured out the average is ninety eight point six but the consensus now. Is that everybody back then was actually sick all the time because right but this is an example easier thirty seven is normal and thirty. Eight is a fever. You don't get there's no decimal points necessary so maybe just by sort of my by luck in happenstance. It happens to be numbers. One hundred sounds dangerous. You know what I mean. That's the thing see. That's the thing that I love about. Fahrenheit and arguing with people about it is that the beauty of the metric system. Is this idea that you know it's based on.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

12:20 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"You ever had that thing. I sent you that link to the Tom. Hanks story about the time. Hague's moving on Apple. Tv pause and about three minutes. After I send it to you my computer sound like a freaking jet engine was taking off so annoying. You have these web pages that it's always like whack a mole like most webpages are finding that one comes along and your computer just blows up. It's it's not even browser specific it's I Gomez Safari but you know a safari die hard. I really like Safari. I prefer for a number of reasons but even in that regard and even running like the contact content blocker which sort of switched between data which I think blocks a lot of the most obnoxious ads and I kinda liked to keep mine. I don't want to block all adds. I'm not like a diehard on. I'd be a hypocrite if I were and some ways but even with that every once in a while my fans are roaring and I look and I can tell it safari from activity monitor but activity monitor. Won't tell you which tab safari up and I can just I have safari set. So that if I quit and relaunch it opens all the tabs. I already had open and I can quit and relaunch and we'll go from one hundred percents. Cpu usage to you know whatever normal is even with dozens and dozens of tabs. And there's no way to tell what the hell was that. Did it pretty clear that article? That page was definitely the culprit. What was the deadline? Hollywood something better. Yeah there's you can just kind of take a look at a page to sort of get a sense this. This is going to be good for my browser. Did you see that There's so much as we were talking about it on what's the other show called dithering dithering. That's it We were talking about it on dithering. D- We've been enunciated by with news to the point where I don't even remember the name of the show but one of the other bits of news this week was that the crummy crummy team announced that they're going to start process reaping obnoxious. Ad Tech And you know it's it's an interesting dilemma for them right. You know. They're gonNA process read their competitors. Is it yeah? Because basically it's like you know they've made some definitions and I think that By anybody's reasonable perspective it's You know they're they're they're they're airing on the side of reaping too few ads. I do think that there are ads. That would go within their their limits. For how much. I think they're talking about like CPU usage and overall download There are absent fit within their limits. That I think it's like well. Why in the world would you need? A single ad need three megabytes before it even starts like playing video or something like that that that's a lot you know in the process. Cpu stuff but basically the cynical take is Which adds qualified the ones that aren't served by Google right? Why it's I mean. The AD is one of those things where in theoretical world. It's extremely problematic in real world where I have. This varied big computer. That should have Very capable and takes off like a jet engine because loaded webpage. It's definitely necessary so It kinda goes get kind of stuck in the middle. They're they're calling them. Resource Heavy ads. I don't know if I quit. I'm looking at my own post here. I guess I didn't quote their limits but anyway I I hope Safari And Web kit get involved in this. I would love to see one of the changes to web kit on the MAC. Be some kind of way to more accurately pinpoint obnoxious web pages so that you could see it. I also feel that that web kids should be more aggressive severely limiting the resource consumption of background taps. If it's not the front most tab in the front window it really should not just to should be by by. It should be enforced that it could only use a minimal amount of CPU in the background. Yeah because that also gets in sort of this fuzzy space where in real world application yes. That's definitely necessary. Because you have to go hunting for a tab and I think you and I are both sort of a tab tab horrors. I actually only have forty four right now. Which is shocking we will. But it's it's forty four because I just had to just find the growth. Doubt that was spitting up like a again. That's what I was. That's what prompted this discussion so I just killed a whole bunch of them but it was definitely well over hundred before So I WANNA hand yes. It's necessary on the other hand. It gets back into the whole like well. That's Kinda like what does is very strict on or background processes in. I don't know the specifics of safari on our westbound. Imagine the same thing that ground tabs insofar in IOS are basically dead. Yes but that gets into the whole like well. That's that's great for Iowa. That's all this stuff I don't want on the back and what full background processing. I want to be able to do all sorts of stuff so if it was an option. I think that'd be better like it. I don't think that's the that's the solution. I think for a lot of these. Tensions is there to be more options in less sort of this. Where the highway on the Mac specifically? Because you've gotta you gotTa set this Article Return on the broadcast. Your old the Mac. Let's the IRS. Be What it is because the Mac can do everything right and you start walking on the Mac. It's like well would wear where. What's what's the release valve. Was the pressure Bellevue. That was the worst. Admit that was the worst paraphrasing of that you've ever done and you have rotted of every time. I I usually have the worst memory but because it was a good line that I wrote a long time ago I have it more or less. I forget if I call it. Ios or not. But I think my paraphrasing of the phrase was it would be the heaviness of the MAC is what allows the iphone to remain light but maybe it was Ios to remain light. I forget I might have even written it when the I wasn't even out yet. I think it was probably more like twenty twelve or so but yeah I still think that that holds true and I still think that that's an interesting it. Certainly I think is true inside apple in terms of the whole ongoing debate of the IPAD. That's in dispute right like it. Nobody's really arguing that the iphone needs to do more stuff that the MAC does or that. The Mac needs me more like the iphone right. It's the IPAD in the middle that is sort of. Hey you know this is better than that. This is good for work. You can't do work all these debates. It's all about the IPAD. But it still. I don't really care about the witcher. I mean I care to a degree but just make sure the Mac can keep doing everything that it can do already but it is still true. Even though it's not in dispute about the iphone the heaviness of the MAC and like one of the things that heavy on the Mac is that it has this whole UNIX layer where you can just run old you know. I say old but I realized that I'm sure hundred percent sure that there are dozens of people listening to me. New Talk Right now in. May Twenty twenty on this show. Who Today edited Shell scripts on on their Mac. So say old. Only in terms of the fact that writing UNIX style shell scripts is a long standing thing. Not that it's outdated or irrelevant. But it's a big part of the build script phase of ex code where you can do custom things when you build and run your APP in Ex Code. It can call out to a shell script. That might do something custom to your organization and it's just the whole the whole idea like one of the very heavy things is what I'm getting at that the macktaz to allow Iowa to remain light. If you WANNA ride in Iowa this APP give do it on a Mac. So the IPHONE doesn't have to worry about things like well. How in the world are we going to let developers right IPHONE APPS on the IPHONE? They don't even have to worry about it because they say you have to use it to do it. This is a good example y. On one hand me on the talk show is a useful sort of a guide to dithering the other hand. It's also a terrible guide. We are now eight minutes thirty seconds in nine minutes in and are not even remotely close to getting to a point we may have got to already got on a Mac ipad. Shell script digression. That wasn't part of the news. I'm talking about so let's just because we we we've been doing a little bit of a gig on dithering where people are like alternate titles for this show. And one of the alternate titles was a brief digression. Yeah and it's funny. Because we've gotten very good at making their brief digression whereas the subtitle for the talk show is an extended digression right we have. We can talk about it. But I when I digress. While we're doing dithering I tried it in the back of my head and I know that I've gone over because I actually can't hold my breath that long but I think to myself see you can do it in one breath because it might actually be somewhat short here. Let me just interrupt right now and then we'll start. We'll pretend like starting episode of tutoring. But let me just start right now. Early on with the first Thank you to a sponsor at circuit friends at Lynn owed. I used to call him. Lie Node because that's what it looks like to me ally Anno D E. But it's actually pronounced Leonard because it's a node like thing like server and they host Lennox which is pronounced Lynn so Leonard Cloud hosting. I guess I should have figured that out but like a lot of words in the English language I pronounced it wrong but you won't pronounce it wrong because you hear me saying that right now. Look this is where I host daring. Fireball I love love. 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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

13:10 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"Your your thousand true fans would every charge them then you could work for year you come back to charge the same users again and they were happy happy to pay you because they loved your application. It was very useful for them. You do more all aspect is missing because of the APP stores limitations and my the reason why I think the IPAD never reaches potential. We never got the sort of dhx transformative use cases that were that. Were not recreating it. Creating the Mac Bora creating something entirely new and powerful is because there was no money in it and you. Clint like to create something. White Garage Band requires a huge amount of resources. It means making a big bet cause to billing software to spend all the time and money upfront creating that and they have to put out there prefer cell and hold people come along and tell their friends and then we'll buy an upgrade like who who. Why would you make that bet if you're in the store environment there's no business model to justify it which mentos applications never got made and and this is an apples apples sort of tragic weakness? They you want to control everything and that control meant. They tried to use that control to make the IPAD better. What can we control? We can control the hardware. Great will make the hardware much better. What can we control we control yes? Great we'll take the OS and we'll add a bunch of stuff that maybe that's what people will like what apple actually needed to make make. The IPADS accessible was to loosen control was to give more freedom more possibilities so that developers could make these transformative experiences that that took the potential of a device that could change into anything you wanted to be and to fully realize that you mentioned I forget get what year you took the numbers from but there was a point and its first hand and to me. It's the one where the MAC was clearly. Strongest was the desktop publishing industry. And there were other areas newsworthy. Mac Did and has continued to thrive education in some ways but Desktop publishing is near and dear my heart and it truly transform ends form the industry as a ten year old product and I again. It's exactly how old the IPAD is the graphic design industry whether you're like an illustrator doing and page layout in quirk or page maker at the time Or whatever you all the very things you could do photoshop. Nobody who was a professional rational illustrator or photographer or layout artist was using computers in nineteen eighty. Four there were. I mean not shouldn't say nobody but I mean but it was a obscure. You're using these text based things and nobody really. It was just computers. Just weren't part of it and by Nineteen ninety-four nobody. Nobody was not using a computer. It in ten years everything was computerized everything. All all paid out every newspaper every magazine every advertisement everything that was going to print went through computer software and it was either on the Mac or it was windows versions of APPs on the Mac. Probably it was through the MAC. I remember when I was doing print stuff in the nineties. You used to have to pay more if it was windows. formatted stuff sometimes uh-huh than if it was MAC because the print shops anticipated so many problems with like color separation and stuff like that they literally charged more because it was so fundamentally Mac based what are the industries like that that have been transformed by the IPAD and there are some. Somebody pointed out that that ipads are huge with pilots lips. I get it so saying that there's none is is an overstatement. There are APPs like procreate that are really really great and on the IPAD and and I think the Pencil drives a lot of that we procreate and in it's great in a way that you just couldn't really do procreate create does on the Mac it really needs that direct manipulation but it it. There's just nowhere near as much of it as there could be. What is look at the companies? I mean the in one thousand nine hundred. Four Adobe did not exist in nineteen ninety-four it did is worth a billion dollars worth two billion at the time. Is that if you if you go back through the entire history. I think that's a reason. Why Apple has been has been so unfriendly relatively speaking to developers? They don't want another adobe because they'll be famously would would not support Os ten and You know apple never wanted to position where they were dependent on Microsoft and adobe and so the of what happened though in the long run is a much the only companies making like written the Super Complex applications for the IPAD because they have barger business models titles that justify it. And that's the whole point like like the graphic design revolution which you cannot overstate like. That's that graphic design. There's a publishing. That kept the MAC alive. The only reason that apple is around and the reason we have iphones ipads and also talk about is because when apple was at what is lowest point people who were in desktop publishing. We're still buying Max right. That's how that's how dominated was in. That was not buying it because MAC paint right mack. Paint was a demonstration of what was possible. And then you had companies like all this come along with page maker or core of court express unite. Both cut are both cookie cookie cutter teeth uncorking express and Adobe with first illustrator and Photoshop and then the Acrobat pdf and then they came along with Do to compete. What's their CORTEX? Restaurant Asfaw competitor in design and basically built their company on the MAC and third party. Developers are what made the MAC transformative transformative and powerful. And why because it was it was open. You could go on there and you could charge what you wanted to charge. You can charge it when you on a charge charge for upgrades apple have any control over that and that made it entirely possible again. Everything's a trade off. Is the title door. Encryption talk before there are huge benefits to APP to the APP store to security lead to customers feeling safe with their with their being willing to buy applications. This isn't deny any of that but there has been a tremendous loss in business model. No flexibility that in my estimation is the biggest reason why the IPAD has not reached a potential. It's not to say that is not valuable as it is. It is but it is. It is so much closer to what it launched as V. One way we're so much closer to the IPAD one keynote and it feels like we're farther away than effort from the I had to keynote. And that's what makes me sad. That's why I call it a tragic. It's it's not that it's a failure. If that it it there was the possibility of something something completely new and I just feel. We never really reached that potential. Yeah I feel the same way You know we took very different. I mean and I have more to say but you know mortar right as in. Hopefully I'll get around to it soon. But in the weeks to come and I focused on specific details user interface gripes in your your complaint is much more big picture picture but fundamentally it's two different angles on the same thing which is that. It didn't live up it hasn't hasn't yet lived up to its potential Joel and and it could still but would require a require leadership at apple to acknowledge that it hasn't lived up to its potential and I seriously question whether that's there. I really do feel that. There's I can't help but think that and to me I pat O.. S. Thirteen is is the evidence of it that this is the one they decided to give the new name to say. It's its own ass its own. Os It has its own name and didn't really backtrack from any of this and hasn't really Ino and the other thing we can mention on this and I feel like it's held the IPAD back more than the phone is the thirty percent slash fifteen percent percent tax. Would everyone not tax. It's a tax but the you know the revenue that apple wants to insist it gets through APP store purchases for anything anything and everything that goes through an APP and I can't help but think that that's hurt and and it gets to your issue of insisting on control as opposed to just leading adding third party developers have more freedom on the platform. That's that's absolutely part of it. But also there's an aspect of the more specialized in nation by definition the smaller your audience and the way the APP store has worked as. It's always if you want to make money you need to sort of have access is to to the largest audience possible and we're whereas if you WANNA make if you have a knee shop you want to make more money from fewer people right. This is my business model right I. I'm not trying to sell strategically to a million people. What I WANNA do is sell it to a much smaller number of people but they pay me money continuously so I get a lot of money outta my average revenue per customer is is is very high? That's very hard to do with an application because the way it worked on the MAC previously was you. You would sell an application for say fifty dollars then a year later you have an update to the application and you could maybe sell you have upgrade pricing. So if you're an existing user so you can buy for thirty five dollars or news by fifty dollars and what this lets you do is. You're getting like fifty dollars or three dollars per customer per year year over year over year that justifies this ongoing sort of investment. Now things are a little better now because you can do subscription pricing but the problem is is that is so sort of consumer hostile in a way. Like you have to pay or you'RE GONNA lose access to your application. There's no like that we've seen this again and again where where APPs developers switch to this model because because it's the only way they can survive right you have. You can't make money always selling to new users. It's it's impossible. You have to be able to make money from your existing existing users on an ongoing basis the oil apple subscription pricing which is an awkward fit for productivity APPs. Anyway and then there's this gut wrenching transition where everyone accuses you of being a bad person because you're now you're charging descriptions have just signed that letting them own it Sarah Cetera the prompted. The can't do otherwise because apple never gave them the tools to do to do otherwise. And it's a shame like who in their right mind is going to start a company today. That is focused on building complex new to the world transformative IPAD applications white. There's no one that's going to do it. The only one that's going to do it as Apple Wall and apple doesn't everyone seems to have the vision to do it in any way to have one company. Making everything is not a viable outcome anyway so they should be making a platform form a tragedy. This is the tragedy that I wrote about this back when the I pencil came out the real tragedy of the ipad is it would be such a better product if Microsoft owned it because Microsoft understands how to build a third party platform and to and to make possible. The problem is that you earned the right to be a platform by building a great product and my great Bronx Microsoft got the windows platform by whatever Djing. IBM basically to get computers everywhere and then they already had the the platform and then it could be a good pot from provider right the way it works in the consumer market it. Is You have to sell something. That's compelling by itself where users want it and buy it and then once you have the install base now your platform and that's not Microsoft does not Max offers good at. They're not good at building. Super Friendly user consumer products that people just want to buy in their own right. And so you have this weird situation where in an ideal world world we could have apple create. These new concepts is new ideas new products like an IPAD and then they can hand it off to Microsoft manage and then we could have a flowering owlry developing developer ecosystem on top of it. That help it reach its full potential but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. WHAT APP do you? I wanted to ask you this. What APP do you use? I making your your drawings strategically on the IPAD so the APP is for many years was was paper by fifty three Paper has since they're acquired. I think they're still around but basically failed They only ever made money by selling a stylus and then the game out which made their application way better and also destroyed their Kabila and make money again because I would have I would have paid for upgrades continued to that application but they charged me once like ten dollars and I use it for a years and made a ton of money using their application and they got none of that so I- increasingly used linen. Al From from from the folks that I can factory. Ah So I still use paper for a couple of things..

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

09:41 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"Of four possible combinations. Great it's ten thousand zero zero zero zero two nine nine nine nine and the average time you divide that by two and take guests guests that if you're guessing all of them half the time you're going to guess one that's before you get halfway. Through the average time it would take to guess. Four digit numeric numeric. Pass Code seven minutes. Six numbers is eleven hours. So those are the. That's the default option now feud by a new iphone into set up from scratch. Apple's going through the the wizard. Whatever you WANNA call it? When you start up basically steers you towards six digit numeric pass code It only takes eleven hours for one of these devices to guess it at that eighty milliseconds per second and double it go to twenty two hours and you'll exhaust the entire space so a maximum of twenty two hours eight digits if you go custom forty six days and then a ten digit pass code twelve years. So that's pretty big digit but you can do Alpha numeric codes so then you're right dramatically increasing the space because now it's thirty six possible characters though. No no actually. And if you go upper case now you're up to sixty two and if you just count a handful of punctuation characters like underscores hyphens ends and periods. You know you can get up to sixty four sixty five sixty six characters so just you know. These are numbers from Jack. Nicholas from the Times but I did you know you can. You can do the math yourself like I said if you just count sixty six character. Space Fifty two letters upper case lower case ten digits and Dash underscore period and comma or the hash down or something or a space. Space is easy to type and often good. For memorizing you know passcodes four character Alpha numeric seven days six characters seventy two years. That's on average hundred forty four years to exhaust the whole thing and eight eight characters just eight characters upper case lower case digits not even counting punctuation two hundred seventy six thousand years. So so there's there's nothing applicant about it. This is like the. I was so exhausted. Researching this with a sandbar deal thing and I realized this this time because we've been talking about it too. There's actually more stop stuff has changed since then. Two and one thing that's changed is what is done in the enclave. And what's done via the Os and and the OS still controls the white the phone after X. number of tests and that's the big thing that they want to raise the other thing that I found out actually I wasn't clear on this and and and and and and apple actually about this was the the there is because it's a serum flavor. It's like a mini computer in your computer right people. We'll think about as being sort of safe but like we're dealing with the computer right and what. It is is a mini computer with its own processor effectively but I mean it has its own software. That's actually different different from the US software and that software can be updated update the software and the secure enclave. However you do need the password to update the software swear and so the the So tech theoretically you could update the software and the secure enclave. New still can't escape the mathematical reality reality of of Yasser Decryption. This you could but if you wanted to maybe move. The data to a different device that's faster et Cetera. That's still limited by. You would still need to change your software on this wave itself and that is limited by your passcode dope. Basically Apple has made it so it has to be because of its entangled with with that in that that hardware on on the device it has to be done on the device which is mathematically limited to eighty milliseconds. Oh seconds and so if you make an Alpha numeric password of you know x number of characters it doesn't matter what the FBI does what apple does basically squeezed breakable. Yeah and so the I opening lesson from that is something. I'd never really heard before and I will say until two weeks ago. I had been using six digit numeric passcode code on my iphone IPAD. Ever since six digits became available and before that I was using four digits Partly out of laziness partly out live a perfectly reasonable and I'm not trying to say I'm virtuous that it's actually just. I'm very boring. There's nothing there's not a lot on my phone on that. That would be terribly upsetting for me if a thief cracked it and got. I mean especially without my keychain chain right it's still wouldn't get you into You know like my daring fireball server account or something like that just because you got into my phone i. I don't think I would relish it. I hope nobody does but my thinking until recently was six. Digit passcode is good enough for me. But when I saw these numbers burs and saw the you know could be cracked in eleven hours on average. Twenty two at the Max. I thought you know what I should do. The right thing and switch to Alpha numeric type A passcode. But the thing that to me. I want to emphasize. I think it's a good tip is when you think about this. Eighty millisecond limit. What we all know about picking good pass? Phrases doesn't really apply to this like an eight character for most uses when we're picking a new password for an online account. Everybody you know that a lot of places this is won't even let you take an eight character pass code because they say it's not long enough eight characters as long as you're using like upper case lower case in a digit or punctuation actuation mark. You're literally talking hundreds of thousands of years to crack you can pick. You don't have to sacrifice. A ton of convenience is is what I'm trying to say and pick fifteen to twenty character. Pass Code with a couple of punks. You know where and where. You're typing it on the phone. You're shifting between all of these keyboards you know. It makes it all the harder to type and you can't see what you've tight because they're coming up bullets so if you make a Typo it's Oh you know you're you're typing it over and over again. You can err on the side of a very convenient pass phrase that you wouldn't ordinarily use for most things and literally we have your phone be secured for one hundred thousand years of cracking attempts. You know eight or nine characters and you're really good really good good right. Because those those passcodes generally like they're running them on like supercomputers right and that's why they have to be super long incorrect. And then they can they can like eighty milliseconds. It sounds like a small amount of time in computer world. It's just an astronomically long amount of time that that right we used to your advantage adage. Yeah and the. I'll just repeat something Glenn emphasized but it's worth a memory but is that asterisk so long as you don't pick a dictionary word where the dictionary isn't necessarily like the scrabble dictionary but like common dictionary of people's common passwords like P A S S W W Zero R D. Don't use that one because they're going to any smart cracker is going to run through commonly used passwords like that before they start guessing by iterating through all possible combinations. So as long as you pick something that you can memorize and isn't a commonly I used word or a password or your firstborn child's birth date in numbers with slashes. You are good for hundreds of thousands the years and you do not need. It's in fact counterproductive. You're just wasting typing and thumbs in your time by picking a twenty character pass phrase that you would use if you were setting up a new account online this phone password specifically why your your device pass code and I have to say. Now that that I've changed mine to an Alpha numeric. I have to say now it. It really has become clear how seldom I have to enter it really. It really does not come up very often often. I had to do it today because I just upgraded to the new. There's a new dot release and so I had to type it on type it to allow the update to install in type. It wants the phone on restarted and I was like I haven't typed this days. Well IT TURNS OUT IF YOU'RE IN ASIA and you're wearing a medical mask you actually putting it in a lot because you're facing more we have to. We'll have to touch on that. After the break I take a break but I just I went out today after. I should tell you the story. I'd the post office today. And all my way to to Asian people. I don't know I have no idea if they're tourists. I don't know if they live here. I don't know what they were Asian Asian and they were wearing medical masks. And I'm just like do you know something I don't know like I'm trying not to get freaked out by this whole corona virus thing and not get you know. There's a Germaphobe in me that the dying to get out and I'm like seeing people walking around the street with medical masks. I'm like should I have one of those. Should you might get one of those. I don't know I think you're okay with that one. Yeah I think so too but anyway let me take a break and thank our next sponsor. 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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

12:41 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"We're GONNA make people so angry on episode. Well just for the record it is it is seven six. AM At a holiday week. The kids are still in head and I insisted I'd be happy to wake up early because this is a very excited about this this episode which we've been it was funny because we'll get to it later but but I was actually confused when you when you posted because we'd been talking about for so long. I thought you'd already written about it. Oh no we'll have to get to it then We have some sad news though to talk about I. We have to to Obituaries to the to touch upon the one everybody assures heard about his Kobe. Bryant Lakers superstar. which I hate to say? Almost most underselling what he meant to basketball and the world at large died to pass away with his his thirteen year. Old Daughter in a helicopter after accident. Sunday afternoon. Just shocking and Clayton Christianson. We can talk about after Kobe guests. lost A. He was only sixty seven. which again me nowhere near as young as Kobe? Of course who is forty one but still just sixteen. That's how you know you're getting old is when you hear somebody died at sixty seven and you think oh too young when he died. He lost a battle with leukemia This week to actually I wrote about them in conjunction because because it was it was interesting because I plan to write about Christianson. Obviously it's been a huge impact on trajectory and on me and didn't really didn't know him but but still you know of anyone that's sort of been impactful on what I write about. He's certainly top of the list and figure that's sort of widely known in pretty widely revered in in Silicon Valley and what was interesting about it with within within the Kobe news happened. And what was the age thing. That was so striking to me because a lot of people that have died or in the older we get the more the people that are like. We're familiar with and it's just Kinda like something that that we have to deal with. The they still always seem so when I looked up to and you know a Christian to your point is sixty seven which is a unfortunately too young. But it's still you don't twenty eight years older than I am. And and you and it's like doc band that that's a shame I hope I live longer than that you know his family etc etc.. But it's still like in your the way they're like in your head is someone that's you look up to right where whereas Kobe Hughes the same age as me right I mean he's two years older and and so yes. You look up to we sort of ethnic accomplishments and you know. Kobe's is a very complex character. That is never far from mind. I think particularly people my age because of you know the the various sort of the allegations against him from Colorado. That's sort of like when you grew up within. That was what I remember high school I remember when he came to NBA. Remember when when the titles Shack Jack Remember when that trial sort of dominated you know the news I remember when when he came back to win the title again and it was much more of a Sam. Sam Kobe's peer but it's like my. My relationship with him is so much different than my wishes with Christianson neither am I knew but just because the the age was very different so is way more jarring for me like dramatically jarring. It's like this is like my contemporary. I'm a little bit in between I mean I'm forty six so Jordan's ten years older than me and Kobe was five years younger. So I'm a little closer in age. Koby but he always felt you know and it is one thing I know. I don't want to turn this into a sports episode of the show but one thing about being a sports fan is you're far more than other forms of knowing famous people like following politics closely or Like traditional celebrity news like like actors and actresses is your acutely aware of their age in your age you know like how old is Brad Pitt. I don't know I have no idea that God doesn't seem to age Tom Cruise. I mean Jesus Christ guy looks exactly this same as he did twenty years ago and can keep these guys can keep making the same sort of movies they used to make I mean Harrison. Ford Ford is making was still making action movies. I mean he looks as AIDS now but I mean they're still gonNA make a new Indiana Jones movie. You know what I mean like. Athletes don't get to do their thing when they're honestly pushing forty. You know it's A. It's it's a wonder that there are quarterbacks in the NFL or forty forty one forty two to still doing their thing basketball doesn't really work that way although somebody just saw somebody in the NBA is forty two. I'm still logging minutes but What Eh Vince Carter? Huge exception and through the NBA is in particular. Because it's so I mean the edges are so small as sort of athleticism like there's there's guys that are coming coming in the week now and they're coming in and it's like Oh he's twenty one years old like in that like reduces his value as a prospect him because he has like as a nineteen year old like those two years of potential development development. Make a big difference but then case is to your point. Yeah you're super aware of how everyone is because it's a critical part of evaluating you know their you another potential you know how much it should be paid etc etc and in yeah in like. They're like the prime of your career is like twenty seven to twenty nine years old and and and yeah and so the guys that guys sort of retire. It's like yeah they've been on the downsizing for a while you gotta know what's coming and and certainly we went through that with Bryant and And Yeah but but it's like it makes it almost more tragic in a way because it's like now now one hand it's like if I was put on Earth play basketball. He played basketball played. It well accomplish all you could accomplish. And that was that on the other hand you know he more than more than most athletes really seemed to be leaning into sort of you know his second act as totally and and he was so clearly you know for for you know again. Say what say what you will. And what needs to be said about his past who so clearly devoted to his family family and the reason the helicopter was because he wanted to be able to drive his school in the morning and pick up in the afternoon and the only way that was viable in Los Angeles so he he's been on thousands of helicopter rides and it's like Oh man it's it's rough. Yeah I saw. There's a just a heartbreaking clip I mean all of its bringing this tragic but there was a clip him on the Jimmy Kimmel show recently and I guess he has or had four daughters and one was born in tune but the one who's older second daughter was thirteen and she was the one who who died with them when the helicopter crash going to basketball game but he was talking to Jimmy Kimmel and I didn't see the initial context for the interview but it was basically that people keep coming up to him and say. Hey you got all these girls were you gotta keep going. You gotTa have a boy someone to carry on your legacy. You know. Have a have a boy and he was like. Hey I already got a kid is going to carry on my legacy. gee-gee you know his daughter and that she's really good at basketball. Ask Ball and that's the one that died with him and then I was watching some clips on twitter of her plan and man play she made as a thirteen year old. It's like Oh my God and there was this play where she stole the ball. I get a press and then like did like a spin move between two defenders and then like the nicest little easiest finger roll and it was like all my God that she's got you know she had it just tearing up as I think about it. I mean I'm not. I'm a sports fan. Certainly not a Lakers fan but man when somebody dies I mean. You don't have to root for the team to just your heart just goes out and you're a bigger basketball fan than me but man and you just Cobi meant to to that generation of players. It's just unbelievable. The lesson has been super super striking to me. Because for you and I it was Jordan. Great Jordan was the guy I mean just to do a rough analogy like Jordan was like the quake Christians and fervor me like where you look up to him like you grow up with him like he came in the week. You know what I was just I was just a kid and his dominant years in the nineties. I was in high school and so you know he was. Someone like US older alert like he was used their presence. My whole life like even like the bird and Johnson. You'll magic Johnson era like. That's probably would. They were for us. What Jordan was for meat like they were already there when I most remember them as a little kid well remembered the decline? I remember sort of their their prime. Yeah I was AH AT THE AGE difference. Is such that the bird magic. Dr J. era is little bit more for me. What Jordan was for you? But like burden Magic's rookie year was seventy nine or eighty. Eighty seventy nine dash eight. Maybe like where the eighty The one thousand nine hundred finals was the one where Kareem had the the killer migraine grain headache couldn't play magic. Who was point guard played center came into Philly and one huge game as the center when he played i? I mean it helps. When you're six nine you know you can just sub in for Kareem abdul-jabbar in the NBA Finals as point guard? The greatest players of all time but still it it. It just showed that he was there but nineteen eighty seven years old. I don't I don't frigging remember. I can't say so I. By the time I really understood basketball bird and magic magic in Dr J.. We're already guys. You know what I mean. They were just there they were just they were the NBA and Jordan was the first player at that level level. Like someone who's in the argument for best player of all time and who I still would say is the best player but somebody who was in that argument who I remember like being drafted rafted playing I remember Jordan playing college. I remember when Jordan was on the Olympic team with Bobby Knight as the coach and I remember I remember the one I mean again. I WanNa talk about Kobe but I just remember like as a seminal moment I remember the time this eighty eighty six. When Jordan had a knee injury missed ton of the regular season and played in the playoffs and lit the Celtics up for like sixty four points in a playoff game and the Celtics ended up? Want but bird bird said something after the bird was like the most competitive rotten son of a bitch whoever played sports and he was just like even though they hadn't finished Mr Series eight he was a yeah. He's the best player of all time which is not easy for those guys to say no not easy for Larry Bird deal. But that's the thing though is like the way we feel about Jordan in Burr. Or you feel about your bird magic. That's all the players today. Phil Kobe tonight. And so it's like when you see them so devastated and Th Th that all the guys like looked up to him and and And he was like he's like he's your favorite players favorite player. You the way to think about it and you can understand. It was like an age thing that makes me feel old right. It makes me feel all to see all these. NBA players that. I love to watch. But they're all at least ten years younger than me so of course Kobe's their guy in Jordan and I know all of these guys a exactly what you said. They're all he meant so much to all of these guys in so many of them say yeah. That's the guy who I watch and I was. Yeah I WANNA I wanna be in the NBA. One of the guys. Who stood out to me? I I mean they have so many comments. So many tearful interviews you know in the last few days but I- steph curry was talking by Steph curry and Steph said That the searing memory for him was that game or Kobe scored eighty and he's like look. I Know Wilt Chamberlain scored one hundred you know. But I can't relate to that you know Internet at the battle that might stand for ages but you know that was like nine hundred sixty one or something like that like these guys saw Kobe. Bryant score eighty points in a game. And that's like with Steph was saying saying like I saw it and it was like the modern game like I and I know now I'm in the League and I know what that means you know like I know how impossible that is to Iraq eighty points in a game and it's just unbelievable with the other thing. The other thing with him is I wasn't like wasn't a Kobe Fan. I've been you know. There's a.

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

05:31 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"And what i like about the charging is you've said on their it buzzes and it's going to actually chart it's not going to like your wake-up vitamin phone so the i have is yours at my desk to i i could plug it in there that probably be fine i plug it in accord get after it so yeah the they're gonna use what they have and and again i i can see the allure i have no desire to us chinois i can't see how this would be a problem i don't think there's going to be any kind of delay come out well and there never was an iphone eight s the name is available i'm guessing that's how you pronounce it i don't know i don't have it they should give everybody should not give me pronunciation notes i'm going to call it yes please but it's about why ES beans into your kitchen do you need a coffee subscription how often do you run out of coffee at home if it ever happens to you you should treat it as an emergency and get a coffee subscription also know that scoring.

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

18:37 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

21:00 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

04:51 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

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"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

The Talk Show

14:08 min | 1 year ago

"ben thompson" Discussed on The Talk Show

"Just kicked out the cord to my mac book pro and guess what it's not a problem because i'm still using twenty fourteen macbook pro with mag safe there you go there you go you know i was thinking about this invention i'm still getting feedback from people about that brian the articles i made a special place to do it well i also think there wasn't that one two or we sung your praises disgust something kind i appreciate it is sick i knew you're gonna listen to son of a bitch a but anyway one aspect of this is like the the whole theory that people like me and eli and other people who write these reviews are cheerleaders telling people to go by the newest thing by the newest thing by the news thing just isn't true and the fact that i'm using twenty fourteen macbook pro it's literally five years old at this point i believe i even bought it around this time of the year in twenty fourteen so i'm using a five year old laptop right now literally to record the show i've been typing almost everything i've written and for the last year or so on this machine i still love it it is it is i need right like five year review of this thing because i do believe if that is the single greatest computing device i've ever purchased in my life i love it i i had the exact same generation and i also loved it and it was absolutely fantastic and then i dropped it and now i have won the new frozen i don't like it nearly as much i can promise you that do you know what it has that's wrong i don't know if you've seen this i know siracusa had other people oh how to and it was a known issue that apple had like a support page up around the display the black basil around the display it is there's some kind of adhesion that keeps the plastic surface to whatever's behind it and at some point i mean at this point i've had i've had the problem longer than i didn't have it three three years ago maybe more it's it looks like the screen needs to be cleaned like it looks like something you could just wipe i know exactly that is rose at the i had that for sure for sure and my thing was unfortunately i i put on i liked i like the messenger bake style i think it's much more convenient for putting in out but i like carrying things as a back back because i destroyed my back carrying around a messenger bag back back in business school so so to me makes us great bay where you use it like a messenger bag but it has backpack straps and also a little thing to put over your carry on for the perfect so brilliant so when you're actually like walking great distances backpack and then right before you meet people you can turn it as and look a little bit and look a little bit i don't carry the message strap so but he does like briefcase handles you can carry it or i have no shame so it's fine but but the put it because it probably the zippers from the side and i had it zipped up the computer part where you put the computer in so i throw it over my shoulders and the computer goes flying the side and and that was that was the and my beloved i think it was two thousand fifteen the last year that they had that model i think when my beloved twenty fifteen thirteen appro i could be even be missed remembering mine might be a twenty fifteen actually i guess i can just go to about this mac if you've talked about before mid two thousand fourteen i'd just talked myself out of it but anyway i've had this adhesion problem around the basil for like three four years even and apple had a page they and it was a known defect and their thing was just bring into the store we'll take one look at it as soon as we bought it we will take your macbook away and fix it i don't want him to be i said i don't wanna be without it for a day and i kind of have grown i went through the stages of grief with some kind of physical effect on it we're now i feel like it's charming it doesn't affect the pixel areas so it's not like there's a section of my screen at the right side where i'm looking at a defect a really is only most noticeable when the screen is off it's like how often do i look at the screen when it's officers they lift the lid screen comes on so no it's funny i totally had that problem i now that you mentioned i didn't i didn't even know what was either i just kind of ignored it you're right it wasn't on the screen it looked like it was dirty and it didn't really matter so look like a weird steinle you spit milk on your screen or something or worse but it really did i noticed it uh i really was like lady macbeth moment where i'm sitting there like you know like hopping on screen to partner i better go get the serious screen cleaner and nothing worked and google it and say oh known defect and then as soon as i found a known defect and i see apple's policy they will fix it i immediately stand up and think like well i'm going to walk to the apple store right now and then i thought about it i don't wanna be without this machine you know there's i have a big and i think you subscribe to the same theory with my with my max i have a very strong if it ain't broke don't replace it don't replace it and don't update the the west until the absolutely absolutely have no choice i didn't used to have that opinion with their OS i would i guess i would never update on day one of a new major new operating system but i would upgrade quickly but now i'm i don't think i upgraded to catelli not catalina catalin is the next one i'm so sick of these goddamn names i'm ten fourteen i didn't upgrade to ten fourteen until june yeah same here like it disrupts sure day for like an hour hour and a half and and like the the actually this this frustrates me about the way apple has has the mac is a it's a pure work machine i don't use it really for then work i use my phone for almost everything else like there's a certain number of things i need the mac to do and do them very very well and i don't know anything else and i wanted to perfectly into never disrupted anything like that it's all i want from the computer like i don't need any any bells and whistles anything along those lines all i want is it's those things and set up doing those things i don't want to mess with it now feel the same way and i don't know i will probably upgrade to catalina earlier than i did ten fourteen because i'm stupid but but there are some things in catalina that i really do want to us i do feel like there is one huge tent pole feature in ten fifteen catalina and that is what they're calling sidecar which is the ability to use your an ipad you either wirelessly or connected by USB cable as eh external display and then you could like drawn and stuff like that no i used to us is us duet i think still do it when when during the summer i usually back in back in the states most the summer and i will usually especially during earning season when i'm looking at achieved and stuff like that i will set up a thirteen inch ipad and i will use it just as the screener duet doesn't do the whole thing it's just a just a second or display there's a kernel extension i think well now sort of so luma display is it very intriguing product and if those i i would still encourage people to look at it and consider it there's a very strong chance that they've that sidecar thing and catalina is gonna sherlock them matter business or at least put that product out of business but the idea with luma it was a it was a kickstarter and have a wasn't kickstarter it was you know indie gogo one of those similar things but they raised money it was a hardware and software product so there's two things that could go wrong and they completely pulled it off i believe they were on time and it works exactly as advertised so it's like oh yeah they're totally wireless duet required a court and do fill the screen properly whereas at the the website of the display equally looks like a much more a much much better privately what is so it's super clever so the the hardware art dog goal and you have to buy the one for your machine so they have a display port one or whatever it's called for like an older macbook pro mine and a USB see one for the newer runs with thunderbolt and how you can plug an actual external display into those ports well it's just this is just a little dongola like what used to come with like a like a mouse you'd plug into your USB or like a clicker for presentation and you'd put a little wireless thing into your USB port and then only sticks out a little tiny a bit but it goes into display port the by which i mean lower case d. lower case b display port the port on your computer that thinks it's for displays so as soon as it goes in your mac things a display has been plugged in and says okay now you have an external display but it's just a little wireless tangle that communicates to their app on your ipad and all of a sudden boom your ipad is an external display for your mac the kernel extension art is without installing their kernel extension you don't get a red tires at all right now that's what it is okay so you way when you have a retina display showing non retina thing to me it looks worse than an actual non retina display right because if you have an actual non retina display like an older ipad pre retina the pixels are fuzzy so the fact that you know it doesn't to show one pixel the pixel lead is super sharp it is very pixellated yup so and just didn't i bought it to support them i know that i am gosh sure i'll spend two hundred bucks or whatever it was to see if this works and then i saw that it worked it's not that i don't trust them i believe that team is like former apple engineers so there and i know people who have who use this product and have the kernel extension in displayed and i've never once heard of anybody saying y'all yet crashed my machine or anything no problems at all so i i'm not even badmouthing it i just didn't feel like installing it outside seventy dollars for the record there you go seventy bucks so if you're you know some two people to look at but anyway might be might be put out of business unfortunately because i will be first in mind to get them like the i mean the problem for me is you know i committed to a certain deadline so i have four days a week and so two like to travel with the constant fear that my computer is going to stop working it just drives me up the wall like the i like the this kerlin computer i have is just like a constant low glow grade worry i have the macro escape so the the one with only two ports and non touch bar is it the new one like the one that was updated bill no it's not it's it's whenever i twenty seven maybe something like that so yeah so so it has the old the i think it's the second generation to me so i'm rocking it until apple comes out with a mac book pro that i feel is peeling hopefully soon so maybe this beloved computer will be retired no no but anyway i kick the court out and every time that happens i think i wonder what the hell do and that's USB thing going to like in a yank my whole i got i haven't heard a lot of stories from people like like it when when apple i went US only for power and everything and got rid of mag safe with these there is lots of people saying wow that's a shame i loved mag safe seems like an odd feature to do away with but i haven't really heard stories from people the cable usb cables come out easily enough i don't know yeah i think they do come out easier i i've i found to be west as you thought as well and actually it's nice in some ways i again one one of my abuses airplanes and that's.

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Jony Ive leaving Apple after nearly 30 years to start new design firm

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02:47 min | 2 years ago

Jony Ive leaving Apple after nearly 30 years to start new design firm

"Of astutely pointing out that apple no previous to a past couple of years never really made their designers knowingly never put the names out of their designers a but in in the new yorker profile think ben thompson wrote a piece about how in the new yorker profile they sort of seating you know some of these names of designers and when they made the announcement that johnny i've is leaving they did say that you know huge place by the specific designers although reporting to eighty an awkward in person well i wish in person i guess i'm johnny i've had multiple roles they said in you and we haven't even discussed the role he had in the building in their new orders now is the last big product right apple was the spaceship and so when you have somebody operating in those like multiple roles there's no title for that person their nose doing all these different things so you're not gonna replace them with one person either and so it kind of makes sense that this replacement or you know somebody official title is probably gonna fit in a bunch of different spots i'm not certain sort of surprised by that organizationally they'd have no you know executive bp of design anymore right people reporter tim cook it all falls under the chief operate operating officer jeff williams but a they did say that fit harbor design an industrial design in human interface face design these other suffered stuff will be two different leads you're gonna have a evans hanky vp of industrial design an allen die will be the vice president of human interface design so at least you're gonna have separate people on on the that people can point to is being responsible for these things and i'm sure they've been heavily involved you know for a long time and i'm sure that even as joining live is leaving even if he was not have any more involvement in apple which is not gonna be the case because apple is the first big customer for his new design firm but they have products in the works that he's had a hand in we won't see for years right handed batter i i can't imagine that apple would let him go without him having some huge sign and put on whatever they are glasses for example like if you're talking about design being important thing for something a product that a category that has not been proven yet to be consumer friendly hr would be chief among them unique kind of need the confidence of a johnny design you know the the lack of a better phrase v a the reality distortion field that he brings to it as well

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