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"ben smith" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Dc had seen it except for the public. It was floating around think tanks. It was floating around the hill. It was floating around among reporters on that buzzfeed kind of made this dishes and to say you know it's not fair. Maybe isn't quite the right word. But it's it's not fair for everyone in the notes kind of have this as a the you know the world's biggest open secret on the public not to see it and that has struck me over the last four years as a really interesting example of how we've seen under trump i think News organizations become a lot more transparent about the reporting. You know you'll start to see. I'm even legacy papers start reporting. Not only about you know. When when their stories not only about the information they got but how they got you know how many interviews they conducted here are the primary source documents. And that obviously has some downsides you have to show your hand a little more in the case of the dossier or maybe putting information out there. That isn't one hundred percent. Vetted how do you think about that. Is that a accurate description of sort of the the trend in the press over the last four years. And how do you see the dossier in relation to that. Yeah i think. I think about that a lot and i definitely it's useful. Think about different meteorologists playing different roles. If i'm running you know a print. Publication aimed at the elderly. Like i might not say. Hey you probably haven't heard this crazy rumor but here it is and by the way it's false but if i am writing for young people who were on the internet. I think it's totally appropriate for me to say you know you're swimming in these very polluted waters. You've seen this weird stuff floating around. Here's what we know. Here's what we don't. We're not gonna pretend it doesn't exist and leave you on your wall over the course of six months while we figure it out that sort of as a general rule the dossier is a bit different. That's kind of a cousin. And i think in general if you're writing for an audience who are living on the internet living in social media which was very very true buzzfeed to varying degrees to have everybody else to. I think it's serious appropriate. It's a good service in. It's your responsibility to help people navigate the actual information space. They live in. The dossier was a cousin of that decision. I mean it because it wasn't just as you describe in the in-inside secret everybody empower who were making decisions based on. Not just looking at it being interested. It had been briefed two to two presidents to barack obama to donald trump and cnn. Had reported that there you know had done this sort of gets lost in the telling of this story but cnn had gone up on air and said you know. I hold in my hand document with a list of communist at the state department. Like i haven't you know we have this document that says the president of the united states has been compromised at that point. You really got the show it to everybody. The idea that you're just waving around mysterious document with dark secrets about the president that to me is the least tenable version of this. So let's go back to the supposed constraint as you identified it of saying things that are true in reporting not everyone seems to feel it and one thing. I'm sort of generally obsessed with so often when we talk about influence of social media. We talk about it completely. Divorced from this still incredibly powerful role of old media when it comes to disinformation and to me ten thousand pound in the room here is fox news. You've been to a lot of reporting about this recently. And in particular about the defamation actions that have been brought by companies that would target the incessant campaign falsehoods on fox. That were aiming to de-legitimize the election results can you. Maybe just broadly walkout audience through your story them. I think i do think one of the things that donald trump always knew and that those of us who who kind of said a lot of time obsessing about new media kind of forgot is that television's really remains extremely extremely important in the new york times. The wall street journal have outsized roles to play to It's not a totally level playing field. Even if it is pretty chaotic there but Fox news and newsmax in an all of them relying on like the least reliable people on twitter and random anonymous people on fortune and read. It picked up this in the days after. The election is just totally. Totally bananas idea that in various versions of it a company called smart matic which was in this telling co founded by google shabas in venezuela head. Some kind of software system where they could switch votes to donald trump from donald trump to joe biden. That's what had happened and this obviously had no had no basis in reality at all. The co founders are in fact venezuelan the head in fact on some elections in venezuela in the early two thousands. But the reason it is. I think extremely strong defamation case nuvoletta lawyers listening. I'm sure who have wealth earned views on this. Is that this company. Smart matic didn't do any business in any of the relevant states. It had a modest contract in los angeles county and otherwise works around the world and not in the us and he hasn't really had any significant business in the us. Since like two thousand seven sold it to a subsidiary in two thousand seven and meanwhile depends for its business on people trusting them politicians around the world. Feeling like it's a safe political choice to give them contracts until you had both rudy giuliani sydney powell spouting all.
"ben smith" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Headed and why in his view was february. Twenty six twenty fifteen almost exactly six years ago the last good day on the internet. It's lover podcast. February eleventh ben smith on gatekeepers in the internet age. So ben you all the media columnist for the new york times but you seem to right. Not infrequently about social media. So let's start broad and we're not asking you to weigh in on the fraud and legally irrelevant question of whether these platforms or publishes. But when you write about them do you think of them as media companies or maybe a better way of putting it is how do you think about platforms as relating to yo beat so first of all on maybe i. Hopefully this is interesting enough listeners. But there's a special debate over whether platforms are publishers or media companies. I think it's just sort of a waste of time like they're obviously what they are. Not that complicated. They are neither television. Channels you know. Nor are they bulletin boards to getting stuck in kind of analogies to analog media is distracting. They're obviously very central. To the way information flows the way news works. Entertainment works in. You know twenty twenty one america and so i've kind of next them to my bit certain your role in editor in chief of buzzfeed as as he recently wrote. You obviously capitalized on the rise of the internet and you run a recent column. That and i'm quoting here. We are better than anyone in those days. At making things for social media mostly lists and quizzes and short videos so looking at our current information ecosystem where. I think a lot of people feel like that kind of attention. Grabbing stuff is sort of. What got us into this mess. Broadly construed. do you have any regrets. You know i. I mean yes. I also think it's complicated. I don't think that the line from forty-one dogs who are disappointed in you to the capital riotous is exactly linear and i also think that buzzfeed sort of internet media what caused the rise of social media. But i do think that we were very optimistic about it. Sort of didn't see it's dark side as clearly as we could have didn't see that you know the same sort of tactics in really mindset of of creating media for social that we were using for social media could just as easily be used by really a dark right wing populism and actually it's easier to do is interesting because one of the constraints on news on social media. Is that if it's if you have to keep it it's harder you can't just go for the most viral option 'cause you're constraint constraints constraint to have to say things that are true and if you're not bound by that you can be even better at social media and that was something we were very aware of buzzfeed you know that it was a choice to end with it. We were giving up some audience by insisting things were true. Was there a point at which you sort of realized that you might have been wrong in your optimism like is there an obvious inflection moment or is it just sort of a slowly dawning realization. Where you look back and look at yourself a couple of years ago and think. Oh my god. What was i thinking. Yeah i mean. I did it to i guess. The end of twenty fifteen gamer gate. I think was obviously. In retrospect in two thousand fourteen. This hard. To explain incident. That i think prefigured a lot of what happened now. In terms of of the kind of internet serving as a place that reactionary forces could organize and spread basically false messages. And i think you know we pay a lot of attention. I think we were going too early to take a lot of this stuff fairly seriously. I think of the the last kind of good day on the internet as breastfeed published On things early twenty fifteen maybe february. Two thousand fifteen. There was this day. When in the morning some lamas got loosen arizona. In the entire nation. The entire internet were just fixated watching these like hapless local sheriff llamas around in the llamas kept getting away. It was like a total delight and then that evening on editor of mine somebody on. Tumbler sent her message saying they couldn't figure out what the distress was. White and gold or black and blue and she put it on buzzfeed and it became his utterly amazing totally harmless and fund viral sensation. And looking back. I think of that as kind of last good day on the internet if it was like february twenty six th two thousand fifteen i gotta say i was not expecting you to be quite so specific in your turning point but that's incredible useful quinton. I often talk about how explanatory theory of everything is everything is game gate in one sense or another. It's just this recurring theme over the past few years so one of the themes of your work at particular times. Is this obsession with gatekeepers. Who gets to decide what's within the bounds of discourse and who directs our attention and oviously buzzfeed. You are in a sense trying to compete with the old capers. And now you're one of them and the new york times at sophie's is struggling to maintain its iron grip on agenda setting as the internet constantly allows people to. I don't know how you'd put up at like climb the fences and work around the gatekeepers and i think it's fair to say that the last few years in particular we've seen this turn as you're sort of saying that it's it's great to take down the old gatekeepers to. Oh no we didn't gatekeepers. So how do you think about the role of gatekeepers. Now you know. I'm more of a reporter than kind of theorist sp i mean i. I don't think there's like a simple answer to the question of our gatekeepers. Good i mean. I think that the pendulum swung away from the sort of broadcast and print companies. That had released decided what was accessible to prenton head to sumter in various ways through the years discredited themselves or you know or at least raised questions about their own credibility mini iraq war. Being the sort of obvious obvious instance of but also you know represented this pretty exclusionary an exclusive point of view on the world. Both in terms of being very american and which slice of america got to control it. And so i mean i definitely welcomed the sort of collapse of that but it but i think there will probably to. Some degree always be voices that at least as steer attention. I think the question of who who who who does that enhance his per diem is pretty important and obviously now. It's becoming kind of an interaction between a more complex set of of actors including social media companies. For sure get you explain a little bit more. About how you see the distinction between reporting and theorist and i guess what you see as the role of your column like if if you don't have a grand theory of like what. The meteoroid gatekeepers should be doing a use case agent. Or what are you trying to achieve with your work. Oh god yeah. I think i honestly it's sort of a personality flaw but i'm probably a cabbage and i am. I think reporting. I guess i really believe in reporting and i think my sort of value system has to do with. It's good that people know what's happening in that. You can't worry too much about the consequences of of people knowing information because use that leads you to start lying like the sort of logical next step once you get concerned about people knowing truth things to light of them and so i tend to kinda stop there in my own work. I guess the other thing. I would say though because obviously buzzfeed. I was at the time i get to just be a kid cassidy at buzzfeed is being decisions about coverage a lot and i do think one thing that people don't think about but that is just obviously truth that different media organizations new platforms fill different roles and ought to be making different decisions. Like i thought it was appropriate for us to publish the dossier. I thought it was the right call. And don't think it would've been a recall for the new york times. And i think that sometimes there's this attempt to sort of seek an iron law for everyone in every situation when when that's not really appropriate different media. Players have enactors have always filled different roles. I'd love to ask you more about the this dossier just because i feel like i've spent at this point. Four years living through the fallout of the day. You know every time you read about. Russia someone pops up and we'll say but what about and one of the things that has always struck me as interesting about your decision to publish and this goes back to the point. Evelyn's making about gatekeepers. Is that and you said this. At the time it felt like when buzzfeed published the dossier that everyone on at least in washington..
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"A guy open up. Like that. And i was like. Oh my gosh more of this please. Because i think women are starting to open up and be so vulnerable and talk about their depression and anxiety and pressures of being a woman in body image issues like women are starting to be very open about that and i think that like kind of has put a bit of like a shadow on men who might go through that which is just as important what i mean so i know it. I was reading through twitter for you. Because i was reading. People people's comments when you talk about your things that you've been through in your life and so many men came out in like i've actually never addressed this and not just made me feel more comfortable in doing that and i thought it was so important i think he truly set an example for for a lot of people out there but especially men and and i just love. How open are going therapy. I think everybody in the world should go. I'm very big on mental health on this podcast in life in general and i wanted to know because on my when i was in the show you know i was very cautious on who i was speaking to about what they had a therapist available on the show. But i was like. Are you working with them. Or what's going on. Did they have somebody you could talk to. That wasn't a producer on you needed to. That's that and there's even been like a post show care plan where i speak with not only my therapist that a therapist that's provided by the network for is we've spoken every week since Leaving we came to. So it's been been really nice. And i i feel You know i'm sure. Production gets like a bad rap. Or like there's like this. You can't trust anybody type of thing. You kind of alluded to it before. But i felt nothing but supported from the entire team. I felt nothing but care and love from all of them. And it's been it's it's made this experience so much better for me which is cool. 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I think they've learned over the years of how this could be mentally challenging and and mentally demanding on people's mental health and i think they've really started to take action the same way they have started to take action with diversity and they're starting to really do the things that are necessary so i'm really glad to hear that because i think i do think a lot of them care and although they have this job to do they're people too and i used to always look at them in the is me like how do you sleep at night. You've seen monsters and they'd be like you've no idea like it's hard for them. It is like we sleep really poorly we sleep. Were you like able. Because they're just like so tired that it is it's interesting and i like i love your when people have a positive outlook on it coming off of the show because there are ways to go down this like nasty spiral of the cycle of of you know i mean pity parties so I appreciate how open you are and that perspective on it. I think it's great again. Here comes a very basic enjoy. But what's your dating life. Look like now are you looking what are you doing. Are you thinking about paradise if it happens. Would you be open to like that. Kind of world moving forward currently. I'm just trying to keep breathing down. You know i've Dating is a weird thing for me. Yeah i Very rarely have i been like the pursuer unlike gone after a girl that i've been interested in Right now i'm kind. I'm just like taking it. Slow trying to all this like new attention which is very scary like like a baby deer. It's it's like a lot of attention. And like i'm just trying to figure out where my energy needs about spent. I'm not opposed to anything at all. But i don't know i really don't know i mean that's you don't have to know that's the beauty. You know what i mean. Decide to decide today. Yeah that wasn't like a question like who are you dating game there. M what's just yeah. I don't know i just i'm open. I've got this like new with the new year. It's kind of like a nice reset but my intention for next year is to become more connected with myself more and more about myself. And then i. I say this a lot in my daily life. Like whatever's meant for you for you and whatever's meant for me. I'm ready saw if a thing stumbles into my life. That's perfect. i'm ready for it. I should know this but how old are you. I'm thirty years old. L. let's perfect. Aw thirty twenty nine is the perfect age for men to really start act like i'm some like you do instagram captions. By day and that night you tell twenty nine year old other ready to step into their manhood. Really are though. It's like a fat like that. I just started getting facial hair. I'm ready.
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
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This is part two of my podcast with ben. Do you knows own or rent your own home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's renter's insurance along with your auto policy which is a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com now back to off the vine with kaitlyn bristowe. I honestly this is how bitter. I was when i came off the show i was like i never want to see. Bean rose as long. As i live like i was so angry. And now i have attached to have arose now and i'm like it was pivotal time of my life. I'm gonna cover my whole body in rosebud tattoos and to tell had to tell you got gotta embrace. But that's the thing is it was. I felt that from from my end. I really did. I felt it was genuine when you came back. Appreciate that i really do. And it's funny to this jason. My boyfriend was on becca kufra season and he came back he was one she broke up with him and he came back and he made her this whole scrapbook and i was like what advice scrapbook i just kidding but like i said for whether you break up with him and he comes back to you. I'll just take a break up because on the scrapbook. That's good but it's it is it's so real especially at that point in the quote unquote journey of abuse that far into it it really just everything else. Fades away in its. You're in that moment in. it's true motion. i hate when people are like isn't scripted. Unlike now only god all the way. I described it to to people that have asked is like imagine a relationship that you're in in real life like it's a little bit more gradual but there's intensity there in those feelings that you have are like strong or maybe they're not. I hope for the purpose of this. They're strong right so their feelings are strong. Now this multiply that by like five million right and put a bunch of tv cameras on you. Then see what happens. And i saved in. This was a really big insecurity of mind being the bachelorette was put on a pedestal. Right like you are made for for all of these men or women to think that you are god's gift to this pun at you are the most eligible bachelor batch at like. They are really put their put in the most perfect gallons hair makeup. You want to spend time with them. You've got to talk to them. They're like these untouchable creatures in. It's like it makes you fall in love so much faster and sometimes you just have to be removed from the situation to have a little bit more clarity when you were removed and i know you can see it now because can her happy but when you were removed and you actually were sent home and you had some time to process and maybe even watching back the show some closure from watching other relationships. Did it. Help you heal. That wasn't my person completely. Yes i like how to plan for when i came home. I like had an. I keep mentioning therapy. It's like the most important thing that i've said the bachelor on speed dial therapy Similar to the bachelorette was has been so integral in my life. So i had like a plan pre show with my therapist. I came home. I i did a thing that i naturally do ride just like dove back into work and i like didn't address it for several weeks. I was going to therapy. We were talking about other things Then there came this point like right before the show aired rows like fuck. I need to like a really like sit down and work through some of the things that i'm feeling And then throughout the entire airing of the season I was like trying to do this. Blinders on thing and like go to be with my therapist like surround myself with people that made me feel super comfortable and safe and secure And then i think it's to your point watching her relationships with other men Not that it was like triggering to me or like watching. Her mega with ivan is like a weird thing. It wasn't weird for me But what it did for me was let me see that. Like her connection with those other guys was equal if not greater And like you know you know it but like as a contestant. I only know that relationship that i have with her and so like my whole. Thank my refrain the entire time. I don't get what you're doing is like no. I don't wanna talk to you about what you did on your date. No i don't wanna talk to you about any of this. I don't have enough emotional energy to worry about anything but what's happening between tation. I and you know. I had an incredible experience with her. She showed me that. There are people who are willing to sit with you and listen and like hold space. I use this phrase on knicks. Podcast like seventy nine times but she held space for me in a way that a romantic partner hasn't yet and so i'm so hopeful that like in the future whenever that happens that i you know the right girl that she's able to do the same thing. It's probably set the bar pretty high for now what you look for in a relationship. What you know your negotiable non-negotiables are what you know. What's important to you and i love how open you have been on that show. I think it was the first time i've ever watched.
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
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"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"I don't know if this was just tv. Or i really saw this. But you had this like click where something shifted in your brain where you literally in that moment realize like oh shit is this. Because i didn't tell her. I loved her. Like you're like senator member aware of that. Like something shifted. Where you you in that moment realized. Is that why i'm sitting here right now. The what what was that for you that you didn't say it. We're just waiting for the perfect time. Yes so my biggest flaw is that i will wait or i'll hesitate on thing because i wanna make it perfect like oh of course i'm going to get a rosenthal go to next week and i'll have this opportunity to do this grand gesture and i'll make it perfect and it's funny that like my platonic relationship semi familiar. Friendly relationships are so much different than a romantic relationship. And i think it's like an abandonment saying or like. I'm afraid of like maybe caring for somebody in a way that i don't care for other people in them not reciprocating even scarier. I'm afraid that they'll reciprocate. Because the only thing worse than being hurt by somebody is hurting somebody and so going through my head. You know the end of the hometown. Date like i could have said it then but i was like you know what this is weird like. It's at the end of the day. It's rush like she's about to leave. I'd rather like do it where we have more time to like. Sit in the fact that we may actually be mobile each other. And and i'm not trying to get. Hey i'll see you later. And also i love you but then after she dumps me like if you knew me for more than five seconds you would know that i would never in a million years a thing where i'm like wait. Don't dump me. I love you right like she made her decision. And i said that. In the moment i was like look like i wish it were different. I said something along the lines of like. I'll be alright or i'm like i'm always all right which i am and i'll be fine like that was me shutting down but like there's no amount of money to get me to do a pity right like no. Don't let me don't make me go like that's insane. Yeah you're desperate to get like to quit. Oh we get fired absolutely not. Yeah yeah and so. I i like a bunch of interviews following. I kept using the phrase. Like i ate. It just ate my feelings. I like just sat in that experience and then getting in the limo. I was like holy shit. All i had to do is tell her. But even then i was like you know i in the moment for me in limos like. I made the right decision. That's how it should have been. She obviously didn't want me here. And then going back into my room during the quarantine. I gotta talk to somebody and like i didn't even expect so full disclosure. I didn't even expect to speak with asia. Chris opportunity you know. I reached out to chris harrison because nobody knows it because i i kept. I kept seeing like. I would be in the gym with. Chris and like i would see chris. Everyone was like oh. Can we like chat. I like me being a naive non. tv person. i was like no. We don't need to film this like this. I just to talk to you. And and so i go talk to chris. And he's like yeah. We can make this happen..
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"Race therapy. I always thought. I would start a business that i would come up with people's instagram captions. Because i think i'm so witty. I think i'm funny and i'm like. Hey you guys want good baiocco instagram. Caption like come to me. I'll generate one for you. I always thought that'd be my business idea but speaking of bios do you get asked this all the time why the i is in the bio another tip off brazil. I've never i've never. I've never answered this publicly. Because i didn't think i needed to so a lot of people think that it's because i didn't say it to take you on the show. Yeah it's not not why everyone thinks that it's not one never it was never it was never that so I went through a really rough period in my life We don't need to talk specifically about it. We can But like leaving. The army was leaving was incredibly challenging for me while i was in uniform. I never thought that i would like have challenging time. It was like no. I'm like the baddest dude around right. Transitioning to civilian life will be like the most incredible thing. I'm going to like this high paying job image. Be like doing all the things that i saw people. That were ahead of me doing I left the army and had like the complete opposite experience. I left her relationship. I moved across the country. I took a job that i knew. I probably shouldn't be in. I didn't do well in that job because they didn't find any meeting. This is what. I was going to tell you about nick. L. a thing that. I missed the thing that i missed most about being in the army was my soldiers. I didn't give shit about the uniform or the awards or the fighting or any of that. I loved developing younger people And in that experience. I met a lot of young people who you could just tell our frown exp- from backgrounds or experiences. That like maybe didn't have a lot of love and so As an army officer leader..
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"Off the vine grape therapies. It's funny because i was like before i went on the show i was working at restaurants. I was helping open restaurants teaching in. I was kinda just like trying to find my way in the world. And i genuinely went on that show to build something or find an opportunity or do something greater in life c. l. Because i can't fault people who go on the show and i always like be there for the instagram followers. Like damn right. They are brand like it doesn't matter at anyone who goes on. That show would not think i don't want more instagram followers. Being like a business for myself like who cares if people are there for that and who cares if they happen to fall in love along the way. That's the beauty of that show. And i just i guess i'm maybe a little bit jaded because i my the guy who got engaged to from the show. He built a fitness brand after and it became his thing when which is great. And that's what i meant like ask that i'm not like so. Did you just do it because he went on. Tv i was wondering truly a passion of yours which at was the only thing that i do or the only thing that i should be doing I left the army and the thing that i was missing was the ability to impact people. I said this on nick. Lal's podcast the other day. And i told him don't We hate them. I'm getting. I don't know how you feel about him but he was really nice to me Do you know our history. I know a little bit about it. I know that yeah. We're totally friends and fine. And i like we do each other's podcasts. It's oh it's the when i started. I was like i hope. I don't ask all the questions. Nick dill your lesson. And if i do. I'm sorry no you can't it's okay But so he's actually been one of the people that's been So incredibly nice to me throughout the entire process like as a former contestant multiple times coming in second the whole thing. He's like out of all of the bachelor world. He's been so nice to me. And like i didn't expect any of that to be honest. I had no expectations in this entire process. Like i didn't think anyone would give a shit about anything that i did or said like i just. Yeah and it's but it's been really nice to have people either resonate with my story or like appreciate me for being me which has been really great But you're you're can't remember what you're saying. I was gonna say nick Nicosia question. I can't remember or building brand. Oh i can't remember doesn't matter. This is like story of every podcast..
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
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"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"Is that you. And it's wild. Because america only sees like one percent of who you are and i'm thankful that they saw like a pretty okay part i think but a- shobra this is probably okay girls or probably lining up at the gym to come work out like business. I'm assuming ads which is incredible. I get this question all the time. I'm still. It's not so businesses all right but like i'm a professional like i was a professional before this thing like like i can see through it. If you're like actually into training you just wanna talk to me which that's okay like you do your thing like shoot your shot but but also like come on. If you're not here for the real thing. You're not going to stick around and in the same way that i'm very intentional. With like the way. I approach the show i like. I've tried my hardest to stay grounded. Like i said this before on a couple of tests recently that like i don't read the dmz. I try not to read the comments. Like i've had a lot of really great people in my life. Who are much older than me. I i have a friend group. That is i'm thirty. Most of my friends are thirty. Five forty even older. It's like a very this group of people that i've fallen into here in venice and i'm just very lucky that they've like me grounded and they'll call me on my bullshit like i'm like doing thing that i should be doing like old. Did you see somebody said this thing. About how like. I'm a sociopath. And they're like dude. You're not a sociopathic. Please don't please don't read that because it's like ruining your day and so i tried really hard and its. That's huge. They'll because that's that's the difference between gosh. I mean. I can't even say that for myself when i came off the show i thought i was. You know thick skin could handle any back..
"ben smith" Discussed on Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe
"To meet you nice to meet you too. I'm like this is just the twenty twenty way. You know what. I mean weekdays. We gone weird reality shows when we meet online. And all the weird stuff. I'm surprised your new trophies. Not in the background. Because you know it's so funny is it was and i was interviewing. This is nice and canadian. I am okay girl. Jeannie mai who is also on dancing with the stars and it was her birthday and i was like. I'm to move the trophy at. Don't rummage her face. You know habits Finding behind me. And i was like i that just shows my heart and my does right. I weren't so much about you in just that now so i think i know everything i need to know. It's so funny. 'cause i like all my friends used to call me an undercover softy. Try and be hard night. Applic- all tough but undercover on like a big softy. I feel like you're the same way. I could see that about you anyways so you are currently where venice beach right now. Live in venice. How long have you lived there about two years. I was in santa monica for a year before. And then i've been here in venice about a year okay so it california's obviously a bit of a hot spot right now with kovachev. You've just been laying the f. low or do you still have like gin gin run like how's that going. Yes our gym here in. Venice is outdoor so We follow like the strictest covid protocols of all time. When i'm coaching i wear masks the whole thing We've had zero kovic transmissions from the gym. So it's like we're doing something right but we have to other locations The business. I actually own at a gym in west. Hollywood and i completely shut down. Because they're indoor but it's a pain in the ass are there like is that a thing in venice is outdoor jen's or is there only one muscle beach used to be it's right on on the boardwalk east to be an outdoor thing. It's kind of like last time. I was over there. The equipment was out anymore. So i don't know if that's a covid related thing. They started to shut it down but were the only spot That's actually deuce jim. But it's the only spot that's like specifically outdoor was already outdoor before covid just kind of cool lucked into that. When did you launch this gym. This one's been here since two thousand and.
"ben smith" Discussed on The Viall Files
"Are you ready when read it. I got all stack here. So i'm just kind of randomly selected wash number what we're starting out of the gates. Hotbed is ben in the mile high club. And if you're not sure what we're talking about ben. Have you ever sign an airplane. Mile off will allow If if you've landed on any of the bases while in the air we will take that as a yes. So i'm like kissing come on not kissing kissing second second third or home you had to be touching some privates a little bit over the covers right. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say he hasn't military guy rule followed by the way ben. I just wanna say west point. That's a that's a. That's a flax. i don't do we didn't we. Didn't shed Enough but it's not easy to get into west point. That's like an old school. The only reason i came up is patients. Sister went to navy. So i was like doing the whole thing where i was like. Yeah you went to the inferior service academy. I spent two nights at west point camping. They sent us on this thing to like when we were younger. You had to like go there and spend two nights a weekend away. Those not killed bathrooms alone where we're not. I took a shower from a bag in a tree. So i don't know what it was like regular basis by khuda. We made it through. So we're all right. I'm going to say no chrissy thing no to probably like two respectful for that also no judgment not like me to answer yes please. Yeah yeah on a plan for you. What is the. What is the craziest place. You've had sex I don't intellect public sex but like on the beach is like a weird like a private beach. Okay that's like that's like a weird. Yeah but like you gotta be careful. There's a lot there's a lot of and attention has gone out tilly fi. You're not into having people watch. You have sex great. No question number two has been flaws in the last twenty. Four hours she His dad's a dentist. Teas my my brother dent. He's like sometimes they flaws. Yeah i've lost twice in the last twenty four hour a has been hooked up with someone older then forty paul. Even thirty years old it has been hooked up with someone over than forty and by hooked up. I'm going to say a hot sexy make out He's a trainer. He meets other. Maybe only i wanna say yes. I'm gonna stick with. Yes but i'm not sold dirty dancing teaching the dancers like with the money and say i'm gonna say no but i would love that journey for you. You get ready yet no. I don't think i've ever hooked up with an older woman ever ever let older than you. Now well maybe. Maybe like i didn't know she was a year older than me late type thing but given show it's an experience. We're learning so much about me right now. I didn't even realize that until right now. I don't think i've ever been norman. Women the ems are us latin. Does ben prefer almond milk over regular milk. What is ben's favorite kind of milk I'm a i'm a traditionalist. I know it's not the healthiest. I'm going to drink milk. I'm just gonna fuck miss concert. The uproar you said anything. I try not to drink a lotta dairy but like fuck it like And thankfully i am not lactose intolerant but I don't think ben. I i think you drink anything but regular milk. I would agree. He looks like an oatmeal guy. Yeah he's got like oatmeal written all over him. I don't have that the worst thing. That a so. I prefer animal milk. I prefer account. No i have a lactose intolerant carrying that makes me sick. So i drink almond milk. I don't like did you make. Yeah but like it's. It's a diet milk. I don't know it just tastes just a little bit off. Not intra okay. We got a couple Couple like are you smarter than a fifth grader. Questions coming up. Here this Ken ben name all the oceans say seven seven of them or living. Well that's more than i knew so i'm gonna go with yet another seven continents i know if they're seven oceans now. I'm questioning myself. All right. i'm gonna say yes. We'll figure it out together. But i mean i say yes to go ahead ben. List them out at atlantic pacific indian. I think there's only four. Is there for the seven one. There's something that there's at least one more that. I can't remember and get an art antarctica and the arctic ocean pacific pacific indian atlantic atlanta in charge. There's a lot of sees. But i don't think i think those are the only oceans. Yeah so yes. The answer is now. I can't do it okay. Well you weren't in the navy. So i wasn't the list on google. It's very extensive weight of oceans. Or yes there's also southern ocean. What's the southern ocean. no. I didn't learn that in school. This indian atlantic part is that it didn't tell you what the oceans are. Now well has been ever boughten pregnancy test for girlfriend because you guys were scurred. Yes no no. Unless they. Now and again i mean for me like i've done a bunch of times and usually it's for like the like we'd have no reason to be scared. We were just scared. We're supposed to get my period in a week. We should get a pregnancy test. Like i'm gonna say yes. I feel like every guy's been neurotic enough to like be like that's just get it out of the way i've purchased several does bend. Now the per angering theorem I'm gonna say by the look on your face. No yeah i agree. Squared plus beasts word. People sees shut up front door out. You know they do. You know the quadraphonic equation one aheads auto one. I'm an english guy. That's defy yariel about one out of my the fact that i pulled out of my ounces pretty impressive i'm pretty cropland spend that was in france in the sun's rising right in my also. Yeah and final question has banned slapped naked in the past week. Well yes yeah. I mean windows. Ben not sleeping naked. Ben should be sleeping naked. If if he hasn't after watching that art episode. I dunno. I think ben. Where's drawers. I'm gonna say no but he has. I have slept naked in the last week. I did work clothes last night though not feeling like so. This is weird. Like cody liked. Were ahead you're next week. Where the over my head sometimes. Short shirt pocket Debts move per weird. I i also to be there. Nothing shows the differences between a man and a women. Then how good a woman looks with. Just a t shirt on or a hoodie. Nothing else versus how bad a man looks. You've never seen me in just seizure. A i accept the possibility you can turn me ben but you said it was moving in that patia. Maybe move them. Just a hot hot and you know i can't. I can't either hotness of that ben. i can't thank you enough. I really appreciate it. Thanks for being. Us and volleyball on the show and having this conversation with us. We're so happy that you feel overall really positive about your experience Thank you and as a Member of the runner-up club. I just wanna say welcome and and if an i'm serious. I really love for you to give me. I'm looking for some workouts I do the same thing over. And over and i need to. I need to step up my game. I'm like i'm. I'm i've been plateauing on this like not out of shape but not really in shave body for the past six months and i could really.
"ben smith" Discussed on The Viall Files
"I a. l. for thirty percent. Yeah i'm glad you were able to to see a watch back but like you said you know you you. It sounds like you re about the right way. Really focused on your connection. Obviously as you as you watched the show back. A lot of guys. don't do that right and it's usually like the final. Two guys are final three or for indices. It was more like final four. I feel like you. Ivan brandon Zach and and Yourself really focused on teixeira and and and you get that with the final four. But i'm glad you were able to see zack's connection because like you said it really makes you go okay. Well that makes sense. And i'm not struggling with the wise and the house and things like that When when you came back and then she she pulled ivan zacks right and ed access like the whole time. You're just like you had that kind of glazed. Look like how. I came back. What's going on what's going on and you're thinking that's talking and it's like so yes. She could keep me she. Cannot i mean and i don't know i like ham sandwiches and like. Hey gino at the full moon out like actions like he's a nervous talker. I'm more like zack. In that regard but it was pretty funny that you could tell that you were just like what the fuck is going on. It was it was produced. Be like a support for him or you know. He was incredibly eager to find out what was happening next. I think there was like an assumption that he was going next to speak with her. And like maybe me. I don't know But yeah it's it's weird to walk back into that situation because like i have no that my intentions not to like kick out. It's like i'm trying to further my relationship with her and that's just like a function of how the thing goes. He's gotta do what you gotta do. How how many days Like how long were you thinking about. You got sent home. Obviously yeah corentin. You're still on the compound right. We all know this were. what were you dislike. I gotta tell teller. Obviously you you. You kind of assumed that why you got sent home and yet you're going to see you say i love her in the car. So what was the ultimate decision that made you say i wanna call back. And regardless of what she says or whether she receives it. I want to say i love you. Yeah as soon as i got back to my room or like away from the experiences like holy fuck. It should have said something. I don't have many regrets. I don't i don't do that often. I don't think we'll. I should have done differently. was like i need to talk to. I need to talk to somebody. And i reached out to chris harrison. Who can i talk to you. And he's like yeah. Guess that we could set that up. That'll be cool. And so i go and talk to him and i'm like if anybody can get me in front of asia or at least pass the message along attempts certainly daddy harrison. Yeah yeah and so. I have a conversation with cranston and i mean you see a majority of it in the show but have a conversation with chris. Unlike looki- isn't done for me yet I've been showing up for her entire time. Like ninety to show up for myself. Like i feel like i let things on the table and i'm not trying to come back because that's insane But i am trying to at least express myself in at least share with her. How i feel about her Just maybe for some closure for i mean any. Did you really have no hope that she would take you back or were you just like a realistic understanding that. There's a good chance she wouldn't yeah. I mean of course. I was hopeful But to like we've all gotten back with an ax and like this is an extreme situation. But like we've all gotten back with an ax and it's always weird. It's always different. It's never the same relationship. There's always some sort of resentment. There's always some sort of like thing that's unsaid an elephant in the room like all the time at least for my experience and so i was concerned that that would be the case you know. She says it when she let me go My relationship with zack has progressed farther. Because of the experience they had during the fantasy suites. And i totally understand that. So i was. I had reservations about that coming back in. But you better believe that i. I wanted at least the chance to express myself. And i wanted the chance to continue this journey. I want the chance to ultimately end up with her for the first time in my life. I've found a woman that i could see being the mother of my children. That's not a thing. I don't get to that place. I don't think about that thing Very often and she checked on my boxes which is unreal. But i'm i'm glad to hear all this Yeah and even the way you just talked about patia. Do to be able to say how you felt about her own. Those feelings and and like you said still sh- demonstrate a lot of happiness for her zach. It just makes me think that. Yeah you're in a really good place. And just i guess happy to hear that and i'm sure the people listening are too because it sounds all very honest and heartfelt and and and quite frankly a very healthy right you know just to kinda vary a healthy. You know big picture outlook on the experience. And that's that's really nice to to hear thank you. It hasn't always been that way. So it's it's a really cool thing for me to at least have this perspective And like you mentioned therapy. The very beginning but i i used this experience. I've dated in a long time. It's been over a year. Since i've been on a date hasn't been in a relationship in a long time Folks on myself on my career. And i have been in therapy for several years different different levels of intensity and i just never felt like i was able to apply those things in my actual life never felt like i got past this like weird threshold that i created in my head I'm ready to get back out there and date. I'm ready to like try this thing again. And so The bachelorette experience for me was an opportunity to be vulnerable. Be open in like try things that scare me to the point that i don't try them in my regular life. I could do it without external stressors. I could do it without any sort of competing demands. It's completely on myself on this woman. And that goes back to like the blinders thing and i like. Don't half ass anything at full asked this thing neither. I came in trying to meet a girl trying to learn about myself. And like maybe restored my faith in humanity and that like and i got all those things which is nuts to me if you would've told me this a year ago dude. You're going to go on this reality. Tv show and you're gonna like fall in love with a girl you're gonna come out of it the most complete person that you've ever been and then you're going to get to like help other people with sharing your story which i didn't even intend to share like do i. I'm so incredibly thankful for this experience for the example you set for you like reaching out to me throughout this whole thing for everybody in bachelor nation..
'The Bachelorette' star Tayshia Adams gets engaged on finale
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Is Bob Iger back as Disney CEO? He abruptly resigned from the helm in February
"I'm Kim Masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown. Joining me is Matt Felony and Matt. We've talked about Disney a lot lately because Disney is one of the most all companies are exposed to this this disaster from this pandemic and the apparent absence or inability of our leadership to the White House to figure out how to address it but Disney is as we've talked about hotels theme Parks Bob. Iger resigned abruptly. It seemed to many people including me as CEO staying on his executive chairman in February And you know this is just the strangest thing because there was just a an article that Ben Smith at the New York Times wrote in which he says that Bob Iger has now having said that he was handing the reins to Bob Capex the head of the theme parks making him. Ceo THAT BOB. Eiger has now basically resumed running Disney are. I don't know about you. I haven't seen any announcement of that or any kind of indication that there's been a change in leadership it seems important to me. It's a huge public company and a very difficult moment and and yet you know in the same column He. This author. Ben Smith says Bob Eiger has took his eye off the ball and was more worried about his legacy. But now he's back sort of like Hallelujah. I sort of feel like what really happened here because this narrative is making no sense to me and there's a lot of why whether Bob really planned that resignation as CEO and then came back. I'm there's nothing in this world that will make me believe that was planned. Yeah it's interesting because Disney clearly not clearly but some might say. Disney was responding to that article when they put out a release a few days. Later saying that Bob Shape back the other Bob Who was elevated to the CEO position in February is joining the board of directors? Which many had said was planned all along but I think the indication there was. You know the new Bob is actually in charge. It's not the old Bob. Even though the whole Bob seems to be you know giving his strong advice and being involved in these major decisions literally saying like I'm back he's like a signaling in an email or something to this journalist that he's back and I'm like what but go on. That's the question you do have someone who has decades of experience at the Walt Disney Company there in that executive chairman position and probably feels a little bit of remorse that he left this job right as the proverbial s hit the fan and a lot of people speculated. That either did know what was coming when he did that. You know at the time. He stepped down. The Shanghai Disney park had already closed due to the virus and many experts. Were saying. Listen this is a couple of weeks away from being a global pandemic. Even if the American government wasn't saying so at the time the experts were and had that information many thought that that timing was abrupt and out of nowhere and then all of a sudden were in the middle of the biggest threat to The Walt Disney Company. In perhaps ever so. I think there's probably a little bit of remorse going on there and I think there's probably a little bit of Bringing the guy with the expertise to actually manage this very very difficult time. How about giving some clarity at? I wonder if the board didn't say excuse me. What did you just do? And how is this Bob? Shaping supposed to run the theme parks because as far as I know still no successor named for that. I mean they're closed but that's not like that doesn't mean there's no duties associated with that you know how. How is this guy now running the whole whole company? I you know I'm old enough to remember. When Michael Eisner having had a very supine board for a very long time finally had gotten enough people upset that the board turned around and ultimately dismissed him. So it's not that the board cannot be awakened in in a situation like this. I just find this to be an incoherent narrative and I've never seen such credulous analysis. I guess people who who who in the observer the media world and had had mickey mouse sheets on their bed when they were growing up or something. Because I don't think any other company would be getting the benefit of the doubt that Disney has gotten. Yeah I guess we'll see as this pandemic causes more injury to the company. How big a role. Eiger will ultimately play. That's delanie former editorial director of the Hollywood reporter. He joins me this Monday at one. Thirty on the
"ben smith" Discussed on Byers Market
"The first time Ben Smith and I talked for this podcast. Corona virus was a distant reality somewhere. Far Far Away it hadn't interrupted our lives blown up the economy and all of us to stay home and so in that day in January ben and I sat rather close together in a small studio in Manhattan discussing. What was then the biggest story in media? Which was Ben Smith? The editor of buzzfeed news was stepping down to become the media columnist at the New York Times. When ben got that job there was a sense. Among New York media insiders. Things were about to get interesting Ben. A veteran of the New York City tabloids turned star. National Political Blogger turned face of the new digital media had a pension for ruffling some feathers within nation's political media establishment. A gossipy bunch. That was now looking forward to seeing who might delicately skewer in the pages of the New York Times. The Corona virus pandemic of changed all that the stakes are far higher. Now and Ben is shifting his focus bigger questions in a time of self-isolation and social distancing. How do we live life online? Who Do we trust? How will the pandemic change the economics of the industry? Needless to say there's a lot for us to catch up on so last week. I called Ben recently escaped Brooklyn for upstate. New York to talk about media reporting and the age of Corona virus. That conversation makes up roughly the first half of this episode of the podcast. The second half comes from our conversation in January where we touched on some of the more evergreen questions about the future of media. Here's that to conversation with Ben Smith so first of all. How are you doing the first time that we recorded? This podcast was in this great innocent time when you and I could sit together in the same you know very small studio and actually shake hands and talk to people in person are you. Are you housebound for the foreseeable future? Yeah I'm I'm I'm locked up in upstate. New York excellent feel very lucky to be up here looking at deer. When was the last time you were in the New York Times Office Early early last week and I. I WAS PRETTY PARANOID. Pretty early and biked in which was sort of which was strenuous. Because I didn't I was nervous about public transportation and refused to shake people's hands. Yeah So the original idea for getting back on the phone together was actually because the first time we talked you were the news that you were going to leave buzzfeed and become the media columnist at the New York Times. It's just broke and now you've written some columns and I wanNA talk to you about that but but the first question actually have in light of this new very crazy. Surreal world that we're living in is. Do you think given that you ran a newsroom. Do you sort of think about how you might have covered. You were still at the if if you're still the editor of buzzfeed news what would what would this sort of approach like? How would you assign your reporters given that? Many of them can't really go anywhere. And what would this sort of like? What would the what would the angle be in order to sort of distinguish the coverage? I mean I think we'd be doing all sorts of exactly what buzzfeed is doing my role as editor in moments like this was descend slacks. To my deputies. In the US senator into Tomiko breaking news chief and say hey how about we do this and to have them respond either. We already did that or at that. Stupid good value to the company editors do they distract people doing their jobs. The you know I think everyone is for every you know. Everyone's trying to serve their audience. Buzzfeed's audience is younger and more on the Internet. And I think we so I think if you look at what buzzfeed soon right now. That's speaking very directly to those folks and with often with humor including pretty dark humor these days and also of course. I think one of the things that we really did incredibly well in the story that there are certainly winning is the misinformation story. Just really staying on top of that in a responsible way. That doesn't amplify it right. There is this. I mean you have covered digital media and digital culture for longtime in buzzfeed specifically was like you guys very much had an have A finger on the pulse of Internet culture and digital culture. And what's so interesting about? This time I think is that we are all now because so many of us are self isolated herself Corentin. We are all sort of being forced to move online or at least interact with The digital world in a very different way than we used to and in in a strange way. I almost feel like you know when you and I talked to. You know we talked about this sort of glory days of Buzzfeed back when you know you I joined in two thousand twelve and everything but now it almost feels like there's this really great moment for Buzzfeed to sort of thrive as the home of you know a like digital culture coverage. Yeah I mean. It's obviously this incredible flowering of digital culture. Because there isn't any other culture happening right now. I mean the tick Tock has just never been better and is incredible for instance and zoom like every high. School kid is basically under house arrest making tectonics and it's just like unbelievable. I do I do sort of feel like the longer this goes on. We're going to come out of this and there's going to be this there will be whole new genres and sub genres of of video and group video. And things like that that we we probably can't even anticipate yet just because so many kids are going to be are going to have to get really creative in terms of trying to entertain themselves. Yeah I think teachers are in get really creative to. And there's so many great teachers out there who are who are Internet people and who are good at this stuff. And who are thinking really creatively. And I think because there wasn't the usual sort of like top down. School district mandate through a government contract with some inept contractor. Who bribed the superintendent to you? Know to give you some budget version of Youtube for some enormous price. You just have all these teachers like trying to figure it out and I think you'll probably you'll they'll sure there'll be disasters but I think they'll probably also be some really kind of amazing innovations in education right so that's a really great point and it's not inconceivable to me that the the sort of points system that exists online. Where if you do something. Great it catches on. They didn't have a teacher. For a classroom of say you know thirty kids in upstate? New York then finds themselves making videos for hundreds of kids or thousands of kids across the country. Because they're doing something right and then and in a weird way. These sort of small independent would be businesses. Can somehow flourish in this time. I'm not sure anybody administering to be making any money. But I do think there's just so much creativity across across media that's right Misinformation thing you actually you so you've written I think even for three or four columns since the New York Times in one of them was actually about feels like either zero or a thousand. The one of the recent ones was about your feelings that when it comes to fighting misinformation and actually doing things right that you actually feel like companies like facebook that have been through the ringer of public opinion or actually having a moment where they are doing some things right. Yeah I mean this is now a controversial opinion but I think facebook. Youtube are doing pretty good job. Companies LIKE SNAP. That have always been more on top of it. Not that there aren't stupid things being passed around but would I rather my mom was looking at facebook than Fox News like. Yeah right yeah right I mean and I think in general their show the all of their ambivalence about sort of war. Censorship and free speech has been wiped out in the face of a public health crisis or was initially. You know they're always there now. Emerging kind of close calls when public figures? Say you know unverified things or start. Speculating about cores. That are hard. But but I think I think unbalanced. They've been really focused on deleting misinformation and driving eyeballs to quality information and that. It's pretty powerful. Do you. And you spoke to mark Zuckerberg for that piece. Did you get the sense that he What was your sense of that conversation in terms of where he's at and his do you think he views this as a as a time for facebook to sort of you know flip narrative. Do you think he did. You get the sense that he feels very committed to this sort of fighting misinformation around corona virus. I don't know whether how they see it in. Pr Terms. I mean I do. I did I went in thinking you know. Are there lessons that you're learning here? That will apply to other situations and left. Thinking the answer is no that they. I mean there's something about you know they are always taking this sort of engineers mindset to the kind of ambiguous ironic complicated world of speech and content. And they're just always begging for clarity and there've been so many dumb research projects through the years trying to kind of classify what is news and what is in for misinformation in what is a good tweet. And what is the bad tweet in a way that I can spot it and has made some progress? But you know this is finally a place where they can say well the. Who An authority single authoritative source as definitive guidance. And we're just going to follow that and that is what they love. That's what engineers WanNa do when it comes to speech and they find it so frustrating to live in the in the world of Grey's that you and I have a nuance. Yeah say they're in when you say like that their immediate company. I mean really. I think what people are asking them to do is not to make calls on truth and falsity simple areas but to you know essential engage in what media companies hate to acknowledge but which is ultimately politics right. That's right they want they. And if you're if you're a programmer and engineer you don't need that's the last thing you want to engage in you don't WanNa be you want hard and fast rules of the road that gives you the parameters in which you can. I think the problem is that they. They imagine that there's some neutral ground and there's some apolitical neutral. Ground that is where they happen to be standing. But of course there isn't there's nothing neutral rate although decisions have consequences and it's and that's so that's just so hard for them to wrestle with you know don't drink. Bleach is really easy for them to wrestle with. That's right right. Which is you know actually thinking of Fox News. It's like an entirely different calculation which is oftentimes in Cable News. The sort of you know so Trish Reagan on Fox as you know her on Fox business or show is effectively. Gone Away in the wake of her saying that Krahn virus was part of like a a liberal impeachment effort. But part of the reason she goes away. It's almost like a ratings calculation. Which is like she might be dispensable. Whereas some of the more in from misinformation coming from primetime hosts they. They can't afford to get rid of those people that can't afford to get rid of say Sean Hannity and so I sort of wear. There's no indication that they want to. I mean the first time anybody ever heard of Trish Regan was when her show got cancelled. The overwhelming response was. Who is this? She has a show? Yes that's right. That's right but I feel like in terms of thinking about misinformation I.
"ben smith" Discussed on The Candid Frame
"Has Been and then right in the middle of it sits this kind of a anomaly of a place which is called Canary Wharf and Canary. Wharf is essentially the second financial district of London after the city of London. Itself which is sometimes called the square mile but Canary WHARF SO created from scratch. In a way back in the eighties on a big chunk of what was then pretty much. A derelict waste ground. Where the docks used to be by the tens and had to see how will that help of the world had fallen into disrepair survey created this place which essentially an office and shopping complex and it struck me as a as a really interesting metaphor for the store in the book? Really which is the sort of the discrepancy between the hats and the have nots in all in all modern cities. Really you have that stacy. I mean it was a kind of a furlough time. It was a title. I title in search of a project ready because I wanted. I had this idea of title of two cities. We should obviously a dickens novel but in terms of living in in in a big city one across these amazing dichotomies really and for me. I thought maybe I go to the poorest bar in London or go to the wealthiest bar in London are shoot in both and I will make a project which compares contrasts at some point. It became apparent to me that I didn't even need to do that. The that that same discrepancy could be found in the same Bara and that particular bar here in London happens to be to hamlet. So that's the project really. It's about exploring some of those things but it's also about just showing the cultural diversity of the place. It's a very kind of dynamic part of town as hugely different populations sort of forced together. There's a big Bangladeshi community. Is Old School company lenders? You know there's the the puck of of young hits the so there's a lot of stuff to to kind of explore but basically I'm still doing it and I was finding reasons to crass tonight continuing because yeah just there's lots of things. I'm like unsure about in terms of how to get it finished really am that's the that's the goal so. I think on a daily on. I'd like to have an exhibition somewhere in the bar. Which would would be the most obvious thing for me but ultimately of course there's also the possibility of getting a book might so yeah. I hope I'll next time I talk to you. Have something a little bit more kind of concrete to say about him. Actually coming to fruition since you enter US SOME PEOPLE IN PERSON. Heavy taken advantage of that and share the work with any of them got a have. I mean this is the fantastic thing about it. Is that phone? Hoffy is ago. I had a very small group of really good close photographer friends. Some of whom are exceptionally good at what they do. I'm fundamentally didn't really have much of a of a of a network of Pinot Pinot Now just a lot of people and Considered to be friends in many cases so have access to a huge number of differing opinions. The downside of that is that everyone's gone opinion as you know although a great deal of value can be derived from hearing them if you hear enough to many of them than alternately decade kind of is just becomes a Soda Cacophony Cacophony of of differing views. Really dominant. Sure. It necessarily gets you anywhere. It's good to have your own ideas. Oversleep ultimately in it has to be about what you decide but I have spent two number people. I also of things which I need to sort of make notes about collide but yeah. I've asked a number of people in a if I took the book dummy to a place. Cuccia hot springs Montana where a poku sponsor the chuckle book club. They run a failure of you now. This was exactly a year ago. I will be gone again next month. But they're I because I wanted to put myself very much in the same position as the people who were there to have their work reviewed. I decided that you know. Be Good as a kind of poke cost narrative to to get some some feedback on the book. Tomei so in a way it was a kind of win win because on the one hand I wanted to explore that as a way to get an idea of what it feels like to put yourself in that vulnerable position and half people essentially assess your work but the same time I got my go. Some interesting unuseful opinions from people who? I respect so yeah. That was the kind of plan there you know. I think for both of those reasons. It works out quite well but Whether actually remember what half those people said or whether I'll take you innovate Remains to be seen. Obviously when you have a project that you want it to be good if possible you know. That's that's really the bottom line. I mean you want it to be excellent if if possible but I'd settle for good. That's fine so not what's in. Hopefully I'll end up with something that I'm at least pleased enough with the I can say. Yeah that's that's good. I'll I'll start doing something else now but I look forward to seeing that because I'd like when I look at your your images on your on your website. I really like your. I really like the way you see things whether it's you know the stuff that you're doing with your son. Yeah really love how you how you frame things in US color so interesting the CR. Are you apply that to a particular a particular project because I think it's only through working on a singular project for short or long period of time that you really really get a sense of who they are as a photographer and as even as as as a person because if you're just in pursuit of the single damage all the time there's no really a good way to crystalizing voice so see that you're you're you're moving toward the end simply making the photograhers? Yeah and it's interesting. You say that because one of the observations that has been made about this project is that there's not enough of me in it in a way and that it feels like I'm a bit removed from it in a sense I'm somehow yet to objective and I find very interesting observation and I think There's probably quite a lot to be said about that so in a way. I think now I've got to sort of see what I've done. Have thing can figure out a way to add some images that have a bit more of me in if if you see I mean me on ninety nine myself quite quite what that means. I've kind of a Vegan. Yeah I completely get it considering the kind of mindset. We've always had about ourselves. It's no surprise that we're reluctant to put ourselves in our photographs. But it's the very thing that makes that creates that level of intimacy the personal projects that clip. I'm working on our our our our really more reflective of me my life history than anything else. I've done and the responsive to it in stronger than anything else I've done so I'm even with his third project. I'm just starting. That's probably the most personal thing I'll ever have done today but I think it's partly because I've gotten more comfortable in my own skin that I'm willing to go there. I think in I think anytime before. Let's say the last five or six years I would have always had that sort of distant objective point of view in all the work just because I didn't feel comfortable putting any any of myself in there but it's the very thing that I admire about some of the people whose work I do I love. Is that their willingness to be able to do that. It's not just about that. They're able to make amazing photographs but that they're able to leverage who they are as a person in their in their work which is not an easy thing to do not absolutely I'm so glad that you said that because I was Pondering about the question. I know there's going to be coming. You know we can. We can sort of get to women get to it but I was thinking about Tokyo to recommend and it would be so appropriate. Now having heard you say what you just said from. May to go with the person I was GONNA go with. Saw Won't spoil the surprise Continue now ended thrown bedtime anyway. Okay all right so so it's like a now. I'm allowed to have someone who's a long time so but the person that comes to mind when you when we talk about this stuff is and as Patriots and Who I spoke to for the cost quite recently and obviously been aware of his work for many years and I knew I liked it a lot but when I really started looking at it carefully in preparation for the chat with him I realized just how much it's the kind of photography that I love. Because it's really all about that stuff that you were talking about. You know he he puts himself into and it's really all about emotion and S- about is kind of impact the the I look forward and you know I wanNA pitch to me. Kreil make me laugh for of Inspire very kind of basic emotional response on a think. Tocqueville is subject to fashion. Like everything else isn't it and I think the seems to be in recent years a fashion for a much more kind of forensic slightly. Kind of disengaged dispassionate kind of approach for lots of people anyway and of course there's room for everything that's the beautiful thing about photography. It's such a broad church isn't it but the thing that really turns me on his is the opposite to that is stuff that just makes me feel emotionally very engaged you there and so Peterson for me. Always achieved that and it's all him really as he said you know this this. This idea of the pitches having this longing in the middle of this idea of longing either that of the photographer of the subject and you can see that in his in his eyes on NATO. So I'm going go with Anders. Thank you thank you for making time for me really enjoyed speaking with you again. So it was what absolute honor and Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah it's it's pretty incredible and thank you for what you've been doing all these years man because like aside Genuinely did have a really major influence on my decision to to do a small voice so you know maybe without the candy frenette Beano small voice. You know we've got a lot of listeners incumbent. I suspect we have. I think we do that. We will be yeah. Yeah absolutely thanks to Ben for joining US BY DOT. More about him and his podcast. By visiting Ben Smith Forum DOT COM. You're devoted listener. And subscribe to the show Brightest Review on whatever service. You listen to podcasts..
"ben smith" Discussed on The Candid Frame
"As I record this we are in the midst of global health crisis. It's touching all of our lives and though the event is giving rise to a lot of anxiety and fear it also serves to remind us. How connected and reliant. We are on each other though. I've never experienced anything like this in my lifetime. I think about other moments in my life that left me feeling sad fearful anxious and even angry during such times. I was tempted to allow those feelings to overwhelm me and convince me that there were more reasons to be fearful than to be hopeful this collective fear and anxiety that we're feeling of what the future may bring in the coming days weeks and months can and does bring up the worst in some people believe in only the worst of outcomes which helps them to justify their choices and their behavior. I choose to believe that like many difficult and challenging moments in Human History. We will move through and pass this. It may not be free of pain sorrow in grief but we can look for. Today's that will again be filled with love joy and compassion. But rather than wait for that day I wanna see today as an opportunity to be grateful for what I do have and to reach out to people I love and and concerned about to just check in and see that they're okay. It's important because when I'm feeling such fear and insecurity I need to be reminded that I'm not alone in these feelings and when I admit as much I can be helpful to someone else. I never need to be alone during such dark times. And neither should you. As you'll hear in this episode with Ben Smith who is the host and producer of small voice photography podcast. We share a lot in common beyond our love for Photography and podcasting. We have shared experiences. Fear self doubt and insecurity yet each of us in our own ways have found a way to create things that we are proud of and if become invaluable the thousands of people all over the world even though we may likely never know their names as imperfect and as flawed as I am. I can still be a force for good in someone else's life today and so can you so pick up the phone and reach out to someone you care about. Especially if you haven't talked to them in a while and let them know but despite it all you're thinking of them step away from the twitter feed facebook posts and twenty four Hour News Cycle. And just take time to say they'll appreciate it and most importantly it will serve as simple and powerful way to keep the light from being extinguished by the darkness. They care of yourselves. And take care of each other this body and acts and welcome back to the candid frame. How long are you doing this show now four.
"ben smith" Discussed on Little Atoms
"They see little atoms radio show about ideas and coacher with me. Nail Denny this this week Ben Smith on his debut novel Dog Ben Smith Lives in Coamo and is a lecturer in creative in writing at Plymouth University specializing in environmental literature and focusing particularly on oceans climate change and the anthrocene his first poetry pamphlet sky burials was published by Walpole press and his poetry and criticism have appeared in various journals and analogies and Togoland which we're going to be talking about. Today is his first novel Ben. Welcome to little atoms and me. I WANNA ask how you would describe. Dr Gallon the novel festival I normally describe it to people as a noble to wade guys on a wind farm in a Dystopia in future but my publisher and publicity got tried to say things like that just pretty much cover so yeah I mean I guess it's a noble of climate change change and a by the unforeseen and I've always been interested in in writing about that and researching dog land on the the area and read articles about how they were building wind farms in the middle of the north say and I thought this would make a wonderful setting for a also really that noble all comes the place in that kind of way so it's very much a play space novel as well so the dog land of your novel set slightly. The future is is one of what a world we have limited knowledge of which we'll talk about later on Batley environmentally damage well. The flooded flooded world and of course this area. Taga Banco Dockland is once it was historically was inundated waited with water throughout the novel you insert sections which has historical accounts of the dog land as it was a surprise. We'll talk about that first of all. Tell tell us about dog land. Yes well Dogo land. Sadako is the name given to the area of land that as you said once connected Britain and continental Europe and was flooded inundated the end of the last ice age foaming watts now the North Sea and the English Channel Hannele so it was he said a country will continent really that was probably actually center for mesylate culture in northern Europe take time and was flooded during what was really the last major climate change event and so for me as someone interested in climate change. This just just really spoke to me as an important place to be writing about it and yes as you said this. I've included these these short deep time sections running thrive rat noble and they don't connect up to the main narrative in a very obvious way although actually I did sort of use them for structuring the book which we can talk but later maybe yeah they'd be parallel that you powered happen in the in the Novo yea well interestingly I actually when I started the novel I had I had the setting and and I had these characters but I didn't really know what was going to happen and I actually used the various stages in sort of Mesolithic nick dog land as kind of jumping off points for bits of the narrative that I kind of wanted to get to so there was a bit of three quarters of the way through the flooding of Yoga land where Ed people would have become fishermen and they have been living on small islands traveling around like Bud so I knew that at that stage I wanted one of my characters to be act on a bugs and so that was actually went up to the story came from originally and then I kind of retrofitted it around the the the main plot and and things like that what so yeah it was it was quite integral. Actually to the actual writing the book and I and I was very glad that when I sent it to my agent and publisher they they liked the sections because they quite strange otherwise so tell us about your dog landon the setting the location of this novel the place where the action takes place well as I said before it's eight this boss wind farm set some time in the future and I mean they sort of came from from just research into what's going on in the North Sea now so I was interested in these these wind farms that are that are being built at the moment I mean in the know Seattle across the world and some of these wind farms absolutely huge five hundreds of square miles in area thousands of turbines dad's the size of small countries freeze really and I love the idea that particularly in the null sake a place like that is being built on top of what was once this kind of hunter the gatherer landscape in the Mesolithic console that for me just as a purely kind of psycho geographic moment I find really interesting getting and so I kind of felt about these these maybe at some point in the future we might get people living actual these wind farms and sleeping at an and work on these wind fauves on and if they did they would be the first human inhabitants dog land eight thousand is which for me was just really fascinated by that as a moment. Oh Papa possible moment in the future. Let's just expand on this future well. The little is worth saying that the novel is also. I I an exercise in limited locator. Unlimited cast says there's three main characters who we will talk about in the moment and indeed the situation is particularly the character known as the boy he has limited knowledge of your situation of what's actually happened happened but at the start of the day we NI- well we know that the boy and the old man are out working on the wind farm. We know that they denied that for a long time ago. Time is is quite hard to judge. The boy has a watch that he keeps checking and replacing the batteries. He's but it doesn't really work probably and all the other clocks that are in the rake where they live a sort of active sank and the computer doesn't really work so so we don't know how long they been out there but we know that they contracted to be out there on that contract with the company that they work for these they all have that for life really and we know that boy came on to the wind farm to take over his father's contract because his father dissipated reneged on his contract is the word the people say when they give him the boy his contract on the phone so so that's really all that we know the beginning on this company referred to as as the company in the book. Tell us about them well that I wanted to sort of idea of this sort of vast sprawling of some kind that that owned the energy production. Maybe owned Boston himself. The mainland perhaps as well as a suggestion gestion the maybe the boy was in was brought up in the company almost so the idea of of sort of a corporation may superseding the nation-states as as the main authority and again as you said sort of intentionally left this left is sort of vague as I think people people familiar with that with that as an idea I think and so I felt like I didn't really have have too much to say about that that I thought was necessarily interesting on new per se to do with the company so I kind of just just sat up and left it really and the the book has has a quote from Eh brilliant novelist in front of the Harrison describing the book is the road meets waiting for God. I've seen a few people refer to back in in describing in one of those ways as well as the limited characters in the character interaction. I mean we know why the boy Oy and the old man wind turbines because that's a repair them and they have this contract but we don't really know whether that's even worth doing yeah that was yes something that I was. I was really interested in exploring and yeah I was very pleased with less Howson said data by the book and and the other people in reviews had mentioned Beckett and things like that cause a basically yes me shamelessly ripping off back the putting it on a wind farm. I think and that's certainly what it what I was going for with. The book I actually love Becky is writing. I think this is a two people in the world as people that find Beck Harley depressing and there's people that find Beck really funny and I on decade funny and and very human actually I love yeah. I think a white tee pagoda an game. I I love the relationship between the characters in those and and so young so interested in writing this two hander kind of thing but trying to give it some. I'm trying to get a bit more of a narrative than that it does because I realized quite early on that I could just have two guys sitting out the windfarm and and talking to each other endlessly really how much I would have loved but central to the novel is this relationship between the boy and the old man they do have names spur device you use in the book too often not refer to them by name and I WanNa talk about why yeah that was partly to sort of emphasize the generational aspect of it because I the book sort of generations rarely and we'd hear it from generation to generation and that kind of thing but also really just what I felt. Maybe was element of realism that index if you are actually just I asked living and working only with one other person you probably wouldn't really use that name very much and so you would almost become ah the sort of nameless figures because you wouldn't use the other person's name in kind of way those thinking about jobs. I've had where you go groups of men to work together and often young people be called the boy and all the people behold the all matt so I was kind of referencing that sort of thing I think is well with that what you said the little about the boy already. Tell us something about the old man. What do we know of him. Well the old man is is quite a strange figure later and and really I mean if the boy is someone who wants to fix things and keep things going and get on with work. The the old man is is consistent procrastinator will always be looking for other things they can do other than getting on with that work and one of the things that he's particular entrusted interested in his trolling the seabed for artifacts from the dog land that was which is deep beneath the waves and saint fills his room with all kinds of fossils and things that have been trolled up from the seabed and I'm really in this. Was this came from research that I I was doing into the archaeologist working out in the sorts of things that they've found that and I really like the idea of well. If you were stuck out in a wind farm in the middle of the North Sea probably you you try to troll up some Steven Seagal. You could find so in that sense. The old man is someone who made me look more to the past whereas the boy maybe is more interested the president was going on and you mentioned the boys that on the contrary places father who has disappeared a paid and I wanNA talk to you about that because as the central to the plot of of the GonNa give too much away but there is a third character the pilots of supply ship. That's brings them their food fundamentally also sort of like antagonistic doc. Tell us something about him. Yeah I really enjoyed writing the pilot on because he's he's really just a get and I enjoyed writing him and yeah I mean it. I mean I think practically I needed to be some kind of contact with the mainland seven in a way he salaam device whereby it makes sense that they get food delivered and things like that but in a controlled way and is controlled by someone who as you said is antagonistic to them and so would want to be able to kind of put the squeeze on them when necessary he wants to trade with them or change the terms in which they trade but but also yes he's kind of central to the to the plot in he drops hints about the boy's father riquet stocks the potentially and and makes the boy we stop thinking about what might have happened to his father as dot dieting while the old man saddle or not said about a will happen to his father and as we mentioned full about the what we know don't know about in the main about what's going on shore. I wanted the knowledge that we get to sort of be filtered through the pilot so so I mean the pilot says you know things bad onshore..
Oil expert sees oil heading higher after a volatile week for crude
"On the energy front oil is headed it's longest run of weekly declines three years crude prices have been dragged down by. A slump in emerging markets rising supplies. I'm concerns over u. s. China trade Bob Lia Tino is with. Path trading partners we've got an increase in rigs all of the rigs, are, less productive than they've been. That still more, crude oil in the market seasonality usually turns right, around late August. To mid September we're starting that turn, a little early and. Then you've got refinery turnaround coming on and the. Restrictions, of pipeline from the shell regions, is going to. Cause a pile up of inventories so I'm definitely a bear short-term the crew rally is over US crude inventories expanded last week by the most this year while OPEC raise output in