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Thursday 21 February

Monocle 24: The Briefing

31:51 min | 2 years ago

Thursday 21 February

"You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the twenty first or February two thousand nineteen on monocle twenty four. Halo to welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio one here at Madari house in London. I am Marcus hip coming up the UK's governments could hold a vote on a revised bricks is deal as early as next week, but will lead to do anything to break the political impasse. Also heads Taiwan's leader confirms her intention to stand again for the presidency realize what it means full typeface relationship with Beijing. Plus Australia's former foreign minister, Julie Bishop is leaving politics. Monocle Ben Ryan and gives us his assessment of her remarkable career, and we'll be heading to seeing to uncover the fascinating history of one of the capital's CD's modernist Aikins all that right here on the briefing with me, Markus hippie. The UK's. John Silla Philip Hammond says that the UK's hosts of commerce could be given a vote on a revised bricks deal as early as an extra week, but will any vote pass through parliament's doctor Allen wage raise from the UK in a changing Europe, which is think tank that researches the relationship between the UK and the European Union. Welcome to the program Allen, how much do we know? Now, how likely is it that the British law makers good actually be given a vote on a revised Brexit deal next week. It's looking increasingly likely because the itchy foot trees, and may is the possibility of extending the Brexit process and extending the article fifty is becoming very real for her and heard basic calculation. She wants 'em piece to make is my deal or no deal at all. And if she if no deal is removed from from the table, then that's a big issue because she's bringing this vote forward to make sure that. This is a a binary choice for MP's is this strategy at play here. What's been going on this negotiations, then between London and Brussels home much? Brokerage has there been in recent days, there's been very little progress on the sort of substantial changes to the withdrawal agreement that her backbenches lawmakers on in intrigues, amaze owned party want to see a one and are trying to force. They're trying to force this change to the Northern Irish backstop arrangements tomatoes, no border on the island of Ireland. And there's no way that the European Union going to agree to that. So we've reached an impasse in terms of the negotiations. And what Theresa May is trying to do now is because of the take down the clock. Make sure that MP's are the options for MP's narrowed. So the so that they have to four three hundred and they have to deal. So how difference good averted deal be then the parliament would be voting next week? So there might be the codicil X, according to legal addendum to the to the withdrawal agreement. There's. Specifies the way in which this backstop arrangement could be got out over and where and when it will be used and why it will be used and this because the main worry for the sort of right wing of her of Theresa May's party is that the UK will be in this backstop arrangement as aligned with the European Union. Regulation sort of impropriety, and this is what this is an attempt to sort of Kyra fi that that's not what the European Union or the UK sort of really one ultimately nineteen and get some sort of political clarity on that is what they're after. Do you think that would be enough for the votes to pass through parliament? No at the moment. Not next week. I think that's probably still not enough. So we'd be talking maybe about a third attempt. So I think I think there's this attempt to push it forward to next week is something that would would probably end up saying that an extension of of the negotiation process, an an extension of the article fifty process because at the moment, there's just not the majority in the house of Commons for anything like this sort of deal that Theresa May would be. Opposing with this sort of political clarity without any sort of legal changes. So what do you think Theresa May is thinking at the moment issue in Detroit into run down the clock and try to offer the parliament these boy in her decision between her deal or no deal whatsoever. What she actually push this country across the cliff. I think people in Greece anything that maybe she she might do that because the alternative is for fundamental split in in her party kind of a chasm between her view of Brexit on the European research sort of right wing of her party. These are sort of headed by Jacob REEs. Morgan the Emmys these people with support or no deal, and if they leave her party than than the conservative party would be fundamentally until even terminally split suggest to make a a really big choice as sort of existential choice for the conservative party. And that's why we saw this week the the other side of the equation. These sort of pro remain pro referendum conservative MP's making. Some noise because this is a trust trying to pressure the government and try and change the the calculations for the government on Brexit of the moment. So Theresa May's putting pressure on parliament. But do think the pressure is being felt in Brussels to the extent that we could see some kind of concessions from there. I think that still looks pretty unlikely I think the the UK hoping for the twenty seven capitals to start making some noise about the potential effects of no deal the economic effects, particularly in Berlin. I think that's still looks pretty unlikely. I think on these basic issues of island the northern backstop and citizen's rights and the money that the UK owes these withdraw cheese, there's a unified position in the EU. And I think it would be nitty impossible ac- that sort of chains this backstop as not going to be reopened at any sort of meaningful. It meaningful way. So I think it's I think it's pretty unlikely because just the way the EU operates in the what it would happen. Due to to change. Its negotiating stance is just not listed not really gonna be possible before the end of March. Just for me. I would ask you to look into your crystal ball arm. It's the February the twenty first one month forward where we'll be. I think we'll probably have seen an extension to the process. So it will no longer have this cliff edge in March you'll probably be in something like June. I think Theresa May. Well have had to force that decision. We'll have to make that choice. And then there's going to be some serious issues within her conservative party and within her right wing. Whether she will then be forced to make a cross party offer is the is the next step. I think we then can be talking next month about a sort of softer version of Brexit being the only route for Brexit's take place. Doctor Allen wage. Thank you very much for joining us here in the briefing. It is twenty one seventeen sole twelve oh seven here in London and seven oh, seven AM in New York. CC best continue now with the latest business news. I'm joined by you and pause from Bloomberg is a major pools in northern China has reportedly banned cold impulse from Australia the suspicion here is this could be traits related lamarcus. Yet. The indefinite restrictions at the Chinese port of Dalian reportedly started this month and a part of an overall plan to cap imports into the region this year, this is according to a Reuters reports apparently China's foreign ministry won't say if it was specifically targeting Austrailia, they say they regularly inspect coal imports for environmental reasons. What's interesting is the chance of this could be a sign that Beijing is starting to flex its economic muscles a morning nations, not to buy its next generation of wireless technology. Now, your memory spoken about this on monitoring times. Before this is the simmering row over while way. The Chinese tech giant's its leader in five G technology for mobile phones, but a number of countries, Australia, one of them, the US another and several in Europe have banned the company from installing five G equipments on security concerns. China says those concerns are unreasonable, and they've warned of unspecified consequences if other countries follow suit in blocking while ways acquit -ment so instinct to see how this plays into that that discussion that in the poor only takes about two percents of Australia's coal exports. So in theory is quite a small bam, but it could Mark deterioration in the often troubled relationship between the two trading partners. Australia is the world's most China dependent developed economy. Of course, it has a very longstanding security relationship with the US. So interesting to watch developments on this you and let's next continue with. Warren Buffett's invest. He's got a nice problem. Yeah. I thought about you Marcus by often struggle with excess cash, and this is something that Warren Buffett's very much has to deal with he's sitting on the cash pile above of more than one hundred billion dollars not his personal cash though. Of course, he is incredibly rich, but cash of Hayes conglomerate, Berkshire Hathaway, of course, Warren buffet really a famed investor. He's going to write his company's annual letter on Saturdays. A fascinating read this very nicely rich and lots of insights into the markets. And we'll probably find out that he hasn't been off to spend much cash in the last quarter two thousand eighteen was the worst year for US stocks since the financial crisis, and he probably spent about two point two billion dollars on net purchases in the fourth quarter that might sound like a lot. But when you've got one hundred billion dollar cash pile, of course, it's not very much an Buffett Buffett's company, yet took instinct step last year of opening up another level of capital deployments. It's loosening its stock. I back policy. This is something that's Warren Buffett has previously resisted, but he's underscoring really how difficult it is to shift this cash pile one analyst saying that's purchase traditionally being very cautious and pretty patients in not buying stuff. That's expensive, and that's one of the elements of his success. And it's the right thing to do. But yes, lots of money in the Berkshire Hathaway Bank accounts and not many cheap stocks to buy. That's a very difficult situation. Thank you very much for that you and that was a Bloomberg's UN pods. Joining us here on the briefing. Tell you one has proposed a draft law to allow same sex marriage. It follows an announcement from the leader of the self-ruled island Zion. Gwen that she will stand for election in twenty twenty David slice injuries. A former editor in chief of Reuter sent an expert on China and its territories. Welcome to the program. David it was just a few months ago when voters in Taiwan opposed marriage equality in a referendum. How does this new draft law fit into that picture? Well, tying when is in a difficult position. Because the supreme court said that the Highland had to allow same sex marriage. But then the voters turned it down. So she's caught between a referendum and the supreme court. So they're trying to find a middle way. But the the key thing to do think about is that there is an election coming a year from now same sex marriages just one tiny part of it Deke issues are the economy, the relationship with China and ties own position within her her party is being a centrist of very dangerous position to be in in these days or does she have to move one way or the other? Indeed, she's an own juice going to run for presidency for re election next year. What are the tricks? She has to try to boost her popularity doesn't mean great for her recently. Well, actually, recently it has been good for her. She said at the end of last year, it was pretty miserable. She the the same sex marriage referendum went down in defeat. Number one. Number two. She got. Demolished in local elections. So I had to resign as party chairman. But then China gave her a huge gift by giving by making very bellicose statements and giving her a chance to be a calm rational stateswoman, offering protection to the islands people giving them hope, and in fact, or her popularity jumped ten points immediately. So from from being really down and out by taking a quite a measured but strong stance against China. She's restored a lot of popularity whether this will be enough or not who knows. But I she's done a lot in the last day since January watch wheel this this draft law or marriage equality due to her it seems to be a divisive issue in Taiwan steel, willow that actually increases support it is a divisive issue. And I think what it has done is. It's exposed the the split between a liberal urban population in a much. More conservative rural population also north south split really depends on how the KMT the major party against her ties to exploit the issue. They have to walk difficult line of themselves because they don't want to lose support in Taipei the capital, they don't want to appear to be socially conservative. But I think the Cam t has always been good at kicking issues down the road. And and having these these sleight of hand where you allow lots of liberalism without actually saying that your liberal dislike whether they're doing with with China policy. The campaign has always had tried to be a lot closer to China than the DP ties party has been. And yet they also can't be pro-china. They certainly don't want to be protected. They don't want to have full integration. But they have had much more economic integration. So it's really a matter of sleight of hand on on same sex marriage as it is with with everything else. How do you walk that middle line between to get voter support? Exactly. You just mentioned that Zion. Gwen popularity has actually been improving this year. How strong is her position at the moment. How how sure can she be that she will get reelected into into? Well, Taiwan shares with the United States one of these agonizingly long election periods. She announced that is running the election is not until January of twenty twenty. So an awful lot can happen in nearly a year. So she's being pushed within her own party by people who want to much stronger pro independence stance, and she's being pushed by the DP by by the KMT on the other side, which says, look, you're. Policy of being standing firm against China is actually hurt the economy. So she has to whether she gets reelected is really how she square that circle. How she improves economy how she manages the China situation, and how she deals with social issues that was the debut slash into. Thank you very much for joining us. Now here is what else is making news today. Reports suggest that the Islam estate group is on the brink of defeat in Syria, felons of civilians civilians were evacuated from the group's last stronghold yesterday. And it is believed that just if you hundred fighters remain, it comes US Vasu prepared to withdraw from the conflict in Syria as we have been hearing, the UK's host of common could be given a vote on a revised bricks deal as early as next week. It's followed intensive talks between the EU and the British government. The Prime Minister Theresa may has. So I struggled to get her deal through parliament. And today's monocle minutes reports that deer in Japan's Nara park have had enough of the regions in considerate tourists incidents of deer bites used to be rare but have risen traumatically in recent years in his partly because tourists have been teasing the animals, which is clearly not. A wise a broach. This is the briefing on monocle twenty four. The foremost ralian foreign minister, Julie Bishop has announced she is leaving politics. Bishop has been considering her future seems to losing a bitter internal contest to become prime minister. Let's get more on this with a monocle twenty four. So resident what's her of Australian politics? Ben Ryan who joins me now in the studio, Ben this is big news Bishop has been one four Julius most popular and high-profile politicians hasn't she she has. And she remains both of those things she was by far, the most popular politician. The most popular can contest of that leadership battle that happened in the in the ruling liberal party sometime ago when Malcolm Turnbull was ousted from his role. It was a non exactly a surprise that she didn't receive enough votes to put her in the top spot. What wasn't surprised that she received was that she received such a low number of votes, and that really opened a wound up? In the liberal party? It exposed the issue that the party has towards women, and that has been the general reaction amongst Australia's press to the news that Julie Bishop is leaving politics. There was a lot of there was a lot of behind the scenes of why don't even behind the scenes as oppose the optics surrounding her standing up in parliament to announce that she was leaving it revealed quite a lot Julie Bishop has been known in the past to send subtle signals with what she's wearing and how she dresses in certain situations. And there are a lot of people especially Annabel Crabb at the ABC have pointed out that she's taken a lot of that inspiration from the former secretary of state in the US Madeleine Albright when she announced her resignation. She was wearing white which was it struck quite a contrast to everyone else in the parliament who I it's really just a sea of blue and gray. And a lot of people looked at the white and thought that that's the color of the suffragette movement. That's the color that all the women were wearing when they turned up to these state of the union speech. In in in Washington recently. So those definitely signals being sent just from her wardrobe. She also proved her competency as a leader as well. She didn't rely on any notes whatsoever. When she gave her speech. It was all just streaming right? Over top of her head all of those years should spend as a foreign minister all eleven of them. In fact, is the deputy Eddie the deputy leader of the liberal party. They they'd all paid off and made her look like by far the most competent woman in the room. What does this mean force politics? Well, it means that the government is going to face a tough time at the polls for anyone who the who believes that women's issues are something that we ought to be voting on the government does have a problem with women. There are not enough women who are treated seriously by by the party, and that stretches across much of his trillion politics. It's not just the ruling coalition, of course, the debt. There is there is no escaping. The fact that Julie Bishop was overlooked for reasons that had nothing to do with competency or her popularity and that is an answer to which the government cannot provide it it's a question to which the government cannot provide an answer considering us background on the internal issues in this pause. Do think we may see a comeback off June Bishop there are a lot of people predicting that a lot of people thought that she's not finished with politics. She will make a comeback. I would have been banking on that if it weren't for her resignation now she has stepped down. She has said that she will be a not contesting her seat at the next election, which will happen in may if he wants to make a comeback to politics, she's going to have to stand for another seat somewhere, isn't she? So it seems as if she might actually be finished with it. But that said she's not finished with the idea of of women doing well in a strain in politics, which I think is going to be an inspiration to a lot of people. She's capping off a twenty one year career in politics. She said in her speech, she referenced that a lot of women had approached her and said that they would like to potentially take over her spot in politics as well, which is actually a bit of a prickly spanner to throw into the works for the government because they've already Christian porno who was the attorney general had wanted to parachute himself into that sate and because it is considered a safe seat. So the fact that she referenced women taking her seat in her farewell speech suggests that the government is now going to have even more trouble doing what they wanted to do. And what will she do next? It sounds like she's going to remain as a very influential character even after this career. Well, I I'm not sure if she were made an influential character amongst Australian political circles as I said, she was always she's always been very very popular. But then again, it's it's it's difficult to imagine that she'd have any active role in Australian politics, then potentially could be some sort of ambassador. Boreal role for an overseas post, perhaps as she's I as I mentioned, she's absolutely proven her chops when it comes to dealing with all sorts of of foreign powers, so that could be potentially very effective role full her. But then that rely on the question of whether she wants to remain in political circles, if she's going to have lots and lots of offers coming at her from all sorts of private enterprise, so I believe she's probably going to be running off Hyman and having a good thing about that herself. I wanna go spend ride in there. Thank you very much for joining us here in the proofing. It's time to review the papers. Now. Join T in the studio by Monaco, sewn Kaleta, Rabelo good afternoon. What do you have for us today? Let's start with the financial times here in London. Now, I know we've covered the latest on Brexit. But this is quite an interesting not sites at yet. Another angle on this developing story. This is about the European Medicines Agency, which you might remember after the vote to leave the U here by the UK. A lot of European agencies are based in London had decided it should relocate. And this particular one was voted by the EU twenty-seven that it would move to Amsterdam and we follow the process here. Why I'm sedan was picked that cetera. But what happened was that for them to leave UK they had to break their lease their contract for their offices here in Canada, and they had to Lisa up until twenty thirty nine. So it was quite a long lease. And obviously the develop. Offers an owners the Kennedy Warf group took European Medicines Agency to the high court asking them to find justification to break the lease or not that Brexit within be a justification enough. Now, the ruling has come out, and it's in favor of the cannery reward group, obviously the EU agency can still appeal, but no one really knows. Now what's going to happen while the process unfolds? It makes sense if you put yourself in a position in the UK's interest because it would open the doors for a lot of businesses to use Brexit as the reason why they wanted to break these expensive long leases. But nonetheless, this agency is now fully operational operational in Amsterdam and will they have to pay the five hundred million pound rent in London's still just a yet another another story here in the middle of the Brexit coastal area. Before no homes from London. What do you have next to the times of London? The times, and this is a head of the summit the between Kim Jong Guna from North Korea. And Donald Trump now is a story take saying how Kim Jong UN will travel to Vietnam not by plane how his the same way that his nuclear negotiator went to Hanoi s today, but by train now it's not unusual for us to see the Kim dynasty travelling by train whenever they do the few overseas trip trips. But in this case, it's quite it's going to be quite a tumultuous journey. Let's say through China through some of the most densely inhabited parts of China because the train is quite old and slow and heavy it can travel to more than thirty seven miles per hour. So for controlling to be able to make by next Wednesday. He probably has to leave today or tomorrow, it's two thousand three hundred and eighty five miles by train that are going to be traveled by his enters and. Of course, there's a huge a huge security concern. Not only passenger trains have to give priority to the centers. But also, you know, this needs to be heavy security along the route. And this is quite along route to go, let's have one more story Vic just really quickly. One more story this one from the New York Times. Now this story here is about the Russian military and yesterday Russian lawmakers voted to prohibit members of the military to use their mobile phones and to post on social media. Of course, there have been over the years, some investigative journalists organizations that have been able to track the movements of Russian troops through G location, and what they post on social media most famously what happened after that. Malaysia Airlines flight over Ukraine, but also in Syria. So a lot of people are seeing this as more. Just management of damages and avoiding that new bills. New sanctions will actually happen to Russia. If people simply don't know what they're up to less, social moodier and less candy crush in the future for those Russian soldiers. Thank you very much Monaco's Connaught Rabelo. Today's program we hit to Finland to discover the history of one of the country's modernised icons. Here is our correspondent in the city pet reports off. When the architect demo Ben Taylor was given the task of designing a new theater for the city of Helsinki. The project seemed like every architect dream the city had an active drama scene. But it lacked a large landmark theater building such was to be built in large one and a half Hector empty plot. With an undulating topography by the sea in this suburb of golly. Finland at the time in the nineteen sixties was at the architectural forefront of the world all at all had already earned his plays into pantheon of modernist masters alongside the likes of liquid and MS funded. The always of the world's architecture lovers. Wherein Finland although Benchellali was relatively unknown. At the time the societal role of the architect was at its height. He was given a card 'blanche when designing the building Benton decided to adopt a functionalist approach, whereas the name suggest function was to dictate the form the theater holes where placed horizontally because multi storied approach would have made stage, logistics difficult. This design resulted in a flat edifice that blends into the surrounding park and heels hugging topography around the building as one architecture historian wrote the theater holes are partly underground carved into the bedrock of the area. So that approaching the building. From behind. It is only a few meters told and very honest. You me this stands in stark contrast to the large for that dominates. The main seaside facade. It's glass walls and low rise design theaters main defining feature inside the theatre building white slabs of marble intersect with elements of natural wood and brass in a space filled with natural light and views of the surrounding parkland. This design is very typical of modernism, and sort of blends the boundary of the inside and the outside of the building. But for Stiller he'd had another rational. The openness of light field for with its grandiose views over the sea and the surrounding parkland stands in contrast with the closed theater halls this juxtaposition of light and dark the open space and the close space accentuates throw of the performance, but more importantly the for year acts as a kind of intermediary between the theater stage and the surrounding city again accentuating the theater as a social space not detached from the urban fabric of the city. There is a monumental isn't present in the Helsinki city theaters, design that was not typical of the modernist buildings of the time. Bentley himself was critical of the carbon copy architecture of the postwar years that is shoot the role of the building as a monument seeing its inherent value solely in the function that it serves for Bentley buildings had monumental value beyond their practical use value buildings. He believed were monuments that shaped the identity of the city Hilton city theater became more than a monument, it became an icon. It was the finest theatre of its time, and is widely considered Benteler's finest design, it was a career defining work for Bente who at the time was relatively unknown Finnish architect after its completion. Benteler was hired teach architecture at Berkeley university in California and later worked for almost two decades at the prestigious Viennese academia, building in Kunst in terms of functionality the Helsinki city theatre. I stood the test of time. It is today. Finland's biggest professional theater with nearly a thousand performances per year and his passionately loved by the theaters employees, the building was carefully and painstakingly restored for its fifty year jubilee two years ago by the hilson debased. LP our architect wanted to modernize the billings technology without altering bent over. Original design. The renovated theatre can host the most technologically advanced place a musicals, but stepping into the building is like stepping into a time machine. The Hilton city theater is today considered one of the defining buildings of finish modernism alongside such masterpieces. All of those Finlandia hall and yet din, Linda, grains, he'll sink Olympic stadium. Thank you Beth reports. So for that. And that's all for this addition of the briefing. It was produced by Reese James and researched by your fan terrorism on our studio manager, boss, George mcdonagh. I am Marcus have been thanks for listening to buy for now.

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Food Neighbourhoods 126: Naples

Monocle 24: The Menu

06:05 min | 2 years ago

Food Neighbourhoods 126: Naples

"Hello and welcome to food neighborhoods. Monocle twenty four I am Marcus hippie. Also, these various the locals love for their food entering offerings and in this series. We get to know these places these week, we set aside Italy's love of pizza and embark on a tour of Naples destination famed for its pasta Cheerios, our guide these Monaco's Ben Ryan. Too many a culinary minded travel of the city of Naples is enormous with just one dish pizza. That's not without reason. Despite the full Huddy robbery that scene the doughy stateful transformed into flaccid fast food the world over atypical via Poyton pizza remains one of life's greatest pleasures and in this city. He good pizza is often as easy to stumble upon as a big red bus in London. The price is largely the same to what many visitors simply unprepared for however of sweet Neapolitan treats that line the windows of bakeries or posture years all over the city arrive in early March, and you'll likely find the city blossoming in a peculiar shade of yellow. It's around this time that the famous mimosa flowers are in bloom and with the eighth of March marking International Women's Day, a funnily held traditions bouquets of brought. Yellow Mosa given to women and girls Demosa flowers are of course, lovely thought for a sweet tooth, the monosso cake is even better it's often a vaguely dumb shaped sponge with thin layers of cream flavored with cure and covered in the crumbs of the yellow sponge giving the appearance of its namesake flower. If you've spotted Mosa cakes in the windows of old navels chances are you'll find a pasta Yeta perched quite close by both our traditional dishes at this time of year with pasta taking center stage at east, oh, some people describe this as being a bit like a tot. But I think it has more in common with an American pumpkin pie. The feeling is made from cooked, wheat eggs and recorded cheese. But the key ingredient is the addition of orange blossom water a magic potion that gives pasta all the flora chums of the bay. A of Naples full the city's best puffed Yeta look no further than post-italia fiar 'em in the heart of the city, but be careful to save some room for the other begged treasures too complex him a chocolate and almond cake. Bubba a small rum soaked cake with an unusual buoyancy often shaped like a mushroom and pelota a light brioche like cake with custard cream and black cherries. It Helen's disproportionately adept at crafting Olmeta of elegant sweet creations an English tourist might struggle to comprehend atypical Italian breakfast often little mole than an Espresso and a sweet biscuit pulp into any of the city's favourite pasta. Teddy is and you'll struggle to leave with any space left in your belly in Dade when it comes to the cakes of navels. There is no wrong choice. But for a truly Neopolitan experience a treat so unique. You'll almost certainly struggle to find one worth its weight in sugar beyond the companion region. Make a beeline force for your teller at natioanl conveniently located near the Piazza gotta Baldy the hint at this posture years specialty is in the name a teller is shaped a bit like shell covered in very thin layers of pastry. Filled with a special custard and pieces of candied orange any attempt to crown the best of Naples sweet treats would be a fool's in Devon food has been a serious artform here for centuries, and that very American trope of sweets, somehow constituting guilty pleasure remains utterly foreign how after all could ape beautifully constructed baked treat carry any such guilt to bear witness hand to just how serious business Neopolitan baking can be wonder who come bring us beautifully regal nineteenth century pasta him in the shadow of the city's Royal palace. The prices here are noticeably steep, but dishes are served with a special kind of prestige, and Glenn reminiscent of a bygone era of Italian opulence. The Thailand of such a sweet tool one might expect once trousers sized to have. Expanded an inch or two well while I certainly won't claim to have decreased in size. There is something to be said for what's often casually defined as the Mediterranean diet Italians are among the slimmest in Europe. And while there are plenty of indications that the encroachment of fast food much soon change that the culture of eating initially bears little resemblance to the overstuffed habits of crude convenience in Britain all the United States eating in Italy is a celebration. It's an opportunity to be with friends and family and appreciate the pleasures of daily life of which in this part of the world. There are very many for monocle in Naples. I'm Ben Ryland. This is being episodes number one hundred and twenty six food neighborhoods. Thanks to Ben for the tour in Naples for more food and drink stories student to the menu every Friday as nineteen hundred London time, I am Marcus hippie thankfully sinning by for now.

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Wednesday 24 October

Monocle 24: The Globalist

58:30 min | 3 years ago

Wednesday 24 October

"You're listening to the globalist first broadcast on the twenty. Fourth Tober two thousand eighteen own monocle twenty four the globalist and association with UBS. Hello and welcome. It is Tuesday afternoon in Asia morning in Europe, and you're to the globalist monocle twenty four with tigon rice in London today a Brussels. I, the European Commission formerly slaps down Italy's budget telling it's populist governments to go back to the drawing board and spend more responsibly. Also, Khashoggi's catalog newspapers have been publishing previously anonymous columns by the murdered Saudi journalist, but does that serve his 'cause were put his family at risk, and then they match polish lease the world's longest see bridges opened between Hong Kong and Macau, but only for the select few also on today's lobe, list sous of highlights from the November addition of monocle magazine continues with the liberal resistance to Poland's, right wing government. I think we should differentiate between those terms the first one, third, terrorism. I don't think there is enough evidence to make that claim. They're tearing implies restrictions. And personal freedoms and elections, not really taking place. This isn't happening in Poland is has not been happening. Poland will also get some business news newspaper of you. Plus we hear from Rome on the legacy of Gilbert, oh Benetton one of the Italy's most powerful business people whose died at the age of seventy seven all that and more coming up on the globalist with me tigon right. The time is eight, oh two in Brussels and in Rome. For these, there's a standoff over budgetary sovereignty for the first time since it assumes the power to do. So the European Commission has ordered a Member States in this case Italy to revise its budget for government spending. The drama has been brewing for some time, both parties in Italy's populist coalition at made promises during their election campaigns that were always bound to clash with Brussels rules on dipping into deficit process dictates that Rome should not take three weeks to come up with a revised proposal, but there's little to suggest that you're savvy Conte's government is ready to compromise ABI. Latina dough is Rome bureau chief for the Daily Beast joins me on the line. I'm also joined by Ryan heath politicos Europe editor welcome both to the program. Let me start by coming to you Ryan and how much will Brussels have labored over whether to actually issue this sensor a lot, to be honest with you. Brussels has been in the situation. Before where it has wanted whether to go this far with countries, including Spain and Portugal, and it is fairly mentally burnt by the Greek crisis. We've had a situation where personals had to be tough for many years on Greece and they're obviously high social costs to that. And I think it was a little bit easier for people sitting in the offices in Brussels to to make those judgments with their pens. They didn't really have to face people on the ground in Greece who lived with consequences of it. And I think that eventually those messages seeps through and the growing popularity of the chooses has made people reflect very deeply. But at the same time, they have also understood that there are more and more challenges to e- principles to e agreements. We saw that on migration, we see that with rule of law and Hungary and Poland. And I think there is a collective sense that you can't let populist governments, sort of break everything that they governments have. Agreed to. That's what's what's caused them to get this point. Ryan stay with us. We want to bring in Bombay latte, Senate, go in Rome. Bobby welcome. Just county has set himself actually, he would like to compromise, but what do you what sense? Do you get about water compromises in his language? And is he willing to go far enough to to satisfy Brussels? Well, I think the big the big issue with that particular statement is affected you is not really in charge of the Italian government right now. He is very much the mouth piece of Matteo Savini of the league and. The five star movement leader in the fight, which you know is obviously in and of itself kind of a complicated best. Just if you address the foreign press the other day in a press conference in wasn't really able to answer a lot of questions. He had talking points and so I think is going to be up to what cellini and so has a time and time again so that he wants to rewrite the rules of the European Union. He wants this conflict. It seems very in a number of ways. And I think that he's been waiting for Brussels, something like this, and he's ready to fight. Bottom line is that he talion leadership right now says they will not make any changes to this budget. So they may take three weeks to do nothing and then sort of push breathless up against the wall process leaders up against the wall and see what they'll do in return, and I seek it can't be understated that this government is is not a pro Europe government. They've set it time and time again, they don't wanna leave yours. Euro-zone. They don't want to to situation is great, but they want to do it on their own firm. Do are you suggesting Bob, if there's an aspect of theater tool this? Absolutely. I mean, this is Italy after all. And you know, government after government has has done well by by appeasing the voters, bread and circuses and things like that. And I think you know, you look at the latest polls that show that fifty five percent of talian right now support this particular budget. Forty, four percent of Italians in the latest poll are not pro your. European at the moment. So you know, they've got a, they've got a peel to their base. They've got midterm regional elections coming up here in this country as well, and they're doing what the people want to be done. You know, they voted in a populist government and the people have spoken and the leaders right now are or self, especially more popular than any leader in recent history, including Silvio Berlusconi, who also ruffled feathers Brussels, if you recall very much so and Darby stay with us. Bring back in Ryan. He, you know if they says a theatrical production, I suppose you were saying earlier, Brussels is a reluctant participant or a reluctant actor. And whilst though if Brussels is to push this to the nth degree, and if they Italians are to resist this sensor, what ultimately are the consequences and what powers Brussels have to impose its will well in legal and fiscal terms. The consequences that the you can end up finding Italy for for what it seems to be willing to go ahead with. So the irony being the Brussels officials say Italy doesn't have the money to push its policies. So we're going to charge more money for shooing them. So that is obviously a policy that's never intended to be used because it doesn't have a lot of alternate logic to, but the political consequences, probably the ones that more meaningful. So you're already seeing officials like Antonio Tajani, who's the president of the parliament getting trapped into the same sort of rhetoric and thinking of the populace. So he essentially says, well, you know, some of these policies are actually good ideas. It's the ideas that the problem that actually won't work because they will end up in the hands of the Romer and the foreign citizens. If you give this basic income and all of a sudden, he starts to sound almost identical to people like Salvini. And of course serving has a real interest not on the in having this, but potentially in putting himself forward as an turn lead to the euro. Paean commission. You can very easily see him putting himself forward as one of the spits in candidates to replace include Janka. He's virtually no chance of achieving that goal. But he has a very significant chance of dominating the discussion of the next seven months in the lead up to the European election. So all that does is build up his momentum at home. It builds up the potential for a big blocking movement in Brussels, even if they can't get a majority in anything they can really mess things up and gives him a platform to push messages home for the next seven months to withhold born in mind, Ryan, how far do you think Brussels will will push this? I think they will try and stand the ground. I think that that trapped in what way, and they use very interesting language to describe the position. They talk about the allusion of breaking three free by claiming sovereignty. They talk about how Italy spends as much on debt. Now as it does on education, so they will try and make this. Point in order to stop other countries from doing this, even if they realize alternately, they con- still Italy itself doing this. Let me bring back in Bombay, you talking earlier Bobby abuse the public. See Italian public support of this budget in general is more to do with the individual spending commitments that have been made such as that universal income or any others that you might care to mention, or is it more to do with the idea of a general dislike of Brussels weighing down on their elected government? I think it's a little bit of both. You know when you talk about the income that's not going to go to every talion gonna go to the lowest wage earners until of course, that appeals to a certain segment of society. But there had been growing euroscepticism here in Italy for many, many, many years. You know, people have washed what happened in Greece. They watched a lot of rules and regulations that they don't think apply to their own circumstance. Is here in Italy, and I think it can be argued that in many ways they don't. You know, the cultures very different here, many ways it could be argued, you go back to whether or not Italy should've ever joins the the monetary union. It's it's, you know, all these questions are being rehash over and over and over again right now. And a lot of that is powered by so vs sort of undercurrent of anti euro rhetoric during the campaign. Now during his rain as interior minister and vice prime minister of, you know. And I think a lot of Italians like so far what he's done with migration clues, the borders, closing the port. I think that a lot of Italian that is a success and see him as a doer, not just someone who talk talk at this point. I think that they trust that this budget is actually going to be better for them. I don't think a lot of talian get into the nitty gritty of what it's really about. I think they say, well, he's done well with my Gration. Why don't we trust him now when it comes to this budget? But the bottom line is that it's not just the Conti that we need to be. Wondering about right now. It's really about so Vini. I think at the end of the day, into the lesser extent, we mile the leader of the five star. Okay, Bobby lots in DOE of the Daily Beast in Rome. Thank you for joining us. Thanks to Ryan heath politicos Europe editor joins us from Brussels. Here's what else we're keeping an eye on today. The US President. Donald Trump has said that the murder of journalist, Jamal Khashoggi at the Senate, he combs today's an Istanbul was a bad original concept carried out poorly, and that the cover up was the worst in history. Mr. Trump said that whoever responsible should be in big trouble. Washington is revoking visas for twenty one people that it has identified as suspects. Donald Trump and Putin will meet in Paris next month at their last meeting in Helsinki US president was criticized for peering to Costa his Russian counterparts. Both will be in France to commemorate the centenary of the ending of World War One and police in the English resort of Blackpool have been inundated with quotes from friends after posting CCTV of a thief with a distinct resemblance to David Schwimmer who played Ross in the ninety sitcom one member of the public suggested it was nast the suspects day his week has month or even his year black police, that it was sorry, it has to be this way. And confirmed that was not a suspect. This is the globalist stay tuned. Jamal Khashoggi is a name that will live on history a long time after his death, sadly for the Saudi journalists, one of few willing to question it. So for Terry and government is impact will be felt far more greatly in death than it did while he lived before his murder, much of his writing was published anonymously since then us papers including the New York Times and Washington Post have republished much of his anonymous work under his byline raising questions in some quarters about the ethics or even safety of doing so while many members of his family still live in Saudi Arabia, which joining me to discuss the ethical considerations here at George Brock professor of journalism at the at City University in London. Welcome to the program. George, do you think this is the right thing to do. Yes, I do. I'm going to give the Washington Post and the new time. Some of the most prominent publications republish these columns on the Kashoggi's name, the benefit of the doubt, partly because of their reputation for good and ethical behavior. I'm assuming I don't know, but I'm assuming that they did some checking after the reporters have been doing a lot of reporting in Saudi Arabia in the last couple of weeks. So I'm assuming that they were able to do some checking with his relatives about what the rose thought might be any consequences of the publication also because of the spotlight that has been shown on how kashogi Dodd, I think his relatives, I it, it would be really bad for the Saudi Arabian Mona key. If it took any action against his family after all kashogi son, Salah. And I think one of his uncles were received with quite a lot of publ. We've seen pictures on the players today by the crown prince yesterday. So I, I think they have to take a judgment and I think the judgment was good. Give some insight into the process that would have gone into making a decision such as this. Well, the Washington Post who the people who published Kashoggi's Cullens, how somebody who sits on the opinions of people who look opinion and comment. And I think she's called the global opinions editor, and she had handled Kashoggi's work and his translator had delivered a lost column to the Washington Post. I think on the day, the very day that he actually disappeared into the site consulate in estan bull and they quite naturally held onto that piece of work in the hope that you know they could. He would repair and could with him as they normally did. Once it became on avoidably clear that he had died, the decisions in detail quite clear or exactly how he died. Than the, I assume they did a little bit of taking soundings. Obviously, if they take soundings with Kashoggi's family, they wouldn't necessarily tell people they've done that if they were able to, we don't know. But as I, I think they would have been, they would have debated Catholic. And I think the other thing that might wait in their mind certainly would have weighed in my mind if I've been doing it was that the the comes a point after which prudential caution is not the right thing to do. One of the things you might want to reflect on feel the Washington Post and you'll his publisher is what would Jamal Khashoggi himself have wanted to happen? And I think it's fairly clear from what he wrote that he probably would've wanted these. You know, his Cullens demonized his is named put on them and and his lost one published. His lost one was in fact a column about the lack of. Freedom of expression in the Middle East, it would have been, I think, rather an irony I felt if I was Washington Post, it would have been other an irony if they hadn't published a column about free expression Nevis Kashoggi's no longer with us. I mean, obviously the primary consideration all this as the safety of his family, they will have had kind of an uneasy existence within Saturday Arabia before his death and goodness knows how they feel now when can only imagine is safe to assume given the climate that we're dealing with given the propensity that the current regime sandy Arabia's has already demonstrations, is it really safe to assume that their that their safety could be is unlikely to be impinged upon even in the medium to long rather than the short term. I don't think that anybody can be one hundred percent certain about any such things as that, as I said, people at the Washington Post on the times in which do the same thing have to take a judgment on the best available information. They've got what the safety of people who are politically at variance with the regime in one way or another. Even the describing them as kashogi himself never wanted to describe to the dissident whether the safe in the medium will depend on political developments in the kingdom. If the crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, who is suspected of being the person possibly behind cushal death, if he loses power in the system than probably distance, he didn't like, are you know, fairly safe for some time to come if or indefinitely if he recovers and consolidates his power than than possibly some. Our risk. I'm not saying that they don't take measures against people. The was a Saudi dissident who lived in Canada for about ten years. He was visited by Sidey agents who said, come back to the kingdom. We've been sent by the crown prince on they brew along one of his brothers to try and persuade him. He refused and two of his brothers and eight of his friends inside the kingdom were arrested. So I'm not saying that they don't use pressures of that kind. I'm arguing that I think what went through the mind, the Washington Post and the times was the spotlight that has been shown on the case. He's so bright that actually it would be very difficult for the regime to do anything about any member of his family, George Brock of City University, London. Thank you very much for joining us today. UBS has over nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different on news of a million hundred of the shop is mowing freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. The one, no small refined though we could help. Help contact us at UBS dot com. It's eight nineteen in Warsaw seven nineteen here in London. They knew addition of monocle magazine features and interview with Poland supreme poor president Mulberries Gerston who expresses her fear that the rule of law in Poland is being eroded by the government. International headlines have raised concerns over rising, author, -tarian tendencies in Warsaw, but reasons. Elections suggest that polish voters aren't entirely on board with the trend. Other willing to make their concerns known Monaco's. Ben Rydin spoke to Dr Roquebrune voltage from the department of social science at the UCLA institute of education. I think we should differentiate between those terms the first one, third, -tarian ISM. I don't think there is enough evidence to make that claim. They're tearing his implies restrictions and personal freedoms and elections. Not really taking place. This isn't happening Poland. This has not been happening Poland. Thankfully. And recent local elections are also a testament to this to vibrance of polish democracy at the same time liberalism. Absolutely. And that's not only happening in Poland. It's happening all over Europe, but I would say this happens on discursive level. So it's part of the discourse that the government is producing. It's part of their view of the world. It's very conservative, very nationalist. This is something that the us in order to rally support. This is what some sociologists called discursive strategy. So populism is more on what is said rather than what is being done. They delineate for stark differences between us and them between the elite and the populace between Poland and Europe, perhaps as well. But then when it comes to the real politics when comes to what they're doing in terms of everyday governance and in terms of their international foreign relations, it's probably less less extreme. The supreme court president has spoken to Monica. And said that she does feel as though role is under some kind of threat. But so far, she's absolutely refusing to go anywhere. Do you think that those moves from the government represent at least the government looking toward the idea of authoritarianism and seeing that? I, that concept of governance as something that is attractive. The continuous reforms since two thousand fifteen, the Justice party have been implementing in Poland are definitely a breach of separation of powers. But again, the standpoint from which they're coming from is that they have a clear electoral mandate to do this so part. So that agenda is not that different to what other democratically elected. Governments have been doing across Europe or in the United States, where by fifty plus one gives you majority or sense of entitlement to throw established order political order into desperate of history. So given the results that we still at those recent elections and the fact that. There are actually a lot of polls out there who are expressing dissatisfaction with the government eight feels there is quite a gap between how polish voters feeling about all of this and the way that the government is behaving given that. Do you think that the link between authoritarianism and what's happening in Poland, or even just decide dear of the far right being on the rise, has it been overblown by the international press? I think that using that category authoritarianism skews our judgment of things. I think it's worthwhile to speak of liberalism of mentor, Terry democracy of populism of an no nationalist understanding of community. I don't think there have been any movements on the side of the government to imply that they have authoritarian yearnings per se, just to be an elliptically clear coming back to that split between what the what the society wants and what the government has been doing since twenty fifteen. This is definitely been. It was exemplified in research. Local elections, the twenty fourth Tober. So the law and Justice party have one. They got one third of the vote, which is their largest party. But at the same time, they will be governing only and perhaps three out of the sixteen local governments, and they will only have majority in perhaps nine of the sixteen local parliaments. When I look at polar society, it feels as though the polls really feel as though they've come a long way since the days of Soviet rule and they would be modern day Russia as a regime that is a threat to the way of life in Poland. With that in mind, if any polish government would who start replicating the kind of rule that the Kremlin inflicts upon its society, they will be a little polls might have a bit of a problem with that when you think thankfully, even the current government has its suspicions about Russia and rightfully so considering its rogue activities in Poland's immediate neighborhood. I think that the comparison between Poland and Russia is also. Not very analytically helpful. Russia has never had functioning democracy. It had moments when this was on the horizon, but it never really materialized. So authoritarianism light authoritarianism in Russia is definitely been entrenched since the nineties. What is happening in Poland is more similar to the developments polarization within the political sphere across Europe. But yes, that split between liberal understanding of democracy and the sovereign understanding of democracy is Putin likes to call. It is still very visible in Poche -ociety and even people on the right wing side of politics would probably not want to aspire to follow in his footsteps that was Dr rock dune votes of each speaking to Monaco's Ben Ryan. Twenty five minutes past the hour. We're going to have to some of the day's top newspaper stories I'm joined by Alison would who's a consultant at control risks. Welcome to the program Allison. And let's see where you are taking us first as to the financial times and the decision by or she, that the Daily Telegraph you take into his first. The decision by Dyson is on the front of both papers to Dyson the the manufacturer, best known for ole things blow and suck turnings attention to electric cars and choosing to Brill them in Singapore, Ravin Britain. It's home. Exactly. I thought this was interesting, I guess because one it was perhaps an unexpected decision, but I think reflects a broader shift in the automobile industry. I mean, first of all, I think it it represents sort of, ah, shift to east. I think for a lot of companies that are increasingly looking at markets. That are growing in Asia, and he did site sort of supply chains and tax breaks and incentives is one of the reasons for setting up in Singapore. But I thought this was also interesting in in the context of peace at the f. t. published as well that talked about German automobile manufacturers and the challenges that they're likely to face over the coming years as electric cars become more popular and sort of their challenges in adapting to to the new markets globally automobiles. There's so many Sony to this story, and it's worth pointing at the James Donaldson. The mount who established this firm is one of the biggest proponents of breakfast and is often seen in the media downplaying the likely impact of so-called hard Brexit on the UK economy. At the same time, he runs a firm which is known the world over as being very good at what does perhaps. One thing that's no not too much is that while the Aren d happens in Britain, none of the manufacturing happens in Britain. It all happens in the far east. So I suppose this could be played both. Quays in terms of of Brexit story? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think it's, it's certainly comes at an interesting time with other front page, headlines coming about Brexit and sort of the need to, you know, bring goods into the country and stockpile. I mean, I think this contrast quite starkly with the reality of of sort of supply chains and manufacturing lost Britain does not have to worry of as redirecting borders, but then I would he no, because he doesn't actually build anything in Britain. Have anything suppose apart from the things that he actively imports from China elbow under his own name. And the other interesting aspect tool this is, you know, I speak to lots of business people in my job and and it's evenly divided between those who say, you know something building things in in Europe in the developed world manufacturing them does come with a bit of a price premium, but it's worth this. And then you've got the other side, there's people who are building in the forest. So the, you know, the Senator Singapore is not a cheap place in which to to to do business. And increasingly, neither is is China. No. I mean, the cost of manufacturing sort of inputs in China are increasing significantly though. I did think it was notable in in f. article. They did say that China has something like two-thirds of the world's battery manufacturing market. So I guess from that perspective, I'm not an expert in electrical car supply chains, but intuitively that. Does kind of make sense just being closer to that market. But I think it's, it's, we're really seeing a shift in sort of economics of of manufacturing and supply chains, not the least because of the tariffs that have been put in place recently as well. Let's push on to page seven of the financial times. You picked out a piece. I. OSHA Tokes plan between the US and brush, oh, over their their nuclear dealer decision by at Trump, to withdraw from the the nuclear treaty between them. These talks, I think, are going to happen in in Paris next month. Exactly. I thought that this was an an interesting point for for a couple reasons. One just yet another meeting between Trump and Putin right in the face of midterm elections, which I think will catch a lot of attention back in the US. I think also this is interesting because it's actually Russia that's sort of raising the warnings about withdrawing from this nuclear deal and in raising concerns that this could have a broader impact on sort of the worldwide agreements and infrastructure that's in place to prevent any sort of nuclear conflict. And so it's interesting to me that Russia almost seems to come off the voice of reason here in this piece. Noteworthy though. It'll happen on November the eleventh which is teen or the end World War One. One, which is five days after Americans go to the polls for the mid term. So they'll have already made up their minds by then. But I think that the specter of another meeting perhaps replaying of that last meeting in Helsinki where they both looked very pally and very chummy might not play terribly well in the election campaign. And where are you taking next to New Zealand? Is that right? Yes. So this was a piece about Chinese investment in New Zealand in impact that's having both on the economy and the environment. New Zealand was actually one of the was the first, I guess, developed country design a free trade agreement with China. So it has a long-standing economic ties in history with with New Zealand. But recently Chinese investment has become more controversial like many other markets in the world. Chinese investment, particularly in residential properties has increased the price of homes beyond what many sort of local news lenders can afford. There's also increasingly environmental impacts as a result of Chinese investment. There's been quite a bit of increase in the dairy industry which is having impacts on the environment. And so it's it's beginning to cause quite a bit of controversy and concern about the level that sort of Chinese investors and individuals have over the New Zealand government that's suppose the the concern that you talk about the property sector, Chinese buyers, pricing, outlaw. Locals, but what about that that the the likely or the potential for for influenced? China could be buying? Not raising any any alarm. It is raising some alarm. I think as the population of Chinese sort of individuals grows New Zealand. They're increasingly pushing for their views to be represented and in the New Zealand government. And that I think is you know, causing some consternation among certain politicians in the country. And I think this is an issue that's being played out in a variety of different areas across the world Pacific -ly specifically, sort of in that Pacific rim region. And so I think that's interesting. Finally, Alison, we're talking a nail in the coffin of a DVD. You wouldn't want to put a nail through DVD because really would be in a coffin. Ted, this story, John Lewis, the big department store chain here in Britain, deciding to discontinue the sale of DVD players and deed. It's something like an end of an era, though all be the first to admit that I can't actually remember the last time that I used a DVD player, but I think for those of us that still remember frequently using, you know, VCR's this is sort of the second generation of technology that we've seen gradually retire. So is it just because we're starting to feel that it kind of feels like DVD's were the kind of the bright, shiny new thing, not long ago onto talking about their demise so rapidly or maybe they've been around for longer than I realize. I'm not sure. Maybe I, I'm kind of maybe I think they've been around for longer than they have as well. But it does seem like sort of it's funny disease then come and go as fast as this one has on your perception of the passage of time skews the more. Hours of more years you have on your personal Malamah and there will have to leave. Consultant that control rich. Thank you for taking through your pick of the day's paper. Still ahead on our globalist will hear about the legacy of Gilbert. Oh, Benetton. The Italian business magnitudes passed away. Next though, we're on a bridge from Hong Kong to Macau. UBS global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of people. We bring fresh thinking and perspective to our work, and we know that it takes marriage of intelligence and haunt to create lasting value for. It's about having the right ideas, of course, but it was time about having one of the most accomplished systems and unrivaled network of global experts. That's why at s we pride ourselves on thinking smarter to make a real difference. Junin in weekly to the bulletin with UBS for all the latest insights on opinions from UBS and experts from around the world. You're listening to the global, so monocle twenty four with tiger and right. It is fifteen thirty four in Hong Kong and Macau to places now connected by the world's longest see bridge stretching to fifty five kilometers and costing twenty billion dollars. The bridge has opened to traffic today aside from the field of engineering. There's also an incredible effort been made to monitor drivers with cameras in place to detect yawning at heart monitors, sending driver data back to the bridges control center. But the bridge is not for everyone with access restricted to people with permits. James chambers is Monica's Hong Kong bureau, chief and joins on the line, welcome to the program. James, tell me what kind of a milestone is this for the bridges planners. How long has this been in the works? Well, this is it's a huge thing for the region MRs being nine years in the construction phase of two, two years late, but still take an almost a decade to build. But the the idea of building this Hugh. WJR bridge that spans the estry between Hong Kong and Macau can go back until nineteen Eighty-three where one of the big property tycoons in Hong Kong suggested the original idea. So it's an, it's an idea that's been bandied around for for a for decades. And now finally, today, it's it's been realized is this one of those problem solvers or creator of new opportunities was the real need for this bridge? Or they hoping this, you know, if you build it, people will come. I think it's more more the latter at the moment as you as you mentioned as viz permits on vehicles that can cross. And that's very much in keeping with what is like to drive to the mainland anyway. So if you are Hong Kong on Yonah KYW conscious get in and drive to schenn's Shanzen. You need to put Mitchell ready for various reasons. They drive on the different side of the road. So whereas Hong Kong has Dr the same site as the Brits, you know, when they go in the. Bridge, it'll be the Chinese side. So you're going on the right. There's also a big concern. Hong Kong has a population of seven point, five million and Macau population about six hundred thousand and his very small. So if every Hong Kong decided they wanted to jump in a car and have a little flutter on the casinos in Macau, the the tiny little city would be overrun with vehicles. So there's there's a reason behind the question is, you know, will will be much demand in Hong Kong anyway. At the moment you can get there by ferry it takes about the same time. That's the way most people get there. They go there on the boats. They gamble a bit. They have some food. They go and see a show, and then they come back. So there's not much excitement in in Hong Kong. The biggest play here will probably be the trade angle because this feeds into this idea of the greater bay area and integrating these ten huge cities in the pill river delta and just chokes me. A little bit more about the permits because it just kind of raised many questions about the, you know, the leases -ociety in Hong Kong, and you point as some reasonable reasons. One being they drive on the side of the road, though people go from Britain, Ireland to the continental Europe and have no trouble with us. The population disparity. I can get that a little base, but but but who these permits going to and is there actual evidence that the are being reserved for the the the richer classes, it's it's more like people who need to do cross-border business. So you see a lot of 'cause in Hong Kong that have jewel license plates. Those are the people who cross the border daily basis for business reasons. So these are the people who who hold those licences. It's not necessarily a rich or poor thing, although I guess you'd assume that the people who are doing business are making lots of money. So it's not not necessarily accosts angle to it, but when it comes to going to to Macau. You know, there's not much reason to go there pop from gambling and entertainment. So imagining the people who get those permits will be the ones who are who are going for those reasons. There's other new technology in deployed on this bridge. I was mentioning in in the introduction, cameras in place to detect yawning by drivers, heart monitors, sending driver data to the control center, and it seems an incredible level of some like surveillance and the yawning guests the heart monitors. What's the rationale there that you don't want to either this, this bridge, the construction is bridges as few casualties is being twenty twenty deaths, so very tragic. I guess they don't want. They don't see, you know, 'cause getting going off the bridge or or getting into crushes because it's it's, it is so long as you mentioned fifty five coloma's. So you know, this is the safety angle, but also it's it's a cheap way of trying to show off some some new technology in the biggest. The biggest thing here is. Engineering feet, you know, it is a, it is a huge bridge. As you said, it's the longest in the world. So I mean that's been grabbing the most attention. And I think these these kind of technology at owns just something that that China's don't add into show of some of its price. In those areas. There's been, it's been a big, big few months, Hong Kong infrastructure. The high-speed railing to China just opened a couple months ago too. So you know, it's it's a, it's a good time here for for connections to China, but not everyone is thrilled China's becoming closer to home. Okay. James chambers in Hongkong. Thank you very much for joining us today. On this week's episode of the ultra preneurs host. Daniel Bates sits down with the founders of flash pack. The adventure company caters to solo travelers in their thirties and forties. Looking to meet like minded people and people with a budget, the license traveled with a bit of style and comfort. It's founders, Lee Thompson, and Radha VS are a couple, and they decided to start the company after their very first date with an investment of just a few thousand pans back in two thousand thirteen Lee and Radha have grown flash pack into a ten million pound business flash pack, connect solar travelers in thirties and forties to share extraordinary adventures in style and comfort. So it's really targeting time pool, cash-rich professionals who don't have anyone struggle with and read a, tell me about this idea of flash packing, what's your idea of that and how does it sort of represent what the brand is today? It really started because back in my twenties. I was an avid backpacker and I found as I was coming into my thatches and approaching my forties, you know, I didn't want to stay in hostels anymore, and I did want to have same travel experience. I had the same spirit and ethos as backpacker. I wanted adventure. I wanted to dynamic Tintri by wanted to TC hotel at the end of the day. I think there's a lot of people that fit into category. It's a new term that's being banded about flash packing. I think we we didn't Queen the time, but we definitely built the business on the back of travel ethos. Leona just ask you about your professional background because I know you were photojournalist for a long time, so becoming an entrepreneur and launching your own brand, how did that come about? What sort of the steps that led to that? Yes. So I traveled to over one hundred different countries as a photo journalist covering anything from war-zones to natural disasters and major sporting events, how to really extrordinary career did things like like one of the first people to find Colonel Gadhafi's body just after he was killed. In Libya to covering the hour of springs in Tunisia Egypt, and I really had a privileged career where I got to see a different side of country than the average person gets to see. And I guess that fueled my passion for adventure off the beaten path, travel experiences. This idea, I guess I've been looking for something different of photo journalism for a few years, and then I met Rawda on offer state, and basically we oversee got on gray. The wireless flowing conversation was flowing, and she tells me about this business idea she has on immediately. I just resonated with Anna for this is what we're going to do. It just sounded so good. I was single in my thirties and essentially mentioned this concept of group adventure for people in thirties, forties. That was a and we haven't looked paxon's like to chart a little bit of your background as well and sort of leading up to the launch of this company meeting Lee was was a big part of that getting off the ground. But what we do before that, yeah, I run a consultancy fem raising money from high net worth individuals for the fed sectors, really nothing to do with travel. But I'd been an avid travellers since I was three g. to my parents being really into adventure travel. They were quite of God in their approach, and even my sister and I to Africa Asia in nine, two on our inventory months to visit family would never met. And I think that really mended my passion for travel and I've been traveling ever since. So I lived in south of FRANZ before I went to university, I studied in Madrid, did my dissertation out there in Spanish and lived and worked in Chile before coming to London to start my career. And when I found this gap in the market just out like the perfect fit on you. Exactly. Why when do with the rest of my life, can you explain a little bit about that? What sort of Gabby saw in the market and where the idea for this company where you thought that could fill that void? Yeah, lilies cannot of genuine need. I. I was point in my life as my Saturdays at been working really hard all year. And just needed a holiday and started searching around and asking friends. He wanted to come along with me and nobody was available. Everybody was busy with rain respective lives. Career is having children getting married, and I was, I suppose, to point my life out slightly isolated and lonely setting up another business and craved relief. Good company. A good friend of mine suggested I go in a group tool and it's it wasn't a concept I never heard before. I didn't think something that was available for someone my age and our move feeling a little bit offended that she even suggested I thought of myself as an intrepid traveller solar traveled on my life, very much intrigued by this idea of group travel and traveling with strangers. And when I started researching the mall, I realized that was really catering to budget Packers young people. He wanted to party all the time or the more luxurious tools. Flash packing tools were catering to a senior market with really slow. I tin reason I was something in between wanted dynamic adventure, but with a beauty towel and it just really in. Treatment. I thought the must be lots of people my age who find that their social circles are string king as they get older people are busy with their lives, and I started researching the mall and realized it was a huge opportunity. The singles market is growing labeling. I think by twenty thirty, they'll be more single households than married households. People are choosing to settle down. Much later on settling down tool is legitimate lifestyle choice. An intendant adventure travel market was growing sixty five percent year on year globally that the industries was sixty five, two hundred sixty five billion globally. And it just got me really excited and I thought I could do something special in this space. Frustrating of round of only Thompson founders of flashback husband and wife team behind the adventure travel company. Speaking to Monaco's. Daniel Bates you can hear more on the TRE preneurs which is always available for download all the usual download Pat forms. Forty, six minutes past the hour. We're gonna talk about business news now joined on the line by the courts reporter action. Rossy welcome to the program access and took me by what's happening on the markets or what's been happening on the markets. It's being a bearish October for the investors, and it's a mix of factors that have caused it. I m f recently cut global growth rate down point, two percent to three point, seven percent. China has slowed down and it's China security than is down twenty percent in the year, Italy has a populist government that wants to increase spending while the e was asking it to cut spending and they're, they are in a deadlock. Currently, the bright spot in the economy is the US, but there too. You have Barry signals coming through. So yesterday, US industrial bellwethers, three m. and Caterpillar announced that even though they've made prophets, they are forecasting that their own little fall do the trade war with China and the import imports of raw materials that they use for their industries. The trade tensions with China growing, there's a new set of tires to come on Chinese imports very soon, and the fed has signaled that interest rates will rise all this makes investors techy and they are. They're worried that we are heading towards Bama cket. It doesn't help that the midterms are around and political tensions are at a high. These, let's. Push on actually talk about a PC wrote yourself for for quartz talking about the image money, half a trillion. No. Sorry, half a billion dollars that the EU spent on technology defined climate change, but your piece suggesting this little to show for us. Yes. And this is a specific technology or carbon capture for background that involves putting up equipments on power plants or chemical factories, or cement factories, and trumping the carbon dioxide that they release, and then barring it underground instead of putting it into the atmosphere and worsening climate change. So the recognizes this technology to be a really vital part of the mix that it needs for its climate goals which are eventually hit zero emissions. And so over the last ten years, it spent about five hundred million euros out of a possible six billion euros trying to get this technology. To commercial stage. But because of again, mix of factors where the us programs won't very well designed, it's a nascent technology that requires governments to take a certain amount of risk and the EU hadn't baked that into the programs. The auditor's report, which which was published yesterday, and I wrote about said that this money didn't lead to the sort of outcome that you was hoping the good news is that they are going to start a new program, and that will be a much bigger funnel be about ten billion euros, and they are going to correct the mistakes they've made this time around and hopefully we will have a carbon capture technology in place in the next year's fingers crossed another an environmental dimension to your last topic actions that being the new electric jank you are car and not quite living up to its billing. Yes. So. So there is currently a race in the electric car market, and it's an exciting reach to be part of of course, the Bettag locked about tesla because it's, you know, in in the that's the car company that is doing the most electric cars. We shouldn't forget. China is the leader on electric cars and it's it's, it's news produce a lot more electricals antennas, but Jack who are comes at a very crucial time because they there isn't a rival yet in the model x. model s. which the premium categories of tesla cars that can compete with those models. Jaguar with its ibis is hoping to do that. What has happened though, is that even though the battery packs that are in the model x. and Jaguar are almost identical the Jaguars EPA rating, which is rating that the US Environmental Protection Agency. He put through standard tests has come out far, short of expectation. So the Mexican do three hundred miles and Jaguar can only two hundred and thirty miles. Do we know why we don't know yet? Why? And Jaguar hasn't said why. So there's a lot of speculation amongst battery people that they must be something going on with how Jaguar uses its battery compared to how the model exits battery. And I am hoping to investigate this little more today. Maybe they should get ill almost comport. He's always very easy to do business with action. Rasi of quartz. Thank you very much. Joining us today. As fifty two minutes past the hour. We end today's low blest with the end of an era in Italian business skill. Berto Bennett home best known internationally is one of the founders of the opponents. Fashion brand has died at the age of seventy seven. His legacy won't of course just live on in the United colors of Benetton brand, but for his and his family's range of other businesses which include roadside restaurants and controversial of lace road-building. The family firm had shares in the company which owns the bridge which recently collapsed in Genoa was criticized for its involvement. David places Monaco's Rome correspondent joins me now and how much of a of a milestone is. This is the passing of Gilbert, oh, banish on initially. As you looted to that in your intro, it's bit of the legacy is a bit complicated. Obviously, the brand Benetton sort of represents in many ways the very best in in terms of Italian industry and innovation certainly in the sixty seventies eighties. But as you say that the later investments of the holding company of Benetton have raised various questions as to the social and corporate responsibility of Italian capitalism is a whole actually. So it's his passing has. Is a difficult subject in Italy at the moment. To what extent did he shoulder at any level of blame for the general bridge? Collapse. Well, that's, I think that's a good question. It's maybe a bit unfair to blame the Benetton family directly for the collapse, but certainly that seems to be a lack of responsibility and the huge wealth. Benetton family mast is being sort of seen as as people looking at that as as a sort of decline in terms of capitalism, responsibility, especially when the core business is really a very small part, the manufacturing and retail out that is really a miniscule part of the Benetton family now unfair, no doubt. But I just wonder how much the idea kind of gather traction in the Italian media among the public. Well considerably actually, I was listening to various radio, broadcasts and TV. Also. The last couple of days and the argument is really whether his passing should be kind of whether it's whether his luxury celebrated or not. I think that that the the paradigm is very negative. One. He's seen particularly Jupiter to is seen as the main the man responsible for for the diversification of of the holding company and many looker companies like Zara, which profited Spanish company. They really match to make successive that clothing brand and chain, and people say, why couldn't Italy have done the same really so far ahead back back three decades ago, talk to us about his design legacy and fly his passing will be mourned by those in that sector. Well, the three brothers setup the brand in the nineteen sixties. Most importantly, in the in the northeastern region of Vannatter which was back then quite a poor rural region, they became famed for the popularity of will jumpers. And I think they were innovative in quite a few ways of manufacturing techniques and the building of supply chain that really sort of let Bryce to that the wealth of that region. But also, I think crucially and people would be familiar with this perhaps is the very unique corporate identity that Benetton manage to foster mainly through the use of photography and olive aero Toscanini was the creative director at Tokyo phone. People might recall those provocative images in the was of a black woman breastfeeding a white baby or or there was one that featured. A young man dying of aids. The these really put an it's on on on the map and sort of anticipated a global visual language that we see much more of now finally, and briefly, David. Is there any sense that Benetton as kind of a trail blazing brand had lost run at esteem of lace because they're certainly have been doing campaigns more recently. Well, I think they, they've sort of been caught on the wrong side despite them sort of anticipating localization visually. There was sort of caught on the wrong side of it, and manufacturing and outsourcing to cheaper manufacturing hubs have really hurt the Benetton brand, and they're the sort of mid priced high streets chain. They, they'd been overtaken by all manner of other the foreign competitors. So. It's really it's been a really tough job Benetton to compete, and I don't think they not what they used to be on the highstreet certainly certainly legacy. Okay, Dave, Pleasanton, Rome. Thank you very much for joining today with your thoughts on the passing of Jill Berta Benetton without brings us to the end of our global for today. It was produced by Collado Rabelo research by Pedro, annals, Martha LeBron Barbara my Mony and studio managed by Kenya Scottish. So the headlines Collado will be in the chair spinning disks on the continental shift and more current affairs coming up here on twenty four, the briefing cakes at midday in London, seven hundred and New York. That's just over four hours from now the globalist. We've back at the very same time tomorrow for now from me tigon rice and all of today's logo team. It's goodbye and thank you very much for tuning in.

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"Will it happen or won't it happen. You can bet on it with the bet for exchange proud sponsors of the final furlong. PODCAST the final furlong. PODCAST is proudly brought to you by Adt the racist dot com the ultimate online resource for racing fans. We've threatened to do it for very long time and finally it is here. Welcome come along to a special edition of the final Furlong podcast. I'm image Kennedy. This is a besting special. And there's nobody better to get on for this then the founder of learn that when a recent addition to the final fallen podcast family as well very popular over the summer period delighted to welcome back and looking for seven Mon Mon over the next few months and hopefully next few years as well declan mar pro punter learn bet when dot com. Welcome back to the final podcast. My friend Happy Christmas. Oh Merry Christmas you stuff from Christmas dinner very much so yet mince pies everywhere. This mince pies all over the studio here as well. All that waits been piled back onto me so I wanted to get you wanted to get you onto discuss the psychology of bedding the form. Tools that you use us what works for one person may not necessarily work for another. But I'm always trying to learn and I'm always trying to improve my abetting and particularly speaking to somebody like yourself or Neil channing or Hugh Taylor whenever I do speak to you. I always come away from that conversation. Feeling something of taken away from that. It's a fascinating time for racing bidding some ways. There's a lot of negativity but we're also treated to more information than we ever could have dreamt of having before as a specialist better like yourself. You need to have an edge. What do you feel your edges for me to say about my edges? I think I I tried to put it all together. I don't I don't just use warn aspect latest people that could make money just from Watching races might may be used section times overall times could make money just from getting nine goes from data handler analysts I think the best analysts would be. Somebody uses all of them and puts it all together and then takes each perspective. Beth may be on on its own merits to see whether they think it has enough at rather than just using one and I think a lot of contracts may be make. Make the mistake when they're looking for age. It's too maybe is the word obviously. Yeah obvious that does the federal. I follow on twitter and at what will happen. I think his name is a video portraying. Yeah that's him. Yeah hey a posted a video. Yesterday at this was fairly tenderly handled and a good few replies. Unlike so women were staying agreement. Yes it was and but in general most of the replies were tanks will put that in my tracker definitely. I want to watch for next time. Like when like that's the very last type arsenide ever reporting at mytalk hard because it's it was too obvious like the same as say a heart set. The radio abuser. been very obvious. You're never gonNA make money on the next day because they're actually massively over bash rider than when you're trying to make Gorny you need something that would be under bash in words that the price they might be eight when you think should be six to one Last time out are generally treat. Wounded should be Faisal excellent because everyone seeing them on I think the reply tweets actually reinforced something that I've known for a long time but in January pointer still gonNA get nejd wrong way in. They're looking for something that's obviously It does definitely increased chance next time. That harsh was not last time. But that's not how you make money make money by the American been wrong and Sta. Monica will look more than accounted for something like that also remember a number of years ago. A A former time former employee token about submitting his first report and most of the detail that he put in was about the unlucky runner up and his editor was saying to him. You there was a winner of that race. Like that's who you should be talking to the first of all then. If you WANNA talk about the Cuban rope you can put a lot of people would have noticed that. Talk about the bigger picture and it definitely. There have been plenty of racing experts who've highlighted the fact that seemingly unlucky horses or lack of effort on a horse left. I'm the motor or as Scott said. Recently on live television are horse who was stopped. Blatantly last time and growth could say then we can all say as stop last is definitely going to be one that if there are still lots competitors they're going to be having a big warning notice about that horse themselves. Awesome as you say it's going to be over bet next time so you're taking a little bit of everything then you're not just looking at. What's in vogue stride analysis or sexual timing? You're looking at racing. Although I don't think you can ever have too much information I know some people would say have definitely her her trainers commit with some authors claptrap. When people want more info like say a heart rate Sir meme wind ups before they came in it was the the standard line was all people will use them to so many different kinds? They they just confused reported It's say wish which hardaway stay sale. A horse could be grown. A different behavior was last year and like they most often take account for that. In any analysis you would do with the data As far as I'm concerned you can never have too much dodgy Because if if there is actually no value in it just don't have to use it but says sexual diamonds are are or no us. They're actually just ignorant they don't have to use the Radin admit daas say just try it may be disseminated those used I wouldn't this does people who would make money just from maybe coming up with their own time figures although I think less than in the past because they definitely are if not overbeck toast been over bash now definitely closer to the at the hospital for radio figure last time and sublimely Beckenham might not work but you still use that information in your overall assessment of the ours chances. I think whatever tools are at your disposal or that you're comfortable with in your armory and that works for you. Use and that includes trend analysis versus which we've often mocked on the final cast. But if you're somebody who gets a kick out of that and you enjoy doing it then by all means do it. It's not hurting anybody. It's an opinion and and with that in mind then declan when it comes to forming an opinion. Have you decided to specialize on certain types of races because as has a horse racing fan at my very core. I love all coats of it. I love the flat. I love jumps. If it's a big Saturday I want to get involved but there are plenty of days days where I would look at a card and just go. I can't find it that here. I see anything that is attracting place a bet and therefore a sit back and just watches as a younger man. That would not have been what I would've done would've blindly put learning through time. I got to that point. But is there in the success that you've had and the success that you were attending now. Is that through specializing in a certain type of race. I'm not sure specializing. In in a certain type of race I do a lot more race than jumps racing. And it's mainly just because you can't do everything and I do take at this over the course of all year racing much more competitive than jumps racing heresy heresy. We've got the King George Delivered Stone Christmas festival going on. You're talking flurries. There's a shocker. Absolutely disgraceful continue. This is all and go it but I have to make money. I have to bet every day you you any better on grave one race in. How many races have you got the bet on a year? No matter how would you wear even if you had a heart to present edge on them you still wouldn't get bigger bets on but the variants would be terrible. You could easily have news in years even with an edge and you have to be more often again eight more often. Otherwise you're turning your back process and flat racing for me in January day today. Handicaps are generally competitive whereas if you look at someone Everyday jump racing on Monday to Friday. It can be offered stuff altogether where you have. Maybe three horses come back after out for year in their Coppola having ruined in a couple of months and somebody odor. It's just have no chance like they're totally out. If our it's not very it's harder the spots shades compilers degenerate Priscilla little despite a diverse place. And I think you're pretty more information not racist I sedan They actually Roy Moore off than if you take your average sprint handicapper. Like twenty times a year and considered I would definitely be more of a arm based analysis analyst us all aspects but my judgment like I like on known information rider consigned to guests on non information so something like lights would would really suit you for example between when you have declarations out and you can when factor in if the residual bias yes or no stable form all of the various different information when you most likely to place your bets. So I know that you you for your site and I'm just looking one thousand. Three hundred ninety three percents bank growth on the primary advisory service on learn bit win so you send out tips in the morning. You're more than likely to be going through the form Guide and placing your bet day of mourning of race as opposed to like. I would be going through the card on the Thursday for Saturday race. Yeah I I looked true for so for tomorrow trace than I would do this evening and I come up with arses. I might have them down. In my tracker it could be certain angles that I will look at that. I think are January under best next time and and I would look at hearts to qualify under that criteria and then I could brew I might have a lot of horses Turkey. Harsono Capela could end up Berlin twenty seven for various reasons following day and does different skill to talk later. You're you have to put an accurate price or your estimate of a price on ours because otherwise you don't know whether it's better or not but there is a two different schools of thought on how to do in that some people absolutely. Hey look at any odds even a tissue forty to it because you know to six twin price day they went kinda get in your head and it can be hard to maybe get your own field for a and I've done it that way more recently. I think mainly he just turned. Assuming you're just too many horses to look on too many horses that you think might be a good bet if you spend an hour pricing of other owners in that race only to find the Harse you've now made will actually already tree to with the bookmakers. You've just wasted an hour and I actually find now I can by looking at the prices Floor even though it can be very real Sunday completely collapsed before the next day. It's still a better guides. Maybe racist the Reznor best. You can move onto the next one. You don't waste your time makes the northern Maine. That's even another team in general if you shouldn't try to so many race in you don't have to pay in every race if you want to make money Sorvino Angle. You've had a look at the top end of American any kind find any way into just move on and move onto another race. You're better off going deeper into a race Impossibility of Bash racist very lightly data bash. You mentioned the Athas trucker so I can tell you right now. There's a trucker and is at least a few of them that have been there for two years that I should have taken out by now. What qualifies vies for you entering horsing tracker? Because you made the comparison between the the tweet a better last time out horse who is deemed to be on lookie. So you know that's going to be an over bet horses. That's not something you're looking for and is it difficult for you to realize the dig up with certain horse that it's either going to be too short a price next time out or it's now two no one in the public domain. So there's no point in me looking at the source anymore. And therefore deleting it yeah I think that's it's as punters where I dunno I think reprogrammed to get really pissed off when we miss a winner if we miss loser we don't even know us. We just did win. I think we better off if you tried to program ourselves to be the exact opposite. Patted her on the back for not backing loser. Because they say we've had it in our tractor senior ruin the last day a knee it was it was better than a result. The real reason you put it into your tracker was because he thought it wants a ten for ducks. You'd look look at the race the next day on a Doberman Okay was better than results. Still have lock. Potentially a sea of pace could turn into the equivalent of the seven firm race. Sometimes they inclination is wins asking. You know maybe maybe this track for a while you'd be so secretive secretive it winds when you don't did you end up still putting a price on it and still back at even though in your heart to heart. It's it's not a bet you would get so so upset if it wins you'd still end up backlash whereas the opposite of dies harse Ria don't back at loses loses. You don't take time to maybe sage's ever well done nowhere near as much as the BOLIC's For the time it actually wins. And I think we'd it'd be better off if we maybe praises as a bit more for missing losers Radin missing winners. Error Missing Missing. Becca news visit backing winners. I've tried to do that lately if I've seen horse that I meant to put the trucker for some reason got stranded. Didn't maybe there was a squirrel in the background. And I got distracted distracted and then find out that the six to one and I'm kicking myself but at the same time it is about price and so so with that in mind when you're placing a bet. There are plenty of professional punters and racing pundits. Who will make a very strong case that this threes on shot is gold? It's a five star. Goldberg should be getting stuck in. It's triple bond rated. What price is it that you're looking for because odds-on is not something that is going to lead to long term success so one of the prices that you're looking for when you're placing a bash and I'd actually disagree with done won't lead to long term success a gun makers bed odds on almost every person every race a day make money long term because it's a new seven to wonder effectively banners? Not to win. It went to seven. And now you can you can make money at at any price on. Some paper won't be comfortable with it though because some people won't be comfortable with the fact. This is their back in probably more in sports patents than horse racing. But if you were back in something the average price of five to one on it won't be. They wouldn't be comfortable. Even if it wins ninety percent of the time or something you would make a lot of money you would never ed imagined that big on on attack priced but some people say it wouldn't be consulate because they won't be comfortable with new trade and get beaten in a row and they've lost so much kind of like people there's people I assume. Better for the Enron America's later one zero ones like somebody has to be a ended up by assume. There is some people making money Dennis but it does mean that when you get one wrong. It's taken it takes a big hit him to your profits at you. Need another hundred to get your money back. You know what I mean. Some people their temperament it won't FOR IT'd be better off trying to find value. Maybe are bigger prices side. I think everything is have to take temperament temperament into account for me. I back things at twenty two on that I touch beyond or two anonymous tarsus two hundred to one just because I taught I don't really differentiate much on on that side of things at all. I think if you're GONNA make money you do have to do is dangerous to beat the markets spot when generalizations wrong for example like say dollars Loser it's are deemed to be an accuser boxton tree ferns down going doesn't get unintended Slice from six cents down to compete melon's in general. That hearts will will probably be UNOKI. What happens is that people think it was always low key and whereas the Talian say that they had gone a really good gallop they quick kick for home a bit to sue and around a tree? Ferns just went to ours was blocked in identifying Fernie was basically ruined across or whatever as stopping that could actually be battered because by been boxed in it actually helped his jockey. It stopped him from making a mistake that all jockeys made on you have to be a a spot when the rule is wrong so ana generally just just opting presents a look look at everything and say well why am I even when we do have a best if you think of horses. Sixth woman on its tent one. I wouldn't really ever recommend just back in Iheart because he's bigger than than your estimate. I always want the reason why I'm Ryan and the market is wrong. Because I think if you can't find a reason there's a good chance did it's America. Know something did you don't know if you if you have a reason like say certain. UC ruined last last time. And you're very confident that it needed to step up trip that it's getting today but you don't think tank that it was sort of the market in general wouldn't spotted the doctor reason but if you can't think of anything more than I wouldn't just go back in there is because the chances are American. Actually did you know that you have an account for. You've you've made a number of points. I'd like to delve into their declan. One of them being if it were a bigger price than you think it should be and we we do often see that of course is supposed to be five to four on the notes tens and it runs accordingly that the market knew something but the the big thing thing and this has been going on for years is the betting ring isn't necessarily as prevalent as it once used to be. You would definitely definitely argue that the exchanges are more of a of a focal points particularly five minutes before the office to. What's going to transpire in a race? Or how a horse's predicted to perform. But you will always here but the gamble and the money's coming from the money's coming. This is the money horse or it. It could be at the Cheltenham Festival. And there's the Irish banker or the British banker. Or this. The Big hotpot horse as the talking points and I can completely understand because I've been in their wanting to be part of that that this horse can't be beaten or it's going to be a part of history and so people get carried away or if it's just a average Saturday afternoon race and this is a massive gamble for certain connections. You want to feel like you're you're part of that you're in on us. You're in on the game name. If you're ever going to make this game work have your own view. Be Willing to stick by US. If you're wrong you're wrong young and you go onto the next one. You have to be able to step back from the crowd and that's why you become successful at what you do because you're we're not just piling into a gamble that you've seen on a Saturday afternoon as being talked up on the telly. You're you're sticking to your guns. Yeah I I definitely didn't stick. There are more more But I wouldn't stick to your guns because you can always reevaluate but yeah that's what you're on your way through eight as you did your initial assessments in other words you. It could account for new information like say. It's a certain trainer owner. You might find your horse on its fifteen and you noted that means today is not the day and you could you can use that that new information or new information about the ground Adams you watched I race and realized at looks bad today or you don't want to be on the inside your heart season the insight site. So you don't stick to your guns regionally you stick to your your process of of that decided whether it's good or a bad bash. I do think as well when when I said about Ben Ryan been wrong closer district off the big. The the more of a reason you need while you're right another Tonight before you mutate a harsh should be five to. I didn't know relying into this. and He's twenty two one with a bookmaker now you don't need to come up with a huge reason wide. Take that price because the reason is fairly obvious to the traders have. I got it wrong because they will geshe. Dozens and dozens Santos surprises wrong by quite big margins every night they just so many prices seem to be you know picked out of a hat or something like that. So it's it's not that hard all right to beat those early prices and you don't need as much of a reason but you're baton to mid forty S. I knew CR so twenty two one. Did you make life to one unless unless you come up with a fairly good solid reason why am i. Is that far out of nine relief. Chances are in America just knows that you know like I'm better is would react to information in very different ways like there's no there's no objectivity to a betting market it it depends on how interpret certain pieces of information and how you interpret a certain piece of information which is how we could end up on the opposite ends of the bet fair exchange for example I it could be pressing back while you're pressing lay. The vast majority of punters overall as much as we love this game particularly racing are going going to lose. Which is why I think you really need to celebrate the winning days? And that brings me to the psychology of bedding because it can be. It can be fickle game but it can be a very testing as well and no matter and you are like. I'm not just saying this or engaging in obsequious behavior because you're on the podcast you're rexel what you do so as Neil Jennings so hugh Taylor but everybody has a downswing those variants and there's no getting away from that but it's how you then deal with that psychological downswing. How how have you managed to handle those and adapted to them over the years? I take with with that kind of a first of all. If you're if you're you're you're confident in your own ability getting back again to raise Reading race sense at if you're very good without us a new. Have you always have your reason for back in your hearts and your confidence in your process within delusion. Ruined shouldn't affect should because you should notice these type of hearts is that I'm back in those. Get them wrong. Has It changed. You can always look into stuff like that has ended change. You don't just ignore at downstream but in general most mantras really massively massively undervalue de element of lock in in gambling. It doesn't mean because such an element of luck that you shouldn't try to become really good at it because at the end of the day would if somebody has will have good lookin' padlock but even when Dave good-looking Lonnie breaking even whereas when they lose whereas somebody to disgorge when typically look they win a lot more than they lose they bought so celebrate Detroit teams in on getting edged I think have an understanding of variance. I lose in ruins. Means that when when when it happens you can. You can do it better. Because you're certainly thinking that you're doing something that you're doing something very wrong and I do think you'd be amazed at still in the ruins. The chicken has that are within the norm. That people would totally not expect like I had see. I do shut-ins shut-ins website. Today that I get six or seven years and it's it's done really really well but nearly every year I will have people before. I will have at least a couple of people asking me how I did last year. I had severe results on the website. Why don't you look at all at seven like but they? They would be more concerned about how he did. Last year over sample size afford as rather than taken into account at six years premium service and six years of Cheltenham. They would still think that may dash four days is is more harm than predicted. This year's four days them than the whole sample still flake Dan elites into when they get a bad run they always seem to the reason for ordered in look winning quite often most of the time. It really is look. Am I did a of a Monte Carlo Sam here on that in excel on a kind a total different Edges on prices on Ronan phantasm times overnight sample and then you get how often you will win or lose within DOT TAMPA and. I think you'd be amazed at some of the ED results. People would find very hard to lease AIDS issue or say a random clunker long-term could have ruins like that Turkey would into normal give me an example Okay but how about say I think. My long-term and are aligned with the premium service is undefeated Compliant I think it's about eighty percent okay. The average prices Seven and a half to one okay. So that's like a very very good art Don't take you disagree to over six years. I've been pretty good record so if I was telling somebody they I would expect Say Fifty Bet Simone's. They would expect that I would win. Money excellent time but like for you would would in eighteen percentage advantage at odds of seven and a half. And how often do you think I would have a news. Amount would say six months at that age. So you're coming out. Taupin awful lot so maybe two months of the year. You haven't done well okay. So just plugging dollars in Dan. Ronan fifty fifty bets. Ten Thousand Times I come on top with dollars. Metrics it will come out on top seventy three percent of the time so that's more than one in four losing once which would be more than more than three on average tree a year. So stay steak and then fifty euros in each of those bets with fifty Ronin DOT COM has times. Your average profit is five hundred euro but the maximum in within all of those samples that I talk. The maximum profit was six thousand euro whereas the worst loss was two thousand. Five hundred. Total another randomness. There is no. It's basically soaking in eighteen percent edge at odds of seven and a half one and then randomly distributing the results around edged. I don't even want to know how you got the Monte Carlo model built on excel because it would probably make my brain explode but do you think that that then means that overall some punters and betters confuse look with skill. Well yeah because say that's over. A month of results at the best month was six thousand. A divorce was minus two thousand five hundred. That's what I was any difference in my judgement. Let's pretend this was a dice. Game Writer Might Georgians in Uttar Mathematica stock at that age. It wasn't something to deteriorate over time. Does that resulted. You would expect but that age whereas if you if you some job convincing somebody after continued lost two thousand five hundred fifty quid appoint are fifty grids. Your stake at seven and a half to win over fifty beds if you lost all of them which will happen and and did you did you. Were actually very successful. Doing what you do. I don't think it would have any chance of convincing somebody whereas that's actually. That's actually what can happen. Obviously it won't happen often but if you if you brought that to make is if you bought that I tend to stay a whole year of pets which would be about six hundred s with the same age and the same price. What chance you somebody resonating percent edge over over six hundred betsy year could have a losing your? It's coming up here. You have a win in year. Nine to five point two percent at a time so basically almost five percents at a time or one year in twenty you would expect to have a losing year and that's quite significant edge and a sample of six hundred s and again and the average profit is this very slightly because even run ten thousand five or ten thousand times is not an automatic. It is because it's only a simulation so it's not an exact results like the US format but your average profit is five title nine hundred ninety seven but would end Tampa ruin at ten thousand times. The biggest one the biggest problem was twenty thousand one hundred fifty whereas the worst loss was minus six thousand six hundred and again. You haven't done anything different. You are just as good for minus six thousand six hundred years you effort of those twenty one thousand year but like try Vincent somebody doctors. There is no difference in scales granted. It would be very rare that happens it can happen within an overall overall massively profitable audible secrets and declan for honest about it and this is not me by any means having a go so those social media but you can see somebody who's like hugely successful acute Taylor. It was a prophet year on year. And you too tips to go up and one that don't win and straightaway. There's abuse firm Tom Siegel pokey very successful improving edge abuse because they have a bad day. There's a loss of punters and I would have been one of these people who are lazy. Psychologically flawed I was definitely impulsive. When I was younger I used to be somebody who would react when big MAC would be in the bettering saying and the money's is coming for this horse now sevens into fours? Oh my God is gamble. Going on at J.P Horse. I've got to back this one and it took me a while reading different books. It's like David Lee priests books the leading edge against the odds to to learn how to adapt. But even even though you've gone through all of those statistics and you now know you have the data tobacco up your success success. And you're proven track record over the last seven years the fact that they're very into something that can kick in. You know that as long as you stick to what you're doing you're going to make a profit. polke would probably say something similar. Hugh Taylor would probably say something similar. And he'll be back on the show in the new year all being well but that being said though when it does go wrong and when you do his a dip and it's not a model it's real life. How do you manage that and then cope with those losing runs cope with that variance? Let's I'd I definitely could get tiger when when you run a tip and service because order people are dependent on you and it's not just it's not just does your own beds so like I've been. I think the last day I worked was a proper job. Anyway was the champion hurdle to Taza one so in my own baton for maybe twelve years before I ever did the tip and service. I would have seen a lot of news and runs. Yeah I know it happened a little analysis into what expected ones are so that. You're not surprised by them. So overall it is is honestly losing. What isn't too bad that it affects her your bank or your money to live off which is show them that you're staking correctly directly at? I was always pretty good at handling them. It didn't really affect me at all. I don't think they affect me in supposed to do a bit. You definitely would get straight at now but more Saudi that you feel you need to explain to people who maybe just just joints for two months certainly had divorced him once in a year or two years or whatever. I'm like there is a good few people will totally understand variance on their use. Would as well but then you would get an you feel like you have to justify yourself to them. When you know that it's it's me it's totally out of Control Lips on still doing everything right but the results are gone against Shit like on on your order by Doing the same thing. I definitely would reduce stamp process of logically analyzed comedy your conclusions on you know that or go to tune us. It doesn't necessarily mean you would blindly keep following nine guilders. I'd worked to pass because with nearly every especially Ashley if it's based on any consistent with just a data site attains the America will eventually catcher push on your age would go so you have to. You have to be aware of that. It can happen to change teams but like I've been changing still for eighteen years and I noticed I noted I have an edge America so if I'm certainly news and I and I looked at it and there's no logical reason at a lot of time he can tell anyway. A good thing to do I think would be a prices. You're back in horses ash to the better as I say you have. Once I had the four Louis is forty-two loses enrolled at the end of the month is a notice. It's Christmas. It's Christmas at the end of December and eh end of November on it. When you're when you're back in harsh odds of around ten It's actually not that big of a price for something like that to happen. That'd be pretty standard. Siamese basically like you're back in time to be a loser not count Juraj obviously puts us at When also like that if you if you compare your odds and you normally beasts say bet be by twelve percents at I actually did dusk as I descend members an email at the end of of the moment and I think at the end of November by average beat Bat trapezes launch was about twelve and a half percent thirteen percent in November it was actually fifteen percent spite the fact that we had a crop crop months? Unlike we also had for wieners. I think was eight or nine seconds and eight or nine tards like straight away. It's pretty obvious was what went against the fact that you're distribution of winners versus basis was so skewed against the winners and versus what the norm would be and also America actually thinks your tips for November. Were better than the average of six years. Things like that can give give credence when you're trying to explain it to people but can also set your mind at ease that it isn't something else that may be change side definitely thinks that whereas if you suddenly seemed as you didn't beat at Becker. St At all over sixty bets Sample nature minus two percent against any might want to start looking at looking a little April into the reason. Why you're getting so many drifters or or something like that? Like you were talking about altering and realizing when it's something that you've been doing that has been successful and the market is now cupped onto us. Can you give me an example of something that recently something that was very profitable for you but the market is now kept on and it's not necessarily as as valuable to you anymore and you had to change and because I tried to use a bit of everything like I will wash races for horses said I tanks would be under back the next day and what you think would be under bad. I suppose is in a way got from experienced appearance. Data Analysis. Like say I. I'm pretty good at spot analysis that want to step up in trip and sometimes it's really obvious I won't court one at Emily. Track her in that but sometimes it isn't and it might be. That could be an alleged at a tank would probably lasts like section action of times like Simon Relevance was. I think the first person to write about using a formative for upgrade horses for a a abroad time versus the closing stages of the race. So say a race was run faster than average would be maybe finished speed of one hundred ten percents Stewart going faster for to finally say to send the race as a whole are likewise it goes it would be different for different tracks. Boats US I think coming up. At an upgrade figure at ason add on which upgraded harsher Rayson A kind of a fair result adding something like daas ask would have had far more value as it still has the exact same Value as a race rate in But for actually blindly back ourselves dash were MAC typical bit last time out whereas you might have made money five years ago. I don't think you what now de Marzio ours is what tend to be the radio obvious over Bash but you can still use section times and especially to buy guns on the races which purpose of You would be Eskimo put far more sophisticated algorithms to come up with a fair result. We now have confirmed times than just eh one split thing so it gets what I suppose the the high level located where it was just an okay I take one team dot will eventually get over that so many more ways that you can go deeper and deeper into debt again. I always think that the more information becomes available. The the better escape out on Forbe's so you just have a bit deeper and come up with the one obvious. Everything obvious kind of eventually gets has over time. Figures were sloppy bash. If are really good time figure versus time to get mark last time. I wish you could blindly back in the race providing the condition for seminar or whatever something like that again now I think Americans pretty much account Overall America will eventually account for most tanks. Which is why I think rider using Justin? I blindly back on it. I think you should have an angle to give you a reason to look at a horse and Dan. You still use all of your order skills decide whether the price is right on the day that way. Your skin's are better than America's your skills are like. Stay better America's Andy and you can always be able to to make a profit. What's your take on stride analysis in his arsenal? It's not something I am. I analyze data myself. No bread Simon Roldan says wrote on. I find it interesting. I definitely think there's use in to do. We need the data. So you would need the data image Saldivar Mash and signs analyze it. I'm not sure what Simon has. I have looked for yet because I haven't had time to do it. But if I could get my hands on I would definitely look look into a deeper because again. It's like I said earlier. It's it's information and you could analyze defined it has no us and then find it is disregarded but if you can find any US law nutro today the box winger coming up with a with a price in are you considered you think visually it looks like ours may want Florida or a shorter stride. Analysis could have pugh eater back that oprah contradict Which again is you can account for dinner price? I know sometimes you can feel ended control too. Many things in it's hard to Komo put woulda how come at six to one dollars two times when he is considered to go on. The trip had lasted off a break. It gets trainers non-farm and it just it can joe blow your head a bit. I think we are analyzing farm. You should possibly try and break things down down into into parrots unless the mall separately at the giant back on Ran Bad last Has has a poor draw. This time at ground is instead of putting the make some traffic moped price. I if say you can't what price would it have been a bad run last time. He said he will flight to say well. Okay so ran crap. was there a reason for ED relatives. Today's race on it might be. Yeah I have a pretty good excuse for it was flyweights open strong pace. Define the debate. It was nearly entirely predictable. Actually only knock it out to treat one and that's only because the fact that it happened time that it might happen again whereas if it had no excuse might say what makes a day to day because maybe it's you so you just Daniel account for this at at As cordray today C. A.. Mike's able to draw in general. Be a twenty five percent. Disadvantage Copier treats won't Daniel account for different ground which might be a positive or negative and you might have fifteen hundred teams to account for but I find it if you come up with that. A generalized realized price. I Dan all the parts. I think it's kind of newsy based on like based here in or something like that. It's much easier Komo quote an end result. I suppose you're happy to estimate ours chance a just before everybody loses their minds. I should point out that you were saying your last real job was two thousand one Cheltenham which of course was canceled due to disease. So we'll say two thousand and two Cheltenham or two thousand children at one or the other. Secondly TRAINA quotes Wisconsin buzzer footnote disease. That was when he was robbed forth. Awesome are you sure. Yeah when was the last day it was today's tobacco's pulled up on the champion hurdle to the to the wall it. And because I I was I was working with racehorses for six or seven years in Dermot weld zones it was over a modular storage over winter break ins and I used to tell them how it used Mitchell. School at when Cheltenham was on identity. Then I go in Dot Martin chests and it'd happened before so I knew what it was only collapsed. Jesus that I wrote I wrote at one horse anyway like and it was like they didn't I believe or and I went out there and I never worked again you road I first of all. I didn't even know that you used to write out or is this fascinating piece information with you. wrote out a horse with the collapse loan yet not various levels of clap zone in that it can be it. Could collapse the hallway which would be very serious. Yeah lots of certain percentage like so yeah I rented doctrine it was around to talk or or something anyone does no pretty ringing and I make my own way. Obviously into into place you. He wanted to see Moscow flyers article it's directly and pulled up at the champion hurdle. Far too important then sitting in a hospital little bit as an asthmatic. I can feel your pain. put a collapsed lung. would be would be much more serious than it was two thousand and two goodman but it's it's fine the fact that you then worked with horses leads nicely into this question. Trainer quotes and jockey quotes an owner quotes. I do like interviewing trainers and jockeys alkies and and there are certain ones who I very much enjoy talking to a think that there are people like Aidan. O'Brien John Gosden in Paul Nicholls. Willie mullins they. And that's just to sample size. A few day really understand the the fact fact that the media is very important. And it's a connection to the fans and so they can be quite open but then there are others who are quite closed off and I can understand why they would be but doc you take trainer quotes into account or Jackie Coats into account. When you're deciding on bass or do you tend to stay away from all of that and when it comes to race course gossip like somebody grabbing you? By the elbow saying the bumper no means in the bumper can't be eaten pigeons on the gallops. Recently broadcast do tend to ignore all of that stuff. I think in most days yes. There are times when the trainer coke abused say at especially in a garage where you get one handling of Hasn't ruined since since last year at ut Linke's for whatever reason you're interested in a minute race get in a quick quote to see. Was He injured. I see it is going to need the rule and can be used and in general I like information I thought is again something to Japan. Posh the trainer says it's not fit. What TRANSA- disarray? But like he says that about everything after not trainer as well Davis tend. You can use the information. Why dogs really need us for? Is Somebody say his today. or or back this because That's pretty much all infected has like and I'd like to know the reasons why they found that most of the time it could be just okay or the trainers. In general. I wouldn't rate as far. Manolis does a few exceptions to the real likewise jockeys. Most of them are useless. Really like even here in talking after race insane the Horse Creek and treat Williams like talking utter nonsense like actual data Times it just saw down less than the other ones. So mostly I wouldn't need or want narrator opinion all that much at dissolves the exceptions like for instance Ruby. Walsh is is a very good analyzing race and he. He would often say something that you wouldn't have talked about horace whereas most was jockeys Keisha aftercare at it's really it's limited use in after a member. They're very biased like they're doing an interview after race. They're not going to come out and say I could have won ten. Let's just go over half land after you know because it's under best interest to say that the lesser trying to sell it or something like that interest interest to judge rate that way votes in Genoa undecideds for trainers like. Have you ever disappoint that. They didn't have an excuse for most posted a time. The excuse his boat is I think you have to make their own minds. Golan would be a good one. Actually how many times as a trainer said harsh doesn't go on certain ground go far book absolutely totally countries totally refutes it or season laced absolutely or a season later it turns out that that horses versus then thriving on let's say gets beaten horse gets beaten ground and the trainer says Oh going ensues them today yet. SEASON LASER BOLTS UP Open. Good stuff ground. I think it would be better off than almost what this aid and listen to everyday and it would be. Maybe supporters could definitely even like ed in January. Say people you meet I like Rest are playing golf. Stare from years ago signed the club and even the Italian job isn't are interested. They didn't say like Abeche Dan if you tell them. Do you think arsenal best. They kind of want to know. Oh yeah he's a fancied like our trainer did they. Would they would back with much more confidence. If the trainer calling me than if I tell them that I just spent second five hundred hours analyzing data and criminal reasons why this house would be under bash. That won't oppress them which at all More confidence in the in the Badge Jockey Tolimir the owner the owner surrender. It's like I think that's definitely dyers people more so it seems to be knocked into from a young age that no more but inside information which I think is a batting not for for racing because it stops. I think a lot of people getting into it. Because they think that said it's coca when it's not really anywhere near as bad as a lot of outsiders to send me outsiders with it's nowhere near as bad as as a lot of voters think and you've just nailed it. They're like the the amount of friends I have. Who have zero interest in horseracing? Not for a coffee with friends and and they're saying to me. Yeah but like how do you know the Horse is GonNa wins wins like I don't I just think it's going to win. But like has the trainer as trainer told them because they all know. Don't there's no they don't and you can even even like us. The example of new approach against Henry the navigator an movable object against them unstoppable force. Jim Bolger's team were absolutely adamant they. We're going to crush Henry that avid gator in the rematch. In the two thousand guineas at the Curragh and the volleyball team were absolutely convinced that they were GonNa Crush Henry. The navigator wind and one which resulted resulted in new approach going up in trip for the Darby which he then one and caused that whole CA- fossil because Jim Bolger was saying more than Darby. And we're going to go for the Irish one. Actually back Optima I think seventy on Bedford. Straight after bloggers at he wasn't running not as superb superb and it it is a it is a good example of why ignore them. What the trainer Jockey said when logic dictates different my reason for back in your clogged was the I taught Randall? Darby very chance and I couldn't see Sheikh Muhammad refusing to win the Derby so I taught he's nearly fifty fifty two Ronin despite reporter said because every bit of sense says y'all would want to ruin a niche and it's the same as when a trainer says a horse won't ruin because he doesn't like the ground or I'm worried about the ground today. I knew look at his farm and like I would use time farm eggos Raise passes and I would use Derek Cohen description over sadie officials. Because I think it's more accurate. Say you seem to horses. Best Ruin was on. What time uncalled soft ground? But yet you have the chain or saying needs Boscombe like you know. He's talking troops for combat side. But the general the public will pay a good bit of credence to his comments on so there would be a situation where you could have an angle into a race because you know what the you know in our snow. It's fast one when you make up six to another reason he's on it's because able to pay too much to what the trainer said. I quite we. We made a point about a race at newmarket over the summer. It was a maiden where Sir Michael Stoute and John Gosden both entered fairly highly touted newcomers and they were both back to defeat was out of the question. Was the Gosden Horse Kim One but like the stout team must have been going away since going. How the hell did we get beaten? There was just two very good maidens that happened to clash in the same race and both teams very much fancied them I remember Nichols is last year really talking clan to sogo for the fair chase like being to the almost dismissive of everything else. Obviously he didn't win that predicament. Commit and when the King George so his faith in the horse was rewarded and that stuck with me how confident he was about him in the Bedford Chase and the fact that he was still talking about for the king. George like there can be times. We've made the observation on the show before about horses who get backed from big stables in big races cases where the market move does not seem to make sense in terms of form like declaration of war going on at six two four eleven eight for the lockinge stakes didn't make sense what's he got beaten but he was a ten to one shot for the Queen. Late money came in. I think you went off to to any one. It turned out he was a multiple group one winner for for the Kumo team. They knew something that we didn't we see that what Willie mullins as well. I quite like it when you read stable tours and I think there are certain trainers who it can be very valuable to read quotes from and then keep that in your arsenal for later in the in the season but at the same time I completely take your point that you would be much more confident going with your own opinion and that also there can be just a lot of nonsense stoked I suppose it goes back to times bad light. Obviously you get to know all of the trainers and when they say it is what they really mean is this are confident and knock. Confident generally are like Britain. Everything was going to win with the least intimate details Taylor Redan. Yeah you find you at a readings day tours but for me for the time it will take to do that. I think my time would be much better off. Spent doing some different. So what would be your main piece of advice then to find podcast listeners. Who want to brush up on their patching and be a little bit more confident and stronger when placing it best? Whether it's a Saturday or a mid week race what would be your main piece piece of advice. I think you should try and improve on everything. Definitely improve your race reading skills use sections use every bit a cab not try and earn what he does me too disheartened his chances and Duda analysis as well L.. Like obviously not everyone is going to do it if somebody wants to be successful but there's three different ways into a race you could do. Trend Analysis has days. But what I find Trans Analysis analysis people use wieners likewise looking at an angle for say Bala trainer does On the only use his past winners mostly with small sample sizes using faces or senate drives beaten would be a much better predictor a future winners than using the past cleaners. If you're not I mean in that just don't just too much noise in the sound. PALUMBO increase misuse. More Didata. What you are doing to US places? It's better at definitely beer. Used in January trans at least use pretend to drive in which a concept spot in something that actually is a rather than is just nice is the biggest fault which trends that you can just manipulate them to conform. Confirm Your own pre existing hypothesis statistics general. In other words you can always use. You can always nearly practitioner Schnur data in a in a way that can prove your clients. If you know what I made by League start at on this is like somebody election elections of a name that were going on there in December Mosad. Big What what was one of the things. He said that somebody punched somebody and not happen at all. You might walk into his finger. Oh expressed all over the place and it's Kinda the same without analysis. You can come up with a you can come up with. Don't say what you wanted to say so many an expert at data analysis was fought. The mistake you make. But that won't matter because ninety nine percent of the people won't Daniela Achieved dollar which was to influence. Whatever you wanted to insurance am I think yeah? You could definitely misuse have to Iran license looking out to do it properly. I definitely your Profitable angles are building a model you. Can you have to use the dot. What in in a correct type of way that you're not just filtering used a bit that would give you the answer? Did you want and I think whatever you have to use your head. I think the biggest the biggest thing for anyone who wants to make money or limit their losses. They have to have to ask themselves why. And even say. Don't come back to data analysis if you. I know a lot like a red still on modern sportscenter would pay from statistic. Background tries to model it say stockard anything into model that has at say has a confidence. says it significant which is normally to US ninety five percent the sale. Would that means that significant soda for goes model but like if it doesn't make any sense the chances of a repeat into future. I don't care how it wasn't. The vast is very unlikely like say you're looking at a certain track and five does really out on your walk on a blinding backstop flavored. The trick just because over the last ten years at a significant profit but even though you look at for installed foreign sake Sunday don't have anywhere near December. It doesn't make any sense it shouldn't you should. You should always look for something to make sense before you use it in the future not goes with I think no matter. Whoa I angle you look in? You have to have an edge to make money but no matter what age you have to solely based on a number. It should definitely make sensitive before you should go ahead with it. How do you feel about multiple bits? I don't do them because I don't really have any A. Ah Okay accounts and you would obviously need a bookie camp. Also another reason not to do it would be you. Were generally not get. If you're you have two horses does not wrong with them. I was always a theory. That is if you're doing most of the punter because you're multiplying your negative edge over a series of bats rather postpone at what if you have a positive edge. There's no reason not to do most so in other words if you have one hundred sixty four and getting to one on at another one seven two four until one doing a multiple. It's best does not because you're multiplying a positive edge but at the same time. Can you get two to one with the same bulky on go hawks whereas if you're backing obscenely can so that would be an issue at odds put them in that you would often end up taking under the odds on on some of the the multi router Nikki by Kemal At the best price in all of them and it kind of goes without saying that because of your success. You've been clamped so it's better exchanger. Using yeah yeah and like even like I have members agreements. Now I do. Has I think it's run just over six years. My premium service and I do. ADS ADDS members with me from right at the very start but like obviously sometimes you will get a member. You'll have a bad month's they won't stick around but in January By Mile reason most people even eighty million. Talia is because they can't get on anymore. They've lost a few accounts and they just kinda guess they just don't have accounts to get the beds John while I suppose I'm I making money and then I have on my members back in ours is that's my way of making profit. Threes people that do with themselves that. I've been betting twenty years losing money Sony. Stop breaking even at. That's fine and suddenly. They got good enough to finally make money after devoting their lives to actually get out of the neater accounts. Get close like I think. That's I think it's very wrong. Like shameful I. Yeah I don't expect bookmakers to change our made to change but I do think they should probably have to change. Because with the way they advertise. It's Unin nearly liquid. Adt Com Takizawa achievers. DETROITERS is a long way from Dash. And like I say a bank does give a loan to abide by credit risk for developing a boat makers is they advertising away. It says we're going to one Komen have a bet widows like everything about dramatizing suggests suggests it's a game between you and damn except for you're not late again. He's running good and that's something that we've covered on the podcasts on numerous numerous and countless occasions. And it's actually just something that really annoys me. It's something that's actually quite depressing. Really because what's the guy I don't see how they couldn't s- to almost just as well stay may be improved their standards odds component and then there will be more confident than Terrell prices. And then like a bookmaker is if you looked a bookmaker in Oxford dictionary. What would it say would not not say like making a book which is traditionally back in the day bookmakers? The name was calling because they made both and they were nearly Radin taking an opinion to a more balanced Jason today token with money on everything that made a profit. No matter which is won't which would mean us and people like the sharp just just your odds to make them more accurate like I haven't tried to get a vote maker in a long time it's an interest in any case When you're ruining Tippin hip in service you kind of you couldn't even if I could get a bookmaker a you couldn't go on put talented before extending the tipped everyone else because probably the reason you're getting on bookmaker abused American Day would put the price afterwards so he couldn't do that anyway so it's not something I tried but I wouldn't have accounts with any of the there's obviously new bookmakers coming out with all the time man and I haven't even tried to open account with them because the story I don't get it I and all I get better and the bookmakers would maybe people packers they would still make a Lotta money? They might have to Marley not marley because they don't care and the way the way it's going now in that you noted there is more punishments Ferdinand lately exploiting people Problem gambling that. We're seeing the money and stuff like that. The fact that that that is happening you will take effect of that would be eventually. It might become totally unacceptable. Referred him to to a targets That like really haven't got a clue what they're doing when wetter. It doesn't really matter. How are if it's their own money or not but you're you're still exploiting Bateman array if that's your only focus on anyone that has to doesn't get it that on I? I think may become necessary to do. They would be forced into treating everyone to say in other words if they lay. Joe bloggs granted. Five to one day. After Lamia gratified to one roller who are basically not really IRAS losers. Well let's seems perfectly only fair to me and I don't see why the gambling regulator hasn't stepped in to enforce yet but we shall see what the New Year brings with that in mind as we approach twenty twenty. What's your New Year's resolution regarding betting or do you even have one and I don't think I would change agenda-setting like that I would certainly do any different debt? I'm always looking at different different different ways to improve because I know you mentioned to me off. Air The heidrick Harrington at changing the swing when he was winning but and then everyone is suddenly criticizes them a cause. Why did he change? What works but project never got opposition at first base? If he didn't change his swing all the time he met with his swing every year for every year that he was a a golfer and he got better and better and better than Sydney people criticize the time when it didn't work and defended hard to get back to the same never but like he would have never got that Lebanon the first pace it. He wasn't always striving to get better. I'm doing the same thing. Israeli striving to get better. So I'd be a big advocate of not changing anything for the sake of it like say a losing. This is is more ninety note but you always have have to look at it to see. Is it look. Is there another raise the secret. Can you improve. I think Stanton sailors in everything is going backwards so I think think I just keep doing us. Oh yes always looking to improve and it's kind of like what you were saying when when you're talking to me like you making ninety nine percent is still fuel already knew what might be doing percent or somebody says something. Actually I hadn't thought up and so listening to Other people lost a lot of Gloss over Ya not had no doubt no doubt but the team they don't know is you know it's it's improving your overall wrong game. Yeah no it's it's when you speak to one other conversation with Chris Cook royds yourself. Jane Mongan we may very well have have the same view. But you could say something that just I hadn't looked at or I hadn't seen it that way or it hadn't occurred to me and I always come away from conversation feeling like I know something more about a particular subject or or that I feel something I feel. I know something more about a horse. It could be a small thing but it's going to be a contributing factor to the rest of the season in my head and I always feel as though that's that's important because you constantly have to strive to to make make yourself better particularly in this game when it's an evolving game and and and very fast paced game as well learn bet wins the sites. What is the general sign up system? I have a generally. I have a monthly option which is subscription pay A. Renews. Cancel anytime you want. I do have a new member. Also for Dash which is about twenty five percent. Starting which is about I twenty five percent off and then I have a a profit target option which is as yet giant. Pay A fee and is your membership lasts until we make eighty points prophet and the Prophet is on the actual laws. It's done on the price five minutes after I send Abeche so it gives everyone a chance to get on at least match the official Intrude they could. If you're quick you should really be out to be on Yahoo accounts because it doesn't deal known as tall as a my websites. Kevin said best odds guaranteed which would add a few percent onto your your long term profit if you if you did it so I think it's. It's very fair and their two main ways. I I have a shuttle tip site as well. This is just four days and I do various festival packages as as well that'd be just based on whatever it is true for days there was actually one pint. I wanted to make when we were talking about alleged different ways to to maybe get one. I think it sensible to when you're trying to come up with an edge and this is more related to any sport try be trying beat the market. That's reduce suitable street career. I bet if you WANNA have a bet and Bank of Italian euro which is quite small. You're not going to be betting big stakes or it'd be shouldn't be so you don't need to try and beat the say you're betting on soccer you don't need to try and beat the premiership arch like the reason that all top premature market is littered with. It's really big ganders. Who have access to best concert of Collagen programmers in million-pound data jetson? They're the ones that are there Abedin instead markets on very very accurate Monday time. That's goes off. Unbeaten them very small percentage is very erred. And you've got to have euro's it's best. Why why are you trying to be America? The reason they're trying to beat is because they can get millions on judo. You're not putting on minutes. So why don't you bet on division tree or something like that you you could easily get onto hundred feedback that you should be having on. You would find at your age. It'd be much much. Bigger than cyclopes to the premiership would be that I would go across horse race in a few kinds. If you're you're you're a bank is quite small you don't need to be able to cash and thousands on nerdy awesome Bedford so try beaten it in the morning when you could maybe trip fivers and ten becton you would find your be. It'd be much easier. beat the market in the morning that it will a couple of minutes before the off or maybe focus on a different market like the pace markets. So everybody should be suitable. There's no point in trying to be America this. You're not going to be willing to bet on in dot mark. You're not going to be you. Don't need to pay markets to bet size. You'll be putting on trying to be an easier mark so take pick America that would be more suitable to. The veteran is a friend of Mine James Fennel. WHO's a pro punter appropriate or I should say and he specializes in the Champions League? Europa League and Bundy's leader because he feels there's no point in trying to get stuck into the premier league because the Asian market just swamps it. And you've got the likes of Tony Bloom and other SUV. Who can do exactly as as you've outlined and when you talk about sticking plans and you're betting bank how how important is that and something that the Kelly criterion for example which is mentioned by a loss of pro punchers? You're a believer in that. Aren't you yeah I would add. I do variation of it inherits. Kelly criterion is really at your age. You're betting dying on the odds are two decides. How much of your bank at stake? But the problem with it is that calculate your age. Do you calculate different edge for every batch or did you say well on average might age eighty percents go with that forever. I think gone with that forever Only back arses you take would meet. That criteria would be better than retired. Because I just think recalculate your age for every arse you will overestimate hugely and end up. Staking Tim which at optimal it is automatically. It's optimal if you know your edge problem with sports spends you don't know for your age and most people would probably be overestimated in other words. David Lokesh pass results are CONINE GALLON CEO. I designed may thirty percent in the past so therefore I bash. What attorney present edge into the Kelly Kaik air? I wouldn't recommend your doctor. Edge might be a ten percent or fifteen but had very unlikely. Be One that you had done by backseat and apostles. Might be no wage at all. But I'm saying no matter out of what you come up at our. You should always a little bit conservative. witcher edge and then used the Kelly criterion because it is better than like there's people that were Bet Levin stakes at the same Anita money shots at fifty to one shot but it's a very suboptimal way of using your Bank uh-huh If your steak is correct fifty to one if you had a twenty percent edge folks no appreciate. Having a twenty percent age. Eighteen warning shot would be harder but even if it was Asan twenty fifty and should you should optimally for maximum bankrolled. He's taken it up more on the fifteen percent aged twenty percent age. Sixty one. So if you're if you're you have the right state for one it'd be the wrong state for and so I definitely don't think that's the way to go. But yet you would have had a criterion is about a medically sound Alan. If you know your edge which you don't do so I would say have a conservative estimate garage even over the last six years Batu Eh twenty percent edge. You might be better off so can fifteen percent Later would you recommend at the end of the month. The doing what you do going back over the betsy placed looking at the reason as to why and how you've done that month and if it hasn't gone wealthy the accepting that fact but if you've been backing horses that have gone off considerably shorter on the day or if you just a little bit unlucky as we talked about with various earlier on not I know you're on the right track and keep going with that. Yeah I definitely. Did you think you should but I wouldn't. That wouldn't be too results faced when you're doing because like a month is obviously a small sample so win lose so much It wouldn't be good to sail one this month. Most been doing something right kind of like what we talked about in the Monte Carlo Sama Looking IRAS on Mattessich. Check second how you did against the Bedford. Pay Guide whether you're on the right track or you're doing some differently than normal uneven even looking at parsis you don't back. I as far as he can actually teach it to be better rush. Picking bests like say you're looking at a race or even if you do it doesn't really matter. I'm Harris gets back into Florida. One from twelve to fifteen minutes devoted race I would often look at us and see was there. was there something into farm. Could've said the harsh should be four to five to one. So did you maybe Gets this wrong. And it's only at the offset the money comes like sometimes it would be dash yet today's day and it's from a Goblin yard and does not really really did you can predict it up beforehand but a lot of time are drifting either one you back. They're getting back up and bats. If you actually it's it's something that you didn't splash when you're initially control race that you can maybe train yourself for the future to pay more attention to looking at got picked by the farm analysts so even just seem what wait America wins and trying to figure out why it went and improve your overall analysis analysis. So as we wrap this up. What is the one key piece of advice? The final Furlong podcast listeners. As we we head in towards the New Year Cheltenham New Year's day we still have the festive racing going on but the key piece of advice from Deck Lamar as we approach twenty twenty. I think it's just reaction but it's no matter whether your goal is to actually make a profit from baton Limited office obviously this flint time performed back but you can still image losses even if one bash at his because you can improve your analysis on the first base making fun taste better like if you improve your race ratings goes but you have to learn but you have to think to yourself. You don't think to yourself you won't be able to beat the Marrakech served get better. Not Listen to it. And you have to. You have to dafter no Weiner based in about it's always Oscars have. Why am I right? Racket is wrong. And if he can't answer batch it's more likely than not you're actually one that's wrong and I think that's a for every batch. Local fire wrong with data will actually stop you. Maybe license more stupid because we ask yourself that question when you realize you're gonNA spend a Nas back into the ground is wrong or trip is wrong in America. Housing Account Detroit Threes in your tracker is not really valid today. Because you wanted did it when it ran on soft ground not second traction. This offset echoed like so. I always ask that question. Unable to improve. Everyone's I bet there's a no share on the other is destructive for horse back on a low way over three months plus and soft ground next time so that means do exactly that don't be backing the voice over two mile four just because it's entered and you get excited at the notification take full back your own the advice and back what you do learn bet win. Dot Com is the name of the site as we said it's hugely successful. The festive offer offer is available. Now and of course it'd be plenty of offers joined. 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Simon Gillespie, Bradford Parkinson and Hugo Fruehauf, Pelin Opcin

Monocle 24: The Monocle Weekly

56:46 min | 1 year ago

Simon Gillespie, Bradford Parkinson and Hugo Fruehauf, Pelin Opcin

"Hello and welcome to the monocle weekly and monocle twenty four with me. Robert Bound. And Fernando Alonzo Pacheco on today's show. We'll be visiting painting conservation. Simon Simon Gillespie for a poke around his studio there will be masters there will be discussing the creation of one of the world's most essential pieces of tech. GPS with it's very invent went and we'll be hearing from pelling option director of London's Venerable Jazz Festival. That is all coming up. Plus Monica Ben Ryan will be looking ahead to next week's news. I'm enjoying some music to. That's right here on the monocle. Weekly on monocle twenty four Lovely to be sharing the tropical studio with you. You know that I'm loving this right film listeners. In I think people at home know that you astonished gentleman and the man who quite likes allowed color I do I do and they've just come back from holden. Brazil I think he puerto benefit back with you. Talk US through the shirt. I love it. It's kind of a lemon tree. Free shirt with like big prints Zakim us. I mean it's from the summer collection. I like wearing similar collections in winter. That's my I don't like winter honest. I'm I'm kind of strip off but I'm I'm very navy. Enhance your cheering run up. But by the way I was in my hometown Paul of course it's almost similar there but to be honest this was quite cloudy. Rainy was about twenty degrees. It wasn't really tropical paradise. I did enjoy going home though. Okay so what happens when you go home for very short manager time is very for away. What's wet weather funds pile of family and all the rest of it? But what can people do because people might be thinking booking holidays. They think Brazil is a place of constant and I mean there is a rain forest. People should not be surprised. Perhaps there's lots of rain and what what does it. What does the local doing some Palo Rainy Day? You know what I mean if it's raining the best place to be in Brazil some Polo actually because at least to have good restaurants shops to go especially good restaurants after save because I was there to see my family. I mean of course. Amazing stake amazing Brad. There's a restaurant dairy. The listeners are listening coping. Sent is just brilliant caffeine coming sent. I mean there's an outside area that challenge. Thank you next week. I'm off had an okay. We I've been a bit throaty. I was in the Sick Bay. I was working monocled. Black Heat Bureau For a couple of days beginning this week but all is fine and Dandy and thanks for telling the air on up. I think mainly Evans is in charge of the is in charge of everything else on this program behind it because it is a tropical. What thirty six degrees in half as you think probably sweating or or a little bit of Austrailia? Exactly it's a hint to our next guest. I believe it's his inaugural news looking. Let's get Ben Ryland in the studio Oh we It's heartbreaking conditioned peaceful song. Ben Ryland. Who else could it be? Welcome to the program. I'll thank you very much. What a beautiful awesome to welcome into into the studio? I do appreciate that. Do you know that song is about a rat. Show that I wanted to say this when you were in the studio. Rather than we turned on the microphones before the. I'm sure that song is about Michael. Jackson Pat Child. It has been run by me before so I will write-in I tin. We can safely say but it doesn't make any difference. It's wonderful piece of work. It's a beautiful piece of work. Probably beautiful rat as well. Okay how long we slide down that slithery tat if that rush or you end up at next week's news what's IT GONNA be in Australia. My homeland this being this big survey. That's been happening the ABC. We have been asking everyone a personal questions. I must say it's an anonymous survey. Thank goodness I took it a little bit earlier and the idea that you have read the idea of the surveys to determine what the morten Australian character is now. What is the Australian character? I don't really know as an Australian. I know what people mean when they say. Oh that's a strategy Australian. You know it's one of the deepest insult you can get usually leveled at at politicians for doing something. That's not really unrestrainable. How'd you laying or I for being someone or maybe someone came up with an idea like a carbon tax or something and then someone might say all that Julia Gillard? She's on Australian. I write charging. So this is the idea Austrailia nurse is it still that kind of old fashioned slightly match show it straight white and match. Oh absolutely I mean absolutely if anyone his seen in a typical Australian Movie Crocodile Dundee the castle. I mean this is the old fashioned notion of what it means to be. Australian yeah and cricket cricket found I kind of miss the days of Hughes outside outside the glass of wine with him. If he's one story for another day. Oh Matt. What's the most Australian about you? Because I know you don't like the questions in the survey and I still don't actually know. What is the most Australian thing about me? It's not even my accent because I do get a lot of Australians asking me where I'm from this is what's so perplexing. Because I think the coach so young you can speak to a lot of older Australians and they will say this is what it was like in the good old days but then you speak to young Australians and they have a completely different perspective on what the Australian character is and we even have different ways of talking and even accents have changed over time. Go to metropolitan accent and then a rural accent and the rule accent sometimes can be a little bit Catherine Kim time we fluent fluent so can you give us a couple of questions from the survey couple of a couple of the more Pointed questions for Fan I. I've got my findings. He the Questions you'll have to take the survey yourself will add that eighty is open to anyone might skew the results start taking it all over the world the Brazilians in Brits. Yeah so it turns out that I'm I'm more of a people person because I prefer to spend time with actual friends rather than my pets. So that's probably good news for me. I'm less familiar with my neighbors than most Ozzy's apparently the old Australia's obsessed with the neighbors or is it just English paper says namely Ability Soap opera ever pay me. I was quite honest and said I don't actually know the name of any of my neighbors. I've never met them. Maybe that's a bit sad. I do live in an apartment building. But then there's an the next five hundred miles away of course it down the dusty road expecting so you'll becoming less Australia. Okay anything all you have is now. I'm becoming more British which I suppose. Maybe that's a good thing bobby. AWW MUSIC JUDGE I'll be straight instead of all stripes clan. Thanks Robin so often Monday. It must be Sunday. We're actually just skipping over into Friday now. Okay because on Friday. We're in for a bit of a trait eve. You like me a fan of shall we say slightly on fashionable music. Zik Robbie Williams is going to be dropping. Chris believe it or not is his first Christmas album ever which did surprise me. I thought he would have jumped in in that bucket by now but no. It's a mixture of covers there. If you original tracks on there there is one called Rudolph which has a bit of a sample from Carol of the bells in it so it is quite nice rested advantages to feel familiar whilst also being a brand new song. And you've got to hand it to Robbie he I think there was a little bit of a phase where he was trying very very desperately relief to hang onto the old days when he was a real big mega pulp style. Sort of one of the last popstars as opposed we had before online took over and and sort of ruins the notion ocean in some ways. Of what a mega popstar really is but he does seem to have matured with his fans. He knows exactly. Who's buying records where he the executive years ago said Roby's popular with the Greenwich girlies Ngeze? That's who he's music and that's still true now is he's boom pop star. I think it's going to sell well. Robbie Williams in Christmas sounds like a good idea thousand eighteen. Well I mean Fernanda in his own words says he's hoping to knock Michael boob layoffs perch nothing wrong with boob lay but it's about time right. Do Miss his route box face. Though it was my one of my favorites was a bit of a flop. I know anyone misses that route books. Face I his imperial the period of his first couple of albums. Great all songs on it with good. He was cheeky but I kind of like him as he's got old he's still handsome managed age pretty well as you said when you were prepping us up for your topics. I'm amazed that he hasn't done a Christmas album before it seems absolutely his natural habitats. Crooner album has made he youth with them actually record which is pretty good. Yeah Yeah it's good stuff cheese. Come on most. He could almost credited him with bringing back. This idea of crooners albums boob boobs might actually owe a lot of his career to rub stepping up first and doing that swing when you're winning album old as years ago. Yeah exactly then. What a wonderful maiden voyage John? HMS News look ahead we sound the focal. Absolutely thank you Ben. You're listening to the Monaco weekly and in a moment to be hearing from Simon Glaspie For over forty years painting. Gillespie his plied his trade and some of the world's most important artworks from Masters to upstart geniuses. His canvases canvases all of them. He welcomed Monaco's Augustine Macharia to his central London studio amongst extraordinary area of artwork. From Caravaggio two calls does he explained where Patina ends and dirt begins. And just what is Li- getting your hands on the world's greatest paintings I am signing Leslie. I've been restoring paintings for forty. Years is not over that time I built up the most extraordinary collection of collectors and people who are interested in buying works. And so we advise. And then we normally get involved in conserving and restoring to different things and yeah surrounded by all sorts of as we sit here was surrounded with contemporary works and then behind us a tia pillow and Caravaggio in the other room down there and we have a mini museum. My Insurance Insurance Company through foot sometimes when I signed him up as you say you've been at it for forty years. That's enough time to have seen. The art landscape changed quite considerably. I imagine that when you started the business was largely centered around more classical works and and obviously now in the in the engines. Who Will we've seen a cause which may be the loveliest painting hair but is still quite remarkable? You said that you have a bank. See knocking around. There's a demand for people to pay attention to new works. How have you incorporated that into your into your practice as a conservative as a conservative Taylor? I will advise anybody who wants to get involved with anything to do with paint whether it's a painting sculpture whether it's a contemporary sticky painting which is still wet let or whether it's a six hundred year old piece of gold ground altarpiece we will advise and then carry out the work on it and having that across across the centuries ability to look at these works about. It's actually fascinating every day. We've got a different thing to research and then carry out and I love that aspect of it thinking what it is we're going to do today is have we got to find the right goal to match the gold on these paintings or find the right sort of diamond glitter to go go on a glitter painting which is right here. If you get the wrong diamonds is GonNa Shave silly things like that so we have to make up models sometimes to see whether the colors are going to be the same one of the worst things I get them. which is the Banksie? We've got here the men. which is the white painting? A white painting on canvas are the worst either because campuses these days are so perfectly made every little tiny not is perfect and then put on these white luminous white paints on top of it and if you rip something like that. It's a nightmare about things that you can possibly want to restore but we do occasionally get that sort of thing this banks handprints or whatever which instantly happened. Because we think we've just washed our hands and they're nice and clean but lo and behold there not. They've got this wonderful oily oily substance that keeps the extraterrestrial bugs away from us. Once I get onto a white painting it's ever ever actually on contemporary acrylic painting. You'll find that the paint actually absorbs it and sucks in the dust as well as becomes on cleanable so banks. He's now gone handprints forever. I suppose that when you're engaging edging with a bank see versus when you're dealing with Caravaggio you have a very different set of aims. Your approach must differ in the with the bank see presumably presumably. You're not looking to maintain any of its sense of the passage of time. You're trying to restore it to something that approximates it's or even is a condition that left the studio in whereas Caravaggio perhaps you're not trying to make new and I wondered how you approach time and a respectful of this kind of Patina. Where does the dirt and in the Patina Begin? It's a very good question interference in our. Where's that gray? Line interference from all sorts of different things including Patina that. Let's call it Patino. We don't really expect to find. Caravaggio looking straight come straight out of a studio. That would be ridiculous. Some people do in the old days would have wanted that that and in the nineteenth century was a prerequisite everything. I had to look absolutely good everything. Now that is modern including things going back to Andy. Warhol have to be one hundred percent if they're not then. It has an impact on the price and impact on the desirability. Because there are enough Miranda. You can get another one which is perfect if your loosen. Freud has got a small scratch on it. It will have an effect one price if you look at a picture under ultraviolet light right and you see it's been interfered with by somebody like me them. It will have an effect on the price therefore yes there is a desire ability to have perfect perfect objects. There's strife there's this work to actually try and make things look good. Caravaggio here will have a wonderful pattern. Table with watering on it. Same sort of think that old portraits sometimes. The family will come along and actually upgrade grade the metals that guy one back in the day. I'm not saying from having tight tries to flares that but that sort of thing does happen and then yes you've got people interfering with pictures. Background famous dealer Beck and the ten th century do Wien who dealt with some of the best objects and shunted to America one US. Why these pictures very shiny? And he answered. My rich clients need to be able to see themselves at the same time as viewing their works about shiny vanishes. She's right now. I suppose it also kind of comes back a bit to how we as a culture engage with ideas of authenticity and what that means and part of your job as you say not only to do this work but to camouflage your presence to conceal the fact that you were ever there because to participate anticipate in the life of this painting to in some way affect the authenticity of the artist's intent. I've read interesting things about in the Far East. For example where ideas of authenticity and originality. Not Quite so tightly bound in to an an object and a temple can be the same temple having been demolished and rebuilt several times according to the same principles and I wondered that if your clients have different expectations in that regard or if when it comes to this sort of painting that your restoring people have broadly similar expectations I I spent a lot of my time. Educating the owner of paintings going from that nineteenth century view that everything has to be a hundred percent perfect and explaining did everything old will acquire a Patina whether it is dirt staining or cracking. We don't have to take those cracks out you know. We are falling apart part as much as the painting is falling apart we older and become more cranky. So it's one of those things I think that we are now the restorer the conservative now has enough influence in the outward where we can actually say. It doesn't need to be done. I love this business because it's dealing with cultural objects that we can actually literally pick up. We can't get do that in a museum become seekonk tap it and see whether it's good conditional we can literally pick it out. I love this. You know that's what I do and I love to impart that to the collector. He's got to really enjoy enjoy as well On. Some of my collected are really interested in the nitty gritty. Of what we do and also what they've got as well. I interested to look after that must be the best type of client someone who isn't just buying something as an asset someone who's buying it out of passion of engagement. There are a number of very very passionate clients Liz. My best people are left love when they sell not bringing another picture today and I just bought this and look it up and see what they boarding Mike. That's going to go really well in your collected. Well done and then you get the other guys one of the sad side just four six pictures. They've all got into storage. We check them every year. I'm never going to have them at home. That's even go there. You kind of just said this in a way where you brought out. But I'm very interested in how having a tactile relationship with at these objects as you say you can go to the British Museum every now and then and there'll be a lump of ancient Assyrian rock that someone will let you pick up under supervision unbelievably privileged position in bed. And I'm sure well deserved as well because it's your profession but how does that change your relationship with objects have I'll tell you one role lovely was still brings up the hat on the back of my neck. I normally work by myself in the evening early in the morning when everybody else has gone home and ring and with a nice glass of wine and a nice piece of music you can just get on with just doing the final touches without being fed with this one painting self portrait of House and I was doing the finishing touches one evening and it wasn't much to do but I was totally engaged with him sitting looking at him straight in the eyes looking at his highlights doing exactly the same movements that he would have been doing and placing the tiniest thoughts paint the missing on that Patriot back in physically doing what he was doing. And I thought I was only there for about half my wife me up and it was half past twelve and said hello you. It was the closest thing to time travel. I knew he was sitting on my shoulder under guiding me. What to do and it was just a relationship? We had that evening with friends. House was the most wonderful piece of cultural exchange every every time. It's an honor. Can we have a look at something and you can tell me about how you've gone about this picture. This just coming in fact the client was here this morning looking at this. He's bought four new paintings for relevant reflection. He's got in south London and this is a view of Thames and he's got another painting from the same ashes assist which actually could be the other half of this painting views of Thames. You'd get autism would paint both banks or lay down so we go to view here looking towards symbols cathedral and this has got the typical expensive water and lots of people on the water using the river and in the sky which covers to judge the picture which is all new clouds and new blue paint or Greenie painter because yellow varnish on there as well. Now we're just carrying out at a test on this and the very interesting to see it or being exposed. The whole of the sky has been repainted and interestingly somebody who repainted is an offshoot and somebody has painted on thick clouds heavy brushstrokes impressed a and then he must have put it in the oven to crack it to make the paint dry and causal these deep blank cracks in the painting. Luckily it hasn't destroyed the painting underneath. But what is appearing through this test that we've not cared about four inches wide. Ah is another cloud nice white cloud with original cracks and a little bit of pattern on the surface. It's a Bingo we've one. It's going to be okay isn't it. It's quite lovely really having that little peeps through it's kind of in the middle of the sky section of the painting and suddenly much clearer as you say a yellow tinge to the opera two-thirds. That's why the sky is but I suppose what this content is. Can you get any indication of exactly when this happened and I suppose it constantly wise wanted that a who would I have a paint painting this. Why would anybody paint over some something like this? The moment it looks like there's a perfectly good picture underneath but my second motor in life is as was the reason why especially as is restored. I will wait with tension and find out if whether there's a lot of damage underneath this. There are some deep cracks that have been painted out as well. So maybe. That's the reason but that you know cracks. These days people accept craxton paintings. They're old like US meal. crackup this entropy versus interference. Yeah Yeah and what's The pyramid is wonderful. Great say we were a bit nervous this morning. We were sharing the client. We had one blue. Patrick looks like it's been painted appearing for underneath the sky which looks like it was more than die but in fact it works pretty well. So yeah we're pleased with that scenario looking at chagall Kind of large frame it sitting on his own easel here in the corner of the studio so this is not literally coming again in the last two or three days and it's come from a private collector in England and she wants to know what the conditions like and why she wants to take off this shiny vanish. That's being put on it recently when I say recently the last twenty years I've is mixes it with ultraviolet light and also a strong torture get reflections to come off and we'll be can find wind here. Is that the painting has been expanded around the edge by about an inch and in order to get more square inches to sell us. But it's it's got very strange texturing where it's been expanded and the retouching on it is pretty muddy and the varnish as I say very shining slick. DOC doesn't have very good picture. This should have slightly dull dusty appearance. Yes it strange looking at it. Stunning slightly to the side. You almost can't. Let's see the painting a tour Kenya for reflection and it really throws up the texture of the canvas as well. So we're going to duane into. We've done a tiny little test on the one of the figures hint shows shows that the yellow varnish removed would reduce a fifty percent brighter image underneath. It's interesting this paintings being being painted the this this is actually used a very coarse jute canvas which is very open weave and he hasn't put any preparation control say it's not so the canvas and the we've campus. It's quite typical of him at this period when talking about when he was still in Russia using pull materials. It's the part of his his work. That actually is more more sorta after because he was when he was emerging as a really interesting artist. How long would you expect to spend with a painting this? How long would it take before? It's back with the collector. She wants it back quite quickly. It's a picture that is quite close to her heart. He wants to spend quite quickly so I'm going to assume about three months but there are two things we can do to this. We can simply just down the varnish on it by putting another della varnish on top which went remake. You understand better will be could do take remove this punish and take off the dirt. That's been great in in the paint and actually revealing original colors which will have a pattern of age some some cracking a little bit of green greater but it look at least fifty percent brighter. And there'd be much more volume in the objects in the composition that for say lacking sometimes when pictures get dirty and the varnishes become yellow and Dahlin flat. You lose dimension. The picture there are obviously you know you have this. Very very broad range of techniques. I imagine a lot of research must go into safely restoring paintings especially when they are uncertain materials involved things volatile. How much do you is a studio experiment? How much research have you kind of incorporated and put back out into the into the industry? Is that a thing that you would expect to do or you or other people doing that and your kind of taking that training from them. We normally rob everybody else's experimentation. We can't really afford to do. All of the scientific experiments to make new varnishes made new clues. And let's say we're robbing hoping the ideas from the international universities and they didn't find that working in the investors like the coach old to experiment and to come up with these new ideas. But what I do say is that we've taken on. Everybody here in. The studio is is highly trained and has huge experience because we have a huge volume of wack elect comes through here. We're right at the peak of the industry of concentration using the most up to date methods which indeed the safest methods now of clean that I've ever been in time. Gone are the days of using petrol derivatives slushing bitches and then just watching the thing expand and whatever came off came off let's long-gone I thank God the materials we use a very small percentages of volatile solvents suspended on the surface of the picture and we can tailor make these solutions for the precise problem. Thanks to Gillespie and conversation of Monaco's Augustine Much Laurie Lori. And if you'd like to see more of what Simon does and you are in the UK you can watching at work in Britain's lost masterpieces available on BBC. I player. Now you're listening the monocle weekly Hero monocle twenty four Proba things time for some music definitely Thompson music. This time I decided to pick up some French electro which I love of is this artist. His name is French. seventy-nine the song is hometown. uh-huh Dan the not on faith. That was hometown by French. seventy-nine you're listening to you. The monocle weekly on May twenty four up next set of course insights lights into GPS from two pioneers at the technology to stay tuned Here on the weekly we like to pretty good at capturing a sense of place in order but next we're going to hear from a couple of very very clever chaps who have gone much further within that Bradford Parkinson and Hugo fruehauf are two of the fathers of gps the global positioning system. They use a satellite to deliver time and a geolocation patient data to enabled devices anywhere on earth in short. This is the tack that means you can always find where you are on your smartphone. And how you're in CAR SATNAV can guide you to your destination. Bradford and Hugo alongside Richard Schwarzen- Professor James Spilka other recipients of this is Queen Elizabeth Prize for Engineering for for their work on developing. GPS A prestigious accolade that recognizes contribution in creating a technology that transformed lives industries and much much more. Aw Tom Edwards track them down to a radio studio on the campus at Stanford University to ask them about their work. Bread can come to you first of all. I guess one of the reasons since that we're speaking to you both is you'll the recipients along with some others of the Queen Elizabeth Prize for engineering not an accolade that's given out lightly in a measure. I guess just one small measure of the significance of your achievements. Tell us a bit about the origin story of the first grade. Even if you look back to the origin story of GPS. Was it a a story of collaboration of coming together. Cooperation around the world often these great achievements all the results of exactly that. In this case I wouldn't describe that that in that way Certainly the applications of today are collaborations but in the early days there were two competing concepts within him that parliament of defense and like all things that are competing. They were at each other's throats and I was brought in. I had the right technical background in depth up to knowledge of Astra Dynamics and control theory and things like that and I was brought in to try to sort things out and it turns out the first time I tried to gain approval for a demonstration. at the Pentagon I was turned down at the time I was air force. Colonel Rather unique I had a PhD from Stanford and a Master's from MIT so having failed. I called a meeting and I did it about two thousand miles away from home base. Because because I wanted to take a fresh look and we had only air force officers except for two civilians in that meeting and the Air Force officers were individuals chills. I'd hired all with advanced degrees of very very bright. A bunch of people and over a long weekend. We have a holiday here called Labor Day over the long long weekend we redid the system. We made a lot of modifications and came up with the seven page document. Described it and then the fun began because as I ended up having to fly back and forth across the coast from one coast to the other over the next ninety days or so and finally in December remember of nineteen seventy-three. I gained approval to put together a demonstration system. And the claim that I had made is that we could get ten meters from space from ranging to these satellites that were three continental way. There were a lot of doubters but sure enough about four years later I finally was able to show everyone that with our extensive testing. We had indeed done that along the way I was launched commander for some satellite launches and this and that but by and large. It's a story of cooperation engineering intense engineering and a fair amount of fortune because frankly the air force did not want this system at all if we had stumbled in the least. I'm afraid they would've canceled us. And if I can jump don't you. I wonder presumed to recognize that that origin story and I it strikes me as interesting often speaking to people who are behind the devising of real great leaps forward that they are often met with doubt in many quarters and often they are compelled to overcome failure. Along the way. And it's a truism. I suppose I wondered if you if this resonates with you that maybe you learn on more when times are hard when you doubted in fact when you face with failures than almost when things guy right well I certainly wasn't part of early story. I was fortunate eighteen after come in towards the end were ride and others which start first with our? If is request for proposal for information and those are life is begin to circle around the major aerospace industries who were capable to build such a system and then you begin to sort of technically equally leveling so you can get involved in it for a whole year this and then Possibly at some point when the government is comfortable enough that people blue really understand. What were we going with all this then? Finally a request for for post comes out and then you spend another year addressing that proposal. So you do all your homework work. Not only just writing the proposal building equipment testing equipment and most of that is usually done with funds from the companies. That plan to win this and obviously we are able to recoup their losses. Some sometimes you alter get money To to do the pose to some extent and this is were week came in at Rockwell international at the time in Seal Beach California and Began to address what Brad and his team have put into the proposal. So for us it was you know. Bad is the guy that suffer from the beginning for us. It was just nothing but great fun and Brad if I pretend to you tell me a little bit about the scale of the the ambush. I mean. You've painted that picture already hugely ambitious and it sounds like you did have quite clear view in mind about how you wanted to proceed. I wonder though if we look at what. GPS EPSN become what it's afforded the changes the differences that it's made all around the world. Could you have envisaged the scale of the impact it would have. I think the answer crisp sponsors. No I had a bunch of charts that I had hand-drawn that showed how we would use it and I'm talking both on the military side but principally principally on the civilian side a lot of people say no to military system that much later this was civilians. Were allowed us. That's not true. So from from the get-go I described the United States. Congress identified and told them that there would be an at risk signal but civilian should be able to get some pretty good accuracy but a couple of things happened along the way that were enablers. They were engineering enablers. The first. Is that the cost of a receiver which originally had been a quarter of a million dollars over. The last thirty years has now about a dollar and a half that changes a lot of things things in terms of what's available and how you use it. The other thing was the engineers had gone to work and we knew there was a way to get very very precise vice positioning but I did not think it was very robust. I didn't think it was reliable while they made it reliable so today a really good receiver receiver controlling a farm tractor in England will get accuracy down on the order of a couple of senators consistently very robustly and in the process that will allow a farmer to save a lot on fuel on fertilizer. And a lot of other things and to me. That's an excellent example of what happened but there were also two surprises on the policy side. That I think were important. I said okay. All civilians ends can use it but it's at risk and then an airplane was shot down by the time the Soviet government over the Kamchatka Peninsula and our president president. Reagan said it was a navigation error. Apparently we're going to give a system to the whole world. That's going to solve this and he announced that. GPS henceforth was to be guaranteed rather than just at risk. Well at the same time. The military was wiggling the civil signal in such a way that you couldn't achieve. Accuracy is much much better than thirty or forty meters president. Clinton sometime later from the Reagan announcement. Said we're no longer going to degrade the signal. The whole world will have under graded accuracy so the point is that both on the engineering side and on the policy side circumstances came together that suddenly enabled the wealth of applications that nobody had really thought of the vast number of applications that the average man on the street is not aware of. I'm I'm thinking. All the way from the farm tractors he or she may or may not know to the vehicle routing that they do know how to get from here. They're Tian but it to such things as measuring tectonic plates two millimeters millimeters. That's the width of Pencil. Lead and as a result having some hope nope predicting earthquakes will occur all those are being done by. GPS SLASH GALILEO SLASH GLONASS. He got. Let's pick out the brats looking very elegantly Abou how the meeting of the politics side and the engineering side just on the engineering and you may have to slutty. Put this in in terms of giving my limited understanding but can it described to us a bit about the complexity of the whole system the complexity of GPS because it strikes me that there's virtually no aspect of a high level engineering scientific vic thinking. That doesn't have some bearing on this. I is it possible to pithily sum up exactly what the complexity is. That creates this amazing thing. Well one one thing that starts right from the beginning as the atomic clock in other words to the timing of a piece of electronic set can easily get a nine no second accurate time is then absolutely the center point of GPS in other words. If you can't measure the speed of light with the gadget so when the the transmitter sends a code say from more than twelve thousand miles in space to ground receiver you have to measure. How much time did take for that signal to to get to the ground to the receiver and as a result you have to have something that measures the speed of light so one into into a second is a a three foot error so you can see that It doesn't take long. Before you can accumulate. Enough air is that the whole system is really not feasible people so for me and getting started in looking at the proposal and then finally ebbing awarded the contract for me was always about the clock and I think that this this is the key for us. Having one is the other folks that we competed with. We're building a satellite. A great new satellite. The clock was going to be. Just here's what we're going to put a clock in here and we're going to do this and that and the other will we hit a clock built already to fly by the time we submitted that proposal to Brat so the complexity was the clock and we were very fortunate to be America and everybody wants to come to America because the guy that actually made a Large into microwave size atomic clock to would have been impossible to fly. He invented a very small few inches full by four inches atomic tommy clock and came to the United States and try to sell it to On Megan navigation users which was another ground based navigation thing that was used by executive jets. He was not good in German I'm a German so We began to get married so to speak and build one fantastic stick thing from his initial ideas. We built a A space rated fully radiation hardened clock can last twenty-five years may affect only a year go. They turned off the last clock. That's been operating from one of the initial satellites of twenty four years Fleming elaborate from a slightly different perspective. I agree agree with everything that you go is. Certainly the clock is a piece of engineering and physics. That is at the heart of our satellite but there are a lot of other complexities unknown to most users all of the signals on. GPS broadcast on exactly the same frequency. What a garbled mess but but it turns out the each have their own code and in your little hand held device for example your cell phone it sorts all that out and it's listening listening simultaneously to perhaps two dozen satellites all in the same hash and figures out which satellite is which and then can range just to them but in addition we need to know precisely where the satellite is unprecedented levels of accuracy in predicting down to levels goals of less than a foot whereas satellite is? That's twelve thousand nautical miles up in the sky amazing complexity. It is remarkable and I wanted to hopefully the risk of embarrassing. You Gentlemen read a couple of lines. From what the chair of the awarding board. I mentioned that Queen Elizabeth Prize earlier talking about engineering being this bedrock. A foundation of all civilization nation really and in context of your work gems. They said that's what these men have done. They've made things happen. They've rewritten in a major way. The infrastructure of our world and that's a pretty staggering testimonial. I wonder what matters most mean. Presumably this a fantastic recognition validation of so much work but you E it's Look to the future. I don't know maybe to the next generation of current students kids who are out there now who might be at the vanguard of engineering as we look forward. Are you most eager to use these sorts of moments to give a message to them. Talk to them about the positive power wat- thinking about things in a technical way can do yes as you probably aware here. Of course that The Queen Elizabeth Prize basically at the foundation of it. As I understand it is to encourage the young twos engineering because what you said is correct. Advancement of the world is going to be coming through engineering in one way or another and to me. It has to be major programs for the young sues engineering for example during the holidays the engineering assignments and people that wanted to sign up for engineering was very high. It was if fifty s and sixty xc percent of all applicants and when no name major program base available then seems to be that the liberal arts begin to be the major source source so the Queen Elizabeth Prize trying to attract these young people and asked US actually to participate in making that happen and and GPS. There's no limit of what you can engineer. Because you can always everything that somewhere along the line that you engineer is going to be concerned about Exact positions nations time. And so on so I actually think. GPS is the heart of all future engineering in one way or another Brad. Would you go along with that. And perhaps you could share a thought to about if we take a step back the role that degrade engineers the real innovators in this space complex. We go forward. People talk about the shifting nature of economies the knowledge base the digitization position of the whole planet. But presumably you would identify genetic code that runs through all of the work you have done and continue to do and you see that going forwards. You're raising a massive massive issue. That is very complex but at the same time easily understood and that is engineers work in cooperative groups. If you go back to Vega Roman times and look at some of those Akwa ducts that still stand two thousand years later. You have no idea who did it but I will tell you. It was a group of very competent. It engineers in the case of GPS. We had engineers working on software engineers working on. How do you predict where a satellite we'll go? We had a group that were involved in the actual building receivers. We had launch engineers. It goes on and on and the point is somehow engineering comes together coalesce assists into something that is useful it helps save lives or whatever and the user generally doesn't have any idea how it happens. It is black doc magic in the case of GPS. I will guarantee you touched on complexity. Yes it is extremely complex. We have to correct for Bernstein's general theory of relativity or your position would be off by miles in a day so all that happens in that cell phone of your's I or anybody else's and they don't understand how it happens but they see the result and the pride engineer has is not in having his name associated did with that but rather his knowledge that yes I made a contribution that was essential to that happening but so did a lot of others that was Bradford Parkinson Nsen Hugo Freehoff. Chew of the Godfathers of GPS and two of the joint winners of this year's Queen Elizabeth's price for engineering talking from Stanford University Radio Year don't Edwards was asking the questions you're listening to the Monaco. Weekly Every year London dust off. Its Barrett's transit so patch and lingers what's up it's tapping food for its annual jazz festival. We're in the midst of it. Now and he continues to the end of next week. I caught up with director pelling option to find out more about programming. The the festival and this year's highlights pelling thank you very much for joining us on the more quickly. We feel lucky to have you if Lassou in the midst of a very busy weekend the opening weekend weekend of the London Jazz Festival how you feeling you must have music in ringing in your ears but hopefully in a good way. It isn't a very good way very exciting you know venues disposing with people and that time of the year that we are you know waiting for because everything that you work for is tangible in front of your eyes so it really pays off. Is the proof of the pudding. Happening people will be familiar with the London jazz festival so a long and storied history tree. We might talk about a bit of that later but people used to standing in fields and that's a festive right and everything kind of comes in front of there is an urban festival city festival. Like this you have to be a little bit more hungrier to Kinda know where you're going. How do you navigate? How'd you recommend people navigate the jazz festival? I think the experience in the field festival civil is different but not much different. In terms of an urban festival could give you like the satisfaction of treasure hunt so to say and and it's not just about hunting the right sound the music for yourself but the right kind of experience what kind of venues best fit for which kind of music and this art is who is actually playing somewhere in the city sometime but are they doing something different for the festival. which is the case? So I I think the main challenge in a good way is to make sure that the festival differentiates from what's happening throughout the year in London and also can we provide the experience of the right place right time and the surprise elements and all sorts of discovery and does festival serve as Almost like an adviser for the good music to be found so I think the urban festivals especially in a big city like London do serve that purpose at this. Yeah you've got that kind of curatorial role as well as a festival and there's a different way. I liked watching gigs as part of a festival. Because it seems like there's an overarching theme came to the presentation of it. Or there's something something different rawlins's buying tickets and going to sec- something. How do you Kinda describe the atmosphere that you're trying to create the festival? I think the festival because it's London and because it's big and because the the audience have all sorts of music appreciations and we want to make sure that we we are covering all angles of jazz improvisational music. Contemporary Music some adventures genres near as well as some in-club culture and youth culture. It's a mix of everything and also some really mainstream and traditional forms of jazz as well so when you have. The you know statement of we are doing London Jazz Festival. You can't just ignore some parts of the scene and just have a very niche focused program. We do have focused programs but it's inside the festival s trails so we are trying to be as encompassing as possible for all artistic musical appreciation which can be built around China's but the running theme within the festival are the strands or the teams teams within themes so an arts enters iast or a designer lifestyle into the US you can find certain shows which could have cross discipline elements for people who are more interested into the UK jazz scene and the buzz around it. They definitely have lots of choices. Around that and for more traditional I will go to a club see a concert in a very refined atmosphere kind of audience. There's club kind of five five five as well as well as the Kinda down and dirty five you mentioned the UK Jesse and the London Jesse is very vibrant. At the moment. You've come from Istanbul. You programming Istanbul on Boo- jazz festival up until the year before last. How do those cities differ in terms of in terms of the vibe in terms of the atmosphere? The jazz scene I when asked Kushner atmosphere. Oh yeah because I feel like it's an atmospheric connor genre that she you're watching people you're close to the action you one on one with the players. I think it's a wonderful way to approach it because jazz. The recordings are amazing. What you do in the studio is fabulous and the music itself of is very inspiring? But what you see live on stage is something that would never be repeated. Even the the same positions are being played the improvisation the interaction interaction between musicians. The surprise elements that we are integrating in the festival. So I totally agree with you about the experience and the atmosphere and this is is something that you can find. Only in life live elements of the music in terms of comparing two cities. I think Istanbul was still a very wide wide open emerging market where. We were still eager discovering the first comers whereas London you can build up an artist year craft two year still build up some audience around them and there is enough demand even if we are thinking about the same artist bringing together different projects et Cetera. So there is I think more in terms of taking risks or creating different elements or angles when it comes to London and you can see it from the festival a huge mash up of different elements whereas Islam. We'll was more of yes. The atmosphere was important. It was open-air it. It was the boss I it was fantastic. Historical advances to the city of assume the background vibe and the underground it was really inspiring but here in London. Even if we have four walls around us it is still really crazy and inspiring as well but then we also bring in that element of the venue or different adventurous trails. Which for instance we are doing royal docks walks weekend there at the end of the festival the finishing weekend and we will be using a refrigerator warehouse as a found space compressor house where we will stage H. steamed down so you know these kinds of insertion totting and wondering about Acoustics? You've oversee check this out. We did but I think that's also the the part where the creativity comes in terms of production as well as musicianship. So and you mentioned kind of Crawford -bility of ideas and Jazz Music Doc. Being of an improvisatory nature race skillful technical kind of music as well. You've mentioned how that kind of meshes in design and different pause. How does that work how I will listen to be able to kind of that toe into some something that maybe they were attracted by the jazz festival but then they go and they they end up being part of a different kind of happening? How how does that work? Well I think all artists musicians but mainly jazz musicians have always been inspired. What's happening around them? Be It political beats social bid in other artistic ways of self expression and obviously we do have that the outcome of that in the festival almost every year this year there it has been particular anniversaries or movements which we wanted to address. Some artists wanted to respond to these. For instance we have celebrating. The centenary centenary of Bauhaus Movement is going to be on the twenty third of November on Saturday. The last weekend at the Barbican where we wanted to approach some Artists to ask what would your response be to this hundred years of functional very on that yeah but also liberal egalitarian design and what would be the music of today as a response to that architecture or design or artistic movement moment. which was some sort of an indulgence period? At that time and then we were able to join forces with erase tapes and we invited Don of Committee Danielle Brand and then Bajas Clang Jazz Ensemble led by Milan to provide their sets or their musical repertoire. Soir a response to the movement so that is very exciting. That is what they call a hot ticket. I guess I also should tell listeners. We have accidentally he recreated the atmosphere and heat of New Orleans Jazz Club in Studio one here today. Just for U. Penn.. Yeah because I'm from the Mediterranean and I'm happy with at this is it's A. It's a mild six degrees Celsius in here today. It's a little warmer. This on is getting warm. It's fine blame it on the air con. I wanted to ask About when is a jazz festival and a jazz festival. I know that I mentioned New Orleans and I was joking but the New Orleans jazz festival has become this crazy thing. Stones have played it. You've got a he playing this year. WHO's a man of many different parts? which part is he going to be tapping into for? The jazz is probably it was a very clever. Ever move for him and for us as well because if we wanted to have straight ahead IGGY pop rock show or the stooges kind of thing we know. I know that the London Jazz Festival is not necessarily the right home for it whereas he's just released an album I think beginning of September. Free where he is. You know stretching stretching his singer songwriter and poet type of merits and we thought after London justice will be the right platform to provide him the intimacy over proper jazz. There are certain jazz idiom type of movements in the album but I would call it a proper singer songwriter writer album and therefore we have a pope. I am kind of notorious of having non jazz names in the events. That program and Istanbul was was a festival like that. So I'm just hoping I don't leave the impression of you know. I think people would be intrigued to see how that goes down. And he's playing on the larger venues per read necessarily Helen. Thank you so much for For squeezing on a busy Sunday the opening weekend for the London Jazz Festival that runs until the end of the month. Twenty four th of November twenty four th of November full who long interesting venues concerts events dance film conversations. Anything you can think about around music. That was an option and the London. Jazz festival runs across multiple venues in the capital until the twenty fourth of November. And you still with the MANCA weekly Fernando addition five hundred forty one at the monocle weekly. It was a pleasure sharing this tropical studio with you and you taste cutout shirt. Thank you very much. Great guests inventors of Japan as amazing right It's fascinating and we couldn't live with today. Thank thank Fernando are Powell's behind the glass today. Today's show was produced by Augustine match. 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Friday 8 February

"You're listening to the multiple daily. First broadcast on the eighth of February two thousand nineteen a monocle twenty four. My Midori house in London. This is the monocle daily. I'm Paul spawn coming up the world's richest man says he's being blackmailed Jeff Bessis gone public with the story. An accused the operator of one of America's best magazines of being behind it. We'll get the latest in just a moment also on the show women widely seen as Germany's next chance at has given a few clues as to how she sees Europe. She's rejected colds cake Hungary's governing party out of a key European group. We'll get reaction from the past later an Oscar winning director on his latest moving people think oh the world is on fire the country's on fire. And I think balden here would very cruelly say, but it's always been on fire amateur paying attention. I think for that reason the work is still very relevant. It's old but aid is like five plus the top stories from Asia. And we'll go on a musical journey ahead of the Grammy's old in the next hour in the monocle daily live from London on monocle twenty four. Hello, welcome. To today's Monaco daily. It's been an extraordinary twenty four hours for Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, he's accused the parent company of one of America's best and supermarket. Tabloids of setting out to black man him. He says American media Inc. M I threatened to publish intimate photographs intern. Am I says it believes it acted lawfully in its reporting on the world's richest man was well as creating Amazon Basil's also the owner of the Washington Post and claims at that poverty explains why he has been targeted. He says by let's get more on this now from Jonah Weiss, his editor of experience magazine foam of the Boston Globe. And she's been following the story through the day Joanna, this is an extraordinary move by basis. Ballsy move publishing all of this in a blog and just putting it all out there in the public domain mean. This is what what what am I he claims his trying to hold over him. These. The descriptions of these pretty salacious photos between him and his girlfriend. He goes in just lays out and said here they out here. Here's what they reported to show. And this is what they were blackmailing we with and here are the Email. So he does he he lays it all Abair. So to speak on he says in his in his lengthy blog posts, he published twenty four hours ago that obviously he would rather this stuff had never come out. But he is also not willing to be put in the position that he views as being blackmail by an organization that he says does things like this quite a lot. Sure, he's he's claiming to stake the moral highground onto and AM. I the the parent company of the National Enquirer has been accused of a lot of shady and not particularly journalistic practices before. I mean, most notably. They've been quite embroiled in stories about the Trump presidency and efforts to buy source sources stories in order to kill them. And these are sources who. For example, a playboy model who claimed to have an affair with Donald Trump. They paid one hundred fifty thousand dollars per story in order to kill it. So that it wouldn't come out allegedly and her the Trump campaign. Indeed. I'm I seems to think that it is that if you take that relationship between the basa air, my and Donald Trump some of the things ammo has been accused of in relation to say buying up stories to to keep them, quiet. He then also mentions his ownership of the Washington Post and saying that's made him path for enemies. And we think that means Donald Trump go, why am I might be batting for Trump against Basil's? Right. I mean, there's absolutely no straight bright line. This is all suggestion and speculation. But, you know, the Washington Post a many American newspapers has been very tough on on Donald Trump with a lot of reporting. And because of that Trump has really zeroed in on Jeff Bezos as a. Boogie man in an enemy kill constantly tweet. Things calling the post the Amazon Washington Post. In fact, it's a separate holding for Jeff Bezos, Amazon dot com is not business was related to the post. He also called him. Jeff bozo. Into tweet the other day in his Trumpian way. He makes fun of Jeff visas a lot and he set him up as a real enemy. Now, am I insisted as we said at the beginning that he's acted lawfully as investigating these claims basis blow posing because the publication of emails he says he's received from lawyers acting on behalf of am I making these threats and setting out. Sort of quays I legal agreement by which he would make some public statement. They return wouldn't publish the photos if this is as he is alleging form of blackmail. It's a very odd way to do it by doing it all on Email. It is something that could be published later. I mean, if these emails are, in fact, genuine, then it seems clear that AM I assume that this this information that the Jeff visas would have such a strong incentive to have this information out that he would exceed two SE to these demands that he would say Shoro I'll and the demands are are quite strange too. I mean, the demand is for Jeff Bezos to make a statement saying that he has no knowledge that the coverage am I had of him that the that this this expose about him and his marital air was politically motivated. It's very unclear how Jeff basis would even know that to be true or not true. It's kind of. Moving negative and Bezos says in his blog post, there was no way that he and his lawyers gonna we're gonna say yes to that. Not. He also Jeff brazier also referenced as well as his ownership of the post the post is campaigned so loudly over the murder of Jamaica Shoji, who of course, wrote for the post, we we know that AM I produced a magazine that was packed full of praise Assadi Arabia's rulers raise some questions at self eighth insisted the side it didn't pay for it didn't get copy approval. And again, there's no straight line. But if you were a conspiracy theorist you'd you'd wonder if that might also be a factor. Absolutely. And it's part of the the absolute strangeness of this story. This was last spring, and am I produced and sent out to walmarts and supermarkets around the country. This ninety seven page puff magazine about Saudi Arabia. Some of the pictures in the magazine that we're supposed to be that. Teddy Arabian weren't even from Saudi Arabia. I think there was a odor from the Netherlands in there on it was a strange publication to begin with. It's very unclear. Why am I would want to put a publication like that out? And the the Associated Press reported that that publication was sent to the Saudi embassy about three weeks before it hit newsstands. And that's, you know, at the very least not common journalistic practice drama voice. Thank you very much. Well, a little later in the program. We'll be exploring a major business Headey chromosome that surfaced today in another part of the United States. But let's move this Ford's a little bit because just been discussing in his lengthy Plock post. Jeff Bezos made this intriguing suggestion about the relationship between the publishers the National Enquirer. And the government of Saudi Arabia the allegation being that am I appear to be nervous about details of its dealings with the Saudis being made public certainly Associated Press has previously reported in more detail on that pro-saudi magazine that Joanna was just telling us about it was published by am I made available places like WalMart where you wouldn't necessarily expect it to be a vast amount of interest in the intricacies of Saudi politics will his Middle East analyst Bill law with the story of how the Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman came to be just such a divisive force in global politics. When Mohammed bin soman, which is twelve years old. He began sitting in on meetings, led by his father soman, then governor of Saudi Arabia's Riyadh province. Well, still in his early teens. The embiid's young prince began trading in shares and property even then NBS as he's known displayed a ruthless streak when a land registry official tried to block the purchase of a property NBS wanted. He was sent a bullet the official got the message and the deal went through choosing to remain close to his father in Riyadh 'em. Bs attended king sowed university graduating law associates considered him and Ernest young man smoked nor drink nor. Did he have any interest in party? In twenty eleven Salman became deputy crown prince and secure the prized ministry of defence with its vast budget and lucrative weapons contracts. NBS stillness early twenties were too closely with his father the ministry, then when Solomon was named crown prince and twenty twelve NBS as a private advisor ran his father's Royal court with a decisive hand when Solomon center the Saudi throne in January twenty fifteen he was already ailing and relying heavily on his son now aged eighty two the king is reported to be suffering from dementia and able to concentrate for only a few hours in a day as the gatekeeper NBS became the real power in the kingdom. There is no precedents in house Assad for what happened next not yet. Thirty prince Muhammad was appointed defence minister put in charge of Aramco, the national energy company made the head of a powerful new body, the council of economic and development affairs and give them control of the kingdom's public investment fund. He was named deputy crown prince, but insured ascendancy over his rival mama been naive. The crown prince and interior minister by absorbing the latter's role court into that of the kings within months NBS launched a war on Yemen without Dhabi's crown prince Mohammad bin Ziyad, it was supposed to be a quick win. Four years later, the war grinds on with awful consequences for the people of Yemen. It was the first of many errors in judgment for young men whose intelligence and ambition are often undercut by potent streak of arrogance impatience cruelty in the spring of two thousand sixteen he now. The bold and radical remaking of the Saudi Konami and society vision twenty thirty it called for an end to Saudi dependency on oil an economic diversification for the empowerment of the private sector vision. Twenty thirty place Saudi women in the front row seeing them a powerful weapon drive forward rapid change young Saudis and the west applauded. This was a reformer who would lead the kingdom into the twenty first century. Then in early June twenty seventeen together with mentor Mohammed bin Ziyad NBS launched a land air and sea blockade of his Gulf neighbor cutter. Like Yemen cover was supposed to cave in quickly. It hasn't happened. That fight is now more than two years old with no end in sight as questions about his judgment began to grow NBS, consolidate his power and saw been naive was forced out of the interior ministry and stripped of his titles crown prince king, Saul mon-, then gave his favorite son the job in November twenty seventeen other potential rivals, including prince matab, the son of the late king and head of the national guard were arrested and held in the Riyadh's five star Ritz-Carlton hotel, the arrests were said to be part of an anti corruption drive. But it was in fact, a classic mafia style shakedown within that gilded prison their allegations of torture. You got out of jail if you surrender. Your assets and your businesses for matab, the price tag was one billion dollars increasingly the brutal side to the character of MB s was emerging shortly after announcing global claim that he will allow women to drive you order the arrest of the women who campaigned for that. Right. And he picked to fight with Canada. When the Canadian foreign minister criticize at treatment of women activists some of whom were being tortured detention. But his moves agreed just and cruel blunder was the murder in October twenty teen of journalist on Shuji. Lewd into the Saudi consulate is double suffocated and his corpse dismembered. The CIA is established with high probability the NBS ordered the killing. There was global revulsion and his Blasi image as a moderate was your trip damaged now. Almost three years in vision. Twenty thirty is stalling unemployment remains high the creation of new jobs in the private sector is happening. Only very slowly and affordable housing remains out of the reach of most young Saudis, given the absolute power holes. These should be easy winds for India's. But he's fixated on big ticket projects like the five hundred billion dollar smart city. While spending lavishly on himself. His hideous sent NBS has made many enemies within the conservative religious establishment their elite merchant class and the Royal family for now they're fearful and in the shadows should vision twenty thirty fail though. And should he lose a support of young Saudis the man who sees himself as the emerging leader their world? We'll find himself on the losing side of history. For monocle. I'm bill. Bill. Thanks very much. You're listening to the daily from multiple twenty four. Mentioned the name funk house in Berlin. And you'll be greeted with excited curiousity or mysterious smile from those in the know, the former communist broadcasting house got a new lease of life when young musicians hunkered down Monaco film, set out on the tour of the stunning studios and recording holes from cows on the same wavelength playing now in the film section at Monaco dot com. Leader of Germany's ruling Christian Democrats, still something of a mystery to many people bought a comments in new interview shed, some light on her views on some key issues and Kamba has spoken to the politico website saying that Europe must reform ahead of what she calls a contest of systems with China and the United States, and she is the front runner to take over from angle Merkel as Germany's Chancellor so have used do matter and the time when the EU faces any number of issues, she had plenty to say about Europe's troubled relationship with hungry will for more. Now, we can speak Benjamin Novak freelance journalist in Budapest. He said contributed to the New York Times manga others Benjamin. Thank you for your time this evening, so she was asked whether the party of Hungary's, prime minister should be allowed to stay in the mainstream centre-right European grouping EP European People's Party considering all the complaints about anti-immigrant rhetoric assaults on freedom. Expression, etc. I'm Pap surprisingly he said that actually auburn's parties shouldn't be expelled. Yes. Well, this isn't the first time we've heard statements like this made by a members of the European People's Party. And we see that there is indeed something in the background that is keeping the European People's Party or prompting the European People's Party to keep Victoria fetus party close within its ranks. It's very difficult to see or to understand what is driving this. It doesn't seem to be value based decision and what MRs Carly Bauer pointed at here was that by having. He does in the European rear paean People's Party. They are able to continue a dialogue. I suppose this means that as long as they're close enough to the group the group can continue to engage with Mr. bones party. But we see that this really hasn't produced any results over the past nine years just to give you an example since fetus has been in the European People's Party. Mr. Orban's has undermined the rule of law in Hungary. He's weaponized religion. He's taken over media. He's taken over the judiciary. The public prosecutor's office. There are free but not fair elections. There is in intense Orwellian, xenophobic propaganda campaign character assassination against critic critics of the regime's, the normalization of violence rampant corruption attacks on civil society. And despite this dialogue that the EP supposes. It has with Mr Orban, they haven't really been able to slow any of this down it. I think what we can. We can read out of this situation is that we are on the verge of a of a very important European part parliament election in a few months, and the European People's Party needs all the votes. It can get it needs as many seats as possible in the European Parliament's. And feed us is very likely to take in the lion's share of the seats that Hungary will be putting up in the European parliament election which runs the risk. I suppose if you are a crime Kanda of putting you at all with the ease institutions, isn't it a couple of months ago that showed Janka, for example, said that the fit is has no place in the EP. If you say she is keen to hang onto them, really because she wants she wants the h she wants the vote. So the PP retains its power in the European parliament that does not look like he is standing with the European Union's concerns about what Hungary's actions me. Mean for what they see as core European values? We'll see we can only we can only imagine. As to what the real reason is why the European People's Party hasn't yet ejected feed us. We know that it is. It is very embarrassing for them that hungry continues time and time again to come up in a very negative context within the European Union within the European People's Party. They just adopted back in September the article seven procedure to initiate, the article seven procedure against Hungary, and it will put it will put the EP I believe at odds. I think with how would I frame this better? It undermines the the value based image. I think that that that the is trying to project itself. So what we can see is over the past few years. There has been a lot of criticism that the EP is effectively undermining its own set of values, and and helping to subsidize. A government that is that is very much moving against the core. Values of the European Union and the values enshrined in the treaty on European Union. Just for all the arguments that Hungary's government has had with the EU with officials in the EU. What is the view of Hungarian people of membership of the European Union? I is there a sense of hostility, tools, Brussels. I it's a great question. Will we do see from the euro barometer polls that you know, the the overwhelming majority of Hungarians are quite supportive of the EU. They like being in the EU what I point out here, though, is that in recent years with this takeover of media that we've seen in Hungary, and the very hostile narrative that the Orban's government has adopted towards quote, unquote, Brussels that, you know, as time goes on this is likely to change the perception of of people, and I think. Right now, especially given what's at stake with the European with these European elections. Mr. Orban's is keen on making sure Hungarians want to remain in the European Union. But changing the European Union to fit his style of politics to fit his his vision of Europe and to fit his his vision of hungry. We're talking about a prime minister here that has openly said he is building a liberal state in hungry. He wants to model hungry on the systems that we've seen in China in Turkey and in Russia, and I think that with this very intense propaganda that we've seen in Hungary. He may be conditioning on Gary's in a certain respect to see a different vision for Europe itself. Benjamin. Thank you very much Benjamin Novak joining us staff from Budapest. You're listening to Monica twenty four in just a moment will have Oscar-winning film director whose latest movies today. But. First let's catch up with some of the day's top stories. Thailand's king has denounced his own sisters bid to run for prime minister Princess over Tana. Ryan doll has been nominated for next month's elections. The king says it would defy the nation's culture and breach tradition that the Thai Royal family stays out of politics intervention by the king could see his sister banned from running president of the Brazilian football club. Flamengo says the deaths of ten teenage plays is the worst tragedy. I've ever in the youth team players staying training ground and RIA investigations been launched while plants the fire started an air conditioning units. A new studies concluded providing a universal income in Finland to unemployed. People didn't lead them to find work for two years two thousand unemployed Finns a monthly flat payment of five hundred sixty euros. The idea was to see if the safety. Nets would help them to find jobs that didn't happen study found that recipients did feel happy and less stressed. This is the thing. It's been a busy few years for Barry Jenkins ever since moonlight while the Academy Award for best picture, your remember that off the LA La Land was mistaken the announced as the winner Jenkins will suddenly catapulted to celebrity status while his new film is called if Bill street could talk it's an adaptation of a book by the right to James Baldwin films released today. Multiples Ben Ryan spoke to Barry Jenkins. And they started by listening to a recording of James Bolton speaking to a couple of school students in San Francisco in nineteen sixty three negro Pesident in this country. And. What is that? How are we going to be president got? But I what you to think about this. They will be the president of this country. They will not be that'd be sitting in now. But if you say to yourself, then never will be negro president Louis country. Then what you're doing is agreeing with white people who say you on Furio is not important. Really? No. Know whether or not negro president, I mean that way once involved that you should realize that you can become a you can't become the president. There's nothing anybody. Anybody can do you can't do. Wow. It's such a wonderful wonderful. This is what I mean. The man is like a profit. It's insane. The composition could have happened nine years ago. Ten years ago Hella conversation can happen tomorrow. Because now, I'm sure people feeling like they will never be another negro president or people like there were never be a female president. Because the last two years have been so hard on everybody. I mean Baldwin is just like eternal return. So I've seen that by the way because I made a short film of the same cinematographer in twenty ten called re-migration. And it's about the fictional version of San Francisco in the future where there are no working class people in the city, and so the city government program to bring working class people back to the city, and we actually use a clip from the documentary one of the children in the film is like watching it on television and her mind like my mind is being blown. But we didn't use that part. And we should have damn it. His now I had to go back and re-edit. One thing that strikes me about bowling. And of course, he was speaking in nineteen sixty three that even as you say speaking. Now, it must be difficult to make these sorts of points. Like the point he's making they like the point you'll making a new film Bill straight talk, you making very serious points here about the way that race relations work in America in the world will broadly. I'm sure as well. And yet it's being done without anger and frustration even though the anger and frustration must be there in the back of your mind in the back of Baldwin's mind, as we know how do you get those points across with the tend to roll in motion and the subtlety that the comes across India films. In bowlen's words, I think I've experienced anger in my life. And I think I've happy try to make salient points through anger in my life, and I refer them salient points because the points would have gotten through whether or not been filtered through anger, and we talk about being broken up being broken of if you times I have allowed myself to feel broken to rebel and the broken. This have been when I've let anger get the best of me. So. Yeah, I'm pissed off. And I think you watch the last two films. I think even if you watch if you watch all three films, there's some element of being really pissed off or being disillusioned. But if I allow my storytelling, my voice, mice that it to be filtered through that prison, and they might break thing that I'm attempting to say in a certain way, so the tinnitus you're speaking of egos part and parcel with this idea that in my personal life, and my life is a human being I just don't see anger bitterness as a solid place to work from. I think also to what I love about the conversation. Mr. all having those men is they are pissed off. They are bitter, and they are broken into the stands that to give them back the energy. They're all they're already. Rebelling in is not going to prove his point is not going to help the point across. So I think I approach the films that we build on the same way. Even though they're talking about things films. Are that really should us all off will of course, east dotted work on if Beale streak took before you had the Oscar before you had the rights. What difference did getting the make to approaching this project for you? None actually really lovely things about this project moonlight. I wrote them at the same time in the summer of twenty thirteen I wrote moonlight in Brussels. And then I went to Berlin via train and wrote Bushwick talk. So they kind of went hand in hand. And I always knew that I wanted to make this one immediately after the last one the process of unlocking, the rights beginning twenty thirteen and so moonlight didn't exist when we began this process and the ball state is really adamant about mentioning not moonlight. But medicine for melancholy when they explain why they allowed us to make this film. So no, the Oscars have any effect really to be honest. It was like the opposite way around and think going right into those. We can talk really helped me process until move away from all the madness of the Academy Awards and everything it's interesting to look at the loan just Asian period of this project had you. And of course, it's based on a book, which is quite old in itself. And yet the film comes. Across is quite topical quite timely. It feels like something that specifically is saying something about now. Now, I can have my own theories on that. But I'd like to know why do you feel like it's talking to now I think it's just bald with. I mean, look if you had played the clip, you know, ten years ago before Brock Obama was elected you'd be like holy shit. This is insane. I think it's just this quality in Baldwin that he speaking to the human condition, and he's also speaking to the idea of America quite often and people like to think, oh, we have a president. Who is doing? God knows what in the world is on fire the country's on fire, and I think of Baldwin hair. He would very clearly say, but it's always been on fire hammered you paying attention. And I think for that reason the work is still very relevant. It's old. But at age is like fine wine. They can't be a winning film director. Barry, Jenkins, speaking to motorcycles. Ben Ryland about fell. I feel street could talk which is released today. The full discussion is available by heading toward site searching full. A big interview. You're listening to the daily for monocle twenty four. What does if we haven't spoken about Jeff bass enough already tonight in the program? Let's pretend to a story we discussed loss week the growing position to plans for new Amazon headquarters in New York. It seems the company has had enough of the criticism spin reported now that it's reconsidering the plan and could abandon Neil altogether. Let's get more from locals America's editor at large at Staka. At the last time. We spoke we discussed that opposition to the plans for Amazon H Q. It's that surprising to discover the company wondering aloud why if it's not wanted it should hang around. Indeed. I mean, as we sort of discussed at the council mating, you know, executives from Amazon Assane, look, you know, we wanna make sure that we're in a place where we feel. Absolutely, welcome in the the, you know in northern Virginia and in Nashville to places where they opening and crew. Eighteen jobs being much more welcome. But the big news today is that's been quite a back and forth. And that's because Jeff Bezos is newspaper. Bill the paper. He owns well. The the Washington Post has published an article saying that as you said Amazon is reconsidering we must note, I guess the sources out to people familiar with the company's thinking which sounds slightly bake. But as you say, it's no wonder that there is this back and forth. This reconsidering I think, you know, a big deal is the fact that New York City is unionized city builder blessed mass been saying that he feels that he can convince Amazon to unionize none of them work because unionized around the world. And in that council meeting the was held recently. They said that. Cyst it. Now, this seems to be a bit of a sticking point. And there's been admission as well from essentially, the two New York people who. Integral in this D in this deal who are the Meyer, Andrew Cuomo and sure the governor Andrew Cuomo and the mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio. They didn't mention thing about unions during the discussions because it didn't want to scupper the deal how the oversea governor Cuomo is keen on the deal because it promises we're told twenty seven billion dollars in revenue for the state and the city and today, he said that a news conference we need Amazon. He says, you know, they putting in three billion dollars of incentives apparently gonna get back twenty seven billion. He was his head. I would do that all day long. But the problem is that they are the centers as we discussed it just in the city council, but also in New York state's Senate, they have no mated an outspoken Amazon. Critic to aboard that could veto the deal. So they are lots of questions, but one could also key that both sides away sort of testing each other out that that you know, there's going to have to be some so vinegar Chichan isn't that if this is all going to be suited and going public or dropping hints about certain things on both sides, maybe in a way and ago, she Asian tactic. It would be quite move for Amazon to suddenly say, look we decided that we don't want this deal to go forward. But having said all of that what they haven't done is on aboard property or leased property in Long Island city in queens, which is where the site is set to be. So they don't tied to any physical space at the moment, which I guess would oversee make walking away easier. You mentioned the size of the investment is to. About it being in tens of thousands twenty five thousand jobs. This is a big gamble for politicians in New York. Is there a chance to Amazon is conceivably bluffing. Putting this information out as you say, it's come from sources familiar with the company's thinking it's going through the Washington Post, which makes people think that that pretty well connected. Sources is repulsive ability that just bluffing here to try and get people to just back off a bit with the criticism. I think yes, I think that's true. I think I do think that the fact that they haven't committed any protein makes it easier to will Cohen. But they'll know that so budgeting chip they have been advertising for senior community affairs manager, which makes think they do want to, you know, repair community relations as it were. And we don't know the amount of money, but they've spent a lot on on trying to win a public relations battle prior to these these latest little setbacks, but they being. Flying around queens. I think could into some reports into other Boras bicyc- trying to do what you would cool community outreach sort of introduce themselves and try and foster some sort of community again, no idea how much actually cost, but that must have been a fairly serious investment to hire a firm to do that and take that on and print oldest flaws and go to the extent of trying to win over a public opinion. But I mean, one could also say that it was a slight surprise that. They decided on New York City in the first place. It wasn't according to some people always kind of top of the list of the places that they could have gone for they could've gone for places that perhaps would have been easier in terms of the thorny issue of unionizing, or etc. Etc and costs, but they went for New York City, presumably because of the sort of talent that's already in the city and right on the doorstep. We'll have to see how this sort of back. Oh continues. There is another city council meeting for later in the month of February later this month. So we have to see if the more clashes between the two sons at it is a fascinating story. I'm sure we'll return to it again at Staka. Thank you for joining us. You're listening to monocle twenty four. The foreign desk is monocle twenty weekly global affairs program, we tackle the world's biggest news stories as well as those left untold. What are we doing after ISIS gone from Dan what is going to happen to Raka after deliberation? We are in a vicious circle to certain extent expert, guests of in-depth analysis and first hand experience when you ask can you imagine a Russia without Putin enough to Putin? It's sunny case of matching for us, the the Russian democratic opposition we have to prepare for Russia after Putin because we cannot afford not to be ready again when big political change begins the foreign desk with me and Ramallah is available every Saturday from mid day London time right here on monocle twenty four. A little sibling of our city focus show the urban. It's toll stories each week. It tells the story of fascinating building a landmark this week were off to Vienna. To him story of the ALDE. That's textually fascinating. Who Vasa house Monaco's executive editor? Joe Fenech takes up the story. Freidan srike hundred Vassar was always fascinated by molehills in nineteen sixty four the eccentric, Austrian artists and later architect dope. The picture that he called in typically the question fashion, the seven prosperous years of the mole. This colorful, canvas reveals a chamber of concentric rooms built benefit ground like much of his work its fanciful naive and not that simple to decipher. But it's also a good starting point to understand how this out spoken and at times outrageous in 'cause I did moved beyond his colorful, art, works and outbursts into some of the strangest buildings ever likely to stumble across. Born in Vienna in nineteen twenty eight as Friedrich Stoesz Friedrich is right hunters faster a name literally meaning peace realm hundred water in German was a painter before he ever made his Mark on the bills environment by the nineteen fifties. The autists was pending screens and mounting demonstrations against the state of all Catalunya hundred suggested the people forced to live in coops rabbits, chickens. He also the dog attacked you become criminally sterile. And most provocatively the straight line at self was godless and immoral. Few in the world of architecture took hunted. Fasces renting's will seriously debated. All bowl could often be seen in pinstriped flares self made shoes unusually peaked bake bakers cap rented about trees. In one series of lectures in the late nineteen sixties hit ministered his addresses about the downfall of civilization, and saving the whales. Whilst completely naked. It's all the most surprising than the Australia's chancellor took the time in nineteen seventy seven perhaps having seen hunting ashes increasingly popular architectural models to send a letter to the man Vienna. Encouraging the latter to take a punt one hundred Vassar and allow him to build something off. All the bold move gave rise to the subject of today's tale and the building Vienna's hundred Fassa house. Located in an unassuming stretch of land. Stresa pebbles skim from the done you'd canal this apartment building was built by hunted Vassar and the architects Joseph Krav between nine hundred ninety three and nineteen eighty five. The collaboration bought about one of the most unusual buildings ever realized. Yes, yes. There are the fifty three apartments for offices and sixteen private terraces. But every facet of the strange swirling, Dr Seuss s creation was a statement of enter trusses architectural intent like the molehills heated Miot hunted. Vance's homes seem to rise from the F with trees and bushes emerging from within Grassi rubes Walton natural curves the trees were more than decoration though. The stop them as tenants on a vital part of his brand of organic architecture. He created intentionally uneven floors to stimulate the experience of walking outdoors and encourage those wokers to think about the footing when they were going. Transit was all seven avid experiment of what he called window writes, the Perot of tenants to customize the facade of the building the bits within reach of that window anyway, in any way that they chose and other way of hitting out against what he saw is the personality of standardized architecture. He wanted people to reclaim their places. The centerpieces of the built environment and more broadly within nature two hundred faster went onto build throughout Australia, Germany, Switzerland. Plus, a smattering of edifices in Japan and the US before passing away in the two thousand today, the haunted house is a museum to the master's work complete with a gift shop and cafe and unexpectedly it's one as most popular buildings the mistake. One shouldn't make when visiting the structure, however, is to dismiss it as nobody or even oddity that many of the site is all novel to say, the least took architectural influences where he could from. Antonio counties work in Boston Lana to watch tower in Los Angeles. And of course, the natural world. He also appended existing architecture wisdom, he hits out for the free expression. And a few important ecological concerns that contemporary architects, still scrambling to keep up with despite his influence on art and architecture whom to trust was delightfully unsentimental about his own what he refused payment for the design of the Honda trust a house entirely claiming that he was happy to his simply to have prevented something ugly going on the site. Instead. For my. I'm sure that this unusual other-worldly reimagining of the architecture landscape has given the world together. More to think about than hunt faster claimed to dust off in reimagined an old it in this still amounted of inspiration to be mined from this very intriguing molehill. Josh Bennett with this week's toll story from Vienna. There's more from the team behind the evidence to Monaco dot com. This is twenty four. Well, let's head to Sydney now and catch up with some of the stories that are making headlines over there. Correspondent in the city. Clarisa Subic Montefiore is on the line forest. Now, we're going to begin Clarisa with a story about Stradey as an ounce -ment about Israel about the Israeli the embassy in Israel on the very short notice. This announcement was coming. Yes, actually this. But this is a story that's just broken. But it's about something that happened back in October when the government gate the shock announcement that the Israeli Israel embassy could be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Newly released documents have shown that the foreign affairs department was told just one day pride to be made public the embassies. They rush announcement to embassies told to upgrade travel warnings and boost security the documents show a fan, not of panic at it sparked and with Australia's neighbor, Indonesia, who of course, was a strong support of the Palestinian coils and left a major free trade agreement agreement which has taken years to put together and his worth sixteen point five million dollars in limbo. It's still in limbo. And there are signs that it might be signed this year. But it's it's oversee had quite a bit full out. The implication of this is. Government. That isn't absolutely well oiled, shall we say? Well, exactly an- an- as sort of also following America's lead in December. Scott Morrison, the prime minister did formally recognize west to as the capital of Israel. And he said he would set up trade defence office in the city. But it's it's worth saying this is largely symbolic. The Australian embassy will not be moved until the final status of Jerusalem is decided under a peace agreement, which of course, at the stage is is no way around. Is not going to happen anyway in the near future. Bye by looks of it. So he sort of left it created a bit of a an uproar about session, and then and then sort of left it as it is. Another story. Now this in the Melvin paper the age about the harassment and bullying facing female surgeons. Yes, well, this is this is a story that's making a lot of stray lien on newspapers at the moment. Women make up sixty percent of medical students in Australia and New Zealand, but just eleven percent of consultant FINA such a female. They anew study done in the UK Australia has told of huge amounts of sexual harassment billion contempt for motherhood, plus extreme extremely long hours in a massive lack of support which is driving woman out of perating theaters. The study says women often told to Mana, and there was a case that has made a lot of noise and Australia about a thirty one year old female, surgical trainee who recently was dined and put heart experience on a blog. She was told to work twenty four consecutive days on coal and when she complained about. Mental health and chronic insomnia. An inability to sleep she was dismissed as being quote, an emotional female on the way home from the hospital one day due to fatigue and sleep deprivation, she crushed her call a now, she's quit, and she was very promising young surgeon. So people saying what can we do about this? How we how can we support young surgeons, particularly young female surgeons, this is a great deal of attention. But the question will be what actions will be taken to address. What's been revealed? Well, exactly, I mean that talking about doing workshops, the New South Wales health minister is talking about cracking down on the hours that trainee sergeants have to spend the sort of huge amount of coal and and overnight service. And I think one of the biggest things is holding senior surgeons to account. What one form a trainee told the study? Ultimately, I didn't see mold in two choices kill myself leave and another another set I seriously considered driving my car up the road twice. I mean, these are very serious mental health implications for people doing a pretty important job. And I think the biggest thing that people are talking about is changing the top down from a billion culture to one. That's most supportive toes about this billion Chinese political Dona who extremely happy at having his ustralian residency cancelled. Yes. Well, this is like you said a billion a court Hong, Shan low who has given millions of dollars to buy the liberal and labour party's Australia, and he had pundit residency. He in Australia and citizen -application was was in the process. However, the government has now cancelled his Australian residency when he. Abroad these no longer. Welcome back in the country. He citizen -application has been refused. And this is largely due to a CR who is the Australian security organizations fear that he is peddling Beijing's influence peddling Beijing's influence. Come to this conclusion, and we'll start after presumably he donated all that money. Yep. Being what Jean ham for a while? I mean, he's hit back and said these Polat these polities actively sought amount and actively would him as it were cash. He's dead than to give it back to him. Which of course, is putting them in a very very tricky position. I think fears that he was Paul to groups such as the straight, Ian council promotion of peaceful reunification of China, which is of course, programmatic given Taiwan Hong Kong situation. And of course, Xi Jinping, president Xi Jinping is it's doing a much more hard line push into other countries to to to promote China, and he was use for that. However, he has hit back. He did a online rebuttal like I said daring parties for the donations. He's coded quite grotesque down. He's accused the government of racism and said that the decision was based. On founded speculations. He said, this is not the Australia that I believe in the Australian freedom democracy rule of law and fans. Purity that won't go down very well in China know, exactly, exactly. We'll see what the what the full out from. That is politically as well. Thank you very much motorcycles process won't vary that joining us. I was some of the stories that are making the headlines this Saturday morning. It is now in Sydney, thanks very much. You listening to the daily from oracle twenty four. Finally this evening. It is Friday, which means it's time for the global countdown. We'd normally be looking through the charts in one particular country bought it's the Grammys this weekend. So here's something different. Multiples financial vista chicken guides. Ben Reilly now through selection of some former witness of the coveted record of the year title. I will say that. I do find the contrast between years at the Grammys to be quite surprising. So I'm fascinated to see what we've got to install for this year. But I know we're going to take a trip back in time. I where are we going to we're going quite quite a few decades into the pulse. Don't we? Well, we're going to the first Grammys after Grammy and the category that I chose was record of the year, which I think would make sense for the global countdown. So choose five of Dan from different years, including. I five you're talking about the British boy band doesn't seem like. So chose five of the five previous winners of the record of the year, Kathy which things quite important, shall we? Go back to nineteen fifty nine nine teen fifty nine our member it well and ho- funny because in the first years of the Grammys, they were quite international as well. We're going to hear clip from Italian singer, Domenico Muna with Nel Blu the pink to the blue Volante. How fascinating no van. I it's funny because it's a sewn to be honest is to listen to time to time. My grandma loves it. It's beautiful again. I love the fact that one of the first winners of record of the year was so anytime in you know, it's funny now we're seeing sons in Spanish in the US. But for quite a few decades is being very hard. If you didn't sing English. It's almost impossible to crack the American music marketing away, but funnily enough wells have a little bit another international song from from another year nineteen sixty five the Sony sang in English. But of course, some Brazilian than thing. I know exactly what it is. I mean, I can't even have a long I'm not going to try because we're going to hear the Rio Fain it's the girl from the Panama with a stood you back to the Brazilian singer with American jazz musicians, ten GATS. From. His. But she doesn't see. That track is absolutely phenomenal. Again has been covered by just about everyone. I know Frank Sinatra did a very famous cover the Keat has done a beautiful vision as well. Which of course, was the boy from Eben, Emma? Uber's emusic changed a lot. But if stooges to Risco to real thinking, they are in the video of the girlfriend name drinking coconut wall to beautiful hat was there an actual goal from Apia that was written about there was actually and fund enough. Of course, the regional song was saying Portuguese. And there's been some slight modifications to deliver in English. So for example, you know, the very famous line tall, and tanned and young and lovely. This line is not in the Brazilian version in the in the regional version of the song of going to tell us the original translation, well, there's a little bit. So for example, in the region version, they say look that beautiful Feng that's walking in the streets. So she's not necessarily toe in ten I think it's already implied. Well, what else have you got on your list? I have a feeling my longest song. Then maybe not because there's a the name of a very famous American actress in the title, but he's kin cons with Betty Davis. I. She's coast yet. Henson. Baddie? I know that song very well. As just about everyone. Probably does I think that was famously covered by Gwyneth Paltrow oddly enough, which did chart in a stray Leah but nowhere else we are known for L questionable music Tyson. Yeah. Partly the actual Bette. Davis was quite a fan. But I mean, I understand betting that sense such a lovely tribute. Because it's a fantastic song. Let's skip ahead. Where else we off defender? Let's go to the nineties, and again wouldn't say is my favorite song of all time. But it's such a good track when you're driving around and his heart, and you just want to relax. I mean, it's of course, the Californian Sherry crow with all I wanna do. I mean from ninety five that was the winner of the record of the year Becky ninety five let's hear it. Cheryl cry. What a talent was everywhere in the nineties. She was one of those acts that really personified the nineties up there with I suppose, Alanis Morissette, and will to me Natalie Imbruglia, she was she was a powerhouse there in the nineties. I wonder what does she do? You know, I should have my research, but he's still relive. Yes. She had about of illness. So she was battling breast cancer for some time. And then has since discovered that she'd she'd had brain Huma, so she has had a battles with illnesses. But of course, you know, music was phenomenally successful in the nineties, and then on woods that she's that kind of talent where she's contributed so much to the world of music that she'd need not worry. Let's look at this year two thousand nineteen. So for example, before we used to have five nominees for each Kathy Griffin. Now, there's about eight of them. So yeah, it's becoming a bit tougher even wins of something like that. And this year, we have grates contestants childish convenient with this America. Which find it an excellent song? Do you know? I only recently this isn't barrister, but I'm gonna tell everyone on the radio. Now, I only recently discovered that don't glove and can be no other same person. I was aware of both of them. Just did not make the connection. I had the same. But mine was like two years ago. Thanks putting that out, but I chose a different track. And again, that's so my windy Oskar and the Grammies in my opinion. It's lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper with shallow from the soundtrack of stars board. I'm so happy that that is in your countdown, perhaps less happy that all of that excitement that we felt when a star is born came out has faded away. It's not by any means a front runner the big old anymore. I think we'll get some perhaps best to regional song for sure you know, that category was completely wiped off my right of the year that deli pot and was nominated for travelling through which she donated not donated. But you know, she gave to these on-track to TransAmerica starring Felicity Huffman. She was also a nominated that year full in the best actress category the song lost to it's hot out here for a pimp and look fine fine. If you're a supporter of that song fine, but deli patents track was right up that it was a beautiful beautiful track. So to me wiped off come on lady win, you'll be happy been maybe maybe maybe that'll be the revival for me some Grammy highlights from oracle Fernando, Augusta Shek. Oh, and. Ben Riley, and that dynamic partnership Brittan in literally moments with a Eurovision special has straight votes on who they'll send the big event in Israel this year. They'll be listening to each of the ten acts vying for the job molecules Eurovision Australia special is in a momentary monocle twenty four. There's an encore presentation Saturday morning at eight AM London time if you're listening in Melbourne nineteen hundred but that's it for this edition of the daily. It was produced by Ben Reilly toehold are such as -bility and Rory Goodrich and Christians offs GM manager for me pull us. Thanks.

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"The peace. The best. I n last the podcast. Reineck boarding. It is first last ESPN radio ESPN app. Gory noca- what for the next couple of hours getting ready and set we're going win go that comes your way at six eastern. We're always, of course, presented by progressive insurance and all of our guests. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line lot to get into including a former Steeler letting it be known. What happens inside the Steelers locker room as it pertains to Big Ben Ryan Clark what he had to say coming up. And then of course, the raging debate to sit or not to sit if your Zion Williamson after blowing out shoot that marquee game. I am still sitting here in the state of North Carolina two days later, not that I ever actually considered it but thankful that I didn't spend a single dollar on the Duke Carolina game. Let alone the three thousand dollars plus than many people were spending. We'll get into all of that will take your calls as well at anytime feel free to chime in eight say ESPN, eight eight seven nine three seven seven six. But after for too long of an all star break NBA games are back in they came back last night. Just a few hours ago. Of course, the west coast games ending about three hours or so ago, and there was drop. I'm. I mean, there was drama in the king of the. You know, I'm gonna play. I just it's the funniest sound. I think I've heard all week. Let's hear it again member this Wednesday Nella abroad and the Lakers play last night. And we'll get into that game. And all of that. And what happened but safe to say he was activated. This was Wednesday. He's been quite a while for me that I've been under five hundred also break, I don't remember last time. So, you know, my my level of intensity has to be. Fortunately for me because I don't like to do it at such an early time bit different. But it's been activated. So look for the San we can. Oh, thank goodness. It has. I was I tell you this up until Wednesday during okay with you first last I had long been wondering. Win. It would be activated. Now, we know that it's activated, and we can all rest assured that LeBron will now suddenly become a more intense player. We can all. Rest again, frankly, I mean, I lost sleep. I had been unproductive at work because I didn't know it was activated. And now it's accurate. It's now that we know it's activated. Houston was in town plant whose Lakers last night and LA trying to get back to five hundred a win would do that. And I wonder if they could get this win. Would he flip the switch now be deactivated? Because it's a big deal that he's under five hundred this. Okay. I'm I'm done being a spy. I'm sorry. Four or five in the morning. I'm little testy. It's all I'll get past this. Let's get into the game LA Houston in town. Lebron James big time shots in the fourth quarter James in half court works as the three point line with mine against Capello with three drives to the free throw line into the lane shot. Shop right there, man. Hang in the air forever. Twenty nine points for James four point Laker lead. That's what he ended up with twenty nine points, eleven rebounds as called by marquesses, you're at ESPN radio. Lakers. Get the win over the rockets won eleven one. Oh six and they did it after trailing by nineteen midway through the third. It's LA's largest comeback. Win of the season. They went on a seventeen four run at one stretch of the fourth quarter to get the win. Brandon Ingram, by the way, not to be twenty seven points thirteen boards for him. Yes. James harden, got thirty finished with exactly thirty. So the NBA record streak of thirty two the record streak, but only only wills done longer thirty two straight games now at least thirty points, but he struggled from downtown. Just two for ten. So the Lakers get to win they're back to five hundred but it was drama in this game. And it and it came. In the form of what clearly is continuing hostility between some of the rockets, including Chris Paul and James harden and referee Scott foster in this game. Chris Paul fouled out. James harden fell down Paul and head coach Mike dantonio both got late technical fouls. And this is something that's been brewing for a while. In fact, we'll listen I to James harden and the issues he's having with this one particular official in a very well known in the NBA Scott foster. Talk about officiated and everything like that. But just just rude in an area. Nt? I mean, you are able to talk to them throughout the course of a game. And it's like how do that relationship with the fficials? And it's not even that call like his is just know who he is on that floor pretty frustrating. And I mean, I'm piling hit. But honestly, I don't really say anything, I'm pretty quite God's myself. But one of those things where you can't Bush Cam conversation with some of the -ficiating the game. And you know, you're getting your take. It's pretty. Yeah. And you wonder too how close how close the all of you during okay with your first and last I don't how much you all watch particular officials. I don't I I know the names of most of them, I do not watch them closely. I do not see if there is interaction. I do know that there are certain players that complaint. And I like harden so I don't wanna like rip him, and I'm not trying to this is part of the game. Lebron does that Russell Westbrook? Does you get a lot of that? You know, every time there's contact the arms go flying in the air, the player looks as though he has literally just seen a ghost in, you know, and it happens in in Paul does it and hardened as it's when you look at the rockets a particularly those guys are complainers, no question. But part of being an NBA fischel that believe is that you do to them to hear them out Chris Paul beyond frustrated now, I mean how I don't know what else to do. And met with the league winning before August. I don't know what else do. I just don't know what else to do. Keep playing on don't know too. Yeah. Frustrating. No question, and I would expect the league at some point to step in because there is a push to improve player official relations there were meetings last year about this. It was a priority of the league in Adam silver. And hopefully, perhaps this comes out of something. I'm not, you know, and I realized players will complain about officials. I do but I also realized that for forty eight very intense minutes, especially when you're intensity switch is activated. You want to be able to have a constructive conversation here and there with officials and Scott foster apparently over time is one that that's been difficult to do with. Meanwhile as the Lakers get a win. There was another big game in Oakland that impacted them. Because remember the Lakers are chasing the clippers and the Sacramento Kings for a playoff spot, you take the Lakers win combined with this result as the kings took on Golden State. And now you've got a one game difference between the kings and. The Lakers for the nine spot in the west Steph curry was on fire for Golden State screen for curry. I'm Bagley backed him over the dribble. Takes three over the top him down. One seventeen eleven Curry's got thirty four. He's got ten threes tonight. He ended up with thirty six ten of sixteen from downtown which anybody else, and you're like my goodness ten threes. It's just another game for Steph curry you heard that ninety five seven the game seven assists in the game as well. Golden state. It's a two point win one twenty five one twenty three over Sacramento. The lead was a little bigger in the fourth king's made a late run Golden State held them off. But there was a concern here. And there is a growing concern with the warriors is it comes time for the postseason the bench. They got fourteen points out of the bench starters one hundred eleven points. The bench gave him just fourteen Igwe Dala with nine leading the way. Everybody else on that bench five total points. So look, I realized curry Katie who had twenty eight points seven blocks five of those on Marvin Bagley in the first half alone. You're fine. You've got incredible. The starting five there's obviously none better. Philly included in my opinion. But over the course of a postseason to have this little production from the bench. I think should be a bit alarming again fourteen point from the warrior bench, and it was a topic of conversation with Steve Kerr after the game your Dench players. Do you think it's been problem at the finals, not the play? If I must going find those because if they pepper Mus. Mus finals. Final. We're talking about the finals. It's a great clip. I love Jim more. Well, well, Steve Kerr loved it in gym or one of the great sound bites of all play offs. Playhouse? Between that and Alan Iverson practice. Yes. Steve Kerr appreciates the great soundbites ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Pick from range of coverage options with the name your price tool to find a price that works for you. So those two results in the west Lakers. Win warriors win kings lose again. Now you've got the Lakers activation, which yes, it's there for LeBron one game behind the kings for the ninth but two and a half behind the clippers for the final playoffs. But in the west that's not all by the way. What you heard from Steve that there's better sound than that you're going to hear there is better sound it is you know, LeBron's activated. That's great. That was the silliest out. I heard all we the best sound. I heard all week is coming up in a matter of moments from a hollow Famer in the sound came before the warriors game in Oakland. And it is hysterical that in the biggest game in the east from last night and its potential impact. All of that straight ahead. Dory know with you it's first and last ESPN radio and the ESPN app first. And last the podcast is first and last ESPN radio and the ESPN app Dory. Noko activated good to be here. Getting you through a little bit of the long awaited return of NBA regular season games after a all star break day too long. But that's just me. They wouldn't think who wouldn't think it's too long. Don, Nelson would not think it's it's too long. None of the hall of Famer the head coach of many many franchises was in Oakland last night. And he was being honored. Former warriors of the past cluding, Jason Richardson, Steven Jackson were there and done Nelson. Who you may remember as I would say maybe a bit of a fun loving head coach a lot of success and a lot of years coaching. Don, Nelson was asked before. Well, you'll hear the question. He's been busy. Let's say this. Let's catch up with Don Nelson Nellie is. He's better known on what he's been doing over the last few years. Really about what you've been doing after basketball coach. I know you live for y you're eight so. Campa. Played coach. But anyway. Legal ever man and knowing that. Oh my goodness Nellie. How good is that? How? Devin Carter one more time. Let's one more time. It's the best side you'll hear all day. And it's only four twenty in the morning eastern. One more time. Title really about what you've been doing after basketball coach. I know you live for why you're eight so. Numbers. Coach students anyway. Time for legal and enjoying that. Nelly. Here's the thing too. You can hear this and get a real appreciation of the honesty, and then and again wherever you are whenever you get in front of a tablet phone, computer. Finding image of this finally Nellie. You would. Yes. You know? It's Nellie and he seventy eight years old. But I'm telling you, man. He's got the long hair. The long chain. The cool. Seventy eight year olds like cool is grandpa ever. I mean Nellie, by the way, I was looking for more information on this. I really have not followed Nellie much post basketball. So I saw that the New York Times in an interview with him last year, actually, Nellie grows his own stuff. Now, he calls it Nellie Kush to quote, Don, Nelson in the New York. Oh, it's great. Great stuff. It's called Nellie Kush. It's oh, gee, Hindu Kush. Hindu. Kush is really good. It comes from India. And the guy that brought it over mix the two of them. So we've got Nellie Kush now. Hey, now, you know, he apparently also dabbled in high stakes poker games, Willie Nelson, Owen Wilson and Woody Harrelson. I mean is Nellie living the life or what? Oh my goodness. Don, Nelson, ladies and gentlemen, your hall of Famer being honest and not cared. She does not carry. All right. We eat for minute here. Again, last night, the NBA Doreen knuckle with you first and last is being radio ESPN app big game. Because this is what I was looking for to frankly, bucks and Celtics. This is a quite possible. If not likely second round postseason series suing neither of them stumbles in the first round was in Milwaukee. Good way to come back from the break Jaanus and company against kyri and his Celtics kyri back, of course, played in the all star game the knee had been bothering him before the game. But he's he's clearly back in these clearly okay now. And it came down to one final show, and it was in the hands of the right guy. Kyri Irving Boston down one final seconds ticking away in Milwaukee bounce passenger Irving. The top of the arc circles man with the Griddle runner down the lane. Spires no-go Milwaukee survives the last possession and wins by one and the season series, two games to one this and the Sean Kelly ESPN radio on the cold air. And that was I think that's a it's an interesting resulted. Great game it would be phenomenal series. But kyri coming up a little bit short be closely defended by Eric Bledsoe on the final play in drove the paint was their contact. Probably certainly was it. Something foul would have normally been called in a game, rob ably. But things change as you get into the final seconds not just in this game. But in the other game, here's kyri after after the game. Try to screen on move. I don't know if you have found or not on the web and then. And then I had three point five. Way. Money. Yeah. So he's not gonna say anything. But then you ask yacht us, and you get a rather expected answer. I thought it was going to was a clean shots. Yeah. I thought it was going to think even we worried that. I guess they were convinced he got fouled on that play where you. Yeah. We ought to think in for my view on think I. I don't think I gotta go see, but he was a clean shots. But he just missed it personally in my take. I don't know if you've seen it out there listening in radio land. I wouldn't call the foul. I'm good with the foul not being called. Now. If you put this game in Boston and not Milwaukee is it called. Could see it. But I'm okay with this in that moment in that game Jaanus, by the way, thirty points, twelve of those in the four, thirteen rebounds, six assists. Milwaukee gets the win over the Celtics ninety eight ninety seven those really the biggest games if you missed this Cleveland, Phoenix. I don't blame. You Cleveland got the win. Why is that big it only separates Phoenix from everybody else when it comes to that chase for the worst record in the NBA? But again, the bottom three all have a fourteen percent shot at getting the number one pick when it is said and done first. And last the podcast is first and last on ESPN radio. Doreen Ochowicz come hang one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at ESPN Dari, ESPN D A R. I we will dive into the to sit or not to sit discussion as pertains to Duke star Zion Williamson after Wednesday night's shoe blow out and sprained knee. Get your take on that as well. And we will. Wanna go to what you thought of Ryan Clark last night or yesterday? And we'll play that sound for you. We're being brutally honest about guy that was quarterback of his former football team, Ben Rothlisberger. Eight say ESPN if you want to chime in eight seven to nine three seven seven six and the story is follows Antonio Brown. The wide receivers take that big band had a quote unquote owners mentality that you couldn't say certain things too big band, or it could only cost you your your paycheck. Big band is in many ways unapproachable the Big Ben would say things that. Other players would not be able to say to to people just from a human being perspective. What exactly did Ryan Clark say? This was I thought this was interesting and great insight from a guy not afraid to upset his former team and props to Ryan Clark for that. Here. He is on golick and wingo in this situation. There has been no currency mates. That have come to defensive Ben Rothlisberger. When Antonio Brown kind of took off on him publicly to that's the prize. You. No, it didn't it didn't. I've been very public. Now, I'm a huge fan of been earned some currency with me that not many people can't. And I've said this many times about him though. Leading is not natural forbid, Ben wasn't a natural leader in ways that we think of quarterbacks of teams, right? You know, you see quarterbacks teams, and you think okay? This is the guy that's going to lead by showing us how to work this guy that's going to protect and take care of players publicly, and privately he's going to do those things because that's what natural leaders. Do. That's not been some of these guys have been thrown under the bus during his weekly show. Some of these guys have been talked to in the building and then meetings about anthem protests in ways that quarterbacks or just people in general shouldn't talk to other people without getting punched in the face like those things. And so to say that I'm not that. I'm surprised that nobody came through defense. I'm not. Yes. PF NFL analyst and former Steeler Ryan Clark. You know, it's. What does that tell you? What does that say? I'll tell you what. The way he literally laughed before even answering the question caught my attention. And yes, and he was still he was giving credit to Big Ben and said, plenty of nice things about him. But no Big Ben is not a natural leader. And if you read between the lines big bend can be of jerk. Right. I mean. It's unusual during oak with its first and last ESPN radio is this unusual from athletes that have been successful from athletes that have been catered to from athletes that are absolute and utter superstars see part of being a star athlete is in many cases, a very very very strong and unhealthy ego. That comes with it because you are constantly told how great your you are constantly told how big of a fan. I am of you, sir. I don't want to bother you. But I just want you to know, I'm such a fan of yours. It is time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones, best networks, no contracts. And when you hear that enough, you start to think pretty highly of yourself, it's human nature, and if you don't have the right people in your life to bring you back down or. To remind you of the value of being a good person of not thinking of yourself in a way that is unhealthy or thinking that you are in any way, shape or form better than the random person in the car next to you just because you went a lot of football games. Then it would be easy to lose a sense of self self awareness is a really good trait to have and there are players athletes. There are celebrities movie stars musicians. There are plenty of TV and radio personalities who have absolutely zero sense of self who identify themselves, and I'm like preaching from pulpit apologized for that. But this bothers me a bit. Who identify themselves not because of the kind of person friend or leader that they are. But by the job, they have by wins by losses by whatever show, they might do or host or movies. They have been in the world is full of this. Does not surprise me that Big Ben would be like that at all. But think about this Aaron Rodgers same way. How many times have we heard teammates? And maybe this is more. Out of the public eye, criticized the way Aaron Rodgers talks to them treats them is unapproachable in many ways. Right. I mean, I've heard I've heard people say that played with the Packers that if I went to the coach or the GM of the ownership was Packers are at different in that sense. But and criticized Aaron Rodgers I'd be on my way out it happens. Great quarterbacks both of big band Aaron Rodgers. They may not be the best teammates. But that sometimes works. I mean, they both want Super Bowls. They've both had high-quality free agents. The wanna go play with them. What do you think? Tom Brady's like. If you're just a random player in practice. Maybe a run the wrong route been heart soccer. He has been radio talked about that one day. He was telling me a story when he was on the on the patriots try to make the team. I think it was late in his career. Ran a wrong route at practice and Brady, absolutely. Let him have it. And by the way, didn't know his name. But he wins, and he's a winner. And if you're going to be a winner guys are going to play for you. You don't have to be likable that is not what determines greatness, most of the time. It can certainly help. I think when it comes to chemistry, which is certainly a component of championships. But sports history is full of guys who were not likeable, but they won. And they want championships they wanted to absolute highest level. And you think about this in life because this is something we can probably relate to more. I've never been part of a great team at a high level. I don't know if you've been part of a great team at a high level. But we all. Have it sometime in our life worked tried to support a family tried to support ourselves? How many people in life? Have you worked for that have been successful people that have been completely and utterly unlikeable? I mean, how many times have you had a situation a conversation with your significant other or with your friend with your buddy in a bar, whatever it may be. And you're just like gosh. That dude is such a. Seriously. Like, how does he? How does he have the job? He has. How does he like why does the owner of the company like him so much jerk? He's an absolute jerk to people talk down to everybody completely condescending. I don't understand. It happens but live. All the time. Oh, why philosophy all the time? What are they seen that guy? But is he in her fun a nice person? And you'll have a nice person. You have to be nice person to be a successful person period end of story. Maybe that's Big Ben. Maybe that's Aaron Rodgers. Maybe in some ways. It's Tom Brady. Maybe that's forty percent of professional athletes movie stars musicians broadcasters that say it is forty percent. But it's part of society. You're not gonna like everybody not is going to be your Cup of tea. Some people might be what hustle is demanding Machado, folks. But that's life. But Russia Ryan Clark for calling him out a little bit. And big band will continue to win. The Steelers are going to be relevant. Yes. The next couple of years of his career if he plays at long will be a challenge. But. He'll be fine. Straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest, most dependable four G L, T networks, first and last podcast. It was that not the biggest letdown was then Wednesday night. Tickets are going for three grand Cameron indoor. For President Barack Obama in the building Ken Griffey, junior Spike Lee in the building SOG. Greg Olsen was in the building Todd Gurley was in the building, man. I mean, everybody wants to see Carolina Duke, and it's not because of Zach white. And it's not because of frankly, anybody else on the floor is greatest can't reddish. Orgy. Barrett company are. Now, they wanted to seize and less than forty seconds. And he is done. He is done Doreen ochre with first and last ESPN radio. A by the way, make sure tune in tomorrow night college troops Kansas battling Texas Tech jayhawks. Now, look like they could be in great position for a fifteenth straight conference title, which is wild did not look remotely possible. Even a couple of weeks ago. It is presented by peleton. Coverage begins seven thirty eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, but what a letdown Wednesday and do got throttled with outside on the floor throttle by UNC Goodwin for the heels without XIV. But. None of that matter. Right. None of that is the story. Now, the story is the Zion could have suffered a significant knee injury that could have. And I'm going worse case greatly impacted his NBA future his draft status all of it. And by the way, if you love the NBA, and I love the NBA many of you loved the NBA how much would that stick? If we don't get to see Zion at the next level and soon, right? I mean, what can he that guy those skills that build what is he capable of? I can't wait to find out. So the question is this though are we going to see him again in a Duke uniform because there are people far and wide saying, dude. The injuries day-to-day. That's a sprain. He got lucky. They got lucky everybody got lucky this, right? Except for those who paid three or four grand to go. Watch the game. You didn't get lucky buyer's remorse. Hello how you doing? Good friday. But there are so many people advising him on what to do or what not to do. Once the knees ready to go. And there are not many voices in this sport. That I admire more and that I respect more than the first one we're going to play for you. And that is my friend and a guy that I trust him mentally in a huge fan of that's SPN's college basketball analyst, Jay Williams. His here is his take on what Zion ought to do. Dia Williamson can do whatever he wants. He is his own man. But I can tell you one thing for a family like their family. You know, you have a chance to make a lot of money. That's a major major decision, and you have to be able to compartmentalize your love for the game as opposed to the long end of the game. Businesswise is it is is in Zion Williams is best interests with what he's been able to accomplish thus far in the season to come back into China play off a knee and. I don't think it is. If I were his adviser if I were an agent, I would advise him not to I think that would be the right business move for him. But once again is owned person he's going to do what he wants to do. Yeah. That was j will get up, and you gotta think about J will j wills state at Duke at least a year longer than he needed to. When he was a player of the year and came back national player and came back. Of course, then had the the horrific motorcycle accident after being drafted second by the bulls. We never really got to see what that guy was able to do in the NBA. But you know, I think his words are interesting. But again, it's up to it's completely up designed DeMarcus cousins of the warriors former Kentucky wildcat giving his take on the college basketball situation. College basketball. Was. Karem does nothing. You're a number one becoming proving. You know, you're ready for the next. Mafi nor what I'm obviously love at that age. Enjoy the moment. Enjoy experience. So many risk of all to get to the so. So. Was bethlehem. See this is Doreen oak with I in life. This is where I think it's like we all have opinions on this DeMarcus cousins, don't play it. Right. Jay will he's I don't play again, various other players Scottie Pippen has said it is e Thomas has said it. Trae young has said it dude sit right sit action that works Darren reveal former ESPN ran a poll on Twitter just asking fans. What should he do? Sixty three percent of them. Almost two-thirds of them said Zion. Sit. Others are saying why would you play? I mean. College football players are sitting out bowl games. Why would you need to play the rest of the season? Okay. No college football player has sat out a playoff game that has not happened yet. And I hope to goodness for the sake of what I happen to think is the greatest sport of the planet that that never happens. This would not be like sitting out a bowl game a national championship contender and favourite was I on the floor. So if Zion, and this is what? Ziona said he said it a couple of months ago, even if I didn't have to go to college I have gone to college because I wanna play at least he's in college basketball. He said I play basketball because I love the game. I loved Duke I love coach K, and I don't wanna let my players down. These are all things that he has said. So we're really going to kind of find out now, we're rubber meets road. Here. Does he stay with that? Does he not play? Like I want him to play because I love watching him as a college basketball player, but at the same time, I am not in position in either you or neither is anybody else to tell Zion. Williamson toot. Don't play if he loves it as much as he says he'll play again he'll play again. Although I. Would be one hundred percent understanding if he did. But here's the question without telling Zion Zion should do. 'cause I going gonna do what he wants to do. What would you do? You blow a sneaker out? You've got to at least have images of all my goodness. My career is over flashing through your brain for at least a moment. But now, you know, it's a sprain. It's day-to-day. You could go out and play in a couple of weeks you could play in the tournament the NCAA tournament. It's the greatest sports event in the world. What would you do? Thank you for listening to first and last podcast. You can listen and subscribe to all ESPN podcast in the listen tab of the ESPN app. First and last.

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Ryan Selkis: Too Many Variables  Understanding the Lasting Effects of COVID19

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Ryan Selkis: Too Many Variables Understanding the Lasting Effects of COVID19

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Which is Talk about the current virus. Because it's on everybody's mind of course and well who better to on the show in the crypto space to get that? Croatia virus crypto overlap than Ryan. Lucas who's been quite vocal about the corner virus on twitter and on his blog and get super. I have been asked pretty obsessively following topic now for quite a few weeks and You Know Ben Ryan's news. Excellent newsletter misery. People noticed subscriber to their highly recommended. It was one of the first. There was a few kind of places that I go alerted his fall. It was like Jae Gwan of Cosmos who is very early on studied tweeting about this is Ryan Celicas. Who started writing about it on his use slider and he's done a fantastic job with kind of covering this. Yeah we had Ryan on and can talk about this topic in super important at this point. Probably most people have realized but It's yeah we do seem to be a a really critical point. Both in terms of you know on on a lot of different metrics so in terms of like how the markets have your acted Although it could go even worse but We've seen a significant effect on the market but also just in terms of how states are starting especially in the West are starting to react so you know in in Europe like where we live and also in the US although to varying degrees of severity. I'd say an urgency. Yeah so in. The podcast really covered a lot of different stuff You talked a little bit about why these things become you. So deadly. What what the what. The scenario is are in a really negative scenarios. Here also talked about containment and why Ryan is actually very bearish on. This thinks it kind of like missed the boat in this going to be a or there's going to be a deep pain coming especially in the. Us Way he's focused lot of his intention on. We talked about what you can do to protect yourself We talked about defensive response. Government response markets. On that end. We talked about what it means for. Crypto MATES TRIP TO STARTUPS. What it means for the CRYPTO market with Bitcoin. And Yeah we talked also about what's GonNa Happen in the long run you know where are the opportunities here how it might drive some change and maybe some good things coming out of this in the end even does probably what is ahead in. The next. Six months is going to be pretty dark but having in the end is always opportunity in crisis and this one will be no different. Yeah that's true. I mean there's always the light at the end of the tunnel and just. How long has that tunnel? How dark does get and we start seeing. The light is I think the question on a lot of people's minds right now. I mean like we talked about this during the podcast so this is slightly tied to you. Know what I talked about on the bonus episode last week about. Hcc is that well you know a lot of us who were at C. E. R. R. Sake or maybe are worried that maybe we've contracted something and question for me. For instance as okay. Well I'm sick. I was sick before we see see. I don't have any severe symptoms but at which point do I go outside you know. Is it when I feel better? And at that point how do I know that? I still don't have a virus or that. I don't I haven't contracted something then. I'm not just as dramatic so there's a lot of questions I think the people have and I think until people's confidence that this is really gone starts to to increase than you know. People are just going to stay indoors and not much will happen on that note. There is a because I was. Atc You were to. 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Tokens is worth ten dollars in free trading per month which means you start on the platform with a thousand bucks and free trading. I mean that's that's a great deal. You can connect your let your wallet your treasure or your key. And if you've been listening to this podcast for the last little while you know that we're giving you a three key hardware while to anybody who feels that our survey at epicenter dot rocks slash survey so go to Beta that shape shift dot com to get started and be sure to do our survey to get your freaky and with that. Here's our interview with Ryan Circus. Ooh We're here Ryan Lucas. Ceo of Missouri. Thanks for joining us today. Right so beautiful day the neighborhood yeah. I'm so happy agreed to join us today. We're going to finally speak on this podcast by the topic of Corona virus covered nineteen. You Know I. I've been following this helping. I guess intensely may be for three of the month for something like that but also just wanted to thank you for being really early in covering this topic super well and informing decrypt community in and you listeners. So we just very well about this so thanks so much and thanks for coming on today. Shirt thanks for Thanks for having me on Dander disclaimers. I'm not a doctor. I'm not even that smart but I am smart enough to listen to biology when he calls me and he tells me to pay attention to something that could be a global pandemic in late January. So all credit there. I'm just happy that I was able to provide a bit more megaphone. And fortunately they've got an audience where some folks have listened to me cool so let's start a little bit of background on this. When did you start looking into corona virus? And why did you feel you wanted to talk about this? Publicly is funny I kinda had. This is almost like out of a pandemic horror flick I was I was working out right before. Meeting in mid January in San Francisco is at under the One of the gyms right across the street from my hotel and I you know I'd finish your a set of my workout and I look up at the. Tv I just see the Shiran on CNN. Talking about the the Wuhan Corona Virus. confirms x number more cases or whatever it was at that point meal like twenty or thirty Because it was still small numbers and I didn't really think much of it but I was starting to at least pay attention to it thinking about you know what that might do for the global economy because for a while. I think I've been waiting for some sign that we could tip into a recession after a twelve year. Bull market it. It's you know what goes up. Must come down eventually at least at at times and a week or so later. I had a conversation with with Dan. My co-founder where he was say. Hey are you are looking at all this you know we. We might want to come up with some contingency plans for Massari or think about you know work from home policies or one we would pull the trigger if this thing spreads and at the same time so biology tweeting about apologies investor in Missouri. And I shot him a note and and said your tweets are freaking me out a little bit. What's going on? Is this you know how bad is singing? To be ended up calling me and him. We spoke for better an hour half and he kind of walked me through everything that he was reading and and gave me some initial to poke through and once I went through the Johns Hopkins Dash born in some of the other. You know off the shelf. Materials that Men of the folks that were earlier. This were thinking through twitter accounts that were smart. You know Different blogs that were covering this I spent about twenty four forty eight hours just pouring through everything and then then kind of quickly went down the rabbit hole and frankly a lot of my responsibilities. On sorry and Crypto side Started to fall by the wayside that week and more or less the pause button and delegated more team medicated. That I'd be delayed with with some of the things that I know people because I felt this was something at not not even as a public service that I had to to push. I thought might be potential Black Swan events that would impact our business back the industry and and even if it was just a ten percent chance case at that time it was going to significantly impact the plan travel. We had since we were thinking about a trip to Hong Kong to to Singapore and to Beijing in March and early April. So I guess the timing was with somewhat lucky because there was business reasons for me to look at this from a a travel perspective but it was also fortunate that the biology and joined lash around and generous with his time. I wasn't thick enough to just ignore it and carry on. Well let's let's I mean most people that will listen today so everyone will have at this point kind of like her little bit about Corona virus included nineteen. But I think it's still were if spend a little bit of time here to just explain what's going on here and you know why this could have such a massive impact on the world it already. It already has it already. Has Yeah no matter what happens. I mean even even if there was a young miraculously turn of events and this thing just dissipated with the warm weather which most health experts seemed to not believe that's wannabe case and are planning for the worst case scenario Some some hospitals in the US the the best guess epidemiology of this is that there could be half a million deaths from the corona virus in the US. But let's just say for the sake of argument that this thing dissipates. With the warm weather in the next couple of months and we're kind of nearing the peak of fear in the in the broader market. Well that doesn't really change the fact that we did you a half trillion dollars of Q. E. and ray and then slash race to zero. It doesn't change the fact that we've got this. Unprecedented stimulus is probably going to be bigger than the than the troubled Asset Relief Program. Tarp in two thousand eight bailouts. It doesn't change the fact that's Restaurant workers five and a half million of them in the US median salaries somewhere in the low twenty thousand two hundred twenty five thousand dollar range. Their jobs are at risk because restaurant businesses. Now thirty five percent year over year this weekend and it's declining and really falling off a cliff and it doesn't change the fact that you know a lot of folks are going to be. Massively disrupted because of the foreseen. Healthcare costs There are very much in the air in terms of how that gets paid for Were childcare costs. If they're forced to work from home or their kids your first home from school so no matter what happens my biggest focus at least initially was one of the one of the economic impacts of this thing anyway now unfortunately it also seems like the health impacts could be bad on an almost unprecedented scale. If this isn't taken seriously which is one of the reasons that I think I on and so many other people have taken the seriously and it comes down to healthcare capacity and The percentage of critical cases. So if you think all the way back to you know six whole weeks ago when John in the who they province the China was was shut down. They had four hundred forty four cases on January. Twenty third That city shut down on January twenty third and they took unprecedented measures to quarantine the population. There too in strict pretty draconian self-isolation schemes. They had fast you know dry through testing capabilities or building hospitals within ten days the Chinese were able to mobilize their national workforce in the medical community to to flock down to John and really handle on this thing and even with all. That's the case load went from four forty four into the eighty thousand ranger a little bit higher than that With several thousand deaths so they barely averted crisis. I'd say in an early days the fatality rate of of this novel Perron Virus in this flu virus it was upwards of six percent now. Disproportionately impacted the elderly. Disproportionately impacted men. Probably because they were smokers. And and there's no major social imbalances in in smoking rates in China Bites. Really with that rate signified was that the healthcare system once he gets overrun. There's kind of turning back. In terms of how battle the critical cases can can get and with this disease in particular every single piece of literature or every single medical expert or epidemiologist that that you know I followed and tried to job as much information from the past six weeks in. It seems that the critical case rate is is at least ten percent price. Closer to twenty percent of what you could chunk of those are gonNA have to spend time in the ICU and that gets especially exacerbated if you have co morbidity or are otherwise more susceptible to this in the US and the West. That's very bad news. We've seen now is happening in Italy with their healthcare system more or less being overrun and And you'll be here in the US. It's been surreal last couple of weeks and last week in particular watching you know The national address from from from trump followed by the the Thursday market selloff and then he inexplicable rebound on Friday. It doesn't really seem like many people are versatile taking this seriously. It's uncharted territory. But we'll we'll say and as I felt from day one hoping that I am very wrong about this and just being a little bit of a chicken little here. Yeah Yeah 'cause I mean just Characteristics thing that make it so hard to contain the one hand we have something. That's like extremely infectious. Some of that can be transmitted without people. Having symptoms at so people spreading are being aware of it in goes by far they quickly and then of course he is just a severity as he as you pointed out that a lot of people either die or they have to go to the hospital to get medical attention. as we've seen in China to leave Iran may be that the additives completely overwhelm stay response and then now re we have. We are now seeing a lot of responses like let's say here. Bruin schools all closed kindergarten or closed like events basically. Everything's getting cancelled Disease there is now. They're starting test like widespread. Today's this response coming. I guess the key question is going to be and I think that's sort of what you alluded to write with. When they started doing that. You know it's too late. And whether the responses are like strong enough What's your take you so your your opinion is that at least in the US. It's it's too late Which countries are going to be able to kind of still get this under control versus not? I mean I. I've no idea but the thing is. I don't think anybody really knows. I just the only thing that I can really speak to is at my my perception of a lack of seriousness or board On the part of many in the West and in the US in particular. And I do think a good chunk of that has to do with the political polarization of this being an election year. An extremely a one of a kind never before seen president in the US maybe in terms of the way that he communicates and and you know makes decisions and The the piecemeal approach is maybe the the scariest thing when Wuhan was shut down and the Chinese were able to mobilize the thousands of personnel and ship equipment and do these Really incredible and been credibly rapid countermeasures to prevent a broader nationwide outbreak They were dealing with the epicenter and it started in the city of one and the US and and throughout Europe. You're seeing this now. There's a chance that multiple cities hit Wuhan like levels at the same time but with nowhere nearer the flexibility speeder or Existing capacity to actually keep an outbreak in check. Once it's actually spread. You know what's happening in testing in the. Us's I you know. I think it's a national disgrace. How slow we've been to roll that outs the UK is seemingly made. Its Bet that You know the the Brits are GonNa need herd immunity for this. And everybody's going to get infected and look at. That's probably true. But if you get a couple of this calculations wrong and you know the infection rate accelerates and you can't you know quote Unquote Flat Curve. Then you know the system gets overrun and your critical case. Load instead of it. Being you know one percenter path percent fatality rate. It it ends up being close. You know three four five percent which which is a lot worse and the thing that you know freaks me out a little bit. You know just speaking personally. I mean I'm in. I'm in pretty good shape early mid thirties. But I've I've had asthma. Most people don't know how fucking scary it as you can't catch your breath hike. They have no idea. It's unclear whether even some of the people that fully recover if they ever get their lungs back because right now the severe cases that have come out of the hospital the have recovered you know. Many of them are still showing permanent damage or at least significant damage. It might take a long time to rebuild in their lungs. I think there's also a perception issue with how this affects people at lower risk. So I don't know if you've followed this journalist at the New York Times Donald J McNeill. He talks about this massive study that was done in China where a large percent of the population was only what they called like mildly affected by this but like the criteria for mild. Goes all the way up to pneumonia. I think like most people. Pneumonia is not a mile. Like mild symptoms are like mild effects of virus and then the other thing is to just people that have asthma. Might have high blood pressure or diabetes or smokers for instance you might be affected by this in far worse than than people were sort of better health or you know. Aren't smokers a measure when this episode is going to go out with a viral clip? That was just out yesterday with McNeil on Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and yeah and there's a six minute clip where he talks about tactically speaking. What the Chinese did that was affective and why they were so effective. In some of the Asian countries have really been ahead of the curve on this and His nine-day Congress in the US is criticized trump for breaking families apart up immigrant families while the Chinese have done it and they've managed to curb the growth of corona virus. Right Americans are spoiled. Everybody knows that we come to other people's country and we wear like US era t shirts or boisterous and and obnoxious. And I just generally think that we've had it so good for so long that no one has any appreciation for what could becoming. Hopefully it just disappears and there some key variable the no one really thought of or the virus mutates and it becomes less deadly or you know whatever. Let's hope that that's the case but so far you know hopes a pretty fucking stupid strategy. If it's not acting in any reality and there are ways you can help yourself instead of just relying on blind faith or hope that way to get through the other side. What is the best strategy protecting yourself and your family practically speaking? I don't think anybody really knows all the science around the transmissibility and and kind of you know when you're at risk or who's most wrestler susceptible to good news as I've tool boys and this doesn't really seem to be affecting kids. That's good news. My wife and I knock on. Water are relatively healthy. Like I said in and young. So that's good news by down. Just tell you you know. From our part We've got Several months worth of food and provisions. I feel like every single week. That goes by where things get worse. I Adam months or two of provisions so we're exponentially growing our provision as things get worsens that have just like dipping into it like some people might be tempted to and then just you know self isolating right so last that I have made her have to make one more quick trip today and this is the march fourteenth. We're talking about is just prepping our balcony so at least we have some outdoor space for the kids can run around. But I'm not anticipating. We'RE GONNA be spending much time with other people in the next couple of months. That's probably the biggest thing is is. Just you know going out and for people that are in the city that that sucks. And that's why. I think it's going to be that much harder to contain because the weather getting nicer especially in cities like New York. The winters are awful right. Everybody looks forward to spring. And Just Gavin. Fever wants to get outside. The weather's getting nice at. Maybe the exact wrong time. Because now everybody's GonNa want to go out and then congregate so you know. Just staying put where we are as is probably the best bet and just minimizing contact with everybody else. The only thing above and beyond that that we sprung for. I do have some masks but I didn't them. I don't have like a Zillion of them. I have enough in case we need to do like runs or my wife's pregnant so I am assuming that we're going to continue to go to her prenatal. Hobie appointments and and if she needs them more were needed to take her then. Don't we have those disposal but on that is just you know having plenty of food and wasting time with anyone except for in virtual reality which we can talk about so i. I think this has been sufficiently dark so far. Maybe let's get darker we can keep getting darker. I think the one thing that I'm very happy that I did with respect to our company and team is we bought. Everybody oculus goes by and a couple of US Actually Sprung for the. The quests the slightly more expensive and I gotTa tell you. I'm not a Gamer. I've not been in. Dvr I've not played a video game and probably two decades. Since I started playing sports instead of video games when I was in middle school. And they're just wild and the teams loved him so far so we've done the R. hangouts So the the managers doing one on ones in VR. Just a little bit more interpersonal. You are fully locked in when you're in the matrix versus just being on zoom and then kind of going back and forth between twitter. Turn off the screen for a second and grab a snack. I think one of the better moves we made in the camp of. Okay this sucks. But how do we mitigate some of the social losses? So we all is. Don't go not sir. We don't lose productivity and and I think that extends both them into the workplace culture but also interpersonal by trying to encourage more of my friends To get these. Vr headsets before. There's a shortage and they're stuck reading books or something catastrophic like that. I've done a lot of the same thing so Vin last under three needs to something basically had almost no social contact and just being at home but the thing is definitely something to try out. I mean we're going to be hosting a ton of meet UPS You know we just Thursday. Did you guys know as run? Coined asking the built out the consensus series. So for the last three years. I've wanted to get back into the events game because I've done pretty well putting them on and people like the experience south for one producer before and be. I just know that it's it's you know. Great for economically great if people off in terms of community building business development and information flow. There are a ton of benefits to being very good at it then production particularly in this industry. But I didn't WanNa do is at an WanNa fill the calendar with another live event because wordy so full of events internationally Within crypto particular. This is change things up a little bit and and we were actually planning a small virtual events around blockchain weakened New York this may corona virus kind of kicked into high gear and we said well we needed thrust more resources at this eventually things got so out of control that of course now. A consensus has moved there. The`real summit online and quaint desk is move their summit online as well. So we're GONNA actually push back events but we have a ton of ideas for how to make a virtual attendee experience light years ahead of anything that we've seen so far. I think the platforms. That are interesting because of this forcing function to get more people into VR. There's a lot more that we're going to be able to do in terms of virtual hangouts and meet ups as well that aren't just like zoom violence. If people want to kind of stay up to date here is a website they can go to or main net dot events so may events who of course we'll put in the show notes. Let's dive a bit more into impact. This is going to have going on. You're on the world economy so some things obvious like right. Now we see your tourism is basically dead and is probably going to stay de for. I don't know six months at least and then you have other industries right like events. Concerts restaurants is a bunch of industries Very obviously hit. Obviously supply chains will with China's factory. Struggling Sadat is going to have a lot of impact. What is your take on? Just like what is ahead of us here. You Know Ari heading for a recession or depression on the scale of the financial crisis something even bigger than like. What do you think they're gonNa be the key determinant star? GonNa can of shape how back this will get. Well I think first you have to think about the impacts and whether it's already been bad. The answer's yes and there's a couple major differences between us and the financial crisis. The financial crisis in two thousand eight was entirely the result of weapons of mass destruction in the financial market the credit derivatives and Credit Default swaps in over leveraged derivatives ecosystem. That was ultimately a liquidity issue. You've seen some Federal Reserve stimulus and you're gonNA see some more fiscal stimulus in the US and internationally as a result of The pressures the corona virus. But you can't print your way to manufacturing at a greater clip. You can't print your way to more healthcare capacity. You could print your way to financial services companies having capital buffers and sufficient reserves. But you're talking about physical versus digital and twelve years ago it was about digital and eight years before that with knock. Com BUBBLE LEWIS. Who was very much the same paper. Gains evaporating wasn't cogs in the machine grinding halt which I think is very different so yet so much of how bad this gets I think ties back to how effective some of the major Western economies are at containing this and avoiding the worst case scenarios. Or of course the next couple of months and then after that how quickly capacities able to come back online. It sounds like From what I've read and it's actually hard to get good information out of China right now just because of the the information groundswell and flight is all focused on West. Now so I've actually been trying to go out of my way to figure out what's going on in China at least from an economic standpoint. Because if they're able to turn it all their factories and capacity back online and shipments are able to start coming back through then at least from an economic standpoint. Perhaps some of the fallout can be mitigated. I think this is at least as bad as two thousand eight but honestly my guess is good as anyone else's Anon- economist. But they don't fuck they're talking about either and they certainly didn't a month ago so it's very overused term and frankly. I was a little bit wary to come on and talk about the subject beyond already written which is much more thoughtful Just because I know people are going to say well. You're either medical professional economist Epidemiologists public policy expert or whatever but with Black Swan events like this. No one really knows everybody's just winging it and trying to use commonsense to put the puzzle pieces together and I think the one reason I feel not confident but at least comfortable talking about this if I'm wrong that's a good thing number one and if I'm not wrong then at least I've been able to tick and tie and footnote all of my assumptions and were all my belief. Serve you know getting informed in an incoming from one thing. I've been pondering and debate curious. Would you take is an intuitive ties into? Like what will happen in China as well. So we have these social distancing measures now and you know they increasingly getting more severe stepped up and you know. Let's say they will manage to decrease infection rates a lot and hopefully get this under some sort of control and you know. I guess we'll see how bad it is but one thing that is unclear to me is like when are you actually going to be able to say we can relax dose again and we can go back to some sort of normal like rent? Can you say again okay? It's fine to have a concert with thousands of people or it's fine to have opened restaurants again to have a conference. Do you think this is GonNa take us. You know like a year and a half down the line mentors vaccines or will we be able to get their early. Ribs dislike widespread testing like. How did you see the the path going back to normalizing it? No one knows if you just look at all the information that's available today. I would find it pleasant but not to be expected surprise if things dissipated over the summer and we were ultimately able to contain and crush type of outbreak. I think you probably need herd immunity. He probably need most people to get this over a couple year period and or have vaccine released rolled out manufactured and ultimately distributed to Everybody needs it before you can truly feel confident that this is properly tamp down. I thought was the worst case scenario in my early posts. Which is okay. Let's assume fifty percent of the world gets US or forty percent. Just use round numbers rights forty percent of the world guests this as three billion people if two percents ends up being the fatality rate. Once you've factored in hospital overwhelm in some regions but you know lower fatality rates and others or kind of dairy building and when people get infection say it's two percents as one percent. One percent does thirty million people that die from us which is a pretty big number but sixty million people die every year globally. You're only talking about a fifty percent one time spike in the overall rate of Italians at the hopefully the worst case scenario. Yeah and some of those people were probably going to die anyway. Exactly like your probability of dying any given. You're in your eighties. Is You know in the double digits. If you're fatality rate from this is fifteen percent twenty percent whatever it's still only impacting your personal probabilities by factor of two verses. An Order of magnitude said that outcome is is ultimately not catastrophic from a global perspective. If it happens is just all of the secondary and tertiary issues that are arise from that. If we don't get the assumptions right and and you don't control the chaos if he can control the chaos and that's the worst case scenario is still pretty bad. A lot of people are going to experience pain and suffering lose family members bites at the end of the day. It's it's not crippling to the world order and and economic structures and it's not gonNA put us six us into a global depression than number variable you have to measure it. It's just complete chaos. Oh so no one knows and I think you would much rather roll the dice especially in the West where you have reserve currencies even if they get put under extreme stress. You probably want to roll the dice on over correcting in the short term. Because you can always print your way out of any economic hardship that Jarvis workers might have and then you can have a massive stimulus program on the back half of this to make up for some loss temporary growth just like you would like a hurricane or snowstorm or some other natural disaster. Which you know there's precedent for but the big difference of course is that you've never seen anything like this that would impact entire countries consonance global population wants normally. If you have a SU- Nami it can be very very bad. But it only impacts on region for fire saint thing as on so I would certainly put the The impact at somewhere between recession depression. If we keep walking up like we've been doing in the West the one thing that I will say though when it comes to Crypto when it comes to to start ups I think the one thing that this does is totally resets the start fundraising ecosystem so one of the couple highest impact. Things that I think Could Happen and the next couple of years for startups is at least yeah. I'll speak from a A. US centric perspective. The credited investor rules need to be relaxed pretty much immediately because you need more liquidity and more capital capable of flowing into the private markets in addition to the public markets. I think you need to raise the caps on reggae plus rake. Cf in terms of the amount of money Some of these companies can raise from non accredited investors because the venture capital market is completely up. And the other thing that you could do if you fix the credited investor rules you could open up. Some of the top performing funds and basically creates pools of capital from non aggressor non institutional investors that that could flow and much more easily so all of the venture funds that are trying to raise follow ones. Don't have trouble replenishing their own coffers. You're still going to have massive equity issues. But for any incremental improvements he can make to the fundraising process in to making it easier for startups. Not Matter cash is going to be pretty critical. I think overnight the entire started funding ecosystem is just completely reset. And that's going to have trickle down effects in the coming quarters years really as startups lay people off and even the best case to limit their of their pace speaking of trickle down effects I'd like to come back to the situation in the US and perhaps even more globally this situation in Western countries and how they've been dealing with this so the Fed just reduced interest rates to zero and injected a massive amount of the stimulus the economy in Europe. We're seeing a slightly different approach at least here. In France. The approaches is to sort of help small businesses and help people go through this crisis by offering To say you know pay their mortgage payments or the sort of thing but let's focus on the US for a moment. What does the Fed hope to do by injecting? All this new Money into the market and to allude something earlier like you know the the machines if the cog start turning because people aren't going out and eating at restaurants and going to work and producing. But what does that money do with four? And what can people expect to benefit from the stimulus? There's two types of stimulus. The one that was announced last week was the feds easing and kind of treasury interventions to drive down interest rates and just infuse unprecedent amounts of liquidity in the in the Repo markets. That's one thing right but like I said before. That only keeps the treasury market properly functioning. It doesn't necessarily have any impact on the mainstream consumer or individual. It's impacted that much. Bigger thing you need to watch for understand. Is how quickly some of these fiscal measures are going to get rolled out and how aggressive they are going to be. So that's I guess this stuff just passed last night at midnight so I haven't even our chance to catch up on it but I know that there is a pretty sizable package. That is on its way to the White House for signature and should include a combination of tax relief and variety of other measures that are designed to limit the blow for everybody in the US right now at least in the short term how effective those are dreamed of creating truck. General improvements is anybody's guess that again? It's if the entire global economy grinds to a halt for several months there are cascading effects to what that means for companies to think about keeping employees or laying them off when it comes to whether they're able to service debts are not. I'm sure you guys are probably in this mode. But I've cancelled a number of personal subscriptions just in the last week. We've got our personal. You know burn rates and our teeny budget is basically going zero right outside of like Netflix. And couple of the things for the home. Everybody's doing the same thing at the same time. And it seems like you'll have a massive short-term deflationary impact by what I think will be fascinating to watch is when this gets resolved. What happens next and this is kind of where the rubber meets the road. Forescent in the CRYPTO realm anyone. That's shield on twitter or wherever about bitcoin or or crypto being a safe haven during the global recession does doesn't know what they're talking about. Never did they probably never will for the most part the folks that I know. Trust respect that think about crypto was as investment asset class. I've never thought about this being a flight to safety. Or you know something that you want to own when all hell breaks loose like two thousand eight or or like we're seeing today but instead it's a hedge against all the other monetary systems failing in the background so if this only lasts a couple of months and unprecedented money printing revitalize the economy and the engine starts to get going again. Will we see sumter sees enter periods of hyperinflation or will we see people start to flock into bitcoin? Other crypto assets because their inflation rates are close to zero and by extension that makes us look more attractive investment than a negative yielding bonds. Which is going to be the norm. I think for quite a while and the US and Europe in particular. The title is podcast. Maybe just be too many variables. I keep saying it but all the mental arithmetic that I put on the back of Anakin and think about how this could play out. A best case. Scenario is governments. Take this extremely seriously. They rub up the printing presses. Throw you know unprecedented capital with this problem. Axion is developed a national treated we limit deaths globally to low single digit millions which puts this ten X as bad as global flu but still manageable and then we have a severe but short term recession in which after which I am everything. Start coming again and a chunk of investors. Once they're more comfortable will look at what's going on from inflationary pressures standpoint and at that point. Say We crypto allocations? So that's at least on the monetary side. I think there's a whole slew of things could be interesting on the on the web. Three these aside as well I think on that side. I'm also wondering unit. Just to what extent this will change in the long term the structure of markets relationship between government and private enterprise so in Germany Dave announced that the government will basically like Lynn money to like any business in trouble with the virus. I don't know exactly the parameters and stuff like that but I would not be surprised if the US writer government by trying to help the shale oil industry and if you have these massive massive interventions in markets are you basically saying okay. We're GONNA try to save all those businesses that would have been affected by crooner virus. Like how can you step back in the end if you haven't then all of a sudden Being credited to all these companies because they said they would difficulties recruiting service gives loan or maybe on the other side having defeated the government. Busy going directly into being in the stock market and buying up shares is just seems like a crazy world ahead of us. That's the best case scenario. Yeah in Germany and France will have a similar approach. Although they're not lending money specifically they're offering clemency to companies so that they don't have to pay all their social charges so basically charges you would pay for employees and things like that and they're also offering Unemployment benefits to all the workers for instance that are not going to be at work but the market has this. There's ability to weed out bad companies companies. That would fail anyway. But in this case at least in France like there's it's indiscriminate rates are like if any company like epicenter has employees in France and so we pay social charges we just need to send an email to the administration say like we can't pay these. Who knows maybe we would have. We were folded in three months anyway. But it's totally indiscriminate and so the the state is basically intervening in the market in a way that is absolutely unprecedented. It's like in two thousand eight right. You had too big to fail. And then they stepped in and said Okay. These banks we have to save. But what if it's basic the same kind of approach before all businesses? Everyone it's like. Nobody can fail when it comes to any type of fiscal or monetary response. I'm just GONNA perpetual state of Shrug Emoji. I think we lost the window. I think I think that people in the West are leadership in the West or so fucking cowardly that nothing positive is. GonNa Happen disgusted by. There's no leadership anywhere in the West. Bravado spoilt we don't take things seriously nobody understands the need to take things seriously until it's already too late because everybody likes to should on anyone that's being a turn the punch bowl and raising a justifiable alarm and then the best part is actually do that right. You may be prevented something catastrophic. No one will ever be the wiser. Say Oh yeah. Remember that that flew and we took it so seriously and and there was only like twenty thousand people with Diet. It's the same as the typical flu when really if you hadn't taken any action. While then millions of people would have died in the economy would have gone into depression. Those basically the two camps right now and then the third campus just like the hope and thoughts and prayers camp. I'll call them in the West as the same thing that we do after every single mass shooting in the US thoughts prayers but nothing actually changes so maybe one day thoughts and prayers alone. We'll be able to help us in a situation like this. It'd be nice if more people took it seriously. Were scared. Fucking lines absolutely agree. Well let's talk a little bit about markets so we've had An insane week in the stock. Market's if some fastest drop ever I think desktop p. five-hundred completely crashing and your sophomores everywhere at Treasury bond markets have also gone through an enormous amount of insanity until the crypto rights. Have you had crypto a crash Bitcoin remember was forty percent than a day. Would your take on. This has kind of like adjusted to the reality or amateur this lot of volatility. Still ahead but giving to some extent. It's kind of like priced in. What's ahead or not yet? I don't think anyone Jimmy verbals Oklahoma back just like it all depends on on the response. It all depends on what the what the rate of the slope is if things he accelerated in a negative direction. Then of course is not priced in if things start to laugh then. Yeah maybe maybe the worst is over from a market standpoint but I think crypto will probably be a leading indicator on on the rest of the market at this point. Because like I said I think crypto was GONNA get eviscerated like any other risk on asset. Which is really how straighted historically because so many speculators are in it for you know the hundred thousand or billion dollar upside long-term but you know once you've washed those weekends out the market in a liquidity crunch. You can kind of take a step back. And if the unprecedented economic stimulus that takes place over the course of the next six months year kicks into high gear. Crypto should be a pretty meaningful beneficiary of that at least when it comes to you. Know the monetary pitch and the correlated asset pitch. We haven't seen that we've never seen an inflationary recession. It's always been something that will thought about As as possible. It certainly why I invested early on notes. Why many other early people invested early on and quite frankly you know there. There are thresholds that I'm going to continue to to load up on on Bitcoin. If things get worse right the only reason wasn't buying more the other night when we had thirty nine hundred is because I was locked out of my count. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA name names as to which company prevented me from From accessing my capital trade if I say and as that window but there could be other windows like that in the in the days ahead and I'm not alone I mean I. There's a certain lower bound. I believe to the CRYPTO price. Because there's a die hard enough community of believers in this long term macro narrative that bitcoin provides where the nominal value of all total. Bitcoin will be low enough that someone will take cash and buy at at that lower bound price right and so you know right now. What are we one hundred hundred billion market CAP? Something like that give or take right. I injected right before we came on for fifty four hundred or whatever Let's call it one hundred billion in total market CAP. Well you know net out Saito. She's coins yeah. Maybe ninety billion of that has actually you know currently owned flicked if we go down to three thousand. Now you're in the fifty billion dollar neighborhood. It doesn't take that many deep pocketed investors. That are worried about gold. They're worried about their national currencies. That are worried about their governments in this type of global recessionary environments that that that doesn't get bit up. I don't know what the lower bound is but I know that there are different thresholds that I will personally back up the truck. I am a minnow compared to many other people that I've known in the industry that That feels same way. Yeah Agree. Let's be a little bit about the wooded long-term effects on this maybe from a societal perspective in terms of Changing how the world works. How MAY BE BUSINESS? Works and you alluded to Arab three as well. You know. What this means for Crypto like Opportunity here for crypto decentralized networks in the medium and long-term I'd written about this a little bit My Post on on Sunday night and I think everybody's talking about some obvious ones Remote first software. Vr online gaming online education ecommerce right anything digital or or requires less physical interaction. I also think that In terms of the losers San Francisco is maybe they're a an example of a city. That will will likely suffer some some pretty meaningful human capital shocks from something like this if a good chunk of workforce management moves remote. A good chunk of your engineering talent finally moves international and those local ties become less important than than this could accelerate. What is already a slow eb in the tech scene from from San Francisco and that could be much more acute in in the months quarters had and we've already seen it you know. Bunch of defections from within Crypto to cities like Denver and Austin and even New York rate from San Francisco. I think you know weird. You talked about the impact on historic ecosystem. I think this probably should be the death of the American Health Insurance System. It was just needs a radical override. I'm not advocating for any particular economic model but this kind of exposes all of the flaws are employer sponsored healthcare system. Which by the way folks. That are not American. Might not know is a relic of World War. Two because there were controls on on wages. People come back from the war and A loophole that employers were able to exploit was to offer other ancillary benefits employees to compete for talent post World War. Two so. This is an entire accident history. Right unintended consequence where employers would never should've involved in in healthcare first place evolved. There was a lot different now and probably make sense to retire. That given given the stresses that this pandemic is is likely to put on the US healthcare system if we pay the most per capita for healthcare and fail the most catastrophically in managing outbreak. I think it's fair to say that we should go and start the entire system from scratch. How likely do you think that is the I mean like? It's such a politically charged issue. That like do you think that even this can radically change the US healthcare system and as most fundamental level. I the questions. How many million deaths does it take right? If Harley people get infected case fatality rate is two percents and we hit that or exceed that and two million people or more die and their two three four week demise is ultimately live tweeted and broadcast and social media and blogs and it becomes permanently ingrained in the American psyche. I don't think there's any way that any American in crisis scenario like that could possibly think that the assistant. We have is acceptable alternative. Pardon me for sounding a bit grim here but just looking at the political landscape and again I'm not an American and I don't live in the US but who's most likely to benefit from the healthcare system and WHO's most likely to suffer the consequences of the healthcare system and how those people typically vote. I think it's probably across the board in older Americans. I think you were Republican right younger. You know more more liberal but in terms of healthcare coverage younger more liberal Lower income so I think it's it's it's across the board. Got A lot of different demographics in that when you're talking about something as massive as healthcare coverage. I think it's It's it's tough to put people into one political bucket her but I think if there is a reset in the American healthcare system that I hope policies his his his part of the redesigned. Because he's he's called everything Pretty well so far. He's got a ton of great ideas and I know there was a rumor going around that he was in the running to be Fda commissioner back in two thousand seventeen and Certainly wish that had been the case in respects. But there's just so much less to change In the healthcare system so there is one edge case where things get pretty pretty freaking bad not nuclear and and putting the US in long term depression bad but bad enough from an optic standpoint from US social urgency standpoint than you might see some positive changes to power our healthcare system structured. You mentioned the The macneil interview at the onset here. I mean if you just contrast how quickly the Chinese royal move on this versus anything that we've been able to do stateside. It's it's just night and day and and I mean it's embarrassing frankly that That we are so far behind this and it doesn't even seem like there's anyone with a coherent plan to actually bring this under control. Yeah I mean that definitely seems to be the case just one more question about about markets. What do you think we'd be the market reaction if we found that trump had ovid Limit Down Twenty percent. I'll end on on a positive note rate. I generally think that you know life goes on people. Get past things but to just kind of throw your arms in the earns. Ao Whatever's going. To happen is going to happen. That's what's that's what's maddening to me so you know what what I think is a silver lining in all this as you're going to see a next generation. I hope if things get bad you'll see the next generation of leaders emerge that Took the seriously the ticket seriously that that you know run to the proverbial frontlines to help in the crisis versus explained a crisis and the biggest thing that I think we need right. Now you know the US and and internationally as some semblance of of courage and duty and and a march solidarity a marsh or solidarity exactly. I think you're GONNA see plenty of people that are are in that camp. I hope it's the vast majority and the more people. It is the sooner. It is the better chance we have. That goes way in a couple of months and everybody gets to talk to me on twitter indefinitely. Because I'll just be like one of the chicken littles that long this wildly out of proportion. It was just the flu. And you're such a pussy and Blah Blah Blah. I really hope that's the case. I feel like past a certain point even if it does get worse right if we go into this summer in a dozen succeed and and then we continue onto next year. Perhaps let's imagine like that. Worst case scenario people will adapt like humans. Have an incredible ability to adapt. And we're already seeing hints of that. If you look at like Italy like people seeing singing on their balconies or whatever like you know human ingenuity and their ability our ability to To face heart situations as is pretty incredible and so I think that even if Were highly hindered as a society will find ways to adapt and like. Vr's way to do that. Right like remote work will will find ingenuity ways. I'm sure that I think you know. Generally speaking the the best gay scenarios are always You know when you have a severe and like a very fast. Rip The band aid off type of negative moment but then tons of little positive incremental. Lens on on the staircase backup because you want to see like the dopamine hits on the way up because they're just more frequent and it really doesn't matter what the magnitude is on the way down. Get it all out of the way. Adapt move on. And then you know just get yourself in a in a state or where you can move on to the next challenger were recover from a major setback. I think the thing. That's so frustrating. Is You just see the response and no one wants to rip the band aid off right. It's just this like deluge of negative headlines negative days in the market negative political bickering and and just by feeling of helplessness. I think from from so many people. I think that's GONNA turn around by the way I I personally think that. Come hell or high water this. This'll be turning around sometime in June or July. And it's just a matter of like how severe and and and how how bad things get in the interim but I find it hard to believe that one way or another. We're not at the light at the end of the tunnel stage by sometime early summer and absolutely well. Thanks so much coming online. It was It was great. Are you sure no absolutely no? It's great if you think You know the kind of effort you put in just informed people by the Aspen great will of course linked to documents. Or you've had a google doc in bay big Google argument at this point that you've kind of kept up to date with lots of resources. A link to that will lead to a bunch of the resources. One thing that maybe I can recommend here. I've been listening to Religiously last I guess almost month now is a podcast called macro voices yet. If done an amazing job of covering this swell to spend a bunch of regret resources that will put those into the show notes that people can learn more about it About you know what's going on how to protect themselves had to deal with this and yeah so how to get through this and yeah I mean I think in the end they will be lots. Of course we'll come out of this right as a as a society and don't be lots of hopefully positives as well emerging from this accident. Meantime thanks so much right. Well thank you and I guess as a parting word here just to make things a little bit more real toured. Miester just tweeted that there's thirty nine potential cova cases from FCC Paris including metallic including me or are you on that listen. I'm not on that list but I'm self quarantining Because I've been sick I was six and I'm still sick so yeah okay yeah no absolutely. I mean I. I was thinking about that conference where before it happened. There was like this is a bit. Maybe bit reckless. Be Risky. Although to be honest in my estimation actually with FCC thinking like you know probably still okay but if they did like week later it will join US exactly. I was thinking too. That was sort of my thinking bait but I was like you know I personally wouldn't go. I think it's too risky by the. I think that's astonishing thing. Just said you know exponential growth is even if you know that this incredible growth is coming it ends up being so fast and Sir Powerful. It's still still shocking and Yeah I think we're seeing that and well. Hopefully at least a lessons learned that you know one has to be careful with these events and not doing them for a while. I am going to shamelessly. She'll may net events as it closing point there. Because I think the community is going to need some places to to rally and we've already publicly committed to donating fifty percent of the prophets to third parties Whether that's Jerry's I don't know whether that's Different development efforts or or community funds just to ensure that that different major crypto projects. Don't run out of money to determine but But we want to make as much money as possible for this event in June that way we can hopefully be at least part of the solution here next semester. I thank you guys have a good one. Thank you for joining us. On this week's episode we released new episodes every week. You can find a subscribe to the show on Itunes spotify youtube sound cloud or wherever you listen to podcasts and Google home or Alexa device. You can tell it to listen to the latest episode of the epicenter podcasting epicenter dot TV slash. 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Sunday 1 September

"You're listening to a special edition of monaco's house view first broadcast on the first off september twenty-ninth on monocle twenty four. You're listening to a special edition of monaco's house view coming to you from dory house in london. The novelist thomas kenny lee is one of the world's most celebrated russia's. He's most famous work. The booker prize winning schindler's ark was later adapted into the steven spielberg film schindler's list. He's penned novels does that take readers into the grip of the u._s. Civil war the russian revolution wall to yugoslavia among many many others not to mention an extensive extensive library of non fiction including an epic three pot history of cannolis native will stralia. Thomas galea's new book is the book of science and he joined andrew moolah for this special sunday edition of monaco's house view. Let's stop with the title of which i want to start with because it has of course two titles here in the u._k. It's the book science antiquities but it was published in l. native australia and what i like to think of as a great example of that <hes> antipathy and culture of plain-speaking two old men dying titles. Do you prefer i like them. Both in fact one off the alarm notice being diplomatic but the largest segment of the book is called the book of science antiquity <hes> so was the title out already so they're three sections of the book and one of them. The largest is cold that so i'd already thought up the title in a sense the two old men dying a two parallel all sorts of parallel characters living extremely longtime apart we have shelby who is a more or less contemporary documentary filmmaker and we we have a character you call shade or learned man who lived in australia some forty two thousand years ago. I want to start by talking about shade because because you mentioned in the introduction to the book eighty certain self consciousness about articulating what is clearly australian indigenous person from the point of view of being a walk straight win and that's something you've done before of course most notably on the chattahoochee blacksmith back in about. I guess not in seventy one seventy two shrank. How what was your approach to questions like that changed in that time because australian attitudes. I think towards indigenous peoples have changed a lot in that time i would prefer to think for the better <hes> drastically so <hes>. I don't think we have to be doctrinaire about cultural attribution of stealing any other people's stories <hes> as long as you got their permission all stories in a sense belong to all humans <hes>. I don't think it was an issue that much delight highmore oh shakespeare any but it is appropriate given their send many good average writers given that we took a whole continent from the aboriginals that we should not also still their stories however however i make the case in my introduction that it's okay to write about early. Humans relatively early humans shopping's <hes> because at that time <hes> my ancestors in yours. We're living a similar life. I didn't think as comfortable actually in central asia <hes> warding off the sabertooth tiger trying to keep warm and <hes> i felt that mungo man and i hope this proves to be true. Manga manage the prototype for lamented man <hes> that he will become the center of an australian shrine in the desert which we will visit which will reconcile us to this giant fact how long the average of being there because this is a very gradual and somewhat grudging admission by white australia hasn't it yes indeed but even bob hawke the the greatest show in <hes> prime minister who recently died even haughey is to say listen you gotta wake up to the fact that they've been here for two two thousand five hundred bloody generations and web in half of five you know who wins that contest and he's right slowly holy west beginning to see the antiquity of that occupation and i think mungo man society was very advanced compared to <hes> what we know vow <hes> ancestors peregrinations pilgrimages at that time because first of all the lake leonard man lennon manage the fictional version among man who was found by friend of us forty two thousand years old he skeleton was found was only gradually we learned he was forty two thousand years old he was also ritually buried buried with great honors and he's the oldest ritual burial that humans have that have the have discovered so far on earth and that gives a very human dimension to he's burial. He was caked with ohka which came from two hundred miles away said there was another community of sappy out there beyond the dialing river river which is two blazes like everything in destroying your way it's huge if if web driven out it extensively through that country a number of times and it's nearly two days drive from you south wales from from sydney kidney rather and it still in new south wales and was out in that area that mungo man's oak came from some the knives he used came from the upper the glacier glaciation country as it then was to ice ages ago <hes> gracie country <hes> in the australian alps and so we know from his existence and what is found around in the shores of that lake by palaeontologists now that there were other communities of hamma sappy aunts with whom mm-hmm manga man was trading but he and his fellow men and women <hes> lived in communities by the light to which came the giant fauna of the tongue there was two and a half ton. <hes> creature called the depart on and it was a vegetarian was easy to hunt. You just had to be careful. It didn't fall fall on when you brought it down. <hes> there were giant kangaroos which have since become extinct. There were giant <hes> amy's he's. There were five or six foot high koalas. There was a mass line related to the go. Allah <hes> that was is a very savage creature but a very clues of one and there were giant lizards and as you know aboriginal regional people like nothing like a good go on a good a good listen and therefore manga man didn't have to travel forty two thousand years ago except for the things we all travel fo- still <hes> romance education pilgrimage and <hes> trade and so <hes> <hes> i i try to sing of his life of these fortune agent life in this book a lot of what you're describing that history and that culture even that environment is of course still insufficiently understood or acknowledged the strategy which i i. It's one of the reasons why i think it's been heartening to the book like bruce. Pasco's documents has been such a hit that should be great but it's a great book and i had a small all hand in persuading a jury in australia myself and <hes> aboriginal russian coal melissa lukashenko we were on the jury and we formed a phalanx to get it named the book of the year and it it it is groundbreaking because it talks about the fact that the aboriginals originals were not this <hes> totally vagrant hunter-gatherer which is of course what we were always telling growing up that they we were shown pictures of them living their normal lives <hes> in kangaroo country tree in winter and still wearing loincloths they weren't dumb to the benefits of kangaroos shoes kangaroo skin choosen season kangaroo skin clicks and but they were depicted as being too dumb to to bring down a kangaroo that i d you were talking about <hes> as mungo man the actual learned man as he appears in your book as being kind of a focus of reconciliation shen or as he put it in the book that reconciling phenomenon between australia's geological antiquity and social juvenille <hes> those are the two great contradictions at the heart aww australia d._c. The relationship between those changing though or perhaps even improving greatly <hes> first i will there's a big move to get the aboriginals recognized aboriginal occupation recognizing on it in the constitution and and via what the aboriginals want is an advisory board elective advisory council which advise the government on all native legislation until now white guys have decided what's good for the aboriginals. This has changed to the point. Now an indigenous indigenous man is the minister for aboriginal affairs and so <hes> we hope that with through his persuasion will get bay recognition <hes> <hes> of aboriginal antiquity aboriginal ownership never seated and above all <hes> <hes> aboriginal <hes> <hes> an aboriginal count advisory council. <hes> conservative immediately condemned the ideas of third house upon upon their all whites gotta reason those guys always got a reason to be nakae two perot things and he the the the proposition for an aboriginal council. <hes> is gaining ground now. The key ways his relationship than museum is relationship with their indigenous was through a treaty that was made with queen victoria on on the average <hes> the the aboriginal. If you like of new zealand the mary have been protected that they draw their rights now that they lawyers and parliamentarians tehran's they draw the basis of mary rights and stewardship rights out of the the treaty why tangy <hes> but <hes> no such treaty or compact exists between the two hundred and fifty language groups of australia and the bulk of the estranged people. Let's talk a bit about the other protagonist audiobook shelby who is a documentary filmmaker a a man of advancing years <hes>. He has a certain number. I think it's fair to say of overlapping interests and experiences and indeed acquaintances ince's pilgrim leonard mac but but he's he also or at least i you fairly relaxed about people assuming that he's also you due to a large extent. He is me and part except <hes> <hes> he sexual encounters in. There's always more sex in the north atlantic. Thank you and say for example. He puzzles a lot about might akon relieve. He's admiration for <hes> mongo man or learned man and he knows that hand mongo hey and learned <hes> the children of mighty andrea leave as well. Are we all so he attends a <hes> he goes to award film a war in east africa and he is aware that stage that wars being waged might akon conroe eve lived <hes> he's questing trying to get a meaning all the time but he also takes she's fascination with manga man and pre european stralia to the octa where he studying the the you know the question and for him is why do they have the same rights as the aboriginal stu <hes> when this so removed and the other question and what does he do about he's all go friend on the cruise with these. Why are we thought that was on necessarily cruel of you really. Yes said i'd say to beat because it's not me i <hes> the cruising girlfriend isn't ah watson donald ship <hes> and <hes> so <hes> i said that to judy. My wife is very forgiving bechir. I said this a fake go on this cruise and she wasn't on when we did it when we were researching the <hes> the bering strait and the u._p._k. Inuit so judy has been with me me looking. She's interested in all that stuff too so light cats. Judy is rather light kath kath <hes> the the wife and the book she's upfront. She's after all descendant of <hes> <hes> of <hes> door breaking down landlord's door breaking down convicts from me school way and so she's a forthright woman as many stray and women are are as yeah i've noticed though which has what like <hes> manga man's like me he nosy couldn't have got through life without strong women <hes> and therefore their the a naturally exist in their own right but they they i take the fate of partially good <hes> uncertain men into their hands they often and put the final spin on the pilgrimage that men undertake and that's the other thing. We think we want a quite life yet. London's full of fifty year olds who erasing off with another girl upsetting the household tipping the household raising issues of of income rising issues of housing and that's a rather graphic example that we always wanted to be on the move we want to i've got a friend who was a very middle class biologist and she uncounted an australian plant. It was one the empress josephine light that fringe explorer bow don sent it back to josephine and she loved it too beautiful trae call the perfume tree and she has extracted over the years a compound pound from it patented it and has tried in vitro and in vivo and is now has now synthesized it but the expensive offensive all this as reggie lives like a backpacker. She's the captive of this plant and what she would have had an easy life if he'd never encountered it but her defining journey and the in this book there are defining journeys on that school what's important to you to have your protagonist visit <hes> east africa specifically try a which was a war you visited in person when it was happening and you became quite i think enthused by the train coles at the time. Was it important to you to do this. As kind of a settling accounts with settling settling of accounts throughout the train regime became because as is often the way when starry eyed revolutions get into palo the does often become something think of a case of meet the new boss same as the old not only was i betting on the <hes> era trains but fred holidays very hard nose doctor who does <hes> and a genuine hero. I think he does appear in your book in slightly disguised. Yes and he talked me into going first time so he said if you manaf enough you know you order bloody. Fred was an extraordinary eye doctor. He worked with aboriginals and he dressed he always i stressed in frank. Hoti the the novelist said in five dollars worth of clothing fred so i dressed like a plumber and he talked like a plumber and i i remember a aboriginal woman telling me she was sent down from buck to make this great eye doctor and this blake comes in and he's he's probably dressed and he says give us a look at your. I love. Let's not bloody. Good is it and she thought the great eye doctor will be in after this plumbing but it was fred and fred started auto world movement to attack cataract blindness in pole in vietnam in east africa and he bullied bullied dow government into putting up the money for an ink intraocular lens facility in asmara which is still working at still manufacturing on you factoring when i lost look for seven dollars eye cataract lenses and it was based on the technology the the era trains already had going joining the revolution as i explained in the book so later in the book shelby <hes> guys back as as i went back in two thousand when war breaks out again i went back to witness the destruction of this. It looked tosoh asmara woodfold in the benami. I wanted to be there to to ridiculously protect this. I facility of fred fred died hide. It was a crazy idea but if they're going to destroy it with hand grenades which was they destroyed a lot of equipment in the country. I wonder woman today though a destroying st- australian stuff and visionary stuff and in in at least two senses mrs visionary stuff was a mad impulse but my daughter went with me and so i write about <hes> <hes> shelby going back for the same reason <hes> but <hes> poor old shelby dies of a safa jio cancer and the operation associated with it. After i finished the book i found out about three months. After i found out i had to say have have the same operation but thank the gods be. I'm i survived it to this point. I had last year yeah exactly a year ago and well things are good so far which is all in eighty three year old can say <music> enormously pleased to hear thomas neely. Thank you very much for joining us. Look thanks for being here. It's a great honor. The legendary ortho thomas nearly there in conversation in with monaco's andrew malone kelly's new book the book of science and antiquities. He's out now published by. This has been a special condition of monaco's house view. You'll regular program returns at eighteen hundred london time on monday. I'm ben ryan. Thank you for tuning in <music>.

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Our eight RWC2019 refereeing takeaways

Advantage Over Podcast

26:31 min | 1 year ago

Our eight RWC2019 refereeing takeaways

"Welcome to advantage over the only global podcast. Help you become a referee your host today. Keith Lewis are you ready time on and welcome to the advance to poke Keith Lucy your host and welcome to episode twenty one. Well last couple of weeks has been quite some interesting one of them. the end of the Rugby World Cup. I'm the whole Rugby World Cup if you're listening to these podcasts. In time motor The last session we had was with Wayne Bonds then went on to have a great tournament so If you haven't listened to episode twenty which is when I was down down in south fronts over the summer token to bounty then do your back and have a listen. It's really incite fool Forty minutes talking through how. He approaches being the athlete. How he's done done it for so long his family his back when he listens to who he doesn't listen to all the things that go into that becoming a top level elite sportsmen? Who's been at the top of his game? I think we saw that throughout now. I'm the Japanese tournament. And of course massive congratulations to to Wayne for being awarded the world rugby referee of the Year award at the world rugby awards last weekend. And I'm really great. Endorsement of his Tournament advise refereeing service to the game. I'm and if you haven't heard his speech as well with doing showing the man that he is recognizing that he was just picking up on behalf of the teams. It's great to see that and great see his name up on the big stage on Sunday. I'm unfortunately fortunately hoping to have two more episodes for you during the event at one of which we just park for reasons I'm not going to go into the other one. I just could not get the audio to to to work so I apologize has been Bisa gap of hope you've had time to focus on. I'm the world events will be enough of it to to keep you occupied obsessed great and I. It's always good to receive your feedback on how you like the podcast including a great little Noah had from might listen to Mike. Thank you very much for your email what you said. You're thoroughly enjoying the PODCASTS. Longest commute a couple of times a week and they definitely help time go quick essay. Hopefully if you're listening to this Mike and anyone else today on the year commute goes Even quicker today. I'm in today's show. We're GONNA have a little cam look around Rubio Cup from refereeing perspective. But then I've been giving some thought over the last couple of days since since the since the final as to the the big refereeing takeaways from the festival. I'm on on what we think we pointed to think about getting forward ahead ahead into towards twenty-three beyond I've got kind of got eight refereeing takeaways to get through so we'll run through that in just a minute so coming up we got some great ideas about I'm podcast custodes For the future. I'm really want to have a good rummage around our Welt als referees. We want this podcast helping you to become better referee. I'm as well as those of you. Who aren't referees? To understand a little bit more about what we do some interviews lined up with Some scrum experts who should be great for many of us. I'm always learning around. That's I'm I've got some Irons in the fire to talk about some specific referee fitness testing because conversation brewing with an academic accuse running a an academic course now in refereeing and lots of things like that. So if there's anything that you want to hear I'm on the PODCAST. Please let me know if you've heard Somebody Society meeting a federation mature a Union meeting wherever you might be. I'm either that was a really good presentation on that particular subject. Then let me know I can put in touch on. We can get them on the podcast and then we can bring that message to your budget and all of your refereeing friends around the world and it's great with numbers giving up more people finding the podcast cast and one thing that helps us do that is if you can leave a rating and review and wherever you might have found it so popoff do that at some point Say Nice things about is that would be much appreciated. It would be remiss not GonNa Start Our will review by starring not congratulations to some to all the officials say reinvolve and not just the officials that we've seen running about a not and there's wonderful colors that we saw those. The whole referee tame around at the so many people were involved in making sure all the referees and officials were in the right. Don't city at the right time by on the right train with the right kit. We just never see any of that. So I'm for the whole team twenty one. That's the obviously the field guys. A whole bunch of folks same behind that that made everything smooth from refereeing respective or logistical perspective. Than thank you very much. And congratulations for that. I'm obviously ASLI to join. Ghazi refereed his the World Cup final. The first Frenchman to have not make the step into the middle upset was great for him and we saw some brilliant performances from some of the others on there as well while bones felt by many to have been the most unfortunate one of the law. I'm having England got to the final ruled him out AMC Nigel Evans Picked up an injury as well so I got some great referees. Who are out there? That could have made it and some of those probably won't be saying again we already know that That was James. James Lost Game Nigel. Highly highly. Unlikely to to go beyond the end the end of the year he's got the whales Baba's gains look forward to see a couple of others who have signal that. Perhaps that might be time for them. But we'll have a look at us but congratulations to everyone who was out in Japan. Two months is a long time to be out there and away from families in my wife support network they have so. I'm there will be back home now. I'm reacquainting themselves with normal everyday life. Say congratulations to everyone there. But I I wanted to do was take a set before it was to look at. I think are the eight refereeing takeaways from rugby. Welcome I'm just saying this. I'm obviously involved in in refereeing in England this is it's not a An official from anyone apart for myself and the rugby referee dot net. I'm world so this is just my view. Feel free to disagree with me. I agree with me These the eighth things I think. I've taken away from Rugby World Cup. I'm twenty nine teen the first thing on my list. I'm not dot in traducing. The new thing in quotes needs to be done earlier than it was this time so when world rugby announced that the new high tackle in shoulder launch sanction framework equis coming in everybody involved in rookie a wholeheartedly agreed with the principles behind it and the necessary focus on play a welfare and reducing concussion. And how much has to become a priority. Nobody argues that but introducing an OB tested at the under twenty's in two thousand nineteen immediately deeper hole of focus on the match official team. Possibly they didn't need. I'm a long goodbye again. Fe should be considered next time round with all the stakeholders referees players. Vyas coaches media spectators fan base. Just need a bit more time to assimilate what's going on us the process tweak the process i-in things in the things out As well as giving players top team top tournament experience of those things before we hit the world stage I'm that's my first takeaway. I'm wrong thing thing to do Should have been implemented a little bit earlier to get away from the. This is the World Cup. This is new. This is what we're going to say I'm going to have the game. Spoilt ruined by cardinal decisions all that kind of stuff that would have been kind of taken a year year or so before names that's my first big takeaway on the second. One I mean. Is that all teams tournament. Playing and much officials need or how must have that betting in time. I'm I think everybody recognizes that we can week one of the rugby the Cup this year wasn't the best week team. Twenty one on though some big high-profile issues the emerged Result changing offside miss. In Argentina France contentious non decision in the Australia Fiji game which then leads a yellow Johnson sightings and all that kind of thing I mean how do the battle royal with the South Africa can You Zealand match on weekend warm. which got only amateur? Video is is very excitable particularly if you're south. African old kind of painted a picture of a nervous eighteen twenty one when the the people involved in the most of them were rookies. it's a big auto. Even for the non rookies to step onto the world stage each and that kind of led to that kept I'm thing going and obviously led to the infamous. Now we'll statement statement of clarification. I'm that came out after that after that after the review review the process and learn from review games and his team decide how to move. Do things forward things absolutely calm down. I'm not SCRA- it's exactly the same for all the teams very few teams Pete in weekend round one of the Rugby World Cup. I'm not the same for officials team so all teams in tournament need that betting in time third big woman is much more positive. I think the future of the elite group of referees is looking really bright in the coming months touched on earlier. I'm reluctant to see a number of the scored of nine so finalize that future plans I'm Wayne Balanced said in our podcast chat with him last time so they all operate on four year cycle as well as the teams so we already know about Nigel in Jerusalem definitely not GonNa make twenty twenty three. I'm bounds himself has been removed to be on his way out but I think he said when he picked up his award rolled Rugby Award for twenty nine thousand as referee of the congratulations to to Wayne Lane for that massive achievement. He hasn't made that decision yet. No tech the time back home now with the family to make those decisions. He's also nineteen national matches which is a very unlike thing to be thinking about and I'm sure he hasn't but maybe that lower ten might just be somewhere in the back of his mind to get to one hundred of close. He's got to balance that against the family and future career commitments that he might have We've also got remind platinum pass cow desire both in their forties. I'm so it's possible. That might be it for them. Maybe not this year but maybe not as far as twenty twenty three but behind. Those guys cropper fantastic referees. Are clearly the Erin. Ready assist into those shoes by all commission. Nick Berry Paul Williams Lake Past Benner Keefe. I'm had great tournaments this year. I'm consider themselves really unlucky. Not been involved on in the middle and the business end of the festival. Yes Ben was there on the side just fantastic for him. I'm also things like like gusts saying aside and also the the guys with with Ariza ause at my Carly Dixon on Debreis are sitting waiting to step up on that kind of bugged really well for for twenty twenty three and another twenty twenty. Three French tournament is that is that his for the taking so that's a really positive one. Good positive the next thing I was thinking about was about the setting out early and we shouldn't do that in any referee. Course if you've ever done a referee course of get into a conversation about pre-match briefs and things you are advised not to say too much at the pre much brief to make sure you don't tie your hands When the match starts things like you don't want things coming back not that you said you do this? You said that you said you were going to focus on this and then you don't for whatever reason I think. The same advice needs to go to the the world. Rugby referee management particularly when it comes to the media. We know that there was a bunch of briefings with the media in London. His team Whether outlined key areas of focus that the team would folly ally which then of course gave gives the media commentators a big stick to beat the officials up so to speak When those things don't happen around seem to be happening perhaps Mary down with the nervous? I'm starting point for Tina. I've already talked about clearly. We've got to find a way of working with the media. I'm so the estimate needs to be a balance that to educate them and take them on a bit of the journey. But somehow we have to find a way of not setting out the stole too early which gives them a stick to to come back to to use against as prompting commentary or by in the media commentary and the commentary as I call it Around rookie which then kind of links onto the next big point for me. We have to find a way of taking the rugby audience. With as that's the spectacular. The spectators in the fan base. The biggest problem for me joining the the tournament this time was the complete inability if you will of the rugby world. I'm to go with what was referees. Were being t we're trying to do. I'm here to share. I'm understand understand what the referee team much officials are all trying to do. We need to the audience with us and we didn't do it. We've got to find a way of talking to them and showing them the camera angles that we're watching it. Hutton I'm which you can then pose freeze frame. Replay create social media graphics of your own focus on things you want to focus on. This aren't always what the referee teams or themselves. One hundred percent accurately true. I'm thinking about why the cameras. Aw that high up in Istanbul halfway line those Angles will naturally lead to. Things aren't quite don't look I'm as flats and Ford as it would be if you're alongside or somewhere closer to play. Where the referees? He's on the tend to be. I'm one incident stands out to me more clearly than than anything else in the Wales Australia game. You might remember. There's a fantastic in intercept. Try by the Welsh. outside-half think he was or center. It just looked. So offside and so wrong on I view it kind of social media until apoplexy not knowing what he touched on it and no one responded to if you look at the other angles in the still I'm will put them in the show. Notes on the article will go with this podcast on this. I'll put those still in there. You can see very clearly that he was on side and and very very clearly. Onsite wasn't even marginal. I'm in those respects and so many times during the tournament we saw posts and comments about off sideline not being policed. And how it's spoiling the game. I think they all being policed but yes it is an incredibly bleak tight and fast area of the game so fluid and dynamic that things will look wrong actually armed and that's a point also made at back in the pockets to go back and listen to his arlen just my something that. I think. We've got to find a way to to to do that. There is still a complete lack of refereeing voice out there in a lot comments area. There's a couple of Former world rugby international referee to write columns. And there's not many voices out best speaking for referees so part of the reason we set referee dot net in the first place. I'm an our readership. Statistics through September and October shows that we were filling. I'm volume volt with adding to that. refereeing voice in the information. That people coming coming to his full playing volleyball pine but when did anyone in authority authority Speak for about the officials. I'm they when there was a negative things to talk about. Where were the rest of the Ritz recently retired referees. Working the the media all all they doing anything. We're not seeing it coming through if they are. So where's the voice whereas the social media content I guess it gives us here at rugby referee Dot Net and it gives me something to do. Say maybe something. I don't shout too much about. But we've got to find a way of taking the rugby audience and stakeholders with us. The next big point for me is that this absolutely the referee personalities in the game of rugby. Anyone who's on social realize how how much the social media repairs to love nylons. Except when he seems to be refereeing them but there's always that element to it why because he's an entertainer as well as a referee. It's part of his personal makeup. And if you've never read his back story about his his book or his he's autobiography. Please do take some time to go and read it links on referee dot net. Look for the bookstop. I'm at rugby. Referees Dot net looked at the books tap that links of that to go and buy it. But it tells he he was out there in working men's clubs with his father and grandfather a- As a as a small child and was brought up in an environment where they had them open mic sessions. And he was doing that before before school. I'm before rugby. So that's part of his makeup. We've we want to see more of that. People do want The mount they're showing personal getting involved. See the adverse began with Nigel. The again in the Emirates rugby wilk advert. There's plenty out using that personality that he's going to do it. There's always the argument do. Do People want to see referees. In that environment they want to see them off the field. Perhaps it a different discussion. And he's out there using social and his profile to raise his that profile up these labor also of refereeing. I think we want more of that. Another example on an interesting reaction from the rugby world. I'm was around the acupuncture instant when he was pictured with some Wales funds mimicking quotes again an incident a game where he sent a player off. Callous possibly And he did apologize ultimately missed out on a possible semi final slot. As a result of mistake you'll era but for me the biggest surprise it was actually the reaction so everyone out there. I'm saying he was just out there. Being human he was enjoying some time after a match and it was in his own time and he was out mixing with with the funds. In doing that Yucca pointer a referee being human. We all along. I think we've just got to embrace that. And perhaps the swings and roundabouts that that will bring alongside with it. I'm two more things to the penultimate one for me is certainly Something that's concerned me for awhile and certainly many out the the breakdown S- to get sorted out in the game on the field. The good news is there's already worked under way. The BAD news is we've gone a long way past the problem Figure out quite clearly how we can get back to what we want. And there's lots of heavyweight rugby experts driving a lot of the country trey and we said it before we got a sympathy. For What Ben Ryan. The form of England Sevens and Fiji Co Charcoal for during World Cup. We saw numerous matches. Where the breakdown breakdown look? Frankly a mess And for sure some of the refereeing issue but it's also coaching and playing issue but more importantly Lonie now we've got to figure out how we saw it now it's hit a rugby's got one of those decisions that we've talked matt before and it needs to make does rugby one to bring the low up to the way the morten game has become all we bring the modern game back to the Laura as written an you may have a view on either side of that debate but either way we something needs to happen wardrobe. We did a couple of months ago already announced that they've started a review process. They've decorating a high level and elite group to look at this involving evolving coaches and referees. I think Wayne Bonds One of the ones that is involved in that. I'm working group up to look at how we do that and get that. I'm not good news and hopefully things will be addressed quickly because we absolutely need it. Also the issue of back foot space spectators TV. As as I mentioned before don't believe that exists as I said often wrongly if you look at the the likes of fast clerk closely during a game he comes from deep and he's usually on side even though he might not look at again. The Law Review Group having previous as law cycles looked at this issue before they've the has been proposals on the table. To create a bigger amount of space on those backfire sidelines potentially moving them. Back and Mehta eater. I'm to create a bit more space around the the breakdown area. I'm personnel thing from a refereeing perspective. That's practically on referee if you're out there on your without without support as many of his all we can we can. We counts refereeing the community game. How do you do that and polices? It doesn't become too much more work for for reference things things to be looked all around the breakdown and it's it's not a good area. The game is difficult for everybody to watch. It's difficult for the stakeholders to understand. The low book says a lot of things quite clearly. It's still happening so it's good that it's being addressed. We want to see that the final one anthony M is is it is a challenge for for all I think. And that's around the issue of diversity. We have diversity challenge that needs to be addressed. We shouldn't shy away from the facts. Is that all of the Twenty nine team match officials group by one hole by one. Should we Kubo a white males and most from from Tehran countries. We've gotta find ways of bringing non tier one referees into the table. Mix and obviously not take time. You can't just left. A referee from non-professional professional country without the elite support that many of us have and drop them into though that level of rugby. It just wouldn't work. I'm it does take time. And there is investment in those not a two countries to bring them up to gambles. I bring referees through within the lights if Nica Amateur Kelly from different Georgia breaking through into European Games. He's got run coming up in the next batch of European Challenge Cup games and we got the likes of Tavita Rock Avenue. Ernie from Fiji pounded Duarte from Portugal. Francisco Gonzalez all is of Uruguay. They're all operating on the world's seven stage now which is great to see those. I'm being taken. I'm on the Gender Front. I was personally a little bit surprised. The prize that joint naval didn't go to the World Cup is a off twenty nine hundred. I think it would have been a good appointment. Should clearly work their way through the ranks to earn that spot and maybe abby was unfortunate to have made it. I think age if I'm allowed to this might be against two hundred twenty three in that respect. How's it will be for many others? I'm such a shame though between wasn't wasn't that The I would be amazed if we don't see having led the charge but with Through joy don't some of those sitting enjoys cohort. Greet coming through into selection for through twenty twenty three Rebecca Mahoney a New Zealand former Blackburn. Sara Cox for example for England are I'll leading referees in that domestic men's game in those respective countries so I think the the talent pipeline. Is there the professional element to the those officials to tight. Help them and take them on. Not Journey to two twenty twenty three and it might just be worth keeping an eye on the twenty twenty six nations or even summer appointments and when they come out through next year just to see any signs of progress or even a statement of intent that we've got to get I'm more diverse bunch of referees through People like rest of NJ working their way through the South African in the super rugby system as well. So there's the color and the Element sign we've got to become slightly more diverse group of officials in the same way that the game is becoming more diverse as well so that is to be welcomed. We've got to find ways of bringing that into the referee and much officials group as well so those are my eight am takeaways from rugby world. Cup Two thousand seventeen. Let's just go over them. Headlines again at number one we need to introduce the new big thing earlier in the cycle number two. I'm all teams in tournaments. Need Betty in time and that includes team twenty one in this case number three the future future. The Elite Group of referees looks really bright enough to be really welcomed and encouraged number four. Let's not out the stole too early When it comes tournament rugby things on is dangerous precedent to take number five? We need to find a way of keeping the rugby audience with us. And taking his taking them alongside is is. We're trying to to to help referee the game number six there's room for free personalities in the game we like it. We want to see more of it at number seven and we've got to sort the breakdown out because it's a mess and something needs to change. I'm not find a one. Is Diversity Challenge. How do we get more a more diverse group of referees? I'm by from background color. Gender and from from the rookie tiered rugby nations and we get more and more diverse group of officials goes onto the big games that we see in front of us. So those are my eight takeaways. Are they all takeaways. Have I missed them. Fundamentally disagree with anything I've just said I'm please. He's did feel free. Let's start. Let's have a conversation about some of these things. I'm be interesting to Ed to review this in four years time. See where we've got to if you've got a comment to make other the email Keith. At Ruby referee dot net will find me. 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Salone special: Live from Salone del Mobile

Monocle 24: The Briefing

29:01 min | 2 years ago

Salone special: Live from Salone del Mobile

"You're listening to a special edition of the briefing broadcast live from the celebrity Moberly in Milan on the thirteenth of April two thousand nineteen al-manakh twenty four the briefing is brought to you in association with hundred. This is a special edition of the briefing coming to you live from Celona Moberly in Milan it Saturday and this world leading designed event is once again bringing this fine city to life over the next thirty minutes. I'll be joined by some of the most exciting names and design and architecture as we so Cup all it's happening here, the world's largest furniture for the Celona dumber. That's ahead on this special Saturday edition of the briefing starting now. So welcome to a feature trend Taylor here on vehicle Turner in Milan. You're listening to this very special Saturday edition of the briefing coming to you live from the Celona demobilize. I'm not Godwin and coming up. We'll be hearing from some of the most fascinating names from the worlds of design and architecture broadcasting mall, pop-up monocle, twenty four radio station. Just a few convenience steps from us special monocle cafe where the flat whites have been flying fuss. So before we go any further. Let's check the days Italian papers Monaco's Milan. Correspondent Ivan Cavaliers here. I welcome. Hello. So let's get right into the foreign affairs on the headlines here from Korea Corriere, della Serra newspaper, we have Lindsey Graham Senator Republican Senator coming to Italy on Monday to meet with the president mozzarella and the foreign minister to talk about Syria. He wants to ask Italy. To provide some troops to help us stabilize northeast Syria, which is interesting as yesterday we were talking about the Italians are concerned about the conflict in Libya. But here the Americans are coming in and asking first about a request to bring in some some troops. So that should be interesting discussion to Monday. Well, you know, I it's it's could be tricky because you know, the times we're gonna we're gonna obviously request that, you know, the the conflict in in Libya where the US can can help in terms of through Saudi Arabia Egypt, which are now leading on the on general half to slow that down. So, you know, I think they're probably going to be maybe some horse-trading in terms of priorities because obviously the conflict in Libya means that if there is a rising conflict that means it could be a problem with refugees and then them heading to Italy. And that's obviously a main concern for the Italians. At this very city, the Milan and the man who's been talking about taking a possible wrote down. What's that revolve? Yeah. Well, we have we've talked to them the last couple of days about the improvements in terms of mobility and making Milan greener city, and this is this this last stretch of what was the what is the famous auto Strada this ole the the great construction projects highway that was part of the economic boom, the miracle here in Italy, you know, in the sixties this last stretch of highway that came into Milan, it was an elevated piece in in in concrete, and now they've decided to to to knock this down because this actually underutilized today, and so if you see here and some of the diagrams from the newspaper, they're going to have a nice green boulevard, and they're going to continue their their their work on the cycling lanes which belonged is trying heavily to invest in to get people off of their scooters onto bikes. One of the issues that arises when you start greening sissies is of course, here and courage. Ing wildlife, and though I'm not positive that means that wolves will be wondering the center of Milan there is there is a story today about wolves. And and how they are actually multiplying jumping over to lobby puplic daily newspaper. There's this article about the concern about the the wolves. And now that the interior ministry has decided that they can be hunted. Because there is this the they say an emergency. Now, a lot of people even environmentalists that WWF saying this is a bit absurd. I mean, there hasn't been a case in two hundred years of a of a wolf attacking someone, but I think it goes to as we're talking about the interior ministry, and that's Matteo Salvini who likes to get in the press as often as possible. He's talking about this as a security issue, which I think is quite an interesting. I mean, obviously for the. Farmers. Sometimes you have wolves that my attack flock. So that's that's understandable. But he's been on this case of these these seems about security and self defense just recently last month about being able to protect yourself in your home with a gun against an intruder. So he's always on this campaign. And of course, he he loves to be in the spotlight. So any chance he gets you know, he he goes after it. So so now this is concerned about wolves. But I think you know, Italy has a lot of other problems to deal with and then wolves over running the city he talking about what was my what big headlines you have. Thank you very much indeed to Ivan cavalier now, my next guest today are a couple of wonders in the field of glass-making on. They've just unveiled an exciting collaboration that this is design week Morita and Christian with Saudi welcome to the briefing. Thanks so much for coming in. Not your father and some team, and you are glassmakers. What's the dynamic of working together? Marie Ave issues. Other discipline issues perhaps with your son Christian, not not really. But it's true that we start fighting like never before. But now is improving as much better. Let's say we are probably different generation and different not really different background and much more used to kind of autism. And problem. An issue is a was out is Anita Lee and Christiane is coming from long experience in UK. And probably that's the reason why I tried to be more tolerant is quite to be more. But let's say we we try not to not to fight it. We try to avoid discussing at home or in London. We live not in the same place, but sometime millennia in Venezuela together. So we tried to to to leave the relatives out of his fight and discussions Christian. I mean, I think he we are growing. I mean, normally you tend to say the either make it or break it. I think we made it and the that's not shell my opinion about that. Clearly, it hasn't been easy, but we went through and now he's getting better and better. And honestly the proof in the living proof is the fact that the the company's growing, and we are attracting another positive energy. So now, the company is one to class, and I wonder how that began because of course, you've both come from the Bank in background. But really coming from financial, but groundnut from the banking is true, mainly from a and private equity, and I've been for many years with industrial that now is quite a Winona in the industry because he's the owner of floss and BNB and and response. So is through that for a lot larger part of my life. I've been in finance, then they move into the design acquiring a company, and then I remain in the design. So we've been through floss Moy establishing sign for a long time. And now my own company our own company. Cristian Baz making his such traditional craft. So how'd a modern techniques feed into your process? I think that the reason why we started goes more to leverage on what was done so far in terms of techniques. So we were leveraging of the craftsmanship side. And we were trying to eventually give probably a new perspective we were reading that. According to our vision, and we wanted to give like probably be more of an international exposure to what was considered to be. You know, sometimes go find to the beautiful Palazzo Venice. And there was a false mixed conception. And and still now when I described to people that they they don't know us what we do. They think when when you start like saying, oh, we are producing their bennies. We deal with blown laws. He seeing there is that when then I show pictures, they they are surprised. So I think he's not a matter of like necessarily using new techniques. Technology technology is a big were techniques. Yes, that can al-ajiz it'd be a different world. The thing that eventually never say never in life in my happen in the future. At the moment. We are just keeping over self on the edge. And how we do it is that as simple as we talk a lot to universities in Venice Milan we ever received students even in the race in the reason like show for the collaboration when though. But we tend to push the limit. It doesn't necessarily mean that we pretend to invent new technology. If he comes for sure, we are going to be welcoming that and we are looking for that. But we started from relying or what traditional is in Venice. And we've been fascinated by material that has been as ancient as you can think so now you'll very much bespoke company people come and buy off the shelf products from you. I wonder who you'll major customers are other individuals or other large. Night a reality. We are contract company. We were selling to also to dealer in the world, but not many, and they are dealer that are very active in project and contract so housing those batali mainly we work on projects very difficult that in miss Maria, get into sharp and ask for a land from us that we are. Quite good in bespoke. We say always yes to any request. So we work also with architectural designer that doesn't they don't don't work with us in our collection. But they ask because they know that they can ask whatever whatever caller, whatever shape, and we try our base. So we we push the limit really let's through and sometime imply that we don't make. An economic advantage of that. But we like to be one of a kind of a company that at least what we try doesn't mean that we always successful. But. Kristen yesterday on our progress of August would discussing how architecture is moving towards structures at a more natural in their appearance. And I wondered if that was reflected toolan in the world of glass making all you going towards that that natural look. By in bed. One of the things that everybody loves in in glosses that is by definition natural. So it looks natural reminds you of nature is made of natural Letterman's. You fanny thing. Now, they only component that might be seen is that sometime callers there are inside the glass, they might be coming from some chemicals. So that is probably the only part that is not that natural that we might eventually love to fix innocence. They would be lovely to be able to create like an eco-friendly Endre percent eco-friendly gloss, potentially. That is something we we care about. But I think by definition glasses natural. It's not true. Because I mean, even if you don't put like a light source inside he's going to be crossed through by natural light is going to change the the the appearance of the the appearance of the of the of the sculpture or of the design itself. And he's. Gonna change their peers of the environment where these days is going to be position. So yes, we do. Then if you speak about architecture as the shape of the glass we have worked with in. We were luckily enough to work with her, and we had one piece that he signed by her, and we are very receptive to Benny Franken on architecture con on tie. So yes, we I think we are lucky in the sense that we love an an element like a role material that is by definition natural. No, we come to this very event the Celona to mobilize retail here at salon. You've created invisible cities. What is that not as invisible city was last year? In reality. We're quite well. No because because we produce breaking glass, and we produce a. The cuss glass for the facade of Chanel in. I'm saddam. That is quite is quite well known everywhere. And we wanted to present. This kind of progress the break and the cubes in glass in order to end was sold to with our creative director to create like any miserable city was this kind of color, and we'd be present less stealing salon. And then when we when we make very important, according to our point of view presentation in Vannes in a in a church during the banana located to round we present in other invisible city, but in the water, and it was still may do I break and cast blast. It was quite interesting. This was named ROY is a is a shape of gravity, and is a very interesting because orchestra Dollhouse kerm I asked to change day approach in terms of the production procedures and at the big very beginning. Wherever you need to be worried about because our workman. Where have different bit to follow the glass? Remember is one thousand one hundred degrees when it get out of the oval, and like we did last year was the Birlik collection. And they told me told us take people out as much as possible live. They leave the glass. Falling alone the shape of them of the mold by itself. So it depends on the quantity of the garbage pickup, and you pour on the on the shape. But at the end we follow the indication of okay? And so the ship over is in reality is not only the name of the east elation is really the new process that we would acquire. If you want Oculus quite interesting in this kind of approach if I can had just let little bit. I think last year was very important because I mean, invisible CDs apart from all of the concept behind name and the connection with literature and everything is European reflection. That is the other is the lesion that was in in the church that was the moment where we decided. I mean cease inception. We had a vision and the vision sometimes it takes sometimes unfold, and you can not lie bombard people an audience with too many messages. And so last year was year where we decided, okay? Now, we have to introduce this. This thing about Kasich loss and the connection that we have with architecture, and we'd contra and that was the moment that will European reflection and. Invisible. CD this that was the clear connection in our head between architecture and models like representing like a CD and our symbols and our products that were meeting loss. So a CD main of loss, and then we had a beautiful like still stop motion movie that was like summarizing all of that. And then eventually now we have though that is. Bringing all of these cones for real in your house with pieces of furniture that are sculptural. So now is much Lear for everybody that we have multiple con of we have multiple angles. So and people can come and see that right here at Salina demogra-. Meridian Christian thirty of wonder glass, thank you both so much for joining us today now here in Milan and well, anywhere. The name multi any is synonymous with luxury and premium design since the company's beginnings in the nineteen thirties multi is established itself as one of Italy's leading industrial and home furnishing companies and with Colorado, Tony at the helm it still proudly family run he spoke to Monaco's Daphne, Connie tsa's. Hello, Carla more tannin. I'm the managing director of uniform. And of course, part of the most any family. I'm the son of engineer pyramid. Failing. And can you just describe to our listeners where we are right now. And what we can see in front of us, so physically a here is a Palazzo Brera is a one of the most famous art academy in Europe. There is an amusing as well. And it still working as an avocado. They're still students. Yes. And I'm really keen to explain you grab this part because we this year we are celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of our company uniform and this year, we decided not to go a fair a diesel on by we wanted to select. Are unique location. So it came out into to our mind. The maybe crazy idea about beautiful idea to be at the during the Alana here in this facilitation, the Palazzo Brera, but what we wanted to do and uniform always is to be to integrate the industry that is uniform and the art that is the the the location by even in our installation. We wanted to collaborate with the students with the students of of Barrera saw on our back in Santa Monica. We set up in relation with our products for we did double-glazed petition from David Chipperfield Andy foster table, but inside of that box every hour think there's a thirty three. Minutes performance of deem students of Pereira. They're forming as last supper because this this is even culture like disease it if I'm under the use of the burn of lunar da Vinci. So they are performing vary. Very well. I've seen all the Riera solid. I think they're great is the students of the drama course of brain on when you land in a company like this. You have to be very you have to know where you are what's identity of us and. Even understanding our way of working which is a bit unique. But it's part of our DNA and just on that point of DNA, obviously, your consensually talion brand. But you also have a very global presence. So how do you how do you balance the global in the local and you walk? That's that's very it's a very interesting question because first of all like unit for even the first stages with the model of free, and there was a product we made the first contract with IBM. And so we already we immediately open our view to to the world. And so we we my father has been really good in watching forward and open subsidiaries all around the world. And these at has a lot to have a different kind of culture in the different offices that we have to give their. Best service to the decline of all the world keeping the craftmanship their madness softy of the detail that we have in our DNA about obviously giving it in different ways. We the different kinds of clients that we have all around the world. I want to talk about the other room that we have in Saturday pastula, where we're launching a new product that like came up from I know these really clever and good designer from studio class and two years ago. We sat it to work together and a hostile we should give an answer to a need. So they started to investigate in what what are the needs in the half his and then our day when for example, my says director from US come to our at quarter for fear four days. He does and has on our station. But he's sitcoms we'd up with a bag with a laptop. And maybe in the meanwhile, when as soon as you walk in you needs a place where to storage is back and to may be prepared the presentation that he has to do in a meeting room afterwards. So we at D'amoto and the just a storage and will station somewhere. So the what your class did is to create something that was not existing before to make a really nice. Piece of design that he's include a storage and our station that you can work seat or stand high is mobile. So it goes on caster any can recharge, your laptop your phone any will charge your computers. Well, and these these products call touchdown unit because comes from the fact that you just go there, you work, you work awhile, Dan, you can leave it lock it local stuff ever meeting that you go back to your unit. And then at the end of the day, you they take out the batteries and recharge it and then goes on kind of. Not that kind of reflects your views on how the ways people work at changing other any other patterns that you've noticed in changes in in what place that you've had to sort of adopted is a more and more the the because nowadays like really we could work everywhere. You know that from the phone with the emails, you can work everywhere, but still offices so important to when you put together people to think together think about a new idea thinking about how to develop something so people still needs places actually people need environment. So we create the best environment and that was calomel tiny. Speaking to definitely need says here in Milan. This is a special weekend. Addition of the briefing coming to you live from Selena demain in Milan. We'll be right back after this. Funny. How many people get these things wrong guy into a lot of jazz clubs what made you build it? Like, this these days, everyone's got an opinion about design. Join us on our journey to cut through the noise. We sit down with the design grapes. The just bloody minded inquisitiveness, really. And have you covered on everything from architecture product, design and funds to fashion. There's so many collections being designed actually that may be easily lifespan on a designers role of hem with the brand. And of course, route all the key events in the design calendar with in-depth reports from our global network of correspondence two and a half hours by train from out Saddam lies, the historic city of master, which every year has the fabulous tape fat fat perhaps intuitively monocle on design is Monaco's weekly designed show tune in every Tuesday at nine thousand nine hundred London time or download the podcast on issues. All spotify. You're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four is how special edition from salon demobilised here in Milan. And we're ticking towards the top of the hour. We'll have a check of the news headlines in a moment here on monocle twenty four. We're broadcasting course across the weekend hit from Selena and a producer. Ben Ryan is here with me. Ben a very busy weekend on the monocle twenty four hours. Absoulutely we've got our what we could say there are flagship programs. They run usually from Monday to Friday the briefing and Meduri house where extending that rut into the weekend, of course, with the briefing that you're listening to right now. But also a little bit later on today, especially of Madari house, which we're all looking forward to of course, there's just so much to talk about here. It's learning that we just couldn't possibly resist with throwing them up there with everyone. Stay for the weekend, though, to be honest without special Popova station here on at I no one is complaining that we have to stick around here in Milan over the weekend rural just having the time about lives. It's absolutely great. And by the time. The Midori has comes around six o'clock London time will dwell on the upper all's. And then we've had some really exciting guests in today. And I was very struck by the the men from one glass, the father and son team so committed to that company. So very 'push noted about boss making absolutely I think that's the common theme that we've seen from everyone spoken to here. Today. Donate this year, particularly without guests, father and son tame, it's always it always strikes me as interesting when you see family working together because as much as I love my family. I can't imagine going to work every day with them. I think they'd send me around the bend then often when you find that when when you speak to people who are actually a family working together day off today, they do share this very interesting bond slack. They both share the passion. But they have a deeper understanding of what it all means. And and how to turn passion into something that is that is practical that is something that you can pick up and hold such as glassware. And in fact, looking around at some of the companies that are represented here. And indeed some of the people we've spoken to some of the most successful brands seem to. Be from a family basis. They are heritage companies that have come through generation. Absolutely. And I think that carries through to to a load of the other reasons that people come here to Milan, it's not it is much of it is about tradition in heritage. But much of it also is about the younger brands who may be trying to take what that tradition and heritage stands for and what it's meant in the past. And maybe translate that into what what we going to do going forward in something that is very forward thinking we spoke yesterday to the chief creative officer David glue, though, the chief creative officer of wrapped studio, I should say now, it was very interesting. He spoke about how the hit. He's been redesigning the workplace, and how often ideas about the workplace walls in the paused don't really fit with what they are going into the future now, and he's having to merge those and the office of becoming more like the hunter was very interesting. And of course, we'll have many more entities light like that one of the next couple of days who hit insulated debate. But that's all for this. Edition of the briefing. Ben was producer today. A stadium manages but David Stevenson, Christie Evans here in Milan and Sarah miles in London. A researcher was Helena jury and we're back with another special weekend of Madari house live at fifteen thirty London sixteen thirty here in Atlanta, along with some up all spritz, I hope and the briefing at the same time on Sunday on Georgina Godwin. Thank you Phyllis.

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Franois Ozon

Monocle 24: The Big Interview

26:20 min | 1 year ago

Franois Ozon

"I think during a longtime to make teams but woman was easier for me because they add more distance is myself you know to make a film about myself was complex during a very long time and now I think avenue materials. I don't know more than that. And it's easier for me to speak about men doing a long time. It was easier because we woman mnay add more distance and I had a feeling to be more received abundant cocktails and maybe I had more pleasure to now. Things have changed and for me. It was a real pleasure to work with actors but because during a very long time at defeating actors actresses where more clever and funnier and able to take more risk can Danja. Few filmmakers working today can boast a catalog as rich and varied as Francois is on the French director attracted international acclaim time for his two thousand and two musical comedy drama. Eight women starring Catherine Deneuve and Isabel who among many others and swimming pool starring in Charlotte rampling the following year. He'll never one to shy away from stirring the pot. When it comes to what's decent and tasteful 2017 outrages ages Lamont dribbler saw him dabble in the world of psycho sexual thrillers which he had great fun adapting from a short story by Joyce Carol oates with his latest film by the grace of God ozone again takes those who now he's work into new territory a painstakingly true account of will be trauma? A group of sexual abuse survivors of forced to endure. When seeking justice from the Church was owns tender treatment of the story proves yet yet again that he's a remarkably original talent? I'm Ben Ryland and I'm pleased to say that I spoke to Francois is on here at Midori House. Full the big interview. Francois we've spoken a couple of times. Now it's a pleasure to have you back it at Monaco again. Thank you look. Look it is tempting to start by remarking on how different all of your films and I think when I look films I often think it's fun to try and spot the similarities Malati's between them if I were to pick out one similarity just to begin with it would be secrets. You Secrets Secrets. I think. You often like to take a bit of a proud people secrets. And how they how they handle the secrets in in different ways ms fair to say if you feel that you're sure right you know for me. I don't rely so much. Shame I have to promote my team of course so I have to speak about van but once the promotion is over I turn the page very easy the very bad favor with my children. You know it's a new challenge. It's a new story and it's time I need something new something different so I try to experiment something new. I note this kind of French director analyze. It relies a lot of work. Not so much I shoot. Maybe maybe it's a mistake but I prefer to make him sent to work. Were to to explain or to to analyze. It is too too too too much. My Name's that's interesting. I I think a Lotta people tend to even if they wind admit it will like to revel in the analyzing of their iron product. Even if you don't like to analyze your own produce still sometimes read the analysis of others. Yes yes sometimes. It's very interesting. I'm always touched with actually zoo. The best critics for me the children. I love when a child speaks about my famous because they have never to tell you over view you you know we are more innocent. You know because I'm sure as a critic you're not an innocent guy but the children are very open mind and sometimes we are focused on on finks very special. You know for them and I have the feeling more able to to tell things about himself. That's what interests me you. The you know to hear what touched them and. YV will touched by such fink in the film but then what happens if they don't like your film. I mean a child is going to be very very honest on yes satellites that what. I don't like it's individuals. Do you save at in English. Indifference eight or love. It's okay but indefens- it's and with children it's never never indefens- again show or my children Vance the problem now them not for very mature. Well speaking of one of those films. It's not for children dubber. I love definitely not for children. I would say though I enjoyed it very very much. It was very much about secrets and inventing one's own version of reality. If we would talk about what the art the film making is to you what what means to you to be able to create a universe from scratch. I suppose is that goes some way to explaining what it's like view as a process inventing a new reality where you can pull the strings in any direction that you like which interests me to tell stories so I try to find the best way to tell the story and to touched people to make some connection between the audience and and the story telling so. That's what I'm working on. After for some things you have to create a universe or won't destroy and sometimes you just have to use the rarity so for each team. It's different for four days of my life. In by the grace of God I try to be the most close to the rarity and to be honest because it was about two we or pass on so I had to to be close to them to make some interview to be sure they. They won't be betrayed by my team. And when I made some film like the Beloved Act I create all World Wander to characters. You know I'm more in a world of fiction so each time it's it's different for me certainly with your latest film by the grace of God I think it gives new meaning to this idea of straight from the headlines because quite literally when you were making the film the real situation at the center of that was still playing out as and I suppose it does make it more topical than most films. Why did you choose to make the film? Knowing that at the end of production there may not be any kind of resolution for you to complete it with the resolution is not important. It's the journey which is important for me when I discover the testimonies of victims of abuse. When where child I was very touched especially by do character Phallic Solo who is very Catholic and where the big fight in the Catholic church in I I just wanted to meet these people so I met him and I was so touched and I liked them so much that I wanted to make? I took mentor here. But then but they were so disappointed appointed because I realized I knew I was a fiction director. So we're waiting for me kind of French spotlight and I we realize boy I am. I'm going to to make a fiction for them actually sweat. I'm I'm used to doing so so I did it but I wanted to be closed most possible to reality but at the same time when I will describe that didn't give I didn't give descript two teams. I decide to work with the actor like it's was a fiction. Twas a new challenge for me because I had never done something like that before and certainly the having your central protagonists people who were at least based on real life. How does that carry an extra degree of white responsibility view? It's a big responsibility that's too but when you love people you know you try to be into the more honest and to to show our match faira strong and I wanted to make them like heroes like American eels. You know like you're in the cop movie when you you are alone against the institution like levied against good yet. You know something like that so I wanted to. I want to tell the story from the Va.. The best fictive and because I whisper act fair fight. I had the feeling the fact to be close to them would be good for him. When we discover the film it was very disturbing because usually when you you see a bio pic about yourself? Something that it's a question of time you know but for them. It was very bizarre because it was two years ago. You know I tell the story which happen in two thousand fourteen. So it was quite complex to have zone Wi- distance to to be aboard bowl to watch their own story. stylistically does bring to mind spotlight. Which of course told the story from the Americans side of things but there arose some very clear differences a lot of them in fact and I think one key difference? Is that unlike spotlight. This is not a journalism story exactly in fact it it feels as if these people have in some ways being abandoned by the craft of journalism. Because they don't seem to be a curious absence of people who are willing to tell the story. It's it's not against the journalist. I think I think the the journalist didn't know because you know all the story up young which is a very Catholic city and it's a very bourgeois as city in which a lot of secrets that's what you said and actually there's these did nothing about the vad because nobody nobody talk before and attic is the first one decided to talk openly out of the church. You know because after everything was happened. Indoor Church so veras Came into church to to to denounce facts that vets to my family's not from the point of genres but from the victims they do due to fight in spotlight on this. Make the job that indicates of my fins to survivals. I'm already making job and it does also tap into something else that I think is a running theme in a lot of your films and that is this idea of what of what makes a family in some ways. The absence of anyone who can tell the story of these people is what sort of brings them together and in some ways they go about making themselves their own little family. Aren't they connect with each other. Yes yes when. You are abused as a child. You think you are the only one and when you discover suddenly there are some of our people were like you. You decide to make a fight I together and you become very powerful. And that's what I discovered with histoy and it's very strong because i Alexander thinks he's alone and when suddenly you realize where so. Many of her children were abused by visa. Twist each way to find all the other victims and twice to make an association to fight to give out because when someone is able to talk some other people I want to talk a slacker. Really Reese you know between the two found cocktails of just just talking about that idea of journalism. We mentioned slightly earlier. Filmmaking is often seen is the same as journalism is it. I mean these are very different. Mediums filmmaking is about making making people feel emotions in journalism is about relaying. Set of facts. Do you think we tend to underestimate the power of filmmaking to get across a story like this as though because it is relaying a set of facts but it has that added weight in that. It's making us understand how being the situation also feels fencer power of cinema cinema and I realized because he's no discovery in my femur. The facts you know or you have in the FEMUR was already in the newspaper. Burn the magazine in the books. He's no supplies but everybody in the church afraid of a film because him is more power for in term of emotions in term of identification. That's why I had some twenty years against the fin people twice to to stop the release of the feelings house because and they did nothing the books all the articles of genres before and it was exactly the same story. That's why I realize how much people are afraid of civil and I realize a big responsibility because senior Maza. We'll we Nevada longtime visa power of propaganda but even of indicators as of my female female not propoganda phen- but it's a film which allow you to understand more deeply the emotions and how much child abuse is a ticking time bomb you know for all the family or the people around you Damage when you're abused and it was important to show that because usually you don't see this kind of story from this perspective especially in the newspaper it must have been quite confronting. I mean the the power of the charges institution is of course chief amongst the reasons for why these sorts of things remain secrets for so long suppressed for so long. It must have been quite confronting for you to know that you are going up against this organization as as well. I didn't realize vad before making defeat very innocent and naive. That's why I use the names of all the protagonist and I realized After it was my producer it was maybe a mistake but at the same time I want it to be honest to be clear you know all the names were all within the press so I didn't want to change. The name of Accounting Albar Baja for Batten Barton is okay can false so it would have been totally stupid so I decided to keep the real names better realize twas was done. Show us that we we did. An ADI end of him was released and it was a big success in Talso. I'm I'm happy but it was a big fight actually not to make the Finn but to Willie's to fill the reaction to the film was was no doubt part must have played a larger part. Then I think the reaction to most of your other films given the white of what this film misrepresenting. How was that few when finally did reach the public? Did it create the sort of reaction that you expected. It was quite strange inge because before the release I was like the devil. You know making this film and wants people saw him. They realized the female has very fair with the situation. Russian and because the females on the perspective of the victims you know he couldn't really attack the film because it's the you know about China and Bob Behind you. You see what if nobody knew but about the victims you didn't know how it did effect them in their private life so it's funny because before for for the church I was like the devil and now the phillies released. I'm like your son because we used my film to educate the new priest. You know to to understand how much pedophilia it can be a crime and dangerous and everything. So it's it's quite paddock solid a d. n.. Decatur leaks where my first urgency's is there something to be said about what people might expect from. You'll films I mean I know I started earlier by saying that you are responsible for quite a varied palate different styles of films but this film. I think must have surprised people a little bit more than some of the others is something. He liked to play with with his expectation of. What people expect from Francois Zone? I don't ask me this kind kind of Christians but I wanted to as a child. I'd like to play as a director. I liked to play and I like to play different games when I make lt freely. I want after not to repeat myself to to try something new to go in Nevada reaction to have new challenges as sinophile. I like different kind of movies. Yes so I'm not obsessed with the same style actually twice each time to find a story which touch me and I try to to find the the best way to tell the story and to have the feeling not to repeat myself for important for me and indicates this it was it was very new but sometimes I realized there are some links with my over female. You are some scene. There are some scenes have different to have already shoot but indicates of this team not so much so it was nice so many of you films and this film of course by the grace of God is the exception to this rule but so many of your other films seem to focus a lot on on women and I do you think that there is a situation. I think sometimes women can be in danger of stealing the show in your films in the best possible way. Of course I'm tempted to bring up eight women though. In that case it would be an ensemble of various different women all stealing the show from each other. Is there something about the female character that particularly interests issue because you do seem to have a skill for getting inside the heads of of women. Onscreen I enjoying a long time to make but woman was easier for me because I had more distance with myself. You know to make a film about myself was complex doing a very long time. And now I think I have a new maturity alls I dunno more an adult and it's easier for me to speak about men doing longtime you twas easier because we woman had more distance and I had the feeling to be more recede Syed above the characters and maybe add more pleasure to to work with women now. Things have changed and for me. It was a real pleasure to work with actors after. Tell us to choose the right actors for the team but because we during a very long time ed feeling actors we are stupid. I love actresses I think actresses where more oh clever and furniture and able to take more risk and danger and I realized that the actors I like very often are like actresses twinsies and it's the case of Melville pooh-poohed swallowing into the last theme the access to be watched by men. You know there are many Camacho among French actors and I've always always can. Who was the director but with these young actors it was it was okay? I mean there is a long history of gay people in particular relating more to female characters. Isn't there because we had no choice. You know when we were young we had no oh gay movies so we had to identify sometimes to demand sometime to do woman we had no and very often more to the women you know where we so gun to the wind and we don't to gala to our more than two head Butler but things are changing. I think does that tap into this idea of the history of gay men having the long lasting friendships with women as well though. Isn't there because it's not just that there was a lack of representation of gay people in Cinema. It was also that there there is this whole phenomena of gay men relating more to a female experience. Perhaps because I suppose women have also been the exception to the dominant rule. Yes of course. Of course woman are more victims in society. Things are changing a fully to join a long time. Especially in the in the fifties or forties. Do Character Fuhrman are victims of the society. We don't have the simplest when men so for the game. Easier to Tweeden defy to them to fight to To find a place in society. Tell me about where you think. The auto filmmaking is at the moment because we are at a strange place in time when the the definition of what constitutes cinema seems to be more thoughtful debate now than ever has been before cinema regardless of what you thought made eight. A good film has always been something that plays on a big screen. And maybe you can watch it at home late. But generally there was an agreed upon definition. Not so much anymore yes. There is a kind of revolution with the series. I think it comes from Hollywood. The fact also best white males are not working facia my anymore but for television John and fall very good series. Thinks it's changing tallied the way of of working for the cinema and you realize all the young agencies don't go to cinema anymore we prefer to which series of field on telephone on on the net so we have to adopt self and for me. The cinema is still the best this place to make good things because val lots of series ally valve many many shows. I watched but I think it's time I have defeating the question of dime. It's not good to tell a story. I think. Two hours or one hour and fifteen minutes is the best way to focus to concentrate the audience on a story still the best shape to tell the story the best finks icy especially in the English English series. Come from the series more events from the cinema. Well that's interesting. Isn't it because often when you look at what the rise of this so-called binge-watching has done to people the the greater variety of products that are available that greater democratization of the content. That's available to people has also meant that there's much more being made and so we were talking a little bit earlier about the absence of representation of gay people in Cinema. Now that does seem to be less of a problem largely because this simply much more content being made does that that ultimately lead to a better tapestry of stories that are being told. I don't know maybe yes. Well you'll films are often the kinds of films one might see playing some of the the the very best film festivals around the world whereas I think for a lot of people who might be going out to see a film down down at the local multiplex in the middle of America somewhere the variety that's being available to the most number of people as often being a little bit lacking that has certainly changed now with the the delivery of a lot of films now. It's quite easy to come across. The the work of Francois is on violence online mechanism. Do Think so oh absolutely. Don't you think that you'll films much more available now than they were before streaming was was maybe we swimming not within the cinemas. Fats may be the problem. I prefer my people watch my fuming cinemas waiver on telephone but yes maybe I don't I I think it's more and more difficult for foreign movies especially in America now to be released and people don't want to see films we soup titles. I don't have the feeling it's so easy. I have more feeling is okay of formatting eighteen stories and of course people who want to see my films they will be able to to watch them. But I don't have the filling phase more one more place for for film voices and foreign movies and especially French movies. It's more and more difficult as fair to say that Francois is John is a bit of a purist when it comes to the art of cinema a you someone who believes that the very best way to see a film is to see it on a big big screen and that there's really no room to move for me. It's the best way to what she missed too as a female big cinema but I can understand. There are some of the places we you know. When I was young I discover many masterpiece on television and I love the film? So it's not a question of the media just Christian of be too interested and when and if he missed good you can watch it on your telephone too but I think the experience of cinema all to give The big something. I don't want to be missile G of that. You know I still want to go to the cinema and to watch a film among people and to share his experience. I think it's something very powerful. Four we have or memories of females. We so we someone you know and I think it's it's important spot of the process of of being signified defied but of course I see our new way of being signified today but I have business that. That's actually one thing that I think is sadly lacking today. Is that ability to discover something new and know that you just said you don't WanNa be nostalgic if you'll indulge me for a moment if we were to look at. The young Francois is on what were some of the some of the things that you were discovering as a youngster that bats plant the seed in resigned to become the filmmaker. He is now. I think I was. I was very lucky to know very early what I wanted to make. When I discover the Super Eight camera off my father and I decided to use it and to make some small themes during early days and with my with my sister some small stories some shot flames suddenly other knee? I had found my place you know. I knew to as my language in a certain way so I was sixteen and address moment. It become abuse for me to do that before. I didn't know if I want it to become an actor. If I wanted to be painter I wanted to make something artistique as a chide anew that's was interest me but began to to make some shots teams. I knew exactly was what I wanted to to make where you in an environment that was quite welcoming to someone who wanted to choose a creative career. I mean is there something specific about French coach. Perhaps way hi. This is seen as something that is a viable career. Option may be compared to honor someone growing up in Idaho. Maybe my parents will teach us. You know so well well not artist but my parents except me to read all the books I wanted via the big library and said if you want to invite you you can choose the books hoops you want. Nothing was forbidden so it was important and I was in his concerto environment. I remember I. I made shot fame with my Mike Boorda who killed all the family and I asked my parents to be in the film. You know to be killed by my brother. My parents were very flows of because we said okay. We do that into into him like that. We know we. You won't do it into reality. So that means Everything was possible in movies. You know in making themes so for me. It was was important like that. I knew I won't become melador. You know will make sense and I will kill all the people I want. Inflames Friends Well. Thank you so thank you. My thanks to in France while it was on by the grace of God is out now in cinemas in the UK and the US with Finland Denmark and Norway to follow soon the big interview have you is produced and edited by Lean Goffin. I'm Ben Ryan. Thank you very much for listening.

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49 Mansour Bahrami (Part 2) - The Master Entertainer

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49 Mansour Bahrami (Part 2) - The Master Entertainer

"By rummy and you're listening to functional tennis. Welcome back to the tennis podcast. With part two of demand Sore Grammy Episode. Fabio, Molly your host, and you find me at our new instrument called functional tens podcast combined Salo and gives follow. We are given away. A copy of monsters book the Court Jester on for chance to win it. Leave us a comment on our last post, featured Mansour over at the funky tennis podcast instagram account last week's episode finished with Mansour, escaped Iran would fly to niece, and he soon finds his way to casino would a dream of multiply his money, so he could stay in France for months. Unfortunately is planned quickly backfires and he's left penniless. We carry on the story from here. Hope you enjoy it. Is. You know, but I wasn't ready. Verse up because I said. Eight hundred pounds Tuesday ten days or one day is. Because, I cannot find macy county ny off twenty with the I'm talking to. People just turned the fast look at me. 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I cannot guarantee that you get. Any students anybody who wants to play with you, but for me doesn't want you can say I'm I count I? Ha I know somebody's France yet. We can help you maybe your visa. Send your reason so this this. This is the thing looking for from the very beginning I. Say great so this because my club I go. The day after. The tournaments I come to the end tournaments having the tournaments and I got like either no two thousand France. Give me for five days. Food on under hotel everything. He said the clock now so I stay in Ganja may less I old together for like three weeks in his house, and then you know he his family kind of thing Irish, just said I have to go so I end up off again again. I cannot. Novato sleep everthing. The COP is making me extending with the help of the police on the town hall and everything two weeks ten days to analysis going it brings us to end of December. Often end of December, he says muster I I'm sorry. I cannot let me guess for your visa now. Few onto. Say You stand? You want to go. To you, but now it's been four months. Five months on on. Now I know I can find. Survive on succeed so I said no I'm not gonNA. There's no way GONNA. Go back, not so I thought hiding from police. Police police. is a hundred yards from me. I change direction because. You know. Every controlling you don't have the. Worried about you know, so. Did you ever get stopped by the police I never got stopped by this. But I was not not until I was the after after that everything was. How does they legalized? Have, my visas, everything degrading coffee, yes, or controlled to speed control or sometimes just isolated memphis by nuts, man I had no better. was valuable unipolar, just trying. Buy are open all the time to see if I see you soon. As attrition to understand you know defeating get. A can't say it's good always looking over your shoulder until me, so was it when you're thirty dead. You got some papers headed you eventually gap French papers. On. Getting there from the beginning giant very on the June a now nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty one. Illegal on. Eagerly. In this club sometime one week Oldie from eight in the morning till nine nine nights on the on vetting for somebody to come on me, okay, let's give me a listen. You know sometimes I was speaking about one listen. Derique of AG goes eight pounds to give lessons so couples. Or two so coming in May nineteen, eighty, one on his mind shack. who was the reverie of French Open who died three years ago? groupon and he says you know I know awkward you off and I had zero for. He Says I. Give you a watch car. For the pre-qualifying at means, you have to remain free matches. To be allowed to play the qualifying round. The chance of my life, so I've been the three matches, and then on in the qualifying tournaments I've three more tournament matches debt. That is much. And then I come the first day again. 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On your onion, I am illegal I want to leaving this country. I want to play tennis on your country. Are They Don Juan? This now I'm shouting on I'm saying to. Health. You know so these People Day Island, very. That was at that time. The only one FM radio station which was called radio seven audio sets the injured me that they were. Broadcasting at every half an hour, the no twenty thirty times in that you know I had engineer. Into was images I was in Seattle. Magazine the Journal on Visual Jackie. Stewart's. Journal. Said, this discussing this is impossible. We are sometime. Housing young bringing being detained. On criminals that we gave them security and hostility, but this guy. He wasn't Clay Tennis Out, so they have. On the events a the like after League after I finished my tournament. Events Redan health of somebody friend got hit. New Governor Dad Descend Guy. Who was asking me to leave the country? You know or off for Sodom? He gave me my. Luck Green cards for one year. They call it the residence costs that give me the resident caught valuables for one year on once you have. If you! Don't do any cry. Wearing thing dot is the usually again one where year one for three years and then you're for ten years, so you'll become sluggish French so from then my life changed complete. The idea not to hide from anybody on. That drank qualifying for French Open people talking about me. May, David Publicity for me. The French people French tournaments especially defense. Schmaltz tournaments they knew. This after me to commonplace ornaments. On my life got these nice. It must must've been amazed and like the first time you Roland Garros play into the pre qualities. You dream as a as a young kid, you know you mentioned the crowd and everything all of a sudden. You're dare. That must have been such a great feeling for you. Yes, it was a great feeling to be was for me was. was like almost the cushion of a life. 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I'm sorry. Everybody giving me a hard time because I acts. On how you say! Idiots, so I want you to. Forgive me. On these okay province, so let it on. The Than Thanh spots. That's what's story. For Me Nice so next, so your visa. You get your one year fees. You're playing more tennis. And everything's get better. Everything's getting on starting to be. Known in the snow tournaments you know using France and people asking me. Guaranteed to come up like that. So I am not play. That was like at that time four three four tournaments. In France after I have to, that's the only be tournaments on playing. I can't say anything else because I can't go anywhere. His letter in Nineteen eighty-four plane. And then qualifying. Coming to the main draw the tournament. That s vicious Lucky TV tournaments is Taika today's. Five hundred, you know the top tournaments lot hundreds on the city. And in lacking. on the. On four match. If you know there was this itchy Supervisor Vendor Evans, you know. He's asking me, says monster. You'll have it. For the next tournament, vicious Brosseau six hundred then was see something two thousand dollars torn. He's asking me do. I said this. The way life you know. Shroff course I want the special specialism. You know what the Fisher examinations rights. No no, especially the example is wildcard. Is. Kind of what car because I was. In mess tournaments okay. But in the same John? into to play. I was interesting tournaments by. Get Visa so on a team to to play the tournament in Brussels. Okay, but qualifying stocks on Friday, in Brussels on product to play in the mess, my semifinal OK. Yeah Yeah I get it. Special exam that gives you A. Play in. The semifinal that so you get an interesting in the main draw so bad without being locked fantastic. So I told him. Please help me get pizza for Belgian. This is only an hour drive from batteries. Until, they are doing everything to get to talk to give them embassy in. 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I do didn't go on I. Hard time getting by money bags from the airline. Agency. Almost problems I have so in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine. Now I'm French okay I'm. Young. I'm thirty three and I think I can see the play. you know three four, five seven double so I again. I want to go to a job. It is very important for all the latest to start with the Frankfurt Grand Slam you know of the. and. Million put into our unless. Ben Ryan, I know that I can do something good in Australia so I called them with the I said you know I wants to go there, said what you're holding as a French dishes. Come here. You need just photos and come here in fifteen to twenty minutes. You get yourself. I go that fast. To Une half hours I that people are coming going coming going on after two hours combing master. Vincent on this number three I to injure known as feet. cicely she says to me. Mr Me. You'll have already applied for the result I said. Doesn't I call? This is my for is French. 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You'll play for the last time there in the Seniors Gentleman tournaments I just I often say thank you to them. They changed. On I was invited to go there this again. For. You know a a another she she. Wants to. Duchy said very. With the audience that you draw like it makes no sense for them. Not Invite you back, 'cause you entertain so much, and that's what the crab wants to see, so it would be a bad decision. They didn't invite you buy. Your, thank them. During a great job on this survey, exceptional tournaments Newark on this. Is The on? Every A- On not just love it every second of it. Year Number one on us. People were like. Will when you're on the top three minutes signing vision, you leave the course. It has no price for me. That is what I love about. The crowd was about. That is on. That's the only reason young tell me who's your favorite player to play with on the legends tour? I loved them. Golden is would say one I've Loft to plan. Against was my great friend. Peter McNamara I hope he's in peace on I'm sure he'd be a great mom. Passed away. FEW MONTHS AGO on. Him Very much, he was one of the best. I've led hundreds of Nussey. Yon Noah ideas off and on playing much. Michael Flynn Force you've know took those guys, Jeremy Bates. US SPOTS I. Played them on mocking Roy. Starring on on it's. Always, a pleasure I love board. Even, though he's not playing. Great friend I have so much respect an I love the guy on Yaas talk to each other. Sometimes every non one is his nostra. See that these. Added doing goods on. All of unhappy too late you. Tell me when you practice at Roland Garros. When things get back to normal comparison, you can practice. Who Do you normally practice with? Sometimes with the young players. Just stunned one inside the ninety. Two them my practice. Often Devan by often, driving is my friend that has Sometimes give it Lean on some of the guys that you your one you want know for some time goes. 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1917

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

29:47 min | 1 year ago

1917

"Hello and welcome to Monaco on culture. I'm Robert Found today. We're talking about Sam Mendes new. I will drama nine hundred seventeen which has earned early review lauded loaded and Golden Globe awards for both its drama and its director. The story is scant to young British soldiers. Scofield and Blake given an almost impossible task quite classically Hague light commanding officer carry a message to another part of the western front to cool off an imminent attack. It's a trap like the Germans. So so the Odyssey is teed. Up an off Tommy's go into the visceral explosive breathless and horrific frontline oppose the British and German forces and beyond the film's story may be familiar. But the camera is not the single tracking shot which swells and swells around. The action isn't quite unique or true. There is at least one obvious cut but its effect is to give the film and unrelenting quality as does the film soundtrack and sound design. It's a bone Shaker it is about the horror of war and the survival instinct against the greatest of odds after all. It's not a revisionist film. In any way. We know whose side the story is on. We don't know how it ends for these two young soldiers. Well we do but not spoil it. Join me to decide if it's a great war-drama will just a great war. Drama are similar hands and Jason Solomons is welcome both to the program and happy New Year by Joe. Yeah happy new you take us off. We can have a clip from the trailer to get into nineteen seventeen like pick a man. Bring a kit. You have a brother and the second battalion. They're walking into. A trump orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow morning's attack. If you fail it will be a massacre took about this for minutes. What the cross that is the German frontline? If we're not clever about this no one will get to your brother okay. And then we plunged right into the style of Sam Mendes nineteen seventeen. The much fancied nineteen seventeen. Jason how come I to you. You don't want us to talk about the style. I mentioned a little bit in our introduction is sort of supposed single camera. Shot adds to this kind of unrelenting quality of the film. How's this achieved? Well I didn't quite know. How is it achieved? Because it's a series of long tate. Yeah Emily it's not really a one shot not like you know there are some famous films are done in bird manish rush. The man is tried as well again. That's a cheat. Children of men did even they had been cheating in The Russian directors the core of did it into Petersburg and that is a one shot. This this is Russia Russia. And it's not quite on that scale but it's never really been done in war movies quite the way has here and it does. It adds to the unrelenting breathlessness business of it all so it's a really good cheat and it's really does that successfully. Yeah I think so while you're in the movie there are bits where you can go in. Now where's that camera going now. The uh-huh takes you slightly after the action. There's a bit where they sing. You know go through the no man's land as you enumerate all takes off all the boxes the rats the horses that's flash trenches the puddles tools. And it'd be skirt this Terry Dangerous puddle if they go into it might be quicksand but the cabinet managed float over it so someone is later Dolly track somewhere. There's still still could brings you out of it and of course. Then you call these cameos from Great British actors Andrew Scott and Benedict Cumberbatch and Colin Firth. And every time they meet somebody who's who's he gonNA be. Now take some coffee in your head through. Say it takes you a bar. I had to while it was Alton at has that breathless suspense suspense of it. That I don't think has been done very much in war movies before and it has a cheap in this in any way has a video game quality to who it which I think is really good for younger generation. They completely get the next level. Then your onto the next thing and it becomes a relentlessness and the fat so much while you're in it you are with those two young Lance Corporals Bacon Scofield and your your with them in their conversation much to do with George McKay rather physical Poland determined performance to get through the end of the game before lunch before he's bringing fatigue and I don't mean to cheap inexperienced but it has that that call of duty accessible about I am for me. It's film that you should show in schools in one of those. I don't know if that makes a war classic but it is something that is very accessible and therefore very to landmark about Simmons Jeff. We all know the kind of story. It's the the first world war does the fact that this sort of the meat and potatoes of the story is simple not simple but it is known help with this sort of exciting quality that we he can focus purely on the story that we're involved in not not in the greater arc of the war of history and all the rest of it. I think that's both the kind of strength and weakness of the film a strength in the sense that it becomes much more about the visceral experience of watching it and the immersion and like Jason says a Video Joe Game Style. First Person Sense that your moving through the space with them and that makes it very exciting it makes it very pacey. But I think if you're going to show it in schools I'm not sure it's kind of shedding enough lie or kind of doing enough work to you really can text utilize the story of what will one. It's a very small part of it and I think maybe there's more to be said about the stakes steaks or the politics and really I didn't extend Mendez is particularly interested in that and that's fine. I think what is trying to do is give you a more visceral experience. It's you being the politics of the classic. Journeys Aden the private corporal middle class and then that the upper class general politics or you mean the greatest geopolitics of the conflict in the in the in the list. I think those things would have been kind of interesting to dig into but it doesn't really go there. It's much more about the central relationship between two friends and the the more basic survival of two boys. It's aiming to be a more universal story that's easier to emotionally map onto you you so you can concentrate on the physical visceral experience of them surviving for a young private conscripted all volunteering lying lying about their age even to get into the trenches to do this glorious active defending one's country. They didn't know much more than that. This is what was life for many people. I think Peter Jackson's they should not grow last year. Which I think did foreground will the class in politics of it and then left them in the trenches not knowing what was going on? I think that's what this bill does. Yes of course there could be a a a greater sort of picture of you know it could be someone like like Winston Churchill or something the ordering a disastrous campaign in the in the on the other fronts. But then you're looking of a very different movie. Yeah and I agree like this is just one way into into the story and I don't think it ruins the film by any means but it's still a very kind of thrill rides of an experience but yeah I wonder if it's kind of shedding much new light on a story story that we already know that that's very true. I suppose that's the initiative was with Sam Mendes. His point this was in Memoriam of his great grandfather. Who Do this story is loosely based on their good commodity? offseason bag. Money is there are people that just WanNa send their men over the top. You know just just because it's like well we've done all this preparation nation. That's where we're GONNA get this over and done with fatalistic there is a sort of. There's sort of pre wilfred iron kind of idea that no one is. Learn the lessons of the war. I suppose in certain cases. We've got short interview. Ben Ryan Interviewed Sam Mendes on the subject of the story behind the film nineteen eighteen seventeen. This is a couple of minutes. Let's have a for ninety grandfather. Alfred Mendez he was About of the wolf nine hundred sixteen to nineteen eighteen when there was a seventeen seventeen year old and He chose to tell us stories that he hadn't told his children and he was in his late seventies then There were a variety of stories really but the one that lodged in my head. The most was his story he told about carrying a single message through no-man's-land does that image of that tiny solitary man in that Sort of vast misty emptiness struggling to get through that that really stayed with me and When I found the courage to right my first Green Bay that was the the fragment that we we took an grew out of that really? I often find with wall movies. They can go in various different directions but one of them is often that they become de facto action movies. The theme of your film is very different to that. A lot of people have written about how it feels like a thrill ride from the very first few minutes. That's but it never really becomes an action movie at all. It's all about the emotions at hand. Nothing of appeals gratuitous was something that just came naturally all. Were you conscious conscious of making sure that it didn't start to delve into the direction of maybe cheap thrill so to speak Yeah it was very conscious. I didn't want it to be combat movie. I didn't want it to be a little bloodshed. Eh does behave more. Conventional Thriller was exactly a Thrill Ride because that made it feel like a little fad ground. You know the reason for the one shot and two hours of real time is to really live through the experience with the men feel time passing step every step with them you feel connected. Them was locked in with them. So you know that you'll never going to see further than they see you know you're you're terrified of what around the next corner but you know you're going to have to go round the next. Thanks GonNa and that feeling that you unconsciously begin to realize you. You don't have any way out. That's a big part of how we could see the film. Both in terms Adams of the one shelton and in terms of the action of the film. I'm very proud at the Utah Action. But they're all sort of action beats in the first movie but one of them and I won't won't give it away has to do with a rat and the other to do with the plane and neither of them happen at all as you expect and I think that that Somebody I was very conscious. You saw that that feeling of constant threat but not exactly knowing when threats going to come from because that cut adrift in this land. The Germans have raised as to the ground. And there's many shifts in atmosphere in place but you feel very exposed at all the time like that there. Are People there watching you. Just don't know where they are. So it's very low grade simmering tension but the violence explodes out of unexpected quarters. Well that was a little but if context on one thousand nine hundred seventeen from director and Co scriptwriter. I think it's the first time he's he's written a script. Films groped some Mendez. He was in conversation with Ben. Reilly now this touch I want to ask you if we can crystallize some thoughts on what we were talking about before. Actually is this an action film set in the First World War or is it a war film that happens to be action packed. Jason War is starting to pats. Occasionally Salmon has made a jar head not Lantos Greater. Really good film about how boring war can be. I mean it's basically genitals sitting around for most film and then it's peppered with this kind of gunfire so war or is a lot of waiting and it was also in the first World War. There were a lot of waiting and then suddenly you would be sent over the top mafia three months trench Furton and rats dinner so I think it is perhaps necessary. We watched war films for years and years and years from where he was there to the guns because they're exciting the problem then have we got an RC. Both is a problem with it. Says we reached a point where there's some sort of moral equivalence films being. They weren't films but then maybe you know all the Green Berets with John Wayne. County going gung-ho for the victory Americans since Vietnam movies I I think overall movies unnecessarily antiwar moves apocalypse. Now thin red line. You don't glorify war going to talk about it sooner futility and it's madness keep doing doing it looking a bit more from this film from nine hundred seventeen a bit more context on the Jimmy. Jason says we're looking now we're in the universe. University have been since the late nineteen seventies where Wolf Anti War films well old-fashioned on revisionist as an introduction. Yeah and I don't think that it should necessarily be criticized for that kind of classicism but I do think something. That's that sets this apart from. Other war films is this. We're kind of coldness and distance and remove the foam Assam Mendez himself. Kind of explains is very. The violence is used very sparingly daringly it glides along it's a thriller but it's it's not super Kind of gory. They're small moments of this. So you can kind of feel the impact. But it's much more of a thriller than a kind of classical war movie in that sense but I just think that there's something something kind of cold hold about it and I don't know whether that's the camera the way the way. The camera almost becomes a character itself and always has this distance. It's mediating with the boys. It's interesting because it manages to both kind of immerse you in it and put you in the shoes but then it's sort of removed enough. that it feels very tasteful. Do you know there are moments. We can talk about them as well. It feels quite theatrical as in like a theatre set and his background is in theater direction. And I'm thinking specifically specifically of the sort of one in the film or the obvious in the film and George McKay's character emerges into some sort of burning ruins. It's very beautiful and it makes. The village looked like a set. That's caught fire. Yeah it looks like this is Roger Deakins right and in this guy's not the the the production design and the production design is incredible so detailed. Yeah I mean it looks like sounds like it sounds crashed it again but it does. It's just in that Jake and Dinos Chapman world of the absolute horrible that Super Detailed goriness that sort of Bosh Ornaments Bosch like level of Gory. Horror Bonus and sort of otherworldliness. There's all of that in this kind of set designers. Well it's it's it's strange and there is an Oto. Maybe a computer game close to that Asshole homey roving through this landscape of absolute otherworldly horror. Yeah that will take that really struck me. Were one of the boys. Sit cities like loses his footing and he his hand lands on a dead body and then kind of slips into the viscera of this decomposing body. And it's really. It's like a horrible moment and those moments of their but they used quite sparingly. I think otherwise. A lot of the kind of horrible stuff happens off screen and it's very beautiful so in very mediated still you quit cold. which is interesting because I liked about the film is that it's really personally? I feel like when I I should clarify when I say coldness I don't mean in the central relationship or in the performances which I think very kind of emotional employee you and I just mean aesthetically. In the way that it's short and the away the camera kind of works. Perhaps you know we keep talking about the video game quality and maybe that felt like a kind of mediation and a kind of aesthetic distance. That somehow made it difficult for me to really dig into the stakes of the phone by say video game quality. Some of that some of what we WHOA. How on earth can that does that tally with the trailers of wash and all the rest of their? I mean we we meaning this kind of getting to the next level sense the kind of the narrative the video game not in any way the style of the film play Video Games particularly manage a game Goldeneye once I think of the two people play in court but there is the intensity of the Seinfeld on that I I pass it. That's where you're with even though it's is not a pov from the nine or at the very much a divorce pair viv by the by deacons. WHO's off on these accuse of movement which are very extraordinary? Yeah it's like you're watching two people navigate a very treacherous landscape and you see problems occurring as they're about to happen and so do you understand that this might be the best in the game where you die right. Exactly in San Mendez mentioned a couple of those turning points in the film and sort of set pieces especially see the airplane the airplane crash which is amazing and again is a sort of a very on revisionists turf plane crash. It comes as no great surprise. The I don't want to spoil. What happens is it the end that because it is an amazing scene it? I would like to ask you both about the actors Jewish McKay Plays Lance Corporal. Scofield Dean Charles Chapman plays launched COO approve. Blake you've mentioned a few cameos. Colin Firth Kicks off the movie as a sort of. Hey like General what do we think about Scofield and Blake. Well the good the good names they mentioned just never get my heels repaired another COUPLA scheduling. It's always going to be havoc down any self-respecting Monica Presentative Lower Scott Lakes. But they are they not possible. As is there not the public schoolboys as journey's end arriving from the front to kind of see the glorious glorious sinfulness at the front they are normal. Tommy's AMIS as you call them. As I mentioned Jackson's station grow their their one of those people particularly Dean Charles Chapman who delves into the accompaniment. Where all Yemi mom used is to pick cherry blossoms and all of that enroll bucolic saying and he's finished stories? He seems like a nice nice ordinary blow to a suddenly tasked with performing Superhero Superhero. Acts and I think that's and that kind of tasked with doing something not in real life but the source of people that were born to be heroes meant to do not these ordinary Tommy's mentor it. It does seem rather basic way of. I mean it does not miss. I mean they can't pick up the phone and someone says this is one of those saying about modern thrillers. You know you have. This was a bit where someone has to say. Oh we call get phone reception was this film also has the same with the phones down. We can't continue to. We have to send these to unwitting Thomas through this ridiculous mission which was all right my good luck. I think you'll meet them. Oh that way. And they want to complete mission because you know their souls to save not just their own thousands of comrades too but so they want to do it for this moment but this is their war. This is Judy. I wanted to talk about. George McKay's face because I think he has a really interesting place I think he's a great actor and has maybe kind of wound up pin a few sort of poorly chosen rolls over the last few years. Name any names and this would be really kind of good tiding point for him. I think thank you hopefully be be recognized performance in this and just think he's a young man who must be in his late twenties mid to late twenties but he's got a really old face and it's old fashioned and wary hadn't exhausted and he can tachograph so much with this really open. Are you putting face a I think you know you WanNa Watch him for the whole movie and you WanNa stay with him. I think he's a slightly better performance of the two. Perhaps that's partly lead to deal with the role. His role is more stoic more cynical whereas his colleague Blake is much more naive and I think sometimes there's a bit of naivete not to the performance to. I'm just finally a moving to define this film. I'll have to cite the the story itself is of course you know. Tragic moving moving. We know this history but felt that they were points. In the film wet same Mendez was sort of encouraging the audience to be moved. Did a very specific way which I have resisted. I'm thinking of Seen what skifield sort of lands almost his destination and there's a moment of music and all the young soldiers are kind of sitting down and listening to this hem and it's a nice is moment but it also feels a little bit too much like a deliberate emotional that we're supposed to respond to and I didn't realize that when you say was it wasn't I I was exhausted. By the end I felt emotional by the icon. Almost done this thing myself. Did I weep for the generation integration of lost boys did I weep for the futility of war that I weep for the pointless loss of life at every village in England at no. I didn't do do that but I don't think that was the point of. I went for me in that situation. If I'd been George McClellan I've been blake or SCO foot. How would I have coped terribly? By the way gotta made out of the first trench right away. It's a very solemn film. It's very solemn very tasteful quite ernest. I think as a a genre piece is really interesting well-made and immersive but as a kind of yet emotional new movie that really put me in turn donated that okay. So there's those your thoughts on nine hundred seventeen. We're going to ask you for your a bit further reading somewhere. We're going to start start with you. You've chosen Victoria. It's a twenty fifteen film by Sebastian schipper which follows a Spanish misadventure through Berlin. On a night out on your. It was going to be that Queen Victoria with emily blunt or some way w well anybody. He's seen this more hardware. Wonder why I've chosen. And those who haven't had will be interested to know that this is also a single take movie except unlike nine hundred seventeen. There's no trickery a really was filmed three times in three weeks and the Fed take is the whole movie and it takes place on a night in Berlin it follows a young Spanish women Having a night out meeting some guys in quite plausible manner and then sort of accidentally getting caught up in a bank robbery and it says into a heist foam super bricks really loose. I know that he basically had a twelve page script and then they improvised the dialogue and kind of blocked everything and they just went with it and it feels very free very lease. I'm their other films. Use this technique. We talked about Birdman earlier. which you know came out in two thousand fouteen sort of around the same time as this film This of course hitchcock's rope as well which is all kind of a continuous shop. But this I think is my favorite example of the genre red and the director a German Guy Sebastian schipper. He has talked about kind of what he feels is the heartbeat of movies. And he said you know we don't watch films with a hot sweet sweet. I'm watching them without brains. We watched nervous systems. And so I think this film is a really interesting experience and exercise in trying to kind of make something that directly engages with the senses in that way and it was just one of the great like night out movies yeah. It's an amazing firm because is a night owl as one shot with a drink. Shot Kate or something or illicit substance. Then you're off. That doesn't really stop until it gets light In six o'clock in the morning show back home now and all of that's happened in one night and you can sort of just compartment. Oh that was a good night out. And it's that move as what's so great about that film and that's why it works. This is one shocker. So much happened with sex was room and in this drug dealers and kind of nightmares clubbing. And say is everything is like. That's it's a decent so it's definitely a memorable night out and if you end up watching movie and you really would take with with the way it was shot. This is another example of of that being done at a really interesting and kind of gripping way thanks Zimmerman that is the best ship is twenty fifteen. Eighteen movie called Victoria Jason. You wanted to about war films in general yeah. I think I've been to quite a few of and I think this one I think journey's end Ovum more movies necessarily have have Palim sets those that have come before them because they they must oversee Peter Jackson's they shall not grow which happened last issue which was done through testimony from the Imperial Walmsley unusual very unusual documentary. That just talked us through through the memories of all the Tomase Amaze and how they wanted to and how when they came back. I think the real kicker that means when they came back nobody believed nobody wanted to talk about it. And I think that that's a direct descendant of this assignment said that he didn't particularly go into that Imperial Museum. I'm pretty sure he sold Peter Jackson's film because there were brief faces in that in Peter Jackson's accents film of Indian troops and black troops. Who will have often been raised in world history and there are slight their shots occasionally of them in the trenches here in Samsung Occasional girka world as a seek? I think very friendly see who he is sort of his backup man when they're trying to trying to trying to get onto the next. Yeah exactly so that that is definitely put in there and I think that that is an interesting sort of new development in the feature film element of one film. So I think that that's they are companion Nyan pieces in a way and that's why I feel very educative about as well because I do think it's the war that start a war movies but you also think of Louis Milestones. Owns all quiet on the western front which is a constant bombardment of bang. Bang Bang Bang and and claim of common say. I don't think nine hundred fifteen is as good as has acquired the western front. Aw come in. In terms of the visceral experience of it but it has echoes of those films as her will moves have echoes of gunfire and bombshells happening in the distance constant soundtracks and those films are constant soundtracks to nineteen seventeen th. This is all the Oscar tips and Golden Globes. It's on the Baptist unsurprisingly unsurprisingly. What are we talking about about an Oscar film? What are the qualities that are on display here? I think the technical virtuosity is something that is being recognized and rewarded wooded here you know all kind of institutions and academies love a historical drama. I think the it's interesting that you know what Jason was. You're saying out of your about how a war movies sort of necessarily antiwar news. But I I think with this. Maybe there's something very tasteful about it and very sort of beautiful and a moment in history. That's been kind of polished in crystallized and made to look pretty and I think you know people really kind if you like that thing. That's easy to get behind so so we're talking about the Polish film. Had people fooling into each other's physically into each other's body I mean this uh-huh desperate amount of ugliness and horror on display but there is a Polish quality to the film. As a whole. I think say yeah. which which is what appeals to to maybe Oscar Oscar voters BAFTA voters Lacrosse in it as well? Of course that's my nine nomination. Yeah the Baptist because the production designs Newman School is good and cinematography by fourteen times nominated Roger. Deakins is also good. They said all of these people as well. If you're if you're an Oscar votes than you're watching Josh mccown don't know Dean Charles. Chapman like God is calling. I love him. Oh there's Andrew he's terrific is the hot priest. Oh there's mark strong Ed Benedict cumberbatch. Wow so all the Brits here so there's a there's a there's a prestige element into it. which is what you want for more? But I also is an interesting campaign here. Because the Irishman once upon a time in America they've been out for months and generating eighteen thousand. Everyone's like Oh. Yeah they're going to be Oscars are going to be sunny. This one comes along. And it's the sort of film that you see and go as I say the actual act of watching it is almost like wow how you kind of run out and go in reflection you shouldn't you can see some areas to all take some distance from it so I think it's one of those run out actually. That's top of my list. So that goes straight as well you know with thinking about voters and how they might be watching a rewatching firms. This is two hours long but it feels quite quite fast. It's very pacey. It's not three and a half hours at the Irishman of slaveholding story. It's not three hours of Tarantino talking. Not Having not showing that it's about rather than having Tina's about the lack of revisionism will we Something that were attractive. Nineteen seventeen is out in cinemas. Now make your own minds up. Thank you very much. Guests Simmer enhance and Jason Solomons and to my producer close fisher. Of course we'll be back at the same time next week but for the time being for me Robert Found. Thank you very much cheating.

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Monday 20 May

Monocle 24: The Briefing

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Monday 20 May

"You're listening to the briefing, first broadcast on the twentieth of may twenty nine teen on monocle twenty four. Live from London. This is the briefing on, Monaco, twenty four coming up tonight is not about me. It's not a bath. Even the liberal party tonight is about every single Australian who depends on the government to put them. Australia's prime minister clings to power against all expectations. We'll ask how Scott Morrison managed to pull it off. Also ahead, the UK's government is attempting to pass its beleaguered Briggs at deal for a full time, but has any of the detail in it, actually changed. Plus, the latest on a corruption scandal that has enveloped Austria's government and will have a Eurasian bonanza to all that ahead on the briefing live from London. Luster Elliot's conservative coalition as clung to power following a shock election victory at the weekend, Scott Morrison's, liberal party began Saturday night as the underdog with polls, pointing to a labour majority. But by the evenings end Morrison was declaring a miracle as the opposition leader Bill shorten offered his resignation. Let's get more on this. Now with John Huston who led astray lease liberal party between nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety four join the prime minister called his victory a miracle we use surprised by Saturday's result. Well, according to the polls, it wasn't Mary Coolum in the polls actually hitting the numbers, right? To forty eight that the wrong way round. They had toddy winning in the loopholes coming distinct second, and it turned out to be exactly the other way round. So that puts polling into question. But in those two were certainly miracle I don't think the expectation in the government was that they could win although. I think the prime minister Renai fairly effective negative campaign against the short dated. The said you know, your voice your vote is on them for me or for Bill show very, very you get Levi for short, you get short shortens always made unpopular in polling negative net satisfaction writing and the government said that he was really focused on that to hold him accountable for what you draw wanted wanted to draw and do and on the back of that. They're in a series of scare campaigns about the tie to retirees income and negative gearing on residential properties and so on which resonated, really in key elements of the electric, it was interesting to hear Scott Morrison's wording, they're really pointing to himself as the central thing to vote for, if you're going to vote for the liberal national coalition because he was, of course, put into the role after our sting, Malcolm Turnbull, the prevail. Ailing wisdom seemed to be that the liberal party simply wouldn't recover from the messy removal of Turnbull. But of course, if we look back in history, we know that Julia Gillard managed to survive her first election after Alston, Kevin Rudd tumble, one in twenty-six off to ousting, Abbott as well, and now Morrison's victory, could it be that voters, simply don't care about leadership spills, the way that we might assume? Well known earlier occasions where the spills were an issue in violations and state elections, certainly the times, the electrodes taken the baseball that to them, but it didn't carry through to this election. I think I looked at Morrison only on his merits. And as you said, he just ran a campaign boy, himself, essentially a number of the senior members of the government had retired and he didn't use to many of the others, the, the reminding members of the government, he basically ran the campaign himself everyday, and just focused on might at a contest between himself and Bill, shorten and then try to risings Audie and concern and fear. If you like about what sort of government, shorten would run. What sort of policies he would implement and a lot of it was a scam campaign though, short and, for example was going to take a decision on franking credits, which mart of. Impacted on a full to say, the Atari is that soon became an attack on retirement incomes, with the possibility of a will of a wealth, tax or a, a dance Judy. A massive scare campaign which was without any foundation. Good. I it resonated with the retirement community and that demographic the age demographic about sixty actually moved in response to this sort of scare campaign. We had lots of people calling this, the unloseable election for labour, which, of course, is quite a comfortable word to put it in their retrospectively. It must be said. But that's of course how lots of people describes the election that you'd fought against Paul Keating back in nineteen Ninety-three. Is it always too simplistic to call an election, unloseable though? I mean, certainly in this case, the polls were quite tied when they I'm happy to pass that tag over the short, and there's no problem about that after twenty five thirty years I've ever to defend it. But basically on lose -able is not no elections on Louisville. Mean there are expectations built, and sometimes as a result of poll, sometimes it's more broadly, in the vote, a community is. To who will win or should win. And there's sometimes no delegates in that sense. They've become on lose evil. But, you know, I think the, the focus of the device, has really been how much detail should you be prepared to give the elected in terms of trying to win government? It's always when there is a simple rule in Strayer basically that all positions don't we'd government government's lose them. But, you know, my package in early nineties, which was at a time of significant recession of the recession. We didn't need to have in our country abroad, vice reform agenda, almost every year, public policies and sounds of pages policy detail, which is now being seen as long as political suicide note in history. But short only focused on two or three tax concessions and that was enough though, to the as I said, the basis of escape campaign by the government against shorten and not, not only against him personally, but the sort of government, he would Li. Lead short and try to make it a issue really a class issue said he was going to text the top into town to the benefit of the average wage. Earner not quite true and retirees didn't see themselves as a top into town middle. Middle income families who had a rental property didn't see themselves as a top into ten. So he's Richard didn't help him and the public- to ov- electric policy. Dato certainly might easy for the government runs gave him. Well, as you say, John labor was quite remarkably upfront about many of its ambitious policy plans going into this election there. Now, lots of people saying that after this loss. No party will go into an election with such a clear agenda ever again. Now looking at that. I mean that might suggest a rather cynical future politics. What do you make of it? Well, politics in this country has become incredibly short term, and opportunistic mostly negative sort of daily guy is to school points on the other side or shift, climb to the other side. And, and I said, say him stances the two major parties have lost the law of electoral support back in the late non forties accounted for about ninety five percent of the vote now Sabet seventy percent as minor parties independence, so gradually pulled approaches foetal seniors are making his involved, which they might be able to bring forces on government for better government. I think that they misread the elected, the elected is, is really annoyed by the fact that they do feel, disenfranchised and ethnic. No, what the Bisi problems like the cost of living example, is a show to issue are ignored so Nita saw offing solution. Don't adding affordability or on energy prices which has rocketed through the roof. And you know, not really Salou. Here's chalk care and insurance. And so on the impact on the day-to-day cost of living of most families at the time we, why is the flat did sued record levels savings, oh exhausted and house prices a falling. So they wanted to see solutions. I don't wanna see, you know, continuation of the point scoring game in terms of longer term challenges. There's a very significant movement reflected in the number of Casey. It's about the inadequacy of the spawns response by both saw on the issue of change. They want to see proper transition strategy and, and comic plan. If you like that really looks at the transition to a low-carbon society over the next two and I didn't get that from other saw the so a lot of voter disenchantment and disenfranchisement with the major political parties that are not seem to actually being governing in their interests. A lot of civil absorbed behind him as you mentioned. Before china. Lasers scoring points on each other rather than solving problems. So the major issues are just kicked down the road. So I think the future it'd be unwise to try and go to an election without a policy started. You know, do you think if you we're prepared to sit out a medium-term agenda and Cavada enough detail consistent with that agenda? They chances agreeing reelected or elected would be much higher than my today. It'll be certainly interesting to see how both parties managed to handle things as we go into the next election, three years from now John Houston. Thanks very much for joining us here on the breathing. That was John Houston. The former leader of Australia's liberal body. Onto the business news. Now, I'm joined on the line by Sebastian Selleck from Bloomberg to best big news coming out about while way today, tell us what's happening. So this is the band that comes into force. It comes from President Trump, and he's is preventing all US companies from supplying to while actually this is hitting chipmakers in a big way Intel Qualcomm, as aliens broadcom Olivos, they've told their employees they're not going to supply while we're until further notice this is, according to Bloomberg sources Google as well, but hardware and subsurface our services, they going to cut off because, of course, Trump accusing wa of aiding Beijing in espionage. But this is also being felt outside the US and Asia here in Europe, we had Germany's Infineon falling in early trading after a report from nikei that it had hoped halted shipments to away following the ban. ST microelectronics and AM. AMS also had these some other chipmakers alway is coming out and saying it's going to continue providing security. Updates and sale services to customers using Google Google's Android. So if you have a Wally phone running Android, don't worry, you're still going to get support from then this really could disrupt the businesses of chip giants and prevent the rollout of critical five G wireless technology worldwide including in China, and that could hurt US companies that are increasing reliance on China for growth. So the impact here is really, really snowballing. Absolutely lots more snowballing to come at Saint L. Let's move along because there's more trouble at the travel company, Thomas Cook. Oh, they've had a terrible time. A three day drop of sixty percents on the markets that Baden's today tumbling to a record low. They have debt issues big time. They can't pay back this money that they, they need a lifeline loan. But in order to do that they have to set off their airline. I said the story today is about these Bonk's Ghani's reporting a payment intermediary is withholding money from Thomas Cook, this is obviously concerning. If you are a customer, if you're going on holiday, if you've books, you'll. Trip with this company, and they go under there's a likelihood humane. Okay. Your money back. There's a struggle likelihood you may not get gone whole day this summer. So it's a very potentially very dramatic outcome from this very tough business environment for European travel and airline companies because they've got so much capacity, they've called stuttering economic growth in the region, and high fuel prices. And this is creating a perfect storm that we're really seeing the effect of in Thomas creek. Particularly but does lifting of hands, for example, freezing expansion at a discount, Ryan edges this morning warning that prophet may fall. More this fiscal year. So is not alone in terms of the suffering that we're seeing here. There's a Pentti others getting affected here and the suggestion from some analysts CITIC group being one of them. Is it Thomas Cook undertakes a debt for equity swap which means that they'd have to pay the interest on the debt? But just the other day we saw them writing down the value of this saying that they see these shares being essential. Worthless, which is very damning to hear. If you're Thomas Cook shareholder, very bad news. Indeed Sebastian Selleck we'll have to leave it there. I'm afraid Sebastian and lake from Bloomberg. You're listening to the briefing. It's thirty minutes past twelve year in London. Lee, British Prime Minister Theresa may says that she will present a bold offer to the country's parliamentarians in order to get them to back her Brexit deal in what will be her fourth. Yes, you heard right fourth attempt. But has anything really changed will, I'm joined in the studio by the political journalist, and Westminster watcher, Terry St. Anthony, welcome back to the program, tearing I'm tempted to ask why. And this is being brought back yet again, it seems like the obvious question is it simply because may has run out of anything else to do. I think they've, they feel that they've got to have another ten what's going to be slightly different this time is that MP's will be asked to vote on an actual Bill. So we'll have an actual withdrawal agreement Bill that trees my hopes to introduce the parliament, and she sort of hope. Against hope, if you like this fourth time of asking that she can get MP's to agree with it. We've had lots of cabinet ministers going on there on a over the weekend. And saying this is kind of a last chance that we are straining every sinew to get this agreement through suggesting that it can be amended in the in later stages. So, you know, vote for it. Now, if you like, and we can change it later and to reasonably as talking she wrote an article of the weekend about talking about this bold new offer that, she says, as you mentioned, she's, she's going to produce but we don't know what that is yet. She's discussing that with the cabinet talks with the opposition labor party have pretty much come to nothing. Although to resume in this article was saying that she's managed to find some common ground with the labor party. But, you know, one or two resumes catchphrases, if you like over the last few years has been nothing has changed. And it's very hard to see, particularly as she's promised that she is going to leave office really quite soon. In what holds she has what new there is that she can offer actually is going to change any MP's minds. I mean it doesn't sound like the most tactical or strategic attempt to simply hope for the best. What happens if it fails well, one of the things that we know is very likely to happen, if it fails is firstly that Theresa May has said that she is going to stand down to make way for a new conservative leader. And we're already seeing over the last few days effectively. There is a conservative leadership contest in progress. I mean, I think we're up to something like twenty at least twenty conservative MP's, who have said they are possibly in the running or considering being in the running for next leader. So you've got to look at everything now really through the prism of who might lead the conservative party next, again, if it, if it doesn't pass, we are still talking about the possibility of no deal, which is now being pushed back until October, whether there will be any further extension granted, we don't know. No. All people again, talking about the possibility of revoking article fifty and going back to square one and starting over now there are various things that resume contrite offer. Both people on her own side, and people in the opposition, one of those is some kind of shift in to offering alternative arrangements over the Northern Irish board. Now again that's been tried already. It's been it's been proposed on under said they're very reluctant to reopen that whole question again. She can talk to the labor party. When she's sounds likely not to be offering more to the labor party in terms of workers rights, and environmental, protection, and so forth. Again, it seems very unlikely that many labor MP's will switch their vote because we've only had a very, very few a handful of labor MP's voting with the government in this, and she still has hasn't solved the question of Ireland and she has, as you say she has very little hold over her own party, because she said that. She's going to go. There's not much else that she can offer. She can often them her head on a plate. She can offer them something about Northern Ireland and we're not even seeing MP's who were persuaded to vote for the, the agreement last time turnaround, saying that everybody see any pointing that anymore. I mean, look, looking at this from the political perspective. However, I mean Brexit keeps getting kicked down the road as as we now but aside from being I mean, as you suggest this is leadership contest taking place, and it's, it's unofficial at the moment, but we can we're hearing lots of people saying, yes, I would like to be prime minister, basically without using those words. I mean aside from that being deeply disrespectful to the prime minister right now. What do you think that actually says about the state of British politics when the party that is supposed to be driving? One of the most consequential legislative changes in generations seems to be more interested in talking about itself right now. I think that's been certainly even the case about the conservative party for quite a while. And I think one of the divisions that comes out here is the people who think we must consider the future of the conservative party is a whole. And what does it take in order for the conservative party to, to get through this? And I think you know, if you're a conservative MP now you'd be really, really. Worried about the future of your party. We've just had the local elections where they lost upwards of a thousand seats and every one of those it's not just a seat. It's a person who goes out and knocks on doors for you and hands leaflets for you and goes to fundraising dinners for you. And you've got a lot of very disgruntled people there. The labor party is equally in disarray. I think most the major parties, one of the things we're seeing at the moment is that they can't rely on commanding the loyalty of their party members who've been with them, you know in many cases for decades. And obviously, we got the European elections coming up this week, and I think that's gonna show even more. The old two party system is not in functioning in the way that we have expected it to for the last, you know, very, many years. And I think it still remains to be seen, according to what happens next where where that goes, and, you know, whether these old parties survive in the, in the form, that we need them certainly feels that there's something's got to give at some point. We'll have to wait and see. When Terry Terry is always a pleasure to have you with us. Here's what else is making news today. The tech giant, Google has barred. The world's second biggest smartphone maker while away from some updates to the Android operating system. It's a major blow to the Chinese company and new designs of always phones are expected to lose access to some Google apps new figures suggest that Japan's economy grew unexpectedly in the three months to March the latest daughter shrugs off forecasts of contraction in the world's third largest economy. It's thought that the surprise expansion in Japan's gross domestic product was fueled by imports falling faster than exports and the miracle minute reports on Chicago's new mail, Lori Lightfoot she'll be sworn in today after winning last month's runoff vote Lightfoot is not only Chicago's first black female mayor. But he's the first openly gay leader to, to find out more about her head over to Monaco dot com and sign up to the monocle minute. This is the briefing. Twenty one minutes past the hour here on the briefing, Australia will hold an early election in September after secret video footage emerged v countries. Far-right vice chancellor offering government contracts to an alleged Russian investor in exchange for political support Monaco's Alexei Corey law reports from Vienna. In the stampede. John. Fifties inertly here for gay rights, and most field also helpful of Phillies in calcium from happen. But that's Austrian chancellor Sebastian could speaking on Saturday evening is now going to put up with Heinz Christian star anymore. This is the last straw because of what happened his calling a snap election enough is enough. We can Alec certain can. Outside the challenge, three thousands of people have been waiting all day for courses decision. And when news of the snap election came through their rutted in celebration. It all began on Friday, when two German publications, the news magazine, Der Spiegel and the dailies Deutsche site. Released secretly filmed footage showing Austrian vice-chancellor Heinz Christian struck hand, one of his deputies talking to a Russian woman. The woman claims to be the niece of a powerful Russian oligarch looking for investment opportunities in Australia for the meeting took place at Avila on the Spanish island of beatha in the summer of two thousand seventeen shortly before the general election that swept and his far-right Freedom Party to power in Australia in the footage. The woman offers to buy fifty percent of the popular Australian, tabloid Cornyn site on and switch. It said, to'real position to support his Freedom Party as a thank you talk. It would make sure that the woman would get lucrative construction contracts from the Australian government. The scandal quickly became known as a beatha on Australian session media. The public's verdict was clear start and his party Moscow stock had his resignation the next day. But for the time being the Freedom Party is still part of the government, it's ministers are under increasing pressure. That went other resignations could well follow, but there is a bigger problem here. He beat the gate has damaged not just the freedom policy. It has damaged all stream politicians such a case, of course, is damaging the trust into the political system and stemming the political system at the whole Stephens angle is an Australian political analyst, and he's been watching the developments closely so we will see how this is going to transform the discussion in Australian, especially about party financing about transparency. At think that in this field it will be necessary. Come up with fundamental changes that rebuilt the trust of the people. Just a week to go before the European elections. This couldn't have come at worse. Time for the Freedom Party. It's safe to say that won't do well in the snap elections either. But the next few months, again, be difficult for all policies Stephens angle, again, all parties, especially opposition parties. Of course, are now a little bit surprised by the velocity of this development and the artists themselves did not calculate that they need additional money for another campaign in this year if we are going to vote at the beginning of September. It means that the campaigns have beheld mainly in the summertime where a lot of people are in holidays, and so on so tight and hard time to compaign actually, but at the end, it will be far more difficult. Even if in the short term quits is able to gain some from the upcoming elections. It will be far more difficult for him to. Maintain the agenda, he maintained in the last one and a half years for now, though, chancellor, coaches priority is damaged confirm his own job is now in doubt, and questions will be asked of his involvement with the Freedom Party and the depth of his knowledge of its shady affairs. The extent of Russia's influence in Australia will also be major point of discussion. But most importantly, Australia time, political system will now be put on the scrutiny will there be an emotional revelations time will tell. For Monaco in Vienna. I'm Alexa coral. Thank you, Alexei. Not more to come from that story. We'll continue following as things transpire in Australia. You're listening to the briefing on, Monaco twenty four. Finally today. Miracles coacher correspondent, and I will say, at Eurovision correspondent, Fernando Pacheco has just returned from Tel Aviv. He's fresh off the plane. In fact, he was reporting on this big song contest, Financiero, still wiping, the gooder of your face. And then I must say, I mean, it was amazing weather in Tel Aviv was kind of twenty five twenty six quite semi, which makes for change, because in recent years, things have start covering. It went really cold and rainy countries like Sweden Ukraine. For much, much luck with a change on, on that horizon, given the one who took away the crown this year. We'll get that person saying, let's start off with some of your highlights though. Maybe just first up. Tell me broadly speaking, what were the main takeaways for you this year? Well, the main takeaway thing is routed, a great job in the arena was quite sleek. Technology cO in the us lot of former Eurovision winners on stage. I think it was quite an ambitious and perhaps one of the best revisions as an event in recent years as well. And of course, we had the bake control rec- as well tonight, the performance of Madonna, which in fact, who have short clip that we're gonna play it for, you know. Containment. I mean, I was watching from home, the comfort of my home. And I've got to say part of the reason I think that Madonna's performance didn't go down. So well is because it really came a little bit too late and very much in the lull of the show. I mean that gap from the final performance right up until we find out who's one. That's a really long time. And they didn't even get to Madonna that quickly. It wasn't as if they just said. All right. Don while you wait. Here's madonna. It was a bit of a way. You're right. Ben and actually was one of the longest revisions from Kim remembers bit more than four hours. It's usually around three hours and forty minutes. So perhaps there was testing a little bit a patient's, but, you know, I spoke to the director, general of the EU when I was there in Tel Aviv, and he said that he wants to take the song contest to the US for neurone two thousand twenty one and I wonder if you have people like Madonna just in Timberlake, two years ago, it's kind of the opening for that, because if he most Americans do know exactly what's revisionists. Okay, time I write an article. Once every two years or something like that. But I think the average American don't know. But, but as I said overall the show was pretty good. I had a few favorites as well. Tell me I got my favorites. But I come on, I, okay, I have to say this is no way was amazing. And when they come the votes on the jury vote, they're quite low, but they're number one on the telephone meeting that was amazing. I mean just listened to that song and tell me if you don't like this Ben, let's hear it. This only lie. It's beautiful. A highlight. Yes, I just kept thinking that bold, man reminded me of the boatman from Akwa yet. Well there he's from the nearby country. The Denmark, so perhaps they're related somehow country. He's bowled. He has a strange sounding singing voice. It's very European and that's another interesting thing about the difference between the jury and the telephoto which I actually quite like this spans because the I count, you know, the jury votes and only at the end the include the, you know, the televising and I'm glad because they're CHU forces, the jury tend to go for acts. They're more kind of I wouldn't say, boring, but, you know, they just have a beautiful voice and the performances, quite is not as kind of a foreign as the public likes, so then in the end, the winner is the one that managed to mix both of those things. In a way, I think it's absolutely essential. We've got to a point in history now where I think we can safely say that the general public cannot be trusted and we need. We need the comment of Eurasian experts to make sure everything turns out the way we would hope it turns out, although it must be said, we're going to the winner now I was deeply hoping for Kate Miller, Heike representing Australia. She was. Performance was, and I have to say, I think people when you're watching from the television, you saw those amazing visuals. And she was right on this on this poll, and of. And terrifying. Bendy sticks was terrified any will look amazing on the arena's, while sort of in terms of the effects. It was one of the best songs that she even did a little bit of your lane. You know that I'm a big fan and I've mentioned his on air before. And then you had the talian guys on my mood, a mood with Saudi what an excellent song, and quite oven guard. You know, when it comes to revision, and there's a funny fact ban to tell the winner has been announced it's been the most streamed song on Spotify from new revision every single day, only after the winner changed people are more interested. So clearly people liked that. So many almost one was a close a second. It was not like Neta, which one you know very ill. I mean just quickly before we listened to the do you think that the success of Mahmoud, and the fact that he has his whole story in him as a person has really transcended Eurovision into much more of a mainstream story, does that suggest that he might have some sort of mainstream musical success ahead of him? I think so from from what I understand his quite a big name, ready. Neatly. And is interesting few look at all. Those charts on I tunes at the moment he's doing very well as well. And so, is cane spirit in the sky, which which I'm very glad as well. All right. We need to have listen to who took away the night Fernanda, who was a it's the madeleine's. This is quite a beautiful ballot. Let's hear it from Dunkin Lawrence, arcade. Winner of Eurovision Fernando, you'll be looking forward to next year's is you. Absolutely. One thing I can say the Dutch fans they're always one of the loudest from what I've been. That's a good thing. They're really supporters even in the streets of Tel Aviv. Laura people the Dutch flags flags, so you'll be attending next year's performance. Then is you with a set of abbots probably. It could be to them. Rotterdam the Hague. We don't know, yet will be certainly looking forward to it for goes to check. Always a pleasure to get your insights from Eurovision. I'm not sure there's any news on whether a stray will be competing next year. But I can tell you right now that if one more personnel, xxx me, why straighter is still in Eurovision. I will be referring, you to the trillion prime minister, which is a fate. I would wish on no one that's all today's edition of the briefing. It was produced by Reese, James and researched by your linga thrown out. Studio manager was Kenya scarlet the briefing is back at the very same time to marina do join Juliette foster for today's edition of the Dory house, as going live at eighteen hundred here in London. Thirteen hundred. If you're listening in New York, I'm Ben Ryan. OB jetting off to the Cannes film, festival for the remainder of this week's do. Stay tuned to monocle twenty four. For more coverage for only world's most prestigious film festival. It all wraps up this coming Sunday, L hope, to be there to watch as the palm door is handed out to one lucky film makeup. But for now that's the briefing. I'm ben. Ryland. Bye-bye.

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EP098: How Mitch Chalmers Pursued his Dream of Becoming a Hairdresser After a Life Changing Accident

How To Cut It in the Hairdressing Industry

59:59 min | 2 years ago

EP098: How Mitch Chalmers Pursued his Dream of Becoming a Hairdresser After a Life Changing Accident

"This is how to cut to enhance an industry podcast show. We've dome lane episode number ninety. To how to cut it in the hedge in industry. This show that gives you that incites his rations and information to take your handwriting and offering charisma to the next level as your host. Dom? Hey, what about to help to cut the in the headrest in industry Pucca show with myself Dumblane episode number ninety eight and you are listening to the UK's number one rated and original Pucca show for the hair industry, which brings you guess every Monday to shed insights, inspirations and information to take your headdress in Ambari and careers to the next level. Now before we get into today's episode. I just wanna give a shoutout to our friends and sponsors of the how to cut it podcast scrummage towels. Nascar me towns are providing the thickest and most absorbent biodegradable silent towel on the market today on are used by some of the biggest names and salons, Freddie, UK include in previous guests, the mine KYW Watson and a few guests coming onto our show Ricky Watters along with myself, and you can try them out yourself nephew wants take them up on a twenty five percent. Discount off on your first order, then you can use a discount code how to cut it scrummaging dot com. Says SC are you double 'em? I dot com. And if you unsure the product, you can also request Izhak who pack via their website now last week, we bought you a bumper week of stunk gets to the how to contain show which included Gerry who can Markle young and on Wednesday. We gave you a special episode. We've Eugene Solaiman now today, I am going to be bringing you somebody that I regard as another very very special hairdresser. A nut is Mitch charmers. Now, many of you are probably sitting there or driving or wherever you're listening to this podcast in Kim. I know who is Mitch Thomas. Well, Mitch is somebody that was left paralysed neck down following a motorcross accident in two thousand fourteen at the age. Of just twenty two. Now, this interview is an incredibly move him touching and inspirational one, and we're going to be learning how Mitch through his sheer determination has since retrained and pursued his dream of becoming a hairdresser now as we head in to this interview, you're going to hear how Mitch decided turn his life around. And we're gonna learn about his time at college the difficulties that he had to experience get in his first job as a fulltime starless, so whether discrimination that maybe he went through at one particular Salam, which is still tough to actually here. But more importantly, what we actually get to know about Mitch is he doesn't want to focus only on his injury. He wants to actually look becoming a fantastic hairdresser and one day owner of his own Salam. But as we get towards the latter part of this we're going to hear how Mitch is looking to receive a revolutionary epidurals stimulation tree. The most advanced treatment for spinal cord injuries available. Now, this cost fifty six thousand pounds to receive this treatment and Mitch is on a mission with the help of our friends at Akito scissors to raise funds for this revolution retreatment to help into learn to walk again. And today at the end of this interview, we're gonna learn how you can help play your PA by raising funds for let's get Mitch walk in. That's hashtag. Let's get Mitch walk in. And we're going to mention the link that you need to go to if you would like to help Mitch in his mission to raise funds to get him walk in again, and that link will be on the show notes accompanying this particular episode at WW dot how to cut dot it slash EP zero nine eight. So make sure that you come back after hearing this interview and donate some think towards mitch's recovery to maybe one day walk in again. Now, let's get into this. Few with this very very special hairdresser. Mitch Djaama's today is a very special interview. Because as I mentioned in the introduction, where we got a campaign gun for this particular guy, and it was brought to our attention by John and Katie ketosis Zo. I'm really delighted to welcome has d'allest onto the how to cut it puck our show Mitch charmer. So welcome to show. Mitch. Right. With every bay, and how are you? Yeah. Don't five. Okay. Now as a you know, a superstar hairdresser just yet. Not yet. No yet. But I'm sure you can do so. Yeah, we mentioned in that. You know, this is a campaign go into, you know, help towards your treatment. And there's a hashtag is an image. What's that hashtag? That is currently going to be out there. Let's get Mitch Walkin guy. That sounds a good plan. I reckon. So that's what we're going to really go into today. I wanna learn about this campaign Mitch. But I wanna learn about you. And I want to learn about us ahead dresser. And I wanna learn about you before had just because you know, you've had a pretty dramatic time. It would be fair to say. So before we get into any of that. I just give us a bit of a heads up about you the hairdresser and where you're working right now. And so yeah. From Asli I'll start my training and bath college, and that was sort of September time twenty-seven seen complete. My course in college needed to find somewhere to uh. Work. So get familiar with clients and stuff, obviously, more of a confidence things we lost and build up. There was a small salon in Radstock, which is liquid village near where I live on a nice lady who Joe Hurst on she basically let me in her cell on starting to get familiar with clients. And then are basically this is what she said. Unit flown the nest so she kind of helped me to progress and move on. And you know, she could see that is potential and stuff, and she's already been there and done it and she's worked in London to in Harrison for fifteen years. So she's been there done it in the solemn that she's got knows more for fun for her to be honest, Muslim much money saw it and all of that. She just loves it. And then I just sort of applied for some jobs. Add some opportunities come up in bath is well, but mostly with bath is very old school and all the buildings are like three or four stories high and not good for. Are just very in a wheelchair. So. So it may local religion Midsomer Norton and James Christopher hairdressers. I Dave them Moisi the James's United straightway it, which was nice. And to be honest Nyeri seems like more of a friend than just the boss is well, we get on really well says so meshed happens United. It's just just a nice nice way for it to happen. Now. I'm in that settling which is James Christopher hairdressers. So basically now of build up my clients how and sore started off doing like the jobs, you know, like with the cleaning up and the flight that and then easing my way in with the clients and stuff and now I'm getting like returning clients, which is nice because I was doing a good job and. Yes. I was just just progressive more and more on getting more more kinds of time in order, tons of really nice the whole team at James crisper had just really supportive of me. And they demo situation yet. It just they've been amazing really and of come on leaps and binds nine confidence is through the roof. That's amazing. Yeah. Since my injury. Obviously, I lost confidence. I shut myself away for a while. In are just full was the point needs just gather go for it is your special going to do what you will do in and to go into hairdressing, as you just mentioned the sellers that you will reply full will not particularly friendly tools, standing wheelchairs to say the least. So we're gonna come all the way back to headdress in An Giang wanna hip at you as a headdress, I really do want to learn about that. But I want to take our listeners through on on us story. Mitch because it's a moving story. It's a story. The actually though you just cannot help but Meyer fear. So let's talk post headdress or pre hairdresser before headdress and even came into your thinking. So who was Mitch before the hairdresser? I was a plasterer. Basically soon as I left school. One of my good friends. Dot names is posturing company in bus, and I basically started off their the my apprenticeship than eventually you after a few years. I went out on my own funding him work race across from the ages seven and basically just worked to rise. You know, just all my money when it's ROY didn't finally getting somewhere with my Roydon in staff after all these years. Yes. I just always training know like running like fifty miles a week constantly in the gym will might time just went into Ross. I just this was your passion. Wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. And from such a young age just had such a passion in anything with an engine. Yeah. Just one of those forces in your blood, and I just honestly if I if by kid get. Back on the bike Nive. Like, I do it in a heartbeat. You know, just miss it. So much is just a hate. So what's in it? And I it sort of makes me so jealous is wealth. I saw I could only imagine what you're going through in in terms of the understand. When you can't do saying, it must be European. So I but let let's get so motocross again 'cause all our audience, and generally, hairdresser Baba's and VAT sane most own know, what might cross is a lot probably thinking is motocross. Basically is off roads dirt bikes. So basically was known as scrambling years ago. Maybe people be familiar with that. But yes, it is. It's only adrenaline adrenaline. High speeds on jumps. Yes. You know, there's four arrivers in one race in rural lined up. All in one line them is literally just when that gate drops. And literally just go how the number. There you go for get round. That is as quick as you can't suck so up just building the scene. So people can understand you situation. What's happened and so forth? So I kind of the day. And you know, what I mean body stay probably way you'll live just changed forever. So yet turned us a little bit more about this. See? Yeah. Like off of the GOP where I wanted to be in. Racing. Some real talk guys on this weekend. The first day it was a two day meet in may buying holiday on never forget it. But. Yeah. I basically was racing on the Sunday. I came by fifth overall thing after three races on that day. Few little crashes. Nothing major just the usual sort of stuff. Happens like warmer ties map all she knew. But then the second day. Well, the night the night before that she often go to a barbecue. Which is really weird because I never really went to these sort of things that which I I didn't go not United. If I did go maybe order drunk a lot and then turn out racing. But yeah, my head was just into my weekend. And I just wanted to go back and do even better than they did on the first day. So I got there the us to by it getting ready will retry trindon's Zorzi pumpkin runway point. And it's quite warm day from what I remember. And I'm Ida qualifying session to come up. I'm basically, I was I I the trout was freshly watered is well still quite hard Pat from the day before with the bikes, go rhino and stuff sater's love shiny areas. Once they wore down. Always remember. Just sort of win fast could right from the off. And basically like the second lap in come dine the hill off of the jump quite high speed is probably the fastest while the tracker dot point in those breaking bumps on this led the Bravo hill like after junk in those member that people were always breaking that the way the bumps were there. So you know, me trying to put a fast life inning qualified basically, just powered all over those bumps in just tried to skip loom trying to get in a fast time and. From now on a remember much. But on the paramedic stood near that part of the track seen it happen than she said my bike just skit. So I decide threw me off and who's doing cartwheels down the track. Parallels by fifteen foot in the era this point, and then I landed on my head, and then I was a member. So of coming rind. And I was just like trying to crawl across the floor. And then my dad benched eventually came over. There was low people quieter vying me in another just started crying just said to my data ex thus won the bits that really sticks in my mind. Yes. So that was really scary. A member. My brother was actually telling me afterwards came running in hostile that. He's seen it all happen because he was behind me. Yeah. I don't know got total hat. He's still put in the fastest live without day in that qualifying session. The lap before sit out kind of polo perk. From smallest can come out. Little bit of grin. I'm just under the just as a parent myself. You know, I came on my latte dozen do motocross bid a, you know, he plays football coach the football team. And I just think to myself, you know, as a parent yet how you would reenter nothing for you dad being there as well. I mean, I just. So look so this happened you going to hospital and treatment. And when did you get told what come of this injury and took us on from this bit? Well. Probably a good week to ten days and. Second. And had a specialists come rain, but girlfriend was sat next mayor's member. She basically, my girlfriend never left. My slide. The whole time it was not hospital, which is just amazing. Yeah. And I remember this lady came Ryan she sat with us. We ought to chat, and I was really dying couldn't stop crying and stuff. When this specialist come out condoms. New. What she was going to say that used you knew it, did you? Yeah. And she basically said that see the way I've broken my back. There's obviously different ways you can bring your back in those sleeping in like, maybe I've done it the way that you can condo's, you know, he'd get woken again. But when she explained is San basically, I had burst fractures onto of my brace which a law of the bone crushed my cord, and I'd bleed on the court and stuff, and she said that you know, those ten percent chance you'll feel NF in again from the Jess Stein. And. Dodges style. Cryan. Mcgovern was going to. I just just vote. My whole world is going in. Mahal Royden career and stuff is not the first thing you'll think in as well in in terms of this you ride in which you're so passionate about is. Like, you just that's it nauseous that is off so active and go from these so active in running so much and training so much. And Intel the public never even take once again was always hard to take. You had a massive London, my friend, just consult commend the Helen goes this Mitch. This was four it'll be five years in may. Okay. So you look said you've been told this you everybody around you, you, you just say nobody unless you've experienced sink, this you could ever imagine what is going on in your mind. So how will you now starting to get your head around this? I mean, do you go into dump place move on from that? I've never just been stressing and even like swearing why. My sister sisters in. Just like sort of taken. I'll people that were close to me. Weird radio. Just I just didn't know was not going on full. A few days a law the drugs, they had me on was Paul. Like, I was hallucinating along stuff like that bad reaction to the drugs. I just met with being so much pain that he was just like. I just wanted to be put to sleep for a bit. You know? Did you must feel an mouse gonna run questioned plu, please? But did you just feel? I don't want to be here anymore. Yeah. It's kind of weird looking back. Now like, I was thinking like that. Paint. Always in just a just so low point because let's not get why lot you said the pain. I would imagine. Yeah. Horrendous Halloween hospital. Altogether. We've rehab was three months. Okay. Yes. Like the first false until I was in was French in Bristol on. They're actually closing the dying at the time. So I stayed in that for a week in the name as the Leon. But I was remember being in the intensive care unit. And there was all sorts going on in there. There was people, you know, with brain damage and stuff like that. Which just I just seen a loss. Scary stuff. And yeah, just would wake up in the middle of the night. Just because I was on my own times and didn't want to go from there all the time. She's a live together with two and I remember ringing my dad up in the middle. I think it must have been about three or four o'clock in the morning. And I remember they were saying that they were up all night too. And just set. I just need to come home. But like I was just so scared at that point. Sard? So coming home. Mitch I mean, obviously think has got change a Vink. What was normal one day is not normal the next day. So you'll paralyzed. From the waist down. Just died from the chest down. No movement. When that's a little. So you've got a kitten the home, I think has to adapt and change vehicles. Give people a all idea of suddenly how you've got to change. Well, when I came. Hospital is actually living at my dad's at the time. That's why I stayed before my injury those twenty two point in. Not like mute FM yet stuff say my dad's heist bathroom was upstairs. I'm better. They put like hospital bed. Dime. Stairs. And so just really tough. Because obviously I wanted to win dependents but just rely on people a torn. Remember like first day like like came home. And I wanted I was watching TV. On the TV remote was on the other safer across the room. And I remember thinking off I just need to go and get the remote changed his channel. The. Is like just sort of hit me, then it's just not easy. So I swore transfer onto my chair and. Di self was hard because those stood in pain at that point. Just like a really hit home. Then because I knew that something so simple light Dr. We'll take me like three or four times as long as it would normally. The most simple task. So and I remember the the bathroom is upstairs. So as always relying on people carry me upstairs, I was in pain. So we'll see not good for more back or even. But like lifted me upstairs and stuff all the time. And then. Me and my girlfriend eventually got a place for own. Which is why I'm too at the moment. Then kind of discussed it easier than so he'll how you get your mind around this. I want people to understand. How you shift your mindset? Just. Are just trying to think of all the positive things. I had going for me in the obviously way injury could have been a lot worse. Could've been paralyzed from the net time which damage my net. I remember them telling me I'd like a hairline fracture in my neck. Which is the like just keep reminding myself. So I can still do law stuff. That it could have been a lot worse. I can still do things myself. Yeah. Just kind of just really hard to adopt and get you. So. So I mean, you clearly you're not going to go back to work as a plaster at this point. You're not thinking of going back as a plaster. Okay. So as we all know Mitch Michelle is the the very very special hedger. So that you are wet this come from. Where was this blown out of? Basically when I left school. I kind of interest in header. But I. I just couldn't it took like an easy because my best friend's dad was at his company and stuff. I don't see the injury happened a few years lay staff and then just. What can I do that would be? You know, like. Work with my hands and be creative of creative flair and. Something I would really enjoy and. Obviously like. A big part of the job. I love is like seeing people with a smile on the face when she's done a great Erica and stuff like that. So. Yeah. Just. Just like I just needed to show off Moi creative flair. I just unite like nobody's done it before like in a wheelchair from why know of anyway, but don't know of anybody. That's why I keep saying you special hairdresser just so what was the reaction to? So you you've got lots buffet say MSCI probably got lots of time to think things over during these dark days. Yeah. You're starting to it that if he can write I this is my life. I'm going to have to grump this nail. And yet headdress is Saint the I've always had an interesting creativity. You share this with your your girlfriend, your your your family? What's the reaction? Yeah. The obviously. They've really like surprised one do in the I kind of look is, you know. If got like one life in you need to just do whatever you want. Nothing's gonna. Get in the way that like, but you know, my family, friends and stuff quite surprised warm do with I think. A lot of people. I got off messages from people to which say, I'm an inspiration. But I didn't really see that. Off you're gonna get a lot more. Messed us come in you away. Now, I could tell you. Absolutely. So you've chosen hairdresser in. I mean, how many how how far we're on? Are we move in now since the accident and you've decided right headdresses for me. So how long is this moved on? Obviously has been. What's he been like five years five years from the accident? Yeah. Hairdresser. You've not worked in this point. Mitch, no, basically just. When I moved into my fly just kind of shut myself away for a bit. And then not just solve the ideas address in come up. You know, like, my girlfriend, obviously lives with me when she's going off to work and everyone's getting on whether I'm stuck at home. And I just think it was just a waste needs just guy there and just go for like I've cared too much by what people think or what people were staring at me more wheelchair and stuff. But now it just really didn't care, and I'm just trying to show even like other people in wheelchairs since people with similar injuries like mine that you can do what have you won. The higher hard life is and Zoe someone worse off. So I always remind myself that. Just you know, why should I sell for desk job because I'm always sat down a little time. You know, like that's too easy for you bitch. You can the her to round up. Hallway speeds in your time before the accident, and we've got to challenge you again going forward. Yeah. I can see you said you went to college that was your choice vote. College was or any problems with with going to college with the you know, maybe. Getting into college. We'll chair how was this experience. To be honest as prey good. Like, the only thing I did struggle with obviously just like park in stuff like bass nightmare anyway. But. Slyke? Just he's just which is hard like like to have my own independence drive. Obviously. And your independent on you can. Equal with hang controls and stuff. So still got everything. You can still do stuff. I'm wondering. But I think like the hardest part was because my confidence of any just started this point going into train in on the only boy in the group. There's like twenty girls. That's probably the worst thing from confidence right now. Senior. 'cause you're cool looking guy. I've I've seen. Yeah. You know? I would imagine a light is like you. And you said that feeling that you're going in thinking they're gonna just seem is God is disabled guy in a wheelchair. You know, feel pretty crap about it. Yeah. So. Yeah. That being in class for girls was tough. But. The first day. I got to college. I always remember it was a few boys that, but they all went onto the Barbara inside. Absolutely. I wanted to hairdressing myself Mitch I wear your at seven Asli. Obviously, I I wanted to kind of do other things besides just cut in old time. Obviously, I I like to do cutters. Well, and. Just feed us did you to it pretty well in terms of a sigh, you just give? So you're a college, and I just want our listeners to understand are you in a regular. We'll sit down we'll chat. Yeah. So how do you would doubt in that situation? Yes. So when we were. See practicing on the mannequin. Heads basically had one of those like cleanse to the table. There's just by the right height for me. But then I was like in the process of those Li raising funds for a standing wheelchair. Which of see once I got back chair, thou sleep propelled me fervently trained in golf that will soon into this was you get did you get the stand up wheelchair? This September time which was kind of when I started. The course maybe we'll get statute. I started the course. And then I sort of started the page on a bit money in there. And then I had some big donations and. One of them was the Harris charity, which was just a massive help them as amazing. How did I hear about it? Did you get in touch with Emo today? Here about your situation. I think. I think it's just literally because one story kind of went viral like I was on BBC radio Bristol BBC points, west news, which I didn't even know in that. I literally see myself on. It was a shock. When you see this like create. It was good. So you're that kind of that go to their radio the the thing on the news that are just getting messages from people all over the world. People from America, Australia, license, unconscious by viral, and I had the money that you need to raise for the standard wheelchair. Disdained guja. Seven thousand okay. Says, you know, his his quest PISA kitten it came from Switzerland cut. His specially made Switzerland. Yeah. Like September time at the September came in December. So most missions present. Abuse stand. Hey, looking at the picture of it Mitch, and yeah, it's pretty cool. So how do you? So when you'll be Honda chair college, obviously silo law to how does that work. How'd you maneuver that around and walking around the chat because you know, I'm ahead dresser on now. How is behind a chair? So how'd you work around that chair? Why is it basically? It's almost like my style. But I think everyone's call style win hash boy style is basically I'm using that. Chad the clients are Satphone. As you know, always always been the client Ryan do what I need to do rather than me having to kind of lower the chair like my own wheelchair. And then maneuver Ryan the clan. So I kind of move them. Right. And honestly, my child doesn't move along. When in a standard position, I basically lower the chair with the hydrogen lever. And then go anywhere since thundered anywhere in between. But in terms of actually getting Ryan the Klan are going to spend the Ryan just. Yeah. I mean. Perfect reed. Solomon share? Maneuverable and since Ryan and stuff said. It's all kind of will work. I really know slated. So you you put your training at the college. You you're standing moocher your took quite comfortably to hairdresser. Sorry. You took comfortable you'll comfortable with address in. It came co quite easily to you. Yeah. I mean. Thing that I was worried about the most was. Honestly, I didn't want there to be any tasks they'll couldn't, you know, do and the star struggled because the being sat down a little and then going firms into stand in to build that time up. I'm remember started doing fifteen twenty minutes stood up. Practicing on the money though in collisions just get rely headed. Which you know, doctors told me this nothing of just your body needs to get used to be stood up again. But I mean now come on leads vines on literally like stood up all day long. Here is good is good though. I like his can help in long run, you know, human bodies supposed to be enough. Or should I say that all the time when we stand here moaning about off feet. And who I am. Yeah. It's that makes you feel as you should be a fully able person even though I restricted just a bit decided least. But you will not know malady as much as as you possibly can. I guess Mitch. Yeah. I mean, I wish I could feel my feet ache. Instead offers a long time by can. But. You know, like kind of love others problems rather than, you know, being a bit restricted in my shower and. But even though as you know, will the tasks within Harrison, I can do and. You've got your job in asylum. Yeah. Okay. Any discrimination against against you. Because of you, you'll see tuition. I remember I went to this one place in bar to homeless CD out. Condescends? I went in there and said, I'm just wondering if you've any like apprenticeships, so we've positions or training positions college. So I'm looking you don't try and on weei, myself Iran's bath city centre in those leaders law of Kabul street, kind of struggling in a way by just for you need to go friends find place that I can progress. And this guy said. You too old. And I was like what? Yeah. It's kinda weird not full in November. That was an excuse 'cause you see me in char. And he's probably thinking highly. How is he gonna do this job? And I'll see it all people do by the Sonnen, Jaren stuff. So. Then I fooled. You know, our Leitch. A fired up when he said that and I will go and I just said thanks anyway. And then I full on this. I'm just gonna smash young people. And that just made me wanna go for even more. So. Yeah. Just does amazing. And you did. So you don't the college was a year. It's years training. Yeah. To level three as well. But that was advanced hundred carpool. You know, I probably learn more being in a real solemn. We've clients all the time which you know, I have done. You know, building my time's up warm why I'm getting more and more. So a Kanda hairdresser leader Mitch in once you start to work. Love to do. Choppy bulbs. I really like this guy. Unfolding is named Dominic Cerna. East for America on? He does a lot of these actress hair. Basically. His style was just so unique and like the bulbs these creates in does lease hundreds undone height of looks and like choppy, H E waves and stuff, and it just looks awesome. So you got Claude you'll quadrille into that saw that the undone saw a little bit more. Yeah. They such aren't just yes, I g enormously. Like the styles at the moment. Like, it's just a fashion. This slide the way that. It goes on. It's just at the moment. Those loves Trumpy Lopes shoulder-length bulbs that really in it. I just love to keep in with profession. Have it will kind of news on most of the clients your Trenton? Young women. The outrage fashionable and. Yeah. They kind of. Aloft the ladies that show me pictures on their phone of what they might like to have and. Mega few Pinterest, sir. Mu boards. A Senate time is in a shoulder length ball like choppy, wavy and surveys. The I literally watching not donate soon. As is you don't get to put his Lincoln. I'm gonna check him out as well. I'm not aware of obviously. Learn a lot from that. I'd also then Brian's. From him fool because to the show. Yeah. Watched while watch videos will sign look is chosen is just is worse. Just stand in like Mazen who's the hairdresser? You can become an image. What what's the big goal in hairdresser? Just to be. Different light. Trion just be. Be yourself of really creative. And. I just want to show my style. And I kind of if I could be half as good as Ben Ryan be. Resolved. So would you want to education, maybe educating Novus? Yeah. Maybe in the future. But I mean still a long way to go. Of course. But we've got a Bill to I we go to make this happen. And I'm confident we can make this happen. But we want now to tell you to that next level. And as we said to start a show, we have the hashtag guy for campaign. Ben, let's get Mitch walk again. A friends Kito scissors, John, Katie. Of this campaign. So just took us on about what this campaign is. And what the aim of this is. Or is it basically is some? Electrical stimulation. It's the treatment all be hopefully, get in the future. Which basically fires up the damage biff court, I'm from warm weather squashed it. So they implant this voice in moist in most point basically learned to move and like feel things again like any sensations and stuff and is quite low money. Well, we took in what we talk about. When you say quantum bit of money, fifty six thousand is that okay? So, and that's so is this treatment proven. I mean, they've done all different spinal injuries even injuries that where they severed their chords. And they had like cells stem cells from their nose. But incident dommage is confused that court together. I k so I if you wrist it can basically this guy those conceal you've had that done. But then he had the electrical stimulation as well. Which now he can like stand up thirty minutes, just holding on sim bars and. Like, you know, it's not just stand up for me is like. When you know all these people experiencing reduced pain. I get painted off. Nerve pain is really hard to explain it. But it just feels like my legs her life freezing. Hold like. Ray strong pins and needles, but like constant and every day is different. But. Yeah. I mean. So we need to get you into this new area of your life. Yeah. Does that sound? That's let's might this happen. Komo mitch. So we we need this treatment is overseas. You go to America. I need to go to Thailand, I can think of worse places to go. And I be there for thirty days. So that money foods like your stay as a specialist centre halston tool. Yes. I wouldn't that money goes towards three days care rehab. We'll see your perations. A big operation is good for hours to find hours long. An after that treatment. Is success rate of it. I mean, everyone this how to done so far is gained something back. Whether it's. Bladder function. Balance low pressure. Even like things like sexual function, which is obviously a massive thing. Like for me. Anyway, I mean, I'm still young. So lonely. Obviously. In a it's not just the by stunned for me is like everything if I could even if they just said you. You probably win stand up again. But you could feel less pain. That would just be my sieve for me. 'cause just that in itself is just such a hard thing to try and manage. Okay. So the scares me for. You know, they won't be like this forever. Like, I I get right. Come on. I want to how we can how we how much we rise in. Mitch we raised anything yet. Yeah. I mean, she had another Email from the hedges charity. We've said one size as he built the funds up. This is substantial mine in the time. The now going to give me five thousand basically already got one thousand seven hundred in their moment. So won't together. That's like six thousand seven hundred sooner seven thousand. So we call you on that floor. The big shout to the headdresses charity. I'm so glad because so many people don't get sometimes raise money for the hairdressers charity to help addresses. This is exactly why we do it. So big chant salmon the team Ned that they do a terrific job with that. And to hear actually some this is brilliant to hear actually in a row listeners to understand. So we got some of this money, but we have you got a place where you are raising money. And maybe our listeners listening in. You know, who maybe I want to help out with this. How can I help out? Yes. So basically got a a fundraising page on go fund me Juno. Not link off the top of the head or we can put a show night. So if you literally go into go, find me dot com, and then on the search five just put in Mitch Chalmers, basically come up there and. Yes. Those I so I'll I'll give a novel Lincoln, the the Altro to the interview just link there, and I'll put the link in show knows for our listeners, and it doesn't you any little bit will have wanted. Mitch. Yeah. Just like I'm already just kind of amazed at the people that put money in ready, my boss, even put in some time with falls amazing who. Who she must name again James expert at James is for hairdressers, James. Yeah. So yeah, just really just those shock and just like the messages and and stuff from everyone like all over the country in the world. And just everyone's coin words, it just amazing really like I must get at least. Between one in five people week message me direct saying how much inspiration out, but. Like, I said earlier, we don't say. But. Mitch you are an inspiration. I'm telling you now, my you are properly. You know, you don't sit there you not so moaning about it or moping you get normally alive here the best that you can. And I think anybody is listening to this. If they can't be moved by then. Well, how I don't know what you think it's I think you probably may. And I think it's just a credit, and I'm so glad you chose hairdressing as well. Because I know that the hairdressing community will come together and listeners all ions is each one of us just put a small amount. It doesn't matter. Does it make just any little bit amount could help to the bigger picture might your life? Just a little bit easier and more comfortable. Ungrateful for for anything. Really, you know. So we've got to give a shoutout to Johnny Katya. Now, we've mentioned a few times. But how did they get in touch and get these go in? Basically, I actually approached the hairdressers charity, and they said, and I I was looking for some new scissors. And I could you could you like help me out. Not really sure where to sort of look see there's all these online shops and stuff by law wanted to get like this. In a bit of a helping hand on, you know, hero kids approach for scissors and stuff. So so let's see I'm new to it and ninety my college ones it's on which were pretty rubbish. And then. They they directed me onto Akito scissors, Johnny Katie. And they message me direct and semi some scissors which I was just so like grateful for complete it been given some scissors which like are amazing vob, but you love ISIS. Don't we we live officers answer to be honest like I've had some more. They've given me in the ipad. I gave me just a something by just perfect bombing every single pad. I've used are amazing. But like it's just a special by ipad. I give me just a highly recommend their products. Now, Mazen cool. I so commit towards the end of a lovely toy with you mentioned, you know, we're just full of just respect to you really am. And so if people want to reach and get in touch with you where can we find your social media? So I'm on Instagram. Really use Facebook that much but as Modi. Obviously as my career's news on is kind of idea use it didn't more now. What you used line? Instagram is Mitch Chalmers fifty one. Obviously, the Facebook is Mitch homers. I've got the address that front. We'll do four years. Facebook dot com slash Mitch dot charmers dot one. So but a will have the links for everybody. So if you want to help help towards Ben. It's sort of giving Mitchell a even more improve life in new let's really come together. I'm gonna put a link there and help to raise some money and also be added into that as well. It's been brilliant. Really good living hairdresser in Mitch. Yeah. I love it. And find you. Why don't I like before my injury on choose this over anything noticed? It's absolutely taught. Man, you really all mention I'm just inspired me. And but you might be inspired by you might. But you're gonna have to answer dumps five quick fire questions to finish off the interview today. So if you're cool with that, we're going to sort the fly through days, I k so you ready for it. Okay question. One one hair product that you cannot live without. Label. Am text Roy's volumes cry question to you travel back in time to a sixteen year old Mitch what career advice would you give him? Probably just choose something that you can really show off your skills and. Obviously for me. It's hairdressing. But, you know, just if you're a creative person and you like working with people, then Skopje hydrogen. I questioned free who or what is exciting. You most about the future of the hairdressing industry. Just like. The way that like styles change, the fashion changes. I always like to keep him with the times of new styles and new trends. That sounds pretty good answer today. So question fool five all time hairstyle, and why I think I have no idea what you might say. Chocolate lab. Peter would just because. In a sexy. The undone look is h e. It's just like you can never be wrong that look. As your girlfriend got that. Look. Fukuchi? Boy, do I kind of find question, which is tell us one thing that we don't know about you. I'm a big leads him or not. I want hope that wouldn't against you to having a fantastic season. They are not too bad. I'm sure we could see you back in the premise this year. So so thank you. I keep saying benny's because you put Mitch bennema Moines. Thank you Mitch is. You know, I've I've just so glad to have got to know you today. It's been really good and full of admiration, and I just wish you the very best in achieving all the things that you want to achieve food, my friend. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Once more information Sharma's for coming onto today's how to cut podcast so just going to remind you very quickly of that. Go fund me page that Mitch mentioned journey interview. 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Rescuing the boys from the cave  Richard Harris

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Rescuing the boys from the cave Richard Harris

"This is an ABC podcast. I've always found the idea of cave diving to be fascinating and thrilling and so terrifying. I could never possibly attempt it. The whole idea of going down. Deep into the earth diving through narrow passages as of icy cool water into underground caverns Richard Harris. Who prefers to be called? Harry has been doing this with good friend. Craig Challen for many two years in June twenty eighteen. He received a call from fellow cave diver who was in Thailand. A group of teenage boys who are members and local soccer team were marooned somewhere in the back of a flooded cave network in Chiang Rai province the boys had decided to explore the cave life with a young assistant coach. There was a sign at the front. That said danger from July to November is flooding season. But did you lie was still eight days away and then it started to rain hod and the boys were tracked now as it happens Harry when he's not cave. Diving is an unauthorised at an Adelaide hospital. So he's friend in Thailand asked him if it would be possible to rescue the boys by putting them in scuba gear then sedating them and carrying the mount and the journey through the caves would take outs and Harry said absolutely not but when he and Craig flew to talk and they realized that that was the least worst solution and they along with the team of other divers and specialists went about bringing the boys out all the world held its breath. Harry written the story of those extraordinary dies with Craig Challen. Alan and the book is called against all odds. Hello Harry Hi Richard. Please tell me about the joy of cave diving. I'm so fascinated to scary. I'm just to clarify. I five between think about attempting. What's what's the most joyful pot of cave diving view? It's funny that for most people. Caving is their worst nightmare. It's probably like a hot standing on the top of the building looking over the edge Fills me with Tara. Mommy till you see I've got I've got all of that. That's normal. That's a normal and healthy response and the the only way to overcome that and it was the same familiar with guy daubing. It's a slowly amiss. Excuse the PUN. Ms Yourself into that world and you start very slowly very gradually and for me. It started looking for mice people in a very big wide open. Sinkhole Crystal Clear Water Nas beams of sunlight shining down and the water in some of these places. So crystal clear it's I. It's actually hard to explain to people how clear the water is so a lot of people have made to the Beijing summer and you can see the fish fishing the sand or many people who have snorkeled on the Great Barrier Reef or in the Tropics Insane beautiful clear water when you go into one of these freshwater sinkholes that salt water looks like. It's it's cloudy compared to this. It's just an order of magnitude clearer and you swim on the surface and look down and you can say twenty or Oh thirty. made us to the bottom. Some people actually get to guide. I feel like they're gonNA fold because it feels like you're in the in the air so what's not to love about that and that's how you get drawn into it and and of course you do training gradually explore more more different thoughts and then you start to think. Well what's around the next corner what's just onto that ledge and slowly kind of have get more and more into it when you come into some of these Gorgeous Underwater Cathedral like Kevin Spacey's is something about being suspended in the water as like. It's almost like you fly. Floating like a dreamlike experience being floating in the water and looking around at all this magnificence will around Yaw. It's it's there's a sort the three dimensionality you can't achieve anywhere else and even just putting your head underwater and breathing air for the first time. I can remember doing that in a swimming pool as a kid read that. That's just a great trick to put your face in the water and then keep breathing just blows blows me away still. I mean every time I jumped in the water and I'll do that. This is cool cool. You can be underwater and still brave and so it's just I've been obsessed with it since I was a young teenager. Your friend Craig. Challenge your book with you. Close friend friend. How did you meet him in? How did you get the we met through diving? We were introduced by a couple of cave diving friends who You know we both knew. And we're at Conference calls take in Sydney which is an international of technology conferences held every two years and we were both explorers. I guess by that stage and A might said Oh you black should say good idea by the. You're both pretty silly. I guess the talking to you by the medical expenses event new being a doctor and they said you've got a similar ties. Fakes you go should get. And then the next year we were both invited on an expedition up to a very might right sinkhole in the northern Kimberley's completely off the charts unmapped on now and someone had spotted from an airplane as they flew over it and so he mounted this expedition with a few other blogs and went dargin got on well. So we've been continuing to together since then so that was about two thousand five. I've been told you been cave diving with Craig in around the sink holes in the nullarbor I've been told like the nullarbor is just one of the great parts of the world for is that right. Aw It's it's fabulous. It's the single biggest slab of Lobstein in the world and Apparently there I have a ten thousand mocked features thoughts there For diving with the KYW. VESTA deepen up through the limestone to reach the water table. said it's about ninety meters depth before you get to the water so the caves have to be deep enough to even get into the water but once they do they just take off. There's one cave cocoa bitty Kyw that Craig and some friends were out exploring about four weeks ago and that six point two kilometers from the entrance to the firing of the God all really got the idea of being stuck in the end of a six point two kilometer underwater tunnel. It's just it's just even talking about it's making my hair to stand on. And that's wild. Tunnels Railway Tunnel. You could literally two or three trains next tweet. Djelic could go up and down in Sawed Crystal Clear Water Brilliant Watt Lobstein silt and mud. That just stunningly beautiful when you under their what's the impetus is a two. Are you looking go. Further all the time or to see beautiful things All of the above but the the exploration is truly the goal. And that's the bug that makes us. Let's keep going back in and look for different kinds and new adventures because it's a bit of a cliche but the only place left on this planet way a you can actually put your foot into a new piece of the cave or new tunnel and say on the first person to ever see this and in fact you can't even predict that. Is there until you walk around the corner or swim around the corner and see it for yourself. You know you can look at the rest of the of the planet from a satellite on Louis even and you can go. Well tomorrow will climb that mountain or I can look from the base of the mountain to the top with my binoculars but with caves. There's no way to neither neither there until you walk into them and explore them with your hands and feet. So I don't over state this is a bit like being. An astronaut is a privilege to being there that spice side some mm-hmm well. We don't like to use the astronaut analogy because if I say this on the radio one of my friends who out there on a Wednesday astronaut but it it is not the guy the guy but there are some similarities. I mean obviously. It's a low tech exploration compared to NASA. But you know the some of the equipment we use as a similar with ray braves where we recycle gas and That allows us to be very efficient and go much further on the water You truly so nate to be I self sufficient immodest welby on the side of the moon if you six kilometers underground and you have an accident. There is no one who is coming to help you. Yeah what can go wrong. Well the obvious obvious things you can run out of. Aero you can panic or you can Suit up the cave and lose your navigation We always run a continuous God. Not long piece of string through the five so that we can find out why out again but you can lose that or it can break. The kind of itself is very benign place you know. It doesn't tend to full down on your or trickle tricky. It's always human era ninety nine percent of the Thompson that gets people in trouble. You was sent out on a rescue mission to recover the body of a diver. Woman New Agnes Malacca who had died on a cave diving expedition. kind of them as agnes agnes was a wonderful person. Listen she was young explorer She was rapidly game gaining a name for herself in cave diving and caving exploration she was Unin late twenties but she already traveled around the world exploring caves and I was hoping to make a career out of being a cave explorer and a cave and maybe a media personality in that space and there was no question that she was exceptionally talented. There's a group of caves and Kaif's who we just stand alone from the rest of us and you can just you can sort of sense that they've got some extra skill was like you know the the one hundred meter athlete whose compared to the the kids at school or the local running club was something that we're doing the same thing but these people are special and are nine three or four of them around the world and she was she was well she was one of them. Yeah she was extraordinary but the sign is old pilots and bold pilots. But there's no old. Bold pilots unfortunately gone of applaud to Agnes. Because Bang Cy Young. I think she didn't really have a sense of our own mortality and she was pushing really hard to find chives and You know wriggling going through very taught. Bits of five to find passages beyond and she'd been very successful at doing that actually in Australia and the US but on this occasion agency. She got herself winkled into taught spot that she couldn't extract yourself from so she drowned in the. I'm just thinking you when you do something. Living Life diving you have to be an intrepid Saul and you have to have that that level of daring but the flesh and blood out we and well there's limitations to see we definitely don't think of Esso's as Adrenalin junkies it's very measured and controlled and always think of that amazing racing documentary about Alex Huddled the Free Free Silos where that Guy Climbs El Capitan. You know he does it without ripe. So three and a half thousand foot or something she vertical face and he challenges himself to climb it without without any ropes. Will you know equipment and you watch that film and you realize that guy is not in his right. Probably never gives gets about sixty and if it does that that means something's going wrong he's measured. It's like choreography. The way it goes up that hill. And that's the way we try and perform complex caved odds. It should be very very slow methodical. We were really into that. Pre visualization way of think. Through what you gotTa do before you get there and trying envisage every twist and turn in the cave and try and imagine all the things that can go wrong so that you kinda dealt with them before the before you get there. I'll certainly fond that approach Very effective in keeping myself. I Self Saif. Where were you when you got the news about the boys being marooned in the network of caves? We'll be doing well. I saw a snippet in one of the in the local who newspaper Early on twelve boys in the coach stuck in a cave in Thailand Just a tiny little paragraph in the pipe and so being interested listed in in Volunteer Cave rescue in Australia I obviously took night of that and started to follow the story and then I heard that a couple of people on you wherever they eh British Guy Who You mentioned Rick Stanton and his friend John Lengthen and another guy from Belgian who lives in Bukit a helical Ben Ryan minutes so I started Oughta just texting those guys and just seeing what was going on and sighing? If if we can help it okay let us know but really in the early stages of the rescue no one and the children were alive. I mean I've that monsoon flood a kid. That dry cave turn into a river which emerged from the entrance and the kids hadn't been saying for fist at die and then two days three and four and of course everyone just ashamed that drowned probably in the first hour or I had perished I in the dial two that had followed so everyone was very pessimistic about the chances of them being found alive so it was gloomy. Sort of the operation was likely to be a retrieval retrieval of bodies of these pork. Yeah that's but but found the kids. Yes I di- nine Rick Stanton in an Giang vallance and lead baynes slowly pushing. They Y foods through the cave with the help of the Scott. Been Rhyming words and lying rope behind them. So they could always find their way back count and online on I suddenly popped up Ricken John into this China and saw a couple of lots come on in the distance and they were these twelve boys and they coach sitting eating on this very steep muddy sleep withing they one or two last reminding headlamps at at the Brits but was the morale Lachmann though discovered apparently exceptional exceptional and that was certainly my experience when I first met them three three or four days later they were in great shape They had non dies in there with no food whatsoever. Just been drinking water and I didn't really know what kids would be. Lockout to non days of not eating lead still be walking looking all standing apparently though I would stand there disease but All Smalley and obviously very happy to receive some visitors and recollection. Is that the the world media sort of lip for joy. They're there live. Isn't that great. That's fantastic just wisk them out somehow and it's going to be fine. What were you thinking when you saw those Harari? The boys are alive. And that's when the story when completely volume around the world was in the middle of the Russian World Cup soccer and apparently that even kick the soccer off the front page of the Russian newspapers Walpole soccer club with Jiang Rog. Got On the page did but yeah I mean I was. I was starting to think well. You know because I've been talking to these local caves on the ground and I knew that rival two and a half kilometers underground Three hours with doffing to get them out and I wasn't the anti thinking How's this GonNa work and we're going to get them out of damn so while the world is going right we're gonNA bring the boys at you? You realized how very very hot that was kind of do and Rick Stanton was this A level of pessimism haw if that makes sense he was actually thinking of leaving Thailand that point because he could see no why that these boys were coming out alive and in fact he was gravely concerned that they were going to be multiple deaths apart from the boys because all of these military and police rescued offers now pouring boring into the cave trying to get to the kids to help them but the navy seals and the like but they experienced K- kind of dive is on zero type diving experience. I mean very accomplished divers. They're in Rod late combat divers. The United. The Best of the best of the best sort of thing. I've been oceans very different thing from diving into it is and When you've got a roof above your head and a couple of guys underground you have to now had yourself out in that particular environment because you can't just head for the surface so like I said at the start? rix It to you. Would it be possible to these boys to the point where it completely knocked out and in and then ferried them out in scuba gear and you said that's just not an option. Why did you say that? What did you think that was an option at that point? Well I mean it's unprecedented. I automate no one's ever attempted to do that before about that. Why would you ever ever even conduct that experiment putting someone in scuba gear and and letting them up with anaesthetic can sing? If everything's Okay one experiment done by one undermine Historical here is a gakuen. Edgar Pask who was a physiologist who worked with the British air force. I think in we'll tell you and Edgar Edgar was asked by the Air Force to prove the my whist loft jackets would hold an Amazon up wrought with his Aiwa out of the water if they were unconscious. Awesome and gone down in the English Channel. So it'd get got a whole lot of people and put them in the pool with the loft jackets and said just pretend you're asleep and See if you sorta roll live and he. He wasn't convinced that they went sort of interfering with his experiment and trying to rot themselves. At the last minute rush out sit right. Well that's it all have to face the tawes someone say festival did it to himself. Had himself as the TAW's inch abided with a tube through his mouth into his windpipe. What a guy? Put off jacket on thrown in the pool. Wow and he had several trips trips to hospital apparently during the course of the experiments but he did prove that the loft check. It did hold the aircrew Feis up so just as as Asadabad There's now a citation called the Edgar pesky citation Which is offered by the Association of Great Britain and all and for Nacer to do fun things things outside the office and I was there in December received the citation which is was really really spread to get it so anyway. We'll see anyone. Can you explain why. What's the Dacian was forced to be necessary or helpful in this case with the boys? Yeah because the cave was a as I said about two and a half kilometers from where the boys were to The entrance and a bout. I've a one kilometer of that. It was fully underwater And not just underwater but pitch black conditions. The the water was like coffee zero visibility. Even with your odds and then a lot on you could see a few centimeters just brown cloud in front of you so I I actually camelot's often close my eyes mice. The Tom Fan that more relaxing than trying to sort of peer into this brand brown nick and also some very taught restrictions as you pass through the cavs areas. Where you'd have to wriggle under a rock with your front and you and you back touching the rock to sort of re? We'll your way through. So if you can imagine if I don't know if you've done the scuba diving Richard but presumably Nike Talk to you just to trust me. And just breathe in and breathe that. Hold the regulator in your mouth and I'm GONNA go underwater for three hours. You might say anything for the next three hours will rate to one of these restrictions will probably have to go through first and then pull you through behind me. You know. They're coming back for you or not. Do you think you could do that without panicking panicking. I'm on the I'm on the verge of panicking right now. So we're just talking about it. That's that just seems to like perfectly so you would just worry that the boys would panic. And and what might be pulled the Moscow for something well same sadly that scuba divers as they penny often let the mouthpiece full out or physically take it out themselves. It's just a reflex wchs and that shortly followed by breathing water. Say IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR SCUBA divers to panic and die with air in the tanks. Thanks still if if they were going to cave divers to ferry the boys out they would they would have to be sedated to stop them from panicking but having sedated them. What problems could you to foresee with having sedated your your packages so to speak? Yeah well I thought about this. Obviously a lot and there were three things that I thought thought would would end up in the boys dying under an anesthetic underwater. The first thing is that. Obviously if you're unconscious you can't hold a mouthpiece in your mouth so we'd have to use a thing called a full face mask. It would go all the way around the face and under the Chin side that would just breathe in and out into the spice in front of their face. It didn't they wouldn't need to hold anything in their mouth. But the chances of that not getting water over the course of a three Adolf just same same as possible or you have to seal it really probably going to get onto the teen guys. RV Of who had down the SOLIDS vice random deitch in and if it gets watering than normally as you will diving. It's just a routine that you clear a bit of water out of your mouth from time to time in the sign with these full face masks so I thought surely over the course of three as with that with Darva not being able to even say the boy next to him then water will get in there and they'll drown inside their own mosques so that was my first concern and we've had some biases for that concern. We've done quite a bit of training using these mass in cave rescue scenarios and trod myself and pretended to be unconscious lock Edgar Pask and found that water. They get into the mosque and and needed to be cleared. `Boy Bava so it was the first thing the second thing. Is You know everybody does a fist. I'd cost Lens that. If somebody is unconscious they need to have their airway held open. And if the chin falls on their chest the airway can obstruct and say you just need to have the nick extended a little bit and the Chin held up and I thought again and surely in in the course of three as some point they away will obstruct and these British divers who will be taking the boys out trying nurses doctors paramedics. They want they want and really know how to look after a child's AOI and they want to see it. So that's the next thing felt sure would would kill the boys and the the third thing is that under anesthesia. Your body temperature tends to full quite quickly and we take active measures in the operating theatre to prevent that but in twenty three degree water. Ah same certain that during three hours with these boys in pretty loose fitting wetsuits that they would get profoundly by them and they would perish from that so I could think of three things just off the cuff that I felt sit and would would kill her kids. Any one of them are feeling this dreadful sense of dread that I I just have to remind myself. This has a happy ending as you told me this but I feel distrustful sense of dread. Did you feel that as you were. That was being put your. You are supposed to be another way to do this in another ordering the kids the law. I was determined not to embark on this. This madness felt for less raisins Kennewick and I was very clear everyone about that and At the end of the day the only reason I fondly did agree to do that. Do it was that there was no other option that in fact the other options seemed even worse if that was possible. So when you and Craig arrived at the scene Thomas what what did you see their outside the case. What was that like? It was quite chaotic. You know we got out of this little. What feeding minivan and I've been the door. The first thing I saw was a sea of cameras of the Thai media they would the cameras and microphones pointed at me and completely unprepared for that. I didn't have anything anything to say. No you know and I didn't know what they wanted from May say you know head down and scurried off as quickly as possible and there are thousands of people so this this area outside outside the cave had turned into a little tent city to support the rescue because apparently towards the end of the rescue that would nearly ten thousand people around inside this this mountain and they donated fading and haircuts and claimed clause and also anything you want was on offer in this in this little village so I am and just same completely disorganized to me. You know the people in every top of military uniform from all around the world including tall and obviously with their and there it was nice sense of order or or who was in charge. We had no idea they need to name names. was there a gigantic amount of ice covering going on as well and time-wasting well well people who wanted to be important. For what makes you say that to be honest and to be fair to the Thai authorities in this most impossible position position because if they did nothing than the boys would surely die if they did something the boys would surely die but they would be saying to have taken an active role in that. So I was actually delimit. Wasn't a fish oil so I was very surprised. The ties actually had the courage to Mike. A positive causative decision and let us do what we did. Because you know that would have spelt the death of the children in a very positive y you know they would have said do this and the children would have thought awed clear who who was to blame for that the the boys right misses that was smuggled out things like mom and dad I love you please. Don't worry I am safe. If now mom and dad please get ready to make to eat fried chicken mom and dad. If I can get out please take me to wheat crispy pork these poor kids thinking about food. Don't worry sorry I am safe now with the boys thinking that was saved once they'd been discovered I mean you couldn't no one could tell them how perilous situation will surely. I think these kids have between eleven living in sixteen years of age. They're not stupid. They know that they're in big trouble. And imagine that non dies in the dock with no one coming they must have felt that they would doomed for sure. But then suddenly these two white men dressed like spice men appear from the water with the lots on the helmets. I can't imagine what they must have looked blocked last tie boys. I've probably never seen a scuba dive of before lateline COUPLA Brits Kevin and all this gear they must have looked half monster half severe. It must have been an extraordinary so I wish a fly on the wall just to look at the look on those kids vices but are recognizable to thought. Well he's this is salvation now surely but maybe well they probably didn't realize the gravity of the situation still On Air Online and on the listen this is conversations with with Richard Fidler on ABC radio. You can subscribe to the conversations podcast on cost to find out more just head to either dot net dot EU slash conversations. While you were there before you could go in Harry you were told you would need diplomatic immunity. Why would you need that at? You is on the morning of the first rescued. I one of the Gods from the Department of Foreign Affairs Phase and tried came up to me and in that Ghana Bureau speak that has to be softened slightly. He said to me Harry look in the interest of full disclosure Just need to let in the event of any adverse outcome is not impossible that you could end up in the todd judicial system sort of thought through those words wits and humane if one of the kids Dawes. Oh go to Joe and he said that that could happen. Yeah so I I literally put my wet suit on it behind us on was about to walk off into the cave on that first morning and just sit there and look. I count even conceded that at the moment so much in my brain thinking about what we're about to do. I'll just have to trust you guys to get us out of tall and if there's a problem say they they said I think that already been working hard on getting the diplomatic immunity from a cell phone craig who they sores. The two people who had my sloppily be in the crosses if there was a problem paying the medical people and we were told at the end of the next day that we that had successfully been achieved. But I'm not quite sure what point that that that got. The rubber stamp isn't that Nice to have diplomatic immunity in the first place. But before you wanted to begin the rescue you you wanted to go and have a look and see the boys tell me about that. I swim traveling through the system. How that works going through that network of this isn't a pleasure dive either? Is it before you wouldn't normally live have in a cave that is actively flooding guiding in a cave. Where you guys swimming in a cave? That's full of water but it ain't going one that's a transition between the two. It's just not a safe site. So what is still streaming through the system late still actively flooding and despite the best efforts of all the engineers and so forth tron pump dry and drying it. It is still filling filling with water and so what is Dry Spice can easily quickly turned into a flooded spice again and vice versa and rick and John had been there from the start you know when I arrived at the kind of it was completely undrivable. The strength of the water coming out was impossible to overcome. They just got spat out of the entrance when they first tried to swim in and and it was the fact that the Ryan settled for a few days and the active pumping and so forth started. Meant that the water levels were under control but rick was very nervous about what would happen if another flood pulse. Came through the cave in other words. you know if there was a big dump of Ryan up in the mountains was about a twelve ad delay. Okay and then it's basically lot flushing the toilet. This wall of water can come through the caved and they would have been the end of thin with investors will attend into. You know just amount from your boys did was yeah so it wasn't cold but you know same pretty under control while we're in. There was any the last rescued I win was really really nervous about them. Flooding sort of starting up again. So when you did that swimmed. I describe that swim what it was like going through. Is that the Woodford dive. I suppose really more than you could have really done fiends on to be honest Site the first six hundred meters actually essentially dry has got a river running through it. But you've whiting through water and client little waterfalls and I have a boulders and that sort of stuff and then you get to The advanced dive by China three. which is the SAUZA? Gymnasiums go to big sand hill in the middle of and there was a heap of Tyne Ivy people actually living in there and supplying the divers who starting operations from that point on so the rooms full of scuba tanks that had a fabric WIFI connection in this little field hospital setup in there. It's just a little community underground and then. This is tawny little dirty Eddie. Pool of puddle of Brown water signifies the start of the proper diving operations. And then from that point on the Rabat dogs. So you got through an underwater intersection then pop up into another river. Wide Swim will crawl through that section. And then back down underwater again and so on and so forth until you get to. The boys took about three hours to get through that. And what did you see when you when you stuck your head above the water. Well above the water this muddy banks and rocks and you can Z.. Sort of todd marks in the daddy bath where the war has been going up and down you could see scratches on the roof where the British swam through about two meters above where water level was. By the time we go the pumping had been reasonably effective. Then sometimes the ripe that they had lied through the guy was hanging along the ceiling. Because I'd been swimming a couple of days alia so I really dramatic changes in water levels and fly. You could say and when you go to the boys I did it stink because the I don't think the laboratory facilities are too good in China benign there by and not only did it smell. You could say the water quality was not good they were flighty bits and froth on the water and what looks like polluted water supply and yeah the the smell was overwhelming. It's fair to say to see the boys. Will you know that. That's one of the moments always a anxious when I was sifting into chime in on and I could recognize by the color of the Ripe Old Ben told the there's been blue right which leads up to where the boys were subtly Leo Moments Blue Roy from heading up and I can see the Shimmer of the water above me if Sean a lot up there and bright bright the stiffest there and it's about one hundred remade swim around to where the boys might not that far and I feel quite nervous that moment because I thought you know up until now though this is being a bit of an adventure as a bit of a hypothetical but now actually about to make these these boys for the first time and Rick had said to me in in a phone call. While I was still in headlight. Allied that kind of warning. He said you know you're GONNA come to the too tall and you're gonNA say these boys if you get to the end of the cave and they're gonNA look happy and healthy and and they knew all my sailing and a turnaround and lay them. They had to die because we don't think there's any way we can get them out so those woods would kind of sitting in the Beckham. Amman officemate officemate met these boys and of course beautiful kids. They're all smiling and standing and interacting couple of having a bit of a squabble at the back though of sort of having a bit of a fought luck. Twelve in your account. I've a state the courage of these kids and their resilience that why would just looking at a bunch of kids sitting in the guy of waiting for the bus. The United Wedding to the guy that did the did the coach. The assistant coach was trapped in there with him. Did he have a role in keeping them. Calm I'm sure. He played a huge role. I've enormous admiration him for coach. So he he was a guy who was a from May and ma I think he was stateless and he had been adopted by this community and in particular the the the Walpole's soccer club and he had become part of this big soccer family and he was a friend of these kids as much as they're they laid a hit spent three years as among say a he obviously knew how to meditate and drew heavily on that. I think to help keep the boys come so I think he was very instrumental in maintaining the morale so the I rescued I swim right out to the furthest extent out to chime in on the boys in the coach were how did you rip them. The first boy for his his trip through the two three hour trip through the through the caves side the die before when Craig directly through the Cave we explained lined with the plan was To the kids cited by that stage there were four navy divers in with the boys in fact one of them was a doctor. An army doctor but he was Jill qualified as an army doctor toy navy seal and very overqualified young man. Very Amazing Guy Ashley. And so through him. I explained tomorrow. We're GONNA come back and The boys are going to get a tablet which will just sedate them a little bit. And then they'll come down and sit on my lap. They'll get two injections. One is the acidic acidic drug ketamine and the other one is a drug atropine. which will help drive? This secretions in math. KAZAA thought even if celebrate too much like withdrawn inside their own mosque. And then they'll be asleep and we'll finish dressing them in gear and one of the British Gauze. We'll swim them out of the cave. especially if you're one of those boys what you hearing. Is this nice mankind arrive. He's going to be something that'll make you fall asleep and you wake up and you'll be with your family again. That's what that's it. That's quite a nice nice for the boys pretty much any any data gave them. I'll admit I didn't go into any any more details than that I thought to myself that there's no point sharing with the boys. My grave concerns about the chances of this plan working. What's the point in having? They lost Arab. They aloft bank filled with Tara so I pretty much tell them that. Exactly what you just said. They're going to go to sleep and wake up in hospital and easy peasy. This is Jason. Melanson was one of the British rescue. Diva's who actually carried some the boys through this is him describing. The journey was like Myra was one of the vocal recovery divers so I would take a kid from channel nine. I'm bringing the whole way out. And depending how line laid them on the right inside the left hand side I behold in the back or hold in the chest chewing through the show-me home the first Reasonable ability I could see so a matron from tomato. I didn't have to hold onto the line by the last day. It was no visibility. Two is much more mentally exhausting and I had to have the lot really close to me because if you didn't you a bashing his head against against the rocks whereas if I had my head quite close to him on I extended my head in my head was bashing rox first so we could you the visibility was that body. Couldn't didn't see the rock until you actually hit it. So each section of flooded section was a much slower process when the visibility was bad. That's just talking on the four corners special on the rescue of the boys. From the case. In in Thailand there was required to actually have the boy's hands and feet bound wasn't what what was the thinking behind that we were worried that If the boys are asleep in their arms and legs it will floating out everywhere that they'll get tangled up in all the Stella taught and projections in the Kai because some of the areas we're very constricted. We had to really fade them through these gaps in holes so we wanted them to be as packaged up as possible to make the transition and through those places very smooth and streamlined. And it's quite an F for one of the breach to swim pushing a boy underwater for three as we wanted them to be as streamlined Indus. Possible the other thing was that if the boys suddenly wake up the anesthetic where off wore off than the risks that they would jump and rip their Moscow or even more concerning offending might interfere with the British rescued off his mask and drown. Drown him. So you know I mean the first priority in any of these sort of rescues is to protect the rescuers I that has has to be the number one priority in any of the emergency services. It's like the same principle as when the mosque dropped from the ceiling on the planet and fit. You'll mosque first before feeding the other person's especially especially the captain and I'm very happy for him to put his own to do that is So I mean that was very confronting for me to have to clip flip. These kids hands behind their back after they were putting a mask on their face and pushing them. Underwater was bad enough but this really felt like God really cross some gone on a moral. There must have been really strange. You needs to ties these kids. So they're knocked out and then you gotta lie them down face down in the water. That's just felt very odd for you. Well the first time I did it I just so what I'm doing. I mean I honestly thought I was performing euthanize your especially the first day when I did not believe that this could possibly work aalto. Doing this is to stop the kids experiencing a very slow lingering death from starvation and exposure in the cave. which was the alternative? So you sit four boys off like that in the water like that. When did you the first lot head come through okay? Well there was a little communication fire which was entirely my fault on the fist. Ice I the idea was that the first boy would go out and Rick Stanton was helping cry Dan in China which is the China immediately after the fist. And once. That boyd passed through that China. Then Rick was going to swim in and let me know with that first. One had survived that I that I I was a decent test. It was about three hundred meters long. Bet Twenty minutes however unfortunately I forgot about that part out of the plan and so I immediately and they was the second boy and sent him out and then suddenly remembered that I was supposed to white so it was down tools until further notice and that caused rick and Craig a bit of trouble Ashley. Traffic Jam that was a traffic jam. And mainly because two of the What we call the euro as a couple of guys who lived in Thailand was supposed nice to be in there hoping Craig at that point but they had go to be confused about what location that was supposed to be? Because that's the guy will. Conner looks to Simon Thy were in China Seven Chamber right side cry again and Rick Head to carry these these boys pretty much by themselves through two hundred and fifty meters of tunnel with with with rocks and sand and all sorts of stuff so very difficult to do so by the time the second boy arrived they were exhausted already and I had to do the same of the second one anyway so I did white after the second boy and then Rick Swam through to me and told me that cipher say goodbye. Boys it's evolved that first test but You know those plenty any more and more difficult cave to go after that and the majority of the cave in fact so we didn't know whether any of them had survived the entire journey Ernie until the end of the day when when we came out. So you told One of the US Air Force guards who is greeting in China. Three the advanced off by S- you know we'd surface surface in there in our member Moscow often saying what's what's the news and And this American Gossett for four dock and I immediately ashamed handyman for it afford Daud and I knew that was going to happen and he said don't I good for four law there and hospital. Oh your beauty. So that's a good start then. The Prime Minister of Thailand came Dan. You were told he wanted to make you and Craig and the others and shake your hint. What was the problem with that idea? I think that was on the second rescue. Not Quote. Remember now but you know we'd been in the Kyw for twelve hours a day and says we'd come out of the cave we'd straight into these meetings for briefings and debriefings and the laws ones Ni- every single detail of the plan of course and you know. Should we change anything. Could we fix anything. We would just running on fumes by the side stage. We are completely exhausted and then would just about to head off to our hotel and someone announces the Prime Minister's about to arrive and there's is anyone die I think successfully done at this point and he said and I say he wants to come and meet the rescuers he wants to congratulate US idea. That's bad I very. It's very someone else had gone wrong. Exactly so how did you get hedge. Did you dodge the prime minister said we gotta get out of here. We've got to get back to the hotel and The Fat Guy said well. You can't the roads closed for the cavalcade. Come up the right and I said well. What's the one thing that can get through a traffic jam an ambulance with flashing lots? So I said can we get an ambulance so he said. Let's try that because you know working ambulance service in South Australia Sonya had through traffic and so I think it's the one great idea I've ever had in my office and anyway so we followed into this ambulance and locks on and we just dome through down the hill and got back toyoto wait until one of the divers on the final day of the rescue had dropped the line and and so he got confused and it was up to you then to you've volunteered to take that prosecutor experience. Can You keep me a picture of. If that's the word for of or describe what that was like to carry this inert boy exterior as you go through these tiny passages my job at Bain to stay in China nine and they stars. HR and hand them off one of the British authors who would take them all the way out and then we had these other divers along the whitest support that and so it was feeling I saw relieved after the last child was passed off and I gathered up my gear and started added Mile Long and Langley swim out of the cave and I got to the last chime before the fallen will dive and I came across one of the British daughters who is standing there looking looking. What as a geist and he had the boy floating on the water next to him still breathing away in bubbling from his mosque? And I say to you and he said No. I've just had a rule near miss in the next section which had a particularly difficult little maneuver to get through successfully. Had To really winkle your way through this three d. puzzle tetris or something. You've got to have one hand here in one arm and one leg up this way and then you fit through this whole you know in in doing that. He had drop the rope the Laughlin and of goals in zero visibility. Than you'd I know whether you're coming or going literally say. He had spent fifteen minutes. Underwater Circling Around Toronto Relocate the Laughlin in the ended found a cable on the floor of the cave which was a Electric cable supplying a pump. So he's he reasonably assume that that will allow the late in or out of the cave and sort of toss the coin and ended up going back into the cave say he was back further into the cave but at least he was back in Saif plice. The child was starting to wake up Getting colder all the time. So that's when I came across salmon. He looked really rattled. Them in fifteen minutes is a long time to be underwater with limited guests applause. Swimming around with the boys about to wake up and not really nine with your ever GonNa fall on the surface again so said look you just take your time to collect get your thoughts in all tight this boy through the last section which I was actually conned a place to back because I felt like that was the last little piece of this puzzle that I could experience and feel like really involve with these boys and so I took the boy from him and started to swim through that part of the cave. Ventas Bang very conscious when I approached the little puzzle pot Not to do the same thing that he had and so what you do. Is You have to the line. If you can follow the law and it goes between a crack in the rock about three inches high. Say you can't fit through this. I have to pull the lawn to the rot and ray chat with Iraq hand to fund the whole you can fit through whilst not letting go the lawn and that's fun except then you've got this united third hand hang onto the boy and so I can see how this blood had a problem so I tuck the law and undermine lift armpit while on the guy shot at my wife through the whole with the boy. Let go a Rod. And then I went back to find the lawn and I couldn't find it and also done exactly the same thing as as the British go and it's a spent about two minutes looking for and then despite my best and techniques for searching for Las Lawn it's a recognized training thing and then suddenly all found the right back on my feet again and all that time regime say there was the one place you can find it. I suppose if you waving around in the water exactly but I felt pretty stupid but happy deeply relieved tapley relieved so the boys came out. They were all find the coach which the boys they all came out alive. Afterwards the media said it was a miracle. What did you think when when the media was calling it a miracle well to me? Hey this is the sort of the reverse Swiss cheese model of incident a analysis of the Swiss cheese model for those who knows when all the holes in the to chase lineup and the era manages to find its way through seven lives of cheese by finding all the holes and then hits its target. And that's when accidents happen because all those things of sort of missed out on some for me. It was a a backwoods vis Swiss cheese because somehow everything had just gone rot. But any one of those things on the day could've not Lond up and and one of the children could have dawn but it was less of the miracle but more about You know fourteen. People supported by thousands thousands of people who just extraordinarily passionate about their craft have spent decades refunding it by moving large new pieces of equipment and food and other resources through caves so that we can camp in remote locations. All of these things have completely prepared is for this particular operation and and for me personally and combining that experience with my loft of performing anesthesia and critical care medicine not just just an uprising theaters but sometimes that the road saw in developing countries and so forth. I just felt like the whole recipe was designed around My lawf- off my life to this point was designed around preparing me for this moment. The EUA cave diver really experienced cave diving and an assist. It's it's just that's that's got to feel weird. I think this this crisis that you've inadvertently been preparing your whole life to with suddenly was there. That's been odd isn't it. I know you're a man of science but it just seems it's strange coincidence instance but I suppose especially when I was trying to make is that ultimately thing those being called a miracle was you. Are you have no choice but to reach for really corny words like compassion and courage ingenue. It's easy and hard work and persistence all those things. That's what it really was. Say It's a miracle at all Said triumph of hard work and and macgyver and macgyver guiding diapering boys hospital sitting there playing video games sitting onscreen games in the hospital but Yeah they had about seven bowls of different foods in front of them. Say Yeah the next. I cry and I kind of Bluff Day away into the hospital under the pretense of doing a medical ward round. This serious must have a good looking to see a patient on them and it. That was a beautiful couple of as I have decide. Gang ran and shaking them by the hand and they didn't have a lot of time for us so much more intent on filling their stomachs with their fiber Taco. But now it was very nice and actually saying the navy seals as well especially duck. The doctor who had formed a really close bond inside the cave with having another medical man in there who spoke a bit of English or Fan enormously reassuring just to sort of night that he was there as well. Sharing this worry. I'm afraid I can't take any credit for those rescue la-z-boys but I gotta tell you every time almasy footage of them alive and will happy and safe. It makes me feel very happy. It makes me really feel happy. Those boys are going to live to live. I wonder if that ever wears off seeing those la-z-boys happy in non around locked-in edge boys not for me it's It's brilliant. And I think they have been given this amazing second chance. And there's a bit of pressure sure on them to use that wisely from from the community you know you've you know you need to be pillars of society. Work hard at school. Do great things because you know you've been given this opportunity. They say they'll stand up or to that pressure and they'll still be at a fond of bit of pleasure in love. You have quite rightly been awarded. You've been inaudible a few times. You've received achieved in Thailand the award and a hypocrite. This Knights Grand Cross First Class of the most admirable order of the direct. nob Horn did a KUNA porn during. You don't have to call you your majesty from now on this show what the equivalent would be. Your Majesty sounds Tacky and of course you in Craig. Straighten of the year when that happened happened. What what did you want to send about about teenage boys and girls often lifestyles? People who come to this award arrive arrive at a usually after decades of working hard on some grave social injustice or fighting some campaign for good and criminal. Just a couple of Blake's red light in Perth. You've got this slightly unusual Hobie we're gonNA involved in what was one of the greatest adventures of L. Laws and suddenly to be recognized with this awarded. Awarded felt incredibly embarrassing. I have to say and since you guys completely deserve you took a terrible burden you'd be that's the truth. We're all ganging her right now now but it was a terrible burden you took on. I'm glad you guys got it. Well I have. We got We did the everyone talks about the impostor syndrome for people who receive awards like this and I don't think it's ever been true if a cry but anyway we've got it and I guess putting that Assad thought that we need to do something good with this for for the next twelve months. And that's that's the way we're trying to approach it. 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Abandon Unwholesome, Cultivate Good, Purify the Mind | Ajahn Hasapanna

Buddhist Society of Western Australia

20:42 min | 1 year ago

Abandon Unwholesome, Cultivate Good, Purify the Mind | Ajahn Hasapanna

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18: "How to Not Be the Worst" Week

Feedback with EarBuds

10:11 min | 1 year ago

18: "How to Not Be the Worst" Week

"Hey your buddies this week. It's all about manners and etiquette and how to just not be the worst. Welcome to feedback with ear. Your buds brought to you by ear. Buds podcast collective. I'm your host and the founder of your Buds Ariel Nissim lab. This episode covers the week of February three through seven twenty twenty. Any this week show is brought to us by buzzed sprout platform. That helps you start a podcast of your own. We're also supported by the pit lane. Pearly podcast say that three times fast last piddling partly podcast pit lane partly podcast but like you say you get the point ear buds. podcast collective is a listening movement. We send an email every Sunday that contains cathedral and five podcast episodes on that theme. And each week's podcast picks are curated by a different person. Anyone can curate list. This show is just that I'll share our five podcast episode recommendations of the week some information about curator and some more information about the episode's chosen we'll also share some podcast industry industry news from the inside podcasting newsletter. I are ear buds podcasts. Collective recommendations this week's the miss how did not be the worst. The curator is James Smithson. Here's why James Chose chose this theme. He writes these days. Couldn't we all use a little more politeness in our lives. Here are the podcasts and episodes chosen by James. Monday's Monday's episode comes from. Were you raised by wolves and is called clinking glasses making eye contact on the subway tipping tow truck drivers and more. It's thirty four minutes long. Here are the episode contents. According to the podcast it's show notes. They'll cover the ammos Bush toasting etiquette a question of etiquette New York City etiquette including walking umbrellas. Subways Delis and taxis questions from the Wilderness should give guests tours of your home. Should you tip your tow truck driver. I have a friend trying to lose weight. Wait and I gave him a shirt. That's the size of his goal. Was this okay vent or repent arriving at an exercise class late tune. In for more from this podcast Tuesday's episode comes from Awesome Etiquette and is called. Thank you oops. It's forty four minutes long on today's show Dannon lizzy take your questions on escalating. Bad behavior can the mother of the groom where black addressing adults formerly and mistakes. Thank you notes. Plus your most excellent feedback etiquette salute and a postscript segment on having perspective in the world of etiquette. Wednesday's episode comes from Sh manners and is called beer sales. It's forty eight minutes long. Here's the description option. Hello Internet this week is all about beer and specifically ails. We'll take you through the history and the different types Thursday's episode comes from from mind over manners and is called gift etiquette. It's ten minutes long. Picking the perfect gift can be challenging but receiving one can sometimes be even harder. What what do you say when you get a gift that you just don't like Kim? Wadsworth joins the conversation to answer all of our gift giving and receiving questions. Friday's episode is from mm-hmm in proper etiquette and is called torquing on a corpse. It's fifty nine minutes long. Here's the description we're back today. We have the whole gang in studio to discuss discuss the hard work that goes into running a trade show and Laura catches us up on all the behind the scenes work. She's been doing for this year's E. N.. Vs Fest Leah and TIFF share their horrible Experiences working as stylists we discussed men. Who Do there eyebrows? Ninety Fiance Pets Getting Older Jessica. Simpson Shoes Irish. Dick Chamber and the importance of law and order. Svu those are the podcast recommendations chosen by James for this week's theme how to not be the worst you can find these episodes and listen. Listen to them as a playlist on Pod chaser just go to pod chaser DOT COM and type in how to not be the worst into the search bar and the playlist will be right there for your enjoyment. Join the discussion of this week's theme by using the Hashtag manners manners next. Let's discuss what's going on in the podcasts world. Here are some headlines finds from this week in the industry brought to us by the inside podcasting newsletter as Thursday January thirtieth twenty twenty first story. I want to end by saying that. This so is one of the more difficult and on my part least successful interviews. I've ever done. That's Alec Baldwin. In a postscript to his podcast interview with Jodi Kantor and Megan twohey investigative eight of journalists who broke the Weinstein story in the New York Times during the interview the reporters turned the tables on their host pressing him on why he appeared unbothered by multiple accusations of sexual who'll harassment against his friend. Hollywood screenwriter James. toback Balden went on to say that as a result of the conversation he will invite Glenn Whip The Los Angeles Times reporter who broke the tailback story to be a guest on his show next. I'm very excited to report this story. If you've been listening to feedback with ear buds for awhile you know that we love love pod chaser. Here goes pod chaser which is creating an IMDB like database for podcasters and fans has announced one point six five million dollars in seed funding from investors including High Alpha capital and Hyde Park venture partners in a blog. 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10-6-20 - Mo Egger With Justin Williams

Mo Egger

19:03 min | 10 months ago

10-6-20 - Mo Egger With Justin Williams

"Tena No is not the same thing say out at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of country for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them. So they can concentrate on their therapies just having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there for Anson someone would be there to take care of us. It took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse Dot Org? Look fit radio show is tonight at eight o five on seven hundred WWL W. Our buddy just Williams covers UC sports for the athletic. Really. kind of thinking about it. This show today is sort of been brought to you by the athletic He covers football and basketball. He's on twenty on twitter at Williams underscored. Just there's a lot that I want I want to ask you about how you doing. I'm doing. All right. I am well, do you think if Ben Bryant's available on Saturday he plays at all in that game against South Florida. Yeah I think probably you know especially to those. Ritter Interceptions, or in the first half, they didn't score go fourteen nothing until like the final minute of the second quarter. I don't know when exactly what I've seen him but I'm guessing we probably would have but obviously it wasn't an option which depending on where you're looking at it as it's interesting either way I guess, yeah. No, it is. You you and I went back and forth extensively on Dez on air on the athletic? I went into this season with reservations that this team could get to where a lot of people were talking about going in large part. I certainly respect what what this kid is meant to the program the success that he's had I know he's a really really good dude but there was a lot of all season chatter about him improving his passer and I just haven't seen it I. Know You're access to the team was certainly limited this summer compared to a normal offseason but are you surprised that Dez is leaving throws out there on the field and making some of the throws he's making compared to what you heard about him this offseason. I'm surprised. We haven't seen a step forward from last year and you know if you're going off of Saturday's game against Florida honestly that that was a step back. That's probably the worst healthy gets you know. When healthy probably the worst game does has played and yeah, you know we talked a bunch this off season and then you're GonNa ask me what do you think and based on everything I heard and I I know you talked about this earlier in the show I was one of those people saying well, everything we're hearing is that he's he's tweaked as mechanics. A little bit and he's throwing better in practice and it's definitely true that they went into the two offseason camp a competition between him and Ben Bryant and as one comprehensively on totally easily and and then to see him come out you know definitely that army game where he missed some throws down the field, which is something he struggled with but then come. Back, in the USF gaming, instead of kind of putting those fears to Tibet a little bit he actually you know combine that with some some decision, some some turnovers which are things even when he has played poorly that he hasn't always done I it's definitely concerning for as you've talked about a as as everyone following team talked about what has a chance to? Be a really good bearcats team this season, and it's kind of one big question mark one piece of that that might hold them back to give. You can to the extent that you can't talk about Bryant's role in this and certainly again, not available this past Saturday, who knows what his status is going to be for the game a week from Saturday against Tulsa but. Last year we saw luke fickle did not budge until injury forced his hand very, very loyal to Dez. There were times last year where it might have made a lot of sense to to change quarterbacks either at halftime or somewhere during a game and luke did not do that he has been few of in his praise in his support of Desmond Ritter which I think for a lot of people begs. The question, we saw Ben Bryant playing a game last year against Memphis and he looks like a guy at times in his first college game. He also looked at times like a guy who is capable of making throws that we don't often see from from Desmond Ridder's so when he's not in games when he's in practice, what is what does he not doing that causes the reluctance to use him in in Games I'm surprised I was surprised last season especially, when does was pretty clearly banged up that they didn't go to to Ben Ryan a little bit sooner. You know whether it was in USF game or temple the next week. I think putting them in against Memphis put them in kind of a tough spot and you're right there I think the second quarter if I remember correctly, he looked great and then the third quarter of that Memphis game is only had a couple of turnovers and he looked like know Richard Freshman in his first start. I think the issue so far this season is. You know he has not throwing the ball as well in practice really as the last year or as well as as does have to be honest and one of the things that has always done. Well, Saturday excluded take care of the football and and for a loop physical team, which prides itself on defense special teams and controlling the clock. That's really important and look also one of those guys where you kind of have to earn. Your spot, and so I think there's some hesitancy on on his part in probably the the staff to put in a player who maybe hasn't proven it in practice at least for the season and and risk you know it's tough to go back to dozen or the thing that's interesting though you know people talk about yes. Fickle has been very loyal to to Desmond Ritter and I think he has done the reasons for that. Ritter was not a luke fickle recruit. He wasn't a Phil Stafford. Then Bryant was you know Mike Mike Denver Broc, you know get duly they help bring Ben Brian in he. He's been part of the kind of the fickle recruiting group that you would think if they were going to be favoring anyone, it would be him and that hasn't been the case and think it's because in terms of off field stuff and tangible stuff I think they just have a little bit more comfort with this and they are a little bit concerned that once you go to. Bryant you kind of have to stick with it you can't go back but you know if things continue the way they played last week you start to wonder how much they can hold off brands available before they turn to them. Yeah. I there's there's quality of opposition. There's also for me I mentioned this before sort of an Andy Dalton vibe the whole thing where for for a long time we've been wondering, okay. Can this can can this guy take take things to the next level? It's not a great comparison, a professional quarterback to a college guy but. For, years with Andy. We would say, okay well, you know what? When, and if he can take his throwing to the next level and then you get to a point where you start to assume it's not going to happen with with Dez, I think that's where a lot of people are going and that's not a place you WanNa be when you look at the opponents they have coming up. You know I think is a good analogy to Andy Dalton. As what do we always talk about the Bengals was you have to put the right pieces around him. You know he's not necessarily a quarterback that's GonNa make receivers better. That's GONNA throw players open. But if you give them the right pieces, it can work. Well, that was kind of part of the narrative belt UC's offense. Last season was the receivers aren't getting opener creating the separation. You know the past blocking was that they need to better off into tackles well, Dave they fixed that they have to really good offensive tackles they brought in basic completely revamped wide receiver room and those guys at least the. First. Few Games have been been getting open with regularity the just the completion haven't been there. Now I I wrote about this I think it's GonNa. Be On the tomorrow they are missing Alec Pearson and that's a big piece i. think there are certain things he does that matches up well with maybe Ritter's weaknesses that that I think can help them if he comes back. But in in terms of pieces around and and some of the you know whether you WanNa call them excuses or just reasons for why they restored with last year those are basically gone and again if you're judging what we've seen so far this year does seem to have taken another step back so The question then becomes what's the what's the solution and I think that's what the team is going to deal with over these next couple of weeks I don't think for all the reasons we talked about. It's as simple as just send Brian's the answer, but I also don't think the answer is you keep leaning on your defense and your special teams and a running game to pull out wins especially as the competition is going to get tough Justin Williams covers UC sports for the athletic you can read his work the athletic. Dot Com is the place to go. You you included in your game story from USF a quote from Luke fickle that I think raised a lot of eyebrows. When asked about Desmond Ritter he said quote we have to do a better job as staff to try to find some ways to give them opportunities. I'm not as worried about Dez as I am about making sure we can get a better plan to continue to keep his confidence in what he's doing. He references the staff and he references he uses the word plan. That is not exactly a ringing endorsement for the offense of coaches and and perhaps justifiably. So what did you make of of what fickle said when asked that question about does? He know he didn't say the words play calling which I think would have really. Triggered alarm bells. That's that's one of the. GO-TO. But you're basically what he was saying that the game plan, the playcalling hasn't been good enough or you know whatever execution going into in the game hasn't been goodness. Part of that I think comes from and this is a good thing. Look pickles never going to get on a post game press conference or amid week press conference and throw a player under the bus. That's just not who he is and again I think that's a positive I. do think you know he mentioned the turnovers concerning but he wasn't concerned with what does overall play I didn't go too far where you are too hesitant to to criticize a player. You don't have to to to just totally drill him and throw under the bus, but he's been very reluctant to. Do that with anyone and you know sure there are probably some things they can do better from a game plan standpoint. But again, some of these throws he's making there's players wide open some of the deep ball missed. The play clearly works because you know the receivers there to make to make the catch the ball just isn't in the right spot. So there's definitely things they could do whether with personnel or with play calls that maybe lend better to to Ritter skillset or some of the strengths and weaknesses. We saw USF did a good job of if they're just completely unable to deep teams are going to stack the box. They're gonNA blitz you know they're going to try and. Force them into throwing deep and take away all the underneath stuff. So at some point you have to at least do that to keep defensive honest and I think any changes you make to the offensive game plan or play calling it still doesn't away that weaknesses that other teams are seen on tape. I. Think There's some truth what he said, but you know I think there was also him trying to cover up for player which is good but. It doesn't answer all the questions. No, it doesn't, and and again he's been he's loyal to his guys. He's he's been loyal to does I I just? I think it's going to be interesting if I assume that Ben is going to be available a week from Saturday they have backed back road games. Tulsa just goes on the road and beat UCF and then obviously. SMU has vaulted into the top twenty five after knocking off Memphis and then after that the Memphis game. It's it's. Hard for me to imagine, we could see the same level of of of passing from Desmond Ritter without basically forcing nichols hand and necessitating a change at quarterback. I. Just I I think we've I think we've gotten there and it's going to be. It's going to be interesting to hear what a of people have to say if they lose a game where the offense isn't what we hope it is and Ben Bryant doesn't get a chance to play in that game. Yes I think you're right and you know they they mainly avoided that in those to Memphis Games last year know the offense played good enough that they obviously came short and both of them. But yeah, if you're if it's a situation like the US F. Game or the temple game last year, if they lose one of those types of games and people are GONNA to be upset and you know they have a right to this season with with the expectations both inside and outside of the team i Justin Williamson athletic let me switch gears on you when and how and under what circumstances is the basketball season going to begin. We know it will begin November twenty fifth and that is about it and to be completely honest. Some people within the program? That's that's about all they know at this point and that's just the way things are in college. We. Kinda. saw this with college football especially when you get into these conferences that canceled and then in about three days decided to start back up. There's very little. You know forward planning long-term planning. So we know in the season's GonNa Start, we know that the the Americans GonNa Play Twenty Conference Games, and that has led to some of this confusion over scheduling basically, the teams can't start making decisions until they know when those twenty commerce games are going to be some of them are GonNa be in December then you have to figure out what your multi team event is going. To be for you see, this will be the preseason it that was supposed to be in Brooklyn now is going to be on Orlando, you gotTa figure that out for you can schedule your handful of other non conference games, and so until you know initial domino's start to fall, you really can't make any decisions because you don't have open dates or have any ideas. So you're kind of just sitting around waiting to get some information. How in jeopardy as the crosstown shootout of not being played. It? I don't know I'd be surprised that it's it's always like one of those situations you know like a lockout sports where you kind of figure. All right when when they really need to make the decision, it'll happen everyone's while they are. There is actually a lockout and games are missed I. kind of think that they'll figure something out whether that. Planet you see playing Xavier playing at a neutral site you know the biggest thing right now is just looking forward. You see doesn't want to play a game in an empty or having mostly empty arena and then go back to Cintas center next year and is probably looking whatever their scheduled plan was originally and saying we want to give up a plan home game for next year. So I think they'll probably be some posturing from having and hauling on both sides and one decision has to be made. They'll they'll hammered out and figured out and it'll probably make as much sense as possible for both. Are we when we get that or where it is. Are we going to get like a Chris Mack John Calipari think which I want in the worst way but I wanted to end with the game being played and so like to meet that. That's that's the sort of appears like that's a good possibility with Kentucky and Louisville and I, kind of feel like Mac and cal probably got together to to do this together and they're sort of high fiving each other behind the scenes or I guess fist bumping each other or maybe just texting each other. Are we going to get something similar which travis deal and John. Brennan because I wanted I want I would love it. Yeah. I would love it and now I To be played, got to play the play the game you cannot have the Cross town show I'm sorry I know how people are going to do with this. They're going to line up behind their program and I'm UC fan through and through the Games got to be playing, suck it up and play the game somehow someway somewhere. I think the game will be played I. Think the chances of some type of public beef whether real or I want to say between those two is is not going to happen and you know as much as I would love it to imagine if this was still macking and mcrib, it would be it would be phenomenal I said that too I said that to a friend of mine last week as we were watching calver says Mac I go. Like if Xavier and look I I understand UC's position here understands Xavier's position I really do just as I understand Calipari and Mac I really get it again I I sort of feel like Mac and cal have gotten together to create this which as dues to the rivalry gets people talking about it and it's fantastic. I'm here for it. But if we had mick involved and like me, Mick would complain it was sunny out and you said mic it's hey, it's sunny out. It's actually not that. Just complain about stuff. Give me that would be maybe we could just pipe mic into weigh in on what should happen with UCS Xavier this year. That's true. You know I'm I'm sure he's he's enjoying some some nice weather out west. Maybe he's in a good way we can get him to lay in. So you think the game's going to be played. If I had to pick right now I would say Yes, I lean towards the game being played and the only thing I would be more confident about is that we don't get like a public spat between between brandon and steal because if they don't play the game like either way, that's just a day on twitter I'm not going to be there like I've already vowed to not be on twitter on election night I'm not being on twitter, win an ounce, the status of the crosstown shootout whenever it's going to be played in especially if it's not gonNa be played. That's the story of twenty twenty though right there's probably been more days not to be twitter them. They're having to be until you're exactly right about that I appreciate the insight and you let me get worked up as always. Thank you so much. Definitely. Thanks. Justin Williams covers the UC sports for the just play the game I mean legitimately. I, I like the the level. UK thing I, you know Chris Max Hesitancy to have Kentucky come to the center. No. One's going to be there handful of people are gonNA be there cuts into our home court advantage. We have to go back to rob UC's in a very similar situation it's less than than desirable if you're since if you're if you're. If you live in the United States, you've had to deal with one thing being canceled after the other and one thing not happening that you look forward to other. There is a way to to manage this to the satisfaction of everybody were at least the basketball game is played. Come to that conclusion come to that conclusion. To not have the game at all would be to me complete abandonment of leadership on both schools play the damn game. I couldn't get opening day this year. We've had limited. You know things that you could actually look forward to that actually happened. We're going to have a college basketball season. Play the damn game. And it's not it's not being unwilling to understand the positions of either side. I really do your UC you're going to play Xavier near building maybe it's going to be there maybe it's going to be half full. Then they got to go back and play Xavier at the CINTAS center and chances hopefully by then you know the ten thousand plus for allowed back in, and that's that's not great and I understand Xavier's position is what play the game and most people don't care. They don't care about your posturing play the damn game. Nineteen away from five o'clock update on a couple of things including an increase of attendance bengals games, and what I've. Long said about AJ Green I really hope to start to see Sunday we'll do that next ESPN fifteen, thirty San Antonio not the same thing I, say, not at the Fisher. The Fisher. 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