20 Episode results for "Ben Rothlisberger"

QUICK HIT | Big Ben deserves more credit

The Stinkin' Truth with Mark Schlereth

01:29 min | 2 months ago

QUICK HIT | Big Ben deserves more credit

"It's a stinking truth podcast creek hit. Just having been rothlisburger as a couple of games anyhow maybe three games anyhow I mean he is. I don't know that ben gets the credit that Ben deserves because you know ben is sometimes you know worried about, I don't know you know getting credit for playing hurt or. Like he has a little bit of that like let me put on a size eighteen shoe and show you the my ankles or you know he I always think about I. Mean when clown? Buddha? Right. Yeah. It really looks like you click flop click flop click get bad my ankle is I had to put on US twenty two you know. So, there is that aspect but I will say this better odds Burger is tougher nails man he'd take some shots. He gets hit. He is exceptionally good throwing the ball down the football field I just I. I'm a big Ben Rothlisberger, Big Ben I'm a big Ben not big, Ben but Big Ben Rothlisberger Fan I think he's a really outstanding quarterback. Now you know they've got to develop another weapon. They've gotTA. Have you know from a receiving standpoint? They've gotTa have you guys guys step up and played better? You know they've Lost Antonio Brown who's a big threat obviously him in his trials of last year and a half. But I do think that the steelers are a much better team in in our playoff contender with rothlisberger there.

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Steelers Preview: How the Steelers' 2020 offseason game plan is changing

Behind the Steel Curtain

53:53 min | 8 months ago

Steelers Preview: How the Steelers' 2020 offseason game plan is changing

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of the steelers preview. I am Jeff Harmon editor of behind the steel curtain dot com and with me. Just one person right now. That's Mr David Goofy. Deputy editor David Deputy Dave. Deputy that kind of sounds? I like that deputy Dave. What's also deputy dog got an? I'm doing good. Hey have you been have you turn tuned into NFL network to watch one second of the combat? Yeah neither now I've been getting kids to bed. I've been trying to prepare for the show. I have not I had I did see university online. Sukkur dot com the the open thread. is has a lot of comments. That's great. I'm glad that people were tuning into both the combine and behind the curtain dot com to talk about it amongst the community members. That's really cool and we'll do it open threat for every day of the combine said tomorrow night Saturday night. Check it out behind. The Steel Curtain Dot. Com should be your one stop shop for all your Pittsburgh Suzanne. You might be wondering what? O'brien Anthony Davis is he tubing something he might he? He's opposed to join US late We'll see when he gets here but we are going to press on. The schedule is not GonNa Change. We will have an after party. We will still do our steelers preview today. We're going to preview the wide receiver position. We're going to do that last week. Because of the free agent talk got a little out of hand. We pushed it back to this week. So we're going to start off with though we're not going to start off with the wide receivers. We want to start off with the steelers offseason plan and I think that if you ask most steeler fans heading into this offseason. What's the plan and they would give you the well. There's not a lot of cap room you know. What are you GONNA do? But depre- who knows about Ben Rothlisberger? I think you would say the majority of fans would say that right. Dave yeah okay. The plans changing the changing. It's evolving in front of our very eyes for a lot of reasons that we WANNA talk about. First Being Ben Rothlisberger Elise from the peanut gallery and peanut gallery meeting the fan base seeing whether privy to which is one pass of football. It looks like he's back. Kevin Colbert at the combine. Says that he thinks that he's going to be back in eighty better than ever. That might be some smoke being blown but still that's what he said And so that changes things to end. How in your opinion? How does that change? The steelers aussies plans drastically. Because I still don't think that the steelers were going to be in the market. Some people wanted them to get a more reliable backup quarterback. I'm like they're spending too much money on that position. Already with Ben Rothlisberger. They've got to roll with what they have. And you just hope hope that it's banned and if not then it's another year of what we had but I still want to keep his defense intact because I don't think it's going to change too much what they're doing as much as it is. Excitement of how far they can go with what they have if you know what I mean. Does that make sense from a defense standpoint? I agree from an office standpoint. I think it changes a lot because let's be honest. If you're looking at the draft in in Ben Rothlisberger has not been cleared even throw yet or he's only able to throw a tennis ball. Light tennis ball like barely. Just getting that motion down. The steelers might have some might be hesitant in terms of who they draft in how they draft in my opinion. Mrs My opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own. I can say you mean offensively. Yeah because I think right now you gotta be jacked up. They gotTA think we. We need some playmakers now. Well let's just say this. I think whether Ben was healthy or ben wasn't ofensive line was going to be an important there. You know 'cause somebody else you need a better off. It's of line even if you want to. You know it's they need to recycle. Need to get more guys coming in and doing their thing with offensive line. I think where it makes. The biggest difference is tied Enin Receiver. And how you want to address that. I think it's GonNa make a difference. I mean he's technically still counting on the salary cap. Everything Vance McDonalds a big question because they have to decide here in the next couple of weeks. Are they going to exercise their club option for him for this year? I think Ben Rothlisberger. I don't know which way they're going to go with it. But that definitely comes into play with what they're thinking than what they're going to do in the draft at that position. I mean to me with young wide receivers. They have if they're if it looked like they didn't know if they were going to have been. I almost think it would have been a waste to go wide receiver in the draft but now with band. You're like well if we can. If the right weapons there at the right spot then pull the trigger on it and you know get them everything you can't yeah exactly. And so does not. Also forget advancement. Donald is really good friends of Ben Rothlisberger. They're very tight. There's to Bible study. They hang out there wiser friends. We say it all the time. Ben Controls a lot about the roster when we saw the West Virginia basketball game with Ryan Switzer. What did I say Ryan Switzer? Am next year? Just because that's I guess that's the way it goes but I think offensive line is obviously going to be paramount. No matter what but now with Dan looking like he could be back. The steelers are saying all the right things not that we would ever expect them to not say the right things like you said tight end wide receiver. Had they address? That do they trust themselves to get a an offensive lineman like a bj. Finney like mad. Filer like a Kelvin Beecham. Someone that they think has a ton of upside in the back end of the draft. I'm not so sure because those guys although they drafted a lot of them and I didn't name all of them that they've had play for them. Even a guy like Chris Hubbard or one hundred Illinois. Ueva there's been some that haven't panned out to. Let's not forget that and in let's also not forget that nothing is a guarantee in the draft and regardless of whether it's first and third or seventh unit look at Gaddum's Ground Traffic. That didn't pan out so we all can sit here and wax poetic about what position they should or shouldn't draft or specific prospects in and things like that and and that's the hot button. Take right now because the the scouting combines going on and everyone just falls in love with these numbers whether it's a bench press number forty are dash number Everyone is is enamored with it. And there's a reason why the NFL put it in prime time but at the same time. There's so much more to it. But we'll talk about the combine in a second. There's another factor that could change this dealers aussies plans and it's actually a very large factor in. There's a lot of facets to this and a lot of mainstream media are not focusing on all of that and that would be the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL in the NFL pa. Which in case you haven't been paying attention has now gone to vote by the players. All they need is majority vote. That's it just a majority vote. It's gone through all the facets every the player reps all that stuff just a majority now players don't have to vote. They should exercise their right to vote but they don't have to so the lawyers everything I heard on the radio today was the NFL lawyers and the NFL. Pa LAWYERS ARE GONNA fast track this over the weekend. Get it out to the players. Hopefully by the end of the weekend so that next week we should know one way or the other. But this can impact a lot. Dave and explain that a little bit. Yeah what is it impacts a lot right now. Is that today's started the the period for what is it. It's a two week period. I'm pretty sure Of designated the franchise or transition tags on players. Now I didn't hear any. I wasn't looking at other teams but I haven't heard anything of teams using the tag yet. Remember just rumors. Yeah there's nothing official Jesus are GONNA use it but nothing official. Yeah and the reason that teams especially teams like the steelers are GonNa wait is if they can they're still operating under the final year the CBA the lawyers met to see if they could change anything before. This started because the players are voting. But I think if they got a field that it was definitely going to get past they might have done some stuff but they're still kind of up in the air. It's not as as cut and dry. It could be so right now. Teams can use both franchise and transition tag. That's one thing. The other thing is kind of like the boat that the steelers are in right now pretty much because of the thirty percent rule with restructuring contracts or any new contracts teams only option to save cap. Money is to release now. You look like steelers. If they wanted to use a franchise tag on either buddy pre or hargrave that. They don't have the room to do it so they would have to cut players but if there's a new CBA and they could say. Oh we can maybe restructure something then they might not have to release someone that they are not sure what they want to do this so it a lot of that comes comes into play and how they have to figure stuff out so getting a new. Cba what allow the steelers franchise to conduct business as usual much more than what they have to do right now. Right in the dentist in the life. That no one's fretting over the AIDS business as usual. Yes it is but in terms of making these key decisions which can have a ripple effect on your roster. It does matter. It does matter well. I shouldn't you know. Sometimes I try to stay off the comments on social media whether it be facebook or twitter whatnot but I would just say things that aren't really informed for like all the steelers they just push money down the road and restructure a few contracts. You can't do it this year. You can't do it. The only person you could really restructure to get any kind of money is Ben Rothlisberger and I was. I did the math and and confirmed it with a couple of other sources. I got a number three point. Two million out Ben's thirty three and a half million the only thing they can push around to save this year of that would be three point. Two million that's really all that's available in restructures right now under the under the current deal came. Hey we're going into the last year his deal it would be great to get him another deal especially one. That's most of the time when guy signed a new deal. The first year is very low on the cat because most of its signing bonus. He's he's t needs new deal. They can't get rid of Camp Cam. Yeah but they but right now. They're so handcuffed with this thirty percent. Roll getting him deal now. Isn't going to help anything. So that's the thing there's just there's a lot of business. The steelers usually do stuff that they can't do and Dennis responded to my kinds of what matters? Jeff is that we ain't got no money. No not right now. But they could. Could they could bring up money. Yeah because a buddy and the steelers have done that for years right. Now they're handcuffs. We'll see we'll see what happens with the collective bargaining agreement and I don't WanNa get well we might as well. I think it was snowman earlier in the latch. Yes he said the players saving complaining about the CPA. Let's rephrase that can I? Can I go hold on? Let me rephrase with not all players the the players that are the upper echelon have been complaining. You're talking about your top couple of percents right. Your vast majority of players in the National Football League. I guarantee you are not complaining. They're seeing this as seventeen games. Another game check a bump up from the veteran minimum. That's more money. They're seeing better benefits. They like it everything they will even even goes down to in again unless you've read some of these documents which we've posted on behind his so curtain dot com it even goes down to the NFL's including tuition reimbursement. If you want to go back to school and get your degree. They're going to pay for classes. That's not being discussed. But that's part of this collective bargaining agreement and no one's talking about it all they're hearing or JJ Watt Russell Wilson. Richard Sherman Marquees. Pouncey of all people just spouting off endlessly about hated. James Harrison's chiming in James Harrison. You're retired. Why do you care help you James Harrison the entire stuff for for retired players? All right go okay. First of all. I'm going to try to stay calm. If any of you out there really WanNa know there are two members of the Pittsburgh steelers. You need to be paying attention to and what they say. And those members are Ramon Foster and Cam Hayward Ramon foster is the player Rep for the Steelers Cam. Hayward is the alternate player ramp. So some people like. Oh what happens? If the steelers cut foster it's came hayward okay both of these guys and I have an article coming out tomorrow. Thank you told me to schedule it. For eight forty five. Am about it's very interesting. They didn't say how the steelers voted. But if you WANNA look at how both of those players have reacted to other things because obviously i. I'm I'm sure they communicated with what they needed to do you. Could you could draw the conclusion that it's pretty obvious that they voted for this proposal. And for example the thing that's frustrating about all these players and some of the media people and even some of the Pittsburgh media people one in particular keep saying stuff on twitter about about this awful terrible. I'm like please explain what's terrible about it. You can sit back and say it's awful. Tell me why. And that's what's happened with. All these players to their saint like pouncey all heard was F. bombs and s bombs and everything else but still nothing about why it's so terrible especially not respecting the negotiating process. And that's the biggest thing that fosters about respect the process that we've gone through the only person that really offered anything as to. Why was Aaron Rodgers? Who said that? He felt that that there wasn't a enough reduction of offseason voluntary workouts. And you know who stepped up? He didn't address him directly but made tweets about it was cam hayward he's like yeah. Why your people complaining about about having too many ball and Terry workouts? If it's bad for body guess what it's voluntary don't do it. Yeah you know. Don't complain. About how many voluntary workouts there are when they're voluntary. I mean if he took the voluntary off I'd understand. They went back where they fought with the owners. I don't know how far out should say where they met with the owners this week earlier this week on Tuesday. They took out the cap of the number that they had for how much players would be paid for seventeenth game once they implemented. They were working on a contract that was signed before this. Cba They took it out so now everyone no matter how much you make. They add a seventeenth game. You get a seventeenth paycheck based on what your salary is so if you look at both sides the owners want three things from what I understand. Now there's probably a lot more into this but the NFL PA is releasing this other stuff and of course the NFL is going to release all the stuff that makes them look. Good if you WANNA go back at an article this afternoon. Fifty six bullet points of what the players are getting fifty-six this players this is former players. Everything all these things in for the players the main three things that the that the that the owners want is they want the seventeenth game. They want an extra team in the playoffs from each conference. And they want the deal this year. Those are the three things they want and they want it this year because they want to Redo their TV deals even though they're not up yet and but people don't understand is why they want to Redo the TV deals now or not going to get a big discussion about this but right now the economy is good. But there's an election in November and they want it done now with the TV stuff. The locket their deals with them that's why they WANNA now. Those are the three things they want. The players are getting fifty six other things in return. If you take away one of those three take away a third of what? You're getting for the players if if the players don't want to do it this year they're to they're going to get a deal. It's nowhere close to this next year. Nowhere close to this next year to start off. They don't want the seventeenth game. You're basically taken what the owners want and it's not I don't even think the owners want to sound game the TV companies want the seventeenth game and the owners. Want work out the best deal with that. I'm a season ticket holder. One seventeenth game. I don't but I understand that. That's where the money comes from and I know I'm sitting here ranting injustice waiting to say something but you're you catch up with the live chat and let me know how bad people are are. Busting me on this so but not too bad. But so that's what's really going on and I mean they've been working on this deal for ten months and the personally I think I couldn't believe the owners were given the players this much and there are some people that really on the fifty percent fifty percent to up to up that revenue as much as they are it's almost like a steppingstone to where they're going to get to fifty percent. Probably the next deal after this one show. That's the issue but the reason I think this deal's going to pass is is almost sixty percent of the League. Plays playing on either a rookie contract or League or League minimum contract and those are both being raised by twenty percent next year not even adding a seventeenth game. Just imagine just imagine if you worked. Jeff is a teacher. Just imagine that they went out and they got a twenty percent raise for the teachers but people were against it because the principles are screaming who are already making a bunch more money than the teachers that it's not good enough for them. That's kind of what's going on here because it's the guys that are. That are making the big money. They're not going to see a big step in in in in their not seeing big step in salary but all these other guys that that really go out and don't have much time in in the league. They're the ones that are going out. And they're going to benefit from this and and unless the vocal majority or sorry. The vocal minority is drowning them out. It's an convincing them. Otherwise I'm afraid that like Markey's pouncey says this is a bad deal for everybody else coming out here. You got to trust us this. He's talking to guys are going to be on his path. How many guys are in the NFL? And they don't see a second contract. Hello this is David Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one day podcasts about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian. Comedy Writer Director Willis to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin in the head and physically write down. Everything has not my style turns out. Comedians take jokes pretty seriously. I like all joes okay. That's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you learn from this? What was your takeaway? I nothing guy and I'm not I'm not a should mark curse good one from vulture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. Do not use the PUCK. This effort a letter. Great Question Just David Fox a lot. The majority of them more guys don't see a second contract than what do so. Don't say that you need to listen to me. 'cause you need to walk out for what's going to happen when you get to my shoes because most of them are never going to get there so why not. Look out for those guys for the time here. Well look the one thing too is that this has been negotiated for ten months. This is not new. And if Markey's Pouncey so adamant about his hatred for it for it. Did he speak up to Ramon Foster? Did he talk to Kim Hayward and really voice his displeasure with what was going on? Or is this all breaking news? Because it seems like for a lot of players. This isn't new now. The one thing and honestly I'm not siding with either because I just want football just like probably not only nine percent of people in the live chat right now may just one football because honestly this is a business for us behind the steel curtain dot com is a business. It's our business is poss- cat podcast. Platform is our business. And if we don't have football is not the off-season lockout is a lockout and I've been through one of those already in. It sucks you can't talk about anything because there's nothing ahead at least in the foreseeable future but there's a lot of things that are minute show in this deal. That aren't talked about that. I Love I love the fact that they're going to expand rosters that they're gonNa have a third person that can come into reserve that the practice was going to gain two more players. These are all really good things that a lot of us have said for years that they should be doing. Oh my gosh expand the game day roster. Yes do it. And they're doing it so yes. Seventeen Games will be weird. I'm sure they said the same thing when they went to sixteen would it? Would it be nice to have well for one? It wouldn't have mattered for Fred Johnson. Would it be nice if the steelers still had Patrick Morse right now? They moved up when Pouncey was suspended and then lost him to waivers to the broncos. Guess what now a player can be moved up from the practice squad to the to the active roster two times and not be exposed waivers. Yeah I mean there's a lot of good things but I don't know how much you know that. She's better for the game but I don't know how much they're people here. Only with the mainstream media says what are they saying? Seventeen games seventeen game recap and all that stuff and three games. That's all they're here but with that. We Bring Anthony Davis. Who's back from the East lobes? He's running back. Uh maybe how's a gallon there? Brian how are you I do and great fellas doing awesome? Thanks for waiting on me and Your patients but I'm here and I'm sure that the lots of Nice things were said about being my absence. So good we said you were shredding the mountain after Shredding Announ actually tubing but guys. This is after party stuff but I don't go on skis. Ski Instructor looked at me. And Said for God's sakes man just get down so we've all been there pointer lies I think so. Let's go into the car. Wraps up our headline which was the steelers. Off-season plan is changing and is going to change. But it's not just the steelers really any team the steelers specifically because of Ben Rothlisberger coming back because of the confidence in him coming back. It's GonNa Change and things so stay tuned Ben Rothlisberger. Still some stuff going on he stores. I think he's he's probably back in Pittsburgh by now. He had a couple of other sessions out in California. The news coming back spurred he's not going to be clear until probably around. Ota'S WE'RE TALKING May June. Then he'll be good to go by the end of July Island airport training camp so exciting stuff for the steelers exciting stuff. Let's get into. I just can't address one thing that was brought in the live chat. I'm going to bring it up here. Yeah that it said that all fifty three or if they get fifty five players should be active on Sundays Games. I'm adamant against that. And that is because they have that in there for competitive balance one because a team who has a lot of injuries versus a team that has no injuries the team or no injuries automatically just has more personnel. Now once you get more than seven injuries that you're dealing with that sorry that you're just GonNa have to do that but I think that's bad for the players because let's say you have a rookie contract or you know who was an undrafted free agent or six pick or something like that but trying to stick around. That isn't one hundred percent you. If you're going to address all these guys then he's going to dress and maybe go out there and hurt his career but he's a guy that you know you're not a hundred percent. We got arrests seven. We gotta sit seven guys anyway. So we're going to give you this this week off. That's better for that player so it makes it more balanced competitively. Brian disagrees on this one. If I if I recall the his thinking on it I might be off there. But that's something that I feel now if they want to change the number I understand but that's the whole reason it's in there so one team who's dealing with with injuries and and it keeps them from having to put guys on. I R that they wouldn't have to otherwise because they could just have them enact on their inactive list for a few weeks you know Dave the only thing that that I would like to see them doing that. I get what you're saying. I'm not really GonNa pooh-poohed that at all I mean I don't think what you're saying is off base. The only thing that I wanna see them do is just say. Look you have an extra slot? You have fifty. You have an extra slot for third quarterback and just everybody because they used to do the emergency quarterback. I remember that. But you know it. Just look. We're not gonNA penalize you. Everybody has if you WanNa take advantage of that extra spot and put a quarterback in there. You're allowed to knock penalized because I mean really we? We saw a couple of guys go down in the same game and wasn't the rule with that back in the day that quarterback if he came in before the fourth quarter he had to be the only quarterback that played the other two. Couldn't come back in. I remember that. Yeah yeah there were exact roles. I can't even remember the time period. I know is late nineties. Maybe what you really? You can't go with just two quarterbacks on Game Day roster it's just I mean it's disastrous like the NHL's emergency goalie driver and now which has been in place forever and if you follow hockey you seen situation the first time it happened It's rare but it's part of the game and I know I listened to some sports talk radio this week and they said that in the NFL they should have emergency kickers that if kicker goes down they have someone that maybe as soccer experience. Maybe a d. one kicker but never got drafted or isn't in the xfl name. You know they can go out and kick your team. I don't know I think it's our easy. It's crazy wasn't Jean. Claude van Damme. That made the an amazing say that game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Who would famous playing in that Brian? As Dave you know and that navy. He's actually a recreation of an action of final. Yeah because it was. I thought it was the Los Angeles kings kings because it was shoot lives at the Minor League hockey team that I grew up watching. The wheeling thunderbirds actually played the opposite team of the Penguins in the movie sudden death. They did. They had to wear their jerseys. It was Because it was it was filmed in Pittsburgh the blackhawks or the sides tonight ninety two. His paintings Blackhawks Cup. Final and Jean Claude. Van Damme comes in and saves the day. I know it's not the after party but if I could say something real quick about an emergency goalie back in the in the late. Eighties nineties the Johnstown chiefs had to bring in their trainer to be the emergency goalie and that emergency goalie was a A Johnston who played for Westmont high school a Johnstown Kid. The got to come in and got the win. His name's Dana Hines. And the reason you know that an the equipment manager his his mom and Dad were a teacher of mine just a wonderful family and I remember him coming in and like hometown boy gets to play a minor league hockey game. As the emergency goal Lakers. They were just out of people and the coach at the time was one of the Hanson. Brothers Steve Carl. Very quick to give people a taste of the the after party. I'd like to do this because our after party. Numbers are not the same the equivalent of the preview. Since give you guys. Is there any better John Club ending? Maybe the blood sport I don't think so. Plus was the best time Lionheart Lionheart. I thought Alad. Oh it's a lot like what sport well I I like to. What was the one where he was the Cajun Guy and they were in the Mardi Gras warehouse hard target? I liked that one now. We're we're getting after party stuff. Because I'm about to say all right you're jean-clude clam dam or call them that include or Steven seagal sisal Stevens ago. Good Lord Okay. All right. Let's get this party. Yes that's just a taste of the after parties and actually check us out after this. Now let's get to our wide receivers. This is something we typically do in the off season here on the preview preview one position. And we're GONNA go to the wide receivers today and we're going to break down the players that are on the roster in we'RE GONNA. Kinda GIVE A GENERAL SYNOPSIS. Of what might happen. This off season. Who might stay whom I go? Who might step up? Who might take a step backwards? So Dave. Do you have the depth chart there. You said you were going to get the depth chart. I said I was pulling up to the. I think I got it my brain though. Because we've got we've got juju Smith Schuster we've got. We've got my favorite player of all time data. Johnson we've got we've got James Washington. Yep We've got Dion Cain we've got Ryan Switzer Bingo. We've we've got Johnny Houghton. Oh He's the best. Yes and we've got let's Dharma how was it? Arvo Armagh Dr Darbeau mixed up our data USA. Dharma and Greg or something. We are already have department. You're leaving out estes that one. Oh is the futures guys are Jamal custom and Quadri Henderson. Anthony Johnson that must have been assigned. That wasn't one of the original signings but that sounds familiar. So I'm going to say you probably correct. All Right said to expedite the process a little bit. Are we assuming that any of the players that we can't pronounce their names or on reserves contracts are not GonNa make the twenty twenty roster? You mean are you talking about the dash guys. Well Yeah. Is there anyone that you see on that list that you're like yeah? I could see maybe making the team in some way shape or form. Anyone Quadri Henderson as a return man. I don't know that's the only thing of I liked. I mean but I kind of like the Anti Johnson back there for now but like you say the second pro and that as she gets as he gets to be a better receiver. You won't WANNA put him back there. And when it came the kickoffs white around I thought he did find and has the speed burst for the kickoffs. So I don't know about someone committing just as returner the answer. Can I think canes go so yeah Kane should well no? He's not a futures guy I know he's I would even say Dasha people know Kane in Pittsburgh now. So let's get into the Brian. Was anyone that you is out of the guys. That are a little more irrelevant. Yeah I'm thinking more Adobo. What attracts you better model. What is it Marla Amara? Dark Blood Amara. He was on the active roster at the end of last year. He just was never active. So sorry who was on the actress using the fifty three man roster he would just never active on Game Day there. Okay all right. So let's get to the top top six and say because they typically keep six wide receivers. Dave you do that yes. All right ziggys unlock deontay. Johnson's Lachin's Washington is the Loch Nan. Nothing after that in my opinion is certain Johnny Houghton is a lock. Oh Gosh I don't know I know. I mean they've the Jones for these they loved the HP they love Darius Haywar Bay. They loved this little. Johnny Holton they want that specific guy to be an emergency wide receiver in your governor and your your special teams guy. They love him so I think he's a look. Okay Day Diego. The only way that changes because honestly he does not give you anything to receiver a mean and they put him out there on the field on a play that they knew they were running. And I'm like it didn't even. That's what made you a hundred percent. It was going to seventy two eligible johnny holding with the only receiver. Come on. They're going to. They're going to run the ball. So Oh let's try to throw them off. We'll go see James Washes out there. And then we'll throw it well Duh. Of course you're going to throw it when you put someone else out there you gotta put him out there all the time anyway. Let's get away from that. The only way that happens is if you have another player that is a great gunner because they have another one now. They have another one because he beat out already burned lane match. Justin Lane if you get another gunner that let's say just comes out of nowhere and training camp then you don't have to use wide receiver for that. So I would. I wouldn't say he's a lock but I would say until someone else emerges as a gun or at not a wide receiver. Then keep it okay. Citizen that's four. There's chief spots left. The question now is who claims the last two spots but before we get to that is do they address wide receiver in the draft. Brian will start with you. I think they do. It's probably a fourth round draft pick. It's something like that. The they'll probably look at that but not early. They're they've too much stuff to do early. You have an edge rusher no matter what happens with with Bud Dupree. You have a Lineman you have to get and you. You're probably looking at getting a tight end. Regardless of what happens as well. They want to get a running back. They might even get a running back relatively early So you know. I think it's down the line but maybe possibly afford at the earliest but maybe a sixth or seventh. The probably address it but I. I don't think it's going to be a big prospect. Dave what are your thoughts on? It all comes down to Ben Rothlisberger and how bad he wants Ryan Switzer because if Ben Rothlisberger once Switzer. I think they're going to keep Dion Kane and therefore their best bet would be not draft the wide receiver until fifth or later and then hope that they can have them on the practice squad for a year because some people are still thinking that prolific guy in the second round. And he's he falls. Do you take them. Then you're GonNa then you're going to be making Ben Mad. They have kept seven wide receivers of it. You know in the past that they have but that's kind of pushing it. You WanNa know my theory. Here's what I think's going to happen. They're going to take a wide receiver in the second round. If not the second the third they're looking for one of the dynamic. This is a deep wide receiver class. Summer saying this is one of the best wide receiver classes in the last decade in terms of depth in quality of player. They won another playmaker because they think they will just really help round the offense especially Vince healthy. So then you're saying okay. Who'S GONNA go? I think the Dion Cain if he can prove that he's a gunner. We'll make Johnny Houghton expendable. They can get rid of it. I could see Justin Lane like you. Said is the proven goner. I could see Dionne Kane saying look. I'll do whatever it takes to make this team. It means rundown on special teams tackle. I'll do it. And if he's I think he's just as fast probably and he no he offers more as a receiver. Then you can cut Johnny Holden and you can live with it so I could live with that option in. Bryant's which is probably going to be. Yeah I mean Ben wants what he gets. He gets what he wants here. I am in there you go. I mean there comes to a point where it's like. Yeah I know he's your guy but you know we're thinking about more than that more than what you want their pal. I think the the quarterback should have some say in the. He's throwing the football too but he shouldn't have the ultimate say you know he shouldn't he then again we also don't know if he does have the ultimate say well it it should be because he's it should be because he's a good player and can help the steelers. Not because he's a guy that you like to go hang out of basketball games with you know what I'm saying you can tether Dave Scofield and Brian Anthony Davis together and we would have more yards after catch than Ryan. Switzer will be Yak machines. Usually Yak machine did together so he comes down to sit players. I think that's the assumption is that they're gonNA keep six and in a position to watch throughout the offseason especially throughout free agency and the draft. There's nothing to say that they won't go and look for a veteran wide receiver although I think Dante Moncrieff might have soured them on that Brian would know more than anyone. I think you're starting to work on your wide receiver article in terms of. Who's out there if there's anyone that's attracted might fit their price range which is basically nothing. Brian's ready for tomorrow actually. It will be debut in tomorrow. It's in the queue so it's coming so you know the top five that you're looking at number one. I mean not a chance. It's a Amari Cooper. Of course you guys in the top five the one guy that I thought would have been a great option and he signed with the Lions back with the Lions on. Monday was Danny Amendola. Would've actually been a really good option for what he's done last year and what he's done in the last few years but he went back to. Detroit. That was the guy that I was really looking at the other ones you're looking at are like Robbie Anderson led a character issues. They're in the top five. I mean there's there's more guys down the road a little bit that that haven't had that aren't big names but you probably bring a cheap option like that in I league. What Ali says in the live chat he said if Dante Moncrieff can make a roster after this year David Brian Ken. I agree with that. And then I also agree with Sean Manahan. He says Dave your kicker now teen not sure not sure if we want that but hey if days did a game in their in a pinch I mean he's already wearing Cam Hayward's Jersey to say. Hey give him camps helmet. Just throw else no. No one will now are extra points. Yeah good good well. The extended extra point. That's means you need to do this again. Soapy hit the thirty five yarder. It wasn't on film. I don't know I kind of lost track. I mean I don't know I it. Everytime years ago he he hid it. He hid it on just jogging. Let's get isn't trivia time for me to put on my dunce cap and look like an idiot compared to Brian days. So David the Oracle as Lance Williams are. Sorry Sir Lancelot calls you. Why don't you go ahead and give gifts which got okay? Well I've got some interesting stuff. I was looking at wide receiver. Stuff of course seen here and just thought I'd look at stuff. I Know Jeff. Let's talk about you. Know maybe some that were where they were drafted or anything else. I decided I was going to look at catch percentage new meaning. Now this has been this only like if you're using a pro football reference. This has only been a statistic. They use since nineteen ninety-two. Because it's basically receptions divided by targets off. The player was targeted Audi receptions they had off of but so I went in and I said okay. Well let's look at how the steelers have done since one thousand nine hundred and who has a new as the best and I said well. You can't just do it. Cause some guys who could be it would be Zach. Gentry who caught one pass yards or target in his his stats. By the way I looked at that you're I went with. I went with fifty. If they've had fifty catches what fifty targets and I said who has the highest catch percentage since did tiny to for the steelers and it was fifty targets? Moore? And I'll be honest with you. Drop way down to ten targets and it was still the same player they have an eight. Don't look it up Ryan the K. Eighty percent steelers as as a wide receiver though it could be a wide receiver or tight end. I did both of them. I didn't do running backs. Running backs didn't count that I'm GonNa go with Heath Miller. Good percentage he. When I think he's Miller I don't think of him dropping a lot of passes. Well you also have to remember because this also includes what if the quarterback is the ball away and throwing it at your feet. You know what I'm saying to where you couldn't really catch it or anything. Miami's reminding I get I get it all right. Brian which I guess we were Charles Johnson. Are you ready? Because it is with an eighty percent catch rates. Eighty percent forty four receptions on fifty five targets from pretty shirts. Two hundred and eighty five yards are around there and one career touchdown your best catching wide receiver in steelers. History is one Ryan Switzer. Oh my gosh. Here's a question I'm not done. All right what's crazy is what you're doing. Get fifty targets or more he has. He has the highest catch percentage but he has the second lowest yards per target. The only person is lower yards per target was would be Mark Bruener. Nice all right. So he's only targeted for five point zero nine. He only has five point nine yards per target. So that was kind of that. But you guys WanNa know out of fifty out of fifty targets or more who has the lowest pat catch percentage since? You didn't get fifty targets linus weed. Did he ever did even get fifty targets because he was for three seasons Jamie Coats. There's your answer. It's because same coach. And so they know. Highest is catch percentage of the steelers. He said he said Switzer's has one touchdown. Right one touchdown score against I remember. It was a it was they. Were on the one. Was it the one or two yard line. And it was a little out and he was barely in the end zone because throw the ball down the field. I'm Brian Genet this. The three twitter Switzer's only touchdowns against I was GONNA say the Jacksonville Jaguars I was GONNA say. The Cincinnati Bengals was it. I've not he was knocked. Knocked around and interfered with against Jacksonville. That's what I was thinking of Gosh I don't remember Ryan Kelvin's got it Tampa. Is the Monday night game? I was that that Monday night game. Yeah Okay was animal game and it was where he caught a going out of bounds. N- is actually a good good. Play out Brian. Anthony Davis his son is alive. Jad Welcome Connor. Thank you for peace in. Hello Dad other Ohi bad. He's the I was looking at the the youtube comments the other day because Jeff always don't like youtube comments so it was after my show so I looked and the first thing I see is like that Brian guys. My Dad and I looked at least my son's case who you listen to show you know BRIANCON. My mom has been in the live chat. Lances mom has been in the live chat Dave Day as a show with his brother. It's a fail and his sons in the live chat. My other nephew sometimes is in the live chat. Had My daughter on the show as true. It's a family affair. All right we're segman ever for my trivia I just looked up some stats as well and I was just stunned by some of the names Career Statistics and I looked at receiving yards per game. I think most of you will be at a guest who leads that category for the Pittsburgh steelers right probably should be per game. I would say receiving yards per game. Yes rather be Antonio Brown at eighty six point two in that was from two thousand ten to two thousand eighteen hundred and thirty games. The questions unit. Who second game is an reception receiving yards per game? This is an old time player. Played in sixty six games. Mario Lemieux from one thousand nine hundred fifty nine to nineteen sixty three. He averaged seventy one point six receiving yards per game. Ob Nickel no buddy. Dial you got it buddy. Dial seventy one point six receiving yards. Sixty six games this crazy. No No. You're fine. He the biggest thing was I was surprised with issues. Third in receiving yards per game. Sixty eight point nine yards per game only played in forty two games in his player on the ultrasound. Juju has got to be there because of the long correct Juju Smith Easter with sixty eight point nine. Now here's another interesting stat and this and the last one for me. I looked at receptions per game clearly Antonio Brown would be I at six point four. There's a tie for second is too. They're both modern era players. Now this Sandra Steve Tytler -ception well. This would be well. I don't want to give it away. But they they might be another position. Okay so it could be like a running back receptions per game. I'm GonNa say that that Mr Naked Rob might be up there with comedy Seventies. He is one of the two the S era at five receptions per game five and the other one bright already got one. I was GonNa let you. We know it's five because they're tied for second. I mean heath comes to mind but I'm sure it's not that I know. He had too many games early reception. Mike Wallace Jiji's misuse juju. Kaz Eugene Levy on Bell tied at five receptions per game on average. I just was stunned. That lady on bell had five per game average. I mean we didn't play as long as Antonio Brown but still but but look at the number of games where he had like ten receptions because they were just constantly just flaring it out to which is basically like a run play. Because they're throwing by scrimmage get old but the dial seventy one point six yards per game and then my next guest was Gary Bauman because those are the three old guys that I could think of. Ray Mathews Gary Baldwin all right. That's it for me bad. Go ahead all right so I hope there's not any holes in this question but who was the last single season receiving leader wide receiver to not be drafted by the Pittsburgh. Steelers okay so you said he's the last person wide receiver we're just in general wide receiver wide receiver for the steelers wasn't recipe to lead the team in receiving yards receptions and he was not drafted steelers. I Know Khatri led the team in touchdown. Lead in in receiving yards. Back is Was He i? Don't think the anti pig pen not unless they were. The San Diego chargers tape ends. It is great guy favorite player job. Jeff thank you I just did. I kept on thinking about all the time. I mean the steelers draft wide receivers. Well they always have. And that's a good question is a good one great middle name by the way but is it. Unc Dirk Big Ben dirt how to get against the dirt. Burke I throw it. What board to you guys shares? Nineteen ninety-two. There's only one. This is wide receivers and like I said I didn't. I didn't include running backs one player on the steelers that has an a a two-thirds catch percentage meeting sixty six point seven percent and nine yards per target. Can you say that again? But he has he has at least nine yards per target and cat has catched a catch caught at least two thirds of his of his targets. I don't know Brian and he says in Nineteen ninety-two since Nineteen ninety-two. Only one steeler has that. They've caught more than sixty six point. Seven percent of their targets and as at least nine yards per target. So they need to catch the ball. Well and get a lot of Argu- Rosie Nix. Now I would probably think Let's just go with Mark Bruener that we're going with jude you G. I can't believe all these of cause. Yeah he's I mean he's really got. He's got nine one nine yards per per target not per reception target. But that goes up when you catch a lot more of your targets. 'cause you got someone like Mike Wallace's over ten. He had he crazy but the problem was his catch. Percentage was under sixty so but but he would like. He's the answer any anytime. You're doing sealers Trivia. And you want to know about like yards per catch or yard for. It's going to be Mike Wallace. That's gotta be because he you know. How many times did he have? Oh a one hundred thirty six yards on three completions touchdowns you know what I mean. That's the kind of quick ten more. Juju facts come on W J J you Ju Ju all right all right. 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Steelers Burning Question: Is Pittsburgh's Super Bowl window closing?

Behind the Steel Curtain

15:43 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Burning Question: Is Pittsburgh's Super Bowl window closing?

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans going on. This is Jeff Harmon editor of behind the steel curtain dot com here for another episode. The second episode of the Steelers podcast the Steelers burning question in these podcast. It's where I take one question, which is typically being discussed amongst the Steelers faithful could be recently could be over in the offseason. Whatever the case may be and I talk about whether or not I feel that this is actually true false or maybe just answer the question in general Francis last week and our debut episode. I said what should the Steelers do with Antonio Brown? If you want to check that out you can find that on our YouTube channel as well as on all our podcast platforms. But today a little bit different topic. Today's question the burning question is is this Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl window closing? Say that will more time in the pits is the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl window closing. Now before I go any further answering this question in my own opinion. I think it's important that we try to figure out exactly what you would define as a Super Bowl window before we could say whether it's closing or not. This may sound ridiculous. But if you think about it the AFC playoffs NFC playoffs are certainly ongoing right now. Would you think that before the season? Indianapolis Colts fans would say that there. Superbowl window is wide open. I'd probably say no because Andrew luck hadn't played coming off that shoulder injury where he hadn't even thrown a football. They had a head coach in Frank Reich. He was really the the secondary option after Josh mcdaniels backed out of the deal ah defense. It was completely left for dead. Essentially, no, one really gave them any respect a lot of rookies. Lonely offense line. In other words, not to go through their entire depth chart. I think the most people would say that they never had a Super Bowl win the open heading into the season. I can Pittsburgh Steelers history. And I say there's teams the eighties and of the early nineties thinking teams, you know, that I grew up watching teams were quarterback by Neil O'Donnell who made it to Super Bowl quarterbacks by Kordell Stewart, he made it to several AFC championships. Heck even Tommy Maddox when he was the quarterback. Would you consider those times those quarterbacks those teams to have Super Bowl windows that were open over they closed. That's the question. We have to answer enough for me. Just the we're all on the same page were on a level playing field for me. I say that a Super Bowl window is officially open when you are a viable contender to win the Lombardi trophy period the window would be closed if it would take a modern miracle for you to win a Lombardi trophy. For instance, things would have to go on your way t- players would have to extreme. Really? Would plan to play well above what they're expected to do to actually go out and win championships. That's my definition you might differ. But I just wanna make sure the world on the same page before going further talking about this Steelers team in whether they're Super Bowl window is closing or whether it's going to remain open for my first statement. I have to start an end it with number seven Ben Rothlisberger. If the Steelers. Extend Ben Rothlisberger contract as they reported Guli going to do as Lance Williams by host who does the said that he's going to be a little teaser for his upcoming show. He's an say that maybe the Steelers shouldn't do that. But if they do that and Ben Rothlisberger continues to play high level football. I think as long as that's going on the Steelers window is at least a little open. It might not be gaping. But it's a little open not shut entirely. How did they Antonio Brown way into this? We'll certainly if Antonio Brown's on the team. It's going to help there. It's going to help their cause it's going to make a case for them to be Super Bowl contenders. Every time they take the field. Even if they are extremely underachieving as they weren't two thousand eighteen so there's a lot of other questions, though, Ben Rothlisberger key is we don't know anything about when we know little bit about Joshua Dobbs. Mason Rudolph third round draft pick. I mean, people think that he could be the future. But we don't know that we've only seen him in the preseason. He was very rough around the edges as expected had never been taken snaps under center since high school. I digress. I look around they lie. I look around the positions on the Steelers current roster ostensibly defend the offense of line yet. It's getting a little older little long in the two. They got some backups ready to go though. I mean, you look at BJ Finney chew Chor four Gerald Hawkins. He can get healthy. You've got mad filer me. They're going to need to probably spend some draft picks on some lime in in the in the near future. But ultimately, I actually don't mind their depth losing a coach like by lunch would hurt. But at the same time they've proven that they can restock the well so to speak running back very young yet. Jalen Samuels change, Connor. That's the future of the position for lease the next three to four years. So that's pretty good wide receiver. I know I touched talked about Antonio Brown. James washington. Don't know what he's going to turn into yet juju Smith Schuster is. Now, a proven commodity they're going to have to draft some receivers tied in Vance McDonald. He's he seems to be as advertised unlike his first year in Pittsburgh, which was very injury prone. Then you know, you're going to have some question marks and any team every year. But I think the Steelers row K on offense even in the future. Then you go to defense the defensive line style with Cameron Heyward Steph onto Jalen Hargrave all on. Under the they're pretty much. I mean Cam Hayward's probably he's the oldest of the three, but he's not old by any stretch of the imagination linebackers or young. They're going to have to fill some holes at inside linebacker, obviously safeties or young cornerback Joe Haden, obviously already burns not. So sure what I'm trying to say here is that. Although some people want to say, well, you know, what the windows closing it all really hinges on on Ben Rothlisberger. Because even though Ben Rothlisberger had a very good statistical season this year his one statistic that heard him where sections. So if you're like me, you might watch this and say, well, yeah, I mean he threw for five thousand yards by the league and touchdown or a you know, let has had a new team record for touchdown passes. But at the same time he also had ridiculous interception numbers. So if I'm if I'm a just looking at it strictly from a fan for. Perspective. I asked myself could Mason Rudolph with a few years unrest belt go in and do not as much statistically. But the same. I had to think. Yes. He is a proven throw or the football. And let's be honest brought this a ton of Texas year. So even if a younger quarterback whether Dobbs at Rudolf were to go in and be a little careless with the football. Or makes mistakes is nothing. This team isn't already accustomed to. Now, I hope that Rothberg can bounce back. Next season have a good statistical season, including not throwing as many interceptions. But at the same time. I asked myself these numbers that he's putting up are not really necessary to success the five thousand yards did not even get them to the playoffs. Let alone a deep run into the postseason. They need to run the ball more. That's been established. We've talked about that on every single podcast. We have here ad nauseam that they need to be more balanced. They shouldn't be so past heavy into of Antonio Brown left. The trade. Maybe Ben Rothlisberger. Retires. Well, here's your proven commodity on offense, then the running backs, and you do have juju juju out there as a wide out. But at the same time James Connor is going to be your cash cow, and they're gonna use him as such they're going to run him might be a good thing for this team. Here's my point. I think the Steelers have done a tremendous job and it hasn't gotten a ton of publicity of restocking, the well as they go when you think about the positions where are the most concerning quarterback is one of them. It's of line is the other you will defense. I think really with quarterback. We just don't know the depth with cornerback. I mean already burns not painting out. Let's assume he doesn't pan out. I do that the safe bet at this point if he doesn't pay now, that's a huge nece in the draft is the number one draft pick, and it's going to set the position back other than that. I mean inside linebackers Shazia got. Hurt is is a clear need. We're talking only a few positions here. So let's bring this full circle. Let's come all the way back to the start the Steelers Super Bowl window closing. It may be closing a little bit. But I don't think it's shot at in any way, shape or form in Steeler fans are pissed off right now. I get it. I get it. You're angry you're angry because the team that you thought was fully capable of winning a Super Bowl in two thousand eighteen didn't even make the postseason you're angry because they were seven two and one at one point after ten games, and they didn't even make the postseason finishing with a nine six record. You have every right to be upset. But at the same time, let's not forget some of the basics of looking at future of a football team. And it's looking at the depth looking out of the team is drafted. And I think that this Steelers team while they might not be the, you know, everyone's looking at Vegas odds. They're looking at who people consider to be the AFC top dog and the preseason and is being talked about in the media. They might not be that team without a guy like Ben Rothlisberger or Antonio Brown. That that does not mean they cannot go out. They can't win football games. And they can't make the playoffs and make a run we've seen it before. I mentioned those quarterbacks in Steelers history that have done it. There's more than I named. But although Ben Rothlisberger is tremendous talent. And is a franchise quarterback and the best quarterback in Steelers history, in my opinion. But at the same time, I think the Steelers are slowly preparing themselves for life after Rob's burger. That's a good thing. So for me, it might be closing a little bit. But it's not shot. And I don't see it being shut for a few years, folks. This team's going to remain competitive. They've shown that under Mike Tomlin. They're going to do that. They might not always be in you know, a Super Bowl contender. But to me the Super Bowl window is could you win a Super Bowl? And I think the Steelers could win the Super Bowl there might be some laws when Rothlisberger retires. But I think they'll bounce back quickly. And I think that's one of the benefits of being a Steelers fan is at this team is organization. From art Rooney the second to Kevin Colbert to Mike Tomlin all the way down to the players. They do a really good job of constantly keeping the talent moving through the organization. No more. Do we see as Bill cower years where it was just really really dead? I mean think about in two thousand and three that was the year that the the cower I want to say that the vinyl records six and ten and that led to their pick of Ben Rothlisberger. If they don't have those years very much anymore because it's just it's more of a level playing field. They're doing a great job of restocking, the well, so keep that in the back of your mind to I don't think it's close it might be closing a little bit. But that doesn't mean that it's shut completely sust dealer fans are really angry right now. And a lot of times that can lead you to look at things at a very negative light. Sometimes you can't always do that you have to look at it for more of a realistic standpoint. And I see that as for the Steelers to prove that they can continue to win even without some of these key names. But the hope is that these teams are going to be. I'm back that includes Antonio Brown because you have been aby juju James Connor and that offense when they're healthy. And now, you think about in the future, you could have more. You're more salary cap space with a fourteen point five million dollars at lady on Dell left behind you're going to have an increase in the salary cabin general. They might actually get a gun gets defensive players in free agency. And then they get a couple of draft picks. I personally feel this team's only a few players away. You might laugh at me and say that I'm a Homer. And that's fine. It's not the first time in called that. But ultimately, I feel like this team is few players away from being a civil champion. Will they get it done? Well, two thousand eighteen proved a lot, but at the same time that doesn't mean on paper they aren't capable of getting it done. So what do you do at this point? You're watching live on YouTube. Go into the YouTube comments want this art at wanted his posted, and I finished and let us know. What do you think you think the Super Bowl windows closing or do you think that it's? Still open. If you're watching or listening on audio form or maybe you're listening or watching on the article behind the steel curtain dot com. Make sure you also check out the the comment section below the article, and let us know what you think is it still open is it slam. Shut. Does it all depend on number seven? Does it? Depend on my Tomlin. Let us know what she think so little community. We have who wanna make sure your voice your opinion. And lastly, make sure you're checking us out on all of our podcast platforms here on YouTube search BTS's Steelers radio subscribe like we appreciate all the support their on behind the curtain dot com. You'll be able to find all the articles of the length. But if you don't just go to our audio platforms aren't nineteen Google play. I tune Stitcher. Spotify were everywhere if you search Steelers you'll find us it makes you do that. Because that's where you're gonna find Lance Williams. The I said that will be back on a you'll find the Steelers hangover show. Will be there and then obvious on Ichi walls. Have my show will have the Steelers preview in the standard is a standard. So five audio platforms by gosh. There's a lot of stuff lot of content and make sure you check out behind the steel curtain dot com for all your Pittsburgh Steelers knees is the Steelers window for the Super Bowl closing. That's the Steelers burning question this week. I say not closed yet. It might not be closed for a long time. Let us know what you think thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. Hi, I'm curious Fisher. I'm going to tell you about another podcast. You should check out. It's called Rico decode every week. I talked to Tekken media's key players about how they're changing our world. 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Hour 1: Kaepernick & NFL Settle

First Take

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 1: Kaepernick & NFL Settle

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I'm will Cain fill in for Molly. Karen alongside the guys. Max kellerman. Stephen what's up fellas or some give a good time in Charlotte. Oh that the double fist. I need you. Tell us all about it. All right, something like that the NBA showcase weekend culminate with team. Lebron coming back from over twenty point deficit to beat TIMMY, honest, one seventy eight to one sixty four Kevin Durant comb the all star in VP honors for the second time in his career with all the events of the weekend, including news like Anthony Davis and his intentions, and of course, the pelicans front office. Here's the question will start with Stephen was this a good weekend. All and all for the NBA. I think so I think so first of all they were in the news all the time. Because obviously, they Anthony Davis stuff broke, you know, Adele Dem's obviously lost his job on. Fortunately. So that started in the all star weekend. I think the skills competition was very interesting with Jason Tatum hitting the wind game winner from half court. I think the slam dunk competition was very interesting. The tennis tennis, Mr. many damn dots. And I think they need to modify those rules to such as agree with you. Don't get that many opportunities to miss I loved the three point shooting contest. That's my favorite Joab. Showed up. It would have been nice to see Seth curry against Steph curry, considering the fact that they were in Charlotte when Steph curry hit non straight that was something special whole make no mistake about it. So I enjoyed the three point shooting contest. And unlike football, I understand this. It's an exhibition. So just like you're not going to see football play defense played for the whole pro game. You're not gonna see defense plate, you know, yesterday an NBA all star game. What basketball's a different sport than football. So the individual roads like, for example, you might sit up there and see Steph curry give their bounce pass alleyoop to Janas. And but to see this brother sky in the air like that this something of a whole LeBron James kitchen alley. Oops. That's something special Steph curry drilling threes or or Damian Lillard going off hitting about six threes or Kevin Durant getting hot. These are the kind of things that even if you're in apart- playing in shooting by yourself. You're right. It takes the skill of be able to do I can assure you that there are bundles to people who can't hit. Jump shot to save their damn life. Even if they're by themselves. I would know because we're James harden. A you know, I lost a bed, and I had to sit up there and shooting in front of James harden who wouldn't allow me to to warm up I shot like one full fourteen for crying out loud. Okay. Garesh shoes on and the whole bit all by myself. Nobody in my face. But there have been a long time since I shot those three point shots and all by my lonesome can hit the shower. Father time at your how about that. How about that? All I'm saying is that these are the kind of things that transpire. This a skill that comes along with playing a game of basketball. They even when it's an exhibition, you can still you can still appreciate it significantly more than you can do in football. So overall, it did not bother me. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Steph for Seth would have been fun. Yes. Way. Like all in the family like Neth for chef that if Tang fan that reference, I'll say this the answer is no it wasn't a good weekend for the NBA. And I don't mean that in a vacuum. Okay. Compared to nothing. It was good. But I don't think we have to compare it to nothing. I think we can compare it to what it might be look what let's start with what what he really watching here. Like, what are the two glamour events like the Olympics? It's one hundred meter dash, right? And whatever else is your second. Favor. Like those are the glamour that it's the game itself and the slam dunk contest. Those are the two big things. Let's start with the slam dunk contest. When it is best. Let's take a scale, right? Like when is it at its best when two great young players or both great at dunking the ball. And they square off. Nj verse Dominique best ever two of the hugest. Biggest star ever in one of the most exciting players ever to future hall of famers, Dr J one minute that year. Right. Not the old guys. I'm careful LeBron's in it. But to next year, let me know when zion's with nj versus Dominic. That's as good as it gets next level down. Vince Carter puts on a show. Also, maybe a future hall of Famer who's amazing at dunking. And it's not like MJ verse Dominy put still you got Vince Carter next level down guy like Zach LeVine puts on some of the greatest dunks you've ever seen. And he's a good player is a known player, and he's crazy athletic, and it's like oh my God. That's good. That's like a steady pleasing as anything I've ever seen. And finally, they're always going to be. Good dunks. It's a dunk contest in the NBA the best in the world finally someone without a name, the right who is not as act Levin level dunker who's not going against someone like that's the lowest level of the competition. I hate to say it because they're amazing. And he did great and congratulations. But it's the least interesting way, the dunk contest could turn out. Now. Let's talk about the game itself. The all star game. Look, what's the worst all star game in sports? Clearly, I'm by far the Pro Bowl, the nature of football is such that you're just not gonna get a good Dame game ever from an all star game. There's too much risk involved. It's like watching an exhibition for a fight. No. You can't kill yourself in an all star game. Okay. What's the best all star game? It's major league baseball nowadays. And remember when they raised the stakes for the for the all star game people like me were like, oh, you gotta be kidding for an exhibition. But I gotta tell you it worked. It matters more. The game is better. There's higher drama. The NBA all star game has a chance to be a really good all-star game. And it's not. It's boring. The game itself is boring. They have a chance to make this better. Well, listen, I don't I'm not sure they when you talk about baseball. And let's think about it from this perspective baseball decided, hey, you know, what whoever wins. You know, you lead your Yuli gets home field advantage a World Series, Tom. That's a lot. That's a lot because cats that ACL be any part of the World Series. You know might be influencing who gets to home turf. I mean, that's that's a total worth. That's a tough hated it. What they were gonna give it up. You know, what some people tell people say that they worked for the all the for for major league baseball all-star game. But it didn't work world every time because people that did it deserve home field advantage ended up getting it. So that's problematic in and of itself. And you gotta ask yourself. What's worked with the whether or not it's worth it? In terms of the NBA all star game. I think for me to one modification I would make slam dunk contest. You do not get that opportunity to miss as many dunks as a Denison junior did years ago as Nate Robinson miss when he beat. And laundry Egwu dollar and the slam dunk contest. I felt that it was too many MRs van der deserved an I love me some Nate Robinson. But I felt that in terms of the NBA all star game. I will say this you you could come up with a greater incentive for them to place. You gotta figure out what what the incentive should be. But also, remember, you know, you do have to worry about those injuries to and. Yeah, it's fast. Max, I don't think agree with your rankings? I don't think baseball's number one of the pecking order among the all star games. I actually think the NBA is. And it's for the reason Stephen laid out, it's essentially a skills competition all the way up through the end of the weekend. All the way through Sunday. You saw the runs in the game last night it essentially a three point shooting contest. Right. That's what the NBA all star game is who can go on runs of hitting three. So I still think that's entertaining. But let me just spend this for found really entertaining. Well, but. It was put into context compared to other all star games, which is the standard you laid for us. But let me spend four to one thing you think there were winners outside of the NBA. If I told you how LeBron James his recruiting efforts or the Los Angeles Lakers were there or Anthony Davis may was there a winner this weekend beyond just the game of basketball. I would say that the perception is going to be that the Boston Celtics or someone like that. Because Anthony Davis came out and said, hey, I haven't ruled anyone off the list. I think that is a faulty perception, I don't think that's reality. I got it. I've just once again, I'm going to go back to what I said, I don't need to regurgitate the same comments. It's more of a skill competition than anything else. And I think that considering that I don't think the expectations for NBA all star Sunday is what you're trying to make it out to be in terms of the expectation. You recognize the fact that it's an exhibition, but in the sport of basketball more so than anything else, you want to expert max where you go to a park if you went to a park to watch somebody you going there. To watch. And it's always not a rocker league game either. It's not I'm not saying it is I'm not saying this. I'm saying if you look like a rocker that'd be different. I'm saying the exhibition portion of it is more tolerable in basketball than it is for the sports. Right. That's what I'm gonna give away. Three concern is real. And if someone followed my advice, eventually some all star would have a really bad injury. And everyone's saying this is stupid. However. In the meantime, the fact is on any given player and you giving game risk of career. Altering injury is pretty low in basketball. In fact, just crunch the numbers. It seems like it should be higher than it is. But guys don't usually get hurt in the course of again, Stephen while you, and I might agree. It was a good week and fame they what I'll be fascinated with going forward. Was it a good weekend for LeBron in? It's nice to have a helping hand especially when it's tax season. And that hand is attached to a license tax professional with turbo tax love. 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He did it quietly. The media noticed made a big deal out of it. Donald Trump noticed turned it into a political, pardon the expression football and off we were to the races right now. That's so to speak. Now, it became this enormous issue. But capper Nick was not protesting that the league needs to open it books and show like, you know, and get into all its dirty secrets and everything. He was that wasn't what this was about originally. This was about ultimately when it became an issue capper, Nick raising awareness for issues of social injustice, really, particularly the way police interact with communities of color was awareness, raised obviously we're resources raised in directed in that and directed there. The answer. Is. Yes, they were. Now, ultimately if capture Nick gets a job in the league and meals during the anthem the optics will be clear to everyone that capper Nick one. If he doesn't get a job in the league where he does and stands for the anthem. There will be those who say no the league one. And I understand where people would say if he doesn't get a job the league has made its point you can stand up and do what you think you can do. But the bottom line is you're going to be made an example of maybe guys curt flood never got paid, really. But you know, what the bottom line is. The ceremony is now truly optional. It is not mandatory. And there are those with opted out of it. So he has not only raised awareness. He's changed the way the league does business and even if he doesn't benefit directly which apparently has because he spent simply got paid for this. He has made a difference in precisely the way he intended in the first place. So you have to look hard. But big picture is he won. Well, he might have one of the big picture max Kellerman. I don't know that yet. I don't see that. And to answer the question directly. I'm gonna tell you right now. I don't think he looks very good. And I don't think the people who have supported and tried to Marta him. Look, very, very good. Let me be very clear about that. Having said all of that as a black man his willingness to bring attention to issues that have plagued community, I'm incredibly grateful to him for that. Which is why I have supported him. I also believe that he has been blackballed. I don't care what anybody says, I definitely think that there is credence to that argument. But I'm gonna tell you exactly why I don't think he looks good. I don't know whether it was the Washington Post or where it was that. I read this article maximum will. But there was a statement in there. There's a line in there. And it said whether it was wise opposed to do I forget where it was. It says Justice and liberty dies in the dark. Well, here's where the problem lies. What did you win Colin cabinet? I wanna know the money. I want to know what the details of. The settlement are that's what I want to know. You don't sit up there and get to get martyred by everybody and their grandmother all of these over the last two years with everybody making a case about how he's being blackballed. He's being ostracized and all of this other stuff. You don't get to sit up there and send out tweets thanking Riyana and other stars who refuse to perform at half, Tom for the Super Bowl in protests and support of you because their belief was that you have been blackballed, and there's a nation of folks, particularly from the minority community that have been standing up screaming and hollering about how you have been ostracized. How you have been mistreated. And then all of a sudden, you quietly reach a settlement that we don't know what the hell it entails. That's my problem with all of this. It says here as part of that confidentiality agreement. It is believed both sides now disclosure agreement agreeing not to speak publicly about the details of the case. Or the settlement? So we don't know what the owners of sacrifice. We don't know what concessions have been reached. We don't know whether you're the sole individual that benefits the causes that you wanted to bring attention to that you were insisted that the NFL and society as a whole dresses. We don't know whether or not NFL owners the league the play is associated on anybody else. Exactly what they're going to do in order to address your concerns. And all I'm saying is that for me personally for me personally again. I don't want the decision to be in the dark, whatever it is. I don't care what it, but a couple of days people, I think that because of what this morphed into people have a right to know something other than a we're not going to disclose any details whatsoever. I understand that impulse. But why should you or anyone else defined for capper? Nick what his goals were. Let's start from the beginning. He conscientiously objected to participating in. An anthem ceremony. Guess what? Once upon a time. If you did that apparently look at capper, Nick he got drummed out of the league. Now, that's no longer the case. So even if he doesn't play again others who who feel that they have a conscientious objection to participation don't have to participate if they don't want to that's number one number two the collusion case. No one else is being colluded against as a result of this. He was not how we know that we don't know he players who've been all even the lease does part, but he's got a job. But he was still part of the green shoot. He's accused them of colluding. This is a settlement. There's no guilt Highland has been acknowledged when part of the NFL, sure. But it's captured look why does capture Nick play football for the love of the game. If anyone has the love of the game. Why if they're not in the league or they're not playing for fun tackle football in the park on Sundays because it's not for the love of the game. That may be a component of it you're playing because you make your your profession you make a living. It's a dangerous violent profession. And even if you love it. It's not. Like, although out and do it for free. So the point is he like, of course, it's his business. He just extensively ca- got compensated. Okay. And he is the only one was point who doesn't have a job who deserves it in the league. As a result of this issue on a coup-, his choice, and I wanna come and ask answer your question directly. You're saying that all right. It's his choices choice. I get that argument max. But what I'm trying to say is it was a 'cause you you addressed a 'cause you wanted things addressed the settlement is going to tell me what you said. Or for the settlement is going to tell me whether or not it was about you. Or it was about the call that you purported. It was about man details of it is going to give me fodder. It's going to give me formation to know. Exactly. What does it differ? If to own a when we listen to this listen to this if the ornaments. We find out that the owners gave him twenty five thirty million dollars. Okay. You ain't gonna be the lead. Okay. Or if you come back in the league, you're going to stand for the national anthem. Now. This is what you're going to do. Okay. We're not giving any any any additional dollars to any course, anything like that. We're going to give you this money shut up come back and play and you capitulate to that. Then that goes against everything I want direct directly. I'm not saying he did that. I don't know. I get shoes there one. I agree that I would have also preferred to know the terms, but not knowing the terms to me, it's not a deal breaker, if your point is that max, what's others say I'm meal with or is stand with cap, then it's bigger than just what capper Nick wants. He has to consider that unless he plays in the league again and doesn't stand for the anthem. He has let people down that's a different story. Sorry. But again, whatever other people's feelings were about the symbol capper. Nick bootcamp became he has a right to say, wait a minute. I conscientiously objected to the ceremony that was important to me if he feels like he now can stand for it. He feels that in his heart. And he does it that's up to him. If he is instead never gets to play in the league again. But now others don't have to stand for it. Then he has made Mexican make one small point here. Max you're claiming victory on the collusion settlement on points that were accomplished before this the NFL's policy on the anthem had changed before the settlement of this collusion. This collusion case was about proving whether or not the NFL had blackballed as you pointed out Colin cabinet where we stand today, we have a clear draw. We do not know that is what a settlement is the only thing was accomplished with some some of money. You can attach wins or losses to that money based on your own internal automatic bought away. You don't know, by the way max, it will it is entirely plausible. Because you've got to remember you're talking about t-, let's say, for example, the NFL PA gotten involved in their father grievous, and they had been proactive and all of this as opposed to deferring the cabinets wishes in terms of 'em and his agent handling it instead of them. Let's just sit up there and say that they have positioned the NFL odors to try to force them to disclose text messages. Emails things of that nature. It is entirely plausible that the NFL was completely completely innocent of collusion. But there's other dirt's other decimated at one out there, which is why the way a lot of people think that's likely and I want to address that now. Okay. We can sit here and save the collusion case is really about a larger point. Hey, the NFL should not be able to unfairly drum someone out of the league because it's convenient or inconvenient for them their behavior. Right. But Colin Kaepernick may say, no, wait a minute this soup for me is I'm unable to make a living in my chosen profession as a result of that. And what's important to me is that I can. And I. We would be fair to say when we say how does Colin Kaepernick look now, none of us assume this low sum of money, I think the assumption of you assume that this is not sign money. I honestly max. Matt Matt honestly, I will hold on. We'll go. Will max Kellerman. This is a quote from Colin cap and Nick over a year ago. He says if they take football away from me my endorsements away from me, I know that I stood up for what is right. And that is what matters most. So again, what I'm saying to you is what I'm saying to us. I'm gonna just what you say. I'm simply saying that not disclosing not revealing anything and leaving folks in the dawn as to what really trained with the settlement. I think we're going to draw point. Go ahead question. Do you assume it's a large sum of money or a small sum of money? I assume what what's your definition a law? Millions of dollars. Well, it's merely. Yeah. Sure. In other words, he loses his car he wrote while he got paid off a contract. But he loses endorsements, but we all assume he just settled for millions of dollars. So did he stand up for something? Yes. Did he make a difference? Yes. He compensation what we got against him. Yet. He makes millions of dollars a year from night is I don't know what the definition of a large sum is right now. And I don't think we know what the answer those questions are. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting I've teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities, Dan, Patrick school sports casting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. Sportscenter right now, I'm Victoria Arlen so much for the off season the NFL managed to dominate the headlines last week, and you can expect more fireworks this week Steelers owner art Rooney is expected to meet in person within Tony Brown to hear firsthand from the disgruntled wide receiver who wants out of Pittsburgh, but on Saturday Brown decided to give fans a sneak peek answering questions on Twitter. Here's just an example of what went down on his relationship with Ben Rothlisberger. Brown tweeted, quote, no conflict, just a matter of respect mutual respect. He has owner mentality. Like, he can call up anybody, including coaches players know, what they can't say anything about it. Otherwise, they meal ticket gone. It's a dirty game within a game. Hashtag troop. And here was Brown on his trade. Demand. Quote, not for the money for the love of the sport the commitment to win relentlessly consistently passionately. Plus, I made seventy million it's public record Nazi cocky, just tree time to play for my own team av. Eighty four the family. I welcome in our NFL front office inside insider Louis Riddick who's back in Bristol for this conversation. What's up Louis? Hey, how you doing guys? All right. Steven eight I'm going to start with you considering ABC comments about Big Ben what he thinks more central to this entire thing. Who's the core of the problem? Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown when I look at Antonio Brown. I've certainly not about to absolve him from anything. But the reason why put and I'm going to go to route a Big Ben Rothlisberger Theresa why I'll put it on him because of a couple of reasons number one it's universally understood that why receive is arguably the biggest divas on a football team their wide receivers for crying out loud. They out there running around to all the time. And they they're lucky if they get five passes thrown to them for game. Even though that's not the case within Antonio Brown. That's more like eight or nine when it comes to him. We understand that the reason also a whole big, rob this Bergara accountable. And all of this is I think he's gotten a pass. He's been allowed to lay in the dog. Having missed the playoffs. We haven't heard from him at the seas after right immediately after the season ends he goes on a local radio show in Pittsburgh for his weekly radio gate. Okay. Anybody Szekely lie talked about how there was no issues. Really with him Antonio Brown. Relationship was fine. Not told y'all it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun at all. Because I had smoking Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is not fine. We're Big Ben Rothlisberger. So it's nice to see him publicly declaring where he has stood privately for months now if not years Big Ben Rothlisberger has a future hall of fame as a two-time champions been Super Bowls got nothing, but respect for him. But the reality is is that we have to recognize the fact that Big Ben Rothlisberger has a history of throwing teammates under the bus and not. And when I say team is I'm not just talking about players. It's players like Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant, James Washington. Call out the youth talked about how plays needed to be made. He's called out coaches in the path included in this offense coordinator, one of us coordinated Todd Haley is gone because of the relationship that he had. We're Big Ben Rothlisberger. He's called out management from Tom top. And he doesn't seem to call out himself enough, which is why add credence to what into or absorbed credence to win. Tonio Brown said when he basically said Ben Rothlisberger is like an odor. You know, he comes across the somebody that could just sit up there, and and diminish and disrespect of the people I'm paraphrase in there. But that's the sensually what he said. And so for me if you are the quarterback, if you are future hall of fame quarterback, if you're the face of the franchise, and you have been for more than a decade, and you have an elite receiver of this magnitude who is speaking that way against you. You cannot be absorbed from it. No excuse for Tonio Brown's childishness. I get that. But I find myself looking at Big Ben Rothlisberger. Because of Big Ben Rothlisberger were a bigger man than it would be easier to deal with the petulance of an Tonio Brown. The predictable petulance. Of Antonio Brown because that's what most wide receivers. Are. I absolve that roughest Pergamon the exact opposite end of this is you I don't absolve rothlisburger. But this is about Antonio Brown. How many Super Bowls had the Pittsburgh Steelers won in their franchise history? Six how many have they won without either Terry Bradshaw or Ben Rothlisberger zero? You need a franchise quarterback. Whether or not it's fair that guy has more sway in the organization than even the best receiver ever because it's not as correlated with winning Super Bowls as having a franchise quarterback. So rothlisburger stone guys under the bus. He does a lot of stuff. I don't like, however, the Pittsburgh Steelers even with a Levy on bell situation. We're still the Steelers low these many years rounds everyone a Super Bowl with them. But they want a Super Bowl before he got there. They'll still have Super Bowl chances after he leaves. In Tonio Brown shows up and all the sudden Rooney the owner is in the press making noise about maybe Brown doesn't have to be back. Mike Tomlin's being questioned the quarterbacks being questioned Brown. Looks bad keeps talking about these guys. So a franchise that was like the model northeastern old school run the ball. Stop the run win Super Bowls franchises. All of a sudden. It's like, wow. The Steelers the Steelers at like, everyone involved looks a mess that wasn't the case before Antonio Brown. Started talking. I gotta blame this whatever else is culpable to what degree to me. It's about him Tonio Brown. What do you think? Lewis. Look there. There's a whole lot of blaming. It's is not about this isn't just a question of Antonio Brown. Bush's Ben Rothlisberger. There's a lot of things that lead to the kind of combustible situation that you have here in Pittsburgh right now. And a lot of that starts at the very top. Because you're enabling and you're allowing this kind of situation the fester within your locker room and going on check look max, I agree with you. Quarterback play yada, yada, yada. It's important as far as trying to win Super Bowls. We get it. Okay. But so is credibility when it's comes to your number one leaders or rather your number one leader in your locker credibility trust. It's about that. And I'm not absolving Antonio Brown. Don't get me wrong. Because we've we've talked a lot about his child childishness. He is put it on display himself. And he doesn't need to grow up. He does need to do some things that get out of himself back into the team. He does need to do that. But there is a trust issue going on here, obviously between him and Big Ben. And I think it's something that obviously the Rooney's right now understand that maybe we need to take a step back here a little bit and really listened to Antonio side of this and really kind of gather all the information here because something's fester in here with our football team that just keeps coming up over and over and over again there's enough rumors that are going around Pittsburgh as far as might not run a tight ship. And I'm sure he's going to have to be involved in far as this is concerned about, hey, what kind of changes do I need to make going forward on the little bit to blame of this. Again, the ruins are a little bit to blame. Because although you can't manage teams from the sweets and from the board room, you have to have your finger on the pulse of what is going on with your football team. Especially concerning your primary players. You're superstar players the players that ultimately are going to get you to the Super Bowl and right here. It doesn't look like they have their pulse on the finger of anything. Because all of a sudden now, although there may have been rumors swirling around about, you know, maybe how Big Ben conducts himself as a leader. And there has been there's been evidence that says that he's willing to throw anybody under the bus and not really stepped up and hold himself accountable. Like some of the other multiple times Super Bowl champion winning quarterbacks. Do look man. But it's it's time. It's time for them to really have a clearing of the air here because you really want to send Antonio Brown packing. Do you really going to send him down the road? Louis louis. That's where I'm going with all of this in to address Max's point directly. It would be one thing if Antonio Brown acting as if he should have an elevated level of importance over Big Ben Rothlisberger. That's not what he's saying. Essentially what he's saying is excuse me. I'm kind of all world at what I do myself that doesn't give you the license to disrespect me just because you play a different position in obviously your position is more important than mine. There is value to me. This is a guy over the last six years has had a minimum of one hundred one receptions and a minimum of twelve hundred and eighty seven yards par season each of the last six years. So to me, I think this is one of those situations if they sat down and Antonio Brown was able to speak his mind, and the speak clearly and people were willing to man up and accept responsibility for their role in things, I think you'd be hearing entirely different tune from Tonio Brown. I think the thing that floor straits in the most is what he believes. A guy like Big Ben Rothlisberger has been allowed to get on lead at the same. The importance of your position is understood in football when you play quarterback and you're a superstar quarterback and you're a Super Bowl winning quarterback. That's a given. It does not give you the right though, then to just go hog wild and be able to call out whoever you want whenever you want and act as though you do have an ownership type of mentality. That's not the way it works in consistently sustaining sustainable winning cultures. You just don't do those kinds of I hear you. I think the Tonio Brown makes valid points. But to me that's a separate issue. Because the fact is the Steelers have shown in the past that they can win a Super Bowl two Super Bowls without him. And with rothlisburger at quarterback, whatever office burner was doing back, then unless it's changed overtime Jackley. See that the note, but see that's what you don't know. Max, you don't really know what is going on in this locker room right now as far as is Ben contributing to some of the problems here. And again, this is not trying to take the blame off van Tonio. We've seen him do things that are just ridiculous that you just go look, man. You don't have to do that. You don't have to your. Getting another attention. You're getting enough money. We know you're a superstar can just say. It seems to me that he lost his burger is contributing to something bad going on here. The should Antonio Brown. Be talking about it publicly. If you on it. The same way the same way the same way temple shouldn't be calling out their teammates the way that happens in Pittsburgh and air there they air their private laundry publicly all the time. This is this something that's indicative of what's wrong here, and what the Rooney's have to get hold of. There's enough blame round to go for everyone in this situation. Was put a pianist Louis you're gonna come back a little bit later. We'll keep talking about this other things in the NFL. Thanks Louis yet. Message and data rates may apply. When did it become ok for men to be Lazier softer fatter? We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. 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Steelers Preview: Do Steelers fans really appreciate Ben Roethlisberger?

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Steelers Preview: Do Steelers fans really appreciate Ben Roethlisberger?

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That's Brian Anthony Davis. How's IT GOING BRIAN? I am happy as a clam on Tuesday there. You go and I am not Ben Rothlisberger. I am Jeff Harvard as I stated earlier. And yes we are all wearing our Ben Rothlisberger Jerseys We're doing that intentionally. It has to do with the headline and the appreciation for number seven. We'll talk about that in the second little tease. Therefore you we've got an action packed. Show today action packed. Show I hope. Your buckled up ready to go. It's GonNa be fun. It's GonNa be funny and the Knicks. You join us for the after party shortly after this one. So let's get things started with. Kevin Colbert met with several members of the media today and he gave a lot of just like Art Rooney. The second did a few weeks ago. There's one thing I wanted to talk about to kick off the show. He made a comment Kevin Colbert. He said that he is more confident in. That might not be the exact words that he used. Dave you have to correct me. He's more confident. Team heading into twenty twenty. That he was in twenty nineteen coming off a nine six and one season guys. We know what's going on with his team. We know the giant elephant in the room. And IT'S THE JERSEY. Were all wearing right. Absolutely is this just. Is this just nothing but him blowing smoke or you guys buy into this and thank you know what he should be more excited for. Twenty twenty eight anywhere. Twenty Nineteen Brian. We'll start with you. You know. I think it's a little bit of smoke and the reason I'm saying that is know. Look you know you've got to say that you're excited about the two thousand nineteen when bad so of course you say you could easily now that Oh yeah more excited about this season because you're selling the up time upcoming season no GM's going to say you know what I was more kind of coming into the last season I am this season. This season might sock folks now. Don't WANNA I don't WanNa your capital shifts saying that so Yeah I can't think of a little bit of smoke but I always say this with management. They know something that we don't because they're the ones putting the ingredients in the stew. Good Point Dave. What about you thoughts on the comments? I think the heart of the comment came to what is the focus and the strength of this team. And when you're talking about the strength of the team going into last year of being being the offense but then you had lost some key pieces and then you lost Ben Rothlisberger on top of that that I would see why we didn't know because you had your strength that you would lost a couple of your better players this year going into this year. Your strength your defense and with the only question mark right now being by debris and J von Hargrave if they can keep either one of those. I feel that. There's a reason to be more confident this year than last year because last year the question would be. How was Ben Without Gummy Richards? And things like that. Sorry you may say So there was question mark going into it because that was the strength of your team. And how would your strength respond? Now you have a new strength and it looks like you're going to rent maintain most of that strength so I understand why he's confident when he went into a little bit of specifics after he made that comment and he mentioned one thing defense the way the defense was playing at the end of the season the way the defense played really once they acquired megabits. Patrick he's this defense. I feel like we can contend. He spoke about how he was just disappointed. They didn't even make the playoffs. He's because you know our goal obviously is Mike. Tomlin says is our Rooney. Says he says over and over again is to win championships. He's in if you don't even get to the dance that's a problem and so two straight years steelers haven't been in the postseason he's excited. We're all excited. I hope that you are excited. I'm really a anchor anxiously excited for the twenty first of February when Ben Rothlisberger gets his first Doctor's appointment out of the way in to see how his arm is in. Yeah and that's and they in Kevin. Colbert actually said that. That was the date because a lot of people are saying that it's not true Ron cooked from the post. Gazette issued broke that news. Maybe it's not L. It's twenty first. And so ben could start throwing not a football but he could start throwing objects As soon as maybe the end of the month and so that would be great news. We'll see how that goes. Let's talk about Ben Rothlisberger for a little bit showy last night on the standard is a standard lance. And I were talking about Just the quarterback position then gets brought up every show on every single every single podcast. Why he's the the key cog to this machine in twenty twenty and if he's back and healthy than this team can contend in my opinion. If he's not you might expect more twenty nineteen again. We'll put it that way and Lance is not a big fan of number seven anyone. That's listening to this. Show listen to Lance Williams talk. He's not a fan of his off field transgressions. He's not a fan of how he can at times. Throw his teammates under the bus. I said the lands. I said thinks steeler fans really appreciate what they have in Ben Rothlisberger. Do they really appreciate number seven and we texted each other as we did our production meeting this morning as we usually do on? Thursdays in Brian. You a good point about an aging veteran in general. Why don't you elaborate on that? Janet Jackson once said it best in her debut single would have you done for me lately and so we see this a whole lot of times I could bring up. One guy that that steeler nation didn't give him a chance the first season he was a bust and at the end of his career they were ready to ship them out because he's too old he can't do it anymore. That's Troy Powell Mala. If you remember two thousand and three this guy he was. They were talking about him like they talked about. Jarvis Jones and Artie Burns actually already. Burns wasn't the scourge until season two steelers fans. But they weren't sure about this this Guy With long hair. That long haired guy. That's all they'd call them. They couldn't pronounce his name and they they saw this guy and they're like you know he just he's not doing anything hardly playing. Hey Dick Dick Lebeau defense in. What they did was they made. Sure you learned it and pepperdine here and there. But usually for defenders Indica Lebow's defense it was season to where you would flourish and season two. He was absolutely amazing. That two thousand four season at the end of his career. Everybody loved Troy. It all started out like this. I love troy but it was it. You see that with aging veterans all the time. It's time for him to go. That's what that's what Brian saying. That's what everybody says the majority of people say you. We need a new guy because this guy's too old he can't do it anymore. So we put these guys out to pasture of very easily and that is kind of what's happening with Ben Roethlisberger right now. I don't think he's appreciated. And I think that's really what we can say about. What's going on here right now? Because he wasn't there for this team last year because of his elbow now. No one thinks he can do it. And everybody's ready to move on. They want I mean they WanNa Philip rivers in here. You don't want Philip rivers in here. You need a healthy Ben. Rothlisberger here is what you need. Everybody's talking Oh go get teddy bridgewater one. You don't have the money and to. You're not going to insult Ben Rothlisberger right now. If you bring anybody in you bring a competent backup and you bring somebody in the key. That could do something. You're disagreeing with me. Dave no you bring anybody. Because you've you've you've you're spending too much money on the position right now. Anyway I want to spend money spend it somewhere else. I? I'm not saying you bring somebody in if you're going to bring somebody in so what I'm saying is so if you're going to bring somebody in you bring a backup. Somebody that could spell him when he's gone. But you probably like Dave said. You're probably not going to do that now. This is Ben Rothlisberger team. That's the reason that randy land is here. That's the reason that if you ever see Richard Gumy's back here. It's because Ben Watson back that's the only reason you'll ever see that is if Ben Decides. That's his team. He makes decisions when he's here so with that being said Ben. Roethlisberger is not appreciated. Right now in the reason he's not appreciated as because he's not doing anything for you lately and you don't know what you're going to get in two thousand twenty because it's all ifs and buts candy and nuts Gal Dave. What are your thoughts on the appreciation level for a number seven from St Nation? Bottom line is this. If you have a player on your that takes up sixteen point eight percent of your salary cap you are going to basically have them be ninety five percent of your offense if they're an offensive player. That's what you have to do. I mean some people don't like that offense is so centered around Ben. That's because that's where the I mean if that's what you're investing your money that's what you've gotta do and if you're not going why would you pay that much money to a player that you're not going to accommodate and set up your offense or set up your team around and a story. I feel Ben is not perfect. He's not a perfect player. He's not a perfect person. Especially when we dig into the further back you go with them the more the imperfection comes out. That's not the thing. There are teams. That would die to have a Ben Rothlisberger over the last sixteen years. I mean look at all the teams that have at that if tried and thought they had something in a failed. I mean we live in an area where we're surrounded by fans of other teams one of those teams is the Washington redskins. You don't mean to tell me that. Any Washington redskin fan says you all what do they say to me all the time. You only do appreciate what Rawls Burgers long as you got it because we ain't had that for a long time you know they thought they had it with rg three. That didn't work out. It's amazing this doesn't happen all the time people and that's the thing we think because we're the steelers we deserve this or because we're steelers fans. We deserve this. They've got a great job assembling this team. And you've got to roll with Ben Rothlisberger as long as you can roll with Ben Rothlisberger as long as as long as you're having to pay him to be on the team he's your guy and we when it comes to twenty twenty. I put an article out this afternoon. That says twenty twenty nineteen. It's going to come down to injuries. And were the injuries are for the steelers? And how well they can compete. Because the way everything's set up you can't go out and get super deep all these positions just because they're not they don't have a first round draft pick. They have the thirty percent rule going on about restructuring. And they're up against the cap so that's just how it is this year you've got you've got to try to at least get your starting group out there and and pray that you're young guys if they have to be called upon Ken. Step up that the guys that you're not getting team or not banking on this year. The same things roll with Ben Rothlisberger. That's the first time in his year. He's been on. He and his year first time in his career. He's been on the injured reserve now all of a sudden Benz injury prone and we can't count on them. We have to go out and spend money somewhere else for Ben. Let's just you know. Bottom line is twenty twenty year. He's either going to come back and he's going to be the man and we're all going to get behind him again or he's not and unfortunately the Arizona over. It's just how it is when I think about this question and I'm a big Ben Rothlisberger Fan of safety that multiple times There's a couple of things that come to mind number one. I think about two thousand nineteen I think about. You don't know what you've got until it's gone okay. And do dozen nineteen should have been an eye opening experience for Steaua fans in my opinion. You didn't have or seven and I see a lot of people alive Cheddar. Tom Interceptions interceptions. You'll have Ben. Rothlisberger typically did even. When he threw some interceptions he made some really freaking great place to and he made some really good throws too. So yeah he has. Those doesn't always point to two thousand. Seventeen week five Jacksonville five interceptions. That was hideous. We all remember that game but a lot of times fans will always point interception so you saw two thousand nineteen two guys at through. A lot of interceptions didn't make those great throws didn't make those great plays and look what you got. So if you're GONNA point interceptions in interceptions alone then Ben Rothlisberger is going to be have glaring deficiencies in your eyes. But I WANNA go step further. I don't think since one event took place that this fan base has ever truly appreciated and embraced brand Ben Rothlisberger unless he want superbowl. What event has that was? You got it. That was my vote. You got it ever since he wrecked on that motorcycle because before that he can walk on water in Pittsburgh in around any Pittsburgh steeler fan and so ever since that moment in because Terry Bradshaw told him to wear. Helmand ditch the bikes and he didn't listen and he doesn't go on and on fans always doubted Ben Rothlisberger. They didn't think that he was everything was cracked up to be. Then you get to the off your transgressions the accusations. We all know about that. No reason to hash that up again. I just don't think this fan base because as as all Tom Brady. They saw drew brees. They saw Peyton manning hacked. There were times when they saw Philip rivers in. Eli Manning and the president will shoot. This is ridiculous Ben. Rothlisberger in my opinion is one of the best quarterbacks in his era I would say he's top five at least in his era. You know I don't think people might WanNa to put other good. Don't you always want to think about the negative? You Always WanNa think about the negative but let's not forget about the games were Ben Rothlisberger. Literally won the game or played unbelievable. I think about the Thursday night game against Carolina. I think about the Games against the Indianapolis Colts where he throws six touchdowns you know. I have these you have the game against the Green Bay packers. Where was one second left? He Mike Wallace in the corner throws for over five hundred yards. I think it you have these games into me. Those Games strongly outweigh the you know. They strongly outweigh the bad in terms of the Games where he has five interceptions. He throws a costly pick. Every quarterback throws a costly pick. You Know Tom. Brady's last throw in New England could have been a pick six in the playoffs. I mean come on guys appreciate the man for what he can do on the field. That's my theory and I have a good friend of mine is a dolphins fan and he always talked about Dan Marino and how people would say Dan Marino was a jerk off road and he always said the same thing. I like him for what he does on the field. I don't root for him as a person off-the-field and that's kind of what I feel about officer but I've always supported in because I've always appreciated him and I saw last year. I think you should have seen last year. What this world in terms of the steelers and the football team what it would look like if Ben Rothlisberger weren't on it and that offense was not pretty good Brian. What would you say bans wins against? Replacement would be if this was baseball. Maybe three against against his replacement navy and higher. Okay so if you look at two thousand and nineteen was just we just witnessed it and we just absorbed it and we're trying to get over. This they were in eighteen eighteen with Ben Rothlisberger possibly twelve and fourteen. That's true but like I always say the Miami Dolphins are not trading with the Pittsburgh steelers. If Ben Rothlisberger still on that team traded off that we that we would have had a first round pick would not have mick fitzpatrick and I will take minkah Fitzpatrick I will take a Ben Rothlisberger. Who might the question was? How much was he himself? Those first six quarters that he played. I don't know I would much rather look at Ben who's trying to get himself fixed now and coming back for another couple seasons than Ben Rothlisberger limping along and trying to cover for an arm. That may have been dead long before he really heard it. I do want to say one thing as R- Nehemiah I'll tell you you're right. You're ben is a great fourth quarter quarterback he is. It's not that he's not a great quarterback in other quarters but just look at this season. Did we really have any confidence in two thousand nineteen that that the offense had the ball and they needed the score to win that they would get that score. I mean the only chance I mean. They didn't even get to opportunities very very often. They had it against the forty niners where they actually had. The ball had to lead and then fumbled it away but they did get the ball one more time at the end but couldn't really do anything with it. You didn't have confidence in it but tell you what number seven hundred center. You sure did not that. He had not that he did it every time. But you knew it was possible you know it was possible to get your thoughts on this. I'll put it up on the screen. Dennis he's a longtime listener says Ben Undoubtedly made some some. He used that twice intentionally. Amazing throws but they were then and how many players has one. Is this. What it's come down to? I mean if you're if you're talking about his career as a whole I mean people I know the guy of North who's done a lot of damage to Pittsburgh in dot damage across the NFL regardless of how they did it but they've done it. Tom Brady is the gold standard. How many other players out there are going to have the the? We'll say the resume of Ben Rothlisberger as a career during his generation. We know Brady. We know manning even though manning how many superbowls did he win to okay? Who else seriously drew. Brees only made it to one. He's been. He's been a colossal failure in the playoffs. Failure jokes choke artists. People don't want to think that because they like drew brees Nice Guy. He's been choke artist in the postseason. Who else seriously. Because I was starting to fired up a little bit because go ahead go ahead if I could save me from myself one. He was thirteen and eight in the playoffs. Okay that's his overall record in playoffs but if you look at the top ten in passing the career. Nfl Ben Rothlisberger number eight drew. Brees is number one to your point one ring. Tom Brady peyton manning to rings farve one right. He consider that his generation bit Brett Farve. No but I'm going to get to a point there. Dan Marino Philip rivers ally manning and then Ben Rothlisberger Ben. Rothlisberger is most likely going to pass ally. Eli Manning he could. He's five thousand away from passing Dan Marino. That might be a possibility. When it's all said and done he could be the number five all time. Leering yardage if you're looking at Ben Rothlisberger his generation. You're talking about Tom Brady. You're talking about Peyton. Manning Philip Rivers ally Manning Matt Ryan whose number ten Aaron Rogers whose number thirteen and possibly Carson Palmer whose number fourteen. So if you're looking at those guys besides Tom Brady your worshiper balls of inbreeding. Yeah I am well manning has has the two I mean. So he's tied with manning has more. But here's here's a great stat that we talked about this year in the Super Bowl first time since two thousand three there was a super bowl or AFC championship game. Excuse me without Brady Rothlisberger or manic. That's that's how many years in a row that's who ruled the roost that entire time. So if it wasn't so one of the reasons ban didn't get six or seven because there were still brady and Brady was beating the steelers defense. They're still manning. So it's not head-to-head with those guys as far as they're not going out and passed the against each other there the Pacers on the other side of the ball passing defenses and so Ben Roethlisberger is one of the greatest generation if you WANNA put him a any higher than if you WANNA put them any lower than number four then. I'd probably disagree with you. You could put them. Maybe because you're GONNA go ahead and put your GonNa put Brady and Manning up there. You could put Bennett number three or you. If you WANNA put drew brees because of all the passing yards and one touchdown you could. Aaron Rodgers has excuse me not touchdown one super bowl and then Aaron Rodgers has one super bowl in. He's a he's down on the passing yards but he could possibly catch Ben but those are the five guys in. You could put van anywhere from three to five again. It comes down to the fact that people are steeler fans. That's spoiled ads spoilt. They WANNA THEY WANNA run out. They WANNA run out a coach of the year candidate from this year. They plotted people still want him gone. Because he's not the Guy Up North. You know if we don't have the very best that we need to move on from what we have. It doesn't matter for top five if we don't have the best then. It's not good enough. Sometimes I gets frustrating. I guess I guess the the point of this exercise is I hope fans especially after two thousand nineteen appreciate Rothlisberger if he can come back healthy and he's deemed to be ready to go. You enjoy every second of him playing. You can squabble about bad interceptions. We'll all do that. Every one of us on this show and everyone on our platform will probably do that. We're not saying that appreciation equals you. Don't hold a player accountable for what they do on the field. That's not what we're saying at all were saying is for crying out loud. Appreciate the fact that you have a franchise quarterback in the waning years of his career. Any need to enjoy it. Justin says I live in Michigan where people cheer for the Lions. I say we're spoiled now. You're right I mean heck just go up to northeast Ohio Mike Goodness people. I mean seriously I appreciate Ben Rothlisberger. I'm trying to say you don't have to like him off the field. You can complain about his interceptions but you know what? You're probably going to be the first people that are sitting there saying and I wish we had been Rothlisberger Back. When he retires in the cycle starts of what are we GONNA do? Now what are we going to do? Is Original? Going back into the Tomczak. O'donnell Stewart Eras. Tommy Maddox is that what we're going to go back to 'cause if so. I will just take my time with Ben. Please take your time. Enjoy every second if he plays two more years. Enjoy every second of this two years because we all know those enrolled enough. What is like when they don't have a franchise quarterback if you want to cliches that are going to some this is. The grass is always greener on the other side. And I believe you said it before. You don't don't know what you got until it's gone. Yeah but we know we do know what it's like because June nineteenth so that's what I'm saying people open you're open your eyes. Open your eyes and this and this is what I don't get. This is what I don't get. I'M GONNA put it on the screen because I just have to at this point in the green. Tv Says Ben is always been overrated. His first super bowl numbers with traffic Ash. I don't even know what to say. Don't even know what to say because yes we all know that he was what was. Let me guess youngest quarterback to win super bowl also worse passer rating ever for a winning quarterback in the Subaru. I believe at least at the time. I think that might have been a statistic. Might be right. But he wasn't good he was good. He wasn't good and he said that before suitable forty-three wanted to redeem himself because he played so poorly in super bowl. Forty Bradshaw's numbers. Bradshaw was not great. He was barely good. He was pretty much average in super bowl. Nine his first Super Bowl Win Franco. Harris won the Super Bowl. Ben's still made some passes to get them in position to win the Super Bowl and Ben also took in touchdown as well so we forget about that what he did in Super Bowl. Forty three was absolutely amazing I do have a story if I could. Jeff about Ben Rothlisberger and this was a friend of mine was friends with Jeremy Cappuccinos When he was in this was a situation where Jeremy got called he was out of football completely working state college and he would come by my buddies tailgates at Penn state so when he got picked up in two thousand ten. My Buddy said hey. I'm going to the jets game and this was December game jets game. They said well. Hey nobody knows me. I'll just meet you in the parking lot. I'll tell you so. Jerry comes out and they're just shooting the breeze in he's like let me tell you a story about band that I heard from Sean Suazo because not a lot of people know that Sean Sweet Som was with the team back in two thousand five and camp. He lost the job to jeff read. So what's we would say is that this is a completely different Ben row rothlisberger five years later. This is a guy. He's all business now. He's he's taken the Knox. He recognizes that he made mistakes along the way. He was a cocky Brash kid in two thousand five and he was insufferable in two thousand ten. He's great to be around. He is the leader of this team. And and he's a winner. So I mean my thoughts about Ben Rothlisberger completely changed is sweet. Him said from two thousand five to two thousand ten. Have you heard anything really anything that you would argue about his character? Since everything got cleaned up I don't wanNA say cleaned up. Everything ended in Milledgeville after that thing he grew up. Yeah so I mean I I really I mean we can. We can remember what somebody did way back. When you're I mean and we can bring up. Beloved athletes would that had skeletons in their closet. That are now that now. We're talking about how they're they're amazing and they were great human beings and we could talk about that but we're not doing that with Ben Rothlisberger because we're not realizing that. Hey the guy had a chance to grow up in. The Guy is playing great football for this team and we would not be in this. We were this franchise would be nothing without him right now because Levy on Belden save this franchise Richard Gumy's Gummy Richards. I'm sorry did not fix this franchise this guy who was the guy who did it. You're right instead. Let's we spent lot of time on this topic and real quick go ahead Ali. Look I mean I am not condoning anything and I see what you're saying the live chat and what I'm saying is we can. We can go off line and talk about this and talk about everything in all the papers everything in all the reports so I'm not condoning anything. I'm just saying what he's doing on the field and in the locker room so everybody wants to bring that up in. I am not going there all right so you say let's not go there. M I in any way condoning anything. No I'M NOT GONNA call you out on it if you're GONNA call me out all right now. You're just as justifiable. You know what this is good is a good time. Take a step back. I get heated. Talk about Ben to I understand Brian. You have every right to say what you said. I think that we've we've kind of put a bill on this date. You want to say one last thing. Yeah I I saw live was under performed. You don't understand what that means if you think that the steelers have underperformed what that means is going into the season we all believe that they were a super bowl or a team capable of winning the Super Bowl and they did not think about what. Put us in in that shape to be a team that would even be considered as a possibility to win the super bowl so to say we underperformed because we didn't win the Super Bowl every year or get their or get us for the playoffs. Sometimes that's only because we've had. We've had the belief that the team the players like the we're talking about. Is it enough in the first place? Generous donation excuse me Michael. Malley puts ten dollars in the tip jar and says some of these comments in the live chat. We don't have to ask if we're spoiled some spoiled brats tonight. I waited for a long time for Ben. Hell of a ride in that rise. Not over here Mike released. I refused to admit it until I see or hear that a doctor states then Rothlisberger. You cannot throw anything anymore. Ride is not over yet. Neither is the show. We're GONNA move on. We're GONNA move on to the to the running backs. There's been a theme this week throughout all of our podcasts especially with the stat gig. Dave had a special guest on both of his shows. Not Special guest was not big brother. Ridge he's always on He had one cliff. Harris is still a punk that his author title on behind the curtain that he's recently changed it could somehow. He messed up his account. I don't know he sent me a text really early morning. I'm like what are you doing anyways? Go back and listen to that. They talked about running back. Should this team the steelers offense look for a running back by committee in twenty twenty or should they still look for that one? That one lead running back. That's like their guy. Yes what they always have done in my Thomas Nelson good discussion. But we're going to talk about the running backs in general David. You have the ninety one ninety one man offseason roster in terms of the running backs yeah. I don't know if they're actually at that number. Not Right now. I still don't think they can go over ninety one. No No. They can't but I don't know if they're really add. Probably not add ninety one and yes and once again. I don't have it in front of me. I have it in my brain so now if if we're are we including fullback in this in this discussion down. No one cares what you're saying. That would be an eighth player. Which would which would be Roosevelt? Are you ready for the seven players? Let's go okay. We have James Connor. Yes we have Benny style junior cares white. We have trey edmunds. We have Franklin Frank. Yes you should've sage infor last. How did you know what I'M GONNA turn it? Eleven we have we we have Darren Hall Bury. You missed one did I just skip over them. The depth chart. I'm sorry I said seven so I must have counted wrong with this. So we'll start over James Connor and he's still junior jalen sables junior trey. Edmunds Ralph Webb. You're welcome Brian and and and they're all. Here's I have a question for Brian. Anthony Davis right now and it it. It has to do with his idol. Which is Frank Web? Is Frank wearing the Jersey number? Or did he have to change denial? Have you checked the last I saw last year? He's worked forty so I don't think you'll have forty. I'm not sure what the night you have to do. Some explaining when you wear your Web Jersey to Heinz field next year. And he's not forty anymore and then you'll respond but he's not even on the team but when I wear my number six hodge honey. Oh there's purchases okay. Let's talk about the running backs for a little bit. Now Dave real quick. I listened to you. I haven't gotten through all of the Cuban yet but I had did listen to the Stack Eke. It seemed to me that cliff Harris is still a punk and you all on the show kind of agreed that running back by committee should be the team's best approach considering the contracts that all those players are currently on meeting their cheap also the fact that the steelers don't have salary cap space bringing in a veteran. Brian Anthony Davis ran the free agent running backs today and I was looking at the list thing. They can't afford any of these guys So that's that's not an option Indiana to draft a Guy. But how often the draft a guy in the second round? That is the Guy Right out of college. Because let's remember Leon. Bell wasn't the guy as a rookie and he was her but he's still wasn't the guy. He wasn't lady on Bell until she doesn't fourteen in my opinion when it comes to what everyone thinks up so dave good and spits them knowledge at us about the running backs and what. You all kind of decipher this week. And we'll get the discussion going all right. Well I I want to answer your question and read also put it in the live chat after I just checked it and that is one. Ralph Webb is currently listening to Your Jersey Smith forty number. So that's that's what he's done now but he's not the only one listed as that which I find interesting so the whole running back by committee approach saying based on based on who you got and as much as the steelers would like to to have one running back that they ride off into the sunset with it hasn't been working it hasn't been working is when it comes to change connor. He hasn't shown the durability and it's not just about protecting James Connor. It's just if you have the stable of running backs it just makes sense. You know if you have read painter. Painter Barn Red. If you've got a number of decent running backs split it up run them because that's what you have now. Some people feel that the steelers should go out and in their top draft. Pick get the best running back out there because we need that one guy that we're going to run the wheels off of I in the article. I put out today running back his believe it or not one of our better depth pieces. You might not like what we have at the top but when you want to talk about what you have across the board. It's one of the best depth pieces that we have for this team. We have holes in a lot of other places that do we really need to go out and rather than take this approach. Get that one guy or should we say maybe that's all we need for two thousand twenty. Personally I don't think I don't know that they'll do it that way. But with the running back that they have I think they are suited to split up. There carries better in two thousand and twenty you. Brian Way your thoughts on just the running backs in general well a lot of hinges on. How healthy is James Connor? But if you want to go by the running back by committee that's I mean you need to be committed to that from the beginning and maybe that might be a thing that you look at at the beginning by saying all right. We're going to have all these guys taking rb one wraps because if something happens that James Connor goes down. Then we're just throwing one of these guys in so you have to have it clearly defined who you want to be there Dave. You're absolutely correct. Their depth is not that bad but everybody wants an rb one they want. I mean we remember the days of Franco Harris and Leon Bell and Jerome Bettis and Willie Parker when there was a defined rb one. So that's what people want but we saw teams like the forty niners and the eagles of teams that were able to rely on that committee in how it work. Houston good committee guys here because Kenneth White could be number three in that committee and he could be your speed Guy They have that guy. I mean San Francisco. Had A guy like that. You have a benny snow. Be More of your bruiser and James Connor. Be Your first look guy but you bring them all in in a rotation and one of those guys does get injured. Then you're you're able to fill those holes a whole lot better but those are your top three running backs. Do you really need to bring somebody in? I think you need to bring people in and other positions. So that's that's probably when Dave says that's a depth that's one of your better depth physicians. He's absolutely correct. Yeah I mean there's like Dave said though I mean it's a deep position compared to other positions i. I'm not crazy about the death. Let me ask you other honor scale from one to ten one being no confidence at all ten being. I have a ridiculous amount of confidence. I'm supreme confidence. What's your confidence level for many South Junior? Going into twenty twenty Dave. Ooh shuttle for Benny Still Junior. I'm I'm going to give him a seven. Why yeah honestly? I liked what I saw. What a out of Benny Snell. I felt that he had more jets than what Lance Williams gave them credit for and to sit in the air chiming in a live chat and I do believe that like every other. Nfl player that especially with the steelers. You're going to see them being more. Nfl condition for their second year in the League. I think that you could see the change in him. I think we saw it in Levy on bell. I think we've seen it in a lot of a lot of different players with the steelers that they committed in that second year With a slightly different body type in order to do the things that they couldn't do the year before and if and if I couldn't get the corner in the past maybe he's closer to being able to get to the edge this year so I actually I have A. I'm more on the most optimistic for SNELL. Out of anybody in the group would be you Brian. Your confidence scale for Benny's now I'd probably go seven as well one thing that he does better than I've seen a steeler running back you know besides lay on bell in a long time as get better as the game gets older so I mean in the fourth quarter when he was running well I mean the. He ran better in the fourth quarter than any other quarter of the season. So that's that reminds me of how to do. I used to see that with your own best. I mean those defenses. We're getting tired in. He's running over you more and I'm not saying many SNELL. Junior is Jerome Bettis by any stretch of the imagination. But what I'm saying is that he he can. He can really run over you. When you're D- Francis getting winded if I'm asking myself this question I'm going to go with five in. That's just my confidence level right now. I haven't seen slower than woodland Said said late. Said said Yeah. And he's the one that dubbed him. Benny no jets The thing is for me. Is that the one aspect of smells game. He his vision is one thing that really kind of strikes me. You didn't prove at the end of the season. I'm sure that he gets more cohesion. With the offense of line. He'll be that will get better and better and better but at the same time he's gotTa improve inland says it all the time. Lateral speed lateral quickness. That's what you need in the national football league because the not always going to be there and you can't just run into the back of your linemen every single time if the holes out there Kenny. Improve absolutely will my confidence go up if I see a little bit better. Benny Snow in two thousand twenty. Yes but as of right now. I'm not so sure it's going to happen. Players dropping that weighed in getting that shape is not always a given you know and so if he struggles in that area or if if he loses the weight and losing some power loses some strength. That's something you have to think about as well so it's GonNa be interesting to see how that is but I'm going to go with the five Dave I was GonNa say just to remind people in case you didn't catch Stat Geek show. I'M GONNA throw out a couple of numbers from it and this is teams. Remember running back someplace year. Generally don't out of the thirty two teams in the NFL. The leading rusher for each team only twelve out of the thirty two. Did they play all sixteen games? Only twelve out of the thirty two teams and out of those twelve. At least three depending on how you classify them at least three of those teams were running back by committee teams but whoever had the most yards out of them or still didn't play in all sixteen games. So it's what happens this out of the top fifteen. There were fifteen. Rushers that Rushworth thousand yards last year. Only seven of them played in every game so less than half out of all out of the forty six running backs rush for four hundred yards or more last year. Only nineteen of them played in every game so less than half bottom line is running. Backs are GonNa are GonNa Miss Time. Espn that's just what happens. It's the more wear and tear position than probably any other position in the NFL. Which is why I ask you all your confidence and Benny Snell. Because in my opinion he would be on deck to use a baseball team. James Connor goes down. Whose on deck here comes Benny Junior. And if you don't have confidence in him that's a problem because I think wall agree that Jalen singles or care with white or not every down backs air situational players that can be used in specific spots in specific formations to maximize matchups. That's the way I view them. Benny smells different breed. I think he's one that could carry the load if he can prove that he's capable so we'll see we will see logo had good well. You're talking about confidence level here and I really want to hear your opinion on this both of you. If Ben Roethlisberger comes back healthy does your confidence in the running game rise. No no maybe a little bit but not much because Ben's not a guy that's gonNA WANNA commit to run he's GonNa WanNa throw the boys want to chuck it. Can I give Dave Answer? Yeah your answer no. It's not on the fence but I think you guys. I think you guys are going to agree with this. My confidence in them running the ball more goes down my confidence in them. Being able to run the ball better goes up. I think they'll thousand and eighteen. Yes the run it more effectively when they do because of the Ben Rothlisberger factor and have the respect of the passing game but because of Ben Rothlisberger. I don't feel that they. I feel that they won't run it as often. That's what I was looking for Dave. That's so jeff I disagree with you Dave. I agree with you all right. Let's Trivia Trivia. Yeah let's do it. I've got Trivia. I look look. Oh come on. That's right we all run. Can we take a break real quick and get a running back jerseys on? I don't have a only ask seven jerseys and to never to everybody you must have a great family member someone that really loves. Jeff? The guy you that data really hates thaddeus thaddeus wanted to know real quick about the staff that I gave about the thousand yard rushers. How many of them were sitting week. Seventeen there's I would say one half because the only one that is for sure that sat week seventeen was Mark Ingram and I do believe even if they were having to win that game because of his calf injury he wouldn't have played anyway so I don't I don't think he was a full out sitting just for rest. I don't because he was barely able to go in that game anyway so other than that. There wasn't any other ones I do. I WANNA do my trivia. I because you guys are GonNa know the answer to this product. 'cause you were looking up other stuff. Okay I'm GONNA say this. We're looking at running backs. In all time steeler history going all the way back to nineteen thirty three but trust me. We're not going back that far. So we're looking at tailbacks halfbacks fullbacks running backs. All those things combined together the steelers have ten of them that have played in a hundred or more games. As a steeler ten players that played running back for the plate in a hundred or more games as a steeler only one player has played as a steeler the running back position in this millennium for one hundred games meaning since the year two thousand. Do you all know what player for the Pittsburgh. Steelers has played in one hundred or more games since the year. Two Thousand and at the running back position that is all. These games are with Pittsburgh every game with Pittsburgh stay. I think I got it. Go ahead. Brian Number thirty five from New Hampshire. Dan Kreider that would be correct. Good for you. That would be technically full back but like I said I group them altogether she through that through that out there. That kind of tipped it. Yeah well really. I would have never got it if you didn't if I didn't do that you and I would have said. It was over the counter thrown back to it so I listen Dave. We can complain about whatever we want when you're throwing out. Well here's Dan Kreider. He played in. Let's see well one hundred thirteen games. I didn't put much into starts. Because it all depends on what formation they started in whether the fullback or even I mean there was games. We're Levy on. Bell was the feature back but he didn't start because they started in five. Why he only had four touchdowns he had two rushing and two receiving and he had more than twice as many receiving yards than rushing yards in his career but the the only person who was anywhere close to that number was someone who was over one hundred games a steeler but didn't have that many games after the two thousand and that was a jerome bettis had eighty three cents two thousand but with the steelers at all he was in second place with one hundred and forty five. All Right Trivia question. Yeah I was a white one question. A whole bunch of knowledge very good. I'M GONNA go next Brian. Nowadays Thunder got a couple of questions. One's a little bit more stats and Info. I found something I was like. Wow I never would have guessed this. Does anyone know that this happened in nineteen forty nine? So if you know this Kudos to you I wanted to look up. The longest run run rushing touchdown in Pittsburgh steelers. History happened in one thousand nine. Forty nine down. You know the player because I never heard of him but I really want to know if you know how long run was. Does anyone WanNa take a guess on the player. Can you say that again? Please forty nine. The longest run rushing touchdown. They should along as rushing touchdown in steelers. History happened in nineteen forty nine. I'd never heard of this player before. And I wanted to know if you all got the could get the actual yardage of the run. You know look this up once a long time ago. I'll make a guest. This guy might be a quarterback. I'm not sure. Was there a guy like Dick Shiner? Something or not Dick Shiner equal pretty sure. There's a new naming no although I did like Leads Williams's Ryan Switzer Highland? That's a long time ago. Even dentist was only five years old I'm I'm GonNa say for distance I'M GONNA say. Eighty nine yards. Gained ninety nine yards the running back bobby gauge in one thousand nine forty nine eighty nine yards. Brian. Anthony Davis take a guess for yardage ninety seven. You're correct read. It said it in the live chat. It's ninety seven yards bobby gauge in one thousand nine hundred forty nine. We all remember the play the play around the world. That's not true. Okay other part of my Real quick steelers Trivia is. I looked up. Who has the most rushing yards in steelers history? We all know that right. Is that Dave? What was that the most rushing yards in steelers history? I'm going with Frank O'hare absolutely with eleven thousand nine hundred fifty and who's in second? Brian Jerem correct with ten thousand. Five hundred seventy one. Which is pretty incredible when you think about how which which also lines up with the number of games played. Franco was one in better switch to K now. Humor is crazy. This is not a trivia. How many I guess I could make it a trivia. I was. I've Franco. Harris fumbled the ball ninety times in his career. He scored ninety one touchdowns and fumbled. At Ninety Times. Drumbeat is twenty eight. That's I don't. I wasn't alive for Franco. Harris time in Pittsburgh. Was He known as a tumbler? You were what you are live for Franken. We weren't cognizant but he won't talk eighty three. When did he go after? The eighty-three season was okay. So you were alive just like I was alive for the immaculate reception do anyways so Zenonas a fumble earlier because ninety fumbles. That's you gotta remember. That's a different era when the defense was was hold onto the football. You're still getting them. Fumbling Franko you know but I don't think he will not stashing Franko. I'm just asking simple question of times. He put them on Arbat. I don't think he was known as a huge filmgoer If we could go back and podcast forty years ago. I'm sure the live chat would be screaming about how we need to get rid of Franco. Because all we does fumble any runs out of bounds. He runs out of bounds. Yep that's all I those two questions ago head Brian. What's Your Chevy before? We called this a show well before I get into my trip. Real question. Chuck knows quarterback in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine per season when one eight. That was like a one thirteen season. They won their first game and they They lost the the last thirteen games. So the winner of that First Game. I believe over the Detroit. Lions the quarterback was one Dick Shiner existence and he was the first quarterback of the chuck. Noll era so there you go. I just look that up now. Let's go back to the sixties again and we have one of the most famous running backs in Pittsburgh steeler history. We've talked about. This guy is a lot but one of the guys that we don't talk about when we talk about yardage gained but he could probably be a hall of Famer for a lot of other things that he did is rocky bleier. Would you agree on that? Probably one of the most fabled non hall of famers in Pittsburgh steelers history so rocky bleier. When he came into the League he was wearing a different number before he went to Vietnam and he changed number. Twenty because of another player that ended up with the Dallas Cowboys Preston Pearson had this number. So he couldn't get his. He cannot get his number twenty six back in having moved twenty. I just told you the answer. Just Jeff correct yeah. I'm picking over for true back any president to has to offer a running gun it. It's yeah and just so you know rocky bleier third most games played running back as dealer. Just so we're clear if you want more laughter. If you want more jovial talk and talk about Lord knows what. 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Let's Ride: It is time for the nit picking of Ben Roethlisberger to stop

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Let's Ride: It is time for the nit picking of Ben Roethlisberger to stop

"Verizon just turned on five G. across the country with the coverage of five G. Nationwide and more and more cities. The unprecedented performance of ultra wideband the fastest five G. in the world ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds for five G. Won't just change your phone works it will change how businesses do everything. This is the five G. America's been waiting for only from Verizon Vijay Ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five G. nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period January thirty first through April thirtieth twenty twenty. Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to a Wednesday episode of Let's Ride I'm your host, Jeff Hartmann Co editor of behind the curtain dot com and I am in a mood jokes. I'M GONNA mood in I can get in moods and when I get in mood sometimes I go off on rance sometimes I laugh hysterically you can ask my wife I'm a man of many moves in I am in a mood Today. And I'll tell you why I'm in a mood to date is because of the topic, the topic is none other. Then my favorites, Pittsburgh, steeler player, the player that I have lied to has been the only Jersey that I've worn since two thousand four. That's right. You guessed it one Ben Rothlisberger, or is Brian Anthony. Davis. Calls Him Benjamin Todd Rothlisberger I threw in the accent that's what he always says. Big Ben I have always been a big Ben Fan. I will never forget. For the life of Me Okay I'm in college attended Shepherd University in Shepherdstown West Virginia actually went to Shepherd College and graduated in Jeopardy University. Got To choose. It was on my diploma. That was pretty cool. Just side share that anyways I met him in college unearthly forget in two thousand and three I'm sitting in our dorm room and my fraternities wing of the dorm rooms in our campus on campus and. We're watching ESPN two on some random Wednesday night in the fall in, we're watching Miami of Ohio play Bowling Green. In this kid from Miami Ohio is just sling in the rock around the field. I mean. It was insane in I. Remember saying to my fraternity brother who is a follower behind a steel curtain and he's a big steeler fan I said, Whoa, how awesome would it be to have this guy on the steelers? He's a that would be crazy. But at the time when we said that no one knew what was going to happen with two. Thousand and three Pittsburgh steelers no one knew that they were gonNA finish six and ten and that they would end up with the eleventh overall pick in two thousand and four NFL draft in no one knew that teams like the Cleveland browns would pass on Ben Rothlisberger that teams like the chargers and the giants would take other quarterbacks, I e Philip rivers eliminating ahead of Rothlisburger, but shockingly rothlisberger fell right into the steelers lap in since that moment. I have been a gigantic Ben Rothlisberger Fan analysis before they ben was born because you've got to remember when Rothlisberger was draft and he he didn't even come to camp on time they're trying to figure out the contract that was back before they were slotted contracts. He shows up I'll never forget the picture in the Post Gazette, which shows bill cower add at Saint Vincent with his Straw hat on shaken rothlisburger hands up near the the bleachers at Chuck Millfield and he came into camp and he did find and he was the backup and he was he was gonNA play when he took over. And the team went on that streak. Rattled off fifteen straight wins. Fifteen one record my gosh, everyone I wasn't the only one everyone was hooked. Big Ben Mania had hit Pittsburgh. When the Rothlisberger became thing it was tough to get Ben Rothlisberger Jerseys. Wife. will she was my girlfriend at the time actually bought me my first Ben Rothlisberger Jersey it's a white reebok replica. I still have to this day and it's never been washed. That's right. Got It in two thousand four and it's never been washed. So you can save what she want about that I never run around and it I've never sweaty in it never gets dirty because I never eat in it. I don't WanNa, get it dirty, but it's ever been washed and she thinks it's disgusting I never watched any of my jerseys I own a lot of Ben Rothlisberger Jersey's only jerseys that that I wear anyways. Long Story Short on a big Ben Rothlisberger Fan and there's people in our live chat. If you ever listen to the steelers preview or check us out on Youtube, you can buy youtubecom and search PTSD steelers radio. And there are some people that always joke around with me saying all jeff doesn't like Ben Rothlisberger it is just a joke because they know that I am one that will always stick up for number seven. I've. I'll probably critical of them when he deserves it but I'm always wanted to stick up for number seven and so this brings us to the actual title of this podcast in that is. My Gosh, it's time for us to stop nitpicking Denver Office. And this is not really directed to the fan base. This is more directed to the media. Especially, the mainstream media were talking ESPN CBS, Sports Fox Sports, those main media outlets, not necessarily the local Pittsburgh media outlets because obviously when they cover him every single day, it's a little bit of a different in terms of coverage but. This, all started when Meena kinds of ESPN tweeted out the other day. How Ben Rothlisberger is like the Ben Simmons? WHO's the point guard for the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in the NBA in case you didn't know who that was. He's like the Ben Simmons of the NFL. Big Guy he's great. Just doesn't throw the ball that much just kind of dings and dunks it. Her when I read that I'm like Oh. My Gosh this is unbelievable unbelievable and there's people that are like, yeah. Yeah. I totally agree totally agree there's Philly fans in how dare you compare Simmons Rothlisberger it went on and on. But I was just this is unbelievable. All people have done Roth asperger's. His entire career is nit pick the heck out of him in out of his game and I have to ask you one point is that ever going to stop? At what point are we going to say holy cow let's just take him for what he is in. That's a future hall of fame quarterback. When is it going to happen the answer that question will get to the end of the first segment I'm not sure when it's going to happen I guess but I'll give it to you later. So she's confer. She's referring to this new fangled statistic that everyone spouting off about all the time air yards how many air yards does a quarterback have meaning? How far does pass travel in the air before it gets to its intended target air yards everyone some areas like the next great analytical. The analytics it's this great stat ever. Now you know what? Like it went from passer rating to Qbr and Areas Ben rasberries like lowest air yards in the NFL who cares. I don't. I do not care. You do care about but is that stabbed that I like to care about Oh I like to care about wins I. Think the fan base likes to care about wins. Do you win the game? Yes. Channeling my inner herm Edwards you play to win the game. I don't care if Ben Rothlisberger Dinxin and dunks his way seventy five yards down the field in scores touchdowns every single time I don't care of his area arts is to yards I really don't I don't care. Or as Mike Tomlin said, we do not care because I don't think he cares either. Ben Rothlisberger has been giving has been given something from the defense in the first four games of the season. He has been basically they've been saying we'll give you the underneath. So what does he done? He's taking the underneath visit the same criticism that both quarterbacks last year Mason Rudolph in Devlin Hodges. They had the same exact criticism air yards. They're not giving enough yards and yeah I'm saying like that on purpose. Because I think it's a ridiculous statistic. I think it's more Gimme stats like completion percentage touchdowns, interceptions, and what is that number wins? I keep on forgetting that statistic at that silly little statistic you know. So the knock on him with the air yards my gosh this guy, Gimme a break. He's he's thrown ten touchdowns. One interception. No area it's all about the air yards. But it goes further than that. The nitpicking goes beyond that. People have said that he holds onto the ball too long we'll. We need to get if he needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Get it out of his hands no more backyard ben no more throwing Terrell suggs off your show off your back getting rid of whole up stiff arming hello de Nada. No, we need him to be a system quarterback. We need to be a system quarterback. Well when Todd Haley came into Pittsburgh. He became assistant quarterback. Had A lot of success. Put up some great numbers. Put up some numbers. Well, one thing he hasn't done since becoming a system quarterback is what? win a super bowl. Yeah. He won a super bowl back with Bruce Arians. In Ken wasn't hunt. When they were literally playing some backyard, ball. I gotta be honest these he is willing to change his game. He's changes game numerous times in his career and is not always the nitpicking is incredible holds the ball to Long Ben. Now this year twenty, twenty, I think he has according to pro football focus. The quickest. Time for the ball to get out of his hands in the NFL. It's two point. Two seconds gets the ball one two out of his hands. That's the quickest of anyone in the NFL with as many passes that makes them eligible for that statistic. They didn't along on the ball anymore. Air Yards again. There's people that said he's not smart enough. There's people that have criticises intelligence. Now, I with a couple writers who've covered rothlisberger is entire career. This is in the two months that I was gone from behind this Joe, curtain this summer for I came back. I came back Casey to know. And I was talking to them about Ross burn the difference between him as a rookie in his first years dealing with all that success and then comparing him to now. And they said the biggest thing is that now. He. Is a film junkie. Then he was not that he literally would. He would go to the meetings and he'd be there and get the game plan but he was going to rely on his athleticism and his knack for the big play to win games, and now he realizes that if he can be a little bit more. you know above the neck better prepared he's GonNa have his team better prepared em my gosh this there was no better example this than the game winning the game sealing in my opinion touchdown against the Philadelphia Eagles in week five. Watched that play third, nate, the touchdown, the final touchdown thrown final touchdown to Chase Klay Pool. Watch Rothlisberger before the play. Now have you twitter feed you can go down and you'll see several people. Diagnosis play is beautiful to watch the Rothlisberger he's in an empty sets go five, five, five receiving options in he's looking over a Junie sees the coverage that they are going to give him. They have everything that he wants. He tells Juju right away. You've got an out meaning. He wants him to run an out route because he's he's he's GonNa take the safety with him away from the middle of the field, and then he adjusts Klay polls route and that's where he goes crepe with the post over the Middle Ding Dong touchdown game over. Yet but he stupid you know he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not smart enough. He's not smart enough to win football games. Yeah. He's won a lot of them. By the way he's won a lot of them and a lot of them should be accredited him. Then, there's the people as to careless with the ball. He's do careless with the ball. He's a gunslinger calls himself a gunslinger. He talks about John Elway and Brett Farve they were careless with the ball we need someone in their that's GonNa, protect the ball. Well, you know Terry Bradshaw wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't protecting the football he was careless with the ball he had a ton of turnovers in his career. Plain and simple and has been rothlisberger head games like in two thousand, seventeen in week five. I will never forget that that day he threw five six, he threw five interceptions as he had games like that. Yes. Absolutely. He has his he been willing to test defenses and really put to the test in terms of fitting the football and a small little windows in small little areas. Yes. He absolutely does every time he goes but you know what? He's done this year he's thrown ten touchdowns to one interception. Ten To One. I'll say again, ten touchdowns to one interception I will take that ratio folks. Take that ratio for the rest of the season and he'll finish with forty touchdown four picks. Yes. Sign me up. But you know what? He doesn't have enough area yards. And then there's always the off the field stuff that still gets brought up. It still gets brought up whether it's the motorcycle accident. You know because you know Terry. Bradshaw told him. He shouldn't rewriting that motorcycle told her Hey ben put that motorcycle away. To get into a motorcycle accident and there's the appendectomy that same season it was a rough year right off the super bowl and it was it was a rough part of his life, not as rough as when he was but the accusations both in Milledgeville and in vodka. There's this were black is not on Ben Rothlisberger reputation, but also the steelers organization, but they stuck by him. They stuck by because he's a heck of a quarterback. If this were some backup quarterback like Brian saint-pierre eight have been cut in an instant now. Talent trump's. In Dan has done his share of off the field stuff you know what was the most? I think the thing that hurt him the most. Off The field wise. The thing that hurt him the most was when they challenged his leadership. When you had people in this kind of started with Emmanuel Sanders when Emmanuel Sanders left Pittsburgh, he ends up going to Denver and he's with peyton manning and the broncos and he talks about Peyton manning is the greatest leader. He's ever been around that. He's wanted this type of quarterback, his whole career I mean just straight shots right into the gut of Ben Rothlisberger. The quarterback that has made his receivers a ton of money in their careers they play with Ben. He gets them the football. He makes him look really good and then because the steelers just can't keep everyone they end up hitting pay dirt elsewhere. But gotTa Punch in the Gut from Emmanuel Sanders, and then there's the whole Antonio Brown. He gets he talks his way out of town. Ben Rothlisberger never even invited me to his house. I've never been in his house before he's a horrible leader. He's not a good quarterback Blah Blah Blah when he goes to New England Tom. Brady. Is the best quarterback best-prepared I mean just gut shot after shot and then even levy on bell has the has the. As to go on a really bad espn interview talk about Ross burgers leadership there too i. mean my Gosh I have to think that was the most difficult thing to stomach. The motorcycle stuff. That's a fluke thing. Sure some would say I should have had a helmet on or. Should or should have shouldn't have been in that on the motorcycle and we all know the accusations were bad from a football player in your quarterback someone to challenge her leadership what tell you what has happened since then he definitely has changed things around as a personal family man and I spoke to reporters about this and they said Ben's a completely different guy off the field. Now when Big Ben I'm sorry when Ben Rothlisberger became Big Ben was when he was going out and partying. He was responsible. He didn't care. He was bigger than everything. Bigger than everything bigger than the city didn't matter. He was Big Ben you know who I am. Big, Ben. will now that's not the case three children married definitely settled down he has found God and whether you believe in that or not is not important it's important to him whether you do. That's not important. Because we're not talking about that. We're talking about him. He is found some type of San new spiritual? Aspect of his life will put it that way. And it seems to me that his leadership has grown exponentially. That he is now a player that young players will gravitate towards. Yet. There's the stuff with the radio show and how he's calling out players a the most notably James Washington how he criticized the broke his rookie year. The Ross Burgers learned a lot. He's been through a lot but he's also learned a lot into all this stuff. These knocks on Ben were nit picking the heck out of this guy and I kept on thinking to myself. Have we done this with any other quarterback that has had the amount of success that Rothlisberger has in his career? I can think of Donovan mcnabb, my Gosh, they used to nitpick the heck out of Donovan mcnabb when he was in Philadelphia the Donovan mcnabb didn't win two super bowls. Donovan mcnabb wasn't the quarterback of the Pittsburgh steelers. For some people think I e Peyton manning and Tom Brady. You win in a gives you a pass. That never happened with Rothlisberger not in my opinion now with the national media at least. Now. Know Tom Brady didn't have as many off the field issues. Yeah he was. He played for New England we all knew there were controversies up there in the northeast. But ultimately, you look at it and you're like man, this is in fair for Rothlisberger and it's not fair for them to all of a sudden start firing him because of air yards. The Guy has gotten his team out to a foreigner start the best start since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine. Four no I. Don't care who they played. He's coming off a season ending elbow injury. In two, thousand and nineteen. And people are criticizing air yards are you kidding me? All, he's been doing his winning and people are going to criticize guy get out of here. Get Out of here with that talk and you know what? If two thousand and nineteen has done anything for the fan base the Pittsburgh steelers fan base listen up folks if two thousand and nineteen hasn't done anything to teach you to appreciate Ben Rothlisberger than you must have been drunk or not paying attention last year. How many times where the steelers in games or we all said if only have seven, they would've won the game where they have seven back and he's winning games. If you're someone that's GonNa sit there and criticize rothlisburger when he's four no. For the first time in his career. And he looks pretty darn good doing it. Ten touchdowns one interception in case you forgot. Then, I don't think you'll ever be happy. I. Don't think you'll ever be happy you are wishing for something that doesn't exist. If you're someone that's going to be critical of Roth burgers play and we're only talking about twenty twenty. Then you are wishing hoping for something that does not exist. That's the only thing I can say to you that the only thing I can say to you because if you're someone that says, you know what I don't like Rothlisberger for the off the field stuff. That's fine. That's fine. But when it comes to playing football, you can't knock him not this year. Get Out of here with that Air Yard stuff get out of here. GET OUTTA here they're winning football games. It's all it matters. If he asked Rothlisberger over and over and over again Jose I don't care how we have to do. It is long as we win in. That's what matters in there for now. There you have it folks Wednesday picking stop. It's not never I never is. He'll be nitpick until the day puts on a gold jacket in Canton Ohio at the pro football hall of fame, he will be picked until then I guarantee it and even then some initial still do it they'll be. They'll tweet something out stupid about air yards. I'm sorry a mood. Og that I warned you. Come back after this break to talk about balance. In a real heartfelt message stages. Verizon. Jim. Down five across the country with the coverage of five G. Nationwide and and more and more cities. The unprecedented performance of Ultra wideband the fastest G in the world ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds, fries and five G. won't just change your phone works it will change how businesses do everything. This is the five G. America's been waiting for only from verizon. Vijay Ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities by nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period. January thirty first through April thirtieth twenty. Twenty. All right his Defense Jeff Harmon back here. But the second part of our less ride podcast is Wednesday morning. I really hope you enjoyed that ramp because it felt could all get out of there felt so good. Let me just say that wherever you're listening spotify Google play itunes stitcher anchor Pandora, please follow the show, follow us because that way you you never miss anything there's so much content. It's not just Monday Wednesday Friday show it's the steelers injury report it's the live Mike. It's the steelers tacky th the steelers hangover, the steelers preview I could go on and on all of our content is phenomenal gotta follow us and you listen on I tunes. Gives a five star ranking in. Good comment I read our new comments on. Thursday nights steeler preview on Youtube Zoe. We get your comment read leaders that we really appreciate. It helps the exposure. So before I get into my heartfelt message finish the show I, WanNa talk a little bit about balance. Okay. Balance Balance. We all need balance in life you know what? I mean. If you listen to this show, go back to the blog talk radio days not let's ride but just our podcast platform back when it was just myself and Lance Williams that was it. and. We did the standard is a standard podcasts. It was just us there were no other show was just us over every Wednesday night. I would always talk about the keys to victory for offense lance or do the defense, and I would do the offense. And he would say, all right Jeff What your keys for victory and I would say literally the same thing every week. Well, you know what lands I think they should be balanced on offense you know I'm talking about even run to pass ratio. And he would laugh he was man you say the same thing every week and I said I'm GonNa keep saying the same thing until they actually do it. There was a point. I don't know maybe the end of the Haley era maybe early her era that it was almost like a seventy thirty run to pass to run ratio. To me that's unacceptable. My goal as a fan is I, want my offense I want my favorite teams offense to be balanced to be able to run the ball efficiently enough that you can do it whenever you want in you pass whenever you want that you're not gonNa let anything dictate what you do. That's what I've always wanted I want an offensive line that can say you know what we're going to run a down your throat you've got eight in the box I don't care still going to get four or five yards in create a manageable third down situation. That's what I've always wanted in. It seems like folks hold on hold your breath. The steelers actually have that this year I know I don't WanNa say to out I WANNA jinx it knocked on Wood for all you superstitious folks out there. You know today I'm according this on Tuesday. Mike Tomlin. Spoke today as press conference, and he spoke just about this is that someone asked him they sa- coach what do you think is the difference between playing with a lead By playing with League, what do you think the biggest differences because in two thousand nineteen, they were rarely ever had elite they always seem to be having to come from behind they were always having to rely on a big play from the defense whether it was a Devon Bush fumble recovery at TJ Wad forced fumble. MINKA. His Patrick interception it doesn't matter what it was. They always had the dank on that and so he said, what's it like you know the question was, what's it like being to play with the lead? Tomlin's answer was great and it's what got me thinking about this segment for the show he said when you play with a lead. It allows you to be to remain. Offensively That nothing is going to dictate what you do. Likewise this has an equal effect on the defense meaning if a to score lead in the second, half an offense is more likely to press than they are to just stick with the game plan. Think back to week five the. Philadelphia Eagles did probably did not want to throw as much they did in the second half. But when you're trailing by ten or more points, you feel like you have to to get back in the game. Now there are those occasions I, e week three against the Houston Texans when they just kept on trying to run the football and they had zero success in they everyone is. Like Holy Cow Shawn Watson just carved up the secondary in the first half, and they completely got away from it in the second half and I think that lead was a large reason that led to their demise in we three. But he's talked about balance how doing these things getting lead a plane with a lead in being able to run the football think back to week five again. Time of possession the steelers dominated time possession because they took long methodical drives mixing in the Ron Mixing in the past converting on third down, they did a great job on third downs against the Eagles and league five at Heinz. Field That gave the defense arrest, but it also really put pressure on the opposition. East always say you play Peyton manning play Tom Brady. Your best defense is to keep them off the field offense having long time consuming drives that end in points mainly end in touchdowns in the steelers did just that they've done that all season in it's not a fluke that they are for. No, and that's a large part of it but look at these numbers four games now mind you this isn't perfect sense. If three hundred Three hundred plays you cannot expect one fifty to one fifty in terms of run pass they've rushed the ball one, hundred and twenty two times so far in two thousand and twenty in they've thrown the ball one, hundred and forty three holy cow folks. That's about as balance is you're going to get in today's modern day NFL. I'm not joking you probably will not find better balance and anywhere there might be a team like Seattle that has good balance to but my gosh, the Pittsburgh steelers. They finally give me what I've always asked for. They finally have given me a balanced offense and it's nice. It is nice. The steelers are averaging over one hundred, thirty yards on the ground. That's enough that they weren't even close to a hundred yards last year. A large reason was because defenders knew that they didn't have a quarterback that could throw the ball downfield. So they're going to load up the box and they're going to stop the run with. Rothlisberger. Under Center. That's not the case they have to respect the pass. They can't load the box in the steelers offensive line believe it or not is doing a pretty good job as rogue raiders. Got Some injuries David Decastro up not sure if he's GonNa play this week, pouncey left the foot. They think he'll be back this week Matt filer seems to be getting acclimated. A guard tooks a core for is doing a good job right tackle no one's mentioned our hundred Illinois wave, his name. Reasonably now, that could change changes week against Myles Garrett. But I'll tell you what Villanova when you're not talking about your left tackle. They're doing something right? Dog I'm going to say that's all I'm GonNa, say you're doing something right and they've only given up six acts on the entire season so that offensive line has been impressive. At balance if that, they finally got some balance so Kudos the offense for finally given me my wish. Let's see if they can keep that up. It'd be great to see. Lasting I WANNA talk about tonight fans is something that's pretty close to me. and. It's something that Brian Anthony Davis and Tony talked about a little bit on the steelers hangover show. which aired on Monday but you can hear it on our podcast platform Tuesday at noon I. Highly recommend you check out part one and part two of those podcast bid. I wanted to talk about this, but I didn't want to do on Monday size like the perforated yet. In case you didn't know I wrote this article for behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com is about the end the last week it was reported that ton Shokhin, former player current broadcaster. He does work with steelers dot com he does the the I. Think it's called the tonsure straighter or Something like that where he actually breaks down, plays been on the air with they way back since Myron Cope and bill hillgrove he is a staple of the Pittsburgh steelers organization. He was not a part of those seventies teams. He was a large part of the eighties and eighties was kind of like the lost era of the steelers because they didn't have a ton of success they were off. was. A tough teams go back and look. But ton shokhin was diagnosed with AOL s, and if you don't know what else else is, it's also Lou Gehrig's disease and personally. is about five years ago five years ago this past April. one of my best friends lost his battle with S. And I was talking to my wife when the news broke excuse me about ten joking and I said you know how this reminds me a lot of my buddy Chris who was huge steeler fan and I remember taking him to Heinz Field in his last year. When he was in a wheelchair and we were there for the Cincinnati Bengals game on Sunday night football if you remember that game was. shoot, two, thousand, and thirteen. Year, they started own. he we went in the later sees now is when Terence Garvin broke the punters jaw of the Cincinnati Bengals steelers jumped out to lead end up winning that game. It was freezing cold by the way they were giving away hot chocolate Heinz field because it was so cold but. It reminded me a lot of my buddy because I I watched I watched on Shokhin's interview. that. He did show can is a godly man. He's a very godly man and he's a God fearing man and that's a good thing if you don't know that. And if you hear the way that I end every show, I say, God bless obviously. I'm a believer as well. But the one thing that's tough about this disease. Is that you hear people say all the time and you hear I heard Brian Anything Davis and Tony Deaf ears eight on Monday night. Here on chill can save himself. We're GONNA fight this thing. There is no fighting this thing. You WanNa live the best life you can y you can. In, sadly, you have a professional athlete. That's just going to slowly start to lose control of his body. It is. The most sickening thing. If you've ever witnessed it happened anyone. That you can ever probably imagine. People talk about cancer diagnosis and they were in a fight this we're going to fight over and beat it. You don't be less. And we all did the ice bucket challenge is about five years ago and that was great and the the money raised actually his lead to some groundbreaking research. But it's not a cure. It's not a cure and I feel for the the Elkin family. His kids if your grandkids yet. What they're about to embark on is is tough. It's tough. And I pray I'm praying for him. Praying for his family, and if you're pray if you're a prayerful person that's listening to this podcast. Do the same please. End The show. Hope you enjoyed it I'm glad you listened I appreciate all of you for the time you spent with me. Monday. Wednesday. Friday on this, let's ride podcast all of our. Is. It read binding steel curtain dot. com. Fuel for that failing man pray hard. Until next. Time folks. Be, safe became. Plus? Burden. On.

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Steelers Stat Geek: Is Ben Roethlisberger still the biggest passing threat in the AFC North?

Behind the Steel Curtain

43:50 min | 6 months ago

Steelers Stat Geek: Is Ben Roethlisberger still the biggest passing threat in the AFC North?

"Pittsburgh and welcome back to another episode of steeler Stack Eke. This is behind the steel curtain. Deputy editor Dave scofield coming at you once again live on a Tuesday night with my most favorite is person to speak to my big brother. How's it going bro? Your most favorite is person to speak to yes. I talked to my wife. Both my phone most favorite is brother to talk to you. You're the best brother I ever had. Yep so how's it going? How holding up Tired of this. Yeah I would not have half an inch of snow on the ground now. O- not only am. I stuck inside at home working all the time. I want to go outside and new things. They're gonNA have an interest on the ground the debt. That's funny tired of this. At least to get warm so I can go fishing or something. So you know my My my apple blossoms were out today. What a difference. One hundred miles makes so. Wow so it's funny because I actually saw mouth. We're anywhere close to this. I actually saw it was because on. Twitter T. J. Watt like the video by his brother. J. J. Watt who was in Wisconsin and he was outside. He was wearing a sweatshirt. He's like people it snowing sideways here in Wisconsin and you can see the snow landed on him. But I guess that's how it is in some places it was a little bit chillier here today but it got above fifty here and you have a half an inch of snow so we WANNA ground. I've been able to tell since it got dark if there's any more but that is that's ridiculous. It's raining here so of course it would be snowing up in the mountains. And that's that's pretty interesting. So yeah that's kind of a kind of disheartening. A little bit but although some people would say good football weather yeah good football weather but not in April not in April so That's interesting we got people. Check it in say it. How it's how it's our cold where they are There's Dennis he's coming in from California. I don't think I don't think he's the only snow right now. you're seventy four says just note? No no snow. It's just cold there in Providence Kentucky and everything and I just happy to be back talking about steelers. It's interesting because there's so much to be excited about. We're going to talk a little bit a little bit about draft stuff the next show. 'cause we will be doing both shows tonight so that's some stuff coming up with QNA But we're mainly going to keep that show a lot of QNA. Were mainly just going to ask. The question of people see what the live chat has to say and then just kind of turn it over there but for now. Let's see any kind of interesting news. It's funny because the the steelers signed to ex players this week one of them was player players to see their. You're talking too fast. Xfl F. L. players. Yeah I thought we saw that one of one of the next player in yeah probably about that signing is it was the first one that was reported from the xfl for by the steelers but yet it was the last one they announced so we didn't even. I got a hold of Jeff. Hartmann said to do this article again. This was two weeks ago. They announced it was going to happen. And they just now got around to making a fisheries. I now believe it so Steelers are still doing a few things. One was a was a wide receiver. Who WENT TO PENN STATE? So who had bounced around with some practice squads? He Played One game in two thousand eighteen but didn't have any didn't have any catches as a wide receiver. I can't remember the name right now but I'm sure some of the live chat. We'll probably remind me It's I think it starts with a K. But that's and that's that's interesting so that's pretty. Oh steeler fan seventy four brought up something else I was GonNa ask you about this Christian. Mccaffrey a new deal. Got SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS. A season over four seasons What are your thoughts on him? Resetting the running back market. If you know what I mean. He's not all right. We we thought. Well let's rephrase yes we thought but he really thought Labour on bell really thought that you know. He was a dual threat. Let's just watch that up. Left home got Christian. Might be a better receiver running back. I mean that that is the dual threat guy. So it when you're putting up over a thousand yards both Then we're talking about something. Yeah and what's what's crazy is couple years ago? I mean just think it was not last year not the year before the one before that I deal. If I recall the I would love you on bell it. That was forty two million for three years. So that was a fourteen million dollar per season on average deal. That was insulting and he didn't take it so someone who was to me that much better than him. Got that much more. Which when you think about it to our season when you're talking already double digit. Millions is some me. I'm glad that he did not sign that deal levy on bell. Because I don't think know that what McCaffrey's getting paid has also taken into account adding the seventeenth gang. Well that's not for this year but no gal was well. Here's it's interesting now because every every new contract now should have that verbiage in it and that was not something I didn't hear about the McCaffrey thing but I wasn't looking at it that closely. That's that's a really good question. Did they add the verbiage? They needed to add in order to account for that Seventeenth Game. Because if it doesn't have in it like all of the contracts signed before the new. Cba that you just get an extra paycheck of what your paycheck was for the season but now with now they know that that's coming. That's going to be part of the language that's in there. That's a good question something to look at going forward. Personally I would rather see. Maybe maybe we get a steeler that signs a new deal sometime. It would be nice to see. I mean some people want to see it. Some people don't but depre- long-term I would. I wouldn't mind to see that if it was less than what the salary cap numbers are. Let's recap what am I trying to say franchise tag number Most importantly I love to see a new contract contract extension for one cameron heyward if that goes into play and says I want to see if anyone reports on is there anything in his contract that specifically talks about that especially since I would assume that right now came hayward is now the player Rep for the NFL PA for the steelers because Ramon foster retired and he was the alternate so I assume he kind of stepped into that role. So That's interesting. I just found it interesting. Comparatively really glad the steelers didn't some people thought thought maybe bow was worth that much. I thought that was a little bit too much. But you also gotta look at it now that that the panthers aren't massively paying a quarterback as much as they had been let's just say. I don't think they signed Teddy Bridgewater for near what Ben Rothlisberger count against the CAP. I can't remember exactly what he signed for. So it's kind of interesting just to kind of see how it all plays out a little bit. But let's let's jump into this topic that we have for tonight because I find it very interesting. I did a series of articles of the last week and over the weekend that because I was given actually it was forwarded from Jeff Hartmann but they they let us know certain certain oddsmaker. Send US their odds for us to include in articles in the odds that we got was I started off with the odds for T. J. Watt to win defensive player of the year. He was at four to one odds tied with his brother. I found very interesting. So they were but they they four one one. Four two one. Where did that come from? Eleven to one art odds eleven to one odds They were just behind Aaron Donald Nick Bosa Donald was seventy one Bosa was nine to one. And then the watt brothers were eleven to one but what I found really interesting is when they went into odds for a quarterback to lead the league in passing now. I know that doesn't equate when you say when you take two players and you look at their odds to lead the League in passing if one of them has better odds than the other doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to have more yards than that person they're just saying the odds of being ahead of everybody else is better which you can kinda say that but but kind of not but I was really surprised. Not just where Ben Rothlisberger fell but where everyone else fell so for those of you. That didn't know I'm going to bring it up. Ben Rothlisberger Right now is currently forty two one to win the passing title remember. He wanted two years ago the last time he played a full season he led the League in passing so forty two one coming off of his injury which probably has a lot to do with it. But then I looked at just the AFC north. Who Do you think or? Did you read my Article? I don't know if you did or not. Bro I started to it. I did not just this one was on full. Go Up yeah but I ended up not reading it. The the question was who do you think had has the best chance to lead the League in passing according to the odds makers in the AFC North Dome just now eighty dollars not that far behind. Berger we'll talk about any dot and a little bit because that's that's pretty interesting. Actually so they actually give it to. Oh don't tell the Jackson because he's too much run. Not only did they give it to Jackson. They have Lamar Jackson. Act Ten to one to win the passing title. That is tied for sixth time. They had drew brees at five to one. Mahomes at six to one Rodgers Ryan and Brady at eight to one and then they had an. I thought both of these were funny tied at ten to One. Lamar Jackson Dak Prescott. Just I mean compared to Russell Wilson at sixteen to one you know especially when you think Dak Prescott is gonNA turn turn around. Hand the ball off the Zeke Elliott. So much numbers would. Here's what's crazy is of more runs the ball you know when you went to odds to win the rushing title. There was one player on the list who was not a running back. And that was Lamar Jackson. Okay he so. He made the list. I think it was like thirty seven or thirty eight players that they had listed for that for for rushing and he was on that list but ten to one to me. That's Vegas trying to get a sucker bet trying to get someone who say oh he won the MVP last year. Oh his team was the number one seed. Oh that's good bad. You know ten to one. We'll put it on here no way no way. I mean the numbers don't match up and we'll get to that in a second. He was at ten to one Baker Mayfield. They had had a better office. He was thirty three to one. You have to understand there. There's more than just the quarterback going into making these off. It's absolutely and that's why Baker Mayfield's head office burger as you look at the fact that he's got. Yeah it'll be Jay and and Landry Landry's throw the ball to They look at his receivers and that's why he gets a bump. Absolutely I understand that. Part of the reason ben down is because you know he's not throwing a ball ab anymore juju had an injury riddled bad year last year. And you guys are so young. They don't WanNa rank on them. So you know I like I like that. He has to good receiving alternatives at the tight end position. That's going to help with all that but just got me thinking when I compared how the odds for them to win the passing title to me with Ben Rothlisberger that that is less about how many yards. He's GonNa Throw Four. And is he going to be able to play? Play right away and play used to play. That's to me that forty to one. That's all that's about because when you really I mean let's put these guys in order in the AFC North let's review. Let's review. Let's have a history lesson let's look at last year last year. Leading the AFC. North and passing was Baker Mayfield. Eager `field three thousand eight hundred twenty seven yards second place in the. Afc North was probably Jackson because he played enough games. Try Andy Dalton. Are you getting benched for three games? Remember accident play the last game of the season. But still he still wasn't close enough that he was gonNA catch him. Andy Dalton was was six yards shy of thirty five hundred yards. He was three thousand four hundred ninety four yards last year. Then it was Jackson at three thousand one hundred and twenty seven yards. Okay Ben Rothlisberger. In two thousand eighteen had five thousand one hundred twenty nine yards so he had two thousand and two yards more in two thousand eighteen then what Jackson the MVP had twenty nineteen now the reason he was VP's because of all the other things he was doing with the running everything else. He threw a ton of touchdowns he just didn't have the arts. So you look at that and you think come. What are they GONNA do honestly? I'm not shocked if Jackson is fourth this year and I still don't know who's thrown for Cincinnati because everyone thinks it's assumes it's going to be Joe Borough the borough wants to go to Cincinnati West talked about that whereas in the live chat he he a special guest bottle with Brian last night. I was supposed to be on that show as well but I told Brian I couldn't couldn't start to. My wife was off work and he started to soon so I wasn't able to jump on so I kind of missed meeting West via video. That would but but he brought up the whole notion of he doesn't have the Joe. Joe Boroughs really wants to go to Cincinnati. Either what's going on there and here's the other interesting thing about. Cincinnati is still the Andy Dalton fact. Everyone's I call with Andy Dalton any Dalton's set to make the last I looked. I'm pretty sure that any set to make seventy million dollars this season. It's his last year. Not only that. I'm pretty sure there's not dead money with it. I think it's just a flat up. Seventeen million dollars. I often away. He goes but they haven't done it yet. They haven't done it yet because of the draft and people are like. Oh well there's no harm in just waiting to after the draft to see if you get everything for everything lines up. Maybe someone gives you deal bits two too good to be true and you have to you. Decide to go trade back out of that pick and then you can go with other things and thinking dolphins dumbs. GonNa be alright if we get him some weapons but the other thing you have to go there w have to go through. There is okay. You draft You Know Old Joe. Yeah and You can't sign yeah forces where he pulls the hand. Yeah Yeah. One of those deals absolutely. Yeah that's what West saying he. He's I'm pretty sure it was west of brought that up There were saying that. Not sure that it's not that's not completely out of the picture so that's one thing. Yes but it's mark they're hol they're holding. Dalton he's the he's the insurance policy for what they have what they want to have gone. But here's the here's the chance they're taking okay? Let's say they decide they're just gonNA cut him after the draft. They moved up the date for the compensatory formula. Cut Off to the Monday after the draft. No one's going to sign him before that date that means he if he signs a contract somewhere. The bengals aren't GonNa have him to to enter into the compensatory formula and the chemo signs. I don't think they care but not only that the team that signs him. It's not gonNA hurt him. So that's another thing that you gotta think about right. But I don't think Cincinnati had away. What would they rather have rather have shot at that cop pick or do they need the insurance policy? Don't right now but the bigger the bigger need there is that insurance policy of any Dalton if they end up with nothing for than happy because everything will have worked out the way they really wanted to I west. West confirmed I was right. I was like I was given wes credit for stuff. And I'm like wait a second. I don't think that was Tony. Said I'm pretty sure it was west. So it's good to know that I was right so I know you wouldn't get Brian Credit for anything so Brian. Seib like he was he was just trying to. That was interesting. Watching those guys draft people. I think Bryan made some crazy pics. Then then at the end I said who I thought the steelers would take. That was left and Brian accused me of trying to pick someone that that Tony drafted but here Tony drafted. Aj terrel for some for a team. And I said Tara Lewis and Brian just assumed he was gone But anyway that that's a whole different story. Yeah but so so. I'm not one hundred percent sure. That job is going to be the quarterback for the for the for the bengals. I would say if I had to bet that's who I would say but I don't think it's set in stone until even if he is he's not GonNa lead the AFC north and passing exactly exactly but the question would be if that's someone that will Jackson with Roy Moore yards for. So which which I think. So bottom line is if you took Baker both Baker Mayfield and Lamar. Jackson had their most passing yards in their career last season. Which makes sense because it was there. It was their second year in the League and they had more than the although which was funny. Mayfield only had just over one hundred yards more last year than he did his rookie year and his rookie year. He played three games so it was a little bit down for him last year but neither one thousand yards Jackson was like I said not much over three thousand yards Ben. Rothlisberger has six seasons of where he's thrown over four thousand dollars. Andy Dalton has to but what so my thing is you have an order for Ben Rothlisberger to not lead the AFC north and passing yards this year. He would have to either a miss multiple games much like last year. Or Or. Even you know he'd he'd have he'd have to miss at least four games or more. In my opinion I think he could even do playing fifteen games if he if he does well with US. Fifteen but the other the other option is if he's even average. Ben Average over his career. Ben He still has a great chance to do that now. Leading the division and yards passing isn't the ultimate goal. That's not what guys are shooting for. You know so you have to remember this. Part of the reason Jackson has less numbers is because he doesn't have to put them up. I mean Ben Roethlisberger if you're if you were to look at his passing yards over his career which I just so happen to have appear in front of me. Oh Yeah Obviously the the year which he threw for the fewest passing yards was last season when he only had three hundred and fifty. Love the game. If if you go that then. The next few was one of those seasons where he only played twelve gangs. He didn't even get to twenty five hundred passing yards but that was two thousand and five what what happened in two thousand five season to death along. Come here have been what I for dinner yesterday. How about the steelers won the Super Bowl? We say you're like wait a second. You're saying what happened in a five. Okay first of all what. I'm trying to remember that. Point in time is two thousand five. Where was I live in two thousand and yeah remember they want in two? It was played in two thousand six but it was the two thousand five hundred that throws that always. That always gets me. That always gets me. Oh side note saul video on twitter yesterday. Maybe really reminisce of sitting. You're sitting in your living room watching the Tennessee. Titans come up one yard short this. You're watching that super bowl together. Do you remember the name of the player that made the tackle hold on inside linebacker? Yes once they wore fifty one. You might be right with the number much. Could see the number. I'm just trying to remember. Was it it was a Mike Brown. Yeah not a guy would ever think that would make that play named it? Didn't stand out but if you saw that you're like Oh may WanNa throw it so short. It looked for sure like he had the ankle to get in there with an inside linebacker on him and he just made a great play. That's to me. That's that's I love Ben Rothlisberger tackle Against the colts in the play offs in that in that two thousand five season but to me. That's the best tackled a super bowl because of of what it meant to what happened but anyway that was good reminiscing. Ben ROTHLISBERGER YARDS IN K. The three times the steelers made the Super Bowl. That's three she can count. That's three of his bottoms yards for this in two thousand eight now. Two thousand ten was another year. You only played twelve game so that was also down. Twelve Games. Play through for thirty two hundred yards. But but my thing is sometimes when you're having a successful season it doesn't always mean that you are throwing darts. It really depends on how the Games play out. How are you winning your games? Are you winning a lot of games with last second field? Goals like they were in two thousand seventeen correct cups of the arts. So so there's that but I'm just saying. Even if ben comes back and has an average year just an average Ben Rothlisberger Year in two thousand twenty. He's going to throw for more yards than what Jackson three or four and two thousand nineteen is the. Mvp You know so. I still think you go into week one next season. And you know we all we all know. We're just a similar going into week. One next season you look at your another team. Let's say you're let's say you are the start the NFC east who is having to play the AFC north this year. If you're if you've got a couple north matchups let's say you have one week two and week four. You're going into week. One go into that week one game. If you're going to be scouting look other stuff. Which quarterback scares you? The most through the Air India was Burger until he comes back and shows that he's not going to play that way teams are going to have to assume that. Ben Is still the man through the air in the AFC north of that's his title. That's who he is until he. I mean let's just say I don't think these other guys are good enough to knock him off. It's going to be more about Ben than it is about the other guys yet. If if you're a team in the NFC and you that we to game in your in your feeling like you're weak on the back end you're worried about having to play right off a spur now if you're talking about too you don't WanNa have to gain planned for early on. I'm sorry yes it is. I don't I still don't think Baker Mayfield is instilling. Fear anyone to go in starting the two thousand twenty season but I would say Lamar Jackson is but it's not because of his pure deep passing game. Exactly yes he is. He is the bigger threat. But now I'm talking about strictly from passing standpoint right is the passing of chili gets yards through the air. It's still Ben Rothlisberger. Yeah Yes yes so. I find this interesting. They they forty to one odds man. If the if the gaming establishment would happen to be open across the river Beef between now and when the season starts. If that's still the line and I can go through that one. Third Twenty Bucks. I put down a Jackson on that. I would definitely do that because last year. I threw twenty bucks on the steelers to win the Super Bowl at twenty to one odds. But do you know? They ended up as low as like eighty to one. I could've got at one point but I just did it for fun last year. Just just to do it. I mean basically I go over. Make sure I finished up twenty bucks because I kind of know what I'm doing when it comes to playing blackjack and then I'll take what I went and put it on a sports game because it's fun so these kind of turned to drop that twenty bucks on Rothlisburger forty two one at forty two one. Yeah so I'm gonNA bring this up. I haven't been paying attention to live chat not at all but I did see this on the top of my screen right now as I looked at it which was W H H. That says unless Ben Falls off a chair you know which are motorcycle ride without a helmet. yet see and that's kind of stuff that we were dealing with Early in the career. But that's that's I think he is the passing King of North until he can't do it anymore because I still don't see for this year. I don't see one of those guys putting up. I don't see any. There's guys putting up top Ben Rothlisberger numbers. It's not like someone else is going to come in. I see right now and throw for five thousand yards like Ben Rothlisberger did in two thousand eighteen now. Granted what Ben Roethlisberger happened to throw for five thousand yards. But I also don't see anyone else showing that they're going to do but a form those guys even his four thousand yard you'll look at it and say. Oh my gosh. What a season they had absolutely i. That would be a great season for for any other quarterback in the north four thousand yards. I would say Kudos man. They had a good year. That'd be good for it would be good for rothlisberger coming off injury to but wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised to know that. Yes like if you had to bet money on on which quarterback in the AFC north would hit four thousand yards next year. This coming it's definitely on Ben. Rothlisberger is not going to be four to one four to one odds he'd be more like at wonderful odds. You wouldn't even get money on him. I think it's I think it's that much but you know he's got enough looking over career to look at to say you know He. We know he can do it because he's done. Yeah nobody else in. It really has so absolutely absolutely but the other thing that also comes into play with this I was going to mention. This is a lot of times. You're thrown for a lot of yards. You're not getting the most yards on the ground now. It's just kind of just a peek at it a little bit. What about the running backs from the north running back from the north you have Mark Ingram? You have nick job. You Have Joe Mixing you have James Connor. Those were the guys when they were doing yards. Those were those were the guys for those teams as being their main guys. If you had to put those in order of your confidence how where would connor fall there? I have an idea where I would put him confidence that on an ongoing yet him the most the most rushing yards running back in the in the AFC. Jimmy get the most running yards still be tempted growth with Mark Jackson. Yeah that's well that's true. I honestly it's funny because what we're GonNa came to the AFC north when it came to leading the League in Rushing Jackson was on it. He was behind connor because of course he's a he's not running back so that kind of makes sense but One of those guys was in the top three. Really one of those guys was in the top three man. It was number three with eight to one odds. Let's see the one in the in the in a lot of people that live chat were saying they'd have him last The anyone thought who would. Who would be the top Brad? Brad has its realist. Chuck Jobless at eight to one odds third third most third-highest have all running backs to diva wide receivers. Yeah I on. I understand but yet he assured you have do I but some people might yell. Yeah Oh gosh I said yeah but I wouldn't mind. Chubb was wearing a black golden. Yeah exactly yeah so like the guys. Good the I'm just not sure he's going to get that in. I'm just not sure that he's should be getting that good at odds partly because of where not even so much as where he plays but yes. He's playing in Cleveland. But also I just can't get over the to the to diva wide receivers being happy. If job is leading the League in rushing unless Cleveland's undefeated absolutely I know exactly what you mean because there's just so much to go around but I as you were saying that I had an idea strike me and it also goes back to the Lamar Jackson thing and I'm really curious what other people think about this as well. How much does fantasy football factor into these audits players are high on these on? These people are hiring these names because these players put up amazing fantasy football numbers but it doesn't mean that they were the numbers that were good enough to lead the league in the stats. You know what I mean. 'cause I mean Chubb was a beast fantasy football. Does that mean that he's going to be in a situation to get the yards the lead the League? I don't know that's that's tricky. But Chubb Loot Sixty one next believe it or not was mixing at Sixteen to one and then Ingram at eighteen to one and then connor at twenty to one so they have him with the longest odds to win but a lot of that once again has to go into his now up so when I when when land was asking me about what the show is about tonight and he said something about also. The running back comes into play He said out of those four players he would put Connor. Thir- healthy James Connor third. He would put him behind job and ingram but ahead of Nixon. I think Mixon's a great back. I think mixing in the worst situation because they don't have enough that's why in Cincinnati so he's I think he's a good back but he's not a good situation there. Forget to jump back. We did have a super chat from Alfred. I'm going to try to to butcher. That one last name he he throws a dollar ninety nine of the tip jar for those of you. That don't know what that is. The Super Chat Feature. You can type in something. Ask a question like that. Hit the dollar sign. Donate any amount of money you want to the show. We put it in the tip jar and will make sure we bring up your question. He says knee draft capital next year to trade up for Lawrence. People get so enamored by the guy that's going to be out in the following drafts and I want to remind you of something I want to remind you. I wish I could even bring up the year. There was a year in which quarterback was possibly going to go first overall possibly go first overall and he chose to go back to college and the first overall pick when he finished up the next year. Where did he go? Third round? Matt Barkley He was going to be a top ten pick possibly top five big. Maybe even first overall decided to go back to college and ended up taking the third round the next year. Now I know. Trevor Lawrence's looked great since he was a freshman in and stuff. But you know what to was the consensus by far number one. Pick at this time last year for this coming draft. The question is is he gonNA fall as he gonNA fall. You just don't know that it's going to work out but everyone so convinced that that's what's going to be. I'm not I'm not saying it's not going to be. I'm not saying I just think it's not guaranteed that he's gonNA giant next year too early to be looking at next year and and honestly. I don't like trading up for a quarterback. I don't like because if you're going to have a young quarterback unietd also have stuff around them and I don't. I don't think the steelers are worried about two thousand twenty one. They haven't made any of their moves this year. With two thousand where? It looks like they are worried about two thousand twenty one and what? They're going to do there so I don't think the last thing on their mind right now is getting more draft capital for that year other than the fact that they are lined up to get at least two if not three complex. Which could be helpful. But I married everyone at stole or back. I'm not did you read Tony Article? Which one about the draft about draft stuff? He was talking about actor but he was a kid. And the and when he got into the steelers drafts. And I'm trying to remember because a lot of times Tony's articles are in. There are ready to be brought up. He gets so far ahead that we jeff gets behind with publishing and I'll read them days before they come out sometimes. I'm not always sure which one you're talking about working. He thought the steelers. We're GONNA draft running back then. It was That year I'm trying to remember. The articles has renewed bay. We ended up drafting a defensive. End that he'd never heard of and you only talked to the guy played. We went all that great this and that he said but you said you forget the steelers ended up doing things like you know the very following year in the draft Carnell Lake. And you know where you're like all excited about the guy we pick it in the first round but it's the guy we pick in the second or third round ends up being yep of thirteen fourteen year player eight time pro bowler you so. Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I'm you know what we're going to focus on the next show being all about draft stuff. We're going to. We have a question that we're going to start asking about draft and we're going to turn it over to the QNA we let you all. Ask Questions we'll let you make statements all these things. So you've gotTa make sure we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA finish this one up here and you've got to make sure that you have your notification ready. We'll be not even five minutes on Youtube and we'll be back in order to talk all kinds of draft stuff. I know people have been talking about the live chat. I wish you could go back and read it all now but I'm GONNA try. Just make sure we get into it with the next show. Is there anything else you WANNA talk about here? You want to stop anything about the passing rushing. Afc North stuff or do you. Are you ready to get on and let and do some interacting with with the latch? I wouldn't even imagine. Afc North at that. A lot of the coaches even at a guy wearing purple down east here would probably be the first to admit that Ben is the king and until Ben is no longer the kick. Yes they I mean. I think everyone knows it that Benz the man until Ben you know it's kind of like in the AFC East until he chose to leave and go to the NFC it wasn't even just the AFC east. He was the King of the AFC. Number twelve was right. He was king the NFC until he decided to go to Tampa right so that was his. That was his title. I mean even with another quarterback winning the Super Bowl this year. I'm sorry. Tb twelve was still still the king but now it's a whole different story so I says Hey Alfred was going to address Alfred. Just hang hang out on the page for a little bit because we'll just be a couple of minutes and you'll see the next show pop right up. Go to youtube go to channel. You don't even have to wait. For the notification there are people that get on the live chat because they know the show was coming. And they're in the live chat before we even hit go live which is when the the notifications go out so you can already be there. If you're on the channel just refresh the page until the new show show shows up which will be just a few minutes after this one ends. So I'm excited about this about the next one. I just have have an interesting question that we're going to start off with and we're going to open it up to the live chat and to both answer it and then going of things so. I think we have a general consensus. Ben Is the man Ben. Until Ben is no longer the man and it's going to be more about Ben and less about the other guys at least for this year at least for this year until they really show that they're going to. They're no one's going into twenty twenty thinking that that they're going to throw more for more yards than Rothlisberger in north but like I said Jackson's a whole different monster that he's a whole different thing to game plan around so a lot of fun so I. 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Steelers Stat Geek: What can we expect from the Steelers with Mason Rudolph and Minkah Fitzpatrick?

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Steelers Stat Geek: What can we expect from the Steelers with Mason Rudolph and Minkah Fitzpatrick?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior fan or fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler Stat Geek. This is Dave Scofield of behind on steel curtain coming to you with some numbers from steelers stuff in this past week and looking for what's coming up so here we league oh boy. It's been a crazy couple days for steeler fans. It's been absolutely insane when it comes is to bind the steel curtain dot Com and trying to figure out everything that's going on there but I could see already got some people coming in seeing that we're we're here live on Youtube. If you're not ever able to join us we go on generally sometime between nine o'clock at nine fifteen pm every Tuesday and we're in here. I already see people in the live chat talking about the trade talking about the injuries talking about everything else going on just to let you know we're going to do a little bit of talking then. I'M GONNA turn and look at the live chat and see what people have to say there. When it comes to some numbers or other things then we will come back and talked about this coming week so let's talk about the week that was. There's several things talk about so we'll earn off. We'll talk about the game. Let's talk about the game from Sunday. A was the twenty eight twenty six defeat to the Seattle seahawks hawks. It was the first time the NFC West has won a game in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin coach but there was a lot of things that happen in there it was a tale of two halves because the first half was Ben Rothlisberger quarterback second-half. Mason Rudolph is the quarterback unfortunately as we all know now that Ben Rothlisberger has been placed on the injured reserve list. He will be undergoing surgery sometime on his elbow on his right right elbow it was it was reported that it is not Tommy John Surgery. I thought it might be Tommy John Surgery. That's exactly what I said. I thought it was when I was watching the Game Brian Anthony Davis. I said that's not good with his elbow. That could even be a Tommy John's situation and they're saying WHOA WHOA hold hold on and I'm like I it. Just it just didn't look good. I just didn't like how how it sounded didn't sound like tendinitis or something else so I don't know about you all aw I got a little bit nervous yet excited when it came time for Mason Rudolph to commit. I really wanted to know what he could do. in a regular she's setting and I'd give him. I'd odd give him a grade of a you know a beer be plus for coming in and doing what he did but I wanna talk about something from the game. A number that stood out for me is looking at the quarterback play from the first half to the second half. There was a little bit something different and it's also going to lead into what we want to talk about not with this week and that is how well we're the steelers able to disguise what they were doing on offense when. Ben Roethlisberger was playing versus when when Mason Rudolph was playing some of this numbers and some of this feel. I don't know what you all think so but I feel that when Ben Rothlisberger Burger was in the game you kind of had a pretty good idea what they were doing every every play not only us as fans but if you were to look at their personnel and their formation Russian I believe that the defence knew what they were trying to do and it's kind of almost been that philosophy of we're GonNa do do we want to do and we think we're good enough that we can do it. No matter what you do so you just try to stop it. We don't have to. We don't have to try to disguise anything. It's it's kind of feels like that's been the mentality for the past couple of years with the steelers offense now at the second half then we start to get into hey. Let's change things up a a little bit Brian Anthony Davis said Hey it looks like randy. Figures actually offensive coordinator. He's the one calling the place. I'd love the flea flicker play I one hundred percent. Call the touchdown play as soon as they got the ball where they did. After the after the Devon Bush fumble recovery almost most return for a touchdown Brian was saying oh we got out and said no very I play run a play action pass Vance McDonald for the touchdown. He's like yeah right. He's like I'll take it though boom it was but I kinda we're GonNa talk about the play action. Pass a little bit when we talk about coming up but I wanNA talk about disguising things even with your formation because I did some breaking down some numbers of what the steelers do when they're in shotgun versus when they're under center. No I already talked about this a little bit in my analyzing the loss by the numbers article that came out on Monday so if any of you would check that out you kind of know we're going to be going with this a little bit but this takes a little bit more when the steelers are in shotgun pass the majority of time it didn't matter if it was Ben Rothlisberger or Mason Action Rudolph when they were in shotgun which they weren't shotgun more often than being under center. They passed over eighty percent of the time. It was almost identical between the two I think I think I think they were almost the same number plays. Let me check and see yes. Rudolph ran eighteen place from the shotgun. Ben Rothlisberger ran seventeen plays from shotgun. Both of them handed the ball off for a run three different times so there was that so so they the steelers were running. Don't run very much out of shotgun but they actually run just as much outta shotgun is they do understand her things. Don't go understand it very much so under center when Rothlisberger was under center he was under center seventh-place. Ma Ran it six times so that's eighty six percent of the time when Ben Rothlisberger Lineup under center. It's a run. It's probably even higher than that if you go just beyond his game that that Ben does not like to throw the ball from under center. I don't know if he's not comfortable with the drawback. I don't know if he's not comfortable. We'll talk about another aspect of that. When we get to play action I don't know but but Ben Rhodes. I don't know if he dislikes being able to. He feels like East sees the feel better 'cause 'cause he's already. He doesn't have to turn as much for the for the seven seven step drops or whatever they're doing but one. Mason Rudolph was in the game and he was under center if you include the two point conversion play what she was under center fifty percent of the time they ran fifty percent shot at the time they passed what other touchdowns was was a pass from under center so it wasn't just hey we're under center get ready. We're going to run the ball. Oh and hey weren't shotgun. Get Ready. We're GONNA pass the ball. It seemed like there was a little bit of changing up so those were some of the numbers in the past week that stood out to me was the percentage of plays of run versus pass versus shotgun and under center now we can go back and look at other things throughout certain things. I've a- positive was the four sacks acts in the first half but what the killer was zero sacks in the second half of the steelers defense. I'M GONNA go ahead and take a look at the live chat how and see if there's anyone who wants to throw out any numbers from this from this past week that they would like to talk about from the game and see if anyone says that while we do that we'll go ahead and talk about some of the some of the situations going on with the with the two players going going on. I R and and the broth removed from there obviously Ben Rothlisberger went on I r Monday with the elbow injury then we had Sean Davis was placed in Iowa today after the trade last night from Inca Fitzpatrick the steelers also promoted Devon Hodges to the practice squad to be the backup for this week and then they signed Paxton Lynch to the practice squad even the reason they brought him because he's he was still practice squad eligible and they can put him on the practice squad and not have to carry three fifty three so we're GonNa talk about the trade trade justice in just a minute Ryan Kellerman. He brings up the he brings up the four sacks. That was an improvement. I was upset that they couldn't get to them. In the second half. I thought what there was going to be a big sack day for the steelers but they just couldn't get home in the second half. I guess the counter adjustments aren't done quite well. Because I guess the seahawks adjusted. The steelers did not counter adjust quite well enough to get home. It might have also been. I did not go back and time any snaps APPs. I didn't get the game I didn't get the record the game go back and watch it because I didn't have a game in my area so I'm still waiting for it to hopefully show up as a replay on NFL NFL network. If anyone knows when that's scheduled let me know that way. I can go down and breaks more place here. We go so Ryan's it out. Dennis had one hundred percent confidence. It's in Mason. I liked that one. That's a pretty good one so someone asked about it was it was what was the two teams third down conversion rate. I looked at it was low. Both of them were under fifty percent. It was like a four for a four out of whatever and three out whatever I can't remember exactly what it was. Lance China and this is something we talked about earlier today. steelers are passed to run ratio uh-huh. Eighty twenty. I have a feeling that's going to change coming up so and so we'll go here we go about. Here's a good number from Brandon two turnovers on defense offense. I'm going to bring up another one that we're GONNA talk about here in a second. Just check to make sure that we don't have any numbers floating out there rather than do that. I'm going to come back to this question because I definitely want to do this. here we got. Were you shocked by the trade yesterday. Let's talk about the trade a little a bit we'll just figure. I'm not going to be monitoring the live chat here for a little bit just because I I want to be able to to focus on you all and be able to get my thoughts together clearly and and that is this the steelers were supposedly in the running as being interested in fitzpatrick over the weekend before they played on Sunday. That was very interesting so I threw something out there to Jeff Hartman to put in his article about hey. What would it take for. This trade report at the time was that they wanted a second round pick. Maybe they would settle for a third. I didn't see the steelers really breaking the bank to go. Get them to go get him. steelers don't have a third round pick this year because I'm trying to remember because that was that was already. traded away in order to move up to get. Devon Bush this year so they don't have a third round pick so I see I even through together. Hey if you got to give up your second maybe you can give up your second in your fourth and get their third or something like that. That would be good but then as things heated up other teams came in and it seemed like it was more likely it was going to take a one one. I thought with especially with Rothlisberger injury like I even had a message with Jeff Hartmann said I think this kind of you know squashes ashes fitzpatrick talkies while probably that was probably more from a new standpoint. I didn't know that meant they wouldn't really do it. Then it came out that they did it and they gave up next year's first round pick to do it now. There was more to the trade as well in next year. They also move up. Someone's got to go got to go. Get it because I'm because I'm probably GONNA messed up. I'm pretty sure they moved up. They gave up their fifth to move up to the fourth fourth or do they give up their six to move up to fifth. They swapped back to back rounds. Were the steelers moved up one and the dolphins back onto. They'll gain an extra. One of the higher hire believes the one that's lower and then they did it in the opposite direction with the sixth and seventh round pick the following year where the steelers will give up their sixth round round pick but gain the seventh round pick in twenty twenty one but they gave up their first round pick next year okay here. We go. Thank you very much. We got two different people. Tell me Ali. We says it was the gave up the fifth to fourth. That's what I thought getting back with. Both said that Caleb came in and got it. You guys are on it. Here's a good question this was and I had the same question from steeler fan. Seventy four is the fifth round pick gave up to them. Adopt pick. I'm going to say I think they would've said that if it would have been but I think it will. I heard that it was the steelers pick but it could be people. Just really didn't know came so so that was that I'm going to take this trade and take a little bit of time and I'm GonNa put it in perspective effective. I'm going to kind of put it in a little bit of a numbers perspective so bear with me. I'm going to sound like a ESPN thirty for thirty and it was Let's say what if I told you okay what if I told you that this year in the draft for the steelers to trade up to get Devon Bush they wouldn't have had to give up this year second round pick and they wouldn't had to give up this next year third heard round pick but instead they had to give up next year's first round pick. Would you have made the move up to Devin Bush by giving up next year first round pick. That's just a question to think about rather than giving up the second and the third that's tricky Ricki. I don't know I honestly probably what if I told you that to move up to get Devon Bush this year. You didn't give up next year's first round. Pick you gave up the following year's first round pick so you moved up twenty nineteen to get. Devon Bushes should ten and you gave up twenty twenty one first round pick with an epic first week of football behind us. Dr King's the leader in one day fantasy ESI football is upping the ante with another huge contest heading into the second week of NFL matchups. Draft Kings is giving new users a free shot at over one one point five million dollars in prizes when you sign up with the code SB nation and make your first deposit for free shot at one point five million eternal bragging rights just download the draftkings APP use the code SB nation draft your players and feel the sweat like never before already a draftkings user. You can get in on the action to for a limited time. Both new and existing users can get a deposit bonus of up to five hundred dollars so download the draftkings APP now and use the code espy nation nation to get a free shot at over one and a half million dollars in prizes with your first deposit again. That's code SB nation. Only a draft kings minimum five dollar deposit. Pause Required Deposit Bonus requires twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. What if I told you you made that trade and didn't have to give up your own first round pick in two thousand nineteen. Imagine uh-huh steelers moved up to get Devon Bush still had their first round pick at twenty and all it costs them was their first round pick two years from now and let's say there are a couple of low end stuff like oh they even gained a fourth by giving up a fifth but lost six by by by by by getting a seventh. What if I told you that's what they needed to do to get Devon Bush Josh. That's what the steelers just did but they did it two years ago to now they in essence traded up the the eleventh pick overall still got to make their picket. I'm pretty sure it was twenty four twenty four. Wherever they took edmonds they moved up to get that pick by giving up their first round pick two years from now. You're saying but wait a second he didn't he didn't play for us right away. True now imagine Devin Bush. Why don't you want it now. Imagine we'll say next year's well. We'll say a future certain future. Pick delivered. It's too don't Wanna tie. Steeler steeler first round pick ended up having to go on. I R for the season and they didn't get him. They didn't get him to start the season but then they got up the next year. That's what you haven't fitzpatrick but even better than in that he's got a year of NFL experience under his belt to just not with your team. They still have him on the cheap for several years. They have the fifth veer option with him. They in essence traded up to the eleventh overall pick for a player without even giving up their first round pick. It just costs them. Their first draft picks pick two years from now if they would have done that on draft night and Fitzpatrick would have been hurt for a year and then joined the team this year. The steelers still would have been like holy cow. This is great. We got two first round picks now granted. We might not how to use the both of us safety which is funny but not only that I feel that fitzpatrick is more of a proven commodity. After his first year he had a good rookie year. He had two interceptions one of which return for a touchdown he picked off Tom Brady and Foxborough so when you kind of put that trade in that perspective. Does it make it feel a little bit different if you were trading strickly sleep picks to move up and get someone. Would you felt a little bit different some GonNa look in here at live chat and see if anyone wants to throw out what what they you know. If that makes you feel any better the way I laid it out for you that that that getting fitzpatrick when you think of it that way oh I did I did get a I'm going to bring this up now but I will say something about it and we did get a super chat question here five dollars in the tip jarred from Kathy Ford Kathy says at work you can't stay long look later for the good discussion will Michigan Cathy sorry. You can't join in for other I. I hope there wasn't another cheaper chat that before that 'cause I will be honest with you on the format that we have here. It doesn't in highlight the superjet questions like it did on Youtube. I try to keep track on my phone that I can go back and see them because they're highlighted. So if you see me look away from the screen that's why but but that's what sometimes we've been missing some of the super chat feature so questions. We're trying to get better making sure we see them. Since they're not highlighted. had some people that said Where was that Solid Goodwin here now. I lost it here. We go Ron says for me. Eight former first round picks on defense now. That's true there we go. We've got a lot of first rounders there because we've added. We've added people. That weren't our offer. Routers like Tyson Aloe like Joe Haden like a Minka Fitzpatrick so we'll see how that plays out but I'm hoping that when you all looked at it that that that that when I laid it out in that way with the numbers from a from a trade perspective from a draft perspective that it might make you feel a little bit a better I will be honest with you. I don't like I don't like that that the that the steelers dealers don't have a first round pick next year. I don't like it. You never want to go in and do that here. I want the throughout this comment here. Real quick from creative going. I'm just happy to Pittsburgh did what they had to do to stay. Competitive is good to know that the Rooney's are about winning no matter the cost lost this was yes. I completely agree. I just can't believe at the steelers. Were that aggressive. They're usually not like that but I'll take it. I know a lot a lot of the narrative out there on social media even on behind the curtain with some of the comments are all but the coaching staff will screw it up. You know what I'm ready on. I don't want to turn into Tony Tony. Tony is the best Tony but you know it. Eventually you gotta think think hey this is the team. This is the organization thinks people in here to do this right now. I've got to have faith that they can do it. Here's that's a good question. Say Well first of all. We started this out there. God say this for Lance he doesn't mind. He's your teacher. Twenty twenty first rounder and you know what you've got with him. Okay okay. I'm not even going to try to say that name because I'll screw it up if I could only take one between T. J. Watt Devon Devon Bush or or Minkah Fitzpatrick right now honestly out of that group. I'M GONNA take. TJ What that would just be me because I feel like he's shown what he can do with this team but Devin Bush has two games under under his belt. That's it Mika. Fitzpatrick has games under his belt. Miami nothing in Pittsburgh so we'll see but I knew some people would would want to get to talk about the trade so I wanted to give some time with that. I know some people hate it. Some people like it. I actually had to call my father this morning and say our dad. I was trying to catch him before he got up before you turn on the TV TV. Don't listen to what all these national media guys have to say about this trade and how they can't stand it. They are looking at it from a Ben Rothlisberger injury glasses perspective. They can't take off their Ben. Rothlisberger is out for the season glasses to view this trade. They think that it has everything to do with Rothlisberger. This didn't of anything with Rothlisberger. This was possible to happen before he got injured. This had everything to do with John. Davis getting injured and Sean Davis not being under contract next year so you bring in in here. You don't have to worry about the Sean Davis Situation Anymore. Okay I did get question here that said Hey. If we had a first round for next year would would I have my take. I will be honest with you. I don't have time to watch college football. It's on a Saturday. I'm trying to get stuff done. I try to follow and see what it is. I don't know WHO's out there. Ah I don't know exactly how that situation would play out with would be good for the steelers for next year anyway so I. I don't know we will that question will be answered best next April. Whenever Miami is either making that pick or trading that pick or someone else's take making that that pick next year and and who would be available that you can think about that one so I'm going to try to transition here now for me. I already brought up how someone used the super chat feature on here and I told you about STRUGGLEC in it. If you don't know what it is the super chat feature is where you can type in your question and my suggestions type in your question first because sometimes it bit a bit puts the money in and there's nothing type their type in your question. I hit the button you can donate anything to the show. We throw it will become a tip jar that we use for for for various. Give aways which I gotTa Talk to you about that and just a little bit and therefore I will. I will do my best to keep monitoring over. We're here to make sure that I do not miss any questions. Now something we've tried to start to do is at some people don't realize is we started. Show and people just start firing off. This happened on the post game. Show firing super chat questions right off the bat before anybody before the US podcasters even had a chance to really get talking about what we were talking about It's not that just as soon as you off. I'm going to stop everything that I'm doing because you had a question. I like to do it when I opened it up for questions actions or comments or anything like that so this is if you're listening now and you've you've had frustration with that with other podcasts other live chats. Keep that in mind that there's is going to be a time when we get to that and that's probably when you want us to save your your shoe project. questions or like. I've said before people fired a good question out there. They want to be answered. I didn't get to it and when I say hey questions type it again so that way we can try to see it so I'm trying to just skipping ahead with everything is here two quick things. I was asked whose Jersey do. I have on I have on. Let's see if you could see it. I have on wrong shoulder number fifty three one market pouncey if you can see that that's the Jersey I got going on today. There was another Jersey question there but then I lost did hear that. Someone said it was a four forty three. I'm not going to be hearing from Humberto. That's what Jersey numbers it's Patrick. He wasn't probably brought this up. I think I saw it from someone else his his twenty nine not available and they can't switch during season Asian once players playing our that number I were to guess of there was it was ron was asking what what was going to be if I were going to get any Jersey number. I'm going to say thirty nine. It's available no one's in its close to two thousand nine and then you can go but the problem is because Kam Kelly has twenty nine right now. You can't switch your Jersey number during the season and all that so. That's what they're gonNA do now. The report is coach. Tom says that they're going to ensure it. It's Patrick Gannet free safety right away. I know we ran Arco. I didn't hear him. Use The word start but everyone's assuming that means that he's going to be starting this week. Do I think he'll be completely up to speed now. Do I think he's GonNa be their best option their even if he's not completely up to speed absolutely so now let's move to this week as we're kind of getting into that. Let's talk about the game the upcoming game to San Francisco Forty niners the line on it keeps changing. This was is it. This was an even game. This was a pickup game. When the Games first came out in April it was still a pickup game on some sites as of Sunday but when News Ben Rothlisberger injury came out everything shot to right around touchdown the steelers are last night. They were seven point underdogs when I had to had to do that to run an article today to now just check to get it right there six and a half point underdogs dugs so that's just what it is and that's because there's so many unknowns and that's that's why it was the title of episode is what can we expect now going forward. You Got Mason Rudolph quarterback. You've got a brand new free safety that they just traded to bring in. What can you expect from the steelers. I mean I could talk about how the steelers have at one in San Francisco since nineteen ninety nine nine. You know you could bring up the steelers record under Mike Tomlin on the west coast it's not even worth bringing up Ben Rothlisberger record record on the west coast because that's not a factor so there's all these numbers we could talk about. There are so many unknowns going into this game so this is what at the crazy number. I'M GONNA throw out to you something very specific and I kind of hinted at it ten. I I would like to see the steelers run. No less knelt this ambitious. No less than ten play action passes asses on Sunday. I'm going to be doing an article. That's coming out this week about. Could the steelers go back to more play action pass now with Mason Rudolph off. I think absolutely that that play was brilliant. That was so pretty I love that plate events McDonald's I mean he he predicted faked a handoff he even don't you know. Ben Over. The ball came back boom right there. It was because the steelers for the last two years thank you Lance Williams for getting me these numbers. I was saying hey land where I can find miss boom. He sent me to websites where I had it of. How much the steelers run play action pass for the La- we went back to two thousand eighteen and a two thousand seventeen try last in the league. They were twelve twelve percent of their plays where pull play action pass. No twelve percent of their passes other just plays. I think it was their passes. Were play action in two thousand eighteen. Sorry third two thousand seventeen twelve. Two Thousand Eighteen was eleven percent my goodness. They're not even trying to fool anybody there. They're really not it and a lot of those or even what you would even consider run pass options so I think they showed it already that I would like to see a lot more play action pass out of the offense I would like to see more played run under center and that was a bit concerned with Mason Rudolph coming. Out of colleges that he didn't take he didn't he never took took snaps from under center. They were strictly shotgun so but the steelers don't do as much under under center but I think they can and I think that's one of the things that he worked on last year with ready ready ready to go with so that's something that I would see. I WANNA see a new wrinkle so let's try to see ten play action passes and with route two more numbers for you just because we don't know what to expect. I'd really like to see zero interceptions agents. That would be fantastic. That would be really taking care of the ball but there's also another side of that that I wanNA. I WanNa make sure we look in came and that is I would really like to see no interceptions but I don't want to see then baby Rudolph along. They didn't do it in the second half on this on this Sunday but it's something that they did with Ben Rothlisberger Burger would he came in in two thousand four is a rookie. They didn't really give him a Lotta. They didn't really it felt like they were constantly inhibiting him from what he could do and I wanted to see them. Let him play a little bit more wide open as a rookie now. I wish they would rain a middle of more as as a sixteen year vet so oh I would really like to see them not just be like an and I said this Brian Anthony Davis during the second half of the game that I was afraid they were going to do that at this past week. I'm like if they just come out with Rudolph and just go run run past punt and that's the only reason pass on third down because they had no other choice if it's just run on run past punt. I'm going to be very frustrated but they didn't. They mixed it up. They let ram at flea flicker that thing was great and if my brother told me today on the phone Tony we were talking about this because he was at the game he said if if conner wouldn't have been bumped a little bit which kind of held them up flipping it back to route off he could have probably thrown that ball but earlier which means it would have been easier to Juju. Strident could've gone for a touchdown. I still love the result of it. It was great so oh I don't WanNa see zero interceptions but I don't WanNa see it's because the attempts are way down all they're doing is running screens and bubble screens and passes two yards down the field. Go get it. Just you know what do you got to lose. What are you got to lose. Go get it thing I would like to see. I would like to see one turnover on defense. At least I would like to. I would like to the defense to force turnovers specifically. I don't want to just say one turnover. That's all I wanna see one interception it. It doesn't have to be fitzpatrick although that would be great. steelers have no interceptions in two games. Let's get an interception out there on Sunday now before open this up to the lifetime. Let's say one thing so. Those are some numbers at one. My expectations coming into this game are actually quite low. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast. Your of injures of college. 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If there are some communication issues hopefully they don't resulted interceptions or players just flat up dropping the ball that resulted interceptions if the if the commission means that it's an incompletion or things like that that's I understand that happening because basically the steelers are starting over again in week one and normally by week three. I would have higher expectations but I feel like it's a reset back to week one and now let's get out there and see what you can do. If if the steelers don't win this game it's not that the sky is falling. They could still get on a roll. I know it's going to be really deported. We dig themselves out of but please don't Judge Mason Rudolph and Fitzpatrick Trade stolley on one game. Let's give them at least two. They actually need to give them a whole season but before we flip out let's let let's give them two games. So at this time I'm going to go throw out in into the live chat and you'll see it when it comes up on the on the on the chat there that I'm ready for numbers or questions that did anyone wants to throw out and I will pay attention to those there. I am going to meant. I'm GONNA throw something out before. People might have a chance to catch up a little bit here because there's there's two hundred and sixty people in his live chat so it's GonNa be tough to keep up but so you might wanNA use cheaper fat chat super fat now. That's me super chat feature in order to get your questions answered but you wanted to tune in this week. It looks like we've got another giveaway coming up and I'm hoping hoping that we can do it and announce it on the steelers preview Thursday. It's GonNa be a good one. You'RE GONNA WANNA get involved with this okay. I'm not saying the way we're doing it as good because we're still trying to figure that out but I'm saying the prize is good so here we go yeah super chat chat fat Yep. That's right so okay here we go. Here's a question from awesome stuff. Jeff have a Rudolph Jersey yet. I tried to order him one and it and it hasn't and he said not yet he's not ready to do that yet. He's he's got to win a game. I I have mine my shopping cart getting ready to go okay so oh here. We go double triple double double. H wants four turnovers next week. I love it too but that's going to be a lot to ask question in we'll we'll make an interception as I first game. I would love it. I would love it Someone says he'd like to have I'm. I'm assuming they mean Shawna saying thirty five Russia's that would be great if they're effective. I don't WanNa keep running the ball. It's ineffective. That was my fear Sunday Sunday. Don't just run the ball to protect rough run the ball. If it's working okay Ryan says less my safety so more or less camp sutton camps on hold my goodness he may do fantastic place at the end of the first half that basically saved points points for the steelers because he made two tackles one for a loss and then one for a very short game that to place. I think it was minus one yard in two to pass plays where he made a tackle inbounds when Seattle had no timeouts and kept the clock run and it was fantastic here we go how `bout zero the numbers taps for Moncrieff I've got an article be out tomorrow about some stuff with with them coach Tomlin but didn't have much such flattering say a gay someone said about how many number one picks on our defense and we brought that up earlier. I think it was eight. I think it seven Evan if you if you're counting just just starters so trying to catch up question question. They have a question about two I for Jaylen Ramsey's now. I don't think we need him. I don't know about everyone else. The biggest not surprise is but the surprises and toward a book for what am I looking for what I've liked. The most about the defensive afar has been Steven Nelson listen. You don't hear his name as a defensive back. He gave up a pass play. I think it was the first place became Ed Catheter their first completion Sunday and it was such an obvious push off but you're not going to challenge that data early in the game but it was and that's like one of the only passes he gave up okay. I'm so someone asked about camps Kevin Aspect Cam sudden. We talked about that a little bit. I know I might getting the questions that you guys type before. I answer the questions OK. Someone asked him about the numbers in the survivor league what they look like that was published this afternoon actually see it. There's like five o'clock. We put that article out lots. I'll be honest with you if you're not in the survivor leg. If you are one thing you've got to do. You've got to go in and and make your picks. There was more people that didn't make picks this week than last week. We lost eighty some people because they didn't make picks that was the biggest reason people were eliminated. we had forty some people eliminated because the Carolina game but and then we had we had sixty few people that were probably breathing a sigh of relief because they had picked Houston who when Jacksonville went for two there at the end and didn't get it so that that was crazy but the numbers are there's about fifty five percent people other in the league left so almost half of them gone after two weeks a Lotta that is 'cause people didn't make their picks so go in make your picks for the whole season season and then change them so that way you know you at least have something some people asking about Keith Butler. I think there's a chance that this could be his last year. We'll see it to bring him back but for now he's the Guy Mark. Mark wants to know whether keep passing the SWITZER wonder why because he catches the ball you know who doesn't kick the ball Dante Moncrieff Dot Moncrieff has eleven targets on the season. He had one target last week zero receptions. He should have caught it for a first down. He let it go through his hands and became an interception that was by no fault. Mason Rudolph Fault none zero that should have been a first down so don't get me started on that so when you're talking about three receptions for seven yards on eleven targets. That's hard to get someone out there someone asked about. How do you send questions. If you're talking about the super cat there should be a little dollar sign that oh you've got to have something set up. I don't know I've never done it. someone else might be able to answer that. More people say it's okay that they're that Thomas. That's that's okay Dave. I'm super fat to where we're the guys you don't want to sit to sit next to at the Games so here we go. Let's say vodka drinker. He's on here all the time. Numbers Forty snaps buyer defense yeah out of forty. He's a bit ambitious but man. They were seventy-one snaps last week and that's a lot. That's a lot here we go. Some of these are funny. I'm not bringing them all up. I can't guys I'm sorry as much as I'd like to. I'm so far behind someone asked about Tikolo was he hurt. He's dealing dealing with plantar fasciitis which he was dealing with last season. Apparently I thought he had surgery to get to get something fixed with it and the problem is he's young with it again. So it's Kinda makes you wonder why in the world they would spend that money to bring someone back who keeps dealing with that. and Ron did verify that seven starters is number one picks. Thank you very much. someone agreeing with that yes. That's Nelson has done good okay so F I if you use bad language. I will not be bringing up your comment here. We go snowman was five dollars. I completely missed this. I'm so glad I came across it has come off cloud nine with Rudolf starting funny story. I'M GONNA say I don't know if we understood alive tat or not him and our going back with some try it with arguing over some terminology how defenses are called between nickel goal and dime and base and even the dollar defense alanthea's talking about alignments coach. I'm talking about this is all about personnel. It doesn't matter if a safety fifty lines up as a linebacker he's a safety on the field so that would be considered nickel dime lance and I finally figured it out going back and forth exactly what each Jenner was talking about. That's the problem with communicating via text message but all this time we're having it's a it was a it was a text with myself. Lancet Jeff gesture sit back and then awesome he just goes in go mason everyone's while he just wanted something about about about its Mason Times like that. Just randomly throwing it in there so as as you can see I'm excited about Mason Rudolph. I'm I'm very devastated about Ben Rothlisberger. You don't want that to happen to anybody but I am excited to have a better idea of what the steelers Avid Mason Rudolph so so so here we go Ryan. Colorado Colorado said about five point four eight million to get the cap combined. I'm pretty sure that's an answer to Fitzpatrick's contract. Nothing is more than a million and a half until until they would pick up a fifth year option. I just see the super. The live chat going crazy is I am doing my best to try to catch up here with the few minutes that we have left do. I think it's Patrick Mix Edmonds job easier. The answer's GonNa be eventually eventually another question with Ryan had is Nelson Better Than Hayden right now. He's playing great. I'm not saying that he is overall but that's just the situation George. I saw that you had a super chat but you didn't have a question with it. If I come across your name I'll see if I can find it but that was that was two dollars tip tip jar. Someone wants to know about Rosie. Nix Big rush wants know about his status today. Coach Tomlin basis already said he's out for this week so don't know anything more going on with with Roosevelt Nixon his injury so I'm trying to catch up a little bit we'll Mason Rudolph be the best quarterback in the AFC north. I don't know I think what's interesting is that in the AFC north through the four starting quarterbacks backs are often the same draft class and all of those quarterbacks are in need of the AFC North or in the AFC east. Not all of them are the top six quarterbacks taken in last year's draft all of them are in the AFC north or the East and three of them are starting in the east this week so here we go. Someone said that it was Ron. Says maybe says it's eight starters. If say well technically Bush isn't a starter I now Bush Watt Pre Hayden Hayward Edmonds Fitzpatrick Barron and then you also remember our allies there too so it's really close. I mean that's a lot of first rounders. They have on that defense so I'm looking through here trying to catch up a little bit guys guys. Some people want to know about coaches or players of being on the team how many sacks versus San Briscoe I say I'd say let's get five. Let's got four last week. Let's shoot for five five or more. Stefan tour had a great first-half last week here we go three how long it would take to pre to get that many sacks well. He had one last week so I'm going to say. Let's give him on this week and one the following week so let's let's say he gets it in the first quarter of the season I'd like to see that that would put on put on pace for twelfth this season Let's say he'll go every other week off number weeks with his sacks yeah. We'll say that one that because it's fun when I'm obviously I have no idea what the steelers are going to do for the twenty twenty drafts so when when it comes to asking questions about that I really I am not sure but man oh man. We've just been hopping in here tonight. You guys have been in here. It's with great. I see great comments. I can't read them all. I really wish that I could get to all the comments and all the questions but it's just so much guys when there's so many of you in here. Here's a good one. I've gotTa do this. Thanks Darren Darren. We stuff from him. All the time. Fill in the blank minkah fitzpatrick will blank against the forty niners. That's a great question. I hope you guys have filled this on the live chat as well. What can we say about him. You know what I'll say start. We know that okay or even this he will make a difference. I guess against the forty niners George said Tony Bryant Brian WanNa talk about dunking the ball of the goalpost not anymore I am I have a I have a problem with gravity and that is my mass is getting too too large compared to the mass of the earth and the gravitational pull between the two of them I don't know about you all. I'm going to ask this. y'All WanNa put it out. There in the live chat go forward. I'm probably not going to see it because I said I just desperately trying trying to catch up but before I say it created say he heard one number. Might there might be a year and it's two point one. That might be true but it's it's not that much much compared compared to what it could be but now I can't remember what my question was here. It was are you all kind of a little bit excited to see what the new look. steelers are going to be like on Sunday. I mean it's going to be it's going to be different. I WANNA know how it's going to be different. I don't I'm kind of excited about the way the season could shape up to just show. What are we have beyond. Ben Rothlisberger okay. What what can we do behind that offensive line. What what. What is this young defense? What is it capable of. I know there's they've had their moments where they haven't looked as good. What what what what can we do I. I'm I'm about you all. I think it's kind of exciting going in. I have lower expectations and usually I found the steelers and I Laura expectations they exceed them so. That's what I'm going to say for this week. I'll tell you right now. If people throughout some score predictions I saw a twenty seven twenty one earlier. I can't sorry I don't remember who put it out there her. I don't know that I'm GonNa pick the steelers to win this game. I just wanted to what I would like to see more than anything is. The steelers with five minutes left in the game to them still be in the game with a chance to win it this past week. They were five minutes left in the game. They were doing the game. Unfortunately they'd never got the chance to win it because they're often never got the ball back. If you're interested about the whole notion of the pass interference call I had a commentary piece on the website today about how once you open up to where you're going to review only certain penalties. That's a bad thing to do because what happens when you're reviewing play and there are no penalties were called and reviewing it. There's one that you can you can replay but there was two other ones that happened that you didn't see which would make stuff offsetting which is exactly what it happened because there should have been two penalties on the steelers and one on the seahawks on that play that got overturned because T. J. Watt was held. There was Russell Wilson never even gets that pass off in that way if they don't just basically pull. TJ walked to the ground and then but you pre hit him helmet afterwards and I expect expect to find for that both of those calls weren't made and the call wasn't made about passionate fans and yet the other two plays were much more regis but yet the one that was borderline is the only one that they could overturn and they were the other ones get ignored. It's just it's just a bad thing to do. I'm really sorry I couldn't get any more questions here tonight. You guys fired him off. You guys were fantastic here in the live chat once. You ought to remember if you haven't you've got to go check out behind the curtain dot com. We have so much content. It's constantly coming out. I feel like I'm my poor. Kids are like anymore. They here on my found found like breaking news meaning. They know as soon as that happens. Yes what Dad's going to be doing. 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Standard is the Standard: Big Ben talks, but should Steelers fans listen?

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31:31 min | 10 months ago

Standard is the Standard: Big Ben talks, but should Steelers fans listen?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome to a very special episode of the behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com. Flagship podcast the standard is a standard. I am Jeff Have Hartman editor of behind the steel curtain dot com with you find solo on this show on this Christmas Day. That's right is Christmas Day. Still giving you a show. I don't know how many people will be here in the live to have watching live on Youtube. If he didn't know he had a youtube channel. We do could you dot com search. Bt Se steelers dealers radio. You can find all of our videos. They're you can subscribe to our channel and set up your notifications so that you make sure that you get every single episode. I want to start off this show. uh-huh by just stating. I hope that everyone out there. Pittsburgh steeler nation behind this. You'll curtain nation. I just want to mention that. We hope that I speak from my co host Lands Williams. I speak for Dave Scofield. His brother Brasco the Brian. Anthony Davis tone-deaf. We hope that you all have a very very merry merry Christmas. And if you don't celebrate Christmas if you don't celebrate Hanukkah if you don't celebrate Kwanza or Festivus on the twenty third of December remember then by all means Happy Holidays happy holidays. We hope you have a great one. I really do with that. Said what socks steelers football all shall we if you notice. The headline of this episode had nothing to do with the Baltimore. Ravens in that was on purpose. It was intentional. First and foremost I wanted. I wanted to talk about what I thought. Was the the hot button topic surrounding the steelers You know going on and has nothing to do with the Ravens. We'll talk talk about the ravens game a lot on the steelers preview which will be on regular date and time. That's tomorrow night Thursday nine PM. Eight thirty nine nine. PM around there. Live on Youtube I wanted to talk today about Ben Rothlisberger believe it or not you know news came on Monday and a little bit more on Tuesday when it was excuse me Chris Mortensen incentive. ESPN who reported that. The Pittsburgh steelers quarterback in sources that he had close to the situation. Were suggesting Ben. Rothlisberger might not be as confident about his return to the steelers dealers as he once was and you know it was. It took this with a grain salt. Because I've learned to take anything with Ben Rothlisberger with a Graham Salt. Then he backtracked talking about Chris Mortensen he backtracked a little bit and said Sources are saying that Ben is tracking the play that everything should define and all that stuff. It wasn't until today Christmas morning. When Ben Rothlisberger went onto his official twitter page his official facebook page? I'm sure he didn't do it it. But he shared a family photo of he and the kids and the dogs and his wife and they're all wearing matching pajamas and says we hope that you have Mary Very Merry Christmas. And a happy holidays. Holidays in a wonderful New Year Blah Blah Blah and at the very end said also P ask postscript. I am not I am going to be coming back and I'm already working on being coming back stronger better than ever in so I think that a lot of steeler nation gave a collective sigh So Nice to hear you. You know it's just so nice to hear that what many people feel will be the savior for this team vying for a super bowl in the coming years Ben Rothlisberger number seven. He's coming back back. He kind of felt like that a little bit. But should we be listening to what Ben Rothlisberger says forward for the moment. Let's just go ahead and take the fact that Ben Rothlisberger has been known. Let's be honest here. He's been known to drum up some attention. I'm not not going to call a drama. Although what it is he he's been known to drum up some attention. I'll be nice. It's Christmas Day Nice. So He's been known to do that from time the time and I don't think he was trying to drum drama unless he spoke to someone that was going to sit he knew was going to speak to Chris. Mortensen and say I'm I'm not sure if I'm going to be a comeback. Let's keep that to the side. Though what I WanNa talk about the fact that it should we really be understanding or should we listen to Ben Dan Rothlisberger what he's saying right now. Let's say the answer's No. He has good intentions. It's great to hear the good intentions. It's great to hear that he he is someone that is determined to try and get back. That's the caveat. Here try to get back. He's going to have to try to get back. What I mean by that is that I spoke about this on the next man up? PODCAST as well as steelers preview Hangover podcast on Monday. Eh you're talking about a thirty eight year old quarterback WHO's coming off of a season entering season ending being elbow injury that required surgery. There is no guarantee about anything until Ben Rothlisberger Rothlisberger actually throws in object. Not even talking about football talking about an object because here we are Ben Roethlisberger who says all the right things great to hear it really is but at the same time. He hasn't even thrown anything yet so his intention is awesome. He wants to come back. He wants to be better than ever. He wants to lead this team to a seven for Mardi. That's phenomenal in. If he's able to do that physically he's GonNa give give them a heck of a shot to do that but that's what we don't know he doesn't know it. Doctors don't know it. No one knows it so until Oh that late February early March deadline or timeframe that he is going to actually be able to throw again which means he's going to be other shaved his face We don't know what is going to look like you know He. He can say all the stuff that he wants and you know what if he had some trepidation about coming back if he was literally looking at his life in saying you know what him this season although tough because he was preparing for the season he went through training camp all that stuff if he ordered elicit back and say. I've really enjoyed my time at home. Enjoyed my time with the family with the kids being able to kind of do whatever I want. Maybe I don't know if I WANNA go through this again. If he said that I would understand one hundred percent the fan base would be limited but anyone that is an adult that his apparent that understands understands. That type of situation would understand that. Hey may make sense. Maybe he doesn't WANNA come back but at the same time there's also the Like like I just said that. There's the factual part of this. Where what if he comes back in March and throw something in? It doesn't feel right. What if they'd I never healed properly? What if it requires more surgery? What if there's a set-back what if that March timeframe terms in April may would if that starts did you just don't know just like a pitcher coming off of Tommy? John Surgery in this was not Tommy. John Surgery from everything that we heard in. I'd say we is in the fan. Dan Base in the national media. You just don't know you talk about pitchers coming off that major surgery and you just don't know that bounceback is GonNa look like so to kind of wrap this up Ben Rothlisberger saying the right stuff absolutely all the right stuff but the one thing that we as fans need to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter what he says it's what he's able to do because if he comes back he's able able to throw again but it's not the same arm he can't drive the ball down. The field does out patterns from the Far Hash. Don't get there on time. The new at that turns into turns into interceptions or sometimes pick sixes. We just don't know this is a really really really the difficult spot for the Pittsburgh steelers based on the fact that when he's going to be able to start throwing. Everything goes on the same timetable. That he he is told Told people it's going to be right around. The time of free agency is going to be right around the time of the NFL draft. Now they don't have the steelers. Don't have a first-round traffic in the upcoming draft. But at the same time. I don't know if they would have gone if your quarterback but if you have of an inkling that Benz not can be back to what he was in maybe never will. You're you'RE GONNA have to look for help you know so far. You're in the live chat. I've seen some people say what about like. Marcus Mariota as backup. I I am okay with Marcus. Mariota being a backup. I talked about Marcus Mariota being an NFL NFL caliber quarterback. He's just not a franchise quarterback he would be a good backup in my opinion someone that would come in if he's called upon and be able to win some games could start for a stretch of time and his skill set. Maybe with the steelers would be better than what wasn't Tennessee. You don't know but Mike the coming back to that whole situation with the reality of of this situation of these circumstances is that for Ben Rothlisberger when he comes back back and he starts throwing again. The steelers are GONNA have to make some tough decisions. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA cut him not saying they're gonNA release him but at the same time they're they're having to make awesome rule. Quick decisions offer this overall timeframe that we're talking about late February early March so Ben Rothlisberger has talked he is he has spoken to the masses says via social media. Do we listen with intent in terms of his intentions. You listen good to hear. His mind is in the right place. He he wants to come back. He wants to prove the doubters wrong. He wants to win another super bowl he wants to cement his legacy in. NFL folklore but but in terms of the reality of the situation. There's no way of knowing whether he's truly back until he's able to throw again. Hi this is Cara Swisher host of Rico decode. It's been an incredible two thousand nineteen for our show and we recently been honored with awards by Ad Week. They named Rico decode the best technology podcast of the year. And the podcast of two thousand nineteen over all. So if you haven't checked out yet there's never been a better time to start on Rico decode I interview people you need. I need to know in tech and beyond about power change and big ideas. Some of my guests in two thousand nine hundred nine have included. Edward snowden Nancy Pelosi Ronan Farrow Meghan. REPEA- no Oh and Kathy Griffin. You can find some of our favorite episodes at vox dot com slash decode. That's Rico decode an award winning podcast that you should check back out today. Thanks and happy holidays period. That's it so I don't think Ben was being a drama queen that everyone calls him understand it rightfully so. I don't think that he was being a in intent at an attention seeker here. I think he's trying to calm down. He's trying to put out this fire. He's doing the best he can. So there you have it folks. That's my thoughts I'll he would you have to stay in the live chat a couple super chats here to get to Grayson Brown the hater later but the dollar ninety nine is Happy Holidays Jeff in the Family Happy Holidays Youtube Grace in the hope. You've had a great day so far shield ninety one also puts two dollars tip jars is merry Christmas Jeff. Merry Christmas my friend. I hope you all have a really good day And spend it with family friends and just relax a little bit. You know what I mean. Snowman puts five dollars. We won't know anything until he starts throwing the ball. You're exactly right snow until he starts throwing the ball again. No one knows anything. That's a tough situation for the Pittsburgh steelers but I don't know Cathy Forged says when did they project throwing Jephson. I'm like I said late February. I I think is what I heard. March he's not gonNA be throwing anything until they now he'll be doing rehab Instilling that from that respect. They'll be able to Kinda keep tabs on all the stuff you know in terms of okay. His strength is coming back the mobility in his elbows where it should be. He's really starting to see that arm comeback but again. When you're talking about a quarterback just like you'd be talking about a pitcher? You need to make sure that you have his arm back to the way it was you. Can't you have Ben Rothlisberger onto the football field in his. His arm is only seventy five to eighty percent of what it used to be. It's just not the same player period. Just not the same player or now's the time we'll be talking about questions. We done a ton of people in the live chat. Eighty one people right now. Oh that's fine if you have a question and far away in the live chat but I'm GonNa take a minute here to talk about how you the listener whether you're listening live whether you're listening in replay or whether you're listening in audio platform how you can really help the show. 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I might throw up there at some point but I'm going to be okay ads stickers and stuff and so when I get some more that might find its way out but if you have any questions far away we have a couple already coming in. I really appreciate you all being so active on this holiday spending some time with me in between as I'm traveling inbetween between houses though was it the mother-in-laws this morning. We have a little bit of a break. And then we're going to the father in law's later this evening so here we go Sean Manahan is biggest question if he comes back his own line to protect them. And that's a really good question Sean. Because although Ben Roth asperger's mobility shouldn't be an issue but the offensive line has become an issue so for this year in two thousand nineteen. It's it's a far cry from what it used to be. What it once was? In my opinion somebody say the quarterback light not setting up protections correctly not setting up You know making sure that you're diagnosing blitzes prior to the snap so I don't Wanna I don't WanNa say too much. I think that if there's one piece of that puzzle it could be gone after the season and I'm referring to the offense line. I think it's Ramon Foster. You look at his contract. You will get his play. I'd much I tried to pay someone like BJ Finney that money personally. So we'll see There's a lot of people saying Cam Newton in Pittsburgh. I don't think the steelers can afford Cam Newton. I don't think that's I think it's kind of a point Aren't here we go. Mark says any news on pounds. He's knee injury now Tuesday. That was yesterday Saturday. Mike Tomlin held his weekly press conference. He did say the pounds he had a knee injury. That would keep him out. This Sunday did not say the extent of the injury injury the fact that he's not having surgery tells me that it's not a ligament tear. When I say a ligaments here I'm talking about one of those? That is an ACL. Or something. Like that doesn't I mean he doesn't have a ligament sprain or spring of some kind but Tomlin did not give the extended at but did rule out penalty so BJ Phinney will be getting his forth. Start of this season considering. I'm sorry his third start considering he started his two games when Pouncey was on suspension. So sorry about that go. Let's get you some other questions. A lot of people wishing me merry Christmas. I really really appreciate that. I mean listen live. Chat awesome to Z.. North Top could Paxton Lynch realistically get put in Realistically. Yes in my opinion the leash might be a little bit longer than it was for Devlin. Hodges going into week sixteen but it's certainly not going to be ridiculously long in Paxton Lynch Lynch although he has not played yet for the steelers he's been in practice. They've seen what he can do. They've kept him around. That's key. I think that if Devlin heart is goes out and throws the ball the other team like he has been six interceptions in the last two games. Would what else what would you have to lose. You have in my opinion you have to win this game. You have to win on Sunday. We know that we need help. We know the steelers need the titans to lose as they win there and I get it but in my opinion when it comes to the quarterback play you have to win the game. DEVLIN DOT COM is goes out there and plays the way has has lacking confidence not really protecting the football. You're gone you're done and I'm telling Paxton Lynch leading up to this week. Look you better be ready. You better be physically and mentally ready. Because you're going to go in at a moment's notice it just really sucks to me. The Mason Rudolph is not going to be around. AWW put on injured reserve because of his shoulder injury because I thought he looked really good coming in. You know. That's just my own personal thought Let's see here a couple more questions. various things Jeff. Would you like to pick up. Who would you like it to pick up a quarterback this off season couple names? It had been thrown around someone. That's like a journeyman like Ryan Fitzpatrick is one that has definitely been tossed around as someone. That's not going to be under contract next year. The dolphins are probably going to pick up a quarterback. I think what the steelers have learned in two thousand nineteen is when you have an age in aging veteran quarterback like Ben Rothlisberger. You have to have a plan emplacing. Casey had hurt period in. They didn't have in my opinion a very good plan in place coming into twenty nineteen. Yes I thought that it was great. That Mason Rudolph took a step from year one year two. But you can't expect that step from year one year two to be enough have to win you. A bunch of games gave you the playoffs and still is. It still amazes me that we're talking about a potential playoff berth. With the steelers with all that they've been enter this year absolutely incredible. So let's see if we can have Raymond's Antigua Jeff as big Ben. Merry Christmas easy. Raymond I know that you're just messing around. I Love Ben Vernon would put four ninety nine and Jerseys Merry Christmas. I applaud your commitment on a day. Like this I've promised you all that you would get a show a day during the season and this is not my full time job. It is a job. I do make money doing this but I it's. It's just one of those situations where I made a promise. I keep my promises I tell my kids all the time. I promised him to do sometime when they do it so when I told would you all you're going to get a show a day. During the season I can take thirty minutes out of my day in between trips of family and I can talk to you all about some steelers. It was football. I love talking about steelers football now. Yeah Hey I'm Jason Delray. I recently wrapped up land of the giants the rise of Amazon. In this podcast we examine. How Jeff bezos turned a small online bookseller into one of the most powerful companies in the world? We start by exploring how Amazon prime on became a service with over one hundred million members and the main source of the company's Cower. I mean I think that's kind of Amazon's banking on right that you're just so locked in the era. I'm going to go to any other sites. 'cause I don't and we end the season by pondering. The question is Amazon. Too Big you know and we just don't want to be the United States of Amazon on we just really don't land of the giants has been recommended by the New York Times axios wired and more. It's a candidate. Look at the state of Amazon today. How how we got here and what the future might look like? The entire first season is out. Now find out more and binging on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast cast at Felicia. WHO's a longtime listener? She's Ben's arm counties knees foster to it's not a good sign for twenty twenty. Oh man time is calling look at omb. Anton is undefeated but at the same time the steelers can make some educated decisions news. That can really help. Ease the impact of father time on this team. If Ben Rothlisberger comes back and his healthy and can throw the ball the way that we talked about at the beginning of the show. Chill Markey's Pouncey if he can. Maybe rebound I didn't think mark. He's penalty played poorly this year. Outside of just some really bad snaps at times a strange and I just spoke about fostering regards to the fact that I think that he could be replaced. So we'll see we'll see there's a lot of people saying that what the steelers could guard and I wouldn't be opposed to this. It depends on one player or two one or two is take mad filer. have him be left guard. I think he's better build for guard anyways. So you've you cut Ramon foster you move filer to guard and then you take it all depends on two guys Zach. Banner urge you to court for to be that right tackle. You could do that. Your best case scenario. It's the best case scenario. You'RE GONNA save money on foster being released you're going to have in-house replacements already. Ready to go but like I said you have to sign. BJ fitting in my opinion. Because he's that deputies you're gonNA need him and maybe he will compete for the starting guard job. That's something to think about too so there. We go Kathy Likes Man Times. He's never lost a game They're big MAR thirty four. Hey Jeff Merry Christmas you and your family of a longtime steeler fans. I love my team. Why do we need to get in the playoffs? If our offense is so not so hot. But here's the thing Marv I'm I understand what you're saying. I really do in my own father. WHO IS A? He's a big big steeler fan. I mean he's the reason why I'm biggest fan as I am. He said I don't even want him to make the playoffs and I said that. How can you say that? Just get in. Just get in. Just get into the postseason. It's it's experience for these young players guy. Like Mega Fitzpatrick has never ever played in the postseason. It's not only experiences. It's just a chance to to make play this team with his defense in my opinion can beat anyone. You can beat anyone and it's not going to be easy and they're not going to be favored but I do think they can beat anyone. Just get in and see what happens period Christmas Christmas miracle here we go two thousand nineteen as Iran says Jeff. If Ben's healthy is adorable running back the best edition for the offense merry right. Chris Merry Christmas to you Ron. This is a tough question for me. Based on the fact that I feel like the steelers addressed the running back situation in the draft by picking up any snow. Oh junior and also they have Jalen Samuels and his second year and they picked up care if y junior who I really like the change of pace back. I don't know if the steelers changed their philosophy in terms of how they run the football in actually think about it as more of a running back by committee committee. Then I think that the the stable of back they have are fine absolutely fine at the same time you have a situation where there is a player in the draft. That you think is a must a can't miss prospect even in the second round I wouldn't be opposed to them. Picking Them Up. I'll put it that way. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. North and ask is there a scenario where the steelers or a super bowl thread if they beat the chiefs in the wild card you beat the Kansas City chiefs. Here's what starts to happen. You get used are playing. The it is called the book of Genesis in the Bible the he began. Who who begat? Who Does he go through the the the lineage of the first you ever some at from Avenue Yvonne the turns into the steelers beat the cheese in the chiefs? beat the the Ravens. The Ravens beat the Patriots. So that means the steelers could beat the Patriots in the reiter. That's what the fans do fans can do that. If you get into the wild card game and you go into Kansas City and beat the cheese jeeze you'd better believe people will say what. Wait the steelers did what they beat who you never know and I always go back to. I think it's two thousand thousand thirteen. The seven and nine seahawks has the thirteen and three New Orleans saints in Seattle Marshawn Lynch ran wild and they beat him. They beat him at a at a time when everyone was complaining because the seven nineteen was hosting the thirteen and three team. They beat them. It can happen. It's football. It's crazy a couple few bounces there. You go so Raymond he says we have literally for running backs but none are true number one and I'd rather have one great running back in number two behind him. Watch the seahawks in the playoffs. marshawn Lynch Chris Carson Chris cars and play with his hip injury. But you're right they don't have a number one but look at all the teams that do the running back by committee in her successful in. I asked the question. How many true number one running backs are there in the league? Not at this time. Okay I'll rattle off a few Christian. McCaffrey he'd be at the top of my list. I would say Barkley up there. I put Hezekiah Elliott up there the like him or not. I don't personally. But he's a number one guy other than that. There's the running back position has changed so much Alvin Kamara Camara down in New Orleans is complemented by a couple of other players now and all kind of always has been there before Mark Ingram year. They have a Gus Edwards words in Baltimore. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers as of college. Football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean. It's all spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters. Pro Wrestling's is length. To unfashionable. Pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth. Early and unfashionable symbol. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast. AWED CAST APP. I understand what you're saying. Raymond disagreeing but at the same time I think that the if they change their style of how they use these players it could work. It could work because when I think about questions like the one that I just had about running back situation. I'm not going going to be one of these hosts that says. Oh yeah go get go get the biggest free name. The Free Asian out there doesn't matter go get him whatever costs. You know. You can't do that so my thinking as the host and trying to help you all out as much as I can in terms of knowledge and stuff like that is. They're not going to have the money to do that. Add in so if you can have a running back by committee with the running backs you already have. It's GonNa Save you money. You can spend that money other places. That's fine so Raymond response to me. I haven't fine rame. Let's talk man. He said okay. Fine Jeff but if we are going to have a running back by committee then we need to start using them out of the Backfield backfield passing game to. What's our offense coordinator doing that's a different bag of worms? Raymond like I said if they can change their system into more of a running back by committee style. They don't have that right now Then I think they could be okay getting into the rain. Diener Talk I ask you to go back and listen to my my next man up podcast. I did Monday night where I spoke about Randy feet and getting a pass doesn't mean that I understood everything but getting a pass so all right See I can go back here. I think we have some questions. I missed Felicia said the playoffs is awesome. I don't care if we get past the chiefs and the other teams can eat all the hate and disrespect they show against us. Just get in. Just get into the playoffs. That's what it comes down to Ben. Builder puts two dollars in. The tips. Aren't says I see we signed is as we signed the other Fitzpatrick for Miami. Yeah that's what I mentioned Ben. Just a few minutes ago is a lot of people. Were talking about Ryan Fitzpatrick is a guy that could come in and be that number two in then you would have a competition for number three between Mason Rudolph and Dylan. Hodges which I think at this point in time most people there are logical fans would Duck in Mason. Our our third string type quarterbacks at this point in their career we'll see all right A couple more questions here before we call it a show. I didn't want to go too long. I was looking for about thirty minutes. We're getting to that point so Saying go back with my family. All Oh my try think I heard my youngest yellen for me so you might be here in some some noises. That ball of fire comes flying down the hallway Leonard Leonard Green Says Give Benny Snow a stout align and watch them run wild aby. But YOU'RE NOT GONNA be able to replace the whole offensive line off season period period so so all right folks there you go. I really appreciate the one hundred twenty. Two people wow that are actually in the live chat right now. That are watching live on Christmas Day as I sit here in my Santa Claus had and talk about the Pittsburgh steelers and there's my youngest is at here. She comes so with. That said. Remember folks be your very best every single day behind each other. Don't forget like Lance always says tune in telephone and subscribe will see next time for another episode of the standard is a standard.

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Steelers Hangover: Is there a silver lining to this Steelers cloud?

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Steelers Hangover: Is there a silver lining to this Steelers cloud?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan Dealer Fans Welcome steeler extravaganza brought to you by behind the Steel Curtain Dot com known ads the hangover now the hangover over typically is reserved for us to go twenty four hours after the fact or so and digest the game so instead of knee jerk eric reactions we can go ahead and figure out what went wrong right yesterday. Plenty went wrong is the Pittsburgh steelers fell to the Seattle seahawks at home by the score of Twenty eight to twenty six. Let me bring in my good friend Tony Tony. How are you this evening? good Brian how are you. It's great to be with you again. she was under certain circumstances but we'll get through it. Yes so definitely the steelers for the Oh and two on the season but you know at luck we're steeler fans. We have been around this radio for a long long time and there's more pressing pressing issues because Ben Rothlisberger was announced today to love Ed sneezing ending me surgery and so I am going to start out with with something that just popped up and this popped up just about I would say about fifteen minutes ago and this is a message from Ben Rothlisberger her and regarding his circumstances because you know right away when something like this happens Tony we have people that are speculating end of the career career at thirty eight. He's not gonNA WANNA Rehab. There's so many things going around the you know. This is the end they need a tank so many things but he had season ending elbow surgery and there's so many things to speculate and look at and we'll go. We'll go into that but this is a statement from Ben Rothlisberger and before I go into the statement. This is going to be a show that we're going. I widely anticipate to have a lot of people on it. normally we take comments all throughout the show on the hangover. So what we're GONNA do is we're going to go ahead and wait until we ask for questions so if you do put in a super chat question and you do throw in something in the pot we appreciate that but let's wait until a little later on so we know we can get to it not to be distracted did and go ahead and talk more about the issues and figure out. Oh Gosh I am going to read a comment. If I said knee surgery I do apologize apologize. I have a friend going through surgery right now and I so I already screwed up no season ending elbow surgery so here's the statement from Ben Rothlisberger. I've been informed that I need season ending okay just last season ending surgery on my elbow to continue playing football at the level I expect this is shocking shocking and heartbreaking for me to miss this much of a season and feel like I'm letting down so many people I can trust God's plan but I am completely determined to battle through this challenge and come back stronger than ever next season. The steelers committed three years to me this off season and I fully intend to honor my contract and reward them with championship ship level play. I will do all I can do support Mason and the team this season. Excuse me this season to help with games. I love this game teammates the steelers organization and fans and I feel in my heart I have a lot left to give and that just came out on a on twitter. I found that just about twenty minutes ago so we do have a lot to go ahead and and talk about so when we'll go ahead and do that I thought so. Let's let's start with you Tony. What were your first thoughts when this all happened well I mean it's it's it's very sobering? I mean we call this show to hangover. It's a very sobering you we look forward to two thousand nineteen off season. We talked about it. We were optimistic and I'm still optimistic obviously but you know it's a harsh reality when you lose a quarterback of Ben Stature everything he's accomplished everything he means organization you know if you look at the odds of what happens other teams when they lose a quarterback of his level they're not really good as far as going on to have a good season so from that perspective I it's very sobering and you know quite frankly. surprised when you really think about it. He's made it this far without having this kind of an injury because look at Tom Brady eleven years ago he had a season the injury in week one so for him to make it this far you know is a testament to how tough he's always been but at the same time you know I I'm glad to hear him say he's he's determined to come back. I want to see him play again and and and accomplish great things for the steelers yeah. That's that's that's my thoughts as well. I mean Look Ben. Rothlisberger has given this organization so much and you know and the organization is right back to so I'm not ready to hang out hang up the gold. Watch and go ahead and say you know like all right. Don't let the door hit your the good Lord Split. I'm not looking the thing that I'm looking at saying get well get back and we're looking for silver lining in its entire thing and and hopefully that Mason Rudolph plays so well that there's a huge competition going on next year or maybe maybe at that point maybe tough decisions to be made but so that's what we're really looking at at here right now. The team has I mean David Decastro Castro set of passed by saying that he was going to go ahead and stand behind Mason Mason Rudolph because this is a guy that really really wants this guy works. He plays hard so it's something that something that's that you're hoping hoping that now as a number one guy and he is the number one guy in Pittsburgh right now and he will be for the rest of the season because the team has committed committed for him to be there and hope that he is able to go ahead in and intake team far. We've seen in the past backups. Backups came in and played very well. here's an interesting guy that was a backup many years ago that came out of obscurity and led his his team to a superbowl and it's shaped alone and Dave Scofield just mentioned in the chat that Jake to Lome he was back in six months. Yes but what I'm that's not what I'm bringing up right now what I'm bringing up though is something from Chris Mortenson and this is something that came out a couple of hours ago and I'm reading this from his twitter at atmore report when I called shake the Lome very early this morning. He didn't even say hello hello it was you're calling me about Ben Rothlisberger aren't you as soon as I saw just like my injury the Ucla Tare and right elbow elbow which led the Tommy John Surgery in October two thousand seven so really interesting look we can't we. I can't speculate what the injury is into said. We can't know about the the surgery but I do have I actually we have guests at our house right now over for dinner and so my wife is entertaining them right now and it's a family member of a a very well known orthopedic surgeon in Ohio and I was talking to him earlier I reached out go to him and he was telling me about about the procedure and he someone that after we find out exactly what was done on the surgery the diagnosis yes I would love to get him on the show and that's a possibility so we can look towards that. I'm for the future but right now what we're looking at before we ah before we go any further. Is We need to think about this and this is what the show is tonight is can we find a silver lining in this cloud allowed that is the injury to Ben Rothlisberger so we really have to look at what is good in this situation. Now there's nothing and good and the fact that the man was injured and it's gone and out for the year that's that's not what we're saying but as a business and running it like a business and as fans we expect to turn on the game next week and root for steelers win unless you're one of those that I know some people that are looking for Owen Sixteen tank or two Taghi Williams. I cannot pronounce his name. I'm not going to try to unless I have to but you know Miami's not going to try to win games either and look. That's that's not what I watched football for. I don't watch football. No I watched football to route behind the guys Antonia you and I have a point counterpoint article coming out later on in the week and it's about the ninety nine season and and they started to as well they didn't really have a quarterback change but they did some extraordinary things with probably less talent island that is on the field right now in Pittsburgh so with that being said we have to look for the silver lining in this cloud and it's definitely cloud so that's what we're going to go ahead and do but Tony. Where were you watching the game last night? Let me yesterday they excuse me my apartment so and then what was your first thought about the game about bench injury about the injury well I mean I was. I was hoping it'd be something minor when I during the game obviously that changed today but as far as my my thoughts on silver lining I think you know the silver lining for for moving forward is they'll get to see what they have and Mason Rudolph as far as Kennedy Really beat Era Parent Been Rothlisberger because he's going to have a fourteen game interview essentially to to do that and anybody who's saying they have to tank for at some unknown quarterback who's in college right now who may or may not be good. I don't get that at all because if you had the guy under roof right now who could be the heir apparent you have to find go to yourself was an organization the find out Mason Rudolph is that guy so if there's a silver lining moving forward is that you know say Beng would've played the next few years not gotten hurt and both he and Rudolf contractor up in in two thousand twenty one and bend says I'm retiring now and I endorse Mason Rudolph as as my starting quarterback forward well. How does steelers know that he's really that good look what happened with Brock osweiler years ago he had seven games and were forced to throw money at him and he turns out? He wasn't wasn't real deal now. They get to see if Mason Rudolph is the real deal and I go heck of a lot more about him but he ended the seasoning they do right now so I think that's one line and you can you can take from from yesterday and from the injury now. Here's something about what happened yesterday I was. I was actually watching the game with Dave Scofield in my living room and it was you know David. I watch the games completely different. I'm a Fan I am a I've always been a fan. I'm not saying Dave's not a fan but dave is a coach coached football. He gets played football at a very high level in high school had opportunities to go division one just a very intelligent football mind and that's one of the reasons I talked about Dave all the time sure I'm friends with Dave but I'm a colleague Dave to on behind the curtain as you are Tony and I he is different to watch a game with because he is looking. It's a different he's looking TV screen but he's watching the game from a completely different angle and soon as that happened. I didn't even get a chance to notice the nose the like he's grabbing his help but before I could even really notice it Dave's like Oh oh that's not good that that looks like and he was like look I don't know but that looks like that's a Tommy John type deal and and and I mean not that and then he prefaced it with like I don't know because this is something you shout out right. He was like wow I mean. He looks really hurt and then we watched him. Go into the locker room and he's like Brian. He's hurt and this. This is a big deal and you know what an in in here's the thing and I've heard it mentioned on the radio today and I've heard mentioned in a lot of places that Ben Roethlisberger we've talked about it on the show is the kind of guy that he'll he'll accentuate the extent of an injury tormented name to look more heroic and look. I you know I'm not embarrassed to say that about the guy that's just that's just truth and that's not a rip but you so you could tell yesterday that something was completely different and that's something I noticed so throughout the second half I was listening to what day was saying about it and it seemed more apparent that Mason Rudolph was going to be the quarterback going forward just from our conversation so with that being said you kind of this news was not a shocker today so I mean of course I'm sure your your phone lit up like crazy. Oh yeah yeah and mind I mean mine went nuts and I was at a business lunch day and all of a sudden it's crazy like this on silent and then melts buzzard vibrating Berber but and that's right when it happened it happened lunchtime time and I'm like Gosh I need to get to this but I'm GonNa do my my other job right out so so you know here's the thing we could lament on all the personnel office. This is essentially right now. No killer bees right now now of the three main ones there's none but if I'm looking for a bright spot the bright right spot I'm looking at or some key young personnel that could that like you said has an audition and they have pride and first of all you will never see you'll never find me an. NFL fell player that says there for another college player. You will never see that but these guys or they have pride to prue just like they did. In the preseason game those guys fighting for jobs the fourth preseason Game Against Carolina it meant the world to them so these guys are fighting for pride ride trying to prove that they can go ahead and play and they could make the playoffs and thirteen mm-hmm percent if you start off owing to make the playoffs but third with Owen two teams in one of those teams was when when Tommy Maddox came in in in the middle of week three to save an omen three season and make the playoffs. I'm sure they're different teams. We also talk about something we can talk about too with the Pittsburgh. steelers is the fact that you had been rothlisberger. Come in in week two in a loss against the Baltimore Ravens when the team went one and one and he won the next fourteen gains and I've heard people say well that was a completely different team with a great defense and you could say that but that's also a team that was six and ten the year before warranting the pick of Ben Rothlisberger so I mean there's you can't look at yesterday and yesteryear but what you can look at is how did the team look under Mason Rudolph yesterday in one half and so that's my next question that you Todi. Where would you grade grade the performance of Ben Rothlisberger Excuse me Ben Rothlisberger Replacement Mason Rudolph? I give it a fellow would be. I think he looked really really good. I mean you know it's tough to just be thrown in there in the middle of a game and and and and perform you so how how Josh Ob- struck the last year when when Ben left the Oakland game with a rib injury he didn't he didn't look look good at all but it had to come in and Kinda rescue today Landry Jones with the exception you know the cardinals game when he first came he struggled in that in that situation you know in the playoffs against the you know some other teams against the Patriots and everything so for for him to come in and look as good as he did in to shake off the intersection that he threw would first or second pass even though it wasn't his fault of his mind crews fault it's still had it would have rattled motion quarterback so for him to come in and show fire show poise show spunk when he ran for the first down he got up and did the whole. I don't don't think I was impressed by that. I was impressed by emotion when he threw a second touchdown pass McDonald late the game so I I thought he looked really good and really decisive and you know I'm sure he's GonNa have some growing pains moving forward but based on yesterday. There's hope that he could be decent this year. You know what there is definitely hope and you know I felt and I told you this from preseason game one. I thought that this was a much different Ben Rothlisberger. Excuse me I keep on saying that and I apologize. I thought what this was a much different Mason Rudolph and so at that point I'm. I'm thinking that he has better footwork. He is more poised. He really worked hard in the off season to be a better at our player so you've got a really like what you have here so that was my thoughts Tony. 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That's code SB nation only draft kings minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires twenty five times playthrough eligibility ability restrictions apply see drafting dot com for details. I noticed I noticed that he was he was ah more decisive. He wasn't you know he was making quick decisions. He's going through his progressions which Josh Dobbs even this past preseason is third third year had trouble with so to me. That's the number one thing I noticed that how quickly he went through his progressions in the preseason and you saw that that a lot of that again yesterday so so I think that's encouraging moving forward. We talk about this all the time the jump from year one to year two. It almost looks like he made that jump. It makes it looks like Ika James. Washington is definitely making that trump as well and we love the report that they have luck if you're if you're a fantasy football guy and he's available and you play James Washington's a good place to go because Mason and James Really really have that report because they've done it throughout college to great success and now they they're going to do it on the pro level and they have that like twins they have that that what do they call twin cents or something like that and it. It just feels like those guys I could really do that at this level and you know Juju is GonNa help them out. You know that you know that not only jude. You'RE GONNA to help them out but you're going to have some help from fans McDonald who yesterday they really looked good together at as they were as they were playing in the same game something happened. We adjust lost Tony and I would expect him to come back in pretty pretty soon and he's actually coming back in but Vance McDonald is a great help and he's going to be huge going forward. At obviously there is a there is a great rapport and when you think about Mason Rudolph look he played most of the preseason Ben Roethlisberger was rusty the start of the year and I will I will apologized for some of my comments on how ridiculous it was that he only played played three three series in the pre season for being the reason that he was rusty but maybe there was something more going on but when you have here's here's a comment I made about the way that Mason was playing. No Mason did not have a a plus game yesterday but those are pretty good debut but but here's the thing when you're playing with these guys all year long not just not just Mason Rudolph but Jalen Samuels to look pretty darn good when he came in 'cause these guys guys were the guys that were playing the entire preseason and here's another big takeaway that something that I've been very big on and it's Brian's conspiracy theory the I'll always have and my conspiracy theory has always been in that the and was kind of I kind of do joking but I was like yeah. I'm joking but I'm not joking that WHO is the offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh. Is it randy feet near or is it Ben Rothlisberger and it's funny e because when Mason Rudolph walked into the game and came into play and one hundred center and after a series or two I looked over Dave Dave and I looked at my other buddies and we're in the house. I'm like wow randy feeding her finally gets to be the OC and this is a completely different game plan and what they're doing. They're going to go ahead and they're going to go back to a run first team. You're going to see a lot of play action from this team. You're going to see run setting up the pass not the other way around and you're going to see maybe more balanced offense. Ben Did not do a lot. The play Action Ben Probably led the League and lack of play action and you're going to see that also Mason Rudolph is is hungry right. Mason Rudolph is young and talented. He said all the right things during his press conference he pay tribute to Ben Right away. which I thought was fantastic? I think he looks at Sidney Crosby. If I can say that out there and some other people mentioned that as well he works you looks a lot like but and you could tell that he has a good rapport with randy feeding her so I'm really really excited to see what feet nor can really do now. You obviously has has talent to be there and I'm excited to see what Mason can do. I'm still sad. The Ben Rothlisberger is not going to be the one trying to lead this team to a seventh ring and I wasn't ready to give up at Owen to either but you know I'm a this is our reality right now right so with this being our reality I'm a I'm ready for the Mason Rudolph off era and I'm hoping next next year to have a healthy competition with two great quarterbacks on this team so that's that's what we're looking at so to go ahead and in a close the door on the whole quarterback situation and talk a little bit about about the the rest of the state of the Union in Pittsburgh. Do you have anything else to say about the state of the steelers with a new quarterback. Well like you said it's Kinda sound like a young pitcher a rookie pitcher never shaking the veteran catcher officer. You're going to have now with Mason Rudolph. He's not gonNA check out a place and I kind of got the feeling that Big Ben was doing that because you know Fisher was his buddy and and and you know that's his writings played for sixteen years but you know maybe just wasn't working. Maybe it's time to go back to to you know having a the the OC CO calling hundred percent of the plays and and you know you mentioned play action. You know that's GonNa buy some some free yards probably and and more of a running game I think you need to get James Connor going it provided he's healthy because we saw what he did last year or what the offense when it ran through him and if it's not hidden jalen samuels or Benny Snell so I think it's going to be more you're gonNA see more of a balance and and and hopefully you know some success out of this so okay. I'm just looking forward to to take it one game at a time because that's all we can do right now with a huge aspirations I guess but you definitely look forward to Chabert disco yeah. That's it so I have not seen the Vegas line and I'm not sure exactly what we're looking at. As far as I would almost expect San Francisco to be favored especially being of the home team coming off of a big win on the East East Coast yesterday I'm going against Cincinnati out east so I would think that they would be favored but if you had points and you're in Vegas right now and Okay Dave Scofield is saying right now might have six is that's the line right now. Thanks Dave so if you had money you taken that bet are you. Are you betting not asking about the House Tony but are you betting on on Mason Rudolph with Oh six points or are you betting on straight up well. I think I think he can he he could they can keep a close with him. I think a lot of depend on defense. I think you know the the defense showed promise yesterday but I think it was also worn out because it got tired I mean they they ran twenty more plays in the steelers did because the offense did absolutely nothing in the first half with Big Ben so better in the second half now granted he we found out later later that he was seriously injured so that probably had a lot to do with it but I think provided they they they play a conservative game plan on offense and I think they could definitely keep close and keep it under direct touchdown. Okay Dave saying that it just moved to minus seven now. That's that's really interesting so you know I was thinking that we could go ahead and relive yesterday's game but you know I really don't WanNa do this. This this is about the injury to Ben Rothlisberger and this show is about the today it's about moving forward and and finding that finding that silver lining and in this cloud and so we go ahead and do that and Tony First of all do. Do you think there's a silver lining in this cloud. Oh yeah yeah I mean I probably jumped ahead earlier. I think this gives steelers an opportunity you to see what they have in him and and they're gonNA have fourteen games. Hopefully you know to see what he can do now as opposed to like say three years from now not you know having to make a decision on him based on a lot of preseason work and maybe a few regular season games now that are going to get an entire season to see if they haven't him so I think that's the one silver finding they can. We can take from this moving forward so let's go ahead and look at the team is the whole as a whole and who do we have around him him that going forward Ura were we're starting. We're starting over right now. This is a fourteen game season. You're sure you're in the whole at one two. We've talked about the the percentages but you know as a fan I I don't care about those those a those percentages I care about the heart and soul of this team and who looking at that are going to carry this team and insight first. Let's talk about the running game and let's talk about James Connor now. A lot of there have been a lot of questions about your house James Connor and apparently he is good to go. That's according to that's what he's saying right now and I believe if I'm not mistaken I think Jalen Samuel's actually said something as well that he was a good to go was well so and Dave Scofield just mention that the to me he is well. sent me a message on it so it kind of looks like of course great Tony. It's Mason Rudolph team right now right but on offense I think it's James Connors team and I think also Juju Smith Schuster steam team right of course we can't forget about the line because the line has to open up those holes and it's their team as well and and then if you're gonna go along those lines it's it's Boswell's team. You know it's and then we could get the defense but let's go back to running back back. What are you expecting this injury to Ben does to James Connor? I picked it makes them more of a workhorse provided he stays healthy. I mean that's been a problem with with him throughout his broker and even in college not not as illness but he is a against his junior year sophomore sophomore year so it's been a problem for him and it's good news that is apparently healthy i San Francisco and you mentioned the line. He has a world class line to run behind and and and you know like that Dak Prescott did a few years ago he stepped into a situation you know replacing Tony Romo he had that great line with the cowboys and he had you know is he Kelly at the hand of all to a rookie so I think you know not too. Many young quarterbacks get to step in and kind of situation that that Mason Rudolph can step into with with you know pro bowlers underlying pro bowlers backfield a pro bowl receiver so I mean I think you know he's he's surrounding himself. He's GonNa be surrounded by a really good veteran cast of offensive weapons and and and and offense Lineman so you you know I think it's again. It's a good situation for him as a young young quarterback does this question here. Does it matter if chains are stays healthy. Does it matter who's in there at running back. When you have the talent of Jalen Jalen Samuel says well and what we saw from a twenty three yard run from Benny Style and this was just one even though it was a rough preseason but we didn't didn't see him behind a number one line? I kind of think it matters but I think it's pretty deep I think we we saw what happened. When you had to put Jalen Samuels in against the Patriots and that was that was a pretty good deal and with with this line of course assault mentioned that yeah they need blocked better but the you've got three pro bowlers on there and that's just a that is one of the hearts of your eighteen? So what are your thoughts there Tony. I think it matters to an extent you know you want you want one guy to have the most the the the majority of Carey's but if this line you know I I think if ended up into a practice of of of you've walking for the run something that hasn't been able to do the last couple of years but let's face it big. Ben is a franchise quarterback. He's GonNa WanNa pass the ball and yet. Ab and you had all these weapons throw you too but now you're going to have to again play more conservative so I'm not saying go back to smash mouth football you know fifty fifty times a game but definitely more balanced now and and the flying it's more practice blocking for the run you not dave decastro. He you know when you can do running down field you know and saying Markey's policy so so if there's more of a concerted effort to run the ball. I don't think it's GonNa matter all that much who is running back and we felt like again. You mentioned what with a Sam Houston last year replacing Connor. I think it's now has some ability. He never got a chance to show it in preseason so maybe he'll get the show it now so it matters understood extent but it's not it's not a paramount having a great running game which is fine. I don't think so who is who is your number. One Guy Besides Mason Rudolph it off your number one guy going forward for the offense of the Pittsburgh steelers now that Ben Rothlisberger is not there who besides the running backs six who who needs to really be the the go-to guy on this team. I think I think has to be some advanced mcdonagh for example okay. I think you know the title was always Ross Burgers safety safety net you know so I think you're gonNA find the same thing in with with Rudolph I mean it seems like young quarterbacks. They seem to gravitate to to the tight end. They WANNA find a tight end. You saw like Mark Jackson I think he had he threw a couple of touchdown pass to the tight end yesterday so I think that's that's one and then I think you have to get you into Washington there. I mean they they have such a report. Are you know in the preseason that has such a report college. I remember as a pit fan what he and Washington did at Heinz field two years ago. I think they had thirty five points in the first. It was crazy. They want like seven to ten or something like that. It was insane when he did not knowing that the two of them would ever be playing for the steelers so I think you need to get Washington. Get in there. I think moncrieff injured finger not he's not getting the job done so I think you have to put Washington. There's as your number two and I'd go so far as to say Johnson and as your number three receiver get the get these young guys in there get them used to playing Rudolph and take it from there. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk. Mark and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says here in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot Scott fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP because I think you have four threats to catch the ball and that's not not including the running backs and it says three that you mentioned along with Vance McDonald I think Vance McDonald's going to be paranoid ex just paranoid paramount. Excuse me and going forward now for me. This is Ju Ju Steve. He is young. He's he's in his third year but he has done something that no other receiver has done including Randy Moss he is the youngest receiver to get to twenty five hundred yards receiving receiving you know that something that's absolutely fantastic and I think he wants to be the leader of this team and we were talking about how how this injury helps a guy like James Carter and helps the running backs but it also helps a guy like Juju Smith Schuster and in an odd way because because now you're bringing in a guy that will be more of a number two and challenge for that number one everybody sing Washington because of the also because of the report he has with Moncrieff and that's fantastic but now because of the rapport. Do you have to number once it's because you know I mean I don't WanNa hear Judy's not a true number one. He's the wide receiver number one in Pittsburgh but now and you saw oh how they hooked up on that flicker. which was I thought a very good call to help? Get Get Mason some confidence but you know what now it seems like you have two guys that he's going to trust because he's not going to trust Washington more than he trust Uh Juju Smith Schuster at this point because they're going to be working together to both be the number ones so I mean this is actually in. It's an injury that actually helps their chances. Chances there too of course Ben was GONNA try to go to he was going to he was is going to Juju Smith Schuster but now it's GonNa be a lot tougher to go ahead and Double Team Juju Smith Schuster when when you have Washington in there on the other side someone that is so trusted with Mason Rudolph. I mean he can't be let go now if you're a if you're a defensive coach. You can't ignore that college connection right so with that being said I mean I I do after address. The elephant in the room yes Dante Moncrieff had a horrendous game yesterday. Lotta people want his head it on a platter cut. You know I get it but if he is not healthy not enough to be in there he should not be in there right now. Rum and is the finger a scapegoat is is it. Is it a situation that you're just not going to see him. Again is going to be like season seven of married with children when they when they had a new kid on the show that it went so horribly that all of a sudden they just send them upstairs and you never saw him again. I can't remember I can't remember the kid's name it was that was just awful. Jump the shark moment but so are you going to see Dante moncrieff increase again Tony. I think I don't think you can you can make these make rash decisions. After two games about anything you know including moncrieff yeah he's played poorly but they also invested nine billion dollars over the next two years so he does have a a resume two hundred catches in his career coming in so he's been around the block you know I I would I would pension for now and let them you know think about some things or at least get healthy. If injuries are what's causing him. They have the drops but you know I wouldn't get rid of him just yet. No I think it's too soon for that but I do think you have to put the you have to feature those three and guys that you're talking to your receivers at least starting this week in week three so now let's go ahead and open up to questions in the last five minutes of the show. We're going to open it up to you and if you WANNA go ahead and use the live chat for questions feel free to do so also if you wanna go ahead and use the the super chatty go ahead be the top of the queue that'd be great as well I do apologize we saw some superjet comments in there too and I usually bring those up that was earlier in the show and I did not the chance to bring them up. Here's one though Michael Tool put a dollar ninety nine released moncrieff and signed Dez Bryant Y- yeah. I'm just GONNA politely say no. I don't idea but that's I mean. You're not the only one thinking that I just don't think that's what this locker room and what the team needs. I think this team needs to you know take advantage of the young talent they have and develop it and this has become a very young offense in a very big hurry so so I think that's that's something that we can go ahead and look at as Gospel right now that yeah you got very young on offense vents. I like the fact that and it was just said here and of course I passed it up Ben Builder. The future is now L. Yes the future is now. You're going to see what you have your. I mean you don't have but here's the thing Tony we do not have to go ahead and and say that this season is over the season is not over and I know that's that's Brian and Tony being you know attornal optimists. I'm not ready to throw in the terrible towel on this and there's no reason to do so. Here's a comment from M. P. We have players. We need a sound technique development coach that can bring them up to speed with going over actual joie techniques films and the halftime adjustments now. I brought that up because I mean hey this. is something that Dave Sco. Oh I I talked about earlier. We talked about the bright spots and we talked about the people that are going to benefit from this new situation now. If somebody is on the hot seat more than anybody it is the coaching staff because now the coaching staff does not have the guy that is tried and true the hall of Famer to bail them out. They have to work with a young raw player that is not going to be perfect every single stamp but there is a lot of upside with this guy so Mike Tomlin. I'm not saying hotseat but his job has just got gotten so much harder right. Randy job has gotten so much harder but he has he definitely has a chance to go ahead and shy. We do have two dollars from C. SO Clark. Thank you see so I appreciate that and once again if you do go through something in on the super chat no that that money does go in for contest like the like the football that we're giving away signed by David Castro and if I understand that there's a more exciting things coming to do five dollars from snowman everybody enough of Dez Bryant talk he's washed up or he'd be signed. Yeah I mean the fact that he doesn't have a job right now. I think it's pretty Kelly yeah I think at this point he's done another thing while we're waiting looking at a couple more questions. One one thing that we did not talk about is who is going to be the backup quarterback missy. Matthews went ahead and said that already fifty three remain roster has welcomed in Devon Hodges so he's now on the fifty three man roster. This changes some things so this means that I mean we could definitely see hodges going back. If you do bring somebody in with a more of a history and there's some veterans out there. There's and please don't go ahead and an scoff when I throw up some of these names but there are some veterans earns that are on the couch right now like Brock Osweiler like a Sam Bradford like a Taylor Heineke Nikki and if you don't know who that is that someone who did who destroyed them the steelers in the last preseason game played you started a good bit in in front of a Cam Newton last year but they might be looking at somebody with excuse me somebody practice squad eligible double so so you don't know what direction they're going to go but there are some names that they could go out and bring in. I remember a few years ago they brought in Brian Hoyer her and you know off the couch in November and he stayed around and he's still around so you know there's the people that are going to be saying no to some of these guys and that's it but the bottom line is we got us to see what the team's going to do it up because I know what you're looking at. It and it's funny yeah. Sam Bradford gets hurt when blower on them Yeah Darren Dalton Baton Tony. Have you guys heard about the Colin Kaepernick our articles where your thoughts on the ideas look articles new articles or so of course when there's an opening the the first name to come up is Colin Kaepernick and I figured this was gonna come up and so I was thinking about this look. There's no denying denying that Colin Kaepernick has talent. He's a different kind of talent but if you bring in a guy like Colin Kaepernick Nick that might stunt the growth of a guy like Mason Rudolph because now it becomes something something different effort right it now becomes controversial. It becomes something that would I don't WanNa see divide the locker room but it would bring a circus type atmosphere right and it would be a distraction in that Locker Walker at that night when you got rid of the the distractions are gone for the most part so look if they brought in a guy like like Colin Kaepernick that would be something that they brought in as a business and you see it would not love it and from the would right yeah some that would send the witness and and I don't I what do you agree with it or not. it would be a distraction because they're trying to circle the wagons right now as an organization that they have a lot going on. They don't need something else to going out to dance questions about that had nothing to do with football so I think if they're going to bring in a veteran it'd be like a Sam Bradford somebody like that and not like a Cabernet Burnett who may or may not have the ability to be a good backup but he definitely bring too much baggage and and that's that's really just direction of the team right now in in that's the bottom line to that and you know the the team show that they they didn't care about controversy when they brought in Michael Vick Vic Tony. I still have the death threat emails from just mentioning that on the site from a few years ago and so you know there's a lot of things that can happen. Somebody brought up. What about Landry Jones he those assists them? Landry Jones is blocked from returning the NFL right now he was the first player to be signed by Vince McMahon and the XFL and he will not be let out of his contract to go ahead and do so oh because he is essentially the number one draft choice of the XFL right now. He's their first overall selection so he is under contract with them even though he doesn't have. I don't know if he has a team as of yet but that's that's something that cannot happen whether you like that or not. I mean I mean it's I mean it's not a bad idea to have somebody that knows the system like that but you know it's he is off the table so that's something I thought was interesting almost forgot about Kathy. She mentioned this a while ago. How do you feel about Dobbs Trade and hodges number two two? I'm still behind Kathy. I'm still buying the Dobbs Trade because I just thought the upside of Dodge judge of excuse me of Dobbs was I thought he was nothing more than a number three. I think with Dobbs not being there right now. Actually you great guy but it also makes it a little bit of a a controversy. If something happens with that Mason it has a rough game all of a sudden we're talking about bringing jobs and there's there's a lot of stuff there when they're trying to develop a player I know that might sound a little crazy but I just kind of think that that that fifth round draft choice will do this team so much better at that point right now you're number two house of six forty six. PM when you're when we're recording this live on Monday evening your number two quarterback is number. Six Devlin Hodges out of Sanford and the kids showed some skill. I'm not sure in an Tony you could you could help me out with this. I'm not sure if he is going to remain on the fifty three man roster before you do that snowman two dollars will the steelers sign a third quarterback kind of think they're going to oh. I think this was a a move for right now while they figure some things up because this is fresh Tony. What are you thinking? I I think they should go. Honestly I like like hodges. I like his story but I think they should go with a veteran as their backup. Just have just give rude up somebody a lean on because so you know what it's like being new at work you know you WanNa have that that veteran presence that you can just confide in and and and it can give you advice and you know somebody who's been around the block doc so I think that's what they should do right now. I don't want to have two very young very green. Guys your top your quarterback that no. I think you need somebody like Charlie batch that kind of player. Somebody's somebody's not going to be a threat to take the job but somebody who can come in in a pension. Maybe play well for a game or so. More Tobin has a good idea sign Romo no well. I I I I I he's talented. Cbs I'll never let him go. He superstar. I would do that in a heartbeat though I would love it but mar mark now mark is talking about another retired player and I would not I would not dismiss this one too early code Mark Sanchez. That's kind of interesting Tony. What are your thoughts on that? Is he healthy. I even know he was. I thought he was somebody else's backup league I I'd be I'd be offer for pretty much any veteran quarterback at this point that just just to have on the roster. That's that's not a distraction. I guess you know save for for your your obvious distractions I would I would welcome just about anybody in as far as backup and you know what I mean. These are look. These are names. We they know a you might have a name remember when Brian Hoyer came to town. Nobody knew that guy was and he ended up being not really with the steelers is but ended up being a pretty good a great backup quarterback in this league but you just never know what they're going to do and who they're going to put stock doc and I kind of I agree with Dave Scofield that I think they're going to have a guy with practice squad eligibility. He Dave loves Reinecke and I'm not sure I he might half wreck is quite eligibility but I don't know for a fact. Here's something interesting and I'm going to bring this up. This is not my dad. My Dad's name is bill. Davis and I was joking with my dad. I've got a Bill Davis on the on the live chat all the time and I know it's not view because you guys have different views. I love this bill. Davis great quote Mason Rudolph pulls a Steve Young yet take that how awesome would that be if he can pull a steve young or a Aaron Rodgers even an Andrew Luck. I'd be happy yeah. We can't yeah dismiss that either right yeah you don't you don't know until you until you find out that's why again that's the silver lining you get to find out this year and now I want to bring this up Dennis Cerdan. Those are all awful suggestions as Dennis and you know what not saying. They're good. I'm just saying this is WHO's out there. Brock osweiler is out there. You know what I mean when we talked about him earlier. These guys are out there but they're also so as Paxton Lynch ah out there for a reason if they if they were genius suggestions they wouldn't they'd be signed. They wouldn't be out there well. We've we've got. We've got our first Tibo citing sean. Thanks Sean I saw Broadway Joe so there you go funny. Oh Oh we got a Broadway John. No that's great Matteo Cecilia Connor Mentions Connor Cook Yeah. There's names out there but they're not they're. They're really not how creek come on. I'm not bringing in Magnum P. I bring in the real. I'd bring being invited that'd be that'd be the second Mark Bologne so now we're getting it. When did we start getting don strock? Thanks George Teston when we we started going there. It's time to wrap up the show but here's the thing I'm loving. I'm thinking of the guy that we need to talk about right right. Now is Mason Rudolph and I'm look. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go back to the beginning. I'm not happy that Ben Roethlisberger bigger is on the sidelines. I wish he was getting ready for the San Francisco game this week but it is a reality and Dennis brings up the fact what's ban chopped liver. He'll be on the sidelines helping Mason yeah and he already said he's going to do that and I think that's Dennis good point. you know Ben's going to be there but you know we're GonNa talk about people to bring in but the bottom line is it's good. We're talking about backups in right now. Nobody's talking about replacing Mason Rudolph so I'm pretty excited about in our reality. The silver over lining to this whole thing is that you have a guy that you felt good enough to trade up for not just to beat the Cincinnati Bengals pick but you wanted to you traded a third round pick to go. Excuse me what was it a third round. Pick that they traded form or the second they got from Martavis Bryant something like that I believe it was the third and you felt really good about him to go ahead and bring him in so this is your guy right now and I am ready to rally around Mason Rudolph Tony Your thoughts yeah. I mean that's that's why sports is the greatest reality TV show because you never know what can happen. You Know Mason Rudolph might just be some obscure name and in steeler history then again again he might be one of the greatest success stories in steelers history. You'll never know until you until you tune in Sunday and see how his career starts. I mean you know look at Tom. Brady look at Kurt Warner Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera. You never know when the next great story is GonNa where it's GonNa come from so Muslims Rudolph and I'm GonNa it'd be hard for them this Sunday okay before we go. I've got to bring this up because when I see the name Mr Tummy I cannot I cannot more a a comment from Mr Tummy because I I love the name someday I would love to know the inspiration behind Mr Tummy Mason produced more production versus Ben with fewer drives and the same wide receiver group. I'm excited to see what Mason can do. I think we all are Sean. Manahan ben was your fantasy quarterback. He was one of mine too. I'm looking at the at one comment to WHO it's kind of an inside thing cre- yes there was a conversation yesterday about that. Get with Dave Scofield on that and we'll go ahead and take I will go ahead and take a look at that but with with everything else being said thank you so much I love are a steeler community and here's here's the thing thing for me. It's a rough week. You lose your quarterback. You lose it a game and a game that you really shouldn't have lost lost and we get a chance to right now one hundred seventy four of us and then Tony and I make a hundred and seventy six we get a chance chance to heal together and that's what the hangover's all about that's what BTC bt see is all about Sean. Monahan says we may salk but we're steeler fans for alive right now. We do right but hey that might not be the same thing in two weeks four weeks and in week seventeen so with that being said for my name is bad Brian Anthony Davis and friends. I WanNa thank you because you've just been hung over good night.

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Standard is the Standard: Rejoice! Ben Roethlisberger has shaved, and looks back!

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Standard is the Standard: Rejoice! Ben Roethlisberger has shaved, and looks back!

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what's going on this is Jeff. Harbin editor behind a steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of the standard is a standard and folks. I want to get this thing started off right. If you're not listening to this guy sitting next to me virtually sitting next to me Lance Williams. I don't know what you're doing. We get a show on Sunday. The homer in the hater show and we focus mainly on the Rooney rule. And what am my man land. Say he said if they going to make any changes what they should do is what did you say Lance. Welcome to the show. Tell them what you said. Increase THE NUMBER OF INTERVIEWS. Increase it other and and with assistant coaches as well. They want some other stuff. I may talk about it some more on Friday. There's a couple of things that they're doing as well But Yeah I mean you increase the end. I mean what did they what did the NFL on of doing what she suggested. Yeah yeah good. Yeah that incentivizing wasn't gonNA work. I mean that that was a table that now let's table another meeting. Yay were just spitballing. That wasn't gonNA work But but again. I think you know what I was talking to my brother about this. I think the thing that resonated actually made them want to do something or why. It seems so so awkward. Now is that the cycles keep going and it feels as if the NFL's reverting back to what it was doing. But I think it really stood out Gioja getting the job in New York airbnb. Not Getting the job. I think those with Joe Judge gets a job with the New York football giants. I mean it's not like he's getting Arizona cardinals with clings. Bury the coach at all. Women love you know like it's the let's not. Let's not let rule down Carolina off the hook. Either care less. Go to Baylor a guy that having dinner baylor that long and Baylor's not some powerhouse school I mean. Rg Three. That's been a distant memory and he gets the job that was crooked from was that not like the very first higher of the offseason. Was this guy it may have been and I think he was the leader in the clubhouse for the giants job as well he he turned down the giants job for the Carolina job because it was a seven year deal so I mean not bad. I mean Eric the enemy I mean And Zach Aria asked. How'S THE SMOKED JEFF? That's right yeah. He must follow me on instagram. I did a pork shoulder today. At brand new grill brand new smokers net. While you know it's not ital- it it's a it's an old school offset smoker and so did it for about six or seven hours than it up. Put it in. The it was good is very hot. You got cooking in hot and fast sort for seven. That's a longer when right I'd ever over. I never went over to fifty. What if I wanted to do right I would have started much earlier in? This is my first time doing a traditional smoke not using a charcoal grill on learning. I'm learning more here but I would have started well earlier in done it about two hundred consistent. I was good with the temperature. I just didn't have enough time dollar. Those those guys. Those guys online cheap man. Those competition guys. Those rigs are so good. I mean those rigs men. There's nothing that will shake the temperature and they stay. Rock solid two hundred for like hours reading. Go to sleep it literally. I kept a good it so I I don't I mean it was a two one or two fifty. That was right where I wanted so I'll learn. I'll get better. I always do. Don't worry but let's get right into the meat of this podcast in this debate Anyone knows me. I Know Lance knows me very well. The headline of this podcast had shocked. No one and that is rejoice. Ben Rothlisberger Changed Burger. Looks like he's back. Rejoice steeler fans be happy steeler fans? I mean my gosh. We should all be ecstatic. We saw him throw to passes in this video so we are exponentially we are doubling our throws. We went from February twenty first. And don't don't command me with. I can't believe you remember that date. It's the day after my birthday. That's why remember February twenty first was the throw as we call it on our shows the thrill through Cap van was in California through one football and every single steeler fan was like all yes Wednesday season start in the UK. Nothing nothing nothing in here. We are again and he releases the video. I know they talked about it on Monday. On the steelers. Qna with Brian and Tony. But what were your thoughts? When you saw Ben Rothlisberger not just shaved his face. Had Whole Video Montages Rock? He ask the two thousand and twenty year he's well bins funny Because let me just go into full on hater mode when we just go full on hater right. He's he's a lot we haven't been given a ton of information right but I black. I do credit him for curator. The images that you get or we have gotten and I don't know if the owner of the barbershop appreciates the video but everybody knows to. The barbary is now. But why do we have to have a video? I mean I just I don't I don't I don't understand why we necessarily had to have a video. I mean we haven't seen anything else. I mean I. I don't understand the video. I see the video. Okay you know. But here's the thing right and I have kind of have a bone to pick actually from the video. I wasn't even focused on the throws really. I was actually more focused on the beard and he actually looked fit. I mean the throws or whatever the whole production Ben's always been a me guy and he's figured out how to Eve all the attention on him already. So somehow he creatively figured out a way to put even more spotlight on him. I don't really care about the tooth rows And honestly are we that thirsty at STEELER NATION ARE WE? Are we that desperate? Is that where we are a steeler nation? Where we get juiced over a drake video with two throws. I'm going to be honest what I've noticed more soda. Anything in the video was Juju Smith. Schuster looks like a linebacker. He looks like a safety in that he could tackle somebody over the middle. Whatever Juju was doing in the off seats? It's working 'cause Juju looks huge right. So we can't be that thirstiest steeler nation. Come on Man Stand. We got six rings right. Let's put some pride on him and like we've PAT juice to throws. Yes yes yes yes we are is the. That is the bar that low. Now here's what it is so Ben Rothlisberger for is as much as he says that we talked about this before for as much as he says he doesn't listen to the media he doesn't pay attention to the articles. You know darn well that he is listening to the media in Resou- articles. And you know that this all stems around what Jay Glazer of vox boards in acuity may with fans was asked about Roth asperger's conditioning. He comes out and says Rothlisberger and conditioning. Those two words have never been in the same sentence together. Essentially saying the guy's never end shape. Dan Is hearing this and saying that maybe because he did look. He looked pretty. Pretty good for Ben. I mean he's not ripped to shreds or anything but he looked pretty good for him in his six four stature. Maybe down to like two thirty six INS compared to the two forty five nonetheless you a good and he's a you know what everyone's making big deal. I'm Siddiqi hearing about the beard. I'm sick of hearing about how I'm out of shape on. Just GonNa put this out there in then. Shut everyone so hence the video. I'm surprised it was muted had a musical accompaniment like it did I. I'm not I I was. I was expecting the first video. The first video was. Here's Ben in a gym. Throw one pass. Videos over in ruin was salivating over that this one was. We got clips in in the in the barbershop share. We've got clips of him throwing with his giant beard on at some field. We got clips of James Connor. Catch him on the sideline just a real quick clip of Ryan Switzer. Any real quick. You gotTa look for him. But he's there and that's important. It wasn't moving. That's why you miss them. Because he wasn't his library and I mean been handed production team. We all know surprise by the video. No my surprise the production. Yes I'll put it that way. I never thought Dan was a guy that would put out a video. A workout video that of with the music in the background. Now probably why Mr Third and fifth Mr Gummy Richards didn't get along because they're probably were both divas to certain extent. It's discharge to fit both eagles the locker room in the divas going back and forth. That really reeked of Mr Third and fifth gummy Richards. Production me me me. Autograph on the Rolls Royce. I mean look. Do you have not thrown a pass in a game. By the time the season starts it over a year and a video was Q. Was Drake Drake should've been brown free. Styling that's what he should have did. What naked Iraq hilarious and and everybody's debating whether he's back in this look if the steelers star one in three He. I won't ever look at that video again. Eight put that video back. And that's how we define this Kamala steelers fans if he he's back if he wins. Games S it. You're right you're right. I'm not disagreeing with that. But at the same time when your season in your any in my opinion any hopes that you have of super bowl run hinge on his arm seeing him throw to receivers seeing him say that he feels like he's ready to now. James Connor was on Adam. Schefter podcast earlier this week. Listen to that. He talked about a training with Ben. Juju Smith Schuster has said on his instagram posts in story that he thinks van looks great. Ryan Switzer believe was in the athletic. Wasn't he but these are people that are now speaking out and saying we've worked with them. We've seen him throw to me. That is important. Lewis Elbow out in week two of last year and we all know the salary cabinet locations of him this year next year. And we're thinking if the steelers have dot it has to be within under center and so I was a exact. I was ecstatic. You asked me via tax. How many times have you watched the video? I think it's twenty five now. I mean I know it's gotta be it's gotTa be multilevel seven seven. He's got twenty twenty one twenty one in fairness to been. I think sent you guys to athletic article. The throwing the workout was much more extensive. I think they said it was fifty plus throws it was a lot of throws and so they just of course edited out certain things but they said it was a lot of throws and that they came away from the workout really excited about his arm that they're basically saying he's healthy. That's the first part. The second part is playing games. Getting acclimated with your teammates and recovery you as a guy J.J. twenty one fitness recovery. I mean recoveries. Big thing like you know. How's he going to recover during the course of the year? What he's taking his? He has to recover when those throws start to pile up on his arm. He is thirty eight. His arm surgically repaired. I love the video and some people are saying it wasn't drake. Some people are saying it was somebody else. I don't know who is now what. Hey he can throw i. I mean he can throw. I think we knew he could throw even before he threw in the gym. The NERF football the real football in the gym. I mean a lot of times. The answers that you seek when it comes from a franchise perspective is what they do in the draft and what they do in terms of transactions. They did not bring in a veteran quarterback which means they're comfortable with Mason Rudolph and more importantly they're comfortable with the help of been rothlisburger so it was a treat. I guess back you know whatever you know. Look what is it lucky? Charms checks of kids. Some was saying clovers diamonds. Lucky charms It was fun it just game. If you're talking about serial slogans let's say Jeff just tricks is tricks. They're charms for kids for kids silly rabbit For kids that's tricks lucky charms they're magically Cilicia delicious. Yeah the bags of the what is exactly. That's where the I get it get is the damage was sugar activeness. Here's what struck me as this team. And this is about the video but the video sparked discussion in conversation amongst the NFL landscape as everyone audited as Ben Rothlisberger new would because he loves to be in the spotlight. That last year probably killed him that he didn't have his Wednesday press conference. On Ben's Day is a called on steelers DOT COM. When he gets his one day a week interview with the media. It killed him probably that he was not falling into those categories. He wasn't in the limelight. He News we're going to happen. But here's what surprised me the most. I was actually happy to hear it. Irap reported the. Nfl network goes on good morning football and they posted this on twitter And he basically says that you know Ben Rothlisberger throwing. The steelers have really pulled him back. They've really taken their time. This rehab this is not been rushed at all in. This is where we talked about this last season after we to his horrible as it was going in week three when all the rumors start or not rumors facts that Ben. Season's done he's done. His arm is blown. He's done everyone's like what now you know what now and we said. Maybe there is a blessing in disguise. Here that he's going to have a missed an entire season an entire calendar year to get right. He had that this steelers in terms of from Ria from a rehabilitation standpoint. We're able to really say okay. We can curtail this a little bit. He's a guy that wants to go for the Gusto. He wants to keep their anyone's gotta they've been able to bring him bring him back. Take our let's take our time in. Let's really make sure that you are right before we start progressing. They've been able to do that and actually believe it or not. Because of the corona virus over nineteen in them having to push back or eliminate OTAS and minicamp is probably in for Ben Rothlisberger. Elbow is not a bad thing He's going to be able to like you said fifty throws I feel like that should be a normal workout session for him at this point. You gauge exactly what you said recovery. Not so much. How do you feel when you throwing 'cause the adrenaline pumping? He's going to be excited. It's houses body respond the day after the day after that. That's going to be really telling in terms of the fact that he is thirty eight years old. He has a lot of throws on that arm. I think when I heard when I saw that and I believe because Colbert has kind of nearer this comments. At Times. The steelers have done this the right way. That's still doesn't mean it's going to be perfect. It still doesn't mean Ben's GonNa come back and better than he ever was as some people are suggesting but in terms of his health. I think the steelers have done everything the right way. And it's just a matter of whether or not he can come back in last sixteen games or close to it and be efficient enough to win football games with a with the defenses. Pretty much elitist at this point. Yeah I mean you know the vitamin C. I'm sure they'll give him toward all between you know. I'm sure you'll be getting vitamin T on deer. Antlers. Bray Little Bit quaker quaker Lou Elbow. You know it was. It was You know quick acting sugar. I mean it was. Don't donut know something to get you up real quick. It's it's it's it's it's I understand. Why steeler fans are excited? It's something to see but you know it's about winning football games. I mean that's what it's about and that's with everything is judged by and no. I'm actually drinking water. John Trent I am not drinking hater aid. I drinking water out of my Yeti water bottle with a couple of ice cubes. I don't WANNA give too much product promotion to yet because now by the show. Sports News show is not sponsored by yet. He water bottles which are fantastically expensive but very good quality. But you know I mean it's I mean hey this magical been ride is two more seasons and he's GonNa milk it for all. It's worth as he should and you know he is a peacock his feathers are starting to come out. You're going to see all the full colors and you know. Let's just hope that they continue to win. Football Games because looking at the reaction of everybody to like to throws by the way. I'm just hoping that James Conner know didn't tweaked. His hamstring catching a route. Running down the sideline because you know James is quite fragile. Hi I'm Ariel Ross. Host of the tech podcast resets. And I'm here to tell you about some of the stories. We're following on reset this month stories about how we're adapting to the pandemic with a little help from technology and science like what does teach him look like right. Now I can tell you. There's T- teachers right now. Who have been conducting their phone calls and check INS with students from random parking. Lots anywhere that you can get Wi fi in for folks who can work from home. How is that working out now? It's my whole life is conducted via this Internet connection. The pandemic even changed what you might think of. Prep irs the preference for at home. Not GOING TO COSTCO and waiting in line for twelve hours standing next bunch of other sick people. So if you want to understand the new normal how science and technology are shaping the way we during the pandemic listen to reset subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Spotify or in your favorite podcast APP later nerds if they don't start fast. Do you think the fan base is going to turn on been? Oh Yeah I mean Let's go back to two thousand and I WANNA say two thousand and sixteen was it two thousand and fifteen when they started in four and now is when they went over to England. If you remember the London game against the vitamins and they lost that game and Greg Jennings somehow ran over. The defense and the secondary is a member of the Vikings winning with the packers in adver. Boy Everyone was turn it on him. I mean I. This fanbase doesn't care. You know really does it. Jeff Jeff said that and builders life I hear hair care of Dayton daycare about the team and they care about winning by any means necessary. And that's why if Ben Rothlisberger goes out there now. Here's here's the caveat of Ben Rothlisberger goes out and he's throw interceptions. Oh yeah he's under the bus like that it but if he goes out there and he's playing pretty solid football the numbers he'll have the number one jersey in the NFL. He COMES OUT RED HOT BUSINESS JERSEY. It'd be number one and NFL. Yeah bill he'll have that opportunity when you look at the beginning part of the schedule but I mean you look a ban. He comes out and they're winning football games or if they're losing but it's not on him I don't think they'll turn on him but if he's thrown picks yep to huge you Jimmy and he was beloved is kick jujubes dog now not doubt he. Bought knocked vonnas Said it after that Game Lance I still believe if he was ran for public office at that moment he would have won in a landslide in the city of this work. Now like you said if someone saw the doozy they break kick to kick his dog famous. Boozy yeah because he fumbled twice. He fumbled against the Against the Ravens He. I don't think he really is since then or other than that too much. He's not a fumble. He's just fumbled in really bad situations and boy did they turn on him. It's it's jujubes place too. Many video games. Judy's not focused up. Juju this judy man they will turn on. You like no one's business. You know that as yeah I mean. It's it's funny You learn about everything on the live chat. I learned something about Yeti water bottles something about that. I don't know I'm not even GONNA repeat it. I didn't know that I I don't go. That deep politically when it comes to water bottles. They just keep drinks cold in refreshing. I know they are expensive. Whatever they they keep things really hot too. Yes they do yes they coffee. I have a hot coffee hot all day for like eight hours. Yeah what we see. We're just a Yeti if you're listening. This is a shameless plug. I have a twenty hour and forty ounce. It's a shameless plug. Maybe this is just us in our inner giddiness coming out. When we're talking about Ben Rothlisberger but I thought the article from the athletic gave a lot more facts or a lot. More tangible meet than the than the session. I mean he looks. He looks back looks physically back. It just depends on you know. Does that translate to the Football Field And and that's where the work has to happen and it's going to be interesting to see what the NFL does moving forward with everything that's going on currently But no I'm not killing the steelers like Cowan cow her or I'm not killing the steelers like Adam Shine. I am on record with the steelers being eleven and five. I'm probably are think on record as saying that I think the Ravens are going to win the division. Will you guys might hate me at that point but I think the steelers are going to be eleven and five and be the five seed mean. That's where I'm at right now. With let me ask you this and this is A. This is not a question that I wrote this article for the website this NFL NFL dot com live. Jet Youth is Kennedy ask Lance. How does the water bottle know what drinks to hot and what drinks to keep cold thaddeus you if you porn a hot drink? Keeps it hot viewpoint? A cold drink is just amazing. It's that magical. Technology just asked Ben Rothlisberger one of the elements that they've put into his elbow. That's regenerative and that's why he's throwing to I guess drake or the Barbara who freeze out or whoever it had at How much stock do you put in? Everyone wants to see the schedules out. The it's funny. How people pay attention to it. Now even though the opponents have been known for months when you look at strength of schedule and this is based off of opponents. Winning percentage in two thousand nineteen this the ravens have the easiest schedule in the steelers. Have the second easiest schedule in twenty twenty. Do you put much stock into that. I don't for somebody else. I'll answer this first. Because so many things can so for instance the Ravens in as a first place team have a first place scheduled meaning they would be slotted to play the Patriots. Well guess WHO's not on the Patriots anymore. It totally changes things you know what I mean. Now they will have to play the cheese matty mahomes but you're at the same time things changed. I want to ask you in regards to looking ahead You look at metrics like that opponent. Winning percentage from two thousand nineteen. Do you put any stock or do you just think it's a bunch of no. I don't typically when I'm doing a Prediction shop would it in quarterbacks you play but I I if I have some time I've been Kinda Lazy If I have some time I wonder look secondaries. I think one of you guys came up with the bright idea. I'm just GONNA say West's Hickok. West is pretty much the smartest guy on a live chat no not to anyone else. Militia weapons should or the to number one. Live chatters will. Felicias number one he always gotta make the ladies one. West is second And I WANNA look at secondaries. I think I'M GONNA take a exercise. It take a look at secondary's maybe I'll rank it by you know pro bowlers. Or whatever all pro selections and look at Secondary's but I'm like you jeff. I don't think the previous season has anything to do with has the. Nfl said what the kickoff game is going to be. I'm imagining it's going to be. Kansas City. Baltimore had the decades on Kansas City. Don't I don't think so. Let me double check you. Go ahead and talk and I'll look at. That makes us. That would be a will of a kickoff game but you know I mean I I don't I don't put much into previously like you said Jeff in a national football league. It's a moving train as as as Tomlin says. And it's just too many things that can go wrong injury sonal so forth I don't know about the figuring out of Lamar. I think that everybody anticipates real Lamar's Marzel solid football player. You don't put up numbers like Lamar did expect too much of a drop off. Even if there's just a little drop off the ravens are pretty stacked But yeah I mean. I was excited with the video. I just didn't put as much on the video as everybody else I mean. They didn't showed incompletions. I mean we don't know what happened in the workout. All we know is he could have thrown fifty balls. Forty eight hit the ground. The theory two completions. I mean we just really don't know it was a TV show. It was a production. If you WANNA get excited about it great you know me. I'm not I'll get excited after the first game if he throws four touchdowns of four hundred fifty yards. Then I'll say he's back while I'm me and I own six Ben Rothlisberger Jerseys. So that made me very excited soon. I need to get the block number throwback just so I double checked here in the live chat verified Texans at chice with one Thursday night to kick off the season. Oh Okay I see why they did that. You either put you either put Patty mahomes against Lamar Jackson. Or putting against the Shawn Watson to young quarterbacks running around making a whole bunch of stuff happen on TEAR HOUSTON UP TO TEAR HOUSTON. Houston is one of the worst team. Statistically across the board that Wins Games you look at you look at Houston in a whole different metrics in it is shocking that they win games and with a terrible GM slash coach bill. O'brien who's absolutely terrible. I mean his Rossa. Construction is garbage and they still win. I would rather so that must mean year because the ravens went to Kansas City last year so I guess Kansas City is going to Baltimore this year yet. I would have been the game to watch week. One had That either Baltimore Went to Kansas City. But I mean look steeler nation. It's okay to be excited. Let's just keep it in context? Don't be so thirsty. May steal the nation's thirsty throughout parts like you've been walking in the desert Camo a man. The steelers patient patient patient is GonNa come together. Let me so thirsty. Thirsty nece just because his steeler fans and we want that seven is it because the Patriots. Now have seven in the ravens are or sorry so sorry sticks. The Ravens are sending or is it. Just the steeler fans are just rabbit. Thirsty in dishes. Heidi's if you ask me as a Ben Homer as a homer in general enthusiast sure they go like that by the way I would say for the answer that question. I would go with the fact that I felt in two thousand and nineteen. Ben were healthy. Maybe they didn't go to the super bowl the days darn well would it in the playoffs and they would have been able to do some damage because that defense getting the footballs much as they did. Lands thirty eight turnover takeaways. You Give Ben that many opportunities. He's going to cash in on a significant number. This offense didn't even put up thirty points once bad once. I mean that to me last year. Two dozen nineteen was the epitome of the importance of the quarterback in the NFL. You have one. You're going to be a contender. You don't you're nothing but a pretender. No matter who or what kind of defense you have here. Yeah get been an extra twenty million dollars in a restructure in heat through like thirty passes so this is a great point. This is a great point. Joe Says Great Dog by the way. That's beautiful German shepherd. He's Jeff with Ben they don't get Minka in that one hundred percent true dolphins. Don't make the trade if Ben Rothlisberger healthy so I'm a guy he's the gift that keeps going giving even when he's hurt he gives every cloud over lining every cloud heard he keeps giving he's like skittles dropping out of the rainbow. He gives us the gift that keeps on giving been given been taken been through heights. You can drill. Tuesday's Hashtag Been Tuesay's. I didn't get a new elbow. The hand the ball off just slowing it. All right I asked the live chat for some questions. Because we've had some success doing a little q innate towards the end of the show so I wanted to spend glass fifteen minutes June questions. So here's a couple. Let's do rapid-fire Williams says which receiver had the best chemistry with Dan Hill? Go at Hines Ward. I disagree lands. What are your thoughts man? Gummy richards managements to third against the numbers are you can't numbers reading. Get Him on the show yet. Gummy Richardson Antonio Brown. The numbers just ridiculous. Yeah I agree. I mean the connection they had was out of this world. Dallas asked if if Brown never plays again willingness all of no. He will go into hall of fame. There is a precedent for a idiot wide receiver. That acted a food. That just recently got into the hall of fame. It never got. Te'o never got black on like he is like again. He'll get in still. He was immediate. He was an idiot. Teo was dope for doing the sit ups in the driveway. GotTa love that Hashtag upside driveway. Hashtag next question because you're forgetting drew rose in a standing on his driveway goad next question. Then that up sir snowman putting five dollars in the Who would you like to see? Would you like to see another steelers cowboys role? Where the steelers versus someone else. You know what I WANNA see. Jeff I WANNA see steelers versus buccaneers in the Super Bowl in sample and they not combat yet. That happens if that happened. Brady to get the seventh. I want steelers bucks. 'cause it's in Tampa right. The Super Bowl's in Tampa right. I think it is I WANNA see. Steelers buccaneers me and my brother will go because my well. Actually he won't because he Tom Brady is dead to him now. My brother's a Patriot fan if you don't know that team north Big Pats Fan Yeah Man I WANNA see. Steelers buccaneers in Tampa and they not brady out and get their seventh on his back. Yes I would love it but I'm not going to review that. I'm not rooting for that year. Them Railway air to to scared yes? I'm scared of radio. Torture teen for decades know what their right minds. I'm not scared of Tom Brady what. He's not scared tall. I want that I want that. I want steelers. I want guess see hot dog Bun Ninety six steelers bucks. Yes the battle for seven. Oh yes I wanted. And it wouldn't be the data seven unless you're discounting Brady. Brady's present Santa Tom Brady. Here's a good one who is a better balanced back year this year Connor Juju. We'll given the fact that connor will play limited games. It'll be Juju okay. And then coming back and then coming back you have Juju is GonNa be better and more weapons. I feel Johnson developing which as capable pool possibly being a threat. We all know Ryan Switzer strikes fear to every single defensive coordinator Emily so yes. Jesus fish two zero yard after they will ask who has more snaps as here. Datsun. The GUARD OR MCFARLAND. The running back dot will not play Mcfarland I agree McFarland but because of Was New ski. That's why Does not to play as much. Here's John Trent Lance Jeff. Who Do you think is the weakest link in the secondary? I think we both know the answer to this. Why don't you just goods joe? Haden say Joe Haden because everybody go go ahead and say to answer Jeff Advent. Of course it is all right steeler fan. Seventy four hundred health is doing well man unedited. He's battling some stuff right now. He's what do you think would be a good stat line for the first game against the giants for big dense a week one steelers at giants. Monday night. Football early game. What is this stat? Line Ben Rothlisberger. No turnovers in a win so it doesn't matter just no. Don't turn it over and win the football game. I like. Yep that's pretty much it but you know me. I'm going to have to give you more than that. I'm GONNA say that he's GonNa have to complete about seventy five percent bogo. Modest numbers will say two fifty. Plus Gimme two touches touchdowns in no picks in obvious. Happy as a pig in you. Know what an antidote w absoluteness yes got though the DUB in their kyle. Smith always provides good questions and he has another one. What is the ceiling? And what is the floor for this offense? Let's go get. I think the floor for this offense in terms of points per game. I'm going to go twenty two and a half points per game. They averaged eighteen last year. I'll say ben on its face is worth about four points four and a half points so I go. Twenty two and a half. I think the ceiling would be about twenty eight because they average I think the last time they had Mr Gummy Richards Mr third and fifth a be Mr Buck naked and rob lay beyond bail Martavis. I think that offense average close to about twenty eight points per game so I guess that would be the ceiling. Go ceiling is twenty eight. I'M GONNA go. The floor is twenty two and a half. I'll agree with the twenty eight but I'll go twenty one because I said the den by himself as good for at least another feel low. You'll go to eighteen so I that's what I'll do. They will say this though if they only ever twenty points a they will not make the playoffs. Twenty one points with that defense would have to take it away a ridiculous clip and they'd have to put points on the board. Does that count towards points per game. Yes yes yeah. Yeah used to do that when I maintain my own stats I to just do the real ice call it rail off into point scored whatever. I'm sure he has some statistic to the F. squared multiplied the rotation of the euro reputational poll. Speaking of the defense. Sean Manam the good question. How many takeaways would be a good number for this year now? They finished with thirty eight last year. And that let the NFL. The Patriots were second with thirty six. That's ridiculous number but earlier number. A good number the thing about the thirty eight turnovers which makes it even more ridiculous. Is that when you play a team like the steelers last year to does not score much. You don't have to take a lot of chances offensively which means you don't really have to be aggressive in the passing game because you're like look we're in we're in the game. We don't have chances if we just play. Turnover free football. We're probably GONNA win. We have a very good chance of winning. So that's why thirty eight turnovers were super impressive. I think they don't have thirty eight but I still think they have in the twenties because I think they'll get opportunities because teams will be chasing the steelers playing from behind so I think the interceptions will go up but the fumbles will go down and I'm GONNA call my shot. They're going to have over fifty sacks for the fourth consecutive sees. I see your fifty sacks in I raise you thirty three takeaways Because I think Glinka is going to be. You is more so where. He's going to be less predictable from the start of the line of scrimmage and I think the Tj what's going to be punching punching marble acts like he has been causing tumbles. Hashtag mad puts different the different rain to that for sure So yeah I think that That's what is eight thirty three in daddy s birth. Good question he said. Here's here's here's the irony Jeff. I'm watching as we were talking about turnovers on TV to buy right. I'm watching a Mike Hill. Intercept Lamar Jackson in the house. An honor that was horrible past. That was a horrible. He threw it right when it says Edwards Lamar Jackson. So Good. Watch that pass. He was fooled yes. He was upset afterwards to will the steelers ever go a game without turning the ball over. That's from well. I can answer this way. Thaddeus is that not you hunting in the background. Of course they won't of course they're gonNA turn the ball over. You know it daddy is Komo of and you like hunting. That is they like turning the football over. Yeah they do but it will end a win this season. I'm not going to predict win. I don't know but they win it win. Here's a really good one for you. Dallas ask who was better who is better markey's Pouncey or Germany Dawson had very similar skill. Set so I think Dermontti I think the money was more physical More durable as well more physical And you gotta go with the guy that is the trend setter of the pulling center You gotta go with their money ask Ray Lewis about Dermontti Dawson. Racist Domani was y'all year rate race being glowingly about Dermontti Dawson. Their Money Dawson's better. You always gotTa lean towards the guy with the gold jacket as well. Tramonte is better dermont. I think the better question is is there? Money Dawson the best center. Is He better than webster? Me That question. I'd have to ask that religious. I have to ask my dad. Who's better 'cause I mean I was just too young to be evaluating webster but I think that's the question who's better webster or Dawson that's tough. I didn't team. I didn't see Mike Webster so it will be tough for me to answer that one. To Ray Mansfield will take boys who has more production in twenty twenty Vance Vance McDonald or Eric Brown. Say Vance McDonald. Because his familiarity with Ben Rothlisberger think I think e Brown will be more impactful to the offense with his ability to stretch in elevate in run the seems and create some horizontal spacing in the offense? But I think that's McDonnell will have the better stats because his familiarity with the offense and with Rothlisberger. I'M GONNA go eve Ron because I think when you look at production you look at points. And I think he's GONNA be a bigger red zone threat. Vance Might Daddy. Daddy has more receptions but he might you never know. That's that's going to be. Hey if they both are healthy. And if they're both producing two thumbs up from that to that questions Ibrahim average yards per catch. For sure I agree that additive that we super yeah EDESSA GIVES US. Ten dollars a superstar. Thank you very much for putting ten dollars in the tip. Thank you bob take over. Felicia SPOT DESA. Whoa then all know them all right. Let's get you a couple more here. Probably call it a show this Juju get a thousand yards this year. Dallas bringing bringing the heat tonight. I'M GONNA say no but that's not because I don't think. Judy is going to have a good year. I think they're going to spread the ball out a little more evenly this year Because everyone likes to think that been had to throw the ball to Mr Gummy Richardson. The he was being forced somehow to throw to Antonio Brown. But I think he's going to distribute the ball a little more judiciously to more of his weapons this year. And so I think Juju will have less than a thousand but I think the number look for Juju for receivers in total yards per catch is yards per catch and touchdowns amid the yards per catch are thirteen. Maybe buff fourteen. And he's has like seven or eight nine touchdowns set a fantastic season. Yeah I didn't do over. I think. Giggles over he's going to be the most consistent receive on the team this year and Deontay Johnson might be the electrifying one but Juju might be the consistent one and the one. That's going to get more receptions and gets more yards they'll both have better years didn't Ryan Switzer shooting fish in the barrel shooting fish August. Here's a good one from Logan on this on because we'll wrap it up will come full circle back to ben if Ben plays fourteen plus games. How many interceptions de predict he throws What's fourteen times one and a half? I don't know and it has Saab asking me this question. I say he'll throw fourteen. I think throw fourteen. Okay I haven't ago. He's I WANNA say he's only been under double digits one time in his career and I think that was the year that it was short. Why a suspension? I'M GONNA go with fifteen officially sold. Y'All GonNa take chances and I would be okay with fifteen. I'M NOT GONNA I would not wireless twenty one. Whoa that's a lot. Whoa IF HE throws twenty one Pixie Better. Throw fifty eight touch. What's what do you think is T-the interception ratio be if he throws fifteen picks you think he throws forty touchdown one to one thirty thirty thirty no like that. I don't like that. I think they're going to run the ball more. I think they're going to run it in the red zone more. I think it's GONNA open these up to the ceiling. The floor would be thirty two to drop mine. Let me drop mine too about tin. And then I'll say he throws close to thirty touchdowns where he's like. Twenty eight and ten whereas his touchdown to interception ratio is above two and a half. I mean that's the best where you want it you actually. If you're elite you wanted at three there was a year where Mahomes I think it was like. Four and a half. Mvp Year Edu Fiftieth sites ridiculous. Yeah fifty touchdowns in maybe twelve interceptions some ridiculous number but you know bins back. The arm is right. The beard is gone in the elbow was freshly lewd. All right this. This is a good shot like finishing with the questions. It's always a good way to do it in the so there you go there you have it folks Make sure you check out our show tomorrow night. Steelers preview myself. Dave Scofield and Brian Davis will be on to continue our. I think we are on Kevin Dotson for our breakdown of the steelers preview. Cabbie Ford gives us five dollars in a super sticker. Thank you very much forward. Okay I was thinking for Red Ford. I'm sorry if I mispronounced it. That wasn't intentional. David Kevin Dodson this week so we might go to McFarland in premiums. May She check us out there tomorrow. Night on a Youtube Channel Twelve on audio platform resonating to add. We call it up to the ladies in in the live chat that are kicking in thank you we. We Love Ladies They. They support the show. I mean look steeler fans ladies dealer fans just awesome. They know the game. They're not out there trying to not watch the game inches eat snacks. I mean. I've been to games where you got women behind me breaking down film. I was like man. You know a lot about football. My Dad was a football coach as to breakdown film when my dad basement she's pregnant? Dow Formations in order. GonNa run right to go to run left. She's like if she knew so much people were like I let us watch the game. It's like okay. I'm trying to tell you she was just awesome She was off. So big. Up to auto lasers steeler nation. But I don't have anything more but I do want to point out Logan di Lorenzo and you gotTa Love Steeler fans. We always knock. Brown fans particularly boggles. I'd love him pointing out that. Your Guy The alleged supposedly good quarterback in Cleveland through for thirty five interceptions in his last two seasons. GotTa love that love kicking the browns when the browns down but with that we're going to go ahead of conclude the program and is always tune in tell a friend and subscribe man. Stay safe everyone will see you next week for another episode of the standard is the standard.

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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Steeling Thunder

"Just when you think your heart rate could be raised enough, the Cincinnati bangles for the second week in a row, pull out in absolute stunner to get the foreign one and her top the AFC north division everyone has gone. It's Anthony Costanza with the orange, black inside are once again, and even though the Bengals have a handful of great winds already this season, they've got a big game coming up this Sunday week. Six. We'll talk about that. Just a second. I'm joined by usual coz John, Sharon, John promise that wasn't mad at you last week, man. On purpose. I, I don't know what happened there, but we missed you for the rest of the show. We got a couple of questions in from you to our to our other gentlemen joins us, and then about one commenting. About the falcons dolphins and then you went by. So it's good to have you back in hopefully no little Google demons will get you this time a plea, not of those guys in we will home not only in for the night. You must've piss off the corporate don't. I don't know anyway. Great. Great to have you back obviously exciting past couple of weeks or the Bengals. Right? Like they can't get very, I guess, let's try to recap what the hell happened. Last Sunday. Once again. Cincinnati. Cincinnati had a different kind of comeback against the falcons right. There were kinda going toe to toe that score. It was just kind of score for score for story out a couple of of, you know, holding the the opposition to no points and all all that kind of stuff. But for the most part, especially first half it was like a toe to toe game right. This was a different kind of comeback. This was your play, like absolute garbage for two and a half quarters, and literally. Every facet of the game was not working. There were getting early in the wrong game. They couldn't get any kind of semblance of rhythm on offense. The special teams had a blocked field goal and a punt return touchdown with like less than a half a minute left in the half a seventy orbiter. That's inexcusable. Then you come out and you're like, okay, you get the ball in half, okay, but now they've had time to regroup. Let's get this together. They come out put forth probably the worst possible three out series on offense. You could put you could go out there with after after I played the first half. I guess I'm trying to figure out a question here, but I mean, what was what was the biggest catalyst in this comeback was in anti Dalton was Joe mixon was at the defense clamping up in in making adjustments that way. Lot of fingers to point both on the positive and negative, but I'm trying to sit here and say, that's the person responsible for this comeback. And I don't know who that is. Yes, in mining has hung over watching the game, but. I just felt like it just sounds strange, just a wise because it was the game that both Bertha CT in Nixon returning and they are, you know. Kind of like the heart and soul of both sides of the ball. They're the guys who kind of gets everybody going, the kind of feed off their energy, and we saw none of that in the first quarter and a half. And obviously to perfect point knows his first game back all year. You know. I only use add fate. No, he kind of collapsed down on a question before the the game later in the week. Like I'm like, I'm in shape like I've been practicing, but obviously he's had troubles, you know, getting back into football shape once he comes back from suspension, but just that energy on defense wasn't quite there. Even though they were doing pretty good job of containing the dolphins offense. And obviously they weren't getting any health Bengals offense Nells because you know the running into wasn't kinda working. They were kind of forcing it with Nixon, trying to get that energy going into kinda wasn't happening. So it was around the middle of the third quarter where mixing finally started to get a little bit of group. They obviously didn't get that crazy mixing the dome touchdown. So the beginning of the fourth quarter, those kind of towards the end of the third quarter where they finally started getting a sustained drives on offense and picking up what the defense was giving them. Obviously, you know, the special teams issues, you know the, the drastic specialty indices were a major hindrance. And could have easily put the game away. But I just think that it was around that time when both Burr fix kind of his spark under the defense and mixing his spark onto the offense, things kind of clicked and like they kind of just like woke up saying, hey, wait a minute. We're three one team. One of the best NFL it's star playing like before it's too late and things just kind of exploded. And unfortunately for the dolphins kinda kinda ran to a train wreck. Like in the final twenty minutes of the game, it was just it was as bizarre to see as it was the first forty minutes where it was just like, what? What exactly is going on here? If I've dolphins fan, I don't even know what it was. I would have been like what is happening here? I wanna talk about this guy because he's been in. I like what you said. I full about mixing birth being kind of the, you know, the catalyst, if you will terms of, you know, leadership and all that kind of stuff. I I said this on opposed I wrote this week for since he jungle that emotional catalyst. AJ green might be more talented than Joe mixing in terms of being on that side of the football? Yes. Gino Adkins might be more talented than volunteers. Perfect on that side of the ball, but in terms of rallying the troops and in terms of, you know, getting guys revved up, those two guys seem to be the guys that everybody else looks to. There's a bunch of other Straker. Patrick's one of them in there are some others, but I looked to those do now. I wanna talk about Michael Johnson for second because he has been a fan favorite whipping, boy. I thought in limited snaps, touchdown play aside which was gigantic, but touchdown place. I thought he played pretty well hit a critical tackle for loss laying yet three total tackles. Have, you know, I don't wanna. I don't wanna three of the boss, say this big, Michael Johnson, eight or whatever, but. Have you softened up a little bit in terms of, hey, this guy still brings some worth. I think is what it is. Eleven season ten season ninth with the Bengals and. In this the the old dog can still learn some new tricks and still help out this team. Obviously, we saw what, how could do he's a hustler he's got, he's got a high motor. He makes big plays when he's out there, but are you still saying, you know what? Michael Johnson's still has a productive niche on this team? Yeah, and I predicted that Dunston wasn't gonna be a part of the final cuts because he brought the veteran leadership in because you know the time Hubbard was still unknown. Willis hasn't exactly taken that next step in Johnson played awful in the preseason in excusable, but he's obviously at the point where less snaps is better in, it's kind of the direction of they're going with the defense because Hubbard is obviously playing a more increased role as an inside pass. Rusher Willis's taking a lot of snaps as et cetera on the outside and Johnson's is kind of part of rotation in it. Was that personal foul penalty on Johnson where I think it might have been a little a little bit of of calls in a. This might be my last year with a team. That have a lot of the community set a great example in the locker room. You know, I'm the leader and I made a stupid mistake. And from that point on, he kind of turned it around and in the snaps that he's given. And you know, he's not gonna play the majority of snaps the game anymore, and that's perfectly fine because in limited chances, he can sometimes give you a spark in the past, you know, rushing gaps in. You can still make plays in the running in because he's still a decent athlete at six, seven, two hundred seventy pounds, and it was after that penalty where he made those couple tackles for loss. And then you know, he just made a play against awful backup plus tack on sim young and almost almost Sacher tannehill ended up being the perfect spot for his first Dutch screw. So it was kind of that moment that kinda redeem himself in the limited that he's getting. And and that's kinda like the kinda like the niche in the role that we kind of expected him to if he's going to succeed. That's that's how he's going to succeed in just less is more for for Johnson. This point that's. Basically what we ended up seeing it was just kudos to him for turning around to that sour moment yet cry, crazy sequence of events, and he's behind the quarterback. It makes interception. You just don't hear that. Very, yeah. It was behind the quarterback meter. Hubbard was in front of the quarterback. He recovered a fumble right. It's just the sequence of events in that game were unbelievable into kinda wrap this part up before we get to some listener questions. Again, you can call us here just a sec. Nine, four, nine, five, four to six, two, four one. We have limited time for a call or two that we've got some text to get two. So call us here just just a second. But just to kind of put this into perspective, John, I think every Bengals fan feels this way, and I think it's a it's understandable way to feel in terms of your way. Optimism and hey, they can come back from any kind of scenario at this point with. Still a lot of mistakes and still some some big issues. I mean, how do you tip that scale in terms of light, hey. I'm really optimistic, or, you know, I still the gotta win some other games coming down the pike and gotta clean some stuff up before I kind of believe. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that's, that's. That's why I'm excited about playing fill because they can't. They can't hide forever. Like if they go on December two losses. Obviously gonna probably flex for game though. They're not going to go into the playoffs. You know, completely unbeknownst to the primetime stage and what better way to get, you know, preparation for the stage of the playoffs than playing the best team in your conference on the biggest stage of the week that that's that's a great way to really solidify what our expectations should be. Yes, they're talented, yes. They seem to have a certain minor change of their culture and how they ports games, but all that is mood until they prove that they can do things that they have done before in this era, and that's win games on the big stages. So I, it's, it's fine to be optimistic, but it's also find to say, hey. None of this kind of really matters until it does matter the season. And like we said, they've already done a lot this year already in five, short games to show is quite a bit of of how they've changed as a team. These next two weeks also tell us a lot like you said this, this one, this Sunday should be incredibly interesting for a variety of reasons. If your battle, obviously, longtime rivalry with the with the Pittsburgh Steelers and they host them and it's kind of a, you know, it's kind of a who's who type of game yet. A lot of things can still play out over the rest of the season, but it is a who's who kind of game it is for AFC north dominance, all of that and to help us preview the upcoming week, six Steelers at Bengals game. We have Ryan Davis from a high, the steel curtain and their podcasts over there. The SP nation podcast network, Brian, thank you so much for joining us our user. Hey, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Great. The jungle. Yeah, and good. Have you in the jungle? I'm not technically. I'm not in the jungle per se. I actually live in southern California, so I'm not. I'm not in the jungle per se, but John co-hosts definitely in or about three miles outside the jungle in as far as I'm concerned, the Steelers are extremely wealth. From the junk dwell here. Very true bribe before we kind of jump into previewing the game. If you just want to tell our listeners a little bit about your background, obviously said you're at behind the steel curtain through the nation. Network of you run a podcast over there with your co host, Anthony, who has a seller for same. So tell us a little bit about that. How long you been there and if you live steel city and high became a fan, all that good stuff lugging all Johnstown PA native. So I grew up your living breathing, Pittsburgh Steelers, especially I got into it in the late seventies when I was about seven years old. So I was growing up during a enduring the Super Bowl, dynasty era. So it's something that you know they beat you up in gym class if you don't want black and gold. So I mean in something that I've just lived breathed and just just loved for years. But right now I don't live in Pennsylvania. I actually live in the state of Maryland. So smack dab in the middle of Baltimore, raven territory as gonna sit here, I am. I'm the bad guy again on a love it. And so I got involved with Espy nation about three and a half years ago, and there's this. My daughter was in kindergarten at the time, and she had this little buddy at school that she always hung out with and it was field day I got there and the the boys dad was there, and I've seen him around in the Pittsburgh stuff and we came up to me and said, hey, what do you think about the Steelers this year? And I said, why June? But like you know what? I read an article today. I absolutely loved it. I'm really excited about the season because they're talking about now because, yeah, I wrote that article kidding. What do you mean? You wrote that article here was Jeff Hartmann enter of behind the still curtain and six days later, my first article appeared and I've been on ever since about two years ago. I started factor fiction. Which mill older doing that podcast. But I do the Steeler hangover with with jets and now with a Anthony feel I go ahead and do the Steeler hangover on Monday nights, and we do the preview show on Thursday evenings with Jeff. So I've been doing that. I've. I do a few articles a week and I try to do more satire more fun. And you know, I'll do voting bizarre predictions before the game. One will be your typical prediction. James Connor will run for a hundred yards or whatever. Then I'll go ahead with at halftime on bell will appear on the Jumbotron doing his new song. Bloated could be loaded or something like that. So I mean, I have a lot of fun with it, but I love my team and I, you know, I respect us north division well, good to have you with us. Good deductive, have another Espy nation brother, so to speak on on the show. And we, you know, I know of Jeff from a far in, I know he's he's really carried the baton well from Neil Kulon views to run behind the curtain. So definitely give give him our kudos for the work that you guys do over there. Let's just start off with it. It's been kind of jecklin height start for the. Pittsburgh Steelers, Brian to say the least start with the Tigers, the Browns. The Browns seemed to be an improved team, which we thought they would be serve out the season with tie with the Browns the, you know, you have a loss against the ramans and then you come back this week in in have a a kind of a restatement win against the falcons. I think the falcons were deceiving now one in four in my book, but your take on the start of the Steelers and are are they kinda starting? Does this game last week kinda make you believe that they're starting to gain that typical Steelers momentum that we see kinda midseason late season after sometimes sluggish start, you don't. I really think think you do and I made this comment with Tony on our podcast the other day that you might possibly look back on that long pass from Ben Rothlisberger to Antonio Brown that bomb that made the score thirty four to seventeen as possibly the turning point of the season. 'cause this has been. Tale of two Benz. We're either getting road been which we usually get. But now we're getting roadbed at home where he has just been playing absolutely awful at times and then show some stretches of brilliance. So it's really going to live and die right now on the arm of Ben Rothlisberger because you're needing to see at least three hundred and fifty yards out of him. And maybe three touchdown passes with just the state of the Steeler defense. Because right now they look good against a very good and Lanta offense. But that defense is ranked at the bottom of the league for a reason because they're not good right now. The scheming is bad and they just need to pull it together in. I don't think that this team has ever been the same since December. Fourth of last year at Paul Brown stadium win, Ryan shazier went down because that defense lost the heart of it at the point and the bin. I don't know the exact record, but five and six or five and five cents. Well, she's here obviously a very, very good football player, and we'll talk a little bit more about some of the sin of those facets just a little bit, but there's a lot of different areas that we could go to, and I don't wanna see all my co-host under, but I guess it's a good segue into the Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown connection this year. This is a duo that has been incredibly prolific over the past couple of years. Obviously, there's some issues to start the season in Tonio Brown kennison's a little. Upset has big game last week, but then after the big game, there's kind of some other off-field stuff that comes about, I guess, talk a little bit about Antonio Brown. His start to the season, his game last week in what should be a head for him. You know, sometimes I don't know whether I am watching Pittsburgh Steelers football or days of our lives been. This is team turmoil and you've been there. You've had a guy like, oh, Cinco over the years. And you know that diva receiver, we definitely have a diva receiver. We love him, but AB is a diva and he's the kind of guy that he is not completely happy in less. He is getting the ball. He wants to be the focal point. He wants to be the guy that is leading the league and the showcase players. So you have a guy like juju coming along Judy spur Schuster who is stealing a lot of thunder, and he's a hit in Pittsburgh. They absolutely love them there, and he's, he's playing, he's playing well, and he's getting the targets, but not all the targets AB wants to have. So you know, you have a little bit of that. I was at the game week two. When Ben Roethlisberger scored a tie. The game up and you get closer against the Kansas City Chiefs and aby salt Antonia walk off the field. It was really upset about it. Next thing you know on Monday, he doesn't show up. He's had a chip on his shoulder for the last six, eight months. Everybody's trying to figure out what that is. He's been arguing with the press. Here's a guy that is jolly and happy. Go lucky. Then all of a sudden he seems dead inside all all of a sudden, so we don't know what's going on mentally with him. And now with the news that's coming out right now of the possible lawsuit because of trashing condo in Miami and throwing stuff out the window which is, you know, I don't know what's going on, but I just know that it's week after week. It's drama drama in more drama. And just when you thought you save the drama for your mama more drama. I mean, it just keeps happening in Pittsburgh. So we're, it's the return of. Team turmoil. And here we go with Antonio Brown. So the big thing is he wants his targets, but he's one of the most targeted wide receiver in the National Football League. But when they connect, they seem better in those two touchdown passes. And the fact that the they seem to just really gel the week five game. It could really be turning point. But one thing in defensive, Antonio, Brown. He had thirteen targets the other day against it Lanta, which that is not a great defense and they have a lot of guys hurt on that defense. Thirteen targets only seven of those other six targets that he missed, not his fault. Ben overthrew them under through to even get near them. I mean, he could have if they were even close to him could have been thirteen thirteen. I'm Ben guy, but Ben was off. I know he's coming out and singing on my elbows hurt. I needed to suck it up, but Benz of drama guy too. He's a, he's a guy. That is is better when he's ticked off. He's better when he's when you'd think he's out and you're counting amount, he's kind of a cowboy and a western now that crazy cowboy. So you know, you never know week to week. We just want a win and a silent week ear in Pittsburgh in just does not seem to be happening the last couple of years. So you talked about obviously, Antonio is getting the ball thrown at him at, you know, it's still a, you know, a high rate and it's not the not the lack of targets as the problem. It might just be the way that the ball is getting to them. And you know, when watching hard knocks, one of my favorite guys to watch Todd Haley and Haley's been with the Steelers through into new Brown's great years. And then you know, he left weekly win. You guys replace them kinda like what the Bengals do when they replaced Jackson, you replace them with your quarterback coach for any Fisher who was with the team for longtime. Do you think that a lot of, obviously the disconnect between Rosberg Brown. Is it can't be traced just on the field performance like no, no quarterback where I receiver do as more incompletions as the quarterbacks fault than Rothlisberger Brown. Do you think though that the transition from Haley deficient has been rough to say the least in could be one of the main factors behind the disconnect we seeing from the offense. You know, Randy actually discovered Tonio Brown at central Michigan. So he, he scouted them. There's really not a disconnect there, but you know, I'm going to correct you on something. The offense of coordinator in Pittsburgh is not Randy. It's been Ralph's burger. He was hand picked by Ben Rothlisberger. So there was not even there wasn't even a search when that happened in January wasn't a search, Todd, Haley. Ben Rothlisberger never got along and it seems like I'm just pounding on Ben, but Ben wanted Rothlisberger gone when the coordinator that should have been gone on the defensive side of the ball, Keith Butler. This is a guy that let an offense, the coach offense that put forty two up on the great Jacksonville defense of last year in the playoffs. I mean, Haley is a good coach. They just he was just never the guy in Pittsburgh. Kind of ran out of town, but you know, same organization of ran Bruce Arians outta towel. But the bottom line to the whole thing is Ben and and Todd Haley never got along and you saw it more really helped destroy the team. You know, the famous Jesse James non touchdown against New England. Hire time that entire time when they were supposed to be planning a play. Getting ready, they won't even go near each other on the sideline. They weren't planning anything. Ben forced in the bathroom interception, but they were completely out of sync because they weren't even talking at that point. So they never got along. Randy was Ben's quarterback coach for years, and that's the guy he pan picked. So like I said, the joke is that Ben's the offensive coordinator and rabies just there, but Randy's also guy that went to college along with, I mean coach in college along with Keith Butler with my common. So they go back a long way. See him do some decent things this year as well. So I'm not completely down on it. I just thought, Todd Haley was sent out of town for no-good reason. Now you mentioned Antonio Brown. He went over and hugged Todd Haley. During that Cleveland game that. That was something that they were still awfully close. Antonio Brown his problems with Randy's just the fact that he's not getting the ball enough and what's happening the the other problem is Ben is trying to get the ball to them in situations. You saw the Cleveland game like when he's triple covered, he still forcing the ball into him when he has other options because trying to keep the guy happy. And sometimes I'm wondering if he's just throwing it to them out of spite. Just a crazy situation. Lega said it's team turmoil. There's a lot of me and there needs to be team, and I think that's going to start coming together as we go. And there's the other big elephant in the room. And I mentioned elephant because we just saw him on a jet ski in Florida lady on bell was hanging over the head of this team too. And that is another thing that's causing so much turmoil in the locker room. They just they're just not together. In fact, I think the team. Needs a lockout, maybe a lock in maybe Chucky cheese or Dave and Buster's, and just don't hang out and play and play video games for the night. They just think some somehow kind of gel and get on the same page. But I'm still thinking that touchdown pass the other day might be the turning point that might just get them back together and going into week six against him, like Cincinnati. If you go in to their house where they've struggled over the years being a four one team, if you can pull that off, then two more division games right after that, and you can have the complete season turnaround at that point. So that's what the hope is in Pittsburgh. Yeah. And the hope for the Bengals is that whenever pits for comes to town angles, fans are pretty used to seeing whoever playing quarterback getting sick multiple times because for whatever reason, Pittsburgh does a great job of disguising blitzes and creating fantastic. Packages? I'm talking about mostly in the dick lebeau days. Obviously, he's long gone. Now, you know the, the Steelers, we saw them, you know, get to Matt Ryan a little bit. TJ watt had I think three sex coming off that that right edge dolphins aligned Bengals have a weakness there. Do you see the like you know, you said that touchdown for inter rocky, get offense, you know, get going, do see that game against the falcons being away as like rejuvenation of the pass, rush to potentially kinda leave your defense know back to at least adequacy because obviously the secondary issues, but the Bengals have had trouble defending the Steelers patriots in the past. You know if the best answer that I can provide right now is it depends in the depends on the scheme is that Baltimore game on Sunday night. Chris Collins was in the booth saying, why aren't they rushing? I mean, they're, they're not even trying to rush. And if you just put a little pressure on flacco, that's a completely different game. But. I don't think they were believing in their defensive backs at the time. And the thing in Pittsburgh the pass rush gives the entity gives the defensive backs more time to cover if and so that's the big thing. Got finally got Cam Hayward, going. A can't Hayward head who sex, as long as the scheme is the pass rush. They will have more success in giving a guy like Joe Haden who had an amazing game against Julio Jones and had a good game against AJ green in week, six or seven last year in Pittsburgh, and you know, that's, that's the hope that and that's the big match up to watch. If Hayden could keep up with AJ gre- they have a chance the turn that defense around. But like you said, it does start with that pass, rush to get everything going. Talk with Brian Davis it behind the steel curtain and their podcast, the SP nation, family of podcast, which this podcast is actually a part of his well, so nicely, tight, tight knit family here. And Brian is advocating for the Steelers to have a combined by moment at David bussers, which this sounds like fun in general, so they could use it Brian, you know, we can talk about living bell thing. I think that's been beaten to death. I don't. I don't really wanna go there. James Connors filled in. There's been some peaks and valleys there. I guess where I wanna go with this is how confident are you that this Steelers team is going to turn things around for good. I mean, I, I can remember back in that, oh, five season. They were basically out of the playoff picture. I think towards the end of that season, it rattled off four winds to to finish the season and enforced rate postseason wins. They win eight. No, I think that year we know they finished wrong. That's that's what this team does to me. I think this is an elite franchise that knows how to win, knows how to build a team and just they have continuity at the head coach of that. But this year the head coach come under scrutiny. You said there's a lot of me. I people in that locker room that showing a little bit in terms of the performance. How confident are you down the stretch, whether bell comes back or not, or what have you? How confident are you that this dealer team is going to. To put their foot on the gas pedal turn, things around and beat at usual, ten win team that we see urine you're up. Pop out and say, cautiously, optimistic. You know, I actually a kind of have that feeling and I not a homework because actually the last three weeks I picked against him. I get Stampa against them against Baltimore and pick against last week, but I'm feeling that. I have a home at the with that pass, and that game just felt like it was an awakening. So we've seen it before with Mike Tomlin teams. It seems like just when you think that he should be on the trumping block that he puts it together and that team did it last year. They were three and two, but that loss against Jacksonville week five was just absolutely devastating, and then they turn around and they, they didn't lose again in till we sixteen. It was like December seventeenth against New England. They in that Jesse James game that we talked about, they didn't lose. Again, they finished thirteen and three, but they're, they're a team that despite the team turmoil tag the, they somehow get it together. And I just have that gut feeling that it's going to happen again, but it hinges on week six if it doesn't happen week, six. This could be a completely different situation because you're looking at a five and one Cincinnati team at that point, and you're sitting two, three and one, and that might not be good enough even to get a wildcard at this point. And how they should games half their division games all ready in the review. At that point, two, three in one because it you play, you played tied Cleveland, you lost a Baltimore, and then if you do lose Cincinnati. I mean, that's that's not a good way to start the divisional games. John. Good. Another question for him. Yes. So I guess kinda fallen off of that. Would you want regarding Mike Tomlin? You contribute him as the guy who you know, kinda, let's these things drag out during the season or more as the guy that brings people together in a Laden season for a turnaround is more on the on the the sided, no crates zest or the side that kind of solves it. I guess. You know what? I don't have a great answer for that because you know, one thing that I complain about is fostering Ed. Atmosphere with no discipline whatsoever, but it seems like they do a lot of stuff in house. If you watch his press conferences, there's a lot of no comments. He mentioned today or yesterday that you know, I didn't even know about the in Tonio Brown situation when you knew that he did. He handled. He handled situations. We saw it last year around this time right after the Cincinnati game. The first Cincinnati game, the victory Heinz field. They Martavis Bryant. Was ripping on teammates and tweeting and not showing up in settled down for a week, and the rest of the season were tavis. Bryant was on point and not a problem, the locker room. So I, that's a hard one to answer. I think he's a little too loose at times, but it seems internally that he helps pull everything together. So wishy washy answer. But there's something going on to continue to win year after year when the guys were seasoned where two seasons of eight eight. Yeah. And that's, that's Steelers, like I said, they're they're constantly in the playoff picture playoff on all of that Bryant. We've, we've gone a little longer with you than expected, but it's been a pleasure because you've brought immense knowledge in all of that. So I apologize for taking up so much time this evening, but we appreciate your inside. I guess we'll disclose with this. Your big keys to the game on Sunday in how you see it playing out. I'm gonna wind to something. You said just a couple minutes ago about the Joe Haden AJ green thing that's been a match up that has been a battle since Hayden joined the league along with green, a top ten pick in twenty eleven. There was some really good battles when he was on a terrible Cleveland team against AJ green. So I agree with you that being one of the keys, but your kind of keys to the game in your prediction as to how this goes, the Bengals our own six last six contests against the Steelers. Well, you know, Joe Hayden's number one number two is that offensive line of Pittsburgh trying to solve Dunlap and Atkins. That's the bottom line. If they can give Ben time, they're going to do so much better as for as an offense. So it comes down the offense of line. The fans love one hundred villain away, but he could be up and down. So that's a huge concern there with in its good offensive line, but they need to hold up. And the third key is James. Connor, James Connor needs. Thirty carries and a hundred and fifty hundred and seventy five yards Hodel not on the ground, but you know, through the air, that's something he's been doing very well in place of labor on bell. He is that he did not have that in the past and he's brought that aspect to his game is a very good pass catcher and very good blocker in the backfield. That was a lady on bells ammo. So James's filling in nicely and just indefensible James real quick when he was not running. Well, those games they were down twenty one, nothing seventeen nothing early in those games and you're not running the ball and he's gonna have a bad stat line. But when he's on, he's been very good with one hundred yard seasons this year, but thanks so much for having me. I am very long winded, so I will apologize for that. When we go without a for another five minutes, if I needed to know your good, it wasn't an indictment on you just big week. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot to talk about. This is a huge game and unfortunately for the Bank for Bengals fans, this is kind of a are. Usually our seasons version of Super Bowl or a playoff game against the Steelers that just usually how it goes. And this week is no exception. The bagels got up to a better start at a lot of people figured Pittsburgh is still right in the hunt, but they're, they've been up and down a little bit. So this is a big game in the Bengals just have not fared well against the Steelers in the Marvin Lewis era. They do well against the Browns. They do well against the ravens day, just cannot figure out a way to be Pittsford. So this is a big game for both teams going forward in terms of their season. We appreciate it again as his Brian Davis with behind the steel curtain and their podcasts. Are you on Twitter? Bryan? Did you mentioned at the beginning of the show Yod? No, I did not. But I am finally on Twitter and it is be PSE BAD because you mentioned my podcast partner. I go by Brian, Anthony Davis, so be TSE AD and I have all forty eight followers right now. So let's try to beef that up over is your middle name? The entity? Yes. Brenna Anthony Davis. Oh my gosh to Anthony's on the Steelers podcast, and then you're on with an Anthony here. It's a sorry, John. You're the outsider buddy. Six again, Brian cruciate it pre she it and everybody go check out his stuff. Enjoy the game this Sunday. Bryan, I'm sure it's gonna be. It will be pretty. It'll be ugly. I'm sure that's. That's been the history of Pittsburgh Cincinnati for as long as I can remember. So as much as I fear it, sometimes I love it too. That's real football. Yep. We'll joy and. Yeah, we joined heavy on buddy. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. All right. That was Brian Davis with behind the curtain. Awesome. Awesome guy and brought the knowledge great show that he does listen to a little bit of it as I asked him to join our program. And if you're looking for a Steelers fan to actually like buy beer for all of that, Brian seems to be that kinda guys. He's a nice guy and we appreciate it. We were talking before the show John, and he was saying that, you know, he's he's Scott respect to the Bengals and all that kind of stuff. So we, you know, we gotta give them a little props on that. Yeah. So John, we are. Gosh, I guess from here. We should since we just had Ryan on, we should give our takes a little bit on previewing. The Steelers game that we can backtrack a little bit talk about the exciting game against the dolphins in some other things before I do. This is gonna be a segment. Just a minute. The I wanna ask you. This may be a little bit of a surprise you John but own. Ask you in our live listeners as well as those who may be catch the podcasts afterward. If you wanna give us some of your comments on this. I have kind of any question of thinking about over the past couple of weeks in it goes hand in hand with vaunted perfect. Returning to the lineup, basically Marvin Lewis has been looking for kind of his next Ray Lewis type of linebacker. And he's adamant these Tatham in a lot of different forms. But it's been a lot of what could have been, and that includes perfect. So John the question I have for you and you can. You can marinate on it for few minutes, but and for the listeners here, basically I had three linebackers that were major. What could have been based on injury, leaving the team, personal issues, whatever to Kiel spikes when when Marvin Lewis came came over in two thousand three, he tried to talk to spikes into staying into Cincinnati. He was an impending free agent. And unfortunately spikes didn't stay. So there's a major what could have been there. He's he, I think, made a Pro Bowl or two with a couple of other teams, and then you have Odell Thurman was a borderline Pro Bowl player is one year two thousand five thought that was a guy total massive human being from there yet. I think he had five picks in. I mean, he has his rookie season was insane. So there's a lot of what could have been there and then you've got his birthday. It was not drafted free agent in in the biggest success story, I guess, of the three because kind of a rags to riches thing made a pro. But Oma, gosh, injuries, suspensions, all that kind of stuff. It seems as if he could have been a perennial Pro Bowl player if he wasn't either in his own way or hurt himself. So I want you to think about those three in terms of, yes, there's more ahead for contest. Perfect. But who could have been or who will be. Or whatever the best linebacker in the what could have been linebacker group of those three. So keep on the back of your mind. We're gonna talk about the Steelers, but that's kind of our question of the night. Is that make sense? Got I know lot there. I'm Randall it, but. I just randomly thought of those three and I was like, you know, Harman Lewis has been looking for his linebacker. He thinks Ghanem donor, so we'll get to that set. John the Bengals take on the Steelers. We just had. We just had Brian Davis onto preview the game. One thing I didn't get to ask him. I said, it was gonna, but I forgot. It's been a long week already. Was I of want to start with this because didn't address it with him. There's a lot of smack talk again going on this week and I saw your Twitter, you had a colorful comment about some comments by debris. I got a good laugh out of that buddy. By the way. But for those who don't know, three essentially said and I, I do wanna refer you to my colleagues, Twitter, Twitter, down to get his commentary on it. But basically he said with the Ryan ship, zero injury last year in that game towards the end of the season, which Ryan should hear it, poor form tackle in hurt himself. Nobody nobody cheap shot at him or hurt him or anything like that from the Bengals essentially, correct me if I'm wrong John, but do pre-set what once Ryan, his ear went out. We kinda went head hunting or injury hunting for the Bengals in that first half until we kind of figured out. Oh, actually it was an accident. So there's that on the Steelers side. That's a new one. Then you have Carlos Dunlap today talking about he and this is just more funny. Carlos Dunlap talking today about the new quarterback rules, tackling rules all that stuff. And he basically referred to Ben Rothlisberger is three hundred pound quarterback, obviously referring to his weight and not in a flattering. Flattern for so already. The noise is starting to talk starting to pick up this week already. You can either. I saw thing behind the steel curtain about like, oh, Ben is kind of letting bygones be bygones in terms of the chippiness of the last few games, all that kind of stuff. Do you expect this game? I mean, if you remember last year in that primetime game, that was that was a bloodbath. I mean, that was an absolute. Joe mixing got hurt ranch Zere got her. I mean, guys were just going down left and right, and it you could tell by the way guys were hitting each other, do you expect that kind of game again and not think people are gonna let up on the brakes or anything, but do you expect. It one PM eastern game to be that way. Is that is that just where this rivalry has gone mudslinging. Guys talking about intentionally hurting other players on the team and all kinds of other things is just where we're at. I guess with this rivalry, I guess, I guess until they prove that it's not than it is. And part of that I've been very adamant about ever since that game in December is that no one seems to want to be the bigger man and partly because the Bengals team organization fan base culture is that we've always been the little brother in the rivalry in how the Steelers don't see it as a rivalry because they can just come in the Paul Brown stadium in wind ninety percent of the time. So it was the sense of, you know, we finally have guy Bertha CT who can hit him back and we're not gonna feel sorry about it. And the Steelers kicked up a notch from their perspective because of it. And now it's just no back and forth. Karma's happening all the time. And it makes me honestly sick because the game isn't it? About matchups during what seems better than the other is just about which team can hurt the other. The most and abbots comedy stars could get off on the gurney, right. In like, and what I was hoping for after the game in December was some interference from the league office or from the refs a Saint, hey, we're not gonna put up with this anymore. We're gonna crack down. Any more Bs starts to happen is going to be some major consequences because of it. We've heard none of that is as far as I'm concerned. This is good from the NFL's perspective because it's something that people talk about regardless of player safety because this is the most unsafe game of the year end. It happens twice a year in it's ridiculous. So yeah, I, if it wasn't primetime obviously, I think it would be a lot worse because obviously more implications on that and there's obviously more is watching. But this game is a huge, you know, barometer as to how both teams have grown since that day and I just want I don't care if I don't care. I just want one team to step up and just be the bigger person in this relationship. So we can just focus on the good things in football. The bad things with bad things with those injuries in this, the thing that we should not want to be regardless what happened in the past, I- plenty Bengals fans wanna see juju Smith Schuster injuring. I just think it's sick and I, I just don't like that attitude regarding this game and I wanted to stop and until it does stop, I just expected that will. You know, that's my thing about it. And I think you know, you see if you're on Instagram or social media. You see these guys, you know, after the game, they a lot of times traders even even though the rivals take a picture with each other. You know, they're, they're buddies some of them, I think Carlos Dunlap forget. Is it Reuben foster or somewhat not Reuben foster Ramon foster Ramon foster. Excuse me as I think he it was either he or somebody else in that offensive line went to Florida with them. So they're buddies from their Florida days. I mean, these guys know each other. They played this game just has a, I think it really. I don't know. When you say you could say the Carson Paul Palmer injury was the one that did it. You could say that wildcard game a couple years ago, but it it's just taken on a life of its own. And you know, like you said, people wanting to see juju hurt. I think that's ridiculous. But I do think that. Any plane. The Steelers have always every time they win these games Steelers, essentially, I, I like to use the term out physical, the veils they have and whether that's by intimidation by hurting players or attrition by hurting players or by pounding the football and just being, you know, the three yards cloud of dust and grind out a win type of thing. I get back to the Jerome. That is as if you wanna go back that far, they had just been more physical than the Bengals have been more. They've had. They exuded a more physical attitude than the Bengals and that to me is is, is the difference in this series between Marv Lewis in his days at the Bengals I would rather see. Rather see the Bengals come out with that intensity or whatever. But like you said, it's a fine line to walk. I think someone in our chat room called it controlled aggression was it was Greg or. Kasha was at. That said that, oh, Karl Benson, old school football, hopefully no Jackson's on the bangles side controlled aggression. But I mean, we saw this. We saw this thing and I don't want to harp on this whole thing. It just a major storyline, John. We've right. You go back to that wildcard game. You saw coaches pulling Reggie Nelson's hair. You saw Joey porter on the field in in goading guys. And I mean there's just things that that in this series have gotten out of control, gotten out of hand. I think to your point. The desire of injuries for certain player. I mean, that's just that's just ridiculous. And. You know, I really wanna talk too much about that, but the the bulletin board material is out, I guess where I'm going with this. Right, right. And to your point when it was my mum check, pull Reggie Nelson's dreads of joy, porter, antagonizing players on the field. I feel like I, it's right that from our perspective that we can hate that and we can say, hey, aren't they punish for that? But they feel the confidence to do that because they can just beat us. However they want to, and instead of instead of the Bengals stepping there gaming. The old fashioned way they've taken any approach that, hey, we just need to be the bigger bully, but at the same time one, that's when it's happened. These still having done any results. So their perspective, they're still the top dog and that won't change until they can just be in just a new way that hasn't been done before and just beat them. Fair swear straight about, play them with stray about play team that you're better than you better on paper than you'd better talent wise. Don't stoop to their level, be your man's situation and things will eventually push. It's a, it's a great point because it's almost like in it's an old football adage. It's almost like when you see a lot of personal fouls, right? Who's the guy that gets caught? It's the second guy, right? It's not. It's not the guy who initially does a little subtle Jabra a face mask poll or whatever. It's the guy who gets pissed off and retaliates, and it's right at right there out in the open and you know the rest of their to see it. It's it's kinda like the Steelers that stuff like come on, come on, come on in and finally the Bengals explode. Yeah, either either. Cost them on the field or by penalties are all kinds of stuff you mentioned beat beating. Okay. You mentioned beating them in a specific way playing them. How confident are you. In this year's team. If they are down on their home field, like like they were last week against the dolphins, if they are down in that fashion in the second half against the rival Steelers team that has largely own them. How confident are you in this year's team based on their comeback ability? How confident are you that they could do it again against a team like the Steelers, or is the psyche just too fragile? They're still, I guess we're gonna find out. I s before the season, I would have told you one ten now gimme like four or five, just because there's a certain level of grit that we've seen from the colts gain from the from the falcons game from the dolphins, aim of three, three, fourth quarter. Comebacks don't just happen. Novices level luck in there, but this is different. You know, different level of on. It's like grit or just nasty or just the ability to close games out. And when it comes to like the Bengals bluest team point leading insincere last year because they took their foot. Guess I don't think that that's something that we just expect this year based on a we've seen before, and if they're down seventeen Steelers, they're not going to be the champions, the guest in on the road against against division rival. So I would say that because the Bengals should be the Steelers baseball town alone, I would give them more of a chance now than I would have before the season began just because of the results of the shown so far this season. Okay. So no biology Gatien's again, it's it's still for those of you who dabble this podcast later in the week, the first injury report came out on Wednesday. It looks as if no, Giovanni Bernard Clint Boling didn't participate in Wednesday's practice. He's been the most steady offensive lineman. That's not a good sign. Tyler Kroft afoot issue that forced him out. Last week he kinda came back in. We'll see what happens with practice. We don't know about John Ross. How, how does that affect your opinion of the Bengals chances in this game bullets? Obviously the biggest one, because if bowling go, probably Chris from western new, we all love as as a potential starter, but to replace bowling. Those are big shoes to fill is going up against, you know, stiffened stuff onto Cameron. Haywood John Haro him three very towns guys who have always even the Bengals fits when they're trying to run the ball, the middle. If they don't have ju. Again, I'm fine with giving mixing Neo, another twenty touches, but based off what they salt, what we saw from last week when he had minimal success running the ball, the middle against the dolphins in the first half the guy get more creative. They gotta do more things in the second half. We're mixing alum, more success running formations. And I think they can around losing bowling, but it always will be easy to do. The Ross subtraction from the line of was very noticeable dolphins first half, because as you saw like when he didn't have that. Didn't have Ross stretch in the field. It was tougher for boy, did create separation underneath. Obviously, green had a great day because green, he shows on his own. But if it's even when Ross is in the ball, Bali still impacting the defense, he still when stress on the DB. So playing stress on those corners replying zone. One of the most zone heavy covered teams in the league. So obviously, you know, Rossi's impact, obviously impact as well. I wouldn't expect Ross to produce a lot if he goes for the Steelers, especially because he went off injury, but he does affect, you know, the the production of boy, the production of Dolan in ways that you know sometimes isn't always noticeable. Yeah, it's it's the, it's the defensive focusing and you're, you're absolutely right. I noticed it. Gosh, second quarter. I noticed it last week against against Miami, where you know, greens bracketed, and luckily some good throws by Dalton. Some very nice catches by greed kind of. Combo. There led to his big day. And then Tyler boy really had one big play using thirty one yarder nice, nice play. But other than that was kept in check after a really nice start to the season. So yeah, hopefully you know, then you don't have I for either. You know that that's other guy that takes away attention. So. You know, they got its start to get all hands on deck. Quick question, and then we'll get your prediction will move on John in this may just be a quick answer from you. I mean, Joe makes just simply a back that gets better as the game goes on, it gets more carries seems to start off. Slow seems to kinda grind out some tough yards early on. And then as the game wears on, he gets more touches. He almost seems to get stronger is at me or is that just a an allusion in a fake adage? NFL football, if you will. I, I wanna say it's the letter because I don't know who's specific analytics that can back that up. Obviously, logically comic sense the more touches than you get the more you'll, you have running the ball, but I, I wanna point to the colts game where they kind of just rain with Nixon throughout the game. From the start, he'd looked precious, Ellen, getting successful runs us after successful runs. I think what the best example, this is. Todd McVeigh is we not in Los Angeles, Todd Gurley who's running against, I think. I think like ninety percent of runs from personnel and he's had like ninety. One percent is runs have been with a box of ended. And that's kind of just like the prototype offense scheme to run the ball in the NFL now and obviously girlies running back in the NFL right now. So it's something that every emulate and there's no one of the Bengals shouldn't also do that, and it would also help makes gig going love more earlier because you know the running the balls mainly just numbers game. It's mainly about having that vantage in the boxes mainly about giving the illusion that you're spread out, spreading the defense horizontally, and then gashing the middle and when Nixon had success running into dolphins, that's exactly what happened. It just so happened that these finally started game. So I think it's more that is it's an illusion, but also it's predicated on scheme. Yeah, I think it's probably little bit of both. I do think that there are guys that just as you get more carries, especially running back position, you just get into a group and you start, you know, you start Joan. With your offense. Ivine good just part of it. But from mixing also gives off Trump into his offense line late in the game. It can give you an inch, so yeah, totally, totally. This is the orange Blackett center Bengals podcast. You get this show on Stitcher itunes, YouTube, since juggled dot com on Google play and art nineteen. So get the show where you can't. We're gonna get to some listener questions in a second. We've got a jam packed show. We had bride Davis on from behind the steel curtain to help us preview the Steelers game. We are still talking seals are gonna wrap abo- on it right now. John your prediction for this game. I don't know where to go with you. After I go first. Gophers, and I'll say no, no, no. God, I don't know why we're favored based off all the history with this. But I, I do think that will probably go down like one point the exiting to the half. I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm gonna say it when I'm going to say they win, not offer game. When you feel will say off the -fensive STAN, it'll probably be something like. A lot of feebles maybe like twenty six to twenty three. Bullock has like a busy day from a lot of inside the forty yards. If they can't finish in the red zone. I do think that the Steelers defensive baller -able despite having rekindled pass. I against Atlanta. I don't know, man, I think that with playing the best team AFC week after this I, this is something that angles can't afford to drop because I think it'll be a lot harder to face the chiefs at had stadium than than the Steelers on their home turf one o'clock at, I think the come out of the wind and I'm kind of going against my gut, but it's just the way it is right now. The gut gut versus heart pick in for those of you who do not know John is referring to the next week against the Kansas City Chiefs. Obviously, undefeated right now playing very well in that game dot flex to send a night where the Bengals just not played. Well, that's next week, though. Right now is the Steelers, I think, according, like you said, I think it's critical ridicule. If the Bengals wanna make the playoffs that they get out of this stretch this game stregic at least one at one he did. They need to get one of these games because you can't afford a drop division game and you can't afford to drop to conference games. You just in an all the sudden you're sitting there at at four and three. After starting for one that's like a big big difference. Yeah, especially if Pittsburgh deluge to Pittsburgh and they do start hitting their stride. I'm gonna say this and this may be a little bit of a cop. I think if most or all of those names I mentioned earlier on the injury report do not play. The Bank was lose. They'll probably would probably be hard fi game. It'll probably be pretty close. But if they're missing arguably the best offense lineman, they're utility running back obviously, title right for out of John Ross doesn't play. I mean, if all those guys are out, that's a pretty large amount to overcome against team that you just have traditionally not farewell against. I will say most of those guys are back. I think it's it's a barely Bengals win. I think it's probably a twenty three twenty one or twenty four twenty one or something to that effect to that they can get past the Steelers. Definitely not so confident about the week after that. But that's a whole nother a whole 'nother show. So I, you know, I my prediction is predicated on if and it's in those. If there are health, we're going gonna get to some a listener questions in a little bit. We're running up against time. You can text us for the time being nine for nine, five, four to six, two, four one is the number we've already got. We got techs yesterday, John. So people are excited about this week. So for now Texas, we're gonna try and get some calls on the line. We're just running up against time a little bit. Now we still want to try and get some questions here. We have the question of the night John. Have you had time to think about my question of the night about the linebackers again, if you're just joining us or. If you Dodd forbid fast forward through portions of this hotness I asked the question of the night and I'm gonna give you some of our listeners live listener responses to basically who who would have been the best in the what could have been linebackers for for the Bengals. I had to spikes who left after before the two thousand three seasons. Marvin Lewis never got to coach him in this renaissance. We have Odell Thurman who had outstanding rookie season two thousand five, but basically couldn't get on the field from there because of drug alcohol on all kinds of other personal issues. Then you have burbot has been the most statistically productive of the three, but his missed an immense amount of time with injuries, suspensions and things like that. So John. Who was kinda the what could have been the best, what could have been linebacker, who would have had the biggest impact based on their circumstances if wiping the slate clean. Our sub spikes and now ficials back. Talk about Brian Simmons on how loved him, and he conflict around the same time or little bit after two q two Kia was a little bit before my time. I never really got the see him at his at his prime when I was really following just started falling like early two, thousands always knew his head. He had a big Nick now that was like the one thing I knew about him and. I feel like I feel like Thurman had the best combination of athleticism and to nasty, and it was kind of playing at the tail end of that old school era, football, you know, like the lay 2000s was kind of like the end of running backs, getting new, three hundred carries a season or something like that. And you know it was before the explosion, the passing game and my God, man, he, he just flew around the field. And when he went out, obviously the defense, you know, drastically window, they were giving up a lot of explosive plays. What not. And I, I just feel like he was. He had the biggest potential over Gallic Bertha who never was quite the athlete that Thurman was and firm was productive. You know, he could do basically everything, and he was kind of playing at the right time for linebackers to be physical in in the middle of the field. Obviously, you know. What he did off the field was excusable have, no, you know, I don't. You know wh. What did it was that but saying strictly on the field, I feel like he was probably the best combination of all three and the time was kinda right for him to really elevate the Bengals defense to, you know, a much higher level than they were in the Carson Palmer air. Yeah. And you know, he wasn't the biggest guy, but he tackle he could make make those big, wow, turnovers while plays, unfortunately, only saw for your do wanna throw in asterisk, can I did see a couple of people mentioned this in the chat? Yes, there's Keith rivers in there too. That could be in discussion, but I think we saw from him. You know, we had kind of the one big injury. I think we kinda saw from him to kind of say yet, you just didn't have it. And then there's also David Pollack, but he was more kind of edgy rusher type of guy. He was another guy that unfortunately suffered a major injury, never. So he those other guys in there. I'm gonna say, spikes fan, and I'm gonna, say spikes because that was that in terms of tenacity, in terms of leadership, in terms of productivity, that was that was the Ray Lewis for this team was looking plug up. The middle, obviously probably would never have been in. It proved based on his career, but was never going to be the Ray Lewis a Ray Lewis. But he he couldn't have been a very productive player in this defense, especially in the early years when they needed more stability more in their early years were, you know, let points in yards. Forget those big turnovers. I think spikes would have stabilized that I saw someone in here saying. They thought spikes would have been a hall of Famer. I on that, but smokes been all Famer with the Bengals. I saw just talk about some more of these guys, Mike, Myers. Imagine birth before all these new rules players could tee off the Sean Blankenship mentioned perfect in the eighties nineties. He was that kind of linebacker for sure. It was Jason von Stein that said, spikes spike stay with the Bengals. He would have been all Famer. I mean, felt like installing leaving the Bengals diminish the chance of making the hall of fame though because he get career after the Bengals. Right. I think it's just, you know, unfortunately, he bounced around teams. He seemed to seem to come on a team when they didn't make the playoffs in left. And then that deemed the playoffs right after he left, whether that's an indictment of him or whatever, I don't know. But. So he didn't really get the postseason experience, but he would have probably had some of that with Cincinnati in those early years had he stayed probably would have been through some of those those better years. Early Palmer, ears as really good years. And you know he Simmons. You mentioned Brian Simmons a vastly underrated player with the Cincinnati Bengals. He Simmons work very, very well together, their their skill sets complimented each other in their first couple of years. So that is something to kinda take take into consideration as well. Obviously it keeps by she don't really need draft Thurman and all that kind of stuff. But to me, I think it spikes in for you, you're saying Thurman and I, I don't think there's a wrong answer here and who knows perfect. Even though we miss time again this year he could come back and play like a Pro Bowl player. He played pretty pretty decent last week against the dolphins. So we'll see. 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Good to hear from you been been a little while here before we get to your question or comment what we're gonna ask you the question of the night, and I don't know if you were here when we asked it basically, it's kind of who would have been the best in the what could have been linebacker. We asked if spikes to keep those fights stayed from two thousand three on if Odell Thurman kept his nose clean instead with the Bengals awhile or vaunt as Bertha CT, if he had stayed away from injury and suspension issues. Who do you think would have been the most productive Bengal linebacker bar? None. And. Of. Yeah, and that's yeah. What what could have been with that guy? Geez. Well, what's what's on your mind and what can we answer for it? The. No matter of the evening. But. On dr. Under president. We yet when in and. Of the. Brad. At the end on year on. And one on my. Down the. The now, but the playoffs in the matter. Absolutely. And like I said, these are two Huey huge weeks coming up here against the Steelers chiefs respectively and two big games too big litmus tests for the Bengals to really prove kinda where they're at. And you know. It's kind of like my co host John said, at some point, you guys start winning these games in order to be re. I mean, even even the people that are raking them high and all this kind of stuff, what what's what's the Asterix Asterix they always give at this point right now. Well, you know, they can't win the big game. They can't win the big game. So I think I think this team more than anything, aside from talent. And showing some intestinal fortitude. I think they're showing. You know that they. They're not phased very easily. You know, they just they can figure it out. They can come back and in a lot of different scenarios and get a win your prediction for this week's game before we get you out of here, fatal. Twenty seven. All right. When all right, you've heard it. You heard it from fatal good to hear from you again, man, hope those hoped those boys from the u. or treating our right. No, the comeback by. Well, that's good weekend for them. Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Again here from you callback anytime in hope you can join us weekly again, fatal get here from anybody. All right. Thank you. He can day that's fatal content. Giving us a call in the on the orange black insider line. John, you know, he's, he's been a longtime listener. So he said in the YouTube chat that he wanted to call in and I hadn't heard him for long time. So definitely wanted to hear from him. I wanna get to some of these texts here. Again, we had one yesterday on people are so. Mansi is living his life outside the podcast live the best life bro. Well, to be honest, this, this is from someone from Hawaii. So we had someone from Miami just calls in. And then we've got someone on the other side from Hawaii say, you know why is mellow. They're just they got a lot of time to think about. It's from by the way I was in Maui this summer. So a love why I'm big, big Wai Chee who day from Hawaii and this is a good one. I think for you specifically, John, can you talk about the impact? Alex van pelt has had on. Antidote. And there's a reason he says, there's a reason why Iraj wasn't so happy to see him. Go in Green Bay Aloha everybody's talking about eighty Dalton's uptick in play rightfully so everybody sign my Bill as earn, how he's putting Andy Dalton in a position to succeed. Nobody is talking about Alex Pell. I think that is a gigantic, get image. It Ganic piece of the puzzle. Am I wrong about that job now? I don't think so. And you know, I kinda Gough at the fact that. The greatest quarter, the various throw the football times upset of lose his corvette coach when he's like thirty three years old. But I think there was some type of impact that Rogers had with with them and the the biggest thing with Donna's this I saw like on Twitter, like don't stats against the bliss is pass rains like top two in the league. And that's impressive at all, but it's it. That's not that's not anything new with dole specifically. He's always been good at identifying, let's tree snapped going to the higher hot reads quick getting the ball quickly and leaves officiency the problem. Dawn was dealing under, you know, in the pocket kind of collapses. When you know it's not a bliss wins, like a four, three men rush. And that comes to the testament of extending plays, you know, getting your feet reset after dotting rushes. And that's something that Rogers arabists the Packers is so great. And that's what makes him such great players that he's able to extend plays going. His left going to his right kind of makes his offense align better because he's able to avoid a lot of this sex, some extol. And that's the biggest improvement that we've seen from volume. And that could easily be attributed to impelled techniques of not him better techniques to face pressure the face. You know four, three men blitzes when they're trying to contain him and just making play on his own because he's done a fantastic job this year compared to the first seven years of his career in that very well could be a of impel. Great, great observation in terms of Dalton under pressure, and you know what, what he's been able to do. I see a lot more accuracy on the run as more Steph rollouts and stuff like that. I think that's all. I'll think it's obviously laser of plan to strengthen potentially weaknesses up front of the offense of line. But you know, he looks comfortable elba's and he looks. He looks. I think you know, we can look at. Delays are lot for sure. But I think outs fan pelt is a guy that definitely has had an impact. We've got one more call and then we're gonna. We're gonna get outta here. It's from our good buddy. It's from our good buddy Terrell. Right Terrell. How are you sir? Good. Did you hear from me again? What's on your mind? About this. Pang. Thank you. Lately, you start. Now. Our act. With. Yeah. Already banks. Patrie until again. Interesting. Let's. Are making. Yeah. So a by a lot of metrics all gone chime in here in just a second to buy a lot of metrics. Jessie Bates is one of the top. If you like pro football focus in their their scoring. He's one of the better rookies this year. They're like German, James, all kinds of guys. Nothing. I think so. A lot of the I allow. Out of the game. Patches of condition. I'll of men about smart. They have nothing. What I was on. You know about this as again, you you, you're in person, you person for a helluva game there. Terrell hope you had a good time and enjoy the Bengals comeback win. We're gonna. We're gonna get you off the air here and talk a little bit more about Jesse. Bates three shifts calling in his usual, enjoy the Sunday. My friend. All right, good friend, Tyrrell call on the show. I wanted to ask you about that because you're a bit more of a film guru than I am John. It's funny to me. Either he mentions Earl Thomas and maybe even Eric berry and stuff is at, you know, as early on with Jessie Bates is look like to me, it's been very, very quiet, but he's had a couple of interceptions and I think part of it is because the Bengals of wet up some points big plays on. I've seen some confusion a little bit back there, but I, that's interesting that he noted that he saw him telling Dray where to go. I also saw guys. Go up late in the game, pre snap devante birth to get confirmations on the read. I'm talking secondary guys and other guys, two or three players at one time came up birth to make sure they had the right read, obviously, noting perfects football like you in how he diagnosed plays your thoughts, Jessie Bates your thoughts on birth value because of his football, IQ and bases. You know, leaders have qualities is football intangibles. It's it's kind of like the on the unsung reason of why they were so confident with giving him George l. spot. It wasn't just because you know he has more range in better ball seals. Locate a handle. A single has safety alignment with also because you know it just only twenty years old. He's actually turning twenty two woman recording this. He's turning twenty two and a couple of hours. So in twenty one years old, he came in immediately took the reins as one of the leaders in the. Secondary as one of the players on the whole team. And it just like Tyrrell said, he's getting guys position. Hanney's diagnosing place immediately n he's making plays on the ball, and you know, for the lack of success that they've had in terms of giving up a lot of plays in the passing game rate hasn't really been targeted that much. And that's because he's able to cover so much ground in these able to take away deep crossing routes, able to cover a lot of ground in very minimal time. So not only has based produce on the number sheets, but he's also you also produced with his brain, and that's very important. That's kind of why they decided to go with him over. I look at him when it comes to fix, you know, I, it's not just the energy that we talked about, but it's also the fact that he can. He can minimize his lack of athletes with the way that he replays in an instant and make breaks on the ball and. If he had the athleticism lewke, he'd be right up there with lewke, but he doesn't. But because he has the intangibles in the Rian react skills of an all pro player that allows them to being such inscriptions. That's why people of rally behind him. You know, to make sure they're, they're the right spotting of the, he's he's like the data. They're basically even though he makes a few bonehead mistakes, but it was deaf notable at towards the end of the game. You know, birth account of kept everybody together, kept that defense strong because he only given up ten points or all game. So they had a pretty good game now because birth jailed altogether in the Mason, crucial plays in the run game in the past game because of him getting back into the swing things. Those grades as well. Yeah. And. We talked about last week how you know when perfect came back from a extended period to start the season before it was against the Steelers, hit a monster, monster game against the Steelers, and it helped the Bengals get that win. Luckily now the Bengals Bertha CT has a week to knock off the rust kind of get used to things as we go into the game against Pittsburgh and he's not traveling, you know, so he, he should be primed for a pretty decent game, I think. And I would hope. So, yeah, good stuff from Bates. Good stuff from Bontes. And you know, I think interestingly enough and I can call it a coincidence coincidence or not. But the Bengals defense was giving up twenty eight point two game going into Sunday. Kickoff, punt return, not withstanding all that stuff. They gave up ten points upon vaunted perfects return against the team that was three in one. Yeah, maybe not the most prolific offense in the league, but. You know, it says something, it says something to his value. We'll see if that trend continues going forward. We're gonna get outta here and I just wanna give some final thoughts. You can comment on this John as you. And I know this is a labor of love. We do this. For the site. We do this for the fans. It's not something that. It's not my day job. It's, you know something else that we do because we left the Bengals. We love the fans in the in the readers in. Every once in a while you get some comments that really pep. Yup. And really make you feel good about what you're doing and that was tonight and I want to, I just want to. Throw this out there Dangelo hanker since welcome to the jungle, which is a very long name. He writes, follow this podcast. This is the best podcast in our live YouTube chat. And then he says. They, Carl Benton falls it up with these quote cats do a good job. I like that. And he said, yeah, they do a great job, honestly. So very, very much appreciated from you. And then John, you got interstellar calls it the favorite part of of his weak, and he follows it up with. John, you're my hero and father. I'm glad you are now a regular on here. I'm assuming east talking about you. So, yeah, you you, you're the Darth beta. But we appreciate the comments guy. Seriously, we we do this. Yeah, we do for us. So we do it because we're fans, but we also do it for you. That's why we love hearing from you on the text line call align serve. We can get to more tonight. We just ran out of time, but Jonah just in case you didn't see that in a YouTube chat to share that with you. I thought that was very cool to hear from some of that as well as getting some old faces back like John from Kentucky and fatal contents from previous previous podcasts at, I've been on having them follow. So I don't know. I just wanted to share that with you, which I thought was very flou- on this that these guys are willing to listen to ninety minutes of this podcast. It's a long time in it's a lot of it's a lot of content, but you know, we work hard doing it in just just just a quick note for me, whatever happens on Sunday be. I told I asked for the team to be the bigger to be the man. In the comment section, if you on like Steelers, s Phoenician cited for Twitter, just just be civil. We'll need to make this any worse. Now, I've confidence that our listeners are are the good guys. They're not going to be the guys the rile people up, but be a good example online interacting advanced matter what happens because we don't know, obviously want escalate things. We want to make this better when make this rivalry better in the best way possible. So. It just just be the bigger person don't inside the conflict, the neither person to to resolve it. That's all I can ask. We're not talking about getting up on her soap boxes. About. You know, high mighty holier than thou. But I mean there's also the the facet of the people that go to the games. You know, there's just going to be jerks that go to the games either way and and all that stuff. So just you know, you don't wanna be the guy on the on the on Twitter feeds that you know involved in some weird fight in the stands and all that kind of stuff. Just, you know, trying enjoy the game. I know there are people out there that are just jerks regardless in, especially when they get some beers in their system, it exacerbates. But you know, trying to be like Johnson, trying try and enjoy this game in this. This is been an enjoyable season in general. It much much more enjoyable season than the last two. So enjoy the ride and enjoy Sunday, regardless of the outcome there still a lot of games left including another one against Pittsburgh that you know the the Bengals could potentially. You know, potentially steal from the Steelers later on just real quick. Again, Kevin Evans, my favorite podcasts bangel show. Thanks so much, Mike. Matthew wait Smith, John is all over killing it. Yeah, you are all over buddy. Jason. Von Steinberg ratio guys was a pleasure listening, Brandon? 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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' glass is half full heading into 2020

Behind the Steel Curtain

29:59 min | 9 months ago

Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' glass is half full heading into 2020

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She got a loved that before I jump into the title of the program and the topic and the topic of this particular program is a year I said it. The steelers glass is half full. I am concerned with Mr Third and fifth better known as Mr Gummy Richards. Antonio Brown is and this is from a place of being debt being a father I just hope he gets his life in order because he has young kids that are dependent on him and and I hate to see beyond football that he spiraling out of control so although he blocked twitter. You know I'M GONNA send prayers out to him that hopefully he gets his life together And I'm looking at the comment from tie all Bagga So Yeah I. I'm hoping that everything works out with him and his family that at least he gets to a place in his life where where He's not putting that all I in jeopardy so hopefully Mr Gummy Richards. Mr Third and fifth. Can Somehow you know right. The inner demons that seemed to be playing out because he looks like a law soul without football although he's done everything to jeopardize jeopardize his ability to play football. But let me get into the topic. The steelers glass is half full. Now if you don't know about my background I'm a graduate of Carnegie Mellon University and I'm also a graduate of the University of California Berkeley Kalfa Ball Go. Oh bears because of that I tend to to bring an analytical framework around football. I'm I'm not an analytics guys so to speak but I try use numbers to try to explain most things so I try to come up with number based answers to the eye test so I'm old school so I'm turning fifty this year so I'm solidly rooted in eye test but the Carnegie Mellon in the UC Berkeley background makes me find a quantitative answer to what I see with my eyes and if if it isn't there that I look at it again so that that's kind of the background in the backdrop of what I bring but preparing for this show you know I tried to do and get into my inner egghead my. CMU My my CMU MY UC Berkeley get into my are inter. EGGHEAD Also can code in several languages sewn and so forth you know I'm an expert database design so on and so forth so I tried gotta get into my head stuff. I try to do my best day. Scofield the Stat Geek Guy Big Dave Scofield. EMBIID Bros goaded awesome show on a no fly zone it just about how much steelers pass offense has improved so I try to do my inner Dave Scofield to try to find a statistical typical reasons as to why the steelers glass is half full not half empty but the more I look at it and I really took a look at Saks. I looked at turnovers. I looked at a lot of different numbers and metrics in and and at the end of the day I didn't really come to find one particular metric one particular or number that made me think that the steelers glass was half full. And what made me think. That was a conversation conversation that I had with the editor in chief Michael Host of the standard of the standard days. Jeff Hartmann and in the conversation. He was just shooting holes in all of mine like numbers. Arguments coming up with specific scenarios goes in year but this year. They didn't win because they didn't get turnovers this year. They didn't win because of injury this year. They didn't win because of This in an NFL season while the modeling around win shares predicting winds and all that stuff. I don't understand like I don't understand it like because it's too hard. There's too many other factors to try to predict winning. Wait I'm Jillian Weinberger. Who's the impact podcast from? Vox about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season. We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president in twenty twenty hit this opioid crisis head on public option move away from Moslem field energy energy efficiency and it's going to be a Great Wall and it's going to work. A lot of those ideas have actually been tried before like that. Wall trump wants to build the GAL Arizona had one on its border for decades. I don't understand why individual people have a right to have a fence offense and yet a country can't Senator Warren's proposal to end the OPIOID crisis it's based on what we did to fight the AIDS epidemic. We would like to name met the Ryan White Care Act and the green new deal. Germany tried something similar in two thousand. This is solution this season on the impact. We have those stories stories. How the big ideas from twenty twenty candidates worked or didn't work in other places or at other times? These are the stories that will help us understand Dan. What might happen if these proposals get rolled out here in the next four years? Subscribe to the impact on Apple. PODCAST or your favorite podcast cast APP to get new episodes. Now but what I'll say is. This is other than having a healthy franchise quarterback in my opinion. There is no overwhelming predictor of success in the National Football League. Let me say that again if you want to predict if a team is going to win and win consistently it takes a franchise quarterback back healthy franchise quarterback now. They didn't go to the playoffs the year that they went nine. Six in one right with the healthy Ben Rothlisberger. It's not a guarantee that you're going to get to the Super Bowl. stunner guaranteed GonNa make the playoffs but look at the teams teams that have had success particularly in the AFC just look at the representatives in the Super Bowl so before you got Patrick Mahomes I mean you were talking about without Tom. Brady Peyton Manning Ben Rothlisberger and I believe Joe flacco Patrick Mahomes. That's five guys. That's five guys. All those guys are franchised. Guys except for Joe flacco obviously But they're all very good players and flacco was a very good player for for awhile. Couldn't play on the road. But is Joe Flacco so if you have a consistent quarterback that's the biggest indicator of success if you want to predict something in a good looking for the steelers is. They're getting their quarterback. Now that's where it gets tricky though because when you're talking about half full that's where I'm hedging. I'm saying maybe a quarter full and because the a big mystery is been robbers Burgers House while I'm GonNa put it back to apple and I know I'm going to keep it at a half old not a quarter forward eight four the sixteenth or one thirty second one Nasdaq Analytical Get stuff that's coming out a little bit but because I trust the ownership in what to do brand what do Brad I trusted ownership. That's what it do. I trust the ownership. I trust that if the Rooney's are fine and the Rooney's are comfortable. Then I'm comfortable. Why wild comfortable? They're trustworthy. I trust what the Rooney say. I don't feel as if they're Rooney's are selling me a bag of gummy richards or richards. Anyway I don't feel like I'm getting sold a bag of gummy richards. It's or Richard Gummy gummy richards. I like that better so I don't. I don't think they're pulling the gummy richards over my eyes. I don't I I feel like if they feel comfortable where where where bin is and the progress of whatever it is that I feel comfortable because every season like Jeff said it's different. It's its own story. It's its own book now. Do I think that the steelers are going to go out and lead the the league in number of turnovers like they did. Do I think they're going to lead the league in sacks no although they have led the league in fact the last three Chris Seasons they've gotten almost a hundred sixty sacks under sixty five sacks and three seasons unfortunately they've only made the playoffs once in those three seasons. But if the Rooney's feel comfortable with where Ben Rothlisberger is I feel comfortable with it. And if Ben Rothlisberger comes back. I don't don't even think that this defense has to play to the standard that it did last year for them to have increased success. That's why I think like the glass ask is half full. Because whether he's thirty eight. Thirty seven whether this is fifteen sixteen year been as a franchise first ballot Alad Hall of fame quarterback. And and that's better than any free agent you can bring on the roster. 'cause we've talked about the steelers cap issues. So if you tell me you have a franchise hall of fame quarterback on deck that you're gonNA bring in the next year that means your glasses have full automatically automatically. It's half full now. You can't say you can't PLOP been into last year's defense somehow shake it up in a ball in come down with some configuration says. Oh yeah they'll play like last year on the you put I've been in Louisville buying bloom now ernest now. You can't do that because the jazz point every season again is its own season. But Damn it's nice to have been rothlisberger coming back and you guys know. I have been hard a Mr Ben Albert. Mr Miyagi the selfish guy. I've been hard on him like I've actually been hard on been I've been been probably toughest critic you know business done some turt- like stuff The passive aggressiveness throwing teammates under the bus on radio shows. Yes all of that exists but ben is worth being the number one draft pick. Think of it that way. It's like you're getting a number one draft pick people complaining about the steelers. Don't have a number one traffic or they weren't till make it was really good but think of it. This way. The return of Ben Rothlisberger is like getting a number one draft pick. It's like you're picking the best quarterback in a drab Joe Borough Scrooge Obihiro. They're getting been wrong burger. He's a proven commodity. Been Rothlisburger is the best player that you can acquire on a team in twenty twenty. He's better than any free agent out there. Burger to super bowl champion. That is coming back to a roster that is loaded on defense and the reason why you can't bank on the defense being the same is there are significant free agent questions there's a whole. Bu Debris issue the shave our hargrave issued a grave digger. So those are why you can't just plug and play and it should be what it was last year and it's no however getting Ben Rothlisberger back is exciting exciting as well as it automatically makes the glass half full automatically. It is not half empty. When you bring back your franchise quarterback and Nass what the students are getting back? The only way it would be half empty would be if he was injured or when he came back his injuries left him compromised still and he could not play quality football than twenty twenty. But I don't believe you've got to be the case. Because again I trust the ownership and I think the ownership if they had issues with it they would be forthcoming and say or they they would make moves that would dictate that. That's how they fail. And it would be very transparent like they go draft a quarterback early or they go get a quarterback in free agency. It would be so obvious that his injuries were in issue. But I think they're going to be pretty transparent about it more transparent than they have happy about the state of the injury so so I trust where the ownership is in the ownership feels comfortable about it so until talion to sum it it all up the steelers glass is absolutely half full in twenty twenty but before I get to the live chat again I want on encourage you guys. If you have any questions you hit the super chat feature you can jump to the top of the queue. But I'M GONNA roll it back 'cause a lot Chad is actually Ah presently at this time I is blowing up so I wanna I wanNA start from the top. I WANNA give a big shoutout to tie tie was first I in big up to tie Entire ask why you gotTa make me feel that way land. I don't know I can't recall what I said even five minutes ago ago Dragon Big Up Dragon. Jay Z dragon his out there messing with the bodies. You gotta be careful. When you're with the bodies you gotTa be absolutely absolutely careful tie is a funny do some of the other comments That tie but I'm gonNA show this one comment No I'M NOT GONNA show she'll attack because you're a bad boy but that's a funny comment. Michael o'malley wrote gummy riches. Forced to get help now. I hope he does get it. I mean in all L. seriousness. I I hope he does get some help. Prayers out to him and his family. Cause some of the stuff that we've seen you know it's an indication of a man. That's spiraling out of control. So I want to comment. On Mr Big's point in terms of the steelers glass half full any commented about the offensive line and the running back position and and I'm interested about the running back position does not give me warm fuzzies. The Office of line does not give me warm fuzzies fuzzies as well but I think the steelers are going to figure out a way to keep filer and Finney and if they keep both ah those than it'll give me some warm fuzzies out. Here's another comment. Said I wouldn't have guessed that Big Swap codes. Hey Man hey you know what y'all surprise you got gifts and talents man. I can rap I. Can you know I got skills. I could free style get busy as you on the Mike. I could get busy with the fingers. Coating could do database. You know brothers a talented. That's all I can say. I am poppy my own Collar Ping you're not got Lok yes. I've got some talents. I was blessed. I'm not you know you know I got handed out a few things Animals Standing Doc. Astor you guys love me to you. I'm GONNA say that As well Let me jump into this question by deal with it. Wow that tells clever deal when I love that Atlanta anybody else. If you haven't seen Raffles Burgers twenty twenty steelers. Pump it up on Youtube. You've got to watch it funny. But he got me all pumped up a great watch. Well I need to watch it. I need to get pumped up. Because I'm excited about Ben's return and you know I mean it's like I've taken for granted I'll be the first to admit I've been really tough on him to a super high standard and you know I think it it actually is going to jump on the White Horse Ryan with the Cape and get busy next year but but I hope he I'll be plays in a way if this defense is very is similar to what it was last year that he plays in a style and fashion that caters to a defense slinging it for five thousand yards. I don't know if that works WCHS To Mike o'malley point eight nate without starting. QB that's Dang good in so I would think that but you know you can't just you just can't pop into the mix and everything's the same you know seasons change You know Minka may not be the dominant player was last year. You get to fall back from TJ. So things change. It's ever evolving but I would I would surmise that it because I think they're going to offer but Caprio tag order GonNa tag him off from deal and I think we'll be back and so I think the defense will stay intact and still be pretty pretty good and then one thing that we have seen as they can get pressure. You know you keep getting pressure in good things happen and I agree with steelers respect ninety. I think Ben has has a least one quality year left. But I know if there is any fall off and Ben's performance the way his salary structure I it. It'd be interesting. All although the steelers at Penn were on another team to say this if his performance format fell off what he's old in the final year he would get way but. I don't think they were ever do that. I think I think Ben Rothlisberger will retire as a steeler. You're he'll never play another uniform he'll never They'll never let him get free agency. None of that. Let me jump into the point from Cairo. He said I think I think if we draft a quarterback in the second been will play one last year and have that cube developed and then Ben will retire and continue right where we left off. They already drafted after that Guy Darrow did day already drafted Pretty Mason Rudolph Pretty Pretty Amazon Guy. Premium radium is the guy. He wasn't second round. He was third round but the but the draft capital of the day spent the day spent for him. He's that guy I mean Y- yeah I mean He. He is that guy. They already done that so if you don't think he's that Guy Hoops oops so you know to Mike. o'malley point to deal with being moving to change put in twenty five is enough sir. Lancelot I think you gotTa Score Twenty seven points a game to win the Super Bowl. That's just where I think it is You look at the teams are in the playoffs this year. You look at the teams that are in the Super Bowl right now. If I'm not mistaken so I can correct me in the live chat I think depot scored over twenty eight points per game. So Oh Like we're getting bit with bowl. Said if they take a quarterback in the second he's GonNa lose it. They're not taking the quarterback in the second I I don't think Mason is necessarily the guy but I know that they're not investing in a second round second round quarterback no way no way a APP -solutely getting bit with Bo. You know I'm looking at his background. Bo Is there any way you can beautify this when you could put some steelers stuff in the background anyway. I I'm sure you work with Jeff so blow get back with Jeff. Let's make real beautiful. Thank you for all your assistant saying your help Brad Jewish chimed in Juju was an outside receiver. Route running high physicality hands and comprehension to break off route. He's outside receive one thing. He does not have as outside outside. Receiver is what the Kansas City chiefs receivers have in abundance is speed speed. If you WANNA be an ex receiver you need to have speed. In my opinion I think there are some body types that are prototypical of XS Antonio Brown Mr Third Third and fifth Mr Gummy Richards played the X.. Receiver but I think he was a generational talent. I mean he could get away with it because of his allusive in his get off an inability to get into his routes quickly but in my opinion XS looked like Julio Jones. I mean that's with X.. Receivers look like they looked like Keenan Allen Chemo female not the fastest guy McCain big well actually Keenan's not not an ex receiver. He's he goes everywhere but I think Julio is the classic x receiver outside the Numbers Combat Catch Guy High verticality catch guy lot of speed topping. You know you you know. That's what I think James cowboy s When was ICM yours at CMU? From Ninety two to ninety four I was at Cmu. Liam you I went to the high school. I got my master's degree in public policy and management from CMU so I graduated CMU in ninety before. Ironically I graduated in the same synagogue That fell victim to that heinous crime in Pittsburgh. So that's another Arctic bit in my life James Cow boss said he spent many of their Flagstaff Hill. Well Yeah I did not. I was a Grad student so I did not. I spent plenty of days at Panther hallows in Drinking Purple hooters and getting getting wings and fries at does down when I spent a majority of my time and at Silky and at other places in Pittsburgh if you if you know any of those names you offer Pittsburgh I just dropped some Pittsburgh names for all of you Let me look into the live to see if there's more stuff in there Dez Bryant went. No Way Dez is done. Put a fork. In Dad's desk get no separation but had the body type of enacts Dez at the body type of an Exa. But I don't think there's you know guys was having issues getting separation Late in his career so no Data data. I don't think that would be a way that they would go. But offensively I I think they have to have a better plan around tied in And I think they need a better back particularly when you look at the division you look at the back division when you've got mixed in you've got Ingram And you got up up you've got I'm trying I'm I'm forgetting the name of the Kansas City wide receiver. That was just a believer rested Former Kansas City chief Not Wide Receiver running back. That was just recently arrested Kareem Hunt I mean Brown's got Kareem Hunt and Chubb. I mean come on I would well you know I did a show of wider steelers. You signed Kareem Hunt a while back but You Know Dad's is a red zone guy. Yeah I get what you're saying getting bit with bow but the thing is you gotta get to the reds on first and sometimes there's a lot of distance between where you start and where you finish he he. He's not the guy. Thank you steeler. Fan Nineteen for Kareem Hunt You know so. Thank you for that Getting bit to bow said he went to the art institute unstamped. Look you guys are now dropping resumes too on the live chat You know it you know anyway. That's absolutely funny. But yes I do. Think the steelers I I still think that direction is still pointing up for the Pittsburgh steelers and I think largely because us. I'm confident that they ever really good coach staff particularly after what we saw the coach that they did to get this team to eight was absolutely outstanding I think when you get Ben Rothlisberger back couple with this defense. I think the sky's the limit for this team. So I absolutely we think that the glass is half full Like with bricks at covered. Three engage a defenses. He tears up. Yea I mean you know. I do not disagree with that but that listeners. We're going to go ahead and conclude the program. 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Next Man Up: If success is gauged by championships, the Steelers need to make changes

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Next Man Up: If success is gauged by championships, the Steelers need to make changes

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We're going to start to do Try to just fill some space when I have the time and give you all some new contents and fresh content so the next man up today this episode the focus is change. The focus is on change. The one thing I kept on thinking about and if continued need to think about since the Pittsburgh steelers two thousand nineteen season ended is how everyone always says the same thing over and over again. This is the steelers. Success S. is not based on playoff appearances. It is not based off of winning seasons. It is not based off of a season that it is not have more losses than wins. The steelers success is gauged by one thing championships and this is typically when the fan base will point to the six super bowl trophies and and rightfully so. Because it's been a very successful organization however however the one thing I kept on thinking about in was. The crux of this episode was simple if championships is how success is gauged in Pittsburgh with the Pittsburgh steelers and the Rooney family then change needs to happen period. You can't go into the twenty twenty season status quo in expect anything different to happen. Now let me start off by saying that. I don't think that let me rephrase that. I'm they should not fire. Mike Tomlin if you are in the Hashtag Fire Tomlin crew. You just might WanNa turn the episode off now because I'm not in that crew in. It's not because of a fan kind of Mike Tomlin. I like Mike Tomlin. I don't think there's any way anyone in their right mind could say that after this season in two thousand nineteen that you would want to give Gilbert head coach but that doesn't mean that change should not in could not still exist. Let's talk about it. Next Man. Up Change is necessary in my opinion heading into twenty twenty. Let's talk about the coaches. Now I don't think any of the coordinators are going anywhere that includes Danny Smith that includes Randy feeder that includes Keith Butler and already people in the live chatter saying start with Randy. The please please been trust me. I was frustrated with rainy feeders. Anyone was listen to our podcast all throughout this season. You heard me talk about randy land. In what what that means and how that can impact. The overall offense is a whole but I don't think they're gonNA make change. Because of Ben Rothlisberger. This has been well documented. How close they are dating back to? When feeder was the quarterbacks coach in it's also been already reported by Jeremy Fowler of ESPN at the Pittsburgh steelers planning on retaining randy feeder? But that doesn't mean that change is always in the form of subtraction attraction. Did you know the Pittsburgh steelers. Have One of the smallest coaching staffs in the National Football League. Maybe it's time for Mike. Tomlin Tomlin for Art Rooney for Kevin. Colbert Assuming Kevin Colbert will be back for twenty twenty to sit down and say navy. Some of these guys need some help. Maybe we should have a quarterbacks coach in. That shouldn't be the job of the defensive absurd the offensive coordinator to both coordinate. The offense and and get a get the quarterbacks prepared. We saw that when Ben Rothlisberger quarterback that's different. He might not need quarterbacks coach after all the years of experience he has logged dog in the NFL. But when you have to turn to Mason Rudolph Devlin Hodges not having that one coach. That's there to help them and to guide I'd them. That might be a difference maker and let's be honest. Mike Tomlin seemed like he was very much. Okay and on board with Mason. Rudolph being the backup Bob. Moving forward if that's the case you need to bring in a coach that can work with him. Even if that's his sole purpose is to help Mason Rudolph become a better quarterback to understand the NFL game better than it's worth so coaching changes don't always have to be the subtraction it can be by addition it can be Adding in someone someone that's GonNa be a run game coordinator. This is reportedly reportedly is the keyword. Here reportedly this is something like munch acted as the offensive line coach. When he was in Pittsburgh Bert he was the run game coordinator? So you don't have that now and if you do maybe you WanNa bring someone in. That is a fresh set. Said of is again help is always. I never think help is a bad thing. As long as you're hiring the right people some might say that. The addition of Darrell Austin last year made a very good addition to the defense in terms of the secondary in their takeaways in the way that they view things. Now we don't know that in in terms of details what he isn't isn't doing in regards to Keith. Butler is the defensive coordinator but the one thing is that again. Again addition can be changed can be good so they need to start with the coaching staff. Be Willing to add some fresh faces in be willing to say you know what we need some help in this specific area in. That's okay so that could be step number one in terms of change because change in my opinion in in case you missed the beginning of this little monologue was all about. Change is necessary of success while we're gauging the Pittsburgh steelers haven't been the Super Bowl since two thousand eleven. It's we're going into twenty twenty folks period period. I think the other place place that the steelers need to make sure that they are okay with change. And that is with the way that they handle their roster player. Turnover is a part of life in the National Football League. But we've seen it time and time again at the Pittsburgh steelers have been a little hesitant to let those one. There's one or two players go to say you know what maybe this wasn't a a good addition. Maybe this wasn't a good contract now. They've done it in the past. You know admitting mistake like Dante Moncrieff most recently but sometimes they'd been very stubborn in this area. If you'RE GONNA make a move and I think change is going to be necessary in terms of your roster. You'RE GONNA have to make some moves. Think of a move like bringing Steven Nelson. They don't have the cap space to do that. What you WANNA keep debris nj on her? You've got to create some space into that means. Sometimes you gotta cut ties you got to cut ties straight from the top and so that would be a player like Ramon foster who can save him four million dollars towards the cabin twenty twenty. It's declining your club. Option on Vance McDonald. which would save you about six million dollars? It's saying Mark Sharon thanks. We appreciate the one year of you being on this for the team. But we're we're going to let you go the to make some tough decisions sometimes and even though you're looking at okay. We'll Barron did play a lot in two thousand. Nineteen you hope. The Devon Bush could fill that that role in twenty twenty. And you'd have to see okay. It is that work. Is that what they WANNA do. These are the types of changes that can impact act team in the long run so by eliminating players like that you then create salary cap space where you can go out and maybe make a few additions whereas is right now. They're bellied up to the Kaplan it and it doesn't look like that's GonNa change anytime soon barring restructures and things of that nature which is an option certain players like Joe Haden then Rothlisburger even so you need to make sure that you're OK in willing to say it's time to cut it. Cut ties. Yes it would be a bad look if you bring in Mark Barron for one year and let him go. Stephen is saying Anthony Check close another one. I agree one hundred under percent because these players are they worth the money that they're making because in my opinion someone like Anthony. Hello is someone that you can find those players in the National Football League especial teams guy. He's GonNa play sparingly honestly and I said this during the season check the twitter account plain and simple. I would rather see Ola. Get those backup reps than Anthony Glow in Ola. Making a whole heck of a lot less so you have a lot of situations where you can just let these guys go. Just let him go. You can find players like this in the draft and or free agency. It doesn't have to be all the big names but one of these one of the things that change can income from is by creating space you see other teams do all the time they lead players walk. They don't go after these players that you would think they would and teams like New England even Baltimore. They lead players. Go at fine go. We'll we'll we'll fill in in. We're going to get a compact for you and all that stuff and so you have a situation where you have a lot of players that could really be retained. I'm thinking about players like BJ. Finney hargrave the grave is another one. If you want to try to get a long term deal you're GONNA have to create space you're going to have to create space and so being willing to to make those changes. It's not always easy. 'cause you develop relationships with these players they know the system but sometimes that's just a fact of life in today's National Football League speaking of players another area that needs some change that is player usage player usage simple. This episode is sponsored by calm the number one APP for sleeping meditation by now. You know what a healthy diet and exercise can do for your body as you consider what training your mind can do for like every other part of your life. 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You throw in Trey Edmunds if you want Ralph Webb all these players that are on the current roster the offseason roster now. I don't really feel the need for the steelers. Have to go out and get someone if they're willing to change and to go to a more running back by committee style of offense. That's it if you're I'm GonNa sit there and tell me no James Connors the guy and we're going to make sure that he's preserving him in the preseason and training camp job he's not the guy he is a good player when he's healthy and so this is one of those situations where Mike Tomlin and I say okay Mike Tomlin because he is the guy here. Mike Tomlin. This is when you step in and say you know what we're changing our philosophy and honestly he's a guy guy that he will will always say impressed conferences and you can just look at his track record. He is a guy that wants to have one back in Nazis guy. And if you need a break then you bring someone else in one thing that you need to do. Is You need to be willing to make a change. So yes you could use a draft. Take on a running back. I could think of about five other positions that I'd rather draft high in the draft running back and so I don't mind the stable of acts that they have right now I I do mind how they're using them period. You're telling me that Benny Smell. I think showed me a lot towards the back ended this Ted. This past season Kerr. Th White is a change of base guy. Jalen Sanyo's good third down back in James Connor. If he doesn't have to carry the the load. I like those running backs I really do but you have to change. How using them period you have to you change how you can't sit there and expect the J. that James Connor is GonNa Walk in in twenty twenty and all of a sudden developed the durability gene? It's just not in his makeup right now. So you have to prepare for change in. This goes back to the coaching staff. If you'RE GONNA keep Randy Feeder Randy feeder is going to have to show you. Did he can make these types of changes period. I don't care if Ben Rothlisberger prefers one back you put out the backs that are GonNa make give you the best chance to succeed and other. NFL teams have proven that running back by committee. Ken Succeed in today's NFL. You just have to understand how how to utilize your backs to keep everyone healthy. Everyone said James Caan would be a great number two. He could be a great number one as long as that one in two and three and four four are used in more of a you know a situation where it's more by committee so change in terms of usage in defensively. I don't have too many complaints about that. But you know what it's going to change is going to happen on that side of the football whether you like it or not either budget pre is not going to be back. John Hargrave might not be back will steph onto. It'd be healthy again. These are all situations of the coaching staff is going to have to really maximize in terms of saying okay. How can we? How can we change? How can we adjust? You saw that a lot. I felt on the defensive side of the ball in two thousand nineteen. There were certain games where they would have Mark Barron Devon Bush and Vince Williams old on the field there were times where they had multiple safeties on the field back. When Cam Kelly was on the team he would be out there as a third third safety? All this stuff happening shows that they are willing to change in really maximize their chances to actually win. They need to do that on offense to you have to be willing to do that. On offense interchange purposeful change. Don't change just change. That's one of those things did. You can't just say well. We're just GONNA make changes because we need to make changes you need to make. Changes are going to help your team win because let's go back to the title of this episode Risotto. This podcast and that is if success in super bowl championships is what the Pittsburgh steelers base. Everything on then. You can't tell me honestly whether you're watching live in this live in live chat or you're watching and repair listening audio platform does matter. You can't honestly tell me that wherever you are listening. What they've been doing is working period period? It comes down to the fact that unless they're just blowing smoke and it's one of those situations where Art Rooney the second when he meets with media and Mike Tomlin when he meets his media and they all say the same thing look. We failed veiled because we didn't win a super bowl the wheel only one team can win the Super Bowl but yeah well guess what. The steelers have sniffed the super bowl in a long time. That's that's just that and so if the steelers are serious about making changes then maybe just maybe this team can turn the corner and become a Legitimate Djinnit super bowl contender in. What I feel is a very very wide open? ASC Change Not always bad. I always think about the the scene in one of my favorite movies. Growing of Wayne's world where Garth is developing the fake hand the artificial hand hand rob. Lowe's character comes out and says we're looking to make some changes. He was what we fear. Change in the little hand starts moving. He starts bashing the Hammer. We don't like change. That's a steeler. Sometimes we don't like change. This is the way we've always done it. You know we're we're all about tradition. I get it I get it. I get it but change is necessary if this team wants to win another super bowl look at what the Ravens did talk about. Complete overhaul overhaul of their offense. They had a little complete overhaul of their defense. Change is necessary if this team wants to win another super bowl. I'm not saying you fire Mike Tomlin. I'm not even saying that. You fire a coordinator but those changes that I talked about our changes that need to happen period need to happen not not could not should need to happen. Hope you enjoyed that little rant there in this next man up podcast. Now's the time I opened up to you in the live chat. And maybe if you have any questions about the team moving forward maybe changes you. Do you think should happen. And maybe we could try to come to come to grips with what needs to take place for the Pittsburgh steelers to get back to the postseason but it again not just to the postseason. That's not the steelers tradition. You know what I mean. Everyone's like oh Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season. That's great. Get A win super bowls super bowls and Lance Williams. Who says let me bring us up here? Incremental Change Your major change. I think to me it's just incremental change but this all hinges on one of the biggest one of the biggest ifs in recent history for the steelers can Ben Rothlisberger comeback and be healthy. I don't know I don't know I dove. You've no one knows I did a whole show on that. Is the Ben Rothlisberger saying he wants to come back. I know he wants to come back. Doesn't mean that his arms going to be ready to come back their yacht. We'll see we'll see and lance was asking my playing hooky. No it's snowing here. Got Home early. Thank you very much and so I figured hey I want to go anyways. So hey but what better. Time than the present. Zack puts four ninety. Nine in the tip. Jerry says big Big Ben mccullers needs to change his diet. I don't know if you're talking about big Dan mccullers or Big Ben Rothlisberger. I think both could probably make some adjustments adjustments in their nutritional plans. I say that as a personal trainer. I'm not worried about then in lansing. I joke about him all the time. I am not worried about him from a from a conditioning standpoint because I think that he is he'll be fine. I think you'LL BE I. I am being one hundred percent honest. I think he'll be fine in that he is He's he's he's GonNa come in shape he'll be fine he'll be ready. He actually has a lot of time. The long offseason long Ozzy's all right What do we do with Ben's contracting visas and fully ready to go now? That's something that on. Last Wednesday's the standard is a standard a lance. talked about the the dead cap hit. They would. It wouldn't be as bad as you would think The situation you hope you don't have to get into period. It's just one of those situations that you just hope and pray that Ben Rothlisberger it comes back and he is you know you just you. Just hope that he's he's healthy and it is arm respond well to the surgery and that he is healed and he is is able to throw all the throws and all that stuff so I understand Mike. o'malley says a joke. I get it to joke. But there's a lot of people that are also have emailed me and make comments on the Youtube Channel saying that. They're really they're really ticked off about the Big Ben bashing a chestnut hill fine. I just wanted to clear the air there so inputs. Five dollars a tip Ayar. He says they need more coaches corvette coach outside linebackers coach. You Know Snowman. I agree with you on the quarterbacks coach mentioned that earlier but at the same time do they. We really need an outside linebackers coach. Joey Puerto Leads Keith. Butler takes over and they get amazing production from their outside linebackers and twenty nineteen. I'm not sure if they need in outside linebackers coach i. It would be great but you'd have to find someone that has a history of doing the job and that's the reported. Never had he did it. He did as a player. Obviously but as a coach never did it. Kevin Greene available. I bring him in. Let him let him. Teach T.. J. Watt in who maybe but deprave. He's back let him teach him some stuff. That's a hall of Famer. He knows what he's doing. He's coach position that's key. He's coached the position. So keep that in mind. Okay you bring up Kevin Greene. I'm Jillian Weinberger. 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Wasn't good this year so tough to say tough to say But I kind of wonder that as well you know I kind of wonder what exactly you know. How big of an impact is it? I don't know and I don't know anyone will ever now On until 'til unless they fire someone like Sean set. And then you're thinking okay. That was bad. That was bad. So we'll see we'll see how that pans out Earlier earlier in the show I had someone asked what position should they target in terms of free agency and In the draft. While this is this is tough too. Because you don't first round pick but at the same time you have A situation where. What positions do you prioritize neck? That's free agency and the draft. That's whether you'd have a first round pick or not. What position do you think that the dealers need to target the most? That's the debate in. That's the tough part. Because you're GONNA have. I don't think they're going to be at the steelers are gonna be able to bring back. Vj Finney I think. Just like Kevin Beecham just like Chris Hubbard. They are going to have an issue with keeping him in the fold because he's going to cost too much money. They don't have that much money so I think they're going to be gone. I think he's going to be gone. So you're going to have no depth in the interior offense of line in. I have talked about this us on our shows. The past weeks Ed Bouchette. Who's now the athletic piggybacked off that I'm not saying he listens to our show? I'm not that dumb. But he also piggybacked piggybacked with how they can maneuver some pieces on the office of line around so that you don't have a big issue. So for instance at each take mad filer. Hoosier you're right. Tackle move him to left guard in then. You could have szucs core for Anzac banner vying for that right tackle spot. The problem is that you still don't have a backup backup center okay. So it's one of those situations where feiler has proven that he can play guard. Some say he's better guard any as a tackle but okay. What what else can you do you could? Potentially Ed Bouchette brings us up in his article. You could move of corridor to left guard just like they did with Ramon foster when he was a rookie but at the same time. You're then digging into the depth of your offensive line and the steelers have had pretty good success. Finding some players LIKEB E J Finney. Who was undrafted at Kansas State? Who have come in and and been there for a long time and been consistent? I'm not so sure that they can do that all the time but at the same time offensive line is a huge need tight. End is huge. Need if you're still talking about positions that you want to target in the offseason in some way shape or form they have no title depth than if you let Vance McDonald walk. You have even less tight in-depth because guess what you have Zac Gentry in N. don't forget that they have no other the The net is a free agent as well so they'd have to sign him that it's GonNa cost you more money. So so they're tight. End Position is bad again. I said I said it earlier in the shell state again on. I'm not sure that running back is a priority. Everyone wants to say stated to me. I think that it's more about candidates. Team actually changed their philosophy to match what they have at the running back position. That's more survey running back by committee. West says Jeff. Let me ask you this do we. Do we know whether or not we have starting center month has gone by. We sooner. Nothing bounties mysterious knee injury. Well we're not GONNA know anything about pounds knee. He did not oil. According to Mike Tomlin in his end of the season and press conference he did not state that he would need surgery so to me if this was a situation where pouncey hit tours. ACL or Stephen had like a meniscus tear or need surgery probably would have come out. So I don't know what his knee injury is. He's going to have a long off season. I think that he'll we'll be fine Then again I could be wrong and Talk Ben Rothlisberger coming back if town he can't come back and BJ vinny walks. You're in in trouble period. You're in trouble Frank Crocuses Jeff this is all great but it starts with the ownership and the head coach. Mike Tomlin is wasted. Great talent several times. This is being the head coach so obvious look. I'm not saying that my talent is innocent in all these mediocre seasons that have been going on recently but I don't think he is the main problem problem either period You may disagree. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but at the same time. I don't think it's Mike Tomlin's issue especially into the nineteen eighteen Lance Williams ask are the steelers super bowl contenders with a healthy Ben Rothlisberger. I'm hesitating on purpose. It's not that's not dead air. I didn't freeze up on. I'm going to say yes with a healthy Ben Rothlisberger. Why because I think that if if everyone has if Ben Rothlisberger is healthy and the office of line returns pretty much intact? I like this dealer skill position players. I liked deontay Johnson. I think James Washington is improving. I think the Juju Smith Schuster healthy and having someone like Deontay Johnson next to him will only help him in. I think that you have a situation where you have a quarterback that's GONNA put the team in the best position to win and and Lance says we knew you would say yes Hashtag homer I get it. I am a homer and identify big time other than big of Ben Rothlisberger Fan but at the same time. Everyone says it all the time in that. Is that you know. There's so much stuff that goes on with a quarterback in terms of getting the proper protections in all list stuff together. That could be one of the reasons. Why the offensive line Kinda took a step back this year then Rothlisberger? Although his skill set might be declining and we don't I don't know that the his arm strength and all that stuff but if he's healthy he also brings with himself a slew of experience to get his team in the best position in to succeed. There you go so yeah I do think I do. Think that Ben Rothlisberger if he's healthy that this team can be a contender but it has more to do with the defense than it does with the offense is it. It's just that if Ben Roth asperger's playing they're going to probably average twenty points. A game came in. What did we always say this? This season scored twenty and win right. That'll be all said score. Twenty and win. So what I'm saying. Is that Ed's if Ben Rothlisberger is healthy and that is a huge shift said that a million times. I shouldn't have to say it anymore but here I am again. It's a huge. If if Ben Rothlisberger healthy this team's should be able to average twenty points. A game scored twenty and win. That's why I think they they would be a legitimate playoff Ansi ruled contender because in the AFC. I think it's wide open wide open and that includes Kansas City that includes Baltimore that includes New England. It's everybody this. AFC In my opinion is wide open. So why not the steelers but it all starts getting big Ben back getting healthy we I get it so all right you more questions here before we call it a show surprised by how many people were here at this time of day. I feel like if you're supposed to be working. That's not my fault. I appreciate you joining us. I will take this time to tell everyone if you really want to help the program a already had some live chat super chat features where basically what is someone. Don't donate money to Pergram. That's how we got these. Blue Yeti microphones for everyone. A your money that you're donating. 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I feel that the steelers should know by at that point in time. Ben's health now if if the steelers are like okay this isn't good the quarterback cam really throw It's just not a good situation that maybe do but at the same time. I'm not necessarily going to say that. That's a priority going into the offseason season right now period so I- Jalen hurts. I'm also not really sold on him. As a quarterback Dave Scofield who joins US deputy WTI editor he says free agency or lack thereof will help determine draft needs. Because that will happen. I March eighteenth is the first day of the new league year. That's when all the players will be moving around on new deals new homes new teams. And so you have a situation where you'll kind of find out really soon. What exactly is going on with the health of Ben and where else who are they? Losing what what position will be of need so we'll be diagnosing that throughout the offseason getting that with those as I see that we hit five thousand subscribers. What we're GONNA do to celebrate? I don't know we should do something she do. A giveaway some kind of yes. Thanks to everyone we did get get to over five thousand subscribers live on Youtube. That is awesome. I really can't. I can't fathom out quotas land tonight can both say say the how crazy it is. How far this youtube channels come in? How far we've come as a little community? It's awesome so we thank you all for that Really really really appreciate all the support. So all right here we go couple more questions before we call it a show away and says that celebrated by shaving my beard. Yeah it's not going to It's not gonNA Matter Yinzer Life seventy-seven my bosses coming wait. He went down the hallway. Never mind if he were watching this line of work. I think that's flipping awesome. You know A steelers content steelers steelers content. Right steelers West says karl-josef keeping on that name. I'm telling you right now. steelers at huge interest in the draft in him the steelers would assign him edmonds. Days started are numbered. I'm not disagreeing. They did have a really really high level of interest in Joe's of coming out of West Virginia but at the same time. Do they really need a safety. I don't think so you know I I really don't think so I I understand everyone's frustration with With Terrell Edmonds. But at the same time I don't think that's that's the biggest need just. Don't if if you're a defensive needs there's really not many Depends on you know if you keep a guy. Like Hilton in Cameron Sutton's behind him You lose J von Hargrave or if you lose the debris again those are all going to be as they come type scenarios micro molly of this thinking he said. Let's go for six K.. I liked that we should try to get six thousand subscribers by the by the start of the regular season. That's that's what. I think that it's a bad goal but it all starts with you'll helping share share share share West says that yes Jordan dangerfield mark. Zalin our backups. I get it. You're looking for death. Maybe they've done crazy things like that before but they'd probably also have to pony up something to get Joseph I will remember that name. I knew exactly what you're talking about. So we'll see real traces Jeff. Whatever happened to the situation situation with Joe Haden contract let walk as he signed a new deal prior to last season? so He's under contract. I believe for two more years and and I think that Joe Haden could definitely restructured his deal. The Way He's played in. Why would you let them go? Why would you let them go? I think Mike Well Malley hits nail on the head when he says my frustration with Barron. I think barons a guy that you could let him go in one of those situations where Barron is just. I don't know if he's not advertisers. Play playing out of position. Maybe he would be better suited for that third safety type that Cam. I'm Kelly basically did Until he got caught instead of the inside linebacker role to light for that inside linebacker world the sewers have some tough decisions to make. And we're going to be with you every step along the way. It's about thirty five minutes. I've done my time. I appreciate everyone. One that has been a part of this show. This next up show was just kind of on a whim. I had a couple of ideas. Wanted to throw out there and put out there for their podcast viewers and listeners. Owners in this is what we came up with. I will be back next week. Took last week off. I couldn't I felt like I couldn't talk for more than ten minutes without coughing. My head Eh. Because my family. We're all sick over the holiday so I feel like I'm back maybe not better than ever but I'm back and I hope that you will join us in all of our podcast Tonight this Tuesday Dave will be on to verse Tacky with big Bring Big Bros go say that that five times fast on the steelers tacky degree talking about the SAX numbers. That'd be interesting middle afford a hearing what they have to say about that tomorrow. Night myself and possibly Lance Williams will be on on for the standard is a standard Thursday. We have the steelers preview. Fridays Lance Ye. I said it and then Saturday it will be myself for a steelers burning question. There you go all right folks. Thank you for taking the time. And listening to some steelers talk remember as Lance Williams always tune in tele friend and and subscribe. We will see you on the next episode of next man up.

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

Behind the Steel Curtain

14:33 min | Last month

Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

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Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports check it out. It's sports betting dime DOT com. Pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back another training camp recap. I'm your host, Jeff Hartmann Co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com, and the Pittsburgh steelers after a day off on Wednesday. We're back on the grid iron at Heinz field on Thursday and it was plenty to report about the Pittsburgh steelers. A lot of people wondered if they were GonNa practice due to the social issues injustices going on around the country. A lot of teams canceled their practice postponed their practice steelers decided to practice as scheduled Mike Tomlin spoke about the social issues after the practice you can read about that on steelers dot com to give you a quick summation. He said that he his team, the organization look for. Basically more than just a statement they WANNA make a positive change, but they did practice and there was news from that practice. But before we get to the practice, what I typically do is because you have to remember in such strange and Weird Times of twenty twenty in regards the covid nineteen and restrictions reporting I like to go back and talk about everyone might have spoken to the media prior to the actual workouts, and then we'll get into what happened at the workout. So first and foremost, we heard from Ben Rothlisberger today that is right the franchise quarterback. Future Hall of fame quarterback spoke today and he talked about a lot of different things. He spoke about on Wednesday I. came out of nowhere leads to the general public that. My Gosh. He, they released this Docu series. It's called bigger than Dan. If you have not seen again, you can see it on behind the curtain dot com. You can also just go to youtube in surge bigger than and it's maybe fifteen minutes. But I tell you what it is tremendous I mean remarkable. What they did was they went all the way back to the two thousand eighteen you have to remember where they were. Antonio Brown talks his way out of town Ben Rothlisberger is getting dragged through the mud. It starts there goes all the way up until Darrow Drake's death training camp in thousand nineteen it talks about the injury depth in Rothlisberger was asked about this today and he. said the basically he and his wife start to document things have a surgeon, their phone, and then the age his agent said, why don't we add some professionals and make this thing good and it is phenomenal. So I know that's on really football related. But if you're a steeler fan, you've been itching to get something that's football related. This is awesome other than that. Rothlisberger spoke about a lot of good stuff he spoke about his contract and. If, he would actually sign a new contract. He said right now he's just taking it year to year because you just don't know what's going to happen in last year was perfectly a perfect example of that rainy feeder also spoke and he talked about how Rothlisberger has been pulled on kind of a pitch count yet he everything has been great so far with his elbow Rothlisberger said, he's making throws that he didn't think he could make A. But he's really getting those deep passes dialed in is great news across everything that's coming out of news from his health and his arm and his elbow has been one hundred percent positive but feeder said they still have to be cautious. He still a an aging quarterback he stole a quarterback that has a lot of throws on that arm, and so for that reason, he is someone that is they have to keep that under control so to speak. One really interesting chase cables hype train is just tilt right now I mean everyone's talking about Chase Klay Pool and the steelers circle I don't know if he's getting the national media attention that he is in Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh everyone's talking about the rookie receiver in the second round Notre Dame number eleven chase clay pool. And Randy Feeder is asked about his relationship with Ben. Rothlisberger Rothlisberger has been there for a lot of rookies. You know that have really paved their way in made a name for themselves whether it's antenna Brown Emmanuel, Sanders, Mike, Wallace, Antonio homes. on in terms of the receivers it, he has been a part of his rookie but the funny thing is is that cripples relationship is really growing into a very unique one with rothlisberger and it was sometimes at the age old saying is your best ability is your availability feeding her said the his rapport with that report, his report meaning clay polls rapport with Ross. Is Unique. Why? Because he's always there he hasn't missed a snap. His conditioning level is high he super smart and he's making the transition seamlessly. Therefore, he says. The opportunities are coming his way. So again, his best ability is his availability. Now, we haven't gotten to see any eleven on eleven action with the Pittsburgh steelers training camp we don't get his. Views from the Chuck Noll field seats were fan is taken his cell phone camera out and he's filming their red zone or he's filming the two minute drill or they asked Rothlisberger Hey and these eleven on eleven sessions who's been winning you know. Rothlisburger made it simple defense He said the defense wedding. Now he might have just said that to say that, but ultimately, he also could be saying that because they are let's not forget the steelers defense is pretty elite. They are a good group. So if you can score on this group than my goodness, it's it's you're doing something right now yesterday I'm sorry on Tuesday after the training camp recap on Tuesday before their day off Wednesday. camp. Sutton was kinda highlighted as the Swiss army knife is what I call it in the recap for behind the steel curtain dot com, you can do so many play seventy positions inside outside safety nickel. Drop down the box he can do it all for the steelers secondary. There might be another secondary player that is really trying to throw his hat into the versatile ring being a you know the more you can do and that would be none other than Marcus Allen Marcus Allen is a safety they've been using him as at Mark Baron type role, the athletic heavier on here's a heavier bigger safety. At Penn State, he was considered a thumper run downhill play in the box tackling machine. He might be one of those guys you see move into that role. Now Mike Tomlin said after practice he's not really ready for that to say that he's ready for that move yet but they're definitely trying him out there and giving him an opportunity to succeed in capacity so that's exciting news their next I Talk about some injuries, the steelers got a lot of players back after their day off the following players were back on the field in some way shape or form after their day off on Wednesday Juju Smith Schuster. We've got a couple days off back Kevin Dotson. He's been out for over a week with a knee. He was back in the limited basis same with the Andre Johnson. Jhad jukes. For was back limited over the groin. Wendell smallwood limited with shoulder terrell edmonds returned his injury was undisclosed Chris warmly with shoulder star to work his way back and Vance McDonald tight end who had a day off he was back on the field as well. However, they did have a couple players missing Eric Brown missed was illness and then those that were previously injured the remained out of practice were. I'm sorry Derwin. Gray with a knee karat white junior he's considered data day He's trying to work his way back Alex. Myers. The Join Ryan Switzer's considered day to day with foot CAM candidate. Miss a long snapper was a knee and Derek wide. We found out from Tomlin. Had Surgery at some point and he's working his way back. He's he should be good to go by the week one. The newest injury would be none other than Anthony McFarland the rookie running back fourth round pick out of Maryland he suffered a concussion and will enter the NFL concussion protocol, which means that he's probably. Out For at least a week, and then once he clears that vertical, he'll be back out on the practice field. So there you have it all the background knowledge of the day was and steelers training camp. Let's get to the actual training camp report, which is produced by the Pittsburgh steelers, and here's what they said. Nose tackle Daniel mccullers. Big Dan. The Shade Tree received loud and emphatic praise from Tomlin, on two occasions for his work in the drill. The steelers to work on coming off the ball at the snap. A large portion of practice was devoted to special teams including tackled to the ground live kickoff returns in coverage, which has rarely if ever been the case Anthony Mcfarland and Ray Ray Macleod worked as tournament on McLeod's I grab took the kick worked up field made one cut in the whole and ran to daylight much to the pleasure of the players standing on the sideline. It's kind of a catch twenty two, those a quick sidebar when a player makes a big play like that in practice your pump because he. Made a big play. You're also upset that the team that you play for also was the one that gave up the big play. So keep that in mind plays. Care Chris Basel's Lake had a busy day on field goals. He made kicks from forty, forty, one, thirty, four, forty to forty, five, fifty, an forty, eight yards on his own during the live portion he hit a fifty five yard attempt off the Right Upright and then drove the post it landed high up on the net seems like his leg is alive. Ray Macleod also got plenty of snaps at wide receiver and continued to make plays. He did drop one, but he made his share of catches including an ice twenty or reception over the middle from backup quarterback Mason Rudolph. In another example of how Ben Rothlisberger continues to show no issues whatsoever with the conditioning of his throwing arm, he executed upon fake to create an opening for Judas, machines down the seem for a longing, a safety by trade as we said, Marcus Allen was running inside linebackers Jerry also ask you the inside linebackers coach was giving him tips and conferring with him throughout practice. Then he's junior got the best of alum on several plays in the running back took a pitch in the defender tried to keep him contained. Snell lowered a shoulder and ran over Allen by taking advantage of his aggressiveness when Tom and. Match Snow Juke down to the inside and made a mis- on a third straight matchup between the two snell down again, and then Snell ran him over on a fourth Rep. Maybe not such a great start for Marcus Allen Wilsey, maybe more impressive to getting himself more playing time is able to sniff out a blitz corn blitzing cornerback and stuff him on a team drill chase klay plummeted ice diving catch the end zone during seven shots seems like that's a common thread here fantasy football owners keep your eye out for chase label safety Curtis Riley had an impressive pass defense on a throw down the seam and seven seven tackles. Zach banner had a pretty good run blocking day during a live scrimmage. He made an ice block my Hilton allow James Connor to get thirty yards. Connors participation early was limited because the steelers wanted an extended look at Anthony McFarland. But later in the practice, connor is getting the ball and showed that he has picked up a little speed and quickness off season. Man They give you just enough to get you really really excited. You know what? I mean It's funny when I finish these recaps I'm sitting here thinking to myself man I'm excited for football start. I cannot wait for football to get back but it'll be here sooner than later you know it that we were back and it'll be exciting in the meantime I. Really Hope The a enjoy these and that you be are taking turning tuning into our podcast on our behind steel curtain platform. Remember you might follow us on Youtube and that's great. If you do go to youtubecom search bt SE steelers radio. subscribed to the channel like videos we really appreciate that but. 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Game. Seven.

Around the Horn

23:30 min | Last month

Game. Seven.

"Say Father Tour Clinton Yates. Great to have you here gambling is legal now right. So why are you? Still doing the wink wink wink This is an born play to some. All is this is the only excited big from last night I if you the over, you just died seeing that to point out steelers twenty six giants Sixteen Rob Burger Three touchdowns in the return from elbow surgery associates around the Horn to you is ben back and if that is back or the steelers back. The question is what is back actually mean in terms of the steelers, are you back to the team that could not get past the Jaguars the SEC title game or you back to the team that that you're starting to see with a tie to the browns? That's the question because look this team made the playoffs in a while just because Ben is completing passes and actually moving around the pocket decently well, or some people would say like a bear who just got shot by tranquilizer gun busy mean the steelers are suddenly relevant the person who Along this field for me, the most was Benny Snell. Told you all back at Kentucky days was going to be a do Ronald. Backfield he is the guy that impressed me most but I'm not getting to pumped about beating the giant Okay Benjamin, stay healthy on this field for a whole season. What do you pay same question to you is Ben back does that mean the steelers are back? Yeah come on. Then give some steelers love today I mean Ben Rothlisberger Golfer a year he comes back and he has a successful game and he throws three touchdown passes even runs for eleven yards and he looks like the old been rothlisberger not an old Ben Rothlisberger what about that defense and the job they did all Barclay and the running game i. don't know how in the world you can't say that they've returned at least looking like the glory that they had two or three years ago and I don't care whether it's against the giants or you and me. Well you should care if it was against you and me but public story. Ben's return the steelers back. Yeah I reject what citing eleven rushing yards as the sign of anything but. I do lean in his direction on this because the old Ben Rothlisberger Clinton looked old he always kind of looked like a bear who's been tranquilized always kind of look partly mummified but routinely he ends up throwing a bunch of touchdowns and leaving a more than capable offense and this Ben Rothlisberger did remind me of that dude who was lumbering around very stiffly. That was somehow always good offense. So the steelers. Offense is going to be fine. The Defense Tony Though is the story this defense is going to make these steelers back in the ways at their fans actually want them to be and that's really the bright spot for them. All right. So you can glean something from the defense that held saquon Barkley the six yards he had eight negative runs. That's your New York football giants, Bob what's the deal of that? Yeah I need to go like good will hunting here, Tony and address saquon. It is not your fault. It's not entirely your fault at least because those numbers are abysmal their humiliating. The only thing is big as his squad was my disappointment. All of that is true. He was hit in the backfield eleven times. Healers defense they're were subletting an apartment in the giants Backfield, and if the offensive line of the giant is going to be like that, this is a larger problem plaguing this team that's going to undermine how good saquon is and could be. Would you from the giants? Giants, look like a team source to figure out what they're doing. I mean Jones's every single time. He progresses he does something to make you so angry that even as a non giants fan, you want to leave the field, they got a thirteen play drive. Then just throws the ball up recklessly and you think is going to be any progression here from an in game standpoint I'm not that worried about it. If I'm a giants fan because hello, they didn't play the preseason games and we know what kind of season he's coming off a last year but it doesn't look good right now. What do you page? Clinton says like Alfred Newman what me worry I'd be worried I was giants Fan Jason Garrett comes in there he was with the best rushing. Running back in the league and Elliott comes to another one doesn't need bring anything from what he found out in Dallas with Elliot I didn't see anything novel out of what the Offensive Coordinator was doing Daniel Jones on that second interception when he through that balloon that could have been intercepted by four four steelers is he seeing ghost again I'd be very scared if I was a giants fan. Here's the thing on Saquon Barkley. You've seen it before guys have had historically terrible games. I remember Barry Sanders once was about this May a negative in a playoff game before it happens to the best but. To start a season like that, it's just such a Gut Punch. We'll move on. Let's talk about the start of the season for your Denver broncos woody page. And how they closed out these Gabin didn't call. Was Up with this. So this is the Gostkowski MIS- mis- MIS- MIS- make game Vic Fangio not icing Gostkowski that using timeouts before that the whole minute before broncos could got the ball back with a minute left instead seventeen seconds was all they had to try to come back and win this game. Fangio. Defended his time management after the game. But what you said as you sat down, he kind of walked that back today his availability with you. So let me ask you this. Did you'll blow this game for Denver. Oh. Absolutely. I remember asking him about a week and a half ago what he learned from being a rookie coach on the sideline to this year he said because of all the off-season problems, he didn't really think there was many changes whatsoever well, it. There weren't any changes laidlaw three games in the last thirty seconds last year in similar situations and did it once again, he left the stadium with his hands and two timeouts in his pocket this morning he said, well, maybe I should have called a timeout after. About the one twenty mark and he didn't do it, and so I think the coach has to accept the blame and he didn't do it last night but now years, and if that's what he's going to be like the rest of the year, he's going to have some serious problems keeping his job for a third year like Vance Joseph did when he was here, he lost it after two it's A super problem with the way that he went about it but as a strategy overall, I, don't like it. When NFL coaches rely on other teams to make mistakes as a way to try to win games, it appears just assumed cousy was going to miss it other kick or his defense was going to make a play, which is why they didn't try to get the. Ball. Back on offense with anytime however, it should've lost that game on that pass to the end zone it was the ball got dropped. So all of this is wash I'm concerned just not a smart strategy going into it and didn't show enough confidence in a team that has a pretty good makeup as far as I'm concerned and had a chance to win this game. Pablo. And there's another mistake that Fangio made Tony Remember. This is Mile High Righty Finnair. They have a kicker who hit a seventy three yard field goal albeit in practice, they were seventy four yards. So. You would've tried by four young kick at the end. Okay. Why not why don't you have one guy in the one and the opportunity which makes plausible sense and you don't even try that was the most heartbreaking part of it all for me. Yeah. What you said, no team has a home field advantages here except for Denver right because they still have the altitude based and you've seen McManus kick from that part would you have tried to field? Goldie. Wally, if I'd had called the time out, so I would have gotten into range that is reasonable fifty even sixty yards he's hit those data but I think that it was just totally blown by the broncos and specifically by Fangio because they didn't give themselves a chance to at least have the ball for a minute a half in altitude we knew that the tines looked very tired Y- hadn't had any preseason games they were they were ready to be beaten in the Broncos to take advantage of it. Anybody on the titans. The team you saw last year in the playoffs that you see them last night. Yeah but that's the thing it my. So last year in the playoffs, a team that was. Out of the football, grinding it out and having to make feel goal when you're not making field goals that's a problem. This is apparently able ball which I don't have an issue with in itself, but they've been figure that out I realize the hall of Famer and you're not gonNA cut him after week one although some teams did but they build out of the situation there but they're gonNA have to figure out just the only way we can play because it might not work sometimes this. Hall of fame. Okay. let's move on. Would we just talking your broncos giving the game away but the game you're watching tonight for Denver. Game Seven. Let's go. I. Have to mutual right out because you called this series over. K You bailed on your hometown team but. It's not over because the clippers are collapsing away. No team has ever back to back close out games they've blue fifteen they blew nineteen point second half leads and the nuggets have nerve. What's the one thing that's swings a game seven Pablo Tori I'm not gonNA woody I called the series over Pablo story you. Look, the story of the clippers should be their depth. They have all these players who are quite good but mantras Herrell has been abysmal eleven points in the last two James Lou Williams, the other sixth man of the year that they have the second one on their roster also sub mediocre those guys aren't going to hold their weight. The entire reason they were brought in to shore up that team in Leonard and Paul George maybe aren't going to score forty points in the same game together if those guys can't do it, this is a massive massive problem of course. So this isn't about the stars for you. This is about six men. This is about the rotation for the clippers about Euclid Yates. I mean, looks. Pretty good job filling in for twice as far as I'm concerned he's been on a milk carton but overall they shot terribly in the second half of game six and Patrick Beverley fouled out which is a series factor in terms of what that was able to do from a team defense standpoint look if. He doesn't even know what his team is going to bring from night tonight. As he said, I've thought exactly a lot of confidence in them but this is why we say it's a maker mislead they gotta make more shots 'cause they're a better team and their transition defense get him into their offense better. They just have to do that better. It's executing what's already they're not changing anything about. What he paid, you've already called the series over, but it's not, and now your team Denver is in a game seven. How do they get here and can they? Can they make it three straight to win this series? Well, first let me say the to airs Human Tony To mute. Is Inhumane. So to get your point. These guys are not aligning about the stars you gotTa realize that there are two key guys to this game. Tonight. One is on the clippers and that's Paul George he kind just shows up disappears throughout this entire bubble time in Florida I think it's important that he has a big game because we know Leonard is go for thirty points and eleven rebounds on the other side. Jamal. Word Joe Murray's. Got To help out the joker he is a guy was scoring fifty points at the previous series. He's going for fourteen points now. So I, think if you're you're not talking about six men and eight men, you're talking about two stars that have merged tonight and I think the the the nuggets have exceptional chance to beat the clippers because the clippers showed that they just can't play in the second out. All right. So then the answer for you is whoever wins that that best of to matchup whether it's Murray and Yokich or whether it's George and Leonard is going to win the game and you're giving the nuggets of a punchers chance or picking him in the game woody. I'M GONNA go with a plunger. Publicly, you got. Jimmy the clippers. Clippers can figure this out because doc rivers isn't going to let them lose. All right taking a break right here when we come back a punchers chance for what he paid by herself. Over two point three million people are in jail in prison today black Americans make up forty percent of those incarcerated despite making up only thirteen percent of US residents. This is not an accident. It's a consequence of decades of bad policy decisions. As we address racism, we must address the crisis of mass incarceration. Joe Biden promised an acl you volunteer that if elected, he'd reduce incarceration levels by fifty percent we. Need Him to follow through on that promise a commitment. Now to release anyone who has served half of a drug sentence with sent a signal that he is serious the ACLU believes are criminal. Legal System is broken racist and unjust. 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It was going to be very important a series but I think he's going to excel. I think as a result, the heater going to win it. So you got Miami as the better team right now. Same question you. Pablo better team right now. Yeah Gimme the heat commute Erik Spoelstra Filipino Jackson give me the aforementioned tyler hero Jimmy Dunkin Robinson. The key to this series Tony can tyler hero and Dunkin Robinson get off all of those three pointers against what has been over the past decade by far the best three point defense in the league. The Celtics are always good at this I think they can, and that's why I think the GonNa win this. This is the second series. Now, there's only two remaining in the NBA where you guys like it's all about the man and all about the rotation player what he page, who's the better team breakdown? Yes, well, I'm I'm going to go a different direction to celtics better ned three guys on the international team leads to your but Jimmy. Butler. Is the best player in this series and we know that he would come and go with other teams. Well, he doesn't go anywhere except just continue to flourish with the by I better coaching they have a general manager in that Dole with Danny Age and I think they have the better player the best player that actually is going to make a difference in the series Jimmy. Butler, every governor. We'll move buyer sell to check in with Houston Rockets. Now, the Dantonio is not gonNA be next year. A new coach and he culture reset is what the word is coming out of Houston Rockets say though they're keeping Daryl Morey. General. Manager by herself. By the Daryl Morey staying if it was for the Dynasty Golden State Warriors, we would regard him far differently. He's done an incredible job building. This team be culture reset though the culture is problematic because the owner is a problem I don't trust Tillman for Tita in terms of being a level headed dude running this organization, and that's why I think this is all kind of rearranging deck chairs because the owner might be the biggest issue of all. You lost the point there for a band word was don't use it again but that line you had about Maury if he was with the warriors repeat that again. If the warriors did not overlap with Daryl lawry's tenure as a Houston Rockets general manager, we are talking about a guy who probably would have won NBA finals yet misfortune of lining up with the dynasty. That's the only reason why he's not wearing rings himself Yates is that how you see it? No the only reason why they didn't go over them because Chris, Paul get inches the one time they had a pretty good shot. But how are you going to tell me that you're going to Redo the entire culture? If you don't get rid of the humid who stated that the whole culture was to beat the warriors entirely to begin with I don't really understand what that means. What are you going to do if you're not getting rid of Maury to reset everything please explain that Tony, like I'm five as they say on twitter because. It's possible. You can play different styles the basketball. GM different styles teams is it possible? We'll see how about you what he page. PABLO MAURY S to go I mean you could talk about culture. How you are going to change, but we are missing the point. We all know because of what is comments were about China that actually you have an opportunity now to farm for a different reason, but you have to remember he brought in. Players and they haven't wonder you think. They gotta go away from Ball. They're going to go out and find centers that actually could play there again, and they've got to get a new coach that will develop a new concept. So they take advantage of hardened or either get rid of WESTBROOK's or make it fit. Clinton the point is you gotta take a shot and nobody took a shot like Houston took their shot. They went the other way which is basically the basis of Maurice Whole. But I'd say, well, he can go another -nother way. Possible. We'll move on by herself three. Here's John. HARBAUGH AFTER THE WIN AGAINST CLEVELAND? Ten minutes left I. Don't think. So it's not really national football league so You. Look around the league. You'll see that not to meet people are taking their quarterbacks out with ten minutes left in the game in the National Football League. So and that's historically true. Firesale harbaugh keeping Lamar in the game late in the blowout. Selling it ten minutes take him out. Oh that's not the way they play the NFL. That's common sense. When you got one of the two three premier quarterbacks in the league, you're up by that much. Really teams are going to come back and guess what it's like baseball. If you took him out and they scored thirty points, you could bring him back in I. Think it makes no sense coach you're wrong. When Buying the decision I'm selling his explanation of Lamar Jackson to be in the game as I stated earlier with no preseason games this development matters as far as getting your reps underneath but you don't have to go around and tell everybody you see other teams in the NFL this who cares with the other teams in the NFL or doing they don't have Lamar Jackson you gotta meet him for yourself and for your team and if you WanNa, play just play him I understand that it makes sense Pablo Torre. Horrible was sounding to defensive there. I agree with that probably not wise to have them in there. But what he's been doing John Harbaugh with the Ravens taking the Mark Jackson out four times last year with seven minutes to go when they're up twenty plus. So it's really a matter of degree ten minutes versus seven. It's far smaller margin that we might think although I think from now we'll probably see less Lamar Jackson in exactly those scenarios. Page, it was never going to be a good day for you. Once you call the series now game seven over after game one, but you did good to get nineteen points for your scoring average. Say Goodbye. Shot. Gambler, Larry Clinton Yates. It's your apartment speaking and I need some favors when you're seeing in the shower, just try going up key. You're trying to be an alto when really you're a soprano Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with GEICO, it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night, could you read out loud but? Skip the murder parts because I get scared. For Bundling, made easy go to GEICO DOT COM today. Now No. Get all the quality parts you need at your locally owned. 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Know that because I watch the pucks not just because I asked Cala show when I think something's GonNa come on the show. That said I did ask Tim Keller Shop Expert Opinion Tony This. Their prime old guys at rookies with an interim coach running the show around the horn in the early days also gotten, it doesn't matter way gotta run. Public story if I WANNA Keller Sean. I I. Didn't know what you were doing Clinton there and you just totally don't get the knees of tour report. Move showed. Baseball looking at the getting rid of Champagne and beer celebrations about ovid they want players messed up socially distances. This makes sense, Pablo? It does make sense. I would have recommended page method however, and by that I mean edibles except apparently. In, Texas, the world series is going to be in Texas. That's not okay. But I was hoping that that would be a solution to every problem selling out all your colleagues, your Pablo go ahead. Quaid. Someone, that was actually in a clubhouse that had a lot of champagne last year I realized this is not an issue at all would easy issue because I was at a game in which he got cancelled as a result of Kobe but they kept playing the game. That's the concern. On the field that's I'm concerned about on the field, there are eight teams in one league in eighteen. Only getting that would have been sixteen champagne celebrations just for two months of work. I don't know about that Clinton Yates you've got the face. I'm here in Los Angeles County where, of course, there was a terrible situation unfolding this week in which officers were shot in their cars in the line of duty. Now, they're looking for ward for the suspect and they are various people who are trying to give money to that effort for whatever reason shares office has asked Lebron Raymond James to contribute. His own cash to this. For reasons I will not understand what happened to sharpen dribble which brandon do next figure out these peace talks you want to try to figure out forest fires how many things in this one man do? It doesn't make sense don't choose to be police officers we don't choose to be black is a difference. Yo figure it out. Clinton. Yates thanks for your words there as winner. Can I. Say something real quick to well. I'll wearing my black shirt today because I wear it everyday wear the same thing every day and nobody says anything nobody calls me out why? Because I'm a dude. Now imagine you're an incredible reports making your debut on Monday night football and someone mentions your wardrobe retailer incredible work on Monday night. That's all that matters.

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Hour 2: Baker or Lamar?

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42:39 min | 1 year ago

Hour 2: Baker or Lamar?

"Welcome back to I eight. We're coming to you. Live of the chase river decades here seventeen. We've got a lot of laughter here on absolutely flat out so you can't talk as much as I do and then can't take let's talk about the steelers dealers they did extend head coach Mike Tomlin the twenty twenty one season with an option for twenty twenty two but was that a popular move among Pittsburgh brass according to the athletic some of the steelers minority. The owners did not want to extend Tomlin which is a little surprising for a lot of people Thomas Q._B.. Big Ben Haven't won the Super Bowl and over ten years and now we welcome in Dangelo a Angela Williams former running back for the panthers also the steelers my brother lovable he got some explaining to do 'cause I saw him on. Get up this morning Annette Elliott Talk. We let him off the show today. Without it's all talk talk about Your Dad Fan. Yes I am but we'll get to that for the higher next hour. Okay his hand the ball off disease Azazel who's under more pressure we have Tomlin or our Ben Rothlisberger forgetting so I think Tomlin's under more pressure I think Tomlin is fantastic but Ben Rothlisberger you gotta think it's supply and demand. There are other coaches quotes is out there and you can convince yourself can do the job that Tomlin has done. You can't do that for Big Ben. He led the League passers last year had thirty six touchdown so what about sixteen interceptions thirty two touchdowns. You're thirty four touchdown to about fifty one hundred shots Riyaz sixteen interception right. That's fantastic so I feel like the fan base. They're not looking to him for him him to do anymore. They're looking at Tomlin for town do more because they fell short or the playoff and I'm a big fan of town. I don't think that they'll be able to do better when you talk about who was under pressure. I think the fans in Pittsburgh or more behind Ben Rothlisberger than they would be my tom if you were telling me if you guys would telling me that this was about lock stuff off then that's different because let's let's call it. Let's call it what it is. When you are a black man in the head position they look at you and thinking about what level of control you you have if you if there's any question more about you having control it's held against you now? Obviously you can keep your job if winning but that's the blemish and I think they're black coaches. Oh Hell far more accountable with a quick trigger by executives team owners than than other coaches are having. You said that I will tell you that this is one of those rare occasions that I think big Ben. The player is under more pressure than the coach. Here's what Antonio Brown. John Is. One of the best at the wide receiver position yes he left Levy on bell was one of the best that the running back he's gone this. Both of them open their mouths. It's about ooh big this. They talked about his leadership or lack thereof they thought about about whether or not he was to face it. They talked about him throwing only cats under the bus. They even brought up his radio show in a week weekly radio show for now. I'm not trying to say that. No one has anything to say about Tomlin but I don't give a damn Tomlin when you other than Bill Belichick. Who can you defend somebody better than Mike Tomlin Noble? Nobody that's proud that man got his extension because it's well well deserved and he had to deal with some nonsense no question about it. I'm not trying to absolve anybody from anything but what I'm saying is the players when they left laugh not while they were trying to leave when they laughed day talked about Big Ben and then had a bunch of cats validate in what they were saying and then Big Ben Turns around you have nothing to say but you got that contract extension thirty seven years of age even though you deserved it the bottom line is is that it was almost like you were distancing yourself from the problems when in fact you would a quarterback and as I said at Donovan mcnabb that's my brother. You always gets mad at me. When I bring this up on? I don't care I'm always waking up because he's my man and I can't even though I've got mad love for Donovan mcnabb and I know that Teo wasn't was it completely absorbed from everything that we're wrong in Philadelphia and I only bring that up because back day I was right and in Philadelphia so I was there okay my issue was the quarterback back to start to start a team and where you have that cachet with those upstairs is very very important important that those players don't view you as somebody that's against them that matters and when it comes to Big Ben Rothlisberger more more so than Donovan of course but when it comes to bit Rothlisberger that's what happened period. The hierarchy does exist. There's ownership. There's coaches then there's quarterback then as everybody the era so I I honestly think that from a legacy standpoint big band this is a big season for him not as it relates to him losing a job or coach Tomlin getting fired because everybody always says is always use it as a safety net where he got a b where he got levy. I'm bill. He doesn't have them anymore right so now now they only go as far as he takes his team okay if he takes them to. The playoffs did big band. He's I say let me turn back at you. I understand that no disagreement this but when we asked a question like you talk nobody's under hot tea per se. They both got extensions. Tom Sitter Rosberg KNBR one year. I understand it but he's still have two years to go so we got a couple of years so when we look at him when we look at both the presumption is they are right job walker as you look at pressure in other words when I'm looking at the steelers who am I looking at Ben roughing looking at big brought up those names but he won one does super busy one came before any of those guys so I don't think anybody's looking around and saying no not Tomlin. We're talking about the alien beast like he's had success before for them so I expect this season I think has been they had was the steel curtain. This makes we know that he performed his legacy is set whether I like it or not. I grew out of love to say that this season could decide Mike. Tomlin future eight won't decide any amendment is there to now now. It doesn't work that way. We're not been apologised even though he had a good season last year MS Q._B._R.. Win The toilet in the fourth quarter suit one through three one thousand three hundred seventy four Q._B._R.. And then in the fourth quarter went down to sixty so it's not it's not a problem as long as he went with the guys that he have if he doesn't have those guys with A._B.. It was all been from the beginning if he does not then everybody's like man. y'All y'all not bringing up up. You gotta remember when Ben do that interception against Denver right he wanted and he was talking about. I should do it to do all day every day. In other words the what kind of things that he was saying yeah assistant alienating Gosh he's got a guard against all of that disease. It was a quarterback. There's certain stuff you can't say stuff. You can't correct that's it's the most compelling argument is not the on field stuff. I think I know I mean. Daniel brought up a lot of the bills. Have I think that he's solidified all of the field better than I do think there's a real concern with how people view him in the locker room and if the locker room chain turns all you okay then that's okay with me on in the locker room but I'm GonNa go to the Angelo's point about on the field. It's not what day it is what you're doing. Well not just that not just that at some point in time. Let's let's talk about what he's done was less than a super long thousand T- and Raja's dinner whereas when M._v._p.. Of that superbowl wasn't Aaron Rodgers deniau play big Robbins Bergen. That's what I'm trying to say to you that it's been a long time a long time since Big Ben Rothlisberger has been that picture and then when we then when we talk about the elite leap players the elite quarterbacks in this game Yeah Ben Rothlisberger is usually second tier you don't mention him in the same breath as brady breeze and Raja's you don't do that not now I mean it's a challenge dimension Matteo's. What that's what they you know like Charlie Ro uh-huh all right go ahead? Tell me wherever all tell me when something went wrong. Listen listen. I just finished getting on Mattie. Is what I'm saying. Is that when you look at his numbers and you look at what what he does on a week to week basis there have been a barrage Pittsburgh has been a roller coaster not true. He's been argue. Daddy ice didn't show up at the big moment. He's been steady on the statistical level. I grew okay okay perception. The perception is those two are not on the same tier and I think the perception is dad. Whether it's true or false perception is that Ben Rothlisberger is better than Matt Ryan and I think that perception is part of the reason why the Rosberg or won't be under the same pressures Tomlin can so don't view Tomlin and same way that you what are you put. I just WanNa see where you were you. Were you putting Eli Manning that in this day I'm now. He's not even this guy I dunno Tomlin Verse Big Ben and You brought up the race aspect in the beginning. I think that's a huge factor. I think that Tomlin does not have that breathing room in part because he's a black coat one of the few left in the league. He doesn't have that leeway if he makes a bad decision and it costs them a playoff bid their turn it on him. If ben Rothlisberger throws the interception in the fourth quarter that cost them a playoff bid. Nobody's saying anything they were like. He's getting a little older but he's we have some breaking news right here. On I take care of the city chiefs star wide receiver fever tyreek hill suffering and apparent leg injury at today's practice he was hit by cornerback Bouchard brilliant who is breaking up a pass and stayed on the ground before eventually hauling hobbling <music> over to a medical tent after being examined. Hell was carted off the field seated in the passenger seat of that car no word yet on the severity of this injury gentlemen. How is this going impact And then tyreek hill is out. I Love Patrick Mahomes. He's a stud and Travis Kelsey to me is the best tight end in football now that growly throwing anyway. I'm just saying well all these throwing go to now. I mean Travis. Kelsey is a primary target but let's be very very clear. tyreek hill is that point is that important to me the the Kansas City chiefs and what I say season's over I'm not trying to they can't make a run for the puts. Whatever I'm looking at the Kansas City chiefs as a super bowl contender right with the colts steel is obviously the Patriots? I'm looking at them and that you if tyreek Hill ain't available to them that that that goes out to win. Yes I did. Yes I did you you just dismissing the coastline really they couldn't do before Andrew. Luck the engine and not going to do it. Excuse me excuse me they win divisional playoff game last year and how what did go. I understand they went home. I gotta go go any lots of Kansas City. I was expected more. I believe so I respect the calls. I don't think they're gonNA do but I can't believe what you just said. They win the conversation. I can't believe what you did to Tyreek Hill because tyreek killers very good and I agree his ability to distract the defense and also make big places huge but Patrick Mahomes. Maybe the best quarterback in the game. I don't know I think wh- she yo you can take one of his many weapons off team and they're so I said to now he did say Kareem Kareem Lenehan as they moved on last year without Kareem Hunt and we're just as dynamic as they were all. You haven't heard my takes enough then because I have been on the air saying saying if Kareem Hunt had not put on the Commissioner's exempt list. Let me tell you something right now. I think its win the Super Bowl last year. I think they beat New England in the A._F._C.. Championship game and I damn short they beat the Rams in the Super Bowl in a rematch if they were able to stay on four fifty one in a regular allow Atlanta that the game with Kareem Hunt didn't jump off size that wasn't what cost them a trip to the super bowl. It was being offsides it 'cause. I'm disabled told her about what happened without. Can we run on the field. I'm I'm saying if he will sit on the first half hostage. It would have been more gay which doing Patrick Mahomes as disrespectful as long as pastor mahomes is healthy and Andy we read on that sideline. Maybe clock management we could discuss but on this aisle. I'm drawing those plays. They are Super Bowl contender be easy now like he mahomes had a great eight year. He had a once in a lifetime year lifetime. I don't think that'll happen again. Let's just let's just be honest with him. Losing Hut Hem losing unhealed now how's his first year though now that was his first year balling plane. You're saying it's his last one two good go fifty if they test sounds. Maybe that won't happen this year going to be the best quarterback in this league for many years say anything that he's super y'all make these facial expressions and not deferred a y'all some degree on the football stuff. It's all right. It's okay you understand. I like it but I gotta say this to you because you looked at me with such disrespect tyreek Hill in Alabama brother this is this brother tyreek hill fourteen hundred seventy nine receiving yards. I mean this is. It says it's twelve okay. It says twelve twelve okay so you got Travis Kelsey Kareem Hunt. They say you know Andy Re. He's GonNa distribute the ball. Now we gotta understand. That's wok is still got all of that. All I'm saying to you. Is this tyreek Hill. How many receivers you got a mentioned? The Creme de la Creme Ram to dismiss him Antonio Brown. Julio Jones the Audrey half this. You got his brother Tyreek Hill a special. I think he's acting like it's being disrespectful to act like it's compromised significant little him significantly compromise them but I think you're being disrespectful to Patrick Mahomes got their season is going to have an update before we get to this debate Adam schefter reporting that tyreek hill is expected to be okay. I'm just saying I'm just saying you. I'm just saying you right tyreek. Hill is going to be okay but what I was implying was patrick. MAHOMES is bad brother. You need somebody to catch that football dammit. I'll I'll let you off the hook. We'll just say that was hyperbole for the sake of getting your because without Tyreek Hill. I think that's what made me because that's what I'm saying. You Ain't going to no super bowl without tyreek hill. I just WanNa make sure I got this right so you're saying mahomes is better than drew brees yeah yea. He's better than Tom Brady. Did you watch Aaron Rodgers. I'm just trying to make his now has the potential think he will be the best quarterback engaging purposely Nah. We're talking now <music> now listen up. He was the M._v._p.. He's very I have you right now. We're saying right now. Is He. A better quarterback than the three quarterbacks I just name which ones all right dreary days been brees. Tom Brady era G gree mind. He's better. I love what drew one season chain see. It's not only child. I got my question Iraq. When you play was the any quarterback that was better against you this second in Tom Around then they would first time you so yeah? Take my magic malls that we got feel on you gotTA. He's watching you. We know what he wants to do. That ain't gonNA handle. Is My go ahead. Have you ever seen a quarterback do what this man has done in his first year as this narrative now but I did see this full C._R._M.. Playoffs again. He was a little bit different with the point that I'm about to bring up but I did see cam. Newton come come into the law. He was called anthro four thousand yards his first season in the national football league. I also saw him tail off a bit. Then Cam Newton completed sixty eighty percent of his passes as a rookie the next seven years he never reached sixty. Let's keep that what I'm trying to say. There's something to be said you guys notice better than me. There's something to be said for having film on U B Y'all being able to study cap priced all right habits tendencies coach play call all its stuff like that all of that I mean that's a factor and be released so maybe re how how could you not be. I think I think beholdest a big topic with this. I don't think he's better than brees yet. Bro He the top quarterback not so. I'm you know what I'm saying. He'd been Amer Roger. How did you the required guy be quiet? Yes Sir Guess Patrick Bartholomew Mahomes. I don't know the middle name is better era. The man who is better than the way really to be crazy crazy I show with I love I love really the accident. Join tested here test a urine sample who need to look into this camera and apologize to bed <music> every rogers. You got to be clear any better than Tom Brady to apologize to that man on national television right now apologize Aaron Rodgers. I'm sorry that you had to listen to Steven A. and this nonsense and I apologize. I apologize that Patrick Mahomes came in this league and was so damn cold. I'm sorry for that. I Apologize. It's not my fault but I'm sorry that Andy Reid is Cole. I'm sorry to Tyrique Cole. I'm sorry to Travis Kelsey. Here's nasty and Patrick mahomes can throw at fifty yards left handed off his back foot. I Love I love Andy. Reid Andy Reid and I go back many years like I said I covered them in Philadelphia mayor respect back to love for that man but you use the word cold did it you just say his play calling in Cranston which is open for discussion say controversial yeah so what I'm trying to say to you this and he has been coaching for twenty years. Is there a super bowl title on a resume. No okay shape so when you use the word cold what is your definition of cold definition is when I turn on the Games from week to week from year to year. Andy Reid is a step ahead of everyone else. Offensively I agree. Andy Reid has much to be desired as a game one but but if we're talking about the career career that Patrick Mahomes is going to have as long as he is linked with Andy Reid he is going to do better than your man a-rod well as as long as you're talking about home his name right it is Patrick Levonne mahomes old the second middle neighbors Levonne Lavar. I love it. That is a baseball player right the whole discussion as we were talking about Tyreek Hill The star Star wide receiver he went down in practice. He was carted up Phil but Adam Schefter reported. He is expected to be okay okay. He has a bruised quad. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to The Lot in life you don't have to have a rushing champion to win a super bowl but Emmett was the first first one to do it and that's one of the dilemmas at running back is that the League knows that you can win super bowls and not have the Emmett Smith Math back. There are not have Z. back there consequently when we are looking and putting Zeke's contract in place. We've got to realize that the ultimate go is to win the Super Bowl and so you've got to do all of the things along with having Zeke that allow you to have other players so that you can win the Super Bowl now as cowboys owner Jerry Jones talking about the importance of the running back position position Zeke Elliot. He's in Kabul working out while the rest of his teammates are in Kelly for training camp in the meantime Dallas's. I didn't bring back Alfred Morris to fill the void without Zeke there right now. Angela Williams still right here with us. So how far can the cowboys go without Zeke this season home. They can go home. Hey that's exactly not mahomes <music> but they can go home because that's what's going to happen. What happens is the cowboys put themselves in this position? They've Senate his offense around Ezekiel Elliott. That's why Dak is very proficient Shen at hand in hand in the ball off <hes> that's what makes him deck. Dak Prescott without Ezekiel Elliott is just the cowboys just waiting to go home and December first first of all. I'm not sure I agree with that. It's possible but based on what I've been hearing about the cowboys because we don't give a damn about Catholic and anything that contributes to misery is Christmas for me this cowboy fans having said all of that that Prescott show Mark Cooper's number one receiver Randall cops and upgrade from coal beasley even though he's old and slowest snails Jason Witnesses Short yardage security blanket come somehow some ways open the short yardage the situations which is going to assist Zach a great deal and this defense from what I hear and for what I've seen is real and so the six ranked last year we know they've got the potential to upgrade their. We look Van Direction Smith and all of these boys. We know what they bring to the table. I'm looking at the Dallas cowboys and I'm saying excuse me is a possibility see that you can make the playoffs. I'm picking Eagles to win. The N._F._C. eased but I'm like the cowboys. Is it possible this this issues going on in the north north you guys Chicago there but Green Bay Minnesota who knows what's going to happen with them. As they beat up on one another we've got question marks about Atlanta and Carolina in the south out west West the Rams G._S. Seattle Year but the Dallas cowboys could find a way to squeeze into the picture you bring up Zeki Elliott. Let me be very clear because I watch them. I hate at this morning and I was waiting. I was GONNA get up and I couldn't wait to you to come on the show today my deal Yeah Zeki Elliot. I got no questions about his skills. Yes brothers a rough rough rider. Oh League leader Russian twitter three seasons. Yes no three hundred twenty two carries as a rookie three hundred and four carries this past season. We know what they are. You brought up Q._B._R.. Thirty points lower with him on the higher with him on the field without him when he's off the field. We get all right but here's my issue with Ezekiel. Elliott is suspended. Six Games got into an incident in Vegas. She was just in the Commissioner's office. It ain't just about your ability. It's about trust ability. It's about reliability D- do I trust that you ain't going do anything stupid to put just off in a position where you cost US games because behavior pools as you off the field because what this brother you have people listen when you listen to Jerry Jones Talk Dangelo yeah. That's what he's talking about it. I remember somebody like you for example. Put your mouth on you okay. That's a compliment you on your right join. No knucklehead bro Yeah. You'll get the spill fitness the nail associate so you would that. That's a key thing here. Here's the difference though Jerry Jones sound like somebody. That's in negotiation talk. That's what he sound like. You're absolutely false debate. What would he say? This Gerald said the right thing said that they don't need a Russian champion. You're right you don't need a wrestling champion to win a super bowl but you damn show Nita rusher. That's flicked unique doesn't even have all time rusher considering game. We saw the playoffs this year most of those teams in the top half of the league and running ball efficiently so you need it. He just said earlier Kareem Hind if he on that team they win the Super Bowl to hold on to quote me accurately. Let's not posit in half also said that I could still see the cowboys make the playoffs without him. You gotTA remember there's no way go wait a minute but I said that what I said you ignore that part not only that I never said a word about no cowboys in a simple way the game is loaded and and and they're building right way voted the cowboy cowboys loaded their download loaded the linebacker either way to mess it up which is their foreign great libraries can stop the run in played a pass important in a modern N._F._l.. They'd by fences loaded and they have enough offense of playmakers but I do think that Zeke is so important to that offense because he is the engine they built it around him now. If six going to sit out this could put them in a better position if Zeke if you WANNA miss if Zeke is going to miss training camp this could cause them to build a offens at a different way because it's kind of unfair for us to use the stats that we use over the last couple years because the of course forced the team is going to be worse without Zeke on the field because they designed the offense to be Zeke centric now. They're designing offense presumably in a different way because Zeke's not there so maybe they could be better than were with shuffle up never really the thing that's never a great thing. That's what I'm saying so you pay your said deck up without my my. I agree with you. I I think they'll miss the playoffs mostly because the competition in the N._F._C. is fierce and I think that they won't they're not GonNa win the division without Zeke they they may not win it with the men is going to be tough to get a wild card with all those without the names but they do have the advantage of going against the giants and Washington a couple of times. You know what I heard. Jerry say this is what I mean to cut. You know what I heard. Jerry say jazz like Cowboy Nation. I Apologize Make Zeke the centerpoint of are often apologize. We need them. We're not going to win games without him but rest assured I'll get this before the CIA faith for this subject at this is about me. Give back to their out Alfred Morris Not Atas Scrub is he scrubbing Z Z but you can still find ways to get it done got to remember it was about love you remembered as Dominique but in two thousand fifteen they was so one in backfoot Pittsburgh that was out the head or a replacement tantamount trying to figure out try remembers names thought it was some dude named the Angela we always you do the Angela Williams Wchs Rush Two hundred times nine hundred seven yards. What is that about four and a half yards per carry so so in other words it was a dude that knew how to run that familiarized himself with the system that wasn't necessarily supposedly all world but he could ball bottle way that we would the C.? You put me in office. Were the offensive line have been together for six seven years US tablets quarterback hall of fame quarterback as a receiver and that defense was pretty good okay although the hall of fame quarterback does not have a whole stack this two-time pro bowl in his first three seasons in they've never passer rating ninety six. The brother has shown up a big moment got enough eh. Who is it back to wait a minute wait a minute to three? Just I'm talking about is the fact back to the matter is you can look at it anyway you want to but it does not gloss over my point. My point is you are acting like what you did. What you did should be ignored because that's not reality when in fact Alfred Morris it's a quick I mean when you look at his situation the Dallas resort of no football games excuse me no no no? I'm not talking about they want to ask you. They were asked to live never has been it. Matters will be asking Dak in that defense defense. Stop it and you feel Decade Win Football Games in Dallas absolutely yes. You really thinking that yes Q.. Dramatic pause hold on just happen here though Stephen trying to disprove your point while also giving you some clout only one man can do that. He's sitting right here at the N._F._l.. N._F._l.. About his ranking I don't think so but it's not because I think twenty six players are better than him. I think that in the sport of football you gotTA understand. Dan People do different jobs people. Do It's like you on Basketball Court or whatever there's five guys in stone. Mountain got five reserves but there's only like three positions. Basically in impositions are interchangeable. If you are a cornerback you analyze back you ended defensive lineman. You eat a wide receiver. You Ain't running back you see what I'm saying and and so if somebody would say Jalen Ramsey this cornerbacks better than you understand that you insulted by that that make sense but if they say they got you ranked twenty seventh as a quarterback and maybe only one or two cornerback list and about about five or number quarterbacks at about three of the Milan back in about five of them or defensive linemen then that's a different ballgame so I don't I don't mind the fact that he complained 'cause you bring attention to yourself and you remind everybody that not only are you great but you know how great you are but I'm talking about in a private in the crevices your heart and the privacy of your own soul at home when you walk away. There's really nothing to be upset about unless you looked on the list that I haven't seen the list unless you looked on the list and saw like four or five quarterbacks ahead of you all those job position. That's a different argument so this is Dan Gotten to to the top ones yet so we don't know who's ahead of him but I suspect that they're gonNA put very many corners ahead of them. They have Stefan Gilmore corner ahead him so he could be upset about that. Yeah but I know all of the positions that you name with the exception of quarterback. There's nobody somebody out there who does a more difficult job than Jalen Ramsey and he does it as good as anybody in the League so I'm okay with him being upset if they put a defensive tackle in front of them no disrespect for took for defensive tackles the exception of Aaron Donald. They're not impacting a game jalen Ramsey Matt same thing for yeah I mean I think there are a few players. I don't think they should be number one but his impact on the game is larger than almost any other position at that position plan corner on that defense team. That's predicated on their defense. He's the best in the you know what I appreciate your context. I appreciate your explanation. I think you need to understand that there's a whole bunch aficionados out the telling US okay because again. I'm my argument you and the whole bit but I'm a report I defer to catch who played the gate. I and I'm going to be very clear what people in my position it'd be into all that damn defensive line that ability to get it to quarterback coverage is so much bigger rush. That's what they're saying whether they're right or not. I'm not debating but that's what they're saying us. I don't disagree with okay the line being important to him playing okay well but you can't you can't you can't dissect those things they are interconnected in some saks that they are result of Jalen Ramsey coverage and him getting interceptions in the back taking the ball off of Antonio Brown in the back of the end zone in a playoff or excuse me regular season last year. Those are things that collapsed Campbell can't do green. They'll start them so I understand and I agree with those things are connected connected but he is as good as anybody leak in that position in the modern age of football as much as passing is important. It's hard to argue that. If you have a guy who you can put on your number one interest on the opponent's number one receiver and not worry anymore that frees up defensive coordinators and it's stress it relieves alleviate stress on almost the entire team. I don't know why he's pissed off. If I just let it ride it's one hundred players. The top one hundred players is not voted on by the players. So what does he so pissed off about. I talk about this every year year and a year with my friends France. I think this is a bunch of Baloney because there's a lot of guys that make the top one hundred that don't even play the entire year. There's one year we're J._J.. Watt was hurt and he made the top one hundred and I'm like how did he. He make the top one hundred this year when he didn't play last year by based off the stuff that he did before this year like Levian bill made it one year and I told him I was like Bro like you didn't even play like who's voting on is like how it is. I think it's voted on by the play networks network Paul. I don't know exactly who's voting on it. I the thought of the players play play play play according to a poll conducted by the the N._F._l.. Network is in the league that was their pocket understand being disrespect yeah. I know better than that okay. I can feel that I'm pissed off for you now J. Arnold Dangelo you and Cam Newton. E were teammates during camps. I Four Seasons in the N._F._l.. Dangelo signing with the steelers before cans M._v._p.. Season in two thousand fifteen he is now coming up shoulder surgery offseason but says this earlier it was a rookie entering into two thousand eighteen will return to M._v._p.. Form on this season guys okay so cam's a good quarterback okay and like really fill me on this. I'm not being a hater I'm not he. He's played this season. Yes he's at three one and season. He had one N._F._l.. M._V._p.. Season and everybody always defer back to that season two thousand fifteen thousand fifteen if you take out that N._F._l.. M._V._p. sees and he had a hundred and forty seven touchdowns and ninety seven picks so are we just keep going back to the fact that Cam had that one good season or we just go see it for what it is that he's a good quarterback. They had a great here. His game is not just about passing the ball watch. We watch them running into either. I didn't say I run quarterback. You brought up his interceptions touchdown ratio whereas yes as if the end all be all his impact on the quarterback through obviously plays quarterback but his impact on the game is a lot broader than that and I'm not sure that he's had as much support as he had the season or that. We believe that he's going to season with D._J.. More with McCaffrey on their backfield so I think that going back to M._v._p.. Level that's a stretch but I think he's going to be a lot better and he's had because of the fact that he carries the ball so much and he runs nearly as much as running back does his body's been beat down so the expectations and the pressure on been on Cam Newton is so much higher than so many other quarterbacks what we just finished talking about Jalen Ramsey perspective of how y'all opinions were modified to some degree because players voted well we also have to remember we also talked about Big Ben Roth broker and Levian Bell Antonio Brown talking about him. Even though Kelvin Benjamin ain't on the same level he didn't have the kindest things to say about Cam Newton as a passer and I also highlighted how he's only completed sixty percent of his passes his rookie year and then he went the next seven years without completing sixty percent to last year when he completed sixty seven percent in the you just brought up three winning seasons in his career. The rest of them were losing seasons. This is for the Carolina Panthers Franchise that religiously is highly respected on the defensive side of the ball which means that when you point to whatever the ailments ailments are you specifically point to the offense and this is the captain of that ship. I'm a fan of Cam Newton as a person and as a player and I think he's a damn good quarterback and I think you're right about not measuring him just by his ability to pass the football but the Angelo was measuring him by his billy passable Angelo said he's only had three seasons somehow some way along the terrain of his career. You are losing more than you're winning. You are in a division and we haven't brought this up. He's in a division with drew brees. Mattie Ice Cam Newton isn't even the best quarterback his division a matter of fact if it wasn't for Jameis Winston and his nonsense from Tom Tom we might be calling him the worst quarterback in the division and so we have to take that in consideration and say that Cam my brother we wish you well. I hope you healthy ready to ball but guess what you need to ball because because on the quarterbacks in your individual wobble so I can't argue against any of that there's all those all facts but I mean context matters you talked about drew brees. We all accept he's. He's a hall of Famer. Matt Matt Ryan has been on a hall of fame trajectory as far as going for a while so that's that's not his fault he didn't draft them and being in a situation where he's had rotating door on coordinators and he's not had a big time. Hopefully y'all notice better than me. Don't get slick on me. They do oh good and damn well that there are some quarterbacks. The reason why roaches in those coordinators change is because they're trying to write five right fit for you. Is it because you haven't been there okay okay. Is it possible now we see that coaches and coordinators are updating their offenses in a way that that allows quarterbacks like Cam Newton to perform better. It's possible that he came into N._F._l.. And he's still balled out he came into N._F._l.. That was not quite ready for him yet and I think that's part of the problem not quite ready for. He got one league M._V._p.. I don't know I think the N._F._l.. L. The N._F._l.. is starting to catch up to us on arpaio's. Please please explain it to me well I. I'm trying to figure out what you're saying because what we're saying

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Hour 2: Joel Bitonio

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Hour 2: Joel Bitonio

"As someone who lives in breeze college football. I can promise you that this season will bring the mayhem. You'll feel it during huge wins and heartbreaking losses on Dame winning. Dr. Drives it in post game. Fender bender. This season teaming up with AllState highlight these key moments. The let fans know if mayhem can show up on game day, imagine what can happen the rest of the week for expert advice. Call your local agent today. Joel Tonia is an offensive lineman for the brand the red hot Cleveland Browns. And he's going to join us here. Just a second on the shell Pennzoil performance line. The red hot Cleveland Browns, baby. Just a couple of bounces away. I mean, they really go juggernaut. Joel it feel different yesterday going on the road and leaving locker room as a Victor as a winner did yesterday feel different than all of the other road games. You've ever played in Cleveland. Yeah. I would say so the last one I remember was my second year second year we wanted Baltimore. And that one felt pretty good. But. So long. So long that I haven't thought that land on a plane trip home in a while. There's only a forty minute flight home. So you have to long to celebrate what? I wold were you your second year in the league was five years ago. Yeah. Four years ago, and it was quite a while ago. So can you explain to us where you were when you saw the whole replay of your teammate grabbing an interception and handing it on the sideline. The opposing side line to Hugh Jackson. I saw got a Pixar stood about the bench. And I was coming on the field all kinds of field. And I was just like, you know, I thought of a Jumbotron, and then I didn't know if they give him the personal because there's a personal phone to play for handed. The baller was someone else on the team. But I just all that. And at the moment, I was like, wow. You know, it was just one of those one of those moments where you kind of look back you're like, well that was kind of a perfect storm things happening. But did you laugh at it? Or did you think it was distressed disrespectful or do you think it merits fifteen yard penalty? Why don't they give him the fifteen year penalty? I think it was a hit on the sideline. So that one's good. I I laughed at it. Mostly, you know, I think it's one of those things you know, he's coaching for a rival team now. So he's you know, he was with us for two and a half years. But he was he on the rival team now into the marriages, you know, quite a quite a character self so him hand in while he'd be the one guy that so it was a it was funny to see I've got some questions on. On this front. Then if you wanna go one guy on the team, so the guy in the weight room who all the other dudes like, geez. How does he do that? It's Joko, isn't it? He's a freak for sure in the weight room met guy. I mean, everything he does he's freaky. But Kevin Zeitler myla guard is also a weight room pre. So there's a there's a few look at you find a few on that NFL teams. How about Garrett? Oh, same thing. I mean, you got pull ups and puts like a hundred pounds of weight strapped him. I mean, these guys are you've got their animals. There's reason they were high draft picks. And so how about you? How does that work with you on the on the pull up bar? Yeah. I get a few in, you know, with the some band support. Now, how are you? We marvel when linemen come over to ESPN, and the immediately lose seventy pounds and become Kenyan marathoners like are you what is your real weight as opposed to the three oh five you play. At like are you secretly a one hundred eighty pound men or you secretly a five hundred pound, man. I think my whole life. I've never really had to like eat to gain weight or equals late. So I've just always been like what I wanna way. But what if doing so ball, you know, I'll probably three fifteen right now. I want to get to you know, to sixty two fifty nothing. Nothing too. Crazy, not not like marathon runners. I'm more of a men's rec league basketball guy. Not like running twenty six miles on my weekends. Do you recognize Joe Thomas anymore? He wants Joe town is walks past. You John has Joe Thomas walk mass you and you thought he was somebody else. Yeah. I mean, we don't even let him in the line room anymore. Not considered. Alignment. Great there. That was the first sign that. I knew here's your tiring. You know, hit really said anything about he was gonna make the announcement later in the year. But once you got hurt he's like thirty pounds. And I was like here's the wave coming back from this, you, you know, what I mean, I was like getting skinny you gotta hold that way. You can't just put thirty pounds on it anytime. So I was like the first sign that. I was like I think this guy's done. Do you? Do you have a good Baker Mayfield is cocky story for us. I would say Thursday night game against it yet we walk out there. And he let us on a drives get points. I want to kick a field goal may. We did something before have. And then we had a garden pick a knee right before the half was over. And he started just yelling at one of their linebackers. And I can't remember which one, but he was he was talking back to their just talking back and forth. And I think it was like. Was like he was like, I don't even know who you are who argue argue, and he was just just calling them out. And I was like thank we've got a whole half year, man. He's one of those things where it's like you like to see a quarterback be confident and. But you gotta go back up now. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. So Baker Mayfield in his first NFL game coming off the bench when you're kneeling out the half is barking at a linebacker saying you don't have the resume. I haven't game plan for you. Who are you? He to work. I don't know what you're trying to go. But I'll remember is who are you? That's what he was after out there. So it makes you wanna fight for him though. Right. I mean, you've done a lot of losing one. I should say Joe Bataan, but Tonia with us on ESPN radio the Browns won against the Bengals yesterday. Big first road win in a while. You've gotta love that offensive lineman. Right. Yeah. Man. He he scrappy back there. And the thing is, you know, you're never gonna give up. We're never out of it. You know, he's just always coming to come into fight for you. And as an ally. It's like we gotta protect this guy. He's a future of our team. You know, he's our quarterback in and we haven't had one of those guys that we can put that stamp on. It has an open floor, and we just have to go out there and protect and it makes your he's he stays upright. What is the story you remember of the Manziel era of him coming in banged up? And you being like, oh, this is not the way that we play quarterback in this league. So what was the question? They're just your best man's L story. What do you remember about Johnny football? Oh, gosh. There's a lot that probably can't be set on the radio right now. But he those those are the ones I wanted there. Those all the ones I was asking you about. Yeah. We were we're roommates, you know, coming in. We got we're both in the same draft class. So we they put us in the hotel together. And there's times where we'd have a, you know, a meeting warning in in this guy. Just not there. You know? I'm like where do you go? And then I turn on the TV. It's Sunday night on the court side for the San Antonio Spurs final game. And I'm like, wait. We have a meeting the next morning. We're like we've been Browns for two weeks and he flew back. He made it to the meeting, but I'm going to bet at like, twelve o'clock, and he's not in a room. He's not there. And I'm just like how is this guy doing this? You know, so he he made some I think some late night overnight. Flights that were pretty risky with that set. Until now he was the best quarterback you ever played with. I mean. There's been a lot. Joel we're happy for you. Thank you for coming on with us and congratulations on your victory yesterday. Thanks, guys. Support for the Dan lebatardshow podcast comes friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. It's about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety and stress for a lot of people. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans doing something about that. They're calling it the power buying process. Here's how it works. Wicked laws will verify your income your assets and credit less than twenty four hours to give you a verified approval that gives you the strength of a cash buyer. 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In air. My dad also missed out on an opportunity to invest in the hacky sack. That was that's the one that haunted. VC's live at our show with stugatz on ESPN radio. Are you sad to think of the cliff Kingsbury era is being over at Texas Tech GAM, Sanford, Texas Tech? How you get rid of that guy? I mean, he's everything to that school. He's your identity. I mean, he really is. Let's win or lose. You always had the best looking goat in college football. That's it coach willing to tell you how he used flirtation with single moms and had bottle service at practices. Brought over. Yes. Yes. All of the fun stuff that kings, very represents as swaggering fun guy gone with a thirty five and forty record. That was just recently extended didn't they just first of all this is so funny to me that you tell me that they don't have money in this sport. But they just recently extended Kingsbury, then they said never mind about that. And then on top of that that that extension had a buyout clause in it right buyout clause where he had to give where anyone at that time. It was hotter. Pro candidate the idea of him leaving for another school. They had to put a clause in a bio claw, Dan. But you know, there's nothing more grievous in the sport of college athletics. Then having a coach go into a season as a lame duck. You can't have that you always have to extend. I don't think there's ever been a head coach in college football big time college football that's entered the final year of a contract that hasn't gotten the extension. They always. End up getting an extension before they get fired. That's the deal. It's a racket, and they don't have money. They don't have money. Just for the coaches had paid the kid's saving helicoptered into the into the field. The other day it rained. What do you expect them to do? Exactly, let nature. Tickets course. What you gotta do. Get that feel dry. I tell you what dammit Texas Tech the next coach is going to be thirty five and forty anyway, you might as well have Kingsbury, right? I mean, any coach coaches Texas Tech is going to be thirty five and forty right roughly gamma put it on the poll is any coach who coaches at Texas Tech gonna be thirty five and forty after seventy five game. There are some local reports out there near Lubbock owner, Mike Leach might be tossed around as a name, which is there's a lot of baggage there. I don't even know how that happens, but I did watch the apple Cup. And I saw it snowing and Mike Leach offense, probably well. What I loved I loved. I knew when I saw that box score. I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Nobody actually kept Mike Leach from five hundred passing yards with a scheme. Right. That had to be, you know, seven thousand mile an hour winds in the snow and then oh, yeah. There's the Leech achilles heel. There. It is there's zero rushing yards in a game hurt ya when you're playing Washington. Fifteen not gonna do it. Mike Leach was great there. I should I should take that statement back. I mean, he was eighty four and forty three Tommy Tucker. Ville was third twenty seventeen. I had no idea Tommy Tucker Ville was ever the head coach at Texas tag. What do you associate him with? What Auburn I think he was a he was in between. And then he left Texas Tech for Cincinnati. Is it big stain on the Texas Tech job is timing tub? Ville. Is that the funniest name in college football, Tommy, Tucker, Ville it? Yes, or no. It sounds like a toy train in a in a children's book. Here comes look lookout everybody. Here comes the churn churn churning of Tommy Tucker. Just sounds like the name of children's book. Yes. Mommy, please read me. Mommy, please read me, Tommy Tucker Ville. Know my wrong about this. Chris Chris not he's not buying trying to beat. I'm trying to think of another one. I mean, there's Dino vapors, right? Sounds like a cartoon dinosaur. There's a Bronco mendenhall and sounds like a cartoon horse. I love that. And his teams I think Bronco mendenhall teams are tougher than they actually are just because his name is Bronco mendenhall. Am I totally agree? Only put that on the Polk gamble at lebatardshow. Do you think Bronco mendenhall teams are tougher than they had? They are because they're coached by someone named Bronco mendenhall because that is a wonderful football name. Like, if honest to God, Bronco mendenhall is dragging Tommy Tucker. Ville down a flight of stairs, by the hair. Right or wrong, you all right, my friend. I mean, the kids you have to face Bronco mendenhall that the the upcoming week. It's like, hey, we got Bronco Ronco. Mendenhall sounds like Ed ordure on looks shirtless. Donlevatar? Why do we still do this? Why don't we? Through. Why did we work sold? We should stop working with him. Yeah. We have offers. You have offers offers to God's okay, Dan. We were just talking about how much of a delight your so we pivoted. I think we're in place. It's going to be so good this year. Ready? Great to see you guys. I'm. Ryan how this is going to be offered. His. Working with him for twelve. I still go home upset with myself. This clinically. Wednesday. The hate him. These live at our show with this to God's only SPN radio. Then rothlisburger is a great quarterback by any measure right hall of Famer. Yes. No doubt. Yep. Is there any quarterback in the league more likely to give you what he gave you yesterday, which is that incredible play the most beautiful play of the day to Smith Schuster? Or? The ending of that game. Where he's doing a jump pass off of a right foot just hopping up on a right foot. He hasn't hopped up on that foot like seven years now his training regimen in the off season is to you know, push ups next to the bar. There is no other quarterback there really isn't like rothlisburger. Yes. There are times where he looks like the greatest of all time when I'm saying the quarterback play you're getting in the NFL right now has no turnovers in it the the exemplary precise quarterback play that you're getting from Tom Brady before from Peyton Manning from Aaron Rodgers now from ju- breeze. There are no mistakes in it that if those guys thrown interception the red zone because I think Cam Newton might be in this discussion as well. In terms of giving you both of those plays. I don't think anyone in the history of the league is more likely to give you the those two plays in the same game than Ben Rothlisberger. It was a time that I laugh out loud. Watching the game on me. I was at a bar, and they did a side by side comparison, whereas just almost like a full body graphic of Ben Rothlisberger in case keenum. I'm just saying how is this person playing quarterback? The toughest position sports. Just, you know, look at them any tries to do some of the things that he used to do early in his career. Now, listen kids, Ben Rothlisberger used to be an athletic freak. You could bring him down. Here was incredibly mold your luck before Andrew luck. He was a guy that didn't even play quarterback in high school. He was a receiver. He was receiver. He was that athletic. You look at them. Now, he's still trying to do some of the same things, which is where you get in trouble. Did he does think he'd he? Absolutely. Ben Rothlisberger still thinks he's eighteen put that on the podium at lebatardshow does been rough because Ben Rothlisberger is really sort of the mutant strain. When grunk goes quarterback. It's not what you can't go full gronk, you can only do that at tight end. But at quarterback Roethlisberger's. He's a tight end playing quarterback. That's a very good description in nature. What he I broke it guys. You remember what a dynamo? You couldn't tackle them ver- anything. He was agile the combination size and speed Cam Newton was compared to Ben Rothlisberger coming out of college. I mean early on. There was one time where he ran for thirty one yards. On a single play a single play. Thirty one consecutive yards. He ran right. He did it. It looked like a skyscraper with legs. The upper half is body. Never moved. It was just legs moving in the right direction. Thirty one yards all in one direction positive toward a first down. Yes. No does that on dropbacks. But that's honestly, not as impressive as the set. I gave you I think almost a year ago. Joe flacco started his career with a forty plus yard run for a touchdown. Youtube footage is out. There was people it sight unseen. You'd think he was Lamar Jackson. Flack a weaving through a secondary in open space tough to tackle in his Nike air cements? Some Texas are saying Ryan Fitzpatrick is capable of that. Oh, that's good. It's not capable of the greats. I mean except once in a while. It's magic. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to ask you guys something based on the conversation. We're having last segment this weekend. Survey ships will be in a half hour, noon eastern. I was thinking to myself yesterday while listening to a truly dreadful broadcast of dolphins colts. Bruce Arians was in the booth, and I've I've been disappointed by the work of Bruce Arians who I liked so much as a coach. But he doesn't do insight or just not he's just talking in two sentences. It's clear that telling him to just be quiet sometimes although there, he's just collecting paychecks. He will throw an occasional curse word out, which I always enjoy it seems as always just taking this job to campaign for the Browns job, which is odd. He said, it's the job. He takes weird weird. But he should get back into coaching because broadcasting is not the world for him. We should do remember all the health issues. Stay away from the game. Bruce, we care about you. Okay. But it got me thinking about cardinals quarterbacks because we were talking about Tommy tougher Ville. And I'm telling you that the rival toy train of Tommy topper Ville, I was trying to come up with his name throughout yesterday. He was wonder kind. Everybody wanted to hire him. It was the air is only made the Super Bowl with him if Tommy Tucker villes toy train were to go up against Ken wizened, HUD, the toy train like who wins who wins that in the children's book because wizened you remember when we were talking about whizzing hut as a. Yeah. It's weird. You took the end from wizened hunt wonder kid, that's a fun. What is his name? What is his name in hunt? You call them Wisden hut. Hold one vendor until wonder kind late a minute. Wait a minute. You literally took the end from whizzing hot lowdown along. Let's revisit all this. What exactly happened here? Hi love. What you just did? Which what a great children's books character. A coach in a children's book. Ten wasn't hut. Who's the more? Ridiculous. Name Ken wasn't hut. I mean, I've never Tommy cover Ville. It's it's Tommy Tucker tough. I've never encountered either all my times on earth. I've never run into another wizened hunt or or Ville, do you? Remember, do you guys? Remember how he was the coveted candidate wasn't him and Tomlin up for the Steelers job or something like took a team to the Super Bowl. Then what happened on revelled fast? Then what happened? The titans happened to him. Yeah. Are we blaming him for all things titan? And now he can't get another job. Poor Ken wizened hut. Mike McCoy's another one where he was a big name in the next in line for head coaching job. And that unraveled quick, and it was a similar career path to old can wasn't hood. Give me a better name for children's book. Coach Ken Whisenhunt. I mean three and twenty is the titans head coach will kind end your career. That'll do it too. Hike tomlin. Mike tomlin. No, you made it hike Tom hike to find you. Hike tomlin. Doing the most we can with this. I don't think you're doing poorly. I, but you're not doing much you're giving me only hike Tomlin. So I'm move on. What exactly are we looking for just funny children's just funny names of coaches, okay? Is what we're doing? Is it? I thought it was like a children's book like, mommy, read me, you know, Tommy Tucker Ville before I go to bed reading me some in hut. It's not the same blue forty two Jackson. I don't know. See he sounds like a place. You would go eat before you go to bed. Let's go to the whizzing hut. See? That's good. That's good. That is absolutely true. You've had a big night out on the town. You've been drinking. Nothing's open where should we go? Let's just get something fried at the wiz in hut. Oh, my hang stream. It's just it's just a terrible name, even all right? We can move on. I'll let it go. I'm sorry. I was a dog with a boat. Did you see students? Are you seeing? And this is such a cool thing to have happened penny. Hardaway was so much fun. As a basketball player. It looked like he and shack. We're going to be dominating the world for ten years in basketball, the most famous thing than check left Orlando and penny was still great. But then injuries happened and penny. Hardaway. Wasn't able to be. I don't know what. Tracy McGrady great for as stained a period, although he was great for a long time. And now he has come back as a basketball legend and someone who matters to Memphis more than most people mattered, a Memphis, and he and he's actually getting the recruits and Memphis basketball's in the game after going to school there. He's actually. Doing things Memphis has done the they took someone who didn't have a lot of experience, but did have a name and had credibility and had a love ability in the market, and they turn his name is getting getting players to come to that university. I mean because he cares about that area in. I mean, he grew that's hometown. It's where he went to college. Right. Are you thinking that's a good plan? Just thinking, it's cool. I'm thinking very few coaches like Spurrier got that. Right. Spurrier won the Heisman Trophy of Florida. And then came back as a coach like you're getting the full athletic spectrum when you get to enjoy the fruits of sports when you're young and you get to then par lait into stuff when you're old and so- penny. Hardaway has taken you know, Memphis has no preordained right to be getting the recruits. Memphis is only been good. Our lifetime wins. When John Calipari was coaching them. I think so. Yeah. And so they don't they don't have a right to be getting those, but they're getting them because of penny. Hardaway penny area, right? It's kinda interesting. I mean, it's not really happening for Jim Harbaugh. But it is kind of interesting like put a name in there. Guys familiar with the program familiar with that area and see if he can recruit. Well, yeah, I like that idea that Arben Meyer scandal seems like a long time ago. These show aim free time for some at six seven years ago, though the Meyer scandal that he weathered six or seven years ago to become the champion that he is today. I don't know you can't remember. There's no guarantee that it works. I mean, Chris Moen Saint John's check the record there. Oh, I'm not paying loves that school loves that area. I thought I would be the same John's coach for the remainder of my lifetime. I'm not saying that it's going to work. It's not very important that you tap the breaks on whether it's going to work for penny. Hardaway in Memphis. It can indeed fail as anything that. You. Try ken. I didn't feel the need to come in here and thunder in with. I've got an example of it, not always working, then not helpful. Never works though, is what I'm really trying to say never works. I mean, cliff Kingsbury was Texas Tech guy. And now he's fired after thirty seven to forty five after seven CS if it worked with Jim or by it's never worked. Just hasn't worked out here. Del cyber weeks for small businesses on save big with massive deals on office. Computers with eighth gen Intel core processors and the latest servers even other top Randall electrons accessories are around sale, plus get free shipping on everything. Wanted of a limited. Dell small business technology advisers can help you find the right Tech- for your business needs at cyber week prices. Just call eight seven seven five Dell or visit Dell dot com slash SB cyber week that's eight seven seven by Dell. Donlevatar what I've chosen to do for a living stupid. I've dedicated my life to swimming in a pool of stupidity. Stugatz. I was the perfect career choice for me. These live at our show with this Stu gods on ESPN radio. Stugatz is weekend. Observations are going to be in ten minutes. They're very popular funny. You should stick around for them. Ten minutes from now, we will get all of stugatz observations from along five days off. So there will be plenty of observing being done by Stu gods. But Mike Ryan has asked me, and I don't know why we've decided to do this today. But this is where I have stumbled. He is asked me what I am trying to do with these names, Tommy Tucker. Ville and Ken wizened huts. Good question. And it is a good question. Your responses just been more. That's correct. And it seems to be the wrong response. It seems to be an incorrect way to go about it. How ever this is what I'm trying to do much. Like, we said, the teddy Bridgewater. Sounds like a children's book about a stuffed animal saving a town from flood. We came up with a whole list of of characters like Kevin Quackenbush. The Padres pitcher who sounded like a duck who comes out of the weeds. It just the right time to help. Teddy saved. The town peekaboo street was the name of a road. The teddy Bridgewater uses to look for dry land. And his children's book catfish hunter the mystical guide who teaches and looks over. Teddy Bridgewater as saves the town Muffin McGraw, the mayor who enlists teddy Bridgewater for help pins. The achievement rubbed ribbon on his chest in front of the townspeople. After he saves the day. I leave it alone. That's what I want to do. I want a tub Ville. And I wanna in hunt steamed toy train. Rain situation. I get the tub Ville port now. What are you trying to do wizened hut though? Is that the bathroom on the vote wasn't hut? It's also not as. I think we should just keep calling him wizened, HUD, at this point. Yes. Sure. Now, he's a Pirker joint. What are the rules? Wiz. That sounds like a porta potty company to me. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So long way to go to knock get fined. So you want to build out the boat characters stuff the train Smith has to be somewhere around the Smith. Conductor one is Smith's job. What is Tommy spent doing weight, it's a boat. Now. I don't know why God's keeps making an a boat. I'm not sure he asked me during the break. What are you trying to do with the boat? I just realized that that was a question from five minutes ago. And he was asking about the train is really confused about one of trying to do. But I don't think any of you are in a better position than he is on this. I feel like all of you are a bit lost. I've got the wizened hut. Protecting us from lightning. Like an invention a hut. Go under like on a golf course over the boat. I feel like you're doing a whiz in hut. Porta potty situation just because on -tario Smith running back for the Vikings years ago. Got caught with a wisdom. Nater a whiz Nater which was masking his urine with a Latin beige fake peanuts Christmas too young to know that reference stuff extending him so much credit. The why isn't that why you guys are doing wizened hut as the as the porta potty situation with sounds like PP? That's right. That's why it was called the whiz Nater. That's correct. Very good. Excellent work. Chris you're always right on it and eloquent son of a writer. But what are we doing? Why is there a boat? At a hot. That's protecting us from lightning. That's what I'm asking you to do fill out the story the way that you did the teddy Bridgewater story when you told me the Bubby Brister was the fat little hedgehog teddy always stops to ask for directions. But buck Martinez, the wise old deer who helps teddy with a with his bridge in order to save is heard from the flood. But that's up. It was clear. What is this one? I mean is it a boat is the name of the book Tommy Tucker Valer now is you've got you're the only one. Seems like nobody, but what should be a both the timing tub review. What should be a boat? The SS Tommy Tucker Ville, thank you, always clever. Stu got. Aqua? So case keenum is the town judge with the end of the book bangs his gavel, declares that this day shall henceforth be known as teddy Bridgewater day. Justice winslow. The judge decrees teddy has the full resources of the town behind. Terry Stotts market. The whiz N hut is a truck. Stop off the highway, which also has an amazing diner. His name is wisdom hunt. Flawed ways and hut. P and eat. You guys have anything else. PP the strengthen your game just threat saying the top Ville is a town. All right. Put it on the poll. Guillermo villa town vote or trait tougher Ville does the town of a boat knit or what happened to the boat as envoy Gavin loved playing football. He lived in briefed wanted to go pro when he'd spent hours upon hours just his touchdown at one day. Well, getting fitted for by four goals, he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or country nor even kicking. Yeah. Gavin's chances of playing football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did kind of touchdown. At least he was still good at that.

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Overreaction Monday Week 2

"Plants Capture Co two what if we could help industrial plants capture it to think how we could help lower emissions. It's one way Exxon. Mobil is helping helping industrial plants be more like plants right now. Nfl Live steelers quarterback Ben Rothlisberger out for the season details on what to expect next from a steeler squad trying to find their way the news just slightly better for the saints drew brees will Gulf reportedly need surgery on his right thumb states quarterback expected to miss at least six weeks regardless and giants head coach. Pat Shurmur would not fully commit met ally manning as the starter for this week's game at the Tampa Bay buccaneers the giants off to an OEM to store and already two questions about a quarterback. Jay is a busy Monday to say the least I'm Wendy next Chris Mortensen Ryan Clark Tim Hasselbeck. We will start with the news out of Pittsburgh since the steelers have lost their franchise quarterback for the remainder of the season as expected after last night's Game Ben Rothlisberger banged up in the loss to the seahawks he had an MRI on his right elbow after that game and it was determined by the steelers medical team that surgery is necessary. It will likely be sooner rather than later that surgery scheduled for sometime this week in all probability. Rothlisberger will end up on I R and is out for the season this right away confirmed firms by Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh steelers and so with that we'll say this on overreaction Monday the steelers will miss the playoffs Tim Hasselbeck back overreaction or no not an overreaction. Ben Rothlisberger coming off his best year -ticipant. There's a lot of talent. Alan left that locker room between Lake on Bell Antonio Brown. I think they were gonNA. Need Ben to elevate the play of everybody else in that locker room at least until some of those guys started to understand kind of what the standard was there in Pittsburgh and what the expectations are and so because of that and because of the Owen to you start. I don't think it's an overreaction. It's tough sledding. When you start to and then by the way go forward with active quarterback this is not an overreaction and not even not honestly fully agree with what Tim has said but also this team just doesn't look good. It didn't look good last week against the New England patriots or in the first quarter when they had had been rothlisburger this last week against the Seattle seahawks. Don't look good on defense. They're not technically sound. They're not tackling other. TJ Y you don't see the energy needed to be a playoff team and then also if you look at this offense right Juju Smith Schuster finally getting opportunity to be number one and he seeing the number one type of attention attention. He's not showing up James Caan of the knee injury. There's just so much going on with this team right now. They're just not a very good football team team and it was actually crazy that once Mason Rudolph became the quarterback Ather bins injury. We saw some energy we saw some. I think that's good. I'm sorry I see that. Though happened with teams with the guy comes out the bench. Maybe wow Eh however so. Let's wait and see but it's not an overreaction. I mean there's been rothlisberger but as ours. RC pointed out against the Patriots and they may be so good on defensive. We have to throw that one out but we do absolutely take note of Antonio Brown's absence in that office. We cannot ah we've seen it. James Connor as you mentioned as an injury. We're waiting for that result and then their defense isn't quite as good or stout and we forget that might month check. The Great Offensive Line coach is leaving and he was also the run game coordinator leaving for Denver was another setback and I don't see them getting into the playoffs I would. I would agree with Ryan. They just it didn't look like a complete team with their quarterback. Which of course means more problems when you look when you lose him. Jeremy Valor covers the steelers. He joins US now. Jeremy I I see look at the next man up kind of business but what's been the reaction at least initially inside that locker room thebenz injury whereas a pretty pretty somber locker and Wendy. I just left there a few minutes ago wide receiver Ryan Switzer said that Rothlisberger is unquestioned leader and so there's a clear void that they have to try to phil as an entire offense with Mason Rudolph now. I'm told that this injury is very serious. It's likely not career threatening and then there's a chance of Burger can go through rigorous Rehab and work his way back but the exact nature of the injury is still unclear. Even the higher ups at the steelers. Some don't even know what the injury is exactly. They're still trying to piece all this together and process things rothlisburger did walk into the building today around two PM he was not in the open locker room when we were there but teammates are going to be with him and Defensive End Cam Hayward said that Big Ben's going to be at this season in all the meetings throughout to help them try to push for the playoffs this sort of defacto assistant coach which we just talked about because clearly playoffs and making the postseason is the goal here. Tell me about Mason Rudolph and the expectations in Pittsburgh right now for the next man up which is Rudolf Wendy. It's funny reporters approached Mason Rudolph at his locker and as they it did so slot cornerback Mike Hilton walked by and said Mason tell them you're built for this expletive saying you're bill for this and this big moment so I went over to help and so do you really believe that and he said Mason tell him I said that that you're built for this word and so they're trying to instill confidence into a guy. I really like to be honest. They were impressed with with how he played with poise yesterday making good decisions and they believe that he's really well organized. One player told me that he he prepares like a madman behind the scenes. He's always the guy with the helmet on even when he's like a third stringer now going in on the play he's kind of that overeager student and so that that's rubbed a lot of guys here the right way they wanna see what he can do and Cam Hayward said look the defense has to help pick up to and alleviate things for him. He does not by any means have to play perfect for us. He just has to play winning football but Wendy when I spoke to Mason at his locker wants to crowd dissipated asked him a little bit about how far he had come in last year and a half half and he said I've worked all my life for this will be prepared for this moment. Thank you so much. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's Monday but I really won't have a better part of my day than and him trying to get around the s word. They're actually let's start. Here is Mason Rudolph Bill for this issue. I do AH LISTEN IT Oklahoma state the one thing he did. He could throw the ball downfield. The vertical passing game was good for him. A lot of people thought he had a learning curve what she you would in that offense there but he was very productive. Zone question about is a great kid. I will say this that there were a lot of people who had doubts and that's why he was a third rounder this. This is a process for him. We've seen many quarterbacks who weren't first or second rounders who had success in this league. He can't throw the ball downfield but you're not going to the playoffs with yeah. I don't believe they'll go to the playoffs with either and you talked about the downfield passing. That was what we saw in preseason especially. When it came to James Washington guy he was very comfortable with from Oklahoma state and we speaking we're speaking of third rounders. He actually played probably one of the more famous third round quarterbacks Russell Wilson this weekend and so it's not that he can't grow into a very good starting quarterback you heard a lot from Kevin Colbert in different people that drafted him out of Oklahoma state. They felt that he did have the stuff to become a good quality starting quarterback in NFL but it's about this year it's about this team as constructed with Mason Rudolph and they don't have enough talent around him. They're not good enough on defense and if you're going to tailor something to him. It's going to be totally different than what it was for Ben Rothlisberger and so that's all Mike Tomlin office coordinator Randy Randy's victor to figure out a way to protect him but also allow him to the progress and be successful. Ns extremely hard when you're ready to jump in a couple of things on here one ben criticized the drafting of Mason Rudolph and because he is now going to start over to fifteen games fourteen games right they play to Joe FLACCO okay so I agree with Kevin Colbert. I thought that he was good enough to be a first rounder. Mason Rudolph was a really good prospect coming out and it may not happen right away but ben is thirty seven years old and we don't know what type of elbow elbow surgery he's headed for it but depending on what it is. Mason Rudolph may now be the starting quarterback not just for the season but going forward for the Pittsburgh steelers and so it kind of for him starts right now I would agree when you look at the all of the facts or the situation in its entirety. I it's only fair to think that's a possibility I mean that's just a situation that were in another quarterback and another injury saints. quarterback drew brees. Olso banged up over the weekend. He is expected although not fully confirmed undergo thumb surgery although some say could be as early as today either way he's out for the foreseeable future with the surgery it would seem he's out at least six weeks. Yeah look they're still in the midst of evaluating it at one opinion having a second opinion in as soon as we know something that we can confirm than than we'll report it but right now. It's kind of you know the stage where there's no question breeze is a huge loss but if you believe ESPN's football power index all hope is not lost. Orleans saints are favored to win four of their next six even with Teddy Bridgewater at the helm the saints they're buying week ten after which you would hope breeze. He's could be back in the lineup so again overreaction Monday. The Saints Could Still Win Their Division more is that an overreaction is not an overreaction action. They got a good football team. I mean you listen to make or two on defense. There's no question about that but that's a good offensive line. You Have Alvin Kamara some in Latavius Murray's running back Michael Michael Thomas at receiver and they have Sean Payton as an offense coordinator. He's GonNa get creative here. I know that yesterday it was Teddy Bridgewater case him hill there and I I think you're gonNA see some very creative. Leave football by the saints with Sean Payton drew brees but I think they're going to be still being this is not an overreaction. This isn't a team that you look at it. I didn't say that they're dead especially when it comes to their division now they played some different divisions in the NFL. You might see a little bit differently. Cam Newton doesn't Marty Smith here in my friends at marathon or really helping you say because right now you get five since off every gallon every day with Mickey Count Rewards from marathon plus you pinpoints for additional savings on fuel airfare hotels and more it's quick and easy to join just visit they count dot com slash radio or download the free the APP so start saving today with make count from marathon offer valid only at participating marathon locations marathon fueling the American spirit. NFL Live Espn Dolphins reporter Cameron Woolf reporting that Brian Florez the head coach says drum roll. Please Ryan Fitzpatrick as his starting quarterback the back but after a couple of weeks like that we're evaluating all physicians. We haven't made any final decisions yet. That's a lot of evaluating my aunt meanwhile. Ben Rothlisberger had an MRI on his right elbow. He had it last night. After his team's loss to the seahawks it was determined at that point that surgery will be required. The surgery likely scheduled for this week. Here's Mason Rudolph. I'm excited to step up and that's that's what backups do. That's what I've done my entire career whether it be you know high school college or now and nothing different for me so I'm just GonNa be the same person I am continue to prepare. I told you I tried to prepare like I'm the starter when not and I'm GONNA continue to do go through my same weekly routine and you know get put a good game on Mike. Tannenbaum joins us now and Mike. It's a perfect day for you because you've been in those front office. You've got that phone. Call Okay here. We go. We got a backup quarterback or maybe some decisions to make. What's today like when you lose your quarterback will those situations are a little bit different to me because if you look at the New Orleans saints they're really well positioned with both tastes them hill and Teddy Bridgewater both guys going there run the offense and I wouldn't be surprised if so you played both during the course of the Games just from a standpoint it puts a lot of pressure on the posing defense in terms of game playing for them as it relates to Pittsburgh they do like Mason and Rudolf. He's big. He's strong. He can make all the throws but they may be looking as well. They lost Josh Dobbs they have been on their practice squad but they may look for other options news and to me when he this is also an opportunity for the Pittsburgh steelers. They have the twenty nine thousand nine season evaluate rough. Is he the back in the future. That has a couple of years. He just extended with him but this really could impact what they do. The draft next year Devlin Hodges he was the buzz of training camp. He was basically a camp arm. Are the Samford University in Birmingham. Alabama said a lot of records there but as camp went along he was getting more and more reps and they like so you did you gotta you gotta taper that like with expectation. No no what I'm saying. It's like Gordon and Menchu of sixty was good enough to be the backup quarterback. Nick foles. They may have hodges on this roster and then you look around but I don't think they're going with Mason Rudolph. No I think I think the question with Mason Jason Rudolph and like Mike is saying you WanNa see where Mason Rudolph stains as far as your future plans are concerned and you look at a lot of situations like this this young quarterback room which you will be now without Ben Rothlisberger a veteran presence in there to know that you can have a guy you go oh to as a backup. Mason Rudolph still learning and it's a difference between preparing every week like you're the starting quarterback and actually preparing to be the starting quarterback and understanding that teams will also be preparing for you that way so having a veteran presence veteran mind in the room could be helpful as well. I think it's critical. I mean when you have a young guy play especially when he's coming in for a guy. That's been a superstar. It's important to have that superstars support. It just is it's why quarterback rooms matter. It's why when you're building a quarterback room. It wasn't always just about okay. How much how can we put in the room. It should never be about that. It's about how those guys get along. I've referenced earlier about you. Know Ben's comments are really not being happy with the pick of Mason Rudolph and so you just wonder and I don't know and you may be able to speak to a better than any of US Ryan but what is that going to be. I know what drew brees are going to do and I don't think anybody outside Teddy Eddie and tastes them and I know how he'll be now. He's GonNa come back. They see no listen like talking to people. There been has actively worked on leadership. He's actively flee worked on relationship and I think this could be another step in that and saying okay with me being out in Mason Rudolph now being a quarterback this not only will help the Pittsburgh steelers but from a perception standpoint of who've been is as a leader and the man. This is another opportunity to erase. Some of the doubts are some of the rumors. We've I've heard outside of the building. Jeremy fell. Actually I think didn't he just report. The Ben planned to be there for Mason and I think Ben got over that draft. Pick eventually listen. I've heard a lot of certain quarterbacks who are in this prime so-called primary at the backside of the primary queer when they see a team use a second or third round pick a quarterback. They're thinking can be another receiver or tight right. Anderson that I could have used my replacement replacement. They draft in the first round but you saw it with women so Jimmy Garoppolo was second round. Pick Brady wasn't happy about it and he's no longer there. Mason was fairly high. Pick and Ben was heard. I think the other part outside out of Mason third round pick was some of the fanfare he came along with. It's one thing that they drafted him in the third round because he was there but it's another thing that when he's is being spoken of it's this guy has first round talent. This guy has the talent to be a starter because now you hear that more so than drafts. This is an unbelievable opportunity for Mike Tomlin one of the best coaches league. They've never had a losing record with Mike Tomlin head coach but if you go back since two thousand fourteen Antonio Brown leaves as League in Receptions touchdowns Levy on bell leads the league and scrimmage yards and Rothlisberger just two hundred and ninety nine guards throwing per game if Mike Tomlin can take team to eat an eight or even the playoffs. It'll show what a great coach he is. Those great numbers very great players in never went to a super bowl with that group. You just mentioned but they're consistent. Here's the tough part about the Super Bowl and AFC when you say there's a team that it was constructed a certain way that never went so super bowl. You should just name the one team that did all the time because it's not necessarily like we were alternating super bowls and everybody gets to go. It's a fair chance we all have equal opportunity to get to the Super Bowl in the AFC. That's not how it works right just for the last twenty years. You've you've been peyton manning. You've been been rothlisburger or you've been. Joe FLACCO one time other than that gets to go in. AFC and that's metro metric aren't the other dude again your team that did not get to Super Bowl we did you were lucky but it's also out there and we'll we'll talk about drew brees but you talked about the opportunity for. Mike is also an opportunity for Ben Rothlisberger to your point just sort of change the rhetoric and the narrative because it's one thing to say right now that he's going to be in their everyday top four or five weeks when it's getting pretty frustrated or where we are tossed away exactly all right today also evolving starting quarterbacks although drew brees won't miss the entirety of the season or or at least that's the expectation he is planning to undergo some surgery summit set as early as today but likely in the next few days. He's out probably a minimum minimum of six weeks again. It's his throwing. It's a thumb on his throwing hand and I think you're correct me if I'm wrong pretty much knew last night that where they were headed in this situation situation oh the saints largely believed even before he had an MRI or scanned that he had torn ligaments in that thumb which means surgery and so oh he stayed overnight while the team went back we presume to see Dr Steve Shin. WHO's a renowned hand specialist done work on Mike Trout and Chris Paul famous the pro athletes but he wants to get a second opinion drew does and so that's what he's he's getting their second opinion but the expectation is about six weeks which covers six games before their bye I weak and then after the bye week eleven they play the Falcons at home so that's the goal but we gotta wait and see what the surgery is going to bring about this. During that that six week period they only have one division game so they could really hang in. There drew brees back down the stretch run. They can still win the division by think moving forward. What I think is really the interesting is in that quarterback for Tastes Hill Teddy Bridgewater and drew brees. None of them have a contract in two thousand twenty so it'll be interesting is drew brees still going to be the quarterback back. He's obviously close to the end this teddy bridgewater emerge as another high level starter and they love Teaching Hill who will be restricted free agent at the end of the year so if I'm the saying Sally. It's like I can still win this year. It's a great opportunity to evaluate what I have in all three quarterbacks overreaction Monday. That's what we started with win. The division it might not an overreaction so there you go and also to this guy each week the NFL teams will select a high school football coach of the week and Espn will honor the Monday night football teams coach and this week the coaches that week bills this Gerald from Seton Hall Prep School in West Orange New Jersey the Don Shula high school coach of the year awards it will be announced at the Pro Bowl Ryan Clark in January well here we go again the Patriots role to their second straight win on Sunday blanking the Dolphin's forty three to nothing about this new England has outscored its opponents seventy six to three this season. Oh by the way that's two games. Tom Brady addressed the toss ability of going sixteen eaten by this morning and I'll tell you why because that's I think if you look at our team gene we're a long time. I think we you know you could think about something. That's going to happen two weeks from now or three weeks and our five weeks now is irrelevant. I think what you try to do. Is You just y you think about the process and the results are what they are and then we go out there and we play and if we win we win great. WE'RE GONNA get back to it and if we lose we evaluate what what we need to do better and then we get back to our process. I'm not thinking about anything more than three now because that's the only thing that matters. That's all we got this week. There's there's big challenges ahead and to take your eyes off. What's really important is a disservice to the team and you know we're not doing that all right listen. I'm not going to be willing to question John Brady's processor successor the Patriots for that matter because it is certainly one with a long track record of success but here's what we do. We react on Mondays and that's what that's what we'll do so I'll say that's on over-reaction Monday Ryan Clark the Patriots will go sixteen doesn't overreaction and obviously you're going to get. Oh you hate the Patriots because you all the time yeah right but it's so hard to win every football game. It's a reason that Mercury Moore's has got an opportunity to pop the champagne so many times before the Patriots finally went sixteen in two thousand seven. It's hard to do in this team is extremely good and this team will have an opportunity to be an AFC AFC championship the Super Bowl but there has to be so much focused ancient every week on every opponent. You can't make certain mistakes turning the ball over his big and you go back last. Is Your Tom Brady and this team. They weren't good on a road and so you're GONNA have some Games was gonNA come down to one play in type possessions in the fourth quarter and there's going to be a team that makes the best football team I've ever seen was the nineteen eighty five Chicago bears and I remember watching prime-time against Dan Marino and the Miami dolphins dolphins who weren't as good a team as they were watched him beat the Chicago bears so it's possible to happen on any given night. NFL and I just think this team loses one somewhere team. MHM slip up on on a given issue is true and then they're not going to but I don't think it's an overhead. They are so good defensively. I think we've had a stretch here where they've just been okay on defense but we still end up in the super bowl. They're really good on defense. We know they have a really good quarterback. Honestly they're so spoiled spoiled with the weapons they have it wide receiver that I you know two weeks ago. Where like what are they? GonNa do without Gronk there. Aren't they already got that squared away division. Miami's terrible the jets quarterback has mono bell okay okay in a men sleeping on the tour bill pills but I'm not so sure wake oils. They're not ready to throw them so you just say about injured division you kind of you're not in the most competitive division the NFL that way and so when you look at that a fair amount of layups. It's not an overreaction were reaction. They only give up the field goal the first two games. I realized Dolphin steelers in. You're not high in the steelers anymore. You left them behind deserted them because I've got that's how many points did the Ram score and their game three during Tedy Bruschi and I said this yesterday or viewing room. I had a lot of people who kind of know say. This is the best defense they've had since the early two thousands when they were nurturing. Tom Brady into greatness their defense in running game. Did that's what they've done now. This is the best defensive had they've won super bowls without Gronk when he was on and when he was gone we've seen the offense morph into this power running game if they need to Tom. You keep them clean. We can't predict injuries but if they remain without major injuries to guy like Tom. Brady Boston speaking defensively just going to the secondary. I think it goes overlooked. How Good Stefan Gilmore is they. They've had the real reebus. You've seen tyler under bill belichick. I believe this is the best main corner they have ever had when you give bill belichick a chesapeake like so you see the other things move around it and they're the only team that gets rid of Jamie Collins in any comes one. I still just talking about this team. They are stacked in a way that I think we have never even seen the New England patriots. What's crazy here. We go again. You know you win the Super Bowl and what do we do you come back and they might be a better team than they were last year which is scary all right so that's the Patriots and then there's the giants here is his head coach Pat Shurmur earlier today so you wouldn't get all things moving forwards that include the starting quarterback for Sunday's game. I think we're GONNA and we always do that. you know and obviously he lies starter to to this point and you know. I'm not really ready to get into any of those conversations about any position starting quarterback this week nick been are starting to this point and I don't want to talk about anything else moving forward from that from that standpoint not ready to discuss that today's Today's that's GonNa leave it open for debate. I understand that right. I do catch him left. Open the possibility of you're not being a starting quarterback on Sunday. How do you react to that. Oh well to say I gotta I gotTa get ready to play a game and nothing changes and get ready for Tampa and figure out a way to get a win. These conversations are happening so early. Pay You know I you know we're we're going to you know you're looking for answers so I get it. You know when you draft early and and you know you're not winning games. you know these are. GonNa come up so you know. I just got a key working in do do do it or my job is like we said from the get-go that starting fast to start we wouldn't be having these discussions. That's not where this team as overreaction Monday time for Daniel Jones to start for the giants more. Is that an overreaction or no. I'm going to say it's an overreaction. Even though Pat Ashcheulov said at the end of preseason Daniel Jones is ready to open the season. He didn't say as a story that means. He thinks he's ready to play the plan. They had no sterling Shepard but yesterday Golden Tate Steel suspension cody latimer. The other receiver got hurt. Yesterday I went through Dana Jones in that situation. If Eli Manning he gets bench. It's not going to be because of his place. It's going to be because they're not very good defensively awful and so it's not going to be ally allies performance it gets them. It will be the defense but do you want to Jones into this situation until you get those guys on listen. It's not an overreaction for me and I was one of the Dome people say they should just start him at the beginning of the season because I knew this is what the team was going to look like and a lot of times when you have these bridge quarterbacks is because you feel like you can at least as field a competitive team. This Ridge quarterback or this veteran gives you the best chance to see to compete but I've seen this from the beginning. This is the setup this has. It's been getting set up since the preseason Daniel Jones in with the starting offensive line against backup defender so you build this huge huge uproar you bill oh this huge momentum for him. Being this pig this great quarterback. Oh we knew he was going to be this good when we drafted him six and now when Eli starts to falter because you you built eighteen that stinks people are going to start calling form so they are just waiting long enough and so they feel like you know what ally has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's time time to move on from a manning and we can do it in America's won't be upset in New York won't be riot because we now know that ally has died as is the quarterback of the NFC of you feel like there's some personnel issues just to be missing. What did you say it's not an overreaction because I I agree with both agree with what you said and I understand what you're saying about. You know playing Daniel Jones. There comes a point. Now where like it's also isn't good for Eli uh-huh. I think that just even watching him in the interview. He would almost admit that. It's like if you're not being set up to succeed at quarterback. Would I've seen I've seen other guys. Hey listen. They don't think I'm playing well with the other. You know what here's an idea especially to your point mort without Golden Tate who's got two more games John Suspension with them and there's a lot of questions on that team. A lot lot fewer answers. I'm afraid interesting. Creature inhabits the flat arid plains. Njit many an automobile dashboard the bobblehead. It's most agreeable and will not along to anything despite having no brain function but when the bottle of head here's how Geico so not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. You'll not even more vigorously because he knows you should switch because yes switching to gyco is a no brainer easy publicity easy. You can get whiplash now in the domino's three-game. HQ The latest Smart Report Let's start with Melvin Gordon is continues to drag on more holdout and he plans to report before he has two years credit of service in order to become a free agent next year or possibly become a free agent chargers gave their ten million dollar offer tries to propose it with some incentives gave them a chance to kind of shot himself. We're trade that didn't work out in the meantime is actually working out in San Diego and you out with. Dj Durkan renowned trainer working out with them by the way it's Golden Tate during the suspension with the giants and we spread the quarterback who was a quarterback play the Alliance Football League so nobody Gordon is there Eric Justin Jackson and Austin Echo doing a good job Anthony Lynn former running back head coach of the chargers. He's not going to sit there and get on his knees and beg him to come back but he'll be back to some point but it doesn't appear to be anytime soon not right now probably not in September. Ben Rothlisberger won't be back this season. At least that's the expectation so we know that our top story this afternoon. The James Connor a little bit banged up to some questions about his knee lost in the the been news with James Caan left yesterday with a knee injury and we didn't know the significance of it now. Jeremy Fowler now reports that many economies teammates say they do not believe Connor's injury is serious and so with that gauge. I don't know whether he's actually going to be able to play this week. Maybe anticipate that he won't but turns of having a major season ending injury does not appear to be that is good news because the steelers don't need another major injury no and he doesn't either of course not a former steeler. Antonio Brown made his patriots debut early and often. I might add a this vis as the. NFL really got its investigation underway today the NFL investigators led by Lisa Friel who leaves that assault unit that the NFL has formed is meeting with Brittany Taylor who has accused Antonio Brown of sexual assault and we know of civil complaint and so this meeting is critical to see what the NFL does next because what they get out of this meeting including with whatever evidence she has via whether tax the emails or anything else will determine their course of action in terms of how deep they go into this investigation so we haven't heard anything yet but we do know that Jeff Darlington Tin reported yesterday that there was a settlement for more than two million dollars on the table up until Sunday before the season started shorted and Antonio Brown declined to sign. It and there's been no criminal action on this one that's right. This is a civil suit which is an important distinction you look forward to hearing from big. PAPI but I more overreaction plunge. Listen we talked. He was among the more polarizing players much less quarterbacks in the draft when he heading into two thousand eighteen but let's just start right here because he's shown drastic improvement in your to Lamar. Jackson is the best quarterback best quarterback in the class in two thousand eighteen reaction. Listen over action right now right now like no. This is not no reaction. He's he's been absolutely amazing. He has dominated the NFL the first two weeks of the season and the and the guy that people would say okay this guy is better would be Baker Mayfield and he was it was terrible week one so I mean we sit right now when we look at what the Ravens have put around him and how they have designed that offense it. It looks great now. He's not a huge guy in so sustaining. I think it sixteen carries or more this past weekend. I get nervous about that if I'm thinking about on him as a for the next decade is going to be the best quarterback but I mean his looks impossible to fend right now on this says a this is an overreaction for me but not in the negative way I'm not GonNa sit here and say that Lamar Jackson hasn't just been stellar through two weeks of the season. He's been absolutely amazing when you're looking at quarterbacks and thinking about who could be an MVP race if we were GONNA do a way too early. Lamar Jackson is squarely in it the guy he's playing against this week in Patrick Mahomes and so I still think you have to look at the total body of work and what Baker Mayfield was able to accomplish last year as a passer as a leader of as a quarterback of the Cleveland browns but moving forward Lamar Jackson listen who has the best total skill set and measurable of all these guys can absolutely end up being the best quarterback of class if you continue changed progress as a passer. It's an overreaction but I agree in a good way. I said last year before the two eighteen. NFL draft twenty eighteen NFL draft that all five of for those quarterbacks Baker Mayfield Sam Darnold Josh Allen Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson. Everybody thinks it's going to be two or three bus from him. I thought Oh five had a chance to is be successful and right now. Alan Jackson had the highest ceiling now they may have a little bit of as low as four but you gotTa Love Great Roman in the personnel the offensive coordinator in Baltimore's doing with Lamar Jackson at this moment but I think we still have a long ways to go to see who's the best and that's a good thing not a bad thing that you do feel badly for Josh Rosen at this. I think the biggest thing that stood out to me yesterday wasn't necessarily the numbers of Lamar Jackson. It was great Roman being I'm willing to call a pass to like you said earlier a tiny receiver down the field situation third eleven eleven gotta the have situation there plenty of teams that I trust defense right or run the ball missile good defense and do that with him and he threw a perfect ball yeah why did him for the decision. I don't have one for Patrick Mahomes like I don't have an over you I i. I don't know what would be an overreaction. Well no years. Here's like knowing the show. Well no listen to me. Here's what I'm GonNa do then see see what I did hear. Give me a note. Give me a statement. That would be an overreaction. I Okay I'll be in this. I think this would be here. Go debate debatable. Patrick Mahomes is the greatest player we've ever seen right now at this moment and so the only anymore time so so we don't anymore time I like that. It doesn't matter that we have a quarterback that's won. Six Super Bowl was it doesn't matter that pain pain manage played Brett Farve play on the act do now people that Peggie Mahomes is right now the greatest quarterback quarterback the greatest NFL player. We've ever action Bob. Yours is better than mine because like he threw fifty touchdowns last year on pace for fifty right now like Kinda like I mean it's been really good. Mine's not nearly as good mine is like Patrick Patrick Mahomes. It has good terrible. It should be the first player that is in the hall of fame because he shouldn't have to wait five years absolutely tray always says hall of Fame Ma. Ah Yeah it was good then you just go ahead and do it. We'd be impressed reaction at this because the money is going to skyrocket in this league over the next ten fifteen years but it will be an overreaction to say that Patrick Mahomes will make a billion dollars listen salary before he's done plane however I think he'll make eight hundred million dollars in salary before he's done playing in my Tanenbaum says with off indoors he thinks thinks that crazy though really started to do the numbers in my head and look at where football is going and where is going for that position Independent on these next. CB negotiations and what happens with TV entree different things. This is a possibility because he's going to be the highest paid quarterback for for probably the next decade or so anytime he re ups. That's why I think and then but then you also think about the way the rules have changed to protect the position position and now all of a sudden. That's why you see guys playing close to forty four H. Many quarterbacks playing close to forty or beyond forty never see Dan Jealous but I can't even go upstairs. Get salary is going to be way up there. We should billion but as as Tannenbaum said account endorsements if oh all only maybe seven hundred and fifty million poor me L. He's GonNa make you have have to struggle you. Find an overstatement about this kid because he has been so phenomenal to watch and he can do things that we haven't seen people be able to do with football aw here's a good I'm I'm done. You guys can do this every week for better you going. Brett Farr and I think though when you look when you look at Aaron Rodgers. I believe you know if you take away. Maybe not necessarily the championships. We may have thought he would win with that. Tally L. E. every rogers was like that when I got to play this era's read was it was different than playing other football other quarterbacks yeah. We'll see fair enough but we're not done one game to go tonight at the meadowlands before we pick it more. Tell us something we don't watch out for Greg Williams defensive coordinator the jets in the first I hit on Odell Beckham Junior understandably why soap-opera Continues Ryan Clark victim when I'm going with the Cleveland browns on the role for the win twenty-seven the Seventeen O. I like the browns on this one as well. We got them twenty two ten a little bit lower scoring list. How many the games if we picked we got like four anyway. That's wrong is my point. You guys have almost agreed with every time time which means you've been wrong to three rows of perfect. You were per. They're not listen either way to be a good game. The jets don't have Sam Darnold. They got Levian. They'll perhaps heard of him oh. BJ Back at the meadowlands Hannah Storm Keith Olbermann and take it away now sportscenter four o'clock.

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 537: Jets Pick For Sale (3-26-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 537: Jets Pick For Sale (3-26-2019)

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the Golden State media concepts football podcast, your latest news on and off the field. Be it college football big ten SEC big twelve Pac twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered. Listen to the Golden State media. Cut sets football podcast. Hello, everybody. And welcome to the G S M C football podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast. Now, I'm your host Jeff Mallon off. And boy, we got some interesting news for you today. We got the possible number three pick in the NFL draft being traded. But the question is who would want that number three picking is it necessary to take them or three pick or people already sitting in stone. They want at their certain position in the draft coming up in about a month. When there's a middle NATO ish in Nashville, Tennessee, so. With that being said, we're also going to be talking about certain. Certain news regarding this Steelers drama is that continues to be a pain and everyone's behind and potential game in China that forty Niners may maybe hosting and what that mean for the future of the NFL. So we'll talk about as well and everything else that needs to be discussed we will discuss. But first things first the jets are very quote, very open, Detroit, you the number three pick in this year's draft. And most of those draft mock drafts have the jets taking a Josh Allen at of Kentucky, not the quarterback at of Wyoming. Does he William and? Yeah, he's one of my ohm ING, but the edge rusher from Kentucky who is supposed to be a potential franchise player too. That's very interesting to say, the least and also it's coming to the attention of that they are saying if any. Any offers any officer Incheon will come their way. We will definitely take a look at them. But the question is what kind of offer are they thinking that is interesting to them. Like is it this year's first next year's first type of thing or is immoral on the lines of just like, maybe not this year's first. But next year's I if they don't get this your first next year, I but this your second that also could be a possibility. It's very casualty. So that could work always -ly so get out to give up some high draft picks high round for a second maybe even possibly third draft picks for that number three pick to get the Josh Allen or Quinton Williams that they desire. But that is that is my prediction of who's going to be the. That's going to be who is going to be the number three Piggly Javed's between those two definitely for me. And that's quitting Williams. And that is also. Josh Allen, either one is definitely a playmaker for a defensive for the jets. I mean, they could really use another defensive player that got CG Moseley. And the added Levy, I'm Bill. I mean, they could add a offense alignment to really boost that line and give Jona will Surena Williams. We'll only Williams could be the one drafted. But could get Levy on Pell. The the the aligned he needs to really break out this season. Obviously didn't break the Bank form like he wanted to go. Oh. L anyways, I'll be your all week. Yep. And that's true in the sermon. The joke wise anyways. I lost during thought anyways. Regarding just that number three pick. I'm interested to see what kind of offers people are willing to go. Because it seems to me that the jets don't really if they're very open as their quoted to have been, you know, what are they are? They not set on who they want for a draft pick are they doubting what they want for a draft pick. It just seems a bit. What's the word? I'm looking for it seems a bit suspicious to me that they're very open for a nother draft selection. Because of the fact that. The might not know what they want in the draft that honesty just might be the case in this scenario, and I really don't know how to describe that. And you know, they spent they broke the bingo CJ Moseley nine as much with Levy on belly. Could honestly I was expecting him to get what he wanted. But he got low ball at the end of the day to not he obviously everyone says he was off on Pittsburgh. But of course, that hostile environment will discuss that, of course, later. And it just seems that there's so much going on with the jets that they could be a potential keyword potential threat when it comes down to the AFC east. And of course, the almighty owners of the AFC eased. The patriots. I mean, I really don't have. An opinion yet on if they will be the team to knock off. To knock off the the the patriots of the powerful. Patriots. Patriots powerful. Patriots. What are? But I think it's becoming more along the lines of. How if the jets do continue with that number three pick? Or let's say they get they get the they get a first for next year. So we'll have to I for next year. But they don't have it. I this year, but they will keep their second and take that other teams seconds. So I'm I'm just just theory theorizing here this year suck in from a team and next year's first from a team. And that say, let's add next this ad next year's six and had this year seventh so four picks. Can they boost into a into a playoff caliber team with those four picks definitely with the high picks? But also you can't let you can rest easy on those low picks as well. Those low late round picks because the fact that how many hall of famers have come back undrafted even. So it's just one of those things are looking at it and going what are the jets looking for? What are they thinking about offers wise, and if they don't get what they want in a offer wise for a trade who are they gonna pick in the draft. Because like I said this is a defensive heavy class right here. The most talented defensive players in. And you don't really see this many defensive please elite defensive players like this. So obviously, it's a very difficult decision. Maybe they're so stuck on the Josh Allen, Quinn and Williams decision. Maybe maybe strong. Gary's in that conversation may be like I said Joe Williams, the offense a tackle from Alabama. But who knows what else is going to be the case in this in this situation. But you know, we'll see every mock draft. I see is Josh Allen. But honestly, I'm not letting go clean Williams is that good. You know? So it's it's tough definitely tough. To go on who's really good. A standout to them in the draft of anyone actually has stand out to them the draft yet because it seems to me that we really don't know who they're gonna pick because they wouldn't be to me. They wouldn't be quote, very open for you. If that was the case, that's all I'm saying that is just a lot of there's a lot of theories for me is all I'm saying. And. I don't know it just. How it goes like this, obviously the jets got Levy on Bill. They got CJ Moseley. They are to blue shippers on both ofensive and defensive sides of the ball. They're looking good. They have a rookie quarterback. Who's only getting started? They have just they have a solid team that can get better. And better. That's all that matters, basically, and it may take a year or three or four to have these guys shirt, not mature personality wise, just mature on the field marinate on the field wise, if that makes sense and get better that through that way. Because if that's the case, then this team could be a serious threat waiting for Tom Brady to go by. And you know, that also could be the case. And I don't know. I don't know how this could. How this else could go down. Maybe. I don't know. It just seems to me that there's a lot more options for the jets to make in this draft. Then most teams because obviously the first pick or the third pick in the draft is always a crucial pick to have. I don't think there's any doubt in that. But if there is doubt that people are crazy. But what I'm trying to say is how all this seems to be going down is the jets are looking at a long term plan here. I don't see this as them looking for a short-term. Let's win. Now. Type of thing. I think this is a we would we should win later. We got a plan to win later. It just seems to be that how that how this is going and. That's smart on their part because with you know, who in in the New England area. We have we have in. We have a we have they have a scenario where they're not probably gonna win. Because of the fact they're playing a dominant a dominated division. And they're probably not as good as the patriots yet. There's still probably a couple. They're probably a couple like I say couple of key players away. And that's just the bottom line there. I think that you got to be patient. If you're the jets and trading your first round pick. This year is probably a smart decision thinking in the long term plan. And when it comes down to let's say, I think in about three or four years from now if Sam Dr Sam darnold is the quarterback franchise quarterback for this team. They could definitely be a playoff contender. They could be conference championship contender. You know? They could be going to the Super Bowl all that good stuff. But I think it all depends on like how all the situation will go down based on just how management helps because this all leads management. That's how I think about it as I see this as a serious management. If they don't do well in the next couple of years, they struggle the jets do they don't have a winning season or anything like that. I'm blaming this on the management because they've given opportunities after opportunities to make these high time high profile picks and not be able to close on any of them. So that's his problem. My opinion when it comes down to it. But we're gonna take a short break here. When we come back. I like to talk about the Steelers drama because who doesn't love that drama. I mean, it's it's it's excellent of all the things that are breaking down. I think the Steelers era of of this playoff. They're not making the playoffs next year. I don't believe I think this is going to be a long road of recovery for them. Definitely. So we'll definitely talk about all that. And Mike Tomlin's responses to the drama as well as Tony Brown, and we'll get right on that. When we were turned. But also, we will talk about big Ben's potential big long contract extension that they're talking about. This this is well, and does that mean failure for the future of the Steelers? We'll be right back right after this. Are you looking for help with your fantasy football team? Check out the GSM. See fantasy football podcast get ten east. Best advice to start to sit even who you should draft from sleeper. Peixe red hot lineups. They got it all covered for you. That's GMC podcast dot com. Back slash fantasy. Dash football dash podcasts. We'll cover traditional leagues dynasty PR. Even I DP when you need fantasy. Hope there's just one show to hit up. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GS MC podcast dot com. For more info. Welcome back to the drama known as the Steelers. I mean, the spitball podcast of GMC. Ho the drama. We all love it. We all wear should happens. We all love it in high school and college well, not happening to us having to other people it's kind of cynical. But it's, but it's the truth. We love seeing the drama in worlds that we cannot control. And when it comes to the one Pittsburgh Steelers. It is entertaining. It is eight you can watch. Nothing but Steelers for twenty four hours and be entertained. Not. What do on the field what they do off the field? Mike Tomlin Antonio Brown. Former Steeler Antonio Brown. Former Steeler Levy on Bill current Steeler. Ben Rothlisberger who is seems to be the least liked quarterback in history. Arguably. Like, it's strange when you see nobody can say any praises about been rob as defend him in any way, shape or form. I have heard no defense about Ben Rothlisberger. And his personalities off the field. I've heard his praises on the field. I've never heard his praises off the field. Even on the field is limited at best. Yes. He's won two Super Bowls. He's he was suitable forty-three was one of the best games of all time. Superbowl forty Gould controversial against the Seattle Seahawks, regardless. Ben authors has the alka lades. But he doesn't have the. Called. The likeness likable nece. He's not likeable. When I remember him saying, I think it was a year or two ago that he earned the quizzes him. He earned the right to criticize players on soc on on interviews and media, and all that other thing, that's the moment. Where I was like this guy is full of hawk gas. You know, one has the right to criticize anybody to the media. You can criticize him to their face as a leader as a quarterback. You could say, hey, you need to work on this. Hey, I'm here to get better year here to give let's get better together. I'm gonna I'm gonna critique you. That's one thing. But the talk behind the players backing criticize them on a media scale on a. Social scale is crossing a line in my opinion. And the fact is the both been relatives. And the Steelers are nearing a contract extension. Now, it is unknown. How long this contract extension will be it could be one to three years and. I think that is a death sentence when it comes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think they need to just wait till his contract ends and move on which I'm pretty sure it ends next year. And why on earth would you want this guy? That literally some people say the reason the in Tokyo Brown and Levy about both left. Like, it is absolutely absurd. And when it comes down to it. Overall, you're looking at both. The Steelers organization and letting these things happen. In that sense of leading Ben Rothlisberger do as he pleases even know. Even though that. He's not the best guy to be around. So the are like, okay. So this is the news. They're still ongoing, and it's probably his last contract. Let's look at Ben Rothlisberger Kern contract at the moment. And I know I'm for certain -ted ends next year. That is as of right now he has one year left on his contract. And his yes. And his contract ends in two thousand twenty as he is one year. He had thirty one million guaranteed, which is while and he's gonna get paid up to twelve million dollars base pay. And at the moment. It's he's getting his total earnings would be up to ninety nine million dollars. Before his four year eighty seven million dollar deal. He had a six year eighty seven point nine million dollar deal. So he had them bigger contract with six years, but it wasn't by much. And fact of the matter is he is a millionaire hundred hundred times over basically if he is money correctly. Of course. And. He also had a restructured multiple times in twenty twelve twenty eleven twenty thirteen and got bonuses for those restructure contracts. So. With him being a free agent next year and unrestricted free agent as well. Are they looking to extend him for two years extended for three years on thinking the most Bessis three years? I on see it happening at three or contract. I see at C a best to my opinion is a two year contract. Let's go with fifteen million dollars. But he probably won't accept that. Because he's been rothlisburger, and he'll probably have some problem with it because it's kind of his ordeal kind of his MO to just like, it just seems like nothing is ever satisfied with them to be completely honest. But regardless I think it comes down to the point where you're looking at an and going, okay. What are you gonna do with these next couple years when it comes down to it? And. I on the do not see he's the problem. He is arguably the cancer of your team, and you ready to die with him. And he is one of those guys you're looking at this and going. Wow. This is not what's happening at all. This is not what's supposed to be. What's going on? He's supposed to be our franchise. He's been the franchise. But now he's like their franchise killer. He's the opposite. Let's this is I guess I don't use the word killer. So let's go franchise. What's the opposite of franchise player? A. A ten day contract player like in the NBA. It's really hard to think about how this will all go down. But it seems to me it's almost a foregone conclusion that he will sign an extension with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I just have a feeling that Ben Rothlisberger. Like, no, one repeat. No one has anything to say praise wise about this guy. Antonio Brown doesn't bell when Tonio Brown when you're riders who's made you who you may look like a superstar or maybe other way movie way round. Has problems with you? That's a problem. And yeah, you can blame in Tokyo Brown. I get that you can blame Livio. It's like it's always gonna be Ben big Ben's team. He seems like he's power hungry guy. He won't let anyone have their way yada, yada, yada. I kinda get all these situations. And it's just an interesting thing to look at when it comes down to the point that. It's almost a detriment to the team when you're being this much of a pain if you will. And the question remains. With been rothlisburger under center. And not grooming. Someone new for the future are you into nihil that you need help. Are you in denial that you are need a rebuild mode? I know what Mark Souza set in the past where he was saying that they don't rebuild and they don't. By think they're being stubborn to the point where they can't candidate. They actually need to they need to. And they I stand by what I say they need to start in a rebuild period. The Browns are the new face of the AFC north. Or it's going to be a battle between the ravens and the Browns with the Bengals sealers being at the bottom nine maybe not just of the dividend. But maybe the entire AFC in general. And I say that why. Why keep a forty year old quarterback the patriots keeping one because one he's actually winning games and just one another Super Bowl and Binda three straight. So he's actually doing suffered duct of and you just missed the playoffs. So what does that tell you? I think it's hells you that you need to find another quarterback. I honestly would recommend that this picture sealers draft a quarterback in the first round. I think they should go after the Daniel Jones, I think they should go after one of those guys to think about their for their future or ju- law or just somebody, you know, just somebody for the future. Maybe not in the first round. Maybe the second round or something. I think they just need to think about moving forward and moving into a rebuild mode. And. With a thank you one hour ago, ESPN Instagram juju Smith Schuster and James praising Ben Rothlisberger. Well, they've only been only for a year less than roughly. And I guess I think I think Antonio Brown among others Levy on Belem on others would know more about him better off this bigger that is than they do. I think that's an honest assumption when it comes down to it and. I really am curious to see how else this all goes down. And. If maybe juju and James Connor both great players, by the way will end up in a situation where they're basically Antonio Brown and. And Levy mbelle where they're thinking. They can't be. They can't be a factor. They can't be the guy because they have a guy smothering them if you will. And it just seems like there's a lot of questions regarding Big Ben Rothlisberger character, and and just questioning his ability. Because I mean, let's face it guys getting old. There's been a problem when it comes down to. His leadership skills. And I think that just a leading to a problem. But overall fight against the Steelers record this next season. You know, I'm going with. Three and thirteen. Okay. Maybe not that. Maybe maybe we'll go somewhere. We'll go a little higher. We'll go. Let's go. Five eleven. Final definitely light nine eleven five and eleven teams a big accurate statement for where the sealers are heading. And you can disagree. I just think that's where they're going. It's just seems to me that that's where the destiny lies maybe not the destiny lies. But it seems where. Oh, yeah. That's actually, no I'm back. That is whether dusty lies. And you know in a whole Cogan goes, this is where the power lies points had his palm. This is where the power lies, brother. This is where the mediocrity or the this is what the delusion this is where the. Leadership is not brother, and that's been his hands. So yes, when this comes down to it when we go down to this road of failure for the Steelers, which is going to happen. And if I'm wrong, you can call me out on it. I'm not afraid to say I was wrong. But. It comes. It comes down to a certain point where if it hits if they lose his fault. I'm blaming Ben Rothlisberger blaming the front office for keeping him and all this stuff. I think personally that. If it doesn't happen. Now, it will happen eventually. I think they need to get a quarterback a new one draft one raise him. And what's what's? Sorry. I'm thinking draft a quarterback and then Ingo like and having strike Ben Rothlisberger down complete his training. And then the road to the dockside would be complete. And that's how the new quarterback should rise is strike down the old guard, and then his dark side will be complete. Yes. Yes. It would. 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Like, I said before the NFL might be going to China for a game as the forty Niners might host a game in China keyword might for the twenty twenty season. So this might not happen this year netter, but then that's full east quest to expand its global reach could result in a pair of teen plan in China next year in the lead athletics. Matt brow, borrow Barra barrows, and I've owners or spending to discuss the possibility plain regular season game in China a regular season not a regular season game and in two thousand twenty with Beijing and Shanghai being both considered as the host city. The San Francisco point in would tentatively be designated home team with the Los Angeles Rams possibility as the away team at having previously shown interest in the concept. And John Lynch said prior Monday bought per borrows barrows as football guy, usually pretty protective. Like, hey, it's let's make sure this is good for our team. I think one thing we feel comfortable with is that CEO jed York and team President Al Guido, always keep that in mind. So we're not going to do that. We're not going to do anything that's going to put us at a disadvantage. But if we can grow the game and also have a cool experience will make it work. They would lose it home game Levi's under these circumstances. As the Rams are unlikely to lose that type of thing because they'll have their new stadium by twenty twenty and that's just not a smart idea in the long run. But if this does work if they do go to China as they've already been in New Mexico, that's not very far. But granted and they've already been to. They've already been a London. They've had a game in London. And they go to China. Does this mean we're getting closer and closer to the maybe the inevitable expansion? For the NFL in Europe. I'm only saying year for now because we'll let's back up a sec. But I think the first things first when it comes to expansion outside the United States. Obviously, it's something that has been talked about in rumored for many many years. And there was at one point a prediction of. One point eight prediction of having a whole entire league or division excusing based in Europe. And. With that being said. They tried the NFL Europe league. But that is a small league with minor league players type of thing. So it wasn't ever get a release successful. But if we had to multiple teams, if they did ever do the English the Europe expansion, and they had professional owners, and all that other kind of thing, then it could work it could one hundred percent work. And. Overall. I would say. I think it will happen. But not for a long long time is first things first. Need to have four five four five teams there for five expansion drafts for five. Different stadiums built in just inexpensive multibillion dollar, maybe the most expensive thing we could have. And. With that being said. How I see this all going down is we are going have international teams. But it's not going to start in Europe. It's obviously we have to start this in Canada, and possibly Mexico and go from there. I think the first team first city that should get a team is Toronto. I think it's a big enough city big enough market to make it work in the NFL. And then possibly Mexico City. I think that'd be a good fan base to work with but feel conditions obviously last year they're supposed to play in Mexico today. But he was putting enters Rams actually ironically enough we're gonna play for the first time for the first time, but they were going to play in Mexico City at that time but the field conditions were quote unusable. So they moved into LA. So what that you have to look at? Well, maybe they need a brand new stadium over there. They need. It may just I feel that. If you're good move to Europe. If you're going to have games in Europe, you might have to think about future other destinations and you've already had already had football games in Canada before as well. But in order to test to see this works. That's worth things get complicated complicated complicated because you want to test the waters and see if this work franchise near work. But if you do move franchise to Europe, you got up you can't just have them disband after a season or two if it doesn't work. That's like a multibillion dollar investment down the drain, and then you have to find new homes for each of those players, ownerships coaches, and what have you so do you? Here's here's my theory. Here's my guess at least. Maybe. You look at it. As more along the lines of. Putting team that. Like, you know, the raiders situation like where they are looking for a home. They ended up staying in Oakland for the last season for they went to Las Vegas. If there was another situation like that. And they can find a home. Would you move them to London or excuse me Toronto? And see how they do their and go from there. But again, you also have to look at the issues possibly them not knowing that's their own team. That's not their fan. That's their team. You don't really have that much of a die hard fan base there for that particular team. So he might have to risk it all and take a take a multi-billion-dollar chance at making the team in that in that in that city, but. If you do make one in that city lake which ones I is it Toronto. Is it? Mexico is it anywhere else in Canada. Or do you take a risk and put it in London and make the scheduling almost impossible for a lot of teams when they had to play in London in for those London in London team to go all the way to. To the US and play most of their play half their games. So it's kind of a rough situation. But I think one day. It's going to go like this. This is my prediction least. We are going to have Lee of division in Europe. Whether it's an NFC. NFC Europe, teen or some or. I'm not sure how you gonna do it. Maybe you need more than one division because you need to even out the league. See my need an AFC Europe, an NFC Europe, if you will which will lead to ten London ten Europe-based Europe Asian based teams, and then you're in another tight spot. That's maybe up to a trillion dollars, you know of investment, but. Looking at it all in perspective of how to make this right in how not to burn out a lot of your players from exhaustion, especially the London team that has to play away eight games out of the year and go to the United States. They'll take so much Adia man that that that's fatigue. Right. There was at twelve hour flights eight eight to twelve hour flights. I mean, those take a lot Adia, man. Like, I just moved back from Hawaii was six hours and took so much out of me. I can't imagine doing that. And then adding extra hours to that flight, you know, it just imagine going from London and having to play team in California. I mean, that's just on realistic. So how or you know? If you just added one team one team per year and put them in different divisions. I see that won't work either. I'm thinking the only way European. A NFL expansion to Europe would work is if you had a Europe division because coach will be a lot lighter, but three or four games would be international instead of eight which I think is a huge difference. You play to two four six eight eight eight games out of the sixteen year, still he oh. Yeah. Eight a bunch of your about half of your over half of your way games are good to be in division. And home games. Of course, her easy in that sense of the word it could work, but that takes money, and I don't think the NFL's ready to do that. But this game this happens in China with the and the point added to the ranch, which sounds like that's going to be the match up if they do go through with it. But again, this is all assumption. And there's a lot of differences. And there's a lot of a lot of question marks revolving around. International based NFL. Would it work? Oh, there's a very good chance. It could work. I feel like that people really underestimate the international feel of the NFL. And of course, there's also the facts of looking at first, Canada and Mexico. But if you're good attempt to go to Europe, you gotta be really arrest trillions upon trillions of dollars, and that's a big risk. And I did say trillions because you gotta Halley's what five Europe teams and each each Rina's multibillion dollar, okay, maybe not trillion, but it's gonna feel like that. Okay. Hundred billion roughly, I'm that's probably the most that's going to be spent. So that can also be an issue. It's it's just it's it's an experiment. Definitely to see. What could go down? When it comes down to a European expansion. If it does happen. Won't happen for probably ten years. I think it could be successful. And then you can have international Super Bowl in one din or in. What else besides London? Wow way. I can do this. What other big time? Oh like. I guess you do the same places. Like you did like they did in NFL Europe like Amsterdam and all those other places, but that's kind of small too. There's a lot to think about. And we'll see how it goes. But that's show today. Thank you so much joining us, and as always I'm Jeff off and I'll see in next time. Have a good day. Everybody you've been listening to the Golden State media concepts football podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. 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