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Taylor Behl /// Part 2 /// 397

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Taylor Behl /// Part 2 /// 397

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Well he had some charges for assault and breaking and entering and I think it goes even beyond that one thing that I find. Extra troubling here is statements. We have from some of her friends. The say that Taylor had gotten into this habit of parking her car on Ben Fawley Street on the street that he lived on because there were no parking meters there for her to worry about. So what I'm getting at here with this captain is we have this situation where there seems to be some kind of friendship between the two. It looks to me like Ben. Fawley thinks that it is. The friendship is one thing that it is not and then we also have the situation of heat. He's got a violent past a history of violence and he also probably could know when she's coming and going because he could visually see her vehicle parked on his street. Well yeah and again the ruse of our some photos for you and and we know that he's involved in these odd pornographic sites well in regardless of whatever. Their relationship was or their friendship. I should say friendship because relationship makes it sound like something that was not regardless of what their friendship was. The the thing is her friends that knew about folly. All really say hey. I think she was starting to realize that Ben Folly was more screwed up than she really wanted to deal with but again it appears that they may still have been hanging out. Now when questioned by police about this friendship with Taylor Ben. Fawley said that he had no idea where she was and he was worried about our. He said the last time he saw her was around nine thirty pm on that Monday night when she left his apartment after they he said after they hooked up. Police didn't believe him and fact they named him as one of several persons of interest in the case on October third but the problem was ben folly maintained that he had an alibi before Taylor had even been reported missing. Ben Fawley went to the police station and filed a report alleging that he had been assaulted on the street by several guys. The timeframe he cited for the attack was around five. Am on September six. This occurred in an alley near Franklin Street and Monument Avenue Folly alleged that he was hit with an unknown object in a bag placed over his head and then he was thrown in a car and driven around by several men before being released on a dirt road and he had to hitch a ride home and they do have evidence of this. We have the person that he hits ride from saying. You know cooperating. The story to eat markings on his individual. Well so police looked carefully at this claim. Trying to determine like you said captain whether this was true or not the problem is if it is true that it seems very likely that folly could not have been responsible for abducting Taylor folly filed this report around four. Pm on Tuesday. He made vague references to the attack. Likely being a result of a long running altercation with with an axe or another photographer over rights to some photographs which seems a little loosey. Goosey to me while you know those photographers they like to. There are bad bunch they they they have a gang of people. And they're gonNA abduct you place a bag over your head and hit you with objects. The police officer whose name appears on the incident report did note that folly admitted that he was extremely. He says he was extremely intoxicated. When the alleged attack took place he also said that he took medication for bipolar disorder. Now Okay and let's let's dive into that real quick because most of the the medication that you would be on for bipolar or not things that you would one want to drink on but they could also cause you death if you do drink on those medications again though you are. A- level individual who makes good decisions. We once again find ourselves discussing a guy who does not make good decisions. I would be taken this Report as officer and when I would say officer's name I'd put silly goose so the thing that I have trouble with here I don't know really why this would be considered any type of alibi because folly says it. He lasts all Taylor if we are to believe him at nine thirty PM and then maintain that the attack happened at five. Am right hours hours later. Seems to me like you had plenty of time to a doctor kill or do whatever during that that timeframe bought and we have footage of her leaving her dorm but they're going to find footage of him outside her dorm room Yeah so but again. He's not denying that they hung out that night. Well and the thing is I think what we have here is really kind of front. A bit of a tactic by police. We saw how smart they were with the vehicle situation. Valence vehicle. Yeah I think they thought. Hey this Ben Fawley. He's pretty dumb. He's pretty stupid. We had a meeting all right all of us. Investigators and police officers we got together and we took a vote and we decided this guy's a real idiot. So here's how the meeting went a raise your hand if you think this guy is a dumb ass and nineteen hands went up and then one guy was just kind of sitting there playing on his phone he he wasn't paying attention now. One Guy was one guy was like but I really like his van. I saw it on the news. Pretty Cool So I think they all kind of agreed. This guy's an idiot and they're like publicly let's go out and say hey we we understand. He's somebody that we're interested in. We understand that there was some kind of friendship going on. But we have to clear we have to figure this whole. He was allegedly attacked situation. Out We have to figure out if he actually has an alibi or not make him think that you're kind of falling for right And see if he does something dumb because this guy has nothing but a history of thirty some years of doing dumb things. So he may. He may give you whatever you need. He may give you that smoking gun so you can figure out what he is actually been up to because even though we have them on record saying that. I don't believe that they were falling for anything that he was saying. And I also like you said. Where's the evidence of this do? Where's the person that gave you the ride home yet? I'm trying to see where you're going with this guy and my timeline. I know what cops do next but I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Well I really think that it was just a to me. It looks just like a front that they were putting on at the time. I think behind closed doors. They didn't think anything of this alleged attack other than it was a false alibi that it was something that he created to explain away a big window of time that he needs to be accounted for What seems like our thoughts about their investigation. Captain are correct. I mean they seem to be suspicious folly and this did not come out until later but what we do know took place that police did review that security cameras surveillance footage from Taylor's dorm on the last night that she was seeing and asked said she seen entering the building around ten twenty pm. She walks through the lobby to the doors on the right hand side of the frame presumably to head up to her room but someone else then enters the lobby at ten twenty one and paces around for a few minutes clearly waiting for someone. And who is this person? Data Ben Fawley Boehner sniffer so his statement of Hey. I last saw her in the nine o'clock hour can't be true. You followed her in. We have video surveillance footage of you following her into the lobby of her residence at ten. Twenty in the ten o'clock hour right in that she's GonNa come back out to hang out with them so again we know he's lying about the timeframe or dismiss remembering but it's almost like he knew that he was caught on tape so he has to omit that he was hanging out with her that night. I don't understand this whole I was attacked and that set in alibi but the timeframe would be early morning hours and not around that ten PM to twelve PM window but I think where he really messed up is when he was telling the cops well and we hooked up that night. Now we have her friends saying yes. They were intimate before but she didn't want to do that again. That's not to say that she wouldn't of been intimate with them again. I mean we. We have proof that she was intimate with him before so I would actually argue that that would mean there's more of a possibility just because she told her friends that she didn't want to do it again but that leads to please to go. Well she's seventeen and this is going to be enough for us to get a search warrant to search his apartment while you are exactly right because what's going on here. I believe re reading between the lines. I think that police had an idea that folly was with her at a time that he did not give to them. I think they knew that for a while I think there are. They are trying to figure out what else was he involved in and I also think that just because they didn't ask him about that ten o'clock hour he may be unaware of the security camera footage that he was seen on camera. They were seen on camera together at ten twenty four and then they both leave their joint. Departure is not actually caught on camera but neither of them are seen on camera again so we can assume that they left together while here. Here's why say not? Not Maybe the footage that the cops actually had. But here's this guy that's been around campus long enough to know. The campus is heavily secure. There's tons of security cameras everywhere so knowing that you met her on campus you could just assume that at some point they have you on video foot bright and maybe nine thirty thing is it his way of trying to explain that away right but also by sane knowing that you met her on campus. This is why you have to tell the police while I was with her that night for a little bit we hooked up and then she left and I don't know what happened to her. So the security surveillance footage plus the fact that he willingly tells police we hooked up. She's underage. This is enough to allow officers to obtain a search warrant for Ben Follies apartment which was located at four zero seven Hancock Street on September sixteenth. They went in and searched this apartment and the search warrant. Must have included. You know you have to specifically state what you are seeking in this war. A must've included electronic devices. Because we know that police left carrying some computers after this I search and what they found on those computers lead to the arrest of Ben Fawley on September. Twenty third. Captain would you like to do the honors and inform us as to what was found on these computers? Well what's interesting is. I don't think it's just on the computers. I think maybe also on diskin things like that. There was a lot of child pornography. He tries to explain that away by Saint. Some of this was laughed by the tenant before me. I didn't even know it was there. But that connects plane away the child pornography that was actually found on the hard drives and they had multiple computers with extremely large amounts of hard drive space. I mean especially for that time. Two thousand five. That's right there so there wasn't really anything on the computers linking folly directly to Taylor's disappearance although there were those pictures of her that we discussed hundreds of pictures of her yeah and hundreds of pictures of images of child pornography. Well on not just what bribed but the media release. Yeah I mean not just that but also just tons of Berry. I don't know what the creek term would be. You have pornography and then you have this more like this demotic pornography. Okay so this next bits going to the next ninety seconds might get a little difficult to listen to. But here's what I have in my notes. Okay so police said they discovered a massive quote a massive amount of extremely graphic child pornography featuring children as young as three and four years old being raped by some reports as many as seven computers loaded with pornography were confiscated from the apartment according to the Richmond Times dispatch senior assistant. Commonwealth's Attorney Mike Jag oils. Later told judge Kimberly O'Donnell that there were as many as thirty movie files discovered on computers. That were removed from follies apartment. Some depicting acts with minors as young as one. This is this just tough to even read minors young as one or two years old and others featuring individuals ten to fourteen years old folly of course maintain that the computers were not his as you pointed out. He says they belong to a former resident of the apartment. No one was buying this load crap that he was trying to shovel Robert. This just proves how this guy's story changes constantly. He's always has some excuse for things and so that's when you really know that. Most likely whatever happened to her was at the hands of this individual so like we said this results in his arrest and also results in a second more comprehensive search of his apartment while that. But here's what's Great. We can put him in for these charges and then because of these charges we can go back and look for more evidence we can build our case and know exactly where he is and hold him and he can't do anything to get rid of evidence in the process so the things that they were looking for in the second search many of the items that were listed on the search warrant included things that would belong to Taylor. You know her clothing her her jeans. Black Hoodie sneakers. Black Watch bracelets Saint Francis Necklace student. Id Nokia Cell Phone and car keys. All of that's listed on the war also listed. Were skateboards sometimes. You WanNa put a generic term out there so you can take any skateboard that you find burglary tools. This would probably go back to his previous convictions. There are also looking for knives hammers shovels and pry bars. And then I found this to be strangers. Always something strange listed on these search warrants on here we have the ever suspicious pepperidge farm cookie boxes but yeah I couldn't figure out I have no idea why this would be on the warrant. The cops were hungry. I don't know if they had reason to believe that she would have had one of these cookie boxes in her possession at the time that she went missing and maybe that then they can go. Okay is it might be coincidence. But it also might be a sign that she was here right later that night. I don't have a complete look. Incomplete list of what was found in the apartment. But here's what we do know was taken out of the house. Pursuant to the search warrants women's white underwear a laptop computer a Macintosh computer a digital camera sex toys including dildos and spiked bracelets a knife. Two bags of clothes from a garbage can outside of the house a beaded necklace with a cross from this was removed from the garbage as well. A bicycle chain necklace. A watch from the garbage can a thirty five millimeter camera. A box containing bones. He collected weird things like that where everybody has a right to have weird shit. Oh Yeah Yeah we we we. We all probably own some weird shit rolls of film. I mean we probably don't have a bunch of dildos lane around A black brawl a machete. Cigarette BUTTS A prescription bottle skateboards they did find skateboards yearbook a hatchet. A hammer a pry bar a thirty two caliber cartridge and a partridge in a pear tree. I mean it just goes on and on and on the one thing. That was rather interesting of note here captain. Police also removed a section from a box spring that was stained with some kind of Reddish Brown substance they did include and executed a warrant for follies hair and DNA samples. Not Found Taylor cell phone that they were looking for her college. Id Her car keys again. Anything linking Fawley Ben Fawley directly to Taylor's disappearance does not seem to have been found just on the child porn possession alone police had enough to charge folly with a felony. And as you said hold him while they continue to build a case against him regarding Taylor's disappearance and they also charged him with a possession of a firearm because remember he's a convicted felon. He's not legally permitted to be in possession of a gun but the their investigation takes pretty interesting. Turn as far as because you you collected all the stuff but but where do you go from that? I mean that none of this other than the child porn pornography. Can you charge him with or like you said the the gun possession charged so you can add that on top of things but well. They're going to go to the public for help okay. Because on October eleventh police announced that they were specifically interested in the sightings of the following items between the dates of September fifth and September seventeenth. They WANNA know. Had anybody seen a white Ford escort? That's remember that's the vehicle. Virginia License Plate J. P. C. Twenty eight forty eight and they asked the public to call in sightings of the vehicle and a description of whomever may have been driving the vehicle at the time. They wanted to know who had been driving. Taylor's car around Richmond. During that time that they can't figure out where it was they also wanted people to report any sightings of of Virginia personalized license plates G. R. N. E. R. T. age. This was a plate stolen from a vehicle around the time Taylor disappeared and police believed it might have been in follies possession and they also sought information about that. Ohio state license plate as well right. So what's interesting to me is while they need the public's help it seems like they have a general idea of what was going on. At the time he abducted he did something to Taylor and was moving her vehicle round during the time that it was unaccounted for and he may have been switching out the plates multiple times along the way right. Because if you know this girl's missing you you see work kind of car. She has. How many people saw that car looked at the license plates and went while? That's not her car. Yeah yeah it also came out around the same time? The media reported that folly used his credit card to buy gas in new Kent County between Mathews County and Richmond on the night. That Taylor disappeared. So this really kind of to me would suggest that his later claimed that he was attacked. There doesn't seem to be any time left for that to actually have taken place. It's the old jussie. Smollet jumped farce. We got going on there. Meanwhile Taylor's family lawyer cleaned out Taylor's dorm room taking all of her possessions back to her hometown of Vienna and they stayed at Taylor's family basically stated even if she is found alive she's not going to be returning to vcu at this time. There's too much going on here and 'cause at this point you have to believe that she's -ducted and so if you do find her alive. There's no way that you're GonNa want her parents for her to be around that facility to have any of those bad memories well. Things are looking very very bleak by this time and now they're really honing in on folly and he's locked up and they can start. They WanNa start going through his social circles. Now we're going to publicly asked the public for help but we're going to get into his social circles and ask these people for help and one of the people that they come across. Is this young woman named Aaron who was also a VC use student and somewhat of a friend or acquaintance of Taylor's an oddly kind of looks like she could be related to tailor definitely. Looks like Taylor's mother like there's a lot of similarities there and she's a little older than Taylor She's twenty three at the time. Apparently she dated Ben Fawley for some time. I guess they only dated for a couple of months before Aaron broke up with him and she. She probably didn't WanNa come forward because of such an embarrassment that she dated this Douche in the first place well I think she was the one that the charges some of his previous convictions stemmed from so well. He had a history of these girls after a while. Yeah but oddly he would. He would start dating them and because let me take pictures of you. You're so beautiful. And he would make these girls feel like they're the best thing in the world but then that became all well now. I'm jealous of everybody else and I just love you so much. I'm jealous of everybody else and then become aggressive almost like self sabotaging the relationship like well. And here's the thing to captain going on. Now we've seen a lot of these types of cases anytime. Detectives think that we have somebody who needs to hide something that they never ever want anyone to find they start asking the people that know them best. Okay is there anywhere that he liked to camp or go fishing or go hunting. You know outdoor activities. What does he do and where does he go? They start talking to Aaron. They start showing her picture after picture from his. Pho- photography webpage because they need her to identify some of these locations. Here's picture tell us where you think this area is? Yeah who take pictures of girls and things like that but would also take pictures of old rundown sheds and you know just fields in in random items and locations so one photo that caught her eye. You know she's looking at photo after photo. Finally she sees one and she's like Holy Moly. This might be something here. This is a photo of an old abandoned house with like a Tin Lean to attached to it. The House was oddly enough located on her family farm. Which was about ninety miles away from Richmond in Mathews County right and I think he. She took there at some point. Maybe they've been shot. Shot those photos together well and remember we talked about folly purchasing gas with his credit card right out that night now all of a sudden this photo of an old abandoned house ninety miles away out in the middle of nowhere seems very important for all of our sakes. We need to avoid crowds any way we can right now. But what if you need to go to the post office? What if you need postage to send out letters and don't worry? Stamps DOT COM is here to help with stamp dot com. You can print postage on demand and skip those lines and crowds at the post office. You personally print official. 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Thank you for telling a friend about our little garage show to thanks for your friends not to listen to and thank you to you captain and they and they thank you and thank you to our friends that listen all right. We might have might have had a few too many now. I love you man on October up right on October. Fifth Police headed out to the site. Where that photo was taken this accompanied by Aaron? They photo. Yeah and they're going to be searching this whole area and before too long. They identified a body any plastic bag in a ditch off the side of a wooded road. The remains were very decomposed but were wearing clothing. That was similar to what Taylor was wearing when she disappeared. Sure enough. The medical examiner soon identified the remains as Taylor beale based on dental records. One thing about this girl. That's helping out the police. There she goes out to our family's property. She doesn't know what she's GonNa find. They've they've find Taylor she that has thing about the relationship she had with this person. And how that possibly could have been her that'd be very traumatic experience. There are several theories as to why this area may have been chosen for the the dump site. The seem a little odd. Who knows what was going on in the mind of the person who placed her there so there. There's one theory that I do find this interesting. I don't think it has anything really to do with the case. But there's a thought that maybe Ben Fawley thought if he put her on errands family's property that maybe it would get confusing to investigators in Aaron. Could somehow be involved in Taylor's disappearance possibly we. We know he lies about everything. I think what likely happened is this is just unfortunately a place of popped into his mind when he thought of like we said earlier. Hey I got something. I don't want anybody to ever find and he thought this was a good place to put it well. They're going to go back with this information. This is basically now the cops have a loaded gun that they component him and he's going to start confessing to what he claims happened that night. Yeah and one thing that they will be equipped with when they go in to talk with. Fawley is they took some soil samples from the undercarriage of Taylor's vehicle and they were able to match those two soil samples taken from the area where the body was found so they are able to piece a lot of this together before they even talked to them. They where she was found. They have a general idea what happened to her being that she was either abducted or killed and then transported in her own vehicle out to that location and then we know the vehicle came back to the vcu campus area and was was placed there now or died in a manner that did not leave visible marks on her body so they were unable to determine the exact cause of death. There was no broken bones or obvious signs of death. Now Mind you. She rather decomposed at this time. Folly continued to deny that he had anything to do with this. But that's not going to last very long captain just like you pointed out because he will he will offer up some kind of confession well of sorts and this was against the recommendation of his attorney folly told investigators that on the night of September fifth. He and Taylor had driven out to a beach in the Mathews County area to Hook Up. He said he was very drunk and high at the time and was off his meds the two engaged in what he called rough sex and he said Taylor accidentally died according to him. The two had played a sex game and it was all Taylor's idea she wanted to try Roddick But backfired and when she died he panicked and dumped her body in that ravine although he tried to spin this off as some type of accident folly himself may have made mention of what he planned to do to Taylor in one journal entry by Skulls Sixty Seven and eight journal subtitled playing with fire. The trash of a crazy ex-con he wrote about his sexual conquests with partners referred to by their initials like an e. He also talked about someone with the initials. T and said that there was something he still wanted to try with her. This was before Taylor died. Taylor's mother was quick to dispute follies version of the events. Of course she says. Let's be clear. Ben Fawley murdered my daughter. She said in a news conference. His claim that it was accidental is just one more perversion of the truth and his changing web of allies that he claims that there they went out to this location. They're trying to hook up there in the back seat of the car that he was drunk in high in an office medication all that stuff they were trying to put a bag over her head during sex. That wasn't really working. 'cause she wanted a pass out this what he's claiming and so then. He took the bag off her head but then put it around her nose and mouth now once she stopped breathing. Here's a strange thing. As during his confession he doesn't dump the body that night doesn't he doesn't just go all. I got to get rid of her and take the car back. He claims that he comes back to Vcu with her body in the back seat and and that the cars parked there for a day or so then he drives back out to that. Same location than than than dumpster there But again this guy will lie about everything. Yeah and as you pointed out earlier. His story changes win. It needs to. He has an excuse. He has a story. He has an alibi until boom. You present them with facts with truthful evidence and facts that you know to be true and then he says well. Here's a different story for you. Bobby here's the thing. Though is he already has more and more charges. That are mounting against him. Yeah and what's difficult? Though for the Prosecution for the state captain is that we do have this while it does not seem likely it is a plausible defense of this was an accident and maybe he shouldn't be charged with murder. We also have the problem that we really have very little forensic evidence in this case at all So it's going to take a good amount of time. In fact it was not until January. Seventeenth of two thousand and six then a grand jury handed down an indictment of folly. This was for first degree murder. I would love. I would love to try this case. Once the Grand jury was told it was explained that the medical examiner could not have identified an exact cause of death because of the decomposition. Then we have an indictment that was amended to second degree murder. The death penalty obviously going to be off the table at this point now despite holes in their case prosecutors went full steam ahead preparing for a trial working with investigators. Trying build a circumstantial case to prove that Taylor was not the initiator of this so called sex game that she was not bondage or erotic fixation or really would not have consented to any of this crap and that that folly killed her and probably deliberately killed her. It was not an accident by any stretch of the imagination on his defense team saying well she was she wanted to try this because he had tons of pornography on his computer and showed her some different things and choose like. Aw like to try that yeah. That's what he claims but but it doesn't matter I mean the the idea that that Anybody female or male would be on trial for wanting to try something sexually sh. That's her right to that. Doesn't equal being murdered right? You know so. It doesn't matter how you slice. It doesn't matter if it was his idea or her idea. That does that should never equal murder. So what we have here. Captain is in August of two thousand six. The murder trial is about to begin. But what we get I man I so love this. We get a gift for the prosecution because folly opens his big mouth. That's right folly. Made the mistake of talking in his defense attorneys. Got Wind of this and a jailhouse conversation with an officer folly describing on set it up a little bit better because he is coming back to his cell. After after this There was a meeting And and basically this. This web allies that he's been casting. He claims that it's the ultimate chess. Move Right he says he's playing a chess game and really this story that he came up about Taylor's accidental. Death was really just that just a story designed to clear him to take the heat off of him. Explain away what happened. But it's not what actually happened and then we have a little bit more. Holy Okay because you you know this better than me. This is the part. That's kind of confused me because he makes a mission to This officer and then officer. Let's the defense team. No now they can't they can't represent that idea because they know it's a lie that right. No I think the thought here is. We have people that are going to testify that he was lying about the story right and and then we have this weird thing where he's writing letters from jail to a female friend. The prosecution gets a hold of these letters. They did not help follies case. I don't know exactly what was in these letters. But these were mentioned during this portion of the story. And what this leads to is by August ninth. We have folly consulting with his attorneys and they decide that folly should take an Alfred play for second degree murder and exchange for prosecutors dropping the child pornography charges out at the plea proceedings prosecutors and defense attorneys. Were able to present their cases to the judge whose job it is then to determine whether there was enough evidence to warrant folly taking such a plea the confession. His tapes of his confession or so-called confession were played in court and later transcripts were released to the media. More details about this confession came out and you went through quite a bit of that when you were telling us about what happened. One thing I've found weird was its sites that Taylor wanted to play a game that she called drunk monkey and again. It's it's almost. It seems a little silly to go through this confession when we know so much of it is just completely false and we can. We can say that based off of his plea off of his later plea where he accepts that he's going to be convicted of this. Yeah I mean and again I have some questions but I don't think it matters like what she alive when they went out to this location. I don't know did he. Did he bring did he? Actually bring the body back to bring Taylor back You know I don't think it matters. I think at the end of the day no matter what he states everything else again. He can still say he's still saying in prison. I'm not the cause of her death. She wanted to try something. It was an accident while we know that you told people. Hey I'm a genius. I came up with this excuse but everything else points to murder right this this happens. She blacks out. She stops breathing. You don't call nine one one. You then claim that you transport her body back to camp campus. Not Telling Anybody Die. Equals murder you then changed license plates. Multiple Times on that car that equals murder. You then lie to the cops about what happened. That equals murder. You then lie to everybody and tell her family almost braggadocious way while we hooked up that night. No you did it. You probably raped her. That equals murder you then constantly lie about everything and all these twists and turns and take not only the please but the family members of your victim on this wild ride. All that stuff equals murder and then you put her out in the middle of nowhere and her in. This is what her mom says for her body to be eaten by animals and bugs and insects. 'cause you don't have respect for human life you have respect for this young lady. This was not your friend because all that stuff equals murder while and unfortunately it seems like four Ben Fawley well for those around him anyway that he was ramping up to something like this probably for quite some time. Now I don't have those all those letters that he wrote to his friend while he's in jail but when hold on. First Ladies get better friends you who whose who. Who's the person communicating with this fuck? You know well. We do have a portion of one of those letters and this is going to be. What really is going to seal the deal here. And they read this allowed in the The plea proceedings. I believe that all of them all of these letters were read but the one that made its way to the media is this and this is directly from follies written letter to his friend. He says quote people don't like me they never do as a child. I had no friends. I was a bother in the way a problem so I spent most of my life alone. I never liked the thoughts in my head. People are right. Something's wrong with me. All the thoughts of killing and death in my head and now it's true. I've killed someone. These are his own words at the conclusion of the Alford Plea Hearing Judge William Shaw. The third found that there was substantial evidence that folly was guilty of murdering Taylor. Beal he sends folly to forty years with ten years suspended. Folly would serve thirty years. Taylor Beales case is famous because it is one of the first to be solved using the victims social media. Police were able to narrow down the suspect list very quickly because of her postings online Taylor funeral was held the day after her eighteenth birthday. Benjamin Fawley is scheduled to be released on November fourteenth. Two Thousand and thirty one. Let's just too soon. Janet Taylor's mother has published a book called Love. You more Taylor beale story and has become an outspoken advocate for victims. Taylor's friend Aaron Kraybill received a twenty thousand dollar reward for her assistance in locating Taylor with some of the reward money. She established a fund for Women in crisis. In honor of Taylor Bill. All right. Thanks for joining us here in the garage. Nick do we have any recommended reading. Yes we do my fine captain. This week we are recommending without a prayer by Susan. Ashland this is without a prayer the death of Lucas Leonard and how one church became a cult. You'll want to pick up this book because this is a very tragic and weird case and if you pick up without a prayer you're gonNA find out the how but also the why and you don't have to write that title down right now you can just go to true crime garage dot Com and. 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They're beautiful smarr beloved dot when off to college and never came home. How did this co ED disappear just two weeks into her first semester? This is true crime garage. And this is the case of Taylor. Beal Taylor beale was a seventeen year old girl. Who lived with her mom? Janet Pella Sahra in Vienna Virginia. Vienna is an upper middle class suburb of Washington. Dc with the small town feel despite its population of fifteen thousand people. Vienna was ranked third in money. Magazine's list of top one hundred places to live in two thousand and thirteen. Taylor was very close with her mother. And the two lived in various places around the world including London and Belgium with Janet's husband at the time Janet's husband was an officer in the Royal Air Force. Eventually settling back in Virginia. When Taylor was eleven Taylor was used to traveling of course and even flew alone internationally at the age of five this under the care of the airline. This is a a really unique kind of experience for a young child. I remember when I was ten. I flew by myself without parents without family is something I will always remember because it seemed like a really big deal to me at the time when I was just ten but one that smelly guy you sit next to. Of course I wasn't Flying internationally that would've been weird. My flight was like one hour long but it was really neat captain because they did like a special check in for me you know when they were boarding the plane. I got to get on the plane early and the flight attendant. Introduce me to the pilot or some guy pretending to be the pilot and it was cleaning the plane and then they sat me right in the front row so they could keep an eye on me. I guess but Taylor was close to her mother. That's like an understatement. But she was also close with her father matt even though her parents divorced before she even turned two years old. Haley graduated from James Madison High School in Vienna the Fifteenth School. She had attended in her life. That shows you how much she moved around at. Just a young age and one of the colleges she was interested in was Virginia Commonwealth University known as vcu which is a Great College Basketball Program The vcu Rams shoutout to the Rowdy. Rams vcu is located on the west side of Richmond. Virginia and the school focuses on biotech and life. Sciences Taylor visited. Vcu twice in the spring of her senior year in high school one visit was in February of two thousand and five with her father matt when the two of them made their two hour drive to check out the campus. Matt dropped Taylor off at the apartment of a friend of hers from the Anna so she could experience a little campus life. Vcu This was the apartment of classmen. Mike Sinoe and his roommate. Ben Fawley tailor made a second visit to the same place in April of that same year. Now she must've liked vcu because she enrolled in the large school of thirty one thousand students and started her freshman year on nineteenth. Two thousand five. Her departure for college was hard on. Taylor's Mom Janet even though she was only two hours away. This was very difficult for for Janet. As I said they were very tight even would give the appearance of almost best friends at times one. She was the only daughter so they had a pretty strong bond. Because of that only child and Janet says that Taylor was not the only you know. She's not one of these teens. Who wants nothing to do with her parents and fact she would still hold hands with her mom when they went places together the two of them even volunteered as elves every Christmas for a local charity and spent a lot of time together while Janet was nervous about her daughter heading off to college in the large city of Richmond. Virginia of course. She knew that it was the best thing for Taylor. Vcu Is a good school and Taylor was very excited for the next chapter in her young life Taylor has been described in articles about her as quite mature for her age. She was working at starbucks and choosing to hang out at Jamming Java Coffeehouse Sipping Cappuccino and listening to local indie bands. That sounds like something. The captain would have been caught doing in his when he was just sixteen years old. I don't know about indie bands. But didn't you go to the coffee shop? Yeah I think. A lot of kids went to coffee ideas. I did his well. I didn't go there to listen to the the latest now. I don't remember any chance at at the coffee shop we had. I went there in just kinda sat around. Yeah picked our nose right drink in Sipping Cappuccino friend of mine used to just say hey. That's just three dollar coffee so she never missed a curfew. This was a good kid. She didn't do drugs or drink. She was savvy and smart so Janet took comfort that her daughter would make good choices even not under her roof. Taylor was very. She was in a very avid user of social media. Keep in mind. This is two thousand and five so social media looked quite different than it does today. Yeah facebook wasn't probably even envy you yet. Well the platforms. That she was using to post her daily musings and blog and about her life were a little dated to say the least. She used my space. Her photo is still visible on there. If you can even get there. I don't know how one would get their She used an Internet meeting. Site called my place dot com and used a site called live journal as well. My space was like pre facebook. It was the facebook before the facebook became the facebook but is also it was wildly popular to your different than facebook because you could actually create a page. Change the colors. It was weird because I was a big myspace user and when facebook came around it became will. Why are we going to this? Other thing that gives us less options like there was more fun things to do. And you could customize You're you're my space a lot more. Yeah I remember that being a weird time too because it was like there was nothing wrong with my space but somehow we transition to facebook. We're going to bring them back. Will burn back by. We're starting with the garage on my place dot Com. We're talking about her. Social media she wrote under the name bidder her online post and photo show that she was a little naive. I don't know much about this site. So do you know what the site is about my my well? It looks like it. Looks like she's almost journaling on some of these things and I took quite a bit of time in read through them and it was a little sad and tragic just even reading through them because they still exist to this day. And you know you really get the vibe of who she is and what she was into but also reminding yourself that she's seventeen at this time. Well that's like the coffee shop thing. That's a very young typical young quote unquote like college thing to do. Let's go get some. Cappuccino listened to some singer Songwriter. Music like and so. Yeah being seventeen and going to school early. You're probably going to do a bunch of things that are very cliche. Well and we can get into her social media little bit to give you a little flavor of what was going on. In fact here is a post. She wrote an early summer of two thousand and five assist quote. I just graduated from High School and now I'm off to Richmond. I'm looking forward to meeting people that are in Richmond because I only know a few people down there but I love to meet New People in general so feel free to message me whenever to chat. That's kind of like an open invitation to That's something that we probably would steer away from but She's outgoing and Taylor had a relationship of sorts. That was going on. At the time. In fact she detailed that on her online journal talking about her budding relationship with a fellow. Vcu student this is a boy named Jacob Cunningham. She the love that he was into the same things right. He didn't drink. He didn't do drugs but the two it seems like they were off to somewhat of a of Ro Rob's start Taylor's roommate. Emma says that between Taylor Jakup weren't going the way Taylor wanted and another friend of that jakup had dumped her online and Taylor was upset about. That's very mature of him. Going to break up with you online But this kind of weird. Because she's UH school that long so she did she start dating this individual before she left her school. It looks to me like as soon as she. You know mind you February and April. She's already making trips out the Vcu to see if she's going to like Vcu and and to see if she actually wants to attend right Vcu. It seems to me like as soon as she has decided on that college that she's openly on social media sending out invites to chat with people and get to know people in the area so once she arrived she's GonNa hit the ground running and already have a little bit of a solid base of friends going on. Yeah and my my college and I know not every college but the college I went to did a a bunch of this like freshman week of to know people and get into getting familiar with the college but that's now is a small college. This is a lot bigger than they might not have programs like that That would be very difficult yet. It's only two hours away but you're also a little bit younger than everybody and so get in that community around here would be definitely important. What's interesting to me is is. It seems like we talked about her moving around a lot as a younger child. She's already kind of adapted to this. You know she's already figured out how to set up shop in a new town and new city new state sometimes new country then like you said fifteen times fifteen different schools. This would be should be an expert at this and as you said captain. She's only at school for a very brief time before things start to go weird right so on Labor Day weekend. Two thousand five. When Taylor had been at school for just two weeks she met up with some guys on Saturday night to go skateboarding. According to one of these guys his name is Kevin. The group boarded for an hour around two forty five. Am So early morning. That's what I call the small hours. Kevin had only met Taylor three or four times but described her as a normal girl who was very trusting. Kevin said that Taylor was heading home to Vienna the next day to spend some time with her mom. This was correct after spending Sunday and most of Monday at home. Taylor returned to campus on Monday afternoon. She called her father at six forty five to say she was back safely on campus and she had dinner with the guy that she was sort of dating his name again. Jacob but this was a normal dinner they. They met To discuss their relationship. Apparently yes they. They made up and had a nice dinner at the village. Cafe Liebau he was like make. It wasn't makeup and we're GONNA be boyfriend girlfriend. I think it was. This is going to end. Am I correct on that? Well there are some differing zipper relations. But I believe that's his comments. Today is that they they left on friendly terms. Yes yes you're right. Kevin Her skateboarding. Buddy later said that he saw her alone around eight forty five pm that night and said that Taylor was excited for her upcoming birthday which would be October thirteenth. That should finally be able to vote. yeah should be eighteen years old and she told Kevin that she was planning on doing something quote unquote illegal. What that was Kevin does not know what that was. I do not know My guess if I if I had to guess would be. It would be a weird way to describe it to me but being on a college campus turning eighteen years old kind of feels like drinking might be the thing she might have been referencing there or maybe it was to get a fake. Id She's going to get a new. Id At eighteen years old get a fake id. So she could go into you know. Oh yeah overage clubs. That would technically illegal. I think you might be more right than me. So at nine forty five pm Taylor spoke on her cell phone to a male to a guy this is according to crime library. I couldn't figure out who this guy was his name that she spoke with but crime. Library says this guy was later questioned and there were no additional calls to or from her phone at this time. Note that time again was nine forty five pm as the news reports from two thousand and five. When Taylor got back to her dorm room that Monday night at ten twenty pm. She found that her roommate was entertaining. A young man Taylor had to vacate the relatives sock on the door. That's what my mind went to the old tie on the door. I didn't live on campus but the amount of times I like just opened up friends doors and stuff was going on Kevin Gone. Wh why wouldn't you just locked the door? I keep run into these negative people She grabbed her keys her car keys. Her phone and some cash took off telling Ama- that she was going to go skateboarding and that she would be back in about three hours. You know that's the polite thing to do to the roommate. You tell them exactly how long you can stay gone for right. And that's the I don't want to speculate too much on that. But that's the way I took. It was like hey I see you're with somebody. I'm GONNA go skateboard. Do some stuff. I'll be gone for few hours right but you know but we also have class in the morning. You're giving them a time limit. I have to return at some time to go to sleep to get up the next day I got things to do. I'm being courteous here. You got three hours the place your right and but that still puts you in round one. Two o'clock in the morning correct. You got class the next day. Yeah so the glad. Ing Residents Center Security Cameras. Show footage of Taylor walking out of her lobby at ten twenty four PM. These security cameras do not show Taylor returning in fact. She was not seen again after this time. That was ten twenty four PM. Taylor's roommate Ammo went about her day on Tuesday September. Sixth but then that evening she noticed that Taylor had still not come back and none of her things had been touched by this point and on Wednesday morning. She informed the vcu campus police that her roommate had never returned to their dorm and had been gone close to thirty six hours. The vcu campus police started looking for Taylor and guess that she had left. The dorm gone somewhere in her car as vehicle is missing as well. Campus police called Janet her mother at home to tell her that both her daughter and her daughter's vehicle are missing. There was no response on Taylor cell to Janet's calls and Janet and Matt Taylor's father immediately came down to vcu and join the campus police the campus security officers in their search for their daughter. The campus police officers spoke to Taylor's friends and acquaintances and tried to track her movements on that night that she disappeared. They knew that often young people. Just go off on these benders or leave town without really telling anybody but nobody thought that that was likely not. You're right. It's a Monday. It's a holiday so very typical to a Sunday. And it's like it's not who who would do that. That makes more sense if she went missing on a Thursday or Friday Yeah and if she did go somewhere she she left without telling anyone but really. I know that it's thirty. Six hours and there are some people on the very inner circle that are probably panicking at this point but the mass is the majority of the people. Really think that it's likely that Taylor will. Surface at some point was a really big campus. You she could a hung out with some people spent the night you know but I guess my concern is that we know that she told her roommate's. Hey I'm I'm GONNA go skateboarding. So where does that put her to put her on. Campus off campus. What kind of bad area? Yeah that's true that's true. The students started posting missing flyers featuring Taylor's photo and her personal information around and up on You know around. Campus this to me very reminiscent of the Brian Schaefer case. When when I think about all the activity that I envision going on at this time a lot smaller school but in fact Brian would go missing from. Osu campus what six months later yeah seven months. Later Taylor's mother. Janet resorted to talking to the media hoping that publicity would generate leads into Taylor's whereabouts. She knew that Taylor would not have just left school or skipped classes sense. It was only the second week and she. Was you know she had been so excited to start college? Janet Strategy worked the media strategy. Worked and Taylor's disappearance received national news coverage from Nancy Grace and from others on September eleventh. Vcu announced that it was consulting with the FBI. On Taylor's case then ten days into the investigation on September fifteenth. The Richmond Police Department took over the case issuing an amber alert for Taylor and her vehicle again. No Taylor was only seventeen so still yet a minor so she did qualify for an amber alert. The Richmond Police Department put. Together an eleven member task force of Local University and federal investigators to try to locate Taylor and what was now considered a criminal case. Two of the investigators on the task force were one was the Richmond police departments captain and the other was the state attorney. General offices investigator so we have some pretty high level individuals on this task force. Police said that they had no evidence of foul play. But Taylor a minor and now missing for days. All without being in contact with anyone was of great concern. Investigators confirm that Taylor had not used her credit card or cell phone since she went missing. And this is never good always really. I mean we know this captain. Bad bad sign the task force set out to use a relatively new tool available to them in assembling the victimology and get a list of persons of interest. And this was social media Taylor's prolific online writings and post gave investigators a glimpse into her life and place to start compiling a list of her contacts friends and acquaintances. Or you can control your top eight. I think at some point you can even make it easier than toppy could have a top sixteen So you would control. Who was in that group? So there's your closest Powell's right there on the Internet. This is also helpful. Because they're able to determine what she had been doing and where she had been going in the days leading up to her disappearance and then they're able to reach out to people that Taylor's family was not aware of that she was hanging out with one of the first people. The Task Force question was this Jacob Cunningham. The the sort of boyfriend right They they just met when school started. Jake told police that things were good when they had dinner. As you said captain with Taylor and they left the Russ Restaurant Holding Hands. He also told investigators that they parted ways that Monday evening and when they did so Taylor told him that she was going to go skateboarding. Another reference to the skateboarding thing. She was into boarding as we know. And this would have been a normal activity. It seems for her even at night. Remember we know that? She went skateboarding after midnight just days earlier however police were not able to track down anyone who had been skateboarding with her on the night that she disappeared or even seen her skateboarding that night mowing no that. She took her keys with her when she left her room. But on that video footage I don't see her with escape board correct correct now. One thing that they the investigators were going to start looking at and this. There's not much mention of this in the media but police looked at Taylor's father's girlfriend's son. Okay I'll say that again. 'cause it's a little difficult. Taylor's father's girlfriend son and I don't know this guy's name or really anything about him but what we do know is that Taylor did blog about him and her online live journal saying that he was creepy and he hit on her and it made her feel very uncomfortable. 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All right we are back we are back and I want to give a special shout out and cheers to a great man. Dwight radcliff was sheriff of pickle. Wake County in Ohio from nineteen sixty five all the way up to two thousand and thirteen. He is the longest serving sheriff in the United States. He was reelected twelve times. Unfortunately Dwight passed away last week on. May sixth so thank you to share Dwight radcliff for a lifetime of service to the community. I'll poor little out for the good sheriff. May he rest in peace of big cheese mates to you? Big Cheers on September seventeenth. Two Thousand and five Taylor has now been missing for about twelve days. There was a break in the case. Taylor's white nineteen ninety. Seven Ford Escort Sedan was located. It was parked on a quiet residential street this is North Mulberry Street as about three blocks from campus. That's correct a about a mile and a half from her dorm so not far away at all. What was disturbing was that the car had different license plates on it. The license plates were from Ohio. And these plates had been stolen or reported stolen two months earlier. They were lifted off of a vehicle of oven. Ohio resident who lived in Richmond while attending. Vcu residents said that the vehicle had been parked there for the duration of Taylor's of the time that she had been missing so we have a situation here. Captain she goes missing her cargoes missing at the same time this car. Her Car magically appears in this spot and it's not there for much of the time that she's been missing were we can only assume that. Somebody's switched the tags to throw people off from finding her car. They put the captain's plates on that car This next part is really really smart on the behalf of the police. I think this is an absolutely great tactic. What what they did was. They did a stakeout job on this car. I mean what? What a genius idea if you know that. It's if you suspect that something may have happened to her very early on in the period that she's been missing and you believe had have good reason to believe that this vehicle has been moved since then. Who's not to say that this this this guy's GonNa come back and move the vehicle again. We know people get nervous when they place bodies or evidence or cars places and sometimes they say they have second thoughts and think are better. Move it to a different place or it's going to be found sooner or maybe I didn't move it far away enough from me but then you also you have no evidence that she's dead. Yes Oh is she using her vehicle she the one that changed the license plates? A this we gotta figure out what's going on with her. Yeah if you get some type of activity in or around the vehicle it may be the lead that you so desperately need because by this point captain. We've already discussed this and you have to believe this is what went down. They are using social media. They're talking to her friends. Her roommate or parents everybody that knows her to figure out what her social circles are and then interview everybody that they can possibly think of in those circles and it sounds to me like at this point. They really got a whole lot of nothing going on one fine the car. Let's let's be smart. That what a genius idea. Yeah but like you said before though Oh she. She's going to go skateboarding. That's a normal thing for her and I was bringing up the point on break. Well no normalcy is not like she's been at school for a year and now we have all these times that we know. Hey He Sunday night. Should I go skateboarding? I mean like she's been in school for a couple of weeks. There is no normal. The that's not even long enough to form a bunch of habits well. I think that it's not abnormal. Is what I would point out there. No no no I agree. So after staking out the vehicle for twenty four hours to see if anyone would return to it police called in the dogs the sniffer dogs and impounded the car it was sent off to the FBI for forensic and police bloodhounds tracked a sent from her car to a home on Shepard Street. This house was about five blocks away from Taylor's car. This is pretty interesting. The home belong to the aunt and uncle of a twenty three year. Old Guy named Jesse Scholz Jesse was not a vcu student but he frequented fee. See you hang to try to meet the ladies. He also may have been a skateboarder. Jesse had visited his aunt uncle's home within the past twenty four hours and had left one of his work shirts at this house at their home. The couple was very cooperative and allowed police to look through their house. The house where Jesse lived was down the street and it was search as well during that search. They found a razor blade with cocaine residue on it and this led to Jesse's arrest although we should in all fairness we should point out the razor blade could belong to Jesse but he also had a roommate could belong to the roommate. Police clearly wanted to. They wanted to sweat Jesse a bit. See what he knew see if he was guilty of anything they just put under cocaine on the table had him do a bunch of lines and then questioned him turn the thermostat up to one hundred four so they in about that. See they interrogated. Jessie attestation. For several hours about Taylor about her being missing. He did agree to take a polygraph test. Which indicated some deception according to the detective in charge? Yeah he failed on two questions One what's your name. Is this your cocaine? This your He failed on two questions. And what is cited in the media? Reports is one of those questions was whether he knew Taylor at all and to whether he had been in her car he answered no to both of those. And this shows deception. The police are not believing it. That's that's that's difficult because for someone to say. I don't even know this person and show deception and then to say I've never been in this vehicle show deception now. You have reason to believe not. Why does he not want us to know that that he knows her right? Why what else is covering up. If he's saying that he was not in her vehicle but we have the scent dog leading you from the car right to his aunt and uncle's house. The trouble is both of tactics are not perfect like everything else right. They're not one hundred percent while I really question because this is kind of gross you gotTa Watch out for certain campuses but specially at that time late nineties early two thousands especially college guys. They GET DRUNK. They we everywhere. It's a we. We Fast Peon side of the houses all discreet between these two cars and P real quick. Is it possible that he was taking a leak and then he took a leak by your car in the walk throughs in an uncle's house? It's also possible that the dogs were wrong and the test is not scored properly right. The other thing too is if this young man is just nervous about being questioned. Anyway you know that test is reacting to him not is not actually detecting if he's lying or not detecting if there's any change in his in him physically wall right again and if I ask you a question. Hey what were you doing? The other night has at this bar there. There's no tension there. I can ask all these questions but I know that there's a missing girl. I know this was her car right. I know that they have a set from her car to my house once you bring her up even if I don't know her. The nervousness of that could fail those tests. I mean I don't like these tests like one hundred percent. I like when people are willing to take because I I do think it gives us somewhat of Brahma Dr and also when they let you know which I don't like it when they say oh well. He seemed to be deceptive so he failed the test. I I like when they come back and they go wild look. He passed everything but these two questions. There's some deception there. Okay well give me that. And that gives me more to go on yet. Despite the test failure despite the unexplained dog tracking or maybe they believe the drug dog tracking. I don't know but what we do know is this Jesse continued to deny that he had any involvement so much so to the point where he continued to tell officers and detectives. I don't even know this person. I you know I I get that. She's missing and get that you're looking for and I wish I could help but I don't know who she is. I never met her. I don't know what that vehicle is and eventually police. They do clear him of any involvement at all because they looked at this dude pretty tough and pretty hard and they were unable to link him in any way to her right and that's also becomes another prom. Do you know this person member Brian chafer melodic. People didn't know who Brian Schaefer was. But if I would showed you a picture of him people would have been like. I know that guy from somewhere yet because of the hundred and some thousand fliers we put everywhere right. I mean so how many flyers were out there with her face on it. How much news coverage was there could be Senator Ron? I know if I think his answer I think it was a forty eight hours or so there was really good when he said look if if I knew her. I wasn't aware that I knew her right. And Wind. Looking at this Jesse Schultz Sky. What this leads investigators to is they start. They take a look at a skateboarder friend of Jesse's his name is Ian and they also impounded a Nissan Altima which may have been e-ends looking for evidence. They apparently had reason to believe that. Maybe Taylor had been in the Altima at some point is my guest here and reportedly refused to take a polygraph test. He's not as cooperative as what Jesse was was this fail to that. That's what you have to wonder about like if you know that your buddy didn't know this girl and the police are telling him. Hey you failed your your polly. You're not going to be so excited to sit down for one yourself and we've talked about that many times. What could would come from you taking one because if you pass it people go whether the test is bullshit but if you fail it most people don't follow up with the test is bullshit well and if you WANNA be like Uber Cooperative and if you really want to help the best way to do it and it's not cheap so a lot of people don't do this the best way to do it is to to you. Do a bunch of cocaine. Get an attorney and then have your attorney. Set up a polygraph test and those results can then be sent to investigators from from that. I liked that process but again after you take it a few times learn how to beat the system. You have to pay for the test you have to pay for the attorney all things that can be expensive if you want good once rain. They did look like we said police. Were looking at both of these guys. Ian in Jesse I think then being skateboarders and then a possible connection to Jesse even though they couldn't find one this goes back to the thought of maybe she was planning to go skateboarding with them or maybe she actually did know them right but it seems like they couldn't make that day being the investigator. Investigators could not make that connection while the told us what happened as far as her. Dad's DAD's girlfriend's son Chiang lashed in and looked at acton low creepy KAZAA. That'd be very awkward. Oh my dad is now dating this girl and you meet her kid for the first time. And you're you're attractive female. So he's like well she's not she's not bad to look at there'd be a very awkward situation and who knows like. I said I know very little about it. Because it wasn't reported on who knows the age of the sky or right to Yeah because he was thirty five. Yeah I mean. I don't really know anything about him. I do know he was looked at and I have to believe that there was no connection. Couldn't take that portion of the investigation anywhere or would have been reported on in the media. What what's clear though is mean specially like her friends from high school and then her family members. These are almost a little bit easier to investigate on some level because you can start eliminating people quickly because the distance. Yeah so even if all the mom and daughter is closed but while maybe they had a fight okay well the moms two hours away so take to establish alibis a lot easier and the other thing too. I would think with the with her colleagues at school at Vcu. It'd be easy to to clear people as well because this we're talking about people that are at an age where they're very active and they're out about and they're hanging out with other people. It's real easy to establish as you said an alibi for who was doing what. And when Rabin here's here's the tough thing though and in any bit would know this. I mean you know this by even going to high school when you get to a new school. Everybody's new. Ya Not forming your click. He so she was still in the process. If you told me. She went missing at the end of her freshman year again schedule habits routine the the people that she would be in daily contact weekly contact monthly contact would be all those habits would be formed. But because it's so in the school year a lot of those things are does not formed yet. But you do have roommates like it's a situation where people aren't living alone. You know we cover so many of these cases in it's like this guy says well he couldn't have done it because he was twenty miles away. Well what was his alibi he. He didn't feel well. He had a headache. He lives alone. He sat at home watching some brave. I went to bed early that night. So the students have. Vcu At the campus. They held a vigil for Taylor. This was on the night of September nineteenth but Bihan one second with that point though as yes when you have a college. Campus of thirty some thousand you have on that campus. Maybe a half a million people that live on that campus. Most of them not going to that school if you go to the highest state campus. Yeah there's one hundred and some thousand kids that tend to highway campus. But there's roughly a million in that area that don't go to school the While this this whole thing's going on here captain so we're now at September nineteenth and the investigators still don't have any real strong leads and mind you there. They're really diving into every aspect of Taylor's life that they can find this being through friends this being through her activities on social media they noted that there was another guy who was involved in. Taylor's life this was not Jacob. This was not Jesse it was Ben Fawley. You might recall that. This was the roommate of Taylor's friend. Mike no whom she stayed with on her two trips to vcu in the spring of two thousand five while she was a senior in high school. So let's discuss this Benjamin Folly shall we? It'd be one of her oldest friends at vcu. Yup Ben Folly was known around town because he was a corky flamboyant character a self proclaimed Goth Skater. He always had died. Surfer style hair changed colors regularly. He drove what many would describe as creeper van that was completely covered with bumper stickers and old license plates. Yeah this is very strange. They actually did a couple of news stories on his van because he would take it was a big creeper van by thing is painted black and then it was just covered from top to bottom with stickers and bumper stickers in every kind of sticker in no paint visible on this thing. Yeah I mean when you saw going down the road it looked almost like something for Mad Max or something. So it's a novelty and that was kind of neat that it was featured on a couple local stories their news stories. I guess maybe it's not technically a creeper Vami. You don't describe it as that because it might have the size and shape of the traditional creeper van but when you're when you're covered and bumper stickers and license plates you really blend in very well do you. Write folly was once a student at vcu. He attended for seven years. Do you think he was studying to be a doctor. Probably or something. He looks like Doctor. He never graduated. But when Taylor met him at friend's apartment where he was living he was no longer a student and fact he was like thirty eight years old. Yeah he does but if you watch these interviews. He didn't look that old at all. I would say like early. Twenties dyed his hair lot changed that up a lot but even the interview. They're like. So why do you do this to your van? He's like yeah. I just like stickers band is like one of those guys right well. He two children as well. The children didn't live with him. In fact they lived rather far away with their mother. Well that's because he just likes having sex man but in regards to his age and being a father of two. I don't know that Taylor knew any of this. Because we we don't know what their conversations were but we're talking about a relationship of friendship for a few months you know at some point you the truth will come out but this girl is coming Two hours away to come visit the college campus. You can be whoever you want or whoever you think she wants you to be. Because you're you're spending not as much time with her. If that makes sense yet as the captain said you can see Ben. Fawley in these interviews. He actually gave an interview to forty eight hours in a two thousand in nineteen piece by Aaron Moriarty on the case. He said that when he first saw Taylor standing in the doorway of the apartment that he shared with Mike you know when she came to visit that he thought she was extremely beautiful. He said that they spent the entire weekend talking when they first met and they shared so much in common including many opinions and feelings about different things Matt. Beal Taylor's father said that when he dropped Taylor off there in April. He did meet. He actually met this Ben Fawley right and he said that Ben seemed to be to. Him seemed to be a very nice personable. Young Man Matt said that he assumed folly was a student and was in his mid twenties. At the oldest. And just like you pointed out captain. He looked that part We know now that neither of these assumptions were correct. Why there's a big difference? I mean if you look him up on Google images for example once they once. His hair is chopped and an of a natural color. Then go all came. Yeah mid thirties pushing pushing forty but with the pink hair or sometimes it's green hair. They're footage where he had purple hair. You know it just makes them look especially his attitude like I said he has that. I'm just loved I and my hair Bro. Right right folly in Taylor stayed in touch apparently after Taylor's first visit to to vcu. On her second visit she slept with him. She told her friends that she was curious about him and wanted to see what it would be like. Yeah now this is in spite of this is a look this individual. There's plenty of women that you come in contact with. That are attractive. You could tell that she is seventeen eighteen years old and look maybe I WANNA get into age gaps in relationships too much. But it's like he he. Should you know I just find this wrong on many levels? Yes yes one hundred percent. She's look she's a very attractive. Young lady very photogenic. But you're absolutely right there. I didn't see one picture of her where I thought for a second that she was twenty twenty one she looked very seventeen to me Her friends though even regardless of this whatever was going on between Taylor and this Ben. Fawley her friends at the time. Say She's not very Taylor's not very sexually experienced. And we do have some evidence of Taylor and follies hook-up from the digital banter between the two folly commented online on live journal posting under his online name skulls. That this very attractive girl all those. Go ahead you're pushing forty and your online name is skulls. You know like come up with something better the but the thing with this dude man. It feels like to me. The only thing that's really pushing forty and his life is his actual age bright. You know what I mean. This guy. His Br one day his brain turned eighteen and it stayed there right so skulls are friends. Skulls here posted. This very attractive girl climbed up into my bunk at four seven. And then Taylor. Whose online name was I. Don't even know if you can say this Tia. Balaj is what I how I would try to pronounce this But really it's it's supposed to be jail bait spelled backwards. She replied well. I was curious to which skulls then replies so was I in fact I still lamb folly told forty eight hours. That Taylor appreciated that. He didn't treat her like a child and that he respected her opinions. That's like had sex with her but it was like almost a con job. Yeah that's the way I view. Do you think that he? Here's like the vibe that I kind of get and I'm really totally guessing here captain but I get the vibe like. She was aware that this guy was older that she that she wasn't dumb to that No-no did she. Wasn't that naive that she didn't understand that this guy's older. You're just wander have much older. Did He tell her he was? You Know Twenty nine twenty nine a lot different than than mid to late thirties right again. And and if you have children that you're not telling the person about you again you have that ability you're on islands especially with those college campuses. You're on an island. You can pretend to be whoever you want to be well folly. He goes on to tell forty eight hours about his game how he planned to flatter Taylor telling her that he's an amateur photographer And that he wanted to take pictures with her. And this did happen you know. He took some photographs of Taylor. Now we can only assume that Taylor fell for folly fell for his carefully constructed online. Persona of this. You know cool dude. Who was into goth stuff like skulls photography and had had been? He says he even he even says the he had been a nude model at one time. Yeah specialized in small penis folly loved to post about himself in his interest online obviously detailing his mandic conquest go ahead on. Second 'cause here here's here's what I think happened. I think she's GonNa go to this school. She knows she's going to go there. She meets this meets up with somebody that from her hometown. That vcu his room is there. Okay cool you're my friend by association now. This guy is smitten by the seventeen year. Old Right make plans to hang out. He's taken pictures of her. Which a lot of times with these cases you can start Google. Lean and it. I think it's better to prep your head around the whole situation. The more pictures you can have or the more video she can have yup by pictures Goo in Google. Images are stuff that this guy took. That's what you'll find a of her and I think the as far as the sexual experience I think it was probably simply a seventeen year old. That probably drank a little bit and it was something that happened because she later is telling her friends. Well yes we were physical but I. I don't want that to happen again right. I'm not like that's it was a it was an accident right right. Well this folly guy he. If you weren't already dialing into this already he has a bit of dark side you know. He maintained websites with titles like dark evil. Goth and skulls dot deviant art dot Com featuring touring articles described as Goth. Nude porn these included images of death and decay as well as photos of very young women. We should probably say girls really bring in all sorts of compromising nude or scantily clad shots he also blogs about Taylor's visit in April on his live journal under his screen name This portion of my notes says screen skulls sixty seven. Then Taylor came down to Richmond to visit for the weekend. Got Out to Belle isle amongst other things. I got some photos not as many as I would have liked but Taylor looked cold from earlier. Post about other women. It seemed that taking photos on Belle isle was a sort of a like a four play for folly and Taylor for her part seemed to have a somewhat moodier darker persona than she led on too many in her life she had recently picked up smoking. Some of her online journals reflect a girl who didn't feel she had real friends and who wanted something more out of her young life and her friends from the starbucks where she worked in Vienna before college said that she was always interested in older men and was known for flirting with them rather than guys her own age. It's possible that does Ben Fawley older. Maybe exotic seeming was just what possibly a restless young Taylor was kind of looking for again. That's where I go back to the idea of. I don't I don't believe for a second that she did not know or did not understand that he was older. It's just what kind of how different did she know he was in her? We also have a female. There should be. There has been too many schools fifteen. She understands idea that when you're going into a new situation like that especially when you're on an island it's not like you go into the school and ten percent of those people know who you are gone into school where nobody knows who are so for her yellen is she now a smoker. Because she went to college and for two weeks she spins smoking. I would look at all that stuff as this is a time for heard her to try things to experiment with things and discover who she really is and who she wants to be so. I. I don't know if I would nestle necessarily say that. She was darker. Sometimes people just need avenue to van about things and I think you're spot on their captain. I think we have this big change in her life. This is a major change in her life. She's moving off and going off to college. So there's probably a lot of things going on with Taylor. What my suspicions are is that she is a good judge of character and she's good at setting herself up and fitting in a new place. 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