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MISSING The Beaumont Children
"High Crimes Junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers and I'm grit and since yesterday was Australia Day for our wonderful listeners. Down Unda I do that. We I think we did not in the club once where we tried to Australian accent. It's really bad you guys but anyway we wanted to celebrate by telling you about one of the most infamous and enduring mysteries in Australian history but before we tell our story though. We WanNa send our thoughts to everyone in Australia during this horrific rick brush fire season. The Australian Red Cross is on the front lines of disaster relief and we encourage everyone to donate and support their efforts. We are doing. You can find a link on our website or you can go to Red Cross dot org dot a u now. Today's story is one of those cases that never we're really. lets go of a country's national imagination kind of like Jon Benet Ramsey for us here in the US more Madeleine McCann for those in the UK in Nineteen nineteen sixty six. Three young children left their home to go swimming at the beach on Australia. Day and were never seen again. Their disappearance changed changed Australian life forever and thrust caution into the forefront of parents minds all over the country. This is the story of the Beaumont. Children Uh January twenty six nineteen sixty six is a scorching hot day in Adelaide. Despite the weather the city is brimming with excitement statement. Because not only. Is it Australia Day with this long weekend. Coming up. But there's also an upcoming ashes cricket test match so the city is teeming with sports fan from all across the country entry. The South Australian state capital Adelaide is this coastal city on the Saint Vincent Gulf and since the temperature is due to get up to forty degrees Celsius was a hundred and four degrees Fahrenheit. The local beaches are packed. On this day everybody has the same idea to beat the heat heading to the ocean. Maybe stopping at one of the local restaurants. Aunts pick-up some lunch doing just like the usual stuff to enjoy the day. Just hiding inside until Sun goes down all in all. It is a good peaceful Wednesday in the city but then some time between five and six PM that evening everything changes a middle aged married. Couple comes into the station. Russian grant usually known as Jim and Nancy. Beaumont are worried sick because there are three. Young children left home to Glen Beach that morning. A little bit before ten nine o'clock and they never came back now. They were expected to be home. I around like noon but they never showed and at first their mom. Nancy just kind of assumed that maybe they lost track of time. Maybe they missed the first bus and then they're going to be on the second so she waits for the next bus to come but they're not on the two o'clock bus either so so. The parents try searching on their own at first but after hours with no sign of the kids. Jim and Nancy knew that they had to go straight to police. According according to Alan Whittaker and Stewart moans book called searching for the Beaumont children and their follow up the satin man the police spring into action. Right away when they get a description from their parents they learn that Jane is the oldest at nine years old and she's super responsible an excellent caretaker for her younger siblings. There's seven year old aren't and four year old grant and learned that she left the house in a pink bathing suit with a little white purse to keep her money in now. Jane is also the swimmer of the three. So Jim and Nancy. We're confident that she would keep an eye on. Arna grant make sure that they didn't go too far out into the surf at the very start of this investigation. Police don't want to believe the worst. The initial she'll thought is that maybe the kids lost track of time. kind of like what their mom thought and when they realized how late that they were maybe that made them freak out more and things kind of like escalated delete right like maybe they're hiding out somewhere because maybe their parents are angry with them because they didn't come home on time right. That's what they're thinking with that mind. Police actually start their search at the Beaumont wants home in hope that the little ones kinda snuck back into hide somewhere and wait for mom and dad and wait for them to not be so upset now to be clear at first investigators. Art Right suspicious of Jim or Nancy. They just WANNA cover all their bases to see if this can be resolved quickly but unfortunately can't since a long and thorough search of the house doesn't doesn't turn up any sign of the children and by now it's getting dark outside and Jim in Nancy keep reiterating to police that their kids would not willingly outside after after dark so investigators start mobilizing more local resources to widen the search in order to do that. The Italy police and five boats from the sea and rescue skew squadron out to the Saint Vincent goal to shine their bright lights across the dark waters in hopes of spotting something but over and over again. They're light just flashes on still dark water. They come up with nothing with more people getting involved in all this activity the local media now starts is noticing. What's going on and they're thinking like? Hey something is happening and a bulletin goes out about ten o'clock that evening now mind you. This is like a full twelve hours since the kids got on that bus that morning and they push us bulletin out to the evening TV radio asking anyone if they've seen the missing kits while the news of the missing children is being broadcast odd. Cast police are still hard at work at Glen Elk. The Sydney Morning Herald reported in nineteen sixty six. That police even had aqualung divers go into the glenna Lenovo Boat Marina to search underwater but the water was super murky and there was like almost little to no visibility. But despite the setback expe- continue all through the night on land in see even checking storm drains that flush out into the ocean and they also even have people traversing up and down the rocky he coastline looking for cave ins and landslides anywhere that the kids could possibly be at this point. They're thinking is starting to change. They no longer think the kids are hiding but now they start to wonder if maybe the kids got into some kind of accident. You like kid logic when you know you're doing something you're going you you know honestly and adventure so you go into a cave or someone bury you in San and it seems everything seems like a good idea. Yeah so they're thinking like it Jane Grant or maybe stuck somewhere are and they can't get out like times of the essence plus Arna and grant aren't great swimmers and so they're thinking they could have gotten carried out baby. Jane went. She was a strong consumer trend like rescue them but she failed and the like have all the more reason to find them quickly. I mean not to go too dark too fast but was kidnapping kidnapping an option at this point like our police really just trying to find them in some sort of freak accident on the beach. Yeah so according to the book the Satin me on police start off the investigation with three main scenarios in mind about what could have happened either. A The kids drown be. They ran away or see that they've been kidnapped now. Drowning drowning gets ruled out. Pretty fast because the see had been calmed the day before when the kids disappeared and the beach had plenty of lifeguards who everyone assumed would have noticed. The three children like went in the water. And we're getting swept away. Plus none of the Beaumont's belongings were found left on shore. which is what you would expect to see if they had gone into the Ocean Shen and then never come out so drowning gets ruled out pretty quickly and so does the idea of the three kids just running away like they're happy kids? There's nothing in their past behavior to suggest that they would leave home like that. So police have to quickly set that idea aside as well and since the kids thought to a runaway and they aren't thought to have drowned that leads investigators with the most frightening prospect of all that someone was able to take not one but all three young children from a crowded area in in broad daylight. If someone snatched them like someone had to have seen it you said. It was one of the busiest days on the beach right. Yeah I mean it was YEP SUPERPAC. Even if they didn't realize right away that it was a kidnapping something would have been off. These three kids just randomly go off with a stranger. Someone would have had to have witnessed something. There had to be witnesses. So yes and this is where all of the media. Attention really comes in handy because not only does that media attention lead to the biggest volunteer mobilization nation in Australian history like Eric Arcia reported for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in two thousand eighteen but it also means that information starts flooding flooding into police stations. Now while some of these so-called tips are hoaxes some of them are from credible witnesses and coupled with what police know from. Jim and Nancy. Dancy a picture of the kids last movements really starts to appear including some information about a person who may hold the key due to the entire investigation. Numerous witnesses who were on or near Glencoe beach on the day that the kids disappear appear tell investigators about seeing the Beaumont children playing with an unidentified man now. These statements and the South Australians police incident report place the children and their mysterious companion at a place called Kali Reserve Park right near the beach before they disappeared. There are also people who just saw the children alone so in that book searching for the Beaumont Children it said that the bus driver who picked them up remembered them getting on the bus at about ten o'clock. Now there's this guy named Tov who's the local postman and he remembered saying hello to little grant who greeted him back and seemed totally happy and fine and initially. Tom Couldn't remember if he saw them in the morning or the after noon but police end up checking his shift schedule and like his records and determined that he had to have seen them in the morning based on Tom was working and they put that citing and around ten fifteen right when he starts his shift then one of gene's classmates reports seeing the siblings that morning at about eleven fifteen now all of those sightings so far or just of the kits after this though other witnesses come forward who say they saw the children with unidentified men now there are three separate witnesses. Who saw them together? There is a man who is in town to watch the cricket match there was a middle aged woman and then there was this seventy four year old woman and together together. They help police piece together. The activities of the kids later in the day now as far as police can put together it seems that the seventy four year old woman likely Lee was the first to see the kids together with this man. She says that she saw them sometime. Between Eleven and eleven thirty in the morning and then all three of the witnesses give police a description of what this stranger looks like. According to this article I found called the disappearance of the Beaumont children murder and misadventure. It's on the crime. Travelers website. All three witnesses describe the man as being in his mid to late thirties tall and tanned with a long thin face and light brown hair. That was neat and parted to one side but interestingly the middle aged woman tells police that she did more than just see them and she she actually spoke to him Melbourne's the Age newspaper reported in early February of sixty six. This man approached her at Glen L.. Beach a little little bit before noon. And he was with three kids and he approached her telling her that their money had been stolen an asking her if she'd seen anyone like rummaging through their Things 'cause she was sitting right near stop so if anything had happened she would have likely seen it now. She didn't see anything. She doesn't remember anything. They didn't talk anymore beyond this but she was able to tell police that based on his accent he was definitely Australian. They have the seventy four year. Old Woman actually sit down with a sketch artists from a local newspaper deeper and described them in resulting in this portrait of a strange man. That police are now desperate to locate. And here I am actually going to send you a picture of the Scotch catch that they came up with okay so it means a pretty normal looking guy. He's got kind of a longish face a big forehead. I guess my question is if if they saw him well enough to describe him for the sketch. Like what else did the witness like. Pick up on like. How was he acting with the kids? What was his demeanor? How are the kids with him stuff like that? So it's interesting. So according to the age newspaper people describe seeing this man quote frolicking with the kids before noon which sounds to me like he was kind of like playing with them. Everyone is having a good time. Not You know. I think it's completely different from what we might imagine of him. Just like shoving them in a car or forcibly taking them and and what we have from this lady to about him coming up and asking about the money it sounds like the kids were interacting with him and probably felt safe like they could trust him right now. What's super interesting? Is that since. They appeared to be enjoying themselves with a stranger. I find it strange. That the last credible sighting of the children actually doesn't include him so there was a staff member at a bakery in Glendale and this bakery was in very easy walking distance from both the beach and colleague reserve and and this person tells police that the three kids came into by themselves. Some lunch around midday and this isn't itself isn't unusual. Since Jane Arna in grant had been to this very shop before four and they were recognized by the staff would is weird is how they bought their food. Because the shopkeeper tells police that the three kids paid with with a one pound note okay. What's so special about that? Well a one pound note was a lot of money back in sixty six especially Ashley for young kids to have but not only that police knew from Nancy that she only gave Jane h shillings and Sixpence to cover their lunches and bus fare. All all of that was in coins so the police are thinking. Maybe the strange man gave them this one pound note exactly plus remember how this man said had their money had just been stolen like police have to consider. What if that was a lie? What if he stole Jane's money and then gave her this money? Okay but why would he steal less money and give them more back so possibly to earn their confidence like this is a widely hardly used tactic for manipulators. Getting victim to rely on you for something or making them feel like you helped them and that maybe they owe you or puts them them at ease right so learning about the sighting of this man and even the last sighting without him but this one pound note is making police. More sure than ever that the children have. I've been kidnapped and likely the three kids went away with this man willingly unknowing of his true intentions so once they have this sketch from that woman. This goes out to all of the newspapers all over Australia while police in Adelaide search for their records of sex offenders in the area to see if maybe any of them match natch witness descriptions. But here's the thing of all of the sex offenders in the area and listen there's always more than you expect. I would encourage people to just take a look. Look at their own neighborhood. I think you'd be surprised but of all the sex offenders listed in the area. They don't come up with any one. That's a good match or makes makes for a good lead now in the meantime while of this is going on the searches are still going on as well. They haven't given up on finding the kids but it's getting harder to hold out Hope because every search is turning up nothing days turn into weeks weeks into months and in September eight months after the Beaumont. All my children went missing a police officer in town and this is about two hundred miles east of Adelaide over. Here's an interesting conversation on his phone line now. This town is a really small one located like right between Adelaide and Melbourne. So what's happening. Is this local officer is basically trying to call the head office of Melbourne. When according to the book searching for the Beaumont Children he hears a woman mentioned bringing the Beaumont kids back from Hobart Bart on the island of Tasmania? Wait if he's trying to make a call out I guess I don't understand how he's overhearing this conversation so from what I understand. He's able to hear here. Because somehow some wires got crossed and I actually had to look up what this means for myself and it kind of goes back to old phone technology so I looked up on an astro telecoms about crossed wires and apparently like a pretty common problem in the old Australian phone systems infrastructure. So basically you got online and you had crossed wire are you could hear part of someone else's conversation so the fact that he heard this is totally legit. But here's the problem. The officer who hears this thinks that it's a hoax and everyone. He talks talks to the police and Adelaide the police Melbourne like they all think it's a hoax too except for one man. Detective Sergeant Stan Swain Wayne. And he's with the South Australian police in Adelaide. He is so convinced that the call is real that he actually calls Jim in Nancy to tell them that he believes that their children are still alive now while he's informing the family of what he believed to be true. Other members of the South Australian police were tracking down the woman who actually really made the call you know ahead of telling the family member and they learned the real truth that the officer who heard the call only heard parts of the conversation and and I guess once they heard the whole thing in context they come to believe that there is no real connection to the kids. They don't even think it was a hoax. Just some crossed wires and honestly painful coincidence that gave the Beaumont's false hope so that incident obviously it was a little bit embarrassing having raised the family's hope but as if that's not embarrassing enough just two months later in November police find themselves up against a Dutch psychic who is just adamant that he knows where the kids are buried now. This man flies all the way to adly from the Netherlands. Ten months after the Beaumont kids disappeared and it gets a whirlwind of media. Attention like this guy is basically. We made a name for himself by claiming to be able to use his powers to solve missing person cases back in Europe and like while he had some luck. And some maybe pretty basic basic guesswork according to the satin man I I guess. In some cases he also got access to some confidential police files that I'm sure helped his quote powers hours along so basically. He's already famous when he rolls in and so the local papers make a huge deal of his coming down. Word gets out to the point that there's a crowd of Adelaide citizens at the airport waiting when he arrives hoping that after almost a year he's GonNa be the one like swoop in solve the case and finally give if the family answers to be super clear. Police didn't pay him to come in his trip was funded by a wealthy Adelaide citizen who actually paid all of his travel expenses so he gets to Australia and claims that the Beaumont's are buried in a warehouse in purring a park so this is a spot that he's seen seen in his visions or whatever and it's where he says. They need to look in order to find the kids. Now keep in mind. There's no actual evidence to back this up. So ultimately police won't go and excavate anything based on his bike visions or gut instincts or whatever alone according to time travel article which we talked about before the psychic claimed claimed that the kids weren't murdered. Actually he says that they died as result of some kind of accident and that this mystery man described by witnesses had nothing to do do with their disappearance and the police. As I'm sure you can imagine are initially pretty skeptical way. And so he can't get them to dig right away. And this is my my favorite part. He basically only stays in Australia for three days before telling the public like I'm done. I'm going back to Europe. Like kind of washed his hands of it like they won't do what what I say. So peace out now despite him leaving like you would kind of think police are like no. We're not going to do this. He leaves everyone drops it but because it got so so much media attention and because the authorities were refusing to excavate where this psychic said the locals and Adelaide actually raise money to finance finance the dig themselves like they were crowdfunding back in like sixty seven. Oh my God and do you know what this kind of reminds me a little bit of it. Kind of reminds me of the most recent developments in the more Murray case like member there was like that House that everyone everyone was like you have to look you have to look and police are like no like. We're pretty sure nothing's they're like we did because there was so much public attention that I think they are finally like okay. We're going to do this but then after we do this. Can we just do our jobs jobs in Cancun calm down right plus. It didn't help that the place that he wanted them to dig up. Was this warehouse and someone like owned it. It's not like they were digging in the middle of the field so there was a lot of stuff that police like had to try and work around okay but like how did the public work around. Like a can't imagine that they could just show up and be like we're going to dig here. Oh you're absolutely right. The owners are not happy about it but after four months of media attention and basically demands demands from the public they kind of finally just bowed to the pressure and agree like okay. You can dig up this one specific area where the psychic said. The kids are Berry But what the warehouse owner say is police have to be there to make sure that everything is in order and so what happens is a few months later. After the psychic goes back to Europe with police presence they actually start a dig on March first of nineteen sixty seven fourteen months after Jane Arna and grant had had gone missing. Now the dig takes nine days but when it concludes no evidence whatsoever is found and the case. This goes back to being cold again now by this time over a year has passed since the children disappeared so police attention has to ship to other cases is there are new cases popping up every single day and this gets farther and farther from their minds and though the public never forgets the case it gets further and further author from the forefront of the public's mind as well that is until Jim and Nancy received a mysterious letter in mid February of one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. This is now two years since the kids went missing a letter written in very childlike. Like style arrives at the Beaumont's home it's postmarked from the Melbourne suburb of Dandenong over four hundred miles east of Adelaide and it claims to be from Jane and this is what it says as published in the Satin Man Book Brett. I'm actually going to have you read this dear mom and Dad. We you're safe. There's no need to worry about us. Oh we really missed you. In the past two years at the beach on that day we were walking to the bus. Stop on a man in a car stopped us and asked if we wanted the ride. I said that we did. And that is how it all started. The man would not let us right before he is leading us right tonight because he saw the story in the Herald's night and felt sorry for you both. He watches a lot for about six weeks and then he did not watch us so much are not I talk about you often but grant does not remember you at all. After more than in two years we have been well fed all the time I as well as Arna and grant hopes that you are both well. The man said to me just now he will willingly let us go. If you come over to Victoria to get us as long as you do not call the police. He's at that. If you do the deal is off you have to pick up in front of the Dandenong Post Office at ten minutes. Nine nine o'clock next Monday. The twenty six February. You Dad have to wear a dark coat and white pants man will no you. The man told me to tell you that the police least must not know at all. He said that if you do tell them you may as well not come so please do not tell them. The DANDENONG post office is in Victoria. In case you did not know. Oh please do not tell the police. The man did not mean to harm us. We still love you both love Jane Arna and grant. This is Jane in. Who is writing now? Jim Does what any sensible parent would do. And he hands the letter immediately over to investigators and he does this because his right away. There are some inconsistencies that stand out to police like I don't know if you noticed but the letter writer actually misspelled Arnez Name. Her name is actually spelled A. R. N. A. and the letter writer only spelt it with one end and apparently the handwriting doesn't match any of jeans. School papers offers because of these pretty important inconsistencies. Police are confident that this is another mean-spirited hoax designed to toy with grieving parents but detective sergeant stands swain the same guy who was so sure that the crossed wires call was clue is totally convinced. The letter is real and so sure of it that he manages to persuade Jim and Nancy to make a secret trip to Dandenong. Okay but the sky is ben kind of embarrassed before for in front of his colleagues by believing something that ended up being nothing. What makes him think? This one is like a Fisher real deal. So here's the thing stand. It tells the Beaumont that he himself compared the handwriting in the letter to the samples in Jane's schoolbooks and he decided but it was a match watch which feels like. Maybe he's going a bit rogue because the department already said that that they weren't imagine that these were fake and according to searching for the Beaumont children stands boss told him like dude. You got to let this go but he just couldn't so going over his superiors heads and getting Jim in Nancy's hopes up once again is bad enough but it just boggles my mind that this guy is willing to do it a second time when it seems just as unlikely to pan out into something real to me. That's it's just borderline cruel but cruel or not a desperate Jim guided by. Stan follows the letters instructions. Exactly he gets the right clothes stands outside the Dandenong post office while stand keeps watch and a phone call actually comes into the post office saying that quote the man. Dan has been delayed but he'll be there soon. Wait is actually legit. Will it kind of seems that right so they wait and weights. Let's wait and day fades into evening and neither children nor this mystery man ever show up now. The next day the same thing happens Jim stays in front of the post office while Stan does surveillance eager for any sign of children or their abductor and this goes on for three days then the media gets their hands on the story. Because get this Stan. Actually Booked Hotel Room under his real name and reporters find out that. He's there with Jim and Nancy. Nancy so the whole thing blows up in the press. The operation is essentially busted. And because of all this attention to this lead in the press it actually results in more letters from the same town arriving at the Beaumont home back in Adelaide someone claiming to be quote the man actually rights to Jim and Nancy himself this time taunting them for involving police and even blaming them for not being able to get their children back. But is this real. I mean the general belief is that this is yet another hoax even the call even the call does the stand guy. Let go of it now. Well so in that book searching for the Beaumont Children it actually kind of talks about this by the time all of this goes down in Dandenong in sixty eight. Stan is a success with the case and he almost views this as just a little setback instead of the disaster that it really is his ability to separate himself from the investigation is just totally gone. And Unfortunately Jim and Nancy who suffer the most because of it right he keeps getting their hopes up right and treating this obvious red herring as a credible lead effectively end stands career in law enforcement. So he's kind of done the Beaumont's return to their hometown. They kind of swear off talking to the media once and for all and once again the case it goes cold now five years go by with no developments. No new leads until August. Twenty fifth of nineteen eighteen. Seventy three when something terrible and all too familiar happens to young. Children go missing in an eerily similar fashion to the Beaumont no months now. It's too young girls. Eleven year old Joanne Ratcliffe and four year old Kirsty Gordon now Bagel missing from a highly publication again. In broad daylight they're at the Adelaide Oval Stadium to watch Australian rules football match with their families. Now Joanne is there with her parents lesson Kathleen and and their family friends frank while Kirsty is there with her grandmother read up now since Rita knows joins parents she leads. Joey Take Kirsty to the bathroom around three fifty. PM AM during the matches third quarter. She expects that the two girls are gonNA come right back except after about fifteen minutes. There's still no sign of them so lesson. Kathleen start hurt searching around the stadium. But they're unable to find any trace of either kirsty or Joanne so they go to the Oval Office and asked for basically an announcement to be made about the missing children children but since plays in progress the announcement isn't made until after the quarter ends which cost investigators in the family a lot of valuable time. Oh Oh my gosh. Forget about the game. There are two missing kit will yet. You'd sink the office staff basically kind of rationalized it by saying look if we made this announcement while the game's going going on no one's really going to hear it. No one's going to pay attention. There's really no point which maybe but can we at least try like five feeling like as a parent. I wouldn't care like let's do it now. Let's do it later. I want you to keep doing it until you find my kid anyway. So police get involved and start their search efforts and right away. Similarities clarity between Joanne and Christie's disappearance and the Beaumont Children's disappearance start to appear like think about both of these abductions happen in very public locations with the Beaumont. You have a crowded beach reserve. And now you have a packed stadium with over twelve thousand people when Kirsty and Joanne vanish also just like in the case of the missing Beaumont. Kids witnesses in this new case. Put the two girls in the company of an unidentified man one of Ovalles' employees. This guy named Ken tells police that he saw a man with the two girls. Two girls who matched the girls description trying to lure some kittens out from underneath a car that was parked in one of the equipment sheds on the grounds near the stadium and Ken didn't think this was weird at the time because I guess a lot of stray cats kind of hung long out in or near the stadium and kids were always wanting to play with them but he describes this man as being about five foot eight inches tall middle aged and said he was wearing the distinctive gray checkered sport jacket with Brown pants and a brown hat. They find another witness as as well this time. He was a teenage boy who corroborates cans account. And they don't get to talk to this guy a week later. The Canberra Times reported back on August. Thirty first of seventy three three that. The teenager witness a man forcibly maneuvering the two girls toward one of the exits and into the public parking lot and the teenager said that the man was actually carrying Kirsty under one arm and dragging struggling Joanne. Away with the other and his description of the men matched ken down to the man's gray coat and brown hats so armed with these two matching descriptions a local Adelaide art teacher actually paints a portrait of the unidentified man and when the depiction is shown to the public it shocks everyone. The portrait of the unidentified man from the Adelaide oval disappearances resembles the sketch of the stranger. who was last seen with Jane Arna and Krant Beaumont and here? I want you to check this out for yourself. Brett this is the same guy. This is exactly the same guy. I mean the long with a hat on. That's the only difference the long face the forehead grand. You can't see his hair because of the hat but everything else is exactly the same to me. The only difference is you the guy. At the Oval Stadium we're called Oval Guy. He's described as round fight. Eight and Beaumont guy is described as over six feet tall but that high discrepancy she has kind of negligible in my mind. Like witnesses can be off and depending on their stature. I think that's something that can easily be misjudged. Definitely we're five to everybody's telling everyone so tall but more than anything. They consider the cases as possibly connected because the MO is so similar like the victims are similar both the crimes are so brazen reason and yet police have to look at the odds of having dangerously skilled cereal abductor in their midst now. Whoever snatched Joanne and Kirsty I d seems to be just as good at hiding them as whoever took Jane Arna in Krant again days into weeks and months with no break in the case case and no clue about what might have happened to them and just like in the Beaumont Case Joanne? KERSEE's case those Colt years go by with no definitive links outside outside of basically conspiracy theories but in nineteen ninety seventeen years after the Adelaide oval disappearances and this is now twenty four years after the Beaumont spent missing facing the Adelaide media learns that the South Australian police are diving in this place called my Pong Reservoir which is thirty four miles south of Adelaide. Now ordinarily this could easily brush off as a training exercise or you know just something. Police won't confirm whatever but they're died just lost so happened to take place after a witness in another murder case testifies that the Beaumont's are buried in that reservoir reservoir we go back what other murder case so it's actually multiple murder cases so one this is going on. There are actually some really the horrific killings in and around Adelaide in the late seventies early eighties and they were known as the family murders. And I'm only going to touch on them briefly briefly here but we're actually going to do like a more in-depth audio extra over in our fan clubs so if you're interested you can go there on a website. If you're in the club you check that out after the episode Baloney Tell Tell You. These murders are pretty gruesome from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty three five. Young men named Allan Neil Mark Peter and Richard go missing and are later found dead now. Four of the five were drugged and sexually tortured an autopsy determined that they all died from blood. Loss stemming from severe anal injuries injuries caused by insertion of a blunt object. Neil Mark and Peter's bodies are found in pieces and mark had been cut from his neighbor to his pubic pubic bone and then re sewn up with parts of his small intestine missing. Do we know how the fifth person died will not really so peter went missing during the same time period as the others but his body was accidentally burned by a farmer who obviously had no idea. There was a corpse on his property and he was doing some controlled burns so it's not known for sure how he died. All that was found was his skeleton. Cut into pieces. Like Neil and mark and the connection is on how he'd been mutilated after he died now despite the connections and they all seem super similar. Only one of these murders has ever officially salt. Several of the victims were drugged with the same to prescription description sedative so police us pharmacy records to kind of like narrow down their suspect lists and it pays off when they find his Adelaide man named Bevan police get a warrant for his house. Where according to the book searching for the Beaumont Children they find both drugs as well as hair and fibers linking him to Richard? Who was the fifth victim now? Bevan is charged and convicted for Richard's death in Nineteen eighty-four and sentenced to life in prison then five years later in one thousand nine hundred nine. He's charged with killing Allen. I and mark this story is bananas. But I'm getting super lost. What's the connection to the Beaumont again? So in Bevan's second trial is where this mysterious mysterious witness. We only know as Mr be due to confidentiality testifies that Bevan was the one that snatched the Beaumont children and he also says that he's the one that took Kirsty Joanne from the Adelaide Oval Stadium as well and it's because of his testimony. He's the one that says that the kids are buried at the reservoir reservoir and so the lease are doing this day. Then these records come out and the public is kind of putting this together and so now all of a sudden Bevan's name is linked to the Beaumont kits and as you can imagine the media goes nuts like this is not one not two but three of the most infamous crimes in South Australia history tied Hyde possibly together and potentially committed by the same person. WHO's already in jail in off the streets like it seems like it could be a wonderful success story like almost too good to be true Israel and realistically it might be especially since in the book searching for the Beaumont Children Mr B's credibility as a witness is seriously shaky and they basically bring that up in court as well like he missed a participating in one of the rapes and he only agreed to testify after being granted full immunity and he insists insist that he deserves the full financial reward for quote unquote with solving the crime? which okay makes no sense to me if you're also participated in rights raping raping some of the victims now? I couldn't find the actually got the award. But I mean since none of his testimony about the Beaumont's or Adelaide Oval was ever proven to be remotely true. I would be shocked if he actually got anything now. The additional murder charges that Bevin went to court for our eventually dropped and during the trial. He's not convicted but thankfully thankfully he is still in jail for killing Richard and in my opinion and this is just my opinion. I don't think he's the one responsible for the Beaumont for the family. Murders absolutely absolutely. But the Beaumont and the Adelaide Oval kidnappings don't match the family pattern to me at all like four of the five missing children that were talking about our girls and the oldest girl that we're talking about is eleven whereas in the family victims those victims are boys that ranged from fourteen to twenty five right the victim profiles. Don't don't match at all. Yeah and I was doing some reading the California Department of Justice website kind of about sexual predators and while some do exhibit more variety in their victims like different ages or genders other keep like a specific preference and that seems to be what does and since the other killings that he did. The family murders are so consistent. I don't really see him deviating gating plus he would have been in his early twenties at the time of the kids went missing in sixty six. which is really too young to match the descriptions of the man seen at the beach but again? It's it's worth mentioning because you do any research on this case. His name is going to come up okay. And if he was responsible like even the way the boys bodies were found. But the kids weren't doesn't it doesn't really add up exactly but there's a lot that doesn't add up to me and Bevan's never been charged with anything related to the Beaumont's or the Adelaide oval disappearances so after through the trial in one thousand nine hundred ninety the Beaumont case goals cold yet again and in Nineteen ninety-two the Dandenong letters are proven. Once and for all to be a fake when fingerprint analysis directs police to a man who had been a teenager back in the late sixties. And listen. He's never been named publicly but according to authorities parties he's actually admitted to writing all the letters as a hoax. Now time keeps passing and while new theories often connect new suspects to the Beaumont's case ace like including some other pretty notorious child killers across Australia. None of them are ever proven like in nineteen ninety eight eight years after that whole like reservoir reservoir day there was this eighty six year old man named Arthur who was arrested for the unsolved nineteen seventy rape and murder of a five year old and seven year old pair of sisters. Now he's charged with other like whole host of offenses for sexually assaulting a young woman and other girls and in his own family and the reason he even got tied to it initially was is that Andrew rule extra reporter for Sun Herald in two thousand one that a witness saw Arthur on TV after his arrest and he placed him at Adelaide Oval with the two girls matching watching Joanne and Christie's description and then they're thinking well whoever took those girls are thought to have taken the bull mines and that's kind of where that connection is made but but eventually police completely clear him any suspicion in the Beaumont and the Adelaide oval cases and he's like totally ruled out by two thousand one now five years later in two two thousand seven. The Herald Sun reported that convicted child murderer. Derek Percy had been questioned by police like back in two thousand five in relation to the Beaumont's and although Oh he's thought to be responsible for at least eight other child's death South Australian police told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in two thousand fourteen that he was definitely not a significant person of interest for the Beaumont's. He was already in prison when Joanne and Kirsty were snatch up so if the theory of the case is being connected was real like he couldn't have done both and he doesn't really match the description from the beach now despite these possibilities and you know the case getting renewed over and over no like real real credible links ever emerged and eventually public fascination dims though it never fully dies and eventually a book is published a fool forty years after Jane Aren't and grant disappeared. And this is when writer Alan Whittaker and his research partner Stuart mullins published the book searching reaching for the Beaumont children which is considered one of the most definitive and comprehensive accounts of this mystery. And it's a book that we've referenced a couple of times throughout this episode. I highly recommend it but when they published this book it's two thousand six. Now Mind you. And despite the forty year lapse in time everyone was about to be shocked to find find out that there was still secrets out there waiting to be uncovered and people who held those secrets. Were finally ready to talk. Because that's that's when Alan and Stuart get a phone call that changes everything that day and the police thought that they knew about this case. The person who called Allen and Stewart is a woman named Angela who believes that her former father in law had something to do with the Beaumont Children's disappearance. She says that her ex husband. A man named Hayden confided that he saw his father with the Beaumont Beaumont on the day that they disappeared. No at first Allen doesn't take Angela too seriously. He's gotten calls like this before. And he's had his fair share of run-ins with Wannabe sleuths from all walks of life. But as the conversation continues Alan realizes that not only as Angela's story fascinating. It's also really believable. So he and Stewart do some investigation basically into Angela and her background basically. They're trying to collect references casino if she can be considered trustworthy. Yeah like to make sure that. She's legit. Yeah and all of her references comeback glowing so stewart reaches out and he arranges arranges a meeting and this one meeting turns into a years long investigation by authors experts. Private investigators retired detectives active and others with dozens of interviews all around Australia in their meticulous hunt for the truth and their findings become another book which they title the Satin Man would we also referenced throughout this episode now. The title of the book refers to a brand new suspect. The Satin man and the Satin Man is Angeles ex father in law now the authors in their book you pseudonyms for their subjects but police and numerous news outlets. Let's like the Australian Broadcasting Corporation the new daily and CNN have all confirmed the satin man's true identity. So who is it. His name was Henry Phipps and he actually died back in two thousand four without ever being on polices radar now. He was never investigated needed in his lifetime for any connection to the Beaumont children but according to those who knew him best the hairy seen in private was a far different man from the one presented to the public. The first and best known sign of Harry's we'll call it a double life is right there. In the book's title his obsession and with Satin Harry was infamous within his family and their inner circle for having a satin fetish like not a healthy fetish or interest but one that was so consuming that literally no one was allowed to even wear sat near him because just the sight and sound of the fabric caused an instant uncontrollable controllable arousal. And according to the Book Harry made his own sat in Pajamas and dresses for sexual gratification. And he kept them in a private room room in the House that the rest of the family was forbidden from entering A. I'm sorry wait. What Satin Man? We have heard some dark stories about people who have dark twisted fantasies and turn on's but honestly I did not see this one coming weird right. What's Satin Satin? And like he can't see it he can't hear it. Russell be around did. You can't go to weddings obviously like yeah. I'm so floored by this entire thing but as weird as it is because it is totally. It doesn't make you a child abductor. Well no that's true like the obsession with Satin doesn't accept according to Harry. He Son Hayden. There's more like a lot. More hairy was a violent alcoholic who loved firearms and his son says that he kept guns all over the house and he also said that he had frequent outbursts against his immediate family and threatened them many times with his weapons but it gets even worse beyond that Hayden confided in Angela that he had been violently raped by his father multiple times a week for many years growing up and the abuse only stopped when he got big enough to defend himself and basically his dad's fetish of satin kind of ended up haunting him because he said he was haunted. Did by the Swish of the Satin. Fabric coming down the hallway. So he were his dad like couldn't be around it because it was it was too much. He was to arouse like I don't even think he could be around it later because it it brought back so many awful traumatic memory traumatic triggering for him now. Obviously because Harry was never on anyone's radar none of this was reported to the South Australian police at the time and Harry was never charged with a crime but by the time Harry comes into law. Enforcement's attention through Allen and Stewart Stewart beef collected a whole laundry list of circumstantial evidence that cast a ton of suspicion on him. Now I there is his status status and his wealth. Harry was a very successful businessman. He owned The castaway factory in Plumpton which is like a suburb of the area. Now being rich and well connected and prominent in Adelaide social circles was a great cover in the nineteen sixties here. He didn't fit anyone's idea of of what they thought a pedophile wise and so police never even looked in his direction. Plus remember how the Beaumont kids bought their lunch at that bakery bakery without one pound note. Yeah so apparently. Harry was big on flaunting his wealth by handing out one pound notes to Hayden and his friends to get get them out of the House on Saturday so he could be alone with his satin. It would be like our ten dollar bill for our parents. Yes it was like here. Here's the money now. Go Away and it's a habit habit kind of continued into the next generation when Hayden son Nick who apparently like lived with Harry for a time after his parents divorce like he would give him money as well so although he's never publicly said that his grandfather did anything to him. Nick also alleges that sexually inappropriate experiences is like occurred with Harry as a child though. We don't know what that is explicitly now in the book. Nick tells Stuart about how Harry would rub up against him when they went swimming together. And it's kind of like the most that we got okay. But didn't he say that he saw the Beaumont kids with Harry. Yes so this is like our biggest piece of circumstantial evidence. Australia's seven news did a documentary about here in two thousand eighteen. And they have audio of an interview that Hayden did with one of the sat millions investigators where he recalls seeing the Beaumont children on the day that they disappeared at in his family house on Australia Day. Nineteen sixty six here. I'll play it for you. S. Plus sales sales. When did you see the sign? Hello Hello Harry on the wrong Zone can we ask them. What and so's all sales are get along and from Dole's did you hear a noise? It really shy and Yukon. Sure Offense Austin she was conscious plus now I know that audio is a little rough to here so just to summarize Hayden said that basically. He saw three kids. It's at his family's House on the day that the Beaumont kids disappear and one was drastically shorter than the other two and that would match because Jane and Arno I know we're kind of close in height ish and grant was much shorter being the youngest. Then he says they were gone the front doors wide open. And here's later that day or at some point that day for gunshots. Okay but that doesn't mean anything because he said he heard gunshots all the time right right. No that's that's totally accurate but later that same interview Hayden says that he saw hairy putting some big like pvc bags in the trunk of his car. which again again at? The time didn't seem weird to him. Because it's how Harry would transport his satin dresses to other properties he owned and he said you know to be very clear like I never the children leave the house which by the way I haven't mentioned this get. His house just happens to be within a very easy walking distance of Kali Reserve and Leonel Beach now Hayden believes that the kids were buried at Harry's factory in what he calls a sandpit now here he's factory again very close to everything we're talking about. It was just a short drive from the beach. Does Harry have any resemblance to the sketch. Brett be resemblance. This is an canny. I WanNa send you this gift so we took a video that Australia's seven news made and we made it into a gift and and it is the sketch image. And then it kind of morphs into Harry's picture hang on hang on just a second year GONNA you're GONNA flip. Oh my God that is right eerie. Like obviously he's older than the sketch but he would be will exit. Here's a big Harry was forty eight in one thousand nine sixty six so it's a little bit older but he kept himself in really good shape and so he actually always looked much younger than he was. Honestly the easiest thing for me is the hairline is yeah. He's got that like dental forehead. The hairline spot on he does have kind of a long taste. Yeah and like big shapes the nose shape. This is creepy. We talked about it a lot. Where sketches look really really really similar to suspects but honestly I think this is the most accurate one I've ever seen especially for to me? You Know Ah. The sketch has like some prominent forehead in the long face but it also it can be kind of vague but my goodness is a close. So we're GONNA. I'll put put this gift on our instagram. If you guys need to see it you need to see it. A criminal podcast that on instagram. But despite all of the coincidences so far the South Australia police declined to get too involved. When Allan Stewart I get in touch and this is back in two thousand and seven? I mean Harry's been dead for years at this point points. It's not like they can really arrest him and they kind of like you know. We've got a ton of active cases to work on so according to the Satin Man Book. Police say that they've already ready. Reviewed their evidence and talk to Harry's widow which was his second wife and found that she's a dead end. But Allan Stewart decide to talk to her anyways waist now. She was Harry's housekeeper before they got married and also took care of him after his health started to really decline so she had a front row seat into his weird fetishes. Now I wasn't able to verify her real name like with the other people so I'll just call her normal like they do in the book so Stewart Arranges a meeting with Norma Arma who still lives in the same house in Glen L. and he goes to talk to her now right away. Norma does two things that he finds first first. She denies ever talking to the South Australia. Police and she brings up the Adelaide. Oval disappearances completely Lee unprovoked in relation to the Beaumont's. Now she's really friendly and welcoming though like happy to talk about Harry. Happy to show Stewart all over the house and and she takes him in the basement as part of their tour and he catches sight of something really strange down there a little wight children's purse. A purse would very much like the one Jane. Beaumont had the David. She banished so stewart. Asked her about the purse without necessarily mentioning. Why he's interested or or that it's connected? Jane and Norma gets kind of upset and says back just bought it at a thrift store which is kind of weird for a woman her age like they kind of point out that she's got a lot of means she's pretty wealthy like like. Why is she buying a child's purse at a thrift store? So they tell police about this but by the time police are alerted and they get to the house not they they are exactly norma claims to have thrown the purse away and it is never seen again. Okay that's so shady though like if you just bought it or bought it in general and it was just hanging around your house like why all of a sudden would you just pitch it. I mean that's exactly what I thought too. But without the pursed I though police are forced to return to seeing norma as a dead and yet again years pass Allan Stewart continue new their research and once the satin man is published in two thousand thirteen. Even more people come forward and once again this kind of stirs like all of the public interest. It's completely renewed and this time all the renewed interest like they actually have a person of interest in their sights and they can maybe now use. WHO's new technology to try and locate the children and this new technology reveal something that may finally thaw this cold case? The South Australian Alien Police used ground penetrating radar technology to search around Harry's old factory in Adelaide. The one that Hayden thought that he had buried the kids. Ah The search according to Nigel Hunt. The advertiser newspaper turns up an anomaly in the soil which can indicate that it's moved or that's something or someone is buried there so armed with that precise location police now get involved. And they excavate a one one square meter space in search of anything definitively tie Harry to the Beaumont children but like so many times before this dig turns up nothing. I like the families of these kids have just seen so much like hope. That's dashed and then hope that's dash like Do they have any family members around like their parents like this is fifty years out. Oh yes so. They're actually at the time that this happened. They're still alive and still in Adelaide and in fact. That's actually one of the reasons that police really start looking into Harry as a suspect because they wanNA give Jim Nancy some closure after all all of these years of waiting for the Truth and truth is kind of an odd thing though because even when it's hidden in the darkest family secrets like those of a man like Harry very it begins succumb out eventually so the allegations of his horrific sexual deviancy take on a new life in January two thousand eighteen when when Australian TV premieres a new feature called Seven News Investigates Beaumont Children. What really happened? And a woman who chooses to remain anonymous identifies Harry as the man who brutally raped her in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. When she was fourteen years old at the time she was living living with her family right near Harry's factory and she kept quiet for the same reason as Hayden and so many other sexual assault victims? She was shameful about what happened happened. She had a fear of him. Maybe fear that no one would believe her but again since Harry's dead all the physical evidence of sexual assault is long long gone. There's nothing for police to investigate. Really Her story just kind of corroborates that he wasn't a good guy but this the same seven news documentary does bring forward something that they can look into because a man named David who was a teenager back in sixty sixty six when the Beaumont's disappeared comes forward and tells the investigators or producers of this show that once he did a unique. The job for Harry David Says Harry hired him and his older brother. Robin to dig a hole at the castaway grounds behind the factory jury during that Long Australia. Day weekend just days. After Jane Arna Ingredient Beaumont had vanished now. According to David the whole was about seven in yards long about one yard wide and about as deep as a young boy is tall and he said it was located away way from where that two thousand and thirteen day had taken place now. They didn't think anything weird of this job at the time because they had no reason to doubt. Harry's like you know again awesome Nice upstanding citizen. He was paying them good money for their Labor but David said it wasn't until decades later when he saw that here he was on the news that he finally made the connection action to the Beaumont children so armed with his fresh information as well as a fresh location to search police. Archaeologists and forensic experts returned turned the old castaway factory Melinda Macmillan wrote for Newcastle Star in two thousand eighteen about the search team who had basically what they found was more soil anomalies. Right near where David said. He and Robin had doug back in sixty six. which makes sense? 'cause you know. Anomalies can show anything even digging and we know they dug their and right. So it's not a lot upfront. But at least enough to spark yet another excavation and before the dig police officially named Harry as a suspect suspect in the disappearance of the Beaumont children so on February second two thousand eighteen. The second dig at castaway begins. But but it's called off after less than twelve hours when investigators turn up nothing but some old animal bones Katie. Okay but that doesn't clear Harry like they've only dug a couple of places on his property. Yeah exactly and especially with this like mountain downton or at least a hill of circumstantial evidence. I think Harry is still a fantastic suspect. And I don't think they removed him from their suspect lists I. I have no doubt that he absolutely was a sadistic pedophile during his lifetime and the scars that he left on his victims are clear. But who knows if we'll ever get a one hundred percent clear answer about his possible involvement with the Beaumont's like like police still believe that the Adelaide oval disappearances are connected to the Beaumont kids so if Harry's responsible for one it's totally possible that he's connected to the other but so much time has passed memories memories fade and many of the people who encountered him including Hayden. Angela are now deceased Nancy. Beaumont herself passed away just a little bit ago. On September Sixteenth Two Thousand Nineteen in Adelaide at age ninety two and her husband the Beaumont's father Jin he's actually still alive alive presumably still carrying the hope that however unlikely it might be after all this time he might still learn the truth about what really happened into Jane Arna in grant on that fateful day. Look if you WANNA see photos and learn more. We're about this case or C.. The sources that used you can find all of that on our website crying Junkie podcast dot com. And don't forget me have a special mini Minnie's owed about the family murders for fan club members where you can find that on our website as well. Just put the Fan Club Tat. And that's available for you right now and also if you like leaves please make a donation to the disaster in Australia. For All the brushfires you can learn more about what they need. And what you can do at redcross dot org dot a new and need a little pick me up eating. Stay tune for a brand new carpet of the month story and we might also be taking our leads to Australia Crime Junkie is an audio chuck production. So what do you think. Chuck DOC debrief. Okay Ashley. Are you ready for property of the month. Yes I need a good profit of the month story okay so this one is about a hero puppet yes it wasn't submitted by a listener it was just us browsing the news and seeing appropriate beating some like they always are so this is about patsy and Patsy. Kelly border caller mix which I think we may have talked about before. Actually do you know my one son fact about copies. I no nothing okay. So what are the oldest dogs ever to be recorded Maggie. She was thirty when she passed away was account. But you have told me I didn't remember the breed but you tell me this every time I get really sad about Charley right. 'cause like I'm pretty sure our dogs are kelp is right like yeah. Yeah yeah the. They have all the characteristics of Australian herding dog. I think all three of our very different dogs. Yeah GonNa live so thirty so yeah. Kelp is all across the board. So patsy lives on a farm with her family in Core Young Victoria Australia and we talked about it earlier. Everyone is aware of Australia is experiencing these devastating bushfires ars that are claiming not only lives of people in the environment but also the amazing wildlife who live there as well as domestic animals but patsy is is out here and she's going to change that patsy has bravely heard something like nine hundred sheep out of the fires way into safety and even stayed with her owner Stephen Hill to help fight the fires as they come closer and closer to their home. Yet outta here. Are you crying like like very very close to cry. She's saving all the sheep. Puppets trumpets trumpets. Yes let's take them. A few sheep have have not made it but her owner Stevens said that there was no way he could've saved any of the sheep little loan how many eh they did without Hattie's bravery and smarts and just willingness to help when she's needed and like I literally have full body chills right now like I'm about to cry. I'm so inspired by patchy all the tree. She now has an instagram. Which of course I'm obsessed szeswith followed immediately? What is her instagram handle? It's Patsy the wonder of Koya on why and we're GONNA linked to our website because it's a long handle but I am obsessed with are there and there's like there's one that I literally just like wept at its video and like her owners like pay Pepsi look those sheep and then pans up to a bunch of sheep and in pans back to Patsy. That's all because if you pats you did it those are sheep and I'm not going to try and destroy accent because I'm going to the budget but like it tops. The Cherry on top of the entire video. I wept ugly honestly the way I looked hopping in with a small correction because I have not stopped trying to find her. Since you said it's Patsy. The wonder dog. She is is amazing. Her ear is amazing for days again. We're GONNA linked her instagram. Because I definitely messed it up because it's such a long handle but I'm obsessed but one of the Post said that patsy officially has front seat privileges for life. I for one think that is incredibly well. L. Deserve Great. I'm she's appropriate hero. I'm so happy. Yeah so again. Not necessarily listener proper up. That makes me proud to love. Props straps okay. So we talked about problem months patsy deviating but there are other dogs in Australia. Who needs homes? Especially during this time I would have right so I found an adorable prophet. And I'M GONNA be honest Ashley. I chose him one because he's from Victoria. which is where Patsy is from the Victorian dog rescue but to his name was too good to pass up? What is his name is Baggins? uh-huh pickersgill how can you not love him so I chose him for the name. He's Cooley which I had no idea about I had had to people. Do you know what they are okay for us. US folks they're basically a different kind of Australian hurting dog. Okay so they kind of look like an Australian shepherd or or blue heeler mix between that coolies. Love the name clues and Kelpie debase. The best dog bringing opportunity so I picked him up because of his name but then I read his profile and it was like meant to be had finish off this month with this so I read his profile and it states legend says Baggins was originally raised to herd sheep like his breeding suggests but he got surrendered because he was too kind to the sheep. Stop Stop It. I know and so he was adopted again by grounds men which is kind of like a landscaper for US people okay. And he was able to go to work with his person and just run around all day outside with his with US human. which is like I'm not getting no? I'm not getting happy because I know he's up option. And where does this go wrong. He lost his human tragically and never got to say goodbye. So he's a back up for adoption. Ashley I need you to stop crying because is it gets really cute soon. He's super social. He loves meeting new dogs in people and I wish I had a dog like this. He enjoys baths so much he like lays down and rolls around in the bath. No I just. I'm obsessed with so if you're in Victoria Australia or more specifically in and elster nick which I probably butchered. I'm so sorry and are looking for a new friend. Baggins and his friends at the Victorian dog rescue will link in our website. He's super super cute. I'm accessible BAGGINS. Someone's then he lost is human and everybody in Australia. We love you. Oh we love you.
Case 100: The Beaumont Children
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It's available now in hardcover able and audiobook wherever books assault. Era, besides do with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel it anytime you need support. Please contact you'll across the central for suggested phone numbers confidential support place say the nights for this episode on your app or on our website. Today's episode contains volunteer against children at one be suitable for all listeners. He no tub nineteen fifty five grant done better nine two friends is Jim and to the city hoteling relied on a hall after a win the host rices. The strategy. Nami veteran had recently returned to South Australia off the yeast spent serving I've essays and was nail working as taxi draw felucca cab company suburban taxis. He owned several vehicles working hard long hours to earn extra income. Cain to celebrate win at the rices with drink Jim walk into the Victoria hotel on hauntingly straight in the heart of at alight city. He's a tension was immediately drawn to a woman who was sitting aiding a meal with another couple. Struck by her natural beauty and warm day on on us. Jim worked up the courage to approach the woman who introduced himself as Nancy Ellis. The two hit it off immediately just six weeks after their first date. Jim proposed to Nancy and by December that year, the pair were married. Nine months later in September nineteen fifty six they gave birth to their first job a daughter. They named Jane. November nineteen fifty eight marked the arrival Ovonic, Kathleen the Beaumont second daughter. Budget law nineteen sixty one their daily family was complete upon the arrival of a third and Forno a boy named off that he's father grant Ellis. The bones with the quintessential Lasi family, but knowing sixty six forty one year old JIMBO had tried to driving taxis for a new career in cycles. He worked as a traveling salesman for linen company while he's off that he knowing year old nehisi stayed home to take care of this young children. Knowing year old Jane Beaumont was was beyond her years, incredibly well spoken and intelligent. Jane was a show ago who enjoyed reading writing poetry and playing outdoors. She had a love for academe ya that encouraged dream of becoming an author rotate show when she grew up. Polish composure would crack when exhauted closing his speech to delightfully Stuttle. As the oldest of the three Beaumont children. Jane exceeded a level of maturity in protectiveness that who parents lock into a fifteen year old Jane brace through natural maternal qualities by watching. Protectively two youngest sibling 's. Seven year old on a bone was the more extroverted of her siblings with a walled imagination that could keep her entertained for hours. Going into fiction it on a loved seeing dancing playing. Dress outs and putting together concerts that she would perform in front of Fini, sometimes rubbing her brother and sister Rian on the app. The baby of the family full year old grant by more junior was a little gentleman who want allies his father, he'd shadow Jima around the house watching. He's father completed domestic tasks and pretending today. He's a little assistant. In another attempt to bay just lucky dead. Grant would zip around in a red Gocha acting as though it was a taxi grant was a sweet and friendly little boy and to the family doted on him lovingly. Jim Beaumont's job as a traveling sows men men he often had to spend dice at a time on the road. And while he disliked being away from his family it afforded them a modest, comfortable loss thaw. To Cape him out to date with the happenings at time. Jane would send her father. He injured in lettuce detailing the little events of day, which Jim would Cape tucked safely. These briefcase to raid h not for a reminder of home. One such lead read. D loving daddy. When auntie tally came down to stay with us yesterday. We went to the Goodwood pool last, nor honoring grant swimming, the toddlers poo, which was up to my waist on me. But auntie mummy and swimming, the three foot six inch pool. While we were there are learned had over my is onto the water forever. So long and learn had a kick my legs into Mike moyens flight and Dov Bryce fully Dov, braces, Dov and planed off a lentil these for Monte Tali. There's only one thing conto braving as swimming alone. To not pi Fritz and Saucier wage and Ryan by waas crane. Auntie tally Boorda, great big gross chicken from her father for nothing. Most of all I want to wish you much luck with your hot tarring work. Well, goodbye I have to go. I love you. Loving jane. Whenever Jim managed to take time off work. He would take his family caravanning to visit. He's old army mates in Victoria or explore different parts of south Estrella. During one trip along the great ocean road on Victoria's west coast, the family stopped that the conic twelve apostles landmark. Jane, Donna said on either side of grant as the Beaumont children happily posed on the cliffs in front of the lawn Stein. Stacks the memory captured in a photograph. Jim Indonesia, Beaumont cherished vase holidays. Savoring every moment the family would together. Nineteen sixty six the bone family was living near striding, drain. This suburban home on Harding straight in summit pock allowed them to take advantage of the conic Ozzy bay chew off style. The sought Subah of Glenn. How was only twenty minute walk away and the bones like many others were regular visitors during the woman months. To cool pristine waters of Clinton bait provided rest bought from the Hauch Australian sun and the stretch of golden sand was the audio space for the kids to run around imply. South Australia's metropolitan coastline stretches fa thirty kilometers from south the west Clinto Blois towards Sente on the shores of outfoxed by like I did eleven kilometers southwest from Adelaide central business district. As the oldest European settlement on mainland, South Australia, glencoe desire to many historic who high toes restaurants and attractions, which I've looked the scenic safe Ron. During the summer months the basis. Flood serene safe provides perfect swimming conditions that thousands of daily visitors this central hub of Moseley square frames. The shores of the beach intersected by the Glenn to city tram lawn. Neighboring the square is Cawley reserve and expansive lush brain knowns shuttered Butto upon trace providing populace spice, picnics and somebody. So it from coz medic and modern refurbishments to Glenn Bates front and Tanta rans a very much the same diet as they were in the nineteen sixties. Back then the glencoe jetty was in a state of disrepair after suffering extensive damage from a major storm in one thousand forty eight and had yet the bakers thawed. In nineteen sixty one a much shorter jetty was constructed in its place which remain standing today. In January nineteen sixty six at alight was experiencing prolonged type wave with temperatures soaring towards forty degrees. Sociopaths to cool off the Beaumont family had spent a significant portion of the summer school holidays at Glen bait. Jimbo mon- had been lucky enough to enjoy full wakes of holidays over the Christmas period. Spending many days of his break at the beach with these children. Jim was officially back to work on Tuesday. January twenty five and was to embark on the hot one hundred fifty kilometer journey to snow town. He's first round of silence coals for the the full laving net. Moaning Jim great to give his three kids lift Dan decline out bay the site them from having to rod that box in the hate. Upon reaching the Glen oak forsho, Jane, Ana and grant, gut out of their father's held and station wagon and rushed down to the bait. Like a majority of kids in the only nineteen sixties the bone siblings. Enjoyed a great man of independence. The quiet close knit suburbs of alight. What carefree freight and Saif where everybody needed nighters and looked out for one another. Spending time in so I was discouraged and parents typically sent their children out those alone to play for hours on end, urging them to return home before the straight lots flick it on at naught. In the hottest dryly, and summa suburban straits, backyards parks and bases filled with like oh children who would gather to play games sports Rawdat box and make new friends scrounging up enough lose change to buy screams, hot chips, mixed police and soft drinks. Days by the days before television sets commonplace before the hole in the ozone layer, presented sun exposure threats and before parents felt the prevailing Omni presence of stranger danger. Jimbo mon- trusted. He's three children completely the maturity of his eldest daughter. Jane served a youngest siblings will. Jiang confidently lead honoring grant on summary, outings, hurting them on and off the bus carrying grant on her hit and ensuring her little brother and sister never went David than that belly buttons went swimming in the ocean. That would good sensible kids who took great care of each other. And I by parents rules. Before Jim bone on drive own woods for his trip. He sat in east observing contentedly as he's three to play on the beach four year old son green could saw to be father watching and ran towards him waving happily and coaling go on daddy. Don't worry. The following day of Wednesday, January twenty six nineteen sixty six Nancy bone woke could seven AM after another hot and sticky notes sleep. She lay in bed enjoying the pace in quiet before her children arose. It wasn't long before on our grant boasts excitedly into their mother's room jumping on Nancy's bed and asking if they could spend the diet the beach. School was Judah Ray commenced the following lake and the kids wanted to make the most of their remaining Tom together while they still could. Was a strike day and national holiday that marks the anniversary of the arrival of the first flight of British ships to a lean chose although the accompanying public holiday was anticipated for the upcoming weekend. Clinto base was still guaranteed to attract thousands of visitors that Wednesday Ega join in on the day's festivities. Unlocked the rest of family needs by on didn't care much for the bait. But with a husband wife, a work. She was the one at bailable to accompany the children to Glen oak. She agreed to consider taking them once daily housework was complete. After breakfast, the Beaumont children, while becoming impatient. As Nancy had several Choshi had the finish. She caved in and agreed to let her children guy. Decline o- on their own was a trip the three had made without parental supervision many times before and with the was and Mitchell Jane leading them Nancy had nothing to worry about. While it was only a short walk and David showed a Bacharach to Glen oak and was fought to hot for the children to make the journey on foot. The diagonal road bus. Stop was only one hundred meters away from the Beaumont sales and the bus route led striding glencoe stopping on Moseley straight a short walk from the beach. Needs you decide to catching the bus would be the quickest and therefore best option for Jane, Ana and grant. The IGA Beaumont children quickly dressed in bathing suits, the oldest. Jane, all pink one pace bathers with payoff grain shorts and Totten canvas seeing shoes middle child on oh won't read and watch stroked one pace by this with tan shorts and tan Sandoz the youngest grand will grain and what this with grain cotton shorts. Read the sandals and remained shirtless. Jane packed three h tells into a green lawn stall showed a back along with a paperback copy of the novel Little Women. She handed her eldest Doda, eight shillings and sixpence to us, but boss phase and launch which Jane carefully placed inside a what clip talk us. That were instructed to use the change from their lunch to but tickets on the midday bus harm. With the children out of the house. It didn't take needs e long to finish her housework at around ten thirty. I am she jumped on her buck, Android. I visit a friend who lived NIA boa five minutes before the midday bus from Glenn was Judah RAV needs. He wrote to the diagonal road stop to made up with her children. However, when the bus arrived, the person to disembark was notably woman. Needs. He suspected her kids. Must have missed the midday bus. And would instead jump on the following bus which would arrive to the diagonal ride. Stop around two PM unconcerned Nancy road her. Soon after she arrived a couple of friends stuck by her surprise. Visit. During this guy needs. He kept a watchful eye on the clock. Two PM to buy and still. There was nice. No on of Jane, Ana who grant. She reminded herself that the kids knew the local area lot the back of their hands. And there were several different rats may have taken to Woolcock if they missed the bus. Needs decided to white a show wall Longa as the three PM boss would be arriving at the diagonal ride stop from Gano soon. And there was a likely chance who children would be on board. Shortly before three pm, Jim Beaumont's Holden station wagon unexpectedly pulled into the draw of way. He wasn't scheduled to return home from snow town until the following day. But I was slow in the weeks following Christmas holidays, Jim thirties. Tom would be better spent at home with these family? Nancy informed. Her husband that day kids, hadn't returned from the beach, and she was thought to worry. Jim assured, Nancy. There was nothing to be worried about believing would have heard something by now with an accident had occurred. It was the same thing needs. He had been telling herself aloft a nude reassured by the fact that an accident injuring old three children was highly unlikely she was thankful for the fact that if one child was her the other two that Seiko she had always believed in safety in numbers. There was still nice on the children by three thirty pm. Nancy whited expectantly at home in case, they arrived at any moment. Jim Dr Glenn oh to save. That was still there. The town was packed with thousands of people making it impossible for Jim to spot his children through the crowds. He returned time to pick up Niyazi and the pick home to the bait their initial concern quickly growing into fool blind panic as I filed to uncover any so on of their children. At five thirty pm. Jiman- Nancy Beaumont walked into the Gano police station in Moseley square and declared the three children Jane honor grant to be missing. The constable led the glencoe police station took a description of the Beaumont children. But assured they're concerned parents everything would buy an abduction involving three children was unheard of said the constable was certain kids at either lost track of Tom lost highway home or had been involved in an accident. Nonetheless, he called police headquarters in that alight. To fall the report. Jiman- Nancy returned home to hiding straight disheartened to find the kids hadn't returned during their absence soon after two police officers arrived took in Dr sir of the by Mon house believing though as chance the children was simply hiding from their parents to avoid getting in trouble for failing to make a few. When the search proved fruitless the offices began a more Dato lawn of questioning with Nancy Beaumont asking for exact information about what the children were wearing. And what taunt I had left time. She described her children knowing your out Jane was full foot six inches toll thin with freckles and sun blazed hair cropped to hurries with a pushed back fringe at the front. Seven-year out on was full foot toll of plump build with suntanned skin and short dark Brown hair. With a fringe. Four year old grant was just three foot tall thin with short Brown hair and complexion with very suntanned skin. The police left the such glencoe and the surrounding summit pox straits with a frantic Jim Beaumont inte-. I searched the cousins of glencoe Somerton west bay ch- say cliff and Broughton looking for any so on of the children, including the bag tells and clothing, I had left the house with that moaning. The hunt. Temperature might the search extra challenging as the beaches was so packed with Kratz of able light into the non. Jim Bown quickly ruled out. The possibility is children drowned in the sea lighted starting quote. The betas were packed and the say was calm one. Katie perhaps could be Joan, but the three together I just can't imagine that that would have been some evidence. They had that grain Bauge bag with them. They had their clothes a fan. Did nothing lock that at all. Struggling to say properly in the dog the police code off the search until the morning lot. Jim Beaumont failed that he wouldn't return without his children and continue to search the straits into beige is alone until seven I am. Supported by friends and neighbors means you Beaumont kept if jewel at home as would of the children's disappearance trickled onto lighten art radio news until a vision reports needs you wondered whether her children had fallen into a hall down a cliff the children's love for one another with strong. And if one was her the other two would never abandon them. Whole three where fried of the dog, and they may have taken shelter some way for the non. The possibility of Duchesne crossed Nancy's mourn, but the idea of someone kidnapping three children once Saint Sifi fetched that she quickly dismissed the prospect. Racked with guilt near she blamed. So for allowing her children to go to the beach alone that morning, the increasing fee that her children were to say st- fueled such intense, anxiety, Nancy how local doctor was cold to the house to administer her strong sedative when an exhausted Jim Beaumont return time for his futile. Search he found his wife slumped in a chair in a Medicated sleep her face stained with TS. The extensive police search for the Beaumont children resumed at dialed. The following morning on Thursday, January twenty seven five boats from the say rescue squadrons scanned the glencoe show lawn while offices trudged on foot through stormwater drains, seeing jeans and dense grout police from city and suburban patrols joined the ongoing search conducting door knocks and checking backyards sheds, and if I can properties. Police issued Dato descriptions of the children's physical Phages into clothing to the media ball police cars fitted with loudspeakers drive, the straits gla, no appealing fell. By moaning, JIMBO Mona dressed gathering. Members of the press on the back porch of his hiding straight home sick with worry and struggling from sleep deprivation, he played it desperately phase children to come home telling the media quote. It's a complete mystery content to stand markets will be crying narrow as. It's a nightmare. As a woman with the motion, Jim baddies head and bright. Danny teas. Nancy by Mont was too distraught to face anyone and remained in those in Medicated folk. As news of the disappearance spread the Glenn. Police station was quickly inundated with information from the public people wishing to speak to police had formed a lawn has stretched twenty meters long saw the door. With just the one sergeant and four detectives decline. Police station was ill equipped to handle the unexpected and a lodge sky will case for the small team interviewing every single person. And following every possible late was impossible. Painstakingly talked h given statement easing the stations only talk. Brought oh. The search for the missing Beaumont children quickly escalated into a statewide frenzy. Police roadblocks were established on all major South Australian hallways and outta lights. Port draw weistein were put under heavy surveillance. Members of the public volunteered at Tom to whiting the search including taxi drivers who had previously worked with Jim Bowman. They cruised the straits in that cabs while members of Jane, Beaumont's, brownie pack, ride that box around the surrounding neighborhoods searching for them missing front. Trey kids matching the ages of the Beaumont children was sawed at seven PM on the naught the siblings vanished. The children were saying standing by the water's edge at the Padova Longa bowed Ivan and marina just one kilometer north from Cali reserve. A woman spoke to the children briefly. And I had informed her that I didn't live in the area. Given the heart pry fall under gency of the Beaumont children case police tightening now chances. The marina which had a surface covering seventy acres and a depth of seeks fate was drained for the first time since its establishment in nineteen fifty nine. In what would become one of the largest single searches for the Beaumont children Sipho eighty young police cadets dragged themselves through the thick black fast-melt mud at the bottom of the empty, marina using broomsticks by product the mud for any song of the missing children. But to no avail. Despite these efforts noticed single pace of evidence was like headed to indicate whether children had gone. It was determined that the ceilings left time carrying around seventeen or so autumn's with them including bags close tales as well as Jane's book and purse. None of these autumn's were recovered at any of the K. Like, the children were expected to have traveled nor whether I spotted on the show lawn of Glen on bake this made the possibility the tree I had drowned all the more unlikely given that belongings would have been left behind on the sand and delighted discovered. The search for Jane, Ana and grant by Mon soon became the most extensive missing person search in South Australia in history. Within the first forty eight hours of the Beaumont children's disappearance. Police had received hundreds of calls from PayPal claiming to sane the three young siblings. One woman claimed to have seen a man and three children, enter vacant house opposite her Hymie, not lights as than suburbs. But the group was mysteriously gone. The next. I'd. Another believed she sold the three children accompanied but to men sitting at a bus, stop, multiple suburbs away in semaphore park. Most reported sightings let Noah who were ruled out completely. But with the help of several reliable corroborating witness titans. Detectives where I would have pace together. What was luckily to of Bain, Jane, Ana and grant by month's movements prior to that his appearance. While reports from witnesses who believed they saw the children on the morning of January twenty six very specifics. That was enough information provided for police to establish a fairly reliable Tom on and authentified several potential aids. And approximately ten fifteen I am, Jane, Ana and grant Beaumont Boorda public transit bus to Glen oak from the diagonal rights stop as confirmed by the Drava. An old a couple traveling on the bus recalled Jane Beaumont sitting on the backseat. Grading Little Women, while honoring grant messed around cheekily putting their arms out of the windows just to get a rise out of there. Oughta sista. The bus arrived to Glenn how just a few minutes. Oh, and the siblings disembarked on Moseley straight several straits back from the safe run. Local postman tone Paddison who knew the Beaumont family from his dialing my route. So Jane, honor and grant walking along nicely straight holding hands into laughing. Tom heard one of the children Elliott to the others. Look there's post the and little grand wiped Ella. Thome struggled to recall the exact tone. He sold the by on children uncertain. If it was in the morning, or after noon, but police believed the sorting occurred as the children, I headed to the beach. Several witnesses observed the Beaumont children playing in the shallow waters, just north of the Gano Jedi which formed the busiest section of the beach. Was the same area. That had swam in die before when they follow dropped them off before he's worked trip to snare town. Honor in grand Bareilly countable splashing in the shallows and never ventured beyond to Weiss date. Shortly after eleven I am the children finished, swimming and made the short walk from the jetty to call reserve. Whether I lied that tells me out on the loan he that will witness playing under awarded sprinkl as I washed Santa Fe. Deciding was further corroborated by a school. Friend of Jayme Beaumont's who saw the siblings at the reserve at around eleven twenty five. I am. And notably woman sitting on a bench in front of the nearby. Halt fast silent club observed a man approached the Beaumont children as they ply doubt on the loan. He was described to Baynes thirties. Six foot pole with an athletic, build tnd skin, long face forehead, and wavy blonde hair. He wore navy blue by the brakes with a distinctive watch straw. Off the speaking to Jane and youngest siblings. The main place design tail on the grass if you fade away, then my only stomach and to watch that you'll dron play. Within fifteen minutes of the man's arrival. The children were saying jumping IVA him. The oldest go playfully flicking him into siblings with her tail. A half hour Elida the otaly woman, observing the group left Colley. Reserve nineteen the man and children was still frolicking together on the loan when she departed. Sometime between eleven thirty IM into midday. The Beaumont children ended wenzels Kate Shaw on mostly straight. Whether I often purchase they launch. When in town. The bakery was like added right next to the bus stop the siblings would use to get back home to summits and park. These actions seemed to Bain lawn with their original plan to buy lunch and return by midday as advised by their mother. Newsy Beaumont had given Jane eight shillings and sixpence in silver coins to purchase lunch for her and her youngest siblings enough, very of the children to bypass the and have enough left IVA for the bus fare hun. At Wednesday's biker that three children purchased five pastas six finger bonds and to lodge bottles of soft drink, one of the children also stated something along the lines of and apply for the man. It was an unusual request. Given the children had arrived to the store alone and the shock Gabe who had served by my children in the past. Did not recall them ever purchasing mate Pau before? Dislodge order fire excited. Demand of food that children were quiet for lunch. Whilst racking up Bill beyond what I could afford with the modest man of money given to them by their mother. But when it came Tom to pay the children handed over a one pan to note as significant amount in nineteen sixty six and two more money than the Beaumont children ever had access to. After leaving the bakery around midday. The children did not go straight to the bus. Stop and return home as expected instead minutes Lyda that was spotted backing in reserve this Tom neither Glen oaks of club building and notably couple sitting on a bench. So the three children arrive and stop speaking to the same toll blunt head man, Saint plying with children oleo. The sun nine man than a parched. The otaly couple sated Niba and within the short of children asked. I had seen anyone going through that belongings. He exclaimed someone's Nick down money. This conversation was either heard by another woman close by who watched as the man returned to the children and again, hoping the young Beaumont Gilles put their shorts on there by biters. The woman noted the action as odd as the oldest. Go looked much too old to require assistance getting dressed. The man then went into the chain sheds behind the surf club building to get dressed taking nothing but a pair of trails and a tale. The three children patiently waited for him on a bench out Saud and was still there when the orderly couple left Cawley reserve at around twelve fifteen pm. After this that were no further reported Saudis of the man or of Jane, Ana grant, bone. Based on witness descriptions, a sketch of the unmanned law sane with the Beaumont. Children was drawn up. Witnesses could remember certain physical Phages, but not other distinguishing characteristics such as the color of ZOA. So the shape of his nose Omay off this led to a Vache sketch with the oddest left to fill in the gaps using his creative into a protection. This rough sketch was widely circulated, and although it didn't late to a positive day. It did prompt another witness into coming forward. The witness provided dish no details about the man's appearance. Describing him as being in his thirties or early forties with a slim build and fair to law Brown hair potted on the left hand side. The sketch was subsequently updated. But the main portrayed never came forward to clear himself making him the late suspect in the Beaumont children's disappearance. According to witnesses, the Beaumont children appeared completely days in the company of the unmanned and did not same at all distressed based on this information. Police suspected Estrada was not the first time I had met and to the main my frequented Glendale, Gary all have already been known to the children in some other capacity. On by Mont had recently told her mother that Jane had a boyfriend down at the beach a comment that Nancy had brushed off innocently at the tone. But now had her questioning whether the unknown men could have been Jane's off at that. Go crush. The witness who saw the man hope Jane get dressed further added to this theory needs by on described Jane as shy modest go who is very particular about her body. It would be uncharacteristic of her to emit a title stranger to touch her in such an intimate way. Investigators developed the theory that the unknown man was a pedophile who may have been grooming by Manchu dron during their unsupervised visits. Took Leno building. A report with the siblings of tone, spotting them unsupervised on a strike the day. My presented him with a clear up at unity to target them a wolf in shapes closing it. Same to lock no coincidence that when Jane and her siblings, would you too tight the bus home money had mysteriously disappeared. The police considering the Lockley scenario that the man himself had pocketed the child's money oppose feigning, concern and maintaining the deception but questioning park visitors about the supposed theft. The one pm to note that children used in the bakery was perhaps one last act by the perpetrator to secure his pri- generous offer to the Dan and kids to spend lavishly on their launch. Having earned the trust. The man my have been off at the tight, Jane, Ana and grand hun. This theory would have the children willingly laving Calley reserve with their doctor without drawing any attention to themselves or sensing any danger. Fifteen bone on the possibility that he's children had been abducted Saint closeable. He told the media quite. Someone must be holding the children against their will other was they would have come home by now. Jim speculated that an abduction have been observing the children for some time watching as they play deny parents presence at the bay of the summa upon noticing. I had no adult supervision on a strategy die. The abductor may have seen it as the perfect cuppa Choon ity destroyed they might have approached Jane, honor and grant and laud to the children into their vehicle perhaps by offering to guy I suppose visit to say that father fabricating story about their parents being involved in an accident. The fee that her children were being held captive led Nancy Beaumont to tell a journalist for the herald news Baiba, quote, a think is a mother. I'd rather kill the children were so and get it. I've at quickly than have them at the mercy of some bad person for so long. Running with the theory that Beaumont children had been abducted by pedophile. The Sunday my own use pag printed a story that plied on every parent's worst north, MS. With a headline declaring sex crime. Now feed the article went one step further starting police suspected the three Beaumont children had been slang and voiced concerns that the bone Ataka could struck again. Parallels were Joan with the unsolved murders of fifteen year olds Marianne Schmidt and Christine Sharrock at Sydney's one debate the previous e suggesting the same perpetrator could be responsible for both cases. The one debate in Beaumont cases, shed noticeable similarities as both involved children going missing from a credit Bates during the January school holidays. But unlock the one debate case way Marianne and Chris thanks buddies fan. Within diabetics appearance me with our law saying alive. No trace of the Beaumont children had surfaced in close to a white. But I fought in the ongoing search for the Beaumont children South Australian police had received a one thousand five goals in relation to the identity of their prime suspect. Further reports placed the Beaumont children on airplanes in Qasr and various locations throughout light into state. Newspapers said also picked up on the story leading to alleged sightings in other states as well. With the investigation now focusing on identifying the man Las sane with the Beaumont children. Police turned their attention to known sex offenders around the halt fast by area. As the suspect was same by witnesses carrying Hanley tail and trails. It was speculated. He lived locally as those visiting from further away would be inclined to come better prepared for the trip possibly carrying a bag to hold that possessions. However, most nine sexual predators who lived locally where I could provide solid. Alabama's for the died. Abon on children vanished. Detective sergeant Alex on the Glenn residents to check that properties for any Sohan of the children quite. There are many vacant Himes by old ramshackle buildings in the area of Glen out and new houses in the nearby suburbs. And the children could obtain Louis into them and anything put of happened. Days turned into whites and still there was no sawn of Jane, Ana or grant by on. The south astray leeann stike government put forward a modest through would some five hundred pants for any of the mation about the whereabouts of the missing children. The reward was deigned highly adequate prompting Lago businessmen and provice citizens to contribute to the man in the hopes of encouraging others to follow suit. Jim Perry on a great decelerate half to boost the reward fund if anyone came forward with information leading to the cipher turn of his children. With donations from the local community, the reward Gerda, just I've at ten thousand pounds, this increased amount coupled with the extensive media coverage of the case led to an onslaught of false reports hoaxes and while theories about what happened to the children. People showed up on ans- on the Beaumont's doorstep to shed, visions, Sarkic ratings and extended their religious beliefs. Jim Indonesia listened patiently to everyone who raised out to them, but the constant media attention and wild speculations were taking Netto. Opportunistic strangers Trotta take advantage of the grieving couple while the Zenit insult to injury. But trying to point at the anguished parents as suspects. And man with a foreign accent cooled off to noon, tabloid newspaper than us climbing. He was honing the Beaumont children for ransom when the receptionist trod to connect the man with the editorial department he hung up and was never heard from again. The coal was quickly ruled hoax thoughts Bain spot by the kidnapping for ransom. Sydney. Schoolboy Graeme thrown six years earlier in nineteen sixty which were saved huge nationwide media attention at the tone to kidnapping of Grahame Thorne was coveting episode. Seventy five of case fall. The federal police received to find coal from Adelaide resident Owen Grosso reporting that he had sought had three children matching the descriptions of the missing Beaumont children. According to grow the three children being driven in Cobb by a learned man grocer alleged the men held him up with a pistol. And demanded he filled his car ready. I'd with water before fleeing with the children to the Barossa valley a renowned worn producing region seventy five kilometers from Adelaide. Lyda grocer admitted he had made this report while highly intoxicated, and that it was based on nothing more than he's iron theory. Hey into friend prosecuted for making the false allegation. Following a report that the Beaumont children were being held captive by man and woman at home, uncle Nogues, esplanade the home Assad squad right at several houses in the area. The found in our trice of the children the man who made the report admitted was a law driven out of spot the couple he had falsely reported as the Beaumont's captors where actually he's a strange to off and two new boyfriend. After Melbourne-based news pipe out the truth published unostentatious story declaring by Mont children to still be alive. Multiple witnesses client to of Saint a mean fitting the description of the prime suspect driving a green Ford utility truck along the hallway between not alight. And melvin. The witnesses stated the man had to goes. And boy in the back. However, given the amount of tone that had passed between the alleged Saudi send the witness statements police mostly discounted think says on related to the KYW's. The media speculated the perpetrator could have taken the Beaumont children as far as New Zealand as no poss- ports were required to travel between the two countries that the tone. Pitches and descriptions of Jane, honor and grant was sent to New Zealand. Authorities with advice to remain on high alert. As summits impact resident reported saying three children walking along Bantry road, a residential suburban straight with links to mostly straight shortly before three pm on January twenty six. This children were in the company of a man described desiged between thirty and thirty five six eight toll with law, Brown hair, cheekbones and a son reddened complexion. He was carrying doc halon style bag and walked with a slot distinct swagger. As this description was inconsistent with the characteristics of the nine man Las same with the Beaumont children. Investigators mostly ruled they saw heading out. After two weeks of searching had filed to uncover any songs of Jane, Ana grant, Jim Beaumont hesitantly returned to work in an attempt to restore some semblance of normalcy to he's lawf-. Nancy joined her husband on the road, desperate for a distraction and to change of scenery as every corner of their empty family. Hyme reminded her of missing children. With laid raching dead ends into no new information surfacing stories of the Beaumont children's disappearance dot fade from the headlines in an attempt to Kate. The story in the news, Jim and Nancy sporadically great to interviews with the press, but they're discomfort in the spotlight was Clea and the constant Schumer of having to rate leave their ordeal caused the couple of great distress. Without any new compelling information to report, the media attention and public assistance in that case began to dissipate. Has strategy is then lading forensic saw tryst? Dr John McGeorge was interviewed by journalists. Looking for a fresh angle on the story don't McGeorge had assessed many strategies worst criminals and his experience own team shining reputation for correctly, full, costing the outcome of criminal cases. Based on his experience into knowledge. Hey predicted old threat by Mon children. What dead and that killer was a Sarka path ho some the bodelon along, mental illness and perverted tendencies don't McGeorge depict at the children's killer. As a reserved person with limited intelligence and few friends who'd likely lived in a boarding house, all with otaly parents. Nineteen sixty six Jim and Nancy Beaumont refused to give up hope that the children were alive. They kept their home perfectly intact wanting to keep everything exactly as it had been the di- children left, everything from the backyard. Swing said to the kids books toys into box of white their return. Haven that goes Stroh school hats hung expectantly on their usual hoops in the hallway. Through that despair GM Indonesia remained optimistic that their children had been abducted by someone who was keeping them alive. And well that had been reports throughout a strike of desperate childless couples attempting to kidnap children to raise his their own. So the prospect of the Beaumont children being alive wasn't completely without merit. Needs Sheba on Toda reporter quite. They count of just vanished off the face of the earth. Nobody can do that we go over and divert between ourselves, and the logical thing seems the bay that someone has them. It could be a friend will some way of never met. If I had good into a strangest cau- would only have Bain because the young two children had told to Jane into it. September nineteen sixty six marked seven months since the bone children vanished without a trace on September twenty seven saying you constable wrong grows was attempting to make a Colt police headquarters in Melvin from his police station in Canova a small Victorian town twenty five kilometers ace of the South Australian Boda. As he whited for the coal to connect. He's lawn became crossed with the conversation occurring between two famous. Saying you constable grows. One of the women say went bringing the bone kids back from Hoban, and we had tied and think it's gone to give up. Convinced the goal was authentic grows reported the conversation to the Victorian homicide squad who quickly notified, south astronomy. The authorities. Upon hearing news of the phone cO, gene, Indonesia thought, it was the strongest lay dead Baynes since their children's disappearance months prior and quickly clung to hopes that the coal was genuine. Chimba on drive three hundred twenty kilometers Canova to speak to send you constable wrong grows in person and was called the exclusive brethren a subset of the Christian evangelical movement for active in the remote areas around Canova. Disinformation sparked Jim's attention as rumors had been circulating that a religious sect could be holding his children captive. Nancy Beaumont might a hot felt play on television. News quote. Place, whoever you are pleased with your. A field that in different ways. You have been conned two children, but our beg you show a greater continous by letting them come on. This suspicious coal. I've heard by saying you constable wrong growers was successfully tries to feud is alisha the two women on the lawn were dente Fahd and clarified to police die had been talking about the bone case before switching the conversation to an unrelated topic regarding some other to turn that thank you. Police was satisfied the women were being truthful and had nothing to do with the bone case quickly eliminating them from the investigation. Not in sixty six was a beat. Ye first dryly news, prime minister, sir. Robert Menzies were tied off the seventeen knees in the top office to be replaced by harrowed ho. Strategy. It made the move to the decimal currency system with the Ian dolla replacing impre existing stri. Liam pound. Japan replaced. Great Britain as a strategy is the largest trading. An assassination attempt to his typing out on live potty laid off Colo and to time it sporting venues were allowed to try on Sundays for the first time. As they stories dominated national headlines impromtu arms. The unsolved case of the missing Beaumont children was vastly. I've shadowed something big needed to happen to prevent the case from fading into obscurity. Jim and Nancy Beaumont had already been approached by many self-proclaimed spiritualists who claimed to know the whereabouts of their children. One such spiritualist claimed to have recited division of the children buried in a grave at the bottom of a cliff in the bait Saad suburb of marina, non Columba's, south from Gano. His permission Comtois sparked a police search of the suspected saw but nothing was found. In a bid to help solve the mystery and employees of South Australian newspaper the ad Vittorio. Roy a leda to find Dutch player Voyin Girod Creuset asking the he's assistance to help like the missing children. Creuset who claimed to have started receiving Sarkic missions during his lessons had owned a reputation in the Netherlands. I is thing police in solving murders and missing curse cases. He's fame had spread throughout Europe into the United States. And he's hope was sorting many high profile criminal cases. From his home in Holland Creuset responded to the newspaper, employee's leda styding. Hey believed the Beaumont children had been involved in a tragic accident unrelated to fail ply. He said they could have been playing innocently when something around them collapsed causing them to lose a battle against sand or water. For his visions revealed. The children's bodies were lying on a stretch of I've been land not too far from the sea about half a mile from where thou law saying, hey, requested to be sent photographs of Glen again that surrounds in order to determine exactly where the Beaumont children were like I did. Curry's interest in the by on children was the fresh group needed to bring the case back into the media spotlight. Would of course, it's vision was quickly published by the Vata with several other publications reaching out to the Dutch soggy and printing Dera Tyke on the story. The new media attention renewed public interest with many members of the public flogging caves and Talas throughout glencoe and neighbouring caused the Larry's to search Jane honor grant based Puglio crow sets would. Upon Reseda photographs and further information Croix zits, visions, became more, vivid. He described saying that's rate children's bodies lying in a cave knee, rox on the beach with scrubland and to square house to the rot handsaw and shows or Caro Rafe in the distance. South. Australian citizens believed to Gerard Creuset had identified the Minta home in Broughton a residential support and education facility for the intellectually disabled. Minta home was like I did on the coast three Columbus sale on the bones property. The media quickly entertained theories that the perpetrator could have been a patient that Minta home who off the kidnapping and killing the Beaumont children buried them on the foreshore in front of the Mindy grounds. From his home in Holland Creuset advised that allied citizens they were on the right track. And encourage them to keep digging front end light is brought into Mundus coastal boundary to remove tons of sand and soil, but the excavation revealed nothing and the Dc became a public embarrassment. In November nineteen sixty six two prominent Adelaide businessman funded a trip to bring Sarkic Gerard Creuset to Estrada. Ten months had passed since the disappearance of the bone children. And it was believed that Creuset physical presence in the K life Asians from where I had vanished would strengthen he saw abilities and hope blade thirties to Jane, Ana and grant. One was buried Blackwell of brought and car company. Mid white Motors who'd already made several generous contributions to the bone investigation, including as significant boost the reward money. The other done was calm, polite. He's a self made allied property tycoon who relished bang in the lawn lawn. Given the man of contact jiman- Nancy Beaumont had received from self proclaimed, so cakes the couple whiskey cool about Creuset claims. And when not actively involved in the efforts to bring a clairvoyant to Estrada. Gerard creuset? A great disdain outta light Fatu dice and refused. Any payment as involvement in the case? He was conducting he searched for the Beaumont children in good faith, claiming he was ninety percent shoal. He would be able to pinpoint the like Asian of their bodies. His arrival. They not alight prompted a media frenzy that outshone near RAV of British rock and roll band the bagels two years ago. A crowd of two thousand people greeted Creuset at outta light airport, including thirty reporters and cameramen with anticipation running that he would funnel himself. The mystery that had been haunting residents for close to a year. Crozet was I've a wound by the reception saying all he wanted to do was hope solves the tragedy and to release the city from fee. The next morning Creuset visited Calley reserve where it was believed, Jane, Ana and grant by Mon law, saying he then what three kilometers along the Glenn. Oh, four show with a media crew following close on. Blind Creuset was driven through the straits of gla. No and to past the Minta Hon which had light residents had pinpointed as the location. He had envisioned in previous so visions. Despite previous lodge sky will digs of the area proving fruitless upon he's arrival to the area present client who is now very close to finding that children. The next day. He searched if I can blocks of land without uncovering any evidence before complaining that too many people were following him and old the attention was weakening. He saw capabilities. On these phone on morning in that allied to rod Creuset impromptu press conference to reveal that new information had since come to laud I've annoy. A woman claimed she had heard children's voices in a disused warehouse near in the only morning hours of January twenty seven nineteen sixty six the not the bone children went missing. At the time. The way house was biking having previously been used for brickworks headed since being converted into join ary company. And although extensive renovations of the building had been conducted in August. It was possible that several underground shoots leading to the old brick kilns still existed. Creuset led police and members of the press to away house on Wilton avenue in poor Inga less than five hundred pages from the Beaumont's time believing that children were buried two to three made his deep in an underground bunko. He walked to the northern wool of the warehouse and said. This is where I buried. According to his visions Gerard Creuset climbed. The Beaumont children were afraid to go. I'm in the dog so hot fish Elta near the empty warehouse. The tree Iowa standing on planks of wood, which then caved in causing them to fall on the ground. The floor of the warehouse it since being concrete it meaning the children's bodies wearing tuned underneath. Off the bestowing. This information Gerard Creuset supported the idea of excavating the concrete fool, and then promptly left the country. Residents about allied to Kreuzer that's word as gospel believing. He had uncovered the fauna resting place of Jane, Ana and grant bone under pressure from the public the south striving government deliberated whether to dig up the warehouses concrete floor using taxpayer money by stone. Nothing more than a Sarkic premonition, although g mended means he bone had met with Creuset briefly during his visit. And appreciate it. He's interested in case. They would not convinced, AVI. So I could abilities and did no support the dig. Police investigated Creuset claims by racer ching. What the conditions of the old warehouse were locked in January of nineteen sixty six and determined. There was nothing closeable about Creuset so-called fishing. The building owners short police all in grant, Pete's with Arlene spec that before concreting what began and there were no Sohn's indicating the children had fallen into any. In late November nineteen sixty six sales destroy Liam Premio. Frank Walsh, stated quite. Investigations have shown conclusively without a shadow of doubt that there is no possible chains the factories the burial ground of the missing children. It was decided that an excavation of the concrete flooring would not go ahead. However, the public wasn't convinced the findings and was certain Creuset, visions where correct. Citizen action committee band together to conduct a public survey in support of the excavation and raised seven thousand dollars to fund the project the excavation took place the following year in March nineteen sixty seven. Work is demolished sixty fate of the concrete flooring revealing an old staircase at brick kiln a pace cloth. Lawley Rapids lemon peel and unease by biz none of which were found to have had any relevance to the bone case. The remains of Jane, Ana and grand would not discovered. On behalf of the south stri, lean government premier Frank Walsh. Apologize to G men Nancy bone for the continued anxiety and Sarah. By the one year anniversary of the Beaumont children's disappearance. Their parents were still clinging to the belief that Jane, Ana and grant were alive as it was the only thing giving them the energy to carry on. Jim by continued to grasp onto his theory that the children were lowered and -ducted quite. A man or woman will probably a main and two women together persuaded them to get into a car and drive them away somewhere. They might tell them Nansen dog what killed in an accident. And I've got them somewhere. It would have to station or some loss. Alighted plice locked that. God if that could only say what it's doing to needs in may. It's no good without the children. Not when you have had them on just can't understand law without my kids. There's no point to it. Despoiled Jim, and Nancy Beaumont continued hope that children would be returned to them alive by the two year anniversary of the disappearance. Investigators were no close to uncovering the mystery. Emotionally, exhausted gene, Indonesia, decided to take a step back from the media spotlight off to providing one lost in depth interview. I spoke to the pressing Dato about Jane, honor and grant, and what I missed most about the well behaved sweet natured children I had always dreamed of having whilst thanking the South Australian police for their toilets were and praising the community for the ongoing support. The hot felt of you ended with Nancy Beaumont's response to the question of whether she and GM would rely to a new home for fresh thaw, Nancy said, quote, Congo in case the keys come high. He say on waiting for them to come back. He have someone could drop them at the front gate. Wouldn't it be dreadful? If all were not he. In the days following this interview. G and Nancy bone was shaken when a letter arrived to their time sawn by they missing Doda Jane written in child lock handwriting the lead. I read. D mom and dad, we assign F. So there is no need to worry about us. We really missed you in the past two years at the bay on that day, we will walking to the bus stop. When a man in a cost dust and asked if we wanted a rod said that we did. And that is how it all started. The man would not let us right before he's letting us right now because he saw the article in the herald to not and to sorry for you both. He watched us a lot for about six weeks. And then he did not watch us so much. Honor and oil and talk about you the grant does not remember you at all often more than two years. We have been fed will hold atone tone as well as honor grant hoped that you both. Well, the me and said to me just NIA that he will willingly let us go. If you will come of it to Victoria to get us as long as you do not call the police. In the Leta. Jane went on to request that her father come to Dandenong to made that cap though, a south based in SABA been the neighboring state of Victoria, seven hundred sixty kilometers away from the Beaumont's. The rendezvous was scheduled the tight place out the front of Dandenongs local post office said I fifty IM the following Monday. February twenty six. Johny instructed her father to wear dot cut, and what pants ensuring he would be easily identifiable to that cap though. She stressed that was very important that the police must not be informed. Jim and in ENC Beaumont believed, the he Android ING into lead up Boise minorities to that of Jane's and felt possible. The was indeed written by their oldest daughter. They made you concern was that on his name had been misspelled in the Letta using only one end instead of two despite the fact that Jane nude the correct spelling of his sister's night. Not wanting to disregard the letter on. What could have been a simple spelling mistake, Jim and Nancy contacted the head of the South Australian homicide squad detective sergeants, Dan, swine and talk him into hoping the Moga has a secret trip to Dandenong. Swayne grade and put the plans in place, taping his involvement strictly confidential as to not alert the alleged capita to involvement of law enforcement. Prior to his arrival to Dandenong swaying code ahead and booked the room at a Lago where he would stay at the jurisdiction of the scheduled made up. When making the booking the detective sergeant gave the hotel many Joe he's full night. As had been some thefts in the Dandenong area. Rayson -ly the owner of the hotel was wary about lending complete strangest. I n es establishment to make sure this guests didn't present a threat. He contacted a local police office to run a background check on the name. Stan swine. The local office discovered a belonged to a South Australian homicide squad detective who was heavily involved in the Beaumont case instead of trading. This information sensitively the officer then called a reporter at the Melbourne-based herald newspaper to advise him detective swine surprise appearance in town. The herald news pipe sent a group of reporters and photographers to the Dandenong region to discreetly Skype detective swines whereabouts convinced he's presence had something to do with the Bom case at the Saint town. The news news piper. Not alight had received a tip-off from someone close to the bone family and sent their own group of reporters and photographers into state to invest the guide. On the morning of Monday, February twenty six Jim Bown stood alone out the front of the Dandenong post office has it been instructed to do in the lead from Jane detective sergeants, Dan swine was watching discreetly from Niba posing as a window cleaner. The telephone rang in saw that day that on post office and the Myo coul Ross the staff member tween foam, Jim Beaumont that he was running like that would bay designated matings bode as soon as possible. Throughout the day. Although nearby businesses received Kohl's from the unknown mile who instructed employees as to Ray lifer. The messages to Jim. Dema steriods man maintained. He was still Onis. Why? Desperate to believe. He would be reunited with these children. Long lost. Jim Beaumont stood in front of the own post office for three days. However that when I saw of Jane, Ana grant, all the mysterious, man. Dejected Jim Indonesia returned to Adelaide with two more letters were awaiting them upon their arrival one leda was allegedly from Jane who said that capita was very disappointed that I brought the police with them. No the second letter claimed to bay from the capita himself. He wrote. D- mister and MRs bang on OEM terribly. Sorry that could no hand. Joe children back to you. When you were in Dandenong, but on you, you had detectives with you and the main straight with so busy. I am taking extra good care of the kitties. The Rawda went onto buying the bones for going against these wishes and informing the police he said it was too late now and that one day in the near future. He would put their children on trying to Adelaide. So that better have bedrooms ready for their arrival. Following wake a third letter arrived from Jane this one saying. I want you to know. And never forget, no matter. What happens that we will still love you both? Very much. 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Boy, Nancy and Jim Bowman led to their eventual divorce, although they maintained valued friendship there off the. Typos moved away from the family home on hiding straight in some impa leaving behind the crushing hopes that they're smiling. Children would one die. Swing open the gate and awoke in. So i'd. With the media now firmly focused on the Vietnam war, the disappearance of nine year old Jane seven-year-old, Ana and four year old grant became a distant memory. What was once the biggest criminal investigation in south? Australia was nail of a Saint by a single detective. Over the years, the occasional pace of information related to the case filtered through and police continued to follow up on oh lawns of inquiry and that s speculative, but nothing substantial level surface. Seven years off by vanished. Memories of the bone children's disappearance flooded back into the alight consciousness as news of a similar of Duchesne made at lawns. On august. Twenty five north seventy three eleven year old JoAnne Ratcliffe, escorted four year old Kirsty Gordon to the bathroom stoves during a football match held at a light of a lodge football. And cricket study on the banks of the Tarn river less than two kilometers north of the bay. The troops should have taken just a few minutes, but twenty minutes Lyda the ghosts do hadn't returned to their families. The alarm was quickly raised into police contacted promptly initiating fooling Vesta Gatien. Joann and Kirsty lost. Same by several witnesses struggling with a man who then dragged the goes out of the oval southern guides. Demand was described as being average hot with stooped boss Joe wearing a wide brimmed a cougar stall hut who named glosses Greig check at sports jacket and Brown trousers. Investigators had learned a lot since the bemoan case and to now new missing children cases, should no longer be handled. Conservatively this time abduction and probable murder was suspected almost immediately and reported in the media such. Yet despite efforts, JoAnne, reckless and Kirsty Gordon would not like I did novas the man Las same with them off benefited. The investigation into finding JoAnne and Kirsty plight. Similarly to the bone case in that no evidence was on covered and the subsequent. Search was bogged down bought bugassault writings walled, speculations hoaxes and unsubstantiated visions from spiritualists including input from Gerard CROs at the Dutch clairvoyant who Sarkic visions filed to uncover any sawn of the Beaumont children. Based on witness accounts award Cal sketch of the man sane abducting, JoAnne and Kirstie Joan up and widely circulated similarities were immediately drawn to the sketch of the unknown, man. Seining collie reserve with the Beaumont children just before they vanished in nineteen sixty six. By sketches depicted a middle aged man with a long lane face and well-defined bone structure. Paid her Alexsandr from the police association of south Estrella, light said quite. There is a big chance. These two crimes linked this type of Fender these top of Killa, he just can't get a handle on even on a worldwide basis. These extraordinary the psychology and supreme confidence of the guy. He's a standing one group of children taken from a crowd at bait. The other from crowded sporting field both in broad daylight. The light nineteen seventies. And eighties South Australia was once again struck boy spite of horrific of doctrines into modo's. Five young men went missing over those years that bonus Elida fan in various locations throughout alike. Police believed network of sadistic pedophile where responsible for the crimes men who held prominent positions within delight society. As the perpetrators were suspected to go to great lengths to prevent one another from being detected. The brutal slayings were dubbed the family murders. In November nineteen ninety four at a light accountant Bevan Spencer. Von Arnim was sentenced to life in prison for the motor fifteen year out Richard Kelvin, the faith family mode is victim. In no, anti not the details of the committal. Hearing Hoed prior to Bevan Spencer von Arnim murder trial were released to the media after a series of suppression owed as what lifted. Crown witness identified only mister bay who had previously pothead with Vaughn on 'em handwriting and assaulting Myo Ishak is at testified at the hearing. Mister bay told the court that venenum had confessed to committing at least ten murders, including the deaths of the Beaumont children. Von on admitted to adopting the by monsoon before connecting them up and performing some quite brilliant surgery on them. After one of the children Daud he killed the other two and dumped the bodies that the my Ponga Oma wanna to areas like added on the southern coast of alight. Vaughn most I mentioned that he had picked up two children at the football. As in the case of JoAnne, Ratcliffe and Kirsty Godin. Despite this alleged confessions many aspects, but lauding Bevan Spencer von Einem as a suspect in the bone case didn't add up. Although he's build matched that of the man lost sane with the Beaumont children. Von on him had only been twenty years old at the time that disappearance this was much younger than witness descriptions, who consistently reported the man last seen with the children as being middle-aged in his thirties or early forties. The bone children all side didn't fit the profile of venoms preferred victims who would typically miles in their teens and early twenties. Bevan Spencer von on denied any involvement in the abductions of the bone children or JoAnne Ratcliffe bent occurs. The gouden. However, speculation he's involvement in the Beaumont children's disappearance was Reyad noted when reports alighted circulated that a mile spectator. Resembling young vote on him was cooled in the background of archive footage watching as police dog is searched the pedal along about Ivan. As killers have been known to return to the scene of Krahn to weigh the Rayleigh of their fantasies Bocek on police progress. Was speculated the Vana was exhibiting textbook criminal behavior. An expert in forensic facial mapping compared the images of the spectacular to that of a young phone on him. And concluded there were considerable differences between the piss facial structures. The phone on look was determined to be just that a local. Nevertheless, Bevan Spencer. Von was no dad as a suspect in the bone case. Following Mr. bays allegations self striving police turn to their investigations to them pogo reservoir, the location von told mister bay he had dumped the bodies of the three children. On February two Nantie, no anti police. Dav is from the underwater recovery unit. Arrived to the flurry opinion Chila sixty kilometers south from at alight to conduct a search of the manga reservoir. The major undertaking presented multiple challenges as the reservoir held twenty eight thousand eight hundred Meghalaya's of water with the depth of one hundred maters in some places making it difficult fidora's to reach the bottom before they compression stops were needed. The water also contained fine silt that significantly reduced visibility. And tons of accumulated silt would have gathered over the years since the children went missing effectively burying any remains. Police revealed that was searching for bodies, but refused to comment on whether it was those of the missing Beaumont children. Days of searching filed the uncover any remains and to the search was eventually code off. I'm not to police confirmed suspicions that I had indeed been searching for the remains of the Beaumont children as well as Kirsty golden and JoAnne Ratcliffe, but nothing had been found. Another massive and devastating setback to the Bonn case occurred in Norton Ninety-two advances in fingerprint technology, presented the oput unity to test the fingerprints fan on the handwritten lead supposedly pen by giant bone and her capita back in nineteen sixty eight. Lettuce that prompted G men to Nancy Beaumont to travel to Dainong in Victoria with the false hopes of being reunited with their children. Testing of the fingerprints revealed the author of the letters to forty one year old man from Victoria when confronted by police. The Victorian main admitted he had originally written the lead as a teenage prank which had quickly spiraled out of hand. He had seen expressed great remorse for he's immature behavior. Regretting hoax. These auto Yee's. Police determined the man had absolutely knowing of in the Beaumont children's disappearance, and he was promptly eliminated as suspect given the man of Tom that had lapsed, and he's I at the Tom of the Cohen night charges wherever fall against him. As the non nineties came to an end, another person of interest was named in the bone case office Stanley Brown. In nineteen ninety eight Brown was charged with a non teen seventy mode of sisters Judah than Susan McKay aged five and seven he needs town of tans Ville coins land preowned managed to avoid detection for the Motors for almost thirty years. After he's eventual arrest the Browns photograph was widely circulated in newspapers and television reports nationwide. Jogi the memory of a witness to the nineteen Seventy-three abduction of JoAnne Ratcliffe in Kirsty, Gordon who identified Brown as the goals, Dr. Even in his older years. Brian bull haunting similarities to the authentic sketches and witness descriptions of the suspect brought down to the watt brimmed AKU stall hat and honed in glosses often war. Hold on brand was settled in Queensland. He had frequently traveled into state for work. And it was possible. He had passed through South Australia hard for the years. As the sketch of JoAnne Kerr's, these abductor has been widely compared to that of the man lost saying with the Beaumont children Graham was considered a suspect for both crimes. By the time. He was arrested for the MacKay sisters murders. Eighty six year old author Bram was suffering for miles as disease dementia and determined unfit for trial. He was there for laced to live out the remainder of his law in a nursing home without ever facing trawl for the forty five charges which had arisen since his arrest, including ripe Moda soda me. And deprivation of liberty. He died in two thousand four legally as an innocent, man. In may two thousand four convicted child Killa dairy Curnis Percy was named as yet another potential suspect in the bemoan case, courtesy was convicted in non sixty nine for the abduction and murder of twelve year old Avante two from abate in Victoria. He was found not guilty Judah raisins of insanity but was holding custody indefinitely. Police suspected Percy could have been involved enough to know unsolved crimes related to missing go murdered children throughout Australia during the sixties. This included the unsolved one debates modes covered further in episode one of case fall. Collection of personal Dariz and drawings written and illustrated by their Kersey detail disturbing torture, fantasies that bore striking similarities to real crimes committed against children that had occurred prior to his arrest. Strengthening the suspicion. He was far more prolific. When questioned about his involvement in other run solve crimes Kersee tall police. He believed he was not alight the tone by Montrose. Dron went missing. But insisted he had no memory of anything else. Even if Percy's memory was correct. He was just seventeen years old in nineteen sixty six much too young to be the main witness in the company of the Beaumont children. Police have also Bain unable to determine whether Percy had access to a car at the time of the children's disappearance, which investigators presumed would have been necessary to facilitate a quick getaway. The reliability of Percy's climbs was one of contention given the fact he had Baindain to lazily insane. In July two thousand thirteen Derek Percy Dodd without providing any deathbed confessions that many were hoping for leaving members of law enforcement and many graving families, including the bones with the dances. At the tone of the new millennium the truth of what happened to the Beaumont children remained, unknown. But the list of suspects potentially involved in the disappearance continued to grow. In the two thousands convicted child killer James ROY in our Neil became the subject of the base a documentary. Todd, the fishermen journey into the mind of Killa. I knew was charged in nineteen seventy one for the abduction and sexual assault of four young boys in Victoria, but skipped bio fled the state and changed his name. Four years later in nineteen seventy five he was located entice mania where he was arrested until I two convicted for the abduction and murder of non-euro Tasmania boy, Ricky Smith. During production of the documentary Neil develop the friendly report with these interview foam Victorian police detective, Gordon DIVY. After spending three years getting to know that convicted killer of he's documented DIVY suspect. I Neil could have been involved in several other missing children cases, including the bone children. New nod having ever visited Adelaide, but he's work in the pooling district. Put him in the South Australian morning town of Kubat Patey up to fifteen times throughout the light sixties and seventies troop that facilitated stop by very not allied to return to his town in Melbourne. As DIVY interviewed are Neal's, former acquaintances the retired detective learned from multiple sources that are Neal had boasted about being responsible for the death of the three bone children. Diaby suspected are Neo could have taken the children all the way to kube PD eight hundred forty six kilometers north of at alight where he then dumped their bodies down on abandoned damone shaft. Diaby Tuckey information to South Australian police who subsequently interviewed O'neil, but ultimately ruled him out as a suspect. Yet another two suspects in the bemoan case where uncovered when allegations made by the adult children of Adelaide businessman, Ellen Maxwell McIntyre were heavily publicized in two thousand seven. Has children who had publicly accused their father of bang incestuous? Pedophile claimed that hey, along with business colleague and foam, a scoutmaster Antony Monroe went to Glenn obey Australia in nineteen sixty six. When the two men were time that would by visibly agitated MacIntosh, children claimed Santa blood visible in munari's car and profess to saying the buddies of three children in the boot of the vehicle. Police investigated the shocking climbs, but ultimately cleared Alan maximum McIntyre, Andy Anthony, Monroe of any involvement in the Beaumont children's disappearance yet McIntyre himself later admitted that there was partial truth to the allegations. During an exclusive interview without alight news pipe, the ad Vittorio MacIntosh vindicated himself and pinned the entire crime Onis friend Anthony Monroe, alleging that on a stride. I know in tain sixty seeks Monroe arrived at his property. We three bodies in the back of his car. Mcintyre described Monroe as quote, one of the most evil pace of work that ever drew breath. Until I continued to the noise any personal involvement with the crime up until he's death in two thousand seventeen that same year two thousand seventeen seventy two year old Anthony Monroe Clinton guilty to ten unrelated child sex crimes dating back to the sixties some of which occurred in Glenn oh during the Toan period by Mont children went missing. Manara was sentenced to ten years in prison with a non parole period of five years and five months, and it will be eligible for parole in two thousand twenty two. At the time of the bemoan children's disappearance. Allen Maxwell McIntyre iron to block of land in the yolk peninsula town of stands berry, two hundred kilometers west of Adelaide. He's children alleged that a sinkhole on this property was filled in just wakes off to the Beaumont children disappeared. The police refused to excavate the land ju to lack of evidence. In two thousand six to commemorate the fortieth anniversary of the Beaumont children's disappearance. True crime. Oh, Alan Waco release than in-depth book exploring the case Todd searching for the Beaumont children. Several months after its release week. I received a phone call from woman ninety Angela alleging full foam father invol- was responsible for the abduction and murder of Jane, Ana and grant bone. Alan he remained skeptical of the decade, the high profile mystery had attracted elaborate hoaxes speculation and theories with investigators journalists waiting out countless claims from people who believed they knew the whereabouts of the Beaumont children who the identity of the trio's Killa. Some of the more outrageous clients included people coming forward climbing to bay the grown up by more children, the nation's desperate need for closure insured every late was investigated. But none wisps dainty added. However, the information provided by Angela to on Wittig. Oh was compelling as it were Voth antics with nine facts of the case. She alleged her ex-husband Haydn had once confessed that he's father had something to do with the Beaumont children's disappearance. Adding that the children were quite in the pit. Hold on. She was shocked by the comment at baton. He Angela was on show. What to make of it? Haydn had only recently confided that he's fatherhood subjected him to horrific sexual abuse throughout his childhood and was in an emotionally fragile site. It wasn't until Angela red Allen Whitty book about the Bono case that her gut instincts told her Haydn's allegation might be true. In his book. We do Kerr explained that on a strategy diagnose eighteen sixty six the Beaumont children had paid for their launch at Wenzel K shop using mysterious way, lavish one p on to note. This was one of the cases in my significant clues as it was suspected the money was given to the siblings by someone involved in this appearance. According to Angela wealthy foam. Father in law was notorious for handing out one pant Nuys to we son and these friends to toss them to go out and play. So he could be left alive. Immediately intrigued Alan Whittaker inform piece racer cotton s to Mullins Abi Aad Angeles found co and Mullins dive head first into investigating the allegations. The suspect in question was Harry Phipps a million businessman who was regarded as charming and charismatic in nineteen sixty six Phipps lived in glencoe with these off and teenage son and iron and operated the cuss. The factory in north Clinton added full Columba's north of these high. Phipps house was located on the corner of yoga and sausage straits. Ame- three hundred made away from by the Wenzel cake shop and the chain shed in Cali reserve where the by Mont children loss audit. This provided a perfect triangle between the investigations to k- like ones and the suspects property. In fact, the loans of Kali reserve could be saying from the suspect time and was less than a minute. Walkaway? Dano Augusta straight residential road Lond with character Himes upon trays. Additionally, Harry Phipps resides in his early forties in Norte, sixty six and he's appearance. Bo striking resemblance to the sketch of the man lost Saint plying with Jane, Ana and grand. He was approximately six feet tall with enough letty build long face forehead, and y LA Brown to blond hair parted to the saw. As you angel is clients continued to gain merit. The investigation was handed have to providence -tective Bill a foam detect the for the South Australian police. By the time angel had implicated full my father in law in the Beaumont children's disappearance. Harry Phibbs at Bain deceased Fatu years, having succumbed to wells into Zales full. Nevertheless, researchers to Mullins proceeded to look into the law of the prominent respected businessman to determine whether the accusations against him could be true. Mullins arrived to Glenn visiting the house behind Colley reserve where Harry Phipps leave until he's death. The half nap belonged to Phipps second wife. During a tour of the house Mullins was taken into an underground Sela, which Phipps said do is disease work show. The Mullins quote saw it of something sitting on a shelf. The was a what clip top vintage purse in pristine condition, the very same coined Jane Beaumont had left time with on January twenty six nineteen sixty six. Unable to take more of this. Bizarre. So adding the next day Mullins returned to the house to question. Phipps widow about the birth. When he mentioned Jane Beaumont had ironed that exact top of purse Phipps, we'd I became defensive claiming she had boarded from an optional. The previous white this climb struck Mullins odd given the woman had inherited millions of dollars from her to say husband's estate and had no Nate to buy cheap second hand Charles purse. Mullins informed. Police of the discovery the when a detective visited the dice lighter to retrieve the purse Phipps weed out advised she had thrown it away before threatening Mullins with legal action. If he returned. In two thousand night, Harry fifth son Haydn agreed to an interview with provident Vesta guide. Bill is to provide further inside into his allegations. That he's filed that had murdered the threat Beaumont children. According to Haydn, his father was far from the image of charming respectable businessman. He projected, but instead predatory pedophile and abusive alcoholic with a love for guns. Hi, didn't Recode chilling memory from IVA forty years prior occurring on January twenty six nineteen sixty six on that some day. Teenaged titan was smoking cigarettes in cubby house in the backyard of his family's Glenn. Oh, come when he caught saw his father walking into the house with three young children in. H had short cropped hair. The oldest one was carrying showed a bag and all appear to be lost. The three children winning saw at the fifth time. But never emerged. Hide and lie. So his father light full large bags into the boot of his car and drive away. When Hyde and entered the house, the children would no way to be saying. Alan Woody Kerns to Mullins presented derisory into Harry Phibbs in two thousand thirteen novel. Todd, the satin man uncovering the mystery of the missing bone on children. The toddle was inspired by Phipps inside insightful sexual fetish for the silky fabric. Rather than naming Harry Phipps out rod pseudo names were used to protect the authentic of the accused these family. In the book. Harry Phibbs was referred to as Hank Harrison. Following the release of the Sutton man made your interest in the new bone suspect. Hank Harrison was high. When channel seven Karna fish. I today to know the story they can't the pseudonyms in exchange for use of the real names. Harry Phibbs was exposed. But today to not revealing Phipps foam business as the castaway factory north Clinton at sparked the memory of two brothers who found board asserting had been hired by Harry Phibbs to dig a hall at the factory. So I'd in nineteen sixty six just three days off to the Beaumont. Children went missing. The brothers. Now I deny seeks these with teenagers who lived locally at the time and often picked up jobs to earn extra cash. Fips instructed them to dig a hall with the dimensions of one made of wide to made as long and to made his deep. Who was a searing hot weekend and the factory was closed. As watched the brothers closely urging them to dig deep. Two days Elida, they were paid handsomely for their work with fibs handing them both one pan notes. When the brothers heard the castaway factory mentioned onto dice annoy that were hit with the haunting realize Asian I could've unknown Doug gray for the three Beaumont children. This story also corroborated allegations. Harry Phipps son Haydn had made to private investigator. Bill Hayes who said he's father had buried the children at the industrial. So Hayden told quote they are in the pit Bill. Although police maintained there was no evidence to substantiate allegations made against Harry Phibbs soon relation to the bemoan children's disappearance. They agreed to conduct a search of the custody factory. So I. The factory had changed significantly since nineteen sixty six and to the brothers were unable to pinpoint the exact location where I had originally Doug ho, the one brother believed he had a general idea. In October two thousand fourteen South Australian police used ground penetrating right to locate a small normally in the Saudi area, but upon excavation of the one may square segment of nothing was found. This excavation that was widely criticized as neither brother was on saw during the day and critics believed the police didn't dig deep enough or in the correct spot investigator Bill as said quote. Wasn't anyone's phone was the geography that had changed when we saw the areo fed is we knew we dug in the wrong place. In January two thousand nineteen south stratagem police launched a Holly publicize joint investigation with channel seven and Flint as university to conduct a more thorough excavation of the castaway factory. With further assistance from the brothers forensic scientists on covered an area of disturbed approximately the saw of grave. Headed being fifty two years since no one year old Jane seven-year-old, Ana and four year old grant had mysteriously vanished and expectations across the strike while high hyping the second more thoroughly plan to distracted Dc with late to a major breakthrough. He had the excavation revealed nothing more than rubbish and a few animal birds. Major crime Detective Superintendent is Bryce said quite. We accompaniment that has been hall Ojos Dougie, historically, and to those halls have been used for at least a period of time as some sort of tip. There's nothing at all. That's being like I did today that in any way connected to the Beaumont children. Sadly this mains for the Beaumont family. We still have no answers. We will always do everything humanly possible to like to buy Mon children and return them to their family. As of like two thousand nights, the whereabouts of Jane, Ana and grant, bone remains unknown. The investigation into the disappearance is regarded as one of the largest criminal investigations in in history. And holds the tragic legacy has being one of the country's most infamous on solve mysteries. To this day. A one million dollar reward remains on offer for information that lades to the truth about what happened to the Beaumont children that some day in Norton sixty six. Gene into needs by Mon by denied knowing teas and still reside. In delight? I have not physically spoken to the media. He Nova forty years and have come to terms with the locker who had that. I might never learn what happened to the three to dron. Old I presumed murdered. If the Beaumont children was still alive today. Jane would be sixty two years old on would be fifty nine and grant would be fifty seven. Sketch of the man say implying with the Beaumont children Cawley. Reserve remains the only circulating image of the suspected perpetrator. No other criminal case industry million history has attracted as many suspects with hundreds of papal investigated. I've of the years, including the most notorious and vile criminals from across the country. In February two nights eighteen south the strategy and Maija Kron detective superintendant Bri said up to a dozen potential curse. If interest could not be excluded by police. This place includes Bevan Spencer von Arnim off Stanley Brown. Derek Ernest Percy, James, ROY and Neil Anthony Monroe, Alan, Maxwell McIntyre, and Harry Phibbs. Strada? There are more than two thousand long-term missing PayPal and is a five hundred cough. Two sets of unidentified human remains in June of two thousand nineteen Suzy Radcliffe. The youngest sister of JoAnne Ratcliffe the eleven year old girl -ducted from Adelaide Oval in Norton, seventy thirty cold Farrell evidence. In long term missing children cases to be urgently rate tested. Fidel. Locked the Beaumont children, JoAnne, Ratcliffe and Kirsty. Gordon have never banged found and their doctor never authentified. Suzy Ratcliffe believes the remains of her sister could be amongst the unidentified remains along with those of curse, Gordon and the bone children. Suzy supported by renowned forensic scientist, Dr Jody ward who wants to strive to commit to a low bar tree dedicated solely to missing curse casework. According to Dr ward, the current capabilities in DNA, forensics, Kudo experts to match remains with some of strivers long-term missing persons cases, and potentially provide relief to suffering families. The unexplained disappearance of the Beaumont children on a strike lead. I in nineteen sixty six irrepairable shouted Jim and Nancy bone who for years lived in hopes that Jane, Ana and grant would one day walk through the gates of the family. Their loss was felt by the whole nation, creating legacy of paranoia and fee that remains to this day. The bone story has been a cautionary tile for generations, providing stock awakening to the Abel's the law in the underbelly of society. January twenty six nineteen sixty six has been coined as the dia stri Leah lost its innocence with the disappearance of the Beaumont children paving the way for greater awareness of stranger danger. The names, Jane, Ana and grant by Mon have become etched into a strive in history. And the legacy will never be forgotten. The investigation remains open. A large collection of candid, photographs exhibits. The shore though, carefree law of Jain HANA and grant bone tycoon and by parents during holidays and special moments the black and white images perfectly captured the essence of the bone families daily cloth. The photo showed the children all smiles as they go about that dighly laws grant, grinning, Onis tricycle chain and Donna saw broadening the elephant cod at the ad alight. Zou and Jiang carrying her baby. Brother, Renault would annoy laundry basket. In one photograph, the three inseparable siblings stand together excitedly showing off their lewd from the nineteen sixty five Royal Adelaide show. Jim Beaumont these photographs along with letters written by his oldest daughter Jane in body, the memory of the family you lost. The lost leda Jane ever ride to her parents would serve as a constant reminder of that kind caring and protective nights of the young go who would always go to great lengths to shoot her youngest siblings. From hong. Just days before strategy, not sixty six John was proudly babysitting her youngest siblings while her parents enjoyed annoyed out with France. Before she retired at the bed for the noise. Jain righto parents note to fill them in on the events of the eighth inning. D mom and dad, I'm just about to guide a bed and the time is known put grants nappy on. So there is no night to worry about him wedding on the show grant wanted to sleep in his bed. So one of you will have to slave with Ana. Although you will not find the rooms in very good condition. I'll hurt your fond to them as comfortable as way too could not to you. Both jane. Yes. You had a very nice time. Wherever you went.
The Entrepreneurs - Eureka 135: Beaumont Nathan
"Rica monocle twenty four brought to you by the team behind. The entrepreneurs are collection is massive and growing global market valued at more than sixty billion dollars annually, but it can be a stuffy world as well where the auction houses have long done things their way. And while they adapt and innovate. There are also a number of upstart companies breathing new life into the world of art improving the experience for both buyers and sellers while making deals much more transparent. One of them is London. Consultancy Beaumont Nathan the firm was founded in twenty thirteen by two veterans of the art gallery world, Hugo Nathan and Wentworth Beaumont both worked for Christie's before moving to the Dickinson Roundell gallery in New York and both are experts in the old masters. Having helped to facilitate numerous high-profile acquisitions for some of the world's great museums. After a few years in business Hugo and Wendy brought Tom may on. Board. Now, the firm's director of operations with a career in growing small businesses at a management consultancy Thomas trained to understand value growth and market dynamics, adding analytical and commercial thinking to the extensive industry knowledge of his partners. Here's Tom now on disrupting the world of art dealing through entrepreneurial thinking and the story of Beaumont Nathan. Nathan is trying to become the first professionalized independent auto visory company in the world. And we'll that means is we're trying to give advice that is separate from the pitches that people who previously give you advice setting. So it would totally unconvicted. We don't own any pictures, which selling advice, unlike guitarist or an auction house here the people who typically provide advice in this marketplace. So which want to bring ideas from different industries into the world. And to disrupt it in whichever way we can. Joining the wealth. I was a management consultants. I trained in sort of commercial environments, and I was hired specifically the days to help plan the growth of the company help strategize and help a scale. But to do that I was bringing ideas from the professional services industry. And that's what we try to do with reporting on the level of jillions that we doing on these ultimate very very expensive auto sets. We can spending on Bohol Faulk lines several million dollars to forty fifty million dollars. These extraordinarily knowledge acquisitions than these professional advice like you would get buying a house oil company. And that's why we. O NC they are industry veterans. They knew something missing. From the way the market was operating. It's quite a sort of old fashioned oddity quite lazy industry that's been resting on his laurels sometime, and there's not really a huge amount of commercial expertise anywhere. Really? So I think they had a specific idea to complement what they knew about the history and the sort of the street dynamics of the market with some more intellectual analytical thinking, which they can find anywhere else in the industry. So they looked elsewhere. That's when they found me, and we kind of have been learning we've gone ready. But now we use data we use slightly more laid thinking than perhaps others to do in the marketplace and all clients like that. The dates to me was extremely Wellman odd being assessing regulated structured markets in my previous job, and then arrived day one in the Paik unregulated market the market, you can believe what I was seeing. This is fundamentally market that doesn't have any regulation. You can't trade on the nation. You find which was leading to some quite Showtime, practices and very bad outcomes. Full collectors who blonde setting. So my initial reaction was one of Schulkin and Hora than sort of surprised when I realized it was the standard, and it was legal which was prize. But then I guess I saw the opportunity, and it was really to build a slightly more long term thinking culture based around some slightly more longtime is principles and set a cells apart from the rest saying that about ethics at the heart of the market. But it's simply that when human nature is exposed to conditions where they can do what they like. Held to account for it. People tend to fish the margins, and that's what happens in multiple time. And because all such difficult. I said to comprehend in terms of its quality and its value people get away with imprecision that's kind of the the line that which on a treadmill, Kathy. On behalf lines and deliver value on. One finds dot traditional technological disruption has impacted the market as much as this moments. And so it's still kind of stuck in the in the dark ages at least at the very top end. Whether it has been a lot of disruption as being the lower end of the market, low value transactions happening online ocean houses, apps, though, Instagram, all the usual things, but beyond this point. It is still very interpersonal industry. So we've really found all disruption as being more one of principle and value in process than necessary technology. I think the blow Chiang question is of the big one. I think the potentials for that technology unknown as yet, but they're certainly potential application of blockchain in the question of providence with the market who's owned waltz piece of all before you d tracing back to the moment of creation. That's very powerful statement of authenticity. And if it can be applied in that environment than I think someone will make the technological disruption perhaps that we haven't had today in the Malkin. So that's something to keep an eye on. I think as a company who sees himself as progressive in a relatively regressive market. I think we as a an advisory family to be live to everything this available to us and to be early adopters as and when is the ten on ready and cannot value all role is to keep an eye on these things and bequeathed that when they when they can add to. We see this story simply matching customer demand with supply and two thousand is responsible for managing the clients on a day-to-day basis and for sourcing the material that second bid is harder than it sounds. There is a limit to the volume of high quality works most pieces out there and finding them in. What is very privates discrete? Well, this quite difficult. So they spent almost all that time in that stay on my slides same fully operational strategic role. But we find alongside starkly segment for the all works considering clients that they want to hear about questions valley. They want to understand questions around investments, and they want to know that when they put this money in a picture that it was going to go down in value that they know that before hands or if it's gonna go up they ended up to. And so over time applied my skills from the commercial arena into that kind of conversation. So spending increasing amounts of time. Owning that. Of the puzzle. We are at a an interesting stage of development where we developed a position in which is one of the two greats markets in the world as this moment. New York is the other one and Hong Kong is catching up very quickly. The rise of Asia is a big feature that's impacting the market right now. But so for us for am bishops company that wants to be the best that we can be. We've gotta move into those markets. So the next twelve months is an expansion, and hopefully we will be in New York this time next year and really in the home of the market amok is bigger faster better as most things are in New York, and we need to be there. So that's all plan. About the entrepeneurship journey. And I think a big part of that is looking back at what you're doing a month ago three months ago a year ago in sort of cringe with embarrassment at how simple things were and how added to it. But I think it's unrecognizable in terms of the quality of the advice. Not having anyone to copy has been a big challenge of the business. We got to learn it as we've gone and really learn what was applicable from the legal environment, accounting environment, the banking environment. These traditional professional service environments for what is high valley fundamentally different assets. So we've been learning a lot as we've gone we've discarded things we've added things and things much surer product now and hope you much more value out. But we were doing a lot of things at the beginning that we don't do now, and that's part of the business life cycle. Thanks for sharing the story of Beaumont Nathan the show was mixed and edited by Alex Felix, I'm Daniel beach. Thank you so much for listening and goodbye.
Iran says 19 sailors killed, 15 wounded in missile "accident" at sea
"A friendly fire. Missile Strike on rainy naval vessel has killed at least nineteen sailors and wounded fifteen others in the Gulf of Oman. During a training exercise in the Gulf Beaumont in Iranian missile that was fired struck a support vessel. Nearest target state television described the missile strike as an accident. The friendly fire incident on Sunday comes amid heightened tensions between Tehran and the US.
January 26, 2020: Beaumont Children Disappear
"Today is Sunday January twenty sixth twenty twenty on this day in nineteen sixty six WCHS. Three children from a suburb of Adelaide. Australia went missing sparking the largest person. Search the country had ever I welcome today and true crime apart cast original today today. We're covering the disappearance of the Beaumont children from Glen L. Beach in Australia. Let's go back to the morning of January twenty sixth nineteen sixty sixty six to a small house outside of Adelaide Australia. The son cascaded down on the small suburb of Somerton Park. Where the three Beaumont? Children played outside nine year old. Jane seven-year-old Arna and four-year-old grant it was already brutally hot. Only a quarter past eight in the morning and the temperature was already creeping up past one hundred degrees Fahrenheit. The children's father. Jim was out of town on a business trip but he would be back later in the day their mother Nancy was hard at work preparing for the annual Australia Day festivities. The children were having fun playing outside but as the sun slowly crept higher in the sky. The temperature kept rising and they grew desperately hot. The three yeah them ran inside to talk to their mom. They wanted to go somewhere to cool off so they begged her for money to take a local bus to the beach. Two kilometers. There's away it was something they had done countless times. Nancy was a loving mother and always wanted the best for her children. She thought that it was good for them to get outside and spend time with one another. She dug through her purse and handed them each enough change to take the bus to and back back from the beach. She also gave Jane a little extra change just in case they wanted to buy themselves a few treats she only had one request quest for them. They had to be home by noon. The three children agreed and Jane pocketed the coins. Nancy watched as Jane lead the others out of the House with grant on her hip. She saw them as they walked down the street toward the bus stop. The three children boarded the bus for the five minute trip to Glenn Al Beach it was only two kilometers away but the children felt the vast s of the world. They loved the freedom and they loved spending time with one another when they arrived at the beach. It was busy the heat and the national holiday had brought everyone out to enjoy the water. The kids were looking forward to getting to spend some time splashing rushing around in the cool crystal Blue Ocean. The three children stepped off of the bus and walked through a vast sea of people on on their way to the beach. Each one of them a stranger. They made their way down to the water where they began to play. Jane made sure that grant wouldn't go into deep. She had to be responsible. Her mom depended on her to look after her younger siblings. They were having the time of their in life completely unaware that someone was watching them. Nancy was in the kitchen when she checked the clock on the wall. It was a quarter past noon and her children still weren't home. They were usually really punctual. Jane was responsible enough to get them home when they needed to be. Maybe they had missed the bus at noon and waited until the next one left at two because it was too hot to walk but to came and went. Nancy grew nervous her husband. Jim arrived home at three to find Nancy distraught. He assured her that everything would be okay and left to look for their kids at the beach while she stayed at home. Willing them to walk through the front door. She would be furious that they were late but relieved that they were in her arms. Jim Parked his car at the crowded beach and began his search. He made his way down to the water but didn't spot as children amongst the countless people spread out on the sand enjoying the ocean breeze. He spent two hours walking up and down the beach and surrounding streets but couldn't find his Jane Arna or grant among the vast crowd of people. He went home in hopes that his kids had returned on their own however when when he pulled up the driveway his heart sank. His wife was waiting for him and there was still no sign of their children. She she got in the car and they headed to the authorities for help. They arrived at the police station a little before six. Still wondering where their kids were her. They seemingly had vanished up next will follow the desperate search to find the three siblings news and the impact that it had on Australian society now back to the story on January twenty sixth nineteen sixty six six. Three siblings went out to spend a morning at the beach and never returned their parents. Nancy and Jim Beaumont went to the police station in mere hours after their disappearance. The search for Jane Arna and grant Beaumont began in earnest. The police combed the beach. Each and people began canvassing the surrounding neighborhoods looking for any signs that the children had wandered over there. It was initially thought that they had just wandered often were lost but as time passed authorities became concerned their disappearance could be the result of something sinister three days after the children went missing. A woman said she had seen the children walking past the local boat haven. The day they went missing sing coal-lease drained it and rows of military cadets waded through the deep mud looking for any signs of the children but they found nothing everyone in the town was invested in finding the three children alive however as the hours stretched in two days and the days days turned into weeks. The children remained missing with each passing day. The dread grew and the local media became fixated on the Beaumont case nearly every day an update was given but it always ended the same way they were still missing. The public began to realize that the worst head likely happened to the children. No one could quite believe that they had gone missing in in such a quiet safe community. Parents around Australia grew more protective over their young ones and didn't let them go outside on their own. If it could happen to the Beaumont's it could happen to their kids as well. The investigation seemed to reach a new stage when police talked to a few of the shopowners owners down at the beach. They had seen the children the day of the disappearance. They recognize them because they frequently went to the beach and stopped by one shop owner. who had sold the children? A Meat Pie noticed that they were spending time with a man they hadn't seen before the man had sandy hair her and look to fit in with the beechy crowd. He was tanned fit and wearing swim trunks. He was their prime suspect and and police quickly had a sketch drawn to release to the public. However even after countless leads were exhausted he still remained? Elusive live months past and the media. Attention never wavered. It reached such a frenzy that a world renowned psychic arrived to locate the children. He was predictably unsuccessful but not before he had raised the hopes of the Beaumont parents months turn two years and the Beaumont children remained missing yet. Nancy and Jim never quite gave up hope that their children would return to them. One day they lived in the same house for years after the disappearance. Because Nancy couldn't think of anything worse than her children coming back to an empty house she passed away in September of two thousand nineteen at the age of ninety two still waiting for her children. The disappearance of the Beaumont children remains one of the most famous missing persons cases in Australia. Yeah every few years the media conduct its own investigation and digs up new suspects. The police might get involved in oblige the public doc but ultimately nothing ever comes of it to this day the case is still open and the Australian authorities say that they will continue. Can you their search for Jane Arraf and grant there is a million dollar reward for anyone who can provide information that will solve the case. Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime I'm Vanessa. Richardson for more stories. He's like this checkout parkhouse. Original gone today in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music with spotify making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast are cast originals like today and true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today true crime on spotify. Just open the APP and type EAP today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today and true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Kotler sound design by Andy Weights with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Carly Madden. This episode of today and true crime was written by Robert Tyler Walker with writing assistance spy abigail cannon. I'm Vanessa Richardson.
Searching for the Beaumont Children with Stuart Mullins
"<music> hello and welcome to the august two thousand nineteen stolman of from the files wiles the companion podcast case fall through krahn this month where joined by special guests stuart mullins australian researcher who has been investigating the in nineteen sixty six disappearance of the beaumont children for over a decade stewart felt a personal connection to the case having grown up in the south australian suburb suburb of glen l. Get the same time that jane honor and grint beaumont went missing. He has since worked along saw true crime author allen waco to publish several bestselling books on the notorious case following a credible tip-off stewart with the expert assistance of poverty investigative bill hayes uncovered a new the person of interest they firmly believe was responsible for the crime stewart speaks with us about his involvement in the case and how australia's most enduring mystery st may be solved not before our interview which jewett here at the latest case updates for this month the first installment monosso from the files baited an update on episode three laura bobble and actually freeman the sixteen year olds were abducted during a home invasion at the freemen's oklahoma oklahoma house on december twenty nine nineteen ninety nine during which both of ashley's parents were murdered and the property was set a lot lower and ashley they were never found and the investigation stalled for almost two decades until april two thousand eighteen when sixty-six-year-old runny jiang's busey was was arrested and charged with all cans of first degree murder two other men but deceased were also identified as suspects in late july two thousand nineteen it was announced that investigators would be commencing a new search for laura industrials remains in the abandoned oklahoma mining town of pizza feature near the former residence of deceased suspect warren philip welsh authorities believed the teenagers were held captive welches. My ball hunt hunt for several days before they murder multiple witnesses have told authorities that the three men disposed of the buddies the by throwing them into a launch off or cella sela that was later filled with concrete over the years mowing chaffetz impeach have collapsed and filled with water creating ponds that measure up to one hundred feet wide and twenty five fate day on july thirty ground penetrating radar adoph tame and an underwater drone will use to search search the ponds but nothing of significance was recovered. Laura's mother said that while she was grateful for the efforts it is difficult not to get her hopes up with a new surge telling reporters you will always want to fall on something you want today to be the day that that pod ends so walk in go wow on to the next but i also now it's just part of the process episode though attain of case fall focused on the family really cool mode is a series of shootings and bombings that took place in sydney between nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety-five judges and other individuals associated associated with the family court of australia targeted resulting in the deaths of stephen blanche odd david oprah's pull watson and graham walks on on july twenty nine two thousand fifteen brother in law of the first victim and longtime person of interest sixty eight year old leonard john warwick was charged with full cans of murder one of attempted murder and wounding maiming with an explosive substance warwick's trawl beginning may two thousand eighteen eighteen but has since experienced a number of setbacks and ongoing delays in february two thousand nineteen had emerged that warrick was destitute and the no longer able to afford his current legal representation leading to justice paid golly granting legal aid in june two thousand nine taint the legal aid representatives withdrew from the case after warrick claimed they had bullied in he described his three public defenders as a joke and claimed they were in a rush to finish his trial said i could quote get back out to the money he's illegal. Funding was therefore terminated <music> in august two thousand nineteen works original solicitor. Alan cohen begin representing warwick again on a temporary basis. Hey applaud i i i of the trial until warwick can afford legal representation and requested. He's client undergo psychological examination to determine his capacity to instruct it lawyers on august twelve justice. Elizabeth fullerton rejected the bid for an examination. This application was also rejected it did and works trolleys ju to recommence this month in episode thirty seven of case fall we covered the crimes of a serial killer paid a suck cliff also known as the yorkshire ripper he murdered thirteen women throughout northern england between nineteen seventy five and nineteen eighty sutcliffe was convicted in nineteen ninety-one then sentenced to twenty concurrent life sentences after justice leslie boreham rejected he's play of diminished east responsibility due to mental illness in july two thousand nineteen the sun and the daily star reported in the u._k. That suckley has requested british journalist and television personality peas morgan make a documentary about his case to examine. He's mental illness. Suckley was reportedly reportedly inspired after watching morgan's documentary sokha path in which he interviews convicted child killer paris bennett who noted he's full year old sister when he was zyppah thirteen sutcliffe told a fellow inmate at franklin prison that he believes morgan would quote examine all the faults with more trial until the judge ivor ruled all the doctors which was wrong able dine realize it was a mental illness but i went to full trial in the second episode of from the files we detailed renewed search efforts to find the body of twenty five year old british real estate agent suzy lamp. Lou who <unk> disappeared after a province showing a house covered in episode forty eight of case fall in july two thousand nineteen fullness scotland yard detective david david david set who has spent threes investigating suzy's case published a post on his website accusing london's metropolitan police of ignoring new evidence that he has uncovered vid set claims the police have been too focused on that prime suspect convicted rapist and murderer john cannon uh when he believes their investigation has been flawed from the outset july twenty eight two thousand nineteen mocked thirty three years since suzy's lucy's disappearance days after the anniversary vid set posted a tweet stating he has provided police with evidence highlighting a new suspect who is quote alive and at lodge in response the london metropolitan police released a statement that read the case remains open ended the met remained committed to bringing suzy's killer to justice. We will continue to assess any new information that comes in anyone anyone with information that could assist the investigation is asked to call zero two zero seven two three zero four two nine four episode fifty six case fall covered the nineteen ninety-six murder of twenty six year old nurse and nate a koby who was abducted adopted by a group of five men as she will time from the black town railway station in sydney after dinner out with friends bull faulk perpetrators john travis arkell murdoch and brothers markle gary and delays murphy was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole in june two dasm nineteen gary murphy nail aged sixty one was attacked in prison shell of block by a group of two white other inmates god's fanned menefee in a critical condition and he was rushed a saint vincent's hospital where he underwent treatment for head injuries. He was later transferred to prince of wales hospital in sydney's. He's in a sale where he stayed for a month. Before returning to prison. Murphy has insisted he's injuries caused by slipping in the show in response to the news and natives husband. John coby told reporters from the daily telegraph that he would block to buy a bottle of champagne for those responsible for the attack. I'm not one to celebrate people being hurt but in this case or hope they broke a lot of bones later emerged that john coby had actually been receiving treatment for a chest infection at the same hospital tom he only learned of murphy's presence there opt. He's release telling the daily telegraph. It was just as well. I didn't know or a would have tried to do something while i have dreamt for years and and still do about killing them. It never goes away. The next update relates to episode fifty eight of case fall shannon matthews in february two thousand night the nine year old was kidnapped and held captive for twenty four days as part of a money-making scam concocted by her mother karen matthews and karen's boyfriend's uncle markle donovan the plan was donovan to pretend he had found shannon and and then split the fifty thousand pound missing person reward with karen often shannon was discovered a law of dwell by police shea and seek siblings were sent went to live with foster families. Matthews and donovan was sentenced to using prison but matthews was released in two thousand twelve bafta serving just hoffer. I sentence in late july two thousand nineteen. The sun newspaper reported that matthews who now resides in the south east of england wants to wrote letters to each of her children asking forgiveness a source told the paper she just wishes she could turn back the clock and be home with her kids. Several days light on the mirror reported that matthews told friends that her mother june was responsible for the kidnapping plot claiming being her father had implicated her on his deathbed june. Matthew strongly denied these allegations telling the mira karen was at her dad's funeral but she didn't even see him before he thought so he couldn't have said that to her. She never saw him before he passed away. Episode sixty five case fall covered the case of brisbane mother of three allison bayden klay murdered in two thousand twelve by her husband in two thousand fourteen. The ellison bayden klay foundation was established to fund education and awareness of domestic and family violence throughout australia. It also introduced strive to be conned day. An annual event held on the lost the fraud i of july this year the brisbane city council demonstrated demonstrated this of course by lauding victoria and story bridges in yellow allison's fiber cola local schools and businesses also wore yellow and in two hundred and fifty people attended the straw to be callin to lunch to raise funds for an education and intervention program alison's sister vanessa faleh told australian you saw ten daily that their family's personal tragedy has helped plies domestic violence onto the spotlight quite women women door every week and we don't hear about it but because allison's case was such a hawk profile one even the trawl was big. We felt it was necessary to use used publicity as leverage vanessa said she wished she had known more about domestic violence prior to allison's debt and encouraged people able to learn to recognize the sohn's of an abusive relationship. There has been another conviction in the case of dark web marketplace as the silk road covered in episode seventy six of case fall in november two thousand eighteen thirty one year old irish national gary davis who worked does an administrator for silk road and so cried two point. Oh under the alias libya's pleaded guilty to not conspiracy on july twenty six two thousand nine hundred eighteen. He was sentenced to six into hafeez imprison manhattan u._s. Attorney jeffrey berman commented davis's arrest extradition from ireland conviction and prison sentence should send an unmistakable message. The dark web does not cast shadows shadow long enough to protect criminals from the long arm of the law silkroad. Fanta rossall britt is currently serving a double life sentence kloss bowed years without the possibility of corral the drug trafficking and money laundering on august twelve two thousand nineteen. It was reported reported albrecht troy. The heavies loft sentence vacated on account of his previous lawyer is filing to advise him to take a plea deal that might have resulted in a law to sentence. Judge lewis go filled dismissed. The application has all bricks. Bulma lawyers had not filed paperwork formally withdrawing from the case she is given ulbricht until september seeks two thousand nineteen to rainfall. He's request in the second installment of from from the falls. We provided an update on episode i._d. Fav case fall the two thousand sixteen disappearance of eighteen year old. Tom brown need two years. He's light up in january. Two thousand nineteen tomes remains were discovered in his hometown of canadian texas. The circumstances surrounding tom's death were not disclosed but the case shifted into a homicide investigation on august twenty one two thousand nineteen the office of the attorney general of texas assists released a statement and nuancing that the investigation had been suspended and that there is quote no viable evidence that would delayed a reasonable double person to conclude that foul play led to the death of thomas kelly brown. The statement explained that the office of the attorney general the f._b._i. We are and the texas rangers all grade with the findings and had braved the thirty first district attorney's office together it concluded by noting that investigators had exhausted all available resources and spent thousands of hours on the case which would remain suspended pending the discovery of new evidence when reporters from news channel ten contacted. Tom's mother penny make for a response. She explained that she needed tom to process the development allman klein investigations the private firm retained by tom's family to investigate the case released a press statement on their facebook page explaining that the attorney general's office had suspended the case is they had been unable to determine whether tom had died by suicide or homicide cloyne investigations investigations confirmed they will continue to investigate tom's death quart. We believe that the case is solvable and pledge to the citizens of pill county and dole of north texas that we will work diligently to solve this case in the first edition of from the falls. We provided an update relating to episode eighty-seven of case fall elaine o'hara thirty six year old child care worker was murdered in dublin in two thousand john twelve by graham doi- a man with whom she'd had bay d._s._m. Relationship in two thousand fifteen dwyer was found guilty and sentenced. It's too long in prison. He has since been appealing his conviction on the grounds that oil and data retention laws regarding information generated by mobile phones words contravenes the european 'data retention directive as such he argues that authorities should not have been able to use metadata collected from his worked furnace evidence in light two thousand nineteen justice. Tonio cornell ruled in twice five. This ruling doesn't main wise conviction will be overturned or he will be released. It's just something he can use. As part of his overall appeal to be acquitted on july thirty the two thousand nineteen it was announced that the state will be appealing this ruling during a supreme court hearing to be held this coming december with dwyer's overrule appeal you on pause pending the outcome in addition to being an important ruling in this case the state says the outcome of the hearing will have major implications nations for the investigations of other crimes. That's it for the news updates this month at snail tom to delve deeper into the case of the missing beaumont children with stewart mollins. If you haven't already we recommend you listen to episode one hundred of case fall to familiarize yourself with the investigation but for those who have already listened. He's a quick recap. On the morning of january twenty six nineteen sixty six nine year old jane jane seven-year-old ana and four year old grand barmen left their home in the city sought suburb of summits impact in south australia to visit nearby glen elk bauge h but failed to return home on the midday. Bah says instructed what followed was one of the largest searches in south australian history witnesses placed the children call reserve in gano speaking to a toll thin man with blond hair with whom they appeared to be familiar would light as saying in wednesday's bakery purchasing large order food using a one pound note an exorbitant amount of money at the time that exceeded the pocket change their their mother had given them after that the beaumont children vanished without a trace and although several persons of interest have been identified over the years no arrests have ever been made in two thousand six true crime author allan weak- and queensland based research a stuart what mullins published a book mocking the fifty year anniversary of the disappearance todd searching for the beaumont children australia's most famous unsolved mystery you it prompted a woman to implicate her former father in law in the crown deceased millionaire businessman harry phibbs who lived just maters from cali holy reserve he bore a resemblance to the sketch of the suspect and was known to liberally handout one pan denotes phipps son when haydn described his father incestuous pedophile and reported citing jane honor and grant in the backyard of his family's home on january twenty six. It's not in sixty six. Hayden laid a sore his father loading oversize bags into the boot of his car. When he visited phipps widow oh many years later stuart mullins seora purse matching one own by jane beaumont in a dance days baseman area when police visited the property to seize as the autumn the widow claimed to have discarded it allen stewart's findings into harry phillips published in two thousand thirteen book the satin oh man named after the accused sexual fetish for the fabric in nineteen sixty six v signed the castaway factory in clinton. Can two men have since come fullwood reporting having been paid by phipps to dig a hall resembling a grave at the factory days after the children went missing. Oh i pry fall excavation was conducted on the property in two thousand eighteen but resulted in no k discoveries from his investigations gatien's stuart mullins believes the excavation was carried out in the wrong spot and remains convinced that the children buried there. 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Go now and be sure you go to simplisafe dot com slash balls so they know al show sent you. That's simplisave dot com slash files so we did our research. We sell the strategy in the light of the land because you are going. We spike to count detectives ex detectives and we compile all the information. I'm put it together in book form and when you put a book together is that obviously people by did sell well became a bestseller uh and a lot of people code and this is what the police get and i still get. There was a lot of conspiracy theorists. <hes> walk if this happened what if if that happened i think my uncle had something to do with it but they couldn't back it up. None of them quebec it up and we got quite tired of it so you can imagine what the place a lot and night constantly get. This and i have to follow this up. I just can't dismiss that one. Lady nine is angela thoughts in the certainly a book she wasn't nine. She is now past. She code alan and said that i think my father-in-law might have something to do with this. Because the purse of the husband i was married to and i'm not me before. I know he was sexually abused. We believe or allegedly by the father which was harry phipps that he did hang out pound nuts. She read the book. The man of the beach <music> tainted giant by a pound. Now that was a pivotal pace commissioning nodding sixty six and it has been ever since to handle a pound nut tour charge highly pound night was huge amount of money annoying sixty six or no i was i use all the tone if always sore pound though that was a while fat so you can imagine jain getting pound doesn't matter how mature she is. It's a wow factor. Now you had had her undivided attention. You have the children's undivided attention who was wealthy enough to do that. She put one together and cold allen witty cup. They did fit the description he didn't live too far from cali reserved and he handled the pound notes and she believes who some was sexually abused abused boy to get just that by six. You have an alleged pedophile that fits the description that hands out pound knocks. The pound not was the clincher alan cohen said you're sitting down you believe up. Listen to this. It said shouted spawn. I needed gallon see her. I needed to do some reference checks on equipped scored. She wasn't crazy person. I'd spike to on the phone. I went to see and as coincidence that she needed about twenty kilometers up the road from where eilly from cooling gathering queensland. I met her around about two hours or recorded the interview. I found a <hes> very reliable and trustworthy. I referenced chicks. She was quite happy for me to do that. She worked in the <hes> correctional services facilities. He's in queensland. She was a clinical nurse and she don't love me hall with sexual predators and people that had suffered prison they might so that suffered it from sexual abuse. It's a high percentage of tons that a person that is being sexually abused as a child quite a few of them end up in prison on on drug abuse prescription medicine and kraan so she knew their attributes and personalities to do with child sexual abuse so i spoke to the hanes to correctional facilities that she was at absolutely exemplary. Sorry you make comments regarding this slightly abuse. I got it in written reference schick. She'll be in the next book and they are glowing. Uh she's honest reliable trustworthy intelligent. I went from there. She gave me nines. I needed to talk to so who ex husband. I tried to talk to him. He never got back to me. I found out that the husband had a son. I finally got not to speak to him. He said dad now that you've been trying to coach. You know he was sexually abused and so the some believed that hey introduce me to hide because we sexually abused people of course a high percentage of them do not like talking about sexual abuse. We are talking about a right of a child sodomization of child. When we say sexual abuse we painted i for it sounds nicer than saying i child. I nine ten years old well. He's right by an adult that has now go to different connotation. That's what happened to him. From tree to the i twelve he was allegedly raped and sorta lines bought his own father yearly house morning she she can wonder why he doesn't want to talk to me or anybody else about uh uh i eventually did get to meet him. I mean because of an introduction apiece sun though is based on holiday for the right reasons i made him you walked away from that as he was honest reliable and telling the truth what he talked about was he's father he had setina setina penchant for dressing up in san which is now corroborated that he would come into a usa bedroom early as morning and sixty abusing either many the ease talked about that used to hang out pound nights. He was very very wealthy. Person that is true and correct that he did fit description of the main same playing beach with children that is true incorrect because that has been corroborated by many people that were to the harris's erases constantly factory so these things were starting to build and it was there but we really have something i believe leave as many others believed perpetrated could not have leapt from colleague reserve satistics now well what site where the president's mates the child and where the predator leagues hard to sink egypt is within. I columbia aware. I mike the child in the first place. These casey's no different because the police sit at that time has ever seen having a vehicle or transporting vehicle. It's highly unlikely that leaves one outcome. The person listened must've lived within a close radius of color reserve considering. You've got the beach on one side. We can rule that out so let store a half circle of roughly kilometer or less and we now list nabokov tom factor he must have lived in that area. We didn't know that a sixty six what haydn told me with startling key guide me nines and i folk destroy. I wanted to see that. I could back up what he was sign. I spoke to ex people at the harry phibbs castaways factory you like the cousins despite to in moore's all of them knew about the sexual fantasies or sam fantasy they had inklings that haydn phipps six we abused as a child and harring tips on the outside was a wealthy well well respected connect businessman but on he had a dockside. He's an alleged hit a foil and oldest research and i had to backing up uncorroborated was i sent it to the place place that thanh as mentioned previously we save simony. Kohl's regarding this war saga than anybody else may have to follow so you gotta have something substantial substantial. We believe we did however texas. I was dealing with. I was not happy he city followed up on a few things they did not and it was that time that i decided to hire a private investigator also going back to the detective. This is thought he would ma- hide or try to make hide and angel at the first two points of coal to see if my are reliable reliable and trustworthy honest he did not do that now. Maybe he has his reasons. Maybe the budget says no. You can't go to queensland slane to make these two. We've got budget constraints fair enough. Maybe has a whole lot of other work to be done and because he received seventy coz like that multiple back then which ever was i wasn't happy with it. I continued with. I hired a private investigator that was twelve vs as a detective in the police force two years of that. He was in my jacome by reference. Check him through past detectives current detectives and people in the business community who is the best tried investigator in seattle straight nine. Bill highs came up all all the time. He doesn't suffer fools easily. He get strike to the point. I visited him. He wanted to see what i had the dossier. He asked if it was all corroborated. I've say yes any though eyebrows raised 'cause. He's heard about this before. He said i'll take it away for a few weeks doll rate. He was going on holidays an east hit. I'll tell you if i think this has lakes and he called me during these holidays is and he said might when we get back i need to see you. This is the best of ever come across from their hiring. A private investigator vista guida symbolizing it might have put the other detectives within sight paul off mighty how dare you you know i might have looked me skype. You want a guy down this pound. You're not getting any help from us. We'll i wasn't getting any help from in the first place however they have have been raisins and on quite sure abella reasons the ohi interviewed angela that was the point of coal a guy and he had to meet her. He had some eight haydn he interview tied and it's been recorded statement analysis x. cooks listen to it from holland and also from australia mc heightened fits. He's definitely telling the truth the bad he's sexual abuse and seeing the children in his backyard that die and quite a few other things did happen so from the fuel went on and continued to interview and continue in utah uncover. We put the dossier together a guy we take up a meeting with niger crime by we're going mm to reopen it and look at harry phipps but a gyn. We don't think i did kara job so because of that and we weren't happy with him again and we just felt that they didn't quite believe us for whatever reason so we took this further. We went to the police minister minister. We went to the premier of south australia. We went through a federal member of politics in canberra and the news media we went through today to not on current affairs and i were fantastic and have been epic scenes dyke see what we saw. Also we got a meeting would be exit of might. Did you crime now. Retired can highly respected. We sat down with him. He'd read the doc- i he said to us. These these the advanced thing i've ever seen regarding beaumont types. I think you're onto something he gave me a background of the place and how they work doc basically explaining really. They have a lot of work on saw. It's for us to keep pushing all sides muslim matters who was the loss reminding detective law to die that mic mr by malt died when he came into the playstation gloag to report. He's childr- dreux missing. He said to me. This is the best offer ever seen in the last forty to fifty s regarding the by march case ace. I think you're onto it. He said to me at that time and i still in contact with boston is that albaladejo was al believe back then i and has been ever since the shooter highly. Luckily did not get in the car. Must personal belief is the perpetrator must be a very reclosed proximity to kelly resute. Harry fits needs in one hundred ninety maters of direct saw colleague reserves and he fits the description any hands out a pound months and he's alleged pedophile and he's got a sexual fetish. You just put that together crews place. Whose door would you be knocking on. Must madden said the same thing. If i knew sixty six would obtained hanging down his door. I said mustard no you would not have if you tried that you would have been demoted to copper for on the bait heist forth. That's not how south australia were designing sixty six and you're accusing a well standing businessman in the community. It's it's like pointing a finger. At the clergy nineteen sixty six you didn't have a hulk in hill and neither did heightened phipps if he talked about his abuse nodding sixty six in my got put into a psychiatric time these people these well heeled people weren't capable of such a heinous car with not capable of sexual abuse inside. That's what they will say well. He would have been looked at nodding sixty six now. He wouldn have jimmy. Savile wasn't looked at ralph harrison. Look that robert hughes from high dad. He was sexually abusing that shaw on the best view show in australia in the nineteen eighties and hey wasn't looked at these sorts of pay didn't do it harold phipps therefore would not we'll have been that haydn phipps was on a hiding to nothing we took this further until the media dot involved heavily and including radio jocks and federal members and things started to really hate and i started to look at harry phipps in much more detail. Oh so that's where we are. We sat in men what we uncovered. Everything in that book has been corroborated. It's not make believe it's not making up stories stories. It's not we spoke thinking it is true and correct it has to be because the sentence man harry phibbs has now been elevated to a person of interest by majorcan and their east is what does that mean i spiked current detectives in south struggle and i've spoken to next to take to being a curse that interest means bid got substantial amount of circumstantial evidence that could possibly link him to the disappearance of the by much shooting in fact harry is more circumstantial evidence linking him than the other five suspects combined. He's got i have a twelve and it seemed the next book who took the by one shooter perfectly out for twelve. You talked any detective and i've spoken to quite the few if you are looking to better investigation hammy piece circumstantial evidence. Would you need to really raise your eyebrows all but non said anything above three you would really get off this us again with herring phipps. There's twelve corroborated pieces awesome circumstantial evidence that is in itself a real. I us a nice paper. The twelve paces of circumstantial related to either twelve are very important to this case these pieces of circumstantial evidence really you put together eta and again. I'll reiterate occurs could not have leapt fast from cali reserved. We go back to what happened. Kelly reserved that die and my clues. The thing missed for over four to five bic lights they there. We just really didn't realize that the right in front of us all this time and we sort of go wow you'll correct. Let's have a look at the children guided they signed spot and lighted house out on colley reserve guy for dick cl- know h this is unusual resute. They right now a very well. I knew everybody in cali. Zoo was fantastic close. The sprinklers you running out sprinkling. It was beautiful and the see the ocean <unk>. Note is dead flat. It's in a gulf side. There is not a surfing beach canoga brightman sekli anoc surfing beaches. It's so it's very sipho children. They run in out in the spring was gonna be a town. The when i come back there is a main overeat lying eh and he's looking at and that was very knowledgeable by witnesses now. He was already there. When the children had put towels house down he was looking at when the children kind back from london sprinklers they walk david beige. I one that's not an easy for battle dinu. He shootin would not walk either to a guy a man they highly new and strike dry cup of compensation by jumping either. He now a laughing with our flicking him with house. Dogs street shooter knew this man could have being a regular gee whiz eight obviously but into color reserved previously any new these people as john's best friend her chapter will be a new book took the children. She's talking about giant was a very intelligent individual and mother ham and for her to go either david the person with the two others she said giant would've had to have known her so they are the him and stop gyn climbing onto the sprinklers at bet time he walks over to a couple sitting on the bench very close to where they were he said to them. Somebody's somebody's taking out money. Lighter a short online at he said do another couple at money's being seiken. This is very interesting. Jain came to the beach with some towns. She had an airline tight bag with her by age. Who's in so i bag in saw that their lawn taught bag question helen the hell batman man dog giant by on had any money the conclusion tonto is that why applying under the sprinklers thankless he'd gone aiba oregon to her bag and taking that money out why because we neither money die announced l. beholden to him. This is bain plane. This is what practices do this is. What credit foz do it's premeditated a knew what he was going to do and he was setting up nicely. He'd who's guiding trust now that means they haven't gotten any money but the other the thing is he doesn't have any money. Yes he does people assigned because giant by trump was given a pound note. A collie reserved no. She wasn't yes she was yes. She wants given a pound but she wasn't given a collie reserve. How could she then mommy. He had been tightened dot giant. He said our money's being taken. He doesn't have anybody what does he got a color zoo to. He's got a shirt he's got he's trails and he's gonna tell he does not have a carry bag if he was from out of town highly likely have a carry bag also wasn't spotted khakis and a woollen. If he had a wallet he had money then is not a problem out. Money has been taken some of them. Money's being taken all right. The pickpocket goes and takes john's money. Why didn't he take the main swallow. It must have had more money and why wasn't a pickpocket spas. Why because it wasn't a pickpocket hey had worked at a time to take. The kid got to hit bag. Nobody was none the wiser now at a spot the countback from under the sprinklers all jain jain on a grant at money's being tighten our money's being site can what's giant gonna do. She's giving money by her parents. Boy at mother. Take the bus to and from and also to get lunch to name t. bimonthly giant ana and cross. She's she's worried. It's a stinking hot day. Grant doesn't have a t-shirt and therefore walking hyme is a non not in other words a hundred hundred degrees fahrenheit or roughly forty two degrees celsius. It is an absolute scorcher so they're not going to be walking high these kind man eh can get some money following night. What do you think the children followed this name in the exact act opposite direction to the bus stop and windows by kary jedi road in exactly the opposite direction some media channel still have the children walking directly to the bike <unk> to buy posses pause inside for that is not correct quick follow him roughly about nineteen eighties north to weigh the challenge. If you look at an aerial view to be in the new book an the aerial view of <unk> managning sixties you can see exactly where they have for their white to the may die eight white for him. He's gotten and main bag. We're not seeing walking back along kelly reserved to the biker. Now there's a time factor that he and this is another thing could hasn't been realized previously they plan with amanda night. Believe colleague reserved around. They end up wins always bakery around twelve twenty twelve thirty at the latest now. If there was a car involved i would have got into the car. That means person comes from allentown. Glendale was packed that dyke leno was always pat on a holiday was a school holiday was a scorching effect wanes in summer. If you have a look at photos of kali reserved you can on the website and you do book is packed. I non hose down the base down. Thousands of screaming keeps running around color reserved. If they got into a car he would drive out of town out of the area and also the traffic was heavy yelling at a pound then. Why in the heck would you end up back at wins. There is plenty of bakeries in south australia. I think it's is a bakery. Capital of strata is you'd guy to alike one so i think you i eat doesn't he comes back to cali resolvable back back to leno did shitty right. He has two packs so dan full time fact that blows out he could not have done that within twenty to twenty five minutes so it means the person must have lived very close bought and this is where the time factor works perfectly if you walk from where the children applying to china shakes and a very slight pice which i have done a grant beaumont pice a four year old price and you white white i waited for roughly about three four minutes then i walk directly to a harry fits lips and you look from cali reserved straight up gusta street and you can see he's house on the corner and a big church in the middle again in aerial view show you that i walked there. I y to the guy because this is way giant clicks and money and then i'll walk directly down wins news team hundred meters. He took may seventeen minutes walking at a very slow pace and lighting seventeen minutes. It's a perfect fit win jain on grant inda at wins news bakery. Also what didn't i have a wins biker. John did not have along taught bang and she did not we'll have details guy will lift someway side. I returning and because james and honest and reliable and mature shula individual. She's got chines for a pound note. She's an extra pie. She bought five past one pie two large bottles of fizzy drink and six finger bones that is surely enough for three keys or or even nancy that is for fallen for six people. She is honest enough. She returns to the phillips house allegedly allegedly and of course that was the last time i was saying i was saying it winds was bakery but from there they were not again sing getting talk and these guys hand-in-hand hide the phipps was interviewed by myself and mr bill hives <hes>. I sold the children coming to my backyard around much talk now hell. That's a lucky guess i couldn't see any other taunt but you sit around lunch and that fits perfectly saw the clues that obeying we the scribes fifty years but we haven't dissect it the number one bary's. I have asked current. Detectives retied detectives awesome awesome media personalities that are very involved in this case waiting. Jain received pound not from the man. All of the sick colleague reserve an effect. If you ask most people that is science that is not true she did not receive. We see the pound nutty color visit that opens up a pandora's box. Where in the heck did she receive in such a short period of time. Aw there is really only one alternative. The individual must have beeped very close to kelly reserve and we geographic profiling that we have to diet f- fingertips which we didn't have sixty six you start using this geographic profiling calling a neutral half circle and then you narrow down who fix description whose mile who fits the description who fits the i tried phase three barrels damn who hands out pound notes on regular occasion that really narrows it down. You really ought to get eh one or two miles. Stuart then went over in more detail. What heightened fibs alleged. Hey sore on the day. The beaumont children disappeared. They walked in the back of the house would just true harry. Phibbs house is on the corner of sussex and augusta straight. It's a huge chanson pool hind said he was at the back and he was smoking a few dollars dowries cigarettes today standings but everybody smoked it was nice such as my calming unhealthy daunting sixties and he said bay street children coming aiming to backyard he said i looked at bit lost he asked him what are they doing here. A nice at all we're looking for bus. Stop and in a hurry and i walked in through the back door that screen was open and city never sold them again having heavy night out with the children he should firstly all their head cops really design and if you have a lucrative fido up you can see the behavior is actually nearly identical but he did not know what i would doing me now. Let's tighten analysis excludes. They would say that comes across triple because if somebody's lying china might might or embellished the story in this case eight widely mallard though didn't think not children are bosque. I see what happened to the children. You said i don not i su- dad lighting up the back of the cow with three to four surf taught blind bags putting the back of the car and drive off that's glass but see d do not put one and one together over the years or even month off to its and he hit nine surely because he said well obviously something happened to the caves but he said to your father would be involved. He said you know you you. We really stretching it here and he sort of moved onto another subject now. This is where it gets interesting. Because where did he get that stipe type analysis experts from overseas and also studied said he's hiding something. He's not telling the whole truth right them. Mm sit and on the newly authentic comments. He's signing signed much and then he hides. He's telling the truth to point then he clams up shopping happen something eisold that he's not telling us about when i'll be haydn end bill highs again i he will only go to a certain point and then he stops and that's when steve akron strive is leading lie detection expert stated it. There is definitely something bad. He is telling the truth about these abuses telling the truth about the sentence. He's telling the truth about the pound not only something that happened to you you that he does not want to talk about a tool so that's where we have to weed heightened the edge pasta by the way and he passed away back to you yeah then asked stewart about the allegations of sexual abuse made against harry phillips in the years after the beaumont children disappeared what was van we channel seven getting involved and this is blowing up and why the place in the outback bowl is other people have come forward to wayne particular. I'll talk about one that the highs in contact with still is she was allegedly sexually abused by harry harry phipps across the castelo factory where she used to the back in the nineteen seventies she is being listened to and filmed against titan analysis experts being australia have saying that filming and a comeback and say this lady was highly likely sixty the abused by mystery fees so you do have weakened suicide alleged leaving in one hundred ninety meters the rent view hugh kelly resumed daunting six stewart was unable to go into the details of the second allegation due to legal reasons he then spoke about how how things were different in nineteen sixty six who is an alleged pedophile i or who is on the pedophile listing nodding sixty six i didn't have i had pickpockets duty albeit. I certainly didn't have harry fix and i certainly didn't have the clergy certainly didn't have a rough harris and you know that down. Just stand dan you would go to harry fixes health. If it happened to die how with with that in mind it changes. The dynamics sued the case. This is why harry phipps and people like harry. Phibbs are being looked at to di. Di weren't being looked at ten years ago twenty years ago. It's only now the me too movement hobby weinstein era and of course the inquiry into child sexual abuse that was dotted julia gillard that unleashed a-plus stora of people the chew with a highly respected in the community and yet at been abusing from many years pointing case with author readers dial who is a priest and there's ivy fifty counts of sexual abuse and yet i just moved him from one diocese to another they all knew about uh and it's a sign the nineteen sixties some people knew for the had inklings that harry phipps was sexually abusing however if they stop they hit up nineteen sixty day would have been shot down stuart then took us over the story of when he visited harry fixes. This is waldo and what he saw during that visit. I was following up with a lot of lay's one of them. I got to talk to harry's second walk harry carey twice. He's suave pasta why he ended up <hes> advertising for a house by i spoke to people originally hard this house might <hes>. She clogged that edge. She got the job and she became harry. Phipps house. I i cook a cleaner and saiful boo. She ended up marrying harry phillips and hit to work nights. She used to work at a gavan school governor factory. She said were actually she's chop up the jackpot and she sit around down to see her on the parade. Saints are doing some were looking into harry fixes background street with castello in these banks successful businessman. I mean i go down to see her but i did side of what that looked is bain rumors <hes> i'm talking about his father having something by shooter and that he was sexually abused and i could see tunes berry agitated but what may at that time without skipping debate she saw buying lying on you got something to do with all say john ratcliffe and christie golden straight off the time. These are the two kids that were adopted at satellite oval ignoring things sip t. three and i would never seen a guy and i just thought it was very strange that this lady just straight off the time. I didn't even think about it. At two in. I said look. I think i look has he's. I'm problems and he's probably picking it up just to feel more at ease and she did. I ended up going down. She sat down with basement and the advisement was very cool and a lot of the paraphernalia. There was all traces of the old bottle brown suitcases. It was books slight or amendment eaten. Wishy jay was there. I mean who didn't read that. In the ninety sixties. Everything was very pristine beautifully kits and they are on the <hes> one of the bookshelves. Who is this what age and i looked at that and i i thought how giant had hers we went. Watch summit was bide. Some of that was what the actual place it was. Watch it was by and that's why if the place site was wide. This is bites. Public hers has nothing to do it anyway. I called alma whitaker who work with i will end the sentiment and he said no. It was a color somewhat ease up. What was that because doing down by itself. It didn't make sense. I asked the lady cannot come back. I need to look at something at that time she got frigid cold had prayed to warn hood and so i wasn't baud loyd back but her friend was there and i said i need to have a look good something down in the vice and foolish for me on pointed to curse and she said to me nine. I bought that option for few guys again. Let's see well if that's the case whoa he's doing down here. If you're any borders knock shop shaw at that time. She said you have to leave and her friends it yes off. He got and escorted out. They didn't physically touch watch. Melons just exploited i. I was very stein's. Why it didn't touch that host is because i was watching too many krahn pike mike rims on c. They were i didn't want to contaminate a touch of tabloid current retarded ticket if they with a put down my pants and gone about knowing yes he said but it's not your fault was a split decision against the detective. Take the mccague's sean guiding the curse. He was around there within twenty four hours which is very good at it and he called told me said not. She started out what i want to know. What the listeners of mice thinking right now. Why the hell would you try try that. I doubt that he's not a reasonable thing for i do you would hope that this guy look if you jenny would you would side. Yes this might have something to do with the kyw's clings to the place but to throw it out means one thing a stipend malices expensive succeed and criminologist. She's hiding something. I asked us jewett when it was that he visited harry phibbs his widow and he then spoke more about the twelve coincidences ledges point to harry phibbs the incident with the purse with brain about who very early on around two thousand ice but from that purse also the coincidences started building and i was sending this to buy dacron directly. These winstons and i said there was either twelve. Let's go through some of those firstly when you book a case. Is he mile. Will that's not a coincidence yesteryears. Does he fit the rhines. Now harry phipps in nodding sixty six who's forty. I us old now. The description of the man at the beach was he was mature. Aw he was middle aged. He was between early thirties to early forties now harry phipps and outspoken too many people that it would be in the nineteen sixties. Harry phipps look much younger than these years and if you have a look at us in the early sixties he is already into his forties and he actually is sort of a by b feis so he looked much younger than so we can bring him back the site early forties yes indeed i i mixed the man at the beach the by will plying we've was toll feed an athletic build contained week big. He was clean shaven. We've cut back hair light brown with a few lives in one thought he had a long beach feis harry fixes description in the nineteen sixties. He was a regular bridge go to kelly reserve or two colored zip kuno beach. He was pained. He was fit looking. He had brushed back white powder to one side with a long beach vice now. Gotta you've got a mile fitting description and fitting the is right leaving very close to calling reserve. These things are starting to pint pitcher into. It's a geographic profile is as follows what the before the next thing is was he nine to hand out payback's dow beast. He's he's very pivotal. He was nodding sixty six and has been ever seats. It's stop pound dogs. Harry fits was ninety about health nuts in the nineteen fifties sixties into china java decimal currency. He was well nine for that. He was a big tipper. He was a big speed that he was wealthy. They are in the cost and lloyd factory at clinton. He started that for nothing making castings for the sake exploring pains. He was making casting school cooking cakes. If remembers and charles going back to the sixties seventies in bob would make a cake in the sort of casting. Ask a team casting. That's what constantly they expanded from that thank my other pops and pains and kettles and later on became a a distributor a mica of the holly davidson rims could either saw calls he'd made a lot of money was being there in the nineteen sixties. That's why he was not pound nuts as detected signal reitera they sit and sit nail who was wealthy enough to handle a coun- nuts in the nineteen sixties so now we've got harry fits the description. He's got the brushback aires pain. He lives very close to kelly reserve. He lives. He's very close to winds battery and the pound nuts that alone would ride juries mix. He is not alleged pedophile agai. You really hone it down to one. I fix all that and harry phipps <music>. Now it's corroborated. He loved dressing up in set collaborated fall will if he dresses up in salmon that spawn now the next set but when he drinks up in san in dresses encroaches on person private spice everything challenges then us stewart to take us through the two searches that were conducted in recent years harry factory that costs the factory and into the tip off that led to those searches the place scott to really get involved in around like two thousand eight two thousand food thing because circumstantial evidence was building on character entered. I'ts not which restricted fail programs and ela whitaker got a cold from individual that said guy had dug dug a hole in the back of past voice factory three days after the children went missing. I got a call from allen. We d you can onset alcohol. Guy adams see them and i saw this is starting to get too big on a bill. Hi be involved. He got in contact with the gentlemen. He's nine with david. He has been interviewed and filmed. He went down to see him. He did and it was corroborated. Emmys braga ah for us by the father who worked the castellina nonex- sixties. Do they want to make some pocket money doing some what the harry phipps on is on the way it was the weekend following a strategy they went down. Harry fisk was riding there by news harry six or now edible terry foods because he was sitting in this lodge child with big fins on the back. I said wasn't a normal astrology top harry that tom is driving a cadillac catholic. He gave him shuttles and he said that he wanted. I six foot long three-foot audit six the hull dug in the becca castello them. He sat in the car and he watched it was hard work once they finished keep pipe them in pound notes agai donning owning sixty six that was a huge amount of money so that were very happy to be kite pan that was hard work but it was worth it and it wasn't just one or two nights several saver and then he told bugs of them and i remember this because it sort of stands out fuck coffee little comes uh-huh dot com back. We pass it onto the place. The place were around after lot of doing throwing in fact which i we're going to dig me because of a current affair things dighton ought they were forced to it was political pressure to whatever reason we ah. Di weren't going to dig a back of that factory. So on this occasion bhai were forced to dig dig the back of the factory and they uncovered nothing so therefore the case was pretty well closed at that time what we found out light through an aerial view akali reserved the nineteen sixties way they got their bearings from from the baton guides coming into austin well that guy that i took the bearings from wasn't a nineteen sixty six in fact back guy was further down by it kind of this realization may co bill highs agai bill highs wing castilian spiked to the general manager but to a fake crew member dan camera and i worked out the guy was definitely fidel sixty six this is where channel seven got involved very heavily and then i started getting politicians involved and the niger koran they got involved because i could see what we saw and i will fully on board. They had some type of discussions castelo. We had criminologists. We had <hes> probably a father's. We had the heads of by jakulan. We had media. We had bill highs. They're all discussing this. A mistake was being my was ni- pudding spoke and now get us ground penetrating equipment that was probably bought channel seven to have look at the way they think the awards they did find some anomalies and hate to lead to the two thousand seventeen biggest becker metastable factory but half the world was honing in on this is the best league with ever had a case. I d big down a few bugs hosts cow shape some <hes> not many and a bit of rubbish that was all everybody was let clicks david who had helped big that whole eco astrid right off to oops excuse expression what the fuck did. We dig that whole or mike. Since what was he doing. He hardly anything that goes. Barnes could have been leftover from dick and nadia decades ago hundred years ago. It just didn't mike sense in effect going one place of detective. When i was walking checking out he was shaking his head and said this visine. I'll she'd sided all sit walk. Why did he big the whole through. A lot of people will sign the same thing. Brady eddie holds from channel nauta counterfeits. Thank thing done understand why a gentleman would be such a big hole to bug rolling so that wasn't just a decoy. We cannot be similar. What was we'd the hole. How old was doug at the back of the factory. There was two halls beckon suit valves of fifteen after that hala was doug hiding the fiefs chiefs cohen his cousin who is nine for many many years and said to him. They fucking dot in the wrong spots. Cousin konate shipped him at that song. Hide must have been in around when this happened happened. He's sick to bill is easy was getting retire after they've done a very lengthy interview with the hi bill and said to him feel they're in the same debbie bill. He was selected for long gone and he shape that name was telling the truth he was telling me way. These children are the sandpits kosta oil to he told his grandson. The shooter are in the pits. He told meetings second lost. The children are in the sandpit when he told me when i met him he said the shooter are in the sandpit a children up if you have a look at the same p._d.'s is in nineteen sixty six. If you get a narrow view of castaway which you can the whipsawed mobile home depot you will see with the sand pit was it is statement in easy view and the statement analysis experts have said something about the two all cottages at cost and louis you clearly visible. The san was behind them. It's the cottages and the sand pit physically skein. You only talk about it to a certain extent. This is way heightened. Phipps has said on numerous occasions but shooter <hes> aw barre that also win the second dig took place was i <hes> i full sawn had plastic cover. Put on the guy. I constable the place now have that position. It said jinan ana a buried here grab is not hype so's resting place and scott down the bottom c._s. This'll be in the book. We looked at that diagnosed. Who put it the the police have now they position that was eerie. Why would somebody say a two-children up buried. He at one is not so after that big. Somebody knows something inside hints. That's what going forward with this and we will not relent. Wait until we find out what happened to them. All yes jewett. If you knew where the saint pete area was that hayden phipps was referring to that fan camp that heightened talks about you can see clearly in an area would be color resumed in the nineteen sixties where that was now is a cop pock doc that easy behind us and a guy when you see an era you even see coffee juice behind that is way the same is according according to the is photos but a guy as a state there is a todd koppel of had a few people that said there is no way they're going to do anything anything would cost elliott has been closed down onto its that sandpits dug up. There is a few people the politics and very singer physicians of the already told me and bill we are going to look at that. I believe it'll be a groundswell of people side. Dig it up. It might cost but this is our only chance to find out you know. Is there something in the sand. People is not to not covered. I've with housing legal. What have you gone to use it for until we get that opportunity because it'll be a griping justice. If it's not done we have the opportunity. Let's do it and i asked stewart what needs to be done for dig to take place in the area where the scene was for dick tight kleist firstly to cast italy factory tree is closed down. It'll be completely stripped inside forked within the next few weeks so talk about the beginning of august it goes back to be owned by the south unstrung government what happens after that one of the cast of factory in the land on which is huge. We brought by what we going to ask government. The government of its own is to dig up that copy from where the same pit was. I think saudi stunning paperwork demanded mandat. I think with the mr by just think of then it's. I guess it's going to cost some money. Got the not knowing going at least if we dig it up and we dig up that champagne area if they not bad not bad but what had stewart how far are away the saint pete area res from the area where harry beeps ordered the two boys to dig a hall for him. I the warranted he digged that hall and that that that is a mystery. That's going to battle including the tickets while i dig such a deep hall and bogglingly and why guy to that if two boys that doug bet home piece off or to suckle and don come back. It sounds like this person is hiding something. If as heightened said they're in the same the same us at the other end so we cannot was throwing people along the same i mean we can only do the facts that same at bain there for years where they port the filings or the cast export findings from the factory they would put those in and they would bulldoze the cross and it was a very sub saying at the back of the factory. Where did that gig big. I even notice when they started digging. That is not something that was very hot. However if you come back down towards the league two houses where the cop hockey's and are bathed in there and i'll bait native shuttle off doug where i could eighties sane. It is very easy to gig quite a deep hole. I'd dot dan of all better. Foot very easily was like sand the beach that what is the same underneath with cop hockey's is saying at the back of the factory on the opposite sides or opposite roy to ring <unk> avenue that is hard soil and when i first carry out the date that was the first thing on notice and a few others that he's not seen that he's soil so guy back. We dig up the cow. That's on each time so that can be done twentieth and then we stopped digging in on lingerie not just one small area but water rare must mattis. He's lost the ticket on judy that diet cornell said he would be down coming with a pick and shovel. He said that area needs to be dug. Something sinister happened castaway factory around that shape mcculskey us back in the nanking sixty six and we wanna nine walked. If there was an online petition or crowdfunding page twit paypal could go to support the campaign to have the saint pete area dug up and searched the publication of the book who took the by children should be the first quarter next year. We are going to catch inside that we doing on lawn. Money rise came pine for castelo asteroid only if we need it. I believe we will because there's enough people that delayed and that up got the influence to to get that factory dug up some parts of that. If that's not the catchy that doesn't happen. We're going to coincide with the book who to buy among children. It will come in saint tom including youtube agung slump meet tight and i believe we have enough money to do what we need to do. In a very short period tong stewart finished telling us why he won't give up people say why don't we just leave it alone. Think about parents. We ask asking adoptive parents. If you shoot a titan you would guy entity earth the fun what had happened and mr by a two old. Mr beaumont is still alive down <hes> bloomberg area. He's about ninety two ninety three. This is bonnie watson high. She's at least onto us out. They can't do this. We're gonna do all of them because we fill as many now. It's highly likely that harry fixes volved. Okay get duchesne. Allegedly with people say all the please do the work. We did leave the place place to work. Elect the place to work. The single thing is that the police have a lot of cases to solve. How much attention can they actually get to this. We're doing what they i don't have the time for and have the results who's for the place of great fantastic light blassie's by an absolutely fantastic else to also had wide bringing up now. That always rankles made. What do you mean why bringing up now expense for the last fifty eve's it'll never be sold people that say that there's like how you know want be solved because it hasn't been so before so we put a man on the merger that hadn't been done before it can be done and can be so we just have to hymie harry harry six and following this and if we do i believe as with bill is will they will be a positive conclusion a big. Thank you stuart melons. Speaking with us this month. You can find links to both books mentioned in the episode in the show notes as well as a link to students jewett swept sought to stay up to date with all the latest news from case ball and from the falls follow us on twitter at case sunday school file on facebook spoke at facebook dot com slash case fall and on instagram at case ball podcast. You can also follow me on twitter at case fall. All host to access ad free early. Release episodes of buddy shows as well as bonus content and exclusives. 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134 - Fall Football Preview
"Three quick things I Knight fail percents just launched the third season of within the wires. It's a political thriller set in nineteen fifty. Chicago told entirely through dictated letters and notes from bureaucrat to his secretary the club called within the wires, the standard bearer of our network. So if you're not listening to it, not sure what you're waiting for. The first episode is out now go find it at within the wires dot com. Second, we have a brand new night, Vale percent show coming out at the end of the month called adventures in new America. It's the first political Sifi satire afro, futuristic buddy comedy podcast. And honestly, you just have to hear it just this week, the New York Times called it the best new social thriller in any form of media. There's nothing else out there like this. Check out the trailer at adventures in new. In America dot com and listen to the first episode on September, twenty eighth. Third, we're going on tour this week our twenty eighteen twenty nineteen world tour starts in Brooklyn on September twentieth and we'll be traveling across North America through the middle of October and across the world. Starting next January, this new life script about secrets, and spies is so much fun. And I'm so excited for y'all to see it. Check out every single one of the over forty cities that were visiting at welcome tonight, fail dot com slash live and hey, thanks. The reach new I in team. This has been a partial list of letters, not found in the word team. Welcome to night Vale. The night Vale high school, scorpions, kickoff, the varsity football season. This Friday against last year's district champion red Mesa, following the announcement this summer that scorpions, head coach Nazran Mucci. He'd would be taking a sabbatical to deal with personal matters night Ville, promoted defensive coordinator, Latrice Beaumont to head coach. She has ten years coaching experience and was a former linebacker for the scorpions during their heyday as four time state champs in the late nineteen. Ninety s this is a historic higher for the high school football program as Latrice Beaumont is the first Gemini to become head coach Beaumont called a press conference this morning to talk about her team and her coaching staffs expectations for the season. After only one win last year Beaumont explained. We wanted to change our approach entirely. It's sort of a plodding run focused offensive. We want our starting quarterback, sophomore, judicious Dunkin to really throw that ball around just took leather wad, any direction. Eve wants. Beaumont's team motto for twenty eighteen is we will win all the time right now. Judy is Duncan has a small frame at only five foot four and one hundred and twenty pounds, but he has eight legs and can leap up to twenty times his own height. He has struggled with his accuracy in training camp as he has zero arms and the spiny tips of his front legs caused the ball to stick and sometimes fleet senior running back prince Reynolds who led the district in rushing last year returns in full health coach Beaumont said Reynolds has been working on his upper body strength in the off season by installing hydraulic joints on each shoulder. We'll have more on the upcoming scorpion football season in a moment. But first, a look at traffic. Lisa farmer does not like her job. She just not hate it. Either to Lisa, a job is a paid dare to sit in a chair for ten hours every weekday for forty years for a little over a million dollars paid out in by weekly installments. She commutes thirty five minutes each way to office. During this time, she thinks about the divorce papers. Her attorney gave her, but the cheese never filled out. She thinks about her husband's lack of motivation. She thinks about having children not whether to have them, but the actual process of birth. She sometimes offers up an involuntary laugh a reflex response to the forced laughter of the FM drive time. Talk show. She forgets all of this when she arrives at home or work time pours from her like, whoa. From a broken pipe oldest time lost to unmemorable travel. She measures her life in traffic jams a mathematical equation that proves nothing. Commutes are the limbo of the week day. Everything is stasis. Expect delays. This is being traffic. In her opening press conference, knightdale, scorpions, head coach, the tree spo- Mont said there were some rule changes this season, which would affect her teams approach. I helmet to helmet hits normally assigned a personal foul penalty will now be subject to gain ejections and possible. Suspensions officials are also cracking down on end zone celebrations. Many fans felt the elaborate displays of joy exhibited by players. Last season. We're not in the spirit of sportsmanship. The most egregious example was when cactus parks to meal Whiteside scored the game winning touchdown against pine cliff. He and the rest of his teammates then performed in the end zone, the entirety of the Tony winning musical sensation, wicked district head of officiating. Jake Kemp announced. I'm tired of selfish, Kim. Kids making team sport all about them. In my day when we scored, we would calmly hand the ball to the ref and jog back to the sideline head down. Maybe he continued. Maybe more religious kid might offer a quick prayer to the Brown stone spire and unobtrusive gesture of kneeling, cutting your finger open drawing, nine pointed star with your blood as your teammates danced about shirtless and chanting something in ancient Acadian or Greek, but nothing ostentatious like what kids these days do. Did you see that one kid who did a back flip up backflip this is football, not circus. Oh, les son kept shouted. He added that millennials are killing everything good in the world. One reporter reported that current highschoolers are not even part of the millennial generation. Another reporter pointed out that camp is thirty three years old, which makes a deal Kemp paused and said, you wanna be like that fine Kemp then begin to grunt and strain his face darkened to deep violet as long white-haired gushed from the top of his head and out of his chin, his posture weakened his back now, hunched wrinkles formed around his eyes and lips and his kin loosened. He then said, Horsely, I'm ninety three now. So you know where you can put that millennial comment of yours. The reporter assumed Kemp meant at the sports section of the newspaper. So that's where the reporter put it in the middle of Beaumont's, press conference, assistant coach, Christopher Tisdale. Whispered into her ear and she frowned when asked to elaborate she said she just received word that another new rule is that all players must have two or fewer legs, which prohibits her starting quarterback Junius Dunkin from taking the field upset by this sudden change Beaumont cited the golden retriever who was allowed to play basketball for cactus park back in nineteen Ninety-seven thing named the dog air. But because the dog was the former CEO of an airline, admittedly, the dog was terrible at basketball. He ran in circles and barked at the coach retreats, while opposing teams took advantage of the five on four mismatch. But according to Beaumont, a precedent was set for multilegged players. Oh, this is terrible. News, poor Junius must be devastated. Beaumont's, press conference is still going on. We'll get back to it soon. But for now. When the first bolt of lightning struck the sea and the first apex of rock crested the tumultuous oceans, the elders among the stars brought life onto the earth. These children of star dust became humans became thority of their tiny planet. They created science and art, and they worshiped their galactic forbears, but their hubris grew in them like a cancer and they abandoned the benevolence of their creators. The vigilant determination of life leads only to death. And ironic, a robbery us to be laughed at by the elders of the cosmos. Diet, Pepsi. Humans are a knock, knock joke of the gods. Let's take a look now at night Vale high schools, district rivals this season. Starting with last year's champs, the red Mesa, aunt carpenters, red Mesa returns. They're starting quarterback seniors Salman Talib who leads a dynamic passing offense anchored by junior wide receiver. Trunk fam- fans quick feet, five frame and nearly twenty inch Antlers allow him to break free from smaller defenders. The pine cliff lizard monitor's return with the league's top offense. Everyone in pine cliff is a ghost making them quite delusive. But the flip side of that is that their defense is terrible. In terms of total tackles made last season. They finished dead last pun, not intended, but pun certainly embraced. Because it's not bad. I'm getting word from my producer, Ian that it is in fact a bad pun in bad taste. Ins grandmother was part of the great cataclysm of two thousand eight, which turned all of pine cliff into ghosts. He says, it's no laughing matter to those living in pine cliff to to those residing in pine cliff. So I'll go back to the part where I said, pun not intended. One team to watch out for this year is the cactus park, shark nurses who have a strong defense to have struggled with turnovers, the shark nurses senior running back. Patrick Lyle had twenty fumbles last year. Bunked said he focused on his ball carrying technique in the off season coaches worked with Lyle to carry the ball high and tight against his shoulder pads. Instead of in his cargo shorts, pockets desert bluffs, which has not had a team. Nor high school. For the past three seasons has reincorporated in some desert other world, and we'll be returning to district play this year. League officials are concerned about the capriciousness of gateways between our reality and there's which could lead to visiting teams becoming lost in either a time loop or disappearing altogether. Theoretical physicist Cedric dumb. And from desert bluffs, junior college said, if you focus on the bad, you'll never see the good not much known about this vultures team other than they're probably terrible. Finally, there's another new district rival this season. The whispering forest high school would dogs. Whispering forest high opened in twenty sixteen after the forest incorporated as an independent township. No humans live in the whispering forest. Only trees really polite trees. Always with a quiet compliment. But if you accept one of their complements you to become a tree in their forest fun fact, whispering forest is the fastest growing town here in the desert urban planning experts. Think that the positivity emanating from the whispering forest has been a real draw for people seeking new homes. They're able to determine why a need for positively suddenly became a factor in league 2016, but there it is the way dogs are short to be the largest and toughest opponent in night villes district, but also the slowest as they are literally trees. Their real strength won't be in their ability to score or sack the quarterback, but to recruit in tire opposing teams to their side before the game. And that's a look at niveau highs, rivals this year coming up. We'll check in with coach Beaumont and her team strategy for two thousand eighteen. But first a public service announcement, friends of the night Vale public library announced the annual used book sale is this Saturday afternoon from ten to five librarians will hang books from invisible twine attached to blade based traps inside a complex cornfield labyrinth according to the press release, which appears to be written by a detached human finger dipped in its own blood. These are. Great books by great authors like George Saunders most Hamid and Celeste ING books. You really should read books. You'll want to reach out and grab without noticing that the earth below you is lightly covered in branches, hiding, a spike filled pit. So come down to the library for the used book sale. No need to shower beforehand. Your natural sent makes you easier to track. This has been a public service announcement. Coach Beaumont has finally completed her preseason press conference, and she finished it off with quite a statement when asked what the overall strategy for this year would be Beaumont said soprano is, but she said it just like that with their eyes wide arms raised, and there was a long silence as the reporters waited for what was to happen. Next, the energy faded as Beaumont slowly lowered her hands alone. Cough came from the back of the room. Beaumont then continued. Our strategy is surprise. We don't want our opponents to have any time to prepare for us. So we scheduled every single game simultaneously. All five division rivals will play us at once. She said, we kick off in like five minutes. I should go as the leader of this team. I can't be late for the national anthem, the pledge of allegiance, the Eldridge chant of Nash. Unity. The secret police helicopter flyover and the pre-game blood stone balking all dance. Now, the reporters frantically shouted, the rest of their questions. Are you going to protest your quarterbacks disqualification? How will you compete against five teams at once? How many balls will be used? Where do we go when we die and what is football? Are you a football but Beaumont had already left. I'm getting word that the game has kicked off at the knightdale high school. Now I'm not a sports fan, but even I'm intrigued. I got to see this. Let me take you now to the weather. Completed, doesn't. Another people couple something. On your pages on the Bush. Vapors. Camilla's doesn't faze tomatoes people on the puppy something. Predator gorgeous. Please come from ram with the base blown ran with the brains blown, right? We're almost a made song resolve to pick bone, sit the peso's paychecks. Claire laid of rod wrote the hit malls gone. They'll go up known by bygone wars with like replace the icon type Ron's just running. Papers, duck invaders doesn't you know. Made us the Roman. 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The trees whispered impressed by your talent Santeuil. Suddenly the two night Ville players. Retreats, the opposing team's rallied together, handing the ball off to the pine cliff running back funds Menendez who simply could not be tackled by the end of the first quarter. The scorpions were down twenty to nothing. It would have been twenty one, but desert bluffs, kicker Leonard, Clayton missed an extra point probably because he's so poorly coached in the second quarter night. Vale's prince Reynolds scored a quick touchdown to make it twenty seven. They followed that with a field goal after a fumble by cactus parks, Patrick Lyle who was carrying the ball with his teeth instead of holding tight to his chest. Leaving night Ville down twenty to ten coach Beaumont told her team at halftime that they were doing great, but they needed to focus more on the fundamentals of the game. Keep your eyes on the runners, hips. She shouted not their feet. Wrap your tackles tight. She encouraged offensive players to pick up their correct blocking assignments, Tim, she yelled referring to offensive guard Timothy Llano, stop trying to block the trees. They can't run and the ghosts. They can't tackle worry about tangible humans him. The team seemed dejected without their starting quarterback. Junius Dunkin, though month began a powerful and inspiring pep talk. She brought in a ten piece brass band, perform Gustav Holst's second suite in f underneath her speech, you can beat anyone if you believe in yourselves should began. You totally help. If we had Dunkin in the game though, then she said, surprise and opened up a Ralph's bag with three pairs of gloves. Duncan put these on like you have six. Arms. She said, can you walk on your back to lakes Duncan, not guess. But no one noticed because there was no joint allowing free movement of his head atop his or acts. So we had the hiss and leap up and down to demonstrate his by peel abilities the team lead over relieved, cheer of win all the time right now and ran onto the field were juvenile by their flouting of government issued. Regulations don't can struggled early with his passes as he had no fingers villas gloves. But he did score six touchdowns by simply leaping twenty yards at a time down the field and tying defenders in webs. He was penalized fifteen yards though for attempting to use his venom to paralyze the bodies of his prey and the end night Vale one fifty to forty five earning the district. Title before the season even started. Exciting game Corless. The rest of the family join me and we nachos entering sodas and shouted. Cheers, like go team go and. Oh, blood, and. Love Karl even bought me. One of those pointing foam fingers that says, someone talked identified the traitor. The whole game was visceral and communal. You'll maybe on the sports fan after all. I hope this victory to bring some joy to former coach Nasser Al mood to heat. I'm sure it didn't heal him, but hopefully he offered him temporary relief from pain. Stay tuned next for gentle takes our political roundtable where the hosts listen to each other, talk about their days while they knit and say, thanks for sharing with me could night night Vale could night. Support for welcome tonight. Fail is brought to you by SimpliSafe home security done, right. SimpliSafe home security. You'll actually love using. It's really thoughtfully designed so you can blanket your home with protection and never notice. It's got all kinds of great little touches like gentle reminders. If you're leaving with the window open, hey, left your win. No, I don't think that's what it sounds like. But most importantly, simply safe is really good at its job seen at the wire cutter, PC MAG. All named it. Their top pick for home security over two million people use it every day. 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CNN10 - 9/20/19
"The in a state of disaster in the State of Texas is our first story this Friday thank you all for taking ten for CNN ten on Coral Sousse at the CNN center. Imelda was the name of the storm system that is soaking parts of the lone star state it formed as a tropical depression strengthened to a tropical storm warm and made landfall all on the same day that was Tuesday so there really wasn't time for people near Texas Gulf Coast to make any major preparations still Imelda wasn't projected to have anywhere near the impact that Hurricane Dory and had on the Bahamas earlier this month but it did cause flooding tremendous amounts of it in Texas and even though we're Melda is no longer a tropical storm or a weaker tropical depression for that matter conditions were still worsening yesterday for many people in Southeast Texas access in the city of Beaumont for example where the average rainfall is about sixty inches per year police say the city a third of that as much as twenty inches in one night. Beaumont is in one of the thirteen Texas counties where Governor Greg Abbott declared a state of disaster yesterday that speeds up money and help to those in need lead and there are a lot of people in need police say they've gotten hundreds of calls for rescues people have been trapped in homes and cars residents are being told not to drive arrive because the roads are flooded and entire neighborhoods have become like lakes with houses and trees in the middle of them as what's left of Imelda Moves Northeast East millions of people in East Texas and Western Louisiana. Were told to keep an eye out for possible flash floods. Some victims are comparing this storm to Hurricane Harvey and it certainly caused the worst flooding in the region since Harvey did this in two thousand seventeen though that storm was considered to be an even bigger rainmaker. Imelda's eldest threat continues with more rain in the forecast before it completely moves out of tax well. This was a Melda the storm that really was only a tropical storm didn't didn't really ever turn into a hurricane but that's not the point it has tropical moisture with it and that tropical moisture has just been sitting right from Houston and points eastward all the way toward Beaumont and I ten is completely underwater completely shut down around Beaumont. We are going to see this now. This water gonNA take a long time for it to run off even now toward woodland and Houston Houston getting in on a little bit more rainfall from the North here coming down. You'll see heavier rainfall here. What the biggest story here is this white area here from Winnie this is over toward Beaumont Aumont. There's three hundred and fifty square miles of twenty inches of rain or more that's fifteen times the size of Manhattan covered and with twenty inches of rain or more and some of these these gauges our out of control. I don't know if we believe not but up to forty inches of rain in some spots there to the southwest Beaumont for the second time since July the United States Federal Reserve cut interest rates this week the federal funds rate was reduced a quarter of a percentage point and it'll now hover between one point seven five percent and two percent does that affect individual Americans yes because lower interest rates make it cheaper to borrow money payments on mortgages payments on credit card balances what businesses have to pay back when they borrow all live that can decrease when the Fed cuts interest rates. It's a move the Central Bank can make to influence the US economy and analysts think that economy will continue to grow in the months that's ahead and that the nation's unemployment rate will stay near its lowest levels in fifty years but there are concerns that global growth will slow down this rate cut according according to the Fed chairman was made to keep the US economy strong. Let's go all the way back to the late nineteenth century when people couldn't trust their money was safe in the bank and bank runs were unusual that led to the creation of the country's central bank the Federal Reserve in nineteen thirteen it it was the first step toward adding safety and stability to America's financial system today. The Fed is essentially the architect of America's money policy. It's it's run by a board of Governors based in Washington. DC and has twelve Federal Reserve banks around the country those bank presidents and the board meet eight times times a year to make big policy decisions decisions that affect the feds two main goals to make sure prices are stable and that everyone who wants a job. Bob Has a job so how exactly does the Fed do this mainly using three tools. I Li- adjusting the discount rate. That's the interest I rate the Fed charges commercial banks for short term loans and it's one of the most influential interest rates there is doubt had its biggest point drop in history today today for example in two thousand eight when the economy was tanking some companies may not be able to make their payroll manager shut down a shift that people will lose their jobs. More people will lose their homes. People will have the difficulty getting loans. The Fed in an unprecedented move cut interest rates to zero making it cheaper to borrow money. This plan is an emergency plan to put out a fire resolve a serious crisis which has real main street implication salon can't force banks to lend companies to hire but it can use tools oils to create an environment for Economic Growth Second Trivia which of these contraptions interactions was invented. I that came cleaner. AM radio take a light more penny farthing penny farthing three your thoughts. It's the only one of these inventions named before the twentieth century and here is what a penny farthing looks like it's also known as a high wheel bicycle for obvious reasons it appeared here on the scene around the year eighteen seventy and historians believe it led to the invention of the UNICYCLE because why not leave the relative safety of two wheels for just one if if keeping balance while mountain biking is more challenging than road biking. Let's turn ten at ten up to eleven and go off roading on a mountain UNICYCLE unicyclists. Ucla really with different if a city and you you bench for me. It's not a bench. Something can jump on it. So is this an obstacle for me too. Steep possibly the job on this walk so it really changed my perspective on everything my shorts. I'm a professional Martin. UNICYCLISTS cyclists unicycle in the mountains. I started unicycling at the age of nine. I I all UNICYCLE it on the street and AVAS years. Yes I got more and more extreme in the mountains. I really like to go on big mountains so I did five thousand six hundred meter mountain. I win a couple of years ago and I want to go on high. Mountains are UNICYCLE on five continents many many places in the world the biggest challenge on Unicyclists to always stay balance technically the most important movement Alex because I always have to peddle so oh my legs are always moving than my white on I used to balance so I moved up and down my left arm maintenance awake if I'll go down and hot terrain and not not thinking at all I'm just in the moment and one hundred percent focus just on the spot on the movement because if I start seeing for sure I would fall down. I staff off the chestnuts done by so many people and I think it's a big challenge if you don't have to you can copy and you have to invent the squad little bits by yourself to emily unique. It's really special than testing. That's a big part Lilac at so much well. He spoke of some really interesting points. If not universal ones it's hard to switch gears and can even grind your gears if you know you've only got one and and not everyone would pedal the idea of taking a seat where a wheelies the only way to ride your only keeping it half as wheel is a bicycle still as we ride off into the sunset for the week. We hope you'll keep it in the road even if you go off road and we thank you for keeping CNN tenure number one for news
What to do if you have stage fright.
"And so I have Caroline Louisa Loyd back on the show for a very special mini episode. And this is for you if you found yourself in a situation where you're about to go on stage maybe you're about to give a presentation tation. Maybe you're about to have a conversation. who better than to have voice coach author? Caroline with me where your wheel Powell's in your ears we're we're GONNA make it. Alright Homie Caroline. We are indeed. You've got this. You've got this okay. So maybe you're nervous. Maybe stage fright. Maybe you're worried about how. Oh people or someone is going to react to what you're going to say so caroline with your expertise. What can you say. What are the three things that we three or four or five five have many. We have no limits that you can say right now to help somebody just fine that place to go out and give it their best. So first thing is buddy so so simple. If you're standing just failure feet on the floor. Relax you right foot into the floor. Feel tacos the arch fill the heel and then left foot relaxed the toes relax the arch relaxed the Hale and really just let your feet relaxed like there in soft sand or lovely gross alone in the summer and then if you sitting you can also add Beaumont chair so just failures seat bones really grounding rounding into the chair and standing sitting something that really helps is a dragon's tail which sounds completely mad. I know but if you just imagine that you have a really Heavy v Dragon's tail that's going down all the way down to the floor very games roads and all the way around the room. One that does is it. Lengthens wins the back of your body. It takes you into your back. And that's where we all when we're relaxed because when we noticed we go into front or is so put that dragon's Taylor on and then just get your ears over your shoulders. which is anti text neck? And that makes your breathing. Your body feel more confident more relaxed that your shoulders hang and just take a moment to notice. I can feel the air on my face. I can feel the clothes on my skin and see something around you that you haven't noticed before because that will just brings you into your senses and out of your brain so now you present then the next thing I would do is get put hundred your tummy. You this very subtly. If you're on a train or something no one needs to know and just just notice that you're breathing so notice that you're breathing out if you're breathing out feel a tummy move back to the spine and then notice that you're breathing. Imagine a wave on a beach. The wave is going in and out in its own time suggest observed that the wave going out and then a wave coming in. And you can do that for a couple of minutes. Yes and it's just slowing system down so that's Bodey breath if you are alone. Definite no one for the chief SUV while the train at that point probably I would sing. An my singing. Voice is not such that I want to share it with listeners. Now but just put some music secon or sing. You can sing happy birthday but something that is just joyous and silly and free will warm up your voice and make you feel more confident and then the final thing. If I'm really nervous which I am about something I have to do on Wednesday I will visualize on a movie screen in in my mind what it will look like when it works so take a moment just to close your eyes. Put up a movie screen in your mind and see you in your presentation and you'll missing whatever it is making you nervous and just visualize what success will look like when it works. See what you look like. Feel what you're feeling. Hear Your Voice and just turned up the colors. Turn up the sound talent. The feelings until it's really lovely to watch and then you can always just wrap it around you like a big coastal really step into it to make it seem like in the moment now oh and you can go back to that movie whenever you feel nervous to just give you a little bit more confidence. The final tool was a tool. I was taught by. Ah The actor Bill Nighy and he said when I'm nervous. He so cool. When I'm nervous I just think how can I help because when we're anxious anxious we're worried about how we're showing up but when we think how can. I help this audience. We go into service. We go into compassion. And that's where we all do our the best. Just walk out into that remove Kowtow stage and just think how can I help these people and then let it go and you'll rook. They go thank you. Caroline nine and best of luck in whatever it is that you're doing. Thank you very much
Beyond the Headlines Detroit Episode 29
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT odd casting troy dot com before information Welcome to beyond the headlines with your whole veteran journalists dealing nipple tape welcome to another edition beyond the headlines. I'm your host Nichols. Our guest today is Kristin Jordan. Shameless of the Detroit. Free Press. Who will be discussing the case of Titus Cromer a man whose family is seeking to keep them alive while he's on life support? Welcome to the this show. Kristen Hi Darren thanks for having me great Before we get into the substance of of what we're here today took tell folks a little bit about yourself what you've been covering at three press over the years absolutely so I have been at the free press since two thousand three the and I've covered a whole range of topics Working in several different departments from education to healthcare to feature stories. I've written columns that touch on politics. I've got a a long long time. The free press okay. And so how did well I give us an Overview of of this particular case and how it came your way okay so most recently. I've been covering healthcare and this story came my way when I got a message From a man who represents a lawyer who is helping the family family of Titus Cromer Junior He was brought to hospital and Royal Oak and was placed on life support in mid October. So it it happened. Some accident happened that the family hasn't disclosed on October Seventeenth and Titus is sixteen years old and he was taken by ambulance silence to Beaumont and admitted doctors tried to save him And so the lawyer at this point had reached out to me through his representative to ask whether I'd be willing to write a story about what was going on because Beaumont Hospital at that point had determined that titus was brain dead and they wanted to disconnect him from life support but his family desperately wanted to keep him going And so this attorney was about to file court action in Oakland County Circuit Court. Stop the hospital system from being able to remove him from life support. Okay and so what landed what. How is it going now? What is the obviously they filed court relief. But tell me sort of where This issue is standing now. Sure so the stories taken a lot of twists and turns since that day You know that they went into Oakland County Circuit Court. The judge there Hala Jarboe. She issued a temporary restraining order and then set a court hearing for this past Thursday. So I guess what today are today to follow up but in the meantime There have been negotiations ongoing between the hospital. And the family's lawyer trying to come up with some sort of solution in those negotiations Bomani saying titus is brain dead therefore he's clinically clinically dead. Therefore we cannot do anything you know any kind of surgery or any kind of procedures to his body and they're keeping him on life support because of the court order However they they believe? It's ethically irresponsible to do anything more than that What the family is is asking for is for a doctor? Her to perform to procedures on titus one is called a tracheostomy where a tube is inserted into the throat so that the ventilator can be attached attached and it works a little bit easier. It's a little bit less difficult on the body when they do that and then the family also wants him to have a feeding tube put into his abdomen in an and those two things are requirement to transfer this to a long term care facility where he can continue to get treatment and family family hopes recover But Beaumont won't do those things. The lawyer says because they believe it's unethical to perform surgery on someone who has already brain dead And so that's sort of where the legal battle is right now. The family can't have titus transferred out of Golan until those procedures happen but Beaumont isn't willing to do those procedures and the attorney for the family is saying Beaumont won't even allow a doctor from outside the hospital system. Come in and do those procedures. Okay and why has hospital said anything other than we can't do it. What what is the hospital saying on? You're in the hard thing for the hospital. And that's because of health privacy laws so it's got to be very difficult on their on their side of it Because because they can't really communicate much of anything about titus or his condition or about what decisions. They're making Without violating those health privacy laws called hippo laws. Ause I mean let me go to the doctor. You sign that form that says you know understood that the law says the hospital system cannot disclose anything to anyone other than you know. Who you've said can learn information so the hospital systems really hide Law But it has had has said however you know that while it can't detail anything that's happening or the negotiations or anything at all They've said that they're continuing to abide by the court order. The which is to keep titus on life support and that they empathise deeply with the family and the situation okay and has has The lawyer or his family told you anything about titus because they haven't disclosed as you said How he landed in hospital it would have they have they Talked about Who Titus was in sort of the things about him? Yeah so I've been trying to talk talk to titus his mother I've been trying to get an interview with her and I have not been able to the lawyer It's sort of blocking that right now. Saying that she's distressed and she's spending spending all of her available time at the hospital by her son side But what he has told me is that titus was a varsity wrestler at the University of Detroit. Jesuit high spoke That he was a popular kid. Love Music Bob Hanging out with his friends you know. He was a typical teenage boy. Okay and I know you mentioned where where the family stands but what sort of what kind of puts them in this kind of position. Is this sort of common or is this something that has done by Beaumont or is this A reoccurring theme that you've seen over time sure so The state state has a law. It's a sort of definition of one brain. Death had And it was enacted in the nineties To set a standard hurt and to establish when Dr Sort of blurry right one. Is someone officially brain dead or not in terms of what the average person thinks about. And so there's something called Michigan's determination of Death Act and it dictates when brain death has occurred. And that's when there's no more circulatory Toria respiratory functions In the body and and that's a reversible and when all the functions of the brain including the brainstorm have irreversibly I stopped. I'm GonNa once that happens. You know hospital is within its rights to remove less support because that person is officially dead however if the family doesn't consent to that doesn't give permission it gets a little bit squishy and that's where we've seen another case recently involving another teenager teenager Out at CS. Children's Hospital in. Ann Arbor His name was Bobby Rahal and he was also Declared Ed brain dead by the hospital and that was after he had an asthma attack than the asthma attacks. A heart attack and there was lots of oxygen to the brain and his family thought to try to keep him on life support but the courts ultimately allowed the University of Michigan to conduct a second examination to determine brain death breath and then he was removed from life support later that day. Okay and entices case. What kind of situation is he in? You know The hospital has done their assessments and are declaring brain death. There is another doctor who titus family brought in to have. Look him yesterday Beaumont his attorneys are saying that. Beaumont wouldn't allow him to do an examination however this other doctor. Whose name is Richard Configure Leo? And he's a specialist from Marysville Pennsylvania so he visited Beaumont yesterday and saw Titus and talk to his mother and and it was his conclusion that titus is showing signs of brain activity. He said that He's able to maintain his own body body temperature without assistance And what I was saying was that if titus were brain dead to keep his own body warm and to regulate his own body it it wouldn't be possible he would need a heating blanket He also argued that titus maintaining his own blood pressure pulse without medicine and that he's been taken taken off the ventilator at times and been able to maintain his own breathing for a bit a bit of time which is something that this doctor said would not be possible With with brain death but it must be noted. When I say that they've brought in Dr Bonfiglio Bonfiglio is associated with Terry Chevaux life and Hope Network which is an advocacy organization created in the wake of the Terri Schiavo ordeal back in the early? Two thousand tell me tell me a little bit more about The Cherry Chevaux Sure so it was kind of a famous case. I don't know if you remember it at. Aw But it happened back. You know initially Terry Shovel was a woman. She lived in Florida and she had a heart attack in nineteen ninety at a very very young age. I WanNa say she was twenty five or twenty six when it happened and because of that she lost oxygen to her brain and it caused her to be in a vegetative state for years afterward. Her husband Michael Chicago insisted that he wouldn't that. She didn't want to live that way that she would have wanted to live is on life support In a feeding tube and so he got a court order to disconnect her feeding tube. Even though Terry's parents parents and her brother oppose that they argue that that she would want to live And so he eventually went to court and got a court order and the feeding tube was live disconnected from Terry show and she died. Thirteen days later in two thousand five But it was very very controversial there was tons of media coverage which it was a really big deal okay Tell me a little bit about how the family's doing Obviously through the lawyer Royer Have has he talked about how difficult it's been on the family How they're doing any of those type conscious things? Yeah he said. It's been extremely stressful. I mean they're really worried they don't really know what to do at this point. They're trying to get their son moved to a long term care facility but there are just a lot of obstacles in the way and it's really really hard in addition it's going to be very expensive to continue all this care and to pay the attorneys ladies and all that other stuff so someone in the family has created a gofundme page for titus family and that's amassed already well yesterday nights the headmaster ready over seventeen thousand dollars okay and and so I mean clearly. It is a hard on the family. But what sort of what sort of galvanizes nicest them. What sort of makes them have the hope in the hospital system that it will do right because you know primarily the African American community They're already as a distrust of the hospital of hospitals and doctors. And so what makes the Family Trust Beaumont what makes them trust The hospital system. I wish I could answer that question. I don't really the answer to it at all and I think you raise a really valid and important point You know I think in this case. Titus was taken by ambulance to Beaumont. I don't know if the family only directed the ambulance to Beaumont or whether that is just where he ended up and now that's where he is and he really can't move. He can't leave. If he doesn't have the feeding tube and the tracheostomy he asked me. So they're sort of caught in this bind right now And I and I don't really know what they're doing in terms of being able to maintain that faith hope that the hospital system will do the right thing. I I really don't know But I have to say it's got to be difficult. Sure and so there will be a hearing next week. talked me a little bit about that. And what sort of what you sort of can anticipate Both sides sort of arguing. Sure so you know unless there is some sort of break in the negotiations You know and some sort of agreement is made whereby titus can be removed His family lawyer was saying that there was a chance that they might be able to find another hospital. System Medical Facility that might take titus on on a transfer to perform the tracheostomy and the feeding tube and then after that then he could then be moved to the long term care facility. And I think that's what they're sort of hoping four right now But unless there's some sort of break in the negotiations or unless there's some sort of deal made they'll be a court hearing on on November fourteenth that morning in the judge's Chambers where some decision will have to be made and I don't really know exactly what will be made what decision what come of it but something we'll have to happen and and as a reporter I mean how do you separate yourself from from the the emotional part of it to get to the meat of the issues that are involved in in a case such as this. It's really hard. I mean you look at his face and you know I have kids. I have a teenager at home too and I think about what I might want to do or might feel in a situation like this and it's a hard thing to do you to remove yourself but we really can't let ourselves go there because it would make doing this job impossible because there are stories like these in every community you know maybe we not this particular case in which there's a person who's been declared brain dead in the family disagrees with that judgement but certainly difficult decisions and hard stories. Stories and emotional stories are written every day and every community in America and if if journalists got to tied to them we'd we'd never be able to keep doing our work. Yeah yeah absolutely I I clearly have been in some of these situations as well and and so it is very hard to to deal with A death or someone who is on life support so I certainly understand where you're coming from there in terms of have you done any sort of research about nationally How these situations are are handled in in carried out? Yeah so it's interesting thing. There have been other cases like this And generally speaking you know they end differently depending on the court and what is decided in case. She wasn't declared granddad she was in a vegetative state which is different And in her case the judge allowed the feeding tube. You've to be removed in the case. That just happened here at Arbor with Bobby Ray s You know the venue. Those voyeur here who was initially representing the family very first attorney that the rest family Hired filed court action in the wrong ZANU and so it ended up being that the judge who was hearing his case didn't have the authority to make any determination and because of that that led to him being removed from life support. If if the lawyer had instead filed in State Court of claims the outcome might have been different on on so it was sort of like a a legal. Mix Up that led to that decision But there is some literature in Clinical Studies There was a study in the Journal of Neurology about a thirteen year. Old Girl in California Her name was John He. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correct correctly John mcmath Bass and she was declared brain dead in two thousand thirteen She had tonsilectomy Adenoid ECTOMY and sinus surgery. And and after those surgeries there were complications and she ended up. You know not having enough let circulation to the brain and she was declared brain dead What's it's interesting about? This one is is that there are a lot of parallels to titus his case because Johnny's family also said she was not dead because of her beating heart and her movement movement in response to touch and titus. His mother has also said that he has moved hand You know when when she's there visiting him from time to time On Johnny's family also sought a court order to keep her on life support and they eventually found a place to move her for a long term care but they also needed the surgeon to place the tracheostomy tube in the feeding tube Somehow all of that got done and she was moved to an undisclosed Rehab Center. Where does she lived for about four years until doctors finally said that her liver had stopped functioning and and then she died the question China's whether she had been dead all that time and it had just been her body that was still around and functioning because of the machines or whether she it was officially dead for years later? And and that's there's some debate they're a death certificate was initially issued for her back in twenty fourteen eighteen soon after she had had the the tonsilectomy and had adverse reaction but the family's lawyer told CNN that he was working to to change her death certificate so that it said June twenty second twenty eighteen. So it's interesting You know it's sparked a lot of discussion about how much time hospitals should give families of patients who've been declared brain dead before living life support There aren't any real clinical guidelines. About how how much time should be given because every family is a little bit different. You know It's a challenge. I think you know for for hospital systems and for doctors to try to deal with the situation. Sure and that sort of me to my next question because it appears from what. You're telling me that that that this varies In a wide a wide spectrum and so where will there be Some sort of uniform uniformity in sort of what is declared brain dead or not sure so the guidelines for what is and what isn't brain dead are actually pretty clear because of that determination of death statute in Michigan. So you know. It's those two things that have to happen. There has to be that cessation irreversible cessation of circulation. Let me see if I can find specifically quickly what it has an. I can read it to you that you get the full description. Okay so under the law it says to determine brain death individual individual who has sustained either one of the following shoe is dead irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory function and irreversible cessation of all function of the entire brain including the brain stem. And so those are the two requirements and what Belmont Hospital saying that their evaluations titus indicate indicate that both of those are true. And so so. So you're a people are in a a position where the hospital can say one thing and you're discovering other things and so it appears as if titus of sort of in a gray great area. I'm not sure I mean it's hard I. I'm not an expert to say all I can say is what what the hospital system is saying and what this other independent doctors saying are different. Okay and I'm and I'm not really in place to to judge just to report. Sure sure sure. And so Obviously you talked about The case coming up next week. How long long do you think this will go on? And sort of described in a little bit more what What will what can happen in the next In this process. Sure so the next court hearing would be November fourteenth In Oakland County Circuit Court and the question is whether the judge will well decide to have amok continue to keep him on life support or allow Beaumont to remove that life support or make other some other determination the middle such as you know they have to allow it other doctor to come. In to perform the tracheostomy and the feeding tube insertion or perhaps APPs say Beaumont I bow. My doctor has to do with themselves or perhaps they none of that applies but I I have a feeling something. We'll probably happen happen by November fourteenth. Okay and As we get ready to wrap up Sort of Gimme your final thoughts on you're on what's going on here and And then while we're talking about also give listeners your information nations-led that they can reach you and discuss this issue further absolutely so You know my my overall thoughts are just. This is an an incredibly sad story. So it's a sad sad case and certainly we hope that nobody else has to experience it and go through what this family is going through and then from I'm from the hospital perspective to to be you know in kind of in the middle of this and being on this this in a situation where they can't because of privacy laws On speak about it. You know that's that's a challenge to. It's just kind of how it is And certainly if people WanNa talk to me now or at any point about this story or other stories are welcome to reach out to me. It's a free press My email addresses K.. SHAIMAA AT FREE PRESS DOT Com. I'm on twitter. You can follow me at Kristen. Shameless list Or you can look for my my stories on the website. Okay well thank you kristen. We appreciate you spending a little bit of time talking about this important case and we'll definitely keep an eye on what's going on Roseau excellent Darren thank you and and this is another edition beyond the headlines. We thank you for listening this week. And we leave beyond the headlines. We'd like to always leave you with an inspirational uh-huh quote to ponder for the next show. This one comes from Susan L. Taylor in every crisis there is a message crisis. This is our nature's way of forcing change breaking down old structures shaking loose negative habits so that something new and better it can take their place until next time. We'll see you on beyond the headlines.
Detroit Has A Winery Plus 8 Things To Know Around Detroit
"This is an update addition of your daily Detroit reported on Monday, March nineteenth two thousand nineteen. I'm spend Gus and I'm Jerry stays sure. What to know where to go and metro-detroit on this last official day of winter. I will applaud that in honor of upcoming spring. Let's just get right into it. Here's a piece of late breaking news as we record this podcast. Beaumont health has announced that they intend to build a new one hundred forty million dollar hospital at the southeast corner of Lapeer road and market street in Oxford the hospital if approved would have one hundred seventeen beds, the Michigan certificate of need commission who regulates number of hospital beds in the state recently identified Oxford as a limited access area community. Meaning it doesn't have enough beds serve the population. The most two hundred twenty five thousand square foot facility would be five stories tall. If approved construction would start in the next two years. This is also notable as there has been an ongoing debate. Whether or not the region needs more hospital beds and health systems have attempting to open more beds in northern Oakland County for awhile mclearn health recently, tried to build a hospital there and was denied and the Henry Ford health system intended to file an application for Ospel in the same area. But now they're application will be delayed until June as they didn't file with the need commission. Die. Time that gives Beaumont a leg up in the process. We've talked about car insurance rates more than a few times here on daily Detroit. But usually from a city and statewide perspective as in Michigan has the highest car insurance rates in the country and nowhere worse than here. In Detroit now congresswoman receipted to Leib, the democrat from southwest Detroit is proposing a Bill that would tackle the issue from a national perspective Bill would block insurers nationwide from using someone's credit history when setting auto rates, she says that an analysis found that adults single drivers in Michigan with good credit scores and clean driving records were charged more than four hundred dollars on average more for auto coverage than those with an excellent score. The congresswoman later tweeted that auto insurance companies should base their rates on driver's record and history and not on a formula that hurts low income communities, though, her Bill has twenty five cosponsors there's been no single from Democratic Party leadership that they're willing to take this one up. Three local nonprofits have been awarded five hundred ten thousand dollars and technical support to provide help for Detroiters looking for jobs. The program is funded by the city foundation and the local initiatives support corporation or Lisk. It's called the bridges to career opportunities initiative and will serve about six hundred families in Detroit. The majority of people who enter the bridges program are either unemployed or working in minimum wage jobs and test somewhere between a six an eighth grade education level after bridges more than three quarters of participants move onto occupational skills training and sixty four percent achieve industry recognized credentials. So think of this as an on ramp to jobs that people can actually earn enough to live off of the new funding in Detroit is part of a ten million dollar three year national effort. File this one under T? I L Detroit has its own winery. It's called Detroit vineyards, and according to Crain's Detroit business it's opening a tasting room in the old Stroh's ice cream building on grass at avenue this spring, Detroit. Vineyard already makes wine at the facility, which is attached to Detroit city distillery, but the new tasting room aims to open may third and be open seven days a week Detroit. Vineyards isn't new was actually founded in twenty fourteen by a university of Michigan business professor and an experienced winemaker who's worked at wineries in California Australia in here in Michigan the company sources its grapes from growers mostly in west Michigan. But also in Detroit where it planted two acres in two thousand fifteen its current lineup. Includes Riesling Chardonnay, cabernet, franc Rosa and a cabernet sauvignon, plus a dry, Motorcity Mead. You can find their offerings at stores, including house. Of pure Plum, Mark market out in in Arbor, subpoena pizzeria and slows barbecue on their website. I was interested to see Jair that they said read along the Detroit river hosts, an excellent micro-climate for growing grapes. That has roots in history. If you remember, yes, they all have a quote from from Cadillac, right? Because if you think about all the streets, especially on the east side the were built around ribbon farms, this is super nerdy. But the idea French farming was you have a little plot of land along the riverfront that then brings water miles inland. If you look at a lot of streets on the side of Detroit the actually reflect the Olbermann farms excited to try some Detroit one. I mean, it's easy to say don't have high hopes for. But these guys seem to know what they're doing. Bad news for baseball fans. The Tigers ace pitcher Michael fomer has been recommended for season ending Tommy John surgery to reconstruct, the ligaments and the elbow of his right throwing arm in a statement. The Tigers said Fulmer began to feel soreness in his right elbow following a bullpen session during grapefruit league play the pitcher underwent an MRI and got a second opinion from a doctor, and is now seeking a third opinion recovery from the surgery should he get it typically lasts at least a year Fulmer was named the 2016 American League rookie of the year. But he suffered a series of injuries the past two seasons. Detroit was reportedly hoping he could serve as trade bait to help the team rebuild this season. Do you like what you're hearing? Well, you can be a part of keeping a going. That's right. You can support us on patriae at Petri on dot com slash daily, Detroit. We have some cooler awards for inst-, including some swanky stickers. Everybody loves stickers. You can slap them on your laptop and show your pride in listening to daily Detroit, only four bucks a month. Here's a story. Definitely relevant to my personal interests eater Detroit reports that a new Mexican bar and restaurant called peso plans to open its doors on Bagley in the space, formerly occupied by the Huron room. And the short lived fist of curry. The ownership team is the same one behind Toma, Detroit, which is a tequila bar concept that one a hatch Detroit grant plans to open that bar on Michigan avenue in cork town. We featured the winners of that round including Toma Detroit on this podcast last summer. So expect plenty of Margaritas and tequila based cocktails at peso, plus manufa of tacos tortoise and burritos. Span who doesn't love Legos what my boy certainly do. And I love Legos too. But it's not fun when you step on them in a dark house. I'll tell you that. No, not at all. Well, here's some good news about Legos, the Grand Hotel on mackinac island, one of Michigan's most iconic places may soon have a LEGO version. Yes, you could build your own version of the one hundred thirty two year old hotel in your living room. There's a campaign on Lego's website to have a Grand Hotel kit that will be sold in retail stores. The proposed seven hundred ten piece LEGO set was designed by Dr David Lorge. He previously built a nine foot model of the grand for the hotel's one hundred thirty th anniversary ten thousand people must back the design in order for it to get made. You can vote by going to ideas that LEGO dot com. And of course, we'll have a link in the show notes. People who live near Detroit's popular commercial areas and entertainment venues have been fueling the parking pinch lately, specifically out of city visitors coming and parking for free and neighborhoods. And then when residents get home, there's no or left for them to park to help deal with this. New ordinance has been proposed to create a new simpler process for residents to create residential parking permits zones on a block by block basis. The ordinance proposed by council member Racquel kosten yet. Lopez and council president pro tem Mary Sheffield would require sixty percent of all residences to sign petitions in support of creating the residential parking permits zone. Once established fifty percent of residents must sign up for the permit in order for his own to become active. The ordinance would allow residents to apply for up to three passes and thirty annual visitors passes. In addition seniors residents that receive a partial or complete property tax. Exemption will be eligible for a discount. Parking zones aren't a new thing in the US or Michigan. But they may face some push-back in a place where the car is considered king. I could see a lot of angry people online about this people who've been freeloading parking spots near like Little Caesars arena or something like that it points to the need dare, I say it again for more robust robust public transportation because it's getting harder and harder. As Detroit gets more popular and busier and more filled in with buildings, frankly, traffic is going to become a bigger and bigger and bigger issue. Well, this is already an issue a couple years ago in the art center when I lived there being near Woodward. Oh, yeah. DIA all that stuff that we had to fight him off all the time. We went to the cat video festival at the Detroit film theatre. It was awesome parking was whole horrendous. It was so hard to find a spot. And I it was the same thing. I thought man I wish that there was this an easy way to go over to Woodward hop down, you know, take a train down here. Whatever. And boom, you're here. One piece of news we kind of coasted by. But is rather interesting. And I wanted to talk about it is that the city of Detroit's restaurant inspections are now online you're now able to see for the first time establishment by establishment. The most recent inspection results and just how bad or good. The results are the city has three types of violations, and it'll be honest. It's kind of confusing priority violations are the most serious category. Those include violations that directly contribute to foodborne illness or food poisoning. So called priority foundation violations are those that indirectly contribute to illness or food poisoning and Lee serious are what they call core violations. They don't significantly contribute to food borne illness or food poisoning think dirty floors or a dirty dumpster out back. And again, this is just all really confusing. So I totally understand if you haven't followed this. We will have a linked to these ratings and the show notes for you. But to me it raises another question, especially. Because this is confusing. Should we consider like some cities do public letter grades on the door for a stab movements as opposed to bearing this in the corner of like a pretty buried away government website cities, like LA and New York US letter grades as well as more than sixty other governments including the state of South Carolina. There are critics of this usually from the hospitality industry who say that. It's just a snapshot in time, but others point out in courage his behavior because the great is public. Then maybe it's because I've watched way too, many episodes of shows involving Gordon Ramsay, and I'm pretty particular. But I think this might be a good idea. Yeah. I mean, I'm in favor of anything that the raises transparency around that issue restaurant. Sanitation is important. I mean, I'm thinking about the old komo's a hate to kind of drag them through the mud again. But they have new ownership. Just they're totally under new ownership not yet open. But they're making a lot of progress. I got a new facade on the on the building actually right now. But they had some frankly disgusting health. Owed violations that shut them down fair period time. And frankly is the first time I read about him. I think online somewhere I stopped going there because I was just grossed out. I'm like, I don't I'm not no gross just fundamental stuff that you wonder how they overlooked also point out that I so I I grew up out in in Arbor, and I'm old enough to remember, my my parents used to get the news which back in the day was an after noon newspaper that people forget that used to be thing you two morning papers there after noon paper like we're an afternoon podcast. Yes. They used to print the health department restaurant inspections in the paper. So you could read up on who's running foul of sensation loss. Well, even if they don't make these door grades that are that are easily visible seen when you go and visit the restaurant, these descriptions, are frankly confusing. I mean, you're gonna have a priority violation and then a priority foundation violation and then like a core. That means nothing to normal people. They should completely rename these letter grids gonna do. Jerry. What's this? You cheating us, man. I heard you run another podcast last night. What gifts healty sharp-edged? I was another podcast recorded an episode of IT and the talking tech, and Detroit and podcasting and all those things can find that over at IT and the d dot com. Joy, we joined by our friend, Mary go Gye Bob day from podcast right there. Kind of the flagship of the podcast attract network. So it was fun to hang out with those guys on Monday night. Feel like I feel neglected spouse. Here man. With that. I'm spend Gustafsen. Thanks so much for listening. And I'm Jerry stays take care of each other. We'll see you around a Troy. You're listening to a podcast Detroit network. Visit WWW dot podcast Detroit dot com for more information. Super tasty. That sounds creepy amended that out. Super tasty. On the end.
Morons: Paying the price of beauty... 4-29-20
"Bob and Sheri you here they are. He's a Moron Complete Idiots aurons in the news sorta short and sweet with our first more on in the news story here. There's a guy in Florida. He lives in an apartment and his neighbors noticed that he had a doormat. Said come back with a warrant. He was just caught with drugs and the cop showed up with warrant searches apartment. A well you can't say they don't follow directions. That's Today's more of the day is a moron for these times A couple of women in Texas and the rate of taxes were arrested after undercover. Police pulled a sting operation on their illicit lockdown beauty salon operation that they were running out of their own. Ana Isabel Castro Garcia and Brenda Stephanie. Mata were running treatments. Despite strict stay in orders they were targeting customers and potential customers on social media. One woman said Yeah I did it. I was running a nail salon inside my house promoting it on social media and the other was told COPS. Yeah you got me coppers. I was learning in Irish service inside my home. Undercover police went to get their nails and their eyelashes done and then plus tip both women and took them to the Web County jail. They've been charged with violation of emergency management plans. Which is misdemeanor. They're both facing about one hundred and eighty days in jail. And that's just that's just the legal consequences I mean. Can you imagine the health consequences? If either one of them had the virus or any of their costumers virus. If if my wife were the undercover cop I think she would let the woman do her nails completely and then arrester. Now I have to point out that just a couple of days after these. Two women were arrested in Laredo for their undercover nail an eyelash businesses a Texas mayor. Beaumont Mirror Beckoning got caught wearing a face mask with their hand soaking in acetone at a place called the Nail Bar. She said quote. I should never have entered the salon. Last Tuesday didn't intend to take personal privilege while asking others to sacrifice for that. I am truly remorseful. What if she didn't intend to? What were her intentions? You now sometimes. Walking along and you trip and your hand falls into a bowl of acid full set of acrylics. Text the word. Boron to eighty two six two seven four three seven. We'll send today's more on of the day directly to your phone and you will be automatically registered to win a bottle of our very own Bob and Cherry and sanitizer which we create it back in November when this was all just a twinkle in. Somebody's I it's called people. Make me sick. You're GONNA love it. Bob She was the she was kind of politician where the mayor of she is the mayor of Beaumont Texas. Sometimes you know politicians. You think that they're always on their toes but they're not always rod to Santa's is the governor of Florida and he referred to Florida God's waiting room the other day. I know there are elderly wire and I've heard that expression before. But Oh my goodness if you're the governor of the state why would you say that if you're the elderly residents you know the drill? You don't need to be reminded of it like that. I know exactly. A copy of New York was chasing a suspect on foot. This was last Saturday. And he dropped the keys to his patrol car. A twenty eight year old woman. She's twenty eight. She's not fifteen twenty eight year old woman named Cassie Moses picked up the officer's car keys and thought it would be fun to take the troll car for a joyride and so she stole it. She didn't get that far because she somehow managed to get caught in traffic. Evidently traffic does exists. Which here's the thing you have a siren and lights. Why if you're taking the car for a joyride through. I am so cooped up in bed. If somebody dropped a set of keys for police cruiser I would take it on a joyride. She couldn't figure out I I was just going to tell you. She couldn't figure out how to get the siren to talk to jump the gun. That was her. No poor. No but what you just said. That's that's what everybody would do right the siren into lights. I don't know how the I don't know where the button to turn a siren on. Police cars either button. It says Siren. I there it is ladies and gentlemen your fellow. Americans this is Bob and Sheri.
What Were Learning About Coronavirus From Infected Patients, According To A Beaumont Doctor
"Despite what's the articles out of China early on we're seeing forty and fifty year old needing oxygen having worsening lung involvement and then those patients are the ones sometimes being put on ventilators which is not consistent with the original information? That's doctor Joel. Fish Bane an infectious disease specialist with Beaumont. Hospital Grosse Pointe who you'll hear more from later and this is your daily Detroit for Tuesday March Twenty Fourth Twenty twenty. I'm Harris Day's coming at you from our Home Studio in Detroit's North End and I'm spend Gustafsen broadcasting from my enhanced basement office setup in Ferndale. We're practicing safe social distancing podcasting because things are getting very serious with the corona virus friends. Both of us know people who have been seriously sickened and even killed by Kobe. Nineteen I learn about someone just before we started recording. Then yeah I know this stuff is getting heavy for sure if you haven't already done so it's time to take this very seriously if we're going to minimize the spread of this dangerous virus not prevent it just minimize it. Then we have to take it deadly seriously. Take the Governor. Stay at home order seriously. She didn't issue it lightly. It has major impact. But it's important. There's nothing more important than our health and safety. At this point stay away from groups of people. Wipe Down Your computer your mobile phone your TV remote anything that you handle often with sanitizing wipes. I did that first thing this morning and please pay attention to good sources of information right fan like the CDC the State of Michigan's Corona Virus Website Hospital systems or the World Health Organization. And of course we are firmly committed to helping shut corona virus down so we can all get back to our friends our family and our work and hopefully something approaching normal Detroit. Police Department has seen. Its first Kobe. Nineteen death a thirty eight year. Old Call taker with no preconditions died Monday. His name was being held until his family is notified. The victim had apparently traveled out of state on vacation and came back with the virus. He passed away in a suburban hospital. Detroit Mayor Mike. Duggan says that due to the shortage of testing capacity. There was a forty five day delay in getting the results which the city received only after his death. Two Hundred Eighty two Detroit police department employees are now in quarantine as this recording with nine confirmed corona virus cases. This call taker victim worked in the Emergency Communications Operations Center so the Department moved to their backup center so the main facility could get a deep cleaning their new social distancing and screening rules in effect for businesses and Oakland County per a new order by county executive David Coulter the rules impact the small number of businesses that are deemed essential and still have employees working on site as well as places like grocery stores. The order takes effect Wednesday at noon. It requires businesses to have a daily screening program for all staff including questions about possible symptoms such as fever cough or shortness of breath and employees have traveled domestically or internationally in the past fourteen days. The employees could be required to stay home for up to fourteen days depending on the answer. Businesses also need to manage and control social and physical distancing with at least six foot spacing for employees and customers waiting in lines within or outside businesses need to use visual markings limit building capacity and post the new protocol at the business entrance of this as the State of Michigan on Tuesday increase. The overall number of confirmed Cova nineteen cases in Michigan. To Seventeen hundred ninety one. That's a jump of thirty five percent from Monday's numbers alone. Number of deaths was up to twenty four compared to fifteen a day ago. We've also learned that Henry Ford Health System on Tuesday reported having one hundred seventy inpatients across. It's five hospitals who have tested positive for Cova nineteen. That number is almost double what it was just a day ago when it had eighty six and we tip our hats on that one to mark cabinet of the Oakland press who posted about that on twitter. Our guest today is on the front lines fighting against the corona virus. Dr Joel Fish. Pain is an infectious disease specialist at Beaumont Hospital. In Grosse Pointe. He spoke with Sven earlier today. The most recent numbers posted on Beaumont's website suggested as yesterday There were three hundred thirty three patients who had tested positive for Kobe. Nineteen and are currently admitted in Beaumont. Hospital nearly the same number of positive corona virus cases were apparently healthy enough to be sent home. Dr Fish Bain Beaumont CEO. John Fox had published an extraordinary blog post last week on Friday in which he said in part that you guys have converted much of the entire health system over to corona virus screening testing and treatment. Give us a sense of what's happening inside. Beaumont hospitals today with this new reality nothing. Nothing's going on. No I'm just kidding. Okay so obviously we've had set up isolation wards where we put all of the patients who are coded or Kovic suspected infected. We've had to use tremendous amounts of resources for math gowns gloves. Etcetera are I use or full of covert patients? We've had to expand our ICU. Capacity as of other institutions that have you know smaller intensive care unit so elective procedures as you know have been curtailed at this point To make way for the resources that are necessary so a lot of changes have gone by senior leadership to make sure that we have the ability to provide care for these patients if needed So with three hundred thirty. Three patients admitted. I'm sure that number probably will go up when the numbers are updated for today. How is that comparing with your capacity to care for these Kobe nineteen patients. Well I only work at Grosse Pointe so we have roughly around two hundred bed hospital and we are able to keep all of these patients at least currently on one four and still have some ability to care for other patients on the other floors and keep them separate. The intensive care units has become obviously more of a challenge. Is these patients get sicker in the end up needing ventilators support that actually becomes a greater challenge for space and capacity then really just regular patients. We keep hearing about Shortages in supplies of personal protective equipment surgical masks and especially ventilators What's the situation on the ground at Beaumont? In Grosse Pointe so I actually don't participate too much on the calls each morning for the critical care team but I know we have been laters available up to a point. I can't give you a number. I don't know those numbers. We do have some space for a few more patients who would need to be integrated you know put on later so right now we would not they were close to any additional ventilated patients as far as the other resources and equipment. We're kind of holding our own obviously the N. Ninety five mask related issue is a countrywide issue not a local issue and everybody is struggling to maintain a sufficient supply of the end ninety five now which is why they're asking people not to buy them or turn them in if they have them and We're just waiting. I guess for the production line and the supply system to be able to catch up to demand but that is the biggest challenge is making sure that all facilities have sufficient and ninety five masks for protection of the healthcare providers. What about testing kits We've heard an awful lot about The shortage in tests for people who think they may have the the corona virus. We are doing in house testing through A company and I have not been on any of the conference calls lately to hear about any shortages currently or if we were going to have problems with continuing testing That's a good question last week. There was the potential of maybe a few weeks of available reagents et CETERA. But I'm hoping that they have solved that problem because next week would be the potential crunch time for maintaining sufficient reagents and test kits to be able to continue the kind of volume testing. That we're doing. It is really wonderful. We're getting our test turnaround times in less than twenty four hours. So you know. We're very happy with our laboratory and all the work that they have have put in to get us up and running. They are to be really commended and applauded for their efforts and it has been a tremendous help to us so that we can immediately get these people identified and treated if needed so so far. You're keeping up with the demand for testing. Is that what you're saying though far? We're good with the demand protesting. Okay we know. The main symptoms of Corona virus fever cough shortness of breath. Are Doctors Learning anything new or unexpected about corona virus from the patients that you're seeing so farming for example? We've been hearing one of the newest things as we talked about it on our show yesterday. Some people are reporting a loss of ability to smell or taste foods or or beverage and I've also heard that some people you know. They're fever and their symptoms seem to go away for awhile but then they come back and sort of greater force. Are you seeing those kinds of things or anything else? So all I can tell you is based on experience that none of this should be considered scientific evidence or accumulative data with peer review evaluation. So this is just sort of our experience here you know. We're seeing patients with mild symptoms. Like people are reporting who have been able to go home with no treatment and recovered covered. We're seeing people who are getting more shorter breath and require oxygen but what is different. I would say is despite what the articles said out of China early on we're seeing forty and fifty year olds needing oxygen having worsening lung involvement and then those patients are the ones sometimes being put on ventilators which is not kind of consistent with the original information but I do have a feeling. We're going to hear more and more from other places like Seattle New York that their experiences the same as far as other symptoms. We were a little surprised recently about this robust diarrhea. That patients are getting they report really profound diarrhea multiple liquid bowel movements on a daily basis. And that was not really expected but clearly is consistent. The terrible terrible muscle and joint pains people just horribly in pain. Even to the point that they can't breathe because they're chester. It's from the pain so that's a little bit interesting to see in some of our patients and then the other thing is so many say that food just as horrible. The smell is awful. They don't Wanna eat anything it just. It has a very bad taste and they're not eating and drinking very much. Nothing is appealing so yes that is correct. There probably losing sense of smell because as you know taste and smell do go together anyway and they are really reporting just horrible. Appetite and food just makes them sick. Many people are still sort of dismissing cove in nineteen as just another form of the flu would you say to that I would in their vault part to be honest early on but now. I'm a believer that this is more than just the flu and it more than just the flu. Because of what appears to be the sheer infectivity I know that the experts and epidemiology are still trying to calculate what the number of infections occur per exposure. What they call the are not value. And everybody of sure you're aware of reports measles as being fourteen to fifteen which means for every case of measles you get a case you get fourteen to fifteen additional cases. You know the number that this disease is going to come out to be is still unknown but it is truly amazing. How people can be congregated at a birthday party or a celebration and so many are coming in sick over same period of time so it is clearly a very infectious process and disease. And we're also dismayed at the number of young people and I say young in their forties and fifties who end up with bad respiratory failure on the ventilators and they don't come off quickly so they're staying on the ventilator for a long period of time which means you can't move them out of the intensive care unit quickly though. These are all things that I don't believe that anybody really predicted or thought coming and now we're all believers what kinds of steps are your clinical staff taking to Try to safeguard against transmitting corona virus. Both to one another and to other patients in the hospital right so I mean a standard infection control practices you know obviously include handwashing hand washing hand washing and that would include the alcohol based hand hygiene product. So those were important. We're using math gowns and gloves. And we're not using them between patients and so that helps to prevent carriage on our clothing. We're making sure that our healthcare workers are not at all thick if they do think they're sick They are to stay home. And if they had an exposure they have a we have a process by which they monitor very closely their symptoms. They can work after exposure. But they're supposed to monitor their symptoms extremely closely so we're all keeping our distance. We're all doing what we need to do. And so far you know knock on wood. We're doing pretty well as I think. Most hospitals probably are lastly. Dr Fish Been. We've seen reports of people taking some kind of unconventional anti-malarial medications that have gained currency as a possible cure for corona virus Is that a good idea. So if you're asking me said the average individual contact their providers to get a prescription for Hydroxy Corcoran. Zits reminds take at the first sign of fever. I would say absolutely not. And there's a couple reasons. And so the long answer would be that first of all the data clinically driving. This treatment. Train is really kind of limited. But we're going to get more information after. This is all over the culture data in the test tube would suggest that hydroxy Corcoran INCORP when work? Well and the addition of the zits remind thin. Probably I'm guessing has an anti inflammatory effect but it is very clear that there is a lot of inflammation in the lungs from this virus and the question is whether those two drugs really do the viral replication and shorten the disease and limit the complications. Or is it anti inflammatory and again you know the dust has settled at this point but we have to caution people. These two drugs have an impact on the heart conduction system and there are people who are maybe putting themselves at risk for a complication which could include death. So where would not advise people to take this combination of pills without the doctor being very careful with the prescription and advising as well as understanding the patient and potential risks. But until somebody tells me you know these drugs work beautifully and everybody should take it. We're trying to be very judicious with the use. We are giving it to people who look like they're going to get worse and have high levels of risk factors for getting worse but everybody is definitely not getting this combination of drugs because of this part related issue are there any You know over the counter drugs or anything like that at that have proved effective in at least know managing symptoms or anything like that through then. No I think a lot of in our years of experience you know we talk about simple things. Good nutrition people talk about think with shortening the course of the common cold Melatonin has been thrown out there as an anti inflammatory and as an explanation of why very young children don't seem to get super sick from this is because of the Melatonin levels in children. So there's a lot of rumblings out there about over the counter you know we would recommend obviously a feat. Amena thin or Tylenol It looks like the. Who the World Health Organization has removed that cautionary note about the non steroidal agents. Like Ibuprofen. And I think patients can you know. Get the sense themselves which one they want to use. They can ask their doctor. If there's any updated information but you know keeping the fever down keeping the aches down getting up walking around the house making sure. They're coughing deep breathing. And if they get short of breath comfort evaluation. But it's going to probably prove that most people could stay home and take these drugs for symptomatic treatment but as far as one preference over the other you know. We just don't know all right well. Great Information Dr Joel. Fish Bane is infectious. Disease specialist at Beaumont. Grosse Pointe Doctor Fishman. Thanks so much for Sharon all your with us. We appreciate it. Thank you for the invitation. And Good luck as I mentioned Jerry Beaumont. Ceo John Fox published a really extraordinary blog post on the health systems website as part of their ongoing corona virus information campaign. The headline is healthcare's looming financial implosion. And let me just read the introductory paragraph. I just noticed this today. He writes as American Hospital Systems. Have rapidly shifted their operations to screen test and treat patients infected with Dacoven nineteen virus an immediate health care. Financial Crisis is looming. It will be large and come on faster than people expected and could cripple the core of America's hospital systems during this pandemic now Fox goes onto explain that Beaumont stands to lose as much as two billion dollars of its overall five billion dollars in annual revenue because of the fact that it's shifting so many resources away from things like surgery imaging and other procedures that are high revenue items to lower revenue from admitting patients who test positive for cove nineteen and have really complicated medical needs. Faulk says there's no way. The health system can absorb that kind of loss on its narrow operating margin and cash reserves. So what he says is needed. He thinks the federal government needs to establish a hospital system. Superfund totaling between three hundred billion and six hundred billion dollars to allow hospital systems to draw down payments to offset lost revenue. He argues the program. Quote will become crystal clear as we move into April and begin the real surge from the pandemic and quote Those are some pretty scary word Sven yet. Another massive economic impact from this corona virus. I mean it's it's the scale. The thing in terms of its economic impact is almost too big to put your head around frankly in related news. Beaumont has put out the call for donations of medical supplies. Money and equipment. They're coordinating donations through the Beaumont. Service Center in Southfield. We'll put a link to more information as well as to see John Fox blog post in the show notes speaking of donations. The governor's office has made a direct requests for donations of supplies. The items most needed in the state now. Our hospital gowns ventilators sanitizer gloves surgical masks and ninety five and one hundred masks and no touch. Thermometers donations can be directed to the Michigan Community Service Commission by email at Cova nineteen donations at Michigan Dot Gov or by phone at five one seven three three five four two nine five. That's five one seven three three five four two nine five. Of course I will put a link to all of this in the show notes Jerem. Meanwhile there's some extraordinary news from Lansing This would have been you know up at the top of the show in any normal time but of course. These aren't normal times Michigan Attorney General. Dana Nessel has filed criminal corruption charges against mccomb county prosecutor. Eric Smith and three others a criminal complaint. Alleges that Smith set up and used for secret bank accounts fed by county money for his personal benefit and for gifts to curry favor from others. The charges also target Benjamin. Listen a retired mccomb. County Assistant Prosecutor and former chief of operations. Derek Miller counter the county is current assistant prosecutor and Chief of operations and businessman William Weber the owner of a Security Business Smith faces ten counts including five counts of embezzlement and a single count of conducting a criminal. Enterprise that's the most serious charge and it carries a maximum twenty year prison sentence. The investigation stems from an external audit of mccomb county's financial records in two thousand sixteen it found irregularities with a mysterious bank account managed by the prosecutor's office that didn't appear on the county's ledger. The Michigan State. Police later launched an investigation. It found that Smith had control over four separate accounts fed by money from seizures drug and alcohol fines and other funds. But we're outside of county oversight mccomb county executive Mark Hackel eventually filed a complaint with the Attorney General's Office the Criminal Complaint Alleges that Smith continually refused to transfer the accounts to county treasurer Lawrence Raga. He eventually turned over. Four checks totaling around two hundred thirty thousand dollars and a note from Chemical Bank saying the accounts had been closed but no account statements. Investigators estimate that around six hundred thousand dollars was embezzled. Through these accounts Smith has worked in the prosecutor's Office since Nineteen ninety-three and was elected prosecutor in two thousand. Four Nestle said it could be up to either governor Gretchen Whitmer or the mccomb county board of Commissioners to Remove Smith from office. The latter panel happens to be chaired by Smith's brother Bob Smith or everyone. That was a lot of heavy stuff the last bit on the show but I want to close with something. 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The Coronavirus Is Probably Coming To Michigan. Here Are Some Practical Tips.
"We begin with breaking news about the corona virus. All of Italy. A country of sixty million people is now effectively a red zone tonight. Texas Senator Ted Cruz said he will self quarantine the predictions about the catastrophe. That is the corona virus. Get more ominous by the day. Michigan still has no confirmed cases of the corona virus or covert nineteen as we record this. But it's almost inevitable it'll come to our state and frankly there's good information out there around it but there's lots of noise and not a ton of signal so we turn to some smart people to help us make sense of it all today. We do a deep dive on what the dangers are from Corona virus with an infectious disease expert from Beaumont health plus how to help prevent the spread. Then some practical tips to help you work from home from freelance marketing expert. Latasha James and finally what the impact on the economy could be as it stands. Today that's all coming up on your daily Detroit for Tuesday March Tenth Twenty Twenty. I'm spend Gustafsen and I'm Jewish days before we get started a quick. Thank you to our members for making shows like this possible. Your support is crucial to keep independent. Smart Media Making podcasts. Like this one so join us at Patriotair dot com slash daily Detroit. And thank you all right before we get into this. Just want to reiterate. There are currently no confirmed corona virus cases here in Michigan as of this recording. Although that could certainly change at a moment's notice as of March ninth thirty nine people in Michigan had tested negative for the virus in one hundred twenty. Four we're still being monitored. Tests are pending on twenty four people. Common symptoms of the Corona virus are fever cough and shortness of breath. They may appear anywhere from two to fourteen days after exposure. It's believed to spread mostly through respiration droplets when someone coughs or nieces on Tuesday. The State of Michigan said it's Medicaid Program would wave copays all cost sharing for testing for corona virus and a number of health insurance and health providers have said they will cover corona tests in full waving all co pays and deductibles include. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan priority health. Cvs Health McLaren and Meridian Health as we mentioned yesterday on our show the city of Detroit Water and Sewage Department and State are working to stop water shut offs from happening and turn city residents water back on the water turn. On's will be paid for with state dollars all right. We turn to a medical expert to help us get a better sense of what to make of all this hubbub around Corona Virus Dr Matthew Sims Director of Infectious Disease Research at Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak. And before we get into that conversation just want to be transparent and much. You know that I do some freelance writing for Beaumont. Health all right. Here's our conversation with Dr. Since Dr Sims a lot of people are kind of brushing off corona virus saying you know this is no big deal. It's just know slightly more potent form of the flu but this is. Everything's giant overreaction. Being fueled by a lot of media hype are they right. You know just like anything else. It's not that simple corona virus I. It's not the flu. It's a completely different virus. He's a respiratory virus. It affects the lungs just like the flu does and right. Now it's spreading. It's mostly in China till now but it's taking off around the world more and in certain countries worse than others And it's here in the US. Of course so people are worried like most strains of the flue. It seems to affect older people more unlike the flu. It does not seem to affect young kids very much worries. People is. It's new right so this lose kind of like an old friend. We're used to it. Despite the fact that doctors and health officials constantly warn people that you really need to get the flu shot to help reduce the risk of getting the flu to prevent the spread of flu in the population. It's still an underutilized deck scene. Because you know people sort of underestimate the flu. Everybody knows it's always there. People remember SARS which was another quote virus which luckily enough they were able to end latte outbreak and that had lots of people on ventilators higher mortality than this does. And but it was. It was scary. That was sort of the first of the respiratory outbreaks in recent memory. The reaction of fear is sort of understandable. Do we need to be quite as aggressive about is we are well. Everything we're doing now is to try to keep it under control as much as possible if we let it go out of control. No no sort of thought in terms of you know how to prevent it spread etcetera and then you know or portion of the population is going to get affected. It could potentially overwhelm our ability to do to deal with it. You know everybody gets sick once. It's really going to be hard to you. Know sort of handle the day to day life now. That being said that hasn't happened yet. And in some countries you know in China they mocked everything down and it really became restrictive in Italy. They're not locking everything down. It's becoming really restrictive here in the US. We're certainly not up to that. There are a number of places that have declared states of emergency. And that's mostly to get help with all this stuff so talking about keeping it under control you know. It's hard to saying. What's an overreaction? And what's not? I think that some of the things that have been done are definitely little reaction. You know everybody going out and buying out every ninety five mask. They can find overreaction. I it's not going to actually protect people on the streets second those are needed in hospitals. Because we're there the actual people with the virus being contained and other things not just in ninety five you know or not a new thing created just for the corona virus. There used every day in hospitals for things like Portillo citizen measles and other things that require this isolation when used appropriately with the right combination of protective equipment it prevents spread in limited manners in very specific matters. If you're wearing it on the street it's not GonNa pick your is. It's not going to protect you from touching the you know the surface that had the virus on an leader touching your face and getting it that way. There's definitely overreaction and then there's appropriate we accidents all giving Mexico. Is it inevitable that it comes to Michigan? I mean we haven't had reported case yet that I'm aware of but Is At inevitable in the last few states? That has you know. It's probably going to get your. I would not at all BE SURPRISED IF ACCOUNT HERE. It's spreading right. It's spreading the population but slowly and the fact of the matter is most people who get it. It's a fairly mild illness. And so they're you know not thinking about is this going is thrown as it spread. We don't know how many people get it and don't really have very much in the way of symptoms at all but could potentially spread it. You know I. I would not be surprised if it got here at all. I would actually be surprised if it never made sure. What are you doing at Beaumont to prepare for Corona virus? And how Will you treat it if when it gets you? You know? We have policies in place to try to minimize the impact on the system. As a whole so just like when easels hit a few months ago you know we have rules into play that people who have these respiratory issues and fever shouldn't just come directly into the emergency room. They should be met. Put a mask isolated until the testing is done. That's a good idea with any respiratory condition that could potentially spread. It's a good idea with flu. Good idea with measles that's why we doing when measles but with corona because of its potential to spread and the fact that people aren't going to have any sort of baseline resistance. 'cause it's a new virus. It's important to do that in terms of treatment the standard treatment right now supportive care for most people. They don't need any special treatment. But for the extreme cases they do need a ventilator. Something like that. And there are medications that we think may have activity. But we don't know for sure there are some clinical trials that are happening around different places And the potential to get patients involved in those sorts of things. There's a drug that's been used to treat. Hiv that seems to have activity against this virus. There's another drug that Indelibly development Bola that seems to have activity against these claims There are a number of other drugs that have been used for various conditions that seemed to have activities. But we don't know for sure whether or not the activity that we see in the lab will translate to activity with people when you're treating sick patients and that's why clinical trials are so important you know when a bowler was big thing everybody was pushing. Oh you know. There's new drugs and Development. Give them to people giving people giving people and it was so merely indication that those drugs might work but you know the fact of the matter is some of those people were and without doing clinical trials without treating people in a very controlled manner and collecting the data to see. Did it really make things better? You just never know. And once it's something sorta starts getting used routinely for something whether it works or not people get used to using it now if you can't get a person who clinical trial and you have them in front of you in. They're very sick. And you're desperate you know. Is it reasonable to try some of these drugs that are already approved for other reasons? Well you're close using something off label. Any doctor can decide to do that. people probably will but we have to be very thoughtful when we do these things because if we thought just everything will get out of control and we won't know what's really helping people actor director of Infectious Disease Research at Beaumont. I assume you've probably talked to a lot of peers. Who Work at different health systems. You know around Michigan or your country and everything you know. There's been a lot of talk about how well prepared. We are as a country for a an outbreak if it becomes serious you know that there's not enough testing kits available that there has been you know. Funding has been cut for key programs and and positions. And you know there's obviously a lot of Dispute about the politics behind the scenes of all this. I mean. What's your view how well prepared as United States becomes serious without trying to get into politics. Us is reasonably prepared. There's no such thing as any country that's fully prepared for pent-up Right I mean that's sort of what caused the pandemic. It's an infection. Spread like wildfire through. The population is only so much anybody can do about that right and everybody will do their best to handle it. But there's no way you know. If fifty percent of the United States population suddenly needed to be on a respirator there are enough respirators in the world to cover that. That's a difficult thing to face up to but I mean that's just sort of a fact of life it's that that has nothing to do with politics or cuts or anything. That's just you know if something that serious happened. It's not a lot that anybody anywhere would be able to do. There's not a country in the world for that. Now that being said that's not what Corona viruses corona virus. You know eighty percent of the people that affects have mild cases. They'll be able to find it home with you. Know hydration and rest and you know symptomatic relief. It's the people who you know are serious that there's a conservative and of course some of those you know again. It's going to range from you. Know they need oxygen to they need to be on an incubator. You know to be on. A on a respirator incubated. I think that will handle this fairly well. But as as you know I mean it's already becoming disruptive to and we don't have that many cases in the United States yet but it's already becoming disruptive your meetings dean cancel the travel being put off and people not wanting to go out and people hoarding. It's a natural response to the fear of what's going on and nobody knows exactly what's going to happen in the long run but everything appropriate is being done. What's your best doctor's advice For people just kind of stay safe if you're older and have co Morbid conditions cardiac problems long problem. You're the person who's most at risk. So you should be avoiding big crowds and things like that hand hygiene is incredibly important because probably as many or more people are getting like touching the virus and then later touching their high or something that they touched you know somehow getting in from their hands so hand hygiene hand sanitizer soap and water and sanitizer sold out everywhere because people are buying like crazy cough etiquette right. I if you're sick stay home or call your and get advice on what to do. They may say. Come to my office me outside. We'll put you in a mask. They call the emergency room. They'll put your mask. They'll test you those sort of things it may not have any you know Most of what's going to happen right now. It's probably not gonNA BE CORONA virus. Flew much more common right now. That's my next piece of advice. Is We buddy who doesn't have a medical country indication to it to have their flu shot? People will talk about. Oh the flu shot makes me sick it. It gave me the impossible. Flu Shot doesn't have live virus in it. Can't give you the slip. The reason people think it's just to get the shot during flu season and either already been infected with the flu and the South wasn't given early enough to protect them or they get another respiratory virus that the flu shot doesn't protect them against because it only protects you against the flu so it wouldn't protect you against corona virus. But the flu right now. There's a lot more of it and a lot. More people around the world died from it then coordinators. So that's my next piece of advice. Don't ignore the flu right now. It's as bad. It's worse than tournament cough etiquette. Don't cost you know onto the environment. Coughing crooked your elbow to contain it hands if you have to but you know then you're getting whatever you cost on your hands use hand. Sanitizer was open water after that occurs. That's a big thing. Get rest get good. Say how you created stay healthy? I can give all right well. Dr Matthew Sims Director of Infectious Disease Research at Beaumont Hospital. Thanks so much for coming on daily Detroit. Joining me on the line is Latasha James. She is a freelance marketer. And somebody who I wanted to turn to because I know that there are a lot of people dealing with some challenges that they're not used to in their work environment namely the fact that with all of the concern around the corona virus or Cova nineteen. There are more and more folks that need to work from home. Some of these folks might even be people who don't who've never worked from home before or are used to working the corporate job and like one person I know literally setting up an office in their basement so latasha first off. Welcome the daily Detroit. Thank you so much for having me excited to be here. I I saw little bit of this on your instagram. And I wanted to go into a deeper. You have been a freelancer for a for quite a while. It's your career but part of that challenge is when you work from home. You've got to create some spaces and do some things to be productive. What are some of the things that you've learnt sure? Yeah so I've been freelancing for the past few years and even before that I've been I worked remotely for a lot of my corporate job so I've been working from home for probably five or six years and definitely understand that struggle. I think one of the biggest things that has helped me is separating my space and forcing myself to have h frew workspace and I live in a small a small apartment. I live in a one bedroom apartment. So it's challenging because they don't really have a formal office but even if it's just sitting at your kitchen table and designating that as your workspace. I personally have a desk that I've kind of you know. Played around with the furniture and separated Use a bookshelf to separate living space from my workspace and really just being strict with myself about not working from bed not working from the couch because the second I do that one might productivity levels go way down and to it makes it so much harder to turn off at night when it's five or six PM. And I'm wanting to watch a movie or I'm ready to go to bed. It's it turns your bed or your couch into a workspace. And it's really hard to disconnect. So that's probably. My biggest tap is finding a good workspace. And from what you're saying. It's not like you have to go out and spend a much a bunch of money to do this right not at all like I said. Sit at a table just a corner of your space wherever you have a nice nice base to work at. I even For Awhile I used one of those little trays Like the foldout trays kind of things. Like the laptops. 'cause I guess they're called and you can just use a chair. I mean whatever it is that just you're able to turn into your designated work space that's not going to interfere with your personal life too much about the disconnection. Because I think that's a big thing where you're doing your work but it feels like you can never leave it because whether you have a small place like yours or you're working at home and you have a maybe a couple of bedrooms. Maybe you're dealing with kids all that kind of stuff what are some of your tips around disconnection and actually saying all right. 'cause I think so. Many people are used to. They go work they leave. There's the drive home. There's like convenient wall jenny tips around disconnection and making sure that like the anxiety doesn't hit you and you just dive right back into it. Yes yes so. I love that you mentioned the commute I say do something similar has establish a routine so in the morning for me. I have my morning routine where I try my best to get out of the house. Even if it's just walking around my community or walking to go grab a coffee or whatever it is same thing in the evening usually go take a walk. I really like coffee so I usually get a cup of coffee or whatever it is. You know. You don't have to be buying anything or doing anything. Just take a walk. Have a routine go to the gym. whatever it is that you're into an and have that be your evening routine that really helps me disconnect and kind of turned off from workday and turn onto the evening and spending time with family or whatever it is and are there any like key things that we haven't touched on that you. WanNa make sure that people know about if they're going through this journey. Yeah you know another struggle for me. Recently I live in an apartment like I said so noise. I think is something that a lot of people. Yeah Yeah Great. Prepared for your. If you're used to working in an office so having a headset it's such a simple thing but I bought a really cheap. It looks like I work in a call center as a typical headset with the kind of microphone. Arm has helped me so much just because every little thing is going to pick up if you live in an apartment traffic outside your neighbor's dogs your dogs. Your children your significant other taking a shower or whatever is going on so having a headset really helps and then of course use that mute button when you're on your conference calls. Don't forget to mute when you're not talking if you don't want anything weird picking up on your on your call. Well those are all really great tips. Latasha where can people find out more about you and what you're doing? Yes seriously. Offer a ton of other resources for freelancers and entrepreneurs if you're into that type of content definitely visit me over at Latasha James Dot com and on social. I'm just the latasha James latasha James. Thank you so much for your time on daily Detroit. Today thank you. We've seen major economic ramifications of the Corona Virus. Already but much of that is no doubt yet to play out. Oh for sure. There are reverberations. Frankly across the globe from China to Italy and here it's been a wild ride on Wall Street. The Dow dropped two thousand points on Monday. Its worst points drop ever although it has regained some of its momentum remains very volatile super volatile. All of this has also complicated because there are multiple factors happening right now. There's also an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia. You kind of take both of these factors. Put them together and you have like an economic soup. Yeah you know for sure you've got all of Italy under quarantine right now as a preventative measure. Which I think is is interesting. It's not that people aren't necessarily locked in their homes but they're really trying to keep people they're trying. Yeah they're trying to. I saw video of Italian police car like broadcasting to people going down an empty street on these apartment tower district. You know broadcasting out. It's loud speakers. Please stay inside if unless you absolutely have to leave right and you need passes to use public transit. Go through certain roads. That's great that it only has to be for Emergency US and a couple of specialty work purposes. And you know people are being told to prepare and already are working from home. That's one of the reasons I wanted to make sure to have latasha on because I know multiple people that have been either told that they need to work from home. They've had all of their travel eliminate like a lot of business folks where they've had multiple trips taken out and that's not happening anymore so it's really changing the flow of work and you know you're going to get into this a second large gatherings to are being canceled and I wonder how much of a long term effect that this is going to have on the economy when you kind of realize that. Maybe you do need these things or maybe you don't need to get together with all these virtual tools that's true I mean if nothing else. The coronavirus is showing us. How economically vulnerable. We are to a large global pandemic like this right. As I've mentioned many times I do some auto writing on the side right for auto blog just last week. We had the Geneva auto show which is one of the big international auto shows and Switzerland was cancelled at the last minute So know there were videos out there that showed the convention hall there in Geneva. That where they were like these three quarters built displays that automakers had already spent lots of money to put together and everything and then the show just gets acts the last minute and nobody goes yeah. I'm sure that that hurt Cadillac More recently just announced it was gonNA postpone the unveiling of a new electric vehicle. They're calling it. The lyric L. Y. R. I Q. That's a big new release for them. It's going to be riding on a new electric vehicle platform that GM has developed. It's GonNa serve as the basis for a whole host of new electric vehicles. They're set to unveil when you're talking about these shows and these unveilings. I can't help but think about the people lower on the economic ladder that are getting impacted by this. All the Uber Drivers Your Your Hotel Workers restaurant workers who need these jobs and need these paychecks and do not have any carpenters and millwright people who set up the exhibits and stuff. Yeah Yeah for sure. Absolutely well I think the a lot of eyes are on the New York Auto. Show which is supposed to happen early next month in New York City. I got an email from the show. I don't know few days ago saying that you know. They were Intent on holding the show made continuing to hold the show. And then we're in close contact with city and regional officials Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. But I don't think anybody be surprised to see that one get canceled. Another interest important point is that this corona virus originated from Wuhan in China and That's a very industry heavy place. It's kind of you know. China has become sort of the world's supply chain. It's all supply chains run through China right. The Chinese government extended the National Lunar New Year holiday by ten days last month and has been really slow to kind of start restart production at a lot of the factories overseas there. So that's taken a big chunk out of you know lots of companies beyond just the auto industry. Obviously I mean people forget how much of the supply chains are tied to China in all kinds of large and small ways because so many of these complicated cars parts. This stuff is crisscrossing. Our computers our phones. Yeah and everything. It all goes through China at some point. I don't think you can actually like make a computer in the United States right now. I don't think we have. The factories died out at no not especially semiconductors and things like that so we don't really even know where all this is going much will depend on the severity of the outbreak. And how it plays out and how long it lasts frankly but It's not good no question about that. I mean I look at the clock and go. You know June isn't that far away. And that's when the North American international auto show the new Detroit auto show. I mean that is I mean June. So April may you're there you know even if they decide to keep it going you know by then who knows what's going to happen by them but you know a lot of people maybe to Spook to come out and and be around large crowds and that'll keep you know attendance down so lots of it. That's the thing everything is known or it could be. You know start to recede. But we don't know we honestly don't know alright that's GonNa do for today's show if you like what you're hearing. Tell friends about daily Detroit. Subscribe to us on Apple Podcast or wherever you listen and consider supporting us. Ed Patriot Dot com slash daily Detroit. I'm spend gossips. And I'm Jerry days until next time stay healthy care of each other. We'll see you around Detroit.
Episode 10 - Get Heard On the Radio With Todd Hickman, Managing Partner at Asset Growth Associates
"It takes an extraordinary team to embark on an extraordinary mission wealth vest presents the ninety nine best marketing ideas, a podcast dedicated to bringing financial advisers, the most cutting edge, marketing strategies. Listen in as your fellow advisors. Share their top ideas to help you conquer your marketing needs. Hello. And welcome to another ninety nine. Best ideas podcast brought to you by wealth. Best. Today's guest is Todd Hickman the managing partner at asset growth associates. And you're in Texas is that right? Yes, sir, Texas, it is where whereabouts in Texas. Well, I've got three offices. I my base camp is in Beaumont, Texas. But we've also got offices in Austin, Texas and also Houston, Texas. Nice. Nice. Okay. Well, this podcast, as you know, is all about a great great marketing opportunities and ideas, but we four we jump into what you're truly doing. That's unique and different. Which is why your guest on the podcast. Tell me a little bit about your history as a financial advisor. Well, let's see many many years ago. I moved with my father to Beaumont Texas back in nineteen seventy four, but I was still very young. Then I don't I'm fairly young now. But I'm in my fifties. And when we moved to the area, my dad was the general manager for New York life insurance company, and he was very successful at that. And I saw that it was a knife nice lifestyle, and he subsequently moved over to money financial services. And then when I got through with school. I decided, hey, I'm gonna do what my dad does. And then I quickly realized my dad had sold everybody that I knew so it was it came as a shock to me that I needed to go out and meet new people and my career started from there. Your dad. What that's that's awesome. My hard act to follow man. But that's that's awesome. Well, let's let's talk about what makes your practice unique in different. I mean, so why have you been so successful? Well, I guess persistency pays off. I've had a radio show in Beaumont Texas on kale v. I five sixty eight I'm going on eighteen years. Now, we've recently expanded radio program up to Austin area. We do the tried true tested seminar workshop marketing, we also have a separate company within our organization that does income tax preparation. You know, we do a lot of things in order to get in front of as many people as we possibly can. Let's let's talk about radio. I'm a big fan of podcasting in one of the reasons why is because of editing flexibility, and then also cost but you've killed it with radio. I mean, I've actually. Listened to your radio show. I did that in preparation of the podcast today. Let's talk about that. I mean, so one how long has the show number two if you wouldn't mind give us a rough capital investment and three tell us why you have found so much success with that. Well, initially, we we were getting to do the radio show for free. When we first started at the radio station. We were brought on the radio station. Recruited us from a competitor station. And the way that the the the radio show is paid for was the advertising folks went out and sold spots in the show, and it was originally a live show. Well, we've transitioned to a recorded show that we go in every Thursday morning, and it broadcast each and every week on Saturdays and Sundays we have two showings on the weekend. One at six AM on Saturday and other at eleven AM on Sunday, and we do pay for the show. Now, it's about a thousand bucks a month locally in Beaumont, and I pay about the same. In austin? I think maybe a little bit more in Austin also broadcasting we've been broadcasting about know about three months now up in the Austin area, but radio is not something that you do to elicit an immediate response. What radio allows you to do is to become a familiar person to your chosen demographic? It's not an immediate response. If you will it's not like a seminar marketing, however, you can market, you know, events like, you know, come visit my seminar, but obviously you want to target the right bit demographic when you're doing a seminar, but radio allows you to establish a presence the allows you to become a known commodity, and it allows you to become familiar. I can't tell you how many times when people call us. It's merely a formality. They wanna come in there ready to retire. And they're bringing everything that they have. And they already know me, they already know my partner, gene. And it's merely a formality on on doing business. So it's. Great resource. Just don't expect a an immediate response to well tonight pre sheet that radio was true marketing, right? It's a long game. It's it's that relationship credibility builder. But you're taking this from a two pronged approach, which I think is fascinating. Like a lot of people will just kinda hang their head on one thing. Like, you're successful on the radio, right and your broadcasting in two different areas at four different times. I mean, that's fantastic. But let's also talk about your seminars. All right one. Does are you the only person who does the seminar because I I don't know how big your firm is or I don't know how many faces of the firm. That's not true. I do hope that your firmness. How many faces of the firm are there? How many advisors are out doing the seminar? Well, it's myself and gene when we do it locally. We also have Mark Rogers from wealth fest come in. And he helps do the do the presentation as well. Well fest has done an incredible amount of research. Regarding retirees in helping retirees understand just exactly what their concerns should be a lot of retirees have unrealistic expectations. If you will on distribution rates off of their portfolio, and there's a lot of people that are concerned about what's going on with the stock market and well-fed has done a lot of research in that regard in Mark coming in really helps out with the seminars and having more people there, I guess in a coat and tie lends credibility as well. Now, Mark Rogers is an amazing presenter. And I have seen him do that. I had the privilege of going to Salt Lake and watch him do that the what he does for you it wonderfully engaging. A great context context, not just content. And that's that's that's really good. The reason why it's so good is because you're bringing an objective third party. He can say things about you. You can't say about yourself. And you know, the other super cool thing is he's going to say stuff about you that you can't either. Right. So it's like that other back and forth sort of thing where you guys can play off each other. Which is which is awesome. How often are you doing the seminars? I try to do them at least once every one and a half to two months. Mark would like me to do them more frequently obviously, and you know, I think I will get to a point where we are doing that. But you know, as I as I said, we've got off cysts in three different cities. So it's easier for me to spread them out rather than just do them once per month. I would like to have a situation where I could do them once a month. But you've gotta have the demographics in your locale to be able to do that in remain where it would be profitable for your business. So that's why we're doing them at the frequency that. We are. Now, how big is Beaumont Beaumont. I guess it's really the golden triangle as its referred to Beaumont Port Arthur orange, and then the surrounding areas probably the entirety of the area's probably between three hundred fifty and four hundred thousand people, but that expands out to a to a big area. Most of the events are held in Beaumont though. But really? Referring to the area that's about right now. No you move to Austin, which is flipping huge. Right. It's flipping huge. And then the the market here is incredible. And there's a lot of there's a lot of money here. Obviously Austin's real estate market has gone crazy. Everyone is moving here from blue states and the growth here is just craze in real estate is just gone crazy as well. So this is a great place to market in. Well, let's switch gears tied lit. Let's talk about the marketing stuff that you've tried that hasn't worked. Well. Yeah. I can remember one event in particular on river. When we first started doing seminars, I have a friend that say DO doctor of osteopathy. And I said, hey, I understand you have a talk that you give about how to live in twenty man. That sounds fantastic. That sounds like we could do a joint seminar at have you come and talk at a local hotel will serve a nice dinner. And then when folks come they're, you know, they're going to want wanna live to be one hundred twenty I will be able to help them plan out their finances. So they don't run out of money. Well, when we send out the invitations thought we sent him out to the to the right demographic, everyone that came in was on death's door. They wanted to live to be age one twenty and unfortunately, people were coming in and wheelchairs walkers, and you know, that's not begrudging them. Obviously they wanted to hold onto life. But that did not quite go the way that I thought it would so needless to say we haven't done that seminar. Again, anything else like, you know, a lot of since you've been in the biz for awhile, man, you know, there's shiny object syndrome right advisors. Go to conferences, they go on reward trips. And you know, some great sales up on stage and get you interested in something that you try when you get back to your office. Do you have shiny object syndrome, and give us another example? If you do I've I've gotten much better at that. When I was younger, I was I would be more attractive that thing. But if you just have a plan, and you continue to work to plan this businesses a numbers game and especially in. Yards to marketing now, obviously when you were actually doing the work for your client. That's a different discussion altogether. But in regards to marketing marketing is is a numbers game. And it will always will be a numbers game. I wanna pull that quote, specifically and plaster that everywhere on my social media on my company social media because you just really hit the nail on the head. It's about doing things consistently with with with the right intention, the right motivation and the right execution, which is my next question. How do you execute all of this? So well with the radio with the seminars, but still Ron approximately also well, well, you know, when I first got started. It was fear. Choice. Do it. I guess I am and I had this conversation with my wife. She said when we first got married many many years ago that the idea that I didn't go to work and have a salary and go to work for an employer that I was working on commission. And I haven't worked for a salary in decades that it was something that was initially unsettling her. And then she understood that I was like a farmer then I would go out and plant the field, and I would try to reap the harvest after I did the work planning the field. And I guess I rest in that now, and I have I have confident that and I just know as long as I do the work and do the things that I'm supposed to do that things will turn out in my dad bless his heart. He he he gave me a quote a long time ago. He said son if you do the things. I me the quote, right? He said son, if you will be smart enough to be dumb enough to do what you're told usually be, okay. And I try to understand that if you will have a plan, and it's a good plan work the plan. It will work out. What is the hardest part of execution with what you're doing currently in marketing. Well, I'm a human being, and it's emotional, and sometimes you have disappointments and things don't go the way that you thought they would in the numbers don't work out on a particular seminar or they don't work out. You don't hit your numbers in a month? But then the following month, you can double your numbers. And I I guess as a human being it's easy to get distracted in. I don't like this appointment, and that's what keeps me going because I refuse to rest in the disappointment. I want to rest in the success, which is just as fleeting as as the disappointment. But I can continue to strive to continue to get out there. And do the things that I need to do. If you were able to pass down now age, we have a very nice listenership to this podcast in. There are a lot of new advisers who looked to people like you Todd and say man, I'd like to be like him or had like to run a successful business like him. I'd love to be on the radio. I would love to be able to expand into new markets. What sort of advice, would you give them that you wish you might have heard from it does sound like your dad was a good mentor. So help us with that police. Well, I if I'm younger advisor coming into the business. The first thing that I would do is. I would try to find an older advisor to get them to take the adviser under his wing and to give him advice. And obviously the older advisor is going to retire one day in to try to form a relationship with that adviser. I I know that sounds like a great plan. It sounds easy to do. But something, you know, I guess what? I'm looking. The quote that. I'm look. You need to former relationship than adviser. And then be loyal to that adviser because the tendency today is and I've had this happen. I've I've formed a relationship these younger than with with younger advisors in the past and had them gone off and do their own thing. And you know, a year later they were out of the business. So if you're going to have the opportunity to work with an older advisor, I would suggest that you do that and be loyal to that relationship, and it can turn out very very well for you. My final question for you today is on success. You just brought that up in you told us what keeps you working so hard every day when you define success has that changed over time. And if so can you define success for us today. Define success. I mean, that's such a subjective term, obviously, everybody wants to have money, but money isn't necessarily the death. Estimate is that you have a family that loves you that you're able to provide for that family, and you've got a good relationship with that family. But at the end of the day, you know, it's a lot easier to have fun while you're doing all that with a little bit of income. And I can't think of any better business to be in then be in the financial advising business because the potential for income is there, and you can really do. Well, if you will be honest have integrity and apply yourself and worked really hard. Nice. We'll todd. Thank you so much for taking some time today to pass down your wisdom to our audience. Hi, thank you, really. Appreciate it. If you have not subscribed to the ninety nine best ideas podcast. It's very very simple. All you have to click the subscribe now button below and if you know, another financial services professional that would really love to hear the advice from Todd Hickman. Please make sure you just click that share button. It's really easy. It'll share a link to the podcast, and then you can Email it. You can text message. You can post it on social media, whatever you wanna do. 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"You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension. A dimension of sound. Dimension. Of Sight. Dimension of mine. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance of things and ideas you've just crossed over into the twilight zone. We all have our own little escapes in life. Reading a book can be escape into fantasy. A. Walk in the country is an escape from the city. And in this modern world, moist was escape into the online world. In various ways to. Whether it's a discussion forum of virtual online game. These littler escapes allows to recharge your batteries from the real world. But the twilight zone has always asked the question. What if your desire at or need for an escape grows bigger than your desire or need to stay where you are. got. Williams. Wanted to escape to Willoughby. Martin Sloane wanted to escape to his childhood and tonight we'll meet a man who joins the ranks of these twilight zone. Great escapers. But while he himself is as homeboy and mild-mannered as the show's lead characters calm. To, tell, this story will also tell the story of how tonight's episode actually escaped from our television screens for several decades until it made a most colorful return. And when we meet our main character, Charlie parks, his existence seems to be anything bbut colorful. The camera pans in on his office, and we see how he blends in with every other man decked out in a white Shantung. Sat behind identical typewriters. When we see Charlie visit a local museum and try and swim against the tide of the visitors only to be swept along with them against his will. We start to realize that even in these opening seconds, we're seeing exactly how charlie parks lives his life. Forever wanting to go his own way. Carried along by a world that wants to go the same way. As everybody else. So where does a man like Charlie paw? To escape. Well. Let's find down. In miniature. The average person. A museum is a place of knowledge, a place of beauty and truth and wonder. Some people come to study others to contemplate others to look for the sheer joy of looking. Charlie parks has his own reasons. He comes to the museum to get away from the world. It doesn't really the sixty 60-cent cafeteria meal. It is drawn I'm here every day it's the fact that here in these strange cool halls, he can be alone for a little while really and truly lawn. Anyway. That's how it was before he got lost. And wandered in the twilight zone. First broadcast on February twenty nine, nineteen, sixty, three written by Charles Beaumont and directed by Walter Growl. Now. I have to mention before we get into any smells help beautifully constructed. The Pre narration opening is it tells us everything we need to know about Charlie in a couple of minutes. We find them sitting in the office with everyone who is dressed just exactly like him. Then when he leaves where can goes to the museum, he's trying to climb the stairs, but he just gets carried along by the crowd. and. Even when the crowd stops, he's uncomfortable and agitated within them before he manages to escape them and finds his sanctuary in this Victorian Room. It says every son and I'm not sure whether that was all in Beaumont script or whether it was the director's decision but it is just a perfect use of injury to really tell us who Charlie is on his struggle is. And we'll come back to that later on but I think sailing must have recognized how well constructed. This was because in his own used extended trailer that would've went at the end of the last episode. Jess Belle, he says this. This one we find ourselves hard pressed to describe without telegraphing to you what are the rather unusual set of circumstances that you'll find yourself watching. Let's just say by way of rather selectively controlled introduction that miniature takes us into a brand new realm of science fiction and fantasy that is at the same time intriguing and strangely believable. So he says they're the selectively controlled introduction he seems to be recognizing what are opening is. So, here's a name that we haven't had before in the twilight zone, the director Walter, grauman's or Walter e Graham as he's credited ear. And he is one of our one time directors in the show and he was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, two in Milwaukee Wisconsin, and he's one of the people of this time who because of when they were born have this aspect to their lives that always fascinates me he served in World War Two and was highly decorated. Six missions in the war. So, what does a man like that do when he comes back? Well, it gets into television. I think what I like about stories like his is that nowadays just getting job in television seems to be an impossibility it's not something you can just walk into. But he took some of the jobs on the periphery of the business like being agents assistant or working in the Publicity Department of Universal Studios. So we had that real aspect tomb where he just got stuck into the business he paid his dues and he took opportunities when they presented themselves. On one of those opportunities was to become a stage manager at NBC where he co created the popular talent show lights camera action which featured a mangas young Leonard. News. And from then on, he tried his hand at directing and never looked back. Now, he has a very respectable eighty four directing credits to his name, but when you drill down into the You really see that from his humble beginnings, he really did become a hardware in. Today, he directed twenty three episodes of Matinee theatre twenty, one episodes of the untouchables forty, nine episodes of Barnaby Jones and he held several television movies and then finish his career. He directed fifty three episodes premiered the she wrote. So he really was a very prolific director. Any lived a good long life passing away at the age of ninety three in two thousand fifteen. Excuse me. I guess this may sound silly. But how did they manage that? How did they manage? What in their? Last case. Oh. Well, I couldn't say, exactly. I know they use magnifying glasses little tiny tool, single hairbrushes, things like that. But mostly the keep the job until they get things right. But how do they get the girl to move? Transistors. That The girl playing the piano. What Stop Now So. Charlie seems to believe the figure of the woman in the doll's house is moving on playing the piano. And the man who plays the garden the museum who is responding in disbelief is one of those more under the radar twilight zone multi episode players. And he is the actor John Liam. In the episode, the shelter he plays, mad. In the midnight sun he plays cop. In this one is the God. And in the future episode Uncle Simon. He wants again why his car. And I like his presidency and I guess he has one of those faces. Blends into whatever show he does without being too overpowering I think he really was a true bit part player because if you look through his credits that are many instances where he will play four or five different parts in the same show. For example, in the show is a Virginian, the ram between one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five, and one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, he played characters called John Pierce epton McDevitt Carlo Neil. F. Smalley I'm Parka but his career is literally littered with these instances and this is probably were helped to be calm. Truly one of our hardworking actor's Day with a hundred and seventy-five credits. Sorry I'm late. Sir. I'm sure you have a good excuse. Well, no Sir I don't. I just let the time slip by. I don't know how it happened. You know parks. This is the first sign of humanity you've shown almost four years. Beg Pardon Up. Until now, you've come and gone like some GonNa, wind up toy and never early never later you're always keeping yourself. Don't you like US parks. Well I never thought about it sir. I'm afraid Mr Parks. That isn't good enough. An office. Like a team of platoon. Either it works together. Doesn't hear it doesn't. and. The reason is you I knew you were a square peg when I hired you but you bright and well I thought we'd wear those edges off. We haven't. None of them. You're still a square peg. You understand me. necessarily. GonNa use the excuse of your being late but I can't the fact is that how letting you go because you just don't fit in? Here, we have another one of the twilight zones, most recognizable players, Barney Phillips in his fourth and final twilight zone episode. And we all remember him for that I Kana kimmage from well, the real marsh please stand up where he reveals the die in his forehead. He was also in a thing about machines and the Papal Testament. So when he escaped from the twilight zone, where did he go next while he really just was one of our hardworking actor's Day with one hundred and seventy seven credits to his name. So he just carried don doing his thing and he was naturally a supporting player not really leading man. So we mainly went onto one off appearances but there where the occasional recurring parts like in the short lived Betty White Show in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, or a couple of appearances in the jukes of hazard in the eighty S. or He did get a title role of sorts in the late sixties when he voiced the genie Shas on in the Hanna barbera cartoon of the same name, and it's one of those cartoons that never really caught on its concept is a little convoluted and none of the characters apart from Jason himself really stand out but at least he got top billing for one. One you even one returned to the bottle. Officers. is now your turn didn't four thousand years have acquired much. Match. Sadly, Barney? Phillips passed away from cancer in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two at the age of sixty eight. So Bonnie for your services to the twilight zone for providing with one of the most enduring and iconic images of the show. We salute you. But. His final in the twilight zone is firing poor old charlie because he doesn't fit in. While we kind of got that idea already this is really where the episode begins to shows what Charlie has to contend with. In his life. Now, I'm not going to step through this episode in the usual way that I do because I feel it's not so much an episode of twists and Tans as is an episode that just continually reinforces the point of it. And I. Think we get the point of it pretty quickly. So he kind of tans into more of a character study than an episode. The has lots of twists and tans to it. So not only does Charlie harger contend with fired for not fitting in But he also has to contend with a mother who obviously loves her but seems to cutting down constantly even when she's trying to be tied. Why can't you keep a job? Sam Why do you always end up making everyone feel uncomfortable amount you. I don't know. I suppose they blame me. Well I'm not keeping you here. You're free to go. I know the mother nothing in the world may happy and then to see you settle down with a nice girl, raise a family and live a normal i. Don't cry out. I hate to see you words. I'm not hurt what is should be. Getting fought. It would've killed you odd. It would've killed him. I'll go employment bureau tomorrow. What are you going to my room? Jolly would you please bring me my heart medicine deer So, on the one hand, she is saying that he's free to go at any time. But near the hand within minutes of saying. She's asking him to Gerhardt medicine for she would probably always deny she wants him to be dependent on hair and she is also dependent on him even if she doesn't really need to be now, Charlie System Myra is played by Barbara Barrie and she very much knows what the weather is like an a few glances at the breakfast table confirm now. White but he Could be better, but it could be better. Looking. Good. I, wish I could say the same to you, Charlie? I haven't been sleeping to. What job. You're so suppose. been terribly hard on walking around every day in the hot. Sun. Boy that can get you down. Charlie. Yes We've got a surprise for you. Tell Him Bud. Well it's like this Charlie I read about them giving you the rows. I mean, you know and like I know they had dispatch it pretty well over where I work and I talked to him about you and He said. Well, he said he'd give you the job yeah. Isn't that wonderful? So Myra. Very much has the best of intentions for and she is genuinely trying to help. But the problem is she's also putting hair expectations on Charlie wanting him to do things because that's the normal thing to do. I don't know anything. About Psychology. Or anything like that. But I think I know what's the matter with you? You. Girl. At that time of life. You know what? I mean. Not. Exactly. A. Little, difficult to explain. You've never had a girl heavy job. Actually. That's what I thought. Well. We are going to change all of that. I am going to introduce you to Harry Gunderson. She's a girl who works in my office and she's a real swelled kid you'll lack charlie really myrow please Charlie. Just, this one time. Try. For me. And if you do I, promise you never bother you again. All right. So, this to me is the equivalent of went to be people have been seeing each other for a while and then the question start. So when are you getting married and if they do get married so when you're having a baby and it never seems to be phrased so do you think you'll get married some day or do you think you'll have a baby someday it's usually the expectation that of course you'll do. These things because everybody does these things heaven forbid the two people might just want to enjoy being in a relationship together without marriage and kids or even that they might just want to remain single. So while Charlie might attract all of this because of how everyone perceives him as being different I, think that what Charles Beaumont is really getting here is something we all face and if we're honest with ourselves, something that we probably Participate in as well to varying degrees trying to wrestle or the people into our idea of what they should be like and what our idea of normalize. So while Charlie listens to everyone, else's opinion on how he should live his life. Let's meet the man who played them. Here. We have one of those times where the twilight zone gave us someone who would go on to be a big name in Hollywood the great. Robert Davao and I, think when namesake Dennis Hopper or Charles Bronson Komo pin zone we all pretty much know where they ended up but it's more interesting to me to see where they were at this point when they came onto the show. So this is only Robert Vials theater in screen credits with defense being in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty. So in terms of television work, he was still pretty fresh out of the box. He had a two year stint in the army. You then went onto study at the New York. Neighborhood playhouse in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, five. So around this time you have the likes of Gene Hackman Dustin Hoffman all making this start all of these actors who would go onto become huge and ride the wave of the sixties and seventies cinema revolution. Now, one of those credits before the twilight zone is another outside the role for him when Robert Develop late Boo Radley into kill Mockingbird with twilight zone alumni William Wyndham who appease as the doctor in this very episode was also in five characters in search of an exit and Frank Overton who's from Mute and walking distance. But it was very much. One of the stepping stones in Davos Jenny he hadn't truly made it yet. So he became one of those hard working actors at a day with parts in Alfred Hitchcock presents the outer limits a many of the shows in the nineteen sixty S. so he went along in the sixties with parts in run of the mill shows like CBS playhouse but then the seventies begin with roles like major frank bands in Mash and Tom Hagen in the Godfather and then the Robert Develop that we know today was born. So, how is he in this? I think this is an early indication of just what a great actor Robert Valley. His portrayal of Charlie parks is I find very sensitive one. and. It's someone who just doesn't fit in and in a way it's quite ahead of its time because it does remind me of some of the characteristics of those people who might now be diagnosed with US badgers and slight discomfort around or the people on the general impression that he sees the world in a different way really kind of feeds into that. Now this might just be coincidental and it might just be that he's playing an introverted man, but I think it's definitely something to think about De. He is definitely one of the twilight zones unique people. But there are some clues here after he's fired and his mother is asking him about it. He says, he think I fit in and she says, what does that mean to which he responds you has something to do with being on the team. He just doesn't seem to understand. Now in the twilight zone companion, the writer William F Nolan says I consider it. Beaumont. Best gripped period. He said it was based on me. It was about a kind of shy guy who had problems with women whichever always had I've never been a womanizer. Now I. Wish I could find something documented about how Robert duvall approach this role because he is so deliberate in choosing Charlie's mannerisms that smile highs. That's Kinda. Slightly crooked. It's very pure but not gratuitous. He's very careful in his portrayal and for me, here's the thing that holds all of this together. Because it is season four episode fifty two minutes long. While the episode length hasn't bothered me much season. Do I think that this one could have got all its points across with maybe fifteen or twenty minutes court from the running time I think probably could. But the thing that keeps me transfixed is the performance of Robert Duvall and a script filled with a lot of truth by Charles Beaumont. So. I'm not really waiting for the twist because I think we can all guess what it's going to be. I'm just enjoying this character study. Now, on the subject to the script and unlocking the door to a television classic Mano Grams Junior writes in mid July nineteen, sixty, two Charles Beaumont submitted the script to Habitat who then sent the script to sailing jarring the last few days July. I would be interested in getting your reaction Henchman commented Charlie impressed upon me that this is not necessarily the accurate framework of the script but just a reassurance that there is enough material for an hour considering my regard, his writing ability I would be inclined to agree I would like your reaction to the story however. on-road sailing replied I. Hope he put Charles to where immediately I have a couple of consent that all mind but knowing his talent I think these will be ironed out in the script. Now. One of the interesting things that it also says is that the roof caught of the episode was seven to eight hundred feet over length and sailing had to choose the scenes that needed to be edited to fit the television schedule. So it's kind of amazing to me that this was actually longer in its raw uncut form 'cause what exactly could Charles Beaumont's have been any? Learning. My mother says that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Have I told you about my mother. She's a very nice. Of course she still treats me like a child. You can't blame it because. I'm all she has. I suppose it's not very much. Of course, it isn't any of my business but I really do think you should eat more than that for breakfast. I have a sister about your age. Names, Myra she's nice to. And her husband says she's very pretty but she's not as pretty as you are. I guess you about the. Prettiest girl in the whole world. I don't mind saying that because I know you can't human. But I think I'd say even if you could. because. Charlie's escape from expectation and well meaning. But suffocating advice is, of course, going to the doll's house in the museum where he's formed an attraction to one of the dolls in. Who appears to him as a beautiful. Young Woman. And it's kind of interested in this scene in particular the Charlie starts by telling her that she should eat more for breakfast and it's the kind of thing that his mother would say to him. Is he just mimicking why he thinks normal interactions are like. So let's talk about the doll's house because they've made the decision to have the face of it be some sort of projected screen so that they can show people moving around in. But within the fiction of the episode, it's glass covered as it might be in a museum to stop people taking the things out of it. So does it look real probably not is a problem I don't think so I think we just have to understand when it was made go with it but I also think it just gives a a slightly magical quality too and I suppose we can rationalize it to ourselves. That's how Charlie season I don't know it's not a problem for me. And Mark Zicree in the twilight zone companion rights throughout miniature Charlie Parks visits the doll's House I'm watches a pantomime melodrama unfolds as a gal is saved by main and courted by a suitor whose intentions are most assuredly not honorable. Order to accomplish this forum dollhouse and a full size is. Rep replicated where constructed it was expensive but well worth the effort. A Martin Grandma's junior ads. Today's with a production note puts in his book unlocking the door to a television classic and it reads the miniature, house should be arranged so that the three rooms Paula bedroom living room may be fully depicted while all of the rooms are either eliminated or barely indicated when we are dealing with scenes within the house, the feeling should be that of a model magnified. The action within the house must be highly stylized at all times danced or punt mimed rather than acted. The point is to provide a sharp contrast with the real weld with which protagonist cannot coat. Therefore, the more stylized, the house itself the better. So, the action within the house like the note say is all very much like a silent movie nobody talks and this situation plays out throughout the episode where a Moustache twirling villain tries to impose himself on the beautiful young woman. It's all very binary and black and white and simple on a non of the nuances that Charlie con get to grips with in this world in the real world in the dollhouse. The good people are good the by people about and there's nothing taxing to do just sit and listen to harpsichord music. So I really like this detail about it really shows that Beaumont is the master of stuff like that. It's not just a guy escaping to the doll's house just as some device for his escape, it's a path act representation of the simple life that he really needs. Now, the doll is plagued by a woman called Klay Griswald and only had a short acting career that began on screen in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Fifty, eight, and ended with only twenty credits an episode of Bonanza in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven. Clare's acting coach was the actor and director and also twilight zone alumni, Sydney Pollack who we saw in the trouble with Templeton. They married and in one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, she retired from acting to raise their family. So in this miniature, well, the doll is taken upstairs by this evil Ceuta, which causes Charlie to break the glass on the front of the House and when he tries to explain it to the God poor old Charlie Enzo in a psychiatric hospital onto the care of Dr Woman played by Twilight Zone Night Gallery Star. William. Windham. For Mr, parks I want you to understand that no one is saying you didn't see these things. There's no doubt that you did. But you must realize that you saw them only in your mind. They will real to you they were. That's the way it is with hallucination. Ordinarily. The I season transmits a picture to the brain. But sometimes, that's reversed in certain cases, the brain sees and transmits its message to the I do understand. Now, they will real. In that case. Others would have seen them to. That so I. Don't know. It's logical. Isn't it? I suppose so. But no one did see them. How do you explain that? I don't know. So while Charlie's locked away in the hospital, let's have a look at the thing that kept miniature locked away from television screens for many many years. Now monograms. Junior has a very lengthy entry about the legal struggles that this episode went onto have. Now I won't read all of it because it is quite extensive. But what he says on March twenty fifth one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, three David Lens of Galore offices of Lens and Jonga in Los Angeles. California submitted a letter addressed to Sam Kaplan of Ashley Steiner asserting claim of plagiarism and wrongful appropriation against. Productions. Mr Lens made the claim on behalf of his clients. Clyde wear who's to act scripts titled the Seventeenth. Manneken. Originally written for a half hour format had been submitted to Cuba productions in the spring of nineteen sixty one among grams junior goes onto describe the story like this. The story was about to character called the old man who lived with his daughter. Louise and son in law Bill Dixon and worked as a night watchman in a department store which had the display of twelve mannequins grouped and costumed as members of a community. The old man spent his working hours talking to the plastic figures as if they were friends of equal stature. As the Nightwatchman, he was granted the privacy. No other employees of the department store had during the overnight hours Louise and bill were kind of the old man but questioning his mental health made arrangements for him to be committed. Late, one evening after leaving for work the old man discovers the bill has phoned for the family doctor to ensure the commitment papers are in line. The old man is fully aware of Dan Intentions. He proceeds to consult with his friends the mannequin. By the morning, the old man has trained his heart to the breaking point and collapses his body is found on the floor. Bill and the doctor examined the old man shaking their heads a few minutes. Later, they are shocked to see Wegmann Delivering Seventeenth Mannequin. Grandfather figure reminiscent of the old man. Set to join the ranks of his friend. Now. It's one of those times where you Kinda here watt the twilight zone was being accused of, and you hear the premise of that storing you think and you think how did this even get past square one? You know a lot of these claims seem to be so ridiculous and I think that wonders to and as mangams junior maybe mockery point south if he. was going to make a claim on anything. It should probably be the after hours but thankfully, this legal challenge didn't actually go anywhere and the court decided in sailing and the twilight zones favor. But the thing is CBS who now owned the show kind of felt that it soured this episode and it didn't see the light of again until one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four. And when it was aired in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, they did something a little special. They call arised all of the dollhouse scenes with in house. So Charlie's world was in black and white but what was going on within the house? Was In cola now they're easy to find these colored scenes I, think they might be on the DVD and BLU rays. And they are what they are. It's a gimmick and because the not really cleaned up, all we get is this kind of modell looking cola within a black and white show. So I don't think it really has an amazing effect for it's a Curio it's a Curio that is quite interesting. So it's nice that it exists. So, in the end, Charlie Parks makes his escape into the doll's house where he can now spend his days sitting with his doll beloved looking at some kind of vintage view master. Now as I mentioned before I, think we do feel the length of this episode. Somewhat, it is fifty minutes long. And I will concede that you could probably pretty easily cook this one down by just lifting out scenes wholesale and probably still get what it's all about. But for me, this longer running time really allows us to spend some time with Charlie unto understand him. It's a character study a gentle sturdy of a gentle man, a man who would probably find his own place in the world his own equilibrium if everyone would just leave him alone and stop imposing on him what they think he needs what they think will make him better. Because the truth is there's nothing wrong with Charlie, there's nothing to make better. He's just different, but he lives in a world where different is unacceptable. On this isn't some heightened reality like I have to beholder Beaumont is writing a lot of truth here anyone who has decided to pursue an unusual career choice or dress in a particular way or any myriad of things that don't fall into that. Oso Mundane category of normal knows what it's like to be. Charlie. So, what we get here is a mixture of twilight zone ingredients a twilight zone outsider like Mr, Beavis we get the escape of Willoughby without the tragic consequences and I think qualities derivative of the twilight zones. The combination of Robert Duvall and this unique aspect of the doll's house really make quite a special episode. I'm tempted to actually put it on the top tier. But if we look at season for on its own I would certainly put it in the top tier of this season. But what it does have that is especially unique to this episode is a sweet ending when we see the smile on the God's face as he watches Charlie happy and contented in the house along with the ration- from sailing the he never told anyone what he saw and it's one of the sweet and satisfying endings in the show for me and escape into happiness and escape into the twilight zone. They never found Charlie parks because the guard didn't tell them what he saw in a glass case. You know what they'd say and he knew they'd be right to. because seeing is not always believing. especially. If what you see happens to be an odd corner. Of the twilight zone. I enjoyed new twilight zone this year, but it's always nice to come back to classic twilight zone as well with. With a very sweet episode from season for so I like to get it out quickly after the new twilight zone finishes just to reward the patience of the people who haven't really been watching along with the new show. So if you just going back, thank you for your patience and I. Appreciate you coming back over in the after hours club we have a couple of new members we have one. Of the boards of directors, Chad's Kozlowski. So welcome thank you for contributing and also Azra is lean. Thank you so much for becoming a member of the after hours club and also I can't remember whether I mentioned Ben can come last time if I didn't he's now member of the after hours club to you. So thank you so much and if you want to join the club, I get podcasts. Bow The ACO twilight zone vintage sailing night gallery, and a number of other things. Then please do had over to Patriot dot com slash twilight zone podcast. So no listener feedback this time round because I've kinda snuck this one out after new twilight zone so I will end it that if you want to get your thoughts in any of the episodes of season four so far or the next one. then. Email clip to tom the twilight zone podcast dot com, and let's go over to Rod serling to find out what's coming up next some rather special ingredients to a bizarre brew served up next on the twilight zone, an oddball printing press and editor with a stringer from the lower regions. Just a few as we bring you Robert Stirling Fukuchi Crawley. Special. Guest Star Burgess Meredith and Charles Beaumont Printer's devil. What's a matter matter? Why did you quit finished? Why would a man with your talent want to work for a hick paper like curry. College Challenge. Spend impressed. No I'm amazed understandable. I must confess but this is not my true vocation. It is no, I'm a reporter. Some people have a green thumb I have green knows. Wherever, there is news this old knows it well, probably there no much news to smell this bird was dismissed. That will be.
S2:E74 Come Get Catfished
"Without guys, the captain's log, I have Kenneth fish Cooley. Andrew Kahn in Johnson aback. John, give me a shout out would up. Mike. I'm working again already this morning. So I don't want to brag but get your finger bit off. That's pretty that's pretty cool. I don't have anything that Cole. I'm Jay got his finger bid off instill did the wedding. Yeah. One of my best friends only Hammonds Puerto owner of gator country. Beaumont Texas, I had a little Winky date, whenever it went down and my wife, I have now wanting to get married. But I'll sound out that you can't legally get married when you're still legally married. Somebody else. So Florida's stuff. Right. So we actually had, you know, kit, online principal working stuff out. We have this gigantic fake wedding for my buddy. All the he's kind of adventurous. So I'll tell him what's going on. I might look her family's come in my family's coming. We need to make this believable possible. Once my marriage is finalized, the divorce. I sent him go, you know, merrier suggested the peace, he's like cool new. I'm your man. Well about twenty minutes before we was about to get everything go, and everybody started screaming hollering oughta get bit early did. And I'm like the hell Orly did. And I go outside. There's been feeding a fourteen foot gator for how many years and years will. He just weren't. He was nervous because he had to do the wedding. Pay started getting, then he started doing thank all the goes pump instead of just putting the hand in. It's mouth and slap tone the way he would literally reach in slap the roof of his mouth, and then pulls van that's an actress. Hint stays in there just a split second longer. And that's how it takes and sure enough, he got his a rat middle or middle fire out there. I'm talking smoke down, and they're like he's killed emergency room. His eyes can hold. Did he get it out a guy beat the no? They got now. He it was mashed his massive so hard at ten like blue the end of it out. So. Really, I'll Abelson paying but he hung in there and he helped us officiate or big Jack getting fake wedding that nobody knew. Probably a hundred and twenty dollars. Anybody pass out from the blood? No, no bribe brought some real camera standing up there. Barefooted about sunburn. Oh, yeah. With board it out. It was my way I painted. Yeah. Can you imagine eastern thirty soak in with again? We yellow shirt with no sleeves. Cut out with fluid pouring down his stomach. Down. It was the fastest web, never it was, basically, like, hey, the only yet may as like okay, y'all ship. I love y'all. Got to get a couple of drinks. I'm going to -mergency room. Alcohol in the blood are, yes, definitely always described always issue. How'd you get in comedy man? Listen a year ago. I literally did know who you are. Now. You are like superstar all over the internet. What are you doing? How is it working? Tell me do like it was sort out years ago. I've put out my first video is called each Kentucky Streep slow. Oh my God. I have Kentucky street play story. That might have a better one than you. But I wanna hear bro you. Trust me. You like you'll see it tonight when I'm on stage. It's a part of my bid. Can I tell you would I went to a Kentucky strip club in Louisville Kentucky, what happened only girl wait fowleri now? Four hundred pounds literally in the middle of her dance. The deejay said, Emily your pizzas here. She got to. Eight the whole large cheese pizza. Monomer gig candidate Novi trip, clover, the Kentucky Derby. She ate the whole pizza that was part of her dance. Girls come out and they have this different appeal hurting was she could put down the pizza dough whole dance. She knocked it out, girl. She's probably sure jury duty whenever the milk. Four hundred but I can't teach fifty up turf you the pound titties. Yeah. I bet they were touching out another hundred pounds of nothing. But none of banks. It was crazy. I talked paying to see this Gillian. I get a slice it, she'll be out. She helped me out. Girl, right, there, you'll get all that pyramid stuff. He likes shrank down. Oh, jog around eight pizza together. I tech. Videos, main, emphasis, you know, one video get seventeen minutes on video twenty and it just don't wanna go out go it. They just like you. I mean, I I'm, I'm so contrary some capable like until you actually meet me. They're like, is that accent fake, but it's not like I'm legit. One hundred percent throat out. Yeah. You know, people people just don't know man bond with that isn't catchy. We're like the real offered of Joe dirt. You know, people can see people can see us and them for some there's happy, waking be happy. Let's go hang out with always a good time that I love about seeing you is it, you're always happy about be two way too long to be miserable. People say, it's too short is too long been miserable, which it sucks gets it drags out. Everyone seems like it's slow motion here. You're happy, you're energetic you ready to go. You make people smile. And that's contagious people that go to the water, pork and feel like you're there for two hours, twelve go to work if like you're there, twelve hours to, you know, taking trip. Yes. That you get there in two hours of the way home eight two eight eight. Yeah. So ager tell me what is like travel. Cafe. Are you tell you like this like me? You know, we've knew each other for some like, you know, before like, yeah, we never met, we went to a strip club in Kentucky. In the mid stripper, yet attain. I've met to tell the girls go on more like this girl can fit in a car seat like stumbling. Yeah. She was Dan, big, I'm telling you something. So after you took her home, what happened. I'll do now. Now go in Jovan. It was her bed. We have all the. Sippy cup. We've been traveling man for, for so long now, you know, we stay busy, you know, it, it's become more of a brother, you know, like a brother relationship than a friendship. You know, I interview so many comedians, one of the questions I love to ask you how did you get in Tommy and start getting on stage. They were you ever afraid to talk in public again onstage. No, this is natural law. You go with the can't behind the camera. And now this is not say, no prompt transition. I show that I ever done. I, I never did an open mic. I never did know kind of thing I show that I've ever done a sold out. It was four hundred seat on the guy and I was the headliner. And I had to do forty minutes and it was the first time I've ever been on stage on ahead. That's a first time I've interviewed probably a thousand comedians on my show, literally the first time, I've heard this story dude. Oh my God. When I before I went on there about how to them pack tag, heart attack about that. But I got out there man and just you had written material. No, it was kind of, like, you know, I mean, I've probably had three or four weeks to come up with a whole set. That's all here. Not like really four years. Yeah. Our especially like every five here. The special every other here. As a major house aboard. My parents have been this. Yeah, I remember as a kid. My mom was telling me she thought I was going to be a preacher because I was so happy, you could talk to people all the time. Well, she was last weekend over Beaumont, Texas year the weekend for whatever it was. We, we just done a show there, and it was pretty close to grope at some mama. Got to go, and I was kinda nervous. You know, her being there was in my daddy's proud of me. You know, my, my momma step bad. They haven't seen what I do okay for the people that don't know. Facebook is very you got to you got to please them. See you can't serve the you know. So also, you do things on there that may not be as well. In our show. It's us. It's really are. You know, it's a real life experiences. We can turn them up to ten we can have a fun time. Yeah. So mom, had never seen that side of me. You know, she lived all than any so much out there really. I could not believe in. We'll my mom lives that you the whole, I think, she saw show you did the last time. Joe every. Every week to say thing like mom, this is the fifth time you seen the same show. She's it's funny. She loves it. Well, here he'll say the same shit all the time. But every time he's out there. I'll still crank can't hear people say shit that we say, no land. Right. Right. It's Jaggard how much writing do you do now. Or is it basically you're just known you don't right now? Just dull. Yeah. And like, you know, like I'll get, you know safe. I wanna do I a bit on, you know, each tuck strip club. Right. I'll have it written down. He took a strip club. And then that's it. Yeah, they're not kind of improv the rest of Nasscom four over worn our set. That's it. That's it. That's it. You just let I haven't one word or two. I see a lot of comedians actually. But also see some comedians and literally have a book with them and they write by hand all the time. And they also said, would they righted by hand it's better for their memory view? Yeah. I couldn't do it. You can I feel much worse than ever. But, you know what's really FBI? You know what I mean? I wound up, you know, get them skill for the early, but I was pretty good. Spilling them alive. Believe it or not. I was good at reading comprehension. I'm good at English. Predictive texts in Tex-Mex jointly ruined. My total room me, how 'bout you writing hand shit? When I try to go to fill out now, put Kim, like Dr Knight, the right by me. I'm like, oh my. Our you pay my beans, like they have to think like he don't even go hand. With a pencil woman told me day, I always play my child's for three Wilmore WalMart that way that, you know, I have paid it now that good shit. Walmart's WalMart, WalMart is how pay much out that's normal the sure to sign that has kind of how we did anyhow, I was setting up there in a field out the wool mart or WalMart doing. It was new gala, WalMart, the other day where I live over powder takes us. And she looked at it, and she goes, you wrote this, and I guess, you said you like a serial killer. Oh, guessing how ever eleven hail new, you know what a serial killer. Right. Like you Sacco house. She's like just joking. What you get this going to say that should. Freaking me in who you are so ever. Oh, yeah. Now ever since then I take my time. I'm like, I've got ride like a serial killer any. I don't know what they would call my ready you. Did you legible? You can't read it. They did they'd be like this kidneys a football him. Right. Right. Andrew has any of my signatures ever looked to say. None. Blessed insure campus. I always do I always do a smiling face with whiskers just to prove that it was mind. You don't never know what the hell is gonna move by. Oh my God. So you guys can't MRIs guys off the hook comedy club all weekend to shows tonight to shows tomorrow. One show Sunday, hysterical show. Guys, you're grabbing Naples, Florida right now. It's a gorgeous day. You're going to be with us all weekend give if you're not going to show you're not going to be laughing this week here. It'd be there. But I guarantee you, it's going to be one of the best comedy shows you. How can they find you on social media on Facebook is just Andrew Cohen on YouTube? It's android. Con comedy. C O N n con CO in. Yeah. And on Instagram, official Andrew Cahn tell someone take the unofficial. I do I'm telling you, like there was just an amazing amount of people. They are. You know, I finally just make a fischel. This is me. Gotcha. 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Illegal Cheese, The Worst Dairy Disaster, Holes in People (and Cows)
"He weirdos. You might notice that this episode sounds a little different from our usual weirdest thing recordings, and that's because your about to listen to the first half of our very first live show which we had on September fourteenth at caveat in New York City, we loved it. We had so much fun and we're really excited to share it with you, and we're even happier if you were able to join us in person. Thanks so much to everyone who bought a ticket and came out. It was awesome to meet you weirdos and person. Next week we'll be back with a regular episode of weirdest thing. Thanks for listening. Popular science. We report and write dozens of science and tech stories every week, and a lot of the fun facts. We stumble across make it into our articles. There are a lot of other weird facts that we just keep around the office. So we figured why not share those? It's you welcome to the weirdest thing. I learned this week. A podcast from the editors of popular science. I'm Rachel men. I'm Mary Beth Greg's and I'm Sarah Trudeau sh. So thank you. On the weirdest thing I learned this week, we start by each teasing a little fact that we picked up while reading writing reporting, prepping for a live show, whatever. And we decide which one we absolutely have to hear more about first than after we've all had time to spin those little science yarns, we reconvene and decide what the weirdest thing we learned this week actually was now given that this is a live show and our first live show at that. A few things will be like a little weird. Like for example, I'm going to have a timer on my phone so that we don't go over. And when it goes off, if we're still talking, we're just gonna scream and be super weird about it, and that'll be fun. You may also notice that we pretend that we're picking an order for stories to go in. Even though we very clearly have a PowerPoint that is in a particular order. So welcome to the magic of podcasting. And with that Mary Beth, would you give us your teeth? Absolutely. So what I'm gonna tell you guys about this week is in my opinion, the greatest dairy disaster of all time, high bar. And Sarah, what about your teeth? I am going to be talking about an illegal cheese. Well, my tease is that it'll come back around to dairy, but you won't like how we get there. Also, I really want to start the night on an illegal notes, so I'm going to vote for illegal cheese. Fabulous. I am. Could I grab that that clicker for the totally PowerPoint. Power point. They're just visual aids. Yeah, we want to enrich the experience the magical podcasting, but in person. All right. So before I tell you about the illegal cheese, I just want to remind you of few foods that you may have heard of that are totally legal to sell and consume, including up from entered shark from Iceland which multiple people have said was the worst thing that they've ever tasted fubu which is pufferfish, which if not prepared properly, we'll kill you totally legal. And you can also eat octopus arms that have just been severed and can stick their little suckers in there in your throat as you try to eat it and suffocate, that is totally legal. But this Mark, you use cheeses, not legal, and you might ask yourself, what does it take to make cheese a legal. And the answer is maggots. I'm many. It's more than you think they're going to be. So Cossio Mars new, which I'm sure I'm between the pronunciation of literally means rotten cheese in Sardinian. So it is a Denia tradition. You make it by leaving a wheel of peck arena cheese, like a big wheel and you cut the top off and then you just sort of leave it outside. My favorite way to cook. You leave it like in your barn, say because the goal is that you want cheese flies to come and lay their eggs inside the cheese, and then the they hatch into larva, and then the larva come along and they eat the cheese, and they digest all the lipids and proteins, and they break it down in their digestive juices, get all up in the cheese, and it turns into a big soupy mess. And then you eat it. Do you. Okay. So I'm just gonna. I'm going to show you some photos. There's like there's one. There's one gift. I'm really sorry. You have to see it to appreciate it. I watched. I watched videos of this for you guys trying to figure out what to put on here and I was horrified by the video. So it's just photos and and get one get really. Okay. So this is a cheese you can see how gooky it is, but you can't really appreciate how many maggots in here. Those are the maggots. It looks a little more solid here and then. So you can see liberty active? Yes. So you see like they're lifting up the lid because. So do that. She's at the cheese Clin, isn't it? Nice. So can I expect that much maggot activity maybe move to the no tie. Can I check that much maggot activity in my jeez. Oh, yeah. You you for sure. Can in order to eat the cheese, the maggots will have to be alive because of course, if they've died, it's considered bat, right? So they're alive. And the unfortunate thing these larvae are called cheese skippers because they do this thing where they sort of they're small, but they curl into a little ball, and then they sort of fleeing themselves upwards because they're trying to escape if they think there's a danger like, say, you're going to eat them, they're trying to escape. And so they jump like six inches out of the fees. So to eat it, you have to spread the cheese on a cracker, a piece of bread, and then you have to cover it with your hand because their larva. So if they get like in your eyes or your nose, they want to eat you, you'll you'll become the cheese. Exactly. Do the do they actually eat, you will Bill. They try to. I mean, I couldn't are. Sorry, looked for case reports of cable. Okay, who had? Okay, what had problems I couldn't find any. So I think I think probably it's that if you are willing to eat the cheese, you're probably practiced enough that you know how to do it safely. As safely as you can eat maga- cheese, which is is not that safe. So some people I found a few case reports where people had gotten fly larva in their intestines. Oh God. It's not clear that it was from the cheese. Maybe they just ate some other cheese fly larva. I don't know where they might have ingested it. Why they follow to fly? Oh, it was a good one. So you, I mean, deans would tell you that it's a perfectly safe. Jeez. They've been eating it for generations and they never have any problems. But I will tell you that the Sardinians also believed that the maggots arise spontaneously inside the cheese which you may recall. We disproved like, I think a couple of hundred years ago, there was an experiment and they had to put the meat in the jarred prove that the maggots actually had to be, but like I get it as if it's if eating that is such an integral part of being Dineen for you, like it eases the horror of it yet. The maggots come from the cheese. Their specialty is. Yeah, they are not typically flavorful. Not an infestation, definitely not in infancy. So what if I want my cheese with not live maggots in it so you are, you can kill them, some Sardinians kill them. You don't wanna wait long enough that they die on their own you. You have to murder them, so you can. You can like crush them into kind of pace so that they blend with the cheese. Your other option, which I'm going to be honest, is not better is that you can put them in like a paper bag, and then you like roll the paper bag up and you close it so that they start suffocating. But unfortunately, because they do jump when they think that they're endangered, they do sort of like like popcorn in a bag. And that's how you how popcorn, you know it's done when it stops popping hell. I'm not joking. That's how you tell that the cheese is ready to eat. Oh, boy. Yeah, it's horrifying. I did find a silly because this is it's illegal in the EU and also in the US to sell to anyone. So if you go to dania and you want to try this, which I know you do after listening to this podcast, you can't buy in a store. Everyone who you ask, we'll tell you like we would never sell that cheese so unsafe, but a couple of food writers shocked it down. So I wanna read you this quote from someone who tried it, it was strong challenging, but actually very enjoyable. It hinted of gorgonzola and black pepper, but left a thick film in my mouth preventing me from forgetting that the little buggers currently digesting inside my stomach. I think that was the sound of our online director Michele Bob. I'm so so sorry. Yeah, they are. They're trying to get a LEGO protected designation of origin, which is like gorgonzola which she mentions and like most of a huge number of other cheeses have, which is that you know, if you have a food that in your area has been prepared in a very traditional way for a long enough time, you can basically get the EU to like wave the sanitary requirements that they put on other food. So they're trying to get this because it would mean that if they got it, they would be allowed to legally sell you maggot cheese. The EU has been unconvinced the the university of Serie which I again, I'm I'm sure I'm not pronouncing correctly mayday a hygienic version in two thousand five, which did still have maggots, but it was a controlled maggot level. And after that failed after the you didn't care about that, they think they sorta gave up, but my hot take on the cheese because I had to turn it around. I felt like I couldn't just be gross sleazy. You have about two minutes. Great. Your mind argument. Okay. My closing argument is that this is just a macro version of regular cheese, like cheese is little organisms that live in your cheese. They're still living when you buy the cheese and they break down the lipids and the proteins, and they turn them into compounds that taste good to us, or at least to most people, I personally love all kinds of cheese mean blue cheese, like that's mold. Yelled is growing inside your cheese, and it's breaking down and make an tastes good to you. This is just this just a bigger version of that. It's gross. It's definitely gross, but it's just a big version. Well, I look forward to you try this. I'm not sure I would try it. I might. I might crush them into a paste and try. I wouldn't seek it out. I think that would make it worse for me. I would know they were there and I would. I don't know. I don't know. I just I want them dead, right? I think I would not crush them because if everybody is extensively dislike, maggot pace that I think I've like Trump inside your mouth thing that I think maybe I just won't eat this. Yeah, I think that's probably the way to go. It's a, it's a fairly horrifying, jeez, but it is the weirdest thing I learned this week, so it's appropriate. Well, wonderful. I love him with time to spare. Yes, quick one minute. Fair, amazing. It's real easy to get confused by all the tech news flying around the internet on last week in tech, the popular science tech team explains everything and tells you how all of these stories affect your daily life. New episodes post every Monday on apple podcasts, Google play music soundcloud and pretty much anywhere else. You can listen to podcasts. We'll talk to you then. Up next. Kind of body her. Both of my stories for tonight could be described as body horror, Saint Brandon, go to. I think we're going to go to Mary Beth for a dairy disaster. Yeah, Alec cleanser. Yeah, it's it's it's not quite as well. Just get into it. Yeah, a little. It's still a little bit. Gruesome a little bit a little bit. But I mean, I gotta say after after looking at those images, I just want to kill it all with fire, like just burn, burn that cheese. I love cheese. I like fire fire is cool. And you said she's on fire. That's usually a pretty good combination. And initially I was going to talk to you all about one of my favourite disasters of all time which happened in Norway five years ago, a truck carrying twenty seven tons of round goat cheese, which is a Norwegian, delicacy. It is lovely. It is creamy. It has no maggots. Then what's the point. Bullring each their own really. So anyways, twenty-seven tons or nearly sixty thousand pounds of goat. Cheese is just chugging along down the highway and then in the middle of a highway tunnel in northern Norway. It caught on fire. And it burned. Oh, did it burn burn. It had such a high fat and sugar content that it burned like gasoline. It burned for five days. Which completely just if flabbergasted everybody, which which I thought was just completely wild and wonderful, and it closed the tunnel down for weeks. And you know it's fantastic but that that everyone that that is just the appetizer, the Soghi appetizer, if you will, because see I was looking into what was then my favorite dairy related fire. I thought I would poke around and see what else was out there. And it turns out that this happens more often than you would think. In twenty eleven. There were two cheddar related fires in Somerset England. New Zealand has seemed to massive cheeses fires. It's it's an epidemic. And then I came across the greatest flaming dairy story of all which occurred back in one thousand nine hundred one and a found it. Thanks to this amazing clip from news, three in Madison, Wisconsin. The next day we find out that it was starting to come out. It literally came out. Gushes. Butter. Working head for day. Yes. Yes. River of butter at your river of butter, welcome my friends to the great Madison butter fire. So this was described by some of the firefighters on scene as a football field of flames. It was a five hundred thousand square foot storage facility that held thirteen million pounds of butter and seven million pounds of cheese. So that's that's twenty million pounds of dairy total. It's stored butter surplus for the US government. It's stored food for Oscar Mayer that will come back later. Remember that stored eggs and butter for local farms that were all ready to go to market. And so as you might have gathered from the Norwegian, she's fire. Dairy contains a lot of fat fat burns. It burns very well and it burns it fairly low temperatures. Like three hundred fifty degrees Fahrenheit is smoke point for butter. This all presented the firefighters with some very serious challenges. Fire. Yeah. Yeah. And that was that was kind of just the broader picture. And and this is a really amazing fire because it was like a maze and it was refrigerated. And so it had tons of installation and so everything that was keeping it cold also, you know, started keeping everything hot and the grossness that was faced by the firefighters. I mean, you saw part of this. It was so bad. The city eventually had to replace all of the firefighters uniforms for the city at a call. At a call just dreading in butter inched in butter. It was like a seafood dinner, but like a nightmare. And it ended up costing just just hundreds of thousands of dollars. Got stuck on the reef ones. When I was falling back into a whole l. was lovely to my neck. All all butter. Can you that's more gross to me than the magazines. It was up to my neck and it was all boaters butter just all better and and the butter is just the start of this because this is such a massive, massive blaze there to this day. There are firefighters that fought this fire that will not eat hotdogs. Thanks to what they witnessed that day. Louise. Ever wrote it backwards. Cases, the hot dog just going. I think I can imagine being traumatized by, I would never ever just like the smell. I don't think I heard of butter. We're hotdogs. Again, one hot dog is already quite intense Ray cases. And, and so I mean, we've been talking about the challenges of the firefighters and they ended up learning a lot from this fire. It ended up in so many ways really. But they did learn a lot about industrial fires and how to battle them. That's always kind of a challenge because these big facilities are end up being mazes because they're always the stuff inside is laid out in different configurations. They had to sit down with blueprints and kind of map out where everything was in order for the firefighters to get in and out safely. So it was it was a challenge in a lot of different ways. But then there was also the environmental cleanup, twenty pounds of store. Centrally turning warehouse into a deep fryer on fire file through the DNR had to go down or any of the nasty, unconscious. And at one point, the neighborhood was waited for fear an. Split. Ideas years writer, yes floating, yes. Oh my God, deep fryer on fire. He did. He wanted to call it sir. I mean he should help. Yeah, because this is is beautiful, and we will absolutely have the entire clip up for your viewing pleasure on pop on hop side dot com. And I mean, this fire actually started and you can see kind of the size of it in this this screen shot. It was it was huge. The blaze dominated the skyline. It ended up costing about one hundred million dollars. No one was injured. No one was killed, but it took until twenty ten. Remember this happened back in nineteen Ninety-one. It took until twenty ten for all of those refrigeration facilities to be rebuilt and the fire itself it burned for eight days. Oh my God, like a minora, like a mood. Mir miracle. So you know, you can think of that. I. Wow, truly the greatest dairy disaster of our time. I, I feel better for the maggots too. Warming. I can't believe it's hot butter. Thank you. POWs, looking for Super Bowl, popular science merge. We've got you covered at pup. I dot threatless dot com. Pick up t shirts, notebooks and mugs with icon. Vintage covers and illustrations ripped from the magazine plus check out our podcast store and rep. Your favorite shows like last week in tech into the weirdest thing I learned this week that's pop site dot threatless dot com p. o. p. SEI dot Douglas dot com. Pull that curtain a second. I did pick this fact before. I knew that these two wonderful ladies had both independently spontaneously pick dairy related attacks. And I said, I can get a dairy angle into this and you'll hate it. Body har-, dairy. Where are we going? So. Sorry, but your own tickets. Team by nother one. No, it's fine. Okay. So undoing six eighteen twenty two. Alexis Martin who is an eighteen year old French-Canadian working for the American for a company in Michigan territory. He received a life changing musket wounds. He was accidentally shot in the back from very close range, lost bits of muscle and rib. Duck shot lacerated his lungs and diaphragm, and most importantly, punched right through his stomach. Saint Martin was not in a good way. And when doctor William Beaumont tended to him about a half hour later, there was like a bit of burnt lungs sticking out of his wound. His breakfast was using he bled. He had a fever. He coughed so hard, and he's long bits kept poking out this is in the medical literature for the record, but then he not better his bowel started working regularly. Again, despite the hole in his stomach and his appetite returned. He was basically an indentured serve. Vent, by the way he was an immigrant and he had no prospects so far from home, he couldn't go back to work. So the choice was basically ship him back to Canada or somebody take responsibility for him and take care of him which Dr Beaumont saw as a huge opportunity because colo- Saint Martin was otherwise in decent health. His wound had healed around a whole that peered right into stomach. That is a fistula that isn't nipple. It's not a very good picture. But it was eighteen twenty two. So this is all I have. I'm sorry. So yes, so Beaumont like cared for Saint Martin, but it was kind of an exploitative relationship because we knew very little about the human digestive system at that time and sew Beaumont was like, I can watch this in real time. And so he conducted a bunch of experiments. Move to this. Oddly homo erotic, drawing of the two of them. And we'll just stay on that for a while. Just let it sink in. This is undated. So for all we know someone could have drawn this in Beaumont's living room. They had a weird dynamic for sure. And basically Beaumont would like he did. He did like the kind of experiments you would expect like a middle school boy to do he like dipped bits of meat in the stomach hole. And at one point he actually Licht Saint Martin's Mt. Stomach. To determine that it was only a when there is food in there. So you did. He did learn quite a bit about digestion and like the movement of the stomach and the movement of food through the digestive system. Sorry, I ask a question. Sure, yeah. How big was the whole? Are we talking like like them finger and go back say so you could fit a finger through there? Okay. Maybe figures. Here's my real question. If he like bent over what is summit contents Poro. So I know that I really tried to find literature describing like how precarious was the stomach will situation. All I know is that when he ate, he did have to bandage it to keep stuff from leaking out. But other than that, he lived at totally normal life. He went back to like doing manual labor, various points in his life. He fathered six children. Yeah, he did fine. Right? But yes, so Beaumont kept same are under his care for two years. Alexis. Eventually came to resent this who knows why. You know this guy, this guy who was like, you're basically my servant and I lick your stomach. Sometimes. And also the locals were really mean to him. They kept calling him the men without a stomach or the man who stomach has no lid, which is just vicious. Wow, that's cruel, schoolyard tone threat. So he ran off and got married, had kids and Beaumont kept like trying to get him back because Beaumont was really making a name for himself a writing this up inside typic- journals, and he always look at their faces come on. Yeah, they loved each other exactly or at least Beaumont. Yeah. Go. But he, yeah, he kept trying to get him to sign contracts which occasionally Alexis did sign. He would get like one hundred, two hundred dollars agreeing to do several years of of experiments. Alexis could not read or write. So that was very chill of Beaumont to give him contracts to sign. And he eventually went back to Canada for good lived into his seventies and again, fathered six children. And yeah, at one point when he was kind of in this on again off again, exploitative patient doctor relationship with Dr Beaumont. He was offered a contract and his wife went to live. They all went to live with Dr Bromont though the wife and the kids, and she was like, I don't get why you keep having this guy do experiments on you when you're perfectly capable of like doing a manual trade that was, she was like, I don't get why we're doing this when you could be like logging. So he apparently was in great health. Now, later on Beaumont would frequently complain about how much money he'd spent on Alexis. He would say that he had a bad temper and he was like greedy. And this narrative existed into papers in the written in the sixties and seventies found very modern academics who were just like, oh yes, and it's notorious that Alexis was just such a money grabber. You know, he really took advantage of Dr Beaumont, which really says a lot about, like. Epochs inside. I mean, I, this guy has a bad temper stuff in his stomach. Yup, same. I'm with you on that one twenty, but so we did learn a lot about digestion, but like, did we need to do this? I hope not. You know, I think it is not an experiment. We would repeat today. One twenty thirteen study argues that Saint Martin actually helped inspire doctors to actually examine their patients like directly when deciding how to treat them because they were inspired by Beaumont's case notes that involves such like personal like making people stomach, right, you people, but nobody it was at that time pretty common for doctors to just like list off your symptoms and be like, so you have this like not really physically examined you very much. So he also undoubtedly inspired our modern fistula did research? Yes. Oh, we fistula things on Turpin if you tell us more about that. Yes, usually cows. So there are many, many, many fistula cows. Look at this American Tableau. That's that's a boy with his arm and a cow. So the cow is not in any physical pain become really chill about the house count. Fish, deleted cows are on the whole extremely chill about the whole thing. But why does this research this? Why put a hole in a cow? Great question. So cows that are fed on corn which we really like growing a lot of and using for a lot of things in America, they get terrible gut problems because that is not what they have evolved to eat. They like grass, not corn. So kind of the initial fish elated cow research was about preventing that kind of impaction and pain in cows. So first of all, you can physically like get an impaction out, but it also creates research animals for them to study the room. And I know it's really gross. I the idea of someone like reaching this is a little bit backup. We'll just certainly have a little. And they are like stoppers over it when they're not doing a procedure that Alexis needed. We'll stop. Alexis really needed a stopper and his life. Did. And there's also a lot of research now looking at how the cow gut microbiome handles food and how that contributes to their production of methane cows burp and fart. A lot of methane and that is a potent greenhouse gas. So a lot of researchers are looking at like, how can we kind of tweak the cow microbiome to make that happen less or I don't know, you could eat less beef. Or we could put moles in cows, Rachel come on, it's much more account. So yeah, that's my fact. I like the dairy angle. I was brought it. They did. I read it home, brought it home. All right. Well, we have all stayed under time. We're all heroes in champions tonight. Should we to the audience decide what the weirdest thing they learned. All right. So. Stomach cole. I know it wasn't very good. Dairy fire. There live for you burn play. Fire. Manatees. It's close, but I think the dairy fire their house. The weirdest thing I learned this week is a popular science podcast. So grab on apple podcast. Google play music soundcloud, or you're listening right now. And if you like what you hear, please rate and review on itunes, it helps other weirdos find the show. 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Ebola is back can it be contained? podcast
"They. Today, the world's second-biggest outbreak of a Abol ever is underway in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Can it be contained on Tellem pit on whether the northern powerhouse has made a difference? I'm standing outside the Bulla treatments entering cat were on the outskirts of the Tembo. And I'm waiting for a group of patients who survived the disease to be released for for celebration. They were greeted. It was an amazing motion moment, mean the singing and dancing certificate. I mean, quite sweetly all the survivors, give them paper hats to where. It was just remarkable, you know, and that kind of realize, ation, the terrible is this diseases with the right treatment to it is survivable. In a way, what the guardians Peter Beaumont was witnessing was a symbol of progress. Bala has long been seen as a death sentence. But here with people surviving it. And yet help work is awestruck Ling, persuade others who may also have contracted this highly contagious disease to even come to the clinic, this quite a bit controls that you see the survivor ceremony lightness with what's going on out in the community were, you know, this place. It's been very, very isolated even within Congolese society. There are still a large number of people who actually believe that a bowler exists. You know, if you bought into this conspiracy theory that it's something that's been brought into harm them from outside the Democratic Republic of Congo is struggling to contain the second biggest baller outbreak of all time this weekend. The World Health Organization warned that had been over two thousand two hundred cases with more than fifteen hundred deaths. That is mortality rate of seventy percent significantly higher than the last time this deadly disease took hold, which began in two thousand fourteen from the guardian. I'm new. Astana today in focus, it Bolla is back. But can it be contained? Very big epidemics. Biggest one we've ever had so far started in Guinea, and this was in a very small village where a little boy of a little less than two years old court Ebola viral disease. We believe that he probably eight monkey meat or fruit bat meat. The boy fell ill at the end of two thousand thirteen as a bona began to spread into two thousand fourteen the guardians health editor, Sarah -ly traveled to west Africa to cover the story. The family nurse. Tim and viral disease in humans is spread by bodily fluids. So you find that people sweat a lot. They bleed they vomit and those bodily fluids that had that carry the virus. So the people nursing them the people closest to them. Most at risk. Do we know boy died? Yes, the boy died yet within a couple of days. His family were infected. They think about fourteen members of that community actually had it bone viral disease. But what tends to happen is that you get a funeral and then everybody comes along to the funeral. They touched the body, the body is washed and kissed and certainly the disease is well known to, to spread that way. So from a few cases, it can spread out to the rest of the village to larger community and then people travel, and in that part of Africa, people traveled across borders because this was in the south of Guinea, and an area that was right on the edge also, Sierra Leone and Liberia. And so how quickly did it spread what we know is that it took three months or so before people realized that this was in the midst, and it was because we'd never seen it bone west Africa before. So doctors and nurses, had no idea really what it was. But it was she spreading very fast. But undercover. And there were lots of cases before it was actually called. Did he show freeze Pauline on Kinney lapel Bishop data? We'd been aid. He said, they'd never seen this disease that people had I mean what does about a look like it? Boehner is characterized actually by fever mostly, and that can be anything that can easily be malaria, so you get fever. And then you get people vomiting and sweating a lot as well. And eventually, you get copious bleeding is a hemorrhagic fever. So I hate service, people can beat from the is, is really really nasty by that time. You can't compete with anything else. But if you haven't seen it before, then you don't know what to call it. And when you know you've got this terrible terrible outbreak. What is the immediate response? The media response by governments is terror actually, because the, the governments of Sierra, Leone, and Liberia Guinea, did not want people to, to think that they had a problem and they're. Immediate reaction was. Hey, it's all right. We can deal with this. Just shut it down. We'll get lots of nurses on the case and treat people, and we'll stop it happening. Stop it in its tracks straightaway. From you'll reports it's obvious that health where because on the ground didn't feel the countries could contain it themselves. You wrote about league t malls to the World, Health Organization backing for help, what happened. Well, the World Health Organization was heavily criticized for not get in sooner, but they did realize in eventually, that this was actually what they classify as a public health emergency of international concern, which actually means that other countries will come in with with volunteers, and with a lot more money. The world. Health Organization says only international support will bring the outbreak under control the world, really only sat up and took any notice. When people like Pauline Kathy, the volunteers from the UK arrived back in the UK was diagnosed with the bowler, the UK's first Bola patients pulling coverge has been transferred from Glasgow in Scotland and says was a Liberian man who is visiting relatives in Dallas, Texas. And we begin with all the latest on the Bulla crisis as that patient in Dallas struggles right now so much fear. The epidemic spread right here in America. And at that point suddenly, so new territory, sign people were really, really frightened about his in the media were writing all sorts of scary stories about how infectious disease was how we roll risk. You at the time out the guardian you decided to go out that, well, this was the biggest health story in the world at that time. And I just felt I really needed to go and see it for myself. And to write something firsthand about his most of the people, I knew thought it was a crazy decision to go with it near A Bola because of all the scary things we'd heard. But in fact, I knew that it, it's quite a difficult thing to catch the body fluids of people who, who are sick all carry the virus, and you can only get it if those body fluids, get into your bloodstream or into your eyes or until mouth, so the virus has to get into your body from this. And so where did you go? I went to Sierra Leone and from there, I took a UN flight to internet barriers. Well while you're there, you visited charities, such as medicine some frontier, where did they take you MSF off to take me into Monrovia where they were giving malaria, tablets to two people? But this was in a tightly packed slum area, really of Monrovia lose lose lose of thousands of people all living together very closely. So it was a high risk area for bone as well before, I went they said there are some rules before if you're going to come with us, and you must not touch anything. You must not touch anybody. And you must not sit down. Does there there's rules of engagement? So by two thousand sixteen two and a half years after this outbreak started. There have been twenty eight thousand six hundred cases and eleven thousand three hundred twenty five deaths. How did they eventually contain it? They contained it really eventually through the new vaccine that they were trialing the using what they called a ring method with his facts, which means, vaccinating, everybody known to have come into contact with anybody who fell ill with the bona and stamped it out, eventually the lowest clusters wearing Guinea, which is whereas begun. So began ended. In guinea? So since the outbreak, the have been small cases in the Democratic Republic of Congo in central Africa. But nothing like what we are seeing now. What makes this different this is in such a complicated area with lots of different tribes conflicts, and poverty, and poor health care systems. And in the words of Jerry Farah, who stir at welcome. It's absolutely terrifying. Tiny last trip with sort of festively as sort of wooden shot because the reception pizza on senior reporter on the guardians, global development desk, traveled to Tembo and northeastern city at the heart of this crisis. You get off the helicopter. And the first thing as half everywhere you go, you sort of get stalled to have your temperature taken with one of these little thermometer. Heat gun things put your head. You're immediately asked to sort of wash your hands in chlorine solution, which dispenses for all over that part of the Congo, and then someone with a spray up who gets you to lift up the soles of your shoes and sprays, your shoes with this same chlorine solution. What we you wanting to cover. I wanted to meet survivor, because I wanted them to tell me what the disease was like how they felt about the disease because even as I was going up there, I'd met met officials and one of the things they said to me, it was very, very striking with this kind of situation. In what people didn't believe in the disease. They kind of thought that it was a trick by the government, because most of the people in this region from Nande ethnic group who who've been in opposition for long time, they believed that this was some something that had been brought to harm them. And it's just one of the wild rumors circulating. Who does? Of your lives to one. One of the people, I was was a guy called Moi's a. Who had thirteen members of his family died of day by lavar is and the reason they died, it was because I didn't actually believe that the disease existed. So when his grandson caught the disease, a lot of members of the family touched the body, even though there was A Bola in the area will ready and people knew that it was around, they'd convince themselves that, that he'd been poisoned and this goes on. There's about full five people the illness, they die, one of the most shocking things I think he told me was the one heat got worried he'd gone to see a local traditional in one of the little clinics and even the dog. So he went to see he told me it's held him know about it doesn't exist. Lau even the doctors were saying that even the dogs told him that on so us getting sick. He finally this is enough enough. He decided to go and get treatment. And when I say, you know, those resume. Since in the family when, when a vaccination team went to see them they threw stones them from from the treatment centre. He was sending us a message to his wife. I think you really should get vaccinated. And she sang for what it doesn't exist, does she she survived. I mean well, he's being treated in the treatment center. Eight of the members of his family. Why don't they believe in about? It's complicated. Tembo is a fair unique place even Fano kiva. I mean, there's been conflict in this part of, of DLC for for over twenty years. And they feel as though they've been very much the victim of a loss of the violence. And so they are terribly suspicious of outside. They thought that kind of government backed scheme. Almost was poisoning them. Yeah, it was a conspiracy, and there's a conspiracy theories spread them. What's up groups and joined the elections the end of last year? They're even politicians who telling people know this deceased doesn't exist. I mean it was cynical. It was manipulated kind of played on people's fears about ciders, and I'm with terrible consequences, not just for the people who died of the disease, but also in terms of the shell levels of hostility towards tools health response. I mean and poten- Bo both of the treatment centers were attacked. WHO docks, who was was assassinated in hospital, vaccination teams have being attacked going out. I mean, it's I mean, it's the reason that it's been so difficult got under control in this particular area. People I spoke to on this trip. No just one but several described it as, as being one of the most complicated public health emergencies and has straight. I visited one of the health centers in Kotla, which was attacked earlier in the year. I mean, they're still holes and bits of the wolves, they burned down policy. It. They were filling these big som- bike things called Hess goes to, to kind of further protectors. She while I was the count was centered. You were in a room full suspected, my, my one of the local militias came into the center to rested into escapes, but, I mean that gives you a sense of the kind of security fairs that continue around the health site, they have people coming in to be treated with suspected about, how do they deal with these patients, the make sure that containing the disease Thursday, kind of triage procedure does a kind of a lane that you can come in here. We have the entry is the principal entry of the Ebola treatments. Inter take the secure land, and they came and they have a seat, and we have a distance of separation between the investigator, and the patients, there's a special gate, you come in you go down the lane. There's a safe separation of about ten v. Eighteen feet to were essentially someone can talk to fill in a form. They can ask you about your symptoms. I mean do you have a headache vomiting diarrhea to have stomach pain? But also crucially have you had contact with someone else, you think may have had the disease. Did you meet in the treatment centers at my father and son coming in for assessment? I mean the boy had a headache. The sun is having some sometimes, and those symptoms, I let us that it could be a positive cases. So the Sony's despoil had had come in and he was he had a he had a very bad had. I just one of the signs of disease and it started to be on the safe side. So they came in. They recessed we're brought brought into the area to be tested a suspect cases class when you actually reporting on this, and you're in that, Raymond the boys with the head I we, you wearing protective clothing. No. I mean so. There are low risk areas and there are high risk areas. You don't go into the high risk areas. I mean what you do is you avoid physical contact with anyone. Wash your hands in chlorine, almost every corner in the centers, you either have rubber boots on your fate. You swap out your shoes for rubber boots. And as long as you have that barrier, you should be fine. So Bella is always save not completely terrifying on stoppable and uncurable disease has that changed. I think has changed. I mean, I think it's changed for lots of reasons. I mean once upon a bogeyman disease had a terrible reputation, it was like something out of the Walking Dead. But, but actually, you have these new experimental vaccines. You have new therapies, I mean, it should no longer be the death sentence. It once was and, you know, talking to people involved in the effort and Congo the two previous phases. This out, bright and said look, you know, two months we were getting under control, and then they run into them and then suddenly, they're looking a place where it's incredibly hard to work, and they suddenly realize. Yes, we can control this. It is not the horror story. We thought it once was, but you put it in a situation like this, this catastrophic combination of circumstances. And suddenly, it looks really, really frightening again. And it looks frightening not just because of the disease and is frightening disease. But because this is what happens when you get a terrible disease breaking out on the place. Where is next to no governance, terrible security. No acceptance from the population. It's a perfect storm for for an epidemic. Sarah. The Rice's on to contain this disease, all that, fizz, that it could now spread beyond the Diaz say I've talked to quite a lot of people in NGOs, working in Goma, which is on the Rwandan border, and they are really worried about that. It's going to spread the when it guest a city light that you've got real problems because people lived so close together. So the, the transmission rates is going to be quite high. It has gone into Uganda. That was a report of a case in Kenya. And there's also south Sudan, far away so around this area, because it's in this particular part of DLC this plenty of scope for moving elsewhere, and the World Health Organization, unlike in two thousand fourteen have said that while they say a health emergency, it is a public health emergency of international concern. Do you think they will right to say that? I'm more implications. Does not have quite a lot of people. I respect who don't think they were right in saying that hesitate to second. Guests that WHO myself, but really, it would have brought in the international help is probably needed. We've seen ready. This is just getting worse and worse. And it doesn't seem to be possible, either for the, the government in DLC all the NGOs that there are at the moment. They can't control it themselves. So really to get in the international coordination that we had in west Africa would be hugely helpful, and you need to declare the international dimension of this. If you're really going to get those, those in WHO has said already that they are short of money for this. They said that an April, they've only got half the money that's been promised unlikely that they will get the funds they need unless they do make this an international emergency. You can read Peter by amounts reporting from Tampa and Sarah as lease coverage of about at the guardian dot com. Coming up in two thousand fourteen George Osborne launch the so-called northern powerhouse a proposal to boost economic growth in the north of England, five years on has it changed things or was it just a meaningless slogan? Now the Guardian's north of England editor Helen Pettit as what the northern powerhouse has actually done for people in the north. So five years ago when George Osborne was still chancellor of the exchequer, he came up to Manchester to give what turned out to be something of a landmark speech. He said, I'm here to talk about what we can do to make the cities of the north at powerhouse for our economy today, and he sets out to plan for rebalancing the economy. He said that the greats northern cities Liverpool Leeds, Manchester Newcastle would be stronger if they join together rather than being separate entities. He sets out a plan for investing in education in science and crucially and transport. So I must admit my first reaction to the speech was an enormous. I roll this was twenty fourteen they will one year out from general election. And I just saw this as a fairly pathetic attempts to win votes in the north of England. However, I quickly started to realize that they. Might have been some substance behind it. I remember ringing serve it should lease who is the very long standing leader of Manchester City council, which is extremely red and extremely labor at that point, I think ninety six labour councillors up -solutely no position on a set to rich it. What you make Joe Joe spoons northern powerhouse don't since then. And he said the speech. Yeah, we basically wrote it. I was like what and Easter. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've been having loads of conversations with the treasury over the past couple of years, going back and forth from the virgin Pendolino, and we have persuaded them to put some proper investment in the north high set rich these stories, and he basically said, well to be honest easier to deal with an all sometime. That's when I kind of thought, ok if the labor leaders of the north powerfully believed is taking this seriously. Then I probably should too. Perhaps the clearest sign of the northern powerhouse is the fact that many northern city regions now have mass. Five years on, I would argue that the northern powerhouse project has run out of steam, that's largely because Joe gels bone has gone. There are many who would not mourn, his departure from governments on the less, you can't deny that having the second most powerful person in government driving. The project was absolutely key to its initial momentum. He was, of course, also the architects of austerity which is seen as much as forty percent cuts in local government budgets since twenty ten. There are series of statistics, which have come out to Mark the five year anniversary, which really coal into question whether the northern powerhouses achieved anything a tool, and they claim that there are now two hundred thousand more northern children in poverty since twenty fourteen and they say that the number of light or council trains in the north has more than doubled as well over that time period, perhaps, most importantly, for all the talk of building the northern powerhouse that's actually being a three point. Six billion pound cooked in public spending in the north over the past ten years compared to a full billion rise in the south of England. I have to say five years on, I don't see too many grounds for optimism for me. If the government wants to prove that it is serious about the northern powerhouse it has got to commits to this new east west rail link northern powerhouse rail without it. It's all just bluster. Do read Hallam pits, brilliant, reporting on the website. My thanks to her, and to Sarah, basely and piece of. Episode was produced by Nikola Kelly, Elizabeth Casson Andy chambers sound design was by axel Kukuchi, the executive producers on a coal Jackson and fill my not. We'll be back tomorrow.
Methods To Mindfulness
"What's up. Everybody ashley here. Thank you for joining us for another episode of love me. I really appreciate it in. Today's episode is called methods to mindfulness. Today's episode we're gonna dive into what mindfulness is how it benefits us and ways that we can practice being more mindful mindful. Your minds are already full for the plan for the future. Full thoughts from the past. But let's bring it back way back not back to the future but back to the present being mindful helps us to be more present in the moment right in the now. Mindfulness is paying attention to everything. Our feelings and other people's feelings situations everything in the now as it happens so take notice to the now but not make a judgment about it just letting it flow flow. Let's ask ourselves. How can we be more present in the now. It's one of the actions that we take to be present and in the moment so say you're in the store and someone grabs the last set of weights or the last pack tissue. Would you going to be in that moment. Recognize your feelings. Irrationalism the situation so gay. You're gonna be mad. You're going to be frustrated but whatever you're looking for is gone off the shelf. No you shouldn't just go run up on take it go. Ask if there's more in the back or slow down and do what you can now. Also don't go down the road of coulda woulda shoulda or that big one that a lot of us like to do the i can't these phrases take out of the president and put us into a time. Instance does not going to happen because you didn't take the action and the moment has passed not trying to be harsh. Trust me. i'm not but this is something that i struggle with as well and i'm practicing rewriting my own narrative each day in each moment this is also closely attached to the power of words. Which will come to a later episode. So how does being mindful helpless aside from buying quarantine necessities ashley shoo. I'm glad you asked fam- being mindful can help our lives in our personal and professional relationships. Y'all this takes pressure off of a so much. It helps reduce stress and anxiety by regulating our emotions regular being present and paying attention helps us to control that racing in our heart and those repetitive non-productive thoughts that lead us to stress. You know the. Oh i'm going to go ahead and run up on them and get this tissue. Get these weights. I won't get mine because i was here. They were there now. That's not serving us. You know what. I'm saying this action. Let's self regulate. Like i said and self regulation is the pause between a feeling that you're feeling in that moment and action what you're going to do to react to that feeling or that situation. So the easiest way to describe it is when a toddler throws a tantrum then grows into childhood and learns to tolerate those same feelings then. The child grows into adulthood and better controls the impulses when faced with the same uncomfortable feelings. Now this is an ideal situation and none of us are perfect and it can be improved upon with practice and patience with yourself so let me give y'all example when someone leaves us on read we can take a sack and not assume what's going on on their end focus on you and whatever you were doing. Don't start creating a whole narrative about what they doing who they with why they didn't reply. Let's not let someone else's movie takeover to screen of our mind and don't take this mess personal. We already talked about that. In the frigate in were agreements now again. I'm not saying people don't do things like this on purpose but people do have a life to if they got no life in a plan it takes two to tango so let them dance. That dance alone. This ain't a you problem. Also in a workplace be mindful when accepting criticism can be tough. But it doesn't have to be just truly open up to what the other person has to say. Take a minute breathe and really listen. Don't question things while they're talking or talk smack about them in your head because you might be missing something that's key information and that could be something that can help you improve. Wait until after they speak for you to ask them clarifying questions so you can better understand how they see this and how they see you what situations and give you. Examples of of what solution can better improve an additional benefit to be a more mindful. Is it can open your mind up to re perceiving meaning that this can help you see things from a different perspective. Check it out when we say this. We mean we take a step back from our original thoughts emotions or body sensations of something like being left allred or reacting to these things the way we usually do experience them inexperienced that moment in those emotions and feelings and let them flow through us versus being controlled and defined by them when we go realize that these thoughts are set to begin with or. This isn't me. This isn't us in our minds acting this way doesn't make any sense and that's the real miracle grow grow f- y'all and you know what we grow now. We can't just check out mentally like we did when we were kids and just be just live in and go on through our days. We have to hold ourselves accountable. Now we're at the point where we use our own awareness so we can stop giving into these primal emotions when we get cut off in traffic or someone's always trying to run one up you. Is there a threaten this moment now. We have to love ourselves to do the work when you feel in the moment of urgency wanting to fight or instantly disagree with somebody let that go and pause before you react. Look at yourself. You're anxious freaked out pissed off. Just wake yourself up. Then feel these feelings. Ask yourself questions to fully assess why you're filling this way or take steps to bring your mind back to the present moment. The threat is in our minds. Don't let your mind be controlled now. I'm not saying that stress won't happen but practicing. Mindfulness can reduce the intensity of the stress. That you experience so here take to these and call me in the mountain and and now finally our methods to mindfulness one. Easy way to be more. Mindful is to use our senses so something as simple as noticing something in the room. You're in like feeling how your pants feel. The seems or noticing the shape of the desk the brightness of the lights and the temperature on the room or even the smell of the room maybe the smell of whatever smell. Good that you put on for the day. So focus on those simple aspects of narrow in your attention to that so that you're in the present moment and you're not thinking of other things in your mind that going back to the past or back to the future. Another one tide of this is after a long day. I liked to take a shower. And i feel how the water feels to me. Meaning the texture of it. Because you know you have the shower head and you can change. How how it actually comes out the way it feels the sensation of whether it's hot or cold and i take my time to enjoy the smell of body. Wash things that simple because when you kiss keep simple stupid but not stupid. Keep it simple smart when you keep things that simple. It really is almost that easy with practice. Of course or you can do breathing exercises. Take deep breaths and notice the air going in and out of your lungs and take a few breaths like that to bring yourself back. Maybe even grounding techniques that you've found these things help us to just be in that moment and it refocuses our attention on what's going on in that moment not what happened at work. Not someone cutting you off on the road or other things that your mind wants to drift off to be here now. Another method to mindfulness is too kindly. Say no to things that you don't wanna do. We touched on this in cornerstore convenience episode saying no to things that don't serve you relief possible stress on the back end for this practice. The more often you do it it gets easier. And you'll definitely appreciate in the now and later like we mentioned earlier with using our senses. Sit outside or wherever you enjoy being and breathe. The fresh air absorbed the present soundtrack of life. The cicadas crickets the traffic. The trains the water the wind the earth fire captain planet. He's a hero. You know we not go sing the song though for me. Mindfulness was new to my world a few years ago. My therapist at the time gave me some suggestions that she felt what help and referred me to some great resources on line. One of the ones. I came across. Was gratefulness. Exercises my gratefulness excises. Which you mean had had to look it up. I had to do some research. And i had to do the work. And that's the first step now. Gratefulness exercises are the best kept not so secret way to help. Be more mindful acknowledging. What we're grateful for drowns out much of the negative in our lives. Some forms of gratitude actually changes our brain by releasing dopamine and serotonin which are neurotransmitters that are responsible for happiness and they make us feel good. No halle berry. Mosser's ball adds. I had to you see monster's ball you know what it is. So let's get to story time because you know we always got a good story. Y'all recently i had a rough patch him alive and it comes around regularly around my birthday and it runs through father's day. So if you know me on a personal level Matt recently like navy personal level but personal level prior to Unless you're one of my great friends. I lost my stepdad and he was a prominent figure in my life. When i was seventeen and a blocked a lot of the feelings out for over ten years. And i thought i could just keep tugging out right dug it out you be. I just moved past it and ignore the feelings is kind of like what happens in this house stays in this house in same thing with your mind. Yeah okay now here all was could a woulda a low key and not facing what was in how it was me forever looking back well. Gratitude helped me so much here. Because i remember all the share beaumont's with him that i'm grateful for an all the life lessons that he taught me. I'm grateful because he played a huge role in helping me be who i am today. Every time he wanted me to come into a room and hug me when he really wanted me to hand him. The remote control like for real. You how you asked me to come in the room. Pretend you wanna hug and a hat me. Go get a remote control or get you. Some ice water made its the laughs the ups and downs. I show gratitude for. I live in the mindset of yuji ks international players ball while andre three thousand said no looking back spaceships dot com equip rear view mirrors. They dip at is true. They don't come quickly vermeer's so i assume but we don't see and see what's up with these aliens because i've never been on a spaceship so if y'all have let me know just playing but on on a real tip. Yeah there's a reason in life where we we use rear view mirrors or like your side mirrors as a quick reference. There's a reason that's not your windshield your windshield is what's in the present. You just use it as a quick reference for your real vermeer rear view mirrors to a quick reference lesson learned boom boom and then keep moving so let's dip our minds into remaining in the present moment. Hey y'all how do you say mindful these days. Let me know in the comments. This last episode on my g on methods to mindfulness at the art of ashley with underscores inbetween again. He didn't catch that on instagram at the underscore art underscore of underscore ashley h. L. e. y. And check us out for word up wednesday for the word of the week. Don't forget new episodes this tuesday and every tuesday all thank you so much for joining me. I'm so grateful for you all listening and giving me your input. Let's stay present. Give ourselves the power and control our minds. You know why. Because i love me do you love you.