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New Myanmar Rakhine violence could escalate rapidly, warns top UN relief official
This is Connor Lennon for UN news. Securing access to thousands of people affected by fighting in. Myanmar's recco. In state is a priority for the United Nations. The organization's top relief official in the country told you a news on Wednesday amid clashes between Eric and army separatists and the Myanmar military, which is sending more troops to the area. Acting resident coordinator and humanitarian coordinator for me on more. Can you ask be told Daniel Johnson that there could be a quite immediate escalation of the situation before calling for all sides to find a peaceful solution to the crisis yet? I think the situation as far as we know it has not broken off two major fighting, but has been more troop buildups as far as we know. And are you clear on how many people have been killed in the violence? Well, so far we are all the George in police officers were killed in the attach on the four police. Also forks tannery and the regret very much this loss of life the experts sympathies condolences to their families. But for what is going to happen? Now, we of course, we have feel to all sides take into consideration to situational the civilian population. To look at our peaceful solution can be can be found. We are worried but for fighting could lead to further suffering of the civilian population. And let's talk about this a billion population than who exactly is suffering and who's has been displaced. Do you talk with many thousands of people who have been affected by this today? It is a very dynamic situation. We had a rough estimate of four thousand five hundred all over the place so far, but this can change almost short notice. It's people who've been displaced to have been active fighting who can then go back very shortly after or other people who are not able to go, right? So we have this. Estimate. But it changes will be changing all the time. So it's a fluid situation you say, but what kind of access do you have then to those who've been forced to flee this violence in northern and central record state. You have had a problem with humanitarian access in this area for quite a long time since two thousand seventeen the access has not improved. We are worried that if it's new major displacement of new need for major who concern the systems that the excess VR having been fish officiant to deliver the assistance needs for how many people actually do need humanitarian assistance right now from the United Nations on its partners on the ground those who can access the people in need. Well, we have the estimated need people number of people who need humanitarian assistance for our humanitarian times because nineteen is eight hundred thousand across the country, a very large portion of these in NFL. State. These are both people who live in camps in this business. But also people who live outside is basically comes were needle, women's assistance, and that tallies with figures from another UN agency, the World Food Program that provides through to around a million people who've been displaced in on mall, and they are victims of ongoing violence in many parts of the country. So how would you assess the humanitarian situation in Myanmar more, generally? Yes, you mentioned there is a very large number of people in need of humanitarian assistance has continued for some time the conflict in some parts of the country has gone on for seventy years, but the intensity of the conflict has changed. I can fort overtime. Just now that is a ceasefire in place in the north and east of the country. So we're hoping that the situation improved there. But that seems far does nothing clued the kind say, so that's very worried that they would be. New as Galician that would be to new suffering of this evidence position. And how do you assess that threat given the mass exodus of what seven hundred thousand Ryan Muslims to neighboring Bangladesh from August twenty seventeen it was this amounts exodus? So they two thousand seventeen mostly there are we estimate and under six hundred thousand of that's in state both in and outside comes there's also the ethnic kind population on people for other ethnic groups have now constitute of course, the majority of the remaining population in the state. So this the whole population in the area. We've avoided that if I think will escalate this is from all ethnic groups that have been statements from government that they will have a major military operation too. Crush the opposition who made these attacks. Yeah. I've heard that has been the major increase in troop numbers in these areas. And that gives the reason for concern that they could get quite immediate this relational. Yes. And just talking about the government day, you say that the office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs and yourself you've been in contact with the government, which parts of the government the military, the civilian authorities who we are in contact with the local authorities in that kind first and foremost to try to negotiate what kind of access we could get there also on a regular basis in contact with the union government in the in the cups. So and given that of announcement that now going to send more troops and attempts to quote, unquote, crush the separatist violence there. It's not typically reassure again, presumably conditions of elsewhere in on state and not the tool suitable for the return of those refugees, ROY. Refugees who fled to Cox's Bazar Bangladesh. Yes, we believe that the focus should be trying to maintain a peaceful situation and to improve the situation to make conditions such that will count on that requires addressing all human rights concerns on material concerns over the situation of this growing population. So we continue to advocate for this. We continue to advocate for more humanitarian access to those who need it. And the also have a regular cooperation with government to try to do more volatile undeveloped inside. But we feel that there is a lot more that should be done and could be done if you had more access.
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Come the Reverend we Imbaba one of America's great moral leaders. Just ahead of mid-term. Elections tells me that he sends his an awakening in the country a fresh commitment to fighting poverty, bigotry and environmental devastation, plus the end of an era. German Chancellor Angela Merkel is considered the firewall against a rising tide of western nationalism. Why is she stepping away from the fray, then to brilliant artists and activists are released? Menendez talked to the veteran actor a musician, Mandy patinkin. And singer songwriter. Rosanne cash makes beautiful music just for us. Welcome to the program everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in New York. Jesus said how you careful and welcome the stranger the immigrant. The undocumented is how nations will be judged at least. That's what the Reverend William baba tells us as President Trump focuses on his base by demonizing immigrants calling them invaders in his fight for Republican votes on Tuesday. Well, poverty, still plagues this richest of countries with almost a third of all Americans living at best from paycheck to paycheck almost one hundred million Americans, lack adequate health insurance and US incarceration. Rates are the highest in the world. My guest Reverend William baba has been called the Martin Luther King of our times. A Protestant minister from North Carolina. He recently won this years MacArthur genius grant for leading the fight against poverty and four civil rights. You may remember his electrifying speech. Of the twenty sixteen democratic national convention. Win some won't to harden and stop the heart of our democracy. We are being called lack are four mothers and fathers to be the moral defeat. Relate us of our time. We must shock this nation with the power of loan. So these two years later when I spoke here with William baba, I asked him about finding the compassionate side, the moral imperative amidst all the Trump era cute. Reverend baba welcome to the program. Thank you so much Christiane. Listen, I'm fascinated by one of the things you've written recently. I mean, you've named all the challenges that many communities around the states face since President Trump's election. But you said this is actually a moment. And we see the result of activism and pushing back, and you feel that this is an opportunity is that right? I do I think that in some ways with Trump we see kind of reliving of the kind of the Haro nineteen sixty eight when the southern strategy began Kevin Phillips, and Richard Nixon, and they decided that they were going to win election by finding out who aided who who was afraid of who and engaged what they call positive polarization. So Trump really has been been speaking to an audience that's been cultivated for fifty years. But in some sense, what he is actually done is awakened people. In the work that I'm doing we look at systemic racism, particularly his voter suppression. Poverty, systemic poverty. Ecological devastation healthcare, the war Konami and the false narrative of religious nationalism. See you, obviously, you know, from the religious from the faith based community, and I'm really fascinated. You call yourself a theological conservative liberal evangelical businesses. How do you threat? All those needles. How could he be conservative and liberal first of all to be a conservative is to hold onto the essence? Oh, well, the essence of the bible if you cut out all the scriptures in the bible talk about how you should treat the poor and the immigrant the Bob would fall upon. So if you anti the poor in anti immigrants, you're not being conservative. You're not holding onto the essence of in. The constitution is says that we are I to establish Justice and care for the provocative common defense and promote the general welfare. What we need to do is to conserve means to hold onto liberal means to give out businesses means to focus on the bible. And I'm any van Jellicoe means to care I for the poor and the spread those thing this past June. When there was that immense real catastrophe of the so-called zero tolerance policy and children being ripped away from their parents and their lot who are still separated. The attorney general. Used a bible verse to defend that policy. And he said that, you know, God supports the government in separating immigrant parents from their children that was the suggestion from this. I I would say to you, the apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans thirteen to obey the laws of the government because God hose or Dane, the government is purposes, how do you isn't Evangelos because he's an evangelical. Anjelica, but he's not using biblical evangelical terms, he's using a group of even the so-called white evangelical term that really is rooted more in opinions than the scripture Paul challenged the government Jesus challenged the government. He challenged the heritage of his day. Paul was thrown in jail for challenging the government. Paul was thrown in jail for saying there's no Jew or gentile. There's no bond a free, but we're all one for Jeff Sessions to try to use that to justify an unjust policy. It's just like slave masters using scripture to justify slavery or people using script to the trying to justify being anti women is just wrong, and it doesn't line up with Jesus for Christians, evanger, Jesus is Lord. And Jesus said how you care for and welcome the stranger the immigrant undocumented is how nations will be judged. Well, and you can see that the stranger the immigrant is a phone. Focal point of President Trump and the Republicans pre midterm campaign policy. There's a very ugly commercial out right now. I know how you're gonna react to that. But how do you think the country recovers from that? Because it goes all the way back to echoes of the Willie Horton further because because remember this anti immigrant Pete's burns through the American project. We've always struggled in America with what we say on paper. And who we are in reality you go back to the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. And how people who are in pole. This worst seen as bad. It's pushed away. Now. We haven't focused and he's not just saying immigrant. He's saying Mexicans. We have to remember that there were not just children that was snatching the board. They were Brown children. And now with the with the caravan that right? These these these these people many of home are fleeing Honduras, and El Salvador because of our policies policy military policies in those areas deportation parties where we took gangsters outta prisons in LA. Sent them back and they created havoc down there. I'm also more concerned though, about the enablers the silence of the senators the silence of the representatives on his part and the crowd that all come from immigrant. Trump is not an original American main. It's not a it's not a name of netted native deal all immigrants, and now they want to put in place policies that if their own great-grandmothers, we're trying to get into country. They wouldn't be allowed today. You're looking at Georgia and other such places where that huge acusations and there'd been reports of tens of thousands. If not more than a million people struck from the roles and pretty much all from your community, right African American community, but also poor people. Also, you know, like women one of the most underreported stories, and I think this is where we've missed it in this country at formed from a deep perspective is since two thousand and ten twenty six states have engaged in massive voter suppression. That represents over fifty. Eighty four percent African American voters. But if you look at those states, you're talking about fifty two senators the moat that majority of the house of representatives. So what do you think the fightback should be in a place like Georgia and elsewhere extremists will call themselves Republicans? No, they can't rent if everybody votes, we have less voting rights today in America. Then we have August. Sixth nineteen sixty-five with the voting, right? Haven't been good. So there's several things you need to first of all we need to vote massively in this election. I mean, just massively and take it personal that people would try to undermine the press the right to vote which was one through the blood of the models third that we have to win the new congress comes in. We have to restore the Voting Rights Act. But we gotta go further automatic registration at eighteen we need to have that election day as a holiday early voting and same day, registration in more states than just North Carolina and others, it should be across the country. What happens when opponents of? The kind of things you're saying say hold on a second Reverend you meant to be a man of God is spiritual. Man. What are you doing talking about forensic politics? Like you're doing right now. My my Lord talked about politics, his first sermon Jesus, I almost got him lynched actually in Luke chapter four in the midst of Caesar and narcissism and hatred, and and a society that was that was stratified poor and wealthy Jesus. I term was I have come to preach. Good news to the poor. And in Greek the word port. There is Potomac owes. It means those who've been made poor by economic exploitation systems. He then went on to say, the brokenhearted the blind prisoner and all of those who've been made to feel unacceptable. So you cannot declare the gospel of Jesus cries, you cannot preach the prophets of the Old Testament and not be engaged in the social reason. However, you don't do it from a positive perspective. I'm not democrat Republican independent will raising the moral critique of this nation. So tell me tell me about poverty, I think there's a figure that somewhere around one hundred and forty million Americans live either. The asthma below the poverty line in my right? We have a study done by PS two for policy. Studies. Call the souls of poor for auditing America, fifty years after the original poor people's campaign was basically assassinated here the numbers a hundred forty million poor people and low wealth people in this country. Seventy three percent of them are women and children. The most are white women children. And this Abe. See nobody really knows that they think the most maybe let already. And they are right in terms of the percentage in terms of the numbers within the race. But in actual number wrong numbers. They're more poor white and most of them are white women and children thirty seven million people without healthcare, even with McCarrick four million families that get up every morning combat under the gas can't buy unleaded water. That's these are number and the sad thing about it is right now even in this election. What are we talking about a caravan is not going to get here? Tweets racism is all distraction, and we're not talking about the real issues, but it's not just Trump. Now, I will say this on your show because in the presidential debates in two thousand sixteen we had twenty six in the primary and the general election, not one hour was spent on voting rights, not one hour debate. In a terrible. We have massive voter suppression that we haven't seen since Jim crow. Not one hour was spent talking about those hundred and forty million people that are poor and the sixty two million people who work every day without a living wage, and the fact that there's not one county in this country where you can make minimum wage and basically afford a model modest two bedroom apartment think about that. So let me ask you about those people in middle America. Let's say who instrument. Title inputting, President Trump in the Oval Office. There are many who believe that his economic policies are helping them that they see the Trump windfall. So to speak. What do you say to that? Well, the southern strategy is has been powerful. I mean, the the light of people so one of the things we're going in there to pull off the line the pull off to do stores and show people to actual number. And we're finding success with the movement when that is happening second people are starting to see now that while you may have Wall Street going up wages are going down people voted and that is in. I know about the ACA some people thought that bomb akin as the with two different things because of the way it was talked about it. Well, one of these shows you'd been saying is healthcare the Affordable Care Act ACA. And I just want to put it to you the obviously for you. It's very personal. I mean, I haven't said it yet. But you sitting there somewhat lopsided. You you suffer from a really severe arthritic condition, and this is personal to you Ben personal but even deeper than that patched. Does a study from Harvard says thousands of people die for everyone media people that do not have healthcare. So thirty seven million people do not have kids say three to five thousand people died. So the lives of people who died not because God called him home with this time, but because of government policies, we're the only country twenty-five wealthiest countries that does not offer some form of universal health care that is sinful that is a violation of fundamental human rights that is not as establishment of Justice and the number of children, and my daughter was born with hydrocephalus she lives that I prayed at one time that I would live long enough to see her able to get coverage with her pre existing condition and win the Affordable Care we cried. Because before then my daughter could not be covered. And there are thousands of people like that. I could tell you about Kelly in Alabama whose daughter died because she had a terminal ca I cancer it could have been treated, but Alabama refuse. Used to accept Medicaid expansion. And again, the the strangeness of it is most of the people in Alabama that would have benefited away. But as a pastor I have to bear people. I have to stand over their caskets. And there's a group of us. That's have said that anybody dot com Gatien's die because of ACA health care. We're gonna call the media, and we'll ask the families. And all right and say, look, this is what happened. When politicians is is said make unjust laws. And how is it? This is the thing that Dietmar question because I think the question for us now is not what a democrat products of our reporting. But will America's of that almost all of these politician when they wanted to offer the first thing they wanna do is put their hand on the bible, and swear of hold the constitution many of them once they do that. They don't they've act like they don't know what's in but constitutional or in the bible. How is it that you come to congress as a Senator represent and you get free healthcare? Free of get from two people pay for about a people the best half kit only because you got elected, but then every morning you elect to get up and try to vote to repeal a program to give some Americans have kid. How can you how do you do that Marley? That is the question what is going on in your mind that you would not want your constituents to have the very thing. You have only because your constituencies voted to send you to Washington DC or to send you to the state house on the make you governor. That's what I mean by some of these issues are not about an efforts is right and democrat brushwood Republican but about right versus wrong, and we will see the results. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Right versus wrong now on the world stage. It seemed that ever since the turn of the century. Literally, one lead above all one woman stood as the protector of the liberal democratic world order that emerged from the ashes of World War Two. It has kept the peace in Europe ever since as well as economic prosperity and order that defendant is the German Chancellor Angela Merkel A proud moderate a centrist in this era of extremes. Once she seemed almost invincible now, she's on her way out saying that she will not run for reelection in twenty twenty one. So how will her departure change, Germany Europe, and perhaps even the world journalist? Stephan Cornelius has been covering Angela Merkel since the late nineteen eighty s he's written her authorized biography. Angela Merkel the chancellor and her world and he joins me now. Stephan Cornelius, welcome to our program. All we putting too. Much on Angela Merkel's shoulders. I'll we correct in thinking that for all these years. She has held the line held the center in a world that is shifting so sort of precipitously. Well, the further you get away from Germany, the more you put it in her shoulders, and you the more you limit of European shown politics on that simple. Single woman on the other side. Yes, you are more than right? She's an extraordinary person. And she's so outstandingly different now in a time where nationalism and different leader types are all Vokes. So basically, yes, this woman is holding a lot of things together. And since she announced that she would withdraw even though it was only in three years time probably earlier, but we have to Hume that she could probably finish her term since she did that. Yes, you really can feel how that power flows away from her house. She how these on liberal forces are. Most tube relating and basically got rid of getting rid of her. So twenty twenty one would be a next election. Now, she's done for and she's been elected. So it's very unlikely that she would have ever run again anyway. But the next meaningful one is in December when she is also going to step down as chairman of hypocrisy, the CD you so you've sort of implied that the power is kind of leaking away from her will she be a lame. Duck chancellor, even if she does continue to the end of her term. Well, yes, and no, the chairman partisan that show political system provides the party leader with fly some powers and having both party leadership and the ship means argument power and giving away both voluntarily and stepping away from the party leadership that early will definitely weaken. Herb on the other side. You cannot get rid of a chance or basically by writing him off for her off. She is voted in her office. It is pretty difficult to get her out of office. The chairman constitution provides a lot of safeties for a stable government. We know from our historical experience that we shouldn't really push aside governments or like other countries too. I mean, other like Italy Italy has a huge number of governments changing over over time. So this gives her some stability, and we probably will look at this news now in two three months in a bit different from a different angle and see that she's even more liberated and that she could spend the accumulated capital political capital. She amassed over the postures more freely over the past year or probably months. She will remain in office. Lame duck to some extent, but the German chancer is. And I don't mean to interrupt you. But that is a really intriguing concept that she might be liberated to pursue even more of her policies. So what might they be? Because clearly you remember way back in two thousand you quoted it she quoted she talked about her vision as being the market plus humanity. So she's obviously a conservative economist if I could put that way, but she is tried to have a compassionate, Christian humane, government and policy. And of course, we saw that when she allowed these immigrants fleeing war and devastation in their own country in two thousand fifteen to come in that seems to have backfired on her. How does she go forward with that very issue now well on immigration issue? You're right. It totally backfired and she not only Vaso liberal or welcoming to those microns because she was liberal. Mind or had an open heart. But because she's a very pragmatic and clear thinking woman, not the chairman has from the Singapore petition in Europe would have been able to stop fifty thousand migrants at day crossing the chairman border. So I guess she didn't close the border. So it didn't send them back for several reasons. She would have destabilized vast parts of eastern, south eastern Europe. She would've sent a extremely devastating message about Germany's. Culture to the outside world, and she couldn't have lift up to her promises in the end anyway because those people would have turned around and come back through the back door. You cannot seal of Germany, this is not possible. So what she did is she put in policies in place with Turkey with other neighboring countries across the Mediterranean and northern Africa to basically a channel this flow of microns and actually triggered it down. It's definitely is too. Many people coming to Europe now that took time, and that was basic mistake, she communicated badly, and she now pays a huge price. He lost power for that. In germany. This is the single issue which is turned against her. And it will be the issue which he will be compelled to deal with for the remaining time in your office. But things have could do are have to do with European unity with the rise of population in Europe. Well, that's the next question. You know, you had written another's that Europe must be shivering right now thinking that she is about. To step off ho ho world platform, and you talk about populism even in your own country. Did remarkable rise of the very extreme right AFDC? Now, the third biggest party who could have thought that. And Merkel's party losing quite dramatically in the last two rounds of local elections. A where do you see the political power center moving in Germany post Markle fascinating question is the key question. I mean, Merckel moved the political landscape far to the left is her CD you conservative parties. Now, basically these centrist party in Germany, almost eliminating the social Democrats. This is the new party pattern, and we do see the rise of populist, nationalist parties, not only in Germany, but all over Europe. Honestly, chairman he was the last country which was infected by this kind of populism nationalism. So we do see now a new party pattern and those successors who are now in our in line to follow her are half the. Chances to succeed. Her will push the party back again to the right a little bit and therefore make it probably harder for the populist nationalist parties are to the party the AFDC to succeed. Nevertheless, it's a battle you battle, and it's not a German badly to European one watch to European elections next spring, and you might see that populous party in the some will will be in the majority in the European parliament. So now, let's take you to the world stage. Of course, we have this phenomenal picture that was snapped in a moment. It probably wasn't what we think it is. But it is this picture of Angela Merkel leaning into a seated arms crossed very defensive looking Donald Trump. And of course, she when he first came in. She congratulated him, but said that relations depend on commitment to mutual of values and institutions, and you've seen the fraying of those mutual values of an institution's she's upset about pulling out of the climate treaty. She's upset about the US pulling. Out of the Iran nuclear deal, and etc. Etc. How how does this? How does Europe continue to have a sovereign standoff with President Trump if you like, well, it's a it's a tectonic change for Europe Trump's behavior. The new American policy is much more challenging to Europe as one would. As one would think from let's say looking from the American heartland, it has a much bigger effect on Europe and on chairman e-, then so many other things trait will now usually debate it well knuckling knocking was the first one who conditional lies relations with Donald Trump. She as you said stood up to him at the very first moment of his presidency. The morning after he was elected said, I'm willing to to to work with you. But there are some crown rules. We have to follow. Now. Definitely Donald Trump hasn't followed those ground rules and uncle Michael came back from the first cheese, seven summited, Italy and said we'll have to find a way where we can sort of find around thing here in Europe, we have to rely on ourselves a little bit more. And this is what you're is trying to do now. But it's a tough thing right now Europe isn't split over the American policies. It could very well be if Donald Trump choose to enhance more histories ties to populist movements. And of course, we will see how that. Goes off to the midterms. Stephan Cornelius, thank you so much for joining us. Support for NPR comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. 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And of course, you can always listen subscribe on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts. We'll wherever you. Listen to podcasts. So now, we turn and kickoff a story second half of our show, and I'll speak to the amazing Rosanne cash just out with a new critically acclaimed album. She gives us an intimate before months along with some intimate stories of her life. But first we turn to a man who's being the toast of Broadway as well as the big and the small screens the singer, and the actor Mandy patinkin has played many roles from Che Guevara in vita to a CI operative in homeland, but for him his latest role is his most important being a real life advocate for refugees working with the International Rescue Committee. Patinkin has crisscrossed the globe meeting some of the world's most vulnerable people, and it's had a profound impact upon him and his work as he is told Menendez, so think most people know your work on stage and on screen, but the work I get the sense you most proud of is your work raising awareness about the state of rough. Jeez. Across the world through the I R C. I wonder how did you get started with that work? Well, it was a gift to this point of my life that I wasn't expecting to receive. I was in Berlin shooting the fifth season of homeland the first episode of that season to place in a Syrian refugee camp at the exact same time that one hundred and twenty five thousand refugees would trying to get across the Balkan Rupe to sanctuary and at that moment when I saw those photos, and those people I saw my own ancestors. My grandpa max, grandma, Sealion, my wife, scramble Masha. And and I felt they were my family. They were little boys and families just like my two sons that are no longer a little boys. And I wanted to be with them. And I wanted to hold their hand and give them water and give them comfort and let them know people cared. I go every year after I finish shooting something and a hot spot somewhere in the world where there's a crisis refugee crisis on occasion. I bring members of my family, and we meet people and we record. Their stories and take photos because of the Instagram world. And right and spend great deal of time describing where we were. And what we saw that knees who has experience CDI's if we discount it's clumsily in March of two thousand sixteen the wall shutdown and European Union stopped accepting people so everything went into limbo in terms of a temporary crisis. Whether we're moving five eight thousand people, you know, at a time across less votes, it's lack and what became a temporary situation, permanent situation with healthcare education and everything. And now you have on Lesbos you have the Moro settlement camp, which is just overflowing. I think there's twenty thousand people on the Greek islands, and they have capacity for seven thousand so people who are trying to commit suicide, and it sounds like numbers until you see it. Yes. And it isn't numbers when you see it. It's people's lives. Beautiful people when we when I. I went I met the elastic family. They were the only one left to end the current pay in Lesbos everyone else had moved out the IRC had built a city literally with gender-based violence tense. You know to take care of women who've experienced gender-based violence of women's issues of children's family tends to showers and medical tents at cetera to move five eight thousand people a day that we're coming across in these diggings that had room for twenty four and sixty people wearing them at one point. I got my wish and a dinghy came up to the island and somebody handed me a little girl in a pink jacket. And and that's all I wanted was to help a child, and then I looked at her. And I thought she had died. She wasn't breathing. I later found out that she had had an attack in the boat squeezing my finger. We got her with the IRS seat them to get medical attention and reunited with her family. And and all is well for that family, but another family I met they were left with their two boys. The elastic. In a in a tenth all alone. And I was fortunate enough. I was able to get into the means to get the ferry to get to and to get to Germany on the second year. I took my wife to Germany to reunite us all with that family, which was unbelievably moving when you when you hear about refugees in the stories, we tell about refugees, it's very authoring. And when you actually are with refugees in that moment, you realize oh, wow. This could be me. This could be anybody. Absolutely one day. My grandfather used to say in Yiddish of adult said headlock, which means the wheel is always turning. If you're on top, you better be nice because one day that will will turn and you'll be at the bottom. And if you don't open that door and be a welcoming human being to your fellow human being don't expect someone to welcome. You. We've become a nation of walls. Not welcome. And it's. It's it's a humanitarian crisis. It's a crime against humanity. I wanted to ask you about that. Because I think very often we talk about the refugee crisis. We talk about it as something that is happening overseas and abroad when it is happening at our southern border. How does that comport with the work? You do with IRC. Well, they are there and they are working. It's a crisis of monumental concern. Some of these families, we'll never be reunited, we've lost them. The there's some that are already lost just like the thousands that have been lost in the gene see, you know, we've lost that then, but we haven't lost today and tomorrow, whereas our moral ethical nature our humanity. It was one of the defining factors of this country of why we're here our country used to take in a proximity ninety thousand refugees a year the previous administration had a cap at when they left at one hundred and ten thousand the new administration came in draft at the forty five thousand congress voting. To create a new cap of only thirty thousand refugees to the United States of America less than one percent of the world. Community's welcoming of these people we are less than one percent. The most powerful country in the world and third world countries are taking the brunt of this whole thing. Economically humanitarian, crisis wise, and and that's not proper, and it's not who we are. Who are you morally unethically, take a walk? Be quiet. Be by yourself. Don't listen to television, newscasts and podcasts. And just ask yourself in private what is my moral, ethical nature, and our my representatives, Mirroring, my moral, ethical nature. And if they're not fine representatives who are going into the political field that do represent that. And if you don't know them find people who do, and I tell people I'd much rather you not listen to my music. Nick, you not go to my concerts. You not watch my television shows or films just vote. That's all I ask is that we vote in this free democracy vote vote. Not for yourself vote for those who don't have a vote those who don't have a home to belong in. Vote for what you hope never happens to your children and grandchildren. I was brought to mind a quote from David Jones that says it is both a blessing and a curse to feel everything. So very deeply. And so the blessing as a parent, there's the passion blessing. What's the curse the curses? It's good for the work because the work often as heightened I'm an actor. And so it's a heightened condition of the human condition that we display often, even if it's funnier light heart, and it's heightened and it's not great in life to have that heightened condition in life. It's good to breathe to become. It's just it's just the name of the game. Whether you're the greatest artists are politician or writer, scientists or or schoolteacher or garbage man, you know, you have two sides if your selves other cultures call it a yin and Yang you don't you need them. Both you need all of the intensity around your work with refugees, and the intensity that you have to bring to that portrayal of saw on homeland your music, you have this recording out, and you're going to be doing live performances listening to that music. I was like this is an incredible counterweight to olive this intensity. It is delicate, and I wonder sitting here with you. If you almost need that I have to have it. It's it's broccoli it's oxygen. I had walked away from it for a few years while I was shooting homeland not because the schedule because I did it while it was shooting homeland before I did concerts, but. My panel player retired. I've been with him thirty years and he wanted to move on. So it was like, Fred and ginger, you know, I thought I've lost my dance partner. And I didn't know if I could go on and then finally Bob her which is president on such records hooked me up with an extraordinary young musician named Thomas Bartlett, and he sent me on Christmas Eve when I was supposed to go do work with the in Bangladesh with Ringa Cox's Bazar. But I wasn't there yet. And we couldn't go for political reasons at that time. So I had two weeks in the middle of homeland to stay home, and I called Thomas Bartlett up. I said I got two weeks. You got any time. He said, yeah. I said I just don't want to do anything that was anything like I did for the past thirty years. I had learners block for a few years. He said nowhere. I'll send you something. He sends me three hundred fifty songs. So I chose twenty eight of them. I then went into the studio on the twenty six December of seventeen and we started recording. We hit the record button on everything. And then Thomasson I finished I had to go back to homeland. And and he sent me like, you know. Ten or twelve of these songs, and he said, I think you should listen to we got some. Sings long. And things. Hey. So I worked with Thomas, and and he gave me a new life. It's you know, it's how I survive. Let's talk about homeland. I am a dedicated you're, but for those who don't know how would you describe the show? Well, it's become different things in different seasons. It began as a fictional wonder that took a marine and flipped our heads around. And and made him an enemy, and we didn't understand that. And it also made the enemy a human being. And that was a wonderful thing to see and we couldn't tell what was going on. It was supposed to only last one season that storyline, but the chemistry between Damian. And Claire was so great that they kept it going. And so finally, it came to an end, and then I writer would reinvent and then it became at morphed into what I would often refer to as kind of a. A polaroid of our time, and that frustrated me because I didn't feel we were a reality show or a new show. I feel that we're an art form where we need to have a poetic cancer to the world. We're living in an existing and around us. Just don't communicate with them under any circumstances. Why the hell not because onto another situation? I don't want you to learning anybody. What situation can say. Russian intelligence operation. Involving measures. Against the president of the United States, the actor who I loved as Saul on homeland was also the actor who I loved as eagle Montoya and Princess bride was also on the soundtrack of Evita that I had grown up listening to most actors do not get that opportunity. And I wondered at the time when you took those roles did, you know, how big they were going to be the impact that they were going to have on culture. Never. I just went to work. And I did what my teacher Gerald Freedman taught me to do was he taught me how to define an action. My action right now is to listen to you, the here you see that we have been talking lot. But when you ask me when I'm with you. And I understand that people out. There are listening and my action to them is to try to connect. That's my favorite word James James will pine repeated in Sunday in the park with George over and over and over again, connect, George connect. If there are any. Words I want on my tombstone. It's he tried to connect. And what I want all of us to do globally is try to connect if we fail get up again. And if you go to the grave trying to connect your children, we'll continue it for you. But don't give up and then when something becomes successful. It's just. You don't need to understand it. You don't need to analyze it. If somebody could analyze it and put it through some algorithm, then everybody would have everything they ever did be successful in a big hit. Not how works it's taking chances. And if you're not gonna get up in the morning and take a chance and risk something about your comfort zone. Don't get stay in bed. And do you think you so much? Such a passionate Mandy patinkin probably because one of the untold stories is the unfair fide. But it never gets told that the refugees actually don't destabilize the countries they come to they are integrated, especially in Germany. They don't bring more crime. Even though they're demonized as doing so it really is a moment where we have to put the facts out. Now, just as Mandy patinkin feels that drive to connect. He just said so too does my next guest singer songwriter. Rosanne cash cash is a smart insightful. And always original creative artists who produce some fifteen albums and multiple bestselling books. Earning her shelf full of awards and accolades in the process cash the door of the musical legend Johnny cash, and she has a new album out. It is cold. She remembers everything, and it's sometimes painfully honest expiration of the traumas and the triumphs that brought her to where she is today when I spoke. With Rosanne cash at the Feinstein's fifty four below right here in New York. She was accompanied by her husband and musical collaborator of the past twenty five years. John leventhal. She began our conversation by playing the title song of her new album. Cheers. You. The. Gee. Rosanne cash. Welcome to the program. So we've just heard you and your husband plays. She remembers everything it's got a great right up your new album. What do you remember do you? Remember everything? Probably I mean, that's I was thinking about that. When I was writing the lyrics that a woman's memory is, trustworthy, and that it could be like a library where you could pull things out. I think it would be a burden to consciously. Remember, everything every person you met what you were doing on your twelfth birthday, you know? But it's comforting to me to think that it somewhere you said collaborating with your husband is, you know, the very best of romance. How so. Because being creative together is very romantic capital are and that doesn't mean it's not without its challenges, and we certainly get into each other's business. Sometimes too much and take things personally know, what you mean, you don't like that note, I saying, but to create something together that to me that's the ultimate romance. Take me back to your childhood. No, you don't you? Don't wanna go that bad. You want to go back to your child? Being the daughter of Johnny cash is that a burden or is it a privilege is it a pain in the neck to be constantly ASTA about it? You know, you had the experience of your own parents marriage falling apart. Yeah. Well, and I'm certainly not the only child whose child of divorce. I mean, it was complicated. Because my dad was a drug addict. And he was on the road a lot. And my mother was you know, out of her mind with fear, and rage, and it was complicated. But. Fast forward. I I'm literally the only middle aged woman. I know who still gets constantly asked about her parents. What would your parents think? What was your dad thinks? Like, wow does. It's I get it because he such a huge figure, and he casts a long shadow, but sometimes it is a burden. So how do you deal with him to be quiet and active compassion? I I remember I try to remind myself that when people just want to look through me to see him that they are looking for something something validate them something to to look up to to some kind of light to shine on them. And he represents a lot to a lot of people. I understand it. Sometimes it's too much. So the quote, I could not have written these songs on this new album ten years ago. Not even close time is shorter. And I have. More to say, tell me about what time has done for you. Well, I'm sure you know, as a woman who is carved her place out in the world and in a boys club because I did the same. What time has done for me is relieve me of the need to people, please. And it's also given me more confidence, and I've actually had a reverse experienced to a lot of people. I know in that they have gotten burn out at this point in my life. I feel liberated I feel more excited about this record than I do about my first one, and I did about my first one. And that's an odd thing that I didn't expect out of aging and at this point, I also feel like I don't want to pretend to be younger. I earned it. I'm happy here and every line and every stress and every. Let's you know, his badge of Ana it. Yeah. I mean, I don't love the wrinkles and all of that business. But it is a sign that I've been a couple of places I've been around the block of few times. I guess I say that because in New York you look around and everybody of nation looks like they'd been through wind tunnel. Unrecognizable shocking. Shocking. I don't know why brought it up, and it's obsesses me. You know, I have four daughters, and I think who will who will model to them how to age gracefully. If not me in if I'm panicked about it or resisted or don't want it. Then how are they going to know how to do it? So which obviously brings me to the point that you sort of touched upon how hard was it. How difficult was it for you as a woman in this business? Well, it is a boys club. And you know, I have plenty of my own metoo stories, and you know, -rageous them. I don't think this Pacific are important, but just fill in the blanks of radio promoter promoters, record guys. And you know, being in a business that was virtually all men at that point. And when I started out, and they would try to take advantage of that. And how did you deal with it? I kept my head down, and I showed up for work, and I developed a thick skin. But an open heart I develop a thick skin. But I was aware that I had to keep my open heart. If I wanted to work the way, I work and do what I do, you know, songwriter, you gotta Plum some depths to do that. But I also never I just assumed that. I could play on a level playing field that I was as good or I was going to be as good with hard work anyway. And that I didn't have to defer, and I hated that thing of women songwriters women musicians. Like, we were the B team or something. I just I don't like that. And that you don't either I hate it. I mean, I think about how I dealt with it as well. And and you know, the the trick is as you say put your head down keep working, but you have to be careful not to become too tongue rigid and Chan rigid into invulnerable wonder, whether you're aware of some of the backlash within the female circle. Sure to me too. And what you make about that. I mean, I'm almost hearing women band together with certain men saying, oh, we shouldn't be characterized as snowflakes, and they feel that somehow women who standing up for themselves taking on the mantle of victim. Do you know what my middle daughter? Chelsea calls that. Patriarchal Stockholm syndrome. Yeah. Isn't that good? She can mock it that one. T shirt tach. I mean, I have to agree. I think that's case. I mean, the patriarchy is not just it's not just men. You quite political in terms of issues that you choose the whole sort of gun violence issue came right to the heart of your industry at Las Vegas last year. When a crazy guy just mowed down people that festival in Las Vegas and off towards you wrote. Country musician stand up to the NRA the stakes too high to not disavow collusion with the NRA. Explain that. It's it's quite pointed. I mean collusion with the NRA what sort of response did you get and why did you why did you put it that way? Well, I have been an advocate for gun control and against gun violence for twenty years. I've served on boards. I've done galas. I've done op-eds that one was in the New York Times. I mean, so this is not a new thing for me. And I saw this kind of malicious interweaving of the NRA with concert promotion and tell me how because I'm well country artists. Some of them would sign deals with the NRA. You know, I guess lucrative sponsorship deals or something. And it seems still. Wrong to me that there was people were conflicting the NRA with patriotism. It's just wrong. I'm a patriot. And I think the second amendment is so abused and overused and is right for revision in can be revised. And so I said that, you know, country musicians don't conflict that don't complete patriotism with guns and said there were very few people who actually spoke up an agreed. It was shocking to me with was that the opposite. I mean, did you get sort of in? Today's jogging shirt rolled sure, of course. Yeah. A lot of blowback even within your industry yet. No, no, not within my industry, pop and rock artists. You know, they were like right on. I'm so glad you said that the country artists not so much maybe a couple. But yeah, the trolling was intense. And you know, it comes and goes, but like I said I have lost. They need to people fleas. I'm really too old to care about the insults. You know, we all try to figure out how to place this moment in history. I guess the closest thing that we come to is nine hundred sixty eight I mean, we're all young in nineteen sixty eight. However, it was very very divisive polarize and tragic time with the assassinations of two great need is here. Dr king RFK, huge demonstrations against the war political protests here. Kids getting killed on college campuses. I mean, it was intense. I remind myself of that often like that was an intense time, and we got through it. And that was obviously when you'll father was coming up in his music was the sort of I guess the bomb or the Anthony. Protest songs and his music is well, you know, he was able to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time to oppose the Vietnam war and to go play for the troops. You know? So that was a great model for me. So how do you see your music, especially this new album being relevant and useful for our time. Well, I think a woman of my age assuming her on validity and telling her own truth has power just didn't self. This is a mature life lived and not without its serious bumps in the road and regrets, and you know, taking stock of myself and. Madness and loss and love and mortality and realizing that in a long term relationship. It's inevitable that one of you is going to leave the other. I you know, I felt I had to write about that as well and about trauma and early trauma. How? Hopefully, you don't live with at the rest of your life. But in some way, you do try to get away from it heal it close it down. And I was thinking in writing she remembers everything what were you like before the trauma? What would you have been and how close to that? Can you get tested Rosanne cash? Thank you very much so much with such an honor to be here with your cute. Likewise. Voice so powerful. And that is it for us from now next week. Join us for comprehensive coverage of the crucial midterm elections. And until then thanks for watching him. We're leaving you now with one more performance from Roseanne and her husband, John Leventhal, everyone, but me from the new album, she remembers everything. Thai. Fun. It's non nearly long. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility? Then download the of search podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here. Search metrics Inc. 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