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CNN10 - 1/14/20

CNN 10 (video)

10:00 min | 1 year ago

CNN10 - 1/14/20

"In this is CNN. Tenure objective explanation of World News in ten minutes. And I'm Carlos welcoming our viewers from around the world our first subject. This January fourteenth is flu season. The United States is in it right. Now it's typically at its worst between December and February but this one started early health officials say it began in late September and that it's been a bad season already the centers for Disease Control a government health agency estimated. There had been at least nine point seven million cases of flu in America by early January that eighty seven thousand people had been hospitalized because of it and that forty eight hundred people had died from the flu or the complications it can cause the particular strains of the virus that are spreading this year are more likely to hit. Children and young adults bolt and this year's vaccine is not an exact match according to a recent report meaning it may not be as effective as flu vaccines and other years. The says overall the vaccine's about forty to sixty percent of effective at preventing the flu but it also says it's the best way to protect yourself from the virus. There are some silver linings to this flu season. Even though flu activity was considered high in thirty three states at the beginning of the year it had dropped a bit. Doctors don't know yet. What if that means the worst of the flu is behind us? It could still go up again. But they're watching closely to see if it tapers off. Another hopeful sign is that across all age-groups the number of deaths and hospitalizations from the flu is relatively low this time around that maybe because most of those who die from the flu are elderly really and this year strains are affecting younger people more than them. It's always scary when you hear of someone dying from something as common is the flu. There are four main ways the flu can turn deadly. The first and most common causes pneumonia. Influenza virus can directly cause viral pneumonia once. Someone has the flu. It can weaken their immune system so much that another virus or bacteria can enter the lungs infected lungs fill with fluid making it difficult to breathe so oxygen can't can't get to the rest of the body which can lead to death. SEPSIS is the second way the flu can become lethal especially in healthy younger adults and children substance occurs. When in a person's immune system goes into overdrive trying to fight the flu this causes inflammation which can lead to a cascade of symptoms that ultimately ends an organ failure a third way the flu can kill is by increasing your risk of heart attack experts say in adults risk of heart attack increases sixfold in the seven days following a flu diagnosis? The the fourth way the flu can kill is by dehydration particularly among infants and young children. The flu often causes vomiting diarrhea which can quickly become life threatening if fluids. It's Aren't replaced in the body. So if you get the flu when should you be worried. Some people have a higher risk for serious complications from the flu including the elderly children children under the age of five pregnant women and those with chronic health problems. If this is you make sure you see a doctor if you're healthy. Older child or adult watch out for sudden sudden dizziness severe persistent vomiting difficulty breathing pain or pressure in the chester abdomen and flu. Like symptoms that improve them return with a fever or worse this cough second Trivia nations located on the eastern side of the South China. Let's see Vietnam Indonesia Philippines Malaysia a tough question. But it's the Philippines beans who's capitalist Manila. That's located east of the South China Sea. A state of emergency has been declared near that capital because of a recent corruption at the tall volcano. It's not the most active one in the Philippines but vulcanologists say tall is very dangerous. Because it's erupted in the past and because it's located near populated areas the United Nations estimates that more than four hundred and fifty thousand people live in the volcanoes danger zone the state of emergency naming schools are closed. So they along with local convents can be used as shelters government offices are also closed and flights have been canceled because volcanic ash. Josh can melt inside jet engines and badly damaged them after more than forty years of relative peace and Quiet Taal Volcano. One of the smallest in the world started making a whole lot of noise as we were afraid and in a panic. We're thinking of how we can save our lives it. It all started Sunday afternoon about sixty kilometers south of the Philippine capital of Manila. A violent eruption sending steam ash in rock roughly fifteen kilometers into the sky. Raining down on the roughly twenty five million people like Noel Suarez. Living Below Shimpei guy and it's difficult to get food because it's difficult go to move. We cannot use the vehicle since its money and we can't even clean it since there's no water. Almost everything is a problem now. And then you have the volcano spewing appearing again and after nearly one hundred fifty small earthquakes Philippine officials believe. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Nearly half a million residents have been ordered to evacuate immediately believing another much larger eruption and possible. Sue NAMI could be imminent real hazard as it has the potential for explosions. That's vulcanologist Eric Committee. He says that despite tells small stature. It's one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world of Okina with deadly past claiming more than thirteen eighteen hundred lives in one thousand nine eleven in another one hundred ninety thousand nine hundred sixty five people living nearby the combination of explosions and a large population and can really are the things that vulcanologist really hope don't get combined a combination that could be fatal and his already proven to be destructive. Well that region probably is the best vacation destination at least until the volcano calms down. This time of year when folks make plans to travel aval for spring break summer break spring wedding summer wedding ski Vacations Beach Vacations or just to get away. CNN recently sat down with travel. Experts Samantha Brown Brown. WHO's been talking travel on TV for twenty years? I have been traveling as career now for twenty years. Being stressed about time is the worst thing you can do. And the way to take away. Ninety percent of your stress is to get there in time and by that I mean I always base my arrived to the airport on the boarding time of my flight. Not The departure time just this year alone. I have been on forty five flights through eighty eight. Airports checked out of thirty two hotels to see you. Oh Gosh I want everything the best thing you can do to connect with locals is smart and safe and if you're in another country the most important words to know so in that language are hello please and thank you that is it. I always try to know how to say. May I please have because I feel like as travelers were consumers. We're always asking asking for things. We always need something whether it's a bathroom more like a really good flaky croissant. And so if I know how to say that in the most polite form that makes the connection right there I think I'm GonNa have You know I wanted to try your tuna melt on the park slope sour dough please. I think one piece of advice that I could give everyone when vacations nations turn back or when you live somewhere in. It wasn't your expectation is that you need to take a moment and adapt travels travels purpose is never to be perfect. We are creatures of habit. Fear now out of our out of daily rituals let that sink kid. Don't judge a situation immediately but you should never ever cancel your vacation to go. You have to stick with absolutely did just canceling is the worst thing you can do. Oh thank you so much so I love places like this just these small local cafes. I come here probably every other day when when I'm home and it's actually one of my biggest travel tips that I give people if you weren't a place for more than two three four days creator ritual go to the same cafe every single day and then if I have any sort of Courage I can just turn to someone and say hey. We're should have dinner right. What what should I do next so it was just kind of starting a conversation being a local place and then relying on locals to take you to the next step? You sticking with our travel theme if you've ever been on a ship or ferry in the open see. You might have spotted dolphins swimming alongside so did some firefighters from the Naples Florida. Fire Rescue Department last week. They posted this video uh-huh and their facebook page and called it. Dalton's came to play one. Firemen described the scene as a perk of having the best job in the world and the beautiful city of Naples Calls Hashtag blessed. It's no fish story and it's no tall tale. Thanks their new found fame. The dolphins got the very ill fin club. And it's no fluke. It's opened so many door sales. And if they use their melons you expect them to be beat to flex their pectoral flippers once more of us and that is CNN ten. The students of Ro Dolo Middle All school knew all about it and it's great to see you guys in Batavia Illinois and thanks for subscribing and commenting on yesterday's show at YouTube dot com slash C._N._N..

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LNE.news - BoxerBlu & Bram - S1E10 - Beeple Sells an NFT for $69 million, Cloud Seeding, Muons

Little News Ears

12:42 min | 4 months ago

LNE.news - BoxerBlu & Bram - S1E10 - Beeple Sells an NFT for $69 million, Cloud Seeding, Muons

"Are you five. And i'm jake branstad but some people call me bucks brew and here's the news to everybody. Amazing we went on his great great drip pau. We went to goodwill yes brand. We went to goodwill. But i want to tell everybody. What got yes okay. We went to goodwill. But i wanna talk about grounds for sculpture in new jersey. The goal is plays. You know what i'm saying. Yeah well think everybody. At is april twentieth. Chinese-language day. yes if you don't know about a billion people speak chinese. Mandarin speak speak cantonese different languages. Yes so it's a good idea to learn how to speak mandarin the jazz. Why not yes. He didn't know. I'm coming up just in two days. It's quinn's kith lines it's our. It's our new. Lgbtq show for kids well. It's news for kids that you know basically about lgbtq community yes that they. We know what that word means. Ulama that on thursday. Oh okay so the first thing we'll tell you about. Uh uh very very interesting. In scientific american all about cloud seeding yes cloud seeding. That's sounds really weird. Yes but it's actually. It's a real thing. There are about eight states that put this chemical up in the air to try to make snow. Why do they do that. Well These states are not getting enough water. Basically right yes and so. What are the these kids. Well article Mentioned colorado and utah wyoming nevada california new mexico and. Yeah zona. Ooh can you explain what happens is basically a what what scientists do is. They put something up into the air right. It's crystal lake substance that they used in food in photographs. Along time ago yes silver iodide. Right yes so. Basically these crystals go up in the air and water molecules kind of attracted them and then it starts certainly snowing. Oh working that's the thing bram. It's not working so well. In fact they've done this for a long time back in one thousand nine hundred forty seven for example. The weird experiment. I think it's pretty cool. Project cirrus was part of ge and a us. military collaboration. Collaboration people are working together. They do this thing where they dumped about two hundred pounds of dry ice into a cyclone. What yes yes roaches. They dumped all of this dry ice which is basically carbon dioxide into a cyclone in florida. Something happened wow that's crazy. Yes and it all goes back to vincent shapers experimental long long time ago in the nineteen forties are basically noticed that dry ice when he put it in his freezer. It made it made things fall. Oh swayed intimate question please. doesn't work. Well that's the point. There's not really evidence that this is making snow. people think. Oh why are we doing climate change and really want to try this new pasta all ward. You mean casca tally. The world's newest pasta shape. Yes so if you haven't heard this guy's name is dan passion and hope. I'm pronouncing that correctly. I don't know if i am. I may not be by the way but basically he developed pasta with swore glean over three years. They developed this special pasta. It's gonna cuss kotelly. Inspired by by the name for waterfall in italian. Yes i believe that word is scotto. Yes and so you know for three years on his podcast cod mission impassable. They tried to make this special this special type of pasta. Yes i think you mean. The podcast is called the sport for yes. He wanted to make a type of pasta. That can be speared with a fork. It could hold sauce and actually you can bite. Yes so it's pretty cool. Yes spoke leading. The company used this high quality bronze casting to do that. Oh wow douche sh hey bram Do you have a sixty nine million dollars. I don't know maybe well if you don't know sixty nine million dollars money the look how much well you know. I don't know where you all live boys and girls but you know if you live in a house. Let's say somewhere. In america that houses between two hundred thousand dollars for the house to maybe a million dollars or more. Oh okay so you don't at sixty nine million dollars. Why are you asking well. That's what somebody paid for. An nf t nfc. Yes non fungible token. Yes so lewis was a little bit on saturday. Night live recently. Just so you know a pete davidson and other people were were making fun of her. Whatever giving masha annum this to like back in the day. Yes so wasn't nonfunctional token basically. It's this thing that somebody makes on the internet. It's like a j. peg right or a gift for jif. Whatever you wanna call it and it just like a picture and you can buy it you know like so for example christie's sold this this thing made by someone named people an artist right sixty nine million dollars from the sale when you by this thing this. Nf t you know just like lincoln just link that you have credit for it. Anybody else can can put the exact same thing on their website or whatever but if you haven't you paid for it and that's what you have is an nf t so another example like this guy. john rule. Yes the fire festival. Geez we talked before time. Yes the fire festival. Long story short was as big basic disaster. People lost millions of dollars festival to happen and so john rule Who i think. He's trying to raise money for for himself for medical reasons. The basically he took. He made an nf t of a grilled cheese sandwiches from the fire festival. He's trying to sell those things. What yes. And there's even a robot or a i artificial intelligent person right. Her name is f. and mak- and she has nine million tiktok followers and she recently sold an nf t of lamborghinis porta potty. For i don't know a couple of thousand dollars. Jeez douche douche dat on mu on Do that's that's something. Yes so there's news about if you didn't know him you on sub atomic particle sometimes a fat electron all like it's similar to the electricity powers batteries and flashlights. And stuff like that. Yes but it's like a lot. Heavier has more masses like two hundred and seven times more mass or yes is also called leptons right. How did you knew that. So the really unstable right dealing last night a tiny tiny tiny fraction of a second but the is really cool science saudis experiment recently illinois rate batavia illinois at the fermilab or the national celebration lab. Basically they shot all these. These tiny particles into a really intense magnetic field wall was what happened what basically it did not behave as predicted. What does that mean. Well you know physicist it. I'm not a physicist either offense. They discovered that basically like me ones are doing these really really weird things but we know of their kind of strange rate for people like chris. Paul who's one of the scientists. He's saying this might be like the higgs. Boson discovery in two thousand. Twelve all stirred. Yes oh so scientists think the maybe is is gonna explain dark matter oe dark matter. That's that one. Fourth of the universe right. that's unexplained cage one fourth of the mass of the universe rating. Yes it's pretty cool us. Two weeks ago we talked about mark linn trains all. Yes from germany. Those model train. That was really cool. Yes yes so. I was thinking maybe go into our backyard. We get some maple trees. Br ama- we don't we don't have any trees do the science center remember inside the science center. He was trees maple trees. I don't think we should do that. But it's like the neatest thing. I don't know if you know this but because of the pandemic everyone is getting maple. I'm not wearing yes. People are doing at home. They're still quarantined. So people are buying at home. Evaporaters and other making maple syrup the going online going to websites trade publications their trade publications for maple sugaring. Yes isn't that crazy. Yes okay. So for example. There's facebook cut-back your maple syrup makers the basically doubled their membership in a short period of time one of the cooling making maple serve. You know a great activity for kids right. Yes educational you get sticky stuff everywhere. We're out of time. So i wanted to everybody about our little trip to goodwill okay a goodwill guys my dad. We got a good real lot. Like i know. It's kinda weird but they've all these cool things about goodwill. It's all about serendipity goal. Sarah deputy could you explain. You don't know what you're expect. You just find these crazy things for example on my dad and i went to could will be found. This game was game like maybe in the nineteen eighties. It was really fun and now it doesn't exist anymore. I don't know it's called sequence for kids all sequence kids. Oh yes yes. I played a few times is basically connect four but you can get a unicorn guard tried yes we also got this weird thing that bram lights and i've never seen before at balls up. Shoot with a gun yes. It's so amazing. Only but i also want to talk about the trip so we went to this place called grounds for sculpture in hamilton. New jersey is really really cool yes. He's weird sculptures their giants bather their various trees just and so one of the bram like this is very inappropriate. Scope jury by seward johnson as many many of the sculptures. There are from this artist. And it's called. Has anyone seen larry. And if you're watching us in our cartoon videos news show. it was the clip. Right here is really greasy. We can't see who boys and girls. I waited special adviser. Because i i can't see how brown were to do. This is to be continued. This week's us news ears dot com. Don't forget to check out our videos on youtube dot com and our teachers lesson plans and more a little news dot com me your sweetness and your globe sources for today's broadcast include the new york times scientific american and the daily beast.

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Mo Egger with Ken Anderson

Mo Egger

13:39 min | 3 months ago

Mo Egger with Ken Anderson

"And our next guest A guy that i've had the privilege of talking with many many times But i've always wanted this data. Come as somebody who has long lamented. The fact that the bengals haven't done a ring of honor they have and i've always wanted to talk with ken anderson on the day of his election. That is today. Ken is with us now. Congratulations how are you. I'm doing great how you doing. I'm doing i'm doing well. I gotta think not nearly as well as you knew you were making this right. The bengals are going to have a ring of honor. You kind of went. Yeah i'll i'll be in that inaugural class right. You knew this was coming. You know you never know. I put a long time ago and there are seventeen other great candidates on the ballot. Some of them more current than i am. And you don't know where people's memories go so needless to say. I am so honored and pleased to be the inaugural class. Do do a sort of a dive into that for me. Roll through exactly what. It feels like to get that phone call and the types of emotion that jogs that comes to mind. Well you know. I think number one. Obviously i personally honored. But i'm i'm so happy because you know as you know in the national media the the bengals don't get a lot of respect sometimes and when you go back to the sixties seventies eighties. We were as good as any team in the national football league. And certainly i think you know people remember more about the eighty one super bowl team. But you know when i go back to to the seventies and you know the guys played in the sixties and seventies. We have some great players. Obviously you know kenny riley. Being one of them. But you know. I look back. You know myers. And isaac curtis and bob johnson and by trumping gosh essex johnson as good as any running back and we've ever had you know On the team until he hurt his knee in the playoff game against miami in seventy three. You know my roommate for years. Dave laughing tommy casanovas and i think the list goes on and on and you know to think finally we can go back to that era and they recognize me but i hope that. Remember a lot of these guys. Yeah i would. I would agree with that when when when memories come to mind of of your your finest moments your favorite team teammates and just certain milepost of your career. What memories have have come to mind just over the last couple of days since you found out that you're going to get this honour while you know. I think it's you know surprise. You ask that question. Because i just got back into a family reunion up in batavia illinois and my uncle vary whose like my older brother. Nancy moved from chicago to milwaukee and a retirement apartment aunt. Nancy never threw away anything and at a family reunion. They gave me a large box of stuff. And i spent a week going through that. And those not only newspaper articles from the seventies and on you know game programs tickets that kind of stuff. So you know the take that week and got kind of go back and relive those memories and then of course then get the call from mike brown and elizabeth blackburn. That was special. You have played with or played for all three of the other ring of honor inductees. So the paul brown is. It's remarkable to me. This was said by your former teammate. Chris collins worth in the nfl network special. They did on on paul. I don't know five or six years ago that there's the george halas trophy. There's a vince lombardi trophy. There's a lamar hunt trophy. There's nothing in the national football league named after paul brown which is astounding to me. When when you you played and played quarterback for for such a legendary figure. This is such an obvious question. But what was that like while you know you talk about being all someone when we come from the table and all i in august and college and all of a sudden fear sitting at riverfront stadium across paul at his desk and knowing what he meant to the national football league. You know the the great things. He did a cleveland. And you know i. If everybody's honest the way that the national football league at least operates today you know with the packer schedules with You know having an off season. Paul around started all of that. I mean so i mean he is kind of the founder of modern day football and and just to be around him especially i guess my only wish was i wish it would have been around him when he was a little bit earlier when when he may have been more active in the game planning but he's certainly commanded your respect and you know they say the meeting starts at nine. The meeting started when paul walked in the office and he walked into five. Nine in your in your seat. Then you got fined for being late. Ten riley had sixty five interceptions as as an nfl defensive back which is tied for fifth. All-time if i added on top of that total the number of times he picked you off in practice. How many would you have one hundred and sixty five. Kenny was a great player. And i think you know. Kenny was all about teams. And you know. I think if you talked to collins worth if you talk to isaac curtis and you'd be in training camp and christmas told the story before that you know he's a rookie going up against kenny. And then he would run a pass out and kennywood grab on the way back to the huddle and told him what he did. And what kennesaw. They make chris a better player. He would do that to me early in my career he would pick up one in and practice and then come on kenny. Your eyes gave it away or this. Was heavier shoulders the way it was turned. So you know he was all about team and all about winning and he made all of us better players in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty anthony munoz shows up. What do you remember about that. Well you know i. I was over the hill back then. my career was down They drafted my replacement. Seventy nine with the number one tech and all of a sudden you know anthony comes in anchors the left side of the line and we got max and we got flare bush shimmy got lap them and we got bush knocked. We got mike wilson. I became a good player again. Relation to those guys. It's interesting. I've always wanted to ask you this. So if you look anthony. Caught a couple of touchdown passes later in his career his rookie season the had one catch for minus six yards. Do you remember what happened there. I do not. I know he cut a lot more touched up all right. Well i we might have to go dive into the archival game footage and find out why one catch negative six yards something so something must have gone horribly wrong. I've said this to you publicly. I've i've said this to you privately. I long to have you on the air. And i hope to god. This happens where. I have you on the air and we talk about cam. And you're in. You're in the hall of fame. it's it's deserved. It's painfully overdue. And i said this to ken riley sung. We were talking about his hall of fame. Bona fides and i said to him. You know it's gonna make you feel good to hear and sort of grasp this very very grassroots movement. That bengals fans have been involved in to make that happen to to get your dad's strongly considered for the hall of fame. And hopefully one day inducted from from your standpoint it does have to make you feel good that there are so many people who feel so strongly that not only should you have been celebrated by the bengals long ago. Not only should you have been an are one of the first inductees into the bengals ring of honor but but you should have a commensurate celebration in canton. It does have to make you feel good that so many people feel so strongly about it and so many people. Frankly can that even didn't watch you play. That feels strongly about it. Why question and then that. I'm very appreciative of those efforts. But you know it's not surprising you know i think. Cincinnati has as good a fan in the national football league as anybody and you know. I remember the days going back to to riverfront stadium and the crowd we had and the enthusiasm and you know and and we were as good as anybody in the national football league You know unfortunately we have to have a dynasty in our division with the pittsburgh steelers. But i think if you look back at the years i was starting quarterback. We had by far the best record against the steelers of anybody in the national football league in oakland with another superior team we got beat by three points in a playoff game and seventy three. We got beat by miami in a playoff game. And there's only my third year in the league. I may not have been ready for the big stage at that moment. You know. I look back at the history of the bengals and and again i. I think that's one of the things that i'm proud of that. We go back. And and lately. I think in the national media Cincinnati does not get the recognition that we deserve. But we've got a rich history of winning a rich history of playing great football and sometimes people forget that when the night you you get. Inducted september thirtieth. They're also going to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of the nineteen eighty-one. Afc champions and there are so many for whom you say all right the eighty one afc champions. Maybe the super bowl itself comes to mind for most folks. It's the freezer bowl that comes to mind outside of those two when when you think of that season what's the the maybe the third thing that pops into your head after beating san diego and frigid conditions and playing the san francisco. Forty niners while you know. I think the first playoff game against buffalo and you talk about a well played game by both teams that we want you know was the twenty eight twenty one but you know when i think about those days i think about the team. We had the players. We had how good they were the players that we had how civically conscious they were. What a difference they made in the community and they were just a bunch of class guys. And i think that had a lot to do with the way. We want now in the last couple of weeks. As i've been following this and hoping i would get a chance to talk to you. We're we're selling beer now. Were coffee as well. The foundation is going strong Take me in the audience through some of these endeavors. Well we just opened up out of plainfield road in silverton be just brew copy shop. Yes in the building that the kanana's alliance has We're employing fourteen adults with disabilities. So that was really exciting that we're doing that where we're giving a chance for these adults. Earn have real jobs with real wages to become as independent as they can. Also you know. I've been talking with sixteen lots of brewery a little microbrewery out of mason and they wanted to To grew a beer for me and the foundations And give a percentage of the proceeds which will be a substantial amount. I stopped dell is the the name of One of the parties out there and said you know. I have trouble going to microbreweries. You know. I don't like i t as i don't like a heavier beer. I don't like the beers with an aftertaste goes. Oh yeah i know you like keystone mike. So we we might fear that's That's low i. It's like you can drink a lot of it. It's low in alcohol content so you can drink a lot of it. And they brought out the test batch out to the the grand opening of just brew and i think it was a hit. So we're getting ready for that in fact mo- as i remember. Yes you wanna wanna the contest that we bear with me at the holy grail of before one of the games so I'm gonna be in town for the home opener. september twelfth as well as the september thirtieth game. So i hopefully we can get it into holy grail by that and you can share i. It's funny because i have all sorts of things written down that i want to ask you about. I'm a little short on time but at the very end was when am i getting my beer from you so you just kind of answered it for me and that would be for me a huge honor so i hope we can make that happen along with you had some other contests winters. That would be a huge honor. And i'll certainly lift one to the two again. A very well deserved honor in one that. I'm i'm honored to get a chance to talk with you about. Congratulations this is always so cool to talk to you. Enjoy the rest of your summer. We'll see in a couple of months. Yes september twelve at the banks being you done in mike. I'll be the first one in the door. Don't worry about that. Thank you can well here. You go ken. Anderson and ken riley just class just an absolute class act and You know it's some of the the easiest shows you could do. Certainly here is on a on a random day. Pull out you know. Ken anderson should be in the hall of fame and it gets talked about so much and it gets talked about so much and it gets talked about so much. And you're not gonna find much descent to that in this town for for obvious reasons but when you do an objective look at the numbers and you do an objective. Look at how he how he compared to other quarterbacks of his era i think he has more than the case. I think you should be in. And i would say the exact same thing about ken riley.

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Secure Data, Protect Clients and Avoid Phishing in a Pandemic with High Wire Networks

CompTIA Layers with the IT Security Community

21:23 min | 1 year ago

Secure Data, Protect Clients and Avoid Phishing in a Pandemic with High Wire Networks

"Welcome to compu- community calf episode features a conversation from communities councils for more visit dot org. Good morning everybody. We're coming to you from batavia illinois. The headquarters for highlight networks. I am charles shoes on the chief operating officer tyler networks and phillies. Do yourself you morning. Everybody i'm phillip burnett. Sei so or our networks. When to be with you. So i realize everybody's got a lot going on their lives right now We all know what's going on out there with the pandemic in corona virus. We are here in our headquarters. We we have shutdown operations. We have our people working remotely so one hundred percent functional but out of the interest of following the guidelines by department of health. We have chosen to have our people work remotely fillon. I chose to come in here this morning to do this presentation for you and fasten conversations around other aspects of what's going on in the world plus we have some upgrades going onto our server rooms. Somebody needs to be here to let those people in It's probably going to be the highlight of my skill set for the day so because a multipurpose function here like i said we do know is a lot going on. In the world of the remote workers can see it in the headlines a lot of companies are scrambling to get that capability going and brings to mind the fact that there's other things out there going on cybersecurity and making sure that their employees are working remotely. They can do it safe. i just read. You don't think you can expand on the apartment health and isn't the other night. Yeah they did and and many other people have also reported incidents of breaches true either email. The business email compromise. There's hacking fishing all kinds of things going on out there. The bad guys are not taking a break. They're coming full steam because they understand people are in situations that they haven't really planned or or haven't practiced and that's one of the things we'll talk about today is how to prepare for this unexpected Rotation or work situation. Yeah the important. I know is the operation side of the house. We're always looking. What what's the expected worker the day. What's the plan what's going to happen. But then what do you do when your plan has the has to change drastically as we've had this worthy components of that plan that need to be looking at so you can address. The changing environment will working as with any disaster recovery. Those kinds of situations. I find out what is it is essential to your business that you have to protect. Where are they located. Who has access to them. What kind of access do they need. How do you. How are you alerting when somebody who doesn't need access all of a sudden granted access so there's a lot of control mechanisms. There's a lot of protection monitoring alerting a lot of those things but also you need to make sure that people can do their job comfortably. securely remote access is a is a huge issue so looking at ways for bbn or other secure access is vital. Yeah actually what that'd be important in. I think a lot of times we consider remote access is got internet computer. I've got a phone can access anything. I need to the world. But one of the things we need to do to make sure people are accessing it securely and safely and while we're looking out for their personal health and welfare. How're we still containing the person to help welby of the company and more importantly of our customers. Yeah that's a great question. And there's a lot of solutions out there We actually offer one that It controls access all the way down to the application level and that's important because people working on their home system for example so if they in the office they have a desktop they go on. They're using their personal equipment and make sure of today. I didn't make sure they're antivirus all those other things. You're right well. If you have some kind of controlled access that will limit only to an application then their features and functions there that can protect that is basically think about it as putting the access in a tunnel and allowing them to reach out virtually to where they need to be to do what they gotta do but also stream trentino sharing files printing things on their printer. A lot of printers are wireless. How are they protecting the wireless printing going on people's homes. There's there's a lot issue so you really need to be in touch with your security people find out. What are some tips on things that i need to do. But when you're talking about reaching out to people that's brings up another interesting aspect A lot of companies are set up where they have very robust internal communication systems We have connected offices. Some people are already set up the remote workforce but what have you established out of the band communication when asking compromise if a hacker or somebody militias is coming in and they are in internal system. How important is that alabama communications quite. Frankly how would you start. Well that's a great question. And it's vital goes a ransomware event. Where an entire ecosystem essentially is encrypted. What are you gonna do your your email. Servers are down and email is is essentially a critical communication medium right. Everybody relies on their email. And such. so you make sure that you have a plan that says hey this cell phone numbers so phone with. If i were to call you we can talk securely pretty much And then moving on through your stack saying how do we contact. Who do we contact. Who are the owner of those various processes and make sure that they understand how to have that communication to another good point. If you get an email and it tells you to Transfer funds or to write a check. Or whatever you gotta do hiccup phone call somebody because that could very well be somebody in your environment. Who's been half months ago. And then all of a sudden they came up and incentives disease in the email. That looks real. All the checks it. It came from the right person the right domain all the things that they teach you in your sturdy awareness. They can be happy in the uh spoofed you know. I think you bring up a good point when you start talking about that. Because i know in my road operation side. I'm thinking we have is event going on in society today so now people are sitting down and trying to figure out. How can they take advantage of it but reality. They were probably thinking about this event a year ago. Two years ago having plans in place we always talked about our plans in order to react to prevent these kind of attacks. Oh we have to realize the bad guys are out there planning on how to explain these attacks regular basis. How do you stay. Abreast of that was going on. Try to something actually. Becoming invasive theory assist. Well there's there's a lot of ways and one of the ways that we recommend is to do Micro focus team will top. So you think one particular aspect of your dr plan. And you can't it you have Flash cards if you will old school even and and you hand those out. That's all of a sudden today. You become the ceo. Here's all the questions he'll have to answer. It has to be ready for everybody in the team. Understand the roles of everybody else. Communication is so much more effective so tabletops are a great way for example. How how to prepare. But then you can take the planning to understand how to respond. You know the communication plan protecting assets. There's a whole list that you should so if you don't have a. Dr plan is never too late to start bill one and then and or are you able to do tabletops for for current customers or people. It'd be interesting. Because i wouldn't know how bill about starting that but is that something you can do on behalf of some of our customers we do. We do in fact later this week. We're going to have a part one of a two part series on how to prepare for a table and then we're going to actually later when people can travel we're going to see how the light one year and we're going to actually pretend we're going to go through it. We're going to hand out cards. We're gonna ask questions we're gonna white border to do all the things you need to do. And then later on in do one to one with companies Through a little small engagement come in coach. Teach them review do all that kind of stuff so so dancer question. Yes we're able to do that. You know there's another aspect to it. Missed us of the my world. How do you coordinate when you need access to remote sites mobilize people teams because there could be situations. Where remote access isn't the answer. You might physically do something to a machine or device. Yeah that's a great question and you have to do that before the emergency during a crisis is not the time to try to figure out how. How do i do this. How do i get boots on the ground. most companies. Don't have that so you need to think about that ahead of time Within twenty miles of given data center something. If your data's there how are your people going to get on site to do what you need to do. And then yeah that's part of your plan your reach out to whoever the data center provider. Is you make sure those communications both plans are in effect especially lights out centers right. There's there's a lot of lights out data centers that you need a plan well ahead. There's passwords cards in your wallet. Being places like iron mountain wherever they have backup data store so there. There's a lot of things you need to think of way before the crisis happens and you know we'll talk some of that thursday and then the follow on meeting. Yeah it's like it's important to have a partner that help you expand your capability into monitoring capabilities. Having that partner. The gusty feeling street could be part of the plan. And you'd have to have those ready to go prior to need. There's another aspect. I thought about this because i actually saw situation. was acting on emails. The other day we talked about monitoring. What's coming into our network. And if we put a remote workers how do they access that network. But now i have a remote worker. Who's accessing my network and he may be accessing other networks and is there a way to monitor the outbound traffic or the outbound risk. That might come with that. Remote workers nicotera network. Yeah part of a sim or sock. Solution is the monitoring and some companies are large enough to have all that internal where they have that capability there watching traffic both directions the firewalls for example But if you don't then you have to get a trusted partner to come in and say here's what we have. This is what we can offer here. The things that we that we will alert you on The there's custom rules for example when administrative account is added. Or if there's a large amount of data things like data loss prevention tools. That will actually alert a particular ersan behavior analysis. is also sending a big file for example. I wouldn't necessarily go in and pull all the financials and email to you That'd be a weird behavior for my role. Conrad right. so you look. For behavior analysis you look for indicators and we say indicators are compromised but also don't forget to eighty seven percent of threats are insider threat. That's still very big. We don't hear about it a lot. These days about insider threat. But they're still there people preparing to change jobs. Whatever the situation may be They they tend to Want to own the data that develop writing. and so. That's the situation where you say. Well you know you really don't own it. It belongs to the company and your major net situation but but Low those kind of situations you have to watch for. Yeah we'd like to win. Our people take their job very seriously. Patch for doing Just understanding you know how that works and how that goes through in. We talk about the internal wrist other because another aspect of There's malicious then there's also the there's no mallon tam what they're doing Maybe it's a lack of training So when when you start taking a look at how we screen our people how much. What's the biggest advantage for. The proactive training versus. The reactive. train comes after the balance that out with having people aware knowledgeable knowing what to do but also having time to do their job. Because you know you always hear the people. I think in training. I was busy taking care of the customer which is import sure. Balance that out well having a really good security awareness training program this multifaceted. I mean you can have the nice videos and things that they watch it they contest. He also have a newsletters. You have internal documents things for people to watch out for for example you know. The microsoft tuesday's still sends out We have one hundred and sixteen patches for example this month we need to make sure to share that with the right people evil but also Convert that from tech speed to business be so. That's a huge gap that a lot of companies out is how do they explaining technical risk as it becomes a business risk because they're both related. How do you in national like for me. How do i communicate to you. That this particular Remote access or this other problem that microsoft office identify is risk issue as well into the company. So you put it in there in your risk formula you know and you lay it all out and you say this is what we have and this is why it's important and this is the action you always need to follow up with those recommendations with some sort of action steps. Was this person needs to do. What is the team to do or their roles responsibilities. You know when you keep those pretty succinct and digested enough where the React to them right away. You know it's kinda like win the marketing and product development people. And they say hey. Here's this product you wanna use and it's our job if you had operationalize with now. We have our over watch platform which i believe. There's this by that gives you a little overview of that. It's the same thing there. How do we take all this data and information coming in operationalize it into action belives. Can you talk a little bit about the connection between overwatch type sock and the operational teams and how those two have to be Married buried very close together for that absolutely absolutely so From our soccer team. There's an extensive training program. They have to go through for you know network security system security hacking etcetera. There's a lot of things they have to do. But most important is developed develop a rapport with your counterparts. So in our relationship. I reach out to all of the senior executives for our partners in it. I build that relationship with knowing that in the middle of the night if feel calls on their cell phone. This is something that it's critical because we worked through. We've bought through this dubs. Because there are technical resources i to get involved and it depends on the situation but it's most important to build it reporter and get trust is all about trust because they are trusting us and and any socks in -vivor has the same situation they have the trust of somebody's business their livelihood. And if it's a small business owner that's their best their baby. That's there so there is like you know maybe sitting somebody's kid. It's something you have to hold. No that is precious to them. So that's all that's all. Well we'd like that. Let's think of the nfl for second thing. They go into the game and they've they've got a running game plan and the running game balls apart switched. Go passing attack you know. How do you move him. What makes the program more nimble enabled to change strategy midstream based on what the other teams do well at. It is just like the world health organization test test test. We have train train train. So we're constantly teaching training mentoring. We actually have mentors that teach and coach and review new quality assurance right so you have bills factors and then you have to figure out. When is it time during the remediation. Is it time to go. Active is the time to actually Allow automation to perform functions that have been approved blocking users removing assets and deeper forensic analysis so it just depends on what the situation calls for. What the appropriate resources. but it has to be measured. Well thought out and planned for. So i i know the overwatch platform has a great deal of. Ai built into it machine learning. What's going on and if you react extremely fast but there's still that overlay of personal interaction that can enhance it. Take it even further The whole debate on that. We've all this conversation about is is it a i versus human intelligence or is it a i working with human intelligence. I'm of the school. That is great. It enables us to do wonderful things but it doesn't replace the human piece of it makes the human piece of it new faster quicker more accurately but sometimes we have to intervene with the system and work together with a different direction and goes that hail mary. Maybe at the end of the game in order to win. Well you know you think of it. This way people using allergy of a needle in a haystack. I has gone way way harder than that. It's a needle in a pile of needles. So we use ai to identify what needle in that stack is most Typically the one. We wanna look at once. You've removed all the Unimportant needles out of the way. The analysts thing can focus on that needle that they need to focus on and then the appropriate response which is through training training training. So we use the i to remove noise because everybody should understand. that false. positives really aren't false positives. They're just mean that the system detected something that was similar to a threat or a behavior that bought about or that the algorithms have you thought about and then the to use the human to be able to interpret and see what action is is appropriate. Sometimes it could be. It's an approved a process. It just system looked at it as in. It's just kind of a strange connection but it may be what the business needs. We have to analyze and understand those and then know what the appropriate responses so. It's like a in in the bad guys say they may throw out a bunch of those quote unquote false positives. So you won't notice what they're really trying to sure. Yeah okay. I mean it's like when quarterback throws the long ball right. I mean if the football analogy right here. The pump fake gets people to move as hurt way. And that's the bad guys are trying to do. Go for this little fake while the real time. We're we're circling. We're going low and slow For years in my training cybersecurity they always warned about these loaves. Rats happens maybe once or twice a day for months and months and months and i was taught in the military is a mind tellus training. Was that in some of these nation state countries. They actually designate people from the time. They're they're young men and women to attack us particularly target as big japan. Let's say sasser or somewhere ban. That is their target. They learn everything they can about that target through social media and everything else that they can learn so they understand the nuances and the culture and then how to break into that culture once they can they can speed and and and create things that are common custom behavior. awareness really doesn't have that much of an impact 'cause they're acting as if they're real. That's the dangerous part of nation states as well right support to you. We always have to be diligent about We could go on for hours and hours on his no feel kids. I've learned a lot of time. I said it's nice. feed go. Take this operational real her like myself. there is a lot more we can share with you on this. The thing to keep in mind is you have the training you have tools. You have the systems in place understand how to use them saudia operationalize in in defender your company and your network and more importantly because so. Hopefully the tabletop. Tough and a little bit about You can go to our website at high water. Networks dot com look into our watch platform building. Reach out to us. Be happy to share more with you i. It's just important that we all understand. Our dynamic is changing the world I've had people talk to me as i was coming out here. And they said now he's can't wait. We return to normal. And i correct my said. No we're going to return to the new normal because we won't go back to the way things were. 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Consumers arent worried about inflation  yet

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

27:55 min | 4 months ago

Consumers arent worried about inflation yet

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It is thursday day the seventeenth day during good as always to have your long. It has been tough. We know to have heard. Oh so very much about inflation. These past couple of months here there and everywhere. The economic news is about prices going up. What j. powell has to say about it. And whether it's gonna last or be to vote or lustrous fed chair transitory much though in all of this you and what you're thinking about and expecting since inflation expectations are a big part of whether inflation actually shows up. Here's marketplace's mitchell hartman to get us going. Go to the gas station. The price at the pump is more than fifty percent higher than last spring. Used cars up three percent major appliances up twelve percent of claudius som- who spent a decade as an economist at the fed says price spike. So far are mostly concentrated in things like vehicles and appliances and travel tied to the reopening of the economy and frankly over decades. We have seen a very moderate pace of inflation and the federal reserve is convinced that it is going to come back down. And that's what most consumers think too. According to a new survey data for morning console says economist. John lear consumers believe the prices of certain goods and pandemic hit sectors are likely to more rapidly than other goods so right now consumers expect trips and vacations and cars and home repairs to go way up in price but not items like furniture or groceries or rent. John burnham is fifty-five an automotive engineer in batavia illinois with one kid in college and another heading there next year he's trying to make sense of all the inflation news. I'm very good at spending money but my wife is even better at budgeting. I'm aware of the inflationary fears. Some people might have Yeah there might be inflation. No i don't think it's gonna be like the seventies the family's been saving for a new dryer and a new car. He says but with prices up so much right now if our minivan holds out for another year we may have to push that purchase expectations of higher inflation. Might actually worry higher income folks more than those who spend most of what they earn. Every month says claudia. Som- inflation hurts the wealthy. It makes their savings less valuable and it actually helps those who have debts. She says as long as we just keep rising with inflation. The money's not worth as much when you pay it back. I'm mitchell hartman. For marketplace a very quick calendar note here especially for employees of the federal government and companies that. Follow the government's holiday schedule. President biden may juneteenth the federal holiday day so federal workers says the office of personnel management. Get tomorrow off. Most of them since juneteenth. The nineteenth of june falls on saturday this year. Friday will be the holiday if you work for a company that uses the federal holiday calendar. Which i think i do best to call. Hr before you decide not to come in be calling wall street day a split decision for the major indices. We'll have the details when we do. The numbers here is today's wait. What economic moment as a group high school dropouts and high school graduates. Once you adjust for inflation are making less than they were in nineteen eighty. Economists and policymakers have been debating. Why for almost as long as it. Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs is it automation or weaker unions and organized labor. Well anew working paper from a bunch of top. Economists argues main. reason is machines. But as marketplace's scott tong reports this will be far from the last word on where american jobs are declining and where they are growing wages in america are increasingly unequal and the biggest reason according to this paper is automation. Machines replacing workers who perform routine tasks think elevator operator toll collector and then there are fewer of these jobs. It's lead author. Darren us mogul mit economist. You have to compete for these jobs or go to something else where you don't have the right skills and you're going to experience a decline in your wage as you make that transition. He says people attempting the transition tend to be men with less schooling in these jobs. Also get squeezed when companies send work abroad but asamoah glue. That's a smaller factor. Automation has happened. More pervasively across the economy so offshoring focused on fewer number of sectors. This paper will still get peer reviewed and peer economist. Economists bradhurst spine at the upjohn institute for employment research argues. There's another related reason for low wages at the bottom declining unions if there's weaker bargaining power on the point of employees. It's a lot easier to implement technology. That's going to replace a lot of their tasks than if a union for example fights that where most economists do agree is that education matters specifically post high school. her spine says that doesn't need to be a four year college degree but it could include additional certificates skill trades. Training were reforming school itself. In the past workers replaced by machines found new jobs that were more productive and lucrative. But mogul at mit says. It won't just happen by itself. It only comes if we invest in new technologies that create new tasks and new opportunities for any worries. Those breakthroughs are lagging. I'm scott tong for marketplace. You know the global economy goes twenty four seven right there brancaccio and the team at the marketplace morning report. Get out of bed real early in the morning to get speed. Check him out. So how's it going for you. The whole re entry thing you doing okay or is it. Maybe too much too soon. You got that making pleasantries with strangers thing nail back down yet. Were waiting in line or just being in a big group of people. I'm asking because as you might have heard here. Big corporate gatherings and conventions are back marketplace unmet levin went to the world of concrete convention in las vegas last week and yes he brought back a big picture. Look at one of the biggest pieces of the vegas economy conventions but he also got a close look at thousands of conventioneers trying to get there in person groove back and he brought back some tips tip number one. Remember the business cards. I mean i left them all in the office. Really haven't been back into our office since last far so i did not bring them on with me because i didn't know we were shutting down for fifteen months virginia. Dean is with the association of materials performance in protection. She was the first person. I interviewed on the convention floor. The second was kovar nece. He sells caulking guns for a company called newborn brothers. I'm gonna give you my car. Get your card card with me. But i can take your car email. It was a recurring theme. When was the last time you really need a business cards anyway. Here's something else you should prepare for the name tags. Safety net is gone conventions are using digital badges for contactless check. And that was a problem for caroline roberts with the association of equipment manufacturers. Where so rusty that. We don't like recognize people anymore. So you like forget look usually had that name take around your neck and so then when you're looking at someone you could be reminded of their name and with the digital tweeted. We couldn't cheat. That can be especially awkward if it's a co worker. You're meeting for the very first time. The toolmaking company hilti brought about sixty people to world of concrete. Some of them were hired during the pandemic in only knew each other. virtually dania. wilson has worked at hilty for a couple years. She says every time she pass somebody who looked vaguely familiar. She got anxious. There's so many people that i haven't met in person and i see them virtually all the time and then when i got here i bypassed so many people because i wasn't sure if it was them or not zuma's taken us into our colleagues kitchens and bedrooms we've their pets and children and significant others but we've never seen many of our co workers stand up. That's what through wilson for a loop with her colleagues simona. Let's sell familiar. But i didn't approach for about two hours. The real simona was a lot taller than wilson expected. No-one at hilty had trouble recognizing north ceo martinez mcisaac. Who for her part was thinking about a different relationship costs to benefit all the expenses. The elaborate two story booth the espresso machine in baristas. The flights and hotel stays in color coded uniforms. Is it worth it. The company has done pretty well. Doing business remotely. Will we be able to get deep enough into the customer's needs. It's one thing to hand him up a big jackhammer let it break concrete. That's fairly simple interaction. And i think we're going to learn a lot in this show and then depending on the outcome of them then will decide. There's some thinking that going forward bringing employees together might be the real value of conventions. Just don't count on a team. Happy hour at the hotel bar at least not yet that labor shortage we've been reporting on it's real karen huff with black pro. Mfg found that out firsthand. The hotels can't get people to come into work to like the bar you go in for. They're like well. Nobody showed up today. We the bars not open. Look i don't wanna give the wrong impression here pretty much. Everyone i talked to a world of concrete was thrilled to be out of the house. Interacting with clients and coworkers in plenty of things haven't changed like roaming the trade floor and loading up on branded mouse pads and free backpacks. That's the carpenter's pencil. And the penn. Also hold your song for all about innovation here at the appropriate sucre sanski sell self-service fire. Extinguishers she says if you're into the whole swag thing bring an extra suitcase. This is the first time. I'll fifteen months so we have a lot more to offer something else. You should expect more of convention fatigue. Scott dawes with hexagon a construction tech for vegas. Two three days let alone four is enough time for me so look forward to getting back to my home home that place. We've spent the last year trying to leave in las vegas. I'm matt levin for marketplace. Coming up probably about two thousand fourteen. That's a lot of tortillas for a lot of tacos but first let's do the numbers the dow drills down two hundred and ten points today six tenths percent thirty three thousand eight twenty three for the blue chips nasdaq gained a hundred and twenty one point eight tenths percent. Fourteen thousand one sixty one the bell. The s p five hundred basically flat forty two and twenty one miami-based homebuilder lesnar earned more per and brought in more revenue than expected shares. Up three point six percent we from scott talking about the relationship between wages and automation. So let's check the automation slash robotics sector shall we. In the industrial robotics area rockwell automation. Milwaukee dipped four point three percent zebra technologies domiciled in lincolnshire illinois automation tech to retailers warehouses and more down nine tenths percent supermarket chain. Kroger of is going to be quizzed. People who pay attention these place placenames cincinnati at four point three percent of the shopping cart after reporting positive earnings and boosting its guidance on prophets bonds yield on the tenure tino thus fell one point five one percent listening to marketplace this marketplace. Podcast is supported by personal capital. Who can help you take control of your finances no matter where you are. Download the personal capital app or start today at personal capital dot com to get free professional grade financial tools including a retirement. Planner and fi analyzer. Want to talk. Personal capital has registered advisers by phone or online for qualified users personal capital. There's no place like financial confidence. Hey all i'm mcrae as host of the marketplace podcast. This is uncomfortable. Taking advantage of a loophole is a delicate game. You cut a lot of corners but you also risk getting caught and what. If the loophole really infuriates. People also can be games. All systems can be gamed. It's just a complex system and there's ways in which to manipulate it and there's ways in which to you know it in my favor and why not do that this week. One man with a lot of debt discovers a controversial loophole and actually gets away with it. New episode of this is uncomfortable drops thursday. Wherever you get your podcasts. This is marketplace. I'm kai ryssdal. The corporate governance news of the week comes to dateline redmond washington microsoft world headquarters where the company has announced that such an adela is going to be the new chairman of the board. Those who are attentive to these kinds of things will know that nadal has already got kind of big job being microsoft's ceo probably takes up a whole lot of his time. So how does it work. Exactly when one person's got both of those jobs marketplace's merrill cigars on that one. A ceo's job is to run a company. A chairs job is to run the board of directors which as a group has a lot of responsibilities. Rita mcgrath teaches strategy at columbia business. School you advise. On strategy monitor performance overseas financing controls. Boards have a huge job to do in terms of compliance audit and evaluate management which includes hiring and firing. Ceo's so you could see how things might complicated when the chair of the board is the ceo. Mcgrath says this arrangement can be risky and other ways a write a lot about how companies can miss things unload. That's because the leaders are isolated from reality. They they they're not exposed to what's really going on. And that effect is only magnified. Got that much power concentrated in one person now by all accounts. That isn't the kind of leader. Adela is but it does increase the risk. In the case of microsoft the company will have an independent director on the board. Who can hold meetings without chairman and ceo. Santana della now. It's worth saying here chairs. Don't actually have much formal unilateral power boards make decisions as a group and shares. Don't get the final say or veto. But they tend to have a lot of influence. Edward rock at the institute for corporate governance and finance at. Nyu says it's kinda like this. What is the formal power of the queen of england. Very low being. The queen of england isn't really really important in english society in politics government and the chair is in some respects like that he says there is a counter argument by the way a reason people say it's good to have the ceo. Also be chair that maybe you don't want to centers of power in a company. I'm maryelle sagarra for marketplace. We have spent a lot of time a lot of time with small business owners the past fifteen months. They have been as we've been telling you some of the companies that have been the hardest hit some of them though of the small businesses and figured out how to adapt and grow so we start this story south of downtown los angeles the second interview in a row out of which i get lunch. Which is awesome at the corner of alameda and washington boulevard where it's mostly warehouses and big rigs on the road. So i'll tell you what we should go inside where it's a little more quiet inside what used to be a chinese restaurant still got a big. Abc express chinese on it but inside. Eight women are making tortillas for takuya couple of miles away in downtown called sonora town owned and operated by tayo diaz and jennifer feltham. Tell me about this business. I mean why. Look zillion takas in los angeles. The restaurant scene is crowded. How come you guys had. This is a space. we ought to be. That was something that we got told initially also that there were four other mexican restaurants on within a block of where we were to open but we were secure enough in the belief. At least what we were doing. Was something a little different. Because when i first met teo he drove me all the way to hometowns. Either tacos that you're gonna try today hometown. It's in Northern mexico and so onoda sally's vehicle arado right on the border of arizona above four or five hour drive. That's a long day. thank you once. We got there and tried the tacos. I there wasn't one that equaled it here in los angeles and he told me even that day that he was going to open. Its own shop one day which i kind of back then but look at us now. Okay so talk to me about this flower. Then what's the flower that it's made in. my home. state is specifically made for tortilla. So it just has this different texture that we weren't able to find here and so when we open we started driving they're bringing. It drew five hours to get a bag of flour. Yeah well like a whole truckload of fair fair enough with the month when we first started and then it got less and less baz business grew so My mom started helping us because she lives right on the border and she started crossing it for us. We still go pick it up like once a month. Give give me a sense of output here. How how many making things right. You're you're making the small ones and you're making the big. Yeah we're making the small ones for the top. The big ones for ito and probably about two thousand fourteen. Everything here tall. But done by the end they. I mean so we've got. I don't know if you're gonna hear that sound press and they. They moved the little ball by hand. And everything's by hand business. It's good we actually. We're lucky that sales didn't drop that much. Because we pivoted till i all to go and pick up and clear how things were going to go. I think when dining rooms closed everyone sort of filled with uncertainty. But i still wonder you know like how sustainable it is being the We still have to supply chains in order the flower thing. We are back to solve that issue because we were able to send out a sample of our flower to a lab once the pandemic started and we were not sure if we were going to be able to continue to get the plows and so we were able to get the exact chemical makeup of our specific type of flour and we're shopping at currently into different Mills here in the united states to see if they can make a blend that will be a good substitute for. Let's back your do or reverse engineering sonoran best guess because people also have shopped Stadium like grown are meet here it is. You should be able to have the same results. But it doesn't yield the same result just like the meat here that we use we can use. That is very similar. But it's not gonna taste like it doesn't mexico so we are currently. We're always working trying to ask sonically get closer to the real experience that i had back when they met you flick. The water in new york bagels right. Okay show these ladies output two thousand of these things a day and then what well a get backed up and then they get sent to suck it all right. Let's go to the tucker. You go also just really quickly. Am i going to be able to buy lunch out of this right. Yeah that's that's the next gen. Intel decided early on in this pandemic because of distancing sure but also because they were growing that they just needed more space sooner town. The actual restaurant is bad. A ten minute drive Smell good elle's good right so this. This is where the magic happens. So it's worth commenting on the different section of la. We're in now right. We were in sort of a warehouse industrial of place. And now there's foot traffic fashion district. This is this is why you are here. There's a lot of people that come in to work in the different for different fashion brands every day. All different kinds of incomes and so our prices are pretty affordable so that we can cater to the widest swath of the people that are here in this neighborhood. So let me ask you to go back a little bit. Like march of last year on the bottom was falling out. Yeah what were you thinking. What were your i mean. We're like oh. God were doomed It felt like a once in a lifetime event. And so then you that every time that i was freaking out that everybody else around me also and then watching some of my really close friends in this neighborhood lose their restaurants that had way more experience than me was a really insane. Just hard to sort of To to see how come you were able hold on while your friends. Who had more experience. Ron warren what happened. Yeah i mean. I think in this specific instance top. Were something that you know. Even if you were struggling you could still afford to eat tacos. I think that's what also made us think that it might not be a terrible idea to open a second stop. Seems like if it was pandemic proof and whatever else might come by like people will always probably sell us. The places of our friends closer like sit down restaurants and those took a huge. How much of your time do you spend thinking about supply chain. Yeah along a lot. Even half fifty percent thinking about my employees and fifty percent of a supply chains Yeah so look you guys have made it through right. Things look good. They certainly smell great. And i'm going to have some in a minute in six months. Where is this company. How you doing. Hopefully our second location is open and were back to some sort of impersonating dining. Yeah when we close. We are moving because the dining room. We took over all of room space kind. There's we started selling things like a little birch. There's there's all kinds of stuff right sounding like hand sanitizer toilet paper so you did a little pivot and just the answer is you're never going to pivot all the way back as we talked about before he pivoting as many times as many different ways. We can whatever comes. We'll we'll try our best. You know which is running your businesses all that okay. So here's i want. I wanna house special burrito your come marketplace's pan. No i'm completely serious. Marketplace's pay that was jennifer feldaman tayo diaz owners of sonora town in detail. And i'll tell you what a week too much that day. That's for sure. Note on the way out today. Very quick one to about streaming saw these in the hollywood reporter both of them number one data from the research firm that the average number of streaming subscriptions in the united states per user has fallen just a bit seven point two three subscriptions per in november two seven point zero six in april. I'm pretty sure. I'm below average on that one actually which is fine. I'd number two and related. And maybe it'll make the streamers feel better. I don't know the good people at nielsen say streaming services. Get more of our tv watching attention than broadcast as netflix and youtube alone. Nielsen says account for twelve percent of all the time that we spend in front of our. Tv's aren't we gotta go. Here is your moment of economic context though. Didn't want to go without noting. The regular thursday report on first time claims for unemployment. They rose last week to a much better than a year ago. But still really high four hundred and twelve thousand people fouling first time claims mugabe john buckley eve epstein john gordon rick card. Anthony parker beth. And betsy streisand or the marketplace editing staff. I'm kai ryssdal. We will see everybody. This is apn hollywood host of marketplace tech. A show that helps you understand the digital economy. 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The new reality of Afghanistans economy

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

28:33 min | 2 months ago

The new reality of Afghanistans economy

"This marketplace podcast is supported by equifax the world's digital infrastructure company looking for the choice and control of hardware with the low overhead and developer experience of the cloud deploy equinox metal in minutes across eighteen global locations from silicon valley to sydney. Just add metal at metal dot equinox dot com. It's jed came here host of the kids. Podcast million brazilian where we help dollars. Make more sense. We answer the questions. Your kids have about money and economy like what is the stock market. And how does it work. Do we have to pay tax in renton money. And what does the history of banks. And how do they work. You know the ones that are kind of hard to answer well. We just wrapped our second season. Which means it's the perfect time to binge all million bazillion let us teach your kids negotiate the right way learn. Why pizza costs what it does here from some kids. Who started their own business and more million brazilian. Find us wherever you get your podcasts. It is a political story. You bet military to of course underneath that although as so often happens an economic one as well from american public media this is marketplace in los angeles. I'm carl rozelle monday. Today sixteen august could is always daniel along everybody. This past weekend is going to be one of those that people remember for a long time where they were and what they were doing. As twenty years of american involvement in afghanistan came to an unceremonious end the details of that part of the story how it happened and why you have heard or read elsewhere but with the government now gone and the taliban in charge there are some practical economic realities that have to be considered. The taliban has an economic engine. That has gotten it. This far the question as marketplace's sabrina finish your reports to start. Our coverage. Today is whether that is going to be enough form to govern with. The taliban is well funded. The estimate has been added. Alabama makes tens of millions of dollars a year sometimes hundreds of millions vonda. Felber brown is a senior fellow at the brookings institution. She says a reasonable estimate would put the talibans recent budget at one hundred million dollars a year. Although some reports suggest it's been as much as one point six billion. The money comes from a lot of places. Recently they'll brown says the top source is taxes probably his stakes everything from government projects to international trade at the border the taliban taxes food fuel goods inside the country at even texas cell phone towers on penalty of blowing them up kidnapping for ransom and the opium trade have also bankrolled. The taliban david mansfield is a researcher and expert. On afghanistan's drug trade is much less significant than the trading legal. His research in one province suggests income from taxing the opium heroin and methamphetamine trades was about nine percent of the taliban revenue there but as much as the taliban makes it's a lot less than the budget of the afghan government before it which was around eleven billion dollars. Seventy five percent of that came from international aid that does not mean necessarily the donor countries will have a lot of leverage with the taliban says matthew levitt with the washington institute for near east policy. The taliban is not going to feel the kind of financial pinch that some in the west expect it will because it doesn't feel the need or obligation to provide the level of services that the afghan government did meanwhile over the past few years. The taliban has been building a repairing relationships with former enemies including china russia and iran in new york. I'm so rebecca sure for marketplace with apologies to frederick the great or maybe it was. Napoleon sources are unclear. Today's armies travel not their stomachs but on their military contractors and as america's longest war comes to an end so too does a business opportunity for those contractors. The united states has spent tens of billions of dollars over the past twenty years to those contractors to sustain its troops in afghanistan to feed them and house them and support them marketplace's. Nancy marshall genzer has the corporate side of the story of the day. The us military relied on contractors like kb are and dyncorp international for all sorts of things in afghanistan for cooking for driving for delivering supplies. They were used across the board. Linda builds teaches public policy at harvard. She says sometimes the pentagon had so called. No cost deals with contractors. Whatever project cost the government would pay. The whole system was set up in a way to enable contractors to rip off the government one contractor supreme food service pleaded guilty in two thousand fourteen to overcharging the us military for food and water served in mess halls in afghanistan. Mark kassian at the center for strategic and international studies says there were also no bid contracts where a company got a contract without having to compete with other firms on things like price. We didn't have a good sense about what it was going to cost. And we didn't have the people there who could do the negotiations or had the data so Contractors were basically able to charge whatever they wanted kenzi and says eventually that changed and the pentagon started negotiating better contracts. He also pointed out that it's very expensive to hire experienced. People like former military officers to provide training and security. Dan greasier served with the marines in afghanistan. He's now at the project on government oversight. All these people who are obviously contractors and we all knew that they were making a lot more money than we were and they have job security. The us military has decided it wants contractors in the field right next to us troops. I'm nancy marshall genzer for marketplace. This is a tough turn to make after a weekend like this one was and two decades like the past. Twenty years have been but for wall street. Geopolitics hasn't really mattered. Much of late new record highs today on wall street. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. Okay a little turn here to go elsewhere. I guess there's some data at a red fin real estate brokerage but of concentrate the mind of anybody thinking about getting into the housing market. The company says sixty five percent of the offers its brokers made in june wound up in a bidding war and while things have eased up bit as the summer has worn on then more houses have come on the market for a lot of buyers looking for a house is become kind of an endurance. Sports marketplace's amy. Scott has the latest in our series adventures in housing. Meet joy deep mukherjee and shomali day. They go by joy and shy both work in it. They got married right before the pandemic and have been living working and bumping into each other in a one bedroom apartment in jersey city. Ever since six hundred and six seventy six seventy five square feet so it is quite tight space. They started looking for a house last september. After a dozen failed bids they knew they had to go big where they'd never get a home so when a four bedroom on half an acre came on the market for five hundred twenty five thousand dollars able to go up over asking and put an offer for six seventy five one hundred fifty thousand dollars over asking we were like we will definitely get this and we didn't even make top ten and the house and the house guard sold for like some seven ninety. How are you going to compete with that. They were ready to give up. You talk about burnout. I mean they got to the point back in may where they said caitlyn. we're done. Caitlyn is caitlin sour. They're real estate agent with lighthouse residential. And she knows something about pushing through fatigue. I was a pole-vaulter track runner did a marathon so the endurance of this. I'm used to. She's also been a coach and has a degree in sports psychology. All that came in handy when shy enjoy were hitting the wall. I've definitely texted them. Being guys we can do this. Like the little pep talks. They powered through and on their eighteenth. Try joy and shy finally won. But it wasn't quite the victory celebration you might expect. I don't know how to explain it. It's like excitement. He has but i'm not jumping up and down like i just want to go there already. You know i actually tell my clients you know in this kind of market this is not a sprint. This is a marathon carmen. Meeks as a broker in sacramento. And she's earned the right to use that cliche as we spoke on zoom i noticed a plaque on her wall so this is chicago marathon and i have the i have the boston. And i have the new york city plaques. She's training for london now. Running twenty six point two mile race is all about pacing and discipline not unlike representing buyers in this housing market. I actually had some marathon clients. They're good runner friends of mine. We really had to make close to twenty offers before we got accepted turns out the sports real estate. Combo isn't that unusual realtor. Bron wilkerson is also a sports psychologist strength trainer and college volleyball coach in saint louis. He says there are a lot of parallels. The biggest thing i see is patients. You know Grinding it out and being flexible and go with the flow a little bit but staying in that mindset can be tough buying or selling. A house is often emotional. Clients may be dealing with death or divorce. I had one client who she was great. We did three deals for her but always knew okay week to. Here's where she's going to have a breakdown. The psychological background is worth waiting gold. Just because you're dealing with people at the end of it sometimes it's about knowing when to quit for athletes and homebuyers take one couple agent. Caitlin sauer was working with. They were tired. They said we're done. We can't do this anymore. And i said stop. If you don't need to move. I don't want you to have to buy something and hate this process. This should be happy time in your life. So now they're hanging out with a little kid and they don't have to go out every weekend. And in the meantime the markets become a little less competitive. Maybe they'll try again. I'm amy scott for marketplace. You got a story about trying to find home in this economy fare would tell us about your adventure housing. You can do that at marketplace battle coming up. I thought i am never gonna do this. Yeah been there first though. Let's do the numbers down does show up one hundred ten. That's points three tenths percent. That's percent close to thirty five thousand. Six twenty five nasdaq down. Twenty nine points. Two tenths percent finished fourteen thousand seven ninety three s and p five hundred eleven points two tenths percent forty four and seventy nine economic numbers for july showing a slowing economy in china by the by the country's national bureau of statistics reported slower growth than expected on measures of industrial activity domestic consumption and investment. China's unemployment rate rose a bit as always the caveat. There is a fairly large size grain of salts who chinese economic statistics. The german discount supermarket. Chain all these plans to hire more than twenty thousand workers in the united states as it expands and fares for holiday. Shopping all these. Us operations are based in batavia illinois by the way just west of chicago. Bonds rose yield on the tenure. You'd like to know right bodrogi. Tenure tino one point two six percent. You're listening to marketplace this marketplace. Podcast is supported by path. 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Deep learning insured to self driving cars machine learning engineer robotic software engineer and many others checkout you acities detailed course listings at you. Dasan dot com slash. Apm once again. That's you dasan dot com slash. Apm this is marketplace. I'm kai ryssdal. There is obviously a whole lot. We don't know yet about what's happening in afghanistan and what is going to happen next both to the people and to the economy there under taliban rule one thing we do know is that there is and there will be an enormous need for humanitarian support. Much of that support has been provided in past crises by variety of intergovernmental and non profit organizations which means that they too now have figure out what is going to happen next. Marketplace's kimberly adams has that piece of this story. Countries in groups that had been funding aid to afghanistan are now reevaluating. their policies. Susannah campbell runs the research on international policy implementation lab at american university. The standard response is that when a government is empowered. That donors don't like and don't want to support that they circumvent that government by routing funding through humanitarian groups like the international committee of the red cross. It's hospitals are flooded with new patients from all the recent fighting according to spokesperson crystal wells. So our budget in afghanistan currently has around eighty six million dollars we actually have a funding shortfall of about thirty three million dollars. The icrc has been working in afghanistan for more than thirty years. And well says that's possible because the organization stays neutral we have been working in taliban controlled areas for years and we do have a positive working relationship both at the top level and the local leadership level. That makes a lot of sense as american universities. Susannah campbell because now that the taliban is in charge it has to provide some social services. So the question is does. The taliban have the capacity to actually provide those services or does it help on e. partners right now. Many ngos are trying to evacuate staff from afghanistan and says jason campbell of halsey researcher at the rand corporation. The taliban have also been very sensitive to the influence that some of these outside organizations might bring in by advocating for civil rights for women minorities and other oppressed groups in washington. I'm kimberly adams for marketplace. Might happen at some point in the next couple of days given the news that you might not have hear us on the actual radio maybe the rest of the week. I don't know but if that happens. Check out our podcast would you. We talk a little bit about the chinese economy in the numbers. A couple of minutes ago fears their recovery is slowing a delta. Mostly that's the. That's the macro picture. But there is a lot going on over there right now. That's more self inflicted case in point. Beijing's antitrust investigations into some of that country's giants technology companies and tiny up on policies for some other industries as well academic tutoring among them and that. Intern is raising some questions. About the future of china's one hundred twenty billion dollar education sector more now from marketplace's jennifer pack in shanghai when you as investors sold off millions of dollars worth of chinese education stocks last month math tutor. Ding wage out taught as normal in central china but he was anxious. You're appliances city. I was worried. I could lose my job. He works at a so-called cram school like a test. Prep center regulatory changes to the tutoring industry had been rumored for months but no one expected the policy to be this sweeping again thing. Wait jal a cram. Schools are no longer allowed to publicly list raise funds so that restricts development the policy also blocks tutoring of core subjects like math and english on weekends and holidays and bans any online courses for children ages. Six and under shown peng is a stock trader from sheila to some good china hopes to reform its primary and secondary school system in a big way. The first is to provide equal education opportunity from big cities to the poor countryside although what officials want to do and how they do it might be contradictory for example. The policy puts limits on online tutoring even though he says that is the best way for children in remote villages to access quality education. Now if you know what they found us down that you go. The second reason for the policy is to strengthen the control and guidance of education for future generations students now spend more and more time in extracurricular courses but the government can't control how these are taught stock prices for chinese education firms listed in the us plummeted by seventy percent or more last month investors. Feel there's too much uncertainty with chinese regulations. But don't panic just yet again. Stock traders young. So you waste now. Good policy is one thing in china but how it's implemented is more important and it varies across china. Local officials in eastern province were filmed earlier this month. Going after a suspected illegal tutoring center after knocking on a door and receiving no answer for ten minutes. One man kicks down the door. He screams in front over a dozen children while another man grabs the tutor. Almost as if it's a drug rate the center is accused of defying cova nineteen prevention measures and for not having a proper teaching license under the new policy but over in the southern chinese city of shenzhen. Join nsa's tutoring school has been operating as normal and he says he will make adjustments if he needs to go. Monaco you so mobile sean. That nobody if we aren't allowed to tutor core subjects on weekends. We'll have to teach them for mondays to fridays and on weekends. We can teach subjects. Related classes like rubik's cube which is related to math or chinese calligraphy and reading which are related to learning chinese. If you tutoring schools have closed their doors. The government says the policy aims to reduce the education costs and stress for families like ching baby among of one talk about the policies. Good for ordinary folks like us who don't have that much money in time for tutoring classes and if moms like her aren't burdened with education costs the government hopes. They will have a second or third child. Which would boost the declining birth rate but team bay says one is already a handful and while she doesn't like the idea of tutoring classes. She thinks her son might need them when he takes the big exams for high school and college ball by the competition is between families. If someone's child went to a tutoring class and got a good exam score other parents will follow if their children have this then so will mine and this attitude may ensure the tutoring industry won't go away anytime soon in shanghai. I'm jennifer pack for marketplace. I did an interview a week or two ago with a woman who runs a business on lake. Mead the reservoir behind the hoover dam that's formed by the colorado river in case. You missed it somehow. The upshot of that interview was that it's getting really hard to run a business that depends on water when water is getting more and more scarce across the western part of the country that's true for resort businesses and it is especially true for agriculture which means farmers are having to adjust almonds and walnuts giving away to onions and garlic and also tomatoes marketplace's caroline champlin visited a farmer in california's central valley. You know you're getting close to the wolf ranch when you start seeing spill tomatoes on the side of the road farm. Owner stuart wolf has twenty thousand acres or he also goes almonds pistachios and garlic. We opened his suv for a tour wolf's right in the middle of the tomato harvest any admits the growing up on this farm. He never liked tomato season. I thought i never going to do this. I mean it's just terrible. Everything was kind of wet hot stinky but these days he's prioritizing tomatoes and oversees the annual production of three hundred and fifty million pounds of tomato paste after his air conditioned jeep. The buzzing churning processing plant is a shock everything here is being heated up so it's like a sauna the smell is sharp like tomato stems and sort of like there's animals somewhere but there aren't everywhere you look there's tanks and pipes and blooms. All the water in the plant is eventually going to the ranch. But we're collecting water from all over the place red streams of tomato water run into an underground pool and get pumped back into the fields. No water is wasted in part. Thanks to wolf lab assistant. Kelsey carta chia. She wears a white coat and looks more scientists than farmer grab campbell's every hour carta chair collect samples of ground up tomato skin and seeds. What's called pumice and measures. It's leftover water content. These greenie tomato bits will end up in dog. Food and water left is money lost my results. I take them to the control room and they make adjustments over there with the drought this year. Wolf access to extra water from other farmers has dried up. Tomatoes are actually relatively cheap water wise but his almonds are not on the drive over to see wolff's orchards. We passed by neighbors. Their trees were dry. Yellow these are entries at the guy. Cut the water on. And you can see they're done. That will be a total loss. Wolf says he looked at extra water costs for four hundred acres of his almonds and estimated. The patch would have cost him over a million dollars so he cut his losses by grinding up the relatively young trees and mixing them back into the soil for carbon credits. When you go out and you plant these trees little trees you feel like it's like your kids and so then the come out. Prematurely yankee mound put him in piles watch him get ground up. It's a bummer. We drove over the remains wood chips and some tiny immature almonds. Wolf is still growing around two thousand other almond trees but with water costs. He's actually considering an orchard removal for other farmers looking to scale down and there are a lot of them because the demand for almonds and the number of producers have grown so quickly over. The last few decades money grows on trees was the saying around here dan. Sumner is an agricultural economist. At uc davis. He says some farmers may wait and see before taking out their trees if california has fewer eggers imams. Maybe i wanna keep mine because the price will be higher. Sumner says what. Growers decide on a big scale remains to be seen but this drought does look like a turning point. Climate has changed enough looking forward and has changed rapidly enough that maybe i don't want to go back and replant these almonds. They may plant other crops there instead like tomatoes. Because of droughts do become more frequent and more severe. Sumner says the days when money grew on trees will be over. I'm carolyn champion for marketplace. This final note on the way out. So this the wall street journal today. Some data from snp global pointing out the companies are hanging onto cash like they have never hung onto cash before six point eight trillion dollars in cash and short term investment sat on corporate balance sheets in the second quarter that is a global figure by the way. It's also obviously a record high and up more than two percent from q one not necessarily a great sign. All right we gotta go but here is your moment of economic context. It's more of a thought really than anything else. And it's something that kimberly adams said in our meeting this morning talking about our slice of the story of the date twenty years twenty four hundred american military dead thirty eight hundred of the american contractors that nancy marshall genzer was talking about have been killed tens of thousands of afghans and american allies dead. And here's the question. How do you add up the cost of that failure. I honestly don't our daily production. Team is on ease in andy corbin richard cunningham. Maria on horst sean mchenry palacios and minju park. I'm kai ryssdal. We will see tomorrow. Everybody this is apn. This marketplace podcast is supported by geico. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. 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Ep. 83  Machine Tooling with Gordy Erickson

Swarfcast

28:47 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 83 Machine Tooling with Gordy Erickson

"Hey everybody thank you for listening to swap cast before we start we have a quick favorite ask you if you love the show please rated and writer review on your podcast. App or tell somebody about it. It really makes a difference for us and we appreciate it. Okay on with the show hospital little you buy a stack of these policies. That are gonNA come off the machine that we're looking at us on each one of your employees and they take their asks for today however many rooms expect them to go into and put them in pouch and then you sterilize them tomorrow. Morning on that employee comes in. They'd take the same. Math is yesterday that are sterile now and he was so this is worth cast. I'm Noah graph. Today's guest on the show is Gordon. Erickson founder of Quality Pool in Batavia Illinois quality specializes in tooling up packaging. Machines often for food products such as meat and cheese since the COVID nineteen crisis began. Quality is played an essential role in combating the epidemic. The company has told machines to package cotton swabs for testing people for Corona virus. Soon it will be tooling machines. That Produce Pouches for holding n ninety five masks so they can be sterilized for reuse as he used machine tool dealer specializing in high production equipment. I've encountered plenty of fire damaged machines. An average fire cost of business hundred thousand to five hundred thousand dollars and six to eight weeks of lost production time. Install on over fifteen thousand. Cnc machines fire trace protect shops running oil-based coons by automatically detecting and suppressing fires within seconds after fire trace stops a fire it system quickly rearms and you can have your machine back up and running in as little as forty five minutes for more details go to. Www dot fire trace dot com slash swore cast. That's www dot f. I. R. E. T. R. A. C. dot com slash S. W. A. R. F. C. Ast very very happy to be with Gordon Erickson he is the president and founder of quality. Gordon has actually been a longtime reader of today's machining world. Never done a podcast before and I'm really excited to introduce him to this world. He left a comment on a very recent blog. The question we asked was. Are you doing anything to help with? Covid nineteen and he had a number of things to say and I for one am somebody who kind of wondered what I could do to help because I would like to help but I feel a little bit helpless and so it was very refreshing to talk to you and see what you were doing so just to get started though. Why don't you tell everybody what quality is and am? I saying the name right quality quality that kind of a play on words right. It's spelled K. W. A. L. Y. And so quickly. I'd like to learn about your company a little bit and get your story and then I want to go into some of the things that you're making like a I started this small machines Our main products that we work with our vacuum packaging machines manufacturer. We work most with is called Tier Map and basically what she would recognize her packages as bacon package hotdog packaged cheese package. Something like that and whatever my seems to they pull out all form package but your dogs and then they seal the top on under vacuum and then make the cuts across the machine cuts in and finished packages. Come out the end of the machine. Okay so I'm picturing like you you buy meet at the store ernest kind of like Styrofoam at the bottom and then there's plastic on top. Is that what you're doing? That's basically the but the packages that you would see that came from. Our machine should be the ones that don't have most of the time any rigid format any kind on the bottom in the hotdogs area. You'd see packages are better vacuumed against hotdogs or might be like two sacks of four or five hotdogs in each one of the back twice lunch made is another big one so those come off of the machines and you have those machines at your shop. Or you're selling those machines to the meatpackers we on me packers. And then we also saw and under the medical industry and then the medical industry they would use the same machine to make something. Like a suture mobile kid or a package of God Maybe some laps lunges or operating room tiles. Okay so you've been selling to the medical industry for a while then. Yeah that really is how I paid my way through college work. This Clinton medical companies keep the equipment round taking my paycheck. Gusting it in business and in engineering classes. All right to tell me something about that then. So how'd you encounter this kind of equipment in this? This field grew up in Williams Bay. Wisconsin and I worked at a place in Lake Geneva Wisconsin. Then they package cabinet applicators and some lap sponges but mostly what we did there scouting tobacco caters. So I work on the machines manufactured the applicators and then sometimes I may says like be seen in the summers to be installed on the machine various different machines and I learned a pretty good amount about packaging. I kinda followed that company around Alabama for a couple of years and I came back to Chicago area and started working. Company called Uber. And what they did. This manufacture these act packaging machine and and while I was with them at a lot of people that worked at various different companies around the Chicago area. And I would be the guy that would show you if you're the customer. How when you turn out the speed when you change. Various things change What would happen and what you WANNA do to make adjustments to make good and those guys started calling me at all hours of the day to get help. Keep their machines running interesting so between the years probably my career at. Hooper ended them and six and between the mandate six or eighty six rather nineteen. Ninety people were calling me at all hours of the day. Asking what would you do? What would you do list and Manse over the phone? And then I'd go out to their lamp help them in the morning before I went to my day job and then go out after and work with them at night sometimes. They started asking if I could make this partner that and in the shop that we had at work at coming on Saturdays and Sundays maybe make a mold for a new product or them so they could form on the new product things going to work out with the family around two or nineteen ninety. Got to the point where I needed to iron employees. Because hours on day one guy could would have to give up. My Day. Job was to do And then when I heard him employees then I had to have insurance far but Marlins cobb and then you said fine. I'll start my own business. Yes so that's kind of one. Quality was born interesting interesting. So you are making like the molds that people would put in to the equipment to make the packaging so same. Somebody retired a machine that had package cheese and then somebody was looking for a machine. That would pack top talk so you agree all the tooling from the cheese. Packaging scrap that manufacturing new tooling. That would make hotdog packages and rebuild. The machine. Set it up. So everything's ready to go. Take it out to the customer and put an end. Make sure that I changed the way they want it to be interim man they continue running and if they have a problem might kill my stare -pired or do some repairs field service. Whatever you're customizing people's machines that they already have and then shooting for them and coming up with molds coming up with ways that they can make apart. Yeah for these machines. They call it tooling rather than die so make the tooling to make whatever you come up with a product. It doesn't really matter what it is. I mean we've made Syria balls. You know where they they. Forum put some serious damage on that and cut it out people by not just appeal to live off and okay okay. He's done all different kinds of things about anything. You could name but mostly related stuff makes them cheeses right. You told me that you did a lot of stuff for Vienna. The have I think three shame center. Are they actually auto dogs exam? The IF is huge in Chicago for those people who have never heard of it very good. Definitely they're really good hotdogs spotting so we do some stuff of Scott Peterson. I'm best Chicago Kosher. Hot dogs like bests kosher or Hebrew national. We've made some things for Hebron snow but they're not. I don't believe there in one where you're working Melissa. I think was in New Jersey on the shelf for you out. There also did work with those two. We don't do a real lot for them because they were far away if there's one in Chicago he's never done anything like them. Okay cool all right. This brings us to right now. Covid nineteen some people are opening up now but a lot of places are still in the house of pain New York larger cities and other places in the world. And you mentioned a few things that you were doing for the effort to make life easier. Yeah we did some things. We try to get them to give us. Tell us what you've what you've done. What you tried to get into. Both things are interesting. Way of kind of started outsource everybody saw. Jd Poker. Get online impel. Everybody who is staying at home from now on those a Friday and that afternoon we had For phone calls and then we got an email from the NSA. You guys are important. Are Spare pirates swift ECKRICH close to us and they don't even their own star parts anymore they just use what we have an inventory and we either messenger out to them or they come pick it up and the same into Carl Group and when these people called us and said we need you is since we knew. We weren't staying home so Monday morning. Almost all of this showed up Tuesday morning. All of us were here. What happened to the food industries kind of interesting because these guys that we work with they make things for restaurants coming out like Andy Pack would so whole park shoulders to various and then they cut it up themselves how they see that and they needed to make a jump at very too so we've done whatever we can to if they have an idea who tried to make the purchase as we can and get it to them and they put it together and try to solid products and two stores which they've made a good jump on because now people are shopping at stores rather than going to restaurants Pam? Go TO ARREST. Grab a lot of people. Don't want to carry out there. They moved to cook at home and saw what happened to the stars. I see so. That's why the demand changed. It was kind of a kind of a change for everybody but they had to do something that they were out there looking for a screw machine rotary transfer machine or seeing seen graph bankers guy covered when you're buying any used machine you're taking a risk so it's important to buy from someone who knows their stuff and who is going to give you straight information about what you're buying. Graph pinker is a family owned firm. That's been dedicated to selling great machine tools to turn parts industry for seventy five years. It specializes in the top multi spindle brands including index. Shoulda Gildemeister Tornadoes Z. Ps Acne and Whitman they also sell a variety of other types of used equipment such as CNC SWISS CNC turning centers and parts washers machine. Tools are complicated. If you're going to buy one you should go to. People who are knowledgeable and committed to the industry learn more at. Www DOT graph pinker dot COM. That's www dot. G. R. A. F. F. P. I. N. K. E. R. T. dot com. Okay well tell me about the medical stuff. Now we've been involved in a couple of different ones we've got out should on Florida. We made had twenty up setup that they were on syringes. I'm and they got an order for three and slobs to do the May slobs in order for six opposite to the angle slob. So the made molds necessary to convert the tooling the head and they're on three shifts a day on the three hundred flop. Oh a SWAB S. W. A. B. Swab your swab took a q tip but really long to to start out of the plastic handle and gets a little smaller diameter metal in the come down. I'm set up to run either one of those two sides on. That's probably been the biggest one. We tried to get involved with the advocate. The we weren't able to get involved with ethic change so that they were going to do which I ever lab. Yeah Okay Yeah tried to get involved in that. Because I knew an engineer up there and I talked to him there just wasn't they weren't GonNa do it before like appeal open package like well. We're able to help them. Make do a tube with a slob inside there and some juice in there and you could get your culture. Whatever out of somebody's nose and then put it into the June. That's what they were working. At the time. The engineer I was working last everybody there. I know one guy show then. We weren't able to do too much with them. So these are the machines to put the plastic over the swab boxes to package. The swaps will vacuum Pharma Package and then they put out in and feel the top on it and the cutting and everything and then when it gets to wherever it's going to be. Is THEY DESCRIBE IT? Appeal ended in politics. I Slava sticking up in the air out of interesting and you said something else about masks. What are you doing for the masks? Or You haven't gotten into that quite yet. Well we're not actually making the masks. But they want to raise them and we're in the process right now making a perforating system go on to a machine that makes pouches and they've got an order for millions of these patches and after you use your math you're gonna take it and put it on the pouch and then it's GonNa go through an autoclave to be sterilized so that's clean and usable again and then basically got three or four masks and we put them in there put it through and then when you go from room to room I guess is a new mafs everytime they can't really afford to throw them any of them away now. Wow so this is for the. What are they in ninety five? Yeah but we wouldn't actually making the mask. It they make the pouch and then you would take side ninety five mass by the hospital. You work out at the end of your shift. You put an end to this package and I guess. Put a label on whether your name and they overnight with sterilizing. Come back to work tomorrow morning. Peel this package open. And there's your five maths for today and it's the same to you yesterday. And they can get a little more life out of him. They start to get dirty or anything like that mean they'll be sterile fuego biomass right now. It won't be sterile after these guys get and still be cleaner than they were when they were new. That is interesting so you make woods the pouch made of plastic One side is plastic. Pet material and then mylar could be. I think the ones that are going to get autoclave. They think are either mylar so no one side and on the other side so that air can pass through it when it gets under pressure. It doesn't explode okay. So I'm just trying to picture a plastic on one side. And what was the other side material called? Tie Back Tie breathable plastic. It's why you tell her they can print on it and it's really. How compare okay so you would configure the machine? That would then be able to seal them in plastic and then it somehow goes into a sterilization process wallets in that plastic. Yeah if you're a hospital you buy a stack of these politicians that are gonNA come out of the machine that we're working You give one to twenty employees. And they'd take their masks for today. However many rooms you expect them to go into put them in the spout and then you sterilize them tomorrow. Morning on that employee comes in the same match is yesterday that are sterile now and was it's A. How does it sterilize it? If it's in the plastic well autoclave. Process takes the temperature and they're up to around two hundred and fifty degrees. I think of steam and some steam passes through okay back then believe at the end they pull a back. You Monitor and remove all the moisture and steam and everything I see. And that's like the safest and least expensive that they could offer US outline access. Everybody's a little leery. That right now until vocal stare gen-x thing gets sorted out. Is there any other products? You're making whereas these two swab swab packaging and the pouches and there's one for the mask man the same customer as punch making machines and they also make bags could have sailing solution when we did the work on the sealed plates that we did. They said that they were going to be plasma bags. And they've been around those for a couple of weeks. I never really see the end product. We make apart for machine and we give it to them and then they run it and they tell me it's going to be a plasma bag. You're going to start hearing about this pretty. She didn't speak sauce and start hearing about it on the news. You did a little tiny part interesting but normally to get one of these seal plates yard trump machine maker in Germany. It might take you three months and we made the stuff in the. We've got on so that they could start making three months and these situations to aid. So what are you the overall supply chain and as far as getting the equipment and you know various parts and supplies. We need mean. You're sort of on the inside. So what is your opinion of the way? Things have gone From the beginning until now I mean clearly things are getting better. But you know if you listen to most of the media. They would say that we were terribly prepared. And we didn't do a great job at the beginning. What's your perspective on how everything was handled and then how. We adapted think they did the best they could have at the beginning of these things. Nobody knows what's going to happen or anything and at the end everybody knows what happens so we call over here. We call him hindsight engineers in the beginning of this. You didn't know you saw the Carmen place with people who are dying and either know what was going to happen but you are issue new. Everybody was going to have to eat. So did what we do and make sure that Michigan packets food were running to that the WHO would be there. That is so interesting because when you told me before I mean maybe you left it in the comment as well about the meat stuff but when I was thinking essential items that you are making the things that came to my mind were the medical staff and the way you're portraying it and it makes total sense is food is just as essential as anything and it's just so interesting people. Just don't think about these little details that go into everything I mean. I guess it's the same with the precision machining in the various little parts that go into things but a medical is kind of a new new people are going to need this SPA. Because they knew they were gonNA make laps funding. They're gonNA need pieces of tubing and they wanted to make sure that their machines wherever I'm not as good as they could. They knew they weren't gonNA need syringes for some reason during all of this. So we've been doing repairs on the SYRINGE. Tooling medicine needed for years for becoming cardinal healthcare. Madeline they've been sending assistant repairs on that they. They asking us to their repair for years but they want like same day and it's not possible. Do all applying reassemble awesome. Will they see what's what's interesting to me is? You're the behind the scenes guy like most doctors aren't thinking about. Maybe they are but I don't I I would think that they're not thinking about. Yeah we need these swabs and How are they going to be packaged? Or do you think that they are in touch with that. I think kind of a big company like a cardinal or mad lining something there's always GonNa have them in stock and they'll call up and order yeah and the people. There are trying to foresee these guys are GONNA call them after. Better have and trying to make more. Maybe knowing it's GonNa Everything GonNa turn on toilet paper some point in time and everything. I think everybody knew in December that we were gonNA run out of math. They'll probably wasn't many people within see the news and didn't know something. We're going to happen when they saw what happened in China right but I bet you. There weren't too many people who were worrying about how everything was going to be packaged. Nobody really even thinks about packaging. Heard talks lasting about the patch came in. Nobody really thinks about it they. They're focused on. God focused on the swab. They're gonNA is not the packaging and how it got sterilize driving but still I find it interesting after I've been doing this since. Nineteen seventy eight really on an awesome. It's an interesting every week of the third time. Yeah now it is very interesting. It's always interesting to learn behind the scenes. I mean this is truly behind the scenes but truly essential. How does it make you feel doing this work in this time? Like how people like this. They recognized that they got a problem. They have no way of Salman and between our engineering shaming some capabilities where able manufacture. Whatever it is that they can dream up and help them make the whatever they dream of having you know everybody has ideas but for the most part. They can't make it happen because we have a guy that actually is doing slobs Little Flap slobs with him and had a great idea but in order for that to ever become anything somebody machine could do all kinds of different things to the films to make it happen and I like doing that and then watching them go into action. We'll start them and start making money off of it a lot of times. End Up getting rid of chocolate. Then maybe severe you you. You're not getting rich off this. I assume I mean you you I. I hope that you're being compensated. Well WE DO OKAY. But there's not millions of dollars in the machines because he's all somebody machine there's maybe get two or three hundred thousand dollars machine whereas GonNa make ten or more million dollars what they buy it off so products so so a million products for a dollar apiece. You make some portion of a million dollars actually take crops now. Sure you're not GONNA get that out of the machine. Yeah we we experienced that but after about two weeks overrunning that product. It gets kind of boring to move on to the next project. The next idea. Try to make it happen. Yeah Yeah So. Would you say that this moment in time has given you extra purpose in what you do on a daily basis or do you feel like you already had that? I think we pretty much already have maybe a little mark. There's a little more pressure. Everything should be done fasters but time to wait if they don't get it in the market real fast them. They hope man right but either way whether you're doing this or whether doing meet during normal times you really don't have any margin for error like that has to be perfect as well. Pretty much does when like when they came out with the slice lunch may bad somebody communist Carol was basically making their two ounce packages. A lunch that around some kid. Yeah I mean that'll kill you but at least it won't kill you because of bad packaging and that was a good package all those years. But then somebody came up with the idea of your slice it so that it's like wrinkled up of bound and then vacuum packaging put that outside of a tub and then people could open the clean part of the package. News top reseal. That's a whole different mark and I guess what they call it more upscale being and being around at the very beginning of that was pretty interesting to see pam half as much or as the other package and then you see it on the cells into about three times as much houses. I we're GONNA wear coming on the machine and I run them every day. People love it so very interesting. Gordon I I really appreciate you doing this interview. I learned some some important things. I think it's important for the world. Understand the little details behind the scenes and So I really appreciate it. Thank you and keep reading and hopefully listening. From now on I'M GONNA have to get into this noxious gas awesome Sandy Mail when I listened to my first one. I hope it's one. I hope it's this one. But it's hilarious there too. Many people that say they've they didn't listen or hand get on them to listen. I think maybe they were afraid of their own sound of their own voice but anyways thank you so much not from today's machining world. This is a swamp gas production. If you like this episode please subscribe to the show and Rada on Apple podcasts. Stitcher wherever you get your podcasts. Follow US on facebook. 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"Kentucky has signed a voting rights. Bill bipartisan voting rights bill. It's just so granted glorious while many states according to cbs news or pushing restrictive laws today. Kentucky governor edi bazar signed a bipartisan. Bill that expands voter access. They now get three days of early voting three days early. Voting georgia has seventeen a additional two optional sundays. And somehow or another Andy beshear the democrat. It's funny how it's always the democrats are doing. These cranny glorious things of barely giving people that voting and and somehow it's wonderful and of course georgia is is awful terrible state because it's giving people Minimal minimum of seventeen days of early voting bias if the media didn't have left wing bias I might not have anything to talk about on the radio all right. Let's talk about the god. Particle the the new god bar. There's always god particle. This is this story is buzzing around other. it's nonpolitical at. I'm tired of politics by the way speaking of politics though. Kevin brady The the congressman brady of texas is gonna join me after the thirty after the hour. The bottom of the hour Talk about the infrastructure plan in the taxes. But let's talk about this. This is a new york. Times story is actually pretty in depth story by one of their science writers. This is the headline a tiny particles. Wobble could up end the known. Laws of physics experiments with particles known as muons suggests that there are forms of matter and energy vital to the nature and evolution of the cosmos that are not yet known to science. Evidence is mounting that a tiny subatomic particle seems to be disobeying. The known laws of physics scientists announced on wednesday a finding that would open a vast and tantalizing hole in our understanding of the universe the result physicists say suggests that there are forms of matter and energy vital to the nature and evolution of the cosmos that are not yet known to science. This is our mars. Rover landing moment says chris poly a physicist at the fermi national accelerator laboratory fermilab in batavia illinois. Who's been working toward this finding for most of his career. The particle celeb- is the on which is akin to electron but far heavier and is an integral element of the cosmos dr polly and his colleagues and international team of two hundred physicists. From seven countries found the muons did not behave as predicted win. Shot through an intense magnetic field at fermilab. The everett behavior poses a firm challenge to the standard model the suite of equations that enumerates the fundamental particles in the universe. Seventeen at last count. And how they interact. There is strong evidence that the more on is sensitive to something that is not in. Our best theory. Says remain rene fit fa. Timmy a physicist at the university of kentucky. The results the first from an experiment called muan g to agreed with similar experiments at the brookhaven national laboratory in two thousand one that has teased scientists. Ever since at a virtual sonar. A news conference on wednesday. Dr paulie pointed to graph displayed white space. Where the fermilab findings deviated from the theoretical prediction. We can say with fairly high confidence. There must be something contributing to this white space. He said what monster might be lurking there. Today's an extraordinary day long awaited. Not only by us but by the whole international physics community grassy auto veneziani a spokesman for the collaboration and a physicist. At the italian nationalist for nuclear physics said in a statement issued by fermilab. The results are also being published in a set of papers. The measurements have about a one in forty thousand. Chance of being a fluke. The scientists reported well short of the gold standard needed to claim an official discovery by physics standards promising signals disappear all the time in science but more data on the way wednesday's results representative six percent of the total data. Muan experiment is expected to garner in coming years. Now some of you are thinking. Why should i care. What on earth is this so we have this thing in science in physics. It's called the the standard theory. On how the world works now you know the the newtonian laws of physics objects at motion to stay in motion and objects at rest at reston. Less of force is applied. What goes up must come down Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Where we're we're not supposed to call those newtonian anymore because that white advise the physics apparently the woke. Don't let us like call it newtonian but there are standard laws. It we know there's gravity we know there electrons. We know they're neutrons. we know. There are protons we know they're muanza and quirks and the higgs boasts at all of these all these different particles and what they're trying to do is they're trying to explain the way the universe works and they have general theories and then there's quantum theories and quantum physics is just whacked out. It's it's everything you don't think all the science fiction stuff comes from that but they tried to find ways to make it all work and inevitably they become stymied and a lot of this stuff and this is where. I actually went to go with this. There are so many people in the world today believe a divine higher power and they believe science could explain everything but what they don't want to recognize is that so much of their beliefs are actually by faith as well. There are so many of their beliefs that can actually be explained except by faith for example they believed by faith that there must be other planets out there that sustain life we have no proof of these other planets that sustain life but they conclude based on their models that there must be some proof of life out there they take it by faith they take it they you know a lot of people look at this and they say you know if the earth were a few thousand miles in either direction couldn't sustain life if water didn't freeze from top to bottom we couldn't have life if the earth were tilted on his access access little more we have life if the solar system were in a different location in the milky way we couldn't have life of the sun was not the shape of the size of the sun the way the sun forums. We couldn't have life all of these things where you can have life. All of these things look to people as you know. It's not an accident where here there must be a god. now people who reject god save. They're they're going to be thousands millions of planets like it in the universe. They can't find them. They get himself it but they dismissed the idea of god. The difference have a a friend of mine. He's one of my professors in seminary. He was by systematic theology professor and he said something one time that's always struck with be. The difference between the christian and the atheist is that the christian has a firm understanding of what came before the big bang. The atheist has theories a christian as a firm understanding of what came before the big bang an atheist test theories and whatever atheist gravitates towards as the proof is proof by faith it is. It is a total proof by faith. They don't actually know they're trying to figure it out there trying to fight it. They're trying to find something. They're trying to find explanations the the they've got now dark matter. We can't see dark matter but there's gotta be dark matter dark. Matter explains things they come up with theories that is not to say. The theories are not wrong. I have a friend of mine who is a physicist who is a deeply religious person and what he says is that god presents us the bible as a way to know him god also weaves himself into nature as a way to know him and because god we himself in nature as to know him. We can know god by understanding mathematics in physics and the universe and we can see god in it a lot of these people they get to the stuff and they say well. What is this that there can't be a god. There must be an explanation and my friend. Who's a physicist looks at this. And he says there is a god and we're interested in how he did this. Sometimes you look so hard at the at the cork at the mooon at the electron at the subatomic particle. They missed the bigger picture. But sometimes you look so much of the big picture that you miss the nuance. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes you can't see the trees for the forest. There's a more complex picture. Look at but we shouldn't be precluded by saying by faith. We believe that god created the stuff and made it so with a lot of these people who reject their beliefs are by faith as well and they seem to think that their belief is more evolved. More vance when it's a it's a by faith belief you know the the the hindus used to believe that it was a turtle who held up the universe. They literally this was an ancient Indian subcontinent southeast asian belief that a turtle held up the universe what held up turtle another turtle what held up turtle another truck turtles all the way down that that was an actual belief turtles. Alway down we know. There's not a turtle what is there. It is our quest our desire our mission our fascination. I mean everybody gets fascinated. Y'all if you live in a city if you live in a city you owe it to yourself to get in your car one night find a rural part of whatever state you are in and drive to that part of the state do it at night and get out of your car and look up at the sky on a cloudless night. I live in in middle georgia. We've got streetlights around us and still even still. There are times where i can make out the faint glow of the milky way. We like to go to hilton head. One day fiver do good in radio and and make some good money. I want a house on the beach at sea pines and hilton head. It is one of the few places on the planet where i go and just relax because i've been going there since i was in law school and it was the place i went to relax and law school and i want a house on the beach. Itsy pines and hilton one. Day where i can go relax and you can go out there in the middle of the night and you can't have beach lights on because of the sea turtles from to beach lights on now there are certainly lights. But they're on a lot but you can get out on the beach two o'clock in the morning. The air is warm and moist. There's not a cloud in the sky and you can look up and you can see the milky way the secretaries cloud you can sit in the pool. This where i like to do. We were in a house. Usually we didn't do it this year because all the job changes and stuff. I could go spring break. But what i like to do the like to go to hilton head. Get house on the beach. That has a hot tub to clock in the morning even the summer. It's it's kind of chill and there's a chill in the air you turn on the hot tub two o'clock in the morning and you sit there. S just look up and you see the shooting. Stars see the planet. She see the airplanes the milky way. Or go out to sedona we we. We went out years a couple years ago. I took christie the kids out to sedona arizona. Now i gotta tell you. I went to the southern rim of the grand canyon and i was not as impressed as When i went to vegas a couple weeks ago in flew a helicopter why didn't fly. How pilot fly and land inside the ring canyon. that was way more impressive but sedona. I was fascinated by the rock formations and all that the canyons and stuff. I mean we see this as you like god. God's got just a magnificent artistic sense of beauty but sedona and flagstaff. Arizona are dark sky communities that means they go out of their way to make sure that there's not light pollution at night even in the city. You can stand out. You can look up at the stars at night and it is spectacular wanted to. I've got a telescope. I take pictures of the stars at night. You should follow me on instagram. It's spectacular. But i look at that and i think god's wonders never cease. And then you've got other people out there who look into and they just this also sort of random act and i feel sorry for those people because there's no sense of wonder there i think when they think it's also a random back and they they they play in the find the mmu on the quirks and they come up with these elaborate theories and they hold people who are faith in some level of contempt for believing there is a god who painted the heavens in the universe and they just. They don't have a sense ability enough to realize that they have a by faith belief as well but the difference is there by faith. Belief that they refuse to even admit is by faith gives them no hope for themselves in their future in my by faith. Belief gives me profound in the future. One day i want to be among the heavens and go see the orion nebula up. Close the cat's eye nebula up close. I want to be able to do those things one day. I probably will be able to the new heavens and the new earth who knows what gotta let us do but it's just no more by faith in the people who were scrambling around trying to find more laws of physics and running into roadblocks where they realized that the laws of physics we know. There's one little particle that upends the whole thing. And oh my gosh we have to start over or just believe there's a bean out there who said let there be light and there was light than brady of texas is going to join me at the bottom of the hour to talk about the biden infrastructure plan and the corporate tax increase biden wants He's got lots of good information on comparing it to what. President trump actually did the full number. If you want to be a part of the program is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five right now. I want to put out an all call for anyone. Who's got something they want to show off a vendor. You've got a product. You've got a good you gotta wear Rocco's gaspar georgia's having their first annual rock and affair may first and second ten. Am to five pm. She'll be music. There's going to be food. There's going to be a children's area. It is free to the public anybody. If you haven't been up to jasper it's gorgeous anyway but you go up to jasper to rocco's it's biker friendly by the way but what. They're really interested in right now. If you've got something you wanna you wanna be a part of it. There needs some sponsors and you could go to rocco's jasper dot com. You can go to their facebook page. They've got reformation. Brewery is going to be sponsor with them. Coca-cola's it'll be sponsoring with them Their partner with pickens pets. And you just. It's they're going to have food they're gonna fund. They're gonna family. It's going to be free to the public. So there's going to be a massive crowd. If you've gotta got a food truck you your vendor something. Go up to rocco's but Check them out at rocco's jasper dot com. You can also check out their facebook. Page rocco's jasper it will again be may first and may second today m to five pm. And they're looking for vendors. They want people to come up and show off. They know they're going to have a crowd there. And by the way if you are in the public and you want to go it is free for you to go Hanging out at rocco's it's a neat place up jasper You should head up there and thank you to them for sponsoring the program The masters have they have weighed in on the georgia. Voting law and people are really really outraged at the head of augusta national. Espn is savaging. The head of augusta national pointing out. He's given money to republicans noticed that they don't do this. You can imagine based on me saying that what he said It wasn't supportive or or Khandan condemnatory that's the word of the law just said we're stay out of politics. We play golf. The pga has refused to cancel. Its golf tournament in georgia. The masters or still under george. You get chased him. Astros even though keith olbermann have meld how you call it the master. He rates us. They're not getting involved in politics. There being responsible sports fans unlike major league baseball. And you know you don't have to play the masters you don't want to. But it's part of augusta national. I have never been to gusty national. A buddy of mine. And i were going to go last year. He had tickets to go. And that of course covert happened and they cancelled it. They moved to november. There was no crowd. I still watched it. It is beautiful. It's more beautiful at this time of year. I one day. I want to go play golf and i'm a terrible golfer. So really i would to like drive the car. Drink the beer. While everybody else at the golf balls. Because i would lose the golf balls but i need to play golf. There's a golf course near me. My son wants me to get a membership so he can drive the golf cart. I need to do that. Father son time on a golf course somewhere and besides now. I'm done by three for the first time in my life Working adult. I can go hit golf balls or do something of course right. Now you'll practice fly fishing in the backyard. Because that's becoming an obsession. I'm afraid One of the members of congress who knows a thing or two about The budget and spending and taxation happens to be the ranking member of the ways and means committee that would be congressman. Kevin brady from texas. He joins me by phone congressman. How are you. Hey good morning how are you. Thanks for having me on the show. I'll absolutely. I am so glad to have you here. And i particularly in light of all these these comments and complaints among democrats. Who i by the way before i get to that. I want to gauge reaction to this washington post story today. That is almost a lament That now suddenly the democrats find themselves with just a two seat majority in the house in large part because of the biden appointments. And the unfortunate death of alcee hastings they. They don't know what to do with themselves all of a sudden well. I wish they'd been thinking about that. Earlier as they were rushing through some of the most I think extreme socialist agenda legislation. i've ever seen In congress they really you know at this point in the presidency. I are reaching out across the aisle on issues. Like covert were infrastructure. You know these guys are going it alone and As you've pointed out thanks to for doing this but you point out the covert bill had to do with covert the infrastructure. Bill has little to do with infrastructure. Yet he really doesn't. And now this this salt deduction the state and local tax issue. It looks like the they can't find common ground among the democrats on what to do with it and it seems like for years having portrayed you guys on the republican side is the party of the rich. Suddenly you've got the democrats wanting to give a big deduction to rich. People in new york is unbelievable. Here we are trying you know battling our way out of pandemic and the economy still locked down by some governors and mayors lot of people. Struggling democrats are insisting on a huge tax breaks for millionaires. Half of this salt cap repeal will go to millionaire households in predominantly high tax states It is a big tax break for both president biden and vice president harris And even the progressive groups are saying you know to their democrat cal. This is obnoxious to be giving tax breaks. You know at any point to the wealthy much less As we're trying to recover and of course we noticed in new york Cuomo is trying to raise taxes yet again. And he's counting on the salt cap to cover up just his brutal level of taxes. Look new york these. The these really are tremendous states but they are so brutally taxed for families and the workers. It's just unbelievable. I don't know that. Most americans understand with the way the salt deduction works that you get to deduct your state taxes from your federal taxes and now there's a cap that for years Democratic states high tax states have been able to essentially Not make the public feel the burden of state taxation because they could deduct at the federal level and now suddenly they're having to wake up to what their states have done. Yeah you know. A couple of states Finally realize they can't hide their brutal taxation levels anymore they have to be accountable for it. Secondly what this did was rest country subsidized really five or six of these democratic states and their high taxes. So you know rural community subsidized cities. Low tax states subsidize high tax states and Governors and mayors had the green light to taxes will and so the calf of ten thousand. You know we took the national average for the salt deduction in doubled it so really. It's the states that are the biggest outliers the most extreme that are impacted by this. Now that gives me into the corporate tax year now you guys reduced corporate tax. We were the highest in the world renowned middle of the road. Joe biden wants to go up joe. Manchin says not so quick. What i find fascinating the entire conversations weller. Some of the major corporations that find themselves they can have a competitive advantage against their competitors if we raised the corporate tax which tells me probably not a good idea to do it but yet the democrats just seem to think that if they raise the corporate tax It's not going to affect you and me or anyone else. In the country of these corporations had this isn't about corporations it's about their workers Who pay the price. Bear the brunt of these tax increases because businesses. They don't pay the taxes they collect them. So it's workers their workers get hurt It is families We all know Who are counting on these businesses for their 401k's their ira their their and of course there's no question. Biden's tax increases will drive will reverse with president trump in republicans. Did which is we brought. Us companies jobs and manufacturing back to the us we stopped cold. The obama biden tax policies drove. Us companies overseas They're going to re to to reverse all those gains and so we're gonna fight as far as conservatives we're gonna fight for the communities who can't survive another round of their local businesses Disappearing well one of the things that y'all did that i appreciate it very much was roping. Llc's more into the corporate tax structure. Because i i mean. I run my businesses an llc as lawyer i advised and created tons of llc's is just a an easy way for people to navigate without having to go through a escort or c. corp and most of american businesses seems like small businesses structured. That way and they're gonna get deemed by this biden plan. Yeah no doubt about it. And look know when you hear joe biden You know give misleading leading statements about what our tax reform did which was really drive Higher paychecks in more jobs Four blue collar families in the working poor They also mislead that. America's corporations don't pay their fair share. The truth matters. Most of our businesses are just as what you described. They are small businesses. What the government calls pass throughs limited partnerships In so tooth matter is That no president has ever raised business taxes to recover from an economic crisis. These rates will be worse than china. Tax rate will be worse than china and on par with syria. And there's no question. This is going to slow hiring. It's gonna lower investment here in america and i think it's gonna trigger second wave of. Us businesses moving overseas could a little more time on that because one of the the issues like i use. Apple is a great example. It outs. It held billions of dollars. Offshore until the corporate tax was lowered than brought money in texas. Where you are invested in infrastructure Creating new jobs there win. Those is a tax was lowered. Yeah at the time. Thanks for pointing that out. Because at the time we did tax reform. Well one of the big drivers was. America's tax code was so outdated that we're about the only major country in the world that would tax a company here and we tax them overseas and if an american company competed and won overseas and wanted to bring those profits back to the us. The old obama biden tax code at the time punished businesses actually Push that investment away. From the united states we changed all that So that businesses could compete and win anywhere in the world including here in america but when they did succeed they could bring those profits at zero rates back to the united states. That's why we saw record levels of investment in research in america now i know the ways and means committee Have been there for some time. But i wanna i wanna ask you about infrastructure. Generally because i'm kind of a. I have to look somewhat admirably. And how the democrats just change words to suddenly childcare apparently now infrastructure whatever they want is suddenly infrastructure d- it just seems absurd to me and yet i do recognize that Federal taxes pay for roads and bridges and things like that and i realize we need some of the infrastructure building but really i mean come on here yeah it is just just look at the covert bill had next to nothing to do with covert. Nothing about the stimulus fact. The white house still wouldn't tell us how many jobs that two trillion dollar stimulus would actually create. This is the same wordplay here very little. This has to do with infrastructure. Most of it really is green. New deal Spending a lot of social welfare spending and of course excuse to raise taxes on On not just local businesses but they're going after Energy workers again In some of the things they do are going to hurt like Royalty owners toll twelve million in america mainly seniors Widowed they get like five hundred dollars. A month supplement To so security because these small rural he checks they're gonna wipe them out and so it is i. I wish the national media were really pulling the curtain back on this proposal because infrastructure which by the way we all agree on roads bridges ports aviation you know broadband you know those traditional structure if we if there was a focus on air. This would be a bypass nefer. Maybe they're gonna be because of the senate and joe mansion insane but it just it seems like we're back to grab bag politics. You know. I remember as a kid. the democrats were just the tax and spin party and they kind of became sort of socially liberal party in response to conservative cultural ism and now it seems like they've gone back to revealing who they always have been this massive tax and spend party which i guess with joe biden having been in the senate for like fifty years. It's natural they would go back to do that. But i'm really concerned at this point with the national debt particularly when i see china. Looks like they seem to want to be doing financial place to us like we did to the soviet union in the nineteen eighties to destabilise us. Yeah there's no question here that as rama manual used to say you know never let a crisis go to waste. And there's no question. Democrats enjoyed by are using the healthcare and economic crisis to spend and put in place new entitlements of spending that will be very difficult to To to stop In terrain in and of course all this new spending literally six trillion dollars of new spending just from congress over the past year is going to be headed into our federal budget. You know will blow that even further. So there's no question when we take back the house as conservatives in one year and about eight months we're going to have our work cut out for us to try to get the spending back under control last question before we get out of here and thank you for spending time with me. A what are your concerns on. Inflation right now is seems like more and more people are starting to worry about that. Yeah and and there's real worry about this. I know. I know some dismiss. This but cheats manner is between the federal reserve and us government spending. We do risk Run the risk of inflation. And you're starting to see that today. Eric if you look in our supply chains. You're seeing because there aren't enough workers to man The lines In in in production you deliveries are delayed. Those prices are spiking. It is it is driving inflation in manufacturing in so many of the products you and i buy at the store Or in our local community. And so you're going at some point that inflation's going to show up in. The fed has a care. Federal reserve has a terrible track record identifying it And react to it. So yes we. The laws of economics have been suspended in this pandemic. No they have a congressman. Listen thanks for spending time with me today. It's it's good to hear from you. You're welcome back anytime. Paint you sir eric. Great thank you for having me on absolutely. Take your congressman. Kevin brady of houston texas Lives in the woodlands and he is the ranking member of ways and means ways and means committee in congress was the chairman overseeing taxation that committee one of the oldest committees in congress been around since the very first day of congress in seventeen ninety five They broke it up for a little bit. But they've carried it out. The taxation policy obviously necessary in any event he oversaw president trump's drafting of his tax restructuring plan in two thousand seventeen and probably the expert in congress on the damage. Democrats are gonna do. By trying to raise the corporate tax rate as companies repatriated money into this country which the democrats don't like to talk about. But it's a real deal issue all the money repatriated by these companies into the united states because we lower the corporate tax rate. That money's gonna go away if they raise it the way joe biden wants. Have you ever wondered how many lives were saved by great britain. Getting out of the eu. I know we're not supposed to talk about this. They get mad at you when you when you pointed out but the experts told us that large numbers of british citizens were going to die by britain's exit from the european union particularly in light of cova the guardian. The leslie newspaper. The uk lamented in a headline brexit. Means corona virus vaccine will be slower to reach the uk erin. Saberi them at the washington. Free beacon has a story in march twenty twenty when covid nineteen bearing down on europe. The guardian published that headline the european union would entice drugmakers with its massive market. The news article said meeting member states would get first dibs on any vaccine to make matters worse. You're the united. Kingdom was leaving a european governmental entity that allowed for accelerated assessment of new drugs experts quoted in the article warned that it would be all but impossible for britain to develop its own authorization process before the vaccines were available. Predictions of procurement crisis. Didn't come to pass. But there are a better description of what happened in europe than the uk where brexit sped up the vaccine roll beyond anyone's expectations being outside the brussels bureaucracy. Let britain move faster and take more risks than the eu which was hamstrung by its lack of a strong central executive. Is it a buying vaccines individually. Member states led the european commission negotiate on their behalf hoping their pooled purchasing power would lead to better deals with pharmaceutical companies but the block was so bureaucratic it did the opposite thus it was britain. Not the european union that got first dibs on the pfizer and the astrazeneca vaccine and modern as well the uk negotiate tighter contracts with those companies catapulting into the front of the line and it was britain not the european union that approved astrazeneca in december. A month before the europeans the uk is now vaccinated over half its population the eu less than twenty percent. The experts say the the experts have made all sorts of wild hysterical claims about britain leaving the eu. There are a whole lot of british people. Who'd probably be dead today. They not done it Britain is going to reopen before the rest of europe The people in great britain or coming out of their houses the has been seen in public without a mask in europe. They're rethinking lockdown. In fact france and in germany we're gonna impose easter lockdowns and the people were so angry about it. They had to back off of it. It's striking What's going on. And it has a lot to do. With the bureaucracy of brussels the byzantine bureaucracy in europe europe because of its structure does not have a like president of the united states. Figure everything can be run by commissioners and bureaucrats. I had to take e you law in law school and it was one of the most convoluted things britain has done well to get outside the eu. And if anything a lotta british skeptics of leaving the eu have now suddenly realized it was a good thing. They got out of it but time and time again these days. The experts are wrong on this stuff. The experts are beholden to conventional wisdom. The conventional wisdom turns out to be wrong and then they lacked the humility to admit they were wrong. We saw this. For example with the trump administration decision to move the american embassy in israel to jerusalem. A war was going to start. There was gonna be a war. It was going to be violent because of the arab nations would react. You had john kerry say that there could be a separate peace with other middle eastern governors. There had to be one piece the palestinians and everyone else and they were wrong. I grew up in dubai in the united states the ua. When i was a kid redacted every mention of israel in textbooks they would tear out pages about israel. They would block them out. I never saw it isreaeli flag until i was in ninth grade. None of us. That aren't classroom degrees. Knew what it was today the. Uae embassy to israel has tweeted this. We share our condolences to the victims of the holocaust and in their memory. The ua affirms that the human values on which it was founded will remain firm love. Coexistence and tolerance are among the basics that humanity needs for peace to prevail. hashtag holocaust. Hashtag never again all the experts that was impossible all the experts that we would never do that. All the experts at donald trump is a full for even trying. Donald trump still won't get nobel peace prize for this because they hate him but he had a lot to do with it. The united arab emirates has an embassy in israel. When i was kid up until six months ago people up until six months ago. You could not make a phone call from anywhere in the uae to israel. The satellite lines would not connect. And now you've got this. And by the way. Unlike what. The palestinian sometimes do the uae in arabic and in english tweeted out the same tweet. Oftentimes wood-rot nations used to do is. They would say something nights in english and then something disparaging in arabic. You wouldn't be able to tell because you didn't really said the same thing peace and solidarity with israel. Donald trump did that. The experts were wrong on the experts. Were wrong on great britain. Maybe the experts need to rethink things. Because they're so in a whole lot of doubt and by the way. I think we need experts. I do think there are people with expertise. One of the biggest problems of the twenty first century in the age of the internet. Frankly is that experts. Oftentimes get outside their wheelhouse but because they're an expert on one thing they're suddenly experts on everything else is like. Oh what's his name. Paul krugman in the new york times. He's an expert on economics. But he's not an expert on anything else and they treating like is an expert on all things when he's really an idiot except when it comes to a certain bit of economics Credit themselves and they allow people to cast doubt at a time. We actually need clear voices out there.

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056 Mary Todd Lincoln Seances

Ghostly

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056 Mary Todd Lincoln Seances

"Welcome to ghostly are seances real. Ghostly is a podcast that comes out every other week in each episode. We take a ghost story or paranormal event. And look into its complete history. Rebecca then gives us evidence proving that the story is real and my job is to debate those pieces of evidence. Anki you the listener prepared to vote on if it's real or not if you haven't yet please hit that subscribe button and as always we are your host. I'm pat am rebecca. What's been going on. Rebecca well We had our very first ghostly. Book club dude. We did right before halloween. And we talked about beyond black a novel Which talked a lot about mediums and seances and We had a great time discussing the. Yeah like we don't. We didn't play man we were. We were really getting into the book. So it a lot of fun and I have not picked the book for yet for the next one But it will be in. Gene ury believe january. Yeah we will some as my as my plan I think. I think three months is a good timeframe but i'll I'll certainly have the book selected soon so we'll give people time to awesome to get it and read it. So how about you pat on. Well there's been a lack going on Obviously we haven't recorded an episode in a little bit. And i have some updates to all of that but i want to save that till the end of the episode. Yeah let's let's let's Let's keep going. Yeah yeah i wanted to keep the positiveness up. We'll we'll definitely get to that We actually have some shoutouts. So there are two ways that you can get a shout on ghostly in this particular section The first way is to help us out by buying us some coffee on by amir. Coffey dot com. We love coffee. Yeah and we have a couple of those actually time and then the other way is that we If you give us a review on apple podcast to we will read it out there. You go so Why don't you do the by mia coffee. Once i will i will so we had three different By mia coffee's. I is kevin who we love Kevin's i mean. We love everybody but especially Kevin he has been listening to us for a long time and has always been very supportive. and then the other two are people that will one is someone that i i work with Becky is amazing. She's museum her job. And she is an amazing friend and elegant supportive of ghostly and it's very cute because So she gave us a a coffee And then so did her husband as a gift ever anniversary because they love the show so much. So thank you think you think you to All of you dean. Becky and kevin forgiving us coffees. Multiple coffees each Means so much to us And anyone that wants to you give us coffee can go right ongoing podcasts dot com and the coffee cup and becky and dean are members. Now that's right. There are also members so they will get i look at future episode topics and get to chat with us. So we have. We have more plan for that leads you. We do just haven't implemented them next year. Yeah okay so we do have a review on apple. Podcast and it is from friends at at prairie paranormal pod. Yes i believe that's the name of their podcast So it it's called great spooky fund and it's a five star reviews. I mean you you know. You can't go wrong with the five stars. I think it's the best type of review so He said. I just recently started listening to this show. And i'm really enjoying it. The topics are interesting. Interviews are great. And i like the skeptic patrick versus believer rebecca debate format. Oh i thought he was i. Yeah i was gonna say. I could tell you a real excited i know. He just likes the format Alternately once the evidence is presented its left in the listeners. Hands to decide who won either hash tag team believer or hash. Tag team skeptic. And i haven't experienced this type of audience engagement with any other podcasts. That i listen to and that's a big thing for us to is. We are so lucky. Yeah we are so lucky that we have listeners. That vote that. Come to clubs. I mean amazing. Yeah i mean you know when. We created the podcast. That was our ideas that we didn't want to just be us talking. We wanna we wanna really hear what you say absolutely and we give you a lot of different ways to to voice your opinions absolutely good or bad you got it Do we have any listener. Mouth speaking of hearing from a from From people right acting we do. This is another Hand written letter that we got. I'm so excited Remember you can mail us to Just go to our website and you have all all of the information there on how to contact desk ahead. Okay go sleep. Podcast dot com. And if you want our address. It's on the bottom phone number. If you wanna leave a voicemail. We have a lot of different ways for you guys to get hold of us carrier pigeon whatever you need okay. So this one is from c. Is how they signed it. Okay i know who he is. But i don't know if that person trying to be gender would want us to say his or her name especially since they signed it with the see we're going to we're we're gonna assume they see okay so I type this out. So that i could make sure i read this correctly. Forgive the handwriting but you asked for. I have worked in a in a historic attraction. For twenty years. We have many stories to start. The original owner was very into the colt and the whole metaphysics movement at the beginning of the twentieth century so something linger here however. I have heard disembodied voices. Many times. When i know i'm alone. I've heard disembodied voices many times. When i know i'm alone. We hear music in the gallery and definite cold spots seventy plus degrees. If i say hello to susan the owner. She is good and nothing happens when i am in there. If i forget i get door. Slamming furniture moved breezes where there are no open windows. Just a few curiosities see interesting. Yeah so i think when she says susan the owner. I'm assuming she doesn't mean the current owner. I'm guessing that's the original owner that she has to say hi to when she's there. Yeah i think we've talked about actually doing. This is like an episode. At some point to yeah. This is a place that we might be able to travel to so We're gonna have to look into that. I haven't done any research into it besides just casual research. Yeah so exciting. Yeah all right so. We're going to skip over the paul's this episode. Nope nope nope. We never do that. Why not doing that. So that's the whole interactive thing all right so our latest episode. We talked about the houdini sand. Says the question was. Has houdini ever been contacted with say ads. Sure don't be scared. You have won several several of the votes lately. My believers are not coming out as as they need to so You know what's going to happen. Okay let's see. I write so yes. Seventeen point four percent. No eighty two point six percents. Oh that is like the biggest win i've ever had. I think it might be even ones that we know aren't real like amityville. Yeah i wasn't as big as this is just insane. Well i think you. And jacob mayfield's convinced people jacob mayfield was more on the believer side. i think he's neutral. He's neutral maintaining. Wow well thank you guys for voting and you know it might not have been exactly fair because we kept the polls open forever. That's true these are open for a longer than they usually are the longest ever. Yeah so it might not have been fair. But i'm gonna take it as a win. That's okay okay. So we're really excited to be doing this episode about mary. Todd lincoln i. We had originally decided to do this episode as one of our sand episodes in october and two followed her up with a conclusion episode on santa's but with all that's been happening We're just going to combine the two together so this is going to be our conclusion. Episode is well that being said though we will focus a lot on mary. Todd lincoln As she's just a fascinating part of our nation's history by the way she never went by mary. Todd lincoln really did. I've never heard her called otherwise when she got married mary lincoln. I mean that makes sense. Was todd her maiden todd was her maiden name how interesting i wonder why history. We've decided call her that. I mean i've heard anything about that. Is that is the truth. Okay we've already mentioned her. A few times in other ghostly episodes like our abraham lincoln episode of course But in this episode. We'll take a more in depth. Look at her history both before. And after abraham lincoln and focus a little bit more on her spiritual side which she probably had the most belief in the paranormal Ish than any other first lady. Yes i mean there's been a few you got you got your nancy. Reagan right rail but Yeah i think. I think really she was the top of that lushes the most famous i would say shore definitely so. Do you ever go story for. Let's kick it off with the ghost story this is. This was a hard one to go story. Yeah well you know. It's it's hard to be happy sounding with you. Know it's not gonna but then again it should it. Go story be happy. I don't know who knows all right here. we go. i am overjoyed. Yesterday i experienced my loved ones again. After so much sorrow it was a relief to know that i am still protected and watched over upon my arrival in boston. I attempted to conceal who i was using a made up name in order to keep the press from knowing and my only living son from complaining about my desire to talk to those. We've lost using my pseudonym. I visited a famous medium and i'm sure he did not know who i was. We sat around a table and he used many elements of the spiritualist to reach out beyond the veil. What happened next will live with me forever. I saw my sweet tad's face. I lost him a few years ago. When i had already lost so many i had seen poor willie before which gave me great comfort but not tad yet. Then as we were speaking to the dead felt him. I felt my age hands on my shoulders. He made his presence known to me because he knows how much i need it but listener that is not the end of my tail so inspired. I was by the feel of my late husband's hands that i went to a famous spirit photographer. I can't wait to see what shows in this revealing medium wile and we're gonna find out what that is later on. I think we should definitely take a break as we have a huge history section. Are we to get ready for that history. So it's going to be big all right all right so i'll be back in a second. Hey guys what. I've learned over the last couple of years is the key to a really good. Podcast is two things getting plenty of apple. podcast reviews and lots of caffeine. You can help us with both of those head over to apple. Podcast writing a review. And if you feel up to it you can even buy a cup of coffee. You can go to buy me a coffee dot com slash ghostly podcast or just go sleep. Podcasts dot com and click on the bias coffee. You can sign up for a membership or a one time donation toss. It would really be appreciated. Hey welcome back to the history section. Or as bob has called it hashtag. Pat facts facts. Facts fact sack. That's my version. I can't say it any other way all right so we're going to start off talking about mary. Todd's early life Mary todd was born in lexington kentucky on december thirteenth eighteen eighteen. She was the fourth child out of seven children born to robert smith. Todd and elizabeth Elisa parker tot both of her great grandfather came from ireland actually and some of our other ancestors came from scotland so she is definitely of that descent Mary todd was actually given the name. Mary ann todd but with seven siblings. They decided to use that name and for one of her sisters. So she dropped the an Mary had the nickname of molly. Not really sure how that got started. Like i don't understand some of these You know. Jack john yes. Molly is nickname for mary again. He had no idea. I i don't i don't get that okay that's fine. That's fine Mary's family was considered fairly wealthy but mary didn't live a life of glamour. Though her life was tough tougher than most people could even imagine. It gave her a more serious demeanor when she was just six years old. Her mother died while giving birth as was common in those days. Her father remarried. He married a woman named elizabeth betsy humphrey and they had an additional nine children. Okay i think. Mary todd's Father really like to have kids. Yeah that is a lotta kids. Sixteen kids advocates. Let's just say that mary Really didn't get along with betsy. Bow with all those children. The todd family needed a big home and in eighteen thirty two. They moved into what is now known as the mary. Todd lincoln house which was probably not known as the mary. Todd lincoln those guessing not It was very very elegant and had fourteen rooms and it was located at five. Seventy eight west main street in lexington. I definitely want to visit that. Yeah that'd be great. Since mary's family was fairly class she attended madame. Mantles finishing school. She learned to speak french fluently and studied dance drama music and social graces as well as literature. I'm sure that is something that impresses you there. She was a very well rounded in highly educated woman. She understood politics as well as any politician of those days and her family was all part of the whig party in october of eighteen thirty nine. Mary moved to springfield illinois to live with her sister. Elizabeth porter edwards. Elizabeth was married to nineteen ninety. And let's do you mean w. edwards. He was a son of a former governor. Mary was courted by several young men. One of which was stephen douglas. Yeah right Who was a lawyer and democratic party politician. But abraham lincoln stood out maybe because he was also a fellow whig Which is kind of funny because they became republicans. Yes oh my goodness the rivalry between douglas and lincoln. It was it was. It was big. Wow so. Mary actually met lincoln in eighteen forty when she was twenty one and he was thirty one. She was definitely smitten with him. I mean after all he was tall and gangly now but he was a very kind man. That's what they all said about him. when abe proposed to mary she accepted even though her family didn't really like him because he was poor and didn't really have much political prospects. I would love to say that everything went perfect after that but it really didn't. They had a different kind of relationship all throughout their relationship. There was definitely loved there but there was definitely This they were just completely different people at times So in eighteen forty one linkin broke off the engagement. Wow i go back. And forth calling him. Abe abraham lincoln and lincoln. So you know your close friends now each time to milazzo so some say that they got got back together shortly after the break But others say that they didn't get back together until eighteen forty two. Whatever the case is they got married very fairly quickly. After getting back together they married on november fourth to both mary and abe were considered abolitionist. Which meant that they. sought the immediate and full emancipation of off slaves. Mary was probably an even bigger believer in this than abe but a became famous for the stance on slavery fairly early on in his senate election against stephen a douglas that a blast abe with his new found fame really pushed himself to be successful to be a successful springfield lawyer during this time. Mary supervised their ever-growing house. They did have four children overall. They had robert todd lincoln. They had Eddie or edward. Baker lincoln william wallace lincoln willie. And thomas lincoln tat. Mary was often left alone for months at a time to raise children. While abe was off being circuit lawyer in eighteen fifty ten months before the birth of willie. Eddie pass away. The official cause of death was to burke yellow sus but therapy people that would say it was more likely a form of some kind of bayreuth cancer that abe and The eldest son robert had several signs of the genetic markers. That interesting obviously This this crushed lincoln family at that point There are not many stories of addie as he was four years old when he died but he always see was seen as like a sweet little boy. Yeah well if four absolutely so we all know that. Abraham lincoln became our sixteenth. So i won't go through the whole election process the times he's one time he lost But to hear more about that you can listen to. Our abraham lincoln episode life as a first lady was not an easy life for any first lady but it seemed even more difficult for mary than it did for most her personality. You know Mary's family being from a border state were where slavery was permitted. Meant that several of her half brothers served in the confederate army and were killed during the civil war. That's always difficult when lake. Your family is split which certainly happened at that time. Upset when your husband is the president and you know kind of leading the charge. That's definitely gotta be divide for you. Definitely you know it. It was difficult because mary really held true to her beliefs. And those of abs know of slavery was not was not right. So i mean they had to do it and i'm sure. She wished that her half brothers wouldn't have been on that side In this is something that we don't really think about when we think about mary. Todd lincoln we think about you. Know abraham lincoln died. We think of her sons dying. We don't think about you know a lot of her out of her half brothers dying. Yeah critics describe. Mary's manners as coarse and pretentious. She had trouble negotiating white house social responsibilities and rivalries She was accused of overspending when it came to refurbishing the white house and buying new china in this caused a lot of turmoil between her and abe even though congress eventually approved most of these expenses he thought it made them look bad because the country was at war with itself and they're buying new china for the white house he was. I believe a bit of a shopaholic. I'm just gonna say. I think that was how she dealt with her grief. That's true she had a lot of grief grief that she went through the more that she spent at. Mary also suffered from very severe headaches. Or what we would call now migraines She also suffered from chronic depression. Her headaches got even worse when she suffered a head injury in a carriage accident during her white house years. Oh never heard that yup. She had a history of mood swings. Fierce temper public outbursts throughout lincoln's presidency as well as excessive spending and it has led some historians and psychologists to argue that. Mary suffered from bipolar disorder. Well that's interesting. Yeah i suppose yeah. We'd have to really see like does she. Was it a wild swing between them or what but she definitely had the Depressive side to it definitely. The manic side was the buying. Yeah so it's possible. I you know it's really hard to diagnose with mental illnesses. After they're gone right. You know so. In february twentieth eighteen sixty two willie passed away of typhoid fever in the white house. Now willie and became ill in early eighteen. Sixty two Possibly with typhoid fever tad was relatively lightly affected but willie gradually weakened in his parents spent much of their time at at his bedside. Mary remained in bed for three weeks and was unable to attend willie's funeral or look after. Tad abraham lincoln took solace in carrying foreign comforting tad. I think tad was his favorite actually know willie was his favorite. Yeah they were people said well. You know the willie was very much like lincoln and had that same sense of humor and all of that. But who knows i mean. Obviously they loved their children. That was just well at least. That's what i got from reading the lincoln and the bardo. Okay yes well. I do know that Both willie and tad were bit of troublemakers. Yes definitely yeah so Yeah you know tad What remained ill after the death of his brother And had to deal with some grieving with that as well so that was really hard on on tad. This was one of the most devastating moments for both the lincoln's they dealt with grief differently and this strained their marriage even more Mary was so distraught for many months. That lincoln had to employ nurse to look after her. So of course we all know that abraham lincoln was assassinated on april fourteenth. Sixty five so. I won't go through all the details of that but some things that we should mention our It was announced the newspaper that the lincolns would be attending the theatre that evening and they enjoyed going to the theater. That was the one thing that they really both. could bond over Mary got a headache and wanted to stay home. But a a didn't want to allow that because it was announced in the newspaper and especially This was you know. Shortly after the civil war had ended it would have looked really bad then clara hamilton harris and her fiance major henry. Rathbone were guest. Lincoln's to the theater that evening now. I don't want to be scandalous. But i read that those two were step siblings of each other. No i'm just putting that out. There is a weird little thing that iran interesting during the third act. The president and missile lincoln drew close together holding hands while enjoying the play. Mary whispered to her husband who was holding her hand. What will miss harris think of my hanging on tv. So the president smiled and replied. She won't think anything about it. That was the last word spoken between the little one. The bullet struck lincoln. Mary was holding his hand. Lincoln was brought across the street to the peterson house and mary in their eldest son. Robert sat with lincoln throughout the night and into the following morning and at one point Secretary of war edmund. M stanton ordered mary from the room as she was so unhinged with grief but shortly before seven am was allowed to return to lincoln side and she again seated herself by the president kissing him and calling him every enduring name and then he passed. I think it was like seven. Twenty two or something I have been in that room have you. Is it a big room now. Yeah that's what. I've heard so after aids death. Mary returned illinois and lived in chicago with her sons. While in the white house. Mary had and not only over spent on things for the white house but also on clothes and jewelry. Most of that had to be returned or sold. She didn't have much money at all. she kinda did but she didn't. She was one of those kind of people that always thought that she was going to be poor In fact what she would do is she had like fifty five thousand dollars that she would so into her dresses all really which by the way after after abe died she only wore black Even though she bought dresses of various colors only were black. Data interesting well and i think she's also one of those ones that like she probably. I know that she got a pension and different things. And we're gonna talk about. Oh okay but the idea that You know she probably had enough to live on but she just like like to spend money on her friend and former dressmaker. Elizabeth chemically published. A book about her time is being a slave Elizabeth was asleep This book provided some insight into the character and life of mary but mary and much of the press of the day saw this as a breach of friendship but today's historians find this as a valuable look into the lives of the lincoln's mary had lobbied for For a pension for first ladies in july fourteenth eighteen seventy it was passed by congress. Barely it provided three thousand dollars a year which is about the equivalent to sixty one thousand dollars a year in today's money. Okay gotcha good. On july fifteenth. Eighteen seventy one tad lincoln passed away. So this is the third of four children asked to a robert One onto live past her and became a pretty successful Attorney yes well so the cause of death has has been They you know they're they say could have been turkey laos's they said i could be pneumonia. Could've been congestive heart failure. They really don't know he was. He was eighteen years old and he had been so sick when he was young to know. Typhoid fever can really you know linger on sure. When abraham lincoln was assassinated. Ted said this is dead. I can hardly believe that. I shall never see him again. I must learn to take care of myself now. Yes pas dad in only tad lincoln now little tad like other little boys. I am not a president son now. I won't have many presents anymore. Well i will try and be a good boy. And we'll hope to go someday. To pa and brother willy and heaven. Oh yeah the death of her son tad in july eighteen seventy one following the death to other sons in her husband brought on an overpowering grief and depression her surviving son robert. Rising young chicago lawyer was alarmed. At his mother's increasingly erratic behavior robert initiated proceedings to have mary institutionalized on may twentieth eighteen seventy five following a trial a jury committed her to a private asylum in batavia illinois named bellevue place after the trial. Mary tried to commit suicide. She went to several different pharmacies and ordered eighteen. Stor made up made with enough Pm to do the job and luckily a pharmacist gave her a placebo. Instead after three months she devised an escape plan. She wrote letters to her lawyer and personal friend and to the chicago sun-times to avoid a bigger scandal. She was released to her sister. Elizabeth again in springfield go. She got herself out so then made me think about some stuff One of the things that we've talked about a lot previous ghostly episodes was the spiritualist movement in the united states. I took place between the eighteen forties in the nineteen twenties and It really popularized things like seances and Other forms of give nation and speaking with the dad so this was definitely something that was becoming popular. I'm sure mary helped make it more popular But another thing that i really started thinking about. Is you know we did. Our dr white. Sanitarium sewed And during that we started talking about how sanitariums became popular in the united states. And that was around this time. It was like ten years after mary was put in a sanitarium interesting Bellevue place where mary todd. Lincoln state was open sometime around eighteen. Sixty seven by dr. richard peterson and it was considered a private rest home but also served as sanitarium for women and So yeah yeah. That's interesting though to think about that issue was again. I love all of our stuff matches up. I guess your gets connections. Yeah when you look at the time frame of these things. It seems pretty obvious that You know if this had happened prior to that it she might you know. Prior to eighteen sixty seven. She probably wouldn't have been put into a sanitarium or today internet's just able to just you know. Oh mary so i. I just wanted to say that. I think that mary has gotten a bad rep in us history. I think she's often been seen as this crazy woman. One in actuality. It's just her. Grief was just too much for any person to deal with on on her own. I mean and you know. Even when abe was alive they didn't grieve the same way She would oftentimes be off in her room and he would be. You know going to The gravesite to mourn and stuff or they just they just grief differently. I think the timing of the spiritualist movement and the started the sanitariums popularity in the us played a major in. How people saw her so. Mary spent the next four years traveling through europe and took up residence in france for a little while but during this time her health really started to decline she suffered from severe cataracts that left her eyesight largely diminished which caused her to fall off and in eighteen seventy nine. She suffered a spinal cord injury from a fall from a step ladder. She successfully petitioned congress for an increase in her in her pension and also got a one time bonus. Yeah yeah she did really well. She was really good with politics and Especially you know. The republican party was Just starting off with abe lincoln so You she made a lot of connections so in the early eighteen eighties. She was forced to return to springfield into live out her final days with her sister. Her health kept her from doing anything else besides just living she needed around the clock. Care july fifteenth eighteen eighty two. Exactly eleven years after tad died to the day she collapsed. She lapsed into a coma and died the next morning of a stroke. At the age of sixty three her funeral service was held at first presbyterian church in springfield illinois. Wow what an interesting story. Yeah we didn't even cover you know so. Many of the political intrigues. And all the things i'm sure she was involved with but just What an amazing woman. I mean was yeah. Tragic very much but Obviously you know was able to to accomplish too. And she was well known in her day to even even after a pastime. Sure i'm sure Constantly in the paper you know probably for not great things but you know she was. She was definitely a A pop figure. Yeah those days interesting all right. So do you have anything to add to the history. I don't think we you man. You did a good job. And i tried to add in a few little things there so i think we're good. Yeah i've passed by The bellevue right. Yes me too. Yeah actually. I will mention this as well. is that So batavia illinois is real close to us and that's where we're that wheelhouse are sorry. The home was But i also in my research found out that there is a hotel or what used to be a hotel in saint charles illinois which is also close to us where abe in. Mary would often visit some of their friends that owned this hotel or the end. They would stay there while visiting. Colonel phoebe bian. Who's our big famous person around here. was was friends with them and they claim the there's one article i read that there were potentially stances that happened in this. How a hotel in saint charles But i really couldn't find a whole lot of details about it so we're not gonna go talk any more about it but i just thought that was such an interesting you know chicago connection and local illinois connection. We're surrounded by lincoln's here. Dr lincoln it is. We're in the lincoln that's why we love it all right so maybe we take a break and then we'll get into the debate. Let's do it all right He listeners did you know there's a way to share with the world whether you're hash hashtag team believer or hashtags team skeptic or for those who needed cash tag team the middle. It's our store called. Ghostly gear yup and we even have custom grossly designs like micro-climate or even the easter island massacre or of the ghostly logo just visit our ghostly gear store right on ghostly podcast dot com to order. Your t-shirt hoodie mug masks whatever. Okay okay well. I think we got it They're they just seem to visit ghostly. Podcast dot com. Click on a ghostly gear to order right on the website. And send us any ideas that you have for newmarch exactly order your merch today. And send us a pick of you and your ghostly gear All right we're back for the debate. Okay you ready for this. I am ready for this well before we start our debate. I i wanted to mention a few things about mary. Todd lincoln and spiritualism. You certainly talked a little bit about it but You know. I wanted to just talk about specifically the time That were referencing. The civil war was really a big moment for spiritualism yes because so many people weren't allowed to be with their family members when they passed absolutely you know they were away and they never even got to. You know even see the body or any of that and so spiritualism became this way of getting that final last word absolute with someone that they lost So i think that was a big piece of it and so it really wasn't unusual. You know that mary. Lincoln sought out mediums. We have proof that she read books on spiritualism you know i mean obviously you just went. Through how many losses she suffered and but also just again that it was. It was not unusual at the time. i mean. at least it wasn't like it was everybody believed i mean. Certainly people ridiculed in washington circles and And all that but you know there is absolutely proved that she had sand says at the white house that lincoln was present for at least some of them and You know whether or not anything happened at those. That's what we're going to debate. But you know it. Wasn't you know if you could imagine that today. I think it would be a more scandalous thing than it was. Then i think more what was scandalous is. Actually people were upset with her. Because they're like. Hey you at least got to be with your son when he passed away in your husband when he passed away. I didn't get to do that so they're probably heard her a lot as well. Yeah you know. And i you had mentioned a a story about One time that lincoln are that abe was was fed up with the whole notion and like tried to disprove it. And we're going to definitely talk about that. Okay yeah good story. It is a good story. So i just wanted to mention a few quotes that i found from mary. Todd on the subject before we get into her her stories here So the first is She said a very slight veil separates us from the loved and lost. She wrote to a friend though unseen by us they are very near okay so that i think that very much captures you know her but she also wrote To a friend in eighteen sixty nine. I am not either a spiritualist but i sincerely believe our loved ones who have gone only gone before are permitted to watch over those who were dear to them in life. I should have lost my reason. Long air this if i had entertained other views than i do on the subject so she did not ever say that she was a spiritualist. Yeah wasn't like that was her religion or anything But she again. We have proof that she read books written by spiritual as she visited mediums. All the time things. Yeah you know so it so she. She's certainly believed in life after death and being visited by spirits and that is what kept her going. Okay all right so the first thing we're gonna talk about an again just like everything is episode. There's lots to talk about But i wanted to talk about charles. J colchester colchester holds esther. Now there is a lot with him that just something that's aside from. This story is supposedly. He was also acquainted with or close associates with booth. John wilkes booth interest and that supposedly. He tried to warn lincoln that something could happen. Colchester booth no coal. Colchester warren lincoln. Like hey you should be careful because somebody else warned lincoln and he said to that person colchester keeps warning me too so is interesting but that's not the story for today. So one of the. He was one of the biggest mediums that mary saw. He was red-faced. blue-eyed he was an englishman had a large moustache and he claimed to be the son of a duke an illegitimate son of a duke. There was never. I don't know if we ever had any real proof of that. But that's what he claimed. he professed to have remarkable powers. He could read sealed letters. Cry out the names of visitors. Deceased friends 'cause apparitions to appear and produce words on his forearm in blood red letters. Oh you know what i am. Realizing nowadays is that there's not enough politicians or mediums. That have facial hair anymore. I think we need to bring that back interesting. yeah Lincoln was particularly intrigued with colchester erie ability to summon noises in different parts of room. So this is kind of what you were saying so. Mary just kept talking about this guy like he's amazing he's amazing. So lincoln finally went to one of the cross. Well i don't know. But i didn't know anything about that but But so the president went to one and so he was intrigued by that so like any rational person. The president wanted to understand what was happening so he asked colchester to submit to an examination. By joseph henry the secretary of the smithsonian institute interesting so colchester agreed Henry was not able to figure it out like he couldn't he was like i know there's something but he couldn't figure it out however by chance i believe it was. Henry met up with a guy. At a train years later who had sold to colchester the contraption that he used which was a noisemaker strapped under his arm like farting paying advert. I don't know what but something called in houdini. Well think this is a little bit before and so then But at the moment. Henry couldn't disprove it. So then henry. Asked noah brooks to examine colchester Also at this moment. Actually mrs lincoln went to brooks Culture was trying to blackmail her. Yeah so we don't think yeah So here's the thing. I just love this long. And to be honest i think this is going to be pretty obvious what we what we're going to rate this evidence but i just like the story. So this is. How noah brooks recco recollect what happened the night that he was testing colchester. Okay after the company had been seated around the table in the usual approved manner and the lights were turned out the silence was broken by the thumping of a drum the twang of a banjo and the ringing of bells all all of which instruments had been laid on the table. Ready for use by some hocus pocus. It was evident. Colchester had freed his hands from the hands of those who sat on each side of him and was making music in the air. Loosening my hands from my neighbors. Who were unbelievers. I rose and grasping in the direction of the drumbeat grabbed a very solid and fleshy hand. In which was held abell that was being thumped on a drumhead. I shouted strega. Light strike you can turn on the lights. So i love that. That's great my friend. After what appeared to be an unconscionable length of time late at a match but meanwhile somebody had dealt me a severe blow with the drum the edge of which cut a slight wound on my forehead when the gas was finally lated. A singular spectacle was presented of the son of of the duke firmly grasped by a man whose forehead was covered with blood while the arrested sign of nobility was glorying at the drum and bells which he still held in his hands. I mean i gotta say that takes a lot of talent. I think you're right. I mean it was definitely a you know. A big big took a lot of practice to get that very very theatrical very theatrical and so then what happened actually. I think the blackmail happened after this not too long after though because brooks then went to him and was like remember me pointed to his forehead. Basically was like you better be outta town by tomorrow or you're going to be in jail and that's how harry potter was born. That was the inspiration so so that is a story of one of her chances. I i don't think there's a lot of debate to happen. But what do you think. That's that's a little bit ridiculous there. I'm going to say that. I think it was fake here thinking to take. I think it was fake. I wasn't wasn't real. It's a feeling that. I just kind of tells me maybe this wasn't on the up and up. Yeah yeah so your rating then. Oh zero zero. Yeah i actually to give this one zero as well. You give something zero. I'm giving it a zero. All the skeptic club. Well i you know this is one where it's pretty clear that the this this guy not not not a not a medium. Not maybe no definitely taken advantage of mary todd connor. He was at connor. Artis all right all right. Let's go with evidence to evidence to so now. There's two pieces of evidence regarding Family called the lorries laurie. So i'm not gonna go superindent in-depth but A little bit about them Shortly after willie died. was introduced to the lorries. A well known group of mediums. That were located in georgetown So she found comfort in the san says by the group then she started whole whole host her own in the red room at the white house. I think that's always like ucla. Lots of articles of the red rooms aons lighthouse So there's evidence to suggest she hosted as many as eight sands is in the white house and that Lincoln was there for at least a few of them They were such an effective coping mechanism for mary that she wants remarked to her half sister that will e lives. He comes to me. Every night stands at the foot of the bed with the same sweet adorable smile that he always has had. He does not always come alone. Little eddie so those on the at four is sometimes with him. So this isn't so much about the actual sanchez. But the the effect of the sand says so after going to a number of these sand says she claimed it brought her piece because she could see willy and sometimes eddie coming to her at night. Okay and that's it. That's exactly what. I was gonna say So in this time period like nowadays. If you know you're going through a lot of grief and you're not able to process that well you will often see a therapist or being a support group. I was thinking about that earlier when we were talking about mary. It's like man. No she'd be therapy. Yeah it's a medication And you know that's the thing they didn't really have those things then and so. I really believe that these sant is were very very helpful for her in processing her grief. Yeah so yeah. I really think this. Like when i think of sand says i think of it from aside not just as the skeptic but as somebody that has gone through a lot of grief in my life my you know. My father died when i was thirteen. My mother died when i was twenty five. Various family members in between that. I've had to process a lot of grief and i didn't get there until much later and i can definitely tell you that. Yeah i do spend radically. Sometimes you know. And i do. And i did do this whole thing where i was trying to contact the dad and stuff like that. I can really relate to a mary. Todd lincoln so i think it was very helpful for her but no. This doesn't speak to any kind of truth. That could possibly be there. When when i hear stories of like santa's where they're like and great grandfather jebediah Told us where to find the box that held the key to the clock that he loved. You know those are things that i find. More compelling evidence. This doesn't have anything that says this was true. I mean was it true that she went to the santa's yes. Was it true that she had these answers. Yes but i think this was like an emotional support group for her. Yeah i think. I'm i'm torn on this one because you know. She says that she sees her willie. And sometimes eddie And that that she you know that this was a result of the sanchezes. But i don't really know if that's true you know i mean. Was that her wishful thinking that she could see them. That's what she needed. The you know i just. I don't know that one's That was. It's a hard one because it the grief i think does really really push that in there but you know i mean we also know the white house has a lot of spirits a lot of energy so i guess i don't know for sure So what would you say for your rating As far as this being a paranormal thing. I'm gonna give it a zero but as far as satisfying a need that she had. I would go all the way to attend for that. Uh-huh definitely did share. I'm i'm going to give it a four four you know. I mean i'm and allow for the possibility that maybe she saw something But i don't know that holly yeah okay. Now we're not done with the lorries though this one to me is a little more compelling all right good good. This one doesn't actually involve mary so much as abe. So nettie colbourne maynard was I know was Either with the lorries or their daughter. I think something like that. She was a part of the the laurie group So she wrote a memoir called. Was abraham lincoln spiritualist published in eighteen ninety one. She claims that it was nettie herself who acted as the medium for this particular sands Not mrs laurie or bell. Who were the traditional ones. churn This is the evening of february fifth. Eighteen sixty three When president lincoln accompanied his wife to one of the lorries popular stances. When lincoln asked the spirit she had channeled about the current situation regarding the war she writes. He received the following reply. That is a very precarious. State of things existed. Sorry that a very precarious state of things existed at the front. Where general hooker had just taken. Command of army was totally demoralized regiment stacking arms refusing to obey orders or to do duty threatening a general retreat. Declaring their purpose was to return to washington. Vivid picture was drawn of the terrible state of affairs greatly to the surprise of present. Save to the chief to whom the words were addressed when the picture had been painted in vivid colors. Mr lincoln quietly remarked. You seem to understand the situation. Can you point out the remedy. The remedies suggested was that he go to the front in person taking with him his wife and children and avoiding the high grade officers seek out the tens of private soldiers and inquire to their grievances and other words. He should show himself to be the father of the people. Now i picked this particular piece but there's also another story of her Giving another or maybe. It was at the same time or at a different time where she also tells him to support the The emancipation proclamation as well Not in such direct words but basically like you need to push forward with this thing that you're scared to do basically so i think this is an intriguing question you know. She claims that she had no knowledge of what was happening on the battlefield that this was speaking above her intellectual ability at the time she was young That she couldn't have known these things But you know is she just giving good advice. Well i mean this was during the civil war so This was already happening. Things were already going down and Everyone knew lincoln's point of view in this regard because that's why the civil war started because of how the south viewed what lincoln was going to do If you think of a war within your own country. It's pretty obvious that there's going to be a lot of people that aren't going to be willing to do the things that they need to do. And so i think that. I mean given what you read. It seems logical to be able to say that if there's a civil war in a country and its brother fighting brother sometimes there's gonna be people refusing to obey orders Her telling him what to do. I don't even know if that is the best advice actually but That is something very much is something that lincoln would wanna do that. That was the kind of person he was so i. I don't think that this is out of the norm to be able to for her. To imagined I don't think it was like you know. Sort of omen. Give me sight beyond sight kind of thing you know. He really think it was more like Yeah we're at war with each other Yeah this is how people are going to feel that data so that is my opinion of it. I don't think that this plays into any kind of paranormal or any kind of I i don't think that this really has anything to do. With the seance or anything like that was far as superpowers or anything. Well i do think You know again. I'm torn on this one. Because i do think that there is something to be said that this was a young girl that she wouldn't have been privy to a lot of this military information And so it is kind of interesting that she would be able to pinpoint things. So so specifically however The spiritualist movement was also a In some ways a very progressive movement And i do think that it was often used to ensure it was used to to make money But it would sometimes also be used to kind of put forward a lot of views. This would be a way that you could influence president. Potentially you know and so who knows if someone had if it was well known that the lincolns visited the lorries. You know what. I mean like i can't. I can't rule out the idea that someone went and talked to her knowing that she might have this opportunity. You know to tell her what she should say could read the paper. I mean she was in the paper that like. I don't think people knew how bad some of that was. I think tried to back then. Papers were a little more key. Didn't always print stuff. So well. I i'm gonna rate this evidence as a one. Okay just because i mean there is a little bit more to this than the rest of the stuff that we've talked about But it's not enough where it would be like some startling detail that she couldn't no yeah in other ways. Yeah i'm going to give it a five okay again. I guess at a little more believable for me but still shaky all right all right right for the last one last one. Okay yes okay. So this was. The story are story for today So when tad died in eighteen seventy one. Mary was again very sad You know in in despair So sometime late that year or early 1872 Mary traveled to moravia new york Where she visited a number of spiritualists During that time she believes she saw tad's face during one of the senses. She then moved on to boston for two weeks day. Where she again went to a medium And by the way during this whole time she did claim to she did travel under a pseudonym lake. She was trying to be incognito people like. she didn't introduce yourself as as mary. Todd lincoln or mary. Lincoln or molly lincoln or whatever so But during this visit in boston there is where she claimed to have seen lincoln's spirit and felt him put his hands on her shoulders This is when some people may have heard of this. After that experience she went. To william memoir. Who's a famous spirit photographer. Where he took the famous picture of her with lincoln standing over her with his hands on her shoulders You know which she had just felt at this other sands sure. Well i cannot speak to what she saw you know or what. She felt Because that's a very personal thing and she might have felt it because of some you know some kind of trickery or something like that. It might have been something like that. The rooms are really dark during stances. And you never know So i i can't really speak to that but i can speak to the picture. That is one thing that i can't speak to so back in those days They would do this double thing that they had and It wasn't easy to prove back in those days. Because i mean the photography equipment wasn't the greatest and people. It would cost a lot of money to have all these things and stuff so there wasn't as much People that could look into that but modern day people have examined this and it is a classic double exposure meaning that there was a picture of lincoln already and then They took an exposure with mary in front of it. Yeah and it all gets developed into that one that one picture and it looks kind of believable for those days. But i mean if you look at it now i mean seriously it's you could you could spot it with your eye so we'll we'll put it in our show notes for sure for people to see I think again. I listened to the most notorious Podcasts and they had a a an author who wrote a whole book on it was yeah. There's definitely a lot of evidence that he was not a a real spare photographer. No but he gave them what they what they needed. At that time. You know she needed to have that kind of proof in to to feel that closeness with her with her husband and I mean so. Like i don't like that. Money was exchanged probably for this in probably a good amount of money. I would imagine But you know i do recognize. That was giving her something that she needed. So that's your rating for that one. I'm going to have to zero. It's pretty much been disproven so okay. I'll say that when i'm gonna give i'm going to give a four just not necessary so much for the picture but for what she saw and felt during the sanchezes. Don't know maybe okay so What is your overall rating for. So this one's hard because we are rolling together stances and mary. Todd lincoln But i have to say that stories that we've chosen Have made it really more difficult for me to be supportive of sans as i have been in the past. I think when you involve so many people and money like this is different than just like a one on one or you know someone that you go to As a friend or or even again just kind of like a A more friendly situation. You know what i mean. When it's a big group of people in the lights are out and there's things happening. I just think it opens it up to so much more trickery absolutely so i'm gonna i'm gonna say a five for overall sale overall stance like do i think that they're i. I have absolutely visited mediums. I know this is something we haven't Talked about because i was a saving it But you know. I did visit a medium Twice and the first time. I saw her I really did get and she did speak to relatives of mine. That had passed. That was very believable to me. You have you felt. I felt that she did But the second time i went back it was interesting. It felt like it was like the end of the day and she was in a rush and it was she was not in the mode and it was all like i could tell that this was her. Just doing the like things that you saying. The things you'd say to somebody in this situation you know and it didn't feel as real and nobody really came through and none of the things that she said it was it was like and then she was trying to sell like some diet food or you know like he was so it was so disappointing. So you know i do. I think that there really are mediums. Out there that are potentially able to speak to those that have passi. Yes but in a sense. I think it's way too easy for there to be trickery while for me i'm going to Go you didn't give you my five. How about you. I'm going to have to go. I i'm gonna say a one on that Just because you know. There has been times. That i've heard things where i i don't know how they could have had the information otherwise but it. I don't know if it necessarily proves that there was Like just because. I don't know how doesn't mean that they didn't get it some other way and in none of the Cases that we've brought up. Have i've found that to be true right. I can always figure out that there's other ways and there's more logical ways than speaking with the dad. I visited some mediums in my days. While because i you know had a a need in a desire to speak with my father and you know it sometimes. I felt comforted by it but i never felt like like this was actually my father that i spoke to or that. You know that person was speaking to. I felt like i felt like i got out of it. What i when. I needed just like mary So yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna go with a one just just because you know there's that little bit of want and desire that i have to believe in this i just i just can't really i. I wouldn't put any money on it. That's for sure. Okay gotcha all right. So are we ready for our closing arguments. Yeah let's do it all right so that brings us to the closing arguments. This is our last chance to convince you to vote our way and we are each given one minute of uninterrupted time. We will time each other on our cell phones to keep each other honest and rebecca. Are you ready. And i have one minute on the clock and it starts now all right so i do think that seances Can be real. I do think that a group of people can reach out and talk to spirits I do think that there are mediums out there that are closer to the other side of the vale than others. However i think we always need to be very cautious anytime. We're in that kind of situation. Especially a big showy seance. With a lot of people. I think most often those are not real. They are being done to make money to be a show. That can be fun as long as you know that. That's what you're getting into But i don't want to take away from. I do think there really are people that can have moments where they speak to those we've lost and that that can bring us comfort Or even information that we wouldn't have known otherwise But i don't think that it's always that way right. I made it you did. Are you ready. I am ready. Yes and go so I've been very nice about how i feel about is but there's there's other side to it that i have a great deal of anger for because when i find happens a lot of times as people are taking advantage of people I i've seen people that spend every dollar that they have on psychics and on mediums and on general seances And these people that are doing these readings know that they know that they do not have enough money and this is what they do to survive is to con- these people into believing it's a mixture of cold reading and A mixture of just guessing and When you're wrong it's you know it's always about something else. I really think that It it is a it is a tragedy what they do all right. You just made it. I'll let you have that one. I will be sure to go out and vote to vote on this on this. You yemi scared. Oh no voting that stuff that's done. The remem- goes li-listeners. We know voting. We do it all the time. Definitely guest dot com and you can vote your own and we really want to hear your opinion on this definitely so i wanna thank everyone so much for listening. Please share us with your friends and family. As word of mouth is our best form of advertisement We will be talking about the curse on the kennedys on the next episode. That comes out november twenty fifth. We just can't get enough of this presidential history stuff. No i love it. I mean and definitely you know this was brought to us by a listener and man. It's such a good idea. Because there's so much that went on in kennedy's family And i did promise an update on what's going on here and So if you're if you're listener and you don't wanna if you're you're this is a year from now the we'll be no more episode. This is just going to be an update on what's been going on with us and why we've missed the last few episodes so absolutely free to turn it off. If you're not interested at this point. Okay we'll see you later. So i wanted to apologize for our lack of episodes lately and i know the everyone's going to say that there's no need to apologize but i feel like i do We were all set to do weekly episodes in october Life kind of has a way of derailing even your best intentions right So i had a huge health scare. I had some blood work done and my doctor quickly called me and told me to go to the hospital. It seems my kidneys had failed mean and this is something that totally came out of nowhere. it was something that happened within weeks. Right it's not like you've been suffering for years or anything. This was just out of nowhere. It was just out of nowhere. Yeah and When all the tests came back they diagnosed me with a very rare disease. It's called good pastures disease Which is a horrible name for what i got. It should be like nightmare swamp. Yes nightmare swap. I think is what i decided. Yeah or maybe they name it after me because it's so rare. Basically the antibodies in my plasma have been attacking and destroying my kidneys. And nobody knows how. Or why. I got this It's just one of those things and it's made it really hard to do. The research needed to push out these episodes. Because i'm often tired lack of energy. I don't feel necessarily bad. I just feel tired rights. Which you know i just wanna say You know that you're getting treatment. We don't know what the path forward will exactly look like so we don't wanna make you know whatever you know. We'll we'll keep you updated as we go But i think the number one takeaway is to go to your doctor. Yes i think that's why you know for us. It's important to bring this to listeners. No matter when you're listening to this You know you felt tired. People feel tired. I felt tired. I was retaining a little bit of water hindsight now probably a lot of water. Yeah right And you know was a little nauseous. Sometimes i mean besides that. I was carrying on with my regular days. Everything was fine but you decided you know what i feel off enough that i'm going to go see my doctor and your doctor was smart enough to say you know what let's do physical because we don't know what this we don't know what's going on. I actually argued with them about that. I just need something for the water retention. Hey right and But he insisted on doing blood work with you. And that's how this all started. And i think it's something that we should all listen to you and i it's hard right now to with With kofi is is you. Know you with the rona. You know you're thinking. I don't wanna go to the doctor. I don't want to go to the hospital. But you know honestly. I think you're experienced seem to be pretty safe. Lots of mass. Lots of cleaning lot. You got tested. A lot of times and You know it was a safe experience and it. It saved your life definitely it. Did i mean seriously when you look at people that get undiagnosed with this It's pretty much a death sentence. You know but i do want to thank everyone that that has reached out to us. And all of those that have you know kept us in your thoughts and prayers and we're very fortunate to have such an amazing listener base and I really feel that. You're all our friends as well. And i really appreciate that and i can't tell you how much that that has helped me through this. Yeah ghostly is a great group. Yeah definitely at a great motivator. Yeah i think for both of us. And i couldn't wait to get back to doing this. We talked often about when we were going to report this episode and even in the hospital. I was doing research. I just wasn't tallying it up. I just wasn't writing a script out from right right. So i had ideas the whole time and that was kind of frustrating because i kept changing my ideas of how i wanted to do this so but that's that's it and hopefully we're back to a regular pattern of every two weeks now. We hope you know just you know. We'll we'll keep your keep the be if you're not on social media and make sure you are. Yeah it'll be posts on there. I prefer to do it on ghostly society more because it's more of a discussion than short So if you're not a part of ghostly society you know now's the time we have three hundred and sixty people in there right now. Which is doesn't seem like much but it is a great group. They're really is and you know we've all got to know each other and i really appreciate that until next. Time stay ghostly.

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"The shape I'm disturbed an incredible. I think we're getting into a weird area. You can't handle the truth through these fifty one. The truth is out fine detail coming for you. Look that has one of them now. Welcome in Stereo nation to the PODCAST. That was never a spy. For Soviet Russia we did enjoy the Americans. This is this area fifty one yet actually agree here would never spy for meat sex. But I'm pretty sure this meat sack was a spy. I am actually from Russia. Was born. There grew up what is a comedian out there. What surprises me American? People don't know we have comedy in Russia. We have comedians. They're they're they're they`re. It's very hard to do comedy. In Soviet Union. He bought you. Shut Your Pie Hole Right. Now don't Besmirch Yakov smirnoff's named that man is a treasure treasure. He defected US right. That's right well. He does make a decent vodka. I don't I I. I'm moving on still spy broadcasting from the lower fourth dimension otherwise known as Chicago. I'm your host. John go forth and sitting across from me thirty miles or so away. Is the beef stroganoff to my Stola. Shmaya Vodka my co host. Mr Brandt hand makes sense. Mr Goforth. One is satisfying and fulfilling the other second tier and makes you feel bad in the morning. Like ones of women have felt it. Your Best I see what you did there. You go that direction or you know was a dish that everyone did their absolute best to avoid in school and the other was what ladies were chasing on a nightly basis. That's more of what I was going for. Who are you kidding? You both were sitting in your dorm room waiting on the Ra to bring you beers and free. Mcdonald's that is literally the truth. I can't I can't argue with him. That other voice you're hearing is the third host of this show and the only one still sitting around waiting for people to buy him beer and bring him McDonald's. He is the one the only conspiracy about the nuggets helped me attract neighborhood pushing CEBADA cats. Jeez calm down. Not even the first time I've made that crappy joke. We need some new writers around here. I built see about in my lab health right. And he's right show well. He does shit like that that you just heard also see about. How do you know what we really didn't? College ha ha. She's Muffins Egg mcmuffin. Mcdonald's your dorm Stevenson arms late nineties Carbondale Car. Bundle a woman's that other odd voice. You're hearing who seems to know way too much about our actual college years is conspiracy bots robot creation slash. Minion Kyle. Now Kyle. How do you know most of that? We've been watching for a long time so we might need to throw him in the smelter and try again just clean. Start over not the worst idea. Yeah I don't I don't think any of your reworking has worked yet but Brent French before we do that we have a return to normalcy here in the lower fourth. We have guests. Yeah unfortunately or fortunately they are far away so this is going to be a skype interview. So you know you get all the nice clicks and POPs and white noise skype. We are observing social distancing Brent. Yeah that's awesome but returning to his proper forum which is in the fetal position crying. Kevin Kevin you. This is the part where you talk now. Hey got first off. How did you know I was in the fetal position? Be Educated guess educated. That's fair I mean I'm just looking over here at my mountain Prozac in it is dwindling. I'm told that you cannot stockpile this medication. Even during a pandemic now Kevin if you read the instructions on the PROZAC. It does say take orally it doesn't say take orally take radically and snort in between you know. John You do. You tried all. Yeah thank you. Brent. I'll take the dish of Brent. I bet you will in so many ways but before before we go on with this nonsensical banter. We do have one other guests. Yeah we have a returner to the lower fourth dimension and you've heard about here before and his name is jt. Brown and he actually sent me a request. He said Brent. I hear people on your show. They come back all the time. They got bumpers. I want my own bumper and I said. Jt there's only like your second time on the show. He said by God. I WANNA bumper so jt without further. Do you get your own bumper. Jt Brown that is everything. I hoped for and more see about help me with that and I think it's perfectly that's actually reminiscent of see bots. First Attempt at the opening of the show threw me off. I had some like your snazzy thing I was going to say but I'm just I'm floored by the. The beauty of that bumper addressed the elephant in the room Correct me if I'm wrong Those of you who are into hysteria. Fifty one cannon. I don't believe JT. And I have been on the same episode together though we have not. Oh we danced around each other. Like junior hires waiting to grope But we have not groped. Oh wait so you're I'm sorry. Let me clear that up for you. You thought that I thought about you before just this last moment. No that's wrong. However we did have someone in hysteria nation mentioned would. Jt was filling in on a a show or two here there were. I couldn't join A. They wondered if we're actually the same person just voice modulated and Here's proof that we are not Ruth Roo yeah. I don't know that seems where we're compared and said. Have you seen these two people at the same time? I mean they do it with the guy for my. Cpa and Guy Fieri all the time inc. Throwing some smashmouth in there and we're ready. We're good to go and speaking of the perfect time to talk about. I think you're just GonNa say this John. Icp or is that where you're going with that? Well I was GONNA say speaking of us in college there was. There was a time where I went through a spiky orange. Hair No no but I went through spiky. Orange Hairs chinstrap phase. Everyone I'm ready in college in the late nineties. Everyone had a chinstrap beard. Yeah Young Juggler. But you know less calories. A drinking diet Viggo other juggle owes canceled their gathering the Juggle Os this year. And they've been in the news. They just donated hundreds of their T. shirts that they have for merged so they could be made into masks for Michigan area hospitals. Need would you wear one of those Mass John Right? Oh Mike I answered brand new. Your answer. I'd rather has nine thousand nine hundred so Brent. You're saying you're saying that they were they were responsible. They cancelled a social gathering and did not in fact in instruct everyone to go out and themselves with Lysol no they they told people to inject themselves with Fago. Okay well I think that's fair. I think that's responsible. Jemima straight up to the CEO. Tell that bitch to bring home affairs go. Lyrics are so so where I was going with. That is Brent. You actually created a mean run around when we first started the show. And there's there's because there's mean floating around comparing the guy from ICP comparing Guy Fieri and comparing the guy for smashmouth. You then injected a picture of me circa two thousand one their way better than the dude from smashmouth ever has. I was going to give you credit. U You know you kind of the og on that one. Yeah how are your brothers? Do you guys still get together holiday to we're socially distancing. I'll I'll tell you what though make smashmouth while you will take smashmouth money. You know what we went and saw smash mouth when they played it like the Peoria Fair when. No one had ever Peoria County Fair or all-star Ya. When their songs were no one remembers and measure? Those guys though are still probably going full scrooge mcduck and just like swimming through the money. Though aren't they I mean just based on how big they were at that time? You know what you get a song like that and they play that in record in that specific track in commercials and stuff. I bet they make those restores off of that set for life. There's some really good gender trimmers to bring this back. I don't know if you guys heard this but if you want to kill virus if it's in your body you might as well be walking on the sun very nice. That would do that. Got Me out of the fetal position. Now get your game on. Go Play Omega Kevin. How are you dealing with With the current pandemic given your General problem with the world. Well it's something in the world that I cannot see. That's apparently on everything that I touch. And if I have and I may symptomatic and I accidentally breathe on something. They get sick. That's a whole problem. Because who do they know doing fine? I could tell but on the flip side is kind of the social distancing. The thing that you've been craving most of your life well craving is one way to put it. I think I've just kind of got used to it. You Know I. I do spend a lot of time alone but I will say You know on on the weekends Which we are recording this on a weekend I lied to go take walks with my mask on and listen to music and when you say your mask you don't mean a medical type mask or anything. William Shatner William Shatner masks had for years that all joking aside. I follow Tom Savini on instagram and he gave me a great idea because in Illinois Vini Thompson for everyone. Who doesn't know Tom? Savini is a makeup man creature created a fantastic effects man and he's also sex machine in from dust don and he's been a lot of things like that a sex machine anyway but he's also like seventy years old at in better shape than most twenty year olds it's crazy but anyway He was like hey. One of my students made perfect mask and they took a Jason Hockey mask cut. The is out so it just goes over the fate of the mouth. Part and then Glued some cloth in there. And it's perfect and I went on Amazon and they were nine dollars so I bought one and I making one this weekend. It's going to be my Cova. Nineteen mask for social distancing. Damn I think at the hospital if I wore that They would frown upon that at work. I'm thinking yeah just like masturbating on an airplane thrown. Should Ted talk about your experience to take over but be interested to hear if you have anything working in the hospital? Sia I mean a day so yeah it's So I'm a medical social worker in my day job and It is a very tense place to work right now. but we also feel really really well supported by everyone in our community. Kinda throughout there are cases in a hospital in her. Icu on Rehab Social Worker. So I don't see as much of that 'cause I'm working predominantly with people with brain injuries spinal cord injuries and strokes but It's possible if people really debilitated from the illness they make our way as well. We're ready for it. You know we're all we're all trying to just play our parts. Sometimes I do feel a little bit like a soldier in world war one in the trenches waiting for my dose of mustard gas as I see other CO workers. Sometimes getting sick you know and being out with but But we're not and we're doing everything we can not to be confused with the other type of gas that you are generally waiting for laughing. Gas I. It's a problem I understand and you need to. You need to work on. It was the nitrous oxide. I think that we could all like walk in the door. They hand us our mask and they should also just give us just a little nip and then Eighteen is a little giggle. Gas Increases Pleasure at work by seventy five percent. So you know where giggle. Gas doesn't increase your satisfaction spying for the Russians. Fucking transition there. I mean let's just give up on segues It's time to set the stage. John Yeah Yep all right so tonight kids. We're talking. About Nuclear Age spies we were talking about atomic spies specifically Russian spies who were trying to infiltrate and did infiltrate our efforts to build the world's waivers Adam behind timeout. You're telling me that's that Russians Dabble in American affairs. I I know this is surprising. Shocking especially given the state of the world today where that that kind of thing never happens. But yes back seventy years ago They were interested in funny that literally. It's been going on that long and yet people are still like gasp. What that person or or people are still saying. Oh well of course. They didn't do it and they're just believing that well even though this something that goes on all the time. Russian is just a ruse for the REPTILIAN overlords. So I I get that. There's that's where the backwards are comes from other the scapegoats. That's yeah they're backwards are is pronounced. Khanin again all right John Aright. Let's set the stage so the years leading up to World War. Two scientists had been speculating about the potential for a new type of weapon. Speculate we could make a new weapon. Thank you that's an actual that's actual indubitably. Let's make our pipes and science and clean our Monica. This one would be however one that harnesses the power of the atom. The discovery of the technology started in earnest in Nineteen thirty two when the atom was split the first time by British scientists John Croft and e t s Walton now. I'm glad that that's a John. Croft and not. Ats Walton Molten. Because that would have been very very soon. Yeah as Walton part of the Waltons on television. Yes John Boy Unite. Es Yes he was the one that made all the weapons in the shutouts outback. He didn't stay in the big bed. He had a small bed of nails. That he's leading. This is a big win though John because this actually proved Einstein's theory of relativity. Well and one thing that's worth noting Brent. We talk about this. Being the discovery of splitting the atom the creation of the nuclear bomb it's et Cetera et Cetera. We're talking about in modern times. We all know that hundreds of thousands of years ago the advance societies that lived before us over in Egypt and such nuked each other to death. And so it's not the first time human flashes right exactly exactly as you said it did prove Einsteinian theory of relativity then in December of nineteen thirty eight to two German dudes. Brent wants to go and take these names yeah there Lisa Meitner and that one another one hundred seven auto frisch. He's kind of famous. Everyone's probably heard of that. Or if you remember back to your your high school days cracking open the books. Yeah they They discovered nuclear fission and And that really paved the way for the bomb now. Let's not get too SCIENC- here but here's an Basic explanation of the process. And I'm glad you said that because there are not a week goes by that. I don't get an email saying you guys just get to Scienc- on that show too scientific too many facts There's too much truth. There's too much real in your show. all right so according to wikipedia. If a relatively large tomek nucleus is hit by a slow moving neutron it will sometimes become unstable and break into two when it breaks apart or visions. That's the word vision. It releases energy mostly gamma rays and heat gamma rays gamma. Rays aren't dangerous. Mr Banner Right Also causes some neutrons to be released from the nucleus if those neutrons then hit other atoms they will make those other atoms split. This can happen again and again and again and again it's called a nuclear chain reaction found that Over the years. It's best to do it in your mom's she shed out back if you're out and you just accidentally put it in the trunk of your car and when you get pulled over they say what's in your trunk you go It's a nuclear reactor. I Apologize Well on your way now and And this can This can release huge amounts of power. Now if it's done very slowly we call that nuclear energy. They didn't use that in that. That power that energy to heat water which creates steam which create spins the turbine and there's nuclear energy fish correct. That's correct in Springfield. Yeah yeah now think about that. Though that every time you know John Brings up a good point. There is when we do it under control is when we get the energy when it runs out of control. That's when you have your meltdowns and Shit and you can have. That's how you can make weapons. That's doodle skew. It fast enough and you create a nuke. Yeah Hey can I ask the question now? Okay I go ahead and so my ignorance on the subject. I'm curious when we first start isolating atoms In trying to slip. I believe you said they were. I slid in nineteen thirty two. Yeah that's correct. That's I'm glad you're listening. Thank you so where where? We splitting these atoms decides. She shed well. These were done. They were doing these. In in Particle accelerators particle. Accelerator could make dirty well and that was that was actually part of the whole research. They were doing they. Were trying to figure out ways to create these reactions without a particle seller. That's came up with. I believe what Cola the neutron gun or is that what they're called? Which is what they the kid used in the boy scouts. Or it's slinging out shit left and right anyway. I don't know the sciences beyond it's called. It's actually it's called radar. Love New Your Bull. Thank you for the Golden hearing reference. I like that. So many of these German dudes they discover it and And it gets out to the world and the world starts thinking about making bombs and In August of that year Albert Einstein writes a letter to FDR warning about the possibility of big bad weapons as a result of nuclear vision this lead FDR to create the uranium committee. The committee was subsequently renamed in absorbed a few times but by nineteen forty. Two it became the Manhattan project the research and Development Project during World War Two that produced the first nuclear weapons it was led by the US with the support of the United Kingdom and Canada. That's named after Manhattan Illinois Correct Manhattan. Wyoming. Oh Okay. Yes that one is using my second guess now. Obviously that's a really brief incomplete history of all this. I mean there are entire projects like the British to valoise program secret government agreements like the Quebec Agreement. And so much more that took place. But we'd wanted to set stage just enough to do. Tonight's it's not. It wasn't something that sprang up overnight and it was very government allies which means that began a program which began a program and people thought about it and but the point of it was once they saw that there was a weapon that could be made. It was off to the races so to speak and there for good or bad reasons but we were. GonNa go out after it so that leads up to the project and by the way I mentioned earlier I mentioned that Einstein wrote a letter to Fdr you can actually go online and read the actual letter that That Einstein Yeah Ye yeah it's It's actually pretty cool. I think they're called the Einstein What was that guy's name that he worked with Zillur or Sillard or whatever? His name was Another physicist The Einstein's Dillard Sillard Letter and it's tough. Dr Just basically saying bad shit can happen now that we split the atom. Yeah which is sad. At the time he was only one of the people in the world that had seen that coming because he was one of the people that understood what that meant and then when the world all learn to listen to patent lurks. That's true that's true. My take away so lead up to the product though and is important time in the World War One is over but World War. Two bus out and we being the. Us eventually joined the party meeting. We relate like they'd as Eddy. Izard said we were watching old calvary movies and we came in at the last second. Let the let the let you know because World War and we're allies along with UK. France Canada the Soviet Union and others and one of these things is not like the other point. Now yes so. There's a big there. We're more friends with the Soviet Union. In the way that you know you keep the enemy of my enemy is my friend versus the Turkey. Jd relationship that we had going on with with candidate in the UK Tan this. I'm no superman. They finish each other's sandwiches and things like that. So yeah thanks and yeah so. We had a tense relationship with the Soviets but it led us down a path of developing weapons secretly ed the eventual outcome of this which is relevant today story is the US UK. Canadian project the Manhattan Project which. I'm sure you've all heard of even if you don't know what it is. You know that term and to give us the briefest definition It was a multibillion dollar project that from nineteen forty two to nineteen forty-six employed more than one hundred thirty thousand people and also. This is a big one that blows me away. It created a few towns right. It did Oak Ridge. Tennessee was literally built to be part of the project. They call themselves the Oak Ridge. Boys and once the So once the war was over then they went under a singing career. Can you give us a little bit more of that? Kevon MA ON FIRE L. But Yeah do that Bob Papa Moon Mile Ball Ball Bucko Vakele off. Starbuck's sorry I was brought on today because of my of the Oakridge Flex exactly it didn't stop stumping for it. We're something for him based on the Oak Ridge Boys Knowledge and JT. Here's where here's your knowledge? Base comes in. Go ahead Brent. Well there's also the Hanford site in Washington The world's first artificial nuclear reactor and so we thought JD JT. We thought you'd sink Hanson for us must do a thank you. Thank you also. Don't forget the Chicago pile. One is just an old nickname for Chicago at the University of Chicago. And of course no one can forget. Because it's been Bob Lizard and so many stories Los Alamos. Yeah yeah bring you mentioned the Chicago Pile One. That was That was actually the world's first particle accelerator right here in the lower fourth. Now we have Fermilab in Batavia Illinois. And if you ever around here go look at the billing itself. It's an awesome looking building. That's really cool. The New Millennia. Yes that's exactly what it's like Kevin did you take your pill. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on but listen to this and this is this. Is well a horrible little part of this. The Manhattan project is literally like we said what started Los Alamos. The government rolled into the area imminent domain. Everyone's ass out of there built a small city. Doing my I'm doing my. I'm doing my part your mom. Yeah you're part is to get the fuck Outta here. Sorry I know this is your homestead but we making bombs. Now there was actually. There was literally in Los Alamos is There was literally cattle school relearn to be like a ranch hand. And they're like yeah. Get the fuck out cattle school. You need to move by nine o'clock. Is that like rock wiggham. When he said he wants to go to Bovine University University so scientists and engineers from all over the world were assigned to the project and their families came with them. How to Los Alamos? I mean But all information about the town and the project was held secretively away from public awareness The keep in mind. This is not far from Santa Fe New Mexico. It was it was referred to as a codename site why by military personnel and his and was also known as the hill by A bunch of the folks in Santa Fe all male every piece of mail. That was sent you any one of the thousands of thousands of people that live there went to the same mailing address. Po Box sixteen sixty three Santa Fe New Mexico. Another important thing about that. Is You said families were brought in wives children. Everything you live there. A lot of them didn't know why their husbands were working on something but they weren't supposed to talk about why and that's really crazy thing at least Certainly part of the military and their families just thought this is another military thing released by INTAS. civilian contractors. They needed a lot of mathematicians. There's women that worked on this to you. Know they're they call them calculators that's where the term you know and they calculated you know all these These advanced physics and things like that because they needed to work out. Exactly how much of the be nuclear materials? They needed how fast they could refine it. How big the yield would be and it was just crazy science that they had to do all over the place Brennan. I'm glad you brought that up because I mean that actually brings up the scale of this project. When most people think of the Manhattan project they think of Los Alamos they think of the city is created. Because that's where you know. Not Far from. There is where the first test was done. The Trinity Test But As we mentioned Oh Okay Ridge Tennessee. up in Washington the recites in in The UK and Canada as well and all of these sites were focused on different aspects of the problem and the biggest part of the problem honestly wasn't the science behind it. I was reading somewhere. Something like eighty or ninety percent of the resources that went into the Manhattan project were not to the science and the development of the weapon itself it was into the obtainment and refinement of the fuel. The problem is they didn't think they could do. Refine it fast enough to get a viable women in make enough exactly. Yeah so johnny interesting though you you say how big this is massive. It is and how faster moving and we're talking about the Soviets in their involvement. They weren't exactly moving same clip that we were no no It wasn't the fault of the Soviet scientists they were actually ahead of the curve The significance of of Soviet scientific contributions has been. Well I guess downplayed not understood outside of people that are actually in the field physics Theoretically they understood everything we did in more and and how the atom could provide extremely powerful in in novel releases of energy for like we said for power and for weapons And could of course be used for military purposes but according to a United States Congressional joint committee although the scientists could conceivably have been I to generate a manmade vision reaction they lacked the visit quote ambition funding Engineering Capability Leadership and ultimately the capability to do so well just in the throes of losing twenty three million of them. So yeah no I just. I know from what I understand. They had to work in an outhouse and all they had was a pro tractor. So I think that's really why that put him approach a protector. Andy Broom handle that. That is true. That was really the clincher. The broom handle they. Just use it as a seat though so it mid and really don't clench but think about this undertaking would be. This unimagined scale was so huge. It was you know bigger and a Walmart that actually what we're saying we're getting out of here is just the undertaking of this is something that brought the nation together in think about life at the time companies were shutting down. Look at right now. Companies are shutting down and making hand sanitizer instead of booze. They're making mass instead of clothing. That's something bad time. They're doing but instead they were making planes and weapons and bombs and things like that and that's and that's true of how we came together in in Russia who is very different. They they deemed that it was. It was too costly. The resources required. We're just too much in that. They they weren't going to pursue it through traditional methods pursue it just yet through traditional methods question mark and we mentioned before that even for us materials was were the main problem and in Russia. There weren't uranium ore mines. John. Then what do you do though? If you don't have the capability the money or the resources or the research. How do you conquer that? I'm assuming we'd they asked nicely. And we all shared you know in this this Utopian type of grand gesture. Here's the bomb Kevin. Is that what happened? Hope so they were. They were ally right. I mean after all live together. And that's like practically you know dancing through the field hand in hand now. Jt we covered. The enemy of the enemy is my friend versus scrubs much earlier please keep up your fucking spy. That's what you do you spy. That's right spycraft espionage and really arming for the position. They were in in the world like I said they don't have food. They don't have people that they've lost almost a whole generation. That's many millions died there. It was pretty smart on their in. Really Oh yeah I mean we see we think about when you dress a problem. There are numerous ways to solve a problem. Numerous ways to skin the cat And and they they literally Well it's not to say that we'll get to this later. Let's say they couldn't eventually have developed the science and technology on their own but they call it an arms race for a reason and it's because it's a race so they they need to do it quickly and and espionage allowed them to Cut A lot of corners. Yeah so when we get back the Cold War starts were still in World War. Two A spy network FORMS RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES. O O N we unleash the most powerful weapon in the history of mankind off eggs. If I could blush I would next on his area. Fifty one hour a weapon. When I was twelve years old I saw something in the sky. I couldn't explain and I've been searching for answers ever since and I'm inviting you on that search with me every week on the somewhere in the skies podcast with special guest interviews case history and audio. Docs we ask the tough questions when it comes to. Ufo's the paranormal. And the unexplained new episodes drop every Monday through the E. One podcast network available. Wherever you get your podcasts. And at somewhere in the Scottish dot com and we are back and before we dive back in. Kevin tells a little bit about how you spent your Your break John. I thought a lot about using my computer recording on that and I thought what if I tried it on my headphones on my phone so I got out of this. Got Onto another headphones. Listen to you guys You said talk more than I talk some more. We were testing. You guys said that sounds like shit you know. Don't come back and then I forced myself back into the call on accent in all. Appreciate it if you don't block me Kevin. What do you have against your computer? That's the big question. I was more referencing. The fact that you said that you shit your pants that part. Yeah Yeah I think the interesting part. I did that at Hollywood video as an adult i. It's a true story. Kevin's heard it. While while shopping. I trusted if art and it just filled the growers. Who have that story at Honeywood. I'd just throw it away. Throw it away. Hollywood video bathroom and rent my rent. My Movie Breezy Brent. When you say the most people have that story in Hollywood video it was the the homeless man that was standing behind them. The did not actually themselves. A lot of people filled their pants at Hollywood video but it was in the different section of the store so speaking of filling your pants. I've got a question. How do you vote the most powerful weapon and recorded human history when he can't even feed your people it's not where the pants full of shit might have been worse than the first segue? That is US getting back on track and not talking about shitting ourselves. Saying I'm just saying the SEGWAY was saying that's all. I'm just saying he was perfect. And your goddamn idiot but you know. I was directed at you chop through a General Malays Malays of idiocy upon view of snakes. So we were talking about the rockies skis before which is a a wonderful term and we said They weren't exactly flashed with resources. So they needed to get inventive. So they built a spy network to infiltrate the Manhattan project and they did a very good job at this. And it's believed that the Soviet Union achieved these huge leaps in building nuke from the Info. It gained from the spy program. Now there is some conjecture that but I find that to be a hard to believe because they got a lot of Info and they learned of the. Us's ambitions in the early forties and began building said network and most of these spies were able to be recruited and turn to as they were card carrying members of something that was big at the time. The Communist Party here in America robots not that kind of party buddy. Not that kind of did he go to another Suarez. I don't know maybe he knows what he's talking about the comrades all share from the same punchbowl. It's very important. Yes Amen so probably though. This is a name that you're going to. You're going to hear the most influential atomic spy was Klaus Fuchs and why we still was just a physics student of the time in Germany. He joined the Communist Party. Though I will say he didn't take the whole Nazi party thing robots. I'll give them that one again. Now again buddy not that kind of party anyway. Fuchs left Germany for Greener less Nazi pastures. I'd say in in the UK but he didn't lose that love for communism he eventually went on to become one of the lead scientists working on the tube alloys project. I and I mentioned that before. It was the British Atomic Bomb Project. And this is also where he started. The Started his espionage. He was Passing information to the Soviet military intelligence. His actually his handler at the time. Not Kidding with her name was her her. Pseudonym was Sonja owes. Isn't it very nice red? Sonja Kamal feels okay. So what's the what's the best thing that you can do with a spy? Kill them no promote them one or the other either unfortunately see about you. Hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what happened. Of course they didn't know he was a spy but when the Americans came in the UK signed the Quebec Agreement. I mentioned before the two ballets program was absorbed by the Manhattan project and hair. Fuchs was whisked away to the US. Which is I wanted to throw out the only time a German Nazi slash comedy. Such whatever you WANNA call them. Scientists was ever brought to the US during or after that war period in story. Of course this time. It was this time. We actually wanted him. He went to a little place called Los Alamos which he was. The only German scientist ever be brought there. Also I just want to throw that out like this promotion like they're interviewing him and they're like Oh man. This guy checks in early stays late. He's a real hard worker. Axa GO-GETTER I think this guy's got a real future. I mean and look at the copious notes. He takes he does. Wow He's got diagrams in his socks. Is he recording all of this? I mean that's ambition. I mean we this is the forties and we only have real to real. I mean that's real ambition. I didn't know they had film that small. So he he his expertise that he was utilizing the Los Alamos Was the problem of implosion that is needed for the development of the bomb. It said that he had access to virtually every detail the Russians needed for development of their own program. It's all Fuchs was also important. Because he was one of the few spies that could actually interpret and understand the information he was stealing versus. Just stealing it It made him an invaluable resource but Fuchs was not the only spy running around. No there were tons technically a metric ton. I weighed the bodies. I argued and start. Second you didn't you didn't and third. You weren't there well. You're no fun also untrue. Anyway probably the time. Branch to talk about the most infamous spies of the atomic lot. Julius and Ethel rose kind of a good way to put them as infamous. Because no matter how you put it. Julius was a fucking P. O. S. Apple. We'll get into it. You know was she was. She set up was she. Just a unfortunate case. We'll get into a bit. Yeah years later. Fuchs was testifying and he gave up. This dude named David Greenglass now. Green glass in his own testimony says he was recruited by his brother-in-law that said Julius Rosenberg so entered the the Rosenbergs who you're talking about track spy. Okay till you get a spike and you get a spike and you get a cheese muffins. Exactly sure catcher anyway. So the Rosenbergs didn't work at Los Alamos or any of the these highly guarded areas however Julius did pass along Info from his own work in both The army and at Emerson Radio where he had access to these things. They said that An Emerson radio. Create some sort of fuse. That was vital They they they were. They were doing commissioned work for the Military Rosenberg. Though he was most likely most useful it is recruitment of other spies. Because he was out there going. Hey you wanna you WANNA be a spy Oak. Yup come on and most notably his brother-in-law that we talked about David Greenglass. Who was mentioned before Green Grass did work at Los Alamos as a machinist so skipped a February? Forty-four Rosenberg succeeded in recruiting a second source of Manhattan Project Information. This engineer dude by the name of Russell mcnutt that's his real who works for the for the plant. At Oak Ridge Laboratory for Success Rosenberg received a one hundred dollar bonus and mcnutt employment provided access to secrets about processes for manufacturing weapons grade uranium and that is a key point. He provided them the secrets of how to refinance uranium. Now why all this is going on though World War. Two is coming to a close. Yeah the the Manhattan project is a success. I mean it was a success in that they achieved what they were trying to achieve at. Depending on your interpretation of that word my point is that the US drops the bomb on Hiroshima on August. Sixth nineteen forty five and then. The Japanese refused to surrender so three days later on. August ninth The US drops the bomb on Nagasaki to bombs together killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians but also subsequently bringing World War. Two to a to a close. Yeah so you know. That's gotTa talk about is the killings of civilians versus ending a war and having a future war deterrent. I mean John. Jt Kevin Do they. Do they balance in your eyes? Or what do you think? Jt your thoughts. It's hard to quantify human life particularly civilian life so not to get you know to deepen to the ethical side of things as I know. Were keeping it lights or time but I I would say Prospecting out What it would have been with a full scale invasion versus what the cost was in civilian life With the bomb is not a mathematics that I want to try to employ. I'm glad I don't make those decisions. I'll say that. Yeah that's there's a reason. The elected officials age like three times as fast as they need to. And that's not even dropping bombs on people because they are faced with stressful decisions. One might call this a sticky wicket. That's one way to talk about the the death of rendered the thousands of children sticky wicket Kevin Do you have thoughts on us? Dropping the bomb the little bit. I've read about that time in about Truman. In the fact that apparently when Roosevelt died in the truth. But I'm President. He didn't even know about this bomb. And the Manhattan project. Yeah Yeah Mile. One sticking point to to follow that is that I have read that. Japan was not okay fine after Hiroshima. They're like yeah we surrender and then we still dropped another one so I questioned. Did we really need to drop the second one? The I mean. Obviously if that's true that changes the entire complexion of the conversation right like this is a very I'm not being nuance at all. This is just something is somewhat remember from some of my reading. This could not be fact at all right so I'm just saying if that was the case it seemed to me to bombs is a bit of overkill. Well you both figuratively and literally another thing. That's worth pointing out. I suppose is the Fre okay? I'M GONNA get this wrong. One of them was fat. Man and one of them was a little boy right. The reason they had different designations they were literally different technologies. Where we're not going to get to science here again because we accused of that. All the time like you said Brent but They were different technologies. One is one is more of an implosion in one is more of like a gun technology. Fire Off on one side. Make an explosion the other and I I the thing I've always questioned I always wondered Kind of goes along with what you're saying Kevin like where we just like. Hey we really want to see if this other one works to and like. Why would you? If you're in the midst of a war and trying to end the war would you then go okay? Let's Let's test this other technology. Perhaps the answer. I haven't done enough research press. The answer is that simply that we had. I don't I don't know if you wanted to do this. Whole shock and awe which a nuclear weapon is a lot of shock-and-awe wouldn't have dropped them definition of drop them Simultaneously or close to so that this this massive amount of destruction happens As close in time as another I mean I get the whole idea but yeah like you're saying three days later is a crazy. I guess the hope is if we weren't operating in bad faith if Kevin is wrong Most of the timeless If Kevin is wrong and we weren't operating bad faith you only drop the one because you hope that that's enough right. You hope that that the taking of that many lives ends everything and then when they say no. We're not giving we're not backing down. It's like when you're in a fistfight and the person's bloody and on the on the ground you're like are you done. Can we stop now And and they get back up then you have to again and we punched again. Do you know of any time like Between August six always ninth where Japan was actively attacking us or was it just that they had not said we give up the history books. Say that That they they said No. We requested their surrender. And they said no okay. Gotcha that I don't know about a but I think the other thing that we gotta keep in mind. Here is the nuke aside. It's not like we weren't going to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese either way. It wasn't that long prior to the new that we carpet bomb Tokyo and killed one hundred thousand people with traditional items right. It's just the the the whole point of of the tactic and and everything so because you know the the argument here Brandt did that. You brought up. I think a good one. It's like okay. Yes we killed hundreds of thousands of people but did that did that. Save MILLIONS BY NOT PROLONGED. The war actually bringing bat bomb into the world and the immense magnitude of actually using that bomb and luckily to this day. Those are the only two times that we used that by nineteen thirty. Two A red flag with throw to the world of this is possible they were going to have that weapon whether we used it or not. It was going to be a thing and it became a race from then on whether it was started right then that moment or not it was going to be a factual thing and I guess the whole thought was the first one to use it or have it kind of calls the shots. I think it was the novelty of the technology in many ways that was. It wasn't even necessarily about the amount of people that killed because like Jon said we had used other tactics that had taken similar amounts of lives. It was the sheer a demonstration of force of new technology that could probably be extrapolated out further if necessary That may be was what they were trying to accomplish. essentially saying this can't be beat. Think of it this way to kind of piggyback enough that in terms of yield they were tiny tiny tiny bombs compared to we have now. Which are you know hundreds of times more powerful than what when there? That's a scary thought. Kevin I was going to give you a comparison. You mentioned you know But the fact that we actually invented it I mean I would definitely make the argument that that it was inevitable. Brenston going back to the thirty like it was eventually going to think of it. Like Star Trek. We all know that were warp. Drive IS INEVITABLE. We will have warp drive. We all know this. The only question is is it doctors from Cochran that will that will create it and then we will then have first contact or will it be somebody else. That's exactly the way I was thinking about it. Actually yeah it was to clarify. No I met. I knew I agree with you. It's inevitable the moment that Adam was split that this was going to be invented that arms race happened. I think the point I'm trying to make is. Is it an equitable that it was going to be used? Well look at Oppenheimer. In his his famous quote. I have become death. He knew it was going to be using any. He felt the pity in the shame when it was. That's a slippery slope. I like Johnson a sticky wicket that. I don't think the four of us are going to tame well true and I think you know I'm glad that the US won the war. And I'm glad that the working end and you know I am very ignorant on the way the war ended so I don't know about the time line between the six in the night so I you know the the the what I said earlier. You know I don't know so it Iran. I'm never going to solve this. I'm glad that I'm not the president of the United States at uniform. Well here's the thing let's brings us to the end of the war. That's a good stopping point. Let's go to break real quick and when we come back let's actually talk the Cold War and everything after World War. Two and I think that's a good Kick back in hold up real quick. That's actually my quote. I am the one who has become death. I was quoted as saying that in the Bugaboo Geeta confiscated possessions pair prowl. Whoa WHOA WHOA wait. A hot second. No need for a probe man. Why are you doing this anyway? To learn from the container I'll treasure sin -tainer of treasures. Oh you mean my crip crate. Yes the crooked crate you possess. We discovered to be populated with jokes. We find most incredible. Correct how you don't have to object people to get your own cryptic crate elaborate. Just go decrypted crate. Dot Com and sign up on the first of each month. The new box filled with amazing crypto. Zoology themed items will come to your mailbox. Spaceship allow us to show appreciation to your human invaluable invasion. Yea sure thing. Does this mean you're going to take back to Earth exactly Cold War and everything after as I stated sounds like a? I don't know a counting crows. Album retrospect it's so tell us about a cover. The satellites round. Here I I. It's worth saying that the Soviet Union would likely have developed their own new. I mentioned that before without spycraft. Eventually they they they say at five years. The quickest probably more like ten. But that's all that's be an is helped them. Yeah Yeah and and it helps them Come up with the methods that understand the methods that worked and didn't work and probably even more importantly Not Waste the minimal resources that they did have on methods. That didn't that didn't work right at an important time when they didn't have the the money the resources or the manpower right and as we said it all of the spine sped it up and in a nuclear arms race speed is everything and and let's just establish this as a baseline just so everyone understands the Soviet Union in the US never swapped nuclear secrets. Not while not while we were partners not while we were friends frenemies whatever you wanNA call it also. The West was actually shocked by the speed. At which the Soviets were able to stage their first nuclear test obviously shocked because they didn't know about the the spycraft yet Their FIRST NUCLEAR TEST JOE. One was on August twenty ninth nineteen forty nine. Joe Won a slam at us. Like oh I see what you're saying. Gigo you know your American you know. There was a slang term but yet Joseph Stalin maybe I dunno Stalin died in nine hundred fifty three so I imagine with his Megalomania he said they net after me please. What extolling after him. During that time period Lord that guy was he was erected monuments cited the towers to Stalin highway one to Stalingrad turn left at the Stalin Mark. And you'll see a big picture of Stalin everywhere in their George Foreman children. You know. There's George and George Georgetta George and George Five. There's there's a sub. There's a suburb here. In the lower fourth called OAKBROOK and in oakbrook there are a minimum of fifteen to twenty thousand streets called Butterfield is Butterfield Avenue and Butterfield Road Butterfield and then it becomes another Butterfield Or back to another road. Yeah boy when I first moved to Chicago using MAPQUEST Butterfield and I did not get to stay there okay. But it's confusing if you're trying to actually watch signs. Yeah Yeah Johnson. We're Tesla are however though John You you didn't say that they put up their first test eventually the US and the UK caught on to what was going on mainly due to the discovery of the Soviet spy program. They did this by initiating. A counterintelligence project known as the Vienna Sausage Project I believe is what it was called. And I- Brent Brent. You're thinking about lunch again. This is the Vinod Khanna. Yeah I'm sorry. I was thinking back to cafeteria fifty one time. Yeah if you haven't listened to our bonus content. I dish that usually served with the sausage. The project if you haven't listened to our side content. Yeah we're releasing episode each week of US eating weird yet so it's called cafeteria fifty one. You should check it out the Alan Parsons project is a story for another day. But we're today. We're talking about this project which also a story for another day. But the short version is we were able to decrypt a bunch of Soviet encrypted messages and that was hard to do because they did want they use these things called like one so they were very hard to to decrypt. But a vigil also Kevin's nickname and heisman. Done Kyle Tile. So what had happened is eventually they recycled some the letters and things started in their decryption or encryption and people were Able to decrypt part of some of the things they caught on to what was going on. So some of these messages said or the implicated a high level scientists involved in the Manhattan project. And that was our our good friend. Klaus Fuchs well. The Dominos started falling Fuchs gave up a guy named Harry. Gold Harry Gold. Was Fuchs courier. Gold gave up David Greenglass. Who was who Who Gold was also a courier for Greenglass gave up Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. And here. We are really like when you see a mob movie and they got Fuchs at the top. And then all the you know the the mob bosses and things and David Greenglass was one of those guys who funny that you went that direction I was. I was trying to think of euphemism for it and all I thought of was like multilevel marketing like beer amid schemes. Eventually somebody's left holding the bag but they're both apropos equipment while also spine so that they can try to like too. Yeah exactly are you familiar with the medicinal benefits of the Gucci Berry. Let me tell you a little bit Maasai Berries use. Hey the thing I think of this though. Treason is punishable by death. These people were really playing with their lives whether they realized it or not and they were caught because we found out through the decryption of some of these paperwork stuff and then people started singing. They bring them in and they go. This guy was in this and so some of the aftermath Fuchs went on to be prosecuted and he was sentenced by the UK to fourteen years is worth noting. Brent the reason the UK and this is up for conjecture as to who tipped him off but it said that Fuchs was tipped off that they were onto him so he basically he's like All right well I gotTA GET OUTTA here. Where can I go that? They won't kill me for this all right back to the UK. Because if he was here he was he would have been bye-bye he would be exactly like go to the South I said he was. He was put in for fourteen years. He served nine and then moved back to Germany. Where get this? He went on to become a high level science officer or official for communist East Germany until he died in nineteen eighty eight. I told you this guy's an overachiever. He's there on time. He's got a press tie. I mean what went to prison a scientists and what did you do sold secrets to another country. Oh you want to be a scientist for us. Sure so I think that's proof that hard work and determination and that get up and go attitude can overcome. Life's little hiccups. Griego went on to be a key witness against his own sister and brother-in-law the Rosenbergs and this is a a weird story so the deal was big news. In the states they became the poster children for Russian spies and they were marched out and made Made examples of and much of this led to the red scare and even McCarthyism and and a gentleman named Roy Cohn who some people might be familiar with If you seen in America he He invented McDonald's right. That's right was the was it on the prosecutorial team. I believe against the Rosenbergs and he was not nice and did not follow rules and eventually was discussed disbarred many decades later. But wow that guy. He went from being on the prosecutorial team. On the Roseburg's to being the chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy Walton's bell principle in America's first atomic spy trial leaves New York's Federal Court an electronics expert. He's accused of Julius Rosenberg electrical engineer of conspiring to Russia. Vital secrets of the atom bomb. Rosenberg's wife is also accused of complicity in the plot against the canvas to Kennedy in nineteen fifty America's postwar red-scare again triggered by Senator Joseph McCarthy's claim that American citizens working as spies for the. Us are he might have been describing. Julius Rosenberg. The rosenbergs were convicted but mostly on the testimony of her brother and the trial lacked the detail and nuance. It should have had for something like this because much of what was learned came from the Vinod Project which was still classified and still keep. This in mind was classified and operated until nineteen eighty. So this thing kept chugging. Along in other words he's thought by many the. Us officials just threatened the hell Outta Greenglass That they would go after his wife put her in jail. Kill them both. If he didn't make up some stuff about his sister to be able to convict them they needed. They needed heads to roll the need to make an example out of somebody and they couldn't use the actual proof they had from the vagina project which was wide and varied but they couldn't use it because it was still a secret government plan so some people say that. Ethel Rosenberg should never have been prosecuted at all. That's a big question and you can go down both both cases. Did she know what her husband was doing? Or was she just his wife at home? They had no idea and got caught up in this horrible thing. People say well no she was typing these things and was an accomplice and others just say she was made an example of and should have been freed. There's some agreement on the fact that she was aware in in two thousand fourteen five historians who had published works based on the Rosenberg cases. Are wrote that the newly available. Soviet documents show that Ethel Rosenberg hid money and espionage paraphernalia. Four Julius served as an intermediary for communication with his Soviet intelligence contacts relate her personal evaluation of individuals whom Julius considered recruiting and was present at meetings with his sources. They also support the assertion that Ethel persuaded her sister in Law Ruth Greenglass to travel to New Mexico to recruit her husband. David Greenglass as a spy that really throws a kink into the whole story of. He's protecting his wife when his wife was the one who brought him in there saying yeah yeah other historians however argue that the evidence just demonstrates that Ethel knew of her husband's activities and chose to keep quiet. That's been the biggest argument here with this with this particular case Ethel should have been found guilty as well. Fuck Him we all know you with guilty. Yes yes or was. She an unwitting pawn many though they did beg the. Us government for clemency including Do Day Pablo Picasso and a dude named the Pope. And that's strange to me that the pope would even get an actual name idol record before that. I'm the frigate Pope but he He changed it John. Brant bathe in it just bathe in it. Well the thing they they they were. They were begging for clemency for other reasons not because of the involvement or lack thereof. It was more just telling the pope is just against the death penalty under story because they had brought the death of so many people to me. I would have thought he would just been like. I'm GONNA sit this one out Sticky wicket as he said earlier. But Hey who am I? Well I would actually liked to have seen you argue with Pablo Picasso over this. Oh man he. He just wanted to paint them. I that's all you think you would have been able to hear you. But it didn't work out no matter what though because on June nineteenth nineteen fifty-three the rosenbergs were executed by electric chair. Alexa play ride the lightning. By METALLICA NO CHRIST. Sorry he's in a mood today. He's in a mood. That really actually launched a also that launched like Kevin had mentioned the Kinda career because I think Roy Cohn was only twenty four at the time and that put him into the inner circle of McCarthy and launched headlong into a rain of suspicion in terror for a couple of decades. The thing about this is with these spies. We told you the name of a few there are a lot. We could spend an episode on just about all of them. Yes and as time has gone by just a few years ago they actually uncovered like four more spies. There's a lot that probably slips through and we're only talking about the spies that or the Russian spies how many spies we have in Russia and obviously also Germany we were you know a during World War. Two are big ED Espionage push was to to figure out all the German scientific secrets they were seen as the The leaders in the scientific world economy. We we all know the truth That is the hell hounds that they created. We all know the truth. That are the Zombie soldiers they created. Mamma liked the time. Machine's Brent. What I mean. I'm forgetting Assam announced. Dig LAKA LAKA. The wound who've off but it but you're you're right about that. The one thing that I kind of occurred to me when researching this why why do when you go. Look it up. Why do they all say that? The Cold War started. You know like the fifties I mean. Isn't this this is the Cold War starting while we're still friends and Fighting World War Two? You know it's like when you have to warm up with the guy in baseball that you don't like so he throws the ball to harder. Union knock it off dude. He you know that's kind of how it was. You're on the same side but you don't like each other. That was a horrible analogy but I had a guy like that. I didn't like him. And and yeah and then it just spirals and spirals in spirals and now. It's almost like we're well. We're in another one. We're in another one. Well that's true at this one votes rather than bombs but I think a fair thing to say here in in JT. Kevin Love your opinions on this This just John. Talking a fair thing to say is that the desire for the nuclear bombs. Starting in the thirties really was the start of the Cold War and while there are a ton of other reasons and factors that played into the Cold War. These people were some of the first players in that extremely long and costly chess match. I think that's very well said I mean I was just reflecting as you're talking about this that there's always the talk of American idealism And I think American idealism. You're thinking of kind of the Diaz logical approach to philosophy Thoughts of this is wrong. This is right that sort of thing. I feel like war Particular were to makes utilitarian. Have everybody Where you start sacrificing all of those principles and all those ideals that you had to win and so I think probably maybe in some ways. That was the death of American idealism and the rise of utilitarian approach to foreign affairs In America Oh you say utilitarianism. I suppose another way to say it would be nationalism. Yeah I mean what I mean. We utilitarian is starting to to compromise the things that are your principles for the quote. Unquote greater good. I don't think Americans general would would want to have up to that point especially with kind of their non interventionist approach would want to be entangled in dropping bombs on people in taking hundreds of thousands of lives But at that point again they becoming utilitarian they're saying it's more important that we win and that we finish this then that we hold this principle not doing that so I think it was almost a corrupting of us as a nation and a Kind of a death of innocence on some level that also be a good name for a band. The death of innocence. That is probably at least a song or two. It sounds a youtube. Song doesn't it does is on Joshua Tree. I think he sure sat on songs of innocence. I was just GonNa say oh skirting around the fact that he's a huge Don Henley Fan and independence's is one of his favorite song. Anything Eagles related. John Loves I fucking hate the Eagles. Oh Wow we have another friend within rational hatred for the eagles as well. Not Irrational father. So Kevin don't get Kevin started on Peter Frampton. That's his irrational hate guy. I don't feel I started. I'm still stuck on the D. A. Lot Let me. I wrote it down the logical approach yet so I guess philosophically speaking Deangelis goal would kind of be looking at things. Like this is Sometime this thing is always right. This thing is always wrong. We shouldn't blow people up. In any circumstances a utilitarian is going to say there are situations where you gotTa do. All sorts of things low. This guy up. He's going to rape and pillage and kill. Well Yeah so there. That's the way you know. No we don't blow anyone up. And that's why I never invite utilitarian ends to my social distance in party. Let's just leave the eagles out of it. I I know they WANNA blow everybody up. Although I will say I didn't mind. Joe Walsh Joe Walsh on his own some shit that the Joe Walsh did on his own in the eighties was was pretty fire but the the traditional eagles is all garbage. Also fleetwood MAC HOT GARBAGE. Peter Frampton reference. He sold his new handles. GonNa be Edge Lord with all. These hot takes our kids. So that's our thoughts on spies. And how they infiltrated and really shave the Manhattan project and there are a lot of others if you guys know of others at that we should have talked about or you want to talk about or any other angles on spies as in full traded or being used in the Cold War and let us know John. How can they let us know? I'd hop on facebook and search hysteria nation. It's our facebook discussion group and Kevin Christians in there he is. You can just tag him. In fact everyone at different times of the day tag and a post hundreds and hundreds of tyrod no reason no relation to him or anything. He's talked about or cares about make theory and also if you can increase the PROZAC intake if you could make the language vaguely menacing. I think that'd be helpful as well. I'd hate to think I had to do this to Kevin Crispin. Wouldn't that I shoot off. This doesn't happen to Kevin it three seventeen pm today and just some random photo also threatened. Kevin on facebook. Dot Com slash. Hysteria fifty-one pod. That's irregular page. And if you want to threaten Kevin but it costs you money patriots dot com slash is. That is that the new tier replacing the sniff me because I will send you a picture of Kevin and you can draw on it. What what you would do to him. That's going to be the create. Create your own Voodoo doll of Kevin. I'll send you some hair. I still have a bunch because every time he's on the show for some reason I can't figure how they'll pay DOT COM. Butin host your own show on there and it can even be about Kevin. 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Yeah also a a screen shot of where she was had been communicating with them and her first message to see bought was sitting nudes. What she's like hoops will gentlemen. It's been an honor and a pleasure for you to join us today. Jt I understand. You have a book coming out. Well that's right actually I. I have a couple of books for people's reading pleasure already Including two thirds of my co-host here have read scab among the stars and a full that fabulous and they did it because of my ego at all they actually independently told me that it was fabulous. Not only did I give him an online review. Aguire online reviewed you and he goes. I don't see it the only person that reviewed me with some dude with a hand. That's name was pilfered Hilbert. He's like Oh yeah so that. That book is available exclusively on Amazon for your kindle or paperback I first book the Charlatan is available for exclusively on Amazon Kindle and vapor My new short story collection called machines in fever dreams will becoming out on May fifth to Twenty Twenty Year of our Lord. And I have a question for the three of you John. Do you like stories about drugs. Capable of creating shared hallucinations are only if I get to take them. Yes you do in this you get to infuse it. Actually into your frontal low stigma. Val Brands like you just stole that from they come in peace and I love it. Now move now. Though that was different they suck people's a drink chrome out through their forehead. To make you putting it in so Brent. Would you like a carnival uses twisted rituals to create human exhibits? I knew we were going to bring back. Icp into the Kevin. Would you like to read about Authoritarians that are made of glass hunt people for their vocal frequency crimes? 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I have this collection of pens on them are they pins that you're right with our pins like you know it says voting oral ha Pendency RI- with I chew on the ends of them and Chewed the hell out of a pen I have. I guess I was thinking I was hoping you're talking about buttons. Some people call them pins. I just I'm setting this pen aside and starting on a new one. I your hobbies. Yeah a man's gotTa have a hobby man So after after this episode. Would you say you have Lost more hair on the right side of your head or left side of your head Kevin. I don't believe I've lost any hair on any part of my head John. I don't believe I don't believe me either but man I gotta believe something right with that said I've Njit Brown. I've been I've been John. He's been conspiracy but stay woke. Meet sex off. That's it for another addition of hysteria fifty. One John Branch will be back next week. We've yet more of the unexplained the unexplored and the unheard of. 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019 Abraham Lincoln

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019 Abraham Lincoln

"I a welcome to plea rebecca how is your fourth hour with a lot of fun pat how about your irs it was good i did a little grilling and 'em you know look did some fireworks usual thing that's all you need right that is all you need drilling in firework wasn't too hot it wasn't too cool it was perfect weather i would say oh that's a little sticky for me yeah yeah but but it wasn't as hot as ben yeah good so you were telling me that you almost got attacked by hawk to oh yeah i've been traded forget about that well i'm not remember it was yeah it's kind of crazy as coming outside the tilleke were fireworks in there is a bunny out there was an a when i started walking out of the house the bunny of course ran away which i guess triggered the hawk added flu like really close to my face it was a close would you say i would say like a foot away a foot away to way yeah like it was too close for comfort wow how did that make you feel shocking yeah what if that was a ghost that would also be shocking goes to like bunnies used to write i don't know i think it would depend on the go okay so i i guess you know we should just do it maybe you should just tell us about the polls tomorrow regia let's just dive right in yeah let's do it okay so tender vote on the ouija board episode was the title of are are pull a are you are are we ge bore boards real a seventy nine percent said yes they talked spirits twentyone percent said no they're just a game okay well definitely hash tag team believer pulled that one off again i i think there is a lot of great comments on on that pose we had a lot of good story any episode in general we got a lot of messages and a lot of emails about it and were trying to get everyone's emails a process them as fast as we can if we didn't respond to you i i apologize but i would like to point out that i never said that i believe that we g was a game i i just don't think it's actually something that works in communicating with the dead okay so so should we should redo it is no i'm just saying that you know maybe people took that literally in there like it's not just know it's that it's a game in there like i don't think it's a game known i dunno yeah i think i would have got a couple more votes maybe maybe well we we did also i think have some people that talked about how they were in between yes sometimes they think it works sometimes doesn't to me i feel like if you think that it's sometimes works then you think it works maybe i mean that can't there's a possibility of right yeah so but there was a lot of hash tag team sweeney's so weenies meteor new phrase he sweeney rini a guy like that but in between he's okay i mean we do want that opening the problem is unfortunately i think when we give the the third option that it really skews the results a little bit it does yeah but you know i mean this isn't this isn't gonna go down in history street books i don't think are going down but this is this is what the world by these are these are just ghostly fans and 'em unfortunately the world is not all listen to ghostly yet yeah we gotta keep working on that we have ever met who yes so so tell your friends tell your family tell your enemies even tell anybody you can get that there is a ghostly and it's good that so today's episode is about are sixteenth president abraham lincoln ad honor of the fourth of july i'm really excited about this episode although i saw i kind of peaked ahead and i saw you have a lot of evidence i did resign yeah there's a lot of stories out there i'm gonna do my best 'em just remember i don't i i'm not condemning anyone's you know belief in whatever so please you know you don't need to send those males 'cause i i actually hope that you have belief i just don't yeah well it's okay to embrace skepticism i i do embracing thought i wish i wish i was in a skeptic go i wish i could just openly believe these things i just happened to question things too much so i i guess we should just go right into the history then right there is a lot of history together i think that's a good idea yeah so here's the thing about abraham lincoln there's so much history out there a you can get it from many different sources i got a lot of mine from deep book 'em team of rivals the political genius of abraham lincoln by doors key kearns goodwin a it's it's amazing book on lincoln in his life but it's fairly long right yeah i know i read it it's it's a it's a good book by yeah definitely very dense by on this it is definitely a lot of information in it doesn't just talk about his political views although it does cover that it talks about his life to serve in great detail yes so 'em it is long is along book but i have a pretty long commute each day to work i take the train i take the bus i you know walk i you know hover board i do all those things you know to get to work on i would fly if i could if i had wings i would fly to work but i don't so it's a long commute so sometimes sometimes when i'm not listening to podcast i like to listen to good audio book choice yeah an that gives me a great segway to tell you about our new sponsor audible today's show is brought to you by audible audible is offering all ghostly ghostly listeners a free audiobook with a thirty day trial membership you just go to audible trial dot com slash ghostly in browse their extensive selection of audio programs downloaded title title free and start listening it's that easy go to audible trial dot com slash go sweet to get started today yeah so you can get team of rivals the political genius of abraham lincoln by doris kerns goodwin which i definitely recommend or or a any other book that you want for free if you want a fiction lincoln book i'm about to start reading a book called lincoln in the bardo which i of course i didn't have the author memorized in my mind but i'm really excited it but you put them show i will put in the show notes and there is a thing about the outlets lincoln's ghost so i'm super excited anyway so get you download your free audio book today go to www dot audible trial dot com slash ghostly flee again that's www dot audible trial dot com slash ghostly freer free audio book yeah i'm really i'm really glad to be partnering with with audible there i've been i've been a member of audible for very long time yeah i actually had the bring my membership down to eight like 'em one book every other month because it was getting to be too much with all the podcast listen but yeah there it's a great it's just a great resource there's a lot of options as you just said i mean you don't necessarily have to have some huge subscription that you so many have like a ton of harry potter they have harry potter yeah yeah okay so because there's so much information about the life of our beloved president we talked about this for a while and we thought we take a look at a slightly darker side of his his history a were gonna focus on for areas of his life that not many people think of when they hear the name abraham lincoln so were not gonna give you all the details that you already know were gonna try to talk about things that you might not know the four areas that we're gonna look at ars early life his marriage his elections in the death of his sons yeah and i think part of it is also trying to look at him as a person yeah i really wanna bring on the humanity to he's he's definitely you know one of our nation's father's i mean he he really he really set precedent and you know i i just think that there's a lot of people don't know about him in you know to make a human being makes them even more special yeah i mean in illinois we love lincoln of is a land of lincoln is definitely a lot of shit of a chicago illinois to to lincoln and i think we learned a lot about him in school but there's so much you have in here that that you know we definitely know even learn definitely have so when you think about abraham lincoln what are some of the things that come to mind like what would you say his you know his character is oh 'em decisive this decisive yeah yeah really smart smart is a layer yeah well he was a lawyer not because he went to school but because he did it on his own in pass the bar there see see that on her did you imagine that today yeah well i mean you can do that you can buy but i don't know who's gonna hire you that pitcher yeah so what i have down though is when i think of abraham lincoln i i think he's very intelligent i think he was witty and he was very clever mhm some of his comeback from things just very very clever and you know i really see the brilliance in him in that but he also suffered a lot from depression 'em the things that everyone knows about lincoln would be that he won the civil war for the north he brought about emancipation to the slaves in was nicknamed on this date yet right those are core things that we know about lincoln so those are not things were gonna talk about at all so let's focus on his early life first to get started on this is not gonna be in chronological order as i'd like the section it off a little bit but you are starting with early life i'm starting with his early life so abraham lincoln was born february twelve eighteen o nine in one room log cabin in sinking spring farm kentucky to thomas in nancy lincoln now i i really didn't know until i started researching in you know listening to be audio books and stuff about lincoln that he was born in kentucky i always thought it was illinois yeah i did two until i started doing murray they i swear i heard you know illinois the birthplace of abraham lincoln well i think that's what we we like to say that is what we liked to say that we like to think everyone was born here we have a chicago connection with everybody everything is so one thing people don't usually think about though is that he was the first precedent that was born outside the original thirteen states that's super interesting right i mean everybody else was one it'd be original thirteen colonies so wow yeah so he was born as a middle child a he has a sister named sarah or had a sister he doesn't currently spoiler alert in his brother thomas died in infancy his father was not really a successful man he lost most of the land that he owned in legal dispute over property titles so they moved indiana in eighteen sixteen teen again i didn't know he lives in indiana abe said it was partly on account of slavery because indiana unlike kentucky was a free state so already there is a divide between him and a lot of the people that he grew up around yeah yeah whose parents were members of of the separate baptist church which forbade alcohol dancing in slavery okay so it's kind of like footloose will be added slavery so on october fifth eighteen eighteen apes mother died of milk sickness i'm gonna come abe hope you guys don't mind i guess i'll be okay you know what a column president get an entire episode no i have too much but as mother died of milk sickness and i had to look up what that is 'cause that's not something you hear about in right yeah no it milk sickness is kind of like a poisoning a it's caused from drinking thinking milk from or eating cows that have eaten the white sneak through which contains a poison called trauma tall okay yeah so it wasn't nine a a yes he was nine nine inch yeah he's he's pointing february so yeah so little bit overnight back oh that's sad yeah 'em in that you know that sounds painful so so his younger brother died as mother died this is definitely this this is a pattern that we're gonna see a lot with abraham lincoln 'em his father quickly got remarried to widowed named sarah sally bush johnston like ten names she had three children of her own from her previous marriage 'em eight became really close to his stepmother as she encouraged his breathing eating in further education it is nice to hear a story of a positive stepmother yes absolutely you know i don't think he would have been the same person headed not have been first step mom yeah i think that's very true although his father didn't really care what she had to say about it he had his own views of abe abe valued education above anything you would walk miles just borrow books and his parents were actually illiterate in his step mom was a literate as well oh wow but she wanted her kids to be able to create she saw value in it yeah definitely lincoln's father dump it ables just reading books to get out of doing his chores i mean that might have also been partly true well he was a man of great stature a he you know he was physically he was physically built an therefore people thought that he should be working even harder than he was yeah so that has to do a lot with that so on january twentieth eighteenth twenty eight sarah lincoln sister died while giving birth to stillborn son oh wow so now we have another that sets three deaths of his immediate family yeah at the age of twenty one eight moved to new salem illinois finally illinois illinois finally in here but those at the age of twenty one and we take such credit hey listen this is where he made his career it is yeah most of the family also moved at the same time due to fear of milk sickness outbreak i don't know if they didn't know what caused it app hi yeah so there is a lot of it going on and they just wanna get away from that area scher eight became increasingly distant from his father because they didn't see idi and now that he's twenty one years old he could you know venture out in his own you didn't have to listen to his father much one of the problems he had with his father is that his father would make him not only do his chores but because able is of great physical ability he would make him help other farmers in the area and then his father would collect the money but he got from working their lands a said hey this okay so this could have been why it was so in entice slavery a you know he would he would write a lot too and there was a lot of written accounting spoken accounts of him comparing that to slavery sure sure yeah yeah i mean it's obviously not as bad as slavery but yeah conceptually i suppose at least it gets you especially during that intellectual the argument that if someone that's young you know this what's happening his whole life so i mean someone that's you know under twentyone that's you know working in not getting any money for doing extra work yeah you know a he didn't enjoy joy physical labor and thought forcing anyone to do this without pay was just wrong he just did not feel that was right even for a parent to do as well as his parents religious views were against slavery yeah sinker out but that yeah so that really tied together he signed on to local riverboat firm in during this time lincoln and some of his friends took goods by flat boat to new orleans and lincoln witness slavery first hand yeah this is when he he really thought you saw it firsthand and that was enough for him and he was also a manager in general store to must have been a pretty big general store manager imagining i i guess 'cause i think a general stores and just like you know mom and pop operation kind of thing yeah so that's all i got for his early life a as we can tell there's been a lot of that and a lot of despair in his life so far yeah so we're gonna get into his marriage okay or his a relations let's say lincoln's first romantic interest was with an rutledge who he first when he moved to new salem and they were in a relationship in eighteen thirty five but they were not formally engaged they were just kind of cash very nice yeah she she died august twenty fifth eighteen thirty five most likely from typhoid fever oh the sharpest state yeah definitely okay so another death in ames life you know then there was mary owens he agreed mary mary say if she returned to new salem so she went off and he said if you were turned a new salem i'm gonna marry an m she did come back in november eighteen thirty six six in lincoln courted her first time and that they both kinda got second thoughts about things so wow yeah in actually a kind of sad to i i laughed because of just how how you know how hard this must have been on abe i i don't know why i laugh at things like that i'm goofy but on august sixteenth eighteen thirty seven lincoln wrote mary a letter in that letter he suggested that he would not blame her if they ended or if she want it to end the relationship in she never applied to oh four eight or we don't know of any replied i gotta say the true well i get you know back then i my guess would be that for a man's cancelled engagement like that would be pretty scandalous for her like there would need to be a real reason that you know he found out about something bad with her character or than that he would be at fault for not following through his obligation yeah you know and so it but if she decided no i don't why you that it was better for everybody in the situation like yes he was not was not above a canceling a marriage judge i as they're gonna find out all right so here's mary todd ooh okay okay y'all know mary todd was his wife for some of us know i that mary todd became his wife but they had he interesting being relationship 'em she was the daughter of a wealthy slave owner oh that's interesting yeah right in actually 'em eight you know was good friends with her family he didn't hold it against them or a slave owners i mean i'm sure he said he didn't approve of it i'm just making stuff up i don't know if he's at all i'm just i'm abe lincoln and i deserve that's my impression of abraham okay we got it and so they met in springfield in december of eighteen thirty nine and they were engaged year later the wedding was supposed to happen in january first eighteen forty one bowl lincoln called it off oh engine saying saying i think it was if i remember though that was really scandalous i sense that yeah well they run a break 'em you know they reconcile though and got married on november fourth eighteen ninety two okay there is a story that ninety or forty two eighteen forty two i think yeah not eighteen ninety two he's dead already that would have been really like they waited a long time although i think in japan 'em it's okay to marry ghost we should do an episode haitian at eighteen forty two yeah stinky for catching that on but there is a story that goes along with this i found i found interesting 'em i don't know if it's true or not but this is what i heard 'em so they they got back together and they had a relations an dom she told him the next day she goes on you know we had relations in mayor may not be pregnant so you should marry me oh yeah oh he's like all right i have to i guess when we're may not i mean this is true yeah back then especially you you gotta do what you gotta do yeah exactly follow follow through right yeah so while he was anxiously preparing the dumps shoals though lincoln was asked where he was going in replied to hell i suppose there's a a lot of funny that you say here's a lot of financing actually when it comes to mary todd you know i i don't know if their relationship was very healthy although she warned him greatly oh yeah i mean i do think they had some positive aspects but they definitely have their quarrels us while i'm sure yeah another story that i heard was that 'em so someone had called out lincoln and said i need g to apologize for what your wife dead to to his daughter and a lincoln heard the man and then said can't you under five minutes what i have to under my entire life well bom bom all right so that's what i have for their marriage okay now we're gonna move onto the next part his elections this is something that not a lot of people think about to because they think well he must have been you know being elected to political positions and just like you would think of now you know usually politicians move up in may keep moving up they don't just you know pop into the scene unlike some politicians that are in office but anyways a at age at the age of twenty three a lincoln was elected militia captain during the black hawk wars beginning in eighteen dirty to says wasn't really a political position but he used it as that he didn't see any combat during this time although he was he was a man that could wrestle and i you know some people say that never lost a match some people say he lost one or two but they all definitely say that he was a very strong man 'em but at this time is where his political and social education really began i so so he lost his first election fraud general general assembly but one is second in eighteen thirty four in served four terms as a member of the whig party and it's just the state general assembly yes okay yes 'em so he was a member of the whig party at that time okay while serving in the general assembly he started a pretty successful law practice in springfield without a law degree as we said oh gotcha okay crazy there's also when they start a hunting them know no that was after he died yeah a so he he lost another for elections a one of almost for u s congress m u s house of representatives senators i'm assuming 'cause it just says congress than you lost to the usa son it well noted end just as a note here to the back then to be like the the senate you weren't elected by the people you were elected by the state yeah assembly the state assembly would choose the senate are at least in illinois at that point so there's all super political tiny crazy yeah super shady a any also lost a campaign for vice president 'cause they would campaign for this kind of thing whatever it was it was kind of voted on that 'em by eighteen fifty eight though he was a national player i don't know how he was he only was in the general assembly well i mean he did though i mean he really he campaigned for other people yes he did do a lot of debate she did a lot of debating yeah he did he did travel to new york and spoke there to try to raise awareness oh yeah really tried to get him on the show the help with the debate here deceased so it didn't work out just see maybe he'll come yeah but by nineteen fifty eight national player in the new republican party which does not really resembled too much the modern day republican party so yeah when you think of things there were different concerns back then in two different stances on things and it will be there the whigs there were then there's the republican party formed there were the democrats which also look nothing like the democrats today i mean again just very different and then there was also a party called the no nothing's yeah i would have been in that probably living in my last name is harrington i know nothing well a hearing in you know yeah so i'm very lots of changes happening at saint basically so he didn't really suspect that he was going to be nominated for president of united states so he didn't even attend the republican convention in eighteen sixty yeah i mean he had been had been working at things but i i don't know that he thought it was gonna happen no i really don't think he thought it was gonna happen at all he just didn't show up i mean if you thought it was gonna happen that would have been a great place to push you're political agenda and he didn't even show up because i you know i mean he was campaigning mean what that it was more than others were campaigning for him i think but it also it was a not done like it is now where we vote you know people that are gonna get the nomination a it was all just other politicians so right exactly it wasn't like the the public release party voted right much yeah so he won the election for president spoiler alert yes but he did it by securing votes in the north right okay because he lost badly in southern states yes i mean like landslide like they did not like him at all well because he was anti slavery 'em yeah he definitely he definitely would entice slavery that's definitely why they didn't like him but his victory prompted seven southern states succeed feed from the union increase the confederate states of america yeah they wanted to see that right before he took office staff so this was before even moved into the well yeah yeah yeah in there were numerous death threats that were made on lincoln and he decided it's taken earlier training to washington dc the expected who is this window is a private investigator the pinkerton take her saying yeah the pinkerton yeah pinkerton advised him to to go in early and he did so when you know 'cause there was actually people that said they were gonna kill him as soon as he got off the train right and there were people waiting for him at the time he would have gotten and off the train so if he didn't go earlier he would have you would have died in that that although he might have whipped out one of his stakes in slade those vampire you never know so i thought that was interesting though that he you that that the civil war actually started when he was alive when he was elected yeah they were even took office and i mean we're obviously heading down that path but i would they event that triggered a lot yeah yeah so a were gonna fast forward a lot okay 'cause we're not gonna talk about is you know time in office although we're gonna talk about some of the stuff that happened to him during his time in office because we talk about the death of his sons and a how mary todd one oh little kuku there or a so before we get into the death of his sons i thought we should talk about something that is speculated about it he did not believe in organized religion in some would say that he wasn't atheist biggest a lincoln openly admitted to his lack of faith he spoke out about about god but refused to say he spoke about god excuse me he spoke about god but refused to say he was a christian so there were times that he would say you know something related to god but he would never admit that he was a christian 'em an ever use precedent has been a member of a church except for abraham lincoln yeah though i will say i've no effort fritz speculation that a lot of the founding fathers were they were iast yeah they weren't necessarily you know no but but but he did have religious belief yeah and they were they claim to any yeah 'em so this this really hurt abraham lincoln's chances of getting into politico office though 'cause he wouldn't saves a christian even though he realized it could hurt him in his elections because nobody prior to him and nobody after him has not been a member of some church yeah 'em he did start to become more entrusted with the idea of religion as he got older after losing his his sons yeah so he had four sons robert todd todd lincoln which born in eighteen forty three he was the one that lift to a normal age yes and had kids yes and kerry the line out till i believe those nineteen eighty five nineteen ninetyfive it's one of the fives yeah now the lincoln line has now all but dwindled out yes the name at least 'em then there was edward baker lincoln eddie you were born in eighteen forty six in edward died on february first eighteen fifty so deja for anyone he probably died of tuberculosis that's so sad so this is before linking got into office okay but 'em yeah it was devastating devastating to him into his wife a a they wanna have another child so willy lincoln was born on december twenty first eighteen fifty indict of a fever on february twentieth eighteen sixty sixty two this is what really rocked the core of abraham lincoln was this lady but then i'll say this is while he was in yeah and he was oftentimes seen 'em at his grave dave site and he would talk to him or he would just stare off into the distance now 'em and then there was thomas had lincoln which was born on april fourth eighteen fifty three in died of heart failure on on july fifteenth eighteen seventy one this was after a abraham lincoln's that though okay so i guess yeah 'cause abraham lincoln died in eighteen sixty five okay so the death of their son had profound effects on both parents i'd like to just talk a little bit about that if you don't mind sure so abe suffered from melancholy a it's a condition that leader referred to as clinical depression yeah i would imagine mary struggled with the stresses of losing her son in leader her husband a robert robert todd lincoln initiated proceeding have her institutionalized there's yeah there's actually a trial in a jury committed hurt to in mental health asylum in eighteen seventy five those located in batavia illinois called bellevue place that's right down the street from where we are right now yeah it's scary yeah definitely is yeah and i've seen the building many times yeah she devised a plan no to escape a in that involves sneaking letters to her to her attorney in dc chicago times newspaper alerting the public of what was happening to her house and once the public found out they were outcry 'em she eventually got out some shoes in there for a few months like four months or some me she died eleven years to the day of her youngest son wow and this was after you and this is after her husband after lincoln passed away yet definitely yeah okay now isn't it also chew that while they were in the white house i mean i just it just thinking i've heard this did she do like stances and things to contact her sons and all that yes so abraham lincoln was not spiritualist at all remember we talked about in the last few episodes that 'em spiritualist movement really started around the civil war yeah because people were writing losing their children and losing their spouses and their siblings so people turned spiritualism in mary todd was one of those yeah because of the death of her sons sure she really turn to it in yeah she would have santa is right in the white house okay i know that probably helps here case a little yeah so it's been like thirty five minutes already so i think it's time we take a break i is again eighty 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back everyone welcome back you know i forgot to add in his history probably one of the highlights of of his career a that he was in bill and ted's excellent adventure any delivered in most excellent speech are you gonna gonna tell us that they sell for score in about seven minutes ago no i'm just kidding but that that's how it started you're passionate lincoln a my obsession with lincoln happen because i was born in illinois yeah i'm pretty much it's like a it's just a requirement thriving here yeah you'd he did have a beard that's true us he looked ridiculous to us without his beard i know about ridiculous i did i think you i put up a picture of him on instagram when he was younger he's not bad some people say he grew the beard because he had like some kind of skin element that oh well yeah that forced him into it i thought it was to make it look older taken more seriously i dunno maybe i don't know all right so i believe you have a ghost story did tell us the market's gonna wrap this all up and call it a day no it's ghostly so now we could talk about the ghost stuff oh we've learned about some person right in the human and now you know and his tragic life now we're gonna hear some of the stories that people hold about lincoln even after his death all right okay so here's michael story let's say imagine getting the opportunity to spend and that night in the white house has a child you're friends with the president's daughter an she invites you over her one amazing sleep over not only do you get to sleep in the white house you also get the sleep in the lincoln bedroom drew the room where he worked and studied making some of the most important decisions in the history of our country you settle in for bad feeling a little uneasy at all the power you feel in the building in in this room but you manage to fall asleep until you're woken up by a rafting at the door allow tapping that sounds purposeful and demanding when you go to open the door there's no one there but when you close the door and turned around you see a figure apollo publican shadow banning by the fireplace it doesn't look at you but fans looking pensive sad so sad before you even have the witness to say anything you're racist had gives you one look at a slight not a horse dating like wow seems very lincoln niche yeah written in the voice of lincoln amalgam a bunch of different stories that people how so sure yeah well i guess we should do this debate thing i do have to say we have a lot of evidence to cover so we should just hop right in in doing it let's do it a lot is truly a lot of it yes okay so first i wanna talk about a few sightings by first lady okay yes so grace coolidge is one of the first lady that said in a series of american magazine articles that she wrote herself 'em she confessed to a one scene do image of president lincoln standing by a window in what had been his office and then now what is this call the lincoln bedroom furniture bedroom 'em his momentary manifestation mrs coleridge requoted further hatch coolidge sorry had him look looking out over a the out the window at virginia in the distant looking across the potomac river to the battlefield but she would do yes in life you would so yeah that's a it's really interesting story in i know shoe is one of the first people that spotted abraham lincoln's goes yes i've i've read a lot about grace coolidge in something that i found interesting is that a she had a lot of guests come to the white house and she would oftentimes oftentimes have them stay in the lincoln bedroom in each one of them before they would turn in that night she made sure to tell them her story of seeing abraham lincoln so i i think it's something greece coolidge made up or she was more imaginative in her telling of the story in bypassing his information on you meet other people feel the need to see something or that they weren't as special as these other cast oh interesting yeah so that's i just know if i saw lincoln i tell everybody but right before they go to sleep in the same room men right you gotta give everybody opportunity i just think teams all these other evidence then it comes after even after you know grace coolidge a had had passed people heard of these stories people read her accounts in especially if you're gonna sleep in the lincoln bedroom you wanna know the history of this room history of you know the room that's named after great man although in his day they call at the lincoln bedroom there's no it's not is it wasn't about german there well there's another first lady okay a none other than these great my favorite eleanor roosevelt yes this amazing amazing woman 'em she actually worked in that room it was still a study at that point 'em an she would a or i'm sorry it was just to the west of that shows right right next to the bedroom 'em but anyways she she said she never saw the goes but she felt lincoln's present okay a well you're in any house that is how some of the some are greatest leaders not all but some of our greatest leaders 'em you know i i think it's very common feel the presence of great men and women in a place like the white house i mean you see pictures of them all over the place there's there's items from them you know they have some of lincoln's furniture that he had brought in and stuff 'em you know so it's i i think it's very common do feel that kind of a president's if you stop for even a second to ponder all the history that took place there i mean jeez that so much but i don't believe that it's his ghost as i believe leave it's just overwhelming feeling of history is the president's well she didn't seem to feel any other president has a she definitely said she felt like well i mean lincoln was one of the greatest president's that we ever had you know a somewhat some would argue greater then george washington even yeah some some i don't know if everyone would by now at their target you definitely better than andrew jackson i'm just gonna say that but it wow out there so we do are andrew jackson up 'em okay so i realized they kind of flip fluffy order a little bit so that but i want to talk about ladybird johnson and she's another first lady yes okay 'em so she watched television documentary about lincoln and then she strongly sent his presence presence in the long hallway of the private quarters which branch in the west end of the quarter cities in wearing lincoln's day his office have been located so she watched documentary yeah i was just gonna say that and okay so yeah isn't that kind of ironic on i wonder if she would have fell to the president's had she not watched that documentary and been in these exact building where you know where he loved to his is dying day you know few years but still i mean i wonder if she would have felt that kind of a present it just feeling it presents doesn't necessarily mean that there's a ghost i mean you're you're in a room they were great history is taking place you're you're in you're you're amongst their relics your your there isn't it possible to feel something and not have it be that there is a spiritual connection to it i suppose it's possible just kind of interesting so many people will how do you feel about it first lady johnson's watching the documentary and then feeling the president's that i will say that one is a little shake dear to me i mean eleanor roosevelt i love and i trust and she's amazing lady so i feel a little bit more if she father's just say i mean she would not i don't think she would say that she felt the presence of she didn't really feel it this one i'm not asher about never you've never been in a spot in history where you feel the presence of that of that history now i mean i feel like i can imagine the history but no i don't like yeah like oh my gosh she's here with me or she's here with names like i don't i mean i don't know to the extent of what they felt the president's it doesn't really get into that doesn't really get into you know that they felt like his cold hand touching them or no there's not that yeah yeah so i mean just feeling the presence of it to me doesn't necessarily say go sleep but the i mean what a powerful feeling that must be to to feel that though yes very much yeah now the next couple of stories though little more little more to them okay okay so another woman but not a first lady okay go into europe okay so holland queen will amina now a road she was sleeping in the lincoln bedroom or maybe i don't know she was sleeping in the white house she heard a knock it woke her up she goes to her bedroom door 'cause you think what you're saying it's someone else's house you're like oh like it at the door better answer a sees the ghost of lincoln in state okay well i mean she fainted that something right there yeah i mean that would take something it would yeah but i mean her fainting makes me wonder if there was something more medical going on with her i mean you know she could have had low blood sugar high blood pressure sure i'm not sure but it could be something medical though i mean that would make sense right something medical that would cause you to faint in to have a loose nation eighty exit that extreme well i mean extreme times called coffer extreme measures karate kid reference 'em but yeah i'm not sure but as for the knocking on the door a she might have heard something from another room i mean there are a ton of rooms the white house and here's something knocking on a neighboring room just that wouldn't be unheard of i guess i would go with that if she opened the door and didn't seem like i heard knocking went to the door nothing with their yeah okay maybe there's knocking at some other room i dunno i just to me i dunno i mean there's a lot of accounts of people in this debate were only debating some of the top evidence there's tons of evidence that people say they saw lincoln's oh yeah i mean there's so many people that have worked in the white house i mean i'm just you know this is the queen signed ever tell the queen story the queen well i wouldn't call it the queen of holland idle yeah okay well i mean if you want you're seeing glenn beck my queen not mike i made process beyond say you know what i actually all right let's move on right so this is the big story the big big one is the big one a winston churchill wins at this is the story told about winston churchill that he staying in the lincoln bedroom during world war two you is said to have hopped out of a long bath tissue is known to do he lost his long pass late at night and then he walks naked in hit the badger which also something that he was known to do in the white house yes you like to go nude in the white house on reason hey man it's been since patricia he's like i don't care what i i don't wanna see winston churchill make it but anyways anyway so he walks that's the main measure only just seeing lincoln himself leaning against the fireplace to look at each other obviously feeling a little bit of a so church shell reportedly said good evening mr president you seem to have me at a disadvantage lincoln's go supposedly smiles a little and then faded away and then church shell refused to stay not that joe ever again yeah i you know i actually heard that he didn't stay in that bedroom very often it all i heard that he would oftentimes stay in the room across the way from that bedroom but anyways but that it was very churchill like i could definitely you know i like if i closed my eyes like i could picture that encounter in that kind of makes me giggle a little bit yeah it's funny especially the vulnerabilities because you know churchill's on naked in lincoln like body louis right that that's something but on so churchill and lincoln have a lot in common actually a they both were great leaders that shape the the world 'em what a lot of people don't know about churchill is that he suffered from chronic depression is well well interesting yeah i'd just like lincoln a both of those men carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and it it must've he must have thought about this often you know both both of them must have thought about what they're doing is they're making the right choices for their people not just for themselves but for their people that's really powerful 'em so many live were in their hands a the burden of this had to be so great in this did add to his depression churches depression although you know some people say that churchill actually 'em you know was was energized by the idea of the war but 'em during during the wars a churchill still lost twenty pounds so yeah i think he was overcome with stresses during this time a which is well documented by his 'em by his doctor although is coated in a there is journals that he had captain is coated in they kinda deciphered that to be his depression gotcha who's called like the black dog or something oh hey yeah there's a long history with that i don't wanna get into that right now 'em so churchill also suffered a heart attack while at the white house well i know if you knew that i did not yeah so he it was minor but he but he suffered a heart attack churchill was also known to self medicate medicate himself from his depression well a lot of people that they'll do yeah and his way of self medicating was drinking a lot so this is what i fear more the linking the lincoln citing was is shirt shown a drunken stupor you know but i would like to bring up another thing now that i don't know if you've addressed or if you've thought about but also to this is the same exact story that churchill said about the very living roosevelt at that time he said that he caught him naked and he said the exact same words to say except i don't think he called them you know lincoln that would have been really said mr president mr president oh yeah yeah so so it's exactly the same story with somebody that's deceased yeah that is interesting yeah i will say they the only thing i liked the churchill story a lot but it it isn't a first person account worthy other ones are urging other ones are the people saying this is what happened to me yeah whereas i don't think we have a record of church held himself telling this story it's just what other people people say he told them yeah so yeah so maybe i guess we don't know there's roosevelt nathan oh maybe used both at the same time never know all right what else you got for me okay two two more things here so first is there are also a couple of president's okay what's that what's do both of them were put those together and then they'll be one more thing so 'em so president eisenhower once told his press secretary james haggerty that he was walking down the hallway when he spied a figure coming down the hall straight towards him after moment he realized it was lincoln okay and then there was president truman who never saw lincoln but according to one story he believed the phantom knocks on the door 'em to is officer i dunno wherever he with that 'em were caused by lincoln so the wrappings often happen while he was working at important speeches woman's daughter margaret said that her father actually wish lincoln in other deceased president's would stop by any that hey i i'm sure they're here he told her i won't lock my door zor bar them if any of the old coot if the pictures watch of the us are in the pictures wants come out of there frames for smh okay well those are very interesting on so be the thing about president eisenhower i'd like to think about for a second that 'em like you didn't say that he disappeared or anything so if you were in the white house in you saw lincoln walking down the hallway wouldn't you follow him wouldn't you like tried to stop him or you just watch as he turned the corner well my guess is that he didn't realize until he had passed that it was lincoln by that point that i think is gone yeah i saw sean connery that way wow yeah yeah i was in an elevator in be hancock building in a and we were in the parking garage in a we got any elevator in he got on after me in the people i was with it and he said a fourth floor preach inside inside press that knows like this guy looks familiar in his voice sounds so familiar and then the elevator stopped the doors open he got out he turned around and kind of winked at us like it sean connery but was it really i dunno yeah i don't know have a chance to ask them wow so is it possible that he could have made a mistake did it could have been somebody else maybe but i think lincoln's pretty i mean six foot four yeah pretty well and would think you would know that right away then and not take the lake you hired thinking you're not really like looking around you know another thing you just summer's coming down the hallway sorry i would know right away i mean it's abraham lincoln abraham fricken lincoln okay all right so another thing i wanna talk about is 'em so the phantom knocks again come up you know and i already discussed that 'em that it could have been you know in another room there's a lot of rooms in the white house have you seen the lincoln bedroom i know you were in the way i taken the tour yeah so you saw the lincoln bedroom i think the thing that's part of it yeah is there a lot of other rooms around that area it's it's been a long time but i'm sure there are from what i understand about the white house there's a lot of like secret entrances minute are smaller than you think yeah definitely but there's a lot of like court or is that you can't tell that there's a door someplace but there's a door there yeah like in like in the oval office for instance there is no door knobs yes that's true so i mean there's a lot of hidden passage ways there's a lot of secret service going around could be something like that or it could just be that you know it was some other room but you know i i wanna say about the president's which precedent i mean like the the two presidents that people always tried to be like are jfk in abraham lincoln they all have some kind of connection to them they all have some kind of want to be down in you know like everybody's like you know i'm the modern day j f k or you know whatever these are these are two president's that were assassinated before they had a chance to really do more they did big things and then were assassinated and i believe that that right there you know really impacts people in want you ever want to see these people want to have connection with them but also you did say he kind of like invited lincoln did come out and see him any didn't you know he said that he's not gonna lock is doors and you you know you sure that they're they're well why didn't they go visit him then maybe they want to okay well i'm just saying he gave him an opportunity all right all right last last section here okay russia move from the white house because we are a chicago based podcast we gotta do a little illinois aren't as part of our thing so we've got a sighting in springfield illinois a little bit of history here 'em sightings of the former president's happened toll 'em almost since the day his body arrived in springfield may third eighteen sixty five 'em he lied in state at the capitol the state capitol for a night the body was placed in receiving votes in oak ridge cemetery in in december his remains were removed to a temporary volt not far from his new proposed memorial site in eighteen seventy one three years after labor's a had begun constructing the permanent tomb the body of lincoln in those of this three youngest sons replacing crept in unfinished structure the construction of the permanent tune lasted for years and it was at the time that the first sightings of abraham lincoln the ghost abraham lincoln were worded so kind of like he's in the corrupt and they're finishing building and people start to see him 'em they would report hearing sounds of crying and footsteps near the site in eighteen seventy four the completion of the memorial lincoln's remains were injured in a marble sarcophagus papa guests in the center of a chamber notice the catacombs or burial room which i have to okay yes 'em in eighteen seventy six however after several chicago criminals book in the tomb intending to kidnap the of course a hold of her ransom law firm sorry this is i guess side story i put in here but they failed as a one of the men with the ashley in the secret service oh yeah i've i've heard that on the history channel yeah and also i think it was a million to oh that could be used history channel's over the years legends of persisted but tourists and staff members report uncomfortable feelings phantom footsteps whispers muscle voices and we thing i will say however i did it i did not experienced any of those things myself wet there yeah i was there is a kid a before i knew about abraham lincoln ghost so i had nothing to corrupt me at all in my thoughts 'em andy i saw nothing is well a but that doesn't speak for the people that believe that they have some things and also we we have a fan that i asked us to do more springfield stuff or do some springs well well known to take a look at springfield i'm sure a lot of states tougher on there lots of those flavors down there and she had said that definitely lincoln's around yeah 'em you know it's a tough call because where would a ghost most likely be would they be in their home would they be in like why they're like you know it wasn't it wasn't his home it was a it was tune 'em in people saw him there before his body is there a you know it's his body was there just wasn't in the final marble yeah thing but yeah well you said that a you said that in eighteen seventy one three years after labor so it'd be gun constructing the permanent to a were were okay they were placed in a corrupt okay yeah so they were there they just were like in there like vital part but still i mean i guess my my thought is maybe that's where it hits bodies are so that so be yeah you know i dunno i can't i can't really speak for this because a there's no specific evidence you know for it or against it you you know what i just think that there's a certain amount of a heartache that happens to community when a great leader dies and unfortunately this heartache has transcended with 'em with lincoln because of just how great of a leader he was 'em for his time in forever i mean he will forever be known as one of the greatest presidents a even though i don't think that were totally one hundred percent clear on what he did and what he didn't do but 'em you know they they're such heartache for that and i just believe it's like a community morning still his dot still wanting to see some kind of fragment some kind of some have some kind of experience with this great man they've heard so much about and they've learned so much about well he he also a there's there's reports that people give up seeing him around the courthouse in springfield okay around his whole that he did you know what i mean like obviously in the white house but it actually have a house in springfield that's been restored to what it's like 'em i will say though so there's reports of people seeing lincoln there's also more reports sexually abusing mary yeah 'em but the park service the people that work there will then they deny any committee yeah i was reading a book and i i didn't reach out to the person so i can't say her name but in nineteen ninety eight a b one of the curator's for be 'em first house house set in particular that she's never seen anything or she 'em neither she nor anyone she knows has had eight ghostly encounters they're just kind of interesting to me because so many other places that we've talked about the people that work there talk about ghostly citing she says no yeah you would think the curator of his house would know something i you know but then she she'd never even heard of anybody but that's all i mean there are people there reports stuff but yeah that's the call that you bumped i'm gonna say that when the people that work there do say stuffed in the claim is that they are just staying at ticket or yeah in might be but somebody specifically says no it doesn't mean well maybe they did you know this is for real this time yeah all right so the lincoln's it's everywhere hit lincoln's goes everywhere basically i have actually seen him on eight copper coin that i did i am really yeah several interesting like any capricorn ever seen him on any money yes i have some bills you know it's really weird yeah i dunno spooky so i think that's it for the debate right yeah we need to wrap this up i definitely one that one then i listen then we've got some closing argument is closing argument i see you actually prepared something this time i hated yeah i don't know how it's you know go rebecca doesn't usually prepared she kinda mix it up and she goes along it never not you know based on facts that she's already read but usually leaves it open to 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one that is always alive an act that i don't think that building sleep when lincoln living there it was filled with many emotions but certainly sadness was one that was dominant not just the sadness at the state in the country and all of the people that died but also his personal sadness the loss of his children the pressure of that being resident at one of if not the most difficult one of the most difficult times in all of u s history as well as losing another child you've already lost one before this idea that a violent an untimely death which we didn't talk about his assassination in very much but that is a big part of it but it seems really likely to me that his spirit and energy with linger on this earth and he was such a powerful present that to me the fact that some of his energy would be at the white house and some of his energy would be in springfield seen very very possible time all the time sorry about that well those those really good thank you i'm gonna ask you touch upon some of those same kind of concepts in mind okay are you ready i'm ready okay egg so if there was one precedent that would still hunt this earth would be lincoln i mean from his great tragedies to his untimely death it would make lincoln the best candidate for paranormal activity this is what i think is happening here i think so many people believe there should be a ghost of lincoln that they're willing to jump to that thought first when we looked at some of the evidence a very seldomly did anybody confront the ghost of abraham lincoln you would think abraham lincoln wouldn't be scary to you he would be a peaceful figure sad figure you would confront him they didn't except for churchill which he was probably drunk naked in talking to roosevelt and that is all i have to say about that dropped in like okay you had you know he's seconds left that hey i finish quick thank you to the point okay so there you have it the life and maybe the afterlife it's up to you what you believe but please 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S10 EP59: President Joe Manchin

The Erick Erickson Show

1:59:51 hr | 6 months ago

S10 EP59: President Joe Manchin

"Welcome the phone number if you wanna be a part of the program. It's eight seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. Well well well well. Well i think the last time democrats were this mad at people for west. Virginia was when they decided they didn't want to be a slave state anymore. My goodness gracious are spitting. Mad at joe manchin this morning. Apparently he's now president. We all knew this day was coming. President joe manchin has an op. Ed in the washington post that spell sabotage for the democrat agenda on the day joe biden decides to unveil his gun control initiatives. By the way. I have looked at the joe biden executive order on gun control. It's amounts to a one legged man in a butt kicking contest. It's not gonna go very far. We'll get to that. Joe manchin however Headline i will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster when american's vote to send their two senators to washington. They trust that they will work to represent the interests of their state on equal footing with ninety eight other senators. I have always said if i can't go home and explain it. I can't vote for it. And i respect that. Each of my colleagues says the same responsibility to their constituents. It's no accident that a state as small as west. Virginia has the same number of senators california or texas it goes to the heart of what representative government is all about the founding fathers understood that the challenges facing a rural or small state would always be different from a more populous state designing each designating each state with the same number of senators regardless of population insures that rural and small states and the americans who live in them would always have a seat at the table. The filibuster is a critical tool to protecting that input and our democratic form of government. That is why. I have said it before. And we'll state again to remove any shredded out. There is no circumstance in which i will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster. The time has come to in these political games and a new era of bipartisanship where we find common growled on the majority policy debate station so he saying as possible. Maybe he'll change his mind if reporters asking ten thousand more times over the next few weeks. Maybe just maybe he'll do it every time. The senate voted to weaken the filibuster in the past decade. The political dysfunction in gridlock has grown more severe. The political games play out in the halls of congress only fuel the hateful rhetoric and violence. We see across the country right now. The truth is my democratic friends. Do not have all the answers in my republican friends. Do not either. This has always been the case generations of senators who came before us put their heads down and their pride aside to solve the complex issues facing our country. We must do the same. The issues facing our democracy today or not insurmountable if we choose to tackle them together unfortunately our leaders in the senate fail to realize what goes around comes around. We should all be alarmed at how the budget reconciliation process is being used by both parties to stifle debate around the major issues facing our country. Today legislating was never supposed to be easy to hard work to address the needs of both rural and urban communities in a single piece of legislation. But is it is the work we were elected to do. I simply do not believe budget. Reconciliation should replace regular order in the senate. How is that good for the future. This nation senate. Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our republican colleagues on important national issues. Republicans however have a responsibility to stop saying no in participate in finding real compromise with democrats working legislation through regular order in the senate prevents drastic swings in federal policy making voting rights reform instituting healthcare protections and changes to the federal tax code and business regulations take time to implement of the state and local level it. The filibuster is eliminated or budget. Reconciliation becomes the norm. A new and dangerous precedent will be set to pass sweeping partisan legislation that changes the direction of our nation. Every time there's a change of political control the consequences will be profound. Our nation may never see stable governing. Again da da. That's joe bench in not joe biden. Joe manchin the real president of the united states writing in the washington post. No chance no way. Any throws budget reconciliation under the buses. Well now this is really aborted is walkie wonky nerdy stuff. So gather up your nerd hat and let's pay attention. It is little teaching time budget. Reconciliation is a process by which once a year the united states senate can pass a tax and spend measure that benefits the national debt. Republicans were able to pass their two thousand seventeen tax cut package that also gutted it obamacare to some degree getting rid of the individual mandate by the budget reconciliation process. They needed no democrats. The filibuster couldn't stop it. What happens is you put a tax. Spend measure in that does not change public policy. And it's got it's got benefit. The national debt so for example the republican tax cuts could be shown to stimulate economic recovery. So long as they were cut off within ten years. So that's what they did. They were able to get rid of the individual mandate in obamacare because the pseudo-parliamentary ruled it did not actually change public policy and actually save some money so they were able to get it done. Well the have hit on the democrats. It only strategy the reconciliation. Bill actually applies to fiscal years. So we're currently in the twenty twenty. One fiscal year in an october will be the twenty twenty two fiscal year so they could pass a budget reconciliation package now and they can pass a budget reconciliation package at the end of the year. Both in one year but they're in separate fiscal year so they get to well. Chuck schumer claims that he got the senate parliamentarian to agree that they could have a third bite at reconciliation. Something heretofore unknown summoned up out of the rules. The senate parliamentarian supposedly said they could do it. Essentially what they will do is they will pass a change in the budget that you've got to pass a budget every year. The budget is not actually the budget. The budget that has passed it's the budget resolution and it says These branches of government. They're going to get this much money and then they actually passed the appropriations bills to give them that much money. What they want to do is change. The budget resolution previously passed and claim. Well since we've substantially changed the budget resolution previously passed. We now get to do another. Reconciliation package chuck schumer said. The senate parliamentarian agreed but now chuck schumer and the democrats are saying. Actually maybe not. According to chuck schumer spokesperson the parliamentarian had advised that democrats could revise the complex budget. Maneuver that was used to pass. Biden's one point nine trillion dollar krona virus relief package and unlock a second opportunity at clearing major legislation without republican votes. Still even a schumer's. Aides touted the ruling as an important step forward in giving democrats a powerful extra pathway to avert a filibuster they knowledge some parameters need to be worked out the befuddle meant that still surrounds. The parliamentarians opinion has major consequences. The decision could give democrats at least three more opportunities to steer bills passed republican opposition before the midterm elections without trying to access the filibuster but really carry certain constraints. Enduring the grueling budget process. Could be much less appetizing. Democrats aren't excited about turbo charging it senate republican age with firsthand knowledge of the parliamentary decision. Said it isn't clear what legislative priorities democrats could pass with a possible exercises reconciliation or even whether the ruling would limit democrats use of their second tipped the parliamentarians opinion also doesn't specify whether such action is even allowable this fiscal year or whether eighty party would have the freedom to unlock unlimited opportunities to use. Reconciliation democratic lawmaker observed that the party can put as much into reconciliation as we can into two questioning the practical advantage of trying to exercise power. That no one really understands. They got problems and now the democrats say actually The big win. We got may not be as big as we thought it was. Well all of that is now premium. Did by the president of the united states. Joe manchin of west virginia eyesight again. I site again his op. Ed in the washington post unfortunately our leaders in the senate failed to recognize what goes around comes around. We should all be alarmed at how the budget reconciliation process is being used by both parties to stifle debate. That pretty much kills it. In fact he says if the filibuster is eliminated or budget reconciliation becomes the norm. A new and dangerous precedent will be set. Tontons joe manchin doesn't wanna use budget reconciliation either. He doesn't want to do it now. There's another problem for the democrats. Are y'all listen Remember i mean just just a few short weeks ago. Everyone was in doom gloom and despair. Everyone thought the world is coming to an end. The democrats have taken back the senate we're all going to die socialism's on the rise and i got. I got in trouble with you guys. I got in trouble when i said. Calm down calm down. They can't do much. The filibuster is not going to go away. I had people calling this program screaming at me over the democrats taking back. The senate they were going to get rid of the filibuster. We were going to get gun control. We were gonna get all this stuff. Socialism was on the rise. There's no turning back. Now is the end of america as we know it. Nope nope calmed down. Joe mansion is a. He didn't even want to use budget reconciliation. He wants regular order. What is regular order. It's something that a house democratic moderates are scrambling for as well what is regular order. Regular order is where instead of the leadership drafting the legislation and sending it to the floor of the house or the senate the sitters and representatives are charged with drafting the legislation in a committee where democrats and republicans get to market up. Make changes offer amendments finalizing it in committee sending it to the floor where they vote on it and then sitting it over to the other house to go through the exact same process. That's regular order it slows down it slows the process down. It makes the senators more powerful than the leadership. That's why leadership doesn't like to do it. And joe manchin is now saying we gotta go back to regular order. He's not gonna let budget. Silly budget reconciliation become the norm. And he's not gonna get revealed. What happens if the democrats voting out next time well. A republican gets elected in west virginia and mitch. Mcconnell goes back to being senate majority leader by the way. it's not. just it's not. Just joe manchin. It's chris cinemas. Well the senator from arizona says nope not gonna do it. Not giving buster dianne feinstein. Who said she would consider tweaks to. The filibuster has said she's not getting rid of it and there are frankly a number of other democratic senators who know they don't have to take a position because it's not going to happen and they don't favor it now with the democrats are able to make up gains in the next senate. Then yeah they could get filibuster. Raphael were not needs to be defeated in georgia. Republicans will be on defense because they did so well. Six years ago there will be more republicans up for grabs than democrats. Republicans have the potential though to take back the house. If they take back the house the senate filibuster becomes a non starter because they won't be able to get stuff through the house and it looks like republicans are going to take back the house the tendency of both parties to go to doom gloom and despair when their side loses and republicans have done it. We spent some time on that yesterday on the program. There's always hope you gotta find it sometimes and hear all the people who were thinking the democrats taking back the senate because republicans through georgia away. socialism was going to be on the rise. They were gonna pass everything. They're getting rid of filibuster Nope evince changed things and the senate trying to use budget reconciliation as a process to preempt. The filibuster died in the pages of the washington post. Today as joe manchin the senator west virginia says nope not gonna happen. Not gonna let it happen so we can all calm down and keep yelling at each other. I need to mark this moment. April eighth two thousand twenty one twenty six after the hour. I have become my father and we should note this for the record. I went around the house this morning turning off all the lights yelling to no one in particular because the house was empty because the kids were at school that they're wasting my electricity. I how is it that when kids finally realize. Turn the lights off. I think i'm the only person in the house who turns the lights off. I leave the room. I turn the lights off. Everybody else leaves the lights on all the time. Now part of it is some of the lights in our house or smart lights and not all of them. And i think the family has concluded that the lights will turn themselves out in every room. It doesn't work that way. I wish it did. I don't have the money for all the smart bulbs i become. My father people wasted electricity. I remember when i was getting my grandfather to my goodness. My mother's father would come into a room and not like the lights being on wires the overhead light on turn on the lamp. I'm i have become that guy now. You know i. I read these articles about the queen of england she wanders palaces and castles and turns all the lights off. And i'm like. I'm the queen of england all of a sudden. I got no power in my house and i turn off the lights. Its age age are eight. I'm sure you care. Well we gotta talk about the house too but before we talk about the house we gotta talk about the vampires of silicon valley. Here's your bizarre story of the day. The spanish film griff lows helps at all a kerfuffle last year when it along with other firms offer nearly double the going price for blood donations for covert nineteen treatment. Trial brigham young university. And i had to threaten some enterprising students with suspensions to keep them from intentionally trying to contract covid nineteen the trial fail however and now the barcelona-based firm is hoping to extract something far more valuable from the plaza of young volunteers. A set of microscopic molecules that could reverse the process of aging itself earlier. this year. The company closed one hundred. Forty six million dollar deal to buy alcohol based company founded by stanford university neuroscientist. Tony wise corey. Who along with solve alita re revealed in scientific papers published in two thousand eleven to two thousand fourteen that the blood from young mice had seemingly miraculous restorative effects on the brains of elderly mice. The discovery adds to a hot area of ingred called euro science that focuses on identifying beneficial elements of blood that dissipate as we age and others that accumulate and cause damage in the last six years. Alcohol dinovite more than eight thousand proteins in the blood. That show potential promises as therapies. Its efforts in those of griff low have resulted in at least six phase. Two trials completed or underway to treat a wide range of age related diseases including alzheimer's and parkinson's disease but there's a dark side. Silicon valley entrepreneurs are also trying to harvest the blood of young people to stay young. I wish i was making that up. I almost said a bad word. They are do. They're like vampires. These people need. Jesus they don't need to try to find a fountain of youth. Good gracious they literally are harvesting the blood of young people who they pay to come in and give their blood away so that they can refine it try to extract proteins and injected into themselves to slow the aging process Haven't we have like sci fi movies about this soil at greed is people in all of that good gracious. This is weird people. they need jesus. I need to tell you guys something i know. If you're on the left you really truly looked in november and you thought orange man bad and now he's gone democrats on the rise and then you look at what happened in january. You look down in georgia and you said skirl you confederate rebel racist jerks way. Took back the senate with a black man and jon ossoff and how will ilya. Except we don't say that because it's sectarian we got joe biden and now it's dawning on you on the verge of your woke socialist revolution in washington d. c. You don't have the power you thought you had and you're going to be angry. You may see that small business out there and think at some kin. Let's burn it down. You may see the white homeschool family and think those are racists. We should beat them up. You may see that cop car. And they they should be funded. But you've overplayed your hand you've overstayed. You're welcome now it turns out. It's daunting on your leadership. Y'all can't do. Jack and i realized that this is a painful moment to realize as this morning you wake up to joe mansion in the washington post saying no way. Getting rid of the filibuster and budget reconciliation. Were not doing that either. I know it's a painful painful thing for you to have to deal with but now there's even worse news worse it's going to shock your conscience and i just want you to know we hear the ericsson show. We're here for it to laugh at you in mock you as we get into the latest troubles that you guys are having that you did not even realize you're having and why are you having it. Joe biden and death speaker. Nancy pelosi is headed into what could be one of the most challenging stretches of her loan career with little room for error as her party attempts to put in place. What president biden's touting as a transformative agenda for the country house. Democrats will return from a three-week recess tuesday to a slim majority than when they left last month. Following the death of representative. Alcee hastings of florida on tuesday and two democrats resigning to work in. Joe biden's cabinet after they helped pass the one point nine trillion dollar pandemic relief bill. That's right friends. The grim reaper and joe biden. Possibly the same person has sabotage. The democratic house majority alcee hastings of florida. A federal judge who was impeached and then got elected to congress has died god rest. His soul and to democrats have resigned to work in. Joe biden's cabinet. They helped him past the one point. Nine trillion dollar pandemic relief bill. And now they've gone to work for him and you gotta have special elections to fill the seats. Gubernatorial appointments don't happen in the house of representatives. Democrats could only afford to lose five votes last week. And as of this week they can only lose two votes to get any legislation passed without republican support. The number will take up as empty. Seats are filled through the summer. But it's a razor thin majority and even as those seats are filled. It will only allow the democrats a little leeway with a five seat majority as the house sets to begin. Joe biden's two trillion dollar infrastructure package. The democratic leadership team led by nancy. Pelosi will have to balance at times competing demands from liberal and moderate wings of the caucus on spending for highways bridges climate. Change in elder care. It will be even more tricky task with just a two seat majority. You thought you could have. A revolution in gob laughed at you. You thought you can have a revolution in the voters rebuked you you thought your internal polling had it writing. You're on the cusp of a landslide. Twenty twenty victory and now you're left to complain yet again about gerrymandering. How which. Just so unfair those. Gosh darn republicans. You're supposed to wipe out have gotten away with it again. you know. It's really remarkable. I old enough to pay attention to these media. Patterns over the years that whenever republicans are able to stymie. Democrats is just those meaningful awful nasty westley republican obstructionists and with the democrats can do it. Why bhai good they are doing. The will of the american people and now here comes the democrats have a two seat majority a two seat majority. Let's let me say that one more time in the united states house of representatives. The democrats have a two seat majority because of multiple departures into joe. Biden's cabinet and the death of alcee hastings a two seat majority for nancy pelosi and this may be her last term in congress she signaling if the republicans take it back. She's done and she knows they're probably going to. That's why the democrats could be bellyaching about gerrymandering and redistricting but wait. There's more in the united states. Senate they have a one-seat majority and the one guy is saying nope not going to toe the party line. Can you say goodbye. Gun control goodbye. Goodbye gun control goodbye. Massive tax increases goodbye. Or why vita can you say goodbye to the green new deal. Can we say goodbye to all the major democratic legislative priorities. Now they'll be able to get a little stuff through democrats could get some stuff through on a party. Line vote still. They'll tow the line on some stuff. But the biggies the big ticket items. Hr won the election reform. Bill dead gun control dead. The green new deal dead. I mean you name it Oh the equality act the equality act dead. Maybe we should dead name it all their big ticket items that they wanted dead two seat majority in the house one seat majority of the senate joe biden is saying there's urge should rather is saying there's no way he's going with the filibuster Scrapping it no way. Is he gonna make budget reconciliation. The norm and in the house representative. You've got moderate democrats who are screaming about all the progressive initiatives for example on the infrastructure. Plan some of the democrats want to get rid of salt or extend salt salt as the state local tax deduction new york state. Massive massive massive massive tax increase. And they're planning new. York state is planning its massive tax increase on the house and senate getting rid of the salt deduction caps. Donald trump had capped the salt deduction at ten thousand dollars. That is you could deduct ten thousand dollars state local taxes and no more than that the democrats in new york new jersey. what massive state level tax increases thinking. The democrats are going to get rid of that cap. And they'll they're not going to. They're not going to. They don't have the votes liberals in the house. Don't want to get rid of it because they say it helps. The rich moderates in the house. They we're not voting for richard structure. Unless you do get rid of it because our states need it. They can't thread that needle gridlock. People always say gridlock is bad. Friends gridlock is a feature not a bug of our system. Going slow is a feature not a bug of our system of the ability to rush through legislation. It's anomalous it takes time. The democrats don't have time. Because they want a revolution they wanna revolution. You know. I spent time yesterday on the the hopelessness and despair within the conservative movement. Right now the. Doom and gloom and despair conservatism is conserved. Nothing we need a counterrevolution. Well why the hell do you need a counter revolution. Look the revolutionaries getting what they want done certainly sure they've got a wo- corporations out there they dominant culture but they were dominated culture ten years ago as well but nothing's getting through in washington. They don't have a lot of federal vacancies to highland democratic judges. It's not as desperate a situation as a lot of republicans thought and freaked out about. It's actually really good for the gop. Why because it's the democrats themselves engaged in infighting and this could spark a massive wave of discontent within the democratic party in the same way that for years the republican recalcitrance of republican leaders to do the things debates wanted eventually led to a donald trump and led to the crackup of the republican party. We're watching the crackup of the democratic party. In real time and the media is so in the bubble they can't even see it happening and glorious glorious too bold. they don't know what to do. they're beside themselves. and now joe biden is coming out. And he's having negotiate with himself on infrastructure. Democrats republicans will have ideas about what they like. What they don't like about our plan. That's that's a good thing that america way. That's the way democracy works. Debate is welcome. Compromise is inevitable changes are certain and the next few weeks vice president i will be meeting with republicans and democrats to hear from everyone and we'll be listening. We'll be open to good ideas and good faith negotiations. But here's what we won't be open to. Who will not be open to doing. Nothing and action simply is not an option since i announced his plan. I've heard from my republican friends. Say that it's many of them. Say it's too big a say why not focus on traditional infrastructure. Fix what we've already got. The roads and highways exist in the bridges. I'm happy to have that debate but say my view. We are america. We don't just fixture today. We build for tomorrow. We build for tomorrow. Well now what the democrats are doing is they're rearranging Infrastructure is childcare infrastructure is elder here infrastructure is any. The democrats wanted to be infrastructures. Barely defunding the police. Infrastructure is gun control. Infrastructure is whatever the heck they decided they wanted to do including cancer and alzheimer's. I promise you it's not part of my speech but i promise you you're all going to be reporting over the next six to eight months china and the rest of the world of racing ahead of us in investments. They have in the future tempting own the future. The technology quantum computing investing significant amounts of money in dealing with cancer and alzheimer's that's infrastructure of a nation. There's a new book out about how we fall in behind america's no longer to the world because we're not investing used to be. We invested almost two point percent of our gdp in infrastructure. Now it's about point seven percent when we're invested in it. We were the leader in the world. I don't know why we don't get this. One of the only a few major economies in the world who's public investment in research and development has declined as a percentage of gdp in the last twenty. Five years declined. The united states of america led the world. Why does this matter. Invested in research and development help lead the lithium batteries. led technology the internet itself. It helped lead the vaccine breakthroughs. That are helping us. Beat covid. nineteen to the human genome project. Which is led to breakthroughs. And how we understand and fight cancer and other diseases government. Meaning the taxpayers funded. This research government. We stop investing in research. We stop investing to the jobs of the future and we give up leading the world. We do invest in research. Who are really doing is raising. The bar The reason that the american federal government infrastructure investment in research that is infrastructure declined is because it grew in the private sector they knew that baton center american intellectual property and they could make money so the government did have to do all that research anymore. Thanks to the ingenuity of the american private sector. 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I've confirmed through my own sources here in georgia that charlie gasparotto at fox uses legit stacey. Abrams talked to the commissioner of baseball. And stacey abrams is talking to both sides of her mouth. Stacey abrams told the commissioner baseball she did not want them to boycott georgia but if they did not boycott georgia the players. Were going to boycott the game so they needed to take a stand on voting rights. They needed to do something essentially stacey. Abrams was telling them to boycott without telling the so she'd gone see. I never told him to boycott but what she did is she told him. The players were going to boycott. There was only one player of any significance of note had said anything. There's no. I mean there are no major baseball players saying they were going to withdrawal. This is from fox news. Major league baseball. Commissioner rob manfred decided to move the all star game on his own. After holding extensive discussions with voting rights groups associated with lebron james stacey abrams and reverend al sharpton sources familiar with the news move till fox news abrahams and sharpton told the commissioner players would boycott the game if they did not move it sources say that abrahams current stance that. She's disappointed about the georgia. Boycott is suspect as she was a key player in the decision. Lebron james has publicly supported. The georgia boycott abrahams group and sharpton also urged the commissioner to support other issues including voter drives and hr one the for the people lack sweeping election reform that passed the house of representatives. Manford decided the easiest way to do with the matter was to leave georgia. After manfred made the decision he told the eight member executive committee before making the announcement which surprised the twenty two other teams manfred said the decision was made after discussions with the players association and the players alliance abrahams tried to do the week wink nod nod on this that will. I didn't actually say boycott. But i said the players would boycott and they needed to do something stacey. Abrams cost cobb. County georgia a hundred million dollars according to the local economic experts a hundred. I don't actually think it's that much. But that's what they're saying. Stacey abrams and raphael warnock by the way who refused to discourage boycotts. The two of them together cost the state of georgia. One hundred million dollars because now people going to have to show their driver's license to vote which was already the law anyway. That's that's what they did Economically punitive and now. They want to walk away from another. They got their way they would say wasn't me. Was it me note to those of you on my affiliate. Vga you in athens georgia This summer i intend well maybe even before the summer i intend to be up there To hang out in downtown athens a few beers and hang out with you guys The w vaccinated. I think it's about time. It appears that georgia is fully reopening. And i can travel out about and also starting next week. You're going to have be noon to three now. As for the rest of you people Stay tuned for more on those fronts but we got news to get to. I one thing real quick Jeff duncan is the lieutenant governor in the state of georgia and he has been a become a reliable fixture on cnn. Attacking president trump. i. I know him i like him. He's he's not necessarily the most adept at politics number of the people around him say he's just he's a he's a nice guy. Who does it play the political games. He is not going to run for reelection. Having burn bridges with trump supporters. That he was going to have a nasty primary anyway and he is the atlanta journal constitution. Reported won't be running again for office. Now let's talk about guns Buddy of mine is actually text me right now saying he. He thought i had mentioned a gun. Store in gray georgia. I am unaware of gun stores in gray georgia other than Ace of gray. I think they have some rifles But i i don't really know of a gun store in gray georgia For those of you who anywhere in the nation listening to my voice right now. If you ever get to georgia you should rent a car and drive to butler georgia there. You will find an auto parts store called. Barrow live in the front of the store. There are yeti coolers and fishing poles and then there's the napa auto parts and then at the back of the store it is the greatest most amazing gun store you will ever in your life encounter. It is remarkable. you would never know it. Was there unless you waited to the back of the store. And they're every imaginable gun. You could possibly want. it's glorious. You should go even they. This remarkable gun store hollywood celebrities. Show up. I mean this place in the middle of nowhere and hollywood celebrity. Show up the anti-gun hollywood celebrities do less. Show up and buy guns there. They don't want to be seen by the anti gun crowd. Well even a place like that. A remarkable place like that. He's having trouble keeping stuff in stock. Because there's a run on guns in fact There is a story out the other day. that black gun ownership in this country has broken records that massive influx The overwhelming majority of new gun owners in this country are black Believing that In large part because of the defunding the police movement on the left that they're going to take care of themselves. They can't rely on the police because the they're progressive communities wanted on the police. They're having to go out and get guns to defend themselves. Way to go walks. You've helped increase gun ownership of this country. You know what you call a gun owner a republican but the new administration is unveiling. Its gun plan. I have seen the white house. Unveiling of the gun plan. There may possibly be more stuff coming. But i'm not impressed. Is this the best thing you do will. Yeah it probably is because the second amendment is in the constitution is an individual right to keep and bear arms. It's actually there. Unlike the abortion right. Today of the biden harris administration is announcing six initial actions to address the gun violence public health epidemic the recent high profile mass shootings in boulder taking the lives of ten individuals and atlanta taking the lives of eight individuals including six asian. American women underscores the relentlessness of this epidemic pause. Why why does the white house feel. The need to single out the race of the victims in atlanta but not the race of the victims in boulder. Why does their race not matter in uneven gun. Violence takes lives in leaves a lasting legacy of trauma in communities every single day in this country even when it is not on the nightly news in fact cities across the country are in the midst of a historic spike in homicides violence that disproportionately impacts black and brown americans. The president is committed to taking action to reduce all forms of gun. Violence community violence. Mass shootings domestic violence and suicide by firearm. President biden is reiterating his call for congress to pass legislation to reduce gun violence last month. A bipartisan coalition. The house passed two bills to close loopholes to the gun. Background check system. Congress should close. Those loopholes go further including by closing boyfriend in stalking loopholes that currently allow people found by the courts to be abusers to process firearms banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Repealing gun manufacturers immunity from liability and investing in evidence based community violence interventions. Congress should also pass an appropriate national red flag law as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass red flag laws of their own but this administration will not wait for congress to act to take its own steps fully within the administration's authority and the second amendment to save lives today the administration announcing the six initial actions are y'all ready for the bold actions of the bite metairie. These are the bold things that the biden administration is going to do to stop gun could be guns in this country. This is the gun control of action of the bite. I'm sorry the biden harris administration. The justice department within thirty days will issue a proposed rule to help. Stop the proliferation of ghost. Guns criminals apparently bioline kits that contain almost all the components and directions were finishing their gun with as little as thirty minutes. And they're using those guns to commit crimes and then they can be traced because they don't have a serial number so they're cracking down on ghost guns number two. The justice department within sixty days will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turds pistol into a short barrel rifle. Subject to the requirements of the national firearms act the alleged shooter in the boulder tragedy. Last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm. Brace which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable so they wanna figure out a way to get rid of that kind of like a donald trump wanted to ban bump stocks. The justice department will publish model red flag legislation for states. Those are pieces of legislation that allow family members and loved ones to get restraining orders or gun confiscation orders against people who have mental health or violence issues. That is going to propose legislation. They're not going to try to pass legislation. they will invest in evidence based community violence intervention. The american jobs play that the infrastructure plan will propose a fi billion dollar investment over eight years to support community violence intervention programs because that's infrastructure. The us department of health and human services is organizing a webinar and toolkit to educate states on how they can use medicaid to reimburse certain community violence intervention programs. Oh five federal agencies are making changes to twenty six different programs to direct vital support to community violence intervention programs as quickly as possible. Really the justice department will issue an annual report on fire arms trafficking and the president will nominate david men to serve as director of the atf. I thought it was the atf. Now but they're just saying the atf. But in any of it the atf has not had a confirmed directors since two thousand fifteen because the democrats wouldn't confer donald trump's atf director. That's it that's it done. That's that's the extent of what biden is gonna do on guns that's it. He's got a nominate someone for the atf. Get the justice department to issue a an annual report invest in evidence based community violence interventions issue a model red flag legislation for states issue. A proposed rule on stabilising braces issue. It proposed rule to help. Stop ghost guns that's it. That's it The biden administration can't do a whole lot here. It's gotta take an active congress. And there's no will in congress to really do any of that there's no will. In congress to pass massive ghoulish now. there is among a portion of the democratic body. But they've only got two seats in the house now and they've got one seat in the center. There's the filibuster and some of the democrats in the house. Don't want to go as aggressively as the rest of the democrats. Want to go. They don't have the will to do it. They don't have the ability to do it. So nothing's going to happen and now it turns out they may not be able to get their massive got axed reconciliation. 'cause even joe manchin is a. Nope not gonna do it. Nope not happening. Oh my goodness gracious. the poor democrats poor poor democrats. They thought that they could just have a revolution You know there are rules the system so this goes back real quick. This goes back to the story yesterday. The the greg elmer's guy Conservatism is no longer enough. He wrote carmona's duty said the constitution itself is broken. The constitution itself is broken. The checks and balances in gridlock embedded within the constitution are what are keeping the democrats from being able to pass gun control legislation for those of you who internalize the idea that the constitution itself is broken. Why can't the democrats passed this overwhelming gun control initiative because the constitution is not broken. It is mythology. You tell your cells to explain your losses and it's not actually true republicans conservatives the right have got to stop internalizing theology. The left does it so well and here comes the postmodern right To embrace doubt over truth and mythology over reality and it shapes their thinking it makes them even more angry The reason democrats can't do what they wanna do. The reason joe biden cannot provide sweeping. Executive orders on guns is because of the very constitution. Some on the right now say is broken. How would you like to get about four pounds of steak burgers for free four pounds for free. 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I don't know if she's married to fred wilma. Email me and ask for the phone. Numbers stayed that too fast. So i should load it down for wilma and i bet she's not even gonna call bill in woodstock. You're going to be next welcome. Hey eric first of all. I can't believe i'm even listening to you a day off for my woke fortune. Five hundred company much less. But this gridlock is great. And i might buy another gun to celebrate it excellent Thank you for keeping me company. While i'm walking the broadway musical alexander hamilton. It's put on by a bunch of very talented individuals and is phenomenal. Right and the show itself is pretty accurate to the history. So i read the book the pandemic do a lotta reading catching eight hundred. Something things book. Read the book pitcher now. I think a lot of people are doing that. And they're seen how great the founding fathers really worth their she'd have great this country really is and i realize it's the roadway that helps fuel that right there is some level of irony there. There really is it when you when you read so one of the things that is endemic in society. Not just in this society but around the world is that we believe ourselves to be smarter than the people who came before us and the fact of the matter. Is you start reading about the people before us and they tended to be more thoughtful than the people in our time and my personal theory on why they were so thoughtful is because these were real life and death issues for them. I mean they actually died over the issue of taxation and representation and we just like to bellyache about stuff like that. Yeah can't candace. Owens talks about that. These people were making decisions. That could impact. Everybody's teacher and today's kids are worried about bathroom signs. Yes i mean we are a decadent society and by in necessarily a bad word but essentially it's a society where we're living so lavishly that The real cares. We don't even have to pay attention to him bill. Listen i'm gonna let you go there. Enjoy your walk It's it's striking to me. How our founders. Sh this stuff really mattered to them. I i suppose it. It's time to revisit some of my thoughts on that In light of what's happening washer because if people really are insane right now on this stuff and the fact that stuff can't get done. Washington stuff's not supposed to get done in washington. Dc that is what people forget stuff is not supposed to get done easily in washington and the reason stuff's not supposed to get done easily in washington. Dc is because it's got a matter. Washington is not supposed to be the be all end all of our existence Washington is only supposed to do the big things that are good for the entire country. Not just for your political coalition and people forget that particularly the left they have no sense of history and because they have no sense of history They're doomed often to repeat it. And and they don't really understand the argue the historic arguments they find no validity river recline used to ride the washington post. One of the vox kids. He's now the new york times actually wrote that. The constitution was too old. Nobody reads it a who cares about it. This is essentially the argument albie made by some of the post-christian right They got no grace and they think out of the constitution broken because it does it. Serve my purpose. It's not supposed to serve anybodies. Purpose is supposed to guide our government. people died over those ideas and now people just want to be keyboard warriors and complain about them. It's all very nonsensical. Maybe i'll talk about that when we come back. But i talked trains to what is it with old men and trains. What is it about old men and trains for the longest time in a conservative movement. That prides itself on on private enterprise and small government for the longest time. There has been this belief that somehow the government needed to invest in trains and the democratic party is well there needs to be an investment or traits. I've actually got a friend who's wife refused to allow their child to have model trains toy trains when he was little because she was afraid he would grow up and become one of those people who thought the government need to spend money on trades. She's away more deserving. I mean the hardest core hardcore conservative. I know she's like nope no trains in our house. Because that he's gonna think the government should subsidize amtrak i- y'all i do not understand what this infatuation is with trains. Joe biden yesterday told a group of people that by investing in the infrastructure plan. We should imagine a world where trains go as fast as planes and there are people when i pointed out. That's not physically going to happen. There are people who came after meals social media. We just invest the money. It will all china japan. Germany and france have poured money into high speed rail. The fastest train on planet. Earth is a maglev train. that's in development in japan is not even on the tracks it's just development as a new generation of maglev train and it goes three hundred seventy four miles per hour max. The fastest train in regular passenger youth is the tgv the What is it page. Ebay is in france The tgv train goes slightly more than three hundred miles per hour at its fastest but in regular commercial. Use ghost two hundred miles. An hour a boeing. Seven thirty seven. The most popular commercial jet on planet earth goes over five hundred miles an hour now. There is credibility to the argument that there are certain. Train corridors certain corridors for trains. Do make some sense like for example. If i'm to go. Let's see i'm gonna do this math right here. Actually i'm gonna use the My travel guide here if i travel from nashville tennessee. And i don't want to go to nashville georgia. I wanna go to nashville. tennessee If i go to nashville. Tennessee from atlanta georgia. Let's say i go from downtown atlanta georgia. I am going to go from downtown nashville to downtown. Atlanta georgia is four hours. Two minutes at the fastest in rush. Hour could be about five hours. A there's a heist the not. Even high speed rail corridor proposed. There's a trade corridor proposed to run to nashville. And in running to nashville. It would take the same or longer than it in a car. There is an argument to be made. That perhaps maybe if you put in a high speed rail with limited stops it would be worthwhile why because if you fly delta to nashville from atlanta it is five or six hundred dollars. It's ridiculous how expensive it is even southwest. Atlanta nashville is kind of expensive. And you gotta go to the airport. You gotta be there in our in advance. The flight takes an hour. You get to nashville. And then you're outside the city. You got to rent a car. There's not good public transportation from there. It could take if you could do it if you could do a train. That takes three hours. Four hours to get to national. There may be. There's an argument there. Or let's take los angeles los angeles california to las vegas nevada If you do that the travel times. I'm using apple maps right now. Which has flaws is widely considered to give you the best Traffic averages right now to go from downtown los angeles to go to las vegas four hour drive. It is a four hour drive You could actually conceivably do a train. Ride from. Los angeles to nashville. That is quicker than either a car ride or a plane ride. Why because if you've ever been to lax lax is a burdensome airport to get in and out of. You gotta be there ridiculous early particularly if you're going to check a bag But even if you're not gonna check you gotta be the ridiculously early because of security lines location and traffic to get there So let's say you're you you want to be there an hour and a half early. The plane ride is gonna take you about an hour. And then you get to las vegas and the and navigate to the airport you could. You could probably get at high speed rail from los angeles to las vegas. That's reasonable but why should the government do it. If it was commercially feasible the private sector be doing this. In fact there have been plans for the private sector. Do it now the other problem here is that if you were to do something like that. The reality is that the government regulation on the right. We real already environmentalists are crying foul about some of amtrak's proposals. But joe biden is convinced regardless of the merits of some of these close in proximate cases. Joe biden is out there claiming we're gonna have high speed rail as fast as airplanes. That is not true. It is possible perhaps that maybe there will be a high speed rail system. There could be high speed rail systems that get you to a destination as quick as a plane because of stops in airports and traffic along the way. But i mean just consider for years. So i live in macon georgia bacon. Georgia's the geographic center of the state of georgia and it is from my house to downtown. Atlanta georgia win. Traffic is good is an hour and sixteen minutes from my house to the atlanta airport. I live on the south side of atlanta georgia from my house to atlanta. Airport is right at an hour. Another fifteen minutes to get to downtown atlanta. There has for years been a proposal for a train between macon georgia in atlanta georgia. And the train would take two hours minimum because there would be stops along the way there would be at least five stops along the way and it would take two hours. I get in my car and get to the airport in an hour. It would take roughly two hours by train to do the same thing. Why would anyone want to do that. And what the the portrayed avocats we'll tell you as well in twenty years because of of car. Traffic is going to take two hours to go that right. No it's not no. It's not they've been saying that for years. They've added lanes to interstate. They're adding toll aids. They're adding lanes now to get the eighteen wheelers off the road if anything is going faster to do it and now amtrak wants to trade from nashville tennessee Down to savannah possibly cutting then down to jacksonville florida. Which i guess would work. But i can drive it quicker than they're trained proposal. Why would i want to do that now. Some people as well because you can kick back. You'd have a few beers on the train. You can watch a movie. Yeah ok sure. Or i can have my car and get there quicker and did i mention have my car like for example Orlando florida from where i live. Orlando ford is about a five hour car. Ride to get to disneyworld. I can drive an hour to the atlanta airport. Get there an hour early. Take the hour and a half ride to the to orlando and then a deal with another thirty minutes to an hour to get a rental car. Where i'm good i drive to orlando florida. Typically i drive to orlando if i'm driving from my house going to actively take my car because they don't have to rent a car when i get there i could drive around Take the family to disney. Go see relatives do whatever. There's no point now get halfway there. I think my gosh. I could be sitting up in. I lasted having a drink right now. Why the heck did i decide to drive the strive. But when i get there. I'm happy of got my car. This this infatuation with trains from old people of the right by the way. I don't mean to be rude. But all of the people who were pushing back on me on social media yesterday were above the age of fifty. It is apparently one of the few things. Besides viagra viagra that can get men turned on. These days is playing with trains and they all get excited by it. If they're over fifty years old they're right and left as well. I see the i mean. You've got conservative. i totally see the mirror of trae. We'll have you seen the merit of a tracy of the private sector. doing it. amtrak has one financially viable route. It is the acela corridor from washington dc to boston and acela amtrak owns the line everywhere else in the country. There are very few proposals for amtrak to too old line. They're doing one from atlanta to sh Charlotte north carolina. They may propose brimming ham to charlotte via atlanta. Where they want to build their own track. They wanna take people's private property and they want to build a rail line and they actually say based on their projections would get you there faster than a car does right now. Because of limited stops it would essentially be a birmingham to atlanta atlanta. Gainesville georgia gainesville georgia to rock hill. South girl to greenville south carolina to rachael selker letter charlotte Minimal stops along the way and it could get you okay. Five let the private sector doing. If that's the case. Why do we need a government. Subsidized train system. We have in this country. Something called airplanes. And the idea that someone is going to get on a train and go from atlanta georgia to los angeles california a trip that takes more than twenty four hours and costs more than an economy class delta ticket from atlanta to los angeles and rollers not fly delta anymore. Because what delta did about voting. You're gonna fly all. The government subsidizes amtrak train. Really that at a minimum will take twenty four hours. I had to do a train ride. Onetime should have done it twice. I've gone from washington to atlanta and atlanta to washington now the washington to atlanta trip. I had to do it because there was a terrible storm. In washington it was a spring storm and everything shut shutdown. And i could have taken. My flight got cancelled by delta flight. Got cancelled and i could have taken a jet blue light. That would leave washington at eleven. Pm and make it to boston and then connect from boston and land in atlanta at like five o'clock in the morning or i could go hop track and Take the train. I'd never take the train before and get into atlanta sometime around eighty. I took the train. I should have taken the jet blue. It was miserable. The business class seat all the amtrak. It was it was a miserable. I i stayed in. The dining. corals overnight met some people who listeners by radio. Great guys amana son. They decided to take a train around america. Good all the baseball parks. What an awesome experience. they had He's become a friend. But i was miserable when i finally would absolutely miserable now i got off the trade right by my office walked in my office and slept in my office until i was awaken to be able to drive back to make it by way. I had to go to the airport. Get my car to go home. And then one time. I decided to take the of track from atlanta to washington just to see just to see. I got a first class sleeper car. Had my own room had my own bed. Have my shower had own toilet. It was miserable. it was miserable. You stopped everywhere. You nearly rolled out of bed. The train was delayed. I got in late is like eight pm to eight. Am i could could've literally got in my car and driven faster or gotten on delta paid. The exact same price had gotten there in an hour. I don't understand people's fascination. Trains yes For subway systems. Okay fine yeah. I love the new york subway system the marta system in atlanta. Where i live It's garbage system is in south and goes east and west and it doesn't go anywhere anyone wants but some cities have good transit systems. Maybe invested that. If you're gonna invest in it but the idea of cross country rail travel Maybe in the eighteen hundreds of the early one thousand nine hundred dollars worthwhile. But now it's old people on sightseeing tours and people who have no clue where they're scared of flying just get on delta. They're ready to go when you are. If you can't fly delta fly southwest. Guess what they're all of. These companies in america called airline companies and they tend to go all over the place. And they'll get you there faster than the stupid train will. I don't understand why we wanna pour billions literally billions of dollars it ability rail infrastructure across this country. Everyone in washington dc. Somehow we are europe. We are the fourth largest country on the planet. We are the third most populous country on the planet. Europe cannot compare. We can fit europe inside the united states that he would've build high-speed rail systems all over the country. No airlines are the way to go. The private sector is the way to go a. Don't give up on the private sector. Just because won't companies are making you mad because the alternative is woke government companies that you'll never get rid of a you know i'm starting to get affiliate Requests outside or we're gonna go on road trips. Gotta go down to florida. Gotta go over to. I need to go to texas. Anyway i have been to texas in a while and texas is awesome. Is it not you know. The left is in absolute freak out meltdown. Over texas's known blogger lockdown and it turns out texas continues to do exceedingly. Well you know what state that's not doing. Well with the with the virus that would be michigan. In fact four states are producing almost half the corona virus cases in the nation. Right now Michigan new jersey. New york and florida and of all of them. Florida is way less bad than the others. In fact florida's starting to trend down michigan is seeing a massive skyrocketing cases an eighty nine percent increase in cases a hundred ten or one hundred eighteen percent increase in hospitalizations and gretchen. Whitmer the governor there who is up for reelection has decided no more lockdowns funny other works gavin. Newsom in california decided. No more lockdown. Now that he's being recalled. No more lockdown. It's almost as maybe there was some politics involved A third of michigan residents have had at least one dose of the vaccine twenty percent. Have been fully vaccinated and now the state health department has issued a new order easy restrictions of the state and the governor. Say there will be no more lockdown. At the state of michigan. It has everything to do with her election. And also the fact that states that have it locked down are doing better. But i gotta tell you this gets lost in the yelling in the conversation but the reality is this there is clearly clearly. Some correlation to weather and states were the vaccine where the virus is going down. I mean north carolina kentucky georgia texas new mexico arizona louisiana mississippi california alabama. Arkansas cases are going down now. There are some cool weather station there to like montana utah. Wyoming cases are going down there as well but cases were were going up michigan. New jersey new york rhode island minnesota pennsylvania delaware connecticut massachusetts new hampshire vermont alaska. Illinois maine colorado nebraska. I mean places that have had cold waves come through Now no explanation really own florida. Perhaps florida is For just having some issues. But even in florida the increasingly about twenty percent which is terrible and florida is completely fully open and masks surena longer required and the outbreak is mostly centered in miami. I here's something. That frustrates me. I think the thing that frustrates me. The most about the coverage of covid the science of covid the public health pronunciations of covert etc is. No one's willing to acknowledge publicly. Fauci and the like. They're not willing to acknowledge that the data changes they're still a lot we don't know and we've got to exercise some humility and be humble in our pronouncements they want to dr fauci. The other day suggested maybe fourth way won't come given the vaccine rates. After weeks of media hysteria about a fourth wave coming thao she goes on tv and says probably not a fourth wave and now yesterday's like gazes or other is be scared exercise of humility. There's just still stuff we don't know this virus the daytona. This is about a year old. The initial months were based on lies from china. They're still a lot. We don't know the data changed. I had jerome armstrong the former surgeon gerald of the few people's willing to say look yet we chase her guidance lemass because the data change we learn more and frankly at the beginning we were afraid of will of a run on masks and healthcare professionals needed him. Okay be honest. So much of the government is willing to be honest on this stuff. The new york times is reading a scare story that nfo nfl games have corresponded to a spike in covid cases. Their study that they're running and sensationalizing has nothing to do with contact tracing and has nothing to do with confirmed date of people into football games. It's just oh there was an nfl game in this area And then there was a run. There was a rise in cases. That's it We don't know where the cases came from. We don't know who got the cases none of that. It's just observational. Oh there was an nfl game and then. Suddenly there was a rise in cases somewhere. That's not really how you do this. And yet the new york times running with this or that. The news media read with a got the vaccine that he died pay. No attention to you was stage for advanced cancer. The media the public health officials at all. They're doing such a terrible job being honest and explaining their changes seating doubt in all sorts of people. They're undermining themselves. I just i have such frustration with the public health and the government officials of this and even the media. Now they're running with the stuff. We need honest cleared us and we're not getting any honest us about any of this stuff just just frustrating. All right we gotta move on When we come back the god particle. Let's talk about it. Kentucky has signed a voting rights. bill a bipartisan. voting rights. bill. It's just so grand and glorious while many according to cbs news or pushing restricted voting laws. Today kentucky governor eddie. Bizarre signed a bipartisan. Bill that expands voter access. They now get three days of early voting three days early. Voting georgia has seventeen in an additional two optional sundays. And somehow or another Andy sure the democrat. It's funny how it's always. The democrats are with these. Granting glorious things a barely giving people any voting and and somehow it's wonderful and of course. Georgia is is awful terrible state because it's giving people Minimal minimum of seventeen days of early voting bias. If the media didn't have left wing biased Might not have anything to talk about on the radio all right. Let's talk about the god. Part of the the new god particle there's always a god particle This is this is a story is buzzing around there. it's nonpolitical and i'm tired of politics by the way speaking of politics though kevin brady The the congressman brady of texas is gonna join me. after The thirty after the hour the bottom of the hour It talk about the infrastructure plan and the taxes. But let's talk about this. This is a new york times story. Pretty in depth story by one of their science writers. This headline a tiny particles. Wobble could up end the known laws of physics experiments with particles known as muons suggests that there are forms of matter and energy vital to the nature and evolution of the cosmos that are not yet known to science. Evidence is mounting that a tiny subatomic particle seems to be disobeying. The known laws of physics scientists announced on wednesday a finding that would open a vast and tantalizing hole in our understanding of the universe. The result physicists says suggests that there are forms of matter and energy vital to the nature and evolution of the cosmos that are not yet known to science. This is our mars. Rover landing moment says chris poly a physicist at the fermi national accelerator laboratory or fermilab in batavia illinois. Who's been working toward this finding for most of his career. The particle celeb- is the on which is akin to an electron but far heavier. It is an integral element of the cosmos dr polly and his colleagues and international team of two hundred physicists. From seven countries found the milan's did not behave as predicted win shot through an intense magnetic field at fermilab. The aborate behavior poses a firm challenge to the standard model the suite of equations that enumerates the fundamental particles in the universe. Seventeen at last out and how they interact. There is strong evidence that the more on is sensitive to something that is not in our best theory. Says remain rene fit fa timmy. A physicist of the university of kentucky the results. The first from an experiment called muan g to agreed with similar experiments at the brookhaven national laboratory in two thousand one that have teased scientist. Ever since at a virtual sonar. A news conference on wednesday. Dr polly pointed to a graph displayed white space where the fermilab findings deviated from the theoretical prediction. We can say with fairly high confidence. There must be something contributing to this white space. He said what monster might be lurking there. Today is an extraordinary day long awaited. Not only by us. But the whole international physics community Grazziano veneziani a spokesman for the collaboration and a physicist at the italian nationalist. Who'd for nuclear physics said in a statement issued by fermilab. The results are also being published in a set of papers. The measurements have about a one in forty thousand. Chance of being a fluke. The scientists reported well short of the gold standard needed to claim an official discovery by physics standards promising signals disappear all the time in science but more data on the way wednesday's results representative six percent of the total data. The experiment is expected to garner incoming years. Now some of you are thinking. Why should i care. What on earth is this so we have this thing in science in physics. It's called the standard theory. On how the world works now you know the the newtonian laws of physics objects at motion tend to stay in motion and objects at rest in state reston less of forces applied. What goes up must come down. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Where we're we're not supposed to call those newtonian anymore because that white defies the physics apparently the woke. Don't let us like us to call it newtonian but there are standard laws. It we know there's gravity we know there electrons we know there are neutrons. We know there are protons. We know are muanza and quirks and the higgs boasts at all of these all these different particles. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to explain the way the universe works and they have general theories and then there's quantum theories and quantum physics is is just whacked out. It's everything you don't think. All the science fiction stuff comes from that but they tried to find ways to make it all work and inevitably they become stymied and a lot of this stuff and this is where. I actually went to go with this. There are so many people in the world today who don't in a divine higher power and they believe science could explain everything but what they don't want to recognize is that so much of their beliefs are actually by faith as well. There are so many of their beliefs that can actually be explained except by faith for example they believed by faith that there must be other planets out there that sustain life we have no proof of these other planets that sustain life but they conclude based on their models that there must be some proof of life out there they take it by faith they take it. You know a lot of people look at this. They say you know if the earth were few thousand miles in either direction couldn't sustain life if water didn't freeze from top to bottom. We couldn't have life if the earth were tilted on his axle More we couldn't have life if the solar system were in different location in the milky way. We couldn't have life. The son was not the shape of this on the size of the sun. The way the sun forms. We couldn't have life all of these things where you can have life. All of these things look to people as you know. It's not an accident where here there must be god. now the people who reject god save. They're they're going to be thousands millions of planets like it in the universe. They can't find them. They get himself it but they dismissed the idea of god the difference. I have a friend of mine. He's a. what am i professor zimmer. He was by systematic theology professor and he said something one time that's always struck with be. The difference between the christian in the atheist is that the christian has a firm understanding of what came before the big bang. The atheist has theories a christian as a firm understanding of what came before the big bang an atheist test theories and whatever an atheist gravitates towards as the proof. It is proof by faith it is. It is a total proof by eighth. They don't actually know they're trying to figure it out there trying to find. They're trying to find something. They're trying to find explanations the the they've got dark matter. We can't see dark matter but there's got to be dark matter dark. Matter explains things they come up with theories that is not to say. The theories are not wrong. I have a friend of mine who is a physicist who is a deeply religious person and what he says is that god presents us the bible as a way to know him got also weaves himself into nature as a way to know him and because god we himself nature as a way to know him. We can know god by understanding mathematics and physics and the universe and we can see got in it so a lot of these people they get to the stuff and they say well. What is this. There can't be a god. There must be an explanation and my friend who's a physicist looks at this and he says there is a god and we're interested in how he did this. Sometimes you look so hard at the at the cork at the milan at the electron at the subatomic particle. They missed the bigger picture. But sometimes you look much of the big picture that you miss the nuance. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes you can't see the trees for the forest. There's a more complex picture. Look at but we shouldn't be precluded by saying by faith. We believe that god created the stuff in made it so win. A lot of these people who reject their beliefs are by faith as well and they seem to think that their belief is more evolved more advanced. When it's a it's a by faith belief you know the the the hindus used to believe that it was a turtle who held up the universe. They literally this was an ancient Indian subcontinent southeast asian belief that a turtle held up the universe what held up the turtle. Another turtle what held up that turtle another turtles all the way down that was an actual belief turtles all the way down. We know there's not a turtle what is there. It is our quest our desire. Our mission our fascination. I mean everybody gets fascinated. Y'all if you live in a city if you live in a city you owe it to yourself to get in your car one night find a rural part of whatever state you are in and drive to that part of the state do it at night and get out of your car and look up at the sky on a cloudless night. I live in middle georgia. We've got streetlights around us and still even still. There are times where i can make out the faint glow of the milky way. We like to go to hilton head. One day fiver do good and radio and and make some good money. I want a house on the beach at sea pines in hilton head. It is one of the few places on the planet where i go and just relax because i've been going there since i was in law school and he was the place i went to relax and law school and i want a house on the beach at sea pines hilton head one day where i can go and relax and you can go out there in the middle of the night and you can't have beach lights on because of the sea turtles from may to october beach lights on now. There are certainly lights but there aren't a lot but you can get out on the beach two o'clock in the morning. The air is warm and moist. There's not a cloud in the sky and you can look up and you can see. The milky way is cloud. You can sit in the pool. This is where i like to do. We were in a house. Usually we didn't do this year because all the job changes stuff. We could go on spring break. But what i liked to do the like to go to hilton head. Get a house on the beach. That has a hot tub to clock in the morning even the summer. It's it's kinda chill. There's a chilling here. You turn on the hot tub two o'clock in the morning and you sit there. Just look up and you see the shooting stars. See the planet you see the airplanes you could see the milky way or go out to sedona we out years a couple years ago i took christie the kids out to sedona arizona. Now i gotta tell you. I went to the southern rim of the grand canyon and i was not as impressed as When i went to vegas a couple of weeks ago and flew a helicopter widened fly but how pilot fly the land inside the grand canyon. That was way more impressive but sedona. I was fascinated by the rock formations. And all the canyons and stuff. I mean you see this. And you're like god. God's got just a magnificent artistic sense of beauty but sedona and flagstaff. Arizona are dark sky communities that means they go out of their way to make sure that there's not light pollution night even in the city. You can stand out. You can look up at the stars at night and it is spectacular. I wanted to. I've got a telescope. I love take pictures of the stars at night. You should follow me on instagram. It spectacular. But i look at that and i think god's wonders never cease. And then you've got other people out there who look and they just need to. This is awesome sort of random act. And i feel sorry for those people because there's no sense of wonder there i think when they think it's awesome saranda mac and they they they play in the find the and the quirks and they come up with these elaborate theories and they hold people who are faith in some level of contempt for bleeding. There's a god who painted the heavens in the universe and they they just they don't have a sense of humility enough to realize that they have a by faith belief as well but the difference is there by faith. Belief that they refuse to even admit is by faith gives them no hope for themselves in their future and my by faith. Belief gives me profound hope in the future one day. I wanna be among the heavens and go. See the orion nebula up. Close the cat's eye nebula. I want to be able to do those things one day. I probably will be able to the new heavens and the newer earth who knows what gotta let us do but it's just no more by faith in the people were scrambling around trying to find more laws of physics and then running into roadblocks. They realized that the laws of physics. We know there's one little particle that up in the whole thing. And oh my gosh. We have to start over or just believe there's the being out there who said let there be light and there was light than brady of texas is going to join me at the bottom of the hour to talk about the biden infrastructure plan and the corporate tax increase biden wants He's got lots of good information on comparing it to what. President trump actually did the full number. If you want to be a part of the program is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five right now. I want to put out an all call for anyone. Who's got something they wanna show off a vendor. You got a product. You've got a good you gotta wear Rocco's up jasper georgia's having their first annual rock and affair may first and second ten. Am to five pm. She'll be music. There's going to be food. There's gonna be a children's area. It is free to the public anybody if you haven't been up to jasper it's gorgeous anyway But you go up to jasper to rocco's it's biker friendly by the way but what they're really interested right now is if you've got something you wanna you wanna be a part of it. There needs some sponsors and you could go to rocco's jasper dot com. You can go to their facebook page. They've got reformation. Brewery is going to be sponsored with them. Coca-cola's it'll be sponsored with them They're partnering with pickens pets And you just it's they're gonna have food they're gonna fund. They're gonna family. It's going to be free to the public so there's going to be a massive crowd. If you've got got a food truck you got your vendor something. Go up to rocco's check them out at rocco's jasper dot com. You can also check out their facebook page. Iraq owes jasper It will again be may first and may second titi. Am to five pm. And they're looking for vendors. They won't people to come up and show off. They know they're going to have a crowd there. And by the way if you are in the public and you want to go it is free for you to go. Hang out at rocco's it's a place up jasper You should head up there and thank you to them for sponsoring the program The masters have they have weighed in on the georgia. Voting law and people are really really outraged at the head of augusta national. Espn is savaging. Gusta national point he's given money to republicans noticed that they don't do this. You can imagine based on me saying that what he said It wasn't supportive or or khandan condemnatory. That's the word of the lord just said we're staying out of politics. We play golf. The pga has refused to cancel. Its golf tournament in georgia. The masters or still under george. You get chased the masters even though keith olbermann melda how can you call it. The master he rates. They're not getting involved in politics. There being responsible sports champions unlike major league baseball. And you know you don't have to play the masters if you don't want to but it's part of augusta national. I have never been to gusta national a buddy of mine and i. We're going to go last year. He had tickets to go. And then of course cova happened and they cancelled it. They moved to november. There was no crowd. I still watched it. It is beautiful. It's more beautiful at this time of year. I one day. I want to go play golf there and i'm a terrible golfer so really i would have to drive the car. Drink the beer. While everybody else at the golf balls. Because i would lose the golf balls but i need to play golf. There's a golf course near me. My son wants me to get a membership so he can drive the golf cart. I need to do that. Father son time on a golf course somewhere and besides now. I'm done by three for the first time in my life Working adult. I can go hit golf balls or do something of course right. Now he'll practice fly fishing in the backyard. Because that's becoming an obsession. I'm afraid One of the members of congress who knows a thing or two about The budget and spending and taxation has to be the ranking member of the ways and means committee that would be congressman. Kevin brady from texas. He joins me by phone congressman. How are you. Hey good morning. Eric how are you. Thanks for having me on the show. Oh absolutely i am so glad to have you here and particularly in light of all these. These comments in complaints among democrats who i by the way before i get. I want to gauge your reaction to this washington post story today that is almost a lament that now suddenly democrats find themselves with just a two seat majority in the house in large part because of the biden appointments. And and the unfortunate death of alcee hastings they. They don't know what to do with themselves all of a sudden well. I wish they'd been thinking about that. Earlier as they were rushing through some of the most I think extreme socialist agenda legislation. i've ever seen In congress they really you know at this point in a presidency most are reaching out across the aisle on issues. Like covid were infrastructure. You know these guys are going it alone and As you've pointed out thanks to for doing this but you point out the covert bill had little to do with covert the infrastructure. Bill has little to do with infrastructure yet. Really doesn't and now this this Salt deduction the state and local tax issue. It looks like the they can't find common ground among the democrats on what to do with it and it seems like for years having portrayed you guys on the republican side is the party of the rich. Suddenly you've got the democrats wanting to bigger. Give a big deduction to rich. People in new york is unbelievable. Here we are trying battling our way out of the pandemic in the economy still locked down by some governors and mayors a lot of people struggling in democrats are insisting on a huge tax breaks for millionaires. Half of this salt cap repeal will go to millionaire households in predominantly high tax states. It is a big tax break for both president biden and vice president harris and Even the progressive groups are saying you know to their democratic. This is obnoxious to be giving tax breaks. You know at any point to the wealthy much less As we're trying to recover of course we noticed in new york Cuomo is trying to raise taxes yet again. And he's counting on salt cap to cover up just his brutal level of taxation look new york these the these really are tremendous states but are so brutally taxed for families and the workers. It's just unbelievable. I don't know that. Most americans understand do with the way the salt deduction works you get to deduct your state taxes from your federal taxes and now there's a cap that for years Democratic states high tax states have been able to essentially not make the public feel the burden of state taxation because they could deduct at the federal level and now suddenly they're having to wake up to what their states have done. Yeah you know. A couple of states Finally realize look. They can't hide their brutal taxation levels. anymore they have to be accountable for it. Secondly what this did was the rest of the country subsidized really five or six of these democratic states and their high taxes. So you know. Rural communities subsidized cities. Low tax states subsidize the high tax states and Governors and mayors had the green light to taxes will and so the calf of ten thousand. You know we took the national average for the salt deduction in doubled it so really. It's the states that are the biggest outliers the most extreme that are impacted by this now that gets into the corporate tax here now you guys reduced the corporate tax. We were the highest in the world renowned middle of the road. Joe biden wants to go up joe. Manchin says not so quick What i find fascinating the entire conversation well or some of the major corporations that find themselves they can have a competitive advantage against their competitors if we raised the corporate tax which tells me probably not a good idea to do it but yet the democrats just seem to think that if they raise the corporate tax it's not going to affect you and me or anyone else in. The country of these corporations had this season about corporations. It's about their workers Who pay the price. Bear the brunt of these tax increases because businesses. They don't pay the taxes they collect them. So it's it's workers workers who get hurt It is families That we all know Who are counting on these businesses for their 401k's their ira's their retirement. And of course there's no question biden's tax increases will drive will reverse what president trump and republicans did which is we brought. Us companies jobs and manufacturing back to the us. We stopped cold. The obama tax policies that drove. us companies overseas They're going to to reverse all those gains and so we're gonna fight as far as conservatives. We're gonna fight for the communities who can't survive another round of their local businesses Disappearing well one of the things that you'll did e that i appreciate it very much was a roping. Llc's more into the corporate tax structure. Because i i mean i run my business. Elsie as lawyer i advised and created tons of. Llc's is just a an easy way for people to navigate without having to go through a escort. Foresee corp and most of american businesses seems like small businesses structured that way and they're going to get deemed by the biden plan. Yeah no doubt about it in in look You know when you hear. Joe biden You know give misleading leading statements about what our tax reform did which was really drive Higher paychecks in more jobs For blue collar families in the working poor They also mislead that america's corporations don't pay their fair share. The truth matters. Most of our businesses are just as what you described. They are small businesses. What the government calls pass throughs limited partnerships In so tooth matter is that that no president has ever raised business taxes to recover from an economic crisis. These rates will be worse than china. Tax rate will be worse than china and on par with syria. And there's no question this slow hiring it's gonna lower investment here in america and i think it's gonna trigger a second wave of us businesses moving overseas it. Could you a little more time on that. Because one of the the issues like i use apple as a great example outs. It held billions of dollars. Offshore until the corporate tax was lowered than brought money in in in texas where you are invested in infrastructure Creating new jobs there win. Those attacks was lowered. Yeah at the time. Thanks for pointing out. Because at the time we did tax reform won't one of the big drivers was america's tax code was so outdated that we we're about the only major country in the world that would taxes a company here and we tax them overseas and if an american company competed in one overseas and wanted to bring those profits back to the us. The old obama biden tax code at the time punished businesses actually Push that investment away from the united we changed all that So that businesses can compete and win anywhere in the world including here in america but when they did succeed they could bring those profits zero rates back to the united states. That's why we saw record levels of in research in america. now. I know you're the ways and means committee Have been there for some time. But i wanna i wanna ask you about infrastructure. Generally because i'm kind of a. I i have to look somewhat admirably. And how the democrats just change words to suddenly childcare apparently now infrastructure Whatever they want is suddenly infrastructure and it just seems absurd to me and yet i do recognize that of federal taxes. Pay for roads and bridges and things like that and i realize we need some of infrastructure building but really i mean come on here it is just just look at the covid bill. You know had next to nothing to do with cova. Nothing about a stimulus fact. The white house still wouldn't tell us how many jobs that two trillion dollar stimulus would actually create. This is the same word. Play here very little. This has to do with infrastructure. Most of it really is green. New deal Spending a lot of social welfare spending and of course an excuse to raise taxes on On not just local businesses but they're going after Energy workers again And some of the things they do are going to hurt. like Roll fy owners. Twelve twelve million in america mainly seniors widowed They get like five hundred dollars. A month supplement To social security because these small royalty checks they're gonna wipe them out in so it is I i wish the national media were Really pulling the curtain back on this proposal because infrastructure which by the way we all agree on roads bridges ports aviation you know and broadband you know those traditional infrastructure if we if there was a focus on their. This would be a bipartisan effort. It maybe they're going to have to be because of the senate in what joe manchin is saying but it just it seems like we're back to grab bag politics. I remember as a kid The democrats were just the tax and spin party and they kind of became some sort of socially liberal party in response to conservative cultural ism and now it seems like they've gone Back to revealing who. They always have been this massive tax and spend party which i guess with joe biden having been in the senate for like fifty years. It's natural they would go back to do that. But i'm really concerned at this point with the national debt. Particularly when i see china they seem to want to be doing financial place to us like we did to the soviet union in the nineteen eighties to destabilise. Yeah there there's no question here that rahm emanuel used to say you never let a crisis go to waste and there's no question. Democrats in joe biden are using the healthcare and economic crisis to spend and put in place new entitlements of spending that will be very difficult to To to stop In terrain ian. Of course all this new spending literally six trillion dollars of spending just from congress over the past year is going to be headed into our federal budget. You know we'll blow that even further so there's no question when we take back the house as conservatives in one year and about eight months. We're going to have our work. Cut out for us to try to get the spending back under control last question before we get out of here and thank you for spending this time with me. A what are your concerns on. Inflation right now is seems like more and more people are starting to worry about that. Yeah and and there's real worry about this. I know i know some dismiss this but teeth manner is between the federal reserve and the us government spending. We do risk Run the risk of inflation. And you're starting to see that today Eric if you look in our supply chains you're seeing because there aren't enough workers to man the lines In in in production you deliveries are delayed. Those prices are spiking. It is really. It is driving inflation in manufacturing and so many of the products. You and i buy at the store Or in our local community. And so you're going at some point that inflation is going to show up and the fed has a tear. Federal reserve has a terrible track record identifying it And react to it. So yes we. The laws of economics have not been suspended in this pandemic. No they have a congressman. Listen thanks for spending time with today's it's to hear from you. You're welcome back anytime. Thank you sir eric. It's great thank you for having me on absolutely take your congressman kevin brady of houston texas Lives in the woodlands and he is the key member of ways and means ways and means committee in congress was the chairman overseeing taxation You know that committee. One of the oldest committees in congress been around since the very first day of congress In seventeen ninety five They broke it up for a little bit but they carried it out. The taxation policy obviously necessary in any event he oversaw president trump's drafting of his tax restructuring plan in two thousand seventeen and probably the expert in congress on the damage. Democrats are going to do by trying to raise the corporate tax rate as companies repatriated money into this country. The democrats don't like to talk about but it's a real deal issue all the money repatriated by these companies into the united states because we lower the corporate tax rate. That money's gonna go away if they raise it the way joe biden wants. Have you ever wondered how many lives were saved by great britain. Getting out of the eu. I know we're not supposed to talk about this. They get mad at you when you point it out. But the experts told us that large numbers of british citizens were going to die by from the european union particularly in light of cova. The guardian the left-leaning newspaper the uk lamented in a headline brexit. Means corolla virus vaccine will be slower to reach the u. k. Erin saberi him. At the washington free beacon has a story in march twenty twenty when covid nineteen bearing down europe the guardian published that headline the european union would entice drugmakers with its massive market. The article said meeting member states would get first dibs on any vaccine to make matters worse than the united kingdom was leaving a european governmental entity that allowed for accelerated assessment of new drugs experts quoted in the article warned that it would be all but impossible for britain to develop its own authorization process before the vaccines were available. Predictions of procurement crisis. Didn't come to pass but there a better description of what happened in europe than the uk were brexit. Spit up the vaccine rollout beyond anyone's expectations. Being outside the brussels bureaucracy let britain move faster and take more risks than the eu which was hamstrung by its lack of a strong central executive instead of buying vaccines individually member states led the european commission negotiate on their behalf hoping their pulled purchasing power would lead to better deals with pharmaceutical companies. But the block was so bureaucratic did the opposite thus it was britain. Not the european union that got first dibs on the pfizer and the astrazeneca vaccines and modern as well. The uk negotiated contracts with those companies catapulting into the front of the line. It was britain. Not the european union that approved astrazeneca in december a month before the europeans the uk is now vaccinated over half its population the eu less than twenty percent. The experts say the experts have made all sorts of wild historical claims about britain leaving the eu. There are a whole lot of british people who'd probably be dead today. Had they not done it Britain is going to reopen before the rest of europe The the People in great britain are coming out of their houses. The queen has been seen in public without a mask and in europe. They're rethinking lockdown. In fact franson in japan. We're going to impose easter lockdowns and the people were so angry about it. They had to back off of it. It's striking seen What's going on and it has a lot to do with the bureaucracy of brussels the busin- team bureaucracy in europe Europe because of its structure does not have a like president of the united states. Figure everything can be run. By commissioners and bureaucrats i had to take eu law in law school and it was one of the most convoluted thinks. Britain has done well to get outside the eu and if anything a lotta british skeptics of leaving the eu have now suddenly realized it was a good thing that they got out of it but time and time again these days. The experts are wrong on this stuff. The experts are beholden to conventional wisdom. The conventional wisdom turns out to be wrong and then they lacked the humility to admit they were wrong. We saw this. For example with the trump administration decision to move the american embassy in israel to jerusalem. A war was going to start. There was gonna be a war. It was going to be violent because of the arab nations would react. You had john kerry say that there could be a separate peace with other middle eastern governors. There had to be one piece the palestinians and everyone else and they were wrong. I grew up in dubai in the united arab emirates the ua. When i was a kid redacted every mention of israel in textbooks they would tear out pages about israel. They would block them out. I never saw it as rayleigh flag until i was in ninth grade. None of us aren't class trip degrees view. It was today the. Ua embassy to israel has tweeted this. We share our condolences to the victims of the holocaust in their memory. The ua affirms that the human values on which it was founded will remain firm love. Coexistence and tolerance are among the basics that humanity needs for peace to prevail. Hashtag holocaust hashtag never again all the experts that was impossible all the experts that we would never do that. All the experts that donald trump is a full for even trying. Donald trump still won't get nobel peace prize for this because they hate him but he had a lot to do with it. The united arab emirates has an embassy in israel. When i was a kid up until six months ago people up until six months ago you could not make a phone call from anywhere in the uae to israel. The satellite lines would not collect cadet. And now you've got this by the way. unlike what. The palestinian sometimes do the in arabic and in english tweeted out the same tweet. Oftentimes wood-rot nations used to do. They would say something nights in english and then something disparaging an arabic and you wouldn't be able to tell because you didn't realize they said the same thing piece in solidarity with israel. Donald trump did that. The experts were wrong on that. The experts were wrong. Great britain maybe the experts need to rethink things. Because they're so in a whole lot of doubt and by the way. I think we need experts. I i do think there are people expertise. One of the biggest problems of the twenty first century in the age of the internet. Frankly is that experts oftentimes Get outside their wheelhouse. But because they're an expert on one thing. Suddenly experts on everything else is like. Oh what's his name. Paul krugman the new york times. He's an expert on economics but he's not an expert on anything else and they treat him like he is an expert on all things he's really idiot except when it comes to a certain bit of economics The credit themselves and they allow people to cast doubt at a time. We actually need clear voices out there.

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7/23/21 - The Mo Egger Show

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7/23/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"Are you ready for some football turf. We are this. Is dave laptop and you're listening to the home of the base. Espn fifteen third right. How you doing. I'm back This is espn fifteen thirty. I'm allegra good afternoon. Thank you for listening It is awesome to be in my my normal spot love filling in for lance. There's a lot of advantages to work in at night but This is my this. Is my radio home. So thanks for Pinchitting rely pinch hit for lance. And we're back at it today. We are loaded that we're dealing with a today from conference realignment. We're gonna chat with everybody matt brown. Who's like when it comes to stuff like this. He's the god okay. He is the guy his newsletter is. Fantastic you should subscribe. It's called extra points he's gonna join. Four twenty i am going to. I'm basically gonna ask him look. Do twenty twenty-five where's the university of cincinnati. What conference were they playing football. Were they playing basketball or they competing another sports. Where tell me and matt will tell us. I hope at at four twenty. We're gonna talk some college football with our buddy phil steele at five. Thirty five as well and we're going to go to tokyo. We're going to tokyo. Just because i think it's fun to talk with people from countries that are not close to here and so karim l. czar. Who was a photo journalist. Somebody i've known for awhile. Works for the inquirer. Insensitive dot com is covering the olympics in tokyo this the olympics in a normal year i do i get into it sometimes. Do i watch it. I always say. I'm going to watch more than i actually do with everything. That's happening with these olympics. Fascinated to talk with somebody. Who's actually there's five. Twenty and some bengals ring of honor stuff including parts of my conversations with ken riley. The second ken anderson ken riley the second will be on the show at three forty. A we're starting with this on what is going to be a busy day. The reds play the cardinals tonight and david bell has told reporters. And you'll hear this here in in just a little bit. He has told reporters regarding nick cast janos by the way as of exactly two minutes ago the red starting lineup for tonight had not been revealed but just about twenty minutes or so ago. He told reporters that it has not yet been determined. If nick casting on is going to be placed on the injured list they will make a decision today. bell says of his wrist is not significantly improved today. Then he's probably headed to the injured list. If that were to be the case and i'm not in a position to say that that's going to happen or not going to happen. It does feel kind of likely he last played on monday. So you know everything would have to be retroactive to monday. Which would effectively take him out of. Pretty much every game except for next thursday before the trade deadline and that is significant. It's significant for a couple of different reasons. First of all this team. Every game is hugely important for this team. There's no getting around that you're trying to fend off the cardinals and cubs to whatever degree. Those teams pose threats. You're also trying to make up six and a half games you're also trying to compel the front office to do something and now you've got to do that. Possibly without nick castanos for at least a week and each week is huge for this team. So we'll find out that maybe the castanos showed up at the ballpark. And he's ready to go and he's healed and he wants to play and they wanna play him and he's in the lineup tonight. That again doesn't feel like the most likely outcome but But we will see but this is this thing with the reds right now for me is is very very very simple. I'm putting the onus where to a degree it shouldn't be put an putting the onus on a place where there's a really good chance you don't want me to put it okay. We all want bob castellini to to allow nick crawl to do whatever he wants to do to make the team better. I want that you want that. Bob castellini for the first time in fifteen years i think is feeling legitimate. Pushback regarding his philosophies and his practices for running the club and that pushback is deserved and so two very big degree. This shouldn't be on anybody but ownership and the people who work directly beneath ownership to make the team better but there's other information that gets added to the mix primarily six and a half games not insurmountable but pretty damn significance not something. They can't recover from but not something. That's going to be easy to recover from. A and i know man the reds schedules going to ease up here over the next two months. I've seen it. I've heard that the brewers scheduled gets exponentially more difficult in milwaukee. Starting tonight hosts a three game series against a very good chicago white sox team but but it is still so hard to make up ground. This team is twenty four and eighteen over. Its last forties. I'm doing this wrong. I'm doing this twenty six and eighteen. They've won twenty six of their last I'm sorry looking at the wrong notes. There twenty seven in one thousand nine hundred right on top of it. We can't start soon enough. Twenty seven and nineteen over the last forty six games twenty seven and ninety s. Pretty damn good man. Twenty seven in one thousand nine hundred twenty seven and nineteen over their last forty six games. I don't there's no math required on a show like this but it but if you have twenty seven and a forty six is five eighty six baseball five eighty seven baseball play five eighty seven baseball over the course of a season. You'll win ninety five games. They've played ninety five win baseball for more than a quarter of the season. Do you know how much ground they've gained on first place half game. I have game. It's hard to make up ground. And so maybe between now and next friday the trade deadline's like a week from today. Maybe between now and next friday this team is is in a position where they have erased any doubt as to what the philosophy for the front office should be maybe team roles off seven consecutive wins. Wouldn't that be fun. Beat the cardinals. They beat the cubs. They put some distance between those teams. They make him a two team race. Milwaukee loses at least a couple of times. And on the morning of july thirtieth we wake up and the reds are. I don't know three three and a half games out of first place. And if that's the case it'd be pretty clear. Cut what they at least should do which is added the team to make it better this year but the scary part is between now and next friday. The way this team is played their one five on this homestand in granted they lost five games two teams that currently lead their respective divisions. But this team is not playing very well and this homestand to this point has been an unmitigated disaster. There's no other way to put it. They've lost five out of six. They were swept by the team. They're chasing. They have lost nick casting out us at least for the majority of the homestand and perhaps for a while. They don't have michael lorenzen anymore. He got injured during this homestand. Like nothing good has happened. They won one game and it was a game in which the new york mets kept running out dudes who have barely pitched in the big leagues in a bullpen game. Nothing has gone well. And so i don't think it be too surprising. If the trend continued over the next seven games we have spent the better part of three months really wondering. What are they going to do at the deadline. Let's nick craw going to get the deadline. What relief pitching can get. Should they get a starting pitcher. Can they get trevor story and these are all legitimate questions. They're all legitimate topics. I think i've participated in them since before the season began. And i want to continue to. But frankly the onus is on this club the one that's in the dugout and on the field tonight to start winning some damn baseball games and yes. They're doing it with one hand tied behind its back. The bullpen stinks. That's not anybody on the team's fault but the bullpen stinks. They're running out the lights of. Jeff hoffman right. Now you can say whatever you want about well. Everybody has a hard time finding a number five starter. That's cool this trying to make up a six and a half game deficit and right now. Jeff hoffman is getting the ball on a regular basis. The offense has dried up. Jesse lakers not hitting anymore. Nick castanos isn't available. There's a lot of good going for this team. Like the fact that jonathan india can start getting on base like the fact that joey votto has had a pretty resurgent last couple of months. But i you hineous. Juarez isn't contributing. Nobody is really doing anything of consequence offensively. The starting pitching has been up and down the bullpens awful and all right fine. Those things all kind of happened during the course of a season and unfortunately over the last six days they've all sort of blended together in this huge cocktail of suck that has taken this team from four games at first place to six and a half games that our first place and yeah. A lot of that is a direct reflection of what the front office did to the team. But you know what the front office probably isn't going to do anything until next friday so what has to happen. This team's gonna start winning some baseball games man. That's not on any one person. That's that's not on any one area the club. This team has seven games. If i'm well there's a part of me that would like to put myself in bob. Castellini crawl shoes. Because bob castellini specifically is generational wealthy and nicotiana has one of thirty gigs. That are pretty damn good. But if i'm those two guys. I'm sitting here today and i understand that. The trade deadline deals often. Don't come together until right at the trade deadline. Remember the last couple of times. The reds made trade deadline deals. They occur too close to the last. Minute what i wanna know is. Is this team itself. Are these players going to put our franchise in a position where it makes sense for us to go and get someone or multiple players that could legitimately kick this thing over the goal line and put us in a position to actually go and compete for championship and it six and a half games that are first place and whatever number of games. They are out of the wild card which i do not care about right now. I'm not sure the answer is yes. I'm not sure the answer practically unemotionally is yes emotionally. it's a different answer emotionally is hell yes let's go. I'm tired of watching the team not play in the playoffs. Tired of watching this team. Not advance in the postseason. Do what you gotta do and get us there. But i'm not sure that that's how the front office is going to operate if what they were doing. This past off season was based on emotion. They wouldn't they wouldn't have have pulled away dudes from the bullpen and got nothing in return for them so yes. I want the reds to make the team better. I want the reds to go all in on winning. But it's up to this team in a very short amount of time to put itself in a position where the choice of what to do with. The deadline is crystal clear. I don't know that it is right now for a practical unemotional standpoint. I don't know that the answer is yes. I don't know if i'm looking at. This team is currently constructed. That i say boy. Atta bullpen arm. And i'll tell you what they're ready to take off. That's not saying they should have a fire. Sale selling doesn't have to mean a ten year. Rebuild doesn't mean anything like that but this is very very simple for me. We as much as we love to just yell and scream about the owner and god knows. I've done my share. That as much as we love to speculate about what. Nick crawl may or may not be able to do or should or shouldn't do at the trade deadline and god knows i love doing that. The reality is this baseball team as constructed right now for all of its its flaws for all of the things that has good going for it. Teams going to start writing. Awesome victories man because they just lost five out of six lose five year next six serious lose five year next six and guess what. Forget being a buyer then. We have to talk about what what comes next. I don't wanna do that. I'm not even really sure crawl wants to do that. In fact i know he doesn't the winning has to start and that's not the most nuanced take. I admit that but before we start you know getting all googly eyed about what they might do at the deadline. Can you win some games this weekend. Can we find somebody that can give them some semblance of reliability out of the bullpen. Twee get a hit in a big situation. We stop giving away leads score. Eleven runs tonight. Can we win the damn game by the by the way nick crawl has been placed on the injured list. Say nick nick sti says nick. Nick crawl is not on the injured list. Nick castalanos has been moved to the ten day injured list. That just came down. Thanks for bringing that to my attention so there you go but i mean look have all the fun we want with the trade deadline all the fun. We want that trade deadline. What should they do. who should they get. Do they wanna overpay. Who's who's going to be. Who's going to be. It's going to be deemed untouchable dude. None of it matters man and other matters that this collection of players that we all really like that is all provided a lot of fun this summer. These guys are probably going to have to achieve a little bit over these next seven games because if they're sitting there today six or a week from today six and a half games out of first place i don't know i don't know that you can make an overly compelling argument that they should at least go all in on winning eighteen after three. Let's see here nick. Castanos ten-day injured list. Eleo lopez has been called up amir garrett goes on the three day paternity list. Vladimir gutierrez is back on the roster jose daily on who was. Dfa recently was released in unclaimed on waivers so The headliner. Nick has tiana's on the injured list. Lael lopez called up amir garrett three day tournament list and vladimir good years back on the roster to replace him loaded today eight hundred three at mo- agar college realignments coming back. I don't know that. I have the energy i because two thousand sixteen was kind of exhausting but there is something that if you're a bearcat fan if you're a uc supporter. You could absolutely hang your hat on that you could not five years ago. We'll spend some time on that next before i for three. This is espn fifteen thirty. My name is malaysia. If you're just joining us where the hell you been. The cincinnati reds have placed nicotiana on the injured list retroactive to tuesday they have placed on the Three day paternity list left ear garrett. They've called up removal eleo lopez and vladimir goodyear. They released right handed pitcher jose daily own. Nothing against jose daily owned but back in back in december i was. I was patted on the head often. Whenever i would say they have to drain away rice. Mcglesias oh how do you not follow the puerto rican winter league like no. I sorry no i. I don't why. Jose daily own is striking out. Everybody meat is he to get hitters out in in the united states and the big leaks nor the answer was no so twenty five minutes after three o'clock five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty in just under one hour. We're going to have on a guy by the name of matt. Brown matt brown has been on this show a few times. He was on just a couple of weeks. Ago is is going to be on with us. Today he covers off field issues in college. Sports and his newsletter is fantastic. And we're going to talk about college conference realignment. Which i i'm here for because there is a there is at least something new here. Which is the oklahoma and texas seemingly on the doorstep of the sec and reportedly kansas sniffing around the big ten what the fallout might be and certainly with the fallout. Might be for for you. See this got to be just excruciating. Five years ago. I in fact i joked about this on twitter in two thousand sixteen i was. I was emailed every single day. I see this every single day for like seven weeks from this guy who was insisting on letting me know that this is happening you see to. The big twelve is happening again. You're the grindstone dude. Wasn't unfriendly wasn't antagonistic. Every single day it it blew up. It never happened and it got it. Got older got stale. But but i i i certainly want. Uc's conference situation to be better. And i wanted to be as lucrative as possible. And i wanted to help out the sports programs as much as possible. I'm here that if that means the remnants of the big twelve invite uc okay. Let's do it. I'm here for all of that. But i maintain what i said five years ago that at that point when the big twelve said yeah. We're not inviting anybody. We're not expanding on the heels of three years. Prior when the looked at uc louisville and took a louisville. I remember five years ago. Going look number one. All you can do as a bear cat fan or bearcat. Supporter is continuing to support your favorite teams. In whatever way you want to do that. That's that's all you can do number two. All the school can do is put it put itself in the best possible situation to be the school that jumps to the front of the line the next time when. Not if when there's another round of conference realignment. I think has done that and it's happened. Mostly obviously on on the shoulders of the football program. But if you go back to the last time we were talking about this it didn't exactly feel like the football program was on very steady ground. It was being met with a lot of apathy around town. It was not a national player in any regard. Nobody was talking about it five years later. Luke fickle got a program that is quite possibly quite likely. I think it'll be in the top ten of both major polls to start. The season fans are engaged. Fans are coming there. There are a lot of reasons to look at the recent success of the football program and believed that this program can have long term success. Luke fickle appears to be the real deal in terms of providing some level of stability in. And even if you were to leave at some point soon. Five years in college. Football is any tardy. There's only forty two coaches who have been at their respective institutions longer than five years. Luke pickles bennett. Uc longer than more than half of f. b. s. college. Football coaches have been at their schools. Plus look basketball was in very good last year but there is a new basketball arena. It is awesome. It feels to me like the school itself from an athletic standpoint and otherwise has done a really good job of positioning itself as best as possibly can to be desirable when there's conference realignment and it's always been a matter of when and it appears that that when is now in what form is not gonna take. I don't know what's going to happen with the big twelve. I don't know is that legal dissolve. You don't know. Nobody knows what i can tell you is this. I feel pretty confidence saying this. That compared to where the school was athletically. Five years ago there in fat city right now. They look really really good. There's a lot to like. They've got a genuine bona fide football asset and doesn't mean they would be invited to a newly formed. Big twelve doesn't mean they would be invited to another conference that would have some big name schools in it but the part that you see could control i feel like it has and that makes me feel pretty good as we sit on the doorstep of another. I'm sure exhausting. Next couple of weeks and months of conference realignment talk three thirty on. Espn fifteen thirty on twitter. Bo egger matt brown. The guy that i was talking about will join us at four twenty. We'll actually talk about some college football stuff on the field with our buddy phil steele at Five thirty five talk about the season's coming up for uc ohio state kentucky miami and maybe more. We'll find out five thirty five. But i i've got the next four for you on espn cincinnati sport station. Sure have it's twenty four away from For this is espn fifteen thirty. I'm egger it's nice to be in my My normal spot. It's always good to be in a normal spot in Rush plays nick nicotiana on the ten day injured list retro to tuesday obviously hit on the wrist microfracture. He says hit on the rest of the week ago tonight. Against the milwaukee brewers cincinnati is also placed on the three day paternity list amir garrett up from aaa or infielder Lopez who. I like and which i'm sure is really important. Him by the way and vladimir gutierrez. He is back. We'll see what role he plays. Perhaps help out the bullpen. Just a little bit a couple of other things here really really quickly is the reds could set to take on the saint louis cardinals tonight. It's great american ballpark. By the way that game will start at seven ten tonight on seven hundred wwl w seven ten tonight seven tomorrow and then the home stand. 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You're going to hear in about five minutes conversation with ken. Riley the second whose dad was elected as one of the inaugural members of the bengals ring of honor. He can anderson winning a vote that resulted in. Not just those. Two guys getting in inducted into the bengals ring of honor on september the thirtieth but effectively beating out fifteen other guys who were also on the ballot and i made an on air plea. I don't know in this was mayor. Jun i made an on air plea for those who are voting to do the right thing and vote for kenny anderson and ken riley so i feel like bengals fans who voted. They got this right. This these were the two guys. This is not a snub. Nobody nobody who is left on the outside looking in got snubbed. there are going to be other bengals. Ring of honor inductees. I had somebody tweet me yesterday. That this was an affront to boomer esiason well ken anderson's a better than boomer sizing and i say that as somebody boomers my favorite all time. Nfl player. he's also older than boomer. Assize sizing ken. Anderson has a hall of fame case boomer. Frankly does not so this to me was about a couple of different things number one to a degree writing. some wrongs. it's a shame that can riley himself cannot be there on september the thirtieth he passed away last year and i think there's something about that generation of players that We wanna make sure those who deserve an honor like this. Get it so they can enjoy it. So it's not a bittersweet moment for their family and then obviously can't happen with ken riley not that. There's anything physically wrong with ken anderson buddy seventy two years old. He's here he's healthy he's vibrant. He's with us. He's going to be there. He should get that moment because the worst thing in the world to me would be. He gets that moment when it's too late for him to enjoy the moment esa feel like there's something as simple as those two guys have the best hall of fame cases of any bengal and that doesn't mean there aren't other cases. I spent time at a podcast this week talking about corey dillon's hall of fame bona fides. And he's got him and i. I can make a case for willie anderson hall of fame bonafides. He's got him. Those aren't the only former bengals who have hall of fame bona fides. But i think ken riley is one of the most agreed to snubs. And i think ken anderson has a very good case. If we were to do a list of the bengals who have the strongest case to be inducted into the hall of fame right now. I think the conversation starts with those guys which means the ring of honor has to start with those guys and it will and they won. And i'm thrilled for them. The fun part now moving forward though is gonna be who gets in next who gets in in subsequent years who gets deemed worthy of being in the inner ring of honor and who's kind of on the outside looking in who ends up being the best player not in the bengals ring of honor. I kind of feel like the next class for for my money. Should include johnson look. He's the most identifiable bengal maybe ever certainly very huge generation of people a phenomenal player. And i think responsible for a lot of people becoming bengals fans. I put corey dillon in that class. Ed corry dylan's hall of fame cases better than a lotta people realize higher yards per carry average than jerome beddis. He won a super bowl ring. He was the best player on the. Oh four patriots. I toiled for some truly awful teams has to iconic games. He certainly deserves to be in the bengals ring of honor. I would i would. Then go willy anderson if you were to look at and this is a somewhat flawed metric. But but i'll use it nonetheless. Pro football reference has a metric called a approximate value conduct. The word approximate approximate value. The greatest player in terms of the approximate value in bengals history. According to pro football reference is anthony munoz. That would come as no surprise to anybody. Number two is ken. Anderson number three is ken riley number four willie and i think if you want to talk about bengals who have hall of fame cases. He's like that next guy in line. Fact he's commissioned pro football focus to do a study for him on his behalf and a guy you know. He always gets associated with the franchise turnaround but but also toiled and played very well for a number of really bad teams. Which doesn't help his cause. I would put him in the ring of honor and then go forrest gregg. I put him as the first non player. Non paul brown figure was not here exceptionally long but had a winning record here. Thirty two and two thousand five and took a team to assemble and it was a coach of the team and again the bengals one that is the most memorable and talked about game in the history of the franchise wasn't here for exceptionally long period of time did not win a championship. Had a really rough time in green bay as the head. Coach had a really rough time in. Cleveland is the head coach but he didn't hear over a two year stretch. He went one thousand nine hundred. Six between eighty-one and eighty to eighty two. The strike shortened year took a team to a super bowl. Should've been alive to enjoy the moment. Unfortunately no longer is passed away a couple of years ago. That would be my four for the next go around so there. He goes sixteen away from four o'clock more on the reds and baseball and a lot of college. Realignment coming up at four twenty. There is something that i genuinely. Kind of. Fear about the reds. If they don't make the postseason. I'll get to that coming up at four zero five but i can. Riley was elected to the bengals ring of honor and you'll hear my conversation with his son next on. Espn fifteen thirty injured lists now. It's not tarrant. Twelve away from Fort twelve away from four. This is espn fifteen thirty. My name is allegra. I mentioned we have kareem. Elga czar from tokyo is going to call the show at five twenty. Do we think we can a phone call to tokyo and be cool. We have billionaires sending rockets to space. Can we call tokyo. That's what i wanna know. We'll find out together at five twenty But i Ken riley the second. Is ken riley son ken. Riley elected into the bengals. I ever ring of honor class. Ken the second with me. What has congratulations to your dad. And your family first of all what has since you got the phone call and as you've been processing all this over the last couple of days for you and your family what's this experience been like if been a naked parents just to get a call from the mike brown and there's a bit am-among was on the phone and into here The dubrow speaks highly and my father and just knowing being a part of the inaugural class going in with Coach paul brown and ken anderson Is a just a great honor. And it's something that he deserved. And i guess it was here to see it and just to hear you know so many of the former players and so many of the fans speak highly other than he was so well respected Definitely makes us feel good and we appreciate all the kind words that is uh talk about. What do you think this particular honor would have meant like to your dad. What do you think he would say about this. It would have to be at the top of the top because he paid for cincinnati It's entirely career. He always you know. Cincinnati was his team so definitely would be a great honor in something. He would have a terrorist. You you played college football for your dad. So you're old enough to have remembered. I guess the tail end of his career but but now as as an adult what what do you remember about his playing days Pretty much everything i just. I remember like as far as i remember him playing in him to be able to play for fifteen years. I was paying it either ten or eleven twelve when he retired so i remember vividly Watching him We actually live in florida but To catch all the highlights and watch eight. That was all waste you know. Nfl package at a time. So just trying to get a glimpse of the highlights or any mention of the bengals. So i i remember it all though and like you said i play for him in college florida so this some great memories. What's what's always been kind of remarkable to me about. Your dad is extraordinarily long and successful career. And it's not like his career petered out in one thousand nine hundred three at the age of thirty six. He's an nfl. All pro first time ever at the age of thirty six. He could have kept going when you're kid. And he's doing all this and he's playing in the super bowl and he's putting together this this great career. That is a hall of fame worthy career. Are you aware of the fact that your dad is not just an nfl player but one of the best in the league or did it take a while for it to sink in like my dad didn't just play. He was really really among the best of the best at the time as a kid. Of course you don't really take it there. I just thought it was normal 'cause you know you see a lot of the other players kids but it was just normal for me because pretty much just like i say as far as i can remember always remember him. You know working out running. he's he. We're he's running where we in the car you know. He's riding a bicycle. I'm going with them to to work out so it was just something that he constantly worked out throughout the year. And at the time Like i said i wasn't. It really didn't mean that much. But as i started playing myself and realizing wait a minute. It's hard to get into substance. Wait a minute. It's hard to stay in shape. And i just the admiration and respect as i got older and realize like what he put himself through into. Do it for fifteen years and like you said. At aged thirty six he was actually still at the top of his game and that was something that he was fired because he felt that he wanted to go out on top. And you know something nothing tank and so that was something that he would take great pride in and always being an inch. What would he say to you. There are there are probably folks listening to this conversation. Who don't realize when when he became a pro he never played corner. He was in college. He was a quarterback. What what did he say about what. It was like to make that transition. It was a lot of pressure because he actually got married like a couple months before that and win he got drafted. You know during that time camp well he told me was like six seven weeks and it was about forty you know. Safety cornerback combined and to make that transition not only never play defense at all even high school and to go play highest level. It was a lot a lot of pressure but one of the things that he's extremely competitive and he had some college teammates as well. The high school teammates make it to the professional league and he saying the biggest thing is mad that they could do it he could do. He knew he had the athletic ability to to play. And of course you know very smart so with that along with his competitive spirit. He's able to make that transition. And like i said just thinking about it. You never playing high school. Never never playing offense at all in being to and transition to play in the highest level at the highest level conversation. And do it for so long. It's just remarkable to even think about it. At this time ken riley. The second is with us. His dad ken riley name. Today is one of the four members of the inaugural bengals ring of honor class. I mentioned you played for him. At florida am where he had played had been. The head. coach ultimately was the athletic director. What what was it like to play college football for your dead. well one. The reason i went never felt this. And that i couldn't get any more. You know schooling. It was just amazing to see. And you know if i'm making mistake. He can immediately tell me the false. He mealy correct me. At that moment. I mean he was very you student other game. He also do that with my roommate. Who's the quarterback. Even to this day you know well you know. In the past we watch games and he immediately pick up on something and see what the corner was doing wrong so he was definitely in the game and he was a technician and so it was an awesome experience the platform and it was something i would cherish forever. You'll get no argument for me that your dad belongs in canton and and i hope that happens one day when it does. I'm going to call you and we're going to talk about it but it has to make you feel good that there's been movement led by bengals fans. You know they. I know you're you're aware of it. But all the fans that gathered in canton last month and they had a rally and it was it was it was in good taste right. They supported the hall of fame. They hung out. I mean it's a protest. This is a very sort of grassroots movement to make people aware that. Hey here's a guy who is among the greatest quarterbacks who ever lived. Who's done things in this sport. That men in the hall of fame having done and he deserves at least a stronger looked and he's gotten from my money. He deserves to be inducted. Short of his induction. It does have to make you feel good that there are so many people who remember your dad playing and have taken up his cause and even folks like me who are a little bit too young to remember him playing but would also take his 'cause like you say thank you for this. This guy's like you said. Give me the opportunity coming. speak being jim i told him i was give a sat out a remarkable i his Memorabilia is second to none but he has a great that he loves the bengals and he actually came down to my Father's of bob's tournament and he made a special trip to drive our and a half him and his life to come down and meet me. And i can never say enough about him and the rest of the fans I i am all social media. Nfc the love and supporting williams as you know season as well. And he's like. I wish more former players. Actually you know you mean you so they can see it because it doesn't go on this and it really really can't say enough. I really from the bottom mahar families were really appreciate the love. I support that they give him and hopefully one day he will get that call. Then i wish i could meet. Everybody always makes you. I definitely Plug the fans because the fans you know. I don't know where it would be. But they have really got behind my father but all the other Former being agrees and it's really good to see elizabeth doing a great job like they. They're starting with on it. And i just see a lot of great things to come down. But young and exciting team with joe borough and Kanada got chased and wide receiver food. And i just wish him nothing but the best know that. My father was cheered for him. And i do as well so I just like i said thank you guys but opportunity Come on speak about them in You know it really means a lot go. There's ken riley the second. There is more of that conversation on my website which is espn fifteen dot com slash mo. The castanos heads to the injured. List retroactive tuesday's. So this team is basically going to have to get through the period of time between now and the trade deadline without their best player. That and what. I fear if the reds don't make the playoffs next no-one covers bengals likely. Spn fifteen cincinnati sticks thank you. I'm glad i'm glad you said that. Because here's what's happening on this radio show starting monday We have hourly training camp updates every hour training camp three forty four forty five forty with tony. Pike every single afternoon. But we're not waiting until training camp for those to start. The look like the first like practice is going to be wednesday. Argh is gonna be calling in once an hour starting on monday. We're doing training kim. Reports even before training camp really starts. Who who else is doing that. Taryn find out for me find out. They claim they're doing that. Guess what they're lying. how you doing. My name's allegra. This is espn fifteen thirty. Are you swigging from a bottle of vodka is that is that what i saw there is that what is that bottle of water wishful thinking body armor wishful thinking on my part coming up in about fifteen minutes. A conference realignments going to happen. Right texas oklahoma. They're they're trying to go to the sec. And maybe. Kansas wants to go to the big ten. Who knows what's going to happen to the big twelve. Who knows what all this is going to mean for the university of cincinnati. Our buddy matt brown from extra points can provide some insight. I will ask him. Where's you see going to end up. You'll hear from him coming up in about fifteen minutes and also a part of my conversation with ken anderson. We just heard ken riley son can andersen obviously elected to the bengals ring of honor. We're having a chat with him at four forty. I'm excited for that. Casting on us goes on the injured list and so i mean here. We are at this critical juncture season. And nick gaston us. The teams best player is not available on. The interest retroactive to tuesday. So that takes us toward the end of next week. It's ten days to the simple math here next friday cast. The honest will not play another baseball game before the trade deadline now aristide is a keno is going to play right field. So there's two things. I wonder about that. One would be does giving him a chance to play on a semi regular basis entice. Another team just enough that he become somebody they look at it and go. We'll take him. We'll give that a chance to play every single day. Not going to have to pay all that much. What try him out in right field. We'll see if he can hit right. Handers we'll see if he can consistently hit breaking stuff off speed stuff. We'll give him a shot. This is maybe just a week. Who knows specifically when cast is gonna come back but this is conceivably aristide as aquino's first real stretch of consistent playing time to whatever degree you wanna use the word consistent really since two thousand nine hundred nine. Does he do something during this time. That compels another team to maybe make trade with the reds because they want aristide. There's a keno. Does he do enough. And i can extend this conversation beyond the next seven days but does he take advantage of an opportunity to play now the punisher and take enough of an of an advantage to enough advantage of the opportunity. That's now going to be giving him. Does he take advantage of that. Enough i should say does he take advantage of the opportunity. Enough to compel the reds to say you know what moving forward that's gonna be a guy that we want to give an everyday spot to or at least we want to give a really fair legitimate chance to earn an everyday spot. Basically does aristide as aquino become on us replacement next year. That to me is kind of interesting. There are a couple of things i do. Fear about the reds. Maybe not making the playoffs which none of us wanted to have an obviously but but there's a couple of things here one is an i. Maybe giving them the benefit of the doubt that they don't deserve. But there's there's a part of me that goes. This is kind of falling apart here in the second half of the season. And that's maybe a little bit of a premature outlook. But things have been rough since the all-star break right lost five out of six castanos. Her lorenzen her. This was a team. That top to bottom is pretty decent. But not without flaws. And it's an organizational sort of way of doing things in terms of building the roster that i think most of us would like to change what i hope and what i fear is that we get to the end of the season. The reds are not in the postseason and the excuse of well we had a bunch of injuries is thrown out there a little bit too much to cincinnati reds. Do not need an overhaul. They don't need things to be blown up. They don't need to start from scratch that that doesn't make any sense. Not with some of the younger in their primer soon to be in their prime guys the reds have but they do have some tweaks that need to be made and they do have to start adopting the philosophy that we're not gonna just give players away in an effort to shave payroll. I wonder though how much things could remain effectively. Unchanged if if they don't make the postseason if they can hang their hat on the the selling point of well look how many injuries we had to deal with during very critical junctures of the season. There's also this to me think about really what happened. Over the last couple of years in baseball i think largely the conversations about things like the shift and the minimum and the can be permanent. I think a lot of that is a distraction. I think a lot of that is a distraction from what these central issue in. This sport really is the central issue in this. Sport is not the games take too long. Could they be trimmed sure. But that's not the central issue in this sport. The central issue in this sport isn't well. We've got to get these baseball games over with as soon as possible. Let's put a guy on second base to start the tenth inning. That is a solution in search of a problem. There is no epidemic of there being too many baseball games that go nine thousand nine innings or fifteen innings for that matter the central issue. That baseball has is not enough teams. Try not enough teams. Try not enough teams really making a good faith effort to do everything they can to win the world series. Some of those teams could be certainly excused the pittsburgh pirates. This past offseason made no sense for them to sort of go all in with the team. They had but you talk about like mobilizing people getting people excited. Getting people pumped up giving people to the ballpark getting people to talk baseball again. Let's start seeing teams try to win the cincinnati reds if you remember in two thousand nine hundred and two thousand twenty got a lot of credit. Why because they tried. Then i remember even saying a couple of times got know. Restaurant office is getting a lot of credit because in in a game in which there's a lot of teams not trying their at least kind of trying. And i think we've reached a low point when we commend sports teams for trying to win. But that's where we where we have been what i wonder about. Is this threads. Were not the only team that cut payroll this past off season. I think they were one of the only teams. That didn't do it very strategically. A lot of teams did that. A lot of teams shaved their respective payrolls. This year san francisco did. They're having a great year. Milwaukee did they're obviously having a very good year. We've we've seen that we've seen that right up close but there's a lot of teams and we've seen it with the cubs. We've seen it with the cardinals that they sell the excuse. They spend a lotta time selling the excuse that financially. We can't go for right now so we had to trade aware best players. We have to go young. We have to sit out free agency. What i fear if the red specifically if the reds don't make the playoffs is that not only are we gonna look back on this year. It's an opportunity. Missed not only going to look back at this year. An opportunity missed because bob castellini chose to get rid of pitchers without really replacing them with established big leaguers but more than anything come next year teams are going to start trying again. I mean let's be honest the cubs and cardinals to a degree willingly crack the door open to somebody else to win this division. A pittsburgh was never going to bust through. Milwaukee might might the reds could have instead the reds. This past off season retreated. I mean a lot of the hype even go back to before last year pre pandemic when they spent all that money on castanos and wade miley and shogo akiyama might stock as they got a lot of credit. Not because they assembled a team that was a sure bet to win the division that was guaranteed to win over one hundred games. They got credit for simply trying and i wonder how much teams are going to wake up to the to the fact that the thing that hurts the game the most is the fact that teams don't try thus compelling teams to actually try and by the time everybody else starts trying there you have the reds who suddenly face a more competitive landscape than they've even had this year or last because there are no longer the only team trying quarter after four on. Espn fifteen thirty zero eggar. We have a lot of good stuff on the blog. The spf fifteen. Thirty dot com. Including my conversation with ken riley the second but first going in with ken riley the seconds dad and the bengals inaugural ring of honor class will be a can anderson. We'll chat with him coming up at four forty but first before that conference realignments happening again. What's this going to mean for. Uc where will the bearcats end up matt brown from extra points who is a great guest joins us next. Ah politics on this show. It's a general rule of mine. I wanna talk politics. This is not a political statement. I'm just saying this okay. New doesn't exactly make that. Podcast sound exciting. It may be great. I haven't listened yet. He doesn't really make it sound just like man. I got gotta hear what newt's doing down there on that podcast up. Matt brown has a very very good newsletter. it's called extra points and you should subscribe. I had met on this show about a year ago. At this time i think for the first time ever and this is after years of reading him various outlets and he was writing extensively about what college football season was going to be like. Would we have a season. What would determine whether we had a season if we had a season. how would it unfold. And he was awesome. And i remember saying like you're gonna want this dudes newsletter when conference realignment becomes the thing again. We'll guess what conference realignments thing again. Texas and oklahoma trying to move to the sec and that could happen as soon as monday. Dot become official as soon as monday according to a couple of different reports. Obviously the next question we all have here is wait a minute. How's this going to impact university of cincinnati. I will ask matt that but first. Let's talk about quickly. The texas and oklahoma thing. It feels like a lot of people were blindsided by this where you honestly i think a lot. I mean i'll be honest. I was surprised. I was a little bit blindsided And i think that's true for a lot of ministry this within the big twelve because they figured that these actions aren't going to happen for another year. It's not really a big surprise to texas. Wants to test the proverbial free agency waters. There's a enormous difference in terms of what they're able to generate financially and what their peers in the big twelve or able to do and they were one foot out the door. This conference a couple of years ago but now especially like right in the middle of media days when they're still several years left on this current big deal and extracting themselves could be very expensive. That is a little bit of a surprise and it caught a lot of administrators in college. Sports off guard within the that the american athletic as well so as you. Well know the moment that this started to become even a rumor before we've had anything concrete. There are folks who followed this very very closely five years ago. Who were heartbroken that the university of cincinnati did not get an invite to the big twelve. Who immediately perked up and happened almost instantly wondering what's this going to mean for the university of cincinnati. I'll put this to you. What what could the events of this week mean ultimately for the university of cincinnati. Sure so on one hand. I think the bearcats are in a because if texas and oklahoma leave the big twelve and that's absolutely the odds on betting favorite outcome right now you have the remaining eighteen. That's really need to expand The problem is that whether you add. Cincinnati or cincinnati in boise and byu or any other litany approach other five programs. There's no combination of two four or six. Get you anywhere close to the tier one television revenue that you would have had texas and oklahom- the big twelve television share right now is between thirty. Eight and forty million dollars a year from espn and fox. And what i've been told. Is that if those eight school stick together and they bring in cincinnati and they bring in a couple of peers. You're looking at something in the twelve to fifteen seventeen million dollar range so on one hand if you're cincinnati. You might think i mean. Hey that's still pretty good. You get the economy five conference. You're you have a pretty clear passes potential playoff if you this twelve team format and you're gonna make more money than you do in the american and you'd never have to see you ever again. Is that tower league in the big twelve is right now. I think the mow. The best scenario is honestly. It's twenty twenty four and cincinnati is playing in a gentrified version of the old big east. Football conference was collection of good but not great and certainly not football championship caliber teams. But it gets any more stable place. Where the american is now that. I think it's certainly a possibility. Will the big twelve even exist by them. That's a great question. And what. I can tell you right now. All eight of those schools. They're telling each other note. We're going to stick together. We want to keep this thing going as long as we can as soon as they get out of that meeting. They're texting every president every athletic director and every consulting company that deals of conference realignment that they possibly can because they want to know their backup. Plant all for all the rest of eighties. None of them are really especially attractive to any other power league independently. You only one. That has any national brands in any sport is kansas and while kansas basketball is an absolutely attracted some football fcs level. It's athletic department. That is rife with. Scandal is not really strong and a lot of other olympic sports And football drive bus for these television deals and everybody else. They're they're fine programs they're the regional schools. They're generally not aau institutions so. They're not really appealing to the big ten in the pack full academic breath and they don't bring anything to the table. That isn't already there. So is it possible. One or two of those teams ends up jumping into the twelve of big ten. Like maybe They're all gonna try to stick together but they're they're much less valuable without texas and oklahoma Then they were win when they were involved whenever the university of cincinnati specifically brought up as possibly moving to the big twelve inevitably. Somebody'll say well. That sounds good. I'd rather join the acc. And so and i'll be honest with you. I think from a basketball perspective. That's extraordinarily intriguing and from a football perspective. Yes it's better than the ac you have in the big twelve right now. West virginia which has never. It's never seemed like a fit. Even now and i follow west virginia basketball because bob huggins the basketball coach. Used to be here. Like i turned the tv on west. Virginia's playing oklahoma state. Just it seems weird. And then all this time they've been in the big twelve. There's always been a travel partner right and that never happened. And i think that's what a lot of cincinnati supporters hung their hats on Five years ago thinking well. Maybe the want to add a travel partner for west virginia morgantown. Cincinnati a pretty close. Maybe that's what will happen. That didn't happen. Could you envision a scenario. Because i think there are fans of uc sports who have who have who have are envisioning this themselves. Where west virginia looks to go somewhere. They jumped to the acc and maybe they could somehow compelled league to invite cincinnati to come with them. I think that's pretty unlikely impossible. Because quite frankly if and i were talking three weeks ago and you would ask me the handicap. This exact conversation that were happening. I would say it's pretty unlikely for this year. So here we go. Acc right you haven't already very large leak. Which means that any time that you expand by any number any sport you are leading the regular season scheduling ability. You're deluding a lot of historical rivalries With every new mouth. So if you bring in somebody else at this point it's really incumbent upon it a fifteen week to add somebody with a lot of star power. There's a huge incentive for the acc actually to get that extra because they're in a really add long-term television contract right now. Everyone else is gonna be new their deal and the next five years and the acc stuck with espn's current deal twenty thirty and they did. That took a sweetheart deal so they could get cable network question then becomes if i add west virginia and cincinnati is that going to be enough to force. Espn to rip up this deal and come back to the bargaining table and increase all of our per school shares by eight to ten million dollars a year. I don't think that that's true if it's west. Virginia and notre dame or west virginia and cincinnati bengals. Then yeah i you know then that changes things a little bit. I don't think that would be enough to force redoing that deal and that's the big reason. Acc wants to do it a question that that is maybe stupid and has little to do with you. See but as we were talking about the the sustainability of the big twelve after texas and oklahoma leave nebraska jumped at the top of my mind. And i again you talk about weird fits whenever ohio state plays nebraska. I go okay all right. Yeah that's right. Nebraska's in the big ten from a football perspective they've become they've gone from a perennial national power to very much a national afterthought but they still have huge. Following is still have an enormous tradition. Could could you see something. We're maybe in. This again could be a stupid question. we're nebraska would go. You know what this big ten things not working. We come crawling back to the big twelve effectively. Run the league. It's not a stupid question. And and this is what i think is important for fans to understand the conference realignment. These are not deficient that coaches make decisions by and large wreck. Think these are made at the university president gents and sometimes even with the governor at that level and you know those are individuals often have agendas or being pushed in directions. that are different than just. Who's going to be good at football. And here's what i can tell you. The last year is that i think nebraska's cultural fit in the big ten was tested a number of different levels beyond just football. And what we're seeing right now. Nationally is that a lot of these state. Universities are being won by more partisan and more politically and culturally like Orange tide ri. That's definitely happening right now. In the south starting to happen in nebraska which is a blood red state and the who entirely possible at their next governor isn't an regent who wants to crack down on the overly liberal progressive faculty at nebraska right. And if you are a faculty or president at rutgers and or maryland penn state or somebody who's places and you're looking at what's happening in nebraska and you're thinking this what we signed up for our we. Do we want to deal with all of this baggage and all of these battles for a rich verse for somebody that that. That's the only bringing athletically to the table. What we get from purdue who at least knows their place so is it. Is it likely that nebraska i think would leave and go to the big twelve. No because they would be taking an enormous financial haircut. But when you look at some of the kinds of people that are beginning to make these decisions so i think that that puts in the realm of possibility. Yeah decide what if we want to go into a league where all of our pierce are going to be run the way that we share our values that we have to listen to penn state again. I think that's outside of the roma possibility. I really don't i crystal ball. Let me bring it back to the university of cincinnati. You're always generous with your time. I want people to subscribe to the extra points newsletter. And if you haven't already this is the time in which are going to want wanna do it Crystal ball two thousand twenty five. The university of cincinnati as as an institution exists athletically. Where i think. I do not know. What's new remnants of the big twelve conference or when to be called whether the new league becomes the american athletic whether it becomes the big eight has twelve teams whether it's called the the great plains allies and friends conference. But i think. Cincinnati is playing in the league with west virginia with iowa state with kansas state And with some other large but not state flagship institutions throughout the great plains. Mountain states And potentially one or two in the and it would be the experience pretty similar to what they went to big east. And they're really to something. Maybe you have feelings towards that. Maybe you don't. But i think the quality of league that you're in i don't perceive you gotta go back to tulsa i. Just you know what anything that would keep me from having to go to greenville. North carolina ever again. I'm that to me is is anything that accomplishes that i'm here for very quickly. And you're always awesome and i know i'm gonna be bothering you often because this is just going to go on forever for for folks who have not subscribed and you put a ton of work into this so i i want people go to tell folks about extra points extra points. Is they newsletter. That publishes four days a week. 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It's my pleasure anytime my friend you got at his pleasure. Mine is well nick. Kazianis to the injured list will give it the red starting lineup here. Part of my conversation with ken anderson all coming up next ten minutes on espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station and adele guy. Remember that guy like in two thousand. He was too young sports. Updates surface kelsey chevrolet. Ask home of lifetime. Powertrain protection guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsey chef dot com. I am late. I wanna talk about my poll question. I don't have time. What i can do is tell you the red starting lineup tonight. India winker stevenson suarez aquino farmer molly reds and cardinals tonight. I pitch seven ten seven hundred. Wliw castanos goes on the injured list. Retroactive to tuesday. This whole thing when the cassidy autos for a couple of days. David nells like well. You know we we think he might be able to play tomorrow or he could be available in the podcast. And he's like buddy. I can't even swing a bat awesome. Amir garrett goes on the paternity list alot pez and vladimir gutierrez are up their ego brennaman jones on baseball's coming up at about ten minutes. But first you'll hear part of conversation with bengals ring of honor. Inductee ken anderson next brennaman. John baseball just a couple of minutes away. We think there may be going to be talking about baseball. Have we say we cut music from the budget Yesterday we found out to. Nobody surprised that ken anderson is going to be in the inaugural class of the bengals ring of honor. He'll be inducted along with ken. Riley anthony moon news and paul brown on september the thirtieth i had ten on seven hundred wwl w last night and i asked him about what is honor means. Wow i i think number one obvious personally honored. But i'm i'm so happy because you know as you know and the national media the the bengals don't get a lot of respect sometimes and when you go back to the sixties seventies eighties. We were as good as any team in the national football league. And they'll certainly you know people remember more about the eighty one super bowl today. But you know when i go back to the seventies and you know the guys played in the sixties and seventies. We have some great players. Obviously you know kenny riley. Being one of them. But you know. I look back. You know myers. And isaac curtis and bob johnson and about trumping. Gosh essex johnson as good as any running back and we've ever had you know On the team until he hurt his knee in the playoff game against miami in seventy three. You know my roommate for years. Dave laughing tommy castano but i think the list goes on and on and you know to finally go back to that era and you know they recognize me but i hope that remember a lot of these guys i would. I would agree with that when when when memories come to mind of of your your finest moments your favorite teammates and just certain milepost of your career. What memories have have come to mind just over the last couple of days since you found out that you're gonna get dishonor while you know. I think it's you know surprise. You ask that question. Because i just got back in family reunion up in batavia illinois and my uncle gary. Who's like my older brother. Nancy moved from chicago to milwaukee into retirement apartment aunt. Nancy never threw away anything and as a family reunion. They gave me a large box of stuff. And i spent a week going through that. And not only newspaper articles from the seventies and on you know game tickets that kind of stuff so you know the take that week and got kind of go back and relive those memories and then of course then get the call from brown and elizabeth blackburn. That was special. You have played with or played for all three of the other ring of honor inductees. So the paul brown is. It's remarkable to me. This was said by your former teammate. Chris collins worth in the nfl network special. They did on on paul. I don't know five or six years ago that there's there's a george halas trophy. There's a vince lombardi trophy. There's a lamar hunt trophy. There's nothing in the national football league named after paul brown which is astounding to me when when you played and played quarterback for such a legendary figure. This is such an obvious question. But what was that like while you know you talk about being off someone when we come from batavia and all i in august and college and all the sudden fear sitting at riverfront stadium across paul at his desk and knowing what he met the national football league. You know the the great things. He did a cleveland. And you know if everybody's honest the way that the national football league operates today you know with the packer schedules with Having an off season. Paul round started all of that. I mean so. I mean here's kinda the the founder of modern day football and and just to be around him especially i guess my only wishlist. I wish i would have been around him when he was a little bit earlier when when it may have been more active in the game planning. But he's certainly commanded respect and you know they say the meeting starts at nine. The meeting started when paul walked in the office and He walked into five nine. And your seat then. You got fined for being late. Ken riley had sixty five interceptions as as an nfl. Defensive back which is tied for fifth. All-time if i added on top of that total the number of times he picked you off in practice. How many would he have one hundred and sixty five. Kenny was a great player. And i think you know. Kenny was all about team. And you know i think if you talked to collins worth if you talked to isaac curtis and you would be in training camp and kris told the story before that you know. He's a rookie going up against kenny. And then he would run a pass route and kennywood grab on the way back to the huddle and told him what he did. And what kennesaw. Make chris a better player. He would do that to media early in my career. He would pick up one in practice. And then come to you. Know kennedy your. I gave it away or this was much heavier shoulders the way it was turned. So you know he was all about team and all about winning and he made all of us better players In in one thousand nine hundred eighty anthony moon shows up. What do you remember about that. Well you know. I was over the hill back. Then my career wisconsin down. they drafted my replacement. Seventy nine with number one and all the sudden you know anthony comes in anchors the left side of the line and we got max where we got flare. Bush got lapham member got bush. Knock mike wilson. I became a good player again for relation to those guys. When the night you get inducted. September thirtieth they're also going to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of the one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Afc champions and there are so many for whom you say all right the eighty one afc champions. Maybe the super bowl itself comes to mind for most folks. It's the the freezer bowl that comes to mind outside of those two when when you think of that season what's the maybe the third thing that pops into your head after beating san diego fridge conditions and playing the san francisco forty niners while you know. I think the first playoff game against buffalo and you talk about a well played game by both teams that we want you know was the twenty eight twenty one but you know when i think about those days i think about the team. We had The players we had how good they were the players that we had how civically conscious they were. What a difference they made in the community and they were just a bunch of class guys. And i think that had a lot to do with the way. We want ken anderson class. Guy like me you can hear the rest of that conversation that espn fifteen. Thirty dot com at five twenty. We're gonna call. Japan kareem elga. Czar local photojournalist is in japan covering the olympics. I have questions. He'll answer them from japan where it is thirteen hour difference. It is five fifty three in the morning. he'll just beginning up. Also i like phil steele. He's gonna talk college football with us at five thirty five. And i've got to get to my poll question. I'm astounded by some of my coworkers. So i have a poll question that we have to get to and we will but i do any of that brennaman and jones baseball. What's up. i'm allegra. This is espn fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. It's friday at five. Oh five and Look this is the best hour of the week. In fifteen minutes. We're going to go to tokyo. Karim l. is a photo journalist. Cincinnati dot com. He's in tokyo covering the olympics. I just wanna call japan. That's it. I mean i. I wanna talk with kareem. Who's really good at his job and he's going to answer questions about what. It's like to be over there and covering the olympics and covering the olympics. The covert olympics. Which is you know. I hate to say that's what they are so we're going to call him. He's in japan. It's six six in the morning there. So i'm looking forward to talking with kareem from japan. And also my. My buddy fell steel phil steele dot com. His college football preview was outlived talking college football with him. He is very bullish on the bearcats. He is very bullish on the buckeyes. I think he's reasonably bullish on the kentucky. Wildcats bullish on miami too. So hey if you like any of those four schools and you want to hear somebody say nice things about your favorite team boom phil steele five. Thirty five looking forward to that nick. Castanos goes on the injured list. The wrist it's not it's not. It's not doing what we had all hoped it would do. And now essentially here's what's happening nicasio autos is gonna miss every game between now and the trade deadline and i started the show by talking about this. Get an crawl and bob castellini. All we want man right now. You are being fair if you've you the reds and take the emotion out of this which is admittedly really hard to do. You are being fair. If you're not exactly gung ho about the chances of the reds getting to the postseason based on acquiring one bullpen arm or making a trade for a bullpen arm. A starting pitcher based on where they are in relation to first place right now. This team's performance over these next seven games. Could maybe change your mind and could drastically shape but i think in many respects will drastically shape. What crawl crawling bob. Castellini do now you have to win these games when a bunch of them over the next seven without your best hitter bullpens mess. This is not impossible but the task just got more difficult. The homestand continues tonight. This homestand at this point. I you know. I came back from. I went to that series of milwaukee. Uh ready to go man. Let's go we're going to have a second half push to the postseason. This is going to be a blast. Brewers coming here. I mean you think about just the change in mood from where we were a week ago today to now a week ago. Today we were on the verge of the biggest home series. The reds had hosted since two thousand thirteen a measure of momentum for whatever that's worth because they had played so well against milwaukee on the road the weekend prior a chance to go into the final two weeks of july. Three three bag they cast. The honest is coming off an all star game. They're getting michael lorenzen back like there was a vibe at this time one week ago. Happy hour we're going into the weekend. Reds and brewers. Let's go a week later. Were sifting through the damage of a home. Stand that announcing. Nick castanos have to miss essentially the next five games and now the next seven at least michael lorenzen through wanting worth of pitches. He's on the injured list. Threads were swept by the team that are chasing. They lost two out of three to the mets. To those games against milwaukee they had multi- run leads and lost the first game against the mets. They scored eleven runs and had a four run lead and lost. The only saving grace has been the fact that the kansas city royals played competent baseball against milwaukee. And the brewers lost two straight at home to the royals which everybody in milwaukee was unconcerned about because of the the only good thing that's happened over the last week. The homestand has been a disaster. It continues tonight hopefully with a better ending than a beginning but whatever unfolds. This weekend is going to have to happen without any seven tonight. Seven ten tomorrow on seven hundred wwl w by the way. We have just really quickly here. I have just a pull back the curtain. Just a touch. Because i believe i believe in transparency and one of the great things about radio and i. I'm a radio lifer now. I've wanted to be on the radio since i was seven years old. I love this business. I love this industry and one of one of the main reasons. Why is i think it. It encourages a level of intimacy and openness that you don't get in other forms of media and so when when something is bothering me. I believe that it's appropriate to share and when something is happening that sort of is just affecting me emotionally to the point that it's maybe impacting me doing the job to the extent that i would like i feel compelled to talk about it. So just indulge me for a second here earlier. This week i was. I was asked by somebody on twitter. A question and i'm still not even completely sure. Like i have to jog my memory to a completely recapture the origins of this right. But i was asked by by somebody on twitter to rank beers and not like brands of beer. But but but beers i guy by the name of sean. Mccarthy tweeted me details the twentieth tuesday. What are your top five beers and he wrote airport beer more beer shower beer friday at three pm beer golf cart beer and i responded with mine. I said number one ballpark beer. Which i hope to be enjoying it about two hours number two beer on a bit number three airport beer which is just highly rated number four golf cart beard number five boating and then i said you know outside the top five no particular order pool beer lawnmower beer shower. Beer consumed moving vehicle. Legally beer tailgate beer. Just put key kid to bed beer. Beach beer and for my purposes consumed while on air at a remote. That's doing a show from like a place like twin peaks and have a beer. It's awesome so i sent the tweet out. I kind of forgot about it. I come to work today and on fridays. I do an hour with tony. Pike and he says to me. I've never had a lawnmower beer. But i'm like tony you understand. I'm not talking about like pour the beer and the gas tank and lawnmower and drink. Like i mean like you cut the grass and you've just gotten a done you've been out there working in your yard and you have a cold one. He's like no never done that he goes. I've never had an airport beer. I legitimately with the exception of a handful of times where. I've been painfully late to the plane as an adult. I've never gone to the airport and not had a beer. I've like fudged. I've told people. Like i can't go to that. I've got a plane to catch. Because i want to make sure i get there early enough that i could sit there for my plane. Have a beer to that. There's there is something. It's a little overpriced at the airport. But i can either sit there and stare at my phone at the gate and hope nobody sits next to me or i can drink and i prefer to drink. Tony's never done that and then he said to me that he is. He's never had a shower beer about our if you will and that's astounding to me like he's never gotten done doing something that's required some level of strenuous activity and then decided to take a hot shower and juxtaposed against the the cold. Feel of a beer. Not just in his hands but but going down his esophagus. He's never enjoyed that. So we talked about this on cincy three sixty today and i just sort of thought. Tony was a little bit weird like who shower beer. I'm not talking about. It's a tuesday morning and you've just gotten out of bed and it's like six forty five and you're getting nick. No nobody's saying you should do that. I'm talking about like again. You just got done cutting the grass or maybe you played softball and you want to go and get get washed up. You've been doing something outside with your kids and your all hot and sweaty. You're gonna take a shower but you're gonna have a cold. It's there's there's there's nothing better man or it could be like you know we're having a party. Somebody said this to me on twitter. And i agree with having a party people to come over. You're getting ready to. You're going to take a shower. The house is set to backyard. Set you ready to go. You know what i'm gonna do. I'm going to start the party with a beer in the shower. That is glorious experience. You like getting ready to go out with your buddies but you can take a shower and let's get the night started. I'm gonna crack open hidden. Show i'm not talking about a six pack in the shower. And i'm not talking about invite other people into the shower with you. Drink the beer. Ovo that does sound awesome depending on the company. I'm talking about you've had a long day or you've just done something. That's you've exerted some degree of of just energy or just wanna to sit and get away from everybody and so the showers the only place you can go and that's true for a lot of people and you go. You know what. I want to have a beer. Anybody who's done this would tell you there is. There are few things more relaxing than the hot water hitting you and you're doing what you do in the shower and you enjoy coal one. So the reason i bring this up is like i'm dealing with this sort of crisis. Tony has never done this. I get done with the show. Tony continues the show. I go down. I sit my little cubicle work area thing which ninety nine percent of the time people completely ignore me i. I am the kansas of this radio station. Like people only fly over kansas. Where i sit. It's just people just walk past. Ignore me and that's fine. I'm of no value to them. So whatever suddenly i'm sitting there i got another show to get ready for. Let's do it waiting for terron and i just. There was like a parade of people that i work with in radio which is supposed to be a fun profession with fun people you drink beer in the chandler the beer. You're going to have to explain that when now look okay so it's one thing if you like. I don't like beer. that's fine too. Plenty of them are just. I'm not a drinker. Fine to each their own. But like i like the grown men people have worked in this this business which is supposed to be. This is reasonable because we're not working at a bank where you can't talk about drinking beer in the shower. That's why we work in radio because we don't want to work at some like corporate. Stodgy put on a tie. And pretend that you've you've never even had a sip of alcohol type plays. This is the heart and soul of radio station in my experience as people who liked to party and yet i'm sitting there and one after the other like people are walking by who typically don't even know. My name barely acknowledged since you drink beer in the shower not every day not first thing in the morning but yeah i yes and there's something nice and relaxing about it and i'm not willing to keagan. I'm not rolling in a pack and just just firing back. I'm not sitting in the shower for five hours at a time. I'm not like being antisocial. Like you guys all go out. You know what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna just stand my shower drink. I'm not doing that like one beer. Maybe to let's be honest maybe three while you're enjoying a shower. It bothers me to no end. That i work with people for whom this concept is completely foreign and i think now. They're now looking down their noses any one dude. I'm not mentioning names. There's one guy comes out of his production room and it's like mine was blown. He's like it never occurred to me like we'll try this weekend. He's like what are you worried. Do drinks drinks made more. Everybody you know just tried this week. And maybe that's a good reason that he shouldn't be drinking beer in the show. I don't know so a poll question here at malaga on twitter. And i've asked this question. Have you ever drank beer while shower. Now look you're going to have folks or maybe they're not age right. We shouldn't be drinking beer in the shouldn't be drinking beer anywhere or hey. I don't drink beer mo- because i did make. Nsa like have you ever had a high noon while showering or Why claw one of those deals. So maybe somebody took a quite literally. I should've maybe expanded it but you might have people who like ammo booze alcohol. That's not my think. Fine awesome great so twenty four percent. Say no i'm going to guess. Most of the people who have responded to this are at least social casual beer drinkers twenty four percent. I've never done that. That's one thing. But i am now adrift almost aimlessly because there was something i thought i could count on here. And that's the fact that i worked at a place. Where if you said on the air. Yeah i'll occasionally have a beer in the shower that it wouldn't be met with derision. It wouldn't be met with scorn. Like i have a feeling. I might be called an hr. I this and then tearing shows up. And he's like you're going to have to explain this to me. And i'm like what is there to explain. What is there to outline for you in terms of beer guy which is fine. He's like well. Oh you take the hard stuff in the shower. No i'm not. I'm not porn a bourbon. Need showering i'm not. We're not rolling the rocks glasses and having a cocktail i'm just talking about. I'm going take like a ten minute shower. I'm gonna take a beer. i'm gonna take it in with me. I'm going to put it on top of the door and and just relax and have a couple of sips while the hot water. Hits me a shower supposed to be relaxing pleasing experience and uncertain occasions. I think it's appropriate to relax with something you enjoy and i enjoy a cold one and so terrence looking at me like i have two heads. I think he's gonna look for another host work with. I might get fired. I i just it bothers me. Taryn a we work at a place where now it's like you know like i'm going to show up all your the guy the drinks beer in the shower. There's knowing glances and now. I'm not sure i could do this anymore. Wonder if kareem elga. Czar is drinking japanese beer in his hotel room in tokyo. We will talk to him about covering the tokyo olympics. He is a local photo journalist with the enquirer who's covering the olympics for a usa. Today we're gonna call japan as much as i want to talk more about shower beers. We're going to call japan next for this is it's working. We have it. All right The tokyo olympics are underway. The opening ceremony was earlier today. Last night where karim l. czar is cream covers sports. He's a photo journalist. You see his work covering reds bengals. Uc's xavier fc cincinnati. You name it. He covers it obviously. He's he's also doing some work for usa today so he's in tokyo to cover the olympics. And if for no other reason. I just wanted to talk to somebody from tokyo kareem is with us. I appreciate it. I know it's almost like six thirty in the morning where you live wherever you are live there. Maybe not yet. You know where you are. I i. I just talked to me about the travel. Because i've omaha couple of years ago and it was like the worst experience of my life. And this is pre cova. D- what was it like traveling to japan. Well i mean traveling. Asia is a track. This is my second time traveling. As part of the world of about eight years ago. I sat with vietnam so first of all you know pandemic or not is roughly about twenty five hours of travel time and so prior to departure The japanese authorities required to kobe tests. one ninety six hours prior to departure and the second seventy two hours prior to departure and the kicker is they do not accept a rapid test so it had to be a pr test and most places in cincinnati. It takes about two to three days to get the results back. So you really have to thread that needle to in terms of timing. Also you have to plan you have to plan for your flight was delayed was the lady. I have to give yourself a little bit. Extra buffer time based on the last direct flight to tokyo so i traveled through atlanta. There was a lot of mats. It was a lot of. And frankly you know i did the first two tests and then i got a little paranoid and a little anxious and i did. A third test found a place that does stain day or twenty four hour. Turns on the pc are tests. There's a little bit pricey. But i i i had to fail. Go ahead so. I mean i'm just i'm thinking about all this and then on top of all the different sort of things you have to go through. I just traveling. Domestically is a pain in the neck. I i can't imagine traveling in the middle of all this to tokyo all carry a lot of equipment with me So i took several days of packing. And i have to get credits in my wife. Forgive me some time to you know. We have two little kids at home so she gave me some time to carve out like pack. My things That was that was the A lot of a lot of stress there to make sure i got all my equipment and then secondly traveling through the the documentation. I needed to get to tokyo. Not just the passport. Not just my boarding passes or anything like that. But i had to have the specific certificate of kobe. Testing forms filled out in a very particular precise away Make sure that dates forms or in the correct order. You know year month day Any kind of mishap on any of those forms and your whole trip can go haywire. really quick Not to mention all the other documents. I had to make a written pledge to make sure we're going to follow the rules And then why don't we get here. Well the first fourteen days we are not permitted to use rapid transit. We are not permitted to eat. At restaura- we are only permitted to eat at the venues or uber or we can go to seven eleven and the seven eleven here is not quite like a seven eleven in the state. They have some food options. So i've been here since wednesday. And i can tell you i'm done with the seven eleven mile. Good only a couple more weeks there you go. So you're you're in. You're in the bubble correct you're in the quote unquote bubble. So just i know. It's such a broad obvious question. But just what's what's that like. Have you first of all. Have you covered olympic games. Before i have not my first of all right so your first experience so it's not like you have something to compare it to but just what's it like being in the tokyo bubble It's honestly the hassle. I mean Because we're not allowed to use fan rapid transit so they have provided obviously media buses But the media the media bus schedule and the city of twenty million people you know it takes for example for me to get to the hotel to the main press center. Picks me an hour bus ride and it's not really that far. Okay and then go from here to the hotel or excuse me from from my hotel so to a media transport mall which is essentially a transport hub. And when i get there. I choose to take another bus to the media. Center thinks about fifteen minutes from the media transport mall or i can choose to take buses to venue and for example i have a four days a softball coverage coming up tomorrow and so today i was a little anxious about transport so i went on a field trip. I did some advance scout. It and i for me to get to the from my hotel to the baseball stadium. Which is roughly about twenty twenty five miles south of tokyo about two and a half outside. Wow so and then when. I got the stadium. You know get off. I get off the bus and the city to my right. But they're all directing me to my left. So i'm walking away from the stadium going through security and then i finally get into like the bubble area after i go through security where the photo work room. I introduced myself to the Deputy Venue managers speak to the deputy manager going over the rules and finally i make my way back toward the stadium. And i'm glad. I did that that scouting mission because if i had to go early tomorrow morning with no frame of reference no familiarity. I would be a wreck though for me. Essentially i left. My hotel was morning. At eight o'clock. I got the eighteen bus. I didn't get back to the media. Press center until about two thirty. And i didn't take it. I didn't really cover any games or anything the media contingent for a quote unquote normal olympics. I can't imagine what it is but you have people coming from from around the world are there are a lot of you are you. Do you feel a diminished media presence. Does it seem normal. What's what's that like. Like i said. I don't have a reference to reference to any previous olympics but it seems like the media contingent is in full force And but i will say you know one thing. I noticed about tokyo and i didn't. I've never been to before. For a city of twenty million people with all the industry in commerce and the big brands and toyota and panasonic. And you name it. The city quiet and i spoke to a colleague who has been associated with my normal or is this cova pandemic related. He's like absolutely not. This is pandemic related but quite streets are quiet. Streets are kinda less traffic than normal from what he said. And you know it kind of gives me an feeling. I of drive through some empty streets in the morning. I'm like this is a major major metropolitan city in the world and it just seems very quiet And you would think that would help for transportation but it is taking a while to get the venues for sure. I look forward to checking out. What what you have. I really appreciate this. I know you have a lot going on. I know these days are long and exhausting. So at the end of your day you carbon at some time for me means a lot Perhaps we can do it when you get back or near the end. 'cause i'm really fascinated by what you're doing out there. I'm fascinated by fascinated by asia. I'm fascinated by the olympics of fascinated by the olympics. During a pandemic i'm fascinated by the national mood over there up for these games and obviously your experience in the bubble so i will have a lot of questions. Hopefully you'll Be nice enough to answer for me when we get to the end of this man. Thanks so much absolutely my pleasure you anytime. You want me to come on any time. I'll give you an update. I'm happy to do. Oh don't do be careful what you ask for. Just just because i always willing to take advantage of people's generosity so i will do that. I'll bother you at some point over the next couple of weeks. Most most importantly be safe. Stay healthy and and we'll talk soon. Thanks so much thankful korean. It's fun to talk to him. He does awesome work. And i appreciate him coming on He is covering the tokyo olympics for usa today based in cincinnati and typically covering sports for cincinnati dot com. One of my absolute rights. Phil steele is going to preview the college football season next on espn cincinnati sports station. It's one of the rights of summer. And i've talked to phil steele on this show last nine years. I say this every single year. Because i do whatever year number one i go on vacation. I get phil steele's annual college football preview and i devour it is must reading. It's great for a weekend at the pool. If you're getting ready for the college football season and who isn't especially around here it is must reading. And then i get phil on and one of the first things i always ask him about. Is the amount of work in detail and thoroughness that has to go into putting together this publication. It's the only one to get and there's a lot out there. You could order it at phil steele dot com his 2021 college football preview it is in-depth and as comprehensive as anything. You're going to read previewing the college football season filling out you were. We were just talking off air. It's so much more fun to have this conversation. When we know that we're going to have a season we know what it's gonna look like there's going to be. Hopefully fewer interruptions hopefully no interruptions. This is an easier conversation to have in the one. We had a year ago last year. When i was doing the The radio show circuit. Everybody was pretty down thinking. We're not playing football and it was almost like well. We'll have phil on anyway even though we don't think we're playing football this year but we'll have on and this year i mean we. Everybody knows playing in the thing was more. If we put the magazine out last year they went and switched all the schedules on me. So we had to put the magazines on the website. People were printing them off. I got paid pictures of people that have a five hundred page magazine. 'cause they pasted in all the new schedules and you know what i want to ask you know. This is not just a preseason magazine. Don't use this magazine all the way through the bowl season practically right all year long. I mean as somebody who works on. Uc football broadcasts. It's an invaluable resource and it works all throughout the season. And here's my understanding because this is this is the first year that i've got an exclusively online. You can evolve the publication throughout the year correct. Yeah we are going to update all the way up through the start of the season all the changes. So you know like right now was announced to wake forest this morning Had lost two starters for the season while we're gonna do is on the magazine page on the digital version. We're gonna circle those players and you'll see at a glance that they're not available anymore. We'll also add in any transfers that have happened since we went to the press. We went to the press very late. We went june fifteenth. So we pretty much captured. All the transfers up june fifteenth. But we'll have all the updates in the digital version of the magazine as well. You and i were talking a year ago about the possibilities for the university of cincinnati and that was occurring against the backdrop of. We'll hopefully we have season and from a uc perspective. If we do this team has a chance to be very good to a large degree. They lived up to the hype. The hype is i think exceeded this year. We're talking about a team that has quite possibly going to be ranked in the top ten. You have them in your top ten. You have them winning the american athletic conference. I get the sense that you believe. The bearcats fickle team can live up to the height. I do and in fact. I'll say this small we've never had a group of five team Make the playoff in the fourteen playoff era which is going to end next year so You know if there's ever a chance for it to happen it would actually be this year and let me tell you why I talked to one hundred ten one hundred thirty head coaches as you're going over the teams with almost every head coach has fifteen sixteen. Seventeen returning starters. There all loaded veteran units but the four teams were in the playoffs last year. All have like nine ten eleven returning starters and all the lahser starting quarterback so if there's ever a year where the pack caught up to the big boys this would be it and with cincinnati. Here's the reason. I think they have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs this year and even a group of fives never made it. As you mentioned. I think cincinnati enters in the ap top ten and there were legitimate team. We saw that last year They not only went onto feeding him regular season. They lead georgia almost start to finish the peach bowl coming up three points short finish the year number eight in the country so start out in the top ten weeks three. They play indiana on the road. And if they can pull that upset and i've only got like three point underdog in the game so it'd be a minor upset. Pull that upset on the road. Maybe they move up to nine or eight then. Two weeks later. They played notre dame in south bend. Notre dame should be in the in the top ten at that point as well. Knockoff notre dame and tie in south bend and all of a sudden they move up to seven six then. They only need a couple of teams to lose in front of them. They'll have the pedigree they'll have the fact. They play georgia grading the beach. Paul and i think they have an actual shot at making the playoffs this year. Now take. It's gonna take an undefeated record. But i like the talent. Seven starters back on offense seven on defense and desmond. Ritter's quarterback who i think is is an nfl caliber. Quarterbacks started off last season a little rocky and then really came on down the stretch last year. Yeah i wanted wanted to talk about. Does you reference something. Continuity which which frankly is something with uc football. We're not that used to around here. Luke luke fickle is gonna go into your five at cincinnati. That's something that brian. Kelly didn't do it. Something that mark dantonio didn't do something. Butch jones didn't do heck those guys didn't get to year four and i said this at the end of last year when when announced he was gonna come back. What a luxury to have in college football regardless of level where you have the same coach quarterback and offensive coordinator that had been together for three years and more than thirty victories. I just. I'm intrigued by how that's going to translate into a better season for dez possibly a season that puts him on the tips of tongues of nfl. People as we talk about who may go in the first or second round but also more importantly here what it might mean for the team's success in two thousand twenty one. And i tell you what mo. There's a lot of coaches that i talked to. Where the first thing. They say about their quarterback and we talk about their struggles last year and they would say you know what he had. This was his third offense coordinator in three years or this was his third different offense in three years and that's why he struggled last year. So you hit right on the head. The continuity on offense is huge for cincinnati. And and like. I said i i remember started out last year. I i wasn't blown away by his first couple of games but he really got better down the stretch last year and became that quarterback that she thought he could end up. I'm really anxious to see what he does in. What is really a senior season. But he's actually still a junior. Believe it or not the other thing that i can't wait to watch unfold. Is the back end of this defense. And you rank position groups. You have the cincinnati secondary as the second best group and all the college football right behind alabama. Think about that for a second right. Go in depth on that for me when when you watch these guys critically expand upon that. What do you like most about this group. Well let's start with cornerback position and a lot of lot of teams have really good cornerbacks. And they're five ten five eleven since he's got really good quarterbacks. That are six to six one. And i'm a garner and kobe bryant. So those two right there are great start. The nickleback position is filled by W- veteran quarterback type of guy are kwan. Bush and then you go to the the safety position. Brian cook is a guy. Who's i think. He's an nfl caliber guy and E- maybe it'd be better james wiggins and that seeing them mouthful because came swigging so it was a heck of a safety. So you add all that together and you've got one of the best Pass defenses in the country and and it was a big part. I think of the way. Cincinnati steamrolled opponents. Last year is when you start to play catch football and you're trying to throw you're throwing into that secondary there is going to be a question about how the talent is deployed with a new defensive coordinator beyond that from a personnel standpoint. What is your what is your biggest question mark about this team. I would start out It then take it look Maybe at the offensive line They they have. They lose some key players from last year on the offensive line. Like a james hudson. The left tackle dairies harper at right. Tackle jacobi robinson got some starts in center. They'll be good but that would probably be one area that i don't have ranked him my top units in front of the magazine. Then the other one would be The running back position. Losing the guy like dokes Ritter was the number two Rusher last year. James ford is a very talented guy so as charles mclaughlin but it's not proven to be a so i think both the offensive line running back or have to prove it to me. All the other units rank in my top units in front of the magazine. The great phil steele phil steele dot com his twenty twenty one college. Football preview is out. You can get it. You can have it in seconds if you order it phil steele dot com veve in order to to live up to what everybody salivating over here. Which is a possible undefeated season and is really hard to accomplish. You gotta beat indiana on the road. You gotta beat notre dame on the road. This question is probably better answered on the eve of those games but as as we talk here in the middle of july if the bearcats are gonna go to bloomington and win and at the bearcats are going to go to south bend win. Where are there advantages over. Those two opponents at the bearcats take advantage of. Yeah and with the indiana game. I've got cincinnati number eighteen in my power. Paul i have indiana number. Nineteen so the two teams are almost dead. Even i think The quarterbacks even Michael is a guy that Is if he's in one hundred percent healthy dynamic quarterback but like i said i like i saw that dismembered or at the end of last year the running back cores are pretty close. I'd give a slight edge coming into the season with indiana The receiving core are close offensive. Line close Defensive line though. I've given the edge to cincinnati. I think they've got the better defensive front four But linebacking corps. I'm going to give a slight edge. Indiana they've got players like camp jones. Mike fan Marcilio about ball mccray has missed last year. But he's back and he is an nfl caliber. Guy so i like them. And the secondaries are close. I actually read indiana. My number seven secondary so. These teams are like mirror images of each other coming into the game. Indiana usually does not have a real intense homefield advantage. So i think that's a plus too short trip for cincinnati so add it all up. I think a good amount of bear fans will be there. Irate the game tossup it's remarkable read and a great resource all year. Long hillsdale dot com. Where you can go and order it. You can have it within seconds. I always appreciate the time. Hopefully we can catch up during the season. Phil thanks so much. Hey always a lot of fun. I always enjoy our conversations and a quick note to your listeners. Barnes and noble book similarly. And if you're shopping around for it are the exclusive vendors this year. So don't waste your gas money looking all over barnes and noble books a million but always enjoy chatting with you mayo. A lot of fun today talking football with you always enjoyed phil. Thanks so much. thank you. What are fills steals two thousand twenty one college football preview at phil steele dot com steel has an eaten at the end of it. Follow him on twitter at phil steele zero four two. We are done Back at it monday. Three oh five. We'll be counting down the moments to the first bengals training camp practice. Tony pike will join me every single hour starting monday. All throughout training kit three forty four forty five forty excited for that excited for the weekend. have a good one have a great weekend. Thanks to a turn for producing and thanks to you for listening. This is espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station eight. No staff is much.

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